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Grant Williams Interview: Celtics Growing Pains & Mentoring Rookies

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Grant Williams Interview: Celtics Growing Pains & Mentoring Rookies

"There's the birthday boy happy birthday thank you calling everybody twenty-two-year-old yeah I'm getting older I'm getting old I guess yeah there you go that's going to take it Jewel Legends in basketball analysis with over 70 years combined experience this is the bar Brian and Jeff Goodman podcast off some college little bit of everything you know what can I say but it wasn't going to happen here with him I was okay with it because it wasn't about talent I didn't think all right let's get right to it right now please do welcome into the Iranian government podcast none other than maybe the most social person I've ever met and that is Boston Celtics forward Grant Williams and first of all happy birthday Kang are twenty-two years young today yes I am I guess that's older than via turns but outside of that I'm feeling great yeah you never get drafted you know in twenty two and you'd have to beg and plead draft on hold down a twenty-two-year-old they made a big push that Obi toppin this year he was twenty-two that is crazy but oh my God I just thought about it thanks for telling me for one thanks for wishing me happy birthday but to I was twenty years I'm picking up my 22nd birthday. So I like that symmetry symmetry. All right. So what are the big plans? I mean birthdays right now Thanksgiving like all these holidays off so different you're in Boston you're working out before you guys start Camp up here in a few weeks. What do you do for your 22nd birthday these days Grant? Honestly, I'm probably just going to help pay to move in. I saw went down to the package room and realized that everything in the room was Peyton Pritchard name? And you know, I was like I gave him given I gave him a call back. I was like, yeah, let me just help you with all this cuz I'm guessing moving in today. So being able to be there for a friend is always good so probably do that and then we have a team meeting tonight on Zoom. So I got a pretty full Birthday and even know that's not much Grant moving Peyton in carrying boxes in is not exactly how I bet you anticipated spending your 22nd birthday this year. Hey exciting time. Let's just say that we're we're it's a unique situation. Normally I'd be probably be going to dinner or something like that. But something that I'll probably I'll FaceTime my family. That's that's another thing FaceTime family opened up the gifts that they mailed and then that's about it. And if you have any prior relationship with Peyton you or going back, he's a West Coast guy. I did it in actually, but we both are dead. We both enjoy the same like board games and card games hanging out. So when he first got drafted the first day he was here we play Catan together which was connection from Tennessee as well as he played at Oregon and then a quick 20-second timeout here. You jumped the gun here. I was going to ask you if you had any relationship the music cuz I know with you now, it's rather important Yeah. So basically I know we're very much nerds. I feel like Aaron's more than music music person. So are not connected that way and then paying our board board games. So like when Carson Carson and off each other from USA team and they were they were originally about to hang out. We were like, hey, let's all just do it in the group and we hung out together played cards that got food and kind of just talked with a game about the next how the season will go and whether it's like being a rookie get a little pointers and there's some great guys. So I'm excited to see what they have moving for inspection from training camp come around the corner table. How excited are you to find another Board Game Nerd that can play Catan. I mean this is big for you you listen, this is big time. So actually we taught Erin how to play he was willing to learn probably going to teach taco and Carson and a couple of others. So we actually might have a new and improved roster. Let's just say when it comes to Catan. Is there any Trash Talk possibility Brewing back to you and Aaron? Oh, absolutely. I definitely trashed often when the first day you got here. We were rolling around everyone didn't realize that. Yeah, they didn't know that that game was against Arabs. Like I said, that's why on Twitter the first I think someone tweeted at me saying take care of Aaron yadda, Tennessee fam yada yada and I'll make sure to all 43 points of it as a chef and I'm a tease her about all the time. He's like, well you guys know if one that one and I'm just like hey we we did we living room or in the country. So what do you think now that we got you talking about him for a minute. I mean you saw his freshman year man in this past year. I only played about half the season but man, he shoot the hell out of it. Yeah. He's he has a rag see what they say nowadays. I guess he can shoot the piss out the ball shoots with the scenes about the seam. You can throw it to him is feeding probably kick it in. So I'm excited to see how much that helps us as a team. Game because I guess that's something that guys thought felt that we were lacking last season and being able to have that threat from the outside the lethal threat the way he is especially move off movement off of his as he self-proclaimed best shooter in the draft. So I'm I'm with it. Listen. I'm not arguing with that. I said the same thing listen when you shoot 52% from 3 or whatever he did even in 14-15 games have to do eleven attempts wasn't like it was like 6 or 3 attempts of game who was right was up there. So I'm excited to actually see him in action. We're not allowed to do much as a group right now, but seeing him just dead spot shooting and shooting off the move and stuff that he's doing his work house. I'm been super impressed with him and Peyton so far how you show him tape. You should show him tape Grant of your early-season three-point stroke from when you started out last year old four twenty-five. I don't think that he would want to take pointers on that think that's something you could show them not to do something like that. But how do you feel about yourself now as you age? Kind of anticipated my question having gotten beyond that having done what you did afterwards. I mean, you know how she look forward to this season then how you can implement the 3-point shot into your game. I'm excited. I feel like after I made my first three I think kind of just a pressure came off and then show what type of shooter I actually was linked towards the end. It's going after I bought my first one I shopping 40% and 39% from there moving forward and then 50 something in the playoffs. So I just hope to continue to improve and continue to not only just improve my consistency of my shots also the volume because I feel like a shot one or two a game maybe last year and being able to not only knock down to take a look of a more. We'll hopefully expand not only the office for Jason and those guys but also gives them a chance to crack this rotation and and be one of those vital key guys. What is the biggest adjustment for you last year now looking back on it? How many year to kind of look back coming from college where you absolutely dominated most of the game, you know where you dominated was inside fifteen feet though. What was the biggest adjustment for you by the biggest adjustment that not many people really realize is going from a person that has the ball in their hands all the time to then off happened at a spur-of-the-moment be able to perform and that's something that I was never really used to I remember back in high school. I had done it before but back then I was kind of it was comfortable because something had done before even even when I did have the ball my hands. I was still creative and made plays but going to just shoot just shoot threes was definitely difficult at at at the beginning and I suck being more becoming more comfortable and actually understanding my role within the offense knowledge's motion and understanding what the the team would need. I feel like that's something that's huge as well as the speeds part of the game. Defensively Outback, I would step behind and began the year and that's something that really worked on throughout the entire season one for my coach Brandon Bailey and I had to give him a lot of credit because I improved and not only my numbers but also just I feel like as a player ask you an awful lot out of you defensively since you've been going everybody from Postman to you know, that guy knows what I mean, but you really have to Garden a range of people already in your rookie year. It's just the way it's going to be forever then tell you this or do you think this or what I mean that you're going to be this kind of a queen on the chessboard but off? Yeah, I feel like I'm just a Swiss army knife from a guy that you could throw in anywhere and he should be okay put me on the point guard. I feel like I'll be able to defend put me on a center. I should be able to hold my own something that I guess I have to make a mark up my whole career. There's not many guys has been the league that can really say they can do that and I feel like I proven that I can do it at spurts but being to do that consistently if something change If you can expand on well, not only hopefully keep you in the league but also do a good job of helping you perform and and be able to be a key vital player. So I think that's something that they may need. They may ask me to them here for whatever the coach needs or or wants. So honestly if they if they choose to and say hey gargoyle and be then go guard Ben Simmons and go guard that Curry. I guess I could do it all you're not complaining you never do. I mean that's you can't right. I mean you do whatever they ask you to do. We have Brad on the on the podcast last week and I'm kind of made fun of them to some degree over the fact that he would let Bob shoot threes. If Bob was on the team, I mean everybody has the green light. How how is it to play for a guy like that off because not every coach is that way? Oh for sure. He encourages you to help the team by not only making those shots because when you make them it creates not only spacing birth. Other guys to do what they really are really good at and it also allows you to stick on the court because you Can Knockdown open 3 even a contestant 3 and it's hard to do in this league the line little bit further and change something that you can set and make your mark in your career. So it's encouraging to have a person who encouraged you and try to support you and and keeps you keeps your head up no matter what's going through. I remember my whole do twenty-five strong said you're better shooting this, you know, it just keeps shooting and it went oh they fall next. You know, when I made my first one I just continued on that track. There's some guys would have said hey, you know what done like wage at over 22, they might have been like, hey Grant, you know what this isn't helping us like no worries for a while. He was the opposite. He was the opposite he was encouraging you to shoot more actually and that's something that I always be thankful for that. I was going to be Zaza Zaza pachulia went when you were recruited a little research coach Barnes said that he saw a PJ Tucker in Union. They did that mean birth. You at that moment beat us. I mean anything you now I left easy as a player. His game has competitiveness is like he's a dog. He's a tough person and something back then where I kind of suck as an edge thing because you know being in North Carolina, you're always like hey you see me as Peter Tucker. I'm going to be better than them. And that's something that I saw cuz Barnes all the time and something that you can look at PJ Tucker in the in the league. He's made a name for himself because of his defensive presence because of his Corner three-point stroke and being able to be a guy who can do the same thing now as talking about guard the guy like jolt and go guard Steph Curry or go guard whoever else. So I'm a tremendous respect for him. He's the OG honestly because he's what Thirty I think 36 now thirty-five maybe and to look up to him as well as the guy like Draymond those guys. Those are the guys who made it possible for me to be here. So thankful for a guy like PJ and honestly looking back then and now I just got home. Hey, that is definitely something that I'm thankful because Mart's can the Guinness Book of World Records. Give 2020 world's greatest delay a game. Even though Sports had a break your business. Didn't you have to keep moving and that makes hiring more important than ever indeed is here to help indeed.com is the number one job site in the world because indeed get you the best people and they do it fast off unlike other sites indeed gives you full control and payment flexibility over your hiring you only pay for what you need. You can pause your account at any time and there are no long-term contracts plus indeed provides powerful tools to make your search that much easier like sponsored jobs, which are showing to be three and half times more likely to result in a home with 73% of online job Seekers visiting indeed. Each month indeed is going to get you the most important hire you need just like they have for over 3 million. Businesses. 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So like that's not a bad University and actually, you know, I thought that was probably the one but I remember they told me my freshman year that I was too small and then my junior they tried to recruit me again, and it was way to wage like because it was like I was probably there with option not even eight probably 20th options. So looking back on I was like dang it would have been nice to go to a home state school and stuff like that play for a dog. But but like I made the right choice, you know, I feel like we were right who else was with for you. It was Tennessee Yale Princeton Harvard and Richmond off my V. I didn't have Tennessee with my loan high-major offer outside of Boston College with just went Owen 16 or oh and eighteen with whatever it was the previous year, which he's not at not a spot, you know that I would be able to play that's something that would be it would be Karen Bowman in Jerome's it out of in a great. Yeah. Yeah, we want some games, but I feel like the Tennessee decision was the one I made. Yeah, I mean Bob part of the the way the grant ended up in Tennessee was he's from Charlotte and assist in Des Oliver who's now at Tennessee at that point was it surely got hired by Rick Barnes and Dez basically convinced Rick Wright Grant early on I don't think they knew who I was or what type of player I was going to be dead. They really have faith that I was going to end up doing what I was doing and I feel like they were just they were a little bit more sad about a guy named Jalen Johnson my class and John Ferguson who were both phenomenal players, they use a week now and poke is killer crushing instead of C. So, I was kind of like that back in when I was like trust me coach Oliver said put your trust in me and and this guy will perform and I don't think they made a mistake. They did not so so you'd like to talk. We know that we we've had several conversations Bob in the locker room pre-game. We're we're talking and literally the the PO box has got to tell me to like get out and I'm like listen Grant said I'm looking like him not me, but give me a moment last year when you're off liking to talk got you in trouble with the staff with Brad was there ever a moment where Brad was like Hey Grant, you know what like shut up. That was definitely a moment. I'll say I'll say one of the two the first I'll give you a hint about it was I definitely try to speak up in that whatever meeting we had or whatever. It was a game to the Eastern Conference Finals. Definitely told shut the fuk up then before then I got told to be quiet cuz I kept trying to like explain how it worked like how this team play and stuff like that and they're like you just got here like how do you know how this team is going to play or how this player does this and obviously I just try to help I'm sorry. So I definitely got a got a couple of shut UPS Tysons told me shut up a couple of times just because I'll be on the court trying to call someone else's play and he's like just let the plane happen. We kind of we kind of know what's coming, but you don't have to call it out with coming and like there's a clip of me in Eastern Conference Finals screaming at Dunkin Robert. Duncan Robinson. Duncan Robinson for play, and I was dead. Yeah, those those are points where you're like, okay Grant. Sometimes you talk a lot. I love it. I love it Grant. I think everybody loves it. You you you take the locker room to a different level. I mean that I mean that in a great way like you loosen it up you have fun and you weren't there the year before but that locker-room the last couple of years before you got there, and I'm not putting off on you, but I think you and taco certainly help. Kemba is Campbell. He's not the most vocal guy in the world as you know from a living with him, but but Kim is just always smiling always like you're right. She can't but without a smile on his face. So I think the three of you took the locker room to a completely different level, and I think really helped the the chemistry of the team to baptist, so thank you. That's my hopefully, let's keep that up and have a great year moving forward. You still listen to Coltrane before a game? Oh, yeah, I listen to new edition. I was it everybody. I'm I'm a culture and Coltrane is probably for my grandfather. Actually. He just sent me home with home. Where is it? It's my gifts my bag. I'll be right back. You sent me home with here we go. Some sheet music culture and best one of his best Giant Steps. I know that's your old standby. Yes. Exactly. So he sent me to send it back and said give it a taco cuz I know Taco wants to learn how to play and yeah, so he send me back with giant steps and he says you could sing too along to him. I'm not about to sing with you guys, but birth birthday, so I'll I'll feel inclined. All right back with you off the hook. Brian McKnight's Moody's Mood for Love. That's another issue. So those are the two that I have here with my little keyboards is signed me and hopefully I can learn how to play both of these to a high level by dinnertime. You mean by right home but their time maybe not but I hope hopefully by breakfast maybe okay, that's fair enough. I hold you to that comes right hold you to that. You want Taco still doing your podcast. You can do nothing this. Yep. Yes, that's the plan. So right now we're actually in the process of basically against negotiation. So like we're seeing how it goes covid-19 kind of shut a lot of stuff down but we're definitely excited trying to try we actually have a lot of equipment now, so we're going to be hopefully get it wrong stepping it up rice which on-court skill of any of your teammates Dazzle Duty ghosts and on-court skill that dazzled me the most others other than teice blocking shots without looking at them. That's something that gets me every time or he'd like turns have just jumps and it would like for some reason get the ball, but I feel like just Jason's flow to his game like he has a nice Pace where you kind of just kind of took it looks like he's dancing on the court and it's like boom boom buying back behind the back next to you know, he's off to the side a little slick side step and the three is up or even just jealous athleticism dead. Kemba's boss kills another thing like something where I guess maybe it's a vantage being lower to the ground. I I kind of give them to that immature might have a little hitch where they can be like hesitate and come off. But the way the heat is he'll come down have the ball in the ground. On a dime and he'll close out and you almost fall and he'll go bye-bye. So those those three are exactly the ones and then I miss Gordon because of his ability to now and just see the cord and just build a game. He's he's one of those guys where like, he made most deceptively athletic but the same time it looked like he was just kind of playing a game and I find those four definitely have each where something's at Meijer. Okay, which opponent made you go? Oh my God. Which opponent when I played a in the first time he had he brought definitely schooled me a couple couple of ways. Khris Middleton was the first guy to save that messed me up at the next game. I thought I did well against him but Chris Mills him for sure and then LeBron LeBron because LeBron and next you know, he made a pass white LeBron. That's a guy in La. Yes that some guy no way. I don't know. Yeah so next to you know, where he's in a quarter and he made a pass at Kyle kuzma. I remember it to this day where he was getting double-teamed cuz he just spent on the Baseline there. They got the base. I was right to his side. He made a right-handed like footpaths across the court at full pace and not directly in his pocket and I was like, okay that's how you know, his ability is just there. I would not I don't know if anyone else can make that past with the distress that was there as well as the amount of time on a clock like Club. One of your like oh my goodness. Those are probably the three outs say say have me like on a wow moments and one more question for me. For sure for the record. How tall are you home for the record? I am six six in my opinion people can say six seven do two shoes. But six six is the is the height that I would probably go with just because it's the honest height just keeping that in mind people when they put them up the guard Joel embiid. Yes and which they do I've got I've got it down everything from six 3 to like six eight. I'm like, where is this Heist coming from but for you? All right, so we got the height. I want to know the verts good. What's the verb the vert beer? You know, it's a smooth smooth 52. That's something that I jump out to gyms where people tell me God. Oh, no, I got compared to Jordan ones that Sky across there but since I haven't I haven't done vertical in forever, but let's just say it's not as high as you may think but I definitely blocked shots so it works out that's that's I just say let's just let's go with that. Yeah standing reach you got you here long will give you any will give me links. Yeah, we'll give me will give me links and ability to change the shot. No doubt. No doubt. All right, let's go a couple of things. Let's start with Gordon. Let's start with Gordon and and how much his loss will affect this team going forward and how how long will well Gordon's a great person even better player and we're definitely miss him as in terms of karate. He brings brings nice little off-beat personality where it's like he's not super talkative, but he's not quiet and then you respect what he says. He's like deep voice and so we'll definitely miss that we're definitely off. Place values a guy that led the second unit. He was a guy even the first, you know, when he was when he was going. So we're going to miss him but I think that it creates opportunities for a lot of guys on his team to walk step up and perform and show I guess what they what they can and and and open up opportunities for myself Romeo the new new guys as well as bearing Nesmith and those guys and maybe expand Smith a little bit as well. So I think we're in a good spot. I think that will miss him at the same time. I think that we have the ability to step up in this place. You give me the Charlotte spots already. I gave him a text him his whole paragraph of like you need anything whether it's like a schools for the adult life for kids sneak. I know schools there. I know places that you want to go or places you want to eat, you know, gorgeous spots tried just like a little he texted me a little thing and I was like, okay, I love I love G. I'll give him a call probably when he gets out there and settled and give them a couple more recommendations, but I probably sent a longer list than probably need it. Let's just say that yeah, no surprise. Kemba let's move onto Campbell you you were with him a lot before the bubble, right? You guys live together? Yeah. We we stay to hit stay with him for like three three months. Yeah, first of all before we get onto Campbell in the health issues, which I want to ask you about like, okay, what was that? Like because Campbell doesn't say much like I don't know. I don't say much when I'm relaxed. So like when I'm in my typically like you can ask anyone when I'm in my apartment or when I'm just obviously busy. I'm a different person. I'm social and social settings and then when I'm I'm pretty much entered when I'm on my home and I worked out really well because like every now and again we come down Main pehle video games May sit down play Trouble cards or whatever and then outside of that. We're kind of just kind of living life and do our own thing. So long is one of my close close friends. I'm team closest friends on the team and definitely one of the guys I'm thankful for my OG elite-level person elite-level person Kim all wage. Has been I've known him since he was in a ball. How healthy was in the bubble last year. Could you tell did you talk to him about it? Obviously right now we talked to Brad last week in he pretty much said without saying it that he's probably not going to be ready or he doesn't think he's going to be ready maybe for the start of the season. So how hard is this watching Kemba in the bubble not being probably a hundred percent in same thing kind of getting over this this knee issue. Honestly, it shows his heart. It shows like for all the fans that were crushing them and stuff like that. Like I just never really understand that because for one that I'm a personal choice for 2 to have a player that he pees has shown that he has be he stepped up in games and we do too but you definitely can can like ask Brad was basically saying like you can definitely tell him a missed a couple couple a little break time, but I know that he's a fighter. I know he's going to get back to who he is and she'll she'll approve the world of why he was considered one top point guards in the league. If not like arguably one of the top dog. Three or four so I'm just super super stoked for him and hit his process and excited to have him back. But I know that when we're in a bubble like a step up around him and it wasn't wasn't just it wasn't Campbell's fall. It wasn't anybody's fault one individually. Like we had got guys were banged up Gordon at his ankle thing, but that can't discredit the Miami team. They did beat us and they're dead talented group of young players. So I'm excited to see how this this legal move moving forward NFL football continues on this week, which has a few surprise teams at the top of the standings. You might not get a game this year, but you could still be in on the action at BetOnline no matter how schedules change or players that play bet online is going the extra mile to make sure that you can get in at every game this season with the fastest updated odds in the industry. They're always more options to wager than anywhere else on BetOnline had a bad online online today and take advantage of all the great mid-song. Bonuses offers and contests been online your online Sportsbook experts. I got to ask you about another teammate on the court where you're prepared for Marcus Smart home. I don't know if they was very smart. I tried to get through the rookies the best description of how smart is and and his personality and let's just say that I love smart. He's I think he's one of the home of those good guys that definitely has like a little bit of a edge less than say a little bit of edge good guy for that must a little bit little Edge. I said, he got have opponents thinking worth every second Encore, right? You know, I think it would have that effect on people. I feel like as a quarterback. So when you snapped the ball and you know, you can't go to a certain guy became covered by like the elite quarterback or League D be in your like. Yeah. I'm just not able to look that way. That's how it is a smart. You kind of just like whoever sees on like, let's just go away from that person like he might be the best player in the world wage. You might be put somebody that may be the number one player on earth and next thing, you know, you're like I still might take Smart in that batch up. So I'll pass it off to the second-best undertaking jobs. So definitely definitely huge smart fan. Go ahead. I'm just going to say I always say to people he leads the league in one category will never be taught and that is most often value passes intended for seven foot Greeks intercepted years ago. Very true. My favorite player here that he needs something in that category. Yeah, I can agree. So your your locker your locker is next to Tatum's which I find kind of funny because again Tatum is chill all the time Super Bowl. What do you get out of about? Like? Whoa, what can you get on on Jason about now that you cuz I know you do. I know there's something that you go out and make fun of them and get them going. What is it? Oh for sure. I have a lot of things with Jason like that's my guy like I've known him for a while. He's best friends with one of my best friends in the past. And that became help this become close when we got to the teeth. So definitely one of those where it's like I can just I can annoy him quick if I felt like it I could like learn how to talk. Like there's things I'll do like I remember this one time where we're in the bubble how long kept towels when we can test them and not many. I feel like there's not many guys who want to do that. But with me I was just doing it he'd say he told you he said tell Grant shut the Avante what pulled me over to them. You want to tell me? Oh, yeah, you know not going to set up so definitely definitely my dude. I think they put me next. So for that reason, uh, because we just goof off and he knows that everything got to talk to him about his coming from the heart and genuine. So and I'm hopefully hopefully I can be uncle off. Grant the little dudes, but I don't know from there. Yeah. I don't know if I'm close enough for that. You gotta go a little little longer little longer pick up a long process to get there. But you know, like we're we're you gotta find out all she gotta do is find out like what is Deus like the candy whatever it is. That's how you gotta do it. I mean this isn't that hard right? It's to write so or three, I think it's 3 now, now yeah, so one more guy who got to ask you about because she's an interesting person as well. And that is Jaylen Brown and and we even start with the with social activism with start with that and with how he's inspired him or or you know, kind of led the way on your ballclub. Yeah, JB's a phenomenal mind. He's a person that challenges. I can kind of feel like everything that's established and and it's something that you kind of respect about him because it's the truth like some things that have been around and you may not have think even thought about once and next. You know, you should start deep deeply thinking because you're around JB you're like wow, like he's a creative creative person and no wonder he's so intelligent. No wonder he picks up information so well and something that I definitely respect about him and his activism. He's a person that stands up and isn't afraid of how it affects him. It's bigger than him and I think that's a tremendous credit to now how it was raised but also the humor that comes with it and let's just say JB's one of those guys where you kind of just hates always been open about his his knowledge just mental side of knowledge of mental health and I'm kind of have a full-on respect for him as a player and I think he has that respect across the league. Is there anybody you haven't gotten along with Grant like I know on the court you've had your issues obviously with guys cuz how you play but again, like once people get to know you it's hard for people. Have you ever like literally had it out with somebody? I don't think so. I think I feel like at times guys can hate me at first because they have to get used to me. Like I feel like tight when I first got to home team. I've always felt like Tyson just hated me. It didn't didn't enjoy having me around and stuff like that. And I said look Tice you're going to get to a poet you're saying that's just Grand and you're going to be like, that's the person like my mom always had saying where will you still love me? If I was upside down in the corner with my dress like in like didn't didn't even like I was like crazy or whatever. I say. Yes mam. I'm still Levi. So like that's kind of how it kind of disturbs not myself. I'm not upside down to dress, but I'm definitely the person where it's like eventually like that's my that's just grant. He's like a nerd. He's a good dude. Like he means he means well, like don't take him. So take him. Don't take him to log. Partially Grant Bob. How about this one? This is unbelievable. Anytime anybody asks Grant at Tennessee to go to a game could have been a soccer lacrosse. You name it, whatever it was if he could he'd go even last year. He told me he wanted to go my daughter played like freshman JV volleyball like wage is an athlete at all and grants like tell me when she's playing. I'm going to get there. No, it never happened. But it it was a little bit difficult. But are you still doing that? I mean, you can't write down obviously with Kobe. But like did you do that? Even when you got to Boston a little bit I really what I asked them to Boston a little bit. I went to a Harvard a couple of Harvard games. I went to a couple high school games around the area but due to covet and everything that kind of kind of shut everything down, but I still do it like I feel the same like I kind of feel like support us is needed. Not only just log Life but with everything so I feel like it's like it's a huge part of part of everything that's going on and being able to be in tied into the community also show that you actually cared like if something that guys can can say they do but being involved in being a person that puts that that foot forward is something I always try to commit myself on when you and you're looking innocent life. Honestly your first training camp you loaded with questions. I would think right and so tell me as you enter your to how differently you feel and you know what it's done for your car. Everything else going knowing with you've got this one year under your belt. Hey, you definitely are a little bit more confident, you know what to expect then you're this doing against new guys. So training camps going to be exciting because last season it was me go. I was excited because I was like my dad see with innocence like like in this cancer is like a like a tremendous offensive rebounder. Just went to the West Conference Finals. Well, seeing j t and those guys and action and log Outside go I could see what Tristan Thompson and NBA champion and another phenomenal rebounder and and all the guys that I know as well as a deputy who's an All-Star Game of Quake Dynamic athletic point guard and just the rookies as well. I put on playing one-on-one with those guys when I when they first got here like seeing how talented they were and and beside it's just like you're more concrete stepping into it, you know the system you're not worried about having all these different things. You have a place to stay. So it's definitely more so a little bit of comfort towards it and you kind of just got approached it and and hopefully you'll improve as time goes on. What's it like right now? I mean again take me through since the season ended. Even how much time you you shut down or did you even really, you know, take off much time you guys had a lot of time off. Yeah, you might be better. I took like four days three days, maybe but then I just got right back to it. Just now. I just work it out, but basketball you suck in that time. You've had to find where you could go and honestly now it's more so like we're getting used to this regulations of the league of individuals or first couple of days due to Thanksgiving and guys travelling back and make sure everyone's negative testing wise, but once we're able to start doing team stuff and we can have access to our facility and then it's full-on run and we playing think about it. We play and 14 days off of 13 days or less than that. So crazy to be prepared for that within the next two weeks. It's it's not really playing any quote bad team. We're playing Philadelphia. Yep. So we're starting off out the gate planning us two of the top teams in the league. So it's definitely going to be interesting to see how these these next couple weeks ago. Yeah, you're going to have a lot of trouble memory your homework assignments going to be memorizing the 60,000 word memo the league sent out about the code for protocol course. Yeah. See it's going to come to you. I know mm. Okay, go ahead. What's on page? Forty-two? I said this I said I can be in charge of certain things like parts of it, but like don't you know the full sheet I leave that Mike zarren in those guys. They can take they can take care of all that and will condense it. Is there enough there. We'll get it down. There will make make it a spread sheet or or PowerPoint. Very true. Very true. He'll off and then he'll then he'll write the league with what he thinks. That should be right. What should prove actually no doubt. No doubt. All right. So you're Tennessee Vols we have to get on before we moved. We wrap this soon. I got him ranked twentieth in the preseason. Everybody's killing me every is like what 20th? They should be 10:00, I no. Listen. I know I've heard how good for me Kimmy English. Johnson. Jaden Springer are no they get your boy full key back Yves pons back, you know, hopefully Josiah has a better better sophomore season. He takes a jump off. What do you think of his team? Have you seen these guys? Have you had a chance watched him? I watched them practice and they're talented. They were probably one of the more talented teams. They've had a Tennessee we've had so far and the reminds me of old kind of that team that one sec championship cuz we had they had a lot of dynamic guards in that team. But I feel like you kind of just look at the different. We had a couple MBA guys well as prose and they're going to have the exact same and as well as their forty who was who was probably going to get I hope he gets f c player the year. I think he's out our has a candidate for it and then we have poke on our team. So I always kind of compare the roster. But I think they're going to be really really good 20th. I feel like I can understand why you did that cuz of their youth as well as the the better and Leadership of folky and Eve like they have to step up and do their Thursday from on a consistent level because both he was on the back half of the year. So I'm excited to see what they they perform cuz I think that that twenty will change like eight very sick like really quick game played, you know, they they got so they've been shut down so but I had a lower than most, you know, a lot of people have them in that 10 10 15 range. It's so hard. I mean your ranking teams on pay-per-view. I think that they have the talent to compete with anyone in the country. I think that the coaching was there so there they'll be able to be in any game defensively they're going to be a lot more dynamic because of the amount of Faith different ways. They can play they have the all the guards that can play as well as bulky who can now who can probably switch and defend as well and then e who can do what he does and as well as the grad transfer in each month The new other transfer Victor Bailey who I've heard a lot of good things about and I think that they're just going to have a lot of Edge on a lot of a lot of teams because they're not they're not as deep as we are often and in college that's huge because you can get away with having a non-shooter on the core and non this Stat or whatever. But to to lose depth is is hard when you play Five Guys or six guys at a top-level team like you they wear out over the course of the game versus you have eight or nine. Like remember we play Gonzaga the last year we were both pretty deep team. So it was a very competitive game same with those Kentucky Auburn life. Like you look at the crossroads teams, no matter if they were Pros or not. They were deep all the way down like the nightman tenth man. So I think that's what's going to separate Tennessee. I think they can really crack that top 10 sooner than you may think. Oh, I noticed you were very quick to congratulate those Richmond Spiders for their victory over the wild. It's a little love. Love to Mooney left to notice that tweet. Yeah. Yep. Congrats to Richmond. My dad my dad posted the photo of my visit to Richmond because money was there was my recruiter and everything like that. So I was retweeted bird and retweeted the wind but I'll also retweeted. We gotta give a little bit of credit to the the post box and see he was talking about how Kentucky all young so they always lose in the began a year-long. Yes and then win but it feels a little good hypnotic. Very good. Yeah, it feels a little bit of being in Tennessee guys being able to say that, you know Richmond kick me, but but I'm sure you'll get upset when Kentucky loses not at all. But I have a friend on there now. So Terrence Clarke, I gotta give them a little bit of love in his right a little a lot right out of his that's one of his guys so long Terraces good dude, as well as Olivier SARS friends of Eva, Tennessee. So I've got show a lot of supports those two guys, but outside of that still want to keep talking about the same thing on Kentucky even log Year and a lot in the past is they've got all these athletic dudes who can really play. They haven't had a ton of like elite-level Shooters. Yeah, that's something they'll always be a crush for them because they have the ability to pound you on the glass and ability to defend stuff like that. But you're dealing with a lot of one-and-done. So typically you're going to have to you can't really get still that over for you. You you don't still month or two or three years like you would still your philosophies and stuff like that having someone buy into defense and rebounding officer rebounding it's difficult like to for anyone especially if they're coming to be one of the top 50 recruits ins and Out in the Country. So I think coach cloud is a great job of getting those guys towards special towards the end of the year of understand the importance and an understanding about it definitely has a learning curve and I think that's what the A Team Irishman can take advantage of elite-level or talented mid-major that has depth and experience and that's that showed and I think that's where a little bit of that's why I said 10 a.m. Can I understand what you have a little bit lower than most because yes, they have the talent for it. But that's around they are young. They're going to you're going to have Josiah and like even poker and quote the two leaders but life is ten he's old but he always with the team and then so you kind of have to understand the whole there's going to be a learning curve which is a matter of how quick they get out of it how they respond and I think that cow with bars and everyone do a great job of it. So I'm excited to see I wish I could have seen that Gonzaga Tennessee game that would have been that would have been a lot of town that I court. But hey, hopefully we get in future. Hey, give me your best friends prank while I've got you on other than the popcorn while I was running on the treadmill. I feel that story's been told millions of times, but he definitely pranks guys like remember what we were in and on our overseas trip in Barcelona or Cambro on the water. We had these water guns, like little water guns and crossbars would just squirm one of our was read or somebody within our program. He would describe him this back of shirt and then ducked out and then I do keep doing stuff like that. So then guys we we kind of goofed off the coast bars. So Jordan about it myself a couple of other guys, we started squirting coach. So he says, you know what? I'm just not going to get y'all back right now. I get you all back later and like his whole like deal so Jordan down and falls asleep with a graph to water bottles and just pours them all over JB and then myself he squirted me in my ear with the water gun and my ear like that whole trip was clogged. I couldn't hear anything the rest of the trip home. Like like flushed out and stuff like that when I got back and it was let's just say cuz Barnes a kid at heart no matter how old he is a kid, like like we're going to get them at some point, but I want to get him but people don't know if you get him. The problem is like nothing is off-limits pop like he's going to come back and like yours wife your kid. It doesn't matter. He'll everything's entertainment. Everything's included. I remember I debated doing something epic before I left the school and MC Mary Carter and advised me not to cuz he's thought he will find a way to get you back and no matter what it is. He will find a way so you could be millions of miles away and he'll get you back and I was like, okay, I'm not going to play this game going to get him with you if you and I were going to we're going to team up and get him before the the Jimmy V. And obviously it never happened. So right but at some point, you know, we'll get him. We'll get him. Somebody will get them. Everybody you're not maybe maybe know now you're a little bit tougher you're gone. He can't do anything and I can't stand up and running more 17s. That's right. That's right. So, all right. Listen song Happy Birthday Bob's you want it you want to do a quick day to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear Williams song, Happy Birthday to you. That is love. I appreciate you guys also graduates impressive, right? Yeah. I was going to say I bought a really good don't want to hear me saying whatever you do. We're not going to go there. We're not going to go to Ricky at Mickey do it. Make sure you would you gotta get Peyton. You gotta get paid tonight team meeting paying off tonight. Absolutely. All right. They made me do all the guys last year. They're doing it tonight. All right. Have fun. Happy birthday. Thanks for joining us, and I hope I'll see you in person soon. Thank you all take care off. Take care. Thanks Greta.

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Pistons beat the Celtics, Offense Collapses Late, Early Aaron Nesmith Second Guesses

The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden

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Pistons beat the Celtics, Offense Collapses Late, Early Aaron Nesmith Second Guesses

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All right be hard everybody saw what happened bad. Okay Celtics lose to the Pistons the game started horribly Celtics brought back. Looks like looks like it was one of those like oops will be fine, you know, pull it together late just horrible execution and shot selection down. The stretch people will debate it off good shots open shots, you know taking things in Rhythm a grant Corner three Jason Marcus Smart open 3 in transition there the step up, you know again smart sleigh up there and they're not the only ones who Miss shots Tatum and brown both missed wide-open threes one to have taken a lead one to tie the game, but I'm willing to accept Those guys missing shots. I'm not willing to accept the other guy's missing shots. How you doing? I wanted to take it though. I think that's what it is. I don't want them to take it. I wanted to late in the clock when you work it around maybe a different story in in almost all of those in stock as like I just didn't want smart. I just don't want smart shooting late. I mean, I don't know. No, you're totally I mean, you know, my I should kind of share that opinion with you, which I know probably doesn't make the bed TV, but I'm with you on that. I mean when when Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum are hitting shots as effectively as they were tonight. I don't have their field goal percentage in front of me, but I know that they were hovering around 50% or better off. So I said Bobby's here that said Jason didn't miss a y did. Mr. Wide open 3, the guy you want to taken the shot. I think Jaylen Brown did he miss one to down the stretch their feeling was the last one was the last one so it's kind of unfair to single. Marcus Martin the situation because everyone going to do it. Anyway, I know and I understand where you're coming from. I understand where you're coming from because you want to maximize your your I guess wrong with your two headed monsters there but those guys missing down the stretch too. So, I mean, it's not just them Jimmy though. Jaylen Brown did not have the ball in his hands nearly enough in the 4th quarter. I mean entire possessions where you had to check to see if he was on the floor forget taking the shot. It just didn't swing through him. Okay. So Jeff Jeff Teague comes in May 1st. First thing you does is look for a shy scored the second time but at no point was he thinking about working it around or getting into the two J's. They just allowed the offense to run through different people like just day off. They went in Tire possessions at the ball didn't get into his hands. Yeah. I'm actually not going to go smart on this one. Grant Williams takes two of those last night. And I know I we already your hobby you're going to miss stuff. We hit a dog. We hit ground. Yeah, so my point is this goes back to what we've been talking about all season. Who's that V man in the lineup to close a game? We haven't been high on Grant and still he's the best option that they have at that spot as a fifth option. And when the Pistons do they sealed the lane. The ball out of Brown and his hands I didn't think any don't lie shot. I thought was bad down. The stretch was smart. Spoke with sixteen seconds left and even that was kind of in Rhythm off a pass, but they they produce some good shots down the stretch. The problem is they went down twenty one and probably were a little dead tend this game. But who's gonna be your fifth reliable option when they get the ball out of Tatum's hands when they get the vitamins hands. They still don't have one that's going to be a big part of surviving early this year's, you know, finding a steady hand who can hit those open shots late, but you're talking about the I think he was saying that he just doesn't want it at all. Those are good looking shots. I don't Mine those guys taking it. Yeah, I understand that. But that's what happens when you when you give up, you know when you're We're playing catch-up and that's what got them back. That's essentially what got them back. I mean what sealed it was? Obviously Kayla Brown Jayson Tatum. They combined for eight points in that fourth quarter to grab the first leader the night the first lead of the night of the fourth quarter. So I'm moving on from that point. I felt like the flow of the offense the way markets were always playing the way he was attacking the basket the way he was Finding other guys. I thought he played great he sort of burned those shots if you ask me but yeah, you miss those shots you live with those misses, but you can't single out you can't bring up Marcus Smart and talk about Tatum and brown taking those open looks that were great look so they just did it fall. That was funny. I thought that's what happens when you're when you're down by 21 Boyz. Well, they weren't down bills and it's the NBA you're going to go down big and a lot. They were Dreadful though early. They aren't they earn that deficit. I mean that was a horrific first quarter credit to them and see if there's a lot more energy A lot more purpose. They they brought it back to a close game. They took the lead at points. They as a team collectively went completely cold late in that fourth quarter. I don't know exactly the month full amount of time that it was that they needed a breather. I feel like they want they came back, you know, I mean these guys what they get back in the rhythm of things twenty-two been hit the shots Jason damage nineteen years old. He needs a breather. I mean these these guys are professional players like they don't give me that I mean listen, they miss the shots. Sometimes they go down. Sometimes they don't but I'm with John in the sense where I am, you're talking about, you know option they don't have an option. It shouldn't come down if it's option. Brad Stevens should be able to get his guys in the correct sets to get your guys the ball. You don't think that they they don't suck. Well, he didn't you know the right James Harden the ball and you know, I mean you'd go down the line on on teams that get their star players the ball. So don't tell me that Grant Williams has to take the shot or Marcus might have to suck shot. Like let me ask you this. How do you feel about the play itself? Because you gotta look for jayla's run. It wasn't a nice Overlook. It wasn't showing obviously it was a great choice. I like setting up the Jalen and Jason because that was the guy's you want to set up Grant Williams never be taking shots late in games ever ever. So if you think that I'm just saying look you're when you have games that are decided late you point to the things that happened late obviously what the reason they lost this game is box went down by Twenty One points to the Pistons and Sleepwalk through the entire first quarter and they found themselves in this position. It should never be this close, but in any late-game situation, I just can't you just dead. You just don't want Grant Williams and Marcus Smart taking out there. They're going to take an open shot. And that's the problem. Like he's going to be out there in that position, right, you know life and you know, and it was good offense. They went over nine the close this game, but it was all good shots except for that smart one. So, you know, I I can't blame too much of what happened in crunch time here. We're really threw them off. I felt like no tubes that fourth-quarter was they put out that great lineup on arguably what should be the starting lineup by the end of this year three guards and Rob plus I paid him at the four and Rob goes down. Mixing in t Grant through that stretch and you know that might have been your closing 5 to end this game, but then you end up with that Grant Tice combo that I haven't loved at all and tice played well again tonight, but I mean, I've defended Grant as being a guy who can hit threes off of the you know, defense collapsing and he couldn't do that late. So I don't know which grants given you. If he can't do that job. Had a rough night for him -3, you know could do that Bobby. Saddiq Bey five 3-pointers. Does that look like he's not a rookie or is it just me and this is I remember but I remember our conversation vividly about him because I think we both liked him and he was a wing a guy who could fill in at the wing right away a guy who had played multiple years of college basketball like perjury and was ready to go on the defensive end was a 40% three-point shooter. He'd be looking pretty good on that Wing Spot for Boston. There's no doubt about that three indeed. So Rob Williams went up but he was apparently he's available to play Brad Stevens still. I mean, we're kind of picking up where you left off with like the center position here where it's like, you know On Any Given night, it could be any of these guys just getting minutes. We have really no Rhyme or Reason to pack it is or when or or why whether it's Tice Thompson now in the mix Rob Williams Grant Williams again, I mean, I've I'm not like hating on Grant Williams. I just don't know if he's dead. Before crunch-time end-of-game minutes, I would rather and I know that Thompson is not going to help you with any outside shooting but don't tell me that Tristan Thompson isn't familiar with like being a big player in the fourth quarter cuz he is and he can grab boards, you know, he can give you extra opportunities a guy like Rob Williams. You already know that what he's capable of working with Tatum and brown. So I just need to know if if Grant Williams is helping you more or hurt anymore when he's in their late in games so they don't have a lot of options right now. And that's the Killer and that's I mean you guys off we're not just talking about the last three or four positions. Jaylen Brown did not have the ball nearly at he was unguardable in this game. Okay, unguardable. Okay. I'm so confused by all of the late game X. We always point to Brad here and it everyone will say it's an overreaction guys are going to take open shots. This is again at those times. It's due the people on the floor Noah. Support are the people in the floor told just go out there and play and if you have a shot take it are they told? Hey guys, be careful with the ball here get it to Jalen and Jason. They're cooking. If something comes to you within the flow or take it or is it go out there? And if you want dribble around and see if you can score on your own, it's cool. Everybody likes basketball. It's fun. Like I I don't know those back-to-back possessions of the one that kill me more than anything who told and Thompson one time just got the ball and started powering his way into the lane. Who told these guys that's what they're supposed to do. Like I'm so confused it off at these times within the flow. Like what's amazing is Marcus. This was one of those games where everybody's cold. So I'm going to shoot because somebody's got a score and Marcus hit a couple threes early. That's almost the worst thing that can happen for him because then he's like, oh, I'm just going to shoot, you know, right and then it turns into the market, you know, I don't think they they never win any of those markets Mark games when he when Marcus Smart scores a lot of birth. Those always go bad, you know, that's his fault though that that usually means that other guys aren't everybody else was having a problem than I yeah. I didn't love the way Tatum started this game Brown. Obviously a standard fee at all. Ball-handling, especially the begin this game was shameful and the way the rate at which the teams turning the ball over through some of these games to start the year is enormously concerning because the goal for this song by the end of the year is Ken Tatum, Ken Brown B, Oli ball-handlers, you know, at least until Kemba Walker gets back and get you into those crunch time moments. There wasn't a quarter in this game where they weren't throwing the ball away or she was whipping it out of like everybody took some level of blame and that one and that got the Pistons going to the live-ball turnovers that just sent them out and transition got them a lot of second-chance opportunities. I was surprised with how the Pistons came out in this one. They really battled. They took it to Boston from like the earliest minutes with the hard drives and just had endless energy to begin this so, I don't know it was a New Year's Eve off. That just had the Celtics looking dead in that first half but that they you can't start getting anywhere, you know be far ahead by the end of it Detroit quite a strong strong game here in a bit, but you can see what was happening and and the Celtics should have once they once they pull the head by Five Points there six points might have been think the the biggest lead whatever for that toward the end of the month or it was five for sure my point looking at least. Yeah, it was it was at the stadium in Tiananmen Brown to commemorate. It was like an 800 run and then they just went cold or the team went cold for what five minutes before minutes in the middle of the 4th. I mean, that's when you essentially take control of the game right there. That's why they did everything except that final step is like maybe did one more shot pretty much do everything. Right? Exactly. You erased it and you still have what eight minutes in the fourth like plenty of time or Marcus creative ways. Yeah. There's there are so many things that that led to this page. I think the office driver I really did recently. Yeah, it was the answer though. I hear you those last couple of minutes. They were they were very they were very liberal with the ball for sure. And that's what like obviously um jail and Jason taking those shots down the stretch, but John, I mean look at the I mean if you watch the game, we all watch the internet. Neither of those guys were were anywhere near on from from Deep tonight. I'm not I don't have the numbers in front of me, but the three-point shooting that was terrific for both those guys so well, yeah exactly so but that's that's what I mean like, yeah. I mean typically if I see Marcus Smart stepping into a 28. I'm not happy with that. But I mean it's a wide open shot in in, you know motion. I'll take it because Jaylin and Jason as good as Jaylen Brown was tonight and I'm really both guys really were you know, they were not, you know Sharpshooters from you know, beyond the arc. I think Jaylen Brown was like one of seven or eight or something. So again, I mean, yeah you want those guys to be the ones down the stairs taking the show. Scott every single time but I will say even though Jason Tatum missed this shot. Or Jaylen Brown injury and LeBron missed a shot. Those are both too good looks out of you know stoppage and it wasn't just Jayson Tatum throwing up a step back 3-pointers prayer that you know, if it goes in great and if it doesn't we're all criticizing Brad and criticizing daytime for decision-making. So yeah, the shots didn't fall tonight, but at least they got good looks and you know, you just take this L and you go back up on Sunday and hopefully they can you know, they should be able to take care of business on Sunday. I like what you said about the sign is Jimmy game. Actually you had three different guys in there and I you know, I thought they all showed good signs, but this team still looks like it's most cohesive self with Daniel theis but there's two strong games from him in a row at. He got the transition deep that's going a little bit and if you took those two shots, there's a great player screen from him. He's such a great screen Setter for this team to free up to him and ground in those spots. But the problem is you have to play Grant with them like either that a game. Designer thing and is this two Center thing to start games going to keep going because it feels like every single night. That's just a sloppy way to start a game where you have centers diving out on three point shooters and God speed and transmission the other way, they're so stuck when it comes to lineups right now that when I thought Richard and Rob with the starters to start the for that was here we go with this line-up right here and then it's done without Rob injury. I think a plot plus-minus is a ridiculous stat an entirely overrated but I I still had the worst plus-minus of the three of those guys tonight and his man juice bar from behind you like these make a plane pointing it fine. But again, it's not right off paired to I mean tires compared to the first time. It just seemed like it was like sleepwalking out there and then came the hard screens and he was a big part of that come back. But yeah, yeah, I mean him and Emma Thompson though. I don't know if you can do that. Expression this one. No Thompson chewed up on the glass two different. Yeah. I tried stop there and when Greg came in and you had that the charging layout be like, okay, wait a minute now, okay now grants going to have some momentum but it just never really materialized off in the game. I give ties credit for not just getting on the plane and going home after Jeremy Grant dumped on him. So he could have just left the left the whole Arena after that but I continued am so good on him is a tough one. That was a poster like, you know, just posted right there. Jerami, Grant what about the left-handed don't do you know the account Jalen Jalen? We're we're really looking at something special going on right here. And you you mentioned the one at 7 from 3 to start the game. He's pushing sixty percent from the field through six games. I mean that's just like like a signer number, you know what he was not from 3. Do the math? Yeah, eleven 4:13 from from from from from two. Yeah, his official greeting cards. How about that? You get the line. Once tonight? He did not the officiating was a bit rough tonight. I'll say that it was Louis. I mean, hey what these teams fly up and down the court. I actually liked watching it was it was just nonstop page tonight. That's not painful. Like it was almost everything resulted in a turnover. Yeah. I medium brown. Yeah the brown the officiating how about that offensive? Foul call that it's kind of a Hot Topic going into today cuz of the Trae Young. Basically, what Trae young does and what Chris Paul does is, you know, they'll just kind of like stop and generally got called on him. Yeah, and like they always get the call for them in jail and did the same exact thing. He got the call against him which you never see that so it's going to be interesting to see how the rest are going to call that or not call that because it's consistent apparently across the league any ways off. Yeah. It's funny to see them get hit with that and the seal thing and that Brooklyn. Yeah, it's crazy and I guess the whole the whole conversation about the want ice continues that's driving me crazy on a broadcast cuz I was like twenty original guys talked about that but they just start following so much over the last two years. I was like these probably following and still like every broadcast we moved here about this. I guess you're driving me crazy, but you know, I think the team is where I want them to be 500 through 10 games or Twenty games how everyone they will Stretch without, they like stick around 500 and just keeps crapping away in these games cuz you look at how under man they are in terms of depth right now. They played carsen Edwards in the second quarter and it's just like what's going on just scrapping for anyone to step up on the wing and he did not play. Well, he did not play well at all. But because he's a friggin G Leaguer man. Like what are we talking about? Yeah, and this is the same thing right now. He goes in over Nesmith. So like all right. Well, let's have the debate that just has been raring to have since the second quarter of the game. Okay. I'm ready to trade away Nesmith but man wage in that it's just we talked about you're not going to judge it after one game, but we talked about just bam else who else is playing that's kind of drafted in and around that long and obviously cracking Detroit's rotation are in Sadiq base-case starting lineup is something you can do on a roster like this, but the dudes play in 30 minutes is a draft pick that was in in the game. Reservation for the Celtics pick their so you're going to get a look at a bunch of these guys coming through here and it's going to be kind of that first wave through seeing what some of these kind of mid-range rookies have. This was your first look at Baywood. You took us way. He's your guy. I love what I saw John. I didn't expect the the three-point shooting to be this efficient at least this early in his career, but defensively is where I was really I live like this all these big time. I mean, obviously the pretty poor shooting is what you know, the three indeed the guy that I sort of I feel like Brad's office has been through, you know first and for four years now and I just thought he was the perfect NBA guy to go ahead right now. I'm in a year or two will need to be better. I mean we have to wait and see but I just think defensively he's just his body type, which is again another thing. I really like about an easement. You know, I think that's a huge addition to a team that has to play against some of the some of the you know, the the Kevin Durant and the Giannis antetokounmpo, you know, some of the toughest players in the front court and I think he could have really helped his team right away. We have to wait and see what's going to happen. Whitney Smith, but I mean something big he's already checking all the boxes, huh. That's a bay Insider right there. I got nothing home. Obviously. We talked about it with the TV either going to have to address that in position because at the end of the day like they need someone like that another three and a guy or something of that magnitude. Yeah. Yeah the suite tonight you'll see on this tweet tonight said Jeremy Grant having a nice audition for that Celtics tpe. Yeah, that might have been me. Is that a source I do. Yeah, these guys Syracuse grad, right? Yeah, he's look. I mean the reason the guy the reason guys much it's another example of how week away position is for the Celtics man, you know, most people do is just cuz the money works not not necessarily because he's on the trade block. He was one of those guys that like, you know, the Pistons were like right right who will play for us, you know, and we overpay them got money. Who can we overpay, you know, yeah, but to Grant credit he is kind of like he's definitely like making the most of his one of his opportunity to play. So I mean, honestly it goes back to like the Celtics. I mean if this guy gets too good then he's going to be another player that's out of the question cuz all they have to eat offer. I mean we spent twenty minutes talking about Rob Williams. Would you trade Rob Williams? Mr. Anthony Dave? I think we talked about that for 20 minutes in the last show and then Rob Williams again, you know, yeah, I know he got he got hurt in this one, but even prior that it wasn't like he was playing much at all again. I don't know what this guy has to do to get some significant number. On the team Jeremy Grant loves himself some Pistons basketball right now because you know his his minutes his shots. Everything on this team is up, you know, he gets off steam for sure. Yes, just Chuck it 24 field-goal attempts. I mean, this is a guy who's averaged, you know, twenty-something minutes per game 10 12, field-goal attempts per game and he gets to come here to Detroit and just Chuck it off, you know twenty four twenty four times in one game in life, you know, if he gets traded if he gets traded to a place like Boston is going to be like, all right. So you're going to take it easy over here, you know to be a foreign Boston like he'd be playing that spot that we talked about granting tonight. He's pretty much flying shooting guard on that massive Pistons team and you look at their line up with all the factors and and you know, Julia Okafor wasn't playing for them the night but they just have centers go over there because 682 guard. I mean w still go attempts from this year and last year. I'll get some credit Thursday. He want to go there to be the man kind of a weird guy to think about being the man on a team, but he's an okay job with it so far in terms of efficiency before tonight putting up a ton of points. But you know, I don't know how a team with like you said a power forward planning your to guard Derrick Rose playing point guard. They have the most confusing rust and the NBA but that guy I mean this type of player is exactly what you would put in the Celtics starting lineup. You never ever ever ever ever ever ever play Tyson Thompson together again, you know, never ever again. He'd be a dream. He'd be a dream for them. I guess. I don't think they have the assets to acquire with Detroit going to acquire a seventh Center. Like I just don't kind of see a trade working. I feel like I feel like Detroit always has three maybe they will wage. So maybe they'll add tights to play the two-guard next. Oh my God what this team makes no sense. Oh, okay. I was going to D Rose. I was there grows kind of like sneaky and pressed me a little bit tonight. I mean, I know he's not the old Derrick Rose but like you kind of forget about him. You just don't you just don't watch a lot of them any more completely forgot I broadcast someone was like, oh, you know he used to be I was half night and not really, you know paying attention for a split second and someone talked about well when you're a former MVP, you can something something I was like took the hell on the Pistons is a former MVP ill-informed idiot is doing this broadcast and I was like, oh, it's Derek, you know, you just forget right to the regular season last year too, but people forget that long long time ago. Yeah who is in the Pistons? I mean, they're the most listless team in this league, but you know, they brought it tonight. They got some key players. So go ahead and one in for you know what I mean? He's he's coming off the bench for him and me. He's a prime candidate to be traded after like because he could help a lot of teams. He was honest you to a lot of people say you suck. The Lakers that's going to come by and contract is probably going to see LeBron just adding him at the last right with the clippers off. I'm in this case you do you bring up that tpg on this team will be interesting with that cuz the pieces are just so weird there. I mean they do have good players, but it's just like wow does all this fit together then that's the worst thing too is they drafted good players. I mean they get Killian Hayes who I love Bay is gonna like waste away his days there and Isaiah store play great tonight to who I want it on the Celtics. So like I guess there's a new cake you eat up some great talents and just put them in the worst situations. You like killing in Hayes I do he's going off to a brutal start though. I was a kid murdered him in Cold Blood. He looks rough to start this year, but no spam saying it's all big centers around him. I don't know what you do with that. He's like, you know kind of wing point guard hybrid. I thought that pic was so weird for them. But really everything they did the issue was so weird. I just I don't understand it's it's so strange watching them and Jimmy brought up those Josh Smith Drummond and Greg Monroe teams, like it's like that all over again. It really is by the way. It looks like it looks like Halliburton is this year's here? Oh, huh. Yeah, he looks good when to pick her to before that. It was like if you could have just had that guy damn. Yeah, we're going to get some way with Nesmith and I know like you gotta give them this time and everything like that. But when you think about the pick it was made for a shooting guy who was ready to roll. You can plug right in and do some shots and if the defense and all these other things are right. Yeah, he's not ready to roll. That's kind of the point. Like that's that's the worst thing about it is you drafted a a guy like it's not like a project. You know what I mean? Right you're drafted a guy with with with who played and had College production. You'd wasn't a one-and-done guy. Yeah, and you're not asking him to do you're not asking him to run the offense you're asking him to stand in the corner and the corner 3-pointers. So there's my question like if Grant Williams going to stand at the corner and Mysteries can't nice just and you would think you would think so but it's not defensive emphasis, you know, and then I'll put you repeat this. What what defensive emphasis is Hakeem Williams again, I'm trying to get a car movies but like I start backing like u r t o y over here man. What is a proven NBA Defender? Like that's what he's got a bit busy it looks it looks way better defensively last year. I don't know what happened right now the same this year. Yeah, I won't argue with them just explaining the rationale right now, which may guided may not be but they're saying that the guy can't defend right defense our offense down the stretch, but let me ask you this you need offense, but you do but I don't object to him not playing him not playing means he's probably nowhere frigging near restaurant yesterday. He didn't look good. He doesn't know where he's supposed to be at all. What what I'm saying is, you know, the natural thing to do is to is to put up the defenses and say he's just a rookie. It's early they missed Camp pile up the excuses all of which are legitimate, but they might not necessarily be the reason Mike. My concern is is there something that they didn't see in the draft process. They got the guy here and they were like, oh, you know, that's your way. Yeah, either way. That's just my that's the fear is like he should after playing two years at Vanderbilt and the type of game that he has be able to come in here and in spots do some stuff and the fact that Steve is laughed about it in the preseason when asked about where he's at and he's like the dude can't get up the court, you know, like he's completely lost don't expect to see him soon. That's somewhat surprising to be that long. Far behind on a team that desperately needs people to take minutes and I am worried that he's just he's not what they thought he was and they're trying to figure out how to kind of fix that. You know. Yeah. I don't know. That's the way yeah, you know what I I'm comparing this year's draft class to like online dating and what I mean by that is like yeah anyone who's ever been on online dating and you know, we may get some online dating spot just some day so it varies success for some people but you just don't know what you're getting yourself into when you're showing up to that first date and then you sit down and you're like you either like oh boy, you don't look like your pictures or you don't look, you know, you're not really who I thought you were and maybe it's because they didn't have you know, a long offseason. They didn't have as much recruiting as they need to get to meet these guys ahead of time and really get a good feel for whether you're drafting. Maybe they just took a flyer and this, you know, yeah, I'll go on a date with this with this person and you know, hopefully it works out. Well, maybe it's not going to work out. That's my compare home. Is online dating to this draft class where you on a lot online days? That's all you Jimmy. That's all you have to do is I will mention hey first dates from online dates some of these teams. I'm not going to maybe the Celtics are just one of those teams like they sat down and like oh boy, I got to get out of here. I think they're crazy about I think they think you know second or third date is appropriate, you know, that's a fact even these men but you you've got to have a couple more dates. Hey Quinton is DMZ the Aaron A Smith the whole thing. We could try to weigh more than ten minutes talking about awful online store. The thing about Nesmith. I'm going to keep going back to it is they drafted him as a guy who was ready to roll and he's not and that wage. The big thing that you had some holes on the scene the fill and it feels like a little bit right in and contribute and shoot, right? Yeah, and that was the thinking behind the Pritchard one to like where we get point guard. This guy is ready to roll at that position and that one work so it's not looking great and there were other Shooters available. We think a baby think it's Jairo Terry Desmond Bane whole lot of draft guys like than Boston end up in a way we're going to do this all year. It's really tough to tell what these young players early on but to have a guy just like Langford last year who's just not able to play right away, whether it's because wage increase or Readiness that kills you when you have a need either on the wing and they didn't think they would have that last year but you guys go to James Young dumb. Yeah gone when you really look that up wage James Young RJ Hunter and you were taken in the twenties. Okay, James Young. 16 Nesmith in Langford both fourteen. Those are those are not technically and I stood too soon for that comparison shame on you Steve see with you where you need to put it this way if you have the photographic up in about a year and half or so go ahead and Celtics going to be bad Jimmy what you said was interesting because we had Brad earlier this size, you know, the beginning of the Season saying that he hadn't been playing five-on-five so that kind of indicates that they didn't see him in a five or five setting, you know, you only had a half season of him playing their advantage about this last year before the injury. So literally it feels like all they have to go on is that second half season our Vanderbilts first one wasn't that great, you know kind of an average year and his freshman year and that's what they went off like a great shooting stretch to start last year. You know, remember It's not like if there was hypothetically a summer league that he would have participated cuz his it wasn't ready yet. I mean this whole thing was from the start something new what they're getting themselves into that. This thing was going to take some time off by ridiculous. You got to change your username. If you ever want to be back on the last up on this because you can't smoke. He's a car or he's not can I can I I'm just I'm surprised we're here with this. There is Duncan Robinson is legit and I want to give us an odd to some of the comments here. There's an insane amount of people here who are dead all over Tatum right now on the comments. And again, I've been critical of him a little bit only because it's relative to his top 10 in the MVP conversation expectations. Not just at face value whether he's good or not good obviously. He's an excellent player, but there's a lot of people here dogging him for his weight saying the ten pounds. He looks slow saying he's playing to pass. And a lot of different things I'm just throwing that out there for you guys. I'm not saying it myself but we have at times wondered to Tatum's been too passive after a couple of games where he didn't really need to do much last game, but I thought he played officially the game before that he was very very aggressive. But obviously that's coming off of the heels of a couple of games where he was settling for stuff. We've been talking about since the beginning of the Season. It looks like you can't turn the corner off and get around guys the way he was before he did start a lot of the step through Up and Under sort of fakes to get to get free and get his shot. But he's not he doesn't think it's maybe it's me and I get other people are seeing it to here. So I'm just throwing it out there. He doesn't look as Twitchy. He doesn't look like he's got guys on a string, you know, like he did there was a lot of you know, a lot of ankle-breaking highlight reel even when he would take a step back where he would just have guys just so worried about getting blown by or getting whatever and he'd get real Separation on those on those step-backs he dead. Seem to be getting those as much now. So yeah anything you're seeing there. I mean again, it's easy to point to ten pounds a wait. I didn't really see it doesn't look stronger or bigger or it doesn't look like weight room. Wait, but he's got one of those positions. It's going to be hard for him to ever look like, you know, unless he hits it hard one year, but what do you guys think as far as that as he look physically the same? Yeah. I think he's still adjusting to it a bit, but there's some truth. I mean, we always compare horn at least in the beginning of his career We compare his name Darrell Outlet his body type a little different right has much more muscle than during especially now. So I think it's kind of hard to adjust but in a sense of turning the corner. Yeah, I agree to that to a certain extent but what I'm looking at is this photo I think he's improved have been with that and I think that's what's been so frustrating for me. First of the first two games a season were just like you you had the footwork just go inside and he was just chucking away. But tonight that wasn't the case. He did force the issue. He did take a couple of still step three corners. I sort of first-rate you but when he gets off the line when he got to his spot when he pulled up and those shots were falling then it was like, okay Taylor didn't know down the stretch it was going to go in it was sort of fifty-fifty. It felt like we're a Jaylen Brown. I felt like okay now he's cooking. Jalen can really close this one off. I don't know of any problems with Tatum aside from the turnovers like those are still my thing with him and I'm going to nitpick it to the maximum because we think of him of being that number what I'm asking physically does. He look less athletic less less less mobile I go back again. We know and I know this is a rough comment on the Tatum is soft but he does not play the contact. Yeah. Oh, yeah just does not do it. I agree with this is not do it and it affects his shots because he's not enough of a leaper to go up and over people. So he's still doing too many of these Scoopy extended arm things around the basket. It's one of the reasons he missed his layoffs because he changes his shot to to to take a shot. That's not as natural for him instead of just going and just drawing the foul and playing through contact. He will not seek it out. That's a separate issue. The other is just simply Bob. Athletically, you don't see it. You don't see any sort of drop. They're not a time. There's been a few places where I'm seeing what you're saying. I think that weird one against the Grizzlies where was like at point-blank range and like step back and fifteen footer with a little weird. So it feels like he's kind of just getting their footing under him of being on the phone a lot more creating for himself a ton more just like, you know to start his career. He was off all along, you know, if other guys and he's getting in that playmaking position he has to worry about you know, who's to my left who's to my right dealing with double-teams as consistently as he does is just a lot going on around him to the number one guy off and he handled it extremely well in the playoffs. So there's definitely a difference at the start this year through some of his more trouble field stretches. But you know, this is this is made in the night out now to start a year. You gotta get used to being in that position physically, maybe a few plays but I feel like overall he's been already am I missing anything Jimmy No, but I mean I'm kind of confused. So there's people saying he needs to lose weight. They think he's slow and I'm just pointing it out because I've moved I've said it a few times both in the preseason and early in this year. He does not look as quick and Twitchy as he as he did last year when he was and and that's again, but I'm going to say that's working his way into the season and it's your point. There is he could be used in that size Embrace contract, but that's the other thing is if this happen you do grow, right and you are stronger one hundred percent. Let's say let's say he did lose 1/8 of a step. Who knows. I'm not saying anything. He should absolutely be sticking out of context a little bit more than a little bit bigger. That's the point of him getting bigger. It's been the point since he got League everyone's saying he needs to add muscle to his frame. It's not just drawing contact when you get to the basket. It's on your way home. Basket knocked off your line. Yeah, I think I think that's fair. I think that's yeah. If you don't have the base to continue driving through people. It's so easy. If you're a step behind physical you can get knocked back and the other guy can catch up and that's always been a thing with him to let's compare it to another guy Anthony Davis's listed. Wait, what is listed? Wait do we know anyone else off on my head, but I'm thinking of another guy who transformed his body, you know, John can look up the wait real quick. No, he's not. He doesn't think he's cool because Kobe wants to contact. Yeah when the guy jumps up, he's not going for the fade away. He's going I think I think of I think of the way Anthony Davis plays too, you know on the wing for the Lakers where he's gone to with them. You see the way uses his body to bump guys out of his way in the lane guys are going to get in this way. It's going to be a collision at the rim and there's going to be a file and he's going to be going in the line. I think that's the most Fair criticism. You can come up with a painter said this year because he hasn't been bad. You know, he's not struggling. Yep. Now is a you know perfectly fine game from the special kind of the end. You just nitpicking them because we raised them to that massive standard of being a top ten guy in this league. So that's the kind of thing you have to do if you're that guy in break contact and you know always being willing to you know, get a blocking foul on a guy at a rim instead of avoiding them. But you know, we saw that the beginning of last year and as the season went on he kind of grew more comfortable got sick more often. Maybe this is kind of an early-season thing that he has to do with, you know, get used to that contact in the full of things. Yeah. I mean, you can't say that long, but I can name. Can you name another guys? I mean the the guys who were above him. They all go for the payment will get to the free-throw line. All right. What I'm what I'm going to say is you can't say that that Jayson Tatum needs to lose weight. He's not a guard he's not playing shooting guard. He's not he doesn't need to be the quickest guy on the phone now he needs to put on weight and muscle like he's doing is he's still growing boy. Let's not forget that the kid just grew two inches over the last few months here. He's putting on the way to try to keep up with and he may be 7 to buy next season. He's going to have to keep putting on weight. Good weight. Like John said muscle is he going to lose, you know a little bit of a speed maybe but if you if you could sacrifice the speed contact. Yeah. I don't think you will either. I mean, he's twenty-two years old. I mean this guy is not even near the prime of his career. Like let's let's put the brakes on like he's going to he's out of shape and all this. I mean these guys are now like they're at the Southlake facility. They're on a program. They're all on a program whether it's dietary working out. I mean, they're playing every other day. They're not like eating Easy Mac dead. You know every night like you know what I mean? Like, I don't know what these guys know maybe is rolling that's another t-shirt pebbles in the morning off hanging out. That's it be their socks of the feet together and wanting to play the power forward and you know, you want want the Celtics to not go big and you want him to play the fort then he has to put on a little bit of money and you guys are all right. He needs to seek contact one of the best things that Paul Peirce did was he embraced contact he looked for contact, you know how long he was allowed his guy in the gym when somebody touched him he would call for more fouls than anybody in the world has ever dreamed of calling for it. He would probably get them I think so, that's what date of birth and his game look for contact create contact Get Loud out there for the rest of blows whistle and you know make a name for yourself that way. You know, what hated us. He complains about not getting fouls. Yep. Stead of creating files that's what he needs to focus on. I'll say this to I want to bring this to the other end. I could fall down every shot. I want I want to take this the defense because God did I say before this year this team had the potential to be the best defensive team in the league and they had all the person that you could dream of paid of brown smart Thompson off and instead they one of the worst and that's that's still concerned to me. I always another concern the night, you know, helping yourself with turnovers, but that's somewhere else Tatum can really step up. I mentioned it to you guys during the beginning of the fourth quarter. He took that game over defensively with the steals with the breakouts walking down Grand. I know we talked about Grant struggles late in this one that pertain was a big part of that. So that's another way. He can be more consistently great for this team the start this year. I'm still mezmorized that this group is as bad defensively as they are to start this year and I talked to Nick about it too. Like I said this group they they have that potential. They might not be the best offensively but defensively they can be walking down. Yeah, and man where we were drawn like they they just don't look like a team who develop a onek. Yeah that that looks like a good person to waste your Celtics takes on the drinking texts. Who said that that before the know but I hope I hope I see 44 here knows that I said abso-freakin'-lutely trade Marcus Smart for the and the Warriors would never in a thousand years do that. But anyway twice and then you weren't missing there for sure. They need all that right. Now. This is the roughest, that we've had in our history. It's Ron. Yeah, I'm just going to assume that Matthews had a few and again, we're okay. Yeah, we're nitpicking with Hayden. We're not saying thinks he's saying Kom is Wiggins. I think he means to you spelled it wrong, but that's not true. Tatum is a 10 times the shooter. Okay. How about this one? This one's worse. Oh and so untrue and awful that it's still had that we lost Joe sway. Yeah, you know what? I'll say this about Jeff Green second least favorite Celtic cross at least here. It's like Jeffrey was my second least favorite something and it's after that. I don't know anybody who Rondo yours. No yours. Oh, no, I love Ron. Don't do it over kidding me. I love Rondo got so I'll back Rondo till the till the day I die. But Jeff Green see you later. I mean that talk about having a major at least I have an attitude to but you Kyrie one. Yeah. Okay. I barely consider him a Celtic he was here for frigging ten minutes. He hears I know but the injury injury question. I have a question for Jose way you can disappear in but these these series are going to be interesting to watch the frigging thing in every one except for you John. I'm like I got do this again. That's just where I want to ask about the topic. What's up? I was going to I was going to ask about your favorite topic here this series cuz we're going to see the Pistons twice are all these going to be splits. Pretty much. The first one was the split between Boston Indiana there and a lot of them seem to be going down. Now you could split talk so you can happen a lot of time. I really do you ever go to the bathroom for a minute. I use that to me. I mean, we're in panic mode right now our freaking out about Nesmith and hey Adam, I still look at this team and say like get to 500 through the stretch without come by like you might be the 6 seed you might be better off in a better spot about 500. Now, you're going to learn about you can learn a lot but no, you know what I tell you that though Jimmy because once you get, back you start to integrate waiting for later in this year. Like this is all going to be a building up here for this team. So I see like Trends not going in the greatest direction to start this year. We knew that was going to happen. I mean you guys were freaking out coming in and see if they could be way back. Yeah, I've been doing the drive around right? It's just the colors. So we got that brought up in the middle of the fact that these comments is accepting up the game. Every every weekend work is though Perkins made a Thursday night. Oh you look at your dial up half the time you're going to place. You don't want to become known as the guy with bad Wi-Fi Jose way. That's just that's not who you want to be. Hello that brought somebody with you for you woke and I'm just telling you guys for a joke. I am I asked I asked John this point blank the other day wage. Actually agree with me is this team ahead of schedule or behind schedule because for all the nitpicking we're doing I still feel like they're ahead of schedule in terms of what we expected with. The schedule is is taking you know, where then yeah, I mean, but right now what what do you seeing from this team that like makes you feel okay about this month realistically came on he can't. Okay. No one else. I agree. I agree you can limit his minutes. You can limit usage but he has to go out there. And the question by the end of the season, I you know, once they get that camera, once they get back line for did they make the right decisions to carry this team through this early stretcher and now you can't build your roster for 20 games a year when you're banged up but to have four centers and two Wings just you see the impact of that early on like they they're kind of disjointed in the way the rosters built and I see some juice and a green in the comments and it's a fair point too. He's been out they can't do the three wing line up the same, but for sure that win Dept is killing them right now in a bad way and like can't even we can't walk. That's my voice. The best thing to do to really consciously podcast he lives in Brockton. That's why I was dialing. It was a private joke, that was hilarious birthday beautiful houseboats beautiful. So here's a here's a fair comment because everyone knows where I land on this one. This is from Griffin. Why is everyone sure everything's going to be fine when there's Kemba? I'm not home. I'm really worried that Kemba and again, I'm still I'm still viewing kemba's and I'm still viewing it as if not when I'm not certain that they get to the end of whatever assessment. Here and that they're like, okay here he comes he's going to be back and a hundred percent. I'm pretty still I'm pretty worried about it still and dead. I don't think yeah. I don't think there's any reason to think it's going to be. All right, just when I don't think he's the Savior when he comes back. I think if he's coming back in his clothes off. Of course, it makes a huge difference, but I'm still I'm still pretty worried about that. He's got a ramp up going right guys. I think I think what Griffin's trying to say is I can just come in and just drop in 2020, you know right off it is not saying it's going to take them a few games. This might take them a few weeks. What you hope is you get that camber in the postseason. I think that's what you're wishing for it. That's what the something realistically aiming for. Your not going not going to be an 80% wall and out in the middle of March. I don't think it's going to be that going to be the case. But if he's back by March or or at least late February and he's working his way back then that's on that's a good sign for the Celtics. Yeah, that that's the tricky thing about him is yeah. I don't I don't want to think about that one where cameras going to need to get to when he gets back. Is that explosiveness the creation for himself to take place? Draw Tatum and ground in that regard what stuff and I'll give you this John. He's not an elite facilitator. So if he comes back and he's not really getting his but he still like great dribbler. I'm starving on traffic that's going to be an adjustment for him. That's like a role. He's going to have to get more comfortable in his being that pure facilitator kind of think about what Pritchard doing for them right now. He's not scoring a ton but he's opening of other guys. That's not what, does Kemba it goes out there and whites it up and takes pressure off guys, like being that single, you know point or so, I'll give you that he's gotta come on and off or he's got to come on be explosive and I don't know none of us know if that's going to happen we go. So well, then that's nothing to keep a close eye on like what if he doesn't get shut off the ball game. He's he's got to be on the ball making that happen. Yeah, that's true. I just think he forces opposing defenses to really go the perimeter when he gets going, you know over forty percent from three, like that's that also makes them a tough or make the Celtics home. Seem to Garden the backward. I'm throwing this comment up here. Cuz again, I'm not trying to dog the guy. I am just I am so shocked at how unathletic Tristan Thompson is dead. I really think you know more athletic. I thought I thought he had a little more a little more juice off his I mean he is glued to the ground a bit more. I'm not saying he's sleeping through the building but for an undersized Center, he could not I mean, he's really battling. I mean, he's a he's an absolute brawler. But and and he and he I mean plays with energy plays hard every you love you love what he brings to the table, but man he's just not athletic at all. I mean and I mean just clumsy as hell on offense and we knew that but I don't know. I mean, I'm not dead. I'm not having buyer's remorse fully here. But I I'm not in love after six games. I'll just say that I think he's been rasala. Considering the kind of shape he came in with but I'll go back to this where they grade Wing options out there. Probably not in terms of a mid-level kind of fire. But if they don't kind of shape into a more traditional line up here, like every Senator is going to be with them by the other Center whether it's granted before whether it's ice at the boy, you know, Titus was talking the other day. I would play for like ever like this is like his first time ever playing the four and like Thompson's Manning that pistol so he's kind of in a comfortable position but his he surrounded by people who are complimenting his game the most in terms of Allina the Steamworks awkward. We we talked about how weird the Pistons roster is the Celtics, you know, same taste in Thompson isn't too far off. So you're four centers and two Wings. I'm going to keep going back to that and that makes for some awkwardness for all the centers involved like place. He's dealing with it, you know, Rob The guy who was adjusted comfortably we have an update on him. Is he? Is he fun? I haven't seen anything yet. All right to be able to go back in. He didn't look like the whole but you just got flat-out box out a lot of content or yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like the way ideally imagine him again just liked ice is at Center three Wings around them everybody switching like you can't you can't have Grant and Thompson in a switch defense or Tyson Thompson and like it just it's awkward. It doesn't work. It's not the same as Hayward and tight as last year at that point hotspot. The rubber Williams thing. I mean they said he was theoretically available late. But just didn't go in. What was the injury there was the the neon with an E. All right, so it'll be fine. I got a little worried with the hip they're seeing that with his past there, but I'll probably be good. But I I want to what I want to see more of these games to come and who knows how far I want green is going to be out more green at the four more those kind of line-ups a.m. If you want to do what they did tonight with three guards and you've mentioned this John smart Brown Richard or even to the third smart. I'd like that three guard line up better sliding Jaylen over the edge of a of a three, you know, that's going to mean those grants not going to play at all. Oh, no. I know I'm not mad about that. But like it are they are they going to do that like Brad for some reason still is really married to those Grant minutes. Well, we supposed to be the Swiss army knife, right? He's supposed to take about another stride here, but he hasn't I think even Brad a surprise. He's just thinking it's going to happen any day now again, like I see him at Center don't you Jos like that for is not working? Yeah. No, I agree and I think that outside so I think maybe now and he's in he's in his own head again sort of like flashbacks of last year Well speaking of outside shooting the how long or is that for tires? Cuz I feel like sometimes that was sort of opened things up, but it just I felt more comfortable here shooting threes and the bubble that I've now and that's not good. I thought I feel better about it series Did you take any tonight? I mean, he's he's but he had the open look sort of like a situation where he he he always finds he has to take it. We're before he's the hesitate but then in the bubble, it was like automatic in a sense of he was going to take it used to be better. Therefore used to be better during that second year. I think 2015. So I think that's the best but or you found that touch I guess. Hey, so here. We are like this this line of the little awkward. You're going to see you'll see all the warts and then they win and you celebrate the accomplishments of Tater found. We're going to be riding this roller coaster for a little bit. Again. There's a 500 team for a dull Swiss army knife. That's that's not sharp off-season, right 500 basketball team until camera comes back and then we're pretty much saying for some of us are saying that Kimba either may not come back. If you're John or hire me page you may not come back 50% until like a month later and even then who knows where it's going to be so I mean really like Where where is this leading in the Eastern Conference? Are they just thinking about 500? Probably not a home court team for sure wage. They work now. Can you build up some guys is nice not get involved. Like that's the stuff. We're going to start answer the year goes on and that's why I don't want to make like definitive judgments right away on what this team is like them so far away from what we're going to see but as they look now, you know, they're probably not better than Philadelphia. They're probably not better than Indiana like well and each class Warren Warren hurts young age, but he but he does look good the Bucks. We know what the Bucks are. So you're looking at that succeed like as they are right now, and I'm not I'm not hammering them in at 6, but they're going to play a good portion of the scheduling team. They have right now. I want you can somebody acknowledged. What a massive departure. This is from what Bobby was saying like two games ago. This was dead. Rivard logic this looks like about a 6 ish seed, you know, he's like no no no, no, no, no. No, I'm not I'm saying like, you know twenty games sample size is currently constructed. Yeah, it's nice and then once you start in a grade and the other stuff later and some of these young guys possibly improve at Thompson starts pulling at his highest rate you go on a wait season stress. That's what I've been hoping for all along and you know every month on the comments saying I gotta get in the truck right now. So we have Jimmy it's it's heating up outside off one of the other guys and you could go and change real quick by all the Christmas gifts relate. I was on this Midway through your take you just put a jacket on while you're talking bird flew off if you come in with a full UPS hat next time I will love it. Let me let me look for that right now, but I don't know here we are. They they probably going to beat them. Things on Sunday and will be high and then we're going to be low on other day. Someone just made a really good comment here for you guys. We are you are you took three Milwaukee Brooklyn three and three Toronto just won their first game. I went wrong about that Brooklyn start like John graphic. I think you send it to the group texts when you're like just like predicted right the top four teams in the East were all North Atlanta. You know, I'm glad I'm glad you put this coming up because we have to ask the Prime Minister himself Bobby the prime minister of Canada. What's going on in Toronto? Why was the convention has Nick nurse lost the locker room my Nick nurse. I think the Tampa got screwed in a way that I think they got screwed in a way that other teams haven't this year and it's a weird year but like to be thrown down the Tampa, what were they doing sending a team down there and just like you so many of their teams are so many of their lives have been uprooted. Your guys have been living in Canada for years trying to figure out that whole situation. I mean guys are still figuring out where they were going to be living there like in the last days of training camp. So I mean that was just a brutally unfair thing that they had to deal with this year. They lost some good players surging is an outstanding guy in Turkish all we knew he wasn't the best but like that team is just going through it in a way that no other teams going to go through it this year. They have a tough travel schedule and they're coming up on the schedule for the Celtics too. So that's good for Boston that that team that was going to kind of be a shoo-in in the top four or five there is, you know dealing with a lot right now, but yeah, they don't look very good and you got a job. They're going to be one of those teams that blows it up goes in that direction this year. I think you know what I said, man, I'm not giving up on it. Just pull the trigger do it, you know. Mrs. Missouri would not trade for Harden just do it tomorrow just roll the dice. It'll be entertaining for all of us. We can I think I think that's I think that's still the team. You're right just went do it. You know what month you didn't once and it paid off do it again. Imagine how things going to happen? But can you imagine if James Harden can bring that team to the NBA finals? You know the Toronto Raptors back in it when no one else expected it it was like they could use a shake-up like that especially if they're you know, sour or not. Yeah, but it felt like after every loss like this, you know how long we're going to have two days of trade for hard and talk and then they're going to beat the bag out of Detroit next time and everything will be fine. So actually cause the White House the way Brands looking right now, you don't even consider it like he sees a sending you a level that you know when you make that worth it. Oh, yeah. No, it's there's no it I've never been for that just because it's again, you're not we gotta talk about it. You know, you're not trading a two-way player who's you know, under 25 who you have under one of the best contracts and basketball right now for for for for for any kind of option at the end. Yeah for very few people. I mean it Jaylin is too good. So this is over a month. Up, I think we've we've we've we've done all we can do here. We get the same two teams added again, you know, I am curious, you know, you know how they come out next time. This is down to one of these mad Brad sort of don't get that get that get that. What can Brown do for you? Yeah, that's perfect. Perfect. I should be a graphic. We we should ask James Brown game. Should I was Bobby Bobby welcome brand. Do you sincerely UPS? They know what they're doing. That's that's that's that's a double entendre. They call that they go back home. So I got two of these shirts off the we're more often gets the people going kind of burnt. Sienna now orange another color. Yeah. It is. It's Canyon wrap it up and you gotta get you gotta get gelso to shut up here. So he's not going to go. He's not going to chill until we stop so we gotta stop. You know, you're going to get going on. That's true. 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Hour 3: 1/25/19

The Paul Finebaum Show

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Hour 3: 1/25/19

"The Paul finebaum show podcast is brought to you by the new Capital One saver card. Earn four percent cashback on dining and entertainment two percent on grocery stores and one percent on all other purchases. What's in your wallet? Cried passion and patterns re of college football leaves here. The Paul finebaum show. Our three podcast second half this show live. We just had a great conversation with grant Williams, the Tennessee star who I'm still shaking my head. He chose Tennessee over Harvard. Princeton and Yale about that one. Maybe a first you're more your phone calls today. Five to four two seven two eight five. Let's talk to Jim not that one. This one is in Minneapolis. Hey, paul. Hey, jim. Hey, how's it going? It's going great. Thank you. I really love your show. And I've only able to watch it for the last hour or so. But when I tuned in you, you guys were talking about Texas A&_M football. I believe right. And there's some some comments were made that to me it didn't sound like the aggies were getting a whole lot of credibility from the commentary on the on your show. Anyway, I just wanted to remind people that even though AM lost the both Clemson and Alabama last year that ATM lost the Clemson by two. And that was the result of an missing two field goals during that game in when they played Alabama in Alabama up until. That time they were the only team that had scored that many points against Alabama all season. So even though they went very high in the rankings. They they did perform on the field. Even though the one loss record did not reflect that so I just wanted to get that on. Well, let let me listen, I'm not I'm not just trying to answer your I I was one of our conversations. And maybe maybe you saw maybe I was I was very high on am. And I am very high on AM being probably the the the next team behind Georgia to contend with Alabama. You're right. The you know, they they let some of the season slip away. I I thought the blow in the ten point lead. At Auburn was was maybe the low point of the year. But but but overall. AM had had had had had an exceptional year. I mean, we were we did our show from out there on the first Thursday night of the football season trying to remember who they played it was. I don't know who who's that. It was it was out a memorable opponent. But it it. It was still an indicator though, that you could you could feel it that day and then two weeks later, they they dealt with am that this program was was surging. And I think they will continue to well. I appreciate that. And I think coach Fisher has everybody's attention now. And you're going to see a much improved program next season. Jim thank you for the call Eugene is in Georgia on the air. Go right ahead. Eugene Paul Sherman. Join your show. Thank you taking my call. Thank you very much. Paul, you know, then in our country. We're looking forward to Dick's here a mess because the progress that pervious made in we believe will kill continue to make. But we welcome Notre Dame between the hedges next year. And we're already looking forward to that. Visit and I'd like to talk I think one thing that needs to be looked at by the selection committee for the playoffs. I think there should be some kinds of things in may between a loss in your conference championship game and a loss in the regular season. Now Notre Dame as his agreement with the ACC, they're not an ACC team having joined that conference and yet they play five ACC opponents. And I believe they should have to be a member of that conference to do that. That and they don't play championship game Georgia last year one loss of the regular season. And they lost the championship game of the SEC Alabama barely and there was no distinction made between a loss in the championship game and a regular season loss. I think that should be distinction may between especially when you look at had Notre Dame got into the play off with without having to play a championship game. May I have your comments? Please paul. Thank you. Okay. Eugene on the ACC an ordinary day that telecommuting decision the ACC made as you know, Notre Dame is a member of the ACC in every sport, but football, so they compete in basketball baseball and everything else. I don't think that should be allowed. Well, but you know, what it's like, it's like state versus federal government. It's it's all up to the. See and they made that determination. Now, I do think Notre Dame hurt themselves this year. Whether the committee admits it or not I talked to a couple of people from the big ten and other places out in California. And the idea that they got into playoffs without a championship game, and and showed themselves so poorly will haunt him. They cannot be trusted Notre Dame cannot be trusted on the national scene anymore. We've had at it. And they won't get another one. I man, and I really this narrative is on me. Well, it's facts Notre Dame as Alabama should not be trusted international stage in two thousand nineteen point. You know, Mark we try we're trying to carry on an objective converse. Xactly? You're you're carrying on a motion conversation Notre Dame on the national scene is complete and total fraud. Excel wait. The Michigan game wasn't on national TV. So you're you're parsing words, I sit on the national scene. That's what I'm saying. But then the Notre Dame. Michigan game wasn't on national TV. See you're making stuff up, and you go I'm talking about the end of the season when the national scene is just a semi old game or or playoff problems site once in the BCS era now I in the bowl, they were embarrassed. And now they've been harassed again. They're not getting back in if I have anything to just from last year. No, nothing Mark. I realize you got a baby crying every night. But I just curious. I liked the narrative. Three different examples. So from four years ago the festival. Show me the last time when a game really mattered Notre Dame. Well, wooded itself. So against what a winning a game or playing a close game or getting blown mattered at the end of the season. That would they beat LSU in January one bulb go so well. Well, the citrus Beaumont something that Kentucky this year. But like in general the Citrus Bowl. Her paw. I believe the ACC should be some way penalized for extending these friends with benefits thing than I listen. I'm going to defend the ACC on that front Eugene. I mean, they they made the determination. But but Notre Dame will get in the college football playoff over my dead body. The next time around I man, Paul Americans as to believe the I c c shark put down play. I just love how much how much talk on Notre Dame. It's just wonderful. I mean, let me who you, gene. Do you not have a chance to get in? I beg your pardon. Did degeorge not have a chance to get into the playoff. Yes. But I believe I chance to get in with diminished, by the fact, the tears was diminished when you lost by twenty at that is incorrect. And it went out the door. And then it was proven. You didn't below Texas in the sugarbowl interrupted. I'm just three lies. I mean, let's be honest. Eugene gene, first of all if the season had ended with Georgia at the end of the at the end of the regular season Georgia would have gotten in you know, that. I met Mark making. Notre Dame and played Alabama. And that Notre Dame and play forget it forget Alabama acts claim. Claim in the ACC championship game. We already know what the result would have been Alabama. The Alabama would kill knew that make you feel like oh church. Not being a being an ACC member and everything that is. I think it's ridiculous to play off see schools. Have to play. How many how many schools the Georgia play this year? I don't want to talk about anything other than I raise the issue. I raised I'm raising issued these special benefit to notice benefits playing FCS opponents in season football and be a member of the ACC on they benefit thing with the ICC. Why show because you don't like it by five games to the that? You have to be AC. Jane, I do something I should have been longtime ago and get control back of this show. So what you've done here. Eugene is really interesting you brought the internet or Dame out in Kiev back, and it's really say match it. Sad to watch great program used football. Now. Say again, they'll have to scream from the cheap seats Eugene. Thank you for making day and everyone. It used to be that's true now with his friends have benefits thing. That's. Agree. Now, you Jane, thank you very much. Okay. Mark. Have you recovered from really, interrupting Eugene's? Great call was it. Really great call. I wanna hear from Jim from Tuscaloosa that was a great call. A little busy today. What are you talking about? Everything's back on the government's backup. Jim, jim. That was good call Jim is not happy today. I've been reading his tweets and he's got his head and Fox News right now. And he's pretty pretty rotate. I don't think we're gonna hear from Jim today. We did hear from grant Williams earlier, and it was a fantastic conversation. The star of the Tennessee basketball team with Admiral Scofield joined us just a few minutes ago and more of your phone calls. Seth Greenberg on deck coming up next listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Welcome back to the program. We're glad you're here. We had a fantastic conversation about thirty minutes ago. Grant Williams who lit up in Nashville the other night. We'll talk a little bit more about that. Seth Greenberg who joins us from Kentucky where he is ready for tomorrow's big twelve SEC challenge. The catch taking on Kansas. Seth so great to have you back on the program. I hope the basketball season's been kind you after him. How you doing? Life is wonderful any better. I couldn't stand here that that's a positive outlook, which some of the people around here had that. Your life is wonderful. It's been it's good. I'm not complaining. I mean, there's there's no reason to great to have you on let me let me get we're talking to grant Williams a few minutes ago from Tennessee. And before we get to UK, and k you I wanna get your thoughts on this Tennessee basketball team. And what you think they're capable of the rest of the way. Capable of winning national championship. You talk about besides being absolutely engaging guy really bright easier to talk to not afraid to share an opinion. He's having to play over the years. I've season. I mean, I know we're talking about Zion. But if you look at the numbers and the plays that grant Williams making increase time. He's got a clutch, gene. I mean stepped up the winemaking his free throws every time down the stretch. It gets all usually on that right elbow reps. It drives it usually delivers. He's making other guys better shooting the three he's getting put a line. But it's their team is much more than grant than Admiral Scofield. I mean, Jordan about what he shoots at Jordan bone is part of the group of of what I call little guards that have taken over college basketball this year, you know, bones ability to lead the defense the distribute is no different than. Really what we're talking about trade Jones. It at Duke Xavier Simpson at Michigan. I mean, he's a special player. I really think it comes out to that. They're in the discussions are t mic would've ASA championship. I think Alexander is the X factor if he can be consistent from rip reproduction. But I love this Tennessee team Seth Greenberg joining us live from Lexi, let's talk about the cats for second. We'll see them tomorrow night. You'll you're you're there you'll be there all day Tamar quieter than than in years past. I guess maybe when you start with a mess against Duke lost to Alabama couple of SCO, but some Goodwin's one over Carolina few others. What what is your take on John Kerry's team? I think Carolina was good Louisville. When was gonna Mississippi State win was very good. Y'all went on the road was terrific. I think the the obituary for Kentucky Duke game was a tad bit premature it's kind of a lection society. I mean, look they got wet. But I look at John cale Perry's team every year, and I look at him as a piece of Kway that he's trying to bold. And you know, he's gonna he's gonna take pieces off it. He's going to reshape it and make changes. And you really don't know what's going to come out until about the middle of February. And I think he's actually closer to finding out who they are now that he was even years past just visit with he said look there top ten offense efficiency, and he's still try to about he's gotten his rotation down. He may changes obvious with Ashton. I think they're right below Tennessee. Right now. In kind of a second tier of the SEC behind Tennessee right now because of just kind of lack of experience, but they're capable beating Tennissee. The backward is good and Hagen's changed their DNA a little bit. You. You're seeing you know right now PJ Washington. He was really really good. The other night against Mississippi State co flea emerging as a guy at the front court. They can go through. They're getting better minutes at EJ Gumri and Richard. So I think that piece of clay is still being added and subtracted and bolted I think in the end they're going to be an elite where the team to have a chance to be a final fourteen talking to Seth Greenberg course, Kentucky and Kansas tomorrow part of the the big twelve challenge. Unfortunately, two of the better SEC schools, not part of this. But I want to ask you about one of them in particular LSU, which has been sneaky good, not surprisingly with the talent that coach. Wait has developed, but they haven't quite broken through on the national scene. What what is your take on this team? I really talented you talking about letting size, and and really they've got a leap point go to works. But he is special. He's he doesn't defend it disrupts. I love scholar amazes shop making and then they got those talented freshman. I mean, you know, house re to really gifted like to see him the mandible on the low post a little or LIAM's rebound. The basketball smart is a fiscal heart playing guy. They're really good. They gotta take care basketball. They turn it over at high rate. They got the three better. They've got to be a little more consistent on the defensive. And they try to steal the ball. But at times, they don't guard you and get the best teams keep you in front force shot. Maybe they'll turn overs much, but you don't get the shop you want. And that's where they have to improve. But at lettuces them their size. And they're back court is really really good says before you. Oh, I wanna go back to Tennessee. And Rick Barnes because it's a story that a lot of folks have heard by now, but but listening to to grant Williams tell the story about very was in in in the heart of North Carolina with all the big schools around him. And even Davidson did not offer him. He ended up choosing Tennessee over Harvard. Princeton, and yeah, which is never heard that story quite like that Tennessee over those three. But, but it's, but it's really interesting, and I guess the bigger picture is what Rick has accomplished. And I realized you know, we see other things especially national championship was than than one and done especially in the last couple of years. But what does this about college basketball today? Well, I think that the evaluation processes difficult, and you can't ever really understand the DNA of the kid of what is up is worked ethic attitude, and what that chip on your shoulder means he's a winning player, he's high character. And that's what makes done which done is the whole key to recruiting bowl. My opinions. Find guys play for your head coach finding guys that understand what's important to him. And share that say there's you Rick sept- has done a great job doing that. And you know, it started granted obscene. I think he inherited Admiral steak, but they've got a hard outer shell. You made a great point. Because this is an argument have with bills all the time. I call it shared experiences. If you look at the last two years the final four those were teams that have had shared experiences. So when their backs against the wall when it's two point game. All right. They have a connection. Have a commitment. They have something that they can go back upon to find a way to win that game that maybe a younger team doesn't have the character. As an avid shared experiences. Does have the resilience of a team that's invested in each other. And this is what this Tennessee. They remind me a little bit of Villanova third of their maturity, and that team is team of grown men that team is at team of high character guys that are really talented that feel like each and every night, they gotta draw line and said proved to people how good they are. And that team the perfect examples that game, but then the other day you talk about the the flagrant one. And you could talk about all the things that impacted the end of that game. How many teams have won that game? How many teams could've got home and found a way time score late game remain poise and one that game. I say there's. Very few that could've finished that game off the way that well done Seth Greenberg. Joining us from Lexington. Seth thanks for making time always great to catch up. Stay. Well, you got it. Seth Greenberg in Lexington for game day tomorrow. And of course, the Kentucky game with Kansas break. Still plenty of time for you to get on board here. Great great show, all ready with grant Williams and Seth we're coming right back with much more. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Technology truth brought to you by cold. Truth. You will certainly send any text about your supervisor to your supervisor, what's rats Janet's? Fangs did she lose that? With a weed whacker? Oh, Sint, wait. No, no, no, no truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Janet, I think my phone was hacked or something. Go fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. We're back on the show. Glad you're here on a Friday afternoon berry as in Gettysburg, you're on the air. Right ahead. Paul thanks for taking my call. Thank you very much. Listen at all their caller regarding these college gifted players playing out the season because some agent gotten their decide to not planner ballgame. And I really tend to agree with what that gentleman had to say. I don't know who's lowering the bar, and I don't know why the is being lowered in that aspect. What about the average fan that? Very loyal to the team all year follows of season ticket holder, blah, blah, blah. And then not being able to see the the season played out on a ballgame. With one of their most outstanding players leaving early. I just think it's a cancer. I think it's dangerous of scenario right now in college football. I don't know how you feel about a poll or or Mark. But I think it's a real cancer and. Yeah. Let me say this berry. And I think there's a there's a difference of opinion long generations. I clearly. I understand where you're coming from. And I was with you originally, and then started talking to some of these players and former players and they look at it differently. They look at it as why am I I'm just giving you their opinion. Here. Why am I going to blow my entire future on a bowl game that has minimal consequence? And there are some examples of players who have done that. But I think overall you do walk away from the whole reason you were supposedly there and that was part of the team. I totally agree with that. And I don't know who has control over this NCWA. Conference poison the institutions. But all I could say is this whoever has controlled it's gotta be across the board. One conference shouldn't be doing this. And the next conference doing something else. It should be part of the territory. I mean, pretty sure. Well, listen, you raise a really good point. Thank you for sharing it. Good to have you on. Jim is up next. It's so amazing. How things work out? I got in the car was so damn mad. And I mean mad about what happened was Trump backing down. Jim I try to. I will let me say you keep stepping all McCall's. So everybody, I know on that. He was is he owed Trump and believe I he's on the verge of losing the election coming up in two twenty. But anyway, here's my point. I get the car to just get some air. I couldn't stand it. I'm so mad. I turned radio, and I'm easy cube says, oh, I don't think he wears Jim Jim busy. Now. He's he's not gonna call show day. I is this amazing. I'm telling you, I don't know about. And and the guy I heard a little bit of the guy tell you what Cuba guy is tone of voice indicated he knew a lot about what he was talking about as far as Andy and your him on about it. I'm going, Jim. I don't wanna step on a call. That's all because that's all. I knew I believe they write about Notre Dame. Lobley you're wrong. I believe he wrong being think your home for today. Whether you know, the thing about the difference between the two of us, Jim and more is that we can be objective and listen to both sides. I think so Paul Marquette. I've always when I did. Call talk ball ball got totally objective about Alabama football the time you or your heart on Obama. Well, you you I've heard you say not said you together ran out. Mark got and Mike. Came. Not do know. Sure. Price smut. Julia, actually, there's so many coaches we've run off Jim I can't keep track of his name. He's such a distant memory shoeless distant memory. I think I remember a lot of our colleagues in the media Jin that wanted to keep him there upset. Oh, absolutely. Remember, we you have bad down about two weeks in a row there and finally all of a sudden bam. He's gone. He's gone. He backed his lunch is 'cause if he's gone so the two of us in Mark. I don't get into that. I mean, good. Let's don't crushing. Leading a little air. I mean the way I wish I wish you heard earlier. I finally put the guy from Montgomery and his place. Oh, you did. Can hear them? He started. I know you're Danny Sheridan talks about he's got a crack step. No, your crack staff who bashes me all the time in there in that stupid room. Put every negative about me up there, Jim ice and over and some food or sport Gazan. I mean tweets everyday, James somebody. He's he's always up there with some negative bland, John as putting those tweets on the board. I don't know John said he doesn't do it. Yasser some clean male in there. Ago. Back tomorrow. Okay. You answer that question. I've always wondered who who's in charge of the tweets. Well today, it's a Miami. Hurricane guy seems Joey yesterday where where the negative room here. Oh that was wit. Yeah. With is not like you, Jim. On the show. Yep. That's why they Mark their to all needs to get back old team vicars and company that Smith. Rock rockfall, get his assets, you you'll have a team if you get Johnny. No, you're right. You you round up Vickers. Johnny Brock and Pat Smith, and we've got a winning combination here. The knockout punch is all not. Not by the way. Jim, I'm like Trump. I don't I don't like to fire people will you will you handle the two guys in the other room for absolutely that's easy. You know, I can crush somebody. But anyway, back to Trump. What is he's underway? Seriously. How bad is it eight back down? We know what one thing about politics. I'll give you this without getting you can never get you could never met. You can never make a snapshot judgment on a single day. Because in today's news cycle by next week's one hundred things will have happened that this will not have much important. But what about here's what the kick or all of it, all, and you know, I know, you know, what I know is good bad or good bad press press day, but bad press when Schumer comes out standing behind, you know. He he owned the no names here. Jim we got what's wrong with that? All I can say Jim I'm trying to look at it from. Shoot actor's name Huma when he comes Jim, Jim. I'm almost say is because we got. Quote, what he said, I know what he's headed on. Let me finish. He said Trump. I hope learned his lesson talking to like his high school principal. That's going infuriate the base where. Okay. Well, that I'm gonna if you you need to listen to me yesterday because I saw it coming. It's it's it's pragmatic politics. And I'm gonna tell you today by next week. This will not matter when Paul listen, if you want some more Notre Dame games, a Gaza board the hell out of you meant to listen to me, you better go and talk politics again, Jim, we're not. Hit. He and get on ESPN is. There are thousands places. Everyone else talks politics. We don't. We had to go to a break Pala judge. But we we are back with much more Jim solving the world's problems right here. Live listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Mike is in Virginia. Hello, mike. Welcome to the show. Paul. How are you doing great? Thank you just wanna call and a big thank you for taking care of idiot man from Montgomery. Yeah. He he made a five himself today. We'll that's nothing to do with him. But not trying to bad about the guy. I mean, I know he's alone time, caller and everything. So as him, but you know, you kinda put him on the same level. Yeah. Listen, I appreciate his many years of service. But at some point, you just have to have something new say, yeah, I know I've done service the country not for your show. But I know he's doing he was a marine, but I was an army did airborne. And matter of fact, I was no I don't I don't want to be disrespectful to I I'm, but I don't think he was a marine thought he was in the service marine. I could be sadly mistaken. But I don't think he was. But here like that. He was he was definitely not know. So you were in the army you said the army airborne one first Fort Campbell. How was I was actually stationed were station, but TDY down and fort Rooker down below Montgomery saw where eat at. Oh, sure. I was a one to the bene- fort Rucker to the era sell school back in the eighties. When they first opened your school down there. I don't know if they still have it or not been a while. But with that being said, you guys need to take your rep poison to clips next year not Alabama because I'm Bama fan. I had this. I I'll admit it kudos to Clemson for one. And that game the way they did it. But you know, what would make talking about the rat poison the media or the sports media should see spe-? And and everybody else put, you know, Alabama and. High pedestal low on beatable unbeatable, and I I don't know who so more Alabama players or the Clinton players bid. But I think it really push pissed the Clemson players off. But you know, what I think you're right. And they just there quietly watching it all listening to it all and that's what I'm saying. So I need your help putting okay wh- guard work on how great Clemson is about that. There you go. You wanna SPF staff? Tell tell them about how Grady Clemson is. And let it let the Alabama player seal. Great to hear from you. Mike. Thank you for your service. Andrew in Virginia Beach. You're on the air. Go right ahead. I'm I'm curious. What was the Genesis of right in the middle of critical conference play the big twelve and the SEC just throbbing in a weekend tournament of some kind. I would think that would just break. You are you are echoing the majority of the SEC coaches who who will dare to speak out. Most don't like it privately. Some just go along with publicly. It was really an effort to take advantage of a couple of things number one the weekend between the championship games in the Super Bowl. It's not the most exciting weekend. I mean, the Pro Bowl is out there the senior bowl, but it was a weekend that that that ESPN which is a partner had a lot of television time. And I think more so for the SEC to promote the brand the big twelve has got a pretty good brand. And it just started a couple years ago. It's generated excitement what exactly doesn't mean? Good question. Aren't Auburn and Mississippi State fans just livid that they're not participants? You know, we s I think he has ZIM this question because it did you have LSU as I think L issues out of it too. Aren't they? I think what they do is they go off of. Yeah. You base it on a couple of years ago the bottom for do not get in but not last year. But I think either maybe the year before the year before that and by the time you get around to it. It's already changed. And you know, he's probably not a fair indicator of the SEC because the SEC has more schools in the big twelve so you four more. So you had to figure out a way to to leave four out. Well, thank you trying to make some sense of by the way. I mean, I it's it's all about PR and branding. I think it helped the SEC last year because they won, but the coaches grin and bear it right in the middle of the conference schedule. Having get ready for Kansas or West Virginia or someone else's a little bit distracting. Thank you for the call Levi in Missouri on the air next. Go right ahead. Fall for doing good. We are. Thank you. All right question. Why I'm not real sure why we have to buy weeks next season. It's a calendar quite frankly last year, the season ended earlier this year that championship the national championship game. I don't think it's January twelfth. And the Caesar first weekend. I believe falls inside of August. It's just a matter of. How how how the schedule falls? I think thanksgiving plays a role in that as well this year. It was early next year. I believe is late pushing the SEC game back coaches life coaches, like the double by by the way, it everybody health it what it does though is from working from television standpoint, it's a real challenge for the network though for ESPN and CBS because you get an extra weekend. And you lose you diluted the quality of the game. So you have to spread would normally is thirteen gay thirteen weeks over fourteen as a fan of college football. I like it because I always to see the season then, but I'm not sure I'll like it next year when we're dragging along. There was some miserable games to watch. I had another. I five Mizzou place. Five home games in a row. I think that's really going to benefit benefit them. And in the long run that is a break. I mean, the the schedules can be quirky and the SEC works really hard to to make it equitable. Sometimes it just doesn't work. Hey, thanks for the call preciado it very very much. We are flat up against the break.

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The rise of Payton Pritchard and other early Celtics observations

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The rise of Payton Pritchard and other early Celtics observations

"This is the winning Place podcast on the clns media Network the leading online provider for the NBA's winningest franchise. Welcome back to the winning players podcasts, Brian Raja KO Pina Rich Levine for games into the season. The Boston Celtics could easily be open for they could just as easily be three in one and but two and two feels about right we'll get into all the highs and lows of the first week of real basketball game Bureau of Mike pleasure to have us all together again 17-point come back last night in Indiana. We're doing this on Wednesday morning on Wednesday big bounce back for the Celtics after losing that first month because the Pacers a game that they should have one beer up. Let's get let's get a reaction from you first. What do you think? Yeah. I mean that was I want to say a dangerous situation for the Celtics of the gate when you're four games into the year, but Jayson Tatum played forty minutes in that game last night like Brad Stevens won that game beginning of a five-game in seven years. Stretch and so letting another one slip away after the first one and then he slipped away and saying that it was clearly our priority. So if you're looking at just this first week as a whole and you know brassy was trying to figure things out with this roster. I think you just you have to start with with paying for it right here. I know it's the man of the hour. I mean there was a couple of things that went well for the Celtics and that come back but I think when you are looking at this roster right now, there's very few sure things right now, but quickly Mike Payton Pritchard has turned into maybe the most reliable player on the bench for the time being. Is that is that a fair assessment? I mean we were talking about this in the preseason, you know, the one of the questions you had Rich was is uh, I think it was like is Peyton Pritchard or else you're going to play more minutes or something like that something comparing those two players and I was very bullish about Pritchard for no reason other than I don't like Jeff Teague and Pritchard. I mean he plays with such Poise on both ends knows where he's supposed to be. He always keeps his dribble alive. He looks like a little Steve Nash when he kind of dribbles underneath the basket trouble with these super patient super perceptive about where everybody is he can shoot which is really valuable and he isn't afraid to let it fly and like honestly he's and he showed this in last night's game when he was kind of spearheading the comeback. He's like super fast off the bounce like he was like a blur from half court to the rim on one dog. Cherry Crest up. I forget who might have been Justin holiday who just completely was shocked to see this dude go that fast and finish with the layout but he also like in finishing basket through contact a couple of times drew a couple of fouls. He looks really good. And I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing that he was in the in the in the clothes line up a little bit of both. I think Rich. Yeah, You said a little Steve Nash. I see a little Gordon Hayward to in the way that he could help the Celtics, you know, just just the way that he can get into space the way that he can set guys up and one of them one of the coolest parts of last night's performance and you talked about the shooting like which is which is legit, but he he was over to from three-point land so that that was a game where the three-point shot. Okay, so it wasn't working. He only took two or three point shot wasn't one of his weapons law. He still went ten 5 and 5 and like you said keyed a 17-point come back. So for for a rookie playing hasn't even played five games in the NBA. We're going to try to stay State keep ourselves on the ground wage. Talking about him, but you know, they the the the the book on him was that he was ready to play in the NBA after a four-game a four-year college career and you can they he is not disprove that like he is ready and and things maybe we'll change a little bit when Kemba is back. But for right now, he's a guy that that Brad Stevens can count on and like I think you said be robbed there are very few guys off the bench that that we can get that about and for a rookie to just play his way the rotation like this under Brad Stevens. It's like what are the players who have done that in the past? Smart Brown? Okay. I mean even Brown I Feel Like was kind of and now the rotation at times early on in his rookie year. So giving me a number of draft picks that this others have taken in the last five or six years and you know a lot clearly the book is out in a large number of do a lack of opportunity, but for someone just to come right in and be ready to go at a time that team desperately needs something that any dog And kind of certainty that they can find given the the one-dimensional notice of so many guys in this roster right now Mike. It's like it's at least that's one thing through the first week of season that okay. We nailed one of these pics like check that off the list. You know, it's really interesting. He is twenty twenty years now twenty days older than Jayson Tatum. Yeah, I know which is it's insane. The wild stat. Um, you know, I I we're kind of I think we're going to talk about some negative stuff in a little bit and part of that is the starting lineup and the two bags in the front Court, which has really hurt on both ends. I mean, do you guys think that at some point Richard can kind of squirrel his way into that starting five assuming that camera is not going to be out there for too long check out Boston Sports Journal, this morning Wednesday morning drop-off dropped the payment should be starting bomb already. I mean that's it makes sense from I mean Richie brought up like the kind of what would Hayward did for that group as just you need someone who can shoot wage you can kind of probe the defense with his playmaking. He takes a lot of pressure I think off at Tatum and Brown from creation of standpoint and gets the ball moving and defensively. Yeah, it's not going to be pretty but I think the offensive upside could outweigh the defensive deficiencies, especially with that group when you can kind of hide a little bit sure at the very least he competes on defense, right? You know, he's I don't know. Is he a negative? I mean, I wouldn't say as a plus but is he a negative? I think it depends on who you're playing. I think you can make you know, there's I think the instincts are there and that's going to help against certain teams. I mean and I don't know if Brad seemed is already going to throw him against Myles Turner in the post then like to me it's like preacher might be starting Wednesday night against the Grizzlies when they're you're not facing double Biggs and it makes sense to go smaller. Anyway, Deadmau5 Tire looked pretty good. By the way these last two games. Yeah. Yeah, I mean no he he did like he's putting the ball in the ground a little bit more cuz he has to his on the perimeter basically always and Thursday is maybe the I don't know like he might be the best shot-blocker in the whole league right now. I mean, I know he's like leading to statistically of an absurd amount total wise but not really but now he looks I don't know like I don't regret not trading for him at all. But he does look pretty good. I mean, he's like clearly not as good as sabonis who the Celtics game triple teaming on every possession in the second game after that. He did in the first one but by the way sabonis is like turned into jokic like he's a legit threat to get a triple-double every day. He's bombing three pointers that and I don't know what is rate is right now, but I know it's it's it's it's Leaps and Bounds above where it been the last few years. I mean he is that's that's an all NBA player. I think we're looking at maybe not for certain our first steamer. Is in the conversation? You know it is he is the like Eastern Conference Nikola jokic in that he's like a slave exactly what he is beautiful. It's I mean that that's probably like one of the best value contracts in the NBA right now, since they got him locked up, I think at a what by around twenty million dollars a year last year, but I mean they did the Saudis did a much better job on him last night. And would you want to go into the I think we should kind of pigeon office or double office string lap to discuss. How about Mike how much longer are the double bank's going to last here since in my mind, like it's it's a good idea on paper ties Thompson defensively. It had not worked yet. I think disease defense of those two on the floor has been you know, you're doing 120 points per 100 possessions and in 45 minutes together was twenty-five which and Thursday if it's not going to work against a team, like the Pacers that have like to do a Biggs then I don't think it's going to work against, you know, when you're playing small-ball power forward, so How much longer would you guys kind of role of this group or do you kind of pull the plug preemptively and start experimenting with Richard or whoever else? Yeah, I mean, you know what say we don't want to talk about to the Grizzlies game is tonight. So some people might be listening to this after the just like big picture. I don't I don't love it and again present us in a tough spot right now, But like listen if you're talking about a fifth starter javard, I did look horrible when you when he was out there during during the preseason. I know he still Javonte green you might measure out I think with what we've seen I think as time to experiment with something else. Yeah, I mean you look jovante for that. Maybe I mean he's good when he his histories and he hit I think one that I saw last night off the top of my head. But yeah, I mean statistically, you know, it's very early. They played the Nets the Nets are incredible offense. They play the Bucks and incredible offense that just set the record for 3-pointers in a game. The Pacers are a good team. I think they're you know, especially with the depot looks like a max player which he did in the third quarter last night Tuesday night. But yeah, I mean like statistically so that's why and the small sample size when Tristan Thompson is alone at Center or went ice is Elan at Center. The defense is like top five in the NBA. It's like it's a very good defense defense system asking but you know, that'll come around it. But like when the two bags are there like it just I I honestly wonder if it's more like a like Brad doesn't want to Upset Tice type of thing not I don't know like our neighbors for all the pigs like you don't have enough exactly and Rob if you if you don't start Tyson Thompson 2107 care as much about getting robbed keeping Rob happy. Exactly. Well, you want to keep Rob Williams engage that's that's for sure. So he knows where he is at all times. But but yeah, like it's it's a really just doesn't look great in the modern NBA like, you know, I know they have two games coming up against the Pistons wage. It seemed that really is huge in the front court and really can punish you on the glass. They can't really do anything else, but they can do that. So maybe you stay big there knowing that you'll still probably get to double used one would think but like against it seemed like the Raptors who they play on January 4th. It's like you're not going to you can't be big with those two guys that makes absolutely no sense. So I think they've Have to downsize in that situation. I don't know if it's pretty sure don't know if it's de'vante. I don't know if it's Grant Williams who like I mean the Grant Williams thing and the rotation. I just don't understand still I understand what you just said dear AB about, you know, trying to get minutes for everybody but like that dude deserves minutes, I think so, I don't know who it is, but they should you know, one of those guys needs to be the backup 5 and in my opinion, it should be theis. I think a lot of these problems still stemmed from the fact that this is kind of an underman team right now and I was thinking about it like watching the Pacers the last two nights like if if you were and we talked about the same time A lot of times during playoff series, but if you were going to do like a player draft from The rosters from the Pacers in the Celtics rosters, like, you know, whether it's a bonus goes ahead of jail and probably I don't know you probably the top Thursday would be Jaylynn sabonis and Tatum then after that it's a lot of Pacers. Yeah be a steady stream like these teams the other teams that they're playing just seemed deeper just better think the top-tier talent the Celtics out of those two, but then after after that like it's a lot of the month or the other team's players that that would be selected ahead of Celtic's right now. I mean the Pacers literally just ran it back there came like there's not even a new body in that rotation right now which month, you know, obviously they've benefited from early in the year with the continuity Factor, but you're right rich. I mean this is when you you lose Gordon Hayward and you replace them with a rookie that is not able to place and these different stories a week perspective goes and yeah, that's a demo and Campbell exactly and then you replace cabin with Jeff Teague who has forgotten how to shoot after opening night. So that's I mean, maybe we should talk about him a little bit. But yeah, it's a situation where Brad Stevens is is scrambling he has to you know, they have this tree exception they're going to use it, but they're not going to suck. Until February at the earliest probably so at this point it's like, okay so we have but also gets wins and a pretty competitive Eastern Conference. And so I'm balancing those two things is a work-in-progress obviously, but it's something we're from maximizing what this team has right now. Like I feel like you said like a price And Thompson, I think went ice plays power forward. It neuters the best out of what he is a player and especially if he's not hanging fries, which he none of them ever. Look closer to yourself. Like, you know, you figure out maybe I don't like him shooting through this right? And so that's just a bad word is a bad version for the spacing. It's bad for Tatum and brown in the starting five in terms of they're not they're seeing extra bodies and they're not getting the rim without being a crowd. So at least give those guys a better chance to be, you know, leading to the office if the defense is in there for Biggs. Yeah, he shoots series as a fact. It feels like a like a bonus right? But when I start shooting threes at the four feels like a necessity and that's not a that's not a good situation. So go ahead and make some really good know. That's a really good way to put it. You know, I think this team I don't know if it's going to be with the trade exception. I don't know if it's going to be with Kimba coming back and being home. I don't know it probably won't be Romeo Langford, but like on those on those situations where there's you know, Tatum on the floor without Jalen. It's like the defenses are just downloading up to stop Tatum. And I mean, this is what it is when you're in all NBA player you get double-teamed you get you know, the back line Defenders on the strong side every single time. There's no driving Lanes when he does Drive. I feel like he shies away from contact sometimes which is really why his free-throw numbers aren't great. He settles a little bit with his shot selection and off he has the utmost ability to hit basically any shot he wants but some shots. He takes are still really frustrating. So like I feel like if there's one more player that you can put in a lineup like that say a plane Like Gordon Hayward not to say they're they're script not to say they're screwed without them but a player like that you can take a little bit of pressure. Let Tatum work off the ball a little bit more can score a little that can can kind of steady the offense they need that type of player badly. I don't know how they're going to get him. Maybe again. Maybe it's, maybe it's the trade exception but those lineups are just getting obliterated in in the past. They were really successful there anything either you guys can point to to to why Tatum's assist numbers are back down a little bit like like like 3.3 is it but missing shots is about the fact that he's just not surrounded by as much talent on those those times when he's out there without Jalen. Yeah, I mean, I think that's a huge part of it. It's and I think the offences are able to key in on him more ticking away passing lanes that may have been there before since now like, oh now you see two bodies there, but the the the help is rotating over to take away that first passing Lane and so I know it's like when you're out there with I want to bring this up suck but fruit frustrating standpoint when you're out there with like semi ojeleye Javonte green and like Grant Williams like yeah, like it's it's hard enough when you're in the future man itself when the issue probably feels like it's like freaking half when when lineups like that or out there so we'll see if it's like they're going to go up the energy crew now Mike where you go just go. Hey, what's go Rob Williams Javonte green Pritchard for Boss calling with Tatum and like just let those guys like try to like create some havoc and create some maybe transition two spots. But other than that, like the the passing lanes are just going to get smaller and smaller dog. from I feel like yeah, I mean it's it's tough to watch. I mean we should like highlight the fact that even though Tatum hasn't been super efficient just like he's on the top of like the leader board or basically everything, you know baskets two-point baskets three-point baskets. He's second and shots missed which is you know, that's not the greatest debt. It may it is taking a ton of yeah, right. So I think a lot of that will come around for him and you know playing again, like they've played three playoff teams three really good teams three defense has that are I think like especially the the Pacers defense is just like it can be locked in and super versatile the Bucks. We note the box. So and the net statistically have been really great so far and defense so like I think things will even out a little bit more. I do want to see Taylor. I have been surprised a little bit by Tatum just like the free-throw number. Nothing more than the the I'm not really too worried about the assist numbers being low because I think like he understands that he has to score in those lineups bought a lot of the time so and like also Jaylynn has kind of upped his playmaking responsibilities in a really hopeful way which is really good to see em. So yeah, I'm more about the free throws right now with him cuz like he should be like leading the league in scoring right now. Honestly, like he should be way up there if he got to the line a little bit more than he has but like dead-on place where you know, when he drives to the basket and there's a shot like, he's one of the least efficient players in the entire NBA right now. I think Jeff Teague is the least efficient player in the NBA on drives that end with a shame but Tatum like should not be down there. It makes absolutely no sense. And so that's the kind of that's like the part of his game that I want to see get a little bit better. He rubbed at the same see that he's trying to avoid contact when he goes to the hoop. At times and I don't know maybe it's just I mean when you're facing Myles Turner that makes some sense given how his shot-blocking has been so far this year. But yeah, like I think that, you know going to the rim over and over and over like over 72 game grind is hard when the others are asking to him to do as much as they are on both ends right now. I think he's what like leading the team in rebounding by far and you know taking risks regarding tough Wings because they're the Celtics have you know are playing big so he has to chase around faster guys off. And so yeah, like I think that might have been like Tuesday, I guess spacers we saw okay, like he just started putting his head down and second half and granted great things happened, but there is a question of like a pretty tough to pull off night in and night out when you're when things are tough for you and other parts of the game too. Cool piano, there are two two guys. I want to talk about before I move on. I'm going to present them both you and you can Take your your choice first. We got Marcus Smart 42% from 3 shooting fewer than five a game. That's nice to see Rob Williams again, you know not consistent had did not play which game was it that he that he didn't play. Was it a Christmas I guess in that respect. Okay, but again last night we talked about Pritchard, but the comeback I thought was triggered by Williams finally getting out there in the second half Marcus Smart or timelord Pina take one and run with it. Timeline let's talk about time. Would you know you just kind of like see when he's out there why he's out there with like his ability to cover especially on the defensive and his ability to cover space his just pure athleticism. There was one play where he he looked like the fastest big man in NBA history on a rim run last night where it was Jalen or Marcus just hit him in stride for an easy dunk and then the next play he like bulldozed Victor long for an offensive foul trying to do the same thing. But like he's super fast super like he feels like he can block every shot right now, which is like one of his biggest weaknesses. He leaves his feet contest long twos and just gives up the paint. So like a lot of it is mental with them. A lot of it is, you know, he gave up the the bucket to sabonis and that first game The doubleheader against the Pacers the go-ahead bucket. And so it's just like it's mental mistakes when he when he when like his legs know where they're supposed to be. He is off like an all-defensive Center when he's just like jittery, which is probably fifty percent of the time he's useless. So if he can clean that up like the sky is the lawyer for him physically, but like I don't know if he's ever going to clean it up. Yeah. I know Brad Stevens didn't really want to comment on that that last play with sabonis in the in the first game again Cindy thought that that was timelord timelord method based on how you reacted after the play. Yes. I mean it was I don't think it was situation where like Grant Williams being in the game and that spot. She took a smaller player like you got caught flat-footed too. So yeah, like I think Rob was not in a good position like letting sabonis get to his left. It's a number one thing you don't want to do in that spot and Bake Off. Rob Williams is a position for that and you know Blue by him and Grant Williams. So I think there is clearly a communication issue between him and green on that play. And if if history is any indicator, I would imagine that Rob Williams was the guide full so but that's again the fact that I don't know like that play looking. I mean, it's good that sounds like you you put Rob Williams in that spot in crunch time and things like that, but at the same time it's pots like that like you're paid Tristan Thompson ten million dollars to be here. You know, this year's even if it's Rob Williams game like in that kind of a spot like put Thompson on the floor for like So to avoid gaps like that essentially I was going to say it says something about the state of this team that and not messed up situation. It's a miscommunication between Grant Williams and Rob oil, right that's causing the trouble like that's the state of the Celtics right now. 20% and so it's I mean, I don't know too many fasting might like when you were both you guys like With if Robin Williams can you know you don't want to take away his notes right now, but like you said like are you going to is it reasonable to do at ice Thompson Rob Williams rotation, or is that going to be a situation where you know, theis is going to maybe be dealt if but even if you do that that would scare me because Rob Williams is getting heard fat. Can you even afford to move ties and like and have the trusted in in time were to be the guy that you that they the Saudis obviously thinking can be I mean like there should be a line up with Grant Williams the five so I do look like yeah, I think it is definitely too crowded wage. I just really like I really value what Tristan Thompson brings to the table like The Celtics have not had a player like this. I like don't even like when was the last time the Celtics had a player like this? Honestly, like I can't her young early career like Percodan Prime. 2008 super solid post Defender good pick-and-roll. Defender can go up to touch can drop can protect the rim a little bit and then obviously on the offensive end like wage screens are cement and he's like one of the best offensive rebounders of his generation and he still has all those about like, he hasn't lost a step at all from those times when they were going to the finals with the Cavs like that's evident amini is attacking the offensive glass like no one can box them out. So I just had a lot of like respect and appreciation. He brings to the table and I want him to be on the floor a lot. So like, you know, I I also really like, you know, what types does and I don't want to seem like insult him too much but like yeah as the odd man out on a team that's young and developing and you know, you really see the ceiling there and the upside for Rob Williams and you log To get out there too. And you want minutes for him. And you want Grant Williams at the v a little bit maybe like I just don't know Tice like I don't know especially if they're calling like the seal fouls like that was part of what happened to the table. Like, I don't know his trade value plummeted by 20% after those calls. Yeah. It's like if you if you told James Harden, he's not allowed to euro-step any more if they started calling travels every time off Harding trollhunter break like that. It took away his number his number one weapon Tristan Thompson leads the league Tae Bo Jarrett Allen with 17 offensive rebounds, not a game 17 total offensive rebounds this year off what you were saying? 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Where do you think that they they rank among top? NBA Duos? I think I think LeBron and AD are probably one, you know how much it pains me to say that and I'm not talking about building. They are one they they're the one in to the top one and two player in the league are probably the best combo. Yeah, so and I'm not talking about for the future, you know when I'm not talking and I'm not talking about like an MBA song. Were you just playing two-on-two? I'm talking about if you're Start If you're trying to win this year with two guys as the foundation, where do you where do jail and Jason Rank and I think LeBron James easier one and I'm not going to rank these other ones, but just say whether they're ahead or behind the Celtics Duo, I think despite Paul George's struggles quiet. You put them ahead of jail and adjacent. Yes. It was. Okay for now. We will we will see how they how they hold up. But certainly with what we've seen so far off do it was ahead. Correct Westbrook and Bradley Beal probably not now. No, I need to get one. That was below. Okay. Here's an interesting one Yom. And Jamal Murray. This is an interesting one. This is an interesting one, you know, I was just jotting down a couple that came to my mind as the best in the league. I think I would probably take yo get you in Mary. I think over Tatum and brown right now just because I mean jokic is maybe like going to win MVP this season. Did you see that? I get up and Nuggets record Mike right now. Do you check that? Twenty-three. Yeah, that's not married. Not married no more than a joke married. Yeah. Mary didn't play last night. He's got a messed-up elbow. He's been I mean Marines went looked looked really bad their season and that's cuz he's been hurt but like jokic is just you look at like the assist combos. We're like one teammate assisting another teammate and it's like the number one. That's this combo is false service of each and then the next 4 R like jokic and one of his teammates like he's just like on another we always talk about how he's like the the best passing like Center of all it's like I'm just say he's like the best pastor in the NBA. How about that? Like, that's just what he is. He's the best pastor in the NBA 13 and 1/2 assists again shooting forty percent from 380 per month on the line. It's yeah, so so I think on the power of yogish, I think you gotta probably go with that with that combo. How about you mean bam? I mean based on last year Jimmy and Bam overhead again, that might not be last beyond this year. But in terms of a head-to-head spot, I think you have to give Jimmy Advantage. Okay, then there are there are two more and I'm not going to put damn and Siege. I mean I respect those guys. I'm not going to put them in the conversation. I would take Tatum in jail and ahead of those two months free my I went to yeah to yeah, so the other two are Simmons at embiid, I think I take the Celtics combo again individually your matchup Simmons or indeed with another star May different conversation, but I don't love that combo together. Yeah. I mean, I think they demand Browns record in the postseason versus those guys. I'll take get him and brown. Okay then Yiannis in in Middleton, I think maybe the power of guys in Middleton. I mean he is he's a pretty complete player these days. I mean you went from just being a great shooter against the Celtics to really and all around wage. Who when Jonas is in in there is a clear-cut number one. I would probably put them head as well. Can I can I throw in another one? Actually, can I throw up to? Yeah, it's kind of interesting Brandon Ingram in Zion Williamson. Ingram is so good. He can get you can get a shot whatever shot he was at any time on the court. It's amazing to watch. He's very similar to to take him except Ingram gets to the free-throw line and Ingram dress vowels like out on the perimeter like in ways. I don't understand why Tatum doesn't it's almost like defense Defenders like They respect Tatum shot. But like they're not up in him. Like they are with Ingram or Trae young or like it's so weird. Like Tatum's is taking like I don't even know how many threes like forth and three pointers this season and and guys just are letting him shoot. I don't know. It's weird. I don't know if it's a that's a really interesting one. I don't know if it's a length Factor, but it seems to me that that Ingram has that sort of Jonas ability to like take one step from you know, in between the three-point line or even from the three-point line just get to the rim that we don't see from from Tatum yet in terms of games of the foul line. I think that's could be a big outage. But yeah that that's an interesting one. I think I would take jail and adjacent ahead of those two guys this year. Yeah, I would agree. Who's the last one? Just no no, no love for Zion. I mean Diane is not there yet. He's going to be there but like that's like give it like maybe a year or two, but I think Tatum and brown put some respect on what they've done the postseason and I mean the the Pelicans had a chance to go to the postseason in the bubble and they completely fell on their face. So like like did they need to the seats for now for I don't Luv 53% from the foul line. Oh for two from 3 this year and again, like he's he's getting his still like and and I have it down and so it's it's available because he is fourth in the league and offensive rebounds. So he's you know, he's doing it and and basically yeah, he has a piece and a league full of absolute Beast. He is home among peace. And and it's it's good to see I'm glad that he that he's starting to put it together and who is the who is the last Duo that you so I know we're like we're dragging. On here with this this question, but it is a really fascinating one to me. I actually have to I want to throw you guys to more radio Donovan. No, not Rudy and Donovan, no disrespect, but now they they don't crack the the list of intrigued for me. The next one I have is Lucas and Chris desperate Angus. roof I want to see Chris snaps is coming back this week right this week. They said they said the first I thought it was the first two week. He just practiced for the first time. So I think it was like the first two weeks of January. He should be back. He's eminently returning. Okay. I want I want to see I want to see him a little bit before I jump on that. I mean this yeah Luke is going to have the overnight engine act in that group, but I still don't like until we see porzingis. I still like, you know, Jaylan much more than porzingis in a playoff setting. So give me give me Tatum and brown. Interesting. I think I'll agree. Even though Luka is like Far and Away the best player. Yeah, my last one. It's just because I wanted to say their nickname. I don't know if you guys have heard it but sex land I was hoping you bring up the concepts in and yeah context and Darius Garland just like mm. They're they're the two most efficient cleaning the glass the two most efficient players and the entire NBA right now on a points per attempt ratio, which is I mean, I don't even know what world we're living in right now, but that is that is true statistic. So like, you know, I'm obviously kidding around but I and I wanted to just say sex land and I love that nickname suck but they exist. So I just wanted to shut them out. Yeah, I watched that double overtime game against the Pistons for for gambling Reasons. I'm embarrassed. It's like you're a sick out. If it was Faneuil wasn't I wasn't I had Drummond cuz I wanted him at the homecoming against the Pistons and yeah, man Sextons got a little campaign him, you know a little like little little bit more Flair than Kim but he does a lot of the same things and and garlic and set people up to and I think he had like twelve assists in that game. I there's still the Cavs right where no one's that worried about them. But that's a that's a that's a backcourt for them. No one said sabonis and in Victor, I don't know if we want to. Yeah. Well, it's not going together Beyond this year. So yeah or Brogden Brogden. Yeah, I was about to say I didn't like the the second best player in the team. You might be he's in East like when you think that he only got what twenty million dollars a year in that deal last year. Like that was what like the way you the best deal that offseason to get him locked up put that he who's better Malcolm Brogdon Andrew Holiday. For all our bucks listeners out there, right? Like holy crap. What was I owe for the you know, you know the soldiers could use right now. I'm not to open old room, Sexton would be pretty nice in this roster. Oh, that's the Kyrie. That's the Chiropractic. That's well. Well, I'll just let that happen right. Give us an observation we can we can move on. All right. Well, this is actually worked out well for Here's an observation the Celtics string of like brutal draft what continues here with and that's in terms of pics. They they could wage like a year or two late like the Kings had this great season, you know two years ago see his got stuck with the 14th pick missed out on some appealing me in front of him and then fell back down to Earth last year's this time around who is falling back down to earth this year. Looks like Memphis Memphis Jackson Kurt ja Morant unfortunately bum ankle out for at least a month. They're wanting to and they're probably going to be going downhill in a hurry. That's and that's that's maybe that's the worst team in the NBA be like without John Moran and Jarren Jackson. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess it's I mean a lot of things have not gone right as long as but I don't I'm think if you like ran draft if you ran these projections like a hundred times for these teams, you know, and the Celtics pics possibility job. Last two years like they got like the 9999 like worst percentile in terms of like the scenarios based on like the directions these teams have gone in the timing of when the song ended up arriving. That's all I so that that's that that that's I think it's going to stink for a little bit for everyone wants to kill kill daddy in the front office. Like there's so much luck involved in all this, you know, everything off. All you can do is put yourself in a position to have the the chips fall in your in your favor and it just hasn't been the case. Yeah, you know I thought you were going to go in a different direction. I thought you were going to just crap all over Romeo and these myths there but I mean it's too early to Thursday. Yeah, I mean, it's like it's a situation where yeah, like we'll see you in a nuisance has and and Lankford has but like even then like, you know, not picking $12,000 could have gotten my caliber in or something like that like literally like we know they tried to move up and they couldn't because they're just kind of spot in both those straps where there was like a bit of a cut-off feel like Yeah, I'm right now call Anthony who is selected one pic. After Nesmith is the p e r leader in the rookie class right now and running like like what you watching Magic games? He just looks like yeah, I've actually watched all of them. I don't really want to talk about it. That's going to be good for my accessory. Yeah, one of my one of my first columns for SI is going to be able to Magic Soul watching other games. Yeah. No, I mean call Anthony. He just he looks like he's been in a league like five years and this is just like who he is, which maybe that's not a great thing. Like they give it to him when he comes off the bench and he runs like I don't even know he's running like 20 pick-and-rolls that game it seems like they they just like give them the ball and let him go and he's really not shy away with a shot selection and he has a green light basically to pull up from wherever he wants whenever he wants but like he he looks like a professional and he's like a really big strong guard defensive. Oh looks fine. And I don't know he's like getting minutes and playing for a team that I believe is undefeated the magic undefeated think so for now. Was any of the easiest schedule in the league so whatever but but yeah, it's it's you know, it's it's very early and I don't know what Cole Anthony would look like on a team where he's not getting them any touches off. But yeah, he's playing and he's myth is not what you talk about him looking like a pro. Does anyone done a deep dive, you know from a journalistic perspective of these guys who were raised by Pros like wage bonus and and Hardaway Jr. And Anthony and it's such a game changer, right Mike that's you're done initial as another one really is dead play in the NBA. No is dead play professional baseball Disney. Oh, I didn't know that that's pretty cool. Yeah, you say I'd say that's your that's that's your next article picture SI for February may have to push it any more. Mysterious is a staff writer. Yeah. That's that's a beauty of that. He's doing it then. Yeah exactly. What what you got Mike wage. And yeah, I guess like we've talked about Jalen a little bit. I want to talk about him a little bit more. He just looks like he's made a leap off and a lot of it is I think some you know, some mid-range shooting that some pull-up mid-range. It'll probably come back to earth a little bit odd, but like he just looks like the definite All-Star that a lot of people were expecting him to be eventually and so that player has arrived and it hasn't really, you know affected his defense that much. He's still super versatile. He's guarding sabonis for stretches last night. He's attacking the basket and like finishing and drawing fouls and he's been super efficient. He hasn't even really been hitting us threes yet, but those will come and you know, you're talking about the dye. Dynamic Duos like the Celtics are the only team in the NBA with two guys who were in the top ten in scoring right now in jail and and Tatum & Jalen's been the efficient one and you know with big concerns about his game has been playmaking but like you see on the floor like he'll come down off of white pin down and he'll get to like the free throw line and instead of pulling up every single time which she stole like probably like 75% of the time he'll quickly survey the floor and find a three-point shooter and he's made some ridiculous passes that you just haven't seen from him. I mean, he's tossing soft lobs. He took the Tristan last night. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Jalen's evolution is like critical. I mean when you're a team that's like capped out, you know, you're bumping up against alleged attacks the guys that you're paying the max or the near Max really need to continue to evolve and Jaylen is evolving. That is absolutely critical to the Boston Celtics winning a championship game. Anytime soon. Yeah, I said you can you talk about you know how great he's looked and like but like you pointed out he's also shooting 64% from the following shooting 26% from 3 months. So he does have a he's going to get better like those you would like to think that both those those numbers are going to percentages are going to pick up at least a little bit. But yeah, you let you down only five turnovers Jayson Tatum's turn the ball over 14 times and four games. Jaylen Brown was turned the ball over five times. He's protecting the ball. He's finding he's finding guys. He has many assist him. It's it's great to see I don't think any of us are surprised by it this point but like you said, it's something that needs to happen and it's great to see it happen. Yeah, I think the numbers you reference to a great Point Ridge from from the standpoint that like yeah, he you wouldn't even notice that he's had a bad start three-point shooting because he's doing everything else that well and so and he's not lying on the 3-point shot as much as I need to cuz he's getting to the paint and like Mike said making these these great passes with position. So to me, I think this is another reason like I think that's version of Jalen defensively to is him guarding up as opposed to him guarding, you know faster guys. So I think for me that's another reason to like go smaller the starting 5 months to just unlock that like the best person to jail in there. And then you also get the benefit of like bigger guys trying to guard him and him, you know, toasting them off the dribble. Yeah, career-high free throw a career-high assist rate his p e r previously had never been above 17 right now. 24.3. I mean he just there's been at super early but like he looks like someone who like might be an All-Star starter. Honestly, that's not his profile looks like right now so I don't know if you can sustain a lot of it, especially the shop making but I'm more like in June with I mean, I agree with everything you said the defense facility gardening up as opposed to guarding down is really good and some of the lineups of Celtics are playing right now. That's that's a necessity especially if they start Peyton Pritchard down but but yeah, like the playmaking is what I continuously come back too cuz for him to actually be like that upper echelon type of NBA player. That's what needs to happen. You have to make your dog. Better and he is so far. Yeah, and I said one thing about him. I don't know if it's a battery of him guarding up is that he is committing a lot of fouls this year fourteen personal files, which is among the league leaders. It can be it can become an issue with him. Sorry. I'm very large stuffed up. I hear my nasally every time I speak but he sang green. No, that's not true. You don't you don't have to say that but yeah, so I mean, I don't know if wage if that's going to potentially get him in some foul trouble and get him off the court or if there are things that he can do to adjust or maybe it's just for games, right? Who knows but you see him committing all those personal files and you wonder what might be able to change to help him stay out of foul trouble, but that's just nitpicking. Okay, so my next observation we can we can make these last ones quick markelle fultz and and and P and I know you've been watching a line. I'm glad that you have been because I'm fascinated by by what I'm seeing from him. He went under twenty under twenty points a game with Tuesday night's performance. But averaging about 6, I think is at 18 points six assists basically Monday 3% from the foul line. I think which could be a glimpse at what might be happening with his shot in general maybe what could happen with this three point shot. But are you buying what you're seeing a local folks? Have you watched all those games this year? He's so weird to gauge because it's so hard to separate him from being the number one overall pick what I mean? Yeah, so long as separate just like looking at him as a guy who deserves the contract that he just signed and should be a starting point guard. I I am buying them. You know, I said already like Orlando's played the easiest schedule so far. I think they played the Wizard's twice. They play the heat on opening night was a weird game, but he's getting wherever he wants on the floor like when they run high pick-and-roll with him and vucevic or him and Gordon or him and Ken Birch or whoever he'll like he's able to Slither his way to the rim and he's finishing and he's drawing fouls and like you said Rich he's making his free throws, which that was it was like a charade every time he went to the free-throw line when he was home. Sixers like he was doing weird stuff. So for him to mentally get there is huge for him for this future for the Orlando Magic. I I'm back. He's also like as opposed to someone like Ben Simmons markelle fultz is willing to take pull up three like when Defenders go under the table and stayed you that's like that's the scouting report. He will pull up and he's not really making a ton of them right now. He made a couple last night against the Thunder Dome, which is you know, they they were able to pull that one out. I I don't know like I I like I like I like his game right now. I like the way he's playing the confidence. He's playing with his athleticism is through the roof. Yeah. I'm buying markelle fultz and I like that like, you know, you started to feel bad for him a little bit like you said just to keep going to the foul line off. You're such a disaster. I like that. The joke is no longer going to be on markelle fultz but it's on the Seventy Sixers, which we could all agree that the world is better with the jokes. I'm Philly. I mean, I think I mean this isn't really much of a false but with the magic as a whole for a no-start very bad news for the Celtics for magic protective because there's a lot of young guys on that magic team that fit very nicely into the trade exception and none of them look like they're going to be available with the magic play their way into being a legitimate East playoff time it and I can I quickly settle your nerves be robbed with juice dad's number one again. They've played the easiest schedule in the NBA. Maybe that'll like home, you know, the fact that they have the easiest schedule for the first half of the season will prove to be their their benefit and to get Point like maybe never turns around for them. The other thing is 47% of their shots have been either 3 years or at The Rim which is like basically like wow. Since the three-point revolution has started that's like a ridiculously low number. Like I don't the Spurs are like above no ones below fifty percent there below forty eight right now. So they're hitting shots. Then Thursdays are just not they're not going to fall for for very long. So I think like they're the fact that they have the fourth best offense in the NBA that's going to come back to earth. No doubt about Terrence Ross is just like a walking. He just kind of know what's going on there. So I think that they will have some Growing Pains. I mean, they not having Bamba not having Isaac like they they're playing some guys who are borderline NBA players and their rotation. The spacing is really messed up, you know, they could fall back down to earth that would say well I'll believe it has our resident magic expert here. This is I'm in rabbit from this too, but I want everyone dead. To 30 seconds. We should wrap this up the Celtics. We haven't talked since the Celtics were officially put on James Harden's list. And where's this others work reports checking in on that which could have happened probably two or three months ago at this point, but based on how things are at with Europe. You've always ready to talk about Jalen and off and hardened like what where is everyone sat at with this right now in 30 seconds or less can it happen without giving up Marcus, Angela? I think it could technically if Jalen keeps looking this good. Oh, I thought was like for Monday maybe that that they needed to to have no you could you could probably make it I mean it gets a lot harder with Marcus not involved but I think you could you could probably find a way to be together either way. I'm going to Michael I think maybe this is so tough cuz like the way I'm starting to view stuff like this is like if you do trade for Harden like this is the trade-off right? It's the odds to win say the odds to win the championship with hardened for Jalen. Let's just say are they go up from 5% to 15% off over the next two years and with Jaylin over the next four or five years or whatever the odds to win the championship never rise to 15% That's kind of like how I'm viewing it right now. And I'm just like throwing stupid numbers out there, but I think I'd be able to get what I'm saying. Yeah, so it's like do you want this short-term Spike? And then I you know, the wheels could really fall off afterwards or are you really confident in jail and continuing to evolve and get you over the top and use the trade exception and you know, etcetera etcetera cause I I would not want to make this trade cuz I I love Jalen and I love just you know who he is what he stands off or how valuable that type of player is in the NBA and there's a part of me that just doesn't trust that hardened and Tatum would really urge jibe, even though if they did jab you'd have like the most Unstoppable postseason offense in the NBA. So it's it's a tough one man. It's a tough one. I would talk myself into it about 2 seconds, by the way, if it actually happened, but yeah, I think that's true, too. My answer is no unless heart is picking up that extra year on this deal. So you get them locked in for for third year and you're also get more stuff from Houston a PJ Tucker beyond that Jalen's looking too good to to sacrifice out long haul but it's just I don't think this is going away. I think hardin's not going to get moved any time soon. I think everyone's going to kind of see what they have around the league. So it's going to be fascinating to see how that plays out. Your fax number is for that for that third season for that last year. Yeah, like forty-seven million 47473. That's me just where it's going. It's very it's going like home. It's that's that could be okay value will see. All right, and everyone's anyone out the last one like might have one more but I'm not sure. Yeah, I have a i real quick like a league-wide observation. If you aren't watching the San Antonio Spurs on League Pass watch the San Antonio Spurs cuz this is exactly how I've always wanted them to play or at least since you know, they moved on from Kauai. They Loki have like one of the most intriguing young Kang in the NBA LaMarcus Aldridge is just like not one of the first or second options on offense any more they play completely different than you probably remember if you were thinking about what from watching them in years past. There's so much fun. I love them. I want to say I don't want to say that they're going to make the playoffs but I want to say that they're going to play in a plan game. That's how that's how much I loved. Right? Keldon Johnson is legit. He's ridiculous. I never really ridiculous. I see he's afraid he was a first-round pick. I don't remember ever hearing of him before this season, but ma'am. He impresses me every time I watch him. I don't know if you leave us. When do the Celtics play them? They played in the first half. Lucas I don't know but I mean take off your Celtics exceptionalism hat for a second be robbed. I mean Jesus like just watch the Spurs playing the game. They're not going to have a bunch of national games. It's going to be it's it's it's it's tough to say but you don't have League Pass. Come on be wrapping your ask yourself right now. The Celtics have five games in seven nights here might you want me to take my son off the Spurs play the distance like like I mean, but I might know cuz you you are offering a pretty tempting case here and went and when coach pop has a Spurs playing awesome basketball. There's nothing better to offer. So like listen, I mean, come on. It's it's it's a joy, it's a joy New Year's Eve New Year's even watching this person. Let's let's like like seven now. I got a contract. I like it slowly Walker cut his hair he did, right? He did. Yes. Yeah, I mean I didn't like the hair but I don't like that. He that he lost his his identity like that. But he's playing pretty well, too. It's good to see. Yeah, he did it for a reason. You should Google why he did it if you haven't seen already, but Lonnie Walker like one of the most athletic players in the whole NBA. Keldon Johnson just a truck off out of nowhere Derek white hasn't even played yet. He just signed an extension Vaso screenshot day. Mary was like my favorite player and yeah vessel and it's so weird like cross if they had Halliburton. Oh my God, I would I would have a Halliburton swears Jersey like show to me tomorrow, but that's what baffles really good. And yeah, I just loved I loved the Spanish man. I've been seven players averaging in double figures that that is fun basketball to begin the year for them. Lonnie Walker revealed that he had grown his hair out since the fifth grade as a cloaking device to comb sexual abuse you under as a kid? Well, well good for Lonnie. I'm even even bigger fan. Now. I'm glad that he's that he's that he's stepping out, you know, Maddie speaking about it and you know feeling the feeling a little bit better with himself off that that's it's great again. He's he's got game and and and I think this is another big step for him, you know growing up and and and becoming a man this is really good story. Thanks for for letting me letting me ramble about that without understanding what was actually going on. I got you. Yeah, he did. His numbers are ridiculous this year too is shooting 48% from 3 on 6th and temperature game, which is has to be pretty much the Spanish people right now. It's the Spurs. There's like they're quite hasn't even played yet like getting better. This is dead. All right. Well, let's let's wrap things up there some some good spurstalk, but also a lot of good potential trade Targets on this team for the Celtics if they do fall out of the office, but in the meantime, watch them check out Mike wins the first article dropping like is it right after New Year's or we have to wait a little bit. First article should be up on Monday the Monday after New Year's. All right on the Orlando Magic. Now not on the Orlando saved you at the Orlando Magic sadly cool it look forward to it. It's a yeah, it's about Steph Curry and oh, yeah, I like I don't want to prolong the Pod but like, you know, would you trade Jalen for Steph Curry kind of that type? Nice. Yeah, that's nice of you. That's a debut topic right there. Steph Curry. Hell yeah, Jennifer stars and you I mean you and Steph Curry loves you Mike. If I remember history correctly, right? He was like, he's probably going to be spread this week this out when it comes out. I imagine so that I'll be good. We're best friends good. All right, I hit us up at wedding closed pod on Twitter off and hit Rich up at Rich underscore Lovin at my Covina check them out as he debate debuts SI. Starting on January. First name. People coming out on Monday on her big big wedding play scoop there and you get me a price she robbed and yeah, happy New Year folks. We won't like, you know twenty Twenty-One. Hopefully get better times ahead here good riddance twenty-twenty. Exactly. All right. Thanks for listening guys. We will catch you next week.

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01/24: Tennessee wins close again, but was the controversial call all that controversial?

CBS Sports Eye On College Basketball Podcast

46:55 min | 2 years ago

01/24: Tennessee wins close again, but was the controversial call all that controversial?

"Hit. It's scary. It's Thursday January twenty four two thousand nineteen welcome back to the eye on college basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss Campbell fighting and leaky black Matt norlander is here with me. The biggest thing that's happened. Since we last recorded Tennessee won at Vanderbilt to improve the seventeen and one overall six in the SEC, but it's not just Tennessee one. Tennessee was supposed to win big deal. What made it interesting how in a c one vaults were down six points with eighty three seconds remaining in regulation on Wednesday night. Then there was a flagrant foul called then vein. Committed four turnovers in the final eighty three seconds you tied at late game goes to overtime. Grant Williams, outscored Vanderbilt tin seven in overtime. So UT wins at eighty three and grant Williams finishes with forty three points, eight rebounds. He was twenty three of twenty three from the free throw line just an incredible performance. So again UT's now seventeen and one overall six in the SEC basketball fans everywhere spent Wednesday night screaming on Twitter that the. Risk gave the game to the Voss norlander. Let's start there did the rest give the game to Tennessee was the flagrant one. Call good or bad. This was no New Orleans Saints Los Angeles Rams situation by any means GP. I actually didn't love the call. The rule is in place for a reasonable for a reasonable reason. And that the hook and hold is potentially very dangerous plane has become I think it is actually what caused is it cost to to miss the rest of the instrument turnament last season with Purdue and really torpedo produce chances of making a final four run there. But insure if two guys are going for a rebound trying to get position in one guys whether intentionally or not bringing his arm over and kind of jostling and hooking and holding with another player's elbow arm. You can cause serious damage to a to a shoulder or elbow. So there is a point of emphasis this season with college basketball -ficiating to eliminate that. But in the process of doing that what's happening. Here is what we saw three four years ago when there was a point of emphasis about contact in a greater effort to get more freedom of movement and better offense in college basketball. We don't so much talk about that anymore. The way that there was some bemoaning and bitching and lamenting about that in two thousand fifteen in two thousand sixteen because frankly, and I spoke with spoke with actually a few officials about this in the lead up to the to the preseason. But really when you ever gonna have a chance to talk about on a podcast there for the most part coaches and players have adapted. Very well. The instantly is extremely pleased with how the sport has evolved. And people may recall that there was there was skepticism over whether would happen the way that it has and for the most part college basketball's a more watchable product in two thousand nineteen than it wasn't twenty fourteen in the same similar case here the hook and hold their being I would say even more ticky tack with it than maybe it's necessary, but they're doing so in an effort to eliminate this habit. From guys who are meeting under the room trying to get aboard in potential. Severely hurting each other. I thought in this case parish, do you have an argument to not call it. But I understand why they did call it. Bottom line Vendrell had few other chances after that call to win the game regulation. It didn't. And then it had a bad pass or a great steal by greatly EMC subsequently had the three point shot blocked. And we went to overtime grant Williamson goes on to continue. His James harden impression and makes like seven free throws. But overall Vanderbilt didn't get screwed. I would be proud of. I was Andy fan that. I was that good in a game after we just lost areas. Garlan Tennessee's coming in. You got so many vol's fans in the building as you predicted on the previous podcast payers. They come up just short. So goes the brakes vandy, you got to kind of take it for what it is there. I don't think it was the worst call in the world. It wasn't the worst in the world. It was funny because you're exactly right. What happened is it doesn't look like it ought to be a flagrant one. Because what we think of when you think of a casual basketball fan when you think of a flagrant foul. It's like something excessive right? It's hitting somebody in the head. It's pushing somebody, you know into into the front row, it's some sort of violent act and what we saw there wasn't a violent act. I mean grant Williams like fail pretty hard. Whether that was a result of of the contact or something else. He did hit the hardwood pretty pretty hard. But it didn't look like a violent act. And so I think people's instincts are to say, there's no way that can be a flagrant foul, but it is a point of emphasis, you know, they want this out of the game and the truth is if that crew would have not labeled at a flagrant one. They would have been. I don't know if troubles the right word, but like they would not have been handle. The situation the way they've been been instructed the handle the situation if I emailed one of our bosses at CBS sports, Molly earlier today and just told her that these emails she forwards us actually helped me in realtime understand what was happening because we get and I think they're mostly for play by play guys sideline guys. So that they can do. So they can speak intelligently about certain situations in real time as opposed to me. I don't have to talk about it until after the game on inside college basketball to recording podcast or wherever, but they send these videos to us. They come from officials, and it's like, this is something that we are paying attention to if this happened we're going to call it here is why we're going to call it. Here's eleven examples of it. So that when we make this call in a game, you'll be able to explain to the viewers. Why just did what we did? And we get these weekly and one of the first ones we got this season was hooking hole. And it was like one example after another from the first week of the season. And they showed us the ones that got caught flagrante won't and the ones that didn't. And they made it very clear the ones that were called flagrant one the official screwed that up. They did not do what they're supposed to do. So I don't wanna say the officials had no choice. They obviously always have a choice. But once they go to that monitor. And they see what they saw there. They're supposed to do. Exactly what they did. It was the right call even if it doesn't look at home like it should be. I would acquainted to this. Let's say, I guess it could be anything. Right. A Bach in baseball. Like, there's a runner on third pitcher doesn't come to a stop. And the unpire throws his hands up in the air and says come on home. That's a run if you might go. Well, that's the dumbest thing in the world. They get the run because the pitcher didn't come to a stop. It might actually be the dumbest thing in the world. But that's the rule. You have to do it or else. This is what happened same thing. Here. You shouldn't have a problem with the call. If you have a problem have a problem with the rule because the call was handled. Exactly the way the rule is bit. I think the rule will continue to be officiated like this into next season. I believe that hook and hold will surface in March would be a conference tournaments with the incident tournaments, and we'll bring up the session all over again. I think the rule will eventually be tweaked to try as best. You can't see. College basketball basketball, general can be a tough game to officiate because of the fluidity of these of bodies jostling for position and where is the line between two guys battling. And where? Okay, the arm is there. And it's not there. What's that? Where's that line of interpretation? Again, they're trying to get to a cleaner game in a less dangerous game down low and they want to limit that physicality. I think early I predict that five years from now what we saw as a flagrant one called in the vandy Tennessee game will not be a flagrant one. Then I think they will leave more interpretation out their last note on this before we get to Tennessee overall remember for for people listening to get frustrated by -ficiating one. That's just accept that. That's the nature of sports. And it's always going to be think most people do. But too often get so fired up and caught up in the officiating. And yes, sometimes calls are blown. It's frustrating as hell, but it's unavoidable in every sport, no matter, what sport you're talking about in the midst of college football season. It's like, no sport has worse rushed in college football. You get it with the NBA. You certainly get it now with the NFL major league umpires get the worst rep for being era nt, and and frankly unaccounted unaccommodating, then when we hit February and March college basketball gets the worst of it. So it's all it's all cycle. But remember. For this all of these officials and all these leagues they are evaluated by superiors and game tape is looked at and calls. That were Mr. calls were made. It is a sensually point system, and they to advance their own careers, frankly to make more money to be involved in the sport is and his biggest moments. They're trying to get a Simon's and conference tournaments in the incidentally tournament a select few go onto the second weekend. And then only ten maybe eleven with an alternate. Even make the final four and the only way that you get there is by interpreting the rulebook correctly, not missing these calls. So you're going to get this happening like this because the officials even if you disagree with the call the officials want their superiors to go back and look at say, okay, because they're very aware of what happened big national game discussion. Okay. Let's let's review this. You know, what in our estimation? You made the right call here. We're not going to ding your resume so to speak for missing the call. This was interpreted correctly. And so it's a good Mark on you this season. So it's always important to keep that in mind. The officials are not trying to screw your team. In fact, they're trying to appease their bosses and keep the integrity game. Especially Ken human errors. Avoidable. There's never going to be a perfect game called by any player by any coach by any ref. But in this case, I thought it was a little too much made out of the call. It's amazing to me how how many people actually think this ref hates us. This ref. Always I mean for humans. So they're going to have coaches that they like and don't like just like, you have people you like and don't like, and I have people I like and don't like, but ultimately, you know, they are on national basically every time they work and their bosses are going to review basically every time they blow a whistle or don't runs counter to their interests and their career to ever intentionally make an incorrect. Call or intentionally let something go that they should not let go or intentionally call something a flagrant one that shouldn't be a Pfleger at one. Nobody was trying to screw build. Our key Tennessee at the top of the rankings. There were three officials they're doing their job. And again, the larger point is contrary to what you might have read on Facebook or Twitter or anywhere else. They did their job correctly. I'm not saying that there weren't other calls in other spots that could have gone other ways. But in that moment that one moment that got all of the attention on Wednesday night that got it. Right. And I think it was important to two point that I did it on Twitter and to spend a little time on it here because you know, we're we're not shy. And nobody is about. In this in this scene. They got it right then. So shouts to them. Let me ask you about Tennessee in general little shaky past couple of games. They went through a stretch where they were beating literally everybody by double digits, and that hasn't been the case in the past two games. They were at home against out ama- had to rally win that seventy one sixty eight. Then obviously, they got taken to overtime by of Vanderbilt team. That is at this moment owing six in the SEC you concerned about a morale at all. Or is this just like, hey, this is what happens to most basketball team. Nobody just beats the crap out of everybody game after game after game after game. Nailed it not even a little concerned. Not most basketball teams all basketball teams, even the ones that go into feed have an occasional game or two. And we obviously haven't had a team do that since nineteen seventy six, but we're you just don't play. Well, and we need to. To avoid falling into a trap and thinking that because at team looks awesome pretend straight games, and then place two games that by the way, it wins in wins close in that means that they're suddenly something wrong. No, you were going to have variants in your play. No matter how hard you try not to it is inevitable because you're going to face opponents that want to beat you. So I don't have any concern with Tennessee whatsoever. I still think it is clearly a tier above every other team in its league. Number three in my power rankings perish, you have them at number one still in your rankings as you have for. I think like it's bordering on a month. Right now. It feels like so. Yeah. I've actually got the count. It's thirty on Thursday morning. They were number one of the top twenty five and one for the thirty third consecutive day. Yeah. Impressive stuff, and I know Valls fans probably been lapping that up and living that up ever since. So no, I do not have concern. And I thought that with what happened in the vandy game actually could prove beneficial down the road. Don't know if it will. But I think it's helpful when you win a game. Like that Admiral Scofield has his worst game of the season grit. Williams has the best game of his career absurd. Going twenty three of twenty three from the foul line. He jumped from eighty one point five percent from the free throw line two eighty four point four this season in one game three percentage points, practically unheard of. And becomes the second player ever to make twenty three of twenty three and a game. I played at Oklahoma. Dudes name was Harlan. It happened in nineteen fifty nine which is kind of perfect to me, frankly, so Grimm leaves just knocking on the door of a record and crazily enough like John. Rant did twenty one for twenty one over the weekend Lovie see record for grant waves to do that. Like you almost never get a player. And I mean almost never having to go twenty of taking at least twenty shots in a game in making all of them. It's happened like seven eight times ever in college basketball. So we've had to Winston's of that unless than a week that was kind of freaky. Sometimes sports can be really really fun. But no, I very little concern. And I think that Tennessee getting that kind of performance at a great Williams. It gives them a certain amount of confidence to even more. So how much of a leader GP how much of a? Just a term that frankly doesn't fit that. Well, but he is go gator like when they needed him to be on the floor and making the plays. He did it just about every single time. I love watching that dude play. I would put him third now in my player of the year power rankings. I'll actually have something up on this Friday. But I'd still goes on one. I'd still go John too. Because what he's doing overall? I think he's the most valuable player in college basketball. And then I'd have grant Williams third. Dumber. Last night broadcast. I'm not trying to pile on anybody like ice speak on live television weekly. And I'm sure some times I'm going to say something that I wish I could take back. But as grant Williams got this stretch going of like free throw after another after another. He gets nineteen nineteen and to be Deitz with color analyst on the game says, you know, you just don't see this. This is got to be the most consecutive free throws anybody's made this entire season. And it was like John Moran. Literally did it last week? Like, he just did not know. But I thought that was one of those things it was a pretty big headline like John ransom. I play to do this for you to do that. So just like unfortunate deal. He was talking about it like this is unprecedented. So far this season in Jamaran done twenty one Twenty-one one like again, just just last week either way on grant Williams. Last night. We were in studio, and John Osdene said something like winter people can start talking about him for national player of the year. And my answer was like three weeks ago because. About ago, set Davidson I were in studio together, and we were asked to name our national player that you're at that moment. And I went with grant Williams over Zion. And I don't even know if that's right, but that is certainly reasonable. He was the SEC player that your last season. And he's better in every category. Phil go percentage up three point percentage. Way up free throw percentage up rebounds per game up assist per game up blocks per game up steals per game up points per game up. He is the reigning SEC player of the year who was better in every single way in every traditional way, we measure a basketball player, and he's doing it for the team that's ranked number one in the country. He would be. Right in the conversation for national player of the year right now. And I think have to be a first team all America right now. In fact, in this just off the top of my head. But if we were going to do five would it be John Moran? RJ Barrett Zion. Williamson grant Williams Dietrich Lawson like is that what we're looking at. I would put Marcus Howard over RJ Barrett. But it would be close. I would actually put Marcus Howard at five cashes at six and RJ Barrett at seven and the only reason why put RJ that low is because I still taking a big load and taking little bit away from him. Michigan state's been insane. We'll get to them just a minute Cassius. Winston as having an awesome year. He's also up a lot of statistics categories. And I still think Marcus Howard with what he does how he shoots it Marquette's only got three losses. He so much of that team. But you can make the argument for RJ's. Well, it'll actually be interesting to see when we get to the end of the year if he's leading Duke and scoring if he actually because of that works as and Ducasse to first team all Americans, we'll see Duke and Tennessee are the only teams that will be in that conversation. I don't think Scofield can get there. But if we get some sort of weird flip in in throughout February GP UC scope. 'field just having more games where he's the more important player than maybe. But only do Tennissee right now are are the teams that have to legitimate guys in the conversation in that top ten realm. If you're curious up next for Tennessee, it's their game in the SEC big wealth challenge. They've got West Virginia coming into Thomson bullet Rena that game's going to tip off Saturday at four p m eastern the biggest game this weekend. It's number not in Kansas at number eight, Kentucky, blue blood against blue blood. We're gonna talk about that next. But first, I wanna tell you about Seekie getting tickets online can be far too complicated with hundred sites varying levels of liability is just hard to know who to trust. Which is why seek is the way to go, especially when you use promo code college BB that's promo code college. Be to get ten dollars off your first seatgeek purchase. What seeking does is put millions of tickets all into one place. So you can easily find the seats you want for price you willing to pay as you know, there's nothing. 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They only be Texas by two then they lose at West Virginia. And then they had to come home come from behind at home earlier this week to to get by state. So they have been winning, and they're still first place in the big twelve and top ten and the people, but they have been a little shaky. I think even Bill self would probably acknowledged that. Meantime, Kentucky's won five straight one at Auburn beaten. Mississippi State the of the night by twenty one play of well these days, what do you think Wildcats jayhawks on Saturday? I'll take Wildcats here. I'm I'm finding little default Kentucky with it at this moment. Because even the guys who played more role player types for the for the team, so far Nick Richards, Emmanuel quickly, even they've looked pretty solid to this point Paris. They get the home floor. I think that's critical. I also think it's important that Kentucky is getting more consistent play on a PJ Washington. Even Nick Richards and. Kentucky traditionally had this season as traditionally all of the hall of one-season they've had some issues upfront with teams that have lettuces them in and around the rim. Kansas only has Lawson really that that presents that kind of problem now. So I think it's going to be an issue for K. You know, who knows maybe you get Grimes Dotson who doesn't above forty percent from three point range at this point in the season. Crimes is he's up and down. But he's not outright terrible. Maybe they show a big and play. Well, I'm a little skeptical of that overall. But the thing that sticks out for Kansas right now GP with me is this they're six and three in their last nine games and their point differential margin. It's in the positive. I mean, you go six and three it should be in the positive, but it's not that strong overall. It's just plus three point two and contrast that with say like Virginia or Duke like their point differential on the season is north of twenty. They've been completely dominant. So a micro a team should potentially be at least in the have not the lower twenties. If you are a true final four contender Kansas isn't there right now? They've won some close ones, which is good. But overall if you were to extract sample size. It's not a good sign that you get so many close games because you're just going to be bound to lose more. I will take Kentucky in this. This is the game of the weekend. They played a beauty of a game. I guess it's been Paris has been two or three years since they've met at Lawrence because I was at that game went to OT literally the loudest building I've ever been in was that game when Kansas beat Kentucky. They went to overtime. It would be awesome. If we've got something like that. I just don't think we will. If Kentucky loses. I'm not ready to. I don't think actually I don't think I'm as ready to detract from the Wildcats as you might be. But but to be fair to be fair if they lose this game at home to Kansas. You are going to make an easy argument over how much it hasn't done. And why the Wildcats are going to be nowhere near your top ten, but I got Kentucky winning. What about you? I got Kentucky winning the game as well. And my issues with Kentucky aren't actually with Kentucky with Kentucky's resume, and it's really not even with Kentucky's resume. My issues are like when people try to act like it's outrageous. If you don't have Kentucky in your top eight like if their tenth instead of eight bananas or if they're. Behind North Carolina. Then you know, you must be in love with Vince Carter or something like Kentucky's playing well your point about PJ Washington being more consistent. He's now scored in double digits three consecutive games. And that might not sound like much probably isn't. But he only done it once previously in this entire season. And that was in games three four and five. So he is. Still probably not what they. I guess he's not what I thought he would be in this season. But maybe not what they need him to be to maximize what they can be as a team. But he is he's been good lately and been consistently good lately. But I'm not gonna pick against a team that is playing well beating top twenty five teams on the road and at home beating one earlier this week convincingly hadn't lost at home all season. I'm not picking against them. When the team on the other side is yes, very good. But has a little shaky like we just watched Kansas lose at West Virginia. Now they're supposed to arena and win. I mean, they can clearly the basketball game whatever, but you know, put it onto my head out. I'll take Kentucky to extend this winning streak. And maybe even crack the top eight of the top twenty five and one. We'll see. Okay. Well, I wouldn't make any sort of promises. Their parents that you might not be able to keep okay? What else this weekend to us stands out because Kansas Kentucky that one for me this weekend? I think that game greatly overshadows every. Thing else. That's not to say it won't be a good week. And I think it will be and we do have some interesting matchups and at least two more that both involving teams, right? Yes. There are total of three games between ranked teams this weekend. One of them is Auburn at Mississippi State. We're gonna talk about that. Nick. I check this out looking to win your fantasy baseball league in two thousand nineteen. You know, what you need a daily podcast. That's what we've got for you with the fantasy baseball today podcast from CBS sports for wrapping up our coverage in January before we record a new show every weekday beginning in February. Subscribe to the fantasy baseball today podcast and dominate your league. Hey, y'all Simmons. I'm chip Patterson. We are the host of the cover three college football podcast here on CBS sports. The national championship game is in the books, but there's so much college football unpacked Barton. I'm excited about what we've got for the people in two thousand nineteen this right? My favorite time of year. And yes, it is national signing day. But that's not what I'm talking about the coaching hires. We get to grade the press conferences can't wait to break that down for you. Also, spring practice can't buzz coming up all the optimism out there. We'll break it all down. That's right. We'll be having great guess what we have in great analysis, and you can get all the five star content by subscribing to cover three college football podcast on CBS sports. Find it anywhere. You get your podcasts. Auburn that Mississippi State on Saturday night that game's going to tip it at eight thirty eastern sixteenth in the people. But as you've noted the Tigers our own for against top forty Kim pom team their own for against the four best teams that they played meantime, Mississippi State twenty-second the people, but dogs are two and three in their past five games. This is one of those where it's not must win for anybody. It's January basketball game. But both these teams really do kind of need to get a win here. If only avoid a loss, right? Perish perfectly put need to get a win. If only to avoid a loss because I think taking the loss for either one of those teams either one of these teams would be problematic one because Mississippi State loses all this game, probably qualifies quadrant to. And if that happens, Mississippi State would be five and four against quad to opportunities. Auburn's foregin squad one five and one in quad to this is obviously a quad one opportunity for them. And they still you could make easy argument that the five toughest match-ups. Auburn his face this season. All of them has resulted in losses now. No Austin Wylie for this game as well. It changes the dynamic of that team. I think greatly without him on the floor. But it doesn't matter if you're gonna pile up so many losses. This election committee is going to show no pity on you whatsoever. I would even argue that a loss here for Auburn. Even if it's understandable really puts the Tigers for the moment in the here. And now we're getting ready to wrap up January right in the thick of that bubble. And we're just we're not quite there were just about getting to bubble type discussions seasons. A little bit later on the calendar this year, the normal. So really we can maybe wanna hold off until February before getting too deep in the weeds on who's on the bubble who's not. But Auburn is trending the wrong way. GP I will take I will take the Tigers to win this one. I don't have a ton of logic behind this. But I do think we're going to have something of an interesting weekend. Because. Kansas kentucky. There's not a lot of marquee games on Saturday Sunday. It's got a good one. We'll get to in just a minute. But I think we're then as things normally can go you'll wind up with a few surprises and Auburn coming off some rough losses here. I think they'll pick them off mostly because I trust Mississippi State less than I even trust Auburn, and I don't even have much reason to trust. The tigers. King palms got a projected score of Bisa be state seventy five Auburn seventy four. So it's basically a coin flip situation. Auburn has lost straight at home to Kentucky then at South Carolina earlier in the week. So if they take a loss here that say a rare three game losing streak for them. In fact, they haven't had one obviously this season even have one last season. No games in a row last season. So try to avoid that meantime, I think you could reasonably argue it might be more important for Mississippi State because it's at home, but a noted has three of its. Pass five games. And after this the next two games are at Alabama and at omiss. So you lose at home to Auburn you're going to be an underdog at Alabama probably going to be an underdog at ole miss probably you could be looking at a stretch where if you don't win either of those and you lose Auburn. Now, we're talking about a four game losing streak and also a strict what you've lost six of eight and when you were top twenty five team our top twenty five team right now, you don't wanna be on any stretch of losing four in a row. Six of eight Mississippi State really needs a win here. Just to kind of break. This thing up. You know, I agree now how about all miss because they got a game at home here against Iowa State, a huge opportunity for Kermit Davis's team know, they've dropped what two or three GP Iowa state's got way more talent. Now, they haven't been consistent. I would say I was state has been among the most promising frustrating teams this season in college basketball because you've seen so much of what? Can do. It's lost some games there. I'm gonna take I was state in this one lyndale waking is due to have a really really good game. I think he's going to have this one here. But make no mistake given Terrence Davis onto Schuler, and what that ole miss roster can do I think that it will show well of all the games on Saturday that are involving ranked teams. I think that I know you just mentioned that the projection on the previous game is only one point spread between Auburn and Mississippi State. But I think that this one has the best chance of being the closest game. Because of the way each of these teams play I was state has made a habit, by the way of playing some close ones again. So I took off it on the road. And I'll take I wha stayed on the road the line isn't out yet as record this podcast GP. I don't have come up in front of me. I will blindly guess I'm gonna blindly guess the score a little spread. So I will say Pomeroy has this. I'll say seventy seven seventy four ole miss how wrong Emma, I not very he's got it. Seventy three seventy two seventy three seventy two Iowa State. So no he thinks. Yeah. Okay. Do you agree with me? Are you gonna take all miss? I'm gonna take ole miss and don't you ever again start listing omits players without saying FRANZ character Bree and Tyree. I I was leaving that leaving that for you about jeez. Bringing diary from you, can you can watch him this Saturday against Iowa State or on Sunday on HBO. I'll take ole miss at home. I'll take Mississippi. So I'll take the to Mississippi schools at home. How about that? I'll be a good citizen of the magnolia state. Did you know we're in the magnolia state down here? I did. Okay. Good citizen of the magnolia state. And I'll take Mississippi State at home over Auburn, and I'll take ole miss at home against Iowa State. But I will say I was state almost one at Kansas earlier this week. So they're clearly capable and almost one in two since it got ranked in the people got own out at home by LSU. And then got assassinated does collusive so they're not they haven't been playing well lately, perhaps that changes on Saturday one last thing before we get out of here. We'll turn our attention to Sunday. The big one is number six Michigan. State at per to that tip is at one PM eastern. You're gonna be able to watch that on CBS sports. That's America's most watched network, America's most awarded network. It's the network of stars produced won four straight and seven eight just one at Ohio State, which is on a five game losing streak, by the way is this where you think Michigan state takes its I league loss, man. I thought parachute. I thought Michigan state was gonna lose at Iowa on Thursday. And it was a close game through about thirty minutes of game action. The Michigan totally pulled away. I'm going to say, yes. Because that's a great building Mackey arena. They're going to be so up for it. That will be a tremendous watch the first Sunday without football in good while Ravi in the week in between conference championship games in the Super Bowl. So Michigan state Purdue is the premier event in sports on Sunday. I would argue and quick just a quick thing. Michigan state. You know, it got a big win. Louisville. Also was able to hold serve at home at NC state on Thursday night, critical win for Louisville in that I think now it's got real insurance. And I mentioned this the previous podcast. Just gesture the cardinals and Chris Mack they're doing really well. And that is developing into a very nice resume. Michigan state, though parish the more. I watch this team the the more. I think that it's got a real shot at I feel like we mentioned on three or four positive that the big ten is inevitably going to have like someone's gonna come with four losses. I don't know if she can say it's gonna lose four times in this league. Now play Purdue got the mission game on the road. There's still a lot to. To go. But they are so well rounded, and they don't even have their full roster yet. Josh Langford is not back. Okay. When he comes back, given how good of a defender is it's going to take Michigan state to another level. This team is so much fun to watch on offense in Iowa ranked as a top ten efficiency team going into that game against Michigan state and the Spartans just pulled away on the road. It was extremely impressive. I've got him at four and my power rankings. And I can't make a case to put him over Tennessee, really Duke or Virginia right now. But I don't think the difference is all that much. What Tom Izzo has been able to do with. This group is really impressive already mentioned cash twister LeRoy in this episode. So some respect to Sparty who is looking different at this point in the season, the normal, and I say that just in terms of how good is on offense. Don't know how much of that game. You got to watch. It is Paris his birthday. I'll get to that at the end of the podcast. So if you were doing other things with the family, totally understandable. But I had. To give Sparty a little bit of love for what they did at Iowa. I do think they'll get picked off against Purdue. I think it'll be a good one. If they don't though if they win by fifteen like forget it maybe they're just gonna run away with the league. But but right now, it's hard to be more impressive with them than I already. Yeah. They outscored Iowa in the second half fifty one thirty two they were down at the half. And then they run away from them. A fifteen point win on the road against the top twenty team. There's real value there right now after everything updated. It can palm their fourth in offense efficiency, sixth in defensive efficiency. And Jay Bilas. I'll give him credit has been on this for a few weeks. Now that people are undervaluing Michigan state that everybody's talking about championship contenders. In the conversations are centered on Duke, and for Jinya, and Gonzaga and Tennessee, and rightfully so. But just make sure that when you're talking you've got Michigan state in that conversation. If if everybody didn't agree with that. I don't know after the Spartans dropped to five with losses to Kansas and Louisville. You probably got to agree with it. Now because I believe the winning streak is at thirteen eighteen and to overall nine oh in the big ten and Kim has them projected to be a favourite and every game going forward and has them projected the finish eighteen into in the league called up even the game at Michigan. They yes are projected to win sixty eight sixty seven at Michigan. I I would think that that will not be the betting line. I would have to believe in less. Michigan really takes a step back here that they will be the the betting favorite when it's time to go in that one. But we'll see you again, if state just rolls Purdue Purdue, which by the way, six losses, but nonetheless rates top ten Ken palm team in really a top twenty team across all the metrics. It can it can certainly pull this off. Are you going to take the home team? Are you gonna roll as Sparty I'm gonna roll with Michigan state? But it is important to point out. Like, you did like produced thirteen six the record doesn't look great. But one two three four five of the six losses are two top thirty five Kim pump teams, they got a lot of losses, but they've played an incredible schedule, and they really haven't outside of Notre Dame on a neutral. They really don't have a bad loss on their resume. It's for junior tech on a neutral. It's at Florida state. It's at Michigan. It's at Texas. And it's it's at Michigan state. And so this is a team that is better than its records. Yest-? It's team. I actually have ranked in the top twenty five and one even if they're not in the top twenty five poll, and the reason is because they've got a quality resume right now. Again, only that one bad loss, lots of losses, but only one bad when all that stead Yemen. Take Michigan state on the road to improve to Tinto in the big. So before we get outta here. I wanted just to to make note it is not every year where we wind up actually podcasting on GPS birthday, so happy happy forty-ninth to you. I hope it's been a very good one so far, and I know you've got a fun weekend planned ahead. So or forty two, but I will say the other night in Chapel Hill, we went out a couple of us, and I don't even know how it happened. But somehow we ended up in a pretty elaborate conversation with nother group of people. That's not usually how it works. When I'm like, outwith other writers, we sort of all stick together and talk about who we hate. And why we hate them. But somehow there was like a man, and maybe maybe two couples. I don't really remember. It was one of those nights. But so I'm talking to this lady. And can't remember what she was trying to tell me or why she was trying to tell me. But at some point she said, yeah, you know, you and I are about the same age. I was like, oh, really how old are you fifty three. And I was like. I said we are not about the same decade younger than you. But didn't appear that with that is vintage I was just curious as we wrap up. And I know I'm gonna let you go don't worry. But I'm I'm wondering, I don't think we've ever talked about this on the podcast. And I know you tend to be a shrinking violet about telling stories, but I do you have beat in high school, college or hell, maybe recently like a birthday that was just downright disastrous for one reason or another one of those bad birthday stories, or no, I don't remember a disastrous birthday. No. But I also don't make a big deal out of my birthday. I don't either. I agree. I. It's I don't make a big deal about it. Like, I'll never bring it up to somebody obviously with Facebook. Now, everybody knows if you allow them to know when your birthday is everybody's gonna know what your birthday, and so you're gonna get all these text messages and all these Facebook messages, and it's all sweet. But it also kind of I don't need people to tell me happy birthday. I don't get like you. Remember, the the Ron bail? Josh pastor thing like some of that with Frick. Right. That would never trigger anything in me. I don't need. I this is clearly where I project incorrectly on other people. I assumed that other people feel the way I feel and it makes me like a not great friend. If if my best friend in the world. Doesn't call me for a month. I don't assume that he hates me. I don't assume he's a bad friend. I don't think about it at all. I just I'm just like we're all busy like when we see each other. We'll chop it up. And but like, I don't need like sometimes people feel like, well, I haven't talked to so and so on a few days, I need to call them because that's what friends do, and I guess that is what do, but I don't need it. I don't require it from another person. So I don't ever give that to other people same thing. And this is my point with Facebook. Happy birthdays on a daylight today. Like, there's like a million people friends some people, I don't know ex-girlfriends, like happy days, epi, birthday, whatever. And and every time it makes me go. I never wish anybody happy per to ever. I don't text message somebody until I'm happy birthday. I don't I mean outside of my mom. My dad, my children my wife. That's it. I don't. Jump on your Facebook page to tell you happy birthday. And I wonder if there's people out there going, you know, I wish this guy. Happy birthday every year. And he's never even acknowledged my birthday. He's a terrible human, do you think that's happening? I don't care if it is not, but as part of the social economy, and that's just kind of stuff I don't like to. I I don't even barely use Facebook anymore period. But it's because of stuff like that. I can't I can't keep up with the birthdays. I can't keep track of all this. But the one that you you're on. Fortunately, you're putting a damper on the one thing that I was going to say as we wrap up the podcast here. I was gonna say, but his parents are saying he doesn't care about his own birthday. I was going to tell the listeners. Listen, we love that you have been devoted. You've spread the word the audience grows by the month with the podcast subscriptions, again, we thank you so frequently because we are so appreciative of you. And for those of you that keep listening get to near the end of the podcast. And frankly, we know what you do. Maybe there's a minute to go. And and you just kind of bail out go to the podcast page and. If you are not subscribing subscribe. But I think most of you are leave some reviews actually trying to get us two thousand reviews, but the night of the national title game that's less than one hundred needed. There are way more than one hundred people listening to this podcast right now that haven't left a review bump it up. Do it for Peres birthday. You can say you're doing it for parishes birthday. I don't even care wish them happy forty ninth on their. Let's get the Ford. Hey, it's okay. Just I'm on a roll here. Let me go. Let me go. Let me go. Get a nice reviewing five stars. We appreciate all you've done. And I just wanted to get that plug in at the end just switch it up. That's my birthday gift to you. So you don't have to go through the usual. Spiel I'm asking on your behalf. Just leave a nice little review. Let us know what you think. Hopefully, good things. And again, we appreciate it. You gotta get out of here though. It's late like go go. Enjoy your birthday. I don't even care if you do it alone. I have a six AM flight. Do you realize I walked in my house tonight at six forty five and I will leave my house at four thirty AM. I will be homeless OB less than eleven hours. But you're going to have a good time. And we're going to save that for the next podcast. I hope you come back with a decent story or two. I know that you will. But will tease that. Okay. You need to get you need to get ahead of this. And hopefully, you have a wonderful wonderful weekend. And on that note. Let's just decide this. I like when we actually scheduled a Steph out in real time on the podcast because I have no idea what to expect. Are we thinking like? A late Sunday night pot. Or you think in that day is going to be so jam for you that we're actually going to skin the rare Monday conversation. I'm just going to be completely honest with you. I am not going to sit in a hotel room on a Sunday night in Las Vegas basketball with you. So we get a knock this thing out early. Like the only game that with all due respect to everybody's playing. The only game that really matters is Michigan state at Purdue and that's going to tip at ten A M lost Vegas time. And so I figure we could not get out early afternoon. And then I can get on with my loss Vegas day. Okay. We can definitely do that. Also, not opposed to schlepping your laptop down to the sports book at the hotel. I know you're staying I'm not gonna put on blaster on the podcast. But you bring it down to the sports book you watch the game. And you literally do the podcast of there. I'm not saying you have to or that you want to. But if you wanna do that spice it up a little I'm open to it. That's all I'm saying, I consider it. But I'm leaning already toward the privacy of my own. Of my own hotel room. I don't like like I had a two and we'll get out of here quickly. But there was one time I was in LA, and I had to do my radio. From a an affiliate. Studio in LA, and they actually put me in ESPN zone in like there was a radio studio where they would do Lakers post games and stuff right outside staple center. And they were so when my bosses at my radio place, we're trying to coordinate they're like well. We'll just let him do it from the PF zone. That's stayed Studio B free. And so it's like a Thursday afternoon in LA, and I'm in the middle of a restaurant like glass in doing a radio show. And you could see all these people trying to figure out who I am. They have no idea who I am. Like, why would they write like doing a Memphis radio show from ESPN zone right outside Staples Center in these people are like taking pictures, and there you could see them like is that Jim Rome, of course, is not Jim Rome. Trying to figure out who it is. I walk out the studio they would introduce and says I felt like I was just disappointed. I am actually nobody that you care about the point the point being I don't like to have people like looking at me. And if I were sitting in sports with headphones on a Mike on people being look at me. And I I'd rather just avoid all that. So I'll probably be in my hotel room. But, but I'll read think it, and if I decide otherwise I'll let you know shelter Devon down Chester, South Carolina, Terry Teagle. He's led to the Laura now in please, go subscribe at the college basketball podcast via apple podcasts. You do that. You'll get the next episode ASAP come to you on Sunday till then.

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100: A First Look at Celtics Free Agency Options (PGs and Bigs)

Winning Plays

58:16 min | 2 months ago

100: A First Look at Celtics Free Agency Options (PGs and Bigs)

"This is the winning Place podcast on the clns Via Network the leading online provider for the India is winningest franchise. Hey, everyone, welcome in to another edition of the winning Place podcast. My name is Brian Rob. I am joined for the first time in a little bit by the one and only Michael Pina fresh off of killing it for Jake Jake you for the last fifty much the the entire log out. But before I talk to him, we have to hand out a congratulations to new pop Rachel Dean and everyone family wage and little one are doing well at home. So yes the winning winning plays Applause from like might give you words of wisdom for Rich before we get into the pod. Someone who is not a father know I I have no words of wisdom. No advice, but rich is a wise one and I'm sure he'll do a wonderful job over the next rest of his life, I guess so obviously riches and we talked about it a couple weeks ago a rich will be on on Dad Duty for the next 6 weeks. Ryan. Tony has been graciously pinch-hitting as a guest Coast as well. Mike will be able to be in as well as the off season gets going here too. But we have a we're heading into what could be a very quick NBA offseason here. You know, I think some of us thought we would be waiting around till till February or March initially when the season ended that quickly has turned off to potentially starting before Christmas, but we haven't talked to you since the Celtics season has came has come to a closed and there has been a lot of birth. But in the last several weeks about what this team should do. We obviously it was dissected Gordon Hayward trades to death here in the last week along with other scenario name is Jake us back to reality here to start. Where where do you see this team is at heading into this offseason what you know, what do you want to see the stuff house though? I didn't really know for me. I mean, I don't know if I'm in the majority or the minority or what the The Vibes are right now everything I read they usually geared towards they need an upgrade of some kind you mentioned the Gordon Hayward trades and you know packaging draft picks off and trying to add an an impact player right away. I mean really I kind of just am fine with Gordon opting in to his contract. And Jaylen Brown being better Kemba Walker being healthy Marcus Smart being Marcus Smart, and I guess so then like the number one priority for me would just be to sign Jayson Tatum to a five-year maximum contract and you hopefully you get that 50 year with no player option and you're able to negotiate that in there and then you just are a contender next season through your internal Improvement. And so I think just building around them are genes may be adding, you know wisely using your I think it's going to be the taxpayer mid-level, right like five point seven million dollars somewhere around there. We don't really know the exact figures office right now, cuz the NBA is in a tornado. But yeah, just you know, there's a lot of first round picks, so maybe you want to trade off. Up. Maybe you want to trade back into later drafts. I don't know what their mentality is going to be. They obviously need to worry about the luxury-tax going forward with Jayson Tatum about to make all the money. He's about to make but I don't really like there's nothing major that needs to happen in my opinion. Yeah, so I agree. I mean, I think that's the most likely path just based on, you know, the Hayward situation of terms of where he can't wear a buzz that was talked about by his actual last week, you know amount to whether that's just simply his agent testing the market and finding out there's not much there are weather Hayward actually wants to you know, play somewhere else be on next season if that if that happens then you know, I do think you have to look into moving him if he is not going to be around wage, you know be on next season and he makes that clear but other than that, I think your your path is the the most direct one. So I think it comes down to fortifying the bench a lot. Out, you know, you have between the draft picks and some younger players on the roster. You do have a few chips to play left and they're important ones because you're I mean the drafts treasure change. Assets runs out in two months like you have no more extra first-round picks after this draft. So would you and I feel like you for trading out for future picks. I feel that given that you know, the high school players are going to come into play in the next couple of years. I feel like he was probably aren't going to want to trade future picks for once and what's supposed to really like mediocre draft here. Potentially. Yeah, I mean that might be a tough one to swing for sure. But I just think that how they're financially set up right now. You're going to need value out of like rookie deals going forward minimum contracts and Ricky deals. So like I don't know how you hit and maximize the value on these pictures, but it would just be a real like I don't want to them to go down the same path as the you know, guerschon yabusele draft. We're home and okay. Yes, were you kind of like picking guys for reasons that are you know, potentially a draft-and-stash situation or something like that? I don't know. But yeah, I mean You're just going to need to find value with these pics and it's not ideal in this year's draft from everything that like I've read about this year's draft to have this many firsts and I draft that might not have the type of impact player right away, but they just need to hit with this draft. It's pretty important. So, let's start off the bench though, if we're if if we're assuming that the top sticks are coming back, which I think is a you know, I put it at probably between eighty and ninety percent at this point. We'll say I think the only other piece that could conceivably moved aside say a word is like a smart and I think the odds of that are very low for, you know, given how much the the front office and ownership is a is a huge fan of him. So who like this team has twelve guys under contract dead. Coming back for next year, there's obvious pieces to move on from in terms of like Vincent but beyond that like who who do you watch like, who do you want to be in the rotation next year coming back? And who do you want to be counted on and who like and what areas do you just want them to Target on the bench whether it is in the draft or free agency to like cuz there's there's going to be a roster go out there and you probably want to make decisions on that sooner rather than having, you know, too many pieces on your bench that do the same thing. Like they kind of had last year times. I yeah for sure. Um, I mean, I think that in terms of who's coming back that I'm kind of excited about to see their impact and their Improvement I think both of the home link Grant Williams and Robert Williams are two really important players for the organization in the front court. And then Grant Williams is just kind of whatever position he needs to play off. Especially on the defensive end. So I think those two are really key and then Robert Williams if he takes a leap at the Five Spot and he's just able to give you consistent with 20-plus minutes potentially and spend times where their bigs aren't playing or hurt or whatever. That's just like a huge luxury to have with his athleticism and what he brings to the defensive end. So affected about those two, I think and then I'm intrigued by Romeo Langford being in the rotation this season and I mean, it's really funny to like go back and think about that game where he got subbed in in the bubble and the playoffs and then he immediately makes like one I think he drove Baseline and the gray play the play the game is really smart play right away gotten assist. But and then he immediately heard himself and was not seem Again, so I think it was just like a really rough rookie for him. But like I'm not trying to compare him to Tyler hero, but the possibility of having a rookie on your team who can contribute in a big game is real and so, you know, the expectations aren't through the roof for him. But the fact that he was even in that game subbed in in the second line off was pretty I mean that was you have to have a lot of confidence in him if you're Brad Stevens, so I'm intrigued by him positionally and what he can bring to the table going forward particularly of Gordon. If this is his last season upcoming if this last they don't re-sign him and kind of lose him for nothing or trade him at the trade deadline or whatever. They do with him Romeo kind of coming into that spot is pretty Pretty fascinating in my opinion given his pedigree and then like like, I don't know where honestly like in terms of finding a piece. I mean, I think that they would need another ball-handler for sure. And so I don't really know if that ball handler needs to be someone who's more of a set-up guy or more of a kind of an offensive spark plug, but that's the type of Peace. One of the one of the two I think is the type of peace that they should be looking at with their mid-level if they do have a lot of faith in the young pieces that they have already in the front court and the two Williams. I'm calling them like The Williams Brothers just cuz it's like easier, but I know that they're not related but The Williams Brothers dead, so we're it is going to be so actually just wrote about looking through the point guard like mid-level market and It will be well, first of all, are you done with Brad Wanamaker? Cuz if not, we're if we're going to have some words if you are. I I don't want to say I'm done with him. Like what money are we talking? Is he coming back in the vet on a better job of the veterans room. So like I don't think he's in yet much more than the veterans been known to be honest. So it's like that he can be restricted if the Celtics want him to be home and I can't imagine him costing in in this market costing more than the Veteran's minimum. Like he's he played well, but not well enough to get like a real con serious like long-term contract I think would be interesting for from his perspective to come back depending on the other moves that they make like if they want to upgrade at that spot and add some depth if I was spread want to make a month. I don't think I would come back to Boston because I want to play right? So like what what are some names? I have a couple of names just like off the top of my head, but what if Some names that you like some guys that you wrote about who you think could be valuable in in that part of the rotation. So this if you're just looking at point guard there's if you're thinking offense first for mid-level money, I think that the best name on that list conceivably in that price range is DJ Agustin. A proven 3-point shooter who can distribute is a size liability from defensive standpoint. I can't see any team giving him more than middle maybe at this point in his career. He wants to win. So he takes a little bit less to come be, you know play a meaningful role, but he maybe he wants to start somewhere and that's not going to be in Boston, but that's probably the best name in terms of pure, you know, passing and shooting down on the list. Um, I'm not sure if that makes sense for this team though when you already have another six foot point guard Kemba Walker dead. Yeah. Well, I think it's kind of interesting to kind of tie into this conversation what's happening with the schedule going off and how fast the season is going to be in the regular season and how much teams are going to need to load manage their veterans. And so Kemba Walker is someone who I would doubt is going to be playing and all 72 games or fifty or whatever it is. I think that that's someone that they're really going to be given the money that he's owed money given what happened with his knee and the bubble in his performance down the stretch of a playoffs. Like that's someone who I'd want to manage and kind of massage his way through the season as much as possible. So I'm not too worried. If I were to sign teach it they'd be kind of like replicating each other in terms of size. And that's not what you want. I don't think DJ would be on the floor at the end of a playoff game regardless, so I'd be fine with it. I'm a fan of his uh had a little bit of a Down shooting here compared to his previous two years, but like he's just a really good outside shooter really like competent set up man. So I like that I like that pic. Can I throw a name at you? Who I don't know who I don't know if you would be available. Financially, it would have to take a pay cut but someone who recently said that he's really wanting to prioritize winning at this stage in his career and that is is one of my least favorite players. So it's kind of funny that I'm saying this but that is Jeff Teague. Yeah, he is on my left to owe them in terms of like mid-level off. I don't like I'm not even sure he's going to get a full in mid-level just base. I mean maybe he just watched like maybe you get him engaged somewhere which Minnesota in Atlanta weren't good places for that for him the last couple of years, but It's he when he would throw out Atlanta Minnesota's where you look at it and you're like, okay they were and there were all sorts of issues going on there. I guess home for him. If you wanted to talk offense. He's an interesting piece. If you want to see a guy just Diane screens visibly. He's also your man. Very fair, very fair. That's a name that yeah. I haven't been too and he's getting up there in age a little bit even though I'm older than him which makes me feel really depressed. But but he's getting up there a little bit and I was never even really a huge fan of his like even when he was an All-Star in Atlanta that one year. Yeah something about 5 a.m. Just has always kind of rub me the wrong way, but it just we're talking pure talent at 5 million dollars for one year like that's sure like Adam to what they have. Cuz I mean again, I'm just like I don't think they need to hit a home run with whoever they sign. I think whoever they sign used to just come in off like Fill a very narrow Lane of competence because I think that the the heaviest lifting will be on I think Jalen's going to take another leap. I think it's going to be an All-Star and I think that Tatum's going to take like a sizable sleep. So like the heavy offensive like I don't need this do to only Jeff need to come back to take ten shots of game, right? I don't so that's the kind of guy. You're right. That won't be stealing shots from the guys you want like he can shoot but he doesn't necessarily want to shoot he wants to pass first which day works here. And so it's in for before you go in the morning. It's like I think the more interesting thing for me in terms of like where you want to use this money heading into free to see if you're the Celtics Is like I don't mind Marcus Smart the point guard either and so part of me wonders like okay, if you're bringing another point guard then that kind of pushes Marcus off the ball more on offense are mean, you know, you obviously it's never bad to have multiple ball-handlers in the floor. But it it pushes them a guy like Teague would push him away from primary Paul Haley duties name is on the floor and I'm not sure I want that like with like I would almost be just as well being like all right smart. I want you going back to running the pick-and-roll and send them guys cuz you're pretty good at it. Wouldn't that was your main focus is but it is at the same time. It's nice to have that flexibility when you know, when you're you said when you're managing Kemba to have the extra pure ball-handler that you know, if she can slide in there then you can keep smart coming off the bench if you want, but I have two other names then that are kind of different skill-sets, but are functionally similar positions one would be Austin Rivers. Who I don't know. What's up player option for him? The max the max Austin Rivers, I you know, I I like his I don't know what his markets going to be in his situation coming out of Houston and he played a very specific type of basketball the past couple of years and it would be a very different brand in Boston, but he's a bucket getter really good 3-point shooter or pretty good 3-point shooter and like that's someone who can play off the ball game has a lot of experience playing off the ball and minutes with James Harden and I don't know I I like I really liked him the last couple of years with you soon as closely as I did and like I thought that it was a mistake Mike D'Antoni made not to close games with Austin Rivers. I thought it was one of their better like what he does for you dynamically is really important and he's dead. A pretty solid defense like defensive player who gets after it. He's not a bad Defender by any means so I like Austin Rivers and then also someone who's just a little slider but a really good shooter and can come off pin downs and stuff and and can you can play Marcus Smart at the point guard spot and have him handle the ball a lot is Langston Galloway. Yeah. It's just a really good shooter and you can't have enough shooting in today's league. So that's someone else I would I would look at and see kind of what's going on. The way family over football is back. You might not be at a game this year, but you can still be in on the action at BetOnline been online is going the extra mile to make sure you can get it on everything imaginable the season from game spreads and total team player and coaching props. Been online gives you more options to wager than any place online. You can get it on their season-opening bonuses today and start off wagering on wind vision and Championship Futures as well head to bed off. 9 today to take advantage of all the great sign-up bonuses BetOnline your online Sportsbook experts. Yeah, that's really good. You know, if they don't find that shooter, you know in the draft, I think galway's is a very logical fit in terms of just having someone to defenses have to pay attention to which this team really hasn't had off the bench in a month or you know, they've kind of turned away from it since the the reality is Does does Reggie Jackson have anything left from what you watched the Clippers? in the postseason I don't think Reggie Jackson is like washed up by any means. a good buy-low Target You know, it's kind of an indictment that and maybe it's not fair to Reggie. But the Doc Rivers after the Clippers were eliminated said that the number one thing they needed was a point guard and then I think Kawhi Leonard Echo the sentiment basically like someone who could get the team in a functioning offense in a half-court set and run actions. And so like I don't know how you view Reggie Jackson. I mean name is nominally a point guard. So it's a little bit of shade but at the same time he's more I think been more Score first because we shoot first guy wherever he's been writing and I think like but I mean like he's like he's an okay shooter and as a spot-up threat, he was pretty good with the Clippers after they got him. I don't know like it's something about the shot selection and his understanding of where he's at in the hierarchy. I don't think it would be a good fit. That's a guy who could take would be steal you away shots for the guys. He'd one. I think like if like him a Jordan Clarkson who I feel like is going to get mid-level money to Utah could bring him back. But that's the kind of guy that I think they'll stay away from knowing that the offer as much as he's going to help you in certain games. She's also going to you know, keep Tatum and Brown from averaging twenty two twenty five shots and night on certain points, which I don't think the seats want from BC though. I mean Jackson for sure like there was your boy the last few Glory Days of BC basketball was liberated Jacksonville Florida and it feels like ten years ago cuz it was so that is a very sad. All right. So that's those are like the offense first kind of backward options defense-first mid-level guys off. Most of these guys are restricted. Kristen doesn't really make sense. I feel like unless you're moving out for smart for some reason which I don't see happening cuz done I love them so much choice, but I agree. It's just it's, you know smart at the end of his career first jump shots, you're looking at a 30% three-point shooter that really can't do much else and I don't think You know, that's enough of an upgrade on the Wanamaker to pull that trigger. What? Michael Carter-Williams another Orlando guy kind had a Resurgence down there again, you're not this is a this is a strictly a defensive pick up but I do think the Celtics could use, you know, another guy like this for the right money. I don't think you'd pay a much more than the minimum to be honest, even if that I may be dead be your only offered but he did seem to kind of break down in Orlando after a pretty rough few years around the league and it's he is a Massachusetts native. So that would be fun if he if he want to come back here, but I'm not sure there's enough opportunity from here to do that. Yeah, not a huge fan of that. My you know, I think it's more just like he reminds me so much of what I like his ceiling as a player is kind of what Evan Turner was a few years ago Brad Bradshaw get me here then because that's what I'm saying is like then just sign Evan Turner, right? Yeah. So but yeah and that I don't think that that's in the cards. Maybe it is I don't know but not for the mid-level but this is not funny. I kind of I kind of feel like yeah, Michael Carter-Williams getting in the mid like I don't know who would pay me. He needs a guard who can't shoot still like yeah. I just I feel like I'm surprised if he gets over to Vin minimum from anyone like maybe he'll get like a two-year six million dollar deal from you know, some team wants like divided up their mid-level or something like that. But even that seems like a good size rep, but you get I mean that's for defensive versatility is what you get it before but and the other like Guy and I'm not he's restricted in he's again, this is more like a minimum or slightly above minimum signing Jevon Carter in Phoenix off like they have cap room out there like and he is a great light ball Defender. He can't do anything on offense but like take three years, but he actually hit a bunch of Threes this year and he was like 38,000 from 3. That would be I mean the Celtics need another three-point shooter. And if the Sons used their cap room somewhere else, I can't see them letting him walk because he's probably not going to cost much but if they took a bigger fish and try to open up cap room for maybe he you know slips through the cracks, but that'd be a nice just like defense as mighty guy that can shoot some 3, so I'll put it down your bench. Yeah. Well, I mean I don't have anything against Ron Carter and I love the design. I think almost positive be sent to an one cuz he wears the Tenchi sneakers so loud shout out to him for that but it's kind of like this weird Duality where you're kind of like, okay the players that I want to sign. I want them to be kind of like stock caps during the regular season for Kemba or whoever, you know in case of injury et cetera, but then also like I need this dude to play really well, um in his minutes and his role in the playoffs and cuz like we're trying to win a championship, so can this guy be on the floor in the NBA finals or the Conference Finals is kind of a question that I would be asking before I signed anybody and I don't I don't know. Like he's never played a playoff game in his career. I'm not saying that he couldn't but knowing the bubble, Mike ain't no in the Beaufort those Sons. Yes. Undefeated. Yeah. No it is way off. Let that thought they were the best the best team in the bubble. They were better than the Lakers my opinion now, so like I don't know like it's it's an intriguing name for sure. All right. So here's the final grab bag of minimum guys and to see if anyone like these are all guys that break in case of emergency end of the bench, but you want to throw them for five or ten minutes in a playoff game. They might be able to give you something or just give you a confident minutes your favorite guy. Brandon Knight's Brandon, Atlanta, Georgia, I mean Isaiah talking about the top of the list in terms of these guys. Is he on your list? Technically. Yeah, like he's he I mean I went through pretty much all the point guards. So we'll start Isaiah Thomas. So technically everybody is on the list. I mean and I I don't think you can I think it would be really nice to see like, he's one of the most beloved like Catholics. In Boston in the past decade that's like a fair statement to say, I think it's a little if you were to actually bring them back. I think that's the great concern at least maybe concern is too strong but like for me from looking at the outside, like he's leave he left as this heroic figures a year who is deeply connected to Boston Beloved the leader of the team like After every game that's where the Press is going. That's whoever wants to talk to. And so if he comes back, it's just like this weird chemistry thing took a bubble at some point and that would be like my I'm not saying that it would or wouldn't that's just like a thing that I think about before I would bring Isaiah back and how I guess strange might seem if it was even possible but like on in terms of like basketball like who knows what he has left and who knows. I mean, I know he had the surgery and I was working out and I think Seattle right now. I don't know how he looks so. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's not going to happen like here. I hope it happens during summer. It's just not like cuz that off with the with the baggage potential baggage that you mentioned from a just a, you know, a chemistry slash hybrid in the standpoint. And with the I mean there's also we're forgetting about like Tremont Waters like wage roster spot here, too. So you're not going to like You know pick Isaiah, I think over Waters a guy that you're you've kind of groomed for the last year and want to give a shot to but I hope I mean, I'm sorry did its job. I hope he's going to get a chance somewhere next year. It's gonna be tough for him. To be honest. I think it's going to be really like 33% of players in the NBA are going to be free agents next year and month. You look at that and the I think the the squeeze that a lot of these guys are going to feel and free agency not even just to like make money to even like find open roster spots because if you just, you know a factor in the draft and everything like that's guys are going to get squeezed out and which makes it even tougher for a guy like Thomas remember and get another shot. So it's it's it's going to be fascinating to see who like which which of those veterans get those chances. Yeah, for sure. How many guys do you have on this list? Cuz I actually have a big who is really intriguing to me that I want to talk about. But if you want to run through the shower, so it's still it's long. This will be one man here either names that are out there your favorite guy. Brandon Knight. Yes Boy Yes The One That Got Away The One That Got Away probably took from opportunity. So I'd say no Trey Burke who actually played really well for the Mavs a guy that Sixers probably could use in that playoff series loss. I he's probably the only other and then beyond him Yogi Ferrell and another small guy whose best days might be behind him long as you have your Roxbury native would be a fun story that you had a good year and with the Wizards again another undersized can we play defense? So not much their home and then two guys, I have no interest in dellavedova and Emmanuel mudiay now, so not like Not really an impressive crop. I mean a couple of like Augustine a couple of decent guys at the top of the list for me lonely, but I'm not even sure you're better off. You're putting your resources your helps you too much compared to other positions. Like potentially a big which you might have something for us on your hands here. Yeah, I always have a soft spot in my heart for Brandon for reasons. We don't need to get into it. But you know, I talked to earlier about Robert Williams and Grant Williams and I don't know what they're going to do with the 5 with some of the bigs that were on the team last year but someone who's ridden a really intriguing and this isn't like a surprising name. I don't think anyone has been following this stuff over the past couple weeks is Harry Giles and he's basically Jason to his best friend, right? He was the number one Prospect in that class before multiple knee surgeries kind of derailed him a little bit and when you've been held at least favorite by the way, get the oh, yeah, we're not just in terms of like going after guys that were highly rated in high school and saw their stock drop. Sure, exactly the market inefficiency. So yeah, just like as a big man who I mean he's had a lot of health issues in the league. He's played for the most dysfunctional one of the most dysfunctional organizations different coaches different playing Styles different teammates. So it's kind of really hard to gauge just what we have here, but I think when you combine, you know the player he was supposed to be with what he has looked like in spots when he's finally been able to be healthy and being a rotation and in a starting lineup for multiple weeks at a time. His skill-set is just like really impressive and I love and I know I know Brad really likes as well like big suit can pass. He's a really good passer really smart ball mover and you can throw Tim at the elbows and we'll hit back Cutters and stuff. He has a decent jumper and it's just a really that would be just a really fascinating piece to have and if you hit with him, then it's like striking gold. So that's something I'm really a fan how much you going to give him given me like the full text pyramid levels like $6, you give them like half of that like, what do you think is well, I think some team lots of roll a dice on him cuz he's still only 22 right like If I was I mean it get what it where it gets interesting is like from his side. How long do you want the contract to be? You know what? I mean? Like how long before I get to hit the open market again. So the number of years is really interesting to me. Even more so than the money cuz I mean I would give them the full taxpayer if I was a Celtics. I think I have to think a little bit more about that and you know see what else is available. But as long as someone who I have to definitely interested in in exploring a little bit deeper, especially like the name of the game is keeping your franchise player happy that's like really the most important thing that you have to do in the NBA right now. So Jason Tatum is like I really want to play with Harry Giles and you have an opportunity to make that happen and you make it happen. That's just kind of what it is. So you sign it and he has a breakout year and then you can't keep him know exactly. That's where it gets G. Like how many years would you offer? I think how many years can you offer with a taxpayer? I think it's three is three years. Yeah. So do you offer him, you know three year was it be like sixteen million dollar contract or something like that? I mean, that's fine. If you're the Celtics in my opinion, I don't think maybe the third year is like is non-guaranteed or it's a it's a team option or a player option or whatever. So I just think that that's someone worth definitely worth discussing in a conversation like this. Yeah. It's I can't believe the Kinks turned down his fourth year option. First of all, well, yeah, they're idiots. Sure. Like what the guy who did it is no longer there. Yeah. I mean, I guess that it's like we gotta see that four million dollars while you're given like 22 to Buddy hield in this guy is five years younger. But yeah, you're right like the there is off. Clearly untapped potential here jobs are really good. Rebounder really good finisher at the rim and like you said his was shot 39% from outside of Sixteen fifty three point range didn't really didn't take any fries, but there is a semblance of a jump shot there. So, I could see him being a pretty like that seems to be like a pretty good compliment to like Grant Williams at the power forward spot slash center with Rob Williams there in terms of like, you know, you can kind of chain mix and match those three guys on a nightly basis conceivably depending on what you need in your office that night or if you want to focus on defense, you know, you play Grant 5 and you you go smoke. Yeah. That is a from a team standpoint. I do think it will be, you know, if if signed jobs get stabbed to sign that, you know, fifty or find a player option. Then you get that you get that contract ready to go. I think if you're getting aged one hundred percent, do you what are your thoughts just generally about like the big man need money. I think it's overstated. What are you where do you feel feel? I'm sure you've discussed this many times before but like where is the point of their needing an upgrade on this roster in your opinion? I think the biggest is just another reliable Wing slash backcourt player that you can play in the postseason off because I don't think you're going to get a meaningful upgrade. I mean like Giles I could see taking a chance on cuz he's young and you can if you sign for three years you could get some real life out of that. But for me when you look at what happened last postseason, and it was like, oh we you know guys got hurt if we had a full roster guys have found heard every postseason for this team for the last month or year. So I think you can't you have to have you have the opportunity now where you if Harry comes back, you know, you have a strong corn place where you have to give yourself a better back up there than just like Brad Wanamaker who to be honest. I thought like over keep for a lot of that playoffs was shooting and stuff, but then when push came to shove in that Heat series you really couldn't you know his Slaughter exposed so whether that's just a versatile Wing, whether that's you know, a true point guard that can you know shoot in distribute and not be a huge hole like with someone you can throw in. So when the heat throw that 2-3 zone out you or whatever else they try to do or throw double-teams at Tatum or whatever else. You don't have to be dependent wage. On you know smart taking threes to like get you out of it. That's fair. That's all very fair. The what do you think do you think it's would you rather have just the big and then like cuz I'm not sure. If that how much that solves your issues in the postseason like a mid-level big. Yeah. You know, it's really interesting to me is just like the watching maybe it was just the finals in that particular matchup off but one of the interesting wrinkles that I thought was on display in the playoffs in later rounds in particular was like guys on the floor who took wings or big guards or whatever who could just get attacked relentlessly on the defensive end by having their man who ever they regarding was going to set up all screen for Jimmy Butler or is it a ball screen for LeBron or setup Austrian for you know, jammal Murray or whoever it was and that wage of like how offenses were really like attacking in spots in for like big chunks of the later rounds of the playoffs and so yep. Think like what I'm trying to say is that you whoever you bring in you really can't have someone who gets just so exposed on that end of the floor and they're not like home cooking Robinson was on the floor getting just brutalized but he's also the best shooter on the planet right or in the bubble. So that's what's keeping his minutes alive life. I think that that is just a really important General thing that you need to be wary of if you want to win a title now and if you are going to be going to the finals or the Conference Finals or whatever you're going to have to you're going to go up against a player who's probably like LeBron or like Kawhi who will hunt down matchups that they want. And so I think that that is just generally a big deal and I wish that the Celtics did it more offensively against the Miami Heat in the Conference Finals, but wage Hey, Tom, was just too young I guess. Hirsch lessons, but you're right it is it's like finding and the amount of those type of guys available in free agency, especially this year are low. So they're going to be highly doubt, you know, saw sought-after even a guy like, you know, we talked about Galloway like You know you hope his three-point shooting would outweigh his defense of well. She's not like a terrible Defender, but he's definitely not a Plus on that side. So you have to find just a perfect. You know, like you said when I talked to the guy who's you know strengths outweigh the The Faults for whatever the fifteen twenty minutes. He's on the forward and matters. Yeah. So any other sneaky? Biggs you like before we move on to just the some big picture NBA stuff to wrap up not really I what's what's Aron Baynes his deal. Is that what you could you see something like that happening or would he cost too much money here? Cuz he would be really valuable. Yeah, that would make a lot of sense from a selfish perspective. I would think he gets more than the taxpayer mid-level. I think someone would give him like he made enough threes last year to write think somebody was like the MVP of the first month of the Season which was insane because it looks give this other clearly game away. But obviously then he came back down to earth and injuries cropped up which they tend to do with him. So, I mean the sun's it'll be interesting by the sun's do they could easily bring him back. He's good insurance rates and obviously fits their wage, um, but they might have, you know, bigger fish to they want to go after via trade or in free agency itself. So, If he does miss, you know, I he would I would go after him if he's on the market for the Celtics but I don't think he's going to be available to them at a price. That's they can afford tragic granted, but there is I mean you look at the number of bags. I'd rather quickly like you know Bach is probably going back to Toronto cuz they need you know, if they're losing to solve their in need him off. Tristan Thompson will be highly sought-after. Derrick Favors will be out there again all these teams going to be re-signed but especially favors. I'm not sure they're going to he makes too much sense for them. And then my my love affair with Derrick Favors like And mustard namakkal it is it's so deep. I I would basically react the same way if they sign if they ever sign Derrick Favors as they did when they signed kg like just took Derrick Favors just like the missing ingredient, but it's like but really when we talk about like Biggs, you know. At this is kind of a a segue into our next conversation. But like the Philadelphia 76ers aren't going anywhere. Nope, Joell embiid. Maybe you know, maybe Daryl Morey trades Jerome it for James Harden and then you don't have to worry about it. But Joell embiid is in your conference in your division, you know, they've gone up against the Sixers what twice or three times in the last like five years? Yeah. So that's someone who especially, you know, I would imagine that they are going to have a much better and more sensible Supporting Cast because Daryl Morey is now the guy making those decisions and finding those players and he's really good job essentially it in his star-power. So you're not going to just be able to double-team Joell embiid and he's going to throw the ball away. It's not going to be like that. I think next year and Doc Rivers the coach now and I'm a big fan of him. So got to worry about him. So we talked about like Biggs and how the big man Market isn't that crucial and you wouldn't want to spend too much on a big I think finding someone who can bother Joell embiid in the post without like in single coverage a little bit is like it's integral bridge and so that you know veins and favors would be a pretty strong one to their Tristan Thompson also could be in that mix cancer did a respectable job 1,000 MB but that was with his entire Supporting Cast being gone. So I mean Canada's future in Boston is I'd say if he thought but if he, you know, if he's gone, then you're going to you're gonna have to look at One of the those guys I mentioned are I mean can although there's probably a bunch of you know, veteran-minimum Biggs, like none of them. Can I used to your point in life can really guard and beat or bother and be slightly in one-on-one coverage. So it's like tough to break out in that for insurance when when you're in need of it's not going to be very useful right like someone like just off the top of my head like Mason Plumlee sure intriguing big like wage really good paths et cetera. I think he'll be too expensive and I don't know about his post defense in a matchup like that, but the armor Bismack biyombo that's that's what you're looking at. Sure. Sure. Yeah, so that's I take can't you're over that if given the choice, but all right you what's let's go to Maury to wrap up here in just the big picture situation with that the I wrote about a little bit of both sports with like the same division is already Tough Enough like going forward with Toronto braintrust looking as good as ever and they have some options going forward Brooklyn with Khadijah you back and Kyrie getting healthy Steve Nash jury's out there, but you'd think that That's Mike D'Antoni Mike D'Antoni and I are right like the offense is good should be Sensational. They're given the wage over there. And now you have more you going to a situation in Philly. That's a it's a bit of a mess. But he's a pretty creative guy that can you know maximize off. Century and with a lot more resources than he had in Houston every and so all this to me is just like, you know, the Celtics that the the road just got tougher laws in terms of getting out of the East for the foreseeable future and you know getting through from that crew and then obviously Milwaukee in Miami. I don't really know who like I can't it's too early to to order these teams. Honestly, I mean, we're it's before the draft him before the offseason for like of course, it is too early but not Brooklyn has to be respected because of the best two players and most predominately their best player who might be the best place to be Mike Harris albertine Kennedy. Exactly. Yes Spencer Dinwiddie and Philly Toronto, Miami Boston Milwaukee. It's just kind of honestly a test up to me with how these teams are going to shake out in the playoffs not so much the regular season, but the playoffs I think song. The situation in Philly is not that terrible. I mean if you're Daryl Morey the first thing you do when you go in there is Faith. You gotta move on. You gotta find some way to get rid of Al Horford and you had to find you potentially like if I Was Daryl more a month like before I try to move on from Simmons or indeed. I would look at the data from you know, previous regular season's worth of Lee and see that they've had success before it's all about finding the right pieces to compliment them. And if that still doesn't work then you can I think you'll figure out who which one you want to keep in which one you want to build around etcetera, but like moving Horford. What's really interesting. Is it Maury For The First Time in Forever hath He has a draft pick in this year's draft. I think it's from the Oklahoma City Thunder because Philly's own pic is going to Brooklyn. I'm pretty sure yes, that's great. And then he has all of his own going forward, right? So getting off of I don't think it's like, you know Horford's contract is bad Horford is not you could easily buy into office or a there's a lot. I think there are several teams around the league that would be like that contract is not desirable if we're getting a pic with it and it's still you know, Al Horford. It's not like a carcass. It's a player who you could be like this guy was not in an ideal situation last year. It was playing out of position. They were times where he was at the five and they the Philly was fine perfectly fine. Still like a pretty good player. So I think getting off for Ferd is not going to be that difficult for someone like Daryl Morey, I think. I think everybody else should like have their bags packed and ready to go. So I think someone like Josh Richardson would be a really attractive trade piece that teams would be interested in and I could see him moving. I guess who Daryl moving I could see viable being attached to a Tobias Harris with a pic and seeing what you can get off. Cuz if I'm Philly like I had I could have won the title that Jimmy Butler as my third guy. So if I'm are you shaking your head or stereo? It's true. It's like it's like you you literally traded away you gave away just dollars or Josue person referred and Harris for like twice the money, which is just Screwed you up on so many levels. Yeah, so if I can just rewind and I'm not going to get Jimmy again, but like honestly that team could win the title if they had a bunch of like competent shooting and CJ McCollum as the third guy honestly. Usually when the title if Joell embiid bought in and if I am, I guess just Ben Simmons kind of I'm not going to say learn how to shoot is just terrorist himself honestly, and he's he's this, you know, if he's like playing like one of the best defensive players in the NBA, which she is like, I don't know. I think that with enough spacing Like which is easier said than done to add around those pieces, but with spacing it could be like a devastating team. I think like the whole going big idea. Like that's just thought that was a one-and-done situation. They're all more is going to invest in shooting he's going to invest in I would imagine some more ball-handling and he's going to he's like Garden Philly like that would be yeah, that'd be great for years. They're probably going to get one and like all you gotta do honestly, like I said this before but everyone talks about Ben Simmons need to shoot and I think he needs to shoot that's straight up in the playoffs. Just a different ball game. If you want to be a primary ball-handler but seemed like they would be so much better. If Doc Rivers went to Joell embiid. It was like guess what you're not shooting from the mid-range like that's gone from your diet and this is Jim. We're investing in and this is what we're going to prioritize going forward. Like all of a sudden there are fences that much cuz those are all wasted possessions there just are and so you take those away drawing such a special player. I just think like you can't count out Philly. I don't think Philly will look anything like they did last year and that's I think a scary and you still with the amount of talent they have with your top two guys. That's a scary proposition because they have never been effectively utilized. I think, you know during their break out to your point home. Yep, and that is why when you're in the Eastern Conference Finals against the Miami Heat, you should have probably be there in Miami Heat and girls house everything changes every year so dramatically in the NBA, it's true and soon enough. We should be able to analyze what that NBA season next year will actually look like home and recording this on Friday now and um at some point hopefully by the end of week maybe by the time you listen to this day of you know, the league and the Players Association or up settled on a schedule and free agency numbers and all that good stuff, but we'll we'll be revisiting that in the upcoming weeks here as we get you ready for the draft and free-agency on the wing place. In the meantime hit us up at winning plays pot on Twitter. You can get my cat Michael V peena on Twitter. I'm at a priority Rob off. And make sure you rate review subscribe to The Wedding Place podcast. Cuz if you're listening right now, then you really should be you know, keeping track of this cuz you made it. That's about it. Mike will get back you think this is going to get done over the weekend or the next week. What do you think? We're going to actually have some Some hard numbers to talk about from Billy cried perspective. I would imagine like next week you have to because if the season starts on the 22nd of December training camp what like it just need the teams need to be ready very Nago December 1st. So yeah the pension that we gotta get something going sooner than later. Lakers are going to show up the trade can be like December 15th and just play their G league for the first two weeks of the regular season. That's a prediction here. But everyone on the roster except wage James Thomas. All right. Well, that'll do it for us. Thanks for listening and we will catch you guys next week.

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Do The Celtics Rookies Really "Stink"? | Garden Report

The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden

06:14 min | 9 months ago

Do The Celtics Rookies Really "Stink"? | Garden Report

"The. Welcoming I'm Sierra goodwill here with Keith Smith Keith you wrote a really interesting article for the Celtics blog that was an outsider's look at the Boston Celtics, so you talked to a lot of executives within the NBA a lot scouts and ask them about the Celtics different players. Different classes of players in what their thoughts were on them when it came to the rookies, they weren't so high on them. Someone saying they stink. Rised that people outside of the Boston Celtics Organization looks down upon the rookies that they have right now. I think is a whole. I was a little surprised night. Some of them is individuals I think Carson. Edwards has been a bit of a disappointment I think people hoped for more out of him, but I think Guiseley Grant Williams I. Think because when you watch the team every single day, you start to appreciate a lot of the little things he does. That may not show up at the box score Romeo Langford. I think again being around the team all the time following them closely. There's an understanding of the fact that he is a He missed a large chunk of early part of the year with with injuries and the like, but it was a I was surprised. Even those two that that some of the scouts and executives are a little down on him I think the overall takeaway for me was that they look at this class where the Celtics at several picks as a bit of a missed opportunity this this past draft, absolutely and being part of the Celtics media tandem, a lot of people have. Have Been Pretty impressed with Greg Williams in his toughness, his ability to fill in as a really good bench role player in so that was a little bit surprising to see that people across league art, seeing it the same way that we are maybe but someone that they brought up a lot of times was trained waters think he has the potential to be the most successful of any of the Patriot Ma Patriots Celtics Rookie, getting my Boston teams three off with the PAT. You surprised at how high they were on tremont waters in his ability to be really good backup point guard in the league in years to come. I was a little bit, but I've been hearing that really since the draft the going back all the way to summer league, there are a lot of people who really like like tomorrow waters and thought he was going to be a pretty good player. There were a lot of people. Who Express surprise back when it happened that the Celtics put him on a two way contract, and didn't just put him on the roster in the links, so that was a little bit of a surprise to me I'm not. Entirely shocked by that one I. Think, it's interesting to see I think that's a doing a little bit projecting of. He was with main in the G. League verses that things he's done in Boston and really what's been relatively limited minutes. Would the Celtics but I? One didn't surprise me as much because I at a little bit of a feeling going in that some people really liked him. And a couple of the executives in scouts said that they think all of these guys in the Celtics Turkey class will be career. Long bench players, one really deysi see has the ability to be a starter, even a spot starter. Do you agree with that assessment? I think it's a little tough to say that about a guy like Romeo Langford I think he definitely has the talent to to become a starter. His challenge in Boston is going to be at his best positions. The two in the three celtics already have really good players, so he's going to have to work around that it. It's GonNa. Be Hard for him. I think to ever be a thirty minute a game guy with this team when you've got Jason. Tatum Jackson Browne Gordon Hayward Marcus Smart. All guys at the same spots that he plays that can be kind. Kind of tough for him, but I i. do think he's got pretty good talent. I think he's got got that ability to step forward. He showed showed me a lot more in defense unexpected this year, so that that one didn't surprise me Grit Williams that that Kinda makes sense and I. Don't really take that as a negative I think being Goud. You'll fewer ten year player in the League. In the vast majority of that time was coming off the bench that still valuable player in that somebody you'll good teams need, and I think sometimes what happens with us is again. It's good when you see somebody every day, and you see all the little things they do, and maybe don't show up in the highlights and the box scores in you can really appreciate them, but then I think get tips almost too far where you start to over, appreciate those things, and you start all of a sudden thinking well, this guy is just amazing, and he's GonNa, be you're? You're the best of anybody would love to have him. And you start to overweight just how much that is when I think when you take a wider league, wide approach, I think some of the things at the executives and scouts he is. There's your ten fifteen guys in the we who could do what he does, and that's where we're looking at it from. That's not an irreplaceable skillset. Right while a lot of great insight in New Perspective in your article, keep make sure to check that out on Celtics. Blog Improv of ourselves coverage. You can find it on our website at sealant S, and on our Youtube Channel at Celtics all access. 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92: Can Celtics bounce back from 0-2 hole against Heat?

Winning Plays

49:22 min | 4 months ago

92: Can Celtics bounce back from 0-2 hole against Heat?

"This is the winning Place podcast on the clns Via Network the leading online provider for the India is winning his franchise. Hey, folks will come in to another edition of the winning Players Club cast. My name is Brian Robb. I am joined today by Michael Pina who wants to make sure he was able to get in an appearance of the wing place podcast before the song comes to an end. Potentially. I know that was it's it's tough, but sure at this point, but yeah, Rich is off today. So we're going to go for two man here Celtics season not on the brink officially, but pretty close after they blow 17-point lead in game two to the Heat their second straight double-digit blown lead. Mike could get into the game in a second, but first off reports of dissension in the locker room after the game multiple ports of it being Brown and smashing. can at the Forefront of it and then your initial thoughts on just the the aftermath of of an ugly to feed I mean, it's I think it's good to get that all the way out of the way because You know, no disrespect to the Miami Heat who I love who play very hard who know who they are who trust one another have great chemistry all that lot of talent, but after watching game too, I mean that was just a mental Collapse by the Celtics. I mean, there's really no other way to spit in my opinion. They had that game in the bag the third quarter you really see it a Celtics team this season this Celtics team make so many lackadaisical mistakes. It's not even about like making or missing page. It's it's about you know the to pick six turnovers with Jimmy Butler that ended up being the difference. There was just inbounding a ball wage. They got stolen by believe Derrick Jones jr. Just like really lazy stuff that the Celtics just don't do and so if you're them I would imagine you feel like you blew off. A winnable playoff game in the Conference Finals. A lot of these guys have been to the commons files that know how hard it is to get there and you can't just you can't just piss games like that away and that's that's what they did last night. Yeah. It was I think he said it's jarring cuz this is just something you know, this team has dealt with adversity at times this year and you know clearly have had plenty of third call back issues, but the extent of those Wheels kind of dominating on them, I mean, I think there is one stretch of the 3rd fourth quarter Mike Walsh. They went one of 12 from the field of eight turnovers over like a 13 minute span. That is I mean, that's probably their worst twelve minutes of basketball all season like is that is that a fair assessment? Yeah, from what I mean? The turnovers are just so casual is just study cuz they're bizarre and like you want to give credit again to which I'm sure we're going to talk a ton about Miami's own and how the Celtics have performed against it and you want to give credit to just how it's inverted and they have the big. And or like big long rangy Wings up top and it makes it very difficult to kind of reverse the ball and get penetration and all that but you're right. It was just very very careless. It's really noisy in Florida. I don't understand you're watching like Tatum. I just thought Adam was so bad last night in a lot of ways. And again this isn't even about the shot-making and he missed him regain a couple shots particularly in the pain, but like just soft Closeouts just losing track of your man on Reed's that you should know based on basic film study where you know, if he's covering Tyler hero in the corner of grand dragons drives towards the Baseline like if you're Jayson Tatum, you know that the release valve is Tyler hero and the corn Dinner and you're not there and tell her it's a quarter of three just like stuff like that is just what are we? What are we doing here? This is the Conference Finals. They should be locked in they were not locked in when they need to be elected. In fact, one of those against round two and game for just I I imagined it to the kind of effort you would see on like a Wednesday night against the kings in January, um in a game that doesn't matter off just in terms of you know, like you said rotations, you know at a bio just going absolutely nuts and that third-quarter because the the weakside help was not there when home when dragic turned the corner and then the, you know, the rebounding down the stretch the Jaylen Brown Tim, you know, both got out-hustled on multiple occasions for Rebound home and that you know, you look at all that and you can understand why Marcus Smart, you know freaked out a little bit from the sounds of it in the locker room after the game, but at the same time like dead Smart probably wasn't the right messenger in that situation since he had some pretty critical errors to he threw those two passes at Jimmy picked off in the last couple of minutes. He took a couple really questionable shots against the Zone in the final two minutes, like including a mid-range turnaround on dragic with like 15 seconds on the shot clock. And so I mean this was a team loss and for the first time we just you know, it's frustrating this boil over but the everyone kind of was responsible for it. So it didn't seem like a good time to be to be pointing fingers at all there. No, not at all. Just a strange third-quarter generally speaking and you know letting them fairies impact your intensity is not what you want either and that's just goes back to like mental toughness. And you know, there was off The Taste jump ball. That was very it was a colonel jump, but it was like I didn't understand how it could have possibly not been a time out. If you off you're saying that he didn't have possession but you're also resetting the shot clock. So what are we even doing here? That's like it's just a really bad one. And after that like that was that was they did not respond. Well after losing that and then there was the four I think the four-point play from Jae Crowder was like a split second later, right? That was not good now and another one dead. I went under the radar day liked ice got clobbered in the head by a Dubai on a drive and was down for like maybe 15 seconds. So I should have been a foul and then that turned into a three for the Heat and honestly on a review it might have been a flagrant if it was sort of foul given, you know, how long the Tyson's down for yep page again that it was early in the game third-quarter, but stuff like that just you know, the others were not able to to respond to so it's really neat-o to deficit here Mike. Strangely. The last two Eastern Conference Finals have come back from O2 being the obviously the Raptors last year in the Cavs two years ago against Celtics home. I'll start here Gordon Hayward will be back either in game three or at the, you know at worst game for just based off. Always progressing and the fact that you know that there's no more time to wait to see what you have intimate this point. What his his usefulness against his own is clear. But what do you do in this life, you're you know him in this other string staff. Do you try it again game three and get him that extra. So he's good to go close to a hundred percent in game four or do you say hey, we just need them, you know even will take you at 80% right now over semi ojeleye and roll the dice for game three. If Gordon Hayward can play 20 minutes 15-20 minutes of quality basketball and be a threat and I guess like go nearly a hundred percent. Then you play I think you definitely play them right like he's just as like a someone who they would have to account for them on the floor someone who is way more of a threat on the weakside than shimmy. Ojeleye. Who when he catches a kick out like there's one option. That's it. Like he's either shooting it or he's turning it over or he has to like reverse the ball back to the top of the key. Like that's what he's doing Gordon Hayward can obviously do so many different things. He's busy and touted as the Zone Buster. I don't I don't know if that's like a little much and again, we're probably going to talk a little bit more about this but the data suggests wage Celtics even though they've performed really poorly and upper position basis there when they shoot they're taking good shots against the Zone. They're just not falling but I mean, I would definitely play with Gordon in game three, I would also just I don't understand honestly the enes Kanter minutes. Yeah website with that for a second. Okay, cool. I mean that can't I was expecting to cancer and Langford wild card to come out at the same time now, unfortunately Langford only lasted a minute before hurting his groin that she had a nice pass to 4 kick out three in the second page out there. Yeah. That was that was this one touch right right. Now the one-time many account, I mean and in this series like he he's like, I don't mind that at all because he is, you know faster defensively than socially and we may have so many shooters on the floor for Miami like yeah, if you would like for can give you so that's too bad that he disappeared quickly catcher had a nice first half obviously month. For for the field but to me throwing them in that third quarter when you're the defense is unraveling of the seems like that that might have been that's a candidate for the worst coaching decision to perhaps even to me this this off just like that like like, okay. We're falling apart against out of Bio here at lets. You know, let's throw another log in a fire here in Canter in that spot. What do we think that like Brad Stevens is obviously very smart. He knows so much more about basketball than you and I combined. Yes. What do we think? He's thinking there? I don't I didn't really get it. He clearly wants easy buckets against his own in that spice. Okay, the South were like throwing it away. We're not you know, I'm moving the ball well enough we need to have someone who's a threat download dise has not been that against his own this series and Cantor did have a a nice tub. The first half so I think that's that's it. But again that situation it's like the the cons outweigh the pros when your defense is already teetering in that spot so long, you know, he didn't not that he was he was only out there for a couple of minutes. So it's not like, you know, things were already coming in hinged at that point, but it was just it was it was like there's there's there's other Alternatives right? Like that's the whole thing. So like when Cantor is, you know, it's not a hundred percent Canter's fault when they run those off, I guess like who I don't even know who the ball handlers are dragging George. You mean pick-and-rolls with bam and it's like just like dunking. Yeah and just dunking lobs repeatedly or getting fouled the N1 were can't they're hacked. It was just like that's just not what you can do in the playoffs. I don't know what's going on there. That was just like Marcus Smart's reaction would like prayer hands Emoji wage. Just like what are we going to do like move your feet? If you're going to fouling don't you can't let a guy I don't know. I don't want to as I digress. But yeah Cantor it's not necessary in a spot on those pick-and-rolls where you know, the weak side has to pinch and Duncan Robinson is the the guy and the weakside one of the best Shooters basically who's ever lived. So that's gravity right there with my band gets those slobs. But if you have someone like Grant Williams or Robert Williams, even who might be a little more amenable to a switch situation and enes Kanter who can't like Just like like I mean, they go after they go out of every time in the pick-and-roll or with a DHL like it's they like they completely change their offense and just attack him and so forth. I think you know, it it does matter like defensively what schemes you can do against the Miami Heat and when you can switch as the Celtics have done, I think a really good job on and off all throughout the series generally speaking Cantor just like kills that and it really impacts your defense in a really bad way. Yeah, so I mean that is we'll see if he have that. You know, I don't work clearly not going to see him in a bigger spot like that again this series Rob Williams like moving for in this serious Rob Williams versus Grant Williams. Like, where do you where do you go at backup center there if you're Brad Stevens home? I personally don't understand why Grant Williams doesn't play more. It's the only allowed to play in the fourth quarter. Is that like I down the road as post-season. He has the biggest offensive. Of the Season switched out on to Fred Van Vleet gets that block like I he's just really smart and I I think I you know, I forget if I text it our thread or if it was texting someone else but like is Brad just petrified of Grant Williams fouling everyone and getting terrible whistles and doing Ricky things on the defensive end against a team that you know with bam and Jimmy Choo of like the best foul drawers in the league and not wanting to put the Celtics in the bonus or anything like that. Like is that his grave concern because whenever I watch grams play he's just like he's really smart and he knows angles and he dead. His hands up he knows where to be on the defensive end. And then on the offensive end, he's been hitting his shots, which is like dealing with such a small sample size. But when you're like, what does he like nine 4:14 from the three-point line or something like that? Yes, like I said in the shots, so that's not even a concern and he also isn't someone who's that going to Chuck up terrible shots money. He'll move the ball. He just knows his role. He's a really good offensive rebounder. I don't know. I don't I don't get it cuz you're not afraid of bam. Adebayo having a height advantage on Grant Williams. Like if bam adebayo wants to post up you let bam adebayo post up cuz that's just not his game at all. So I just I just don't get it. I don't get it at all. Yeah, he I'm just looking at his game log here. He hasn't played more than ten minutes in the last five games. And it's he's 4 or 6 from 3 in that stretch a lot times. He got into the games. It was late when the subjects we're down a man or just got desperate. So yeah, it's he's been a plus minus, you know top net reading guy in the team pretty much all year. And like he said his his biggest disadvantage in the series, you know from a size standpoint isn't really huge against bam based on the way he plays so, you know, you think you could roll into game, you know, if Harry can go you roll into game three and you just say Okay Grant Wanamaker Hayward and just like draw a line and maybe time word if you want to like walk, you know mixed up just for to see if he's giving you an offensive boost at some point, but that would be that should be at this point to Quick. Yes, exactly. Get him out there right get him out there early again. You know not against Olynyk but beyond that like that's that's kind of where you gotta be right now since it's like you said Williams and want to make sure that it seems like the only guys you can really trust them giving you anything off the bench. So do you want to talk about this now? Yeah, I feel like that's a big talking point coming out of that going to see a lot more of it going to see a lot more of it than what it what was your general reaction, I guess when you're watching it live are you like they look very confused. They have no idea what they're doing. The zone is something that the Celtics don't have an answer for their zone is something that is such a particular matchup nightmare because Kimba is so small town. Like what were your what are your what were your thoughts when you were watching them try to get some traction against it for me? It just looked like everything was rushed. And panicked when they were trying to move the ball against, you know, Miami puts their bigger guys at the top of the zone so that you know, I'm a smart they're long and that is troublesome for you know, like you said smaller players like Kemba and so to me they just you know, maybe a month was the the Panic set in more once the he started scoring on the other than the floor so I became okay. We got we got desperate are we got a you know, get someone here we got get something quick thoughts led to just you know bad passing and not finding the the right shots. And did you like you think that the shock quality was pretty decent she cries after you went back and looked at it or what? What is it take a while to get to that point. So Shut quality. So like I'm I'm looking at second strikes second Spectrum data that I have cuz I I just get it from writing for 5:38 a.m. And it's terrific and really gets super granular into this stuff and you can look at you know, how each individual player performed against the Zone know how what type of shots they took where they good shots where they bad shots when you look at just the particular shot data. It does not account for you know, what a foul is called or when there's a turnover or anything like that and there were plenty of turnovers against his own which were crippling and that is why they averaged like point nine points per possession, which is just an atrocious number but the shots when they did get a shot off. I thought that you know, Kemba had to pull up three wide open with Crowder on empty ice hits him with a high screen wage. Just like that's the shot. That is signature for Kemba all year long doesn't drop kembo kind of weasels this way around Crowder or hero. I forget who earlier than the game gets a wide open mid-range pull up. It's almost an air ball taytum taytum taytum, you know, they had one play that was kind of like this home mini little pin down. I don't know if it was a fellow described as a pin down but it was the the n one where I think Spoelstra challenged it where dragich was on the ground. Not sure. Yeah that play the Tatum flagrant that should've been a flavor on Tatum for company. Yeah. I think that was in the first half but that was against the zone. That was an action. That was obviously successful Tatum when Tatum had Crowder on him, he drove pretty aggressively, you know, not as consistent as you would want off. He just missed like two or three floaters, like right in the paint from like, you know, five six feet shots that he's not like Mike Conley Jayson Tatum, but they use shots that you know, you just have to make it's just like that's what it is and Marcus Smart had like two pretty good catch-and-shoot threes that he bricked home and I don't know like so the data says that basically the shots that the Celtics took were great. Like if you just stack them up against every other team relative to every other team overall the playoffs the Los Angeles Lakers are the only team that has a better shot quality than what the Celtics have had in these two games against Miami's zone. So they're taking good shots, but they are like, they're effective field-goal percentage against the zone is so low that like it just the data suggests that there's going to be this Thursday. I should eventually and you don't know and that's going to happen and maybe it won't happen. But because we only have potentially two more games here. So the sample size is so small, but I think the the numbers are good if your Boston and you know Brad Stevens, I think said that it wasn't about the Zone last night and he's not really focused on his own or whatever. I mean the zone is wage is is a thing like we're not we can't just ignore it. I mean it did have an impact on the game for sure. It was very disruptive. But when you go back and you watch the film there were shots that they got out of that against it that we're good, you know when Kemba is able to penetrate when he gets the screen and he kind of works it and you know draws the middleman up a little dog. Was that play where he did that in the first half and hit Marcus Smart for like a wide-open layup from the Duggar spot, like stuff like that. That's just like really when you see that your birthday. If I was your exposure and I suck em would do something like that. It'd be like we're not doing this again cuz it just it makes it look so bad, right and you want to see more at that more consistently for sure. So like I don't I mean I think adjustments will come and I think that just maybe even adding Gordon on to the to the floor into the mix is off like that's like the adjustment and you don't need to make any stylistic changes and he'll get you a little bit more of an edge in terms of you know seconds for on kick-outs like a little bit more of an open look for someone like Marcus Smart. He can shoot obviously. So yeah, like I don't I know this is all this talk on Twitter about you know, how Brad Stevens is like melting down as a coach right now. I don't think that that is the case. I think it's a really smart defensive adjustments in the second half, especially I mean like wage Like little stuff like putting like when they're running that pick-and-roll with bam and Jimmy late, which they love to do. He just puts Types on crowder and moves Jalen off to Bam so that the Celtics can just switch that action right and be out of trouble. So just stuff like like Brad Stevens isn't like an idiot. Like he's no dates like he was very far different game too. Long shot like they got blown out of the gym. They're up by 5 with four minutes left after the third quarter collapse. Sure. Yeah, exactly. So yeah to you right now Steven's is very low on the list of like what went wrong for the Celtics and and came through like you said, you can't if a team doesn't have composure against his own and just is not rush is rushing shots for making unforced turnovers and unforced mistakes. Like that's that's not on Stevens that's on these guys executing. So I like I'm Pig Me when you see a zone now. I feel like you want Hayward out there. I also want want to make her out there against his own since he's he just finds like he probably has played against them for like ten years and Europe. So we just no way to get inside the seams and just find a good look whether it's for himself or someone else and so like to me it's like getting the guys on the floor that are good bomb overs home. And do you feel like Rob Williams for like when those that leezie log download like do you think he should be inserted for that or is his lack of shooting going to be too much of a liability home in terms of like against it. Just having them Duggar spot. I mean Robin Williams I guess is like is it fair to call him like an underrated passer? Like I don't think he's brilliant but he's not as terrible as I think you would think if you just watch him play like is that like a fair assessment? Yeah. Absolutely. I think absolutely so like having him on the floor is not a total liability. Obviously, you can't, you know, he's not going to be jacking up Corner threes anything like that, but that's not what is role would be. I think the greater concern is always just like and something that we don't really talk about but like if defensively you're able to go up steps against Miami than Miami cannot set up its own Grant. So Rob Williams has just had a little bit of difficulty and executing, you know more so in the Toronto. I think just like executing basic pick-and-roll coverage and that's you know, I think that that might be in Brad's mind a little bit but I go back to age. Grant is someone who should be playing big minutes and can really help in a lot of ways. I mean he said screens. He just knows he's just like a really smart cerebral Player dead and I think right now that's what the Celtics need on both ends. Yeah, and he didn't even take a shot in game three and ten minutes but was still plus nine months with some good minutes involved perhaps, I mean, excuse me getting ahead of yourself getting herself here for for the game three. So I also want to say bath dragic was an absolute monster lie in that game and has been this whole series and I'm not sure what you can really do from right now since You know brasieres made the switch in the Raptor series to put smart on Lowry and you could do that here if dragic but I'm not sure even that like song logic right now cuz he's just in such a great Groove both driving and with you know, the pulled three if you give them any space so for me, that's probably number one in the object you happen to just get him out of rhythm because the shots his shot-making is just a different level right now on that team he is he's just a total monster. I mean the two shots that he hit late were such daggers. Like Miami doesn't win that game. If those two don't go in in my opinion. They did a really good job of stifling. I'm in transition. I think that that was like probably the number one thing if I'm a fly-on-the-wall on Boston's film session and the other day yesterday or two days ago. I bet that that wage. Something that they just kept hitting like you have to stop the ball, especially when dragich as it right and he's pushing so they did a really good job there. I thought long and yeah, I don't know, you know force that dude to his right, right. You don't let him get to his left hand. He forced her to his right thigh if he hits shots like the three in particular over tights. I think it was like you just gotta that's just like yeah, I mean the Tipper cap part of that my that was like a turnaround like throwing away my shot off at like 2 that was that was an insane shot. But yeah, so your point like I liked personally I liked I liked jail it on Duncan and I liked foil. Kisan Jimmy. I thought that was really successful and it's there's always going to be a pick your poison. I suppose like Taytum taytum could be on dragich. Maybe I don't know like Tatum. Just what did you think about how Tatum was like moving? I think he might be hurt him. He was there a couple of times where it seemed to waive off the bench when he was late like nothing serious, but yet the deck a couple years a jack couple of times. I went like I heard from someone that in game would look like you might have had like some kind of a quad issue that clearly seem to impact just just effort at points. Maybe it was you know for obvious reasons. If you're not feeling a hundred percent where you only grab five rebounds you have five turnovers and you're not where you need to be you're not as locked in and so, you know put if if Mobility is an issue for him putting on dragic is, you know, we'll certainly hurt their butt and you know, you're not going to throw like Hayward on dragic Fresh off of ankle Now situation wage It's it's a tough call there. It's nice to hide Kemba on crowder and it may move Tatum to drive it. But that's that's something that they're going to have to that has to be sorted out since you know Butler, you know, smart to neutralize Butler in this game. But dragic has been, you know, just as good if not better offensive weapon for them all postseason and that needs to they need to stop if you're the Celtics dragich or not. I should say, I'm sorry Crowder just being Klay Thompson and is well, this is I haven't taken my Victory lap right now for it's just perfect. I mean just this is the Jae Crowder that the world's waiting for that. I I thought the Celtics had three years ago and you know just soundly out playing Jaylen Brown in the series now it's off. Adding I mean, he only was 3 of 10 from 3 last night, but he obviously had a couple really big fact that he got 10:00 through his up and he's averaging like seven or eight of game is is just insane nineteen ninety percent of his shots attempts in the playoffs are threes. It's I mean, he knows who he is. I guess like the fact that he's not even I mean we used to like I think maybe I was the one who was criticizing him the most about like wage pumping goes when he was in Boston sure. It was just like these straight line drives that were just there was nothing that was it. Like they couldn't do anything beyond that but the fact that he's cut that basically out of his diet and all he does now is regardless of how aggressive the close at is he gets the shot off and he falls over right? That's that's his move. I don't know how many players have drawn more for shot three short vowels than him. I mean like Harden obviously, but after Harden, I don't think that there are like two or three guys who have drawn more three-shot fouls like he is that's like his signature play right now and he got a four-point play last night. I mean that that's like the difference it's dead. I don't know. But yeah, I mean, where do you want to go from here? Is there anything else that we like? We're missing that I think that is Meaningful. I mean there was that package linick the banker from like 35 men which just made me almost break my flat screen television. I was I was not in a good place with that wage. Then I could not believe it. I mean cuz I have five thousand thirty minutes. So that's a class of Kelly done. Other than that 3. I mean I want to get credit. Go ahead. Go ahead go, I want to give credits a small strip for figuring out. Okay, I got to dump none dumb Peggy and just like roll with my my six year with hee-ro essentially and even as bad not as bad like that's that's that was a win anytime using the game. Right? And he was just creating, you know, he had his shoe. His shot has not been has been non-existent in Orlando and Ed. Our is is not you know, he's he's shoved himself at this point and isn't really useful in this series. So at least so far. So yeah credit to Spoelstra for just say hey, we're going to go with all these guys that are going to give you problems right now and the Celtics, you know, we're able to answer. I think it's just if you can't shoot you can't play in this series. That's like that's the NBA right now, but it is so glaring like Andre Iguodala has value in a lot of different ways, but like for Miami's offense to really functioning of the Celtics which you know, they're switching everything. They're really not creating a lot of like solid looks for anybody. I mean Duncan Robinson Springs free every now and then but he also hits really difficult shots. Like that's what it is. Like if you're if you're someone who can be ignored or someone who I mean the Celtics as I said earlier they put Tice wage Router late, but Crowder shooting threes and like that's not really something that you'd necessarily are in love with if your Boston but it's the smartest matchup that you can have with tights on the court. I want to know go look real quick to talk about Tatum for 2 seconds. I wrote a story yesterday about Tatum step back three real quick and he just like I just want to bring that up in the context of the zone and like to not see him break that out one time. I mean he tried to at one point but he slipped because the floors down in Orlando a nice Rochas there there's but I mean guys are slipping and sliding everywhere. He tried once like kind of stumbled a little bit and couldn't get the shut-off. But like that's the shot that makes him so special and I just would like to see him get it off over the top off of Miami's length on that zone. I mean, I think that that is I would like to see him just be more aggressive with like taking threes in general. I guess I do like seeing him drive, you know, I do like say I'm guessing the line all that. That's what it stars. Do he's a star but like there was that one position where he had Tyler hero isolated long, it takes this like he could have taken a step back three thought he was going to go to it instead. He takes Tyler to like the left elbow and just like bricks a fallaway contested for no reason like that was just like what are you doing did so I I want him to be more aggressive and I want to decisions to be a little cleaner but otherwise like Yeah, I mean, I'm just with you in terms of he he doesn't seem like he is moving as well as he was in game one and game to maybe it's just the headband. I don't know how long I mean twelve shots is just not in 42 minutes that just isn't enough like your fourth on the team in chat attempts and you are by far the team player and you're also shooting well so that only two three point attempts to your point, he needs to be more aggressive he needs to you know, and that's again when you when you're facing down and he's turning down looks against it that is when things start to unravel and that's what we saw in game two. So, all right. What are we expecting here in game three baths. This is really I mean, not that it it isn't big enough already, but you have three days off after game three, so you don't you could either be fuel You know you get the window for the Celtics you get extra rest for everyone and you have Hayward closer to do for ya. So game for is on Wednesday. The announced that late last night because they ESPN is doesn't want a double up against Monday Night Football on Monday. And so and obviously the East finals ahead of the West finals. So they they announced last night. They have three days off there and then it's every other day for game four through seven. So a really nice little pocket rest of me. I mean, yeah, this is so this is this is this is not that that's going to like, you know win them a game or anything but that's Tatum's banged up. I mean right back it can help a lot and it also took play everyone, you know forty forty-five minutes in this game and give them ample breasts before game fort. Yeah, no, that's that's very interesting. I did not know that you were breaking this to me. I just assumed cuz they were doing the dumb like every other night thing ranchers. I don't think anybody likes that except maybe LeBron, but now that that I think that that is like not a significant Advantage for the Celtics, but I'm really nice for them. Cuz I mean obviously the Miami Heat gets arrested too and dragon. She's in the spring chicken and Jimmy just turned 31, but but yeah that that is that's a pretty big deal. I would say for sure and yeah, they're going to play I mean if I was Brad Stevens game 3 is Game 4 to me it's game seven. It's you have to win the game. So long like Jayson Tatum is going to have to be ready mentally to play 42 minutes. I would say maybe more like we're going to have to play like a game. Even talk about the camera thing where how many minutes did he play in game two, he played at least once they thirty-nine or forty in game two was down to 34. Okay, I mean no. No, he played I'm sorry. 39 or 14 game want it was only thirty-four in game two. Okay. Yeah, this is weird. That was weird to me seeing him. I send a text to you guys at the end of the first half when he's on the bench and they can't get it. I mean they wasted like you have time outs. Like I just didn't understand why you wouldn't call time out and get Kemba in the game, especially with how well he was playing every possession matters. Like I just don't talk again not to like criticize Brad Stevens, but like if Kemba does not have a health issue. What is what are we doing here like get him and get him on the floor like every again every possession month. She want to maximize your ability to put the ball in the basket, but he does have it. I thought you yeah. Well, yeah sure but he's also like I don't know there was a burst to him and that first-half where he doesn't look down. He was being transferred by anything physically. It's like midnight tonight thing for him. He looks like and last night. He had it doesn't seem to be a problem at the end of game when he couldn't drive by Jae Crowder, but I just assumed that that is more of a fatigued thing than a knee pain thing. But yeah, I'm not a doctor. I'm not him. I don't know how he's feeling. But yeah, I thought that that was weird. And so again like back to my home regular Point like if you're kept but you gotta be ready to go over 40 minutes. Like that's kind of what it is. If you're Marcus Smart, you gotta practice much just play the game. I mean, yeah, is there anything else that we didn't hit like it should Jalen. I know we talked at the top about like being upset the the, you know, the thoughts emotions in the locker room afterwards like you guys covered this After game one and a really good episode Jalen just like not getting the ball and that being a part of the offense all of a sudden and really taking it upon himself in the second half be it on the glass with really nice put backs those threes that were like ended up being too little too long, but he had a really good look in the corner that could have tied the game. Right? I mean he was he was like the only dude who was like I'm here to compete in bust my ass. Honestly thought I was viewing it. Yeah, I mean offensively he saved them in crunch time that could have been a 10-point loss unless he started hitting some threes in clutch spots like he did late home. So yeah, it's for him like He needs to be more involved in the offense and smart and is hidden mysteries of times and you know, kemon Tamara doing their thing but Jalen's at one point scorer who's probably going to have a disadvantage anytime. Miami's not playing The Zone against whoever's guarding him when those guys are running Advantage. I mean examine that's that's our men. So that needs to be a continued priority and when he's wide open during the hoop and smarts taking a pulp 3 on the brake like that can't happen like those like you points need to be had and gave unselfishly need to be only 6 assists in the second half for the others in that game. And that means everyone need to get involved more and I think it starts to a large degree of Jalen. I think the one thing that'll say about Jalen that's a little critical is part of the reason why he doesn't have the ball in his hands and a lot of these spots is he doesn't like look up pass when he gets the ball sure. So I mean like his role on the team for the most part is like the exclamation point and you know, he hit a lot of Like pretty tough and not great in terms of efficiency pull up tues throughout that game. I thought like when he got the ball, he was like screw everybody. I'm shooting and it ended up working out for him. But that's just not it was not like in the flow of the offense at all, either great and against the Zone. It's just it's it's kind of hard when you're stuck in the corner to get those good looks that you want cuz my name is just so long and active so I don't know. I like I don't know how you get him involved cuz you don't want to have him engage at the top of the key as you do with Kemba and Tatum. Those are like your primary Playmakers and smart, right? So, I don't know what the answer is beyond. Get stops and really take advantage and transition which he tries to do. I think like he could be a maybe a little bit more aggressive in that way but dead but I don't know. I don't know in the half-court necessarily how he can get it going Beyond being like the garbage pail energy guy. Yeah, I mean against his own I think that's what he has to has to be and maybe you get you know, you get the right people in the right spots in that zone. But like I said, like his passing is not a strength and that's something you know that he may use this known for us to they know that and they kind of neutralizes them a little bit. But like I said, you get stops you get the heat out of the Zone by, you know, finding the seams elsewhere in it, which are still there. They've the Celtics have seen enough Zone in this postseason to to know what's there even with the the various tweaks. They're seeing but it's you know, it's it's a two-way thing like dead. For as for the hustle we see on the offensive glass. He's also still mixed missing box outs in critical spots on the other end. So it's everyone's kind of has their issues in that game. It's why it you know Domino Don them into a second straight early loss and you know, everyone those they're not good enough to overcome those against a team in Miami now looks like yeah. So are we doing I don't want to do a prediction. I'm not too I'm too superstitious. I'm a baby and I've been a confident in Boston in the series like and to an extent. I still believe that they are like the better team quote unquote. Like I sound like Paul George right now, but I'm like, I do think that the Celtics are just better. I really do both those games were coin flips, Miami is not a pushover by any stretch but like the Celtics should be a dog. duo in this serious just based on like what they showed in the second round against Toronto and the just like the Baseline talent that they have I mean Yeah, I so I'm not going to say anymore. But I I still think like if you're the Celtics or if you're the cell if you're a Celtics fan off the last time that a team in the Eastern Conference Finals is down o to guess what happened? They won the next four games and then won the championship so long season is far from over. I'll just say that and this Series has been a lot of fun so far Gerald Green start game three. You just need dragich to fracture a thumb right then and then we gotta go and that's the answer. 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82: What's next for Celtics after Gordon Hayward injury?

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82: What's next for Celtics after Gordon Hayward injury?

"This is the winning Place podcast on the clns Via Network the leading online provider for the India is winning his franchise. They're welcome back to the winning Place podcast with Brian Rob and Michael. R. Maurice Levine. That's right. Tina is back. But unfortunately Gordon Hayward is out. We'll discuss the short and long-term implications of Koreans injury will talk about the Celtics game 1 win over the Seventy Sixers Jayson Tatum, and Jaylen Brown are absolutely ridiculous first. As always, please subscribe to this podcast, wherever you listen, give us a follow on Twitter. That's at winning players pod. Shout out to see on this media. Shout out to bet online. Michael piano. Welcome back, my friend. Thank you. Thank you. So happy to be here. You guys are incredible job in my absence used to suck up comes back. Just watch the season turn just crumble away home. I have two quick questions for you, you know to get a to get us re-acclimated question one of all the pieces you've written for GQ and the last few weeks even do a lot of work over there. Which one are you most proud of wage? Well, I did this story about group economics and trying to explain what that was cuz some guys in the league three players are wearing a group economics on the back of their jerseys as their social social justice message. And when I first saw that as an option, I had no idea what it was or what it meant. So I talked to thought the players Anthony Tolliver and David West who I found out was the reason for it because he was kind of the inspiration a few years back and that was cool. And apparently it did well traffic-wise which I don't personally care about I guess but is but you're going to say most intense most importantly exactly well throughout the question. Exactly. Yes, not trying to spread a message of you know, social justice. But as long as people click, that's all I really care about. Okay, you got your priorities in line while your doing awesome over there. Very cool to see see that everyone check him out GQ GQ long is that is that where to go? Okay, so from from from group up in economics to education reform question to the lack of impact. All right rank it from 1 through 10. How hard are the Celtics going to feel this Gordon Hayward injury. So Gordon Hayward is out what four weeks with a sprained right? Ankle be robbed is that the that the official statement gave us a release from the team and from doing research and talking to people in sports medicine for weeks sounds optimistic for a grade three ankle sprain in general. And so hopefully maybe it's a less severe when I don't know. Obviously the Celtics know plenty more the doctors than we do on that front. But if you look at other grade three strains Rental League, it's a lot of them have been dead for more than four weeks. So. What do you think went through 10 or is this going to be felt? I think in the first round against Philly, I'd put it at like a boar. I'm not I don't really think it's that big of a deal to be honest. I think Boston is just a lot better and more Marcus Smart more Grant Williams more whoever does they can survive that for sure and I might even be a little bit better off in the short-term. I think beating it seemed like the Raptors without Gordon Hayward and not having him in one of those lineups that off. You know, when Toronto wants to get super versatile. They can get super versatile and Gordon Hayward just kind of key to unlocking that for Boston. So that's going to be real tough and I'm real interested to see who who Brad Stevens kind of leans on out of the guys. You know, I just mentioned Marcus I mentioned Grant Williams like Romeo Langford dead. Is like is he going to play Brad Wanamaker be Rob's boy. Like I don't know how they're going to kind of make up for what Gordon provides particularly on the defensive end. So for Thursday at series, I'm like that's a 7 or an aide maybe even higher honestly might be rub answer penis question. How are the Celtics going to react what's know who is going to who you think is the first call I mean obviously office is probably going to start I would think so we gotten that I think so. I want to take Peter to task for a second here though. It's for they might be better off about Hayward in the series this this Philly series about how many points did Marcus Smart score the other day better off probably a slight example, I mean went back to me if you I agree with you sure. It's not a huge loss. But like I mean, yeah they were it is maybe that's 35 minutes locked in then you're going to get Good defense. Oh fifty points album hayward's terrific. He's been playing really well in the bubble be right by now, you wrote something about him recently. It's a blown know for sure. But I'm just kind of like you watch what Jalen did last night you watched. What Tatum did it just like more opportunities for those guys and gals and pressure as well. Yeah. Those guys were born in the darkness. Come on. They're ready to go. Sure. I know I agree but this is going to be the first time on this stage that there's going to be no choice, but if they don't come through when I guess you have Kemba, who's where we think about kember he actually he was the fourth quarter last night, like he eleven points in the fourth quarter from very slow start, but I agree for it. I mean like that's I think that's your biggest Factor now with with Hayward around Campbell could kind of ease back into things during the series, but now Kemba has to dominate as much money. Actually if they're putting Shake noting on them to start games and putting Richardson on Tatum or brown, I feel pretty good about that though. I had a thought last night that I think at the same time Campbell looks pretty good. And he's also clearly the third best player on the Celtics like the both. Those things are true. I don't think he's the third-best because he doesn't look like himself. I think, you know pretty close to a hundred percent. Kemba Walker is not as good as or not as important as jail and Jason. So funny enough. I I kind of agree with your sentiments but I a couple days ago before long before Gordon got hurt. I pitched Thursday to 5:38 wanting to write about Kemba as like the narrative with the Celtics is kind of like there'll only go so far as Tatum and Jaylen take them, but I'm kind of like I know more or less what I'm getting with Tatum and Jaylen like I think they're like think of the world of them. I think they're great. I think they'll score. I think they'll defend wage they'll do all that and play terrific basketball. Those are the guys that the Celtics are relying upon but Campos kind of like that player who really increases your variance now whereas he was supposed to be stable rock where you knew what you were getting with Kemba. I don't think he's scored over 20 points since before like shortly before the All-Star break in a game. I think 19 last night so long His ability to go up and then there's like all these different numbers that I've been looking at with Kimba that have me optimistic that he can really step up. I just I'm fascinated by Kemba. I'm fascinated by him against him his ability to get points against the Raptors. I'm already moving past the six or some Spanish like them I respected. Yeah, but like his ability to create offense by himself off the bounce against Toronto is going to be really fascinating and then, you know, if you are fortunate enough to get passed around so kambo needs to have a big series with the pull-up threes against Milwaukee if you want to be Milwaukee, assuming Milwaukee beats the Devon today, Orlando Magic who has a recording this right now are giving them everything. They've got so Kemp is like huge all of a sudden even more so than I thought he was like a few days ago and I thought it was huge a few days ago. I mean he has to make pull up three. It's against the law. Philly now, I think if to avoid a seven-game slugfest because really I think I mean I just hope that that team sorry, but I just don't I just don't feel like the six are in the same as the Celtics even without Gordon but you thought you think that without Gordon it's a potential seven-game series. Yes, I think based off of you know, you got pretty terrific games from Tatum and brown last night long and you got nothing from your bench which isn't a big deal when you have you're starting five at full strength, but now if you're moving smart into the starting five and he's not hitting threes then fingers can get a c in a hurry and I mean maybe it's just a decent time to talk about how Brad Stevens should handle the situation and maybe who's going to get who deserves the most opportunity now knowing that, you know, smart replaces into the starting five, but he's already playing third two minutes a game. So hayward's 35 minutes have to go elsewhere. I think you're looking at dead. Three guys, or maybe even for guys Wanamaker Lankford Grant Williams, and I'm usually who had a DMP and game one month. Yeah, what do you think? They're I think I'm I'm starting to think now just as we're talking and kind of brainstorming like Is it possible that Marcus Smart is not the automatic guy who goes into the storyline up. Sure. I mean if if that is if that is the case like if they were playing the Bucks, I'd be like, yeah, they're going to play show me that would make a lot of sense, right? I think they're going to I think I don't think they're going to start Grant Williams. I think Grant Williams going forward is just like humongous for them in this and he does a lot of different things from Gordon Hayward not he's not going to be like running your offense, but he's just still just like super smart can knock down the spot up. Three's he's got such a great nose for the ball that play last night where he drove on the ground and created a second opportunity. I just think Grant Williams is like a really great rookie. And so you think you potentially gets to start It wouldn't totally stunned me. If he was in the starting lineup for game two. I'll just say that yeah, like I think that makes sense too cuz you kind of when you have Walker Jalen and Tatum on the floor together. It makes sense to hide someone in there offensively again. This is theis it does make things dangerous home taste the way they're Saginaw from already ties has to hit some threes for this to work. But throwing in smart with that group clearly hell's helps you from a ball handling a standpoint and potentially three-point shooting standpoint, but it also leaves your bench rotation, like totally exposed to a degree and that is a dangerous proposition in case of foul trouble or anything else. So in Grant Williams can guard Horford He can you know hold his own against and switches against some wings that we saw that in his comments to in game one. So I don't I don't hate the idea smart is the same choice, but if Stevens wants to get creative, I think Great Waves might be the logical choice that he mixes it up. So I really enjoyed watching Jalen gardel. I hate to lose that if they start Grant just just seeing I say that was that's just that's jail and totally locked in noting he's going he's going a bigger guy certainly having some familiarity with Al from the last few years. I thought he was great in the early going against Al I agree. I'm I'm so glad you brought up Al Horford worst contracts in the League comic the screamer the screamer off for now. What was that? I was I was stunned watching that on television. I was first of all, why did he not get a technical foul for that? Like if that was a game at home and he gets technical foul, right? I think it's cuz it's Al Horford and they'd arrest felt bad. I don't know. It's like they were just shocked know they'd know. Yeah. Yeah, it should have been shacked. Is that the most emotion? He's like ever shown his p number, you know, when you get six six and six and a playoff game you can understand not being able to control your emotions. I saw his I saw the box score afterwards cuz I wasn't keeping track of it when I was watching the game. I assume that Al Horford had like twenty and twelve and there was it was literally his six point. It's like man didn't know if maybe you say real quick. I didn't know if maybe take off cuz it looked like he was screaming in the direction of Tatum. Yeah. I don't know if maybe one of one of Jason's earlier baskets if maybe he had yelled a little bit of grunted it out. Potentially. It seemed retaliatory to me. Yeah, I'm sure there is some fun good-natured trash. Going on with those those guys since they are I think they still have good relationships. But I mean that was the one I think I was in the middle of like 900 or five or six years run the one time where the C has got a little uneasy and then they turned around but I mean Jalen's play on offense against whoever I wouldn't be surprised. I'm if table table something starts for Hartford and they just play him off the bench as a center because he can't handle Jalen and then I guess that's the case where you don't put great Williams in because that's somewhere for corporate to hide defensively. Whereas if you put Smart in their smart can at least feet or foot off the dribble and you know, give the Sixers defense them that way. Yeah, we have it. By the way, we haven't talked about what Tatum did you know jail and kind of finished it but for that stretch, I think that was maybe part of the struggles in the third quarter after taking one out, but everyone had been kind of hypnotized but what he had been doing for the previous, you know ten minutes or so, but any cuz you mentioned be robbed that you know, Jalen and Tatum both had terrific games, but is that the new Jayson Tatum you said traffic is that just going to be the expectation every time it goes out and I maybe he's not going to be as dominant as he was for the for that for that stretch of time, but that was pretty special. Yeah, I mean I think in this series Mike like this, is there kind of kind of neat that for them now right like who's going to stop them from getting that? I personally expect him to do those things. Like when the game was on the line in the Celtics needed a bucket at the end. He just put his head down and got to the free-throw line. Like that's what superstars Dodge do. It's like very simple. It's what separates them from like merely very good players. Like he is a straight-up offensive Superstar already and I'm like, I I'm not like super caught off guard or Spellbound when he has performances like that and then his ability to transfer it to the defensive end that play where he slapped. I forgot to shut off the glass that started a fast break the other way Richardson. Yeah, like you saw that coming a mile away when you're watching the game live like you knew he was going to slap it off the glass like that's just he's dead and he is he's a really special player. I have like this really random comment that I wanted to bring up earlier and I can't find a place to put it so I'm just going to verbal masturbated right off. Um, but title the title right there, did you guys get like how weird was it to see the contrast between the Celtics coaching staff's office Green polos and the Sixers. It's like tucked in green polos makes a lot of sense and then the Sixers coaching staff, but Brown they have like a bow and packed like button Downs that whatever was Tommy Bahama. I don't think they weren't even like the right size is like Brett Brown's didn't look like it was the right size. It was I think that what they were all untucked like, I think it was that company. My wife was like is that the company untucked or they actually wearing those shirts? I went on sponsorship deal. Yeah. So am I hope you're writing about this by the way, I mean, this is Mike streets. You coming to the Forefront right now? Like I didn't even notice this this I had this this was bothering me. I was like Brett Brown needs to he looks I I love God. Brand, he looked terrible at the whole staff just horrendous. It was embarrassing. So you need to write about that. Seriously, you know that will go more viral than than than group economics. You look particularly disheveled when you're like screaming at your team because they suck and they've just committed their eleventh turn over and the last five minutes when your shirt is untucked and your shirt does not fit. I'm just going to fill that out there in like Brad Stevens look great. And who do you think makes the call on those like where the coaches the coaches talk before the games being like? Okay. We're going to go what color Polo are we going? Like the time Bahama or not? Like, who do you think I should call is Mike? I don't know. That's a good that's a good question. I know exactly I wrote a whole story about the suit versus like comfy look for coaches, but that's old news. Now. This is now we're looking we know you've gotta get inside the the Wardrobe options in the bubble guys not to break up the wardrobe talk about sports keep coming back in case you've noticed says your chance to bet on them with our exclusive wagering partner wage. Online. 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Like, there's been another level of confidence and Swagger and shit talking and it helped that he was that he was mic'd up he seems and maybe this is part of not having fans to he seems a lot more comfortable with utterly embarrassing the competition than maybe he did as early as February. I think he feels and he maybe should that he's like the best player on the court regardless of who else is out there. And in fact that kind of that confidence reflects itself in his behavior is you're saying rich like it is hard to parse like the difference between the difference between just like him being miked up and us getting that that special both looks live looks at at things that he's saying and in relation to other players him being dead louder and all that, but I was also I did this interview with Robert Covington and he I asked him what the weirdest thing about the bubble was and he was like, it's truly a strange not playing with fans and not having the energy in the adrenaline that they provide and he thinks that teams that actually are loud and they've like talked about this the Rockets like the ladder you are like the birth Or you will be and you will perform. I don't know what that's about but I thought that was really interesting and maybe the Celtics have talked about something similar where it's like we want you to really express yourself more than you otherwise would cause your teammates need an energy source to feed off of yeah, I mean that was the big thing that brought tears talk around their first scrimmage against Oklahoma City against Chris Paul when Paul is just dominating the game of his voice and like you said like it seems like a a little thing but when there's no one around to get that extra adrenaline rush or push or whatever it's going to have to come from the bench or it's going to happen from your teammates on the floor and Tatum might be just buying into that himself more here. I personally just think he's excited that he doesn't have to deal with Ben Simmons and can literally do whatever she wants against this team. Whether it's Josh Richards, I mean table is a a good match up but it that's more he's great. Just contesting the shots off the screens and stuff like a job. Early the matchup. He would go to the Post right? He would destroy him. You can beat him. He can beat him one-on-one. That's more like around screens table can be more of a menace. But yeah, it's there's not a lot of guys to be scared of on the Sixers defense on the on the wing. That's for sure. I'm glad terrible got that block on the three-point attempt out of his system run the jump shot like that. She showed at the Tatum early enough now that he can adjust cuz that that would mean that was a really impressive play real quick. So I'm seeing right now that the magic or up 12 on Milwaukee with five minutes left p and I was talking to be Robert about this before he came on but we talked the whole season's about wanting to avoid a second-round match up with Milwaukee. So any chance that maybe Toronto is the team that you want to avoid in the second round. There is a chance. Yes, Tomatoes defense is ridiculous. Like they come to play every night with a different scheme that they're able to execute. They go through like twelve deep their offense has been like pretty up and down. But I mean, I'm personally not worried about it. And I don't think they are either like they have Shooters long as you can go off the bounce. They have a lot of different weapons siakam hasn't even like looked special at all in the bubble and he will in all likelihood not show up in meaningful moments. So I mean Toronto super scary Fred vanfleet just looks like he's going to get a Max contract. I guess down there tough Fred you look at Milwaukee. Like I'm not going to totally overreact to one potential loss against right? They might didn't even lose yet in Orlando beat the Raptors game. Game one last year. This is Orlando loves to take the game. Once they also had Jonathan Isaac in that game. I will say and I haven't been closely watching this game. But I think markelle fultz been drilling threes is what I saw on my Twitter timeline, so don't quote me on that, but I don't know if that's the same one free, but he is having again. Okay 134 from Markel. That's that's good. That's a fact. But no, I think that you know on one hand you'd have to go up against Yiannis who is still just an absolutely ridiculous basketball player Kris midleton just torch is the Celtics every single time they play each other. I don't know both teams are really good and it's kind of is what it is. You're like going to play the rap song so might as well get ready for that match up I guess and you're going to play them both eventually if you're going to do anything with the season. Well, oh Miami Heat over Milwaukee Bucks around 2. Let's go. Yeah, maybe that's the call ya bucks haven't looked right in or in Orlando yet kind of like the Lakers will see whether that matters not pretty quickly in these playoffs, but clearly game one is a concern thousand bucks as they fall further behind the fourth quarter. What's the latest on Romeo Langford? Just just wrist was yeah. So let's yeah we should talk about him. I want to talk about just Random Jewel of grab bag on the bench here to to close things off to get your guys take away. But yeah, he's so he's got torn wrist ligaments. I believe in his shooting hand them to play through it. He's going to need surgery on eventually, but for now according to Brad Stevens It's a just a strictly a pain tolerance issue. So they're going to he's going to play through it and now he's certainly going to do that. He's going to get a chance to play through it with with Hayward out of the picture. I would imagine like shooting probably pretty tough was torn wrist ligaments as someone who's broken their wrist a couple of times. I admire him greatly for even trying to play through this in the first place, but I do think his defense is good enough where he's worth having around even though he's a non-factor offensively What was his injury at Indiana wasn't it a rest? There was some some ligaments. He played through it the season of torn some ligaments. I believe in you. Do you know if that was off hand is not shooting hand. I think there was a shooting here to let me look it up. I know I'm just throwing like trivia obscure Romeo Langford. Trivia. Yeah. I'm going to go like Choice Costanza start checking his hands a little bit. I was just right film I believe. So, yeah. Romeo I mean whenever I watch him like his impact is way more about like not shooting the basketball obviously if you're on the floor in a playoff series you have to be able to like threaten the defense at the very least as a spacer, but I feel like he has this good instincts actual game where they can cut and he can rebound particularly offensive glass and he's like, you know, he's energy high-energy and I don't like my expectations for what he could contribute in a series against like the Raptors is pretty minimal, but I don't know like, you know, I don't see him like hitting 530 playoff game. I do see him potentially, you know taking a charge here and there and and just using his energy but like what is that really does suck? Matter existential I like it went from trivia trivia to existential reality. That's nice. What do you guys think of time Ward now in this series going forward after month? I don't a rocky game one performance will say but nicely. I think we talked a lot about how much the game slowed down for him and those eight games and against Philly was like he was back on the the super-fast treadmill, you know, I mean like the the cam the composure I think and listen, I understand you're going up against well and bead and a game where and well wasn't being still out there when when Williams made his first appearance. He was right. Yeah, and he he a chance against both but and it was a tire as well and be but I could I could understand why things were going a little bit faster for him. I think it showed I'm ready to throw rolling back out there and game too though. I'm confident that he can still contribute. I think I was kind of noticing and maybe I'm wrong cuz I haven't looked it up. But like I'm pretty sure his second stint and every I don't know how many since he actually had but God intentionally they were trying to make it so he wouldn't be on the floor at the same time as embiid and they were kind of just balancing it with theis and with cancer in those and it's yeah, but like Robin Williams, like I haven't had an opportunity to gush on him about him on this pot. So you're just out. I know he's might be you know, how many things like defensive player of the year or two? We thinking here like a minimum is that I think you're treated this piano about him being one of the scariest closers that club it's terrifying his ability. I mean, he used to talk about how Jordan could like start from under the hoop and block a 3-pointer. Maybe that's hyperbole, but I'm pretty sure that time where it might suck. Able to do that arms jumping ability instincts quickly at the elbow and his man is like behind the three-point line on the wing catches the ball and timelord jump off at the elbow and it's just like it's like a contest. It's it's like truly there's no one else in the league. Who does that? I'm not even kidding. Like I can't think of anybody else like that's like a guard version of like dejounte Murray or something like that where he he just like appears in your face, but he's so much bigger and his arms are just like their wives. So in a few years. I think he's going to be like a like I think he's the future starting center of the team and like his instincts of really impressed me also in the bubble and he was like looks like a basketball player, which I really wasn't expecting but yeah like Time Lord, man, he just makes you take a deep breath when you're watching a What do you think B Rob is or did he lose any confidence or Brad Stevens in and game on I think you have to think about it to agree with great way of saying the chance in the fourth quarter in a spot where he matched up against Al Horford to Mike's Point in terms of you know, Cantor matching up against embiid Hayward being out does change that Dynamic since you could theoretically go off with some, you know, Williams Williams front lines for a spot here and there when impedes off the court if you're trying to spread the rest around. Yeah, he just he deserve he's played well enough alone know where he deserves another shot here cuz that's what I think. It's first real playoff minutes in that game. So but I think you something nice now in terms of the the present the future I agree with you guys totally welcome to the center of the future, but for now the Trust might be tested a little bit. So I mean when when when ambient start sucking win like you like you did I mean, what was it late first-quarter wage? This is the second quarter. I think Williams is the last guy that he wants to see. Yeah, cuz he really abused him for a little bit and that and that first stretch I missed an easy shots to like everyone on the Celtics did but I think on Thursday nights, like he'll be he'll be able to have a few more baskets as well. Yeah, I think the bunnies their day. Mr. Lee. He I mean he missed a donkey missed a couple that's like he has to be out. He has to take his time when he shoots Mike and that's what he did really well in the bowl games when you shall I quit like eighty-five ninety percent, but now he was on Fast Forward again in these games and that's not going to not going to go. Well. Yeah, I'd admire the the the New York next put out an Instagram post of Mitchell Robinson and His field goal percentage right next to Wilt Chamberlain and his record field goal percentage and they were shaking hands. Oh god, he's a really great and it's like why Instagram was invented for stuff like that should be illegal. And so when you were talking about like as high that's what made me think of but now I I think yeah, I agree with you he needs to slow things down mentally wage. Um, what was that basically like his first playoff game kind of and he's in the bubble and it's just all weird and you're going up against the Marquee Center and change and and everyone's been hyping him non-stop for the last week pretty much he seems like the type of person who has been paying attention to that which I to be fair. I would do I would be reading all the tweets. I would be searching my name on Twitter when I woke up in the morning before I went to bed. So shout out to him for that. This is where the bubble really hurts cuz now would be the perfect time as a single NBA player to to he's going up torturous. Yeah. It's a true, uh, damned-if-you-do damned-if-you-don't situation, you know. All right. Should we should we close this out with some predictions for the rest of the series? Yeah, what I want to hear the percent chance of you guys thinking this others could lose a series right now. Okay, you can say the crazy thing first, you know, you're going to say 100. No, wait, the chance of them losing. Yeah, the chance of losing of them losing losing losing. Yeah, so zero, do you think it's 0 Mike? I think it's 15 Okay, I'll say 10 a.m. Again, we don't know like knock on wood. I mean like Jalen and Tatum could get injured. We don't know but assuming it's not a m i n e horrible injuries. I'm going to say like 10% I I just don't think I don't think in beads long for the series I said this earlier to to be right. I think that that's the best and beat you're getting I don't think he has it in him to give much more. He was out of breath by the second quarter. I just don't think physically he can dominate as consistently as he needs to. I agree and I just can't believe after four years in Philly. They don't have a point guard then get him the ball. It's just argue and tell you that they do have one and that his bags or whatever like injury that whatever quicker that can shoot that can get him the ball. Yeah, which is seems to be pretty packed in across the NBA right now, but for some freaking, uh trained Burke, it's like tearing at all in Dallas. He was in Philly last year. Like, why would you let someone like that goes off simple pick-and-roll point guard you can shoot threes and run some kind of pick and roll with Joel embiid because late in the game, you can't like entering the in the ball in the post office in the game is just really difficult great guys fronting him guys, like helping from the weeks. He's the focal point. So the Celtics are daring and hoping that someone else in the team. Shoot that's probably going to be like Alec Burks who was taking all sorts of crazy shows last night and had himself a great game. Whatever that's never going to happen. Again Rich. Remember I brought him up. You did took flash. Yeah. Yeah that was his 15 minutes right there. And I know I'm I'm sounding really mean I don't mean you know, but the fact that that was the Alec Burks game, right? That's that's what they need to talk to to win. This series is performances from guys like that and they guide instilled I think again, it was closed. I think they still kind of got their asses kicked. I felt like the Celtics were were toying with the with the Sixers a little bit. So you're wasting that that game from him. I don't think you'll get another one and I again I said I said Sixers I said Celtics and five at the beginning and I'm waiting a little bit more towards towards a sweep now, but, I'll stick stick my Celtics and 5. I was thinking Celtics and six Mike Woody. What's your what's your tally? I'm still Celtics and five years. So I had before the series started I The Sweep would kind of Be Wild but what's really interesting about all this is like there's no job opportunity for momentum if the Celtics win game to what is Philly doing like are they competing in game three like what is their mentality? So, um as even a mentally tough team you worry about that and a team also real quick like you talked to like players in the bubble. Some of them are just like, you know, Like teams players on teams that know that they can't win the championship are just like I really want to see my family. Like I really don't want to be in the bubble right now. Like this is a weird eyes lighting experience. So there's that a factor as well for a team like the Sixers if they were to go down to you don't know how they would react and by the way that's going to be such an advantage for the Celtics moving forward is that it seems that they are enjoying being there together and they really believe in their ability to win this title and like they they have a collective Mission and that's going to go a long way as we move forward. It's going to be fun to watch. All right, so we'll put a bone that I'm sorry. We're going to have to spend the next episode guys talking a lot more about Brad Wanamaker cuz we really didn't get anything in here on Thursday needs to be featuring prominently these next few games, but we'll be back to see how these these look like, uh without hammering the fold what adjustments they make money and whether they to see is can put this Philly team away early. So we'll be back with that later this week in the meantime hit us up at winning plays pod on Twitter at Michael V peena at Richmond Australian at Bryant. He robbed check mike stuff out on JQ. He's been coming over there as well and I'll be off classes first year or per usual and I think that's it guys.

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"Off the subject stuff lot with your host just the bulb and John do welcome just selling stuff lying on the ceiling s media Network the leading online provider of audio and video coverage for the Boston Celtics in the playoffs in a Conference Finals. You know, John we did our predictions the last time I said to 4 or 5 and 7 for the last two games since that we recorded after game one. We definitely got the split but we didn't get the split the way we wanted it, which is going to require the Celtics to win two stints of two in a row or a stint of three in a row. Or row, that'll be nice. But this is a tough road. You lose game too. It's a tough. Now. I keep seeing on Twitter that the last two off Eastern Conference Finals representatives in the finals were down to and now so it's not out of the question. I think the Celtics really are the better team. It's nice. Gordon Hayward back. It's nice to see things starting to mesh and they're healing and I think maybe that's the place to start even though it's been over discussed. I can tell that Gary Washburn especially is not on your Christmas list. Well, it's you know, I don't think he's doing it maliciously wage. I mean, I think a lot of them on the Twitter World think it's delicious, but I'm just kind of tired of like like the end of that game. You know that Anthony Davis, you know, three, you know the Dead Again, the Denver Lakers game game. Oh, yeah, right the game-winner. I mean he see that tweet and then 90 seconds later. I see it on t v, you know, and it's like I like it when it's a positive thing for the Celtics, you know, but it's it's really kind of a bummer like if you're going to live tweet like I think I think this can be some rules for people in the bubble on the live-tweeting thing, you know, so if you're listening Boston Globe if your list of that was a fence number to forgot out with this number for you. Oh you want to talk about the other night? Yeah game too. And that's a game to the positioning of the yelling and the locker room. And yes, there's you but then felt like the straw that broke the camel's back was the the tweeting of the outcome of the Lakers game before anybody could see it and I agree with what you're saying. It's just unenforceable wage and I have been you know minutes behind or watching the games later, you know several times for various reasons. And so, you know, I've learned to put my phone on do not disturb line because it is when you know the outcome it does change the viewing experience. There is no doubt. And so, you know after I had to ignore multiple text log To just coming in and stuff on my phone when I was only an hour behind and that was last Friday. So I think that was the Toronto series. But anyway, you know, so I'm like I'm like trying to cover the screen as I watch and you know an hour behind and then then this week I learned my lesson if I'm starting Life phone goes on do not disturb. No notifications. Just lock it down watch the game in you know, uninterrupted and so that's worked out and I kind of feel like you gotta do that at the end of close games in the NBA to like you want to kind of Tweet back and forth. But you also get a protect yourself a little bit from refreshing that time line. It's it's too fun for me to to do it to ignore it though. I have too much fun with the give-and-take with the the tweeters out there. You know, like that's that's kind of my thing. You know, it's we're all kind of commercial break into the game then it'll come off a break you would listen. I've got my own ability to like I'm on this and on all of these different levels. I can follow all of this stuff at once and do it all really poorly wage, but the first week cuz that second plane was definitely an issue. But if we go back to the first tweet, the first tweet was definitely Sensationalistic, right and that's but for me actually really glad Gary did that because I think it called a lot of attention to it and it forced the Celtics to make that into a positive light when you make the media and anybody in you know, the general fan base the devil for commenting on your stuff. It pulls the team together. I love the foil action on that. I really do and I think they did a good job of responding in game three, but not as good of a job as they've done blowing freaking leads off in and and it looked like it might actually happen again in game three, so frustrating for them to basically dominate a serious and yet really struggling to close it out. I I don't know. I'm not as I'm not as as lathered up about the the the big lead thing, but I think there's a there's a little bit of small sample size theater going on there and it's not because I think that the Celtics are just amazed close out games. I just I don't know how how much it's that they're you know abnormal or or less than you know below average in that in that category. I mean, you've got a couple, you know, really hung it on the officials right now. Fischels. I don't think that was the case in game three, you know, there was definitely walk, you know plenty of places where you like em, but I don't think that was not somebody Miami shot their way back in and game three in Boston just could not keep, you know their hands on the throat. I mean dead. He felt better about the way game three ended, you know, I definitely felt better about the way they responded to some of the initial come back pressures that Miami had versus what we had sneaked in games one and two but it's still like they stake that big lead and and the first thing that crosses your mind is that ain't going to last and and whether it's Miami hitting crazy ridiculous job or the officials, like leaving the door open for drama, either way, there's a lot of drama around those leads and and it keeps you hooked even when it should be a blowout Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, I think they do keep you hooked. You're not going to you're not going to turn turn it off because only two safe. Yeah nolita say & Frac the Celtics. I mean they were out a game to you know, and they turned that into a game, you know what I mean? So does that mean Miami can't close it out know cuz they all sleep in club. But you know, the solid said that will one-possession game with what twenty seconds left or something 3 point game, you know, and Jaylen Brown. This is a wide open 3 and has already made that then who knows what happens, you know, I so, I guess you know, I think that there's there's a couple different ways I can go but I think any time you get with the way the game is now and the way to ensure that like anybody can come back, you know, nine points is three buckets, you know, you can create easily get three buckets, you know, whereas, you know, that's not always the case and then thought of that if calls are going your way or I mean the Celtics were in the bonus you had Titus and found out I mean, I think they were kind of you know, it did it did feel like they were cut off totally real fast under water and hoping to could stay afloat, you know, and and they did but, you know, Miami makes you work for it cuz they they're the other thing of Miami to and perhaps birth. Is why I think I think some of Toronto's like this too. They are they're tough-minded and they give you their all right, exactly. They're Relentless may never given up until the bomber. So, you know, if you think that somehow, you know, well, there's no coasting 30-second no coasting. Yep, and hopefully if they get to the finals it will walk, you know, hopefully they'll learn all the lessons they need to have learned but but I it's still risky. I almost feel like they needed to be in that whole but you never know how quickly they wind up climbing out of that hole. Hopefully, they don't get that level of of overconfidence, you know, Gordon hayward's back and it did make a difference in game three. Yeah, but but before we boarded I know they were like weights. I had Noah sorry and nobody's talking dog. About it. Nobody talking about it breaking news building stuff uncut inside joke there. This is how I walk in any way. So before we talk about Gordon, I want to build it into the fact that you know, there's three days off because when we did the last show, you know, we did our predictions we talked about things back thing that's been kind of carried out in the postseason or at least one that that has been on if it wasn't the last show as the show before telling you about having too much time off and does that break the Celtics Rhythm and is that an issue and you know, I I got opposed it again because it T's up Gordon, but I want you to answer the first half first, you know, usually the time off doesn't work. The team looked gas to start this series too though looked like they just didn't quite have the you know, the non non driving, you know to attack the paint seemed like they were hoping for an easy birth. Reality games one or two cuz they probably were a little gassed. So in the back of your mind, you're like these three days off could be really good for them Gordon Hayward plates over 30 minutes in his first game and you know what two months or whatever month and half long time and so looks pretty good, you know little rust but really no issues around explosion. I don't think definitely mentally still seeing the game the right way help the Celtics beat the Zone but playing over thirty minutes in the first game back even said ankles or 3 days for them to rest up a little bit. I think from the physical side and it was a very physical series against Philly and it was a very high minutes played in terms of physical series with Toronto with not a lot of time off in Miami had the time off we talked a lot about that after game one, but we also know that the Celtics do kind of get out of rhythm log. a lot of time off so I'm interested to hear your take four games for because I predicted they'd win games to four or five seven and I think you said 2356 was that you're winning games 2356 Yeah, I think it was. Yeah, I think you are right now. Oh, yeah. Yeah true. It's a losing game too was it was a bad one? Yeah. I really thought they were going to bounce back in game two. Yeah. I mean, I I think it's it. It's really hard to get to 6 here. You know, I mean, I think that Miami is going to be tough. They're just too tough to lose three in a row, you know what I mean? And that's basically what we need to do to get more and wait a foreigner over right in that case, right so long but you know, I think that the Celtics they needed that rest more than Miami. Did John Hollinger wrote a really interesting article for from the athletic talking about how Miami's in this great shape and Boston's had overtaxed our starters and so the Celtics are tired of the Heat or not, but now you get Hayward back and then you got three days off and that dog. Of balances things out and how like really the the MVP of mystery Drew Brees because the fact that that that the snake the states are playing Monday Night Football game last night meant that that bump the whole NBA schedule not just one day the two days which then got Boston, you know their game on Wednesday give you that everyday arrest month or two days and in a way the extra two days of rest, and I think they desperately needed it because that that Toronto series took a hell of a lot more out of them than what Miami had taken out of the home key right? There was I'm not saying was it was completely walking apart. But Miami only played nine games, they slept the first round. They only played five in the second round. Whereas the Celtics the only suck the first round sure but those hard-fought seven-game series and I'd argue that officiated had a lot to do with that. And so, you know, you got the Celtics. I think they were there winded and they're whipped and and now dead. You got rest and you got a Hayward to the mix. I mean, I think if you're my mu that's that's got a concern you will greatly going into getting for yeah, I do too. And if you remember after game one, I was wearing for enes Kanter and I definitely wasn't saying and it's Canada play thirty minutes a night but we fight. Yeah, I went thirty-five. I met I met all 48-48 never know almost got Marcus Smart in the pool that guy can play 48 minutes, but seriously, no, but seriously folks know like I just think there was definitely a role for him. I don't know that I had the match up against Kelly Olynyk the way that the details coming out on it. I just felt like there were moments especially because they weren't going inside where the Celtics would benefit from a few extra offensive rebounds since they weren't going to manufacture them on putbacks. Everybody camped out beyond the are worth. And I just felt like that could really maybe help spread it out a little bit and get now. It turns out that the real difference-maker on that was Jalen Brown just the way that he went after it in game three days after a I don't know. We'll call it an altercation just because it's you know, that's the world these days his altercation with Marcus Smart in the locker room. I think it was a fire that needed to be lit for everybody's sake but the fact that it brought out good old-fashioned Jalen to the rim was awesome because he's been shooting very well from Beneath The Arc in the postseason, but he's got a mix it up for this team. He's the best one to to attack the rim and for some reason I mean chemist getting a few of those but what you see from Kemba during regular season being able to get the Nifty layups and and drive, you know into the paint. We're not seeing that in the postseason. I think, you know Phillies and obvious reason defensively the page. Better play and what Toronto was able to get get away with with clutching and grabbing out on the perimeter had a lot to do with that but it's still plaguing them in this series against Miami and that could just be you know, running out of gas. It could be the way that they're defending, you know, Kemba, but he's still just not able to get in there Jalen though. He's finding his way in pretty easily actually, especially on her attacking early in the shot clock. That was the real key for that opening up for him. I think it's I think a part of it is they're they're keen on the defense top of it the top of the key. They they they don't want Kevin to get by to put you know, when they're going Zone, they're putting, you know, either Jack and and Butler at the top so by having, you know jail in the corner or what-have-you, you know, he's able to kind of attack those wage. Seems and you know, he's he's working and they're punishing which is what they absolutely need to do. They got to punish Duncan Robinson, which they did a great job in game three, they they they seem very sweet on that before before they'd even shut him down. I'm like, oh probably yeah, that's the way to stop an offensive threat is to make them a defensive liability. Oh, I put them in foul trouble may come over a play it frustrate them for the lapses on defense. You know, I don't think you're going to sometimes it really works to kind of put that player in the back light for their teammates, but Miami is just way too team-oriented and sound for that to actually happen as a result of making him a defensive liability. But but you can definitely get in this is Danny shot like shit. Right and I'll give I'll give credit to I'll give credit to Duncan Robinson because he you know, he got completely taken out of the game by himself just devastate him defensively and he came back and hit a number of big trees there the fourth quarter as they run up to eight. Yeah. Yeah credits credit to him to kind of get back in it but gave that to me. That's where this is the more the Celtics can attack and use their their physical advantages over here. Oh and Duncan Robinson and power outage. That's where on offense that's where they need to be focused defense. They those are the guys that can't let kill them, you know, but but I think draw gets in particular. I think we saw by the Celtics cutting off the head of the snake and most people would say, it's Jimmy Butler to be brother did not Step Up in game three, I expect a different Jimmy Butler game game for girls Jimmy Butler was not that's that'll be a game through that'll be a great thing. The more Jimmy has to do it the more it takes a confidence away from the rest of the team. That's precisely why they cut the head off a the snake. I love it. If Jimmy starts getting Hauge I'm not saying that they'll be mad at Jimmy I'm saying they'll be frustrated with themselves that they put him in a position where he has to do that and he's not going to be able to carry them on his own not on his own and draw get when he got inserted into the starting lineup because he tricked none got heard they even said that was involved in point for Miami and he's a great playmaker. So Marcus Smart on dragich. I'm a big fan. I don't think Marcus comes out of the starting lineup at all for that reason. There's a lot of discussion. I stay on the the Gordon Hayward they if they if they do decide that they want Gordon Hayward in the starting lineup, then it's gotta be cuz they go their wage. Five and they just try to run the shit out of them cuz that's yeah, that's that's I don't think they will either because then my big time it's but it's it's a good it's change of pace line up to go to the best side. It's it's a clothing line at maybe you know, because you're not going to post up you're not going to you're going to try to get you know, get guys get moved and I think that do you consider using Grant Williams or you know, I think they would tight. I don't think I mean Tice he doesn't match the serious dude, but I really have yeah. Yeah. Yeah way more free tax and the timing on the pick-and-rolls in the first two rounds. So what's happening is it's GM is Bam just such a legit Defender and he's working him so hard, you know deep I mean working Tice to play working Ty Swenson. Is on defense so hard because he's able to get you know inside and he's able to go up over him. Like is that do you think that's what the issue is. It's a good question. I mean, I think physically I mean physically bam is a load. You know, I think that Tyce is not it's not done well with that fact that they've you know in situations they've had a lot of you know going through baggage and pick-and-roll who's done quite well, you know, I think that I think time drawing a lot of fouls and he's really been in foul trouble as in two or three games. Yeah, you know, so I think that that's part of the issue but that's not the war on tice that we've seen in other matchups. I he's legitimately in foul trouble due to his own accord. I think it might be one ticky-tack but right for the most part wage. He's just getting out Matt. So here's my thing on Grant Williams. Maybe he doesn't go into the starting lineup because that just disrupts too much of what they're doing. But especially with Gordon Hayward coming back into the office, but I can see they're not going to roll them out there after two files and if he gets a quick one, you know that happened in the last series and Robert Williams came in I suggest Williams and here's why he's a smart rookie number one. So getting him caught in making mistakes when the Celtics are on defense it's going to happen, but it's nice to happen a lot. Right? And I think that's part of the reason Williams isn't playing he gets caught and there but moving the ball, so well, it'll really test Williams but the real reason I think Grant she comes in is he's got the strength to really push back on bam not a hundred percent. But if he can just use that, you know, I mean, they've said he's one of the strongest guys in the NBA game. Acceptably strong. I think he can keep bam far enough away from the basket that at least all those easy points that bams getting against ice Dome as often and maybe it makes him work a little bit harder for him when he does get them and they kind of have to where that guy down, you know as much as you talk about Jimmy Butler taking over the game and game for home if they don't keep trying to find ways to neutralize bam. I mean, his numbers are outstanding and he sparked a lot of their comebacks with just a little inside play them they go back outside and it's because of Celtic struggle the answer. Yeah, they do. You're right. They are having trouble. I think Grant I think you're right. I think Grant is is a bit of a solution least. He's certainly want to gain three challenge. I see was granted similarly with theis is that you know, the file trouble is just playing with him. He's just somebody who hasn't quite figured out how to play defense without getting without putting the other team on the line and I and in part of that's probably rookie him being a rookie but but he's in the right-center by committee Palm Tysons still going to get plenty of minutes. You have to use your files of ties. You're going to use your fouls with Grant great and you're going to have to roll Ennis to you know, anytime Olynyk is out there as long as you can and and if Miami beats you with Olynyk on Kanner, so be it right? They're not going to win the game on that. That's that's going to be there there. I mean Kelly was so bad and game for free phone. Probably there are counter is just you know, getting Kelly some easy looks you know and pick-and-roll get, you know game out there and pulling pulling can or from the lane. I would think that would be one thing I would try to what I would try to just try to get Kelly going so you can't play canner, you know, cuz he will he'll alone the boards and if you're not going to make if you're not going to punish him, but defensively cuz a lot of times they're putting them there when Gord rogich is an end. So you're not, you know, you don't have it nearly the same issues and pick-and-roll defense as you would would draw ghadge is with anybody else. So yeah, I think it'll be interesting to see the wrinkle cuz I think they intend on continuing to do that because they have to you know, they may be they throw a Robert Williams. Look if if the if the counterpunch with canner and Olynyk is what you say more pick-and-roll and trying to expose can orange. Or can't handle it. Then. Maybe the counter punches just throw something completely opposite and Robert Williams at Kelly Olynyk and then you know, you got a guy that can close out on him and stay with him even if he gets burned because Olynyk may be smart, but he's not fast. Yeah, I think I think you're right cuz you know, Melissa other podcasts like oh maybe probably it's just like there is no way that Robin Williams is out of the of the rotation. And anyway, I mean, I I think that Brad is going to try to views things as much as she can to try to get made different looks so it's harder for spo2 try to drop whatever it's going to be because look Spoelstra is is you know, Nick harisson last round you got Spoelstra misread. I mean, you got two of the three or three of the best coaches in the league Bar None right there between the Stevens throwing Stevens in the mix. You gotta give birth. To spell stressed over an hour. I mean the guy's not tenure he's earned it. He's dealt with big egos. He's dealt with teen ball like the dudes flexible as hell really totally flexible as a coach totally totally and so it'd be foolish for Stevens for like dope. This is who we're going to have and this is our rotation, you know, people love that like idea of like, you know, Brad's going to keep it to seven people and eight people and like dude. No, that's not you need to be flexible and need to be able to throw a lot of people attitude like that because you know, that's just the fewer options ability has the game plan against the easier it is to stop you know, and yes the Celtics have more tabs on but you would send this in the beginning. You know, I think the songs have are the more talented team. I think we're yet to see which is the better team. You know, I think the games wanted to I think Miami was the better wage. Team, they played together better. There are a string, you know, they were really fighting for each other game three. I think that was different Boston was the aggressor and really were more connected still not totally there but I how they adjust on Jaylen Brown is going to have a lot to do with it and and and how Gordon Hayward continues to walk, you know play off of that right like does Miami adjust to Jalen and then if so, we've seen Gordon in jail and play. Well together. Can Gordon be the one that keeps it fresh so that whatever adjustment they have. There's a counterpunch. That's a key matchup. I think the canner Rob Williams tandem against Kelly Olynyk just so that they have the Williams and tice ability, but I don't think they're going to do much with bam, you know, and and and if they're if they can do anything else To bring you know to to limit bands impact. I think it'll go a long way. I think it'll go a really long way cuz I just so good on the perimeter. Look at me shooters. They have hero Robinson. I mean Butler is not known for being a good shooter. But if they need a clutch one, you know where they're going, you know, and they did it and yeah, go ahead. I was just saying that but that's like that to me is the problem is we have Miami can say you do we go with bam, right? We we try we won't be able to be our guy. But that means then that to do that that means you can have Shooters on the floor, right? Because otherwise you're going to help walk the shooters and you know jail in a special edition is a guy with size and and who can really warm smart handheld they play right? But you just Floyd my point and I'll get loose. Yep right with my point. Is that okay? But if Jalen is Bully balling Harrow and Goran dragic and Duncan Robinson or same with team for that matter, then you're going to say well jeez. We got to get a holder on hold on. So, maybe we got to play with all we're going to put Jae Crowder out there more we gotta you know play, you know, Derrick Jones jr. But if you're doing that now you're hurting your offense and now you're not going to have wage opportunities for bam to score the ball. So it becomes this thing where like jail and to really be the linchpin here of what exactly can Spoelstra do that pulls. Jail, and you know limits his Effectiveness, but that also in return Hertz Hertz Miami's offense to such a degree to where now the soldiers could help off to create a degree. So it's you know, this is the these are the things that that I spoke against the big box and somehow he has to figure that out because wage you know, while those guys can let it up here. Oh and and Duncan Robinson if Jalen has a chance to be Jaylen Brown, he's going to be a star by the end of these these six or seven games. Yeah, we yeah, no doubt. All right, not that he is it already but you get my point. No, I totally get your point and all right. So what else should we cover before we close out other than the fact that Erik Spoelstra does kind of look a little bit like Gollum. A precious I'm not going to be the first person who said that I never really saw that actually that's how long will you will especially as he loses more hair. Wow. It's the it's a deep-set buggy eyes. It's the blank page. So let's stare dude, and I'm not really trying to crap on Spoelstra. I really actually I don't have an ounce of hate for him really don't even when we had to play him wage and it was a mother, you know, I still didn't dislike him. You know, I just like a lot of the players on the eat, but I did not dislike him. It's been eight years and some of the state has not gone away. I do have one other thing the tweet. I can't remember who shot it out there, but it definitely raised my cackles if the Lakers jersey. Go to the finals Rajon. Rondo will be the first player to go to the finals in the starting lineup with both the Lakers and the Celtics and and he definitely was it the starting lineup or was it the no, I think it was win a championship. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah can't happen absolutely cannot be allowed. I mean, I realize nothing would be better for the bubble than like your Celtics ten years later, but it can't happen. I mean, I don't mind if the Lakers get there and we beat their ass but I got a serious issue with Rhonda when Anna title with both teams, especially yeah, it's Gotta It's gotta be a no-go it it cannot be allowed. I mean, you know how I feel about Rondo. So, you know, I'm I'm you're fine you're rooting for him again in the finals year old Rondo off. So this Lakers go down in history. Sorry you asked for that you asked for that. I I don't know if I asked for that but I asked for something probably name is Rhonda your precious. I love you. My precious dude. I said he age though real quick and it's not the dreads. It's the wrinkles his face. Like it almost happened in the last nine months, right like he went from being this perennial little kid looking dude to like old man old age. Really? What was that? Benjamin Button? He's like he did a Benjamin Button like, you know, this is your 14 for him. I mean, this is you know, he was a kid. This is this is this is a long career at age fourteen. This is that's no joke, you know agree, I don't even know where I was going with that. Anyway, there's really nowhere to go off. Have really loose you only need to go into turn three. You probably should have towed down. We're going to see what happens. You might go into the we'll see what happens. We went towards the wall. It could happen. You know, I think you know, look I think that the that Rondo I mean I obviously have a one eye on that on that that series, you know, because obviously we have a stating lost dog was that got spoiled for you? That was tough. Yeah. I was so yo cuz you what you need the Celtics need I mean, it's such a huge sense of playing small money, like stuffed them to you know what I mean, but the ball stays I think sat around and kick it out to a d I think maybe no matter who wins the East I'm rooting for whoever wins the Eastover whoever whoever's left. I think I'm at Denver's not hard to root for I might for Denver over Miami, you know, you don't have has a really really sore spot in my mind of Denver is that game? Not the season but last season where the Celtics went to Denver and Jamal Murray went absolutely off and he had all kinds of Swag and we just yelling at everybody and everything and that was a game where Kyrie threw the ball into the rafters for whatever got fined for it. But I was so annoyed with Jamal Murray that I I couldn't take it. So I love Jamal Murray God as much as you love Rondo, but that was my other guy. I was like, he was Plan B on Jaylen Brown in my mind. I was like if she can't get Jalen you gotta go Jamal Murray, but at the time I was like you just don't need another guard was my mentality and I definitely wanted, you know a wing in an athletic wing and one that could attack the birth. Basket, you know and so those bye-bye to work out for us. We've Jamal Murray would have worked out. We probably would have been in a circle with either one of those. Yeah, you know, but I don't think you know, but you know, it's still these guys and you know, it's all you know, why don't we get this guy? You know, if we only offer after this guy he would have been this and you know, the whole thing like we would here with Tyler hero and then take 20 or about it with stupid Bill Simmons and title page. Yeah, right, I believe yeah. Well look, I mean Grant Williams got the biggest stop or the whole day of season. Okay, and there's Grant Williams. It wasn't it wasn't anybody else. So, you know, let's just slow down on this. I mean, I'm just so tired of this like, you know, how about now? How about now Tyler hero had a great first half 16 points. He was like six of birth. Fueling or something and he was on fire, you know, but we got people on the Twitter thing going like ready to put him in Springfield like slow your roll. He's good. He's going to be good probably be an All-Star game player and last couple of years. I mean, he's you know, he's got all that but like let's just like this is the problem. We anoint everyone's way too early Michael Porter Jr. Can't defend to save the guy's life, you know, he can shoot he can score but he can't defend same with trade young like we like we anoint these guys before they're actually good players, you know, if you get a bucket, that's great. That is a win. So what we about game buckets are about winning to me basketballs about trying to get a w that's what it's all about, you know, and and I think we just we lose sight of that. We just bought a Passat who's getting buckets, you know, I it's all great that the Tyler hero and Duncan Robinson can fill fill it up, but they're not going anywhere without being matter by Jimmy Butler birth. Drops, you know what? I mean? Like I'm kind of sick. Like I've been seeing this through the bulb. Wow, you know and and drummer has been great, but she's a minus if he's plus mileage on the wrong side of it. What good is it? You know, so I just maybe I'm old I think maybe I'm just old I think I mean it's it's one of those scenarios where you can't really should have those conversations until you really have a body of work and especially in different situations, like pull somebody out of their current scenario move them into another one. And what do you have that right? That's the that's the real question. But that works both ways, you know, if it were if it were fans in Denver saying, oh man, I wish I wish jail and had fallen to us and they'd taken Jamal Murray because they see something else, you know, it's that early narrative. But Jamal gets to be the man and brown is dead. Is playing often second third fourth fifth fiddle and yet he's got plenty of talent. He's still young and The Rains of that team are going to go to him and and take him off at some point and and probably smart to I gotta tell you I'm watching more video of enes Kanter and this is another clip and his scanner and Marcus Smart add the pool long as like Deus is trying to get out of the pool and it starts to get rough. And there's like major Tatum personality coming out like you can tell he just loves being a dad. Like he legit loves being a dad. Like it's one thing to show like took pictures of people's kids, you know, and they're with their kid, but like when he was when when Deuce was coming off the bus and he was trying to get his hug and Deuce was kind of into his toy like that was hilarious, but you can just tell like how much Jason was dying for that hug, you know, and so I'm watching this pool video with out in the back of my mind. And they start messing around and Tatum totally like realizes someone's getting mixed up here. He's looking at them not Deuce, but he gets off hand on the back of Deuces life jacket like yeah, we're we're going to get you away from the 7-footer Turkish dude from falling in the pool. Like we know he's got a Long Reach in that region. Like he's all over it. Dude. Have you seen this? Yes. Yeah. It's yeah. Yeah, it's you know, like you said I lost like it's also I love life. I think it's also great, you know the Celtics, you know, this is what you know, I talked about this like how these guys get along right, you know, Chris Mannix wrote a nice little poem about how the two with the vibe is between jail and and Jason and you know that stuff matters to me. I just, you know, are they fitting it? They work Jason's at the pool with Deuce, you know wage? And Marcus is there and Ms. Is there and you know, like they're doing you know know all the notorious stories about the NBA life, you know, and what it does our marriage and I you know, the Kobe story and everything else, you know, and and and maybe even the Kobe story is something that Kobe talked to Tatum about who knows, you know, that stuff one hundred percent a private depends on how tight they were and everything else you wonder how many people Koby might have talked to around the league about look you're young but, you know take it from me, you know life and so when I see that, you know, it's just kind of refreshing that there's a counter-narrative like I'm not saying these guys are perfect and I get it they're young and I know what young men are like, may I get it? I'm not I'm not trying I was one once right? Oh, I'm not a girl was dead. But but the point is is like when when you see him and the whole you know, and it's like it's just the guys right nobody else. You don't really see anybody else's kids birth family members in the screenshot Jason's just hanging with Deuce man, and it's just kind of I know it's getting a little overplayed. I mean, I do see that off and so that's kind of the hesitate even bringing it up because it's so over Juiced but one well-known Celtics blogger slash Tweeter was like said something to the effect of all I want to do is hang out with Jayson Tatum and his son like that's weird like what's that about? But anyway there in the bus side. There'll only they're lonely too. I don't know. No I'm with you I've had I've had two year old around almost three year old and I want to be around wage. Well kid anyway now he's making a great point. But but anyway, the point is like he wants to spend time with this boy, you know what I mean? And just seeing just seeing like wage active nature coming out like don't want you know, there are plenty of young dads who couldn't give a crap where their kids at, you know, let alone read this situation like kind of want my boy to be safe here. So it's just cool to say and I don't want to hop on a bandwagon that's been beat to death, but I'm going to take a moment to say cuz it really I love the video is all about Cantor and smart and I'm just taking something completely different from the background. Yeah, right it is. Yeah, that's a good point. But hey want a hot take about Jayson Tatum. That's completely ridiculous. Sure, why not will close on this close on this? Wouldn't say what if Jayson Tatum is the fully realized his version of what Kobe Bryant could have been as a team as a team player without as much Focus about that kind of mob mentality stuff. Yeah. I don't think that's a hobby cuz I think there's a little shot. I don't know. I don't know like I feel like there's a lot of people who think like koby's the perfect player. You know, Kobe did everything absolutely the right way and obviously a cell experience. We have a bit of a different take on that off my ceiling going into Kobe. There's different ego going on between those two and right Jason still dominate a game without it and wage that's rare. Right? Like look at LeBron dude. Look at the way that that bitch ass handled not winning the MVP seriously seriously boots Used boiled freaking yet. Are you kidding? I just don't know what game everybody's watching. What game are you watching like them watching the game where if the player comes off the team? What's the team look like and yes, you're great. But Anthony Davis is still going to have that team on the bubble of the playoffs. You take Yiannis off Milwaukee, and I'm sorry but their shit, they're not making the postseason. They don't have a shot. And I don't I don't I'm already life. I don't really want to give you honest any love here either, you know, but but it's the truth you pull him off that Bucks team there nothing nothing and that's not the case with LeBron in L A. I think there's a lot of those votes were way too waited about things that happened in November as opposed to what happened off. Bubble, and I also do you want to go everything by what you saw lately but there's no one who can look at, you know, even since January and think the Jayson Tatum is a third two thirds be a guy. Oh, yeah the second team that's something that's just an insane County Jail in Crown books after the series after the series against Toronto is clear that Jaylen Brown Dodge deserve to be on the third team and see ah, probably didn't even belong. I'm just saying there's an argument there. That's you know, yeah and this Bradley Beal and all that but like to me like the whole Adam thing like Tatum the way he's passing the ball the way he defends the way he I mean truthfully I think I mean his shot-making as they're at the question of when he's shooting ways not change that to me is probably the biggest question. I have I have bought him right now, you know when to take over when not to take over. I think that's the thing where I'm not worried about him making Play-Doh You know often you know, I don't have any the issue his playmaking has been outstanding and it will get better. But I think it's you know, when when to take over when to be the month, when not to be the band, you know, start taking more threes Jason, you know, I think those are the issues shot profile is probably more of the issue right now, but he's dead effortlessly effortlessly getting 2512 and five a night without standing here wondering where is a on offense need a bucket still it's weird. Well, yeah, I got so much against Toronto definitely not against Philly but like even in this series like he's hit some but to your point about the unselfishness. We definitely saw a player taking a good bulk of the shots and kicking the crap out of the opponent earlier going and it's almost like I'll look at the box score and it'll a game. It surprised me when I see how well he did because I just don't feel like he was like dominating the game and the ball and as soon as he started doing it and it was actually an issue because they were forcing shots for him. They completely adjusted. It was like he didn't even care was like, okay fine. I'll do different. Yeah, you know and I don't I don't I don't you know, it's I think it's you can't give it as criticism to me because if you have that level of production you're doing what you need to do particularly in an offense where it's not built around one person, you know, it's not built around Jason gets his and everyone else gets there. This isn't the Houston Rockets, you know, this is off the tabs of you know, LeBron's ERA. This is not you know, it's not this is not like a hierarchical system. This is very Democratic, you know, it's whoever's open doors at the best shot to take it and some lights Jason's the guy in some nights. It's not but that is there's a there's a philosophy contrast because there's times in the NBA you need that guy to take over to be the guy off that everything else falls into place, you know, and I think that's probably the challenge that he's facing and I think Brad Stevens his face saying because I think so much of what works wage. Steven has ever since Brad got here is it will the numbers will you know, the buckets will find themselves will Isaiah was a different category than that, right? He thought he was he wouldn't stop him going to the RAM and that the difference in that scenario or that comparison was the fact that that guy was going to get onto the line off and they're the one thing the NBA officials gave us with Isaiah Thomas almost every time was the fact that dude's 5-7 no matter what he was listed at might have been it might have been five five years and he attacks the rim that ball doesn't go in with some crazy-ass circus trick shot. He probably got fouled and he's going down the line and and that's the difference. Like I'm not saying that Jason doesn't go to the rim, but Jaylynn goes to the rim more than Jason does and Jason will get in there, but he kind of weaves in and Euro steps wage. And he and his part like if they want to criticize Tatum on anything. It's the hands up in the air looking for the foul and he in a lot of times. He probably did get fouled but his moved the rim doesn't it's so smooth and euro-step E. It just doesn't have the officials looking for the foul the way it did would like in Isaiah Thomas and he's so sweet shooting from Beyond The Arc, but that's typically where he's going to do it his damaged, you know, even though he's gotten way more prolific at The Rim doing much better. Like this isn't me rehashing an old criticism that he clearly adjusted and corrected this season, it's not but the point is there a way that he goes to the rim, they just not looking or expecting there to be contacting a way that maybe they see with other players in the league and and the fact that you brought up Isaiah was such a great contrast for that. Yeah. Well he and I think it's I think it's a strength birth. And Isaiah was much more straight line cuz it didn't have them limbs that could go from one cycling the other ones that I might eat and does you know, so it was it's easier to cause I guess right you don't have to worry about these rims that seemed to stretch on forever and with Ian well and Isaiah gotten so strong that you look for it now with you know with Tatum. He's still he's much better off is much stronger. It's not just he got bumped he lost control but even though he has leaping ability. Yeah, even though he has leaping ability. He's so long he could do what Isaiah did which is something that Isaiah learned very early in his career which was to to like you said straight line soon as he knew he could beat his man as soon as it was in has just juice were slightly out of position. He just heads to the rim just straight on go and then he knows he's going to meet somebody there just cuz he beat his ban doesn't mean he's bit be dead. Free man cuz there's somebody going to be waiting and he would jump and he learned how to protect the ball take the contact in many cases bounce off several inches from whoever that player is and then maybe he gets a foul maybe not but he's not even looking for the foul. He's looking to make the shot because after he bounces off that body he actually get free again and that's when he would go and finish the shot and a lot of times it would drop that's why I was so good at getting and once cuz he'd already figured out that officials weren't going to save him right off like he would get calls but they weren't going to save him cuz just going to the free throw line isn't going to get it done. His body's going to get trashed. He had to learn kind of a safe way to like Perl like Sonic Sonic the Hedgehog balance off of a player and then come out of the spin and release a shot off the backboard and make it and like Jason literally doesn't have a job. Luxury, he's just not built the same way can't do that. And if if you were to do anything like that, it just be an offensive foul because of the way home builders and he wouldn't finish with contact the same way. So, you know with all of that in mind, you know, it's great to see Tatum adjust a little bit. Maybe he does need to be able to take over in different ways. Maybe it's a strength thing, but he's so young. He's going to put muscle on that frame and he's already added what since he came into the league twenty pounds, maybe easy easy easy. I would say Tuesday. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah and in the end, I think another offseason he's going to be he's going to be beastly and he's really he's really strong right now, but I think another offseason of work and now that I'm saying it's not going to be probably until James you worried that they're back at it. So they're going to have a good three months of birth. You didn't work too. Well, they they got to do they going to Bubble a regular season in January. What's the word? They're supposedly they want to try to play in in Market, but I don't see how they can do that with all that travel NBA teams have you know to me I think they could handle the travel but it's going to have to be private Charter, you know one hundred percent and we're not going to have to believe in a lot of protections, you know around the hotels and like they're going to have to book out an entire hotel. But here's the thing the hotels are empty in a way like in Philadelphia. The hotels are being used as dorm rooms for the kids that are going back to school because they want single occupancy in the dorm. So the hotels near me anyway and demand is not an issue while at least not a good problem that they have and so I could see, you know big teams of Club. Incruse sweeping into the hotel's cleaning them out the team gets an entire Hotel lots of spacing limited number of Staff delivery for food. Nobody goes out to eat need some basic team rules and the travels gotta be on private Charters, you know, but if they they can they can take best practices from the bubble and protect these when I say Protect these guys, they're really protecting their families, you know, I don't really see athletes in this kind of shape as being like a real risk in the pandemic. Not that I not that they couldn't get sick now, they couldn't get significantly sick, but I don't think you really talking about death for NBA players at all, but For them to do an entire season without seeing their family to keep their families safe. That's the issue. Yeah. Well, I mean there was like study about myocarditis. They're worried about inflammation there. I I don't know if that's you know, but you're right. I mean that's a that's a concern and and I yeah, I would love to be able to play at least in mom. So they can these guys can have time with their families, you know, and and go back to living the way that they are used to living somewhat and then I you know, and then eventually as things relax, hopefully a little bit more and we can really contract trick contact race and actually have some you know off the long-term effects that are unknown. You know, that that's something he doesn't want hanging over their head or any league for that matter. Right, right, exactly and speaking long-term effects. I think we should end on this apparently apparently the game for referees in dog food Scott Foster. That's right and and 20 brothers. So expect Shenanigans expect Shenanigans the game for so so here's the question do they put the Celtics down three one and then the Celtics do a Denver and then somehow I'm in Denver's playing as a record this so they can be down 300 by the time we're done with this but maybe Denver and the Celtics go down 3-1 and then Denver does the trifecta come back somehow and the Celtics would do the same thing on their end and I can get one extra day of rest over Denver and then meet them in the finals. That'll be weird. It's going to be something because I think I I think so. I think that I think this is a typical typical NBA scheduling deal where early, early in the series they'll have these guys work and they'll bring them back later in the series to go the other way. So I'm rather hoping that page is about getting the the serious tied up. This might be the first time Foster Brothers do something for us. Right? Exactly. Yeah, it's really spend. So so, you know, this is not something washed out maybe the app is wrong and they won't work the game but it seems like they've been off long enough. So it you know a little sometimes they're twenty Brothers in game six against Toronto. So but I guess it being game for I guess just time for Tony to come back and wreak havoc against the Boston Celtics again, so someone to look forward to, New Jersey. You get ready for Wednesday night's all right. So when do we come back? Wednesday's game for Friday is going to be game five if they stay on the alternating the game 6 is Sunday night. And then yeah, okay. Okay. Yep game six or Sunday. So so in all likelihood will come back and and celebrate a crazy for strep or we'll be previewing or we'll be previewing game 7, which is the most likely scenario Unless somehow the Celtics are eliminated before that, right, but I don't think that's what I think will will be back probably on Monday Monday night or Sunday after the game to to take a look at what's next. So John, I'm going to wrap it. Maybe it well and I just want to see if it goes 7 that is also the night of the first presidential debate so you for those who just failed move it it won't be Tuesday night, then they'll move it. That'll be Wednesday. So yeah, no way. No way. No way. No way in hell does the NBA in this political climate with their own social stance? Do they have people watching this game seven instead of the debates? No chance in hell that things get moved. Fair enough J down down on it. All right, that's good. Do it for this week's show as a reminder. 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Tennessee Star Grant Williams, More March Madness, Get Well Nurki

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Tennessee Star Grant Williams, More March Madness, Get Well Nurki

"Watching up close or watching from afar, you never want to see in your teammates, go through something like that. But the best part about this entire situation is that it's a bump in bones. Always he'll obviously the locker room was a little sad. You know, we lost a big part of our offense and defense from playing standpoint. But Merck is still part of the team will be around. I'm excited to see a lot of those college guys will fare in the NBA look Zay look at Cam, you'll get RJ. You look at grant Williams. You look at a lot of different players who have shown they have the ability and capability of contributing right away. Yeah. I mean, I think he's serious about retiring. But you also have to remember he's coming off of Super Bowl in which he was a big big factor in that. If Tom Brady calls him and says he needs him at some point during the season. Don't be surprised if gronk decides to come back. Welcome to the Metta world peace episode pull up. That's right episode number fifty one currently in Portland, Oregon and joined some time at home working now rehabbing twice a day spending. A lot of time with Logan try and develop the muscles around the knee trying to continue to strengthen my lower half while getting conditioning game shape as close game shape as possible during this this current road trip. Our teams on facing the Chicago Bulls right now, we have the Atlanta Hawks. Troy pistons, Minnesota timber wolves. And then there will be returning. So I'll just trying to get myself ready to play as soon as possible. Try and make sure that everything heals properly and continue to take the right and proper steps to to get myself back to a hundred percent, obviously the incidentally, tournament's going on right now. Big fella network went down with the season ending injury. So shout out to my guy Nurik, man. We miss you big fellow. We're gonna continue to you know, rally around you and support you need help you get through this trying time we will be back together as a squad in the near future. Chris boss gets his jersey retired gronk retires in a fail. Does something cliff. Kingsbury does something without further. Ado, welcome Jordan show, the pull up pot as always Jordan first things first we had taco follow on. And then he goes and performs. He showed out he played well enough for his team to. Win the game. Couple place down the stretch that proved to be costly a tip that I thought should win in. Evan turner. Blamed it on the Wilson balls. How's your bracket holding up? You know, what you're actually doing pretty well this column for one I really trusted by God with conducted though. I'm I'm going to everything revolves around that my preseason big. But, you know, do is unhappy you brought that up because I think people are finally seeing that as talented as Duke is, and they are incredibly talented. You know, this team has not played at best basketball down the stretch Zion was hurt and they're just not a great opposite team. I mean, they can score in bunches because they have great one on one player than athlete, but they don't shoot the three well at all can been the bottom of the ANC all league are all year, including threes. And I think when you see them defensively. You know, they made some mistakes against UCF. No UCF. Give them a log credit. Taco was really good. I thought he played great Taylor was terrific and redocking appro. I mean, I give them a ton of credit. But but I just thought do from a protein that we were expecting to be this juggernaut that we certainly seen from them. I just didn't think they play. Well, and they really haven't played all that. While the last month. I don't think they played particularly well either I think they're stars showed up obviously Zaia at a big bucket down the stretch misses the free throw allows Jay Barrett. The other since ational freshman to come up with the rebound in put them up by one. But if you look at the way UCF controlled the game at the way, the guarded the Duke offense allowing some of those guards just have wide open shots more. Specifically that clip that went viral on the player from UCF waving his hand. At the Dugard's insisting on them shooting it as they turned down. Jumper after jumper from the top of the key. I think that the blueprint is kind of out on how to guard the other players outside of RJ bear camera Shinsei on obviously, the players are talented, but they lack some of the essential skill sets needed to to be dominated on the perimeter shooting threes and being able to jump shots as is crucial especially in incidently tournament when it's more about a half court offense and being able to score in in crunch pressure situations. So you're out you about that is because I agree with you. I think you saw blueprint from a team, and yeah that clearly an oddity Johnny Dawkins being able so long really knew how to guard them. But that idea of loading up on Diane loading up on Barrett. And you'll even read it the only thirty three percent on the year from three Barrett. Thirty one Williamson thirty three and trade. Twenty three. So the idea that you can load up on Barrett and Williamson and force radish and Jones beat you. Those guys are really talented. But I think that's the best chance you have to try and beat Duke. Now, you're never gonna shut down Barrett a Williamson, but if you can make it uncomfortable for him and Quogue off that paint. I just think that they're not I don't wanna say vulnerable, but they're certainly not at their best. And then if you pay his rendition Duke, suddenly becomes half fourteen and again, they're just not super efficient. So I it's fascinating to me that we're in this position. I think it would have been catastrophic deal for the tournament. If we would have lost. I because I don't think there's another guy look at it. Like, you know, you know, you must see TV, then maybe our guest today grant Williams I mean, and and so feel the bone like those three guys basically tournament. I don't really know. If there is that. So I'm excited that do still playing in that sense. But because he the pressure has is gonna. Continue to to increase for them as we get closer and closer to the final four knee. It's only going to get harder for them to come away with victories especially once team's begin zone. Them up. If a team gets hot on one particular night or one of the big three I'm calling the big three now, and they're in college. But if one of the big three get some foul trouble or has off shooting night. All those things could determine the fate of that do program as they get closer to date in the final four it's gonna come down to execution. It's gonna come down to whether or not the other team has impact player you look at dock ins from UCF. He was an impact player guy capable of taking a game over and he did just that. And the most interesting part of all of this was the fact that. They were in that game for its entirety. They had two chances to win on the last possession. But ultimately missed miss. What would have been the game winner? Let me ask you from a standpoint of like watching great Dr play the tournament usually lend itself to great guards. We've seen the Kimball walkers Napier's and guys like J McCollum have incredible runs in the tournament fish shifting gears a little bit. I don't know how much you polish John Moran. But at least on the highlights and some some of the Murray state games. What what did you see from him that you think this guy can be a a real superstar or a real difference maker right away? As a pro. I liked him right away. I've been watching him throughout most of the season. You know, seeing his ability to to make his teammates better seeing the explosiveness his pace his vision. And how everyone kind of response to him around him seems like a very likable guy. And I think he had a great. Showing the tournament. He showed his ability to pass he showed his ability to lead a team. He controlled the pace of the game. He scored in a multitude of ways e finished around the basket. He drew fouls hit threes in that final game against Florida state in. Although the team was overmatched. They had a lot of land in they made it difficult for him. He dominated at first half end, basically scored twenty eight of his team, sixty points, whatever they ended up within kind show in what he could do in open floor would he could do it in a pick and roll and how he can really really adjust his game to the NBA in flourish. I I love to get. I think it upside is the roof. I think war is really high because ability to get downhill you, correct me if I'm wrong, but his ability to get downhill pick and roll run a team. He's a great passer, either Willie bachelor, he has a really special feel forgot it has not played on a basketball should more. Any plays with chip on his shoulder. You plays like a guy that I like you that wasn't recruited by all the big schools. And and just has that extra that you need to be a great pro is is all that fair. Yeah. That's definitely fair. I think the fact that he played in South Carolina small city was teammates with Diana wasn't recruited by the big schools. Kinda shows you his mindset in the chip he has on his shoulder. He plays angry. He plays with a passion, a sense of aggression. And I'm excited to see, you know, how he fares in the NBA excited to see, you know, how a lot of those college guys will fare in the NBA look Zay. You look at Cam look at RJ, you look at grant Williams, you look at a lot of different players who have shown they have the ability and capability of, you know, contributing right away at the next level. Anybody else you have you seen any player? But typically that you said, wow. I I didn't know he had that or. That guy's really special. Have you seen that yet? Hey, there's a kid the the point guard caches was from Michigan state. I like him a lot of haven't seen him on a lot of draft boards. But I like his pace I like his leadership qualities capabilities he makes his teammates better. And he's just a dog. And I think that, you know, having watched a little bit of Virginia. They have a couple of players who can really impact the game at the offense of independent with left shooting ability. And there's a kid from Kentucky who's hurt right now, not playing I think he's very skilled, and it has some versatility. Washing. Really good you talking about this John hunter and Kyle guy and five all those guys. I mean any hundreds of lottery Jerome is a first round pick and caches Winston. I mean, we we heard Tom Izzo when you came on a couple of weeks ago talk about, you know, maybe he's not the most explosive or the highest jumper. But he like you said is great pace feel he's tough. And there's a reason why he was a first team all big ten. He's really special changing gears a little bit see for you guys. What what has been the tenor of the locker room since the the nerve injury. And what have you said to him because I know you went to see him at the hospital just kind of take us through that. Yeah. I mean, this is a very unique situation. One that you hope you never have to experience be a part of, you know, whether it is watching close or watching from afar, you never want to see in the year teammates, more specifically guys that you consider a brother go through something like that in being able to see something like that close. You know, you just feel for him you feel for his family. He worked so hard. He loves the game. You always, you know, say things like, you know, he didn't deserve that. You know what? I mean. He's a guy who does things the right way he works when his craft every day he's gotten better he's having a career year. He's you know, the man in the middle in our team who does allow for us in offensively and defensively. Initiating initiating the offense making passes finishing around the basket protecting the rim forest guard and pick and rolls. We're just a better team with him out there in his obvious based on the success. We've had with him in lineup in you know, what he means to us. So just, you know, see him have to go through that man. I just felt for him. I just wanted to go. Visit him. You know, spend some time with them abroad them so flowers in a candle because I wasn't sure if he's the plant guy reflect our guy, but the candle is really doping, smells good. So I told him, you know, get you a nice bath a wife enjoys some some alone time once you get home in our able to recover and just clear your mind understanding that it's going to be a journey is going to be difficult at times to get through the rehab phase of it. And as you transition back to the court just remember that, you know, you're not doing this alone. You know, we'll be we'll be with you every step of the way. And that is just a all of I'll take it one day at a time. I think he was in good spirits considering the circumstances. You know, he said that he had been through something similar to this before he'll get through it again. And the best part about this entire situation is that it's a bone in bones. Always he'll so I'm confident he'll be back better than he was when he left you look at Paul George. You know, he's having a career. He's the best. He's ever been you look at Gordon Hayward who is transitioning back. He's having flashes of brilliance in continuing to settle in. Over there in Boston. You look at curious, lavar, you know, he's back to playing at a high level in the list goes on and on players who have gone through, you know, those types of injuries in in being able to have success. So obviously the locker room was a little sad. You know, we had clinched a playoffs and lost a big big part of our offense in our defense from from play standpoint. But nook is still a part of the team will be around. I'll continue to check on him make sure he's doing okay and watch him as he progresses through rehab phase. But the universe anything like that NBA. So was it was tough to watch. Twenty four years old. He's really become one of the best young centers in the league can pass shoot tech. Because everything when when you got hurt both both now, but also going back to your senior year. How important was it to lean on people around you and to trust that, you know, you would you would eventually get back out there to trust the process if you will. Yeah. I mean, it's it's very important to have a supporting cast around you family and people that care about you can kinda lift your oven encourage you because you know, being hurt can take you to a dark space in a dark place. You're lonely at times you're injured you're not able to do a lot of things you have to rely on people to do day activities that you're accustomed to doing by yourself. So you'll having a lead on people, you know, not being able to perform, you know, being around the team as much as your custom to it can be frustrating. You can you can begin to to gain as -iety you can begin to to go through phases of depression. Abouts of uncertainty in just trying to figure out, you know, the next steps and how you can overcome it, and there's some really really challenging days, and I had some dark times. I mean, I had some tough times in college missing the rest of my senior year, and just, you know, being worried about my future, you know, being worried about, you know, whether or not going to be able to pursue my dream and ever walked the same ever played the same depending on this. Verity of the injury, I had to learn how to like do a lot of certain things that I was accustomed to doing that were easy to learn how to walk again. Learn how to move your toes again, my pinkie toe wasn't able to move it for quite some time. And I was worried that I wouldn't have feeling him up pinkie toe because of you know, where the screw was inserted into my fifth metatarsal. So there's a lot of stuff that you go through. I remember a lot of days where my therapy consisted of trying to pick up marbles with my feet and drop them in a Cup. And at the beginning, I couldn't do it. So you got to imagine being able to play the game at the highest level of not being able to pick up a marble with your foot and drop it in. Yup. Can be extremely frustrating challenging so there's just a lot of stuff you go through. And it's always better. If you don't have to do it on your own. So just being able to be there for support someone to lean on somebody to talk to someone who just know bring positive vibes in good juju. You know? I think that's something that we all need on a day-to-day basis. Whether we're hurt or not and alerts family, you know, I love that man to death. You know, he's a really good, dude. He's impacted not only our team, but our lives, you know, in in a good way. And I just wanted him to understand how how preciado it in love. He is not just for Martine, but me personally. When you get hurt. It's almost like it's really easy to get disconnected from from from people from from your teammates from that day to day. I mean, it's not the same level. But when I had a terrible ankle injury might sophomore year in college. And and I was super depressed, and I gain weight, I didn't wanna do anything. I just I can imagine like, especially at this level when there's so much on the line like that, you know, making sure that you don't fall into that pattern of depression or just like, you know, solace by yourself is enormously important as you start to turn a corner because you're you're going to have it's gonna be a long process, and and it's hard to see the finish line. If you if you just continually find ways to pow and feel sorry for yourself. It's gonna make things worse and worse. Yeah. Absolutely. I think one of the important things that I always tell people is that is. Portent goes face. You know, go through feeling sorry for yourself. Go through, you know, those days of asking why me why does have to happen? You know, what have I done wrong because this natural those are natural reactions to to certain tragedies and dramas that we go through. But then, you know, take take a couple of days, whatever it is to go through that. And didn't understand that. It's time to lock in, you know, figure out what you gotta do every day to be successful, which you gotta do everyday to to gain a little bit more whether be in the walk in a little bit better be able to lift your leg up a little bit higher being able to move those tolls a little bit quicker a little bit faster just being able to get a little bit better each day. It all starts at your mentality and approach in how you approach it. No. Are you being positive? You know each day are you being thankful for the situation. You're in regardless of the circumstances. Understood in that there will be a light at the end of the tunnel. And I think that nursing a position where he's gone through a fracture in his leg before he's recovered and been better than he was, you know, before he left, and I think that he'll get to that point again. The NFL big really big week in the NFL. NFL owners means Phoenix pass interference calls and non calls are renowned reviewable. Which is I think really good news. But also, rob gronkowski retired. A do you think he'd actually done 'cause I'm not convinced and be how great would it be to have some kind of rob gronkowski broadcasts? Whether it's Monday night football or like, rob gronkowski. I heard this on Dan Patrick show today rob gronkowski like during a below game at his house did hanging out with his buddies talking about the game. Like so basically to to question any done. And then Secondly, don't we need more gronk on TV. Yeah. I mean, I think he's serious about retiring. Like, I think that's his plan his objective in where he's at his life right now. But you also have to remember he's he's coming off a championship. You know, he's coming off of a Super Bowl in which he was a big big factor in that. He. Has movie role ops opportunities. He's vacationing with his family. His friends is girl. He's really enjoying live right now. And in a good space to where he feels like man, I I've accomplished enough in basketball, I'm done. But as as we've seen historically, you know with guys like gronk, and then people who really love the game. And as Jerusalem Jerusalem houses Asia mentioned if Tom Brady calls him and says he needs him at some point during the season. Don't be surprised if gronk decides to come back. So that tells you that he still has the love he still would play if persuaded into coming back. It's just about whether or not Thomas going to do that at some point this season. And you're going to be hall of fame where he wants hamptonshire's what you don't want to do training. Yep. Well, you don't want to do is is, you know, go go report in July and August, and you know, practice every day and the heat for hours. I mean, I it's not it's not the games. That's the problem. It's the. The grind of it. Especially in the preseason. That's why you're saying like the pros probably the girl in grand calls. If Tom Brady calls a week six because I need you. You know, assuming Broncos in relatively good shape. He wouldn't have to do all that other stuff that nobody really wants to do is better. I agree. He may be wanting to just miss preseason spring training in OT, as you know, that's something that could be a part of his objective disband able to rest re- refocus. Wouldn't it be great to have gronk on TV, and some I don't know if it's like WWE or like football games analysts something like, I don't you feel like we need we need work wrong haven't grown on covering a game with his buddies, or or college friends would be hilarious as something that does something that we would definitely enjoy as a society being able to watch him critique game, especially if he has some alcohol in his system. I can only imagine how. Funny. That would be well, that's what they were paying today on on VP show with Dan was like, I don't know if well it'd be the situation by the fourth quarter like would would gronk out anything last offer. Because we know we know Bronco you'll source. Yes. We know. Yeah. Gronk crock and really get after I quickly on the on the PI stuff. What did you what did you make of this? Because basically there's gonna be a booth review under two minutes each have. And if you think about that that would obviously have changed the Rams saints NFC championship result. And and I think it's a good thing that we're using technology out or as foles all like other sports are and like other rules in the NFL are to actually make the game better. Do do do agree. I think it will be super dope to be able to. Critique, you know, both sides of the football allow times defense gets the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes the only the offense is the benefit of the Dow so being able to kind of even it out a little bit and being able to allow the team's opportunity to to protest certain calls that are made especially in the two minutes, which is when the games are really closely contested in wins and losses are decided by those in possessions that take place under two minutes during the two minutes ruin I think, it'll it'll make DVD's and diva. Backs in live linebackers, and and all those players more aware of the contact that they're putting forth at the line of scrimmage beyond. The line of scrimmage, and I think receivers will be, you know, more aware of, you know, their ability or lack thereof to to get away with certain things and being a Cleveland Browns fan with are receiving core. I'm excited about the opportunity for them to be able to review a pass interference end down calls under two minutes because we have a great offense with the ability to throw the deep ball with the ability to hit the ball out the backfield. And I can only imagine how this will be a nice little weapon to have in our pocket for Browns fans. By the way, cooking's very Arizona. Cardinals head coach he says he'll give players phone breaks. Basically meetings will be shorter phone breaks as a result. I I don't know part of me like love this. And the other part of me is is kind of perplexed for those who don't know Kingsbury comes from Texas Tech. He was supposed to be the USC head coach ends up going to the cards. He's a brilliant often somebody by a lot of people standards. But this is like a different approach foam breaks. When I initially seen it today in the weight room, as I was lifted I thought about how long those meetings must be for football players, you know, gone over film working on the office. We're gonna defense touching up while some techniques and things of that nature. So it must be really really long film sessions which I can attest in a we have long film sessions at ties we have shorter ones. And it's hard to keep your attention span intact for over, you know, forty. Forty five minutes. That's when you begin to kind of wonder, I can only imagine what it's like for lime in the brains. It's hard for it to concentrate and focus on anything, you know, as it is. So being able to have a break and kind of step away, especially in those longer meetings. I think it makes sense whether or not that means getting on your phones another story. But I think the biggest thing for him. It's just making sure players are focused in and being able to kind of re refresh and refocus, you know, while they're watching film, but not lose them is his main objective in goal. And I think that you know, within being in this position doing that. He must obviously want to be on his phone as well at some point during these long meetings in in days of of critiquing, film and breaking down games. How much is this is for the coaches, you think like what what what helps you during these law meetings and arduous film session said, yeah. Phone breaks. You know, what what do you like to do to refresh your mind, especially when you know, maybe you're seems on a losing streak in not playing while you need something to get away. Yeah. We do not have phone breaks phones are usually in the locker room. Once we go into last film ties will watch film coaches in individual sessions in. Just kinda we're working on, you know, certain things, you know, seeing the game with different way understand defensive assignments of offensive assignments in ways I could have made a better decision or better play. But I just got a drink will stretch, I'll do some different things to kind of maintain focus in lucky and understanding that this is your job you have opportunity here to try to get better. And you should just take advantage of that time, and then you can you can resume your other activities. Once you're done it back that Kingsbury not not NFL guy. It doesn't have the NFL experience him coming into the league with. You know, a younger approach of let's have phone breaks will that endear himself to players, especially younger players. I think that they'll respect it in be Ainhoa thankful that he was able to provide them with that opportunity to kind of. Get on your phone. Maybe you have kids. I mean, there's a lot of things that could go into that. I know he talked about social media and how the new millennials are addicted obsess, which is true. A lot of us are obsessed with our phones in regardless of age. And where you grow up at you used to have it in your hands. You're used to Texan you're used to talking on checking your social media, but some people have families so people have, you know, kids, young young kids and things could be going wrong with or just being able to check in, you know, see your baby or talk to your baby. During a long day is something that people were probably, you know, happy to have the opportunity to do you think about how much time we spend with an as their practice facility or the arena or the weight room breaking downfield getting treatment with your teammates and staff more than with your actual family. So being able to kind of check in from time to time is definitely a bonus something, I'm sure a lot of guys will appreciate. More show on in a minute. But I support for pull up with CJ McCollum comes from wicks dot com with wicks you can create your very own professional website. Choose the template you love and customize it by adding your own text images and videos with hundreds of intuitive design features. You can tell your story exactly the way you want won't even more for your website. You can easily start a blog launch an online store or create independent. Sure. Everything in the click on social media and drive even more traffic to your site with SEO tools to get found on Google, which has all the tools, you need to create the exact website you want you can even create a beautiful website while listening to this podcast. That's right. Listen to my podcast and create your website now over one hundred and forty million people choose weeks to create their websites. So you should create yours today. Guest are now by going to wicks dot com. That's W I X dot com slash pull up to get ten percent off. Okay. Back to the show. We went to. Welcome. Grant Williams to the pull up pod junior forward for Tennessee volunteers out of Charlotte, North Carolina. His team is currently the number two seed in the south bracket. They're going to be facing a Purdue on Thursday with the chance to go to the elite eight they beat my patriot league fellow friends of Colgate. In the first round and held Iowa off. And in the second round, you're looking at grant, stats, and achievements. Grant is the SEC player of the year. Two time player of the year. He's the first player to win back to back since ninety five ninety six the only ten players have ever TV that feet Bernard king. Pistol Pete mayor village she killed her new clothes Williamson that's the bar, man. And this week you were named first team all American by the national association of basketball coaches. So welcome to the pull up, man. And congrats on the success. You've had this mart. Appreciate them really year. And we're trying to keep going. Yeah. Man. I I wanna take it back a little bit. I did some research on you a little bit of reading on your history. I know. I know you came into to college at two hundred sixty pals, I've seen the before picture and the after picture of the two thousand eight four you got some ads now man, look like you leaving the bojangles at home and are taking good care of yourself, man. So just first and foremost, what was it like coming out of Charlotte? No, not getting off for by Davison, you know, having offer from Yale haven't offer from Wolford. And then, you know, alternately, you know, being seen by Tennessee late. What how did that kind of motivate you as you head into headed into your freshman year, Tennessee? Just kept me. Right. Mikati run standing that. I have a lot of things I come out much. I could improve my body in the shape that it needs to be in. And coach always was honest with me and told me that I could accomplish a lot of great things that our to really buying the work hard. So for me, it was always about understanding that might be hard. It might be difficult because there's certain things that I love to eat back in the day. And it's things that I enjoy to do. But I realized that it's better for me to worry about that. I can all do they're all twenty years from now when I've done versus nowadays, I focus on myself and big show him where you're to be single day and night when you started out some six stats, and you started to drop away and getting better shape much easier, or it did it become easier for you to stay on that road. It feels like when guys are take that next step and try to get themselves in great shape is usually start. That's harder right in. Then it gets easier. No doubt. It was definitely difficult at first because we're on a food. I had to get rid of and had to near how substitute in order to get into value. But once I learned it can be a while. Because when you're young I was seventeen years old. I was hard headed. So most my. Owens, Hearn and struggle with it. But then after a year, maybe a little less. You realize could accomplish more co I almost told because warns that I could possibly be freshman of the year, but we're tired enough. And instead of that I was all freshman team. And I miss French raise your. Getting higher than the you're tired of gains or third situation. So I really bought in. And then they say summer that I worked as hard as I could I read something that talked about your first closed scrimmage against against Davidson, you had a fast break you wind up for the dunk. You got caught you got you got hung basically you took off. I don't if he took off too far or whatever the case may be on your back, and you you can't invention guys kind of laughed at you was that kind of like, you're welcome to to college basketball moment where you're like. Okay. I got a really focusing lock in and figure out some stuff before I could be impact player. Competitor. So I really what I got the campus in the first day on campus. I graduated high school, and we were playing picking up with them all veteran guys guys who played at Tennessee. So I want to and game point got the game point he caught a cramp room. And that was the most that they happen. They all old guys laughter. It'd be and joked about like how it was bacon and stuff like that. And then the entire summer. I worked hard trying to get my buddy his date thing. I was competing with guys I had to tell him. But I just wasn't ready. Then. I came in hard 'cause they'd never recruited me. They never offered thought came into the point guard workout before I can't they ran a little bit. So I play the hoping to get hung and Lam back something that you don't expect. So it really put me on the spot of. Hey, probably smart committee work a little bit harder than I am even though I'm working as hard as I have my life a lot more. I can do brand describe but one fly we all live pre game ritual. Obviously this has become like a national phenomenon. It's so cool to watch. And it makes me someone that can never done really feel like I. I get his quired by 'cause all the guys get inspired by and obviously it was like by LeBron and Michael Jordan take us through that mostly when we do it for a couple of years is that helps when you're winning a magnifying thing thing, but we actually have after every fifteen minute, Mark. We do a dunk for going to walk around. And this year, we do some different in jumper. You have a lot more things than our bag if we decide to bring him out, but that's what we came up with and to see it go viral to see guys and the minute he do it and everything all the guys who liked him other colleges copying us and actually pretty goofy for us because we played what's Regina, and they did it before the game. So it just goes to show that certain things might translate. We're still gonna come out and beat you beat you down a little bit for trying to tomatoes would be worth things. So who's actually some that? We we really enjoyed were. Hoping we can keep keep going as they say imitation is the biggest form of flattery. So, you know, take it as a compliment than other people are swagger jacking, y'all and your pre game dunk, man. But. Okay. Turning the page a little bit. You our own pace the graduate with a supply chain management degree with a focus marketing your mother currently works for NASA. How important was were academics. You know for you growing up on you played ten instruments. You know, basically your entire life. You have a little keyboard in your room where you play and sing songs. How important was the focus on academics for you as a child. Well, because grandparents are educators. My mom was worse for NASA. They my dad really appreciate. So for them always about challenging myself and every part of life like whether it was musically, whether it was academically athletically, they said if you can learn one you can learn another. So that's the approach I've taken in everything. So I'm always open. Learn something new and it's allowed me to grow. Both my I q off the court and on the court. So so I was gonna household thing and my brothers and cyber or cybersecurity. So it's kinda cool to have somebody support of the people around me. But it's also for for having that because not many people get great as you say, you're kind of a renaissance man, I love the the term you chose Tennessee over Harvard and Yale and other. I what what was that decision? Brought this like for you. And and how hard was it to turn down? And I even get your patients who was difficult for sure because my mom was. Was on it. And she really wanted me the opinion because you trust the staff, but for me, it was always about the relationship than a hat with the coaching staff. The real deal is close to home. So my grandparents my parents can see play and also undoing one competing highs level in to put myself in that Tennessee you gone. I close Barnes. I'm thankful to have that Chilean into have proven my knowledge others that I be here. So honestly, I'm just excited to. No that they make a wrong decision, and I'm thankful, and I'm ready to keep on going for what we have right now. You guys have a chance to to get to the elite eight not many teams are players. You know are put in that position where they can be you know, player two year back to back. You know, first team all American with a chance to potentially win a national championship. How special is this opportunity? You have in front of you. And what's one thing fans should know about this tendency, Tennessee team as they prepare as you said before the media attention had didn't really start coming till you guys started winning. You know, you guys have been doing that dunk pregame with fifteen on the clock for years. And now they're just starting to kind of publicizes. So what's some things that we don't know about this Tennessee team that we should know? Clown's that just enjoyed being right shoulder. We're close tight knit group because we want so many things over the years about each other. We're so close just one of those families or in life. So this team guys don't know that Jordan bone is the biggest Drake fan oil guys don't know that we have a turn four game or card games that we play all the time. We enjoyed being around each other. So that's the person that having a better team and had this opportunity to go to lead eight. Unique because not many teams happens, and we both enjoy the moment. But we also have to understand we're here for a reason and one of a further, and we wanna make more things happen. So north to do that together. And we have to continue to be this group that we we claim, and we know we are growl. It take it back a little bit. I I don't know if this is accurate. I read today that you want with used to wait in line for Harry Potter. Does that is that is that accurate? Back in the day. My mom, and I used to just sit in line with both general, and Harry Potter was a series that we enjoyed buff. There's an eye, but it wasn't the only thing I was I was avid reader growing up. I haven't had much time of recent which kinda sucks, but when I get more time my hands pick it back up, what are some of the favorite grant Williams shot? Netflix TV shows, you know, away from the court honestly alive. I love cop shows and law show. So for me, it's always been shows like Chicago PD SVU criminal minds or full people, which is Hulu now and how to feel my myself. So brother, let's debate. So I shall end of it. And I needed pets a little bit of everything when it comes to TV, and whatever recommended I'll enjoy the game of thrones. My friend told me was it good show. And I I'm not waiting to it because everybody watched it. And then when I picked it up. I was like, okay. Maybe maybe this is for me a little bit in a game of thrones, Israel, man, I was suggest. You, you know, contained a wash that billions. There's a lot of good TV shows out there that are in attaining bring a different dimension allow you to kind of escape the day-to-day stresses in things that come with, you know, the life that we live in laws you to come in just relaxing unwind. But I read I also read one other thing that I have to bring up before we let you go with two things your mom has always preached the importance of right now your goals. So he wrote out seven goals and one of them or I think the first one is to go to the NBA. You haven't really told the public about the other six goals that you have in place. I think my question for you is something I ask all athletes, and and people will come on the podcast is the importance of speaking things into existence having a plan and being able to escape, you know, the stresses a basketball. So my question for you is you enjoy reading since you were a kid, you know, you write your goals out. And you do all those types of things. What are you looking forward to doing a post basketball it? So you. Have a ten fifteen year career. You know, what do you want to be known for how you trying to impact the game outside of basketball to make an impact? No matter what I do. Whether it's athletically or keep on around. So I've always been an advocate if you've been back, but I've also have interest in funding things about different cultures. And maybe saying around the game. I love I love to be a coach because I good personality for it. But also, I would love to do something different investing different companies. I have a broad sense of broad taste. And all if something that intrigues me, I'm going to for suet. So never had a closed mindset. But whether it's basketball or anything else how to grow as a person who has individual rent. She's as talks on earlier, but you know, other ten instruments, what is your favorite play piano for sure. Because the most is the one I practiced the most, and it's also something that's probably my fam-. My grandfather plays almost every day brother plays and overtime loose or just like languages because I'm I'm Phyllis finished. You can lose the language because you don't practice it enough. So that's why I have that keyboard on my road to deal with the down to play it every now, and again, but panels, definitely my favorite instrument Buna niche bandit chief, Dan, who we never we do have a renaissance man here who can't fluid in Spanish f you see back here. Grant, you're making us look bad. No, y'all got enough golf. That's impressive, man. But I appreciate you coming on the pot, man. I wish you nothing but the best of luck not only in this incident blade tournament. But in your future, you know, in the league and beyond minute. So do your Dana more. I'll be watching enjoy. Enjoy colleges could be last year. So just enjoy with moments with your teammates like you've been doing and go have fun. Good luck. Well, thank you for appreciate. Once again, we want to thank grant Williams for coming onto pull up pod junior forward. All American two time player of the year with a chance to get to the elite eight for the Tennessee volunteers. Great kid guy who speaks Spanish fluently plays ten instruments. Mom, works for NASA had offers from the Ivy league, but chose to go to Tennessee and be a volunteer. Now, it's paid off and he's playing and lead level. So once again, thank you for coming on to pull a pod appreciate all our listeners out there as well. You know, tune in their faithfully since prayers for big fellow nurk wish him a speedy recovery. Hope you guys have a great week. I hope the brackets turned out. Well for all of you. Hope you're listening to Jordan Schultz and his predictions in on his new show. You know, he's making predictions for those that you'd like to gamble and make money. I think he's doing a pretty pretty good job. You know based on his record. What's your record, Jordan? Bet bet Devon one one. And I think as a as a whole well into the sixty percent panel. So doing really good about it. But you know, it's a day to day deal. And it's only a matter of time before I go cold. But right now, he's hot. So you might wanna ride the wave. But once again, you can catch us on apple podcast radio dot com slash pull up with CJ or wherever you get your shows. And don't forget to bloom.

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01/30: Kansas is 1-5 on the road and might be broken for good; Ethan Happ and Grant Williams' cases vs. Zion for POY

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01/30: Kansas is 1-5 on the road and might be broken for good; Ethan Happ and Grant Williams' cases vs. Zion for POY

"Hey there. It's scary parachutes Wednesday January thirty two thousand nineteen. Welcome back to the island. College basketball podcast when we sometimes discuss Campbell fighting leaks. Black Matt norlander is here with me. I want to open up big twelve because an interesting past two days in the big twelve on Monday night, Baylor went to Oklahoma and one by thirty by thirty to extend its winning streak to five games. Scott clues bears now five into the league tie with Kansas state and only Kansas state atop the big twelve standings. That's because Kansas law seventy three sixty three Tuesday night at Texas. So the jayhawker now sixteen and five overall five and three in the big twelve. But even more concerning is KU is now just four and four since you as a bookie suffered a season ending hand injury. And they're just one in five in road games on the season. So let's start here. Norlander? You have consistently said you will not pick anybody other than canes in the big twelve until K you string of at least share of fourteenth straight big twelve titles as broken, but right now Keynes's tied for third the big twelve standings, the jayhawks trending in the wrong. Direction and Kim Tom currently projects Iowa State to win the league outright and snap. K you streak question. Are you ready to abandon Bill self? Are you ready to say Kay you streak of big twelve titles? It's coming to an end question. Where's your Iowa State picked in the league? Answer. I'd have given possibly remember something answer. I know it was six I had him second-half doing good morning. I can't believe it's been three days as we had a podcast this week is flying by I will not abandon my band in my post. I'm still going to stick with this. I am still let me I think this is the language I've used in the past, but I will make it crystal clear as we start this Wednesday podcast. I will not pick Kansas to not finish atop the league standings in the big twelve until it doesn't. There have been a couple of instances over the past fourteen years where they finished atop the leaks endings and actually shared a regular season title with a couple of other teams. I think that outcome is actually now most likely I'm not gonna give up on this this not gonna Bandon it. And as as you're mentioning this. I was thinking about it yesterday. Because I knew he talked about this earlier in the season. I I refused to abandon Villanova. And then I feel like you kind of talk me into abandoning Villanova. And now, look what's happening. So the same thing is applying here, I know in the aftermath of losing a road game, Texas. It's feeling like it's never been this much jeopardy for Kansas. Maybe that's true. But I got to see it to believe it. And I also think big twelve big picture wise, I'll get to Baylor in a second. But on throwback to you first big, picture wise. The big twelve I don't think the winner is going to get out of this without at least five losses at least five right now Baylor in K state have to Texas Tech which is balancing back. Nicely has three Kansas three in Iowa State has three I would say, it's even relatively possible. Maybe not likely, but if we if we look up we see three teams wind up finishing with five losses atop the standings. And if that indeed this happen, I think you're going to have some people out there that are going to refute the Kansas fifteenth street years, but the record really is consecutive years finishing atop the league standings in the regular season tie or no tie. I won't give up yet. And. With Kansas if you can take now it's easier said than done in Texas was able to do this to a certain degree. Thanks in part to Jackson Hayes who is a raw talent. But if he wants to leave after one season, he will leave and he will be first run traffic guy like him on the floor, certainly had an impact. And you can't get anything else consistent there. They didn't even start legit Vic last night. Oh, Ty Balji started. And he was actually he was he was fairly decent. But there's not they're not getting enough around him. They're just not getting enough help overall. And so how I wonder playfully wondering yet. I know there will be some heavy cynics out there will Silvio Susa be ruled eligible or not in the coming days here set Davis, our colleague at CBS, and who writes for the Atlantic maintains that it's coming like like by the weekend. Essentially will will he get eligible. And if he does how much will people lose their minds of Kansas gets to Sousse on the floor. There's also the question of. All right. Getting back is important. But is it really going to be the difference? We will wait and see on that. But the man that was not a good performance. And now Kansas you mentioned the foreign four I'll extend the stat. I mentioned on the previous podcast all their losses. Have come on the road. They are one in five in road games. Haven't lost at home haven't lost on a neutral floor. So there are some bright spots here and there, but yeah, this is a this is a slipping Kansas team. And as they enter February lots of doubt is out there. I can't wait to redress. This come the end of February though because I can I can see it. So clearly we'll look up and they'll have some one game lead in the standings. I would you say that the the winner of this league is going to end up with at least five I think five losses. Meaning if you only have five losses in the league, you're gonna win the league outright. I think I six might even win it outright, certainly six. I would assume would would at least share the title, and I'm not gonna freak out about the conference St.. Bandings? Like, that's the thing. I've seen some people focus on oh, you know, since Tuesday night, which is Kansas is now five and three in the league a game behind Baylor. A game behind Kansas state tied for third with Texas Tech in the win column. I don't care about that. Because we've we've actually seen Kansas makeup. Ground throughout February in years past we've probably done at least one podcast episode each year where Keynes's trailing somebody or no longer projected do this or that. And we we asked these questions that we're asking right now, we talk about the same stuff we're talking about right now. And then just like you said you look up late February and Kansas got to game lead in their, you know, a weakened beim away from clinching at least share the title of. We still got a week left in the season. Whatever to me, the more concerning thing is that they're not very good without the guy that they lost. And so you can look at big picture and go, hey, they're sixteen and five with twelve wins over top one hundred Kim pom teams, the resume still very good because the resumes still is very good. But the do they used to build that a lot of that resume is not available now any gonna be available. Like talking about Kansas from November six to today is kind of pointless. We you're going to discuss Keynes's intelligently. You really got to start talking about him since the moment don't suffer hand injury. And they're four and four with two losses to unranked teams in that stretch. And they were an underdog less than Texas in the in the Langa pushed up in other words, like opened it. I dunno Texas, minus one and by tip. I think it was around two or two and a half. And then they go lose by ten and that's a Texas team. That is still is good in the computers, but they entered that game eleven and nine and losers of five of their last six. So like, what is makers did was valuate Kansas based on what Kansas has been? It concluded the Kansas should not win a game against the team. That was one in five minutes past six. Games to me. That's the most concerning thing here is that. Canes looked very average without your Doke as Buki. And I think last night was another reminder that yes, I agree. And it's why the seemingly pending news of Silvio suicides does have relevance and potentially impact. I'll also note that earlier this week the end of determined that Miami soft more or no shoes me junior doin Hernandez at entered into an agreement and accepted benefits from an agent would basically Christian Dawkins. This was a tertiary connection to the FBI case and Miami the rule that he can play this year or forty percent next season. Hernandez subsequently declared for the Trafton reply for that school again. So if people wondering about that case, and maybe it will indicate that Silvio deceased might necessarily be eligible list. It's anything is possible. But the way that we know. Desouza and his guardian to be connected to this case is not the same circumstances. That Miami's Hernandez was so as you wait for that keep that in mind. I don't feel super strong predicting one way or another in this. But I'm not exceedingly confidence to Susa. We'll get eligible if he does I think he can make an impact, but Perisher on the money just in terms of Doak how much he meant how he helped loss and overall, and you can't expect you can't ask Lawson even though I'm sure he he would love to do it to give you twenty nine fifteen five assists and three blocks every night. It's just it's just not sustainable, and now if you look at the big twelve real quick here. I mean, they Texas wins. Right. Huge win for Texas huge instead of eleven ten twelve and nine in a big time victory only their second since January fifth. They also have a wins over North Carolina and produce has lost to Radford at home building. One of there are some real weird resumes out there. I won't say Texas has the weirdest one because there are some weird ones. And we've we've hit on some of those in the past month on the pod. But Texas is growing something that I I can very much see Texas. Being one of those teams we get we get seeming like one of them every four to five years about in the turnament where you look up in you when they get in the tournament. They've got their three wins over five hundred or four wins over five hundred total and from a record standpoint, it just doesn't look right. But when you dig into the resume, it would you'd have a hard time kind of keeping them out. I think Texas is trending toward that overall. So that was a that was a big win for for shock us March longhorns. Let me say one thing about Silvio's situation Kansas because like you I'm I'm not confident predicting either way if only because. You'll look dumb more often than smart if you start trying to predict what the is going to do in any case because they're wildly inconsistent. And they do not follow their own precedent. But I do a regular spot every Tuesday in Kansas City, and I was asked about it on Tuesday. And one of the things I've said is that this such a complicated case because what one Hernandez at Miami? You can say that the penalty is excessive especially if you believe the reports that the. Improper benefits that he accepted was amounted to less than five hundred dollars. Like if you want to say the penalty for that is excessive. I I'll agree with you. If you want to say that amateurism rules that prevent things like that are ridiculous. I've been yelling that for years, but he did knowingly violate instability rules, you know, he knew what he was doing and he got caught. And so there's a price to pay whether you agree with the rules or not just like, whether you agree with the speed limit or not if you are in a forty five drive in sixty five and you get caught there's a price to pay for it. Even if you think it's all ridiculous with Silvio situation. It's a little to me more complicated. Because there's I think everybody agrees acknowledges that something outside of what the instable book Lal's. Happened as it's connected his recruitment. And presumably that is why he ended up at Kansas as opposed to Maryland or somewhere else, but there's also no evidence whatsoever. That he knew that what was happening or legendary happening. It seems to have all happened above his head. And so I'm I'm sympathetic to that the idea that a student athlete would have things games seasons. Perhaps maybe college careers ripped away from him because of something that he didn't. He wasn't involved in. He didn't know about he didn't approve of like that all sucks, and so I'm sympathetic to that. And it's why if the Belay grant Simmons eligibility allows him to to play for Keynes's again, I won't scream in Yale that this is the worst thing ever because. Ause even though I don't think I would rule that way. I, you know, I I I'm sympathetic to his very specific circumstances. That said if the instable a says, he's never playing Kansas or college basketball. I also won't scream and yell about that. Because I don't know how you enforce amateurism rules, if you are going to ultimately say, well, the student athlete didn't know what happened that led to him enrolling Kansas. Therefore, we're not gonna hold him responsible for what happened that led him enrolling Kansas. Because what that leads to? If you wanna go down, the slippery slope thing is basically, it's a it's a cheat for everybody in the country. Hey, here's a shoe company. Here's an assistant coat. Here's an agent going to give you fifty thousand dollars one hundred fifty thousand dollars to go play. Basketball at this school. The money's gonna go from this person over here to your guardian or grassroots coach or high school coach or father, or whomever, and you just don't need to know anything about it. If you're ever asked about it. You just say, you don't know anything about it. And then just like civic at Kansas you'll you'll be allowed to play again. I you probably won't get caught. We probably won't get caught a be if you do get caught you just have to shrug your shoulders and say, but I didn't know and everything will be okay again. I hate amateurism rules, the concept is outdated. It's morally wrong. But as long as the rules are in place. I don't St. how you enforce them. If you allow players to play even though their amateur status is compromised just because they there's no evidence that they knew what was happening. Make all that. Largely agree with you. And I think that Kansas is going to try and make the argument that any benefits that were afforded to him. Have been paid for retroactively in. What would have amounted to game suspensions though, he did play last season? And that I I think that also like the status is not just will he play will he not Williams AA handout a similar suspension than it did Hernandez. I would believe I would believe that whenever we find out more about this also has to determine if it's going to bring any sort of potential. Judgment on Kansas for playing him last season. And if that violated anything, and if so what Kansas quite stand to lose from record vacation among other things. But the greater point you make there is level headed and accurate. You know, whenever we do get news. It might be in time for an ex podcast. We'll wait and see we'll have obviously react accordingly. But in terms of on the court parish getting him back. I if they if they do. Yes, it's a help. But I, you know, however, you want to slot Kansas right now, if you wanna say, Kansas, let's just let's say Kansas. You have them as fifteenth best team in the country. So I think that's where they were palm. When I look last night getting desouza back doesn't doesn't to me that very inclusion doesn't jump them from fifteen to five maybe maybe it makes fifteen to twelve or thirteen or so there are other factors that need to they need to get better with most notably the freshman Dotson Grimes just this is why we sometimes take Duke and Kentucky for granted because they can rely on their freshman to do so much and Kansas in many years, which had great ones. Don't get me wrong. But it's no it's no guarantee, and if they were playing more consistently than Kansas wouldn't be in this position. Let's talk about Baylor for a second fourteen six now thirty I can palm there on a five game winning streak. This is a team that started the season three. And two six four eight and five win one in the big twelve one and two in the big twelve. And now they're five and two in the big twelve tied atop the leaks. I know you talked to Scott drew after the the bears won by thirty at Oklahoma. Which is just ridiculous. Like, nobody in the country should win by thirty at Oklahoma. Not do not for Jinyan anybody. And yet bather goes to to Oklahoma wins by thirty. I texted with Scott late Monday. It really this is one of the I mean, we focused in recent podcast about the twists and turns of a season usually the turns in the wrong direction right now ole miss is that. I think all burn is probably that. But you talk about twists and turns turning upwards like really taking what looked like it was going to be a bad season. I mean, you can go into the archives of this podcast. And at one point we were discussing the big twelve and Baylor is probably going to finish last in the big twelve because it was a sensible thing to say at the time. And now we're sitting on January thirtieth Baylor's tie for first in in the big twelve really is a bit of off the radar story. But still a remarkable story in college basketball. Yeah, it is. I think Baylor had the most surprising January of any major conference team. Now, it's zipping up into the top and top forty in net rankings and has five quadrant. One wins. It is doing this. So it's interesting because we talk about what Kansas can't do as poopie. Evaluate as Buki as their second best player. I think that's fair. Baylor does not have its best player. In fact, has not had tristen clerk. It's best player since right before its last loss, which was Kansas coincidentally enough on January twelfth since then since losing Tristan Clark Baylor is five and one has won three road games, including as you mentioned the relatively shocking thirty point win at Oklahoma. And Scott, drew is building a case for big twelve coach of the year at this point. Wait and see what happens. Here's what's fascinating to me about Baylor. I want to see how they play out through February because they'd be in the field. If they started today and turn a field that is that wouldn't have been the case if we had done this podcast three weeks ago, really even two weeks ago. They wouldn't have right quite had the quite had the resume. But this is now because Clark's gone he was there six nine kind of do it all power forward. This is the smallest team by far in the big twelve and drew told me it's small team. He's ever had. This is the this. Is the second most shocking season as it's unfolding that he's ever had the only one that was more surprising was two thousand nine two thousand ten that season. Baylor was picked to finish tenth out of what was then a twelve team big twelve made the elite eight and had a really really talented team turned out this season Baylor pick night that of tenth. And now you look up tied in the standings with Kansas state overall. But it still it's such a small group starts six five quote center and is on pace here for the fifth consecutive season to be a top ten team in offense. Rebound percentage will see if he can keep that up. Obviously, the big twelve has some some serious bigs in front court presence and Baylor is is as zagging team while much of the rest of the league is is exceeding. So they're gonna they're gonna hit some skids here. But even just getting to the tournament would be incredible just to note to note on Baylor, Scott, they're they're worth at least hitting on at this point there in Wednesday's court report among some other stories as well on CBS. Sports dot com. Check that out. But it is it is truly remarkable what they've been able to do and how they've been able to turn it like this. Because almost nobody saw this coming and now to do it without their best player is even more frankly perish. It's ridiculous. Like, drew drew said, it's he he even thinks it's a little bit crazy at this point. But he's riding within. Hopefully, it will be able to sustain itself. I mean, that's what he told me. He was like, I don't I can't make sense of this like what the players are playing. Well, then it's a lot of fun to be experiencing what they're experiencing the one thing worth noting. And I probably goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway. The big twelve has eight top thirty five Kim palm teams, which is just ridiculous. I mean eighty percent of the league's in the top thirty five Kim palm. So it doesn't matter. How will your playing or how well you've been playing lately, I think what we've already learned about this league is that everybody is susceptible to multiple game losing streaks. So you can win five in a row and fill like you've really got some stuff figured out. And the next thing, you know, you take a loss to a top thirty five Kim pong team at home. Then you go on the road as an underdog against top thirty five Kim pong team, you take loss there. And now, you're right back where you were, you know, two weeks ago, and so Bailer is obviously still susceptible to that. But I would I would argue literally everybody in the league Keynes's included susceptible to that in its. It'll be interesting perhaps the most interesting power conference race to watch going forward. Grant Williams had another night's game on Tuesday night. We're gonna talk about that. And the player that your race. Next. But first check this up getting tickets online can be far too complicated with hundreds of sites. Varying levels of reliability is hard to know who to trust it. Which is why geek is the way to go, especially when you use promo code college BB that's promo code college. BB to get ten dollars off your first seatgeek purchase. What seeking does is pull millions of tickets into one place where you can easily find the seats you want for price? 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And he got twenty three points nine rebounds in a win at South Carolina on Tuesday night and shells, Tom Hart who shouted out both Devon downing and Chester South Carolina on Tuesday nights, SEC network Braga. Tom the legend now forever, Terry Teagle, how much was that hard dropping Devon he Chester South Carolina shout out on the broadcast, Tom Hart. We hope this last think, you're listening. Thank you. If you can work went in one more time the season that'd be incredible. That was I wasn't. I had the game on, but I had the quad screen, and I didn't have the volume on that one. So I didn't hear it happened. But then obviously people it is up. And then our Kyle Boone actually captured the video and shared it. That was that was fantastic. That was that was a nice little surprise there. South carolina. Couldn't get it done against NC. Frankly, they needed Devon Downey on that floor last night. But but regardless and that was that was. Cool moment. And grant Williams continues his his strong case for player of the year. I think he has to be in anyone's top three at this moment. The game tip at five thirty central. So I was still in radio when it happens didn't hear it live either. But I started getting Twitter. It's about it instant. Moments after it happened in shelter. Cal for capturing chest Cupporter to were. Toco boom for capturing it in sitting it out into the social media world. Dave Pasch if you're listening you're now on the clock. Alarm bells shout out during an era Zona game ace Sant norlander. Grant williams. He's now averaging twenty point four point seven point, four rebounds, three point four assists. One point six blocks one point three steals in thirty one point four minutes per game for Tennessee team. That's nineteen and one ranked number one in the country. He is better. Statistically, speaking in basically, every way you measure things this season. And again, he was the SEC player of the year last season. So I don't wanna say anybody's got anything locked up in January, but I'll be shocked if he's not the SEC player of the year. Again, do give him a real chance to catch. Zion can anybody perhaps even Ethan hap- kits Zion in the player of the race? It's possible. I 'cause I don't wanna Heisman ourselves here. I feel college football media not all of them. But just a certain contention to point where when we hit mid October. It feels like a discussion point frequently maybe not annually the frequently where there's a particular player that seems like a foregone conclusion and. Then you fast forward to that. Whatever I first or second Saturday in December. And you see that in fact. No, it was it wasn't the play that we thought. So it's possible certainly possible. Because of the fact that RJ Barrett, I think would need to be on the top ten of any overall player of the year ranking list at this point. And if Zion still continues to be awesome. But RJ, you know, hits another level in terms of how much he scoring and maybe numbers trend back a little bit. They still votes from each other. Then opens the window for play grant Williams who is a parish. I'll say, this grit. William seems more of a lock to win player the air in his conference Zion. Does player the year nationally you look around at the rest of the league in even the Williams of similar to Williamson in that his own teammate, Admiral Scofield isn't lagging too far behind. I think what he is doing right now is grant Williams. What what he is doing is is so impressive. Tennessee is so good. And yes, I still gonna take another loss two maybe three before we get to the SEC tournament. But still I he's got a stranglehold on that you mentioned eastern hap-. He leads the courtroom. Port in that. Ethan hasn't been discussed as a player of the year candidate to this point. Maybe inside the borders that fame cheese state over there in the great midwest in our shouts to everyone. Listening to this podcast, enduring insanely, cold weather in Wisconsin, Illinois and Minnesota wind chills approaching negative fifty and sixty degrees. We hope this podcast is warming your hearts and your ears, but even has not been discussed, and he really should be. And it's not just because he's only one one thousandth of a point behind Williamson in Ken palms player of the year formula, which is certainly notable. You mentioned grit Williams's up across the board basically in every major statistical category. Ethan hap is averaging career highs and almost every major category with the exception of to get to that real quick and just one second. But right now, Ethan hap is on pace averaging north of seventeen points, ten rebounds and five assists. No big ten player ever has done that. And it has. Been at least twenty two or twenty three years, and it might even be longer. I have not been able to to to suss out and figure out if it happened winning wearing the early nineteen eighties a player period in the level of all d one seventeen ten in five doesn't seem that grand. But it just simply does not happen that often. In fact, there have been very few cases. I haven't found Bill Walton Larry Bird of done it. I'm sure there are a couple of guys in the eighties with the fact is Ethan half is the only dude right now flirting with that. And when you consider how valuable he is to Wisconsin. This is now a top twenty five team in the rankings. It's obviously it's it's doing well when four in a row trying to bump up against Michigan. Michigan state in the big ten standings, everything that he does just about needs to have him at the forefront of the conversation. I would actually get him closer to the top five or says where I had him almost a week ago. Last thing personal throwback to you the weird thing with these in half is this he doesn't shoot three pointers and he's terrible at free throws. He's never been worse at free throws. He's shooting now below fifty percent. But he doesn't. Get taken that games. And I talked with him about this. And he said that he he's gone through so many different shooting coaches and mechanics and routines and the actually settled on one he liked in the preseason. But once it failed him in the first few games of this season. He abandoned it made the problem even worse. And now he's trying to get back into that. Hopefully, he'll be somewhat consistent when we get to March. The ironic thing is the first twelve games of youth and career he was shooting nearly eighty percent from the foul line. It only got progressively worse as a freshman, then things really got out of hand. He's gotten worse and worse and worse. So he's this awesome amazing player one of the best ever in Wisconsin history. And yet this is this huge glaring flaw. We wait and see if it winds up costing Wisconsin the tournament or not. But overall, I think you gotta say Ethan hap- right now top five player of the year candidate because all the numbers and historical trend suggested he is I don't know how closely you look at player efficiency ratings design got the best in the country right now by a significant margin. It's forty three point three six closest to him. Like number two in the country is thirty seven point two four. So he's more than six points higher than anybody else in the country in terms of PR number two, by the way print and Clark zag Gonzaga's. Interesting in the sense that. The leading returning sore on the team was is killing Tilly the guy. Most people say is their best player is really Tamara. And in the guy with the best PR is Brandon Clark. So when you got though when you can check those three boxes with three different people. Who's your best player who deleting returning score? Who's got the highest PR when you check those three boxes with three different players got a hell of a basketball team. It's why I don't think it's going to lose again before the NCAA tournament, and maybe not lose again all year. Like, it's not crazy to me to think that they could win the national championship. I mean ask you this is Mary Shay on your player that your radar at all. He's on the radar. I didn't have him top and actually had Brian Clark over such Moore. Because I think he's doing just a bit more right now shock is. I think still leads the big twelve in scoring. And he is an important factor. But I watch Iowa State and how skilled there are one to five G P and Taylor Horton. Tucker is top ten top twelve freshmen in America tires Halliburton is the most effective efficient freshman because of how well he shoots the three. So anyway, long way answering it he's on the radar. But I I don't think he has a realistic chance of finishing say first team all American which means he doesn't have a chance of winning overall. Because he's got he's got a lot of help around him. And. He's I mean, it's going to be him or him or Dietrich Jericho Culver that wins. Big twelve player of the year. The one thing I was saying is defense as it pertains to possible. I America stuff. He's averaging nineteen point seven points per game right now in thirty two point two minutes per game. And remember states projected right now at Kim palm to to win the big twelve outright. If they do that, then he's going to be getting proper national attention. 'cause like if I take those wins the big twelve outright. I was going to end up being a top team, rob. And then you've got a guy everage nineteen point seven points. Five point rebound five point one rebounds for top team that just won the big twelve outright interesting. He shooting fifty one point four percent from the field. Forty one point zero percent from three point range eighty six point five percent from the free throw line. And I got this from Iowa State was days ago since the two thousand nine two thousand ten season only seven players have average. At least nineteen points while shooting fifty forty and eighty five Emeril shea right now is on pace to become the eighth player in that span to do it. And so if he does that, and I will sit wins the big twelve I think you'll have a shot at least shot to to be a first team all American before we get outta here. I want to talk about Saint John's for minute because they play on Wednesday night there at Creighton. And I believe the last time we talked about Saint John's it was all positive stuff. They were in the top twenty five we had said in this four-game stretch if they could go to into that you'd take that. If you were Chris Mullin, I believe they did in that four game stretch go to and to let me confirm that real quick then. Yes, it so they lost Seton Hall. That was weird game with the bad ref stuff capping then they beat Marquette at home than they won at Georgetown than they lost at villa over. But only by five points they were sitting there fourteen and two two and two over two at fourteen to to overall to into in the league. And we were like, hey, this is all good stuff since then they've gone one in three with losses to Depal Georgetown at home. The other loss coming at Butler there at Creighton on Wednesday night and Mike Vaccaro the. Accomplished and awarded columnist at the New York Post wrote a column after the Georgetown, lost basically, saying, listen, like Chris Mullen, have the whatever, you know, have the goods to get this thing turned around because right now, it's not looking like, he does I'll ask you. Do you think Chris Mullin gets turned around? And if he doesn't. The implication from from back at least was that. If he can't win with this roster the way he needs to win with this roster. Then he's just not built for the job. What do you think? All of that's fair. Saint John what we were talking about twist and turns right? I mentioned ole miss mentioned, author we mentioned Baylor going up. Saint John's is a twist and turn in the wrong direction. It's totally fair, especially when you look at the biggies this year, which is weird the margins are thin. Almost fifty percent of the leaks games have been decided by six points or fewer eighteen at a thirty eight league games so far. So the conference below Villanova and Marquette is extremely interchangeable which means is there for the taking and when you look at the roster. Saint John's has there's little excuse for it being as behind the ball right now as it is. In fact, here's a bad sign for Saint John's. It's just barely cracking. The fifty the net it only has one quadrant. One win. It is the only team in the top fifty that has. Two losses or more in or quad four and only has one quad one win the most similar profile. The Saint John's is probably Saint Mary's which isn't sniffing the instability tournament if it were to start today. So that's not a great sign at all. And now it staring down in a near impossible gauntlet in terms of it's not gonna win three in a row. Saint John's it's not gonna win at chrome Wednesday night at Duke on Saturday and then at Marquette the following Tuesday. That's all geez. Yes. It's all in a week's time. You gotta get at least you need at least one. In the easiest one is Creighton Ness on an easy place to win period. Stealing at Duke. Paris. They did it. They did it last season. But the game was at home and Mistry and Saint John's at that weird back toback, Duke and Villanova. And then it actually I remember beat Marquette as well after that. So it was a nice little three-game stretch. Ask him for that two seasons in a row, particularly when all these games are on the road is to task hope that you can somehow steal both at Creighton at Marquette. Have that talent show up the Duke scores, whatever it is get out of their tomb one. You're going to be in much better shape. Owen? Three is more likely. Hope our own three is more like hoping to one and two. But yes, putting Mullins job on on blast here. I think is validated at such a critical point in the season. And there was a clip that went around on Twitter and might have been elsewhere. I don't know. But. It wasn't. It was it's not the worst thing in the world. But it's just not a great look for Mullin in that time out in a critical game against Georgetown critical spot. And you've got the assistant Greg Saint Jean with the whiteboard directing the team, you know, what sometimes assistance run huddles this out of the norm. But it just looked like Mullin was just not involved in the time out period. At that point. He was. He was on his shoe, not even like engaged at all again. You're exactly right. And I do think it's worth pointing out assistance run huddles. I don't wanna say all the time. But it's not that's not abnormal doesn't necessarily mean anything. But when Mullen already has a reputation of not being involved in gauged, and then that's on national television. Like critical moment critical game, your assistance doing everything. And you're just like tying your shoe now get it. Listen, you tie your shoe? I'm sure that's what Chris would say. But it was like it wasn't a great visual. It wasn't. And it was a microcosm. I think for some of the concerns that Saint John's fans have. So I thought this team would get into the instable attorney without much of a challenge. Frankly, I thought by the time we got to the start of February it would have taken on some losses, but it was going to be tough during the big east and comfortably trending toward it. But it's lost at home to Paul which which is an issue and. Georgetown, losses an issue. If if you turn those losses into wins. We aren't having this conversation frankly on the podcast because they'd be in a much better spot. But that's not that's not the case fifteen of five they're not seventeen and three and they're non conference schedule. Was it rated horrendously? I mean, it was really rates as one of the twenty or thirty worse than all college basketball. And it could be a problem overall. Why Saint John's was never ranked despite the despite the fact that it started seven oh, eight nine ten never cracked into the polls at that point. We will wait and see it started well up to twelve no. But it is is gone sideways there real quick perish. I have trivia time for you. If I may since we talked about. That's right trivia times since we talked about undefeated Houston was the first team to twenty wins. This is also more more in depth stuff here. I got a lot of stuff on the court report people please give it a read to Houston beat the field to twenty victories. And I had as my mind sometimes works in weird ways. Wonderment a curiosity that I was hoping to fulfill. I did I wondered and and I wondered how often the team that gets to twenty wins. First does in the instability tournament wins the national title makes a final four cetera. You can find out all those answers in Wednesday's court report. My question for you pairs is this since nineteen Ninety-six nineteen Ninety-seven. There have been two coaches that have done it twice. Only two coaches have are on the list twice first to twenty wins. Can you guess which coaches those are John Calipari? Incorrect. He did it only. Did he ever do it? He'd never know. He he never did. Oh, really? He wasn't the first to twenty wins ever east. When he started like thirty something. No, correct now that can be a factor of the calendar schedule, but John Calipari at Memphis into Kentucky has never been the first twenty wins in a season, that's reducing ridiculous. He said the last undefeated team at least two times. Crazy. But true. Okay. But to I. Thank you. But the yes, yes, Mark view is one of them. And then the other gas isn't that hard as well. Although it's a little bit tricky. But it's not a hard guess. Mike chassis? Nope. Duke has never been the fine. Are the first to twenty wins in the incorrect. I lied to you. I didn't lie to you before. I do. Now Duke was the first twenty wins in that famed. We're on the twentieth. Anniversary nineteen ninety eight ninety nine this terrible trivia time. You don't have your facts right now. Well, yeah, I didn't actually there. So, but I got him straight now, but hall of fame coach who's the other one we've okay hall of fame coach. So we've got marks view Rick Pitino. No. It was never Patino. Was it ROY? It was not ROY North Carolina has never been the first. Well, ROY has won again. I'm I'm lying to you. The worst trivia time ever. Wow. This is this is this is not only is this not only is this a terrible trivia time. You are correct. And it's. It's three coaches not to Kansas did it in ninety six ninety seven and ninety seven ninety eight. Okay. So ROY did do it. There is another hall of Famer that applies this. I promise. The next time. I won't screw up this badly. The other hall of favor. I Bill self correct. But it is self at Kansas. Oh, seven eight. And then the self at Tulsa in ninety nine two thousand Tulsa was the first twenty wins that season. So there are three coaches that have done it. I don't know why I didn't think there were three when Kansas clearly didn't back to back seasons. Where those really really awesome Kansas teams mid to late nineties. Neither of which we've made a pass a Sweet Sixteen but anyway, Houston's the first one this season. And I've got a historical look at the seized that those teams ended up with where they finished the tournament the records etcetera etcetera, I happen to think Houston's one of the best teams in the country because of St. fence, and maybe this pretends well for the Cougars, we'll have to wait and see. But just keep an eye on that going forward. They are standout team in the American. And that is another addition of trivia time where we sometimes as questions, we don't even know what the answer. Might be shops to Devon doubt shows to Chester South Carolina, Terry fatigue. He's alleged to learn. If you haven't subscribed the college basketball podcast yet. I don't know what you're doing with your life. Please do that. You can do it via apple podcasts. And when you do it what we're requesting is that. You rated favourably that means five stars. Nice comment. 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Jayson Tatum Misses at the Buzzer, Pacers Beat Celtics, Robert Williams Shines

The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden

1:23:14 hr | 3 weeks ago

Jayson Tatum Misses at the Buzzer, Pacers Beat Celtics, Robert Williams Shines

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We're on the same instructions to do whatever you want. You pull up from 35 feet. It's just ridiculous. Okay, we're driving me crazy about it is yeah that you take so long to make your move to I'm not quite sure. This is the move guys because it's a one-point game if it's a tie game best suggestion get going and listen and listen, I'm one for Jayson Tatum high. So I like that, you know, I like for him to get those wage. So but I didn't think tonight with the night for that. I really didn't you had other guys play stepping up here. Robert Williams man will get in later. I mean, yeah, he he also wasn't, you know doing everything down the street that could that should have benefited himself because how long time though I'm not saying like look what Jayson Tatum and when it comes to Brad Stevens late-game execution what happened to the days of Brad coming up with those crazy plays out those days of when you were unexpected you to know who's going to shoot the ball at the end of the game is Evan Turner or whether Isaiah and listen, I'm not saying I want to see breast even set up every other person for that. Last-minute shot. Right but we've seen Brad Stevens pull out way better tricks in that right Mark more as a lot, you know, a couple of those game winners when he was still wearing the uniform like he has those tricks. Why is he afraid to use them guys? Is it too early for those tricks? I mean isn't that isn't as the time where you work out those? Wow, he's the one that you're really confident in or is that the best you can do is that it is that the best thing to do right. Now the way they are the way they are progressing is that the best finish that Brad can do a job. Maybe if you do damned if you don't just way everyone wants to see Tatum tables, but if Tatum drives and kicks and print your takes the final shot of her me like what was that LeBron's but it's a beautiful game off. I just want them to get moving a little bit. It's just a it's a thirty-five. I don't care if he takes a A 3-pointer or a or a pull up jumper or or backs a guy in shoots a turnaround but a 35-footer. I mean it was Grant they call it doesn't both of you. Then you just you're more Santa Tatum. I'm upset that he chose to take that shot instead of working for something better. I thought this was a great opportunity for Brad to come up with something better than that. I don't know whether whether it meant a to make in the last shot fine, but dribble it out for six seven seconds. It's not I do so one thing you notice about the Pacers and they did this all night long as they do take away that way and they put a guy on the elbows. They put a guy on the wall post box there. So it cuts off. To the cutting a lot of the driving lanes that they had and ran Jaylen Brown incredibly still toward through that and had a fantastic game efficient gust of the rim, but I think in a wait game situation there you don't need the cutting Lanes. You don't have the driving lanes that you you know, you'd be running into three guys and I could take but he'd been turning it over. I still think that's the best lucky can come up with their this is I saw it on T hero bald garbage. Okay. It's it's an awful shot. I've seen Superstars do it. I'm a superstar. I'm going to take that shot. It's a terrible shot. You're thinking teammates wanted him to take that shot. That's not everybody wanted wanted the game to end on okay. I don't want to take this job, but that's not it. That's not the one it was a tough shot. I got that shot. You gotta I mean, this is the same conversation. We had at the Milwaukee a tough shot there and he makes it a last-second possessions never going to be an easy as I say pick-and-roll dumped to the South Lines again open 3. It's never going to be that easy to us to games. He's had the ball in his hands and he's 142 and this was honestly this was a better shot than I am a much better shot. At least you had a clean look exactly what the Jonas knew it was coming he was extended and he threw a moonball off the air, you know, like that was a that was a that was the worst shot than this. So Brad's talking now, he's just said they had emotion that got denied and paid him took a tough shot. So that's basically what happened there that they had a plan a and the Tatum he was planning to be there. And again, I don't hate it. He's capable of making that shot. He's a tough shot maker. He's your best player. If you want to do something a little fancier you go to Brown in that situation and try to get him some penetration and if there's any second gate guess maybe you used him as some sort of diversion and get it to Brown because if we're you know through three games right now, who's the best Celtics player right now in authors? Robert Kaylin Brown. I mean this guy's probably in the world is like forth. But yeah. Hey Jalen Brown. In fact, I look things came easy to take off a little while tonight. He looked like he could have cooked this had this had the look of a 40-point game for him at times. But what's amazing about Jalen is he could get anything he wanted any time he wanted he can get anywhere. He wanted and he only took 13 Shots tonight. If this is so frustrating games of Jalen used to have where he clearly could get it going if the Celtics would involve him more but may be the third or fourth option and he just go stretches without getting the ball in his hands. There is no excuse on this team for Jaylen Brown not to get as many shots up as he wants in a game. It makes no sense to me. He know he was tired after a super hot start. He absolutely needed needed to be more involved when I lived. I would agree with that John. I'm like like Bobby had mentioned we know after the Bucks series have two plus years after the Bucks game we talked about how that was a lucky shot meet John. I mean John's consistent. He hated this shot in Milwaukee wage. They shot I tend to to stick with him on this. I didn't you know, we we said that was a lucky shot was a lucky shot that hit him hit in Milwaukee and maybe that's part of the office thinking behind taking the shot tonight. He sort of got that, you know Swagger mentality going where you know, he wants to take that that big shot, you know, the Damian Lillard type shots the step back thirty five Footers or or whatever and I don't know what the play was. I mean Brad clearly said that was option b apparently according to Bobby so I believe him but is that really a good option to be? I mean, you can't you can log Graduated hoop. You can't find a Jaylen brown or there isn't something like like Jos we mention, you know, they didn't need a desperation three at that point. They could have taken a you know, gotten a better look from somewhere else on the court try to force overtime get to the line, you know, something like that. So I wasn't super pumped with that shot selection. And yeah, I mean you want to see somebody like Jaylen brown maybe be a part of that package get an opportunity because in a situation like that we've his mid reading games through the first 2 and 1/2 games or two games going into this one was on point. I mean, we were all talking about how his mid-range games looked so I mean in that situation you kind of think that maybe he's a guy that has a better chance of hitting it, you know between the, you know, the pain and the and the three-point line or getting to the hoop. Yeah, that's a tough defense to go again. So it's Toronto's defense. Frankly. It's their assistant coach from last year from the championship team. They do that box and one they pinch the lane. It's a lot of stuff that keeps you out of the driveway and frankly. I thought the Celtics were wildly impressive on the offensive night against that after some of the struggles they had against Toronto now better Personnel in Toronto. I don't think that Indiana has the best defense in the world. So you would expect a better performance from Boston on this end what you know what blew it for Boston tonight and we're through three games now, they're the worst offensive team in the league. The defense is horrible. Their defense just has no life. They get blown away and transition every bigshot. They hit it's a shot the other way. I think their ratings 122 transmission defense has abominable so offensive where they're pretty much training baskets and seemed like in that first. So what is it? Is it the bigger line-ups that they run out there. Is that how hard they're chasing offensive rebounds right now, I think that's definitely clears. They're all over the offensive glass and then just getting towards the other way. Is there not enough Daniel theis only 14 minutes tonight. He's part of well, actually, yeah, let's get to that page it after the game asked point-blank is something wrong with theis you said. Nope Williams was just our best big tonight. Okay, I put a pole up on Twitter not a ton of respondents but yet because I'm late in the game, but overwhelmingly Robert Williams was the answer and a guy's a fan-favorite is a popular answer. There's no question again. I always take drug tests. If you if you were just dropped, you know from another planet onto onto your sofa today to watch this basketball game. And this is the first time you saw any of these guys play you would think Robert Williams was a far superior basketball player to Tristan Thompson and Daniel theis just tonight in terms of his activity his athleticism. He was all over the place. He was unbelievable. Yeah, that's a long-winded way of saying that he had a good game tonight. I mean, of course, I think that's why he was in the game is because he was he was performing, you know to that level of of a level that a lot of Catholics fans and it probably imagined coaches have been kind of waiting to see that sort of energy. I think you would call right? This has been the garden court hearing about you by our explorers on low birth partner BetOnline go to bed online promo code for 50% off your first deposit once again betonline.ag off on deposit, but online Sportsbook, do you have a complete different posting right now? That was the game right there. So, you know my captor Williamsburg at the type of game that we've all been kind of waiting to see and listen if he can play like that. I'm fine with him taking minutes from text cuz you know, and he's got some big bodies in there and if in Robert Williams has size and he's you know got young legs. You know, that's the type of performance and play that you want in that situation. Now, he's not much of an offensive option late in the game clearly, but that's why you have guys like Tatum and brown out there. That's what you want. I mean, he made the play of the game. I mean, it could have been I mean he made the steel. Yep, you know with the seller. He was all over the place at the end of these people when you guys feel about Tristan Thompson not be on the floor. I mean isn't this the guy that's supposed to be the anchor of the defense the one that's supposed to take down. You know, Big's like Turner or whoever's the opposing bags are I was surprised that I'm game and and I like Indiana was like well, wait a minute. They're not going to call timeout We're not gonna call timeout. Let's keep Rob out there get the ball to Myles Turner and that's exactly what happened in one. All Thompson happens directed to Bobby Bobby just send me the turn of graphic or no. I did it could be any text. The Thompson minutes are not great so far to start this year. It's part of its he's a long song. Tice I think that's just isn't a great combo for them and switch and wise I think he's been okay, but overall, you know too low too much isolation on offense defensively. I don't think he's been amazing that wage which that John called out that they almost got nailed on on the open three up at the top. I think it was the second the last possession he bought that one pretty bad Thompson minutes haven't been great to start the year and you know, we mentioned the turn of blockage away on him inside. So he's limited right now. It feels like he's not a hundred percent back from that injury. So we'll more Williams little less him. I'm just stunned the tightest gets 14 minutes out of those three there. I met this is the best center on the roster a year ago. Are you could argue the Tyson's in Thompson's Lane last year among the overall centers in the NBA and he certainly had more institutional value to the Celtic for their defense. And the cohesion with the other guys. I'm just like well, why is he third on the leaderboard right now? I know that a great name you ride that wave, but I sent you got the reality Bobby is we got a little too high on tice last year's. And the reality is this is who he is on most teams. Okay, it worked for what the Celtics needed last year with the line up that they were playing with the defense with the three wing line up a lot of length, you know, the way that that worked out there they were able to make up for it other places. It doesn't work as well here. And so again they were able to get away with a non-traditional Center playing Center home and able to be okay because they were so switchable and they could do so many different things on defense there and they can't do it as well this year. And the reality is theis is a jake. He's how much how much is chemically a part of that job? Because let's think about it. I mean if campers out there I think he's much more of a little more effective or at least you would see him more often. Yeah, I agree to the fact that Stephen sort of came in here and trying to figure this thing out as big as I also think that Tristan Thompson he wants to get more adjusted to the office and the same thing goes Rob Williams and Robin Williams, of course, you know in training camp talking about he's more vocal. He's a leader in the front call log. So I think all of that is relative. I think he wants to get him more reps early on but I also think that he's sort you'll see more Tice when chemicals back into the fold. I think there's a lot to be I think here's a here's name. This is my this is my problem with the turn with the Turner Tristan Thompson's side not problem. My thought with the Tristan Thompson's signing was he it'll be game-specific matchup specific. They'll need to replace Seventeen eighteen minutes. He's going to be a 6 and five guy he's not going to be a guy who's like a 25-30 minute anchor in there. All of these guys are interchangeable parts. Just based on who's playing. Well like tonight was Williams or what the game needs based on matchups. But Jimmy, go ahead you wanted to get going. I just wanted one little one thing that you guys had in mentioned. I think the real reason Tysons minutes are at five-fifteen take a look at Grant Williams minutes tonight 22. I mean, that's a player that you want if you want to make a case for thys playing over anybody tonight. It's not Rob Williams, it's Grant Williams now he's dead. And that to me was an interesting thing is because I didn't think Grant Williams had a particularly great night. I mean, I don't think he's here. So he's kind of typically the rent right? I mean Typical Gamer Williams night where I mean, he may he did a little bit of a little bit out there and I forget who it was that blue by him in the closing seconds that oh was so bonus Blu-ray bonnyman Forest wage claims to you know, commit to foul, you know, if tax is going to be in the game and to be honest, he gives you better offense than Grand Theft. So if you're rolling with Rob Williams, I wouldn't mind seeing Tyson there with Rob Williams and put in place for granted. I know I'll be mentioned it that that that too big lineup has been brutal. Yeah, like I just had those are these are two different Role Models because maybe well not you've had your right Jimmy. They've played teams that because Durant playing the four with traditional five in in what's his name Jordan? Yeah, and and then and then this and then Milwaukee's also big with Yiannis playing, you know in there as well, and Lopez actually these first three games play because they're fours are so big 6:10, six eleven guys used traditional centers, each of these three teams presents a a situation where it's hard to go small against them and maybe God you got tons the two big lineup last past this Indiana game. I will see my past Indiana game. Yeah, and apparently that's the Naismith thing to her Nesmith that you mentioned that before the game as well as you Brad mentioned that before before the game that wage. They going against bigger tougher teens and that's not that's why I use not getting the minister right. Now. This all goes back to that V man problem. We talked about green we talked about theis being that fifth guy in the rotation grabbed this game heavily that fifth guy in the lineup. They can't hammer down that spot right now. It's not semi and this is the Gordon Hayward spot in the lineup that they you know, just don't have a replacement for it right now. So I am actually isn't the answer. They might not have an answer on the roster right now is a pain Pritchard you go three guards. That's a that's a possibility. There is no answer. This was why we were so you know apoplectic one word left is there's no replacing him. There's not a there's not that next guy down who's going to give you minutes that are even comparable to what he was getting you're talking about a top 50 NBA player and I mean and and it all star caliber guy and the next player down is Grant Williams or semi ojeleye who are barely roster of all players, you know, like, I'm sorry, but I mean, that's the fact These guys are low and rotation got so great. Am I Wrong this way Grant was bad barely World, maybe maybe four Championship Contender took it to you. But I know what rotation play Hearts are not Ross terrible. They they could be on the wrong. That's okay patient players. Okay, I mean usually is not a rotation player on a on a on a continuous friend. So if you talk in you want you want defense and the rotation there the side Grant struggling that aspect right now, maybe Place send me a little bit more but granted we're all in agreement that his are a little too high right now. I guess the fascination with him is the secondary passing out of the sidelines. I think that's been fantastic from him. He hits a three way, but if we look at the final score 108 107 back to the free throw line after that offensive rebound and miss one a critical free-throw late. So Grand was probably the worst Celtic tonight him or Jeff Teague. I mean jephte just eight nine free throws in the bonus there and the Thursday Studies over six over also another nothing night from him. They're just searching on that Wing position for who can be that fifth guy and no one stepping up right now. I don't belong trying with Grant. I mean, he's trying a little too hard but I mean if you look at the skill set and you compare it to the other options that Brad has when you do the same, I mean, you know friends of skill said, he's the only one out of those three guys that you just mentioned that you can score and at least a couple of kind of he's not going to put the ball on the floor. But I mean, he has a little more versatility compact Javonte Green Craft effort or attempt he tried with so ugly. But yeah 244 decent night's utilities people that Florida right Bobby like it was a big bowl and oh, yeah, but again offense not the issue today for him either 244 defensively was a mess you talk about the sabonis play when guards get on to him he gets torched. It's it's not good right now cuz that's the problem. He's no matter what he's he's not big enough strong enough to hang with Biggs when he's playing in that four or five position. So he's going to get bullied there and he's not quick enough to stay with them. I mean, he's just no matter what it's almost always whoever he's guarding is a mismatch. It's he's just he's really ill. You know, there's there's no home for him, you know, he has to be able to do again. We asked we were talking about in the text thread. What's his plus skill. 3.2. Now that's a student. I mean he has been a very efficient three-point shooter cuz it's very tough player. Yeah, he does a little bit of everything. That's a little a little bit of everything below league-average. He does a little bit of a little faith baby doses of a little bit. He's you know more average at almost everything but not terrible fine. He's okay, but wow. You know gives you thirty minutes tonight against the Pacers if you had them Myles Turner. And we're not talking about Rob. We're not talking about Grant Williams if if Myles Turner is on the Celtics, right? So, how about Dougie buckets? I was more into mcbuckets you make but I'll take a boat took advantage. Let's say that's okay stand to even discuss was Dougie mcbuckets in round one. Okay with this is round one of the Turner Club. So basically this debate we're going to be having all year, right? Yeah. It's it's going to be the the Turner mcbuckets versus Thompson and the tpe. That's right going to be new. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's that's the WWE. That's the tag team match up. We're going to be running it all year long that's like two days is perfect partner in mcbuckets round one versus Thompson the tpe who's the winner? That's the difficulty of the round one goes to turn. And makes buckets by far not even close. I think of it like this Turner. And and mcbuckets 26 points 8 rebounds three assist 3 steals five blocks by Turner. By the way, Elite shop Locker has been for a few years. Let's be real because we give we gave him a hard time here. Okay, Turner Turner Turner has no semblance of an offensive game. Yeah. He looks drunk to start the game. And it's three point shot is his his the the release on it is different every single time. He takes it it's like me golfing, you know, like Hank and then change it every single time, you know, like a constant changing my swing his jumper looked different every time he took it, you know, like he's that's a weird ugly looking shot big moon ball, you know, he's better he better in the block off much better range of what you had when you have sabonis on your team that I mean, you're not getting a little touched anymore. That's how the winboard is that polish, you know, like he's never had no, my point is my point when you have a weapon like that. Yep. Getting more touches any more like that's it. Like you have an established score. So, you know, it's tougher friendly get his touches. Yeah. He had such as he just jacks him away with threes the problem with the three two, he can't wait to shoe he's back there as soon as it touches his hand. It's gone. Like he really wants to know that's what Brad like Stephen but not good enough that he wants to his percentage is up slightly last year, but he's still not he still doesn't hit a good enough clip to be the ball's in his hands align. It would be here as well. And it's a 06 game from him. He doesn't run the offense Gray from the hypospray. I still think the reason this trade doesn't work is because a player like him excellent shot-blocker. We have a five-block game and 8:00 p.m. Yeah, but you paying eighteen million for a shop Walker. Williams when you had the possibility of blocks in his in his blocks per game went down. Yeah, like I just I just don't think it's worth it. They get flexibility from not trading Hayworth. And not a day before because 845 is averaging six blocks coming in is 5:00 sounds fun. You know, I've been we were watching Celtics for years and we just never seen nothing like that with the closest thing is what kg, you know, this is why we got teams just because it's like wait is that anyhow, we haven't seen these guys are so long like, you know job loss and knock down three points or I can just come in and tell it let's imagine this game if the trade happen Shawn Williams could have been that guy Gordon Hayward score, you know, 25 to 28 for the Pacers and I lived in a corresponding in my alternator is Jack and threes on the Celtics. I'd we'd be losing our minds would be having the Miles Turner. Oh my god. Did they get screwed over in this try trading? Everybody gets to do whatever they want here. And it's okay in the bottom, right? That's what we're going to be. Just do do what you want an office job. If you want, it's what makes you confident you want that, you know, you're talking about you to do that. Let's do it. This is the problem with this right now. We're getting all the games out of the way early and there's no TP arrival until later in the season. Thursday is going to be hard to just so hard debate to have and talks and talks about right either. So It's Tricky right now. But this is a Pacers team that's been honing themselves for you know, a couple of years now at this group TJ, Warren still looks like his Bobo self. I thought he was fantastic tonight. That's a good team. I don't agree with Jimmy that they were beat boss in December game series, but their playoff team some people didn't have them in the play-offs. Let's ask everybody. I'll ask Jimmy first cuz I know I mean I know the answer but I mean the question before the season was where do the Celtics kind of slot in and again all of the caveats, you know and disclaimers ahead of time. It's three games things change. We're not judging the team based off of a three-game performance, but just looking at this team and its roster and looking at other teams birth. You think they slot in and there's a lot of NBA experts that still have the Celtics in that upper echelon, bubble, you know of the one to not one too, but I mean it felt like it was a nice were no really no lower than three in most people's estimation. And for us I was thinking more in the middle of the pack closer to teams like Indiana so Jimmy, I'll start with you. I mean, is there a huge difference between these two teams Grant it's a one-point game tonight? No, Oladipo. No Kemba Walker call that a wash I guess but I mean, what do you think? No, absolutely and I got I got back to comments by saying, you know, I didn't I had him right there, but I said I was like, I think Andy's rosters better than the Celtics roster right now. I like coach too. I like the I got bashed but I think now you know, like I said, we're only a few games and but if you're still sitting there and thinking the Celtics are interested in the Pacers are at 7 seed I gave birth. Add news for you buddy, because it's not that you're not that far off from the Pacers right now. This would be a coin flip seven-game series and it wouldn't shock me at the Celtics would beat them for you know in five games or whatever. I mean, it's absolutely possible, but you wouldn't with confidence say oh, yeah. They got this. It's a this is a good enough team to absolutely give the Celtics trouble. I mean this felt like a pretty balanced game so my favorites and they lost I feel like the Celtics fans who don't think that this any any pages are anywhere near the Celtics are the same ones that have the southern slot at number 3 in the boss know. Let's be real guys. That's not the case now before the season started and it certainly isn't now I put this up as a V and I think Indy is probably six there right there. So I don't understand where this Gap is coming from or maybe this before this game, but if you're still feel that way after what you saw, I mean tell you because Indiana Pacers they want they did it again without all Depot who has a lot to prove that the last season and two they were dead. But comfortable I mean it sounds really has a fiber attacks on 39 third-quarter points. They gonna run right before the fourth quarter. This thing could have been out before, you know before giving out to to Midway through the fourth Port Saint Louis. So this for fighting I do I give him credit for that but in the end of cases, they're not that far off 60 points in the paint for Indiana. They're going to get they're going to get over Depot back to for the next game. So there's a 39 with Paulo dybala. No sleep on Brogden. Okay, 16 second-half points and he made it look easy marks or went down. That's what I want to go back to the conversation. We were having in the off-season at Feels Like Everything centered on Turner as the only option because that's what the reports were late button earlier in the offseason when they were talking about Oladipo, theoretically for a Hayward trade and everyone's like, I don't know redundancy with Campbell. Like are we kidding? You think the Celtics wouldn't have been better with Victor Oladipo on this team. I'm just I'm birth. Told by the thinking that people were going through here. It's like like you had the luxury of picking which like really good player. You had a night though, huh? Is he out there tonight? I mean God, that's true too, but it wasn't it wasn't Kemba 4od. Do you know and they forget if we're being honest about it didn't see with 10 Ben Oladipo, but again good players are good players, you get them wherever you can get them. The the problem with the Celtics is not enough Talent on the team beyond the the first few players on the team the first three four or five guys. I mean, there's just not enough Talent right. Now you're digging deep you got pictured flame 20-plus minutes every game right now because he's just in in pure talent. He might be the fifth most talented player on the team at this moment. Yeah life is tricky. I I don't think might be right. Yeah. I don't I don't think a deal with it got down there without turning like you'd like You know, it's just about the fact that Celtics fans were like, well, we don't know if you really want him by the way. I don't want him selfish. You're going to have to treat camera the same way that patients are treating Oladipo. He's going to play, you know, he's not dead back-to-backs, you know, there's going to when Kemba Walker comes back, he's not just going to keep coming back full force. Like he's going to have to take games off to I mean John invented the difference here the structural damage with or debojyoti struggling to get back from two years going now and cabbage just feels like more of a management thing. I'd rather I am totally disagree. I think Kemba in fact structural with Oladipo and he hasn't regained his full athletic form of Campus is degenerative and will continue to get worse over time. It might be managed to the point that you don't see the drop off instantly, but I'm extremely worried about Kemba being this is Arthur's this does not get better. Okay, and they're doing Hail Mary treatments now, I think they'll get him back on the court, but I think I don't know that we'll see we'll see but it again this is the type of birth. Where it doesn't get better, you're hoping you can just stop time. They talking about two guys in that position with the Hayward. I thought all I'm saying is we're just speaking to the talent level in the office right now. Clearly. This is what we're looking at is you're looking for that line up and and and once you get past jail and Jason and and and Marcus, I don't know who you want on the court. No, it's a bad but that they got the flexibility and they got to make a move down the line. You know, neither one was good enough to say yes. I mean, they have flexibility to make moves down the line. They gotta do it and they gotta do it right here, but we're not judging this trade off today where Thompson's fairly healthy coming back and the faces are who they're you know, why the we hear it all this talk about the Pacers over the offseason because they would be the perfect team right now with Gordon Hayward, it would solve all of their problems and they really need to get it done and they did it and that kind of stuck is a roster right now because of the fact that they can get it done. I mean you look at this roster right now with Turner gone and Hawarden who's scoring twenty-eight points in Charlotte right now. I mean, they'd be a top-half East team. So all that noise was coming from the Indiana side, but they need to get this done box. Then it was like, you know Bodie post. Grey Turner's. Great Doug McDermott. Is he solving all the we're talking about defensive issues and boss and not offensive issues. So I'm just sick of hearing about All these Doug McDermott start up anything right now. He's an offensive shooter. You don't give you any asking right now on this team what he start. Probably not. Yes in this lineup tonight. Yes, he would have especially cuz the size. Yeah, I think so size and the ability to score the more think of money off. I feel like the more I think about it or is more the more as time goes on with TJ Warren a breaking point of that trade talks cuz I hate to see Damien just just go before I want TJ and they really know them and you just a good piece out all those guys Oladipo is broken. Turner's not good doesn't make you alignment get this gut-wrenching feeling bad, but he just got upset that he did he was getting TJ Warren so you know what no trade and maybe maybe it doesn't do we still have time to figure things. But right now the next couple of weeks you have to wait to see right now is just to see how other teams are going to pan out and hope that you know, some players come become available. They can address at least the waitresses. Yeah. Maybe they could go get a McDermott type. I believe I mean McDermott's a good shooter and that's it. And he makes five million bucks bad defensively as people say he's fine. He's not a star what we're saying is right. Now this team has no offense. Okay, Beyond, you know, you know the guys that right? Yeah, it would have been great to get Warren and McDermott, but that truck wasn't there and it seems like we weren't resolved a table like this all just goes back to turn or did you want Turner the Celtics say no and there's no deal there to be had. Oh Depot, you can maybe second-guess that one but I'm just still imagining this world tonight where haywards on the Pacers & Turner's on the Celtics and it probably could have gone worse than when we saw tonight. The Way Hayward probably would have been on a walk-in. Do you see what he was doing in India in Charlotte? I'm and he would have been fitted on Super Bowl for Boston. I mean what is trying to really add that you don't have right now like the center bulb? It's been fine for them a story. But anyways, we can't go down this road. I'll know we're going to do it and then we're going to do it again when I always liked the last thing I'll say about it right off. I always say whenever we first started this conversation, right? It's not I feel like Bobby your focus more on the players their talent and their contracts not more about that as more about what they do and what the Celtics I need right now. No, yeah, it won't put them way up the top or whatever the food chain, but it'll could really push this thing along quicker than we're seeing right? I know it's not really but the same time it's just you watch those two guys tonight and it's like again what I said is like they could have been on the Celtics, you know, or maybe if it was one player away from from getting done and maybe that would would would answer some of these problems right now for this other short-term problems. Alyssa know a Depot Turner's not short-term cuz he signed through 2023 and that matters guy. But yeah, okay, I'd give you all a Depo became a star upside there and meet you flip and damaged our for damage star maybe something works out there. It's a one-year deal the thing any bad combination between Oladipo drinking McDermott turn off two of the three. I'll take I don't know. I wouldn't have a guy like Karen whose values definitely shaky around the league that twenty-three thing really did matter if you're carrying around 18 million bucks in tax this year to four miles turn. It just wouldn't have been good team management. Like we talked about Danny Wang Hayward go for nothing being bad management would have been even worse pay for Turner have that stuck on the books for three years and be in the tax for Myles Turner. Like are we seriously talking about turning being a Difference Maker in this team being, you know, maybe a 4 or 3 seed. He's not getting the Back In Contention that's off. And you're just the issue is you don't just trade for anybody just because and start paying you gotta be a contender and Miles turned our legs under wage. When will they be with a tpe? Do they have any steps to get better? Do they have draft positions to get better the Celtics. The reality is the Celtics have very few jobs Avenues to get better very few right now. The screen is not that Avenue. The tpe is a couple of guys who are going to be quality rotation players at Best or not used at all. Okay, that's it. There's no I think of Miami to do after that. That's the point is in a different world that makes sense when you're hoarding assets and you're like we can move things later and they're gone. There's nothing left. There's no path anymore. So you have to log Some swings and and see if you hit or else except this which is picking in the middle to the late now picking in the twenties in the draft with Nesmith and Romeo and Rob Williams and Grant Williams and a t p e as as what you have backing up your stars. That's not a great. So if we go the other way, you have Turner who's negative value put you in the tax probably not a trade asset 18 18 million dollars for three years who's going to get that? Why are you making a style? Like he's freaking Bennet or like like a third season or something? She's like look at what he did. He get it. He's three for ten. He's an okay rebounder. He's a great shot-blocker and he makes 18 million for three years. And then you talk about McDermott a guy in a one-year $5000000 daily log. Help your bench a little bit right now. But we're we're talking about with the Celtics. Yes, I'll take a rental and what they ended up doing. They have Thompson who I still thinks going to be a great piece and a tpe that allows you to trade for anybody with bio flexibility. We got some I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to bump around here. She's going to be a war all you want. I don't think Turner and McDermott wage earner McDermott. Don't make you a contender. Neither does the tpe losing Gordon for for not not able to swing a good trade for Gordon and then not having Gordon was the killer not turning down that trade. I don't know that that's that's the big Difference Maker for the team. So in the we'll debate it. That's actually not really let me get you to me on this one more time. Yeah. Gimme you rather have Turner Thompson. All things being equal or or or what? Well, no, it's one of the other you couldn't get Thompson If You Got Talented so it really sucks is one of the other here so yeah, probably still take Turner. I'm not going to I mean, I haven't seen it enough from either got to change my original opinion. And again, I like Thompson, but I think Turner has more upside. That's really what it comes down to money. You don't you think that Turner's just need the million dollar shot blocker. I think that he's the guy that and again what we said was that you're only going based on Turner's past. You're not you're not accounting for the fact that may Stevens can turn him into something more. I mean isn't that half the reason why the Celtics brought Brad Stevens on as a coach so that he can like take these players and make them better. Is that still a thing to present you just give up doing or not? Because if he is then you can't just take Turner for what he is you have to assume that he can improve in three-point shooting in his passing or you know, he's already in a lead shot blocker solid Defender. So I mean, I don't know. I mean I still it was something maybe maybe past the point of turning into something else. This might be he is a good like help side Defender weak-side shot-blocker and unless that three-pointer all of a sudden gets my against much better than just. Yeah. I like we've gone back to that. That's why I'm that's why I'm bringing up like Anthony Bennett like, you know, these big men bus that were like in year three and people like we're not quite sure, you know, making em do make it sound like he's a bust the contract the years all that stuff matters when you're building the team all things being equal if you're just taking them in the contract in matter and all that stuff sure, but you know, he's got a pretty big deal here and that ended up mattering it and that's the reason they didn't do it. So uncheck worst case scenario that contract does expire before you need to re-sign Tatum or brown. It's not like oh great job. The end of this whole window they'll be off of it and twenty years. I mean, I'm just saying he's not going to hinder your re-signing of anybody that you right. Now. Are you freaking hilarious when we use the tpe to get turner? Oh, no way last thing on terror and then I'll be taking Jimmy's point. He played from Gregg Popovich with a with the celebration with the same thing. I'm going to keep let's do this. Let's do this. What's your favorite? I know it's sort of like a long shot but favorite tpe option. I know it's early here. But Bob you have done this often. Everyone wants Aaron Gordon, but we'll never get him the magic or better than we're giving him credit for and they're not going to trade him for nothing when you're not going to trade them because they don't have tradable assets wage. Damn. You shut that down. They don't have anything Jimmy's right? You don't Orlando has the tank tank tank. It's a ram like a little blinking. Just tell them the TP. He gets you again. It's just people just think you wave this magic wand the TP gets you other people's garbage that they don't want to pay anymore and they'd rather take that that exception off. Are you roll it up with an asset or two to get something better? The problem is they don't have anything to attach to it. I was hoping Orlando was a unique situation. I don't think so. Not Flash Gordon. Why would they do that? What they flipped the script? If you're Orlando would you do that? I mean unless you know going on behind the scenes at the only thing to think of how long it really like you're more likely more likely to get boosted it really I think they have more I think they pick him over Gordon. You don't think so. They won't boot to back and he's out of town like that. But that's what I thought maybe God, you know Gordon to say the thing on Gordon's going to be does he keep this hot start rolling. He's on fire door start this year that teams three and I know he's had em, Starts before that have disappeared. This is Gordon with the managing my backyard. Sorry. Yeah, so they get is Joe sway said I kind of imagined that team falling off a home too. But their coaches great their defense is awesome. They might make the playoffs. So are they selling Gordon in that case, maybe so the three and O and they've looked outstanding so we'll see they've gone off it starts before and falling apart. But gourry in front of my guys. I've watched the Spurs to DeRozan is on that kind of money and if you can ship out some expiring assets that way you stay on life attacks and LaMarcus aldrige as well. That's first name is going to be at least that's first teams going to be bad and they're entering that rebuilding mode. So I keep an eye on the rose in our Aldrich out there with those are great players if they're coming off their bench their families have players. It's like to I said Aragorn used the rose and that's like 10 notches, like obviously, I don't think that's you know, but I'm with you I dead. I guess I'm sure yeah, I mean if those guys but again, I don't know who the Spurs are looking at your roster saying, okay, so doesn't expire you could feasibly get him for free choice like almost free cuz he's not going to stay in. They don't want to keep them there frankly unless they bring them back on very cheap. So that's a guy but the rosens multiple years. They probably want to get a little more back for him. But not if you're not if y'all have a lot to offer and you're playing this too big lineup that they are right now. I mean, that's my new guy that I'm keyed in on other Eric. Gordon is looking pretty good and magical looking pretty good with them. You'll see them everything so early could the Spurs be a surprise team. They were last year. I could the magic make the playoffs again. They've done in a couple of years in a row. A lot of weird things going on is Terry Rozier the best player in the NBA off. All right. So predictions haven't gone my way. The Nets will not be going 20 in oh, Georgia. Are they still the best team in Hayward? I gotta watch that game. I'm hoping to me and he repeats it tomorrow. Yeah, we'll take a good one rose your 1928. That's the 19th birthday party down there. Who else was Celtics lose and and prosper elsewhere. I guess we'll find out over the trade for the story like that broke down in Oklahoma off the win earlier this year and upset. He was he was born out there want to know that's about it. I mean, let's go get a hot streak. I think I'll had a game Rizzoli statline off games ago 13 rebounds. I was like three. Yeah, they won that game against the Hornets they want to know so yeah Garden report is brought to you by Legends looking for a great holiday gift of your husband boyfriend's son looking for new brands. Well try the Legends brand one of the best Brands out there for men's athletic apparel based in Los Angeles. 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Well, Jeff teague's been struggling mightily zero shot makes in the last two games comes out and has five straight shots to start this game drilling d3s Hitting off the catch dumps in the lane assisting to the big man. It kind of gets in there under the big trees and dishes a little dumpster Rob and others down they're dead. To be a backup point guard and it's looking like right now. And you sound excited that's not good for any length including to his like these aren't good signs of a contending team because you know, we don't know if this is going to bridge the gap enough for Cambodia that Gap. You know, what though? I'll save me a reason we expect but here's the thing. You gotta pay. Maybe it takes Jeff Teague got a you guys got so excited about Jeff Teague opening night guys who guys who are drafted where Pritchard is drafted where Robert Williams was drafted. You're lucky if they're still in the league in a few years. Okay, the the bus rate is very high there. So to get a serviceable pro at that point in the draft is a massive Victory and Richard is actually a viable backup point guard in the NBA. That's a that's a home run at that point in the draft. Even if Williams Williams tonight played one of his best all Around games in a bit but if Williams is able to give you 15 to 20 minutes as a backup big and you're not terrified to leave them on the court in certain situations. Like they were during the playoffs last year. That's also a huge win. You know, those guys aren't putting over the hump, but you need to hit with some of those so it's good to have those guys too. It's just relying on information Pritchard. This is the second time in three nights. He's led the bench in minutes long. That's kind of scary. He went the team and plus minus tonight. So like, you know, it's twice and three games. He's played more than he's played more minutes than anybody on the bench and we keep hearing about this tough competition. They played he's stacking up against the Indiana has got a good bench. Brooklyn's benches outstanding. He didn't play as well. As I said is that speak this the answer is probably both but does that speak to how well Pritchards been playing or how how desperate team is for viable? NBA caliber bodies and Jimmy. He's looking great. How dead He's looked like he belongs to the NBA's the first preseason game. We were basically like wow, it looks like this guy's kind of a gamer. Like they may have actually have someone here Celtics did reach a little bit for him because they knew they were going away their 30th pick. So they knew that they wanted to take them a few spots maybe earlier than what a lot of people expect were they expecting him to go. So, I mean, I like the fact that they may have something there should be an end of rotation guy or a middle of you know, unless they didn't have a great game. But this is like the this is like you're a trustee business like, oh my God awful and how many times we've been through this like, why am I? Why am I apologizing for Jeff Teague? How is he moving the needle You really think they're going to score twenty points tomorrow night or next game. Like, you know, he's he's established sport Pritchard to jurong point all these minutes. We took that means for next game Barbie you try not to do much or is going to do less. You know, it's it's it's going to fluctuate. All right, if the young player I just look I'm not saying Pritchard playing. Well, this early is a bad thing. I'm okay. It's great. Yeah, it's good. You got to service a serviceable backup. But where are we talking in the grand scheme of things, you know, I mean in the meantime dad's good but you know again just teasing to bounce back. So we'll see how that goes in the second unit goes off, but it's just like to go like, oh man pressure plate great. It's like yeah, he played well, but is this where this this is what you thought the cells would be that you'd be excited at the game three that the rookie that was dragging me around went off knew where they did cameras out the branches young the leaders of the team are still getting used to their roles and Tatum Brown both like high-level facilitators, and then that first house dog, So the activating energy which is why didn t i I think the Celtics are in a pretty bad position right now in terms of their roster and they're handling it well against tough teams. So wanted to it's not your life will start but there's a ton of Great Signs right now on this team to be able to get by like, you know, I think overall through three games. Is it above your expectations of blow your expectations? It's a little above mine around my expectation surrounding it. Honestly there were you know, if they're lucky they're lucky to have shot away from being Owen 3 to start this year. So I mean your your perspective might be a little bit more completely dead got shot doesn't go down that shot again. Not not not to go over that all over again. But I mean real quick one more guy here because Joseph he goes just way what are they going to talk about a problem with you guys to talk about in Prichard. Just one of them to my point you guys purchase like the fourth best player on the team, this is April. I said from a talent perspective right now at home. Scary that printer. Yes, Jimmy you can speak. No. I'm just that's what John is saying all offseason when Celtics fans were like or excited for you know, all this guy and that died at Birth. We just like delusional here or we just not seeing the roster that we're all seeing cuz we said the whole thing like they're going to have trouble scoring based on the fact that kemba's out and now we know he is like you're gonna have a ton of scoring thank God Pritchard is somewhat capable player cuz I don't know who the hell would be playing those minutes. It wasn't for him. I mean would really be going deep into the the rotate them with the depth of that lie number and everything. We're talking about tonight goes back to Nesmith. He's got to get out there soon. I just get out there. They need to be able to get him in the action start integrating him. They they need them at some point. That's your 14 panel think I don't think that's a move. I don't I think you have to play a little tough love here, you know guys like send me if your breasts even I don't think it's a great job. The way Seventeen playing at least the first couple of games. He didn't do let's say it's very simple. Look at Brad would just say you know, what? Yeah, you've been playing good you've been here for the last three years screw. It doesn't matter if you win you get off Bobby's right? He's giving you to solid out of three games compared to Nesmith. He hasn't seen the floor. Yeah even know where you're going with semi, you gotta get em, I said this before the season started Romeo's hurt. But ultimately the guys who you're going to need to be to get to that level are going to be Romeo and Nesmith because of the only with you, I think you get Nesmith home eventually and soon quickly, but I don't know if you just throw them in their game for give them give them everyday minutes, I think and still kind of early, you know, well, what worries me right now is that brown later. We're doing a fantastic job to facilitate five assists Forte terminate. His turnovers are still high, but Brown has been way better than expected in that area and they're both getting killed by guys messing open threes off of them. Grant highest send me like they need a guy who can catch-and-shoot off them and he smells fits the bill and there's not defending. Well anyway, the other options have them less than the league in defense thought I was working for me to get the page but it look good. That's true. I was with you Joe sway if the defense was forward in practice, if his conditionings not they're all that stuff. They're valid excuses for not throwing them out there with what we found out there. What do you want to play 20 plus like what do you mean? You just say, I just want to see him get in the game and okay now to start it's really is Bobby said I'd like to see him get out there but not the first time I'm giving garbage. I want something legit, you know and facilitators. He said exactly right Tatum and brown are penetrating kicking. You do want to see them kick it to somebody who can goes down and that's all she does. She's a professional shooter. I thought you trying to put him in the rotation like for good. No. No, he's just going to get out there and I'd like to see him. I'd like to see him guaranteed ten twelve minutes a game right now dead. Awesome. The only way to get is to get your reps in just print out shooter shooter. They drafted him for that reason to play on Thursday is the space before and you know, what you listen to Brad and and what he's talking about right now. He says we're too clogged up. Well, you're starting to big men like everything they're doing right now would be aided by Nissa and yeah, it's tough to find a man in every role that you have come down. I haven't seen what every rookie up and down the the board has done but I feel like home several of them up until we're Nesmith was drafted in and around him are getting minutes consistently even like Precious for example on it on a deep heat timer 16 minutes a game, you know, that's you know, it's for him to get zero is mean something's wrong with him right now. And again, it could be conditioning. It could be defense, but to me that's dead. Dog House material like you have to you have to be doing something really wrong. If you do something bad in practice really work too well and not even to be a consideration to get into the game on a team that is Talon fishing right now that you say that word has like either he doesn't get it at all or he came in so not ready to play NBA basketball that Brad's just like forget about this guy right now, you know that he's not even close and that or he's so overwhelmed the games too fast. I don't know what it is, but the fact that he can't sniff the court is concerning. I think it's a little bit of everything John. I don't think it's it's it's the competition as well. Like he's not put him in Christmas Day against Brooklyn garbage time you did or do you feel sorry about the pace is a tough matchup. Brad said, yeah, that's very sad and that might be an acquaintance or near Cleveland you have Cleveland coming up, you know, you have other teams that are or Chicago or no job. Detroit, you know teams that he can get more reps in but I just think he's sort of getting been gradually and I think it could be a testament to what he said before the before the season even started the preseason when he's like man this guy might even see the Florida like he's not there at all. I mean, we don't know if that was either a little bit of health-related or it was because he's just not up to speed with the offense and in the ways others are doing things. So I'm looking up and down the draft boards on right now. Most of the impact guys so far went above Nesmith. You have your precious you have Desmond Bane who's been playing? Okay. Theo megalodons that second round guy who's been guess what about siddiq? Sadik not really goes. Okay. Yeah, not much from him so far. So, I mean you're honestly if we're talking + 14 paint Richards been the best. If not the second best late-round guy out of all the time so far Desmond. Banthia Mela. The only guys that compare so the pixel case so far in the early returns precious if you wanted a big man, maybe going that direction, but Rob looks good right now wage. They just going to get him out there somehow is it is it the conditioning? Is it the play calls? I mean Brad said he was throwing up. What is the new first standing right? You know, it's like why I watch probably not cuz he went to Vanderbilt but I would just like you just showed up and just like basketball other than this thing over backwards to try to find a reason that may not be ready. Everyone here is really good, but we can only like quite a bit of conference. We're only going to put him in against bad thoughts know like that's not how it works. I just put it in like you drop something you obviously like what he can offer you so like put them in the game don't wait until you're playing the Chicago Bulls or things like I sort of I sort of choice Brad's like opinion on this, you know, what the what the first round Ricky who he's only spent a couple of a few weeks with he's not going to open him. All right, Brett. I'll take a word for that. You know, I don't know. Why are we going to leave off? And out of three games this way. It's concerning that that's the right right right read. I guess the biggest on like like rats crazy for not putting a job if there's absolutely every reason for him not to be playing. It's just bad news that he's not that he can't get in here with these guys. Yeah. Hey, this is not the Lakers like you need you need role players right now more than anything and this guy can't even sniff the cord for 30 seconds. Yeah. We we set it last game when things start going rough. I mean the one or two now, that's not your rough, but they'll go to them in time when they really need a break glass and find a rotation guy to help them out and start to break-up these Iowa City because we're on agreement. Is that too big man thing going to work like me to start a game and go 8 minutes, but it's really just been a disaster so far with - 14 coming into tonight. It doesn't play a lot of minutes. It doesn't set much of a tone and into your transition dead. And says we've mentioned damaged. It doesn't feel like Tyce plays as much as he could out of that. So I don't know how long they're going to stick with that. I don't know. I don't know. We'll see I am curious to you know, there's there's going to be teams doing loads load management Celtics have a back-to-back coming up with a Tuesday with Anna and then home for Memphis. I'm wondering if some guys are going to sit one of these games. So take a little bit know they're not running those guys forty plus minutes that took those could be guys to get rest Thompson is probably do arrest and one of those two games so here right good thing again minutes and you're not allowed us guys anymore. Right? Well games this can always have a store band for national televised games you had to like get something like that. That's pretty unfair to like good teams that are on National t a lot more than like shity teams. It's a wild when you're cramming games here to begin with your playing back-to-back. You're playing every other day in most cases. I just like the NBA's I think like they're they're talking out of both sides of their mouth feels. Well, you know what they did they did some good pets on the back for the players and the bubble and now they gotta make their money back. So you're going out there with your showing on National T. You're traveling. There's no bubble this year. Like it's everything we saw in the bubble in terms of Goodwill is just the other way now cuz they gotta pay those bills off. I know where they don't real quick Tatum on his last shot takes full responsibility for poor final play that was on me that he you know, bad decisions a good shot. Okay, I know. I should have put more pressure on the defense and this is a game. It's a game. They they kind of needed. You know, you're going to see over Depot on Tuesday. And then that back-to-back. You don't want to start one and four here as a possibly current they need like we talked about on opening night against the Bucks every chance. You have to get a win here. Well, they're going through rough early in the year. You gotta scrap that out and forget Nesmith forget these rotation. They were in control in that first half. They through this game away with the most horrid turnovers. You can imagine T stepping out of bounds on the sidelines, wait and transition Pritchard lining up out of bounds on a couch and shoot three. I've never seen anything like that. The turnovers are just ridiculous tonight. And this is the story of this team. There are fences good. There are fences. Okay, if you undermine that with turnovers not only is your defense going to be even worse than it probably looks but your offense is just going to be completely under 18. Okay, their defense has been terrible. Yeah, and he's you're giving up turn over to a team that wants to run. Like the spacers. I was smart. Look to you guys for three games. I thought it was very good tonight. Thought it was tonight. I don't think he's been very good. Well game one. He took three shots. And I mean, I thought he played his role interesting and I had no issue with how we played in game one. I think he's doing what we want him to do. Yeah. Yeah. I have no issues with them. I mean again, he's he's not he's not like I wouldn't say he's stepping up if that's what you're looking for right now, but he's not hurting them. He's just kind of sort of I guess just another another player on the team that might need to take it up to make up for you know not having him but not having a deep bench. I don't think there's we thought we're going to see what I mean Bobby you're talking about him averaging eighteen. Nineteen twenty points a game this year with Kemba you guys all yelled at him for shooting so much doesn't want to do it anymore. We did we we may I really like how they looking we we imagine a team last year were Jalen steps up into home. Position and smart becomes more of an off-ball shooter and for the three games into that plan, they're actually looking pretty solid in terms of Jalen being their own ball guy and then them finding smart on the perimeter. It's gonna be tough right away for him to get volume off catch-and-shoot send them to find them consistently, but you find them eight times in this one. You had that finished down the stretch when he got off the ball the tough floater I hit two out of four threes thought this was like your perfect smart night. If you could imagine him in this new role it is it is and again, it's we're going to keep going back to it. You know, you talked about the the the the minutes here. This is what's going to be frustrating with this team right now with its lack of depth is I mean Jalen and Jason playing like low 30s mid-30s, they're not going for these W's, you know, like we saw what month did on night one when they played there three top players forty minutes apiece. Celtics are not doing that and that means 22 from 23 from Grant 23 from Prichard twenty to age. Teague crazy minutes to get the disparity in the level of talent between the guys getting 33 minutes and the guys getting 23 minutes is an enormous Gulf and that's what's happening right now is wage Brad's clearly not going to blow out his his his best players that's going to result in some L's like this, you know, and it's going to be frustrating to watch it. Yeah, and that's where weight gain and comes into play. Yeah, you have small margins things are tight game swing back and forth. You're not a team that can take control and blowing other team out. It's going to come down to those last few minutes a lot here. Do you offer for to probably need a big this one out? They had all the opportunities to forget the shot like just the turnovers in the Bosch plays down the stretch and Brody them. Yeah, the Robb you off they beat themselves in a lot of ways here. We still a winnable game. I guess. We're right back at it again on Tuesday. Go ahead Jimmy. Let's get final thoughts here and wrap it up. Well before my final thought dead. There might be one way to fix an Altima thought you got this. And then you want to find a thought there might be there might be one way to fix the offense and I was up late last night watching a little basketball game. I know Bobby was up. Like now I know Bobby was up late watching James Harden as well 44.17 assist. You may be a little overweight, but you still look like, you know, one of the most unbelievable offensive players in the NBA. Those rumors are still out there and more more games like that. I think you're going to hear a lot louder. I don't know Whispers or rumors or whatever you want to call it. Whether it's from fans or what that are going to be saying Celtics need to do something here and James Harden's available a listen Celtics traded for a kg, you know, they trade it for Kyrie Danny Ainge. We know that he's not shy or scared to to, you know do something crazy. I wouldn't I wouldn't completely rule it out. I just wouldn't mind saying I wanted to happen but I wouldn't rule it out. Let me ask you this this started dancing in my head cuz it's hard to make a deal for hard and work off automatically assumes it's Jaylen brown. But what if Harden sticks with Houston for a while because it they can't make that deal and we start getting closer to the trade deadline and Kemba comes back. It's nice and play there. I went Houston want him. Yeah. This is my this is my thing Brown's off the table. He looks too good. He's part of the core you signed long-term wage. I'm Blown Away by his Play Frankie early on here. I wouldn't look him and then all of a sudden you can't do a deal here. All right. Okay, that's the problem is really needed hurt anybody who calls Boston they want a table or brown Danny hangs up immediately, then you can't do a trade. So there's no trades. That's that's the thing is that this is where the best thing the thing Boston has of most value that they can trade is nothing. It's a it's a piece of paper wage. There's a number on it. That's the most people view God. I'm glad I lost where to start and scored a bunch of points against a bad defense in the regular season changes image. That's pretty good for him right there. So 17 years before that. I came back ribs, man. He was a wild shot. It's a beat to have a game like that as out of shape as he is. He's always done that. I mean that was such a nephew game. It was like watch I'm going to shut up. I'm going to eat a bucket of chicken wings before I frigging take the card credible and had aspect. Yeah. I'm going to leave pieces of it in my beard. So you guys can see it and then I'm going to go out there. I'm going to score 44 points and drop 17 and says, okay. I'm not going to play a lick of Defense because why pretend and I'm just going to leave that out there for you guys to talk. I'm interested though because this has been a lotta noise and you always wonder where's that come from? Like Boston's name pops up originally now, he's on his preferred destinations, which is actually shocking he wouldn't think Boston would be where hard wants to be given a Adam given the city like the situation here. Not not not the best strip club City Boston, so You know, where's that come from? Why does he want to come here? Why are the Celtics so connected like there is some smoke and noise here and I don't know who rosencrans list when it comes to its Houston Whitney don't want to coach a couple of young superstars cons. Not enough strip clubs. Good point jokes all suck stripped. Yeah. Sorry. There's nothing we could do where we gotta talk to my buddy. Hey wage Maddie I wear for when you guys to bring it up Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy read my mind you go down in front of you kid. You're right down, you know. Yeah twenty five months. Golden Banana. Hey Bobby, you know what's up a couple of them? That's that's a HomeTown he told so I've been told yeah, we we we we we used to have the combat zone as a commenter in here that might be before let's go for a lot of your guys, but now the food the food the key aspect as we know who knows. I don't know if this is no waiting at a strip club was a thing man. I don't know that's I don't know if that's the move guys I think life is that intriguing this destination for him. All right, not only that but the team like would you not trade Trae young for James Harden and that's what kind of a big thing right now known know how I would I would know cuz Young's 5-9 can't defend at all doesn't matter built around them. I think you got them for the next month. You controllable for the next seven eight years. No way by the stars under 25. You just don't do it. I think if you don't trade establish Stars you guys who might be start your trade Jalen brown two years ago. You don't trade him. Now, you know what? I mean, you know, you know with all the conversation we've had here with this is going to lead to Johnny's him staying there and you look at last night. I'm actually looks pretty fun Christian Woods awesome their playoff team out there think it makes sense to just keep them for the season and you know figure that out later trade deadline or whatever like, you know, they're pretty good team right now. I'm eventually, you know respect for another way. Wow, you look shorter. What youngest 6 1. He's kind of sitting here. I'll get six feet, right? He probably a scam besides that I think a little bit of an aisle there in Atlanta is always going to be we had Luka doncic we ended up with someone pretty good and said, you know, we gotta we gotta roll with him and try to kind of read this one out that team just doesn't blow me away with him being the centerpiece as much. I mean, he's he's name is a brilliant offensive player. He's he's Isaiah Thomas. I frankly electric to yeah, it's you know, unfortunately, he's always going to be you may always, you know, well, he won't always be he was in the trade for for Luca but I still think he was a game last year in his second year in the NBA. You know, how many people have done that in their second year in the NBA now the offensive in Richmond one and then part of this is a team. They haven't built anything around him to help mitigate his weakness in his defense as and it's like in Isaiah Thomas log. Weakness as you know, some people have said or about him I would I would think about a strongly cuz that flip out all of a sudden the bush to get from heart and they like that's that's a destination that makes sense for him in my mind. But who knows if you want to ride this out with young? What's the nineteen twenty years old? I guess it's the same reason. You're right. It would hate them and brown write it all with the teenage All-Star. Yeah, I'm twenty year old averaging 30 points a game and Illinois that stuff. Good luck. It's thought it'd be a different story. If you were trading for a well-rounded player instead of just another guy who's pure offense, but you've got Pure offense in these twenty years old versus pure offensive probably doesn't really want to be there or is it has a bunch of baggage and it's 31 years old with only one year left on his contract. I just don't even think that's a conversation Trae young. I don't know why Atlanta would ever entertain that it's a fair wage. When they get a free not improving anywhere, you're going to bring in another offensive player and a team that already has a crazy amount of offensive Talent. So so let's let's see how they pay spent a bunch of money. This this season. They added some role guys who could feasibly help them. But if they're headed for nineteen twenty wins again, like they were last year. I mean, what do you what do you doing down there? Like it's just not moving in the way. It should be at this point. Yeah. Let's let's get our final thoughts here the bottom line here. I think the what we learned after three games if anything on this team is that Tatum run aren't enough juice and this team is going to be like this kind of a middle-of-the-pack ish. Playoff-caliber team in the Eastern Conference, but this is also the type of team that I don't think they're walking into any building in the in the East save for one or two and and guaranteeing a w without it without a solid effort. Okay, they don't have enough talent to just look at the Cavs three and oh Charlotte you think they can just walk in there and beat them on any given night. Even the Knicks, you know, the Bottom Feeders here are a little bit better, which means you're going to have to work for a lot of your W-2 Celtics do not have enough Talent on his team to just walk into a building and win because the the Celtics Tatum and brown are not enough right now and you need Kemba sooner rather than later or you need other guys, you're not getting it from to develop. That's the through three-game assessment obviously things change. I do trust in Brad to maximize what he's going to get out of these guys. That's something that he is better at than anybody which is your if you looked around the league and any other team play dead. Jeff Teague Peyton Pritchard, Robert Williams and Grant Williams twenty-something minutes each and and were able to stay competitive in a game you'd be like, wow, that's quite an accomplishment and that's what brought a able to do tonight. So he's mixing and matching his best as he can but they're short they're short, right and I think you're going to see the same obviously drop a handful of games, but I don't know. I mean I'm with you John. I think that definitely in the mid Volvo playoff wise but that might not necessarily be the case in terms of how far to go through a postseason right? But I think this whole time Brad Stevens has to get through ready, you know, obviously it start incorporating Kemba when that happens February or whatever right, hopefully and then go from there, but I don't know if necessarily, you know, whether it's a t p e or whether it's a combination been Kemba like, I don't know if they're doomed you know, how long long term I know it seemed that all the car ride win used to really, you know, fight Four Winds and picked up momentum run for it or right at the trade deadline and and finish the season strong and pushed all the way to the Eastern Caribbean. I know that was the Miami Heat, you know, there were a fifth seed. There's nothing wrong being a v c for this is just a lot of ifs though. There's a lot of question marks. I'm with you John doesn't look great. But I think it's important for the Detroit another game against Indiana. We're going to maybe see a lot we're going to find out more about the team identity goes way. It was an embarrassment of riches in terms of talent for a long time. Yeah, because we got we got you know, we were like all sorts of All Star point guard, you know coming in all the new without you mean like the last couple of see everything. I mean even last year, you know you got for you just so many All-Star caliber players. I mean a couple of years later when you put the scores, right? Yeah, you know the year before that Rose Rozier with Irving and Marcus Morris and Jaylen and Jason in Hayward and Horford, I mean ridiculous amount of Talent on this team where you're just like Jesus, how do you manage these minutes? And then last year you were top-heavy seeping out you knew you had some bench but it's just it's just less and less, you know, that that's the issue. Yeah, and we'll see how this year goes for Hayward is off to a great start down there in Charlotte. You see the potential how much game he has left? He said he was in his prime. That's a reason I wanted to keep him. You know, John I thought they want to keep them to this team would be looking pretty good right now. Yeah, you'd be looking fantastic with him here right now. So we all laughed a little bit at that injury now, he's right out there beating the Nets. I mean that dead. That's that's the kind of approve at the start the year do we went over the net so I thought I thought I thought among all of the things that everyone was saying was he is not worth that to this team. He was absolutely worth whatever he got near Charlotte and and he had made that offer. Yeah, you will not with any with a trade exception or anything else you're able to do will not come close to getting a player of his talent over the course of these next couple of years because you just don't have ways to get there unless you're hit a home run in the draft somewhere which is possible, but it's not coming to you any other way and but Gordon was if if there's anything they could have done but I don't think it was money with him. He wasn't coming here. And this is this is the sport like whether it's ego whether it's a cap whether it's a like there's always something there to break up a team that looked as long as the Celtics did last year to have Hayward is your fourth option to be that offensive reloaded at the top you take advantage of that moment and to see what they have. Now when you two wins from a a a final is this top like you're really going to maximize your moment and good things. Don't last too long in this league table. Jimmy legit final vote now. Well, you guys had a lot of good thoughts I share with you. I mean I'm a bottom line is not in a wait-and-see mode. I'm not surprised by really much that I've seen over the first three games. So I'm in wait for a Kemba and see what you thought mode because that's going to be the difference in the in the you get Kemba back and he's 90% That's the biggest addition that you know, anyone in the NBA can really say that they're going to get at that point in the season. So after the Celtics need them to top heavy again just like they were last season with just a little bit less top-heavy because they lost Gordon Hayward and you gotta hope that you know Thompson and T can sort of carry whatever load the page carry and it may be a young guy can step up whether it's Rob Williams Romeo if he comes back that's pretty much where I'm at right now. That's not really going to change the next six to eight weeks. This is what it is. Yeah, that's what you Celtics lose to the Pacers. 108 107 Jayson Tatum heaves a seventeen footer wage is bad. Hey, fortunately, yeah Tatum Tatum. Yeah little hero ball didn't go his way home one and two same two teams run it back this time. Indiana will have Victor Oladipo and the Celtics will have the same exact players. They had tonight off the sidelines with no Kemba. That's it. That's what we got. We will wrap it. We will talk to you guys on Tuesday. We got games going home. All right, you forget that. Just just wait. What are you wearing? I got the white one my wife Hawthorne this stuff about it. It's he's overloaded with them. Every, Legends Legends of parallel use the code Hartford 20 month 20% off your next purchase. You get cool sweatshirts. Like what's that one called? Again? The Hawthorn hoodie Joe Joe sway is worn off or that's enough for this whole show but they're all just hoarded in this house. Looks like a snuggly little alien. They're just way like this, right? Yeah. 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Chris Judd: from football to finance

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Chris Judd: from football to finance

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My guess this week, obviously CJ5 Chris Judd two times Brownlow medallist friendship Premiership captain at the West Coast Eagles former captain at both the Eagles and Cardinals a commentator and investor. I was thinking about little little one-liners little things that we could go to get things started on the ice breaker and I was thinking what sort of being your peacock interview moment. Was it interviewing Beckham or having to sit next to purple on a regular basis. I mean purple I do enjoy people's company and he's not as good looking as bacon but there's a lot of substance there. So I'm going to go with purple a good choice. No Steven Seagal films during this this lockdown time at all. Now, what's them old classics? Actually, we watched the princess brides program with the kids the other day, which I've never seen back and watched it extensively as a as a kid, but I've never seen that and it off. Um, that's a pretty good one. Yeah. Well, what did you like about it? What was the what was the writing you'd given? I think I'd give it a seven as some lessons in there for adults and listed are for kids. So now I think it was a good in speaking of kids. Did you what did you think you were going to be growing up? I thought I was going to be a football player from how early maybe well as soon as I could remember really and that's not you know, I think most kids probably want to be there are a sports Town musician or a you know, a firefighter police something in that something in that bracket or a lot of kids. So I was there probably in the age of 16 thought it was a live possibility wage. Um and didn't spend a lot of time thinking about what would happen if that didn't work out or or what the other steps were going to be or sort of the chips were ships were all in and and from the pages. Yeah, fifteen sixteen. I was almost living as a pseudo professional athlete really with pretty focused on what I wanted to do. Where did that age? Did that sort of realization happened? Was it the Was it a half serious? It became a at that age just exposed to the National carnivals. So yeah, you know, you're from an early age you're able to rank yourself wage against the kids in your local neighborhood here. You're playing sport again. It's been probably about fifteen was the first time I would explosion it to other kids all around that the the country played football and probably you know, I felt I was in I would away the probabilities as to if a career in I felt could be a chance and and decided I thought it couldn't gain from it from there. Was there any lessons cuz I can imagine parents just in my own experience playing a high level of soccer obviously not as high as yourself, but you can sort of see if maybe there's a lot of involvement from parents. They have to buy into you know, the the regular satellite Sundays taking it a training all the other auxiliaries that come with A high level of sport. Do you still hold any sort of principle lessons from your parents like directly or indirectly from that time? Oh, I was you know, you have kids of your own you become acutely aware of how much work is involved raising kids and my parents. I was lucky enough off. What comfortable doing that without any complaining over that making me aware of how much work was involved at the time as a kid, which is, you know a nice way to grow up and that probably could try to we we my basketball career. So basketball was a game for some reason my old man just really disliked unbeknownst to me and and basketball as a as a long ten year old. I was in the the rep team which would involve driving out from you know, Sandra camber Kilsyth keilor, you know, Jalan all over the state on a Friday night, you know on a busy work week and I remember finally plucking up the courage to tell my parents. I didn't want to play basketball anymore when I was about eleven and the old man was just jumping for joy, and I remember wage Just having no idea that I actually couldn't stand basketball and I'm a nice to meet you in like driving around in peak-hour traffic on a Friday after a long week at work. So I think I was lucky too. I have a Charles and where those things were where he didn't from me and was just really able to follow what I was most interested in. It's funny how age and wisdom gained Insight will give you that sort of perspective you I I remember having a similar thing. I think what I played soccer. My dad did not like soccer at all like he him and his brothers all played high level of what was the vfa and they just had no interest but I think about it in hindsight and growing up in Bentley Brighton wage pay for Sandy and Sandy for some reason got relegated into sort of the Eastern Corridor. And so most of the time we'd be spending our Sunday afternoons in horrible weather in like the Danube. Songs of Frank sand or something like that driving an hour from home just go play a 90-minute game that he absolutely hated and in hindsight. It's yeah, it's quite nice too long to realize those sort of things. I mean, you're you're pretty pretty widely regarded as one of the best modern football's I think a lot of people will assume I'm interviewing Chris Jordan this whole podcast is going to be about football. But the reality is that your life has changed dramatically in the last you'd say five or so years. I was intrigued, you know used to sneak a lot about how you didn't want to be known as the the the cliched footballer. You have to stay out of very high eight are finishing school. How early on did the Intrigue of investing come along? Well, and it very unsophisticated level early on so I bought my first years when I was sixteen. I got some money from the is for a way to me. I was a part of decided I'd invest that, you know together with me and my old man would put our heads together and I'd invest that and then buy a car with the proceeds month. So there was a lot of early exposure to it. My dad is Anna Keenan investor and and has no real interesting in money. And and neither does my mom my grandpa was it my dad's dad was in a really interested stock investor actually both my grandparents were so there was some sort of lessons learned from there. So there was a an interest in them being an iPhone football or from an early age. I had some money to invest which is is rare for someone in their twenties unless they've got rich parents and so there was some gradual exposure them as a twenty-eight-year-old wage. Guy in person who really taught me how to invest properly and that was sort of a bit of a turning point and you know, then there was a decision off football. I actually worked for Venture Capital company for about eighteen months as an analyst for them. But really leaving them and going out of my own was was a big steps change and it's been good for a number of reasons. I mean the the big thing I've got out of it particularly the the amount of macro investing reading I get get to do is just an increased birth standing of how the world actually works and and yeah, the world is anxiety-provoking for everyone but when you can start to piece together some pieces of the jigsaw puzzle month, that's an interesting journey and and you know, there's the the idea of being right and making money which is really exciting but starting to piece together different parts of house dog. Actually works is has been really enjoyable as well. Yeah, cuz you you had was it was called gee-gees jibe these giant but Jodie's Jive. Jive with disgust. Yeah West Coast go. This is serious research Julia. I'm back to the journeys job. It's it's it's where was it? It was must have been a Wikipedia. Yeah, we offer is quite good for collecting a lot of info and you talked on a bunch of different topics. I've got a sense from that that you just like seeing things as they are and unpacking what happens and that's kind of where you excelled in special comments and AFL and it was just it just so happened that you had an interest in business and it's sort of had really well into the office, right? Yeah. I'm curious about how the world works. I'm also really curious about human psychology and you know behavioral psychologists such a huge part of New Jersey. Extinct but it also you know, my my main memories from Jodi's job was how I remember writing an article as a twenty-year-old saying I didn't think footballers should be Role Models. Yeah, and then essentially Papouli's aren't any different to anybody else and you know, you either do one or two things you really suck football is out better morally than everyone else and hence. We're going to make them Role Models or you accept it. They're the same as everyone else. And hence. It doesn't make logical sense for them to be Role Models, which is a pretty tough argument to make but I remember just the backlash of the time was just enormous and the outcome of that for me was You know, my job was to fly football. It wasn't a wasn't a better way media questions. So I ended up post that just deciding not to have strong opinions on things whilst I was playing cuz it was a construction to learning to deal with the team needed to do but also gives the media and excuse to distract you. Yeah, but it was it was also very unique but in a pack a day and age where Yeah, obviously gets spoken about so often just how uncomfortable so many people are with actual diversity of thought. Yeah, they're very comfortable saying they want people to look different and and page to be included the level of discomfort so many people have on how often those fighting for diversity have with ideas that are different to their own was was it's quite alarming real life looking back but even that was cause for her outrage, but that's the way we live in and unfortunately, it's only got more and more concentrated since then. Yeah. It's it gets sort of took that as a gateway to what to where we are. Now at least politically I'd like I've I'm a big fan of Jordan Peterson. So I'm very aware of this this sort of stuff and it's just it's it's super interesting and you do Wonder like I don't know when J these jibe was written. Oh for I think maybe I three years. So yeah, so it it does make you wonder like we we as humans have these opinions. Of certain situations already, but imagine if you'd written that in the area of social media what the response would have been like as everyone gets whipped up into a frenzy. I feel like social media in particular really pours gasoline on something that already exists. I think Morgan housel is a finance blogger if you come across his work. Yeah. I love him. I mean he's idea that that you've got the biggest inequality in terms of Labor versus Capital whatever saying so people with our sets off and become increasingly reached from ultra-low interest rates and labor. You know isn't receiving inflation zero number of reasons technology globalization and aging demographics. So workers are really being left behind. It has created enormous inequality and then that's happened at a time when many more and more connected than ever before through social media and at a time when you can compare how you're going to The Branding that people put forward of how they're going whether or not that's true or not. Yeah, and that's a really horrible combo. So a whole heap of work is being left behind and and you know, you mentioned Jordan Peterson Jordan Peterson's Always really focused on inequality of opportunity diversity and equality of outcome. The thing about this inequality. It is unfair because it's born out of ultra-low interest rates that are kept artificially Loeb central banks. So that is something to complain about and he's a justifiable grow. Right? I'm amazed that the left don't hold on to it and he took Lauren and now attacked the businesses that better from ultra-low interest rates as opposed to the central banks themselves, and it's it's funny you mention that cuz I found during this recent all these recent protests during the most recent BLM movement, but particularly during covid-19 Cove is really just accelerated what was already happening and how many businesses particularly your Amazon's the world are a pro this topic of racial divide. But as soon as you start talking about wage It's all hush-hush. Like I find that if they raise the minimum wage more than they had to so and so but at large if you're looking at a young age group of people who are these larger corporations and the way that they preserve their image, you can sort of see and this is I guess a mean that pervades on economic or economic Twitter is that it's really what has happened is a distraction for inequality like actual inequality, which is monetary inequality, which is wage. Jordan Peterson talks about a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I follow Amazon a bit because I faced us is just the most brilliant businessman we've seen It doesn't mean he's business isn't doing a huge amount of economic damage to Mom and Dad type small businesses and I suspect he will get broken up not because he's evil but boy, he's just too good at business and he is going to ruin so many small operators and but I sort of look at his letter like four years Warren Buffett's letters to our investors and then he brought annually was sort of, you know, something that all investors or anyone interested in finance really had to read I think it's sort of gave Clues to what's coming next. I feel like these officers dead letter to his shareholders is almost replaced that now and I've got it was interesting. They did raise minimum wage more than they have to have to I think I might have raised by 8% which is material and talked a lot about other ESG cymatics. There was a lot about carbon footprint reducing that I thought it was a clear pathway that what some of the big dog The Big Pine points are going to be in the next three to five years of those large corporations. Cuz the biggest risk to companies like Amazon is that they get split up and I think they probably will you know, what's happening Standard Oil turn of the century when Rockefeller was just getting too big and too powerful the antitrust campaign. I just finished the Rockefeller book and who wrote it. I think it was Walter Isaacson. Okay, but I'm right. Pardon. Is it a good re it's very interesting. I mean the guy came from nothing. It's just one of the most remarkable stories that he he was not a particularly special individual when it came to intelligence or anything of the like he actually had a real tough upbringing in terms of the family situation. His dad was essentially just a Wanderer So it's really just brought up by his mother in the eighteen early eighteen hundred very very early eighteen-hundreds. It's going to be a huge catch-twenty-two wrong with that break up because I think we're all intense purposes of companies get too big and powerful when you really looking at you know, Amazon Google Facebook. They're probably the ones that stand out off the top of my head that are in line for a potential breakup. That's what's happened in the past. But we're also in a phase where there's a potential Cold War emerging between China and the US which is really going to be fought out through Tech. So it doesn't make sense to weaken your tech industry when you know why they're really going to be the front line of any wars going forward and and we're seeing a beginnings of potentially a cold war between those two superpowers. Let's hope it doesn't get into a a hot War but that's that's going to be the big arm wrestling big debate. Do you do you weaken big Tech when they signed caught in the job? On security, but they're also detonating so many smaller operators at the same time. Yeah, let's some I want to jump back to China and covered cuz that's that's a very interesting thing. We just had the Prime Minister would be prime minister and the last week do a bunch of announcements around about what the future of the economy looks like in that whole supply chain. So I want to get into that but I've got to ask with your own investing principles if we fast-forward to Chris post-career and talking your own book. I guess I get a sense that there's been a huge differences to Charlie Montgomery. I'm a fan of manga. I don't know if you own Berkshire shares like a lot of us sort of disciples, but I would say I would agree I think the basis of life and among galeta each year sort of true must-reads. I know through my own research you you built this idea around the importance of relationships and Nigel Nigel Slattery dead. You got an understanding of structure and probably integration from Pratt and the and the industry's business and then deal flow from from Tony. I know you've got a what sort of seems like you've had some they say type Investments micro-cap type Investments. Do you define yourself in any way as a growth of value-based investor off now, I don't and people are so quick to try and label on a different category and and they are and just why the life as well but the risk is then long those rules you set for yourself. And when you say this is what I am is they can become like a jail because investing is a game where the rules are constantly changing, you know, a lot of people really smart people thought negative interest rates were impossible then all of a sudden they appeared in there's trillions of Dollars around the world priced with a negative interest rate. So, No, I mean. My ideal setup is to be in companies with long macro Tailwind in the industry. They're in and I like smaller companies because the person who's on the other side of the transaction is less sophisticated than when you're buying into big companies and it's a Institutional Investor on the other side of the transaction so dead set up a private business or private businesses before that. It'd be more akin to sort of startup or PA investing a little bit of venture capital type investigate. I find hard in Australia, but not the main focuses on public equities and the main I id id has come through macroeconomic research. Okay. And do you find that there are other like I find for myself. There are key things that I'm always looking for. Like I have a preference you said before you prefer my Chrome. Up stocks that really have a sort of Tailwind going behind them and there's a lot of upside there. I think for myself I'd probably agree, but I also heavily look at home. Cashflow whether I understand the business or not and if it's an industry that I really get like I have very specific industries that I invest in and they're quite limited. Do you have anything like that where you know, you might have a focus on biotech or Tech or fintech or Finance or is there anything like that that you impose on yourself know? It's it's really focus on a macroeconomic issues. So some of them would be around the issues with fiat currency when you've got central banks debasing Fiat currencies as they are right around the world age and demographics in the Western World, which is a really easy long-term Trend to predict automation robotics or or the digitization of the world is another sort of long-term systemic clean are particularly in China. He's a long-term 4matic and that's a little bit different to climate change. And so I'm not interested in investing electric vehicle manufacturers, but certainly the minerals that dated for those V's, you know, particularly things like Cobalt and copper and nickel. I find interesting left side left him cuz it's it's more readily available. So that's the the start and then they'll be I get lots of opportunity sent through from a broken network of sort of 15 to 20 different Brokers each guide and sometimes they'll be worth exploring and you know, a lot of my day is spent either reading or sitting down with companies listening to investment presentations. Usually when they're trying to raise Cathy and mostly Investments come about through Capital raisings. Yeah. That's what I was one of the things I was thinking about is what would his process be? I'd imagine a lot of it would be reading ya job. I know for myself. I'll like I said, I'll focus on certain industries and scan opportunities across the world. Then I'll just read everything. I possibly can on that business and the people involved in it. If you look at your day today, is that sort of your approach if you were to split split it up into percentages. Are you reading for like forty fifty percent of the day is going through Twitter you do your interviews. How does that sort of look for you at the moment? Yeah, most of the days spent reading so they leave at five or six hours a day reading and some of that's just threw content home consumption as well. So that might be whether it's listening to podcast or you know, this video content made on platforms, like real Vision. That's just yeah exceptional off-site call it five to six hours a day of content consumption. And then the rest of the time is is spent speaking to the network and and really creating a heuristic because there's too many companies to go through Thursday. One by one but if you know the people that are introducing them and you can Rank and and understand their quality and then that can lead into the heuristic of understanding the quality of the management job involved with that company. And so that's the challenge. How do you scan as a one-man band not miss too many great opportunities, but not spend too much time exploring average opportunities. How are you? Then condensing that info like, you know, if you read five six hours a day, you know, you'd have your time decompressing at night. But I imagine there would be certain themes certain ideas that would stick out amongst that reading over time whether it's a week or a month or whatever some of them you probably talked about on your your podcasts. Do you journal or anything like that where you really like to put pen-to-paper on certain trends that you're saying? No, I'm not in that not in that form. it's just been constantly aware of what's going on and just watching and listening and and this really when there's also taking note of what the markets are telling you as well, which is a really important factor. Particularly. Yeah, there might be a price of an asset or. Let's call it an asset more broadly. And you know, the gold price has been strong every I won't say everyone thought it was going to be strong. A lot of people did I think that gives you a huge amount of information if you've got Gold's Gym and change its its placement, but what what can give you a lot of information is when something happens that nobody is expecting and you know, there are some of the things I try and look out for and to and to think about what that might be telling us. So for instance after that March or April Crash from We then had a really sharp reversal in asset prices in listed equities all around the world and that was unexpected. That wasn't consensus. Really. I mean, I know home if stock prices are going up clearly as more interest in buying them than selling them but it certainly wasn't a consensus View and so it's interesting. What did that tell us about what's potentially coming and I think what it told us is that you know, if you've got good a good economic environment and in markets a stable and and growth is call it, you know one and half 2% and inflation call it is is about the same. That's that's wow, That's that's when things are going really smoothly then you've got left tail risk, which is depreciating asset prices depression and then you've got right tail risk, which is really high inflation dead. And right away, it's really easy to understand what the left tail risk feels like you can understand if you want a house what it feels like if that value dropped by 50% and the bank says you've got negative equity. You've got to suck ass. It's very easy to understand what that feels. Like. I don't think it's as easy for everyone to understand what that right tail risk feels like largely because we've been in a a pretty benign inflation in office seems the early eighties and and bond prices will tell you that but it feels good at the start, you know, it feels good at the start. There's inflation people who have a job start getting paid a bit more often asset prices go up, but then if it's not accompanied by economic growth and you have a large number of people unemployed and things aren't going up by values down 2% a year, but 6% a year or you know, we've seen cases in Zimbabwe were a loaf of bread costs. Double the amount in the afternoon as it did in the morning, it doesn't feel so good. Now clearly, we're not going to be Zimbabwe and neither's the us, but I think that right tail risks around higher inflation. It's potentially been include what the markets have been telling us since an appreciation that that very few expected particularly as rapidly as it has been so it could be right I could be wrong but looking for what the markets are signaling and trying to tell you is a really important part of being an investor as well. Yeah. I'm trying to marry that up with I I understand what you say. What trying to marry up with the market is saying and what the business environment is doing that sort of the hardest part. I would say and in in my I just think they're very now that that's not too bad cuz The markets are the economy stock market is just not the economy. It's it's about people's perception of what the future looks like. The bond market really is the economy or much closer to it off, you know, and you'll see bond prices appreciate when economic environment is is bad. But but I think inflating the the stock market with the economy is is where people can get into a bit of trash as well. Yeah. Well what I'm saying is understanding the key differences between them and how how it affects businesses in the long run because the end of the day you're you're totally right like an amateur stock is very different to Apple the company but there's also the issue that when you have a stock that beer got any stock in general the executives of the company have got a signal to the Mark what's happening and that's it's really hard at the particularly at the moment. Like that's why I found March so interesting because I saw marks as an opportunity to get a table. Opportunities that may not have existed without covert in if the economy goes as we expect it as as it's, you know, come out in the data to give it how bad things they've gone. There was still a lot of opportunity there, but I never expected the market to come back up as quickly as it did. Like I didn't think that I would be selling out of some of those opportunities or taking some games in this financial year at all. Now, it was incredible and it was so quick. Like I was lucky enough to buy a few things during all that that Carnage I bought a bit of gold I was confident in Gold but things like City Chic dropped and I bought a sound but I punched him out early, you know, and I reckon I bought a des but I punched that out very early too cuz I didn't have any conviction that it was going to last long. I had no idea that it was going to remind I mean as strong as it has so that that was to be that has surprised me just how sustained it's being the Retailer's I'm not convinced. You know, everyone's head of pyras on average people are taking home more money than they were pre Kota just to the huge amounts of government stimulus and that really all runs out in March need to live redrawn on them. So far they've been able to stop paying their mortgage if they wanted to there's been a huge amount of government money going at individuals and businesses and bought a lot of things are gradually starting to wear off now and by March they will have worn off so it'll be interesting to see if one of those retailers, you know, JB Hi-Fi and there's and Premier that done brilliantly if that demand is being Essentially brought forward and the extra money is made it easier that for for the consumer to buy those goods or if it is a longer-term sort of sustained rally in those stocks that's going to be interesting to watch. I haven't I'm going to Clearview my cellphone but it's going to be an interesting timer in March and April to see how those companies respond. Yeah, I think Mark Mark is going to be very interesting. Do you you mentioned before I'm not really a lot of local businesses a lot of the when I think about my own trading I'd say like eighty percent of it is international shares. Do you give much consideration to that at all, or do you solve a focus on the Hime economy? I just focus on Ozzy stocks. I think I just want to try and build out some sort of advantages as an investor and public posting on Australian stocks particularly small ones have a new position where I can be able to meet management and see the whites of their eyes get a greater understanding what they're doing and birth Feel in in that aspect I'd be at a real disadvantage to be investing in international stocks because there'd be some guy or girl living overseas investing in that stock and I'd be buying their shares or be selling my shares to them and if they've got access to the CEO and that live in that environment, I think that they'd have an advantage. So I generally try and avoid International stocks. I've got a some things that have been listed on the Canadian Stock Exchange cuz that's how transpired but yeah. My real focus is on on Ozzy equities page Chris Judd invest you mentioned or reference before real Vision. I get a sense that you really inspired by Brands like that when it comes to the creation of this brand in particular, there's two different podcasts that extend from that talk your book and masters of the markets as well. I can sort of see how it made a lot of a lot of sense wage. You're doing Special comments in FL you get into this investing thing and realize that there is in a in a lot of ways in different areas a lack of commentary back in the market here in Australia, but I could also see how you would look at it and go well for me it would just make more sense to build my house as an investor get access to people that all in their early may not say yes for various reasons. What was sort of the the aha moment to create Cristian invest. Well, you're right. So I mean real vision is just brilliant and things like real Vision or Grant Williams is things that make You Go Hmmm or you know, whether it's macrovoices or Kevin Muller is brilliant song, Carol sokoloff, you know, the list goes on. But particularly probably real Vision just made such a material difference to my life. You know, it's giving anybody to to get up and work each day on something that I really enjoy life, but given me the ability for that to be a success. So I saw how important that was to me and then I saw in Australia. There's just not a huge amount financed content created. We had Sky business and that closed down. Yeah. So for those interested in the local market, I think there's a good offering them. You know sort of financial planning advice for people looking to get into that space But for maybe someone who's a bit beyond yeah lessons around savings and and things like that and wants a little bit more sophistication. They just went a lot of offerings and I guess noting that and it also being aware that I'm in a phase in my career where I should be working for someone else and and took off people with gray hairs and and all the rest but that's not something I wanted to do. So to be able to get access to some great investors around Australia who have brilliant lessons just share to be able to do that for me to pick up and learn off their different investing Styles or their investment Frameworks that they use just felt like a really good a really good opportunity and it's it's been well received and I've been lucky to meet a lot of different investors have been generous with their time and I'm not sure where it's going to end up. I haven't come into it with a ten year plan of birth. Domination and you know what? I mean baseball season any risk that it's going to take over the world and and do any damage to Amazon for instance. But for me, it's been a great journey. I've got to meet some great people and when you are private investor, it can be a pretty lonely profession you you know, your wins you celebrate by yourself your losses. You're you're when you're down to yourself. So they have that that human element is been something that I've enjoyed as well. Yeah, there's some there's some really good interviews and there we've interviewed Alexander's in the past. I saw you was in there. He was great. Yeah. He's a he's a good guy very good. Probably one of the few Educators in that space that is not there to make a dime off of others at the moment, but I'm looking here. There's something yeah Twitter's full of different Bridges. That's the writer and I don't mind that it's a bit like I like the horse races and you go there and there's people from all different walks. Life and they're all working an angle and and their idea is they want to have a little bit of escapism and make some money in and markets are a bit the same you've got two months fisticated people working an angle and you've got some really sophisticated investors and everyone's somewhere on that Continuum. I think as long as you know, where each each actor seats in that Continuum, then you don't run into too much trouble where what's the biggest difference you've noticed between AFL and finance media in terms of the actual working in them or well not so much working in them. It could be any insight really thought it could be the best and worst thing about it, but there's there's a difference in tone of the types of media like I notice in AFL media, it's it runs looking for the quick hot take. Yeah. Yeah. I see what you mean. It's even a film media. It's so different across the the Spectrum. You know, I mean, I work on Triple M's. And you know, Damien Barrett has some breaking news stories, but by and large, we're not chasing a hot tape. So is the difference. Well, I've learned in media is it's enjoyable when you're fulfilling a role. That's really a line to who you are and then you can be yourself and and it off flies if you if you are really serious type media operator in your ass to be on a a program that's built around humor. It just doesn't work out in the long run and vice versa. If you if you've you gave him is something that's fun and and not curing cancer. It doesn't make sense to be promulgating a high amount of seriousness regarding the game. So I think that's been a bit of a learning media and you need to find a form that fits your personality and how you view the world and I think that's probably true across all media, you know, if you can't be you authenticate. Self it's it's not you know, it's not going to work out in the long run. Let's jump to China the economy and covid-19. The next six to twelve months looks like and so we've had to be quite conservative and very risk-averse and decisions that we make around the business and just life in general. So I I guess I'm curious how you looking at the next six to twelve months what's certain and uncertain to you. Unfortunately, it's all uncertain and be much better if it was then but as an investor your job is the way the probabilities of what you think the future is going to look like and I think it's it's important to sell often in in meeting out the future gets spoken about uncertainties all and footballs assigned, you know player is either off the best day ever going to be the best ever or he's finished one of three things in reality players are never really any of those things are always pretty good or pretty bad or improving off a bad dyle, you know, this this idea that everything is always Any extremity is is a bit alarmist. And so I guess I say that we the China situation currently and the the geopolitical relations between China and the US and found a stray has been bundled into that as well. And I think globalization is finished but I think the Halcyon Days Are potentially over and they'll still be things manufacturer different parts of the world and and distributed to other countries, but I mean, I think there are going to be Try to launch as we've groups of Nations and I suspect the internet will end up getting split up between a us internet and a China the internet. We're seeing the early stages of that with U.S. Have done with Tik Tok and and we know that China's not open to companies like Facebook and Google and essentially dead. It's closed compared to the u.s. So I think that's going to grow and continue to grow and I think Australia will trade more freely with countries like, you know, the US Canada maybe India the UK. So have you have you have you read much then on cans across just that with the recent discussions around the free trade agreement with the UK this idea of Kansas or Canada and New Zealand, Australia. And the UK expanding having a wide-ranging free trade agreement is sort of gathering Pace on Twitter. Yeah. I haven't really extensively bad, but you can see it happening. We've always the same Towers being introduced in the US against China and some other countries as well. So I think that feels like it's it's coming. I feel like we've even seen China in some of the the stashes with Australia recently claimed that treasury wine Estates for dumping wine on their market. We've with artificial high prices. And so they it feels like this whole thematic is is going to continue to grow I sort of feel like Maybe some agricultural companies are more vulnerable there. You know, I'd be a bit nervous about some of the milk providers potentially because it feels like China. Get that milk and and those infant formula products elsewhere. Whereas something like if you're a copper producer, I can't see China. Ratcheting up the price of copper by saying we're not going to buy your copper from Australia. So there's certain industries which even though they rely very heavily on on Chinese Imports. I feel have a bit more strength because it doesn't make sense for China to cut their nose to spite their face, I guess as an Australian, we hope I hope it just doesn't escalate more than it has to I mean, obviously We don't want interference seeing you know politics from foreign countries, but I think there's a balancing act between respecting the important roles China's played with Australian as well in terms of their number one trading partner by a country mile. And so there's there's there's some sort of balancing act that needs to be reached there between respecting our number one customer, but also keeping, you know safe Australian Australian way of life for generations to come it sort of sounds like the way that you're talking about it and others have spoken is it's going to be these discussions around trying are going to be solid in two different areas of the supply chain, whether its primary Industries manufacturing wholesale trade or distribution and and there will be different impacts on different areas and then each thing will be segmented down into different components as well whether it's copper Pig. Design, or or milk versus beef as an example. I was interesting seeing ninety-five Racine the AFR loves to stir should up but you know talking about Chinese diplomats approaching Brazilian diplomats around ramping up and investing in Iron ore deposits. So you can sort of see how that may be permeating through the supply chain. I think going back to your point about globalization. Everyone keeps talking about this whole idea of localization. Yeah, a lot of your manufacturing and distribution is a lot closer to the base of where it gets distributed to but we'll see cuz I mean like just before there's some pretty sure a lot of the major companies and the supply chain space mining and so forth what over in Vietnam With with the prime minister's office for a major event with you know, their diplomats talking about supply chain so you can sort of see how as well it would just be easier to move off of what is done in China into Vietnam. So that's and I think that's likely that there will be some manufacturing move there. There'll be some stuff that goes to South Korea that we someone stays in childbirth. I mean, I think that localization is a a trend that's here to stay but it's not appropriate for everything. Yeah. We also things that are just issues of National Security. Like I mean, I think all countries and now where that ninety percent of the antibiotics get manufactured in China and that's a that's a big security risk, and I think you'll get a lot of ensuring of antibiotics and medical products products coming back to the US and and two countries like Australia as well so that if there is a hot War at some stage or or something else unforeseen that our supply chains owners exposed. Is is probably what they are today? Yeah, the idea of a primary industry may become expanded other than just milk and Beef main the other things that you actually need to survive a hot War long before I jump into some rapid-fire questions to finish off. I've got asked I think both you and your partner back people that were as a couple my partner and I've ever looked up dude just remain active looking at the two of you you've done being able to do your own things in your own way, you know various different businesses with its media commentary investing and so forth and and she thought she being quite successful in our own right? I was curious what have you what have you learned from her in your time together? She's hyper organized Beck. What time does what does hyper mean extremely is it Jordan Peterson fan? You should you should understand the use of hyphen. He's hardly confident lines are very regular one the home now. She's looking incredibly well-organized really smart, but very driven to achieve an extinct. She she doesn't like standing still and he's always looking towards the next thing. So I think I've learned that I've learned a lot about being a parent from her, you know, she's a great teacher to our kids and very patient with them. So, And yeah, I mean, I'm so pretty last I fear with the kids in terms of homework and and things like that. So having someone is a bit more focused and and pushing them in those areas as being you know, very good family as well and Rapid Fire questions. What does what is your morning routine look like get up at 6 and I get about an hour of that that compounding that would speak about so I get on I'll check a few different prices on think markets and I'll check a few things on Twitter home and then I'll usually listen to some Oh usually go to the gym and and do a bit of a workout whilst listening to different podcast or or real Vision. What's been your top three broadcasts of choice recently? Well, it's not a podcast but in terms of newsletter, Kevin Miller's newsletter is Orion the macro tourists and value-for-money. It is cheap as chips wage is I think it's about two or three hundred bucks to the year. It comes out with two or three articles a week and they're good and he is He is a ripper. The end game for Grant Williams is up there and I'm back from voices is a he's a stable. That's a that's a really good solid podcast that I've enjoyed for a long number of time. Yeah grant grant Williams is an absolute classic Grant interest rate Observer. Also, I remember reading that way back in the day off, with the last time I looked at that and if you would sort of identify a purchase that's under $200 and it could have been during or before this whole. It's been quite useful during lockdown. What would it be and why? I feel drawn aside coffee beans, but maybe they should be something more significant a a lot of people talk about airports. Not unlock him now. You don't like him. Yeah. I'm on the old school. I want the string attached. I had I had any running with the airpods doing a an interview with a nap me meeting to view and since then I just want the old school the old school string. So actually, you know, that's probably then these very earphones I'm using bought from a service station down been a huge help for my my podcast cuz the sounds been a lot better. So I'm going to go with them. Very good. Look Chris. Thanks for doing this mate. It's been a while since we offer any organized this but where can people find you on the interwebs at Christian invest. So there's a website Christian invest.com or YouTube channel Christian, and that's probably the best place to check out the content beautiful will link all of that. But Chris. Thanks. Once again, thanks John appreciate. It was good fun. Thanks for listening into this episode. If you like it do believe us a written review on your podcast app as it helps us continue going on a weekly basis and waged love reading those reviews as well. 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Admiral Schofield Full Interview 11/1

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Admiral Schofield Full Interview 11/1

"This is the scale details on just Out How are you guys doing while he's alive about Grant Williams you gave them love right did you guys ever throw hands in practice because we've had a lot of shoveling we never got to that point because I mean even when I'm in a situation of defending yourself or this person or you feel standing my ground but if anything we I mean we argue about basketball a fighting job as you saw the NBN Karl Anthony towns quarter quite I had I seven footers scuffling taken that thing to the ground if some of those teammates didn't break it up who knows what could have happened suffer because they like where I come from a fight as a fight you know two wasn't like they were really throwing pipe so I would say scuffled I wouldn't call it a pillow fight air low exchange on social media that just makes it even funnier for you know w. w. style grabbing chairs and stuff and we might have a real issue but other than that I crazy I know they got on the phone right away with the NBA. Admiral it's been great you know I just I just really understand the whole rookie were injured is back you know nine games many prices Roques I have to practice with the G. League team process of just fall in love with the process again understanding that you know it's Him almost getting sixty I mean the way he did it was just it was almost quiet isn't paying that much attention because Brad Brad's forty was was a lot louder you know where did that come from it was crazy it was a great environment that's a learning curve for us but you know I think we have some some underrated firepower in that I don't think a lot of people have high expectations for going to the year but they've been you guys have been a fun sort got Brooke say after you give up one fifty nine 'cause you guys scored at one fifty eight it was unbelievable offense reform on our fans will get used to the way we play now respect the way we play not just respected their fall and we go out we just want to play hard and play for each other and move the ball because we have guys that can doesn't you gotta let Brad Brad and he's a great creative for us as well as Ishmael everything and you know getting over that Hump just playing defense and doing things rebounding ever we didn't have the G. League or the D. League when I played but what's is or is your mindset completely different depending on what team you're with Aram shooting the ball and picking my spots I've been a big time bomb over percents really playing at P. Tucker road doing doing my job but not player I self try to be Kyrie Irving 'cause I'm not carrier but you know be you know just being more aggressive on that level I think I've been doing a great job you know just defending showed them I can and I know I can't so it's just about getting a rhythm in you know in our practices you know when you're on they won't really continue development so that's one of the reasons why semi down for practicing enough to have an NBA contract and you know just getting ribs down low so are as league in the G. League is a great way to develop it's a great way for a player draft beer someone that could come in and help right away win game so if I'm not doing that but if you keep that mindset of I gotta get better whatever from here there wherever Matt guys in the Locker Room how pump was Europeanisation this was a guy that you know I think some people thought might have been on the trade block 'cause you know Brian we have the same agent and you know to see that he you know things were can you hear the trade rumors now that you're on the other side of things being on the team Gaza coming in I mean I think we have eight or nine guys that are twenty two or younger on our team on the floor you know that's not something that just happened you know we've been together a month eh this core group that we have right now of these young guys that is it's enough with us this is the biggest thing is just knowing they know your leaders blessed to be drafted by the nets. I play Jason Kidd Garnett Ray Allen Paul Pierce Derrick again what are you learning from watching guys like Brad the or even watching or what I've learned so far from being NBA is you know there's players that a different way and then there's players that no just have guy given ability and I've seen a lot Brag Brad's process everyday's is consistent his routine the business you have to respect that in you know some of the things he's able to do is this is see him out there and see how how well he does is just amazing because you get to waste energy picks spots in the right moments and he's just so efficient he saw efficient understand the game differently in how they manipulated the kind of things you guys you guys celebrate the World Series Win no we did rested innings I'd rather watch the end of the seventh naw gotTa Watch the top of for their first world series and it just gave me those those cubs lives because being the environment in a city where no it's a sports city and I I we know in on the East Coast I just realized how many sports cities on the east coast how passionate you might find a couple of warriors fans Celtics fans but here award was it was a great site and what do you got going damn note star my routine as far as getting prepared for practice going to get an ice bath oh

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"The Paul finebaum show podcast is brought to you by the new Capital One saver card. Earn four percent cashback on dining and entertainment two percent on grocery stores and one percent on all other purchases. What's in your wallet? Cried package and then patron tree of college. Football leaves here is the Paul finebaum show. Our one podcast rates Thursday -gratulations to us. Anyway, we'll come back to the show. Lots to do today, including some conversations about basketball. Did you see Tennessee last night? They were on the brink memorial. Gymnasium in Nashville, but they escaped with a little help from their friends and one player in particular grant Williams, it is voices. Loud on the Homer right now, his play has been loud on the floor. Sly and washes on so high there's nobody could have blocked all the foul called grown men baskets twenty three to twenty three from the free throw line. On my own. Basically. Are you kidding me? This stork will performance for grant waves in this building tonight. Everybody taking notes including Andy Katz talking about grant Williams show tremendous leadership in overtime for the vol's at Vanderbilt. Kyle Boone saying, it's absolute joy to watch Williams. Play basketball. Chris dortch? He just got his jersey retired tonight. My reaction was pretty similar. I mean he and sending him to the free throw line was not a good move. But that's how he ended up spending a lot of time there. He was brilliant. Tennessee escapes one or two controversial calls down the stretch. But in the end Tennessee survived nearly revisiting seen from nearly ten years ago when the then number one vol's went to Nashville first time out lost. They avoided that this time. They'll take on West Virginia Saturday in the big twelve SEC challenge. We'll get some reaction to that game. Just a few minutes. But that's not the only going on quarterbacks. Taking advantage of free agency in college football. This is not a new story. But it seemed to be one of the bigger in best stories of the year. Me. Well, you faces in new places. Make for interesting two thousand nineteen. Tony Barnhart will join us on that subject. Mr. college football will also give us his top ten. Georgia running backs of all time west Rucker coming up shortly on the Tennessee vol's, and what's in store for them. The rest of the way, Tony Barnhart is mentioned and Todd mcshay live from the senior bowl. So that is part of our lineup here on this Thursday afternoon. But first calls at eight five five two four to seven to eight five. Don't everyone call at once. Let's let's get to the calls and start with our old friend met in San Antonio. How are you Matt and get called contacting special team in a loss to Florida? Yeah. John again dishes pointing the my basketball team with an Paul. They've played so good in the first half. And then they dislike when go apart. Yeah. Yeah. I understand Paul. We is still good in Sweet Sixteen beat the crap North Carolina. And now he's like struggling I ever married. You have to take a look at what departed after last season. And I think that there in lies part of the problem. I I still think good Kennedy's is an excellent coach he's done. He's just he's in one of those those ice patches right now that I think he's having a difficult time navigating angry, and I heard about niche chuckle transferring I the name I wish him moral luck in the world wherever we go. She's a good quarterback. He is I now he said he's got power being Aggie as graduating after this year Panthers. But I wish more I'm not gonna world. He's a good quarterback. And I hope he has a good career wherever he goes next school. He goes play for you got. We'll listen, thanks so much. Matt Marcia is up next in Alabama Hella, Marsha? Hi, how other thanks. Thanks for taking my call. I had about three things I wanted to say today and that is. One of my favorite cowers that you get is Jimmy from Chicago real he's very knowledgeable. And you know, he I just enjoy listening to him. The second question is have you heard from merely like the? You know, we heard from her briefly and never got a chance to ask her how she was feeling. I know she had been sick during the Christmas holidays, but hopefully, she will call and soon maybe today how because you know, I hadn't seen her on there for a while. And I just hope you know, something had happened. You know, we're from a right after the Alabama of championship game. But we didn't talk long. But maybe you'll call in today. And my third thing is that I was so excited for Jalen hurt. That oklahoma. You know, we're all pulling for him to do a good job. So we're gonna pull for Oklahoma because of Jalen and then Alabama well, Marcia, thank you very much. Great to hear from you. Gary is in Knoxville Tennessee where I got the best men's team in the country and their women's team take on Notre Dame, which is the best women's team tonight. Yes. Paul first time caller. Appreciate you taking my call. Thank you, Gary. I wouldn't get further comment on Holly situation. Yeah. Leaving here hearing because I think distinctly we need change and soon I just wanted to get your end. Yeah. You know, I asked that question to John Adams a couple of nights ago, who you probably know is longtime media maven up there. And he said he doesn't think this is his words not mine. He didn't think that the university was really committed to having an elite team. In other words, he thought they would tolerate what we're seeing. Now, I can tell you, and this is always unscientific. Okay. But based on the callers to this show, and there have been many this week, the overwhelming majority of callers that we have heard from want change, and they want change soon. So I I think Gary tonight is an opportunity for Hollywood to show that Tennessee still has a top level program. If they don't look good tonight, which hard to imagine they will they've lost five in a row, then I think the drumbeat for her ouster. We'll get louder Harry is in New Orleans. Harry, not a New Orleans. Gay Garrett is up next in Tennessee. Hello garrett. Good afternoon to you. Good afternoon. Let me tell you. I was at that game yesterday in memorial gymnasium of for continue. It's one of the worst days I've ever been to. But it was the loudest place. I've ever been to Tennessee was loud Vanderbilt was loud. But Tennessee was a little bit louder muff in. I just wanted to say grant, we ended the man Vanderbilt is a bunch of boys and go Valls. Steve breaking news there. Steve is up next in Florida. Hello, steve. How you doing Paul? We're doing great. Thank you, first time caller. I just called in because I see National Science day coming up and just like every fan from any fan base. I'm real excited about what has been doing the Gators. But in the SEC, you could be a top ten top eleven programs. Still have you know, five other teams from your conference ahead of you. So my question to you is I heard you talking I think it was yesterday with somebody debate in Kirby smart versus versus Nick, saving, and I know savings extraordinarily talented. But you know, he is getting towards I guess you would say at least the second half of his career not the end of his career realistic when you're sixty when you're about to be sixty eight you're you're more than. I mean, you are you are late in the fourth quarter, my friend, right? And so I remember the coaching care. And some of the struggles they had their Alabama before. I remember what would Georgia look like, you know, once upon a time so for for four to fans or any fan base out there that wants to get back on top particularly in the SEC where there's such a a tremendous amount of competition. You know, it's it's hard to fault. Dan Mullen, his first year taking a four and seventeen and doing what he did what needs to happen for for whether it's my team or any team to get to where Nick Sabin or some of these other guys are whether the top one or two when it comes to recruiting classes when it comes to AP rankings to get back on top because you know, the expectations are pretty high there, and yes, Dave, thank you for the call. I don't think you have to be in the top two or three and recruiting. I think as long as you're consistent top five top eight. You're going to be okay. And I think Dan Mullen is moving toward that rankings. Ranking wise, it wasn't all that great. But I think the way he closed the early signing period. I think especially with those. I think those young players were from Clearwater, whatever high school was down there. It made a big difference. But but ultimately for for Florida to get where they wanna go. They're going to have to beat Georgia. That's essential. They're going to have to be Georgia in in that all important game in late October and get to the SEC championship game. They got a couple of times under Jim mcelwain quickly got run over they, but but they need, but they need to deal with Kirby smart right now. And I think that's essential thing. And they also can't afford to lose games. Like they did last year to Kentucky very good team and Missouri as well. Both games were at home. We're up against a break. We'll find out more about the Tennessee vols. Is there? Anything to be concerned about considering the last two games have been narrow wins against unranked teams. They're still number one in the country. But how long will they stay? We'll talk to someone who follows the team very closely in Knoxville coming up next to listening to Paul. Finebaum show podcast. Welcome back to the program. We'll head to Knoxville shortly and get some more reaction to the Tennessee. Vols? More of your calls at eight five five to four to seven to eight five David is in Tennessee. And you're on the air. Go right ahead. First time calling. Thank you. I want to talk about Pissy Ben boo game. I not and when thoughts on how important the free POS wire in that game. Well, I thought they were critical if grant Williams missed any of those that the end of regulation, I don't think Tennessee would won the game. I mean Vanderbilt all all they needed was one more shot. And it was that simple. And then that four point turnaround really cost them. They just couldn't quite deliver it, but I- Vanderbilt credit though, coach drew had his team ready to play and they performed brilliantly even though they're not going anywhere this year. But I don't think that game. Like that hurts there's an old axiom in basketball that that you need a game. Like that. Now, this was now two in a row for Tennessee. But I don't think it's I don't think anyone game right now is critical for the vol's. They just need to keep doing what they're doing. Looking forward here for Auburn. It's Wales and both sides. Thank you very much before to seeing you later in the spring, David down in Henderson. Thank you for the call. Appreciate it very very much. Stephen is in Virginia. And you're on the air. Hey, how you doing today? We are great. Thank you. Oh, well, I called him before. And I'm a big Virginia Tech football fan, and we lost. Josh jackson. We lost a couple tight ends. And we lost running back, and I know they want to better their future. But what is the NCAA going to do about like transfers or is it a university fix? Well, the got new legislation that makes it more meaningful to the student athlete, which I happen to agree with. I think the bigger question Stevens what's going to happen to Virginia Tech? I thought this year the hokies went the wrong way. Yeah. I will went to law. We had a lot of injuries and a lot of people transfer. And I'm just wondering what if if we don't win next year. What's a future you're talking about coach went to three years ago is hottest coach in America. And now we're wondering can you get the job done? I think it's early a like him very much, but Virginia Tech expects better. That's a that's a high caliber program. It's a high standard Frank beamer left behind. Thank you, very very much for the call. Call steep is in Louisville. Hey, steve. Hey, Paul, you know, the game last night. I thought was just a travesty that call at on that ho can hold call. I know that's supposed to be some porn of references year girl looking for. But the that whole that should have been a no call whatsoever. No foul on anybody. I mean, the Tennessee player came down put his arm outside of the vandy player Nygren, and he's the one that initiated the, you know, you know, listen, I I was watching the game as a Tennessee graduate with Vanderbilt graduate. So there was a lot of intensity going on. And I I I try to call it like I see it now. I know I know they reviewed it. And I understand the rule, but in real time, I thought it was a totally garbage call. It was it's Renison it. It's already happened. And a couple of times that I've seen that may be she'll get it. Right. But guess make a call. I mean that game. I mean, they weren't splitting atoms. Take a look at it. And then let everybody know what you see don't don't don't look at it. Like, you're you're trying to get the underbelly of the of a molecule there, you either see it or you don't see it. And if you don't see it then. Make the decision. Officiating was terrible. It was when you when you like you said when you go to the monitor and look at it for as long as they did and still can't get it. Right. That's that's that's really bad. Now. I was really surprised by the company, and I mean, do I think that call cost Andrew belt the game? Yes. I do. I think that call cost Andrew belt the game. Now, I say that as Tennessee graduate. Yeah. I think it should have been a six point lead and Vanderbilt with the ball, and they would have won the game. What what a minute a minute left in the game. If that. And at that point the game the game's over. I I don't I don't think Tennessee could've made up the difference. But I mean, but give Tennessee a lot of credit. I mean, they hung in there. And I mean, they ended up, you know, surviving which is what a good team. If not a great team does. Yeah. They they they they're out of bounce plays that they ran that. They scored on repeatedly were were amazing. Yeah. Now. That the game should never been should never. I I rarely turn off a game and genuinely feel badly for team, but I felt badly for Vanderbilt because. They game was decided by by the guys in the officiating outfits. Not by the players. Thank you very much for the call. Appreciate it. Neil is in Kentucky. Neil go. Right ahead. You're on the air. Okay. I could go back briefly company coaching care sale and Trump's collusion. Speculates your dad, whatever the the full you left to go to California. I believe it was some guy North Carolina called about the one two and three and recruiting and the connection that they all had a university of Alabama connection and tie their and whatever I think one of the things that might be eventually heard say that his when they get enough head coaches out there that know where the bodies are very and they start coming in and number one number two number three in recruiting within five stars. I'm gonna last week. They learn more than Xs and os down there, of course, saving didn't create the system. He just can't do it. They you're right. And you know, you. People always wonder. Well, what's what's Nick savings relationship with Kirby smart? Well, I I have heard that the biggest rub that that he and others Alabama have with Kirby smart is Kirby smart took the took. What was in the so-called war room? That's the secret room out in outside of Sabin. Inside of savings off. If you're going to go into another room where all the players are on the board, and he he began recruiting those which by the way is perfectly legitimate. If you're the new coach at at the university of Georgia and that created the tension, and I think the tension grew last year when Kirby smart beat saving in recruiting and save and got him back in national championship game. But but that's why did what he did. And and and you you have Kirby out there. Jeremy Pruitt out there. You have other coaches out there and becomes more difficult because there are only so many secrets that you can hold onto as a head football. Coach. But I don't believe that the guy ended up would would even entertain anything about Kirby smart because he knows the relationship to saving and stuff like that. So these guys are going to have not only what they learn. But the connection they have is going to be a probably a factor in in recruiting course, there's not that many head coaches now, but as more and more come along that may be a problem for well. You know, we're talking about two different things. I mean, I'm talking about recruiting, and you're talking about some something ferry which you know, Mark Emery, the president the answer the way, I think a lot. Yeah. I think he's concerned about bettering himself. I think the lines about him and saving are overblown. Thank you for the call. Do. Appreciate it. Robert in Texas on the air. Go right ahead. Hey, robert. Yes. Hello, sir. Hello, miss Pham and say Hello to all my SEC cousins out there. The reason for my call is where I worked got into this conversation about the New Orleans game. And they called it the worst call in sports history. I had to disagree and say no it happened in nineteen seventy two at the USA USSR men's gold medal basketball game. Well, I got stunned silence from the crowd when I realized oh, wait they're all born after nineteen seventy two. So I know you're alive and said, you're not I would listen, I totally agree with you. I mean what you saw in the in the saints Rams game. Was just a terrible call. It was a no call. Yeah. I don't know how the official missed it. He did which but I mean. Yeah, it was just it was just a pure. Incompetence? It was nothing more than that. The guy didn't see it. He didn't see what everyone else saw what happened in one thousand nine hundred seventy two was was just absolute robbery. You had you had an official steal the game from the from the USA basketball team. I mean, literally three seconds of. Yeah. I mean, I it it would rank as the most egregious thing I've ever seen and then the. USOC backing it up, and it's just even even but but again, you expect that from that organization now excuse me, not the USOC, but the the IOC, and you know, I it will forever. Be it. I I have talked to people that were in that game on the American side that still can't talk about it. And what was that nearly fifty years ago? Yes there. That's why I got stunned. Silence. From my co workers, who they believe me know, anyone who wants to argue that just go just go look it up their books written about it. There's you can watch the video in real time. I watched it live as I'm sure you did. And and I mean, it was one of the lowest moments in sports history. In was just it was just tragic really to. It's one thing to lose lose a basketball game for the gold medal. It's another thing to literally have it stolen from you. I mean in the worst possible way up against a break. We'll find out more about the Tennessee basketball team. I think you can tell. There's a lot of buzz about that. We'll talk a little bit about the women tonight too. Because they play a critical game concerning the future of Holly Warlick's, we are taking your phone calls as well. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Let's consider the secret life of the innermost nesting doll living, most of her life in the dock inside the other nesting Dole's. He has plenty of time to think if we could sadly, she has no brain, however, when an in a most nesting dole, his gyco not only saves people money, but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years. She thinks it's obvious. You should switch because. Yes. Switching to gyco is a no brainer pity in most nesting Dollond her lot in life. We're back here on the programming. Glad you are too. Well last night in Nashville, we saw one of the most exciting basketball games of the young season. Will the youngest sees I should say west Rucker was there to cover it and always great to catch up with him west, you cut your breath. That was quite a ball game last night at memorial gymnasium. Good afternoon. Any all you doing today? Yeah. That was a great great game last night. I mean that was everything that she thinking in state while we like tendency Vanderbilt should be mostly Tennessee's game at Memphis overly the season. It was really good atmosphere. Lots of fans from both teams. And it was it was a really really fun basketball game. You know, I read what what you said in your column today about the controversial call we've already had some chatter about that here on the program. Could you break that down? And I mean, it looked terrible on television. But I didn't have the rule book out like you did. And I mean, I know you supported the call. Call. But but in real time it looked like a bad call. Yeah. I hear it this way. Paul. I didn't like the call. But it was the right call you know, that that hook and hold emphasis is a big thing that they said going into the season about you know, if you've kinda got somebody who going up for a rebound underneath them. You've got you've gotta get dislodged before that person goes up, and he didn't do it. And that play was put in there to kind of prevent those, you know, head injuries and dislocated shoulders and things guys get because these guys are leaping forty inches off the ground, and they fell down and hurt themselves. So I don't love the call especially in that situation. But when you go back and look at the monitor it was the right call, and if you're going to go to a monitor you don't really have the the opportunity as referee to say it's late in the game. I'm going to let that go. If you go to the monitor and there's evidence you have to make the call. So I didn't love it. But it was like all okay. Other than that. This is now not to harp on this. But Tennessee's now the number one team in the country scrutiny will come. The second game in a row. They've they've come within a hiccup of losing against an unranked team, obviously, Alabama a little bit more -ccomplish with a win over Kentucky. Vanderbilt. We know we know the narrative there is this anything to be concerned about or is it is Tennessee just dealing with the vagaries of the SEC in late January. Somewhere probably in between those Paul. I think it's something that needs to be on everyone's radar, but I wouldn't call it a concern. Just yet, you know, the the fact is this team last season was elite defensively and and pretty good offensively right now this season with the same group of guys. Basically they've been elite offensively I think second nationally offense efficiency, but they just been kinda. Okay. Top thirtyish defensively. And it's the same group of guys. And you saw the Alabama game Vanderbilt game when they needed to get stops late. They went back and kind of channel that phone from last season and they made the plays. But where is that during during the game itself? So yeah, I mean, I think that's part of it. But also, I think Tennessee in the second half of that game. I don't think the defense was terrible. I think the defense was terrible for parts of the first half Advani get in the game and get rhythm. And then once that happened, and you started making crazy shots and all kinds of great place. So I think the fault is in letting them get going. Not where they got. But. Yeah, I mean, you're number one you're going to everyone's best shot. I think Barnes for the best. That's the that's the bed. They've made for themselves. And now they're going to have to get used to because I'd say Bobby hugging or Huggins must Virginia. They're going to do the same thing. They're gonna come in there and play physical and they're going to get a great show. And then they go to Carolina next week. And it's the same thing. So yeah, I mean, they're going to have to get used to this. This is there like West Virginia coming off a big win. Let me ask you about grant Williams. And I realized the people around the very familiar with them especially after his season a year ago. But there was the people around the country who are going like what in the world is going on here. Give us the backstory on grant. And and just what makes him tick because that was an amazing performance. It was Paul and he's been you know, maybe not to that level, but he's been playing sort like that for the past two seasons. And he's the guy who came North Carolina Charlotte and a lot of people kind of thought he was a tweeter. Prospects. You know, none of the none of the North Carolina. Power. Wanted him Kentucky Kansas the those programs. They never sniffed him. And he was gonna go to the Ivy league. He was he's a really smart kid as my merchant NASA. You know, the kids speaks three languages play seven years ago instruments. He was a nationally ranked chess player when he was young. He's just a really kinda renaissance kid, and he does a lot of things. But people thought he may not have the the body. You may not have the size and that loses to play at the highest levels. But he's proved all that wrong because red barn saw him as a prospect and saw him make one spinning moving a dunk in a game and said, wait that is a great athlete, and he started pursuing him or and Tennessee convinced him to not go to Harvard or Yale Princeton or any of those and he came to Tennessee, and he's kind of blossomed he's an elite athlete for that size. He's really quick. He's really smart, and he's tough. And he's a guy who's got a great offense of game to me. He started to look a little bit like quotas. Williamson people every time you see a slightly undersized power for making plays in the SEC. People always go Barkley Barkley. He's the next Barkley now. I don't think he's not at all. I think he's more of the corals Williamson. And I think he's a guy who is gonna keep producing at this level. So it comes out of providence day in Charlotte, which is produced athletes in the past. And you know, he's he's literally down the road from the mecca of college basketball either side of the street, you wanna to go whether it's Chapel Hill or Durham did any of those schools. I know you said they didn't really pay any attention. Did they did they have minimal interest or no interest? Very little interest. I think is a good way to put up all they I think Jay Bill will be able to tell you to because he's, you know, lives in that area and is really involved with basketball and that area, and he knew grant pretty well. And he thought he was kind of a, you know, mid major type recruit coming out of high school. He just didn't quite think that Williams had the, you know, the the size and athleticism and quickness combination to play on the perimeter certainly at that level. And he didn't think he'd be big enough to go inside. I think he thought he was a good player, but certainly not an elite player, but that whole that's the story of this entire Tennessee team. I I don't know that there's any way to go back and look at this. I don't think there's an Elias sports bureau for this. But I don't know how many teams have ever been number one nationally without a single top one hundred prospect on the roster now, that's just amazing. The the player development. They've had with these guys. You you go down the list, you know, all those guys they've got none of them had Kentucky Duke you as he offers. No, they just were. We're fringe prospects. On the Rick Barnes in the staff sauce things they liked they develop them and here they are is that changing now. And I know that the big players are starting to look at that. But you you start getting a different type of player in that system. Does it does it upsets a balance of what retry to accomplish? I don't think that remains to be seen. But I have a feeling that won't be the case just finished. He's bringing in a five star kid next year jobs. I James who everybody wanted and he was a kid who he's from run down the road there. From from the triumph area motor Alana there in Charleston and the dad play the Michigan state and Michigan state wanted him. But he loves grant Williams, and he picked Tennessee. So, you know, they're starting to get those kinds of guys again. But I think if you go back to the end of ribons tenure at Texas, and he noticed things starting to go sideways when he looked up in the culture, just wasn't what it used to be when he got when he first got there, and he's sort of built that scrappy underdog mentality early on in Texas, and they won big. And then he started the culture kind of start to erode. And so when he got Tennessee, he was really really particular about the the kinds of guys he took from a character standpoint from an unselfishness standpoint from a coach ability standpoint, there's a certain type of guy now. That he's looking for. And I've said it before I'll say it again, quite that old teen and Seinfeld when he talks about, you know, you reach a certain age you put the car in reverse, and you just don't look back anymore. You're just going. That's how Rick Barnes is now recruiting he's gonna put the car reverse. And he's not looking I if he sees something he doesn't like he's going the other way. And I think that is why there might be more sustainability at the situation in Tennessee. Because I think he knows exactly what kind of guys you want. Now. What's quick question before you go because for so many years we had the opposite being true, the tip assists of of what we have. Now, we had women's basketball ruling, the roost number one in the country. And the men's were struggling does this change the calculus at all what we're seeing from coach Barnes with the Holly Warlick's situation, and she's facing the number one team in the country and women's basketball tonight. Sure. I mean, you can use any word you want. Embattled, you know, Ossie whatever word the phrase you wanna use. I mean, that's certainly what Hollywood let's face and right now and nobody's happy about the situation fall. She's a former Tennessee star. She's from Knoxville her jerseys in the rafters in Tennessee. She was patch right hand. They're out that ten year she's beloved in this area, but that program has standard, and it's clearly not being met. They're losing it historic levels right now. And if that doesn't turn around soon they're going to have to make change because you run the risk of of letting this go on much longer and the lady all stop being the lady balls, and that that becomes a problem because you can still go into any room in America anywhere that you walk into any Jim with the lady of all shirt on as a prospect. You're gonna start looking at those coaches right now, they're they're kinda starting to almost maybe moves down a little bit. And that's when you get into real trouble. You start to lose a culture and density. And that's when you kind of get. Lobbed back in with the masses. Yeah. Then when you start losing at home and on the road, and it's it doesn't really even cause a stir that the mystique is long gone west many. Thanks, great conversation. Really? Appreciate it. Hope you'll come back soon. Anytime Paul, you know, that you got a fantastic conversation. There about the hot team right now, the Tennessee volunteers, we will take a break. More to come as we continue here on a Thursday listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Welcome back. Let's continue with more calls here. And Ken is in Nashville. How are you? Can I'm doing by Paul thanks for taking the call. Thank you. Just re- regarding their call in the van de Tennessee game last night. My thought was that had that happened in the first half? There wouldn't have been any call. And it seems to me that there's a bit of over officiating in the last minute or so of a lot of these games. And I just wondering what you're eating was about. I listen, I heard what west said, and I thought he did a nice job of explaining the rule, and it is a rule that you have to follow. But I just know in real time. I thought it was a terrible call. But again, I I don't have I do have the luxury flay, but it's it's a call that shouldn't have been made. Well, do you do you think that there there is a change in the officiating when it gets down to the down here? I don't know why I'm trying to come up with a reason why the officials other than just calling it. I mean, we're talking about a great player there. But usually the home team would get some advantage there. It's not, and I I know Tennessee's number one of the country. But you know, you don't expect they're not in that Kentucky realm where you expect them to get a call that maybe someone else wouldn't. So that's that even perplex me more. Okay. Thank you gotta live with it. And unfortunately. Vandy is Carol is in Pennsylvania. Hello, carol. Welcome to our show. Hi, thanks. Oh, we've been listening to your show, and you made a comment earlier that John Adams believes that the powers that be don't want an elite program for the lady falls anymore. If that's the case what a slap in the face. What he said based on what they didn't do last year by retaining Holly Warlick's. Maybe I didn't explain it completely. But he was saying by by by not doing anything they were indicating that they really don't have a higher a high standard. You're right. The the question is, you know, would Pat summitt tolerated. What's going on right now? And the answer you, and I both know is no no way Jose, you're right. Well, all I got some fired herself. If team was losing like this. Oh, we have we have season tickets for the lady vol's, and we. We have said more than once Pat would have been screaming her head these girls for their lack of defense, and everything, you know, the problem is I think Holly Warlick is coaching as well as she can. She's just not relating based on and I'm listening. I'm not watch a couple of games. I watch a couple of games this year. I haven't I missed the first part of the season. But what I've seen in the last three games. And I've seen all three of them has been pretty bad. Yeah. We're really disappointed. I mean, if they getting of the season they were playing some not top of the line scheduled teams. Like Pat used to do and they looked you know, we loved watching them. And as soon as made hit your on what you have to do and talk me about this program. Now, you cannot use what I've done and everyone else is done by talking about the past. You have to talk about the present. It doesn't matter. What happens two three four five or six years ago? All that matters is what is happening now and what will happen the remainder of the season. Thank you very much for the call. We we've come to the end of this segment with Akyol for being a part of the program.

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How to Do Financial Planning

Money For the Rest of Us

28:12 min | 7 months ago

How to Do Financial Planning

"Welcome to money for the rest of us. This is a personal finance show on money how it works how to invest how to live without worrying about it. I'm your host David Stein. Today's episode three Oh three. It's titled how to go about Financial Planning. I recently received an email from a new member of money for the rest of US plus he wrote I have listened off and on to your podcast for the last six years, and finally upgraded to your plus features. Recently, my main reason for doing so is I'm stuck between two investment narratives that are becoming increasingly divergent in thought. As I struggled to reconcile the two. I'm hoping your podcast can play the role of mediator. My current financial adviser who I am very happy with and have been with for fifteen years. He espoused his conventional institutional investment mantra and has delivered mid single digit returns. So predictably I rode the two thousand, eight, two thousand nine recession down thirty four percent, and then have ridden it back up. He always has convincing arguments to dissuade me from pursuing alternative speculative investments such as Gold Bitcoin CETERA. I have a well diversified portfolio made up of conventional equity asset classes. Here's the second narrative he writes. The other extreme are a random collection of podcast that I find myself drawn to which highlight the extreme precariousness of the American economy, and specifically the US dollar with the emerging threat of the Chinese Yuan Kovic Nineteen. Ushering in you Bi Qe, infinity and social upheaval, due to extreme income disparities among other concerns. These podcasters sound reasonable, logical and all operate off of fundamentals. My same guiding principles as an engineer by training I'm sure you're familiar with some of these. The investors podcast and various guests that investors podcast interviews such as Jim, rickards Luke Roman, grant Williams and Ray allio although I don't think Stig Preston. Have actually interviewed Ray Dallaglio. The theme of all these guys who I called. Chicken littles is our system is broken, and it's simply a matter of time before it will be replaced either with the Chinese you want were oil as the basis for a new monetary standard gold or BITCOIN. Even going so far to compare current America with Venezuela and the Walmart Republic from Nineteen Thirties Germany. At the end of the day, I need to rationalize these two disparate viewpoints into an asset allocation that accommodates both perspectives. Now, these are the same questions that I deal with in my investing. It's one reason I've done episodes on some of those topics. Here's what he would like. My perspective on the validity of these chicken. Little themes promoted in these podcast. He writes clearly there is a non zero probability of these events happening, but is it zero point one percent, one percent, ten percent or fifty percent? He wants to know this shortcomings of conventional financial advisers, and how to effectively using adviser. He like me, discuss my overall asset allocation philosophy. And why I have such a small percentage in stocks, and what would cause me to increase my allocation to stocks now regarding these what he calls chicken, little themes I've recommended the investors podcast on this show stig. Burleson is a good friend of mine and I've discussed the views of Ray. Dally most recently in episode three hundred I discussed James rickards views, an episode forty nine. Luke Romans views and to sixty. Grant, Williams. He's the CO founder of Real Vision, which is a video service where you can watch and listen to interviews with many of the individuals that this new plus member mentioned. Real vision was an early sponsor of money for the rest of us and I've covered these themes often on because they are plausible. Most recently in episode, Two Ninety Five, and we talked about the potential for the Federal Reserve to go insolvent. Unfortunately, we can't put a probability to these things happening. They are uncertain and things that are uncertain by definition. You can't assign probabilities to know. I think it's a possibility. But it is not my base case. My base case is that we just keep plodding along like we have been for decades. Before, we continue, let me pause and share some words from a longtime sponsor to the show policy genius. With everything going on right now. A lot of people are asking if it's even possible to buy life insurance at all, the short answer is yes. You can buy life insurance during a pandemic, and if you have loved ones depending on your income, you probably should. 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Genus will find you the best rate and handle the process completely. They'll get you and your family protected and hopefully give you one less thing to worry about. Whenever you hear someone share a logical view of disastrous things that could happen. We always have to step back and ask what other incentives. What is their business model? Do they have a newsletter that they're selling a subscription service? Are they selling books? That doesn't necessarily mean they have a conflict of interest, but we want to understand. What's their model? My model is I. Do a podcast and I have plus membership and one of the most important things that I do in that plus membership which I think, all individuals that are sharing their investment and financial views should do. Is Show their portfolio. Show me what you're holding in your portfolio. That's why this member could ask me. Why do I have so little invested in stocks which I'll get to in a few minutes? One of our challenges to figure out well. How do we potentially plan for catastrophic things that could happen, but may not and probably will not. I actually to a recent episode on the investors podcast with Luke Roman, and grant Williams. And one of the things that struck me is how frequently? They said they didn't know about specific things. They didn't know why. The dollar wasn't weakening or other events. Because we don't know. which gets to some of the shortcomings of traditional financial advisers? There are many terms for people that provide financial and investment advice, financial adviser, an inch of planner investment advisor. Is A lot of overlap? This member used the term financial adviser for the individual. He has had a relationship with for the past fifteen years. I'm not sure to what extent he's done. Financial Planning Buddies certainly has provided investment advice, which is what an investment advisor will do. Sometimes, financial planners provide investment advice. Now I am not a financial planner. I have never hired a financial planner I've managed assets for the clients of financial planners and I've spoken to many financial planners over the years and analyze the different financial planning software that they use. One of the smartest financial planners I know is a good friend of Mine Roger Whitney. He is the host of the retirement podcast retirement, answer, man and the agile financial planner podcast. Rogers spent more than twenty five years working with individuals over h fifty, helping them transition into retirement. Last December. He had extensive guest post on Michael kisses. Log Michael kisses is also a very well known financial planner. In that post, Roger contrasted traditional financial planning with what he has labeled agile financial planning. He described traditional. Financial Planning is where you ask the client to complete comprehensive questionnaires. And, then he says the visor takes the questionnaire up to the proverbial mountain, and eventually comes back down with the tablets, burdensome comprehensive plans often hundreds of pages long. And then the advisors sits down with the client for hours and reviews these binders and the recommendations and a multi step financial process. Then the client often takes these leather bound tomes as he said the plan and put it on the shelf. Check the mental box and ignore. Now obviously not all advisors do that. But that's often what happens. You Hire Advisor? They give you a plan, and then it becomes this document that sits there. He contrast that with Agile Financial Planning. True Financial Planning is no longer a product. It's a fluid. Never. Ending project focused on managing change. And the first principle is to accept uncertainty. To recognize as he writes financial planning precision does not equal more accuracy because the future is a novel. We talked about that last week. Investing is not knowing we just don't know. The basis of agile financial planning is to accept that we do not know. We're not sure what happened to markets taxes inflation. Our even our lives. And he mentioned that by accepting that frees up a lot of mental space that is focused on trying to predict accurately. What's going to happen in instead? We can focus on the new information that is coming as life unfolds and make small incremental decisions along the way. Little adjustments is how he puts it. That's how I invest. In I'll share my performance based on that I don't know if the dollar is going to crash or if it's going to soar. I don't know what's going to happen and I want my investing, and how I approach financial planning to reflect that. Roger points out that traditional planning focuses on the plan that one roadmap to follow. or where, whereas his process is much more collaborative working with the client on ongoing basis having short meetings. Constantly, communicating, making smaller decisions as things happen. It's been eight years since I quit my investment firm and went out on my own, sometimes calling myself retired sometimes, not calling myself retired, but having a nest egg, and having to plan for the next fifty years. There's no way the time length was too long. So I take it one year at a time. The planning is about managing change as new information comes in. I call that investing and planning on the leading edge of the present. Adapting as things change, both financially with the market, but also within our personal lives. I got an email from another plus member that wrote about how these last three months have allowed him to test drive. His financial planned his two pages long. He has a two page plan. He updates it regularly. His target allocation is sixty percent stocks and forty percent bonds fixed income. He writes. What is written in my plan is that I should shift monies from these two buckets to maintain the sixty. Forty split. In January I sold equities about two percent and bought more bonds. I followed my own plan precisely as written however in mid March when my equity percentages was down to about fifty five percent and bond for forty five percent I couldn't pull the trigger to sell bonds and equities. If anything I wanted to buy more bonds. He said the lesson he learned is that he's not comfortable with a sixty forty split between stocks and bonds. So. We gradually has shifted to fifty fifty bounds. That's okay to fine. Tune it. That's what he was doing. He was test driving his plan. He was adapting not out of fear. Not, trying to time it, but to come up with a different allocation. He also pointed out that he has three and a half years of essential living expenses in very safe and liquid stable funds. My understanding is that is separate from the sixty forty piece, so he has this cash balance or very low response that he lives on in that he says helps them sleep better at night. I think that we should use an agile financial planning process that's adaptable. That is focusing on managing change as opposed to having the plan that is fixed. Before we continue. Let me pause and share some words from this week sponsors. There are so many benefits to lifelong learning, and that's why I love the great courses plus. It allows you to expand your curious mind to build upon your skills. Improve Your memory and self-confidence. The list goes on the great courses plus was created for the life long learner in all of us. This streaming service provides access to thousands of fascinating fact based lectures across almost any topic imaginable, and these courses are taught by world, leading professors and puts. Explore topics like the stock market, the great trials of world history, and even how to play the piano or cook. I recommend you check out. This course is the art of investing lessons from history's greatest traders led by John M Longo and he has lessons on great investors such as Benjamin Graham Warren Buffett John Bogel Seth Clarkson Hetty Green. Encourage you to check out this course and continue your journey as a lifelong learner by signing up for the great courses plus. They're offering money for the rest of US listeners after their entire library for free. But to start your free trial, you must sign up today using this special. Don't wait. Go to the great courses plus dot. com slash, David. That's the great courses plus dot com slash David. I thought about this in a different context I read an article in the Financial Times by Rana for ru Har-. She's a columnist and associate editor. It was about big food, and how agriculture has become incredibly efficient. She pointed out US farmers have nearly tripled their per acre production over the past seventy years and have become increasingly specialized. So much specialize in terms of the supply chain that we saw shortages of food at the grocery store during this crisis at the same time, we saw farmers destroying crops, because some farmers were part of the supermarket food chain, while others supported restaurants and institutions such as schools and hospitals, and they weren't mixed, and they couldn't adapt the supply chain fast enough to meet the huge demand. She mentioned the most efficient product out. There is iceberg lettuce. which she describes one of the most ubiquitous and tasteless vegetables ever created. It's been a major cash crop in the US for fifty years, and it travels well across the country. Initially, it was it was put in actual ice as it traveled across, but it has very few nutrients, and it's mostly water in an example of super efficient, but not necessarily the end product we want. She discussed moving from efficiency to resilience. and. That's kind of the difference in traditional financial planning. It's focused on efficiency. Let's get this plan down. Let's create an efficient frontier and figure out the optimal asset mix in optimal plan. Whereas Agile financial planning is focused on being more flexible, being more resilient. In the conclusion of my book money for the rest of US ten questions to master success investing I wrote. Portfolio management is not about accurately predicting the future or outsmarting other investors. It is the process of combining multiple acid categories that contribute to a positive returned. That earns more than the rate of inflation while minimizing the personal financial harm caused by major market drawdowns. Per fully management is about understanding the math, an emotion of investing and recognizing. There isn't a right answer. A perfectly optimized portfolio. Just as there aren't optimized flower or vegetable gardens. I use an asset garden approach when it comes to my allocation I want a variety, and it's not optimized, but it is organized. In that conclusion, I talked about the word satisfying, which is a word coined by the Economist Herbert Alexander Simon. Words a combination of satisfy and suffice. It means to make a good enough decision, not an optimal. So in looking at my portfolio. I have four buckets. Currently twenty two percent is stock like risk with expect returns in the six to eight percent range. That includes publicly traded stocks. which is low about four to five percent of my net worth? Preferred stocks. Real Estate Investment Trust. Yield Coz. Master Limited Partnerships. And private capital funds which are alternative investments like we discussed in last week's episode three one. These are asset classes that have stock like returns, but really stock like maximum drawdowns anywhere from thirty to sixty percent. Now on money for the rest was plastic a segment those between stocks and income strategies in my personal portfolio I just I call them stock like because they can fall significantly in price, but have a higher expected return. Now that bucket right? Now's twenty two percent. At, the beginning of the year it was twenty nine percent, and that's kind of the range. It's been for the last few years kind of twenty to thirty percent. But publicly traded stocks are just one part of that. The next bucket is what I call lending strategies. That's twenty four percent of my allocation, and at the beginning of the year it was thirty three percent. That includes traditional lending such as bonds, but also direct lending strategies where I've lent money that's backed by real estate and other assets where I'm effectively acting like a bank and holding a mortgage. This bucket includes fixed. Income closed end funds. So. These are income generating primarily interest income. I have thirty percent in real estate including land in. That's about what it was in the beginning of the year. And one of the things that I've noticed in the eight years since I left. My advisory firm is how comforting is just own some land. That doesn't generate any cash flow. We. have some farm ground that generates a little bit. The taxes are super-low. And there is some peace of mind knowing a portion of your net worth is just there. And will be protected against inflation. Or if there's a currency crash in your home currency. So that's about thirty percent of my net worth. And then currently I've twenty four percent in cash and cash alternatives and includes five percent goal two percent cryptocurrencies. It's twenty four percent now. It's was at eight percent at the beginning of the year. Now being in the air, nine percentage points that twenty four percent was in lending, strategies and seven percent was in stocks I. Reduced Risk as investment. Conditions deteriorated this year. A reduced credit risk and I pulled some money out of stocks and bonds. But I still have twenty two percent of my allocation, my stock like bucket down from twenty nine percent at the beginning of the year. But my longer term target and again, this isn't optimized. If investment conditions are neutral to bullish I gentlemen. We'll have thirty percent stock like investments, thirty percent lending strategy slash fixed income. Thirty percent real estate. And ten percent in cash and cash alternatives. That's the allegation that I have grown to become comfortable with. And my goal and I should have mentioned this at the beginning this preservation of capital. I want my net worth to increase by the rate of inflation including business profits that I have. That's all I'm trying to do. I just want the nest egg to keep pace with inflation so that someday when I draw upon it, it's there. But this allocation is flexible enough that no matter what happens, I can make some adjustments. If one of those remote possibilities that grant Williams Luke, Roman or others of worried about radio. An upset. Three hundred I have a flexible enough allocation that I can make adjustments as things change without trying to predict what's going to happen. So this members final question is what would cause me to increase my allocation stocks. Well when you consider my stock like bucket, it's only about eight percentage points underweight. My quasi long-term Target If, investment conditions improve when they improve, I'll increasement allocation which I did. I mention that last week I allocated more to preferred stock and dividend, paying smaller company stocks in Japan and the US. An incremental change as conditions have changed. And so while I'm fascinated by these theories of what could happen and what central banks are doing. What currencies doing geopolitical risk? I don't let it drive my investing. I want different buckets. Different roles different types of risk. Assets that protect against inflation assets that can grow as capitalism continues to evolve. Asset classes to generate income in order to live on. Diversification and different roles. This particular member has ten percent in gold and CRYPTO currencies. Has that as a target I think that's reasonable. I have no idea how much gold grant Williams has. Maybe he shows his portfolio. I don't know how much Gold Ray Dallaglio owns. I'm willing to share with you every month. What I own the trade I make because I think that's part of being transparent. Out How to allocate our assets in a world of uncertainty is one of the things that I have focused on and continue to focus on over the last eight years, and on the Plus membership site I'm rethinking and redoing every single video and the portfolio and asset allocation tools. To help you better, make these decisions if you're a do it yourself investor, or if you're working with a financial adviser. That is a challenging exercise because at the end of the day, do have to choose to invest in something. We can't just stay in cash. We do have to have different roles, which means we do need to understand different classes. What's the upside of those asset types? What's the downside? And how do we combine them together, not an optimized fashion, but in a way that allows us to be agile and flexible and resilient. That's what investing is. And that's episode three Oh three. 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02/24: Texas Tech obliterates Kansas; Duke's dandy without Zion; Ole Miss players take a knee during the national anthem

CBS Sports Eye On College Basketball Podcast

49:01 min | 2 years ago

02/24: Texas Tech obliterates Kansas; Duke's dandy without Zion; Ole Miss players take a knee during the national anthem

"Hey there. It's scary pairs at Sunday, February twenty four two thousand nineteen welcome back to the eye on college basketball podcast will sometimes discuss Campbell fighting and leaky black Matt norlander is here within there were a bunch of impressive performances this weekend. Duke won at Syracuse by double digits without Zion Virginia one at level by double digits while hold in the cardinals. Fifteen second half points. Kentucky blasted Auburn by twenty seven points at Rupp arena. LSU beat Tennessee, even though waters did not play North Carolina snap, far too states. Eight game winning streak with an eighteen point win over the seminals. Michigan state went into Michigan shorthanded and one we're gonna get to some of that probably most of that at some point in this podcast. But I want to start with the most impressive performance of the weekend from a point spread perspective and a nationally relevant game. And that was Texas Tech's ninety one sixty two beatdown of Kansas. Texas Tech was a four and a half point favorite one by twenty. Nine so that covered by twenty four and a half points. And now Bill self jayhawks are two games back at Kansas state and one game back at Texas Tech in the big twelve standings. They're tied for third with four regular season games. Laugh Norrland two questions. How awesome was Texas Tech's Saturday night? And are you finally ready to write a eulogy for K U streak of big twelve titles because it's a problem? It's probably about the die. You know, I am. So sick of the Kansas question. But you know, what this is what you get. If you can't. And you win fourteen in a row. This is this question's just going to get thrown out there. I'm not ready. I will I will be ready. Finally, if Kansas does not win at home Monday night against Kansas state that is a huge game. The biggest game of Monday case. There's gotta go on the road there and remember Kansas lost against K state back earlier this month a relatively decent game there. So that's that's a big one. And then they're on the road against Oklahoma state and Oklahoma both winnable for Kansas, even with the shorthand roster. And then they get Baylor home to finish. I think it's completely plausible maybe not more likely than not. But it is plausible that Kansas does not lose a league game again finishes with five losses. Overall and five losses to me is going to put you at the top of the standings in this conference. Probably sharing it with the least one more team. But that's where I stand. If k you loses on Monday night, then I'm done then it's over they're going to have three. They're going to have a three game deficit in the loss. Column will not be able to make that up, but I will stick with that for now. Astra Texas Tech extremely impressive. They are the inverse of Villanova Villanova was batter Lee really good in the middle. And now have lost four or five and the Wildcats are complete mystery like the least trustworthy top thirty ish team. If you wanted to find them that in the country, whereas Texas Tech started well dropped KOMO competitive game than than the final score indicates and back to Duke right before Christmas. I can't believe that it's been more than two months. That game was played the season is para Cecile. Parisi's is zipping by then they take the lull like Michigan state who will get to an a little bit dropped three in a row lose a game in horrible fashion at Kansas earlier this month, and since then it's been back to winning ways. Fifty fifty four fifty sixty one sixty two those are the opponents totals against Texas Tech, which is reclaimed its spot as the best defense in America. What it did to Kansas was a complete asking. That was extremely extremely impressive. And now Texas Tech schedule wraps up like this in regular season home to Oklahoma state. That's w that's a win at TCU. That's a loss. Home to Texas. That's a win at Iowa State. I don't know. I was state's not trustworthy, all that. Well, either. But Texas Tech is back in in fine form, and whereas this team made the elite eight last season, I have belief that it can get back. They're not saying I'm gonna pick them to do that. But man, they're really coming together. And Jalen really, Well, Matt Mooney. The South Dakota grad transfer is now shooting forty percent from three they've got other guys who can shoot it from deep. And when you've got that, plus the defense, very very impressive and a little bit. I don't wanna say parachute was lost over the weekend. But with all the hype and all this stuff and some of the notable games felt maybe like the Texas stuff might have just breezed past some folks. So I'm glad we opened with that to your point about Monday night's game between canes Kansas state being huge. You can't overstate how big it is. Because as you noted if if Kansas loses that game, I it's basically game set match because Kansas state within have three game lead over Kansas, which is three games left to play. Which would mean any additional Kansas state win or Kansas loss would end it officially in two of? Issues. Final three games are home games against unranked, Baylor and unranked, Oklahoma, both Baylor and Oklahoma are sub thirty Kim pom teams. And for whatever it's worth Kansas state has not lost at home to a sub thirty Kim Kim pong team all season. So it seems unlikely they do it twice in the final eight days of the regular season. Right. So I do think if Kansas state goes into Alan Phil house and wins that that's it. Even if Kansas wins Monday night, though. I mean. Yeah. The only about on it this way. I think the only chance they got to even share it at this point is to win out because that would keep them at five wins. But they would still five losses, but they would still need Texas Tech to lose somewhere. And you went through that schedule. I don't know that they're gonna lose anywhere. They shared that won't lose. If they've been playing if they keep playing the way they've been playing they've won five straight big twelve games by an average of twenty five points. And that includes the beatdown of Kansas. So it's not guaranteed that Texas Tech's even take a fifth league loss. But I sure as hell don't think they're going to get to six Lee losses. So Kansas got went out, and it is from probabilities perspective. It's unlikely they're going to unlikely. But I was state's good enough to do what they're just an enigma. They've been an underachieving team as of late have the cyclone. So we'll see on that. But the big twelve, hey, we've got some real uncertainty true uncertainty down the stretch here. We'll we'll wait and see Duke won at Syracuse without Zion Williams and on Saturday night. 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Took twenty shots made fourteen with thirty point seven assists, five rebounds, led the team in points, and assists and more than anything. I sorta wrote about this CBS sports dot com. It was a reminder this game. Maybe we didn't need a reminder, but it served as a reminder that even when Zion Williamson is out Duke still has the best player on the floor every game. It plays. No matter who it plays his name's RJ Barrett. I mean, he was he's going to be a first team all American should be right there with with Zion. Williamson would you agree with that? I would not agree with that. Right. At this moment parish. I'm not putting it out of hand. I think it is possible. But there's a lot of good dudes out there. I actually think that the first team all America race is developing into something. That's really fun. You're right in that any game that Duke plays. Art, if Zion on the floor, RJ's, the most talented do almost almost definitely but. Give them doing. I think Brennan Clark's gonna be in the mix there. If Texas Tech wins the big twelve Jarrett culverts going to compete for that. Grant Williams or PJ Washington. If one of those teams have one seed, Marcus Howard is in the mix. I don't think that John rant is a sure thing, but GP if he averages twenty and ten he'll be the first player ever to do that. So he's going to clearly be in the mix there as well. And so it's a matter of those guys. Hey, caches Winston with what he did today. If Michigan state doesn't lose again, he's there. So it's a matter of like do not design Archie would cancel each other out. But it's going to be bumping up against other players. And then it's the voting contingent that would be willing to say I'm gonna put two guys on the team as opposed to having one guy from different teams. For what it's worth at the Kim palm player of the year ratings. Zayn Williamson is number one and has number two Barrett is number three two players in the top three. There you curious. The rest of the top ten Jarrett covert Carson Edwards. Brandon Clark caches Winston Ryuhei Mira grant Williams and Marcus Howard as always we'll see. But I think if I had to turn in ballot for first America's today, it would have both Zayn Williamson and RJ Barrett on it trivia time. When was the last time one team had to first team Americans? This is a first of all I'm proud of you because you know, what that is not only relevant to this gushing. That is a great question. And I would also note perish if we had to file right now. I would put Diana and RJ on my first team. But I wanna see how the rest of the season plays out what he did in. Syracuse was awesome. The last team to have to I Email, America's okay? I I question is this has happened within the past two decades. Yes. Okay. Just okay to first teamers. And I'm being specific here Almer. Yes. Yes. Yes. Do you feel as though the answer is is relatively gettable given as someone who covers college basketball or maybe like a little bit of the sneaker one. You'll either get it. Or when I tell you you go. Oh, yeah. Of course. All right. Gimme three guesses. My first one. This is a blind. Guess just because it's a recent team that to good players. I don't think it's right though, did decker and Kaminsky. Both be I Email Americans. That is not. Okay. My second guess than is. I don't. Okay. Perish. My second guess is. There's just no I'm not I'm not going to get the one. I'm not even gonna put it out there. This is a great question. GP? No one from. No, no one did. Did you? Did hanbro share it with anyone UNC? Am I in the right mind, the right right church there you, and I will tell you that if hands borough did do it with somebody, and I'm not I don't know. Whether he did it has happened more recently than when he was in college. Happen. Okay. So wouldn't have been the hands, bro. I don't feel like Kansas would have had two guys share it. Parish like you guy. Tell me when I think I think you have me stumped here because I don't feel like any of the like, it would've it would've. I feel like it was only towns, and it was only Anthony Davis. So I don't think either the Kentucky wants did it. So you stumped me and shafts. If any listeners got this as I've been mulling this in real time, particularly the fans of the scene, they probably know it. But who is it? You were on your own the right path, you ahead of the right direction. But you gave up two thousand ten Kentucky. John wall, DeMarcus cousins, I wanna I wanna walk off this podcast right now. Name to Kentucky and didn't go to two thousand ten John wall and DeMarcus cousins who else was the first Americans AP all Americans. Let me let me get twenty ten. Yeah. Which Jim or good enough to be an all American that year. No. I mean, he might have been when he was not a first team all American that would have been the Duke won it. I feel like no one on duke's team would have been good enough. No one on Butler would have been good enough twenty ten who else was good. That was not now that was. Twenty ten I I wanna say that was. 'cause I'm trying to remember when I it was before I got the CBS show. I think that might have been Evan Turner here. Maybe Evan Turner was the year before though. Is one of them. What's up? Evan Turner is one of. So I need to more. She's gettable names or no there gettable. Neither one went onto have any sort of. Good NBA career both played in. What was both played in the big east twenty ten big east. I was thinking no way. We're not thinking the guy that went down in the in the final four for West Virginia. I we. No, no, no, no, no one. Okay. I'll give you one was a transfer transferred into a big program. Played I believe just one year there. That's that's that helps me in no way. Not remembering a twenty ten transfer GP both in the big east. I don't know give it up give it up who isn't west Johnson Syracuse. He was a first team all American earth team AP all American teammates that year was scoop Giardina and Brandon Trish in Kris Joseph, and Andy Rotten's and Mukhi Jones. And then the other one Scottie Reynolds at Villanova. I should have gone. Scotty. Shame on me. West Johnson was an awesome college player. I just didn't realize he was that strong. And I believe transferred from Iowa State. If memory serves correct that is correct. So the last time two teammates were both. I he may there. It's two thousand ten Kentucky. John wall DeMarcus cousins, and you might remember this. It was that same year on January January twenty six two thousand ten that Kentucky team was undefeated. They were nineteen or no they went to South Carolina, Devon down. He got thirty points, five rebounds, three assists to steal sixty eight sixty two upset of the wildcat whiled cats. He was honorable mention all American shouts to. Devon downing. That's the disgraced by the way. Honorable mention get out of my face with that that face get atom get out of my frigging face with that. Honorable mention crap and lingering thoughts from the Duke win, by the way, other than RJ bear. It was awesome. And Alex O'Connell is only good when he plays Syracuse. I know right. And they okay they burnt real quick on this little bit people are putting in my Twitter mentions. Do you have any issue with Mike Francesca? Burn the shirt for Baker obvious. Yeah. No, I know in fact, see on. What was what was interesting is. We had like a preview show on CBS sports HQ on Saturday. I was just talking for an hour college basketball. So clearly we're going to preview the game. And I said what's going to be fascinating about this? Is that Chechen had the time to plan for this without Zion? Williamson so we're going to see a certain dimension. I think tonight from Duke that we just haven't seen all your by necessity because of what Zion doesn't both ends of the floor. Now, I didn't think that he would burn the red shirt that was an unexpected move. And he. Wasn't. He wasn't citing factor in that or not. But it was a little interesting that he did that given that we expect Williamson to return, frankly, maybe as soon as the Virginia Tech road game. But probably I think it's more likely maybe it's the one after that, maybe they wanna sit him after winning at Syracuse and seeing what they could do without him. So the question becomes like you burn the red shirt and the assumption is you wouldn't have burned it if Williamson never got hurt and yet he's not going to be out for a long time. So why do it? I don't have an issue with it. Because frankly, the kid has to like, you can't force him to be like, we're gonna burn this for you. Now. Like, I mean, there's obviously a discussion that was had. But I feel like you're setting me up in that people made it a thing if it was made into a thing. I miss that entirely. Oh is made up into a thing by North Carolina and Kentucky fans. Right. You know, the type of fans who make everything about every make everything thing. I would assume that you don't do that without talking to the kid. I you don't do that without talking to the parents I and so I. I I can't imagine. There's a scenario where Mike. Sheesh ask you sit down with the parents and said we're going to redshirt freshman year and develop and then we're going to get all these lottery picks out of here. And then your son will have a year practice under his belt and still four years of eligibility. And then just yanked the red shirt in the middle of February and play in five minutes. I just I just fundamentally just simply do not believe that's the way that went down. And so you got to assume that there was a conversation had and everybody was on the same page. And so if everybody's on the same page. Why would I be upset about it? Yeah. I'm with you there. Sandwich playing time. He gets going forward. We'll see if Williamson returns before we have our next podcast and Duke place at Virginia Tech on Tuesday nights. I think do can win Virginia Tech without him. Because I'm not I'm not sure how much better Virginia Tech even is than Syracuse. Without just Robinson likes. What's it's an interesting dichotomy in that Zayn. Listen gets hurt and Duke food due to its credit has been fairly responsive and transparent about a lot. That's happened there. Now, maybe some of that is by nature of the fact that is I am Williamson and then bus Williams has been basically mum on Justin Robinson, the nature of the injury. How long he'll be out. Whether he will return the series this season or not. And so you've got two different kinds of players in two different kinds of offenses that are going to be clashing there, and you know. For sure Robinson's not gonna be on the floor, barring something that we just are completely unaware of. And then Williamson we wait and see on that. But that game does mean something like this game helped do keep the number one overall seed sending in my estimation. And now if they can get this one like it still holds there. Otherwise the ACC race. I mean, it's the three three way tie atop the league right now. North carolina. Look good against Florida state over the weekend. Virginia trail by double digits, then one by double digits against Louisville. Tony Bennett is like nine one all time against Louisville that cardinals fans cannot stand the sight of Tony Bennett at this point. So with all that all that we saw GP three way tie atop the ACC twelve and to a piece with those teams. And so the jockeying for really good seats ending as well still in play. And that's why the game on the road. Tuesday night is just interesting and potentially has some consequences. If Williamson does not play you imagine being nine one against Louisville and Owen one against you MBC. I know there's really only one person who can't imagine that. Because Tony Benn is the only one, but yes, switching gears to the SEC LSU beat Tennessee and overtime, even though. Trauma waters didn't play just an enormous win. And we'll get into what it means for LSU. And it's SEC title hopes that a moment I ask you this because I was asked this earlier today on radio by our colleague there at Sally should the ref have called the foul on grant Williams with less than a second left at OT and basically into the game that call into the game. Yes. Yes. Have to call that. Now, it's a funky play. Like Turner gets off the three he's trying to beat the clock. It was on time. And yet like a little bit rushed at the same time. If you feel me there, and then it's a weird bounce off that devante smart who steps in for point guard in replace of waters and has the game of his life the freshman. He played well. As fate would. Have it lands in his hands? He hits the sinking the clinching shots. And no better guy to do it. After the game. He had all the scarlet Mays was also very very very good played all forty five minutes in that one. But grit Williams sickly is going for the rebound. He bumps bodies to meet parish. I don't even think it's controversial. You gotta call the play in that moment and it made for really weird end of game for Williams because the play before he had a beautiful spin move to to notch the game. I think that tied the game or no, I think it might give Tennessee a two point lead. And then LSU came down tied and then Tennessee gets. Decent. Look like a perfectly thrown passed down to Williams who has to take like it's kind of a tough follower to the side from the right side that didn't fall in. But I had no issue with the call. I'm with you the alternative to calling the fouls not calling the foul. What happens if you don't call? Undeniably foul. It's a collision and you're in bed. Ruse, you know, I know that calling the foul gets Rick Barnes furious. And in your face, not calling. It has will probably running out there to fight you. Fifteen thousand fans, you gotta you gotta make the call it sucks. Because if there is no foul there. We're going to double overtime because no matter who gets that ball. If if it's somebody gets it cleanly. Nobody's scoring. Devante smarts, throwing seventy feet and grant Williams didn't put it in another shot with less than a second to go. Whoever grabs the ball. Irrelevant which I know grant could probably recognize this in real time. But you know, if you could pause it and just say just okay, this overtime period is over we're going to the next one. Do not commit a foul. Obviously that was the smart thing to do. But playing basketball in real time can be slightly more difficult than that. So it sucks because it really did decide a gain on. It was on a play where neither player could have decided the game without a whistle. And so I get why you're frustrated Tennessee Tennessee fan, but you should be frustrated with grant Williams more than the referee. The referee did his job not to mention if the referee. Does it make that call? And this is the thing that I think sometimes gets lost with the let the players decide the game crowd swallow, the whistle crowd. These guys all have bosses and their avowed getting valuated every minute of every game. And if you don't make that call. Yeah. LSU fans might. LSU fans. I mean, Tennessee fans might be happy with you. But your bosses are going to be mad at you. Because you didn't do it correctly. So I don't blame the official. He did what he had to do. He did. And. I really like I don't want. We're going to be. I know we are destined to talk about officiating in March. It is going to happen. I don't want to but it is an inevitability. So I don't wanna spend really more than a minute on this. But you have to acknowledge for everyone that watched that game. Just. Borderline on watchable in how many times the officials had to go to the monitor and review. Call review the clock. Was it a block was there was one where the guy was clearly in the circle, and they still had to go when they reviewed it like it was absurd. So non top of house, w I just landed back home, and I was driving home. I was listening to the game on the radio. And so I was going to ask you about this because I didn't see it with my own eyes. But it the way the Tennessee play by play by play announcer described. It it was he says, okay, they call a they call a block on somebody. And then they go to the monitor to see if he's in the restricted zone. It doesn't matter if he was in the restricted zone. If you call it a block, it's block. What what what what does it matter if he's in the restricted restrict zone or not, correct? I don't even know what the deal with that. One was a litter. They went to the monitor. I'm not exaggerating minimum five maybe as many as seven times in the final three minutes of regulation and then counting over time as well. It. Totally ruined the flow of the game. And it was also part of why like Barnes just had it like your team loses big game on the road rowdy crowd. Not not visually appealing or stimulating game. At all. And then you get to call them Williams at the Barnes who who doesn't particularly run that hot like he wasn't. He had a right to and that moment, you're just like you're so sick of it like the game's over your team lost you had to deal with all this bullcrap with all this stalling that happened. I hope that the director of SEC officiating. And basically anyone that is a part of the officiating experience and Judah -cation of any sort of assignments or penalties or whatnot. Anything just that game was happening in in kind of a standalone moment on Saturday afternoon and let it be something to be wary of when we get to March. You can't have that. I mean is going to be college basketball going to get killed if we get an NCAA tournament game of any sort of note that goes through what we had there you can improve the the replay process of review process. So that just given what? Happened. We had to acknowledge that ending period. But for LSU, by the way, just a great win the SEC the is now a three team tie atop the league standings, Tennessee is now dropped its its two most recent games both against by the way, the two best teams not named Tennessee in the SEC. I think a lot of teams not all plenty of teams would have lost. If they had to go play at Kentucky and then had to play at LSU. So they're all now twelve and two in the league LSU is is positioned well to finish top league standings now because it's remaining games are an Bama, Florida Vanderbilt. Guess what? None of those teams are above five hundred SEC play. Meanwhile, Kentucky and Tennessee schedules are tougher than that not to mention when you include the fact, they have to play each other. So I think the eventual outcome here is I think he's playing the best of any team in the SEC right now. But I think that can tuck you'll lose at Tennessee. And what will happen is Tennessee and LSU will share the end of the regular season championship and Kentucky will be one game behind. And then go watch watch watch Kentucky when the tournament championship. And when. Happens. If that happens if that all breaks out just the way that it did you're going to have all three of those teams have a really really strong shot at the two liner better. I think the floor for LSU at that point three simulated, Tennessee. So things are getting really interesting in a hurry as been a long time since this. These three teams that were so strong at the top of the league viable final four contenders. Tennessee is still safely on the to line. Even though they've lost two of their past three games. Because here's the truth. And you made this point road games against legitimate top twenty teams like good teams are going to lose those games. Like getting blasted at Kentucky on a big stage was less than ideal. And obviously losing at LSU when there's no trompe waters. There. You gotta take advantage of that. I think Tennessee went from a projected maybe projected underdog in that game to a projected favorite it absolutely affected the point spread just before tip off. And so when you're when you're ahead in that game for much of that game. And the other teams best players not there. You want to you want to knock it out? But I mean, they still got three high level freshman operating at LSU. But that was the weird thing. What if I told you not gonna play as read not gonna play? Well, it's house LSU win. They won they won as we didn't play. Well, I don't think Phil dramas dim playoffs you still wins. And now, I think we're going to have shared SEC regular season share championship. But LSU is probably I think probably going to be a part of that. And they got a chance to maybe when it outright depending on what happens in going forward, Tennessee next up at ole miss if you wanna start asking questions about them, you can do it. If they take another loss there, even though LSU ole miss has been in the top twenty five at one point this season and Kentucky, Jerry palm. Now has them on the one seed line. I will have them in the top four which represents a a one seed in Monday morning's top twenty five and one. So John Calipari is thing on deniability headed in the right direction. They're playing really really well right now on Sunday afternoon. Michigan. Michigan state was the biggest game of the day and Michigan at home where it was undefeated plant a shorthand Michigan state team and could not get it done. Michigan state goes to win seventy seven seventy and so just a mass win for Tommaso. And that bunch will be honest. I didn't give them much of a chance to go into Michigan wind given that they're missing forty percent of their best starting lineup. And yet they go in there play. Well, and you mission mentioned caches Winston as a possible. I all American earlier he had twenty seven points, eight assists. He was seven at thirteen from the field. Thirteen fourteen from the free throw line. Just too awesome performance. What a performance thereby Winston. And I believe I had this one on the fogcast Farish. I took spotty to win on the road took a little chance got a little bit lucky. Very nice win for them and doing so take a step ahead in the big ten race. And set up well because these two teams play each other and to the final four games. And now the wolverines will have to go. Big blue will have to go and play at Michigan state to close out the regular season. We'll wait and see if they play in the big ten tournament thereafter. But Michigan state doing that the way that I think if you want a reason why it's able to do this kind of thing and play that well and score seventy seven on Michigan. Very impressive performance. No langford. No, Nick ward. I think a lot of the way that Tom Izzo is built this offense. Caches Winston developed into such a great college player is significant reason for that very impressive. Now, I have to be completely transparent here though. So as listen as the crossover of Twitter, followers, and podcast listeners will know I went to the Cincinnati Yukon game in Hartford on Sunday, which round up being actually relatively relatively decent game. I said Hello to your call it element. I said Hello to our CBS sports HQ colleague, retain both of them. In the nineteen ninety nine championship squad for Yukon. They were honored along which Cal and almost the entire team. They're on hand and Hartford. So I caught that game. Cincinnati one. That's good underrated team, but I was making my way back home. So I missed most of this game. So I didn't see like the first half play out with these teams whatsoever. But it is a great sign. Bottom line. This way Michigan is still operated like an elite defense Michigan goes into their building without two of their foremost important players dropped seventy seven and wins with a little bit of elbowroom. That's a great sign for Michigan state, which seems to have shaken off that three game losing streak that endured about a month ago. And now, it's really rolling final games at Indiana. That's a win home Nebraska. That's a win home. Michigan. Probably a win if doing so it would it would finish out at what seventeen and three in big ten play gather at twenty league games right now and Sparty would definitely have a chance at a one seed. They're probably be sitting pretty well, considering the fact that the numbers are going to bake into help them. This rates is the best conference in America. And so the number of qua. God one inquietude opportunities will help them as well, which leads me to this. You can say whatever you want about Sparty Michigan. But I notice you recently switched in your top twenty five and one from defining teams in accomplishments by their palm top one hundred wins to quad when inquired to I'm curious as to what the impetus for that was. Honestly, I found a website that sorts all the data automatically in. It's just so much easier to look at okay. That really is. Are you familiar with this website? If you're referring to Warren Nolan. Yes, I am. Yeah. Warren, Nolan dot com. Got your behind the trends, man. This has been a thing for like five six years. No, I'm aware of war. No. I just didn't know it was sorting the net rankings the way, it was sorting the net rankings until I we were in studio last week, and I was walking by somebody else's computer. Like one of the research guys. And I was like, whoa. They got all of the net. Ranking stuff sorted right there. Updated like every day. He was like as Jesus I cannot believe counting kin palm wins one two three with my finger on my computer screen. All season long when this is sorted for you, and really what you find out is it doesn't. And I think I think this is sort of interesting. It really didn't make me change my opinion aware, I should have teams that much. It's it's it's it's a diff-. It's the it's the information presented differently, but the conclusions. You're going to reach are are very similar the idea of you as I know your your daily schedule because we're essentially married at this point waking up at like five fifteen in the morning, like you're like eight inches from your screen squinting. And you're like you're living. The index finger is making contact with the screen is your counting on the Ken palm slate like one to six or seven Tam, and I gotta start over here by life. That's my life. And so I really did it. I today was the first day that I did it because I wanted I wanted it to be consistent. I didn't want some teams comments to have Kim palm data and the other ones to have quadrant. One quad. To data. So I decided I would commit to it on a day where I had to make a bunch of changes anyway. And then I'd just make changes on every team. And it really again, it's it's the information. Presented a different way. But the conclusions reached are pretty similar to what they otherwise would be. Well, that was just coincidental. That I ended up checking today because I checked for one very specific reason because I try not to look at your rankings too often. Because frankly, I don't want them to to influence my Thursday power rankings. But I was like, you know, what I got check these things out right now because Wofford got the twenty four and frequent four, and they gotta be ranked and shouts to perish putting the terriers in. I mean, they're they're an twenty six twenty to twenty one would be you know, that would be understandable. But but regardless you finally have put in those terriers who continue to climb up every metric every ranking? They get a great road win against Furman and note like all seriousness if that team wins out. I think it will have a shot at sixty. If you look at all of that it's going to have compiled and its lack of bad losses, which is frankly an incredible achievement. It's not like Nevada where they had a stacked roster coming back had made the Sweet Sixteen and done all this. And and they have future pros like they might have one Fletcher McGee offers doing is in all seriousness. Awesome. And just happy that you rank them they deserve to be there. I think I dropped Iowa State out. And so I had a spot open up, and I was picking between Wofford in Washington. And when I looked at the, you know, the resumes. I concluded that Wofford deserve to be an over Washington. But good news Washington fans because today Villanova lost got blast to be pretty good Xavier. I'm dropping Villanova from the top twenty five and one Monday morning Wofford goes up to twenty five Washington. We'll be the new number twenty six love it. Cool. Anything because every morning for a while. I tweet a link to the top twenty five and one and I want to be clear about this. Because I think sometimes I speak in absolutes or people speaking absolutes, and I don't want to do that. Because it's not fair. Not all Kentucky fans are crazy. I don't even think most Kentucky fans crazy. But there are some crazy Kentucky Vance, and they would tweet me every morning. Why are you how could you possibly have? Michigan over Kentucky Peres. You're an idiot. Perisher bias pairs. You don't watch the all this stuff you hear right? And I was almost today. I was going to tweet in response. Like because I got the question five times mmediately, and I was going to tweet the response. Here's the explanation for Michigan over Kentucky. Because there's a lot of reasons to have Michigan over Kentucky as of this morning. And if you wanna have Kentucky over Michigan. That's fine. You can make that case too. But there's a lot of stuff there that suggests Michigan can reasonably be ranked ahead of Kentucky. And I was going to tweet the explanation, and I stopped myself. Again. And I said the second I do this machine's gonna lose at home to Michigan state, and I'm going to have to listen to it more. So than I would even otherwise have to listen to it. So I hit delete on that tweet and thank God. Because then Michigan loses at home to Michigan state and Monday morning. Yes, Kentucky we'll be head of Michigan Kentucky will be in the top four. But I any of Kentucky fan tweeted me about this understand as of Sunday morning. Everything about to tell you. What's true? Michigan had eleven wins against top. Fifty Kim teams Kentucky had nine Michigan. Ligon had fewer losses. Michigan had no sub fifty no losses. Fifty Bong teams Kentucky had still has to Michigan was undefeated at home Kentucky's got a home loss. Again. If you wanna have Kentucky over Michigan. You can. But all of that stuff. It it makes it where it's that crazy to have Michigan over Kentucky as of Sunday morning as of Monday morning. It might be a little crazy 'cause they just lost at home to shorthanded Michigan state team, and I will adjust appropriately. But I just wanted to make sure if the Kentucky fans like sincerely had questions. Why Michigan over Kentucky as a Sunday morning that would that would be the answer. Also as of Sunday morning. Michigan was fifteen and four in quadrant. One slash quadrant. To opportunities Kentucky with fourteen and four in quadrant. One quadrant to opportunities not a big difference. But a difference. So that's the rationale between the rationale for Michigan about Kentucky as of Sunday morning. But on Monday morning, it will not look the same. Same before we get out of here. Real quick. I wanted to acknowledge what happened in Oxford on Saturday with some pro confederacy groups organizing a March onto the ole miss campus. Eight oh, miss basketball players took a knee during the national anthem to peacefully protest. The hate groups. It started with one player then five more quickly joined him than to more knelt near the end of the star spangled banner, and then afterward almost guard Brienne Tyree who could easily be a game of thrones. Character was asked about it. And here's what he said. He said, quote, we saw one of our teammates doing it. And we just didn't want him to be alone. We're just tired of these groups coming to our school and portraying our campus. It's our actual university. Having these hate groups at our school. Then later tweeted to the people that fight for this country because predictably there was some backlash particularly in Mississippi to the people that fight for this country, my teammates teammates, and I meant no disrespect to everything you do for us. But we had to take a stand to the negative things that went onto our campus hashtag, we need change. Norrland since Colin capture Nick started his protest during the anthem in two thousand sixteen. No, high major men's basketball players had taken a knee during the anthem not anywhere in this country. And I'll tell you as a Mississippi, and I did not think my home state would be where it first happened. But it happened in Mississippi on Saturday. What you make of the ole miss players what they did. Yeah. When this started circulating, it took me back, and I guess in a good way. And then it was like, wow. This is happening at ole miss. I think about the history and for those that might be listening to the podcast aren't familiar with it? Go ahead and research and look up. That school in and what it meant to to integrate universities in the south and in Mississippi and Alabama in the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties the gravity of that wasn't lost on me at all. And you can you can and should speak much more to this. As this is your this is your home state. It came also with a bit of an awkward coincidence in that Kermit Davis the coach when he got the job last year had specifically mentioned that his team would honor and respect the national anthem and the flag. I don't want to misquote him entirely, but he mentioned along those lines the importance of that. But I have zero issue with them doing this, particularly when you look at all of the all of the tuck city that exists with racism and things that are connected to the confederate flag, and how those things can really create schisms in communities that frankly have no business even existing. In this world in the United States American twenty nineteen let alone when when some of this was so much of this was taking place so credit to Tyree in the rest of his teammates for doing that. And for making a statement. It seems like it is going to be a one game kind of thing. Who knows thought Davison the Richard paradise. What you shared a late on on Saturday night. Ross Bjork the ole miss AD also passed along his historic. His response to what his players did there. But certainly, you know, just strikes a powerful image in the reasons they did it. We're frankly, logical if not not one of pride and wanting to say, you know, this kind of hate and these kinds of clashes that stem from such evil places have no place on our campus in our community. And as we try and foster the kind of community experience where we can live with each other and respect differences. Respecting the the key word. I thought it was a very grownup thing to do. And for anyone that might have an issue with it. I think you really need to take a second pause and just consider. What what those men, and frankly, their families and friends going back generations have gone through. Pretty awesome response by the almost players there. I thought I was proud of the players for doing what they did. And as a Mississippi, I don't just speak college basketball columnist on this subject, I speak as a as a Mississippi, and it's the husband of Minsk graduate, and I was proud of the players for what they did. I was proud Kermit and Ross for how they handled it. And I told them both that showing support for their players. A it was this smart thing to do if only because the alternative is gonna get you killed in a negative recruitment recruiting onus already has to deal with negative recruiting about all MRs very complicated somewhat entirely embarrassing past. There's been some ugly nasty stuff. That's happened on that campus. So they already get hit with that. It's why they got rid of Colonel read. That's why they ban the confederate flag. They've tried to strip away all of this stuff. And I'll just be honest with you in within the state. It's not a completely popular thing to do. There are still people scream. Bring back Colonel rep. So almost already gets hit with this. If you're a coaching AD, if you don't stand behind your players, it's going to get even worse on the recruiting trail when you are recruiting largely African American student athletes. So is the smart thing to do. But it was also the right thing to do. And so I I was proud of them for handling the way they did to Britain's point. He's exactly right. What happens is these hate groups. Sometimes they aren't even from the state of Mississippi the people involved, but they show up in Oxford, Mississippi they March on the campus. And then it's like the KKK is on campus at oh, MS we have a producer CBS sports dot com and one of her stories about being at ole miss because she traveled to SEC games of the big Saturday games. Her memory of being it'll MRs she was there at the same time. The KKK was was there too. That's what you say. Almost what she thinks about and they sort of they show up, and then they coop the campus, and it becomes a K K K is at ole miss omiss is races. And Brittan time point is these people got nothing to do with our campus that they walked on our camp. Then I'm from here that they walked on our campus doesn't mean that represents our campus. That's not who we are. And we're tired of it being portrayed that way. And so I, you know, obviously, he was going to get asked about it because he's the leader afterward and he did take a knee. I thought he handled it as well as any college student could and for the people who still don't get it for whatever reason, let me just say two things one stop calling it an anthem protest. It's not an anthem protest. It's a protest during the anthem. I I had to get on this page a longtime ago as much as I talked about this subject on radio talking about this subject on radio in the south. It is not an anthem protests. That's what you read nickel calls it. Yeah. They're protesting the anthem protests in the flag. It's not an anthem protests. It's a protest during the anthem. Nobody's protesting the anthem. Nobody is protesting. The flag. People are in this case protest, the almost players were protesting. A hate group that marched onto campus in Colin Kaepernick situation protesting racial inequality and police brutality, but it's not an anthem protests. And it's not a flag protest. If you keep calling in that you're just you're you're you're you're being dumb either. Because you're dumb or your intentionally being dumb because you wanna make the points. You wanna make? Secondly, and got this question a lot last night and even today. Well, I just don't see why they have to do it during the national anthem. You don't because that is where it has proven to be effective. Bree anti Rican. He could protest on his own time. You wouldn't know if he did it on his own time. It became the big story in college basketball yesterday. I mean it was trend. Ding. It was on every highlight show. It was on actual newscast. Not sports cast news because of because they did it during the anthem that is the point to peacefully protest in a way that makes people pay attention that makes people ask questions that gives you an opportunity to answer those questions that makes people focus on the topic. You want them to focus to people Breen teary just went in and protested at the Starbucks down the street from the Hague group. Nobody would know nobody would care take a knee and the national anthem right before SEC basketball game. Okay. Now got the cameras on you. Now, people are noticing now you're getting to have the conversation that you want to have it worked incredibly fa- Colin cabinet because we we've been having these conversations for nearly three years now and it worked incredibly for the basketball team yesterday. And that's the answer to why do it during the anthem because that's where it's most effective. And that's a great way to wrap this edition of the pod. Will we'll be back later later in the week to to see what what we got from Monday to say, we won't be short on news. Some interesting results as well. And the hump day ones are always fun and curious in their own regard. So whether we record Tuesday night or Wednesday morning, you know, you'll have it. Right. 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Hour 3: 6/21/19

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Hour 3: 6/21/19

"The Paul finebaum show podcast has been brought to you by the Capital, One sabre card earned four percent cash back on dining and entertainment, two percent of grocery stores, and one percent on all other purchases. Now when you go out you cash in what's in your wallet terms apply. Cried passion, and pageantry of college football lives. Here is the Paul finebaum show. Our three podcast. Doc, going on today? And we have a little bit of breaking news from Georgia, we want to pass along to you the story coming from the Covington news, Jeremiah, while Holloman removed from the team following assault allegations. He was expected to be among the leading receivers. So the dogs. Getting some. Unfortunate news Kirby smart making that announcement to the local newspaper there. Let's go back to the calls at eight five five to four to seven to eight five. Let's check in. Next. With Bruce, who was in Florida Hebrews. Go right ahead. I follow are you doing today? We're doing well, thanks a lot. That's all caller called in earlier show. Dan, I believe it was Louisiana worried about what's going on Florida. I just wanted to ban and I wanna tail Darryl because he called last week and all them other fans as all worried about Florida. Don't worry about Florida. Get off our lawn because we are fine, and we're gonna be fine. And I want to remind them LSU fans that we beat in the last two years, this is going to be number three. Well, thank you very, very much love that prediction. How about gator man? Calling from Florida gator man. Hey, paul. Hi there. Hey, let me ask you a question. Sure. And the eighty two eighty three season. When Miami won the national title, who was the only team that beat them that year. I think. Was that Florida? The beat them. Yeah, okay. Good guests. And I were at that game. Okay, look, right look. Jim is nothing but a frigging plant, okay? You guys have watts enrolled him back and forth. And I'm tired of it. I'm tired of it. He's a plant, and I think you guys have him on your payroll. To what reason one? He's an idiot. And so that's, that's, that's your entire statement. Well. Prove me wrong. Well, I don't think I listen. I, I think I, I don't think we don't think we have to prove that which you say is. Approve it. No. Banned him. And he keeps coming back. I don't know if you've ever banned from Tuscaloosa, the donor was asked from a hole in the ground. All right. He doesn't know what his ass from all wanna ground. And we're supposed to disallow people in this program because they don't know anything. Well, that's a good question. But I'm just telling you, man. I I'm tired of Jim. Okay. You know, he comes up you ban them. And he comes back down your ban them, you know, it's just like. You know, I can put up with me, and I but Darryl and all this, I've been I've been watching you for seventeen years in this the first time I've called, I'm telling you. I'm tired of Jim Jew. I think you are. Do you think you are you more on? I've been driving this show. But ten years that's why it's because I'm talented I know what I'm doing. And you fucking idiot call here and tell me, I don't know my ass on the ground. Getting your getting that was she referred to me. Now, I wipe, you out, you flew you had the worst I've ever heard gator man. Who's I l you? You're nobody nobody knows you in the world those me 'cause I'm famous because I'm good at what I do. And I know plant you put your Hemi pump. You plant God, you not playing pool you have food eighty in both you. U N, Brad imbecile. You are really dumb claim it. Drove it what the hell is a place for you. Wow, you preview van plant plan? Moron your way. Well, yeah. Dumb ads. A pay. Some clue come in here at telling me, I'm a plant. I'm not a day of plant you more on whenever you are. You are the plant use a plant upset. I've ever called you. Your salary wrapping. With your like the rest of these damn idiots. He wanna ride, Jim 'cause you don't hate him 'cause you ain't him. That's the problem with you and the rest of these dumb, asses, and as fast for this caller list five I'm knows how power and the my favorite he's his. Hey, you know, she'll go okay, PU I look what you what does it matter? What a dumb fuck. You. Thanks are says it matters not is not. I've ever gone. You go later, I can't see you own your way. You both you both had your say. Thanks gator, man. Thanks you. That was pleasant wasn't it? Harry is up next in New Orleans afternoon. Harry. Call. This is a little sobering, Paul. But I think it might make some sense to you. May, maybe you can shed some light on how far we've come and what live learned and not only what we've learned. But maybe we're totally coaches have learned to whatever extent, they may have been responsible. But think it was thirty four years ago yesterday today that Len bias died. Yeah. And maybe a year ago so that the same university, I believe Mellon loss a football player practice. Corrupt share. Yeah. That was the big story of the off season last year. Well, Well, Paul, it's, it's hard to believe lightning would strike one university twice. But unfortunately, we know it did. And my question to you, is because I really don't know too much about what's tested and how often people are tested but given all circumstances over the is what's happened. And regardless of whose fault, it is it, it's in case of. Bias? I it's kind of hard to believe even not have no no proof. And I really hated to even say that. But you know how how how responsible is a coach like left drizzle? If yeah. If you know you don't know the story nineteen eighty six Lynn buys with the second player taken draft. It's interesting thing about the Celtics we just said grant Williams in studio, who was taken by the Celtics and like in two days after the draft, he died cardiac arrest because of a cocaine overdose. And it was a shocking story. It ultimately ended lefty drizzle. At Marilyn everyone everyone blamed everyone else. I don't know ultimately, how you can you can place blame. But seemed like we did well we can what we can all try to learn his coaches fans whatever and my question you fall is today, other than steroids. And I don't even know what the seller procedures. But, but all athletes in all sports in all colleges tested today for drugs. Yeah. Yes, they are. And I don't know with, with what regularity. There are systematic regular tests. There can be impromptu test. But yes, there are there are certain regulations put forth by the NCWA that that require testing. We'll certainly we'd have to believe that they've come a long way since the bias testing correct. I mean, since the by a death. Yeah. I mean, there's no doubt that that is true, but. I mean, I think schools are pretty religious about this. But on the other hand, you hear stories of the players know you can't dodge it, you, you can dodge it now. And, you know, on the other hand, you get a lot of players who will claim. And you heard some of that from little oh Clemson last year. Daboh seem like the it was all big mistake. Well turned out not to be a big mistake. But there are the NC double A has a very a fairly strict testing program lets good to hear and I as I heard the young man today, getting drafted by the Celtics. That's the first thing I thought about Paul and I hated to bring up such a knowing that is you call, and you're heading thing again. Again, I don't I wasn't making light of the story we had at the top of the hour. But the Djerma holliman's story is getting a lot of attention expected to be Georgia's. Leading wide receiver certainly position of great need and importance for the dogs, according to media reports he's off the team. So they've had some issues over there already. This is one that will probably quiet down the dog fans in cracking back at Florida. We will take a bright more of your phone calls at eight five five two four two seven two eight five. We'll get some more reaction to that. As we roll on to listening to Paul finebaum show, podcast, welcome back. Let's get back to the call today. Eight five five two four to seven to eight five. James in Columbus. Georgia, you're next go right ahead. Paul. Thanks for taking my call here. The question I wanted to ask is a, a while back several years that we had a player that play Deepa these the ball that had altercation with his girlfriend stroke around all that. And then, of course, they dismissed them and everything. But then Alabama picked him up because they've is a but rehabilitating do they got any kind of ru said a from when all that took place to light now? Like, say that kid goes to whatever program steps he needs to go to, to get back in it. Or is he completely like done for like in SEC? I know that fix them up and d to something like that. But here's a yeah. That, that, that way, you're very controversial about four years ago. And he went to Alabama out. He had an outstanding felony against him in Georgia and Sabin. And I always thought it was one of the more embarrassing moments of Nick savings career, Alabama trying to defend him. Him and talk about giving him another chance. And then it blew up on Sabin when he got involved in a an altercation that was always hard to figure out what really went down, but saving got rid of him. Finally, there is. Yeah. If you believe the there's an SEC of bylaw were or or policy, now that if you have a felony against you, you are not going to I hate to give you the specific. I'll double check, but that they're out there is some language out there that would make it extremely difficult for you to play. Yes, I got one other question if you don't mind the quarterback that committed to Oklahoma. Have you heard anything of that? He I mean they said you'll do was pretty strong on him. But. Would that leave because we got the kids up, north is considering coming us is, you know, anything on that. No, I don't I it's a good question, though, James. Hey, thank you very much. We'll, we'll look into those good to have you on read is in North Carolina read. Thank you for the call. Good afternoon a call. Glad to be old. Thank you from, from ES, sir from done longtime listener longtime watcher. I I'm caller from nearby Bisson, which is well rate Tanner's from is it really it is. Yeah, he went to stay is these Staden coach there played there. That's right now, here, raised certainly what a great baseball coach. He was absolutely wish. We had them back. Yeah. He's a little busy, right? Do pay but may raise the man not game dot dot NC state fans, first of all, you know, love the SEC ACC guy. But I'll love to keep up with who do you got Florida, Georgia this year trade to Georgia? Yeah. Neetu willing to put a bed, Florida. But I'll bet you know, listen, I I'm about the way that that's as this hour. The Georgia loses anymore players. I'm reassess. But I just don't think Florida's quite there yet, I'm a big believer in Dan low, and but I think Georgia's just that agreement a crop when it comes the talent, and I ain't been against that. Secondly in most fluently in my in my mind if the SEC, expands was the likelihood of NC state being prominent prospect. I mean and this is if and yeah. You know now read as this as today, the there is virtually, no chance. Now, if you go back eight or nine years with chances were pretty good. The SEC was in was in a futuristic expansion mode. And there were a couple of ACC teams that I think, were under serious consideration and state may have been a running partner for someone else. But as of now I would say, this is my opinion there's virtually no chance of that happening. It it's almost I mean th the, the ACC has very strict arrangements with member institutions. I mean, you can't get out for under a an enormous penalty. And I'm talking enormous. I'm not talking about, you know, I think thirty or forty or fifty million dollars in besides NC state, even though it's it's squeezed in between Carolina and. And do and so many other schools. I don't think there's any really geographical geographic advantage. Especially now that this ACC network starts in August. Right. And that's the big. That's a big aspect. But I disagree, I mean, we're in the southeast having a look alike, school may do gift some dividends to the SEC, but they don't really need it, and I, I have a very close friend who's a state fan. So I get a pretty pretty healthy dose of wolf pack all the time. And it it's, it's really an interesting school to me, because they're always very close. You know football, pay you what we do have one of the most passionate fan base. Yeah. No, not allowed that saying much at all. But we do fit the mold, I believe, at the no, I think you do we, we would maybe finish bottom tier for a while, with, you know, a football at least, but we would be competitive for sure in basketball and baseball off the ring. But here's the problem, though, for, for the, the SEC is not in a in an expansion mode, number one. And number two, I don't think they will expand until there is a some big bang effect, where conference goes away and everyone starts grabbing for more, but, but I really. And it's not it's, it's not meant as a disrespect to NC state. I just don't think there's. I don't think there's, there's bent there, but six six days there, there was back before I was born I was born in h four that is, you know, listen, I think even ten twelve years ago when expansion was was was a pretty hot topic. It could have happened. Yeah. Not happening wouldn't take Georgia Tech to taking that back when you know, you talk about a school that was I mean, people don't remember Georgia Tech was in the SEC and. It, it made Saami Dodd that call. I believe okay? Look how that worked out. Exactly. I, I mean, I don't mean I, I have to remember sometimes Georgia Tech is in the ACC. Well, yeah. Well, we know him all to will. But man, I love to being this DC one day basis taking my call, but rethink your, I I'm out. Listen. It would be a good set. If you're looking for a passionate fan base Gooden sports, but it's not happening cat. Daddy is in Columbia, South Carolina cat daddy, you want. You wanna see NC state in the? No ACC. They would maybe it'd be good. They wouldn't be doing for a while. I mean let's say South Carolina's been in the SEC since ninety two. Well, they want east out one you. Okay. You're right. You're right. So you don't give them give them a chase what I wanted to call about. Is that first time call the gate a man? What did he walk into a baptism of five or yacht? He did. I mean, you don't know. Have you ever remember that song you don't mess around with Jim Jim, Jim Kurl key? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what that Jim song. The song bad, bad, LeRoy Brown. But that's beside the point that is the whole day. Now. I'm Bob talking to you. Got a great show. Thank you very much. You have a great deal. Why jim? He not crazy. Actually. Song was you don't mess around with Jim. But, but anyway, it was about was about bad. They leroy. Hey, thank you daddy. Great to have you on. I don't want Jim calling and saying, I've got the name of the song wrong. We'll take a break. Go. Much more to come here on a Friday. Yeah. I knew that. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. So we welcome you back a lot of things happening to happening. It's been a busy show grant Williams selected by the Celtics in the first round joins us in studio to begin things. But lately we've been trying to follow this Jeremiah holliman's story to find out exactly what is going on with the player expected to be the top wide receiver for the dogs in the upcoming season kinda Riley joining us from dog nation. Try to help us fine fact from fiction Connor, thank you very much. Always good to have you on to. Let's, let's start from the beginning. What what's this all about? Yes. So according to a port first reported by comington news. They were they, you can't police report that came out that there was an investigation launched into Jeremiah almond allegedly striking a victim and choking her in April of twenty eighteen was just launched on June second of this month. And Georgia head coach Kirby smart gave a statement to Covington news, Georgia football, the university of Georgia is not to put out a statement yet, but stating smart stated that parliament has been dismissed from the team in regards to the results from this investigation on it is important to note that this was not an Athens county police department investigation. It was a UTA police department investigation, and that there were no there are no criminal charges filed in this and actually finally enough. I just got the police report from Georgia, so on and sort of just gives you of aggravated assault and battery regarding, and so Connor. Based on what you, you, you hear. And, and what's been reported being kicked off the team. What does that mean? Is that mean indefinitely? Is it mean permanently? What, what did we what are, you know, I, I usually has again not put out an official official statement on this. But based on what I see and based on what Kirby has done regarding, you know, incidents like this passage or two, I would I would I would tend to believe that you're my home. It going forward will not be number twenty nineteen Gordon football team, which brings us to the salient question. How big a loss will his departure be? This is a significant loss. He was expected to be Georgia's number one, right? Wide receiver next year. Last year. It gets caught twenty four passes four hundred and eighteen yards and five touchdowns Orson games really shy specifically in the Florida game when he had two touchdowns. Georgia now leading wide receiver that returns from last year. Team is Tyler Simmons. He only had nine catches for the entire season. So there and you know whether they lost their top three wide receivers from the draft as well as tight in Isaac NADA. They have cove production to replace at wide receiver and why they do have some talented options, former vice a wide receiver to meet just Robertson, five hundred twenty nineteen wide receiver George, Pickens four star twenty nineteen hundred receiver Dominic way lock as well as graduate Miami transfer Lawrence Cager while they have a lot of talented options. There's a lot of unproven unproven players in that George wide receiver room right now. And that is certainly a concern going into the twenty nineteen even. A lot of people will will will try to figure it out. I realized that it is June is June twenty first, and there's plenty of time to, to assess, but you follow this team, very closely Georgia's expected to compete for the national championship. Do you think this one? Decision by Kirby's Martin in reaction to these, these charges could significantly impact the way Georgia finishes this year. I don't know if significantly impacted would be the word I would use. However, I do think this is a big loss for Georgia, you know Georgia's offense is still going to be predicated on its running games. They still going to be a very good quarterback. But with Helmand no longer on this team is just not a there's not a proven wide receiver at the SEC level on the team right now. And you saw last year, Wisconsin when they played Alabama you have really good wide receivers that can really do a lot for you. So sort of not having any known quantity. A guy who's sort of Ben through the raiders of the SEC is really gonna hurt Georgia. And while I don't think this knocks them from, you know, national title, contender, sort of, you know, top top echelon team. This does make what they have to do. The twenty nineteen significantly heart. Her. In terms of discipline, Kirby smart has been pretty pretty emphatic on something like this, by the way, I know a lot of people will praise him you and I, both know there's nothing you can do when you have like this is their right? Yeah. I mean, even though there are no criminal charges being pressed. The police report states that he, he struck a woman, and I mean, that's pretty in this day and age. That is a very clear black and white, and it's just something you don't do it. There was no place for that in society alone. More specifically on the torture football team. Like this is just once it got out that this is something that he did, regardless of whether or not the recruit all criminal charges against him. It's just it's an untenable situation. Well, Connor on what had seemingly been a very quiet afternoon relation to college football that has now changed. I know you're busy appreciate you coming on. Very short notice. Thank you for sharing the information per se. Thank you, fall. A rally you heard what he said there. This is a big deal and you're talking about. The team that lost a lot in that position with players coming out, so that will be one. We'll be watching very closely over these next three or four weeks before media days. And then ultimately the start of summer workouts. We're heading to a break. It's been a really good show grant Williams, sitting right here at the beginning talking about his dream coming true last night. Getting selected by the Boston, Celtics sharing it with his former coaches and family since then a lot of other guests as well. Plus, the breaking story on the university of Georgia. We're coming, right? That listening to call finebaum show podcast. Welcome back, which continue here, a lot of conversation about the situation at the university of Georgia. Let's go to coach and Morristown Tennessee, you're on the air he coach. Hey, paul. Thanks for taking my call. Thank everybody to you. You got it. Hey, that's a that is breaking news. It is big news at Georgia, and I think that is going to obviously affect him a little bit. But that's that's not good for the BULLDOGS for sure. So, but hey, I want to I haven't had chance to comment on your discussion. I'll call it with Mark from Massachusetts. But I'd I'd like to just maybe feed a little information to this, and you can you easily verify to just look at it, the why it's all about the school and not the players at the school. Just look at Alabama's attendance enrollment for the last ten years, Nick saving has been there. It's increased over thirty two percent in those ten years. It's kind of like what? Always told someone I'd love to been his agent just work off commission. You know, he's most underpaid coach just just in mount of money. He's brought for the versus, but I have friends whose kids have gone to schools, like Alabama and successful athletic programs, just because of athletic program being successful. So when Mark's trying to argue the point of, you know, it's not about the the the team brand. It's about player at the brand. I just disagree completely fat. And you can just look at numbers that kind of back that up now. Well said completely agree with coach. Listen, I'm glad we had the conversation. Those things happen sometimes, and I think back, well, maybe we could have gone about it a different way. But it sparked a lot of reaction. And that's what was good. Well, it was, and I appreciate you taking my call, and I hope you have great Wiki. Thank you. Coach. Always good to have you on. Let's continue with more phone calls and Frank is in Tallahassee Frank. All right ahead. Thank you. Thanks for taking my call. Time listener for Cohen. I wanted to comment on things the first glide into your Comey earlier in show about the, the Celtics in the hawks back in the late fifties in and verdict. Sixties I don't have to big hawks fan, and I remember those aims. Well, they were they were kind of the Celtics doger's word of the Yankees good. But you may not quite good enough, but they haven't center Dame five on the ballot who I've played played it. Can they heard a full were who radio little starting up hitting who played it L shoot? And they had a full work who beg way from pro or attended and Turkey name cliff Hagan rig teams. And there was some good series with, with the Celtics Jerry speaking. Yeah, that's Frank. Thanks for sharing that going down memory lane. They're Bradley is in Texas. Hey, Bradley, and I should get a call. Hello, pay up. Take you so much for taking my call. Thank you for calling. I'm a I'm a graduate of Texas AM and. I lived in the, the issue area for quite some time of Mary, the LSU purpose. That was my greatest downfall. But i'm. I'm very interested in in the in what what's going on in the the tournament right now in in college World Series? I'm I'm just elated that I mean not so much that SEC teams are just dropping out. But that you know what's going on with Michigan? You know, Michigan is a fourteen to three over Texas Tech right now game here run. They're running up to score. Yeah. Vanderbilt plays later Vanderbilt looking really good and Michigan's looking incredibly good. Yep. And we'll, we'll nothing will really be said until I think when when vandy and, and Michigan meet if that does happen. But. You know, I just liked to hear your take on, on what you what you think is, is gonna Bradley, I've, I've really liked Vanderbilt from the beginning. I thought they had the best team looks like the they do. Michigan has been a total surprise the SEC. The other three SEC teams must be honest. We're, we're pretty pretty disappointing. The way it worked out, especially Auburn, and Arkansas Frank is up next in South Carolina. Hello, frank. Hey, paul. How you doing today? We are doing great. Thanks a lot. Hope you enjoy this beautiful first day of summer. I am you gotta get out Nunes, good deal. Well, I'm a big South Carolina Gamecocks fan. And I wanted to touch base on the few things if you will allow me, please. Okay. Well from the time we lay off the ACC till we joined the SEC in ninety two. We had sparky woods whether coat, right? And come to find out. We lost to citadel. So they fired. Marquee woods. And Brad, Scott. Well, what a great move that was. We hit hit he'd been at FSU. Right. So everyone thought he was great. Yeah. That's right. Yeah, he was Florida state, and when he come up there, he took Sparky's players and one is our first bowl game. Of course, I member son. We went down to it and beat West Virginia down there in the car quest. But in Miami. Okay. But then. He wound up winning one game and losing to the citadel for the first time. So guess what? Lou hope comes up, we now we're starting to change a little bit but he has not team quarterback on his roster. When Lou gets there, no linemen. So you can imagine what lose first year was zero and whoever beat us. And but Lou row players in, in South Carolina has always been big on players. You know if you're a player for South Carolina, you got true part fans, they're there for you. But then the big chains came Spurrier he brought the facilities and players. We didn't know what three four and five star recruits were until he, he came on the scene. And for the five years that Kentucky wants to brag about Epsom most brag Texas handy yet, but I can tell you that was three different coaches after spur tennis barriers. And, and Clemson case, I, I. Call you one time before tell you, it was performance and has come star on illegal hair tonic. Clemson head. Okay. But we'll go then the coaches that we have now and the syllables that we have now are one of the main things that I really have upbeat attitude about South Carolina. But one thing I want to underline about South Carolina and the fans. They respect the SEC from the daily Welt in the door. And if we couldn't beat you on the field are go was the beat you tailgate. Thank you very much, really appreciate the call. Mike is up next in Georgia. Mike, thank you get after noon Hypo that tell you that was some sobering information about Jeremiah holliman. Yes. As soon as, as soon as you feel real good about your team and the direction you're going there, always something going to, you know, reach up and bite you. There's always a snake lurking somewhere. But if you look you know, you can talk all you want about our run. Game. And maybe that can get you buff, you know, a lot of the time. But I mean, but if you look our at our receivers really every backup is a freshman, and of the three stores, Dimitrius robbers than he's really an unproven. You know, SEC receiver even knew he's, you know, former five store. So really, we only have one solid receiver this got SEC experience. Anyway. Somebody's got to step it up. But is this kind of kind of depressing? Yeah. Listen. I. It's a big blow because and I, I think you heard our guest a minute ago. It's not your nobody's no one's going to ride Georgia off because they're so talented. But, but this comes into position and they would really need in probably four or five games. Most of the games, it won't matter but against Notre Dame, he could. Florida tech them maybe Alabama it could make a big difference. We'll see it's gonna show up somewhere. There's no question. And hopefully you know as a dog fan, somebody'll step up. And you know prove their worth on the field. I mean, we've got some, you know, talented freshman coming in, but that's the key word there freshman and their unproven. So anyway, the again, it's going to be a sobering weekend. I just, you know, this is not what you want is, you had into a long lazy summer weekend, when college football news is sparse, but I will say in years past the four weeks are often the most dangerous and I realized the incident with Holloman occurred, some time ago, but you never know what happens when you get players home for July fourth home at various intervals coaches never liked to see their players leave campus. We're heading to a break. Much, much more to come.

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