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When A Listener Calls...
"You're listening to shortwave Oh real quick before we get started we just want to say thank you so much to everybody who's been listening to Shirley all right Mattie so it's our very first listener question was owed and we're weird like good weird a bunch of you wanted to know why people seek out scary situations the the her hiding to pop up and now we on the ground honestly from Grand Rapids Michigan. His shirt with October is my favorite time of year and I tend we put myself into scary situations for fun so I was wondering would you be Andy great question every time I've gone to a haunted corn maize myself why and he's written a book about people who love intense experiences in my favorite thing go to go to haunted house for a fish so you kept telling some of the actors to come out and frighten me eighty proud supporter of independent thought whether that's online over the air or Andy is probably a person that's called a high sensation seeker but if someone is a high sensation seekers or not so they're like four things that kind of factor into her how much you can tolerate boredom and how much you're willing to be like wild and a cold traits to them that make that easier for them actually right so the fight or flight response and so Cortisol is one of the Yeah I'm definitely not going to fight and if I'M GONNA fight I'm GonNa Bite but keep going we think about them being adrenalin junkies but what they do produce more of is a stress response during the scary stuff in more of a like this is fun response the danger and they're probably not producing that much dopamine so that they are seeing the things around you once called the behavioral inhibition system and Tim Says Oh this is something that's possibly dangerous and bad and seekers may have overactive or really high approach systems and says Oh
A Moment Of Kindness From Will
"Hi everyone this is yes. Amer Co host of kind world coming in with this week's moment of kindness but I have you listened to our latest episode this past Tuesday. We talked to an eleven year. Old Name Emerson Weber. She loves to write these long and thoughtful handwritten letters but more importantly she gives us all a very important lesson in empathy. So be sure to subscribe to kind rolled on your favorite podcast APP. So you don't miss any of our full length. Episodes poor are bonus stories. Like this one. Now here's will bloom. Doll of Grand Rapids Michigan. With this week's moment of kindness. I may public transportation user and I was at What we call the the grand rapids main were all the buses every fifteen minutes congregate and people transfer and I was waiting there with a regular crowd and the new driver for the bus number seven. The shift change and This young girl probably school in running up to the driver and she said I don't know what to do have lost all my money and the driver whose hands were as big as baseball mitts. He said to this little girl much was it and she said it was one hundred twenty five dollars and the opened up his big baseball. Mitt hand and said there you go and just the look on her face for panic to calm was immediate and she grabbed the money without saying anything. And we're off just like that and I said to the driver you have uncommon integrity and you feel human and thank you very much. Well thank you for calling in sharing your story with us. What about you have you seen an act of kindness? That really inspired you or has someone really major day with a simple thoughtful gesture Colin. Leave us a voicemail. Where at six one? Seven three five three six three five zero six seven three five three six three five zero Andrea and I will be back with more kind world on Tuesday. Thanks for listening. Have a great weekend.
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The Barrett Brief 1st Debate Retrospective: Dr. Jekyll & Mr Hyde
"It it's funny because I'm looking at these polls that are saying that Joe Biden tested better on compassion the that's all from covid right? Because he went to Kovic fear. So he went off of notes trying to jazzed. Channel His old self. It looks like trump's strategy going in. was to just try and make. Make Biden as uncomfortable. As uncomfortable As possible try to get under his skin which worked. Now. A lot of people are going to. You. Know Oh trump was interrupting in a and this, and that new was terrible. Was He was double US double covered by Wallace and Biden. He either takes command of the stage. In runs the show. or He's GonNa get dominated like Romney or. Any of your country club Republicans. That's why we voted for trump in two thousand sixteen. because. He doesn't take it from these people. and. I'm if you've actually thought trump was going to have some he was going to become some amazing order. That's pretty much what you saw. Last night was trumping the in he did not do great. In the three debates in two thousand sixteen. He had moments like he did last night but overall his debate performances R- actually. Pretty A. But the strategy was to make Joan comfortable. Was To push back of course. Realizing that Chris Wallace was going to so been halfway. and start debating trump on all these talking points. Because at one point it did seem like Chris Wallace was debating president trump. Houses being perceived. What's the narrative trump's a mad man? and. What did I tell you yesterday? The point of Joe Biden in this debate was not to have any kind of clear-cut victory was about sound it was about taking pieces here and there Cherry picking the the ninety or so minutes. And cutting them up and putting them out there. The white supremacist remarked even though trump has condemned on multiple occasions and if you actually look at the transcript, trump did disavows. Yeah. Tell me a group. And they said white supremacy. So yeah, tell me a group. Because if you think about folks everybody. On the right. Has Been identified as a white supremacist at one point or another. So when trump goes yeah tell me who to disavow. And they didn't give them then then the proud boys came up. Foolish but. That was a Gotcha question. That came out of nowhere. The idea. That was brought up in regards to. The Mail in ballots that's another narrative trump will not give into a peaceful transition of power. Why won't he just say this and all this other stuff by the way the white supremacist stuff the biting campaign. Foolishly. Courses. The Biden campaign foolishly put out a tweet this morning connecting Kyle Rittenhouse to white supremacy. Which I know people have been saying in the media but now it's in print. Now it is in print on an ad. So I expect. Written houses lawyer should go after Biden for an absolute smear because rittenhouse maybe a lot of things but he's not a white supremacist but that's the point. Everybody on the right is a white supremacist. So when President Trump asked for a specific group. And they kind of just go rights wherever Z. And that's that's now. Oh, he won't condemn white supremacist even though Joe Biden. One of the many lies he said Antifa, it's an idea. That idea as cost about a billion dollars in damage this summer. Be at Chris Walls. Didn't really find the time. To ask. Joe Biden to expand on that a lot of things. That Joe Biden said we're kind of just left in the air if you will. And I was trump. I would've been upset too I. would have been a little frustrated too. Now, Wallace's credit. Only when it was dropped in front of his lap, the green new deal remark is probably the most. Poignant. Were within the span of thirty seconds Joe was for the Green Dude new deal before he was against it and then for it. which by the way, if you go to the Joe Biden website, he's for. The. Law Enforcement Aspect which will talk about. Trump. Won Two parts law enforcement. He absolutely one the law enforcement part. He won the economy as well despite I don't I never I got CS in macro microeconomics, but I've never heard of a case shape recovery. Right is that like a dog whistle for white supremacists I don't I don't know what that is by really don't. But the economy law and order and parts of the Supreme Court is where trump clearly had an advantage to the point where the other two couldn't really push back like I said, we're GONNA get into all this The show is called Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde. You tell me which one is which eight, four, four, five, two, seven, eight, seven, two, three on the other side of this we're going to get into the cage fight or the the mud raw. 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We have just found footage or video has surfaced of Joe Biden this morning in Cleveland trying to give a a rousing speech to capitalize on the supposed momentum that Joe Biden acquired last night this is from Fox News take a listen to the guy that everybody is telling you quote unquote won. Last night's debate. And here comes the train tried to make sure that continue to front. That's the commuter. Folks. Ju. Ju that you ju- trae and come down the tracks. Now it's never gonna come back like, what are you doing man? Do I mean I have add but that guy makes me look like like an absolute stoic scholar. That's the guy. Everybody's telling you one last night I'm surprised guy actually went outside. Today, considering they had to shut that thing down last night Chris. Wallace. Shut that bad boy down. right at the end. There was no closing argument. There is nothing like all right. Good night. It's like somebody told Chris Wallace, you need to end this thing is Joe Biden's about to lose it. And as I said yesterday in the briefing Crusade Janelle Joe is going to start off strong. And then he was gonna Kinda just fade as the night continues his strongest areas. Kovin. Because that's where everybody kind of got this idea. That he was kind didn't that he cared about you because he's trying to scare the crap out of seniors. He's trying to scare seniors into voting for him instead of trump. Thrown around the two hundred thousand people dead mark in these other things. One Problem Joe has and Clay Travis notice this last night in the in the breakdown Joe needs to get away from numbers he needs to stop trying to to throw out. He always one hundred percent of the time mistakes them. He needs to stick to generalities they're easy to remember they're easy to push across. Once you start getting into hard numbers or any kind of statement of fact quote unquote from them. He gets re he gets lost very easy on those and that's where you could see him kind of running around the board. But I said yesterday nobody's GonNa win from this. Both sides are going to get what they want. And really the biggest loser in this entire thing had to be Chris Wallace. Had to be Chris Wallace because the man look like he didn't have any. Idea what was going on he's chuckling. With. Joe Biden. At one point. and. So there's do things Biden one and trump is on presidential even though they're ignoring bind telling trump to shut up and you're the all the little hissy fit snarky attitude that turns people off. Biden's behaviors passive aggressive behavior during the debate. Will Not. Will Not Endear himself. To. Many people outside of the trump derangement syndrome sycophants. We have breaking news. From the epoch times. Governor, whitmer. Yes. That's right. Folks in the Great. State of Michigan Governor Whitmer the stepmother nobody likes has extended Michigan's state of emergency. Through, October twenty seventh. Right. Saying that the economic and social harms posed by the pandemic. Remain quote. Widespread. And severe. So you people in Michigan are going to have to take another month essentially. Of covid nineteen lockdowns because your step mom is not very happy with you. I mean I can't really say anything step dad here in Texas Greg Abbott has his not let us up because we're not being good little boys and girls. So Governor Whitmer is continuing to do the same thing in Michigan. 'cause fear right because that's that's the thing fear. But we have this article from the American thinker that talks about the first presidential debate was a cage fight. I think we need to be careful by saying first presidential debate because I'm with my church I. Don't know if there's going to be a second one. There is enough. Good I don't WanNa say goodwill but there were enough positive moments. From Biden's. Time on stage yesterday that his his campaign team can just roll with that for the rest of the election citing covert unsafe conditions, all kinds of other nonsense. I would not be surprised. So we're going to be we gotTA BE concerned. Her just. Keep in mind that this may be The only debate out there. So this is from the American thinkers Janice Shaw crouse before the first presidential debate, the consensus. was that it would be consequential event. This debate matters. This election matters as they always say others talked about there being a quote unquote big deal in historic moment. Obviously, both candidates approach the debate knowing the significance of their performances both were ready and raring to go I. Don't buy them was we're raring to go. He was just a live. Right he had the the the pulp fiction adrenaline shot.
8 Trivia Questions on Time Travel Movies
"We're going back in time to answer questions on time travel movies before we were born not really, but you should still probably punch someone named biff today. This is trivia with buds. Be and welcome to another episode of the trivia with buds podcast. I'm your host. Ryan buds. Thanks for checking out this show. If you like pop culture trivia, you are in the right place. I do emphasize pop culture trivia because we don't do a ton of academic trivia on this show. So if you're really more of a bookworm, and you like math and science and the periodic table and things like that. We do slip it in from time to time, but more often than not it is movies music television video games stuff like that today's no different because we have time travel movies, and it should be a really fun time. Speaking of traveling, just regular traveling. I was in Grand Rapids Michigan over the weekend. Doing a big show for a company called J H oil three hundred and thirty people which I think is the most trivia, I've hosted for people wait that doesn't make sense. The most people I've hosted trivia four in one big group where everybody was actually playing. So that was pretty cool. We did at this big event center called the pinnacle center over there in hudsonville Michigan, and I landed and there was a delay in my bag was late and all that kind of stuff. So everything that could go wrong went wrong. But I still got to the gig about forty five minutes early. I would like to get there like two hours early, but it all worked out good. We did cahoots which is a fun buzzing smartphone version of trivia a lot of classrooms use it to study for tests, and it kind of engages kids to use their cellphones in educational way. So I bust out as a bonus round a lot of my trivia nights, sometimes in the LA area. But because there were so many people, and it would have taken forever to kinda score three hundred and thirty people's answer sheets. Even in teams of ten that's third three teams. I opted to go for coot so signed into that and had a think we did four rounds of fifteen questions each which still took a good amount of time. That was probably an hour by itself, and they seem to really enjoy that. I think we had. About two hundred and fifty players at one time. So there were some older people that worked at this company that obviously we're not going to bust out their cell phones. They're like, what is this, you know, but most of the crowd plates that was cool. Then I did a game where we did like eighties music. Bingo. So I gave every table of bingo Dabur and an eighties bingo card in played songs. And they marked off the songs as we played like twenty seconds of each song. And then they wanted to keep the bingo dabs, which was weird. But most of the tables keep the daggers. They're like, hey, we didn't win. Can we keep the Dabur? I'm like, hey, if that's a highlight of living in Michigan winning a free. Bingo, Dever, I am a happy to give that to you. And then we did a round where was naming movies through the alphabet, which I do quite a bit. But because there were so many people that are like thirty one person from each table, though, I think thirty three players for that. And I actually recorded video of that. A girl was nice enough to hold my ipad in the audience. So it's not the best. Quality video, but it's a fun one to watch and listen to if you wanna check it out Lincoln in the show notes to this episode, and you can find it over on the trivia with buds Facebook page, and they went for quite a bit. I think we went through the that maybe three times. So check that out J H oil. They were a ton of fun. And thank you everybody at J H oil. If you're listening to the podcast, which I plugged quite a bit throughout the show while I was in Grand Rapids. I didn't have a ton of time to do anything else. But it was fun being in the cold for a short period of time. And quite a bit of snow. I almost missed my flight on the way home they cancelled flights and then southwest was not cancelled. So I was like is that a good thing or a bad thing where they're like, no, south west can take it. Everybody else's is going to be on the ground. But getting the plane that is ready for a risk. You know? So that was interesting, but the way home there were empty seats to Chicago for connecting flight and then from Chicago back to on -tario, California. So that was cool to stretch out. And do some puzzles been doing these puzzles nonstop? These fill in the word puzzles. So it's like a crossword puzzle, but they give you all the words used to find on the grid by process of elimination. Where all the words go, it's pretty nerdy. But hey, if you listen to this show, you're probably pretty nerdy too. Right. Aided place called Logan's roadhouse. And I specifically went to that place 'cause roadhouse was in the title there were no bar fights. But I did eat a nice little fully. And that was my treat for myself for the week. And lastly about that trip. I stayed in a Airbnb that was called nana's bedrooms number three, and it could not have been more like a nana's bedroom. It was very very grandma e and nanna who was named Carol and her husband were super super nice. And there was another couple of staying in the next room over, but it was really like staying in your grandma's house. Which is what I put in the review. So if you're ever in the hudsonville Michigan area and need a place to stay on Airbnb, look up nana's, bedrooms, one two and three because it was a delight this episode today all about time travel movies, and it was picked by Dan Cappello, who's an Australian listener who looks like a younger Shane McMahon from WWE. If you want to check him out find Dan propel on Facebook. And you'll agree with me. If you watch wrestling if you want more time travel type questions check. Out September thirteenth two thousand sixteen episode of the show called back to the future versus US presidents trivia with my pales comedians, Sam Cortez, and Brad more. They battle in ten questions on those topics so twenty questions total ten on back to the future ten on US presidents, and it's linked in the show notes as well for easy finding let's jump into these eight new questions on time travel movies right now. Here we go. All right. Eight questions on time travel movies. Here's number one after Bruce Willis and Joseph Gordon Levitt who played the female lead in the film Looper number one after Bruce Willis Joseph, Gordon, Levitt who played the female lead in the film Looper. Question. Number two. What city is the train ride setting for the film source code number two. What city is the train Ryan setting for the film source code. Question. Number three Bill Murray. Relives the same day over and over again in groundhog day in what month is groundhog day. Celebrated number three in what month is groundhog day. Celebrated. Question number four and back to the future to biff has a grandson in the future. What is the grandson's name number four and back to the future to biff has a grandson in the future. What is the grandson's name? Question. Number five, what key item allows Evan trae born to travel back in time in the film, the butterfly effect. Number five, what key item allows Evan trae born to travel back in time in the butterfly effect. Question. Number six, what time travel comedy features a Russian energy drink called chur nobly number six what time travel comedy features eight Russian energy, drink called nobly. Question. Number seven the lake house start what do out who played counterparts in nineteen ninety four film as well. Number seven the lake house start. What do oh who played counterparts in a hit nineteen Ninety-four film as well. And question number eight what comedian plays Rufus in Bill and Ted's excellent adventure? Number eight what comedian plays Rufus in Bill and Ted's excellent adventure? Those are your eight questions. We'll be right back with your answers injustice. Second. Here we go with the answers to time travel movies, Dan, great pick in this topic. I always love good time travel movie. And now I wanna watch most of these again question number one after Bruce Willis and Joseph Gordon Levitt who played the female lead in Looper that was Emily blunt, Emily blunt. I would not have been able to pull that. I don't even really remember a main or co-starring female in that movie. I just remember those two. So if you're able to pull that question off good job, you must be a big Looper fan. Number two. What city is the train ride setting for the film source code. That is sweet home Chicago, Jake, Jalen hall in his second time travel related movie. The first one of which is Donnie Darko. We do not do a question on Donnie Darko on this episode. But Chicago is the source for source code number three Bill Murray relieves the same day over and over again in groundhog day, and what month is groundhog day celebrated. It is February this month. If you're listening to the episode when it came out February. And I think that is February second if I'm not mistaken. Number four and back to the future to biff has a grandson in the future. What is the grandson's name Griff Griff like Griffin, I guess or Griffin door Griff? And biff I would like to think that all his kids if he has more than one are named with a rhyming name like biff and Griffin live and tiff that'd be great number five. What key item allows Evan trae born to travel back in time in the film, the butterfly effect. That is his journal. You can read the journal and focus on it. And then he goes back to those moments, which does not work with my live journal guys, which is still running. I've read those entries over and over again. And I can't go back to the puberty times. I don't know how hard I try it doesn't work out. Number six, what time travel comedy features a Russian energy drink called Chernobyl that is hot tub time machine or nobly loved hot tub time machine hot tub time machine to not so good. I think I turned it off. But the first one lots of fun number seven the lake house start. What do oh who played counterparts in? Hit nineteen ninety four film as well. The night before film with speed in the lake house starred Keanu Reeves and Sandra block number seven and number eight what comedian plays Rufus and Bill and Ted's excellent adventure. One of my favorite of all time, George Carlin, George Carlin plays Rufus who introduces them to the idea of time travel in the phone booth that was it Griff. How about that answer? Griff? I bet they shit when they were like, what are we name? Biff grandson Griff done time for lunch. Let's do it this episode maybe want to go back and watch Looper and butterfly effect again, but not lake house because I've never seen it, and they did shoot that though in willow springs, Illinois, not far from where I grew up. And I remember in college, I think maybe freshman year of college a community college Moraine valley community college. I remember driving to find the fake lake house that they built on the lake. It was like bright -til greenish color, and it was up there for a while probably have an old picture of it somewhere like a printed picture and. Yeah, it was weird to be like, oh, man. They're filming that movie there, and then never watching the movie, but if you've seen the lake house, and it's any good, let me know. Maybe I'll go back and watch it. Remember, if you want more time travel questions, click the link for episode seven from way back in two thousand sixteen that's in the show notes and get ready for more great patriotic topics in months to come like, X files and rice novels Ron Swanson and the seven wonders of the world by listeners of the best and the keep the show rolling right along with their great ideas for trivia, topics. Thank you so much for listening. Thanks for telling a friend about this show. And we'll see you tomorrow for more trivia with buds. Cheers.
#1351 - Q&A: When is the right time to sell your business?
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Welcome to satisfy school my name is Chris Gil about. So first of all a couple of things here to get to this point where you're able to ask the question is reason to celebrate fault because first of all this caller and anybody else in that situation, they have created an asset. That's what it's all about. You're trying to create something that can make money for you not just work harder create something that can potentially earn money for you, which, of course, when you`re Going to sell a business that is a primary goal. So wonderful but secondly, another reason to celebrate might be because you're smart enough to realize that you might not want to do this thing forever whatever it is that you have started instead of just planning to operate it forever. You've actually thought Oh maybe I want to consider moving on maybe I want to ask myself what's the next project rather just trying to do both things or trying to continually start projects or just Shut them down without getting value from them. Maybe. There's a way to sell it. Okay. So two reasons to celebrate but how you know when it's the right time and then what do you do next like how do you actually go about selling business? That's what we'll talk about in this episode. So glad you're here here's the message from our sponsor multi have right in. I'm excited about a new music documentary podcast long may they run? Created, directed, and produced by see thirteen originals the team that brought you gangster capitalism and root of evil long they run as a groundbreaking new show exploring iconic touring bands had a lasting impact on music culture and beyond. Season one focuses on the band fish one of the most successful impactful pioneering bands of all time. You can bench season. One of long may they run on apple podcasts spotify radio DOT COM and anywhere you listen to your podcasts. Hi Chris. This is Mike Ticket from Grand Rapids Michigan and I've been listening to the show for the past two years. Thank you for all the value provide your podcasts in your books. My Hustle is called Saturday's a rugby day is a rugby lifestyle brand and custom uniform provider for United States based rugby teams through a website at Saturday's rugby day DOT com. My question for you is that, when do you know it is the right time to sell Your Business? In addition, where are the best places to sell your niche ECOMMERCE visit? The. Thank you so much. Mike Jacob Grand Rapids appreciate you listening and congratulations as I said in the introduction on getting to this point. Saturday's rugby day. Pretty cool concept very memorable name and obviously serving a tightly focused community. So there. When is the right time to sell Your Business? Someone give two answers, which I think kind of go hand in hand one is a bit more emotional or let's say heart centered and the other is very not it's business focus. So just to kind of lead with the first one you know the right time to sell or the right time to move on whatever it is is kind of like when it's the right time. Is circular but if you think about the right time is the right time it's when you're not loving it it's when you're not into it like you have obviously been very passionate about building this business this brand. Well when you're no longer passionate or you you sense that you're ready for something new or you will be in a certain time I think it's very important to pay attention to that so whether it's selling up business or just finding another way to make a transition that's usually going to be the right move but business. Wise. The answer is the right time to think about selling is when you have enough sustainable income to make it worthwhile because the value of your business here when I say value I, just mean the monetary value what it can sell for what it is worth to potential buyer. That's going to be based in large part on the recurring income or the predictable income of the business. Okay. So in this case, sounds like Mica selling these rugby uniforms. Teams throughout the United States. So that could be somewhat predictable in a sense that there's a certain number of teams they're going to be ordering a certain number of uniforms. It may not be a subscription service or recurring revenue in the sense that it's exactly predictable, but it does seem like it's sustainable. So that's good. So it's when you have enough sustainable income that independent buyer or an auditor or somebody looking at business will be able to say, Oh, here is what? The annual predicted income is going to be here is what a fair multiplier that value you know. We'll be there's a lot more we could say about that but did not go into too much detail to resources. For Mike Jacob but anybody else out there who's interested? The first one I always send people to in this situation is a book called built to sell. By a guy named John. Hello. John John has actually built a whole space like a number of books about this concept, but I think bill to sell was his first one. Kind of his legacy book about it. So I actually read that a number of years ago and really really enjoyed it built to sell by John. We'll and the other resource is Biz sell dot com. So think might Jacob was asking like, where would I go and sell my niche ecommerce based business while that might be where or if it's not where? You're at least going to get a lot of information from it so BY SELL DOT COM. I haven't looked at a number of years but I just pulled it up. On their homepage, it says, they've had one hundred, thousand sales one hundred, thousand small businesses have changed hands. On the site right now, they have forty five thousand active listings. So. There's a whole formula there pal businesses are listed as I said, if you kind of dive in there spent a few hours perhaps you're GONNA get a lot of information and can determine some next steps so good luck. Thanks again Mark Jacob anybody else out there. You're awesome. Thank you so much for listening. If you have a question of your own and come to school dot com slash questions, we're gonNA continue to feature them keep rolling along no matter what's happening in the world now I'm going to be here and I'm so grateful that you're listening my name is Chris Gil about this is site US law school. A. Probably the onward project.
#1399 - Q&A: Should I keep politics out of my business?
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Here is a very timely question because technically it connects with twenty twenty US presidential election which you may have heard about impact I'm guessing it's kind of like corona virus you were somewhat familiar with this even if you're not in the United States The whole world is watching, of course however, the caller mentions that we are living in a heightened divisive time in regards to political communication affiliation. So even though as a timely question, sadly I don't think that's going to change anytime soon, I think we're going to continue to have this device of time I have no idea for the foreseeable future. So in this question, like why does this relate to also school? Well, here's connection. This listener yearns for the days when he could express his support for a political candidate or platform while still maintaining positive relationships with friends and neighbors who disagreed, and now that he has a side hustle, he's trying to figure out. Just kind of keep my mouth shut and my trying to be completely a political news. Or is there some room to express my opinions without necessarily alienating fifty percent of my audience? So it really interesting question I think a lot of people actually kind of navigating this in different ways. I've had a number of emails and social media comments, questions, examples about this. So I'm excited to dive into it. Should I keep politics out of my business? Yes or no or something else? That is what's coming up after this quick message from our sponsor. Thank you sponsor. The creative system is broken, but Patriot has a better way. Patriot is built for craters advertisers. You'll develop a sustainable income source by offering a recurring membership to your fans in turn they'll get access to your exclusive community premium content and a chance to become active participants in the work they love. If your podcast or video maker musician writer illustrator basically a creative person of any kind or simply loved one now is the time to check out patriot. Dot Com. Develops steady income stream and change the way your creativity is valued. You never have to sacrifice creative freedom and the name of financial freedom ever again. Hey Chris Steve and I've been listening to the show for about two years the great advice with the election coming up I'm wondering if I should maintain a total division of political views for my growing side-hustle. It's a very divisive issue here in Grand Rapids Michigan when I grew up it wasn't a big deal for friends and neighbors to vote for posing parties and still share the parts of life. People would disagree with one another but it wasn't the end of the world nowadays that seems far less common. I. Want to be accepting everyone but I also wanNA share my views during feels like a vital time. However. My friends and family think I. Should Keep my mouth shut and I post anything about the election on my social media accounts. What do you think? Listeners, friends, listeners, community I'm so glad that Steve called him with this question because as I said, I've heard variations and versions of this in different ways but this isn't capsulated quite well. Steve Steve Thank you and this is an issue where people could easily argue it both ways. Okay. So some questions I get I feel confident that I have a pretty authoritative answer like this is what you should do and you know I think you're going to have better odds of success if you do this. With this particular question I'm going to share my opinion. Okay and your opinion may be different but personally I think that there is a way to express your opinions, your beliefs and a business does not need to be completely values neutral and so I think that word values is really key because this election cycle in particular and maybe some others as well. But here we are now. It is about values. It's not just about candidates. You know what kind of world do we want to live in? And it's a very clear contrast, right? Like I don't think anybody could argue. Oh, these people or these two parties are the same you know. So I don't think you have to sit it out I. Think there is room to express your views. Some people may not like that. That's true. But that's also K. and others will actually respect you more for it. So. For example, like I haven't talked a lot about politics on the podcast, try to be kind of tightly focused. But if anybody's interested like I have been pretty clear on my blog and my social media, you know what I believe in what I support and that's important to me to do. So I trust that most of my readers or listeners are smart enough that even if we disagree like our relationship isn't based entirely on our boating or who we support. In fact that that's kind of how I would like to close it out. Let's it's always good to not judge people based on any one experience or belief. Wherever. We can practice empathy it's only going to help us all you know after the election whatever happens in advance of the next one could be listening to this at some point in the future where it's also a divisive time. But especially in the mix of so many other challenging things that we're all going through. Just as citizens or as humans if you're not in the United States your life has affected by all this stuff as well. So empathy is always good but I don't think you have to sit out and not express your views. That's what I think listeners. If you have a question, if you've got a feel free to come to us we'll school dot. com slash questions. It's always great to talk to real world situations We are in this stuff together. Let's figure it out. Let's try to make some progress whatever happens in the coming weeks in mind I look forward to sharing this time with you and I hope you will continue to listen. Thanks so much. My name is Chris Galvao. This is side Hustle School. From the onward project.
Rowdy Crowds, New Years Eve and More
"Hello Love them to another addition of one crazy story. I'm your host made. They'd armbruster for tune in download and all that all that stuff however you're listening. Thanks for being here. I am in grand rapids Michigan just wrapped up a a great weekend at Dr Graham's Comedy Club if you've never been or aren't familiar you should check it out especially if you're in the area Grand rapids is Is a fun fun town on Man. I like it. Good Club I was opening for Laurie. Kilmartin which you don't know is one of the best people ever so you should definitely definitely check out her comedy. Any comedy fan should definitely go check her out. She's got a couple of albums out code in scattering podcast to Jackie. -cation called the Jackie. Laurie show that's also pretty good. I've checked that out. Very funny Both of them are great and Having spent the weekend working with Laurie I'm a huge fan. Now you know. I didn't really know her before I I wasn't familiar with her. Stand up either. But she's legit so funny guys so if you're a comedy fan definitely go check out her stuff. What a weekend can we had though? It was It was intense. We had you know for you know. This is the thing about especially the week between Christmas and New Year's Eve you know we're all in this weird like limbo purgatory situation. Where it's like you know? Are we alive. Is it Friday or Saturday. I I can't remember because I'm full of cheese and alcohol. You know it's it's like it's just it's just a weird we I just. I don't like it. I don't don't I'm so glad I had shows to fill that gap of time because just sitting at home you just. I'd I'm so tired of it. I'm ready to get back to normal. The holidays really threw me office here. I don't know if I think maybe I'm just noticing it more this year. I don't know if it's any more than usual. But AH everybody's acting weird this weekend. As far as crowds go you know we had a bunch of goofs in the crowd and I don't know if it's just maybe it's the venue 'cause it's inside this. It's called called the Bob which stands for big old building and each floor is a different leg bar thing right so the top floors is nightclub that goes all night and it's very loud and obnoxious and but those are the type of people that come to the BOP bright kind of like they're going out you know and so I think some of them maybe go to the show before and then go to the other after united means like all you can do everything in one place so I think you get. Maybe people are drinking more that that that could be a tube may have. We had some weird. I haven't had this many people thrown out in longtime. Maybe this might be the most actually where it's like. Someone was kicked out almost every show Thursday night was oddly the best show and that's not always the case usually Thursdays like it's an off night but whose was packed it was packed and it was the day after Christmas. Maybe people are still feeling You know Feeling whatever happiness from the holiday they have left left and they came out to have a good time and it was awesome. I was like man if the whole weeks like this. We're GONNA kill it. You know what I mean like it's going to be great and then And then of course you know the next night wasn't as hot you know. And that's that's the other thing I was like man. When you're doing five shows a weekend five chances to kill it? You know to do good and when you and you there's usually one bad one week one you know not necessarily absolutely awful all but there's usually one where I'm like I. That's my least favorite one of the week but oddly enough probably my favorite show that we was Thursday night which is weird appeared because is the first night of the week. It's an off night and it's just not normal. There's an open mic before there's dope and Mike there they do the first few comedians after after the MC are open bikers they each. Do Three minutes and You know so then also changes the flow of the show and the vibe of the room you know because they all did pretty good so that was ah to have like really got awful sets. You know that's good. Yeah so Thursday night was blasted. Friday night was just a shit. Show Man I've never seen so many people kicked out of show. We have people getting kicked out up until the end. Do you know what I mean. Like the toward the end of the show. There's like ten minutes left and someone got kicked out. You could make ten more minutes without just shut your mouth you know. And it's just drunk people being dip shits like there's a difference between Lake people blue hackle sometimes think they're helping the show or that's their excuse Os. Just help it out. You know it was funny and you gotTa understand. It was only funny because the comedian handled handled it correctly. You know what I mean that was there is not their job to deal with you but if the situation comes up we gotta deal with it and it's got to be funny so it's on us to make it funny. You're not making it funny at all. You're ruining everyone's night even the people around you. Nobody wants to hear that Shit but people just don't get that sometimes times in man. I had a table my whole set. I was like doing twenty twenty five minutes and there was a table. My whole set just Kinda after everything. They would say something like you know they would they would. It would be like one word but not necessarily mean or angry like it was just more like shut the fuck up. You're just talking too much much. You know what I mean and this was the late show so it was like kind of a smaller audience at least smaller than there for show Friday and they wouldn't shut up my whole set it so you know twenty twenty five minutes so I dealt with it and I got through. It was fine. It was all right and you know I think once or twice to they have like bouncers in the room room and they once or twice they had to be asked to shut up which isn't good if I mean you know if you're an adult and you have to be asked more than once or just to be told hold like hey you're being obnoxious more than once like what the Fuck I've been. I've been hammered guys. I've been absolutely hammered. And if I and I know my were state of mind still if someone came up to me and said hey you're being really annoying in all these other people agree with me me so just please be quiet. That's that's all you have to say. I shut up. I'll probably shot up for a week. Just because I'd be so embarrassed at you know the fact that I can't handle myself myself under the influence of alcohol you know but some people take that as a threat for some reason and they lose their shit. They're like no. I'm GonNa talk more than I'm going to be a dick the whole show you know so so they keep yelling out shit. Whatever I get offstage I get through it and It went fine but it wasn't ideal. You know what I mean like. It wasn't the best set head of my life but it wasn't like I. It's definitely not the worst I've ever had. So that's not you know and I got through it with laughter so that's good Sometimes you just gotTa work with what you've got you know and it mixes it up a bit. You can't phone it in when he got so balls in the room so I got off stage and Garett the MC geared els Inga. Uh gets on stage and he's like. Hey you know in this this is you know this is the the shitty part of the Java them see they got you know they got a reset the room they got a hand. Everybody's been chatting you know there's a there's noise coming from the wedding across the hall. You know there's just there's so many variables Abel's gun you know and it's frustrating and Gary gets out sages guys just WANNA remind you to keep table talk down Yadda Yadda you know keep. Just it's getting loud so let's regroup going to bring up the headliner that kind of thing or this table And I don't really remember the exchange at all but this guy said to gary he said Suck my my Dick and I remember at like he said to gear and Garrett was like. Wow you're just GONNA get kicked out now. I mean you can't just say that somebody can't say it's anybody anybody really. It's not the nicest thing to say. What do you but let alone to the performer? You know he can't do that. And why what makes you think that's okay. You know what I'm saying like especially especially because you're essentially threatening employees. That's like saying that to you. Know Anybody Server anybody so they get kicked out and man they threw a fit. I didn't see it. I'm these are grown around adults. I didn't say it. He said it Mike Dude can leave and the whole thing is like the passes. Were so nice about it to you. Don't have to leave the building. Just leave the comedy club. Go to one of the other bars. You can bring your beer. You don't even have to finish your beer. You can take it with you because we're in the same building it's fine and they're still fighting the slow bickering about it. You you know what I mean like. It's just Adulthood man sometimes. They stink hate kids but now I think I just hated adults because they can drink. Oh and DR SOS. It was a fun weekend last night. Shows were great. Saturday night was pretty awesome Great sets by everybody. We had a good time time. Oh I forgot I totally forgot so while all this was happening right Laura gets on stage after the whole kicking out of the debacle right And and over the course of her set a few other people were kicked out and they all the way up to like the last few minutes of her set which is nuts to me. Because it's like dude you almost made it through the whole show you know and you were talking too much. We probably should have kicked you out. There's five minutes left calm down and they keep they keep going so they finally kicked those guys out too and it's frustrating began stage and someone saying suck my Dick like this just the. It's just rude there. There's a way it's supposed to go. And when someone ruins it it can be frustrating so Garrett was understandably pretty angry at this guy for just saying that when all he was saying and he wasn't even talking to him it was just guys gotta keep it down just talking too much. It's all good we're having. We're having a nice time. You know it was five so Gary Garrison in the green room just kind of venting about it right and the conversation dissipates. And we're just sitting there and then One of the other bouncers comes in and he goes yeah. Yeah I can't believe what's going on tonight. A bunch of Weirdos in the room tonight you know it's like we're all just talking about how we what a weird batch of people we have at the show tonight and he goes Oh and also Someone in the back of the room was getting a hand. Job during nate. Set what someone got a hand job during my set Friday. Yeah Friday night late show someone skin hand job. I don't I don't during my set so I guess I guess my jokes get people going. You know I kinda take that as a compliment because it's not like hey do you want to go home and have sex no. Let's just do it here because this guy delirious I used to think it was a high compliment if once you get off stage twenty people have to go to the bathroom because that means they held it until you're done because they were enjoying your set at I always thought of it that way. I mean maybe it's also because people don't WANNA stand out. That could very much be a two. They could be like this guy sucks. I have to appea- but I don't WANNA get up. Because I want people to see me that's also a fair point but I always looked at it like if so many if this many people held hold their p just for me. I took that as hey. This guy's great he's doing great and Maybe not he's just doing great right now but when people are holding their hand like they're they way to go home to get a hand up. You know what I mean like. They're like no this guy's great. I I want to give you an JAP. The how did that go down like how did that conversation happened. Like honey could give you an jet. He's like what this great. We're we're having a nice time. She's well we could just do here. Is like you know what. That's what used to watch the show but I it's just so weird to me you know it's not even like the public The sexual activity. That's not the weirdest thing to me. But the fact that they're you know what I mean movie theater. Nobody sees the because there's no oh chance of the it's it's a little more discreet but I'm like you guys are just basically at a bar with entertainment like it's just you're so it's so obvious yes and I was like what did you do did you. They didn't kick him out either. And I think it's a confrontation. Because how do you go up to somebody. When someone's Dixon their hand and you gotta go guys can you? You cannot like what do you say you know. We're dealing with this other table. I mean you guys are fine but his Dixon your hand you know. Like what do you say so the Basel Meltzer's they just went like they know that I saw it and so of course they stopped but Jesus Christ man what the fuck is up. What is with with people this weekend? It's the last week of the decade guys New Year's eves coming up and That's wild it's A. It's the end of a decade and I don't really care everyone keeps talking abodes Yet every years the end of a decade. If you go back ten years like I understand. We're talking twenty ten to twenty twenty but next year the end of a decade twenty eleven to twenty twenty one. No one gives a shit about that decade. What if that's the bet like? What is the first year of this decade was shit? I'm not counting this this decade until twenty eleven so my decades almost over next year is the end of a decade for me but I I like new years because it gives you you a chance to reflect and look look back on some the look back on your life in in many ways but I don't give a shit about New Year's man. It's just a weird I I don't I don't know why would do it. I I mean I it. I don't like to go. I don't go out I if I'm not doing a show on New Year's I don't go. I'm either doing doing a show where I'm at home because who gives a shit about New Year's buys a fun for people because because it's like Chris Chris I just saw everybody. I needed to see like we did Thanksgiving Christmas. I saw everybody and it was a good Christmas. A good thanksgiving. I'm not going to ruin it with an awkward Awkward New Year's Eve party that I don't know anybody at New Year's Eve has never been fun. It's always like oh great. Now we have to be up 'til midnight. I can't leave yet because I just. It's just it's not fun for me. That's why I like doing a show sometimes too sometimes a New Year's Eve you can just do one show. It's like eight o'clock and you're fucking home for ten. You know what I mean. That's that's ideal but sometimes you do. Two shows are a late show that leads up to the ball drop midnight. And that's just lame it's annoying saying but it's part of the part of life I guess so you know I'll be in Champagne Illinois New Year's Eve telling jokes so I'll be working. I'd rather work than you know. Good people go to Times Square. GotTa be nuts. Ten squared not during the Not during New Year's is chaos but multiply that by ten million. You know what I mean. That's fucking nuts. People are crazy crazy man but whenever you into a New Year's Eve I hope it's a great one. I hope you guys have had a great decade a great year while we're at it and I hope in the New Year you'll continue. Can you listening to this podcast. Because I appreciate listening and I hope to see show soon if you want to find out where I'm at you can always find me online. Everything had do is at make comedy instagram in twitter facebook and also rate and review subscribed everywhere apple. PODCAST spotify I heart Radio Pandora now Everywhere everywhere anywhere you can listen to this planning on having some new interview episodes coming in here so that's also fun working on some other shit so I hope you have a good one and I'll talk to you next week mean.
Car Rentals and Canceled Gigs
"Lowell welcome to another edition of one crazy story. I'm your host Nate Armbruster in this is my podcast. Thanks for returning. Thanks for joining me. However you're finding this I appreciate you being here pope doing well? You know. Sorry it's been so long I got crazy busy and Life happens so now. I'm back attempting a new episode From my my new apartment yes one big thing that's happened. In part of the reason I kinda stopped doing this for a little bit was because of the move and everything but he has moved into a new apartment apartment. more on that and another episode but But I'm just kinda get back into this so this is this is it. It may sound a little different. Actually I I found a little a different type of setup you know a new place means that I gotta find a new place to record and this is just now from live from the bedroom yes I have upgraded from my previous recording location. My last apartment. I had a set up in the closet but this new place. He's actually Doesn't really have a situation like that. We the we have a very small claws and it is full so no room for a microphone but but And now I'm just in the bedroom. There you go live from the bedroom I upgraded In I've improved my recording space base. Again I don't know I don't think it sounds too bad. We're in kind of a little off the street so I don't think any nearby or passer buyers Passer buyers with the fuck. What am I saying But I don't think anybody I don't think the microphone will pick up any street noise always or anything going on outside. At least I hope not want to create a good listening experience for you. I guess it's a this. Is it so this is it. We recording reading yes. Good okay kidding. There's nobody here. It's just me dude alone in his bedroom recording a podcast. Good God I need some friends. she love that though when like people were recording and they leave that shit in. I hate that I hate that so much. They do it in rap rap music to sometimes like turn. Turn my headphones up. It's like dude. You're recording okay. I mean like there's a lot of money behind behind the production of this and you're GonNa Waste. You're telling me you don't know you don't have the headphones set. I'm a I'm just a podcast or in my headphones sound great. Everything sounds great. So what's new. What's new with me? I just got back from Grand Rapids Michigan where I got to open up for the one of the funniest people I know Ryan Hamilton. Yes he's he's great super funny. Comedian great comedian. Great Dude I've had the Opportunity to open for him a few times this year on this current tour. He's doing and it's it's been a lot of fun. It's really cool experience. It's a big room. He's playing a lot of Like theaters and stuff. So I've gotten to play some bigger rooms. Thanks to him and it's been a lot of fun a different experience and I've been enjoying it grand grand rapids on Friday was the last The last one I did with them And it was a blast. I I currently drive a ninety seven Mazda. Mazda pick-up writes like a Ford Ranger. Think of tiny. You know pickup truck you know but it's the ninety seven so it's very dangerous and I probably shouldn't be driving it especially the distances. I've been driving it like I live in Chicago so it's perfect around the city. You know somebody somebody you just. I don't care if somebody can hit it it's fine if it gets towed. I'm like keep it. It's not a big deal you know. I don't want a car payment. I'm not paying ensure you know hi insurance on this thing I don't want you know I don't I don't need it but and I'm on the road a lot and this thing is just it's got me point to point B. and it is a lifesaver. Although last winter I spun out horrible snowstor- and this thing this car weighs like one hundred pounds. It's it's it's shouldn't be driven in in the snow. Considering how old it is rear wheel drive if I hit any ice. I'm I'm gone right like I am just done and I had a horrible experience Some some it wasn't even black ice. It was his ice every we knew it was there you know this. Is Everybody's trying to drive safe as you can. And I ended up spinning out and it was it was it was terrifying right. I've never fortunately I've never been in a real bad car accident right so this was a new experience for me and nothing. That bad really happened. I mean I I ended up in a snowbank and I had to get towed out it cost me more than I was Gonna get paid that night for the show and I. It didn't make it to the show so I just lost that money. You know it was just a stupid experience. Legal good so frustrating but ever ever. Since then I've been kind of terrified to drive this truck especially in any inclement weather right inclement weather big word. Thank you never said that. And I've never we're used it Correctly at least you know. I've never looked this. Everybody we're learning. I'm expanding my vocabulary. Live on the guest Thanks for listening So ever since then I've driven so much in my life like I've I've put in. I wish I kept track of every mile or the amount of hours I've driven or spent driving a car. Because it's it's gotta be higher than it's like a trucker lifestyle driving for stand up and stuff you just. You spent so much time in the car and I pride myself on being a good driver. I'm pretty safe driver. I get. I've I think that's why I've had good luck. Not Getting it an the accident but this truck has changed everything right So now for the first time in my life I'm scared to drive or a little more nervous right lake out. Think twice about taking ended out. If I have to go somewhere. You know things like that and now that the weather's getting kind of questionable I I just think twice about using it and sometimes though for like a show like I had with Ryan in grand rapids on Friday. That's all I had scheduled for the weekend right. I just had this Friday night Saturday off and like an an hour before. I'm going to leave for the show. another club called. They needed somebody last minute for Saturday. Only and I was like well absolutely. I got this right So I'm excited right double my money. I have work Friday and Saturday in. It's it's everything's looking good right can be gray weekend. A couple of great shows couple of Great Comics and Gamma Gone Right. A mall excited I'm ready to go and But the distance from Gig to Gig was far enough for me to go. You know I just. I don't know what it's going to be like on Sunday weather wise. I don't know I I didn't WanNa push my luck and end up having to drive the truck five hours in in snow and just be terrified. Just wanted to have A. I just wanted to relax. You know. Just a pretty anxious about driving his truck and bad weather so I just you know for peace of mind. I was like you know what I'm doing. I'm having a good weekend. This is going to be good. Oh I can rent a car I can get away car for two nights right just two nights. It's all I need it for. So that's exactly what I do. I get online. I rent the car I go go and as soon as I get to grand rapids. I when I say I got I got off the freeway and my phone goes off and it's a text message from the next show. They're like we don't need you anymore. Sorry mix up whatever and which is fine. Not a big deal right. I booked at three hours ago. So it's again. It's fine but also I fucking rented this car for two nights or whatever and now I gotta figure out. Yeah just it was just annoying Ryan gotta and luckily I only got. I only paid for the day. Obviously which makes the most sense. But you know I can totally see showing up now now you you got to pay for all three days this was reserved for you know what I mean like. I just know in my life that would happen so but luckily that wasn't the case so so now going to return the car and it was just a waste. Tied could have driven the truck because it was just to grand rapids and backup wouldn't a big deal Sonam all whatever right and he just can't just can't escape the anxiety. It's it's so funny like Ed as soon as something happens. It's like Oh hey worry about this. We're about this and he. It's easy to find show to worry about anybody can right we all we all have. Should we worry about but like it's so easy when it's just when it was just a little thing like that where it's like of course. Course you're going to have to pay for day. Were days worth of rental car right because he rented it for three days. But you only use one like why would they charge you more. You know like it makes the most ended but the whole just the whole drive back on my God damn it. I made my life much harder when I thought it was is going to make it easier. And it's just I'm an idiot. You know you just feel like a moron but it was for. I mean it was fine it was actually a really but the nice thing is I still had a pleasant drive brand brand new car basically. That's what this one thing I like. I actually renting cars like the most ideal thing I think when it comes to travel league. It's perfect because it's safer than my cards better more reliable better gas mileage for sure and I was like this is just. This is the way to do it. You know it's like it's so much and it's not flying you don't have to deal with anybody and it's just and I got a brand new car only at three hundred miles on it when I got it so you know it hasn't been messed with you know l.. Nobody you know what I mean like unless somebody did something in the first like wrench I two rannells or whatever but I was like this is one of the first people drive this thing and I'm cruising. I felt great right. You just knew you were in a brand new car and some but that new car smell man. Oh another thing. The hotel that I stayed at right I pull into the parking structure. Sure and I actually stayed at this hotel before I knew where to go. What do but I pulled into the wrong garage the wrong parking garage and house again but at first I like I think this is the wrong garage so I asked? I'm trying to check in. They can't find my reservation Weird mix up so I ended up doing the show. I then checking in worked worked out. Fine we've got to figure it out but I get as I'm checking in. What about parking twenty four bucks for the night is what the sign said and I parked in the other Marriott's? There's two Mary's right next to each other. It's fucking stupid. It's just so so annoy one's a J W Marriott the courtyard Marriott. They're both Marriott's was the difference. There can't be that much of a difference toilet to bets right. That's that's why every hotel room is unless you're in a unless you're in some crazy sweet right. I can't believe there is any difference. Especially between Marriott's you know so. This front desk person is calling the other Marriott's maybe they got your reservations. Maybe about the wrong hotel toenails again. It could be you know whatever so. She's calling everybody and no luck. No luck and I say well I think I actually parked in J W Marriott Garage Anyway How can I fix that? She's I don't know you have to talk to them about you. Know Pay. Maybe we're just leave it there. Whatever and I it got after the show went out Alton got too late whereas fuck it? I'll just leave the car there and I don't. I don't even know the price because I didn't go into the J. W. Marriott right. I no and I didn't talk to them about it. And what were they going to do. Let me out for free. I mean May- maybe. I've probably should've asked now that I think about but yeah I just pull up to the thing right you put your ticket in and it just POPs up on the screen forty eight dollars for not even twenty four hours mind you this was. Oh I got maybe six in the afternoon checked out at like eleven. The next day maybe even earlier knows earlier than less than twenty four hours of Cosby. Forty eight dollars to the fucking garage. Oh so angry. Just the Nice Cherry on top before I even knew I could return the car without paying for all three days or whatever so that's a little glimpse into my world and the thing is it's all my fault and it's also none of it's a big deal but it's just I just let it ruin. Every little in his is such a good in such a good weekend right. I had a great show with a great comedian. You can't ask for a better night right. There was so much fun and And here I am worrying about my my rental car. That's life for your kids. She's but this is This is me made it back I had fun conversation with the rental car guy though he was cool. And this is what I like. I I'll I'll say I'll admit is if there's somebody disputing Alameda gala mid it but I pride myself on being a good customer like when I go somewhere I enjoy that customer service interaction where I'm the customer. It's always fun because you kinda dictate it right you can dictate the energy a little bit like you can walk in to a McDonalds donalds or someplace where you know. That person probably hates their job. And if they don't it's a bonus if they actually love working at like McDonald's or something because some people really I love it and they take pride in it and that's beautiful thing And it's contagious. And I appreciate those people but you can walk into a place and just be the nice person and real and you can just kick it off where it's like okay. We're GONNA have a great conversation while I order my shit and so I kind of look forward a word to being that person's favorite customer the days sort of thing so I show up at this and I was in a good mood right because I'm looking forward to show. I'm go great weekend and this before the other show got cancelled before I got cancelled auto show and I'm looking forward to this weekend's I walk up to this desk ask guys great. He's busy so I'm just letting them work. I'm not like shooting the shade or anything and then I go to ask them about the insurance as I'm getting in the car because he asked if I wanted the enterprise prize insurance right which everybody says rip off If you have insurance you're apparently covered but I have garbage insurance because I have a garbage truck so I don't think I'm covered and like I said pretty anxious dude weather might be sketchy. I don't know what to do ten bucks. Dan Expedia was the price for the insurance. And there's nothing right it's like ten twenty bucks. Sure I'll do that just for peace of mind because looking forward to the weekend this guy goes. Well you could buy enterprise to and I go. What's cheaper Bert and he goes definitely expedients? That's all he said he goes I. It's don't go with ours and I was like sweet which I appreciate that in an employee when he's just honest with you don't what do it don't worry you're fine also go. So what is the deal with the insurance thing. Can I drive without paying for it. Might just get a scam or egos while yet. Check your policy right. He's explaining planning all this shit to me and neither of us have any clue about how insurance works. It got to the point where he was like. Check your policy go to your thing and go to your insurance agent and talk about it and I said the same thing should I do that and it was so funny how we both just kind of acknowledged that neither of us have any clue what we're talking about and swearing as a customer benign in an aggressive way but like swearing in front of an employee is always fun. I was like I'm talking to you like I have a fucking clue about insurance and I have no idea and I and I'm I'm knocking to have this conversation and walk away knowing anything you know what I mean like. We're having this conversation and I'm not retaining anything you're saying I'm just I'm just pretending attending like I know what you're talking about and he kind of laughed and he goes he goes to he goes. I just bought insurance for an engagement ring for my fiance and so I said does it cover breakup and the guy didn't laugh. You didn't let he kinda looked nervously was like no. She's just loses stuff a lot an now. We're good though and it's like it's now I'm talking about this guy's relationship but we had a huge laugh and I got my car and I left also fun little trick. Apparently the last driver of the the last renter of the car that I had the Nissan Altima that I drove I thought it would be funny to leave the radio on full blast And then I realized that probably wasn't that I probably person that cleaned and parked the car or something. So that was my weekend folks I'm going to really try and do this consistently. I'm thinking about patriotic. If anybody knows anything about Patriot or would actually Salihi contribute. And don't worry if I if I do that. That's one thing that I would take very very seriously and And I wouldn't miss posting anything on there but I'm thinking about Patriots so if anybody's actually interested in that semi one crazy story Djamil Dot com Let me know your thoughts if that's something you'd actually Contribute to if not as I do I I don't care might just do it anyway and just see and put it out there and see how it goes anyway. Thanks guys for listening once again. Find me on twitter instagram. All that good stuff at comedy at one crazy story also huge shot up to Ryan Hamilton. Thanks for having me open for you last weekend. Had A blast Ryan guys go watch netflix special. Happy Face Funny Guy. Great Dude and He's also on all social thaddeus. Well on these touring right now so maybe go go see your show. He's Hilarious And if you've enjoyed anything I've said to you ever Keep in touch subscribe. 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More March Madness
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That's friends without the our best feeds. Check it out today. Houses new episode of yours going. Okay Okay you said on Wednesday. There'd be a brand new episode today. So what's going to happen? Today's up so Jonathan are bebop just curious Jonathan. I'm just curious. I'm curious robot to learn these things. What's going to happen in today's exciting? The soda the Caspian. Okay all right well as you know. A lot of kids have been staying home from school this week. And so what happens on this episode? John is it They're going to play some game and so I may have over promised on Wednesday because I didn't realize that my time would be okay. Alright BEBOP beavers right today. We're not having a new episode of the Caspian because we had our intern at home yesterday. And it's very hard to record an episode and we don't have absolute quiet in the house and when we need to take care of our family and everything but I do want to say that I hope everyone out there across the world whether you're going to school or staying home that you're feeling good right now in feeling healthy so this episode here is to let you know that we're working on the next episode and probably working evenings while the kids are home that sort of thing but instead of doing the new episode. Today we're going to further refine our march madness bracket we've got a lot of suggestions from listeners about what books we should include in our march madness bracket and I wanted to give more kids an opportunity to write in what books they WANNA see compete in our march book madness so we got a recommendation from our friend. Jen for the mysterious Benedict Society by Trenton Lee Stewart. I don't know that book but it looks really great and I think I might try to get out of the library. We got another recommendation for Martin. Blake for Fable Haven Brandon. Mall looks pretty good too. I haven't read that one either so I'm really excited to be able to some of these books that I haven't read before L. Louise Infineon. Who are ten eight centers some really great recommendations spy school by Stewart Gibbs great and of course a series of unfortunate events by lemony snick? It those books are amazing and of course very popular so those are great recommendations. We also got Ben who's ten who recommended the warriors series. Nick who seven. Who recommended dog man? Fetch twenty two all right so this is controversial. Nick who seven fetch twenty two over the other dog man books such as a tale of two kitties. All right but we'll we'll put fetch twenty two in the bracket we'll see how it does a wise choice. I think and their mom recommended a wrinkle in time. Which as you all know is one of my all time favorite books. Julia from San Luis Obispo California suggested Charlotte's web by E B white a classic book and. I'm very impressed with Julia for recommending that Book Lucas. Who's nine from Bristol in the UK? Suggested Charlie and the chocolate factory by ru all talk another classic Children's Book and One of my all time favorites so we'll definitely include that in the bracket and then of course we had Martin who's eleven from Grand Rapids Michigan Luna who's eight from Beaumont Texas and Louise Angela in my off from Nebraska all suggested the Harry Potter series which you couldn't do this March madness bracket without the Harry Potter series. So thank you all so much for your recommendations more recommendations send them in. March is the subject line. We're going to be putting this up pretty soon. subscribe to our newsletter. We'll be emailing the bracket out so you can vote and we'll have it in the show notes when we put the bracket together for you guys to vote and then we'll be back next week on a regular schedule with the next episode. I promise you that I promise you now that we know what the situation is here. That the episode. We'll come out and we'll be on Wednesday. Okay all right. I think that's a fake laugh at this point. Oh now Jonathan. I love to laugh all right. Everybody will thank you so much for bearing with us and like I said I hope everyone is staying healthy and having fun whether you're going to school or staying at home send us those recommendations and we will see you next week being best robot ever DOT com.
AP One Minute Headlines Mar 29 2019 10:00 (EDT)
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AP One Minute Headlines Mar 29 2019 09:00 (EDT)
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AP One Minute Headlines Mar 29 2019 08:00 (EDT)
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UAW Strike Against General Motors Enters Its 4th Week
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The Barrett Brief Everyone Thinks The Media Hates Them, Because It Does
"Pew, research asked this question. And the question was among us. Adults who say news organizations do not understand people like them. What percentage the percentage of who say blank? which is what we'll talk about? Is, what news organizations misunderstand about them, the most isn't in its whites, blacks and Hispanics. Fifty nine percent. Of Americans think the news organizations do not understand people like them. They don't they hate you. Which is why I need to support the Crusade Janelle? I'M GONNA. Tell you the absolute or they're gonNA. Break Down Oh. Let's be nuts, 'cause they hate you. They've gone to their fancy little colleges. and. I have a master's degree in homeland, security, so. All its electoral honesty on the table. But when they go to their fancy little colleges, and they go in there journalism program. They're indoctrinated that they are better than you. They are the key to a free democracy. They are the gatekeepers without them. We would all be I don't know. Running around in loincloths. Hunting and gathering chasing after deer. But because of the news media, we are civilized people. I'll get into that in a moment. But. We have. This pretty I. Think it's pretty astounding, and it's across the board. Yeah, there's different reasons why. Blacks, Hispanics and whites news medium understand. That's because the media. The legacy media picks out these traits. And they pick out these traits. And they make it. The stereotype that race. Right they make it this type of their race, and that's what they go with, and we'll talk about that in a moment. And talk about our friends a McClure. Tables right now at MCC L. U. R. E. TABLES DOT COM. They have in stock ready to ship tables. Now you can also choose to get a custom hand crafted shuffleboard table. Either way a free shipping, nationwide delivery and setup you can choose between the arts and crafts, series, traditional series, vintage, series and more. 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Among us, adults who say they news organizations do not understand people like them. which is fifty nine percent. The percentage. Of People. Who say that this personal trait is what organizations misunderstand about most of them. Remember as I, just said. You're journalists who are working at these media. Organizations are being. You know dispensed. From, colleges. And as we all know I, don't know if you saw the video out there. We have the GUY A to bare chested, yelling at the NYPD about how they're not college educated. Right the idea that these people running around. In fantasy land. That's what it is. College is a fantasy land. That's exactly what we have to look at it. As it's a socialist utopia I, E it's fake. Right one of my favorite memes back when we used to have college graduations was a stock photo of a couple You know a white girl, the light skinned black girl. I guess you would say an an a woman that would look Mexican. Avenue the diversity tree. And the me say congratulations on graduating from the four easiest years of your life. I look back at it now. My wife's a different story. My wife is. She has an industrial engineering bachelors. So. She actually did like real work. I got a a a bachelors in arts. In history, so I barely had barely went to college. I barely showed up but my wife actually did real real stuff. I'm assuming journalism is a lot like my. Bachelor's I e. You show up and you talk about some stuff, and you read a book, and you do all these other things blah blah blah. And that was. I'm telling you now. That college in the last ten years. Is Not real. It's becoming more and more of an outlier in society. The people who go to school versus people who don't has never been at least the the cultural gap will say it. I'll use that word even I don't really believe it. The cultural gap or people who think they're more cultured by going to school. And the way they would look down and do look down. would be they. They've never been wider. And, so they come out of these. Fantasy factories. Where everything's theory! I always tell people I always used to tell new teachers as well. Unlike all the theory you were taught was great until your first class. Because they don't talk about real life? They talk about theoretical situations they look at. Think tank pieces. They read case studies, and then they sit around and talk about these case studies. And they talk about these, and they talk about that and everything always works out perfectly. Everything. Works out perfectly. We are going to save that step by the way breaking news, I'll come I'll talk about it. In a moment. The number of firearms background checks for the month of June. Folks your your jaw is going to drop. Which makes me super, happy. Stays drafter get clapped folks. So. Journalists come out of their fantasy factories where everything's perfect everybody says what they need to say. Well! Let me ask you, Justin. How long ago did you go to journalism school? Twenty seventeen now, wow! Thanks, buddy for shoot my entire my entire theory out of the air, but while I. Set myself up for that one deny. Anyway I'm going to keep going with though because what I have. Most! Most! Are Fantasy factories. Because if you look at the way, these people report. It's all fantasy. It's all stereotyped. Unless you went to Justin School. Totally totally shut my entire theory out of the Air Dietsch, meet ASS next time. But let's look at Pew Research Center. While most Americans. Say That news media does not understand that Black Hispanic white Americans often cite different reasons for why they're misunderstood. Fifty nine percent of Americans think the news organizations do not understand them because they don't. Because they just don't. They think they're in a different class. Then you are. They? Think they're better than you. There from Globo Gym man. Our better than you and we know it. As they sit in their. Open office. scrolling through twitter all day. Looking for stories. And then using source articles and calling it a day. let's get back down now while no reason dominates coming to this article from Jared Jeffrey, Gottfried and Michael Bartha at fact tank. Well. No reason is no one reason dominates when looking at all Americans sizable gap exists between racial and ethnic groups in why they feel misunderstood. Let me throw in something else. The death of local media. As everything has been concentrated at a higher level. III CABLE CNN MSNBC Fox. and. The local channels have been bought out by conglomerates and information is fed down to them. They're not really local journalists. It's just. It's pretty much. Local news is the minor leagues now. You go there. You spend some time unless you're from the area, and that's what you WANNA do. You want to stay in that town, right? Because there's always one or two people that are in your local news that are from the area, and they're married and they. They want to stay there. Now that's you. You're just popping from Dallas to Phoenix to Seattle to a small town in Iowa than to Chicago in the hopes that you're going to get into cable news right. into the big boys into the big time. The local news is nothing more than a farm league.
"Fifteen boy he didn't act like a fifteen year. Old Boy said that they were friends but nothing had happened. The text messages are the truth. She was thirty-three-year-old. He was her fifteen year old student. There's enough but after his mom found this on his phone police knew this was no innocent teenage crush. He said that they had sex on several different occasions relationship. Horrible crime to be accused of but she insisted he wasn't the victim she was. I was petrified petrified. She says he forced himself on her. Did you ever have consensual sex? Never prosecutor said she was lying. She was insulted that you didn't believe believer. I was insulted that she thought someone would a tudor and her pupil breaking all the rules. But who was telling the truth. We both were doing this wrong. He owned me. I never have had as much evidence against someone as I head in this case. I'm Lester Holt. And this is dateline. Here's Keith Morrison with dangerous liaisons to we're in cohost attorney didn't have to end here. Keep stating things that he has no evidence for as though it's fat war you've got the say that it was the theater of the absurd detective upset. I thought it was disgusting. I thought it was just really horrible. The way they drag that family through the mud to be a sobbing witness to be honest here and so disrespectful even a judge getting totally out of control visibly on edge and beginning the lose a little bit victim bashing didn't have this turn into a battle royal played out in Public Court for all the world is emotions can be high. Didn't go that way at all or and this way we the jury in Count One. That's all hindsight where a person begins stories twisted and strange as this one can see Marvin jury. Perhaps but this case to us it made sense to begin on a Friday morning in April. Two thousand thirteen in the city of grand rapids Michigan whether phone rang of the disc of detective Amy Lowery. It was a call from attorney. Who reported that a mother of a high school sophomore had seen something that couldn't be unseen? The voice mother had suspected something and had taken his phone and Was Broken had the information transfer to another phone To view what was on his phone and what was on it well. The flood of Texan photos. You'd expect to see on any teenagers for this. It was grainy but unmistakable a scantily clad woman a one clearly much older than the boy the photo along with the accompanying text messages longing. Urgent breathless left no doubt whatsoever and the mind the detective immediately. It was evident that there there was a romantic relationship. Going on one hundred. Give you that from a legal and ethical and moral point of view. Well obviously I need to be investigated. Detective Lowrey was experienced in matters like the one before her. Now she's the grand rapids police. Detective but for nearly a decade has been assigned to the Children's assessment center as one of five full-time investigators working on cases involving the sexual abuse of children. Five people fulltime in a town ground rap. Is it tells you something. Doesn't it cracked? Do you find that dispiriting. Very I mean it's I think most people would find it dispiriting the amount of cases that we have to investigate of this nature this one needed to be investigated not only because what the detective saw the phone. No it was more than that. The lawyer who called the detective worked for the Catholic diocese in grand rapids and told her. The young man in question was a student and Star athlete here at Grand Rapids Catholic Central High School. The woman worked here. She wasn't just any school employee. She was the students. School appointed tutor. She has a person of authority is obviously inappropriate relationship. I knew that she was in her thirty. S and that he was only fifteen years old so regardless it wasn't illegal relationship over two boy's parents had. They questioned their son now. The mother Hen questioner son at all I think she was unsure how to bring it up. She knew that he would most likely be angry about it. She wanted somebody to put a stop to absolutely don't ask. The detective went to Catholic Central High School and after meeting with the administrators. Pull the young band then a sophomore out of class middle of the afternoon. What did he tell you? Initially he denied that there was any any relationship taking place no. He said that they were friends but that nothing had happened new. That wasn't so right. Send a text messages. Could you explain that to him? I did I read some of the text messages. And that's when he admitted that there was a sexual relationship it often goes that way with a teenager said detective lowering as any parent one but understand stages of denial which in this case over a series of interviews finally gave way to what the boys seemed to see as the crux of the matter. He thought that they should be allowed to have the relationship. You know because he was mature enough and they love each other and should be together. It's very common that they don't see themselves as a victim in this is kind of strange. Doesn't it yes now? It was time for the detective to talk to the Tudor at the center of the case. One of photo in the Cell Phone Abigail Simon. One of the many things detective wanted to know was who made the first move when we return the tale of the tape. But what was true. And what wasn't of I fakty only I? Coexist cloud darkened the joy of spring in Grand Rapids Michigan. That April of two thousand thirteen. The mother of a sophomore at one of the city's most prestigious high schools Catholic central had found this photo on a cell phone. Her son had been using good. Just let it go. He was fifteen. The woman was his tutor and so before long. Detective Amy Lowry was assigned to figure out what was going on the fact that the adult was female. The child male didn't really make any difference to her. I think there's a double standard in society. Where they've you females In this situation as victims but I think a Lotta society just doesn't feel the same way about boys. There are consequences to this type of relationship. You know even with voice but remember that series of interviews in shifting stories from the moines. The detective got him to admit. There was something between them and affair. Consummated in the tudors gleaming high-rise Condo. The boy announced that it was he who started not her that it wasn't her fault. So what would the tutor? Abigail sign say but that we need to talk about and when Simon hurt that text messages were question. She knew what it was there. That pupil of Hers About Office. Yeah I but when the subject turned to the specifics of their relationship which the detective Douglas plainly outlined in those racy. Dexin photo a surprise. Baby Girl U-haul Ladyboy. No I hear so much for him idealized or him. I don't I don't even know what they lot. It who initiated I. I actually had no I had a. I know you have that. He only that and I could read the text messages. That is not a question whether you had had section I. I WanNa know who initiated this. Who who has to do why activists I I don't know what your then her response was. Well I don't know what what your definition of sexes most business. I agree with that. Yeah did she. Did she tell you what her definition was? Now Anna the interview. That was it cracked. Detective confiscated average iphone later. That very day the DASA grand rapids fired her from her job as a tutor. Also she was by police. Order told not to have any contact whatsoever with the young man. Protective lowry continued her investigation and before long was approached by other people at the school saying they had concerns about Simon for a while. Some of the teachers felt her behavior was inappropriate around other students so then detective. Lowrey shot out those other students and heard something else. We have happened something with another young man. There's another boy who said there was an incident in the library where they were talking. They were flirting which they had on for some time and he kissed her did she tell them to stop. Go Away this appropriate. He described it as a short kiss and he said that you know that can't happen. And she says no. It can't and that was the end of the story. Investigators dug deeper another detective. Joined THE CASE DAVE. Gillam called in for his uncanny ability to plummet cellphone for almost anything. It's ever done on Abbey Simon's I've phone. That was not an easy thing to do. She had raced Most of the text messages between her and the victim and I was able to recover so many of them. We don't know how many but we did recover. Thousands and thousands of thousands of text messages this material that had been erased Mitchell. She chose to raise correct. What does that imply to you? She was hiding it. She knew that it was not something that she would want people to see and so she deleted the Sun Soon said on another school year. Abby moved back to her parents plays a two hour drive from grand rapids. Summer came and then the detective discovered that her. No contact order wasn't enough to keep abby assignment away from her teenage lover. She tweeted him and gave him the information on how to contact her because I had her phone so he couldn't call her anymore or texture anymore. she had changed phone numbers But somehow he was able to E mail her and call her at least once they managed to meet in person in fact he was very upset at being totally consider again right. Yes he was enough. In fact he created a new email account Jose Diaz twenty-seven the photos and declarations of everlasting. Love flew between them at the speed of infatuation then in early August some three months after the relationship came to light Abigail. Simon drove from her Parents House to the gym and there was the police car. This was your mugshot. She was charged with several counts of criminal sexual conduct and accosting a minor for immoral purposes. But she soon made bail grass three and as the case against her was being prepared back in grand rapids. She sat down with us to say that everything we've been told about this so called teacher child. Love story was altogether wrong. I read the police report to and when I read it I was like. Oh yeah she is guilty and none of those things were truth. This was no love. Story said Abigail Simon. Oh like a nightmare coming up after school behind closed. Doors fifteen boy. He didn't act like a fifteen. Here's a monster. When dateline continues on Josh Mankiewicz from Dateline with a question for true crime fans how do you catch a killer? Whose MOTIVE IS SIMPLY UNIMAGINABLE. We've got the answer in a new podcast. Called motive for murder from the production team behind. The thing about Pam comes a fascinating look inside the twisted mind of a killer as the secrets that linked to brutal crimes are finally uncovered search for datelines motive for murder subscribe. Wherever you're listening right now. I'm sure mainly host of into America. A podcast from NBC News and MSNBC. Join me as we go into the numbers. Eight percent of her patients have insurance right now into the choices. I have to plan a funeral in the age of the grown-ups. How is this going to work? And into away through the importance of music is to keep our spirits up into America. A podcast about everyday people and the power politics policy and a pandemic have in shaping. Our lives new episodes every Monday and Thursday. This was not the sort of place people are often the rest throughout among the fine big homes and expansive lawns of Grand Lake Michigan. Where Abigail Simon grew up. Her father is accessible attorney. Both parents graduates of Notre Dame but this is where she was pulled over arrested and charged with criminal sexual conduct for having a relationship with her then fifteen year old Catholic central high school pupil and where in November two thousand fourteen and she sat down with us in the family living room. How does it feel be you right now? Well today. It's scary because this is the first time I'm sharing this with anyone other than my therapist and my lawyers my parents. I feel empowered to do it. Finally been holding onto it for so long to what exactly Abbey. Simon told us that everything you've heard about. Her relationship with a young man is a lie perpetuated by his family and overzealous detectives. It's hard because the way it's being portrayed in my story that's already been told by them is so not the person I am. Maybe story after obtaining a master's degree in academic advising she moved to grand rapids and was offered a position in that very specialty by the Catholic diocese but soon she said she wasn't so much advising as tutoring athletes at two Catholic high schools. One of them was that boy who she said was struggling with a one point. Seven grade point average and so. She helped him as much as she could often late into the evenings as she said she did with all her students. Then's at Abbey. It was January. Two thousand thirteen and the incident occurred the thing that started it. All it happened. She said at the end of a group study session. Everyone left and then he was so angry that I didn't give him any attention. I wasn't helping him and I didn't care about him and I was like that's a slap in the face to me because I've done everything for you. And he slapped my face and said no. That's a slap in the face to face. No that's a slap in the face. Fifteen years old. You can get kicked out of school for that. But I didn't want to. He was the scariest person ally the scariest. Person Alive Abbey. Simon was telling us something she had never told. Detectives investigating this case nor even friends or family. At the time she said it was going on the appropriate response would have been immediate and it would be over. I mean he'd have to atone. Somehow you were the one in charge. Did you not feel as if you could do that? Why he didn't care if he got in trouble he shut me down. And after Abby said she became terrified of the big athletic young man already over six feet and nearing two hundred pounds though he was just fifteen. Why so frightened of a teenage boy? Well she said part of the reason was she had been a victim of domestic violence before back in two thousand seven when she was working retail store in Chicago and had a boyfriend and she claimed was abusive. I went into his apartment and I said this isn't going to work. And that's when he lost his mind on me and slammed me to the ground to remember what you felt like I it was gonNA die. He told me to take my last breath that he was gonNA kill me. I was just so I'm like this is how many die I mean? I thought he was going to snap my neck. That's what it felt like. He was trying to do Abbey said she ran for life then her father. The attorney persuaded her to go to the police and that eventually to get this restraining order though soon after that she tried against the judges wishes to undo it afraid the man would find out and hurt her. She said into the changed. Her Life said Abby. I packed my stuff up and moved back home at age. Twenty seven or twenty eight and like the city. I loved it I loved was forever gone. Still bothers you to think about that. Was He ever charged with anything? Anyway that story said IB could explain why she didn't report her young student at Catholic central high when her claim the voice laughter Norway according to her he stalked her showed up at starbucks and other places near her high rise condo and made her give him the key to her apartment. Intimidated her enough. She get control of her phone and he used it to send text to her friends. He even tried to control who she could see. She said even when she went out of town three separate occasions she clan. He sexually assaulted her. You know that first time if he raped you the right thing to do is to police. He'd be charged home believed that he was fifteen host. Going to believe that that lingerie photo. The boy's mother found it wasn't a come on. She said the photo was taken in self defense. It was her cry for help wasn't posing was doing what he wanted to do. I wasn't assaulted that night because I did that. Did you ever have consensual sex with him? Never the proof. She offered one text the smoking gun. She claimed one out of well. Actually thousands of apparently loving and frankly explicit texts this one though is so explicit. We can't show you the tax but it includes a line that suggests sex reading and part. Never put you through that again. Baby girl that said Abby is the reason she asked that detective what her definition of sex was because to abby. It wasn't sex it was sexual assault. Didn't look like a fifteen year old boy. He didn't act like a fifteen year old boy. Here's a monster in our interview Abbey. Simon had just offered a stunning defense to a charge of having sex with a boy turned herself for perpetrator. Victim the question was hold up in court coming up. Abby Simon's telling text messages to her friends. I don't care if he's twenty or fifty. I just need my heart skipping and her former student tells all both new over here. Doing what's wrong. Sunshine faded and Western Michigan settled into a late fall. It appeared the case against Abigail. Simon was headed to a courtroom and so a veteran prosecutor named Helen. Brinkman was assigned the case. It was to be her last before retirement. She'd made a career out of prosecuting sex crimes. You go after rapists and abusers on behalf victims and you have a situation where is a person? You're prosecuting who claimed she is the victim? Yes what a way to end a twenty five year long career to have someone who was preying on a fifteen year old boy for her own gratification. Turn around and make the child responsible. I still have a difficult time wrapping my mind around. That still in an effort to avoid was sure to be a very very painful trial the prosecutor's Office offered Abbey Simon. A plea deal plead guilty to one count of criminal sexual conduct and except one year behind bars. Which was time off for. Good behavior would likely mean. Abby would be free in a matter of months I know we as a team really wanted them to accept that plea offer so that that kid didn't have to go through any of that the damage in the harm that comes from this kind of trial to a kid. You just can't understand until you're that kid and your that Kids Family Abigail. Simon turned the deal down coal. Some people probably thought. What the heck were you thinking most people to do? I was threatened in Stockton assaulted and scared out of my mind. And then I'd have to pay for his consequences forever forever. Because edgy taken the plea deal. Abby would be placed on the sexual offenders list and that wouldn't ever go away so now now you're facing this trial. It's not going to be easy next year. I was a guaranteed visiting that table for Thanksgiving. If I took the deal. Guaranteed I'd be my sister discount. Engaged I via her wedding no matter what I couldn't do it because he owned me. I needed to able to get my story out and I couldn't live like that. And so in November two thousand fourteen Kent County courthouse in Grand Rapids Abigail. Simon entered the courtroom to fight charges that theoretically could put her in prison for life and to do so by claiming that she was the victim of a big strong abusive boy. Ladies and gentlemen to which prosecutor Helen Brinkman replied. Who does she think she's kidding? What this may be is practicing a play and the theatre of Absurd Abbey was certainly not sexually assaulted. Set the prosecutor this she told the jury was an extremely inappropriate love story as evidenced by the testimony of the young. Man's mother. Your son about this. No I didn't because I knew he'd run to her and tell her and wouldn't be able to be exposed. He was madly in love with miss. Simon with this whole heartedness also presently. The law is absolutely clear. Said the Prosecution. Abbey's behavior was illegal. The boy was fifteen. The age of consent with a teacher is eighteen. Why they asked with Abbey Simon take on day trips to Chicago. Notre Dame with this photo was taken of the smiling couple. If not for love it was a disturbing story. They said best told through at least text messages. The prosecutor call one by one. Abbey's friends had them read messages. Abby sent them the right reflecting thousands of other texts that sounded very much like a woman in love with a boy. All that matters is that our hearts are skipping. Beats all I need. I don't care if he's twenty or fifty higest need my heart skipping and that's all it is doing with this boy parentheses child and it's concerning the only person who's company. I enjoy here is a fifteen year old. I will be upbeat starting now. Do you deny receiving that text from her now. The text after the picture of his face and this is my child. Or that's my child something like that. I never have had as much evidence against someone as I had in this case never. She had text so many people bragging about her inappropriate relationship with this child and knowing that it was wrong telling him that it was wrong. We can't keep doing this. I could go to jail then. The young man took the stand spent parts of four days there detailing on affair that he said lasted two months when showing his face on camera court. We both. You're done wrong. The prosecutor took him through hundreds more texts. All those words of longing between school tutor and a boy too young even to drive. He says I need you in my bed. Now is that right yes so. She says she's telling you she needs you in her bed now and she's going to come in thank you all basically right. Lupin on shut case at the prosecutor text messages are the truth. They're not created with any other intent than to communicate what they want to communicate at the time. The text messages are the truth now after that avalanche of evidence against her Abigail Simon was about to tell the jury the story. She told us this time he'd be seated across from prosecutor. Who couldn't wait for her? Turn with a defendant come again. Here's I'm trying to be honest of urine. So disrespectful fireworks you know when you're in the situation situation being lowered with the fifteen year old eleven in to have sex with a fifteen year old right out with a great body right note when Dateline continues prosecutors laid out their case in a torrent of text messages but damning indictment of boundary crossing love affair between then thirty-three-year-old Abigail Simon. Enter then fifteen year. Old Pupil. Mars now Abe's defence out determine the story on its head to. It's not a love story. It's control store defense. Attorney Michael Manley told the jury but abby was the innocent party is year a victim held under the thumb of a controlling dangerous young man who could snap at any moment remind one punch could kill and no woman should ever have to go through what she went. The evidence will show this young lady that I'm so proud of is finally standing up against the bully. How to understand the psychology involved? The defense called an expert on domestic violence. The image we have of the violence used in domestic violence tends to be the black guy and the broken bone. The reality of the violence in abusive relationships is that it tends to be low level. Pushes shows grabs but having a cumulative effect over time that is as frightening as severe violence can be I. I be had to survive in Abusir deal back in. Chicago said the defense then at the school. The boy relaunched the fear by slapping Abbey's face after their study session that night so attorney. Manley launched a days long cross examination the young ban. He denied he ever slapped abby except possibly playfully during sex but then they're followed one accusation after another. Is this whole thing that you did to Miss Simon so you could be popular to say. I've got the hot tutor. That's not what you did. Not Opt told the jury. The young man had changed his story several times and in fact he had in his first interview with police. He said he forced abby have sex with him and twice said put a gun to her head. You told detective Lowrey that you pointed a gun to her head and told her that I would kill her if she didn't love me back. Yes detective lowrey. The time didn't believe him for a minute and later sure enough. Young man recanted said the putting a gun to her head. Comment was is effort to keep abby from getting into trouble about the defense attorney flat out accused the young man of sexual assault. You Force yourself on Miss Simon in the car on the twenty fourth of April. Did you not? You didn't grabbed her by the hair now and put her head into your lap and and finally that offense confronted him with what it said was proof of sexual assault. What it called the smoking gun. Text the one you'll recall which clearly suggested sex taking place in the text of the boy apologizes promises to never put you through that again baby girl first of all did you send that text message. Yes can you explain to the jury what that meant? Never do anything again in the car and it's your testimony. That text message is only because it was uncomfortable in the car. Yes it was consensual between you two. When he was finally allowed to leave the stand did appear that Abbes defense and her freedom depended on the story. She and she alone was about to tell to the state the question. Despite all those text messages professing her deep and abiding love with the jury. Could the jury believe Abigail? Simmons claim that she was a victim. Seven would you raise your right hand? You've been in therapy for eighteen months now. Are you ready to tell your story at one point? I remember thinking like this is my life right now. Like I'm doing this for a fifteen year old like. How is this even possible? I'm his he owned me. He owned me up until today when I got to find a way what happened. Tell the truth. I don't cover for him. Of course by taking the stand in her own defense to tell her story knew she was opening yourself up to what would no doubt being intense cross-examination by prosecutor? Brinkman question. We put to abby before the trial the prosecutor is going to challenge you every which way to Sunday. The you all kinds of things I can just tell the truth. I can just be honest. I don't have to remember. What was I supposed to say? I can tell the story. You never reported right but the prosecutors opinion of MS. Simon was clear from the start. You know when you're in the situation situation of being in love with the fifteen year old in you to have sex with the fifteen year old right with a great body right. No do really think that a if you don't get to ask the questions when I'm trying to tell something. Roller is or laugh about it. I'm trying to be honest up here and so disrespectful. The more she talked the more she Attacked me during crossing sandwiches salted believer. Yes and I was insulted that she thought someone would told you. You don't have to crew portions of two days. It went just like that. I've never I never used the word rapist. I said he forced me again in my world. I have the binder. He keeps stating things that he has. No evidence for as fat. You've got the no. Don't just say it is getting totally out of control and beginning the lose it a little bit. You HAVE NO PROBLEM. Birkin back at me. Do you know pretty strong personality. Yes after eighteen months of therapy. This is the first time I dead. Set it at lunch. Today he's never seen objection objection. We didn't have to wait outside this day just yesterday. Guess anoma finally. The prosecutor asked if Abbey's text messages. Were the cry for help. She claimed why didn't you tell her? Father the attorney who was in court with her every day and helped her escape the abuse. She said she suffered years earlier in Chicago his. Ask Your Dad Call. You're dead on the phone. I'm being beaten on being raped. He's a lawyer. You know it's not that easy you know. It's not that easy. It is that easy you did before time. Instability told you lift it. I lived in an the police right away. And you bet finally Abigail Simon left to stand. It was the jury's turn. What did you think the jury went out of the end of that trial? I worried because we don't hold women accountable like we do men. We don't that's our society. I think people don't want to believe that women can be cunning and devious and tell molesters but they are so Abbey Simon for the moment as free as a bird way to find out if she'd stay that way coming up the verdict we the jury count one charge of criminal sexual conduct two thousand fourteen just hours before the Thanksgiving holiday was to begin not a word from the jury for twelve hours with a believe abby the prosecution then they were back already richer Abbey Simon to be teetering on the brink. An emotional wreck foreperson. If you standing by reading from the form it starts we the jury we the jury and count. One and the charge of criminal sexual conduct first degree we the jury find the defendant. Abigail Simon Guilty Abbie's mother and sister cried out in anger and anguish. The jury just didn't believe her church child for more purposes. We the jury find the defendant. Abigail Simon guilty on and on it went guilty. Four guilty verdicts acquitted on the fifth minutes later. Abigail Simon went directly to jail outside the courtroom defense attorney. Michael Manley spoke. Were you surprised by what happened in their shocked shocked and devastated very disappointed in the jury's verdict? She's at peace she already one. She told her story her accuser. And nobody's going to hurt again. But after listening to the defense attempt to paid. Abby is the victim grand rapids police. Detective Dave Gillam finally felt free to speak his mind a level of victim bashing victim blaming and throwing this family. Not only the victim with family. the bus on over and over and over his unprecedented in in my eighteen years. I've never seen anything to that degree. Something got onto your skin. Big Time there. Yes this is a fifteen year old kid. You're a thirty five year old woman thirty six on you took advantage of and you're blaming not just blaming him but accusing him of a crime that could put him in prison for the rest of his life. Extraordinarily bothering me. Because he said none of the evidence not one thing suggested that the boy was in any way aggressive or abusive toward the woman. He loved seven weeks later. After spending Thanksgiving and Christmas behind bars out for sentencing came Abigail Simon visibly diminished? When it was her chance to speak she said perhaps no surprise. She regretted her decision. To turn down the plea deal which would likely have meant mere months in jail and total kicking herself. Really for way she put it selfishly choosing to fight for herself rather than do what was best for her family. I'm so much more than remorseful myself or put him my story about them. I'm so sorry for all of this cry all day and all day every day so tight. It's possible I don't want to claim in my mom's bed really verse laws broken and I don't want to send me home as soon as possible. Bathos doesn't begin to describe the scene in here. When it was time for the sentencing she seemed to swoon on the verge of passing out. Deputy stepped into study her. Uk Free Judge. Paul Sullivan made it clear. He agreed with the jury's verdict. The evidence in this case was overwhelming and he handed down a sentence that was in the middle range of possibilities. It's going to be the sentences. Court that the defendant be turned over to the Michigan Department of Corrections. Assertive radim incarceration less than eight normal twenty five years Abigail. Simon absorbed the news of her sentence. Blankly as if the words blue by her. Like a fastball. Eight twenty five years listed sex offender for life. Hopefully this'll be a lesson to any other teacher. Who WANTS TO PREY on another child? It doesn't turn out to be the fantasy. They think it is her earliest possible. Release date is November of two thousand and twenty two. Her appeals evolved and rejected her family. Who'd invited us into their home to hear. Abby side of the story now declined to speak to US declined our requests for comment of kind and directed attorney Michael Manley to do likewise and the prosecutor who just watch the end of her last case is mostly sorry. She had to bring it to court at all. I don't think you put a victim through what she put this victims through not confessing not being repentant help. She has some time to consider what she did to that family beyond what she did to that child sewage then. The Young Man's lawyers filed a lawsuit against Simon claiming battery and emotional distress. The lawsuit also accused the local Catholic diocese to administrators at a coach of not protecting the young man from the Tudor. Michigan's Court of Appeals tossed out the lawsuit but the State Supreme Court is now considering reviewing the case as for that young man. He's an adult now still trying to figure out his next step in life. His lawyer told us he has dropped out of college and is still struggling. He's going to have to live with the fact that you know. The person that he loved is going to be in prison for eight years. Love is blind sometimes. This kind of Love was not just a crime. It was a tragedy. That's all for now. I'm lester thanks for joining us. The meet the Press Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics. The twenty twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things. We usually discuss off camera. Listen for free wherever you get your podcast.
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She'll say did you tell Paul not tell anybody well today. You're going to reveal lots of other things that you bring with you to Share some other secret absolutely yes. It's great to be back with another episode here of Marketing Communications Medications today from West Virginia University. Before I introduce our host though. I WanNa talk about what we're going to be talking about today in discussing and that is brand positioning -sition specifically the teachings of trout and reese and are they still relevant today so our guest on this topic. Today is Susan and Jones. She's an award-winning professor. Author and consultant with expertise in direct and digital marketing. Susan teaches direct marketing digital marketing advertising sizing social media content marketing be classes at Ferris state. Her practice focuses on corporate training and seminars and direct and digital marketing as as well as marketing planning product development and copywriting. Susan is also on our team here at Wvu so she teaches IMC six sixteen n- Direct and digital marketing online in the Reed College of Media. WVU and Susan joins us today from Grand Rapids Michigan. Thanks for being here Susan. Hey Mike my pleasure. It's a very nippy time in grand rapids yes. I am also in a very cold area so I can certainly certainly relate polar vortex as well is the season so many have read these books. Obviously right so one A to level set here I can you tell us more about the philosophy of trout and reese as it was. I presented a few decades now. Yeah their books came out in the nineteen eighty and they. Each of the books was updated for the twentieth anniversary which was in the two thousands. The first talk was called positioning the battle for your mind and what trout and restocked about makes a whole lot of sense when we think about any product category gory could be something as simple as soft drinks or fast foods as a consumer estimate. How many we can think of in that category? It's usually no more than seven names in our minds. We put them in a little ladder. Usually people will say Coca Cola for soft drinks. I even that's not their favorite. Okay Britt because it's not a one McDonald's fast food and then it goes down from there but the cool thing is that wrong number one. Typically early has forty percent of the market share. So that would be like a McDonald's or a coke and then runs two and three go down from there after runs two. Who in three lucky if you get five percent market share if you look at the fast food industry those lower rungs? They're not burgers. There's something else they. RV chicken they would tacos and then the other book marketing warfare. They talked about the fact that depending on where you are those those wrongs you WanNa have a different strategy. So if you're number one you're on the defense you're sort of like a national football league defensive player player for you right yeah. They're they're done in for you but you're so big you can send them off so that would be like McDonald's and coke and in the presentation I do miss. I have a picture of Coca Cola and McDonald's their partners so you get coca cola products when you go McDonald's and then of course number two and this is not necessarily number two in all fast food but the number two versus McDonald's would be burger her king and they team up with techy. which is the other number two? So their offense they're trying to knock off number one in a great example of where that actually really happened was when visa went up against American Express instead of just saying in the same thing in the same realm with mastercard and they use the fact that they're accepted everywhere as they're differentiating factor and they actually knocked off American Express and became number one one after defense and offense the trout and restock about the flanking position and that would be maybe seven up in the soft drink realm their Saint Louis the UN Cola. They're not trying to survive in in the coal land. So that's a little bit of what this concept is all about excellent so we have the battle for your mind. We have this marketing warfare. And you painted really a very vivid picture for us as to what's going out and Alan out in the landscape escape and you know these came out in the eighties as you mentioned. And what were some of the first signs though that the trout and ries concepts Mike becoming a little outdated when I first saw from years ago. Actually it was two thousand outreach. said that he thought that Amazon was wrong. To expand beyond on books and CDs according to his philosophy and also his partner Mr Trump Amazon should stick to their knitting and they were known for books and CDs. So they said Bobo stands for sason delve a personal computer even by for software software. Now Amazon's GONNA understands we're books and charcoal grill. This makes no sense to me. Well clearly they were was wrong about that and I think jeff days those was actually very smart to say wow. I've number one in books the day that I started selling CDs which nobody really buys anymore but at the time it was big I I became number one in CDs. So why should I be selling. Everybody does everything to this huge number of customers that I have and then reasons Daughter actually wrote a column when that Apple's was purchased by Amazon and she said that she thought that was dumb But this turned out to be a great success because apple has been able to keep its own branding and the two of them share distribution channels else. which has been hugely successful so both of them so those are couple of things I think? Mr Trump is a little more quiet on this but the reasons really kind of stepped in it it. And that's why why jeff basis is worth one hundred eleven billion dollars as well. You got that right. So let's let's move to another category here and this is often cited as a case study in some of the courses that we have here in the IMC program and that's dollarshaveclub. Now how did dollarshaveclub disrupt the way. Men's razors were sold for generations. Well they were so smart to take on Gillette and according to trout and that would be suicidal for some a small upstart like that to take on number one. But what dollar Shave Club did was used. I used digital channels inexpensive digital channels. Then they created these funny commercials that became viral and so they got all all kinds of free love listening for Dollar Shave Club and they focus out one of the funny quotes is in one of the commercials. The head of Dollar Shave Club up says Roger. Federer is a spokesperson for Gillette. And he jokes that he gets nineteen of every twenty dollars you spend with Gillette whereas with dollarshaveclub club. You can get a razor for a dollar very very clever with that. So how are big brands than reacting to these disrupters in maybe defensive ways a couple of examples of how how these big brands are fighting back against David. If you will usually Gillette actually after Poo pooing dollar Shave Club. They started their own shave club. Let Razors through the mail. So they that this again is very untried. And reese like because number one is never supposed to dignify their you remember. I said they are the defenders they're never supposed to dignify dignify anybody though them. And yet they kind of took on dollar Shave Club in that way and that was pretty shocking. Another one a few few years ago on the Super Bowl there was a commercial that became very controversial from Budweiser considered number one in American beers and they had this lashing out microbrewery that. Oh that's fake and that's kind of wimpy and you need to drink budweiser. Meanwhile meanwhile their parent company which people soon realize that they did note already buying up all kinds of microbes. That was cool. It's not a swift move on the part of Budweiser because they should stick with and by opinion if they're number one and if they're going by trout ries they would have stuck with the beautiful clydesdales tails and the heartwarming ads. But no they took on the little upstart microbrewery and bid defied them which is very untravelled wreath. So that's how those big brands are fighting back. And we talked about dollarshaveclub. Besides that Can you give us some other examples. Some a couple of other disruptors that are making waves these days that you anticipate we'll be making waves here in the not so distant future is really on the tip hip on my tongue is what we call the thin test industry. They these large companies like Google and facebook. I'm sure you've seen we're trying to make inroads roads into the way we pay our bills. Google has announced that they want to try to have checking accounts Amazon. Of course would love to have your credit card business. They and so so banks are looking at this and saying this is supposed to be our Bailey and now these companies have millions of customers are going to be trying to use the concept of ease and convenience and certainly every time I buy something on Amazon. They're saying hey you know if you bought this with started carded a credit card with us. We're going to give you a discount right now. We're going to give you cash back. I think this is a big example of disruption disruption in the financial services business. And I happened to be on the board of a bank in Michigan and I noticed on the agenda of the Michigan Bankers Conference coming up in early December. There's a whole section on Syntech and the impact of Intech and what we're GONNA GONNA do about it so in fact this morning I was at a bank board meeting and this topic came up and the president of the bank. CEO The bank said. We are going to stay vigilant about that. We I mean it's sort of like if you can't beat them join them and we're going to be looking at how we might be able to partner with some thin tax because obviously they have this huge audience of people that are pretty loyal to them on the other side of that. Just think how much these companies companies know about us the googles the Amazons of the world. I would suspect that at facebook to that. Some people are going to be wary about this. Well they know enough about me. I really don't want them to know How much I paid where that money comes from and what? I'm spending on my utility bills or whatever it might be think there is a question about that. So that's the first one that really on the tip of my tongue but another one that's Quite obvious obvious is Uber and lift disrupting the traditional taxi limo businesses and it's become so big at certain airports they had had to create a special place for these independent driving services to pick people up. Another thing that I think is important. The I've gone to cities late at night and there are no taxis there but you can still call Uber and lift and they will come. So it's a pleasant been disrupted. It's also in my experience. I use Uber as opposed to it's cheaper than than taxis and the other thing as you know the taxi business gets a little complacent. I've had taxi drivers in New York City. That were on their phone the entire time I was in their cab. I am one year or so ago. That said the tip wasn't big enough and he was just standing there with his hand out. You know with the hoover you know how how much you're GonNa pay before you even get into the vehicle and tipping is optional. The Uber bottle has really made things easier for a lot consumers. And I'm the baby boom around not a kid but all my friends are using uber to and in fact some of them were using it before I was so it's not just for younger people all but then when we think about disruption. What's going to happen now all uber drivers in the foreseeable future? We're going to have driverless cars. So does this slept. There is going to be disrupted again which is kind of fascinating. Just another example of that airbnb and the other home home sharing services are really disrupting the hotel business where people are buying properties just to airbnb knew somebody. When I was teaching Ching abroad? That was staying in beautiful apartment and I said. How'd you get this great apartment? They said well we knew this person for AIRBNB and and when she gets a good tenant like us for a month she moves out and goes live with her daughter. All this money a lot of people can be a A hotel these days. Just I don't WanNa get too far into this but disrupting the grocery business. The Blue Apron's and other companies companies. That are giving you exactly what you need to to cook dinner for people that they get sick of doing takeout they want something fresher. So that's another disruptor after I mean there we've got a million of Matthew interesting you know. We often talk in in PR journalism that anyone can be a journalist. Appoint that you just made there. That really stuck with me. Is You know now. Anyone can be journalist. Anyone can be a driver. Anyone can be a hotel or hotel. You're really interesting times that we're in. I don't want to disrupt disrupt your flow here but we do need to take a quick break and we're gonNA come back and talk more about a digital disruption option and some of the industries that are ripe for disruption in the future with Susan Joan. So hang tight. We'll be right back all right. Well there is a place for disruption. It's called called West Virginia University's Online Data Marketing Communications Program. It's the first of its kind in the country and it's something you can find out very easily about today. Dave you simply go visit him in. D M C dot. WVU Dot Edu. If you do that you're gonNA find that. They focus on strategic thinking critical problem solving elving informed decision making the Data Marketing Communications Program at West Virginia. University is a place that you can go and prepare for your career by learning earning innovative tactics from award-winning faculty. Like those were featuring today here. So if you WANNA learn more just those nine letters DMC for data marketing communications medications DMC dot. WVU Dot Edu. All right. That's all the disruption I can do for today here I don't want to disrupt this flow at all here. I do shout out to to her school their affair state. I grew up in suburban Detroit. Lots of kids I know went to Ferris State eight or fund fund spring. They always thought too little frozen for me. I don't know if I want to go out there but it is quite frozen up there but We're doing so well. In Sports. We are best. Football team is undefeated so far this year than our football team is number two in the country for division two football they tend to know regular season. So that's a little bit off topic. But we're very proud of our bulldogs affairs date. Anybody who live in that lake effect though the comes off the Lake Michigan and travels across the state all the way to Ann Arbor. I went to university. Oh my God it would all the way across the street and you get tons and tons of snow but funding the summertime frozen in the wintertime. Here exactly I'll just get used to it while we're talking about education talked about disruption and education are very program that you and I teach in is the disruptor because people are so excited by the opportunity thirty to study online and two if my school at fair state we're even going to have to virtual reality classes in the college of business next semester which should be absolutely fascinating. Everybody gets the their own Avatar and they go to class in a virtual ritual world very cool and you know beyond the convenience of that though it's bringing those diverse perspectives from from all around the country to the table able it really brings about some really rich discussions from people that are doing things that major brands all around the country. All around the world for that matter. So let's talk digital digital disruption and so do digital disruptors tend to stay with a niche promotional methods like social media and video. Or do they expand more. You're into more traditional mass media as they grow another example of that I would say is the Bomba socks which started out in the mall. And maybe you heard they're in radio now quite a lot of radio. Yeah and they're one of their ads is one partner said. Why would you get a tattoo that you didn't really want the other partner? Says I promised I would get a tattoo. And we sold a million pairs of socks and gave away a million and I think they're up after twenty million pairs of socks now so twenty tattoos. Yeah well I promise to do the one. Yeah Yeah. That's his partner partner should have made him do that. At least have hash marks. If you look at dollarshaveclub they started out with kind. Of what would you say. it's kind of a guerrilla marketing pretty content content focused I especially with that that opening video that they did right right trying to go viral roll and get the word of mouth going but later on they started to actually do. TV ads where they folk they show some for soul trying to buy razor blades at a door where they had to find somebody to open the case and it was just a pain in the neck as opposed to going out to to your mailbox. And there's your blades. Yes they do as they get more money. They tend to go more math and then that helps them grow even faster. Yes right and then they they become giants over time. And that's another thing. It's a little bit off topic but the younger generation just loves to say that they're doing good like they buy bombed us or they buy com shoes. Many different product categories. Where you buy something and then you give something just by doing doing that? And it's kind of an easy way to feel good that you're helping somebody without having to spend a whole lot of time on it. That's another thing we're seeing a lot. A lot of their their key differentiator in in many ways. So we've talked a lot about About some brands but Susan what other fields seemed to be ripe for a disruption right. Now I think it's already happening in retailing where we're seeing so many the old line doors either going bankrupt after cutting back. And that's because I I don't know about you matthew but I usually will say oh I need something I'm GonNa look on Amazon and now Amazon can get it to me the overnight usually or day that the most so can't remember the last time I went to a mall so this is a huge disruption. And what we're seeing for retailers Taylor's news they are going to have to create experiences to make people say well. I'M GONNA get my car and I'M GONNA go out even if it's January and I'm GonNa go to that store so special events and in store things like I. I went to Ralph Lauren in New York earlier this year and they have a beautiful beautiful tea room now in the store which will get people into the store just to enjoy that. Lots of things that were like Nike town has always been that way where you could really experienced something when you went there I think we're GONNA see more of that and I would consider that a reaction to the fact that that retailers can't just say here we are you come to us from going to work anymore and then another one of course that's happening with Apple TV and Disney Disney streaming opening up. Just recently we're seeing more and more disruption of the TV and movie businesses. I still like to go to the movies and see something on a big screen but I think that some people are just saying well. I'll just wait till it can be streaming. We have a beautiful new movie theater that opened up here in downtown grand rapids which was quite a statement for the future of movies and first time I went there. Were too many people there and hoping that it. We'll make it because the movie business is kind of iffy right now. People have great big. TV's at home. Do they need to go out to the theater. And then we're also also seeing the big networks NBC ABC CBS. Fox are losing viewers just One thing thing after another to streaming and to feed VR and things or just not watching it all so those those are some other disruptions. That were really. We're kind of in the middle of that and I'm really going to be interested to see. What kind of disruptions are on the horizon? It just takes a clever person to say ooh We could do this a different way. That's true we can all be disruptors. We just need that big idea. We have time for just one more question. Susan Susan and I want to bring this back to the consumer disruption in in your opinion. Does it benefit the consumers. I mean we've really talked about brands. That have grown from from from nothing into multimillion dollar even billion dollar brands when you talk Zepos and others is a benefit to consumers or is is this disruption more more of a negative for them. Well I think overall it is a benefit because it's largely about convenience. The convenience of having things delivered livered to your home the convenience of having something come to you for a company like Blue Apron where you don't have to go out to the grocery store and buy things you're not gonNA use the the convenience of being able to call an uber in a place where there's not a whole lot of cabs whatever it might be. It's convenience and also so sometimes it's a lower price which I think sumers love and then from the retail standpoint. The retailers have to take another look at themselves and not not be so just well. Here's the product you come and get it but if people are real reason to come in I think consumers will love that so. There's definitely reasons that these these brands were able to come in and disrupt these categories. So it's all based on Consumers needs and wants right. Well Susan the great insights sites here today really appreciate your time. 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Ireland has cancelled all saint. Patrick's Day parades and we do not know tonight. If the president of the United States has been tested for Corona virus those are just two of the stranger data points in today's Corona Virus News. Here's what the vice president said. Today when asked about the president being tested people who were in proximity to the virus. Let me be sure it gets you an answer. That honestly don't know the answer to the question But we'll refer that question we will get you an answer from the White House physician of very quickly. That question came up because someone political conference that the president attended nine days ago has tested positive for virus and that person is known to have shaken hands with the person. Donald TRUMP is seen shaking hands with in that photograph at that conference. Vice President attended that same conference two days before the president. The vice president said today that he has not been tested because he has not been advised to get tested. Five Republican members of Congress including senator. Ted Cruz are self quarantining. Because they attended that same political conference one of these self quarantining Republicans is cars gates made fun of the situation last week by wearing a gas mask in the house chambers since then one person in Carson Gates's district has died from Corona virus at another Republican Carson's self quarantining right now is Mark Meadows who donald trump recently amounts to will be his next White House. Chief of Staff Mark Meadows could end up being the Anthony Scaramucci of White House chief of staff and never actually serving a day on the job. Depending on how trump feels about being in close proximity to someone who might or might not have been exposed to chronic virus. Front virus could be changing the nature of the presidential campaign. I asked you a Biden this morning if he if his campaign can continue holding rallies and he said that they are reevaluating. That question every day Joe Biden had a rally tonight in Detroit. Where former presidential candidate Senator Connell Harrison Senator Cory Booker joined him onstage? After endorsing his candidacy. I interviewed Vice President Biden this morning in Grand Rapids Michigan where Bernie. Sanders held an outdoor rally. On an unusually warm day yesterday the Sanders campaign event dominated local news coverage in grand rapids yesterday but new polls out today show Bernie Sanders behind. Joe Biden in Michigan on Monmouth University. Poll of Michigan Shows Michigan. Voters shows Joe Biden with a lead of fifty one percent thirty six percent and the Detroit free press shows Joe Biden with an even bigger lead over Bernie Sanders in Michigan. But this is four years ago that very same poll by the Detroit free press showed Bernie Sanders a full twenty five points behind Hillary Clinton in Michigan the weekend before that Tuesday election day and Bernie Sanders went onto win Michigan. Four years ago keeping hope alive for his campaign which is exactly what Jesse Jackson was doing for Bernie Sanders Campaign in Michigan yesterday. Alive cheapo never surrender people alive Bernie Sanders can win win. Two national polls out today show similar results. Quinnipiac poll shows Joe Biden ahead of Bernie Sanders nationally. Fifty four to thirty five percent on Democrats and a CNN poll shows Joe Biden ahead nationally. Fifty two to thirty six percent. John Hammond and you Michel Synder will join us later in this hour to discuss the state of the race for the Democratic presidential nomination at the evening's White House briefing on the Corona Virus President Trump spoke only for a few minutes and then left the room handing over the proceedings to Mike Pence. I want to express appreciation to the governor of California and his Administration Governor of Georgia the Governor of Texas for their strong cooperation with us in resolving the issues around the grand of Princess. The president couldn't have liked that in the past. The president has called the governor of California clown and on Friday the last time. Donald Trump fully participated in a press briefing about corona virus. Donald Trump said this about the governor of Washington the state hardest hit by corona virus. Not to be living together because governor is snake. That governor Jay Inslee just had a discussion with Rachel motto in the last hour that was more illuminating about the reality of the corona virus crisis than anything we have heard from any White House official. Donald Trump called governor inslee a snake on Friday afternoon after the stock market had closed and when the market next reopened. Which was this morning and New York at nine thirty? Am The market instantly. Dropped almost seventeen hundred points in part. Some analysts suggested because of the president's public statements about the Corona Virus Crisis Austin goolsbee former economic adviser. President Obama will join us at the end of the hour to consider what is happening to the economy and the stock market and what that means for people's jobs and the ability to support their families and the ability to support themselves in retirement. And we'll consider the possibility of a payroll tax cut that the president mentioned in passing in his brief remarks at tonight's press briefing. We began our interview with Vice President Biden this morning a few minutes after trading halt in the stock market. We've known each other twenty five years when you just walked in this room. It's the first time we haven't shaken hands and seeing each other in twenty-five here's a minor symbol of what has changed in this country and trains changed so dramatically just over the last few days. What are you have to say to the country about what's happening now with the Corona Virus Public Health Threat? And what we've seen today in the markets a threat to people's retirement security. Everything that they are expecting in their lives is now being threatened. We'll look mearns. I don't want to be too critical of the president but you know it just gets down to competence and capability and the unfortunately. The president has very little no competence in how to handle this crisis. Not that there's any clear answer this all go away but the idea that he shows up at the CDC and says that Well you know this. Is Everything. Just perfect now just like my call to leader Ukraine. I mean people just wonder what's going on or he's down there golfing today. I mean there's no sense of urgency the American people I think want to know that their that their president is on top of this understands it and that is being guided by science second in terms of capability. A this president has not. This administration has not moved to take advantage of the capability that exists within the health community has not prepared local hospital. This is not an equipment has not trained. Personnel has not thought through at least if they've thought it through they haven't announced it to the American people and the American people will just say. Wait a minute what's going on here. What's happening and so just like you. We walked in and we joked said no shaking hands well and I'm following the directions and so are you the CDC and and the other thing is Sees me little coordination with the rest of the world and how we're dealing with this? This is a worldwide pandemic. This is not just the United States of America. And so I think there's a reason why you see the market fall and you see the the reason why people are very very upset but I think if the president were to have just get out of the way. Let the experts. Cdc and others handle this speak to it. Talk about what needs to be done. We'd all be better off. Do you think the market reaction is a reaction to the markets realizing the president simply does not tell them or the world of this country. The truth about this situation and a market needs clear information. I believe that's the case. Now it doesn't mean the market would still go down but I don't. I don't think who can who can say but I think there's no confidence in the president and anything he says. Does he turns everything into what he thinks is a political benefit for himself. But he's actually imploding in the process. But there's a lot of innocent bystanders. That are being badly hurt and I just think I mean. I wish he would just be quiet. I really mean it. I'm not going to say about a president what she'd be quiet. Just let the experts speak in acknowledge whatever they suggest to them because what we should be doing Senator Bernie Sanders says that this public health crisis is yet another in his view. Perfect example of why we need a healthcare system with Medicare for all some version of Medicare for all at least because everyone would know a absolute guarantee that they would be able to get the treatment they need and would not be the costing them the way. Some people have been getting built careful for that. The Biden proposal. Will you be covered for all of this? The facts of the matter is that everyone would be covered under taking obamacare restoring. The cuts have been made and put it in a public option. Medicare like option you know. And by the way Medicare if everybody let's assume everybody had medicare covering everything now. Do you think people would be less concerned? I don't think so. But they know how they were going to get their service well by the way. Look the question is how you get your service period. Forget health care plan for second. What services you get this and there's not be provided right now. There's not enough testing kids. There's not enough information as to who should be tested in house. It'd be tested. There's not enough information as to what hospitals you go to. There's not enough beds available and so Medicare doesn't fix that. My plan the Obamacare that I built on. We take care of it all in terms of the building and all those things that are concerned about what is going to cost them but it does not solve the underlying problem. Where do you go? Who Do you talk to what information you get? That is not something that anyone on Medicare. Today let me put this way. Anybody's Medicare today. Okay they had Medicare do you think they're any less and less concerned is the fact that a person who's worried about her is in a nursing home and has medicare or is working in a way that they're all the bills are covered for. Medicare. There are simple. I'm okay. Don't worry about this. It goes well beyond that and again. I don't think Bernier I should try to turn this into a debate about Medicare for all our Biden plan but building on obamacare. It's much beyond that right now. It's about reinstalling some confidence and be prepared. We are not prepared and there's things we should be doing. And by the way the fact that the United States Congress said Democrats public say. Wait a minute. We have to fund this. We have to get the money out there now. Well I mean it goes well beyond a plan goes beyond what is the what structures exist in society today in the United States America. Deal with this problem. What are they and every should? Let's assume and I've asked other candidates this kind of question veto question. Let's flash forward your President Bernie. Sanders is still active in the Senate. He manages to get Medicare for all through the Senate in some compromise version. The Elizabeth Warren version or other version. Nancy Pelosi gets version of it through the House representatives. It comes to your desk to veto it. I would veto anything. That delays providing need the security and the certainty of healthcare being available. Now they've got that through and by some miracle and there is an epiphany that occurred and some miracle occurred. That said okay. It's passed then. You GotTa look at the cost. I WANNA know. How did they find thirty five trillion dollars? What is that? Don't significantly raise taxes on the middle class which it will what's going to happen. I look my position is into the principle that there should be should have Medicare. I mean everybody. Healthcare should be right in America. My opposition relates to whether or not age doable to what the cost is and what the consequences for the rest of the budget are. How are you gonNA find thirty five trillion dollars or the next ten years without having profound impacts on everything from taxes for middle class and working class people as well as well as the impact on the rest of the budget what is going to happen to rallies going forward in this campaign are you reconsidering gathering people together especially in marinas? I'm looking at the CDC to get guidance. On what I'm GonNa do and to give people reassurance is I'm not doing the rope lines like us because people don't just shaking hands with voters. No I haven't I. It's awfully hard. It's hard for you know people reach out but I think that What I'm doing now is instead of doing what they call for. You is the rope line after speech you down and say hello to all the folks and you shake hands here their concerns. Let them tell you. What's on your mind that I think is? We're going to be guided. By evolving concerned that exists on the part of the CDC. The senator control is what we should be doing. And so for example. The last two events was surprised. Everybody I actually I you know down waved people through you know storm fist-bump that kind of thing and and I think you're going to see more of that in the part of everyone and they're going to be guided by the issue whether or not we should have big indoor rallies those kinds of things. That's all all in all emotion right now. We have breaking news at this hour. The White House has released a statement Answering the question raised at the beginning of this hour just a few minutes ago when I began the show. The statement says the president has not received corona virus testing because he has neither had prolonged close contact with any known confirmed. Corona virus patients. Nor does he have any symptoms? President trump remains in excellent health and his physician will continue to closely monitor. Him We will have more of my interview with Joe Biden. You're seeing the interview in its entirety. Every word of every question every word of every answer. You're going to see all of that when we come back you'll hear Joe Biden's reaction to what some women called the Gut Punch of Elizabeth Warren dropping out of the race last week and listen carefully to Joe. Biden's answer when I asked him if he would choose a vice presidential nominee from the group of presidential candidates who have run against him. You'll also hear. Joe Biden respond to Bernie Sanders charge that the democratic establishment forced Amy Cova Charen through the judge to drop out of the race in my final question to Joe. Biden was what do you most admire about Bernie Sanders? All of that is coming up. We'll continue now with the entirety of our interview. With Joe Biden conducted this morning in Michigan including in this segment Senator Bernie Sanders assertion that the democratic establishment forced people to Judge Amy Klobuchar out of the race to help Joe by yesterday senator. Sanders said that the democratic establishment forced people to judge and Amy Klobuchar to drop out of the race. He used the word force. You force them to drop out of the race. Look half the community suburban women people who are hard work in high school educated people who are struggling and they're the ones that's the establishment of the Democratic Party. And that's what happened there. The folks in these primaries voted for me. They voted for me. They're not voting for Bernie. At least they didn't vote for. They may tomorrow decide. They're going to vote for Bernie but it's not about establishing forcing anybody out. I mean Bernie tries to make this all the time and as always about pressure and I heard for example that I'm taking nine billion or ninety billion dollar billionaires. That are supporting me. I've never taken a controversy over twenty eight hundred bucks. My average contribution is about forty four dollars. I mean this. We stopped this kind of stuff. We were running against Donald Trump. Go to start telling the truth about this and the the idea that we are that I heard him say that will the democratic establishment that means some Kabbalah said in a room somewhere we gotTa Stop Bernie Sanders here. Let's all get together and do the following. I am flattered and I am pleased and I am honored by all the former candidates San okay. We had a fair race. We didn't make it and it's a real hard thing I've lost before I do. It's hard to say okay. I lost but I'm throwing my full support behind for the following reasons. If you notice people endorse inmate generically endorse me. They're stating why they are for me. And because those who got out and I don't have that fundamental there's really no fundamental difference and we're going to take the country on healthcare education global warming you know race relations a whole range of things and so. I think it's I'm just very flattered by the support. The idea there's some establishment city back. They're made up of what she thinks. Are The folks who brought me back? We're an overwhelming support from african-americans significant support from and by the way in each of these Super Tuesday primaries we raise turnout exponentially across the and they voted for our candidacy voted for our candidacy. Because now it's getting down to okay. We got inside. How are we going to run this? Who's best positioned beatdown trump? Who Do I agree with one? Elizabeth Warren dropped out last week Bernie. Sanders characterized this at this point as the race between what he called. Too Old white guys. They a rich amount of went up to Cambridge in an hour interview. Elizabeth Warren of Lily Adams was on with me at that night She's the granddaughter. Ann Richards She worked uncommon Harris's campaign. She said it was a gut punch a Gut Punch to see. All of the leading women. Candidates knocked out of this campaign for United States senators. These strongest field field of women candidates we've ever seen in a presidential campaign. Hillary Clinton was obviously stronger when she ran but as a field. And do you understand? What what Lily atoms means by that. Gut Punch what that felt like to do. That's why you know two thousand eighteen unwanted campaign for more women anybody else. Did we elected forty one. New Member's house. I went out and their districts. I wanted those purple districts. Helped the win. Why they asked me to come in and they want not because despite of me maybe but the point is that I'm not a pundit I there is for example I saw there was sexism in our race and the way. He's real the idea of sexism. Racism still existing United States America. That's why I feel so strongly about what I pushed everyday from. Violence kids from an active teaching my granddaughter's they can do anything anything. Anything my grandson. But as this presidential campaign a lesson to your granddaughters that they can do anything they want. I think so the sense that look every campaign is different and and I'm not a but all I know is that I feel very strongly that exists. Sexism and racism still exists in this country in a big way and as president of states. If I'm elected president I'm going to do all I can to continue to root out. The very first presidential decision will have to make. Is that decision. That Barack Obama made in two thousand eight to choose you as vice president. That is the first test of a presidency. What does What you've seen of the women campaigning. And what you have felt and what you are aware of that Gut Punch felt like this week for them dropping out. What does that? How does that impact your vice presidential thinking first of all? I think there are a number of incredibly competent women capable be president that I have run and haven't even run yet and are out there senators and governors and so for me. I think the most important thing and vice president is whether or not the person is simpatico with me in terms of where I want to take the country. It's really important that the next president is able to brock was able to do with me turn it hand over ten twenty percent of the portfolio. And you do it as if your president. Because there's so much that lands on the president's desk he can or she can't do it all by themselves and so that requires I trust all women that are out there if there were to be my vice presidents presumptious may be talking about this. I'm not the nominee a- but someone who is simpatico with I want to take the country? We DISAGREE TACTIC BUT NOT ON STRATEGY. And so that's the first test and there are a number of women and African Americans as well who would meet that criteria for me. But but I've not focused on that at this point. But I promise you my administration from Vice President. Ron is going to look like the country. Your experience and your lifetime political experience in watching this choice made a a running mate. Do you think that it's important that it be someone who actually has been tested on that presidential debate stage the way? I assume Barack Obama thought it was very important that his vice presidential candidate had already been tested at that level as you were standing beside him on the debate stage. It's very important factor. Very important factor. And we're going to leave it at that today by the way. There's there's a number of women as well would test it in other ways and not on the debate stage but then there are debates in their states and then I'm being a national figures so but yes. I think that's an important fact coming up. One debate point that Bernie Sanders always wins against Joe Biden. Is that Bernie? Sanders was right about the Iraq. War from the start and Joe Biden was wrong. You will hear Joe Biden. Admit that mistake and tell us what he most admires about. Bernie Sanders showers. We just WANNA be treated fairly kyko shooting happening. I don't care what he says. He's not getting my hi. 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Wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. Here's the rest of the full interview with Joe Biden that I conducted this morning in Grand Rapids Michigan. You are seeing every word of every question and every word of every answer in their entirety tonight in the exact sequence that the questions were asked and answered there was a time constraint about twenty minutes so that the Biden campaign could stay on schedule today in Michigan in this final segment. I asked Vice President Biden if Bernie Sanders judgment on the vote authorizing the Iraq war was better than Joe. Biden's I asked. Joe Biden what he most admires about. Bernie Sanders two soldiers killed yesterday in Iraq. A you say that your vote on the Iraq war was based on. The president's wishes representations that this wasn't about going to war was about presenting a clear at least threat to Saddam Hussein Bernie. Sanders says. I saw right through that I was right. I knew George Bush was up to When we look back on it can we say that's under Sanders judgment about that was better than yours. Look the reason I voted to what I did was to try to prevent a war from happening because remember the threat was to go to war. Argument was because Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. So he said that. I need to be able to get the Security Council to agree to send in inspectors to put pressure on Saddam to find out whether or not he's using as producing nuclear weapons. At the time. I said that your reason all right I get it. That was the rationale was. That's the way to not go to war because I didn't believe. Yeah those nuclear weapons. I didn't believe you. Weapons of mass destruction and you may remember the debates. We had after that period about when Colin said anyway so that was the rationale what happened. Was We determined that they hyped? What in fact was occurring. The didn't there is no concrete proof of what he was doing and they still went to war and the irony of all. These is the first thing that Barack Obama did when I got elect. When we got elected President Vice President was turned me and say and the war not a joke. You run the deal to bring out one hundred and fifty plus thousand combat troops from from Iraq. And I did so you know the idea that I took the word of president saying that he wasn't going to go to war and this was the way to avoid going to war was in fact a mistake. It wasn't mistake. I've acknowledged that fifteen years ago but the idea that Bernie Sanders judgment on foreign policy is superior to mind I find I'm anxious to Beta of final question. Before you go you've known Bernie Sanders along time. He's known you a long time. He calls you a friend. You call him a friend. What are you most admire about? Bernie Sanders most admired about. Him is his his consistency. What worries me? Though is unwillingness to ever acknowledge that anything he said are suggest is could have been a mistake And the second thing is that I wish he'd level more with all of us about what is proposals are going to cost what impact it can have on people like for example. He has sixteen trillion dollars of proposals out there. He thinks he can get it done. How's HE GONNA do that? They even just medicare for all. It's GONNA double the federal budget per year. I mean the idea that it's not gonNA affect taxes not gonNA require significant cuts in social programs around the. I just think that's surprise it'd be about. He started off saying Yup is going to increase taxes. They're going to require income taxes. You inquire withholding tax increase and all of a sudden the candor is gone and so I think Bernie Sanders a decent honorable man and I think we should be focusing on our substantive differences in anonymous way for example is attacking me and social. Security is just flat wrong. Plitt effect pointed out. It's just not true. I don't do things like that. I'm not GonNa do things like that and I think it's important that only helps elect donald trump. It doesn't help elect anybody on the democratic side. Mr Vice President. We're out of time because of your schedule and we will shake hands. I hope maybe next time I hope so too. I also thank you. Thanks for having me and up next. Tomorrow is our second Super Tuesday with six states. Voting this time including Michigan which saved Bernie Sanders campaign four years ago when he pulled off a come from behind big win in Michigan polling has Bernie Sanders behind once again in Michigan. Just like it did. For years ago will Michigan Give Bernie Sanders? The big win that he needs one more time. That's next with John. Holloman and Michel Michigan is to Bernie Sanders as South Carolina was to Joe Biden. Michigan is Bernie Sanders firewall. Everything is on the line tomorrow. Night for Bernie Sanders in Michigan. That is where Bernie Sanders won a key upstate upset victory against Hillary Clinton for years ago defying the polls in Michigan and keeping his campaign in contention for that Democratic nomination. He has to do that tomorrow. On our second Super Tuesday when six states will be voting with Michigan delivering the largest number of delegates. Like Hillary Clinton the Joe Biden has Mississippi. Locked up Joe Biden has significantly over Bernie Sanders in Michigan according to the latest polls but four years ago. Hillary Clinton had a twenty five point. Lead on Bernie Sanders in Michigan. The weekend before voting Bernie Sanders still pulled out a victory. Bernie Sanders campaigned today in Michigan and Missouri which also votes tomorrow. Here's some of what Bernie Sanders had to say in Missouri. If you want to defeat trump which all democrats through a majority of independents and some Republicans do we are back campaigns. We've got to transform this country so that we have an economy that works for you and you and you not just wealthy campaign contributors. Joe Biden's last word to Michigan voters. This was tonight at a rally in Detroit where Kamala Harris and cory booker made their first appearances on the campaign trail. After endorsing Joe Biden the best one to stand up for all of us in America and that person is one person that person's name is Joe by what we know is that we will not be overlooked and we will not be cancelled. So that's what this election is about. It's about saying we know we matter. We know the power is with the people yes. We have not achieved the ideals of our country yet. We all know that too but we know that if we stop fighting we will never get there and so we fight. That is the strength of who we are as a nation journalists cushion now you Michelle Cinder White House correspondent for the PBS Newshour in an MSNBC political analyst John Holliman National Affairs analyst for NBC News and MSNBC. He is also the CO host of. Showtime's the circus and editor in chief of the recount. Great episode of the Circus last night. John I want to start with you. we see Cory Booker Kamala Harris on their very first Campaign trail appearance with Joe Biden. And that's in Detroit night before at Michigan Votes Does it look like Joe? Biden can hold onto the lead the polls say he has there but while we're those polls wrong for years ago well Michigan really could either be Bernie Sanders undoing or it could be the boost that he badly needs. I remember four years ago. Breaking the news to Bernie Sanders on the phone in an interview. When he won Michigan I was a reporter for the New York Times and I said well. What do you think about winning Michigan? And he was stunned. He was excited because he knew he really needed that lead and he quickly turned into talking about the fact that Michigan was really the heart of where the trade rewards at hurt Americans in that. Tpp and all these trade deals that the Obama Administration and done that it'd really hurt people's lives and Bernie. Sanders is his bench. Essentially singing that same song. He's talking about the fact that Joe Biden was part of this administration. That hurt working class people in Michigan. But there's no coincidence that Joe Biden decided to roll out to the most powerfully powerful black voices in America to Cory Booker in common harassed two black senators to say. Look we are not the establishment and he said that to you tonight of course Lawrence. He said that establishment is not but some some people in a back room. It's black voters in particular. Who boosted me in the South? Who are the reason why this lead with Bernie Sanders and I think that that was a message? Both Bernie Sanders and to the People in Detroit. Show up for me. I need you to turn out. And if they turn out and Joe Biden will hold on to that lead. If they don't then Bernie Sanders might have this journal the shot we just saw. In addition the governor of Michigan on the stage which Biden. He was actually leaving the interview with me to rush over to meet the Governor of Michigan Michigan this morning so Bernie Sanders. Great Day in Michigan campaigning. Yesterday which I saw close in Michigan followed by Joe Biden coming into the state and closing big in Detroit tonight. Yeah I mean look. Here's the reality that four years ago. Hillary Clinton came out of Super Tuesday with the two hundred and ten pledged delegate lead and the race wins in Michigan we're Bernie Sanders won a huge surprise shocking upset victory but narrowly and the reality was although it gave him life and he fought on for next three months. His victory narrow victory of Michigan did nothing for him to make him closer being the nominee the delegate delegate delegate cry you gotta be proportional allocation you win a race in a squeaker both candidates walk away with basically the same number of delegates. Maybe you get a couple more so you can't close the gap tomorrow Night Bernie. Sanders desperately needs to win Michigan. But if he wins Michigan he's behind in the polls right now if he wins by a couple of percentage points doesn't solve his problem his problem is he's seventy five eighty delegates behind. Joe Biden right now and on the same Night Bernie. Sanders may manage to pull off another upset Michigan. Joe Biden is GonNa Crush Bernie Sanders and Mississippi. If African American TURNOUT TURNS OUT TO MISSISSIPPI WAY IT wasn't Alabama the way it wasn't all the African American heavy states on Super Tuesday and thirty one delegates. The Joe Biden. Mike Win Pretty much all of right. But that's a thirty net delegate win for Joe Biden and Mississippi let this point in the race landslides. Are What matters? You need them if you're behind and if you happen if you get them when you're ahead you're just making your lead more insurmountable and so job. I it looks Mississippi which Bernie Sanders abandoned a few days ago. I part of what you heard. Comma Harris saying they're in. That event was expressing the anger of a lot of African Americans who feel like Bernie Sanders is not performed. Well with them in two thousand sixteen is not perform well with them in twenty twenty and now to walk away from the State of Mississippi is both metaph is sending a terrible message to African Americans in the Party and also giving Joe Biden the landslide. That's GonNa make it harder for Bernie Sanders to ever catch up in this race. I'd like to get your reaction to the part of the interview. I was talking to Joe Biden about that Gut Punch that. A lot of women talked about last week when the finally the last woman with a chance in the race dropped out. Elizabeth Warren and then the discussion of the possible vice presidential choice that he might get to make and he pretty much. He came as close as he could to saying he was going to choose someone who what was on that debate stage with him already. He kind of went along with that concept of choice. While saying it's important that women be represented. It felt like we were getting close to his thinking on this at the right and I I thought about a lot of voters who told me that they were supporting Joe Biden especially in South Carolina because they wanted someone whose possible they thought to suburban women to people who they thought I'm voted for president trump and then voted for Obama in that they could in some ways convinced the white voters to maybe go with them if they went with Joe Biden but then they always were hoping those same voters that he would then go on and pick a woman of color specifically a black woman to be as VP. And if you listen to the president he was describing started a lot like comma here so I'm not saying pick her a lot lighter. Someone who is a black woman who has been on the national debate stage then you have her talking for him in being a surrogate in Detroit. It just sounded like it was like clearly this senator here but who knows. I got as close as I could with John. Home and Michelle senator. Thank you both for joining us. Really appreciate the stock market is crashing. The economy could be headed for session. Donald Trump says that's all fake news. Those are the words you used for fake nudes but he also says we need payroll tax cuts to help a workforce facing the grown virus and to prevent the economy from slipping into recession. Even though he's still says the economy is perfect President Obama's former economic adviser. Austin Goolsbee will tell us the hard truths that president trump's economic advisers might not be telling him that's next. Are you on the verge of losing your life savings or your job? Here's one answer. We have a great economy. We're very strong economy. But this game is blindsided the world and I think we've handled it very very well. That was the president after the stock market collapsed again today at the White House. Press briefing on Corona virus where the president made very brief remarks before ineffective fleeing the briefing room while Vice President Pence and others took a few questions earlier in the day. The president blamed the sinking stock market unquote fake news. But the news about crony viruses. Very real and it is not going to get better quickly. Which is why. The trump administration is now proposing emergency legislation to try to head off a recession before leaving the breathing tonight. Donald Trump identified one proposal to counter the economic effects of the CORONA VIRUS CRISIS. Going to be meeting with House Republicans Mitch McConnell. Everybody and discussing possible payroll tax cut or relief substantial relief very substantial relief. That's a big. That's a big number joining our discussion. Now is Austin Goolsbee former chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers for President Obama. He's now a professor of economics at the University of Chicago professor. Goolsbee your reaction to what the market is doing. What the what. The economy looks like six months from now. If we can tell. And the president's latest idea of a payroll tax cut at look. The market was the borderline in terror. You know it's it started. We had one of the worst weeks in many years. And then the flight to safety as the as the finance people call it of people go buying up treasury bonds because they think they're the safest asset in the world literally brought the interest rate to the lowest it's ever been so lower than in the financial crisis lower than ever and and that you saw today. The market drops people are nervous. They look at China they look at Italy. They see that there is severe severe slowdowns in places where they have to impose these quarantines and we're on the brink of what may be the biggest pandemic in over a century and it's clear the White House has no idea what's going on. They're not they're not testing. We had the president of the United States himself. Get up a few days ago and say we have only fourteen cases and pretty soon that will be down to zero and public. Health officials are in the United States and around the world is kind of looked at each other and said. Oh my God. Is there not a plan to try to slow the spread of this virus because that is the critical thing for helping the economy? The reason that people getting payroll tax cut is probably not the right. Answer is because a of people are going to lose their jobs so they don't pay payroll tax. People are retired so they don't pay any payroll tax but even if you give the people a payroll tax cut. They're not going out of their house because they're afraid to go to public places and at a large share of the US economy our services and the face to face kind of activities that are exactly what get hammered in this kind of a fear crisis. And so I don't really see the payroll tax is the obvious first step on that. Is there for step to take here to deal with the economic conditions? You I see any and what the stock market's doing. Yeah look I think. There are several first steps the and the backdrop to the first steps are we have to hope that this corona virus follow the pattern of a flu virus. Not Any bowl of virus which is to say that if we get to warmer weather and in the summer that we might have some kind of a respite that the infection rates might go down so the first thing is you don't want to have people having to go bankrupt and and you don't WanNa have to have them go to work when they're sick so I think paid leave is a absolute. I stab that we ought to be getting. Everybody paid leave and the thing about virus economic says I say that makes it different than regular. Is that with virus economics. The best thing you can do for the economy is has nothing to do with the economy. It's the slow. The spread of the virus often goes me. Thank you very much for joining US tonight. We really appreciate that. Is Tonight's last word?
1A Across America: 2020, The View From Michigan
"This is one A. on Todd's Willik in Washington Shington. It's a late Monday night in early. November crowds gathered at Devos Place Convention Center in Grand Rapids Michigan there to see candidate did donald trump and when he takes the stage. It's half past midnight. It's officially election day. Two Thousand Sixteen today is our independence. today. The American working class is going to strike back finally that day. Donald Trump did something even his staff didn't expect. He won Michigan Sixteen Electoral votes. The state hadn't onto a Republican since nineteen eighty eight trump won by fewer than twelve thousand votes his narrowest margin in any state the blue collar. Union Union heavy workforce that was once a reliable base of democratic support fell to the Republican Party along with Wisconsin and Pennsylvania in all fewer than eighty eighty thousand votes across these three states swung the election to Donald Trump as we look forward to two thousand twenty. A lot of people are wondering if this was an anomaly. Was it it just a protest vote against Hillary Clinton or is the democratic. Party's base undergoing a more permanent realignment. Today we're going to explore by talking talking to voters from three areas of the Detroit region each representing an important political constituency for winning Michigan in twenty twenty. It's part of our one A.. Across America Arca project with Michigan Radio and five other stations are one across America producer. James Morrison takes it from here. Kathleen van Poplin Linden. I are walking just off main street in Rochester Michigan. It's an affluent suburb about an hour's drive. North of Detroit black squirrels with Brown tails dart between new homes. Homes that line each side of the street. There's all sorts of crazy we'll schools around Ben Poplin and her husband have lived in the city of roughly twelve thousand people for more than four decades. She was a registered nurse. He was a police officer. They're both retired now the most of their time. In this area their neighbors have been managers and executives with the big automakers in Detroit subdivision. You can bowl down the middle of the street when it was. GM breaks or holidays. or whatever because everybody's gone lots and lots of money or local hospital made so much money because everybody had the cadillac literally and figuratively insurance from General Motors. They used to call back in the day. General Motors those white collar. Auto workers made this one of the richest places in the nation during the eighty s and into the nineteen ninety s while the population of nearby Detroit is eighty percent black. The population here is ninety percent. White it's been a Republican stronghold for decades but that's changing van. Poplin says she's voted for every Republican presidential candidate since Nineteen seventy-two except for Donald Trump. He's like a tyrant you could. You could tell that. He really didn't have full grasp of a lot of the issues. She voted for a third party candidate but decided to give trump a chance. Once he won that disillusionment hit pretty fast that that he is just completely ill equipped to be our president. If you hit me I'm GonNa hit you two times as hard. It's like what in the second grade. I mean it's just ridiculous. The child is childish. Mentality has even towards world politics in two thousand eighteen. Her dislike of trump trump letter to do something she never did before she considered voting for the areas Democratic candidate for Congress Elissa slot can. She says she likes Slatkin's integrity her. CIA Ta background inner promise to make prescription drugs more affordable not only did van Poplin end up voting for Slatkin. Jackie Bradley campaigned for her. I actually ended ended up knocking on doors making phone calls. There is no in the world I would have ever done that. You're you know prior to that adver. I don't care what was but I felt it important that she get elected acted women. Voters like Van Poplin held slot can win Michigan's eighth Congressional district and flip a house seat blue that had been Republican control for nearly two decades. Ben Ben Poplin represents a new constituency for Democratic candidates suburban Republican women who defected from the Party under president trump. She's white fiscally conservative creative socially liberal in restrictions on access to abortion. She says show vote for a Democratic presidential candidate in two thousand twenty. But only if it's a moderate and I just feel the Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot because if you don't want trump reelected you gotta show strong front and give us somebody that we can vote for. But if you give me some wild eyed so far to the left who king see that ended the bell curve person leaving me no choice. The Democratic Party Mighty Mary gaining support from fiscally conservative women like Van Poplin. But it's losing support from white blue collar workers like Brian Eno and climbing into his new Ford F to deep fifty pickup truck and Clinton Township Michigan a suburb about thirty minutes. North of Detroit ahead to have a betsy. I can't have that then. I don't want us to buy the truck we spoke with Dino on one last May since then his business has continued to grow which is why he's needed the new truck. My life is totally died a wide eighty and the last three years and You Know I. I can't attribute it to any other thing other than the fact that Donald Trump's in office to hinault in voters like him help to Barack Obama and Joe Biden Wind mccomb county with nearly fifty four percent of the vote in two thousand eight eight the same voters then back trump in two thousand sixteen to give him a victory of the same margin many credit this swap party allegiances as the reason trump won Michigan. Denno drives me through a manufacturing corridor on the edge of Detroit to show me why president trump is popular here. I mean you can see. Here's hope and science very little space as for lease I mean to the roads. Still talk they sure do but I mean look man. We're getting there. You know. See luck you got a fairly building right here. And he got people walking on the roof. There's only one reason they're putting a roof minus because they're gonNA lease it out. All these places used to be empty. You should've seen this James James. You should have seen this five six seven years ago. This place was a ghost. Town trump pence twenty twenty signs proudly displayed and business windows up and down groesbeck avenue to Hinault credits. Trump's trade policy and deregulation agenda for fueling the economic recovery people here have been eagerly awaiting for decades cades as we cross eight mile road into the city of Detroit to Hinault pulls down the street lined with homes in disrepair roofs caved in windows shattered. A minivan sits directly on the pavement. NO TIRES NO DOORS NO WINDOWS DINO says this is why Democrats will have a hard time winning back. Blue caller voters in the suburbs of Detroit. And all this Detroit man that's a Democrat stronghold of Democrat strongholds. This is what you're Democrat policies. Did this is where my family's been here for three hundred years. I didn't come to America. America came to us. This is what policies did the my city. He doesn't understand policy this. This is just indication. I am an activist advocate agitator and a small business owner case in works all over the majority black city city of Detroit. We're walking towards eight Mile Wall on the north side of the city. It's a six foot tall concrete barrier built separate white families from black families at the height of red lining joining a policy that used race to determine where banks in the. US government loan money. Baking it a home loan to fix their roots because they lived in a good neighbourhood. This community got no home loans because they was in a community that was deemed Had A red letter grade. They got to have the upkeep of theirs they did it as we drive towards downtown case and takes me past an area area where black families were historically segregated next to heavy industry. You smell that you smell it. Yes it was like burning rubber and this is what these people have to live with case and says policies that have denied black twitter's loans segregated them near industrial production and busted their labor unions. Unions are responsible for many of the problems people here face. She says that's not solely a failure of the Democratic or Republican Party. It's a failure of capitalism. She says that's why messages of progressives like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren Resonate with voters here the case and says she still not ready to rally behind any of the candidates. None of these people are speaking to things that apply to me you know. None of them are relief speaking to issues that affect black people and for them. I'm to totally disregard us. Because they know that we're going to vote democratic anyway as kind of insulting is extremely salty. This is one of the most lethargic graces that I've been in because I feel sad. I feel sad that this man just might win again because nobody is is looking to talk to the black people to energize the base and this frustrating case says Democrats have taken black votes for granted. She says that's partly why Hillary Clinton got nearly one hundred thousand fewer votes than Barack Obama did in Detroit. Eight years earlier. She drives me to midtown Detroit to explain. Why uh this is no deaths rats? New This is new. This new business new. This is new. This is new place fine here possibly good chicken wings. Things on notice sounds black. But I'm serious. Case in says many of Detroit's black families are being left out of the city's newfound economic prosperity she says Democrats need to offer black detroiters policies. That allow them to access the same economic success as their white neighbors. She says if Democrats are expecting black detroiters to simply turn up to vote against president trump. They're making a huge mistake. A vote against trump is not vote in now for black people. It worked for white people. 'cause they voted for trump against hillary but That's not going to win over black people it might might it might energize other bases. But that's not an energizing as for black people we need our issues addressed period that was Kathleen van pop and Brian to hang on and just syndication. Speaking to one A.. Across America field producer James Morrison won a across. America is a collaboration with six stations around the country including Michigan public radio. It's it's funded in part by the corporation for public broadcasting. We'll coming up. Are Democrats prepared for the challenges. They face in Michigan is Donald Trump ready to repeat repeat his thin win and what about foreign interference in Michigan. That's all coming up here on one a stick with us on twitter this message comes from. NPR sponsor legalzoom. It's easy to make the same old New Year's resolutions that won't stick so change it up this year fair use legal zoom to do something impactful in your life for over nineteen years. LEGALZOOM has helped more than four million people providing resources for resolving your personal and and business legal needs. Legalzoom isn't a law firm so you can count on their network of independent attorneys for advice. More information is available at legalzoom dot com slash rush. NPR The indicator is a little show. The tells big stories about the economy in just ten minutes. Tackle important topics like unemployment housing housing market and how Justin Bieber seved the Icelandic economy that happened. NPR's the indicator from plant money. Listen now this is one A.. I'm todd's Willett. Were talking about Michigan. And we're talking about shifting party allegiances ahead of the election in twenty twenty joining me now is Zoe Clark Co host of. It's just politics on Michigan. Radio One of our across America partner stations. Zoe Great to have you back on one A.. Hey It's great to be here. Happy new yeah. Happy New Year to you. Also joining us is Whit Ayers. He's president of Northstar opinion research which does polling and research for Republican candidates wit. Great to have you you talk good to be with you Joe. Sano is with us as well. He's a democratic political consultant based in Michigan owner of dishonest strategies. Joe Great to talk to you again. Well thank you very much so we just heard from several voters there in Michigan your neck of the woods. Did anything surprise you about what they had to say their their communities their excitement about voting twenty twenty and what might bring them to the polls. Y- I mean I think the surprising thing that shouldn't be surprising at this point though right is just how how divided Michigan is and just how divided the country is the eighth congressional district where we started in in. That lovely piece is so the epicenter right. A district that went for trump in sixteen and then Elissa Slatkin Freshman Democrat credit moderate moderate Freshman Democrat. one and so all eyes on their all is well in the city of Detroit and and what can be done for Democrats there as as we heard. Many Democrats in the city stayed home in sixteen. I will always say that it was less than Donald Trump actually one michigan than Hillary Clinton lost. I mean we have to talk about that. You have to talk about what went wrong for Democrats in the same breath is what went right for Donald Trump and Republicans. Turnout turnout turnout. Four hundred and fifty thousand Obama voters did not back Clinton did not come out in two thousand sixteen and so you know. Tell me that doesn't have something to do with excitement. And that is where where Democrats in Michigan need to work. Their tails off is to get folks out to vote on election day. Okay we'll wait airs. You've been doing some of the researcher. Look President. Trump won Michigan by fewer than twelve thousand votes in two thousand sixteen a Democrats. Meanwhile had major victories in two thousand eighteen. They flipped to Republican congressional seats back to Blue Day. Retook the governor's mansion after eight years of Republican rule and they want a lot of down ballot state level races Is that a warning sign for Donald Trump in Michigan. What does he have to do to win the state in twenty twenty? Because I don't think that winning by twelve thousand votes in barely Squeaking away as a strategy. You're exactly right. I think James I two interviews with his Poplin and Mr Danau captured captured perfectly. The remarkable shifting sands of American politics that we saw in two thousand sixteen that were reinforced reinforced in two thousand eighteen. In Two thousand sixteen five times as many voters voted for someone other than the two major nominees they did in two thousand twelve Two hundred fifty one thousand people vote went to the polls and voted for someone other than Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton compared to only fifty one thousand two thousand twelve. So when you've won the election. Donald Trump won by ten thousand seven hundred and four votes. It's less than eleven thousand votes. If you have the Democrats nominate someone like Bernie Sanders and the choice for people like Kathleen Van Poplin is is donald trump or Bernie sanders that two hundred and fifty thousand other voters is going to grow dramatically. And you're going to have a lot of people voting but not for one of the two major nominees because they feel they have no choice. Zoe Clark is a Bernie Sanders. Nomination run in Michigan in November a Fundamentally Different Race Than Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden running for president and this huge swath of people that airs pointing to the didn't vote for anybody at the top of the ticket or at least not the major party candidate. I think it's too early to tell but what I can tell you in Michigan. Is that before Twenty Sixteen November Twenty 2016 many folks in Michigan Joe Desario so smart will be able to talk about this too We all were shocked March Eighth 2016 when Bernie Sanders beat Hillary Clinton here in Michigan in the primary and that should have been an indication right then To the Clinton campaign wait a second there is not something. Something shocking or surprising could happen again in November Chris Email to say Hillary was never as was never likable. Likable as a candidate for me. But I would have. I never would have voted for Donald Trump. I do hope others give Bernie a chance as I will in the primaries and careers tweeted. I'm yeah detroiter. Lifelong Democrat finally feeling energized. By this cycle the left word move. The party is finally catching up to us. Black families don't have time for more cowardly cowardly incremental ISM Joe. It makes me wonder what the strategy is for Democratic presidential candidates in Michigan. They have a lot of choices. Do you go after. Moderate Republicans turned off by trump. Do you go try to win back. Those White Blue Collar voters that abandoned Democrats. You go heavy on turnout. Try to get black voters out in Detroit and give black folks a reason to vote democratic in two thousand sixteen I know you're tempted to say all of the above but drill down. Well I I do think it's a bit of a saw. Aw false choice. I do think you can find a winning message that knits together as many of those groups as possible You know my personal opinion is the most successful effort is probably probably pretty pragmatic. It's what I tend to do Democrats need to stick the meat and potatoes issues. That need to be talking about the cost of health care. education The environment climate change all the above They have to. I hate to use this word but triangulate find out the common interests between between all three and then hit that sauce and fighting. The War of two thousand sixteen again is is ridiculous because twenty twenty one to nothing about dumping like that now now beyond spectrum tweets this and I don't know how many beyond spectrums there are in Michigan and the democratic ranks. I'm a black registered independent who resides in Michigan. I'm not super excited about what I'm seeing from the Democrats but I'll crawl over broken glass to cast a vote against Donald Trump. That's from beyond the spectrum wit. You have said that this election will have the highest turnout in generation because every one is energized no matter where on the spectrum or beyond the spectrum they dr that's exactly right in two thousand eighteen. We had the highest turnout for a mid-term election in over a century. You have to go back to one thousand nine hundred fourteen to find a comparable turnout in a midterm election. People feel so intensely about Donald trump either for for him or against him that. You're going to have a huge turnout. But I have to say. I agree with Joe about the kind of Democratic nominee. That's most likely to be competitive competitive. It's going to be somebody. Within shouting distance of the centre who can appeal to the vast middle of American politics the fact that Bernie Sanders beat Hillary Clinton in the Michigan Democratic primary tells you nothing about the general election. What it tells you? Is it Michigan. Democrats are really liberal. No but I think it portends for for what. We're looking at that if that if you thought voters were sort of going to be at least moderate Democrats were going to be okay with Hillary Clinton Clinton no it. It really showed that there is some real frustration within the Democratic Party and there was also folks who said look in sixteen if trump hadn't hadn't of won or you know I would have voted for Biden or or for Bernie Sanders In terms of of Joe Biden Michigan. I think you also have to be very aware in terms of just the ground around level in the city of Detroit that Mike Duggan the Mayor of Detroit has already come out for Biden. And so when you're talking about turnout in the city what can what can Mike Duggan Do if if Biden is indeed the candidate. Zoe Talk a little bit about the swing voter in Michigan because the swing voter is always cast. Is the person who could vote Democrat. Crat could vote Republican nominee independent ham swing voter news media. Come talk to me but I want to repackage the swing voter because the swing voter in Michigan and a lot of other places. It seems to me Might be the person who is deciding whether or not to sit it out altogether. Give me a reason to vote. Maybe hasn't voted in several other elections elections might have come out for Barack Obama. Maybe not you mentioned a staggering statistic four hundred and fifty thousand people four hundred and fifty thousand. Is that Michigan's true. Bruce Swing voter that you have to get to. I think it's the folks that need that incentive. Look what we know and Joe Dishonor knows this. Well when folks turn out to vote in Michigan the Democrats win four point. Eight million people voted in eighteen again predictions of close to six million. That to me looks like folks wchs are excited to come out but yes and this is why I will continue to say this antidote about Hillary Clinton and Donald trump that it is not so much much that Donald Trump won Michigan. It is enough frustrated. Folks just said you know what I don't I don't see a point or I'm not excited or I don't believe this is actually going to change is things and now what we're seeing is motivation among voters. That has really changed. That Glenn Gareth Group came out and says in Michigan motivation. To vote is at nine nine point five a number. They use that as his storing levels here in the state so those are the numbers. And of course there's always the anecdote to oppose the rule because has joe K.. tweeted this I agree with your Cinde. There is no one energizing. The black vote the rainbow vote any votes for the dams. There's no passion from the left here in Western in Michigan and I could tell Hillary was going to lose when I went to her rally in grand rapids in two thousand sixteen. Well I if I'm picking voters to motivate and turn out. I want the people who are durable. Who've who have a voting history? I mean I think it's a very positive development that we've registered over a quarter million people color here in the state since it's twenty sixteen. I think that's incredible achievement I think it needs to be tempered a little bit the excitement. The curb your enthusiasm so to speak The fact that a lot of those folks are GonNa be rather transient and they're just purely life where they moved quite a bit. So I want the durable repeated voter who. I didn't get last time. And that's the that's the suburban urban college educated or highly educated women. And I would be. I would push back against anyone who would show those people are. The big tent considered seems to me. We should not underestimate though The interview with with Brian They don't just say the Donald Trump inherited a good economy economy from Barack Obama. They give Donald Trump credit for the incredibly low historically low unemployment rate for the record stock market and the record job gains. So there are a lot of people out there black quite Hispanic whatever who were going to give? Donald trump a lot of credit for this economy. Me Right we pause there because Patricia emailed. I believe trump has a very good chance to win again. In Michigan folks are happy with the economy and the effect on their 401K's they're not thinking about the environment or loosening rules on corporations etc.. As many have said the Democrats need a good candidate still waiting now coming up. Is President trump locking taking down those voters in swing states while Democrats Vattel amongst themselves and what about election interference. That's all coming up on. Todd's it's one eight in this message comes from. NPR sponsor. Better help the online counselling service dedicated to connecting you with a licensed counselor to help you Overcome whatever stands in the way of your happiness. Fill out a questionnaire and get mashed with professional tailored to your needs. And if you aren't satisfied with your counselor you can request a new one at any time. Free of charge visit better help dot com slash one eight to get ten percent off your first month. Get the help you deserve with better help. It seems like you really like podcasts. But never thought about making one okay so we have a guide for you especially if you're a kid in school and WanNa make a podcast of your own check out the new podcast from NPR's student podcast challenge. Listen and share with your friends. We're talking about shifting political allegiances in Michigan a critical razor thin swing state in the upcoming presidential election. My guests are Zoe Clark. Clark Co host of. It's just politics on Michigan. Radio which airs President of Northstar Opinion Research which does polling and research for Republican candidates and Joe Tucson. Oh he's he's a democratic political consultant based in Michigan owner of dishonor strategies. Now some of you have also had stories to share on this issue. Here's what if you listeners left in Our voice mailbox originally. I voted for president trump. But I'm not going to do that. In twenty twenty. What really did it for me? It was the locking children in cages. I grew up in Rhode seat. I moved to a blue state About ten years ago I considered myself a lifelong Democrat Democrat But hostility towards gun rights is something that has slowly sort of pushed me towards abandoning The party that I've been that belong onto my wife. I left the Republican Party shortly after the Charlottesville incident when president trump was incapable of saying that Nazis. Nazis are bad at that point. I realized that the Republican Party had left me behind As a lifelong Republican. I'm a little lost in the woods now but I will never be voting Republican again until they clear up their act that was highly from Oklahoma John from Washington and Maria from Delaware. Thanks for sharing in your thoughts with us so he Clark those weren't Michiganders' but they probably share common mind with a lot of Michigan as they think about their party or about the election. Did you you hear anything familiar. There I mean I think there's there's yes of course I mean this is what voters are struggling with right now but I want to go back to something living that Joe was talking about right. which is those kitchen table issues? The pocket Bush Book Issues Right. The economy prescription drugs. We heard about a guns wins right that that voters I talked to continually want to talk about the issues and in eighteen. The candidates in Michigan that we A saw many of whom were women stayed away from talking directly about trump. In fact there was a lot of strategy to to talk about health care and to talk about jobs jobs to talk about education. And that's GONNA be fascinating. How much of this is? The Republican Party left me or I don't like what trump is doing verses. What what does this actually mean in terms of issues for me? Robert E mail vis trump's promise of the return of manufacturing has not happened the farms that bore trump mm signs are struggling due to his tear force and many in Michigan and outdoor state opposed his environmental policies trump may face a different electorate in twenty twenty twenty says Robert Whit Ayers that it may be mentally different I think what's more likely to be. Fundamentally different is the Democratic nominee Zoe made a really important point. And that is. Hillary Clinton was a historically unpopular democratic nominee If the Democrats triads nominate someone who is less unpopular than Hillary Clinton I think chances will go up substantially But I I don't don't know that. The electorate is going to be fundamentally different but the mix the the way people are moving. That is the people who used to vote. Republican and like Ms Van Poplin are no longer doing so but the people who used to vote Democrat like Brian to now are now voting for Republicans. Now now let's look at the view of Washington from Michigan. The House is sending impeachment articles to the Senate today and at the top of the show. We talked with three. Those three voters for Michigan again from different political backgrounds and none of them said that they really care very much about impeachment. Our vote on the right side is purely political or vote around the let said. It's a distraction from those issues. We the ones you just mentioned. Joe will impeachment have any discernible impact on this election in Michigan. Do you think okay. Well I would tend to think not Because simply put we don't get to choose the issues that motivate voters. Now I would. I'd say this that the turn out the turn out in twenty twenty is you're witnessing I'd love to hear wit which opinion on this. You're witnessing the generational honoration change in parties. You're the coalitions are reassembling and right. Now it's difficult to pinpoint exactly who who is going to be in the pool of voters next November. That's why you want to keep your options open and be flexible so I'm not sure if I'm really getting at getting at your answer. Well not quite. But it's but it's an interesting point I'm happy to take it. Wit Joe's point is that Donald Trump and some other factors have been fundamentally disruptive to the electorate. Do you agree yes. It was a point I just made. Yeah where you have all these suburban white women becoming Democrats or at least voting for Democrats and the Blue Collar Democrats now voting for trump. But your question was about impeachment and it's hard for me to see how impeachment is going to have a significant effect effect on this election. Come next November unless we find out something dramatically new the question though is this persuasion election or it's eternity election. I think it's far more overturned. Election and Democrats are going to have to make a decision about the blue collar voters. I mean I think you you. Oh you approach those voters on economic issues bone it comes to gun control. I think you just gotTa you know. Wish him well and walkaway wit is is that true in Michigan and also in the other two states. That always get lumped in with Michigan when we look at Twenty Sixteen Wisconsin and Pennsylvania Union heavy states white blue collar voters gun owners. Joe says wish them well bid them farewell. Drawback from Michigan is at the same in the other industrial swing states in the north there. Well I I think Joe's right in the sense that we're undergoing or maybe undergoing a realignment right now It's hard for me to see those voters coming back as long long as Donald Trump is the leader of the Republican Party and the leader of the country if we have different nominees in twenty twenty four that send a different message then maybe some of them will come back but as long as donald trump is the president. I agree with Joe on that one so we must says this is is not mentioned. Is that Michigan. Voters passed the promote the vote ballot proposal. Which makes it easier to vote much easier? Same Day registration. No longer requiring excuse to get an absentee ballot. How this make a difference in Michigan huge and I think it goes back to write the the excitement but also it is just easier To vote or will be during that same point Michigan as well passed a redistricting reform To put it into a Independent Commission so that's another really fundamental thing in terms of the state that that is going to redraw congressional maps and as well as making it easier For voters to turn out not just on the day of the polls we gotta go in just a minute and before we do wit you get thirty seconds Joe you get thirty seconds. Strictly enforced wit. I would like you to make the best pitch for a Democrat in Michigan based on what you know what should they be saying. That's not my job honey. To which very quickly. Yeah if it's Joe Biden or Michael Bloomberg or some other older white guy. They're going to need need a a a woman as their running mate. Michigan has a new attractive pragmatic. Female Governor Gretchen Whitmer who she gets gets picked as a VP nominee could really up end intellectual. Oh Joe We did have a piece of advice even though he didn't WanNA give it. The Governor of Michigan might be in a a good VP choice. Well I think governor whitmer would be an attractive choice for for VP in in any election. I think she would not welcome the attention because I think she's focused on in her job as governor and. It's pretty daunting job. And she's doing a terrific job that will translate to the national stage quite well. But I don't WanNa do anything to To help make her Less effective governor saw just leave it. There Michiganders' i WanNa thank you for hosting us in your state for this one. A across America look back at Your Razor Thin State Zoe Clark. Oh host of. It's just politics on Michigan Radio. Whit ayers president of Northstar opinion research doing research for those Republican candidates enjoyed Asano Zano is always democratic political consultant based in Michigan owner of dishonest strategies. Thank saw sure. This conversation was produced by James Morrison in collaboration Asian with Michigan Radio One of our one across America partner stations across America is funded in part by the corporation for public broadcasting. And we thank at them for their support as we bring you coverage of key states key communities and your communities ahead of the twenty twenty election including Michigan and the areas areas around Detroit this program to you from W. Amu part of American University in Washington it's distributed by NPR. I'm todd's will thank you so much for listening thing this hour. This is one AH.
Episode 1093 - Ben Bailey
"Hey folks unspoiled is the podcast. Where Comedian Paul Scheer and film critic? Amy Nicholson watched. The greatest American movies of all time. They're going through. The AF. Is Top one hundred films list. Everything from citizen Kane to psycho to raiders of the lost Ark Discovering. How these classics hold up and how they've influenced the film's uh-huh of today? They also have great guests like Spike Lee discussing. Do the right thing and Ryan Johnson who directed the last Jedi and knives out. Check out unspoiled on your favorite podcast APP with new episodes every Thursday. Alright okay. Let's do this show doc. All right. Let's do this. How are tell you what the fuck is what the fuck buddies? What the fuck stirs? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. W T F. I'm not home. I I gotta be honest with a as maybe you can tell from the last episode of my show if you listen. I've been a little cranky little out of sorts a little on edge and I am still that that but I'm going to try to track it. I'm going to try to try to be happy for all of us. That's what I'm going to. I'm going to try to be chipper for everyone. I'm in Atlanta. I just got here. I'm here for one more day shooting of the film respect and it's a The church scene. It's going to take place what it's what it's representing. What we are filming is re THAs recording of her amazing amazing grace concert which oddly I just watched on the airplane flying out here is kind of profound in a way and I tried to find Jerry Wexler among among the people in the film Sydney Pollack shot the film? I Guess Spike Lee had something to do with sort of resurrecting the pieces of the film. Something went wrong with it. I don't know the exact story. The record is great. That's been reissued and is the biggest selling gospel album of all time to this day Abbott the film was Somehow incomplete and They they've they've put something together but it's interesting to see aretha doing doing that concert or that sir. Really a church service knowing where she was at in her life and what she was going through and how much she needed to connect to her spirituality and just seeing her digging within herself to find those songs to connect with those guys aspel songs that she knows she was since she was a kid. It was Kinda it was Kinda wild wild to watch that with new eyes after having done this movie for Awhile and know the story of a bit more about where she was adding what was going on. And there's in Jerry Wexler documentary very little. I was hoping to glean a bit of information in terms of what am I wearing how. My facial hair looked. But I think we're just GONNA to keep steady and I'll be wearing something seventies which I probably not ash probably exactly from the seventies. I'll be wearing something from the seventies no doubt so I'm here in Atlanta and I'm a little unhinged I've completely swept off of my righteous eating behavior. I think something something to do with my back being fucked up not being able to exercise and You know having gone through the holidays and not quite wrangled back in I'm strung out I'm fucking sugar and meat in garbage and I can feel the pounds coming back and for those who know me not a great place to be not a great a place for any of us to be. We feel it happening. You can't stop it from happening and I'm thinking about is fucking rip into those Kit. Kat Bars in the whatever you call how it got some shit in the room. I already went through the cashews. The gave me some trail mix as a welcoming thing fucking. There's mini mini twix. There's keep cats over there pringles shit about pringles. I don't care about chocolate chip cookies. Fuck man now. Everything's looking looking pretty good. That's not true. It's not so things that aren't looking good but let's go over these dates okay like tonight. I mean Cleveland Ohio at the Agora Theatre. There might might be a few tickets left. I don't know tomorrow I'm in Grand Rapids Michigan at the Fountain Street Church. That's Friday night and there's definitely tickets tickets went for this. I don't know what grand rapids is all about. I've done the festival there. I remember it was okay. It seems I remember it being clean city but I don't know how how they feel about. Marc Maron I've sold about six hundred seven hundred tickets in a place. It's like eighteen hundred. I could use some more people there but not if they're going to be shady people for. I'm glad you're coming but you know I don't need it. I don't need to the half houses. I could've played a smaller place if there was what. Maybe there wasn't one but that that's the situation and I'm just letting you know we're a matinee not all comics will let you know. Look I. There are some cities I can sell thousand tickets or some cities I can sell eight hundred. What are you going to do? I'm fine with it and I hear that they also have a meetings at that church so I might double up going to do a show gift fucking straight with the sobriety thing maybe unload some of this bile maybe get myself out of this dry zone. This brindell riddle resenting self loathing zone into something more self loving and open and ready to share zone move. I quit shelvin ship my mouth for five minutes. That would happen. Easier Milwaukee Wisconsin that shows tight. That's a I'm also vowed over there. Turner Hall Ballroom Saturday night February first. Then I'm in Orlando Florida. Come down. It's nice to have you February Fourteenth Valentine's Day show promised by then I'll feel really full of love that I will share with you all Then I'm in Tampa Florida Strasbourg's good tickets sold their there February Fifteenth Portland Maine State Theatre February twentieth. Providence Rhode Island. That's working good Columbus Theatre February twenty first new Haven Connecticut at College Street. Music Hall February twenty-second Donnington in New York. The paramount February twenty third. You can go to W. T. F. pod DOT com so I store for links is to all the venues and I I can't promote it any more than I have. I mean if you didn't see them coming. I did everything I could die mentioned as you might guess. Today's Ben Bailey. I have always liked Ben Bailey. He's the host of cash cab. People love that show it's back and and It's on Bravo right now. So so he's also on tour across the country. You can go to the Real Ben. Bailey DOT com. I'm for venues and tour dates. But he was a interesting guy. Funny Guy Tall Guy but something dark and brooding inside of him. I didn't know what it was but we talked actum in years ago and more vulnerable points in both of our lives at. He hasn't seen a remember but I remember. I don't remember when or where it happened but we got caught up it was it got pretty interesting. There was a fish involved coral coral involved in a fairly profound way. I think. But that's coming your way about to happen enjoy that I'm in this fancy room. They I've been stay in this hotel on enough for months now and they put me in this on the top floor and and directly across from me is an apartment building with a wall of windows into apartments I can I just see like hundreds of little boxes of different lives and some of the lights on some. TV's Ron kind of looking for people walking around by any. I'm not being weird. I'm not Benach Yours. I'm I'M NOT GONNA I'm not sitting here with the lights out in my windows open looking for something to happen. I would L- I would be nice to just walk across. And maybe see someone sitting at their desk ask compulsively eating shit. That's not great for them. Maybe also doing a podcast. What are the odds of that? Sadly very high. There's got to be someone in that building across the way that's doing a podcast. Maybe not right now maybe not tonight but tomorrow the next day. That's where we're at as a culture. I'm pretty sure that in that building that looks like it has by the forty floors in maybe five six hundred units. There's gotta be someone who calls himself a stand up comic and maybe two people doing podcasts. That's what I say but I don't see anybody just sitting there eating sadly sadly 'cause I would wave to him but that would be weird right if I just sat here and I walked into somebody over there just sitting there. Eating ice cream had the kitchen counter and I just stood up and I started waving my my my arms frantically just to connect with them but it's sort of like save me save me. Can you help me please. And they would call the police and say there's someone in trouble on the twenty six four of the lowes hotel. Yeah maybe you should send somebody over but really the cry for help was was from myself. And that's what I would tell the cops he. Okay Sir Yeah I was just I was in trouble and I was Kinda drowning in my own sort of self flagellation and self pity and darkness and self loathing. So I was. I was actually just waving. I was trying to connect with somebody. Felt felt the same way across the way but they obviously misinterpreted is interpreted it and they rat me out. They knew what was going on Kazura in the same place and they look at that sad. Fuck drowning hanging himself to call the cops make life difficult for Nat Senate. There was a they were probably actually concerned. None of this happened. I making it it up. So I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING TO CLEVELAND. I think I'm I'm toying with killing myself with food. It's where you get to a certain age here or I'm right on the line man. I'm fifty six years old. I can see it starting to happen in in my face and my head my you know I can feel like there's a transition you or I was you know Middle Age and then you just sort of become all by still I'm holding up but there's part of me like given the fact that like I got no kids wife got no debt my cats are diminishing slowly and the world is difficult so why not eat what I want to the point where I just clogged my heart up and it seizes. Why not enjoy enjoy but then the other part of me is like two doesn't feel good to be healthy doesn't it feel good to be in shape doesn't feel good to be skinny but yeah but from too skinny look really old pictures of myself I will myself on? TV like last year. Glow that season aglow. I looked at me. She aided in weird. My fingers were skinny and it was odd. I felt great. I was looking at myself in the mirror. Thing in this is fucking perfect and look seventy five years old. So maybe if I can just accept the fact. They're going to put on like ten twenty pounds. My face get fat. My parents will get tight my shirt so get fat and tight and I'll be all fucking kinda like like breathing badly and sweaty. Just you know getting up to go the bathroom but I won't. I'll look my i. I won't look old. I'll be filled up with that pork butter just puffy from butter. That's what I'm going to be. I WANNA be puffy from butter and a little out of shape so I have a sort of shine to me maybe just put butter on my face anyway. Enjoy that fucking ice cream over there in that apartment building. Look at me waving at you. Look at me wave at ZSA. Help help me help me. My backfield will better. Thanks for asking so Ben Bailey. This is this is a conversation. They've been they've been good lately. This is the one thing. Maybe when I get into this known I you know my need for connection is Is just like the old days the old. Wt Fs really gotta get in there. Really got to connect where we gotta feel the humanity. The people that I talked to so as I said before Ben is uh on cash cab some Bravo and he's on tour now and he's going to be for a while you can You can go to the Real Ben. Bailey dot com for venues and tour dates. And this is me back in the in the house talking to Ben Bailey and live in New Jersey. Oh you do okay. You're still back there for my recollection. You did cash capital And then you were out. There was no cash Josh camp for a long time for almost four years and then the dark period it was a little dark. It was a little bit of a relief though honestly honestly because You know we had made a lot of episodes. I had spent a lot of time. Dr Half thing and traffic they would they do. Yeah I I do too but you know you could burn out on some especially some that says involved. It's the lead me I I've been doing this podcast ten years and I'm barely listening to you. So you understand uh-huh sometimes people get out of the cab and crew will be talking about the people that were just yeah. I don't know who when they look lake. What did they say? Did I miss that. You're just on autopilot. I get it no. I'm not I'm definitely not I'm still I'm still engaged. You're still engaged. Yes good congratulations. But like I. I'm trying to remember like I remember like I can't remember when we first met. Because you're not like you're not of my generation you like the next one After me I'm behind like generation of comedians behind you. Yeah I remember when you were younger man And you were hat often. They believe I did. Oh my God I forgot. I forgot for the backward hat. My grandfather gave me that it was like a cap. Yeah it was like it wasn't baseball cap. It was like Irish cap cap. It was I still have it. You do yeah the hung it up. I hung it up. Yeah but where'd you come from originally I've kind of all all over the place but you in east coast guy. Yeah but I was born in Kentucky of all places. I lived in Michigan outside for a while. It was your family and Kentucky. My family's mostly in Michigan Michigan people. Yeah Irish kind of war The Bailey Bailey. More English than but it's probably aren't there are there Irish Bailey's there are. Yeah Yeah Yeah but not yours might know minor. We look down on the Irish pink. They're they're crazy. Control the Irish Bailey's please. But yeah so mostly Michigan but then ended up living in Kentucky. My Dad got a job working for General Electric from General Motors to General Electric so he was Like get corporate guy. He's a computer guy. Really when when that cards yes. Yeah actually interesting story They went. My parents both went to Oakland in Michigan Oakland University and he stayed for the summer and they got some on in some program they got one of the first one of the two first computers in the country like the IBM kind giant. Like the universe. Like it's a whole room you know but it wasn't like what stacks of cards. It was the medicated with He. And this other guy spent the summer learning how to communicate with the thing and and they actually got it to do some pretty amazing stuff. Yeah so pretty cool mathematical stuff that they were noted for but they had to make cards to punch holes patterns of holes in cars and feed feed them in. Yeah and like so. That's where he started. That's where his love of computers started so he's still in it now. So you know Ground Zero for computer. That was now he looks at our. You know everybody's got a supercomputer in their pocket or as you up because he understand the evolution of it. He does like when eight when they got rid of the car and they went to disks or floppies and the language what was a Beta cobalt cobalt. So he was up to speed with vow that shit he was. Yeah I mean my basement. No one had a computer before we had computers in the schools. We had our basement filled with computers. Like look like really. TRS Eighty from radio shack. What he was using because he was you know that whatever he was doing those are the ones he could get access to and use an early adapter of the computer? Peter did he might. Honestly my dad is like a computer genius like yeah he just knows them so well from that starting point. He's like if you if you're one of the first people to learn how to communicate at totally. We have to learn how to talk to this machine like we were giving him a hard time. The kids like there's no games pretty cool but there's no game I'm so he wrote a program and made centipede on the computer. Yeah out of brackets. The centipede was brackets. Yeah those were in place of the mushrooms a new little bracket somehow turned up. That you fired from yeah. It was amazing how he made it. He made it he wrote. The actual gaming centipede already existed there in one on your behalf so that was impressive. Yes we were like. Oh my God. How many really good at this? He's just to my sister and he was she do. She actually does kind of public speaking as well. She trains people use different types of software and stuff. So he's a computer person. Yup she travels around. Does freelance. Your mom your mom computer person. No no she's like creative type writer. Oh Yeah Eh. She's always a writer they still married. Yes there isn't that amazing. It is amazing. Yeah I'm marriages over here is still going like you. And I had a conversation during that period period of time when I was getting divorced and I think we did maybe Iran. I don't know outdoor. Is that what it was. Maybe it was like more in depth than that. I don't know where it would the been. I don't know if it was here. You think it was. It was at a party. Maybe didn't we went to Cantor's Oh was it. I think who into Kanter's one night with who me you and I always feel like. There's a third nate nate gate as I call him. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah yeah that was right around the time that I was. I've been through it but it was still lingering by just remember. There was a time where it was like. You're playing guitar. Earn a band studio at Your House. That's I just tell them about all. Those things are still the woman was it was just there was problems. Yes the You're leaning into the guitar a little more. I was I really was. Yeah we've now maybe that's a conversation. I don't remember. We really must have gotten into it was I was I. Maybe a little bit drunk when we had that really was I went to a very dark place through my divorce and I wrote some dark music. We've got to get. Its work up to that. Okay Okay yes sorry. That's okay okay so okay. So you're growing up in Michigan Your Dad's Ge and Michigan. Here's at General Motors back then in Michigan finishing school and stuff when so you had you and he was pretty young yeah. They're pretty young. Yeah so that's why they're like they there. What are they in their seventies? Yup seventy-five will younger than my folks. So all right so when do you move like when does he go to General Electric like when did you move seventy eight. And you move to where to Louisville Kentucky so you did High School in Louisville no I know then. We moved to Michigan Back to Louisville and then to Jersey. That's pretty much where I grew through Jersey. Nine I think so jerseys. The bulk of it. Yeah I guess I'M A Jersey boy. You are right not to harm in Michigan and Kentucky in earlier. I didn't really pick up. I don't have a thick jersey. Is your accent. There is yeah you think I think people habit yeah My parents are both from Jersey. I don't know if I have it. I don't know what it sounds like. Is it close to New York. I don't think you know it's close to. It would probably come out if I you mean it's sort of like philly ish got kind of like between Illionis your geography. It's been wingfield New York not quite as awful as Philly Philly so slightly worse than New York. So what did you go into high school. Were you in trouble. Yes yeah I was in trouble at school all the way through pretty much like uh-huh middle school hit once I made other kids last large Guy Grief Fighting Guy Not in high school not in high school he later then college a really. Yeah you put it off that long. I've just got in with these dudes and college and that's what we did. We drank and fought people. Yup unprovoked poked. Everyone was kind of everybody's kind of looking for it in that situation. You know young men looking for trouble looking for trouble something to prove. Yeah so however in high school I never gun fights like I was the opposite. Kids would try to bully me because I wouldn't get I didn't WanNa fight and huge but then when did that I grew late tall I I was told when I graduate. High School is like just about six foot and I weighed about a hundred and fifty pounds And then I grew. I was one of the taller kids at six foot. Six six to twenty. I didn't have any of this when I was in high school. We doing highschool drugs. No no not at all. WHO's no trucks at all my friends? You know we drove beers drank beers people by six pack outside the wicked storage. Yeah sometimes you go into the city. We'd take the train into this or you could drink eighteen. Then maybe you or we could go to like a deli by a case of getaway with fifty bucks or it looked like from Jersey. It's like you'll drive an hour and ten minutes. Yeah just to get the fucking beer yup and come back and then you're a hero. My friend and I we went and visited eleven thirty at night. We did it back my friend and I took the training And we brought a hockey bag and we loaded it. We didn't we didn't think about it. We noted it as God as much as we could beers beers wine coolers. Yeah whatever we could get. Yeah have a party but you bought him. It wasn't like we bought. We didn't steal them. We bought him for like five times what they should have cost at Bodega or something. Like a little Chinese couple owned the place. Yeah and we knew they would serve us. We couldn't carry the bag and we put so much into it. It was too heavy to carry the thirty feet at a time on the subway train. Yeah Body except you knew what it was because every time and we set it down and it was like we didn't get busted somehow. We made it all the way across our little hometown and everything and I look in for a couple of maybe they are yeah. I don't know so no interesting comedy in high school I I was interested in being funny. I knew that I like to be funny when it got when I made the other kids laugh. Laugh at school was when I kind of felt the best and I knew that about it you could disrupt the class with some confidence I could. Yeah and I. It's not once in a while. I make the teachers laugh. Yeah that's always. He's little bit reluctant. They're pissed off. You're disrupting but then you laugh and it doesn't. It doesn't end well like that though. It's not like they're going to like narrow. What you get squeak by? No no I got picked out of Class A lot. Yes I would still do okay because it wouldn't affect my grade right but they'd be like you. You're ruining your killing. You need to get out of your killing Out so but as far as like stand up I didn't see that much I mean I saw like some whatever I could get away with seeing tonight. You Know Harlan. and Richard. Pryor wasn't necessarily it wasn't like my I love stand up and I've always been very self-centered like it was always about me. I all right what can I do. What do I WANNA do right in in terms of just life so like standup But that that's exactly what you need for standup. Yeah I think so. I really stumbled into it. I always loved movies. Yeah what was would you so you just went to college with no goal or driver. I went to college to be a marine biologist. Believe it or not and for how long did that dream last The first year and then I got an idea of what it was going to be and and and I was like how much study the science mind that I like that part but I didn't want to be like broke on a boat by myself just like in compiling data. That's not the mets out of the water. Totally counting Algebra. And you know now what do you think made. Do you WanNa do that. To begin with. I always loved Jaaz like marine life. I have reef tanks to this day I still. I'm the reef tank. It's like a fish tank accents more about the corals than it is about the fish. Wait you keep living corals. I do saltwater tank and he manages Eh do who's taking care of them right now That kind of have created this little system so there's not as the maintenance is not as much but when I go home I'll be home in a few days. Yeah well you know you'll get involved maintenance on it which I like. It's like working in a garden. It's like Peace of mind kind of thing so you have living coral. Yeah amazing. They're like the coolest thing on earth to me. Yeah they're like somewhere between a plant and an animal. It's it's like a plant that moves around by itself is that what they they move. They do Carl. Carl moves yet the move around they attack each other. They fight over territory. You talking about the rocks in the ocean not the rocks. The rocks are there is such thing as live rock. But but it's not actually that the rock is why I've just has a whole ecosystem within it wasn't that coral is in Carl around Iraq or Carlos. Its own thing that live. Rock is kind of where what choral ends up as but no the corals are at the bright colored soft some of them are hard and they're very much a lot hardwoods. Don't move but the soft I want to do. So you have a bunch of soft coral. I do both moving. Oh Yeah Yeah. Are there fishing involved in this thing. There's only a few in there really because it's not really about the fish was so people come over and you got explained to him what they're looking at but they're interested you know sure not like where the fucking fish there really while these corals are amazing what are these is there a plot. It's like a huge tank. It's dash cab. Money Hundred Fifty Galaxia hundred fifty gallon by by today's fish tank standards Zander's. It's not that huge judging who standards of those very big to me. It's pretty big. It's like a bath. How many how many how many I have two two tanks two hundred fifty gallon tanks? Do you have a functioning aquarium at your house. I kind of could have kids over. Educate I could I have you know my come on in kids were coral. I can tell you I can tell you everything you need to know about. You have relatives nephews nieces. Yup Yeah and they come over and enjoy. Enjoy the Carl no one says. Where's the fish know? Everyone says where the fish it's not about the fish it's about the corals they were like really well the the. There's a few fish in there about they. Don't the clown fish that dancing. The enemies nominees. I do I have read bubble-tipped an anemones which for for a year we had one of them and it didn't they split is with how they were reduced. They split off. Yeah and that one didn't didn't put off for more than a year maybe year and a half maybe comfortable but it got comfortable in it boom like the whole thing is just. It's all over the whole. Thank you that's pretty cool. Invasive or is it just pretty It's a little bit of both. They're all they're all a little bit. Invasive they all want to expand and like claim more things as you have in the tank. Tell me the names because I like what was it. The red tip the red bubble tip anemone red bubble tip. You got plenty of those. That's where clown fish hung they host in it as the clown fish I do. They're the only fish I have left or a couple of whatever the other ones they died. And and here's the problem. I don't have a good quarantine tank doc. Would you need to introduce new fish so I'm just kind of stuck. What do you mean I have a good one? I haven't I have a quarantine tank but it doesn't and get as much attention as the other tanks and it's often the water is not hospitable for fish so I can't just buy a new fish and put them in there. Can you just keep an eye on that tank. I mean because because I'm doing cash cab and trial fine around doing tour I don't have. I don't have as much time as forward as I would like the Corinthian tank but the other stuff sort self-sufficient it's more self sufficient. Because I made it that way I have A. I have a system to mix the why if the make water if the purify the water and then add the Salt Charlie Shit so I kind of created a system to make that quicker easier. You are a marine biologist. I guess I am on a very small level and in my own little world. I'm just fucking awesome. I can't believe that you saw that in one second. I haven't noticed you living your dreams and you can have have it both ways. I think you have to spend your life on a boat. You have enough money. You got an aquarium at home. Yep Carl that you keep up keep up with and observe what are the other Carl's There's some frog spawn. Oh Nice which it's it's interesting freshwater equivalents of a lot of these things so there's like freshwater frogs bond we don't deal with freshmen? It's not the same stuff it's different. It's not as pretty or it's not as pretty. That's the great thing about the saltwater. Yeah the brilliant colors frogs frogs double red bubble. Timmy nominees and actually I have a whole bunch of new ones. That I don't even know what they're called. Because I found a place I go to order them and they they just send you what they call frogs little fragments of different ones. Try to keep them alive. And so that's that's the sort of. That's the nerd word that people who are in dicara. Kara wonder stand like frogs. Yeah Yeah how many friends have you got kind of what kind of you can't even answer that you don't know I don't know what kind of slacking on your marine biologist duties. Just throw it in the tanks would happen but see that's kind of how I am like It's a hobby that I put a lot into and everything but I'm not like crazy over over the top into it it doesn't like dominate me. I don't feel the need to know that exact name of everything but if I can sit and look at it and joy that then that's it's serving it's purpose. Yeah well I mean. Have you met people in the Coral Community Reef Geeks. Yes Riefqi yes. It's a real thing it's a term and and I have and they would know they would be so ashamed of me. Yeah they would they would not ashamed. AB perplexed by me. Because it'd be like why are you so into this and you don't know the names so the fucking corals. It's simple ben totally we do. Have one thing. It's a very specific thing. Can't enough for me. I know as much as I need to reef cakes but they would know that I could probably like post a picture of my tank and people would be like. Oh well that's through and label. They want you to do that. Okay now no I'll send I can send it to you know. I'm not that I just want you to keep up all right okay so before you got involved with the tanks I like this. This is your version this is this is luxury for you this. Is You know you made a little money. You know and you're gonNA get the tanks. Yeah well it's it's interesting you say that because The tanks originated when I was like in fourth grade. Oh when I was in high school I had fish tanks surrounding my bed really. Yeah like I would go in and lay down and I would be literally surrounded by and your parents were data. SORTA like it's good. He likes fish I think by then they were like well. That's what he's into. Who Right now? I always like dove hard into stuff but I wouldn't stuck around and and I didn't have tanks for years and years but these were not these larger tanks. No those refresh rush water back then which I wasn't responsible enough to meet some as a kid. No of course not be you bill you had it surrounding your bed yet. I had fish tanks on all sides of my dead and did you. Did you think you're underwater. It felt like it felt like I just loved it. I just wanted to be on fourteen. Wow something like that know. We'd know we'd no not until college that came later the fighting innovating and the week down in your old. I must have a strange animal. But I think we'll we're we're we're establishing is dead fish tanks always been part of your life except for in college when you're kicking people's asses and smoking. Yes well I didn't actually get back into the fish tanks until after my divorce and around the time of the guitar and then I was like Gosh playing guitar the whole time since I was twelve I played guitar so that was obviously looking around. You do too. I did not know that then. No nothing we discussed it. I think it's night night as part of that conversation jam. Oh we got like you came. Oh you're awake. People come over and jam sometimes New Jersey. Yeah at my place you should. We should do anyway. Mike Okay and then we never did what am I gonNA do. I live in California. I don't we have this conversation but I it seems we did because I know things. Yes I so it's bizarre. I'm sorry I don't remember the conversation. I don't know what playing musical along man me too since twelve. I love it but did you play in bands in high school or welcome in college. It's funny remember. Do you remember. G- African spits at all. Yeah he had about like the band the band that plays at the party in high school. Yeah and he's like this nick songs about chasing dreams Dream Chaser. Something that bit just sums up like what being in a band air quotes was like for me because we weren't very good. We weren't doing much but we would play like at a par three hardy. We'd play a couple of songs everyone's like all right. Stop please stop these. He never like there were there. Were definitely cats in high school. Were like doing it. Like cover bands. Yeah they could play like a bungee she shared. I was not one of those kind of band that you just talked about. Maybe we knew like four songs plays a couple of parties now the end of it but it's it's similar for me to all my other the things I didn't want to learn how to play cover tunes I wanted to. I want to write my own. Make my own music. Why do that now you know I never was a guy too? I think it's funny. That's interesting because I don't learn leads. I learned lakes and put together a lot of lakes but I never sat down and listened to try to learn van Halen. We'd or Mark Knopfler we'd or in a Mike Campbell. We'd I never you know like I'll do it with some blues wakes but I'm the same way and I think there's something about that like I think there's something about comedy where it's sort of like you know like this is for a as hard as it is in his crazy it is. It's sort of like the path of least resistance for those of us who don't want to work hard at other shit right well and who are like individuals like right role individual like once you start doing comedy and you want we're not gonNA slack off and we're GonNa work hard in which we have but it is sort of like it's totally up to you. Exactly yeah you know. We'll work hard but not on someone else's turn exactly own with guitar sort of like. Do you know how to play this week. It's like why would i WanNa do that. Yeah when I can make my own lead up. It's like gives gives a fuck about your lead and Yeah but the bothers me. I like to be better. I always hard on myself about the guitar and not as much with comedy but still with comedy to you why I'm not doing this. I'm not working hard enough or I should know more and more guitar yet. I do the same you do I do now. It's funny later in my life. I kind nine of had a little fun. Learning more covers write songs that I really love and go wait I think. Why didn't we do this? I could figure out a play that I've been playing the thing about the about musical instruments. There are always the same they could do it. You should be able to you too. Yeah just just say like learn how to play whatever and there's a guy going okay so interesting which I could do. I want a British guy. Do I want to take the British guy so I've had a lot of fun with that in the last few years. What my songs? Yeah my buddies so come over and I'd be like I got I got another one. You know what are you gotTa Drummer. I've a drummer and Bass player. I have a couple of guys each known all your life my drummer guy the drums. He is a professional drummer. Who I've known since fifth grade or something like that and they'll he'll fuck and so on the out with you he will? Oh Yeah that's nice. Yeah well we had a good time. I started a sabbath a black Sabbath cover band like ten years ago now. I message my buddy the drummer billy and my buddy back the bass player. Yeah I said I'm thinking of just like I just found Sabbath. I never was into them before but I like listen to. Yeah me too. Did you really yeah. I didn't have an appreciation for them when I was a kid. There's a lot of things that I not missed by just didn't know and like I knew Sabbath enough to I believe I think I saw them once when I was in high school. Bad wasn't a Sabbath Guy. Yeah no I wasn't either. I was more of Zepplin Guy Frazier and I was not allowed. There was no Ozzy Osbourne was allowed in my house. No no like my mom like heard stories of what Ozzie was no. There will be no really religious. Lady no not really just jerry out like moderately religion not obsessively but she. She just thought it was weird. She you know all the hype about him be sure a Satan worshiper and clear garbage but need your kid doing that. Let's let's stick with fish. Yeah Yeah you just focus on the fish tanks until they until I left one for for so long that the filter backed up and flooded. The house destroyed the ceiling downstairs and then it was like all right. Maybe maybe not maybe pull back back on this whole back on the fish. The Fish Hobby but so I messaged my buddies it said. Hey I'm thinking about thinking we should do a sabbath cover band. Hadn't talked to either one of them in a while. Yeah UH in less than thirty seconds. Both we're like I'm an. When do we start and I was like no shit so we did? It was some of the most fun. Yeah yeah and it was like if when we started it was like all right. There's a I think we might be able to do two or three songs. Yeah and we by the end we did. You'd like everything really. Yeah all the way through. Yeah like a bit of finger like how well do you know Sabbath. Not that will last track on the first album. Yeah a bit of finger you like thirteen and a half minutes. All he's just crazy guitar riffs in. It's it's it's fucking awesome. What Guitar you play? I have an S. G.. All right so after you like the crap out on marine biology after first year college to beat people up in smoke weed Kinda Kinda. There's a lot of beer among its and fuck this world. I was always a dreamer and I had a period where I got angry at the world because I didn't think that really. Yeah that time just in general young young I think I would have is. I got my heartbroken for the first time. Oh who was her name Gino Yeah Dylan touch no. He was fine. She was a uh-huh it's totally derailed. Me Like I just didn't I hadn't had that happened before I when I got my broken just shortly after college I came unhinged. Yeah and I committed to a life of cynicism and darkness. That's where I was booze. Yup We're drinking and fighting fucked this world kind of Shit refighting her screen. Oh no she just like. It wasn't even like this awful thing. It was just like that. First Time somebody dumps you was like pretty fucking brutal in college. I had four th grade. There was some trouble right. Yeah but so for the first time. There's like real emotional investments. Yeah when I first time when you can drink and stuff yes. We're sort of adult feeling fifth grade break-up after a day of sitting on a bench and you're like I can't can't take this man. It started hitting the mouthwash sort of derailed me into not a great place but I also there it. was you know emotional baggage from stuff from earlier. I didn't realize it then I didn't figure that out until later just like you've pretty heavy shit that I really want to get into but I had like most comics damaged damaged goods shirt developed making people laugh for a reason to get over to avoid the feelings. Yeah you gotta get together. I was comic relief a lot of fighting. Yeah my house opened up a Yeah I was comic relief I would shut down so I didn't like it wasn't therefore it right and then I was like okay. It's done now. Do my little song and dance. Yeah Yeah Yeah Try to fix everything right right right you know yeah the yet the the You wind make everybody better I did. Yeah Yeah Yeah because dysfunctional relationships of one kind or another yeah. That's how I would make myself feel myself feel better. It was to try to make sure. Oh you're that guy I was. That's hard it was hard exhausting. The end up angry. Yeah and then when you have when when you go through break-up you go through relationship doesn't work yeah that stuff if is sitting right there and you can't make you don't know what it is and you can't. You can't reconcile it with those current circumstances and you can't quite blame yourself. Yeah I and I didn't understand it even got thrown into a bad spot and I was like angry and and kind of a madman for for how why it was college and then I would have been nineteen and then I don't know like five or six years years not fully understand that stuff until years later when I went through my divorce That's what I figured out the other childhood trauma. Yeah so and why these these relationships had been so turbulent difficult because you wanted to try to make everything good I want to try and make everything good and when it went wrong I wanted to try to reconcile these. These leftover right emotional from and it didn't work because they were not connected to. That's right. There were connected other things so it was just like trump. I don't know where to go what to do. So you're trying to get something you didn't get early on or to recreate something or to create something perfect from your head that was in reaction to what you went through as a kid with these different different people and there was no way. Those feelings could be resolved right. Oh people yeah yeah so it felt very much the same But although looking looking back it's it's they're clearly different the what the feelings and emotions that go with them. They're clearly different. It's like how did I not well because I was in the throes of it and also be like you know you get wired as a kid so programmed program to certain way and your heart's working for a certain thing and you're looking for like you know closure on natter or to recreate something or to get something you didn't have to know that. Yeah so how you GonNa know that until somebody hips you to the way it works. Yeah and usually that's after you've destroyed everything yes at least once. Yes that's true to you. Ran It into the ground. Yeah so what do you do after college. I in this kind of compressed angry state with the W- where do you end up. I still had my dream of getting into show business and and making movies being filmmaker. That's what I wanted to do from. When did that start Early on I love movies. Were my escape also. Didn't really get out of you and many of us enjoy them. I Love I love them. Yeah and it's interesting to look back. They've definitely influenced me. Yeah a lot of good and some negative way. Yeah I like staff self after bad people with no no like I expecting to be expect real life to be like a movie plot. So everyone's everyone's get control alterior motive shoulder issues here. Well yeah well no doubt. Why isn't this exactly like I Ryan -ticipant it to be? Yeah well well everyone cheats. Everyone lies everybody will rip off any chance they can. You know it's like the sensationalism that goes with good fiction doesn't real life is not necessarily like that but I you know movies were where I hid right. That was what I wanted to believe in. Yeah yes so I still vested in that I get a little like eat. Now that I'm more emotionally vulnerable in a little fucked up. I give like movies like I get deepened. Yeah me too. It's fucking weird like sometimes getting so upset about. That's it'll take me hours to get out of it to get out of the reality of the movie movie and then you have many of these people that I have in my head and it's the it's the gators. Yeah it'll take like an hour just to Kinda like realize my life is just what it is is dragged through this whole process of this movie and I enter my life and I'm like all right but I get very emotionally. Yeah it's good good or does that make you not WanNa let that happen again. No no I think it's good I like you know I I think a more open to it but I'm surprised like it does. It's like I've just started. Recently letting myself indulge in entertainment right away like you know. I didn't watch a Lotta. TV shows really for a while there. Where I was working I didn't make there was too much but now like fucking just sitting like most people do and watch a movie or two and be like that's great and completely lost in and I realized like four and then I can appreciate it on deeper levels too you know aesthetically and intellectually and whatnot but but some movies? I'm just sort of like why can't I live there. Why my my back here? That's a nice place to be. Yeah Yeah Right. That's the thing I get like you know like I get immersed in them to the point where Mike I can't it. Just be the movie right and you watch it like a regular person does. That was good third. I didn't care for that. I can't do that either either. At least like if I'm too far in what it was to me. And that's what I wanted to be right. And you know it's harder it gets harder and harder to a let yourself by into that And and escape to that spot may especially if you're like at a movie theater and everyone around you. It's like chewing and eating completing crumpling paper and whispering as this. I can't do this. What are you why are you in here with me? Eating Uber's yeah so you had that going to get out then no way out for you so I bailed. I like I moved to L. A.. On a whim we'll I went through another painful relationship. Breakup scenario in this is after after College Back Home Jersey Trove. I had a lot of different driving jobs. Yeah I drove. I delivered everything from prescription drugs to pizza the two flowers too because you like driving. Yeah Yeah it was always a driver whose I can get. My license just drove. I love driving to drive if it's the same thing with the movies driving it's like meditative. Yeah you all you yeah you just think yeah. Yeah yeah that's turns out. That's what I really liked to do. Think alone but it's kind of it's kind of true we get out. I guess you're out in the. Maybe that's why the cash cab is so good for you forces you into relationship. They can get an ages leave. There's truth to that. Sure it gets me back out in the world a little bit saved my life like that. Yeah yeah so I got a miserable bidder. fucking people come over. That's it's awesome. That was the whole idea. Yeah I got problems helped me out come on over work through developed my style while it's actually a brilliant move ideas impulsive and desperate but it worked out that's awesome so huge success congrats by the way. Thank you very much. It's amazing I have sat here or wherever. Yeah Barack Obama on that chair you rich Voss right right there on that chair all right so you move here on a whim. I moved to L. A.. Yeah it must have been a disaster. It wasn't it wasn't so so you hate it was literally like how did you start doing comedy. No no you can't take this anymore here. I keep breaking up with this girl getting back together with her same one Jane no different and I said I'm going to get Outta here. I'M GONNA move to La. And I literally just got on a plane and flew out here and with no plan I looked up my one friend that I knew lived out here. What was the tar builder? But what. You'RE GONNA nick do movies. What was it didn't have a plan? I was like I need to get out of here. I need to go somewhere else. Fuck what the Fuck I'm GONNA do lost. Wow so I'm moving to Los Angeles Sad. Move Dude it. I've found my way one way or another by doing that. Yeah Yeah I moved out here I I was looking for weird place to be lost. I was looking for. Yeah Yeah Right. It's crazy to think that I was like one of those young people who said I'm going to move to Hollywood right pursue my dreams. Yeah and had. Somehow it's worked out for me. You know like yeah I stumbled into it. I I worked in hotels so it's good experience working at a very Nice Hotel Back Jersey. You did. They called the Hilton at Short Hills. Right across from the the mall at Short hills a came out there I was like running room service basically weekly. That wasn't my title but that's what it's doing so you came out here and then what happens. You GET A job. I looked for jobs in hotels Thinking I can support myself and try try to find some way into the world of show business right so you had that much of a plan you're gonNA be in Showbiz. I'm going to do something. Maybe I'll get a job building sets where our little handy couldn't find a job. I came out of what was then the Hyatt next to the store Didn't get the job hotel like way below the level that I had a lot of good experience in good references. No one cared about my references for you or no. You came out of the height right out of the high hi from an interview. Yeah and communist started. They're chatting to a guy named Jeff who was a manager at the comedy store. Yeah Jeff and and it's not the same jeff that's there now not the piano player no no another guy and he gave me a job answering the phones. Get the fuck Outta here. Yeah he said you have a good voice you want it. Can you answer the phone for us. We need somebody. These three nights four hours or five fifty an hour. What year was that ninety three three And I said okay. Yeah sure that's how I got into stand up really. Yeah doing I've tone job took the job and then did you really. Yeah was it when the Green Room and had like the palm trees and stuff up in the back. Yeah it might Bekker's off Mike Becker right outside Mike. BEKKER's off right down the hall from Mris Office. Yup Yeah had that jabeen eighty seven. That's crazy right. Didn't know that about you. It was a doorman at the store. Two guys from Jersey. Yeah and out here with the same job at at the comedy store fired me. She was already yeah. She fired me a lot. And then Paulie would come in and say you're not fired. Oh so this is scaring everyone. If everyone that she fired left we would. There'd be no one here you like this. Just don't leave so that was kind of it was getting a little weird getting a little weird there right. Yes I mean it was always weird but it was diminishing. Yeah right yeah yeah. Well she was was Kenniston at that point yes he had just died a few years before so she was struggling but but she wasn't meant little bit sick yet. No no but it was like it was just scary over there. Yeah now once saying or whine 'til she kind of fired everybody a lot. Yeah and then. Did you ever drive the carver. G RUN ERRANDS. No I never did. Isn't there that long. But but did you try standup. I did remember do you remember skippy low Yep skippy give me. Low invited me to his belly room. Yep he thought that I was stand up. I was telling a story because you worked the phones of how I ended up in L. A. Story about the girl and the flight with no plan and all that yeah and I kind of had some people listening by the end and they thought I was a comedian which I was not at the skippy. Lo said you should do my show coming to my show Saturday. I was hoping petrified but you are in the back I said no no no no I can't and then. He gave me his card with a picture of him sitting on a bus bench. That had a picture of him on it where you would do as cable access show and the next day it was like what am I doing. I'm not doing anything. Yeah maybe I've always liked to make people laugh. Yeah I got me in trouble but maybe I could. Maybe this is you know. Yeah maybe I should do it so I tried it. Yeah I call them and I did his show in the belly ROLODEX. Yeah with just one card on my like Cardboard N. table literally cardboard box. Yeah So I called him and he put me on and I did. I did his Saturday show in the belly L. E. Room like six times and worked out worked out. I gotTA laugh with the first thing I said yeah and it was instantly hooked. Wow yummy store guy. Yeah that's it's where it happened. I did I did like six of those Saturday's with skippy low And then you know it's going pretty. Well I auditioned for Mitzi. Yeah yeah she passed me like very quickly do Jerry soon after I got a regular but I didn't understand what that meant. I know no yet that that was like such a big thing I left I I was like this is what I'm GonNa do but I I can't I wasn't making enough money to survive out here right. You're thinking in practically back home in pursuit of him in New York but he had no sense of the store. The store really a little bit. I had I knew it was supposed to be afraid. Eight of Mitzi and there was a system I didn't know that I that her passing me was a big fucking deal and I should have stayed here. I don't know went through some dark times times after that dude right so that was ninety three store did. Yeah Yeah it was. It wasn't like the best of times when I was wasn't like thriving. So no right right. Yeah yeah it was like half filled rooms. I mean now that's crazy but but man it was like I used to go there when I first got back to La. Now as two thousand and two and I was working it was like I liked it because no one would bother you right you can just go in and perform for half a room right. Yeah get the work done. It was what's worse than that when I was there I I was like yeah. It was only crowd on the weekends. And it's an not totally sold out. I think a lot of remember I used to go. That's how I saw. It had the feeling of of a dying play but it also had what it still has the pictures which is just like this feeling of of authenticity and like some real history and some yeah. There's you know there's a lot there's a lot going on there I liked. Please do us but so funny you went back to New York. I went back to New York. I moved back into my parents house. I thought in the basement fish. No Sir No fish no you know what did have I had. I had a fifty five gallon fish tank in the basement. My parents at that point in my life I had forgotten cool stuff in there. Okay freshwater stuff. I had a freshwater stingray. Oh wow which was like unheard of at the time and I had some cool stuff head snake in yeah. That's that's a fish that eats. It's only each other fish and we'll get as big as the tank environment will allow y get huge like an arrow. WanNa it's like a really long Kinda it's really long looks. Looks like a half snake half ish. I remember going to the pet store when I was a little kid. See in the air. WanNa yeah. That's a lot like that And there was actually a thing with snakeheads so many people bought them the very popular with kids and everything with tanks then they would get too big and people would put them in bonds and stuff fuck innate every day ruined just ruined the population knows I go. I take my kids. We go and walk by this pond. Jersey Yeah and there's African sicklids but are they. That's a certain type of fish like category fish that are African. The whole population of this pond in central New Jersey is African fish. Yeah Yeah Yeah. There's like hundreds of them in there. Does other people know this. So you think it's because someone dumped their fishing. Yeah absolutely absolutely no. There's like a whole. Oh wow ecosystem should be alerted. Yes yeah we should let someone having a call department of game yes. New New Jersey S.. Are you aware it'd be that guy. Fish Guy living in the basement of my parents and I said happy no good pretty good. Yeah I mean I'm still angry but I've found stand up. Yeah and I know. Oh that's what I WANNA do. And they are accommodating their happy. I found something. I'm not sure I'm also working. I was delivering pizzas so I was still whatever I could get dry then. I ended up driving. That's when I started driving. Limos Yeah and actually at parties bachelor parties mostly like corporate in the airport and back in Newark but a handful of yeah back and forth in Newark a lot. Yeah and like I don't know twenty percent would be like couples going to dinners and shows in the city. Nothing perverse no. Never everyone always wants to know was originally. Hey where can we get. Blow can get spoiled. There was some of that there was some like. Can we find some drugs right. Can you know. Do you know where he will open up to you. And you're there you're right now you're driving again professionally. Yes I am a dream come true I got my job as a driver can still do stand up and keep you drive driver. And he got the fish. I got the so. You've got the fucking man. Yeah it really is. I feel very fortunate but so when you start to strip no I went to you of all places that I went. I went to the Boston. Comedy Club in New York. I knew the first place I want. I think that's where I'm sure. That's where he had the hat backwards. Yup that was the thing my grandfather passed away right around the time I started And he had given me that had so it was like a little security blanket so it was. I forget that some people are like man. I remember these were that had every night I did. Didn't I your thing. It was a down vest or something I probably had a down vest. AVESTA SITUATION JOE but But I remember yeah I mean. Was it like what are we talking like. That's like ninety five. Oh is that late ninety six. That's when he started in. I started in ninety three store by you. Know right out of ninety five when I was in New York. I'm pushing trying to get definitely around. Then Yeah Yeah I remember you. I moved back there and I was checking guys out and watching comics. I was definitely there. You were there in your eyes to all all right. This guy is good. Yeah a lot of people I was like. Yeah I think I can hang on and then some of you guys had been at it more serious and good at it sure and I was like Oh boy the remember the guy that you thought were terrible and now they're big now they're like movie stars. Yeah it's so weird I've seen people get funny. Oh Yeah Yeah. Why guys like you just sort of like? I don't know if there's going to happen for this guy. And then clicks always knew ten years in your fucking funny now. I always say Dave Cross you know because I came up with the across and I've I've made the mistake. I've had him on several different types of shows where I am host and Mike who who would have thought you would. Yeah and he's the last time I did that to me because I did answer. It's true though but that's what it is true. I thought got it when you said it. They knew all time I was like I thought about it that way. Of course they did or they wouldn't have really awesome. Yeah so so but but How did it all unfold? You know I mean you're in New York stayed in. I was in New York for longtime plugging away in the clubs. Do Your Letterman's it's in your now never did it never did crushed crushed on auditions for all those shows but I didn't have management. I did not show. I've been on the tonight show. Oh now but not to do stand up. I did it when the cap for the cap show a panel then talked about and stuff but I did like Carson. Daley did Craig kilborn north evening at the Improv stuff. Or those things those were done but it was late. Friday he did star search was a big thing for more early on. When Arsenio was hosting it I went to the end? I didn't win but I. I won several times while they're like you know because even me for as long as I've been doing it and having done all the Conan's and everything else that you know all of a sudden you come into you know the most successful part of your life is based on this other thing again. I I broke through doing a podcast to my garage and there was this period there where people are like. I really great interviewer and Mike but I'm a comedian. Yeah there's that moment you must get that to my filled with empathy right now. It's it's totally very much. 'cause you're doing good but you're frustrating. It's like I do comedy. Yeah it's funny on that show but I don't need to talk to people. People have been to a comedy my whole life. Yes yes it's very frustrating show but what about this. I'm still I still grapple with that there was a point where it was very tough because I don't know how I don't know where you were. When like fast forward ten ten years of my nine hundred slogging away in New York finally linking to and you've been doing what are you headline and be rooms and whether you do I wasn't really I didn't want to I I wanna I just want to crack the rooms in the city and stay here but you did that I did? It took me ten years to regular seller and chilly Friday and Saturday at the seller and the club's right ten years ten years from when I was back in New York and I my delivery had evolved into this Islas very announcer voiceover ever all of my jokes in this liberate tone and it was great. It was organic organic. It just happened here and the jokes hit harder with that. Yeah cash cab comes along people know me for that. I can't do that anymore. My crowds. That's come out and are like they know me from the show like why is he talking like that. This is so weird they know you as you they know me as me and it was tough but it forced me to just be me on stage age and it made me a better comic but very confusing period. It was like what the fuck is going on. I can't do this thing. That's my Go-to all these years. I can't do it. Allison you have an audience and those you in a little different way. Yeah then what you've established but how did you get the Gig to begin with cash. Cab just auditioned for it. You know I what did it start. Two thousand five. Wow Yeah because I remember when you got it and then all of a sudden it was a thing. Yeah to think that work is. It was on discoveries which started yet total fluke that had ever got picked up by discovery. Yeah but we were there from five until thirteen two thousand twelve thirteen. What eight years? Yeah and then we. We didn't get picked up again after eight years after eight years and then it was twenty seventeen April. They brought us back that a union GIG. No Yeah so you couldn't even get the insurance no well that's an interesting question. I mean when you say it's a union GIG. I'm thinking it's is not because I'm not kidding. There's no residuals. There's no any of that but it said I do have SAG healthcare and inside. I mean I've done kiss egg but they have to pay me through right okay so I get the insurance insurance which has been great great right. Yeah Yeah fucking awesome but during this time you get married you have children yes How many to that was? What two thousand seven? My kids are thirteen and eight so my daughter was six. So right after the GIG who who is the woman. He married a French French lady really. Where'd you meet her At a bar in Jersey where everyone meets French women of course and that was good. Yeah yeah it was good but I was too. I was a mess. I didn't know what I wanted or needed from a relationship right. If just like I was too young and not in control of you know like how long did it take for it to go south. We stay together for fifteen years. That's not nothing happen. No no it was good and we're still you know. Get along fine. We did the kids. Yeah we're back at forth. We live on other opposite ends of the same town. Oh you're in town. Yeah we both. She lives lives in the House that we bought together. I moved across town to another place so now kids go back and forth and I love them dearly. Miss them if they're okay. Gather doing great doing great. That's good story as far as divorce stories. Go It's pretty good so what what happened though because like you said it was a dark time like how did how did you get away from you. What happened I married? I just figured out. I wasn't happy and I had just didn't want to face. They said to me that her dad probably no no it just it just like like what am I doing with my life. This isn't this isn't right. This isn't I can't just stay here. Yeah and we'll continue. It's not yeah. Yeah especially bringing little people in their idea. Their sub-conscious idea of relationship relationship is supposed to be is not going to be a good one And I can't do that. That's why I'm here right. So where in this place you know so right right so like repeating. Yeah so I was like I got a from your from Europe bringing yeah I gotta go and and you know it's very tough. And then he entered into the darkness. No I was. I was like I thought I was through the darkness and didn't realize fully understand what was going on with me until we're getting divorced too. I agree let's go to counsellors we go to the first one. Yep afterwards the shrink polls me aside and says has I'm going to recommend someone else for you to see about your depression. And that's what I do what I'm not depressed. And she snickered. You've been caught yes you are. I'm like no I'm even as I'm saying no I'm not I'm like Oh my God i absolutely am and I didn't know I was like so you know manage it like we do comics managing boozing ever Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's the whole trying to fill that hole So I choose right so I went and saw somebody and it changed my life really. Yeah but when did you want in there like this is bullshit into sat down in front of this guy and I just the first little bit of conversation I just cried for like you'll Aussie. I lost yes. See some general questions about depression. And you're like that's me. Yeah no I think he was like why are you here and I was like just like all everything just came pouring out and then I was just like out on the street like what the faulk good moment what is going on but then from there like I understood all those things and and get on the medicine. No he's like no access. Nomads said that right out of the gate nomad. So you did talk therapy until you get straight until I understood it and then they're you know me Shelbert up or yeah. Yeah well. I had done that previously. I had I had gotten to a point where I was a real mess and I so I didn't drink. I didn't I didn't touch alcohol for five years and that also changed my life. You know that I like just the clarity. Yeah you just want to cold Turkey then yeah thing yeah well. I mean. It took a lot of tries to do that. Sure but finally did I was like I'm this is going to ruin everything you were. Yeah with that now now. I'm like after five years. I mean I'm I'm like I I have a couple of beers. Yeah you know yeah. When did you write the dark songs divorce divorce time of before or you went to the depressing depression? Yes Oh during the divorce yes Yeah I had built this edition on my house. which was unfinished? Your this this is when I talked to. You got to be when and I must have been drunk because I don't know where we were but I built it so that was did you get two thousand eleven. This sounds right. Yeah yeah so I really I was out in my family was visiting. Yeah that's the worst part of my divorces at my family eh blamed me and didn't like thought it was a mistake and didn't think I was doing the right thing. Your parents. Yes yeah if they ever listened this. What's new we did? Not so I was like hiding from my now ex wife and family. I was out in the unfinished thing like chain smoking playing a guitar and drinking whisky and just like her. What fucking guy in my life ways? What does this not going to be how I feel what point you know and jamming just jam in writing and singing and did you record that stuff? I have recorded that stuff. Oh Yeah as Sandy. Now I love it I love it. It's one of the things I'm most proud of my life really album of tunes but I I. It's out there but I yeah I didn't put my name on it. What does that mean? I mean I just put the name of abandoned. Where's it it's it's everywhere but no one's listening to it people could but now he's still only connect yourself do it? No I wanted to live on its own. And how's that going fine. I I have. I don't have any expectations. So how about making it the album now since August. Oh It's new just this year. I finally put Laura. I spent three years producing mixing mastering it with those guys. Yeah with the drummer in the Bass player and just the name of a band yes they you're not going to say. Hey I don't want to defeat the purpose of me not well how do you promote it. Then I don't I don't care to promote it if people find it may like it. That's great now. Listen to Kowit but how do you get. The fire started. What people just going to browse bite on itunes? It's not about that it was about making it but it's on I tunes. Yes I told her. I'm a I'm a Weirdo. I've Sung arbitrary things that's fine. I do. Don't understand I do and I just during songs about coral about. It's all about that fish tank the red dining room. It is a little bit. Yeah and now. How do you sell tickets? You know when you go out and I. I haven't been on the road since last June He's he's been shooting the show. I spent about four months filming the show and then holidays and then you know and now this new new tour. I'm kicking off a new tour is that what's GonNa. That's yeah that's actually what I'm here to promote. Oh not the capture no cash cab. No I'm doing a tour. I'm doing like fourteen days. Yeah from now every other week of July or whatever But so when you go out and I have been to answer your question. I spent selling tickets well in the close until now this is like a leap due to another sort of via size for me so I have high hopes when you go out and you having a show yeah you want to do your set MHM and then once you've done it and a special you don't you'll never do it again or you policy with me just so happens. That's the way it works right in a alive and well for me too. I don't remember shit anymore. Yeah Well I. I'M NOT GONNA do bits from ten years ago because I don't remember I kinda liked it. Try to see if those bits to work. But here's my question. Yeah Yeah Yeah well. I'm sure they would. But don't you think that your fans might want you to do like a bit that they love from way back. I don't know you know it's like it's really hit or miss with that. I want to see a band. You like don't play your new album. I know like songs are different but we have for sure you you know like you. You know. It's all music a whole different thing. It's magic a comedy. Some sort of tricky. And you know what I mean. I don't Oh I don't know if I agree with you on that. I see what you're saying but I mean like like can I like like when you watch a comedy special again you and if you're showing somebody else is going by you know but with music I can sit there and like I listened to Like this new Abbey Road Record. Have you know the rerelease. The Room Abbey Road No sane amazing and it's sort of like you know I'm almost crying and that's not happening with comedy and I WANNA go right but but no musical definitely bring more emotion beautiful. Yeah for sure I don't standup. I don't watch it. It's a trick in the sense that like the the first time you hear a joke and you don't know it's coming right but you know what I mean. Yeah you're sort of like you never going to get that back. Jack Emily if you do like a long thing like you know it's it's nuanced in. That might be worth into again. But I don't go back to too many specials more more than once. Well that's what I do my all. My bits are long. Yeah Yeah mine too. Seven eight ten minute chunks. I know it's hard saying some beautiful artist or anything but I'm saying it's I think I know what you're saying but and also there's the thing of like even with like some of my like the first five CDs or whatever. I know that I wasn't very popular then and I I know all that stuff lives five or six hours of material that most of my fans now have never fucking hurt so there's always part of me that's sort of like there's no way they could hurt some of that that Shit Shit you know but then you always gotta deal with the one asshole who after the show comes up and goes new stuff you you can either way do your Google now. I don't get that much. I get that how come you didn't do your book I wanted you to your nearly flightless birds bit mhm bits that I love and I'm proud of done ten years And then if you and then someone else will come. I thought you were going to do new stuff like you can't you can't please. Everybody wanted to. I'm so fucking fucking mad because I went back to England's sooner than I should have building the set for the special but I went back there. I did like half of what I'd done there the last time but another forty eighty five minutes of initiate on top of like forty five that I was working on before and someone was like. I don't even know about tickets. I'm like fuck this thought you. It sucks you know. We should get our money back. It's like fuck it because it was the same because he did some of the right so so you know I. I tend to like after a point. I don't even know what's what is making me angry. They did it to you. And it's making me fucking made me. It pissed me off but I I do you respond to that Shit. I did that one did you. It's a struggle not to write. I went back and forth is the Mike. Where do you want me to send you your fucking money? I'll send you your ticket and then that didn't make me feel like Shit See. Well that's the thing people also they just. I want to get. Get a response from you. I know right. It's hard to know that in a moment you're triggered you're angry but to me it's like they're like I don't tour like I don't Bust my balls like some guys. Do I go out a lot. But like I've served markets. I do really well in certain markets. I'm not great in usually I can draw like you know eight to twelve hundred most places and there's a couple of cities writing sell two thousand in change but that's the top of you know that's great. Yeah it's great it's a it's a living and and it's a nice living and it's a good audience and they're good people like no like there's no problems it might shows like if I do. Some club dates to write. The waitresses are all these people for Nice people. They're adults I'M NOT GONNA walk in and look at a table and be like fuck that's GonNa be a problem you can. You can spot them on the way you. Yeah you know they come and I. I still do those club dates like that. Where you know could be hit or miss? But he when I'm writing. There's still like to do but I my my point is is like I don't like I don't drive myself crazy and I just wanted to be good experience and you know I'm happier doing stuff. I'm engaged in in new. You and not worrying about like old shit like I know that these markets that some people will drive to come see the shows them doing and they've seen it somewhere else because people drive Zima but some of them are not going to and it's pretty spectacular kind of button pushing set and you know it even okay. For instance bike like my agents. Like well we're having trouble with Orlando and I don't know what that means so I'm finally today I call them up and I'm like you fucking mean in is going to be embarrassing or what it right. And he's like while the eighteen hundred and right now three weeks left for ticket sales year at like six. And that's fine I could show you my Orlando numbers numbers and you feel a lot better. But you're not at the same venue I am so Crimea River Buddy. Apparently they can close the sides. And it'll be fine. It's what I've heard. I've been told thank you. You're not gonNA know 'cause you know the dark in the balcony and they can cause sides in. We're we're both going to have a great time up up to your fans love you and they are gonna come out you know many your. I know it's going to be fine. It is it is. It's a stressful thing though. It's like wishes. Where'd you hit these certain levels? I mean dude. I mean like I used to go. I would prefer half a room you make it's manageable situation and we came up doing that. You fucking fucking go on stage at Boston for fuck in twelve people in. Sometimes it'd be the best fucking night you had dude just talking to somebody the other night. How it club I I? There was a point where I could go in there Boston. Comedy Classic Comedy of New York on at the end of a weeknight. Right and do a half hour. Yeah for like ten anywhere. We're from five to twenty five. Yeah right and it was awesome. That was like it was like such a great thing for me as a comic. You learn how to connect with people like how you build. Oh that relationship with an audience so like it was like and I made I did some gnarly shows in there too. Sure sucks the life out as soon as you walk in a UH that was like we're going to stick it out fucking idea that we'd walk in there and he'd walk in and you'd see like six people sit in different places aces and he'd be like we got. It just happened. Yeah it's Tuesday and we gotta show your great. Yeah you weren't like Oh fuck. There's only six people like we. I didn't come all the way in for nothing one time. Oh my God I have forgotten story. What drove in from Jersey to go spot at the Boston? Get there. And they're closing closing up. We had no crowd right son of a bitch right. We go downstairs to the to the bag to the. Yeah what it was the Sun Mountain some McAfee then went down. There got a beer sitting there This other Guy Arnold Acevedo you remember that not really. He's Kinda like Mon Mike last reading a little later. Yeah so he's removed from you a little bit. Yeah he and I are sitting there a bus pulls up out in front and person gets out and goes as trying to open a door to go upstairs club. Yeah Yeah and we're like what's this so we we go out and we talked to them like we're here for the show. His whole bashful whole tour group was planning to come to that at the Boston. Comedy Omni Club. Oh my God. We're like Holy Shit Do. Let's let them in so we go down and we get the guy behind the bar. Patrick the Irishman Patrick Patrick and Garett brothers I yeah He goes up and opens the door for us. He goes go ahead. You know whatever you WANNA do voice. We'll run drinks from down here. You know so we did a show. We forty people got off a bus US came in we charge them a cover and like three of us did a half hour each and it was like the the money like normally. We'd have no money for the shows is that we're Jason giving you. Yes twenty dollars. She was the one he was there that he closed down the club and he was like. Yeah no oh show no show. That's great awesome. It was a triumphant night. That's one of the guys in Shawshank Drinking Beers on the roof like we were just. It's like this is a mistake. We made like forty two dollars. That's what's going to happen for you in Orlando Orlando. It's going to be. I don't know I I had a great run a show as last time I was there. Yeah like I've never I literally fucking avoid for the whole state for has a unique replace. No nothing against it. I just don't find that like they give you like don't like you just sort of like I don't know I think I have some PTSD PTSD from a couple of shows. I did there in the past like there was this in. My mother. Lives down there so both of those involve them coming. One was at that fucking hard rock casino. Oh right in lauderdale which is my mom lives in Hollywood okay before they built it up like now. It's a huge guitar shape hotel with everything but it was before it was it was when it was an Improv. At the hard rock right and it sucked and my fucking family came in its sucked and then there was another time where I was at the Palm Beach Improv. And it fucking against stunk. Because you know the fucking Niddle Act closed with Mike. Hey what's What's give it up for the firefighters? It was just like you know too much. Yeah and it was. Just I think the fuck me up and I used to do the camping in providence cities. Yeah they do and it was okay a but yeah I think I was a different comic then and certainly. I didn't have a drawer anything right but but still some of those things stick with you. Yeah you know. It's one of your family. Is it the worst when friends or family. I WANNA come to a show and you're like okay I want you to. Here's one that you should come right. And I've had this habit a few times and they're like. Oh Oh I think we're GONNA come to this one and I know I chose one win. Come to that one not going to be. It's not going to be what I want you to think my life. That's when we do privately in front of strangers. That's that's that's for we're strangers not for family the Juggling Act of that whole thing. I don't care anymore I don't neither you remember you remember. Read Johnny and around Guy I do. They both alive. Yeah okay okay. Good Tim is said to me he goes. What the fuck man the round guy? Yeah yeah he goes do. Just who cares. Yeah Sean Show me how you live. Who gives a shit right? What do you want to pretend you're not performing in these? You know these like shady chlorine you are. That's you might fuck you're right man. You're absolutely right. This is our life. What happened Johnny Johnny is the voice. He's good tim. He's not in a company anymore but he like he does video production like some metals company up in Connecticut. Got A wife and kid. Well good I respect the people that get out and do well good for him. We're still in it. You're doing good thank you man. It's good talking where you yes good talking to you I. I think we're good good where we feel like. We've always been pretty good. Oh no no we have no problem. I JUST WANNA make sure we're closing out nicely. Oh Okay I think we're closing out nicely. Come and see us both. We need to take it Aquariums folk aquarian. I didn't realize as well while I was talking to him that it was. That was the reprieve man. I mean you know whatever was going on in this house. That didn't WanNa talk about being underwater or the closest he could beat. Underwater was where he felt piece. He's doing okay. He's on cash cab. You can watch it on. Bravo go to the Real Ben. Dan Bailey dot com for his tour dates and I was happy to talk to him. That was great. You can also go to W. T. F. dot com slash tour for venue and ticket ticket. Information for all of my winter tour dates. I'm not gonna read them again. Have Gotten everybody. I'M GONNA get in grand rapids but I'm going to be there on the thirty first tomorrow tonight even Queen One tomorrow in grand rapids and So yeah and also I do this with Orlando to be Orlando Hard Rock Lot. Hard rock hard rock wife Fourteenth. That's Valentine's Day. I'm telling you everyone could get in Orlando. I've gotten no music and hotel room boomer Ooh.