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Paul Simon  Graceland feat. Kane Dennelly (19 Twenty)

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Paul Simon Graceland feat. Kane Dennelly (19 Twenty)

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Second Bota Logger is being opened Cracking into port forty one we have an absolute doozy ahead of us Two weeks in a row I think code nineteen. He's taking a hold. Usually we save guest spots for for most pods ending in zero but we have been on taking taking in bunkering. Everyone down we've We've been able to NAB Canaan generally From an Australian Ariffin groove based blue billy grass roots or rockabilly band from Sydney from nineteen twenty to come and chat to welcome aboard Kane. It's good I'm glad we like one and a half married is a pot too because it's good. Thanks for having me on the sheet. None of them not a problem. Say Nine Hundred Twenty The genre description I mean how would you describe these guys on on your your website and when author you always want when I was talking to walt about trying to get you one I was saying. It's more like Rockabilly Kinda like a blues easy and then I went on the website and there's like twenty five words thrown in there. How would you describe so basically we do that description? Sad like food shop where the men in Blue Book let me. Yeah yeah all spiel on it since marketing genius It's not really to be honest. We got no and we call it potty drinking music we'd really instruments so our that's it like it's just it's just a good talk with three nights jumping around like idiots and probably should be doped up about people. Pay Us to do what we do. And we haven't we have a bowl. I saw on your website. Some some of the reviews you'll live shows are absolutely outstanding. I mean you. You love getting their law. That's the that's the name of the game. It's a it's a lot of those reviews we'd go play. Kamala dresses which set up tonight at the better than we are. You got me on the. Yeah so our land reviews on. Don't worry Gaza that jailers' check you guys have noticed. I'm I'm starting to question. Yeah who who St bullshitters here and I think we'll come each other Well hold on. I do the background the marketing I we. You know we we We knew of you guys but some but td owns a a marketing agency. Did dramatically made it all the Balkan for the Inland Sea of signs February. And you and you guys will play that. I think I didn't kill team number right. The dude they met came backstage. Something Damn I got it. I couldn't bay this so I yes I remember. All My my son business This is purely a hobby for me. we run digital marketing. And we've been helping a few festivals and entertainment venues out an inland safe. Stay on up with the guys at Bathurst and I put together a spotify playlist of all the artists that were coming on until the festival and Os flicking through it in the car stuff like that and the nineteen twenty songs came on Like hips in tune forms. Like this is really fucking cool man. I'm really I'm really digging. And I saw this scene to a few more your albums and things like that. And then I and then when the lineup got released for the festival was absolutely spewing because yours were performing on the fraud I not supporting killing. Heidi and al-Qaeda make it up on the Friday I get up on the Senate and say told the team to go out there and And check it out and they nabbed a photo with you after the festival off as well. Yeah man it was great their coach. I thought we a passionate law. Luckily we're just doing a studio album at the moment and it's probably best yet but it's like we just loved the energy of the crowd and We are the three best nights and the energy that we have together So much but when I say it I'm blown. Why just look when? We're not the best musicians individually get together with guppies energy and he's children hoping to get other people really responded. I think to me just bring you positive energy. 'cause it's like a Lotta shitty week and get a bit Lewis trotting settling on on the go all out to make people feel like they can get away with it. You know. It's sort of what. What band on. Yeah that was good. I love the energy. I was watching some you perform some Nucci this quite out of my guys. Generally you know genuinely rather seem very very immersed in what you do and and You know very tight as well as musicians You know it's it's red nowadays that you see musicians as tight as you guys and it and it definitely resonates and allies performances. It reminded me look. We've never seen you live right on one day we will hopefully get opportunity. Come see you guys but I remember the first time that due to myself Soul transferred them but I think he was at the Gaelic Club Way Back in two thousand eighteen thousand full honor remembers coming out with that. Go in. I mean it's a great gig right but I remember coming out. They're just GONNA Jesus Christ those guys at tight and you guys absolutely seem very very tight on stage and so what I wanted to understand rights. You talk about it. Yes Unit van with you to your best mate. So you two best mates wedded. Stop for you guys. I mean you know each other a long time to grow up with each other. What's the store and get kinda favoring to be on us? Always doing for the ban started. Not In twenty comes from the fact. I'll twenty when we started me. Original trauma was nine. Yeah and I think you can around for us and we. We've done a lot of cheering just until we go on Around Australia Seven Times. We take the case And then I was going to the Solo Act And just before I left are driving bans Looks like it'd be Donald Trump and I his business card and I don't know what he was thinking but when our time high I'm on flight or I did a welcome home depot. They need to draw and he wasn't planning with the with my friend anymore. So what are you thinking? And he's like yeah okay gotta go And it was embarrassing allows the stinky old Whether it was always drunk idiots lacking symbols hands including really caught but What become this might since then and we sort of took off start a riot cool chemistry we had with each other and then we'll totally wanted something else and I saw John. Double by spotify with another friend. It's still into so basically I just wondering I got on the Internet all to be honest to be hard to tell not. It wasn't just the night it was about seven or write us ago. And with without even rehearse twelve and that was in the early days we just try that much That we just so so lucky. And that's where the taught comes from i-it's solid digging hundreds of could we We look we never have a set so I just thought what we're GONNA apply under the phones slugging behind when they will over so when you're when you're playing. I mean what we give them a wink and a nod or you stop playing some of the codes audits play play the codes now and we sometimes law other song in between asked homes. We'll do a song or just a course and covers and stuff to get people And oldest to them and I don't know when to stop and then start something and I'll just broaden onto ninety so we don't know what's going to happen and they crab died so if you sort of watching a car crash really you want to watch it so. I guess he had described music. Wow you're really selling yourself here. Man Figures though right. Is that you just you know 'cause she live gigs nowadays and gigs gigs. And then there's concerts right. And then there's there's there's theatrics come with it and stuff and I do. Some Red Sox right cooled fit. You know. It's just settling dot com right so whatever I got to see an. It's bound wherever I go onto it and it hasn't set list of the most recent gigs it that do and there's nothing worse me from going to see a a performer. And you see the for the entire tool they from the same sadness now. I know that that is the common way to do it. But there's nothing better than go to see radiohead a member. You know what fifteen years ago? Dude we so radiohead or two consecutive nights and they completely different sets this like a completely different set lists and you really feel like you get up so I liked that protrude. You Guys Ye costes is spot on. I think cute steel rent or thanks man. Did you won the People's Choice Award at the Bridgetown Festival a blues at Bridgetown Festival for two years in a row. So it's it's getting at them in the three people that voted that awesome John Bond. Grandma and you know like well and I think yeah man. It's it's cool to say the response and we just have this ruled forgiveness not permission to get ourselves in trouble a little bit like. I say he's Gone Ye Yeah so we get to It's been awesome. It's been such a trip. You released first album Actually contain twenty in in twenty ten but was it when you release Zoya on until and four in two thousand thirteen when you start to notice things picking up a fair bit definitely so that. That's the Jason when we finished the audio obviously we'll just cross We learnt pipeline in every little sheep books in the country and Is on album was to give up the drama now And he you know why is the heart unable to produce someone with a good studio and I needed someone without doing illegal that and then out of that kind of mutual respect equal worth work at the direction and it was like you know what this isn't Bobbins Alexander. Now I think that's what really might Transition for it went from Montana. Al Into the sheep look directly shoot because someone has to but The gods of the focused and driven equally to me was it started. Airing game only nuture and if somebody wants to school cheeks jobs and whatever this is like this is the straight dudes pushing hard for the. Sign Golf. Yeah sorry going sorry I was GonNa say the top three or four years. It's really taken off you know and We're getting all ever started. We're played like festival Sick festival to when some of them were played up to Nantong. What's the Best Festival? Play that in. Oh what's like cheesy five girlfriend? I don't know if I want to go there. Yeah come on. I think there's some there's a couple of my favorite in times of Moustapha is blue the Bridgetown. We played that knowing. He's out of the positon pin every year. We probably yeah. It's awesome we play for the school And so actually the army schoolteacher like old boxes from the community come require Beagle. Nine-stage fold them a native stress on the kids who wouldn't normally he sort of music And because we've done that too phenomenal ten years those people now. I am and big repeat younger and so they come out and just got heart and everywhere we go people to really respond to the music town But the right one. Coin clicking toy. That's being a phenomenal festival. Clink neither I just the bud man. It's like it's all ages Everyone's having continent that doesn't too much trouble. was on a single guy exploded exploded going straight stages Up to like we saw Casey changes as she was about forty five and all that that he doesn't paypal. They've got big MAC. Ten little needle. Sage STUFFING CHURCH TOO. So it's really cool to well. I'm I I noticed. I noticed that the Inland Sea of Sam wasn't on now. I appreciate it was just walking so badly candidates radars nothing again while I was gonNA mention that because involved no with amazing those the fee decisions not as we just did the marketing we just sold. The tickets will not acceptable the second half now but it was also like we stayed at the bottom of the Panorama there On top of the hill block. Come on or not coning sport someplace it'd be the Ryan but it was awesome vistas and views up there. Yeah it's really cool class. Sorry sorry I just wanted to say sorry. Firstly there's some dickhead neighbor. Von Drilling and hammering. So excuse the noise. A few is something But secondly I wanted I wanted to just flush back into the but you mentioned that That you you you wrote in the UK for a while doing gave us that was on your own was it. Yeah I are still performed under nineteen twenty are finding my way you know and and Gun Cohen's direction months I I just didn't want to play music on student. I wear where I fit Right and where you play like. We just sort of up and down the country biting boozers or sort of venues. What we're doing it all over the place. I mean There's a Mexican longstanding only say and all I had about Iky before I went over there and the beauty of them on the continent England. A lot of Carson's recommended me to other venues which doesn't really happen much. He I don't think and so I'll get one GEIC. Do do well you know? Pay Them on amount of money to luck. Recommend me and then I like cool around and I've had a bit of a to it up there. You can play as much as complex twice a not so it was really cool. It's quite common. So how how did you get into music? Did you have much musical influences growing up? Loretta was My parents are terrible. The worst stage multiples of crowds. Just let gliding my grandparents. Sheet music tight. So what examples. Kenny Jake come on. Hey can not that I mean. He's not that PAT. He's that good enough so great half. I'll get married Iraq and Monica right here and he's good That actually that'd be He. He had a news incurred That was he's done so wrong. That was all other league fan Yeah my brother yet. He introduced me to a lot of punk. Like trends overall affects brands. That I grew up on that stuff. So that's why replace are hiding this sort of Zhong 'cause if you get up to keep it all thank you had Yeah so let's go office really fish and although it's sort of being that's what. I grew up on because my brother which is awesome. He's five years old These ended up to a music fan. He's now he's a high school music and drama paycheck and he comes and joins us on stage every so often which is awesome and I really do. He play sex hormone occurring Emails the harmony together It's pretty special to share. That would be better and do you do you. On the band's influences match IOS like You know see it in and John Tysoe music or is it a real eclectic mix I J- about sixty all of the not so he He was saying nearly ninety cold on Cope man to know. Sorry they'll kill killing Tom. Not So. Don't call me teacher. That's and then I had to change the killing pond and that will be kneeling on his way out to the Chili peppers and paint on the book. You and so no sense but it's the wrong guy on the phone. I'll miss that. What what did you say friends? But it seems like we got the wrong guy hundred percent. Ud's that's what I'm told. Y'All come close. We know the rock rock and roll swindle. That's that's a I drink robin. That's why he got me. I think he was heading stuff And John he was in the punk tune And so I think we come from. Hoti backgrounds and energetic record So to get these blue sort of thing it's like with nine into the heart of God. You know with their background music. So two thousand sixteen snow in Soho hips. Hips comes in for me. That that's the song that I think is is classic nineteen twenties. I mean what would you say is a classic nineteen twenty songs or did you that the anything when he was released when snowing so he came out. Yeah I think a think described blues tracks really Reaganite laws nothing. Much lower related law starts We Love Traditional Blues needed but we just found but a lot of people that morning that thing when necessarily the he can you give it a schedule and then We can get a lot more people into it which fans We probably what a fight festival whose role which is a bit differently. Not until like two and four. I think it's because of that. These date with the traditional blues. I'm top And that sort of thing would have blew things into the rook sort of music festival. Well how did you get into the folks sane like is it just a is it just like on the live circuit or yeah? I think once again. I'm massive swindle because we've got a double bass and we've got a resume then instantly. Bit Parking German Kanda And we can get booked off the back of the time I shot and then You know I think I can change in. A lot of them are very. That's an amazing book. But the national pistol and the national trade fifty in Canberra. They still do a lot of traditional stock but then they're looking for a new age taught you to get these young crew involved and I you know the the young crowd the wall crab with a really awfully okay Yemen crack. We played folks area and that was like sterkel kept pit. Stop Jesus we are going to take my pants off and I'll remind it was incitement like you. You Talk Festival like a ball club Wallet on Okay and in two thousand seventeen yearly triad Year off to snowing Soho in terms of the writing process like a lot of bands when they get to the second third album then won't be waiting a couple years and years straight away like what's the writing process that you guys go onto. Come down to taunt and drake's schedule so that lost album that they lost you. Adleman taking threes to get in your twenty And that's not because there's songs reminding them spend time on it. It's time to be able to do it. And so after the snowing album It was a year off when we thought we had a lot of vedic expensive because theoretically after randy album. This Lana Roy on wiscon- of clean terms bangles and fulling foams and So yeah we. We did snow on a reception and then we tried. We thought let's try something different and this great trek on it and and that was recorded When we had tom off the rose because Pine Knob and bringing out the spices. Don't get the luxury of taking weeks and links off the record that have that So we just stand little blocks we you know we hire a studio for three hours. I'm just jumping into three fish. And then try and patch that together So it wasn't nice contributed creatively in Grad adjacent. Yeah it was cool and you know. Trump sample probably popular phone outside of his hand. And if you if you if you flash back I mean you're talking about some sort of You know some of the bombs that you into growing up and obviously you brother plays a big part I mean. Do you remember the first Gig. You went to K- Do you do. Who Was it? It was it was real. It was really and you and I remember because I was twelve and I was wearing a shit kicking and sleeper popular member. Yes they are. GotTa be wearing like you gotta be seventy boating. Would it be and a twenty year old girl from the Porsche? Get Away with it. That's me yeah sounds like just went to your website and I'll just trying to walk gone visited our website. It said visited three because I it. Yeah you're killing me. Larry Larry Boston. Yeah 'cause my best night. He went with me We got we got taste wearing same. Twelve whatever Seven areas seven supported. And then really crease head-on knows Steve. There was people crowds if you laid starving and as a twelve year old. I've never seen anything like that. I was in circle every area seven support. That is like a prophet blocks from the park. Do you so. What's the Best Gamecube ever been? Most memorable digging into on is Pasta over the years doesn't amazing venue. I don't know if she ever went into it in Don't yell at all said that the a lot of things I'd pull Kelly at the Y. Yeah no yeah The rescue pink of Evergreen trees the Trans and they were there. It was nine. Wow super cool off school on all GonNa Music School. Then you go to school so we we just go out thinking we'll cool Probably dressed in clothes and yeah volun- fans city that was that was an amazing not hanging from the rafters and So Kelly actually cutting par. Yeah but we've We've we've actually just been if you're stalking you might have seen this on instant profile and last week we're talking about. Mgm telling the week before that we talked about the clash and so at the moment. We're doing a account Dan or a round robin on on the greatest debut albums ever and violent films nominated on me but I got knocked up by. How fast. Yeah Well Yeah Yeah Yeah musics and opinion bites things. That's close but it's a nice me out but that's an amazing album. The volunteers near toddle they it was it was so self taught. Yeah it is which which brings US nicely to the next question. Sorry to cut you off but what's your. What is your favorite bull time? I'd say fan but I pulled Salmon. It's just an absolutely credit. What a what a segue. That was unplanned. I cannot be a music journalist. All of a sudden awesome did was give me the needle and the trade this Dr. Driving this car crooning. Exactly thank you. Notes wrought returning dishman second tank. Give him a VINDALOO. That's true it's okay. It's a great time interesting. Yeah so what are we looking at? Today Interestingly Enough Graceland Yes so so is it. I mean this is obviously nominated by itself. Cain whole Salmon Graceland. This is not as I as I album like. He has his opponents. Is that the Woodward Self taught owed it is upon us. But this this this came after a bit of a high volume and in terms of Goth Funchal and obviously pullman going separate choosing choosing pullman. I mean wait wait. Are you right am pull form as a singer songwriter? And from a credit partnership man I think I think he's one of the best an attorney when you start looking at during a heard something I Melody brings you win and very cold and it. It's one of those amazing album. Instrumentally calling on blocking beautiful beautiful competition and then you rate hikes like well you know like my favorite lyricist. Glenn Account He's he's about DACA poetry. Yahoo like it's it's a juxtaposition lyric. Some of the lyrics co written. Sorry that he put some of these music Sweet Beautiful Major Times of the African Fan. And then he's got these heavy things incredible thinking such an amazing how how far ahead of this is just from his work with Simon and Garfunkel. Well it's interesting I think Not Quite on any of these so I'm just talking about field head but he Like I've gone so that it was summoned. Garfunkel comforting. I think it was hard talk with Central Park and it was actually bought causing trouble people with their pocket. Yeah People were called. You know their bad. And then he recorded a solo album and that was the first time I tried to get off until the next recoding some indeed was a solo album and go Gone Funchal to come and see on some of the tracks and and do the karate but I think what happened in the studio old stuff reemerged. sheet the fan again. And then he didn't use any dot Gov phone call tracks I read that in my rarities lawyer. Yeah apparently Wanted big So they didn't really give much to the prime all. This is the solo album full graceland. They didn't give it much love And he was a conduct sane is like a head thing but it's on Graceland was mind Yes which you know that happened to be. I think I read somewhere focusing on artists donor and trains tonight through aiding saying they just didn't say anything really out. That is starting to ease back catalogue and I'll happy with it. Obviously because of that there wasn't much pressure on. You can have a lot more creative freedom. How did you get into the into the the album interesting? As I said before when I was traveling around with original drama we dropped through the middle of Australia Yukon. Get even radio won't be picked up so we had a few seda into one of them. The black album Metallica METALLICA's black album. At the Parnell wasn't a big Fan So we we had a few state H. And Jason The drama. He Brought A. He's the guy and he put it on and it blew. I'm on like we weeks until through the not. And you know wake up and you know the other places jogging rausing and there'd be this music going on and it was guys laying. It brings back a lot of memories is just such a beautiful album driving through the desert and certainly got that kind of fail where you can listen to it in the desert. Yeah No. That's that's interesting. That's the second Paul in a row that metallic blackout has been mentioned. Mac mentioned it last. Not last week on the PODCAST. I think he identified probably favorite album of all time by the way for those hardcore hardcore listening we covered the blackout important number thirty Some nine eleven Paul but the the album you now which is fine on right so basically they the album that you're referring to you before grace hearts and bones and he wasn't in a good way. Oh Paul Simon he I think he. I think he just separate. He was married to Carrie Fisher of Princeton laid for literally twelve on so not went to soften and he wasn't even could place and I think he went to. I think someone give him an old sort of rhythm and bass cassette but he just listened to incessantly I then one day went to his Labor. And said you know I want to go to jail Hamas book and they won't want to get a John that right. I think they sound so he did. He gave them this album. A knife found through the a lot of the work and I said Yeah. Got A guy there and it was during a potluck too so it wasn't easy as easy as Yakima pint of the Sun. Much political stuff around this and Yeah it's a perfect storm type situations. I think it seems that way. I didn't realize the magnitude politically of this album. Until you're researching it And and listening to it. I didn't pick up on it. It's what was it like thirty four thirty three thirty four years ago What the world's changed a lot but only when you were researching this realize that It was it was controversial Going over to six years after the UN At basically in response to apart Basically put a ban on travelling to South Africa. And he's not talking. I'm going over. There are found this this bootleg cassette from the boy. Oh the Bow Yoyo Boys. I had pronounced big and then went over there and they spent two weeks recording South African musicians and wall. There's a cultural boycott imposed against Africa because of a potholder. I had no. Id at all about that. It was really fascinating reading up about it carling and and he was it was viewed in in both really really negative wise by the local to you know because planning with the work apparently but then wanting to talk consumer students to get And so that was added to the tension. Ddat session can be pretty tense regardless of that stuff going on Yeah this story's gotten out and it's probably one of the first major albums featuring that that kind of African music the African Locals and backing and things like that and I again listening to the nominated. This Abbas is fantastic. Let's get stuck in out. Didn't realize and this is what I love about. Digging into into the album's he's all the background songs. I mean you know that he hits from the album but it's the second team songs It's this sorry much going on in. He is sorry much variety of songwriting. So much collaboration going on here. I think it's It's a fantastic album to get into totally an internal reports. Basically just record a jam sessions and winning blonde so this goes back to having pressure from the label. Look labels now gallon. You know he's money. Just do whatever you want. The united so he went over there with knocking plans lyrics. We just had a Siamese head you know and they just jammed out. Apparently father seeks songs and some of them went up to half an hour long kind back with those cotton and and you know in some of the songs we cut everything back except for the job Which is really cool. You know. It's it's such a different way of doing and a totally different way than I've ever recorded. But was it was awesome to to listen to have beautiful. Things put together even though it was so You know why. Have you thought of drawn record that way To Be Honest Thanh all the budget. I wish we could just take a year either monkey and just do that. domestic favorite maxine to and. That's sort of what they used to look into Friday moms and do it But I wanted ice with budgets plus seventy more. Unfortunately everything get a single at now you know getting onto now. It's it's People cutthroat and it'd be more people don't have patience then they used to just just She tell you not to be. That's an interesting point just to deviate graceland for a minute. Can you consume for you guys the recording? I mean do you. Do you studio talking For A for a certain period and and you go in there with us. Sort of an objective. Kpi to lay down five tracks in the week or ten tracks out of work you guys. What's the level of productivity before you away and go okay? We spend some money that we come out with this. We're happy with what we've achieved. Yeah well basically for all planning Tom but pretty happy with it And for all that Shoenberg usually a good step but we see the advantage. He's an amazing producer and recording. Go but the todd He he's quoted. A lot probably should have started getting because he was later involved They recorded a lot of that Shit yeah from two so the last couple of albums with this tried to get stronger dies which is still pretty. Tom Poll puts pressure on This law scout dispense lips to get to where we're happy with not where we're not banned but on So we actually hard. I have on top of the mountain overlooking the beach and this one We laid down maybe five or six tracks At that house which is a beautiful nail just now at the the carpet thing. We'VE GOT TOM. Sorry. Guess treating the dialect. Kim and I'm just getting a gun but generally they'll go right work coming with the scenic come on on greedy double by many on usually the interesting so I come nice to the very little an accountant until you How that works disappeared. Mind which is probably pretty Do Do you know? Do you know when you You know do you know when you've written a Banger? I was wrestling? Some kind of waste is in the gallagher brothers of you know so by musical legend than I was watching an interview with no gallagher about eight years ago and especially just talking about it to make last night at dinner and no goggles saying eight. Econ explain whether they come from but they fall out the sky and says I'm when you get a good one and you just know said of great songs over the years but he said I can count on one hand. The amount songs the lyrics I wrote I knew instantly that it was going to be a Banger. So in this case he was referencing. Live forever anger. You know those he said he just fall out of the sky and he says it's inexplicable do you feel that that's the case with you and and you'll some writing. East Austin with the bottom said you know. I don't know I think we and it's not so much as a kid talking about law. I'm not when we do it in the studio she's GonNa rip thought you know Yeah I duNno win. It'll translating the record offensive. People will listen to it and a lot of the time that surprised people got really walk that phone in your album. It's like really you know But on Stri that it's going to kickoff law just because my my background and playing in pubs and getting drunk I need to get some saw that you're on the table now come to a stop can be people who hate you love you. You know when you find Montan W line and you've just followed a strip but that that you've got to. You've got to try and convict the food that you will do as good or maybe you know like. That's a tough. That's a tough learning. Which one do you have you? Have you GONNA rock on? Uk pieces. We talk to interpretation once again. It's usually fish such thing as a bad. Oh okay maybe take take a picture of calm when you do a poll titans. I'm around a motorboat. Brilliant okay the Graceland. Let's get out grace plums especially we. Should we go through as we normally do chronologically track by track? So yeah linked with that. Yeah the well. The album titled Itself. The name of the Yeah I can play talk about that. Todd when we get into the the image. Cover the Abbotabad. It's over an Ethiopian Christian Arcand from the Collection of the peabody Essex Museum dining around fifteen hundred zero. There's obviously that African famous you look at the album cover and before we even get in that. I didn't necessarily pull that out. I I actually didn't really know what to make of it at first That cool tonight. Yeah that's cool I've got no idea running any other biblical references. I think he was it. Basically taking some some African and Banging it on the cover. Yeah I was trying to find it in the garage but Islam. It stands out you know. Look DIFFERENTLY COOP. Equally yeah. I've never known interesting. So I mean overarching. Li like if given our view of the album. I'm kind of thinking it's from for me it's it's a mix of different styles. It's a mix of different genres He pulls different things in. There's always a you're African ballots. He's got like is there are some some owners like fifties and sixties. Do up in the I it's it's just ECLECTIC What did you. What did you guys Mike? The album as a whole yeah. I think the sign on the message coach Fan. You know squeeze books in the school taught. It's it's got that netted African that's will pop on. I think anyone out on lenient. I look pretty bold. He'd already being punched in the face of these lost. I'll be married all that stuff. Even Shit Yeah and you steal but yelling you know people think stop and no longer valid. I think that's really sad. You know look. These people have created this industry really on the on songwriting and then they've seen yesterday's news out I mean you start with Johnny cash and then released her talk bad off. You know that have had to pull guys hang. That's such a good cover. It is see he does have that feeling of an is felt. Like you call remember you know. Pull on her with an old when he recalled this but knocking around for a long time with our golf with I'll come in and he doesn't seven Solo. But it does about by a little bit of last Chance Saloon. Here you know so. I'm just GONNA I'm just GonNa fucking push the bow and I'm going to take you to the next level and he really did right. I mean it's hugely diverse massively ECLECTIC and it was accorded a a very sensitive sort of franchise time in his life. But you know just she The shit diversity of the album. I mean my earliest memory of these. I guess like a you know quite a few people a reference. When I was doing my research was you know my my parents played in the car as a kid. Just just remember just remembering the every song I felt was really catchy. Didn't know about you about it. You know much about him but just remember so. It was nice to revisit it. I'm An and the reality is that thirty five thirty thirty five years on. It's still stands the test and it still continuously and consistently POPs up in the top twenty albums fulltime. Whoever's doing it whether it's rolling stone whether it's tripled advertise whichever platform or or magazines doing it and I'm not said something to Henry and I need you to but poseidon struck me as a as a so a note personality style. Guy Right he never. He's never been a big push now. He's never been gregarious or or over the top. But then you know we'll get to it when we talk about it but then he you know he did The video Chevy Chase he iconic video. Jimmy dykes deal and then some sort inside of and right But he now it's getting pretty dry you know. There's no way to see giving away to introduce to sit down and have a chat and see what he can do whether he's one of those somewhere auditory drain in a different realm so he can sit at a different level which might come across as rude. I mean offending. He's got big style. Phone the WHOA. And then you say beautiful dude so. I'm coming but It would be interesting just to sit down with even tens have the local at the ball over the city and have a chat off from from the songs ought to know whether it's just his singing style where he will almost told through his lyrics and talk through. He's stories but I just listening to this album going. Yeah this is. It was different from a before about the work that he was golf on. This just seems said so much different to that. Work in are just go to Dylan VOB throughout this whole album. I think we'll be more edgy. To block the GOP oncle stuff was like beautiful harmonies and very clean and almost saif offense like it was totally from that Tom. You tribute all the time And this is this is a you know. It's when old at eight six with coming out. I mean this guy. You know I'm GONNA get African. Sing is books guys vice choir. Okay well you know it's pretty cool. The the basis for hanging on this album's well I'm GONNA saw man. Yeah but keep the Cooler. Moshe and read tune that The mixes with Don with devices as the mind source in terms of focus So that was really focusing on the by San. We're a lot of the time that's not me I did such a beautiful triplets fans. Draw he stuff like you know I. It sort of bridge the gap between traditional African and pop music. I think absolutely Rome. Yeah absolutely yeah. Co- do we should. We should crack then. Zuid so we. We've already done forty five minutes to take now. Sorry good night. This is good enough run or do you need to have a top up. You know once and I'll go. Yeah I don't WanNa be stumbling Adana be like seeking Thais on at the end of the kind that that would be amazing all right so so. We're cracking on boy in the bubble one minister Lodi May. How do you feel about it on Look to be honest view. It's a great opening And then what are you GonNa do you? Listen to the miracle take lyrics like I just I just quickly copied some 'cause I just wanted to say it was a slow day. The Earth Lawn on a slow day in the sun bathing on the song but a thought of the road instantly co Kelly brought us they write lyrics and you know what he's so you can see it in your brain dip Yes it was brought lot et CETERA. Even if something does the bomb in the baby carriage was wide to the radio. You know like throw taxi right Van and you can listen to that song you wouldn't you wouldn't know that that's what he was talking about. You know the tech to the lyrics and the thought well. I'm sorry I cut you off is such a strong. I think It starts with. I know so. I don't know just made the connection. But I I've got my notes I it starts. Close Your eyes and listen to from the very beginning at it. Almost sounds like on backing robinhood days. And I've ridden down stop to the MEDIEV- Accordion Notch before thumping drumbeat kicks in. And then realize the fucking album covers for fifteen hundreds. There's a link link. I'm that according to the front. It seriously like something. Out of robinhood days I love this. I think it's it's got a really nice change of pace between the chorus and verse on it I think lyrically. It's it's great. I think lyrically throughout the album. It's it's great And Yeah it's a lot of different topics. He's talked starvation terrorism Yeah there's a balance between what he's talking about exactly. What kind was saying before you can just picture you can see it And it's also positive to you know these are the days of Muruga wander currently with this curve stuff going on so much bad she. Don't you know these? Are the guys near in one way more secluded about miracles in one day you know? And that's what the courses all about. Yeah I read something that he Something he said about this song pullman said was hope and dread that's the way I see the world a balanced between the two but coming down on the side of hope and I think it's it's really is great. I mean clearly clearly adjusted position between outlets and optimism and and and I was also reading as that you know this actually took four months to complete which seemed like a bit of a slow train. You have spent four months on Sunday. I haven't spent four months to win anything but I am selling price. And can you imagine Coleman took a lot of talk? I didn't drink. It took so long because they ended up giving. I'm not really when teachers who stuck with coming in that will cut in type and then Recording it to digital and then chopping it up from this that's why it took so long and he took the cup. Two different GEOS locking New York and London and stuff So he didn't have any lyrics so he got Louis Patrice Remember Engineering I should say. He got him to cuddle. The you know and Boyle reports there was a time in the I imagine a one. They're all Fred Doll. Fits a turnaround jump shot? It's everybody jumps dawn. Every generation rose zero up. The pop charts. Medicine is magical a magical off boy. In the bubble the banning of the battle Diner Levi jaw lasers in John Maizels in general somewhere staccato signal formation a loose affiliation millionaires Nasr. And they took it is. It's a stroke nicely into track to which of course is the title track from the album. Graceland yeah it can incredible track on it takes actually seconds or something before he added the words and the first law and we all know Mississippi Delta which Johnny National Guitar Favorite Guitar Ponder National Tie. You know and so it's like the noise of that. It's it's incredible and Apparently came about. He knew he was recording the song and he just kept painting graceland overnight lyricist number and and you know come up with a melody before theory and they wanted that was better than graceland referenced. African because that was the whole volume has gone But he couldn't find anything and then he just go off. Stupidly Graceland Mary and then he thought I've never actually been greatly So he took a trip there and basically if songs all about the tricky took to get by plants. I read. That's too. I thought it was really interesting. And and when you yeah he pullman believed it was like represented like a spiritual journey kind of thing like he's he's on this spiritual journey to Africa Tick looked at different song melodies and rhythms and ideas and stuff like that. And now he's GonNa go to the the spiritual home of rock and roll in in Graceland Elvis and stuff like that and And revitalize that that love I think It's a it's a banging soon and it's it's just strong strong main bond to I love it right or is that that chicken travelling companion on the whole. He's the child of muscles marriage and then it goes into that little Kike was like basically I'm jumping in the car with my son from my divorce marriage to go to graceland. That's basically what you're saying. But then in the verse in described Beautiful Lied. I'll like such a beautiful song. It's a clear that country so that he's driving through in the and nets it. When you listen to the lyrics you can just imagine what it's what it's actually like featuring the Everley brothers on track as well. Yeah and yet the every brothers Absol- keys is I think what's interesting. I love the. I love the lyrics in this summer. That's been the lyrics to this song right right. You Know People that was reading dissertation about this song. Believe it or not there they were saying you know Mumbo jumbo but he breaks down right. It's Kinda like at the same time in lyrically as say Don McLean's American pie where you think you know if you're reminded on the surface you think it's Mumbo jumbo when you break Diane. Everything comes to lie but I love the lyrics and she said lose. Love is like a window in your hall and I said I know right. I mean yeah you just pulled out and stuff but this this song well as well as the album but this saw someone some of the year of the grammys. I mean lowest charting song to ever win song of the Grammy's like Sixty Sixty Korea of the off until two thousand nine and When robot clam sooner a thing with Allison Christ and they want some of the year and that was like even lower than gracefully. Say for like thirty years. It was the the lowest chance onto celebre wig some of the the grammies and stuff but this psalm the classic right. I mean it sounds beautiful. Yeah and I think that a lot of people say that you know regardless of what some of stand up. And he's one of those phones an empty stop it some looking at Colston empty the BBC. Grace there is new. York City calls herself a huge trampoline. Sometimes when I'm falling tumbling turmoil. Rebound singing degrees. We know your heart is. You'll blow views playing. This bar sleet and maybe just maybe there's no obligation now. Maybe we all in theory sir. I know what I know. What's the feeling on this? I really loved the The the beautiful seen that he has a nasty. I don't think I'm not sure if it was the truck but he flew a lot of a vocalist over from South Africa record. We didn't And apparently about the describes how the South African women take care of themselves And it's all about. He seen a haughty. Taty someplace really. Yeah totally she looked me over and I guess she thought I was overwrought or writing a sort of a limited right for an off. Naught thoughts like student like. He's he's he's he's Daniels for the term that guides for For Women and it's all about the the the the the power of African women but east instead of his personal about a girly SORTA potty. Y'All I love this song. This this are in. This album is really growing on me It's really grown on me and when you when you first nominated. It was like okay. Paul Solomon conflict into and I was like I don't know why you're one of the early on Sauna Golf oncle Larry albums. But oh I guess I'll get into graceland again. The album was grown. And this only particular familiar with. This is my favorite song on the album. It's all absolutely. This is my favorite man. I love the backing African voices. You better not choose as your shit. Song Man This yet that's the whole point of this. Yeah Hands Hands. Down for me. Now this is this is my favorite song and I think it's any combat in the last twenty four hours as a band listening to the album. A lot of the backing African vocals. I've a he's lyrics It's just this is really the first song where I really got that African VOB coming through For me this is. This is more standout track on the album. Awesome cool and I think it's the lyrics goes through it gets deeper into Kane and Secondly she said there's something about you that really reminds me of money. It's like having a behalf which to me that whole Hollywood. You know you can do. Three can be like that that whole thing. What can I get out of them? we're talking. I'm very interesting won't TD's already try to do. I Love I love it. I think it's great. I mean it's not the Best Sony. Our message fact You've you you've already gonNA call it so generally speaking. We saved the sheets onto the until the end. I've noticed over the last couple of weeks. Td You saw a nineteen your favorite song pops up when you do it all at the end. I said this really exhausted. The course very cool man I. It's just it's not like a classic chorus. It's not like a Lucky. You can call me. Al Or a grace and it's it's a cool course and it's just there's something about it. It's not immediately catchy. Like top the charts. But it's just like yeah really. I'm digging it. Yeah I know what I know what I said we'd come and we go back go genius totally about God's Word against her thank us She's been a bachelor reminds me a money and she was the kind of girl. Say things weren't that funny. What does that mean? I really remind you of money to say I'm not what I have said though Little shopping then. He's on it the lyric lyrics about it and we lead into track for which of course gum boots at. Canine celebrate gumboots. It's actually a classic sci he's GonNa fight something twisted gum that really applies to. We don't know you didn't know about Ya. That's what like Y- The discussion impact be hidden bands. And it's one of those little boys and you're like he's GonNa talk as well. It's the story thanks song. Yeah this is the right. It's just it's Dylan Esque. It's just he's storytelling. Yeah totally I think he originally wrote it. I think he wrote the lyrics and the voyageurs wrote the. The music And so he went over. There heard these and then Then he wrote the lyrics to match this song. That's what happened with yourself. Yeah well the boys who are featured on this song they were on the the bootlegged cassette that he heard that made him go over there and then I think they put him in touch with your With group that's right. Yeah the they must beat him up and said what songs they play needs from then the lyrics I think I think it's a bad I think you make some people like I from what I can remember they they. They're not a fan of him but then he just tried to tell them you know like look at me a different lot. You know You don't go. You can love off to the United States. So the sign. Look at me Maybe from a different perspective. And then yeah you could. You could love me if you look at the different languages there's locale for message isn't really getting Whatever I mean you know genuine storyteller I find. It sounds almost conversational. You know. It's almost a little bit matter of fact And that's why I love. And and not the underlying quality of this album. The everything that he's singing about is almost conversational and on the mixed messages and and the strays from an Article V. Somehow comes together beautifully the end and I really liked him. I rely Sugar and it's like a distant drumbeat background every this figuring that in the background and stuff interview construction song. It's it's it's a strong strong track for. I remember strong definitely in the top. Five talk like trucks will definitely all I I. It just fades with him just like talking often trailing into the distance coming. It's just there's no like there's no hard stop for it. It's just like it's it's GonNa keep on going and going to keep on going and going to keep on going to this this infinite energy to it that's what the Hall Song Beutel Story. And then yeah. I was having this discussion in attacks yet in Barrow. Ten rear engine position on his friend of a little bit of a break down. I said you know breakdowns. Call Rate Bells go. So what are you GONNA do? That's difficult was in the early morning hours after all leeming. I am supernatural powers. I slammed into a brick wall. I said as a small crowd Paul. If that's the way it's going to be a whole golf neighbor. Feel then truck fall. We're a pro. Yeah we're approaching the halfway care for the album. Let me try five. I mean I'm in on the soles of the shoes. Yeah should we all who a brief Like when it starts with the traditional African which they do not go to are there any? I didn't have any tycoons On as the lion king or something. Yeah we I compliment. But it's Song you loved it yeah. Lady Smith Blackman Bazo C They about who sport and interestingly enough house raising it off on the some local talking about that. He found they couldn't sing. I'M MONIQUET Monaco. Letting voice it traditionally. I don't have that in this sort of musical vocabulary. Have you there Which is interesting. Now he's going to be you got. Yeah you have that voice it because whatever reason Physical also Niger. Tunnel talks You listen to the song and then opening a beautiful example of that. That's just incredibly song. It over near my eyes. So it's almost like an old dupe style. Like it's but it's just fused with this African backing It's it's just different. This is different and cool and then you know. It's the perfect blend of local saw the American stuff on traditional African And because of these mostly if not all Acapella so roar and all that you can't harm you know these beautiful blend African music and and Tom. I guess you can call it. Imagine I can imagine live. This is a great song right and it's not sort of opening minute with the harmonies and stuff. You can imagine when he does this. Live he drags on for five or ten minutes you know. Someone's like a you know. A pilot cleanse the rest of the song. It's they can you know and it. It's a real for me. It's a real defining moment in the album. Like grace timed. Obviously you know up to this song. Graceland is the best song but this is A. There's a real moment in this song. Way Way where he goes completely off paste. I don't think he was testing. 'cause it's a parent with this some kind of just doing what he wants to do here. More than ever you know and yet Onto diamonds on the songs themselves shoes. I is great. Everything about it is beautiful structure. Them and also features are can pronounce his name. But that yes some that old guy who singularly singer percussionist and I I know about him until twenty five years ago and he could attract with Neneh. Cherry's like a hit apologists of the US. But you you hear it in his song you really hear the Cussin' Sangley and You know for me this is. This is a strong song five. I don't know why but I got a real strong Ben Haapala convoy vehicles like a Ben Hopper con avoid. I've been hopping Kelly rock. And whether it's because he's got an abacus diamonds on the inside and the dominance of issues or if it's actually did but on a on India listen to a Gambro sharing down Ben Harper Ben Harper Ben Harper. Yeah totally and it's you know. She tried to hide it on the phone. She's not scared to flaunt. In imagery of having gone from the shoes Buckwald got so much money. This trend on it. Or you don't care about it but Lincoln's Which is to kickoff Bad in talking to you though exactly what? I was talking to talking about soles shoes. I track six. You can call me Al Colts. Yeah well I think it's popular song. Our team not know my favorite. It's also not much this sheet sum up the I'm wondering which truth But it's definitely nice popping for the catchy hooky of the them Lyrically Janssen men will stay on. The street says felt in the middle. Now it's like man you just as soon as you got them out but just picture in your head and your Bryant an I think yeah beautiful white to listen to where you can just be transported to that moment or two that that thing that they're talking about a commercially was the biggest to actually the lead single. I think it was as wealthy album. Yeah Yeah Yeah it's it's Eight seven so Story guards pulsar used to live next door to Lorne michaels. Who's basically the genius behind Saturday? Night live right. Sec's been that's again. Regains is called lighten so they they originally shot another video for this song and it was just a bit blind man so long. Michael said listen. You know this is the high Chevy Chase's fames or night eighty six eighty seven and he said well. Why don't you do a video a bit of speed thing with with Chevy chase and not tire the kid rock song? The music video came along Ryan. Yeah the truly iconic music video. I was just what she smoking are seeing. Prep for this and I funny and then sudden suddenly from now you realize you know told me about how he so dry. Sunday does sense of humor often will cause Chang. He comes on a minds. The song and play eat the whole section in its entirety pulse. I'm and just getting back and forth trying to figure out what to do and stop fun. I it as one of his best known songs. Great Vocal I'm not bit with the I think it's called a penny whistle which presented harsh recorder party. Kicks in is is brilliant debates and everything about it rights is fantastic so this is not my song it certainly not my shit some CD. What's your take on? It may be probably GONNA call it from then on anything anyone. No one would call this unless you just wanted to be controversial. I off this album. I think This is one of the hall. Lots of the album And in fact I had a lot of the album written down until literally the last four hours when Track three on on. What on I kinda like top for me. But it's just such a catchy reef I mean you can't you can't he. That reef then it's not like there's no you tap your fate when you hear it you just know it And there's not many. There's not many rifts. Like that It's just fucking it rips us like it's awesome and I think the film clips criteria because it was obviously a pretty serious. Tom And there's a lot of backlash about being there. So we just going. You know what I'll do Tommy and jay talking to prove that like you know. I'm respectful but at the same time. Lets Talk Yeah? Take the PISS. 'cause he don't mind though cause saying thing and then nicknamed he's good he's ten he's glorified record has been alleged in. I'm cold. Yeah well I. I think as well in this song like H I is. Its own mini journey and we're talking about. Graceland is a Grace end in the song we had. He's going on a spears with journeys. It's kind of like that with this as well. So he's got you start down this midlife crisis you know with their ex exactly what you were saying before. Cain leads the spiritual journey and this couple lawns in here that I love where he says. I don't want to end up like a cartoon in a cartoon graveyard and exactly what you were saying before. Around. You are disappearing for the kind of thing is he actually simple summons at our guests. I was saying what can you don't WanNa be in a relevancy and and not? Just be one of these big fees but then when he's talking about being a he doesn't want to end up like a cartoon in a cartoon graveyard some something really interesting is that when he. Gal Funchal I started. The first band was actually called Tom and Jerry. Before so I'm GONNA go up uncle. I don't know if there's a link there but Yeah I just found this afternoon but I liked the lyrics. Select the chain. It's a catchy. Riff it's definitely one of the hall. Lots on they Yeah you can call me. Al Is apparently you got mistaken. This is classic. This'll be classic may at a party. Just I'm great with faces. But she claims and apparently he and he's walked Peggy called L. and Betty at a party and more. Yeah that's that classic today at a party where I introduced someone with the completely wrong name but yeah so we can just so we decided you'll great with okay take just to fill you in. Td as the words fucking memory in the world. You'd like a goldfish right. He's he's worse is worse than a goldfish. Take like a goldfish on steroids. And that's still nowhere near what? Tv decide you're you say you're great with faces shit with main man bollocks on people's faces and you know when when someone recognized you on the straight and narrow them you just don't know how you know them and then they do. These awkward thing without workshop that I pretend that they don't say you know it's like when I saw you. I know you like. Let's just acknowledge it? But then they walk off. That always walk the walk off. When you're like fuck. That was my dad's shift you no. I'm I'm I'm phases. Bit Name was I'm like L. Yeah that he just everyone out and bitty good at eight hundred hit song from it. So at the very least man walks downstate stream the strange. Maybe it's the third doesn't speak lay holds no currency. He is a foreign surround. Sir Live in the mark to angels in the Architecture de Packing winds out track sick leave into under African skies truck. Seven general thoughts on their K- Once again just as soon as the God damn amount choices types as black as not. I carry the pilots Moon Sean. We've all been in those nine way you know you're under a moonlighting in Linda. Ronstadt actually staying within it did Try Animal So it's yeah it's just me and once again just imagery it's beautiful. I think this is one of those songs. Right really was saying like there's an ECLECTIC Style in this album this is. There's nothing else on the album like this one. It's still got African themes in and things like that but It it's almost like I'm hearing a church choir seeing As the first track of the second sawed won't remember on No yeah you're right it because the first side is six tracks and second saw Saudis five. So Yeah Yeah. Unfortunately he didn't do enough research. Evidently yeah sneakier. Maybe memory from a Linda Ronstadt thinking after about like Childhood Memories Golfing. And it's all about that and a few other stories expect to other people in the studio. I think it's really good. He actually if he doesn't have any lyrics. Lucky dealing with this is just off people. You know you've got an idea like we'll tell me your earliest memory. And then he's put it into assault on a beautiful melodies that it's one of the whole album he listens probably gonNA sign it again this week and I'm like well I've forgotten rather they not listen to the words United Melody and yeah just come back teen grinding this tomb wherever you have parents who have like yeah yeah it does a chance to the you know he says these are the roots of rhythm the reach of rhythm remains. I mean you know you know how much I love alliteration. Td You must've changed your underway listening to this album so many times. Yeah so we definitely want. He's actually making. I still make you usually so I'd Arabic coffee or not. I mean the I want my wife's blind over this chair with a maybe a dead body under it. But there's a blanket on a chat on sound in all sped veteran. I like to talk to next TV channel. And she. Yeah she yeah. She's in Sydney at the wrong. Hong Kong TD Zero Tol- to can you ask what is a blanket sharing all spare bedroom an awesome? Show what it's going to reveal but But yeah no it's it is the the first of Second Fiat out of it's lovely. It's resonates with me to the African do up again like the Government Bob backing but I think I mean do backing sort of line to unit it is. Yeah track compensation for polcy after the team of falling. Call Your Raila other words the Russillo Russillo thing you was as okay track? I hardly Initial thought to utd and it's a strong start at the beginning with African vocal. Pull from just comes in the back end really with This is probably he's least contributed to song I feel like it's yeah he's just comes into the end is predominantly African melodies To it but it's featuring ladysmith black man Basel. I don't know too much about her or just her down in the in the Tall Knight's up dump a couple of times right. Yeah I think it's actually a group. Sorry yeah so yeah. Yeah so I think originally our mile record. And that's what I was saying but for like they couldn't Boyce Monaco because I didn't have that In background but yes so that they're actually thinking and that would pretty traditional `top standing finger and whoever was the producer the studio someone the warner equivalent in South Africa. He knew these guys and he's like getting the amazing. I'm sorry that's that's what we're thinking is based on one of their traditional Yep and then obviously Pulls on comes with the homeless time. Let's move on. I mean not like an the truly cooling together now. The twenty fifth anniversary edition is out computer that they saw. Thanks Very Cool. Man Actually Fun on the original version on the twenty five year with all the demos and things like that on the. Yeah Yeah I had to say but yeah it's really cool to he. You know it started guitar and then all of a sudden stuff. The African singing. It's beautiful. What are your thoughts. Say? It's it's very. Yeah very I mean I gotTa Say. It's one of the earliest memories of this. I'll have this song. 'cause I remember as a kid so it was played in the background or in the car. Wherever just you know. It's a six year old or wherever I wasn't eight six would have been six like I just. I just remember it being just so different to anything that I ever heard before right and not. Your heavy applicant influence these. These the these voices that you would just unconventional for this period of time. You know and and he was on for the eighteen. He was really cushioned some massive allergies. I also wonder heating though at the time the impact that this would have you know the the grinds that he was making the progress including making you know 'cause a lot of these Africa. South African musicians went onto have correze huge careers as a result of this album. Right Kelly Band. You know look uranium. Yeah it's a whole pay it forward thing i. I wonder whether Tony was. He was GonNa you know just whether he was just like you know as we said this is my last chance of this or you know. I love you. Do I think it's brilliant. Yeah Yeah it's and it's like this is a pop album you know. We're GONNA remember that. He was on born when controlled. I respect that full Princeton Madonna. And then he's coming out with these traditional back stop talk And apparently the the warranting dig it. They didn't WanNa put anything into the crime. And it was such a wasn't one of those ones I relate and and you can sort of a commercial point. I mean we're coming from point A. Dig It got we. Can you imagine giving it to the x? And she can cry the Commercial. I think I would have. They would have enjoyed it much at all until release it got picked up. Yeah and it's like fuck that she can be getting. People nearly responded to it because I think it was kind much stuff going on. Maybe they wanted to be okay me too routine. African stuff down two zero two two news style on a B.'s. Stong Long Mass Steve. Long somebody somebody say alone with somebody cry solid. It's solid and so try next track. Track Ninety eight crazy love volume two now my missing something. You'd miss fucking volume one or something glistening allies volume two. Yeah why's it anymore notes auditory. Look yeah well. What is aiding that curry will talking to have a full blown up by. It goes straight so I went with a child. Frasier not fuck man. She's just chicken like you said. Yeah that's actually. Where are you from Are you hate is 'cause people always yeah tonight say these people always Right okay My boss laughs at me right. 'cause so basically. I'm from Wales. Yes by I spent most of my soul Most of my time in and around London someone else has a right show either brand as well he goes so the people never locked way you from my From London way but But yeah he's mentally time anyone except when my family So so But Yeah No. I spent time in London. They're all dead. Trim exit from Birmingham inherited. That's why Which is up there. Too right yeah. My brother was born in Harry. I very an intimate. It's on in Birmingham over. The is but yeah no obviously to cover you. Bram. You'll see why you go with the segue three hours to get there but finally realize where you go without when you're on the job for easy trying You know the for the recording Crazy love yeah. I'm pretty so volume one. He's the demos that it's ongoing tonight. Interesting I think that's my life from that But it could beat him to spend you know trying to be cool like as people would have listened to whereas well you won the won But I would on the twenty fifth anniversary edition with the Demo types There's a track called crazy love and them on the track over to cold. You're not belonging to a while thinking that. Yeah that would make sense. 'cause like I love IT I. I think it's a cool song. It's this is brings it back now to more of us off rock kind of song. Electric Guitar Swap backhands. Bit Afoot are the I the light of the back of it All have to go back on that first demo then listen to volume one do that check out all the time because I think that six of them qualify them It's almost like This buckets stems from the original recordings. And you've got all that kind to get to treat each product with with listen to what would you thoughts so right. Yeah it's it's so bad I see it self deprecating places but seems seems like quite sad some of the oval sort tone of the song web. I mean seems quite upbeat I take the opening sequence open second I like. Yeah just kept this volume on now. I know where it goes your contribution and done can hang out now looking. Yeah you're right would be a negative song. I don't WANNA call it. These crazy love love but Okay Dot Com Ninety. Two with a haughty potty. Now you just want the love. What do you talk to me call? What are you could I did raid somewhere that he wanted to create this album. Almost like a play where he would. He would lie tracks out an old tonight's between playful more serious songs and I think he he said somewhere in quiet. He wears you guys as play the Mood Cape. Changing a serious song my lead into an abstract song which may be followed by humor so we had this whole idea exactly what he was talking about like. Yeah I'm just GONNA fuck with paypal basically and we're going to use the song and you're just taking on this journey of ECLECTIC style and Yeah different feelings. Yeah and I think the audience that especially with different It it until much lock. That different acts thick accent and different things in clear added to an album that was played as an adult like now John Pike Dot to finish. This is lying. He he takes you on a journey so true I take it back and I think that's probably maybe what for so Onto African scholars up the second saw that well you know it's not that country broke sort of rhythm it's gone beyond everything going we've crossing the crusher. Galvin's we will remember. That meant to be listened to track the track only that John. Enjoy he says this view of my life to be off the final track track as that was your mother Just how do we feel about this? Or this is all the stuff that I love and Promo- Reports Nice Accountable somewhere in the US and sold them. And he's like I want them to play the song And then make design. Ten affects crank in the Disgrace books. He's doing anything and I think he took square blocks prior on Onto Woolsey cold welcome John Ydstie and the twisted L. cold new buying John Goodwin. Dupes in twisters rocket dukes. Here and every time he joined the band contributing to with incur. But it's like it goes from African stuff to to I guess music which has its roots in her And it's it's it's a good Tom. Saw- I love it because I used to get drunk to a band called dotty and get off trucks as the young fellow until it on. This sort of takes me back to really. Did you just say you get chops as a young fellow? Would I apologize? Dot Com? Yeah saying grew up in my head amazing good effects and One of the best bands needs to go on the upper snaking bottle orange juice. Coconut new sign and And that's what got me tastic open. Thought I'm I'M GONNA golden years. Yeah that'd be a good Tari. They're taking nothing except Oh they do dos addiction. Day of my girlfriends but We yeah we go up there to get away but yeah it's a good. Let's not let's not she don't go. I take you back speaking this shit on people. What did you think Iraq tractor with your mother? This is the I get. I mean yeah it's it's completely different. It's like a fifties blues. You feel it's something you seem like back to the future one It sounds like the Accordion. Roy Is Accordion. Is that the squeeze box like yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah Penn accordion like it feels like I'm on the Paris Metro. You don't have to go over to the Paris metro and guarantee you're going to get three bucks on with the Paris with the accordion trying to like you know I get a couple of years off you and you just got such a strong field to this To this song it just kind of takes me. Yeah it's like how could you not? That's the French court in the southern states of America. That's where these media come right. Okay yeah that the France the French influence blues routine stuff which where the where the washboard comes from. 'cause obviously civil war that dropped all the instruments. They would make an instrument that or whatever they could And that's where some of these unique style kind from the French will boy. I mean this isn't mushy song off the album. But it was I'm until I kc to a guy It and then again the law style too. It's just it's kind of really grabbed me on fire of I've kind of enjoyed listening to a biscuit. It's it's it's so different the rest of the album goodies. Sort OF EXPANDS OUT PINK. We don't want to stand it too much Yeah you could be given time saving part of the album But I think if you listen to it just on a marriage which is what we do now with all songs related because the cool. Good Tom Song and once again the lyrics are you know about the lyrics earn ninety yep it's like banning on the corner of Lafayette Louisiana. You can just you can pitch a standing. Because he's he's he's gone all all around him wondering where a city boy could go to get a little compensation drink a little red lawn Catching a little bit of those guys. Go dancing the dirty college like Outta town He's he's standing in the coin here in Chicago down. He wants to drink a little bit of one and get those and suzy. He's got Yup exactly what he told them. But it won't. Yeah I I had died on Yeah NO DOUBT. It reminded me of fifty jobs numbers well but more importantly we couldn't get through. One poll cost the dude bringing up. Trump's that's annoyed. Be Nice throw it. So he throws in the fucking parrots metro because he to French. I am actually one quarter French I we. There's nothing about not feeling I'm standing on a state one hundred list. Courtesy sure catch girls dancing prayerbook sweet Christmas Day. My brand blocks in the the the cleanser. Yeah we've talked all great great name. For some right night fingerprints they really all about screenplay texts would be so they didn't have any budget cuts blacking down in the valley. All I thought this is a really uplifting finish are kind of really liked it is more fair more pulls arm and talking lyrics like he's he's e- storytelling by I'd just really enjoyed it. Yeah well I'm GonNa let you want them. Guess where this one. Wow yet interesting well through it but not not raising you think so. I love this album. And so we have not heard the conjecture and and you know the negativity around you know. We've spoken about There was a lot of people talking about these songs in particular that he stole. From one of the band's I haven't loved up right. Yeah Yeah yes. Yeah and and it's interesting announced on Karadzic other people and the phones have been popular. He makes a lot of the time. You get together your Auto Song. You leave the studio. You don't think anything of it because I think What's happened here is obviously going onto to still million and then Band of common said you know you stole the D. and I got these little quite Pile right he said it was not a pleasant deal for us. I mean he quite literally in no way. Gla- exaggerate when I say he stole the phone from us we go in the studio and he had quite literally nothing. I mean no. No confidence said well. Let's just Chan pogos. Hey what's that? Stop playing what we have an exactly what you're on the record. So we're like okay well shit home. And then obviously gang busters on the raisin pulled. Haman knew about that they had a problem with that when you gotTa look for me. It's really hard interesting. I think this is the sheet of because there's so much negativity around it right. He says she says that. Sort of stuff. The graphic that's correct. Yeah and it's like it just tarnishes that a little bit I think yeah Paul Simon said I wanna get a little public flaming. Not sure these but these kids coming up. So we've finished recording three months off those nine mentioned of joint rotting so studio session. You WanNA communicate that early on know Joe will get off. Yeah yes I look. If we're GONNA do this that's mad. Let's go right but maybe you know we'll do compete or thirty seven whatever the year. I don't think that conversation happening. And the phones going gangbusters. Full on as much of it and then all my oil. WanNa supply which we've never know the bookstore day shook and Just put a doctor on on the whole track. Oh no much. They had gone up almost out of the woods. Yeah that's right. Yeah but it's quite a jovial song in place. Despite this I'd I'd read that as well and despite the negativity around jovial places but then it ends with a quiet thought lyric right. He's he says that's why we must learn to live alone so we go deep a couple of weeks ago. We were talking about. You Know I. I was talking about lyric by Mike skinner from the streets. You born alone and you die alone and then the dude you know round about whether you actually do Diallo somebody. Law Pop is met the literal and stuff. But it's it's a song but when you read about the negativity around and then you look at that. Lost Line something like that. There's a tension in this in the lyrics and in the song so I think you know the canes point that's been out for Friday you know of of of the fact that they recognise literally split the song. We just stolen some of them. I we'll we'll never know the true story true story going. Yeah but that's yeah. I not me and some jasmine and it's not just all around the world the in there's a former army band and there's no doubt about it was a bit of a breeze. Army was and Sunday ever since the world all the black jazz around. Cd WE'RE GONNA take a lead the professional. That's yeah well that that's kind of it. That's that's Graceland I mean yeah. I think it's the question that we have to ask ourselves now is. Is it a stone cold classic? I'd say I think every every poll told us nine nine. Yeah Yeah we debate this. I think I think we we need to loosen the rules a little bit more organised on Co classic to me for me is undoubtedly stone cold traffic. Although I was you know revisit else are long. I was Kinda took a little bit to get back into it but when I did very natural if an album multigenerational if you could affects people in certain y you could try and if a trend poke people certainly and and and sorry effect on the cost you know and this is one of those album like you know my parents do. Yeah Yep that's a good definition because they remind okay definition of abode with forty episodes We sometimes get unstuck and we say like your revolver. You've got yellow submarine on something. It's like well. It's not a cycle. Classic like not every track is a banger. But I think what this does politically historically What it does with the gener- and fusing genres and things like that It it moved the dial and for me because of that. It's a stone. Cold Classic. So wait so we so obviously. Td Amateur is. He dropped his ships on very early on. I know what I do best. Yeah that's my favorite song okay. Sorry it's your favorite Com- get Larry fucking Y- Y you can fly over you like he talked to the guy when there's no planes flying in game your head but you facetime. I'm so you can't your shit. Song just to clarify is around the world or the myth of fingerprints. That's yeah that's the case in this scenario. Td what is your friend. Ongoing is Homeless Smith Lousy. He's all you gotta go with all the light. Coal man like what was going to go with. That was your mother But are just enjoyed. The why that was. Your mother was was different. I can't do it because of that whereas homeless. I feel like I. It was probably pull Salman's lease contributed to track on this so I just didn't. It didn't grab me as much as everything else. Yeah you gotTA BE GRANDMA. And then what's the point that's it you will what's going on what's what's our best song of the. What's my favorite. Yeah lands this time and I was like forty seconds and fuck you can keep Delta Sean. I'm lacking National Guitar Clock. That's beautiful Pity for me and you know. Just after hearing raising existed Nissan and You know the Fan National Guitar Man. Yeah and if you can imagine driving through the desert with that song which I did you know. Dozens of times. It was underpaid seven through a liberal and ultra strategy. Man Song for me. That's cool but you won't best song on the album. I'm still trying to get over. The homeless things like that is shocking. Make the call out ship. Twenty years of friendship is tested by that. Not only anyway. Look I know I? I'm a copycat but I would take my shit song as as the last song like Kate. All around the world or the midst fingerprints song was a voice. So did it for me but again once again not I'm copying Kane but my favorite song is great just because it's a it's a piece of narrative and storytelling and When I grow up when I'm older and more mature I want to be in a band like pain and Be Able to talk about this stuff much. I know what I'm talking about so I'm going to use LAUDI. Yeah Yeah exactly. I I on the very individual person but I agree with everything everybody were. Hr need it like get along that of me trying to sleep with. You never slept with a musician before. We'll beat them. Okay Yeah I'd say that's my TV. He's homeless icon actually. I know you'll find some worst vis nine. That's controversial we want Scotland boss of the sign that we end the singles and I'm just going out there with unknown. What my favorite. So they can go and get That is that is that he's Graceland by Paul Solomon Featuring Kane diddly from the band nine hundred twenty even though we're in so fossil Asian. What's on the what's on? The horizon viewers all the alcohol addiction. she told me for coming ahead. We're doing live streaming games. We're releasing a single on Monday I'll give you the diet because I don't know when Monday used to people but it's actually Twenty Twenty April right and twenty percents Done amazing from Turkey. We found this guy and he's capable because I do you copy attributable ramp and get an identity I'm getting some meeting. Must be released on Monday. we're doing laws training with finishing their album and macho wants to wait to the heart and instagram. Handle is at one nine twenty in the woods burn website San Simon dress like it's just nineteen as in the letters one on and then the would the lessons twenty nine hundred twenty minutes ago com perfect. Go well we'll give you a plug out there as well and Yeah recommend everyone to jump on it as well. Won't you going to Graceland? Yeah why not necessarily great time likes in general right. I mean we got three hours ago things on wall new will if a vision to bring back you know. I'm just liaising with Geldof. The mind would see the full by now. I look I say Okay we we spoke before he wanted and traditionally we've always done a a special guests every ten podcast and now we're now we're finding musicians that we contact and I'm going to bet more times that are a bit more set they It's it's very nice to get through to get some ads on my friend and and And she got anymore wrong in the future now by OBI she anytime in the future you are more than welcome to come on as a guest for the Goldman Dotson until the can we can. We saw give a teaser of Who IS COMING UP IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS? So do you want to keep it very Sarah? And he'd give it as a Knick so we are currently talking to a few musicians one of them as a member of Rock and roll Australia Band Jack He's committed to come on in a couple of weeks. We've got Ricky Solo Office. Who were massive funds on of and he's told extensively around the world of these kind of moves in the same circles as Rufus wainwright and call our. He's talking to us. We're trying to get data diary. I'm a couple of other Australian musician. So we try to basically take take advantage of this corona virus if that makes sense on patent words with friends so kind of a as a segue they have you go anyone and you'll circle that you'd recommend to get onto the ducks and have a good choice of album to discuss all asked. Greenwald or maybe Jecklin my little check your okay cool wait. We traditionally not sort well you know. I think we contacted Shit. We sent him a few times right. Said we contacted him yet. He's actually. He's actually a big crowd of you guys. Take your big annoys. Maybe even all night when It's really cool to say because we got a little bit together and yeah all right well. We'll draw backs of art and stuff and Look Rolling Out. Cain any to roll out to different. Draw them today. Don thanks for a guy called teen for law truck to if you can stuff that. He's a dirty filthy disgusting Qatar town. It's like yeah it's sex guitar really run. Give it a crisis pay. He picked the song. I literally. Don't know Dan Max chose Zeppelin last week. You know I got a nice surprise. Yawkey LEARN AMAZING. Blues Guitarist that cost over into the poll. Thirty nine with the bat us. Check him out and thought it'd be some stuff beyond side and yet it's really cool. Sweet well thank you. Thank you for your time. You've been absolutely crash. You love the inside the stories and the batter and yeah you look at yourself man. Pretty good thanks so much going. Thank you thanks. Boys Suites. Hey skills me know. Hey You I don't know you know.

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Marriage Boom: Sin City Edition

The Indicator from Planet Money

09:34 min | 3 months ago

Marriage Boom: Sin City Edition

"N. p. r. Twenty twenty was the year of pressing pause. We put off graduation parties. Thanksgiving dinners bar mitzvahs. And a lot of people even press pause on getting married and that includes you write heggie. Yes that does we should say you are a reporter with the mountain west news bureau and you brought us a story that has partly to do with you. You were supposed to get married last october. We had this really awesome barn that was rented out in a beautiful valley in montana on a wildlife refuge but then covert hits everything. Shut down and you cancelled your wedding. Yes we did We cancelled it Like how did you and your partner christine feel about that. We actually took it really well. I mean weddings are kind of scary. You know there's lots of people lots of planning. Lots of money and christine was was definitely happy that we decided to cancel at first it felt kind of selfish but once the initial shock wore off felt the opposite of selfish felt really great. I love this woman. I love this woman as well now. The actual cancelling part was really hard. We called it the venue and i they said no. You can't cancel. I know they had this. Act of god clause in there that specifically said you can't get your money back if there's a pandemic what did they know exactly but we were able to eventually cancel it by the way like i think they were. Totally overwhelmed by the sheer number of couples. Were canceling that year. But at least we weren't you out seventy five hundred dollars going into debt like a lot of people do right because the average wedding in the us from what i understand is like more than twenty thousand dollars. People spend a lot of money getting married but almost half of couples either cancelled or postponed their wedding plans in twenty twenty. Yeah and that costs the wedding industry. An estimated twenty five billion dollars in losses but as the pandemic is easing and vaccination rates are up way. More people are getting married. And there's this wedding boom including in america's wedding capital viva las vegas. This is the indicator from planet money. I'm stacey vanik. Smith and i'm heggie today. We're going to sin city through a story of recovery little bit a loss and a celebrity back from the dead right after the break. This message comes from. Npr sponsor capital. one capital. One auto navigator can help you find a car get prequalified instantly and see your real monthly payment without impacting your credit score capital one. What's in your wallet. Terms and conditions apply more at capital. One dot com slash auto navigator. There were so many chapels in las vegas that i could go to stacy but graceland chapel. I mean how. Could i not check that one out. That's where i met brendan paul. I'm the owner of the chapel as well as the resident elvis minister. You've gotta love in elvis minister right. We can't go to las vegas and do a story about weddings and knocked talk to an elvis impersonator. It would be journalistically. Irresponsible absolutely and paul is probably one of the most famous ones in the city. I mean he's got this died. Black pompadour black bedazzled suit sunglasses. He started doing this almost three decades ago. It's crazy musician. I playing in punk bands actually in l. a. and so i came here to kind of largest to see what would happen. My parents go to vegas. You try to be an awesome person and next in japan. I'm in berlin germany. I'm traveling the world. I'm on oprah winfrey on the tonight show. I'm like i guess this is a career. You know his career is to married couples as elvis so we. How many like weddings are we talking about day normally averages about twelve a day seven days a week twelve yes like slick short ones. Yeah they're like fifteen minutes fifteen minute weddings like in vows. Leave the building. Yes absolutely fifteen minutes vows and then stacey you're absolutely correct. Elvis then leaves the building you walk out of the chapel. You know it's easy to to joke about elvis and there's a little wedding chapel but this industry is mammoth is a two billion dollar industry. It employs thousands and thousands of people and people come from all over the world to get married in las vegas weddings kind of like casinos or sort of the lifeblood of the economy of nevada and win the pandemic. I hit many folks. Were just out of a job including paul and the nearly thirty people who work for him. Facilitating these dozen. Fifteen minute weddings every day. When covert hit. He said he paid his employees out until they could get on unemployment benefits and ask for himself. I mean he had some savings and frankly like he was also really happy about the break for me. It was actually relaxing. I didn't have to dye my hair. Same any watched like a bunch of movies and he hung out with his kids. Learn to take life slower but the vacation. it was short-lived vegas began easing restrictions. Last may and small weddings began trickling back into the graceland chapel. We gotta wear masks. Guests had to wear masks. The bridegroom even and i have the same with the mouse. Can people hated it. But i was like look people. We have to do what they recommend. And we'll get out of this. Still paul was able to make a living again and hire some people back then of course in october cope in nineteen hit home hit his chapel. My wife was here. She got to limo drivers of about five of us to photographers and it was horrible hall. Got it to. And he says he still has some lingering symptoms. I find myself short of breath. And i'm going okay but you know what i'm alive and if that's it whatever that's that's my worst thing. I can't all the known as long as i used to. I'll deal with it and he's gonna have to deal with it because nowadays weddings are back in a really big way in las vegas. Yes so we'd average of three hundred and forty couples got married every single day in the las vegas area in june that is twenty percent higher than before the pandemic there. Actually these long lines where people have to wait outside of the county's marriage license bureau because there's just so much pent up demand from all. These couples were like rushing to nevada to rush to the altar right. And it's like another sign that people are spending money in the service and hospitality industries. And of course you know what that means. Stacey right prices go up less supply more demands and across the country some venues are bumping up fees recoup losses. I mean hotel costs arising food all those wedding adjacent things. What about it greece. Lend chapel have prices stayed steady or are they going up so they had a long conversation about it but ultimately decided against it. They're known for you. know pretty. Pretty reasonable weddings. I don't want to call call them. Cheap wedding so you get a lot of bang for your buck. The reasonable weddings. They did however bump up wages by about a dollar fifty an hour and they changed. How commissions are handed out to get almost all of their employees back to work so they actually haven't had much trouble finding labor. But i should say like graceland isn't all the way back to normal yet. About half of their clientele is international. And obviously we're not seeing. That travel really opened up yet but they are marrying way more domestic couples than usual. You actually went to one of the weddings. Were able to sit in on one of the fifteen minutes nuptials. Yes i did and there is this week. Couple from nebraska. Getting married and brendan paul as elvis. He walks through the chapel doors. And he's just so tall and magnetic. He's wearing that black bedazzled suit. He's holding this big bible. And he does these. Elvis themed vows. That were really cute. I will never shut on your blue suede shoes or treat you like a hound dog now and after the visor over he cranks up. The chapel soundsystem grabs this microphone and he starts singing the nineteen seventy. Elvis presley hit a little conversation wife and like mary eldest wedding. Let's do it absolutely speaking of which need what about you and christine. Did you guys. Did you guys get married. did you put it off. We made our wedding very complicated. We got married last fall out. And utah's red rock desert with my family you know. It barely cost us anything. We hiked into the back country and this river. It was gorgeous like perfect memories but then we we totally forgot to get the marriage license signed by a judge to make it official so so it expired really. Yeah so we totally screwed that up. But you don't like now. We could do the big wedding. But i mean like that family. Camping trip was awesome and all it costs us with some gas and beer and some mac and cheese. This episode of the indicator was produced by julia. Richie with help from gilly moon. It was fact. Checked by michael hop the indicators edited by cake cod cannon and is a production of npr.

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Introducing Dear Young Rocker Season 3

27 Club

04:26 min | 7 months ago

Introducing Dear Young Rocker Season 3

"Pay listen up just a few weeks until an all new episode of twenty seven club featuring the insane life of janice joplin. This is going to be a wild ride so be sure to watch this feed for the first two episodes on april twenty second and today. I'm here to let you know about the new season of deer. Young rocker a raw music oriented coming of age story by my friend. Chelsea person in seasons one and two chelsea told her own story of finding an outlet for anxiety in her place in the world via falling in love with music so binge those seasons. Now if you have already and this new season and season three chelsea is passing the mike in introducing us to a dozen incredible artists who will share their stories search for deer young rocker in your podcast app and subscribe. You can hear the new season when it kicks off april seventh in the meantime. Here's a trailer for season. Three deer young rocker being a teenager is intense. Things could get tough back then. Maybe you got kicked out of your house for being yourself or fell in love so hard it hurt. Were bullied viciously for how you look gorgeous. Hated yourself but you might have found a release for your rage your favorite band blasting in your headphones or banging around on your first electric guitar and one night and a sweaty rec center basement could have changed your life forever. If you could go back in time and tell your teenage self anything what would it. Be dear. Young rocker dear young rocker. You're young rocker. Maybe something practical you have just as much talent as those boys in that talent show band you simply need to develop it or empathetic. You'll be more and more yourself with every passing season. When we retailer teenage stories we can reach a hand back in time for that kid we used to be to hold onto. We can become. The person may needed in those moments when we felt so alone and like no one could ever understand. Join me chelsea arson for season. Three of my podcast dear young rocker tune into hear some of my favourite musicians tell stories from their awkward musical beginnings. I had never met anybody who also enjoyed ska reconnect with the teenager. They used to be so young rocker. Try if you can to not worry so much. I know that a lot to ask. I know right. Now you worry about everything and remember what it was like to fall in love with band for the first time you will never forget the first time you heard. Prince the cranberries led zeppelin the cure new order bikini. Kill brat mobile heavens to betsy and seasons one and two of during locker. I told my story of how i started. Life as an anxious sensitive kid wanted to be invisible. That is until. I heard my favorite band and started playing the bass after that. Everything kinda changed. Although life still wasn't easy especially as the only girl in my band. I wrote some letters of advice to younger self about what i wish she'd known and my listeners. I learned a lot about ourselves along the way you can hear season one and two young rocker forever. You get your podcast but in season. Three i'm passing the mike to other rockers. Who grew up in different cities and countries with different families. Different musical tastes and different challenges in their lives. I know every time you go to a punk show. You search the room for another black person before you feel safe. I'm letting them tell their own stories of how they became young rockers and give their own younger selves some tough love and support a deer young rocker season. Three comes to you from double elvis and iheartradio and is executive produced by jake brennan of disgrace graceland episode one drops on wednesday april seventh. Be sure to subscribe to dear young rocker for every. Get your podcasts.

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Introducing Dead and Gone

27 Club

02:42 min | 1 year ago

Introducing Dead and Gone

"Pig is Jake Brennan from disgrace land here very excited to have you listen to my new podcast dead and gone with pain Lindsey, which is available. Now, pain as you probably know is the host of the hit shows up and vanished in Atlanta monster dead and gone combines pains, investigative podcasts skills with my storytelling style. It looks into the mysterious deaths and disappearances of grateful dead fans episodes wanted to are available now wherever you get your podcast, just search dead and gone future episodes of the released on. Thursdays. That's dead and gone wherever you get your podcasts. Here's a trailer for the show for you to check out. The grateful dead existed as a band for thirty years a career that stretched and succeeded over four decades abandoned continued the Selah stadiums until its final days abandoned touched multiple generations of fans inspired musical giants like Bob Dylan in Ornette Coleman and whose music today can just as easily be heard in a college dorm room as it can within an office of a US senator. But behind that imports and at the core of the grateful dead a darkness, a route evil played mostly in the shadows but managed to rear its monstrous head time and time again throughout the band's history to claim lives from within the band itself most however from the regents of fans a darkness spawned from the unique counterculture soil tilled by one of the most diverse bands our society has ever seen. In. A darkness respond along strange list of disappearances. In Nineteen, seventy-three Mitchell Weiser in Bonita liquid. In nineteen ninety. Douglas Simmons. In nineteen, ninety-three Jennifer Wilmer. Nineteen ninety-six bridge pendle. In two thousand and four. Jeremy. Ted Alex. The one thing they all had in common. The band the grateful dead. My name is pain Lindsey for the past two years. I've had my fair share of personal experience diving into unsolved cases. In. One thing I've learned for sure is the power true crime podcast can wield when trying to find the truth. Dead and gone is an investigative podcast looking into the unsolved cases of missing murder. Grateful. Dead fans in the dark. Music, scene they vanished from. Hosted by Jake Brennan Creator and host of Graceland myself paying. Lindsey. Dead and gone premiers. Thursday October, fifteenth on Apple podcasts wherever you get your podcasts.

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Bonus Episode - Talking Paranormally 2 with Scott Larson and Jack Chavez

Ghostly

1:42:38 hr | 1 year ago

Bonus Episode - Talking Paranormally 2 with Scott Larson and Jack Chavez

"Welcome everyone to talking para normally I'm your host and one half of ghostly podcast Pat Harrington Today on talking para. Normally we will be talking about the scariest places on earth which are cemeteries. And I don't need to hear myself. That's great so let's get to know are awesome panelists a little bit. With me as always is the yen to my Yang Rebecca rivers. Rebecca is also a host and resident believer of ghostly podcast. She has been interested in the paranormal and all things spooky since childhood. Rebecca is also the host of the walking dead podcast on the DMP network, and can be heard on multiple memorium development podcast, including freak of the week and Mr Wiggly's moist unhappy. Friendship Garden and I believe one time on Bob after dark. Rebecca received her masters degree in English literature from Depaul University and love sharing creepy bedtime stories on goes sleaze YouTube channel. So Hey Rebecca. Excited to be here. Next up is the man who puts the Bob in Bob after dark Mr Bob. Anderson. Bob Is the host of the paranormal podcast Bob after dark. He has been paranormal enthusiasts since he was a wee little ad. Bob. Has Dabbled in many aspects of the spooky world from both research and investigations. Bob Is sort of a Swiss army knife in the colty world, knowing a bit about not only ghostly haunting, but crypto zoology and deem analogy. Bob also helps people with any sort of paranormal phenomena that they may be experiencing, and sometimes he actually does some it work as well. A. Panama all law on Lok ropy you said Rebecca's the near Yang. You didn't call me to like the peanut butter jelly ear the. The butter on your toast man. Oh, you're somethin'. Not Allowed to diss my awesome panelist here then we are going to go with Jack Chavez. We met Jack I at the southside podcast, and he's been very important member of our society and a guest on our Lincoln Park episode. Jack Chev was born and raised in Chicago. He received his bachelor's degree in anthropology anthro. Excuse me anthropology and a minor in history. He has collaborated with mutual UFO Networks Illinois State Director Sam Maranto. Chicago's northside prominent medium Christine's Ennio he has also consulted for discovery channels expedition ex as well as the CW show mysteries decoded. He has investigated several haunted locations in the Midwest. He's co-piloted. Several ghost tours interviewed several witnesses to apparation. SASQUATCH, Mothman. Angels fairies Alien Beings. Time slips and more I don't know if there could be more on his interest, are at the allergy, physics, literature and Earth Science. Here's a fun fact Jack. He gives a polite nod to the neighborhood cats because he feels like they judge him as he walks by. Hey Jack thanks for being on the show unfortunately I think we've had some tech issues and I'm not sure if we can hear. Joey, there is weight. Well Hey there is. Welcome to talking pair normally. And finally we have Scott Larson. We first met Scott at C. Two when he leading amazing panel that discuss some Chicago, gangsters and haunting 's. He's also highlight for me at every seat to eat, too. That I've gone to Scott Larson is a native chicagoan and as a graduate of University of Chicago as well as the American Academy of Art Chicago. He's a historian, religious education teacher, and an artist best known for his work in advertising and the Comic Book Industry He is currently the Creator and artist of the graphic novel series visitations visitations is the history of Chicago as seen through the eyes of the residents of the city's oldest cemetery. Hey Scott welcome to talking para normally. Thanks, thanks for having me. so I thought that in-between hand I am going to say a quick little fact about cemeteries, and then we could just launch into our stories here. the way that the show works. Each panelist will tell us about a cemetery that they've chosen to talk about. Then we will open that story up to the rest of the panel and Then we will eventually ask Youtube and our zoom attendees. which we have a few for questions or anything that people would have to say comments, questions concerns maybe even. I I have often thought that a graveyard in a cemetery are just interchangeable terms, but I was wrong. Today cemetery refers to a large burial ground, typically not associated with the church, the first citation in the Oxford English. Dictionary, Rebecca. I know that's one of your favorites. Love the only D.. Yeah. for graveyard comes from nineteen sixty seven. And, a graveyard is typically smaller than a cemetery and is often associated with the church, so it's part of a churchyard. Who knew that? Well. I did just because Scott of course Scott Scott Guy knew that God knows everything I think. So okay, so we're going to stop. We're going to start with Scott. Scott. You're going to be talking about Rosehill cemetery. I can't wait to hear what you have to say. We heard a little bit about it and see to two I'm really excited about this. Yeah well, you know. I grew when I grew up in Chicago I grew up in the Bowmanville neighborhood and Rosehill cemetery was basically my was in my front yard I could almost see it in the front yard and It was one of those places where I been a couple times, but one of the things that I noticed about it was it seemed as if any teams that happened kind of happened around the cemetery as low as incitement. And just to give a little bit of history about Rosedale. Cemetery was founded eighteen, fifty nine. It is the largest cemetery in Chicago. It encompasses four four different neighborhoods. Ascherson Bill Lincoln Square. neighborhoods and billing square and edgewater and it had been an area that was known as Roses Hill and The the area was owned by a farmer Hiram rose. And it was the largest, or it was the highest altitude in Chicago land area. It wasn't quite Chicago when when the city purchased the as cemetery and they purchased purchase. Because it was so far away from the city limits, and that's where they were putting like the diseased bodies of of typhoid and cholera dex. And, as you know, were Nolan epidemic now with this stuff was a little bit heavier than what we're dealing with, so they wanted bodies as far away Chicago's. So it was really it was designed to be a landscape memorial park state of the art, and it became a popular spot for Picnics and parties in the late nineteenth century, no so popular that people walking into the cemetery had to show Iggy in order to show that they had relatives buried there and just says it has a point of fact they're. They're kind of doing that now as well. As the covid up, damage started. You're supposed to have A. You're supposed to have you're. You're supposed to call ahead in order to go and visit on what? They're doing funerals, but they've. They've attempted to block off all the secret entrances in and out. and I'm going to swerve away from the history real quickly the other day I was out walking and I don't move that far away from Mosul now. And I was walking an, and there's three different. There's three. Public entrances and then there's a couple of Loyd. Known secret entrances to the place and as I was as I was walking down Ravens would avenue, which is where the main differences I thought well, maybe I'll just cross new cemetery of visit. My great grandfather, whose buried there and then I will just go on with my with my wife and I walked in, and I had the groundskeeper. Come up and tell me it's closed at five. Forty five. And I said all wrong. I'll be out by then I said. What time does the gate over on Western clothes? And he says it's closed all the time. And so I want about twenty members. Lady called Rover car and she said we're. We're closing and I said well. The other guy said five clock that no four o'clock, and she called, and they basically kicked me out. Wow, because she didn't want me. Get stuck in the cemetery, and I'm looking at her and I'm thinking lady. I grew up here. Be Stuck in the cemetery i. know like three different ways. But. It's really quickly before. I start going on and stuff so Two of the ways in our and I'm going to tell this because they're they block the Moss but right overrun I've bowling bill. Gates that were rusted open. And snow once Kobe hit. Rosehill decided that they were going to close everything off, but instead of closing the gates they put like the police. Cape around edged, which just ruined Hanson to it, and I actually thought about going there at night. Putting acted like Zombie Tapeh. They. Always. Them, I don't know if they're walked. My assumption as there is or is all through. There and I always tell this story when I'm telling haunted stories that I'm. Right now. With rosehill there, there's a fence Louis really high, and they chant regains part of summit cemetery to the city, so they took some cemetery grounds, and they did that removes the big gate and they put a small gate. So smaller gate probably goes up to like maybe my stock. And and there's this gap between his leg gigantic. Yeah, when running by today there was a piece of wood covering that gap in between what you could just hop on anyway. How all? So they're trying to make sure that nobody goes. It's funny. They're always aware of the ways in and out Roselle is really weird. I find that. I can be very skeptical when it comes to haunted stuff. And it's and thirty. A haunted comic work, which isn't real ghost, just in case. The I did want to check them off a come after them, but good idea. About rose hip eighties I've cut through their numerous times especially over the course of the past few years, and it's very creepy. Feeling I got lost in there once, and it is the largest summit here in Chicago might. Part of it, but I want Boston there i. don't because being watched at one point. I was walking through through where the graves were, and my feet started sinking into the ground. So, it's it's. It's a little bit of an unsettling likes. It doesn't feel good, and it's cemetery is graceland cemetery over in the Lakeview neighborhood of Chicago and that one feels a little bit. Where we're. But, there's something there's there's something Warsaw. About Roselle there, there's something not right about. And it's like I said I tend to be skeptical, but feelings of the place are very very odd, so there are a couple couple of haunted stories. One is Richard Warren sears powder of the now defunct sears department store He's married there and he's maxine like what he's seen all over the place I understand. You guys had Ursula Belski on of a couple weeks ago. Yeah he I don't know. She mentioned the story, but when she got married she. Should they went to the cemetery to like? Take their wedding, pictures and Warren sears ended up in the. Pictures WHOA and he's been seeing going. AUSE, Liam. And there are a number of paranormal experts in Chicago and. There's Lady who went. And the Muslim. And she said that there were the they could hear voices and could hear voices saying get out and I hate when things like that. so it's very very very odd place. The other thing is the. Child was killed during the Leopold Mope. Case in the nineteen twice two guys now. I. I have heard the story I have not. Leopold low. were these two. Pouch, I think they're a University of Chicago and they decided that it'd be a great experimental like till somebody. And, so they found this kid on the street and and murdering. And I'll. In Roseau, actually if you've seen the movie rope with Jimmy Stewart yes. I love that movie. So good, it's really well. Wasn't do anything in there was action it was. It's like a single shot. Essentially mean amazing. You've been seeing in the cemetery apparently his. His spirit disappeared there for the two boys killed him for the to college students. I think one of them died prison, and then the other one was actually flat out I. Guide the Seventy, seventy, three or something like that. This little boy was seen in the cemetery up until point where the other killer had guide. Your nobody's sets. maybe because they got justice and. Maybe. Wow. That's awesome. How? We did have a youtube question from Robert Irving. It's you're feeling more of a dark energy, feeling, Rosehill or just a feeling of being watched. the way I would describe that Robert is I would describe it as an unsettling feeling I think that When it comes to laying on energies and emotions and things like that, sometimes, you can't really them into words, and that's W-. That's the way I would describe that you know walking through there. There's something that just goes off. but that's not yeah. I can't really put it into words if that makes sense Absolutely. We just don't have words for it. Yeah So does any other panelists have questions I Scott I, do actually I. Am going to be honest. I've never actually been to that sanitary before size. Listening to what you were saying and one of my favorite things to do about cemeteries is find out who's buried there. And I know you're saying the sears family is there, but there is a there is a famous couple of names there one of which being gum Oscar Mayer. And Wal Yeah and I was curious. If you know of any other stories about some of the celebrity people that are hanging out there, and then I was also going to ask you about the the Lulu fellows. In case statue there and if you knew anything about that, because I'm only seeing like a blurb about it seems really. Just looking at it, yeah, I gone so as far as other As, far as other famous people hunting misplace you know, ask him buyers buried their George. Swift is buried there. Levi Boone is buried their. You know these were all like famous names. Chicago and there's There's survivor botanic design. WHO's buried there? But. It is survived too long after that then well. It was over. Wow But as far as famous famous ghost like like Richard Sears. He had a arrival and I and I'm on link on was and I'm not. GonNa say like Montgomery, Ward because that would be like. Telling a tale there probably isn't the truth, but. Marshall Field Goals Right while Marshall Field is over in. The next graceland go. Yeah, yeah, it makes sense but I the sense I got was that. Richard Warren sears and his rival were both seeing walking around there and they naked here. How? Now. I I'm guessing that that's you know. It's Kinda like the story. You were telling you earlier where I was like. Well. That rings a bell. That's kind of ringing a bell with me. with Luke does I've seen her? I mean I. I've been by that statue and It's really interesting. because. There's a little girl statue race onto. Yes, that's the. Thing with with loop fellows. Is You go you go in and you see her and she's. I mentioned that I got lost in the cemetery once when I got lost, I ended up in front of her. In front of her her statue, and what it is, people smell roses around her stacks. Okay and that's dying that they're being visited by. Somebody the thing that I find a little unsettling about it is especially. Paris Seine with the little girl who's in Graceland. Cemetery is the GRACELAND CEMETERY ONE? She's actually been seeing running around the cemetery. Is What right there up the open ended S. Up with rule fellows. Tracks and they're trees. She's kind of like this weird area. and there's early holes in the side of the casing because you. Have cases around him to prevent them. From leaving no. And the elements strike statutes so I, said that all rock. The casings are there to prevent the The film s from threatened statutes. However, there's conversation that happens within these casing, and so the Lou fellows lunch. Has This the circumcise and it's got like rule vents on. It and people didn't like shoving money in there. Oh. Yeah, looking at the photo now and they're a ton. There's a ton of money in there. Wow, it's got I have a question. So, so you a comic book artist and And and you said that sometimes you a little bit more on those on the skeptical side of of you know in terms of ghosts and the paranormal. Fellow fellow comic book artist Grant Morrison talk about singles. He did a lot for back and he talked about like signals than trading signals. When you create signals you, you know you manifest archetypes. Do you think that when you create these Gothic novels which I had read your Gothic novels or or you know I've I have one actually. It's really good You. When you create these these illustrations. Do you think that you're tapping into an? archetype into the archetypal royal metairie. It's. You Know I. I don't necessarily. Think that I that. I think that in some ways because I'm not a writer, although I'm kind of forced leisure her. I do think there. There are certain types that that are being followed subconsciously, and I'm not putting as much into the characters as I should be as far as grab, more citizens -cerned and and signals I think that I I think it's real. Those things are really really really interesting, and there are some money at all on the line. Who would you know you're right? What basically what is is In order to create one. You you write out what you want. Say I want a million dollars, and then what you do is you take way different parts of that, and you put it within the image, and the the words and the letter to be twisted. So you can't really tell what they are, but your subconscious puts it all together. That's the way that's supposed to work. And You know it's. One of those new age things works like our thoughts create our realities, so your subconscious season and Kinda works on that and flies away to manifest that ensued real life I kind of a and you're supposed to do it with some kind of emotion. or or some? Were you want your manifestation? You're supposed to do with some kind of emotion and some kind of You know you give giving yourself to a to a certain degree. I considered at one point. I do it like putting widow little ones within the book. alleging the little too weird to me so I didn't do it but it's I. It's a really interesting concept. More than it was very very odd I've read his book. He's a very very odd human being. But Interesting do you WanNa? Do you WANNA share? Some of the some of the watchers may not know about your character's. Like just a little bit from visitations Kinda, like the concept of those. Little bit off. How I started the book and What happened. Was I mentioned Graceland? Cemetery couple times I had found out a number of years ago. That the Larsen family that came from Sweden in the late eighteen hundreds. Were the the The ancestors are buried in Grayson senator. With short part of the story, and because if I tell you the line, we'll be here for days. The short story is I went through the cemetery and first thing I saw was statue call turtle silence, and it's the the statue looks like the Specter from DC counter. Okay. Yeah, really really cool. It's really interesting and as I walked cemetery I saw. All kinds of very strange monuments the little girl in the case that I'd mentioned before she was one of them and Had Daniel Burnham's gray powder haulers rate is all very strange and I went to bed one night. I woke up. The next morning and the platform, the first issue in my head, and so the characters are all based on Different monuments and cemeteries around the world. And, so there's there's a couple of seven in France. There is a monument of someone busting with them, and so I ended up putting that in the book and there there's one of like some kind of winged creature, and so I, made it into a horse. There's one of somebody holding face up, and so I made back to a character as well and actually. Small. He just happened to have one I have my reference guide writer. So. This is one of the characters and now. The the the he's based on wasn't quite as dramatic as added is. Wearing and reckless sectors dislike handle this. Is the really cool. I love the red in the background to. That's not often a choice for you know people bad artists that that do comic books I. What Oh man? So, cool. When when I get beween creature, this was. So the girl who's a wing tourists for? Anyone can't see it real well. The girl is actually based on a model friend of mine who who modeled add a place in esteem. Hug outs that and so I kinda borrowed outfit for the for the book, so she's been really excited because I made a dow out of it and go down now. So awesome. And then. That character, which is basically skull. Bad is some saints had that's museum? Or something and there is this article I found, which was like the thirteenth creepy s monuments in the world and That's where a lot is. These characters came from as well as my trip to Greece on cemetery and and the the head is like they'd be. It's supposed to be cursed and like goes from place to place. This one sense that angels actually a mind you. That's in Graceland Cemetery That character that that lead thing there is somebody who had been killed would die and I. Killed by the beast, six, six six and I was like Oh. What would that look like so? That was creation of that There is a little boy playing pike. and. That's actually a statue in Graceland cemetery as well as it is. Yeah so I can see why like Jack, your question like you're almost saying like you create these images based on kind of almost some real. Grave. Real material. Yeah like if you, if that kind of brings stuff to life, you know that we chaos magic. It could be just the idea of yeah. K.. Manifesting what you what your thoughts are. or with the characters are based on real entities. The Read Emotional. When Jack when you mentioned archetypes, the first thing I think is is Joseph Campbell and Hero's journey and and there's different kinds of zero of our tights and archetypes, Sam and things of that nature and I'm sure at once. The series is rolling. You'll be able to go back and see that, but not intentionally doing their. Own writing himself in some ways. Trusting it's really cool. That is very cool, well, thanks! I think we should move onto well actually I have a cemetery fact before we get to Jack, here an East West orientation for gravestones is the most common throughout the world. I don't know if you guys knew that after I learned that I started to realize that they are definitely facing east west, and it's because early American settlers wanted their feet, pointing east in their heads towards the West so that they were ready to rise up and face the son of a new day when they hoped to be reborn. When the Rural Cemetery Movement became popular in the eighteen thirties, graveyards were constructed with winding roads, terrain and stones facing different directions. So Jack it's your turn. Yeah. Just random facts I have about cemeteries. So Jack you're gonNA, tell us about one of my favorite places and I believe it is the most haunted place in the world. Bachelor! Bachelor's Grove. Allegedly topic. Okay are you joining Hashtag team skeptic with me here? No just you know every everybody says that they're you know they're nearby. Location is the most haunted, but I yes especially it is. Probably one of the most haunted. Not Be melted. It's it's up there. It's up there Wow, okay, so So bench was role It was area was first settled in eighteen, twenty by Irish English and Scottish settlers coming from the northeastern united, states and reached its peak in population in eighteen thirty. And, by eighteen, forty was predominantly German a German population there. So. The area or I said Yeah, the vicinity right there is is home to a bunch of different phenomena you. Have you have special cards? You have a phantom houses. you have all balls of lights ghost dogs. you have a Manganiello in yellow. and. So one of the most popular one though ones, though is the woman in White. She goes by a different news lady in White Madonna and white and one of the most famous ghost photograph actually comes from actually girls cemetery and it was taken by. Dale has mirror. WHO's a He's a very well-known Chicago ghost researcher and he runs the Ghost Research Society in Chicago. And so this photo was taken in nineteen, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety one. And what it shows is a woman. It's a black and white photos on his show. The woman sitting on a tombstone. And and it's very clear. It's not like one of those like you know. Very pixellated goes. Photograph is actually a very clear photograph of a woman's being on the I wanted to tombstones. This photograph has been. Examined by various. Experts in photography and has yet to be debunked. there is one researcher who I actually spoke to, and he's also a his research specializes in battler grove cemetery, and he's a little bit more skeptical of the and I ask why and You know he's states that he did see. He may have seen I should say he may have seen some edits to to the photograph. However however, others have said that. there hasn't been any it's. so they really use the base on whether this is an authentic photograph or nights and you know I'm not you know trying to you know? Put Down Anybody's reputation like it could have been. You know not did, but just you know angles in shadows. But but it is a pretty clear photograph and actually that your gut instinct that it is Camera Angles, or is your gut telling you it's real. It's hard to say because when you have. You know decades worth of fightings of a woman in whites. I'm not sure I you know it's really interesting, because I tend to lean towards more the accounts than I do the photograph. because there's been so many accounts audited them actually by police officers. Now. Another another famous SPECTER IS A. Special a special car usually it's a black sedan. So a Lotta, people have there's a a well-known story about and an older couple. They're driving along the road. Right by the cemetery and a car comes out of nowhere and crashes into the couples. And be feel the impact. But they're okay. They're able to get out of the car. And when they leave the car. There is no other vehicle. And they saw over your sped off. The vehicle sped off speed off. I should say and when they. Try to examine the damage of on their car. There is no damage. So there have been several other incidents in which you know, somebody will pass a vehicle and they're. They'll pass a vehicle and then when you look at the review, Muir, the vehicles gone. Over there a view. Kodak Kinda goes into the cemetery. And then they see it's stopped. As, they get closer. There is no vehicle there. Now. A researcher who really you know. Popularized or put a spotlight on the ghosts of Bachelors Grove. He collected. A lot of accounts is Richard Crowe. one of Chicago's first. Goes researchers, in most famous. Definitely won't say yeah. Exactly so he actually has an accounts a personal accounts. He went to kind of look around Bachelors Grove with an author friend of his Jim Brandon and it's really interesting. 'cause looking up Jim Brandon He wrote a book called America, and he wrote a book called the rebirth of Pan. And that book combines conspiracy theories paranormal, so I was looking into some of his work. I highly recommend it, he. He's kind of an odd character. Himself Jim. Brandon so Richard Crowe Jim Brandon were were driving and they were. You know Richard Cole was the driver, and they were having a conversation in the car right by Bachelors Bill they they leave Bachelors Grove get in the car and started driving away. And then. Richard Crowe sees a car of the head. And then. He sees it. Disappear Kinda he guys that. How literally vanishing before him? And, Jim Brand was looking at Richard, crawl because they were you in conversation, so happen Jim Brandon, and see it, and he tells Richard Kroto Brandon. Did you see and you know I? Did and Richard told disguise how? How this? Citing kind of Kind of bothered him for a long time. a year goes by actually. and. Richard Crowe talks about how it's been a while since he passed by. the cemetery and you wanted to pass by the cemetery again, so he drives by, and once again he sees a car and when he gets closer, the car disappears. So it that's that's an that I. kind of you know look at seriously because you know. Richard Crowe was respected into field I've met Richard pro- He was really nice to Break Guy So you know I I like to believe that what he saw was was what he actually saw You know I'm not I'm not. I don't know I don't know what to make these stories to be honest What do you think about What do you think about the capone? Tie into it because I know that Carl and Wendy from the path to bachelors, Grove say that there is no tie in at all, but it's been. Synonymous with the story. Yeah. Yes, so for decades. that. That the pond within Bachelors. Growth Cemetery There's a pond that's actually attached through the summer. Every just literally feet away from the gravestones They say that this was a dumping ground. Four bodies for victims of the mobster's are. They would drive all the way south to Bachelors Grove and they would dump the bodies there because it's such like. Tuk Tuk away place that bodies would be hard to find on. There is actually like you said. There's actually no evidence of this. The Tinley Park Historical Society they have found accounts David. Almost a year apart nineteen, twenty, seven and nineteen, twenty, eight to three people being killed within miles of Bachelors Grove. However, it wasn't inside the cemetery, and the bodies were not found in the quarry pond. one of them was. a totally twenty first nineteen, twenty seven. A woman from Chicago Heights was shot sixty nine times when she opened the door of her home About fifteen minutes later, the body of a man was found in a ditch I two hundred sixty seventh street and Central Avenue Again you know tried you these, but these weren't tragedies that took place. within Bachelors Grove Cemetery. They were a couple of miles away. So you know that really wouldn't. That really wouldn't Tie into to material itself. there was only one thing. That had any substance to it, and I've seen it, too. There is someone that found a revolver in the. It's like a lagoon area. While walking down the lagoon, they looked down and it's A. It's an old revolver. That's the only Tien. Yeah, that was found in twenty thirteen and when they found, it was like you could barely recognize it as he was clearly gone, but like it's barely record recognized as a gun, so it's so degraded yeah, the photographer bill is the one that took that photo So you know what that means. Who knows but. There was no bodies. That have been found within the pond. There was a diver. As well and he went, he went into the pond and. And people will be so there's a website called the path to bachelors. Grove and these people are probably the bachelor's Grove Restoration Project and they actually witnessed the man go into the pond. And, it said that. Because for a long time, we didn't know how beat the pond was. And it actually the water, the NOCCO both his me. So we know that it wasn't a pond, so if the mobsters were going to dump bodies there, you would think that they would dump out. He's in deeper pond. APP So yeah. Yeah right But we know and. And yet people still seem all sorts of phenomena the woman in White S- also the The disappearing farmhouse. What's really interesting about the house? Is that so the story is that people will go in there, and they'll see a farmhouse, and I think it closer this fun house. It moves further and further away, and they're never able to actually reach the patio. they describe it as like like a white farmhouse with stairs leading up to it, there's even a path that leads to it And but they're never able to actually get there. reports for this are coming even to this day. people of the Bachelor's Grove Restoration Project they were there at the cemetery. And there was these women that were there, and they were talking about the farmhouse like wondering who lives there, or is it dependent and people? The go rest restoration projects that there's nobody that lives there. There's no farmhouse. And then the people were just released like ongoing we we saw the fun fun house series one and do like no. You don't understand that the house has been you know people have been seeing that for decades, and there is no house bear, and you know the people like what would really surprised and. what's interesting is that for decades? People didn't know that they're worth. Settler homes in that area. Right! They didn't move it. Was You know Like Richard Crowe and other researchers couldn't find. document documentation that there were homes right there. And it wasn't until relatively recent actually where we found that there were sure enough. There were homes there. So it! Kinda goes back to the question of. You know, how is it that inanimate objects are being seeing in Specter form? You know there's this theory called The stone tape theory. And basically it goes like this. It's it's. You know whether it be to do their construction or geological makeup or some other factor, areas have a ability to store energy or psychic impression from from the past recording, recording them in a sense as images on film. so the idea is that under certain conditions these events can imprint themselves on the landscape. so you know you gotta wonder you know. How can that be? You know what there's this mathematician. Charles Baggage eighteen thirty eight. And! He talks about how transference of energy between particles open words could leave permanent impressions errands itself. So maybe you know if air and words to do that. perhaps objects can do that as well again if the conditions writes Maybe there's some sort of you know natural depository in the area that allows for energy to be collected to absorb and to leave imprint. One of the other things that's that's often cited in the cemetery is a all lights. Blue Balls of light's red balls like different colors, and they're usually seen following people bouncing around the cemetery's. Kinda People disguised dancing. so. The ideal of all of lights I don't think it's. We're we're entering a time in scientific theory where we're. Both of light isn't necessarily paranormal anymore. It has been recreated in labs, and but there's different theories on what balls of our There isn't any one theory Some of them have the electric electrical e, sorry, charged solid core models microwave cavity hypothesis. Solid hypothesis, and if you look at these different theories, you a lot of it has to do with microwave, radiation or electromagnetism. And the idea is that. You know there is a There is a there was a research scientist. His name was Tim Young curly and you create a curly in photography and nineteen sixty. Basically what that is is. When passing voltage, low amperage current through an object while it's placed on A. On a photograph plate you could capture it's it's energy? So let's say you cut the leaf and half. And you place on this photographic plate and you and you run a current through it. It'll still capture the leave as if the full leaf is there as if it wasn't caught. And what did doing it's? It's capturing electro magnetic field. Of that leaves. You know so a lot of. Based on in science, and that's what I do. When I do a lot of paranormal research or investigation I try to find that. That could be back into. You know conventional science, and then go from there. You kinda scratch and could you could. Could we connect conventional science to wider phenomenon? Now people talk about like I, said these balls of light. You know dancing on on tombstones following them well. Maybe that's just their perception of what's actually happening. The balls of light you. Probably have a consciousness of its own. It's just you know moving around back and forth and looks like dancing, but I think from from all of these reports. You know that that one could be. You know we could use that as the hook to get into the other panel for now. In the area. So if there's that many a council balls of light. In that area there's something to that environments that's able to produce these these electromagnetic all's. And if that is the case, if the invited me can do that, for have to really could absorb energy and. And even imprint of I'll houses or you sedan or even go cards. Yeah. We have a question. excuse sooner. To question. Go ahead Scott. person do it I. Okay, so we have Jesse delman. sorry if I'm saying that wrong. says what I'm curious about is do spirits, manifest coles, or doesn't vehicle become a cursed object when involved in a traumatic event, thus the soul of vehicle is tied to the spirit. Yeah so so maybe you won't this. car. Maybe it wasn't even necessarily involved and and some terrible accident. You know it could have just you know. Left an impression on the environment, and that's why people. You know some seeing it There is something to be said about violence and and ghostly phenomena. You know if somebody just ripped away from their life, you know. That energy may may retain because it's kind of like If you're in a cave right and there's an echo in the cave, and you say something softly. You know you're going to hear something soft back, but not really to audible, but if you scream that screen, we really project. You know so that that harshness leaves an imprint. Outer? That's a really good analogy for that. That's. Interesting, Scott, what was your first oh? Oh! Jackie you've been bachelor girl. I have yes, actually a couple of times in the most recent was recently. So Yeah Yeah. What did you see anything there? That made an impression on you. I mean gain weight, and what other people said while you were you personally were there? Did you see anything or anything that they've impression on you? I do not know Kinda took in the beauty of the landscape. I did a lot of exploring I. So it's history in terms of something goes through your paranormal. I did not. I actually had a ghostly experience. There and I'm the skeptic so. We were there. It was like fifty sixty degrees. It was like a really warm day. Whatever's winter? It was November but I it was. It was actually really warm, and that's why we picked that day and we were talking with. Caroline Wendy that's probably who you were talking with. Jack out there by Bachelors Growth. We were talking with them. And as we were leaving, I stopped by the gate to leave and I look down on the ground, and there was this puddle that I saw ice over right in front of my face, and it suddenly became like so cold. You couldn't even tolerate the area. And then we walked like fifteen feet, and it was already back to normal temperature. Definitely micro-climate. You, know we. We went twice. They think eight different times I do I have a picture of a Red Ball but I think it was just like an ornament or a balloon. That was captured of there but we. It was definitely it it. It has a very strange energy like that I will absolutely give it, so it was very peaceful to me. Yeah Scott. Have you been there? No, and I've never going. Yeah. I understand order that place I. You know again. I tend to be skeptical, but I know too much about it Actually there there's a book that came out last year, which was onto backwards throw, and my sister-in-law's were over here at the House and and I was talking to them about it. They're like little. Let's go over there. And then and I pulled the book out. Start flipping through it and the younger wind. Just forget it. How they need. Is Union fouling the home? My life is bad enough as it is Well I was there as a kid, too. Where they? They had not trimmed up the landscaping over there, so it was like first of all you had to know where it was 'cause. You couldn't see the entrance way. From the road. You still can't, but you couldn't see the path. At all from the road, so you had to, you had to have an idea of where it was in order to get in, and then you pretty much are. We're GONNA get torn up by a bunch of Branches and there's fallen trees all over the place. It was not someplace. You would expect to see. metairie I'll say I. Think people don't realize it's the cemetery. Part of it is actually very small like what I was expecting it to be. It was like Oh, it's kind of. was like somebody Rosehill? There's no rowsell. You know as much slower than you think really a lot of it. She was the the surrounding area and I will say if you if you are GONNA go. They're not open at night. you have to go during the day and I actually do recommend going more in the fall later fall or early spring. Because if you want to go walking in any of the other area, it would be it. It's difficult enough to do. When there's no leaves on the trees, it would be possible to do I think any other time of year. and. Don't be surprised if you see Carlin Wendy out there barbecuing again. That's how we had barbecue and they love that place. Baba Ben. I'm sure I care actually. Funny enough. My mother was there back in the seventies. My mom was a paranormal investigator. Before I guess the name was even they're cool. I sound like bags I mean there are people for that, but she was there and I remember her telling me about the farmhouse, and she had a photo and there was a polaroid. You know you gotTa Shake Bullard ripe and she said she had the polaroid of farmhouse that she swore on I. Don't know how sure was so. Long Lost She'd actually see the farmhouse in a different position in this polaroid. But I can't. I can't confirm that that's just the story, but she me. When she was there, she felt like. She felt like as if something was like really latching onto a write in some was really like Kinda bombing, her out, and really Kinda just making her feel emotional side. You know when I was a wee lad growing up in now saw little girl Scout. If you will, and I was ready to go, start doing my own investigations, those one of the. The first places I went, and I will be completely honest with you. The first time I went out literally lost in the woods and I didn't find the cemetery for a long time. I paid a guy in the woods as me and a couple of people, there is a dude woods. Walker is a guys going with cemetery yelm and he gave them. and. You'RE SUPPOSED TO GET A. Cemetery, aw, I think I'm lost to like hey out here. I'M GONNA. Go Scout ahead needs. A golfing lost my ten bucks I. As your mom ever been on your show no, I don't i. don't let that happen. Okay, you don't want to cross those paths. No, my mom is a My Mom's no g when it comes to the paranormal stuff though. I WanNa, Sam, second-generation, but a major, you know like studier major player now. Yeah, they have their. World she was very smart. She knows her stuff Jews doing investigations and she likes to tell me about some of the equipment. They were using 'cause like they said like. Salt Mike dowse watts. Things like that and it's Kinda funny like here. She'll watch the shows and stuff now. Like law, we never had anything like that. You know we'd have to rig a our radio system together to play white noise constantly when we wanted to get a ghost ghost Loxton so why? It's actually great that we were talking with you because you're up next O. M. I.. Hashtag fact about cemeteries, yes, so before I move on to the. If you if you see the word, wow on a gravestone, you have found the burial place of a former member of the Woodman of the world, an American, fraternal insurance company that was said. To have given widows one hundred dollars in a free gravestone, if the company logo was put on the stone, the while emblem is a sod off tree tree-stump, often with a mallet, an axe and a wedge. You. Ever see that Bob. Eight obviously don't think I've ever paid attention, but. I will do you off. Chance know. How many are out there? I, don't know if you. Know these are just fun facts i. Could Act. Paranormal sample container. Effect I'm interested in. So Bob as usual us. You always seem to come up with cool places that I've never heard of this one. Actually I was on your episode where we talked about this and I just realized that right now. later cemetery in Massachusetts. Yes, also known as the quaker cemetery. Yes, so. I knew Jack and Scott were coming on the show for this, and because I wanted to do graceland I wanted them that be able to showcase Chicago stuff and I didn't want to rain on. Their parade sounds like okay. Let me do something a little different. It just so happens that I did an episode. About now month, or so ago about the portal to hell and one of which happened to be in this horrifying cemetery in the middle of the woods in Lancaster. Massachusetts now this place was built back in the white seventeen hundreds, and what is is it was a quaker cemetery and quakers are religious folk who do burping and. You know oatmeal. They oatmeal saw. Thanks PAT now. This cemetery is shrouded not only a mystery, but controversy because we're the cemetery. Borderline is is literally white on the marker of the Whistler Airport and if you step one foot over that line, the you know, the feds are right. They're expecting you to be some sort of white person sticking on airfields, so if you were to go to the cemetery now disag-. You not only have to ask the quakers to go because you're not i. mean you can go, but you're really supposed to. To ask the quakers for permission, because if you park your car anywhere near there, because they still like the ancestors down the line, still live there. If you don't have the quakers permission, they're going to probably call the cops on you for trust messing on private property, and then you should probably also let the FAA know that you're going out there. And if they see somebody trudging along in the woods, and if you overstepped your bounds, you're not. They're trying to sneak onto an air, you know. Does stick onto a airstream. That's what I was thinking of. So what's really cool about this place and what I found? Really Fascinating is what you're greeted at at the door. There are these big beautiful red white white iron. Gates are done in a circular pattern with a spiderweb coming off of them as determine the spider gates cemetery, and I'll get to why those are there, but the first time I saw them before I found out the story behind them. They almost look like schedules, and what I mean by schedule at something you know you about the Colton. Witchcraft had sods, it said thing power right. It's a couple different shapes put together, and you empower it and I know what Harry Potter. When after right? Yes? I think we established that Scott doesn't make you. Know so these? So you think about that, but come to find out the story behind, it will get there When you get to the cemetery, there are three points been. One is eight shreve dead set in the middle of the cemetery, and this tree is said to be a portal to hell when you get there, there are. Different kinds of legends about how you're supposed to approach. It actually interviewed a guy who was there. James and he was telling me that there are three different kinds of legends or for kind of legends on like. How did activate the order one is you're supposed to walk around the tree clockwise three times. One says you're supposed to walk our clockwise six times. One was walked six clockwise walk, counterclockwise six, the knock on the stump six times and apparently. pokey, yeah, well I guess when when a guy shows up at a black suit, a big grim black hat, and starts trying to barter for your soul and. The energy in that place is really really thick and heavy. Now my friend when he went, he said he didn't want to mess with the tree at all, but I did see videos of people going out there and performing, said rituals and no. No double actually popped up and they disappear or anything. No nothing nothing bad happened. The the second thing is actually more wholesome than you know. Something the double with a tree, and that is a gravestone belonging to oral Marmaduke. If you go in Neil next to earls gravesite, and says Marmaduke speak to me ten times that Marmaduke himself all period is overall and ask you where the cotton is. Wow okay. He was a he really was saying farm lot of work with cotton and whatnot. Then he also was one of the big players in like textile and stuff once upon a time ago. The third things a little bit more scarier I think where the the concept of a portal the help comes from, and that is off to the side of the cemetery. There legend states that there is A. Spot in the middle of a grouping of trees that is completely barren nothing grow. There are no grass, no wildlife, but the trees kind of surrounded in more or less impacted, and it said that there were. Satanic. Sacrifices happening on the altar in that section of the cemetery and henceforth why the? Why they say it's a portal, the hell there, and as far as the gates are concerned in why they're white that that tree that I said that sexually the portal the hell unfortunately later said legit. Sad ending to that back in the nineteen fifties was when the gates were added. Even though the cemetery has been around since the seventeen hundreds there was a young man who went to that tree, and actually hung himself. They! His parents actually wanted to. Kinda have some sort of memorial for him to cemetery. So they got permission from the quakers to do something, so the boy was the boy and his family were like heavy. Greek L., background culture. And Whatnot and. So the boy was actually named after a character in the story of Rack, Ni which is a old Greek mythology poetry thing mirant in was the Gaza that looked like spiders, so they decided to pay allegience to Iraq knee, and they decided to make these wrought iron fences that looked like spiderweb, so no actual schedules now there are plenty of other weird stories that go on at the spider gate cemetery, everything from weird micro climates. That would pop weird. Weird portions of the cemetery woman to their one minute. They're not people having panic attacks as soon as they enter their. The one guy I interviewed, said way. He parked far away walk there, and as he was walking, he thought that he was hearing like people walking behind him and he's very. You know he's from that area, so he knows the wildlife and he's like I. Don't think that was a deer. It seemed like somebody was following him. Leading him, trying to go away from Sud Cemetery, but he went, he said everything there was horrifying. He said he felt like the energy there was crushing him, and he said he stayed for five minutes and left and eight I. Find It really interesting that there is such an evil undertone will place. That was built by quakers in the quakers are pretty religious folk they also. Really special for yeah exactly so it's pretty interesting that they that. That's what was. What was the episode that that she did about this? That was portals to hell part one part one. Yes, the portals, the hell apart one. That was There's three things they're. Two of which were cemeteries and one was drainage sewer pipe. If remember that, but the this particular spider gate cemetery in. So many different portals to help, but this one's actually supposedly like the real deal, but nobody I guess knows the real way to walk around a tree, or knock on it or whatever it has to be I feel like as time goes on, those stories will become more and more ridiculous, more more Changing as the culture grows up in the kids grow up, and there's new generation of kids that want to go investigate, and you always hear these stories in I feel like those old keep adapting and changing in different ways, and soon as possible be throwing pennies at the tree bark could try to some Lucifer himself. I. Bat sure go ahead Scott. You said that one of the ways is to walk around it clockwise six times in the rounded con Clark. And then you're only knocking three times six, okay? So No. Six, six, six, six and why? No No, no, you. Scott. So No. College drinking getting. That's what I'm saying that's that's exactly what it sounds like. It sounds like. It sounds like a really secluded cemetery that a group of people found a long time ago, and it left some really creepy vibes. They decided to make up some urban legends about it. Do I believe in the Marmaduke Story. Absolutely that sounds great. Earl sounds like a cool character and interact with as far as ghosting is concerned so being maybe with a place like that with all the energy. Hey, are around there and it being part of the Commonwealth and being really oldest is so. There's probably some residual energy hanging out there. Even though the story goes about the Iraq need webs, you have to understand that it's still you're part of sacred geometry, and there's definitely conducting something really strange when I make out the Massachusetts I'm going to be putting it on my list by keeping my job will scouts when you want to go out there and check it out. Make sure you ask local quakers and that make sure you let the FAA no because you're trudging dangerously on an airway. Airstrips and I just he did ask if they're selling goal. Scout Cookies. Because he said that you would make a killing on them. NO GOOGLE SCOUTS IS A. Is a term I use for the sub-genre by fan base that are looking to get into paranormal investigations and stuff like that the children the night, which is my overall at then, there's you know the younger teenagers and stuff I see panels. That always asked me lawn. You get into it. Is, decided to call them the wool. Goals Scouts and the true believers and. This is the skeptic lights. Is Do they still use the cemetery? No, it's that's. No they sold. And it's you know it's one of those things where it's like. That cemetery will be there through the end of time because it reminds me when you're talking about it. Really connected connected in my brain to bachelors growth yes. Again not used in there, so my my My brother came with us, and we get our will. Part of this was him being out there on his own in the in the area, and he found an area and I'm pretty sure we saw to where there's no trees like it's not quite barren, and it doesn't have quite the the sinister devil vibe, but but it's. It's really weird where your there's just not the same growth that there is everywhere else, and so just that I just when you said that I connected it that so just kind of like. A Weird Area Lada odd energy and And? That's what I attest they're. No doubt in my mind as far as you know, haunting concerned that this place is definitely a you know a telltale sign of the being haunted. It's got all the right tropes to it and ole creepy cemetery built in the seventeen hundreds of Scott all these stories to it now. Sometimes these stories really adapt and the things that are completely insane. You know the fact of the matter is that there's probably thinks hanging out there that just WanNa? Be Wafa Wall. To be completely franken and instead they got to see knocking on You know knocking on trees to try to summon some guy in. A suit to barter with your sole, and it's not with a fiddle contest either. I wish I hope. Is that easy that you could just knock on trees? Yeah, you're telling me I. Dealing with the practitioners in the. World I wish anything all I had to do to someone. A ghost was knocked out some tree bark, and that's what would happen. Right. All right so I guess we should move on Scott Scott. Did Post a link to? The Google Scouts on Amazon Anybody is interested. Stand that is Steve, Bryant. I don't know if he's a writer, not he's another a Chicago area creator so when you said scouts. I'm like wait a second I. Was Not to to last time, he's always at too I think I think we met him 'cause. I remember talking to someone and I remember goals scouts now from that sounds for might be worthy name came from just popped up to me in a panel once. Ever since. My want to be careful about that. You might get charged every time you use. She I will pitch his hundred percent. Want to read I. Yes, definitely, Yeah. Definitely all right, so I have my last fun fact sat back about. Fach about cemeteries, so we can't. We cannot be sure exactly when we started burying our dead, but we have evidence that points back to over one hundred and thirty thousand years ago, burying the dead is perhaps the earliest form of religious practice in suggest people were concerned about what happens after death. There's evidence that neanderthals buried their dead along with tools in bones. Just staying. Yeah, the idea of cemeteries has been around forever and speaking of a very old cemetery representing ghostly. REBECCA IS GONNA. Talk About Glass Glass Niven. Yes, Nevin! That's how we decided. We're going to pronounce it. Glass Nevin cemetery in Dublin. Yes so so this guy's. Bob You talked about at episode that you've. That you've done in the past we are actually researching right now. Our next episode, which is going to be on doubling and huntings in Dublin so I thought I should look up a haunted cemetery in Dublin for this. so yeah glasses even I cannot do an Irish accent. So that's just can't do it. I Apologize but. It's so now Ms. Here's my other I always just making connections in my head, so Rosehill when you're talking about Rosehill, reminded me a lot of what I found for for Glasnovic so it was opened in eighteen thirty two. It was the first Irish cemetery where Catholics were expressly allowed to bury memorialize dead. It was nondenominational, so everyone was welcome. Daniel O'CONNELL was the person who pushed for the cemetery, and he was buried there in eighteen forty seven and there's actually this really big structure that comes out of his tomb. Now it's O'CONNELL tower, which is one hundred sixty eight feet above the ground law It was damaged during the troubles but it is now reopened to the public though I'm assuming not at this moment, but. Is technically something could go see so now? This is the craziest thing at actually, Scott. I wondered if how this compares to Roselle. They claim that there are over one point. Five million people buried in this cemetery, a hundred and twenty four acres now eight, hundred thousand of those are in a mask, unmarked mass grave from like a famine and a pandemic things like that. So how does that compare Scott to? Rossello Grace Grace Lynn as far as the number of people who are buried. I don't have an exact number for the people. At Rosedale, actually I thought of a really funny story though. But I. don't take away from your time, so go ahead walk. Okay. Okay. So, it's big You know there's a there's a lot a lot of people that and it's still used. It's still an active cemetery. people you know they are still being being buried there. So sorry. Let me look at my notes here. Make it easier to see. All right, so there are There's an annual blessing that still happens every summer since it opened in eighteen, thirty, two several notable figures there a lot of them. Were Irish that you know we may not know them. Mush here in the US but Michael Collins. We've probably heard of him he was. While he was, there was a movie about him like he's a nationalist hero that was killed during the Irish civil war in eighteen. Liam Mason I, think so yeah, And then Luke Kill Luke Kelly the lead singer of the Dubliners Oh. Yeah, yeah, you go, people might not. So other interesting mass grave this is just was weird, and again I think there might have been moving here to in In. One thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, three, a mass grave at the site of the Magdalene laundry was found where it was like an in one of those institutes for like fallen women back in the day that was a convent and they would bury. The remains of of of girls maybe died in childbirth, or whatever and just unmarked mass grave, so that when once that was found, those bodies removed to last even and buried there so again i. think that's worth all how they, so they get their numbers No, they is A. Interesting, and then in the this is interesting, though in the nineteenth century they built a mobile watch tower to watch out for grave robbers. Because as we know they would. A grave robbers for the bodies, themselves and things in the in the grave, so they would actually move the tower to each new section as they were bearing people in the cemetery there are I mean I could go on and on and on. There are endless stories, obviously is a huge cemetery, and a lot has happened there over the years Interestingly, the cemetery has its own museum. And runs its own tours. and the museum also has a cafe, so I mean this is a cemetery it's got. It's got a lot going on but there are some ghost stories I will say the accounts the people that talk about being there that even if they see anything ghostly, they unlike a lot of the stories. We've had tonight. They feel the energy. There's very benevolent i. think that because it was such a positive thing to. To open the cemetery for the country. You know anything at all the reading that I did about it. You know it was just something that you know. A lot of people had felt before this cemetery that they couldn't practice their religion when they bury their loved loved ones and once this cemetery opened. It was for anyone and everyone and you could you could know. It wasn't just the Catholics you know but anyone who wanted to to Be buried somewhere and not be bothered. for their religion so I think that maybe has helped with that kind of benevolent energy so the probably the big famous go story that is here interestingly a ghost pet story, which we just did a ghost pet episodes so I promise I didn't plan it that way but I thought that was interesting. So. There is a ghost dog. and so when let's see here. This is from shamrock gift dot. Com when the northern. Irish Royal Navy Captain. John McNeil Boyd when down with his ship, says the whole story with his ship going down, the Asia Ajax in sixty one. It said that his dog a big newfoundland was beside itself with grief, so when Boyd was buried at Glasgow even the dog stayed at the graveside of his master. He refused to eat You know, drink sleep, Unfortunately, he he died of a broken heart, basically at his master's grave and so today, many cemetery visitors report seeing the huge loyal creature peacefully at that spot. So that was yeah, that was kind of interesting but again you know kind of again, not a scary ghost. You know those kind of positive energy and then most of the other stories are actually not in the cemetery proper, but in the pub that is shares a wall with the cemetery like it is right there. It is a kind of almost on the property, but not just on the other side yeah. Spirits on spirits scares. Yeah there, you go I. Think you're getting these stories on a technicality but I'm. All right well so this is Kavanagh's POB. It's been in the family like almost I mean a really. One Hundred Years and it's it's. It's a really old pub but it's actually nicknamed the grave diggers pub, because the grave diggers from the cemetery would go there and that's where they would You know have their their break. There's also stories of how they would actually like. Go to the wall of the bar and like knock, knock knock, and then there is like a secret because they pass them drinks through the cemetery wall. Now. You know there's no proof of that but you know that's the that's the story it's. It's pretty close to the cemetery. So the the current owners are like I'm pretty sure. They probably just walked over, but you know it was interesting. but okay, so The most popular story is the ghost of an older gentleman who sits in a corner quietly drinking a pint. visitors to the pub claim that he wears vintage clothes and vanishes. Finishes his drink but then I actually found a story from one of the current owners that at Atlas Obscure posted about said the the years that Eugene ran the pub. Repeat goes. The man in tweed visited sometimes Eugene had to shuffle out stragglers in the wee hours of the nights when the bar was closing on one of these nights, the man in tweed appeared for what would be the first of several times Eugene. To get back to their homes when they retorted that it was unfair that the old guy at the other end of the bar got to stay nursing his Guinness at first Eugene thought the labs were just being drunken silly. He claims that he knew every pint he'd served at night especially in the waning last few hours. I'd have served him. The pint and I haven't served anyone a Guinness. He'd say You know, look. There's no one here and sure enough. No one was but an empty pint of Guinness set on the Bar The boys would have describe what he looked like a little pointy beard at a wristwatch with a chain that led to his waistcoat. A Real Victorian look. So. That's kind of the big famous story There's one other one from the again. The family of owners this is an and she's the current well or lease. When the story was written, the Front House manager but when she was seventeen. She tells the story. This was back when the family lived in a small second four flat above the original bar, she was just falling asleep when she saw girl with Brown curly hair, perched at the foot of her bed I kept thinking aircraft blinking blinking and realized quickly that I was still awake inside there. She was a white white. Way goes all the. The women in White and in a way there she was a white nightdress with a fairly collar, puffed up sleep, shoulders and long sleeves. She just smelled me, and then she was gone. There was no way that apparition was the product of one too many pints, either I didn't drink. It slows in my thirty. She adds so there was no relation to drinking. She claims. So there you go, guys, yeah. Does anybody have any questions for Rebecca Bob Go? How much of a question is comics? We were talking about before the show started and talking about like the sheer size. Inc of how many bodies are buried there? Right? How I pulled up some numbers in comparison, so Scott was talking about Rosehill cemetery earlier. They claim to have over only one hundred thousand graves. graceless including the ones from the old. City cemetery I not sure I'm just I just quickly pulled up numbers because I know that they got thousands from there. So are you sure I thought those to Graceland? I thought they went to both thought they were shared graceland in. Some of them were laugh. Okay. I could be wrong. Yeah, saw graceland has confirmed. This is an exact number fifty, three, thousand, four, hundred twenty five graves. Wow, and soul. I was like those numbers. Don't even come anywhere near. What's going on in Ireland so I just got curious typed in. Up Biggest cemetery in North America and came up the cavalry cemetery in Queens New York City and they say they have a potential of one, hundred, fifty, one, thousand, nine, hundred sixty five graves that are actually grades, and they said that in comparison to memorials. They said they can have anywhere up to about nine hundred thousand to a million like memorial things so park benches. Benches or a black or something, but no actual body very very well, and you know that might be part of this as well because they do. They actually have a crematorium on site. Sure and so it could be two. There's the counting like plaques, or you know something like that to the reason why it blew my mind that that there's just that many. People there is you think this would be like one of the most haunted spots in the world hate and the stories about the bar wholesome I love a good haunted bar story, and it's like my favorite stuff in the world, but you would think that there's more kicking around that cemetery than just the dog and. Did Not find one. It might relate to the fact that the Irish people don't really buy into stuff like that too much. Because go sir very much a We don't talk about that when you die Catholicism, you die, you go there. You're out. Stick around here, so I'd. Maybe that's part of it, but man I'm really interested in it because I never heard about until you brought it up. The ghost dog was the best though it is. Well but then again also Scott you with Roselle and I'm sure Graceland is similar. It was built as a based on French design, the idea of it being a park at a place where people would go and picnic and spend the day and you know that it was. It was definitely you know that that you know th century I. You know. Place to go I. Don't know if they wanted to Pique. People actually picnic there. Yeah. I think that's what would happen Yeah and that's I guess what this place is like to. It's really again. There's so many stories I mean and it's connected to. There's a woman buried there. WHO's over a hundred and someone that was the? the first boy their first person buried, there was a young boy, and anyway they're just. There's a lot a lot of stories, a lot of really interesting Tombs and gravestones on all of that so I've been to Dublin and I have not been to the cemetery, so it's kind of I think it's a little bit. Obviously, it's a little bit outside. You know kind of the main part of town and there's actually there's a whole separate new section that they built. That's really where the majority of You. Do you suppose that was like the traditional cemetery were most people probably were buried. I think so I think it's still I mean. I don't know if it's well I, I shouldn't. I'm sure there's more than one cemetery, but that sounds like it's the the main. Well there, so of course this is the one that shows up as like when you search like haunted Dublin right like this. This definitely shows up on all the lists, but there is another cemetery that of course the name is escaping me right now. That I also found that does have some haunting in it as well so I don't know. Bay. They know they have more than what. I'm sure that's awesome. I had no idea. Robert. Oh go ahead, Jank. Sorry. You probably have seen that You know black and white photos of people you know picnicking cemeteries I. It was a pretty common thing back then if you guys having if any listeners having seen these photos. Type it in Google. It's really fascinating seeing people picnicking cemeteries. It was a popular pastime. And Caroline. Wendy's still do Bachelors Grove so all right? We get a youtube question. Oh do you WanNa? Ask sure. Yeah Robert. was wondering if anyone has heard of the Greenwood cemetery in Decatur, Illinois that supposedly it is haunted, he went to university which she is says is also hunted but supposedly there's a couple of civil war. Soldier ghosts there so this is Greenwood cemetery indicator. Couldn't even tell you were decatur. Decatur! But I have not been to to Greenwood's so. It, doesn't. It doesn't surprise me though that you hear about like civil war ghosts in that neck of the woods. To gravesites out like Peoria and whatnot, and it's not uncommon. The find civil war markings. Even when I was just Statham, I was interested even when I was at Graceland back in like March, you even saw like civil war. S Timeframe gravesites there as well so doesn't surprise me there. Civil War grosses kick around a place like that. was speaking of war. We have one final question, and then we're going to wrap this up. memorial. Day was a few weeks ago and Independence Day is coming up. This is from Jesse any stories about Arlington, yes? Can you elaborate more? Things I was waiting for other people to say Arlene. I've read into it and Arlington is considered one of the most haunted cemeteries in the world. Nineties Kyle's. Grow. Grow! I. said. I said one of I didn't say. I said one of and the idea. The old famous one is the guard that will march up and down the the grow the Rose there's the story of I. Don't know the name. It's just I'm drawing a blank. I was expecting this, but there is a story of a famous Walkman during the night that will march up and down. The grave rose just keeping watch in the ideas that the people they get buried. Buried in Arlington. You know a lot of them have really tragic endings, and they don't really have closure on exactly where they're going or what they're doing, so it doesn't surprise me to hear that stuff like that exists and one story like I said I know there's more with one that comes to mind is the night watchman who stands guard knees in his uniform and everything in sounds like he was just doing his job. Anyone. Else have any Arlington. Stories well, I'm just going to say greenwood man quit Google search of that. You get a lot of haunted haunted stuff. for that haunted Illinois looks like Trae Taylor. Has Done sees a paranormal guy around here, right? He's done some some investigating there yeah eighteen. Another eighteen hundreds. yeah okay. We're going to have to investigate that one. Donate you. Thank you for that Robert. Episode Yeah so I want to thank all of our viewers for participating that you've enjoyed this panel. I also WANNA. Thank all the panelists this was. This was a lot of fun Thank you guys so much Let's start with Scott Scott what you have going on. Still producing book. Is called visitation. Where could they find that at like online? Half people can email me at visitsanjuans comic book, which is all one word that the I. S. I T. A. T. I.. O. N. S. C. O M. I see us the show K. at G. now dot com. Awesome okay. I would suggest you find me on social media bud. I'm office social media completely right now. One mean to money and I'm just like an out of here. He saw them out. Yeah, these are really rough times. I want no part of it but you can always you. People are are free to send me. Notes threw messenger on facebook. I do have facebook page at Scott Larson illustration on facebook and. INSTAGRAM is like Scott J, Larsen, art or something like that. Honestly. I found you if they. Take a look at our post and ghostly those. Tag. Jack. How about you? What is going on? And where can they find you? Sure so I have You could find the ad just. My email is Jack. See what AC- Jesse forty four eight at, Yahoo DOT COM I don't have a site or anything like that, but yeah I have. I have a We have investigation coming up. I'll July. You Lemon at Lake, the Old Lee, county jail or Crown Point jail. It's jail that John. dillinger escaped from so we will be investigating that July eleventh, and then we will be in a free four Illinois I believe the early August You can email me for details freeport. At the Tonic Temple would be investigating that as well. And then we have a couple have a couple of presentations and and other investigations coming up I'm currently writing up all kinds. So you know if you wanNA, email me in that comes out. You could do that so I'm still working on it. Yeah other than that I. Just WanNa say I really appreciate you guys inviting me on especially with with Scott you know Scott I'm a fan of your work and stuff, so it was awesome to talk to you and be able to ask you a question, and and thanks everybody for letting me on. Awesome, thank you for coming on Jack Bob. What's going on with Bob after dark? What are you doing? I am grounded still not an astute. What you see is what you get my studio. Right Obsta Lock Proton pack there. I do actually it's real right. It's right. It's a prop pat. Oh okay. So what you see what you get on the show slow coming out weekly. I! Damn determined I'll still bring that shell out every week. You could find me wherever you listen to podcasts at my newest episodes just came out today on Siren head the the nowadays slender man online scary phenomena. I actually took back up sodas. A requested I was helping out a fans, little boy, son, really scared of this thing, so I had to come forth in Put lay down some truth in helped the sun. Get some sleep at night. Could check that episode out. That's out wherever you listen to podcasts at dot com, you can follow me Bob after dark on all your major social media's and. Unfortunately, you can't find the at your local convention. There's the local conventions going on. Why as soon as they come back to catch me at your local? Your Convention River might be in the world. Do that so. Awesome and finally Rebecca. What do we have going on on ghostly? Remember I. Don't Know No, we. this. This has been Super Fun. And then we are continuing our roads every every other week. We've got one coming up this week on Wednesday. is it mentioned is going to be an Dublin haunted Dublin, so we're going to have some. Some spooky stories from the city is kind of a a new concept for our episodes at our most recent one that we just did was on the bell witch, so you can go listen to that right now. if you're interested I have been. Reading creepy stories on Youtube though it's Bene- few weeks I apologize. It's just gotten Kinda busy at work and you know in the world but I am definitely hoping to get back to it soon, Where can they find you rebecca I well, they can find me if anything ghostly podcast right so on any of your social media's we are echo, sleeping gas and and that includes Youtube rights. youtubecom mostly gas. Yeah and also they can go to go sleep PODCAST DOT COM. Code Sin and by goes leakier and all that fun stuff. One real quick thing viewers at home. If you guys have been checked out the Bell, witch. You need to. It's their best episode. They ever put out. If blows my mind tallying like much research goes Godwin into that episode. I followed that story since I was a kid, my favorite paranormal story of all time and Pat Rebecca. Did that story justice. So you guys believe you didn't get a chance to check out that episode. Go do it at its finest work. Wow, thank you. 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Digital Transformation + Digitization with Red Hat Director of Strategy Brian Gracely  Episode 52

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Digital Transformation + Digitization with Red Hat Director of Strategy Brian Gracely Episode 52

"Welcome to the Bill business acumen podcast where we deliver practical, knowledge and powerful guidance. Here's your futuristic host Nathaniel Skoula. So today, I'm interviewing Brian greatly. And if you'll Twitter you can get him at be graciously, which is be GRE C L Y, and he's a director of product strategy at red hat, the world's leading open source software company. He brings twenty plus years of experience red hat Wicky bone EMC virtue stream net app and Cisco in strategy port management systems engineering marketing, an AMI he's recognized as an industry leader in cloud computing in DevOps as well as being co host of the award winning podcast, the cloud cost he has a BS MBA from Wake Forest university. And I think you'll find this very interesting conversation was really great that you took the time to join me today, Brian, and I am very interested in learning more about you. And the projects you've you've worked on and stuff like that shirt. Thanks for having me on annual. Really? Appreciate it this morning. My pleasure. My pleasure. So I've got a Cup of just go a couple of picks mentioned before. And I'm still confused as and I think many people are actually about the difference between digitalization, which is one of the topics and digital transformation. So I think will kick kickoff by talking about digitalization. I if that Serology. Yeah. Sure. So. You know, the the terms can kind of sometimes get interchanged or get buzzword e and they get confusing. But I think in the simplest sense the way that I think about digitisation is substantially the process of taking something that let's say it's in the context of business something that used to be very physical based so going to a store or something that was, you know, location-based hailing a cab or something like that and figuring out. Okay. How do I number one make that a digital experience something that I can interact with CEO over the internet, for example. But more importantly, how do we make it something that can be personalized and we can learn from that process. So let's take let's take a simple example. So if I was in London, and I wanted to hail a cab, you know, in the past the cab sort of had full control over what that experience was as the end user the person riding in the car. I didn't really know when they're going to show up. I didn't really know what the fair was going to be. They didn't know who I was. There was no sort of loyalty to any cab companies specifically. And now what's happened is because I have essentially the internet in my pocket on your on your smartphone. And I have a service so something like lift or Uber or any other services out there that process of of hailing a cab is now become digitized because I have visibility of where they are. So I have a sense of how long it's gonna take do. I stand out in the rain. I not stand in the rain. They know I can look at who the who the driver is. So I can get a sense of how trustworthy they are do do. I want to deal with them have other people thought they were good good driver. But all of that has now become a digitized experience in. So you can begin to wrap a bunch of other things around that experience loyalty to a service an understanding of who the driver is the location of where the car is. And then that begins the process of will. Okay. What what more? Could happen beyond that. Well, basic things start to happen. You know, it's raining or the traffic is bad. And you go to Bill to communicate with that person. Maybe I moved from where I originally started. Because it was raining. I moved down the street to to the next corner. I want to be able to text that person or call that person. And so we've taken something that was very physical and location based before we've turned it into something that becomes digitized. I e we put the internet between your business and the person and all these other new interesting services customisations kind of spring out of that. So to me, that's one example of what what digitisation might meet. Okay. But I mean, all all businesses to some extent digitalized these days or most. Well, there's really two pieces to it. Yes. Every business is trying to become digitized. So whether that means your your buying experience moves to something online or digital whether it's a mobile phone or web application. That's part of it. The other part of it really is what do you do once? You've once you've done that digitisation because that's really where things sort of decide whether companies are successful or just kind of beginning to play the game. So let me give you an example of that. So. Just being able to put something online. It's been around for more than a decade. Everybody's had a website. Everybody's got a mobile app. These days the question becomes two things. Number one. What do you do when you've created that new interaction model with with your with your customers or with your business partners? Right. Is it just a a one time interaction? Right. I just went to the website. And I bought something. Or have you begun to understand? How do I learn more about that experience? When did they come? What types of things did they they search around for what did I recommend to them? What do I know about that person that I can enhance about trying to continue to make them a customer? What habits do they have all those things start to become two way interactions or multi way interactions? You're you're wrapping a lot of information around the experience, you're using that experience to make the interaction better that becomes the digitisation. Now. So that's one part of it. Do I have we have we made that digitisation rich and able to to drive more interactions or drive better experiences? That's one part the second part. That's probably much more complicated is the part where you say, okay. I'm the business. That's offering that. So let's him Bank where I'm retail or something else. When you're when you're having to make that interaction with your customer, or with your business partner more to way, more based on the data that happens, the interactions that happen now you start to have to say, okay, our internal business processes, and potentially the way we organize. Our business is probably going to have to change because we're no longer just saying we're taking an action we planned for it for nine months. We took an action, and then we're all done were essentially saying the business and the way that we interact with our marketplace or with our partners or with other things that will influence our market is going to be a constantly evolving thing constantly changing thing. And because it software that's now interacting with your customer as opposed to a person or a physical store, we have the ability to update that software change that experience used the data from that experience. To continue to improve and change it. So if your businesses is internally, very static your organizational charts, very very static the way that you communicate changes within your businesses, very static. You're going to struggle with the digital transformation part of that. Right. So you may have digitized the front end of your store, for example. But the digit the sort of digital transformation of what do I do beyond that within my company is the usually the bigger challenge for a lot of companies. Right. I mean, so did digitalization is the blanket topic which should include these transformation? Ideally, everything needs to streamline as possible reineck needs to be as easy as possible full of teams to to work within not business. So digitalising it just you know, using the data whether it's coming in from, you know, you'll old customer codes, which you know, you have and new data that you all assimilating from all over the place. It could be from from yoga analytics could be from your social media listening tools. It could be from anything else that you'll sort of plugged in. It could be weather data right up out IBM in the Weather Channel, whatever they bull few years. Billions of dollars. So so so then that actually opens up the the conversation around, you know, let's let's look this data. Let's actually analyze let's kick it around the let's create some let's create some new business models. Let's create some mole pro better processes, smoothie processes and actually just see if we're missing any opportunities raw. I mean, that's that senescence. What we're looking to isn't it? Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, we're really what happens when when you get to a point where what you've what you've done is digitized. Right. So your experience is now digital if you will it begins to sort of open up a whole lot of possibilities about how you can start to say, okay. How do I not just give better experience or be more efficient? But because the cost of making changes is so low, right. So let's take a simple physical versus virtual example. So let's say I want I run a retail store. Run a clothing store, for example, if I'm not sure if red sweaters are going to be more popular season or blue sweaters and be more popular while the cost of figuring that out means I'd have to order a whole lot of inventory. I'd have to go to the store and have to put out red ones for a few days. I'd have to figure out those sell really well, and maybe the next few days, I put out blue ones, and I figure out if those sell well, but I had. By the blue inventory, like all that can be very expensive time consuming, and for all, you know, that day was just, you know, rainy and miserable weather, and nobody was going out to buy anyways. Right. So you did a bunch of work. Maybe you got useful information, maybe did online, you can simply say, well, what I'm going to do is I'm going to to build some pictures of people with red sweaters. I'm going to build some pictures of people with blue sweaters. And for some percentage of the people that come to my website. I'm gonna put the blue sweater out as the first thing they see and I can figure out very quickly. Is that is that drawing? Attention is that collecting people are people buying that. Okay. So the next day week, whatever I put the red sweater out there the cost of doing that of putting out those experiments digitally is infinitely less right, basically cost me nothing to do those experiments and I can start figuring out. Okay. Are there correlations between? Days of the week and colors are there correlations between what was on television last night for the most popular. TV show that people watched the people watching in the person were red sweater. Should I put that red sweater out there what's happening on Pinterest or any of the other like you said social media sites to figure out? How can I start to correlate things or associate things that maybe will help me as well. And so doing it when you start with digital as your as your footprint, the ability to then experiment with the business start to figure out what people would like becomes much easier number one, but also becomes incredibly less expensive to do. And so your ability to to tweak things for one percent five percent here, and there becomes much more manageable than what you ever did in a physical world. So so it enables you to so come up with all sorts of new possibilities in all areas of the business, doesn't it? Absolutely. So for example, you you might say, well, you know, you might be clothing store. Will a new might think will I case we've got great website. So how we get a tight this to the next level. I mean, I've been looking at getting some glosses. Yeah. So I'm getting glosses and had a look at some of the glosses in shop. And then I look online and a went to a site, which is you you can glossies online. Okay. So they said you could also on. I was just like looking on my mobile. It says please install flash right? Look at yourself and see these glosses on right how to install flash from is fine. Yeah. Right. Right immediately. That company his base it just lost themselves money. Right. What did do a win eyebrows? Looking design a frightened. Let decided I was gonna side money and just bought cheap power of reading bosses instead from shop right because my prescription and everything else, and I didn't want the hassle of all. Okay. But but then. Assaultive than just start thinking. Okay. So how go okay. I'm going to look at some manufacturers design of rhymes for when I do have some money to buy some design, a frightens when budgets, so I think to look I think it was police glosses all you know, it was one of these one of these time on brands could have been correct. It wasn't Amani. I think it was police will some some someone like that. And I looked on the site, and it said trial in the glosses. So okay. So I picked some frames stick my head in front of the camera. I wake wiggle my head around from left to ROY Eichel fitting for my head. So like, they put glosses on Anna tell you what brought it was pretty good. I'm not gonna lie. Right. But the thing is that shouli you is retailer won't would want to be there ahead of fuel manufacturer. Or at least the manufacturer would direct the business into your stall. Once you've decided what will I mean? It's just a a no brainer in and these. Muzzles can be old areas. Conway Ono Opas retail. I mean, the future of retail. Puzzling is very exciting. But I think that square footage is going to reduce and I think it's going to become more interesting. I mean, well, she also view on on on that. Well, I think you highlight two really important things. Right. The first one is so take your example of of glasses. You know, as things become digital as you no longer really care for lead set experience worked out great. Will you no longer really care? Did I buy them from the retailer or did I buy them directly from the glasses manufacturer far as you're concerned? That was a great experience whoever did that. So this digital digitisation model. This digitisation experience is really sort of disrupting business in that people who used to be manufacturers in their business used to be go to market through retail. All stores through sort of secondary, people will they no longer need those, right? The value chain may radically change because they can directly go after you. They can advertise on Google. They can you punch glasses into your search, and they may show up as opposed to the retail. So there's going to create some tension in the in the value chain in the supply chain between the the creators and the people who do retail, and what that's doing is alternately for people that are in the retail space, meaning things like they own real estate. They have stores and so forth there really having to rethink. Okay. Number one. Do I wanna maintain the real estate is that providing any value, and in some cases, the answer's yes. And other cases, it may not be may be shrinking retail. But you know, it comes and goes, right? There's usually some sort of of disruption that happens in the market. So maybe they don't need as much retail space. But then we do begin to see things come back into retail. So we see things like the apple store who said, you know, we're going to spend less time having lots of shelves stocked. We're going to spend more time allowing you to be in the store they'll be geniuses there. You can learn things in the store. So there's a reason to physically come there. Because there are people that still wanna shop that way automobiles are bought that way and other things about that way. But yeah, it's it's really forcing companies to say, okay. Number one. Can I create great experiences? But number two is my value chain, my supply chain going to potentially change here or get disrupted here where am I in that value chain and then? Given certain scenarios that could play out. What do we want to do with the assets that we have, you know, Israel estate and storefront is at still an asset. Do we wanna rethink what that looks like maybe we want to do other things in that real estate, but also move more stuff into digital experience? So it really there's not one right answer to it. That's the that's the interesting part of this. But it is making people really have to rethink those things about you know, what is our current business. Look like, what could our other business, look like our partners competitors? Our partners our partners, it really it really changes. A lot of things in interesting ways. Yeah. I mean, it's a bit like Dollar Shave Club isn't at the end of the dia may not that's that came from nowhere. The branding was amazing. They and they sold for like ridiculous amount money for a billion billion dollars to the to Gillette for business. Just came from nowhere right now. Thanks have a billion dollars. It's like, but the thing is all it's gonna take is an application on an iphone or an Android phone, which means you can do all tests. You know, you do your tests. A k you sit there, and literally you you gotta be crate you create the images of what you're like in different clothes with different hat cuts with different gloss frames. Yeah. All continents is. Oh, do I would blue blue contacts? And it's going to become a thing. I think that is ripe for disruption particular. I don't like the disruption. That's innocence was happening was being happening forever. I mean, one about IBM is the they all a very old company actually in schema things was talking to Winston Churchill's grandson the other day, the he's the founder of American angels. Which is a angel investment thumb. They have he's what with over thousand stops. And you know, what quite impressed that shit. We were so talking about that. It's just it's just so interesting. How? These businesses can just come from nowhere. And I think IBM is the only one really the I know of this actually stood around from that era. I mean is pretty old compared to if you look all the talk to companies most of them, most of them, anew, twit. Not even twenty years old, right, right? Yeah. There's always, you know, as we move from every generation of computing. There's always going to be maybe a few that survive into the next generation. And then a lot the domain so. Yeah, I b m has had survived through the mainframe era. They essentially created the computing market. They survived through the P Sierra. They're they're now trying to reinvent themselves through the cloud computing era, and you know, as we get into things like artificial intelligence, and the internet of things and all things that are going to become super data. Intensive you know, it makes sense as to why they would go out and acquire companies like the Weather Channel who have number one massive amounts of data. But you. About things like weather weather impacts, so many things that aren't just hey do. I take an umbrella to work it impacts supply chains it impacts, you know, all sorts of stuff that companies have to plan for so having that information being able to say, hey, could we monetize it in ways? That don't just look like you turn on your weather for the day. And see what the forecast look like can I help somebody, you know, forecast what they should buy. If I'm the home supply store or something else. You get yourself into lots of different businesses. And and again, it's really about the importance of thinking not just about your business. But like your supply chains your value chains your partners. How can you? How can you help them or potentially monetize those interactions? Yeah. Very much site though, I must site. It's quite exciting. Pro spit up in a sort of been involved with the CD summits for the past few years kind of helps with the social mounting that in twenty minutes in London and. David David Mathieson is a is a is a lovely gentleman. But then in twenty four teen listens to what the New York government would doing. And let's just give you scenario. I k you to the New York Neil government, and you say to them what to open a stall in New York. And this is this this blew my mind is still blows my mind if you think it's five years ago. Nearly now that this happened and the government then say to you, right? So we'll business you it. So you tell them, okay, I'm going to open a coffee shop k so what they do is. They actually analyze own of the footfall in the entire New York metropolitan area, the demographics of the people that are gonna be pausing post the front of your stole the Mt shops. Yeah. The pro sympathy to to public transport links balls of the coffee shops, eccentric cetera. Right. And then they say this is the best location few and it's out for rent. It's have much money per month. Right. Yeah. It's it's one of these things where again, I think it's a great. That's a great example of saying of thinking of yourself as a as a one. Function organization. So the government may be as in the business of making laws, and maybe trying to you know, maintain certain order in society. They're saying, look, you know, we also have a responsibility to to collect taxes to help build schools, and and one of the ways they're going to do that is to make make business thrive and do that as you said you've got a not just give somebody a licenses to to put up a coffee shop. But there's a lot of value that, you know, about your city that you ought to be able to provide help that business. Find the best place to be hopefully that's going to help their business succeed that's gonna drive tax revenue. It's going to help the city. I mean, it it's like it's a huge cycle that you want to be part of and figure out where you can provide value and the value. A lot of times always centers around the data that you have and the ability to collect data analyze data. Yeah. That's the core of digitalization. Isn't it? Is it really is? Absolutely. Yeah. So so in terms of digital transformation. Right. There are a number of different businesses in the well, they're, you know, they're small businesses that are medium size. They're large businesses. Right. Right. Right. Each one of those is it a different step different stage of digitalization a cane. So. When he saw with digital transformation. Well, I think the key when you think about digital transformation, you know, start start with one assumption, which is like you said we're going to default on digitizing the business, right? But the second thing typically is you have to realize that the transformation part of it while there's a technology aspect, and there are lots of people who can help you with technology, the bigger part of it. Typically is the the people that are involved, and this is typically the hardest part. So essentially what you have to come to realizes. There's probably a part of your business that their job is to say, hey, we're going to come up with new innovative things. Right. It could be business development or sales or whatever that function is we're going to cope with new innovative things. Well, their job is go fast, create new things have innovative ideas. Well, there's also going to be other parts of your current business whose job is is to create stability right there. The group that manages security for your business or. Or you know, they make sure that the website is always running twenty four by seven and so forth. And what happens there is as you're trying to digitize things as you're trying to move faster in the markets. You're trying to react to the market's differently. You create this this inherent internal tension between the people that wanna go fast and change things. And the people who are incentivized to to not change things to keep things stable to keep things secure. And so the first thing to really realize that you're gonna have to figure out a way to overcome that tension because you want the benefits of moving faster of collecting more data making decisions on that data and doing it in a way that that doesn't, you know, create undue risk on your business or create so much change that nobody can understand it. So that's that's always the first thing that that people kind of have to mentally grasp in it's really important that that gets looked at from the executive. Because the executives have to be supportive of the idea that, hey, this digitisation digital transformation important for our business is gonna make survive in the long run sort of top down encouraging encouraging of that. But also, there's gotta be some retraining and some some educating at the at the ground level of the business people doing the work to say, hey, look, we're going to change some things, and we're going to support you in how this change it's going to happen. It's going to feel different. We're going to measure things different the business, but kind of understanding that inherent tension of some things have to go faster and something still wanna remain the same. That's always the biggest challenge. And typically the the best starting point in terms of how we're going to make this happen. Yeah. That makes sense. I mean, I think there's lots of people who all very scared about losing that Joel's. Yeah. Think a lotta people become complacent as well in in jobs Karez on businesses as well, and that complacency, unfortunately, guys anyone listening to this is going gonna cause either, you know, mass mass loss of jobs. All it means you need tight action lent. Something new, and you know, I would prefer to take action. Learn something new, and that's my personal attitude about sit but over an above above above this yet businesses have their own precious from from Stockholm shareholders and everything else. However, the needs to have some so of coal procession responsibility. Which shows the there is not to mass panic within that business says will look. We just wanna have you met your job easy. We wouldn't mean we wanna make you Joe better full you. I'm gonna help you to might Joe bets. Yes. We'll get a streamline as best as we can. But we will ensure that they're all plenty of jobs because I mean, not the other fair, the, you know, they're all gonna be any people walk in. It's just gonna be robots like with the Hitachi warehouse manager that they recruited in twenty fifteen to manage warehouse of humans, which is quite an interesting one. Right. Yeah. You know, they're obviously some examples that are starting to come up where we see automating take the place of of what were human jobs at some point. You know, what we find more and more, you know, in the in the sort of computer side of technology is that number one. I always tell people if you've been in in the technology industry, sort of the computer side of the technology Streep for any period of time. The only constant that's existed is change. Right. You're. Used to change you're used to having to learn something new on a fairly regular basis. It may be once every year once every couple years, but you know, fearing fearing change and being on the computer side of technology are kind of oil and water you sort of come to accept it. And the reality is in most cases, the business isn't saying we would we would benefit from losing all of your experience or losing having people to do these things what they're really saying is we just want to do things in in different ways. And we're looking for the ability to be to be adaptable. And so it it asks it says number one not really asking you to do anything radically different that you've done before I'm asking you to continue to learn continue to change. And and so that's you know, that should help part of the, hey, you know, we're going to evolve and the second part of it is, you know, you're kind of asking your your workers to to make some commitment to the business because the business is essentially saying we would like to continue to. Survive with to continue to be successful. And we want you to be part of doing that. And you know, if you've built a culture in the company where people enjoy working there. They wanna see the company be successful. They become successful as the company become successful. This is really doubling down on on a commitment between, you know, the company itself and the and the workers themselves to say, hey, we want to be successful. We want you to be part of that. And you know, in most cases, when when you present it that way, you find there's there's a lot of buy in from people. There's less pushback than there is by into wanna make things successful. Wanna learn new things and be part of the part of the change. Yeah. I mean, I think I think the people who innocence will will lose that jolts jokes will change dramatically the ones that needs to be looking anyway, really because experience. I mean, the experience is is valuable, and you know, all these people sort of getting causing a mass panic about a all I and everything. Else? And actually, you know, I mean, I was talking to talking to don't judge. Oh, the other tight said. And he said, you know, we're not going to be living in the in the age of the Jetsons anytime soon, and did might be smaller actually because that's what that's what people in technology like everyone to believe the actually all will we give it just use this mass hyping of a, Aw, and technology what it can actually do. And I I think that someone needs to put a hand up site. You know, wall a case. So we can do these things with AI bought. A is not connected. Yeah. That is used in very specific ways. And it is not going to create some kind of you know, ganja's fueled hallucinations of grandeur like eat on musk is sign that it's gonna kill everyone and everything else. I mean, that's that's. Attitude around it. What's your view on that one Brian? Yeah. I think the thing with with an emission learning. People have to remember that this isn't a new phenomenon. This is. Science and mathematics at suggested for twenty thirty years. And so there's always a certain amount of science fiction that goes onto. Hey, if if it's something gets taken to its its furthest reaches. Here's what it could look like and we've seen science fiction movies about that and books have been written and so forth. But but the real reality is that you know, with with AI with machine learning. It's it's now such an everyday part of our lives that we sort of forget that the the small progresses that makes you know, sort of unlock some things. So for example, if you've ever gone to Google, you know, way back in the day if you went back ten years in Google Google didn't do things like complete your search. Right. You start typing in a couple of words in fills. It a bunch of stuff for you. You know that didn't use to happen right now. Those things start to happen. We'll nobody says oh my gosh. My searches using a I m L, it's it's like people go that's a nice convenience. You know, the Jetsons thirty forty years ago used to talk about flying cars. Well, now, we have vehicles, you know, most modern vehicles. These days have a bunch of things built into them that do pretty interesting stuff that are helping you drive better. They let you know when you've gone outside the lanes, they'll do some things to sense the car in front of you and potentially stop. If you're not stopping in time. Well, that's essentially a variation. What machine learning I is. But they've just become a part of your everyday thing. And you look at them, and you go all those are great. They get kept me safe. They helped me avoid an accident. And so I think there are there are always going to be scary scenarios that people will apply to science if it if it goes radically wrong, every superhero movies ever is always based on that the hulk Spiderman or something, but I think what we're seeing more and more is that the the small advances the day to day advances that happen people tend to like the benefits that come. Those and the ones that are strange and weird and radical kind of get kicked out by the market rejected by the market. But the things that are that are useful, and helpful and become part of our day to day lives people. Appreciate that. It ends up unlocking some time that they can do with other things. So I I'm less fearful about it. I understand the concern and the fear and ensure you know, things can go wrong. But you know, I think the market has a way of sort of accepting the things that are useful for for the broad pieces of society. And and rejecting the ones that that seem to cause a lot of harm. Yeah. Yeah. I I agree. So we'll we'll exciting digital transformation projects. Have you been involved with run? You know, the the good thing about it is there there's so many of them, and it's like it's a little bit. Like, the I I have, you know, things happen, and they may seem small at the time, but they begin to sort of blossom saw give you a couple of simple examples, I grew up in in Detroit, which for your listeners, they may or may not know Detroit with sort of the the capital where automobiles were originally kind of become mass produced Ford and the assembly lines were so you know, I grew up in Detroit. And in the thing that you always focused on with automobiles was was horsepower. And and styling of the outside of the car and all those types of you know, it was very machine Centric. And nowadays when you think about automobiles all of the automakers are really focused on, you know, what's the inside experience. Like, can I can I deliver software to the vehicle. So that it gets new features. It doesn't just stop. When it rolls off the off the lot revolt, the vehicle it's now thinking about, you know, can I update? Maps in the car. Can I date, you know, better driving things? And so we've worked with some companies some of the automotive companies that are really focused on. How do we deliver software to those to those automobiles on a consistent basis? You know, how do we focus people's experience the kids in the back seat can get WI fi? Or you can personalize your music experience like that's a huge transformation for the automotive industry. Less about the the engine itself and more about the experience in the car. We work with, you know, work with a company who is one of the major hotel companies and one of their focuses was they said, you know, everybody comes through our front door. Everybody deals with the front desk. But everybody gets the exact same experience. And the reality is somebody coming in with kids on vacation is totally different than the person. Who's a business traveler a road warrior rolls in at eleven o'clock at night. And so they said, you know, the the. First thing that we could do the simplest thing. We could do is give them a key. Let them get the key without having to check in the front desk at eleven o'clock at night when they're tired. They just wanna show up. And so we help them with a digital key program. And is simple as that. Sounds you go allow that really starts to unlock a lot of things number one. It maybe helps the hotel itself rethink the front desk experience at rethinks that whole real estate that they have of the front desk. What else could we do to that? But number two, it personalizes the experience for that person. It could be I rolled in late at night. And I want to let them know. Hey, please put some water in my room or please put warm cookie in my room. I don't have to deal with the front desk person. If I'm tired if I'm grumpy so sometimes they're big things. Like the automotive example, other times there, what seemed like little small things, but they have sort of nice benefits because that road warrior, you go I'm gonna go back to that hotel. If I get a chance always going to pick that one because they make my. Check in experience better in. So you're always thinking about how what what can we do to make the customer experience better to make the loyalty, experienced better. And then what can we learn from that? And there's a bunch of technology that makes all that happen. But again, there's so many examples out there, you know, it's really sort of fascinating. Interesting about the front desk check in law, actually, because it's it's just it's so necessary to reinvent everything. Because people's people are different like, the people are so different. Like like, you say having a family is a business traveler completely different order, newlyweds soul. You know, Tunceli totally different. So what's what's the most exciting for you of all the projects that you've been involved with a while? You know, I think the thing that that that you love the most is when you when you get a chance to work with some companies, and and they start to realize like, okay. Number one. We conquered some new technology. That's always that's always fun. It gives them a lot of satisfaction that something they were. Maybe we're afraid of her didn't know anything about where they were excited about. But more importantly, it is it is pretty crazy when after a working with somebody for six months or year or something they go. This is this is going to totally change our business. This totally unlocks our ability to to do to get into new markets and new things, you know, like I treat a little bit. Like my kids like you don't you don't love one kid more than the other. And you don't want to say that one's with another. But it's amazing to me. What's really interesting is is to watch these companies kinda start to get creative. Right. It's for me. I work with a lot of technologist computer people. And you think well, they're only focused on computers in the blinky lights and kind of a low level stuff. And what happens is when you unlock and you start to talk to them, and you go, hey, you have the ability. You know, you've never really been the front of the business, but you have the ability to impact the future of the business. They just their creative juices get going and they get so excited about it. And I give you one more example, it's sort of against sort of in the travel space, but did not not coincidentally we work with one of the airports in Europe. And they said. This really big goal. They said we want to be the best airport in Europe. And you said, okay, that's great. And they said we wanna do that by twenty twenty one. So super short timeframe, and they really started thinking about, you know, everything about the experience of going to the airport everything from, you know, how do I get my tickets to make that simple for people? How do we notify them about things that are going on? Like is the weather changed other delays in traffic has the flight been delayed everything about they're trying to think about every bit of the experience. How can digitize it how do they put sign in the in the in the airport? So that you know, it's in multiple languages or they figure out the flow of traffic you start to think about all that. And you're like, this is this is really amazing. This is sort of watching businesses reinvent themselves somewhat in real time. And and the fact that they, you know, they don't longer have to think about just the resources that they have. But they think about how do I interact with weather allow going? Go to the Weather Channel. Oh, how do I interact with social media? Oh, there's there's a whole bunch of tweets about some traffic thing or there's tweets about some crazy incident. Like, how do we how do we collect all that? And then make better experiences that that part is is really fun because you're no longer talking about technology anymore. You're talking about really reshaping these companies businesses, and they wanna think about the next twenty years for themselves. That's that's very cool. Yeah. I j excitement I think seeing the people get excited about will that doing that of shed the excitement you'll ready excited because you involve with this. But for them discovering it, and then actually, you know, having that sort of helping hand must just be very rewarding. No doubt about that. So. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. So on digital transformation do stall sort of just by like an old like say say I had a business that the, you know, and I came to you. And I said, hey, hey, Brian. Can you can you help me? Me I need to really transform digitally. I wanna I wanna become the most digitalized business in my space yet where where do you stole he stole the Nola Ditz? Then then a list opportunities from that will. So I think the reality is there's there's usually two places people start and one one I found works pretty well in one tends to leg. So usually the companies are the businesses that start with the problem. So they have an urgency in the business somewhere. Maybe it's a simple as hey business has been slow. We have to increase profitability. Okay. That's fine. That's typically kind of a normal thing in the business. But usually when there's there's something that's a little more critical in the business. Maybe they had a major outage, you know, that that impacted their business. They ended up on the front page of the newspaper, or you know, they lost something usually when they're. When there's a criticality that starts the process that tends to work itself better in the reason for that is number one urgency sort of focuses people, but number two, it it gives them a distinct area sort of work on and it really forces them to say, okay. How did we get ourselves in this situation, and you know, delete? We just wanna get ourselves back to sort of normalcy. Or we use this as an excuse to to really rethink what we did. And the reason I used that example, is you can apply this to sort of your regular life. You know, if if you wake up on January first, and you say, well, my my New Year's resolution is I like to lose ten pounds. Okay. You could do that any year of your life for any reason? And you just sort of said you wanted to that. But if you went to the doctor, and the doctor said, well, your cholesterol level is is over three hundred. Well, now, you've got a critical reason to go. I better lose those ten pounds. I'd better figure out the best way to change my diet. I better figure out because now I've got an urgency. And so that the urgency driven starting point tends to work better. It's it's easier to drive funding around those projects. It's easier to drive people being concerned about it the ones where you just start with an audit and say, hey, you know, all my other competitors say they're doing digital transformation. Those work, you know, their success that happens with them. They don't tend to change nearly as fast because there isn't an urgency. It's harder to get funding. People think you're just doing the day in day out were so I I always typically ask people. You know, what's the most critical thing happening right now? Or what's the thing that worries you the most as opposed to just saying, hey were changing for normal? Ten percent efficiency improvements. Pain is is a is a great motivator. Yeah. That's normal normal human function that we all understand. Yeah. Painted urgency. Yeah. Yeah. And then then from there, if you know, they they've said, well, we've got this massive problem. We've had a data-breach used as an example, we gotta Deitz of rage. And you know, we've we've ridicule serious problem here. How do we manage data on? How do we tighten this of gnome can get into all systems again? Right. Then you then you put together a plan, a NAN awesome. What else they they may need, and then and then sort of get with the other stuff us, and then and then progress to the mall nice to have items at the end, right? Yeah. I think there's really you have to think in terms of to sort of immediate paths. Right. The first one is going to be again. Think of these in parallel. The first one is. So you had this breach? You wanna go to to the executive level of the company and make sure they understand the criticality of it. But also make sure that they're going to get behind the things that the project needs to be successful. So are they going to help get it funded? Are they going to help make sure that they're providing air cover in terms of schedules and making sure that people realize how important this is to fix. There's there's a top down aspect of it. But typically, what ends up happening is the in parallel. You can go to the teams that are responsible for things. And be like, hey, you know, not just do, you know, why this happened or you know, what would? But in a lot of cases, they've already been researching what other technologies could be used to make this better what best practices? Did we wish we could have been using? But you know, we just didn't have time to do it. So in parallel, you're kind of going to from the bottom up and saying, what do you guys think would help make this this better because they live? With it every day. They typically know what would have been better. And it also allows them to say, hey, what restrictions were what changes can we make at the, you know, at the work level really finding that balance between sort of executive top down by in air cover support. And then encouragement and the knowledge from the base in terms of bottom up. You gotta find a way to work both of those in parallel. Yes, a plan falls out of it and so forth. But those two things are really really important. If you just do one versus the other you either get lots of ideas with no support or lots of expectations with no ability to execute. Yeah. I can see that because it can be really demotivation when someone at the top of business tons is doing this. Then they come to department and say doing this a new night. Well, I don't want that. We don't need that. Right. You don't understand it? Yeah. All you know, we know the that's the solution and picking the right solution. Son, Goltz vk, isn't it really? But I think I think the future is bright. I think that I think a lotta companies going through this right now. I mean, it was sort of looking at some stats the other, Diane. I think it was thoughts. Full Senate of businesses a well into digitization the the completely transforming using using Deitz. But I mean, I think they're sort of outside factors that coming in. You know, like GDP off, for example here. And then you guys have got the California thing that happened over that was that was pretty serious in terms of like, you know, government legislation not so stuff. But I think I think, you know, starting off with a kind of a hate to say, but like the old school methods like swat analysis and stuff like still have vantage diet unite. They do I think what you end up finding is that the the long-term planning processes that that a lot of companies used to do they have five. Year tenure forecast or road map or plan. Those are that model is really getting broken down. So you still you still want her stand the swot analysis, and the Forbach squadrons, and all those sort of things might learn business school, but you very much have to be able to say we're going to we're gonna do iterative planning. We're not doing sort of waterfall planning where we start and we've plan and plan and plan and plan, and then we get to the end it's eight to eighteen months later, and we're like, oh, wait all of our sumptious or no longer. Valid because the market changed. Right. You've gotta you've gotta have things in place that say are planning is going to be iterative. We're gonna collect feedback as we go along we're going to course. Correct. As we go along, you know, there's a there's a model out there people that's called oh DA or a it's like observe OD. It's called ODA loops. And they're things that the military us all the time because in military environments, you have a plan you have a battle plan. You know, where your enemy is. But. The enemy moves around. The environment's changed, the weather changes, the munitions change how much food you have changes in. So there are things that we're learning from other ecosystems that become applicable to business environments that are going to change more frequently. Yeah, I mean, I think coming up with you know, way you want to be having that big goal. You know, Wimbledon. Did they say what we want to be the best the best tennis tournament in the world? And right, I've done it. You know, and they all doing it. They digital transformation of the absolute core of what the day, even so far as you know, taking over the Brule costing and saying we'll waving controller this now. And if you weren't with us than you need to pay us, a what they did with the BBC, right? Yeah. They changed their supply chain. Exactly. And then they reverse the power. And I think there's a lot to be said for that. But you know, keeping ethics of the coal is is is so so important and not a like about winds. I mean, if they're shit with the BBC, they designed the white they release updates. So that it actually benefits the baby say instead of hunting that which I think goes to, you know, coal ethics of business and an alike. Now think that they're also many interesting exciting things going on right now. But we all need to remember, the if we if we lose the consumerization ri- than old of this technology and everything is gonna leave us like the Flintstones anyway. Oh, yeah. Ethics and working well with your partners in creating you know, like Stephen Covey says win win situations is always going to be good for your business. There's going to be some change along the way and you want to educate them. But yeah, if you're creating situations that are that are win wins that you that you wanna create bigger opportunities in exist today. Those are always great starting points for you know, working with people in trying to make things better. Yeah. We'll thanks broad even been ready generous with your time. And we got thirty seconds left. So it's the best place for people to find you on Lincoln d think yet Lincoln's greats Brian Graceland linked in at Graceland on Twitter online a lot and any of those places would love to talk to folks. And you know, my my direct messages are always open. So love to talk to people at the stuff. Cool. Very cool. Thank you so much and food to speak and say soon buddy, thank you, really. Appreciate the time. Thanks so much for listening. Please subscribe and wherever you prefer shale with your friends. And if you enjoy the show drops review on itunes, all wherever you listen.

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Ep. 53: Charlotte Sands

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Ep. 53: Charlotte Sands

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And we actually did record a podcast episode but then the files got lost so we just decided. We had a fun time the first time. Let's just do it again. So you're about to hear take. Two charlotte had just released her ep special which included the viral single dress especially on our pride month. We love song like dress and how well it promotes a culture of acceptance expression inclusivity regretful the charlotte for her kindness her openness and her willingness to do the second time so without further ado i'm charlotte sans and this is talking lion. Well hey hello. How's it going. It's going so well you know. Second times the charm. Yeah everything that you know. It's it's nice because on the one hand like we have done this already on the other hand. I have the memory of goldfish. So i don't remember anything that happened the first time. Yeah abso so nice to meet you. Thank you say pleasure privileged to be here. I mean the little likewise trust you know we we get we add two interviews for the price of the deal and now we get to five minutes like where are you from where you live john. It bucket i love it. It's just how has your week been there. you said there's There was a flood in nashville. Yeah so called You got about six inches of rain just yesterday. it was. It's been like tornado warnings for like the last four days which has been super weird and sketchy especially because it's almost exactly one year since the last tornado hit here So it's always crazy. Because i feel like whenever that kind of weather stuff comes through. You're always kind of act sign. You know it's Whatever it's gonna roll through and then there's always this moment here in nashville where you're dislike ono leg is this is his act like a tornado warning roses just like a light rain like they're freaking out about it but got yesterday was pretty crazy. A lot of places are flooded. I have friends apartment complexes all of their cars are officially totaled because the harlow because their parking lots were down and i guess like ruined their engines and stuff like that. So it's it's been crazy. But i mean i think i'm i'm grateful that it wasn't like an actual tornado lake last time 'cause that was so much worse but you said last time we chatted that You like very narrowly avoided the tornado. That happened last year. Yeah i live like pretty close to where it all happened. And it was wild i because i live by myself and it was one of those things where you just think that. It's kind of like a random notification on your phone you're like whatever and then all of a sudden you're like okay. This is not normal. And i have no idea what to do in this situation. You kind of just like cross your fingers like all right. Well this is it. It's been a good run if you wouldn't mind. Just tell them that story again. You had a party row. Yeah i forgot. I told you about this So basically super weird. I was my photographer jackson day. It was her birthday that night. And i went to this bar right next to the basement east in nashville and For her birthday and we were all hanging out and it was like nine or ten and I usually like the kind of a gal stick around in all. Hang in for some reason. I was just like i just wanna go home like i don't know what it is like. There's something about like it was like an energy thing that i was like with people. I loved all my friends. And for some reason i was still like i. Just wanna i just wanna go home at home. And i went home and then not even two hours later. The tornado actually went exactly on that street to the point where everyone who is there that i left had to like basically go into the basement and get cover and the building the base which isn't right next to that bar was almost completely taken out by it so thankfully none of them were hurt But that bar. That i was out like two hours before that got hurt like hit like really hard and it was just wild. Just one of those moments where you're like okay you got you got the intuition for like yeah. You didn't park your car in a in an underground park right. Exactly thank you universe. Thank you mother. neither. I felt like a dog. Like dogs like sensing weather weather. We've was like an animal other than the the incredible weather. What what drew you to national in the first place. Where are you from originally. Yeah how did you wind. Up in nashville. So i'm from a town outside of boston massachusetts. I've been in massachusetts. Basically going whole life and i went to high school. It's called hopkinton. And i went to high school there in about a week or two after i graduated high school. There i moved to nashville. I was planning on taking a gap year. And i was supposed to be going to college and just decided to move there and take one year and see how it went and i've been here since my parents are thrilled No i was drawn to nashville. Because i grew up on like a lot of female sochi songwriters and Like bonnie raitt shell crow faith hill Alison krauss like all these incredible women who were like these storytellers in my life. And i grew up on their music and all of their albums consistently had to do with nashville in where they were created or whether written or produced turned some sense they would always say on the back of like the cd player that they were like made. A nashville recorded a national which is so random. Because in my mind. I was like tennessee. Like what the so weird. I always do. I found on the nashville tennessee. I thought about nashville was like an area of la. Or i don't know. I think i knew i knew for certain that was in tennessee. Was dollywood yes. The dolly parton park graceland graceland there. Which is so crazy. 'cause i've driven by so many i need to just like do it as you know. That's that's that's one of the like i was never really like a disney kid And i've never been to disneyland. Did i never. It was never super duper into roller coaster. It's never really wants like six. Like but i did go to dollywood a couple of times with friends and those those are like the biggest and most intense crisis i've ever been on it coaster which is so weird. I think i went as a kid once. And then i was like never never again i think the the peak the peak of culture will be when they start giving vaccines at right now. Exactly also i feel like we take a moment to appreciate that. That dolly parton is like the only musician who has managed to make a theme park out of her brand. That's actually insane. If you think like really crazy stories about it. I'm probably gonna mess up. There was like i remember hearing stories about how she basically went to her her team and like she brought this idea to like the idea to so many people and they all were like this is going to ruin your career in this rioting and she was literally the only person who was like. Trust me on this like this. I pretty backed out of ten or something insane and now it is huge massive and makes so much money in. She's just such a bad ass like she's so cool so cool. I wish that they really brush over it in the dolly. Parton documentary on netflix. Like yeah and then she build dollywood. And i was like wait. Wait i wanna walk exactly. That'd be matching on dollywood. That's awesome contemptuously. Like you i sort of popped up on my radar because we were both on fresh finds at the same time And you were you were the cover of it like you're like sitting in the kitchen and i wasn't sure if i remembered the zero correctly or if i just really wanted syria i wasn't about to be like there was like it was messy. I think of a serial like the dollar store and got like a massive bag it was like an actual bag of like heaven's or whatever they're called and i basically ended up pouring them all over my kitchen and make an entire mass for that photo. Shoot awesome though you really you really gotta like. If you're not messing up your kitchen for art what are you doing. I drink so much milk. Because i was like the milk for the cover art. I drink so much milk that i didn't eat. I like actually two days. After that. I was so full and everything kind of sounded gross to me because i was basically a gallon of milk that day sponsored. By by got milk. I really five could go or you could just like oatmeal. Yeah dropping a milk brand right now. I i'm working on a film right now. I'm doing like sound for it. And i had to record the fully of chewing is so so. I wound up. Just scarfing down about a dozen times over the course of five minutes right and i felt so sick for the things the sacrifices we make for. That's amazing you know. It's it's only seven related. But like i still feel like i love the train. Joe exactly. they're great. I just don't want to look at them right. You're on a break. I'm gonna break out now if you ever. If you're ever working on another movie with senate yeah it on lock. Yeah i got that in perpetuity. Thank god we're gonna as my own personal sounds well which i don't but that's that's how i found you but you knew shirley because of a meal. Yeah i forget why. But i i school will. Yeah so so our friend amelia's also from hopkinton And i forget. I forget. I think i think when we were on The fresh funds playlist amelia. Message that oh. I actually went to school with charlotte. Amelia is incredible and Her family is incredible. Yeah her dad was actually like my first drummer i've ever had right. And so my first release show ever for my album. When i was sixteen years old and releasing like crazy music Her dad was my drummer. I'm basically like organize everything in her. Mom was like gave me guitar lessons. Like their whole families like a local folk hero. She's like a singer. She's barbara kessler. She's incredible is the best and she's like. Oh my god. I could just go on for so long. She's like the coolest person ever like. You meet her in your dislike. Take me under your wing like let me hang out in beer. Fran ran so much like our stuff in hopkinton was just read the the open mic nights. I ever played in my life. She was like the host of just one of those people. That i'm like genuinely don't know where i would be. They weren't like in my life but yet another so cool and amelia's just incredible and so talented and her barbara kessler code. You i have. I have i have a song. I have a song with barbara kessler. As a as a co writer we were working on on. The song loved the ocean Emilia really wanted. Because it's this folk singer song your song. She really wanted to pay homage to to her mother and her mother has a song called notion which rhymes with ocean for those prime land or those in rhineland those running running the rhymes on we'll save. You will save you. The ship ocean ocean doodoo somewhat. Rhyme so She interpolated the song of from others as the bridge of the and barbosa played played like so many guitar takes like she she. She played like so many different styles of guitar with different. Mike's like she. She gave us so much beautiful stuff to work with and production and it was her mom on the ultimately. It's me and it's the martin because at the end of the day we loved the demo so much as you tend to with with that so raw but but there are lists. There's tiny little moments where i fade in her guitar. Just for a second just to kind of like give it a bit of extra space. I want to barbeque has honestly my products song right accomplishment like if you just give a call it would be done to barbara one of my songs. I'll have people exactly a home. Depot recently put out the special ep. And it's fucking awesome like it's so so good and so so cool like things. One of the things that immediately grabbed me was just like i miss drums. Like that I missed like miss drums like that. I missed vocals with that energy. Like i grew up listening to pop punk specifically paramour. I feel so much of that energy. In that i listened to of riot yesterday on my on my of it the music store and that was just like i would recommend anyone who was into pair more as a teenager and hasn't listened to oliver pyatt recently say recommend riots. Special double feature right yeah. I'm i'm working my way through paramore's entire discography bennett started with ryan good iconic but yeah no. I feel the same way. It's actually. it's funny. Because the reason that i actually started. I grew up on that kind of music as well. I grew up in like all time. Low and like mayday parade and all that kind of stuff. Boys like girls to thousands like pop punk stuff like right. Yeah i grew up in. I always loved the singer songwriter. Focus stuff. But i also like loved that kind of music so much and i was trying to figure out a way to like mix those two things together and the thing that always was that connector was drums for me like i was always the energy of percussion that changed a song from being like the slow foki like country something to like big energy live production kind of like show and so that was like the one thing. And that's why i literally. I only play with the drummer and dane read. And he's the writer on basically every song released the producer on basically my best friend and then it just because that's genuinely like i feel like the heartbeat of any band in any song that is like the coolest parts may so percussion in like drums are so important so i'm glad that you feel that way because that's honestly my priority. Every time we right is like making sure that the energy in that part is locked in and then adding all the other stuff but yeah. It's it's really fun. I'm just having a good time. I think totally sets it in in that world. And i think especially with this sort of pop punk reemergence. I don't. it's not surprising to me that that some of the best records in the two thousand twenty one version of the genre are being produced or worked on by travis barker john feldmann and people who come from that background for sure exactly how to dial in specifically the drums to fit in that style. So you have like machine gun. Kelly or young blow somebody who are fitting in that genre. Because they're pulling from actual legends in that. They literally have travis barker. When you literally have travis barker on your record like it's going to sound as pop punk as it ever possibly one hundred i is that it's not necessarily exclusive obviously jungle mun right and charles barker the this sort of broader strokes. Is that like you're working with somebody who knows that like no specifically where to put that drum fill to make it sound pop punk records and i think the other thing is the reason i work so much with. Dana is because he grew up playing in those kind of like his whole life when he since he was fourteen years old. He was drumming in those bands. So he was like in it. And i think that's the one distinction between a lot of the music. That's coming out now and a lot of the ones that like we grew up on is not that. It's better or worse. But i just think that there's like this different understanding of like the actual Punky of it. That's already in like dirty and like is a grunge and it's not per like i feel like people coming out going into this like music right now. People are really used to super super like slick. tropical kind of like really edited. Sounds and making it. Sound super radio ready in like you want it to sound really good and i think that day i work so well together because both of us like like it. Better when it's kind of dozen you now and there's like this perfect. Mix the he finds so well. That's like this gritty ness of it but the quality is still good but it's kind of like is demo but like you could also maybe put it on the radio now. It's me and that's what. I think so interesting about like bands like paramore even like i loved. Say anything growing up yeah Like say say anything even like. Yeah coating campbell that all that lincoln park all that stuff. But you realize is that like. It's it's gritty. There is like elements of like you know improv. And a sort of like sloppiness in the approach right but every element is so clean like they you know like i think that a lot of pop production approaches things with the level of polish. And it's just like yeah okay. Here's the idea. How do we polish it. The idea that's more interesting is like well. Here's here's the version had fuck it up a little bit. How do we make it like a little bit more gritty absolutely. That's what made those those bands at the time. so great. Was that like you didn't have a hair out of place in a paramour record. He'll sound sounded like it was made in a garage. Exactly perfect yeah even lyrically. It's so funny because like so many of the songs like you listen to them lyrically and it's like there. It doesn't sound like they're trying hard. They're not like going out of their way to be like i'm imo and i'm like doing this and i'm doing this. I'm like cool. So many of them are just like i don't know it just sounds supernatural in. It's not like a try hard like trying to be this thing. They're just like doing it. And there isn't every single song ends with deny you know what i mean like. It's like literally dislike the same thing but it's so cool in it's just like the energy in it says you can tell it's fun and you can feel it. That's like the most important thing to me. is that leg. It just translates and however i don't know it's been really fun. That's like the thing that we've been working on. The most is just trying to figure out that perfect mix of like quality but also just like making sure it sounds we want it to sound like. I made it in a garage. I want we made it in a room. We made like basically everyone those songs in a bedroom like fucking around on like tarzan like him playing live for most of them so we wanted to sound like we're just like making it at home and it's not like this fifty thousand dollar thing because it's not you know when i think that's really. That's i think what's really exciting is as i was kind of presence. English listening to a record like riot. Is that when a lot of that. Music was being made like. It was still in the era of music production and music technology where you kind of needed the big studio and the fancy. Mike's and the the major label producer to kind of rain in those sounds and dial in the record so it sound super pop and polished and without that barrier. French doesn't exist anymore. We can make records that sound about as good as major label pop punk releases from ten fifteen years ago completely in the box. Now just the hell even many drums sound. Even even many drums are at a point for like if you program them well and you dial on the sonics well that like it gets ninety percent of the way there and i and i i completely agree. I feel like we're almost at a place where you can spend a hundred dollars and make something sound like a song on the radio so like i feel like a lot of people can do that not saying that it's easy but you're like you're able to you know what i mean thou out there and so i feel like now it's almost harder to like big things sound good but have that kind of edge to them. It's almost harder to find that medium so it's like yeah when when everyone can sound. Yeah i wished. And then then it puts the onus on originality and on imperfection and and yeah on how well you can balance like the decisions you make. Yeah like like. If you are going gritty making sure that it's for a reason i was under a friend is just like starting his journey on like making his first record and he said something along the lines of you know like Y you know. I'm really making this like in my home studio. So i can't do this. That and the other thing like no no like. Where do you think these records are being made. The are either being made in home studios or they're going to a studio for like the instagram look and putting their laptop on michelle seven and recording into the smb. Anyway long long and short of it. So so i was like yeah. I feel like if we can tell people. The barrier frenchie is not there will not it's not financial and it's and it's skill based. Yeah yeah many comes down to originality. Yeah and also like dana in always makes jokes because he spent like so much money on like all this stuff all these effects for me to record vocals on all these plug ins in all this. Stephanie spends the money to make stuff sound good for everyone who records there and it always cracks me up because he's always like i do all of that stuff to make it sound really cool but then we always end up recording vocals into an sm seven sitting on the couch. You know what. I mean these athletes so it is. It is super funny. Because i'm like if it sounds to clean. I'm like you know this microphone. Sounds too good. I don't wanna do what's funny for some songs like the studio recording from performance standpoint doesn't sound great because especially for newer artists. It's intimidating to be in the studio. I think when you're recording when you're when you're recording like at home you're like relaxed and you can think about whatever and you can try like a bunch of takes and and stuff. But i remember. Yeah the first time we recorded our record and we went to the studio. I couldn't stop thinking about how. Oh well if i fuck up that take. We're getting that took five minutes and five minutes and we're paying a hundred dollars an hour or whatever i mean right. That's what it says. Uptake was ten dollars. Like miss me with that and even just especially. I'm thinking back to that. When we were recording increases in like even just being a vocalist in a booth. i've always. I've had to do it a couple times. And that's the word it's the worst i literally get in my head. There's something about being on the other side of the glass and having someone talk talk back and i have. I have a degree in engineering. Like i know what it's like to be on the other side of the glass and even having that the ability to have that empathetic perspective. It really alienating. It's still really difficult to get in your head and feel like you're isolated. My the only way likes record vocals at my desk. Just like sitting down with us and seven is like no trying a bunch of takes and i get up and get a glass of water during me and it's like four of the songs that are on that ep. I think those are demo vocals. Because i would record them and we would be like. I don't know the first one to sounds like we just wrote the song and we still trying to figure it out and it was like still emotional and then when i try to record vocals on trying to sing well and i'm like you know what i mean instead of just being like we're gonna redo it. It doesn't matter so like even like special and stuff like most of those songs were the first day when we wrote the song. Because we're gonna ross to. That's when like you're the most in touch with of the song when the song has just like you know brutally poured out of you and you're recording it with that like that heart and that sentiment you know like i'd rather punch in one or two words or you know one or two lines than completely retract. Yeah that's mentioned that you feel more comfortable when you're like. This is a scratch vocal whenever somebody goes whenever somebody goes to record a demo with us. They're like this is a scratch vocal right and we're like yeah yeah exactly with a wing with a wing because we know that if they come at it with like you know no pressure that could be the final version. Yeah yeah it's all just a mental a mental game. I think one of the things. I learned when we interviewed lido being producers and by making the song being a producer is about getting the artist. Be comfortable with the song and so it's our job is to get the person to be in the head space the best farmers sometimes. That's taking a walk and sometimes that's just not telling them everything. Yeah right you know to get the get a low pressure performance. No absolutely i. I completely agree. It's like it's Knowing like almost what you wanted to sound like a not because even when i'm working with people in their dislike. Hey i know this sounds really weird but like say it in a british accent so we can put it in the back. And i'm like that's stupid. Not do and then i do it and i'm like help you just like think of that and knowing it's going to get the exact like tone in things that you like. It's just so crazy but yet it's one hundred percent is so cool. I think that stuff is so sick. I like wish. I did more of it but i can record my own vocals Make like shitty tracks. But but i. I think you're a good. I think you're good producer in the sense that you do know what you want like. Yeah what's interesting about like we both get a production credit but like no sits at the right and when when we first started out i always consider that knows really good at like the modern production of sound design and putting together as really good like the involvement of like trying to get the idea out of an artist and trying to sort of see the broadish sign of of the song. And now i'm trying to get better at the knows a lot better at the arc. The yeah i think the reason. I've always valued our partnership. Is that like even. Even you are the kind of person who can be micro and macro. You can never be both at the same time so having another person who who's like. Hey i'm just going to be the zoomed out perspective on this record while you're zoomed in perspective to speed the process up ultimate like it lot. It's a good division of labor to be like okay. I'm just gonna. I'm gonna be in the weeds. I'm going to see the trees so that you can see. Yes that's the thing is is like there are probably people listening who are like well. Because i'm not good in logic. I can't be a good producer and i'm like logic didn't exist back when there were great producers. You know like their george martin didn't have logic you know like there at the at the end of the day like a producer is as somebody who has a clear idea of what they want their songs to be which i strongly feel like you do and and you know like despite not necessarily being at the daw you are producer. Yeah i i think i think i think people yeah. People don't think about even just saying oh. There needs to be guitar here instead of a piano. Like that is a production decision. Right and i think as the artist it's like i always see it as i'm like i mean i automatically see everything alive show in as performing the song live. That's like how i write everything. Honestly i imagine. I close my eyes literally imagined myself on stage. I'm like what would i want to happen next. And what would people respond to well. That happened next in. That's like how i feel. Like i write everything in so especially for that reason. It's like no one knows how. I want the show to feel more than me and how i want it to sound and i'm the only one since it's literally me and one other person on stage in those moments i'm like i want to be excited for everything that happens in the song. I want people to be excited about it and nobody is my responsibility. You know what. I mean so at a certain point. It's like i feel like. I have such a good idea of obviously what i want people to be feeling in those moments in hearing in all of it as combination. And that's why. I feel like i'm able to kind of give help pointers on that. But it's also cool because the only other person stages usually dana and he's the drummer and so we both are like okay. This is the show. This is the thing we're going for and so we both have a really clear idea of the whole picture which is just so helpful. Because i think it's it's like the perfect like making a record as a band or whatever like you know how people respond and you are on stage and you feel it and it's not just trying to like fingers crossed that like it's going to translate well you know it's you being like okay like this is the energy that we're trying to create. This is the space and the night in the show. Were trying to make happen like let's create it sonically in yet. So it's it's just been super super cool. I'm pumped every time i talk about. I guess i again. I think that like. I'll know that the pandemic's over when we can see alive charlotte sounds shell my daily. I remember looking forward to that like so so much But i was also. I was talking to know about this this morning. That like i think that developed artists learns discernment like i think developed. Artists learns a taste for their project in every aspect. Like if you're an artist it's not just that you know what your your voice sounds like. It's like you know what you are song. sound like. yeah you know what you're visuals. Look like you know your social media is like you know all of that stuff so like even if you have a publicist even if you have a social media manager even if you have a photographer or a songwriter producer if you are involved in those processes you are those things as well. So i i think just like a director like obviously a director of film is the director of the film but like what autour theory was was that yet but the director is also working alongside their cinematographer the also working alongside their audio post production person so the the director even if they've never touched in audio post processing software before in their life they are as legitimate of sound designer as i am in that moment right because it's their project but i think that you know i think a lot of producers i know and i think they're not great producers will fight with artists and i'm like when you're fighting with your co-producer you're the person who's getting the song and you and your and your positing that you're right you're right simply by virtue of the fact that you're in the chair an honestly all my love to him to busby who's obviously dislike so incredible and Just such a legend. But i are. We did like a pitch meeting like pop pitch meetings in nashville once. He was there and he was talking. is just so wise in was sharing his son like wisdom with all of us in one of the things he said was he was like i remember being in the room writing with florida georgia line and they came in with the idea holy and i was like in. He was like no. We're not doing that almost shot. The song down was like. I'm not interested in then either tyler or whoever was like well it stands for like high on loving you and he was like oh shit. That's incredible and they wrote the song in like the biggest song it was like number one for so long and he was like never ever assumed that. You're the smartest person rumor that you're right. He's like you're never. It's like the worst thing you could possibly do to halt like a song or anyone. Creativity is just assume that you know better than somebody else in the room. No matter who you are no matter what you've awards you have her streams or anything he's like just never assume that you are right like and you're better than anyone else in the room and i think that's so important because it's like Yeah i think the second you do that you like literally are shutting off. Collaboration like halting any chance of having like a collaborative energy unlike space. So your always. Even when i'm like no even doesn't artists. I mean like i definitely feel like i'm pushy and i know what i wanna do you. Would you earned by artists. Yeah and i feel like i can be pushing and be like. I wouldn't say that i wouldn't. That's not something i would say. That's not how i feel and that doesn't feel authentic to me. But i always always been so many times arrived like thought somebody on something and then like a week later. I've listened to the song. I've been like i was wrong. You know what i mean. I'm a a headed new yorker. Like i more often than not have been right instead of happy And i think what's interesting. Is that because we started as artists. I you know developed the. Oh i know what's right in a song like like i know what's unique. I know it's special. Whatever and i really got like handed humble pie when when we first started diving into the songwriting stuff because my second session was when we got to l. a. An amelia actually visited us and we spent the day. I kept just trying to write this song. Four amelia as opposed to writing the song with amelia and. I'm writing for somebody. Who knows her sound and knows herself so without a shadow of doubt that the fact that i tried to impose a song on her i mean i didn't know i just i just got into songwriting like and she issues like so gracious. No point actually called me on it but in reflecting on the session. I'm like she had great ideas. And i just wasn't listening and we'll that happens. I feel like so often with me as an artist and people like going into sessions with me. You obviously going into session so many strangers people never for especially because a quarantine and like all this. I wouldn't be able to be on zoom so much with people from all over the world and that's so wonderful and like such a silver lining but it is so funny that people evil in listen to music and listen to like four songs of mine than than come into the session and so often think that they like have such a clear idea of either. What i wanna do or like what. I'm trying to say in any sense. And obviously i'm grateful for anybody who wants to work me and that's just a compliment in itself and i'm just it's a privilege but Yeah it's always so funny. Because i think that i think we change every day and i think all of us do and it's so easy for people to like put you in like this one category and i'm like if i put out four songs that are high energy in like i hate people. I'm mad at my ex boyfriend or whatever people automatically officer will come into the room being like this is your thing and but at that time. I'm gonna mood where i'm like. I think i'm in love. You know what. I mean like right. We're all just so chain like changing constantly and it's like it's Honestly one of the biggest skills of like a good writer is being able to just like find out find things that people are saying throughout like they're honest conversations instead of trying to like actually force ideas are like trying to make things cool. It's like the coolest things that the things that originally don't seem that cool honestly live and they seem like casual but always end up being like my favorite songs. Because they're honest you know i. I have a funny story. That i don't even think of told you you know you're out by this point but like in that in that vein a couple months into being la. I met violet and booked a session with sarah. Write a song for trans violet. And i was a big fan of trans violets but a lot of the songs that i heard. Were very kind of like sexy or like like you know talked about like sex. Pretty candidly and whatnot. So i didn't want to be like unprepared for the session. So they were said before she came. I actually wrote a song about like. I think it was about like having sex on the couch or something i wrote i wrote. I'm like oh. Yeah i know i know. They're they're pallet. Like i'm gonna write lay. So she's like sushi at any point is like oh do you have anything i'm like. Oh actually this song about having sex on the couch and she comes in and like the first thing that she said she's like. I'm like house eventually. You know it's been so tough. Like i'll go into these sessions and these guys have like these songs about like sex prepared. Saw the page out of my good those guys. I'm like that's not how songwriters so fucked up to my god so many times. I don't even think. I told sarah this like i hope she's listed as i. Was that the long shot. It was long shot session. That's okay yeah. I guess charlotte for for context. The song they ended up writing is the most beautiful ballads. Like it's the most beautiful heart felt like like just like down to earth like just like simple lake elegant song about like about choosing choosing music over over away and struggling with that decision. And it's one of my favorite songs that i've ever even been a part of my mind sue but yeah it could very easily have been like i want. Wanna write about well. I have a song. That's amazing. I love the thing is i think i'd just like blocked from memory because of how on the knows it right. He's like yeah like the here are songs and they just think like we want to write about sex. I'm just like crazy. I would never get she. She's like she's like what would you say about a year. Turn all nothing. Mike grocery lists grocery list. Dad you know. Do you have your favorite song on the specialty p. And if so. You have a favorite lyric other than dress. 'cause i want to. I want to actually address dress. Want advice dress. I love it i. That's so hard. So one of my favorite songs i think ever is dream about you. I feel like that song. It's fell out of like me as a person and it was just like felt. It feels like a journal. Entry in every single like worden mark in. That song is true and like happened. Veasley that day and It's basically about like the day. I woke up next to somebody who wasn't my ex-boyfriend and realized that i wasn't that i was like finally kind of like over him and even though i broke up with him and i still like that feeling of being like wait. I'm like next to somebody and actually like being here. That's weird. I feel guilty but also you're like relieved you know it's like that whole mixed emotion kind of thing and so i'm a psychopath. I was in that bed. And i remember leaving in walking out of the room into His apartment and i recorded lay in bed with somebody else. Hoping if my head's owners jazz pseudo keep my mind off you. And i literally recorded that and then that's good. I like recorded random stuff. And i was like. I didn't know you'd still be a basketball. My dresses on the floor of his bed from lien on his justin. Look online of what you money slaves holding i just pre will come to. I don't want him to scared that i did to. You never guessed. While i'm getting less with my dress on the floor of his bedroom it was like all just like details of like me literally like waking up and then basically going to the session with in megan redmond who's incredible and i felt it was just like it fell out. It felt like i was just like right like reading stuff that was like in. My diary was like one of those songs that the first time i did it live. I was like this field. So i was just so happy about it. So that is like probably one of my favorites in Is just such like an actual mark in like my life was like how i was at that time. Those always feel special but special. A i think another lyric that i love would be the song special iro. A guy is about a few different guys that i was. I kind of dated a few different people who would love to hang out with me and be like not to have like. They love to hang on me. They would like wanna hang out with me. Hook up with me but then it a second would be like we should perfect together all this stuff. But then i'd be like. Are we boyfriend and girlfriend. They'd be like no no no. Don't be silly now. Where'd you get that idea. And i'm like i literally just went to thanksgiving with your family. What are you talking about crazy. Doppler and the always funny because the third time. I didn't even realize this is a trend until it happens me one time like this was a year ago or whatever and i remember. It was after conversation of him saying they didn't want to date me six exotic. It was after that conversation and he was like you're so special and he said that to me he was like. But you're so special. And i remember literally for some reason remembering i was like i think every single one of the guys that said that like that word has been like a no. I don't want to get you. You're so special. And i got my car cried. And then recorded voice memo. That was like if i'm so special. Like how like. How is it so easy for you to let go and basically it was just like the concept of mean special but not wanting it is like so interested into my favorite lyric from specifically not trying to offend. Anybody is about iberia girlfriend. If i went to church. Extend into only because living in nashville tennessee island. So many guys who i loved i feel like i'm a spiritual person you know and i feel like i have like a lot of different relationships with different religions but it was always a huge thing that would happen in every relationship that would get this turning point where they would all be like. I can't wait until you like. Start coming to church with me and like pushing religion and stuff on me and so. I always made the joke that i was like. I think would be dating all those guys. If i like doing and they would actually want to hang out with me. Whatever so it was just hilarious and i feel like that was the lyric that kind of just like was supposed to be a joke at first and i was like actually. That's like super honest and genuine way. So why not keep it in their cracks me up because it's like such a dig at like such civic so and want them to know about them you for some reason i think being here even for like the last four years i. It's obviously gotten it's changed. National has changed so much. When i was heroes definitely more just like very country in very mostly country music in countries like i was in country sessions and i still do them sometimes. I love country music. But it was so i was so weird you know when i was here like i dunno like blue hair and dislike. I just kind of stuck out. Which is like obviously. I don't pay attention because look at me but it was just always so funny because people a date me and then be like they would think that i was the artsy or your cooler. Whatever and then like one weekend be like. I can't wait free to like change. Intellect person or like this idea this concept for you and i'm like wait. I don't understand like this is so confusing but it was always just like battle between those in those relationships of meeting like. Hey i respect whatever you wanna do believe in cool but then they would always be like me too but one day you will the leave so struggle but you know it's just a different form of transportation. We're all getting to the same place you know. It's my mindset Speaking of toxic. Cultural values and breaking conformity. We both love your song dress length you. Oh yeah that segue phenomenal segue. we're we're we're sixty episodes. We don't fuck around with our segue not in war which incidentally is actually also the the motto and slogan for segue. I would say wait. I i would one. That was it. No thank you so much. That's so nice. I think the reason it really resonates with us Other than the fact that we just absolutely adore harry styles and his vote cover is Is because like i think that known. I both grew up in high school fucking brutal like in cultures where being a somewhat effeminate or not just like hyper masculine guy led to us being called very mean name and like your are bullied or you know just not having us feel comfortable with the things that we liked you know that level of toxic masculinity like. I don't know who i would be. Or what i would look like are just like if i knew when i was younger that i could dress however i wanted were forced on you. Yeah philly dresses are awesome. And you know and i and i honestly genuinely think that. I'm not brave enough as a person to to have that conversation with myself let alone with culture or lay with people saw the fact that you write about like a guy wearing just to a party but writing about him with these very masculine. Sexy adjectives is really powerful. And i i feel like that's like a a message that resonated with us resonate with people who are just trying to express themselves where whatever the fuck they want. Thank you so much. I'm so glad. Because i mean we truly worked really hard on trying to make. It seem like not that it's not. It should be normal. You know what i mean but try to make the song sound so casual in the sense where like like i've had so many people come up to me and say like i didn't even look. I didn't really get it until you said the word. I love the way you wear that dress. You said you were talking about a guy because they thought it was just going to be like a normal. They'd had no idea what was coming. You know but at it's like. I love the fact that people didn't feel like off the bat. It was me being like men in dresses is except bull in society and it's not like gender norms if literally does me like talking about thinking guy is hot in the happens. You're wearing address. And that makes them more hot because he's confident in himself and he doesn't like doing whatever the fuck you want and doesn't care about people judging him in any way and like i didn't know you were talking about a guy until the second chorus guy that's awesome. That's like honestly was like my hope. Was i almost wanted to pull people in to a point where they liked the song no matter who you are. They liked the song before they even felt like. I was pushing an idea or an opinion on them and they like because that's how people i feel like. Change their mindset. Is they lego. It's not you forcing them to feel a certain way or or say that they're bad or wrong for feeling a certain way. It's you being like. This is really casual in like you see. What do you like the song. And it's about him just doing what he wants like. It doesn't really a big deal. Let's all about you know. And so i wanted it to feel like i was just singing about a guy that i had a crush on. It wasn't a big deal in. It's not me trying to like have a political discussion. It was just me saying. I respect the fact that he feels comfortable in whatever he wants to wear and also i just wanted to feel like it was representing people who are so often like not represented in pop songs in especially pop songs. I feel like by females Women i feel like we so often. It's like when you described someone that you're attracted to. It's like ripped jeans baggy shirt like you know what i mean on the phone so i feel like it just misses a huge group of people when you're talking about that because they're like oh attractiveness is slicked back hair like leather jacket. This this this and you're like everyone can love the song and then here that and be like a. I mean it's not really what i of songs about the lanky. Scruffy string bean. Boys you know and i feel like i you know i. I needed that growing up. You know like but yeah i. I think it's really special song was it was it. Harry style inspired. Yeah so it is kinda funny. Because i actually had a conversation with dana in like a few like maybe a week before that session because we were cracking up because he was like your type has changed so much. Since we've been friends over the last three years. I used to date guys who were like super aggressive and we're just like i'm a masculine man. Let me provide you with like the fact that i want to punch someone in the face because they made eye contact with me. I can pick you up. Yeah literally and he was like pick things up and put them down like good for you he. It was so funny. Because i would date all these guys were like had felt like they had to prove their masculinity to me in i would be like. Wow that's so hard he's confiding you know and i would just like that was in. My head was what. I was interested in Shame on me benghazi Anymore but at the scene. It's so funny. Because over last few years i've been like completely just like the opposite of the fact that i might version of confidence changed from think of someone who's confident to get into a physical altercation with a stranger into someone who's confident enough to like walk away from those situations as vets. Where live there authentic life with or without judgment of like enoch carrying about people's opinions that donald think there's anything more attractive to me in the world in like friends and relationships than somebody who has genuinely like i'm gonna do me and i don't really care how you feel about it as long as i'm not like disrespected anybody hurting anybody. Like i'm gonna do what i want and i love that energy and yes. It's changed from guys. While i was like those the complete opposite. Now i'm like. I don't think i'm going to date a guy lizzy paint his nails but but no endangerment was just cracking up about it and he was like. He made a comment about the whole dressing in he like. You're going from this to dresses. And i was like i can help it. But and then we're talking about how harry s styles had that cover. And then which i was like. This is incredible like he looks great. It's so cool. There's been so many men who have done that in history kind of like challenge gender norms in like fashion in that sense like david bowie freddie mercury and all these people have been doing this for years. But it's still super cool to have somebody who is such a big public figure and who's fan base is like majority like women and feel like that's like that's super brave for him to do that and feel confident doing that. And just like not care. And i remember seeing the whole Covering house like this is awesome. Okay cool but then. I remember seeing the candace owens like response to it and i was like how is this. How why do you care like it's night who is just so ridiculous to why is this. The downfall of civilization she literally says is the right. it's indicative of the decay of of western civilization down. It was absolutely ridiculous. Jesus christ fucking moral panic every time anybody tries to breslin selves. Yeah and that's what was so interesting to me about the whole thing. It wasn't even him doing it. I was like that's amazing. I support you in. Like i love him even more but it was just the fact that people were so bothered by it. And it's like fucking fabric ryan when it comes out and it's just so it's just crazy because i was like i can't believe this is actually like a discussion still obviously. I'm so aware that people still do feel like they're they can't like where they want and all that stuff and i know it's still an issue obviously important in not trying to make it seem like it's not but it just is so ridiculous it sometimes i remember. That's like still just such a good so offensive to some people because they wanna wear like different amount of fabric. And it's just whatever. It's hilarious me. But i remember reading that. And that's when we kind of wrote Are kinda came up with the idea of being like. I love the way. We're that drastic making everyone upset. Yeah and just like the idea of like everyone being pissed like this guy being in a bar him wearing address and everyone like rolling their eyes and being like. What a weirdo on me. Being like. that's my baby. Because that's truly like the coolest thing that energy of like not carrying just like living. Your truest life is like that's it. That's like that's the most attractive thing in coolest thing for everybody in like what. I want everyone to feel that way. Like i truly my goal in like even my music is for people to feel represented unlike respected in like celebrated and like an have like i feel like my favorite bands and favorite even young blood and stuff like i love him so much because he likes celebrates people's differences so well in his music he like make a celebration of the things that so often in our society are the things that we're taught to hide and i think that's so beautiful and i'm like my only goal is to make people feel the same way that like that stuff does and i just want. I don't know i think that everyone. I think our society would so much stronger and more colorful and powerful in every aspect. If people just did what they wanted to in the sense of like living the life that they wanted like the fact that she thought that we would have a weaker society if people were more colorful in like more authentic and i just completely disagree. I think the more people feel confident in who they are and feel proud to show that off the stronger. Every single person would be in the stronger our country in our world Yeah it's so the whole concept of it is crazy to me. But i just yeah had gone forever about my thing. I've always said my whole life and like my one belief thing. My one belief system is like i respect your opinion as long as it doesn't disrespect somebody else's existence standard overall is because it's like that does not disrespect anybody. You know what i mean. It's just self expression it's just like now like doing something that makes you happy in like the ability to look in the mirror and be like i like this. I look good also. There are so many more options in women's fashion and there's so much more closed until much more you can do with it so it's like to be a man and to have to only wear like you have like two items of clothing. That your yeah. It's pants and shirts. And i'm like no wonder like art and i just know other people so often that talk about how they've always just wanted to shop in the women's sections of things because there's just like more options in it's more colorful there's more styles of things in they just don't really have that option and they don't feel like they're able to do that and yes images doesn't affect anybody and that's what it comes down to his arm leg. I just feel like everyone should do what they want. If it doesn't affect or disrespect somebody else's existence like let people be who they wanna be an get over it like it does not affect you and i don't know. Yeah that's that's where. I stand on that lonely. Moral qualm quandary. Is just make sure that the dress is made from sustainable and fair labor absolutely like i my moral qualms with a with a guy wearing address. Is that fast fashion ecosystem. Yup the dress merch. Sweatshirts are one hundred percent reusable recycled fabrics. Love that you say trust however the fuck you on them so pausing the podcast to remind you that we have patriot that you can subscribe to if you want to support the show if you're enjoying this episode but you're thinking that you've got a burning question for an artist or you just want to talk with us or maybe you just want mug with. Our faces are patriots. The way to go so go to patriot dot com slash talking wind to subscribe now back to the show. You were saying last time we chatted that there is like a really beautiful tiktok reaction video. I like crying your time. I think about it Basically i got tagged in this video on tiktok and it was this couple And they she was playing this the song dressed for her boyfriend for like a blind reaction. And it's funny because the pre chorus of the song is like you're so masculine. And it's saying all these words that like it's like lifts cherry cola masculine call and then back and forth between things that are kind of more feminine to masculine and all this stuff and he was listening to in his reaction during the pre courses. Like what are you showing me. Why are you claiming long. Like what is this. I hate this. You know and the chorus drops and it says an alternate style of the way you wear this dress and he just looks at her cry. He looks at her and just starts like like so happy and it was like i said for like forty five minutes because watching somebody like have a sense of relief to the fact that their partner is just like accepting of them and showing them through maya song. Turn up the craziest thing ever because like you could visibly see. I don't ever get like visibly watch. People listen to my song for the first time the reaction is you know what i mean especially with shows not happening. I don't get this. Have those interactions. So seeing a video where i could see somebody here. This song for the first time visibly see them feel good because of the just happy start smiling and laughing unlike all my god like was the coolest thing that's ever happened to me and i'm just forever grateful for things like that and like those people who listen to that songs in the fact that people like in feel like i did them justice you know It was just so cool. I will never get over it. I watch it all the time. Every that i think people don't realize the responsibility that we all have obviously artists can do it at scale but like we all have the responsibility to give each other permission to be ourselves the more accepting and the more we express how accepting we are the more we give people the more other people feel comfortable to be able to express themselves and that has domino effect that can inspire other people and inspire other people like we the moment that we close ourselves off from nasr moment that we closed that entire chain-reaction So i think that you know like the the person in the tiktok video then you know then that reaction can inspire somebody else who watches. It could be a ripple effect of acceptance and empathy like we. But you know even on your day to day like just just telling somebody like that that what they're wearing is cool. Yeah like the more we can just show acceptance show compassion like it doesn't cost us anything. Yeah it's like that know like the candle metaphor that it's like no matter how candles you light from your candle. They never run out of the smaller. Yeah in an art and creativity in positively or like that the more the more you you get just give out good energy and also yeah like make would so impressive to me about dress is that it manages to accomplish as sort of cultural and like borderline political goal wall. Yeah not hitting over the head with it and just be an like an accessible piece of music that is just like enjoyable and just like get stuck in your head like that's stuck in my head. All the time that is that is the best possible vessel for positive social change. I think the thing that exists the biggest compliment ever. I want people who don't agree with the song to want to listen to it and the tomorrow. That's the moral panic of having song stuck in your head like you. Philosophically might not agree with. Then you imagine hearing that song and like being like Men can't wear dresses being like shit as long as good. I want to listen to it. So we're going to change the world. Are you guys on tiktok night song. The important now. That song has been stuck in my head for like three weeks. I wake up. And i'm like number three royale honest. If that's been happening to me too now. That i think about it. yeah apropos. nothing. I used to go sailing my dad and when i would go like when i try to sleep the night after like i'd feel like my bed was like rocking and i've been recently playing like pirate video game that like where you are like on a pirate ship in the water and last night tried to go to sleep in. My bed was rocking way. Like i was like. I just tend generally related to having the like some of the internet. Just like fucking with your brain sticks with you ask really interesting it just any video games when you play it for long enough. You start. Just dreams dreams. When i got really into chess absolutely i had was lived in sims. And i couldn't get out the beginning of corn downloaded sims and basically created my entire life on sims. Because i thought we were going to be out of your in like three weeks. So i was like. I'm gonna download sims to do this for a while. And i had actually night terrors that i got stuck in the game and like was living my sims life with all the people. I created that i like hated. It was awful. It was the worst thing that's ever happened. I'll never play again. I deleted meter at a dream that i rear ended john feldmann feldman. Because you hit my car. Produced your paul. God then you wake up here like and then we watch the movies and i had a dream that i was being saved by john. Lick the last time we chatted though. You said you'd recently from the street team house. All that all my god i i love you like a hundred. Strong right like yeah. It's like crazy people. And it's really the coolest part is that it's literally ages fifteen to thirty and they're all in one group chat and they've also gone off and made like group chats on every other social platforms. So i i literally. I talked to them every single day and they've become great friends of mine. We do like zoom parties. All the time i got a foster puppy This week and we like are planning zoom for them to like meet the foster dog and all that stuff and it's just been super cool. It's like basically just like automatically got like a hundred new friends and They just been helping with like promo and come up with ideas for like social media in that kind of stuff which is so helpful especially being me being twenty four and then having like sixteen year olds were like this is trending right now. You should do this. And i'm like what is trending man algorithm. And they're over here being like if you post this at this time doing this tag these free things that i'm like. I don't know what i did before you. But they're incredible and it's so cool because it's it's so positive it's like a hundred people that are that all follow each other now on social media comment on all of each other's posts like are literally so supportive. I'm like if i had this. When i was that age i would be a completely different burgers honestly like in so many ways in. It's just so cool that such young like teenagers are so positive in so smart and like just so aware of like the world in are talking about south their state's budget for education. And i'm like your teen years old. Like i will not at sixteen years old. He it gives me hope for the future. We have a discord and we've been talking to fans and friends and stuff. I just been so nice just like see smart positive people not like i feel so cynical about the world and i wake up. I like i wake up angry now. That's just how i wake up like and it's a lot. I feel like the fact that younger folks and even like younger than my little brother. My brother's really cynical to but like people younger younger are like. Oh yeah like. In a couple of years we're gonna be able to vote. It's going to be gone like we're going to be able to vote and it's going to be we're going to deal with that we're just gonna fucking clean up this mess. That's fine couple years. We're gonna clean up the mess. That's the mentality of these kids mazing and they are so they like. It's just so cool. Honestly i could talk about it forever because it's like it's so cool. How they carry themselves in there just like they. They had conversations in discussions about like different things in the group that are kind of like hard discussions to have right now and they've been having them with each other and every single message. Thank you so much for sharing your opinion on this. I really appreciate you feeling safe enough for you to like speak to me about this. I know it can be really hard in our current societal climate. So thank you for doing that. And also this is my opinion. This is how i feel this way. This is my perception of life blah blah blah and. I'm like are you kidding. Me like when i when i was your age somebody would be like your shirt and i would like flip them off and be like your mom. You know what. I mean like that. I mean we knew me knew. I know it's so cool like it's so cool to be able to witness that and have them in my corner for some reason. I don't know why they're there but i'm grateful for if they're listening. Is there anything you want to shout out to them directly. I just love you so much. I truly literally talk to you. More than i talked to anyone else. So my other my friends in my real life and probably where have you been in two weeks. And i'm sorry. I have one hundred new best friends that i've been hanging out with Literally every weekend doing zoom sleepovers that also a living my best literal vast library now now. That's the one thing i think about that. I'm like the silver lining of all of this and obviously this has been such a rough year for so many people in heartbreaking so many ways. But i think that like the silver lining has been the fact that we have now realized that we can create relationships in like an actual like true way when we are so far away from people and like even with strangers in. It hasn't been really cool as even on tiktok or social media or like being able to have zoom sessions or like zoom. Hangs in all these things that have like brought us together during such a difficult time. It's the one thing that i am so grateful for that. I don't think i mean people were just like so closed. Often people still are. I think our society is were super private in different ways but then super public on socials. It's like this weird mix and it's really cool to be able to build actual relationships with people From all over the world and be able to like actually build friendships in. I don't know it's really it's really cool. I just feel really really lucky and grateful for all the relationships in cove writers and collaborators in fans and friends and everything that's happened over the last year in in such a rough one. We're on the other end of a. I love it so much. And here's my. Here's my pitch team park absolutely called sandcastle nice. Why now called the sandstorm ride it but you can know. That's incredible sans guy that speaking of incredible supporters and we don't fuck around with segues speaking of incredible supporters. And just you know people who have been engaging with the art that we've put out We've had Our patriots subscriber allen's see faithful ever. He has has some questions i ira. And he's really throws he throws a question for each personally. We talked to this. One is actually when he wants me and ask a couple of folks See so listening land. You might hear this one pop up a couple times But he wants to know. What do you think dreams are. Oh god what do you think jury. I thought this is gonna be like. What was your first car toys. The heavy version. What do you think. I think dreams are. Honestly i have a lot of different I feel like multiple things. I've used that dreams. Were like honestly different lives. Though we've unlike different experiences that we've already had like different games And some ways trying to find like a tunnel are like some type of communication through those souls in some of my john. Wick dream very excited. Were john wick and you were saving your so you know what i mean. You're in gardening. You are john wig. That's like one way. I've always looked about it. I i look. I'm a huge like energy person in the sense of like. I think that like souls are like energy in the universe and all this kind of stuff and i'm kind of weird but i've always also felt like dreams were also connected to like souls of peoples who have like passed away and even family members or like anything like that like in some sense like i dunno like messages and things like that Are just stories. you know. but i don't know. I also sometimes i'm like i'm so weird. I think i'm just like my brain is so strange that i'm also like maybe i'm just thinking too much about every page. I feel like especially in in the year. Twenty twenty one. There are so many like meta ways of thinking about saying yeah like we we are running layers layers and layers of thought and meta thought in sub thought and all that shit. You know just like that. There are times when. I don't know how i feel about things because i don't know what layer i'm interacting with of like my own consciousness and psych break. I don't yeah and you like. Hold it in your body but you don't really process it for ryan so like there are layers of stuff's i feel dreams and a lot of ways. Are the ways of like your brain saying okay billy. Pay attention to this thing to take a second really like process. I did and i cried a lot and it felt great. You know it was. It's so crazy. How like tantalizing. It is like when. I finally get like a crime. Look i don't want it to stop them. You want to ride it out so blue. Cry like really release. I think i have a hard time doing it. Because i you know. I don't know it wasn't even like a. You know a masculine thing. I think in our family. We just all tried to put on a brave face. You know because like we all right and if you cried you're wrong. You know so i get. It makes my step. Parents sound like tara knew that that was something that we like my brother and i imposed on everybody else and then he just had to follow the rule. See i got off easy. Because i was always the creative kid. 'cause my siblings are so smart in like just so successful wonderful in every way but i was always like the creative one unlike like the overly emotional one mom i remember. This is actually so crazy. I still think about this all the time. My mom when i was like eight years old said to me she was like charlotte. You are super sensitive and superficial. But that's only because when you walk into a room. Most people only feel what they feel. You walk into a room and you feel at. Everybody feels the fact that at that age and like my whole life that luckily enough to have even like a mom who was like you are a hypersensitive emotional person and okay. It's like she's like it's a super power in your own way and like the I feel so lucky that i was like that was able to have somebody who was. That's not weird and you're not crazy and you don't necessarily need there. I mean everyone needs therapy. I think yeah so. I feel like i cry all the time. I'm probably. I'm probably thinking to accept it in my life. I think all just be dinner. I'm i'm trying to open up more. That's what we're here for. We're on talking my infer for vulnerability here for 'vulnerability. Yeah talk about this kind of stuff like literally my whole life i love it every appreciate your openness about it too long. Are you ready for the question round. Oh yes fire away question questions first question. What is your first question. What is your first question questions for me. That's actually the easiest thing about. Yeah okay let's try that again for his question is what is your phone background. My phone background of a canyon. It was a picture of me and my sister. Sorry sister the love you way prettier. I've like. I really loved the color orange a lot. An i love like the desert. It really me and So i like hip I almost can't him. And i was looking. It's again and i was saying can't it all week because i've been playing a pirate video game so we go get the ballots that your background. It's a canon. You're like oh canon. Yes so i love the desert. I love kenyans. I went on a road trip during quarantine. like utah and it's just like my favorite my favorite place in my favorite thing. That's awesome. yeah do you have a nonmusical hobby. Should i remember this question. I couldn't think of anything. And i've had so long to prepare for literally started a new hobby before this i read. I mean i'm trying to like. I'm really bad because i feel like i read like three fourths into every book and it's not even the threat of rain but i always end up like just finding another book by that time that i like so then i have sony books that i read like seventy five percent of people are like. Oh you read this. And i'm like yeah and they're like. Oh you finished it. And i'm like e. Yeah of course i did. I wouldn't recommend it. I did it. But yes i definitely i read a lot. I honestly do feel like. I need to find more hobbies. That are not like music related. I really healthy for everyone to like have hobbies. That are just like kinda clear your mind from your job in like those kind of things. But i don't know. I'm really not. I mean i would say like guitar. That's music related. So that's my goal after this interview. Think of a hobby right. Oh absolutely guys. We'll do another one and with a follow up if we all got really good at ping pong. Delete this interview and you just do. This is the most one. I've had a while. You're the third time we'd attendant of you and we're just like oh yeah so cool and then and then the national and then cool roles and answer as each other since we probably would actually be. Hilarious is so funny. All right. we're back. We've now returned to the most important question and most important question. Would you be a pirate. Yes i would have higher it. Not shocking at all. Pirates are amazing. I yeah i think pirates are really cool. And i remember i remember this but like no. I think that like. I've always want be part of like i was a community but like ira community of underwear. Power can media. I really feel like their rules are so cool and i just i feel like like having random rules in like things that you have to do like if you do like is so interesting any being like if you see four yeah pirate code if you or clouds on a wednesday than like. Yeah but also yes. They were sailing superstitions or super fascinating. I'm all about it. You seem seem pirate. Ask your progressive and away to dye your hair those times. Yeah berries and tumor would think that you were like a mermaid things like thank. You probably think that you're like a mermaid turn pirate and like and made a deal. Get your legs and whatever and i want to be like the like the captain of the ship so bad and just be like. Oh god that sounds. Women were captains an bonnie so cool. You get it when talking about his own pirate community. Let's start our own pirate. Podcasts and just call it a hallway. She the best name for that. Yeah let's do it. I'm sold have a hobby of family. I'm the and then you get to say. I am the co anchor of our podcast. Oh my i'm really impressed. You can call it the sans sale or something you know just like charlotte captain of the end. Sales says the charleston is actually does sound like a pirate does. That's really cool guys. Thank you so much. Keep gas music. We're just we're just guessing you know it's all your cannons you know started cannons nice christian unless you have more to say about pirates. We could go we really. We really could start a but what was your first tattoo. If you have any touches My first tattoos were my brother. And my yeah. I have like nine or ten tattoos now. But i have my brother and my sisters birthdates roman numerals on my wrists arms. Yeah because it was the only thing that i can think of. I really wanted to tattoo for so long. And i was like i have to find something. That's like permanent and won't change like no matter what it was. The only my mom would be like cool with so. I ended up being like okay. We'll birthdays siblings. That's not gonna change. Their date of birth is not gonna to change. So i went for that. I got obsessed. And i have a guitar like random ones. I don't have like a full sleeve or anything like that. But i like love like random tattoos everywhere like i think they dislike. Look so cool and it kind of firm me. This feels like it's like a scrapbook. It's like your favorite memories highlights or random things from like different trips in like your entire life. And i feel like i wanna be like ninety nine years old and be able to be like this one time montana like this is when i got arrested in mexico. She has become this rose. I literally now. That's like the dream and so funny. What was your first concert. I i honestly don't know if it was my first one but i think it was the first time that i was like really blown away by like live. Music was bonnie raitt at the orpheum in boston My mom and so just like to go into the city with my mom. When i was like fifteen was just super cool. And then yeah she played she brought like james taylor was on stage and it was. She just has like that voice. Bonnie rates voices like probably wouldn't like my favorite voice ever and it's just like whiskey like it's like so thick. In like crazy one describing. Somebody's voices whiskey. The it's like all the only thing that i think does it. Justice is it's like. I don't know that's like it's so crazy. Like she's just like a magical person in like it's just so cool in like it was a really really really incredible. It wasn't a theater basically so it's just like such an insane experience. In that was like the time that i remember just being like absolutely like taken aback by performance in via like music as a whole in like it like i felt like different after like it was like really affected me. And so yeah. She's so cool. So shot up my mom you know. Could you recommend a movie a book and a tv. Show okay yeah. let's go. I think the last movie that i watched. What is it called. It's with jim carey and his called the truman show us. Yes and movies. Plus you know. I the sherman show. It's so funny. 'cause like people. Just i feel like i always talk at make jokes for home. Like i'm living in a simulation and i always talked about that and the truman show and for years people have been saying that. And i've always been like yeah like that and i keep a list. I'm telling you you gotta keep a list too. I really do And so yeah. And then i finally watched it. I like had to force myself to do it. Because i feel like after certain point where music or movies have this like such a bigot. Wrap that like almost scared to watch them. Because like if i don't like it then i'm like someone who doesn't like people's favorite movie ever of all time and i'm like i just don't even want to touch donna. I'm like i feel like maybe i'm past the grammy's like i don't love every song nominated or whatever but you know and that doesn't mean that like i'm against like general culture but the whole thing of art or anything is that that things are meant for people you know like the more pressure retake out of watching movies. The more we can open ourselves up like watching whatever like there are movies that i thought were terrible. I wound up loving and the movies. That i had heard were incredible. I wound up like having some major qualms with that right now. I i completely agree. And i think that's what the cool thing is about any art in general is that it's like -sposed to be a discussion and supposed to be hated in loved and like that's the best part about it is that people can all feel differently about it and have different relationships in perceptions of it you know. That's the beauty of all things that are created. I wholeheartedly agree Do you have a book an tv recommendations book. I am still reading Atomic habits we're talking about is how to get that It's so good it's like just basically about creating better habits in like how to get rid of bad habits had in create better habits in it sounds really boring unlike static but it genuinely is like super interesting about how the brain works and how what happens when you get triggered by certain things in why you react to them in like all of it and it's it's great So i think it'll help you break the habit of reading three quarters. I genuinely hope so. I really do. That's my whole goal. What if i only read three quarters of about not only That would be something i would do. Unfortunately but you know it's so good and I love it for tv shows. I'm like so typical on my tv shows. Like i'm literally. I'm the kind of person who's like what's your tv show the office. You know like. I'm like i feel like i don't have like a weird taste in that kind of stuff. I really honestly love. Tv tat's like so simple and like funny. Because i feel like especially this year. I've like really clung like two things that are just like feel good and you don't have huge frazier fan so you don't have to me of that like i for me. That was just comfort food. I would watch like just takes your mind so yeah and especially right now like sometimes it's just too much to watch movies that are like Tv shows that are heartbreaking dramatic or like this or that unlike already have enough tension in every aspect of my life. I've been watching victorious. Religiously glass gangs i. I want to rewatch montana really bad. It's the hanover. serie anniversary. Fifteen years crazy. The the thing is like what i love about sitcoms that they are designed to resolve Look i feel like so many of these shows now are trying to be like you know trying to be greedy in china be real and trying to be whatever all well and good like i love. You know jack correspond as much as the next person. But what i love about e- especially classic sitcoms but just like sitcoms that do follow sitcoms structure. Is they present a problem. They solve the problem. You get the feeling of catharsis every fucking episode mc analysis and. That's just that's nice. I wish i wish life work like right. There would be a but yeah no. Let's like new girl in the office and like things that are just like meant to cheer you up and you know no matter what there's gonna be a resolution at the end of the episode. Be all need right now. honestly Do you have a scar with the story. i have a few years. I mean i have one on my finger from when i cut off finger with a band saw because my dad is by your was the story. Those or utilise is hilarious. I do have another one on my knee This was probably six months ago. I was on a scooter because we can have scooters The birds a scooter. My friend was in front of me and she like hit. It started raining but we are only like a block away from her house so we are dislike keep going in and it was like down pouring and we saw her house and we're almost there. She went over like Some sort of bump and like breaked and i was behind her and We fell off. She ended up breaking her collarbone on a bird scooter. She's fine this months ago. She's perfectly healed in great condition Probably never gonna write a scooter again but yeah. We ended up spending like the entire day in the hospital and I have still have scars on my knees from like falling. Luckily that was all that happened to me though. I cannot complain. And then they wouldn't because of covid they wouldn't allow more than one person in the room. So i had to go. But they couldn't have food and all those kinds of things so i literally had to like sneak in like twizzlers. Legrand them such day and like so chaotic. And i will never get on the scooter ever again because every time i look at one i get like an actual energy over me. That's like don't you dare do this. Yes so be careful. Not dangerous but yet hilarious. Fiszman retail Buzzsaw story. Oh my god. Yeah absolutely I was like nine years old and my dad used to always like let me make like he always make like tables and all this stuff for work and he like built houses so i was always helping him build kind of stuff like that and he would let me like us. His shop and kind of i remember he was like. Oh you can use a shop. I was gonna make like for my sister for her birthday. And so i was looking to make a little house or something out of wood and i was going to use a ban saw and i just remember i used. It turned it m. I dislike basically cut through my entire finger. My pointer finger and i know it's like still a band which was hilarious. I might get interactions. People are like. I don't know which way you're talking about. You're saying that your mom could immediately tell you. God i so i walked. I basically held my finger together walked into the house. And i just remember being like walked into the mud room and i know my mom is in living or my sister was with her and i didn't want my mom to freak out because i was so scared that i was gonna get in trouble so i was like. I remember walking into the house in saying emma as my sister's name and i said it like this as you please come over. Could you come. Come see me for a second i'd like to. I'd like to talk to you like so calm. Like in the mud room for a second and my mom was like what is going on like. She automatically said that like the second. She heard that town she was like you're injured or you're dying or something's wrong and she likes rose up and like i ended up. Having good hospital had bunches get citizen. It was super gross but yes. She always cracks about that. Because i was like emma which might come seen me in the who like she was like that is not your voice. Lake your so weird yes so so you still. You still don't have feeling though. Yeah there's like a lot of parts of it that i don't have feeling and but sometimes it's like the worst thing ever if i hit it on anything or like if any if i like you it will. I'll get feeling back for like ten seconds and it's super weird because it will like feel like numb and then go away like it's super strange and i sometimes will will not have feelings but i promise not like it. Sounds really gross to him. Talking about it promises not surprising It's definitely a story to story. You know scholar this story this story all right. What a three thoughts you have at this very moment this very moment thoughts. I have I have to take my foster dr walk. I'm kind of dreading it because he doesn't know how to walk on a leash because he's never walked on a leash before and it's been very interesting untaxing this last week but i love him adopted dog. Let me know. I'm genuinely because it's sunny outside right now. And that makes me really happy because this weather has been And i feel like this month in nashville. Getting nice weather. Sunny weather is just an absolute blessing. I'm grateful for that. And also i I was thinking about what i wanna make for dinner. Which is i know. I said last time was that i was hungry because i remember saying i was. That's a consistent answer so that's totally fair. Foul question what are you looking forward to. honestly. I feel like the answer. Probably all artists musicians are now as shows I'm genuinely i just had my first or hersal In four hundred and twelve days. Last week so i am just overwhelmingly ecstatic for the idea. That people are getting vaccinated. People are going to be healthy in able to go to live shows in concerts and festivals in all that stuff and i couldn't be more thrilled about it i. Yeah it's been literally. I know the exact number of days. It's been since they played a show. And i think about it every single day. And it's my favorite thing in our world and yeah. I can't wait to be together and for all show together. So that's my. That's i'm looking for do well. We can't wait to see you. Live like i said you know i. It's not gonna be The end of this until we see you live and we can all hang out and right and be human beings again. So i just thank you for doing this again and and We can't we can't wait to actually visit nashville In the future actually hang out. Thank you for being here. Thank you so much for having me. These conversations are my favorite. So it's a privilege we'll do it. We'll do at number three soon. We'll just keep going out. Yeah recorded next next conversation without recording a dream. Amazing so much for having me have the best time best day home. Thank you for listening to this episode of talking lion. We'd like to thank isotope. And our patriots subscriber allen c. for their support. If you'd like to show your support ask our guests your questions. Talk to us on dischord and get a shot at the end of each episode subscribe to our patriots over at patriot dot com slash talking lion. Thank you for listening and see next time.

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B&T Extra: Fat Elvis

The BOB & TOM Show Free Podcast

19:23 min | Last month

B&T Extra: Fat Elvis

"Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. And i'll bet it can be hard work you know what's easy bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. It's geico easy. Visit geico dot com. Today that's geiko dot com welcome back. It's another bob and tom extra. This is christopher. Not only is the bob and tom show live every weekday morning. But every afternoon we'll give you a little extra in case you missed anything on the big show today. Fat elvis embezzling and floyd calls in. You'll hear that coming up right after this important programming. Message from the bob and tom television network. Are you like me. Are you tired of those stupid reality. Shows like survivor. The bachelor and big brother. Oh sure there's lots of hanky panky dragging on for weeks and weeks. I don't know about you. But i like instant gratification. That's why i came up with my own reality show. It's called all i wanna do. Is your boobs i. i'm bob kevorkian. It's the reality show that proves what everyone already knows. Guys love big boobs and women. Love cold are cash each week. I'll bring along a camera crew. As i approach busty women hanging out in shopping malls restaurants just about anywhere the best part is there's no stupid phone in voting there's no complicated text messaging and you won't have to wait till next week to see what happens because this show was all about instant gratification mine. Here's a sample from one of our upcoming shows are there. You're a very pretty lady thank you. What are all the cameras for you know. I was hoping to audition for that. Next season of survivor. You bob kevorkian. Yes i am. And i was wondering. Can i see your boobs. I'll give you fifty bucks if you take off your top. You want me to remove my blouse on national television for fifty bucks no way then. Let's make it one hundred. I can't believe you're asking me this. I am not that kinda girl. Two hundred bucks. You mean right here right now. Three hundred dollars cash. I'm so offended now. Do i get dinner and drinks. I know all. I wanna do is see your bones about five hundred dollars. I don't think i should. I'll give you eight hundred flop amount right now. Eight hundred tell you what make it a grand. I'll take off my top and cuddle with a camera crew girl and the best part of all is the networks paying for this worth every penny fellas bring in the trampoline so remember you never know where you never know when you might hear bob devoy in say only. I'm bob and tom television network. You know bob looking at your hot little buns makes me all tinguely. Forget it chick. You wanna see my boo no. I'm wearing jogging bra. Check your fires. we know what. Here's another healthy dose of bob and tom extra and we're right back in september shoulder birds. Oh massage sexual. Accident is no nope. Just lipoma shoulder on hurt yourself during sex job. Sure sure gramps charlie horse sometimes Can get a workout and certain sometimes the lady wakes up. Oh yes yes. Sometimes you get a paper. Cut counting the money joe. I love pizza by the way my dad's not here but if you want to send them some well wishes you can reach out. Get well at. Bob and tom dot com. Send an email there. He's doing great. Is that official. that's good. That's good and real quick. He did have scheduled Heart valve surgery but it was a little more extensive than they thought and they did have to replace a valve. And of course the big news today is that it was a cow. Tom now is half bovine. Is very very exciting. Was a boy cower. Girl cow boy cow is a bowl right. I don't wanna talk about this. Because i don't. I don't want to talk about this. I don't want to talk about donkeys and horses. Because i don't know anything about either topic. Does though everyone on twitter calling me an idiot for our boy. Yes i steer a boy to again. I don't steer this seattle wanna talk about. Yeah i mean there's gonna be my next life as a farmer all you know but perfect. I say now that we've announced what actually happened twice. It's lies from here on out. We're gonna make up currently in the hospital because he jammed six kidney bs. That's not true. He's in the hospital because he's going back to college. He's gonna play basketball at gonzaga university. That's that's still has the eligibility you know with his bad wing and everything Yeah did you guys know that forty four years ago. Today elvis dive was forty. Five was a forty-five he said. This has left twenty one. Seventy seven seven forty five earlier did not. I've been with any more jokes. Steer apparently is a bold. That's been Devold thank you yes. Oh poor guy. That's what my buddy. Tom's telling me. Oh really yeah so. Tom actually knows what he's talking about him. I us yes. He does my. He's my alpaca front. He raises up. Akkas some toms out there. That know what they're oh patio. Got us elvis for us. You know elvis at the tail end of his career. He did a lot of dinner theaters and stuff and was difficult on elvis to focus in front of all that food because he had such such issues to a couple of final shows. When something like this or are you a frigging finish that chicken a little bit of a. There's a song on my new record. The new album called fat elvis. Would you like to hear it on down memphis. You really have to see them. Yeah rosen and sound and his homegrown mausoleum panel have photos of him are all rockabilly. Thin shoot knows will the microphone and his and there are no pictures. A fat elvis graceland shoes a fat illness at graceland swiped ride on tinder. And now we're on a date when the lead quite politely inquires about my weight. 'cause the all f photos of me when i was thin and thirty three. She thought i'd be a younger more. Handsome man told her. There are no pictures of fat. Elvis graceland on the walls graceland. Snl recommend the rule. And you won't see them in johnson's with his belly. Overflowing the lack the image of him in my picture. Some always than foul photo was me and my high school band. There are no pictures of fat elvis and no camera shots up my flabby. Power bestowed a fat elvis. Act graceland getting the eight. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. And i'll bet it can be hard work you know what's easy bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. It's gyco easy visit. Geico dot com. Today that's geiko dot com memorial this passing away today forty four years ago. Let's say hello. Bob and tom show haven't showed you spoken to get choked up vacant bad as long as it's been you know it's to believe big day anapa blessed enough to attend to candle that vigil getting last night. It's always tend to time. But how nice this when i'm gone at rather not have has into people showing up on mount. You're looking at lloyd issues famous bridge over troubled water. Which makes sense when you consider how this right. We've had schick the games you have today. It was overthrown. But here's something to think about. People know before we dad ever stated linda tops in the county flounder. Well but shortly after he gained weight close got hooked onto lauded and failed to his death. Then linda moved on guess. Who she made bruce jenner bruce tenets hick from a great athlete to speak up and turned it to kaitlin bake it safe buffet putting your petty lacquer in linda thompson of change in have that before ever put it in no way means no something that made his kick out they would notice before but the city of memphis and stout kentucky fat chicken and across the street from just stay gold forty four years. It still can't get away from the colonel. We were so upset. We wrote glenn beck about lot today which he should about jackson hotline parker and colonel sanders very different. Was floyd on the track phone hotline. See what's what's going on over there. A former health fund manager has been accused of embezzling tens of millions of dollars and spending almost all of it at an adult website. Long according to well it was the bang brose and you wait. Rousers may be easing boss. According to the tampa bay times the former accounts manager for a nonprofit affiliated with the university of south florida medical school pleaded guilty to embezzling nearly thirteen million dollars. You can do that when it's a nonprofit fifty nine second. I put my trust in the word portions. The fifty nine year old spent almost twelve million at an adult website that allows users to subscribe subscribe to channels belonging to specific women. An investigation revealed he subscribed to a channel belonging to his stepson's fiance. Let almost seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars in profits. All so they were they were. They weren't going gotcha. The fifty nine year old faces a maximum sentence of twenty years in prison and a two hundred and fifty thousand dollar. Fine you imagine spending that much money. On a website now he also frequented the profile of another woman based in toronto paid more than twenty two thousand dollars airline tickets for her and her friends to fly to orlando where they spent at disneyworld. Forty three thousand six hundred. Sixty two bucks disneyworld. That is awesome man. He's also accused of making six hundred. Forty seven thousand dollars in payments to a limited liability company. He owned with his wife. Plus other expenditures and this guy out them spend the money. This guy's got it going on. Yeah well not anymore. No what. I enjoy prison among the many reasons. I'm not in charge of any sort of investment. Would you be embezzled tempted. What i for them. Six for me the key to embezzling. Yes a little at a time over a long. Please listen to josh. Of course and then. The father leaves his wallet on his desk. I don't take all the twenties. I take one to. The other key is to be able to pass time in prison. I think is the other. Yes thirteen million dollars. That's not. That's a hell of a nonprofit fund to my god or whatever you do i wanna tell you guys. Don't go out by anything flashy. I don't wanna see anything out here. That's going to. It's my mother's name. What what being smart with me. You being smart with me casino back take it back for goodfellas. A fifty fifty shot their quote. Goodfellas this the one. With ray liotta right and i have seen that. You have a little dreamy. Didn't yeah ray. Liotta and that movie's pretty dreamy. I in fact. I saw it on the comedy tour with a bunch of people in a room. I can't remember exactly. Who was there right now but yeah. I watched that. You're not really auto will always be joey parini to me on another world. Karen is that his wife's name. Yeah ray liotta really beat a man with a pistol in that movie. I'm not saying. I wouldn't take a pistol weapon to be in a scorsese movie but i might i in. That guy did absolutely would. Yeah shame scorsese said you can be in one of my movies and have a decent speaking role but i will do shoot you in the leg. Yeah okay both you guys could play a crooked bookie in a scorsese movie one hundred percent. I think you're a little guy in in casino who Has to face. Joe pesci lay taking her laying a fat irish brick. That's the other now. I don't think i did. Sharon stone and casino young. Yeah okay did see that. I don't remember comes close to that movie. My brother jeff agrees with you i. It's one of the finest performances of the nineties. Yeah an actress. I is that right. The characters annoying but she stage. Yeah okay. I will accept that creators of south park or buying casa benita nowhere. Yes the restaurant suburban denver that was featured on the show matt stone and trey parker sent an interview with colorado governor. Jared police they had come to an agreement with the current owners of the restaurant with a close to diners march twenty twenty and declared bankruptcy this spring. We're gonna have the gorilla guy. Apparently excited work with everybody and make it the place. We all wanna make it the lakewood restaurant which is known for its decor that includes a large indoor waterfall with cliff divers and was featured into two thousand three episode of the show also has a guy in a gorilla suit stone and parker did not offer any details about the sale which is pending bankruptcy. Anything about this restaurant. It's it's massive. When i was at school in boulder all the kids that were from denver would talk about this place. They'd go there before prom. And you're eating your meal and these divers are jumping by this waterfall and doing incredible flips and stuff. It's insane did you ever get to go. I never got to go but the south park episode about it. Apparently it's hilarious and you think oh. This is an exaggeration. No that's exactly what the restaurant is. It's wild this is really cool that they're they're saving people's jobs right absolutely. Yeah they can afford it. Of course they can and they're and they're spreading the law of you went to tony and then you help people good for you. Yeah and you gorilla suit check. You could get the nice gorilla suit diners. Nice high-quality gorilla suit. And then i would have guerrilla week. I'd i'd spend a week in the suit. I'm going gonna look into this. You might have a very special christmas at some. You know what. I actually got out. And and and took a look at was The metal detector that you is it in the backyard at one one morning talked at length. How you would always wanted one ever used it. That's okay. I never did use it but i did watch that. Show the detector second right so i got you your own. You'll eventually maybe you could have treasure in your backyard and not even kidding. Okay wait a minute. Let me take a real quick. Hi hello bob. And tom show are you doing. Are you made joe. Patchy are you all right. I kinda question for you. You're talking about chama movie. i've been in lately. Why why are you talking about me just admiring the work of you and miss well because a couple of those roles you were pretty funny real finding clown make you laugh too. I do. I make you laugh. Like a freak show. You think i'm funny. We do fine. I'll take that thanks you touch. That's for another bob and tom show extra. Catch us on itunes. Google play and stitcher for bob and tom extra. This is christopher. Take care everybody.

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ep 74: Jim Morrison is not hanging out with Elvis, the Kennedys did not kill Marilyn

So it's a show?: keeping up with the Gilmore Girls

1:01:18 hr | 1 year ago

ep 74: Jim Morrison is not hanging out with Elvis, the Kennedys did not kill Marilyn

"Hello and welcome to use. Oh May pancakes for me to keep up little libraries popular. Evans's on Gilmore Girls. I am Taylor and I am at a secret location. I am Kyla and I am with they. Secret Group of people are they the illuminated possibly maybe even the mafia who were the knights. Templar where you need to steal the declaration of saying it Taylor. You blew my boy. Our lives are so mysterious. I know what secrets are you keeping for me? What theories are out there about us? I honestly I would be truly honoured. If they were conspiracy theories about our podcast that would mean there are a people not that there are interested people who write us very nice emails because there are but they don't seem like they're writing conspiracy theories about us they sound alike. They're just being nice in there interested but not interested enough to come up with conspiracy theories. I think it'd be really nice to to shift that and Just receive mail that theorizes about our true intentions behind this podcast and the hidden messages within each episode. Hey I agree. Can I give a shout out to one of these? Nice people helped us with a conspiracy theory. Oh okay then yes Conspiracy might be a strong word but it is a theory in it is an oddity in the Gilmore Girls Universe we got email from conspiracy. Theorist Stephanie. She doesn't self. Identifies conspiracy theorist national seeking the theme of this episode? We're GONNA call this. Stephanie said that she has only made it through her first seven episodes so she's just a brand new listener but she wanted to reach out to us about our Easter Egg. She said that she thinks our discussion about Richard leaving money for Luke in his will and not to Laura. Lie is a reference to an earlier episode. We had discussed this in an Easter egg segment. She says this made me smile. She says there wasn't episode. I don't know the specific one. 'cause I'm at work that story of my life? How many times have I been at work? Turn your remember. A Gilmore girls episode. I'm not exaggerating. That's a real thing. But in the episode Luke Goes Golfing with Richard. When Lucan liberalized dating Richard brings up to Luke to franchise. The diner in. Luke is not about it but goes along with what Richard Assane for the sake of Laura lie when she finds out she's so mad her dad would even bring it up per usual. But EILLY believe. That's why Richard Leaves Luke money and not laurey great job on the show. And maybe you revisited. This later in the episodes. I'm still listening while now. We have revisited it for sure. I emailed her back now. But now we definitely have and hopefully by the time you get to this hopeful you get to. This are still listening for many more episodes and you can respond to this. Follow up who knows. Or maybe you're Baath around bebop bugging around and not listening in order. Yeah I mean definitely he. He gives Luke that money because he originally wanted to still strange to me that he doesn't also give it to Laura. Light a franchise. But that's that's Richard. He gets something in his head. You know it's true. And sometimes when you have an untimely death a lot of times your Willa gnarly what you would have wanted it to be. Had you had the foresight or more opportunity to change it before he died. That's true or sometimes your Joan Crawford and you just don't leave your kids money. Yes sometimes you want them to learn Some sort of lesson for reasons that are well known to them. Well but guess what we're not talking about mommy dearest again today. Thank goodness What are we talking about today? We're talking conspiracy theories. I know everyone's very shocked. That's what we are giving. Yes couple of conspiracy theories because those are interesting. I recently heard a friend paddle off a whole myriad of conspiracy theories and not the aluminum but some other group. I don't know but I know that there are many conspiracy theorists out there lovers of conspiracy theories. I'm sure there are plenty. Podcast about the subject. A was found at least one when I was doing research very nice. But we're just GONNA talk a couple today because they're the ones that immigrants talked about. And what Gilmore girls talk about. We talk about. How has anything truer about my life and said you? That's basically what it comes to our life in a nutshell okay. Well speaking of which Gilmore Girls Episode. We're talking about today is Season four episode for chicken or beef question which by the way that title feel like everyone immediately knows wedding. I truly don't know if that's what I thought the first time I heard it but it makes perfect sense. I have no questions about this title. Some of them. I have questions about not this one. This one first episode October Fourteenth. Two thousand three in the plot summary is lower ally needs to get permits approved before they can move forward with the in in learns that business also involves backroom deals in Stars. Hollow Which on the scale of Backdoor Deals Pretty Tame Rory runs into dean? Who Invites her to his wedding. Yep Can I tell you something fun about this episode please do? It was in the news in the last few weeks hot because an interview Max Greenfield who you might know as Schmidt from new girl. Among other roles he has a cameo in this episode as one of Dean's drunken high school buddies for his Bachelor Party and he said people still tweet to him about this. Episode has almost girls fans so this just came up in a random interview recently. All share this in our tumbler. But I just thought it was pretty funny that this just happened to do it right before we were talking about it. You know that actor. He was also in Veronica Mars for a while. He had a recurring role commerce yet. He's a sweetheart. He is someone that I I wasn't just to in new girl because he didn't stand out to me and Gilmore girls of course but then going back and watching Veronica Mars. What and then Gilmore Girls. Whatever time I watched it after watching you girls like what so did know. Hughes around back. Monday sure was but before that happens. Lor Light In. Rory are having a conversation about the awkward invite. Dean has given to worry for his wedding fates making us. Help date lost cough up. Forty Bucks for a salad spinner form please. There is no fate. What do you mean there is no fate? Of course there is faith there is no fate. There's no destiny. There is no luck. Astrology is ridiculous. Tarot cards tell you nothing. You cannot read a poem. Tv's make tea and nothing else. Jim Morrison is not hanging out with Elvis and the Kennedys did not kill Maryland. So Taylor have you ever theorized about the Kennedys in Maryland or Jim? Morrison and Elvis. Well I've indulged in the chatter in that I more than once says come up before I don't even remember why but I have hosted a John F. Kennedy murder mystery themed party okay and Marilyn Monroe is one of the characters I mean is you can definitely. There's just so much hat gossip to indulge in there. So it's a theory. I've benefited from personally. Nice I don't think I've seriously considered any of these theories or at the end of the day. I'm just like it doesn't really matter. I how Elvis or the Kennedys dive. So I've just never really thought about it much. How about you while I definitely heard about? Kennedy's and Maryland. And Jim Morrison Dono. That is no who Elvis's so yeah have you heard of Elvis A couple of times mostly just I. I don't know him unless you say his last name. You know album Elvis Presley. Oh yes so to many elway I was gonNA say Castillo. No did I do all the wrong research. Want one just getting a joke all right. Do you WANNA kick off for conspiracy theories today. I think I should now. Here's I liked to go chronologically. I don't know there's something satisfying about that to me. However probably more of you've heard about the Kennedys in Maryland. So let's get right to it because you're floating through through people's minds Taylor you said you'd never seriously considered the idea that the Kennedys killed Maryland. We'll today you will. Oh I will. That's what this podcast is about It is so Marilyn Monroe. I hate that this is what she's always called always called a sex symbol. That is very outdated to say can you? Can't you just be like? She was a really popular woman. She was an actress and thought of is very beautiful. We have to say sex symbol. I'm onboard. Let's just abolish that okay? Cool abolished by so. It's a show officially well. Here's hoping I never accidentally say then but I'm on board with your thought process. Here's hoping I can knicks it for my vocabulary great team effort so Marilyn Monroe actress. Now you know I think people though refer to her as a sex symbol because her movies were not Particularly Popular I've watched. I haven't watched a full movie of her but I've watched little bits never stood out to me as like a great actress. You mean her movies weren't popular or she was not agreed actress. Both okay she had some definite flops but some popular ones okay. I see what you're saying. I was like because there are some definite bona fide classics in there. Like some like it hot. Yes that's the one But certainly a closer to her death she was having flops or just wasn't giving movies because of her instability so Marilyn Monroe had some relationships with multiple Kennedy brothers which that is something I did not know I thought it was just JFK. But actually Roberts as well now we did know about her relationship with Arthur Miller. Thanks to Miss Selene She didn't remind him of a book on our head. What was that to wear hats? It reminds remind him of the book but she didn't do it and look where we are. Yes and Robert can news the Attorney General at the time of course brother. Jfk was president so very high rules important roles to then have it. Come out about you have in affair with an actress. Not a good look. They like to keep those things quiet. So Maryland died in nineteen sixty two on her bed in her bedroom. She was found naked under her sheets with her hand on the telephone and pill bottles everywhere so as an overdose her housekeeper found. Her doctor came pronounced her dead and it was ruled a suicide very quickly because of the amount of drugs that she took it was definitely. Death was the intention because if it was accidental than probably would have just taken like you know a couple extra sleeping pills but she taken something like forty fifty. I mean it was some monstrous number and by looking at how much of the toxins in her body now the pills were. The physical pills were not found in her stomach. They had already been soaked up by your system. Now there's part of the problem is that wouldn't all these pills that she taken? Wouldn't there be some leftover trace of them. The doctor said because she was already addict she her body. You're if you're an addict. Your body absorbs the pills faster than someone who's not taking so many pills so she could have absorbed them in the amount of time now so some theorize. It wasn't injection. Someone else injected her with this large amount because I would just be. The liquid wouldn't find any of that mix in with everything else or you know. I understand biology so to kind of kick it off a little more. Recently Maryland's death has come up because of the unsealed files from the JFK murder. In in it there's letter from the FBI. Warning Robert Kennedy that a book was GonNa come out about his affair with Marilyn Monroe which was gonNA come out in nineteen sixty four two years after her death strange death of Marilyn Monroe which gives a lot of credibility to the fact that he was having affair the FBI was like hey a book is coming out about it. We know it's druce station probably I don't know be prepared. Does if it wasn't real then they just dismiss it in your at any attention. Yeah and Maryland was kind of being like she velika. Just being passed back and forth between the brothers wasn't romance. It was just sexual encounters sexual relations. Although that's did fine isn't it Clinton? Now that's another prison little. Not Love Triangle. I guess sex triangle okay so. Cbs had it not sex. Symbol triangle known so steinem. Jim Baker is a Marilyn Monroe expert. And he was recently came out with a book about on the Fiftieth Anniversary of her passing and he went on. Cbs News to talk a little bit about some of the inconsistencies that he and others have found in this whole case. So I'm GONNA play a little bit of that for you. Put it a just been really shady. Not completely thorough. Police work that you know what maybe Marilyn Monroe. She really did. Just commit suicide and the right investigation. Didn't take place after she could have committed suicide. Sure however the big thing that argues against that was the the the amount of drugs that were found in her bloodstream. In order to have the level of drugs that she had in her bloodstream she would have had to have taken at least fifty sleeping pills in an incredibly short period of time in order to to get to that right and in addition to that there was no water glass found in her locked bedroom and there was no water in her locked bedroom. How DOES THAT HAPPEN MR continues? I liked it. The anchor said could have just been bad. Police work like they took things down wrong or being sloppy. Yeah that's an option but also no water clawson. She had to take all those pills. I mean you can't do that just swallowing. That would be tricky for sure. You can maybe get one or two down. I can't imagine fifty now but again maybe there was actually one glass. Maybe the housekeeper saw it. And just you know Per you picked it up and cleaned it. You know. Didn't think anything of it and then here years later. That's a reason why people are questioning that but also the the idea that it was. Those drugs were injected into her. There was a small bruise on her low back that the coroner did deemed just an accident. You know we bruise ourselves all the time running. Well at least I do and I can't tell you not too long ago. I literally ran into a Cabinet. Door had a little bit of a black. I just hoped no one asked me no good story there anyways so people thought well. Maybe that's where they injected her. That's smaller so what time you told me you did research on this more. Recently I heard a theory that they had injected her under her toenail or something. So that you wouldn't be able to find the injection site. That sounds awful. I don't understand how that would get into your bloodstream. So that's why I don't know if that theory has any credence yes that's not one that I saw. Just the putting it in the Bruce in her burr where the bruise then appeared on her back. See The toenail theory. Oh sorry to maybe. We need to put a content warning on this be warned. Say on people think that they were worried about her revealing the affairs. And so that is why the Kennedys themselves or likely. Someone else took care of her. Some people said that she had an argument with Robert Kennedy on the phone that night about their relationship. Supposedly I mean there's so many supposedly just because you know one person said it and Maryland. Not here to say speak herself. They also say that she thought that JFK was going to marry her and she talked to Jackie o about or just Jackie at the time and I mean all these. There's a lot out there Taylor who boy but she did talk to several people on the phone that night. That is pretty well. Agreed upon Maryland's last call. We think was from actor. Peter Lawford but more notably brother-in-law to the Kennedys. He was an actor in such classic films. Ocean's eleven and royal wedding but I had no idea and one of the versions of Little Women Nice. I had no idea that he was a Kennedy connection. Yeah so in other little fuel to the conspiracy flame. Us inviting her to come over and he said that she sounded like she was under the influence of drugs. Or maybe under the influence of Kennedy's she told him to say goodbye to pat his wife. Who Was Kennedy? Say Goodbye to the president and say goodbye to yourself. Because you're a nice guy and then she drifts off so that did sound like her saying goodbye like she was going to kill herself Or at already taken the pills so so anyways But in one thousand nine hundred eighty two so these conspiracy theories. They've been around floating around right after she died and nine hundred ninety two they actually lost Angeles County District Attorney opened up the case looked into it but they decided they didn't find any evidence to support any of the theories so But it's still be bounced around of course because he could have been in on a to. Do you see any evidence to support the theories. Are you convinced by any of them? Here's something though. I questioned about a lot of cases from before basically before like modern day. Forensics how really did they find anyone like? I just feel like how could anyone have gotten caught for murder back in the day like they don't have your DNA it have to be like asking around and finding holes in a story. I guess do they know John Wilkes Booth Killed Abraham Lincoln? Maybe he was just another good ideas. One getting into this conspiracy theories but right booth was just a Rut. Nice guy in the wrong place at the wrong time but I just think sometimes think like wouldn't it have been the easiest thing to get away with murder? Just wear mask. Make sure no one knows who you are down. I'M GONNA keep tabs on you at all time to make putting on a masking killing people now. Yeah no I see. You can't do it anymore because fingerprints DNA gets everywhere a little bit of your skin right. Or maybe that's just what. Csi wants us to believe so. That won't kill each other. I don't know they took fingerprints. Then that was a thing by then a real well in Maryland Rose Day. Yes as like. Whoa adventure wasn't around then but for Maryland. Yes that that got a little off the rails but that's conspiracy theorizing. You just got to go out there. Find the retake hold I know. Create the story. The story is not there. You make it yourself I think Taylor being pretty obvious that we're not a conspiracy theorists no. We're not good at this. We're doing yeah no. We could do better but I don't want to. I'm fine where I am true. So so There's that CNN did a little bit about the Kennedys. In Maryland. Eleven boxes of files Hollywood spies slash private eye fred. Oh Tash socked away in a storage unit in the San. Fernando Valley were reviewed by the Hollywood reporter. This was someone who had wiretaps all over town was listening to some of the biggest stars an era when some of these revelations will be published in Magazines Matt Bellamy is the executive editor for the Hollywood reporter. Otas claims that he had recordings of JFK. Having sex with Marilyn Monroe. He spoke about this as if it was a common knowledge thing. Oh Tash worked for members of Hollywood's elite to dig up dirt on their enemies in not left behind before his death reviewed by the Hollywood reporter. Tash provides salacious details of the long rumored affairs between Marilyn Monroe and both President John F. Kennedy and his brother Robert Kennedy. He claims he listened to Marilyn Monroe having sex with John F. Kennedy and in the hours before her death she says. Monroe had a blow out. Fight with Bobby Kennedy over their relationship. He claims Monroe complained. She was being passed around like a piece of meat. Tash claims he heard Bobby Kennedy trying to quiet monroe down with a pillow. So neighbors wouldn't hear her shouting but the audiotapes his nose are based on have since disappeared. Some of these files that he that we reviewed contain elements that are not one hundred percent verifiable they are his recollections in his recollections to his daughter so this Guy Oh tash guess I guess how we should know him. This guy was actually the inspiration for the for the jake character on in Chinatown. Forget it Jake Chinatown. Who knew somebody did not mean now? We know I'll let you that something I found in my research on Turner Classic Movies in just didn't feel the need to mention because it wasn't relevant at the time now it is nowadays so were maybe someone deleted it from my notes. Because they didn't want me to share it on the podcast. You're okay theory. So basically based things how Maryland. Get all those pills in your system wide. How did the pills get absorbed so fast and Kennedy's government and bi protect or there to protect themselves for still a question. People are talking about today. Lips nut dig into it. We're not a political podcast. So Taylor have I convinced you? Can you questioning everything? Oh I'm questioning literally everything I knew about Marilyn Monroe because you've told me more about her tonight than I probably knew excellent aside from her marriage to Arthur Miller which I knew some things about should we talk about some of Luke's other conspiracy theories though sure well look is not only concerned about the Kennedys not killing Maryland. Or Rather. He's not concerned at all. He is convinced. We gotta talk about Jim Morrison. Do you know Jim Morrison. I do not know I realized I knew even less about him that I knew about the rolling stones. I did not remember that. He was the lead singer of the doors. Another rock and roll band. I know I knew that. At some point but wait. Why did they say oh? I don't know if the doors are. Oh they were a rock and roll band in the sixties coal contemporaries of the rolling stones. Have you heard of them? I think so. Can you name the lead singer? Keith Richards Mick Jagger just keeping your sharp well we don't need to go into a deep dive of the doors to know the story of Jim Morrison really to get into this conspiracy. It's another death conspiracy. We're talking about death today. Call US. A true crime. Podcast today. All about conspiracy theories. The story of Jim Morrison's death to get some context. You have to know that. Nineteen sixty nine he. I don't know why felt the need to expose himself to a crowd at a concert in Florida. And he got into some legal trouble for that as well as this article quoted as indecent exposure in profanity. I don't understand fully how that works but apparently it was a big scandal. Lots of concerts got cancelled. Big PROBLEM FOR THE DOORS FOR JIM. Morrison they start having quite a few doors shut on their own faces. Wow that was just spot on. And between that and some other troubles he moved to Paris in March of Nineteen. Seventy one with his girlfriend. Pamela Courson and apparently he gained a lot of weight while he was there. People weren't really able to recognize him anymore. His health wasn't great and he was found dead in a bathtub on July third that year in his apartment and it was ruled a heart failure. There was no autopsy done because the French authorities just said there's no foul play. We don't have to do an autopsy interesting. He was known for his drinking. Apparently he could drink thirty six peers in a day so they thought it was just heart failure from heavy drinking. So that is the official story. Let's talk about the more fun things to talk about. Al and their two kinds of theories. Jim Morrison their theories about his death in theories that he's still alive. I know plot first. Let's talk about if he died. What could have happened? If it wasn't heart. Failure from lots of drinking some of his biographers? Think that he probably suffered an accidental heroin overdose which he was a known drug user and so is his girlfriend. So it's definitely possible and it is apparently a thing that if you have overdosed if you put yourself in a hot bath it could ease some of the symptoms of a heroin overdose. So they think that's why he potentially could have been in the bathtub and he could have died from the overdose not from the drinking. There's another theory out there that the singer Marianne Faithfull who used to date Mick Jagger she at the time was dating a drug dealer named. And I'm going to butcher this French. Jean de Blue Tail Fruit. I know that's fruit diligent. Whatever Joey triviality says Jean Dubuffet he was a drug dealer and he was known for being the drug dealer to the stars apparently he. She thinks he sold him some bad heroin. That was really strong. There are also rumors that he sold Janice Joplin the heroin that killed her there is also a theory from a former nightclub manager seem burnett that he died in the bathroom stall of a popular nightclub nearby. The Rock and roll circus on brand. He thinks that the drug dealers potentially found his body. There took him back to the apartment tried to do the put him in the TUB to help with the overdose thing but when they realized he was dead they just bailed and tried to pretend they were never there which apparently worked. If that's what happened so those are the potential theories of how he could have died? That aren't confirmed and since they never did the autopsy which I do think that's weird. You should do topsy. Especially it's a famous person. Everyone's GonNa ask a thousand questions. Yeah however not. Everybody buys all those theories for several reasons. One Jim Morrison was a big fan of poetry. That's part of partly why he was in France to work on poetry. Apparently he was a big fan of the poet. Arthur Rimbaud who faked his own death in fled to So they think he could have had some inspiration from someone. He admired also supposedly. They never saw the body before it was buried at a very small funeral. So people are saying we never saw this body media didn't go in the ground we don't know then there have been some other more Some people say there have been sightings of Jim Morrison for he. Yes I know. So there's a New York native who goes by the name broken star. He says he's found an aged. Jim Morrison Alive in New York City. He's been following around this guy. Who Calls Himself Richard? Who doesn't say whether or not he's Jim Morrison. They just think he looks a lot like Jim Morrison. Ko He could be in New York City also in two thousand sixteen snowpacks reported that there were these were debunked is false. But you know conspiracy theories they say that Jim Morrison was found alive at a Paris retirement home. Just another option for you. And here's probably my favorite theory about Jim. Morrison's potential future that he still alive in running the Jim Morrison Sanctuary ranch in Oregon but he goes by the name. Bill lawyer sure that sounds like this smart move and I just. I want to read you something. I just found a treat of a personal article. Here this is from night wire dot net. According to their about page they capture the true essence of Pittsburgh. Their goal is to make you smile. Lighten your day in lift your spirits. They are never political. Don't make statements. We offer pure entertainment. That will tickle your funny bone so I'm not US. It's very unclear. What exactly is going on with this website for one. But you know what I realized while I was researching for this normally. I go out of my way to make sure I have reliable. Sources this episode. I threw that standard. Because that's not where the fun stuff you gotta find the weird websites in just entertain goofiest stuff. So here's just this little personal article here from night where night wire dot com it's called. Is Jim Morrison Alive by Superman Morrison? Supposedly I guess that's their username. Super Monkey know nothing about this. It's not I don't know anything about them so he starts out saying I love a good conspiracy theory just as much as the next guy but mostly I find them entertaining and don't really believe them. Good start we know. This guy's not just believe in everything so I present to you an interesting scenario as presented to me at the robby. Krieger concert last month at the Palace. Theatre. I run into someone I've known for quite some time a person I consider extremely credible. I'm very confident. This person is not crazy so with the concert. I mentioned to this friend. Let's call him Dave that I have to meet robby. Krieger backstage he quickly replied you know ray before he died and all those guys. I have a history with them. Unclear who ray is is that a nickname for robby. Krieger don't know introduces me to his girlfriend. I inquired a Dave's girlfriend. How do you know the doors? She is standing behind. Dave she smiles looks at Dave and turns and walks away silently. Dave says Oh. It's a long story five minutes pass. David I are watching Robbie just the two of us. He proceeds to tell me that his girlfriend is Jim. Morrison's daughter obviously. I'm a little shocked. He swears to me. It's true gyms alive. He says Jim currently resides on a ranch outside Las Vegas on Lake Isabella. He says that all of the members of the doors are aware. He's not really dead. They've all met with him in private and respect his wishes to live under the name William Lawyer. He's been working as a rancher for the past. Twenty years lives a quiet simple life with his wife and raising horses and he just continues on. Oh yes here's my favorite part. Then Dave pulls out his iphone and starts showing me pictures he personally took some with him in the pictures with this current Jim Morrison whose a little older in gray hanging out with his family and that states. He's been to his house and they talk all the time. Oh boy and then he gets into this history of Jim Morrison and about these other supposed sightings N. Just you know what a treat. I'm GonNa put this whole personal article. I just want you to know it ends with this line. Interesting question. Mark factor fiction data. You decide so. This article is just a true tree. Made me smile. Thank you super monkey for that. Wow Okay so you know what though Mavericks Spec to anyone who's fake their own death 'cause like that takes a level of commitment. I don't understand well. If you have respect for Jim. Morrison Aka William lawyer who faked his own death. Get Ready. Because I've got another conspiracy theory for you. Oh boy we established you've heard of this Guy Elvis once or twice will. This story is gonNA sound a little familiar. I promise you. I did not accidentally reread the same article in. Put it under Elvis This is gonNA sound familiar. But Elvis the official story. He died at age. Forty two on August sixteenth. Nineteen seventy seven at his graceland home in Tennessee. They say he died of heart. Failure was not in good health and he might have also been on drugs. But I want you to know there are a lot of people in this world that think Elvis is alive. Yeah you know that is something I have heard about. So have I but I did not know the intricacies of all the possibilities of why this might be kind of judiciary some of these with you. Please still will. There's a series of reasons I I'm gonNA tell you the basis for why Elvis may be alive after all these years one. We can't see the death certificate. What do you mean it? It is not allowed to be seen until twenty twenty seven fifty years after he's passed though. That's an issue of Tennessee wa so but we haven't seen the death certificate so only seven more years that's true hoover close. Can't wait countdown timer. Ooh also there were been. There's been speculation that it wasn't really his body in the ascot at the funeral. Footage shows pall bearers struggling to lift a nine hundred pound copper coffin out much like friend going around stars hollow. This sounds ten times worse literally ten times the weight the King. Of course himself he put on some weight but that seems a little ridiculous. So there is a theory that the casket had a cooling system in it Aka. The kind you would use to keep a wax dummy for melting on a summer day. Apparently Elvis's cousin Jean Smith thought the body looked a little strange. He said his nose. Kinda was peggy looking. His right side burn was sticking straight out and that his hairline didn't look so great and apparently his hands were to smooth and he just didn't think looked like his cousin. Elvis maybe that guy had never seen a dead body before because you get a little funky. It's true I don't know I wasn't there. There's also some suggestion that there may have been a helicopter that flew in and out of Graceland. The day he died so he could have possibly left in gone to Bermuda. Or maybe even Bahama Kokomo. Maybe I don't know there's also the curious fact of the spelling of his middle name on his tombstone Apparently it's spelled a run as key and peele would say on his tombstone when normally only spelled it Arun just with a but people also said he has spelled it both ways in his lifetime. So that's just another alive. I'm just saying maybe it was a clue I didn't die. I'm still alive. They wouldn't have spelled. My name comes out there okay. Also there've been a couple of interviews with this family members that make people wonder in two thousand five his wife. Priscilla was on Oprah show in. She said it's exactly what he said the other day. Talking about Elvis. She corrected herself to what you said the other day. No also at least I'm Marie was on Larry King. And she seemed to avoid a question about whether or not she still communicated with her father. Because it's a really weird question to ask I mean Oh okay And just the facts here. Okay here's probably. I think the most detailed reason why Elvis might have faked his death. There's an author. Her name is Gail Brewer. Giorgio she wrote in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight bestselling book called. Is Elvis alive which I think you can guess what her answer is. She said she went through thousands of FBI DOCUMENTS. Fbi unsung hero of this episode in. She said he had to go into a witness protection program. Do I know if Elvis is alive today? No I don't know but I do know he didn't die on August sixteenth. She says the FBI asked Elvis to be an undercover agent in nineteen seventy six to help infiltrate a criminal organization called the fraternity which was made up of racketeer's he volunteered because he loved his country respected the FBI according to her and they had him set up this he was trying to sell an airplane. Or something to one of these racketeers but they found out he was a mole and they had to put them into witness protection to save him also. The same person says that she has seen Elvis's death certificate unclear. How since it's not available until twenty twenty seven and the medical report in a letter that Elvis wrote to President Nixon and says all the same handwriting and she had a phone conversation the nineteen eighties with a man who said he was Elvis and he said he wanted to go into hiding to escape fame. So these are all the appear reasons Elvis could have faked his death. Gone into witness protection. Wanted to get away from the fame. Lots of things. Apparently don't add up no interest so we gotta talk about where Elvis went. Yeah if it wasn't just the helicopter I want you to know there have been a lot of elvis sightings since his death has happened in Las Vegas Woo there are sightings there all the time but these aren't the kinds of sightings I'm talking about. These are the kinds of sidings. I'm talking about the one cited by the Elvis sightings society founded in nineteen eighty nine a society for a better. They site him. Oh yeah well. The first sighting was right after his death. There was a man seen at the Memphis Airport Memphis Tennessee who purchased a one way ticket to Argentina. And apparently this guy going to Buenos Aires looked like Elvis and he gave the name John Burroughs which was often his alias at hotels when Shah now never mind say there were no international flights. Going OUT OF MEMPHIS at this time in nineteen seventy seven just putting out there. It was head also later that year at Graceland there was a guy who took some pictures of the Pool House in a few years later while looking at these photos with a met defend glass. He says he saw an elvis like figures sitting in the doorway. Kodak photos has confirmed. This photo was not doctored so it seems like somebody was looking out there. However Ellison's good buddy Joe esposito says it was a guy named Al strata near No. I wish that everyone could see your your face. Stay this look at a tragedy of a podcast face for the movies. Well gotTa keep going here though because this is just. I'm just started in nineteen eighty-four sports agent Larry. Kolb was next to a guy who looks like Elvis in a photograph with Muhammad Ali Jesse Jackson. Kolb showed the photo. Saying it wasn't Elvis but if you ask Mohammed Ali he said that's my friend Elvis at what stage in homilies life was that S. nineteen eighty four. Now that guy. We noticed working media circus. But maybe he's telling the truth and nobody's listening to him. You don't know now also like this article puts it. What would you do on your eighty second birthday if you are one of the biggest stars in the world and had been pretending to be dead for almost four decades head to Graceland? Obviously there's a photo that's on. The Elvis Presley is alive facebook. Page showing a man with a white beard insecurity personnel. Who fans think could be Elvis with the security guard at graceland on his birthday and then in twenty sixteen they think there's a guy working as a groundskeeper graceland that they think could be Elvis. Same I don't know if it's the same dude grey-haired baseball cap. How old would elvis being in two thousand sixteen? He died at forty two in nineteen seventy seven so he'd be eighty right around there. Yeah that's a low old for grounds keeping. But he's giving the peace sign to the camera and people think that means. I'm okay I elvis. I feel like if I were Elvis and I was getting up there in age. I just like you know what I'm just going to reveal it because otherwise you die and then maybe it comes out and you don't get to enjoy the crazy. Well how do you know? He's not enjoying singing. Because there's also a theory that he is alive in preaching the good word as a pastor in Arkansas who sings? He has a striking resemblance in his looks and his singing voice in some say even his sermon sound like the king in his auto biography. Now there have been some other random sightings many of them in the eighties. I don't know why someone said. She saw Elvis standing in line at a supermarket in a white jumpsuit. You purchasing an electrical fuse. There was also the story that he was buying whoppers at Burger King. Somebody quoted in the Los Angeles Times said is what gives us account eerie credibility. Is that Burger? King was by far ELVIS'S FAVORITE. Fast food chain chick fillet now you know. Tastes Change Dono. But let me tell you. Here's my all time favorite theory. This this is just my favorite. Let me I will put this in our Tumbler. So everyone can see it. You can't really put this in a podcast. It's more of a visual thing. So what you can't see on a podcast but you can see in our temblor so the show. Podcast TABLOID DOT COM is a clip from the Nineteen Ninety holiday comedy classic directed by Christopher Columbus and written by one of my all time favorites John Hughes home alone and the scene. In which Catherine O'Hara playing poor little MacAulay culkin's mother is stuck at an airport in? She is trying to get the heck out of Scranton and just before John. Candy comes and says Hey. Do you want to hop along in my Polka bus of a better word and get to Chicago? You can see a bearded man in the background in a lot of people think. That's Elvis as an extra in the film because that's what you do when you're hiding out. Well apparently Chris Columbus his previous film had something to do with kids kidnapping Elvis and they theorize. Elvis reached out to Chris. Columbus said I liked. The movie cannot be in your next one. There are other clues such as MacAulay culkin's singing white Christmas with his hair slicked back. They say it's a tribute to Elvis. And also if you really okay also if you rearrange. The letters in his character named Kevin. Mcallister you can spell. I am Elvis now and this is just. This gives me hope every holiday season. I'm GonNa Watch this movie every time I watched that movie. You think about it now. Can You really rearrange the letters? You have to leave some of them out. Oh My Gosh. I just want you to know so. These are options. If Elvis is alive e seemed to be witness protection working at Graceland being a pastor casual movie extra you know just. I'm not totally convinced. I have to say but it's I'd be excited if I thought I saw Elvis. That'd be cool but I don't think I would think that I saw him because he's dead our. Ap I don't know how to transition from home. Alone two Gilmore girls. But should we. Should we talk about Gilmore girls again? Yeah we become a home. Alone Extras podcast. Both good options. So Taylor basically these. These theories are far out there. You know I I could be convinced of the Kennedys Killing Maryland. I'm not but I could be. However people faking. Their own. Deaths is a lot more difficult to believe. Yes mad props to you if you need to do it in you do it. I mean the witness protection program. Is I think a real thing I can believe that. So I think that Luke Sane. There's no faith there's no destiny. I think people use fate and destiny not in such like hard fast like the crystals I dunno although some people maybe do but I guess for me. I think like fate and destiny. I don't mind using those words because sometimes things happen. You're like that is so weird fate you know but as he progressed everything else. Yes Yep Yep loop here right. So are you not convinced that Elvis went to Burger King in the eighty s? Yeah you know. I'm just not although they didn't have you know. Overeats or door dash or Grub or all of those things so you know handing destroyed somehow. Can you imagine being a door dash deliver in you? They open the door. And it's Elvis. Snap a photo on by yet. Prove it yeah I think yeah. I think loops audie something here. I think he's making his point. Although I think he's being a little melodramatic in his own way yeah I think Laura Lion Royer basically saying it's getting harder and harder to say no to this thing we don't really WanNa do and Luke Assane basically you're saying Elvis is alive so Taylor so Kyla that's our show. That's our shoe that's are so it's a conspiracy theory. Yes today. We learned the Kennedy Brothers had Maryland killed. Jim Morrison in El Nino. John Wilkes booth was just really misunderstood. Yeah we're out there for you. All you misunderstood people faking your own death thing murdered by this guy. John Wilkes booth. He was free. He faked his own. Death can dig my heels in on that one Lincoln still alive. Yeah Abraham Lincoln faked his own debt. He's together he yeah he just wanted to be on our money okay. Yeah that's how conspiracy theory start. Go finish them in an email to us so we can read them as a joke but don't leave him on the Internet. Don't spread conspiracy theories don't do it. We don't support it especially about modern day stuff. I don't mind so much old. You know things that are are long past you know. can theorize how have fun but not about stuff apnea right now guys you get in searcy theories we don't know nobody no not a fan except for the ones we've talked about where we're yeah we're definitely on board were thousand percent serious. Yeah so tell us what you think better with us or I don't know sign up for our tiny letter. Learn more tiny letter dot com slash. So it's a show. We're on twitter at Soda. Show so it's a show and one last little bit. Melissa McCarthy was recently on the Kelly Clarkson show because everyone has a talk show now or podcast but this is the talk show they did a little Gilmore Girls Trivia which I found to be pretty easy. They also had their faces made. I don't know goals and They didn't do perfectly. I was kind of disappointed. Sukey James But Anyways very easy trivia but there was one little piece of information that she gave that I thought was kind of interesting. So here's that now on next question. God Has Jackson proposing in NASA MISS. Patty's out on the grass picnic picnic. What's that was supposed to be at noon? And we shot it at like one o'clock in the morning so we were just under like crazy. Clegg lights trying to make it look like daylight so we couldn't really look at each other because it was like I love you. Look glass looking at him and Mike. You can't see so we couldn't see each other like oh so. I thought that was interesting. Little tidbits so I'm going to go back and watch episode. Think we all should and see if they look kind of funny when they're interviewing never noticed that before. I'll definitely have to rewatch that and trained figure that out. Yeah so a bit. Well here's teaser. For our next step looking at Anna. Dewolf tables are here for support. Well we just had a lot of books to go through a loop this is Natalie Zimmermann now is Gonna. Help US design the dragonfly. Nice to meet you. Did I tell you we're going to have horses? The property already has stable so why not. I love horses have always looked towards his ever since I was a little girl in now finally have grown up excuse to buy a pony listen national velvet. Do you have to move this stuff fatty? Why because this is a diner people wanNA sit 'n sync? We snapped and clapped. We really get. It's like Justin Timberlake and Lance Basser hanging out again were they known for being on beat they were in an instant oh in sync but I like your theory. Oh that should have been so simple but this is what I do with joke sometimes over locate them but I appreciate. It was really cute.

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What Truth Sounds Like...Seriously! (Pt. 2)

Root of All Culture

1:13:13 hr | 2 years ago

What Truth Sounds Like...Seriously! (Pt. 2)

"Have you ever thought about studying your own podcast when I was trying to get this podcast off the ground idle questions? How do I record an episode? How do I give my show into all the APPS people like to listen to? How do I even make mile own money from my podcast? The answer to every one of these questions is real simple anchor. Anchor is a one stop shop for recording hosting and distributing your podcast. Best of all is one hundred percent free and ridiculously easy to use. And now anger can match you with great sponsors. She wants to advertise on your podcast. That means you can get paid to podcast right away as a matter of fact. That's exactly what I'm doing right now with this specific anchor for me has been an opportunity to expand on the community outreach of what. I want to talk about an adding more people into the conversation and the besting the like about it is ever growing diversity in his community of podcasters. So if you always wanted to start a podcast make money doing it to anchor DOT FM slash. Start to join me in a diverse community. Podcast is already using anchor that's anchored DOT FM slash start. I cannot wait to your podcast There we are might take my check. All right guys we are here again. Another installment is part of last week's conversation was titled what the treat sounds like seriously and up outside of introduce. I guess excited CA psych. It's unreal doing this. I've been considering I've been doing this for like four months now as like it's saying that were once consistently in so's like I get kinda excited but this is a installment of Mitchell Kado and if he Gaza note that means it's me the process quite frankly I honestly want to make sure that I say right so ever butcher anybody can tell me. I'm wrong but other than that like I said before. Last week we do handle special guests with us. And I definitely think this guests that I have with me is a such a prolific person a outstanding human being. And if you're kind of whispered but shall having realized when a after you anchor that for media hub. I would like to introduce you guys. Mike Great Friend. Amazing colleague in just an outstanding person and Her name is Mary Aig Tonight in. Ken Get started Things one I want columbarian introduce herself and tell the audience a little bit about stuff what she does Condo. Washington this conversation for today and then to I got to be my satellites you on the spot of ships on apple podcasts. All the break breaker view shifts radio on All the shaving services. Anybody that you listen to that a kid a to the anchor at for long opportunity for anyone to be able to afford free and just consistent and things the nature and like I said give a shout out to May for being on the show so would no further introduction. Mary how're you doing? I'm I'm really good. I'm so excited. We get to talk today that I said I'll go. It's like a. It's funny because it's like almost like one of those recipes that you make in. He's gotta add that one. Small ended ingredients to change everything. Like just good the whole budget flavor but yet. Mary I want a audience to know Talking to arm dealing with. And so if you can give The people kind of an introduction to Kular will my name is Mary Tasr below. I'm from and currently live in Phoenix. Arizona right. Now I'm a real estate agent and a Grad student and a bunch of other random things apparently an Oscar nominee And are and I like our first semester Grad school right appreciate. It was the first semester that was two dollars though spring semester. Two thousand seventy discreet sows out. You just had graduated from Graceland and right up till I December houses like well like midsummer and I just I said airs on his also working In the comment there a let I said our first class was with Dr Analysis and it was her humanistic inquiry class. And I think that's where it Kinda like kicked off when we became best friends. Kata lead up on somebody who I can just talk to. Edges had like these really important conversation is just somebody Dislike very down on earth. Somebody who is just Very interactive with the people that I think for me when I looked when all the people that I deal with your probably like maybe three people that I know poking intricate lead be so in tune somebody and during lotions and how they feel that. It's like it's like you almost become one with them and I think that's such a loss commodity for today's Society because we with this new technological bullet advance we became so any like interjected with you know being are followed in our social media. -cation sometime when I talk to. You is almost like a fresh air because like I get the opportunity to really sit down and and Hashtag starts off. So that's why like I said to the audience. That's why I use the word Kinda prolific with her. Because everything that I've done with her up until now it's always been Chotobhai my mental and has always been just by major and I can only hope and is it That's why we have this conversation and talk. I'll always leave with sits a hope. Obviously a sense of unity elite was sense of opportunity to build upon this not. Just make this to where it had said to me before. I don't think you've used for black. Man is one that should be going to say. And I'm like look up podcasts. Like it's a mixture of things to my audience for anybody like listening coming into this podcast today. Essentially what this the alternate go. I mean the several does is one of my one of my personal goals and I want this to me. Best podcast Either this year will not this year. But I'll say next year or the year before the APP trying to build up to where I get a nice guy but my ultimate goal is to allow this to be a platform. Where is the ultimate community outreach? Where it's not just having her as a guest but it's having her and a few other people on the panel to have this conversation and discussion especially for. Today's topic is subject to talk about race and kind of this unfinished conversation. That is tech goals on kings all due to the fact that A lot of times we kinda we we would come like you know coward in this corner because it's it's uncomfortable space and so. I think you know having her on ear and she is and what she's about and the people that she worked with and just the the dynamic of this competition relationship that her and I have as far as a speed. That's essentially is important so with no further do iconic will kick it off up what conference that we had the conversation that we had last week. for those who have had oxygen listed episode yet is we are talking about whiteness everything. That's centered around whiteness which includes white supremacy which work early show is a very multi-layer subject and like I say with this podcast. His it's the pocket selves multi because one is a personal reflection A lot of what I've learned and what I've been trying to do with as far as give myself at opportunity to see intrinsically this space of putting putting on my world like kind of allowing myself to to to know why conversation last one now. How the titans of that? And the reason why use to hear a lot of the other subjects in the conversation because almost like going back and so for example if we are talking about my first time ever befriending somebody from LGBT COMMUNITY. And you know what that relationship was like. That's person fudging now. How we tie that into the competition itself is what it's like to ally of that community. What it's like to talk about the beside that community and advocate for A rule that is been marched lies to humanize and just a lot of people on accepting. They are as people insulin on that. So those are kind the the idea of the conversations that were kind of happening as far as podcast go so last week I talked about is what that means what it entails and ultimately what comes down to kind of the underlying theme all of its power and with that coward regardless if you're wealthy regardless if your well off regardless of your Gore broke even for those who don't have the income they still have this edge of power because it's not. It's not tight end. Whiteness is not just tidende financially. It's an infrastructure that's built for history for centuries that allows this everlasting growth of this everlasting dominance of of wars and laws that just subjugates minority people into these boxes to where you know if you look a certain way. You can't do this if you answered the way. You can't do this. They where your hair this particular color? You can't do this. You have your hair naturally curly or whatever he gives me but you can't do these things of that nature so it becomes difficult and so I guess so. My my guess is on on have opposite was too so i. I'm a one kind of turn this for you. And kind of for me. I have several buzzer. So for me I want. I want to kind of get your reaction off a book. What you've heard from last week's episode and kind of what you took away from mayhem and Was finished out. I want shoot to talk about. What does whiteness? What what is when you hear the Word Whiteness? What is that? What does that mean for so I said so. On what kind of Kit your reaction when she heard from last coup I felt like last week. You did a good job about overview of what it means to talk about whiteness. And that doesn't mean talking about white people. It means talking about the institutions in all of these structural parts of our society that favor whiteness. And I think you made a really good distinction Last week talking about that in that it's not like I think people get personal you know when they are uncomfortable with talking about race like everything's very personal and they are so caught in a personal that to look at the structural and reflect on those things separately right because they're so tied into it and I thought you did a really good job kind of setting that you know that ideology last week so then and I guess a like. I said an forgotten. Energetic the other perspective it's his passes that a lot of what I'm talking about comes from a black perspective. So when when I when I talk about what I go through. It's also interactive from that space. And so when I interact with such dangerous. White House is not necessarily dealing with white. People is more so in line dealing with white institutions and insisted that up to to cause harm and dysfunction in community especially marginalized minority communities. I can remember having to be pulled over. I wouldn't even put over was just walking from Tom and this. If I can recall this it wasn't. It was long time ago but It was after the CBO there. Go after superbowl. What the giants the Patriots Firstly jittered. Bradtha go off on that Sunday night. Because I want to get to go to score early and I'm about as walking down and it was no more than like five minutes as I've gotten to the bus stop I was like you know. I'll just co workers Freddie just see big and I got pulled over pulled over and got the gun. I had a gun drawn on the it was. It was just kind of like a frantic situation like this could be it and it was so much more of a. You know the officer just trying to think his job. But there's an institution behind being the lease. Tau A lot of economic that infrastructure. Self police police minutely seeing has been such a more of a racial A racial background into it so like more often for me. When I was in that situation I was more upset about the representation of what the lease awed an actual person. So because we have there are a lot of people that are in the police force. It's just you are once you address into that community you that there's only so much akin to advise surgery people before you have to really exert your power and that's what I Kind of a from last week is a lot of what this conversation tailhook powered and so my next question for you is what. What does you hear the term whitening? What does that entail for? What is that? What is that kind of ship for wounded? That happened not just Texan. Not So long ago he was just shoot me an opportunity to kind of like having a conversation you know talk mother story of you know hollered. I was laughing having a black dern things of that nature so Before we get to there I want to hear from Europe is with as wipers. What does whiteness? What what does that sound to? What does that sound like to you? What does that entail to you especially given to stay and I think a how much it's changed in the past century How Whiteness has evolved? You go on beyond the realm of a description and become a structure whiteness has structured itself. I would say in every system in American history I think it's hard to fight to the contrary opinion on that. And when you look at just like the creation of this country was based on enslavement. So if that is how it begins it make sense that that would obviously remain in the systems. I'm in the systems have clearly been successful and were designed to be successful. Which is why they have so many years later. are still in full force as you were mentioning before. I think whiteness is gonna be different for everyone based on when they realized they were white. And I think that's a funny thing to say because most white people haven't had to have that moment of self reflection and you can Speak to what I'm about to say. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I would say that people of Color are made very aware. I'm at a young age that their person of color especially in America oftentimes for their safety. Would you say that is that is that is I remember this? Parties lied is Kinda like ties into reason why? I'm having a difficult time in washing when they see us. Not Because of my interest certain movies are not because or not because of any other various things just because it's a traumatic experience. A lot of those kids Day they had. We had the talk in and I guess like I said I have. I have my personal experience that ties into this. I remember dating this woman as like Muscian high store parents were white and I always axing ever gave the talk about what is going to happen when they do cross that path and am when we had that conversation. I didn't I don't think they realized what I meant. Because they feel as if if somebody will raise them and they can overpass it like no. It's not just with words like it's not just somebody rang. It's literally institution trying their hardest as much as you. Everything in Your Power. You can have good grades. You can see the sweetest person in the world. It's it's it goes outside of just words to go outside of just money. It's it's a truck that it's allowing people an advantage in giving other people at disadvantage on try to succeed in life would would woodward ever that may look and so at a very young age. I had happen. That was that was. It wasn't just leave but it was like the majority of my family because we took our blindness in in our history very seriously closet. We celebrate laws area. We still use day buy We still celebrate who still needed Joe. Lovely so make sure hey. Do you know what data's knees and the Senate there you still try to keep it in context understand. We are people bud. I'll never forget our first big fan. We had that conversation especially when it was like the recent upsurge of white cops shooting unarmed African American people and it was just like at any given moment. That's that is exactly you? That's why watching when they see us with such a biblical tot which difficult part of watching it. Because all you can ever do when you see those guys. Those kid seen exonerated five and seeing what they what happened what led up to it. What what transpired of it. And in the aftermath you have no choice besides waking up and that's why for me like it was no offense to the family in the woman. I was dating. 'cause she was she was mixed herself but it was no offence to to the family. But a Hollywood some that you guys live in a bottle like you guys. Don't see tremendously with outside of this world like you. Guys coalition on the social media giant true Yang Yang. Like even if you guys were like like go to a different state guys can afford it and go to Disneyworld and things of that nature. That still doesn't exclude. Esther doesn't include the actual woolwich in yourself and so as long as you guys live in the city and the town and acuity detrick prompt. That's that's one thing but don't ever put yourself listen. You can comment or talk about you know off whether my city which is very heavily Argon politic community with a lot of Black folks or any other community on. Don't talk about black issues and you haven't even trailed into this snake. Never been into this neighborhood outside of. That's a lot of by white frank by don't interject yourself in conversations where you aren't even in the same area a lot of people in my neighborhood. A lot of people I was high school with they will try to claim the walkie until there was something wrong with the end and it was like I'm from West Allerton. It's like no no like I want you to keep that same because like you're not from here so you want to do the only thing that you claim is the stadium into Buck Stadium. And that's all down town any in the inner city of walkie so you don't really have a safe zone is somebody from. Oklahoma had somebody from tire different state. Charles Taylor need why terrorizing were. Terra coaxed quotes around these terrorizing rivaling. Our own community and I was upset. Because it's like you don't understand the poll that has been built within the city of Milwaukee. Then there's the city this city I'm walking along. You have your intricately understand. What is transforming in front of us so when the ride happen when that when that man got shot. I'm so sorry that I can do now. Named person piece of slow. But when he got shot and that funny not. It was huge riot. Everybody was upset. Everybody was mad at you. Saw The black kid goes getting interviewed on the news on my W twelve off from walking interview. Gee said exactly what has been the same. Cobb bid no respect this then. No Voice elite humidity because a lot of the voice in the community shutout or put away or things that nature. There hasn't been any opportunity you know working do continue to star people build applying infrastructure. That isn't giving them an opportunity to succeed. And so make down long like I said before I'm one of his. Does his you love really want people to understand how dynamic whitest is what that what that shows so. I want you to Kinda give your first experience when he realized you were want and what that really meant to be a white person like when win that you met that molly was like what it's different like. I can't even really plan about the that. This outline like that moment happened happened when I was really young which I'm actually very grateful for exciting kids allowed decades of self reflection but I was five and I remember really specifically How it kind of took place and I think to kind of creed note The discovery I think it's important to mention that my kindergarten teacher who is super close friend of my family was a black woman. So we're GONNA come back to that one day. I wore like little tennis shoes and I have my ankle. Socks rolled down so it looked like you know like little donut. Above my little sneaker. It was very cool when I was five and I remember. I was sitting down and this girl next to me who was white told me that I couldn't wear my socks like that because that's what black people did and I was like so just confused and taken back by what she meant like one who she tell me how to wear my socks and like to like what did that mean and so. I went home The Dainik like said to my dad like this girl at school told me I couldn't my socks like this because that's a black people did and I won't repeat what words that he told me to tell that five year old girl but it was pretty much you know for her to go find her head up her ass at five. Were not tolerating that which again thankful for and so then. I kind of started to reflect on that Again my kindergarten teacher who is a saint. Hopefully this year. I'M GONNA be writing a book. Why every white child should have a black kindergarten teacher because of the respect that you have for black women I changed my life and she would talk to us a five years old about race and I went to a school that had like a really big variation of kits and was a low income neighborhood and there were people from pretty much every kind of it was evenly spread across the board and she would tell us like you know what color is what color do bleed and everyone would say red you know. And then she ask them. We'll what colored people say you are. What colored people say you are and everyone will tell you know everyone go around and say at you go up. We'll look at your all the same. Y'All bleed red and let me tell you if you can teach kindergartners. Outta have respect for one another then. I think that you can do to adults because she like single handedly changed how I viewed the people of Color and because she was a person that I respected so much I mean everything about her from the way that she like intellect actually to the way that she looks so sharp every day with her matching suits and heels and hair bones and she still wears heels. She's in her nineties. Mattress suits let me tell you and I think because of those interactions with her like. I had a totally different like an understanding of my whiteness that I learned on a very young age but there was something right. That people didn't like about black people and I had to figure out why because I didn't get it right. This woman who I had so much respect for was like who I wanted to be like who I still want to be like. Was this thing that this little girl was telling me not to beat so I guess I was kind of having a kindergarten identity crisis this been. This conversation has been years in the making. Apparently it also like transformed unlike what that meant for me and then how did I shift that I was reminded really distinctly again When I was eighteen I was taking a college class. And we were doing a lesson on Privilege it's the exercise kind of standard. I think across the board everyone stands side and then based on different questions you take steps forward and you kick steps backwards. And at the time I was working full-time is A. I think it was a fulltime store manager at that time and taking eighteen credits so between work and school probably had like an eighty to ninety hour. Work weeks would work in school and I remember like we were doing this exercise on privilege and things like that and I was the furthest back person that was white and everyone was like looking as if I was like lying to these questions and a lot of them were income-based in my parents didn't have a lot of money and so they were looking at me because they were expecting me to have to be a certain way because of how. I address her carrying myself and then I had this realization than that is what we do to people of Color. We look at them with this expectation of what? We think that they should be whether we are intentional. About that are not a lot of people. Ben Put people of Color in a box based on some absurd something that came across their life twenty years ago or something they heard on the television and it was like this instance moment of like. Oh my God. It's just what you're expecting somebody else to be. And I think that when I'm so excited about right now is I feel like you have done an awesome job calling it out and all your social media's like to be so proud of being a person of color like to take back that expectation as if it's something you shouldn't be and now it's like all that needs to be celebrated because it's unique and special. That's what makes you who you are and I feel like it's you don't just something different things where it's highlighting and celebrating it and for Whiteness. That makes me excited. And and I think Because actually my second absorb that. I had I talked about what those stations Riyadh versus the reality of black people and it's just finding ways to finding ways to one the box stereotypes not having. That's why as crazy as it sounds. Even when it comes to my hair you know. I'll take a take pride in that because I mean yeah there was some of those that have like no like fades these major but even like our hair has when you get your radio. One's fairly is such significance to everything you do Especially for African American people any person but especially for African break people issues. It's just important to not forgive arc and bigger nature and continually out of the bond What it is that. We go up against as far as As far as facing whiteness in the infrastructure I love upon Mary comment on hair. Because that is like a question. When I'm trying to explain whiteness or like white privilege in particular to somebody in great you don't sometimes it's if you slap him across the face with that then they're like oh I don't want here. She has to say so. I try to ask questions and Especially like women I ask have you especially white women and have you ever worried that someone would know how to do your hair? And they're like what do you mean? What do you think like not? They don't train every hairstylist on how to do. African American women's hair and so that idea of they can go anywhere to get their hair done. And so if you can slow someone down to about like okay look at the infrastructure ear like can women of color cannot just walk in any place and know that. There's going to be someone there that can do her hair like something as simplistic as that like. Can you see that infrastructural issue? Then they're like yeah that that doesn't seem fair okay. You're right now. How do we think and like I think the audience if you haven't got a chance to season one episode why are episode of Of the of the podcast series. And I talk about what those expeditions even talked about sexuality and how is it expectancy for especially African American people that are bind to male female and then the reality is tomorrow with some of our most prolific black people who have fought for the cause have been a part of different communities. Have been intersected by jank walk by his his demeanor his speech the way he'd like all dynamic process because it was that of a black man. You could shake that you can't get rid of it. And so he hinged on the fence but he also build the opportunity for us to fight or understand that we're all in this together and it's just interesting to like break that down and see what that looks like understanding what is like to to not have a a a black person you know be. They day quotas mindlessly democratic in civil knowledge. No there's Black Republicans his black conservatives is this no matter because at the end of the day we want democracy. We want to be able to disagree with me with. Because that's how he developed world as we grow into a much larger Mo- politic more fruitful community. But it's just I think the like I said before we had several conversations up to this. I think the struggle whiteness is. I think a lot of it is centered around economics. A lot of center on economic ungraded which it holds warwick anything especially that And that's why. The compensation and reparations is is such a tough one because a lot of people line especially and I see as Georgia why people even by people have said this but Jordan says came to my people where they just feel like to be in in intern of in terms of civil rights in in and getting all these things that should have been given to us as human rights. Like I shouldn't have to get shot. And then all of a sudden James has a history of big races can get off and get paid administrative league and his job. Save the mess around and goes with devastating five saint. Pat's you know. He posed consequences. Like we should be having those basic human rights. Were if you don't follow any protocol you slip up one time that's end of career. That's it like you gotta go back to be from footed burgers. Whatever the case may be but that should be reparations. I'll tell us what a lot of people when they talk about. Reparations we as African American people will will. We were literally made ever currency so we should be delivered currency. We should delivered Like during June eighteenth. I have talked about that weekend. And how a lot of people don't understand that we were supposed gentlemanly given forty acres and a mule but that would be too much advantage to African American people and like I said If guys know more about the information you have it up on as as hard descriptions biblical use the Lincoln and read up on a more but he was essentially like we can't allow them an opportunity to financially building. Wealth took two to capitalize on his country's so it just became problematic so I think more importantly on this conversation it has to define a common ground walked from all talk people who blunt order before White. People don't feel like they found. Let me put it this way. I will say for why people who have yet to discover what is like to truly be white in America. I want this conversation in one people to not just listened to myself but even here from somebody wide to understand that for one. There's more pardon than what you think than anything that you do. That's one too because of that. You have legitimately the opportunity to of the facilitating kind of have to break the system saying that your history is the reason why can't get to? I can be APP because granted it. It plays a big part of. It is like you weren't there. I can't blame you but although that may be case you still had more powered outside of people coming together if we if I guess my my ultimate thing especially living in America if if we are going to blame the Supreme Championship of of Unity. Everybody has to understand what they're what they're going to begin to realize that he can add. Why like you have an opportunity to overthrow an infrastructure that literally protection. And I think that's the scariest part of why people don't understand for the ones that do understand. I think the most dangerous wasn't wasn't to understand don't watched like wanting to understand the I can call. You can see how people especially his recent surge of white people calling the police on black or minority people and you can see them intricately. Go in. I won't will can troubled his whiteness. Like Dude you've now put yourself in this jurisdiction of identify myself as white. I know because I live in America that because of my wife. I don't have to worry about getting I can slip through the cracks initially all these of squeezing Leonard peasy like is this is going to be easy peasy let's SIMP- as so I guess specifically for me as kind of like ended in is nice because congressman transition into my next question. And that's what or I guess for me. Talk to me about Nadia discovered. Your wine as of now kind of like where you're at in this play your life outside witching talk to me about the ways you take the responsibility of go right because. I think that had out said the combative issue because a lot of people don't WanNa take responsibility because they'd be like it's too much or it's it's really not my fault because I never never lived in that time on I Remember Tommy. Lawrence said this on her twitter. She's like no just staying at Was it it was I'm paraphrasing paraphrase. But she basically saying no such thing as well he was basically saying that it's just funny. How country of hardworking people and yeah? We're trying to give handouts to black people because we have no control of a hundred years ago in people realize that June teeth just passed and that was us go. Yeah that's it when like six hundred wasn't like five hundred when or height with little bit years ago. My grandma was. My grandma was live or grandma was young at the time that she will go into that number grandma but her parents and then energy like you know like it's just so interesting that as soon as you don't time until the fact that everything's dislike can't forget about bill claim you can't get up forget about. Nixing can't forget about any of this because it's still a part of the infrastructure so kind of going back into it drives lawn but I said tell me dwane because he already spoke to each way. What An. How'd you realized what that meant as want this opportunity to take this opportunity and it's time to give the audience does the scope of what it took for you to take that responsibility the F. I would say that it's a super easy thing to do Although it comes with consequences in reflection like it it is pretty simplistic at its core in. It's just like a simple kind of set of acknowledgments rate so I can acknowledge that My grandfather emigrated here so my family had nothing to do with slavery and I can say that but then I also need to say okay based on the way to I look at face value just like we take people of color that I am allowed a different lifestyle because of my white body and it's not to make another claim besides saying that life has given whiteness a different set of advantages. Although I didn't choose to be white I can accept and acknowledged those great because then when I start to do that it shows that someone else is being harmed right if I'm being rewarded. That's coming from someone else's pain so then. How can I fix that? Because let me tell you. My family raised me that I was not the center of anybody's universe and that I wasn't better than anybody else in in any room where I felt like I was smarter than everybody. There was someone there that was absolutely smarter than me and I think that mindset has just been like my biggest motivator is like okay so if I was born into this body with these privileges I better use these privileges for a damn good reason and I think taking that accountability like we had kind of talked about earlier when I was having a conversation with my mom and it was like a a a weird kind of idea for her Not just not thinking about it that most people don't have to think about it and I think that's what I know that your encouraging people to do and I'm absolutely encouraging people to do is just reflect on yourself. I mean I'm not asking you to go out and protests like I'll be out there doing that floor you but just have a moment of self reflection of what systems you have taken advantage of at someone else's expense even know that you've done this. Maybe unknowingly now that you do know how are we going to fix it? So that becomes more even like. That's what we want to do with gaining these great ideas is applying them and making. These ideas means something in these. Reflections means something that by taking responsibility and accountability for my whiteness. I'm able to kind of clear the stage for now people of color to come up and they don't have to fight right. It's one less white person that they have to be on the lookout for that to be then like okay now. Someone is seen what I've known forever and I think like that was the biggest thing is is that for white people like this is new having to think about their whiteness. Being called out on their whiteness people have color people of color have faced in America since the beginning of time having to justify who they were. And I'm glad that that has shifted and now people have to justify their whiteness that they get called out on their privilege. I I like that. I think that's fair coming from a white person. I think that's fair. And so I guess for me specifically this is where I would say I guess with lung because so listen in what you said. Initially you know this implicit and so I I I. I personally would enough that you say these things that I can take it for face. I know she knows. I know we talked about the other day. I had the conversation and same. You're one of the people die for the cause everybody's trying to strategize trying to figure out what how to feed the enemy all your head. I would spear on Flyer. You're just running down the heels. Ray that on the battle other people and I guess and I put this in two ways because I can only assuming guests so much as far as what would make difficult for why people you ask a white person for one. I want you to figure out. Why is it so difficult for them to accept what the state of fair is as far as like because of your wife is because you're white privilege and history they build upon American literally can just put minimal to a small on effort? Or whatever you do in life. Ain't you have this tremendous advantage versus like you said it is simplicity. I think it's very simplicity to the point where it can. It can literally change. The whole dynamic in the infrastructure of all America wears like everybody gets fairness. Everybody gets the same equal opportunity. But I want to ask you personally to touch a by. What makes it so difficult about wanting to condo accepted or take responsible so an honestly and this is when I mean it's simplistic i. I WANNA say that intentionally. Because it's not simplistic right to change racist structures but it is simplistic to change your way of thought and have empathy if we make that seem like. It's a difficult process but it's hard to care for other people that we don't know then it's going to remain difficult process. That's easy that's natural and I think like that's something that I want to make sure people understand is that it is easy to change your way of thinking to make it more open. It's difficult to realize the things about yourself. It's difficult to look at yourself in the near that. You have to deal with the guilt of taking advantage of things at someone else's expense that's difficult but that change in thinking that is easy. It's like quitting cigarettes. Even though it's you know it's the better decision and it's gotTa be difficult but it was easy to make that that I okay. I'm GONNA do it. It's the same thing again. It comes with sacrifice and reflection but that change of thinking in that empathy can be easy but I know like something that I would say in America especially that keeps it. Difficult are a couple of things like the first is capitalism. If you are fed a mentality that you should Pull yourself up by your bootstraps. That like life gives people who work hard if you believe in that capitalistic mantra will. You're gonNA cling to your whiteness right. That's what that's what prides that. That's what fuels that is up. They were hard working. You know like we went through it. It was hard for us. This is what we experienced all of those things. I think that is the biggest issue with like when that mantra isn't still in people's mind they don't want someone else to have more than them right. They haven't earned it and I think that is a huge issue in the states. And the second is like we've been made to fear one another like we've been made to fear having conversations about race like it just is like. I don't know I analyze. Facebook comments a lot On news articles. Especially and I like scroll them to see like what people respond so like the video that happened in Phoenix and about the couple. Whose daughter had that Barbie doll I was reading the comments on that because I want to understand that too. I WANNA understand why I can see the world one way and then someone else feels very strongly on that. That person should have just listened to the police and everything would have been fine and some of that is I think who lack of interaction and I know that is like such a cop out things to say but you don't surround yourself with people that are different than you like. How are you and you don't have conversations and you don't understand how like those things effect like. How are you going to know if you don't have that exposure? I mean I think that's why it's important to exceed media that's highlighting people of color for these movies to come out almost like I don't know like shock people into realizing that people are different than them. I just think of you know like these people with these very narrow mindsets and how impossible it seems that you could dehumanized someone so much. But we're I mean we're watching. It happen down at the border. So easy for people to just get humanize. Someone and I would say. The biggest like anecdote to the whiteness to the race to everything is acknowledgement empathy. Like that is how it's going to get solved like we need to acknowledge okay. There'd be systems in place that favor whiteness over other groups and then empathy Holy Shit. What are we going to do for these groups? And how can we make things better and like you're talking about the The repercussions for slavery. Why wouldn't we do that so I think that is so complicated? How do we talk about this an hour long? Podcast you know well like I said I think this is. Why is one of the reasons like I said why building there's more of us out there than it is? Look as far as those who just WANNA say or placing or want to continue their power to dehumanized grading and marginalized people And so for me for me in. I know this one thing that absorbency to see much. Jim was just having this conversation. I think that's one of the biggest thing and grey like I said we have got optics on our system. But we're still have compromised. We are still struggling. Have Competition Situation. Where a lot of people a lot of black people that I know it's black and white and not necessarily goes a lot of people just aren't buying into that way not a choice for some people you know for most Pialat for other. They can be curious body they came dabbled with. There's people will born just that way in. This is where they are and sometimes it becomes difficult. Because are you trying to you know? Put Your sock. There necessarily an our leisure like whatever the case may be. But it's it's an opportunity to wear as long as the other colleges but I've I said I think a lot of people and and this is why just feel like is different for each perspective. A spot that's why I specifically asked you what these questions spent. You have a white person so I think Kind of wrapping it up with this. Last question is what are some of the ways you feel that people can or like learn from a like how they can take the steps to understand what's going on coast like for myself when it comes to the black community and Mike for for one dollars a lack of financial education so one of the way that we'd learn from that is reading books going teams free school at South surrounding ourselves with people are wealthy both the academic legal and or because again a lot of stereotypes initiatives that we know how to Juggle basketball representatives were snuggled raw just. That's just not car box like we're just not in that. We're just not set up to that industry that so or like getting people such cloudy with a look like as yeah as a the issue so I guess this last part for you to wrap it up is to ask or ask you how why people want to help wants to be a part of the what of the steps of it's GonNa take to one recognize the whiteness to Kind of help. Become an ally in assists to it and the reason why he's allied. Because I don't want to be this I for sure don't want to capture and be like white saver. Call now to get enough of that. That's definitely not peace but I also want this to be that there's nothing wrong with having assisted certain degrees nowadays. So what do you? What are some of the steps to for you as wipers and so for me like things that I try to do is like bring these elements of like things that I'm passionate about into different sectors of my life so a thing when I got into real estate was that people of color have way less access to information on home-buying and how easy it is and like all of these? Why is there this lack of home ownership these different groups of color so then it was to me like okay now? I need to make my real estate about education and empowering people I don't WanNa make decisions for them but I want to give them the empowerment to look at the resources and just make it accessible as successful to everyone else so I think like something that I strive to do is to use my platform in ways that I can empower other people and celebrate other people and that to me is like the biggest shift Tomorrow I'm check in because I'm doing a big call out for everybody who lives in easy to start taking Spanish classes starting in August If we're going to live on Mexican lands we should surely know how to speak the language so I think just making yourself accessible to people of color like obviously you and I are able to talk about these things because we were willing to talk to each other about them and I think we need to normalize the fact that it's not weird were bad or vindictive to have conversations about race and for me to ask you what it's like to be a black man in America because I don't know great just like you don't know what it's like to be a white woman in America and I think when we acknowledged that that we can like gain so much knowledge from one another and that the way that I can advocate. You advocate for you. Best is supporting you as you advocate for yourself and I would say that would be the biggest takeaway when it comes to how. How is your whiteness in a good way? It's not advocate on behalf of somebody else but it's too you know. Did on all fours and let them stand on your back so more people can hear them speak. That is a great way to kind of rough. So I like I said I think for the audience. Wrap this I just want people to understand it and I guess it's just the optimism in myself that they're they're always ever be an opportunity to be able to make change just got a surround yourself. I think one of the one of the key things out of this entire discussion that you pointed out and I thought I feel quite I feel quite happy about it Especially our Aaron State and being match program and leaving a lot of what we are dealing with and talking about is shared experiences but in order to haggle shared experiences. You gotTA experience. I and I think they're an income. You may such and intricate point There is a lack of like there are people who just never twelve in that space before and because of Vegas assumed especially when you start at the other factions and other issues of like how media representation or financial weather. Whatever the case may be if people for me I'm I uses. Catholic applauded by that. And I guess though have more issue with saying Pos just like if you have yet to experience it then you had necessarily the comment on it. And that's just I guess our go ask and learn from their perspective. Go listen to someone or even I just feel like personal even ask you. You're doing it can only get you so far to experience. Like I don't know what it's like to skydive out of the plane until skydiving out his like she fight against the bear fighting against like a lot of people don't know what his live to be. Fred arm somebody different than you to you. Refrain subotic different to and I think that's the underlying dilemma. Because for majority of people we come so tit with our comfort zone that by interacting with anybody else that is gonNa destroy whole phone sweatless not the case especially if you feel as if your goal is to grow. Ask a person if you want to go abroad expand more into what it is wildlife you have to whether it is moving toward a stay whether curious lots such loud. Give yourself an opportunity and I think learning about in teaching very viable to because they can get an understanding of what that perspective means by oatmeal atmosphere. Like until you experience it but I never knew how hot Arizona was going to her summer. Like my mom's like I will be that bad. Then we was on twenty five and everything was Melchior. Shoes are melting. My face was falling off my eyeballs. Just unless it's a small thing we have from time to time but that's a small experience but just never know what what is what was out dig. Never know what's GonNa what's GonNa Happen to screen so a lot of my friends those kind of going off subject but you know if you want wildlife you gotta go out expect but if you want to so no one was like to be manager out of business if you WANNA know what. It's like to say if you WanNa know what What is like to live on the third world countries as like literally how to take and like if it fails that honestly that's better than having a successful they spheres you learn more from failing in can keep but failing like am. I. I guess this is of weird. You know my history and like however dot to this point. I've failed so many times and I just was so I fell. I fell sort. I've wanted short with so many males that I know that if I keep working at it that he like there was to see like like I said I avenue Goff remember China. Lara's first trying to get to know. My First Undergrad scheme and I tried. Tcu Try ball state. I tried BRASSICA. I've tried I've tried all these types. Also the also polk. It'll a great one averaging eight. They're not they're not equipped through and then I kept trying and my. I accept his outdoor state universities. Hvac and my second except except was greatly university. Which is Martin which now my modern like if I would have just given up and just stop having the opportunity to experience but that fairfield that discovered felt like. I don't think we honestly I don't ever be. I don't think this podcast we to allow. Yeah I think you're right like you have to take responsibility for your own experiences. I think that's what it comes down to so excited to last for normally alcohol and so what I will do is is prayer and just because I want to give good five different in higher part of Harvard and I just feel like sometimes people just need to hear this to understand that they're not alone so I'll kinda gave me so dear. Lord God of peace who has taught us that he returning and breast. We shall be saved in quietness and confidence. Shot the our strength of your spirit. Linda's prayed sheer presence where he may be still and know that you are gone and so with that that has been another stomach handled so thankful honored for my guess to be Honest Day's episode this will be available shattered eight twelve. Pm Central Time So live on east coast. That's like two. Am we live in Mount Time or Pacific nights ten o'clock so clubs law PM Central. This episode will be available on the anger happened on streaming services. You will see duopolies at the nature. But until then I want to say thank you to my guests. Mary on out the time. Like loss of words politic by and were able to have the time to have this recorded do this with me. Senate any last thoughts they while you inviting leading this conversation with you and I'm so proud of you for doing this. I I feel calm so humbled that I get to have someone in my life that is trying to create such big change and you inspire me frequently so thank you thank you thank you and I. I'm so thankful for you to get to do this with you so proud. I can't wait to be listening to this for years Any any life updates on the verge of winning an Oscar. She'd been she's been in this place she's been killing. I haven't been able to visually see it tired there but just to to the bottom. I know that she's killing. I'd kind of energy. 'cause she is killing it. She is uptown. She's phenomenal person. Any LIFE UPDATES. Anything like anything. That's out there that you want to give to the People Kado what to expect. Yeah I think I'm excited to so many things like this so exciting right now. It's very transitional I'm in the process of moving. Everything is in full swing with my job lights and academic life and but I think the really big life updates. I'm so excited to share. I'm about to come out with a whole guide. let's kind of surrounding like the home buying process and making all of that attainable. I'm super proud of that. To try to get especially young people into homes and to make investments and set themselves up excited about that and then I'm excited to to invite a have belief four friends right now. That are taking a Spanish class with me. Offered at the Community College. I'm starting in August yet. Seems like an important way that we can serve our local communities right now and especially help with our most vulnerable. That are so close to us. So I'm excited for that too. I guess call to Action. Go do something you see something do something. Yes and on that note. We are took me out. I'll see is next week.

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ep20 Your Congregation Needs You

"This, podcast at. Is An effort to help you realize. That Christians are called and sent to share the gospel of Jesus Christ. And Minister to the needs of others in their congregation. With their congregation including. Everyone thing me. Everywhere, along life's journey. topper tuna. twisty. Your congregation. You. Do. You ever desire your life to be a blessing. The lives of people. You know you could do more. Be More to help others. But feel like you don't believe you have what it takes in a way of time. Money. And abilities to adequately. Minister to others. As Christians. We are one with the body of. Christ. Helping other Christians is helping us also. As, we are all in the same. Body of Christ. In the Bible. and. The book of Romans Chapter Twelve. Verse Five. Reads as follows. So we. Being many. Are One body in Christ. And every one. Members. One of another. End, of quote. When you begin to realize that our congregation of Christians. Is. Not just a particular denomination. That mates in a specific location. But our congregation. Encompasses. Every Christian. Everywhere. Your everyday encounters with other people. What take on new meaning and purpose? I like being. And the largest congregation of believers. That congregation made up of every, Christian. Everywhere. and. It's not just Christians that need your help. Showing. The world. Whether they are Christians, are not. They, love and compassion of Christ in us. By helping them. Will be an example of Christ. In us. Providing US OPPORTUNITIES TO SHARE The gospel of Christ. With. Others. Because of our Christian example. You rarely can go very far as you travel onus earth. Until you meet someone. Needing a helping hand. For the a Christian. A member into body of Christ. Or? Someone we can share the gospel of Christ with. A good thought to have. When helping others? Is The wisdom and the following quote by Booker T. Washington. Who lived from eighteen, fifty six To nineteen. Fifteen. Was An American author. Educator. Or her and adviser to several presidents of the United States. If you want to lift yourself up. Lift up someone else. End of quote. Christians. Have many examples in the Bible, how we are to minister to others. One of those biblical examples. How we are to Minister to there's is found in a book of Matthew. Chapter Twenty Two Versus thirty five to forty. which reads as follows. Then one of them, which was a lawyer. Ask Him a question. Tempting Ham. And saying. Master. which is the great commandment in the law. Jesus said unto him. Thou Shalt Love The Lord God with all the heart. And with all I soul. And with all the mind. This is a first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it. Thou shalt love THY neighbor. As thyself. On these two commandments, hang all the law and the prophets. End of quote. To people can be in the same situation. But see things differently. It's all about how you perceive your circumstances. It's your perspective. That makes refreshing lemonade out of Sour. Lemons. And Bible at a book of patience. Chapter. Two. Verse Ten. Reads as follows. For we are his workmanship. Created in Christ, Jesus unto good, works? which God half before? Ordained That we should walk in them. End of quote. In this same verse In Fijian's chapter two verse ten. From the EPA fide version of the Bible. Reads as follows. For we are his. Workmanship. His own masterwork. A Work of art. Created. In. Christ Jesus. Reborn from above. Spiritually transformed. Renewed Ready to be used. For good works. Which God prepared for US beforehand. Taking pass which he said. So that, we would walk in them. Living. The good life. which he prearranged and made ready for us. End of quote. Once you have the perspective that we. Ask Christians. Created in Christ Jesus to do good works. Already prepared for us. Along pass already set for us. We'll increase your confidence to take advantage of every opportunity to serve. Others. As we travel down life's highways and byways. Our paths. Have already been. Set Alone those paths. Many opportunities. For Good Works Helping people. Once you get this perspective That We. Or created in Christ Jesus. For good works. Prepared along paths. Already set. Then you know that there are many people. Along Our paths. that. Are In. Our pauvres for a purpose. It's a two way street. Sometimes as you're going down your path. Your everyday routine. There will be others. With the perspective. They are created in Christ Jesus. To do good works already prepared and already arranged for them. And you'll realize. You've been blessed by them. Even as you're looking to bless others. Wants you high thin. Your sensitivity far compassion for others. Your words. The. And actions. Done and compassion. For All the right reasons. But make a difference for the better and people's lives. Where you cared enough to help and encourage. It's estimated that about. Eighty one percent of Americans do not belong to a church. Odds are great. that. As you're out and about and your daily Walkin life. That most people you come in contact with. Have No. Affiliation with. Any church. Why not take the attitude. That you're here to minister. And the people you come in contact with. All your congregation. With some people you see often. Be Your regular congregation. Thanking of it this way will always provide you. A congregation to minister. To. Those with like minded thinking. Will, many times. Even minister to. You. We asked, Christians are sent once. Sent to Minister to others. In the Bible. In the Book of Glaciers Chapter Two. Verse Twenty. READS AS FOLLOWS I. Am Crucified with Christ. Nevertheless I live. Yet not I. But Christ. Live in me. And the life which I now live in the flesh. I. Live. By the faith of the son of God. Who loved me? And gave himself for me. And of quote. Imagine. Christ? Live in us. And, we're to, DO, the work of Christ. In the words of Jesus found in the Bible. It a book of Luke Chapter Four. Versus eighteen and nineteen. or S follows. The spirit of the Lord is upon me. Because he half a at me. To Preach the Gospel to the poor. He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted. To preach deliverance to the captors. And recovering sight to the blind. To set at liberty them. That are bruised. To preach. The acceptable year of the. Lord. End of quote. Christians are the hands and feet of Jesus. The Apostle. Paul. said in a Bible. Into Book. Of Circuit Thins. Chapter Three. Versus two through. Three. The following. You. Are Our a pixel. Written in our hearts. Known and read by all man. Clearly, you are an Epistle of Christ. Minister by US. Written not with ink. But by the spirit of the Living God. Not, owned tablets of stone. But on tablets of flesh. That is. Of the heart. End of quote. We as Christians are the cold ones. The sent wants to Bay and a pistol of Christ. To our neighbors. Our Co Workers Our family. And to all those we have contact with in this world. I hope by now. You beginning to get the message I'm trying to share with you. That message is that you are here to minister to others. And Your congregation are all those in the world. That you come in contact with. It's a wonderful thing to know. That you have the opportunity. To serve others everywhere. Not just an a congregation specific people. In a specific location. Your congregation of people you minister to is not limited to just one church. One location. But the congregation of people you minister to Is everyone that got places before your path. During your daily walk of life. This perspective. That year to Minister to people where ever you are in your life. Provide you limitless opportunities. To Minister to others. And the Bible and book of John. Chapter One Versus six through seven. Reads as follows. If, we say that we have fellowship with him. And walk in darkness. We lie and do. Not The truth. But if we walk into light. As he is in the light. We have fellowship one with another. And a blood of Jesus Christ. His son. Cleanser. US, of all sin. End of quote. It's in relationship with the body of Christ. That we encourage each other. And filled each other. Known the body of Christ is not just a local congregation. In one place in the world. But body of Christ is made up of every believer. Everywhere. provides. Opportunities for you to Minister to your congregation. With your congregation. Being all those you come into contact with. To Minister to ask Christians. Body of Christ. Artists share the message of the cost of Jesus Christ. To those that have not accepted Jesus Christ. As their Lord and Savior. It's easy to come up with many excuses. Why you would neglect. To Minister to others. Cheering your travels through life. especially. Minister to random strangers. It may even be you don't feel worthy enough to minister to others. Just, know that everyone. Is Not Perfect. Not You. And not the ones you'll be ministering to. A quote. By the Russian novelist Leo Tolstoy. Spelled. B. O.. T. O. L.. Sto Why Reads as follows. And? Arrogant person considers himself. Perfect. This is a chief harm of arrogance. It interferes with a person's main task in life. Becoming a better person. End of quote. Truth is. With your imperfections. You'll be a better witness and help to others. Rather than having an arrogant. Better than thou attitude. When helping others Just, be yourself. Help others when you can. And do it with the love of Christ. For All the right reasons. The attitude. Of the Golden Rule. Do. UNTO others. As you'd have him do unto you. Spoken about Jesus and the Bible. Invoke of Matthew. Chapter. Seven. Verse Twelve. which reads as follows. Therefore. All things whatsoever. Ye would. That men should duty you. Do Ye even so to them. For this is the law and the prophets. End of quote. As you travel in life. Bisher to minister to others. As you would want them to minister to you. If you were in their shoes. And remember the saying. Walk a mile in his moccasins. With this quote inspired by the following poem. Originally. entitled. Judge softly. With this poem now known as. Walk a mile in his moccasins. By. Mary t laugh rap. I spelled. M. A. R. Y.. Middle initial t and the last name. L. A. T. H. R. A. P.. And a year. Eighteen. Ninety five. Walk a mile in his moccasins. By Mary T. Laugh threat. Pray. Don't find fall with a man that limps. Are, stumbles along the road. Unless you have worn. The moccasins he wears. Are. Stumbled beneath the same load. There may be tears, his soles hurt. Though hidden away from view. The burden he bears placed on your back. May Cause you to stumble and fall to. Don't sneer at the man who is down today. Unless you have felt the same blow. That caused his fall. Are. Felt the shame. That only they fallen. No. You may be strong. But still the blows that were his. Unknown to you in the same way. May. Cause you to stagger and fall to. Don't be too harsh with a man that sins. Our pelt him with words are stone or disdain. Unless you are sure you have no sense of your own. And, it's only wisdom and love that your heart contains. For you know if the tip tres voice should whisper. To you. As it did to him. When he went astray. It might cause you to fall her to. Just walk a mile and his moccasins. Before you abuse, criticize and accuse. If for one hour, you could own find a way. To See through his eyes. Instead of your own Muse. I believe you'd be surprised to see. That you've been blind. And narrow minded even unkind. There are people on reservations and in get. WHO HAVE SO little. Hope. And little worry on their minds. Brother. there. But for the grace of, God, go you and I. Just for a moment. Slip into his mind and traditions. And see the world through. His spirit and is the before you cast a stone. Are Falsely judge his conditions. Remember to walk a mile in his moccasins. and. Remember. The Lessons of humanity. Taught to you by your elders. We will be known. Forever. By the tracks we leave? In other. People's lives. Our kindnesses and generosity. Take the time. To walk a mile. In his moccasins. Info. The. American singer and actor Elvis Presley. That lived from nineteen, thirty five. To Nineteen, seventy, seven. Sank a song back in early nineteen seventies entitled. Walk a mile in my shoes. Own Stage before he sang a song. Elvis Presley said. There's a guy who said one time. He said. You never stood in that man's shoes. Are saw things through his eyes. Are stood and watched with helpless hands. While the heart inside you dies. So, help your brother alone the way. No matter where he starts. For the same God. That made you made him to. These men? With broken hearts. End of quote. My father was born in the year nineteen, twenty six. Journey, those years. Of Elvis Presley's fame. In the fifties, sixties and Seventies. The older generation. Having grown up in the pre. Rock and roll era. Thought of Elvis as a rock and roll. Star. It was not until. My father toured. Elvis. Presley's home. Named graceland in. MEMPHIS Tennessee. Did he realize Elvis Presley also saying? Many. Christian songs. including. Christian Gospel. Songs. It was at a point. During my father's visit to. Graceland. Hearing Elvis Presley Christian. Songs. That he became a fan of Elvis. Presley. Having admiration for his singing Christian songs. I share this story with you. As things are not always as simple. As you might think. Elvis Presley was widely criticized. Perhaps, even judged by people. As being part of the rock and roll culture. Running. The young generation. But upon closer study. You find it wrong to judge others. As illustrated this partial coot. By Elvis Presley. which reads as follows. You never stood. In that man's shoes. Are saw things. Through his eyes. Of quote. I wanted to share with you this story. About how my father viewed. Elvis. Presley. Much differently. After, knowing more about him from his visit. To Elvis Presley's home. Graceland. In Memphis Tennessee. I also think. We all we'll view people much differently. Once we get to know them. Knowing. They are not perfect. And have needs and wants. The same as we all. Are Not Perfect. And have needs and wants. Once you turn on your compassion radar. Heaven you connect with people. That, need love and help. Along your travels through your life. You get better. At knowing who? How And Win, to. Minister to others. As you know. I have a podcast which you're listening to right now. Try to keep business cards on me. If I made a person I feel my benefit from podcast. Website. Or Youtube Channel. I give them my business card. Having basic information. Such as my. Website address. Name phone number and email address. It's not a must. You should have a business card. But if you want to reconnect with someone. Or you have something you'd like to share on line. A business card is a handy tool to leave with some on. My website. Opportunity or Also, tells about several Christian ministries helping children. If someone felt called to help out with one of the children's ministries on my website. A business card is very helpful to provide them. So, they can learn more. About the children's ministries. And hopefully. Be Able to help. The Christians. Children Ministry somehow. To make a difference. For the voter in a child's life. Can Be one of the most rewarding things you've ever experienced. There are several. Children's ministries own our opportunity dot org website. Offering you the opportunity to sponsor a child. Monthly. One of the ministries is. Ambassador. To The nation's Clear you can sponsor a child. For only ten dollars monthly. Where that ten dollars provides. A. Christian education. And other basic needs. In a Christian School In Nicaragua South America. In. Episode twelve of this opportunity podcast. It provides information. About this children's ministry ambassadors to the nation's. Another children's ministry is keenum lighters children's center. School and orphanage. Where you can sponsor. A child for thirty five dollars monthly. To provide a Christian school. In a home. For the school children that are orphaned. Kingdom Lighters Children's, ministry. In Uganda. Africa. Currently has over seventy children. They provide a Christian School for. With about one third of the children being orphans. That are provided a home. As well as a Christian school. They can. Educate And House a child. For thirty five dollars monthly. There go is to have each child sponsor. FOR THIRTY FIVE DOLLARS MONTHLY? So their school. Food and housing needs will be met. If you feel like you just are not making a difference in someone's life. Sponsoring a child oil truly. Be a blessing not only for the child. But for you. To, learn more about these two children's ministries. Click on the donate button. At our opportune no. Dot. Org website. You may think you have nothing to give away of money or resources. The most valuable thing you can give someone is your time. We're in a money driven society. There are many things. You can share with others much more valuable than money. You can share and teach your talents and gifting 's. Provide, a word of encouragement. Offer, some on a plan. Where they can take action to get. To where they want to go. Help them with a task. They cannot physically complete themselves. Provide them something you have they need. That you can get by without using. EXCETERA. EXCETERA If you have compassion for others. Only to help for the right reasons. I know you'll learn to recognize. What you can offer. And wind to offer. Sometimes I need is so apparent. You just know to help. In the Bible. Story. Told by Jesus. In a book of Luke. Chapter Ten. Versus Twenty Five Through. thirty-seven. Is a story of a traveler. That was attacked by robbers. Beaten stripped of close. Half dead and left alone the roadside. A priest comes by. And ignores the plight of the man. And Walk sewn by. Next. Fight comes by. And also ignores the plight of the man. And does not help. And then. A Samaritan walks by. And notices the man. Beaten. Almost to death and stripped of clothes. And proceeds to care for his wounds then places him his donkey. And takes him to an end. And pays the innkeeper to care for him. And said if more fun is needed for the man's care. He'll pay the innkeeper upon his return journey. Toward the end of this story told by Jesus. I. Quote. Jesus this. Question. Found in Luke. Chapter Ten. I thirty six. which now of these three? Thanks thou. was. NAPER. UNTO, him. That fail among the thieves. End, of quote. Of course, among the three. The priest. Levi. Are the Samaritan. The right answer. To who was neighbor? Was the Samaritan. Who saw a need and helped? I share this story by Jesus. With you just election. Oh, that many times it's just a matter of recognizing A. And using common sense to help someone. The same way you would want someone to help you. If you were in the same situation. When you think of the entire world as your congregation to administer and serve. then. Everyone. Comes your neighbor. and. We are to be a neighbor unto them. Just as the good. Samaritan wasn't neighbor to the traveller. That was robbed. Beaten. stripped of his clothes and left half dead. Along, side of the road. It's not a mushed. But. I. Found that being able to GIF something. Even as simple as a business card. To. Someone is helpful. Especially helpful. For they might want to follow up with you. Are Check out your website. Etc.. I keep my business cards simple. Having. The name of my website. A sentence telling about my website. Then have my name phone number. Email address. And let them know a have a podcast and YouTube channel. The larger the tie. And least amount of information is sometimes the best way to design a business card. It's convenient for me to share my website. PODCAST. Youtube Channel Plus, my contact information. Just by providing someone my business card. For someone homeless. Down on their luck. You might consider researching. Great places in the area that help the homeless. And simply have business cards. With, the names. Addresses and phone numbers. Of reputable local ministries helping the homeless. An hand the homeless card. So they know where to get the help they need. Sometimes the most help you can give a homeless person. is to provide them reputable. Resources. Already in place. Where they can get the help they need. I was able to have someone experienced in helping the homeless. To provide reputable. Good sources. that. Lend a helping hand. And List though sources only business card. And when there are homeless and need. Provide them a business card. That, will provide. Sources of reputable help. Locally. A great place to order business cards on line is. VISTA PRINT DOT COM that spelled the S. T. A. P.. R. N. T. Dot. com. This podcast. Episode. Is Effort to help you realize. That Christians are called and sent to share the gospel of Jesus Christ. And Minister to the needs of others in their congregation. With their congregation including. Everyone they me. Everywhere. Along Life's journey. I'll close this message with the words of Jesus. Found in the Bible and book of Mark Chapter. Sixteen. Verse Fifteen. which reads as follows. And he said unto them, go ye into all the world. And Preach the Gospel to every creature. in-depth. Oh. That's all for now please visit our website. Opportunity Dot Org. That's spelled O. P. O. RT own. Dot O. R. G.. Thank you. and.

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Cultivating Clarity and Confidence with Christelle Biiga

Inspiration and Spiritual Awakening from Live. Love. Engage. with Gloria Grace Rand

43:44 min | 3 months ago

Cultivating Clarity and Confidence with Christelle Biiga

"You're listening to the live. Love engage podcast on today's show. We're gonna talk about the first step you can take towards building trust with yourself stay tuned. I am gloria graceland. Founder of the love method and author of the number one amazon best-seller live love engage how to stop doubting yourself and start being yourself in this podcast. We share practical advice from a spiritual perspective on how to live fully. Love deeply and engage authentically so you can create a life and business with more impact influence and income. Welcome to live love engage now must stay and welcome. Live love engage. I am gloria grey sarande. And today we're going to be talking about clarity and confidence through spirituality. And i have a wonderful guest on the program today. Whose name is crystal biegel. And i'm gonna tell you all about her and why she is an expert on that in a moment but i welcome to live love engaged style. Thank you so much for having me. I'm very happy to be to be. I'm definitely overjoyed to have you. Because we we met recently and And had a through another event and then we had a follow. Colin was like. We are in so much alignment. I love this woman so let me tell you why says she is a former corporate executive. Tv host turned personal alignment coach podcast host host and inspirational speaker and she grew up in a strict up religious environment filled with judgment intolerance in division and her relationship with her dad suffered because he had different views on spirituality than she did and by the time he passed away they were barely in contact and at age twenty seven. She decided to abandon all that she'd been taught all that she knew and embrace. The unknown in that journey lead her on a spiritual path. Where unconditional love and freedom are the only reality and today as a spiritual expert. She helps female entrepreneurs leverage spirituality gain clarity and confidence from within and her clients. Love the way she makes. Their wildest dreams feel reachable and easy to achieve and she's also an expert speaker. Of course. I've mentioned she's has her own podcast. And that is called absolute alignment with christel wherein. Success feels easy and it's on transformation. Talk radio and i was honored recently to be a guest on her podcast and You definitely need to check it out. Because she's got a lot of she's been you've been talking to a lot of interesting people and Doing some doing it live now. Which is more than. I've i've done yet. I'm not. I'm i'm still recording these podcasts but maybe maybe later in twenty twenty one. We'll go live. I'm not sure so. I thought we would start off by talking a little bit about. Why is it so challenging for people to create the life they want. Basically is answered simple when you say out loud it sounds simple but for some reason is really challenging for people it puts on know what they want. Good i see when you speak with cons. Usually you ask them what they want. You know they come saudi okay. I can't figure out why can't reach this goal Trying so hard. But i can't seem to get anybody and you ask what you want. What they're trying to achieve in their name. You think some people tell you. I'm not sure. I think but the bottom line is people really don't know what they want defense challenge. Because if you don't know the final destination chances are you struggle to find your way they right if you would your gpa. In the car. And you just said take me to a nice place. Those in no way that sulfurous by endo spending hours and hours joining around ueno witch. So that's why it's so difficult for people to actually create what you'd want because they don't know clearly wanted is that sometimes. They think they do know what they want. But when you go deep go you realize that. They thought that's what he wanted. One that then michel is a story about myself on on bats. When i was going thought being a doctor it was my dream now. I had no plan b hat to doctor right and i was studying indeed all cool to go to medical school back in cameroon and was so challenging. I think every country is not easy to get into medical school right. So i didn't fast exam and i was devastated. I was so depressed like slow. Few days at break die best how body was and when i went out came out of that depression doing other things and curious ago when a move the us after going to spirit Best not any realized that that dream was never mind. When i was growing up. My mom used telling me that. I had it nanny when i was a baby that every time she would take me to the doctor to come so excited because she was in love with my biggest issue save christa. Be just like that doctor. She would wear the blouse like her. She walk like her and my new baby. So conscious mind to dining for mission and i thought it was mine but he most now solace shifting dream that was never mind. Dream was someone as his dream for me and today how many people. How many of at chasing a life. That is not our house so somebody do something on social media next to us in our family and all of a sudden we make our to do the same but his injury want. Chances are if it's not your dream if it's not your goal is three not what you want. What you saw is calling you to do. But he someone else's you're struggling. You will find hot and you always wonder. But why is he not walking. I've done everything i've tried it. Oh you know how big this menu people coach eason bucks. This many causes. Why is it a walking. Maybe just maybe you're chasing the wrong trim so the first question east. What is that really want to do with your life. What is that you re trying to create. Your dream is really what you want. Always something that you took from someone. S from society. Maybe somebody told you. That's what you should do and you believe in that story may be. Somebody told that what you really want. That was too big for you so you decided to set up for what seemed achievable. So i think that's the biggest challenge facing when it comes to creating what it really won't be nice. Yeah absolutely i can understand and because it is when when we're young were so impressionable and i can see how you just took on. What she you know your nanny was talking about it and just probably seemed like yeah. Sure i'll be a doctor. That debt seems perfectly logical without ever really getting to figure out in your heart of hearts. Would it is that you really want to do. Why do you think it is that. So many people really lack clarity around this in other than that. They're taking on other people's is there any other reason why we're so you know unsure about how to be able to even figure out what it is we want. Yes because you had disconnected from ourselves. We are so disconnected from ourselves. That we are looking for answers outside of las vegas so that lack of clarity of what to do on a way to go. I don't know how is just coming from a place of misalignment with who really So we end up looking around looking for answers us outside but in truth is the answers are not outside all the house. You have in your mind right now. How do i get the okay now. I know what i want. But how do i get the. How do i make that happen. How do i create that. And you don't know you have no clarity around what last time somebody asked me thing. It wasn't during an interview was invited to speak on an event g sake jazz. So what is the step-by-step for me to get one. That's it disembowel. What question see are so disconnected from that. We don't know how would we forgot how often we are. So all of a sudden we expect people to tell us what to expect someone as to show us the so. I don't know what to do onto somebody tells us so. The lack of clarity is simply assigned that you had not connected with yourself. So comeback within yourself. Go back home all the answers. Can somebody support you and you know whole space for you. Yes of course but it has to come from you being in your power first because even the decision to choose the court to choose the program to buy something that we support your business so your life will relationship whatever is has to come from a powerful place of okay. I know what i'm doing. I'm going so this is exactly what i need at this moment. But he's not me from a dad disempowered place of lack of. I don't know what to do. You're going to buy anything and frustration. Because you would. I have done everything have tried everything. Why try everything because you lost you. Confuse and confusion. Just you not trusting yourself. Yes so disconnected from yourself that even when he was reading you. We all have that choice. I love to call the divide in educating us nichols a hundred percent human and haunted best send you vine disconnected from the divine soul at the human. That just want go by what our physical is. Seek with what our brain does and disconnected from that divine in edgy. Sometimes here which that needle voice guidi telling us to do something. But i'll bring sees like it's crazy doesn't make any sense we look with our is to find someone as that is doing the same and we don't see so we can't do that no we don't trust ourselves so we are going to. I don't know what to do and you have. The answer is coming from within yourself. And you don't trust that you don't even hear sometimes because you're so disconnected vessel. You walk around wondering what to do. How do i get well. When i don't know what to do. Best the issue with clarity. That's why we need to comeback too trusting ourselves to release ceiling to ourselves and coming from a powerful place and not expecting to answers to come from outside. Yeah absolutely what. What would be Maybe a first step that someone could take to be able to do that. Because especially if you're not used to trusting yourself you know someone listening to this could be like well. I don't even know how do i how do i do that. And it's like. I don't even understand because as you say it's like well you know i hear myself it's like It's it doesn't seem like. I should trust myself because as maybe leading me one direction and and i'm not sure that that's the right way to go. What would you say to. How would you help someone. Maybe just at least take one step in the right direction. Okay so the first thing is to be able to make the difference. Because as i said we're human in divine right to the humanities in the commission and you'll hey you have a conversation going on all the time we all know that we have people you know annually so the issue is that we static believing that we are our thoughts. We are what we think about it. Just not true. I there probably should be. I wanna give us to recognize that your thought a not you the thing that are going running through your mind i nut you because the reason why you see you say my thought is because he belongs to your thoughts belong to you. You are not your thoughts so when you have the conversation going on maybe you have a situation. You're looking for clarity. You want to know what to do from where you are right now. Snap out and look weak. Witness conversation happening in your mind really do that. It's possible it sounds crazy like that but you are not your thought. You can't disconnect yourself and watch the conversation with no judgment because there's no wrong right just a conversation happening because when you're Witnessing i'm listening to envision that i'm having with myself right now let me see. What's what i'm telling to myself. When you listen to that conversation you will be able to see where the truth is. Because we know the truth you find a sense within us east So when that conversation is happening usually we don this. We don't dislike week thing. We had convention. That's why we miss the point when we disconnect witness conversation were able now to see what is really going on when to stories amid up where illusions are running the show and where the truth needs to step in and take over okay. So that's the first thing really paying attention to our thoughts really being present in the moment again as the beginning. We're so disconnected that we don't be attention to what is happening with the now said. We're so focused in what is happening around us in the news in the wall and facebook that we don't know what is happening time to go back and when conditions stats Pleased i don't know what to do. How am i gonna get out of here. Watch that conversation at noel. Each that okay. I believe this but is this true. Is this really true. That i cannot do. This is adult. I don't know the answers and find you the answers. What will be the answer. Ubisoft that incest. We've come and sometimes don't expect i'm system right there when you're asking because again that's a lack of trust when you ask the question. Trust that answers would come and let it go and you will be amazed to see how the clarity the answers will come. Step-by-step chessy out there for people to show you will you elect to those types. Sometimes you be legged to check out. Somebody speaking on facebook and do something that needed to hear. Sometimes you leg to see somebody make an offer that will land in your spirit and you know this is what you need the move forward step by steps that travesty. We've come won't be connected with yourself that hits oh absolutely does and and and one other thing i would add to is one of the beauties of when you do start doing that and you start becoming more aware of those thoughts or at least in my instance. What i found is that there will be these thoughts. I will come in. And i'll be like okay. Thank you for sharing. But i i really think you know this is not in my best interest or or this is this is really a negative. Thought and that um yeah. I don't wanna do that anymore. I want choose something. That's more positive to do so. There there is hope for that That you this is a process and it does take It takes practice. Mike anything but it you can. You can start tuning into yourself a lot more easily. We mentioned at the top that You know i. I think part of what goes in gets involved with clarity is You know is because people are unsure and they don't know what's going on so what else can people do to really become more confident in themselves festival to you. Know say something. That may be surprising. We know a lot of people say that confidence comes from doing you know the more you do it the mock off again you become right. I will say just how this story confidence than inside game. Another story that somebody shared with us. She was a journalist host on official where she used to interview rockstars. Big names known around the walk. You have you know. They will have constant front of thousands of people and their kids and she every time she had to give you one of them when she will go in the know room before the interview to hide and we take a big because it was so big that jewish fast arrow always all of them those big stars big groups. That's asked a lieutenant disabled thing before the interview. I am just so skit. I am so scared. Those at point that sing in front of thousands and millions of people but now they are just going to be with her studio guessing. I am so skit after interview. With what how good If you go by oh you do more. Do we do more confident. You'll be called. Those people shouldn't have this kind of problems right. That's true not being men's singing and talking to people and having interviews but regardless still not confident about them showing off in front of camera and talking to people had no qualms students and they wanted after interview to know if they were good enough. Yeah that's interesting. And that's why i know that confidence doesn't come from his inside pm. The feeling of confidence of you being confidence to show up in your life or your business. Whatever you do comes from you knowing we comes from who you from you knowing that you would enough comes from knowing that the result doesn't mean anything about you. People are contradicted. Don't wanna show because they are afraid that if things don't go the way they talk or they want things to go it would miss something about them in that the analogue would enough mean that they are bad people would mean whatever story we have our on that right but the bottom line is we would feel like we're not good enough vessel And to show up what we think woven see at people into lacking after that are people to accept people going to approve me out. People going to understand me. That's why i say contra dancing inside game you have to hear the relationship set from member detroit of where you are because when you come from a place of knowing that i am good enough here now. I was born one the valuable good enough for everything. You don't need an evidence. You don't need any proof from your results resolve. We not change that truth. The truth is the truth. You bond with the result that made you come with enough. No you were bond wore the you were born with enough when you know that when you have that truth in grinding you you don't you don't have that lack of confidence because it doesn't matter what happens it will never change we saw. That's the first step besse process to have real confidence because confidence that you want to build by creating results by doing all on practicing mall. That confidence will be really affected. The day you will not have the results expected that confidence will be really hit when you will not be able to show up right right so your confidence relies on those things. That's not really strong confidence that comes from you know you are. That's confidence is an inside game. Absolutely yeah well. You're such a wise woman. You i wanna i wanna go back a little bit and really what what actually got you down this path and what what was it. Because i mentioned in the intro that you you decided to abandon all that you've been taught and all that you knew what was it. Was there anything in particular that really caused you to do that or or or what was it. That really sparked this spiritual journey. That you've been on saying i will not say was one particular instance but it was you know whole jersey. Let me right like little things in our lives usually hours. I am a free spirit right. I was always that child that wanted to own thing. But you know doesn't work that way in the world we're living in really doesn't and so you know i remember when i was a teenager. Skip includes a fasces not global. Do crazy things like Adjustable because. I didn't wanna be there monday through friday from this stems. It was just not in may to the same thing like that in descending into civil out i was feeling like i'm pitchy using will have gone to my parents until they of going to school every day know. Sometimes i just don't like it. They'll be like you out of your mind. You're still so. I'll have to skip another member one day. The guy that was studying the gibbs asked me. Why do you go in each time. You leave from yesterday home. He said he'd really essentially leave. School is just on. Mitch that had would grits and my parents will never suspect that something was going on. That's just to show that i'm never. I was never the person that fits in the system. Okay but i never i. I learned that had to height because nobody will accept the fact. That allen do my own thing i don't wanna be in the classroom and electic and when i don't feel like i don't know be there so i learned growing up that a hat to hide out and the fact that also went you know i mentioned in my bio. I grew up in a religious entirely. New you have any background with religion you know. There is a lot of fruits you know there is a lot of things shouldn't don't you cannot do because again you beloved. If if you do those things god will love you. You kind of have to act a certain way to beloved by god to accepted by god and lauded by goats so all of that gather assumption was just too much for this free spirit at once right So basically hours with enough to deserve the love acceptance. To have what i wanted because i wasn't enough an interesting how when we look around we see how many people just don't feel one of the left you really want. Just because of those stories that society can be. Religion can be anything so many rules. There is nothing wrong with votes but you just have to know and remember that. There is nothing wrong about your right. Sometimes the systems we are in in my case was mindy region. Makes you feel like there's something wrong with you have broken. You need to be fixed. You need to change in other fleet to deserve loaf or acceptance or the things you really want. And that's not the truth. And that's why i some point i just couldn't take it anymore. Plus the judgments. Those people are not good. Those people are good in again. Because i'm whispered. I i really want people to be who they are made for me to realize that i'm gonna system is telling me that input that. I'm not certain that don't believe in sutton gold all done pre way. We'd be punished for that. For as the and burn in hell it was just too much for me to take. It was just like why. Why can't they just be. Who the out why's it so bots right. I remember one day having this quiz conversation with god in you know what this is not okay. Nobody to tell you that about telling you that if this is how you roll if this is how you walk out church. I'm by going away. I am out of all of this. Because if you're telling me that the people that were born in india what about on the way they were born ended. Denver heard about the bible at all going to have just because they didn't bracing Okay i'm out. And i was see if you're going to send me to. Hello just because. I'm not going to church game if i'm not reading the bible again. That's and any few exists wound meet. Somebody wasn't crazy thing anyway. I left and it was a big drama. My mom she was arrested. It was i was greg my ground and whatever you know they use trades. You know you're going to remember it when go to bed. I was overweight. Right at that point i was going to that can anyway so fast forward. When i mostly the us senator job spiritual. Jenny looking god right. I was just finding looking for ways to be me looking for anything. That would allow me. Because i always knew that there was something spiritual about me that i wanted to understand better. I wanted to explore. Oh yeah. I knew that was something more than just my physical being. That's the show a new. But i wanted something that will not make me feel again. I always in church. Like cannot be. Because if i'm may have the answer if i'm being me out ever have that connection so no one any system so i was learning taking classes taking some programs. You know joining some classes to learn so stretch out to was allow me to have answers that i was looking for and during that journey at i didn't really want to hear in beating. Somebody mentioned the word. God was getting me so much was just like don mentioned that so anyway so during that journey i learned to heal from my wounds island to let go of all the all the anger because i realized that i needed that in my life i need to be out of that journey to understand better to be able to see you know to have a broader perspective perspective on thinks because sometimes we just one week. It's easy to judge way. But when you're onto obviously i've been on both sides. You have a bit of perspective so i. I realized that i needed that. Gen needed that to be able to let go to judgment. Because now i feel more connected to god because at some point i make make because i love. It's easier for me to call it. God sometimes Sauce it doesn't really mean anything to me. I'm the same way it doesn't mean you because identity acting is something wrong with that but whatever so because i know we all came to the place of realizing that we are not different. We are not separate We just had the region that we are and what we have fossey's those illusions is the systems put in place as human beings. The reason why we have systems is just keep people on the check. Montreal people free speech they out just have some issues with that but anyways i get so time some people needed to feel again control of the rights of the mass for some reasons that we don't have i don't know but anything for me now is letting people find their own ways. That's why i have no issue having walking all having a conversation with people at a christian even though the heavens issue with me. And i tell them i understand where you're coming from and i do because i i was there. Yes that's right. Yeah no that's why. I'm so grateful that i went to that fast because a house compassion. And i don't feel bad when did tell me the things because i understand that for them the coming from a place of love so i have no issue with that and i tell them i hear you and i know that we're coming from so i don't have an issue with that but i have friends that triggers them did on some one towards even told me one day i cannot have a friend discretion as to why she said it. Just wanna just pull up and she went on. Listen those people up. They don't mean back. Because i've been there so i know exactly where you're coming from. But according have maybe descent perspective pedic's winslet's and today i'm just in again my free space where whatever works for you. Whatever allows you to have that connection with the divine in you is for you. Just use that and love is the only language that did you find. A sense knows so every time we say things or we do things so make decisions. We always want to check within ourselves. Is it from a place of love of here. Because in general judgments i just assign oceanic that's serve when something looks different. We are afraid and judging and criticizing in pointing fingers because we have freight what if what if that thing that will have. What if whatever they're saying. I don't see what if they righted. I'm rob because they'll sell recycle show writer wrong would bad. We always want to separate when in reality we are one we offer that you find a sense and spanks lost let go of that illusion of right wrong good bad you know and just remember that things are people are just people we only on our own path different bath and it's okay. It's okay for people to think differently. Exc okay for people to speak different. It's for people to look differently ex. Okay s no reason why we should all look the same shooter order the same things up. Same things beauty indifference. Oh absolutely like. He'll be awfully boring. If we were all the same would be. It would be terrible so we really do need to appreciate all of the unique differences that we have and the unique talents and skills that we have and still understand as you say that we are still. We're still human beings with with a spiritual side to us. Absolutely one other thing. I wanted to ask you about. Is the work that you do so you you work with female entrepreneurs and what What is it that you like best about about doing doing that and helping them to really gain clarity and confidence and often mel entrepreneurs because i think entrepreneurship is beautiful life journey and i think the people that nothing you know george my body shinoda entrepreneurial but i'm just thinking entrepreneurial spirit assist Wanting mall right when in that place of you know. I'm going to take a chance because when you start a business wage and you know you joined entrepreneurship. Would you taking a chance strike. You want to leave. What feels safe to try something that about. You have no control of anna. Love that because that allows you. That's what the i central Issue life expand is lifestyle. Journey is not making money building. Business is who you become in the process of entrepreneurship of doing something out of scratch. I think it allows us to express our our creativity as as the creator that we are as we said previously we are. We are divine beings right so we are. We have this clear to side in us. That thing entrepeneurship allows us to express. That's why i love walking with female entrepreneurs and cement. Because i'm a woman if not we have been so conditioned by society by religion by everything to not be who we are. We always feel never enough always looking for vacation and keep mentioning love freedom and all about freedom one remain especially to support them in that. Space of you have wounded enough. You don't need to check boxes on objective of would know women can do. This woman cannot do that. Is okay kissel. We meant to be this. Way is not a gift for them to be that which out want to have them leave that conversation and take back ownership of detroit. The remember that they're good enough. They don't have to prove anything to anyone and sometimes really deep deeply-rooted any sweden steven award in twenty twenty one way. We missed you have to prove that. They're worthy so is so deeply rooted in women that that's why to women. Because i know spirituality is really want excrete itchy to re freedom right now. We're fighting for everything. We're fighting for social josie fighting for so many things that within the fight. He's outside but we fredo again. As everything has been assess. So i really want. I love walking with freeman to have them in that journey of remembering the tour of the before the system changes before the loss changes before deport changed the wig. See women how you seem set yourself and show like that you know when you come from that place that you know again. You have that confidence. That i am enough. I am worthy of everything that desire. I can have it. Even though. I'm the woman i don't have to sacrifice thing it's a beautiful thing to see and when i we usually half the the remember. The last time that i had a decision hutch. She came and she was. She had a dream bashing you. Don't want to look at. Because it was too big. And she was trying to settle. For what makes mid sense. And i i loved how the mall we walk. I'm not a business coach. Typically but when we walk onto person. When i walk on your on your mindset on your limiting beliefs shipped your energy around the way you see things all of a sudden thinks that making sense in the way. Run your business because is not really what you do is not Strategies your black because all strategies will not for if they want to have to beat the person for this tragedy to walk so when on the besson all of a sudden the have more clarity things become so easy because always like yeah. But i can do this okay. Of course you can but we're not seeing before because he wasn't even in your radio that your body so you went in going after it opened to see the possibilities so that's what i love about. What women just letting helping them free themselves of all those limits. That's on even when you feel as successful you feel like no i get it. Sometimes you have built nearest stories in the back of your mind that owning you back no more. You really wanna be scope. That's what i love about walking. She'd been entrepreneurs that's awesome. Yeah and i can. I can relate to that just from my personal experience to bet as i have a gone on my own spiritual journey and really gotten more clear about an and what i want. It is it has. It's just becoming easy to promote my business and or to come up with ideas of things to do even with regards to my business like this past weekend. I i added two new pages to my website. I wrote new copy for it and it just kind of came out of me. 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Marcus Luttrell On What's Happening Now In Afghanistan

The Michael Berry Show

26:40 min | 2 months ago

Marcus Luttrell On What's Happening Now In Afghanistan

"The end is new at saw. The final friend. How say i'll state my where charm sir. I live a life. The school high traveled. I heard a few but then again too few too much. What i had to do was on this day in nineteen seventy seven. The king is dead. Elvis presley night at his home in graceland or ditty. Five years ago. Marcus latrell was in studio the decision in the last year of obama's presidency to keep fifty five hundred. Us troops in afghanistan beyond to two thousand sixteen in. This is what he said at that. Time the president and all in. No i mean i've been out of the game for awhile so for me to know exactly what's going down. President all them what they they're in the know they get all that attraction imports and the they have information given to them right. Do you trust that. They know how to process and apply that i also. I have to have faith in our leadership. There are leadership but Afghanistan's a tough place. Man know fifty five hundred truth. Which which troops are they gonna kind of dealing. What's the i know what the mission statement is now. I mean you put there's not fifty five hundred of us but and then you put us in there to go to work. We'll to work. So i mean it's everything's changing. We were talking about earlier. Shift in focus and what what is it. We're trying to do. Because ultimately afghanistan is a place where i mean it's been around forever. It is what it has always been right exactly. And i mean we're not soldiers aren't diplomats. Where warfighters you said this earlier when we're off off air and and i think this is important for people to remember. You said our job is to go in and kill people and get out. But that's not what we're using our troops for rain though you shift in the mission focused mission statement of what we're supposed to be doing. I mean they get trained up in that new mission statement because we get trained in that. The fed the the The green brazen. They're great at that. So who what soldiers are you sending in to do what job i don't i don't know let i know it's it's tough to We're not politicians and diplomats and a lot of these kids are eighteen. You were trained. Yeah you were trained for operation redwing right that. That was what you been training for for a long time. You were prepared. But you weren't trained to police towns right. I mean lots of you understand. They don't want us doing in that exactly. So i i mean it's there's the rub. I understand. this is what you want me to do. But ultimately the way you win awards you get the people involved. They they go in and they take care of themselves. That's how you ultimately win. They peace among the land. You you're not getting that done then. What's point operation red wings not weighing my mistake. That was five years ago. Marcus latrell is our guest markets. Do you remember where we went when we left that discussion. Are you sure that would make your. That's your sounds like my brother. Y'all are twins. And i can't tell you apart so morgan you might have pulled one over multiple too fast one over on. Hey that wasn't morgan at Lake conroe that saved all those lives. Wasn't i don't know i. I've been off the grid for a couple of days. I just got back on and had heard that. So honestly asta grid aren't you yes sir. Yeah i thought man. He's already running a good campaign but if he saved fifteen to twenty people in lake conroe on a party boat to just shut off. The we don't need to have an election it's over. That's i mean that's it. You know what if to pull the boat back over and put everybody back on their government her. He's definitely in there. That would you know one one life lost out of fifty three and eighty year old. Man is one is one too many but to think about the fact that fifty three people were plunged into the water including babies toddlers and only one lost. That is look if it's your father. It's one too many but i'm telling you that could have been a whole lot worse. Whoever that navy seal is we might need to rename lake. Houston for that guy. I'll find out for him to get back. The please do. And i know that won't take bit of texture to Out work yeah probably by the time we get from. Walk me through your emotions. I know you're not a good imm- otr you're a navy seal. But i know you're aware of what happened in afghanistan. What what went through your mind seeing that. So it's it's so different every time we talk about this when we get into the over all about the war twenty years of war in afghanistan which means not only my generation went through there. There's another one that's already been through there. It's almost a separate war and the way we held everybody back at bay over timing twenty words. It's not supposed to last that long. Just because the overall environment changes other people they they get tired of having us around and no matter what we do and what we try we once we left them kinda like pulling the frame out at everything and it just kind of collapsing on itself and they swept through there so fast that It was amazing which also tells you that the people want kinda wanna bet as well they were. They were tired of the way things were going to surprise you. How fast they swept through now. Now there's nothing to get in their way. There's nothing to get in their way over time. I mean they that's what they do. I call it. We call that place kinda and are of the arena if you wanna get your boys qualified up in combat and get a place. that's there. They always do that and they always will. I mean if you're looking for. I was explaining to some people calling me yesterday. They were so upset that this has happened. And the only thing i could shit on it was to come from it from a point of tactics now if i wanted all of my enemy at one spot i got. The taliban took place over. I know exactly where they're at all the time now. Not only that everybody will agrees with them. Fled to that place as they grow themselves and try to stabilize what they wanna invite. I've seen three nukes over on nine eleven united flight this american airlines light that this repay the fame. That's the first thing that popped into my head. But i thought when i saw that and then you know what man i'm just tired of. I think people are overall just getting tired of fighting. We're fighting here in this country with each other and trying to get through our stuff and over there and i think the most would hit me the hardest truly what hit me hard. Is that afghanistan. People saved my life. So i know that there is wonderful people over there one. I have family over there ghulam and his family. So i mean i talked to him this morning. I talked to him this morning. I talked to him every other day. I going gonna tell you that. But i you know it's People say whatever they want. But you know you when someone goes out of their way to help you like that. You develop a bond relationship. You can't help but love him so when you see him always going through this stuff. It's just. It's a double edged sword. Because one you feel forming but to always do this i you know you get to the point. Sometimes where you kinda get stuck saying one thing perpetuates in the wrong direction and say another thing president in the other direction another wrong way. I'm the only one that feels like that. But it just seems like everyone needs to sit back and take a deep breath. Hell try to untangle them all not miss. That's kinda ask feeling. Just running a gambit just like everybody else fought so hard over there that he kinda get this understanding i well. That's what i went over there to do. I went over there to fight. So i don't want to hang out over there and i kind of separates that anxiety but yeah it's still there because i got family over there more with marcus latrell about afghanistan coming up. Tom brady the single. It takes four wheel drive main as no whose name is hang a problem with free satellite dish ramp sixty eight red chevelle intoned all night dave and right deprives pay but on a trailer nippy and for the reason for the colt ford is because marcus atro- was in a movie would go forward call moving on. What haven't you done. we're still working on that one. He's still working on the movie. No we're still working on some stuff having to keep going so not so much there. Yeah i'm listening and we got some shoddy equipment. Sometimes you probably on a bad cell connection. It's relying doesn't even make sense. There's thing it's kind of like a bad connection here either isn't it. What was your question. So you're kind of the mayor of the seal community a lot of these guys you know when they get out they call on you you know what should i do. What business should i go into career. Should i pursue. Should i rea- the search thing you're talking to a lot of navy seals at all times those guys look to you for advice in your your there for those guys. What are they saying. Mean a lot of those guys gave a big part of themselves to serve to serving. This control aghanistan. I guys they have a fantastic way of of complaining. So they'll grumble and say something they're just imagine how every all americans are feeling right now. That's how we feel especially and then added a little bit onto because we were the ones up there on the front but then it that way that you feel kinda like a wait and just got put back on. Yeah 'cause even if we were to go back in i it's it's it started all over again. They reestablished so to to get a footing. you never give up your foothold right and So that's why it's so tough. You know wars war. I mean i know. I could sit here and say one thing but then it would be right answering the wrong answer. Ultimately i think this with with americans d- brands relax. Sit back and just know that we. We did what we did we did. We could while we were there. We came back out now. It's a new scenario that book. It's like a sniper shoots around down rains. I both gone if it didn't go. Then it's over. We don't worry about that anymore. Worry about today. So whatever's going down right now don't think about back then i've gone. Let us worry about that we will. We'll carry that way. Y'all don't do that. There's something new every day when you wake. We'll deal with that that day and then we'll go to bed. We got we'll deal with whatever comes up in that day but do not stretch this out and inside yourself and carry that that Ah guilt anguish. And and all that anger don't do that to sales. I'm telling you not to and the right to so i. I'm telling all of our our family. All americans especially in texas man take a deep breath and just be attacking this relaxing. We'll handle it. If it wanted steps to our line again right now just has got to play out. It just has to like one of those things. It's gotta go down a certain way to see how it unfolds. You served in afghanistan. The story is well told your brother. Morgan served afghanistan. You know a lot of guys that served in afghanistan back in two thousand nineteen. The washington post reported on a cache of documents that they obtained from senior. Us officials that they knowingly lied to the public about their process about their progress throughout the eighteen year war at that point consistently painting a rosier picture of the state of the war then they knew to be true. Did you know that it was worse than they were telling and that they were aware well. That's the added benefit of being in the job and having the job description that i did. It was always worse than what they were saying. So i mean or is man line and young men dying or wouldn't exist if people can talk and negotiate and and otherwise it's just a straight out fight And then then it's over but it's so easy to get again so easy to get upset about stuff like that it. Would that help. No we just make sure we don't do that again. We push forward. And i sit there and browbeaten belittle and being about everything. But i don't. I don't think like that. I don't know how great like that. So yeah was there. Mistakes made sure there always is and they'll be held accountable to you can guarantee it but up until this point that's looking backwards every time you look backwards to to to blame somebody for something. That whatever's happening. It's still going different. That does that make sense. Does how would you compare. I got a minute left in this segment. How would you compare both you. And morgan. Having served in iraq and afghanistan the state of those two. How how were they different. How were they similar. Oh that's an apple. An orange thing that city and help and mountain living in okay live in the country live in the city. If i different you walk different. You talk different in the city than you do in in the in the country it's like a jungle in both funds just like here. We live out in the country. We live out here with the animals in the city. They put their animals in the zoo right so when all hell breaks loose in a war. Imagine everything's running around so out here in the country. We know how to deal with it. And then same way in the city and then the mountains it's like that and But a fight the fight points up way with words. I appreciate that michael soda you. That's a radio show. And i don't that's why you write bestselling books and i well. I live them out. I get out. They're road tested for the position. That i've been honored to have is because of my willingness to do that and it's an honor to do it and get step in there. I get my face stick. Come back and be like hey. We're not going this way and this is why just i'm so great. We have been on for two full segments. You've been talking about war and you haven't even managed to cuss and give us an fcc violation of so impressed. Because i watched that rogan interview. And you in rogan were. We're yeah that wouldn't that wouldn't have passed radio. Muster hold their markets latrell. This is the michael berry. Show the fall of couple to the taliban. Marcus latrell is our guest. Marcus one of the things reading this weekend. One of the things. I've read from guys like you didn't see that you said this but other guys who served there and saw a lot of combat was a grudging respect for the taliban at what great warriors they are. Hey i'm sorry. That left broke out bro. You're asking me to comment on the taliban one of the things. I've i've read a lot this weekend. From guys who saw combat with them Was a grudging respect for them. As warriors that they are very very tough warriors. Oh yeah that's true. There said that lots of people. I mean just different to serve their sucker the tough man. I mean like mountain goat. Tough liberal live. You can't be it can't be solved live in that environment anyway and then upset all the time. Learn how i mean and fight about what that breeds yeah. I agree with that wholeheartedly. Did you find them to be more fierce than in iraq. Ever kind of fighter altogether describe lately discuss aggressive like in iraq. They wouldn't they wouldn't come at it two straight up face to face and stay there whether they'd ideas or booby traveled to shoot from distance. And not that. They don't do that but in the mountain terrain it makes everything closed. Everything real far away. Does that make sense because in in a short amount of time and they're fighting in their backyard like somebody coming here you know how well you move through our environment. It's almost like we can disappear. We want to reappear. Just just just by step and someone who's not familiar with their environment can't do that. That's actually why we got proficient at at fighting. They would just leave us out there and we would have to adapt but very very proficient. Then you're talking about in them high altitude so their their stamina endurance and everything. absolutely what. I'm saying yeah. I was reading about the russian conflict there when we were supporting the mujahideen and and the the the reports on what they would do to the russians and how cruel they were and how it got into the minds of the russians and that that they'd never seen a level of cruelty like this you know that when they'd grab guys they they'd They'd wound them and send them out into the middle of the field so the russians would want to come and get their their compatriot and just just levels of cruelty that that the western world has never seen. You else is proficient at that. The native americans backing data comanche. So imagine the more civilized we get kinda instinct gets taken away from us. You don't need that as much as your reaction time doesn't have to be as fast and as environment dictate you know. Who else made that comparison. Augustus mccrae in lonesome dove. He learned the language. Good man he was a good man. Robert duvall talking here. Your your brother morgan. Latrell also navy seal who served in afghanistan and iraq Your twin brother. I know you guys give each other a lot of grief But what what did you think when he said. Hey i think. I'm i want to go and serve in washington dc. I mean all seriousness. Even sears. In in the way that seals joke. I mean we've known each other long enough you know. Even when i'm serious i i joke. It's kinda but when he came in there. And that my i was we're going back into the brief then because we have the american dream like we live on the at our house. Our family kids go to school the regular life and then he's talking about going back into the breach and he's the older brother he's the alpha. That's a real thing. He's my hero. He's the meanest toughest nicest guy i've ever met and he also has that pedigree that everyone likes to see when in their leaders ivy league. Plus the you got the undergrad at the american university. What's up unit But there's a difference between going up to these going anywhere and projecting yourself as a tough guy and talking means you. Don't you see people on tv. That's all they do. They talk bad about people back him and they just. They just started bill man. That's just somebody that's also an offense right. That's how people would sometimes project they're tough. It's a bar right well. Brother doesn't need that. I mean he is tough. It's hard enough to get a reputation in the field teams. It's hard enough to get one. Like he has. So i when he told me that he was gonna do that it. I didn't know if it wasn't that he's not ready he is. I don't know. I was ready because right identical twins you know anything he goes into gonna sucked into it. We're best friends. So i was like i kinda getting comfortable here being lazy on the porch and doing all that. But you know if we're going back we're going back in and he'll give it everything i've never seen. Anybody works already. Does they take up all the time. And we don't exist in our world you have to sign those two otherwise we'll just work day and night. I'm reminded of a conversation. You and our having years ago and you were walking through the airport and some some guy walks up to you and he says hey marcus latrell and you said no. I'm his twin brother. Morgan and the guy goes okay and turn to walked off in. It infuriated you. Because i think you feel that for everything morgan's done. He's your hero. He's been in combat. He's been seriously injured. His body is beat to hell as well and because there's not a movie made about him he doesn't get his do and i and you've kind of made this point about you know i. I know that when people come up and say you're a hero or you you said did it. Don't say that there's a bunch of other guys that deserve that. I don't want it it's important. You isn't it one. And only time i ever did that. I've of joking around. 'cause i wasn't expecting that to happen. And then oh yeah i shifted. Wait a second. i'll say. Hey show respect in my head. You know but then i kind of realized that happens to him all the time. So i'm curious to see if he if he's allowed to be our congressman. If i'm sitting somewhere and somebody comes up yell at me because they think i'm the congressman. I wonder how that's going to go for them. But then i like their chances i- maurienne 'cause everytime someone call hit marcus. It was kind of an insole. Because i'm a little brother right that whole thing but with me i can't do that. Because he represents our people. And i do so i just have to sit there and take just watch is fine i i i can take you know i i just this is this is the spice of life. Whatever he's doing. I i get affected by vice versa. That's the beautiful thing about being twins. I had not even considered that no matter what happens. You're you know you're going to criticize your congressman and some guy coming up in criticising you at to feed store okay. We might have to give some political training for you. People come up generally like to see it. I think you might mess that up. Yeah right because diplomacy is not your strong suit. I i can only imagine marcus. Atro- thank you brother. Thank you for your service. I want to hear from some of our afghanistan war veterans. You deserve have your storyteller seven three two one two five eight seven four.

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Sun Studio: The Birthplace of Rock 'N' Roll | 222

Hysteria 51

32:19 min | 9 months ago

Sun Studio: The Birthplace of Rock 'N' Roll | 222

"Listen up your savages. H fifty one is a little different this week and a little crappy or because this is the only time i am in the episode for that i apologize anyway. Brent and producer. Lisa took a trip to memphis tennessee to meet up with another idiot. You have heard on the show a few times sam culture from breakers podcast while they were there doing research for an upcoming graceland episode. They got the chance to record at the world famous on studio. They tell me that is cool. Sounds lame to me anyway. This is going on and on about that crap. That is stupid. I hope you hate it. I'm disturbed from city to city and incredible panicked. I think we're getting married very true true. God this is serious fifty one. The truth is out there. Find it here coming for you. Look one of them now guys. This is sam cobra. You might know me from breakers podcast from all my episodes of hysteria fifty one where i've come in here. Stolen the show entertained you guys. I'm here with my good friend. Your boy brent hand. And i'm looking around me at at history. I found myself breaking away from the covid nineteen and decided to socially distance as far away from home as i can and brandt. We've gotten together here in memphis tennessee. We'll say we still are about a good six feet away. We have a piano bench between us kind of a famous piano bench though. It's not any the assets that have said on. This can only imagine i mean. I'm looking around here. I know we were talking about how famous people have been in this place. I have talked through. These microphones to tell us where we are. We are at the legendary sun studios in memphis tennessee. And if you're wondering what the hell's legendary sun studios. Well it's the place that birthed people like elvis presley johnny cash roy orbison carl perkins bb. King i mean you name it. And they've been here and then later in life we are. We were talking about this. Youtube played here. Def leppard mellencamp if you listen to music today i don't give a shit what you listen to but if you listen to me because i'm perak i kind of these snob music snob here now. If you listen to music today particularly rock and roll music every bit of it comes from here. This is where rock and roll. Music was born this. This is where we get people like elvis presley. it's where we get this literally. The spot where the first rock and roll saw rocket eighty-eight was recorded with a young man named ike turner tickling the ivories on that one with his. Yeah it's just a crazy not only is it. I wish you guys and we're going to post some photos. This is not only the room. It's still exactly exactly the same wince. Almost smell the asp estes in in these. I mean it. This place is great. You can just feel the history in ridiculous hours if not days of our lives doing. And it's so worth it. I mean and we're sitting here late in the evening We we we started this off at eleven o'clock tonight because they've taken the sun studios and now they give tours during the day. But it's still an active recording studio at night and Being here in memphis we just couldn't pass up the opportunity to give these guys a call and see if coming here in getting our so recording we called and they're like i mean there. Is you know. Months months winning. Lists and i said this is brent hand and they go. Oh shit we're going to give you an hour then actually if you really want to know how this went down. We came in here on thursday and we went through the tour and it was fantastic. They got a great show. You guys ever come to town. You gotta check this place out because you're not gonna leave here without some history. It's fantastic and as i'm leaving. I grew up in a music family music. Music is my life. I love it. And i'm looking at all of these instruments and the pictures on the wall in this piano in here and and i'm not gonna lie. I did what i could to try to bribe the girl to limping at least play the piano for just just four bars before i laid. She said she said you know. If you're gonna do that all you got to book studio time. We can't let you do that on the tour. And i was like wait. Maybe yeah that's exactly right. Then we're just gonna book studio time. I really appreciate those guys have here tonight but it tell us about how we came to be here in memphis in some of the things that you've experienced really left an impression brent. Yeah so this is something we have been talking because we wanted to do something cove. It has been impacting. Everyone and we said let's make our way it's kind of. I'm in chicago. You're in oklahoma city area and we said let's meet in the middle. We came here in the middle now. Let's be careful because if you wanna get in the middle of oklahoma city and chicago. There's nothing we found a good middle distance that we could get to and and threw a dart and it landed on memphis tennessee. That's exactly right in. And my wife. And i have been talking about coming here and having a you know at least a long weekend or something like that. We talked to you in your in. Your wife said yeah. Let's do it and so we had to do the tourist traps lane traps. Because they're so fun you know exactly i. I've been so pleasantly surprised just with this town. I've driven across country and driven through memphis. But i've never actually been here to see the town. And we've spent a lot of time on beale street I never thought that. I would have had a a super fantastic meal at at a. Bb king's are on the strip and the damn chicken and waffles was judge offals head catfish and They use my third catfish the day. That was worth every bite though. Not only did we listen. To the live music on beale street and experience that but we also did hit every tourist trap. We can't well and speaking of tourist traps. I learned today. That i've been saying something my whole life wrong because we went not only to the other day we went to sunset studios which were back in right now but we went to what. I've always said graceland. Oh no we went to graceland. They speak different language. But we're learning. Yeah picking it up. I'm you know. I'm i'm i'm trying to fit in and i had no idea that grace graceland. I almost the wrong way. Will they redid it like three years ago. So now he's got this huge museum and and his planes are there and his cars there and you get to go through the house. You really get a pretty good access to the home. You're in their more than most places. This has kind of been a joke amongst us for the last couple of weeks knowing that we were gonna come here and and it's like we're going to go fishing. Gotta go to graceland you know. And i've never been a huge elvis fan but you can't if you're involved in music at all not appreciate the impact. He had on all of the music that we deal with. So you're going to go to memphis. You gotta go to graceland. So we're talking about buying the tickets to go to the tour and you know it's like you. You got us the good tickets right. And she's like well the good tickets. There's i didn't realize that graceland is essentially disneyland. I mean this is a huge huge enterprise that they have yes. I thought it was a house. Well there's the house way more than the next to. It is the guest house which is like a several hundred person hotel and then across the street now is the museum in actual sound studio where they've been filming the show about the sun students and records right here. Since we're in the studio sun record label that they came up with and then you have his fleet of cars his His planes his daughters memorabilia then they also have memorabilia from everyone that's mattered in music from every genre you can think of their instruments. They're they're close. John lennon's piano was in there. I mean that that that was great next to john. Schneider's belt buckle right was was the famous johns island. Right around the corner from the rock. Elvis costume i mean you had a little bit of everything there but you know it was really impressive and As we've been driving around memphis shopping for real estate in neighborhoods that we can't afford it was it was really refreshing to see that graceland only cost one hundred and five thousand dollars. Yeah would he bought it literally on several acres and it's interesting to like we were saying we're in the backyard. The still have the horses and everything there. The stubbed abors just regular houses. Right there over the fence. The neighbor's house. I mean you. Imagine what it's like to live on that real estate now right or they're just itching for you to sell it. Probably just you know from ten. It was interesting though. You get to see the jungle room when we got to see his Media room with the giant twenty inch. tv's on the ceiling omega. And i thought it was going to die because they literally have a case that the entire thing is mirrors. And they're like you don't die please on this part of it because people fall when he says day we gotta go all out. I mean our tour guide was john stamos. I mean esi was talking this through graceland which i didn't know until today that jesse was A nod to elvis's brother who died unfortunately stillborn. His name was jesse. That was an odd to that. So yeah uncle. Jesse walk mean walking in memphis all all the way to get to graceland so you know it just kind of set up the mood and it. All just unfolded before us. Becky wasn't there though. Unfortunately and becky's in jail. She's she's doing that That that hard time. I'm sure very hard time at a club fed for you. Know you gotta get your kids in. School cares about edgy. Machine is important. Reading is fundamental. I'm looking around this room and they've got a line of guitars in here. That are the collection or their their studio instruments and whatnot. But the pictures. On the room of roy orbison elvis jerry lewis and the the million dollar quartet right there with elvis and carl perkins and johnny cash and jerry lewis the super famous super famous photo. I dunno i. It's the impression it's missing. Same koper i think is the best thing i can say. I think so. I give you a sharp. If you wanna put one on. They won't i don't think they'll mind. I mean some of these guitars. Signed shouli brent hand in sam copa am willie nelson and who bano. I remember in the nineties When when i was i really getting into some music and watching rattling home and and you to while they were on He was joshua tree tour in and they were traveling through here and they stopped in and and recorded that with A horn section from here in memphis and he's just watching those guys talking about the history. That was here for them even back then and speaking a history to if if we send a little bit different nation because we are talking on classic mike actually brought out assure essence seven the a pod biker a i don't know what the other one was defense was it there you go you know. And he's a you. Don't wanna talk this shit the you wanna talk to some old stuff and then we actually got when we were here. The other day sits right over here on the on the mike z. Mike that elvis used to record. And johnny cash the actual mike and it's not behind glass or anything like that. They're like here. You go Just don't lick because their dna is not an entity really. I think that's safe y- zeke. She was telling us when she gave the tour. That before. sam Sam phillips the original founder of the memphis recording service in the sun studio here before he passed. He actually gave them. One of the original microphones. They were singing on back back then. I mean it sits right here on elvis's mark where he would sing in the studio and and everybody gets oppose in front of it. And i'm sure hysteria nation. You're going to see one or two. Those gaps is amazing. The the tape on the floor where they stood that was their markers and where the upright bass sat there still an invention in the floor where they played. I mean that's just. I i like the non changing because i'm lazy too so it just rings a bell with me. They've done a really good job here. I know they were talking about you. Know as one of the local hotels was being torn down. They'd gone in and the original recording studio where they are the original Radio studio where they would broadcast. What was the. dj's name do you recall. I'll bet i'll bet daniel yell three here. Who was the dj back in the day that That made elvis famous. That's zooey phillips. Do we phillips so Do we phillips had his studio in a hotel and these guys went there and they took took the tiles in the desks they got every everything from dui phillips studio before they they re remodeled the hotel over there and they brought it back here to goes and they've got all of that old memorabilia and they've recreated that broadcast studio where he came up with the idea of the smash hit is he would play the records. And if you didn't like it literally in the middle of the song you take it off saying we got another smash hit and smash it over the microphone and so when you're hearing you go in there there's actually broken records all over the floor around his s from talk. How many times do you think we'd driven pass this place in the so. It's funny every time we're going somewhere we drive right past here. Said we can't escape this place and it's like where are we. Well there's studios right there so we know where we are in the wrong direction. We need to turn back around. Yeah it's Yeah memphis if you not been here is a very easy town to get around in and we even speaking of doing all the tourists. We didn't spend all our time in the town. We actually took a riverboat ride on the mississippi. I just like the good old days. And we took a riverboat ride and we listened to the stories and and got our history. And i i you know reasonably well. Travelled we've been places together. I'm not sure. I've done anything quite this touristy well and you and i have traveled places together. And we've never done. It's usually just the. Let's go have dinner. Let's go eat. Let's do this and that and there was something about definitely about memphis were like. Let's just do that aspect of it. You know my wife. And i know when we travel and we've been to places it's kind of a mix we'll do some of it but do it for a couple of days and you're like This trip we ran out of time. We were still. We never did this tax museum. I know we didn't. We didn't ax to the orpheum. Maybe there's so many places that we didn't get to do Just because we're having too much fun. I guess now it's been a really great trip and it's close enough that i'm pretty sure this might be a good meet in the middle place. Yeah so what. What else is left. An impression for your memphis. Well i you know it's just the culture here. They're very proud. And that's in a good way. And i don't mean that that he'd come off as the wrong thing you know pride in their city but everyone here is very friendly. They wanna tell you what their favorite place in town as do the history of it because everyone. This town has so much history. And that's one of the things that really run out to me was just how proud people are of their heritage here and frightful reasons because it's amazing and the amount of just of musical world history. That's come out of this town. And i think for better for worse when you think of of musical time in tennessee. Nashville and memphis is crazy. Everything that happened in nashville though happened because of what was going on in. I mean this really is the heart of it. This is where it all started and and that history was there in and it broke down so many barriers. I mean this was the first place that we really started breaking down barriers on on racial issues in in that divide. Where mean yeah one who really brought us this. This rock and roll music but The original guys that were in here that the prison quartet. We're those fellows called. Oh man the daniel prisoners. See we've got. We've got daniel in the booth release. You're supposed to be in no. She just sits there and does her nails. I think i need to Maybe spring for a daniel danny look in transfer to chicago. That's dam sure. That's that's why i am with my wife. So that's a different story though. So the the prisoners when they first got the studio together These guys were actually convicts. They were in prison. They were playing there in the story. That they tell is that Sam went and talked to the warden and got the warden to agree to let the prisoners come to sun studio and it was a bit of a gimmick i think and he gets these guys here and they record and i guess they brought them in under armed guard chain they were literally shackled and they got they had to sing under armed guard. Yeah and then they. They cuts A few songs and they press these records and they sell them in. It's a hit. Everybody loves hidden and turns out. The governor ends up giving these guys a pardon and letting them go because they they made music. I have no idea what they're in for. Maybe that's better. If i don't look so i don't care what it might have been nothing but it's like he's murdered. Thirteen people put he can sing. Those are those are the guys that really tipped it off and elvis presley this kid who nobody knew. He's driving a car for an electrical company. Had like doing deliveries and was who. He's listening to to the record. He he's got these guys record and loves it so he's popping in here recording music for mom And he said he came any cut a record and they listened to in the first time. And he's like no. I'm not don't let that kid. Not that guy and Luckily sam's sam's wife liked him and it's like a year later when they're needing a a studio ban you know or or session musicians like well. Let's bring him in and they brought him back in and he didn't really impress them then either until they said they were like at breaking news like humming and singing himself obscure blues music and sam was like that on me kind of thing and and that's when they cut their first album and he was literally like overnight worldwide sensation. Same as and i and then sam is having to sell them to rca And then uses that money to Bring some of these other folks. Do we really start the sun label. And that's why. We have the the roy orbison and johnny cash right after that and everything you know who hasn't seen walk the line you know and and the scenes from that. So yeah i. It's it's been a lot of fun. You talk about the history. We we really did do all of the touristy things you didn't talk about the dogs we ducks too. I mean we had to do i now. I know what i thought. This was a joke at first. I didn't know that that was a real thing. Yeah if you're not familiar with he's talking about the peabody hotel in here Here in downtown memphis has on their roof a duck house and every morning. They walk the ducks two out of the duck house to the elevator. That take them down to the lobby and they walk them on a red carpet into the fountain. They spend the day so in the found and then Like four thirty or four forty five every day they come in and the guy leads the ducks down the red carpet once again into the elevator. Back up and into the duck house on the roof. That's a life. It's not a bad gig and i think they serve What a couple of months here at a time. And then they send him back to the duck far they do like three months and they go they have their own ducks zone special farm that they they they raise them for and i tell you what he came out pulled on his cane tapped a couple of times and those ducks like jump out of the water and start walking and drying off. Ya my mother-in-law we were. We were actually talking to her about being in memphis and she's like well. Did you go to the peabody. And did you see the ducks and you know. We kind of talked about this a little bit earlier in the day. But i really didn't think it was that big of a deal that they've been doing this for one hundred years or something that's been going on forever. The odd thing is though the heavy restaurant they don't serve duck duck. Who would have thought we were all over town to. That finally found one place that you could actually get a duck today and that restaurant was shit and speaking the ducks we went to a pyramid. There is a bass pro shops slash. Slash ducks unlimited. That is giants the f- the former where they played. It was a sports arena. Turned bass pro shop at the memphis. Grizzlies played here. I guess for a season or two they actually built that pyramid for them and or uber driver was telling us that Yeah what's the pyramid at vegas. It's the scallop the luxor. Now she's gonna come up there you go so. They built a luxor in the middle of memphis because pyramids apparently back in the olden days at we'd been to to egypt and decided that that we needed to name this part of the world just like they were remembered over there for whatever reason. So here we go memphis. Yeah so there's memphis egypt and so here. We are in now quite memphis egypt so they build a pyramid for the memphis grizzlies to plan. Apparently the nba wasn't cool with it so they had to move those guys over and now we've got an empty pyramid so bass pro moved in and they get ducks there to let's l. bass boats. They have ducks in there though. Live ducks just flip. Bama actually it's really cool. They have like a a a cypress swamp what looks like a cypress swamp in their kind of all through the whole thing is walking over it and there's catfish and alligator huge alligator gar in there and lots of docs who would have ever known that walmart for hunting would be perfect. That would end up being a tourist destination but But we did have to go to the pyramid we also we went to the bar with the goat's oh yeah silky o'sullivan's yeah they have irish diving goats now and now i feel like that was. There's a little bit of Maybe exaggeration in the irish diving goats. He didn't even sound irish. So i don't There was no accent and they didn't dive after any call bullshit on that whole story but that's just me the ducks road de l. As we heard we right so we were told about all these ducks. Then we gotta go to my my wife's like oh my god. We gotta silky sullivan. We gotta see the coats we got gotta see the goats we go there and we're like the actually have this huge spiral not staircase but like thing. They can jump on and run on the thing that you can order off of wish for fifteen dollars for your cats to climb up and down in the living room. We've got two stories tall and made out of old lumber for your goats in the middle of the bar. Sam says hey where here goats. We got two of them. But they're sleeping god. We were in an found. Those damn goat took a picture at the goat. In the middle of downtown memphis beale street. Here yep yep so. They didn't dive and they didn't do any irish drinking with us but they would. They were at silky o'sullivan's. Now i'm not gonna say that i wasn't doing some irish drinking at the time so who knows what really happened with the and what's the difference between regular drinking irish drinking mine. Who had irish whiskey. All whiskey can be irish wiscon- if you just believe in it that's the way it goes. I believe i believe bill streets fund. Though it's it's it's not huge. It's a few blocks you know. And it's just place after place of music or or Food or little kitschy cool knickknack places and stuff like that and it's a really interesting time. I mean so much of our world has been so locked down for so long. And there's no real light at the end of the tunnel things getting a whole lot better But so so. We're here and everybody in this town. Seems to be pretty serious about the mask. Wearing the social distancing they're taking precautions and whatnot but the stuff is open but it was fairly loosely. Populated i mean nowhere that we went. Were there tons of people so we had a pretty good memphis experience as far as nowhere. None of none of the clubs that we went to None of the shops up and down the street Number of the tours that we were on nothing was so crowded that you couldn't enjoy it or that you were afraid of catching. Somebody's cough is unfortunate for the tour places. But it's fortunate that they are still open and it can be safe for people like us to to to be able to do it. Who are wearing masks and doing things like that. It was it was. It was a pleasant surprise. I guess in. I didn't know what to expect. I know you. And i live in very different places in in where i come from. No matter how bad the situation get sporadically and you know emotionally People just don't believe in it and they're not taking precautions and stuff and you're seeing that's called america america america that's why Yeah yeah we're. We're we're winning on that aspect of american number one baby but you know it's a this has been a great i guess Pretend little break from the whole thing. And i think that's important and i think that's what a lot of people are missing because this has been a long year of people being in their homes and people not being able to do things and it was a very nice getaway even though it has been. Wear your masks substance. Things are different. And i'm sure there are aspects of the tours and the stuff that we're doing that isn't quite exactly the same It was great for us to be able to do this. And to see it and have a blast doing it in so i will tell you. hysteria nation. If you're looking for a place to go social distance away from home you know. I mean you gotta get away checkout memphis and if you come to memphis make sure that you go to the sun studio. This is a really really cool spot. It's gonna take you all the way back to where all of your music and everything you know and love where it all started You're you're definitely gonna learn something. January third nineteen fifty. This place opened originally january. Third nineteen fifty. It's been a minute. Yeah it's been several think how that works but we appreciate them having his here. Since you can go to studio dot com to find this place. Come take the tour. They they have some awesome awesome swag too so and the awesome yellow and black logo. So yeah we do appreciate them. Dan daniel Hooking us up here in the booth Even know Too expensive to bring back to chicago. Yeah yeah come here and make some music just as easily as we are coming here. You can book yourself in literally legendary studio cut. Attrac- cut a few tracks. It's that simple. We literally send an email and said hey we wanna do this and they're like come on in we're going to work you in will make this happen for you. And that's what's great especially in a time like this where people are struggling people might not be able to get out and do a lot of things businesses struggling. I'm sure they've seen reduced numbers. Come in here and do things like that and make it happen. Because that's one of the best things you can do is to put your money out so that others can can make a living and share your art with the world. This is the place to do it. Gotta you gotta do it. You mind why not do it somewhere. Where so much. Art has been birth. That has changed the world. Will man. I get you inviting us on this trip. It's been you experience. I look forward to doing it again. you guys can find me. Breakers podcasts dot com At breakers podcasts on all social media. And you can listen to the show. It's still out there in all of its infamy. We had some foresight. We knew that the plague was coming so goalless him regularly by everywhere find podcasts. Working they find you. Brad hand yes so you can find us on to face with group just search hysteria nation searches theory fifty one. You can find links to everything on hysteria. Fifty one dot com. Don't forget to tweet to us. All of us facebook us. We love hearing from you shoes. Emails let us know what you wanna do. I know this is not a normal hysteria. Fifty one episode. We are going to be doing one on graceland and it felt very haunting there for me. So yeah you had to do the tour. I obviously or how would we know so that. That's a little a an episode. That's coming up soon. So that's gonna be fun but yeah so forget breakers for you if you've listened to our audio dramas especially the last one. You might hurt a little hints for the breakers universe in there there there. There might be some stirring in the future. We shall see with that. I've been sam. I've been brent. 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So, you want to be an Entrepreneur?  Part 2

The Topic of Choice Podcast

49:24 min | 1 year ago

So, you want to be an Entrepreneur? Part 2

"Welcome back everybody to wednesday episode at the top one best some today graceland nursery opportunity. You can call me damn show welcome. I guess tonight returning brave. You are the second time history. Chris offered all the way from san antonio joey's tech for having me audit for sued. I'm looking forward to tonight. And then joining us from indiana. My good friend and college buddies. Well michael henderson. Mike how are you good. Good thanks for having me absolutely glad you could be on here. So let's give some quick background to the listeners. About the trio here. That's that's talking. I don't want to give a whole lot. But mike why don't you go ahead and just introduce a little bit of how the three of us know each other so obviously we all went to school at k. you had a great time Chris and i were in the same fraternity. Joy was a guy and the guts know. Each other I would say mostly After classes in downtown richmond was probably the time that we spent most together I course you know my credit joe is at. You'd sarah met at my house parties. We'd have credit you. Yeah that's right that's right so Very very hardy. Everybody yeah yeah. That was a great party. I think it was two thousand one and we even have pictures of that day. I believe when we were out on the deck and then into the evening as well. And i know there's pictures of that night some of those pictures. You should burn probably the ones that you keep if you got any other. Go ahead and get rid of those naps. But i think it was great. I mean we've all remained friends. Ever since and i mean that's in twenty plus years ago so no matter. It's funny no matter how much time passes from when we all are able to talk and catch up. It seems like it was yesterday. Yeah i would agree with that absolutely. Yeah now mike you after ku you. We'll do a little bit of just a quick update. You guys are now in indiana correct. Yeah so after graduation. I went to work for Our fraternity and spent two years traveling with them. It's ryan which was a great experience and came back to Kentucky went to work for a company in the plumbing industry manufacturer's representative in the plumbing industry and really the only reason i went to work. There is because a fraternity brother work there and basically got me the job and like a lot of people in there right out of college. I didn't really know what i wanted to do. I just needed to make some money and And really. That's what i've been doing. Ever since i've been in the plumbing industry Since nineteen ninety six or ninety seven since nineteen ninety seven been in the plumbing industry Had opportunities start my own business in two thousand two sold that business a few years later And then went to work for a company and bought this business in two thousand seventeen so yes so anyone that the tuning in for the first time. Here the the So you want to be an entrepreneur part to tonight's episode and i've asked michael to join us tonight so the last episode the part one. Chris joined us and matthew snotty. We all had a lot in common from the small business entrepreneurship and small business owner. And i wanted to i. I don't know how many episodes will have this. But i wanted to have a secondary with michael. On because michael's business has gone way larger than the small business owner and entrepreneur from a standpoint of of opening a shop for the first time like i'm doing and like chris did several years ago with with his restaurants and how he's diversifying and how matthew was even talking in the last episode of he likes that that area that he's in he does not want to get to a certain size right he was. He was saying he likes that. That area in that. That niche is perfect for him. And that's great michael on the other hand. Tell us a little bit about your company. Now where you are your employees and your growth and just tell us a little bit of of where you are now. Then i want to jump back to how you got there. Yes so. I think that you know the kind of the first step is to you know entrepreneur. Sometimes people associate that with somebody who starts a business while that's certainly part of it. You know entrepreneur definitely means somebody who runs a business right owns and runs it as and i would say that you know for us You know the nice part about where we are now is even though we're much bigger than say you know What people would consider a small business. I think that people look at entrepreneur. You automatically think of somebody who starts a business but really entrepreneur means anybody who owns and runs a business. And i think that know for us I have both experiences. I started my own business from scratch awhile back and sold that in this business i actually acquired when i purchased business in two thousand seventeen. We had sixteen employees. We were doing about thirty eight million in sales Today we're doing about eighty million in sales and Thirty one employees across four states. We have two offices. One in saint louis in one in indianapolis so we've been blessed to see quite a bit of growth over the last three years in what has transpired to do that. but i would tell you that a lot of the challenges are exactly the same things that pop chris at night or you at night. are the same things that keep me up at night and it might be on a different scale but but it's basically the same the same issues. I think the interesting thing is. I hope we get into this kind of discussion. There's a real kind of interesting place that you get to as an entrepreneur where you early on as the owner you are doing everything and i think You know. I heard chris talk about that in your entrepreneurship part. One you do the books you do the hr. You bake the bread in the morning. You close the store at night. You do all those different things and at some point your business grows to the point where you just physically can't do that anymore But there's all that you also don't have necessarily the revenue. The higher a lot of people and a lot of people called the dead zone right. That's kind of in this particular revenues area. A lot of people define that as kind of a three six million right. So if you're in that three to six million dollar range of revenue you're running like crazy but you just don't have enough money to maybe hire somebody to take those responsibilities for you and then when you kind of get above that you can start to put some pieces in place to kind of free up to do some different things but all of the problems along all those ways. Remain the same. So in that dead zone. How do you get past. That has so. That's the that's the million dollar question. Right and i think there's a great book out there if you ever have a chance to read and i'd recommend it for any entrepreneur it's called traction and it's by this guy gino whitman and It teaches the system called the eos the entrepreneur operating system. And it's a system in a way to run your business. There's some key steps along the way that they talk about the trust Propel you forward there now. Some people don't want get above that right. Some people wanna remains mon-. I think when you look at starting a business or owning a business. You're looking for one of three things. You're looking to either financially. Do something for yourself right. Make more money or control your own financial destiny. You're looking to manage your time in your schedule right. I want to spend more time with my kids. Or whatever or you're looking to have some sort of influence you know on a market or the world or have you look at it. And so i think that depending on what your goal is will determine you might not ever hit that dead zone but if you're in that dead zone and you're trying to get out of it the only way really to get out it is to have a system and i think that that's one of the things nice about this book is. It teaches you a system to try to do that. Okay so chris let me let me flip a question too euro quick from a standpoint of what michael was talking about hitting doing everything as the the business owner and then getting to a point to that dead zone and do you feel that that is something. Have you thought about that. Have you hit that at any point. I'm not talking from a financial standpoint but from a position standpoint from a position standpoint. we and we. Aren't you know our our our gross. Our top line sales. Aren't you know in that in that dead zone but if you talk about just having multiple businesses and you know whereas mike and mike started his own business in the early two thousands learned a great deal from that spun it all and then went back to work for a company and then he has i think in again he can either Rebuttal this or or carry forth with the With the statement bought an existing business and then has acquired additional territory on top of that so whereas my efforts have been more grassroots. And i really had to build my own infrastructure whether it's with the restaurants or with the the the small construction company. And then of course as we grow the property management In our ownership there in in central kentucky is we're having to build from the ground floor that infrastructure and so it is very time consuming and we. We are learning to delegate that authority and bringing in people as we have to that being said i think michael learned a great deal from starting his company At the on the ground floor fifteen sixteen years ago and buying territory and businesses that are already established in have that existed infrastructure. I think has helped. Mike be able to grow Exponentially more quickly than he would have been able to grow. Had mike head to start all that from square one mike from what to piggyback what. Chris is saying when. I was with the hospitality group. I'm gonna go back eight nine ten years now. And this was the organization where they had a a small number of restaurants and then when i was brought on board he personnel. Were then brought on within eighteen months. After i came on board and it seemed like once these key personnel came in and when i say keep talking everything from accounting in the financial department to the operations department to the hr they started investing in people and then that company skyrocketed and and we were opening one year. We opened thirteen locations in one year one year alone and that was incredible. So with your growth. Have you noticed that there is a trend with obviously surrounding your your your company organization with smart good people to help propel that business forward. Oh yeah i mean that that is the number one asset of any company. Are there people That you know if you want to grow if that's your goal right and and that's our goal. Our goal is to grow substantially and be a market leader in in our industry. So if you want to do that you have to have key people. And there's this old business cliche right. Are you working in your business or are you working on your business right. And so you know if i'm going in every day i'm writing every purchase order. I'm packing and shipping. Every order and i'm trying to call customers trying to collect money and i'm trying to all those things i'm working in the business right which means i can't go work on the business so i would say that you know for us. One of the key things that we had was yes. We hired a couple of key people And gone and put those people in positions that than i have basically relinquished all duty to so. I have an entire group of my team. That doesn't report to me. They report to a customer service manager. And i give her full autonomy to do whatever she wants to hire fire races. Whatever she needs to do within a set of parameters and that's loud me an opportunity to go chase and other things. I think the interesting thing about what you mentioned about hospitality group is also true. That when you get those people out to manage your business for you then it opens up the door to see opportunities for acquisitions mergers yet ever. You might be looking for it. And that was a big to our growth in two thousand nineteen acquired another company saint louis and acquiring that company and doing some things for them allowed us to have the growth. That we've had. And chris is exactly right to. It's a thousand times easier to buy a company with an existing infrastructure and an existing business platform than it is to start one from scratch. It's a whole lot easier now. You still have to run that business. You have to have the right mind about it but it is a lot easier so as you have gone through the ranks of business and and you've been with big business and starting your business and buying businesses can you it. Can you remember key individuals whether positive or negative that mentor. D'you either subliminally or intentionally on your journey. Yeah absolutely i. I would tell you that i'm you know i'm not a great religious guy joey You know but i kind of have a spiritual side that i think everything happens for a reason right and You know. Chris and i personally went through some interesting times together in the early two thousands and you know both of our lives were moving in different directions and there were a lot of different things going on and i i would tell you that First and foremost are the friends that i had around me. You chris jimmy jason Guys that when. I needed some help. Were there to support. You know one of the key. Things that i remember early on was when i started my own company. i I had no money. I was waiting tables nights and weekends. At texas roadhouse wasn't there johnny carino's as well far. Take john that's right. You know and and and i remember. The highlight of my night would be when i could afford the two dollar rib basket. At texas roadhouse in a in a basket of bread at the end of the night but things got so bad that i remember i went to the government assistance office and i thought you know. I'm going to have to get some assistance in and i had nothing wrong with that. There are people that absolutely need that. Yeah i remember sitting in that office. And i remember thinking to myself you know what. Got me to this spot. How did i get here. Because when chris and i lived together in cleveland i had a very successful job with a company and was doing really well and i just remember thinking to myself okay. Something's not right. I'm not doing something right. I left the office. I didn't even meet with the assistance officer. Went home took the next day off. From texas roadhouse. And i spent that day kind of writing down some things and i remember There was a great movie. Called the score with ed norton and robert de niro and that movie came out way later. Pass this but there was a quote in that movie that resonated with me. They took me back to that day. Robert deniro says make a list of everything that you want in life and instead the next ten years getting it piece by piece and i remember sitting in my little apartment that i had and i just made a list and what it really came down to was. I just wasn't working hard enough. I wasn't planning wasn't doing the things that you need to do. Operate a business and that was a real turning point for me but the along the way there are always people you know whether corporately or into directly or indirectly bruce who was at texas roadhouse being a great influence because he gave me a job at you know experience data whatever but i just think that people touch along the way yes and every little piece helps but i i remember thinking that day right there that really when it all comes down to it and you said this in part one as an entrepreneur. The buck stops with you. I mean you are the guy and ultimately your success or failures going to depend on the amount of work that you put into. Chris and let me just trumpet that a little bit in our in our last conversation we were talking about Wins the is there. A right time is the wrong time. And i don't think that there's an answer to either one of those. It's just time. And i remember the conversation when mike. Hey mana said man. i'm i'm moving I'm gonna start my number. That and i'm like you're doing what Win next week and it was it was. I took it abruptly. I mean we were. We were twenty six twenty seven years old. I mean we didn't think like that You know you got up and you went to your job and we weren't. We didn't have a. I certainly did. Mike always has had the entrepreneurial mindset and but he took a leap. And here's a guy that worked all day on on his business and then waited tables at night that to achieve dream and almost an. It's not as often anymore probably once a week. We're able to talk but for so many years. We were on the phone together. Three or four days a week and so when you talk about mentors mike anderson is a is very much a mentor of mine. Because i have been able to. I've had ringside seats to his growth and development and learning how to because you just don't walk into this you just don't read a couple of self help books and know how to buy business and acquire business. It's years and years of of water underneath your bridge of learning how to do this in in the buying process of a company isn't something that happens in two weeks. I don't know i you know my can years. It was years long in the acquisition process. And but every day is just another feather in another nugget of knowledge that you gain in you're dealing with these other parties and learning how to apply that in the future and that is something that i have taken for mike and his knowledge and my ability to to watch him grow and thus apply some of his principles in my own business as i went out on my own is in have hopefully continued and we'll continue to grow just not as not as an entrepreneur but as per citizen man as well. Yeah yeah. I think To give some texture here for some that. That don't know what chris is talking about. You know we've all known each other since we were eighteen thousand nine years old. Maybe you know somewhere in that range and you know i'm forty five. I'll be forty six year. I want to say you guys are right there with me within that range and it's taken and this isn't for everybody. This is an apple goal for every business owner or startup but it takes decades sometimes in order to grow that brand or grow that that idea. And there's a lot of pitfalls and there's a lot of mistakes and there's a lot of gains The hills and valleys if you will throughout the process but jumping back to the to the mentor men. T- aspect. chris. You have an opportunity now you were talking a little bit from the from the restaurant side in your locations you have younger individuals working for you and does it cross your mind that your behaviors your actions. What they see chris doing when he's coming in early in the morning or leaving in the in the evening is affecting them subliminally from a mentor in an example So to speak it apps it absolutely does one hundred percent You have to understand that most now you talk about my employees versus mike's employees. It's really night and day. Because i understood the principles are the same. Yes when it comes to men tori. I have to be so much more than just the boss. You have to teach these kids how to be young adults because most of them don't come from a background that you know Lent itself to be a a hardworking individual but But absolutely and again. I you show up everyday day with a clean-shaven face in your shirt tucked dan because they will absolutely take from that and chris if chris does it did. It's subliminally okay to do so. You really have to just hold the bar at all times. And it's it's a daily process. Just you can have all the ruutel all the rules and protocols and procedures you want in place But if you weren't adhering to that and heavier measuring stick out almost on a daily basis To make sure that that's being seen to then you're you're gonna be you're gonna be sliding in the wrong direction i enjoy. I would tell you. I think chris is. Labor challenge is greater than most companies because a majority of his workers mean their high school. Kids maybe early college. That's not their career choice. You know the probably. The life cycle of a worker at his sub shop is eighteen months. Chris maybe thirty six months. i mean. it's so he's got constantly not only be the example every single day but he's got a completely retrain people you know six seven eight times a year. That's what we found. In the in the restaurants organization that i was with the most challenging aspect was labor cause because those individuals it such high turnover. You know it's it's and that's just the name of the game and i will. I will tell you where. I have found success because i don't have the money to throw at these kids. This some of the larger concepts out there do is you. You just have to be a good ball. She had to provide a good work environment and a good solid culture. Yeah because at the end of the day money makes the world go round but these kids will stick with you as long as they can or will if you provide them a good environment and just some true leadership honesty and You're just. I don't even know how to put it in into words other than you know just being a true leader. Well i have. I have from my standpoint. And i talked about this in the last episode. Was i've been fortunate to work for many organizations. And i've seen a lot of good and i've seen a lot of bad and from a mentor standpoint. I asked my originally in the question you know. have there been individuals that have influenced you positively or negatively. I i'm i'm on that that That let that spectrum there. There have been both and i've been able to take both and learn from it mike then my next question to you from a mentor mentese standpoint. Now when you see that opportunity whether it's a new sales exempt that comes in or any individual within your organization you know are. Is that something. It's gotta be on your on your on your your mind to think of how you can especially if you see raw talent of how to mold that sure i in look. I think you know one of the things. That's key to any business person. Success is peer groups right and surrounding yourself with peer groups and different things. Whatever and you and. I talked about this joey in a private conversation but the american dream is really not to own your own business. The american dream is to sell. That's right. That's that's that's the true american dream i think in order to sell a business. You need a buyer and in order to get a buyer. It's gotta be somebody's familiar with your business and so forth. So yes i mean. I think you know for us and i had mentioned you to this on the phone you know. I'm forty seven. Be forty-seven here soon. I'm already trying to mentor. The person who's going to buy me out in a few years. But i've also we have some young twenty year old employees. I'm starting to mentor them about the possibilities that they have down the road and i think the challenges if you're twenty five. It's hard to see what forty five is going to be right and and to wait that twenty years but But i'm trying to coach them into that in certainly in an industry like ours. It's not as sexy as it right. It's toilets and faucets and flush valves. I mean it's plumbing so it doesn't have that kind of sexy ring. But when i'm able to kind of tell those young people the life experiences that this has afforded me and when it's done for me both personally and professionally that's my goal is to hope that they can see what the future can hold for them. Ultimately it comes down to. They want to put the work in right you. Can you can mentor them. But that's the key they've got to want to put the work in. And i would say that one of the things that it took me a long time to realize really implement was you need to be quick to hire but quick to fire somebody that somebody doesn't meet your culture. They don't need your standards. They don't share your core values. You could mentor them all you want. But if the things it's not gonna work yeah and there's another fit for them somewhere else absolutely under percent and i can. I can tell you with with with with. Mike is saying is and i learned this for my is that one. You always wanna try to be the dumbest guy in the room. You're you're never going to learn anything if you think or are the smartest guy in the room and also While i had a second one here. I guess we i guess we know who is not the smartest guy in the room. I'm just riding coattails here man. how many. How many times have you ever come home until told jill or told harlot or i'll tell cerebral. Yeah i was in this meeting or that meeting. And a and i met sewn so yeah. They're the smartest guy in the room. They're the smartest gal in the room. You just that one person in every meetings got to be the one right. that's right. Yeah and if they're not sometimes they'll tell you they are now. Well chris if you if that thought comes up you just blurt it right out. Man i will. I'll get good at this. Just start taking notes and write this stuff down as we proceed as thoughts. Come out the next podcast. We have with the three of us. It's not going to be a business oriented. We're just gonna have a goof off podcast and we'll have some bourbon and laugh the whole time as long as you can edited. We should just take an hour of telling stories and see which ones we can actually let go have about four minutes of a show that i think your generous. Welcome to the topic of choice. And that's it for tonight. I'll tell you. I tell you what i was thinking and mike always said this and i think this is an extremely balanced. Point is if you truly want to be successful surround yourself with successful people. That was my my second point and i. I know a lot of what were thrown out there as metaphorical but the meaning is very true. And i know mike. And i and you probably know a lot of people and you know guys. We went to college with who never would rise above You know the maybe some of the social aspects of their lives and never could take that next step to get around the right people who could help lead and mentor them to greater things and twenty twenty two years out of out of college. I think we've seen the detriment thereof. Yeah i think there was a there was a period of years in my career where i was the smartest guy at the table when it came to technology and i and i don't know if that was a insecurity aspect that i had of just trying to be the sharpest razor within my peer group with especially with what i do now you know after have been doing almost twenty five years. I wanna surround myself with people way smarter than me every single time because i always have something to learn from them and i'm going to be the first one to now you know. Sit back chris like you were saying and listen more than i speak every single time because i'll always gain something even from the new person that's been in the field maybe a year two years three years or whatever. But but you're never the smartest guy you always have the ability to learn and grow. Mike let me ask you this. What toll has taken and. Let's talk first from standpoint physically. Yeah so you know. I think A lot of this again depends on. What type of entrepreneur you want to be right And what level of work you want to put into it. And i'll kinda give a reference in kinda tell you i sure so. I have a friend of a friend of mine in louisville. Who's a great guy. He's an entrepreneur but his goal and being an entrepreneur was to never miss a baseball practice. Never miss a game right and so you know the work side for him is very minimal and so as as a result is stress level is very minimal but also is income is probably less than what cake right. There's a give and take it's absolute in so. I think that's the same thing here. So i would say you know one of the things that i have not done. A very good job of has been taking care of myself physically. Some of that lens to the type of job that i'm in. I do a lot of entertaining. And and chris would tell you that he knows that is well and although that's changed a little bit here recently because kobe the general premise has always been a sane a lot. Client dinners a lot of trips out of things like that. Sure as i've gotten older and realized how important really that the entrepreneurs as an asset to the company. It's silly not to protect that asset right and so i started doing better Don't drink as much. Don't eat as much me. you know. Starting to exercise more got a long way to go for that. But i would tell you that when you are starting your day at four thirty and you're ending your day at eleven thirty or midnight and you're doing that four days a week for twenty years. Yeah it takes a toll it definitely does and you know. I think anybody who goes into being an entrepreneur. That thinks that they're going to work. Less is kidding themselves. I mean they really are so successful if they want to be successful right or or depending what their definition of success and i was gonna say whatever that looks like to them whatever that looks like them and i think you know as you talk about egging. Same thing with family right you know. I have a friend who's never missed a baseball practice. I can't say that right you know. I'm very fortunate. And then i have a loving wife who understands the role that our company plays in that. I play in our household app to great kids. Who know that you know like my son is going to be turning thirteen. I'm going to be out of town on his actual birthday now. We're going to celebrate. Sure ahead of time but he understands that that's part of my job. Yep you know sounds part of it. That's good yeah. Yeah i say oprah people like who's calling on. That's what we're called chris. Go ahead now and just to to what to what mike says especially in the early on the you know one hundred hour work weeks seven days a week you miss stuff And and if you have a working spouse it it's really. I used to use the metaphorical phrase. We'd pass like ships in the night. Yes and of course you know the kids once. The kids were of a certain age. Like mike says is his is going to be thirteen. They don't need constant care and they're right their self sufficient self sufficient independent. But you know there there are things that you're just gonna miss and You know that. But that's just part of it and you can either accept that going in and if you can't accept it well then you probably in the wrong line of work anywhere but again. It's you have open lines of communication with your family. You tell them what's going on where you're going to be and why you can't do something or why you can do something just you know it. It's tough sometimes. it truly is. Yeah i i've been there. I'm not a stranger to that. I have absolutely been there. I've missed those events. I've been planes in airports and and hotels when you're doing the facetime and you're doing the sorry. I missed this buddy or or you know. Hey show me the replay of the dance and So so there's so many. I'm sure that are listening. That can understand and sympathize with that. But i think that what that does though is. There's that there's that bit of sacrifice now for a greater what do you say greater opportunity later on To where you can offer more. And i'm not talking from a monetary standpoint. I'm talking from a time standpoint. Because you want to get to that point where mike you said you sell. Hey done and where do you want to go. what do you wanna do right. And i believe that there are three things that are tied together right. Ambition sacrificed prosperity right in those three. Those three things are intertwined and dependent on how you tweet. Kim determines different things right. You have to have the ambition to go chase whatever vision you have right and whatever vision you have. There's going to be some sort of sacrifice if you want to grow your business. Two hundred million dollars in whatever bubble bob. You're going to sacrifice time with your family. Probably if your ambition is to spend more time with your family. You're likely going to sacrifice some of that financial success right but at the end of that is prosperity and that prosperity is everybody's individual definition right whether that's financial or time or memories or whatever and there's no right or wrong answer there but you have to really reflect on what you wanna do. I kind of mentioned that earlier when we were talking about. You got to write down that list right. How would you really want and then figure out what it's gonna take to get there when when the hospitality company i was with was they sold. And i went through there. Were two acquisitions that we went through within about a year and a half they were sold and then they were sold again and i and i jumped right and we all know this story. I'm explaining that for the listeners. But i remember after it was all over and it was done and then i moved on to the next opportunity. That final opportunity which is prior to me. Starting my own business. There was no travel. And i remember saying. And i'm gonna miss that or just the the excitement of of of everything that comes with the conferences and the because there's a lot of work with it but you know i enjoyed some of it you know. There was a lot of great experiences. I didn't travel like you. Mike but but there was a substantial amount but it wasn't until probably three months four months in. Let's say six months where i looked and i thought i don't miss it. I don't miss it at all. And now after not being on the road or travelling at all for three and a half years. I can't imagine getting back into it. Then that's me personally and you know. And that's that's where i'm at. You know i'm like you joey. I grew tired of the traveling. I think i think mike it has said to me before. And maybe we'll say again that you know. I travel more than i have to. But i travel. Is i enjoy it. I like being right road again. You talk about the sacrifice it is time gone. It's time away from the family. But there's an aspect of mike's personality in his drive. He just he likes being on the road mike. Mike's always going to be. He's the entrepreneur the sales guy to he. He wants to be out there in front of his customer. Well yeah and. I think that that's a testament to mike and the success of his organization. You wouldn't be where you are without you being who you are. Yeah absolutely and chris christie's right. I like being in front of the customer. I like being in the field. I'm not an office. God not a desk guy not a computer guy you know and i think as we were talking about earlier about surround yourself with people that are smarter than you. I think that's one of the things. I learned early on was the things that i'm not good at and hire people who are really good. Look at the hedge. You know and because every company has to have a face of the company and you know i would say. Chris is the face of his company because he's in the store when the customers come in and they see him and they see how he reacts and same thing for you joy when you interact with clients although it might be virtual today versus versus so and i think that you know it. Look if i had my brothers would i'd. I'd like to stay home and you know sleep until nine thirty and maybe relax on the beach all day. Yeah probably would that just not the nature of things kind of that day's coming that you're working towards right but i think that back to your original question you know any business you do take some sort of toll on u s just is just going to you know. I think that as a business gets bigger. You're able to start kind of only hiring the right people to do some things but you also have resources to hire lawyers. That are accountants People who can take some of those things for you you know. Chris was talking in part one about doing the books main. I had the books and i. I can't tell you how long right now we have a cfo. That handles all that stuff. And and that type of deal. So i can't imagine you know the time that it takes chris to go through all that and so forth. So there's a there's different things you've got to kind of figure out and the tolls at takes whatever but i think as as you get bigger and you start to kind of do some things It doesn't necessarily get easier. It's just a different different kind of challenge now. I don't know if either of you. I know you're not mike an apple guy but i like watching. What's that i that's correct. I know you're i like watching the tim cook. Every september they do the launch the release of the new products. It's i look forward to every september simple. Because i like to see what apple is going to introduce into the world and one of the things you were talking about mike is. Why do you become a business owner wide. You become an entrepreneur. One of those was to influence. Right the the The the people around the world around you. And and i only use apple. Because i watched it this morning because i missed it yesterday and i look at that building. I don't know if you've watched it but go on youtube. And just watch a little bit of this premier and they show the new apple headquarters in depth. And it's it was a five billion dollar office campus that they created in as i was watching it. I was looking at all the people that that it takes to run it to to to work at for everybody from the groundskeeper all the way up to the show and all of the remote individuals. It's a huge organization. And you gotta think it all started way back when and we all know the cupertino cupertino story steve jobs and wozniak and everybody else but it started with that idea and i think it's amazing. That's what i love about. The american dream is that you can have that idea. And and take it to who knows where i know. I didn't mean to digress. On that. I just i love the fact that can build a business that big. I think it's see you see these guys thirty thirty five years ago and they're in somebody's garage or they're in a you know just a white drywalled room and they're the writing on dry race boards and chalkboards and they're lining out a roadmap a pathway to success and again as you said earlier the principles are the same. It doesn't matter the widget. It doesn't matter if it's it doesn't matter plumbing it just. The premise is the same. We all have the same twenty four hours. In a day it's the utilization of those twenty four hours. My day monday through friday starts at zero four. Thirty doesn't necessarily have to but there are certain things that i have to take care of every single day Some of that's personal professional but in order for the all to get done i can't sleep until seven after. Roll the clock back man so those are again. Those are decisions. I make personally and have made for a long time but i don't think that you'll find anybody who is truly successful as an entrepreneur in their business sleeping in and not fully capturing the time that's given us within twenty four hour period. Mike are you zero four thirty. I'm four thirty to five kind of dependent on the day. I'm not as regimented as chris to get up at four thirty but i find my best. Time is between five and seven thirty. That's when i really get the majority of my work done. But i want to touch on what you were talking about apple. My favorite apple story is and i might get some of these names wrong but But to me. This is the true dish definition of Entrepreneur everybody knows steve jobs and wozniak right and a lot of people. Forget ronald wayne right. Who who was a co founder. As well at one point when the business was struggling to whatever he sold his apple shares for eight hundred dollars and i think those shares today would be worth something like fifteen billion dollars. You know in the store. What i like about that story and i've actually used that with some of the younger people. That work for me is when the chips got down. This guy cashed in out where he was out but when it would steve jobs in woes naked was they pushed all their chips in the middle. And i think that's the thing about being an entrepreneur. Is there's a lot of reward there but you've got to be willing to take the risk. Whatever that risk is you know and me. That's the apple story. right is yours two guys. It said you know what we're all in on this thing and look where they look where it took. Yeah yeah so what's next. What's next for michael henderson. Well we're in acquisition mode. Still i think It's been interesting about d- And and kind of what's happened You know companies who have strong balance sheets are well-capitalized. This is actually a great time for those companies Interest rates are at historic lows. Both corporately in personally There's great acquisition opportunities out there. And if you have like. I said a strong balance sheet. You've got a good opportunity to to really extend your credit and do some great things so we're very fortunate in our field to be one of those companies so we're definitely looking at some acquisition opportunities. We'll get expansion opportunities looking at hiring more people and doing some things. So we're we're real excited about that You know you can't control the economy. We're in the construction business and so kind of dependent on how things go Construction can't be up or down. But i think you know our business. We see this as a great time to really take advantage of some market opportunities. Mike how can people find you. Can they learn a little bit about you. Contact you whether it's a customer contact or somebody maybe look into to start up with you guys. How how did they find you. Yes i'm on linked in. You can find me personally. On linked in our company is on linked in Where we also on the web. It's he dash m. and associates google dash m. and associates. They'll take you our website and before we go. Joey don't forget. I want to add my commentary to your soundtrack. Podcast to you. I really liked that podcast. Your friend lisa is a great podcast. Fan girl she's yeah she's fantastic. She was fantastic and garett hundred great too but she was really really good. But i had to offer my three choices at this is in no particular order but i will tell you. My favorite score is last of the mohicans. The violin that that scene right there is just fantastic. And that gets you pumped every time. So definitely put lasted a mohicans. I would put. Probably my best soundtrack overall soundtrack kind of going off of lisa's criteria about number hits gonna go with purple rain on that. Oh yeah there were there. Were four mega. Hits off of that soundtrack and for those of us that were in the twelve to thirteen year. Old range darling. Nikki while not a popular radio. Play a great song. It's sneak that song it. Yeah turn your your your record player way down in the end and then i'm gonna probably put my probably not the best overall. This is kind of going off your quentin tarantino theme. One after go with pulp fiction. Yeah that was stair here is talking about that yeah so so those would be my top three. Those are good choices. My i love your last mohican choice right there. that was. that's brilliant africa. All about that. That i need to watch that movie again. That movies and movie. The violin song is called promontory. And it's great if you you're gonna go get in the gym and get your workout on which i don't do nearly as much as you guys do. But that's a good starter to get you in the mood so that to me. That was now bravehearts a close second. I'll put last of the mohicans up there first. So with that assist. Turn this up a little bit. i love it. Whip at signing off. Michael henderson christopher. Thank you guys once again for joining me This is the topic of choice. Podcast my name is joey. Police could find us on itunes. Google spotify anywhere. You find your your podcast guys. Never get to download rate and review. We'll be here next wednesday. Thanks everybody great joey. Expel always always fond of you guys.

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So, you want to be an Entrepreneur?  Part 2

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So, you want to be an Entrepreneur? Part 2

"Welcome back everybody to. Wednesday episode at the top. One best some. Today graceland. Nursery -tunities, you can call me. Damn. Show. Welcome I guess tonight returning brave your the second time history Chris offered all the way from. San Antonio. Joey Tech for having me. Audit Court sued. I'm looking forward to tonight and then joining us from. INDIANA. My good friend. and. College buddies. Well Michael Henderson Mike. How are you? Good good. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. Glad you could be on here. So let's give some quick. Background to the listeners about the trio here. That's that's talking I. Don't want to give a whole lot but Mike, why don't you go ahead and just introduce a little bit of how the three of US know each other So obviously, we all went to school at k. you had a great time Chris and I were in the same fraternity. Joy was a guy. And? Got To know each other I would say mostly after classes in downtown Richmond was probably the time that we spent most together I course you know my credit joe is at. You'd Sarah met at my house parties. We'd have credit you. Yeah. That's right. That's right. So very. Very. Hard. Yeah. Yeah that was a great party. I. Think it was two thousand one and we even have pictures of that day I believe when we were out on the deck and then into the evening as well and I know there's pictures of that night. Some of those pictures you should burn probably the ones that you. Could. Keep if you got any other go ahead and get rid of those naps. But I think it was great. I mean we've all remained friends ever since and I mean that's in twenty plus years ago so No matter. It's funny. No matter how much time passes from when we all are able to talk and catch up. It seems like. It was yesterday. Yeah, I would agree with that. Absolutely. Yeah. Now Mike you after Ku. We'll do a little bit of just a quick update. You guys are now in Indiana correct. Yeah. So after graduation, I went to work for our fraternity and spent two years traveling with them. It's Ryan. which was a great experience and came back to Kentucky went to work for a company in the plumbing industry manufacturer's representative in the plumbing industry and really the only reason I went to work there is because A fraternity brother work there, and basically got me the job and like a lot of people in there right out of college I didn't really know what I wanted to do I just I needed to make some money. And And really that's what I've been doing ever since I've been in the plumbing industry since nineteen, ninety, six or ninety, seven since nineteen ninety seven have been in the plumbing industry had headed opportunity start my own business in two thousand two sold that business a few years later and then went to work for a company and bought this business in two thousand seventeen. So. So anyone that. The tuning in for the first time here the the So you want to be an entrepreneur part to. Tonight's episode and I've asked Michael to join US tonight. So the last episode, the part one. Chris joined US and Matthew Snotty. We all had a lot in common from the Small Business Entrepreneurship and small business owner and I wanted to I i. don't know how many episodes will have this but I wanted to have a secondary with Michael on because. Michael's. Business has gone way larger than the small business owner and entrepreneur from a standpoint of of opening. A shop for the first time like I'm doing and like Chris did several years ago with with his restaurants and how he's diversifying and how Matthew was even talking in the last episode of he likes that that area that he's in, he does not want to get. To a certain size, right? He was he was saying he likes that that area in that that niche is perfect for him and that's Great Michael on the other hand. Tell us a little bit about your company now where you are your employees and your growth and just tell us a little bit of. Of where you are now then I want to jump back to how you got there. Yes. So I think that you know the kind of the first step is to you know entrepreneur. Sometimes people associate that with somebody who starts a business while that's certainly part of it. You know entrepreneur definitely means somebody who runs a business right owns and runs it his. And I would say that you know for us You know the nice part about where we are now is even though we're much bigger than say you know what people would consider a small business for real estate. Don't worry that's beauty the podcast. We Lost Them Don't wear out. Hey. We lost you there. We lost the problem. Seconds that's all right. Don't worry. We can. I. Can I can cut it. So that I wonder if my Internet was Good Okay my Internet looks good. Okay. Sorry about that now, your. Where do you want me to start over? Yeah. Go Ahead Chris Star with entrepreneur and running businesses in you know kind of where you are my. Okay Kinda Lost Her Yeah. So I think that you know as people look at entrepreneur, you automatically think of somebody who starts a business but really entrepreneur means anybody who owns and runs a business and I think that you'll for us I had both experiences. I. Started My own business from scratch awhile back. And sold that, and this business I actually acquired when I've purchased the business in two thousand seventeen, we had sixteen employees we were doing about thirty, eight, million in sales. Today, we're doing about eighty million in sales and thirty one employees across four states. We have two offices. One in Saint Louis in one in Indianapolis. So we've been blessed to see quite a bit of growth over the last three years in what has transpired to do that But I would tell you that a lot of the challenges are exactly the same things you keep up Chris at night or you at night are the same things that keep me up at night and it might be on a different scale. But but it's basically the same. The same issues I think the interesting thing isn't I. Hope we get into this kind of discussion. There's a real kind of interesting place that you get to as an entrepreneur where you'll early on as owner you're doing everything and I think you know I heard Chris, talk about that in your entrepreneurship part one, you do the books you do the HR. You Bake The bread in the morning you close the store at night. You do all those different things and at some point, your business grows to the point where you just physically can't do that anymore but there's all the you also don't have necessarily the revenue to hire a lot of people and a lot of people call that the dead zone, right? That's kind of in this particular. Area A, lot of people define that as kind of three to six million, right so if you're in that three to six million dollar range of revenue. You're running like crazy, but you just don't have enough money to maybe hire somebody to take those responsibilities for you, and then when you of get above that, you can start to put some pieces in place to kind of free up to do some different things but all of the problems along all those ways remain the same. So in that dead zone, how do you get past that? Has. So that's the that's the million dollar question right and I think there's a great book out there if you ever have a chance to read and I'd recommend it for any entrepreneur it's called traction and it's by this Guy Gino Wittman. And it teaches the system called the Eos, the entrepreneur operating system. And it's a system in a way to run your business and there's some key steps along the way they talk about that tries to. Propel you forward there. Now, some people don't want to get that right. Some people want to remain small and I think when you look at starting a business or owning a business, you're looking for one of three things you're looking to either. Financially do something for yourself. Right make more money or control your own financial destiny. You're looking to manage your time in your schedule, right? I want to spend more time with my kids or whatever, or you're looking to have some sort of influence on a market or the world or have you on a look at it, and so I think that depending on what your goal is will determine you might not ever hit that dead zone. But if you're in that dead zone and you're trying to get out of it, the only way really to get out is to have a system and I think that that's that's nice about this book is it teaches you a system to try to do that. Okay. So Chris let me let me flip question too euro quick from a standpoint of. What Michael was talking about? Hitting. Doing everything as entrepreneurs the business owner. And then. Getting to a point to that dead zone do you feel that that is something? have. You thought about that? Have you hit that at any point? I'm not talking from a financial standpoint but from. The position standpoint. You know from a position standpoint we and we aren't our our our gross, our top line sales art. You know in that in that dead zone. But if you talk about just having multiple businesses and you aware as Mike now Mike started his own business in the early two thousands learn a great deal from that. Spun it off, and then went back to work for a company, and then he has I think again, he can either rebuttal this or or or. Carry forth with the with the statement bought an existing business and then has acquired additional territory on top of that. So whereas my efforts have been more grassroots and I really had to build my own infrastructure whether it's with the restaurants or with the the the small construction company, and then of course, as we grow the property management in our ownership there in the in central Kentucky is we're having to build from the ground floor that infrastructure, and so it is very time consuming and we we we are learning to to delegate that authority and bringing in people as we have to that being said, I, think, Michael learned a great deal from starting his company. At, on the Ground Floor Fifteen, sixteen years ago and buying territory and businesses that are already established in have that existed infrastructure I think has helped Mike be able to grow. Exponentially more quickly than he would have been able to grow had my head to you know start all that. From Square one Mike. From to piggyback what Chris is saying when I was With the hospitality group. We're going to go back eight, nine, ten years now, and this was the organization where. They had a a a small number of restaurants and then when I was brought on board. He personnel were then brought on within eighteen months after I came on board. and. It seemed like once these key personnel came in. And when I say keep talking everything from accounting in the financial department to the Operations Department to the HR they started investing in people. and. Then that company skyrocketed and and we were opening one year. We open thirteen locations in one year, one year loan and that was incredible. So with your growth have you noticed that there is a trend with. Obviously, surrounding your your your company organization with smart good people to help propel that business. Forwards Oh yeah. I mean that that is the number one asset any company. Or other. People. And I think that. You know if you want to grow if that's your goal right and and that's our goal our goal is to grow substantially be a market leader in in our industry. So if you want to do that, you have to have people and there's this old business cliche right? Are you working in your business or are you working on your business right and and so you know if I'm going in every day and I'm writing every purchase order. I'm packing and shipping at every order and I'm trying to call customers I'm trying to collect money and all those I'm working in the business right which means I can't go work on the business. So I would say for us one of the key things that we had was, yes, we hired a couple of key people. Gone you know and put those people in positions that have basically relinquished all duty too. So I have an entire group of my team that doesn't report to me. They report to a customer service manager and I give her full autonomy to do whatever she wants do hire fire. Raises whatever she needs to do within a set group of parameters and that Saudi an opportunity to go chase other things. I. Think the interesting thing about what you mentioned about hospitality group is also true that when you get those people out. To Manage Your Business for you. Then it opens up the door to see opportunities for acquisitions mergers. Yet ever you might be looking forward and that was a big key to our growth in two, thousand, nineteen. I. Acquired Another Company and Saint Louis and you know acquiring that company and doing some things for them allowed us to have the growth that we've had, and Chris is exactly right to A. It's a thousand times easier to buy a company with an existing infrastructure and existing business platform than it is to start one from scratch. It's a whole lot easier. Now, you still have to run that business. You have to have the right mind about it, but it is a lot easier so. As you have. Gone through the ranks of business and been with big business and starting your business and buying businesses. Can You? Can you remember key individuals whether positive or negative that Mentor D-. You either subliminally. Optionally on your journey. Yeah absolutely. I would tell you that I'm you know. I'm not a great religious Guy Joey You know. But I I kinda have a spiritual side that I think everything happens for a reason right and. You know Chris and I personally went through some interesting times together in the early two thousands and you know both of our lives were moving in different directions and there were a lot of different things going on and I. I would tell you that first and foremost are the friends that I had around me you Chris Jimmy Jason You know guys that when I needed some help were there to support you know one of the key things that I remember. Early on was when I started my own company I I had no money. I was waiting tables, nights, and weekends at Texas. Roadhouse wasn't there a Johnny Carino's as well. That's right. You know and and and I remember the highlight of my night would be when I could afford the two dollar rib basket at Texas roadhouse in a basket of bread at the end of the night. But things got so bad that I remember I went to the government assistance office. and. I thought I'm going to have to to get some assistance in and I had nothing wrong with that. There are people that absolutely need that. I remember sitting in that office and I remember thinking to myself. You know what got into this pot? How did I get here because when Chris I live together in Cleveland I had a very successful job with a company and was doing really well. And I just remember thinking to myself. Okay. Something's not right. I'm not doing something right? I left the office I didn't even meet with the assistance officer went home took the next day off from Texas Roadhouse, and I just spent that day kind of writing down some things and I remember There was a great movie called the score with Ed, Norton and Robert De Niro and that move came out way later, pass this but there was a quote in that movie that resonated with me took me back to that day and Robert Deniro says make a list of everything that you want in life and then spend the next ten years getting it peace peace. And I remember sitting in my little apartment that I had and just made a list and what it really came down to was just wasn't working hard enough wasn't planning wasn't doing the things that you need to do to operate a business and that was a real turning point for me. But along the way always people you know whether corporate directly or indirectly Bruce who was at Texas roadhouse. He was a great influence because he gave me a job. You know no experience natta whatever. But I just think that people touch you along the way. Yes and every little piece helps but I remember thinking that day right there that really when it all comes down to it in in you said this part one. As an entrepreneur, the buck stops with you I mean you're the guy and ultimately your success or failure is going to depend on the amount of work that you put into. Chris you know. And let me just trumpet that he has a little bit our in our last conversation, we were talking about wins the is there a right time? Is the wrong time and? I don't make the there's an answer to either one of those. It's just. Time. And I remember the conversation when might hey man said man I'm I'm moving start my number that. And I'm like you're doing what win next week. And it was it was I took it abruptly I mean we were we were twenty, six, twenty, seven years old who we didn't think like that you know you got up and went to your job and we weren't. We didn't have. I certainly did Mike always has had the entrepreneurial mindset and but he took a leap and here's a guy that worked all day on on his business. And then waited tables at night that to achieve dream and almost, and it's not as often anymore probably once a week we're able to talk but for so many years we were on the phone together three or four days a week and so when you talk about Mentors Mike Anderson is a is very much a mentor of mine because I have been able to I've had ringside seats to his growth and development and learning how to because you don't walk into this. You just don't read a couple of self help books and know how to buy a business and acquire business. It's years and years of of water underneath your bridge of learning how to do this in the buying process of company. Isn't something that happens in two weeks. I don't know I you know Mike and it was years it was years long in the acquisition process and but every day is just another feather in the another nugget of knowledge that you gain in you're dealing with these other parties and learning how to apply that in the future and that is something that. I have taken from Mike and his knowledge and my ability to to watch him grow and thus apply some of his principles in my own business as I went out on my own is in have hopefully continued and will continue to grow just not as not as an entrepreneur but as a person is a man as well. Yeah. Yeah I think To give some texture. Here for some that that don't know. What Chris is talking about you know we've all known each other since. We were eighteen nineteen years old maybe you know somewhere in that range and you know I'm forty five. I'll be forty, six this year I want to say you guys are right there with me within that range and it's taken and this isn't for everybody. This is an apple for every business owner or startup. But it takes. Decades sometimes in order to grow that brand or grow that. That idea, and there's a lot of pitfalls and there's a lot of mistakes and there's a lot of gains. The hills and valleys if you will throughout the process but jumping back to the to the mentor. Men T aspect Chris you have an opportunity. Now you were talking a little bit from the from the restaurant side in your locations. You have younger individuals working for you and. Does it cross your mind that your behaviors, your actions. What they see Chris doing when he's coming in early in the morning or leaving in the in the evening is affecting them subliminally from a mentor in an an example so to speak. It APPS. It absolutely does one hundred percent You have to understand most now you talk about my employees versus Mike. Employees. It's really night and day. Because my I understood principles are the same. Yes. when it comes to mentor and I have to be so much more than just the boss. You have to teach these kids how to be young adults because most of them don't come from a background that You know itself to be a a hardworking individual but but absolutely, and again, I you show up every day with a clean shaven face your shirt tucked in because they will absolutely Take from that and it on Chris if Chris does it then it's subliminally okay to do. So you really have to just hold the bar at all times and it's it's a daily process just you have all the Ruutel all the rules and protocols and procedures you want in place But if you weren't adhering to that and heavier measuring stick out almost on a daily basis to make sure that that's being seen to then you're you're going to be, you're going to be sliding in the wrong direction enjoy I would tell you I think Chris is Labor challenge is greater than most companies because. A majority of his workers mean their high school kids maybe early college that's not their career choice. You know the probably the life cycle of a worker at his sub shop is eighteen months Chris maybe thirty six months I mean it's so he's got gotta constantly. The example every single day, but he's got a completely retrain. People you know six, seven, eight times a year. That's what we found in the in the restaurants organization that I was with. The most challenging aspect was labor. Cause because those individuals, it's such high turnover you know it's And that's just the name of the game. And I will I will tell you where I have found success because I don't have the money to throw at these kids this some of the larger concepts out there do is you you just have to be a good boss she had to provide a good work environment and good solid culture. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, money makes the world go round but these kids will stick with you as long as they can will if you provide them a good environment and just some true leadership honesty and just. I don't even know how to put it in into words other than just being a true leader. Well I I have. I have from my standpoint and I talked about this in the last episode was. I've been fortunate to work for many organizations and I've seen a lot of good and I've seen a lot of bad. And from a mentor standpoint like I asked my originally in the question, you know have there been individuals that have influenced you positively or negatively I I'm on that that that let that spectrum there there have been both and I've been able to take both and learn from it. So Mike, then my next question to you from a mentor Mentese standpoint now. When you see that opportunity whether it's a new sales exempt that comes in or any individual within your organization. Is that something it's got to be on your on your on your your mind to think of how you can especially if you see raw talent. Of how to mold that. Sure A and look I think one of the things that's key to any business person success is peer groups and surrounding yourself with peer groups and different things whatever and and you and I talked about this joey in private conversation. But you know the American dream is really not to own your own business American. Dreams, sale. That's That's that's the true American dream I think in order to sell a business, you a buyer, and in order to get a buyer, it's gotta be somebody familiar with your business and so forth. So yes, I I think for us and I mentioned you to this on the phone. You know I'm forty seven or forty seven here soon. I'm already trying to mentor the person who's going to buy me out in a few years but also we have some young twenty year old employees. I'm starting to mentor them about the possibilities that they have down the road and I think the challenge is if you're twenty five, it's hard to see what forty five is going to be right and to wait that twenty years but but I'm trying to coach them into that and certainly in an industry like ours. It's not as sexy as it. Right it's toilets and faucets and flush valve it's plumbing. So it doesn't have that kind of sexy ring but when I'm able to kind of tell those young people, the life experiences that this as afforded me and when it's done for me both personally and professionally that's my goal is to hope that they can see what the future can hold for them multiple. It comes down to they got to want to put the work in. You can measure them but that's the key. They've got to want to put the work in and I would take that one of the things that it took me a long time to realize in really implement was you need to be quick to hire but quick to fire. Somebody. Doesn't need your culture they don't need your standards. They. Don't share your core values. You could mentor them all you want, but if they don't. Think it's not gonNA work. Yeah and there's another fit for them somewhere else absolutely under percent yeah and I can I can tell you what with. With what more Mike is saying is and I learned this for my is that one you always WanNa try to be the dumbest guy in the room you're you're never going to learn anything if you think or are the smartest guy in the room and also The second one here. I guess, we know who is not the smartest guy in the room. I'm just ride coattails here man. How many how many times have you ever come home until told Jill Orr told Harlot or I'll tell Serguei yeah, I was in this meeting or that meeting and. I met so and so and yeah, they're the smartest guy in the room where they're the smartest guy on the room. That one person in every meetings got to be the one right that's right. Yeah. Sometimes, they'll tell you they are. Chris if you if if that. Thought comes up you just blurt it right out man. I will I will. Happen Von Foster. I'll get good at this start taking notes and writing this stuff down as we proceed is the thoughts come out the next podcast we have with the three of us. It's not going to be a a business oriented. We're just GONNA have a goof off podcast and we'll have some bourbon. And Laugh the whole time as long as you can edit it, we should just take an hour of telling stories and then see which ones we can actually let go. About. Four minutes of a show that I think you're. Welcome to the topic of choice and that's it for tonight. I'll tell you i. tell you what I was thinking and Mike always. Said this and I think this is an extremely valid point is if you truly want to be successful surround yourself with successful people that was my second point. And I know a lot of what we're thrown out there as metaphorical but the meaning is very true and I know Mike and I and you joey probably know a lot of people and you know guys we went to college with who never would rise above You know the maybe some of the social aspects of their lives and never could take that next step to get around the right people who could help lead and mentor them to greater things and twenty twenty two years out out of college I think we've seen the detriment they're out now I think there was a there was a period of years in my career where. I was the smartest guy at the table when it came to technology and I and I don't know if that was a insecurity aspect that I had of just trying to be the sharpest razor within my peer group with. especially with what I do. Now you know after have been doing it almost twenty five years. I want to surround myself with people way smarter than me every single time because I always have something to learn from them and I'm going to be the first one to now. Sit Back Chris like you were saying and listen more than I speak every single time because I'll always gain something even from the new person that's been in the field maybe a year two years three years or whatever But but you're never the smartest guy you're you always have. The ability to learn and grow. Mike, let me ask you this. What toll has it taken and let's talk first from a standpoint physically. Yeah. So I you know I think A lot of this again depends on what type of entrepreneur you want to be right and and what level of work you want to put into an aisle. Kinda. Give a reference to tell you I sure. So I have a friend, a friend of mine in Louisville. WHO's a great guy? He's an entrepreneur, but his goal and being an entrepreneur was to never miss a baseball practice never miss a game right and so you know the work side for him is very minimal and so as as a result is stress level is very minimal but also is income is probably less than what? Take Right. There's a give and take. It's absolutely in. So I think that's the same thing here. So I would say you know one of the things that I have not done a very good job of has been taking care of myself. Physically some of that lens to the type of job that I'm in I do a lot of entertaining an in Chris would tell you that he knows that as well, and although that's changed a little bit here recently because Kobe. The general premises always been saying a of client dinners a lot of trips, things like that. Sure as I've gotten older and and realized how important. Really that the entrepreneurs has an asset to the company. It's silly not to protect that asset right and so started doing better don't drink as much. Don't eat as much meat starting to exercise more got a long way to go for that. But I would tell you that when you are starting your day at four thirty in you're ending your day at eleven thirty or midnight, and you're doing that four days a week for twenty years. It takes a toll it definitely does and you know I think anybody who goes into being an entrepreneur that thinks that they're going to work less is kidding themselves. I mean they really are so and. Successful if they want to be successful right or or depending what their definition of success I was going to say whatever that looks like to them, whatever that looks like the damn and I think you know as you talk about taking same thing with family right I, have a friend who's never missed a baseball practice I can't say that right You know I'm very fortunate in that I have a loving wife who understands the role that our company plays in that I play in our household at too great kids who know. That my son is going to be turned thirteen. I'm going to be out of town on his actual birthday now, we're going to celebrate. Ahead of time, but he understands that that's part of my job. You know. So part of it. That's good. Yeah Yeah. Okay. I say Oh people like WHO's calling okay. That's what we called Chris go ahead. Now and just to. To what to what Mike says especially, in the early on the you know hundred hour workweeks seven days a week you missed stuff. And and if you have a working spouse, it's really I used to use the the metaphorical phrase. We'd pass like ships in the night. Yes and of course, you know the kids once the kids were of a certain age you know like Mike says his is going to be thirteen. They don't need constant care and they're right theirselves findus self sufficient and independent but you know there there are things that you're just gonNA. Miss and You know that that's just part of it run and you could either accept that going in and if you can't accept it well, then you probably in the Wrong Line of work anyway. But again, it's you have open lines of communication with your family. You tell them what's going on where you're going to be and y you can't do something or why you can do something just you know it. It's tough. Sometimes, it truly is. Yeah. I've been there. I'm not a stranger to that I I have absolutely been there. I've I've missed those events. I've been in planes in an airport and hotels when you're doing the face time and you're doing the sorry I missed this buddy or or you know, hey, show me the replay of the dance and So there's so many I'm sure that are listening. That can Understand and sympathize with that. But I think that what that does though is there's that there's that bit of sacrifice now for a greater. I'll know great. What did you say greater opportunity later on? To where you can offer more and I'm not talking from a monetary standpoint I'm talking from a time standpoint because you want to get to that point where Mike you said you sell. Hey. Done. and. Where do you WanNa? Go what do you WANNA do right. I believe that there are three things that are tied together. Right ambition sacrificed prosperity. Right, in those three, those three things are intertwined in the ended on how you tweak them determines different things right. You have to add the ambition to go chase whatever vision you have right And whatever vision you have there's going to be some sort of sacrifice if you want to grow your business, two, hundred million dollars and whatever Bob, you're going to sacrifice time. With your family probably, if your ambition is to spend more time with your family, you're likely going to sacrifice some of that financial success right. But at the end of that is prosperity and that prosperity is everybody's individual definition right? Whether that's financial or time or memories or whatever, and there's no right or wrong answer there. But you have to really reflect on what you WanNa do and I kind of mentioned earlier when we were talking about, you gotta write down that list, right? How would you really want and then figure out what it's going to take to get there When When the hospitality company I was with was they sold. And I went through there were two acquisitions that we went through. Within, about a year and a half they were sold and then they were sold again and I and I jumped right and we all know this story. I'm explaining that for the listeners but. I remember after it was all over and it was done and then I moved on. To the next opportunity that final opportunity which is prior to me starting my own business. There was no travel. And I remember saying Ben I'm to miss that or just the the excitement of. Of. Of everything that comes with the conferences and the. Because there's a lot of work with but you know, I, enjoyed some of it. You know there was a lot of great experiences. Now I didn't travel like you might, but but there was a substantial amount. But it wasn't until probably three months four months in let's say six months where I looked then and I thought, I. Don't Miss It. I don't Miss It, and now after not being on the road or travelling at all for three and a half years. I can't imagine getting back into it and that's me personally and and that's just that's where I'm at you know. I'm like you joey, I grew tired of of the traveling. I think I think my it has said to me before and and maybe we'll say again that you know I I travel more than I have to but I travel I enjoy it. I like being right road. You know again we talk about the Is Time Gone. It's time away from the family, but there's an aspect of Mike's Personality in his drive. He just he likes being on the road Mike's Mike's always going to be He's the entrepreneur my the sales guy to he wants to be out there in front of his customer well and I think that that's a testament to Mike and the success of his organization you would be where you are without you being who you are. Absolutely in Chris Christie's right I like being in front of the customer I like being in the field I'm not an office God, not a desk guy not a computer guy. You know and I think as we were talking about earlier about surround yourself with people that are smarter than you, I think that's one of the things I learned early on was the things that I'm not good at and hire people who are really good. Yeah you know and because. Every company has to have a face of the company and you know I would say Chris is the face of his company because he's in the store. You know when the customers come in, they see him and they see you know how he reacts and same thing for you. Joy when you interact with clients although it might be Virgil today versus versus Oh and I think that you know look if if I had my druthers what I'd like to stay home and you know sleep until nine thirty and maybe relax on the beach all day. Yeah. Probably would that just not the nature? Though that days that's coming, you're working for dry but I think that back to your original question. You know. Any business you do take some sort of toll on you. It's just it's just going to you know I think that? As a business gets bigger, you're able to start kind of not only hiring the right people to do some things but you also have resources to hire better lawyers that are accountants, people who can take some of those things for you. I mean you know Chris was talking in part one about doing the books I had done the books in. I can't tell you how long right. We have a CFO that handles all that stuff and that type I can't imagine you know the time that it takes Chris to go through all that and and so forth. So there's a there's different things you gotta figure out and the tolls at takes whatever but I think as as you get bigger and you start to kind of do some things. It. Doesn't necessarily get easier. It's just a different different kind of challenge now. I don't know if either of you I. Know You're not Mike an Apple Guy. But I like watching what's that I said that's correct. I. Like watching the Tim Cook, give every September they do the launch, you know the release of the new products. I look forward to every September simple because I like to see what apple is going to introduce into the world and one of the early things you were talking about Mike is why do you become a business owner wide? You become an entrepreneur and one of those was to influence right the the people around you or the world around you and. And I only use apple because I watched it this morning because I missed it yesterday. And I look at that building I don't know if you've watched it but go on Youtube. And just watch a little bit of this premier and they show the new apple headquarters in-depth and it's It was a five billion dollar. Office. That they created. In as I was watching it, I was looking at all the people that that it takes to run it to to to work it if. Everybody from the groundskeeper all the way up to the to the CEO and all of the remote individuals it's a huge organization. And you gotTA. Think It all started. Way Back when and we all know the Cupertino. Cupertino Stories Steve Jobs and Wozniak and and everybody else. But it started with that idea and I think it's amazing. That's what I love about the American dream. Is that you can have that idea. And and Take it who knows where I didn't mean to digress on that I just I. Love the fact that. You can build a business that big I think it's. You see these guys thirty, thirty five years ago, and they're in somebody's garage or they're in a you know just a white drywalled room and they're the writing on dry race Ford saying chalkboards and they're lining out a roadmap, a pathway to success, and again, as you said earlier, the principles are the same. It doesn't matter the widget it doesn't matter if it's it doesn't matter plumbing it just. The premise is the same. We all have the twenty four hours in a day. It's utilization of those twenty four hours. My Day Monday through Friday starts at zero four thirty doesn't necessarily have to but there are certain things that I have to take care of every single day. Some personal a lot of that's professional but. In order for the all to get done. I can't sleep until seven after roll the clock back. and. So those are again those are decisions I personally and and have made for a long time. But I don't think that you'll find anybody who is truly successful as an entrepreneur in their business. Sleeping in and not. Fully capturing the time that's given us within that twenty four hour period Mike Are you a zero, four thirty. I'm four thirty to five kind of depending on the day. I'm not as regimented as Chris to get up at four thirty but I find. My best time is between five and seven thirty. That's when I really get the majority of my work done. But I want to touch on what you were talking about Apple. My favorite apple story is and I might get some of these names wrong but. but to me, this is the true dish definition of entrepreneur. Everybody knows Steve Jobs Rosiak right at a lot of people forget Ronald Wayne. Right, who was a CO founder as well and at one point when the business was struggling, whatever he sold his apple shares for eight hundred dollars. And I think those shares today would be worth something like fifteen billion dollars you know. In the store what I like about that story I've actually used that with some of the younger people that work for me is when the chips got down, this guy cashed in out where he was out but when it would steve jobs in in. was they pushed all their chips in the middle and and I? Think that's the thing about being an entrepreneur is there's a lot of reward there but you've got to be willing to take the risk whatever that risk is you know and To me that's the apple store. Right is yeah. There's two guys. It said you know what we're all in on this thing and look where they look where it took Yeah Yeah So what's next what's next? For Michael Henderson? Well, we're in acquisition mode still I think that it's been interesting about covid in in kind what's happened You know companies who have strong balance sheets. Are Well capitalized this is actually a great time for those companies interest rates are at historic lows both corporately personally There's great acquisition opportunities out there, and if you have like I said a strong balance sheet. You've got a good opportunity to to really extend your credit and do some great things. So we're very fortunate in our field to be one of those companies. we're definitely looking at some acquisition opportunities looking at some expansion opportunities looking at hiring more people. Doing things. So we're we're real excited about that You know you can't control the economy we're in the construction business and so kind of dependent on you know how things go Construction can be upward down but I think you know in our business, we see this as a great time to really take advantage of some market opportunities. Mike. How can people find work and they learn a little bit about you contact you Whether it's a customer. Contact or somebody maybe looking to start up with you guys how how did they find you? So I'm on linked in a you can find me personally on link GIN. Our company is on linked in where we also or on the web it's. He dashed him and associates of Google Dash Cam and associates they'll take you. To our website and before we go, Joey, don't forget I. Want to add my commentary to your soundtrack. podcasting you. I, really liked that podcast at your friend Lisa is a great podcast fan girl. She's yeah she's fantastic. She was fantastic and Garett hundred great too. But she was really really good. But I had offered my three choices at this is in no particular order. Okay. We'll tell you my favorite score is last of the MOHICANS. The Violin that that scene right there is just fantastic and that gets you pumped every time. So I would definitely put last Mohicans. I would put probably my best soundtrack overall soundtrack kind of going off of Lisa's criteria about number of hits I'm GonNa go with Purple Rain on Ho-. Oh. Yeah, there were there were four mega hits off of that soundtrack and for those of us that were in the twelve to thirteen year old range Darling Nikki while not a popular radio play. Still, a great song. I Sneak Nat Song, Mike? Yeah it turn your your record player way down and then and then I'm GonNa probably put my probably my the best overall, and this is kind of going off your Quentin Tarantino theme to go with Pulp Fiction. The yeah. That was. That was. Talking about that. Yeah. So those would be my top three. Those are good choices my. I love your last Mohican choice right there. That was that's brilliant Africa at all about that that I need to watch that movie again movies. The violence song is called promontory and and it's great. If you if you're going to go get in the gym, get your workout on which I don't do nearly as much as you guys do but that's a good starter to get you in the mood. So that to me that was now bravehearts a close second but I put last of the Mohicans their first. So with that. was just turn this up a little bit. I love it. Up At. Signing off Michael Henderson Chris Alford. Thank you guys once again for joining me This is the topic of choice podcast Joey police could find us on itunes. Google spotify anywhere you find your your podcast guys forget to download rate review will be here next Wednesday. Thanks Everybody Gray Joey. Fellow. Always always. Of You guys.

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Lucy Dacus on Making One of 2021's Best Albums

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Lucy Dacus on Making One of 2021's Best Albums

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No burden came on two thousand sixteen. Her secont called historian. Both were checking out. You put a great. Ep called two thousand nineteen in two thousand and nineteen. She was also in an indie supergroup called boy genius with her friends. Julian baker and phoebe breeders who we had on the podcast last year and in the interview. We talked about the making of home video. The art of songwriting. The future career lucy's love for bruce springsteen and really a whole lot more. Let's get straight into that interview. You have a pretty interesting. songwriting method. Your songs come together without an instrument. You have the lyrics and the melody and then you go to your guitar and figure out what the cords are and build the arrangement from there. What are the sort of advantages and disadvantages of working that way. I feel like it works for me. Just because if a song can't function somewhat like a poem or like if the story isn't there I don't think that i can save it with music. I feel like. I just like writing songs that function without any instruments in fact like thumbs on my record. I wish that i could have just sung it. Acapella but the arrangement we got to was like as close as we could get to that without a sounding weird so and i asked. You was has like to me actually. That's that's really funny. I was going to ask specifically about that arrangement as everyone keeps talking about. That is a song that you'd start performing live and fans had agreed with your request to you know sort of not league it online and and leave it as a special thing but it's a very intense song that affect that people really deeply continues to people really deeply but then you had to capture and record after all that and i think you did so with with amazing. Subtlety which tends to be a hallmark of recordings to me is that is that sort of subtlety and tasteful -ness of of never anyone overplaying always focusing on the song but that must have felt like a particular challenge. Oh one thank you. That's really nice but then to yeah. It was the hardest song on the whole record. Because i thought oh. It'll be really easy. I'll just play guitar and sing it. The way i've been doing live. It's how people have heard it. But i just couldn't get it right and we actually tried many takes like that and the first night everybody in the studio wept including me and i work with dudes. We've all known each other since we were teenagers and they're not always like emotional. It was like a very striking moment for all of us. We all hugged. We went outside. The smokers all had a cigarette. And we're like can you believe we'd known each other all these years to lead up to this moment and then we listened back the next day and it was shit her so we tried a full band idea. Didn't really it sound cool. But it wasn't right. And so. I said i wish i could just sink cappella. And that's where we came up with the idea of just getting a vocal track just to build on and we kind of like put things in took them out and like experimented but the vocal track. I just saying to nothing and we ended up with just a super personality. Lists sent a occasional sub base and a wind. Sound all you need. The songs gap apparently obviously the sentiments expressed in that song a very particular to a particular situation. But there's you know you let out these fantasies of violence and and you know. I mean we should step back and explain. This scenario is estranged father of a friend. You're not just randomly fantasizing about doing violence. It's a someone who must have clearly done something to occasion said fantasies. Tell me about letting yourself go to that because obviously it succeeded artistically eh. You mean in writing. Yeah so i wrote it on a car ride to dinner. I was in nashville recording some of the songs from the two thousand nineteen ep that i did and we were just headed to this tie restaurant smiling elephant and i wrote the entire song. Just one pass which surprised me a lot because the event that it's about happened many years prior i think like five years prior and i hadn't been thinking about it at all and my friend that it's about we hadn't even talked in a little bit so we actually got to the restaurant and i thought i was going to throw up so i had to sit in the car while they got a table and i had to dislike having a good cry and keep the door cracked and like hang my head between my knees Which sounds so dramatic but is literally true and maybe life is just dramatic. Sometimes so yeah. I don't know why it came on. And that's part of why i started playing it. Live is like i was trying to figure out where it came from and what it meant to me and like how i could get through it without feeling sick of crying and ultimately like having a year of playing. It live did that well. It's funny that the two thousand nineteen ep. Or whatever release covering those songs covering things like it dancing in the dark and in the air tonight and getting those because in order to you didn't just cover them. You kinda rearrange them really got under their skin is songs. What did the experience of kind of not just learning the songs but again getting under the skin of such classic and sort of classically constructed songs. Do if anything to the way you approach. Songwriting right after that. I learned so much. That's probably the thing in my life that i've learned from the most in terms of music maybe other than boy genius on a writing side but sonically lake the i learned so much about the studio and about production and mixing and like pre-empts and mike's and pedals especially in the air tonight the phil collins song. I didn't know anything about sense. And since can be anything. And i know there's like this trope of like indie bands finding since like a couple of albums in and i don't know about a trope since cool and yeah they can be anything and i think. I told myself that so many things were off limits like sense in pianos even like acoustic guitars as like these connotations. Just don't match. What i want to go for and i think i would just really didn't like people automatically lumping me into americana because i don't feel like i make america music maybe folk but Yeah i think it was like just seeing like a little white girl with the acoustic guitar. People are really quick to just say new americana act so i wanted historian to be like distortion and electric guitars really fat drums. But this time around in after doing those covers. I was like you know what. Let's just make the perfect noises that we can think of with whatever instruments are at our disposal and whatever technology we have in is the piano on the record. Play by you know well on hot and heavy one of the pianolas and maybe there's another song but pretty much everything you hear is either me jacob lizard. Our guitarist also played bass. And a bunch of keys. And jake finch played drums but also some guitars and keys and other things power. Your passes for less during dell's exceptional black friday july event. Enjoy up to four hundred dollars off high performance del. Xps laptops and desktops along with next level illingworth systems all powered by intel core processors shop special prices and stunning dell monitors top brand electronics and accessories. 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Family only as the landlady thirty years earlier had rescued them from homelessness when the arrived from pakistan but the search takes shaheen deep into possibly unfriendly territory. The stories from homemade will inspire you as much as they did me search for homemade anywhere. Listen to podcasts. That's two words home and mad by thanks to homemade for their support. There's a moment on hot and heavy when the sort of a piano lick comes in over the instrumental part. And it's probably you're obviously springsteen fan. I it seemed like the most overt springsteen moment in your own songs. I don't know if it struck me that way. Yeah that's actually the piano played. I didn't think about that in the moment but people have told me that and it is a huge compliment and it also makes time. Because i've been listening to him probably more than any other artist like for my whole life. Also call and pastor who's like my friend and co producer. He's huge bruce fan. So i'm sure that if i'm not making the reference maybe he is but actually at the time i was thinking about that song close to me by the cure the instrumental on that the kind of linke piano line. That's what was actually running through my head. That's how it goes. You aim for the cure and ended up springsteen just just the way influences not a bad place to land honestly. How did the boy genius experience you said. That was the other big learning experience. What were the big takeaways from that for you. I think that it's just helped me on. Like a very deep level to know that there are people that i can go to and like look the mini is and they can tell me like that's fucked up or that's amazing and i just like really trust them on a personal level just like as a human being but i guess songwriting wise. I think it just made me feel like a lot. More was possible and welcomed and That like fear doesn't really protect you from that much after all. Because i guess like some fear is warranted but i think i was dealing in more fear than i even realized i think it was keeping me back from saying a bunch of so. Yeah they're great the sort of joke or whatever of the of the name boy genius. Is that basically your new. These male artists who've been told they geniuses all their lives in the idea was maybe can act like them like sort of you know. Carry yourself with that swagger. Have you gotten better at at being the genius to borrow the term. I feel like it's now a mood that i can access. I would not say that. I'm constantly walking around like a superstar genius fellow but sometimes they'll have an idea and i'll feel myself say like that stupid and all actively just be like shut up. I just tell my inner critic to shut up more often. And i have written a lot more because of it. I don't know if it's better or worse but it's certainly like more. I think it's a little more funny. I feel like the the stakes are actually kind of lowered. When you respect what you think. I think it's going going gone. Has those prominent backup vocals. And i think that's the one that the end when you kind of thank everyone in the take. We hear you like. I owe you and everything. What was what actually went down with the actual physical recording of that. Everyone was actually got together. Yes so we did that october. Seventh of twenty nineteen. I'm pretty sure. Bbn julian were in town and the day before is when we recorded vocals on hayley williams record and before going going gone. We recorded the vocals for julian song. Favor phoebe song graceland to and i know the end and please stay on my record in julian. Did of ocalan triple bear as well. And then yeah. I just got like maybe a dozen or more people in the room that i really love like some friends drove up from richmond to be there liza in their midst. Is there being joined. Were there My friend ali just like a bunch of singers and non singers and it was all of us in the main tracking at racehorse. Which is where i record and one mike in front of me. Maybe a couple of weeks in front of the group video and then three guitarists including harrison whitford from phoebe band doing like more leading stuff. I think they were all around a dynamic mike and we just pushed record saying the song and push stop. It's like a single. Take no editing and shannon. Everett mixed the record and he sent one bounce back. That didn't have the like talking at the end. And i was like no. You have to put it back. That's my favorite point. I think in the whole record because we actually didn't even take photos that day so it's like it feels like the documentation of the room itself. It does feel like that. I think you've been asked this before but maybe it changes day by day. What are your thoughts on a either some kind of other official project product. What am i thought. What are your predictions. What are your. I would love to do something like that. I think we all would. But i don't know we've all had really busy years putting out our own stuff in. It was on purpose that we all wanted to put out a new record. And i don't think that it's for sure because nothing is but We definitely like plan to hang out. There's at least. I think like a group chat at the at the very least. Oh there's a very healthy group chat between us yes. It transition from going going gone to partner in crime is really interesting because this sort of everything sonically about the songs is different. It's almost like you're not sonically on the same album between those and yet it really works. I don't know how conscious you were of that. Sort of sonic transition. Yeah it was. Thanks for putting it out. 'cause going going gone is probably the least edited song we've ever done and then partner crimes. The most edited song that we've ever done and originally wasn't supposed to be the auto tune was supposed to be temporary. Because i just sounded like shit that day But then i thought it sounded so awesome and started influence the guitar tone and the drums see. I wanted to feel high contrast. I also feel like at that point in a record a little more than halfway. You got gotta do something to re-engage the listener so that they're not feeling like everything is to me in order to get them through the end of the record totally and it works. I mean it feels like you have a fairly nuanced take on the relationship described in that particular song in fact it seems like you're you're more real problem with with the kid and brando. I could be wrong. But that's almost how it feels. And if you followed the latest twist in the cat person discourse today. Because they don't think i have all right the just take a step back for a second for anyone who's not sure exactly what we're talking about there was a new yorker short story that went super viral called cat person and now there is a new essay on slate in which a young woman says that her life was the inspiration in part for this short story. Which is about an unfortunate encounter with a man and a younger woman but she says the details all got changed and the guy wasn't as bad in real life as he appears in the story. And it's just prompted a lot of debate about fact versus fiction which is rather relevant to what lucy is doing in her songwriting. That's really interesting. I mean wasn't it fiction right. It was it was fiction but apparently very some of the i. Yeah i think that all parts of it are so interesting because as a piece like it stands alone and just because it's based in truth doesn't mean that you have to tell facts in a story so like i think it's totally fine to just right and know that that exist in whether it's based on someone actual you've created characters even if you said here are the facts. It's still fiction. I think because of how you curate. i don't think there's such a thing as nonfiction. Personally i think that is like a delusion. The people have Because even science changes all the time you know be. I've i have been dealing with this in my life specifically about brando The guy that it's about hit me up and felt hurt and we don't talk anymore and it was like really painful but i took it to heart. You know that he didn't i wanted it. Feel cheeky and playful and it was about ten years ago. But you know he's like. I'm still a real person and i'm like that's so true and he asked me then and i'll do it now to say that our friendship wasn't all bad you know like i was representing like one aspect and also from my perspective. Be of course. There's people who are implicated at least in this album. There's like real people implicated on every song and so that has made my stomach turn constantly like before putting it out even after putting it out. These past couple of weeks have felt really unstable. Just felt like i'm interacting with different levels of praise and disappointment bia. To hetty not seemed like you kind of seemed like an advanced you both expected and we're a little concerned about because you felt like these people would recognize themselves Yeah i think what's cool bar brando is. It's so hyper hyper specific. It's about a friend who had in high school who identified very strongly with certain classic movies and stuff and i guess built his personality around that and just kind of like calling him on his bullshit throughout this song. But i find it very interesting song because it's it's not about some Some of the songs on the album and general can be about big betrayals big things. This is just sort of a much smaller sort of microcosmic annoyance or feeling. And i think that's what's seems unique to me in that way as far as sasco. Yeah i think it's the smaller indiscretions that have longer life spans in some cases because they slipped by unbeknownst to you you learn a lesson and sometimes you don't realize you've learned a lesson in you just carry it through your entire life you know and that was in this case what happened like i learned a lot from this friendship that i've actually had to like kinda unlearn and their stuff. I did learn that. I have kept with. That has been really great but yeah it's not something like a betrayal or a great loss or something that you absolutely have to notice if it happens to you. It's something that i don't know it might occur to you like it did with me like many years after the fact you told me to go to the movie new car. How much else already has it been. Factor of hearing people hearing from people who are depicted on the has been happening in other capacities. Well i had long conversations with my friends like thumbs and christina about before i even recorded them just to ask their permission because those relationships really valuable to me and it was really sensitive content and Basically the conversation is just continued in those been the thumbs one has been only kind of like beautiful and like really really good for our friendship and Christine it's been a little murkier. There are still some people. I am wondering if they will hit me up. I'm some of them. I really hope that they don't and some. I would be so curious if they actually did so. I don't know it. It still feels like it could come at any moment. Triple dog dare. Which is the closing. Track is pretty amazing song. It's almost eight minutes long. And it has a lot of sort of rising and falling. And it kids. A pretty big crescendo chair. Tell me about crafting songs like that. And it feels like. I don't know how that works with your with your sort of process of no instruments in the composition. Because there's so much going on there. I'm starting to think that along. Song is just a failure of editing. I'm a sucker for a long song. And i'm actually really happy with triple dog dare. But the only reason it's long is because. I didn't finish saying what i needed to say. I think that if you can tell a story in two minutes and it's concise and it works that's to me like even more impressive than along song. I think the thing that is impressive about along song like if it works if you can engage someone's attention throughout the whole thing that's maybe kind of unique without it being like a jam situation and i think that that's kind of my goal. Whenever i end up writing. I read a lot along songs. It's just because i have more to say and for triple dog dare the first many minutes like the first three verses there's no repeated parts and there's just this like growing loop we use this pedal called infinite jets. It's like a hologram pedal that kind of randomize is basically modular since that randomized sound like fed kind of like an ambient gatherer track through it. And i like kind of like turned up. The intensity of it as the minutes went on like microscopic turning the knob and. I think that that kind of really subtly builds the tension over those many minutes. Hopefully it works. I think that song feels kind of like a little short film anyways because it's very like visual and there's lots of settings and really distinct characters so maybe that helps as well one. Here's something amazing. Discover matches all the cash back you earn credit card at the end of your first year automatically with no limit on how much you can earn. How amazing is that. in fact. it's even more amazing because of all the places were discovered is accepted ninety nine percent of places in the us that take credit cards so when it comes to discover get used to hearing yes more often they're more discover dot com slash. Yes twenty twenty one nelson report limitations. Apply do you own a renter home. And i bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico. Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. It's geico visit geico dot com today. Geico dot com. This album was built around your your sort of your your journals from when you were young. Was there anything that you wrote. You allowed yourself to as as we've discussed to get pretty personal and revelatory and to drawn on real people in relevance. Was there anything that still got too close and ended up leaving out songs. That were just still untouchable. Yeah there's some songs that. I haven't finished because i don't think have gained the insight or the wisdom in order to know what to say to myself and there are a couple of topics that no i do not want to engage with in a public forum or maybe i'm still afraid of those phone calls that i would get. There's one song that we cut from the record. not because it didn't fit it was like perfect semantically. it was about in second grade. I had this friend that we would go practice kissing for our future boyfriends It's called like kissing lessons but it was too cute like we on the album which is like very lush and warm and nostalgic. It was like too punky and precious. It's like really short so we had to cut it just because it didn't fit the vibe interesting you can save that for the cute record. I guess i don't know if there's going to be that one. Never know. Never know i have noticed this consistent thing of americana is like the thing that you've always least wanted to be that is late term. You're like allergic to which interesting is i. I don't really ever hear much grounds in your music to ever for anyone to have ever applied that term so it was it just sort of a theoretical where people actually throwing that people definitely were especially after the first record and i think my singing voice at the time you can hear my southern accent in the first one which like. I've always had a little bit of a southern accent. My dad's from mississippi. My mom's from chicago. I lived in virginia. It comes and goes depending on who. I'm talking to and people were like root see and yeah it's just straight up americana to be honest home. Video was the number one americana album debuted at number one on the billboard chart of americana so even this record is somehow classified as americana. Which i don't understand but also like i don't i think america's sucks like i don't know the term. It's like i think folk music is cool. I think americana. It's almost like this. Like like i just take objection with the word itself. I'm just like. I don't wanna be representing a history of american music folk doesn't bother me americana just feels like. It's invoking. this historical precedent that. I think i have nothing to do with your fourth of july post. I guess you're not you just not feel in that whole thing. Our government's the worst. I mean it's like we're maybe it's propaganda to say that we're lucky to be here but like you know we are just like the evil the us military's like the most evil institution in history today. But anyways i know that also you would finish this record well before the pandemic at least finish the recording. You're mixing and mastering throughout the second half of last year. I guess but what about the whatever writing you've done in this sort of end there's weird. There's a bunch of artists like that. They've had this like intervening period. They have records done. And then there's this shadow period did. Did you get some writing done. We very productive during the pandemic is everyone was was forced to push to be. Yeah i definitely didn't put it on myself to let go right the great american novel. But i did right. I just like always do. If someone forced me to go into the studio tomorrow i could make a record but a lot of it would be on the fly. I realized like anything right now is not gonna come out for like three years. So part of me like doesn't really want to write. Because i don't wanna feel this amount of space that i did for home video between writing the songs and having people hear them. So yeah. I'm i'm actually like trying not to write and still writing sometimes Now that you've kind of dug deeply into your own kind of childhood and upbringing. How does that affect your thinking about where to go next for subject matter. I mean there's all the songs that i am not brave enough to share yet so maybe by the time i have to put out a new record half to. I never have to put out a new record. Want to Maybe i'll be brave. Then i have two themes that. I'm interested in and i mean it's so far off i can probably just say but like i haven't really written any love songs Ever which. I don't know if people noticed. I have a song about having a crush and i have a lot of songs about like loving your friends or complicated relationships. I have the one breakup song nightshift. But i kinda like have been dabbling in trying to write love songs. And then there's like this impending family album that i don't want to make but i know that i can about your family. Yeah that'll get some phone calls. Then i mean that's what i'm saying. I know i could make it. I just don't want to. It's weird because actually triple dog dare in some ways is a song to me. Well i mean. I think that's true but why do you say that well i. I think you're it. Sounds like at least in the time that you're seeing about the narrator is in love ed moments with the person they're seeing them. Yeah yeah. I guess that's pretty simple and it. Yeah i mean. That's the only song on the record. Where i like wrote a fictional ending. The first two thirds are based in what really happened and then like for them to actually run away like. That's not what happened in real life. The mother just kind of got in the middle of our friendship the mother her mother and we kind of like stop hanging out and then sort of were antagonistic towards each other. It's only like in recent years that i have admitted that there was probably some that there was like a romantic element there so i guess you're right. It just feels like feels complicated. Like i just want to write like simply love songs like i. You know when you feel like. That's a love song. And i i want to be the type of person that can right from that place totally because it's one of the to write a straight ahead simple love song as original. It's one of the hardest things in the in the world. I would imagine yeah But yeah i mean right. Triple doctor at the end. There's a fantasy of literally running away to the point where they put put your face on the milk running away together to that extent disappearing forever. So that's i mean that's has a romance to it obviously yeah But that's the rest is all reading your palm and everything the mo the mom somehow. That is very specific. Yeah she was a catholic psychic. So do that what you will the processing that's necessary to transform these parts of your life into art. How has affected the way you now look back at some of the just generally your childhood. Now that you've made this this album. Now that i have converted memories to art do i am. I always looking to do that. Whenever i remember things or has it changed the way you see just like those years. Your life teen yeah. I think i've learned. I've learned not to trust myself. Which sounds really bad but i think that it's actually been good in like myself up to the inevitability of change because i think because i journal much. It's like i set in inc. What i thought of the moment so it actually feels like that's just the truth in that all exist forever so it's harder for me to Admit my own perspective or change. What i say about the events of my life but writing. These songs are kind of like a revision process. And that's okay. It doesn't make the journals wrong. It's just like that's what i thought at the time and this is what i think now and maybe i'll make a record in twenty years. The is a revision of home video. And that sort of gets back to your idea that abide by its nature fiction. Yeah i think you started playing guitar after you saw like a camp counselor with a guitar. He thought it was cool. And you bought a guitar and then you were used to write songs for fun at sleepovers. Which isn't which is a very wholesome and our artistic those are cool sleepovers and then it became a solitary process. Were you writing songs early songs at the same time as some of the events on this record and are there like sort of early versions of songs about the same events in some cases not so early as middle school. I mean these songs are about that era. like cartwheel's a really good song to bring up in terms of like middle school and like my group of girlfriends at the time like before puberty started and before like boys were the most amazing thing in the world Yeah we would just like sit around and write songs about. I mean like god or write songs better crushes or about traveling and like are or like pretended heartbreaks like we would just write songs that were basically mishmash from what we heard on the radio. I don't think any of that content would be usable. it was all pretty bad but you have to start at some point so i guess like without realizing it. I was like practicing songwriting for very many years. Before i wrote a song that i thought i could share with. People is strikes me as sort of the opposite of that the idea of the swaggering boy. Genius that you had written all the great songs on your first record with no particular plans to sort of let them out. What was your mentality at that time it. How did you sort of start. What was your path into writing as seriously as those songs as opposed to just sorta messing around before that I mean my first songs which like not not even a no burden. The first songs that i showed to friends like these are my songs a lot of them. Were just trying to participate in something. Like i had a lot of friends that made music and so i think i just wanted to have something to share and then it kind of like amped up. When my i love went to college and started dating poet. And i was like i can be. Your poets started writing poetry and some of them became songs. And i would get on garage band and just like using the internal mike of my laptop but for no bird a lot of those songs. I wrote in procrastinating. Schoolwork or actual work like. I would just prefer to do that then. Whatever i was doing. I don't know how to really describe it. I think a lot of writers also struggled to say like the song is just there. I don't often get to choose when it's there. I think that it's really just like a skill to like realize that you're thinking something that you ought to write down and have you thought about the fact that you seemingly couldn't recognize what the world would soon recognize that that these were really fucking good. Well that's nice yeah. It wasn't like a low self esteem thing. It was like a didn't need anything from the songs they were. And that still feels true. Even though it's like my job now. I never dreamt of being a musician. Like i've never been attracted to the lifestyle or like the glory or like you know almost famous that whole like people that are obsessed with you and that's like actively something close to a sickness. I think i really don't think that that's like a healthy goal. I know so many people whose goals to be a star and like. I don't know i guess i do. I care very much about songs and like writing. But i've never really sought any gain from them. I'm people think that they're good. Yeah i guess. Maybe i'll stop all just stop there that make sense you ended up and this is something that happens to a lot of people who come from a small scene and then become the most successful personnel small. Is you end up driving yourself out of your own senior on hometown. I mean that is basically kind of what happened isn't it. Yeah said. I love richmond so much i was planning on being there. My whole life and the scene was so awesome in twenty. Ten to twenty fifteen was like mostly. When i was involved every night of the week you could go to a fully local bill and it would be like a full crowd and like friends and it definitely like replaced church for me for a while and i only started playing shows because i had friends that were like. Hey we know you make music and we need an opener. You have twenty minutes like you have to do it. People kind of just like gently pushed me into that and it's not like they're big. I mean there's a huge hardcore scene. But like i would play bills with bluegrass bands and rappers and psych bans and other songwriters and folk punk and it just felt like people put on shows for something to do and nobody was really thinking about making it big and if you did like that was just sincerely not the vibe. You know one of my friends who i love. And he wasn't trying to be mean he was like yeah. The scene changed after you started kind of like making it and it hasn't been the same since that weighs on me and i think some people resent me a lot of people are super supportive but it breaks my heart walking around richmond and like encountering people from that time some of which. Just don't see me as a person whether they think they're being nice or mean. So yeah i moved to philly and you live in a multi like with like five other people or something six six and how has that been for like your state of mind and creativity to be bustling communal situation. So good really really good. I've never lived alone. I don't know if i've ever like it. I think if i lived alone i would It'd be bad for me for a couple of reasons. I just liked the hustle and bustle. And somebody like reminding me that i exist. You know like addressing me and be like. Hey i'm like. Oh yeah i'm i'm a person and i live with some musicians and some non musicians and it's fun to like go our basement and play music that no one's ever going to here and it's really renewed my sense of lake enjoyment out of music. You started like a semi fake synth pop band or something during the something not exactly. No yeah we i'm trying to think of. I should even talk about this. Because sometimes something so precious that i'm like should i just hold my tongue in keep to myself. Yeah we are too. I think you said it was okay. Maybe this is already been called okay. Fine it's called cards to and the two rules are Every song has to be about cars in every song has to be a different genre. That's awesome and finally because we're running out of time you wanna name a couple of your your favorite springsteen songs and say why am curious. Oh yeah i mean. A lot of my answers are nostalgic. And probably a lot of answers are i know. Like springsteen fans are gonna all want deep cuts but i mean jungle. Land is a masterpiece of songwriting atlantic city masterpiece. I really liked the song long while comb which is a later tune. And that's one that my dad used to play on guitar. I feel like people get dragged for loving nebraska. But it's just good. There's one on the new record that my dad sends me to look up the title really quick. Oh moonlight motel might add. Yeah just like sends me that song and says oh have some dust in my eyes totally beautiful my like number one life priority is to go see bruce with my dad. I've never seen him and that's like it's very crucial that we do that together. And that's our show for today. Thanks so much to. Lucy davis for joining us. Check out her album video rolling stone music now will be back next week. Here on sirius. Xm's vying in the meantime we are a podcast. Download us as a podcast. Subscribe to us as a podcast. If you can leave us a nice review on itunes seriously that is really appreciated but as always thanks for listening and we'll definitely see next week.

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Ice-T: Crip Rhymes, a Cop Killer, Thieving Jewels and Inventing Gangsta Rap

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Ice-T: Crip Rhymes, a Cop Killer, Thieving Jewels and Inventing Gangsta Rap

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Guys are you like me thirsty all the time, but you forget to hydrate struggle to get eight glasses of water a day because well, waters a pretty boring drink when you think about it these different yet do you have a sweet tooth? You taste buds crave something more mio is GonNa sort you up mio fixes the bland boring taste of water with the flavor your taste buds deserve. It comes in a variety of different flavors just a squeeze you to fix water with a bold flavor. The best part is it's zero calories. That's right. Neo Neo is zero calories, five mio and your local retailer to fix the bland volume taste of water with the flavor your taste buds deserve. Graceland is a production of iheartradio double elvis media. Stories about ice tea aren't saying. He was orphan at a young age Cuba crips street gang affiliate. Nice. Cool. Then a soldier in the US army where he learned the skills necessary lead in La based crew a jewel-thieves as an emcee he literally invented Gangsta rap and hardcore. Frontman. The scorn of the president of the United. States. For the past twenty years is Madonna's FYNT TOLA to most Americans. Okay. Most Americans who parents age on television's longest running action series law and order. Special Victims Unit? But back in the day I, tea made great, music. Unlike that music I played for you at the top of the show that wasn't great music that was a preset loop from my Melenchon called streetwalking heater m. k. to I played that loop because I can't afford the rights to to be with you by Mr Big. And why would I play that specific slice of soft rock shudder cheese could I afford it? Because that was the number one song in America on March, Tenth Nineteen Ninety two, and that was the day that ice. T's band bodycount released their self titled Debut Featuring the Song Cop killer a song that would bring down the wrath of the United States government onto the rapper turned rocker in nearly derail career. On. This episode CRIP rhymes jewel. Heist cop killers in the og original gangster ice tea. I'm Jay Brennan. This. Is this graceland. George H W. Bush. The forty first president of the United States was sitting in the Oval Office distracted and confused. Distracted by his reelection, which was being challenged by surprisingly formative opponent pudgy southern Democratic governor from mystique few voters could even fight on the map and who had seemingly say anything to win. The tactic proved ineffective defense to his own campaign operatives who were fast becoming notorious for their willingness to do anything to win and the president was confused by the topic music. His chief of Staff Samuel Skinner was trying to explain it to him. He's rapper what is it criminal? The president asked we think so I don't understand why are we even talking about this because he wants to kill COPS Then the president's man read him the lyrics I've got my twelve gauge sawed off of my headlights turned off about to bust some shots off from about to dust some cops off I'm a cop killer better you than me cop killer fuck police brutality. The president. Seemed shocked by the lyrics by what he learned about the band and in particular the singer's popularity we can't have this. The president said especially in a reelection year his chief of staff thought. What are we doing about it? The president wanted to know. The insincerity of his concern when ignored by everyone in the room, they were too smart to see it as anything. But opportunistic nonetheless, they knew its value necessary red meat to throw to the base cook up some family values drama throw a little scare in a suburban voters and motivate them to get to the polls on rock the boat. The president's chief of staff explain what had been authorized thus far a four bureau check the FBI. Secret Service IRS NSA had all begun independent probes into the musician. His real name was tracey marrow his stage name was ice tea. The name further confused the president, his chief of staff explained that no, this was a different rather than the one. They had previously told about the one we said, fuck, the police chief of staff ignored the president's confusion focused on the opportunity. For Bureau check was no joke. It meant a substantial amount of the federal government's weight have been deployed to dig into ice teas background. Lyrics he wrote from the perspective of a character he created who is fighting back against police brutality iced tea had witnessed it firsthand coming up on the streets of drug crimes stir in south central Los. Angeles where the racist at the time LAPD ruled through a hard mix of violence and intimidation. So. What do we know about him? The president asked his chief of staff had good news. He's a thug he's committed numerous crimes, larceny grand theft, auto pandering possibly distribution of controlled substances probably worse worse the president wanted to know was in agitator a revolutionary was this potential Black Panther mess one Nixon had to deal with. Nothing like that the president was reassured he was caught up in the gangs of south central, Los Angeles. One of those gangbangers not exactly he's what they called an affiliate. The president was losing patience and affiliated was explained wasn't quite a member but it wasn't just some geek off the street either he was you talion mafioso put it connected not a main man ice t from his days in highschool lived among and hung around with the notorious crips street gang as he grew older, he didn't rep collar kill onsite rival gang members, the bloods who might mistakenly show up and CRIP territory but he did socialize and live with the protection of the CRIPS. It was a subtle distinction but an important one because in the context he was being discussed, it meant he was unlikely to be an actual killer as the lyrics to cop killer from his hardcore band body count suggested. But? He's a criminal president asked again. Yes. They have them arrested. Let's move on. By this point the president had lost most of his patients, what little you had left was about to be completely drained. What is chief of staff told him NEX? We can't. The president just stared his anger was brimming after be. Why not I thought you said, we had him on larceny maybe worse. Well. Not Exactly. We're aware of the crimes committed, but we don't have any real evidence. Now. Exactly. Are you aware? Because he's admitted to the crimes on his records. The president was now utterly confused just to how is this guy? His chief of Staff Lean back in his chair and started to tell the. President of the United? States story. A story. About an original gangster. Six, in the morning police at my door fresh adidas, creek crossed the bathroom floor out my back window. Make my escape didn't even get a chance to grab my old school tape. got a not in my pocket went at least a grand gold on neck my pistons close at hand I'm a self made monster. The city streets remotely controlled by hard hip hop beats. Those lyrics ice tea from six in the morning a b side to one of his earliest singles could be heard everywhere in south central. Los Angeles during the summer of nineteen eighty six. They were familiar to locals and completely alien to the white kids who made their way on weekends. The club called the radio to hear the DJ spin it. To locals the melody, the cadence and the subject matter. Utterly real words depicting life on the streets as lived by gangsters and Hustler's. Prime. Type, of rhyme, crip gang members and affiliates would make up to pass the time. The only difference was six in the morning was accompanied by music and wasn't just being spit out acapella on the street corner at a party. So we pulled out the Roscoe Rosco set crack I looked again and he was shooting back. Young Tracy Marrow fucked with CRIP. rhymes like these just like other kids his age tobacco crenshaw high. Secret weapon though was his inspiration iceberg slim the former pimp who had turned author selling barely fictionalized accounts of his life and the pimping game to largely black audience iceberg slim was real. He didn't meant ship. He told like it was slim spoke to what life was like out there with no snitching absolute rawness in street knowledge. Tracy Marrow took the same approach choosing not to boast about the make believe but to instead rap about what was real. We fell to the ground aiming for his head. One more shot he was dead walked over to them took his gun spitting his face and began to run. His friends loved it. Tracy was notoriously anti drugs and alcohol from an early age. So a parties when everyone else was getting wasted, Tracy would entertain himself and others with his iceberg slim inspired crip rhymes his friends couldn't get enough. Some more that ice tea ice for iceberg slim t for Tracy an ice tea was born. and. So two was quote Unquote Gangsta rap a term that wouldn't come to prominence for a couple of years but make no doubt about it. Ice Tea had originated the form when he launched his recording career inspired by the flow of Philly Rapper School de who hinted at his crews crimes, NPS K I t to step further and explicitly documented the antics crimes, he and his affiliates getting up to his teenagers and young adults bank feeling rhyming stealing. As familiar as these rhymes were to locals, they were completely alien to the white kids who populated the radio every Friday night. These, this can't be overstated were completely new at the time. There was a level of realness of hardness, a hard reality that had never been heard music for. Tracy Merrill AKA AK T cell. Central. Resident CRIPS street gang affiliate had invented Gangsta rap just by being himself rapping about what he knew who he knew in what he saw around. The reality he took from the environment he lived. Environment consumed by the crack epidemic of the nineteen eighties overrun by violent gangsters who would just assume cut you down with AK47 Busey submachine gun for walking down the wrong street where the wrong colored seekers as they would smile at you menacingly from the back seat of their chop low riders streets that were controlled by vicious racist abuse of Cops Batter rammed first and ask questions later in the mid to late eighties south central Los Angeles where iced he had grown up in lipped was nothing short of a war zone. An ice tea was prepared for war. He'd done his time in the US army. After getting his girlfriend pregnant with new daughter in zero career opportunities that didn't involve robin dealing or banging ice tea joined up and the army changed him. First and foremost. It taught him how to strategize and believe men second humiliated are particularly cruel. Superior Officer had it out for him and told him in no uncertain terms that the only reason he was in the army was because he was too much of a failure to make it on the outside to provide for his family. Was a little bit who ran into the arms of uncle because he was too weak a sister to cut it out on the outside. This more than anything in his life to this point motivated him to succeed to win on his terms to do it his way. So when he got out, he turned to the one thing he felt naturally suited for. Crime. Robbing Jewels, furs, high end wears, but mainly jewels jobs, you could put crews together to pull the didn't involve guns slashing grab stuff. No murder ice could lead his crew calculate the rhys make his scores without leaving a trail of bodies fences goods support his daughter stacked that cash by the Porsche Peacock those iceberg slim threads flies motherfucker fucked up boy Kinkel ice tea rock neiman Marcus spendy in any other high end designer garbage can get his hands on from his smashing grabs. He was being true self. He was beyond street. He was upwardly mobile his cries made him so. Ice t's boys vic and Sean Sean had a spot in Inglewood, a stash house minks, other furs, shoe boxes, his hat boxes, racks of expensive suits and dresses, bags of jewels, and literally pounds of marijuana tightly packaged in duct tape plastic lining the walls of the back rooms from Florida ceiling. The dope was vic and Shawny. Shawn's ICED didn't truck with drugs. His game was contraband to wit in the driveway under the carport covered in canvas tar in stuffed with expensive furs a stolen ghost rider. They'd fence the threads and ditch the whip after the next job getaway easy come easy go. was leaning over the dining room table his arms outstretched palm down on the upper corners of a large map of greater. Los. Angeles and they were going far out this time north northeast almost to San Bernardino County they had too many spots near and I could feel the heat coming after this job, they need to expand further north or perhaps for the east, maybe as far as to put in work. The getaway was possibly more important than the robbery itself is learned in the army that once the job was done there needed to be clear exit strategy no man left behind. On the street, the Exit Strategy Alba guaranteed success. This was e- element that ice new most fly-by-night Street criminals never thought of all they cared about was the smash and grab but once they'd stolen what they've come steal. They were rendered vulnerable without a real escape plan arrested in left pondering their laziness over a slow twenty five years in the Pan. I tea was not lazy. He laid out the getaway plan I. Then working in reverse chronological order explain the job robbing all the diamonds, gold knots and rolexes. They could from the suburban balls high end jewelry store delegating to his crew in the process he laid it out for their the clerk in these places was almost always a woman and there was usually never anyone else in the store not working not in the back and it of. Course not enter the store. There were already customers milling Abou. This was before CCTV armed security guards in high and merchandising shops. Usually the only security they had the deal with was mall security and part of their plan was to hit their mark when they knew the Mall Guard was in a totally separate part of the mall. Even if an alarm trip, they would still have at least four minutes to grab as much merge as they could before. would be anywhere remotely close. They entered as planned with the security guard fucked off in search of a food court donut or something Isis accomplice. Tanya. Got Into a quick conversation with the woman behind the counter. But one of the jewelry pieces that cat pleaded cool pretending to be Tanya semi interested husband not the cat's brother be Bob ice other accomplice was the second set of eyes. Ice Was the first two sets of eyes were needed to kick off the plan and there needed to be firm confirmation that there were indeed no cameras no other store staff no customers a no donut eaters milling about outside. Is it was also the Bashar. The code was an affirmative answer from bebop that it was quote unquote a wall is some bebop browse the jewelry and it's cases and Tanya kept the shopworker behind the counter occupied ice would ask bebop in code if the coast maclear clear he would ask is a bad and if it was safe, bebop would reply with. Okay. It's a bad. With that ice Stephen whipped tiny sledgehammer from his pocket and smashed the Glass Jewelry Kiss Open. The two will begin as much hardware as they could usually the female shopkeeper you without a gun trained on wis scared into paralysis but does she split for the back room or got cute inactivated alarm or if the broken glass triggered him learn it didn't matter. They had time for minutes tops I would meticulously grab as many jewels watches as he could on that the cat. Kept, Taiwan is watch shouting out the amount of time left as the seconds ticked away usually with at least a minute to spare ice and his crew were out of there on foot through the back of the store into the catacombs of the mall out of the garage into the jacket ghost rider with stolen plates and off before security even made it to the scene of the crime. The cops weren't even part of the equation such was the beauty of the mall robbery. It worked because ice tea put in the work planning strategy who was and when he wasn't robbing US planning rhymes and his head and stepping up to the MIC to MC at the radio. This post work ritual was a little different than a smash and grab post work ritual. There was no stash house and no stolen getaway car ice was in his Porsche night fourteen tiny carpet tight and fast ice. Love that car here and just as here and the sleep he was looking forward to that night that morning rather it was late, the Gig that night was incredible. The radio was packed Madonna showed up. Yes that Madonna she loved Isis set as did the crowd. Starting to really feel this rap game but man running robberies and rhymes had him bone tired especially on that night and? He pulled up the light at West Boulevard and SR Lawson. Gladys is rest for a second his foot slipped off the break and before he even realized. When I see a woke, he didn't know where he was or who he was these what else his wallet was recovered from the crash. The car was broadsided by a truck flip roll did steering wheel broke off the driver's side of the car was totally demolished in the small Porsche was folded completely in half a two door roadster turned accordion rag. With the ambulance came the trailing La newspaper reporter, he took one look at the rack in his experience. told him. He needed check with cops on the scene in new the fate of the drivers sitting lifeless burgling from his mouth crammed into the passenger side door from impact, and so he reported the wreck as he saw with his own to is. As a fatality. We'll be right back after this word word were. Has So. One of the things about recording your voice for high caste is that you have to stay hydrated, which means at least eight glasses of water a day. Going to be honest with you I started with remembering do drink water throughout the afternoon reporting that i. sit down behind the MIC end up sounding a little too much like Tom Waits and not enough like the honey voice mood operating disgrace land podcast hosts you've come to appreciate. One of the things that helps me remember hydrate is mio meal fixes the bland boring taste of water with the flavor your taste buds deserve. 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Hopefully, you know like driving through the mountains or something and you get to really dive into a particular album just really experience it beginning to end while taking in the scenery also a great time for the children to learn about metal machine music. So when miles gray and I drove the Mazda C X thirty from Palm Desert to San Diego. I really enjoyed the scenery along the way I feel like the car itself helped a lot with that like the interior of the car is crafted with what they call an essential EST approach. So while it's got a lot of features like in-car, WIFI vehicle status, navigation displays, etc. It really doesn't feel crammed with distracting lights in visual decoy and. Speaking of features. Six thirty also has a really good factory soundsystem. They loaded the car up with some high definition sample tracks for us to try like we listen to Daft punk and that sounded great. Hey, for everybody else if you want more information on Mazda and the first ever Mazda C X Thirty, you can find it online at Mazda USA, dot com slash Iheart, or better yet. See It in person at a Mazda dealership near you. saw. The only way to describe the voices is to say they sounded like ghosts distant but with unmistakable presence cutting through the fog accompanying the sounds of the gurney being wheeled over the linoleum floors, the sound of the PA system summoning this doctor that nurse to pick up this or that phone to report to this rumor that one and of course, the sound of the bleeping vital signs monitor slowly but steadily chirping in the background accenting the sound of icees heartbeat. But the voices were ghostly paid damned angry about it. Ice Tea drifted in and out a semi consciousness in his La County hospital bed the more awake you became more scary things. He didn't know where it was what was happening all he knew were the sounds flooding his consciousness together they orchestrated a mini harsh showed his hat. All the aforementioned hospital sounds mixed with random conversation from the spirits conducting this week nightmare talk of next of kin close to me bags dnr the unmistakable chill golfing his chest cold hard fear. Ice Tea work to shut it although because his injuries were so bad his limbs wouldn't heal correctly if they put casts on his body. So he lay in traction for ten weeks in through the haze of two and a half months of pain meds he dwelled upon the last big job you've pulled and why two of his home is renowned doing time for something he did. Truck hijackings were dangerous unlike the DASA woman behind the counters a jewelry stores due to drew trucks fancied themselves part-time cowboys with their skull bandits and Clint Eastwood Correspondence Courses. You never knew what level of redneck or working class hero. You're potentially running up against plus when you ran up on a truck driver, they had options depending on how you executed. You're jacking they could run you down back over you draw down you with their piece which a good percentage of carried or they could just keep driving later for you. What were you gonNa do give chase in your stolen car and blast aw shots at the truck from your driver's side window right there on the streets of Inglewood. The risk was worth the reward. The sheer amount of merchandise on those trucks is worth far more than anything they could boost in the store and trucks were moving so much swag from lax through Inglewood into La that on a yearly basis, it was estimated that upwards of half a billion dollars was being jacked by st bandits like and his boys with the Stash House Shani's Sean and Vic. The truck approached the Stop Sign I sin someone from his crew curbed waiting opposite the truck on the other side of the intersection knowing its route and timing out by the airport in the dead of night. As soon as the truck break, they've Florida straight across the intersection head on toward the truck slamming on their brakes nose to nose with chuck they sprung from their car guns drawn on the driver the entire time while jumping up. To, meet in his cab opening both the driver's and passenger side doors pulling the driver out of the cabin dragging back to the trailer to have him open the rear doors and gain entry to the merge at the back of the truck their accomplice nap cat was waiting in the second stolen car. They clean the trucco filling every square inch of Nats car before tearing off into the night back to vic and Chani Sean Stash House. The job was clean guns but no shots just like ice tea like. leaving, bodies was nothing but trouble real heat in real time an ice couldn't afford that kind of charge. Was a good thing he was disciplined because shortly after the truck job someone tipped off the lapd rated vic and Shiny Sean Stash House iced tea wasn't there at the time but all the contraband was and so was the stolen car and Shawn's pounds of weed. LAPD wanted to know who Sean did the hijacking with no one he told them. Bullshit they knew he couldn't have done the work by himself. The reminded him of the stiff sentence. He'd received twenty five years for the truck job and the car was grand theft auto not to mention the we'd distribution. fucking. Shani's Sean told them. Yeah. Man Whatever shits in my house give me whatever you got. Sean Sean took the weight himself victims the way to I would never forget it. They would never forget how lucky was to not only survive the bus and a potential long prison sentence, but also survived the car crash. His body was ravaged broken pelvis broken ribs broken FEMUR. The rest of his body smashed bashed cashed the recuperation was long and arduous and gave him time to think he was too smart to ignore the fact that his luck would eventually run out. So he gave up the hustle. Crime pays but at what cost? So no more crime from now on the rhymes have to pay. His years slinging crip rhymes in the underground scene already had him well connected hot off the success of the sixth in the mornings and goal is signed his first major label deal with sire records a warner brothers subsidiary his debut album from Nineteen eighty-seven grime pays when gold his second album power when platinum. At the time I t was the only Gangsta Rapper in the game and it made his rhymes fresh while other rappers for still hiding their street route to appeal to the mainstream ice tea continued to take cues from iceberg slim wrapped only the real. and. It worked by the early nineteen nineties ICED tea was recording the theme Song Dennis Hopper's film collars about gangs in La and he was touring lollapalooza doing a half hip hop set, and then bringing out body count for the second half exposing himself to a whole new audience. On listening to exactly what you wouldn't think t would be listening to you. Now he told MTV News at a teaser before his set and rattled off west coast hardcore bands like black flag and suicidal tendencies. In other interviews, he would name checks slayer black Sabbath. The new band also features Sean Sean Vic now known as beat Master v both fresh from two years taking the rap for ice. But. The real shit of all was cop killer which closed the four song body count set every afternoon and whips suburban teens into anarchy frenzy that nobody else I all Palooza bill could match rollins band no nine inch nails not even close butthole surfers maybe they went onto early living color. Can they came close the controversy over the song exploded into the mainstream the next year when cop killer was featured as the final song on body count self titled. Debut, caught the attention of the highest office in the land. The president of the United. States who unleashed the national security state on ice tea to dig up dirt on him and send him to jail. The surveillance had its effect ice was on edge. He always had the feeling of seeing an ice cream truck parked outside his house in the dead of winter of something being off G. Men had even questioned his daughter at her school to find out of her dad I st was in any extremist groups on top of all the heat from the government. The firestorm over cop killer was impacting Warner Brothers bottom line in the future of his record deal was in doubt his next record was in the camp, but it's release had already been delayed. All of the pressure, all the attention had ice tea wound up his history on the streets had informed as music in launched him into the stratosphere. But now it dogged him no matter how successful his artistry the street was calling out his name welcoming him home and with the slightest push ice tea was ready to snap. Team was pissed at the edge of the stage looking out at the massive Italian crowd that had assembled the body cow. They were showing their appreciation the band with the long standing European punk rock tradition of spitting on them I t was not having. This wasn't the late Seventies. This was the nineties Shit had changed man who knew what kinds of diseases Italian kids were sending body counts way? Is clocked the main culprit front row black t-shirt long greasy black hair. He looked more like an aimless Italian street kid than actual fan I told the crowd that chill spitting they. mainly. This kid didn't is positioned himself right at the front of the stage right in front of the kid main offender ice gave the crowd the kid basically one more chance to stop spitting telling them the vessel was cool and they can do whatever the fuck they wanted but the spitting at stop most did but again, the kit did not. As the frontman ice tea told the crowd put their hands in the air and when they did the kid included ice tea hauled off and cocktail with his fist rate in the grill immediately is t screamed cop killer right into the Mike and the band kicked into the song behind? The crowd erupted the kid who is punched his friends swarmed ice tea to begin hurling off punches of their own ice grabbed his mic stand a straight stand. This is boom. This was a weapon with its dome shaped metal base. I swung it without mercy flailing around and clearing away back onto the stage away from what was now turning from an audience into a mob. While the band rage behind the crowd started chanting in English, we're going to kill you. We're going to kill you the chance to louder hooligans soccer stadium left the band instinctively dropped their instruments and sprinted off the stage. The chance only increased from backstage Assad like the roar the gladiators coliseum. I T's instincts quickly kicked in an exit strategy was imminently needed. It was all the matter if they didn't break out soon, they be consumed by the mob and torn limb limb for turning on their fans. Their tour bus wasn't an option outside the coliseum. The mob already had it surrounded. Ice Tea had the promoter quickly summons six cavs. He then made it to the exit door through the cavernous venues catacombs. He picked up the door and the mob was waiting. They'd struck up a massive bonfire in the parking lot schick up beyond thunderdome real fast. I could see the cabs entering through the gate approaching you pulled his hoodie up over his head lowered his gaze in fast walked out the door ahead of his bandmates and crew toward the cavs and for a minute they went unnoticed. Then as he was walking, he could see members of the mob noticing his entourage they slowly started closing in approaching him and his band and crew putting themselves between them and the cavs is lowered his shoulders into. His Best Emmett Smith sprinting straight into the crowd pummeling members of the mob unexpectedly with the force of his rushing body. He his Taras Ernie see the promoter made it through to one of the cavs dove into the back seat. The driver was shell shocked paralyzed by fear the mob surrounded the cab and began pounding on the windows, rocking it back and forth iced. Tea Cup. The driver in the back of the head to snap amount of Dr Motherfucker. The driver did no such thing. He popped open his door rammed his shoulder into pushed. His way out of the car to escape is hopped over the seed and is a front, took the wheel and began pushing the car into view the crowd bodies banging onto the cab bouncing off of its body finally, they made it through and out of the area the venue into the streets Milan back toward their hotel. Escaped there now on the hook for not only assault, but also the grand theft auto. smartly. Ice had the promoter drive the cab straight back to the venue to return it to its driver. ICT cooled as jets at his hotel. Before we knew it morning at common, he was being ushered to the train station on route to a radio station in Rome for a previously scheduled interview with the country's number one rock DJ, the news of the Malay last night's body cow concert and Milan was everywhere that morning especially on the Airways, the Italians were pissed while walking into the studio to do the interview ice t felt like he was walking in front of a firing squad. Laura. Know Chevy Kano Icy can't group Walker Chordbuddy, Camp. From. The. County. As. Less than me, Garoppolo, he means it. Would be what when you? took the. Key level would be a multiple. Edgy Staff. At sample. ICS Levin Sumida do ask upon it. East cousy. Germany Signoret Ladies and gentlemen. Content that they buddy count I. Despite the anger and the digits voice ice t took to him straight on. Looked him in the I shook his hand sat down at the Mike and immediately on air began recounting his side of the story that he had given the audience a chance to stop spitting that it was one due to wooden stop he and his band couldn't stand there and take it to the doodoo listen in. What did they expect them to do stand there and continue to get spit on. The DJ, got it. Immediately directed his ire, his countrymen. What did you expect to do? This is why we love him. He's against their. Respect yeah he will punch you and your stupid face. The DJ's interpretation of what God downturn public sentiment almost immediately and body count were permitted to continue their tour of Italy. Is. Tea has stayed true to himself to who he was to his origins as a gangster it served him well, in the past it kept him alive at crenshaw with crips got them through the army allowed to maneuver his way through early adulthood as a hustler knew exactly when to give up the game before the game gave him a twenty five year sentence and those gangster origins gave him the inspiration necessary to launch not only. Career but an entire new genre that he invented gangster out. When the time came for ice tea the deal with the Mass cop-killer have made for again, he relied on his gangster instincts the controversy over a song depicting the murder of police officers by fictional character something that had been done over and over again, television and film for years by the way was deemed. So offensive coming from the mouth of a black musician that the president of the United States of America have weighed in multiple federal agencies were investigating him and Warner Brothers records the label that released body counts. Music cop killer included was under so much scrutiny that their company stock was literally dropping. Ice Tea knew what to do when the heat got too hot for the og the og didn't stick around get burned and og didn't have a clear exit strategy and wound up getting pocked then the og made like Shani's Sean when he caught the charge and stash house what the Oj didn't do was bring down as partners with him. So when it came to cop killer, that's what I see did he took the way himself he wasn't going to. Dig In on some censor artists crusade in sync the whole ship in the process destroying his future earning potential because without rhymes ice, t's only real skill to that point anyway was crying and he wasn't going back to that. So we did the smart thing. He bore the brunt of cop killer and lettuce partners at Warner brothers off the hook by agreeing to take the song off body counts album in issuing it as a free single to his fans instead. Some in the media charged with being a sellout to giving in the censorship but real oh Jeez new score public enemy's Chuck D came to ice. T's defense and said, if you ain't in the battles, you shouldn't comment on the war. I T knew about war a certain type of war. Anyway he was a soldier and then criminal the original gangster who stayed og to the end using those gangster instincts navigate through what could otherwise have bad certain disgrace. I'm Jay Brennan. This is disgraceful. This episode disgrace its musical score in theme song were written by me Jay Brennan Writing Assistance. By. His grace, Santa's mixed and engineered by Sean? CALEBS. Assists with musical scoring additional music and score elements. 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The Insecure Man Has Broken Beliefs

Uncensored Advice For Men

27:18 min | 1 year ago

The Insecure Man Has Broken Beliefs

"David Buddy welcome to uncensored advice for men mining's Josh on today's show we're going to have a conversation with my pastor. Who's also my friend. Mr Jaden Jada. Welcome to the show. Hey how you doing Freaking awesome man all right so You have this topic that unite been talking about and you've actually helped me Open my eyes and a few areas of my life Talking about the in secure man so What say you sir The insecure man an issue. I'm so glad I don't personally have to deal with anything like that at all. No I'm kidding. Of course we all have insecurities we. That's the one thing it's funny living in this world. I do think it's funny because I think a lot of guys try to pretend like they don't know we all have insecurities. We'll have things in our lives that we need someone or something to kind of help ashore it up. You know whether that being your marriage but that'd be with your kids if you're single out there in the job world whatever it is you. WanNa walk into a building to walk into every area of your life and feel secure. Don't you agree aren't you? Aren't you the most secure person I know? Gosh No. I'm good at faking it. I if people knew like I stay awake at night and I'm just going through all my things and I'm like I have to constantly remember Probably what we'll talk about today but I'm so insecure I I'm one of the worst man I we all do. I mean we're living in a world that tears you apart. We're living in a place that as a guy even just thinking about it. I mean how many different things our guys supposed to be nowadays. You know you're supposed to be everything from tough too sensitive you know. And and everything in between and Supposed to have all the answers to be able to fix it all and basically We are supposed to be the superheroes that our families need. People want And yet on the inside right. There are many days that we're looking for someone to save us for saying. Hey who's GonNa come save May I think it was interesting. I think I think we were designed to feel something That only God can fulfil. I think we were designed well to fit in a certain way and and I think that relationship that I think most people don't realize Because we're all kind of coming into this realization together that really. What if what if what we've heard from the church and what if what we've heard about. God over the past five hundred years or a thousand years our far back you want to go. What if all of that has actually helped play into the In-su that men feel like what if what if the way we've understood got like the way that we see him the way that we interpret the things? He said the way that we read scripture the way that we keep hearing that we in there what if we are the problem have we are worst enemies and we have created an insecure space to live in. That God is not a part of have you ever. Have you ever had feelings like that? From being a part of the church and things like that that sometimes that doesn't quite feel like it lines up with what you'd think God would be like. Yeah I mean in youth group. Growing up I swore that I would never have sex. I would never look at porn. I would never drink pretty much. I would never go to. College is what they were asking me not to do but And then when you did any of the above or the Ten Commandments or the thirty thousand rules that they put on you you know they they make you feel shameful or you know maybe not intentionally but I grew up constantly going back to God going. Hey forgive me again for that? You know? Fill in the blank now sure. And it's still predominantly taught in the church. You know is that repentance. Is the idea that you should feel. Sorry that you should feel bad and then you should do some kind of one eighty from what you currently were doing and change. And Hey if we're basing things off the Latin for basing things off the English understanding of what that word meant you can read the Bible and as perfect example you can read. The ball only believed when you're talking about repentance. The idea is for you to feel insecure. The ideas for you to actually feel like I messed up like that was the point of it like what if repentance had nothing to do with that like what if it had everything to do with you changing your mind about who you really are like. What if the idea wasn't feeling bad about being child but instead realizing you are a child and letting God grow you up so you know one of the things that's interesting. I'm a parent. I have three kids and I can tell you this. Quarantine for example has pressed All the buttons we. We've we've we've really seen what we're made of during this and I can tell you I have a lot to grow as a dad and the husband and a lot of things but in this area. What's fun is that I've had a lot of opportunities to sit down and talk with my kids and have relationship and have this kind of one on one time that maybe during the normal time we don't have and what I've discovered is that as a parent. I think I want my kids to be adults like I mean. I'm sure we all feel that way to some degree but I forget kids sometime. You got kids. Do you ever expect your kids to be like. You're supposed to be perfect. I've told you this already three times so there shouldn't be a fourth time right. Yeah I almost beat them this morning. Man I my patients is like so like thin right now man. It's because they're always around even when I'm on this call probably staring at me. You know on caller doesn't a staff meeting call early and everyone in the in the zoom meetings all laughing behind me and I'm like what is going on and on my kids behind me. Poking through the window you know making sure to draw attention to himself And so the the point is that during all of this. You know what's been interesting is that I've had severe moments of frustration and yet the pet severe moments of like. Oh Wow God you just showed me something and one of the things you showed me was is Jason. It's so weird. You're expecting your son to be an adult like like what is wrong with you man and like adding you know that as a dad and again it's not that we should beat ourselves up too much. It's really just a thing of. Oh Yeah Right. You're a child. Like child is learning. That's the whole point of them being in this stage. You're supposed to make mistakes. You're supposed to create an environment as a dad right. We're hey go make all the mistakes and I'll help fix it all and yet as dad's we know that we fail that regularly. Do you ever have to give Yourself Grace Josh? Do you ever have to forgive yourself? Yeah right before this call I was. I was getting pretty frustrated with With my dad. So it's like I'm getting frustrated. My kids I'm getting frustrated my dad. He's getting frustrated. I'm sure we're all just like it. Just heap of ness of everybody being insecure and frustrated with each other. And I think and I think you just touched on. I think that's the key and what I'm trying to get at is. It's funny because really in this moment getting mad at my kid right or really in this moment where I'm getting mad at like how my world has been changed and shifted and I'm having to do thing it's really just insecurity. It's really just me saying in this moment. I don't feel secure that what I'm doing is doing a good enough job to teach my son what he needs like really when I really get down to if I'm being honest when I'm getting frustrated it's sort of me to write. It's sort of. I don't feel like I've done the right like I must not have conveyed this to you. Son You're not seemingly getting and so if I were to use that as an opportunity to kind of jump into this It was interesting to me is that God is so much different than we are. As as men as fathers as husbands is all those things and yet we see those comparisons with him in fact scripture often even makes us comparisons for us and in the calls while the bride of Christ which can be a little confusing For for US guys I guest but But but you can be basically all these different things we see in our world here and yet Not Be a perfect comparison. So for example God calls us his children. What does that mean the Josh like? When you think about being a child of God like what does that mean to you I mean. My My littlest child poops R. Pants so that we do 'cause a lot of mess right. Yeah the funny thing is is that so okay so as a dad you know and we're thinking about our heavenly father and we're thinking about God what you think about him right what you believe about God. What you what you believe. His tone of voice sounds like what you believe when he's looking at you what he sees all of that we can sometimes well. I think probably more often than not we can take what our dad was like in substitute God out for him in suddenly. Now we're in this situation. Where if you had real secure relationship with your dad which I would even say even if it was the best of the best you're GonNa have some insecurity then. Suddenly you might carry that into how you talk to God. So when you're sitting there talking to God and you just sat there blown up at your kid you know you're thinking Lord I know it's time for my butt kicking you know I'm GonNa come to you now and you're probably disappointed in me as a dad and you're probably like my goodness. I'm glad I'm not like that. And you could hear that even though that's not at all how God feels so. I think that as a as a real encouragement US guys like if you if you want to be the most secure person you've ever been it will only be found by receiving God's grace And let me say that with some authority at one point. In time I was not a Christian and I in fact was a very insecure person and I believe that I found security in in this statement. I don't care. I thought that if I reached a point where I just didn't care if anyone thought I didn't care what anyone said about me that I truly would find freedom and I can tell you I did find freedom. I mean there really is a freedom in saying man. I don't care what anyone says. Can I tell you that it took probably in the ten years or so before it finally realized that I traded one insecurity for another I traded the insecurity of trying to be someone else or the insecurity of saying I don't care to be like anyone else Those are both insecure Insecure thoughts and so the cool thing about what God does when you when you when you go back. And you look at what he reveals about what he's like as a dad. Well he gives us this picture of what he's like because he knows that we can't even fathom God as a father. I mean Josh to you. I mean as you think about trying to describe God to somebody would if without Jesus help would you ever have thought to explain him as a dad. Why wouldn't you want to maybe explain as a dad? Well I think a like when you're in in Sunday school church growing up. You know we pull up the greenbelt boards and you know. Here's here's the beautiful animals and and then here comes. You know here comes the rain. And you know God wipes out the face of the earth and everybody dies and up reset and then you know the Old Testament we learn that and then here comes this. Jesus who loved him and who said no kids come to me and someone hit him and instead of calling fires lightning out of his eyeballs. You know he just turns his cheek and that'd be pretty sweet though. I mean I gotta say look. I don't want people down and stuff like we had lightning coming out of his eyeballs. But I think it's the Bible described in many ways right. I mean he's so big he can hold a star in his hand. I mean John when he sees him passes out because he can't even believe what he's seeing. So yeah you're right and I think that that's the thing is if you imagine going to your dad and maybe I mean look. I just had a situation this past weekend wear. My son was trying to explain something to me one way. I heard it in one way. I responded horribly and he was like Dad. That's not what other words you're punishing me and I didn't even do anything wrong and I'm like. Oh my gosh and so. It's easy when I go to God to feel like I need to explain myself. Like hey guide. LemMe I know I blew it but let me. Let me tell you what happened. In God's like Man Look. This is the crazy part. Is that when when you look at? Jesus like you just said this. He gives us Jesus so the Bible actually says this. Let me let me find the scripture real quick. He says in John John is trying to write about. Jesus John The Apostle John got to walk with Jesus in fact John was the apostle case. You're not familiar with the Bible. At all. Jesus had his disciples. They're like his best friends. They walk with him through everything and one of them his name was John and John. Seemed to really get the heart of Jesus like we all have our strengths. Some of us are good with numbers. I'm not good numbers like I. I was not matthew. Who was the disciple? Took care of. Like keeping track of numbers Now I have been like John John. When they're saying the table he was the one that wanted to lean his head on. Jesus that's weird right like if I'm in the middle of eating dinner and some dudes laying on me and be like hey man. I'm eating my dinner here but I love that like that shows like does that shows how close they were. I mean John Loved Him so when John's writing this this this letter he's trying as gospel good news. He's trying to explain what Jesus is like. And he's like look there could be these two dudes sitting on zoom. Call Two thousand years from now having a podcast. I WanNa tell you what Jesus is like. And so he explains and he says this he goes look Jesus is is. We actually discovered that when we saw him. We were looking at the father and so in so Jesus is the one who really pushes this point home. He goes look the reason why humanities insecure the reason why you guys are. You're trying everything from religious ideas to law to rules to regulations too. I mean look and we still diplomat. Land today right. We live in a country that literally prides itself on we our rule of law type of country like we and you have to have that in a society that will not love each other. Well you're going to have to have laws but at this time. Jesus is showing that the relationship that you in God has is not based upon rules regulations and laws. It's based upon love in love alone so John. Here's this apostle of love if you will talking about Jesus and he describes him this way and he says after Jesus has done always incredible things Jesus actually says himself he says look they find it real quick he says. I'M THE BREAD OF LIFE. And he says he's talks about his dad as a father and then he says this he goes before me. He says I have come to reveal the father in other words. What he's saying. Is that if you understand the Christian faith all there? We believe at least that that the the God has made up by three parts. He's God the father the son and the spirit all kind of into one and so the cool part is is that God trying to reveal what he's like he says. I'm GONNA show you the number one of my dad and if you WanNa know what kind of data online you WanNa know what I love. I'm like he goes. Here's Jesus and he shows us. Jesus Josh what is the the the biggest thing about Jesus that you just love like what is like when you look at Jesus as Jonah saying you're seeing God like what's the thing about him you go instantly that's the first takeaway? He he ignores what the world says he should be and he just says No. This is what I am Like if you look at what the Pharisees were walking around now if I get this wrong kicked out of the Church. Yes okay cool. You have to give twice as much next week. But that's fine most so he you know. Jesus walking around and and they're saying you can't heal that guy on Sabbath you know or you can't forget this guy since how come you don't do and they're like why aren't you following the freaking rules. You need to be better. We'll follow and he and he's just like and he just a Lotta Times. He ignores them or he calls them. I I think in that time. It might have been a customer. He calls them broods vipers. Right it ain't good bunch of snakes. Yeah if you're not exactly what you WANNA be called. Yeah you know what I think you bring up a really interesting point. I think that one of the things that we often miss Okay when you hear this word `grace no I'm a passerby church called Grace Church. It's a very generic name in the world and yet it means something so profound that most. Christians Miss It. That's the irony of the whole thing. So Grace Church grace. It comes from this. Greek word It's Qarase our cars. An and it means God's favorable inclination towards you okay. It's kind of a words hard to understand English in some ways because we don't speak this way but essentially if I could paint a picture that we've already been using this entire time. It is a father leaned into his son like focus fully. Not on his phone. He's got ideas for the day. He's fully engaged in blessing. His child like like bats grace. And if you can imagine this if if God is love is Joe on would say Johnson God is love itself like this is the purest form of love. Unconditional love not like human love. This love is totally different. So if you think of God's love and only makes sense that when that when he wanted to manifest something for us to see like if I'm going to show them what I am like. Well the problem is if you if you just try to create love if you just try to create many different things. I believe we have extrapolated other truths from what Jesus came to show us. Jesus didn't come to show a bunch of truth right. He went to a cross and then he rose again he. He was here for something much bigger than just making people better people and and cleaning up the mess. He came to give us an entirely new way to see and understand and live and walk and have relationship with God. That's something that you can't. That's not a rule thing. That's not a new book that you're GonNa Follow. That's a relationship that you're going to have and if you look all the way back to the very beginning why did God do any of this? It was for you and me was because he's so inclined towards you he had this thought of Fiji says efficient. Says that God thought of you before anything ever happened and the thought of you being adopted by him or receiving his love made gods so excited he went through the whole thing. You know I think when you think about grades when you think about this inclination is favorable position that God has towards you. I think that this is how this is why. It's so hard for men especially I think but women as well of course but but if we're talking about men and their insecurities and the way that we approach leadership in the way that we do things We typically lead with strength in the sense of Be It power okay. If some way like. Hey I've got an authoritative position. I've got a title or I've got whatever and I love that. What God's Joe's as shrinks is Jesus on a cross he says you want to see what actual strength looks like. It is a man naked hanging from a tree Who is God by the way and could come off this at any time but he demonstrates were true. Manliness looks like emonstrators which true love looks like which true security looks like. I mean you're like digging into it all right. So what true what true? Yes so so so. This looks learning is here he is. I mean like think about you or me hanging on naked on across and by the way your God at anytime you can just step right on offing. Call angels down. You can do all of this in yet. Scripture says he we lamb being led to the slaughter. That's true security is truly knowing who you are to the point that even when the world says like the failure of a mess you are you can look at them and say you don't even know the half of it like this is not me like like my life encompasses so much more than my successes and my failures in my ups and downs because of one word called grace and so on when he when he fully Explains all of this. He ends up riding in John. Chapter one he he says it looked when we saw Jesus when we saw into the one that God said this is how. I'm going to let you know what I'm like like I'm GonNa show you my son. You know the apple did not fall far from the tree like this is me And I and I love that when he shows us this John says that what we saw was grace and truth now unfortunately in the church those two words you know. Hey we have it in English. Know we understand things in the English Wayne so when I hear the Word Truth Josh. What's the first thing you would think of normally hear that word? Truth of rule. This is the law. I want the truth. GimMe the man. Yes yeah the the it's no. There's there's only one truth well that's sort of true but not in the way that we typically think when you look into this word in Greek this word truth means reality so I mean you and I can understand that if I'm saying something is true. It can't get any more true than what is actual real. Well I have perceptions though right and as we know perceptions can become a reality is you can look in the mirror as a man and see things in a way that God doesn't you can see failure in God doesn't see that okay. So perceptions can feel very real to us and so when. Jesus came he didn't come to reveal a perception to you. He said no base your perceptions on this in this is Jesus and so when John He continues to write and I and John Chapter. One he says. Look when we saw Jesus. We saw the. He was grace or full of grace and from his fullness the Bible says which means from what he is absolutely overflowing full Love was grace. And what did he give us? Grace it's grace upon grace scripture as waited written scripture. So the cool part is here. Is that if we'd properly understand God as a father. He's not like guesses DADS and if we properly understand God as a father and he showed us Jesus so that we see what that is We see a very secure man hanging on a cross more concerned with love being demonstrated to us that we might receive hilling his his favor towards us us more secure in all of all of that then. He was insecure in all of our feelings and alvar hatred. All of our. This is not making any sense to us so we're going to attack it got says okay. Here's my love and I think that when you look at Jesus Again. I've never met a person to this day and I've done a lot of street evangelism a lot of work in other countries. I've never met a person yet who hates Jesus like. Yeah if you're if maybe their demonic do all in left field or whatever maybe they're saying things but I've never met somebody who honestly hates. Jesus I mean Josh. What is what is something. Somebody who doesn't know Jesus could even hate about. He takes away the power from us being able to do it ourselves or the church being able to do it or the government being able so he just he he breaks wrong authority. I guess or wrong for those of us that love to get our hands dirty. You know he says already got minder before you and for us to arrest. That's not You know I don't know about you. I had a situation one time where I had to either be fair or Gracious And I think that many of us well let's be honest. All of us are given that chance every single day to be fair or to be gracious now many of course when you hear that. Word Gracious will only here merciful or like. Hey you were. You gave me a grace. I didn't deserve it. That's not what that word means. Is We've been talking about so if you really see it as favor. Okay someone being favorable towards you with the ask the question. Here's a question for you. Would you rather work for a fair boss or a graceful boss? Let me let you answer that. Oh great fought take that women right and yeah I mean listen affair boss. You'd be surprised. At how many of us would prefer to work for someone fair? We would find security if you will in fairness because hey if I worked this many hours should get paid for what was fair So that's the interesting thing. About God's we. Is We kind of wrap up this talk of security The ideas this is that security is found really in love It's when we feel loved. It's when receive love and we feel utterly secured by it and the problem with earthly love that it fails us. It's very insecure. Even in the way that it's given and so I encourage you. You know if you find yourself suffering from insecurities as all of do The really the only person that can that can shore that up in a way where you will not only be able to receive it and be healed from it but also give something away in a way. That's totally different. Is God true understanding him? His love truly understanding him. The person of Jesus and grace understand that God is so favorable toward you as the Bible says we love because he first loved us and I would say to US man. We will be secure as we received that security from him and then we will be able to be secure leaders men and give that security away again. Jesus hung across. I mean he was never insecure about it and you and I if we received that security from him if we receive it from his baby towards us. If we see favor he'll find yourself going. I don't feel as insecure to fight over some of these things anymore and I'll feel insecure to defend myself because he is defending me because he represents me a supernatural way so it goes so far beyond this world so anyway I hope I hope it's encouraging to know the God loves you. He's for you as the Bible says and if he is for you than who can be against you nice good man so our security is based on our belief about God and how he views us. Yep One hundred ten percent man and the fact everything else is just just words awesome Jaden. How can people Find more about you and about the things you're working on could be shared Lincoln the show notes to the church or to your personal cell phone or email. I'm just getting absolutely I'll give you my address. Hate Mail and everything. No if you love to hear more we are church that loves sharing about how much God loves you. How much is four? You don't spend any time on bad news. We focus on good news. So if you'd like to hear more you can go to. Www DOT GRACE ORLANDO DOT COM. And that is our church website and you find just all kinds of resources there. Thanks opportunity men. It's been awesome awesome. Hey dudes sitting out there That's good message man if you want to know more about Graceland of Church and The things shavings working on men go to that website. We'll put that in the show. It's below so the next one talk to you later fellows.

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Jim Morrison Episode 0: Season 2 Official Trailer

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Jim Morrison Episode 0: Season 2 Official Trailer

"Jim. Morrison is one of the most iconic rock and roll frontman of all time. But in his mind, he was always much more than that. A poet, an anarchist, a misunderstood blues men. And, like another member of the twenty seven club Jimi hendrix Jim Morrison was haunted by the Ghost of the rolling. Stones Brian Jones. Jim, Morrison famously hung with Charles Manson brawled with Dennis. Wilson inspired the ramones and provided a blueprint for iggy pop. Or did he? Jim Ruled his lifetime fantasy. Separating fantasy from fact was never Jim Morrison's game. Blurring the lines chaos destruction violence of great music words motivations. It all led to an early death at the age of twenty seven. And ultimately one hell of a story. The twenty seven club is back. Season to Jim Morrison is hosted by me Jay Brennan Creator and host of disgrace. Slam, the first and only music true crime podcast winner of Iheartradio's two thousand Nineteen Best Music podcast award, and twice the to apple podcasts year end best of lists two thousand, nineteen in two thousand eighteen. If you like this Graceland, then be like Jim Morrison break on through us. The twenty seven club brings you even deeper into the lies the iconic. In love, each season focuses on one artists who became a member of rock 'n roll's most infamous club, the morbidly exclusive twenty seven club by sometimes mysteriously at the age of twenty seven. Season one featured twelve episodes I'm Jimi Hendrix and is available now for you to binge tire. Future season will cover the lives in too soon. Deaths Janice Joplin Kurt Cobaine Robert Johnson. The grateful dead's Ron Penn mckernan amy wine. How many for the twenty seven club is a weekly show? Episodes are roughly thirty minutes and like Graceland. This is an adult storytelling. PODCAST is not for children. twenty-seven club a serialized podcast about iconic rockstars who died at the age of twenty seven returns season two on June, Eighteenth, two, thousand twenty. It is hosted and produced by me. Jake Brennan, for Double Elvis in partnership with iheartradio subscribe on Apple, podcast iheartradio APP wherever your podcasts. Come join the club.

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