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New York City's Luxury Condo Hangover

The Indicator from Planet Money

09:51 min | 11 months ago

New York City's Luxury Condo Hangover

"N. P. R.. Everybody we are going to get today's episode in just a second but first we wanted a to acknowledge with great sadness that Paul Volcker has passed away. Vulgar was a towering figure in economics former chair of the Federal Reserve. And if you want to hear more about the pivotal moment home in his career. Our colleagues planet money did a great episode about it back in two thousand fifteen that episode is number six six four and we highly recommend it and now on today's this show. If you're looking to buy an apartment women in New York City or at least in Manhattan. You have pretty good timing. Because according to a new study by St Easy Dot Com prices on homes in Manhattan Are Down about five percent from last year. So there's a good chance you're going to get a deal again if you're buying salad. You stop by St E.'s. Offices to speak with their economists grant long long. Yeah I did and we checked out some listings. She look here thirty park. Place is a beautiful building downtown and the browsing or told me that if you fall into one very particular category of shopper you are likely to get an even better deal. We were looking at a specific the civic listening for a three bedroom apartments for we've got six active new sale listings. Is that twenty five million dollars. Yes and it's just been subject to a five million dollar price price cut so I mean now how can they know exactly. Oh doing all right for the record that price tag twenty five million dollars that is like almost seventeen percent price drop. I mean in a lot of world. That is a bargain right. I mean not our world but clearly this is a deal only if you are super rich and that is who is getting these incredibly good deals right now the rich. Here's what happened if you go back to two thousand thirteen. Two thousand fourteen. After the housing crisis developers started building all of these new luxury condos and now there are too many there are is a glut and all of those unsold apartments. They have caused inexpensive problem for developers. They borrowed all this money from banks to build the apartments Hartmann's and the banks very understandably want their money adventure. Yeah so real estate developers who can't sell their properties are converting them into rentals to try to meek back at least some of their money but something weird is happening. I'm Sally Herships. Garcia is indicated for planet. Money on today's show. What it means when people stop buying luxury condos in Manhattan and the kind of complicated effects this has for the rest of us some good some not so good this message she comes from? NPR sponsor state farm. Why do you need state farm renter's insurance because it helps protected this stuff? Landlords don't like your furniture that gets drenched by broken pipe state farm renter's insurance finding agents or get a quote at State Farm Dot Com support. Also comes from Google fi a phone plan by Google bill made with features that people actually want learn more about the benefits of switching to Google fi at five dot. Google DOT COM. Okay so to be clear here. This is not just a story about apartments for rich people in Manhattan. It's also story about how all those extra luxury apartments for. Its people end end up affecting the rest of us in kind of complicated ways so there are two effects. Broadly I when there are so many luxury apartments for sale prices prices of apartments in Manhattan and up dropping for everybody some rich people when they have more options will leave their current apartment and that leaves more supply available elbow for upper middle class or middle class folks as well and when they leave their apartment that means that's another vacated apartment that's available for middle class or lower income folks folks so it just means more supply for everybody and that means falling prices so in Upper Manhattan which is actually the least expensive part of the island neighborhoods neighborhoods like Harlem inwood Morningside Heights. Sales prices in those neighborhoods are actually down two percent from last year and on the upper east side sale prices are down five five percent and here is where we get to the second effect that all those extra luxury apartments are having. The rich aren't buying instead they're renting and that means more demand I'm for rentals which means landlords are raising rants. According to St easy rent prices are rising at their fastest rate in more than three years. If if you wanted to rent a one bedroom apartment in Manhattan the media rent has gone up seven and a half percent since last year. That is three thousand three hundred and fifty dollars a month. Oh Oh my God I live in Brooklyn by the way. It's important to point out that. This is a weird disconnect I mean normally in the real estate market sales prices and rent prices move together but right now even though sales prices are going down in Manhattan rent prices are going up so the real estate patterns of the wealthy are affecting thing everybody and to understand how we got here. We need to start with how he ended up with. Too many of those fancy apartments for rich people in the first place. New York City is a famously high priced. Real estate market generally sale prices for partners. Here go up. They may grow slowly but pretty much always grow so developers can make a killing but about about ten years ago after the housing crisis developers and buyers dot what you might call overly ambitious interest rates. Were really low. You could borrow all this money really cheaply said he started building all these crazy apartments like the apartment that I was looking at with grant. It's at Thirty Park Place in downtown Manhattan Lotte. A really nice features. A fully functional fireplace marble countertops Butler pantry Butler's included or not. Well that's kind of a deal. Breaker right Oh my God yeah walkout Out if the Butler but even with all those amenities Butler not these apartments. Stop selling and grand says that's because housing is a very a particular kind of good. Housing is a tricky good in that it is many things at once rights and investments place to live it is it is shelter her but I think for many folks was also sort of trophy to show off right so in the same way that when people get skittish about the economy stop buying fancy handbags or fancy cars. A lot of them are buying fewer fancy apartments in New York City. You're actually luxury condos are like the Birkin bag of global real estate. You buy a Birkin bag. If you you have the money to show off or if you're really indication but Cardiff a bag is also a serious investment. You can resell your designer bags. I hear you believe leave you but I am glad that you explained that because I wouldn't have just known well Birkin bags are just like luxury condos right. It's not something you're going to invest in if you're nervous and you think a recession might be on the way and in the case of condos instead of buying you rents and the same goes for regular buyers lower and middle Income to you might be worried about the possibility of a coming recession. And you might not WANNA sign up for an expensive mortgage. And that's one of the reasons why all sales in Manhattan atten are dropping because people are worried that those prices can't go up forever total eight if there's a slowdown than they might start to fall. Okay but back to rich people for a second uh-huh grant says something else has contributed to falling sales prices. Obviously some of the luxury condos were sold but he says it a chunk of the buyers were what we'd call pure investors so they bought the apartments only as an investment not as a place to live in and so they have been converting those apartments that they originally originally bought as an investment into rentals. So it's created this whole new secondary market for rental apartments as a result a lot of local hookers or choosing who have a lot of money using to rent instead of buy into here. We need to explain that. Yes normally more supply of rentals on the market would mean falling rental prices. But not in this case because that new supply is not enough one. Reason is that again rich. People might be worried that luxury apartment prices will continue. Continue to fall so there are choosing to rent instead and also because recent changes in tax laws have made it more expensive for rich people to buy luxury apartments in New York work. And so that's another reason. Why a lot more rich people are renting instead so yes? There's more rental supply but there seems to be even more rental demand. I have decided to come back as the rich person in my next life Because when the rich decide to buy it can have a huge impact on all of us. Granted show me a pretty nice listing. It was was one of those luxury condos that got converted to a rental. Oh there's also detail here so it's available fully furnished for forty thousand so just for an extra five thousand dollars. All of the Kea Shia stream. Probably by most of Ikea's for the extra five thousand dollars. Yeah Cardiff what do you think so for it. So you might they wanna wait actually because those developers are still building in New York because once you start construction. It's kind of hard to stop. And so there are still thousands. More luxury units stat are yet to be completed so it is actually quite possible that prices on those buildings and for the rest of us will drop even more. I am not gonNA hold my breath. This episode indicator was produced by Lena Sons. Gary fact checked by Nadia Lewis. Our Editors Paddy Hirsch an indicator is a production of N._p._R..

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Local Hour: One Last Dance

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Local Hour: One Last Dance

"Bedale podcast is brought to you by the new Capital One saver card or four percent cashback on dining entertainment, two percent at grocery stores one percents on all purchases. What's in your wallet? This is in all likelihood the final home game of Dwayne Wade's career. Yeah. Because it's not the greatest situation. I'm sure they went into the season hoping that Wayne Wade wouldn't be their best player. Yeah. At his age entering his final season. But it's also testament to how great Dwayne Wade is Greg Cody is in here on a Greg Cody Tuesday, he's on time. So for that. We thank you. And we'll give you and your article some love tell the people what you wrote in the herald, Greg, Cody. Well, let's go day in Miami. As we say, farewell Dwayne and I wrote a tribute com. Unabashedly sentimental in in praise of Dwayne and in. Thanks, and I know Dan did too. Because he's he's worth everything we're going to show him tonight with the career. He's had H. And what a way he's gone out sixteen games in a row scoring in double figures off the bench. He's led the team in scoring fourteen times this season if he's not really high in the six man of the year voting it'll be a crime. He's just a really gone out with at a top level. You know, he's his tanks not empty. He. He's going out on his terms, and and he's really sticking the landing on a fabulous career. How are you guys handling today? How did you feel when you woke up today? It's really washed over me in a big way. Roy did you feel any sort of a motion. I know that's a usually a bit of an upset when it comes to ROY Bellamy. No, no at all. No, not the slightest bit done your decked out. You're wearing. Jersey doing this for the camera. You you got a number three hat, you feel nothing. I feel nothing go to the game. I'm going to work. I had to cover the game yours. You talking about the question to credential because you wanted to go I requested a credential could make some money. Why don't you give us anything? Just just you won't call Claire, and he sort of nicknames. I know you're lying. You have to call her sweetheart. It's impossible for you to only call her Clare. It stuck all these since you did that segment there is no way. You're just fibbing. You woke up. It was a special occasion you put on that number three hat, and you're like damn this is the last time I'm going to get to see the greatest athlete in south Florida sports history. Play for his team at home. No I woke up, and I thought to myself at is sleep too. Well, there's I was stuck watching it national championship game last night. I slept on the couch. Because it was a boring game like to go to sleep. Why did you finish watching it? You're gonna break it down break it down for us. I got nothing for you. Because I slept at halftime. Okay. I bet Twitter ROY has motions about this. Just you know in person ROY is the one that won't let us see anything. I mean. That's right Twitter. Roy felt more for Kyle Korver yesterday than Dwayne Wade. So this is you'd need to tap in the something because if any athlete can move you at all it's gotta be this one no emotion pass to be this night. I mean, I like you're sticking with the character. I'm not sticking with a character. This is me. Okay. How about at seven o'clock in let me tell you something south, Florida. If you're acids are not in those seats at seven o'clock, embarrass me your band, you are straight up band, Greg. Tell them, oh, you know. But the Miami doesn't do on time. The arena will be half empty at seven. And we all know it, and it's just the way of life. Is it going to be you don't think we're not going to step up one time? Time. There'll be a lot of empty seats at seven people are just too condition to to show up fashionably late. I mean, they should have known better. Maybe maybe this is actually starting at seven thirty because my whole theory is you should've told Miami that this is happening at six thirty. That's what I did with my wedding invitation. You know, anytime you throw a party in south Florida. You always gotta tell them like an hour before because people show fashionably late. My theory is at this doesn't actually start at seven. They should've said there's thirty because the game is starting at seven thirty. No, they should have said this thing is starting at six thirty and not started till seven. I I think something's in the works. I I think something because it's easier to go long like they've been running long with half times. It's easier to push back the sort of. It's not a nationally televised. Come on what you. Yeah. It's a shame on nationally televised. It's it's a damn shame greatest athlete in south Florida. Sports history. Your asses better be in those seats to honor him. It's the least you could do. It's the least you could do. Feels forced to me. Yeah. No. I'm forcing you to do know everybody waking up saying, oh my God. I'm going to be soul motion today. It seems like everybody's trying to talk themselves into it. What you haven't gone on Instagram and seeing all the photos? I that's a that's another thing. Today's just going to be about. Oh my God. I guess how many Dwayne Wade shirts. Oh my God. I owned four Dwayne Wade jerseys. Oh, look, here's a picture of me at a heat game. I was Dwayne Wade about everybody else. I was with you all seas. Well, it is about us. It is about. I think it is about the fans though, this tonight is also about the fans like we grew up with weight. I think this is just as much for us. It is for him. I mean, he's had all season. This is our chance to go to the arena and show him love like one more time. And I'm with you all season. I haven't been feeling it. But these last this last week these last two games it I've gotten like it's made me sad. I proposed in the column I wrote that that Wayne should start tonight. He hasn't started all season, and he should start tonight. Just so that his name can be called last and we can hear that introduction. One more time. I don't know if they're going to do it. But I think it would be a nice touch to an evening. It's gonna be full of nice stuff. Why wouldn't they the game? Doesn't mean anything. Who cares? I mean, they can give them the introduction and still not start. Also, are we going to see this Kobe game? Are we getting that tonight man Duane been playing within the flow the offense, especially if he if he starts there's a chance that he probably takes just a bunch of shots and tries to Kobe. How many points in Kobe have in his final game six? You went for six. He's going to get there. Like, it would be no it's going to be in his way. The over the dead body. If he does that body if he does that we have to be mentally prepared for the game where he goes, you know, four for twenty eight. Yeah. I mean, he he's it could happen that way. I'd rather play within the flow the offense. But you know, what? Tonight with tonight's on tonight night for efficiency for all intents and purposes, they are out of the playoff chase. It's going to be Detroit's playing two teams that are tanking in Memphis in York that race is over. But Dwayne will have a moment or two tonight in the game. Maybe maybe it will be a a monster dunk. Maybe it will be either end of Anneli you pass. Maybe it'll be a euro step where some defenders faked out of his shoes there will be a moment. Where Dwayne is the old Wayne? Okay. You can you sound like you're giving the motion. Well, I I will be emotional tonight. You know, this guy he's mental ought to this community. And you know, he's been a real important. Guy that I've covered in you know, other than Dan Marino. I don't think respected any athlete more. And and and I put Wayne above Dan Marino. I think Dwayne is is the the goat of Miami sports criticize his wine once and he got Mattia that that's one of the few dissonant notes. We've had. Yes. You know, what I wanna see more than bringing that up by the way, you know, what I wanna see more than anything today during way. Do I want to see him get somebody to bite on a pump fake? Yeah. I actually the Miami Heat did something cool. I guess it went through the tape because I didn't know that. This was a sad that people I think this was a project that they worked on all year. They actually tabulated all the times he's gotten somebody to bite on his pump fake, which is one of the better moves in NBA history. Five hundred eighty total pump fakes and he's gotten eleven hundred sixteen free throws out of it. Fifty eight and one's in his career ninety games with to pump fake. Aches. And did you see the murderers row of people that bid on at twice in one game, it semi in the beginning of it is Mike Dunleavy and Luke Walton CEO cow. Okay. But Shane Batty as on this, which I'm sure and the person that's been on the on the pump fake the most John salmon's. How about that? So that's what I wanna see. I won't. I also wanna see the fake to the left spin around to the right contested, mid range jumper. He's a it's a throwback. Saw Chris Whittingham on Twitter pointed this out like he's his game. His career has been built on that mid range jumper, and that's a loss. Our art form in today's NBA. So what you're seeing right now, and he's still killing that mid range game, which you're seeing right now is a throwback essentially on. I'm not really sure we'll see someone sort of build their game around the mid range game quite liked Wayne. Wade maybe an MBA history considering how the games change. I feel so bad for the person that had to look up all those pump fakes as a person that if we came up with that task would probably have had to look all that up. I feel for that person. I didn't know they even kept a static. Don't. Hopefully a team of people watching every game he ever did. You know, Dwayne is remarkable in many ways one of them is that he has really gone out. So well, you know, he he's gone out on such a high level, and he's aged gracefully which a lot of athletes. Don't and he's still got so much in his arsenal. He finds you know that step back fadeaway shot. He's got I mean, there's so many ways he can still be effective at age thirty seven and it it's too bad for the team. But such a tribute to him to actually say that he's the best player on the heat as he goes on a lot of people were sort of throwing dirt on him as recent to is like eight years ago, honestly with the knee injuries standing up in the way the game was evolving. Say no, this guy's just going to prematurely age, and as the seasons with the big three were really long, and you could see how bad his knees were you were thinking to yourself. Okay. Well, yeah. I ll LeBron's leaving make sense because Dwayne Wade's bodies broken. And here he is at this age looking at about as healthy as he has over the better part of a decade. Yeah. An aging gracefully in a way that many just didn't predict and we all remember when his minutes were managed for health reasons. And all and yeah, he's going out with his health intact. I think he feels as good as he ever has. You know, he's he's on record as saying I could play two more years in this role. You know, so he's not being forced out. He he's not going out because his body is telling him to he's just picked the time and gone out on his terms, and and I credit them for it. Where does he rank in terms of his generation, obviously, the bronze one is like the week? Like, how does this work? Does Durant fall into his generates Durant falls in his generation and sub because Kobe sort of bleeds into two generations. So even when Kobe was winning two titles San shack. I think a lot of people would rank Kobe right ahead of Dwayne so hot five easy. Dirks in there. I I would put weight over Dirk. Yeah. I would put weight over Dirk a guy. That's always sort of overlooked is Steve Nash, one of the greatest if not the greatest point guard of all time. He's certainly in that debate. Yeah. One of the greatest shooters of all time, but Wade's better than Seve Nash. I would say I would I would co maybe we'll Braun Kobe. Durant? And wait is how most people would sort of see it. I think that's reasonable. I I laughed out loud at the Paul Pierce nonsense. Let me hear what it sound like. When I left. You gotta be kidding me Pierce. You look at you laugh like that. And not coughing. I'm officially where my call. Oh. I want to declare wanna make an announcement door closes and one open officially over my call. Congratulations. Thank you for nine months out. Now Roy's overcome with emotion is. Well when the Panthers hired a great coach. I'm sure he wept openly at. There's a little fist pump though. All right. There you go. Did you write a column that that's this is the biggest higher in panther history? I I wrote that it's the most accomplished coach that a local pro teams hired since Pat Riley in nineteen ninety five and that's on a critical had you heard of him before yesterday. I'd heard of them in fact when when Chicago fired him early this season. I did look up the stance because I knew Chicago at one three Stanley Cups this decade. And I'm like did they just fire a guy who's won three Stanley Cups this decade? And sure enough they did. And and the minute they Chicago fired him the Panthers sitting coach Bob Brunner was on the clock fighting for his job because this is such a perfect pairing this guy in Dale Tallon in Florida so weird way to end the first segment Dwayne Wade's last home game. Yeah. Dwayne approves of this hiring to with a pin here. Bring bring packing. Stugatz. God's here. Spring is finally here. And you know, what that means the first tool to spring from? One eight hundred flowers dot com or in gorgeous, seasonal bloom. These vibrant tulips come in a variety of dazzling colors and are arriving just in time to bring in the new season. 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Eighteen minutes to click on the banner ad entitled, you won't believe what these child stars look like now, Vida satisfied and kind of sad about how the child stars look. And now your computer is plagued by incessant pop up ads on this can't be to add insult to injury. You could've used those fifteen click bait minutes to switch your motorcycle insurance to gyco. Geigo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on motorcycle insurance. Donlevatar? Texter writes in talk some puck. Stugatz puck you. This is a show with the stugatz on the ticket. Jonathan says low is fired up right now texting me. And when Greg Cody had that take about Joel Quenneville is a Joel Quenneville, Joel. Yeah. That's what I said, Joel Quenneville. He you said that he's the most accomplished play head coach that this market has hired since Pat Riley and za`z techs what I was thinking at the time was what about Jimmy Johnson. Because Jimmy Johnson one was he hired by the Miami Dolphins. It was post Pat Riley. I think it was sorta right around that time. That's a good question. It was right around that time. But I don't know exactly when but Jimmy Johnson had two Super Bowl championships. He had a national championship with the university of Miami. I'm going to stick with Quenneville for this reason. And and I know that outside of hockey Quenneville is by no means a household name, but three Stanley Cup championships and the second winningest coach of all time in the NHL behind only. Scotty Bowman that Trump's for me what Jimmy Johnson Jimmy Johnson was hired in nineteen ninety six and at that time. I remember one of the when I was a little kid. I remember Miami Herald front page that had. You know, my Miami being like coaching central. They had Leland. They had Pat Riley. Yeah, they had Jimmy Johnson. And they had McLean. Don't forget. Jennings. No, I'm gonna stick. With Quinn Ville, I'm gonna stick to my guns on this aisle. Jimmy Johnson is is certainly arguable. And I wish I had tosses the who gets credit for this Jimmy Johnson point because zaslov texted in thinking thought. Knows as has text. It was like we should probably address this because I'm sure there were few people yelling at their at their radios before we get back into twain. Wait guys DJ Wakefield contest has been cold in the official winner the shipping. Container. Beer flight challenge is me. Wow. What so honored? I'm so honored a remarkable three hundred beer comeback in twenty four hours. So grateful for all the fans and support blueberries will be canned. I am honored. I finished less. Chris, Cody, congratulations, I finished last. But I was within striking distance of third. I might add it was a late surge from blueberries, but second place ROY third place in a tight contest. Billy. So your can your. People. I want to thank I wanna thank all the people at Jay Wakefield. I wanna thank you you three in here for pushing me to make a better beer. Okay. I didn't put all my effort into a last year. But after seeing you guys I just said, you know, what this year, I'm turning it. And I welcome for making my dad. Remember loving beer. You didn't love beer the way. You did. I don't think I could have won this though. I just want to thank my wife my beautiful baby. Grace linton. I love you so much. I'm so happy. I'm just I'm overwhelmed. Thank you so much. This is great looking suitable. All right. So that can that will be can ginger, yum, yum. And we'll give you details on when that is your fissure going to be on the can I don't know there won't be like miss kind of sort of part of them. Now. All right, folks. Come on we want to see Dwayne Wade put up sixty shots. Let's do that. I think I'm in on this idea. I want to Wayne way, the hang from the rim. Again. I want weighed at to pump fake somebody and get an an one. I want Wayne. Wade the hang on the rim like after he throws down Euch nasty. I want Wayne way to run on top of the scores table and say this is my house after his first bucket like meeting help to get up there. I'm kidding. He doesn't need help. Become don't be. So don't do that. Who's going to be the just because he was going to be the big we're going to see him. Be like ooh came. Well, LeBron has been shut down for the season. But I will say that what what I mean. The gutter LeBron has been shut down for the season. The Lakers do have a game today. Lebron who's who didn't come to Chris Bosh Lakers last game of the season. Yeah. It's at home. Yeah. Have to be there. Lebron here. He's like the last one I want. He didn't think the reaction would be LeBron if he showed that would be to look at me let we have his night. I think as far more likely that there will be a video message from LeBron than than him showing up. I wonder how that will be receivable building that'll be cool to experience. There's a video there has to be some sort of they'll be angry. Lebron put over twin? Wade Ron was a mercenary who came down here. And he did the same to you that he did to the team before him. Dwayne Wade was your guy. And then he did it to you know, we did it to Wayne we did it to Billy. I don't. Look real talk talk before the show. I said, you know, what I'm not going to be on the parade today. I don't wanna do it. Have the day. Instead. Want twain weight and everybody here to have the day. There was talk about me doing an anti montage for Dwayne Wade. And I said I don't like let's let him have his day today. I don't need to play the clip of him saying you always wanted to be in Chicago. We don't need that today. That's not something that is today is about let him have his day. But honestly, this LeBron how you be mad at LeBron. But not matted twain, look, you got LeBron the exact same way he left you the exact same way. And he had no loyal to this to this place for any reason. There was no reason for LeBron to be loyal to the city went Dwayne Wade was the okay, he read your homegrown guy. They drafted and then he left you. If anyone you should be more mad at him than you are liberal. But we're not like you're speaking on the way, we felt when he left we're not that mad at LeBron more. We're just saying if he made a video tribute it might be received a little fifty fifty nobody hates LeBron. I mean, maybe there are a few people most fans are over at. They're not as hard as they were. And that's it. And honestly, I think history will look back on it saying, Pat Riley's one that screwed that up with Wayne way. Because I mean, Dwayne left for more money. The Miami Heat were offering LeBron what was the most money because they had his rights and LeBron left, and it was actually the right move for LeBron and it turned his career rounding went from villain to hero by winning Cleveland that championship, but the wing was district felt disrespected by the offer he got from the Miami Heat. And he got a bigger offer from Chicago. Right. You can't ignore Pat Riley's hand in that. He was the one who was consistently upset understandably that he was the one being asked to take all the discounts. It's why he left it's why Dirk Nowitzki is still in Dallas because he kept taking all of the discounts. And at the end Wade knew there was not a lot of time left on that body. And he's like, no pay me. Now, you understand why that broke apart? Yeah. Wade's career long sacrifice of money. And ego is one of the remarkable things about his time here. Mike, you'll find funny. Chris bosh? This is funny. Okay. Because you remember when Chris Bosh got here. He was talking about very very soon. Very fast. He was profound by saying look, you don't know the sacrifices you're making until you're making them yesterday. When Bosch was roaming around here. He said something that I'd forgotten about which is you know, I was supposed to be the leading score on that team. Like people thought that my game fit with them. I figured out in like a few games. Oh, no. They weren't going to be passing to me. He thought he was coming down here to be the leading score on that the lead don't thought, but think about it because his game fit with theirs, and we were thinking, oh, it's just going to be these mid range jumpers all the time whenever he wants to mid-range jumpers, actually if his game volved earlier than it actually did in south beach session. Chris Bosh made me laugh out loud. With like, how do you solve Hibbert? How do you solve Hibbert? We were going crazy. How do you solve Hibbard and back? Then Chris Bosh is game was still mid range and inside. And now, he's like in retrospect, man, I should've just shot a three all I had to do was shooting off three and ever would have been gone off from the series word of made like he makes tens of millions of dollars less in his career Hibberd is a non factor if Chris Bosh just takes a step back. It would have been interesting to see and the big three have a large hand in the games. Evolution the pace that the pace in space that they were playing with. But if they just recognize too. Chris Bosh at the five step in up to three a little bit more often earlier, man. Holy crap. Probably three titles. They would have been better. Yes. We were talking about Dwayne Wade's. You were here sitting silently, there's no way Dion waiters. Let's Dwayne Wade. Put up sixty shots today. Right. Those waiters leads Dwayne Wade start. Nope. I think you have to sit the waiters just to prevent him. Jed round body. There's no way the waiters thinks tonight is for him. Dion waiters is going to be like, where's my like might remember my shot against Golden State where the shirts for that? I mean, remember that. Ooh. Remember that sixteen game streak? Have you guys? Probed? Greg cody's inner jealousies about me, thundering out of retirement and putting my face in the paper today like this makes him crazy. Every time never told his don't do. So Dan asked me to tweet out the column right because he can't find it because he's he's million years old on and it will say this one was tough to find. But I put it out there. They now though, I it's out there on Twitter and its being very well received. How do you know that coincidentally areas about five minutes five minutes after I done? Let's get into this second coincidentally, five minutes after you tweet it out my column and pinned it to the profile and everything I got a request from Greg. Then I never get which is hey, can you tweet out my car, right? Yeah. And I said in the text you I said, I don't ask often. Thanks if you can. And I meant it off. You don't ask for that? Or as for Petula making as facts, we in fact, no one makes more asks around here than you do about anything by leaps and bounds. There is no close second place. Right. Well, it is true. That that I wished the show would would tweet out a link to everything I write because it's only about four things a week. But you know, that's not really your the amount. We tweet out which was everything I wrote. Okay. Wow. Okay. And see there is Chris. That's what it's like to forever disappoint your father right there. You try to please him you give him something and he wants more. Yeah. Because the show only tweets out. Maybe what one hundred tweets a week. But there was no she not adding four more. No hesitation, no hesitation. It's a great day to have all that content out there. It's twain way day it is it's goat day in Miami. Yeah. Are you sad? I'm sad. I'm sad. But not as sad as I'm going to be tomorrow. I think tomorrow when I'm like damn I'm never I'm legit never going to see him again yourself to be said to you. Why don't you just say tonight's going to be a fun night? And it'll be good because I don't think this whole I'm going to cry tonight. Tomorrow is gonna suck wind can make tonight fun. If twain goes off has a big moment or we see flashes of flash. Like we've seen many times a season. Hell if he has just a game that he had last game in Toronto where he was a times a best player on the court had a both teams. And that was a team that was featuring Kawai Leonard. I'm I'm going to be, you know, perma smile like that. I'm going to be so happy to see that. And by the way, tomorrow night is going to be tantamount to Dwayne Wade night over again, I think a lot of celebrities and athletes and everything going to show up for well. There's a lot of Miami people that usually when the he play in Brooklyn. They get a really strong crowd out there. Pro heat fans sound like a heat crowd because of the reaction. Wade gets in a few Miami friends that are going to that game and got and got tickets. Oh and Dwayne. We'll probably do the right thing and play that back end of a back to back for those people that are going to feel like you're totally. It'd be different. If this was a Marlins thing that was happening today. Like if they are bringing back Louis castio or Miguel Cabrera feel like even though those guys went to other teams, I feel like your tone would be a little different feel like you just have something something about Wade. I don't I I honestly like it's just everybody's coming in like, I'm going to be so sad. Why don't you just live tonight? And see how you react when you react. Like, you're building yourself up to be miserable or happier. Whatever just live your life. Man. Like, why do you need to prepare in advance? I'm going to cry tonight. Tomorrow is going to be terrible for me. See that's the thing though. There's no equivalent with the Marlins. There's no Dwayne Wade in Marlins history. You know, they call Jeff Conan, Mr. Marlin. He he doesn't carry Wade's duffel bag if in which isn't even a phrase, but I just thought pulled it out. But you know, what? I mean, there's no like woodland. There's Dan Marino chronologically. There's Dan Marino. There's Dwayne Wade. That's that's the end of the debate. There's nobody else and there's nobody on the horizon who's third. I mean, there's sports radio. It's such a goal. Find out who's third. Donlevatar Paula Famer, Tony Burrows peas in the show. Hall of Famer Andre Dawson does not stugatz. That is the news that I bring you. I'm a journalist disease lebatardshow with stugatz on the ticket. Wait who the hell is third. If we're doing sports figures, I think I can make a solid argument for Don Shula. But we all we all agree. First and second it's not even close is not a reconnaissance Jason Taylor now. Third third. It's a hall of Famer first ballot. If we're including coaches, my mount Rushmore is Wade Marino, Shula and Riley. But what if you're not including coach, then then JT definitely is is up there. But is he third who would go ahead of Jason Taylor? I think you put Jason Taylor. Zach Thomas together. They were literally family, right? Oh for doing combos. I mean third might be LeBron for years about how about third being LeBron. About that. Because Jason Taylor was beloved down here. Even though he played for the jets people seem to forget about that. And the Redskins. While he was traded there. But the he made the decision to go to the hated rival jets. But it's all brawn. Okay. It's not that hard as I thought it was run. I don't think. Oh, Mike because it's got it. Can't just be excellent. Gotta be excellence and emotional connection to a dude that endures long after he's done playing it. Yeah. Well, two titles blue. No, none of those number one. And he didn't even win one titles. I think in this conversation longevity does come. That's why Zach Thomas would be up there. Very very popular for a very long time. Lonzo morning. Oh that that's a better one than I think Jason Taylor. Honestly, that's just because you're a basketball kid you football. I know you didn't love the dolphins fan. When Jason Taylor was close to his peak because when the Browns moved to Baltimore, I wasn't going to support the raven. So the dolphins were my team that whole Jimmy Johnson era. I really liked that team. But no, I think Alonzo Mourning if you're doing coaches, I know you do Riley and Shula. But Jimmy Johnson is well, no because of the hurricanes, right? You have to add the hurricanes. Still the only guy who's coach both teams. Yeah. But it did end as a bit of a disappointment down here. Head coach both teams want. He was a part of that that hurricane staff, and honestly what a legend. Cody, did you ever get into did you ever confirmed in anyone ever confirmed? The Dave wants that at one point was offered a ten or twenty year deal to be the university of Miami coach wild. He was the dolphin coach. It was something that I saw reported at the time. But I was never able to confirm it from anybody. I don't think it's ever been confirmed. But you remember what I'm talking about? Right. I remember hearing the speculation about that. I don't remember who reported it. I just remember hearing it as rumors and stuff. How jealous was Greg? Cody, Chris, how jealous was your father this morning that my Wade column got out there minutes before his did? He was on Twitter yesterday telling everybody, my Wade column drops at six AM. I did six AM sharp. Right. Wade column. Trump's right. I wanted online before you're calling and I did I'm not even kidding. I had a conversation yesterday with two of the herald sportscenter. Unlike oh, lebatardshow embargoed until seven. Thirty you know, what? He takes this morning asked me to unpick in your tweet from the that is not the truth. It would have been a good idea. I didn't think of it. I didn't mean to steal your thunder. They asked me my Mike knows because I was trying to I was trying to pawn. This piece off on billion Mike wanted them to do a sports center piece about their relationship about how he taught certain people in this town how to be sports fans because to me were you startled where any of you startled. I know it's been a septic tank down here in sports for a long time. But we're any of you startled by the fact that the Marlins have had ten managers and no playoff appearances since Wade arrive the dolphins have had nine coaches including Nick Sabin, and no playoff wins. The the hurricanes. Haven't won even the cruddy ACC one time since Wade start it and the Panthers haven't won a playoff series either. ACC clemson's won two national titles. Florida state's one won three national titles. Cruddy ACC. This guy mental punch in the face. Yeah. The Panthers just hired their sixteenth coach in twenty five years. No, no stability. Now. The coastal though, where you buy where you guys surprised by that at all that the losing has been that much around this winter also they did win the ACC in basketball. I I was aware of that. And it's one of the many reasons why Dwayne Wade is special. Why he's so beloved because the franchise is the only winning team in town over a sustained period of time. It's pretty remarkable when their average when they're five hundred and fighting for the spotlight this season. It's monumental disappointment. Only because we expect so much. It is a monumental disappointment. The most expensive team in the sport missing the playoffs. And this twain way thing gives us a little bit of feel good. But he's right about the raised standard though. Mike because yeah playoff. I'm we're old enough to remember when Steve Smith and the heat making it to the hawks in the playoffs. It's something that mattered around here. Icke smith. Yeah. Oh, what a terrible nickname. That was a physical series to think there was a brawl. John CONCACAF was in the middle of it yet grand long by line. Grant Long was one of the scary. Miami Heat blessed with intimidating powered Fords. I mean PJ Brown Grant Long you UD hundred we handle this. You d thing too is I know tonight's all about Dwayne. But this is a little awkward coming back next season. Just because he wades gotten all this attention. He's like, I I get one of these. Well, you d hasn't said he's retiring, right? No on the contrary sort of leaking out. Although he did that thing on media day where he likes it on a hoop, and we all just assumed it was a retirement thing. He didn't say it's word, those explains Wapping jerseys with tonight is it going to be do you d I would self. The younger version of himself. They're going to have like a hologram. A hologram tonight. A cool moment will be if you checks into the game. I mean, I don't know how doing how air expulsion approaches this because they technically have to get it. So I don't know if he's like I'm gonna play you down as twenty five minutes, that'd be a little odd considering they need to technically. So when you guys sitting here doing pistons math are we doing pistons math because Orlando in Brooklyn now in your only hope is that in Charlotte beat us Detroit in Detroit the other day, your only hope is that the Troy loses the rest of it's games. Right. Yeah. Pistons a their form is as poor as Miami. Lately. They've lost four in a row. However, they're playing Memphis in the Knicks. So it's brutal man for all the indictments of this year's heat team. And Wade has been one of the few positives of one of the greatest you could file it when they needed the games the most they played their most losing basketball season. There haven't been a lot of losing streaks like this then needed all the games, and they lost all of them. Yeah. They did four in a row at the worst possible time, but they have put up a fight though. I thought that loss. In Toronto was a tremendous performance by Miami. It was a great performance. I mean Toronto's very good, and they caught up tough break with the inbounds Aaron whatever was happening with the referee also their comeback in Boston. The the the away fixture in the the back to back that was difficult because the referee. Joey Crawford would not let the Miami Heat back into that game with some very questionable. Call. I I don't think many heat fans are disappointed that that their last sight of. I said Joey Crawford. I'm sorry PTS's so many brothers also BTC Dwayne is going to beat tonight rather than in two playoff games in a four or five game series. I got a prediction, and it's the TV prediction for the broadcast tonight. Eric Reid's gonna cry? Wow. Going to be awesome. I'm gonna I'm recording. It put it on the pole. Guillermo at lebatardshow is Eric Reed going to cry tonight. I have a prediction as well. They're gonna get the way way Biscay boulevard tonight. Why everybody's got predictions. Billy. Do you have anything you've been really out predicted by the other two with strong? Predictions tonight. I feel like tonight they're going to find something on oak island. I'm telling you tonight is the night. They find something. You're gonna can you can you to be the urinate or should've let Billy Wright your way puff. Yeah. That's something that you said you try to pawn this out to you try to let me and Billy yet. That message never trickled its way down to me. And I feel like now Philly we talked about this on air. We talked about the idea that sportscenter had asked us as a crew to do something. And I asked you and Mike if not wanted to do for Senate in and ask us as a crew we came back. I'm like, oh, Dan says let's have Mike and Billy do it. Which is not really something sports and wanted to hear. It's cute that you think that they they value us as much as you. I am picturing the reaction in Bristol. They appreciate it. What you don't think that it would have been a cool story to tell Miami guys raised by Dwayne wait. No, not to them not to them to them. It looks like Uday want to do it. And hey, here's my producer and the other producer who's publicly patched him. Well, no, wait a minute. This Dr turn since then Billy hasn't been this aggressive with his criticism of Dwayne Wayne criticism. It's the truth. You people are living in crazy land where you're pretending things. Just didn't have it. Oh, you know, what we can't be mad at twin? Wait, we should be mad at Pat Riley. Godfather, we can never be bad about rally for anything. We'll never be mad pyro. He's done. No wrong, ever, accept the only way thing. But that's the way. Wait. No. It's about right? Well. Oh, I can't remember that anyone in the heat. All we always have to praise the heap praise. The you know, the he. Oh, we have higher expectations for the maybe it's because they're always telling you championship Coulter. And all this other stuff. Maybe if they wouldn't tell you constantly we're about winning winning winning you'd give them a pass sometimes and billions and billions defense. He did. Generously. Say earlier that give Dwayne his day, which I thought was mighty big of them. I did say that. And you guys keep poking at me 'cause you want this to happen. And I'm not going to give it to you. I will not say negative thing today. Forty your gave it I'm not gonna fall for the trap. They ask you what you would feel. You said I think they find the treasurer on Oakland that was you being like nights that was a kindest comment. You had about I lied. I lied. They're not gonna find anything. They'd never find anything on that show. Billy has created the nickname. Cody that used to be something that the clever columnists in this town created he's given Pat Riley, the nickname pass Riley pass Riley because he gets a free pet because when they lose against Boston at home, you're still at that press conference writing a happy Dwayne Wade goodbye column and they lose their biggest game of the season. You're still over there writing. Dwayne Wade best pass Riley pass Riley, also works. Ooh. I mean, look Riley's had a lot of high path all these too far. Pets had couple of high profile mistakes here since LeBron left. It has what does he is? He right really he acquired the acquired Goran Dragic and signed him to contract that made sense. So the garage thing honestly, it his planes were neutered by the Chris Bosh blood clots multiple clot. So you can't tell the story without saying that, but he's handed out a lot of bad contracts. He pushed away and didn't handle the Dwayne Wade Chicago thing well at all they're missing the playoffs with the most expensive team in the sport right now. They just like what they did. With some straight up assassin stuff to Rodney mcgruder no-one's crying. Rodney mcgruder running mcgruder missing this game sake. Grape variety mcgruder that was bull. What they just did Rodney mcgruder Illy. Will you get goosebumps tonight at any point watching? I don't know. I mean, I'll I'll watch and all experience it as experience it, but I'm not going to sit these expectations for myself like all this is going to be the greatest Intel Florida's sports history botch it, and however feels how I feel text me if you get goosebumps. Roy will you let me know if you are overcome with the motion at any point, though, of course, not won't give me, and he refuses to believe that he's excited for tonight, ROY Royal sandpaper and barbed wire and his repressions run deep. Doug, right. You don't think he's aware of his emotions? I mean, I think he doesn't have emotion. I think he only has emotions that are dedicated to his wife and child on Twitter. But not so much for his child that he only calls Claire not sweetheart now, baby. Not one nicknamed not ever got a nickname. Just Claire that's her name occasionally will mix in her middle name. Good morning. That's my wife that does that. I just call close Claire Claire Claire everybody else and give her a nickname. That's all we find. On fodder. All right caller. Claire, that's it. What if you did have an affectionate nickname? What would it be? What would it be come on? I haven't thought about it. So I don't know. Okay. Social places that he does not go. These are closed down quarantine. They're covered. In termite tent. What was yours for Chris? I've always called them Christopher. I'm the only one on earth who calls them Christopher. I mean, he's always called Greg. I call some weird thing going he he doesn't even remember this. But when he was a little boy I used to call him handsome. I do actually remember that that was the code word at my aftercare, you needed a code word member if you wanted to pick. All right. That's right. Yeah. Code word. Then you stop being handsome, right? And when he was playing baseball as he was walking to the plane had to go go because up. That's true. By that. At what age did you become announcer in high school? He'd be like now batting Chris, Cody, and they turn the Mike off go Chris. That's true. I do that on a whole big done on his wedding day as they're taking their them like go, Chris rock a conflict of interest. Gods? How are you going to experience night? We haven't had you on my couch. Really? Yeah. My listen to this emotional guy over here. The only thing I've heard him say the entire season about Dwayne Wade was the other day when caught up in the emotion of things he said, Mike, we sold our tickets to early we could have gotten a lot more than we did. I mean, I'm telling you some guy got like thirty something thousand dollars for two tickets. I mean, I gave him up about three years too early. Just sat on them just for this game. And that's courtside though. I, but you remember the LeBron games? Like, LeBron, you know, like the heat wolves on a Thursday night would fetch a fifteen hundred dollars. Those were good times. I don't remember that. Really? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's guy first season. Don't you remember this? It was one of the great scams in the history of south Florida sports where he would buy season tickets. He would sell his season tickets for a lot more than he bought them. And then he would ask the heat for two more tickets and sometimes he'd sell those two. That's why I drew the law and my friends. The American publicly like through the line like flipping houses, privately was a different story. Receipts and good times actually one eighteen a worse guy. Dion waiters is not going to let Dwayne Wade shoot tonight. Right. Those going to steal the ball away from 'em rights to that's right later shouldn't play. I mean because I am worried about that. Yes. He will not allow way. I'm just I won't wait taking all the shots. The last one doesn't matter. Do they let him do the last COPA game? If the last one isn't for a playoff spot. Do you start doing way not tonight? But the last one if it's not gonna matter if the pistons win in Brooklyn, I mean, I don't think I think tonight Wade's going to treat this as a sendoff you'll play in Brooklyn out of respect for the people that are paying to see him one last time. There's a lot of Miami people out in in Brooklyn that go to those games. So I think you'll make an appearance but tonight if there's a night where Dwayne can go off his career, highs fifty five I don't think we're expecting that. But nice little thirty five to forty burger who's feeling that went thirty five to forty. No, he should start tonight. Dwayne just so that we can hear his name called one last time. I don't care if he starts. He shouldn't start a one minute. He should start. He should start alone. You d two. Players. That's it to on five with that. For the first three minutes. Get it three. Wait. They're not gonna be down fifty five to nothing in matter. Did the Sixers need this one. Or are they pretty much locked in hanging? This is the saddest thing I've ever seen right here. Ending the local hour with looking at the Sixers does this team needed. Are they trying they're locked him? They're like ten eight donate it. Yeah. The game. Take the l it's doomed. It's pretty doomed. Like, I can't see them making the playoffs. Why would Blake Griffin and Detroit lose to both the Knicks and Memphis? Yeah. I'm Memphis starting a bunch of G league guys there. There's no way they're going to win in Detroit tonight where you get emotional. Well, you I'm going is that enough? Will you get emotional? So emotion fist pump on the U. Based on j will you be there at seven? Will you be there at seven? I mean, you are a softy for like a community connection. And this the city is really connected to Dwayne Wade. Even though as Billy said, he left that one time. But even in his leaving not you said, it's a fact this isn't something I invented in my head. Speculate. Will you be overcome with the most? We'll poppy has poppy ready to forgive father won't for. No, no, come on. There's a night. I write anything positive about it. It's father going. My father will be there and will be booing during the ceremony. Well, eating free chips and hot dog. Dog.

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Poppin' Packs | '91-92 Hoops w/ James Worthy

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Poppin' Packs | '91-92 Hoops w/ James Worthy

"Is Get on pulp and PATSIES, a big one seven time all stop three time. Champ Hall of Famer in two thousand and three, and of course, one of the best nicknamed in NBA history from the Showtime Lakers. It's Big Game James Worthy. Then, we are connecting. There is what's happening. J.! Hey, man, good. How are you? Thanks very much joining me today, pleasure brother. Golf course. I decrease the deficit a little bit. I'm still whole. Today well. I flew. We're going to have some fun tonight. Because this is a this is a segment. Do with some former place, and you'll the biggest name of fast I'm excited to hear some stories about what it was like to be on the Showtime Lakers. It was a long time ago, but I think I can remember well. I've come dressed with the pot anyway. He's my go okay like that. And not only that I've got I've got a little something else here that you might like as well you've probably seen. Some new there you go. Now. You're making me feel good. Well that poses a pretty all one, but it's a classic. I love it. Sira is one of my favorites are well. The way this works is. I've got a pack of all. The NBA. From I think ninety ninety one. And I will open these up. I'll give you a few clues. Hopefully you can guess the player and tell us a few stories. Try My best. Okay, let's let's let's see what we got the. Hang on hang on. Right whoops. Okay I guy here. He was a shop shooting. God most known for his time in the Phoenix Suns, he also played for the Denver Nuggets and then the Portland Trailblazers in. Was An all star. In fact, he was a Carolina Guy, too, but he was before your time there Carolina came at a couple of years before you did. Shooting number six, and he played a famous. He played in Phoenix and he played in. Would it nicknamed. Be The Greyhound Walter Davis that that is very good the gray. Davis areas. I I used to go to. North Carolina basketball when I was like fourteen thirteen years old and Walter, Davis was one of my favorite players on the team. He and feel Ford so when you say Phoenix sharp shooter I knew right away that it was Walter Davis Yeah, he was. He played pretty light career as well. If I remember correctly. Think ended up in Denver and then on to be a broadcaster for the Denver Nuggets, and then I think ended up in. Washington DC right right all right one for one. Here, okay this next guy. You remember no debt because this team. He's playing for the Houston Rockets, but in nineteen ninety seven. He had a huge game against the Lakers in the playoffs. Yeah, fifty in the playoffs in one game starts off elimination. Ninety, seven, nine, hundred, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety seven. Eighty, seven, eighty seven. Houston Rockets. No, he's five. The Houston Rockets on these card, but it was at the time with the Golden. State. Warriors yet fifty one and in one game think you guys are up three love in the series in any state. From Gastonia North, Carolina. US High School. And the only reason that I never want a high school. State Championship was because my main man. I used to go to church with this guy. Boy there. You go there, you go. That's right sleepy. What. What do you remember bet that game? Where he had the fifty? You guys sort of like ready to go home and just took off the gasol. I remember distinctively. We were up trio and we were going into game four open to win. And my three and Michael Kuker started to talk trash. To sleepy floor. And I say Kook don't do that, I, said No. Do that. And He woke. Up, and sleeping went to work and forced us to a game, five Yeah Los Angeles. Yeah, that's. Why was he called sleepy deny? Well, his eyes were always kind of droopy right. He looked like one of the. Doors. Especially when he walked into a gymnasium he always had to refocused is is. That! Nickname has been around for a long time. That's listen. That's awesome all right. Do well to for to hear this guy. You most notably remember this guy he plays the Atlanta Hawks bears around a little bit. He plays the Spurs and the clippers. In fact, he's a current coach of the clippers. Also, was the. The King of flopping. People a lot of people thought it was. A lot of diva but. Doc Rivers you know. A steady defensive player out of Marquette. was was was really get defensive player for the Blackhawks Yep and Won a championship with. I can't remember the team that he wanted NBA championship with I. Think Saint, Louis or something like that. Anyway yeah it was. It was Boston. I hate saying that we're. Sorry let me ask you this. Then you know because this. IDEA IN ORLANDO. One of the teams could make it could be. The clippers could be the Celtics, if if the finals was the clippers versus the Celtics. Who would you cheer for? I'm not even GONNA knowledge that. There wouldn't be any Los Angeles loyalty there. You're just by you know if you were said the Lakers in the Celtics, giving your answer are the Lakers and the clippers, but yet have no asher for you there I can't check. That's good shows it a town, still some passion. They're nothing times. Those words there. Okay well. This next guy one of my favorite of all time. Because he to the biggest free throws in NBA All Star game history. Nine hundred ninety seven as well going back to nine hundred ninety seven. Remember this because you. Know Blackman. Landau Blackman Yeah. Yeah I'm. Great for Kansas State Yup. Really the heart and soul of the Dallas Mavericks Franchise. A great team player great leader, they had mark Maguire Yup and some other players. But we're Landau Blackman was. was collapsed and was definitely clefts in that all star game where we're able to win on his free throws spit descending overtime, and we took it from them. What are you remember when he went to the free throw line? Did you think he was gonNA knock him down a lot of pressure. Yeah, yeah, and I think she was receiving a lot of. A lot of trash talk. Remember what he's saying when he made it, but it was. He says saying. Are One. Man or something like that he said confidence baby this baby. Yes, sir. Sharpshooter if you WANNA take a big shot. Do you got. A, better all style gaming is than that one ninety seven. That was a good one. Talent Lana teams. And a lot of bragging rights yeah. Yeah. Whole famous to on that. On that court I. This next one was a teammate of yours for a lot of years. In fact I believe I saw one time. He said that when you were a rookie new came into the Lakers. You going to take these guys spot, but this guy up. Taught You A. Lesson along the way. Pretty tough go. I moved onto Phoenix and Charlotte I. think he was part of the expansion draft. He went to the Hornets. And, We we trade we traded. Retreating Kurt Rambis I believe for. I can't remember, was it? Gliding or Michael are Kobe. I can't remember, but he went to Charlotte Yeah. I came to the Lakers. The number one draft pick. And I was arrogant, but I was really confident. That I could start. In, so walked into the gym and I saw Corinne Magic. You know. Jamaal Wilkes was still small forward yet. Norm Nixon was on the team. And then Kurt Rambis Walton in the gym. On these big old coke bottle glasses. Don't take. Keeping them together. He smell like Ben Gay. He had all these apparatus and I was like you know what he's slow. He can't. I, said I'm going to get that spot. Well within about thirty minutes into the first practice Kurt Rambis, show me what a real power forward was right in the NBA. Beat the hell out of me. Saying you know what I'm GonNa go ahead and sit on the bench. Wait a couple years. Because I wasn't getting Kurt spot. He was monster. Monster out of Santa Clare? Barely made it into the NBA and. The Lakers picked him up and saw he was a valuable Tau Ford, if you go back to the nineteen eighty two championship game. Kurt rambis ducks on. Darryl Dawkins are right hand. He has some talent. Yeah, we just didn't need it. Does that Siamese incident against the Celtics I think it was eighty four maybe in the finals where? Kevin McHale Kevin McKell waxing, and you're the one who. Stops that from really going into a full on because you kind of get in Kurt vices, keep him. It was my first experience in the playoffs. I was a young kid and saw when that happened. It was a lot going on, so my curriculum vision all I saw the body. And I thought somebody was coming at me. So pushed Kurt yet way from Kevin McHale. And now Kevin McHale thanks to this day because. Kurt was gonNA kick his ass. I think I've seen Kevin mcallen Larry Bird that like that was like not even much of a fail just got it. Well, it was. It was and today's game. You be suspended for at least three games right? McKell dangling technical for that. Just to. Keep playing. It! It's it's crazy when you think back now you're right like like the US I think Larry Bird even said at some time. He said the Lakers started flopping around. It's like I mean. You took as head off nearly there. Changed the complexion of the series because. We were angry and that's why I had to play that way in and we we. So they kind of took us off our game, right. Next one here this gentleman, this guy so so towards the end of your career nine hundred ninety one. You guys were actually not the favourite to go through the finals, but he calls an upset and beat the. The trickle into the farmers. I guess I had I'm quarter. This goes the point off for that. And you go here, reporter. Terry. Terry Porter. You know one of the most underrated guards I put him right up there with. With, some of the top guards in the lead, steady, strong or good team leader, bigshot maker. Michael Cooper was really good defensively on him, blocking his shot, but Terry Porter was great Claire Not, too many people talk about him, but he was an underrated guard in the league. Match them up against anybody. From what I hear. He's pretty good Golfer as well. News the best golf their. WHO's the best retired plan. Jordan. Tire retired would be Jerry West. Jerry West pretty good reality radio and I hear it's pretty good right, right, yeah! Michael as well I mean Steph curry is. Steph Curry? Is, pretty good as well. What was the key to you guys beating the places and causing the upset in that? Game One on the ride, and then it kind of like you, health court backing Los, Angeles, and then game six was a pretty close one. If you guys lose, that was woman. Magic throws the ball over his head at the end of the game. Is You lose that? Do? You think he's got to win that series and seven well I. do think Portland was a slightly better team that year. But we had more experience. And we were able to take away their strengths primarily. Clyde Drexler and their running game, so we were able to diminish to keep the game close. Yeah, we can close games magic. We had experienced, and that's kind of where let's with with paid out. After that was a great series. NEXT ONE SO WELL! The opposite this time back in. Back in nine, hundred, ninety six. You guys were favorite in this series, but you ended up getting upset. Quiet time and his team with the coach this team. This is the next coach of that team. Ninety nine Rudy Rudy Tom John. Now he wasn't the coach. He wasn't a coach stand. There was another guy who's the coach. For the Houston Rockets, in ninety ninety six. Oh, was that would that be? Bill Pitch area fits yeah. Yeah Bill fits was. Costa? Celtics for a while yet and. Not, too many players today currently. Could take plan for Bill Fitch. He was one of the one of the last. In your face down of the coaches, but his record speaks for itself. He knew how to coach on his feet, and he knew how to get the best players. What wh why. Why would they able to beat? You guys four games to one in that series like you guys with defending champs was just Ralph and Akeem one. Well we took them for granted. We were already looking ahead. To the Celtic rematch. Yeah, and also our last couple of games with Greg sees or guests, the Houston Rockets and they. They gained a lot of confidence. It had a king. Obviously the dream was devastating to us. But the also had read Williams. Loy has players and they ran with us. They maxed are running program and also had like we did whatever we need to go half court. We had Korean they had a came. They just they just took us by surprise. That was the toughest match up for you guys I mean you had a kit you had you had Korean on Ralph Sampson. And then I guess Kirk was on a key most of that series and. Came was probably to athletic too long. I, guess and we even we've been brought Mitch check-in. To piss. Off. Work, we got him in a fight. Tossed out of the game. We thought we had a chance. Yes, that miraculously. Last shot by Ralph Sampson. The Lakers had been. To the finals in eighty two. Eighty, three, eighty, four, eighty five, and so we. We kind of took them for granted because. We. Just beat the Celtics Eighty five. We're looking forward to bet, but I have to say. The rockets were better chain. They brought letter and they played better together, and they deserve to beat us. It went by accident that. One, yeah, well, Bill Fitch I remember. I think he was on bill. Simmons podcast one time said that. They came off a series of tough series against Denver. Straight. To Los Angeles. I think lost that first game and he said he said otherwise. He thinks he would have swept the Lakers though because it seems better, but. I mean. Everyone thinks that I guess well this next one. This is the guy. This is the man now for the Houston Rockets who? Who? Was The star of that series and. He he was utterly was to become. The Lakers tried to tried fame and tried to get him at some point two in the late eighties there. Yes funny out played against Chemo, one in nineteen, eighty two. In the NCAA. Play offs and Back, then they had the flash SLAMMA JAMMA YEAH HOUSTON and a keen allies gone didn't even start. I only think he played very limited minutes. He was straight from Nigeria off the soccer field. Great soccer going. And when he came in the game, he had no basketball IQ. But I, knew then. That his presence, and his is athleticism was noticeable, but he wasn't a factor back then we were able to beat them, but when he when he got one votes loan. DOWN IN HOUSTON. He started workout with Moses Malone to get the concept and the theory of the game, and then the dream shake. There was there was no looking back after the yes. Where do you rank him? Next Patrick Ewing David Robinson in a shack. Where would you put the king? A lot of always say Kareem abdul-jabbar. Yeah for centers, but It'd be hard not to pick. Akeem allies. He's second. Behind Korean and may be a one eight career after Ramos one. Came Allies on one and I know I'm overlooking Shaquille David Robinson sentence, but. Akeem Olajuwon! Defensively as well I mean real, do old time lettering blocks. He's up there in steals as well like not many centers get as many steals as exact I super long offs. I think I think his his. His experiences, a goalie and Really gave him the Han. Dominance quick hands like a small four. With the Lakers to getting him, do you remember? I. Don't remember that that that would've been. Above, my pay grade right, but I know it was a lot of talk about yes, the Nice. Pop Pack with James Worthy Right after this. FELLAS are you prepared to unveil your summer? Bod, because the sun is shining, and the bushes must be tamed. MANSCAPING is here to ensure your post. Quarantine Body is ready for the wild. 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GO TO GET ROMAN DOT COM slash no dunks for a free online visit and free two day shipping that's get and dot com, no dunks for a free online visit and free two day shipping. All right this next guy. You had some some good battles with. In in the finals again, and this had one of the most. roic finals performances in Los Angeles in Game Six of the finals and Man He was. He was hurting hurting after this because they lead the series three two, then lost in seven, but he had one of the most miraculous performances in gang six. Why Thomas? Also. We were in the same class glasses seventy nine. Wow, ice cream. We played. McDonald's High School Games together. Also played against. Isaiah Thomas in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty one. North Carolina versus the Indiana hoosiers. We lost them. and. No matter what you say, I don't know there's any point guards in the league that yeah I would take over him. Obviously, he's talking about current players. Shooting three but when it's time. There's no other point guard that that this better than Isaiah Thomas No. Six I mean you only one game six point one point went onto win game seven by three, but is I didn't really play I mean. We've pretty worried in game six. They you down in the series three to one game one in La as well. Always work. Detroit was a was a tough team. Isaiah obviously their leader. You know hitting thirty nine so points on one ankle, yeah? Yeah. We were always worried, but we you know. We knew that when we came back to La without some games and we had to win two they were. Known as the bad boys bet like throughout the when you went up against the Celtics like physically, it wouldn't have been much of a difference I don't expect. Celtics light the series physical. So by the time the fat was came along. I. Mean You guys who used to that, so the style like? Bad Boys mid nothing to us. Maybe to Jordan and you know it was just a name. Yeah, we'd already played against the Celtics. Yeah. Utah was a physical team. Right the Utah Jazz, so yeah, they'll be anything right. This next guy. He came off the bench for Seattle Supersonics team. You also applied in the playoffs. Ninety, seven, ninety nine. You had a good series against them. Even though I think he's swept by times, but that were pretty physical team. This guy was a forward center. Can I say. He's out of Virginia. Out of. Out of junior that'd be would that be. Would that be all the politics you bet you would be? Older pollinates Policies was Assem. Bright. A Bangor and he was one of those seven footers their. Coaches like they have on their team because his physical. He can get you some offensive rebounds and you know he's just good energy. He was always good energy positives. And Olympi- was a clipper for a little while. And I used to see him in La. And House in Santa Monica. Ways to have late night pardons. I told them I said holding the policies said you're in the wrong neighborhood grow. Parts these all of their for a few weeks. You guys you guys ninety nine with GAM twenty nine, pointing game four and you came back one that one. That's yours. You had a pretty good game. I think yet thirty three points in that game. but Seattle is one of those crazy. Crazy arenas where the fans mad and are up so big so early, but then you guys came back and won pretty easily like. That maybe life when you. Go back to that sleepy. Floyd game where you kind of overlook them a little bit that used. To Lock in and in that series it's. What had a good team. They were well coached bickerstaffe. Yeah. They had shawn. Kemp was amazing Yep. You know. They had some players Dale. Ellis shooter. So you, know we. We knew that they could compete with us athletically for a while. But at the end we knew our team concept with overtake the Individual Play Yeah It was a grind planning Seattle in a small arena. Against a bunch of young exciting guys, but we do have experience. If you knew we have formula that they did not, so we knew as it got down toward the fourth quarter, we kept executing. They will make some make mistakes like playing Ping Pong. Just keep the bottle on table until your opponent makes a mistake news able to capitalize on that. What was Pat Riley saying? When you dance twenty nine points like this? Just stay cool. Stay calm. I mean like. Yeah you know he just. He would say let's get it to get it. Get it to fifteen. Just chip away. Chip Way and focus on the things we had to make stops. Down Twenty nine. He wanted to get into twenty right then. You want to get into fifteen. They was you attend. You know usually you put a little pressure on. It so that was always. You Twenty. Nine point lead. With accord and a half left. We've thought okay with that. That was an amazing game. Okay this next Guy Is is a point guard from the Celtics. He's no longer with US actually discovered a very very good player. He he, he hit a short in one of the playoffs. Get into continental. We twenty one. Also played with the Seattle Supersonics. and. The only the only Celtic I ever liked. Only one ever respected right. Rest in peace is a great guy. From compen- California. Played, played temper daughter. And, one in seventy seven with the with the APP. With the Seattle Supersonics as a rookie I believe yeah, right and also. Quoted by Larry Bird heartened solo or the team obviously. Was the guy with Dennis, Johnson was the key. To started, dig mission. Bar Savvy. And always on the control right? Yeah, yeah, real solid veterans suited the Boston style. Really well. Just you know cool under pressure. this next guy. You battled against him. In the in the Western Conference, finals. He's actually joined the different same in this car, but he was a big play for those Dallas Mavericks Teams Verdict Talk About. This was the other guy who was a big high scoring forward. He came out. I guess the. Before you did, he came out. The market while yeah. Mark Maguire A. As an exceptional score yet and you know he wasn't very tall, but knew how to use his body. Like! He put them on your. Shoot. And he also. Pretty good post player. When he was with, the Mavericks was fortunate enough to to replace agent Dantley. Yeah, the Pistons into GONNA to win. To Championship with his Buddy Isaiah Thomas. That was another tough series. You guys had ninety eight against the Mavericks. Good team at, but as soon as I tried it a wise mock why they kind of fell apart. Dallas off that for. Most of the ninety S. Was Funny. The one time I was. Rumored to be traded was going to be four Mark Maguire and Roy Tarpley Yep. Unfortunately unfortunately that trading go through. But Mark Maguire went onto Detroit. And was able to succeed they're. Tough is to deal with that sort of speculation knowing that you might be tried and you. I've seen the. All Not Part of business. As long as you are commodity. You. You're safe. You know it's not. It's not a long career. Yeah I. Love Los Angeles. Always prepared because I knew that in order to make a trait. They weren't gonNA. Trade Bhaskar Kareem and. They wanted something. Yeah, he's going to be mean so although through with that, yeah! Yeah? It must be must must be with that when you know like that's out there. That I was looking before just reading through some your career and said that the top league why deal newly Jerry West in the end said. Yeah I think. They didn't want they. WanNa see me coming back into before dropping big number they didn't. Definitely what happened? Well this God is next guy was a pretty sweet shoot Switzerland. Sweet Shooting Guy at a Saint John's. He went on to be a member of the Dream Team. A little lefty put up big numbers in his career. A terrier! I watched him in college. And he's a small four. and. They said he was just GONNA dominate. For and I was like. I'm going to eat him for lunch. And when I played against Chris Mullin's the first time. I quickly realized that he had a special town. Yeah, the guy could shoot. and he didn't need a Lotta Room to do it really strong up of bod. He knew how to get you off of him. And move without the basketball. Really where yeah? So I was mistaken to think that I could dominate him. He's numbers on me. Really Right? Yeah, but I had to get it back to them. Yeah, really quickly, but you know like you said Olympian. Great Guy. Saint John of soccer. Probably when you think about how he's career started because it got off to a bit of a rocky start pretty pretty big that he was able to make the Dream Team in the end. I mean that's That's the one team that everyone wants Mike. No doubt and you know Chris. Mullin had proven. That, he could handle adversity. And come out good on the other end. Sharpshooter. Perfect for the Olympics need those guys. Stress Lord shoot at. We've got two cards go here. This next guy. We talked about Landau Blackman's free throws in the eighty seven all star game. Will this go I was actually a replacement player for Ralph Sampson. Any any went onto. Stop game and I think he's the only player in NBA history. REPLACEMENT TO GO ONTO WE MVP? Tom Chambers. Is Big time big time. Yeah Magic Johnson made sure. That, we fed him the ball. Game was played in his home. In the team he played for the time, but see Allah. Tom Chambers was very athletic wear. You know a lot of people say. White. Men can't jump will Tom Tom Croup that Rahm. Yeah, Tom. You know he very athletic. you know a a tough guy to deal within the post and was very successful with on the Phoenix. Doing a great job as a broadcaster do. I remember Pat Riley was asked one time about because that's the country can choose where we wanted to stop that game, and he said it was no question in his mind he was gone with. Guy. That's pretty smart decision to. All this next guy. So, he came over from Yugoslavia Clyde with you with you and turned into a very very talented player. And spent most of his career. I guess it's best with the Sacramento Kings. But. When he came over he was. Out of big man did speak any English. And had an interpreter. He spoke English, I think he just had to interpret a fooled everybody. Also. Hilton either this. but after practice we have meetings in the locker room and the first couple of practice. Body Deepak world his on cigarettes. In the locker room. I thought it was marijuana I. Say. What are you doing? He said Oh we can't smoke. I was like no kids book. Vlada was while he was up. Another guy that kind of mastered the flock right off was a seven footer with a lot of a lot of tricks, yeah. Shooter, very, sadly. and. We love he's. He's a great teammate and doing a great job up in Sacramento is. is president of that organization. When he comes over, you mentioned they didn't speak much. English so he has to learn the language Linda Culture. Yes looney, offense and the defense. Longer taking learn the rules of the forum talk. Five minutes. Wanting new all slept all day. And as most European, our international people there nightclubs are late night yet, so blahdy found a couple of. European NYC joints. And that's where you. Coming in practice and You kind of sleepy and ready to go, you know after the last dance documentary, a lot of people saying what should be the next sports documentary. What do you think about a ten documentary of the foreign policy. That would be a twenty part series. Had to be a lot of disclosures. Yeah do you think you think everyone would volunteer to go on camera for that, or do you think they'd be a few enormous? unanimous. I don't think I don't think one. WanNa start digging up those stories. Out. There were people that I had friends. In, ATLANTA. That worked for Delta. The Airlines so disease. Get on a flight, right? They would leave Atlanta. Three o'clock in the afternoon. Two o'clock. To come to, a Laker, game. Believe them tickets. They never came into their reach. They went straight to the phone. Got Seeks at the far so they could be ready for after the game. So they would have fun in the Form Club Around twelve o'clock then they get on red eye. Right? Why back? Their land. Because everybody who was anybody can get there. If, you were a Hollywood star. Make, Jagger all the ladies? In doctor bus had section. Where he held court over there. And it was just. It was fabulous before fabulous became popular right. Is it still open? The form is still open. Primarily for music yeah. They have refurbish the form. It looks really different now, but before club yet. But it's not. There's a lot of stories on the wall baby. Ghosts in their man. I'll I walked in there for the first time in about twenty five years. All these ghosts came out of the wall. Remember. This. This idea to someone I think that could be a nice documentary out of these. Form clubbing. That's it. Yeah, don't worry about the like. Is that just the foreign five itself? Everyone from all around the world, people could entertainers, musicians, and stars from everywhere will have something to contribute offshore. If, you think the game of thrones was big. Perform figure. James thanks so much in Utah I'm pretty sure. It's been great listening to those stories. Now I think. It was obviously you played against while you would've played against God will fight with some of its wealth so. You set the standard. Thanks very much.

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465  Moonbase 3  Castor and Pollux

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465 Moonbase 3 Castor and Pollux

"Fusion patrol is a listener supported. Podcast find out how you can help support us at Patriotair dot com slash fusion patrol. This is the fusion. Patrol Vodka gassed each week. We look at a different science fiction TV episode or movie and over analyze it to within an inch of its life. Welcome to the discussion. Hello and welcome to another episode of fusion patrol. I'm Eugene and John and tonight we're looking at the moon base three episode caster and politics by John Lewis not a satellite in earth orbit fails and must be repaired by the moon base three at the same time caller is hosting the Russian general in command. Moon base to Russia is about to launch an ambitious Mars probe commanded by Dmitry a young hotshot astronaut. Who grew up idolizing the famous Tom Hill? He jokingly asked Tom to come to Mars with him. And you can tell. Tom Would really love to go but he has duties to moon base. Three one of those duties is to pilot the repair ship and fix the broken satellite but a freak accident locks ship and satellite together in a spinning death. Flight into deep space. Tom Hill will die as Michaud points out. Because there is no practical hope to mount a successful rescue color refuses to give up and has the rescue mission prepared anyway and fortunately the only pilot on moon base three good enough to carry off the tricky. Is Tom Hill himself? But on moon base to Dmitri is just that kind of astronaut who could get the job done moon based twos commander refuses. Dmitri is too valuable to risk only a week before the launch of the Mars mission nonetheless. Dmitri shows up at moon base three ready to fly the mission to rescue his hero between Tom and Dmitry they hatchet daring but highly risky plan to rescue Tom. Michelle is completely against the plan as it will almost certainly result in the loss of both astronauts and their ships. Apparently Dmitri has done this against orders. And when the Kremlin and the European Space Commission find out the moon dust hits the fan. Colder is relieved of command and. Michelle is put in charge. While the rescue mission cannot be stopped. The risky maneuver can and the Russians demand that it not be attempted. Michelle is capable of stopping it because a key portion of it must be executed for moon base three and he can prevent that but he doesn't and the plan works and everyone is safe and the Russians score a huge pr win back home and are ecstatic about the successful rescue. Colder is put back in charge the end so casteran poets Casteran pollock's episode five of the six part series. What did think I thought it was pretty good. I liked all the space stuff of course as I always do the survey thing. It's a space show. I know I know yeah it was. It was a good good rescue episode. Nice little drama there with with all the issues with having to match that orbit vectors all kinds of rotational axis. And things like that. Yeah it was. It had me I was actually pacing around really it. I was like you know a part of. It is just being tired of sitting on my my duff while washing show but normally. I just got me up. It's like yeah this is this is good intents and I will say. I had actual some doubts about whether Tom Hill would survive. I know you know it's only six parts and you know they're they seem to be willing to kill characters that appeared from one episode to the other so yeah could have been Tom Hills. Time could have been yet another disaster for the moon base three. Yes another setback. So I felt the episode worked. Pretty well I think in some ways might be the best episode today. Yeah it also interesting things. About how Colder Season Organization? Tommy Hill keeps everybody alive and well everybody working. Lebron is the organizer who make sure that we don't waste things and colder sees himself as the buffer the go between between all of them. Yeah I mean that's that's how he described himself right. I see him as the expediter. Yes yes it's more than a buffer. It's the guy who gets stuff done. So the other two can do their job. It being self deprecating. Yes I'm just I'm just picked him right. Yeah he's The guy who makes sure that the whole thing works other. That seems to be his thing is that he makes stuff happen. You make stuff happen right. He may go one of the things that Michelle while. He's having his psychiatric Session says is that he doesn't think colder has like grant long-term vision right right and I wonder if we're supposed to look at this episode and say Michelle is wrong because colder is playing what I see very long game of very long one with the well. After everybody on the base has retired he wants to be part of the team that seems to be the ones that are leaving the solar system. Yeah Yeah exactly. So for for once we get a chance to see him talking with the Russians. And it's pretty amicable. Yeah and much better than copying apparently and Chinese but we can come back to but he is you know. He's wheeling and dealing with the commander of the Russian base now to try to get a joint projects or projects going with them so that he can turn around and shame the EU into giving him the budget exactly. Yeah I mean He. He's literally playing the space race game. There he is definitely been thinking about this at his bunk as he said scheming scheming absolutely and it looks like it might pay off. Yes yes with the Russians plan of taking a three ships and going to Mars and setting up a station there and then using that as a springboard Jupiter yeah definitely man and he wants to be on the Jupiter Lincoln emission more Jupiter the grand tour. Yes yeah exactly. He definitely sees farther than just just that planet and I think Michelle hasn't got now vision. Now I think in this episode more than any other. Mr Lebron has shown that he is a bureaucrat. Or technocratic believers as a colder called him as leader Colder Has a vision that he knows how to execute and you. He's he's not afraid of trying to go for it. Lebron no he's stuck by the rules and lie you will inhibit himself logic. Yes yes logic. As as he says at one point one. Coley says well you know. Friendship isn't isn't logical at times. Yes exactly so. Yeah and as a lot to recommend color in this episode This he really comes off. Well he has come off as a sneaky naive ing guy in emphasis exactly. I think we thought that he might be somebody who would be too far above them to have somebody thrown out of an airlock if things work which. I don't think that far when he's on your side. Oh excellent yes but once again very first episode he did say you know essentially. We're going to make this work for the base. Yeah so you know. It's not too far. I guess we just didn't believe him. Apparently Yeah He. He's I think you know you can look back on it and say that this maybe even that was part of his long-term vision to have a crew that he could rely upon. Yeah like who falls apart into the pieces and maybe you know. Maybe he's doing all the stress to break down the scientists so he can get rid of the week ones. I don't think maybe not. Yeah that's that would work for it. Will pressure makes diamonds pressuring China. Yeah Yeah heard that a number of times so yeah I thought I thought he really comes off. Well even when he's been fired relieved and he's talking with Helen about it and he's like I don't mind because I made the right decision. Yes and if that gets in the shop well he still can go in his conscience and I also really appreciate the fact that when they relieve him and put Michelle and command. His first response is not indignation. Or you can't do that or anything like that. It's like no. Let me stay in charge because you put the blame on. Michelle if it goes wrong even though it's entirely on me he's still protecting him. Yeah Yeah it was. It was his first instinct. If thought it's like let this fall entirely on my shoulders right. That's another sign of a leader. Yeah I can't really say enough good things about him in this episode right and I will say this about Lebron I he says I haven't note that he took him for the team. That slater the episode when the the Director General would pretty much just said you know. Well good thing. Lebron wasn't running this thing. Everybody were died something to that effect and I think that Lebron said he it's because of his logic than allowed the the plan to go through for the. The rescue craft to nudge the the stuck ship. But I I have a feeling that he really didn't want to do that. I think he was kind of accepting that. Okay colder had this plan. It's a plan. We're going to try it. He wants to try. Coldies already said that he'll take full blame for it and you know what happens. I kind of wonder if that was first off when he said afterwards and for the listeners who didn't get a chance to listen through it. Basically his argument to Helen. Helen at the end was that if I ordered them not to do the maneuver which by the way the maneuver is for the rescue ship to bump into the stranded ship. Yes and the have. The stranded ship used the satellites thrusters to pitch it against the ship. So they can try to shifted just enough to break the lock free. Which would be enough so tom could. Then get into the satellite and they could dock with the other port and get the thing out the reason that the reason that this could be controlled from moon base three because moon base three head to operate the thrusters on the satellite. If they didn't do that this plan definitely would not work exactly. Michelle says at the end date of done it anyway they I ramming it anyway. Then it wouldn't have worked and they all would have died therefore I by having them do a better chance of me now. My question is was he trying to self justify that to himself. Was He trying to aggrandize himself by saying this was the logical course of Action? Or was he just you know he. He basically went along with it. He was a human being. He said we've got to give it a try and anybody. He wanted to put that in the best light of why he wasn't doing what he said he was going to do. Yeah yes it was not going to allow the collision right from the start right so I don't know which it was. Yeah I don't know either. You know you're absolutely right if they wouldn't have done it. If Moon base three hadn't supplied the commands to the satellite to use its thrusters. They would have died and everybody after that would be saying. Well if he'd followed through and cold plan they probably would be alive thing. I have lived at least exactly and it. More likely would would put a serious damper on his career. Since you know he was in charge would be over. Yeah exactly he'd be going home. So yeah yeah a either way it worked out for everybody and Yeah I was GonNa say I was also on the edge of my seat as to whether or not he was actually going to give guilty command and do it. Yeah I know. Is he going to side with the Russian commander that he seems to almost idolize or is actually going to you know do what his now former boss was GONNA do? Yeah I have to say I up to a point. You know when they were getting ready for the collision and show a standing there. The Russian was demanding that they call this thing off right. I was like will he? Will he try to call it off? I don't know whether he's GonNa try to call off and I did so in. His defense earned the writers defense. Said it doesn't matter whether he calls it off or not they're going to he's going to collide it. There's no doubt he's going to do it. And it was shortly after that they said well you know we have to do the thing with a satellite here and I'm like okay now. It's back in his hands. Yeah actually and Lebron's hand. He has to push the button. Basically right as opposed to you know I can give the order and say don't do it. You're going to do it anyway. So yeah to lives with his hands his career pro career of other people and he did the right thing. You actually took probably the fate of moon base. Three right actually took responsibility for it. Which I believe in previous episodes. He seemed to have an issue with good point in time where he weighed all being charged. What yeah actually come to think of it? He has been sort of like now. You do it by the rules. And that's the end of the game. So he is learning so the whole premise of putting colder there and let Lebron get seasoned was also referenced in the first episode that Yep the good doctor mentioned that you're too. You're far too young for this. They never leave me director. Mitch seems to be on that one. Okay speaking of people with mixed motives The director general. Yes he put him. He gets pressure from Russia and the European Commission so he has to relief colder right and tell them you have nothing more to do with this rescue. The Brown you're in charge go when it goes Caldere's way and it's successful. He's all smiles and happy and I knew that was what was going to happen because he was probably elected. Who is position? Well here's my question at my first thought. When I watched that was he's lying right. He's GonNa he's GonNa cover it up and and go like yeah. I knew this is what was going to happen. And today based on our conversation last time where you kinda postulated that this is almost like a sort of on the down low with Colder Yup about getting the base running. He might be absolutely telling the truth there. It's like that's exactly what I expect to happen to this team of people right. I thought the episode was going to go in the direction of okay. The director general has relieved color of his duty. Well colder can't get into any trouble with his his His is boss because well he's been fired lack of a better tomorrow. So yeah that those retro is on the Senate. We're going to get fired no matter. What even if he had to distract Lebron into some other part of the base. When it was happening he was going to do better drama. Yeah Lebron do it yes. It worked out very well in this case I I was not looking forward to seeing the director. Kind of give. A wink nudge nudge. To colder go do what he was. GonNa do anyways. I think the episode would have been very good if it went that way. Maybe I've seen it twenty times on TV. Yeah maybe that's it. I mean this wasn't exactly what I expected. But but all around yeah all all points to the structure of the the characters and their motives and the fact that it's it's really well done Gianluca roadies to be complimented on this one in particular. Yes yes let's see the Russians the Russians. Yes the Russian general He's a very seems very amicable guy. He seems to be very willing to talk with colder about his entertainment for joint project. Joining up right. He even makes them an offer right. You know if you guys can ship in three hundred and fifty million. Us dollars was US known beyond the doors. It was ooh said dollar. It might have been eurodollars yet. Euro Yeah Yeah it could have been euro anyway. This doesn't really matter. It's three hundred and fifty million imaginary units which sounds like most of the budget movies. Three sounds like far more than the budget of moon base through. It'd be my guess but one hundred thousand million euro dollar is a billion correct. I forget the British thousand one hundred thousand millions of million. Yeah that's right they D- do they still do billions? Weird SMELLS ATION. More recent than that Yeah I don't know but it's it's a it's a chunk of change that they don't have but it's a cheap chunk of change because they're going to leverage the Mars mission so what's cool about this Mars mission. The idea is that they're actually sending three ships two of them unmanned that are being piloted by the third ship remotely and they're going to go to Mars. The two unmanned ships are going to dock in orbit and then the third ships going to dock with that and form basically station yes in Mars orbit and then they will be able to use the demand ship to go down to the planet and then come back. Did they mention actually going to the surface or just the salish in the station? I thought they did but I thought it was established station and then come back and five months or whatever it was it could be. It could be either way. They're going to have a station at Mars so that they've developed and they're gonNA have to. They're going to use that to leverage for the grand tour. So that's why this is a three hundred fifty million down the it's a. It's a thousand million is a billion dollars so it would have been one hundred billion dollars okay. But it's three hundred fifty million dollars right for the millions about the entire Marcos Marcos project okay. Yeah they've already. Sent that in so colder is being offered an incredibly good deal me literally. Somebody has bought the jetliner form. And all he gets to do was right on it pretty much. Yeah pretty much. It's IT'S A it's a great deal and it's exactly the kind of stuff that he's trying to score huge victory right for moon base three exactly if they can very prominent place in in the grand tour which I really appreciate the fact that they were using that term even back then the show. Yeah well I think Let's see seventy three. They definitely would have been. Voyager would have been On its way to at least being launched in seventy six countries anyways. Yeah so grand. Tour is definitely something that people had heard of understood. What meant equate the concept to? So that's that's all well and good He's a little bit of an over protective hand. Because Dimitri the trick with Dimitri is that when you dock to spaceships. That's fine but when they put that third ship in there because they're gonNA dock all three of them that becomes a challenging problem which coincidentally just happens to be exactly the problem. Tom Hill has pretty two ships that he's got he's got a duck although in that case they're completely out of control right which luckily in space completely out of control still means highly predictable. Yes unless you're venting some gas and changing your orbit right or your rotation philosophy than Yeah Yup pretty darn regular there which I get some questions about how they the docking. But we'll get to that when it gets. Yeah well let's see. And so. At the end of the episode. The Russians have made an overture to the Europeans about the possibility of doing joint projects. And they've asked the Europeans to go visit them at the Kremlin to have some talks which colder is not going to get the credit for not directly. No but I think I'm pretty sure that the director general will knows. Oh that was colder deal. Yeah do you think. Do you think that the Russian general contacted the Kremlin and said you know these guys? We ought to do some work with them. And the Kremlin said. Okay we'll contact so that it was. It was a sort of moon to moon deal by way of earth or whether or not. It's coincidental that the Kremlin decided. Hey these guys on Moon Bay three. We ought to be removed. Yeah three working with him. I don't know I don't know but it will definitely the General would've been spoken to about what happened for him. Of course it was. You know a career ending event gone wrong career ending for a number of reasons number of people to certainly wouldn't have been time he wouldn't have talked to him about it before it was successful. I mean yes. Talk credited the problem but that would not have time and say by the way I've been thinking about doing a deal with these guys who were doing this cowboy exactly exact so it had to be afterwards. It's like hey what a great job. We're going to get out of this and by the way these guys can do some order. I think we can do some work with this guy and get some and not have to deal with the Americans so yeah I thought that was interesting and I really cannot put my mind in one thousand nine hundred seventy one mode because you know what I think of is you look back at Nineteen seventy-one and who were the bad guys the Russians yeah. It's always the Soviets. It's always the Soviets. It's not the Chinese until well into the eighties. Right it's it's it's the Russians all through the seventies and. I think it's very interesting that here in one thousand nine hundred seventy one the Russians. Don't come off that bad. They come off as almost as friendly. No they come off as exactly as friendly as the Americans do too much a little bit more efficient or wanted to buy the book but yeah definitely they do have a hundred billion. Yeah but they're not gonNA know Ryan there. Because Dmitri is the only pilot that can do that maneuver and apparently apparently and so you know I under- I completely understand why they might say no and it's very interesting because we've seen this equation before what you're on the moon people will die. And we're we're GONNA have to. We're going to have to face the reality that that people are going to die. But it's a stark contrast to the Chinese that we saw like I don't want to talk to you. I don't want to hear from you. I know you're waging a propaganda war against us you imperialist dogs or whatever that was obviously you know just a couple of ways at dialogue it was meant to be as one dimensional as you could possibly get because they wanted to portray stereotype apparently of of how they were being seen by most people. And I think there's probably some truth to that yeah I mean I'm not saying that. They were stereotypes. But in other words a lot more insular and a lot more a closed off and then the Russians were at that time the fear phone protective of their ways. Yes let's see one thing since as we say people are GonNa die in space. How about Tom Hills little capsule? He's hold Oh yes I WANNA get A. Yeah that right okay. Suicide suicide capsules okay. Head to the quote and I did this quote from Jim Lovell. Commander of Apollo Thirteen. Is We all know? Apollo thirteen did suffer a little bit of a setback on. Its Way to the moon and did not go there but of course off everybody came back to Earth. All safe and sound Let's see the actual quotas since apollo thirteen. Many people have asked me. Did you have suicide pills on board? We didn't I never heard of such thing. In the eleven years I spent as an astronaut and NASA executive. Yeah so that's been pretty much what I've read from other people as well as no no. We don't do that Now however the Russians when Alexei Leonov who sadly passed away Just a few days ago October eleventh when he did his he was the first man to do a spacewalk and when he exited the the craft his suit. became rather large and rigid and he wasn't able to basically fit through the door. So you know there is a really good chance that he his umbilical. That was connecting him to the ship would have to be uncoupled. The door close him left in orbit while his copilot. Now commander of the ship went back to Earth and you know whether they actually had access to a suicide pill at his helmet is doubt exactly. And it's it's a stupid idea because it probably would have been cyanide and cyanide takes a purely quite a while to kill you like a minute or so. Maybe even longer. I'm not sure Because basically it affects stops your body. Rubbing oxygen resent space. Yeah it's a little valve in your suit that opens a in empty the air. You just have to drop your air pressure downs. His her feeling drowsy. And Stop it there. And you'll pass away you just drift off fairly. It's quite pleasant. No pain involved at all. So yeah I was curious about that because of course everyone has heard about suicide pills right. It's it's part of the Lore right it also from what I've read in in told in in seen interviews and whatnot. The people who are astronauts are. They're they're just like you know very well trained pilots. They're very well trained and they will work the problem to the very end. They are well-trained. Pilots yes yeah. They're very just like that. They are and it was even seen in the challenger explosion that there was evidence that the crew had started to do emergency. Procedures after the explosion on had been deployed in various things indicators switches went our phone positions that would be indicative of following the emergency procedure list and so they were working on it as they were falling to. Earth knowing full. Well that you know the chance of what they were doing working was almost next to nothing but they kept working the problem. And that's that's the sort of people that they put a high risk high stress jobs like that. Well that's because they have an extremely extensive program with trane psychiatrists who run site tests on them and figure all that out will not crack under pressure or or perhaps. That's the difference between the American and European program. Maybe it could be turn but anyway so yeah by that. You're saying yes. I was. Yeah I was going to the topic of the pill but deviating off here I think in the past we have had you and I a a non existent argument going on and you are right. I learned you put down now. I keep calling Helena psychologist and you keep going or a psychiatrist. She is a psychiatrist. I checked it out. I had a little note on this to say I. I get an answer this once and for all because every time we have this discussion online. Actually she is. I know the difference between the two but Kinda not paying attention for the audience in me. Because I can't remember what is the psychiatrist is a medical doctor. Saket prescribe medications. Though that's right they can give you pills. Ecologist can just talk about you not taking them. Yeah I think there may be some some status difference between now in one thousand nine hundred seventy one on the way that works. 'cause you can kind of unjustly say well psychologist isn't a doctor or a psychologist is just a therapist. But yes they are more towards therapy but but but they are still you know trained. Phd's usually and psychiatrist a medical degree so that they can Do Medical Interventions so that Helen is a psychiatrist so that is apologies to anyone who disagrees. Probably the higher order in the mental health ladder. That's the top of the top of the chain supposedly in Helens case. I would like to just point out one. I really did appreciate the fact that in this episode one colder is explaining to Tom how he is speaking his scheme to get more money for the moon base. He does Kinda run through a litany of all the problems they've had since episode. Wannabe theories the director dead love and thought dead parties fraud. Conway suid suicide. I was GONNA say sewage suicide. Bliss Leavitt sewage. And then if we missed that one altogether and then he also mentioned the stoppage in the radio telescope program that would have been Achilles heel where the guy was screwing around with the team working on the radio astronomy lab apparently that's had lasting effects on that as well they were able to get that part but what it what it does tell us is that this really isn't not been a rosy right. Still got it rough. He is really struggling so I I like the fact that he got a win here. Yeah I really liked the fact that he got a win here. Oh I was just GonNa say that The accident that occurred when Tom. Attempted to dock to the satellite was kind of close to what happened in nineteen ninety-seven with Mir the Russian space station They were a progress. Resupply craft had had successfully doctor a few days later they were testing the docking system by undocking and redocking it manually because apparently the radar system that would do it automatically was very expensive and they were trying to see if you can mainly doc the craft and save a lot of money because you know after the ship gets undocked filled with garbage and they just let it burn up the atmosphere and as happened the Astros. That was piloting it. He made a mistake. And the Supply ship crashed into mirror damaging one of the solar rays and piercing one of the the halls of the one of the modules and also caused a total electrical outage for a while which has got to be one of those terrifying things space next to a fire station tumble. Yeah exactly without its own. I think there was a American or Canadian astronaut onboard. I think his name is Mike Full. He wrote in his book that when the lights went out it was the most quiet. He's ever experience life but yeah they successfully got everything passionate working in. But I thought this is going to be interesting that That kind of same idea was was used in this episode years and years before it really happened. I suspect that that's you know a probably high up on the scenarios of things that could go wrong. I mean that that moment when the two ships touch yes other. Oh yeah very busy. As as delicate an operation as there is out there yep very very very complicated maneuvers and The fact that it can be done with almost almost as a matter of routine now is amazing computers. Yeah computers could good technology. That's what that does it really reliable mechanical parts. Yeah that's that's good. I'm there was something you wanted to ask about the docking or say oh it was about the rendezvous when Dimitri exited the craft. I am assuming he was approaching the satellite and The the other tons craft perpendicular along the axis of rotation so. His ship would have been essentially stationary. In fact. Colder even says that Helen but when they should have it looked like Dmitry was like moving in a circle log will be the spacecraft. I thought that was kind of odd or he was not going to contact the two space craft at the rotational axis. And then go hand over hand and translate to the point where the the docking adapter is to see. Could fix it Which I think would be you do get there and grab on and whatever but apparently he wanted to just kinda go right to where the docking after was which was making premature circle in space. So no no. That's kind of odd. Yeah I did notice on that shot because colder does say to Helen. You know they've matched up so that they're in exactly the same you know. They're they're doing the same motion and that's very hard to both visualize because it's bore and probably two to realize as well on screen there'd be two ways of doing it without having to move the ships one would be to have a picture of earth behind it or something stationary in space. Make that move in a circle or take the lights in the studio and make them go in a circle and two things that are very expensive. So just putting Dmitri in some wires in moving around and stuff was probably a cost saver and makes it look like. He's having a problem. Yeah Hito so when he got out of the ship and he starts working his wit cross and they're obviously spinning the camera. Yeah to me. It looked like they were trying to just turn the camera around at first. I thought they were not moving together. That he was that he was moving at a different philosophy than the ship was but as the shot wore on it became apparent that they were just turning the camera and so obviously he was right moving with it so I wasn't sure You know if the ship is moving in three dimensional space. It's got a tumble in a spirit. Thing that that's hard to believe that he could maneuver the ship to actually be in a similar orbit with that right when the actor that when he rotates his craft be essentially parallel with both vehicles. So we can do the nudge. He actually would have been having to fire his his. His attitude jets continuously to to Describe that circle in space and first other than being really really difficult to program in your ear spacecraft's flight controller or even to do it by hand which thinks would be almost impossible for tight arc. The amount of propellant he would expand would be phenomenal. I mean that would be like well. There's no more maneuvering after this. We don't need it. Yes Up and other rescue ship exactly but those two things were like the only big glaring like wow. How'd that go by anybody? Who Eddie sort of scientific training but other than that. It could episode. I like the fact that when Dmitry outside the spacecraft he started breathing heavily almost immediately because by everybody's description of of of going on TV as it's hard your suits inflated to you know about four point three PSI it's cumbersome All that stuff and you're really having to you know get a pretty good workout and It's it's difficult work doing that in space. And he's been sitting on his own welfare for our probably atrophying away a bit. It was interesting that we've had some hint of it in the past. Maybe it was more than a hint and I didn't catch IT I. I knew Tom Hill was famous because he was the astronaut who rescued the cat from the tree. Or whatever the heck it was yeah. There's a dog or cat or something. Can't very yeah. It was a cat space. I think yeah cat. Cat climbed up in a tree. Tree was launched in space. Save the cat. So he was famous astronaut. Who SAVED THE CAT? But apparently he's really astronauts ask he is fulfilling a Neil Armstrong kind of role. What's the astronaut who was on the Canadian? Gentlemen who brought us. Yeah Yeah the Canadian Gentleman. I sorry Canadians. Sorry does your husband. Yeah well no I really don't know I know it's like you know really famous. Yea didn't realize that neither of us can think of his exact level and Buzz Aldrin. Neil Armstrong and Tom Hill now so but it was. It was interesting to see a little embarrassing though when he said. Oh my room. Had ONLY BOOSTERS UP TOM he'll on wall I'm like Oh Chris Hadfield. Well beyond Russian Sci. Yeah good right next to pull Linden Garen Heroes. Face the Soviet people. I have only one last thing which will take us off the space topics if you have anything else for space. Go for no yeah. One small thing the buttons inside the spaceship. They're all big happy looking symbols and thought that was interesting because Later much later well. What about four years? I guess whatever. The movie alien came out. The there were plenty of symbols in there inside their means spaceship in Australia. Oh at it was Worked UP BY RON COBB. He's a artist in a technical illustrator and a lot of production design on that movie and he came up with what he calls. This semantic standards. And there's just these symbols that you know if you see them you know exactly what means you don't have to know any of the languages no the simple? It's like the universal guy running civil for exit stuff like that and the best I can figure because every time there's a spaceship in a movie I always look at the buttons and think well there's red ones or blue ones. There is yellow ones. They don't see to being any real pattern. They're not labeled yet. They seemed to be hitting them very quickly. And they know exactly what they're doing with all these it's like no I don't think so. I'm trying this case. Where having the symbols other actually like okay. Goodbye that I can say that space. Nineteen ninety nine. The cockpits of the eagles are a little of both. Have both. They do have the Chinese but they also have a bunch of like zender card buttons practically right exactly lines that cross the circle I noticed that in a couple of episodes when we were going through the show that that they had symbolically labeled buttons in a few cases. Yeah they had weird symbols on stuff I think even the the main mission screed kind of their their test pattern. I the computer that was just a pad that had no labels on it of any anyone could wear connection the wireless connection his head. He was Bluetooth to it all the time they need. That's true now. That's a series. It had your future vision. Yeah so it was years behind booed base three interesting that Dr Russell's Namus Helena. Nationality your to later after this so I think space nineteen ninety nine. Seventy three seventy four. The latest Star Wars it was definitely before star wars staff maybe star wars ruined everything for that. No no he did. Oh well for that. Style of science fiction TV. Yes yes it did it. It just blew away standards as opera. Well it's just the way the logical stuff in favor of fantasy right. See where that that Star Trek Blue Flash Gordon and BUCK ROGERS? Yeah Yeah Star. Wars was a new wave and I I have mixed feelings. About what Star Wars did to the Science Fiction Lizzy? It's probably a whole other series right there. I guess right. They're young along the way. Castor pollock's Yep Castro in politics the name of the episode there referring to Tom and Dmitry. As as sort of a modern day Castro pollock's mythological speaking for those who don't know and I should have looked it up but rattling the things I know off of them are that they are the twin sons and or have twin sons of the king of Sparta. If they're half brother twins then that's because zoo slipped one in there and yeah caster He this is I. Think the swan incident Try to recall that but Castro is the human. If that is the case politics would be the Demi God if if they are that version of the mythology but anyway they are the twin sons the king bar there the brother to the Helen of troy they traveled on the Argo with Jason and they are the patron of travellers and mariners. Now that I didn't know and that's I think where that connection here is of course and of course Castro in politics are Gemini. The Constellation named after them. The twins right so that's where the title came from. It's quite a stretch. Bud Oh one one final thing for me anyways the look of distaste on Lebron's face. When he was was poured that hand of the best bubbly has called. Her said was wonderful. I know it was completely deadpan. But it's like you've gotta be kidding me. I'm French. French just poured me some alcoholics from. Can you call it what you'd think that my now maybe? So what does this? Oh the finest bubbly the best. Bubbly you don't you don't think it comes out of the food. Iraqi cycle like on Star Trek Right. It's their their their drinks. Siser synthesize food but it can whip up a quick drink for united's pretty fast. They're else okay. Give it a thumbs up that sort of thing. We could give it a thumbs up. We got one more episode of Moon Base Three. I'm Kinda sorry to see go to well. We'll see after next time through for the moment. I am sad that it's sad that it's going to well John. Thank you for joining me. Thank you. It was great being here listeners. I do hope you'll join us again. Next time on fusion patrol you've been listening to fusion patrol listener supported. Podcast find out how you can be a sponsor and get early access to all episodes and more at Patriotair dot com slash fusion patrol. Come join the conversation on facebook or twitter. All episodes are available at fusion patrol dot Com. Our music is fight. The future by Amber Wolf. This has been a lone locust production technical correction in our conversation concerning billions in the UK versus billions in the United States. That may not have been the most coherent discussion we've ever had. So here is the technical correction per the wisdom of the Internet prior to nineteen seventy four the United States and the United Kingdom used different definitions for the word billion in the United States. That word was one thousand million and in the United Kingdom that word was meant for one million million what would be known as a trillion in the United States in nineteen seventy four British started using the American definition of a billion and it has stood that way ever since.

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"<music> welcome see lesbians as you write with claire liden and t._b. Mortensen conversations about writing and lesbian fiction join us as we drove back the curtain on the writer's life welcome to episode episode twenty eight of lesbians who right and this week we are going to be talking about favorite podcasts and why we love them join he he may plan aydin is my co host. The nonchalant the nonplussed and just plain nice t mark insulin today hello today t._b. They had a t._v. Today one of those you pay we steal it. Whatever but easy you see nicer to me this week since he he called me a moronic last week tiny need to stop holding and grant long. I just go day one when we nasty when we didn't go you nasty <music> as good as right you've dealt with women before were famous for holding a grudge as well as honing garage. T._v.'s b.'s has also holding quite the shapes today <hes> she just ran a hand through a hat and it just stayed where it was amazing but that's not a great comment triple tossed i nine no redeeming on this one say t._v. Tell me about you a week. Tell me how it's been okay so yeah. My weakest been interesting so far too a lot of behind the scenes information going on <hes>. My first piece of big news is the new england chapter of the romance writers were america. They're looking for a new registration chair and they reached out to mean said you know since i kind of organized person that they thought of me and so i am going to be in a new registration share for the new england chapter of romance writers of america so i'm pretty excited about that yield to represent lesbian fiction in our w. a. woo woo yes congratulations and mouthful awful matt whatever it was that you just said isn't it over right words there. I'd i'd create some kind of acronym name. I'm the the economist necora but if you don't actually know that you're just like that the scratchy face they'll get stretchy bay. Hey for people who are like. I knew rich. The issues that come up with something else has very different connotations yeah yeah yeah <hes> so yeah the new england chapter of romance writers of america better get it right that you did get it right is not bennett but his it is not right but it's as whitney once said all right so other news in my life. I've been proofing the audio version of a <unk> conflict inflicted woman <hes> before and a woman series all protein and audio but sorry sorry i just appendi- act me proofing. The audio version is oh. I mean the the narrators do a fantastic job but it's just so painful to hear my words. Come back at me and i have to like and i'm like oh. I could have changed at all. This would have been a better way to phrase that oh this this and this is so it can't do anything because this audio version. You can't change it anymore is done so it's <hes> it's one of those things as an author. I just don't enjoy what about you well. I tell you this week have been audio briefing yumei kind which is coming out. Please timber on in audio say so we've we've been vaping sharing the same pain this week across the atlantic. That's nice isn't it and yes. I agree <hes>. I think he is a difficult thing to do because even though on the one hand and i kind of do enjoy hearing hearing the words come to life by the skill ration- the hearing it back and you just think i wouldn't i wouldn't have said that announ ooh i could have rephrased that and lonzo thing and it just she gazed to me though i did have phase in my books where east a sit down and read them aloud before i sent them to his own my editor or wherever and it really is useful because you really pick-up repeated words repeated phrases and thing's senses that dame run. I've stopped doing that now. Mainly because it takes a long time is another part of the prices that you have to. I did it for about three three hundred books and then i think this is a long time back listening back to new day book. I think maybe it could be time spent. I have to agree. I was is kicking myself now why why do that as well because they tell you to do that enter like when you're a newbie you do what you're told and after a while you're like i had this deadline. You don't fucking up china. Listen to it is hard to read your book allowed because it's tiring exercise like just reading like five pages allowed. I mean it's kind of exhausting. Your voice goes out like so kudos to these narrators and it is nice. Listen to my words. Come alive events exciting when i'm also like oh i should have done that better like yeah. I was gonna say something then. I'm sure it was going to be brilliant. We'll come back to your brilliant enter. Okay so what else is going on in my life. <hes> i've been working on the final copy of reservations as the heart getting ready to format format that for people who are curious about the writing competence i attended in july put up two blog posts on my a website that has photos from pittsburgh. Did you see l._s. The diesel s. I have a ton of photos with different less vic authors so if you're curious witless vic authors would once i met you can hop over and look at that in and i also shared about r._w._e. W._f._a._n. In new york city and i will drop the links to those blog posts in the show notes very exciting and t._b. When gough 8-a on my my behalf danny when the golden crown society they need to request you wanna share with a request. I'm not sure i requested rested now. I think i might have sent certain author and i got you a photo he did. He was georgia bears because you <hes> the first and last because i have rent say <hes> t._b. Went and go a picture at georgia and sent me. I went tom because you'll just seems very lovely. She's very nice person. <hes> in an one one thing that i've done since i've been doing so much <hes> not fun things like proofing audiobooks and doing doing all the all the tedious task when you're getting ready to release. New book is just so much. This is a lot of work behind the scenes but i went to the zoo last week. In a i think i was in rhode island a really not good with y'all graffiti i think in rhode island and i went to his us do with a friend and her two kids in the car. This just goes to prove that i actually can't be more on sometimes in your the naming. Moronic was fairly you know perfect description so so was rabi. Maybe maybe you curse me knowing me. I know i've said stuff like this before so i don't know maybe because you know me so well but one of the kids in the karla complaining that last time when she went to the zoo they couldn't find the slot in the slot was is invisible quitting this lots of this ball. She was like oh my god. I can't believe you totally bought that became like the running joke today we did. I did get a photo of the invisible slot. Mike can share it this week on our website but actually it's kind of funny because i only got the hand. That's my week so business in idiocy. So how about you okay well. I have these idiocy last week. Obviously sleep with my <hes> audiobook snafu with the sending the narrator the script but luckily that's a way down knotty bad so she was very nice about tim cited so she was nice though she didn't get she didn't get angry email owner. She's very nice. Lady say is okay ever. Do you ever wish you can see like the first reaction was email and when they sit back and then like composed a more professional one now i'm good. I'm good nosing what my says reaction would have been say but have official reaction was lovely because she's a lovely woman so anyway this way. Well governments floating pounds so that's nice. I'm i'm trying to ignore that i found out just before we came on ad. If you're an avid laser new listen right at the end of the episode last week i left in a bleeper of me starting lousy except saint in completely messing up so i just said to debate over. Did you let the blade prior left in at the end of las exempts and she's i. I think i saw listening well denison. What's the thing to admit. I added impetus the book i sent t._b. And hijo old ladies listen to she failed shouldn't even manage listener by the end. What is this saying. What does he say t._v. Well listen in these set head wrap and the rest is going to be the music so i stopped and download episode in my job is to download episode and take care of the blurb and upload everything on the website and so <hes> i thought it was done i did i now that you say though i think while the music is going longest list of actually stopping check. Thank you to everyone i will. I will go back and listen to the blooper because i do. You remember laughing quite a bit we did you did say thank you to have when he emailed in at two three people did have night. Dan you name so but you did it to me to. My heart is a winning. Well obviously as i said i've been doing the audiobook you'll my mind i finish that and it is a real undertaking doing it because you do have to sail on just follow the book and really concentrate that took up quite a long time for about three days but it's done now just waiting corrections to come back say by this time next last week. Hopefully it'll be uploaded to fix and nearly two or three weeks then to let guys live as well as that. I've been working on money books on neely up to about twenty five k. I think on many books let's get in. He's very rough first draft and the other thing i'm doing is the major in london edits which i've got such a barrier a resistance to doing. It's hilarious. I think i'm getting shot anything. That's why the shiny new book thing <hes> and i keep going zyppah the mating low i've read it and i go back from my wife and from the edison and my it is as well as i got three loaves of edits in. I've got deadlines to meet for it. I i need to get it done. It is the thing by got resistance. It's this is just what you were saying about the final bit of a book even though it's not really the final bags on from here to to go is gonna take about six weeks and so i just get in the finishing energy harnessing the finishing energy is difficult especially when you've had a gap of about six months yeah i had that issue with a reservation of the heart is well because it's something i buy i did the first draft before we started calls before actually flew to a in london so we could do a research and everything and then when i got back i always had to put pendleton the metal for the consoles novels. I put it on the back burner in when i got back into it. I had the same issue it was. It was a slog my head to go through all the comments go ahead of a beta read in go through in the author also read it so i had to go through all that and <hes> y- it was not fun and now i'm still kind of struggling some getting ready for publication and almost like he's wanted ton in my mind. I guess my finished it off earlier in the year in it then but it wasn't really done so now. I'm like will wait. It's not no it's not an isolate convince myself to actually either this over the finish line and i am right there with you william. I'm struggling with it. We're in. We're in symmetry moment. Not me look woody approving a book and struggling with the book we right under in the which i was pretty pleased with it in the air but now i'm just like oh i bloody say it. Also i think my issues rubbing off on you so sorry about that her okay yeah and also. I just had a family stuff this week. Saying a family stuff will happen. You have to get a deal with it and that life happens though i'm still managing to struggle with the respite tomorrow i <hes> when i say tomorrow i'm going to give i'm taking tomorrow off because a family stuff and then saturday saturday i'm going to have a whole day just devote to made in london with a view to really getting going in other news are starting to i'm buying up. I'm applying every single day and i just think that that. I just think that they're playing you know. I think that they might listen sneeze focused. He think they have it out for you and for me so they would benefit more if you actually they get really clear laid it famous listening author able to put your photo to be honest <hes>. I think that i think that actually they are redes- on regions our listeners. If you wanna help me out here could message. The hamilton style sound p._r. Office and just say please let clan lied and win. The chance to buy hamilton thinks i'm not even asking for free tickets. I'm just asking for the child's to bind him for a tenor. It's not ought to ask in life is at all i want. That's almost free considering the prices. Are what like ten quick zika you know auto three. The last couple of weeks i have to say is iceland's toffee and honeycomb ice cream kinds. That's t._v. Wait even eating ice cream. Have it's been homes not because it has not been on here. I've gone back to you. Apparently i ate ice cream when it's hot and i've gone back on the cookie dough which is not a good thing i hammered through a blood cookie dough this week and i am beckel now being eaten at the deregulation flake kinds tones which in delicious and say eisenstein honeycomb say probably not giving my waistline on e. to get ours jim anyway comments melissa. Let's get uh-huh them all right so this week on comments <hes> we had a couple of on twitter so the first one from twitter is from reverie in the last two years. A robbery has read a ton of less but oh head only left a handful of views but after listening to our podcast she's realized that reviews are important so she's going to go back and can start posting reviews so a big. Thank you for that. One all authors all authors need reviews all right. We have janelle on twitter. She enjoys the podcast in is mulling over an idea for a book so good luck on getting a book out or even getting started guinea. Starting on a book is one of those things that's a big stumbling block for kamini. Actually carol commented on episode twenty seven in <hes>. She confuse me a bit because apparently did not listen very well when i was listening to to this episode she's like i got the same email you got. You be disclosed in. I was like what is she talking about. Did i mention email and then i went back to the same email bill. Oh hamilton. I think she had the same idea she saw other. Selling hamill hamilton tickets all get clear tickets then we both saw the price and we're like exit exit you start even thinking leave of charging her credit card we have <hes> alicia sent an email to mike author <hes> account and she shared a photo of this was when he shared a photo of <hes> she was in british candy shop in canada and since afraid i forget what episode was but you mentioned something about rock sticks. You went to a wedding and you lost last year rock. Stick <unk> didn't know what it was and it'll hang on hang on hang on a rookie mistake now. This is not what is good tv a a stick of rock a stick of rock sorry bernice. It's very different. Iraq stink is as i want go on stage wjr empire drum so rock steak or stick of raw system okay really make this is the hill. You're getting it right yet. This is the hill. I'm gonna dial yeah now what she sent me a photo so i'm not as clueless but still apparently don't a hundred pronouncing melissa commented on episode twenty seven and she says she's he's a katy reader in loves it <hes>. She says she's not cheap but if she wanted to read as many lesbian novels as she does read in a month it would become very expensive so she may be hesitant to try and unfamiliar author which is one of the crows. We said about cato specially. If you're a new lahser a does allow readers to sample. You're writing without much cost on their end. In an i got another email from my tv account from does and <hes> i was talking about. <hes> fuzz is catching up on podcast episodes in was commenting on the one of how we came up with character names emphasizes method is to wonder through cemetery terry and to look at the headstones for names and i shared a story when i lived in london i lived in earls court for the first couple of years and i loved it and there's a beautiful cemetery over. They're a brompton cemetery and i found out it was cemetery where beatrice potter used to wander through and if you are huge beatrice potter fans you could wander wander through and you can find the gravesite of peter rabbit jeremiah fisher mr nut kuenz so she also used the same message to name her a character as well kazman saying that fictional characters owner hang on. I see he named him. After people then died golden. She used to understood that cemetery. She lived nearby content. It's a it's a beautiful cemetery for anybody who has not been actually <hes> lease gold sheep posted photos on facebook a week or two ago and <hes>. She said she was taking her dog for a walk and a messenger right away on my were you walking through brompton cemetery goes. I recognize some of those goes against. I was she's she was visiting london so it's one of my favorite places in <hes> we have to find all emails from to our podcast email. No he wants to know if <hes> if i get paid for the <unk> k._u. Patriots apparently narrates <hes> some books three or four times through k._u. Do you know that i i think they only pay you once our book <unk> night up to say i wouldn't be on tonight as a good question by any it is a question. I remember reading at some point. You only get paid once for the full thing but i'm not a hundred percent percent certain so it's something we should look into but <hes> thanks for reading. That's fantastic. In <hes> one final comment on my the end was from kimberly <hes> make her laugh and her girlfriend who isn't interested in writing has started listening to our podcast just for the humor <music> the pressure to be funny. Is that israel israel people and kimberly is writing. I book in appreciate all the great influence dot so i can relate the best of luck online dating. I've got t comments one from kathy. He emailed me and said said that she's really glad that. I'm available. Most my books are available across platforms and not just on kindle and kindle unlimited because she has found me the on nook. The lesser spotted nook reader kathy while done <hes> she's down related. She has downloaded the kindle app to her phone and said that she can read stuff stuff. The irony bound kindle for cinema time but she does preferred to support other vendors as she doesn't want to give amazon her money and all the power. She's with male now and kathy is using glad we mentioned the men menopause and peppering on cosmic on a regular basis and she loved the bleeper. The end of the now steps lead. What i'm going to have to go back can listen. I remember i remember you messing but i can't remember not that you mess up often reasoning night because i would mess it up every single time stealing ah t lane one other comment fa may pam amount may about them and we can now. She says i've often mentioned the long weekend as one of my is my second novel and apparently i mentioned it a couple of times in the pocus saying they didn't sell very well and in comparison to my others. Dan leno who's april eight nine is true hasn't sold as well but he is okay but hasn't sold well panera and say i love a romance as much as the next person but he doesn't enjoy a bit of drama and age-appropriate crises every now and again and he's a similar age t the group that went away on their long weekend and said the story resonated she just basically right in say she she loved it even if it hasn't sold enough which is very lovely of you pam and she wants to sequel just wanted to racial pam anybody else out there <hes> that we need because and is a good thing to know as a writer that not all wheel books are going to land the same books who sell simon you'll have some books are absolute runaway processes and some books that just sell as much even what you did change the cover changed blood remark led thing the people that do read the louis canned and absolutely love it but just not as many people read it and that's just how it is. I've changed the cover. I've changed blurb and that did change things for one then went back now. It's always been so it's it still sells on a regular basis but just not as big as light lennon coolio nothing to lease and that's just the way it is yeah. I have a couple of books. They were like that like my girl. I love happened series which i love the series. I love the characters <hes>. I have a lot of fun writing it but it just does not sell so when people write me like. Are you going to continue. I do plan on continuing the series but i have to be very careful about eggs is going to be one of those. Were don't have to rely on that loan for income because it just is is just one of those things it just it. It has a dedicated following under forest small amount of people and i do want to continue to story but it's a as a business person also which by businessperson as well as an author. I have to be very strategic about it so <hes> so all the listeners who are are waiting for the next girl of happens. I am going to continue it. I just need to figure it out. When how and everything 'cause i've tried a trade relaunching it of tried and it just it's. It's just one of things where the people who love it. Love it in everyone. Else's just like pushed her hand up and goes away and similarly. I think is louie. Can't komo one book. That's not a romance <hes>. It's a slice of life about eight ranji. Go in for a weekend and so i think the thing is people say that they they want books on romance uh-huh as well and that's just the plain fact and so let me say we're in this as business. This is our main source of income so we have to write romance. Festival maze doesn't mean that i wait right right a slice of life type time again <hes> because i didn't joy and i think i think this facebook as well enough about that. Let's get onto omay until pick because as we happy blabbering on for a little while now so a main topic today is podcast. What ones do we love and listened to on a regular basis sue you can submit this into one's about writing and one's about not about writing. Say tell me the ones that you listen to about writing this exercise exercise correctly because you just drop that i did actually divide up my comments like it says on my notes writing once at the very top mary how how did i know we've divided up to writing writing. There was a few podcasts. I started listening to very early on in the ones i was. I drawn to the ones who also wrote <hes> when i first started thinking of indie publishing back in two thousand twelve two thousand thirteen on there were few authors back then who were already kind of would you say the authority kind of or in the author's so i started listening to start reading books by joanna pen and in hong gonna gonna mess up the trio that guys sean johnny dave johnny show mr at they work with the supplementing being an ankle the stories judy. Yes thank you. I know the chain name so so i was reading joint pen their books and so when i started listening to podcasts a obviously kind of migrated towards their podcast to begin with as well so i wanna mention join a pins to create a pin <hes> this is a uh-huh brilliant podcast she interviews other authors under it's not just india author she interviews right. She interviews kind of a wide variety of authors. She is not her <hes> she into the people all around equated. Pray says about publishing about feature missed things. Yes and she's mytalk polka. She's the one i listen to every week so i say they agree yes. She's she's she's. She's delightful she. She's like claire. She has that british delightful. Aw what is it accident accent. I wonder why you would want to main enjoyed having coleman. Maybe we got the same taste in jam on tonight. Maybe we did you could you could we should ask so. I really enjoy her but her writing podcasts in i i would recommend it for <hes> newbies people who have been doing this for years or anywhere in between she. She covers the whole spectrum. You obviously agree 'cause. You're nodding your head she does. She's berlin if i ever i get emails on a regular basis from people saying hey i'm gonna write book. Where do i saw always put with him. Towards the on his website the greatest penta calmness penguin that a blend and but hypocaust creative penn is is brilliant and i've even been a guest on it which was one if the mice nerve wracking port call superiors as i've ever done <hes> because she has a very big audience she's been going ten years and she is the authority on it and she's very lovely but it it was very <unk> as well as being fictional the end it was it was great. I think i listened to that one. I'll have to listen to it again. Were there any bloopers involved today. Mr bloopers bloopers on that one yeah you did. Did you even t._v. We well. I do listen to podcast doing admin work so i can miss some things. I don't listen to our podcast while and do an animal or actually doing them. In writing the blurb <unk> listen to our podcast so i also turned to the so publishing show by martin and james blatch is that right out in in cleared. I've had the distinct honor of having beers with those two a couple wolf times but i really enjoy their show as well. I i listened to that pretty much every week. I have to admit i'm behind on my summer listening because i've been traveling so much trying to get caught up but that's another one that i go to quite on a regular basis and i'm just gonna chime in on this as well because i think all writing one's going to be fairly similar at least some of them so just to say my sense about that one as well and yeah it's it's a really good one listen and do they have their bit different to join a penny in that they got a whole the self publishing formula community and said they interview people he made it big via their courses because they run courses on appetizing and and and just house it had published one say that <hes> they got a wide variety of this and say they mainland india as they do interview tradition published published as well but they've we'll say they ran some brilliant interviews with india this he made it bank in but bob ads facebook ads amazon ads and something else carbon now now but those full guy back and have a look for those because as for interviews i found really really am educational and a lot from them and i applied a couple of the points they said say they reading it from people who are doing it now and they kind of get into the nitty gritty parts of the business which i enjoy this is not all about just the craft when you are in the author. You do have to know that actual what some people might consider boring aspects but more get into it. I actually actually rather enjoy all aspects of the writing life in the next two then. I'm going to mention that. I might just mentioned in handover to you because you are the one who introduced me to these podcasts. He you might have a lot more to say about them. The first one is how do you write by rachel herring in the second. One is another rachel that she does with jay. Foreign the writers will and and i remember <hes> you're listening to the writers will when you met me at a publishing you were told me about it and i think i downloaded it right then and there yet again yeah i've been. I've been lucky enough to be a guest on rachel herons. How do you white for cost and that she's interesting. If you wanna listen to she has variety spectrum of all his own <hes> <hes> traditionally and india published across genres and she just in tease them on how they write their short shop focus and he's a very good guest at a very good host the writers well she does with jay thorne and that is actually what inspired me today this book to do this poker say because let's writers just jennifer every week and then they focus on one till pick say that was inspiration for this podcast app cy thanks jay and rachel but they do a good show every week aac and i love that honesty and their humor and i like their chemistry as well as their voice stuff on on writing because they have been writing a long the nasty i think lightly by at least ten years so they've got a lot of love good information on knowledge in stuff that they say generally listen to him. Yeah i really liked interaction in their extremely genuine which i really appreciate because you know sometimes people you can they they kind of flipped their own feathers feathers and everything but these two were just genuine and then they they respect each other and it comes through with their dialoguing just enjoy their banter. They're kinda funny. Mail l. funny and we respect each other. Don't we do we. We even moronic anyway. I ah now there was one of cited the rise well when a they just have the question was a house you'll poo and literally that was signed house your house you digestive health but the the question and the way they phrase it was as you paid and they spent the entire episode just laughing at the word pooh it was just camps and shell when i was just in a series because they were in a series and they didn't addle after out and it was just like ten seconds wall of laughter. They would just saying the word pu not saying. Let's never have that as a question i didn't. I didn't hear that was gonna have to go fine. The pooh ah episode name again. That's that's fool writing. Is that what you're right and one son. I have one last one. I wanted to mention it just one night recently recently start listening to i've only listened to you one or two episodes but <hes> is called the misfits guide in writing indie romance so i haven't i i. I find their chemistry interesting but i haven't listened to him. Too much knows wondering if you had stumbled upon them at all. I have stumbled. I haven't listened to. I'll have to say nine <unk> adrian. Somebody you're gonna ask me that. I did not write down their names because details details until but is one of those if they're our listeners out there who who listen to let me know if i should continue or not yet i have heard of it but i wouldn't say morning semi into the side of the story. Julia is mentioned an ice. Oh listen to that so that's johnny shonen day. They used to have these self publishing podcast. I think gives gold and then they <unk> swivelled swallowed pivoted pivot swivel. Maybe they did that. I think last year and they they tend to into the stories with them. I think it's one of those things where i think they've got a lot of good advice and i think i've learned probably the most from the podcast but you i do have to get on board with a hema. They're very kind of gig lay a boise at times but they're very lovely say he kinda <unk> at first. They annoy me a little bit and now i just kind of i listened to them. 'cause i don't listen to every single one pub. Listen to at least fifty percent of them so i can cheese and that's the thing with these boca's you can pick and choose the ones you want. As long as it's not po cost you got listen to everyone days yes and comet and comments and the other one the other a couple of ice and t- <hes> the assemble book shea which is just exactly what is attend all of these as a weekly assemble book show is with brian cohn. Jim crow and on jim. Cockrel is a bit of grumpy grumpy sought any makes me laugh that is basically it's just a roundup of the news say e just keep on top of everything thing. That's happening in the indian publishing world so that's always good to donate in the city top tip. They do speak quite slowly so i listened to that. One on one point five speed say you can get through five minutes show in like twenty five minutes and without compromising any of you listen listen. Ability is what we're gonna. Clear light in fresno yet lives in the military. She get t shirts. I've tried to listen to some other po costs toss. 'em on that speed. They sound ridiculous. I quite often de one point one point t- speed but one point five on the similar book shame it doesn't impact not aasheim slavery they speak and the other one that i love is the twenty first century creative and that is i'm actually listened to any of the third afford season. He's just dropped out. I must've listening to again but that he's name is completely. Just fled my head. Say let me just martin mcguinness. That's his name and he is a life coach psychotherapist he'd creatives and he does brilliant pagosa twenty-first-century creative they did and it's not just invited into being anybody he's creative and erase gays in depth on their life and what they do and why they do oh and how they do it and it's really interesting to hear other creatives from other spheres of crazy and how you can say what they're doing applied to you own world world honestly when you have you been holding back. You've never mentioned this to me now kind of <hes> well by frankly bist komo very quickly the self publishing his co. Costs and that is east because the spago focused as they might rebranded spousal so this that four women from land and they really off. They all right romance. They're all at different stages of their of their career sale. I think to the full time to them apart time yet. One of them's got like like fifty bucks at one of them's got like two hour and really struggles to ryan say that and they got really good cameraderie say and it's nice to have some female fronted shows which join a pen and rachel heron do but the so publishing this boggles is four women say. I like to listen to them interesting that they have such a a spectrum of the one who was published fifty in any of one who published two. That's the to bounce ideas off each other. Do they feed into their their newness end kind of old hat kind of yeah mentality yes so they just bring different levels of experience in t- every problem lim say like when they're talking about planning a book the woman has written fifty books is gonna planet very differently to into yet. That's one of them that i always had to pay his avenue because she just constantly does causes and then just doesn't write anything but she loves to in kasese saying i've met many writers you have told me i want to write in <hes>. This is what i've done to pet prep for it and they've listed all these books. They read in all these podcasts into like. Have you tried sitting down at the laptop. They're like more like take years. We'll talk again with all. These podcasts castle isn't it. You can really just kind of go down at rabbit hole you can you can definitely and you'd have to think if you go an hour. A day is better to write for the ala than to listen to a podcast but the me the time i listened to poke us is when i walk which i normally do every day when i'm exercising if i'm going for a run all focused on and i die jimmy date when i'm when i'm cooking i will but i i like to concentrate on what they're saying and i find that like if i have the radio on what i'm doing something that's fine line. 'cause i know there's there's nothing i absolutely want to listen to because i haven't is just like music and background chat mindfulness until pocus. I might concentrate on date. Tend salman. I'm working with them yeah. It's the edmund work talking about is pretty much the mindless copy and paste work. I have to do sometimes for the website so <hes> <hes> so yeah. There's not a lot thinking going involved in that so i can't but i do. I will stop. I will <hes> i usually have a notepad next in a pen and i will stop. I take notes and i have little folders next to my desk which you can't see that i file away <hes> notes according to the folder for different podcast i've listened to you and then i'll go through every once in a while to refresh my memory but i do agree with you. If you only have one hour per day right yeah i mean yeah and you got one day. Maybe eight five days days and then listened to poke <unk> sombat balance. I i used to listen on my walks but lately are used to listen to podcasts are used to listen to audio books but this summer for some reason. I've stopped listening. I am enjoying actually having that time to myself in not having anything in my ears and i just kind of observe serve and i've been mulling starting a new book tomorrow. I'm going to start writing a new book tomorrow. Show been letting everything just kind of roll around in in my head so i haven't i've been wasting some hours on one hand but i haven't been wasting on the other hand because sometimes i just needed empty hitch face to get new projects projects going yeah and there's a value in that as well okay so let's get onto known brighter podcast say t._b. Hit me with a non right to report costs well. The first one actually isn't a non rotary podcast. It's is by a fellow lesbian author but she it's the harper bliss in her missus and they just kind of chat back back and forth to each other they do update what what's going on in harper's writing life but it's more just a fun one that i like to listen to you because they're quite snarky to each other and i enjoy their banter sure so and was banished. We have to give a shadow to her privilege. She is one of our trade partners. She is and we've been in a call with them and sat with them for drinks and we can confirm they they. They do talk bouncing goods. Knock yes they're. They're quite entertaining so if you haven't listened to their podcast i do recommend it. In then i listened to this other <hes> lesbian podcast. It's called the lesbian book club on the lesbian lunch mist laden. Have you ever heard of this. Podcast never heard of it. I've been a guest on this. That was my absolutely favorite website. Those who don't know glennon host the lesbian book club in his quite entertaining so i recommend that one highly what about you. What else do you listen to. That's very sweet of you went to expect you to shout at me. Put it costs and i got so i've got one. Am one coltrane shade. This was my absolute favorite podcast for about two or three years. What what was the title. The game and the title is throwing shade okay. That's what i thought you said sosa sosa snark yes throwing shade and it's hosted by aaron gibson and brian savvy and they all bay stand up comedians brian is a bit of an actual and aaron as a and he is gay and aaron is he describes himself as a feminine stay. She's a bang-up feminist. I and very funny with it. Recommend it because it's it's basically shines ally on l. G. p. t. l. l. g. p. t. as the lesbian and gay personal trainer movement <hes> the l._g._b._t.'s shines on obt issues and women's issues and pop culture said lacy do things are great say and it is an american baseball 'cause mason. This stuff is based on act but they do have a more quiet big worldviews well so it's really really great great to listen to. It's funny. It's relevant. It's very angry about politics is a political shows will <hes> if you like top bands between the presented like a state and on during chain and helplessness <unk> who say give fortunately from the b._b._c. at try this is jane gov of a and fi glover basically fantastic radio presenters are waiting for radio presenters and their rights and they have a just cornered wounded them okay in just took to king about nothing and making it sound absolutely brilliantly entertaining the they just they have guests on every week and i just chat about about being women of a certain age menopausal. Let's say now yeah <hes>. I think both you in harper and caroline recommended this last summer. When we were all limor we where we bristol for alcon summer weaver eat alcohol so you guys mentioned mentioned it and quit 'cause you guys were does laughing. You're you're tossing gems back and forth and like what are they talking about and i went home and i started listening to the episodes and i think one day it listen to like seven of them. They're just funny. They all funny. I want to be when i grow up. I wanna be as funny as them. Do you think we can make it happen. I think so. I mean i think yeah. I think we have a little bit of a sense of humor. <hes> maybe a little bit and then to others very quickly. One is the tim ferriss shite right which is very well nine. It's one of the top fly pocos in the world or something but for a reason he's a brilliant host. He has brilliant guests. 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NBA News: Oladipo, All-Defensive Teams & 2K Covers

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NBA News: Oladipo, All-Defensive Teams & 2K Covers

"Good morning swirled and welcome to the no dunks podcast on the athletic network. It's Monday July sixth I'm Jay skeets joining us. Thanks to the power of zoo. Melles. Athletic Network eight tasks. We got the bearded one Trey Kerby. With the International Manama's teeth, he can tell the Max Leila's friend. And last, but not least making the magic happens GD. There is here. We are guys. Email us your. And your comments to know dunks at the athletic dot. com will be hit the beach a little later this week, so get accused in your comments. Follow us on social media, twitter and Instagram at no dunk zinc, and you know we're on facebook at facebook dot com slash no dunks INC role I. Guess it's official. We're now on facebook before we tackle. Today's NBA News Lee. You heard from NBA Jam legend Bradlow Housing. A weekend. Please share that story. Yes, I did. View the author of the book NBA last week, and then you ask me who my favorite team was, and I said it was the Milwaukee Bucks Combo of Bradlow Haas and Blue Edwards and it wasn't the most popular choice, but listener at the Greenwood said. He sent me a message for Instagram, and said I am teammates with Bradlow Sant`Angelo Low House and had listened to the most recent beach stepping podcast his reply, so this Tanna low has brad son, he says. That's pretty sick, not going to lie fun. Fact of the day foyer. My Dad broke a key Malaysia ribs when he dunked on him so. Taking that dove isn't unheard of. Incredible. I tried to find that Duncan couldn't find it unfortunately, but that would've made a great little. Great Little Button for that story, but yeah, it's. Great tonight at town. Aloha is out. There knows Brad gets a little bit of grief. I think for being an NBA jam listen. He was in the inaugural edition man. That's like historic me. He's in the NBA for crying. Her. Ag Much longer career than I realized. Man Eleven seasons in the pants around a lot, but Levin used the NBA Not bad, so you couldn't find the clip though of Bradfo House on Akeem Olajuwon so maybe if if any listener out, there knows anything more about this dunk or you have. Somehow you have the footage. Yeah, get it if if there's another son Bradlow house out there that has the clip. Let us now. The funny thing is I. Did a Youtube Bradlow? That's not a ton of clips out because. There's one that says that he blocks Michael Jordan I'm like Oh. Okay, well, I want to check this one out and he does block Michael Jordan, but it's a it's a pretty. Standard. Just sort of big long guy blocked a guy who goes into the paint, so it's not like Jordan guys up and tries to cram it on him and he stops. It's more dislike. Jordan's a little bit off balance. And he said it gets up there boxes. You ought say again I have to say. Has Dickie ever blocked by Jordan shot? Even wasn't a dunk attempt. No, no, yes, not. A little house lease father. Laws Dickie Wow. Do a deep dive. All right well. I love that little story to get starting on Monday we news. We got actually quite a bit to talk about here. The first thing guys, the bucks and the Sacramento Kings shut down their practice facilities on Sunday, after receiving corona virus test results, so it sounds like both these teams are just going to keep their gym's closed here for any sort of like you know workouts until the teams traveled this week to Orlando. As of Monday morning here, what? This is now six of the twenty two teams. Mark Stein, said seven. He snuck this Phoenix Suns in there all okay, okay, little report. Okay, that's fair six or seven year. Right of these yeah home market minicamps. By, the NBA teams have been shut down the nuggets. The heat the clippers, the nets who then reopened you're right. The Sunday could slip in there, and then now the kings and the bucks. All closed facilities because members or member. We don't know sometimes in some cases how many people tested positive for Covid nineteen look task is to start with you. What was your reaction to all of these closures here? Ramping up your concern of everybody heading to Orlando or sort of what maybe you expected to happen, and let's not freak out too much until everybody is safe in the bubble, and then if it happens there, then we got a whole problem. What do you think well of course when you hear the words virus and shut down twitter and social media is going to explode a but I. Think the NBA factored in. When they thought about all the cities, ramping up, and that those people would not be coming to the bubble immediately. I don't think it's an indicator of how the bubble is going to work the new. They're going to be positive tests. There I think what's going to happen. Though as as some of these people are held back in their cities. Like Landry Shamet with the Clippers for instance. He's going to need some more time and. These training camps that are already pretty short three weeks, I think you're gonNA. SEE Games in this clinical regular season. These eight games that players may not play in just because they haven't had a lot of time in those first few weeks. I think I think what this means. For. Sure is that the basketball isn't going to be as good as if everybody was down there July seventh, eighth ninth and working out. There is definitely going to be at. Guy On this schedule gone scheduled on the schedule. They haven't worked out together. So the teams with the most camaraderie. I think benefit that have already had the camaraderie, but teams like the rockets. Let's say if somebody can't play or teams that made big changes at the EH trade deadline aren't is going to be aren't going to be as well off yeah, and like it's going to be interesting this week. Because as I said a lot of these teams are headed there to the bubble to go into it. But per the League's health and safety guidelines any player who contracts the coronavirus quarantine, and then test negative twice before even being medically cleared to make the trip to Orlando so I say that because we could learn some more details about some of these teams in terms of the players, and they may not even be players right. They very well could be. Just personnel like an assistant coach or someone else. That is around the squad in the gym, so you know still have to. You know do twice negative on these tests before they can go to, but so maybe it's not the players, but we couldn't see players. Not going this week is what I'm getting at here. Even though the rest of their team goes there, and they might have to sort of play, catch up! Is that what we? What we could expect, right. Yeah. They're still you know protocols that involve days worth of quarantine before they ever get to Orlando before they even leave for Orlando, but still when you see six or seven of the twenty two teams have closed down their facilities. It's it's just alarming I. It could still be fine. These could still be the players or the personnel picking up infections just in their community. Just like everybody else's in the United States the question would be is if anybody has picked up the virus from being in the facilities now because that's way bigger problem right then you're already seeing the spread amongst teams which? You would imagine what happened once. Everybody's into the same hotels in the same gyms once again in Orlando so. It'd be nice to hear a little bit more transparency from the League. About how these tests have or how these cases have been. have been caught, but I don't necessarily know that we'll hear that. Everything well just. So, trying to think about how many people are in a practice facility, and how how many paint teams and players have been in contact with each other right now and they're getting a lot of tests and shutting down facilities I'm just worried that when you have a couple of hundred people and a couple of thousand people together in Orlando. This could so easily just derail this whole thing for the NBA. Because You're going to have so many more people I know they're trying to make sure. Everything's clean and hygienic and sanitize, but it just shows how easy You know one of these sort of infections can just. Shut down that the team because the the fact that they're saying they're shutting down their practice facilities right away. They're being. They're not taking any chances of course which is great, but what's going to happen once the basketball stars playing something like this happens, do they then just again? Quarantine that one player or do? They have to quarantine the entire team so I mean, it's one thing when you're talking. By the Phoenix Suns, who we know are really only going down there to make up the numbers, but the Milwaukee Bucks a championship contender I mean it's just a whole different situation down there if let's say the bucks and let's say Johnson and Middleton and all this plays. Have to be quarantine when the games the beginning, I mean that just. Puts the whole thing in doubt in my opinion so. It's a it's GonNa be fascinating to see how long if this even does, get off the ground in the first place, and then again what happens if we do have a serious infection because? I think it's I. Think it's almost inevitable really to be honest at this point. I just don't think he can keep an eye out. And it's just going to be heavily handles that, and what the sort of protocol that us to us right because look, we would all agree if this if they were already in Orlando and then six of the seven teams. Have to stop doing workouts and stuff like that. Because of people testing positive than yeah, then I think the whole thing is completely shut down happening in Orlando like task was saying though I think the League wisely, maybe expected this to be the case with everybody in their home markets, and then you rightly. We now just don't let anybody into the bubble until we are as. Hundred percent or close to one hundred percents a possible of them, not having it. The the question is is actually realistic at all. I think that's what they're hoping for with. The amount of work is that we know who are going to be coming and going I just don't know how you can virtually stop that another going to be tested and they're going to try to keep it. is as clean as possible, but if you really have a bubble then, I think just opening up the the dual for it to commit because. because. It's just so hard to keep this virus out. That's what I'm saying. So far remained Phoenix of courses in Arizona Arizona's had one of the worst being one of the worst hit state as well so every single person who comes from that from that team I guess is just at a high risk of having some sort of having the the the symptoms of the virus so Yeah, it's it but again. It's a lot of the traveling this week or they're supposed to be traveling this week. So Y- The fact that they've shut down. Facilities already tells me that. I think sometimes want to travel for at least one more week. Just can't see why they would go ahead until they're all clear. Related News here. chomps from the athletic reporting over the weekend that Victor Oladipo is choosing to sit out the restart in Orlando. He revealed this again in an interview with shops. It's a it's a great article. Him giving his reasons why he did return of course from the ruptured quadriceps tendon injury, he played what like thirteen games or something like that? I know that feels like a lifetime ago, but he did return any plate, and he was actually a really good night or final game before everything shut down, but he's saying along with his obviously trainers and stuff like that that this this may be not the right decision here because he's at more risk to other injuries to other parts of his body, trae will one surprised by this news. Do you think I know there's some pacers? Fans are like what will. He was playing. Why isn't he still coming? Like. We're a good team. It's like not like the wizards trying to even get in here What do you think of this depot news I think it is surprising, because only depot had just recently returned to the court. And you're not like. You're saying skeets. He had a really nice game. Right before the League was shut down so it Kinda you would think that he would just continue playing once. The season came back and once once. Everybody's clear to be going five on five, but. His trainer. The Quad Tendon injury he suffered is basically a two year injury, so they think that common back play in thirteen games than sitting for three months then coming back and trying to ramp up again is really gonNA. Put all the depot behind the eight ball and you know, put them at risk for another sort of soft tissue injury. He's also going into a contract year for next season twenty twenty one and he wants to be as healthy as he can, so he can get as good of a deal as he can. It also behooves the Pacers. To allow all a depot to skip out on the Orlando bubbled. Because the Pacers aren't a huge free agent destination, right, they want be able to keep victory, but they want to be able to say. Yeah, we support you. We support your decision. We like what you're doing. What you're doing is smart for you at smart for us, but they also kind of have to do it. They don't WanNa do something that's going to Piss all the deal all the depot. Often then he wants to go sign with the Lakers or something like. Like that, so it's surprising because we had seen deep on the court this season and you know it seemed like if he was able to get back to full strength, the Pacers would be at the very least a playoff contender team that could win a series, maybe a couple of series from that standpoint. It's surprising when you consider the holistic picture of things that there's a lot of money at stake that there are injuries at stake. It definitely makes sense is what's weird is by all accounts. He's going to still travel to Orlando. Is that part's a little on I. Mean especially when we've talked about like how you only have this thirty five person party that you can have. He's just going to be one of the guys that thirty five party team. Just for morale and being around the squad tasks. What do you think of the whole deep news? Well he wasn't going to be back to his old all-star self postseason, no matter what and. Regardless if they played through March and April, he wasn't going to be right. Is Trainer had said so, and this is just knocked them out. that that's what happened. He was definitely worried that the injury was gonNA. There is going to be a setback if he came back and tried to go full throttle for sure, and so as trae said that that's where we are I don't think he was ever going to be the number. One Guy the this. This postseason like he wasn't GonNa be back to his old south, so we're not seeing a contender. Go to a you know a mediocre team status here I. I don't think there's a drop off. I think they were GonNa be you know up against it? No matter what and yet he's GonNa come hang out just like other players who are sitting right now, trying to get tested. They're going to join a little bit later. as we Andrews reported that. All the teams are gonNA. Go this week and then. you know if Landry Shamet, you tested positive. You can come next week. You figure it out. You got to travel by car. It's at your expense, so everybody's going down there. I'm sure Victor Oladipo is not going to be hanging out there from July seventh, eighth or ninth. But he'll come down a little bit later on, and and really this this the first instance I think of that. We're seeing that the hiatus. Out and knocked the guy off of his his timeline. Yeah, a big name, obviously only the biggest name that. Officially know that it's not going. Came when he came back, he had some good moments, but he also did look rusty. Coming off that nasty injury that he had and for him to come after such a long break, then to be playing in than to have another four or five months between games I guess he just felt that he couldn't really gain a whole lot out of this as sort of try. Mention that he wants to win, he plays again. He wants to show. He's worth of a Max contracts. He's probably at his best. He's around that area and I. Think in a in a situation like this where he's probably only going to be applying. What Games, and then maybe two rounds of the playoffs, perhaps he doesn't feel that's long enough for him to really get into his four groove and show exactly what he can do, so he's taking the cipher approach and I'm usually personally says I think playing basketball is always better than not if capable, but under these circumstances. I think it's probably for him to take the safer option, because as I say I feel, it could take a guy like that easily. A month to six weeks just to get in the flow again and then then the season's over anyway, so he might not just be out a really demonstrate all you can do so. Probably probably a smarter option to do it this way I think, but also we that he's even bothering going so. Yeah not not not sure exactly. Why do that but I guess I guess he going to be involved in scrimmages, maybe with his team and Wants to be the first team I. Don't think he's GonNa. Really play all that much. It's just going to be I. I feel like when you. When he was injured before he was on the bench in his blazer, rallying around his team I think that's that's all it is, but. A lot of guys don't want to go down there. Victims Sand I WANNA. See disneyworld even if. Check it out well. Let's not forget I don't have the pace of going on to win the title by any means, but they were good team without all the depot. Racked up a lot of wins obviously. Got Some bonus and you've got Brogden and you've got. Turner and you're well coached. So, yeah I mean. There's GonNa. Be No easy L., even without all the depot. There's still a really good basketball team, or at least in theory I don't even know what basketball is anymore. I I have no idea what to expect from any of these teams once we actually maybe restart this thing in Orlando other related news. Throw this that you guys a couple. Assistant Coaches Wind Holland's with the Lakers and Jeff Delic with the. They are in theory, not going to be going to the restart with their respective teams and ESPN says Celtics Gordon Hayward plans to leave the NBA bubble, four birth of child of. Force I believe is for kid. Yeah, his wife is is do of course, and so he's looking ahead. I think maybe she's due around September. But you know if the Celtics are still role, and he saying obviously going to leave to be with my wife and the birth of my fourth child, but then we'd have to go through all the protocols to get back in. There's anything anybody wants to add to either of those. If there are surprised by any of that news there, Yeah Hayward said it was an easy decision for him apparently Mike. Conley is going to be having a child during during sometime in August as well. There are protocols in place for players to be able to leave the bubble, and then come back, which leads me to believe that there must be so many MBA babies that are planned for August and September code if they have the rules in place. They must have known that there was going to be. You know a lot of offspring popping out. COME LATE SUMMER! I just wonder what the percentages more than fifty percent NBA. Kids are born in the off season. I would have to think so. Yeah, because you're saying like. They're trying as much as they can to plan the calendar to. Office now. Yeah, time to do it, yeah! Yeah. Let's get Kirk Schools Berry. John's on that. Let's find out the birth dates of all the children and what percentage falls in the summer I'm actually I would be fascinated to know that it feels like Gordon. I got four kids. This'll be useful if it does feel like we've been through four of those as well you know. It seems like it seems like every time he has a baby. We all know he's better because he was there. All females right well. That's right doesn't say the revealed last time you go to hate because it looked like he was disappointed, he was having another gals I'm not sure what he's having this time. I don't know if he did reveal. That he looked like he was disappointed, he was definitely. I'm. Trying to. Daddy's always happy. Would be disappointed with any kid have hearings. Keep track of them, do we do? We know that the Hayward's having another girl? Honestly don't do I feel. It probably would have been on social media if they did gender reveal again this time because he would have wanted to. Maybe you know like, say look. I'm happy. I didn't care. What I have is right. I don't know I'm just it's GonNa be a salad. One thing with all of this. I left a bubble for another girl. One thing. I've been watching with all this. I just find it a little bit. Fascinating is how. The. NBA is branding this bubble experiment of I. Don't know if you guys been sort of watching a two. They really were going with straight up just NBA restart. But then there was. There was like a little bit of a push for the comeback I saw and now over the weekend when they released the scrimmages on because we're going to have these pre games before the actual seating games. And who you're going to be playing, they really said over the weekend. They Hashtag. Hold new game. So going for a while, yeah, that in Aladdin Tien that's that's a fascinating whole new game just makes it sound like play in different rules down here. But. They're obviously trying to avoid bubble. They're not leaning into that. We've even heard silver a long time ago. Saying more of a campus experiment and stuff like that or environment I should say. But anyway just to watch restart comeback whole new game. which do you have a favorite tasks, or is there another one you'd like to see them? Everything just feels Doesn't feel right at this point. I don't know one hasn't really hit me quite yet. Don't have a good one. I don't have a good one quite yet. There are other it just all seems like. Why are we branding it? About the play offs just. All right well, moving on here Marc Spears ESPN over the weekend. His sources say the NBA Union agreed to a list of social messages that can be put on. Jerseys are right because we had talked a long time ago, but the I would the idea of maybe the NBA would put stuff on the floor and stuff like that, and they might sell but I guess you're going to be able to put. The players are disapproved list of social messages that the Players Association and the NBA The league itself agreed on. I won't go through all of it. There's something like forty, but black lives matter. Say their names vote. I can't breathe justice piece quality. Say Her name, and again it goes on and on and on. What I thought was interesting from this in and there's some interesting ones. There's like group economics. He'll be like I think people are like well. How many of the players are going to do this? If like a couple of people on your team, do it then. Wouldn't you feel like everybody would do it? And what would you pick and all that but? Sort of buried within the news I thought was. The messages will be displayed above the number so like. Where would you normally have your name? During the first four days of the season restart? And then after the first four days or nights, a player can simply go back to their last name. But if they continue to to want to show the message. then. Their name would go below the number. The. Parts all very confusing. Honestly like you can do it, and if you want to continue doing it then there's just a little rearranging. We'll have to put your name on their. Names going on there after four days. No matter what you want to keep the message on their. Keep It on, you. Yeah, so I just wonder if that is for maybe to help the broadcast as though as well with the names I'm just saying because if you're not on, you're trying to watch I. Mean I'm sure sometimes, you have to just look at the number. It's. Okay I guess I would just the counter to that would be then. Why wouldn't you just do that? Right from the start? Right show at your social social message to your name, but maybe it's more powerful without it at first, and that's why they're doing it for the first forty s yeah. Like. I like the NBA doing this really it leaving it up to the place to decide what they want and. They don't WanNa do hold on hold on sort of leaving it up to the players to decide what they want. And what's not completely agreed upon list? You can't find anything there's. defunding the police, there's nothing about police reform and I mean defunding the police as a huge tenant of the black lives matter movement, so the fact that that's not even on the list to me. Your neutering the message read their. Well yes, I mean I in that in that sense in that particular stateman. Yes, but I think overall I think they're trying to cover as many different sort of phrases and sayings that they can have an impact and I think that's that's right. I think this is the first step from the NBA and perhaps they will consider adding more as well I mean defunding the police like short like if people can that then why not? Again I think the NBA is making the right choices, either by saying listen, we are serious about trying to bring more attention and not just make this about the Games in the championship and things like that. We are trying to bring the message out there and make it. KEEP ON PEOPLE'S MIND so. There's still some work to be done here, but I think this is still a strong first step I think it's important that everything looks different and when you tune in in August Nia say a casual fan says the NBA playoffs have started. Let me see what's going on. Sure the names might be different but I. WanNa. See The court have some messaging as well and I'm I'm unclear you guys tell me if the court is gonNA. Look any different. If there's no I, don't think we know yet and I. I would assume that that's not going to be the case. If if these messages players name or the the player slogans GonNa be on a player's Jersey for four days or not or more, or who knows it doesn't seem like it has been documented, but the impact isn't GonNa. Come from names on the back of the Jersey Again I'd rather see it on the floor, but what's really going to? Make an impact with. Systems is what's going on behind the scenes and Michele Roberts. Declared that the players union is doing something that. Will hopefully do that. They're investing in research groups on police behavior and their abuse of power sharing with graphs, grassroots organizations in those communities, and then rallying people to elect the prosecutors in those communities that will do something about it so the NBA trying to do something on their own. That's actually separate. From the NBA they're trying to get the MBA did to jump in on this and do it hand in hand a, but that's the stuff that's actually going to make a difference with with this movement and again I think this is to be a spotlight though. To just obviously put it in front of more people's eyes, and in their minds, more these messages, but when you watch it when you watch. You Watch a game. Let's say on Christmas Day and you. The jerseys are sorted different There's a name on the back of the place. All Star game is a better example when they had like the the first name on the front of Jersey or the back of a Jersey I should say like you need a close up to see that you don't just see it on a wide angle and say oh. You know it's I. Don't think it's going to be that apparent. Well if anything, my concern is what's going to happen here is with. The conversation at least on twitter and I mean I. You shouldn't put too much onto twitter, but it feels like it's GonNa. Be like well what players choosing what message and what does that mean and then all now? They're getting rid of it. What? That player doesn't even have one like that's going to be totally losing you. You're not. That's pointless. If we get into these conversations and like I fear, that's going to happen trae where it's going to be like Oh interesting. He went with that, but Oh, why is it getting rid of and stuff like that? Yeah people are going to care too much about what the players are choosing compared to actually what the things that they're choosing mean, which is why what tasks is saying that the MBA is actually doing something in their communities to try and address some structural issues more important than putting a bunch of names on the back of jerseys. The best things that can happen for this or that people get inspired and do a little history research. You know a bunch of pretty much. Everybody was laughing and saying I am a man who's going to choose. I am a man I read a history book. That's a famous civil rights saying. I wouldn't be surprised. If the entire Memphis Grizzlies chooses I am a man. Yeah do you think the entire league will have this? I don't know I. Don't know about the entirely I think. A high percentage will maybe seventy five percent, but I imagine there will be some people who just choose their name. It's interesting. I mean I think overall. You can have like for the Lakers. I'd be shocked if anyone the like is didn't have some sort of slogan because you know Lebron is going to you know as the later. It's going to look a little bit awkward I think are Bit Weird if player eleven on the bench has he's nine so. I think I agree I. Don't think there'll be one hundred percent, but I think they'll be. Very very high percentage of players who could go that route because right now is the time where you really do want to make your voice heard as best you can, and if that's if that's the way you can do it. On a basketball court, then you certainly don't want to turn down that opportunity at the League is giving the players a huge out by after four days. You can take it off if you want. So I would guess that. What's the percentage of players going in on July thirtieth, thirty, first and August first the first Games. It's going to be really high when it comes to August fifteenth when the playoffs start. It's got to be a heck of a lot lower. I mean I. Guess, but I don't know. Why would you then remove it? I mean it's like you have it on. There's obviously. Play by any means unless you're super superstitious. Why you would then take off tasks I, hear you. I just four game. MONIKER is we're game little windows. There for a reason that guests yeah, we'll see. Next headline here next piece of News Jackie macmullan ESPN. Sources her sources say the NBA is discussing a second bubble for non playoff teams in Chicago. Yes, there's a deep discussions on another bubble Leonardi laughing here for the eighteen that were not invited to play in Florida, so this would enable them in theory to participate in a mini training camp, and maybe games against the other clubs with a target date of September. This would be after the Orlando bubble kicks off dope. Pistons Coach Dwane Casey. He took an informal. Informal pullman coaches who are not in Orlando are headed to Orlando, and he said the majority of them would prefer just to have their own mini camps and not do this. WHAT LE- let's start with you because you're laughing at it, not a fan of a second bubble. I don't think it makes any sense whatsoever because you're not playing for anything, and let's look at a team like the Golden. State Warriors, for example like Steve Kerr basically mild this season in. A couple of months ago now who a WHO the word is going! They're obviously not going to send clay and Steph and dream on. They're just going to send a summer league team. It'd be yeah, yeah, so I just don't see what the point of them going out there to play, but I think they'd be better off to stay in their own cities and focusing on on the plaza and trying to work out because again. A lot of these teams have probably already starting. Starting to think about what they're gonNA. Do for their rosters next season and who they're going to try to sign a release, so I don't really see what they gained by going together and playing in a in a mean of all the meaningless tournaments. Whatever whatever this one is, if they had some sort of prize champion at the end, it doesn't make any sense, so I think right now. It's a lot more important for teams as best they can to to not be together. I mean this is a risky in Orlando and there's at least a prize at stake in Chicago the applying for anything, so it doesn't really make any sense to me. Well the the reason they would do it. You touched on it. The warriors are an aberration here. They've got three guys who are an all star. They've got wiggins. Who was still number one draft pick I mean he's probably the guy who would be most. Watched for a development standpoint, playing with a bunch of the warriors, just to see how he had fit in, but in general bets. That's completely different team. That's a playoff team who happened to have a really off? Bad season. The reason all these other teams WanNa play because they don't want nine months off. You say that they're going into summer into the off season. They'd make decisions about who stays around, and who leaves the League shutdown right after the trade deadline. There are new personnel for these. These teams, so there's benefit to seeing how they fit together. There's benefit to basketball players who WANNA play basketball actually plan and seeing how they worked together, so I think that that's the reason why all these teams in the loser bubble would wanNA play. They're not playing for anything. It's going to be expensive I. don't see how they're going to make money. Because who's turning on the loser bubble when there's actual games that matter happening not to mention the very last paragraph of this. Jackie, macmullan thing. Chicago Mayor Lori. Lightfoot just said that if you're from one of fifteen states when you come to Chicago, you have to quarantine for two weeks. That affects the warriors that affects the Hornets that affects the Hawks so i. don't know how they would actually do it if they want to get started around the same time. Yeah, it's interesting that should they've picked Chicago and we talked a lawyer Pierce on the podcast last week. Hawks head coach and he was. In the know, and he said well. Apparently, it's actually going to be done in August and we know the hotel that we're going to be at already, and I would just assume why go to Chicago. Why go to a big big location like that? Why not just go in the middle of nowhere where there are few basketball courts like it doesn't have to be? This prestigious event. These players aren't going to go. Have Fun and hang out. It's just to get runs in with their teammates and play a few games. It's there I don't even think they should be televised. It's really just to go play. And they're desperate to go play. Coach Lloyd Pierce said behave were Jack to go play Jack. mcmahan article said that all in all star like trae young would go play there. There are a lot of guys who WANNA go. Get it running and not be Sequestered for seven months without playing basketball at a competitive level, so it makes sense. I think just as far as getting their legs under them going to play. But you know financially and source television and all that I I say forget it. Go play on Zach Levine's court in Seattle where he grew up and had a court and had a batting cages like I think to me. It's just find a place to go play and put the players in some sort of sequestered bubble but it's it. Yeah, it definitely opens up more possibilities for the virus, and and it's it's. It's odd to be thinking about it right now, but yes Chicago doesn't make any sense to me I would think that it would be. In A- in Brian, windhorst town in Nebraska, Omaha which Omaha Nebraska I should say, but that being said. Breakouts over there. Lot of food plants over there happening the chicken plants Tyson food plants. They're everywhere. The breakouts are literally everywhere, but I I I'm not I'm I joke about that but I I think. I don't know this whole big production doesn't really make sense to me well. None of this is going to be no second bubble until we see the first bubble goes. That's a given right. They're going to see how it goes in Orlando and if it is safe enough, then maybe they do re explorer. The idea of picking somewhere that's there's a court connected right to a hotel and you can basically just warranty within their. You never have to leave, and you just play all these other teams that aren't going to Orlando. ORLANDO, but until we see what the hell happened Orlando. There's just no chance this really gets off the ground. And even then that's why I was weird outlet. They seem to know. seemed to know the hotel and where they're going. Already I guess the the logistics of it all. You got to start planning it, but you gotTA. Start Book in the hotel and getting this court ready and having the people. Yeah, but I just don't think it. Of course it happens until they see the other thing is like why couldn't. Like do they all have to go to one spot? Then play each other to get their runs in. Couldn't you just like if you're? The hawks drive to to Charlotte and play Charlotte. You know or vice versa like you just like these teams just in the proximity to each other, and maybe it's a lot more safe doing it that way where they could just play a couple of games against each other, the whole point is like you said just again a run in and I think there's some value to that because I, think these guys nearly having a whole damn, you're off playing. Competitive Basketball would be bad for them going into next season if there's the next season. But I don't think you need to all go to one spot is what I'm getting at your. Position. Just take it as easily as you can get drive to Charlotte. So what if you're playing against the wins? Four times in a row right to play against four different MBA teams. You're playing against an NBA team. That's good enough, or or the warriors could set up shop in Drake's place. You know Steph Drake are very close. Yeah, every week will fly a new team there to play in the. Drake Bowl. Warriors Oh. That's a nice ring to it all right well. We got a lot more headlines here. Still do address, but before we do a quick word from our sponsor. FELLAS. Are you prepared to unveil your summer? Bod, because the sun is shining, and the bushes must be tamed. MANSCAPING is here to ensure your post. Quarantine Body is ready for the wild. They have forever changed the grooming game with their perfect package. Three Point Oh. 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Think I think it's all it's all across the board. Everyone feels great and I think. The the benefit for the Lakers. They're great. October seventeenth wherever the season started, and they were playing good basketball on October November December January February march. That's the benefit same with the bucks those two teams. We should expect the NBA finals because I think the teams that are are hurt from this. Our teams like the clippers were Paul George was in and out of the lineup and you brought in a new player. Reggie Jackson I. There's Camaraderie building that needed to be done for those teams, but as far as like injury. EXCO Yeah. They're feeling. He's feeling great. Everybody is feeling great because it's like they had an off season this to me. The optimism feels like it's. It's training camp again. It's September October in everybody's game, twenty pounds of muscle and fields, right and Yes, they should feel good. He should feel good especially because he's on a winning team, but I think everybody's sort of in the same boat. Yeah, but what does this say about Avery Bradley? What the Hell Anthony Davis? You've you like your chances bore? You lost the key guy. Leave with no region here. Actually think for your raptors. This has been great really for them because they've been clearly one of the most beat up teams all season long. NASA to get the I three or four months, everybody should really be. Ready to go mark. Yell trimmed down as well. Norm, Powell, who had his best season, but he was in and out of the lineup so much with just these little. niggling injuries so hopefully he's back in the raptors for the first time. Since the start of the season I can't quite remember how they started actually but. They could have the full fullest healthy squad they've had it all and I think that's great for them. And also the fact that they got a break just because they went to the playoffs and the finals last year. They do get now little extended breaks. I think the the REP is a good spot right now, because if they come in healthy of said a few times, I think there are doctors to go back to back in because they've been there, they've won and they they really do believe in themselves, and there's still a very very good team, so I think that could be one of the teams that as but I agree with tasks that the Lakers. Are Good coming into the season cancels goodwin. We had shut down there. Good time. Every Bradley's a good play. He's been good for them, but they're not going to miss him. Significantly match where it's like. They me the championship without him. I don't think we know one hundred percent dwight, Howard status or Orlando yet, so that would be a bigger loss than avery Bradley, but I think you know Anthony Davis looks. Lebron and he said that guy played fifty five games in the two thousand, eighteen nineteen season came back and look like an MVP. He's had another long rest Lebron is getting too long rests in the course of twenty four months guy's GonNa. Come back and say, and you know I. Don't know it's been shut down for quite some time. Maybe maybe Lebron has opened his home. Jim Anthony Davis and those two have been working out together after some restrictions Were lifted I don't know what's going to happen, but you know Lebron's GonNa. Come back and look, and the guy's got the best possible Rehab home for you can have amongst NBA. Players They're going to be fine. Yeah Lakers. One of the favorites of course to win the title here if the season does officially restart our next one's a little, interesting, the athletic. They. They had an anonymous NBA coaches poll. Guys were there are asking a bunch of coaches out there, and honestly who are the League's best defenders get their views on the best defensive guys in the game. The coaches thirty three in total voted for they're all defensive first team and all defensive second team. The team guys. Center was Rudy Gobert forward. Three honest Colli guards were Marcus smart and Ben Simmons. Second team was Bam bio was the centre with? Basically the fewest points accumulated the forwards were Anthony Davis and PJ Tucker, and then the guards were Patrick Beverley and Eric Bledsoe so obviously a lot of great defensive names. There I think a lot of the same names. You quite frankly see on the media's official vote for all first and second defense but tasks. was there a big surprise from these ten guys that got the nod here or maybe an admission or to Eric? bledsoe, a little surprised everybody high on the Eric bledsoe strain. A that was kind of the one that's to me across the board. It seemed like right. The right amount of guy or the right guys were picked. Lee Degree largely it a little surprise given the two seasons that rudy go bare had an Anthony Davis had to go still got the nod. We know he's a great defender. Of course, he's a defensive player of the year but I think Davis. Hang on well Davis listed as a as a Ford Yeah. It's Classic Classic Sea. Even the coaches struggle with this chorale. That to me again, a little surprised because go bare at times I don't think he had his best defenses all I think. A few times when the jazz struggled a lot of it was because go to struggle, so he might have just been having a dance as and whereas Anthony Davis was largely think tip to be defensive player of the year, so for him to not even make that first team on this Paul is a little bit surprising. My blood see Marcus smart in there. Because I think he's an incredible defender. Even if he doesn't have all the stats to back it up and so I feel that. The coach is also recognize that like Yeah Marcus Smart. He does tons for the Celtics Defense and Good to in getting recognition and Ben Simmons I, mean he? He's a brilliant offender. Very happy him on the first time. Yeah, Trey Marcus Smart got the most points for a guard so coaches obviously very high on him. He's coming in actually right after Gobert. Who led the way with the most votes, but were you shocked by? The Marcus smart thing was interesting, because there's one coach that said he would be the very first defender, he chooses because just the tenaciousness and his versatility, and you know being able to guard so many different kinds of guys, but then you look at the defensive player of the year, voting and Marcus smart got two points to total points worth of votes yet to third place votes defensive player of the year voting. Voting because big man defense is so much more important than guard defense, and it really shows you once you're looking at the comparison between all defense teams and the actual defensive player of the year, and that to me is where you see how much Janas. Defense has become underrated. The guy's going to could win MVP on his offensive performance alone. We know the bucks are the best defense in the league, but. You know I think. We sort of bought into the idea that they have a great system and a great coach and a whole bunch of defenders who are committed to it, but the reason it works in the first place is because he honest can do so much out there on the court. Including the coaches mentioned the guy rebounds like crazy. Rebounding is the very end of defense and. And is one of the best that yeah I would I get too upset with these lists. I think again. It would be pretty similar to how the media would vote. Maybe even ourselves, but I will say I. I like. PJ Tucker I love him. I think he's getting a little bit of a bump. Maybe it's sort of Marcus smart a little bit where? Coaches love it because he's undersized. Wow that guys doing that defensively, despite not being the biggest, his position because I truthfully think when he's locked in first off. draymond green is a better defender than PG Tucker and he's better than a lot of these guys, but door warriors had garbage ear, and he didn't have a great year. Because what was the hell. There's really play for and Paul. George I think is a better defender. Then PD Tucker so I would have both of those guys over him and again. That's not a knock on Tucker I. Just think those guys better, and then you know you brought up bledsoe tasks, you can make a case I. think easily for a lowery or drew holiday I know they did warrants some votes. You can throw the home around there, but now I hear. Both of those guys are just as equally as good defenders. Eric Bledsoe if not better, right. Yeah I think I would squeeze lowry because I'm a homer but yeah and drew holiday. He's one of those guys to that. He's going to turn it on a draymond green maybe from July thirty first to August fifteenth. That guy's a shutdown guy at times to so. Some good some good guards out there. I like the fact that the the The coaches didn't vote draymond green up there, and just said voted on reputation 'cause. I kinda go against you on PJ time. The dude is. Great Yeah the driven Greens. A Better defender PJ talker. Yes. He's yeah. He's a lot younger this year this year. They made the right back though PJ Tucker's three, four or five, and yeah, but that's that's probably why, because he's playing senator. He's playing God. He's going forward for. The. Best rebounder was. It's like they've got literally. No other big guys though is like he's kind doing everything for their up. Right the best defenders do everything. Yeah, but there's no one else. He's just sort of paid by. Default has to do all their defense for. He's a good is a great. Yeah, all of these guys likely are. There's absolutely no doubt I did love. Noon we were talking about. Steel highlights on the beach. Yes, there was a great line in this article on the athletic. Encourage you go read it. One of the coaches anonymously said anytime Kawais hand is close to a ball coming up with it. There's no fifty fifty with collide. There's a ninety five five. Love that line, especially because we were talking about, the steel highlights and. Cookies. All yeah okay good. ADDS. A good steal. I love good. I might put a little compilation together later on on on the tweets sky of Kawai stealing the Bulls crack. Tweet or Maybe a Lotta now I'll tell you by get through it, but. Go down the rabbit holes, and you're like man. We've got to see these again. 'cause people everyone wants to see the. And they you know of great plays Showman, just going in there to swiping the ball out of someone's hand. Look, look you do it I'm re tweeting it blind, right? Let. You like steals like video games. I used to I used to love video games, yeah. Yeah. Yeah sort of like tired I I did say once I got engaged or once I decided. It's getting married. That I was going to retire from playing video games and stuck to it pretty. I am Marta Rosen said there's going to be. People told there's going to be video games inside the Orlando Bubbly. Said I'm not sixteen years old anymore. Wow I can't picture you. LEAP PLAYING VIDEO Games I. Can't toes me and I'd ties played a whole like season on NBA when we're living together in Toronto and that was when I kind of realized like. The weather was great. We're inside playing video games. The weather was bad. We're inside playing video against. Like, the guy's got eight toes. He's got. The you want to put them to use. Why you WanNa play, you have some. Power. Battles but it's actually it's a terrible thing to do before you go to bed because you get so hyped up tents and crazy, because it starts off fun, it's not fun of. Gilbert Arenas hit a game when a great, but then you just I want to make this girl I'm GonNa. Kill him. I've got up with this guy. My win this game. So you were playing against each other or We went through and picked out like. Fifteen teams each and then sort of. Tournament yeah, we went to the end, and and his team was his best thing was Phoenix and I was the seventy sixers with Alan. Iverson and I think I, think I chose one in seven games the final because he puts you on push on Marian on, Alan Iverson. He kept stealing ball. Oh! Yeah. Yeah, I think juice the defensive. Number one shown marrying because he just kept stealing is. I can't believe he steals it every time. You could put a compilation of all. Ato's using Shawn Marion stealing the ball from your Allen Iverson. I'll return that. You can put that up well I. Asked that because we have some video game news this coming from hype beast. This Kobe Bryant Zion Williamson and Damian Lillard NBA Two K., twenty-one cover athletes. Yes, there are three versions of this game. Trae your well task, sometimes dabble with two K., but I feel like you'll play like one or two games, I think trae plays the most of everybody. What do you think about? The three people here selected for these covers? Some exact actually nail that I can't believe at some suit was completely right saying each of our cover athletes represents different areas of the game of Basketball Damian. Lillard dominates the court today. You can't debate. He's had sixty twice this season fifty twice this season. He has had a video game season on the current. John, that's Great Dianne Williamson a standard bearer for the next generation of MBA superstar. He looks like. Like a video game you gotta put them on the next generation. Then what more could be said about Kobe Kobe? Kobe put him on the legends version. This is perfect. Yeah, I, guess. Can I be angry? Can I sound like a really old man say? Why are we have to have three covers back in my day? There used to be one guy on the cover of NBA Two K. and it's fair. Because you're right, you said it exactly right, so Lillard is on the current version for like your PS. Four is in your xbox ones and Nintendo Switch, but then Zion is on the one for the PS five and the APP the new xbox whenever that's called ten or something. That's right. Yeah exactly, right? So, that's I on one. You can't even play it yet. You just gotTa look at the pictures. One is obviously special. Yeah, go ahead. Countries have their own version. Yes, yeah, like I don't know if there's an Australian, probably have been Simmons and Greek one will have Janas and stuff like that. Yeah, they're definitely used to have those assume they still do. Did. You Ever Have Barn Yanni, cover. told me I was I was. Just thinking of that in Italy, they had What magazine was it with Barney on the cover, their annual the annual sort of basketball ALMANAC. Bernini was on it. A smart smart branding. They're going to buy that over a Damian Lillard I. Guess sure, but these Games trae are exactly the same right like. There's nothing new in the. Is there something different in the Mamba Additional, or is it just a couple of skates? That's a Hashtag whole new game. No, I'm kidding. It's gotTA. Be a basketball game. It's going to be the exact same basketball. Shirley I. You sound like an old man. I don't know what. You're getting rosters. Bro, come on both exciting thing. Wise Men yeah, but somebody's gotTa do that updating. You get New Jersey's. Maybe they'll have a bubble version I. Don't know what all they're gonNA. But I'm just excited to get my copy. Spend two and a half hours updating my system before I'm actually able to play it, and then put it in and spend hours looking for made up tweets that one of the four of us. Are we still in the game. Do we know? That's change for two K, twenty-one Lee and the next generation. In the current generation and tasks of courses alleged. The tweet, you ought to get worse, still EA sports or in give. The covers by the way cost are the games I should say deem fifty nine nine hundred. Ninety Right US Zion cover the Nexgen, sixty, nine, ninety, nine, very nice and then. Kobe What do you think Kobe's costly? eighty-five box. Up More Ninety, nine hundred ninety nine lease. Crazy. That does seem a little crazy, not really I remember. Blades a steel cost like one hundred fourteen dollars I sort of got Canadian, at one point came out with tax. percent. Tax, you're right. I'm not there hundred bucks its exact same price I bet. You know you mentioned Damian. Lillard scoring sixty twice this year. I saw a line. Come out if you're if you are crazy if you're crazy, animal and you WanNa bet on the bubble which shouldn't bet on the bubble, but the line for a player scoring amount of points in a single game in just a regular season is fifty five and a half. You can bet over or under that line on the couch away under. You don't think one guy will go. You know for fifty six, probably not a new A. Couple reasons. One you assume everybody's going to be a little rusty offensively I agree. The other thing is just minutes played. Yeah, they're gonNA go for something. What are they applying for? especially with all news coming out that? You might not be playing with teams. I think you're going to have more. Focus on practices and and that kind of thing. Wow, that's a lot. Harder and Lillard like. For the play us. All right so you so Leeann task hidden. Fifty five and a half for the seating games trey got an opinion. You love point and over. Sixty pointer from Lillard I've been listening to every single show. We did this season. And Lillard is really sticking out to me as a video game guy, so he's on the cover. Why not take the bet? I'm with trae on this. Me With. The over. Man. You got somebody. Rocking power to the people on the back of their Jersey. GOING I. Eight or seven fifty nine sixty. Possibly I love I'm with you today I think we've got it. I also saw something picking up heat on twitter over the weekend the idea that. And people are like man. That's GONNA. Be Weird for these players playing in empty gyms. Maybe it's going to be harder for them to shoot with all these wide open spaces, but then it flipped over the weekend, and people were saying think about the idea of a practice player. Somebody who's great when there's not as much pressure, there's not going to be the fan pressure there. Maybe we you know I. Don't know. Overt scored fifty something. This year is a plumlee going to go off in the bubble burst. Time will tell. What happens when Devon Booker gets double teamed the. LTV Here's fancier. Breakfast Caveman. Say, we say something their plumbing plumlee chance this is. No no I don't want. The under on Plumlee. But. I guess I guess you could flip it the other way. The defence is a won't be locked in. It'll be a bit sloppier there. are going to be better than the offenses I only times have we seen fifty six point game this season? How many times? I don't know six. Stall while I, do surveys. couple. couple. To. Put Me Down Bradley beal. Bradley beal. Six fifty five plus so fifty nine or more, we've had four times Lillard in harden, and then hardened at a fifty five, and like he has saying beal fifty five, so it's got to be one of those two guys that's going to be Lillard. I love your reasoning tasks. I'll even give you maybe another reason why that would be tough to attain especially in the seating aims or even in any of the Games to go that many points. I'm still very curious. How these are going to be officiated with no fans. And what I mean by that is maybe they are maybe more things are. Being an uncalled right. There's just a lot more contact. Possibly I have no idea. Maybe it's the opposite, but my gut says it will be that. Because, it's it's it's. Of almost like a pickup game or a practice game, you're not gonNA. Call every damn whistle. UNLESS, you're Phil Jackson trying to send a message to somebody. On the team, so yeah, maybe you can't maybe won't be able to rack up those points at the freezer like though that said, get the free throw line Lee. Maybe they'll. Percentages are higher. But You can't. You can't get a job bordering secaucus because he's not going to be there either. I. Think, it'd be able to go to the replace. Coaches coaches challenges as well for these last regular. Questions! Though retired. A long long runs, you won't be in that replay center so when we get that one shot of them there. 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Top 10 NBA Prospects

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Top 10 NBA Prospects

"Talk a little while he's up there. Yes Camden offense. His offense has been incredible this year. Welcome to another episode of the premium. Podcast on mark. And and you know today. We actually have a pretty exciting that we're going to do. I mean all of our episodes of free fucking exciting but this one we're GONNA be talking about our top prospects and how would find prospects Guys who were twenty three and under that have not yet made an all star team. So we're excluding guys like Jayson. Tatum and Luca Dodge who we will talk about at the end of the but yeah so you WanNa just start off with a couple of honorable mentions so we rank top ten I had like four or five guys that are just outside kind of in their own sphere. Migrating criteria is kind of like a mall about potential. And what they can really. I don't I don't want like a guy who's just going to be a floor razor. Who Ceiling is you know? He's never he never gonNA make an all star game or anything like that. So the guys who just missed the cut for me Got A group that I'll say real quick and you can comment on few of them Jamal Murray I had Lauri Markkanen. Just mix missed the cut Odierno be Marvin Bagley you have on that list. So yes so. I had Jamal. Mary was saying he was like the first guy out for me pretty much and I think that's because I just I don't know I was really hoping that he would take a leap this year. And he I don't WanNa say took a step back but I mean is efficiency declined. His shot wasn't the same. I mean. Granted he was taking really difficult shots for the same time. They need him to be more of a dead. I especially with Gary Harris his his decline as an offensive player I also have I do not have Marvin Bagley I have. I had so I was telling you before I have a list of forty six players And bag even have enough for it. Except he's he's in the list but I don't have them out high up. I gave him the benefit of the toe. Yeah I guess so. I'm like nervous about his health moving forward. Obviously but as the guy who's six hundred eleven that's the least of my concerns with them. Yeah but the problem is like he can't even stay on the court so I can't really like gauge. If there's any progress being made you know like and it's just I mean he's a six eleven dude who can't play the center position because he can't play defense at camp. That was a floor because he can't switch out on the perimeter. Yeah and he can't shoot either so I'm not just trying to shit on him. He's like getting an incredible player in his own right. But it's He's Josh ran with me. Jewish rental two point. Oh Oh man. That's tough that is tough. I have a lot of fossil. Julius randle that aren't positive Annabi I thought about putting my top ten actually just because he's going to be a superstar role player I don't think I can all star team. Maybe he does like. I don't know there were flashes year where he developed a little bit of a post game which was kind of interesting to see. I started like Asserting his body a little bit works. He's he's big. He's like six eight to thirty six nine to thirty And he didn't really show that his rookie year and Sophomore. He wasn't really Like he like growing into your body and learning how to use it and to play strong instead of just looking strong is is massive and he started learning how to do that this year and obviously the defense was great and shooting was really good until Pretty Poor. Stretch but. I'm excited about how he's GonNa keep your one other reason. Why Anna Nobody's even up here Another criteria for me is like can you put this. How many teams can you put this guy on? Wor young men. He somebody could thrive on any. You can sign them into any team and he's just gonNA instantly three indeed perfect three and deepwater. Yep I agree and So another person that you mentioned Lauri Markkanen Obviously just he would have been a top five guy for me if you look at last year like he was really good. Last year showed a ton of growth and this year just man. I really hope that they get a different coach in Chicago. Who knows what the fuck they're doing. So Laurie marketing can maybe get back on track But yet his allies is just shot. His shot is shot. I mean everything is just gone. I don't I don't know what's going on with him. He's kind of in the same group for me as Bagley as in Defensively where five or he can't rim-protector beautiful eight. Four five the so and yeah conferences as big issue right now. We're just his percent physicists. Dropped like crazy and I kind of I. I'm fine. I'm fine with blame that on the head coach. No I think it's it's definitely a scenario where you can I don't like always blaming coaches but You can just tell like I was washing them a ton at the beginning of the year so excited to see how the Bulls will play out Everyone was yeah and you could just tell us. Confidence was totally saft with some of the rotations. Like I remember there was a game where Boylan takes him out of the starting five like forty five seconds into the game and subsequent back in like forty five seconds later it was weird it was one of the weirdest rotations of ever seen It just doesn't make sense but moving off him. One of his teammates Wendel Carter. Junior is somebody. I'm really excited about. He's been injured this year. His shot hasn't been there It really hasn't since he got drafted but he still somebody. I'm super high on I love his defense and he's just a really smart offensive players to really smart player in general Who I think as he continues to grow and learn and improve the game. He's just going to be a really high end guy. Maybe makes an all star team But definitely somebody who makes a couple all defensive teams in my mind. I'd be kind of surprised if he doesn't At least I think that's his ceiling he's going to be a defensive stalwart who just. Kinda glues team together a little bit kind of like if you take Thad young the last couple of years and make him a five. That's how I think when Carter is going to play out with like a little bit more of an offensive game because Thad young as I should have made the all defensive teams the last couple of years. Yes so for some reason even on my list of fifty players I didn't have Wendel Carter. That's because no no no. I just Did you have Kobe just outside? No I didn't really have them on the list. I mean he's on the list but I don't like copious game that much and I think he got really over hyped like to stretch that he had like. He was good in that stretch. Of course it was really good but if you exclude that stretch. He's been just pretty bad this year and most rookie guards are but There's a reason why he's not in my top ten or even my top twenty last guy. I want to talk about before we move in. He's not in like my top twenty or anything but somebody who I'm really really excited about Starchiest Bazeley this was rookie year. He's nineteen that's interesting but go ahead. Yeah army he did not look good to start but he just each month improved immensely to To becoming a really confident player. And what's amazing is obviously I try not to look too much into on-off stats but his defensive on-off numbers this year have been crazy dude like. I'm pulling them up right now His like I was saying the his shot was was gone. He doesn't have three. I can't even say God because he just didn't have it I mean this is offensive numbers not great for all of us a negative fifteen point five points for one hundred which is in the bottom one percentile. But here's the negative six point seven which is in the top nine percent on defense and for somebody WHO's Nineteen years old and still growing into his body growing into his game went from playing no basketball last year. Like just playing high school to moving up into play in the NBA now I'm really excited to see what he does moving forward because he's the guy he kind of Can can work is handled a little bit in his skills grow He somebody who could be really interesting is kind of a Combo forward moving forward so I think those are the guys who just missed the cut and get into the list I'm interested to see who you have at one because I thought there was a clear cut number one obvious but I'll go first here. My number one in his own Tier by himself is a Zion Williamson. Oh Wow okay I don I on is my clear. Cut Number One okay So interesting I So I mean in. My opinion is younger and better than almost every player on this list. granted a super small sample size. What was in nineteen games play but I mean he's already established a floor of putting up twenty three and a half a game on elite officiency and he's been playing thirty minutes a night offensively he. I think he sees this is where I think. We're going to differ. I think he's a good fit on almost any team. No I would agree with that. I mean he's not as he doesn't meet with all. Yeah if you have a stretch five next to him then it's perfect. I think if yells In the right situation native he can play your five. Yeah Yeah See I. I don't know I'm one of the people. I don't think that he should ever play the five. He's just too short. He's not going to be like a rim protector. Maybe like a week side Shop Walker. What if six is just verticality? I mean you're going to be able to have guys finish over you I I don't know I think that he projects is just an awesome for moving forward and he's my second guy I love his game and I think obviously the potential is is there to be one of the best players in the game. But I'm excited. I'm excited to see a full offseason of a proper Diet Yacht. Where he can shed some way? And if you can work with that magic worker. The pelicans shouldn't go yeah. I'm excited to see if he can learn how to run regularly That it's just so weird to watch when I'm not trying to like shit on or whatever It's just weird like it's very odd to see him on the court and moving because he'll be kind of like it almost looks like he's waddling like it's reminiscent of club penguin when he's out there and then and then you just see him jump like five feet into the air and threw it on a lob from from Lonzo from half court Obviously I mean he's just an incredible talent and I think he's GONNA BE INCREDIBLE. Nestle for a long time but I think my biggest reason for not having him at my number one spot is due to health concerns Yeah I just. I think players like him don't profile well in terms of health long-term which so I agree I think How he maybe try to. I don't even think it's changing his body. I think it's more like changing the way that he you plays the game. A little bit Because we see a lot of guys. It's this guy to two kinds of players that have like very similar injury issues Really big forwards have issues like a guy. Like Derrick Coleman. Who was I mean? He obviously got got big time went on but I mean he he was a big dude like six ten to forty guys like Larry Johnson. Guys who are just super reliant on athleticism rental and say reliant but their game built around athleticism a lot of jumping It really can do damage to your to your knees and your hips and Ten is in general so I I don't know it'll be really interesting to see how his body progresses throughout wouldn't necessarily like using that as a way to have to talk about a player but it's something that I'm definitely concerned about because you take a guy like Blake Griffin Like Blake Griffin's first five or six years were Dolly was exactly athlete and he had. He had chains guy with skill where the hand of the junk just laughing ability. Yeah exactly and you think about if he was a guy who Was more focused on becoming that. The guy that he is now instead of being an incredible athlete which I love that version of Blake. But you just feel formula like maybe a feed Worked out of skills a little bit differently but push to work on skills a little bit differently. He he doesn't suffer the same injury faith that he has. Obviously you want a guy to play the way that he grew up playing his best playing but at the same time it it clearly has impacted as long term health So by Oh yes. What was your what were you saying Now I was GONNA say like I haven't wanted his own here but he's definitely not perfect to me on the the biggest question for me right now. Besides his lack of a jumper is when is he gonNa Care on defense and be locked in because he has shown so far in his nineteen games? I showed basically no ability to play. Defense Yeah the bad not even the ability but just the awareness in because we saw it at Duke we saw we could do with big sanitation crazy locks economic so. I'm also concerned a little bit about in a playoff series. Is he going to be like a once? He becomes the best player team and they're in the playoffs. Does he suffer the same effect? Janas had where he just gets walled off and he's going to have to develop some sort of a some sort of inbetween game or three point game so interesting though. He showed more of a post game than he did when he was a duke Yeah I don't know if you remember but there was the game against the rockets and he torched PJ Tucker like Probably like five or six possessions in a row just went down. Took it right to the. Pj in the chest and turn around Hook shot and he did it like three or four times. All one in it was pretty incredible. It was something that we hadn't seen in college I think even just having that because Yanna says really like He still doesn't have like an awesome post game right now and I think. That's like one of the ways to mitigate not having a jumper if you're an awesome driver and you can you can score in the post that's huge because most guys aren't great post offenders vendors and if you can have that as a fallback it's good obviously. It's not something that you want as your primary scoring option because it's normally not gonna be very efficient but If you can have that as a secondary ability it's good or grasso. Who is a guy you had at one guy? I had it to go ahead I actually am doubting. It's the guy who had it to do. I have my number one selection Jaren Jackson. Junior home my Gosh Mytalk Sen That I mean I don't hate it like if he can. Just stop getting in foul trouble. Yes exactly so. That's what I'm looking at. Jaren is not even a year older than Zion. He's like barely barely underneath a year. Older Than Than Than Zion. Spend the League for. This is already his only second year which is kind of crazy The biggest thing is just Bentham development that he's had already And then the development that he could have because he's obviously an incredibly gifted athlete but also he's incredibly skilled like the the journalist his jump shot and grape but what's been amazing and what knocks him into this higher tier for me has been his ability handling the ball Is that only going to help him as a shooter? Because if you can You know just do quick pump. Fake drive what. She's done a ton of this year That just elevates your ability to have your jumper respected and also to have your offense respected in general I mean He's not getting to the foul line at Toner. Anything he other guys to the foul line a ton which Kinda sucks. But I think he's only twenty years old and I think he's GonNa keep growing into that. I think what I hope happens though I would love to see him. Be A guy who ads like ten or fifteen pounds you know and Becomes somebody who can be a little bit more stable on the inside. Because he's a great shot blocker. It's more of him on weakside shop walking in You know something that I talked about a lot. There's a difference between rim protection and and defending the paint. He's more of a rim protector. Like somebody who is a deterrent from guys driving to the rim rather than somebody? Who's going to stop somebody in the paint? Like he's not great at defending post or anything like he's good and active with his hands but He's he's just not strong enough to play against guys like Joel embiid. You know but I mean Jaren is a guy who just use somebody who I didn't even think it was going to be like in all defensive candidate when he came into the League because I didn't know like what you would profile as as an offensive player and a new of Allah defensive candidate. I think that was like he was gonna like I saw like for sure. I mean like not like going to be a defensive player of the year guy because I thought he wasn't gonNA play enough to. I thought his lack of offense was going to keep them off the floor a little bit but his development in that side has just been monumental and this is the guy who I think. can become a top fifteen top ten player in the League at its prime because I bought it. Yeah I mean. It's just the stuff that he has. I think the Zion has more potential overall I don't even know about that. Because yes yeah but it might be. Jaren but floor I mean where do you see what's on is right now? The F. Like nineteen years old stepping in the League putting up twenty five of nine already. Yeah I think yeah I think that Jaren profiles is just about the best young player in the League so yeah in. Kasese like I said I mean the basic. I don't need to hammer home too much more but already the shooting like his. He's got such a walkie shot. But it goes in so I'm never going to critique it Shooting almost forty percent this year on six times per game anti shooting forty percent on catch and shoot. Three's exactly so you can put it on any system in small ball five or four and he's going to be a perfect fit. We I agree like the biggest thing is if he's able to get strong enough to play five because I think long term he can't end up as four Especially with Brandon Clark. There they need him to be able to be five before before they ship out balance UNIS OR WHEREVER. He ends up going So that he can play alongside Brandon Clark But yes I'm ready to move on your next Guy The cat is out of the bag. Jerry Jacks number. One is my second guys ions. We don't need to talk about my second. I'd love to hear the more the more. Think about Janjic So I had him at number five. Wow Okay in the third year Yeah the third tier It's just I don't know how he's got some work to do offensively Not The three ball. He is pretty solid handle where he could face up on the elbow and he's athletic enough to pick on mismatches in the post yet but we'll see how feels out in transition. He's at he's a guy who can go coast to coast so yes. I don't know He. He just fits months out so many teams which is why he definitely is worthy of a top five spot. Yeah he hasn't been good at the rim this year. I'll be honest with that. His room finishing his not been good But that's something that I think will come as he gets. Stronger are so my number. Two Guy I thought about putting him in his own tier but he's actually going to be the next year and that's a shame rant. Would you have? I Have Jim Ryan number three wall. yeah I mean these are high high ceiling player to me. He's already established a good near all star level floor and is younger than most guys on those lists in his already. Better cer as though he's older than both Zairean an Jaren. Okay the design. What is surprising? We have Zayn ones. That is not surprising but yeah he is. He's old and germs as twenty and a half years old already so He's just the room for growth for the sky is his jump shot. Willingness to an ability I think at this point we know. He's not he's never going to be lights out high volume guy but he can find that level where defenders need to give him a little space that opens up his driving and he's so good at driving he's so good at hesitation and the celebration and then just sleeping and he hangs up their longest in the big And he has an elite floater game. It would finishes with either hand in his free will have it in front of me but I know it was near the top sources for the row for rookie God passing and playmaking. He's got one. He eventually got potential. To be one of the League's best passers in the League Lake. Up Top five asser. Yeah all right now. He's at a point one assists per seventy five possessions. Yeah he does GET HIMSELF IN TROUBLE. Psalms driving into the rim where he just doesn't know when or how attack the rim like he's just like oh. I'm going to challenge this Guy Machado. Go over and I'm kind of scared that he's going to get hurt one of these times the way he lands Turnovers are little bit high with him. But that's something that when he learns the game more reason defense better. That'll wiggle down Defensively he's got the size and length to be able to guard most visit. Our most positions ought to guard point guards really well. Yeah but they advanced metrics are now have him as a slight negative on that ended. I'm fine with that. I think that's probably what he's been. Yeah but he's got potential will be slight positive on that end with his athleticism and size. Yeah yeah no I agree and I think my biggest thing for him. He almost reminds me of Of when John Wall came into the league except he's already got better body control than he does. Then he had when he first came in. Because I don't know if you remember when John Wall would just like run out the hoop and he had like no sense of how to decelerate his body. Have that kind of control jaws phenomenal that the other question. I have about him which probably doesn't matter because he's a point guard but if the grizzlies or wherever he ends up get to the championship level what is he when he doesn't have the ball in his hand when he's on the court what's his fit because he's he's outta catch shoot guy. I don't think he'll ever be good catch and shoot player so he's GonNa try to become like an elite cutter. I Dunno it was awful. Hit Fit is definitely questionable but he already has one of the highest usage rates in the league and he's leading Memphis to pretty salt offense of rating so he's my number two almost was in his own tier. Yup yet wait. You said he's your number two. Yeah Oh yeah. He's my number there So who's your Third Guy So my third so this is actually a really big deer. I like three four five six seven in the steer. Okay My number three's Brandon Ingram He's a little older on the end of this. He's twenty two and a half but just this season what happened. The season is ridiculous with the shooting. shooting six point three attempts game at thirty nine percent clip and he's shooting forty two percent on five catches. Shoot through the game. So He's a guy that can fit in on most teams And as a creator. He's on elite but he can he can dribble. He's he's he's really good at taking twos long twos he definitely takes a little too much of his little ranch happy but he hits a matter good enough rate where it's not that bad And as a pick and roll ball. He's all right he's in the sixty th percentile generating. I think it was point. Nine points per possession on those passing. He's a solid passer His only doc or his biggest knock. I'd say his defense He's got the soccer eventually. Be a good help defender. Good weeks rotation guy but on Paul he just needs to fill out the frame and that's going to happen because defense. I think advanced metrics paint them as like a pretty big negative actually. Yeah it hurts because he was actually a pretty good defender with the Lakers last year. but I think. The combination of his usage skyrocketing. So it's kind of hard ineffective. Well I'm carrying the offense so I won't play defense To conserve energy. So I'm not gonNA show on him for that. It's not something that I love but it happens But then also he was playing the four a lot more this year in him at the forest should not be happening with his lack of size. I mean he's obviously a very long guy but You you look at him and you're like if you threw a rock adam he might keel over so maybe a little harsh. But just yeah. No I agree Ingram's phenomenal. I won't even lie. I somehow did not have ingram on here because I thought he made the All Star game which I realized now is completely stupid because I remember we were talking last week and we put on our one of us put him on our all. Nba team. I had him as a consideration. I consider them for all as well so I totally blink my mind. I would fly him in the same spot. But I'm GONNA concurrently with the rest of my guys 'cause I only because when I said Brandon Ingram. I've got no reaction how to use the curls. I was like I don't have him. I hear what are you talking about? No that makes sense though I would. I would agree. I would put him under John Zion and triple as well Yeah it'll be interesting to see how things work I try not to look at things. So much is in winning. I think that winning Gabby overrated sometimes as a metric What he was not I mean his own offense was efficient but the the pelicans offenses a whole wasn't exactly great You're talking about storylines. We got robbed. A of and that was one that was Reagan in for it Ingram and housing fit together. I totally agree. So why is your fourth guy? I've Regal Giselle Alexander in the center. Yeah I think just his all around skill profile I think he's a guy who's not necessarily going to be the best anything except for maybe rim finishing. I think that he's a guy who has the potential become an amazing at room finisher He's already shown to some real good ability there Especially in terms of like. He's just so silky smooth when he gets to the RIM. He's all area. It's all good very similar to job. Iran he just hangs in the air. It's he doesn't like trying to elevate over you like job but he just has can finish with either has he has a good floater. And he's just he's slippery he's like yeah just wiggles Spots Blackley to speak on that finishing ability. It's not all I'm looking right now. The Rim furnishings in great. But it's also because he's categorizes will win some just putting that out there. Yeah Yeah No. That's what I was GONNA say Cleaning the glass has them as a wings. Oh by the way cleaning the glass. Great website to get your Info from. That's where I'm getting a hundred percent. Let's go find my stats from. I just wanted to say but in case they WANNA say oh. You're getting our numbers like I'm just saying all the stats. I basically say are from cleaning the Glass. I do the same as well and do stuff from MBA STATS DOT COM army MBA dot com slash stats as well as basketball reference but cleaning glasses the best aggregate. 'cause cheap to yeah it is pretty cheap and it's definitely worth it but my biggest thing was. I think A. He's a plus defender yard. He has a plus defender. He hasn't been as good of a defender. Okay so you this year as I thought it was going to be But he has taken alive offensive load and it's been hard because he's been guarding threes. Most of the time whenever they have crunch time line about there he is the one guarding threes And applaud him for that and his mid range shooting has been crazy. Good which is something that helps you be a star level player if you can hit those shots. And he's taken three hundred sixty eight mid range shos here which is kind of insane to think about a fucked on you. Have that clear glass. Yes how much is a short mid verse Longman though Two hundred fifty two short mid to one hundred sixteen long mid okay. So it's not as he's not taking too many long. Yes I appreciate these. Nothing long twos taking those lake. Kind of like C. P. Three ten to sixteen footers is three. Oh Okay I'll take I'll saying long mid unless you'RE C. P. Three shouldn't be taken. Yeah no I agree. His three has been pre averaged this year Which is I don't want to say it's concerning But you definitely want to see it a little bit better. He shot her in recent lecture and just hasn't been the same this year his form is Yet Zealand. Unorthodox on a guy like little hitch in it. Yes oh I had shane this tier as well. the only reason. I don't put him higher. Is If these off ball fits pretty questionable to me Generally I see I like his off ball better than most of the guys we just talked about as a as a what does a cutter. Because he's catching shoot. He's he's actually shooting forty one percent catch shoot. But it's like one point to a game So it's pretty small sample I don't know where do you see him off ball? I think he already does cut pretty. Well yeah I believe I think that he will develop a new good catch and shoot guy like you mentioned already does a pretty reasonable rate just not high volume I don't know I just think that he has a really good all round skill set and he's he's not somebody that I'm really the. I have less questions about Shea than anybody else. I think. That's the way that I'd put it. I think he's already gotTA. His floors really got upset her. I don't have people. I just don't have a really high ceiling form. He's he's I dunno on offense. I think he's best services ball handler but his he has one hundred fifteen offensive rating. And that's because he plays sixty five percent minutes with C. P. Three in the minutes with Elsie P. Three two hundred eleven which is league average. So it's fine but on a championship level team. I don't think he can be your primary. He's GonNa have to be lumpy in my mind as you're ball handler. And his passing. He's he's all right passer but he's definitely got room for growth there. Yeah I think I think that just speaks to like how volume ceiling value ceiling a little bit more. I agree Who Do have at number number five? So it's all tier so it's kind of all interchangeable I had this guy number four and that's Someone who you wouldn't think is still eligible for this. But he's twenty three and a half years old. Didn't make the All Star game this year and that's Jaylen Brown. I have him as well. Okay yeah so this season I mean he took a giant leap. The season Endure all star Logos for here in the League and One of the reasons I have them up here. He's he's a really good off. Ball fit for most teams He can be like a third creator. I think on the championship team. But he's not best served as a ball handler as a picket role guy at all his shooting forty two percent on four catch shoot. Three's the game that's really good. Yeah he's been assistant. Fifty nine percents was made basket. So He's a really good guy you can give them curls at the elbow where he can make simple. Decisions on reads is a really good cutter off ball and transition. I mean he can go coast to coast and finish over anybody so the bad about him is Just on defense. He's great on. I think he's a really good on ball guy to really switchable guy with his length. Aunts is like I think we talked about it in the all. Defensive pod The way he guarded Davis was really good. Mike concernable him on defense is he just has mental lapses at times and really gets beat back door or he doesn't rotate well enough on a pick and roll cover. She messes up. And I've seen for some reason. Marcus Smart Jalen Brown. I think kids because he sees the potential in him. He's always Chirpin Jaylen Brown about like missing rotation or something like that like me on the court. He'll just start at Yeldham. Which I think is a good thing. Because he's one of the League's best defenders sees you like. Oh you have this potential. Yes that's why haven't before he can be really effective two way player. That doesn't need the ball. Yeah no I agree. I think I it's hard to say anything new without echoing. Some of the stuff you said. I think yeah I agree. He's the guy who maybe even makes it as a second. Best Player in shaping should team I think it's cool. Because he's a guy who's already figured out his role he's like all right. I know I'm not amazing with the ball in my hands. My best ability is to feed off. What other people are doing and being amazing defender? He's kind of like what I think. Paul George has morphed into just at a much younger age. Obviously not the same level yet. And definitely not the same kind of handle and playmaking billy But his defense right now in strength yard has already stronger player than PG's Which is huge Yeah I love his ability and I never going to say anything bad about Jaylen Brown so I totally agree with you on that as a celtics fan I appreciate it. Yeah I actually have a anything bad about miles turner. Yeah me either. I wish I could have put him on this list. But he turned We're about a month ago. So Yeah But yes so Jaylen Brown is actually my number seven Guy My Number Five Guy John Collins. I don't know where you have him at He was actually my honourable mentions. Oh Wow I didn't bring him up yet he having Thompson from so I have John Collins here because I think he's gotten better on defense I- questions about him coming years whether or not he would end up as a four and think. Atlanta agrees with me He is going to project as a long-term for for them. I think they will offer him a near Max deal to keep him there and play the four. He is continued to stretch the floor at an amazing rate shooting close to forty percent this year. Obviously the peds suspension was not great bad. Look John but at the same time while he's been on the court that's going to judge him for Like he's been just remarkable out there and he's like I said his defense hasn't been great but has gotten better. I think he showed more ability to hang on the perimeter a little bit And that's where it all lives for me. Yeah if you can stay out on the four as on the floor as a four guy rhyming heart if you can if you can stay as a four. I think he's I think he's a senator. He's just a lot of his ability is going to be. I don't WANNA say negated. But like he'll be a why ability defensively at the five so. I think if you just the same. Oh Yeah Well I think. Yeah if he's able to stay on as a four and I'm I'm really psyched about him. It'll be interesting to see how he plays alongside Clint Capella. But you know I think something that Atlantic did by bringing in Dwayne deadman at the end of the what we got of the regular season and having play next to next John Collins was good because we saw him use US roll man as well so John was getting more acclimated to playing the four because he he's played the the four a lot this year but in crunch time he'd be playing the five alight with hunter playing the four most often. So I think there's a lot to be excited but I don't think he's ever going to be like The best like power forward in the game or anything But he's got enough skills and ability that I'm really excited about him because he's a very good rimmed rim defender. He's good at attacking matches I just I have a lot of good things to say about them and not too many question marks on them. Yeah so I mean you kind of made me reevaluate a little bit there of I think it just projects for me of where he's GonNa end up whereas long-term fit. That's it's not a five. I don't think before I think I need to see a little bit more of him. Being able to hang with the guys out there which he definitely has athleticism zoo. Oh yeah he's weird because he and I'm also afraid he's like this defensive lure he's starting to show effort. It's kind of. Oh I WANNA get paid. I'm GonNa get this Max and then I'm not gonNA care again. I hope it's not from everything that I know about him. He's not that kind of guy. actually there was a really good interview he did on. I think it was the Welsh pod. he seems like a really humble guy who's trying to make it. I hope he does low off ball to yes exactly. He's got a low usage rate. He's just comfortable being really good. Roll Man. He's one of the Best Roman. The league's improved every year. A shooting seventy five percent at the rim this year on three hundred and fourteen shots which is incredible of ridiculously. Good Roll Man. Perfect Guide have longside TRAE. These also forty three percent On catch shoot. Three's share a three on three point. Three game yeah. Exactly really good. And he was on pace the smash how many threes taken last year so in sixty one games last year. He took one hundred fifty. Four threes made thirty six percent. This year shot one hundred forty four and made forty percent of them and the most awesome part is Ben. He shot really well nine corner threes which he struggled with last year and he shot forty percent from non corner threes. This year just huge. So so what? I'm pulling up real quotes that I'm really interested. Even though that it's been a small sample sizes trae young and Hunters like On off numbers together their offensive rating the Andrea. Hunter none trae young and John. Okay here Okay so ever here. So I mean Slab one hundred twelve offensive rating which is pretty good. It's like top. It's a little above average so that's good considering who's around them. That's pretty good all right so I might slide him up. I WANNA expand my two year. Yeah not steer with my next year I come on throw at number eleven but yeah okay all right. Slow as you're next go. Yeah so my next guy at number six the Aaron Fox. He's taking a little bit of a step backwards with his shot. This year But at the same time I think he's just such a like I don't know we went from having like an era of like a ton of really awesome point guards to kind of being bereft of really good point guards And I think that because you remember like before the huge analytics wave happened. You had all these young up and coming point guards and a lot of them have kind of fallen by the wayside due to the application of advanced ask which obviously has been for the better But I think the earned. Fox's kind of the next I don't want to say great point guard put. He has just a really awesome. Skill set. his shooting ability is what brings them down for me. I think that it will come back But he he just kind of doesn't benefit from the fact that he was on a not very good Sacramento Kings team and he was injured for a lot of the year. Get his jump. Shot really slipped this season. He's down to thirty percent on threes. Yeah on. He doesn't take too many. I don't have the number in front of me. I guess it's probably to a game that has rate two and a half two and a half. I have on the side because of his ceiling. I just think fruitfully could be ridiculous. If you've ever even gets the league average show three point shot and also because it all works at defensively already. He's a very good guard. Yeah I wanNA see very good. But he's he's will for his age for a twenty two year old guard the with this elite speed and quickness. He is quick. Hand Stu and he's always flying around the court traffic place. Yeah he's really excited about the about concerned with him as well as like it was for. Cia is off ball. What's his off. Ball is weird but at the same time I'm less concerned about it. Because they have body Bogdon as their two point guard so who cares off balls but no I. I understand what you're saying to it. But if he add like different Counterparts at the two and three I would be more concerned about it. But especially 'cause body heals like just about the best not best but he's a top five off ball to guard in the League He he also really needs to develop about willingness and ability to go right and finish with his right hand. Yeah all his drives are. He's going left all the time and he takes a lot of mid-range pull ups in it doesn't shoot them while Yeah he's the guy who you'd like to see get to the rim a little bit more but I think that's something that'll come with time all right so I had them at five because I think you had your Jackson ahead gestion at six. Yeah had jobs one Soviet. Darren Fox's break now okay I didn't read. It was all in one tier close but this is the my next year is a guy actually helix said it's awkward. I know you are too That's the all world defender and Josh Potentially Defensive Player of the year this year. If you didn't get hurt. I don't think he would've but dude I think. Honestly if so you like this if you take Jonathan Isaac and you put them on the box. He would have defensive player of the year like I think it's that simple accused that good surrounded by pretty good defensive players there. He's thrown by decent defensive players. Aaron Ward and the only other really good high end defensive player on that starting five. Vuckovich is pretty as a defensive five Markelle full was not a good defender this year for his good of a decent offensive players. He was and who the hell even as they're starting to guard. It's not terrence Ross. 'cause he comes off the bench for new. Yeah exactly so considering Everybody that was there. I mean I think we saw a lot of y Jonathan. Isaac was so good because of him missing this year Their defense was not as good down. The stretch I think just Jonathan Isaac Wingspan like his wingspan and his ability to use. It is crazy like he. Correct me if I'm wrong. But for me he reminds me a lot of like Prime Utah. Jazz Andrei Kirilenko as just do everything on defense like he obviously needs to get stronger and I think that'll help him with being healthy because he is not had good health and that's why have them down so low If he had been healthy. This year I would have had them in my top five. Probably Yeah So we I mean we all know how good he is on. Defense authentications bad. That's whereas potential Elisa. What's he gonNa be on offense and whereas is going to be right now? He's basically the only time the ball touches his animals a catch and shoot three or in transition. He's actually pretty solid ball He's only shooting thirty three percent I think it was catching shoot. Threes or just threes in general. Yeah which and he's only sixty two percent the rim for someone his size but also at the same time he shouldn't be categorizes a big because he played the three most of the time when he was in. Yeah but off. Okay offense we also but yeah. It's ten it's tough. It's tough because I mean Aaron Gordon is like is their best offensive player. Pretty much with the ball in his hands like can't create for himself For A I don't know like it's just so tough to like understand offense because who like the guys around him like Dj scenes their best playmaker. They also never use them as a screener pick and rolls off and it's had success but they do it less than once a game which I WANNA see that up. Pretty good law. I think the way that he develops as an offensive player as he becomes a pick and pop guy on a pick and roll guy like he just becomes an awesome screener. Awesome in pick and pop. I think that's that's where it comes from. Because he's not going to be like some awesome dude with the ball in his hands But yeah the way that you developed his games definitely GonNa be through that and then he can start attacking mismatches off that as well And let's see if he can punish switches on a in the post where he hasn't been able to so exactly even limited temps I had I had Jonathan Isaac all the way down to number ten for me. Okay I mean yeah he's already He's already almost twenty three. So Yeah All right so who's your next car so I have at number eight. I don't know if you have them in your tops in but at number eighty eight and He's my ten. He's your ten the pod over. Yeah I that was where I had my debates you. I thought about putting Marie and instead of the Audrey but then I remembered washing eight and this year and he's actually been really good Okay I shouldn't say really good but he's been pretty good. It's been better defensively so much better. Last year he was one of the probably about the worst defensive five in the League At least if you if you put on a category worst offensive five over seven feet tall it was the audrey in for sure but I mean he shooting pretty decently like he shoots a ton amid rangers which I don't love Like Zach tickets shots outside of sixteen feet. Yes thirty three percent on. That is really hurting. His official not He he likes facing up a lot more than doing anything in the post. Which is Kinda Weird for somebody? Who's seven foot one He's a guy I'd like to see attack the rim a little bit more. These really comfortable just like kind of like MP did this series really comfortable Facing off and just taking them not taking and he can make them in a decent enough rate but at the same time. It's like if you can get in and punish at the RIM and get free throws that's where you're gonNA make money but I think the biggest thing for him is just I wasn't sure where he was going to end up as a defensive player. And he's been very good on defenses. You're compared to where we could turn into a good defender that just changes not even good like even above average if easily change us much. Yeah definitely 'cause offensively he's really good In the post he doesn't have a lot of moves but he has a right hook and he's seven foot one where it's on block -able but yeah I think. His deep defense was arrested and centralize. How good of a room protectors you'RE GONNA BE? Last season was a fricken. Mass defensively Dow Guy Season. He picked it up at a lot to me. It's clearly an effort thing for him. The family I was watching Some of his clips the other day and I saw these moments where he would he would he just looks so into on defense users like his head was on a swivel going back and forth and just ready to pounce which. I want to see from him. Yes if you can be that like he can be one of the best centers in the League. We got he's a guy who honestly like I watching him this year. I'm not saying that I would take him over Luca but there were just flashes this year. I'm like okay I get it. I get why he went number one overall. I still would have taken Luca. You would've liked to take Luca but you understand his fit next to Devon Booker He's definitely going to be at twenty ten guy if he develops right and it's not number one. I thought it was just under He might be. He's like eighteen or nineteen points or something like that. I don't I don't think it was quite twenty ten but point being If if he continues on this trend in developing this way I think that he becomes. I don't want to say I don't WanNa keep coughing and Joel B. But he was very similar in his his engagement on defense is so important because he can be a good defender. He's got all the physical tools to be really good at it And level that embiid is. I don't want to like that. But he's got more often than than beat. I think I guess more offensive skill AIDS Ever GonNa develop a three though. Yeah it doesn't take threes ever. So yeah that's something 'cause I remember. He took a lot of them when he was coming into the draft and he wasn't great at it and he just never really attempted any. And that's something. I'm fine with them. Like you know if you're if you're not good at taking a shot don't take it. I'm one of the weird people who think tomorrow's and his fine for not taking threes Because he's not a good three point shooter. So why do I want the Marta rose and taking threes People will fight me on that. I'm sure but That's that's just I think it's because if he started taking them he might actually get good at it. Yeah but the one thing that it's Kamar Hook like over one hundred. He shot like thirty one. Percents not good. I'd rather have the Margot and take some mid Rangers where he hits fifty percent where he's remarkable at instead of shooting a bunch of threes that he's not gonna hit and he's not confident in because then the playoffs come along and this is the prospects episode when I know I. I'm working on article about the Marta. Rose and I'm sorry Ari so who's relax next year. Oh actually I think I don't know last guy is Alaska was eight. And Oh yeah well my number nine save number not gather Michael Porter Jr. Michael Porter Jr. has been a revelation for Denver and they choose not to realize that sometimes they have all see. It's not. It's not as much on on coaching as anything. It's because roster. Yeah they have a really good roster. It's hard to find time for a young guy who is not good defensively yet. He's been better defensively than I thought he'd be because he's good at using his size but at the same time you still not good defensively. He's not at all. Yeah and he's not quick enough to guard threes and he's too slim to guard most fours Bu- he's up there. Yes rambling offense. His offense has been incredible this year. So yes like he his. He's just like a guy who you watch him and it's it's it's different because I think this is. What nate nitrate do we try and really merge the eye test and which I hate saying it makes me sound like seventies basketball coach? Who rant about shit today but like you merge the analytics and the test and you just watch them play and there were stretches where he just took over. Games for Denver this year. And that's a skill that you can't teach like you have to have the ability to just know. Okay I have my shock going. I'm going to take over the game and he did that quite a few times this year. And that's just really promising Because most guys aren't ever going to have that and I. It's not irrational confidence thing. Because he shot incredibly well from three forty three percent on ninety this year. Ninety one shot pretty well at the rim. Considering he's a young guy I mean he shot sixty four percent at the rim which is good. It's not like amazing and he doesn't take a ton of mid Rangers so that's something that I'm you know that's promising. He's only taking sixty five mid-range shots all year and I don't know I mean I think he's shown some interesting ball handling like he can definitely handle the ball. He's not an amazing playmaker. But that's something that I think will continue to grow And he stayed healthy this year which was good to see Or Go yes knock on wood for shirk. Why have him so love? You know if you got minutes and was health healthy and stays healthy that. At the reason I have a seven point per game score up His seal on offense is so it's it could be so good. He's six foot ten with handle a jump shot that you can't block and he can Geldof whenever the hell. He ended so much than when he was at Missouri. I mean I've Seen Liam Missouri for like a very very short time but his jump shot. Missouri didn't look good He struggled with it and he just looks oh good now lake there were just so I would watch Denver routinely wash play these also he he can also work off ball as a catch and shoot. I don't I have the numbers for me but I think he was a forty percent on catch shoot threes and Latte Lakesha late shot clock skew. The Michael Give Him in a Michael. Let him do GYP pull up. He's going to get a shot that he can hit forty five percent of the time anyways He could definitely turned into a cutter his size and athleticism. He's been really good in transition this year. Too I liked him. Jay Z can go coast goes. Yeah he goes out his lane Passing he's not a great passer He's not a picking player at all. I only think I think he's like three pick. Kumble plays all year. He he doesn't want to take him. I'm fine with him. Not Having picking rules now now that's not as fit But one day I mean he could be a top five score in the League which is why he's up here. It's me and putting up twenty six game. We have in tough. I get a lot of jazz. Fans were pissed with Mike Malone because he wasn't playing La and I get it there was a stragglers is from then wait. What'd I say? He's a jazz? Oh I'm just used to jazz fans being pissed about things so So yeah he had a stretch from just after. The New Year started so it was January. Twelfth to the end of January. Was Ten games shot. Forty eight percent from four fifty one percent from three out of four game points fifteen nine into when Paul yeah and it was only playing twenty five minutes a game playing like that And she's just showing in stretches. Why can be so good and I think that's really all we need to mention about Michael Porter. I don't think there's anything else who can add to that. But he's just tatchell potential potential. This kid exactly and I think he was just a massive get for for for Denver that he dropped them the way that he did And I think it was great that they took a flyer on. Because it's working out so far but it'll just be a I don't know Denver as a really good roster but they have a lot of really tough decisions to make because Paul millsap contract's up at the end of this year. He's been really important to them. But Jeremy Grant has been really good off the bench and should be a starter somewhere in the league and he will get paid like a starter so It'll be tough to see what they do with that because then if the signed Jeremy Grant long-term what do they do with Michael Porter. Jr. It'll be tough if they lose German grant and then they're going to start them all Mary. Michael Porter an Yokich Catches. Yokich is a better defender than he'll get credit for but at the same time you need a guy who has some kind of you know rim protection ability next Yokich because Yoga's going to offer no deterrence at the rim. That's why MILLSAP has been perfect with exactly. You don't even need a great shop locker but just somebody who's a presence in the paint that can be a little bit of a of a deterrent there and it's not going to be empty Jay. So yeah so you want to get through the guys that made the All Star game that warrant eligible just just kind of show where they would slide in I think we will both have Luca number one. Yeah Luca would easily be number one Trae young where would you have I would still have him. I would probably put him at Lake Swap Him with Jami rant. I think that's where I think I would put him after Zaylon. Yeah exactly that. Put Him after Jaren Jacksonians ion personally okay Jason Tatum were I'd put him. I put them in the Brown Ingram's here probably above them in the same year. I would actually put him above. Trae young Oh okay. I will take Jason Tatum. Overture Young Where would you put Bam Ooh? Good question Man See I haven't irrational love of Bam just because of everything that goes address at a bio my guy shifts I think man decides investment tier. I would put I like replace John Collins with him. He's not going to stretch the floor but what he does on the defensive end as well as a running sets for for Miami I think is huge like He's a really good initiator on offense and He's good at asserting himself when he has a good opportunity to and he doesn't take them shots so I I like family. I think is ceiling. Obviously isn't as high as some some other guys but he's the guy who projects is having in a very good for a long time all right To more guys Devon Booker Devon Booker See that's a good question. Would you take Devon Booker? Trae young because I think I would take. I would take Devon Booker. Wow is that hockey. I don't think it's heartache heartache. Just can't decide yes because for me it just comes down to trae young yes. He's an amazing offense of talent. I think he's one of the best ten offensive talents in the league already but at the same time He's like take Steve Nash. And he's like twice as bad on defense so no I don't at least has a size. Where yes Devon Booker? Showed us her on any of the year when he was he too? Devon Booker Credit. He has tried. This year's defense just hasn't been good and I think Devon Booker just projects is a guy who can at least be an average to slightly subpar defender So I think I'd still take trae young though really see. I don't know I can't I can't get over. How bad defenses? Because we haven't seen a playoff series yet. Obviously I also want to see him surrounded by half decent defensive players. I agree but at the same time. Like he's GonNa get abused. Not ON THEY'RE GONNA get switches on him. I I hear all right. So where would you have Sa- bonus So bonus because the all star Game See. That's a good question I will probably have them. I don't love his potential his four. I think he would he already. I like his potential. I think that he actually does have to grow because he's made some. This is partially because I wash every single Indiana game but I think he does have another level it depends on what happens with his shooting He can't shoot threes man exactly yes. E videos e forms nice the forms air. Yes so it's weird. I've talked about it a lot on On the indie corn rows pod as well as writing on it I think he's a guy who Can potentially take threes. He's taken more this year than he had previously but at the same time. He's very hesitant to do it. Which is not good. You can't have any hesitant and be a good shooter. Just doesn't work that way. It's almost you. It looks like Pascal. Siachen did in the playoffs last year. In terms of shooting threes allow. He's taken I didn't know he's averaging over one game. Yeah and it has not been a decent from the corners but he doesn't take corner threes. He always takes them at the top of the break because he runs a ton of D. H. O. With Malcolm Brogdon up there His the Brogden bonus the does one of the best place in basketball currently but yet he he been great as a rim finisher either this year because he's not abusing guys off the bench anymore. I don't know I think I mean that's what he did last year. Shot set ours He's still been good I mean he gets fouled a decent amount But yeah it'll it'll be interesting to see how involves that if not I would probably put him around the Andrea and level. Much better than people give him credit for. He's not very nine. Yeah these are good. Paint defender does not a rim-protector like strong ten guys in the paint. You know one guy who I am not surprised. He's on your list because I don't think he deserves to be but I'm surprised you bring them up in the honorable. Mentions because of the run. He went on when he left Denver. That's move week Beasley. I thought about it but at the same time I just I'd rather have Jonathan Isaac Than Week Beasley. Frankly oh yeah but no he. He's somebody I actually forgot to mention my honorable mention. It's on my list He's definitely really good. Somebody who won last guy. Who's honorable mention that? I have to mention Taryn Davis. I think I don't know what you think about him. He's really young. He's twenty two. I believe and he's shown a lot with the ball hands. You're an as a catch and shoot guy these bene- plus defender I don't know if he has the potential to be some incredible incredible player but maybe becomes like a Wesley Matthews type guy with more creation ability. You know F- which isn't just a shouts a Toronto. What they do they unders find his as a contribute and show potential. Exactly okay yes. I think that's going to wrap it up for top prospects Will more time. I'll go through Monroe quick zone at one in his own tier Then John Marantz Brandon. Ingram Jaylen Brown Shakeel just jaren Jackson Junior. Andy an Fox big tier And then I finish it off with Jonathan Isaac. Dra In an Michael Puerta Junior. And then I had a head Jaren Jackson Junior One Zion to Jami rant. Three Alexander Four John Collins five th year and Fox six Jalen Brown seven and eight Michael Porter Jr. Nine and Jonathan Isaac Ten and I accidentally left Brannon Ingram off my list So that his bend the premium. Who's podcast please? Rate Review and subscribe on Apple podcasts. leave us. Nice comment nice feedback less. Know what you think. Any questions comments feedback. You have would be especially appreciated. You can find us on twitter at 'em Schindler Mba and a solemn he's crazy. I am not crazy. Jared Jared J. J. No deserves to be number one man. He deserves to be number one anyway. Thanks for listening guys and wait. I forgot one thing. Kevin Knox is my bottom forty six prospect important to remember. He's been bad have gone guys.

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The Drop - A Jazz Is Born

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The Drop - A Jazz Is Born

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If you want to get in touch with the show, you can't a number of ways Email us the starters at NBA dot com. Follow us on Twitter and or Instagram at the starters or check us out on Facebook at Facebook dot com slash the starters. I guess it's official. We're now in Facebook. Okay. We got your classics. We got your tweet of the week. We got your worst to the week nominees. We're gonna fire the pun gun. We've got a complaint at area that may or may not have to do with lady Gaga you've been playing. A lot of lady Gaga you're in the in the studio before we started. I don't know. Maybe that's a part of it and been doing some deep analysis. Okay. Great. And we'll add what some rapid fire fun. But we had jump around a little bit here on Friday. Good games on Thursday night. A lot of games on Thursday night. Had a ton of games. It feels like I guess that happens after the all star break or it's like have these massive like nine ten game nights on the schedule. But loving it own ass you with the double. Header on TNT on Thursday night to quality wins from the Sixers over the thunder one eight one four and then we have the jazz beating the nuggets in the nightcap game one eleven zero four of those two games. What was the more? Impressive win to you was it. The Sixers beat in the thunder because that's been a long time since they've done that or they've never done it in Casey, right? Or was it the jazz beating the nuggets without a point guard and be both good winds from some solid teams here for these teams in the mix are obviously some of the better teams in the league. What do you got all the jazz for me? It's good to see them getting back to jazzy basketball being tough getting to be that team that they were last year in the postseason when they knocked off the Los Angeles Clippers although they sort of disappointed, you know, the first half of the season. A lot of people expected them to be number two or number three in the western feeding the thunder. Yeah. Yeah. Last year. Yes. Yes. Being the thunder clippers. Well, let's two years ago is not. Yeah. That was went down in the first well flying backwards. Well, Joe Johnson transform twilight zone there for the jazz. Are don't look having looked like that team that beat the thunder last year quite yet? But when you see Rudy Gobert shutting down Nikolay oak, choose a really tough match-up for Yokich. He's only averaged twelve points per game against the jazz in his career at some ugly stuff. The jazz Ken knock someone off. I know is kind of a special night to see guys knocking down threes that don't usually do that Mitchell. Taba Cephalonia and Kyle Korver who does but doesn't usually knock down six threes. I think they can knock somebody off. They're starting to look like that team again that that did knock off who was it last year the founder or the clippers. They are looking like that team. And I do want to see Cal Korver. Get another shot in the postseason. Try Zing someone from the three point land. And that was the second. Gave a back toback playing in Denver never an easy place to go and play in the nuggets are amazing at home. And again, it was any point guards. No Rubio, no Netto, obviously, no XM. It was digging. Joe Joji joined the Mitchell as your defacto point guards in this game. I thought he last night. I thought he can be a playmaker when he needs to be and he can play off the ball when he when when Donovan Mitchell easing control like that. And oh, you saw them in pick and roll, no problem. He found Kobe several times wrought on the money with that pasta. And defensively. I think people don't think he's a good defender. He's a pretty Taty defend he rarely gets beaten. He rarely gets destroyed. But I just thought the thing that stood out to me last night. I don't think this season we've seen the nuggets offense in Denver. Look, so disjointed didn't really seem to have that flow that you normally say it have and they go back into it light. But the jazz fun. But that to me was what was interesting that. Maybe it's go bear on Yokich that you know, so much of their offense revolves around him, and he was out of sorts. Night and that same to the nuggets didn't seem to have that secondary plan or plan b against the jazz. So that's really what that's a huge win. I think for Utah because we kind of assume they're in even though the not so to get a big win like that in Denver as you mentioned on back to back is very impressive. I actually thought yoga was terrible last night. He was basically nonexistent like his line ended up being. Okay. But he was just really out of it. And I thought something you've got to want to trial away for the playoffs because I mean Donovan Mitchell Joe Ingles. Yeah. They're good in pick and roll. But they're not the best picket role players in the league. And we've seen time and time again a big slow center in the playoffs. They're just going to go at them all the time. And that's what was happening last night. The jazz were putting Yokich independent role in every time. And he's just kind of hanging back. Sometimes he would step a little bit too close. And then it was a dunk for Rudy Gobert sometimes he would hang back a little too far. Then it was a corner. Three the jazz got up forty three three point attempts. They don't take that many that often ten for Korver mostly wide open. I would be a little nervous. If I was nuts fancy in that game. Just seeing how bad Yokich can look defensively because if they end up against a pick and roll team in the playoffs that could be bad news bears. Yeah. And a couple of those baskets late from Mitchell. They were putting they were getting Yokich. Oh, yeah. In that pick and roll because they know gets put up a fight. They did get back into the game. It was like a three point game right down the stretch. But Mitchell scored three really clutch, baskets and two of them definitely were involving yolk at sort of blowing by them to some extent. And then one was a little step back. Create some space knocked down the jumper. But no, you're right. Definitely something to watch. At least like they got down at least put up a fight. I think they're gonna be happy with that. Because Yokich was garbage and just like his body language was awed too. I thought it was just frustrated with Gobert and favors playing well on them. Or what was he buddy language is kind of a little bit? Like that in a loss. It stands out. Maybe. Yeah. You know, Utah's. Not a good match for him on both ends. That's just the way. It is. There Denver's won and two against Utah this year despite Utah, not being the best version of themselves. Quite yet. You talking knock them off in the postseason. But it's unlikely that they would face off. I I would guess rice point, right? One of the things back to jingles for a second, man. And I know Reggie talked about it on the broadcast. He talks so much trash. It is. Yeah. It's it's in a way. It's refreshing. It takes you back a little bit more to like your nineties basketball where it felt like more guys or barking morning because he's like he's turning around to the crowd. It feels like every game. If he's on the road to say something because someone's obviously yelling at him while he's shooting it or. He's got the ball. I think he's an easy target. That's it. I think people think like this doesn't look like a play like he's not that athletic. He's not that quick. He kind of looked scruffy. But he goes it there and he can really play. Yeah. And and then he'll let you know he loves to. Yeah. I mean last year remember human Paul, George that was a big reason, I think he kind of got into Georgia's head. And now he's carried out he's he's blowing kisses to the crowd. Remember who that was against? But yeah, he loves it. He loves that sort of that battle with the crowd and the opponent. He winked last night to the crowd all the facial expressions. Yeah. It's it is a throwback to the nineties when there are more white wings. Read you say like man, we would have hated each. We would have talked so much junk to each other. If we played each other. But then he kept adding in, but I wouldn't love to have him on Matija. As for the Sixers win. I mean again, there was no Paul George thunder. But no one bead for the Sixers. So I mean sort of cancels each other out to some extent Tobias Harris dole thirty two points. Got a lot of shots up for the you know, the most shots he's taken at least in a Sixers uniform eleven in nineteen and again, you said that was their first win against Oklahoma City since two thousand eight since Elton brand who's the GM was the center on that team a long long time ago nineteen game losing streak, but they got the win in a in a game where it was fun though. It would mean we saw Ben Simmons just sagging off Russell Westbrook and saying all right? Go ahead. You got me. Yeah. Yeah. How do you deal with it telling me? I don't know this kind of a funny team 'cause Embiid to me clearly their best player. He's got to get post touches. But then you see a game like last night where they're running the court quite a bit. They're getting a lot of back cuts from Jimmy Butler Tobias Harris is kind of trailing on the fast break and catching the ball at the top of the key driving a hoop hitting a three something like that. You see it? And you're like man, maybe you should be a fast break team the place fast all the time because that's going to be Ben Simmons best form whenever he plays on a team that has just plan fast. All the time. But then when Embiid is there, you gotta get him the ball in the post, you gotta slow things down. He's a huge guy. He draws a ton of files he's super efficient. But I don't know there's gotta be a way for them to balance their sort of perimeter oriented attack with their Embiid attack at just kind of tough to fit them all in together. But last night seeing Ben Simmons have a usage rate like sixteen percent or something like that. But he's still assisted on almost forty percent of the buckets on the court when he was out there that was an impressive performance. I that was a fun game to watch for the Sixers. Yeah. Last year when Embiid went down just before the playoff Simmons carried them. And then they win sixteenth street or something like that. Yeah. I can't remember exactly what it was. But Simmons can can take over the controls of that team it and tries mentioning it's because it's like, maybe not the best fit for each other. But you obviously not going to make a move yet on that you give him a chance in the playoffs. But on the other side of the coin, I don't think the thunder any chance with apple George, right? I don't think they Westbrook can take that team very far. I think their first round fought without Paul George. So last night. I mean, they didn't get blown out by any means. But it didn't really feel like they were in control. Ben Simmons in the sixes. We're in control of that game. And and that's how I feel about Westbrook. Is he Poges that team? And if he's not there than their their season is very grim. I think with Paul George they can push the worries they can challenge the worries but without him. That'd be that'd be. Luckily, we'd more than one or two games in the first round. Yeah. Inequality went for the Sixers in terms of like the east standings to write the Pacers. Another win last night. They will refuse to die holding onto that third seat. Sixers get the win. And so they remain just a half game back of trying to get to that thirteen. No one really, I wouldn't think you'd want the four seat. I mean, you're going like, that's that's no knock on the nets or whoever is in the six pot. But you're going to want to play a team that's never really been there before much more even even with the team. That's getting other guys back with Dinwiddie back, and again, that's her solid. But you'd rather play them then a Celtics team who have a ton of talent are. Bad right now can't get the wins going in lost four straight and have could have some obviously some locker room issues who really knows. But you're gonna wanna take that that sixty you what that third seat is what I'm saying. You don't want to get home court. So it's six for every game that the Sixers play without Joel Embiid because they need to get acclimated with Embiid and into by Jimmy Butler after making those big deals because if you go against Boston Celtics team that they've lost two three times this season and lost in the postseason last year. I think they get knocked off. And then it's an off season. Where what the heck do you do with Tobias Harris as a free agent Jimmy Butler as a free agent, or are you just going to sign up for several more years of this? And then it's oh what the heck did we give up for Jimmy Butler? Should we should we move? Should. We should we sign him for a long term deal because that's the position that they're in there. They haven't been good against the bucks wraps and Celtics. And I think they need to figure out their style is definitely important to balance those out they can be. Great. They can definitely be great. But I think I think it's smart that they shut down and beat because he was hobbling for a long period of time with a back injury. And then he's out with a knee injury. Now. Right. So they need to sit him down. But the more he sits out the more worried. I get for first round match. One of the biggest shocks on Thursday night. The magic rally from thirteen back to beat the warriors one zero three ninety six at the Amway center there in Orlando Terrence Ross he was money in the final quarter. Aaron Gordon led the way twenty two points, fifteen boards. So the magic snapped an eleven game losing streak to the warriors on his streak Spion snapped last night and the magic moved into a tie with the Hornets for the eighth and final Eastern Conference playoff spot. Classic magic. Here. They go to Toronto. They get a win. They go to New York. They lose to the Knicks. Then they come home and somehow rallied to beat the warriors in a big big win. Obviously they've been a great February the magic I mean is a team we do not talk about a lot. It's a team that almost no one talks. This might be the first time. Time in our six seasons of MBA TV that we've talked about the magic in March. It very well could be. Yeah. No that's fair. And we might not for Marseille. That's sort of my question here. We talk a ton about the Western Conference playoff race taunt like all the Lakers. Are they going to get in kin the kings do at the scrappy kings can clippers hold on all that? And yet we almost never talk about the Eastern Conference playoff race. So why is that because it's tight right? I mean, you even if you start with the nets at the sixth seed right now, four games separate the nets and sixth and the heat intense and the wizards are still even in the wizards are somehow still in the playoff race. Is that why we never talked about it because it's depressing. The bottom of these is not very good. Okay. Nobody has faith. Why nobody has faith that this seventh or eighth seed can knock off the top of the because they're sub five hundred teams the Brooklyn nets are in six and have impressed surprise, but below them. It's it's a whole bunch of de support. Pistons attic, the Hornets the heat, and the hazards, and that's a tough the Florida trip going into. To miami. Orlando is always got a lot of teams. I wonder why AMI Walt Disney World in Orlando exhausting. Golden State back to back lost both games that Kevin Durant. That did you say that? Yeah. That's right there. No drag for the war. Yeah. I mean, he was at rest honesty's, but. The magic legit. Yeah. We might never talk about them again. Five thirty eight who does all like the playoff like projections chances of making it on February first Orlando had a nine percent chance to make the playoffs that is skyrocketed since this month because they finished the month. I guess eight and three I think overall the all star break and there's not a ton of games. But they finished the month. This coming from goes phase Zillur they finished the month. I in net rating and I in defensive rating in the league landslide defensive rating for the month of the month of February. Yes. And then so Zillur this morning was saying Clifford has got this team plane a little like his old Hornets teams where it's like, hey, we're gonna win by playing really really good defense and then have one or two guys carry us offense when he was with the Hornets who was obviously Kemba carrying them offense, maybe a little bit. But now with the magic it's most nights it wasn't against the warriors. And then it's like a Gordon or Terrence Ross or a four and like one of those other guys steps up, and that's sort of been there formula. But they're they're getting this done on defense. And I guess that. That makes them, you know, someone of not that they're going to beat a team in the first round be at the box of the raptors probably but put up a little flight, they've got an identity like Clifford's Hornets. But that's that's the thing. If it's owns I never go faster. And so it's like it's a scrappy team to fighting team. But there's no real ceiling for the there is a sailing. I guess the same you know, it's like the maybe they win a couple of games in that first round. Many curious if Brooklyn Detroit Orlando Charlotte Miami could they win four games together in whichever three teams make the playoffs. Well, those three teams actually win four games in the first round. I would come by the nets. I think probably win a game. They play really hard. They hit a ton of threes. They could win a game pistons. I think they will get a game in the first round, especially if they play against Toronto. I like the narrative Dwayne Casey versus Toronto. Plus they got Blake Griffin other than that. I got not a ton of confidence magic Hornets or heat. But those are all home court games for the wraps if they play the pistons. Oh, yeah. Time. So maybe maybe they should just give game one and game two to the pistons play on the road and win. Yeah. I'd have most as with the Brooklyn nets. They're poor Frank Vogel. He tried to coach the magic and be a defensive team. Yeah. I wonder it's only an eleven game month for the metric it's real short with short month and shorten the all-star break not any anyway from them. But know, they need they need another star. Aaron Gordon is has not lived up to his potential. Unfortunately, consider this from night in. That's that's his thing. Great great game. Like, I said last night twenty two and fifteen that's huge. I mean that under twenty five list on ESPN the top twenty five guys under twenty five Aaron Gordon's was on there. But he's a bit of a forgotten may son four year eighty million dollar deal. AG seemed like he had the potential, but it's it's an interesting t by guess eight seed spot. Okay. Let's just say that nets are six, and let's say the pistons or seven, okay, let's just pretend hypothetically that they are right now of the magic Hornets heat. And I guess you can throw in the wizards which team do you want to take on the bucks in the first round for whatever reason just because of a storyline because of the the biggest. They could put up the heat. Everybody's going to say that he'll be going away because of Wade. Yeah. And I think Gordon dragging a real performance that's been heard all year that can they can they could definitely scare a team up there. I think if they're all AP. Yeah. Miami's had a very wheat. So he's lose at home to Phoenix lose a home all the time. Eighteen a home. But then they also knock off the warrior. I mean, it was a lucky shot, but they played really, well, there's a reason that they're twelve eighteen at home. It's fun place. Right on the road when they have home games, but Charlotte comeback. I think that's right, though, that they are the team that can probably at least cause a little bit of trouble to to Milwaukee just because a sponsor and wait. And we know the hate tend to be a tough team to beat the others. Cancel washington. They did on not going to get there. Cancelled. Charlotte. The Hornets by the way, the Hornets lead the season series two one over the magic right now. But they have a they meet in the regular season finale. So that could come into play with tiebreakers and the heat like heat or does that Charlotte or a lion or not sure actually I've taught my head. We got to send somebody Charlotte quick dry. I saw Tim Reynolds tweet this about the heat in four days. They played three games that two losses in that one win with crazy. Wade game winner game winning three but zero outcomes decided before the final second they were all out those games. That's pretty crazy. Wile when you're in the middle of a playoff race trying to get in there. Okay. So a lot of people want he'd just because a Wade. Well, yeah. Plus, an you now have this thousand dollar how many more times we'll Dwayne Wade on the scores table. At the Miami Heat. Serena they high of now, I guess ten home games left get into the playoffs. Give them another two. I think it's over one point five you generously. Gave me the line of point five. I stipulate that I'll go over one. Standing all the time before the start of yesterday's TV show. I said, yeah. Is that going to be the last time Wade gets up on the table because once this year again, I don't remember another time another game. Open. It was. So I was like, yeah. That might be the last time we see wait up on the at trays like, no, we're going to get more. And I was like what within the final twenty games or maybe the play offs. And you're like, yeah. I think it's going to happen at least two well I've gotten one on a good by a good bye. Stan he goes fan guys. This was so good. I love being backyard. Don't remember when I played for the bulls and cats really have. Did not happen. So that's a lock it in for sure on that one. And then, you know, maybe one more buzzer reader in which case hit that's able okay? All right. That somehow we got going on that. All right. Well, speaking of Wade, he called James harden last night, one of the most ungovernable players of all time after the beard inspired the rockets to a one Twenty-one one eighteen victory over the heat hearted scored fifty eight points, including a perfect Lee eighteen for eighteen from the line. You gotta love I was doing it. Tennessee's rockets fought back in the final q they got their fourth straight win. And they're, you know, they're knocking on the door there in the Western Conference standings to currently what in I know you got in front of their tasks with the fifth right now. That's correct. But not far behind teams enforcing third game in Portland. Yeah. Okay. And okay, see harden, averaging a league high thirty six point six points per game. But I think it is funny. Like he goes for fifty eight and look where I've put this in the show. That's how incredible he's been over the last couple of months. I mean, we're talking about it like it's like our third or fourth topic here. I went for fifty eight points. No one even cares anymore. It's like six ten this season boring. Yeah. I guess what? I'm curious is six times done fifty eight. No, fifty fifty very confused me. Do you think there's any chance that hardened can win second consecutive MVP? Or is it a wrap with yawn? Or maybe you think Paul George not a rap, but very very difficult because the. Bucks thirty three games over five hundred which I think is going to be forty seven wins right now, they'll they'll be less. The rockets best-case scenarios probably like fifty one fifty to give Otake, and I think that's going to be very hard for people to hand that to hod over Janas considering how good thing with the bucks. And specially when you also consider that they had a much better record last year when he won it saying we're talking about hard hot. And. Yeah, I think it's hundred percent Jaanus is winning MVP. I also think it's a wrap twenty five and four since Christmas. The bucks are Janas. Clearly the best guy on their team. He's doing it on both ends. This is the Derrick rose MVP young guy who has made the team incredible. They're going to probably finish the season with the best record in the league locking in. Please. Please don't they. Derrick rose to you. First round though with any knees here. Yeah. Do you think it's a lock? It's a lock. It's a wrap. It's the sandwich. It's a burger. It's a what else we got? So any press press really that's a real luck. Yeah. Needy uplift here shooting a Papu. Me. It's a some o- settled sucked attack us again is that because I mean, they they can't get high enough in the standings. That's important. They they were bad to start the season. I know people forget about that. But they may finish third the very highest. Yes imports. Don't wanna use that. As the number one reason why Jaanus deserves it more than harden though. You know, what I mean like because the team has in the end maybe ten or eleven more wind, it's like hardens doing historic things. But so is the honest really in terms of numbers. And then like trade you threw it in there too. Like, oh, also he might win defensive player of the year. I don't think he will if he gets MVP honest, but I think you'll finish top. He'll get Valrie. Yeah. Top four the very least. So I mean, he's a two way twenty seven twenty seven points, twelve rebounds, fifty nine percents field and six assists and a steal the D. Yeah. So I'm just saying it's not the only reason. No. But it sure helps Harding wasn't good to start the year. And I think he has to pay a price for that at him. And. Team weren't great to start start the year. You know? You know, nobody really cares about the beginning of the season. When when they actually sit back and look at it, but should play factor. We're looking at the Bron James and say, no he may be patched passing the torch the best player in the game. Because he can't do it for eighty two games. Yannis is literally doing it every single night. And that's it is an important part of basketball as much as we don't look at the larger landscape. But I think Lee Lee snuck it in there will it be unanimous, yon animus. Hot get a couple and maybe even Paul George. Yeah. Maybe even Paul George. I don't think it'll be unanimous. But I think he run I mean, I do think like once you tell it all up he's going to run away with it. Hearted needed that game that fifty eight point game too because he'd been on a slump since the all-star break. Yeah. That all-star hangover. I mean, it will you're laughing because he is still putting up points. Yeah. But he was shooting thirty seven percent in the three games, and he was three for thirty one from long distance. I mean, he hit eight in the wind last night over the heat. He's back. He's back for now. And that's going to be a concern. Right. That this that little three game stretch happens in a playoff series. Of course. That's that's always going to be they concern, especially with not just hardened. But harden, and the rockets last year, they missed twenty-seven straight threes, or whatever it was when you shoot that many threes, it's a high variance game. Usually you make him over the course of eighty two games the numbers add up so that you make them. But in a one game thing anything can happen. Humans twenty two straight threes. Over that stretch. Right. It's wild. It keeps you see them last night at the end of the game versus the he was a close game. He was pulling up. I felt like forty foot shots. I mean air balled line. He missed another one badly. It's just it is wild to watch. But that's kind of how I know go in sometimes, and that's how it works for him. Yeah. They're never like, hey, that's bad shop out doing it. They're like just making next. On you'll probably hit your next one. Good luck with that had a little injury update yesterday. The Lakers say Lonzo ball needs more healing and recovery time because of a bone bruise related to his grade three ankle sprain that he suffered way back on January nineteenth. So the team says ball is gonna meet with team physicians in a week. His status will be updated again at that point. So we really don't know when he's coming back. He's going to miss his fifteenth street game tonight against the bucks. Because of that ankle injury. He was playing his best ball before the injury. And a lot of people think the reason the Lakers have struggled is because they miss ball, especially defensively. Do you buy that is a or are we going overboard with the idea that all men once they lost Lonzo? That's when the defense really fell apart. Or is there some truth to that? There's some truth to that. He's a really good defensive player. It's important to have a point guard who is engaged defensively. Just kind of ups your defensive intensity a little bit and kind of puts everybody in the right sort of position. But also LeBron was out and also LeBron came. Back. It's just feeling a little bit like the Lakers season where we had to have the Lakers swear jar because every single time every ten games are like the season really starts now. Season. Really started now for the Lakers. Lebron came back. It's going to really start again when Lonzo comes back. They just need to get everybody healthy in time to be ready at least for the final ten games of the season. This will still be a race the final ten games of the season. Then you gotta get ready for the playoffs. If you make it time is ticket. No. It's chicken right there. Dropping three games back right now. Now, they're scheduled starts to get hard. They've gotten Milwaukee. Then at Phoenix clippers Denver Boston than a five game road trip. And it hurts not to have Lonzo ball there for that. It's going to be a couple of weeks at the very least they're gonna miss him for probably at least that those five games. Probably most of that road trip. I think it's done done is a strong word. But I don't think they make run does a bad defend up because he just doesn't kit. And that's the big thing. I think that's probably what standing at most about Lonzo not being there is that he does try. He gets into position he tries to the right spot. Rondo hasn't even been starting. I mean run small, right. When he does play he defensive the he just hangs around. That's all he does. And he tries to get him parsing line sometimes to get a transition play. But most of the time he's man is just free to do whatever he wants. I think Rondo starting is a good idea. Just for the fact that LeBron doesn't have to do as LeBron is a very capable defender when he wants to be and it just helps them his energy level. I think that sort of I sort of look at that too with no ball you need playoff Rondo here for this stretch. You need him engaged playing a little harder defensively. He's obviously fine offense league. And he does take pressure off. Lebron terms of setting up guys and bringing it up and all that if they're going to do this and they're going to need help. I mean, what are they back still three three three full? He's they're going to need some of those teams head of them to falter, but they need like LeBron's going to do LeBron things. Brandon Ingram was playing great basketball offensively, of course. Same with kouzmine. He's been very consistent. And they made that decision last game. You said they're tasked to take McGee out of the starting lineup. Rondo in their goal. Little smaller. Take the pressure off LeBrun. But it's going to come down. Like, Rondo, it's gotta be awesome. And he can be we've seen Rondo have stretches. Look back to last year's playoffs where he's sort of like takes over games. Like, well, this guy still has it if he can do that. They can win some games here even tough ones. But man, I guess they have to left against the clippers. Is that? Right. That's right. Yeah. Those are obviously must win game one month. Gary soon. It's going to be interesting fun. I love that we have at least these races and even like the racist like within the top and stuff in terms of like, the seating. Because some teams wanna see those teams because they're better match us a love it. Yeah. It would be good for the league. I think just to have Denver in that one spot. They're only half came back Golden State just give people a little bit of live feel. They can get knocked off tweeted last night. I think the warriors are trying to throw the number. They're having too much fun down there in south beach, because they don't want the number one because they don't want the chance to meet with LeBron in the I read all is definitely optime sarcasm. But Steve Kerr was really beating himself up over the shuts at that plays into it that they are pretending. They're not trying to lose. They really. I see. All right. Let's get to worse to the week tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. 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Josh Jackson was scheduled to appear at a grocery store to sign autographs on Tuesday. But he didn't show fans waited for hours thinking he was late because they weren't informed. He wasn't going to turn up gets. The sun's didn't know either. Then a member of the sons arrived. Well, it was former player and interim GM James Jones there to apologize. He also started buying beer for everybody like twelve packs, which also led to some other problems like lineups like people come back and get a free twelve. And the son tweeted later deleted video thanking fans for showing up to vent before it was clear that Jackson wasn't coming hadn't been there at all. But nothing is bad as Josh Jackson who according to his Instagram stories was hanging at a friend's birthday at Fogo to Chow. Getting some Brazilian beef. Ten miles down the road or sixteen kilometers for you. Metric folk that's yet so fortunate very unfortunate. I mean, he probably made the better choice Brazilian steakhouse. Always a good time. If you're still hungry. I don't blame them for not leaving. They're just gonna keep breathing. Because he has his green thing sticking up. They're going to keep feeding them meet. How'd you leave? Also, what's the big deal? You said James Jones, they sent him show up, and I guess politics, but you're going to see Josh Jackson, JJ fine. He's gonna put a JJ anyway, like ten years from now, you're not going to remember. Yeah. Josh jackson. Great. But the dejection just said it'd be like, I'm just not going. Oh, it wasn't just miscommunicated. I don't know the exact because it would seem weird that a play with just just I just done. I just don't even care. I'm not going to this. You know, young player. Yeah. Variety. They have it to child. Yeah. It is good serious question. Would you rather sauce? Would you rather have James Jones autograph or Josh Jackson's autograph James Jones is what a five-time campus? He won the three point shootout. Sure. Yeah. It's a no brainer. Yeah. Yeah. It is a slightly believable that Josh Jackson wouldn't show because of what the sons are going through. Yeah, they're bad. And it seems like nobody nobody not enough people care on that roster to make them less bad. And it's unfortunate because Josh Jackson is a high draft pick last year and hasn't really been fulfilling. Those expectations generally in. I don't know if it goes for all NBA teams. But you have as a player like mandatory number of appearances that you have to do throughout the year a minimum number that you have to hit. I don't know if it's three or four whatever the number is. So yeah, I mean, he maybe he had already met his quota was like screw this that anyway. But yeah, like, that's what happens with these guys, you know, going to kids hospitals and doing this and doing that and autographs and all that that they are because their team part of the team they have to do it. It's just part of the job. But that's a good one. That's a good nominee. What else you got second nominee rule? Already under fire. I know just one more time. So he can hear it. We don't have to talk about it. He's trying to make a musical comeback as we all know. But his halftime show in Milwaukee did not get off to a good start. We read. I music, I guess. Nope. They weren't. He needs beats. I mean, he's not freestyle out there. That's on his DJ, man. Deejays fault. Charles. You think you should have had? Reloaded? Yeah. Didn't you know, you're going to go on was the first one? You say John rules trying to make a musical comeback. I guess percents certain okay. As far as I can tell his last release was pain is love to what year. Maybe twenty four that. Are you Ellie two thousand four? Wow. Wow. He's letting the Olympics. Jabril school. Yeah. And then there was a whole bunch of Twitter beasts where he said, the Sacramento Kings aren't going to get Karl Anthony towns back he obviously doesn't play for the Sacramento Kings and the kings fired back a lot of fiery back and forth. Oh, there we go. Why did the bucks hire him? Because he's in the news. And because he put out a record that came out in nineteen ninety nine these in the news for a very bad reason. And he's still news. I think it's honestly I think it's a weird choice is basically two documentaries came about how he was knowing participant in a giant fraud. And then they're like, all right. Well, he didn't make some music got some jam theme. Even though he was upset. Right. Because he was like. Artists. But I guess my first capable. I'd say if you compare all the people who do have time shows though, he's probably one of the best. Yeah. Sorry. You get we have that you'd run out child rule than vanilla name name somebody who's performed at halftime show in the NBA the last few years that's better than him. Who is this year came one that was actually game is that too chains? A rare exception. They have a lot of like I. Argument. I don't know what you mean. Yeah. Bunch of crappy people have performed at halftime shows. But if they wanted to spend money to pay to get someone better. I don't see why they who would you from the nineties who do you want for the night? Okay. Let me think like Harvey danger. No. Entirety of has definitely done it before. Oh, he's. Yeah. He's probably still doing. Yeah. Rob van winkle is always a good for a few. He's he's obviously done it. The question anytime these guys perform like these throwback is from the nineties. It's always like how much did they get paid to do that? Yeah. You're right. You're right. If they were willing to give fifty grand to somebody. I don't know what the numbers, I think that's fair. That's why I feel like I don't know why. Well, I. Cool to that. I think it's lower. Yeah. That's what I was saying fifty grand for somebody better. Wow. Overweight JAL rule? Brought Jennifer Lopez ease. I mean, I enjoy the rob base ones that come out, the joy and pain. By the way, said he killed that set eventually start. That's true. And he said he killed it. I mean John rule like if you string his oh five hits. The he's got some Bangor. And you haven't you haven't named anybody Madame wait. Yeah. Nineties hip up ours, Brown salt and pepper. Okay. So yeah. I mean, snoop Dogg. Not too much money. Limit. You want me to pick someone that's. Supper is believable. Okay. Okay. Warren g okay, it'd be believable done. But. Yeah. Yeah. See the problem with the warriors. You have a. Yeah. Exactly. Wouldn't doesn't have a mess regulators? He's DJ. That's right. That's right. Then then you're struggling you can't even get an eight dog there. Twenty minutes at the most right? No, it's probably out there. Yeah. Fifteen hops. Regularity San's same. I just scrolling through some nineties hip hop here. I'll take a I'll take Jurassic five. The raptors drastic five stern. One of the great voice. Okay. Third nominee the elevator or the blazers were stuck for half an hour. Evan Turner, Rodney hood, Damian Lillard Zach Collins Meyers Leonard and his canter scallops Sierra and rookie Anthony Simon's. How many is that one two three four five six seven eight blazers in an elevator for thirty minutes. It wasn't a very long time thirty minutes feels like a long time. Basically the exact amount of time. I was stuck in one. If felt longer did you establish a p corner? No, I didn't. I was only stuck with one other person. It was in my building the element. That's how you met your wife. No. Like, I said like I said in crossfire is like, I didn't know her. I don't remember having ever seen her even and it was like, you know, it's I five minutes, you're like making small talk. And then it's just like all right? Then you're just like how long are we going to be in here? Like, that's it. That's all I got what do you mean? And then it's like, you know, you got your phones at least. But like, I said did you just get on your phone did? Yeah. Scroll. I remember that it didn't take long for the the the the fire trucks to be called the department again groups and get to get there that they felt like they got their quick. But then it was like another twenty minutes of them trying to figure it out like the established like through the the knock we're here for here. Yeah. You could hear them like you could talk more Morse code or no talk. And then they're like, all right. We're figuring it out. You just sit tight, and that's it. But then at that felt like an eternity. I guess, but I do have a question with the blazers thing because my enventually they just I got to a floor and just got off. But they had the whole weird thing like their floor. Was there elevator was between floors? Probably or. Yeah. To maybe now. Luckily, they're all giant men. So no problem stepping up there. Whatever it was. But would you leap off because you're like afraid of that thing like cutting in half like giving away cables given way you have. That's literally what happens in speed, right? Yeah. Would you do it the very opening scene of speed? I would I would you leap off. Or would you play a cool like some of the guys delete up? Leap about this way before the places thing ever happened. Anytime. The elevator does not open exactly pin point accuracy where it is. I don't like your even say like sometimes I play it here below what's going on that guy? Get off here you I'd get off quick to. I don't want to live. Dennis hopper. You carry a papooses in your pocket and. The problem, though, a jumping off if you're one of the first people jumping off there. Yeah. Some of those guys were screw the guy's still stuck on the elevator. You jump in Jocelyn and even more. I'm not could give jumping. Bright sets. The elevator. The courtroom is going to snap. Yes. Obviously kidding. But I I mean, you the late man, you never know. Leaping off might screw up. Something. Yeah. For the other people, you would be saved. Good. Yeah. The nurse talk about them. Not having enough rations enough food for thirty minutes. Evan Turner said he had to granola bars. And that's all they had amongst. Okay. Yes. They get hungry. You're stuck on an elevator with Leila's. He's got a knapsack in his bag. He has one pair. Okay. That's it got one pair and the Mandarin. Amanda, read. And he's offering you that pair that hair is Liz. For our meeting. The Param juiciest pair, don't like you're not very hard to share pet because it. Speier there with the Mandarin? You can say do you want some of them? This you on that. Bid. I'm just saying with the pets like you either have the whole thing. Starve to death on this elevator stopped. It did. Yeah. Well, I'm offering it anyway. So I'm saying you're taking a bite, and then you're saying here, you go you want to buy is it clear that it disgusts me. The way leads pairs of we've discussed that before it's sort of the premise of this. I feel like it's well-known. Okay. I don't know if it is way leads pairs you just don't like anyone. He sits next to me. It's especially worse. He looks me in the eye. He's slowly. He's not you slip. You'll food though all the time. I slip my slur per you. Or a slip Ameris your slip at your salad. Overcoat it today, and you can listen back. Man to read. You say. My new favorite pronunciation. In an elevator rain and you'll look over at it lovingly. I'm just going to say it. Remember that time you make fun of it. And then I'm just going to take a piece by piece, and I'm going to slump my way through. Gonna eat. The ryen or whatever the skin. You learn. It's at the beach. And. Oh, why for second? I couldn't figure out what you call the outside of a mandatory. The core. Around right. Yeah. I know but peel rind, okay? Fix or renowned? All right. We're eight Irene. That's why it's called the Mandarin's surrounded by Arene this one from that's super cool as we're nearing the end of the regular season. What is a first round matchup? You would like to see now net. So cool says for me it's thunder jazz. I want to see whether okay see is for real and getting over the team that knocked him out of the playoffs last time. I should have read this. I ask could've got that. Linebacker. Okay. So that one that works as of today being Friday here, March first, okay? So Utah would be the three six matchup. But do you guys have either either a first round playoff matchup? That's like as of today is set or one that you just want to see happen a realistic one. Of course, when and why of course, I do want to see the nuggets in the Lakers because I think LeBron Kim probably convince his guys that they can beat a team that doesn't have playoff experience together. But the nuggets should carve them up. So it's you know, there's drama on both sides. Well, this not get seem go down because they. Haven't won. We'll this Lakers team be able to take them out. And because it's LeBron, you know, do I wanna see LeBron the playoffs kinda because it's LeBron James. But I also wanna see those other bottom teams in the west make it as well, so okay Nogues lakes traits that are looted to erupt as pistons. I think that'd be a fun match up. I think doing Casey would know that the raptors get a little nervous in those company slaughter them. Come on. Why would play up to anyway, I'd like to that? But the other one the gentleman sweep them at least blazes rockets. I'd like to see that the full five as it is right now because I'm not sure who picking up. Yeah. That's a good one. I'm not sure one of those teams would be very very disappointed with the first round exit series is almost perfect for each other. Because it's like someone beat Lillard or a harden have to probably together to get out of the first round. Yeah. So exercise some demons. Yeah. I mean as it would as it stands right now, the blazes would have homecourt advantage. But I think that would be. One of those series. It really could go seven games. And. Yep. Could come down to literally the last play of that series of very very rockets fans would be having some flashbacks to of that. With the game six winner. Right. That was game six. Yeah. Where he hits the stole homecourt. Yep. We're very close to a warriors versus kings first round series. And that would be awesome to watch. I think that could maybe the most fun series of the entire playoffs just because the kings for some reason have been the only team to figure out that you can actually keep playing super fast for an entire season. A lot of teams come into the preseason that I man we're playing fast this year at lasts for a month. And then you're planning normal basketball, not the kings. They play hard and they play fast the whole time. They give the warriors game. So I think that'll be super fund the most drama filled. Seventy Sixers versus teams are expecting coming into the air to be in the finals. And if one of them were to lose in the first round, there's some drama. Oh, yeah. I mean, we know drama. We actually have a question about that a little bit later next one here from Muhammad. Hey, guys, I'm a die wraps fan. So I was super pumped built this week's game against the Celtics were they crushed them. But because the game turned into a blowout. I started to really pay attention to non-scoring. Plays. And I can't stop watching this co y one handed rebound from the game, and he'd linked to it. And if you remember it, it's you know, it's like it's like it's not it's it's a cool looking play because quiet because of his giant pause grabs the ball out of the air. And then goes the other way, and that's the place talking about. But it got him thinking got Muhammed thinking about just how amazing NBA players are. He took a normal basketball act, a rebound after Michele, and he made a look incredible. So my question is what other normal basketball things are made incredible. When performed by NBA athletes, the tough question, do you have anything to add to that what we have tons of games of basketball? But every time we go to a game in person. And if you get some of the good seats that we get sometimes it's still amazed me just how much sources on every that that is out there like the the the bowl like it just fizzes around. I would say just in general the speed of the being close. But when you see you see like a Chris Pohl someone when he does really FIS possibly, oh my God like. He would hurt. Ready? So I think that's something that if you get a chance to experience it go and check that out because it's really cool to see. And the other thing just gotta adding heat through quickly is some players who have very deceptively quick. You don't think quick Mike Conley? He's got very very good likes at a status step. I at crossover. You don't see it on TV because he doesn't look fast and Jeff takes and other one. When when he was here, the hawks we saw him up close a couple of times, man. He's quick. But he doesn't have that reputation as being a super fast plan. I liked that. I liked the passing for sure that's a good one. Yeah. A lot of sauce on that past juice in that. I also think it's amazing that if you watch any NBA player just shooting around practice shots their money like anybody like I remember the first time I ever heard of that was like Grant Long who was not a score in the NBA. But which you like eighty percent just shooting around from three. And it was like this guy. Never takes three. You see Reggie Miller. He's one hundred years old still money from the corner. How good these guys are when the games don't matter. It's impressive. It's insane. I saw Andrew bogut Anson version the finals raining in threes from the corn. I like it is eighty percent of them. I would just like to to one, and it's like, wow. Incredible. Or how people like Dwight Howard man work on your free throws. Why don't you practice free throws? He's like an eighty five percent free throw shooter in practice. That's wild. So when he gets the other line in the game. Yeah. Anything else said, well, the passing that passed that people get into the lane now and fire to the corners or from the top and fire to the corners. If you play pick up basketball, you got to you have to put a lot of juice. Hind that to get it there. Those guys do it like with nothing, but one one handed that that tossed any skip pass is hard to do physical. Yeah. And those guys have it's just sort of part of their repertoire, it's it's like when Matt Bonner was Dunkin on us once upon a time, you take the the guy who's would be ranked the four hundred best PO best player in the NBA. And obviously he's going to school everybody, sit obvious. All right, next, one got three questions here. It's a three parter. Hey, all I love the podcast, you're great yada, yada, yada. And then he wrote skeets make up whatever compliments you one cosigns say what one ad one. You're awesome. Bill. Few questions for you. And you can feel free to answer any or all them whenever you want. Number one is which top Eastern Conference team would be most devastated by a first round playoff loss. We'll go. Let's go one by one. If you've got an answer to one of these this is by the way from Clayton in Seattle. So we're talking about which team would be most devastated by losing in the first round. Is it the Sixers or the Celtics or do you have another team in the mix? Raptors, okay, why is going then it's probably a bit of a fire sale as well out of that. I think Larry it'd be at Marcus old moves on. So I just think I think the raptors considering where they are coming to the season with Kuwata expectation that maybe they can get into stay if they lose off in that first round. I think the plan falls apart, and it would be a two seven matchup, and it would just be the same out a five hundred team LeBron's not in the this year, and they still can't even get out. And so I think it would I think you could have severe repercussions on the franchise. Okay wraps. I think Philly's even worse because they. Just gave up players for Jimmy Butler and Tobias Harris. And now, it's. It's very possible that they could get bounced if they if they play the Boston Celtics who technically own them. And then what do you do if that's serious started today today? Would you take Philly? I mean. Which are more of a Celtics fan. I still think than some right now, you're believing them, obviously. Would you take the Celtics what I meant in four or five match. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, it's tough. I think so too Horford for some reason plays them beat so well, and they also have Aron Baynes throw at him whenever he's back have taught about Celtics. Yeah. Celtics is the first round Kyrie's for sure gone. I would imagine if the Celtics lost in the first round, and you have some some angry people in Boston Bill. Simmons would have some very sad tweets. Yeah. That's why I kind of want the Pacers to stay up up high. So a first round matchup has a little bit more on the line in Eastern Conference because then you know, Boston or Phillies playing one at the other big four teams. Right. I still think I do think the Sixers are going to pass the Pacers. They'll take third and then RBM. Chasers. Celtics first round, I don't know who will have homecourt advantage. But I think that's what's gonna be next one here from Clayton three quarters through the season. How do you think this season will be remembered gimme your tagline for the two thousand eighteen nineteen NBA season? And his was the year Janas stole the torch from LeBron. What do you got well done? Yeah. That's a good one. How about the year? Everybody was angry MU everybody's angry pig year of the angry peg we had Katie versus Draymond early in the season that seems to a pathway Katie versus the media when porzingas got traded. Kyrie Irving has kind of asked later between joking around with the media and hating the media. Lebron is always kind of the same way. The you can see where Tyree learned at being nice to the media sometimes and thinking they're idiots a lot of people are upset in the NBA. And I think that that will change next year if Kevin Durant actually moves on and chooses another team if he goes to the Knicks. It's a kind of a reset for the league. So maybe people do jelly, okay. The year the Lakers will back but not really. Okay. Yep. Then they had that huge off season. And I was like man the lake is a back LeBron's going to get them back. And then maybe that I made the playoffs and they went back actually after all now the season. I do think the phrase of the season is load management like one year are phrased that the season was definitely verticality the ROY Hibbert season. We talked about all the time this year, we have all been convinced that load management is just the way you say rest just rest, but we call it load management. It's a hilarious word. Yeah. Mine is a little less overarching because that was a great one provided by the Email there. But when the warriors disperse, they all they all go their separate ways. Katie leaves? It'll be the death of the death lineup. It's just it's just more cute than anything. But. It could happen. They could have the third and final part of Clinton's Email the third question the best one, Kyrie Irving. Great hang or tough. Hang. He's a great hang. Okay. Why why do you think? So because. I'm sold. Because he yes, I and he loves YouTube. You don't have to talk. You can be an elevator and just watch YouTube videos with them. He likes to hang out. I think he has his vices could chill. Yeah. He seems always give it his all when he's going to a party. I'll always remember that Power Ranger video of him dressed as a Power Ranger doing. All this cool dance moves I do think he would talk trash about you behind your back after you hung out. But being there in the moment, you're having a good time Lee anything fun hanging. Or is he a little too prickly? I guess it depends. What you're doing? I think as you mentioned in a potty environment. He's probably okay. But if you're just sort of hanging out with nothing to do on a Sunday, you might get a beat heavy. Yeah. You don't wanna talk to you. That's the thing. He might get a little bit into that sort of thing. Just trying to watch the game. You think the government should not? They do they see. And then he'd be like. On you to your all, right? Great questions guys keeping coming. Hashtag the starters or Email us the starters and NBA dot com. Let's step into the completed area. We resolve this conflict without anger. I complain to with a spoiler alert to few. I'm going to talk about a star is born while. So if you don't want to hear anything about a star is born nothing I say goes past like the first third of the movie, but feel free to skip ahead. There's your warning apologies to people at this table. The first third of the movie. Okay. Okay. Good point. Okay. So I watched this recently, it's a much ballyhooed film. I think we can all this and something really took me out of it kind of near the start. So basically, the start of the movie is Bradley Cooper sees lady Gaga singing in a drag bar, and they hang out together for the rest of that night. They go to sort of this underground or after hours bar lady. Gaga punches a cop. Interesting then he takes her to a supermarket to get a bag of Ps to put on her hand. All right. And they're sitting in the parking lot. Just just a Chilin buzz wear off perhaps and sort of out of nowhere. She breaks into Capella a. Asong that will become shallow. And she sings JD. We're not gonna play it. I know I asked you to cut it. But there's no point. She basically sings one verse. And one course, that's it. Okay. He's like just out of nowhere or. Yeah. He said she's like a. Townies then. And then he's he thinks. Opened a window in his in his, you know, Sam Elliott voice. Yeah. Bradley Cooper's like, rob. Rob. You might be rat. Or do a better lady. Anyway. So she says she says like, oh, I was sort of writing the song. But I just threw in. This these words that are about you. And then they pause. They start talking about other stuff. And then she's like gets up, and she's like, I think this would work for the course. And that's that's the course. So we all know, I'm off the deep, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. So. They don't see each other again 'til a couple days later when he's playing a show in a different part of the country, and he sends his driver to get her. She comes to the show. She's thinks she's just there to watch standing backstage. She's having a great time until the encore the end of the show Jackson's like, all right? He walks up to her backstage. And he goes we're going to do that song. And she's like what? No, we can't. I can't to embarrass you shy. And he's like, no, no. You just got trust me. And if not I'll do it myself. Okay. Number one. How are you going to do it yourself? You don't ostensibly. This is what happened. He went away wrote in arrangement for the song that he heard one verse and one chorus for and now they're gonna sing it together. Having never practice. She's never heard this arrangement. She doesn't know what key it's in. But they're going to sing it together. So he starts. She's just sort of I guess ultimately aggressive. He starts by saying a verse that I guess he wrote is that what we're led to believe. Yes. Sounds like it, right? Tell me something girl. She never saying that to them. So how does he know? And there wasn't a scene where she was where they've been texting. And. And she's like for the deleted scenes. Behavior. D finally finished that track. Okay. Cool. All right. Well job on Skype later tonight. And we'll go over it. I thought that it was this same day the day that I was at the same. It's very close in time. He gets she comes home in the early morning, right? And then his driver is basically there. Yeah. I gotta take you to this next show. It's very soon. It's all right. Okay. True, soon attitude. So then he sings his one verse that I guess he's made up, and I guess they've agreed silently that he's going to start this then. Okay. Then she sings her verse. And then here we go. We're into the chorus play it. She's on stage in front of many thousands of people. Okay. Okay. That's it. She's just sung. The course. All those ever. Sung is one verse in one course, now listen to what happens next they're both gonna come in. And sing something that you tell me how they both knew this is going to have to go. Stop it again. How do they know that it would have been almost more realistic? If like the coupe dog had started that that like sing it like that? And so talented that. Oh, yeah. Okay. I can do I see where we're going with that. But you're right. It was instantan-. I don't know he just rift Mandarin or. Because he did Mandarin. You know what I mean? And then it was easy to. So she doesn't know the tune to this part because it doesn't but fine. How many different ways are? They there to say shallow a million like he's going. Lows your Tony. That's the most obvious. I would go. I would do. Then the second time in the show at Lowe's, so that's different both times. Come on. It's the chemistry man. Just. I mean, they just figured it out. Keep keep saying we can just talk over this part. Do this part. And then I guess one might assume another verse. But no now, they're just into the pre course. And the course like why didn't have much time to write a third. Yeah. But I guess she does she's just like all right now, I'm going to come in just croon this part. I don't know for how long do you want me to do this? I'll just come in here. Believe believable fun this parts believable. But I wanted. I I want them to be drastically singing shallow. Here's in different syllables. Wanna know is? She is she do it a lot of like looking around looking at the drummer target. I like, no, no, no. I read face a lot of the time. Actually why. Because it's her first time on stage like that completely overwhelmed. Also, this is the encore what kind of psychopathy. Sings a new song in an encore. And then be bring someone who the audience has no idea who they are on. I aku. Like is. He a star. Like is. He again, we have to believe he is because he gets recognized on all three he's playing to thousands of people. But who who sort of is his analog? I I I think it's a country singer, right? Scott to be well, yeah. But it's more southern rock, which is also completely not too believable because he came on the scene and like two thousand five this southern rock dude is is massive star. I don't know he Zac Brown the Zac Brown band, man. I guess it's possible. I also. Breakdown. Yeah. I don't know what else. Hey, you really nitpicking here. But. You. No, people were you liked out. When you're watching this coach, I'm not sure where you on your phone. Was I lying down after this. I did start to pick up my phone because I was a little. Okay. It's like in superhero movies people are like, well, this guy can make people disappear. So in this scene. Why didn't he just make the guy? Disappear whatever like, okay, fine. You're distracted by a lot of things blowing up and who really cares. The superhero movie, but this is supposed to be this is a very small movie. And I mean, just in terms of the scope of the story tells like she goes on SNL, it's not a late night show. It's SNL Alec Baldwin a realistic host Fresno is hosting. They go to the Grammys like it's supposed to be very lifelike and realistic. And therefore that is the drama. We're supposed to see this young. You just would've preferred their first performance together. Be a little more rocky a little is I guess dramatically cool as hell that they get up with ever having sung together before sing a song that no one has yet written with parts that no one has yet heard. But like, and it was cool. But then I was like this is supposed to be realistic. I mean, you had like real musicians writing the music for this. And and obviously the Jason is bell song is the best on Monte been flawed. Did the same thing in back to the future? He does he does Johnny be good with the band. I didn't know anything about it. But then it goes off the rails. Different to like, if you're basically playing blues and a any. I think in. Correct. That's right. But at least he said something the ban head. We're we're doing a blues riff and. And follow me, basically. Right. Can we hear the shallow allow? Allow. Yeah. Yeah. That's wants to like really focus in. Maybe there is some slight differences. It was his right after the beginning. Be patient. Four we're going to get sued for you know, we're talking over it. That's the rule. Also, they probably would want to hear this. Out of it realistic in the movie if like they'd made our podcast or something. Okay here. It is. She's in that what she said shush. Different. It's not identical. But still in her performance at the bar what she doing a lot of Lalla laws. Maybe he's like all slide in Gaga flavored LA LA LA, she'll pick your she sings Levy on rose. Okay. A fascinating complaints area. Yeah. How many so given the so many stars at a four stars? What do they do? And how many of those stars were born out of what let's go five stars. Three. So good. Five star move. I guess super troops grade. Five stars stars born. I was genuinely who's seen it at this table justly stars. Yeah. I've seen it. Okay. So half the table. Where are we supposed to think lady Gaga was good? I I mean, obviously, she was good. But like she goes like this guy Jackson main thinks she's got like this. This singular voice that she. She writes, these songs full of heart and emotion. I mean, she wrote shallow or at least half of it ostensibly, which is like as they play it. I don't know I rock songs kind of country tinged in the verses. But then very emphatic in the course of. And then she goes on us, and she becomes like a like, a catsuit dancer like dance moves dance moves like the most generic sounding pop music, right? And he's kind of like not Jackson's not super happy. But I'm sure he's he's a bit of a tick. But like maybe at a point. Maybe it wasn't that good. Question. I joined the movie. Yeah. No. I mean, did you like her? Music alleys music in the movie. Yes, I do. But I like I like have music generally, so lady Gaga music more than I liked her sons. There was no pop poker face. Oh shush. Shush show. He was guiding. I thought though, I thought for that was her first major role anybody that I know of I thought she was no she was very good. It was very good. She's very good. And I thought he was great to for a guy who had sung and danced or play instruments. Like, he did it all it wasn't. It wasn't a buddy double or anyone doing it for him. He did it off. It was great spotty. I've been buddy. Good like body doubles. Body double. I mean, she was playing she's playing herself to. It's a reminder. She doesn't go to NYU in the Mideast. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. All right. Good stuff. Well, trae mentioned it earlier. It's the year of the angry pig everyone's angry and set out there. So let's put some joy in the world. I wanna hear some NBA nights. Steph like babbling brook Lopez. The NBA agent. He's happy Wolters. Good good. What about a nice beautiful field of Gerald green grass? No one's happy. Then smiles Tana. Zen wallace. Very good. Brandin joy Sam rainbow e. Neven love. Thing. That's nice puppies are nice poppies are nice couldn't single. So if someone else what you do with the puppy. What you do with the puppy? You hugs e Bogues it. How about how about just majestic John salmon, swimming, upstream? Sam industry. Bolden paula. Nice. Very nice. Now, what about our friend grant chill? There's somebody saves smiles Turner. Good. How about marquees kiss that somebody say CJ, smells, good? Smiles plumbing, still available. Nice. I also had the Kawhi Leonard drop, which is a nice thing. That's right. Leonard. Twenty two week time. That we. When. I want to apologize to you place that lady Gaga thing took longer than I thought. So I guess there's no time. Politics. That's on me me, bad, news longest wing on. But I've got to get through the Chad. It's a long run Milana. Lou Florida's the Duff Portis of Florida's fecal news Jovan ninety nine digs. Dan, juice flying. Brian sixty four piecemeal is chunky boy, Nick pickled night speed Emily twenty two Samuel, no five. Byron Scott D L NIA run BC T, JoAnn, Johann Kia, Nick how McQuay goo amac thirteen. Big baby. Davey. Young pip dot petro. Lafontaine, learn Chen. J D Shahani, my L Hauraki peanut Mr. Visco Cora. Dr jackpot Schiller roots? Mentana saw slamming Danny g Jordan analytics Marin, q west the happy hab the real m j skeets. Thai. So we'll play Twenty-one shop he mock at three to six ghosts muse, east swift to land delicious, Jared dried, and none, of course, the captain of the tweet of the week on me, Mr. MRs. Yeah. Settle into this final. You have to. I'm not gonna tell you who tweeted this. You're going to see if you can guess who tweeted them. And if there's a common theme to the tweets. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We're guessing who tweeted, yes. And if you can see what leaks tweets. Congratulations to Ruth Cada for winning the Oscar for best costume designed for Black Panther. I'm glad my friend, Spike Lee gave Ruth dot Magic Johnson. Congratulations to Hannah bleaker for making history with her Oscar win for best production design in Black Panther. Magic Johnson best supporting actor for his performance in green book. My my her Sheila. Mahershala Ali Ervin Johnson. Congratulations. Congratulations to Spike, Lee, Charlie. What show David rubber wits and Kevin Willmott cookie? Johnson. It makes me feel so proud to say Spike Lee win an Oscar into win. He was making Malcolm X, I believe, and it's so much that I invested in it. Huge. Congratulations to spike. Magic johnson. Congratulations to lady Gaga vista original sound cello. From a star is born let go you have to tell me what you go. You'll beautiful necklace. Congratulations to Rummy volley. Best actor in a leading role, but he'd be in rhapsody amazing performance. And well does a congratulations. Via the legendary Glenn Close to admit ex best actress for her performance in the favor and finally cooking relations green book winning best picture. I've seen it three times. I'm looking forward to seeing it three more. Twit. It's going to watch green books. Roese early. List? Johnson is not tweeting these things like him real. I think it's a Larry King scenario where he tells people stuff. Yes, we'd it for us. I sorta do I sorta do. The Oscars, and he goes, oh, great. Hey, this congratulate them, I sorta do don't you think that person would say do you really want? Another congratulations. You've had eight and. Oh, look, he says tweeted, they say how many characters? 'cause they're like, yeah. And there's such like that whoever that intern copy and paste job for sure copy and paste put it into the next one change the name change what the category was it was sent by Twitter for phone. So this is a hand held device, which will lead you to believe. Perhaps. It's magic though, I mean, everybody else has phones. We gotta find a picture. I just can't believe it. All right. It was weird is like how you know. Sometimes when you read something that, you know, what the person's voice sounds like you can't help. But read it in their voice, I cannot help. But read Magic Johnson tweets in the lease voice and that pace and the. It's very weird. I don't like it. Maybe it's Li writing them he has an iphone. It's true. Okay. We're almost done here. But before we go, some rapid fire fun. On Danny Green's podcast. Jeremy Lin explain how Vince Carter's managed to play for so long the secret to Islam jetty before every game. He takes a cocktail of Tylenol and Aleve. What's secret? Tip allows you to achieve high performance -ly when I have to make a big decision. The night before I have a big stake in abruptly because state. Broccoli's good bright like one floor. It. You want a good a good serving of broccoli steamed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then when you wake up in the morning you make that decision. And you know, that's the right. Broccoli. Gotcha. Does he something I call the daily deuce? No, not no. It's two minutes of breathing. Let's all try it. Right. We're all. Yeah. Just breathing. Skeets? You do it. Right. When you wake up or you just find. What do your daily news? Say I gotta say I made that. If I if I do try and meditate it is in the more. Okay. My secret tip for what high-performance zero preemptively stretching. Okay. You don't you don't need to do it post activity stretching very very important pre activity. I've never done it. And I'm fine. Rarely injured Philip code. Code my peak physical condition, but you know, there's a lot of there is a lot of research that shows you don't need to of course. Of course, addict scratching you could maybe roll you can roll out those calves, not pre roll it. Roll host is important guys. Hey, you're the one that's injured right now. Not me. I know stop doing it. Roll it up. I got to roll it in Kobe Bryant's writing a young adult novel about a down on its luck basketball team and their new mysterious. Coach does the coach have magical powers. I can't. Yes, he doesn't give me a one sentence pitch entitled for your hit. Why a series title is sit down. The sentences a God to keeping toilet from being disgusting. You know, what a why is young adult novel? Say it again, sit down. Yes, it does. Because because the children's book. No, it's not it's not men men at disgust. But that a toilet. That's not a y eight series. It's is it. That's how. Entire book about sitting on the time. Yes. Already interested in all right task. You should try. You might just relaxed a little more. Veronica Briggs walked to her job at the local Volkswagen plant every day for three years until the day. She didn't in one moon away. That's a why Ainhoa. The sturdy boy's head to Australia to recover valuable stolen painting. But just end up recording a podcast working title, the Victorian stinger because that's the name of the painting as well. As the podcast. Ooh. All right. The sons Josh Jackson was scheduled to make a public appearance. Tasks already told us about it. We know the story GM's Joan stepped in and he com- the crown crowd by uttering, two simple words, free beer, crisis averted guys. What's the best autograph you've ever received in this office? Yeah. I have a poster that used to hang on my bedroom wall like thirty years ago and a couple of years ago that person Isaiah Thomas came in signed it, and he said on it from one star to another star. What? To the other star made it to the wall of being to the wall of fame, and he signed it. So it's pretty cool though that I was like fifteen when I got that. And then Isaiah on them hangs up there. Now that is legitimately very cool. Tassie? Chassis drop. Legitimately spent one hundred and twenty five dollars on a raptors program. In a silent auction that had offense Carter autograph on. It. Wasn't authenticated. It was just straight sharpie on the front of the program. But it's now gone. I don't give a crap about it. Because. I got a weird one the best autograph? I ever got my high school girlfriend's sister. I believe it was the person that did it Shannon was her name. She got me Chuck layers autograph. Now, Sean flair was Etienne rapper. Yes. In the nineties bring it back here to the nineties rap scene. Ain't nobody hanging does. That's right. His biggest single chocolate was let's ride it's on Spotify. It's actually is good mean we played in the street. We're about that. I hit a home run to left field like Kada, definitive, right? The looting to it. He also performed on the Canadian hip hop anthem northern touch one of my favorite trae also just heard today in the car. And that's with rascal rascals, excuse me, checkmate, Carnell, and thrust and then shock layers in it. But that's a weird autograph? I mean, it's not like I was gigantic chocolate fed, but she must've she saw him somewhere. And got the autograph for me. It was just on a piece of paper. That's it. I had it had a frame for a little bit. It'd be cool. If he signed an ache, clear talk, very true, be delicious. Well, that's rapid fire. And that's another edition of the drop podcast. Wow. We went down some weird tangents on that one. A lot of star is born talk. Maybe you enjoyed it. Maybe that's what made it a classic. Let us know. Ashtray? The starters Email us the starters and MBA dot com. If you subscribe to the show on apple podcasts, leave us that five star is born review and rating, tell your friends really appreciate it helps us in the rankings. Join us tonight. Friday, NBA TV six PM eastern. We got your worst of the week winter. We got your top ten plays of the week and whole lot more. You heard it here. I have a great time turn up. Love you guys. Awesome. Thanks for joining us. And remember the best Canadian musical artists of all time are chocolate thrust. Check me rascals rascals and truck. Well, there's the duo do dilated peoples. No, no. The rascals knows those two guys two guys off the top of the. Oh, there's there's the rascal checkmate. Yes. Truck layer. There's thrust. There's there's there's snow at the end. Sows in that. I don't think he's he Canadian. He's canadian. Credited in the song. So I'll tell you name the five rascals are the combo. My favorite tune reps. Repsol on this is funny because this sample, right? Great beef. DM ex. Yeah. Checkmate. Sack. You. No, no snow risks. You might be in the video other facts, this director ex director. Yeah. This is his first or maybe one of his first music videos, and Melissa Ford is in this video the model. Actress. By day nine. Oh, no, no. That's no. Are you want me to go to the end? Yeah. Yeah. Video think he's in the video. This is. I mean, how close to the task? I think I think it is the oh, it's right at the end. I know you're. I don't know what the heck. Race the debut.

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A Sunday Night Slugfest in Texas, Bortles' Day in Rainy K.C., Vikings, Bills, Rams and More From Week 5  | The Monday Morning NFL Podcast

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A Sunday Night Slugfest in Texas, Bortles' Day in Rainy K.C., Vikings, Bills, Rams and More From Week 5 | The Monday Morning NFL Podcast

"Sunday nights slug fest between the Texans and Cowboys of lake portal meltdown as the chiefs take control the AFC the Vikings, get back on track and how the bills found away. Again, we're breaking down all things leak. Five on the Monday morning, NFL podcasts. Hello and welcome to the m QB Monday morning NFL podcast. I am Gary gramling. He is anti Benaroya. We are through a week five Sunday that felt a little bit like order was restored. To an extent Steelers won a game. I don't know Panthers one biking's one. Again. It's like south kinda got the five hundred across the board. Texans came down everybody. Yeah, I agree with you. It did feel like the NFL season is settling in and then we ended with that defensive fistfight in Texas, and that felt a little more like NFL football, given all the scoring and over the top offense. We've seen this season that well, that felt like almost outdated NFL football at this point whether you like it or not. But let's start there with the Sunday night or the Texans outlast the Cowboys in overtime, nineteen. Sixteen win. I'll just say. I thought the Texans were clearly the better team in this game. I feel like this game was almost a microcosm of their season, just bad situational football, bad play in the red zone and gold ago situations. And that's kind of we've talked on the show a couple of times, you know, how are the Texan struggling so badly? Why are they losing games when the offense is clicking pretty well, the defense on they have some issues in the secondary, but it's still a good defense. Why are they? There were one in one in four coming into this one. Why was why was that the case? And I think he got a taste of that. Excuse me. They were one in three coming into this one. I was I was chomping on as a loss with all the bad karma in this one, but there are two and three now, but this is kind of been there issue this year. It's it really is just bad situational football. Well, the one thing I still don't understand. We're not seeing as many misdirection play action, moving pockets, the stuff that they did. So impressively on the fly last year with Watson. For whatever reason they're not doing it. They're doing it about a third as much. If we're to track the numbers on it, they're very protection oriented. A lot of extra bodies back in pass protection, which is interesting because Bill, Brian, he comes from the patriot system and in his heart of hearts. I know for certain he wants to get all five eligible receivers out in a route. So it's not like it's a philosophical issue here. They clearly don't trust her off into tackles and they've been making personnel changes. Aaron looks like kindle lamb on the right side is becoming the solution at least compared to what they had is your other options. Davenport's back left tackle, but they don't fully trust those guys, but they didn't trust their tackles last year and they still were able to accommodate the offense for Watson. I don't get the censored doing that as much, but I will say you're in this game and it doesn't feel like it 'cause it was such a defensive battle. And there were some goal line stands by Dallas. But I thought Watson played a lot more in rhythm and on schedule in this game, comparative preview. This weeks? No, I agree. And we talked about it on the deep dive show a little bit. I think they're trying to be more conservative with Watson, but realizing that it kind of it doesn't. It doesn't matter. I mean, you saw the shots he took tonight. I think only one of those was actually designed run. But he's getting hammered out there. Yeah. No, I had someone from the Redskins staff. They were on the twenty twelve rights can staff. He said to me recently, you know, everybody thinks that Robert Griffin and the read options or what did a man. It was never the read options. It was when he scrambled, and that's when QB's running. QB's really take their big hits. It's they're in a different mindset years, two different type of running and they're less apt to protect themselves. And that's something Watson's going to have to figure out. That's what separates Russell Wilson from a lot of guys, Russell Wilson stayed healthy throughout his career because he hasn't taken big hits. I understand what Watson was doing tonight. I understand a few of the goal line plays, and sometimes that's the nature of football and the nature this game, but it's a fine line to walk and he needs to walk it a little finer. So he can't get it hit as often as you did tonight. Not the way he got hit there. I mean, there was clearly something wrong with his ribs. We'll find out as the as the week goes on, but they have. They have buffalo coming. In next week, I do want to talk about a couple of key decisions in this game. The first one was and I hated this. I'll give you the two layered reason why hated this. The fourth thing goal from the, let's let's call it like the four inch line in at the end of the first half of the Texans had they're up ten, six at the time. Danbury Hopkins on third and goal had been head come up just short of the goal line. They went for it, which is fine. But they came out and shotgun if you're going to go shotgun on fourth and goal from the six inch line, you're basically making that into a two point diversion type of distance. You're taking away the advantage of being on the six inch line for the most part. So at that point, if you're going to come out and shock on just take the points. I mean, you're basically a ninety percent plane to sixty percent play. If you take the points now you're making the Cowboys. You who really couldn't do anything offensively tonight for the most part. Safer a couple of Dak Prescott superhuman plays. Now, I mean, you're, you're going in with a touchdown, lead on the Cowboys and getting the ball to start the second half. I mean, that's that's a pretty dominating position at that point. I agree that if you go see the advantage of going under center on a run because city take away the QB sneak, which probably would they did on one of the other goal lines woods, Antoine woods made a nice play their entire on Crawford did they got in the gaps. But if when you hand the ball off under center, the running back receives the ball as he's going downhill, downhill, momentum and shotgun. You lose that element because they're running backs next to the QB. So as I agree with you, it's a totally different type of run and obviously a lot of your shock and designs passes anyway. And we can debate whether that's the right move. The other thing is I don't love the idea of gambling at the end of the half. I mean when it works, it's wonderful and you go into halftime, and I'm sure you're banging the lockers and everything. And I understand there's a human side to this. This tactically schematically it's it's not a great decision because one of the benefits of Lou going for it on fourth down and goal, and let's say you lose and you can turn the ball over on downs. You still get a huge meal position swing 'cause they're backed up. And so you maybe a safety or you get the punt back and feel gold positional most? Well, that goes out the window fits at the end of the half. So I trick plays and gambles and fourth-down gambles at the end of the half. They're not as valuable and NBC. Did that graphic, do you know. X. percent amount of chance of winning if you get it this percent, if you don't this percent and it sounds like it was the right decision, but I almost bet you anything that graphic in the math behind. It didn't factor in the fact that Houston was getting the ball next opened the half and that there'd be no field position swing. Those are not equal fourth downs. A fourth engulfed, the into the half is very different than a fourth and goal at any other point in the game. That's a very good point. The other fourth-down decision of course came in overtime. Jason Garrett opting to punt the ball from the Texans forty two on the first possession of overtime. He's getting the amount of heat from it in the social media world, which is always also important because it apparently is what I don't know. Frings everyone's reference in media these days, but what did you what did you think of the decision anti? Yeah, I didn't love that decision either. It was what was what was the down into how there was one yard to go, wasn't his fourth and one at it seems to be a long one along with the decision. I didn't love the decision. They'd had so much success with Tehran Austin misdirection stuff. They'd they'd been thrown to their tight ends a little bit. They still have Zeki Elliott, and the power run game. I, if you fail on that, that's you can defensive battle you. I would still trust my defense to hold them. Houston would have had to go thirty five yards or so to get into field goal range. I'm trust in my defense in that scenario I would have gone forward. Yeah, no, I agree completely. I was turning this one over my head and I was thinking, well, if they really think the Shawn Watson is is completely banged up and isn't going to be able to do anything. Maybe they're thinking though they'll get the three and out and get the ball back around midfield and the, oh, you're mitigating from that point, but still. You know, it's, it's not like the Cowboys were, were Raymond the bowl down anyone's throat tonight, any way. So I thought they were in pretty good scoring position. And if they get the first down there, they're probably going to they're going to have a solid chance at a long field goal, the very least. And then you sort of take your chances if you think you're going to be able to hold the Texans and hampered desha Watson anyway, you take your chances with that and the and then you get your stop after the kickoff. The other thing, and I know we gotta get going to our next game, you're, but the other decision they got overlooked, totally in the flow of the game was decked Prescott on third down and long. Just third and seventeen. Just after the two minute warning he scrambled for seven yards and stepped out of bounds. And that was really bad Plum management because Houston had one time out at that point the it's now one forty nine left in the game. When Dallas has punting they could have run that down to one zero nine left or force the Texans to use your last time out. Then Houston's not driving and regulation at the end of regulation. It didn't matter because of the woods interception, but it was. It was really a young QB played by Prescott. He he should know better by now. Yeah, there there was a lot of bad situational football in this game, but it was Egner -taining and I, it was. It was fun to see. I don't know, not stop touchdowns for a while. I guess let's go onto the team that has sort of fueled the touchdown crave here that is the chiefs they be. The Jaguars handily in Kansas City today thirty two fourteen. This was a, this was more the defense, and this is gonna sound a little bit because this this game felt a little like week one when they beat the chargers, and then the chargers rolled up all these sort of garbage time yards on them. Jacksonville did end up with five hundred two yards. But ultimately, I, I mean, Blake Bortles had had foreigner sessions or five turnovers in this game by the Jaguars Bortles was uncomfortable all day. I have to say I was, I know they're talented in that chiefs pass rush, and I know they're not very good in the back end, especially when it comes to know tackling and whatnot. I thought the pass. I was excellent today. I thought Bortles was completely uncomfortable throughout the game. He seemed to have trouble literally just just ripping the ball when he was thrown through the rain, and they really, they really sort of sparked this up lake. Bortles meltdown type of performance. A story that has gone totally unnoticed is a few weeks ago. The Jaguars Lahser left tackle Cam Robinson went down from the season, and I thought he was one of the really good up and coming pass blocking tackles and football while when you're very much a schemed offense, and you run a lot of running concept. So by that, we also mean you're passing game comes out of your running game. Flying means something. It matters and you're not like a spread out. Quick strike offense where the ball's gonna be out in before anyone can get beat so haven't and Josh wells to his credits played pretty well and they're especially for an undrafted guys, a bell fifth year veteran, I believe. But when they faced talented, pass rushers a d. four-day adjust in Houston type that might come home to roost. Yeah, it was ultimately boils. This was sort of this was a classic bad Bortles game. If you haven't been fantasy, you're thrilled because he threw for four hundred thirty yards in this one because he dropped back seventy times or so. But he turned it over five times and they were. They were out of it before they could get back in it. Patrick Mahomes in throw a touchdown pass in this game. That's that should be a headline in of itself and was intercepted twice. So he is on the board as far as interceptions go the, yeah, this. I mean, the chiefs won a game. They've won game. In sort of different fashions. Each of the last two weeks in Monday night in Denver they had to come from behind in this one. It was really the defense that that helps set the tone. Not that the offense was was problematic, but chief, sir. Chiefs are good, I guess, is my point. This is a big win for them as a team moving forward because at defense, the call them a morale factor. I mean, these are professionals, so let's not over blow that, but I'm sure it feels good for the collective organization that they won. This type of game on the strength of the defense for a change. Before we move on here, you know, as we covered a little bit earlier lining up in shotgun on fourth and goal from the six inch line at the end of the first half, not so smart. Also, these job sites that send you tons of the wrong resumes to sort through. That's not smart, but you know, what is smart, go to ZipRecruiter dot com, slash things to hire the right person. ZipRecruiter doesn't depend on candidates finding you. It finds them for you. 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They got along fumble return TV TD from Limbaugh Joseph. They got a, they force the Jay Ajayi fumble and deepen their own territory late and they hang on for a twenty three twenty one win in this one. And, and I'm gosh, they, they needed this one. Yeah, they did need this one who would have guessed that Lindvall. Joseph has breakaway speed. I remember when I was a kid, Keith tr- I want to say is Keith Traylor is either him or Ted wash trailer for the for the bears, recovered a fumble, ran it back and dick and Berg and perfect timing as Keith. And yet all kinds of time because it's trailer running it back. So he could have actually made a few calls on this, but he said, look at him rumble, and I thought it was the greatest call. I've ever heard. I wished dick Enberg were there to do the Lynnville Joseph run back, but it really wasn't a rumble so much trailer at the time back. Then he looked like a nose tackle running Lynnville. Joseph looked like a strong side linebacker running down the field with the ball. That was that was like a middle distance runner right there. It was. It was incredibly impressive how we maintain that speed throughout the. Throughout the entire way down the field as well. Jenny Rentis was actually on the scene and found out after the after the game, the oxygen mask you had on after after that whole thing wasn't pumping any oxygen. It was broken so he didn't even have advantage of of that. But yeah, that was he probably didn't know that she's probably hasn't run far enough in a game to need the oxygen mask before. So of this sucks. It's to do anything on the Miller old shoes in this that was, it really was legitimately impressive for whatever he is three, twenty three, twenty five these days to run at at pretty much full speed for you. You know, that was that was that was what those sixty four yards on that fumble return. So nice play by Lindahl. Joseph Vikings events looks like they're sorted writing the ship here or yellow. A little bit of his also eagles are not quite hitting their stride as an offense with with Carson Wentz lineup eagles are working progress right now offensively I think the other side of the ball you meant you touched on it because that's where this game was decided those Viking white receivers. Those guys play every week. They play up to their ability every week in atom feeling he can prove it. He's got the record for consecutive games over one hundred yards to start a season. If five has there been over the course, let's say a three year period here with Adam Phelan has there ever been a guy that has improved as steadily and as drastically as Adam Phelan has at a skill position, nevertheless? Yes. Yeah. No, I can't think of anyone. It's it's been. It's been incredible rise and he's still rising. His age. I remember I think I've shared this a year ago or so, but his agent told with the Vikings, one to negotiate feelings contract us. This is when Adam feeling was like their number four guy and his agent advised against it and said, I know your work ethic and I think you're going to continue to get better. I wouldn't do that agent said, you'd have to say that for everybody's, there are some guy usually agent and he says, yeah, go get that money. Now he said, I think you ought to wait and feeling wound up, signing the big deal after having a huge season. He probably did a little bit too early. Even them now gotten better over the last two years. So if agents Blake Baratz for what it's worth, I think he's a Minneapolis based agent. In fact, Adam feelings of Minnesota guy. I love, but theline is a true number one receiver. I mean, let's be on people have these stereotypes about white wide receivers, and we think, oh, it's just a fundamentals guy. Adam Phelan is an ex Aycell dominant fast athletic diner. Mamik player who also happens to be a great fundamentals guy. He's as good as any wide receiver in the NFL there were, there were a handful of throws in this game. I don't want to call them like they're not go get it throws like, you know, put it up as a contested, catch the chemistry between cousins and feelings feeling and digs is is phenomenal and cousins just kind of thrown to spots at this point. There's sort of these long arching lob throws and just he's putting it right where his receivers are going to they, they feeling had had his way with Jalen mills a little bit and Ronald Darby on a couple of plays. But this this passing game is is clicking. It's kinda like if defense was just playing like it was playing a year ago, we'd have a real. We'd have a real headliner here in Minnesota, but still still working out some kinks on the other side of the ball, which we thought it would be the other way around. Let's go. Let's go out to Seattle where the Rams continue their dominance of the NFC west, but this was not easy. This was a two issues in this game for the Rams. Well, a couple issues in this game for the Rams, but one of them was they lost Brandin cooks, n Cooper Cup to concussions during the game which left them somewhat hamstrung, but they still move the ball, right? And when they needed to score points at score points, ended up coming back and winning this one, thirty, three thirty one in Seattle, but Marcus Peters got picked on in this game, they they beat him on at least three double moves. Two of them ended up being long touchdowns. Another one ended up being a illegal contact call, but they went after Marcus Peters and they got him. And that's how the Seahawks jumped out to a lead in this one. Well, what did we say when Peters came along and join to leave knows out of this game, but we said he's a double edged sword. And if you're going to have. Marcus Peters at corner, you need a good pass, rush that gets home on time for his aggressive cornerback in style to work. And if if that pass rush, does not get home on time, then Peters become susceptible to double moves. And when you face Russell Wilson as much as it drives me crazy with how often the the ball is not thrown on time or on schedule. Well, that can work for your favor against the cornerback like Peter's because now if you take it off schedule, he's not the same corner. Most corners are not, but he's even more of an extreme example there. So I know the Rams pass rushes has put up good numbers this season and the pressure rates and all that stuff. They don't have addresses scare people still Gary. They don't. They have to really good interior rushers. But Matt long acre has not been a big factor. Ed Buchanan is a rotational guy. They just don't have the edge benders. And I think at some point that's going to become an issue for them. And maybe we start seeing the first signs of it. It in some fashion here today. Yeah, and you know, it's kind of a shame that the Seahawks loss Earl, Thomas. They're not going to be good on the back end and you know, I don't know if they have enough defensively to to make any sort of run at the wildcard at this point, but they found a running game. I mean, that kind of is what set the tone a little bit early in this game and maybe had the pass rush back on its heels just a little bit. I mean they ran thirty two times one hundred ninety yards in this game and Russell Wilson. Naveh single, rushing attempt, which is which is shocking if you've watched the Seahawks play over the last well, basically since marshawn Lynch left. So you know, they had Chris Carson and Mike Davis rotating, and they, they ran the ball. They ran the ball affectively and and I think it's going to be a better offense going forward. It's just the defensive sliding back now and they started running the ball effectively a few weeks ago. This isn't just something that happened today. This hasn't been gradually building. We've seen their offensive line starting to play a little more chemistry. I know last week they gave a read option. Look in the running game on nineteen different snaps. Now, Russell Wilson does not run the ball much himself and you said he didn't run it all in this game today, but they're leveraging Wilson's threat as a runner, which is what is just as important as him running to a large degree. So what we're describing Gary, we're, we're talking about an identity now for Seattle's offense were saying characteristics that comprised their approach which we have in had before. And I think run I approach has always been the best way to play with Russell Wilson because it lends itself most naturally to his unique skill set. And this was a, you know, like I said, this was a solid win for the Rams. This is a game. They lost to starting receivers. Jared, Goff got picked off a couple of times. They had to gut this one out they had to come from behind. They were down touchdown going into the fourth quarter end up getting the last two scores of the game. So nice to nice. The Rams can can come back and win if they have to hear. Not that we didn't think that would be the case. But now you've seen it. Let's go buffalo. And I mean that in every sense of the phrase bills get their second with the season and it is just it's, it's ridiculous. It was exactly how you'd think a a bills titans game would go except maybe that the bills came out on top that might have been an unexpected for people. I watched a lot of scheme. One thing is there is a guy in the stands in buffalo with no shirt on and considerably sized body, a big fat guy in the end zone and and he kept, did you see him? No. Oh, you got all excited. Oh, I know. Yeah, you saw two, you said considerably sized. It sounded like you were going to like you were coming up with a PC way of calling this stranger who's probably not listen to the show a a big fat guy, and I appreciate the phase big fat guy. He's wearing no shirt, and you could see them in the end zone angle. And you know what I love about the guy is he wore nursed no-shirt the whole game. It wasn't not. I don't know what the temperature was not a sunny day. They're sixty two degrees here, so that's okay. But yeah, the had its breast. He had a breast cancer awareness ribbon painted right in the middle of the stomach because October, no. No, he's getting in the spirit of it. Look, it's looking. They were promoting the awareness and the pink ribbon. So I guess is mission worked. He on brand. We'll see if he doesn't military one in in November or whatever. They do. What do we make a buffalo, Gary. We, I think we agreed there still the least talented team in football yet they've beaten the probably the best team in the NFC north or certainly one of them in Minnesota, and they beaten the leading team of the AFC south. Now. Two and three. It's an impressive, two and three. I'm going to let Jack you're the Buffalo Bills guy. No. I mean, look, this is this is their path to victory. This is how they won games last year to for what it's worth. Now. Granted they, they had a worse Rosser than they had a year ago 'cause they lost a couple of, you know, they lost Eric, would they lost routine cognitive, oh, Josh Allen is is a better long-term investment than tyrod Taylor. But you know, he's he's very green at this point, but this was this was how they did it. They they won the turnover battle three to one. I mean, this is a game that had what buffalo at two hundred twenty three yards of offense. Titans had two hundred twenty one. This was kind of a yellow. This was a buffalo Winston Housego finishing it in style. That's how the bills win games with with late field goals and games in the in the teens here. So y'all, this is. Like we said, well, coached team. I think you know, look, Sean McVay is probably the best head coach in football right now. Bill Belichick as well. I think Sean McDermott is the most underappreciated really good head coach in football right now. It's because he can. He can milk this officiency out of what is a bad roster. It's a team that maybe should have won a total of ten games over over last year and this year to entire seasons, and they're already at what like eleven. This guy is hard. It's shows up on film every week, and I know they were disappointed with their effort against Green Bay last week, and it was on characteristic of them. Josh Allen dropped back to pass twenty times in this game as long as completion traveled all thirteen yards. They ran the ball forty three times and on that final drive, the only got one hundred and forty four yards out of it. So three point, three yards a carry, nothing longer than sixteen, and yet they stayed committed to the run game on that final drive. They got the ball with the tick under five minutes to go. And they ran the ball on eight out of ten plays and just marched down to kick a game winning forty six yard field goal. So they could run the ball when they needed to as well imposing grounding. Chris ivory had several huge conversions. I think it'll Shawn McCoy is he's at least ninety percent of what he used to be. I don't think he's washing up at all. You can use one of the league's best still. I love the approach that they take. Now we're talking about hiding their QB. But right now. They have a QB they have to hide because it's very obvious Josh l. and he's not ready to be out there is out there because they don't have an Alex Smith in front of him. So they have to play music best chance. But he does not understand yet the nuances, a certain length nuances, even some of the big pieces of coverages and he doesn't understand how plays are designed to beat coverages. I'm sure he's aware that they are, but he is learning how these things actually work, and he's got a ways to go. They're going to have to keep running the football every single week which they haven't done in previous weeks. They did it in this game. They did nice job. Yeah. No, like you mentioned, I've really appreciated the fact that they stuck with the run on that final drive because how many teams down two points with with less than five minutes to go. You know, you get a little bit urgent and look. You should get urgent because you're trailing in a game last five minutes. And I was sitting there kind of thinking like, oh, this is it. They're just they're playing this like it's the last drive and they're either going to get into field goal range or they're gonna come up short and they're gonna. Hjelm they're gonna give the ball back and that's going to be it. They ran eleven, please to go forty seven yards in the final four minutes, forty, three seconds. That's a, that's a non traditional game winning drive. No k in the eleventh one was just Josh Allen. Centering the ball for the field goal. It was. It was, yeah, it's definitely a non traditional drive. I was impressed by again, that's they're going to have to play that way every week. Let's go it Lanta at Pittsburgh. We were looking for a shootout in this one and the Steelers delivered on their end of the bargain. This one was was a forgetful day for the falcons offense and continues to be forgettable times for the falcons defense. I guess you know, if you're the sealers you're feeling pretty good about this one that got the run game going. Again. They really committed to James Connor early. He ended up with the twenty one rushes for one hundred ten yards and two scores in this game, and they were clearly forcing the ball to Antonio Brown to try and smooth of that stuff out. And it didn't quite work in the first apple. They really got to go in the second half. How do you feel about that? Do you? Is that the right way to do that I mean? Or is that a little bit like appeasing spoilt child? I never like when teams do that. My so my theory, this I was looking at falcons and I feel like, you know, see Sarkisian came in a year ago and they kind of said, well, we look at Julio Jones doesn't catch the ball in the red zone. We gotta start getting the ball, the Julio Jones in the red zone. They were really good in the red zone in two thousand sixteen once they made a concerted effort to feed the one player in the red zone. That's when they got into trouble. Then they started to get away from it like they are now and they're scoring in the red zone with with tremendous frequency again overall. No, I think it makes no sense to it. It's it's slightly detrimental to force throws to a guy the way the were reporting it to an Tonio Brown today, although they hit on a couple of big plays in the second half, I should say it started anyone else. Anyone else, and we're going to talk about. Oh, Beckham here in a minute. Tuesday, We're in the wide receiver divas section of the show. And by the way, I guess shame on us. We didn't mention de'andre Hopkins at all. And that first segment we in Hughes l. he he was. He was the guy that won the game. I mean, he was, he was unbelievable tonight, and he's not a diva. He is everything you'd want a wide receiver. But I've seen too many times rothlisburger has thrown the ball to Brown win. The coverage dictates. You absolutely should not. And it's gone really well for the Steelers and Browns made the play. And I even had a conversation rothlisburger about that before and he says, yeah, you have different rules for Tonio Brown. That's to be expected. So I don't know. I think I'm fine with them force feeding the ball to Brown. Because it's worked more often than it hasn't. There was one play today and that will wrap up this game. But I just want to point out this tweet because I don't get many tweets that I like. I got a couple of good ones this this past weekend from the and even white fan club. But I, I do wanna point out. There was a play at the end of the first half Steelers, had it deep, you know, gold ago situation, Rothlisberger roll out on a play. Couldn't find anyone he's rolling left ended up lobbing it into the middle of the end zone into the general area where Antonio Brown was not only double covered, but there was enough time for a third defender to come over and demotic as he jumped up and and basically the lob pass and it was just an absurd play. But Brian canter husband by the way, a bet Marcin. One of our favorite editors at the sent the tweet Ben Rothlisberger just played five hundred in the red zone during an NFL game that was very, that was very appropriate for our show. Andy. Absolutely. Five hundred just a hail Mary, that's that's all it is. It's hit was ridiculous play, but now I get it. Now I understand the game. I don't understand the game. I still have a lot of questions. I'm starting to believe. Maybe it exists, but we'll get into that another time. Let's go giants at Carolina. I guess. Let's let's kind of us Oto Beckham as a and his comments as a jumping off point here. We'll even set aside the fact that he probably not things that are worth saying publicly. I think everyone realized the giants were having issues, especially in the offensive side of the ball. But y'all. Oh, he was. He was kinda right. They are not making big plays or they hadn't been making big plays of the first four games of the season. How much of it was ally manning just I don't know if he's shell shocked or or he just seems to be especially conservative when that was never really his MO in the past. I mean, even when it was bad Eli manning at times in the past, it was never because he was a super-conservative player. Well, yeah, manning takes what the defense gives him a lot of the time. That's just been his approach and. I don't think he trusts his offensive line right now and so taking what the defense gives them. He's probably doing it a little bit quicker than he normally would. And yet it's been a Dink and dunk passing game. But let's not pretend this interview is anything short of just look at me diva act by this is exactly why they didn't get paid right away because they were worried that this exact kind of thing was going to happen. And the fact that he's doing this interview with you'll see Anderson who does a nice job. She's broken other Beckham stories before the fact that little Wayne is just sitting there next to him, tells you everything you need to know about the at least is credit. There was nothing credible or legitimate about the presentation of that interview from Beckham side of things. So I don't understand. I find the giants. I'm absolutely furious about it. He just got paid tens of millions of dollars. I'm absolutely livid about it. Find the giants privately. I'm not saying publicly. So we are. We are going to talk about the appropriateness of the interview I look at. I think that's kind of life at this point. I think it's twenty eight one kind of life little Wayne sitting next little late sitting next to you at an interview where you you vaguely criticize your quarterback. I think that's this is twenty eighteen. I think these are the guys you get in two thousand eighteen. I think it's it's a different generation of of young men coming into the league at this point. I few years ago I was supposed to meet little Wayne. I had he came to Boise and he had I was supposed to meet a little weight. I had back stage passes to concert and he came to Boise this. He was about maybe six months before he became he for while there. He was most famous rapper in America. Oh yeah. So this was about six months before that. So he was rising. He was the atom Phelan of rappers. You know, he was really good by them, but not everybody saw quite yet. But I go to the concert. He doesn't show up till like eleven. I was late and he's supposed to be there. Ten go on a ten, it's eleven o'clock. So I got tired and win. Hoists, forget it. It's not worth it. I left before he. I heard he later hurt. He won the shown up around one in the morning through his own concerts, I guess, is like kind of cool to do. I think it's just an asked move if you're hosting something that people paid for, but he wound up getting arrested backstage for an outstanding warrant. He had in Georgia, and it was kind of a big story at the time. So I was really elated not wish that up on them, but I was glad because it validated my decision to go home early. And I felt like less of an old man at is this story is insane. I can't really process at the moment, but I think it's clear. You have a personal grudge against little Wayne. And if there were any other rapper sitting next Oto junior interview, you probably wouldn't have had the same reaction. I don't understand. And why it's cool to go onstage late at your own concert like that late. It's a showmanship thing. Well, although if he was if he was trying to avoid being arrested on a warrant, maybe there were other things going on then and now they think about it. Maybe he never. I pretty sure hurt he went on. I definitely got arrested that night. Maybe that was why he was late. Maybe I got the arrest order wrong, whatever was I would have gotten to beat him anyway. So I went home and save myself quite a bit of time. Man. This one's this one's going to take awhile. I'm gonna have to listen to the show on Monday morning and really figure out what I think about this. But back to the back to the non little Wayne aspects of this game, the giants. I thought the giants were much better offensively in this game. I think it was reflected in the fact that the score points, but I think there were more aggressive throwing downfield they, they had a trick play Oto Beckham junior throws a touchdown to saquon Barkley which is very exciting and they got Beckham going a little bit more. They got him over the top on a thirty three yard. Touchdown of this looked a little bit more like what we thought they'd be authencity when they added Barclay to the mix and they got Beckham back in the lineup. Yeah, it's just I think you've got to tread lightly overall still if you can't block it off. If you don't trust your off of line, then you have to make combinations. Now what we could say his, should they make more the accommodations that the tech. Are making for their offensive line and go is six and seven man protections and run two and three receiver routes, old ill Beckham, Saint. He wants to go down field against cover to rather than Dink and dunk against cover to on your prey, not getting covered to if you're getting six and seven man protection. I don't know. Maybe it will, but. You know, it's just it's raises the question, how much do you have to amend your offense to camouflage deal line? What what's different is the Texans have a young QB who probably isn't quite consistent yet at getting the ball out quickly and the giants have won who has mastered that. And I think it makes it more tempting to coaches to take the eight yard gains again. And again, what did they definitely should not do those let their diva wide receiver sitting next to a little Wayne dictate the game plan. He so the the headline of this game outside of outside a little Wayne was, was Graham Gano wins it with a sixty three yarder as time expires, which just seems really unfair considering the giants lost to Jake Elliott and the eagles on a sixty one yarder week three last year. But the sixty three yard winds it. The giants had been appointed at that point. So if go does not hit from sixty three Panthers, don't win it. But yeah, Panthers took advantage of a of a couple of mis communications with the giants. Defense giants looked a little bit messy on the back end. They didn't. The communication was good Christian McCaffrey at one point ran wide open for a touchdown. Yeah, but this was this was certainly the the Panthers clawed back in this one and end up getting it. They also had a giants head to head a special teams mishap that led to a touchdown off of a punt where Beckham. Was returning punts today. He got hit in the, he'll trying to block a dude who's trying to down a ball inside the ten, then ginormous Jenkins sorta shoveled it backwards and then ally apple kicked in the end zone and the Panthers fell on it that kind of day for the for the giants Panthers. Somebody got got away with a with one a little bit here, but let's go Miami at Cincinnati. This one was wild as well. Dolphins got day, you know, Bengals drove early dolphins forced to turn over in the red zone and yell. By the time, it's a half time. They get educated Grant Long, punt return and seventeen nothing. And it looks like Miami's going to hang on. But I mean this one, this one came apart at the seams for them Bengals sorta clawed back and then got two defensive touchdowns in the fourth quarter, right? Tannehill I don't know, man, he kind of looks like he forgets. There's people trying to tackle him when he's in the pocket. Sometimes. That's. Thoughtfully harshest, and that's a that's a damning statement on his pocket presence. I like the fact that he hangs in the pocket. He just seems like he just seems to sorta hold the ball out at his side at the wrong times, and sort of doesn't doesn't really have the correct sense of timing at when someone is closing in on him. That's the last two weeks. No, I hear you. That I, first of all that first touchdown, the Michael Johnson, that's that's a fluky touchdown, wouldn't you say. Little bit. Yeah. I mean, it deflected and went right to him. Yes. The other one. I mean, I'm watching as we're talking. I'm watching the Carlos Dunlap play with Sam Hubbard. I hear what you're saying. These forcing the ball downfield. We gotta understand in this situation. They're down by three with two and a half minutes to go. Yeah. You might your quarterbacking that a little bit differently than you would normally and he's trying to make a plane. Is he trying to do too much? Maybe probably, but we don't know what he's looking at downfield we don't know what he's seeing. I don't know. Overall, I've been fine with the way tannahill has played this season, but I think he's very much a complimentary QB and they need to have a complete offense around him. Yeah. Now I'm just bummed out about this one on my dolphins. We're going for and one. They are not nice win for the Bengals. Oh, Bengals Steelers is a big one next week. I mean, it's always a big one, but it's it's especially big one if Steelers have have sort of gotten the ship right here. I mean, this is. It looks like these might be the two teams that are battling out in the AFC north. Well, I I know Baltimore did not win today, but I think we ought to include Baltimore in that converts. I think it's a four team race right now. Yeah. Well, let's before we get to that Baltimore Cleveland game, which will which will lead off the lightning round. Let's let's talk a little bit about Arizona gets on the board. Everyone's one. Now everyone has a win this year. That is a. That is a nice thing. Everyone should Pat themselves on the back for for winning one NFL game. This season cardinals get a seventy five yard touchdown, Josh Rosen the Christian. Kirk start this game. And then it was kind of a kind of slog Andy was kind of a slog Adrian Colbert at free safety blew the play on that seventy five yard touchdown. I don't know what went through his mind. I play the game too, but yeah, you thought, okay, here we go. The Josh Rosen show two weeks in a row. Some of us even thought we might be writing a certain extra point article about it, and and then Josh Rosen does. He didn't look very good. I mean, just I don't say did absolutely nothing, but they'd offense does not have a running game, and he was not as accurate this week in Arizona one, this one on the strength of their defense. And I know it's against a kind of short handed Niners team in CJ. Beathard certainly has limitations at quarterback, but that was a nice showing by Arizona's defense and what was encouraging. Chandler Jones was utterly dominant from one, but Hassan Rettig got to play almost every snap, which is nice to see me. It's nice to have your first round picks on the can say. We haven't seen him very much. No, we haven't. It's been bizarre. It came in came the expensive day, owned Buchanan, another young kind of recent first round pick, but they're sorting out their linebacker rotation. They're, they're sorting out what they're doing. It number two cornerback opposite opposite. Patrick Peterson, they got been. They been wicker in there. Steve Wilks head coach clearly wants guys who he trusts, which every coach does. But I think in this case, it's he wants. Guys, what he knows exactly what they're going to do if that means a less talented guy. And I know he's going to be less talented, but I also know that he knows what we're asking him to do. I think they're willing to live with that and we could have a philosophical discussion at some point, Gary, tonight's not the moment for it, but is that good coaching or should a good coach say, you know what? That guy that Hassan Radic who's ten times more athletic than Gerald. Hodges our backup. We're gonna. We gotta get him right. We can't just say, well, Hodges knows what he's doing. We're gonna play Hodges or banana wicker knows what he's doing. We're going to play him over Jomar Taylor, who we signed a free agency. We need to coach our talent, and that's a fine line to walk into a worthy discussion to have, but maybe it solves it self overtime. If read it keeps getting reps, but I don't know. I'm just, I don't know what's going on in Arizona to be honest. I know they won the game today, but I don't know exactly. I can't see a play. Dan in place right now for what they're doing? Yeah. I mean, I, you know, I think it's the kind of thing where we'll wait till the end of the year and sort of see how these guys progress. It's been baffling the he lack of Buchanan and Rettig to this point has been has been confusing. Maybe there's a method and among others other things. I just don't. If you ask me to identify Arezzo owners identity on offense or defense right now, I would have trouble coming up. I tell you what Steve Wilks is identity was with the Panthers last year, but they haven't been doing. They've done a little bit, but they haven't committed to that. So I think they want to go in a different direction that identity just in case anyone's one. He was fires on blitzes. Basically they play cover three zone with one less guy, and that one less guy becomes an edge Blitzer and they've got a guy here that can do that in Buddha, Baker, they've done it some. I just don't know what the identity is, and I've heard people criticize at least on offense. Mike McCoy. That's something he's been criticized for around the NFL bef- before is just kind of cobbled together offense. What's the identity of it? They're sorting it out. Yeah, there. I didn't think they were. That far away when this year started, but look, maybe they were more realistic in their expectations of their themselves, which is, I guess something to be said for, I don't know being honest with yourself when you're assessing your Rosser and if they don't like the roster, it's gonna be a while. Lightning's around Andy. You're ready for it. Right as I can be for lightning round where on the first game, so we can go quickly on that and maybe actually go lightning here. Well, we did bolt Baltimore, Cleveland points at a premium in this one only one touch on this game, and they missed the point after after that. So it ended up being twelve, nine Browns win it in overtime. They actually missed out on a. They went for a fourth in medium and overtime didn't get it and ended up getting the ball back and coming right back down there. They played a lot of possessions in overtime here. So. Kicking Browns, have done overtime games this season. Maybe this almost played a full extra game. They really have, and they just had such a bizarre year and not only because of the Browns, but it's just minutes, strange ear, the games they played in the twists and turns in this game, they blocked the Justin Tucker field goal. I mean, that's kind of maybe was the difference in this one getting overtime. You say the old butterfly effect thing? I mean, he was the end of the first half who knows how the second apples out, but that was a big deal. Yeah, I'll be really to see the coaches film on this the all twenty two because of how diverse in disguise oriented and aggressive Baltimore is with their safeties and Baker Mayfield. At times he's read the field like a ten year veteran Egal Weil. I see it. And then other times he's looked very much like a rookie anything. I hope he learns from that and this'll be telling game road. I mean, it's not going to be telling going to be a final indictment or anything of that on Mayfield, but it'll be interesting to see how he handled everything that Baltimore through it him in this game. Yeah. I mean, not only that he had to sort of extend someplace because Terrell suggs had his way with Desmond Harrison on on one edge and the Mayfield had to make some things happen and he did and they end up getting win number two. And, and I'm just glad they are winning games because we're eventually going to move past the point where we all sort of. You know, sort of start cast clapping, the Browns wind and recognize that this team is, I mean, this team has more talent than the titans or the bills did a year ago. They should be competing for the playoffs. So th yet to wins, go win more games. Go win game, stopping joke. Packers at lions lions. Beat Tom Brady couple of weeks ago. Now they have beat Aaron Rodgers. This team is the steam is strange officiant offense again, they they kind of let the Packers back into it. Got a little bit Harry at the end, but y'know they they got, they got a little bit going on the ground. Matthew Stafford was was officiant enough and yeah, they they jumped out in this game early and just sorta held on. They were twenty four, nothing at halftime end up being a thirty one twenty three final. We don't talk special teams very much, but we we have to acknowledge the fact in Green Bay had what four misfield goals in the neck missed extra point, four misfield goals in thi. This was indoors and these are all MRs base and crossing miss from forty one forty two thirty eight and fifty six Mr. PAT he ended up making a forty one yard field goal with two seconds left, which I guess I, I never know what to think about the yellow when you need the touchdown in the field goal and what are you at first and that sort of thing. But I'm kind of glad they've let him kick that one. So he could get on the board. But I mean, they may have just on that to get his to get his confidence going again, if he missed. I mean, it was it was something else. And I, I have no idea. Again, it's indoors they, they weren't blocked kicks. He has a new holder this year. I don't know if that's playing into it is all, but but it, you know, it had been niche you coming into this week. Something weird happened with with Mason Crosby though. Yeah, and it's, it's it's I think it should be taken into account when analysing these teams is yes, Detroit, they won the game and that matters in the Gary grambling's got him going to the NFC championship game. I can't believe drought this game and the lightning round because of that. But Green Bay also left thirteen points on the board or let's call a tent since a fifty. Six yarder is that's a lot to ask of a guy. So you know what's what to see these teams play again? Yes, we'll, we'll see they'll, they'll play one more time. I'm just saying the lions were the lines were in control the game they were. They were converting touchdowns you're so that's, that's the name of the game. Andy, don't just gather yards and and and automatically get your points got to score touchdowns Denver at New York Jets. The Broncos are a mess on the road. The Broncos might be a mess overall, but the Broncos were were hammered in this one good for the jets. Getting back on track. This was we've been kind of waiting to see if they've let Sam darnold actually opened things up a little bit and take some chances downfield they didn't this one. He had a couple of long second quarter touchdowns to Robbie Anderson. The most bizarre part of this game though, was Isaiah Crowell. Crowell ended up rushing fifteen times for two hundred nineteen yards. He had like he had a seventy seven yard touchdown run. He had a fifty six yard run yet like a thirty four yard run. I mean he was he was like a fifteen to nineteen is like a superstar receiver type day. And this was all these were handoffs and a perfect timing for me. Just weeks after I declared Denver possibly a top five run defense in the NFL. This teams should not be happening to the Bronx. Any team that has Derek will von Miller dome atop Petco Todd Davis, and Brandon Marshall upfront as part of their front seven. You can't be getting gouged that way Broncos one in nine on the road under Vance. Joseph. Now, you know, at the one win was. Give me a hint. Gosh, what's what's a hint? He was a Thursday night game. I'll say that. On the roses chargers? Nope. Thursday night they won in Indianapolis. The colts were coming off a snow game in buffalo that lost a over time, verse all all orange, orange outfits, verse blue outfits. I remember I watched God and I usually watch Thursday night on TV, but the last year for Kim Kimber why? But I watched that one on film instead, and that was a good, good. It's really good designer pressure concepts. If I recall some gap exchanges some stunts and twist the coke, I'll sped or the cones. The cult also came into that game is banged up as they were going into this past Thursday night game. I guess my point is the Broncos have been really crummy on the road the last year plus now. Yeah, they struggle at regular elevation. That's their problem. They do. They do. They need some this fake ox, oxygen masks that Limbaugh Joseph gets. All right. Last one here chargers beat the raiders I, I'm not quite sure what to you know, I I was trying to like some up this game in my head before we came on. I, I just don't know what to say about it. The charge just sort of they came out. They kick the field goal raiders mash them in the second quarter, and then the charges disorders steadily pulled away. They were. They just kinda looked like, you know what a top twenty five team versus like some also ran at the bottom of their division in college football. I it just the better team pulled away and won this one rather handily. Well, we don't need to go to deepen this again. Just know this about the raiders are rotating at just about every single position except to Tahir Whitehead spot. And that tells you everything about their talent. Poke Gunther to be fair. He likes to rotate their d. coordinator. He did that a little bit in Cincinnati to. I've talked to him about that. I've asked him about, he says, yeah, guys deserve to play. You want everyone involved and you never know when someone gets hurt, you need someone else to be ready to go. So there's a philosophy behind it, but Paul Guenther is not rotating if Khalil Maxon there is not rotating if he's still got Gino Atkins didn't rotate Dunlap a whole lot in since he doesn't have enough guys right now on defense. All right thing of the week, Andy. Do you wanna go first or should I? You had better go first because I am. I will admit, I am totally prepared to into why does this catch you by surprise every weekend? He, you know, what's? What's weird as well as this year, I find myself making mental notes during the day like, oh, I'm gonna nominate that guy for my special teams player of the week tonight or this defense. And I always used to forget to do that as well. And now I'm remembering it and it doesn't matter. It came up with Justin Tucker last week as my the week because I had I had thought my special teamer of the week. You were just a year too late on all this. I'm a just one thing I noticed today was just weird. Red zone struggles for teams. Andy, Dalton threw a red zone, pick rothlisburger through, you know, the the, the five hundred ball in the red zone. Derek Carr got picked off by Melvin Ingram. Throwing back over the middle after rolling left from like the one yard line. A lot of weird red zone play, and then all the Texans struggles down there. A lot of weird red zone play and missed opportunities. Oh, and we the Jaguars I almost neglected to mention the Jaguars get stopped on a fourth and goal from the one yard line. And then the next time around Blake, Bortles. I, I think the ball slipped out of his hand on a little a little pass, play deepen chiefs territory, but he basically bounced pass off of his offense of lyman's helmet and into the hands of. I think it was a season. Nelson came up with it for the chiefs, but weird turnovers and and failed plays in deep red zone situations today. That's what my thing of the week would be cornerback, especially slot cornerback blitzes in edged blitz isn't it feels like teams are doing that so much more defensively. Now. It's not just a third down tactic, either the Niners do it. Now they're labor, supposedly cover three defense. We're seeing more and more teams do that. And I think it's a good way to defend outside zone runs. So it's a blitz which can impact the quarterback, but it doubles as a run tactic. I know Ron Rivera feels that way and Carolina's probably why he let Steve Wilks do all those edge blitz his last year, but more teams are blitzing their slot anymore. The slot corner is a quasi linebacker pass rusher type guys in a lot of schemes now. Yeah. No, that's a. That's a good thing in the weekend. You came through. You can always just do your words if you want. That would feel lonely. I'd be the only one saying it. I'll back you up. So then we'd have to hear your awards as well navy, algae, I'll I'll second. 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1996 Redraftables: Kobe, Iverson, Nash, Allen, and the Draft That Changed Everything With Ryen Russillo | Book of Basketball 2.0

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1996 Redraftables: Kobe, Iverson, Nash, Allen, and the Draft That Changed Everything With Ryen Russillo | Book of Basketball 2.0

"Today's episode of the Book Basketball to point out on the ringer podcast network. The first episode season two is brought to you by a couple of charity organizations that we love world central kitchen right now. We're facing an unprecedented mercy. Unlike anything this country has experienced beyond the health impacts of the cove in nineteen corona virus. Our economy has ground to a halt the reality star but simple millions of Americans have out of work and struggling to put food on the table for their families. But that doesn't mean this moment is not without hope. World Central Kitchen has seen what's possible they fought on the front lines. Japan and California deploying systems to deliver meals to quarantine cruise ship passengers. Their relief team is now serving. Nearly one hundred thousand meals every day across the country. They need you together. Hashtag chefs for America. Make sure nobody is left behind. 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He's are important times If you have the means do what you can for the people at there okay. We're also brought to you by the Ringer. Dot Com and the ringer podcast network. Where we're still trying to crank out a bunch of content including this week on the ringer dot com the greatest TV characters of the twenty first century. We did a whole bracket so you can check that out as well as all the pods. Were doing this idea that you're about to hear started because Ryan Russillo and I wanted to redraft the two thousand draft which is the worst draft of all time. We'd been talked about doing it for a while. We decided to get a little more ambitious. We redrafted the nine hundred ninety six draft I and II conic. Nba draft either the first or second greatest draft of all time. That's what you're about to hear. We did this on my podcast but going forward on this feed for season to season two. We never even knew we're going to do until the Corona virus thing hit the point. Where it's like. Well what US Regular Dome Quarantine? Who met his will redraft every draft. So we're starting with nineteen ninety six this week on the Book Basketball. Pied you her. Ninety seven. Ninety eight and ninety nine is all coming this week and then we'll be moving to two week after that so this is the first one who did. We did me Ryan Russillo. The nineteen ninety-six Draft. The redraft redraft the Palooza here on book a basketball 2.0. But first TIC TAC and Melatonin Basketball should fast fast fast. All Right Sundays with Ryan Russillo. You know I was going to save this part of the Pied until later and do a bunch of current event stuff. I but I'm the kind of guy if I have a president. I JUST WANNA give it to somebody later the same thing. When I got engaged I was supposed to get engaged with my wife at dinner. I had the ring the night before. We're in my basement and I ended up just kind of just saying fuck it and I gave her the ring the night before I was supposed to I. I'm a guy likes to hand out presents. This is a president. We are redrafting every single. Nba draft from ninety six on starting. Today in this podcast. Now we're going through. We'RE GONNA run off on book a basketball but one of them is going to be Priscilla's this week we have already banked ninety seven ninety eight ninety nine. Russillo is on a couple of them and And now we're doing this one and I I didn't have to twist your arm to do this. I'll say that this is this is one of my favorite ones all the different story lines of this though. But you know how it's connected You know Larry Round come to Philly. The year after this cow being with New Jersey and the whole Kobe storyline Patino. And the the back and forth Larry Brown and that whole story in Patino comes into next year and all the money that those guys were pulling down at the time was like astronomical than Patino contract was crazy but all of that stuff is connected and when you go through this Iverson was clearly the number one guy but there is when we redraft this redraft this for real. I wanted to go first because the the number one is very obvious with Kobe. But there's a real question of of what why how far down should Iverson go right? How far behind some of these other guys or does he automatically go number two because some people listening to this? Kobe won Iverson to and then the rest of the conversation. I'm not sure that that's the case. And the fact that it felt like the GM's were all like on adderall. That night and couldn't stop calling each other and making trade because you sent me that text this this trade is absurd how loaded it is and then some of the guys you even forget where they're in it so it wasn't just as headliners there's some real depth to the holdup historically. Yes so we pick ninety six. It's it's one of the two iconic drafts ever along with the nineteen eighty-four drafted either the best draft ever the second best draft ever Depending on you know what you favor but it's also a fascinating point with basketball because you have. It's still college is still feels like college basketball. You still have guys stand for two three. Even four years sometimes. Still have the coaches. The audience is still there. People still love it and the products really good but you can feel things starting to shift and it shifts the year before when Cagey goes right from high school to the NBA and in this draft. Specifically if Kobe's a high schooler. Nobody has a feel for what that means where he should go. He's gone all these workouts. He's knocking people socks off and yet there's a real hesitation. It's not much different than cagey the year before where he falls of five and even though people are like well talent wise. This guy's probably the best guy. Joe Smith Goes Four. Picks THEM But you so yeah that the one and done stuff is really starting at this point. Anton wins the title of Kentucky. And just comes out. He's he's he's just done that's it. He's he's ready to go. The MBA is nineteen years. Old Ends up going six in this draft but you see these worlds are colliding. College basketball is really about the change. We don't fully understand that yet. We still have a lot of history with a lot of these guys and within probably four years college basketball just kinda starts to turn into something else it died. It's not the same kind of town pool. It all starts with this draft. What else do you remember about ninety six just from a big picture standpoint? Okay so the K. G. stuff the year before it is probably one of my favorite things in that we do this. We do this deal where it happens. A lot in college boards. But I think it's overall just in this. In this way we navigate through things when things are new when things are different. And it's not the norm or like wait a minute you know. What are they doing like? I don't really like this I remember in the eighties if a kid left after a sophomore year. You're like what's wrong with this guy. Like who's he think he is and all this stuff like oh he might not be ready. It's like it's not. You're not drafting to be ready. You're drafting for what somebody could be. And this is as you said is part of that transition the media and it's not just media sports fans and sometimes selfishly college sports fans. This isn't a just a ridiculous Pattern but people seem to care about other people's education levels way more than they should especially when they're people you're never going to meet so yeah he was going to jump straight from high school and really we decades removed from guys doing it before it's like. Who Does this guy think? He is one of my favorite lines that are repeated. A million times was mad. Dog Chris Russo doing radio and I would listen religiously and Mike and the dog and he's like well maybe cagey should just play the home games and not go on road games and you're like wait a minute but this was like he was challenging things so but that time it was like well at least caged like a seven footer. And he's a big man because if we've ever had happen before you know Moses Malone some others it was going to be a big man that would do it and for Kobe to come into that year's draft ninety-six and be a perimeter player. It was immediately met with resistance because we didn't have access to any of these legendary workouts. The only people that really knew how good he was were either himself is family or the people are going to these workouts and yet he's still almost goes outside of the lottery because it was trading right right and honestly the way he got traded. We'll go through all that kind of stuff. It was all kind of navigated with agents. I also think that's important agents. At this time I feel like far more powerful with positioning. Who Goes Wear in the draft. What happens and scaring teams off? I think the agents in the nineties had more power when it came to the draft. And they do today. And there's real resistance to all of this at the time and that's the hardest thing to explain. I think if you watch the Fab five documentary that we did for It was not really a thirty for thirty years free as pin. Was that weird stretch when we're making thirty for thirty days then we're calling them. I still count as a three thirty. I watch with my son recently because my son just knows. Jalen from the guy who's come over to my house and the guy is my friend and he was like Bush Jalen was was Jalen a good basketball player. Mike Yeah Jalen was like an icon so we watched that Fab five thing and you can really feel it in that now. Highly recommend that as a reward for people where you know. Five freshman starting was inconceivable Freshman carrying themselves. The way they did there was like this real sense with the old school college basketball community that they were losing control of this thing where it's like the NCAA College Basketball College. Football it wherein control. These kids are playing for us and starting with that fat five things start to flip and the whole infrastructure is now in danger and it's all leading to this ninety five and then especially the ninety six draft where it's like all right now these kids are GonNa use you just like you're used them. They're going to leave after year. They might not even go to college anymore. When we when I was growing up it was most and bill willoughby or is heard those two guys. In the mid seventies Moses went straight to the A. B. At High School Bill Willoughby the next year went to the NBA Right. Outta high school and never really made it. And then dockets ends up on the sixers and had a pretty good career and then it just gets shut down For until KGB and there were still that weird attitude that you just mentioned tapped into of people being really dismissive in untrustworthy of talented guys. Coming in to young like we were protecting them. I'm not sure what we're protected them for other than just making more money right away right you think about Patrick Ewing he should come into the NBA after one year. Georgetown he may he lost three. Nba Seasons 'cause he's play. He played for years at Georgetown. Was it worth it? I don't know it was also the norm right. John Thompsons type of guy that like had so much power back then. That Patrick Ewing wasn't going to leave early. Now I mean Walter Berry left early and I remember being like. Oh it's okay. Whatever he's ready to go to one of the guys at Saint John's who I I loved in thought okay. Well he's going to be a start and didn't really work out and then that would always happen because then I started become like. Hey all of these guys should bounce the sooner you can get into the league and and prevent them from finding out that you can't play go ahead and do it And you'd be surprised like you would think most GM's would've wanted to be players in college longer to have more of a sample to watch him but over the years. Most of the guys that I talked to said you know you just should be able to come right out of high. School would rather get him in here and as far as getting into trouble and that kind of stuff I think there's kind of like three categories of people all right. There are kids that have it figured out and understand and enter for more mature and I think sometimes in Europe hit kid in high school. That's going to that kind of spotlight. Like Lebron James already mature beyond his years because he had been in the spotlight for such a long time that he kind of understood what was being asked of him. And if you think about like the blueprint for wanting to just nail it at least to how you're accepted socially it's Lebron James Cagey was one of those guys in a way to not as out front of the face of a franchise. Bekasi just kind of knew how to to make it work like he wasn't GonNa be a bad kid where other people like. The other category is is kids. That are just bad kids and I don't care if you're going to the pros out of high school after one year of college. He probably didn't get into trouble. Because you left for the pros too early. You probably get in trouble because you were going to get in trouble no matter where you were and then. I think there's a kids that do something wrong. Adjust and then never make that mistake again. So I I there was all these things always put on it and I think we do this all the time. Like in general stuff like Ebay. I remember when Ebay was first announced in Gaza. Like wait what you're gonNA put something up for sale and then people you don't know or going to bid on it and you're going to trust that they're going to pay for it. Well that's fucking stupid and it works like think about ride shares. Wait so my my daughter is getting some guy some assholes going to drive over some stranger in his previous easy to pick my daughter up and he's going to drive into the mall. Well that's crazy. That's not going to happen. And then ends up. Being this unbelievable successful company that people try to emulate so I think when it comes to sports the even if you did it for the NFL and said well what if kids just came through high school. Yes I think the first thing. Is You worry about the physical development of some of these guys. But is there any version of it were? If guys came out of college football earlier that we would go. Hey you know it wasn't a big deal. Is having a quarterback leave at first freshman year and get some pro coaching and become a pro a lot earlier than another two years? Playing at the college level. And that's where this started these two years for running back so it'd been great too so when I was a kid. The nineteen eighty celtics birds. First season they lose they lose to Philly and five but read are back had made this trade and they had the number one. Pick 'cause he had traded Bob Mac and had this future number one it becomes the number one pick in the whole draft and they know this. Sampson has just finished his his freshman year. Virginia and Sampson is the lost Sure thing from the eighties nineties. Basically you're talking. Jack Ewing David Robinson Hakeem team. Yeah and I mean I remember the first taking article I ever read. I was in elementary school and I was like. What are the rockets? Doing right serious. It was crazy and I was in sixth grade. So Sampson was like the fifth of the shore things from the eighties nineties and read are back. Wants him to come out for the draft and he's kind of lobbying for it and people are getting mad at red are back and and you know. There's this people come back and I'm going what what's what's nothing's more important than an education and and red gets in trouble he goes what's going to become a doctor like he's an NBA player. He should come out right now. Seventy four and he's trying to you know and it's a really good. What if because if he comes out Sampson was just unbelievable? His knees started going on them and in the mid eighties. But if you think about it. He spent three more years in Virginia and then ends up on Houston. That's a lost year. Hakeem shows up by the time he You know it's five years later before his on a decent team he could gone celtics team with all that stuff so anyway we go through the eighties and basically to the KGB moment and that's when that part starts to flip the other thing was Iverson was already really polarizing heading into that draft because he had gone to jail for the bowling. I think we did a thirty for thirty on that whole thing too. It was really messed up. He got an it was so messed up that he ended up getting as much trouble as he did for that. That's what I mean. He he he got completely railroaded and then he got eventually got part and he goes out ends up ending up at Georgetown. Any Super Fun to watch that one year in the biggies back when the big east was still a thing at some point it becomes the Alan Iverson draft. Clearly going to go first. They don't win the title with Emma Georgetown but still really fun and it's a loaded draught and you met all these all. These dumb trades that end up affecting the draft and all these different ways. I can't emphasize strongly enough if you don't think. Nba teams do what they were doing in two thousand nineteen in two thousand twenty. And if you think we had some bad GM's dubbed decisions. Let take you back to the mid nineties. 'cause it was a pocket lips of bad decision making and a lot of them all crested in that draft. What was your favorite trade of all the trades? I mailed you 'cause I'd forgotten emo car actually one or trade with the EMO car heading into that ninety six draft. I think that I think Oh. Yeah he did it the week. Before he traded Eric Montross and the nights pick to the Mavericks for the number six pick and a future pick which became the six pick in the following year's draft which could have been Tracy McGrady if they had done the right thing but That unable to him to move into number six and take Antoine. I think if they had stayed at number nine. I actually do think they would've taken Kobe. I know that's a why based on. Why do 'cause he worked out for the Celtics? They loved him but they weren't GonNa take them at six. But I think he there's a picture of him online with him in the Celtics t shirt and they made a big deal after about how much how how impressed they were by six was too early nine to fourteen was. Kinda Kobe arranged for this draft. Right I think anything earlier and that would have seemed obscene but apparently the nets are going to take them to and they a day. Calipari thank overruled. Whoever else vice versa can't remember this story. Okay we'll couple of things I you know Iverson was there. Two years right is it was dead yet that showdown with Ray. I look through this and go man Lorenzen Wright. They're seven to the clippers Kittles ends up going eight. So that's the thing I spent the most time on today going back over. What cal set you and I both know this. There is no survival instincts stronger than the GM years removed from the decision. That didn't go his way and cal. What happens a Lotta Times is if somebody makes MRS on somebody or they'll tell you how badly they wanted them. After the fact yeah and they blame everybody else for it Let's let's say calories word here. I'm not sure we should. Let's let's do it as a as a thought exercise okay. So they've got the eighth pick. They've worked koby out. I believe three times fairleigh Dickinson and calderas losing his mind. John Nash who was I this is one of the biggest dickhead moves. I've ever done on a live show but I was so upset. When the sixers traded Moses Malone and the number one pick that was going to be Brad daugherty because I couldn't wait to see Barclay Moses Malone and Brad daugherty. What is your guy? Barker's my guy so I was like that's saying like Barclays GonNa play small forward 'cause he could've and instead they traded Moses Interior College. I believe for Jeff ruined and Cliff Robinson the one from the Harlem globetrotters and then they pick for Hinson. Yep Door to pick for Hanson. Yeah George Boarded Paper Hinson. Now I'd heard years later. Years Years removed that they wanted to get Moses out of Philadelphia But that's what they ended up with ended up with two big from the bullets in Roy. Hinson who was always hurt all the time and so John. Nash was the Front Office Guy at that time. Now national being the GM of the trailblazers when they did the Martell webster pick when they moved down. You know there was the Chris Paul Darren Williams draft Ron Williams I was on a Philadelphia. Comcast show where I was in Boston and Nash was on the panel back in Philly and I was like well. You know whatever they were talking about as it gets not as bad as traded Moses the number one pick for Hinson and some bullets and everybody else the panels like Jesus. I later apologized to John and he was actually really good to me Because later on like I said he was in the League but the reason I bring that up is that Nash was the one going to cal saying we have to take them cows like I wanNA take him. Cal had dinner with Kobe's parents the night before the draft McKay and Joe Brian saying rookie of the year. All Star second season and cows like here. I'm thinking his father's delusional and at the same time like he was totally right about him and then Arn tellem calls up and says if you take Kobe Date GonNa play in Italy. You just took this gig you're fucked and cows like look. I can't do this in my own building. I can't screw this one up. And then David Faulk who had all sorts of Jews back in the ninety S. You know that as well as anybody called and just kept hammering on the Kerry kittles thing the Kerry kittles thing and so the next day they have lunch. Calipari tells Nash. I'm not taking Kobe. I'm afraid he's GonNa go. I can't get this wrong. You know aren't is on my case about kills Joe Taub who was the owner of the nets at the time wet to those two guys and said I want John Wallace instead at a Sarah Juice. Oh No yeah so you know look. Cal clearly was enamored with them but I always wonder when we start talking about stuff. That happened twenty twenty five years ago when it's a bad decision like how often people will make excuses for something that went bad. It's pretty much human nature. Why I remember the famous Celtics draft. When they took Joe Johnson Caja Brown and Joe Forte. Twenty one and to know what you're GONNA say here. Well they made a big point of being like you know that was red's pick read really Love Them. I just read was like in his mid seventies at that point he was. You know the old guy were. He was in the war room out of basically respect. And that's it wasn't like he was burning the game film at night and I just refuse to believe that read was in control of what of the three first round picks at that stage of his life. You know the way was sold to me. It was like he had a gun on everyone. In the room. Oh Yeah Forte. Because the relationship with a high school coach once Forte didn't pan out. That's exactly what happened. So here is the draft just for the people listening who don't remember the sequence phillies. I take Iverson Terada a second. They take Marcus. Camby Vancouver Takes Sharieff Abdur Rahim who Was very very highly regarded prospect and was huge high school kid and that was actually picked that made sense. Stefan MARBERRY GOES FORTH TO MILWAUKEE. Rayon goes fifth to Minnesota. They end up flipping picks Anton Walker goes six to Boston. And I remember at the time. Didn't a lot going on I think that was the summer. I started bartending. Really being convinced. This was a six-person draft so when M. L. Who is more on the state for more on when he was a GM when he trades up into the top six? It was like this is great. This is a six player draft. It's impossible to move into the top sex when it's six per draft but they pulled it off quiz or seven Lorenzen rate. The Nets are eight. They Take Care Kid who's better than people remember but man that Kobe thing is tough. He just aren't man. I mean kittles thing was injuries morning. All right really. Dallas is nine with Somalia Walker. Indiana takes Erick Dampier ten and then we have incredible combo hair. Golden STATE ELEVEN CLEVELAND. Twelve Todd Fuller. Vote Tally Papago. And then the next five hex Charlotte Kobe Bryant Sacramento pay pages Avec Phoenix Steve Nash. Charlotte Tony delk PORTLAND. Jermaine O'Neal and as as you're going to see when Redo this this draft and I I did in two thousand fourteen. I wrote a whole piece. Redrafted every draft for twenty years for Grantland with the point being This is a crap shoot. Why do we throw ourselves into these drafts so much? There's no rhyme or reason to any of this this is probably the all time example Where you have a couple blue chippers that we know we're going to be good and then some guys at a nowhere that become transcendent hall of Famer Steve Nash Fifteenth. Pick Santa Clara. Remember when you saw. Nash get the hat and come across the stage. Do you remember where you were in your reaction because I do? I just remember instinctively rooting for him for some reason because it was like. There's a white Canadian point guard. Who just went fifty? I knew nothing whether there was the other thing. Ninety six. We had no youtube. We had no big boards. There is no not even the person to people before Chad. Ford there is really nothing. You just had talkradio and you had people going. I really like Antoine Walker and I thought he was really good in the march madness and that was like our college basketball PIDS back. Then we just yeah. That's it I mean you you. The Internet wasn't and I feel like we repeat ourselves on this. You know whenever that comes up unless you watch a Santa Clara Game Live you. You didn't know what the hell was going on so at first. You like. Who's the intern? You know what's going on here with Nash. Well we remember how much we would rely on the little clips. After the guy got picked they would show right and remember twenty seconds. I saw clint like you know the. Nfl draft is always hilarious to me. Because you know going to that live maybe once in God bless you if you do and maybe if it's just you and your boys guys week or weekend or whatever. It is in India but you have to admit even today ninety percent of the guys being announced you haven't watched one fucking snap of okay and so what you do? Is You talk yourself into because of a article? You read or a Clip. That you see some defensive lineman or some guard and really all you want is just fantasy guys. You can have fantasy guys from your favorite football team. But now we're so updated like I think it's so funny that the NFL draft is still kind of outdated because most guys are going to sit there and start watching guard film going on. There could be a couple of guards available twenty but that's what we were doing. We were blind in one thousand nine hundred ninety six and then I was. I was back home that summer. I was added buddy sows sows. Like look I don't care what the plan is tonight. I'm watching the draft and then I'll meet up with you guys after and they're like you seriously gonna. Watch this whole course to watch this whole thing and His clips when they fired up. I'm like Whoa like WHO's this guy. Hers even hiding but it still seemed you know. Like who Steve Nash? Really going to be that good it just. It was such an unknown and to see his clips. It was just you know I was in college still and I just went out like I wish I'd seen this guy play. I love the draft my entire life. I remember when they did not televise the draft. And you had that so I remember. There's what I'm going to say early. Eighties I think they started televising. It somewhere in the early eighties but I remember one year. The Celtics had a couple of second round picks. One of them was Tracy Jackson. They took from Notre Dame but I remember listening that draft on the radio because it wasn't on TV and it's one of the local sports stations. Radio stations was just just running it and it was like with the thirty first two Celtics Tracy Jackson and some point at some point. They realized they should start. Televising it and in general they re they realized what they had stumbled into around the Sampson. Hakeem Ewing era when so before the. Us thing that was when they added the lottery they at some point realized that there was a televised spectacle. That should be happening. Which really wasn't much different than football. I don't think football was showing the drafts. Either until eighty two eighty three and that's cable is the reason. We started having televised drafts. But I loved it immediately. I used to watch them. Used to go over to my dad's house then eventually when I started writing do draft Iras from out website. But even before that we would we'd be talking about the draft for days and the reality was there was no information and you were talking to your ass ninety percent of the time with all of these guys now. Our talk address fifty percent of the time. I remember going back in in researching some of that stuff in it. That was that was a ten round draft like they would do ten roads and Red Auerbach would take like whoever went to Holy Cross. He would take plumbers cousin and I remember years later after you realize this because as a kid I don't know how this ever happened to you. It happened to be very rarely but you would go. Oh you know. His father was a carpenter builder. Whatever and we would go and work on some of these people's houses and then I remember this one place doing a deck. The Guy was probably on vineyard summer house in like well. You know Tom Here was actually drafted by the Celtics. And at that point a little kid you go. Oh my God you know. What's Larry Bird like? Are you a millionaire? And all right and then as I got a little older I was like. Yeah but what round though did you like did you play Merrimack or something and you're just like a local tenth rounder and never played in the guy was like. Yeah exactly exactly what I was. Yeah that was the rule like he was drafted by the Celtics. I'm like yeah but like the fake. Pick because your local kid like don't tell strangers that they used to do the last seven rounds they would just take. Kids brand is sold across. Yeah that's what I mean Boston University. Yeah that was the book yet. Hey Crowns think about that. Two hundred twenty three kids were drafted in a twenty three team league in eighty-one so I listened to the nineteen eighty-one draft on the radio. The Celtic said the twenty third. It's picking the first round that took Charles Bradley. Who Could Dunkin those it second round? Wyoming Tracy Jackson twenty-fifth other mess and then really third fourth round. Mrs FROM EIGHTY-ONE NO DADDY AGE thirty. I O Rigo and I and I remember on the radio there like He might play baseball but you know reds had some success John Havlicek almost played football and it was like one of those. Nobody do anything. They didn't know what did they reference the other guy plays pitch for the braves who was gene Conley. That was another one. Yeah yeah again. Took Conley four hundred years ago well yet in the eighties. You would just have registered making these trades where he knows Kevin McHale is going to be better than Joe. Barry Carroll Trades back to picks but then picks up the number thirteenth pack as well. We'll give number one and they're like cool. We'll have the number and and people are just getting pillaged by the nineties People are still getting pillaged. But this I'm GonNa read all the trades for the for the listeners. 'cause there's some classics in here so draft. Night Bucks Trade. The rights to Stefan Marberry to the Timber Wolves for Ray on any future first round pick. I would say the bucks won that one. I mentioned the Math Celtic straight. Here's another one. This is one where everybody who loved College Basketball New. Jalen rose was going to have a moment in the NBA there. He was getting buried and the delegates. I never gave up. He was just too interesting of an offensive player and always was better in big games and it was just hard to believe he wasn't going to make it the pacers trade. The number twenty third pick along with Mark Jackson and get old ricky to the nuggets for the tenth. Pick 'n Jalen rose and Reggie Williams who is a former top five lottery pick. So that was a steel The Georgetown Reggie Williams. Yeah Yeah so then you have this other trade where you have two summers ago. The magic trade. The their future draft pick and Scott's gyles to the bullets for the forty second. Pick trying to clear cap space for Horace Grant. So the wizards somehow ended up with the eleventh pick. But not for long because they trade that with Two other first responders and Tom Googly. Outta for Chris. Webber Nineteen Ninety Four C. have all that in their menu. He's a nice guy and then you have. They also traded the number twelve pick for a fairly washed up mark price that year too. So the bullets went from having the Twelfth Thirteenth. Pick to know picks and then you have a couple other ones. The heat traded the sixteenth pick in the Alonzo mourning trade when they traded When they traded for Alonzo Mourning the Pistons traded the number eighteenth pick with Dennis Rodman for the twenty six pick and shot Elliott. They'd today and three so that when moved and then We have Kevin Willis in the nineteenth pick for Steve Smith and grant long trade from two years earlier but then my favor one. The heat in September ninety sent the nineteenth pick and one million dollars to the Knicks for the right to hire Pat Riley. Great Trade Yeah. Yeah you gotTa have that again right. The Riley Nixed thing was crazy. That's its own podcast. Contentious Yeah and and then dear fans were really really hurt and angry so round. Riley signs everywhere is it rhymes. Oh yeah that's right yeah Okay so we're going to redraft but wanted to mention a couple of things. I ranked. I did this in the grantland common. Just GonNa keep it here. Five star system for how good the player was so super duper star. You have to be like basically a hall of fame. Pyramid Pantheon Guy. That's five stars. Alzheimer's four stars Franchise Guys Three Star all stars to stars quality starters one star so this draft had as superstar. Kobe Bryant Five Stars it. Add to four star Guys National Iverson. It had a three star guy. Who's almost like a three and a half star? Rayon to to star Guys Jermaine O'Neal Ben Wallace and then four one-star guys do academic can be Margaret Walker. Which means they were. You know starter. Berlin all stars and then Sa- Judas Saugus Sri of door renaming Kerry kittles who were all like really serviceable starters. Thirteen guys who not only Made valuable contributions but got paid. And you mentioned this earlier. This draft class made so much money was is probably the biggest windfall of any draft class up that point right. I mean what Kobe did like he was making twenty four twenty five when the second highest paid player was making eighteen or nineteen so kobe got hooked up in this deal Jemaine. O.`Neil made a ton of money here can be still played. Seventeen Years Nash played eighteen. Ray played eighteen. You know ray to Max deals I think in there. So yeah I mean Nash who did incredibly well for himself wasn't one of the top five highest paid guys this class. I added up the math. Koby Iverson Jermaine. O'neal Rayon made more than eight hundred. Twenty five million dollars combined just buying basketball just did salaries they kobe. Iverson O.`Neil in Ray Allen. Just those four guys made over eight hundred twenty five million dollars combined and this was the era when in ninety nine when they're the lockout all the sudden anybody who is three years in the league could just redo their contract and signed some six year giant deal You had Marbury Adore him and Anton Walker outside. Mac Steals Cambio. Gaza said asked Nash. Multiple big-money deals kittles made over fifty five billion dollars which I didn't realize so Just money all over the place that That really has been top The other thing I did hear was created a Simmons Crapshoot rating called the scrap to see just how much of a crap shoot each drafted Be used in that going forward. This was a Ted Atta Ten. Just for like when you look back and you just go. Wow what the fuck happened in that draft. This is a ten out of ten. I think we're GONNA do the two thousand draft together in a couple of drafts which both of us are excited about. That's like a minus ten out of ten. It's like a what the fuck happened. And also why he's confused the entire time Do you want the first pick of the second pick? I want to second pick all right. We'll do that. Let's take a break. Then we're going to redraft the ninety six okay couple of other subplots just to put people kind of in the head space where some of these teams were ninety in ninety six. C had Philly who had just traded Barclay four years before and trades catastrophic. And they bottom out. They have a chance to rally the following year. They take Shawn Bradley. The second pick. How did you feel about that in Ninety four were what was your Shawn Bradley. Take not strong. He just you know just it didn't make sense at the time out of those is a little over candy ish you know it was like. Oh you guys are GonNa do that. It reminded me of The has shaped the beat draft in two thousand nine where there were all those awesome guys in that draft and Memphis had the second pick and it was I did they. They're serious. They're going to take the beet and all of us all of us. Were like really. You're not really going to do that right. That's not really going to be the move right. And then they actually did it. That was the Shawn Bradley thing. Do you remember who was one and three in that draft in ninety two? Oh is whatever the Shawn Bradley Year was. What was that ninety three or not? I thought that was ninety four. You're you're probably know better than I do. Let me Go listen diary soon. I wasn't either 'cause I remember Glen Robinson I remember that contract disputes and how yeah was Weber and then penny an American and then Isaiah rider. Who was one of the greatest interviews ever? Do you remember that? Nbc NBA on NBC. And Sunday I think it was ninety six ninety seven season and he sat down and did a one on one with somebody and he was like. Yeah I chill and then fill in. The blank was like do you. Why do you think you're better than he's like? Oh I'm just going to pick a name here. It'd be like I chill. You Know Glen Rice and it's not wasn't Glen Rice but it was like the most vicious I've ever seen a player like in a one on one whereas normally like hey we you know. Today's game Isaiah rider their wing. Jr writer later on his like now. yeah Weber. One Bradley two. I think they could beat things. Perfect 'cause he's not the number one and you can tell like. I finally figured this out later on but when you ask a school about their own guy and they're like oh you know that kind of stuff I was getting from Yukon about the beat of like. What do you guys think about the beat like well you know if he does this this this this and the twenty things later like. Oh you guys. Sticky sucks all right got it that was one of those regis had to watch them. Run in person for five seconds. You're going to run that like you said. There's no way that happening you're wearing concrete sneakers so as it happened so philly my point they really needed the Iverson thing because they had the combo of the trading Barclay and then the Shawn Bradley thing and they are just rock bottom. Toronto NEW FRANCHISE NEW BLOOD. Just looking for anybody. Good Isaiah still running them at that point Vancouver expansion team. They're just happy to be there. They'll take anybody good. The Minnesota Milwaukee thing was interesting. So Milwaukee gets the better player my it. I felt that way the time I I think we can at Ray Allen. Yeah I just I just saw Rayon was I just love them I just thought he was a sure thing. I not not at the same level of how I felt about K. D. Or somebody like that but very rarely in college regis see somebody in college like. I would bet my whole life that that guy's GonNa be good. Professional Basketball Round was so clearly going to be really good The Marbury thing. He had the higher upside but the the family stuff was even worrisome. Back then he. He had had a really hard life and I they were. I thought there was some subtle red flags with him As much fun as he was to watch at Georgia tech but they wanted to put him with K. G. and try to do the whole Stockton Malone thing then. You have the celts at six delighted to get into a Walker and then after that In the Seltzer. Also coming off the Len bias. Reggie Lewis Combo and just to follow the Boston Garden. This is the first real sign of hope that they've had in a while. And then you go through the rest of them that the nets one is probably the most interesting one at eight but we talked about the reasons for that. Where they're doing this rebirth thing with Calipari and you know the nets had they lost driza. Petrovac that add a nice little run there where there was a little. Something would dare Coleman Kenny Anderson drazen. And they're all those guys are gone in two years. And that's a complete reboot for them. This is a really kinda rough time for the League because you had the ninety six polls go and seventy two and ten part of the reason. They went seventy two and ten minutes because there's so many bad teams because the league it over expanded. The quality of play was not that good. They're moving the three point line around. They can't decide where that should be. Its Way to physical It just this wasn't like a great time for basketball. They needed this. Draft is my point. Yeah and then the rest of the guys dampier as you mentioned ten address machi Walker Todd Fuller Batali and then Kobe Patia and then Nash is just outside of it. Even sneaky like Tony delk a little bit Who played in the League? So do you WANNA go first then? Iago I. I pick the way we decided to do this. There's a little bit of a. It's a little bit of a time machine element like do we draft for who we thought the team should take the time or do we just take the best player and do it in that order. I think we should just go in the order of Pierce who we think. We're the best players going down descending order and then we kind of it's a lot like just in his aside. I you know it's a lot like the rewatch ables for me where I still don't understand what we're doing but as Mike. Yeah like third one third redraft for me. I still don't know really what your rules are for this. Even though it's your vision and in some of these different rankings. I look at this as you know. If you were starting franchises. Who'd you go with? Nah That's how I look at it to did. They have do. They have good guard. Depth in nineteen ninety six is greater from team. All right so I'll take Kobe I because he's one of the ten best bars of all time and you know I didn't even really full. There's no way he would have gone. I would have been absurd impossible etc but it is funny. That philly had the first pick in this draft and and he was playing there and he was in their backyard. But you know it wasn't going to happen. There's no way Colby Bryant Number One over Alan Iverson forget it. Even if they'd taken him six I think people would have been mad. But it's just kind of funny because once the highschoolers started have success there is a world where five years later no doubt that somebody like. Kobe could've gone number one draft. It was not happening in nineteen ninety six so anyway. I have a currently Bryant as the first pick. Now you're on the clock at number two for For the sake of the redraft Toronto. Had this pick okay. This is I'm not doing this to get attention. I'm not doing this for any other reason than there's no way I would take Iverson here and I think ninety percent of the people listening or are you nuts. You have to take Iverson after Kobe. I don't think anybody take Iverson over Kobe. Don't think it's that ridiculous but Iverson and go through all this Iras and stuff if you want to or. We could wait to pick him. But I would take Nash. I think Nash plugging him. In to any scenario he makes everybody better. He should have shot more Honestly I always thought if he was healthier later on and this isn't me pretending he's all of a sudden healthy but he would have been an awesome to guard like twenty minutes a game just hitting threes But he just you know the backend stay healthy but his impact on a team was for more positive than Iverson's and I would take Nash on redraft. So I have nash rank tire a Mahala Fame pyramid. And I'm with you. I would take him higher as well. I loved Iverson. I'm actually in the Super Defensive About Iverson camp. Because I knew what's happened over the last ten years you could feel the seeds of being planted last In the two thousands whereas the future generations came and they had no idea what it was like to watch him play and see him all the stuff that he brought to the table. It was never going to translate to fifty years later. what is what was this guy. What's going on here? This advanced metrics were never going to be his friend with all that said I would rather have dash and you know I think his teams were consistently more successful. He made other guys better. He could play with just about anybody and you know He. His peak basically goes from ninety eight through two thousand eleven Iverson's peak. He it really kicks in in ninety eight. And he has you know he. Averages twenty nine a game from nineteen ninety nine through two thousand eight ten th straight years twenty nine a game. It's weird he never had that second. You know really qualified all star other than Carmelo. When he got to Denver on the other hand he played with a lot of good players. Who were of qualified to be second second guys on a really good team like when they got Cambay? He was the defensive player of the year. He was still a top four center. He Jerry Stackhouse who eventually became a thirty point scorer. You know it's not like he never played with anybody. I don't think it's like a t max situation right. But the differences team ex- style didn't make the rest of the roster. Think like what am I doing here? Iverson style like they didn't get rid of stackhouse because they didn't like Stackhouse's like let's try something different and yes they try the lira. Huge thing which we went over and one of the other drafts They had Andrea good. All of their. I even really liked that. Theo ratliff group. But then Larry Brown's Look I can bring into Cambay so I'm going to go ahead and do that kind of stuff. Buddy van Horn was the other one had van. Hurry was the second pick in the draft. He brought in these guys so that first year. Iverson comes in and this is the difference in the look. No one's trying to tell you that Iverson's Lebron but I think that there's a lot of shortcomings here when you look at the overall career arc year and I'm not trying to do the analytics. Let's trash him. You know shooting efficiency and all that kind of stuff I mean the guy was that small plane like forty one forty two minutes a game. I think he played like forty one minutes a game I career and he was still doing it at the very end But when he go it comes into the league a bad team twenty two and sixty. No one else is kind of weird looking at the sixers attendance numbers during all this. They weren't as good. You would think they would have been it like the Philly fans that turned on that team pretty quickly after the. Oh one thing I thank Allah. I think that was going on across the board with the NBA. The late nineties were rough because that was when the salaries one way up the the fans had a lot of trouble. Identifying with the players hip hop influence was so strong at that point and there definitely was a little. Bit of disconnect. That's when stern started. Put it in the dress code the rookie state. I was years later though after the Detroit in Pacers thing. No I'm saying like the ninety eight through two. There's a lot of a lot of tug of war between stern and the players and just trying to get them to be more personable to the fans and to think a lot about you know how they presented themselves and at a. It was a very strange air. It was weird to go to the Games back. Then like the self defense didn't like Antoine Walker. For two years they did not like the Antoine Shimmy. They you blame jar rule if there is some weird societal stuff going on back then though like you feel it okay but I can only compare to the other attendance numbers to the other thirty teams and they are lower turnover in total attendance than you would think like. It was Kinda weird so look bad records is I two years. He gets the second or third year second round and his fourth year then they make the NBA finals. And that's pretty much it man from two thousand to two thousand three season. It's six game loss in the second round of the Pistons. He never got to the second round again. He never got to the second round against so I understand when you get. Iverson you get somebody that you know. We applaud him for keeping it real. And that's awesome we apply. We applaud him for kind of being anti-corporate even though he was that he did transcend. Sandy was a smaller. Guy Duncan on people he was you know Newport news the whole deal like we get it but if you really break down and I'm not even trying to do the things here you just had to play a certain style. That was only his style and it was far less successful than I think people ever want to remember historically so I would actually take a Alan ahead of them in my draft. If you're not taking Iverson third so it's funny I had Alan ahead of Iverson in the Hall of Fame Pyramid. I mean I'm sorry I had Iverson had around in the Hall of Fame Pyramid. I think he had a more meaningful career. The two things I agree with ninety percent of what you just said. Two things Iverson brought to the table. That can't be taken for granted. He and I wrote about this in my book when my thing about him was about when you get season tickets in the mail and you're just looking at the schedule in your like whoever who the guys. I have to see this year now. Might be five guys that might be seven and might be nine like if you're doing it this year. You know if we had the NBA right now. You'd be like you'd take the Laker game. You'd put a checkmark next to that you do you do the Celtics but if you're just talking about individual players there's not many like I I really like seeing Daimler person like gone down the line. There's maybe eight to twelve guys. Iverson was always on that list for me. No matter how his team was doing I thought he was an incredible guy to see in person because he was really like probably five nine and a half five ten though the way he carries himself how much he played. You'd never came out. He carried himself like he was like a seven foot. Three hundred pound guy and he wasn't so I would say that for that and the other thing is the respect the other guys had for which I think matters. I think when you talk to some of these guys which both of us have had the privilege of doing and sometimes it's eye-opening who they who they go out of their way to gush about. I think Kyrie was like that. And in you know the two thousand sixteen seventeen range where the other players were almost like his biggest advocates and I think with Iverson the other players regardless of whether the windows of the other stuff backed it up they really respected him and even in the All Star game like he was always in crunch time he was you know it always made sense that he had the ball at the end of the game the matter how many good players on the floor so it's a really weird career that I can't almost can't compare it to nobody like him. Now you could even say it'd be like if Damian Lillard was the toughest guy in the league and but his team wasn't even as successful as it is now but it felt like they were more successful. That was Iverson. I have no counter to that. I think the best thing you could do would be Jordan without rings Jordan. Just you know if Jordan couldn't get past the Pacers in the second round for whatever reason But that it just impossible. It's impossible to even try to do that. Like Hey imagine a a twenty year arc of Jordan without success I mean as I say it out loud. It's just it's possible ever vision envisioned that but I think all the pro Iverson arguments become about a lot of the stuff. That doesn't equate to winning. But I have no counter like I made sure I got a chance to go see him because I want to see him that Allen showdown is one of my favorite baskets probably one of my favorite sporting events ever just being in the moment my buddies in college and watching us to go out at the biggest tournament. I absolutely love it so this is not an anti Iverson thing. This is strictly A. He did not care about winning. Did Not approach the game in a winning way for me to pass on somebody like Steve. Nash and I think Dash was definitely the right pick. I cannot figure out what the ceiling was on an average team. We saw it in two thousand one they made. Wasn't that good. I was good. I gotta be honest. I don't think the right team made the final set your for this. I thought the bucks were better walkie to yeah and you watch those games and it's Kinda hard to believe the bucks than and beat them. The bucks just seem like more of a final steam I had a better career. He was a more memorable player. If I'm drafting this if I'm GM in I have time machine access in nineteen ninety six. I would take reality with the third pick because I'm getting. I'm getting him for eighteen years. I'm getting this guy who at his peak which she had a couple of really nice ones. I'm walkie You know was the Alpha dog on a Buxton that almost made the finals but just in general was one of the most efficient guys we've had in the last twenty five years. I can put him with anybody he goes and has a second life with the Celtics. Then this third life with Miami Ed. I was just watching a game. Six two thousand thirteen. I just think he's a safer bet. If I'm trying to win a title then Allen Iverson was now I didn't realize that at any point ever since career but now from looking back if my goal is to win the title round is a better pick he just is so. I would take around third raise interesting in that. You said he'd had these two versions I. I think it's three versions because no there is three that Morgan Four. Maybe because I mean what he started doing you know in Milwaukee. He's He's twenty game. The three point numbers are just crazy. I remember when I was doing that Celtics. Tv STUFF FOR YEARS. And you know he first got there. No seven eight and I was working with Donny. Marshall who knew Ray from the Yukon Years. He was a little bit older than him and Donny was was degrade guided talk hoops with and he comes back and he goes man he goes. Ray like changed his shot. I'm like Ray Allen. Changes jump shot like why would like? Why would anyone do that? That's like the caprio deciding. You know I wanna I WANNA do spoken word. You know so ray. Did this little thing with his hands at the end of it and and Ray was right like ray made this tweak to what already looked like the wettest jumper going and he had this awesome. Seattle stretch where he put up huge twenty five twenty six to gain so when he came to Boston. Oh seven Oh eight and that was kind of the first piece when it looked like they were gonNA Trade Paul but age was always great and not trading peers. Just because he felt like Oh. The rescue team isn't good. The angels brilliant with that and I know it sounds stupid to say brilliant but so many other people wouldn't do it'd be like hey we're not good all right well this guy. That isn't thirty. That's really good. Let's get rid of him. You know like other teams did that and they add rate of that for Jeff Green which seems criminal because race. Still at that point. You know he'd had the ankles things he comes in thirty two but that led the cagey and all that stuff. Ray Sacrifice Moore with his approach to the game than the other two guys did now. I still think Cagey and Paul. Better than Ray and ray then becomes. This guy was trying to figure out around him because he was a better shooter with the ball and then found a way. I really think it took them a while to kind of get comfortable in that. You're just not going to have the ball and you see that much. And he found that with Miami because it was weird to to remember in Boston when he started to kind of loses handle because he he wasn't dribbling as much in Boston's offense and then he just kinda losses hand a little bit there so I i. I wonder how badly we're going to get about this. So you passed on Iverson Ray but the analytics will tell you that. Raise behind only Kobe in like two or three categories. Well so I'm looking at this like not. Who is going to? Who'S GOING TO SELL MORE JERSEYS IN? Who's going to be more fun to have my team? If I'm just trying to win a title rail and has to be the pick you look at his numbers from two thousand and two thousand seven. He is the most ahead of his time. Guy. We've had in the last thirty years. He's averaging twenty three five and four his forty five forty eighty nine percentages to shoot forty forty from three. But it's taken seven threes and this is at a time nobody was taking you know if you took four threes a game. That was a lot I think if you put him in the era that we're in now she's one of the ten best guys in the League every year that version Ray Allen Year after year is somebody you could build a franchise around and I don't know I the longevity I think pushes it over the top to me. This guy was good at nine hundred ninety seven in one thousand nine hundred in two thousand fourteen. He's still in the finals playing crunch time for that. Miami team we're talking you know Eighteen Years Iverson just flamed out a little too fast. For me. Iverson's career was basically over by two thousand nine. Yeah he hasn't played in a decade. Yeah he has cleared Memphis thing and then he had close it out. Billy just as kind of like a novelty deal and remember. He's still wanted to play. But at that point to like if you really want to dig in and all the stuff and I don't know how far away I don't really WanNa get sidetracked in here but Iverson. If he played today with the off the court stuff. He beginning suspended from the League so his career is effectively. His last goodyear as a legitimately effective player is two thousand nine. And I remember that had this. It's a my archives. You look it up Not You but anybody out there when Denver Trades Iverson to Detroit for BILLUPS and people are on TV on great trade for the Pistons. You know you get Alan Iverson and I'm like you I. I'm sorry but I'm going to basketball games. And Watching League Pass Iverson shot as a as a perennial. All Star Franchise guides just gone. Is the habit anymore. So I think the fact that his kind of stretch was just shorter than Then raise I did that as a matter. And the other thing I would ask so Iverson if Milwaukee beats them that that that round which is really conceivable and I think they should have. I really think the wrong team. One at that was one of the most poorly officiated series ever. How do we remember Iverson if we don't even know like no final trips? I think he's thought about completely differently. We're you know you're almost thinking trying to think who the football quarterback is that we would compare them to flacco no flacco. No that was nice. I I really think that two thousand one like I used to always take the broad deserves like a half a ring for that two thousand seven. Nba Finals appearance. Because THEY DID TO DETROIT. Like only been leave. You know not even five years Detroit. Still you know. They look at themselves as a bully. Rashid's guaranteeing wins after every single playoff laws. That kept losing and Lebron takes him out with that EPA game in two thousand seven where it was kind of the first like Whoa. What is this guy? And then they get smoked by the Spurs on a big deal. Same thing as kind of like a a shack penny deal with Orlando gone up again. It gets Akeem but that two thousand one finals they get the first game against L. A. And they get mocked. He's gotten a lot of like I feel like I'm not saying like look the Lakers. Were supposed to beat them. And we've just gone through how bad we didn't take the east was that year but it's it's salvaged. Iverson in a way where you know. I read about Chris Paul Sucking all the time because he can't get out of the second round but Iverson as the lead guy the undisputed league guy for every team he was on until you know look the Denver thing was Kinda he and back and forth and you're right by the time we get to Detroit. It was over He gets you. I'm not saying like I don't WanNa turn this in. I'm I'm sounding very anti Iverson it but I'm just saying little rousing pro Everson. Two thousand one is so positive for him and I think that's the love that people have for him. You know like it's never ever held against the only real playoff run that you had like the only one right. Well the other thing and again I I didn't want to rely on the stats too much because I really think it's important to mention how how larger than life. He was at the time and what it was like to watch him in person. I just loved Iverson but you know his stats part of the reason his stats were so impressive was he just played an incredible amount of minutes. Vigo to his per thirty. Six numbers is per thirty. Six scoring average is twenty three point three his per his actual scoring average in real. Life is twenty six point seven. He played he was as you said earlier. He's playing for his career. He played forty one point one. But it's a game sick it's like he's Wilt Chamberlain and he was getting any sleep. You right it's true. He's up twenty four hours a day so I if you look at his per thirty six. Oh He's he's twenty three five and three. He's forty two point. Five percent from the field and thirty one percent from three and his stats really aren't different. Than all of Ray Allen's prime cause railings playing thirty five thirty six minutes again not forty. It's honestly not crazy to think. Ray Allen is a better pick than Allen Iverson because if you're trying to win a title he's just a safer bet you can put Iverson. You have to move your whole team around what he does with Ray on. You'd have to do that so I'm taking around third. I mentioned reality and head of the time I was looking up by looked at one of the years. We had like seven point seven to eight attempts. They're a game from three. Which is just you can't express how monumental that isn't like a one to eight players. Took four hundred or more threes. Of course number one and number three were were Thuan Pierce. We didn't even count because the beginning of of the Patino Thuan Pierce thing was just gross with the amount of three guys. Took like you guys take bad shots. Now you think Diangelo. Russel Zach Levine. Get a little of every now with a three point attempt you got you got nothing on early Thuan Yet so eight players foreigner more attempts the past full season eighteen nineteen forty three players took four hundred more threes no one more than James Harden who took one thousand twenty eight threes and also eight hundred fifty free throws so hard and took almost nineteen hundred. Three's free throws for a full season. Enjoy that that's pretty gross. But nothing was grocer than watching a Kyle. Lowry offensive foul mix tape. That came out from so far this season. I think he has forty seven charges taken. I counted forty six flops. I would rather watch a joe exotic sex tape then Kyle lowry taking charge. It's you know I saw that tape floating around and I was like I hope Priscilla's what he oughta one either. Yeah the lowry one. I didn't even make it through it. I was like you know what I'm going to watch this and then I'm going to count. How many flops are. And then I'm GonNa tweet something really shitty and I had A. I actually closed out of the video. I couldn't survive anymore so you. You have Iverson forthright. Yeah Yeah. Let's get Johnny Douglas here. Yeah so Vancouver with Ray Allen and then Iverson with a going to Milwaukee at four and eight you know I know people are going to get pissed about the average that thing I remember member. Tnt did that redraft of the Alzheimer's Barkley. Took Alan Iverson. I and it almost cost like it almost caused a riot on the Internet. People are like what are you doing? How ever they were all drafted and they're all time teams and it was a steak draft embark like third Irish people. You just ruined this whole exercise in is on okay out obviously was great. An every television producer everywhere was like. How do we find the next Barkley so with the fifth pick which in the in the actual draft was Minnesota? There's two there's three guys on the board just so for the people. Oh Jermaine. O'neal it Ben Ben Wallace pay pages stack VIC. Marcus Camby Stefan Marberry Financial Walker. All those guys are on the board. I am taking because this'll be recurring theme with these redrafts that we do. I watched your main. O.`Neil be the best guy on teams that could have won the title and that matters to me more than anybody else on that list. I thought long and hard about been wallace but his prime just wasn't good enough. The Middle Neil thing really in the running for strange's Basketball reference page. He's on Portland for four years. Not playing yeah not playing right. Member Pacino was always trying to trade for him. Yeah oh every year it is buried on these Portland teams behind Rasheed Wallace. Bonus Davis is on there and they're not giving many run and people like us he's being thrown he was kind of like a Righty bye-bye type situation where the trade asset of him was so much more valuable than if you actually watched him in a game. You're like But then he then Indiana traits forum. They traded Davis farmers as part of it but then then he became a really really really good player in Indiana there for a couple years old four series against a trait. He's great. I thought Oh five year the Malay. He misses half the season. He's really good. That your average twenty four game that year. I thought he was awesome in the Celtics playoff series that year and I really liked that post. Belay Pacers team just in general But I I for the Matt Years. He played and all that I think he's the pick SOM- taking him fifth. What do you think of that? I love it because I had them. I think higher than than I thought I would when I went into it. But I'm with you. If you go peaked. Your Main O.`Neil. He's a really good player. I mean he put up some massive numbers there with the Pacers via right like he started. He started eighteen games. Those first four years he played ten minutes a game. Thirteen minutes a game nine minutes a game twelve minutes a game when he's in Portland and that was you know he was still kind of part of this fall out of the high school thing and you just feel like Oh you know look at this guy and honestly to even though he was kind of weird hybrid center power forward. That's what was so appealing about him is that he could face up a little bit but he could still do some of that traditional stuff and he would've been in his prime younger a really nice player today because he was a really. I thought a pretty good athlete and he's slowed down a little bit. But after that Pacers thing I mean it was over like his career was kind of like over by the time he was twenty nine and he still played another six or so years. So I I don't mean to be harsh about it. Like he had a good year in nine ten in Miami at the thirty one but he's playing twenty eight minutes. He scorned thirteen and seven. And he's he's just kind of a rotation guy at that point even though he was somebody I still really liked. I liked it. I didn't I didn't have them that high but I'm not anti Jermaine O'Neal at all. So what they with him that I didn't realize he made thirteen mile embiid. Oh Two endo three. And then he made second team on four so for three straight years she was a top fifteen guy and a top ten guy no four and I think he would have been a top ten guy. No five to the Malay hadn't happened. I also think this point can't be hit strongly enough. I really do think the o five pacers were the best. Nba team that year. And now you could say well the resonating winners because run. Our test was a lunatic and got a new huge melee and and the seeds of it were planted during that. Fight that that precipitated. The Malay team was going to blow up anyway. That team is there is just too much craziness on that team. That never they never could have made a month. You can make that case but that Oh five. Finals was one of the more unsatisfying finals. It never felt like those were the two best teams. Just two series itself. Wasn't that good. That Spurs team that won Dunkin it just was not like a peak Dunkin performance. I think he's pretty banged up. I really think it was the best team that year. And he was the best guy in that team. So that's got a matter too. Yeah but that was also that that final where we had some you know. Eighty four to sixty nine and game. Yeah speedco any other lake that stuff. Though they remember the year before the Detroit they had like a sixty six to sixty game. Yeah there's there's worse wants to point out which I think we should do as a reliable. We should watch the worst playoff game in modern history. Like one of those one of those games at seventy to sixty or something with the Pistons. No I know the game was Celtics. Pistons 'cause I went to sixty six sixty four final. I think there's another one Stanford Steve hit me up with this. He said I think there's some Knicks game where I forget who the famous guy was. He'd bet on the game but he also done lightning on it. So you pay a penalty on how many points under or you win over. And he had the over and it went like thirty points under so opposite double-check. Stanford's Steve Checked in. It'd be like hey you guys should do this all right so you got your main O.`Neil I'M GONNA hit five. So you're you're now in the clock at number six which sort of in the Celtics pick. I'm going to tell Cam you take the mass pike in and be a Celtic Can't be played. Seventeen years yes. I thought he was going to be better. His Lee your the most points per game. He ever scored was his rookie year with Toronto. Fifteen again that's the most. He ever scored for a season and was double figures. Twelve ten twelve eleven and he basically wasn't again until you get to Denver a little bit defensive player of the year. I just felt like he did more at Umass offensively that we get to the NBA. I don't know if it's because he was skinny. I don't know if it was strictly because the roster development and the has a way of kind of eating itself in that. Oh yeah right like as good as you were in college like you have to adjust to us. I do think Camby was going to have to make that adjustment that he was going to be a good player. A role player so. I guess I ended up being wrong but I was watching me at thirty two in that. First Game Against Kentucky when Kentucky was number one it was at the palace it Auburn Hills. Umass was fifth. That umass thing was weird for all of us that were from eastern mass. Because we're like are. We really rooting for Western mass. But it was so much fun with cal Leroux the year before. And all those guys so I I really thought that can be was going to be able to do a little bit more offensively. And he showed it to Umass and then he just kind of became a very specific not a role player. That's that's not saying enough about him. He's a starter play for a long time but I still thought there was a version of him that we had a higher ceiling after the break. I'm GonNa read you all the trades. Marcus Camby was ever involved in thanks to talk about one of my favorite companies roots of fight. We've never talked about them on this podcast except for when they made a bunch of Ringer sweatshirts for us our absolutely ridiculous. A great go to their website. You can find awesome. T shirts. Sweatshirts hoodies They did a black history tribute thing for with Joe Louis Mohammed Ali Jack Johnson. 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Two thousand two traded by the Dick's with nee and Mark Jackson for Antonio mcdyess Frank Williams and a second round pick two thousand eight traded by Denver with two thousand ten second to the Clippers for second round draft pick. That was like the rare. Good clipper straight. 'cause he was actually half decent that year and in had some trade value Traded in two thousand ten February to the Blazers for steelers. Willie Warren. Will he warned there? You Go February two thousand ten traded the Trailblazer Steve. Blake and Travis outlaw. Had a nice little Blazers to surgeons then traded to Houston for Johnny Flint had beaten the second. Oh we're not done traded to the Knicks for Tony Douglas Josh Harrison Jerome Jordan and a second then shorts traded to the knicks with Novak Quinton Richardson and a second for Andrea Bark. Donnie side knows Steve. Novak would be a Max player in today's game. No question so he was he. He was involved in a lot of stuff. I have a great marcus. Camby fact for you he makes. He has the iconic lockout ninety nine playoffs. Run where you and gets hurt. And they're actually better off with candy. They come back the next year. They almost make the finals again. In Two Thousand Indiana beat some. He then makes the playoffs two three four ten more times. I ran at every time. Yeah but the differences between like. I hold the playoffs stuff against you unless I really like. You will find a way to spend my favor but if you're the lead guy it's kind of on you. Where can be Obama for that? I'm just ten straight. I read Assamese as really really that. Have to be near record right. Ten th straight if people ship a mellow mellow be like. Hey you've heard of Marcus Camby. Lick it off my back because I always felt like mellow knocks. Were like mellow every time. You Look at mellows playoff losses. When they're all the first round exits. They almost always lost the team. That was better than them anyway. to that's a pro mellow thing but it's it's just sounds better. Be like sucks new plants. So I probably can't be do you dude. I Bake a mistake. How do you look at the board right now? I I have a Marcus Camby point. That's just for you. I'M GONNA. I'm GONNA lightly frightened some sesame oil and give you a dipping sauce so there and you could just eat it. 'cause you're going to enjoy it so much on hold. How should I put on His Jersey for this? You don't have take two seconds. Marcus Camby ahead of time. Yeah if if you take nine thousand nine hundred and Marcus Camby and you move him forward twenty years. He's like the perfect five yesterday. Tyson Chandler still making money. I Marcus Camby would have been like a potentially like really demand. Thank if if Cappella ends up getting fourteen million a year and a first round pick if I can do is better than clink cappella right. I don't know I think Capello was a product of Capelle ended up being better than I thought he'd be but Capello also was a massive beneficiary of art. You know who said it? But he's freaked out the whole time seventh pick. It's tough. I had these guys I had I had can be Wallace and stereoscopic all all huddled together. I guess I'm taken Ben Wallace at seven undrafted which remains incredible Because he was like six six school Virginia away shorter kind of pride that I would have wanted Chicago signs away from Detroit. It's a big deal and within a year is kind of like kind of like semi luggage. They wouldn't let him wear a headband. Remember is weird but They you could argue. He was the best player in the two thousand four Pistons in that playoff run. He's he might have been the most valuable. I know Chauncey won the finals. Mvp And I think it's hard to say who is the most important port in that piston steam because one of these that made them special. Was those five guys together in the way they complement each other. And how good defensively? They were but Ben. Wallace was an absolutely destructive Player there for you look at four straight five straight years Jesus Dating back to Orlando just completely blowing it and getting rid of them in the In the grand held trade just having no idea what the have or what they had you go after that he shows up in Detroit in two thousand one and from two thousand one to two thousand five. He's thirteen rebounds a game three blocks a game and one and a half steals a game like he's his black steals their for half a decade are Hakeem. David Robinson in person was same thing like it really did feel like he was the best defensive player in the League The biggest defensive asset. Anybody had there for a while. He he held his own against shack. Those in Oh four when shack was really trying to go back into the way back machine and really only had one Grega game against them and I don't know I mean. He brought so many bad things to the table. The free throw shooting was abominable. He was an offensive liability but just figured out how to do so many different things. I would just rather have him than anybody else on this list. So there you go. I loved him. Yeah the best version of him was unbelievable the way he could switch he's listed six nine. I don't know I don't even know but it didn't matter. It was unbelievable watching what he could do as a defensive player. And that's what I really love about. That Pistons team is that you had wallace. You could switch out to anyone on the perimeter like he just could then you had chauncey who could switch and defend some power forward and the post. He wasn't going to give up because John was so damn strong. And smart and taste Sean. Had linked to at least challenge a little bit and then Rashid's there who could kind of be all over the place. I mean it was really an incredible roster one through five of guys that you're just found a way to complement each other. I remember look. I thought when we were making fun of the idea that you know we liked Some of my Mrs Marcus. Fizer being one of them when I wanted. Wallison is fourth year to Orlando. I liked. I liked him I. He played eighty one games that year. I you know I always kind of like a little bit. But you're right. I mean never cracked double figures. He ended up in the thirty percent of the free throw line. It was getting awful. I mean it was like he was flirting with fifty and then it got worse and I remember Larry. Brown is always a very good lesson too for younger. Who people down there like. They were giving Ben Wallace in touch. Remember Weird that was when they Oklahoma City would let perk at the first offensive touch of every game and he would like to play in the post and you just grab. What are you doing right? I that was sort of just this thing that the thunder always seem to want to do probably westbrook wanted to do it. And everybody just sells had listen But Larry Series Larry. Brown would talk about wanting Ben Wallace. You get more touches and I'd go. Why would you ever do that with this? Guy's zero an offense but it was a really good point is that it sucks to just rebound defend all game so the more we can get him a touch every now and then the more engaged. She's going to be so when there are plays run. That aren't the best offensive option. Stand that there's a payoff to it. If you have the right guy and Wallace was that guy peak wallace. I just loved his first. Seventy Five playoff games for the Pistons from. Oh Two oh. Five is fourteen rebounds a game two point six blocks two point zero steals as mattis and he he barely even cracked ten points a game during that stretch but I never did is one of those guys that if you bet against them. You know if you're actually like literally gambled against the Pistons in a playoff game. I I just hated going against them. I was felt like he was GonNa do the right thing at the right time. And I gotTA say the O. Five finals him in Rasheed together. The job they did on Dunkin Dunkin's never been treated like that defensively over the course of two weeks in his peak like he was in that like they really. They really throttled them. So I'm going seven. He goes to the clippers. The number eight pick. This would have been the nets. Who Do you have? I also didn't I should've mentioned rip Hamilton in that group Real quick on Wallace. Follow up would he thrives today or a liability. Because it's a tough answer. I'm not sure I have the answer. I think he's worse off now because you can't play for five offensively now with the spacing out. I don't know where he would stand on the court. I mean you'd almost have to use him. Like Philly was using Ben Simmons during those playoff games when they didn't know where to put him and he was just kind of circling around on the baseline. That's really the only thing you could do with them. Otherwise he would screw up. You know he would either clog the middle or he would scream. You could set picks them. But nobody's GONNA guard him stepping off for three or anything. I don't. I'm not really sure what you would do. I think he was in the right area. Okay but that's the argument against but think about the big guys that he had to defend at his size that he's giving up all the time and now if you look at how small the frontlines on it. I still think if you're good enough you can get away with one guy that's on an offensive threat. I mean the goal now is to put five guys out there to get your bucket but I think Wallace would beat. I'm betting on Prime Wallace to find a way to abuse the other five in a size down league to maybe even get you a few more points. Just because he's dominating the board so much So I'm not going to completely write him off because of spacing. No I don't either. I just think he was in the right area. I think within that would have really helped him. Was How many more possessions and the pace of how people play now. I think you know he was so athletic. Guy He would've loved that right versus. Yeah just getting up and running around saying yes on that now you talked me into maybe better now. Let's bring him in. There was money All right you're the pet. Could he have Pasia? Yep there's an argument for pasia ahead a CHAMBI ahead of Wallace. Oh Yeah M- you know pasia flirting you know. Probably better off the top of your head but what did he come in second? Mvp One year was of it but he was or was he just on the conversation. And I'm not remembering the voting. No he had he had a year was the first team on only made three all star teams. Oh Yeah Oh forty second team all NBA and yeah he was he fourth in the two thousand four. Mvp's at possible. I thought there was. Yeah he was way up there. Yeah are two thousand four. Mvp Ballot Kevin Garnett. I Duncan Second. Jermaine O'Neal third page of four. Kobe Bryant five shack. Six Ben Wall seven saying shack out loud sixt just sounds bucket stupid but that was the air when he I know but it was. That was right. It was after everything had gone down but I don't know this is one of those shack. Mvp things so it's funny. Pasia was another little head of his time. Guy Never took never took seven threes in a season year after years. Starting Oh one. He's shooting forty percent from three. He has basically an entire decade until two thousand nine of shooting forty percent for three from. Oh One two oh. Eight forty one percent from three taking almost six game twenty a game. A guy who I think if these playing now would have been so much more dangerous and so much more fun to watch. It's hard to think of him without thinking of him brick in that shot against in game seven against the Lakers when he just add both hands around his neck but he rebounded at least a little bit from it yet big time numbers and he was huge. Like this guy was a guy that could handle? I mean he's listed six ten I you know. I don't know. We shave an inch year. But he never felt like the one. You never felt like okay. They're that's who their best player. Isn't you know. Go back to the beginning of the Weber stuff and how good that. Sacramento team was from a talent standpoint. But he put up some massive numbers fan would for somebody we never think of is like the key franchise guy. Just you're right those those middle years there. There's just it's unbelievable as the eighth pick of the strapped in this guy that still available. I'm GonNa Lightly Fried another great point and give you a little more dipping sauce with this one. Is HE KLAY WITH NO PR WHOA? I don't think I responded. Well enough to your fried appetizers thing on the candy thing I just sort of blown away by the whole deal and I was. Kinda maybe just saying I want to change into that Jersey debating tank top for the zoom anyway. But yeah what's he probably handled that ball? How a lot more than Clayton says has to be this. Beauty Klay doesn't dribble. He was just as good of a three point. Shooter is clay was he was actually. You could run entire offenses around him. I don't I actually think of clay was on a bad team. You could've run offenses runner but they were weirdly. Similar like what their skill sets. Were and clay. I think You know hits the Lottery and ends up with Steph. I think of Pasia had been on a team like that. We would have had one conversation about over the last ten years. When was the last patient stock conversation? Anyone said it's never happened. Yeah right like I forgot. He was in New Orleans for four years. He also had a very very sneaky. Nobody remembers this. Two Thousand Eleven mavs. Big Br- big brother to dirk kind of thing. Did he play in the playoffs for the look? Look at that play at seven point. Eighteen minutes a game for the eleven maps in the playoffs. Oh wait that's right. No no yeah I remember that yeah. Nobody nobody remembers that though he's never mentioned as like a member and pasia got his ring. A whole collection of those guys was that whole eleven. Mavs team is just so weird. Because you're like wait a minute. Who's his it was? He probably argue the least talented team. I Dunno at least yeah of the last twenty years lease talented team to win a title. It was certainly the The only team that only had one guy to win the title Kit. Jason Terry Terry Marianne Chandler Marion Great Role pasia. Yeah how about that and Rodney Blah? The untouchable Roddy beloit the asset. Nice pick this normally. We're only going to fourteen. Pick WAS DALLAS Marbury has officially fallen far enough. That guy was a huge asset. He I I remember when he ended up on Phoenix finally after the kid trade really really enjoying him in. Amari together that one playoff series against the suns. I you know. Put up huge numbers every night. You'd be like thirty and again from this guy and he's somebody that if you put him now and spread the floor for him. He was one of those guys that Kevin Johnson's like this From from way back there's guys now like this like Westbrook's definitely like this spread the four. He's going by people and getting the Rim Barbara could get by whoever wanted. If it is Marbury Lillard with the worst attitude four. Lillard cops on his ready. I don't know he You know it's a classic. What if he cagey gets his giant contract then the rules change and Marbury has just bummed out. He knows he's Never GonNa make nearly as much as cagey and will. Never be the number of guy in the team and push his trade to the nets and he stayed with stuff. It was one of those. Everyone was worse off by the traits. But you know I think we remember he gets he goes to the Knicks thinks. Get Super Weird in a bunch. Different ways finally ends up on that Weirdo Night Celtics team. The where Cagey wasn't playing and they supposed to be the missing piece score really excited about that. I was not. I was not excited. You weren't excited about that. Was everybody gets way too excited about buyouts. I just feel like Point guards especially the hit a point and there's no coming back where it's almost like running backs with Franco accepted. Where when they go from level one to level two or level three wherever they're just there's no rally back all right. You'RE UP TEN INDIANA DUDE. An hour and a half in. I know we're gonNA zoom through this. This is I could do a lot of different things here. There's one name out there was productive. Just do it. So it's the right. Pick still picks second-best player and a team that almost made the finals. I gotTA take one over. Sharieff have do you have to Sarai pick now on twelve? Is the best example go ahead? Why don't you take the floor here for a little bit? And I'll plug in anyhow. We don't need to do. We don't do ten minutes talker but he made multiple all star teams. Second Best Guy and it didn't. That almost made the finals like he sharieff. Sharieff never had one memorable basketball moment. Thuan is the second best player on a team that made the Eastern Conference finals. Oh one right no I understand but I really feel like if we're going to knock. I mean God take how bad the East really was for for that stuff to happen for them. Because they were or they. We have one point thinking they're gonNa play in the NBA finals. Like real like they're gonNA beat. The Nets took a two one lead in that series to lead. That's right they blow game for they lose game five and then that's come in and finish them off a game six but the blowing game four was you know. I think they could have won. If they didn't blow that. Can there is a version of Thuan and I have to have the version that we saw over twelve years? But there's a version of John that they could have been. His skill set was so high but Patino immediately hated him. But then Pitino was kind of like play defense and you guys can take all the bad threes you want his shot consciousness Consciousness was one of the worst of any player I've ever seen in my entire life except for his size he could handle. He could pass. He could do all these things but it just it was like it was just a little off. It was off just a little for it to actually be kind of tough to watch a really long stretches. And it wasn't a shock you know here's age before he's a GM of the Celtics trashing his game on TNT broadcast. And the first thing he does what he gets the GIG is gets out of there but I have a little bit of a soft spot in my heart for Taiwan also fully willing to admit that it was really gross for long stretches. I liken it to a little kid like the youngest brother in a big family who just nobody's paying attention to bonus Jonas. He had like the five kids. The sullivans in melrose and the youngest kid the other kids and one's in jail and one's football quarterback then there's that V kid nobody knows wherever is and he just develops a bunch of bad habits. Thuan was just unchecked for the first five years of his NBA career basically and was in bad situations and develop some bad habits but the thing that killed him was he lost confidence with free. Throw shooting in. Oh Two zero three and once that happened he stopped going to the line. He stopped driving to the basket and he just became this jump shooter and he was never really a good shooter when he was really good at was around the rim stuff and his passing and he had all these different tools but once he lost his free. Throw shooting confidence. It was a little like what happened to Rondo. When rather just didn't WanNA get fouled anymore. It completely changed how he played. It's really weird when you notice it too. Yeah and you usually only noticed if it's like your team you're watching them all the time like I remember. Pierce had this really weird stretch. Where he wasn't making free throws close late situations to the point where I went through and track them. All and then put it together was like he's eighty percent. He's like sixty three percent NI spots and I remember. I asked one of our guys at the Celtics go. Hey have you noticed this thing with? He Goes Oh my God and appears sorta figured it out and corrected He was fine again but Thuan Thuan would also put together. These moves for his size that most guys couldn't even dream of doing and then he just back rim it. Yeah I've never seen a guy break people down get open. These spin moves back. You Down Hooks both hands. He had all of this stuff and it was like. It was like a math equation. Where it looked at you did it. And you're like Oh look how good this is like. Yeah okay but that's outside the parentheses so none of this works. He was a really tough confident guy. Who knew where to go and what to do in a basketball court and he goes to Miami no six and plays big minutes for them and kind of knows where to go and what to do wasn't afraid to take bigshots shots. He was afraid to get foued obviously was not afraid to take big he was there was nothing more. Thuan than like up to fifty seconds to go. He brings it into the front core. He Jacks it because he wants to have the dagger shot and yet miss. He missed them all the time. Yeah he really wanted to eat hero ball with something that meant a lot to him all right. Four more picks left number eleven th pick who has taken in the actual draft. It was golden state. Well we'll do better than they did with that pick. I I'm going. Oh Gos- care you know. He hung around a lot longer than he should have. It seemed like when he when his feet started to go out on images see Mike. His career is going to be over in four five years. It ended up playing for a pretty long time where we see. He was twentieth in the actual draft but You Know He. He hung around and he was for his career was thirteen and seven. Can you thought he was toast is third year? In you. Didn't play would injure so miss? Basically his second and third season Lee comes back twenty five. And you're like this guy's shot and he had a nice run beloved teammate. So I I think that's our epic. Do you ever number twelve all right still a lot of value out there and now I could do roll guy here. Which is a re. There's go in the first round. There's one famous role guy left. Yeah although Jay y de Junkyard dodger all Williams out of Georgetown. Nice little run. But he's still too talented. I USED TO ARGUE FOR SHERIFF ABDUL RAHIM. Because he was he was the poster boy for his era of big numbers. Empty he sucks. His teams. Weren't very good. He was part of the sole thing that happened on trade night. Where SHARIA TO ATLANTA? And then they stunk to do you know off the top of your head. How many playoff games sharieff team played in his entire career? I do has won one playoff series six total. I used to fix Gabes. I used to call it the SCHRIEF door. Hime allstars for guys who just put up empty calories that would be the Sharieff. Mvp this year right. But don't I still have to take him twelfth? Yeah yeah that's so. He was good. He actually was good. And maybe it's grocer now when a guard puts up empty stats than a big. Yeah maybe that's maybe that's kind of cool version of NBA. Eras here is that you had the empty calorie guys that were bigger and now the empty calorie guys are all small to put to put his value in perspective. You have to look at a couple of trades in two thousand one. He's basically traded for the reds Topography Saul when pass it? Yeah in its witch Tinsley and I liked so Atlanta's like we could take Pao absol. This young kid from Spain or we could lock in a sheriff Abdul Rahim and that was a smarter smarter idea then it Oh four. He got traded with ratliff. Four was the Rasheed deal. Wasn't it whether person in Rasheed Wallace Rasheed? That's the Best Jersey ever. The Rasheed Wallace Fox Jersey because he played one game. Yeah that'd be like Tom Brady Bucks Jersey so you think he's only gonNA play one Game Thirteenth. Pick so much stain so mad. I get mad every day. Is Watching. Falcons Falcons Patriots Super Bowl. Today has how could he play for another team? This is in say cinema's greatest ever had I'm taking Kerry kittles with the thirteenth pick for. This'll be four. Oh Charlotte care. Kettles Good Charlotte jaw shorter career than it should have any. Add some health issues but I got to say the Celtics went against them in two straight playoff series. I was always scared. When he was open. He was one of those guys that when he missed. You were surprised and the stats. Don't actually back it up. He's that's okay but it just is one of those guys. There's something about how he carried himself and shot the basketball that you just felt like. Oh that's going in thirty thirty eight percent career. Three point shooter. He took three point. Six A game. fourteen point career score just got traded to the clippers in two thousand five in his career like basically abruptly ended but I was taught him at Kid. Where get together android that backward okay? The last pick Dante Jones member Mississippi state. I love that final four Melito still available. Rainy Livingston Go Tigers. Yeah let's talk about some of the guys that are available because we also have Derek Fisher is available Erick Dampier Travis. Night is available little Shannon Anderson Mucci Norris who brought in ten years in out of Georgia. Yeah Lorenzen Wright. You mentioned him. Jeff beginning James. Ns Chemistry killer. Yeah it's just. I can't believe you made the Joe quicker than I did as I was about to say it out loud priest Lauderdale just a couple of years at Central State University. But I'm sure a lot of dudes kind of liked him when they saw walk into a room. Like taking Fella Harrington twelve years in a you know why always sneaky like was Ryan minor out of Oklahoma. Did Not allow remember that. You GotTa go Derek Fisher here you know what I'm getting. I don't want him to coach my executive but I wanted to be a guy that I trust and for some reason extended his career and other four or five years by dribbling into everybody on open layups because he could never get a fucking shot off against anybody towards the end in the ref gave him the call every damn time down the court so if I know. I'm getting that if I know I'm getting as soon as Fisher slows down. The rest are going to bail him out for another four or five years. GimMe that guy. He played eighteen seasons. He's fifth in this class in minutes. Thirty two thousand seven hundred nineteen minutes. The advanced metrics do not like them but came up big in a lot of big games. Well that was More points than Marcus Camby. That was really fun. I gotta ask you before we go. This is Chris Ryan Brought this up in a later. Draft that we'd already recorded guy that you still having given up on even though he's retired. Guy. You're still keeping your fingers crossed. The WHO's the Jeff Green in this draft for you. I said Ryan minor but he was busy. He had other stuff going on. You know who I always right John Wallace out of Syracuse. Because John Wallis he's he's a really good example he was gonNA leave after his junior year is a big. He's kind of like he really is like a poor. Man's Derrick Coleman talent production. Right and Wallace has this great run with Syracuse. Get to the title game. And they're like look. How much guy improved his stock and he went eighteenth which is pretty much gonNa go after his junior year. I always thought that the John Wallace stories one of the it wasn't even a lesson. It was specific to him. But here's this guy comes back massive numbers. He was so much fun in that tournament. Nba body face up for big. All these things you think he plays accuse good time you know just awesome production and he went in the exact same spot would have gone to come out of the earlier. You left out. He got game. I haven't seen that. Wow Yeah he's in there. He got game him Travis. Best and And Walter McCarty Earl in there My Guy that I have not given up on yet even though I probably should Jason Baylis not no. I'm GONNA say the Jamwal's was a really good one. You know almost WANNA say Travis night but I don't say Walter McCarty. I saw Tony Fifty three point game. I watched the first year I had league pass. I watched it live. He was unstoppable. The crazy thing is he wasn't taking threes. I don't think he made at three. In the game. It was all mid range and up and unders and lay ups and when the Celtics made the terrible Joe Johnson Trade to get him and Rodney. Rogers I gotta say as much as I hated giving up a Joe Johnson Fifty Games. They had a chance to make the finals. I thought Tony Delk was going to push them to another level. I was all that so I've always enjoyed his game. He thought he was very vinnie. Johnson ish I love the Joe Johnson Trade. 'cause it's the worst and the way terrible related to me. Was that like Thuan. Pierce were mean to him. Yeah right so so because they were mean to him. It's like well. Let's trade him for Rodney. Rogers not going to resign and delicate was nice piece of that. But my favorite delk stuff is Ashley Judd. Apparently she was legitimately into him in delk was like too shy. Tony delk Too Shy so thanks for watching the nineteen ninety-six redraft. 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The 1996 Re-Draftapalooza, Ray Allen vs. Allen Iverson, and Week 3 Quarantine Recs With Ryen Russillo | The Bill Simmons Podcast

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I just wanted to give it to somebody later the same thing when I got engaged I was supposed to get engaged with my wife at dinner. I had the ring the night before. We're in my basement and I ended up just kind of just saying fuck it and I gave her the ring the night before I was supposed to I. I'm a guy likes to hand out presents. This is the present we are redrafting every single NBA draft from ninety six on starting today in this podcast. And then we're going through. We'RE GONNA run off them on booker basketball but one of them's going to be on Russillo this week. We have already banked ninety seven ninety eight ninety nine. Russillo is on a couple of them and And our do in this one and I didn't have to twist your arm to do this. That this is this is one of my favorite ones. I mean all the different storylines of this though but you know how it's connected Larry Round come into Philly the year after this cow being with New Jersey in the whole Kobe storyline Patino. And the the back and forth Larry Brown and that whole story in Patino comes into next year and all the money that those guys were pulling down at the time was like astronomical than Pitino's contract was crazy but all of that stuff is connected and when you go through this Iverson was clearly the number one guy but there is when we redraft this. Redraft this for real. I wanted to go first because the number one is very obvious with Kobe. But there's a real question of of what why how far down should Iverson go right? How far behind some of these other guys or does he automatically go number two because some people listening to this show? Kobe won Iverson to and then the rest of the conversation. I'm not sure that that's the case. And the fact that it felt like the GM's were all like on adderall. That night and couldn't stop calling each other and making trades because you sent me that text this this trade is absurd how loaded it is and then some of the guys you even forget in it. So it wasn't just this headliners. There's some real depth to their holds up historically. Yes so we pick ninety six. It's it's one of the two iconic drafts ever along with the nineteen eighty-four draft. It's either the best draft ever the second best draft ever Depending on you know what you favor but it's also a fascinating point with basketball. Because you have it still. College basketball is still feels like college basketball. You still have guys stand for two three. Even four years sometimes. Still have the big coaches. The audience is still there. People still love it and the products really good but you can feel things starting to shift and it shifts the year before when Cagey goes right from high school to the NBA and in this draft. Specifically if Kobe's a high schooler. Nobody has a feel for what that means where he should go. He's gone all these workouts. He's knocking people socks off and yet there's a real hesitation. It's not much different than K. G. The year before where he falls to five and even though people are like well talent wise guys probably the best guy. Joe Smith Goes Four. Picks ahead of them But you so yeah that the one and done stuff is really starting at this point Anton Windsor title a Kentucky and just comes out. He's he's he's just done that's it. He's he's ready to go. The NBA is nineteen years. Old Ends up going six in this draft but use these worlds are colliding. College basketball is really about to change. We don't fully understand that yet. We still have a lot of history with a lot of these guys and within probably four years college basketball just kinda starts to turn into something else it died. It's not the same kind of town pool. It all starts with this draft. What else do you remember about ninety six just from a big picture standpoint? Okay so the cagey stuff. The year before is probably one of my favorite things in that we do this. We do this deal where it happens. A lot in college boards. But I think it's overall just in this. In this way we navigate things when things are new when things are different. And it's not the norm or like wait a minute you know. What are they doing like? I don't really like this I remember in the eighties if a kid left after a sophomore year. You're like what's wrong with this guy. Like who's he thinks he is and all the stuff like. Oh he might not be ready. And it's like it's not. You're not drafting to be ready. You're drafting for what somebody could be. And this is as you said. It's part of that transition the media and it's not just media sports fans and sometime selfishly college sports fans. This is an just ridiculous pattern but people seem to care about other people's education levels way more than they should especially when they're people you're never going to meet so yeah he was going to jump straight from high school and really we decades removed from guys doing it before it's like. Who Does this guy think? He is one of my favorite lines. That are repeated a million times as mad dog Chris Russo doing radio and I would listen religiously to he and Mike and the dog and he's like maybe cagey should just play the home games and not go on Road Games. And you're like wait a minute but this was like he was challenging things so but that time it was like well at least. Kgb's like a seven footer. And he's a big man because if we've ever had happened before you know Moses Malone some others it was going to be a big man that would do it and for Kobe to come into the VAT year's draft ninety six and be a perimeter player. It was immediately met with resistance because we didn't have access to any of these legendary workouts. The only people that really knew how good he was were either himself is family or the people are going to these workouts and yet he's still almost goes outside of the lottery because it was trading right right and honestly the way he got traded. We'll go through all that kind of stuff. It was all kind of navigated with agents. I also think too. That's important agents. At this time I feel like are far more powerful with positioning. Who goes where in the draft. And what happens and scaring teams off? I think the agents in the nineties had more power when it came to the draft than they do today and there's real resistance to all of this at the time and that's the hardest thing to explain. I think a few watch the Fab five documentary that we did for It was not really a thirty for thirty years for. Espn was that weird stretch when we're making thirty for thirty days then we're calling. Ah Still Count as a thirty for thirty. I watch with my son recently because my son just knows. Jalen from the guy who's come over to my house and the guy is my friend and he was like Bush Jalen was was jailed. A good basketball player Mike. Yeah Jalen was like an icon so we watched that fat five thing and you can really feel it in that and I highly recommend that as a reward for people where you know. Five freshman starting was inconceivable Freshman carrying themselves. The way they did there was like this real sense with the old school college basketball community that they were losing control of this thing where it's like the Ncaa College Basketball College football all of it. Wherein control these kids are playing for us and starting with that FAB. Five things start to flip and the whole infrastructure is now in danger and it's all leading to this ninety five and then especially the ninety six draft where it's like all right now these kids are. GonNa use you use them. They're gonNA leave after year. They might not even go to college anymore when we when I was growing up it was Moses Malone and Bill Willoughby eraser those two guys in the mid seventies Moses went straight to the A. B. at a high school Bill Willoughby the next year went to the NBA Right. Outta high school and never really made it and then darkens ends up on the sixers and had a pretty good career and then it just shut down For until K. G. and there were still that weird attitude that you just mentioned in tapped into of people being really dismissive in untrustworthy of talented guys. Coming in to young like we were protecting them. I'm not sure what we're protected them for other than just making more money right away right. Think about Patrick Ewing. He should've come into the NBA. After one year Georgetown he made he lost three. Nba Seasons. 'cause he's play. He played for years at Georgetown. Was it worth it? I don't know it was also the norm. You're right but John Thompsons type of guy that like had so much power back then. Patrick Ewing wasn't gonNA leave early now. I mean Walter. Berry left early and I remember being like. Oh okay whatever. He's ready to go at Walter. Barry's one of the guys at Saint John's who I I loved and thought okay. Well he's going to be starting didn't really work out and then that would always happened because I started become like. Hey all of these guys should bounce the sooner you can get into the league and and prevent them from finding out that you can't play go ahead and do it And you'd be surprised like you would think most GM's would've wanted there to be players in college longer to have more of a sample to watch him but over the years. Most the guy that I talked to you said you know you just should be able to come right out of high. School would rather get him in here and as far as getting into trouble and that kind of stuff I think there's three categories of people. All right there are kids that have it figured out and understand and enter for more mature and I think sometimes in your hit kid in high school. That's going to that kind of spotlight like Lebron. James was already mature beyond his years because he had been in the spotlight for such a long time that he kind of understood what was being asked of him. And if you think about like the blueprint for wanting to just nail it at least how you're accepted socially it's Lebron James Cagey was one of those guys in a way to not as out front of the face of a franchise cages. Kinda knew how to to make it work. Like he wasn't going to be a bad kid where other people like. The other category is is kids. That are just bad kids and I don't care if you're going to the pros out of high school after one year of college. He probably didn't get into trouble. Because you left for the pros too early. You probably get in trouble. 'cause YOU'RE GONNA get in trouble no matter where you were and then. I think there's a kids that do something wrong. Adjust and then never make that mistake again. So I there was all these things always put on it and I think we do this all the time. Like in general stuff like Ebay. I remember when Ebay was first announced in Gaza. Like wait. What you're GONNA put something up for sale and then people you don't know or just going to bid on it and you're gonNA trusted they're gonNA pay for it. Well that's fucking stupid and it works like think about right shares. Wait so my my daughter is some guy some assholes gonNA drive over some stranger in his previous pick my daughter up and he's going to drive her to the mall. Well that's crazy that's not going to happen and then ends up. Being this unbelievable successful company that people try to emulate so I think when it comes to sports that even if you did it for the NFL said well what if kids just came out of high school. Yes I think the first thing is you worry about the physical development of some of these guys but is there any version of it? Worth guys came out of college football earlier that we would go. Hey you know what wasn't a big deal. Is having a quarterback leave at first freshman year and get some pro? Coaching become a pro a lot earlier than another two years playing at the college level. And that is where this started these two years for running back so it'd been great too so when I was a kid. The nineteen eighty south takes birds. First season they lose they lose to Philly and five but read are back had made this trade and they had the number one. Pick 'cause he had traded Bob mcadoo and had this future number one and becomes the number one pick in the whole draft and they know this. Sampson has just finished his his freshman year. Virginia and Sampson is the lost Sure thing from the eighties nineties basically. You're talking Shack Ewing David Robinson Hakeem team. Yeah and having a key member the first taking article I ever read. I was in elementary school and I was like. What are the rockets doing serious? It was crazy and I was in sixth grade. So Sampson was like the fifth of the shore things from the eighties nineties and read are back. Wants him to come out for the draft. And he's Kinda lobbying for and people are getting mad at red are back and and you know there's this people come back at them going. What's what's nothing's more important than an education and and read gets in trouble he goes. What's a kid going to become a doctor like he's an NBA player? He should come out right now. Seventy four and he's trying to you know and it's a really good. What if because if he comes out Sampson was just unbelievable? His knees started going on them and in the mid eighties. But if you think about it. He spent three more years in Virginia and then ends up on Houston. That's a lost year. Hakeem shows up by the time he you know it's five years later before he's on a decent team he could have gone on that. Celtics team with all that stuff so anyway we go through the eighties and basically to the cagey moment. And that's when that starts to flip the other thing was Iverson was already really polarizing heading into that draft because he'd gone to jail for the Bowling Alley. We did a thirty for thirty on that whole thing too. It was really messed up. He got an. It was so messed up. He ended up getting as much trouble as he did for that against. That's what I mean he. He got completely railroaded and then he got eventually got part and he goes out ending up Georgetown and he's Super Fun to watch that one year in the biggest back when the biggest was still a thing at at some point it becomes the Alan Iverson draft. And he's clearly gonNA go first. They don't win the title with him. Georgetown but still really fun. And it's a loaded draught. And you mentioned all these all. These trades that end up affecting the draft and all these different ways. I can't emphasize strongly enough. If you don't think I'd be teams. Knew what they were doing in two thousand nineteen in two thousand twenty and if you think we had some bad GM's dubbed decisions. Let me take you back to the mid nineties because it was a apocalypse of bad decision making and a lot of them all. Creston that draft. What was your favorite trade of all the trades? I you 'cause I'd forgotten. Mo actually one trade with the MO car heading into that ninety six draft. I think that I think he did it the week before. He Traded Eric Montross and the nights pick to the Mavericks for the number six pick and a future pick which became the six pick in the following year's draft which could have been Tracy McGrady if they had done the right thing but That enabled him to move into number six. And Take Insulin. I think if they had stayed at number nine. I actually do think they would've taken Kobe. I know that's a creole based on what I do. 'cause he worked out for the Celtics and like they loved him but they weren't GonNa take him at six but I think he there's a picture of him online with him in the Celtics t shirt and they made a big deal after about how much how how impressed they were by an six was too early nine to fourteen was Kinda. Kobe arranged for this draft right. I think anything earlier in that would seem obscene but apparently the nets are going to take them to and they they they Calipari at thank overruled. Whoever else or vice versa. I can't remember the story. Okay well a couple of things I you know Iverson. Was there two years right? His was that yet that showdown with Ray I look through this and go my man Lorenzen. Wright they're seven to the clippers Kittles ends up going eight. So that's the thing I spent the most time on today going back over. What cal set you and I both know this. There is no survival instincts stronger then the GM years removed from the decision. That didn't go his way and cow. What happens a lot of times if somebody makes MRS on somebody or they'll tell you how badly they wanted him. After the fact and then they blame everybody else for it Let's let's say college word here. I'm not sure we should. Let's let's do it as a as a thought exercise okay. So they've got the eighth pick. They've worked Koby out a belief three times fairleigh Dickinson and calpers. Losing his mind. John Nash who was I this is one of the biggest. Dick had moves. I've ever done on a live show but I was so upset. When the sixers traded Moses Malone and the number one pick that was gonna be Brad daugherty because I couldn't wait to see Barclay Moses Malone Brad daugherty will back you is your Guy Barker was my guy so I was like that's saying like Barclays GonNa play small forward because he could have and instead they traded Moses and Terry Catlin's I believe for Jeff ruined and Cliff Robinson the one from the Harlem globetrotters and they pick for Hinson. Yup the door to pick for Hinson. Yeah Jordi boarded paper Hinson now. I'd heard years later. Years Years removed that they wanted to get Moses Outta Philadelphia But that's what they ended up with ended up with two bigs from the bullets in Roy. Hinson who was always hurt all the time and so John. Nash was the Front Office Guy at that time. Now national being the GM of the trailblazers when they did the Martell webster pick when they moved down. You know there was the Chris. Paul Darren Williams draft Ron Williams And I was on a Philadelphia Com cash. Oh I was in Boston and Nash was on the panel back in Philly and I was like well. You know whatever they were talking about as it gets not as bad as traded Moses in the number one pick for Hinson and some bullets and everybody else the panels like Jesus. I later apologized to John and he was actually really good to me Because later on it like I said he was in the League but the reason I bring that up is that Nash was the one going to cal saying we have to take them in Catholic. I WANNA take him. Cal had dinner with Kobe's parents the night before the draft McKay and Joe Bryant saying rookie year all star second season and cows like here. I'm thinking his father's delusional at the same time. Like he was totally right about him. And then ARN tellem calls up and says if you take Kobe he's GonNa play in Italy. You just took this Gig. You're fucked and CAL was like look. I can't do this in my own building. I can't screw this one up and Dave Fox who had all sorts of Jews back in the ninety S. You know that as well as anybody call and just kept hammering on the Kerry kittles thing the Kerry kittles thing and so the next day they have lunch. Calbury tells Nash. I'm not taking Koby. I'm afraid he's going to go. I can't get this wrong. You know aren't as on my case about kittles Joe Talbot. Who was the owner of the nets at the time? Wet to those two guys and said I want John Wallace instead at a Sarah Juice. Oh no yeah so you know. Look how clearly was enamored with them. But I always wonder when we start talking about stuff that happened. Twenty twenty five years ago when it's a bad decision like how often people will make excuses for something that went bad. It's pretty much human nature. Why I remember the famous Celtics draft. When they took Joe Johnson Caja Brown and Joe Forte Twenty. One and Martineau Jana. Say here well. They made a big point. It'd be like you know that was red's pick read really loved them. I just read was like in his mid seventy s at that point he was. You know the old guy they were. He was in the war room out of basically respect. And that's it wasn't like he was burned in the game film at night and I suppose refused to believe that read was in control of what of the three first round picks at that stage of his life. You know the way was holding me. It was like he had a gun on everyone in the room. Oh yeah well forte. Because the relationship with a high school coach once Forte didn't pan out. That's exactly what happened. So here is the draft just for the people listening who don't remember the sequence phillies first. They take Iverson Toronto. A second they take Marcus Camby Vancouver. Takes Sharieff of door. Rehim who Was very very highly regarded prospect and was a huge high school kid and that was actually picked up. Made Sense. Stefan MARBERRY GOES FORTH TO MILWAUKEE. Rayon goes fifth to Minnesota. They end up flipping picks Anton Walker goes six to Boston. And I remember at the time didn't have a lot going on I think that was the summer started. Bartending really being convinced this was a six person draft so when M. L. who has more on the The AM stated for Moron. Here's a GM when he trades up into the top six was like this is great. This is a six pair draft. It's impossible to move into the top sex when it's six per but they pulled it off. Clippers are seven Lorenzen Wright. The Nets are eight. They take care kittles. Who's better than people remember but man that Kobe thing is tough. Man I mean kittles thing was injuries more than Dallas. is nine with Somalia Walker Indiana Takes Erick Dampier ten and then we have an incredible Combo. Hair GOLDEN STATE ELEVEN CLEVELAND. Twelve todd fuller tally. Papago and then the next five picks Charlotte Kobe Bryant Sacramento Pace Pages Academic Phoenix Steve Nash. Charlotte Tony delk PORTLAND. Jermaine O'Neal and as we as you're gonNA see when Redo this this draft And I I did in two thousand fourteen. I wrote a whole piece. I- redrafted every draft for twenty years for Grantland with the point being This is a crap shoot. Why do we throw ourselves into these draft so much? There's no rammer reason to any of this. This is probably the all-time example Were you have a couple of blue chippers that we were to be good? And then some guys adding nowhere that become transcendent hall of Famer. Steve Nash Fifteenth. Pick Santa Clara. I remember when you saw Nash. Get the hat and come across the stage. Do you remember where you were in your reaction because I do? I just remember instinctively rooting for him for some reason because it was like. Oh wait. Canadian point guard who just went fifty. I knew nothing whether there was the other thing in ninety six was we had no youtube. We had no big boards. There is no not even the person to people before Chad forward. There is really nothing you just had talk radio and you had people going. I I really like I entwine walk and I thought he was really good in the march madness and that was like our college basketball back. Then we stand. That's it. I mean you you. The Internet wasn't and I. I feel like we repeat ourselves this whenever that comes up but it just unless you watch the Santa Clara Game Live. You didn't know what the hell was going on so at first. You're like who's the intern you know what's going on here with Nash. Well we remember how much we would rely on the little clips. After the guy got picked they would show right and remembers twenty. I love what I saw as clips but the NFL draft is always hilarious to me. Because you know going to that live maybe once and God bless you if you do. Maybe if it's just a you and your boys guys weaker weekend or whatever it is in India but you have to admit even today ninety percent of the guys being announced you haven't watched one fucking snape okay and so what you do. Is You talk yourself into because of a article? You read or a Clip. That you see some defensive lineman or some guard and really all you want is just fantasy guys. You can have fantasy guys from your favorite football team. But now we're so updated like it so funny that the NFL draft is still kind of this outdated think as most guys are. GonNa sit there and start watching guard film going. There could be a couple of guards of available twenty. But that's what we were doing. We were blind in nineteen ninety six and then I was. I was back home that summer. I was added Buddy's house I was like I don't care what the plan is tonight. Like I'm watching the draft and then I'll meet up with you guys after and they're like you're GonNa Watch this of course I'm going to watch this whole thing and His clips when they fired him up. I'm like Whoa like WHO's this guy. Where's he been hiding but it still seemed you know. Like WHO Steve? Nash really going to be that. Good it just. It was such an unknown to see his clips. It was just you know I was in college still and I just went out like I wish I had seen this guy play. I love the draft my entire life. I remember when they did not televise. The draft you that so I remember. There's I'm gonNA say early eighties. I think they started televising. It somewhere in the early eighties but I remember one year. The Celtics had a couple of second round picks one of was Tracy Jackson they took from Notre Dame but I remember listening to that draft on the radio because it wasn't on TV and it's one of the local sports stations are radio stations was just just running it and it was like with the thirty first. Pack the Celtics Tracy Jackson and then at some point at some point they realized they should start televising it and in general they re. They realized what they had stumbled into around the Sampson. Hakeem Ewing era when so before the UN thing. That was when they added the lottery. They at some point realize that there was a televised spectacle. That should be happening. Which really wasn't much different than football. Football was showing the drafts. Either until eighty two eighty three and that's cable is the reason. We started having televised grasp but I loved it immediately. I used to watch them. Used to go over to my dad's house then eventually when I started writing do draft Iras from out website. But even before that we would we'd be talking about the Jaffer days and the reality was there was no information. And you were talking to your ass ninety percent of the time with all of these guys. Now we're talking as fifty percent of the time. I remember going back and researching some of that stuff in that was that was a ten round draft like they would do ten roads and read are back would take like whoever went to Holy Cross. He would take plumbers cousin and I remember years later after you realize this because as a kid I don't know how often this ever happened to you. It happened to be very rarely but you would go. Oh you know. His father was a carpenter builder. Whatever and we would go and work on some of these people's houses and then I remember this one place doing a deck. The Guy was probably on the Vineyard Summer House. And like well you know Tom Here was actually drafted by the Celtics. And at that point like as a little kid you go. Oh my God you know like what's Larry Bird like? Are you a millionaire? And all right and then I got a little older but what round. Oh did you like good. Did you play Merrimack or something? And you're just like a local ten rounder. Never played and the guy was like. Yeah exactly exactly what I was. Yeah that was I just I really like driving by the Celtics. I'm like yeah but like the fake. Pick because your local kid like don't tell strangers that they used to do the last seven rounds they would just take kids for Brandeis solely cry Seattle Boston University. Yeah that was the boop yesterday. Crowns about that two hundred twenty. Three kids were drafted in twenty-three team league in nineteen eighty one so. I listened to the nineteen eighty one draft on the radio. The Celtics said the twenty third. It's picking the first round. It's Charles Bradley who could dunk in that. Second round. Wyoming Tracy Jackson twenty-fifth other miss and then third fourth round. Mrs EIGHTY-ONE NO DADDY AGE thirty. I Oh there you go and I and I remember on the radio. They're like he might play baseball. But you know read sad success. John Havlicek almost played football. Like one of those. Nobody do anything. They didn't wait a minute. Did they? Reference the other guy. Pitch for the braves who was gene laid out another on. Conley four hundred years ago. Well you had in the eighties. You would just have registered making these trades where he knows Kevin McKell is going to be better than Joe. Barry Carroll Trades back to picks but then picks up the number thirteenth pack as well. Yeah we'll give you number one and they're like cool we'll have the number and the and people are just getting pillage by the nineties People are still getting pillaged. But this I'm going to read all the trades for the for the listeners. Because there are some classics in here so draft. Night Bucks Trade. The rights to Stefan Marberry the Timber Wolves for Ray on a future first round pick. I would say the bucks won that one. I mentioned the mavs Celtics Straight. Here's another one. This is one where everybody who loved College Basketball New. Jalen rose was going to have a moment in the NBA. There's this he was getting buried in the nuggets. I never gave up. He was just too interesting of an offensive player and always was better in big games and it was just hard to believe he wasn't GonNa make it the Pacers trade. The number twenty third pick along with Mark Jackson and getting old Ricky Pierce to the nuggets for the tenth. Pick 'n Jalen rose and Reggie Williams who is a former top five lottery pick. That was a steel Georgetown Reggie Williams. Yeah Yeah so then you have this other trade where you have Two summers ago the magic trade the their future draft pick and Scott styles to the bullets for the forty second. Pick so trying to clear cap space for Horace Grant so the wizard somehow in with the eleventh pick but not for long because they traded that with Two other first rounders and Tom Google Yada for Chris. Webber Nineteen Ninety Four C. You have all that in their menus. He's a nice guy and then you have. They also traded the number twelve pick for a fairly washed up mark price that year too. So the bullets went from having the Twelfth Thirteenth. Pick to know picks and then you have a couple of other ones. The heat traded the sixteenth. Pick in the Alonzo mourning trade when they traded When they traded for Alonzo Mourning the Pistons traded the number eighteenth pick with Dennis Rodman for the twenty six pick and shot Elliott then three so that one moved and then We have a Kevin Willis and the nineteenth pick for Steve Smith and grant long trade from two years earlier but then my favorite one. The heat in September ninety five set the nineteenth pick in one million dollars to the Knicks for the right to hire Pat Riley. I wasn't great trade. Yeah Yeah you're GONNA have to do that again right. The Riley Nixed thing was crazy. That's its own podcast contentious. Yeah and then dear fans were really really hurt and angry so round. Riley signs everywhere is it rhymes. Oh yeah that's right. Yeah okay so we're going to redraft but wanted to mention a couple of things. I ranked. I did this in the ground common. Just GonNa keep it here. The five star system for how good the player was so super duper star. You have to be like basically a hall of fame. Pyramid Pantheon Guy. That's five stars. Alzheimer's for Stars Franchise Guys Three Star all stars to stars quality starters one-star so this draft had as superstar. Kobe Bryant Five Stars it had to four star Guys National Everson. It had a three star guy. Who's almost like a three and a half star? Rayon to star Guys Jermaine. O'neal Ben Wallace and then four one star guys to Activate Candy Margaret Walker. Which means they were. You Know Starter. Borel all stars and then said Judah Sagas schrief of door Brahim and Kerry kittles who were all really serviceable starters. Thirteen guys who not only Made valuable contributions but got paid. And you mentioned this earlier this draft class so much money it was is probably the biggest windfall of any draft class up to that point right. I mean what Kobe did like he was making twenty four twenty five when the second highest paid player was making eighteen nineteen so. Kobe got hooked up in this deal Jemaine. O.`Neil made a ton of money here can be still played. Seventeen Years Nash played eighteen. Ray played eighteen. You know ray had like two Max deals I think in there. So yeah I mean Nash. Who did incredibly well for himself wasn't one of the top five highest paid guys in this class. I added up the math. Kobe Iverson Jermaine. O'neal made more than eight hundred twenty five million dollars combined just by basketball just in salaries. They Kobe Iverson. O.`Neil ENRA- Allen. Just those four guys made eight over eight hundred twenty five million dollars combined and this was the era when in ninety nine when the lockout all the sudden anybody who three years in the league could just redo their contract and signed some six year. Giant deal You had Marbury Abdurahim Anton Walker outside. Max Deals can be Oguz Nash. Multiple big-money deals kittles made over fifty five billion dollars which I didn't realize so Just money all over the place that that it really hasn't been top The other thing I did hear was at created a Simmons Crapshoot rating called the scrap to see just how much of a crap shoot each drafted base. So we're GONNA be using that going forward. This was a Ted Additon. Just for like when you look back and you just go. Wow what the fuck happened in that draft. This is a ten out of ten. I think we're GONNA do the two thousand draft together in a couple of drafts which both of us are excited about. That's like a minus ten out of ten. It's like what the fuck happened and also. Why cures confused the entire time Do you want the first pick of the second pick? I want to second pick all right. We'll do that. Let's take a break. Then we're going to redraft ninety six draft as the novel. Corona virus pandemic escalates in the US. 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Co Slash Coronas to start your free assessment today are dot co Slash Corona virus. Okay couple of other subplots just to put people. Kinda in the head. Space of where some of these teams were ninety in ninety six C had philly who just traded Barclay four years before and their trades catastrophic and they bought them out. Davidge chance to rally the following year. Take Shawn Bradley. The second pick. How did you feel about that in Ninety four were. What was your Shawn Bradley? Take not strong. Just you know just didn't even make sense at the time but get out of those is a little Ole of a candy. Ish You know it was like Oh so you guys are going to do that. It reminded me of The has shamed beat draft in two thousand nine where there were all those awesome guys in that draft and Memphis had the second pick and it was I did they. They're serious they're gonNA take the beet and all of us. All of us. Were like really. You're not really going to do that right. That's not really gonNA be the move right. And then they actually did it. That was the Shawn Bradley thing. Do you remember who was one in three in that draft In Ninety two was whatever the Shawn Bradley Year was? What was that ninety three or now? I thought that was ninety four. You're probably know better than I do. Let me Go but that it was listening diary. San I wasn't either because I remember Glen Robinson I remember that contract dispute and how yes Weber and then penny an American and then Isaiah rider. Who was one of the greatest interviews ever? Do you remember that? Nbc NBA on NBC. And Sunday I think it was ninety six ninety seven season and he sat down and did a one on one with somebody and he was like. Yeah I kill and then fill in. The blank was like do you. Why do you think you're better than he's like? Oh and pick a name here. It'd be like I chill. You Know Glen Rice and it's not wasn't Glen Rice but it was like the most vicious I've ever seen a player like in a one on one whereas normally like hey we you know. Today's game Isaiah rider their wing. Jr writer later on his now. Bradley two I think it'd be perfect. 'cause he's not the number one in your house you always can tell like. I figure this out later on but when you ask school about their own guy and they're like oh you know that kind of stuff I was getting from Yukon about the be of like what are you guys. Think about the beat. They're like well you know if he does this this this this and the twenty things later like. Oh you guys sticky sucks all right got it. That was one of those regis had to watch them. Run in person for five seconds. You're going to run that way. There's no way that happening. You're like you're wearing concrete sneakers so as it happened so philly my point. They really needed the Iverson thing. Because they had the Combo of the trading Barclay and then the Shaam Brad they thing and they are just rock bottom. Toronto NEW FRANCHISE NEW BLOOD. Just looking for anybody. Good Isaiah is still running them at that point Vancouver expansion team. They're just happy to be there. They'll take anybody good. The Minnesota Milwaukee thing was interesting so Milwaukee Gets the better player my. I thought that way the time I think we can rail on. Yeah I just I just Rayon was I just love them I just thought he was a sure thing. I not not at the same level of how I felt about K. D. or somebody like that but very rarely in college where you just see somebody in college I I would bet my whole life that that is going to be good at Professional Basketball Brown was so clearly going to be really good The Marbury thing he had the higher upside but the the family stuff was even worrisome. Back then he. He had had a really hard life and I they were. I thought there were some subtle red flags with him As much fun as he was to watch at Georgia tech but they wanted to put him with K. G. and try to do the whole Stockton Malone thing then. You have the celts at six delighted to get Antoine Walker and then after that And the Seltzer. Also coming off the Len bias. Reggie Lewis Combo and just of all the Boston Garden. This is the first real sign of Cope that they've had in a while. And then you go through the rest of them that the nets one is probably the most interesting one at eight but we talked about the reasons for that. Were they're doing this rebirthing Calipari and you know the nets. Had they'd lost drowsy. Petric that add a nice little. Run there where there was a little something with. Derrick Coleman Kenny Anderson drazen and they're all those guys are gone in two years. And that's a complete reboot for them to. This is a really kinda rough time for the League because you had the ninety six polls go seventy two and ten part of the reason. They went seventy two ten. Because there's so many bad teams because the league over expanded. The quality of play was not that good. They're moving the three point line around. They can't decide where that should be. Its Way to physical It just this wasn't like a great time for basketball. They needed this draft as my point. Yeah and then the rest of the guys dampier as you mentioned ten address Marquise Walker Todd Fuller Batali and then Kobe Pasia and then nashes even sneaky like Tony dealt a little bit Who Played. I didn't dinners in the League. So do you WanNa go first then? Yeah I'll go first. I pick The way we decided to do this. There's a little bit of a little bit of a time machine element like do we draft for who we thought. The team should've taken at a time. Or do we just take the best player and do it in that order? I think we should just go in the order of Pierce. We think we're the best players going down descending order and then we can kind of. It's a lot like just in his aside. You know it's a lot like the rewatch ables for me where I still don't understand what we're doing but it's Mike what a third one third redraft for me. I still don't know really what your rules are for this. Even though it's your vision and in some of these different rankings. I look at this as you know if you were starting franchises. Who would you go with not Tyler? Did they have did? They have good guard depth in nineteen ninety six. I agree different team all right so I'll take Kobe I because he's one of the ten best bars of all time and you know I didn't even really full. There's no way he would have gone I they would have been absurd in possible etc but it is funny that Philly had the first pick in this draft and and he was played there and he was their backyard. But it wasn't going to happen. There's no way Toby Bryant number one over Alan. Iverson forget it. Even if they had taken him six. I think people would have been mad but it's just kind of funny because once the highschool started have success there is a world where five years later no doubt that somebody like. Kobe could've gone number on a draft. It was not happening in nineteen ninety six so anyway. I've currently Brian as the first pick. Now you're on the clock at number two for For the sake of the redraft. Toronto had this pick okay. This is I'm not doing this to get attention. I'm not doing this for any other reason. Then there's no way I would take Iverson here and I think ninety percent of the people listening or like are you nuts. You have to take Iverson after Kobe. Another anybody take Iverson over Kobe. And I think it's ridiculous but Iverson and I can go through all this ivers and stuff you want to or we can wait till we pick them. But I would take Nash. Nash plugging him. In to any scenario he makes everybody better. He should of shot more Honestly I always thought if he was healthier later on and this isn't me pretending all of a sudden healthy but he would have been an awesome to guard like twenty minutes. A game just hitting threes But he just you know the background stay healthy but his impact on a team was far more positive than Iverson's and I would take Nash on a redraft so I have. Nash Ranked Higher Amaya Hall of Fame Pyramid. And I'm with you. I would take them higher as well. I loved Iverson. I'm actually in the Super Defensive About Iverson camp. Because I knew what's happened over. The last ten years you could feel the seeds of it being planted last in the two thousands whereas the future generations came in. They had no idea what it was like to watch him play and see him all the stuff that he brought to the table. It was never going to translate to fifty years later. Oh what is what was this guy was going on here this the advanced metrics were never going to be his friend with all that said. I just would rather have dash and you know I think his teams were consistently more successful. He made other guys better. He could play with just about anybody and you know He. His peak basically goes from ninety eight through two thousand eleven Iverson's peak. He really kicks in in ninety eight and he has he averages twenty nine a game from nineteen ninety nine through two thousand eight ten straight years twenty nine a game. It's weird. He never had that second. You know really qualified all-star other than Carmelo when he got to Denver on the other hand he played with a lot of good players who were kind of qualified to be second second guys on a really good team like when they got the the defensive player of the year he was still a top four center. Jerry Stackhouse who eventually became a thirty point score. You Know I. It's not like he never played with anybody. I don't think it's like t MAC situation right but the difference is is like team ex- style didn't make the rest of the roster think like what am. I doing here. Iverson style I keep. They didn't get rid of stackhouse because they didn't like Stackhouse's let's try something different. And yes. They tried to lear. Hughes thing which we went over. One of the other drafts They had Andrei all of their. I even really liked that. Theo ratliff group. But then Larry Brown's like look I can bring into Cambay so I'm GonNa go ahead and do that kind of stuff but van orange. The other one that had van hurry was the second pick in the draft. He brought in these guys so that first year. Iverson comes in and this is the difference. Look no one's trying to tell you. That Iverson's Lebron but I think that there's a lot of shortcomings here when you look at the overall career Archer and I'm not trying to do the analytics. Let's trash him shooting efficiency and all that kind of stuff I mean the guy was that small plane like forty one forty two minutes a game. I think he played like forty one minutes a game for his career and he was still doing it at the very end But when he go it comes into the League. A bad team goes twenty two and sixty. No one else is kind of weird. I was looking at the sixers attendance numbers during all this. They weren't as good as you would think they would have been it like the. The philly fans turned on that team pretty quickly after the. Oh one thing I think I think that was Going on across the board with the NBA. The late nineties were rough because that was when the salaries went way up the the fans had a lot of trouble. Identifying with the players the hip hop influence was so strong at that point and there definitely was a little. Bit of disconnect. That's when stearns started put in the dress code the rookie state. I was years later though after the Detroit in Pacers thing. No I'm saying like the ninety eight through Oh to. There's a lot of a lot of tug of war between stern in the players and just trying to get them to be more personable to the fans and to think a lot about you know how they presented themselves and it was a very strange air. It was weird to go to the Games back then like the Celtic fans didn't like Anti Walker for two years they did not like the Antoine. Shimmy day you blame jaw rule. Maybe there is some weird societal stuff going back then though like you feel it okay but I can only compare to the other attendance numbers to the other thirty teams and they are lower turnover and total attendance than you would think. It was kind of weird so look bad records. I two years he gets to the second round of his third year second round and his fourth year then they make the NBA finals. And that's pretty much it man from two thousand to two thousand three season. It's a six game loss in the second round and the Pistons. He never got to the second round again. He never got to the second round against so I understand when you get Iverson. You get somebody that you know. We applaud him for keeping it real. And that's awesome. We applaud we. We applaud him for being anti-corporate even though he was that he did trans. Sandy was a smaller. Guy Duncan on people he was you know Newport news the whole deal we get it but if you really break down and I'm not even trying to do the analytic things here. You just had to play a certain style that was only his style and it was far less successful than I think. People ever want to remember historically so I would actually take Ray Allen ahead of them in my draft. If you're not taking Iverson third so it's funny I had Alan ahead of Iverson in the Hall of Fame Pyramid. I mean I'm sorry I had a Iverson had around in the hall in period at the I think he had a more meaningful career. The two things I I agree with ninety percent of what you just said. Two things Iverson brought to the table. That can't be taken for granted. He and I wrote about this in my book when my thing about him was about when you get season tickets in the mail and you're just looking at the schedule in your like Kourouma who the eight guys I have to see this year. It might be five guys might be seven and might be nine like if you're doing this year you know if we had the NBA right. Now you'd be like you'd you'd take the Laker game. You'd put a check mark next to that. You do Jaanus. You do the Celtics but if you're just talking about individual players there's not many like I I really like Daimler person like you go on down the line. There's maybe eight to twelve guys. I was always on that list for me. No matter how his team was doing I thought he was an incredible guy to see in person because he was really like probably five nine and a half five ten though the way he carried himself how much he played. You'd never came out. He carried himself like he was like a seven foot. Three hundred pound guy and he wasn't so I would say that for that and then the other thing is the respect the other guys had for him which I think matters. I think when you talk to some of these guys which both of us have had the privilege of doing and sometimes it's I opening who they who they go out of their way to gush about. I think Kyrie was like that and in you know the two thousand sixteen seventeen range where the other players were almost like his biggest advocates. And I think what Iverson the other players regardless of whether the windows of the other stuff backed it up. They really respected him and even in the All Star game like he was always in crunch time he was only. It always made sense that he had the ball at the end of the game. No matter how many good players were on the floor so it's a really weird career that I almost can't compare to nobody like him. Now you could even say it'd be like if Damian Lillard was the toughest guy in the league and but his team wasn't even as successful as it is now but it felt like they were more successful. That was Iverson. I have no counter to that. I think the best thing you could do would be Jordan without rings Jordan. Just you know if Jordan couldn't get past the Pacers in the second round for whatever reason But that it just impossible. It's impossible to even try to do that. Like Hey imagine a a twenty year arc of Jordan without success I mean as I say it out loud. It's just it's impossible to ever vision envisioned that but I think all the pro Iverson arguments become about a lot of the stuff. That doesn't equate a winning. But I have no counter like I made sure I got a chance to go see him because I wanted to see him. That survey Allen showdown is one of my favorite baskets. It's probably one of my favorite sporting events ever just being in the moment with my buddies in college and watching us to go out and the biggest tournament I absolutely love it so this is not an anti Iverson thing. This is strictly A. He did not care about winning. He did not approach the game in a winning way for me to pass on. Somebody like Steve. Nash and I think Dash was definitely the right pick. I cannot figure out what the ceiling was on an average team. We saw in two thousand one. They wasn't that good team. And I gotta be honest. I don't think the right team made the final set your for this. I thought the bucks were better. Walkie Ida to watch those games. And it's Kinda hard to believe the Buxton and beat them. The bucks just seemed like more of a final steam I I've had a better career. He was a more memorable player. If I'm drafting this GM it. I have time machine access in nineteen ninety six. I would take reality with the third pick because I'm getting. I'm getting him for eighteen years. I'm getting this guy who at his peak which she had a couple really. Nice ones Milwaukee you know was the Alpha Dog on a bucks team that almost made finals. But just in general was one of the most efficient guys we've had in the last twenty five years. I can put him with anybody. He goes and has a second life with the Celtics. Then this third life with Miami. I was just watching a game. Six two thousand thirteen. I just think he's a safer bet. If I'm trying to win title then Allen Iverson was now I didn't realize that at any point there iversons career but now from looking back if my goal is to win the title. Rayon is a better pick. He just is so I would take around third raise interesting in that. You said that he'd had these two versions I. I think it's three versions because no there is three that you very four. Maybe it's added though because what he started doing you know in Milwaukee he's He's twenty a game the three point numbers are just crazy I remember when I was doing that. Celtics TV stuff for years. And I got there are no seven eight and I was working with Donny. Marshall who knew Ray from Yukon years and and Don a little bit older than him and Donny was degrade either talk hoops with and he comes back and he goes man he goes ray like changed his shot. I'm like Ray Allen changes jump shot like why would like. Why would anyone do that? Capri oh deciding. You know I wanna I wanNA do spoken word. You know like right. So Ray did this little thing like his hands at the end of it and and Ray was right like ray made this tweak too early look like the wettest jumper going and he had this awesome. Seattle stretch where he put up huge twenty five twenty six a game so when he came to Boston. Oh seven hundred eight and that was kind of the first piece when it looked like they were gonNA trade. Paul Age was always great and not trading peers. Just because he felt like Oh. The rest of team isn't good. Angels Brilliant with that and I know it sounds stupid a brilliant. But somebody other people wouldn't do it be like hey we're not good all right. Well this guy that is in thirty. That's really good. Let's get rid of him. You know like other teams did that and they add to that for Jeff Green which seems criminal. Because Ray Steele at that point you know he'd had the ankles things he comes in thirty two but that led the cagey and all that stuff. Ray Sacrifice Moore with his approach to the game than the other two guys did now. I still think Cajun Paul were better than Ray and ray then becomes. This guy was trying to figure out around him because he was a better shooter with the ball and then found a way. I I really think it took them a while to kind of get comfortable in that. You're just not gonNa have the ball that much and he found that with Miami because it was weird to remember Boston when he started to kind of loses handle. Because he yeah. He wasn't dribbling as much Boston's offense and then he just Kinda lost his hand a little bit there so I i. I wonder how bad people are going to get about this. You passed on Iverson for Ray but the analytics will tell you that. Raise behind only koby in like two or three of the categories. Well so I'm looking at this like not. Who IS GONNA? Who'S GOING TO SELL MORE JERSEYS? And who's going to be more fun to have my team if I'm just trying to win? A title. Rail has to be the pick. You look at his numbers from two thousand to two thousand seven. He is the most ahead of his time. Guy. We've had in the last thirty years. He's averaging twenty three five four. His forty five forty eighty nine percentages. He shoots forty forty from three but his taken seven threes. And this is at a time. Nobody was taking. You know if you took four threes a game. That was a lot I think if you put him in the era that we're in now she's one of the ten best guys in the League every year that version Ray Allen Year after year is somebody you could build a franchise around and I don't know I the longevity. I think pushes it over the top. This guy was good at nine hundred ninety seven in nineteen ninety four in two thousand fourteen. He's still in the finals playing crunch time for that. Miami team we're talking you know Eighteen Years Iverson just flamed out a little too fast. For Iverson's career was basically over by two thousand nine. Yeah he hasn't played in a decade. Yeah he has earlier Memphis thing and then he closed out. Billy just as kind of like a novelty deal and remember. He's still wanted to play. But at that point to like if you really want to dig in and all this stuff and I don't know how far away I don't really want to get sidetracked in here but Iverson. If he played today with the off the court stuff he beginning suspended from the League so his career is effectively. His last goodyear as a legitimately effective player is two thousand nine. And I remember I had this in my archives. You look it up Not You but anybody out there when Denver Trades Iverson to Detroit for BILLUPS and people are on TV. Gone Great Trade for the Pistons. You know you get Alan Iverson and I'm like you I. I'm sorry but I'm going to basketball games. And watching league past like Iverson shot as as a perennial. All Star Franchise guides just gone. Is the habit anymore. So I think the fact that his kind of stretch was just shorter than Then raise I did that as a matter. And the other thing I would ask so Iverson if Milwaukee beats them that that that round which is really conceivable and I think they should have. I really think the wrong team won. I think that was one of the most poorly officiated series ever. Had we remember Iverson if we don't even know like don't finals trips? I think he's thought about completely differently. We're you're almost thinking that I'm trying to think who. The football quarterback is that we would compare them to flacco no FLACCO. No that was nice. I really think that two thousand one like I used to always take the broad deserves a half a ring for that two thousand seven. Nba Finals appearance. Because they did to Detroit like he'd only been in the league. You know not even five years Detroit still you know. They look at themselves. The bully Rashid's guaranteeing wins after every single playoff laws. That kept losing and Lebron takes him out with that epic game in two thousand seven where it was kind of the first like Whoa. What is this guy? Then they get smoked by the Spurs. Not a big deal same thing. It's kind of like a a shack. Penny deal with Orlando Ghana. Can't get scheme. But that two thousand one finals they get the first game against L. A. And they get mopped I. He's gotten a lot to run out like I feel like I'm not saying like look flickers. We're supposed to beat them. We've just gone through how bad we didn't take the east was that year but it's it's salvaged. Iberson in a way where you know. I read about Chris Paul Sucking all the time because he can't get out of the second round but Iverson as the lead guy the undisputed league guy for every team he was on until you know look the Denver thing was Kinda he and back and forth near right by the time we get to Detroit. It was over. He gets you. I'm not saying like you know I don't want to turn this sounding very anti Iverson it but I'm just saying where the Pro Everson two thousand one is so positive for him and I think that's the love that people have for him. You know like it's never ever held against him and that's kind of the only real playoff run that you had like the only one right. Well the other thing and again I. I didn't want to rely on the stats too much. 'cause I really think it's important to mention how how larger than life. He was at the time and what it was like to watch him purse. I just loved Iverson but you know his stats part of the reason his stats were so impressive was he. Just played an incredible amount of minutes if you go to his per thirty. Six numbers is per thirty. Six scoring average is twenty three point three his per his actual scoring average in real life is twenty six point seven. He played so he he was as you said earlier. He's playing for his career. He played forty one point. What agape sick. I'm like. He's Wilt Chamberlain and wanted to like. He was getting any sleep right. It's true he's up twenty four hours a day so I if you look at as per thirty six. He's He's twenty three five and three. He's forty two point five percent From the fields and thirty percent from three and his stats really aren't different than prime cause rail playing thirty five thirty six minutes again at forty. It's honestly not crazy to think. Ray Allen is a better pick Allen Iverson because if you're trying to win a title he's just a safer bet you can put Iverson. You have to move your whole team around what he does with didn't have to do that so I'm taking round third. I mentioned reality and ahead of time. I was looking up by looked at one of the years where he had like. Seven point seven eight attempts. They're a game from three. Which is just it can't express how monumental that isn't like a wound up to eight players. Took four hundred or more threes. Of course like number one and number three were were Thuan Pierce. We didn't even count because the beginning of of the Patino Thuan Pierce thing was just gross with the amount of three six guys. Took like you think is take bad shots. Now you think Diangelo. Russel Zach Levine. Get a little aggressive. Every now with a three point attempt you got you got nothing on early Thuan yet. So eight players foreigner more attempts past full season eighteen nineteen forty three players took four hundred more threes no one more than James Harden who took one thousand twenty eight threes and also eight hundred and fifty eight free throws so hard and took almost nineteen hundred. Three's and free throws for a full season enjoy. That that's pretty gross. But nothing was grocer than watching a Kyle. Lowry offensive foul mix tape. That came out from so far. This season against forty seven charges taken. I counted forty six flops. I would rather watch joe exotic sex tape then Kyle lowry taking charge. It's I saw. That tape floaty routed. I was like I hope Priscilla's either. Yeah the lowry one. I didn't even make it through it. I was like you know what I'm going to watch this and then I'm GonNa Count. How many flops are and the number to tweet something really shitty and I I had. I actually closed out of the video. I couldn't survive anymore so you. You have Iverson forthright. Yeah Johnny Darlas here so Vancouver with Ray Allen and then Iverson with Go into Milwaukee at four and eight you know I know people are going to get pissed about the average that thing. I remember Member TNT. Did that redraft of the Alzheimer's Barkley. Took Alan Iverson. I and it almost cost like almost caused a riot on the Internet. People like what? Are you doing how they were drafting their all time teams and it was a snake draft embark lead like the third paid people? You just ruined this'll exercise and he's saying okay out obvious. It was great in every television producer. Everywhere was like how do we find the next Barkley? So with the fifth pick which in the in the actual draft was Minnesota. There's two there's three guys on the board just for the people of Saint Home we got your main. O'neil it Ben Ben Wallace pay pages stack VIC. Marcus Camby Stefan Marberry Financial Walker. All those guys are on the board. I am taking because this'll be recurring theme with these redrafts that we do. I watched Jermaine. O'neal be the best guy on teams that could have won the title and that matters to me more than anybody else on that list. I thought long and hard about Ben Wallace but his prime just wasn't good enough. The Jermaine O'Neal thing really in the running for strangest Basketball reference page. He's in Portland for four years. Not playing not playing right member. Pacino was always trying to trade for him. Yeah oh every year. It is just buried on these Portland teams behind. Rasheed Wallace a bonus. Dale Davis is on there and they're not giving any run and people at Gusts are. He's being thrown. He's kind of like a rottie. Boo Bah type situation where the trade asset of him was so much more valuable than if you actually watch the game. You're like But then he then Indiana traits forum. I guess they traded Dale Davis farmers as part of it but then then he became a really really really good player in Indiana there for a couple of years in that. Oh four series against Detroit. He's great I thought the Oh five year the Malay. He misses half the season. He's really good. That your average twenty four game that year. I thought he was awesome in the Celtics playoff series that year and I really liked that post. A Pacers team just in general But I I for years. He played and all that I think he's the pick SOM- taking him fifth. What do you think of that? I love it because I had them. I think higher than than I thought I would when I went into it. But I'm with you. If you go peaked. Your Main O.`Neil. He's a really good player. I mean he put up some massive numbers there with the Pacers via right like he started. He started eighteen games. Those first four years he played ten minutes a game. Thirteen minutes a game nine minutes game twelve minutes a game when he's in Portland and that was you know he was still kind of part of this fall out of the high school thing and you just feel like. Oh look at this guy honestly to even though he was kind of this weird hybrid center power forward. That's what was so appealing about him too is that he could face up a little bit but he could still use some of that traditional stuff and he would have been in his prime younger a really nice player today because he was a really. I thought a pretty good athlete. Then he slowed down a little bit but after that Pacers thing I mean it was over like his career was over by the time he was twenty nine and he still played another six or so years. So I don't mean to be harsh about it like. He had a good year in nine ten in Miami at Thirty One. But he's playing twenty eight minutes. He scored thirteen and seven. And he's he's just kind of a rotation guy at that point even though he was somebody I still really liked. I liked it. I didn't I didn't have them that high but I'm not anti Jermaine O'Neal at all. So what what they with him that? I didn't realize he made thirteen mile in bed. Oh Two endo three and then he made second team on being oh four so for three straight years she was a top fifty guy and a top ten guy no four and I think he would have been a top ten guy no five. Two of the Malay hadn't happened. I also think this point can't be hit strongly enough. I really do think the o five pacers were the best. Nba team that year. And you could say well the resonating winners because run. Our test was a lunatic and got a new huge melee and and the seeds of it were planted during that fight. That that precipitated the melee and that team was going to blow up anyway. Team is there is just too much craziness on that team. It never they never could have made it a month. You can make that case but that. Oh five finals was one of the more unsatisfying finals. It never felt like those were the two best teams to series itself. Was that good. That Spurs team that won Dunkin it just was not like a peak Dunkin performance. I think he's pretty banged up. I really think it did. It was the best team that year and he was the best guy in that team. So that's gotTA matter too. Yeah but that was also that that finals were. We had some you know. Eighty four to sixty nine in game. Yeah studio engineer like that stuff. Though they they remember the year before the Detroit they had like a sixty six to sixty game. Or there's there's worst wants to point out which I think we should do as a rewatch -able we should watch the worst playoff game in modern history. Like one of those one of those games or seventy to sixty or something with the Pistons. No I know the game it was Celtics Pistons because I went to sixty six sixty four final. I think there's another one Stanford Steve. Hit me up with this. He said I think there's some Knicks game where I forget who the famous guy was. He'd bet on the game but he also done lightning on it. So you pay a penalty on how many points under or you win over. And he had the over and it went like thirty points under so opposite. Double CHECK HAS STANFORD Steve Checked. It'd be like hey you guys should do this all right so you got your main O.`Neil I'M GONNA go home at five so you're now in the clock at number six which would have been the celtics pick. I'm GonNa just tell candidate. You take the mass pike in and be a Celtic Can't be played seventeen years. Yes I thought he was going to be better his Lee. You know the most points per game. He ever scored was his rookie year with Toronto. Fifteen game that's the most? He ever scored for season and he was double figures. Twelve ten twelve eleven and he basically wasn't again until he got the Denver. A little bit is defensive player of the year I just felt like he did more at Umass offensively and that would he get to the NBA. I don't know if it's because he was skinny. I don't know if it was strictly because the roster development and the NBA has a way of kind of eating itself in that. Oh yeah right like is good as you were in college like you have to adjust to US I do. They can't be was GONNA have to make that adjustment that he was going to be good player. A role player so I guess I ended up being wrong but I was watching me thirty two in that first game against Kentucky when Kentucky was number one it was a with Palestine Auburn Hills. Umass was fifth that you mass thing was weird for all of us that were from eastern mass. Because we're like are. We really rooting for Western mass. But it was so much fun with cal Lou Roe the year before. And all those Umass guy so I really thought that can be was going to be able to do a little bit more offensively and because he showed it at Umass and then he just kinda became a very specific Not a role player. That's that's not saying enough about him. He's a starter play for a long time but I still thought there was a version of that had a higher ceiling after the break. I'm going to read you all the trades. Marcus Camby was ever involved in. Let's take a break to talk about one of my favorite companies roots of fight. We've never talked about them on this podcast except for when they made a bunch of Ringer sweatshirts for US. Our absolutely ridiculously great go to their website. You can find awesome. T shirts. Sweatshirts hoodies They did a black history tribute thing for with Joe Louis Mohammed Ali Jack Johnson. Jackie Robinson you can pick by the sport boxing martial arts wrestling baseball basketball football. They have an incredible Julius erving collection. 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Trade 'cause he was actually half decent that year and had some trade value Traded in two thousand ten February to the Blazers for stealing Willy Willy War and there. You Go February two thousand ten traded the Trailblazer Steve. Blake and Travis outlaw had a nice little Blazers insurgents then traded to Houston for Johnny Flint. Hashimi beat the second. Oh we're not done traded to the Knicks for Tony Douglas Josh Harrison Jerome Jordan and a second then shorts traded to the knicks with Novak Quinton Richardson and a second for Andrea Bark. Ninety side knows Steve. Novak would be a Max player. Today's game no question so he was. He was involved in a lot of stuff. I have a great marcus. Camby fact for you he makes. He has the iconic lockout ninety nine playoffs run. Were you and gets hurt. And they're actually better off with. Camby they come back the next year. They almost make the finals again. In Two Thousand Indiana beats him he then makes the playoffs two three four ten more times. I ran at every time. Yeah but the differences between like I hold the playoff stuff against you unless I really like you and then we'll find a way to spin it in my favor but if you're the lead guy it's Kinda on you where Camby blame them for that. I'm just sat ten straight first-round acid as really really that have to be near a record right ten straight if people say. Shit to Mellow Melby. Like hey you ever heard of Marcus. Camby off my back because I always felt like I had mellow knocks like mellow every time. You Look at mellows playoff losses. When they're all the first round exits. They almost always lost the team. That was better than them anyway. took so that's that's kind of a pro mellow thing but it's it just sounds better. It'd be like sucks in the playoffs. So did you dude. I Bake a mistake. How do you look at the board right now? I I have a Marcus Camby point. That's just for you. I'M GONNA I'm gonNA lightly fry in some sesame oil and give you some dipping sauce and you could just eat it. 'cause YOU'RE GONNA enjoy it so much all gone put on his Jersey for this. Then you don't have to take two seconds. Marcus Camby ahead of its time. Yeah if if you take one thousand nine hundred and Marcus Camby and you move him forward twenty years. He's like the perfect fives. Yeah He. Tyson Chandler. Still making money. I Marcus Camby would have been like potentially like really in demand. Thank you if Cappella ends up getting fourteen million a year and a first round pick. I can't be was better than Clint Cappella right. I don't know I think. Capello was a product of a cappella ended up being better than I thought he would be. But Capella was a massive beneficiary of art. You know set. But he's freaked out the whole time seventh pick It's tough I had these guys I had I had can be Wallace and stay. Avec all all huddled together. I guess I'm taking Ben. Wallace said seven undrafted which remains incredible Because he was six six school Virginia away shorter kind of pride that I would've wanted Chicago signs of away from Detroit. It's a big deal and within a year is Kinda like it's Kinda like semi luggage were headband. Remember is weird but They you could argue. He was the best player in the two thousand four Pistons in that playoff run. He's he might have been the most valuable. I know Chauncey won the finals. Mvp And I think it's hard to say who is the most important port in that piston steam because one of the things that made them special. Was those five guys together in the way they complement each other. And how good defensively? They were but Ben. Wallace was an absolutely destructive Player there for you look at four straight at five straight years. Jesus dating back to Orlando just completely blowing. It and getting rid of them in the In the Grant Hill trae just having no idea what they have or what they had you go. After that he shows up in Detroit in two thousand one and from two thousand one to two thousand five. He's thirteen rebounds a game three blocks game one and a half steals a game like he. He's his block steals their for half a decade are keen. David Robinson you know in in person it was the same thing like it really did feel like he was the best defensive player in the League. the biggest defensive asset. Anybody had there for a while. He he held his own against shack in. Oh four when shack was really trying to go back into the way back machine and really only had one greg game against them and I don't know I mean. He brought so many bad things to the table. The free throw shooting was abominable. He was an offensive liability but just figured out how to do so many different things. I would just rather have him than anybody else in this list. So there you go. I loved him. Yeah the best version of him was unbelievable the way he could switch he's listed six nine. I don't know I don't even know but it didn't matter. It was unbelievable watching what he could do as a defensive player. And that's what I really loved about. That Pistons team is that you had wallace. You could switch out to anyone on the perimeter he just could but then you had chauncey who could switch and defend some power forward in the post. He wasn't gonNA give up. Because chauncey was so damn strong and smarter and Tashaun had linked to at least challenge a little bit and then Rashid's there who could kind of be all over the place. I mean it was really an incredible roster one through five of guys that you're just found a way to complement each other. I remember look. I thought when we were making fun of the idea that you know we liked Some of my Mrs Marcus. Fizer being one of them Wallison is fourth year to Orlando. Yeah I liked. I liked him. I mean he played eighty one games that year. I you know I always kind of like a little bit. But you're right. I mean never cracked double figures. He ended up in the thirty percent of the free throw line. It was getting awful. I mean it was like he was flirting with fifty and then it got worse and I remember Larry Brown. There's always a very good lesson too for younger. Who people down there like. They were giving Ben Wallace some touches. You remember how weird that was when they Oklahoma City would let perk at the first offensive touch of every game and he would like to play in the post and you just. What are you doing right? That was sort of just this thing that the thunder always seemed to WanNa do probably westbrook wanted to do it. And everybody just had listened But Larry pro series. Larry Brown would talk about wanting Ben Wallace to get more touches. And I'd go. Why would you ever do that with this? Guy's zero an offense but it was a really good point is that it sucks to just rebound defend all game so the more we can get him touch every now and then the more engaged. She's going to be so when are plays run? That aren't the best offensive option. Understand that there's there's a payoff to it. If you have the right guy and Wallace was that guy. So I- peak wallace. I just loved his first. Seventy Five playoff games for the Pistons from Oto. Five is fourteen rebounds a game two point six blocks two point zero steals as just a mess and he barely even cracked ten points a game during that stretch but I never did is one of those guys that if you bet against them of you're actually like literally gambled against the Pistons in a playoff game. I I I just hated going against them. I always felt like he was going to do the right thing at the right time. And you got. I gotTA say the O. Finals him in Rasheed together. The job they did on Dunkin Dunkin's never been treated like that defensively over the course of two weeks in his peak like he was in that like they really. They really throttled them. So I'm going seven. He goes to the clippers. The number eight pick. This would have been the nets who I also didn't. I should've mentioned rip Hamilton in that group Real quick on Wallace follow up. Would he thrived today or a liability is. It's a tough answer. I'm not sure I have the answer. I think he's worse off now because you can't play forum five offensively now with the spacing. I don't know where he would stand on the court. I mean you almost have to use him. Like Philly was using Ben Simmons during those playoff games when they didn't know where to put him and he was just kind of circling around in the baseline. That's really the only thing you can do with them. Otherwise he would screw up. You know he would either clog the middle or he was great. You could set pixel them. But nobody's GONNA guard him stepping off for three or anything. I'm not really sure what you would do. I think he was in the right. Ara- okay but that's the argument against but think about the guys. He added offend at his size that he was giving up all the time. And now if you look at how small the front lines I still think. If you're good enough you can get away with one guy. That's on an offensive threat. I mean the goal now is five guys out there to get your bucket but I think Wallis would beep I. I'm betting on. Prime Wallace defied a way to abuse the other five in a size down league to maybe even get you a few more points. Just because he's dominating the board so much So I'm not gonNA completely write him off because of spacing. No I'm not ready for either. I just think he was in the right era. I think within that would really help them. Was How many more possessions in the pace of how people play now. I think you know he was so athletic. Guy He would've loved that right versus just getting up and running around saying yeah dream on that. Now you talked me into maybe better. Now let's bring him in. There was money All right you're the eighth pay. Could he have Pasia? Yep there's an argument for pasia ahead Camby ahead of Wallis. Oh yeah you know patient flirting you would know this? Probably better off the top of your head. But what did he? Come in? Second V. P. One year was a little bit but he was or was he just on the conversation and I'm I'm not remembering the voting. No he had he had a year was the first team on. Ba you only made three all star teams. Oh Yeah Oh four he was second team all NBA and yeah he was he fourth in the two thousand four. Mvp's possible. I thought there was. Yeah he was way up there. Yeah are two thousand four. Mvp Ballot Kevin Garnett. I Duncan Second. Jermaine O'Neal third page of four. Kobe Bryant five shacks six bete-noire seven saying shack out loud. Sixth just sounds fucking stupid but that was the air when he I know but it was. That was right. It was after everything had gone up. Gone Down but I don't know this one of those shack. Mvp things so it's funny. Pasia was another little ahead of his time. Guy Never took never took seven threes in a season year after years starting in Oh one. He's shooting forty percent from three. He has basically an entire decade until two thousand nine of shooting forty percent for three from only two. Oh eight forty one percent from three taken almost six game twenty game a guy who I think if he's playing now would have been so much more dangerous than so much more fun to watch. It's hard to think of him without thinking of him brick in that shot against in game seven against the Lakers when he just had both hands around his neck he rebounded at least a little bit from it yet. Big Time numbers and he was huge. Like this guy was a guy that can handle these listed six ten I you know. I don't know we shave an inch here. But he never felt like the one. You never felt like okay. They're that's who their best player. Isn't you know we go back to the beginning of the Weber stuff and how good that Sacramento team was from a talent standpoint? But he put up some massive numbers fan for somebody. Never think of is like the key franchise guy. Just you're right like those those middle years there. There's just it's unbelievable as the eighth pick of this draft and this is a guy that still available. I'm gonNA lightly fry another great point and give you a little more dipping sauce with this one. Is HE KLAY WITH NO PR WHOA? I don't think I responded well enough to your fried appetizer thing on the candy thing. I just sort of blown away by the whole deal and I was. Kinda maybe just saying I want to change into Jersey debating a tank top zoom anyway. But yeah what's he probably handle that ball a lot more than clay did a has to be because Clayton's this beauty klay doesn't dribble he was just as good of a three point. Shooter is clay was he was actually. You could run. Entire offense is around him. I don't I actually think Klay was on a bad team. You could've run offenses runner. But they were weirdly similar like what their skill sets. Were and clay. I think You know hits the lottery ends up with Steph. I think of Pasia had been on a team. Might that we would've had one conversation about over the last ten years. When was the last patients to academic conversation? Anyone said it's never happened. Yeah right Oh I forgot. He was in New Orleans for four years. He also had a very very sneaky. Nobody remembers this. Two Thousand Eleven mavs big big brother to dirk kind of did he play in the playoffs for them will look look at that. Played Seven Point. Eighteen minutes a game for the eleven mavs in the playoffs. That's right yeah yeah I remember that. Yeah nobody nobody remembers that. Though he's never mentioned as like a member and pasia got his ring. Companies a whole collection of those guys was that whole eleven. Mavs team is just so weird. Because you're like wait a minute. Who's his it was? He probably argue the least talented team. I don't know at least two of the last twenty years lease towns the team to win a title. It was certainly the The only team that only had one great guy to win the title. Kia Jason Terry Terry Marianne Chandler. Mary Great Role Pasia. Yeah about that and Rodney boob Wa. The untouchable Roddy beloit the asset. All right nice pick this normally were. We're only going to fourteen nights. Pick WAS DALLAS Marbury has officially fallen far enough. That guy was a huge asset. He I I remember when he ended up on Phoenix finally after the kid trade really really enjoying him in Amar together that one playoff series against the suns. I put up huge numbers like every night. You'd be like thirty and ten again from this guy and he's somebody that if you put him now and you spread the floor for him. He was one of those guys. Kevin Johnson's like this From from way back there's guys now like this like Westbrook's definitely like this spread the four. He's going by people in getting the Rim Barbara. Get by whoever he wanted. If is Marbury Lillard with the worst attitude. Four Lillard cops on this bottle ready. I Dunno he You know it's a classic. What if he gets his giant contract then the rules change and Marvez just bummed out? He knows he's Never GonNa make nearly as much as Kgan however the number guy in the team and pushes for trade to the nets and he stayed with stuff was one of those. Everyone was worse off by the traits. But you know I think we remember he gets he goes to the Knicks. Thinks get super weird and a bunch of different ways finally ends up on that Weirdo Nights. Celtics team the where Cagey was in playing. And they supposed to be the missing piece score really excited about that. I was not I was not accepted. You weren't excited about that. Was everybody gets way too excited about buyouts. I just feel like Point guards especially the hit a point and there's no coming back where it's almost like running backs with Frank Gore accepted where when they go from level one to level two or level three wherever. They're just there's no rally back all right. You'RE UP TEN INDIANA DUDE. An hour and a half in were. I know we're going to zoom through this. This is I could do a lot of different things here. There's one name out there that was productive. Just do it. It's the ray pig. Yeah I still picks second-best player and a team that almost made the finals. I gotTa Take Thuan over. Sharieff him you have to Sarai pick now one hundred. Twelve is the best example. Go ahead why don't you take the floor here for a little bit and I'll plug in in any way we don't need to do. We don't do ten minutes and answer Walker but he made false start teams the second best guy and it made the finals like he sharieff. Sharieff never had one memorable basketball moment. Thuan is the second best player on a team that made the Eastern Conference finals. A one right now. No I understand but I really feel like if we're GONNA knock. I mean God they got bad. The East really was for that stuff to happen for them because they were or they. We have one point. We're thinking they're gonNA play in the NBA. Finals like real like they're going to beat. The Nets took a two one lead nets area to lead. That's right they don't blow game for they lose game five in the nets come in and finish them off a game six blowing game for was you know. I think they could have won if they didn't blow that game. There's a version of Taiwan and I have to drive the version that we saw over twelve years. But there's a version of Thuan that they could have been. His skill. Set was so high but Bettino immediately hated him but then Patino was kind of like play defense and you guys can take all the bad threes you want his shot consciousness Consciousness was one of the worst of any player I've ever seen in my entire life except for his size he could handle. He could pass. He could do all these things but it just it was like it was just a little off. It was off just a little for it to actually be kind of tough to watch for a really long stretches and it wasn't a shock you know here's age before he's a GM of the Celtics trashing his game on TNT broadcast. And the first thing he does what he gets the GIG is gets drawn out of there but I have a little bit of a soft spot in my heart for toine also fully willing to admit that it was really gross for long stretches. I liken it to a little like the youngest brother in a big family who just. Nobody's paying attention for the bonus. Jonas he had like the fifth kid in the Sullivans in melrose and the youngest kid and the other kids and one's in jail and wants to football quarterback then there's that V kid nobody knows wherever is and he just developed a bunch of bad habits. Thuan just unchecked for the first five years of his NBA career basically and was in bad situations and develops a bad habits but the thing that killed him was he lost his confidence with free. Throw shooting in. Oh two three and once that happened he stopped going to the line. He stopped driving to the basket and he just became this jump shooter and he was never like really a good shooter. Would he was really good at was around the rim stuff and his passing and he had all these different tools but once he lost his free. Throw shooting confidence a little. Like what happened. Rondo when Rhonda just didn't WanNa get fouled anymore completely changed how we played. It's really weird when you notice it too. Yeah and you usually only notice it if it's like your team and you're watching them all the time like I remember pierced at this really weird stretch where he wasn't making free throws in light close late situations to the point where I went through and track them. All and then put it together was like he's eighty percent. He's like sixty three percent in these spots. And I remember I asked one of our guys at the Celtics they go. Hey have you noticed that he goes. Oh my God and then Pierce Sorta figured it out corrected and he was fine again but Thuan twelve hundred also put together. These moves for his size that most guys couldn't even dream of doing and then he just back rim it. Yeah I've never seen a guy break people down get open. These spin moves back. You Down Hooks both hands. He had all of this stuff and it was like. It was like a math equation. Where it looked at you did it. And you're like Oh look how good this is and you're like yeah okay. But that's outside the parentheses so none of this works. He was a really tough confident guy. Who knew where to go and what to do in a basketball court and he goes to Miami no six and plays big minutes for them and kind of knows where to go and what to do wasn't afraid to take big shots he was afraid to get fouled obviously was not afraid to take he was nothing more. Thuan than like up to fifty seconds to go he brings it into the front core he Jackson because he wants to have the dagger shot any out miss. He missed him all the time. Yeah he really wanted to eat hero ball with something that meant a lot to him all right four more picks left number eleven th pick. Who has this pick and we're in the actual draft? It was golden state. Well we'll do better than they did with that pick. I'm going Oh God care you know. He hung around a lot longer than he should have. It seemed like when when his feet started to go out on them. It just seemed like his career is going to be over in four or five years and ended up playing for a pretty long time. Where we're seeing this. He was twentieth in the actual draft but You Know He. He hung around and he was for his career was thirteen and seven. And you thought he was toast is third year end. He didn't play would injured. Miss Basically his second third season. Lee Comes back at twenty five. And you're like this guy shot and he had a nice run beloved teammate. So I I think that's a Repick Cudi effort number twelve all right still a lot of value out there and now I could do role guy here which is a re go in the first round. There's one famous rogue I left. Yeah although Jay y de Junkyard dodger all Williams out of Georgetown. Nice run but He's still talented. I USED TO ARGUE FOR SHERIFF ABDUL RAHIM. Because he was he was the poster boy for his era big numbers. Empty he sucks. His teams weren't very good. He was part of the sole thing that happened on trade night where sheriff went to Atlanta. And they stunk to do you know off the top of your head. How many playoff game? She played in his entire career. I do. He was one one playoff series six total. I used to fix Gabes. I used to call it the Sheriff Door Mall Stars for guys who just put up empty calories. That's exactly what would be the sheriff. Mvp this year right. But don't I still have to take him twelfth? Yeah yeah that's so. And he was good he actually was good and maybe it's grocer now when a guard puts up empty stats than a big. Yeah maybe that's maybe that's kind of COOL INVERSION OF NBA. Eras here is that you had the empty calorie guys that were bigger and now the empty calorie guys are all small put to put his value in perspective. You have to look at a couple of trades. He was in two thousand one. He's basically traded for the rights to Pago Saul when Pakistan. Yeah it's witch Amal Tinsley and I liked so Atlanta's like we could take Palca Saul this young kid from Spain or we could lock in Cherie of him in house spider smart idea then it oh four he got traded with Lia ratliff for that was the Rasheed deal. Wasn't it Wesley? Person Rasheed Wallace Rasheed. That's the Best Jersey ever. The Rasheed Wallace Fox Jersey because he played one game. Yeah that'd be like Tom Brady Bucks Jersey. So you think he's arguably one game thirteenth pick so much disdain. Bob So mad. I get madder every day. Just watch it Falcons Falcons Patriots Superbowl Nasdaq. How could he play for another team? This is insane cinema be greatest anyone's ever had I'm taking Kerry kittles with the thirteenth pick for this'll be for. Oh Charlotte care. Kettles Good Charlotte shorter career than it should have been. He had some health issues. But I gotta say the Celtics went against them in two straight play officers. I was always scared when he was open. He was one of those guys that when he missed. You were surprised in the stats. Don't actually back it up He's stats are okay. But it just is one of those guys. There's something about how he carried himself and shot the basketball that you just felt like. Oh that's going in thirty seven thirty eight percent career. Three point shooter. He took three point. Six A game. fourteen point career score just got traded to the clippers. Two thousand five in his career like basically abruptly ended but I was taught him a kid. We're together enjoyed that backward okay. The last pick Dante Jones Mississippi state. I love that final four. Now Yeah Melito still available Randy Livingston go tigers. Yeah let's talk about some of the guys that are available because we also have Derek Fisher's available Erick Dampier Travis night is available little Shannon Anderson Mucci Norris who ten years in out of Georgia. Yeah the rented right. You mentioned him. Jeff Begin S. Jamie's NS chemistry killer. Yeah just I can't believe you made the joke that I did as I was about to say it out. Loud Priest Lauderdale just a couple of years at Central State University but I'm sure a lot of dudes. Kinda liked him when they saw him walk into a room. Like tagging Fella Harrington twelve years in a sneaky Lycos Ryan minor out of Oklahoma. Do Not Oh yeah. Denver that You GOTTA GO Derek Fisher. Here no one. I'm getting. I don't want him to coach. I don't WanNa be my executive but I wanted to be a guy that I trust. And for some reason extended his career and other four or five years by dribbling into everybody on open layups because he could never get a fucking shot off against anybody toward the end. The Ref gave him the call. Every damn time down the court so if I know. I'm getting that if I know I'm getting as soon as Fisher slows down. The rest are going to bail them out for another four or five years. GimMe that guy. He played eighteen seasons. He's fifth in this class in minutes. Thirty two thousand seven hundred nineteen minutes. The advanced metrics do not like them but came up big in a lot of big games. Well that was More points than Marcus Camby. That was really fun. I got ask you before we go. This is Chris Ryan Brought this up in a later. Draft that we'd ardor recorded guy that you still haven't given up on even though he's retired. Guy. You're still keep your fingers crossed. The WHO is the Jeff Green in this draft for you. I said Ryan Minor. But he was busy at other stuff. Going on you right John Wallace out of Syracuse. Because he's he's a really good example he was gonNA leave after junior year is a big is kind of like. He really is like a poor. Man's Derrick Coleman talent production. Right and Wallace has this great run with Syracuse. Get to the title game. And they're like look how much this guy improved his stock and he went eighteenth which is pretty much where he's GonNa go after junior year. I always thought that the John Wallace stories one of its wasn't even a lesson. It was specific to him. But here's this guy comes back massive numbers. He was so much fun in that tournament. Nba body face up for big. All these things you think he plays accuse good time you know just awesome production. Anyone the exact same spot. He would have gone into. Come out earlier you left out. He got game. I haven't seen that a while. Yeah he's in there. He got game him Travis. Best and In Rayon and Walter McCarty Earl in there My Guy that I have not given up on yet even though I probably should Damon Bailey is not now. I'm going to say John. Wallace was a really good one. You know almost WANNA say Travis night but I say Walter McCarty. I saw Tony Dokes fifty three point game. I watched the first year I had leaked PASA and I watched it live. He was unstoppable. The crazy thing is he wasn't taking threes. I don't think he made a three. In the game. It was all mid range and up and unders and layups and when the Celtics made the terrible Joe Johnson Trade to get him and Rodney Rogers. I gotta say a as much as I hated giving Joe Johnson Fifty Games. They had a chance to meet the finals. I thought Tony Delk was gonNA push them to another level. I was all at so I've always enjoyed his game. He thought he was very vinnie. Johnson ish a love the Joe Johnson Trade. Because it's the worst in the way terrible related me was that like Taiwan and pierce were mean to him you ever so so because they were mean to him. It's like well. Let's trade him for Rodney. Rogers not GONNA resign in. Delco is a nice piece of that. But my favorite delk staff is Ashley Judd. Apparently she was legitimately into them and delk was like too shy. Tony delk shot. So we're going to be redrafting. All these drafts were doing ninety. Seven Ninety eight ninety nine this week. All of them will be on the basketball field. But we'RE GONNA do the. What is it the ninety eight after doing for your feed this week and and and then Next Sunday which will be the last one we do on this feed The two thousand draft. Yes which is icon. Eric it's just flat out ICONEX. So we're doing that so anyway you can follow those on the book a Basketball Pot. We're GONNA talk about some Current stuff right after this break woodstock some charity stuff spotify doing a really cool thing Cova. Nineteen music relief. You can go to the Website that created Cova nineteen music relief dot by spotify Dot Com. And you can check out all the core organizations that they're affiliated with their matching donations made by this page dollar for dollar for clicked. Total up to ten million dollars. That's cool so every dollar you give to one of the things that's affiliated this. They'll match it. Check that out really cool stuff. And then since we're wanting to mention helping the frontline feeding cove in nineteen. You can find this like on my twitter feed. It's a partnership with the World Central Kitchen. Which is doing all kinds of cool stuff this one. The frontline thing is trying to raise three million to help the heroes on the frontline every day at Ers at hospitals. You all that stuff In raising money for them and for the local restaurants to make food for them I donate one hundred thousand. This is my favorite charity. That I've seen so far. So check those out and we are going back to the podcast come back. We're going to do some real world stuff for twenty minutes. Then we'll go so trump announced today that the Corinthian has now been extended until April thirtieth which is five weeks from now Russillo. How you holding up? I'm good I really am. I think I'll start with the serious stuff and that would be You and I are lucky from work standpoint. So I'm really not going to complain about anything. Work hasn't really changed that much for me and friends of mine that own restaurants or still in the service industry working for restaurants working for bars. You know those are the people that And I'm not I'm not doing. This is like the pandering thing but I don't really have that much to complain about. I wish I could be home with my dad. Who's by himself? But it doesn't make any sense to me to fly across country and then you know be on planes and then travel to even get to them and I don't even know if I can get to them because the boats have been shut down backward from so as far as the day to day thing. Yes it sucks. The beaches are closed. Now which really changes the dynamic living where I live yes. I missed the gym. But I've been trying to or whatever I can scrounge. Everything sold out like everywhere. It's been brutal to try to piece this kind of stuff together but whatever I you know I went for a bike ride. I I do stuff at home. I'm going to move my dining room table out. Probably put some weights just in my living room. Because I don't care like I just is not like anybody's coming over so I don't have a family I I don't have that kind of stuff so I'm just trying to get worked on do as many pods. We can work on the writing stuff on the side. The with the with something that happened able announce yet which is Coming at some point so as far as my day to day I mean like a twenty mile bike ride today. I'm just trying to do the most of this and you know there's there's an end we just we don't know exactly if it'd be able thirty or not but that's that's what. I'm doing but I am isolating quite a bit which I was doing for ten years anyway. And it's definitely made me appreciate just a basic stuff like being at the office one day and year coming into your pod and we just shoot the ship for ten minutes sauce. I've I've shot the shit with anybody in person other than my own family for two and a half weeks and now we're headed toward four or five weeks more but you know I think it's been it's been fun to watch people kind of get creative with how to maintain relationships like my. My Dad's whole family was on a giant zoom. Call today just all checking in for an hour and a half and I popped in and I brought my son. He played the guitar for them. And it's stuff that you could argue. We probably should have been doing anyway. If you're trying to stay connected to people my wife has had you know. Happy hour drinks with her friends. Three or four times. You know Where it should that. It's probably going to be Dave. She's stuck with my son for one more week. But it's it's been cool to watch people get creative with how they're trying to keep connections to one another. I think you know. There's so much. Fear and freight right. Now is the hospital number. Is you start hearing stories and a friend of a friend or my friend who works in an er or my friend's uncle and these stories are either secondary. I have some firsthand stories now. People that I know that have gotten hit by this then. They didn't die but You know really had a rough scary seven eight days and I think you know the thing. That's really hard to grasp. Is Not knowing if you're next or if somebody you love the feeling of constant unease. I've just never felt this before and you compartmentalize it. A bunch of different ways. You know read books do work Watched them shit on TV? Make food whatever you try. Take your mind off it but it's tough to get up. Keep shifting back to like fuck. How bad is this going to get? Yeah that's that's definitely I? It's it's there but I just don't do that. You Know I. I'm not saying in if I had a wife I had kids. I would probably do that more often. But I'm just going like okay you know. Let me know like in in my part of Manhattan beach like a lot of people weren't doing anything and and I went out for run to and I was like all right. This pack like what you know so. I'm not going to do this the next time. And then the beaches start closing. And then I think every towns afraid to keep any beach open because then it's like well that beaches open so everybody's just going to go to that one from all the other towns of the beaches closed so I could bitch about the leadership part of this which just seems to be so incredibly petty That I think it's disappointing. It has to be disappointing. No matter where you're at and I'll admit in the beginning. I didn't know you know it was like. Is this something that becomes overblown. But it's Kinda hard to argue against some of these numbers that keep going to what they're going and it's then you can sit. There is out of the younger people. It doesn't really matter but you know when you see that map of people coming back from spring break and all the different people that they travel all the United States and I'm admitting to that like twenty or twenty one for a spring break trip that I had planned. I probably would have done it and I think it's. It's starting to kick in a little bit. I think there's a thing that you said though like I wonder if they'll be something that comes of this that'll change the way we do things or if it'll be this like bump were everybody's really nice for like six weeks and then we just revert naturally kind of WHO. He's always been where you know. Maybe people are talking to people more now or catching up with people in a way or you're getting back to reading or you're being more creative than you before your more connected to your family because you're there every single day and you'll say you know what this is kind of the way it's supposed to be. It's like a power outage but we still have power. You remember when you were a little kid. There'd be a power outage you play. Board Games Played Card Games. Maybe Your Dad. My Dad would be like this is good. This is the way it's supposed to be family just entertaining each other the whole time. I'm like well. We're not the puritans like I still WanNa Watch TV. But that's what it feels like the power outage with power and part of me wonders if this has some lasting impact that people will look at the world differently but as soon as I start thinking that I go. Yeah realistically you know it. A month removed from being able to be out again. We're just going to be back to where we normally worked. I think at it so I turned fifty last September of all the things that ever happened. Thank you of things that have happened since I've been alive. This feels like the biggest thing and it's the most life changing thing. I think it's the most memorable thing for so many different ways good and bad and I think about like the biggest things that have happened since I've been alive and they ranged from you know when when we had the Blizzard Massachusetts and seventy eight and just everything shut down for three weeks and nobody knew it was coming and it's all of a sudden it was the early nineteen hundreds. Nobody could get anywhere. You're just kinda stuck where you're Nine eleven things like that. This feels bigger than all that stuff. The amount of you know the the amount of death and illness that's were we don't even really know yet. What the real numbers are how it's changed. Everybody's Day to day lives and I even think like. How am I remember this second remember? This says like that crazy time with all the sudden school was done in the beginning of March and they couldn't see their friends anymore and I almost feel like this is even bigger than it feels. If that's possible like like thirty years now we're going to look back at this coli fucking Shit. Can you believe would happen in two thousand twenty and I? I'm not their mental yet but I do feel like it's bigger than it kind of feels day to day. 'cause the day to day thing you're right you. We could do seventy eighty percent of this stuff. You might be doing anyway. You know. Maybe he didn't have a lot of contact with people. Maybe were able to do some of your job at home. And things like that but But man it does feel like transformative and going forward. Yeah is it is going to completely change. The restaurant industry is is GONNA completely change. Traveling is going to change how we interact on. We see each other Is this going to change? How do TV shows are? We GonNa just do a lot more remote if you go from little small stake stuff too big stick stuff. I do think there's GonNa be lasting things from it. Yeah I just I always trying to challenge myself like what do you think those things would be? And it's not even like capitalize on it as an investment or anything it's just you know would the would the TV deal like. Would you be more reluctant if you're a network to pay a ton for a TV deal not even really mean look the NFL is one thing it's a decade-long deal? I mean those that's along. Those deals are seven to ten years. That kind of thing depending whatever's going to start new in twenty twenty three but I would think TV ratings are gonNA take a massive hit for the first few months when we're when we're clear this people are gonNA travel more. I think people are going to be going out like crazy. I mean if we allow ourselves to have a little fun with this like if you're in your twenties and you can't beat somebody that first weekend out like you might want to just pack up and go to another country because I think there's going to be this thing where your life was altered in a way as you said. You'd think this is. The biggest thing is probably going to be that it's probably going to be something I look back on. It would be like. Wow that was crazy Nine eleven would be the only thing else that comes to mind where he just think like. How shifted your day to day was but that was a short period of time it was healing and then it was moving forward from it where the unknown can make this a lot. Scarier with nine eleven. Think about how different life was after that it completely changed. We traveled it. The from a security aspect. It changed every aspect of our country. And it's it's from that moment on it's almost like a before and after Lily you could get on an airplane. I remember I I was dating. Somebody wants to Chicago decide. Last second ago fight to go sear and you could get to the airport with your suitcase like forty minutes before the flight. Just kind of walk on through the thing in the overhead and that was it you know and nowadays. I remember what time it was like last minute boys trip and I showed up with cash and paid for my ticket at the counter and it just got on the plane and Orleans like that's insane and that's that's kind of how it went but that's like one specific part of it post nine eleven. Where this is you know like my grandparents still have one grandmother that's alive. Luckily but I remember talking to him and being a little kids and I remember specifically like one time I think I chucked penny is just like whatever she and she freaked thinking. Why would she care so much about a penny and she was a child the depression so she always for the rest of her life looked at money is is this thing? That was just different than than I did it. And honestly you know it's not like I was sitting around wasting money my whole life but it's just something I've never ever forgotten about. And it was only because of an air that she grew up in it and I just don't know if they'll be some lasting thing like I don't know I mean it's a stretch to say all of a sudden people are going to be nicer to each other. People are GONNA eat out more to to help local businesses and all that kind of stuff. I just I don't. I challenge myself to try to think of whether the answers to some of the stuff will be and I don't know right now it's still too early for me to kind of figuring stuff out. How do you think sports is GonNa Change when we actually? Let's say let's go best case scenario. We make it through the next two months. They start really lifting stuff in June and everybody is really determined to get back to normal by July and I do think that's an American thing specifically where there's real resiliency in situations like this and people really want things to get back to normal at some point and sports is GonNa be a part of that. Do you think people will be less likely to want to go to games until they know that this thing has gone? 'cause I actually think they will be. I think the concept of just cramming into some section at fenway or the staple center and the person behind. You is coughing I I don't care if they say. Yeah the Coronas gone or where? We should be all good now. There's still going to be that fear for a while after this 'cause all the scientists are saying even if we can slow things down it's never gonNA truly just kind of be like okay. We're the viruses gone. Were good distinct. Could Circle back a bunch of times and I do wonder if it's GonNa make people more scared to be like with around a lot of people. Yeah but you gotta you might be right but you gotta weigh that against how excited people are going to have that as an option. Yeah to go so would you? You tell me the first game back. There aren't going to be a lot of people there I don't know I I don't think people are going to be standing six feet away from each other. The rest of their life wants this thing is done despite scientists as you point out that this isn't gone forever and then you know the other stuff that you can read where there's a second cycle. That's waiting for us. Once the weather gets colder again in the fall. But what I do find different in this is that don't you always feel like the? Nfl was kind of a lead blocker and all the social stuff for a long time where the NFL had the capital thing and it's like what about the NBA? It's like actually we have a policy. That's already been in place for a long time. Like oh and hey what's up of concussions and the NFL's going through all their concussive talking in the NBA goes well. Actually we do have a protocol just in case you guys are wondering where the NBA was almost able to draft behind the NFL taking on all the brunt of the criticism whether is off the field guys getting into trouble what your policy was or domestic violence concussion stuff the anthem stuff in the NBA was always able to say like oh by the way while you guys are crushing the NFL. We just want to let everybody know. Here's what our policy and protocols for all of those things and now it's completely reversed because the NBA in the moment is dealing with us where the NFL can still kind of map the stuff out and just now. They can't see no one like whenever you're calling. I'm sure you're doing the same thing. Whenever you call or text anybody. Nobody knows just like any of US removed from it. I don't know if you're a basketball fan going. I wonder what would you knows? I wonder what all these people know. Nobody knows anything because the people were asking. Don't know the answer. Senator stuff will know a lot more over the next five days when we see what happens at the hospital. I mean the stuff that's already happening now. I can't believe I was talking to my dad. Today he was saying how you know Massachusetts. They really don't want people from New York to come into Massachusetts and in some cases police cars are pulling over cars with near licensed by. It's because they're really trying to delineate like Hey. Everybody stay kind of in their states. This is stuff Ikea. We're in a territory now that we've certainly never even I would say come close to broaching ever since I've been alive where you know. You're let's say you're in concord new see somebody with New York plates you know. Get Out and some house they rented and people will be Lahey. You're from New York. Why are you here? You know we just start. Talk thinking about stuff like that. It's just like Jesus Christ. It feels like the world's just been flipped while it's happening where I'm from because it's all these people with second homes on the vineyard data these great houses and a lot of people from New York City or Fairfield County in Connecticut and they were flying into the vineyard and there was this big US versus them thing. I guess garage. I don't know how big it was but I'd heard about it just from friends of mine. That are still there and I'm like well. What's the story and they go? You know it's actually a five thousand dollar fine. If you're driving on the vineyard in the winter you can't drive your car like unless it's groceries or anything medical. I'm like you can't go to the beach and just walk around to get outside. You know kind of for your own mental health like nope. And they didn't want all the off islander showing up and then you know the counter-argument that would be well if I own a house in the interim paying property tax around like why you know I can't go there and get out of New York City so being in La if feels a little different. Whereas if I were in New York City I probably wouldn't be there right now at all and I've even thought about getting the car and driving like a smaller part of you know some some mountain town. That's that's not complete shutdown and I realized like okay. What's what's the point of that just to do podcasts. Even further isolated than than you are now so why I would say L. A. was much better equipped for something like this New York New York. You're just in the middle of people ought to many. Yeah you could. You could literally be in your car or your house or your apartment or wherever everyday and run into everyone in rented to all right couple Couple mailbag questions. Then we're done so which do recommendations to. Yeah Mitchell. Abner listened to Our Karate Kid podcast which I don't know if it's eligible for awards I guess we'll find out maybe two thousand twenty one but Got A lot of good buzz on that he asks where the Small Ball. Twenty Twenty rockets. Like THE CRANE KICK. Where were they they dated and and like? Johnny Lawrence was confused by it and ended up making a poor decision. But if there's no way dance could have just kept doing that and tournament after tournament. At some point people like. Oh I'll just four to knock you over. I thought that was really good. It does congrats to him. That is a good email. Let me just let me just think though. Let me think here for a second. Would the crane chick right? Okay yeah as perfect and there's nothing else add to it. Sorry Steve. Winters really vehemently disagreed with recedo being Cricket being received as apex about okay. There's no way it's actually Tom. Petty's free falling 'cause he has that that line in there about it's a long day living in Reseda. There's a freeway running through the yard. He's saying like look that songs being played a trillion times it would be forever eventually karate kid will fade away. I don't know I still going with karate kid. Yeah it's a line in a song that is timeless but here we are thirty years later. Still talking about the karate kid and it's it's filmed there and there's some real stuff you can go ahead and search for the apartment buildings still there. Meow GEEZE hot. Would you call that? His he didn't put as much money as work. Domicile is his home that at all as something they bill out of thin air in the parking lot. So I don't know you tell me Scotto Scotto Callahan from Woburn woburn. Woburn I always said Wilbur and even though I knew as women but that's my pronunciation dyslexia. He said Yeah that was weird corona virus trade value chart. What's number one is a pure l? Like for for I'd for items you need during the corona saga girlfriend if nearest trade. There's Trades Toilet Paper Les Sahal Aerosol Spray What else would be at the top ten of the current trade value chart? What's your what's your number one I would say Mac and cheese is in the top. Ten now. Lysol DISINFECTANT WHITES ARE WAY UP THERE. Those like eighty when you could just wipe down everything. I was thinking about that the other day. Hey Do you think it'd be wiping your counters down like this two years from now know too much now probably not. No one's been here so you know what's up now I would Rice big Rice's high brisket. Latex gloves I have some but I don't like I'm not scrubbing away over here at the at the HQ What about I mean? Internet doesn't really count. I like what he's doing here though. Why has a good one? There should be something though that it's just like a home run. If I said T- y'All why fire toilet paper you can only have one. What would it be all right? So why why? Fires the tip duck and this is just ridiculous. What are we doing with our Sony? Parker's teepee grant grant and Saint. Louis wants to know a couple months ago. You mentioned on a pod that St bombers trying to build Marina del as the biggest story. Nobody was talking about. We did talk about that now. That bombers purchased the forum. What's the real story behind the headline that most people might have missed? I actually think it's pretty simple. These guys were cock blocking for building his MBA arena. And it was like it was like the neighbor. When you're trying to rebuild your house and the neighbours just calling the permit police sign. You eventually have to come up with some deal with the neighbor Dave Stockton Lendu this until he paid something for the forum. He has a pink four hundred million dollars just to get the forum from them and I think my guess is eventually he knocks it down. Maybe you keep it up for while you're building the clippers arena and you keep the form go in and try to get four five more years at dates or whatever but ultimately. I can't imagine why you would keep the forum there if you had the state of the art and the arena so I guess the symbolism of this of bomber building state of the art MBA arena. That would just destroy staple center in every conceivable way Staples Center's nineteen ninety nine two thousand and then on top of it knocking down the forum. Which is the Lakers fans version of the Boston Garden? Where so many great memories happen there? this is a rare case. The clippers pull more off over the Lakers. The Lakers cannot be happy about this. No I wouldn't think so but I you know it's it's a little bit like if you left a show if you are on. I take bill with Steven A. And then you left. Could you get mad about what they did with the show after you left Brett probably not? You know so. Lakers fans can be upset about the KINDA history. That's in that building. But I'd imagine ninety percent of Lakers fans haven't thought about the form and forever so it's kind of a flex not a weird flex not an okay weird flex it's a bit of a flex but it's a flex that has more to do with his future than damaging the Lakers past although they should do an old school they should do a Lakers game in the forum is like a final sendoff or make the final NBA game be a quick game in the forum. That'd be like a bigger fuck you right. I don't even know if they could do that. What about you speedwagon two sets? You're gonNA really like this email from Adam Adam. Herrman all right. What's bad on Arista podcast? Bill was talking about Tom. Brady leaving pointing out. That part of the issue is that Brady has been so successful in his head so few checks on his ideas that clattered is perception. Of what was the right thing to do? There's actually quite a bit of writing on this topic. I would specifically recommend on grants grand strategy by John Lewis Gaddis. The work examines. Why so many leaders seem to start making stupid decisions at the height of their power. The book two Primary Causes One. Is that many people are successful early. Due to them being innovative in some way however the more success to have the more they believe that their successes from that specific behavior and not by the mindset of being innovative the others that these leaders often start to believe their own hype and begin assuming they will be successful just by showing up and not by the same considerations that worked for them over time. People become more inflexible and reckless. Do you agree with this? Yeah I think most successful whether you're creative whether you're in business or whatever you know More people have one good idea than they have multiple good ideas. You to me are a rarity in thank. You know you really are because you were a writer who's completely head of his time and stood out away others didn't and then when people were like what's twitter you're on it and then when the podcasting things starts because I remember you know what they used to always do me not always but a couple of people at ESPN used to do this to me. I'd be going through like hey. Hey guys like every decision kinda sucks reme- and they go you know bill. Simmons wants to do talk. Radio like really. Bill wants to do this every day. That doesn't sound right. They said the only person who wants to do the show with his you house like really bill and host a radio show on ESPN radio like yes so okay cool and then obviously would never happen but you were then right to the podcast thing before. Anybody really was doing that and then you leave. Espn U. Starting our company. Do all these different things. Usually for our industry you would be the guy that wrote great columns in sucked at everything else or you would be the Guy. That was the podcast guy and was awesome. And then say I'm going to start my own company. And then you'd be a fucking disaster because you were really creative but you couldn't delegate you couldn't figure out how to run anything operationally. I do think more people are one idea people than they are multi-platform. I'm not saying it's impossible. Your example of it not being impossible. So why wouldn't you think you're always going to repeat your success when you've done that one great thing like I read one of these books. I've read a couple about him. They yes you had this thing and we can argue about what he stole in steel. Or how much was ZOLL IDEA? But he had all sorts of flops and the fact that he can't figure out how to keep his thing even secure and you're like so. Why am I still listening to you again? Because you're in college and you're pissed off about a girl and you kinda still somebody else's idea in had better coding. A what does that? What about Tom Brady though? I forgot about that part. That was terribly long answer. I like the answer but stares at Tom Brady. Do you think he's hit this point now? Yeah I think I think I think a lot of these guys when you are the guy for twenty years. I think Lebron has a little of it in him and I think we talked about this. I think those college coaches small college towns. See God when the Crisper Chris Berman. Corollary. 'cause I was thinking about it today. Watching pats Falcons which I had to watch because it was on Fox Brady coming back and pulling that off in the reverence that his even his teammates had for her after they came back and won that game. How are you going to be normal after that? You're basically like a real life action hero in a movie. You're Bruce Willis at the end of die hard. Only you pulled it off at an actual football game. You defied every single odd. That ever said there's no way you can go back. And he does it to win the most super bowls of any QB or anybody ever at that point. That's when you when you go off the rails a little bit even some of the stuff. He's doing on twitter now about Immunity its like does two. Tb twelve does he think he has the way to fight the corona virus. Like I. I honestly can't tell from his tweets. What's he trying to do with the immunity stuff? I'd rather just not comment. Okay let's move odd. Let's do recommendations of it. It's just a little worried that you know I I I respect people that have faith and feel that of a strong faith. The man above can steer you in the right directions and help you down times. I would never criticize that. But when you're telling me to pray their shit away eludes me recommendations then. We'll go sorry I should have not done that. Bauer good. Tv Show Tv Show you went to recommend below deck. It's really my only guilty pleasure reality show. I've been a below deck fan for years and I don't know why because the fascination I have with the show is that everybody that works on it whether it's the chiefs stew. Which is the main interior. Bill Stu seconds to is like her assistant thirds to basically laundry whole time. Then you have. A chef was kind of his own man. Anybody that's ever worked in restaurants. Eighty five percents chefs are fucking bat shit crazy and they have the boatswain who's like the lead of the debt crew and then the second and third and the captain so they all work on these luxury yachts. They're in the most amazing places in the world and they all seem to be kind of annoyed that somebody else rented out the yacht for like thirty to fifty thousand dollars a night and now they actually have to work and I do realize that it's not your boat. Ratto that's That's kind of what they have a new one. That's below deck yachting which is much smaller vessel. Same number of crew. They've added Horny engineer to the lineup. Which is a little different. I didn't expect that twist. And there's not one but two guitar players which we've never had before and You know I'm halfway through it right now. So I'm I'm enjoying below deck great. I watched all American season to watch the head a head of me and then my wife and I caught up. Because we're all quarantined. What the Hell Serena do Nice Stickered show it it. It has kind of a nine. Oh Two one oh in two thousand twenty five to it. It's a little soap opera people in high school. Everybody's way too old to be playing their character. The lead characters like twenty nine. He's entering his senior high school. Everyone's ten years old Tae Digs it's it they. They're really stretch of hair. I mean he's if he's supposed to in high school no way. Not He's he's the coach and Either you just want more. He just think like what would be like in this role and just like the the great actors. 'cause it's a really good role that he has he's doing his best with it but It's a it's a football show. It's like A. It's a little bit of a rich kids. Show it's definitely Race is a huge part of the show the downtown La stuff is great The first episode season two. There's like a whole nipsy hustle plot that gets woven in there some gang stuff in there. It's all that stuff is really well handled like when the old shows like to know stab like a gang episode it would just be the most awkward hour of the year This show they put real thought and care and all that stuff I really like it. I didn't love the season and I don't love the fact that one of the characters coop has a whole hip hop career. That is she's just not that good It's Very David Silver. Ask but for the most part sixty over yet. Sixteen episodes a kind of moves. I mean what's funny is now it? The show took off after season. One it was the CW show went on Netflix. Show took off then it goes back to. Cw FOR SEASON Two. And it's kind of like people. Just wait for ten up on Netflix. Including my entire family finally shows up Netflix ex. And if you look at the trending thing tagger kings one and all Americans to and has been for the entire week. So it's good. It's it's not that big of a commitment I would I I would recommend for you. I would be interested in your thoughts. All right maybe I'll check it out some football some football stuff in there. There's there's a worker I I saw. I saw some of the route. Running and people were very critical. Like yeah. You and I've talked about that that just sports consultant guy on movies. Yeah we'RE GONNA NEED. We're going to break off these. Ri- routes a little crisper at the top. There's a Welker guy who's just not welker enough and you'RE GONNA WELKER. You GotTa go away or get welcomed actually to what What book do you have for us? Okay American kingpin the EPA Kant for the criminal mastermind behind Silk Road. I didn't really know that much about silkroad because I'm not a drug guy but this whole alternative Internet. I think beyond just the dark web and I did read about their involvement with Bitcoin. But this book Just came out and I can't wait to dig into it. I Love I love the new crime stuff. I got a couple of different lanes and amid with books right now but I do. Those usually go fast. Start Him in power through. I haven't started it yet though the full endorsement. But we'll let you know 'cause I just bought online at the fifty year anniversary New York magazine Book that has all their covers and stories and like and for and it's like a giant coffee table book but for some reason that's my next book that I'm GonNa read so I got that. Do you read it or you. Just put it in the Coffee Tim. I'm actually read it because I it's got some good stuff I'll zero. I believe you too. So that's good. Thank you Movie New movie or old movie. Now let's go to movie first and we'll finish with old perfect platform on Netflix. It looks kind of like a snow piercer in jail with a table of food. I made this. Is this good. I saw twenty five minutes of it. It's dubbed over. So you just get a ride out the dubbing and then you'll be fine it moves. He gets you in there fast. It's it's predictably weird. I feel like so many guys have these ideas for things like well. How are you ending it though I ended it? Whatever I haven't made it all the way through. I don't even know if it's good or not but it's so weird I like I like you and I I'm doing recommendations and stuff. I haven't completed yet. I'd like you to watch platform this week and then regroup on this next week 'cause it might be awful we you in on tiger king or now yeah loved it quick. Yeah did you. Oh Yeah it's Unbelie for twenty five thirty years. This is just by my wheelhouse. Those I remember remember the Paradise Lost Documentary with the Stepfather Mark Byers. He took his teeth out. They yeah and it depended on the three metallica kids and but then it was clear the stepfather made a bet involved. And then right around the time he became a suspect. He decided to take all his teeth out. The Kadam removed surgically. That's weird now. We'll never know of those bite. Marks a yours and their play metallica. And that was like the first one of these where it just took me to this really weird part of the world and each thing. That happened was weirder than the next thing. And I'm always in an all of those as we were trying to figure out and this might be a show developing so maybe I shouldn't give out the idea but As we get through what we're going through right now. I don't know it'd be worth like everybody having to be reviewed like how did you handle it? Okay well you're in zone one you handle that. You did the right things you know. Maybe you went outside and had a cigarette your driveway. But that's okay and you're like wait a minute so you did what you worked at the Tiger King Place in Oklahoma and you went on spring break here. Put you in zone six. Who are the Tiger cheater which is back at work and five days super? Try Out of it. That's a guy now just just to make sure we go about it. The Right Way Yeah and my my favorite part of the whole thing is that Joe Exotic. I grabbed his. Emt Jacket and then was on the scene so he had changed into that jacket for the camera before that. I also think it's funny to see Carol. Vast who was accused of killing her husband at big cat rescue is experiencing the wrath of the Internet and away that she'd never understood like this isn't just people who like cat videos anymore. This is everybody else would Cardi B. Calls you a bitch on twitter like the game just changed for you. So they're getting a little taste of what it's like right now which is probably something. They thought was in their past. Did you see the Jimmer? Say video where. He became Jim Exotic when he joined the Bob Seger Song. That guy's unbelievable he sang. He sang a minute of Bob. Seger chair up there in the corona virus thing. It was phenomenal. I loved it. I was probably the Geffen's Geffen social media posts to cheer everybody up. Did you got now? You didn't see David Geffen. He was like a drone shot of an insane yacht in this Chris. Golden Sons and yeah Tagger King I thought was it should have been five episodes. Seven was ambitious. All of those who that way now and I'm like dude. You could have done this in three or four dodgers king. I will watch twenty once tiger king once once Joe exotic disappears. I'm pretty much ready to go within an hour after that. Like 'cause I I need Joe Joe Exotic. He's the Lebron the documentary. It's just tough to rally back once. He's what's his own anymore Williams outta temps a so you so we did new movie. Okay so I really liked the way back. Nice I got to go on Amazon de affect movie sports movie little unconventional but I had some issues with that I can go into them about a month from now after seeing it. I what really struck me is just how good Affleck is I. I've been a fan of Affleck for a long time. Obviously know him a little bit and I. I don't know what his best performance in a movie was before this announce well for me and you. It's the town I think in gone girl is a really smart performance Where he's it's a little Meta the way. He carries himself for that movie. The way he plays Rosamund Pike. I had always thought that was his best kind of movie performance. He's better in this. Some fears the bad ones too. I don't think it's improbable that he gets nominated. I thought he was really addicting. I thought he was really affecting really good at and it's clearly crossing. The beams within the character is playing in real life. There's a lot of baggage she brings to it that I think Brad Pitt could have played this guy and that's about it but I think the baggage is really important. I think it it. It merges real life and the sports movie character in a way that is unusual and probably shouldn't have worked but I thought it worked really well and I just thought it was a really well done movie. The Guy did it did warrior which is A great one. He'd win win. I think he did win. warriors awesome. I mean we're in unbelievable Gavin O'Connor so I'm all in on Gavin O'Connor I'm with you on AFLAC. I think he's actually become criminally underrated. Everybody has bad movies but He's he's so good in God girl you know why so. Good girl if you had read the book if you didn't know anything about that movie. He's so perfect at playing inbetween. He did it. He didn't do it he did. It didn't do it. It keeps just think it's it's kind of like a musician who plays within the notes you know instead of just railing away as fast as you can't guitar trumpet all that stuff but like finding a way to like plain between the music and I don't know that much about playing I I like music but that's what I think he's terrific so I look. He's he's almost automatic for me that I would check out one of his movies at this point. So I'm with you chasing. Amy was the Other one for him that I thought he was really good in that movie a lot of flaws. But he's great in that movie. Old Vigo say anything. This is more than just a mean kids. It's probably the first romantic comedy that Guys liked universally they keep. You normally wouldn't like this kind of movie being Yurai when we were younger You may watch it or whatever but this one like was different It was Cusak is older than me when this movie came out but it it just hit all these perfect tones of kind of this lost die and this line alone it should just look everybody that sees the the Guy Holden the stereo up outside and it was Peter Gabriel music. That's actually not just a funny mean. It's one of the best movies of that of that time because it's funny it's dramatic. It's it's sad. It's a relationship to sack so good back then any sitting there and he's dating this daughter and he's at dinner with the father and juice ex character. Loyd says career. I've thought about this quite a bit. Sir and I have to say considering. What's waiting out there for me. I don't want to sell anything by thing or process anything as a career. I don't want to sell anything. Bader processed or by anything solar process or repair anything sold bought or processed as a career. I don't WanNa do that. My father's in the army. He wants me to join but I can't work for that corporation sort of doing lately as kickboxing which is new sport as far as career longevity. I don't really know I can't figure it all out tonight. Sir Some just GonNa hang with your daughter fucking brilliant writing. Brilliant and you know. I'm a little more successful now than Lloyd was but that spoke to me. Then it's still speaks to me now so again. Check that one out if you're a young dude right now. It's a good date movie too when you're allowed to go on those again. It's an excellent movie. It's thirty one years old. It's Cameron Crowe. I I love his crazy friend. Who still obsessed with the boyfriend or dump their Joe she sings. Joe Lies. Show Lila. Fuck Aylesbury really good ending Good Good John Mahoney too. I think that was The you know everyone knows him from frazier but that was I was new him from that movie in. Reality Bites like the John Mahoney moves. I'm in on this For My old movie my son loves these eighties movies like he loved. He was so fired up with credit. Kid He He loves can't buy me love. That was keeping them that I would watchable. Oh where'd you have a lot of thoughts? We'd have to get America's thoughts. I know we could do that. Because I've I've city Manzini stories from when she spent a summer in Burlington no longer allow unfortunately. Yeah unfortunately so. I can't buy me love. I guess I could just do that one. But so we've been kind of plowing through the eighties and it's funny. They're not much different than the movies. That like net flicks makes now like the two other boys. I love before. It's all the same blueprint that was created in the eighties. So we was talking. I was telling him he asked who won the movie when we did the Rewatch for credit kid and I said you know John. The guy put Johnny Lawrence. We decided one the movie. And he's I I. Yeah Johnny Lawrence. He's like Oh did you give it to him because he's never been another movie as I know he actually was in two other movies where he's like a Dick including just one of the guys which is a classic is like what's that so. We watched it on Saturday. All Man Gist one of the guys. It's on Amazon. If the rent it it's incredible and in fact I know we talked about it. A tiny bit on the rewatch was. I have no idea why the karate kid teen Wolf Breakfast Club. A couple these others lived on and just one of the guys like died but it is an unbelievable rewatch that there's sexism in it The little brother was the one that stole the show for my son. He just could not eat the little brother absolutely slate and played by billy. Jacoby I don't know Jack is to talk about him all the time religion. What happened well just like well. Why was it billy? Jacoby one of the biggest stars coming out of the eighties. We'll never have an answer I don't know. But he's great in this movie. And then Joyce Heiser who dated Bruce Springsteen in Warren Beatty in real life according to wikipedia search headed for a girl says her her one starring role. And she's great and too but it's it's an old eighties movie that I promise if you watch it You'll get a kick out of for subway. There's that way it won't hold your attention. Just one of the guys. I need to watch it again because it's been awhile for myself as well. It's great. Well you're in the pitch black now on our on our feet. So that means it's time to go russillo. We can hear the nine hundred ninety eight redraft on your feed this week along with at least one other ask in the ninety seven redraft will be on the book basketball podcast. So we're at least going through two thousand then I think PR- probably like probably two thousand three and then we'll see if we keep going after that Stay safe good to see you and talk to you as always and We'll talk to you next Sunday. Yeah you to same deal family. Everybody out there. Thanks for having me on all right. Thanks to Ziprecruiter thanks to Russillo. Don't forget we'll be putting up some of these redrafts exclusively on the book of basketball. Podcast subscribe their ninety. Eight will be on Russillo feed as well. And we're going to keep having fun with this gimmick. Because what the hell are we can talk about in that? Set Re watchable coming tomorrow night with Shea Serrano and myself fast and furious seven enjoy the rest of the day stay wasted people take care of yourself and back later in the week burst.

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