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"governor siegelman" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts
"The investigation of the trump campaign will those indictments? Will they open investigations into Loretta Lynch the Attorney General of time. We don't know and the Democrats to pose similar trouble after the election. Well Jack I. Want to hear more from you about that a bit later in the show, but right now we're talking with. Don siegelman out political prosecutions and the dangers to American democracy. We'll hear a lot more of the story when we come back. This is point. This is on point. I made a chocolate bardy. We're talking this hour with Don Siegelman. He's the former governor of Al Obama. He served five years in prison on bribery federal bribery charges. We'll talk a little bit a lot more about that in a second, and he says that political prosecutions like the ones that landed him in prison are a danger to American democracy. He's author of the new book stealing our democracy. How the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation? We have an excerpt of it at on point, Radio Dot Org Jack Beatty is also with us. He's on points news analyst now. Mr Siegelman if I may, let's let's just cut right to the chase of the case. That landed you in prison now. The first time that federal prosecutors tried to bring charges against you. If I've got the time line right here, they were so flimsy. These bribery charges that they were thrown out. The judge threw them out or at least yeah, that's right and then. And then the second time they tried again, right, they didn't give up. They tried again this time. They had a star witness by the name of Nick Bailey, who was one of your aides now, Nick. Bailey alleged that you essentially took a check from a big donor. A man named Richard scrushy. Because he in this check not for you, but a check for efforts to get a lottery created in Alabama to fund education, and in return the allegation is that you gave screw she a seat on a really important board in Alabama and that. In the eyes of of the court amounted to illegal bribery. That's what that's. What landed you in prison, right? Yes. The judge told the jury they were. It was a hung jury. That couldn't. They couldn't reach a verdict and he said. They asked him judge Hawkin. A contribution to the lottery campaign be viewed as a thing of value to governor siegelman and he said well. think about it this way if the k. a pay if the contribution was given to the lottery proposition and the proposition that passed, it would have made him look. and. Therefore you can consider it a thing of value to governor Siegelman. Well I mean it's. On, the only person in American jurisprudence is ever gone to prison on such a charge as that where there was no self-enrichment scheme and didn't benefit by single penny There's issues too with the between me. And the judge had had him investigated F- shortly after he became federal judge because of shenanigans that went on in the District Attorney's office, from which he had been appointed to the Federal Bench and it was proven in State Court that. He had illegally raise the salary of his deputy by some three hundred thousand dollars, and he was politically embarrassed by the. Publicity Dagda publicity as a new federal judge so he he went into. This trial should have recused himself he didn't. And he I think he had a chip on his shoulder and he wanted it was. He viewed this payback time. So I mean. We can't go into too many details of the case or just won't have time, but they are absolutely fascinating like nick. Bailey right. Who was the Prosecution Star witness here? Apparently he had parts of his story wrong that he told the court right because he had. He had said that you had a check in your hand right from Richard Screw that you had this check in your hand and he said Yep. You know if if he gives us the other half of the money, we can take care of his desire to be. On that health board, but the prosecutors had a copy of the check in actually didn't even have the right date on it that you could not have possibly had that check because it hadn't even been written in reality at and that Bailey himself had been extorting money from Alabama businessman and might have been working with the prosecution to get a lighter sentence. Definitely was working with the prosecution to get a lot of senators say they made him a deal. He was facing. Probably forty years to life in prison. On Multiple Felony counts and They offer him a deal which they follow through on which was to recommend no time in prison. And he, he told Scott pelley of sixty minutes Nick Bailey told them that he had been interviewed over seventy seven Oh seventy times and made to write and rewrite his proposed testimony over and over until he got his answers the way the prosecutors. Wanted Them in preparation for his testimony, he also FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH A. met with my son In two thousand Tober of two, thousand at twelve and told him that the reason the reason. He went to prison was because of his. excuse expression, but this is his leg was. Testimony. hey admitted that there was no bribe that there had been no agreement and that that I would have been impossible person to bribe so. but anyway the the the case went to trial there were not they were hung juries. The judge finally told the. The! Jury which had been sequestered this was in right in the first part of July the jury questions sits. May he told a book? Bring me a verdict or a partial verdict or I can keep you here until next you laugh want. So the they brought him a partial verdict but the the we were talking about jacket, raised an interesting parallel and I to WanNa, make sure i. come back and comment on that because he's absolutely right what? If. People don't believe. That the Justice Department was politicized onto Bush. Don't believe that Karl. Rove And his client billy. Bill Pryor and his. His, Co. heart and his business partner in Alabama, Billy Canary who not only was the husband of my. US Attorney, who prosecuted me, but he was actually being paid. Billy Canary was being paid. By one of my opponents for governor to defeat me while his wife was conjuring up charges against me. If you don't believe. That the. Justice Department was politicized to prosecute me. Look at how would call Donald J trump my first witness? He fired James. Comey fired Andrew McCabe sought fire. Sally Yates hired and fired his southern boy buddy, Jeffrey. beauregard sessions, and then hired bill bar. Who doesn't go to sleep at night?.
"governor siegelman" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show
"You had went to pay for your legal defense so when you got out of. Prison your wife had medical issues from a horrific car accident. You suffered before you went to jail and your kids. You know you talked about the effect. Being imprisoned has on families. Your kids were young. They were what eleven fourteen when this all started. And now they're adults. Your son went to law school, so he could work on your case I mean this. This has derailed your entire life. And as we mentioned before it sounds through everything all the issues with Judge Fuller, and the the his jury instructions and everything else that you had a perfect case for appeal, and you did go to the supreme. Court and you were waiting for them to take the case. They just said No. We're not going to hear it. It's the what. I yeah, we appeal three times and the the the first time we appealed it was based on. That initial finding by the three judge panel. That there were substantial questions of law and fact that would likely result in reversal and so the Supreme Court. Is that point? Sent the case back to the eleventh circuit. Saying? Take another look at this based on the. The actual definition of bribery which is. Not Not involving campaign contribution, but where there are, there's a briefcase of money where there's some self-enrichment scheme and the eleventh circuit said No. We still think that settlement is guilty, so we're GONNA lead. Let the convictions stand. We took the issue of acquitted conduct up to the Supreme Court as well. and that was that was. Denied. And then we saw a trial, we were asking for discovery because we knew that we had. Evidence that. The lead prosecutor was emailing my Republican opponents campaign manager. Giving them updates on the investigation. So, we thought if if there was A. There was one email that the united. States. Department of Justice had the probably were others, and they were probably linked called, roved prosecution, and of course. Our request for discovery was denied so anxious for. Those Call Roe v by also surface at some point because I'm sure that we would find his fingerprints all over my case, but now you're telling us that that that Donald trump the orange menace is trying to make nice with Karl. Rove so maybe can use some of his dirty tricks. In the two thousand twenty election, we know that that trump will stoop to nothing to. Do know no boundaries when it comes to trying to do whatever he needs to do to stay in office. Because I think he knows that the minute he's a civilian again. He should be arrested and sent to jail. He would if if there was justice in this country. What would hopefully they'll build chain him to Mnuchin to. Five hundred billion dollars to their friends and not. Telling us out offering any kind of public accountability. This is why they got rid of all of the Inspector General's. Yeah They didn't want any report coming out on how they were going to know. And Yeah I'm just awful, and it seems like the trump administration is following that Bush playbook I mean he even brought in someone to do away with anyone in the administration, who is not suitably pro-trump, enough This is not how America is supposed to be Don Siegelman. I'm telling you the the book. Just broke my heart, even though I knew the story. I knew what happened reading it again in this one you know. Volume was just heartbreaking because I see in you. What what? We could've been what we could have had, and there's no reason for this and the fact that the Democratic Party did nothing to come to. Your defense sours me on them even more obviously I have no. No love lost for the Republicans and I'm not even going I'm just really disappointed that we don't have a party that we can rely on to stand up for the rule of law, and for the really good people. We have who are working hard for the people of this country. Well Amen. That's all I can say to that go. You you have a phenomenal of putting things and. So, sometimes. You know the less said the better. Let you be my spokesperson I. Gotcha and I I wish I could I'd scream from the rafters and I do, and I have a you know I'm so. Appreciative to have this opportunity to speak with you about this again. I've followed your case all these years. We spoke a couple of times and I spoke with Dana while you were imprisoned as well and. I, just my heart goes out to you and your family for what you've been put through. This should happen to nobody. Nobody in this country ever and yet it does. The abuse of power that happened to me happened. In the in the in the in the halls of power in in. The Court House what happened to. Two more George Floyd and Eric Gardner and others happens on the streets of America every day, and you know, and it is we we'd. Know again the point of my book is that we we. You know George Floyd paid the ultimate price. Now it is up to us as citizens to create new policies, new politics and new laws to protect the most vulnerable. From abuses of power by police prosecutors are presidents. Without a doubt, the book stealing our democracy is officially out this Tuesday. Do yourself a favor by it. Read it share it. Everybody needs to know this story and you're right governor. Siegelman, it's not just about you, but it is about you because the the Republicans and Karl Rove saw somebody who was. A really good governor who was beloved by the people from both parties. Who had you know? Who who could have brought wonderful things to this nation, and they went after you for precisely those reasons, and this should never happen again, and what kills me is that? You know nobody came to your rescue. Nobody is coming to our rescue right now. That's why we have to do it. We all must stay out in the streets and protests for what's right and most importantly we need to vote. We need to get this criminal out of office, but all our problems will not then be solved because Joe Biden. I'm sorry is not. A return to the Obama Administration will not fix these things. The Obama Administration led us down on your behalf as well and we need. We need to do better than that. We need to do better as a nation. We need to do better as a party. We need to do better. Well let me let me be closed by saying saying this if if we're going to end systemic racism..
"governor siegelman" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show
"He, he broke down started crying because he was telling me the story about his mother. And how? You know he was a kid, and his mother had issues I didn't go into what the issues were, but You know the electricity would be turned off the water be turned off and he. He saw opportunity to sell marijuana when he was like eleven years old and. so he went down to the street corner and Eventually was able to. Get some money to turn the electricity onto the water on, and and that's how it started, and his first charge was marijuana. The second charge I think was marijuana. Third Charge was the there was a In both of those who was put on probation, the third charge was a cocaine charge and Because, he was black. I assume that he was going to be making crack out of that. And so he was sentenced to twenty five years in prison and he served. Twenty three of those he went in when he was twenty three. I think he got got out last year. Just. Two young children when he wanted to. People don't think about they don't think about. Yeah, win this in this rush to judgment in this. You know for so long. We were caught up in this. Lock them up. Throw away the key mentality of the war on war on drugs worn on crime. It was a war on. Men and women of Color. And we just we. Prosecutors took to their job with with zest and they they were instructed by the Department of Justice to seek the harshest penalty. And they did. They locked up these young men. For decades taking them them away from their children, their wives their their. Spouses and destroying their family and no telling what they did to those kids by. You know and we just got to rethink and You. Know our our criminal justice laws and Bring some sense into it and we've got a ways a long ways to go anyway I hope to play a part in that and. That's part of the reason why I wrote. This book is I. Want to. I want people to read it. Understand it, so we have the credibility to go to Congress and argue for the changes that need to be made. To set things right, absolutely governor Siegelman Don. Siegelman is with US and again the new book is finally coming out this Tuesday stealing our democracy, how the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation, and it does, and we've gone through so much of your story, but we're still not done in you. Do Answer one of the burning questions. I had all along which was never answered to my satisfaction. And you answered it in the book, though I'm not satisfied, and that is. You were in prison you. You were prosecuted persecuted by the Bush administration. And then Barack Obama gets elected finally a Democrat and African American. He brings an Eric holder as attorney general. I certainly thought okay. There's going to be justice done here finally. They're gonNA. Look at this case and say Oh my God. The governor was framed. He was set up. He was railroad he was. This was a political persecution. They're going to do something about it. and. The one of the most heartbreaking lines in the book is. I'm probably not gonNA. Find it because okay. Oh, here! It is president. Obama, left the White House on January twentieth, two, thousand seventeen. I stayed in prison until February eighth twenty seventeen. The Obama. Administration did nothing to help you and I know it was not for lack of trying I, know I signed petitions and letters in You know as someone out here, saying this man has been railroaded. He's been persecuted. What happened people. Era Colder contacted Obama but eric holder had a connection with Karl. Rove, didn't he? He well I don't know his connection to Karl Rove. I do know that that. His law firm represented Karl Rove and represented. The are C- Republican National Committee of. And and There was you know there was a connection and there there. Are you know obviously connections between Karl Rove and. Eric holder and President Obama. the, the thing that bothers me about this is that. They they had they had to know what was going on. There was no it was no secret what had happened to me one hundred and thirteen. Hundred Thirteen state attorneys general and a number of governors who, around the country, joined in tried to get the attention of the Obama Administration tried to get the attention of Eric holder. And while they were of? Busy exonerating Ted Stevens Republican senator from Alaska which should have they should have dun rite of. For prosecutorial misconduct. My case was riddled with far more, prosecutorial, more serious, prosecutorial misconduct misconduct, but Nothing was done. There was one person at the Department of Justice. David Margolis who was there when Eric holder I joined with the justice system. The criminal justice I mean the Department of Justice. After. He got out of Law School And you know, there's been speculation that he that he just depended on David Margolis. For everything Margolis was the one who approved of this bogus charge back in two thousand and four that was thrown out of court after. Lesson. You know twelve hours. The judge said it was the most unfounded criminal case. It ever presided over and then. David Margolis approved of all of the charges in two thousand and six, for which the jury found me not guilty. All of the acquitted conduct was approved by David Margolis. David Margolis fired the. The? Department of Justice. Whistleblower, tomorrow Grimes Paralegal who said she watched. A witness was coached and cajoled and threatened. Pressure to say things that he clearly didn't remember. So margolis was up to his neck in that, but he was also up to his neck in the US attorney firing scandal, he had worked with the White House the Bush Whitehouse to fire and replace those those us. Attorneys a higher remember Dick Durbin and Sheldon Whitehouse. Getting very upset with David Margolis but again. You know while they reprimanded him. Nothing nothing was. But he was up to his eyebrows in my case, and because of that, he was probably telling Eric holder. No, we don't WanNa do that. It's going to make the Department of Justice. Look bad if we if we open this. Clear the worms, wow! Did you ever hear from Obama anybody in the administration about why? They ignored your your case why there was no pardon or clemency or anything?.
"governor siegelman" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show
"Right I'm not going to get into much of it because I want to get to Governor Siegelman, but let's start with this. Looting has broken out in Washington. DC again and this time. We knew it was going to happen treasury. Secretary Steven mnuchin is now flat out refusing to disclose the businesses that received five billion dollars in bailout funds through the paycheck protection program, claiming the information is confidential, four and a half million businesses received government funds, and normally the Small Business Administration Discloses the names of Borrowers from the program on which base the P. P P but statement to Mnuchin said his department considered that information, proprietary and confidential. Wow. And this, actually this has a little bit of bearing on some of what I'll be talking to the governor about the Republican led Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday authorized its chair Senator Lindsey Graham to subpoena former Obama administration officials about the origins of the intelligence communities investigation into Russian election meddling in a party line vote the panels Republican majority approved calling former director of National Intelligence James Clapper former CIA director John Brennan and the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded. In stunning study recently, which might be also one of the reasons why Richard Burr was pushed out the the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded that Russia did try to interfere on the thousand sixteen election on trump's behalf. But, but but Lindsey. Graham wants to also look into foreign surveillance applications, and why former special counsel Robert Muller was appointed in the first place, so they're are issuing all these subpoenas of course if you remember back to the molar, investigation. All of the trump administration officials denied the subpoenas. So the Democrats of course are suggesting that they subpoena as well some current and former trump allies including former attorney general. Jeff sessions and trump's son-in-law and senior adviser. Jared Kushner. Also just heading down to Louisville Kentucky from the Metro Council there voted unanimously yesterday to ban the type of no knock search warrants that police were using when they fatally shot Brianna Taylor, of course, the unarmed black emergency medical technician in her apartment, while she lay sleeping in her bed on March thirteenth, her boyfriend fired I thinking the officers were intruders well the Mayor Greg Fischer who suspended the use of those no knock warrants. Last month said he'd signed Brianna 's law immediately, tweeting out the risk to residents and officers with this kind of search outweigh any benefit that's true, but I want to know why those three cops who shot and killed. Brianna Taylor are all still walking around. Two more quick items Donald Trump appeared last night or yesterday in Dallas Texas, and an event billed as a race roundtable that he was allegedly gonNA lead it was held at a conservative and predominantly White Church in Dallas at which trump praised the national guards use of tear gas and other forceful measures to disperse Minneapolis crowds who were protesting police brutality against African Americans. He described the effort to quell a protest as a quote beautiful seen. And described where the national guard walk through like a knife cutting butter. Now trump did not mention the name George Floyd, but he said that the work of confronting bigotry would go quickly, and it'll go very easily providing we, we avoid falsely labeling tens of millions of decent. Americans as racist or bigots. You gotta be kidding me, and by the Way Dallas Texas has a black police chief, a black sheriff and a black district attorney, and none of them were invited to participate in a round-table on race and policing held in Dallas Texas with the president of the United States. It is just unbelievable. And now we learned that the orange menace will accept his Republican nomination in Jacksonville Florida in August instead of in Charlotte North Carolina, as originally planned because Donald trump wants a big crowd. He wants a pack convention center with no masks by the way and north. Carolina's Democratic Governor, said Hell no the instances of Covid, nineteen or spiking. You're not doing this in my state, and so the Flora da man chief governor of Rhonda Racist I'm Santa's obviously cares more about appeasing trump than the health and safety of Florida's citizens, so now Republican delegates will elect their nominee from Charlotte, where most of the convention. Business will still happen, but trump will make his acceptance speech three states away and front of what he expects will be a packed arena filled with without masks. But this date also coincides with another horrible day. In history in Jacksonville. It's the sixtieth anniversary of the at of ax. Handle Saturday when a white mob organized by the clan attacked mostly black civil rights protestors who were sitting at Jacksonville's whites, only lunch counters. Can this administration be that tone deaf? And and you know this is not the first instance with the campaign trail long before that with his first stop scheduled in Tulsa Oklahoma the site of one of the worst acts of racist violence. This country has ever seen next Friday a week from today. That is June nineteenth June teen a day that commemorates the end of slavery in the United States. Again. They knew what it meant and. Say. You know they knew they knew of the Tulsa history, they knew of the date but they didn't think the backlash would be so bad. Right. By the way. If you want tickets to that Tulsa rally, you can now get them. The campaign formally offered supporters the chance to register to attend, but they're requiring that anyone wishing to go. I agree not to sue the campaign or the venue. If they contract covid in nineteen, I kid you not the online sign up page, says anyone clicking to register for free tickets acknowledges that there.
"governor siegelman" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show
"All Right? Hello and welcome to A. Friday. Oh I love it when we make it to the end of the week. I was GONNA. Say unscathed, but there's nothing unscathed about what we're all going through right now. All right well, it is Friday and today's the day. I have been looking forward to for quite some time because as you know over the last. Month or two I've spoken with former Alabama. Governor Don Siegelman on a few occasions I've also been reading his new book. The book is called stealing our democracy. How the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation and let me tell you it does indeed it does. I finally finished reading the book last night. And I it made me cry. Because what happened to a really good man should never have happened to anybody in this country it is. It is a travesty and even bigger travesty perhaps is that this story has not been screamed from the rooftops in every city around the nation now i. When this happened to Don Siegelman during that time I was doing talk radio here in south Florida then I moved to Air America where we covered this incredulously and as much as I remember most of the details most of what happened as this all went went by reading the. And reading a governor Siegelman a explanation of what happened. Just. Seeing all the behind the scenes maneuvering and what was done to this man is. Just reprehensible, it makes me so angry, and and so I, invited, the governor backed today to really go in depth into his story, because we've heard it in bits and pieces and bits and spurts, and the book lays it all out I want you to buy the book. It is officially released this coming Tuesday. It's available for preorder, and all those usual places but you must read this book and stick around. Because Governor Siegelman will join us in just a couple minutes We got a little bit of news to take care of and I want to play for you electric. Try to start each show with something, lighthearted and fun. something to give us perhaps a little laugh if that's possible in this day and age So and what I've been playing mostly over the last few months are a song parodies that that I found online mostly people dealing with the covid infection in a somewhat humorous way One is something different. It's an old friend Jill. So buell, who's been on this program many times, and is an old friend of mine from back in my music radio days in Los Angeles and she posted this video to her website last night. and and it just it works on water levels in especially works with what we're dealing with today, so we'll open the show officially with this new song from Jill, so buell and it's called owning the libs. You can guess where she's going with this one. Take it away Jill so buell. Here we go I, think no. No, it doesn't WANNA play. I'm owed no best laid plans, and all that you know what for some reason I'm not getting any audio out of there, which is really weird so I'm GonNa just. I'm going to have to play for you. The the audio version of the song because I can't tease you like that and then not play it for you so. Here, we go, Joe. You'll. Oh, no! Give me one more second oh best late. You knew I couldn't get through a show without a technical problem today right all right final final. Go here we go. You'll get it to the lives. Land. Called Kid. We're. Proudly given live. Church last Sunday. You know what did and..
"governor siegelman" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show
"Is Governor Don SIEGELMAN AGAIN. The beginning hold on. I'm trying to bring it over. There are governor Siegelman. I've got his picture up on the screen for those of you who are watching on Youtube So that was the opening sequence of a film called Abacus versus the architect the political assassination of Don Siegelman and. I'm thrilled to welcome Governor Don Siegelman to the show Governor thank you so much for being here. Oh It's my pleasure. Thank you go you know. We spoke years ago. I think before you reported to prison was that in two thousand twelve yes in two thousand twelve either net bridge nation or the Democratic National Convention or online. I'm not sure yeah now. We spoke by phone. It was definitely a phone interview. I haven't I have not met you in person and I. Yeah I haven't been to any other yes it is well. Thank you so much for being here and as I've been telling the listeners you do have a book coming out. It's called stealing our democracy. How the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation. You're kind enough to send me an advance. Copy a couple of weeks ago that I'm just beginning to read. I know it's going to be released in June and I hope you'll come back on at that time when we can spend time talking about what happened to you really get into the nitty gritty. Because you're prosecution was an American tragedy and travesty and something that everybody should everybody should know about it and unfortunately they don't but it is relevant to what is going on today with Donald Trump limit. Living just give you this one brief comment about what's in the Book and Donald Trump's pictures on the back along with Jeff sessions in Colorado. Say A is because the the abuse of the abuse of power that that targeted me to silence me to get me out of the picture is something that is going on today. If you do not believe. The Department of Justice can be manipulated for political purposes. I would call Donald. Trump is my first witness a fire. James coming up against Sally Yates J Andrew. Mccabe right are hired and fired. Jeff sessions is southern white boy buddy from Alabama and then he hired bill bar does everything he can to manipulate justice to protect Donald Trump. So there's a reason he's all right and there are correlations. I mean for anyone just looking from the outside in. I would say this Justice Department as a lot scarier than the Bush Justice Department who went after you and had you in prison for five years well a and also you know they fired a number of Republican. Us ATTORNEYS WOULD NOT DO CALL. Rose political dirty work including David Iglesias and six others in the but the Department of Justice. We've got to stop the abuse of power that as we got to change our criminal justice system and that was the purpose of this boat is to To to show the public and to build support for changing the justice system. So it can protect those who are most vulnerable. Well good speaking of the and again. We will reconvene in June when the around the books released to to really get in depth into happened because again. This is a story that everybody in America should know with the in order to make sure it never happens again. This your story is not supposed to happen in America but it did right so when I was in prison. That was in prison of with a lot of young men of color and Unfortunately the prison algorithms work against those people in terms of the release early. Release that Bill Bar ordered on April authorities believe it was Of those who are considered non violent and not a threat to public safety. He asked that they be released. So they would reduce the possibility of the spread of corona virus. Well under this offer in under the Federal Bureau presents algorithms only silicon percent. Only seven percent of the african-american organs are going to be eligible for this early release because they view drug offenses as likely to be recidivist. And you know we've we've got to change that and these people need to be need to be lined up right. But that's not the case. So what what? What is the prison that you spent most of your your time in jail and prison him? Well I was in. I was in Oakdale Louisiana which the Wall Street Journal said was president under siege. The Washington Post said it was the epicenter or Ground Zero it was a a focus of NPR Because of the first six inmates that died in the United States five of them were were from oatmeal place where I spent five years. And there's a reason and most people are aware of this now but the prison conditions virtually all prisons in jails city and county jails throughout the country are overcrowded. But when you when you have. Inmates stacked up as were up the hill at one point I was in a room with twenty one people. We called it. The Submarine Submarine Room. Because they were the beds were stacked not just too high but three high Michael Ports. You got into your bunk. You couldn't sit up because there wasn't enough space. You could literally reach L. From alcohol and touch the other bunce. There was one door going into this room. And that was the only entrance and exit and there were no windows no circulation so any virus or any infection that anyone had could easily be passed on to the other end nights and when you have communal showers and communal soap and urinals that are just inches apart is I virtually impossible. I felt like I've got something to help you. Okay I think it's just from talking too much but the it's virtually impossible twos two separate properly and you know the the Attorney General's order that we should release. Nonviolent inmates who are not a threat to public safety raises the question. Why are they in their good question? Right there L. involved and not a threat to public safety. And what are they doing in prison in the first place so hopefully as we form new economies out of this crisis they were going through. Hopefully we'll also see changes in our criminal justice system. I hope so now. Let me ask you this governor. What before this happened to you before you found yourself in federal prison was the subject of prison overcrowding for profit prisons the prison industrial complex. Was that even on your radar. Was that an issue. Your concerned with I was opposed to private as I am now. I was able to get one one person off of death row because they had withheld exculpatory evidence but what? I was convicted of something. I'd do. It never happened. I just sent a shockwave through my body and I want to thank those involved in the innocence project and the equal justice initiative who have managed to get one hundred fifty people off of death row because they were proven to be Edison. So we've got a long way to go in changing our justice system and again the purpose of my book is not to promote the story about me but is called action so that we can change our justice system again to protect those who are most vulnerable right and obviously that's of paramount importance right now. We're seeing persecution of people who shouldn't be prosecuted. Your story is the perfect example. And then we see I mean just watching this administration in action hearing Donald Trump praising. Michael Flynn hearing knowing seeing him. Pardon People like Sheriff Are Pyo and I can't even remember some of the other people he's pardoned. I don't even want to think of it and think who might be pardoned in the future there. Has Roger Step well? He hasn't pardoned him yet but no doubt he will. Apparently Roger Stone found Jesus in prison or is waiting to go to prison. The thing that our justice system is truly flawed and definitely needs an overhaul l. Let me ask you this governor. Siegelman you were at the time. I think went. When did when were you? Run out of office was where it was a two thousand four. I was I was reelected in. Two Thousand and two election was stolen. And that's when I could give you some background. The Justice Department finally admitted actually was revealed through whistleblower in the In the House through the House Judiciary Committee in a sealed. See a letter. From the Department of Justice to then chairman John Conyers that the lead prosecutor in my case the lead prosecutor was emailing my Republican opponents campaign manager giving him updates on the investigation and yet the Department of Justice told John Conyers that my prosecution was not politically motivated ran. It was it was it was started by car rose client. It was advanced by car. Rose business for this wife who was bush-appointed. Us Attorney the money for my defeat was raised by Jack. Abramov twenty billion dollars. He admits this in his book. And also in the documentary. My election was stolen by Karl. Rove's client and the list goes on so the Both the the election big stolen that my prosecution or definitely political he liked it gets back to my point about Donald Trump. We've got to stop the abuse of power and it starts with changing our criminal. Justice system definitely definitely be very quickly for those who don't know the story. What was the charge that they accused you of? It was bribery right young at the time. That the that Jack Abramov was funneling. Twenty million dollars of Indian casino money into Alabama to defeat me and to defeat my papa education lottery proposal. It was a ballot initiative designed to give every child early learning and free college education grains and at the time that they were funneling in twenty million dollars illegally to defeat me. I was raising money to promote the passage of the constitutional amendment. I accepted a contribution from a fortune. Hundred five hundred Ceo and reappointed him to a board that he had been on for twelve years only about two Republicans and one governor before me come on. Democratic governor before the Fourth Governor to appoint him as God as my witness when I called and asked him if he would serve as my right hand did. If I'm like the what I asked him to serve on the board he said Oh governor. Do I have to? I'll have gone and that guy surf of years. Wow robbery and he didn't even want to be on the guy. They went after him too. So the point is I want to make another point here so I was. I was sent to prison on the basis of the campaign contribution to Education Lottery Foundation. There was no no evidence of quid pro quo much less than expressway but in my book also talk about the impeachment trial of Donald. Donald Trump In that trial we had express evidence of audiotapes of of the president swapping military aid for an investigation of Joe Bod Yup so but the Republican asserted decided that even that wasn't enough to Return on articles of impeachment. So we've got this dichotomy and you know. The law applies to some people in one way into others in another way gets back to the point of my book. We've got to change our criminal justice system without a doubt. But here's the question. I was going to get at. Did the Democratic Party. Come to your aid at all. Did they do anything to help you? As you were under siege from Karl Rove and the Republicans will let me. Let me let me let me say. Let me ask you this. In two ways some self selected members of the party Steny Hoyer And a number of other members of the House Judiciary Committee one of my champions was of course Jon condoms and but I want to quote from the Los Angeles Times of.
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"You wanted to put it in this book and and was there some things in the book that are that. You didn't put the book that you wanted to. That may be COULDA got feedback or too sensitive to sensitive that you didn't want to share with the public or you wanted to share but you might have got you in trouble in the long run. I well I did write a book. I had may have plenty of time to write five minutes longer. Wrote a longer book. It was about six hundred forty pages but when I got out of a shopped it around to some literary agents. Say all agreed. That was a good story but needed to be cut so after got out of prison in February of two thousand seventeen. I started kind to compress this six hundred and forty page. Mammoth memoir into what some described as a John Grisham thriller because it has as many twists and turns and unbelievable actions but in politics is anybody could ever imagine but yeah I short but no. I didn't leave out anything that that I that I would have gotten anybody in trouble. The people I'm talking about or alive and well Bill Bill. Fire Koros client whom? I'm saying illegally seized illegally certified the vote. It costs me my election in two thousand and two is seated on the eleventh circuit. Court of Appeals. Now aren't you afraid that they would come after you for right I can? I can come after me but they can't they you know it's hard it's hard for for somebody to file a civil damages if you tell them the truth and I'm not afraid of anything that sends monk it's documented. It's got I think about forty pages of legal notes and they want to file a lawsuit. I'd be happy to face them and put them under oath and ask them questions. And I don't think that's going to happen. Five years is a long time to set in reflect on your life. You know decisions you make and even just What other people have done toward you? You know some people can get bitter some people. Can you know look for revenge and some people can find peace in in those five years? What was your your take on your own reflection in those five years besides writing this book. I mean it sounds like a great book. I haven't had a chance to read it because it's not out yet but What was your take on your own life and what you WANNA do Once now that you're out what's what's your. What's your goal to give you a couple of examples. I'm GonNa about your question. We run out of town. We won't we won't the If I if I told you that the president of the United States Senate his lawyer into the Supreme Court and argue that. Us citizens do not have a constitutional right not to be framed. That would probably shock you. Well that's exactly what President Obama did on January the fourth two thousand ten his lawyer went to the Supreme Court and argue that. Us citizens don't ever right not to be framed. Don't do not have a constitutional right not to be fine. The second thing that I would mention that a lot of people don't know is your listeners. They probably don't know that a judge can add years to a person. Senate's prison sentence for matters that the jury found that person not guilty. A jury finds him not guilty but the judge can add years to a person sentence for those matters for which the jury found the defendant. Not Guilty in my case the federal judge tripled triple by God line rage for matters for which I was acquitted and the final thing is. I mentioned that ninety. Seven percent of the people plead guilty the three percent. They go to trial if they testify on their own behalf and the jury finds him guilty. Anyway the judge figures well. They must've lied because the jury found him guilty. Therefore I'm going to add a perjury charge or an obstruction of justice charge to the half ounce of marijuana whatever was convicted at right over and over and over again so when. I sold these things recurring. Newman I heard stories about false. Evidence being presented or exculpatory evidence. Not being allowed. I realized that if if you believe that everything has a purpose or if you believe that in every situation one should look for a reason or a purpose for one being in that situation. I felt like God was telling me. Okay Don. You've seen what's wrong with it. You've seen what's wrong with the criminal justice system? Now go fix so. That is my quest. Now you know running. This book is not about me. This is this is about democracy. This is about preserving protecting our freedoms this is about protecting those are more vulnerable in society. They don't have the resources to fight back. So what I WANNA do is to balance the scales of justice and to do that to make the changes in the criminal justice system that will protect the innocent I've got to have credibility to do that. And that's why I'm asking people to preorder this book. Go to Amazon. Hold on Donaldson that going to be tough for you. I got all these different charges that you were charged with. I know you're acquitted on twenty five counts and this and that is going to be tough for you to come from that position. Yeah exactly that's why it's important that this not be read and and be read. Broadly so that people will understand that criminal. Justice system is out of balance. There was a guy named one Garcia After Obama started giving out pardons for people who had been convicted of marijuana. I want around and I was asking some of these guys. What was your charge? One Garcia had been charged in nineteen ninety seven but the F. Elsa Marijuana even given a felony but put on probation a nine hundred ninety nine it was same thing actually nineteen ninety four ninety seven and ninety nine years convicted again on a marijuana charge. No amount but he was. He was careered. Elvis give him twenty five years for those because of the team prior felonies of one half of marijuana or more he was able to get out after nineteen years but the fact that somebody was would be sent to prison for that long one for marijuana tea for a half house. Marijuana more is insane but we find it rampant across the country and you know people deserve a fair trial and in order to get a fair trial. They've got to have a Scott to be a balanced approach to a grand jury. Right now. Prosecutors are immune from civil liability. No matter what they do in the grand jury they can percents false evidence. They can withhold exculpatory evidence. They cannot be sued civilly because of the federal towards claims that grants them immunity. So we need to repeal the immunity in the Federal Torch claims so that prosecutors can be held civilly at least civilly responsible for sending. You're taking somebody's life away. And then secondly we need every every interview with every witness recorded and those recordings turned over to the defense before the trial in my case the one guy that testified for the government had been interviewed for four years he had been interviewed according to sixty metals over seventy seven zero seventy times and he had been made to write and rewrite is proposed testimony over and over until he got his strike meaning until he got his answers the way the prosecution wanted and so we we need to have those Those interviews recorded and those recordings turned over to the defense so that we can ensure that people have a fair shake that the scales balanced so they have a fair shot. Well we only have just a few minutes left and I mean as you know in everybody sees. There's such a division in America right now. I mean I think there always has been kissed. There seems to be more visible now and you know in Washington. We see it all the time in the state houses. We see it all the time. Is it really in in politics? Is it really the division that badges for the the the Pursuit of power For the party's itself because it just it's something just doesn't seem right to me when it comes to we always say we're Americans first but yet it seems like we're so divided I mean I forget the religions. Forget all this other stuff but is it just mostly power when it comes to politics itself? It really makes no sense. You're you're exactly right. There there is absolutely no reason for the party's political parties to be so dug in and so unwilling to work together to compromise in. What would be the best interest of the people of the country right baby? We saw a little of that in this Relief package that was passed. But there's so many other issues that can be solved if people would only as you said but but become American stores in the interest of American rights before of whatever else it is now part of it of course is driven by Your Campaign. Contributions and young people seeking reelection in worried about. Were they going to get the money to run? These expensive campaigns on on television campaigns amount of money that we spend is obscene. It forecloses most average people from entering into politics And you know I'm I'm not one for big government of not one for normally for am not even sure this work but you know having a public funded campaign but if there was a way to eliminate or restrict the amount of money we've seen citizens united you're the top spend blowing off for that so I'm not sure where we are or how we can get back to the proposition that you propose that members of both political parties ought to consider themselves Americans first and do what's in the best interest of the country into that well we we are honored to have you on the show People please go to STEALING OUR DEMOCRACY DOT COM. You can Check out the website. Go to Amazon preorder June sixteenth. 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