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231: Julin Castro on the Campaign Trail
"Hey, guys. It's very lot here Latino rebels radio. It is Tuesday April thirtieth two thousand nineteen and I'm actually recording from a parked car because I had the opportunity yesterday Monday to talk with democratic presidential candidate who leeann Castro. He was in New Hampshire and heading back to Boston to take a flight out of Boston. I headed down to downtown Boston sat in a building lobby with him and had about a I don't know seventeen eighteen minute conversations going to play it live to tape. Totally unedited. So I'm with who Dan Castro were embossed, and he's actually my town because he was up at Manchester, New Hampshire so secretary Castro. Thank you so much for being on with me. I good to be with you Julio. I did not even know that Boston was your town. And but it's good to be with you in Boston. I got into this place. Call Harvard, and I stayed so I'm listen, I know you talked to me for Latino USA a couple of months ago, and it was early in the campaign. But I wanted to check in with you because you are up in New Hampshire. I've seen a lot of you the last couple of weeks people are actually talking about you in. I think in a good way people are starting to because of what you said in your immigration, proposal and. So tell me how you feel you feel a little bit more comfortable these days because I've known you for a while you look you look pretty comfortable at least. Yeah. You know, maybe get the rust off of me and stuff. Now, you know, I I don't want to be the tortoise I want to be the hair. And what I see right now are that is it more people are showing up at our events whether in Nevada or New Hampshire, Iowa, our fundraising has accelerated a lot in the last few weeks. People are responding to my message. And you know, I'm not that phased that I'm not a front runner right now in April of twenty nineteen what I wanna do is. I want to build the foundation of a strong campaign that get stronger and stronger as we get closer to February third twenty twenty when I o our caucus. So I want to talk a little bit about the the women of color forum in Houston, because I know that I know Sarah, Harris got attention Senator Warren guy attention, but my little birdies who were there told me that did okay in front of. Infront in Houston. So tell me a little bit about that that forum, and why you feel you you thought you did good there, or at least, you know, compared to like other candidates probably got other other publicity than maybe they didn't want. Well, so we've started to have these candidate forums in different places last week. When was that she that people form in Houston and then on Saturday cap and SEI us sponsored one in Vegas, and if people go and check the press from those forums what they'll see is. I actually did very well compared to other candidates, right? Got great applause and response in Houston and also in Las Vegas. I think people respond to my strong positive vision for the future and my ability to connect policy with actual people. You know that it's not just about what's on paper. It's also about the heart that you put into it. And I'm gonna keep on, you know, getting out there to town halls to meeting greets to people's doorstep. And delivering that strong message. I'm encouraged that now I've seen on a number of occasions that coverage afterward say that people have noted that I've done very well compared to other candidates. Yeah. I will also give other candidates whether it's Senator Warner Senator Harris their props as well they've done. Well, but I know that I can do well when we get to those debates. So there are other mayors running in this race, and one of the things at least I've seen from Latino journalists in I think Latino influentials that have seen the campaign says that you're not getting a fair shake, as, you know, your big city mayor to be circling you like mayor who leeann do you like, I mean are people. Do you think do you think are being treated fairly? I think I mean are you looking at you know, as the only as the only Mexican the only candidate in this cycle. Do you feel like there's been a little bit of a blowback as being you know, what I'm saying? I mean, I think I have a responsibility as a candidate. And we do as a team to make sure we do everything we can to get the attention that any one of the twenty candidates running needs to get right? So we're working hard to do that. And I have seen the amount of press that I'm getting accelerate. That'd be lying, you if I said that, you know, there have been moments during this campaign where I felt like like what what Mel is is, you know, articles that come out whether it's in the New York Times or the Washington Post that totally skip over my candidacy, and the challenge is look you can either get historic about that or you can go out there and work hard. And that's what our families do all the time, we go and we work hard. And so I'm going earnestly out there and working hard and delivering that message. So that it's going to be impossible to ignore my candidacy by the time that February of twenty twenty comes around, and I'm not gonna put my faith in. You know, these big newspapers are networks, I'm going to put my faith in the voters out there. So tell me a little bit just in terms of contributions getting to the debates. Are you are you close? I mean how how's your? How's your fundraising been going? Do you have a specific number that you can share? Yeah. So as folks may know in order to qualify for these debates, you got to qualify by polling, and then if you have twenty people the qualified by polling, which is entirely possible because so many people are running then you have to get at least sixty five thousand unique donors, we're probably at about fifty eight or fifty nine thousand right now, maybe sixty thousand we have until June twelfth. And so we will likely hit that cut off. But. We've seen fundraising accelerate throughout the month of April. We were a little bit slow on establishing our digital fundraising and investing in that. Now that we have invested in that we've seen a great return. And so I'm confident that our fundraising is going to be a lot better this second quarter than the first. So let me tell you. So to me, it's like Island New Hampshire, and then we have Nevada as as like to say never. Right. And I think people are underestimating Nevada this time around, and I noticed that John Ralston who was someone. I I respect rates. Wrote about did they covered you for the Nevada independent and saying that you're you've been out in the Nevada like a lot. And so is that your first path because you are Latino, and you feel like that's a place where you you. You could be competitive compared to other candidates and standout. Well, I'll say this. I mean number one I've been out there seven times since I now, it's my exploratory committee in December and of the I four states Nevada is the state where I get the strongest response. I get a good response in Iowa New Hampshire, South Carolina, but the strongest responsive gotten has clearly been in Nevada, and I believe that I can win Nevada in February of two thousand sixteen f twenty twenty so I need to talk a little bit about being electing candidate. And you know, I saw you. I'm Bill Maher. I saw you broke it down. I also knowing your your family history. Knowing the fact that your mom did. Need that we there's kind of an elephant in the room when it comes to Democrats. I mean in the Latino community, I think we can't just say like they're having been issues. I mean, you were part of an administration that, you know, an immigration policy that I wouldn't say was that supported by let let the nose being fair are you wrestling with? I mean, how you addressing like being part of an administration on the Obama administration that has been criticized by by Latinos and immigration rights activists kind of. You know, there's people that say, you couldn't have Trump without Obama and Bush and Clinton, and you were part of that administration. So do you address that at all do you? I mean, I know your plan is a little bit more comprehensive and has gotten a lot of kudos from people in the note that help you. I mean, how are you trying to stand out and say like I mean because there was family detention in the Obama administration. There was you know, we're talking reporter and chief in a lot of ways. So how do you deal with it? I've said several things number one I released by own people. I immigration plan of what I would do if I'm elected president. And it represents a completely different vision for immigration. It is the only plan that any of the twenty twenty candidates have put forward it's the boldest plan everything from ending family detention ending to eighty seven g decriminalizing people who crossed the border and instead going back to the way that we used to do it and treat it as a civil violation investing in an immigration judiciary. So we can reduce the backlog improving the legal immigration system, including increasing the number of refugees that we take in and also a twenty-first-century Marshall plan for Central America. So that we stem the tide of people who are coming here because they can find safety and opportunity over there in their home country. But I say look. I think what's true about the Obama administration. Is that it got better on the immigration on the immigration issue? As it went as time went by. Right. I was one of those people that criticize the administration in two thousand fourteen. About I remember that. I don't think people know that. I think I think I remember that you did. But talk about when you did my criticism at the time was about how their plans for the parents of dreamers. No, not only dreamers, but also the parents of dreamers and other undocumented immigrants because I don't believe that we should separate immigrants into good ones and bad ones. And yeah, I got there in July of two thousand fourteen in November of two thousand fourteen and I'm not taking credit for this. I'm just saying the people that were working on this worked on this in November of two thousand fourteen they did Dopp they had already done DACA than they did Dopp. So there was something that we could be proud of. And it was going in the right direction. And then Finally, I tell people look I understand, you know, people who were disappointed with some of the things that the administration did. But I hope people can also tell that it was night and day in terms of the way that president OBE. Obama thought about these issues and President Trump does Trump SR. Trying to win his reelection on the backs of immigrants. I mean that is his number one issue to create fear and division into scapegoat them and win a narrow electoral college victory. That's why I've been bold enough to come up with a different plan because I'm not afraid of him or his politics. And I'm gonna stand by people that I know are wonderful people and add to this country. They don't subtract from it talking about the plan. It kind of happened with. Governor O'Malley in two thousand like he came out with a strong immigration plan. You came out with a plan as well in this cycle that has earned. I mean, I saw the kudos. I mean, there's people in the immigration community. You're like you need to applaud Leon Castro for for taking the bull by the horn is specifically on an issue that we know that the president has been running on is it resonating because do you think like in the community because this is I guess, maybe? 'cause I've covered this topic way too long secretary Castro, and it seems like there's a lot of like new journalists or kind of just wait like two eighty seven g what is this? But you on the ground like in Nevada in in New Hampshire in Iowa. Or you're campaigning in California. You're in California. And I heard, you know, you spoke to college students who are letting x constant is do they get it understand the plan? Do they see like is it resonating with the people you speak on the ground and not just with like the DC political journalism circles. People get the sense that I'm committed to standing up for our immigrant community, and I have seen the enthusiasm certainly in the Latino community. But even beyond that go up tremendously since we released that immigration pattern. It's just kind of qualitatively like you can just feel the character of the support is more enthusiastic because they wanted to know look, you know, are you going to stand up for people? And I think that they have seen that I will do that. They have more confidence that I will do that. And so, you know, we just released it three weeks ago on April second, and I we've seen an increase in political support an increase in the crowd size that we have at different events and more warmth. I think even from the Latino community. So I would say, yes. And you know, what I'm gonna follow that up with another bold education plan housing plan healthcare plan, and I believe that's why that's one of the reasons why we're going to gain momentum. And do it, you know steadily. But surely. And be in the right place at the right time in early twenty twenty. All right. So I have to ask you this because you made me sort of a Twitter star a couple of weeks ago when I shared your clip with Bill Maher, and I was looking at it as a Latino journalists and also fell Dino saying, why would Bill Maher ask you this first questions like why are you carrying about immigration? It seems like it's like Obama would be carrying about reparations, and I found it to be a little bit personally insulting. And and I say this I tried to put the community I sometimes, but I have to say you handle that question with a lot of grace and your mother did raise your, right? I think or your grandma, but at the moment, you think like. You being the only Latino candidate. And there's, you know twenty plus and you have of you have a president that basically started his entire campaign calling like whatever with anti Mexican comments. Are you seeing, you know, do you feel like you have to like, I don't know like put on your last Sagir little bit? Or are you trying to find that balance? Because. You know what I mean? I mean what what's going through your head? When you because it wasn't. I mean, I'll be honest with you don't have to say, it wasn't cool. What Mark did to you? And a lot of people out on Twitter agreed. Stretched it that is it. Part of politics is being able to eat shit at the right moments. So that you can achieve a greater victory in the end. And you know, this Julio I mean, I think a lot of people know this who are listening whether it's in their workplace or in school or when you're running for president. I'm trying to keep my eyes on the prize. And the other thing that I said, though, that interview was that, you know, what I'm doing this because it's something that's in my heart and people want to know, what's in your heart. And so if some people think that I'm being too Latino because I released as my first piece of policy, not the only piece of policy I'm going to release, but I released as my first piece of policy and immigration policy. Then so be it. But I think when they see me up there on the stage when they listen to me at one of these town halls or meeting Greece, they say that hey, I actually have a comprehensive strong positive vision for everybody in this country. But I'm not. Going to run away from standing up for immigrants just because they look like me so out. When you when you announced. And I'm going to be honestly on this one. I I saw a lot of young Latinos to we're finally like someone finally looks like me someone who's from my background someone who had like an immigrant, you know, grandparent, or, you know, she gonna mom because I know your mom, and you know, my. Does that even hit you like in this like when you see I mean? I mean. You're the first year the first Latino to run with an accent for democratic. I know I know, you know, you have Bill Richardson from New Mexico, but you know, they figure who young cat. That's my brother's name. Julia on its Julio does that even hit you like when you see these young knows. I mean in say like, wow. Because that's the one thing I've seen in your campaign is that there's a lot of people are like, that's my background that too. I am. Are you seeing like in a lot of ways? Yeah. I saw that especially that day here. We announced at this one loop it plaza next to the. While a Lupu church there in San Antonio, and one of the most special moments one of the moments that resonated, the most in the Latino community was actually something that hardly anybody wrote about there was somebody that wrote about the music that was played at several of the different announcements, and they wrote about my walkout song which was turn turn turn by the birds, but they didn't actually write about via last which was my walk off song by Selena in. Which is what a lot of people were talking about that day, if you were Latino, and I know that's Mexican American, but even, you know, Puerto Rican like people were like, wow, I can't believe that I heard this music, and you had people saying they got emotional because of that. And I can relate to that. I can understand that. There was a sense of pride that goes beyond. Whether that's me or somebody else that would make that announcement. But you could see again that in the mainstream. Media that just flew over their head, you know. And and I hope that one of the things that happens in this campaign. Whatever happens in the final tally of the votes is that people see a positive about our community, and what we can do and what we can be. And most importantly that there little Athena's into Latinos that see me on that stage in Miami in June, and then beyond that and hopefully on the stage with Donald Trump and hopefully on inauguration day in January of twenty twenty one. And they say, you know, what I can do that too. So you're in you're in it, you're going to keep going you. You look energized. I'm ready to fight well secretary Castro democratic presidential nominee. Thank you so much for chatting a little bit. And I'm sure I'm sure I'm gonna run to you later this year. All right. I'll be back to Boston, man. Take care. So there you go guys. That's the conversation. And if you like what you heard great reviews, tell your friends share this interview, we will see where this all goes. I do think cash will be on the debate stage in Miami in June. I also think that him being the only the only Latino candidate in the democratic primary at a time when you have a president who basically has made part of his campaign in part of his administration sort of this. How do I say it it's like anti Mexican anti Latino anti global south? I mean, it's pretty obvious that the administration has has kind of gone down that route. I just thought it was important to have someone like cash on and share his thoughts. And again, you can review it can tweet at us. You can tell us whether you like the interview or not in tweet at me. Aletha seventy seven like I said, we're at Latino rebels Latino rebels on Facebook on Instagram. So we'll be back later this week. We're going to be doing sink or they find you'll on Sunday may fifth Amsoil excited for that one. I'm we're going to have to go to go on. And we're going to go through all the failed Cinco that Mijo ad campaigns and all the crap that's going out there. So we'll see then. And I guess I conclude that with up lately, I didn't do it as my intro. But let's go play with Soviet does gallery. La LA, Tino, rebels radio. Right now with the old and in with the v. Been in credibly fast, reliable internet. The old and in with a simple awesome. Click call of its research. Research areas.
Target USA -- Episode 175: An interview with Elizabeth Horst, charg daffaires, US Embassy Tallinn, Estonia
"From podcast, one coming up in this episode of target USA a woman that I describe, as tough smart and funny, her name, Elizabeth Horst fees, the shark Jay defeo is at the US embassy in talent Estonia, and she's got a great story to tell as the Shahjahan I am in charge of the running of the embassy. I spent a good part of the day, working on the policy that we were con with the Estonians and our primary goals here are security, economic development and people to people relationships. And she's had plenty of experiences in people to people relationships. And some of the toughest postings in the world, including Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Moscow, we'll hear from her about her work, and we'll hear more about the US relationship with Estonia coming on this addition of target USA. The national security podcast from WTO in Washington DC. This is target. USA. Russia could render huge arm to this country, North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States. Dangerous. Terraced DC is repeatedly mentioned someplace they would like to seek an attack criminal success. America as a target on its back and on this program, we investigate the threats the people behind them, the agencies fighting them and the impact on you. This is target USA, the national security podcast. I'm Jay Jay green Elizabeth Horst as the shores eight affairs at the US embassy in talented Estonia. She's also career foreign service officer, and I might add one of the toughest funniest and, and most intelligent that I've had the chance to meet while in Estonia recently got a chance to sit down with her. But I wanna tell you just a little bit about her background beforehand. She's worked for international media engagement in the bureau public affairs where she spearheaded the relaunch of the State Department's flagship Russian language account on Twitter and Facebook. She was deputy economic counselor and Kiev Ukraine where she managed to team focused on economic reform. And previously, she served in Qalat Zabul province in Afghanistan. She also served in Pakistan, and in Moscow. None of those places is a walk in the park. So when she came here to talent Estonia, she brought him serious. Gilles with her now for our conversation. Can you tell me what your responsibilities are in this position? So as the shark shea, I am in charge of the running of the embassy. Jay is a title that you use when there's not currently sitting in Basler when we have a sitting Basser, I'm the deputy chief of mission, and I serve essentially as the executive officer that oversees the policy management of the mission. So what are some of the things that you do on a daily basis? So if I headed divide my day into segments, I spent a good portion of the day, working on the policy that we were on with the stones and our primary goals, here are security, economic development and people to people relationships. I also spent a significant part of my day, managing the embassy. So working with people throughout the embassy, working with the different section heads to talk to them about what their priorities are. And how that's all moving on our mission goals. How would you describe your relationship? The US's relationship with Stony the us enjoys an outstanding relationship with Stony ah in my nineteen years in the State Department. There have been few countries where we've enjoyed such a deep partnership across so many sectors. Is known as the world's most technologically advanced country. And I was told by a number of people that hundreds or maybe like a hundred official delegations, come here, every year just to talk to them about how they do. There's, there's cyber, you know, they're online elections, and yeah. So Estonia was very smart. And in the early days of its independence, at realized that, what might not have a lot of resources that could go digital quickly would be both money saving measure, and also way to combat corruption and so bit by bit program by program, introduced a lot of digital services. And as a result, they built up a lot of expertise that they have now consolidated into a couple of different sectors. One of them is their governance academy, and that's a place that a lot of delegations from around the world, come to see how a Stony has done it, how they manage to digitize healthcare, how they managed to digitize taxes Estonians will tell you takes about three minutes to father taxes on their phones, and they laugh, when I tell them how long it takes me to gather my documents in order to file my taxes. Still face some serious issues with some of his neighbors. At least one of his neighbors on the US has issues as well. But it's still and the US in this great partnership that it's in have found a way to make progress on all the issues that are important to the two countries working together from military to, to diplomatic relations. And one of the ways that I understand that both countries have benefiting is the military cooperation, and the Maryland national guard in addition to NATO and all of the other components of the US military have been instrumental can you give me your view on why this is important and how it works. Sure. So let me say that the United States and Stony a- as you mentioned are both NATO allies. So within the alliance, we work together on our collective transatlantic security, and I think sometimes for Americans that seems like a very abstract concept. But here in a Stony, it's very real because this is the eastern frontier of NATO, and there are threats that are across the border. The Maryland national guard has played an exceptional role in our bilateral cooperation, because in addition to doing things bilaterally through the army, or the navy, or the airforce or through NATO, the Maryland, national guard through its state partnership program provides an extra element of partnership of corporation and its enduring because the same guard members will come back year after year. And so they establish these long standing relationships that go far beyond, for example, the three years, that I'm in Estonia. Could you give me a sense of, of, how you help facilitate that you participate in the process of making sure that, you know, this relationship continues, militarily and diplomatically, as well? And trying to figure out some way to get you to expound a little bit on. So it's not just a military training thing that the national guard, does when they come here and it's not just training folks, here they learn things too. So give me your view on how this two way street works. So the state partnership program with the Maryland national guard is a way that Estonia and Maryland are able to connect across military sectors, beyond just occasional exercise to planned exercises plant exchanges plan trainings that go from year to year. So a team for example, from his Tony of my go to Maryland for an exercise might go back the next year and the following year and that gives this continuity, that is unusual outside of the state partnership program. There's an additional element, the connection between Estonia and Maryland. And that's the sister city program. And now there are eleven sister city pairs. The started in two thousand nine when governor O'Malley signed an agreement with an Estonian official that started the program, and that has taken the state partnership program, which was primarily military through the Maryland national guard and expanded to cultural educational economic ties. We had the deputy governor of Maryland here about a year and a half ago, looking at how we could expand economic ties. And so this Maryland national guard state partnership has led to all sorts of other things and personal ties also a number of the Maryland, national guard folks that come here have learned Estonian over the years and it's actually impressive, and it, it shows that this is more than just a unit training with another unit. It's people meeting people in the common goal is actually our transit. Lennick values, and this larger security cooperation that is NATO. So let's talk a little bit about what you do. And how you do what you do. So give me a sense of what your day is like, how does it start? And how does it end? Or does it typical day for me right now might be like today, I came in got a briefing from my staff on what the top headlines were, and what the immediate meetings and across the embassy we're going to be, then I headed to the SICOM conference, which I believe you were at which was an international conference. Sponsored by NATO's, CCD COE, which is the cooperative cyber defence center of excellence. It's a mouthful. I attended that I went from there to a meeting that I hosted with ministry of defense officials to talk about their most recent visit to the United States. And how our roadmap might continue for bilateral cooperation, then it came back science memo's approve some vouchers answered some emails, I went to a school board meeting where helped steer the last meeting of the international school, which is essential to the functioning of embassy because we have a lot of embassy children there. Came back here caught up on headlines in the United States and then came to this meeting with you. So when does it end I mean, is there a standard for you or do you just do what you gotta do? So one of the joys of being a diplomat is we love what we do. So there is no no beginning and end their tasks that need to be done their emissions that need to be accomplished and we get them done. That doesn't mean it's all work. But it does mean managing the priorities and adjusting your work tempo, too. When there's a lot going on. You work a little bit harder when there's less going on your work a little less harder. One of the main challenges view, one of the things that are most most challenging for you at this point. Probably the most challenging is just having enough hours in the day. It's, it's the balance that most people haven't any job. What's urgent but not important? What's important, but non urgent and making sure I carve out enough time to the fundamentals of our bilateral relationship ended the fundamentals of managing an embassy. So that everyone has the time in the guidance that they need to do their jobs. Well, if I'm doing my job. Well, that means that everyone else is doing their jobs. Well. And just need to come to for questions. Sense of what security cooperation means. Sure. So security cooperation can take place on a number of different levels. We have bilateral security cooperation, with houstonians that has just between the United States and Estonia. The big part of our security corporation is also within the framework of NATO and within the framework, the alliance, and so that's many NATO nations working together, either in studio, or 'Estonia and the United States, going to other places to exercise. And then there's the bilateral cooperation that we have with the Maryland national guard, and it state partnership with Estonians, and this can vary number of different ways. And in the past year, over twenty six different engagements that the Maryland, national guard had with the Estonians, and that ranged from, you know, small teams of three to five coming over for meetings to plan exercises to a group of twenty six coming here to do an exercise. The rela national guard took took part in Estonia, 's exercise lock shields, which is a cyber exercise which took place in remotely. In past years, they've come over with aircraft. And in fact, the biggest overseas deployment of the Maryland, national guard, I believe was for a military exercise in Estonia here, two years ago where the aircraft they brought a cyber component to as well. And one of the things I also remember working with the Maryland national guard was my first week here. I went out to visit a kindergarten where some of the guard had built a fence around it in order to keep it a little bit safer and a little bit cleaner. So the range of activities is really diverse. But it also goes back to what I had mentioned before building this partnership, that goes beyond just taking place in one exercise somewhere one time, but an ongoing investment both in Stony a-. And then the reverse is what the Estonians teach the Maryland national guard about their understanding of, of warfare of cyber and other issues. Okay. So I'll conclude by asking you how has. This posting benefited you how has this stacked up against the rest of your career? And how has just just, you know, what are you getting out of this, and how is it helping you for your next chapter? So I've been really spoiled living and working in Stony a-. And I'll be honest because it's this perfect combination of a really nice place to live Thanh as an extraordinarily. Nice city work, that is important to the United States security interests, national interests, and working with a partner government that is really exceptional that as a true partner in every sense of the words where we work together as equals on a lot of issues where we share many of the same interests and values. So I feel like having that perfect trifecta has made this an extraordinarily interesting assignment for me. It's been a privilege to work on security issues that benefit the United States right now. We're also looking at expanding the economic cooperation, so that again, we can benefit the prosperity of both tone ins and the Americans. And it's just really been a privilege to be here. I'm also on a personal big hiker and it's hard to the Estonian forests and shorelines for great recreation. That was, what was with Horst the sharp J the fares at the US, embassy and talents Donia, and now for a little more detail on Stony. Estonia is a magnificent country. It's the one hundred thirty second largest country on the planet, which means it's small only a little bit bigger than the US state of Maryland. And by the way, there's a really interesting connection between the two not just historically. But there's also as Elizabeth Horst mentioned a partnership, I that historical part. Absolutely. And, you know, that story goes back several centuries, that's a Stony ambassador to the US. Jonathan vicinity of was back in the late twelfth early thirteenth century when Estonia was not yet. Christianized were pagans lost heart of Europe. That was yet to be criticized when the pope back then started what was known as the northern we were finally crucial is by the early thirteenth century. And once that happened, the pope declared Estonia. Now it is. To be in lighting. They called us the terra Mariana means the land of Mary in making reference to Virgin Mary, so ever since then we've been sometimes called, marina, and of Mary, and nowadays, the, the president of stone, yo, when she awards decorations than will Horner's the highest Craciun. We can would president can award is called the cross of Ramadan cross of their land in the beginning of twentieth century, Estonians emigrated into the ice eights, and we found a relatively significant our standards community and around Baltimore. And we had a very vibrant, cultural society in the state of Maryland. So not only do we share the name Mary, but our actual relations people to people relations, go back now more than one hundred years. More about the partnership in a few moments. But first Estonia itself, it may be one of the smallest countries in the world but it's the world's most technologically advanced nation. It's also America's most critical ally in eastern Europe, and it is also on the front lines of US activities when it comes to Russia, visiting Stony recently, it became clear, the last one hundred years of Estonian history has been up and down a free prospering country. That was rocked by the dark trauma of World War, Two survived, only to be occupied by next door neighbor Russia after the Cold War, ended it began another period of optimism, only to be brought to its knees by vicious Russian government sponsored cyber attack, but Estonia ever the resilient country emerge triumphant from yet another. Gloomy chapter to once again plot a course, toward freedom and prosperity this time, it's seeking not to keep up with the world but to become a world leader and the first order of business has been putting Stony I understand how Stony is going about this. I had the chance to sit down with under secretary for political affairs hall tease, Lou he works in the foreign ministry of Stony, a-. And he talked about their mission and their relationship with the US American foreign police shady, stays keys force. Force one. It is clear that the America first foreign policy bring has brought already for points that have been made on the world stage, by by the government. That is also pushing others to react to that. And, and we tried to see where this. Because we always would like to work hand in hand. Our, our allies is this reaction? Good one that you've seen to the America first or certainly, the shift in American foreign policy. We have enter into the two stage of, of great power competition, more clearly than Thanh earlier. And that having clear aims, of course too. To safeguard the American interest, when we speak about America first foreign policy as regards to us, and we feel that it's very important to, to oppose this kind of transatlantic alignment that we will take care of each other's interests and concerns. As well as to do it in a corporate demand. Article five five to let's just Rebecca bone of our relationship. Article fund for those who don't know is the cornerstone of the North Atlantic Treaty organization NATO, and it states that an attack on one member of NATO is an attack on all of its members, but despite its importance NATO has only invoked article five once in its history throughout all of the tragic disasters that have taken place since NATO started the only time was on September eleventh, two thousand one that's when the US was attacked by Osama bin Laden's al-qaeda, organisation, Estonia was not a member of NATO at that time, it joined NATO on the twenty ninth of March two thousand four along with Bulgaria Latvia, Lithuania Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia. And since that time, Estonia and the US have been hand in glove when it comes to difficult security problems, and perhaps none has been more significant than cyber. As I promised a few moments ago, we get into more of the partnership between Estonia and the US. Here's where we do that. Brigadier General Maria beyond the J six for the US European command and also the rector of the joint cybercentre explains just how closely they worked together and they're, they're great partner. They certainly have been on the front lines for a while. I think one of the key things from our perspective that you con is the state partnership program with the with, with Maryland. And it's just one of four pillars the state partnership program how we get after, you know, collaboration here in the European theater, but it's an important pillar and what's fascinating about the state partnership with the Maryland national guard is that it's been in existence about twenty five years. So a very long term enduring partnership. From our perspective in specifically for the joint cyber center, it's the cyber piece of this and so. They have the Maryland national guard has worked extremely hard with in conjunction with you com- in our priorities to ensure that this area. And it's a Stony a- as well as the drastic five as we call them, Abadia, Bosnia, and Hercegovina Costa, VO, north Macedonia. And Montenegro has been a real leader, the US and Estonia have heavily invested in their relationship, both politically and militarily. The military's spend lots of time training together, in fact in the last year, there have been over fifty military-to-military engagements scheduled between the Maryland national guard, and the Estonian, defence force, and captain, Ben Hughes, coordinator of the state partnership program for the Maryland, national guard says, we're able to form long-term professional and personal relationships with our. Counterparts, and they worked together for years, and in this particular situation. The partnership goes far beyond capacity building interoperability and security cooperation their friendships, that have developed through their shared experiences friendships that are expected to last indefinitely. Coming up in our next episode. Saba claim is the game changer. That's will van gamut. He's the deputy executive director of operations at EuroPol, and he says, cybercrime is a big problem, that's getting bigger than has been distilled, again, changing this field has global affected speedy. And the impact is very strongly to its organizations people. So he's see storm development. India and, and in, in the boss, you could make a difference between, let's say a script Katie Heqiu state sponsored activities, but that bitch damn anymore. That's a difficult situation. There are others that are equally as difficult including terrorism. We have to security risks, still those phone fighters that already have or will we tune into future because of the situation in the goals, Nick zone. And in, you know, countries itself, people that's feel motivated of supported by the antibodies and you'll also talk. About their relationship with the US coming up in our next addition. 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"This is CNN breaking news. Welcome to our viewers here in the United States and around the world. I'm Wolf Blitzer in Washington. This is a special edition of the situation room. The Corona virus pandemic has now taken more than twenty thousand American lives. There are more than five hundred. Twenty four thousand confirm corona virus cases in this country worldwide Coruna virus cases of past one point seven million with more than one hundred eight thousand deaths were one day removed from the deadliest day yet. Here in the United States on Friday more than two thousand Americans died from Corona virus and as the numbers. Keep ticking up. Americans are adjusting to the new normal for the first time. In this country's history every single state is now under a disaster declaration at the same time along with those declarations some areas are simply implementing stricter measures in Michigan for example. This Day at home orders have been given added half as residents are now banned from travelling to another home or property risking thousand dollar fine or even jail time in Kentucky. The governor declares anyone attending Easter services in person will face a misdemeanor violation at a fourteen day. Quarantine state police will record the license plates of anyone attending Easter Services Tomorrow in Los Angeles. It is now mandatory for employees in customers of essential businesses to wear masks. The country's epicenter remains New York. The state accounts for one hundred eighty one thousand cases. That's more than any single country outside the. Us Governor Andrew Cuomo and New York City Mayor Bill De Blasio. Meanwhile they're sparring over whether the city schools will be closed for the remainder of the academic year. This governor Cuomo today highlighted the states staggering daily death toll. Terrible news is the number of lives. Lost seven hundred and eighty three yesterday That is not an all time high and you can see that. The numbers somewhat stabilizing but it is stabilizing at an horrific rate. President trump is spending Easter. Weekend mulling over a way forward for the country. I'm going to have to make a decision and I only hope to God that it's the right decision but I would say without question. It's the biggest decision I've ever had to make. And now the administration stalled response in the early stages of the outbreak are back under the microscope. According to a New York Times report back on February twenty first the White House Run Virus Task Force concluded that parts of the country would need to be shut down to stop the spread of Corona virus. More than three weeks later three weeks later. The president issued social distancing guidelines. And those came on. March sixteenth during that gap the nation's Corona Virus Cases Balloon from under twenty to over four thousand. Cnn White House. I bought a German. Diamond is joining us from the White House. Right now. Jeremy so what happened in the White House during that nearly one month gap between the Task Force initial recommendation on shutting down areas And the president's finally issuing distancing guidelines well according to the New York Times. It was the third week in February by the time Which top- public health experts inside the government had concluded that aggressive social distancing was going to be necessary to stop the spread of this evolving pandemic across the world. Are they plan to urge the president to implement those social distancing guidelines but the president at the time was traveling in India so they had scheduled a briefing with the president for the day that he returns but on that flight returning from India Wolf? Allot changed the Doctor Nancy. One of the government's top public health experts warned that there could be serious and severe impacts to daily life the stock market was also crashing at the time and the president grew furious and instead of that briefing that he was expected to receive. Were those public health. Experts were going to urge him to implement these social distancing guidelines. The president said had a news conference where he put might Vice President Mike Pence in charge of the corona virus response and from then on wolf the response inside the White House really began to shift and they began to focus a lot. More on messaging on assuring the American people that they had this epidemic under control of course wolf. We now know that that was far from the truth at the time. It's not clear. Exactly when Wolf the president was I briefed again on those social distancing guidelines and implementing them. But it was more than three weeks between the time when those officials concluded that those measures should be put in place and when the president ultimately decided to do so of course wolf that was precious time loss but we also know. Wolf. Is that beyond those three weeks of time. We know that. In January and February top government health experts and other administration officials national security officials intelligence officials were warning about the scale of this potential pandemic those warnings of course wolf. The president was ignoring at the time. We know publicly. The president in January and in February repeatedly downplayed the threat of this virus. Suggesting it was completely under control. Jeremy the president is now saying he will listen to the medical experts before quote opening up the country once again but CNN reported these consulting with Wall Street friends who are strongly urging him to open up the economy as soon as possible. What can you tell us about that? That's a person familiar with the conversations tells CNN that the president is hearing from friends in the finance industry and in the in the business world some of whom are urging the president to put a date on the calendar to decide when to reopen the country that is of course the debate that is brewing inside this administration as well and that really is the story of the president's response to this pandemic the president getting an earful from advisors on the outside of the White House advisers inside the White House and on both counts wolf. The president is often getting conflicting advice as well. We do know that that is the topic that is on the president's mind this weekend though. He is looking at when he can potentially begin to reopen the country but just yesterday wolf. We heard that warning from Anthony. Fauci saying we need to have testing in place before anything can move on. That front will vary important point. Indeed are Jeremy. Thank you very much. Germany diamond. At the White House. We'll get back to you. Meanwhile sharp focus on New York state and New York City where combined more people are sick at have died from the virus than anywhere else in the United States. A hint of some possible. Good news today. According to the State's Governor Andrew Cuomo this morning saying New York's curve is continuing to flatten his words. Giving cautious that the number of people who need to be hospitalized this tapering off. Nobody celebrating of course but the governor says the number of people becoming infected is lower on the other hand. The New York City Fire Department is reporting more than seven hundred firefighters and emergency medical service professionals have tested positive for the virus in all more than twenty five hundred fire department members are out sick or hurt including those who are dealing with the corona virus. Let's go to CNN mcmorris Antara. He's joining us from New York. Sickout to the fire department. Clearly one of the major concerns in New York and the potential impact on the city's readiness but also today some confusion about public schools in New York City whether or not they will reopen remained closed for the academic year. What's going on well wolf? Let's start with what everyone agrees on. Which is that schools and all of New York state have been closed for several weeks and they will remain closed through April twenty ninth. Which is the end of the pause period? The current end of the pause period. That's that stay at home. Order from the governor called pause here New York. The question is what happens after that This morning New York City Mayor Bill De Blasio held a press conference where he said. Look look at the numbers. You look at the At at what's going on and said okay. The schools in the city the largest school system. The United States and million students will remain close to the scheduled end of the academic year on June twenty-sixth. No one's going back to school. He said it's all shutdown. Teachers were alerted. Parents were alerted It went up on the school's website. it was out there only a couple hours later though governor. Cuomo held his press conference where he said. Actually it's his call if the schools closed or remain open in the entire state and hooting. New York City. And that he hasn't determine what he's GonNa do yet. He called Bill de Blasios. The mayor's Announcement and opinion and said he's going to try to coordinate with other governors of states in the surrounding area and other school systems to determine just what to do about the schools but really an open question now as to what's going to happen. Because their former order went out from the from the mayor and the governor then immediately countermanded. It's a huge huge development This is the largest school district New York City in the country. But widen the view. Evan for us a little bit to how many states have already closed their schools for the remainder of the academic year. What'S THE PLAN TO. Help kids. A lot of kids depend on school meals every day especially in the urban areas the poor areas. Will they be getting those deals? Well sure into that question is yes They will as much as they possibly. Can you know one interesting things about this period of time? Is We've learned a lot more but the roles at schools play outside of academics. And you see here in New York City. For example this there are four hundred meal delivery a meal availability sights set up by the school system. And they're not just for students who would usually get meals for any new yorker who wants them can get three meals a day That's what's going on across the country In where you're dealing with the future of school closures right now. Twenty one states and three US territories and said schools remained closed at the end of the year and meals and those things will continue as long as they can through that time wolf. All right of thank you. I've been mcmorris Salvatore in New York City for us as of this morning. Michigan is now under one of the country's most aggressive stay at home orders. The new order bans residents from travelling to vacation home for example or or from visiting the home of a neighbor or a relative Michigan's governor sites. These numbers to justify the new harsher travel restrictions. More than twenty three thousand confirmed corona virus cases in Michigan. Where then thirteen hundred day? Cnn's Ryan Young is joining us from Detroit. Right now Ryan Detroit. Certainly one of this country's hot spots for the virus right now. What's the latest where you are? Well absolutely wolf. We're talking to people today and they absolutely said well. How could anyone enforce? This is supposed to stop people from going over to their neighbor's house to even watch TV. There's a WHO's going to know but one of the things that does stand out about this. If you have a sick relative you can visit them. But you can't buy paint from the store so there's sort of a big conversation about what should people do what they shouldn't do but one thing I will tell you. This is more about people than it is about numbers. We actually talked to one family that had to make the difficult decision to figure out exactly who could attend the funeral. Anyone like this and he did just know this redone bence that we could these short cell phone videos of her husband. Ray Shaun's funeral with the only way Marini Smith could see it from quarantine. His name is racial this. She hasn't left her house since testing positive for the same virus that killed him to leave your alone but I just feel like he was there for everybody after like he was along like nobody was able to beat him. I had to make an executive decision to keep myself from her daughter home. We don't WanNa to go to another funeral in the last three weeks. Marie says she her father and her brother have all tested. Positive for cove in one thousand nine hundred stars is playing flu license. Domes idea was Ronan. Nothing like that just feels ago. My husband his arm. Centrum with strick social distancing rules in place. Their trip to the hospital March sixteenth would be the last time she saw him sitting in a car. Fleet way YOU'RE GONNA. You're busy their next conversation. Alaska gesture from worried nurse so she used a personal phone or facetime this which was really nice so she let us speak with them and I told him as scared and he say yeah. Everybody knows no. He's not for Vin thing but he was very very scared just days. After arriving at the hospital he was gone. Eight passed away. The speed of the deadly and contagious corona virus is leaving families like the Smith holding unexpected and under attended funerals at a frightening pace. It's very very challenging at major floors funeral home in Detroit. No more than ten immediate family members can pay their respects person just receiving so many death calls at once. You know this week has been one of the most over women we I've ever had in my career family for those still waiting to say their last goodbyes. When this is all over we're going somewhere along to scream and cry each other. Go Visit Day Wolf. We've talked to many families across this area who are dealing with these difficult times. Also tell you that look. Easter is a time where people like to come together and you can remember for yourself like families getting together gathering and saying prayer. But that's all being broken up right now and I can tell you. Officials are hoping that tomorrow people will stay inside and avoid each other talking to the funeral home director. He says he's getting multiple families with multiple family members who are losing their lives to this virus. Yeah so so heartbreaking Ryan Young Thanks for that. Report or Ryan Young in Detroit. Meanwhile in the midst of a corona virus pandemic that has cost more than twenty thousand American lives already the president then some allies. They're focusing in on reopening the economy just a couple of weeks ago. The president said this we cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself. We have to open our country because that causes problems in my opinion could be far bigger problems. But what exactly is the right time to reopen the country? I'll ask the former. Us Surgeon General. Dr Vivek Murthy when we come back. You're about to seize your kilo. Neil like you've never seen him before. This is show about my life just because I have more than the average guy doesn't mean I'm better than the average sack like all new Thursdays at nine on. Tnt during a corona virus taskforce briefing yesterday. President Trump said he will have to make the biggest decision of this presidency talking about Wendy. Us economy will reopen and win. Americans can go back to work. Watch this I'm going to have to make a decision and I only hope to God that it's the right decision but I would say without question. It's the biggest decision I've ever had to make you say sir what metrics you will use to make that decision. The metrics right here. That's my metrix. That's all I can do. I can listen to thirty five people at the end. I've gotTa make a decision joining us now. The former surgeon general of the United States under President Obama Dr Vivid Murthy. Dr Murphy is also the author of together. The healing power of human connection in the sometimes lonely world. Dr Thanks so much for joining us so the president has hesitated to publicly offer a specific date to reopen the country after you're forced to back off his original Easter Sunday timetable. But internally we're learning officials are pushing to do so by next month maybe as early as. May I you think America is ready for that? I think everybody wants the country to reopen as quickly as possible. But it's got to be safe and I think it's very unlikely that by May I will be able to open up the entire country. The truth is that we need to see several critical things in place before. We make a decision to relax the physical distancing measures. We've asked people they take so in. Addition is seeing the number of new infections Dramatically decrease each day. There are also that three Ts. I think of them testing tracing and treatment that we need to ensure that we have in place. If you think about those three right now we are testing less than one hundred and fifty thousand people a day. We need to be doing at least four or five times that amount if not more in terms of tracing. We still don't have a clear plan. That's been articulated yet for how we're going to ensure that if an infection crops up in any state that we have the ability to trace context and also quarantine people effectively. Some states are feeling quite comfortable doing that but others are not and we know that an infection spreads one place could spread everywhere and finally we treatment. We have to be prepared that there could be a second surge which means that we need to ensure that our hospitals had the materials and supplies that they need to be able to handle a new surge of patients. Until we we have those three elements met testing tracing intriguing. It's not safe to open the country back up. Well how do you make sure that there isn't going to be a second wave of infections? Well we may not be able to entirely prevent a second wayball but what we can do is try to tamp down. How big that way will be and how long it will last. And that's where the preparation really comes in and right now when I talk to healthcare workers around the country and hear from them about their ongoing struggles with protective equipment and masks and their ongoing trouble getting testing done in an inefficient manner. They're starting to lose faith that we're going to be able to get a handle on. This and I think one suggestion I would have to. The federal government is if we really want to restore people's fate and ensure that people feel confident that we're GonNa get through this. They need to lay out a clear. Pathway for how we're going to achieve our goals on testing tracing and treatment capacity right. Now what we're hearing is that we've shipped millions of masks. Were hearing the testing is ramping up and those are good. But we're not hearing how where we need to go. How many masks do we need for? The whole country testing capacity. Should we be at our all fifty states in a place where they can test in quarantine appropriately until we get more concrete and more transparent on that? Plan the implementation. I don't think people are going to feel comfortable that we're ready. Let's talk about testing for a moment. I want to get your reaction Dr Birthday. Do something else in. The president said this week about testing. Watch this and we're going to see if we have it you need it. No is a nice thing to do. Yes we're talking about. Three hundred and twenty five million people And that's not GonNa happen as you can imagine and Nope it would never happen with anyone else either. Other countries do it but they do it in a limited forum. We'll probably be the leader of the pack. Police are so the president can see to. The testing is not going to happen. But how important is testing when it comes to reopening the country? Hopefully as you point out we all wanted to reopen sooner rather than later. But it's got to be safe. That's right well. Testing it turns out is is a central part of this strategy. And the reason is that you think about the testing capacity like our is. It's what allows us to see what's happening. And if we don't have the ability to test we will encounter what we did a month and change. Your which is a disease will be potentially spreading again under our noses. But we won't know it until it's already spread quite far so that's why we need testing to be able to detect a new disease if it crops up and then we have to be able to jump on it and contain it. That's where the tracing and quarantine come in the other. Utility of testing here is also depending on how extensively we're able to develop and study and scale antibody testing. We may be able to develop tools that help us quote unquote clear people to be safer to come to work where to care for the elderly so turns out testing capacities the essential when you look at other countries that have started to open up at the heart of their strategy has been rapidly scaling up testing until we do that. It will not be safe and we're going to be putting ourselves at risk for another resurgence of cove in nineteen infections. And we of course know how quickly this corona virus has spread. You look at the numbers on the side of the screen Half a million total cases here in the United States right not confirmed corona virus cases more than twenty thousand confirmed corona virus deaths in the United States. We did some checking a month ago. On March Twelfth there were twelve hundred seventy four cases thirty eight deaths in the United States. You see how it's exploded within a month alone Dr Murphy. Thank you so much for joining us as usual. Thank you so much will the question on. Everyone's mind right now. So what's next the former? Us Health and Human Services Secretary oversaw. The Obama Administration's response to the swine. Flu Pandemic joins US live to discuss. As the corona virus pandemic has four schools across the country to close teachers are scrambling to get their curriculum and their students. Online I'm poppy harlow in this week on boss files I talked to. Two leaders are supporting those teachers students and their parents during this crisis Russia Johnny the founder and CEO of girls who code and Joe Holland the CEO of teachers pay teachers. They talk to me about how their organizations are working to help the most vulnerable students during this uncertain time. You can listen to the latest episode of Boss Files. Wherever you get your podcasts. Are you some good news today? For our country from the Internal Revenue Service the IRS. Now says it has started sending out the first stimulus payments the taxpayers back accounts. Today the agency says it will continue issuing the payments direct deposit as fast as possible. The payments are part of the stimulus package passed in March sending checks mailing checks. That's going to take a bit longer. According to the IRS meanwhile in April of two thousand nine when the Obama administration was barely four months old the World Health Organization then declared a public health emergency of international concern. H One n one swine. Flu had emerged in the US and was spreading quickly. It ultimately infected an estimated sixty thousand people in the United States. Kathleen Sibelius was then the secretary of Health and Human Services. That's when the pandemic broke out. She's joining us. Now Secretary Sibelius. Thanks so much for joining us. So what are some of the lessons you would apply from that pandemic to what we're all facing? Now it's good to be with you. Sixty one million people were affected ultimately with a twenty one. We didn't have a vaccine same situation. We're facing now and people were really scare and same situation. So our president at that time said we have to follow the science. What the science tells us is the guidance we will follow up about closing schools about people. Shutting down workplace is. Tell people what you know what you don't know and tell them over and over again and speak with one voice. President Obama felt that the federal government had unique authorities in hours and mobilize those hours to clear information clear directives. We worked hard on a vaccine. We were lucky because it was a strain of the flu so we could get a vaccine more quickly but we had to convince people. I get a flu shot. And then to get the additional vaccine for the H One n one on top of that and it. It ended up being a very successful program. We lost at fortunately about twelve thousand. Five hundred people most of whom were older and had underlying health conditions but it was a mortality rate lower than the average low season but still way too many lives were lost but the federal government has to have a role in critical role in supplies in guidance in following the science in bringing the whole country along and in having some installed Mary outreach and compassion for the thousands of Americans who not only have lost their livelihood but thousands more who have lost their lives. We're in a very difficult situation indeed. I know you've been very critical of the mixed message. Incoming out of the trump administration. What impact does that have well? I think it's very difficult. I'm here in a state right in the heartland on Hanza send I thank God? Every day? We have a governor who took early steps shutting down schools the first in the country making it very clear with her very confident secretary of health. What the guidelines would be what the rules would be what we're seeing politics. Play as as some of the Republican legislators traumatic curry favor with the White House where they're trying to suggest that maybe this is overreach. It's a nanny state. We don't need to follow these guidelines. In fact we have a supreme court. You had extraordinary hearing this morning To deal with whether or not the executive order on no more than ten people gathering at a time should deal with church services That's a real political football but hopefully Kansas are wise enough and smart enough to follow that governor and follow the health and Human Services Secretary in Army surgeon who is giving very clear guidelines. I think it's it's very difficult. When the President gives very mixed messages you know full churches on Easter Sunday. Were pulling back from that this. Cdc says everybody should where a mass when you're in a public space can't more than six feet apart. The President says from the audience. I don't tend to wear masks so Again we're surrounded by states. Who have chosen not to have a stay at home order. Distance in place a map puts everybody at risk. You speak with Special Authority. Because you're also the former governor of Kansas Kathleen bilious. Thanks so much for joining us. Appreciate it very much thank you. As countries around the world take extraordinary measures to protect their citizens and try to stop the spread of the corona virus. One world leader is seizing the moment and making a power grab. We'll update you on that when we come back. I'm Tony Shibani and I'm Aubrey Edwards. And we've got brandy roads on eighty w unrestricted dusty was the first to tell cody. Hey there's this new girl she's really cool. You should check her out Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and. It was right over his head. Listen and subscribe to a w unrestricted for free. Wherever you get your podcasts with countries around the world virtual lockdowns as a result of the corona virus. Many officials are taking extreme measures right now to ensure citizens follow orders to stay at home and stop the spread of the virus but the leader of one European countries now using the moment to seize more power at to simply crush dissent or an international diplomatic editor. Nick Robertson has more back. We've made the following decisions. We are prolonging the duration of the lockdown indefinitely on Thursday Hungary's prime minister claiming success slowing corona virus announced the current lockdown to last indefinitely that Jewish last week. He wants sweeping powers to rule by decree without a time limit. I mean that struck fear into the hearts of many in Hungary where his increasingly autocratic leadership can effectively look up journalists. Threaten the rights of minorities. Nobody should exert unlimited power limited time power always has to have its balance and checks and balances has to persist even in the most difficult situations. All bans history with the European Union is troubled. He doesn't share democratic values yet. Their official response to his power grab. Who's being only verbal? Emergency measures cannot come at expensive for fundamental principles and values set out in the treaties. Hungary's answer we're doing nothing wrong. The law says very clearly that we can make decrees only in accordance with protecting the country the people and economy from the challenges related to the virus and we definitely have to make such kind of decisions but we are not the only one all countries in the road I guess made that the EU could up their game trigger article. Seven one claimed that hungry is in serious breach of E. U. Values. It's an action. That could result in the suspension of some of Hungary's membership rights. But for now the biggest challenge is keeping unity under the economic pressures of the Pandemic Auburn knees e you funding for his critics. Say The e you needs to get tough. Be Very vigilant about what's happened. What happens with those who are in power when democracy backslinding starts? It's very hard to stop it. The road is very slippery and we hung area ends are going in that direction as of now. Hungry isn't the only country where democracy risks being a victim of the pandemic in Poland. The ruling Nationalist Party is pushing through presidential elections next month in the hope of getting their candidate a whim Europe and its values of being tested just as its cohesion is at its weakest. Nic Robertson C. N. N. LONDON MIC. Thank you as the corona virus pandemic has swept across the nation of the federal government has faltered in its response a former governor and a retired. Us Army General. Both say it's now up to local governments to find a solution to the problems. They're facing they'll both join me when we come back. Just don't know if I'm ready to face the world on my own Tracy Morgan. His referendum edging Tiffany Haddish's back but we support one another. Everything's GonNa be okay the last. Oh Gee own new Tuesdays at ten thirty nine thirty central on TBS. The battle is clearly on a guest. Corona virus at my next two guests agree We can't simply depends on the federal government. We need leaders and state and local governments to cooperate to give us the best chance fighting and winning in an op. Ed from CNN. Dot Com. The former. Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe and retired. Us Army General Stanley McChrystal. Right this quote. Federal level solutions are not going to come out of nowhere to save us. The right solution won't look the same in every state and every city. The war will be won by winning each local battle but local battles. Don't have to be one alone. Joining us now Governor. Mcauliffe and General Stanley McChrystal guys. Thanks very much for joining us. General McChrystal you say there are lessons from your fight against Al Qaeda in Iraq that apply here as well explain what you mean where our wealth in two thousand and three when al Qaeda in Iraq emerged. They were different than anything we've seen. Before they were fast. Moving they were viral. They were lethal in reality. Very much. Like Cova. Nineteen we had to take a different approach where we distributed are forced but we synchronized our effort every day and that was obviously successful operation at that time governor. You say your experience during the break taught you the value of communications how significant it is how critical. This explain how well let me. Just say when I dealt with the crisis the Obama White House and the CDC immediately contact us when they thought that this pandemic could come to the United States of America and immediately we got on the phone with the White House in the CDC. And I gotta say they were very helpful. I immediately stood up an incident command. I brought all my health professionals. All of us together and said we're going to deal with this. We're going to tackle this together. I went and took over to hospitals to build a bowl of center so that people could be designated made sure we have all of equipment and then most importantly I worked with then governor o'malley in Mayor Graham of DC in every remade every coordination. We did we did is one unit but we worked very closely with the federal government. I can't tell you how ordinary us all of our states are unique but they truly were our partner in today unfortunately here many different guidelines coming out at CDC the same health professionals. That I work with the bill. The see the incident response for Pola. They're now saying today that they're not getting directions air. We're in a lot of their information from the Cable News. You Know General McChrystal there clearly some obvious times where the goals of the politicians in the Pentagon for example do not match governors may be experiencing that pressure that. You obviously a retired four-star general. Know all too well as the White House pushes to reopen the country. Maybe maybe some of the states are really ready to do that. What's your advice to governors? Caught in this crossfire right now. I think the first thing is they need to be connected to each other. They need to pass information past. The lessons learned strengthen each other a little bit. Sometimes you can feel pretty isolated even as a leader of a large state or organization build a community and I believe that they have the friendships there but bill that so that they can go back to the Federal Government. Make a case that has government call. Olive says needs to be customized for each location but needs to be informed by all locations needs to be coordinated so at the end of the day is a complete response to the threat. That's so significant government. Call if you say. We can't win this fight with governors for example bidding against each other for critically needed supplies. Instead you say we need a network that connects them to make informed cross-border decisions. Does that kind of Network Exist? Well it certainly should exist and we recommend and I recommended in the bed. Fema WITH THE NJ. One entity should've taken over total control of buying the ventilators by the personal protective gear. Getting the mass one entity federal government with the states. So we don't have is you see. People are scalping prices. Today states are competing you just read in Colorado. The governor went out and got five hundred ventilators. The famous came in and talked the five hundred from Colorado. And then the president tweets out that. I'll give you a hundred back on the advice of Cory Gardner the Senator. Who's wanted for reelection? This is a political pandemic unfortunately the praises bringing politics in personal issues into it but we need a coordination. We can't have states competing against one another bids the price up in in. We're in a very serious situation Today the president's tweeting out the dramatic Fox TV. Well why is he sitting around watching cable? I spend my day talking to people who don't have mass. I talked to Lisa Honors Today. The head of asked me what people his union members called today. Thirty five year old man is using scotch tape to hold mass together. People's lives are in jeopardy. This is the greatest nation on her. We need to coordinate. All of us need to come together and we need to deal with this. Truly is the war that we're fighting general McChrystal. Obviously there were mistakes. Serious mistakes made in January February march. But let's look ahead. What needs to be done now. The president were to call you and say what do you think we need to do right away. What would you say? Well I think the first thing is established the kind of network that governor McAuliffe and I recommended something that is live that passes information in real time that allows you to understand the situation because the viruses a fast moving developing enemy. It goes for gaps and seams because it's by definition opportunistic. So get an accurate picture. Be Able to allocate resources move expertise. Apply lessons learn in a real time basis. You Think Governor McAuliffe That important lessons are being learned right now. If there is a second way for example of the corona virus pandemic in August or September or. God forbid there's a new virus that comes along down the road. Are we learning important lessons? I certainly hope we are in the next time this occurs. The federal government needs to get more active. We need to get information immediately. We wasted seven eight nine weeks or states could have been preparing but the thing that's cleared today when you talk to be around the country today testing is insufficient so we cannot open up this country until people being adequately tested intesting. It's very insufficient around the country. I can tell you here in Virginia people today don't know how to get a task until we deal with that so. I hope we're learning lesson but we got a long way to go. We can do this. But we've got a coordinate. We need to work together. The governors need to work with the federal gun mcnabb competing not playing politics working together for the good of our citizens in we've got to put the politics get out of it. The president needs to lead on this with the fifty governors to come in together. And say we're going to act one unit. We're going to be governor Governor mccalla General McChrystal guys. Thanks very much. Thanks for writing that OP. Ed as well coming up. We're going to take you inside. One of the so-called surge hospitals being built across California right now to only care for patients with corona virus. Much more of our special right after this.
Liberal Anti-Americanism is on the Rise # 1015
"She's ready to hear the truth about america on a show that's not immune to the facts with your host dan bongino dan bongino show i mean i really saw that today for the show but that's all right i will make it happen as i always do i'll get into that a little later producer joe how're you today i'm doing good dan i'm really doing well thank you i'm not i'm yeah i'm not good today so i got a lot to cover today and it's good when i'm not good because this week it's been full of stupid liberal stories that could under my skin and really pissed me off it'd be candid and now nike jumps on the train sorry about the recordings sketch we could probably tell we had a record some of this stuff a little early do some traveling holiday but it doesn't matter that content they're still gonna be frosty undermined when i'm done i wanna get the nike i wanna get to the media continuing to promote false narratives about the border crisis you don't matter what there is no amount of misinformation you presented to the media and prove to them that what they're saying is false the mail just continue using you're you're not gonna believe this story when i get to it after i just read these imbeciles nike for the dumbest media a pr plant in corporate america alright having said that today's show brought to you by helix sleep helixsleep makes the finest mattresses out there love helixsleep we have two of my house helixsleep here's what makes them different don't get some just run of the mill mattress customized to you helixsleep you take a two minute quiz they'll customize a mattress to your body type what do you like side sleeping you a hot sleeper like a plush or firm bed with helix there's no more guesswork no compromising helixsleep is rated number one new moreau who know by g q and wired magazine cnn calls it the most comfortable mattress i've ever slept just go to helixsleep dot com slash dan take their two minute quiz they'll match it to you a customized mattress is the best sleep 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quarterback who's protest thing who knows what was protest thing everything from social justice police officers you see the change of story every two weeks 'em was a supporter of the cuban regime of you know the tow tally in a totalitarian communist cuban regime calling capitol most you know we was was a quarterback a new he he quarterback for the san francisco forty niners had one good season a couple of terrible seasons after that was let go for disrespecting the national anthem claiming the support social justice by wearing socks depicting police officers as pigs so from the new york post their stories real focus is not the babylon be onion collin capper nick reportedly convinced nike so paul flag themed sneakers here's the story nike he had eight seeker a sneaker line that on the back of it had the betsy ross flag the thirteen colonies many of you familiar with it if you seen the picture calling capper nick deemed the uss flag the betsy ross ross like offensive and according to this story got nike to pull the sneakers okay now it'd be very easy for me again to shred nike nike is one of the dumbest companies in america now i know many of the liberals listening will say well you know nike stock prices up their sales were up you are correct i am not suggesting some boycott i don't know if it damage the company or not i'm simply suggesting to you that in no business school you will go to i mean i went to business school i don't tell my educational bona fides 'cause i hate people who do that but i'm not speaking here with four tonight what the business school myself at penn state i graduated i'm pretty familiar with what they teach on these curriculums there right even some of the left leaning business schools out there joe a business strategy is not alienate potentially half of you're custard a customer base in the entire country now nike by hiring capper nick did that i have nike products i might have sneakers insurance i bought before the capper nick disaster i you know i didn't burn a marine dome and bury the mini or whatever i will not buy nike any more matter of fact one of my younger daughter is joked about that one of my wife only one youngest daughter she went to go get some tweets were soccer's is funny joke and someone picked out a nike things someone in the family and she said no we can't buy these daddy said no good job by my daughter a we will not buy nike anymore i'm not telling you what to do i'm not organizing some global boycott you make your own buying decisions i'm just telling you nike seems to be influenced by guy who can't stand the cops can't stand america for what it stands for as evidence by his ability the show disrespect towards he american flag that's nike's guy but there's a couple of take away from this story you might have missed that a rather fascinating first let me point out the story by ricochet by john gabriel i follow on twitter rather interesting account gabriel has this piece up and you know of course this is all gonna have eight price doug ducey the governor of arizona a struck back here here's the story ricky shea nike pulled the uss flex you arizona might pull the plug on the new night play good for you here's from the peace excellent job by god arizona governor doug ducey listen i hate tax benefits for individual company says they are you know what i'm talking about joe yeah when they bring they bring a company into his state and they get specific tax benefits will give you this kind of right up that kind of know folks we shouldn't be doing that anywhere just having nice low fare flat tax code and you're statement so nike is getting from the story one million dollars in permit fees are they were getting them refunded are getting the wave to build this factory in arizona this is a two for for us arizona and save their tax money in their tax benefits at nike they get to make a stand on nike which doesn't seem to care about american patriots but they care mostly about offending american patriots a here's a here's from the peace nike's made a decision this is from doug ducey and now we're making hours i've ordered arizona commerce authority which you're all financial incentive dollars under their discretion at the state which providing for the company to locate here good job arizona's economy is doing just fine without night beat it sorry they don't need nike they're not that kind of company patios my terrible yeah seriously now secondly it case you think wow you know nice he's just taking a principal on cable you know they believe represent yeah i mean we already know but i'm just trying to set up liberals listening what's the natural flowing liberal counterattack from this so the liberal counterattack is always obvious well you know nike has the right to free speech of course they do i'm not attacking their right to say what they want is long as it's not a violation of usa nike could say do whatever they want that's not what i'm saying matter of fact i'm telling you wanna buy nike by nike i'm not but i'm not you know i'm not organizing some global boycott of nike do what you want i don't i don't i don't prescribe corporate censorship of their speech i'm simply suggesting to you this is dumb bad business strategy in the long run maybe have some short term benefits among woke crowd but the alien that you're customers they get older i'm gonna start to realize how dumb decision this way but you may say well this is a principled stand nike's taking a stand against governments and the united states and whatever it may be i mean i'm trying to think of liberals you know it's hard for me to dump a few i q points points and think like liberals think in many cases but you know they're taking a stand against organized government in and you're standing for freedom oh they are because here's a nike press release hat tip keith urban on twitter who pointed this out by the way no keith who's gonna do some some work with him the past he pointed this out news that and i left the senate the top off you look at youtube dot com slash bongino on our account you can see this you could watch the video but i'll describe to you i screen shotted this off my phone this is from news dot night dot com i love this in their hat tip keith urban who found this year of the pig chinese new year collection brings together twelve years of nudge so let me get this straight just case you missed this folks nike's perfectly fine with pulling me american flags sneaker line because it offends the delicate sensibilities of anti american activists calling capper nick right right but they're perfectly okay hey we're celebrating the chinese new year year of the pig i'm not making this up this is news dot com yeah they're perfectly okay with celebrating the year of the pig and the chinese new year in some commemoration of the communist totalitarian leaders of china running the largest surveillance police state in the world no problem there there hey okay with that this is night folks phil knight would be i believe horrified at what's happened to this company to unbelievable these guys suck at the bottom line no you know they do that no i i i i don't buy it i don't buy their stuff anymore now i'm a loyal consumer their products for many years that again i have a pair of sneakers now some of you listen to my show see me in the gym they're getting worn out i'm gonna be replaced soon but they're not gonna be replaced with another set a nice i could tell you that you know it just might try i refused to do this stuff anymore play games and stuff where it's it's fashionable now to crap all over america caters bullcrap remember get woke go broke right but then all of a sudden you get a crap all over america about catering to the the the chinese totalitarian government did it's total complete disgrace nice should be embarrassed humiliated themselves repeatedly what i i mean it's one thing they cater the capper nick and higher mitts and entirely other different all a line of shoes would be american flag on it that's just embarrassing bingo embarrassingly stupid all right again i wake up every morning with a you know what do i do today the more liberal nonsense they just can't control themselves the media it is unbelievable joe i pointed out to you but as a week ago two weeks ago repeatedly how the media continues to use pictures to highlight the border crisis they said wasn't a crisis but they're now saying is a crisis to make the trump administration look at china following the idea just weeks ago we play the montage taj on yesterday's show the media just weeks ago in months ago was claiming you you heard the montage if you listen to yesterday's show now please go back and listen to a little over a minute of the media suggesting when it was politically advantageous for them that there is no crisis on the border they were using it to attack trump saying he's exaggerating the crisis at the border get his wall built that one the crisis at the border which is always a crisis started making the evening news because the situation became entirely untenable with tens of thousands of people a week pouring into the united states illegally between ports of entry all of a sudden the media found another rankle now instead of attacking trump for saying there's a crisis attack trump for the crisis you now acknowledge if this is making your head spin a reagan exorcist style remember that one joe knowing that you might not even possible by the way i mean that was kind of an exaggeration but i don't think william peter blatty intended that but if this is making your head it's supposed to media there's no crisis trump's exaggerating than this crisis gets out of control and the media can't control the media there's a crisis that is trump's fault this is how dumb the media is now one of the ways now they're highlighting the crisis they said wasn't the crisis but it's now a crisis because they think it's a crisis and they could make a crisis at of the trump presidency is by using photos continuously that look really awful and using these photos suggests the trump administration's fall think i'm wrong okay let's go to this tweet from the hill incredible they held which sometimes published some good stuff from john solomon a challenge this great work and then i guess they're lefties decided they were gonna do this at the hill their twitter account democrat lawmakers pay pence visit the texas migrant facility again a horrible photo of of kids sleeping on the floor right behind this a chain link fence ladies and gentlemen when was that photo taken that phone always taking him yesterday last week obscene see last year option b twenty four team i would guess i don't have to guess because i know that picture taken in twenty fourteen being used again to pillory and hammer these trump administration for h photo that happened under the prior administration i mean i get it the hills some of you a lefty writers are looking at hammer these guys but seriously can you at least get your facts straight that is not the facility facility excuse me you're talking about in the tweet on the visit patties eight facility from twenty fourteen under the obama administration now the second tweet it gets the oh it's not just one here we go again the hill again i kept the dates at the bottom seven one twenty nineteen at the hill well girl says she slept on the floor at a border patrol facility and others were locked up for crying with a photo of a bunch of people end up behind a chain link fence of his were assuming they're migrants under aluminum foil blankets right now as alexander van that's pointed out by putting up original photo it's kind of small the tax but i'll read it for you here is the file voter file listen up joe in this one day june eighteenth twenty four team file photo two young girls watch the world cup soccer match on the tv it goes on her ladies and gentlemen this is eight twenty fourteen photo gosh to the hill can you please get your act together at least put a note underneath these photos that these are not indicative of current conditions can you do basic journalism again i love a lot of people the hills joe conscious does great work john solomon does great work i get it they tried a percent both sides and i'm not piling on i'm asking you to do basic journalism don't you think it's fair to put at the bottom of a note that these are conditions reminiscent of the prior presidential administration any prior time not the present day how is that power i mean you i'm just asking you to do basic journalism the photos you're putting out there are photos of eight prior administrations policies they are not photos of what's going on currently under the trump ministration where he just got billions of dollars to improve the conditions in these facilities i saw another three nothing go on about this is i have a lot to get to tonight tipping newsday but there's a tweet on my firm guy showing any shower facility saying look at these showers that the you know the migrants are forced a shower ladies and gentlemen i know one suggesting this is the ritz carlton nobody but if you enter the country illegally in violation of outlaws what were you expecting he irony of this show is i saw a friend of mine he tweeted out a john cardillo tweeted out you know when he was a cop cop in new york mhm he said gosh the the showers i used in the police academy were ten times worse i remember those folks it was pretty horrendous it was like a cattle call we had something like fifteen hundred recruits in are police academy class so they work in chefs so when you did pt you take a shower after withdrawal sweaty sweaty and the new york summer running down around the streets of new york you take a shower they wouldn't mind you up to three hundred people at a time where these nasty like mold infested showers at your police academy in the middle of manhattan and you you didn't think anything of joe you walked in what you're soapy shambhu yeah i'd like you know whatever yet that thirty forty seconds and so all right move along and that was just the way it was keep in mind we were the law enforcers that the people who broke the law and yet this video seo twitter's of a shower you're like well what's wrong with the shower i don't understand what mean what were you expecting big days in you broke the law were doing the best we can to facilitate humane conditions under an unprecedented wave of illegal migrants coming to the country in violation of law what were you expecting smith similar linski catered meals gold plated shower nozzles multiple showerheads with doug dubs so i mean what were you expecting now so that's all i mean it's really sad the media can't tell the truth here blaming us blaming us united states government well liberal simultaneously government has all the answers were spending four trillion dollars a year the united states government the government can't figure out how to use them and immigration crisis by the government i'm not blaming trump i'm blaming the government the government is judicial branch the legislative branch is well rhinos in bed democrats is well they can't figure out how to fix this problem and you get people like ails see and these other lives running out there on a bigger government suggesting if we spend more money they'll fix the problem they cause yeah okay sure nice work how i am a little bit salty today yeah you're getting me that way to man i know that song is what it is we had some equipment issues this morning to which are contributing to my general saltiness i hope you all have a good wonderful independence day tomorrow's i said we are had taken her first vacation they ever joe deserves it we you know we've been around show doesn't get any vacation should we work every single weekday for the last five years together show so yeah which i'm always proud of that's amazing we've we've done the thousand fifteen shows already 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could subscribe to my email list which i implore you to do and i will send these right to you email box every morning wants van buren box i promise ladies and gentlemen this points out something critical a muller's going to be testifying on july seventeenth and as i've said repeatedly the muller report ladies and gentlemen i feel sorry for you if you believe the muller reports say legitimate investigatory document it is not the muller report is they four hundred page opinion piece written in eight very deceptive deceptive slimy slithery kinda sneaky way to make you believe that the trump team committed crimes that did not in fact exist how do they do that the best example of this what that felt in calls and i'm gonna steal turnabout footnoted of course i don't steal anything but a the best example of what he calls instant you endo insinuations in in you window in the muller report i have to give you an analogy described the muller report does cause it'll make more sense as we talk about some of the snippets from this piece if i wouldn't write a report about a bank robbery joe armacost allegedly gonna add this to his list of crimes allegedly committed a bank robbery in miami investigator like bob muller an andy weissman on his lieutenant his democrat lieutenant and if i wanted to paint joe is a bad guy even though i knew joe didn't rob the bank what i do is i could write a report an in that report show i could make event center seemingly innocuous mhm see i see seemingly innocuous 'cause i could make them seem an implied you are guilty without ever charging it yes follow me here and if joe you're owning some bus stop me if this gets confusing yes so what muller wants to do the trump is saying what i went through the joe i can't charged with a crime 'cause i know joe then robert back but i wanna destroy joe's reputation publicly and give information for investigators to keep going and investigate show in the future but i don't have the guts to charge joe what 'cause if i charge him and i know he doesn't commit crime one i'll be guilty of of legal malpractice but secondly the case will be left out of court and i'll be humiliate now muller hates trump weisman hates trump they wanted to write a report that would damage trump's reputation without charging urging him with anything so what they did is what i'll do against joe all right okay so i know joe goes to bank of america somewhere in arnold where he lives in maryland well i don't know that but i'm guessing right now so joe i write a report saying that the respect we know the banquet savers rob on a on august second of last year so in august second of last year i write a report saying joe got in his car on august second at nine o'clock in the morning a we had a gps tracking of joe's car joe is in front of the bank of america at this point joe parked in the facility bank of america the bankers robbed at ten o'clock we know joe is in the area ten o'clock joe one home later that night later that night we saw joe getting out of the car joe had a a a ball in his pocket he wasn't and happy to see people it was in fact money in his wallet we know joe had an extra large wad of cash that day we know joe's neighbor reported coming by the help him out the following day with an electric job in the house joe gave the the neighbor neighbor a hundred dollar tip a cash differ helping him a you get what you got going on and on you get what i'm doing here right yeah i'm painting a picture keep in mind i know joe in rob the bank but what i'm doing and what muller getting the muller report is included ace ace set set of of facts things we know what i just told you about your fast yeah joe did get a new car joe did that money and joe did give the neighbor a hundred dollar tip the next day and joe was near the bank of america and arnold yes those are facts just like it's a fact that manafort had some contact with kalinic that popadopoulos met with downer but notice the framing of the facts and now we find out later other sets a fax left out of my report on joe that the reason joe near bank of america's 'cause there's any tm across the street at south sweetshop joe went over there to be eight tm picked up an ice cream got some money that's why bones in his pocket going back we also find out that joe guy that poses package he had a good week you got a bonus that his job in whatever it may be any felt like because the neighbor helped him out a lot that he owed him so we gave him a hundred bucks rollers pastel now all of a sudden the story i told you about joe that made it seem like he robbed the bank is an innocent story about joe going into sweetshop shop the get ice cream and taking care of his name that is what muller did there were a couple of examples in this piece i wanna pay for you that just decimate this muller report for doing this through in send you window man up while from firm the piece which is important yeah it talks about papadopoulos here's how they framed the pop annapolis meeting in the muller report papa dopoulos suggested to a representative of a foreign government that the trump campaign had received indications cations from the russian government but it could assist the campaign through the duty anonymous release of information that would be damaging to hillary clinton oh all by gosh popadopoulos suggesting to a foreign government wrap that there's gonna be release of info damaging to hillary my gosh collusion he goes on felt it he says how the should actually reid is popadopoulos said do australian diplomat alexander downer that professor so who had traveled to russia had told them russia had damaging information about hillary and might release it before the election kind of a different story no notice what muller always does muller and weisman listen muller diddy snake job on donald trump i am sorry if you insist on defending this man he had shown in his later career when he took over the molar probe i'm not knocking the guy service to the country i'm telling you is later create shown himself to be snake end if he's listening i hope he hears that what he did was disgraceful it's certainly not representative of the russian government he wasn't maltese professor who allegedly heard about some hillary damaging information which was all over the media stop spinning this stuff now i covered that one yes there's there's no need to beat this thing to death the beat a dead horse on the spin you window but there is another one i've covered in the past that is equally is damaging and look what muller does he sneaks this little wine in at end to pretend that this guy is some devious russian intelligence operator and then watch when he does at the end of this here's the second portion of the felton piece again which is very good more time he says muller even as he puts the dark as possible gloss on the most pedestrian of accident connections muller whistles pass genuinely alarming information get a load of this folks he he sometimes does both in the same paragraph the mahler report includes an extended section of paul manafort's meetings with his sometime russian ukrainian business associate constantine kalinic quote from the muller report folks manafort twice met with kalinic in person during the campaign period ho ho ho ho ho this takes on malign implications given that the special counsel introduced kalinic back on page six with the damning allegation that quote f b i assess this kalinic to have ties to russian intelligence oh shit oh no oh so just to be clear muller lauren is snake team of democrat operatives are painting in their report these dangerous ties between manafort and this guy kalinic who the fbi's thinks it's connected to russian intelligence oh the peace continues but muller just secrete senate dnd end and pretend it's not there check this out goes on just beautifully felton covers this from the piece where told this is again from the real clear investigations we were told that kalinic traveled to new york to see manafort a very dyer development no doubt about highlight this story but then the special counsel finishes the paragraph with a throwaway line throwaway line that quote from the motherboard kalinic then traveled to washington dc where he had free arrange meetings with the state department employees oh you mean obama state department so you mean the same guy you're suggesting before i had contact with manafort and you believe is a russian intel operative then traveled to meet with obama state department where he was a source any any puts it in everett theater hoping you won't notice any of this this guy is unbelievable he doesn't describe in detail is kalinic was the source for obama state department of trusted intelligence source so as long as cohen nick meeting with obama officials that's okay but when he meets with manafort it's painted as he's a russian intel operative accorded v f b i you see what they did there oh to joe is in the vicinity of bank of america yeah we have the videotape of the guy robbing bank of america it's joe joe is going to the south sweetshop next door and get ice cream not the bank now there is a little a crepe store over there by that bank of america the background in arnold owner of you've been down they're biased because ito's pizza john's yeah there there is a yogurt place over there to buy time and suffering a park reminiscent not a good all day folks it's clear what muller's doing he is writing in opinion piece designed exclusively to damage the trump team this is the biggest snake job i have ever seen the fact that muller's reputation he thinks it's gonna be salvaged when history tells the real story this is embarrassing demolish he is really destroyed his entire reputation as a nonpartisan actor i always say weisman didn't destroy his reputation militia 'cause he never had one he's always been a disgrace to the legal process so weisman had no reputation to room muller did this recent barassie they just a couple more quick notes on this he also talks about in their michael cohen and his relationship with his georgie regionalized they always say the name wrong this is those infamous tax where michael cohen trump's soya references these tapes mahler writes about the tapes of course beat insane you window again and this is in the piece but i'm just bringing up quick here this is he in sydney wendo that michael cohen trump's lawyer which somehow working to suppress these devious trump tapes that would have to remember the p tape yeah but raise a lousy goes on to say that hey listen i have no evidence whatsoever these tapes even existed muller conveniently leaves at out of his report but that's how insane you window works that's what they do folks or i've got a lot more to get to report a liberalism can't hack it even liberal states eight another liberal governor collapsing is state people are now running from this guy up like he has leprosy or the players something they this 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liberal haven he he has instituted a number of sanctuary type policies illegal immigration he's been trying to push through eight millionaire's tax these millionaires tax fail everywhere they remember the millionaire's tax they tried and france what did everybody do the millionaires property let france and even the liberals in france of rescinded rescinded the millionaire's tax joe remember the millionaires in maryland how liberal governor o'malley this thing was a disaster they instituted this millionaire's tax joe is that marketing morning radio at the time of morning talk radio remember when people called in about that the millionaire's tax was supposed to raise hundreds of millions of dollars and it actually lost hundreds of millions what happened joe they all left to go in you know that's what happened in maryland i mean i mean genius i mean he opposite of genius i was gonna say something else but will keep it in a progressive liberal governor of new jersey phil murphy decide it'd be a good idea to by the way he's very wealthy themselves so he doesn't care but his money won't affect him decided it'd be a good idea to push for a millionaires tax and he may be saying what's the problem folks new jersey's a liberal state moving far left rapidly just pass it right yeah well where did these friction in life say come from well obviously came from republicans in the state conservatives who thought it was a stupid idea just based on things like facts and data which are always inconvenient for liberals that is the pushback joe is this national review piece we pointed out came from the pushback came from liberals including senate president steve sweeney who is a democrat soap steve sweeney a democrat basically told the new jersey state senate president's no dice governor murphy we ain't doing this millionaire's tax here's a budget without it and you consign it or you could shut down the government but we ain't instituting this baby now what happened because of the many of the new jersey listeners know this because of the fallout from the government shut down during the prior chris christie administration remember the beach photo christie wrists this photograph that photographed on a beach that were shut down during the government shutdown without politically disaster frame there's obviously a little bit of shell shock over shutting the government down so murphy had no choice but to backtrack but my point in this article folks just point out to you that you exit is from these liberal states is going to continue if they don't dial back the radicalism remember national liberal radicalism nicholas and met the presidency level what we saw under the obama administration you have to move out of the country most americans are gonna do that were still the greatest country on earth that's not how it applies state level politics we've covered this story repeatedly how state level far left policies are ruining these states and people are leaving in droves there is a mass exodus going on right now from these states states like florida texas and other states that have no state income tax it's not the taxes are only reason liberalism the only reason i don't wanna be ridiculous but it is they significance swath of the people who were leaving who are just tired of it and if you jersey can't even get one of these tax is passed over eight eight liberal states senate any liberal state house then where else is gonna work answer is it's not isn't interesting line he ended at national review piece which i have in the show notes by the way it's short sweet where you're time again check it out of the show notes that they're having a tough time finding a locating people in polls murphy voters 'cause no one will admit voting for this guy so phil murphy again showing liberalism doesn't work all right speaking of liberals backtracking on their own dopey liberalism i neglected the play this video and yesterday showed kicking myself in the but for just a recap the story a bit donald trump president trump is proposing another bowl tax initiative the tax initiative is gonna be the index capital gains to inflation i explained it yesterday but the gist of it is if you bought stocks sir an asset say ten or twenty years ago for a thousand dollars it is now appreciate it is worth five thousand dollars whatever it may be stocks house gold whatever it may be you have to pay capital gains on that four thousand in profit right donald trump is proposing which is an excellent move indexing that to inflation so if we wipe out inflation you really make four thousand dollars you may be made a thousand that's gonna pay taxes on excellent excellent movie should not have to pay taxes because usa governments monetary policy deflates or is it deflates away the value of your dollar you're dollars worth less by should have to pay taxes on that now chuck schumer and pelosi of already come out again it's a handout to the rich that's the income inequality it's a bernie sanders not of course they're gonna do this now this is a brilliant idea to do this because it's gonna incentivize people to invest backing companies in the united states who agrees what us chucky schumer you may say well then timeout chuck schumer chuck schumer has but you just said chuck schumer is against this yeah he's against it before he was for and against the member they flip flop flip flop flip this is what democrats do here is video of a younger hunger more brown haired chuck schumer before he went out gray when he was a congressman from new york saying how wonderful idea is to index capital gains taxes to inflation check this out if we really want to increase growth there are proposals so that we can do i would be for indexing all capital gains end savings and borrowing and that indeed would shift the balance in this country away from too much consumption too much borrowing towards more savings savings and investment over the long run so it is so easy with these guys it is so that's actually brilliant conomic a brilliant comic announces he's not wrong there shoe congressman schumer at the time is absolutely spot on quick funny chuck schumer story joe would you mind man i'm doing this advance for hillary clinton with the secret service out in the hamptons and she was the first lady and she was running for senate new york's along time ago obviously an up this house chuck schumer's the congressmen at the time he's trying latch onto the hillary clinton but brigades she's very popular at the time so he wants to join us in this motorcade you know is the first lady's motorcades will sign a presidential one but it's a pretty decent size and we got a sly temendous motorcade at the time i believe he had this old beat up ford taurus it was like ross thinning areas so nasty and i remember specifically thinking to myself we can't we had a sweep the car do the whole thing we can't flip this thing the motorcade i should put it in why because i was so convinced the car's gonna break down that if it broke down in front of one of the cars we need it in a motorcade to continue on we stuck behind this guy in a one lane road so i remember saying the d h in at the scene stick his carinthia i don't care what he says he remembers that chuck schumer at the hands of his old busted for doors nosy old days the chuck schumer schumer getting back to my store and they made it very cogent sound conomic analysis index inflation a capital gains to inflation therefore reduce consumption consumption is by its nature of the destruction of wealth is not a bad thing but if you buy a hot dog and eat it you've destroyed the you've consumed soom user wealth not a bad thing necessary to support survival but investment investment is wary country gets wealthier i said that yesterday during yesterday's show where i cited see obama recovery in that form speed sound that direct private investment is that some of the lowest west in american history under the obama administration ladies and gentlemen investment works when you reduce capital gains taxes you free up more money amongst free american citizens to take that money and reinvest it back in american businesses invest stand what is that do it allows the businesses joe to buy more efficient equipment that make better computers that intern filter truly economy that enable workers any economy to work faster and better computers which enables them to produce more stop more healthcare more medicines more cars which enables when they get to work faster which enables them to save more money on gasoline you see this virtuous cycle but this all stems from investment investment not consumption consumption is necessary no doubt but it is investment in american businesses that allows them to operate more efficiently it's called productivity to produce more output from the same inputs or the same output from lesson puts that is essence of wealth investment in business to produce products and services we need it is the products and services that make us wealthy schumer schumer was absolutely right but the humor of today you could debate the schumer of all of course is absolutely wrong now he says it's fine i'm rich he's just making that up you could tell he knows the difference but like most democrats sadly he's just lying and making it up should've played that yesterday i'm i'm kicking myself yeah spaghetti we have so much stuff to get to a you know we've backlogged so much material i wanna make sure i get it off you before the july fourth independence day holiday okay this is one of those i don't do these stories often these lighthearted kind of newsy stories but given that i love in florida i wanna just put this out there story in the new york daily news which frightened the heck out of all of us 'em cockroaches involving a would add poise we can't kill the cockroaches anymore my my emits new york daily news july first twenty nineteen a headline cockroaches a revolving to a point where they'll be nearly impossible to kill they're kind of silly article but it's the point of it is these cockroaches are all the poisons we use the kill them they're becoming immune to these poisons they're not killing him anymore now i only bring this up because i love in florida and the cockroaches down here in florida they're not the german cockroach there those paul metal they called metal on he is a fancy term for really big hairy cockroaches they are the most frightening things on planet earth i mean we have crocs we have alligators down he assumed that crocodiles alligators down here there's probably probably some sharks i don't worry about that i worry about the metal these other nasty things ever darrow volving poisons i'm gonna be genuinely protect listen i have no problem with self deprecating humor but these things are scary looking they're about this big you can hit them with a baseball bat and i swear they have kevlar coated armor unlike laser beams that come out of you right i'm not joking i am slam some of these things so art and they run away and then they turn around and smile at you laugh so the stories about the german cockroaches up in new york please don't tell me the palm meadows down here becoming a mute the poisons to i florida is the greatest state on her move down here but i'm telling its grab you will love it it is i love it the weather's terrific the people in the business environment but you only downside is when you see her first parlamento i guess if you grow up in the south it's not that big of a deal but when you see her first combat it was a northern you're like what is that is that it's not a dinosaur do we have a story about how many times we told you about these pubmed so hopefully the poisons they're still working on the names not so bad it sounds like a pack of cigarettes you know have a pack of all meadows smoke no no no filter i think they do that they're not scare the northerners that 'cause i just don't worry they're not they're just paul meadows become i value they fly to their soccer's fly those suckers fly like why why are bad the southerners right now listen to the show are laughing at me like i know they must be like yankees you yankee you come down you're afraid of the metal brooke hey i do not fake the funk on this show where all the scars and bam baggio material comes out you're gonna hear back on first time i saw one of those i really like what up is that smokable medical no filter by last thursday it's a good one though the stories kind of may be funny but it's not it's not it's the story hasn't angle to it i liked percent you this very serious side of the story in the new york post about a new trigger trigger phillips apparently libs bother now by quote wife guys griping about quote wife guys is beyond say by carol markowitz i have this a story up in the show notes again this is fascinating i'd never heard this before apparently liberals now bothered by men who talk about the wives a lot i do on the show i talk about my wife's you say the biggest part of my life i mean i don't why would you not i don't understand i mean i don't do it to impress you look me i've got this crowd just do it because i live with my wife i love my wife and part of the show but apparently that's a bad thing now joe i'm a quote wife guy now this is kind of insidious though i know what the headlines gotta yeah whatever you know they're not really painting it is a very serious story yeah but there's somebody insidious there's an undercurrent here which i wanna talk because it's important if somebody brought up on the show repeatedly about how this liberal agenda kind of seeps into our psyche now from the piece is interesting partner piece where talk about this two thousand sixteen university of melbourne study found that women on facebook used the word husband a lot while menus why far less frequently christmas has they get seeing that called this troubling okay so number one liberals first bothered by the fact just show you how dopey liberalism is and how they constantly step on each other kind of following on from the chuck schumer story where they take two opposing viewpoints right schumer capital gains tax cuts are great capital gains tax cuts really thick liberals in twenty sixteen found troubling that men don't use the word wife on facebook live they they called it quote troubling so joe not talking about your wife is a bad thing according illiberal scott it might that you're the audience i know you're tracking right and you bet men who don't talk about their wife big big trouble now back to the peace this this liberals again flipping on a dime because of course they can't tell a consistent story now of course liberals find troubling that men talk about their wives too much so if they don't talk about the wise they're bad if they do talk about why they're also bad you're the so called wife guy the just the v wife guy argument why liberals now have a beef with men you talk about their wives too much try to follow the stupidity i know for me it's it's it's just it's it's so dumb like i feel bad you're aptitude you're i have to like knock down neurons and clip off you're dead rights to make you understand this i get the this is dumb but the logic behind the wife guy triggering liberals now is is that they celebrate their wives because their wives do too much work and they feel bad about it so i'm like wait why i don't like to celebrate what you're wife does few because she does things for you that making a richer life and make you and your business and your life and your personal i bet i if you're sitting there were no if this is one of the things that could pay for the cricket i think we should have this is what we should have heard from liberals on his that tip day for the pet is really cool we heard crickets why do we hear we hear now talking about your wife is awful not talking by wife is off ladies and gentlemen what see insidious undercurrent here why is this 'cause it's stories is me trying to explain it to you is making you dumber but the reality is it's not that the liberals care if you talk about your wife or you don't that's rotted ryan story this is i know you you know where i'm going with this 'cause we talked to someone of are first shams liberals ladies and gentlemen wanna decimate de american family they do their war on the family is generational now and there's a reason for it it's tactical it's not just me putting out a conservative talking about liberals wanna decimated family why because they do know there's a tactical reason eight power centric reason for liberals understand that the family eight traditional american family which is spiritual well practices their religion practices their faith has dinners tonight together that values are going to be instilled in the next generation primarily from that family follow me it's not complicated that you're good this is the way it was in america for generations you got your values values you're spiritual values you moral you're you're you're ethics your staples who you are who you watched on a movie when you watch your life and what you were proud of her not proud of that came from your family your mom or dad you're grandmother and those values were handed down through generations ladies and gentlemen liberals can't stand that they have always hated that family values are a punchline for liberals are they not their efforts through drew culture to hollywood to make tea american families seem like something pernicious is generational because why though it's not just that they don't like the american family because they don't like it they don't like it because they don't want your values coming from the family family they want your values the come from the state boom remember hillary clinton his book it takes a village know it takes a family thanks to the village but it takes a family that's not what hillary inter acolytes believe they want those values the come from state run institutions why because the fence try to follow me a little bit joe against stop me if i if i'm going off track you're gonna you're gonna family values ladies and gentlemen are objective meaning they're not subject to change their not subjective family values as we've known him in america are traditional respect other people respect god respect your face these are on malleable they're not changeable you don't beat up other people you don't engage in unprovoked violence you don't steal from people you don't engage in in in nonstop greed and the envy of other people's wives liberals don't want that why because they need subjective values in other words values that change depending on the win but if you're values they're not malleable changeable they're not from your family then your not inform you're not you are not able to be influenced by their ridiculous constantly the lick the finger win changing about you get what i'm saying yeah i highlighted the schumer video saying how liberals liberals don't stand for anything right their values change on the moment but when your values are listen i believe and lower taxes not because i you know some kind of political position because i believe family should be able to spend their money on their families you know i i believe in religious freedom for me and for my neighbor to liberals don't believe in any of this this changes with the tide when chuck schumer thought he could advance a bill clinton agenda by talking about the capital gains tax he inflation index he thought it was great donald trump is a very changes his mind over nice what brock obama thought it was politically advantageous to attack gay marriage he did it when brock obama thought it was politically advantageous support gay marriage he did he says this the subjective and this is the essence of liberalism the family institute's objective unchangeable values i'm sorry those little confusing folks and i really don't mean to i'm not trying to get a pie in the sky you know a other worldly healing talking about it but it's important to understand the essence of what liberals do what they do our values are not changeable he comic freedom healthcare freedom educational freedom freedom of religion freedom of speech freedom freedom the organized freedom to assemble freedom the petition for us in our political opponents liberals do not believe any of that they believe in subjective changing guys yes freedom of speech first of all those but not for them that's inherently subjective it's not objective principal object of principles come from families subjective principles confirm the state the liberals needs a break the family bonds to make sure you could be bended molded in the states subjective values i folks thanks again for tuning in i really appreciate it i hope you have a really wonderful independence day with family i know i will have taken a little bit of a break a joe you have a nice day off man you i appreciate all of you 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"Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show. That's not immune to the facts with your host. Dan bongino. I Dan Bongino show producer Joe. How are you today part? I think I hear it Tanno lark. It's the first day of jamming is it is it spring. Like, I I'm totally even working so high listen. Yeah. Everybody works hard. It's not some pity party. We're not liberals here, but I have so much stuff going on between spy gate, the sequel, another project winking nodding working on travel and back and forth in and out of airports and stuff. It's like moves in my mind video show, the audience show, you know, now working with Paula to put the video together. We appreciate all the nice comments on the YouTube channel, I was going through them on the plane yesterday. Reading a mill you guys and ladies out there. Pretty awesome. I'm glad you like the video component to the show. So yeah, it was it was all for you. So we really. Appreciate it. I'm glad that helps. Thank you very much for the kind words plan. Thank you yesterday was up in New York. I ran into a bunch of people. Yeah. New York some guys like two big Dan Joey package cantata. It's on the streets of New York City. My got my turn around and I'm like. Hey, how are you buddy? So funny guys guys out kicking a suit you'd think in New York City where I used to live right this pocket of liberalism. You'd get a big like, hey, Dan. FCC BP out Joey bag dot Chapa. So if you listen to show, you know, you are pretty cool stuff. I got a lot of stuff to get today. Thanks to one of my sources, really good. We've been picking apart some of the information and here it is again Joe July of twenty seventeenth. What we've been calling the internal spy gate civil war date. What else happens July twenty seventeen? Stay tuned. I'm gonna get to that. And some other stuff great show today show brought to you by buddies in helixsleep, there's nobody on the planet like you. 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So Washington Examiner has. Piece up about these transmission lines. It would be necessary for the green new deal. You may say what kind of story is that. Why would you want it to? Why would you leave the show off with that? Because it's such a fascinating story about how largely far left radical left. Politics sounds great on a national stage. But when the policies they implement socialism, whatever Medicare for all the wiping out school choice when those policy slam you in the cajones ought to say that could Jones all of a sudden, it doesn't sound so great. So here's the headline from the washing examined by Josh Siegal. Big problem facing, the green new deal lack of power lines to deliver wind and solar. Joe the story here is basically this the green new deal by Alexandria case. You'll Cortez all of these democratic presidential candidates that jumped onto a comma Harris, and others that said it was such a great idea. I it mandates a one hundred percent renewable energy economy, meaning solar and wind. Right. Right. Okay. All right. And everybody's like. Deliver. Knows where I'm going said, he say. I get so so one hundred percent renewable Connie windmills and solar. Now, I already said to you that would require about five hundred thousand square miles of land for windmills, and for solar panels. No big deal. Just basically the entire state of California and Texas a state of California text would be have to be wiped out for her solar and wind mills but forgetting that that everybody in California Texas would have to move out. So we could we could basically raise the entire state for solar panels. Right. And it's assuming the sunshine and the winds blowing all the time. What are they more fascinating guy that Josh eagle puts in his piece, fascinating pieces of analysis done on this is well, how are you going to get the electricity from the solar panels where the sun shining, Florida, Texas, the south how are you going to get it up to where the sun doesn't shine? All the time like Bangor, Maine parts of Michigan. Wisconsin North Dakota. How are you going to do that show well pigeon, of course? Yeah. It was a little over carrier pigeon carry door cell batteries, right? Well, you're grabbing me, dude. To know. Of course, you're not going to do it by carrier pigeon carrying Duracell batteries, or whatever energizes the energizer bunny run across little energetic, but you're going to have to build transmission lines. So he brings up an interesting point. Here's a cut from the pizza a little snippet from the examiner piece. He says at the end that quote, inbetween states that only serve as locations of the line. Don't see much benefit. They see it more as a problem. It can stop all this stuff for being built. Oh, that's hysterical series. So what he's based Syria just picked up on my phone. That's I think about this Joe. So you live in state that say throw something out, Tennessee and Tennessee needs. The transmission lines to be built across Tennessee to get solar energy from Florida to say Michigan. Okay. So you're sitting in your house one day in Nashville, and you just bought this. Nice property. You know, maybe on the outskirts of town. You like Nashville you don't wanna live in the city, but you're in kind of the burbs or maybe the excerpts around Nashville, whatever it may be you get away from it all, but you love the energy next thing. You know, a transmission line, Tennessee, power, light, whatever it may be shows up and in your backyard, you're out there playing with fight. Oh, you're throwing him a bone and fighters and you see this guy in New York. And you're like, hey abra because you're a liberal, and you think this is all cool. Of course, you know. You're you believe in agree to do you like, hey, hey, Brad, what when you doing in my backyard where you got your snuggie on your tone, your bone fighter? And he's like, what do you mean? You support a degree new deal? I'm here to build a mega transmission line in your backyard. So we can get the power from Florida to Michigan abra waiting for me. Bre, no, no. It's not for you just running into line through your state to get to Michigan for abra. I didn't sign up, but his Biard UH bureaus abra. I sign up for his I got my snuggie. The on the back. I love AO. See I got my socialism wind shirt on the front. You know, we got our don't feed to hipster shirt on today. But you are a hipster. Hey, hey, you got your hipster beard had brow? But I didn't sign up for his. No you did. Because they'll be transmission lines running all over the United States on what the Josh Siegal in this wash the examiner piece. Rightly he's quoting someone by the way, he's quoting another researcher who calls him, the inbetween states who are going to be like, are you crazy Joe? This is classical what Nimby ISM, right? Not in my backyard. You're darn right. Are you folks? People don't want people don't even want their backyards in their backyards. They don't want some serious. There's some people in their own backyards. If your neighbor would have plant a tomato plants and falls in your backyard. You ready to burn down your neighbors property, you take some Tennessee power. Like dude is going to show up in your backyard. Throw a bone of fighter in your snuggie. Put. A big monstrous poll in your backyard run. A huge transmission line with a transform. It's gonna hump twenty four hours a day. And you're going to be like, hey, bro. That's totally cool. You could lose your minds. But. I wanna talk about it. I forget the because this is liberalism. It is this emotion based non fact-based non-real world analysis of the current political situation an ideology bedrock in a motion responses to real world problems a green new deal. Yeah. Bra has great solar wind this is. Yeah, we're going to build those in your backyard is your now bra I did sign off for that. Of course. You didn't. You're a liberal. You didn't sign up for any that you take. You think your neighbors going to get screwed? Not you. Prey story ever. I saw that this is that not liberalism summed up. Joe you've basis states will go crazy. Can you imagine mayor Joe Joe you live in Maryland, Maryland, where Nimby ISM is. I lived in Maryland for a long time Maryland's actually an interesting state because it's a liberal state. But it's really not if really three liberal counties is Joe knows. Well, Baltimore City, the boys richest Twenty-three bus when I really a county them. Baltimore City, Montgomery and Prince George's county, without those three counties, Maryland is actually not only conservative, but very conservative western Maryland is mountain Maryland. And the eastern shore is is hugely conservative out there. So Maryland's what he's fascinating states where although it votes liberal membe is about there is all my gosh. Joe try to put a windmill on the right on the eastern shore of Maryland. Where people have waterfront property, even the liberals on the eastern shore will be like abra that ain't for me, man. You. Windmill Burnett thing down, I'll drop it a tactical nuclear weapon on that thing and blow it out, but it'll kill fish. I don't care that was an environmentalist yesterday. So you send you remember the rain tax, folks. One more quick example move. All right, Joe. And I lived through this in Maryland Joe was on the radio at the time when he was running a show over there. And they had this rain tax in Maryland at a liberal governor O'Malley implemented to rain tax was they would tax you on the amount of impervious surface on your property, and they were going to take satellite pictures, if you had say concrete instead of grass, or if you had flat roofs on your commercial property, and the logic was that the runoff that didn't seep into the grass that was on say concrete would run into the Chesapeake Bay and polluted. So that you should be taxed for it. So it was called the rain tax, folks. This was a disaster of epic proportions for the libs because again in a liberal state that votes overweight. Helming the at least in presidential elections for Democrats. All of a sudden people are like, hey, what do you mean? I'm gonna get a thirty thousand dollar tax for the flat roof of my business. No, thanks, all of a sudden, they voted in Larry HOGAN for governor who basically one under rain tax. It was remember that Joe. I mean, this is forget it classical Nimby is. Yeah, man. Oh, man. We lived through that. It was like a for the opposition to this in Maryland was ferocious people were going crazy. Remember Joe calling into radio? Else is next to good attach my toilet bowl. Flushes nextstep careful. Okay. That was a flush tax in Maryland through thick system. Tax. Right. You'll give them any ideas is we're taking a bath. You know with their parking lot grew. They would get quick a fly spoke to a guy in Enron, though county he had a flat roof in his big industrial park. He's like, hey, man. I'm going to get like a fifteen thousand dollar tax by can't afford that. But I thought I thought you like democrat more all member. This ladies, gentlemen, all politics are local you can talk about this crap. All you want the green new deal, socialism seventy percent tax rate when that gets slammed in the wallets of locals who were voting in their congressional elections, and everything that democrat brand is gonna take everyone with it. Let pin this to them. All right. You know, what let me read this week because this is going to folks, this is good. I have a really really phenomenal source out there. He's been really good. And yesterday, I was looking over some documents and. Of course, I get an Email and boom that July twenty seventeen date again. Again, I want to get to that. In a great piece by Margot Cleveland in the federalist and I'll put in the show. So don't go anywhere right today. Should also brought to you by buddies a battle box. This most subscription boxes full of samples and junk, you're never going to use. Right. Not battle bucks. I got one of these I opened it. It was like a kid at Christmas. It's the monthly subscription box for men full of solid gear. 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Try battle box dot com slash Dan. You're gonna love it while by the way, folks, right now, the listeners our listeners get a free tactical knife when you sign up. That's try battle box dot com slash, Dan. You get a free technical knife for China sow check it out. All right. So this was fascinating. You remember? I keep telling you about this July twenty seventeen date. He keeps creeping up. Right. This is the date the hits the fan, right and goes everywhere. So we know in July of twenty seventeen what I believe and the kind of the impetus for spy gay to the sequel to my initial books by gate is going to be. Is that July of twenty seventeen. Bob Mueller, the special counsel investigating Trump Russia collusion gets wind towards the end of July. Well, maybe towards the beginning. We're not really sure what day, but Bob Muller gets wind to the fact that the inspector general investigating this case, the Clinton Clinton collusion case has the infamous, Peter stroke tax. Why is this important? Why does it matter to you? I cannot EVA's is this enough. Because Muller now knows that the lead investigator Peter show who's having an affair with this other FBI lawyer working on the case Lisa page. They are texting each other back and forth. Talking about all the corruption in this case lors overseas like fishing lures, like lowering people in there talking about Trump reporters smell how there's an insurance policy. All this stuff is in the text Muller gets the techs in July of twenty seventeen and ladies and gentlemen. What do you think is the first thing on ballers mind? Because Muller's only goal is the target. Donald Trump would keep the heat off the Obama administration and the DOJ. Muller's got to be thinking. Holy look at what's going. I what am I going to do here so July fifteenth Lisa page gets booted from the special counsel just a couple of weeks after that Peter stroke, it's booted from the special counsel and all of this stuff happens. Now, the operating thesis from sixty thousand feet we've been operating on for spy gay to is that when Muller sees these tax about how corrupt the investigation into Trump was Joe he does what he panicked like anyone would because he's trying to keep the heat on Trump. Now, he knows an external investigator, Michael Horowitz knows everything has the techs and has this has it all on file so Muller hits back. And I believe at this point someone leaks information in defense of Trump to hit back to. So we have a number of things that happened in July seventeen just to be clear. Tell me your following me. Here exists super important Muller hits back by engaging in an unprecedented. Full frontal assault on the Trump team. I believe in an effort to lock people up and get cooperators before his entire operation is exposed. And that operation is keeping the heat off of what happened the Donald Trump because again Horowitz knows it. Now, what happens we already know? That's when George popadopoulos is arrested in this hurry up arrest at the airport in I believe, it's the shut him up and get him somehow to shut him down. Maybe try one last time to pin him down on some collusion that he wasn't involved in. I don't believe it was a moment. That's when the Manafort search warrant happens all I believe efforts by Muller to take attention away from what he knows is gonna leak publicly these devastating stroke Tech's, we know that's the July twenty seventeen is when the house GOP that seen this evidence calls for a second special counsel. In other words, Joe they're probably looking at this going. What the heck is this? We need a second special counsel. We also know that's when it leaks the John Solomon who I reported who I'm convinced knows the whole story that Jim Baker the FBI. Lawyer involved in this case as well is being investigated, criminally for potential leaks to the media. I believe someone on the pro-trump side leaks that understanding they're about to go to the civil war over this case. Now, we find that. You're like what Dan why are you bringing this up today? You know, I don't repeat show. So I don't just bring it up to bring it up. Well, what did we find out yesterday in a striking new tidbit of information? Paula put up that Associated Press headline how this in the show notes. I'm not a big fan of the Associated Press. Here's a headline AP by Jim musty end. And Larry Neumeister records show special counsel other words, in other words, Robert Muller zeroed in on Cohen, Michael Cohen Trump's lawyer early on. Oh, they did. Larry way way we made early on. Joe what is happening when exactly did. Bob Muller, who's panicking July of seventeen because these texts are out there showing just how corrupt the investigations to Trump is he's got a distract people arrest popadopoulos. Go ahead Manafort, we had all this stuff covered up. Well, when did Manafort when did Muller start zeroing in on Donald Trump's attorney Paul put up that snippet from the article on the on the screen here? Here we go folks L reader for audio only hundreds of pages of court records made public Tuesday reveal that special counsel. Bob Merlo quickly zeroed in on Michael Cohen, president Donald Trump's former personal attorney and fixer in the early stages of his Russia probe that bag backup the heavily blacked out. Records released by a judge at the request of news organizations or normalizations show that Muller was investigated. Coen by. Dirt or July of twenty seventeen much. Previously. Oh my God. Folks. This was just released yesterday. At tip my guy. Great great catch. I was reading through it. I I've read right over that part. This search warrants the original search warrants July of two thousand seventeen conveniently right around the time Muller finds out the whole investigations a scam. Again. Please tell this is where I am not trying to start a beef with people, I respect their work. Please don't take this the wrong way. You guys know you are there are some Twitter sluice out there doing phenomenal work on this. This is not an attack. It is simply my opinion versus yours, and you guys can back yours up. I'll back up mine. There are still people out there who somehow insist Muller's a good guy a white hat. He's on the right side year in Muller's work in conjunction with the Trump White House to in the end, they're going to get all these bad guys. They are not. I'm sorry Muller is not a good guy. I honor the man service to the country what he's doing here is entirely unethical. It is clear as data me in this rush to arrest. Popadopoulos skip this warrant on Manafort, and then get a warrant on Michael Cohen, Trump's lawyer July of two thousand seventeen that he's not doing anything involving Russian collusion. He's doing it to hammer. Donald trump. Now, Joe I'm going to wrap this up on his point. I wanna get to another story by Margot Cleveland. That's phenomenal. But you may say well, Dan, how do you know? That the popadopoulos arrests in July of two thousand seventeen the Manafort search warrant and subsequent arrest and prosecution. How do you know also that the colwin search warrant in July of twenty seventeen the infamous civil war date? We have how do you know that wasn't related to Russian collusion? And that Muller wasn't doing what he was charged to do investigate Russian collusion. Because folks now it now that this case this is why spy gate to the book is so necessary. Now that we've seen these cases prosecuted and the legal documents have been made public. Joe was popadopoulos ever charged with anything related to Russian collusion. Let's see, Dan. I know he wasn't. He wise it let me double down was Paul Manafort ever charged with anything related to Russian collusion. No, no, no. He wasn't a hater. Guys, triple down. Joe was Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen ever charged with anything related to Russian collusion. GDN's tough. Learn. I don't know Dan dig deep. No now, not a more. We now know that this is all out. Now what I've Ridgely road spy gate. None of this was out. We didn't know about the July twenty seventeenth civil war date. This is when it all went down Muller clearly went after people unrelated to Russian collusion because he'd never charged them Russian, collusion and know, what has ever plead guilty to any collusion charge with the Russian ever. Matter of fact, Joe even worse. The Michael Cohen case wants Muller special counsel started looking into him conveniently again in July of twenty seventeen when they found out their case was a train wreck because of the tax once they served a search warrant they referred the case out to the southern district of New York. Yeah. The southern district of New York branch of the DOJ not involved with the special counsel because it had nothing to do with collusion mortgage fraud other stuff coincide. Guilty. I'm not here to defend Cohen, you know, I don't like Cohn. I think he's a snake. But he was not involved with Russian collusion. It's clear as day Muller. Not only didn't charge him with it. He didn't charge him with anything. He referred the case the southern district southern district of New York saying I have nothing to do with this. Folks, is this all makes sense. I I'm just I'm really I'm humbly and respectfully asking to the people out there who still believe somehow Muller's a good guy. What is your evidence of that? I don't understand what you're evidence of that. A couple of token prosecutions. We're hearing of potentially looking at the Craig Greg Greg Craig right now, the Obama White House lawyer for his legal work with Ukraine fine. Okay. That's a token. Prosecutors I got hurt anybody. That's not evidence. That Muller's a good guy. He's done an absolutely awful awful. Terrible jump. All right. I wanna move onto this piece by Margo Cleveland because it is a stud. This is she done really, really great work. You know, I usually had to Jeff Carlson and Chuck Ross and Cates and others out there who are doing really good work. There's a lot of good Twitter things out there. That undercover Huber count. That's decent work on Twitter. A lot of good people. But sadly, I don't know why there's so many people I want to hat tip and Pat on the back because there's really been phenomenal work. I leave out Margot Cleveland, I shouldn't her work at the federalist on this. It's a library of material. That's just so good. So she has another piece up today about now that the reason this is time sensitive to today, can we don't cover old material and in new shows unless it's relevant is now Joe we have Doug Collins e house GOP member who has been launching out. Now, the behind closed doors testimony of multiple people Lisa page, Bruce, or we now have Peter strokes testimony may say well, Dan, he already testify publicly nano. No, no, no, no, no. He did. But stroke also said things behind closed doors that we now have public and some of the stuff he said, ladies and gentlemen, is like tier one level bombshell. Stop because it apps to okay. Court and you may say well, no one's talking about. Of course, they're not talking only we're talking about it. You want the real news come here. You went to fake news. Go watch NBC. So here's the peace politics from if you don't mind on the screen, so Margaret Cleveland federalists did Peter stroke lie. A was there a spy chart targeting the Trump campaign? This is where it gets fascinating. There's a section of this piece. I want to read to you. This is really critical now. Keep in mind, I covered this the other day. This is why this is important. The media's now trying to change the narrative there are things you went. I know we know the case was based the FBI investigation of the Trump follow me. Joe stop me. If I if I lead anyone to strike the investigation at the Trump, the spying operation all the nonsense. They pull them this guy the warrants the unmasking, we know it was based on political interests and their impetus for doing it. At least in the FBI. We know was the dossier right now the left calls that a conspiracy theory. They say, well, the FBI said that the case was based on downers tip downers tip about popadopoulos and the bar saying dirt on Hillary. That's just not true Downer is sensory can't did that he said that the popadopoulos didn't say dirt Downer is also said that he mentioned nothing about the Trump campaign being even knowing about it. We know this because Downer said this to the Australian newspaper. We also know that it couldn't have possibly been based on the Downer. The Downer tip because an FBI agent by the name of Gaiga might Gaito was in London meeting which the chew weeks before they even open the case still the alleged dossier on them. So that stories bunk. Now, why is this important? It's important because the media needs to distract you from the fact that a fake Hillary Clinton paid for Otto research document, the dossier was used to target a political opponent. It's as simple as that. That is the lead of the story the the bureau, the FBI people management who did this and they're media lackeys who support police they tyranny desperately needs to distract you from the fact that a political opposition document was used to weaponize government, law enforcement entities. So they keep saying no, no it was about a tip from Alexander Downer. It's real folks. It's the Downer tip. It is not the Downer tip. It is the dossier even worse. The dossier would indicate that a foreign spy in conjunction with Russian sources was used to feed political information to the Obama. Ministration and the John Brennan that they push political figures to push the FBI into investigating Trump on all of that is bad. So they need to distract you. So what are the methods of distraction has been to say, well, the Trump campaign wasn't spied on why Peter stroke in his piece to believe, otherwise let me read to you. From the peace polit throw that up on the screen for the YouTube audience. If you wanna watch along at home, YouTube dot com slash Bongino. Please comment on the video cast of this podcast. Here we go while page and strokes explanations lined up in the main she's talking about Lisa page and Peter strokes testimony strokes testimony added one significant detail emphasis mine he spoke of having already quote received information, this is killer from a very sensitive source, alleging collusion between the government of Russia and members of the Trump campaign. So strokes now behind closed doors testimony that up a second Paulo he talks about let me just read this part. Again, he talks about receiving information from a very sensitive source, alleging collusion between the government of Russia and members of the Trump campaign. Why is this important? Some of you may be picking up when I'm laying down here. Some of you may not I will lay it all out. Don't you worry? So the official FBI police state media story folks is what Downer did a Joe they gotta tip. They gotta tip from Downer. Downer said popadopoulos told them in a bar boozy meeting. One gin and tonic. We're boozy meeting told him about dirt on Hillary. But that's not what stroke saying stroke, saying they got information from a sensitive source about collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. So you may say, okay. Well, what's your problem? Then the FBI stories true. That's sensitive source was clearly Downer. No, it wasn't because Downer never made any allegations whatsoever about collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the government of Russia. Never matter of fact, Downer in that interview with the Australian has already said that he didn't he wasn't even short Trump campaign is even mentioned and that he's even retracting the factor popadopoulos said dirt on Hillary that they had dirt on Hillary. That sensitive source at why would Downer. Joe be a sensitive source doubters in Australian diplomat. He's not he's not an FBI source. In other words, Joe tell me you're picking us up. Police did you are the Representative. That's a stroke is clearly referencing someone here. See is that is not Alexander Downer through he's not sensitive. He's not an FBI source. He's a diplomat. And there are no allegations in that back and forth with popadopoulos at all. It was supposed to have started the case of collusion at all. None downers century track. Did some of the more significant claims that were made by the American media in their attempt to defend this Downer. The Downer tip started at all. It wasn't the dossier. Foreign spy working with the Russians. Did it Hillary paid for it? So you may say all well, Dan. Clearly, they're talking about Christopher Steele. When I say they follow me, folks. So we can let's just do because I know liberals listened to the show, and listen, I always welcome you here. But I know you have our buddy Cole calls at the facts nation, you've been vaccinated against facts and early age, and I'm sorry for that. But, but but let's break through with the truth virus here. Okay. That you're not immune to. Let's just do something simple. Joe? Let's do the process of elimination. All right. So Peter stroke is saying no, no we had a source, and that's why this case was so important with well. The FBI story was the source was Downer. But down or can't be the source because what stroke says the source said is not what Downer said so we've eliminated down right down or tracking me Armacost downers out. Okay. So number two. Okay. Damn will stroke saying that they started this case. Because of a source source was clearly Christopher Steele. No, it wasn't Christopher Steele. Either. Why? Because Lisa page strokes girlfriend is claiming in sworn testimony behind closed doors, which we've already seen. Thanks. Doug Collins, GOP house member good guy. Lisa page is claiming under oath that. They didn't even know Christopher. Steele was Joe until September. So if the case started on July thirty first Joe, yes, July thirty first of two thousand sixteen crossfire hurricane corrupt investigation at the Donald Trump. But the FBI is saying on the record that they didn't hear about steel until September of two thousand sixteen. How the did Christopher Steele? Become the source stroke is referring to that started the case. Somebody's lying, folks. Somebody's not telling the truth. Remember, the case starts July. Thirty first Joseph if pages girlfriend saying, we didn't know steel wasn't they'll September how then is stroke telling the truth when he said we received information from a sensitive source and alleging collusion, that's what started this ain't working. No, no doubt. You're at did not work. So we can eliminate Downer. Because that's not what Downer said, we could eliminate steel or the FBI's lying about it, which I think may be true because he is official statement is we didn't know about Steelers September. Finally. You may say well, Dan, thanks to Chuck Ross reporting at the daily caller, we already know about an FBI source, Stefan haufer, a Central Intelligence Agency asset we know was spying on popadopoulos and page on behalf of the government right around the summer of two thousand sixteen. Remember he makes contact with page and popadopoulos well before the July thirty first start data the case. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now, ladies and gentlemen, now, it's starting to make sense. So if you listen to them, you're like, okay. So stroke said they got information from a sensitive source about potential collusion. Yeah. Dan that sources helper. But that's not what the FBI saying the F B I is already said in their senior management along with their police, they'd hack media, allies Joep keep in mind. The lead have already said that it was the Downer tip that started this case, not Stefan helper an intelligence asset. Do you understand these stories can't be true either how per was spying on the Trump team? And it started the case as stroke seems to indicate or he wasn't and the FBI is lying the whole time. There were stories can't be true. That part's a little confusing about helper. Let me let me say this again. The official story by the bureau is the July thirty first crossfire hurricane propagated by the gas lighting media against Trump was started. Because Alexander Downer was the source of a tip. Stroke is saying underneath that. They had a source that started this case, it wasn't Downer Downer did not say, which stroke said the source told them. Still according to the FBI story didn't come on board September the only guy who fits his time line is however. I believe that's what stroke is saying. How was our source? So you may see what's the problem? The problem is that doesn't comport with the FBI story. They're saying doubters the source you get in. Yeah. Somebody's lying. Read the Margot Cleveland piece, very carefully, folks. The F B I official story that the Downer tip started this case cannot possibly be true. If you understand the basic chronology this case, all you have to do is look at the dates, how per makes contact way before July thirty first before the case started. Is he the sensitive source? By process of Shiro limitation. He has to be. But if he's the source the FBI media story in the Chris cillizza that goofball CNN story that it started with the Downer tip at popadopoulos makes no sense. Now, you're saying it started with helper. You see how they're tripping over each other. Joe right now way annexing. Oh my gosh. Right. Like you went I were teenagers when you're a teenager. You you tell white lies your mom and dad. Hey, what were you guys doing? You know, where you out in a park playing football. When I was quick story. It's gotta I dislocated my shoulders. A kid of my mom listens. To my show, a mom. Sorry. I lied to you when I was a kid on my deepest apologies. But I dislocated my left shoulder really badly playing tackle football full equipment with no refs, by the way. And it was like a bloodbath up in this hill in a cemetery in Glendale, queens. It was an empty part of a hill in the cemetery. Ground was rough people were constantly getting hurt breaking things. So my mother had forbidden me to play football up there with these guys I used to play with. And so I go up, and I dislocated my shoulder, and she starts screaming I had to go to the hospital. It was brutal. They had a pop it back in it was an ugly day. So of course, you know, me being the savage. I was when I was a kid. I go back the next week. I tell my mother I think I'm like mom, we're going out. Party with friends or some? Yeah. And Sunday at eleven o'clock. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a weekend party. Yeah. It's pinta talented donkey, so I have my football in in the back of my friends car. So of course, we go up to the hill again inside the cemetery on Cooper avenue. And what happens Joe, I dislocated my shoulder again. I try to grab a guy running by me on a kick return rips my shoulder, right out. I have to go back to the hospital. And I'm now I like smell like football it so that football pants smell. I don't know what to do. So I want myself down with a baby wipe. I go home. I take the equipment off. And I tell my mother I'm thinking of a clever story that I was in the passenger seat of a car. If those on video, you could see this, and I was my left arm, and I had my left arm behind the driver's seat. Like kind of like holding the backseat and my buddy stopped short. And put my show that my mom believed the whole thing. So mama. I'm really sorry. I liked you. Because and then she took me to hostile had to have surgery two weeks later, it was dislocated so bad. So, but these are the white lies retail the problem with. These white lies is over time. You have to remember your own lies. Now. I remember that story pretty vividly because I was so afraid of the wrath of my mother for disobeying her orders. Right. The problem with this lie Joe is you have to continue to remember your lies. And I believe stroke in his sworn testimony forgot that the official story is that Downer started this thing with the popadopoulos tip. And that's why they're stepping on themselves so easy when you understand the dates, remember, my my credo here. Remember, the names, and I'm going to add remember the dates when you remember the dates, and the names all of this comes together. That's how that July twenty seventeen thing keeps popping up on the timeline. Keep that July twenty seventeen Dayton mind. All right moving on. I got a lot of other stuff to get through tonight. All right today show finally brought you but he's a filter by, hey, according to the CDC about seven million people are getting hit with the flu this year. 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In other words, what you think of yourself. Doesn't matter. The left wants you to vote according relabel, they put on you. In other words out. My wife's a perfect example Paula I don't want to speak for policy can speak for herself on the show. She she's rarely opens up our Mike, but. What I can almost guarantee you knowing my wife better than anyone that the label that matters to her most is. God, I mom second. You know? That it's not that's how she votes vote your values, and she votes her family every that be a fair assessment Paula that would be fair. She says that would be correct. There's a direct Paula. This is the fact that she's an immigrant from Columbia. I would I don't know. I would rank that I don't know somewhere between ninety and one hundred on our list of I just it doesn't she? She's an American citizen that she works. You get what I'm saying Joe? But to the left the fact that my wife is Colombian. She's an immigrant that that should be paramount. Yeah. But that that's not what my wife votes on my wife votes. Undervalues? She hasn't vote on that or immigration status. She's American citizen now, but she doesn't vote in the fact that she recruited dozen. I I know I live with every day. But the left needs you to vote on that because they need to sick you against other people because why the left doesn't have a platform. That's reasonable. You. See how we tied the whole show. And I started this show talking about the green new deal, and the fact that nobody's talking about. The transmission lines that are going to be in your backyard. The left knows that's impractical. And that people would go crazy if they found out electrical lines are going to be built in their backyard. So what do they do they distract you by saying what you Republicans environment? Therefore, you should hate Republicans vote for us. That's an emotional reaction. That's not a reasonable rational reaction. Why is it emotional because it's not true? Republicans. Don't hate the environment. I'm candidly, very concerned about plastic pollution in our ocean breathing clean air. Liberals are cigar Nari or not you're Republican or you're a moron. So what if you don't? I don't really care if you believe that by the way, I don't I know what's in my heart. And I know my heart is pure on it, and I know that matters to me, I watch sixty minutes thing on the plastic pollution in the oceans devastating to watch. It'd be great. If we could find a free market solution to that the government will just screw it up that really matters to me breathing clean air. Doesn't matter me. I spent some time in Beijing. China's the secret service and you ever try to breathe the air that you can eat the air. It's so thick. It's gross. You think I was a Republican? I was like, this is awesome. Everybody go outside suck in near. Don't be an idiot. I'm sorry. That matters to us. That's why I'm suggesting to you that the liberal response to the environments in emotional ones. Republicans hate the environment. Dirtier dirty water vote for us. They don't have a practical solution. So identity politics is always going to involve the implosion of the left on it self because they have to constantly seek out new victims by giving new labels to people. But by doing that some of the old victims now become victimized. What am I talking about? Well, the left wants you to believe they're in it for immigrants who came to this country. No, no, no, no, no. No, they're not in it for Chinese Americans. What they're not immigrants to why don't they can't. Joe there is a huge backlash brewing in the Chinese American community on a couple of issues the first one unrelated to the Washington Examiner story today in the show notes. But it's a good story. I strongly encourage you to read it. The first one is this affirmative action push in higher education institutions pushed by Alexander acacia Cortez at the lower level, by the way at grammar schools and high schools to basically discriminate against Asian American students who score high in testing because of hard work in favor of giving spots in elite schools to people who haven't earned. It Alexandra Casey of Cortez tweeted out the other day these elite New York City, high schools out of all the open slots, they only picked what she say seven black students these are merit based scholarships. So Alexandra Casey of Cortez clearly entertainers objecting to the fact that Asian American students did well and got into the schools. That's what she's objecting to their based on scores. Have nothing to do with race. You score. Good. You get in. It's simple as that. Which is ironic because okay Cortez inadvertently Joe made an argument for school choice. It doesn't even know it. But what she she typically says things she doesn't know anyway. So it's unusual. But Chinese Americans and Asian Americans are starting to figure out quickly that the democrat party is after them. Their kids sapping to study hard many. You're not all obviously, we don't stereotype positive or negative anyone, but many Asian Americans do very well. And because they do very well. They're not allowed in schools because those spots have to be held do identity politics for others. It was only a matter of time before the we're in it for the immigrants line that the liberals tell you was no, no, no. We're not in it for the immigrants. We're aided for people. Who can politically advantage us, even if it hurts immigrants? But secondly. The examiner piece today if you want to throw that up there. Chinese Americans are becoming a unique pocket of support for the Republican party in California. Interesting. Here's the title of the examiner piece by Daniel alad sorry from saying your name wrong. Daniel, it's an opinion piece titled damn socialism. Why are you chasing me Chinese Americans? See the ghost gove, communism in Democrats, leftward turn there's a fascinating interview here Joe with a woman part of this Orange County coalition of Chinese Americans who initially coalesced around the fact that their kids are having a hard time getting into college because of discrimination against them because they study hard, right? This is Asian Americans and Chinese Americans. They coalesced around that issue, and they're now in their political activism, if the Democrats started because they believe in discriminating against Asian Americans in college an elite New York City high schools, right? They found another cause some of these Chinese Americans fled China precisely because of the totalitarian regime of socialism over there in China. And now. Now, they're say, why are you chasing me here? I'm trying to get away from this stuff. So the point of the piece is yeah. This is a big deal that a lot of Asian Americans and Chinese Americans are starting to find out that the conservative cause is the cause of liberty for everyone. Everyone. Not just the favourite identity. Politics groups of the day, folks, I told you this was inherently cannibalistic it is going to eat itself. This movement has to implode. You cannot. Pandered to the black community. Excuse me. Why simultaneously simultaneously supporting unfettered immigration, unfettered open borders immigration, where people can come in and not have to pay payroll taxes can be paid off the books who are here illegally are hurting some lower income communities that happen to be minority communities because some of the jobs are being taken up by people who don't have to pay into social security. You don't have to pay into Medicare because they came here legally, they can't they don't have a tax ID, number or social security number. Black community starting to figure out that unfettered support for teachers unions, another group, you're a teacher's union. You vote with the Democrats now, but I'm a mom and a pair for and I don't know you're gonna vote as a teacher, and it teaches you that you cannot support teachers unions at the same time, you can support black Hispanic and low income white communities that have bad public schools because the teachers union don't want school choice. Do you understand your how when you fight for freedom? There are no identity politics because you're appealing to the individual the whole essence of conservatism is the essence of an individual's big r rights granted by God, not rights granted on group status. You dig what you're what I'm saying is important. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We all we know individual Joe Armacost rights are not do Joe to your Scottish background or meet him, I Taliban Irish German English background on. My wife's Columbian background, right? Regardless of your skin color hair color, race, the language you speak Lord of the Lord almighty has. Has touched you on the right shoulder with big our God given rights to speak practice, your religion, petition the government. Assemble those rights may be protected by government that granted by such. But the left doesn't do that. They don't believe in big all rights. They don't believe in the individual. They believe in pockets of political support they can gain by leveraging identity politics to tell those political groups to Republicans h you vote for us while simultaneously take away the rights of others, the rights of Chinese American students to to get into a school of their choice economic freedom. They take away your money. They take away your healthcare, and they use emotion and emotional leverage to do it. This is the essence of the four left. It is always going to implode on itself. Always. And you're seeing it now with this fascinating piece. I saw in the in the examiner. It's definitely worth your time. You're going to see this in the future. Folks. Mark my words, the Spanish community already seen in Texas starting to find out that the Republicans are the one that aligns that align more with their social values their religious values family values. You're already seeing it. It's only a matter of time identity politics only works for so long before the movement collapses on it self because you cannot support unfettered immigration and high black employment rates, you cannot support educational freedom simultaneously discriminating against Asian Americans. These are not parallel goals. They're perpendicular. They go in opposite directions. Speaking of the Democrats lurched to the far left. My last story of the day. This what's your name Johnson? Abby Johnson who is a. Used to work in abortion clinic, I believe and now has a movie at she's become a pretty prominent life activist and supporter of life, but working against the pro-abortion movement. They have a move at a movie outcome unplanned. It's Ritchie said something this morning that really hit me again, a transitioning here because the Democrats have lurched now into support for third term abortion. In other words, terminating the life of fully formed children in the wound. Longs is heartbeat. Pain all of it fully formed infants third trimester. The Democrats Baidoa and others are now all in the pro-abortion movement on not only just abortion, but third trimester abortion to and as we saw in Virginia and New York actual infanticide. Where child is born and is allowed to die or killed amazing. By amazing. I mean absolutely atrocious. And I can't I can't find the words. So think about what kind of human being would do that. I mean, you have to have zero moral character at all. So that they have this this movie out on plan. That's getting a lot of buzz about the abortion industry that Abby Johnson put out. She gave an interview on FOX and friends this morning. It was fascinating. She brought up a really good point. She believes that the Motion Picture Association that that rates the movie show. It gives them the ratings and C seventeen are PG thirteen PG, whatever it may be the Motion Picture Association. Ironically in a movie about abortion, Joe gave the unplanned on plan. The movie gave them an already Paula has the headline from life site, news, headline this is from their opinion piece movies with sex and violence. Get rated PG thirteen. Why does pro-life quote unplanned the movie getting are? Well, I think we all know it's due to Hollywood bias what a powerful point miss Johnson made this morning on FOX and friends show. She said think about it just goes to show you how the left continually cell phones at self. You know, owning the libs is easy, but they usually own themselves when you give them time. She said, you know, the Motion Picture Association and the liberals in Hollywood inadvertently stepped on their own message. Think about abortion is so grotesque in horrible to watch on the big screen show that it needs an already yet the pro-abortion crowd that actively lobbies for abortion wants the very same sixteen-year-olds be able to walk into abortion clinic without parental notification and terminate the life of a child in the room. So think about this big about how the left in Hollywood stepped on their own message abortions. No big deal. Really that it. Why does it need our rating to watch the movie about it? Right. Joe? Yeah. Yeah. And then point number two, which Abby Johnson made this morning, which is brilliant. So pro-abortion is you're telling me that is sixteen year old should be able to go into an abortion clinic without her parents even knowing terminate the life of child in the womb. But that same sixteen year old is not even allowed. To a movie about the abortion procedure. She just underwent or is going to undergo. It was a one of those points where I had immediate. This is my necessarily this for YouTubers at home. That's my notebook for the day. I took a note immediately on that. I said that is brilliant point. Sometimes it's tough to make arguments. And it takes people with good clear thinking thoughts to push away all the fog and just make a very clear point that is it. So a sixteen year old can terminate the life of a child in the moon with our parents ever knowing but cannot see a movie about abortion. I mean, it was really a brilliant point very well done hat tip to Abby Johnson. And I'll do it today. Take a note on that tickets. Yeah. So, you know. Yeah. Brilliant point folks, please go out by ticket to planned. I'm asking you, even if you don't see it. I'm gonna go. I'm going to have to do that today. Go buy ticket to the movie on plan. We have to support these movies, and entertainment culture that supports our. 'cause I know some of you may not have time just buy a ticket supported, please. I'm just asking you. I'll do it. I'm not trying to speak with forked tongue here. So I'd appreciate you doing that. All right, folks. Thanks again for tuning in was a stack show. Thanks for hanging with me yesterday. It was a lot of travel back and forth, and a YouTube channels really done very well. So thank you. I'm glad you guys like the video and ladies you could also watch it, by the way, the video on dot com. Go to YouTube dot com slash Bongino checkout. Leave a comment on the show. And we appreciate you all subscribing to the audio podcasts as well. If you go to I tunes on your podcast app on your phone. It's on everybody's phones. Little purple thing. If you have an item, I two please, click the subscribe button, it's free. The subscriptions are free helps us move up the charts. If you have an Android phone, you can go to iheart. Soundcloud, follow us there again completely free. We really appreciate that. You do. That helps us move up. 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Pete Buttigieg Talks Iowa; Howard Dean's Message To 2020 Candidates
"From NPR and WBZ. I'm Tanya Moseley. I'm Jeremy Hobson at Iowa. Public Radio in Cedar Falls Today. It's here now in a minute. We'll get the latest on the race for the Democratic presidential. The primary ahead of the Iowa caucuses on Monday but I the Senate question answer portion of president. Trump's impeachment trial enters into its second day today and in tweets tweets this morning retired Harvard law professor. Alan Dershowitz tried to clarify what he said in defense of the president yesterday. Here's what he said yesterday for president. does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest. That cannot be the kind of quid in pro that results in impeachment. Many people took that to mean that Dershowitz argued that trump could not be impeached for pressuring Ukraine in to investigate Joe Biden because trump believed it would help his reelection and therefore was not was in the national interest joining us with more is NPR national national political correspondent. Mara Liasson and Mara Dershowitz tweeted that he was not saying a candidate could do anything to reassure a reelection but rather seeking help in an election is not necessarily corrupt. Can you put this argument in context. is this a culmination of where the defense is going. It is has and So far it's been rejected by almost every legal scholar out there. But what it shows. Is that the president's legal team team has over time. They started out saying he did nothing wrong. The call was perfect there was no quid pro quo. Then it was even if there wasn't quid pro quo. WHOA it's not serious enough to warrant removal now? Alan Dershowitz seems to be saying. It doesn't matter what he did as long as his intentions were good if he thinks his reelection elections in the public interest in what politician wouldn't think that then anything he does to help him get reelected is fine and it was a very trumpian combination. Donald Trump has said article two of the Constitution. Let them do whatever he wants. And the defense team just really raised the stakes for Republican senators because if they acquit him they are basically validating that argument that the president can do just about anything. He wants. here's a Republican John Barrosso so on CNN this morning talking about that. Initial interpretation of Dershowitz claimed that a president can do anything to get reelected because it's in the national interest. The what I'm saying is presidents have specific powers under the constitution. I listened to the To Dershowitz make that case yesterday yesterday. And what are you saying is even if the case is proven by the house it still does it. Rise to the level of impeachment Mara Another trump lawyer said getting credible information on a political opponent from foreign sources would not violate campaign finance laws. I mean are Republicans applicants comfortable with where this going. That is the big question and I think assuming that there will not be witnesses. We can talk about that a little later but I think the big question when it comes to voting for removal or not removal is will donald trump be acquitted on his own terms will republicans say hey we're going to acquit him. Because the call was perfect he did nothing wrong even if he asked Ukraine to help him that was fine or will they say what. The president did was inappropriate appropriate as Mitt. Romney said it was wrong appalling but it doesn't rise to the level of impeachment especially not this close to an election and that is the big question and then trump defense team has been putting forth a very maximalist argument and I think almost making it a little harder for Republican senators to Kind of wholeheartedly. Embrace their argument. Well let's talk about witnesses. I mean Republicans have said they want a speedy acquittal. OF COURSE DEMOCRATS WANNA call witnesses including including the possibility of John on Bolton a does that seem likely. It doesn't seem likely even the Democratic leader in the senator. Charles Schumer didn't sound very optimistic about it. He said he hopes he can get witnesses. It's an uphill fight. Is it more likely than not probably know. you'd need four Republican senators to join forces with Democrats Mr Push for witnesses and we just haven't seen four Republican senators come forward if there's a tie on calling witnesses. Though couldn't chief justice John Roberts break it. Well yes he could but whether he would or not. That's the question if there were three. Republicans who joined the Democrats voting for witnesses. You'd have a fifty fifty tie. The chief justice can break the tie but the big question is does he want to. He hasn't really wanted to get involved. He's been described. What does a substitute teacher Because he just doesn't want to wade into the politics of this if he doesn't wait and then of course and it's a tie then then the call for witnesses fails thank you for this update. That's Mara Liasson. She's NPR's national political correspondent. Well here in Iowa there are just four days left until the caucuses which are crucial for this crowded field of Democrats hoping to be President and joining me now to look at the state of the race in Iowa is Christopher Budd bud cysts. WHO's associate professor of politics? Laurus College in Dubuque. He runs the Loris pull welcome. Thanks for having me. So we're four days out what are the polls tell you right now about the state of the race. Well one thing I think we can take away from. The state of the race is that there's some volatility and uncertainty. I think we're in for really really interesting. I probably probably cold Monday night here on February third. But it's definitely is shaping up to be a very interesting race if you want to look at the horse race. So who's up. WHO's down WHO's ahead? WHO's behind I think you turn then to some of the polling averages and what you see there in places like real clear politics is Senator Sanders on top Vice President Biden close behind and then a pack jack of a Mirror Pete and Senator Warren in three and four position than Amy Klobuchar trying to close the gap there in in fifth? Why does there seem to be so much variation in the polls or or is there more than there has been in years past? I don't think there's more than in years past I think One thing is to look at the average is like I mentioned and then the real story in the last couple of weeks here in Iowa I would have been how come some of the polls have shown different results. So we've had a couple most recently that have shown Vice President Biden on top but a majority have shown that Senator Sanders is on top. And I think some of the reasons or how the samples are drawn so another words you know where do they where do they draw their respondents. From how do they define things like who's a likely likely caucus goer and I think when you start digging down into the details of some of these polls you really do see some of the things that we should be looking for on Monday night. So who's going to show up. What is the age demographics? What's the composition of ideology? So I think one of the things you see in those is that when upholster has used a tighter heider type of frame to determine who's likely caucus goer that's tended to benefit Vice President Biden. And when it's a looser more open frame it's tended to favor Senator Sanders now. The KOCHS are very different than primary voting. People have to publicly support the candidates and then realign if their candidate of choice doesn't get at least fifteen fifteen percent of the room given that how accurate are the polls. Well I think one of the things you're going to see this year other than which is different than any other year we've had which is that. The Democratic Democratic Party has announced that they're going to release raw vote. Totals so in the past. You know if you were a Martin o'malley supporter in twenty sixteen right. You're the kind of forgotten person because if you look at the results it was like as though government. Yeah Governor o'malley didn't even exist but I can tell you I saw him on the on the stump he was there. There were people standing up in different places but we didn't have the raw vote totals so we'll actually be able to better gauge the polls This year because they will tell us. Here's the number of people who supported this candidate on the first vote. Here's how many people supported. What'd this candidate on the second vote? So we'll actually get a better gauge of how accurate the polls are this year but then you also have multiple people coming out and saying I want IA absolutely. I think that's the flip side of it. You're absolutely absolutely right that because we're going to get the raw data I think you're gonNA see more stories coming out from the campaign saying look. We beat our expectations. We might not have gotten delegates but we the increased where we were in our polls and so. I think you're GONNA see more campaigns making an argument based upon on their performance in terms of vote totals in addition to whenever whatever the delegate discussions so Bernie Sanders is stuck in Washington along with some other candidates for the impeach trump but he did call in During the trial in a break into an Iowa a rally that was happening for him and he said if the turnout is high we do well. And if the turnout is low we don't what do do we know about likely turnout based on. You said it's going to be cold. Yeah it's always cold than I saw in February so that's kind of a given I. I do think that that if you look at turnout turn out. And and who the likely electorate is going to be Senator Sanders according to the polls is doing particularly well with people who caucus with him in the past so these are people who are familiar with the sort of Arcane Rules of democratic caucus going and who are also showing still high levels of enthusiasm for the senator so those kind of repeat caucus goers seem to be very strong for for senator under sanders if he had them before The enthusiasm level according to the polls are pretty strong with with the the sanders. Folks that bodes well into his favor and the biggest story I think think of this is going to be. What is the age demographic of the electorate because if you look poll after poll after poll even those who might show some difference at the top of the results they're still L. showing this tremendous generation gap within the Democratic Caucus goers so he does best amongst younger voters Biden? vice-president Biden does best amongst those who who are older so I think that's going to be part of the story so if turnout's really high especially in places around universities and things like that I think that would be a good night for Senator Senator Sanders. So pollster your prediction one two and three I you know on the whole drive over here. I was thinking you're GonNa ask me that. I would suspect it's going to be a pretty good night for Senator Sanders. I think the most volatile result is probably a vice president Biden If KLOBUCHAR senator not viable doesn't reach that fifteen percent threshold shoulder precincts than I think. Biden could have a really good night if she is able to push through or mere pushes through He could find himself falling down to third place that is Christopher Budd says associate professor of politics at Laurus College. Thank you so much for joining us. Yeah my pleasure anytime and stay tuned because we're also going to hear today from candidate candidate Pete. Buddha judge why sat down with yesterday in Mason City Iowa. If you missed that on air you can find it at here and now dot and I'm broadcasting from Iowa today and our next guest knows how much what happens here can mean for a presidential candidacy. Let me take you back to two thousand four. And maybe the sound soundbite of the year from former Vermont governor Howard. Dean's Iowa rally in a hotel ballroom in Des Moines. We're going to South Carolina and Oklahoma and Arizona. Aw North Dakota and New Mexico to California and Texas you are going to South Dakota and Oregon and Washington Michigan. And then we're going to take back the White House Dean finished third in the two thousand four Democratic Caucus but what it became known as the Dean scream overshadowed the results and he dropped out of the race a few weeks later John Kerry ended up winning Iowa. And then you Hampshire and the momentum it was just too much for anyone else to get in. The way of Dean went on to serve as chairman of the Democratic National Committee and had to be neutral in the bitter contest between Barack Obama Dhamma Hillary Clinton in two thousand and eight in that Race Obama won Iowa and then Hillary Clinton won New Hampshire which was followed by months of competitive primaries raise. Well Howard Dean joins us now from New York Governor Dean Welcome. Thanks for having me on. Well how important is Iowa as someone who was once a candidate and and Made all the headlines on the night of the Iowa caucus the most headlines of anybody that ever came in third I was pretty important for two. She reasons I it is a test of organization if you I was neutral when I was when Hillary and Barack Obama ran against each other because I was was the chairman of the Democratic Party and when Obama won an Iowa I realized he could not only win but I realized he couldn't be president because the organizational effort that it takes to win requires tremendous organizing. And so that's part number one number two is you get a boost from finishing I It gets you name recognition you particularly. Get a boost. If you're not somebody who is the favourite and you finished first but you think they'll have a leg up on all the rest of the competition if they win Iowa We'll see I'd rather win at the not. Let's put it that way. A leg up sounds a little strong. I was not the end of the process is only the beginning of the process but it certainly helps helps to get off to a good start in any endeavor that you want to take on when you talk about organization as you look at the candidates right now. Who's got the edge in organization in Iowa? I I'll all I can do is repeat gossip because I haven't been out to Iowa but I'd say the top four Plus Club HR probably have the Best Organization Nation Warren Judge Sanders Biden. And then closer to our I would say those five have organizations that are fairly Deeply penetrating into islands consciousness on the ground which matters more than television. How many tickets out of Iowa do you think there are for presidential candidate this year? Maybe more than usual the usual saying they're three tickets out of Iowa. You had to finish in the top three and in fact. That was true after New Hampshire eliminated the rest of the field Edwards carry an eye traipsed around for a while before before I dropped out and it was consistent it was carry. I Edward Second and third obviously Shaun Edwards and our hoping things. We're going to be different but they weren't this year. There might right before five tickets out of I would because the top four essentially tied. And so who knows what's GonNa Happen. Plus you start with twenty one candidates. We'll and actually one of the things that that I've heard from voters is well. They I guess they is like. The Democratic Party should have allowed so many candidates to hard to follow the candidates think otherwise wise. You are well aware right. They are upset that we had any kind of criteria at all What we didn't want was the farce? That was going on in the Republican Party in two thousand Sixteen Dean And we didn't want people which also went on their Publican party in two thousand sixteen were three reasonably well respectable people. Who didn't it didn't make any effort at all except show up to the base George? Pataki Gilmore former governor of Virginia and Rick Santorum. They didn't do anything except show up at the debate that it's not a serious campaign. I don't think the Democrats are obvious. are obliged to have People who aren't serious on the stage but we got criticized even for doing what we did Next year I think we're going next round we're going to have to of course re look at that again. What do you think the changes would be if you were to make changes now to the process based on what you're seeing this year and what we saw changes the process? I first of all. I'd move Iowa New Hampshire somewhere else. I mean this is. These are two states. I think it's the third and the fifth most whitest whitest states in the country are party doesn't look like that. Our party is diverse It's a young and it's email So I I don't WanNA knock. I Hiwa Hampshire out of the process altogether because I strongly believe that small states need to go first so that people can actually eyeball candidates and their bankroll getting on television. That's that's not what influences our nominees process but I do think we do need to have a more smaller states. As when I was chairman I added Nevada and South Carolina because because they're so much so diverse like our party. So I think we need to rotate state. Small states around. There's probably some others New Mexico Oklahoma which are big geographically. We're not very big population-wise nationwide's those are the kinds of states. You WanNa have including Iowa New Hampshire but not necessarily I all the time. Do you think that that's going to be possible though to to move Iowa New Hampshire out of the first position. Because in the case of New Hampshire at least they have a law that says they half of it really irrelevant. I mean you know. The chairman controls the rules committee. Points the rules committee and the Rules Committee decides what the rules are. Not This chess secretary of state in a Hampshire. New Hampshire is a particularly bad problem. Because not only are the demographics bad but with the Republican majority. We already passed a bill to suppress college students votes which passed and was was supported by the Republican. Supreme Court at New Hampshire So the young people are one of our core constituents for us to start the first primary off in a state where our constituencies are deliberately disenfranchised. By what I would consider corrupt legislature. So I don't see any obligation that the Democratic Party has the start off in a state that doesn't look anything like Our Party and that suppresses one of the most important voting groups for Democrats so having said that what do you think of Michael Bloomberg's a strategy of skipping the early states focusing all the energy on Super Tuesday. Well you know we just. I have to see how it works. I have a lot of respect for my Michael Bloomberg as a politician as a human being. this is an incredibly unorthodox strategy. I don't really think that you can win the Democratic nomination without a strong ground effort and he could build one and he's you know he's his operation is first rate So it's a novel way of doing. It's never been done before and I think we'll just have to see what happens. Why do you think at least based on the polls right now that it does really look like a jump ball in the early states in in general you know? The party is undergoing huge change And Young voters are coming to the fore. If you look at two thousand seventeen and Nineteen Virginia in two thousand eighteen Our Party Are The people who are now electing not just our voter base but we are now electing electing people who look like our Party We are much younger much darker and much more female. If you look at the photos of the Freshman Congress Chris People in the freshman legislators in over those two years in Virginia. We're transforming the country or the trump out of the country's transforming us which just more likely and we're electing people who look like and think like Americans and That's what the future of the Party is. And that's GonNa continue so if we do nominate eight Somebody who's my age That's a holding pattern. But they're going to have to appeal to these other groups and ultimately these other groups are going to be the ones that are in power just as they are now now getting power in state legislatures and Congress. Do you think that this nominating process could go to the convention this year. It always good. I mean everybody writes about that every year or every four years and the last time it happened with nineteen fifty two So generally what happens is somebody gets momentum because they win a few primaries in some significant primaries develops lead and they become the nominee before they get to the convention. We did come fairly close when I was chair in two thousand eight Obama and Hillary a really didn't that race wasn't decided until June so it could happen but I wouldn't waste a lot of time. Reading speculative stories about because again it hasn't happened since nineteen fifty two. Are you worried about divisions within the party that you're seeing on display in some cases right now well they don't have to be any divisions unless people want there to be divisions Yes this is a competitive process so far I think is going reasonably. Well obviously the some of the skirmishes past couple of weeks. It's not been terribly good. But you know the divisiveness depends on the candidates. If they want to be divisive they'll be divisive and if they want to help the country they'll do the right thing. I just tell you to second story so when I it was losing and ha ha and having I was the I was the lead candidate for a long time since from about September to About three weeks before. The Iowa caucuses Mrs I was was leading the pack and the other candidates of course did some work together to try to bring me out of this part of politics. I was very bitter about. I was furious and in Wisconsin which turned out to be my last primary. I was furious at Al Gore who had endorsed be called me and he said I saw I rant and rave for about fifteen minutes at midnight and finally ray patiently listened finally said you know how this is really about the country. It's not about you now. I was so angry that the only person that ever could have said that was Al Gore. Who was really screwed out of presents? The United States by a court that was way out of bounds and deeply partisan listen for Al Gore to tell me that really just like a shot to the jaw. We owe this country something and we don't owe ourselves so whoever's ever GONNA lose this race better get in line if they care about the country and if they don't get in line they don't care about the country that's all I have to say about it. Who Do you think is going to win Iowa? I've no idea yeah absolutely none zero. I mean look you know as well as I do. This new poll leader every third week. Who who knows that is Howard Dean? The former former governor of Vermont former chair of the Democratic National Committee. Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me on Super Bowl fifty. I four kicks off Sunday night in Miami and the game pits the Kansas City chiefs against the San Francisco Forty niners and this game is being called one of the most compelling title match chops in years for more on why we have with us Mike Pesca here now. Sports analyst and host of the daily podcast the gist at slate dot com and Mike. The last time the Kansas City chiefs want super bowl was in nineteen. Seventy we know how good of a team. The forty niners are both are known for their dynamic offense. How excited are you for this match up? Well I would say Kansas City certainly back then had a bud grant and the Minnesota Vikings number. I don't know if long when it comes to that. How excited am I just talk about the football in a second? Then I'll get to my emotions. It's very interesting because both of these teams have excellent offenses but they have an excellent dylan offenses in different ways whereas Kansas City is just throw throw throw and they scored seven consecutive touchdowns on the Championship Game Conference Championship. Game Him to get here. San Francisco avoids the pass. I kind of think their coach Kyle Shanahan is a little fearful of what could be unleashed if he just lets. Jimmy Garoppolo quarterback go for it but they have such a good run offense that they can be balanced. And I'm very intrigued by just think. San Francisco's defense offenses lot. Better and Nick Bozo will be the best defensive player on the field so as far as sports analysis. That's that and that's why it's exciting emotions of of how exciting story yes. Yeah well I'll go ahead. I'm just wondering if history matters at all this season because the forty niners have five super super bowl titles as I said the chief just have one from fifty years ago. It doesn't really because the players on this team weren't of course on any of those teams in the nineteen seventies right. If history matters matters Kyle Shanahan is the coach of the forty niners and he's been to the super bowl so as Andy Reebok alshon blue. That tremendous lied when he was offensive. Ends of coordinator of the Falcons against the Patriots and his dad. Mike Shanahan has been there. So there's a little bit of history there but here's what I'm thinking and it's just a feeling and a little less excited than I thought I I would be. And there are two reasons one is. It seems to me that when the Patriots were in the Super Bowl almost every year the entire nfl sort of revolved around the Patriots. And you had sake and anyone when beat them but this year. They weren't that good and they were a non factor and so then fans were saying. Well the Baltimore Ravens. They seem to be the best team but they lost in the playoffs and they didn't even lose is to the team. That's in the Super Bowl. So you add it all up and not take anything away from these teams. It just wasn't the teams that you really are. I wanted really in there to concoct a story line around but the other thing again. This is subjective. I feel that most years. Sometimes they're on great matchups in the Super Bowl but there's such a hype Extravaganza Avid Ganda. That you can talk yourself into it or imbibe all the coverage in the week before and this year with the death of Kobe Bryant really just catch the ball on at least the first few weeks I covered eight super bowls. You'd go down to radio row. Everyone would be talking. XS AND OS and Super Bowl for the first two days listening to the coverage. It's all a reflection on Kobe. Bryant so so I think it's been a little bit of a truncated week. Maybe in the next couple of days I'll start to get very hyped for this Sunday matchup but you speak to something that we've all been thinking about over the last few days the death of Kobe Bryant and the death of the other eight. I know you guys have been talking a lot about it. Yeah yeah as I've said before yeah usually mean someone who's so much bigger bigger than the game but he was transcended in cultural way that I don't think we really realized until he passed away. Mike pesca thank you so much for joining us. You're welcome and I am coming to you. From Cedar Falls Iowa today with just four days left until the first votes are cast in the presidential primary. The Iowa caucuses offices are a chance for candidates to get a big boost heading into a marathon of primaries and caucuses over the next couple of months get enough momentum out of Iowa and a candidate can be hard to stop. That's what former South Bend Indiana Mayor Pete. Buddha judge is hoping for he and former vice president. Joe Biden are the only two top tier candidates who are not stuck in Washington this week for the impeachment trial and as a result yesterday Buddha judge criss crossed the state holding five town hall meetings. We followed him and got a few minutes of his time right before a town hall in Mason City people to judge. Thank you so much for joining us so this is a crucial moment in this campaign in right now could be the beginning could be the end. How does it feel right now? Well we've been at it for a year. We started with an exploratory committee with four people and no personal personal fortune and not a lot of name recognition. And we've come to this point where now in a few days. We will have an opportunity to not just tell that show our ability L. D. to mount the campaign organization could go onto defeat Donald trump. So it's exciting. It's intense and the energy on the ground is just electric. One of the things that keeps coming up with your campaign is support among African Americans. Do you think that you can be the nominee of the Democratic Party without not just support but enthusiastic CIASTON support from black voters. Well that's exactly what we're working to build and the black voters who know me best in south bend or supporting the president more than in parts of the country where I'm not well known One thing that we can do in Iowa where the minority community is smaller but is energized and activated is to demonstrate the breadth of our reach here and of course we need to carry that into into other states especially as we look to the West in the South South Carolina. Do you think that you've made enough inroads over the last many months with black voters there. Well you know the relationship that I have is obviously informed over months rather than decades so there's stiff competition among voters who want to have a very pragmatic sense of candidate. Who can win? But I do believe that we have what it takes in order to be competitive in South Carolina and in the other early states. What do you think has been the problem? So far is it name idea and just people just don't know you is that your sexual Laurean tation which has been brought up especially with black voters in the past. But I don't think it's fair to pin homophobe or any phobia on one community. We know that we've had the challenge of introducing ourselves to voters who are rightly skeptical after a sense of having been taken for granted by even or especially democratic politicians. It's one of the reasons why candidates including African American candidates struggle to break out of the single digits among black voters in the south but also believe when we have an opportunity to demonstrate our ability to win. And the first chance to do that of course on the ground is right here in Iowa that opens up a possibility for us in the south to. I wanted to ask you about something else the New New York Times when they endorsed Your rivals Elizabeth Warren and Amy Club. They wrote this about you. His showing in the lead up to the primaries predicts a bright political political future we look forward to him working his way up. What did you think when you saw that when you're young and run for office it's not unusual to be patted on the head until you're the future Richard but this election for me is not only about the future? It's about the president. It's about where we are right now and the fact that right now is our chance to defeat Donald trump that we only get one shot and that every retired party has actually won in the last fifty years it's been with a nominee who represents something new a new generation of voice from outside Washington and Generally somebody somebody who's new on the national scene to we gotta make sure that we're prepared to win and prepared to govern and I'm not running because I'm interested in being president someday. I'm running because this moment almond calls for what I have to offer. What about people who say you need to put in your time I? I would point to the experience. I have certainly the youngest candidate running for president right now but also at argued that the experience of guiding transformation of a so-called rust belt city the exact kind of community that our party has struggled connected. Even though we have the better policies that's experiences INSYS can be pretty useful in the Oval Office as well as running for president and also. I think it's a good time for somebody who actually knows what it is to be sent into war on the orders of president to be the in the situation room on that note. Let me just ask you. The Pentagon now says fifty U S servicemembers suffered traumatic brain injuries in that had strike from Iran on US forces that were based in Iraqi military base. That was in response to the killing of General Suleimani. Do you think President President trump was right not to retaliate for that attack. Especially given that we know that now fifty service members were injured in a serious way. Well we know that deescalation is the key not to next steps with Iran but we also know that it turned out to be incorrect That nobody was impacted or injured by those attacks being anywhere near the blast zone of a ballistic realistic. Missile is very serious and the fact that the president turned around and said that These were not serious. Injuries or conflicted with headaches is just one one more example of why we need somebody in that office who actually has some sense of the experiences and the dangers that our people in uniform face so what would your response be now now now that we know that these injuries happened. Well the biggest responses to make sure that we are safe on the road ahead remember. We still got troops deployed across the Middle East and they are vulnerable not only to direct attacks action. Rerun Lake that one but the effect of proxy warfare which is actually Iran's preferred method of engagement. It's a very twenty first century challenge. That's not going and to have easy answers but requires that. We're not only making sure we do. What's necessary from force protection? Perspective and a deterrence perspective but engaging our partners and allies in the international community who share our goal of peace instability in the region. Finally and. I know that you've got to get out there to this waiting crowd here in Iowa if you win in Iowa next week or if you come in second or even third in Iowa next week are you going to go straight to New Hampshire or are you going to go elsewhere. You've got Michael Bloomberg waiting there to compete compete against whoever comes out of here in the Super Tuesday states. What's Your Plan New Hampshire? You can expect to head right to New Hampshire. As soon as the Iowa caucuses are complete. We feel very strong strong energy on the ground there as well. We got fantastic support and need to make sure on there to close the New Hampshire voters and then look to the road ahead through Nevada South Carolina and honored people the judge. Thanks so much. Good luck on the trail. Thanks good to be with you on the other side of a wall from the small kitchen where we spoke was a room with a couple of hundred people anxiously waiting to to hear from the candidate. Many are undecided. Voters which matters in the Iowa caucuses because supporters of any candidate who doesn't get at least fifteen percent in the first round of voting can make a second choice. There are also die hard supporters of Pete. Buddha judge like volunteer Terry Hale who we met after a town hall in Ames. I'm supporting heat heaped now for the same reasons that he won me over with A year ago in February was the first time I saw him. He's smart. He has a well thought out. Answer took any question that he's asked his composure his calmness he is the antithesis of Donald Trump. He is everything that Donald Trump is not. I call him a realistic progressive. He has bowled plans. But they're sensible. If we'RE GONNA win the election we have to be able to track Disenchanted the chances Republicans and independence. And because Pete is not polarizing in the policies is putting forth is stands a good chance of attracting disenchanted Republicans Republicans and independence when you go into that caucus in a few days after the first round. Let's say Pete makes it through the first round who you're going to go go after for the second round people. Who Do you think as you've talked to other? Voters would be willing to come on board with Buddha judge but aren't going to support them the first time. Well well when we've been up canvassing if Pete's not number one he's generally among the top three particularly with Biden and Kloba Char supporters. I would say so. I think we're going to go for a first of all anybody that we happen to know. And then we'll just start working the room as I mentioned attend. Any KLOBUCHAR is one of the senators unable to campaign in Iowa right now because she has to be in Washington for the Senate impeachment trial but just before the trial got underway. Yesterday day. She did a twenty five minute interview with Iowa Public Radio and then spoke with me. I have a constitutional duty to be part of this trial and I can't think of anything. More Important Horton to be doing right now. You know. I'm a competitive person. Do I wish I was back Going to every town hall meeting I could sure I have those moments but the fact that we're you're able to take that one break when we got out a little early get back. I told everyone I would turn into a Pumpkin by midnight and I got back to the trial. And that's what I'm GonNa have to Ado. We've done three Tele townhalls. I have the most endorsements of legislators in former legislators in the state of Iowa than anyone else in the race and so I have surrogates circuits out there all the time including my own daughter and husband and we're pretty excited about the momentum or seeing just got a poll Emerson poll this week that showed we were in third place So I'm surging at this moment and I just have to hope that this grassroots process is going to work and that people understand Dan of that because of my constitutional duty to be at this impeachment hearing I am not going to be able to be there Every moment of the day and I think people out there American INSKIP that part of my interview with Amy Klobuchar. The World Health Organization is meeting today to decide whether the corona virus outbreak is a global health. Both emergency it says that there are nearly eight thousand confirmed cases in mainland China the virus has spread to eighteen countries in the. US officials have confirmed the first first person to person spread in Illinois and airlines have been cancelling flights to China. We've learned all of this through media reports but in communist controlled China there. There is often a hold on how much information the general public receives Beijing's. Great firewall is used to regulate the Internet blocking access to many foreign websites for more. We're joined now by Kerry Alan China media analyst at the BBC High-calorie. Hi Tania So Carrie. What kind of information are Chinese News Consumer Sumer getting about Corona virus right now? Well the government is giving a lot of transparencies to people. Also they're seeing up-to-date maps showing where provinces municipalities autonomous honest regions are being affected the hearing very very specific details about which roads closed door With shops closed for example so a lot of transparency is being given to people by the day to has that always been the case over the last few weeks it has been increasingly but when this current a virus I started there were very very few reports whatsoever. There was still a lot of questions about one entirely. This virus was we didn't hear anything whatsoever. In December. I came back from Christmas and this was a new story to me. I'm curious Is there a differentiation for Chinese news consumers between commercial and party media Do they prefer one of the other. When they're looking for information on the corona virus? It's difficult because China's media is so saturated by state owned companies companies and China has long term really phased out commercial media by by threatening advertisers really. So what's increasingly happened and and this happened a long time ago in mainland China but is increasingly happening now in Hong Kong is that advertisers are being told if you advertise with pro-democracy papers then we could limit your Your company's impact within the mainland. So a lot of banks for example. They're very fearful. That mainland China could stop their business could force them out of the country and so independent media and commercial media have really been struggling. It literally could happen within twenty four hours. They could just be shut down their website. Taken offline we've been hearing reports. That folks have been very vocal about the information that they received a back in December and early January And of course it makes us think back to two thousand the early two thousands when China was really humiliated After trying to cover up the SARS outbreak that year How a different has the media's responsible and this time in comparison to the SARS outbreak given the timing of this that it happened during Spring Festival which is China's normally happiest time of the year? It's the equivalent of Christmas. Those a lot of positivity a lot of media coverage right from the top playing down the idea that this was another saws and this this time I mean we have to consider that. Social media's come a long way so people are being given a lot more transparency in terms of what they can physically see so I mean one one example being the the two hospitals are being built within a week that people can watch the live stream so they feel that the government is actually doing a lot to handle this and these hospitals. Does your everyday people can log on not only in China or overseas and see them being built in real time. That's really interesting. How how does Beijing's the great firewall come into play here? In regulating the Internet folks have access to Of course government media what about commercial media. Well well there have been some independent media reports that have been appearing in China book again because it was Spring Festival I I was quite surprised to see not as not all as big as a restriction as I normally see with a major event like this so I mean one of the things we factor in his the joint Spring Festival everybody in China goes on holiday and that includes the a senses who are normally very rigorous in removing content. That they see as the anti-government so there was a sense of panic. Eliane especially during this time during the The holiday period. That's that a lot of people were seeing or the people's concerns and panicked because people weren't being told what this virus was an and and whether it could be transmitted person to person then. Yeah we've actually heard that On the website. That is very much like a twitter site here It's a micro blogging site. I think it's way Bo that Chinese people were venting about the way. The government is handling the outbreak What kind of information are people sharing sharing or are able to share online? You're saying that they're receiving a lot of information from the government but What about being able to be critical online or talk with each other about about the details of their hearing? Well there's been a lot more of that so I mean one news website is quite liberal. For example the paper has been doing live streams and it's normally wouldn't be allowed and they've been talking to people in Wuhan who for example. One video that I saw were some people arriving at a train station hoping to travel and finding being out the old travel was suspended out of the region and then complaining saying that they weren't told anything about this also within the government's meteor it self i. I've seen quite surprising. Think normally very pro-government newspapers saying they feel that this wasn't handled enough so so even state newspapers actually turning on the government and saying that this wasn't controlled in time but also I mean the censorship restrictions store very much in place that people can't access international media especially if it's Chinese language language that scary Allen Chinese media analyst at the BBC Kerry thank you thank you hear now is production of NPR WB. You are in association action with the BBC World Service. I'm Tanya mostly. I'm Jerry Hobson. This is here
Fight Back, Make a Scene # 929
"Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show. That's not immune to the facts with your host. Dan, Bongino, five. Welcome to Dan Bongino, show producer, Joe. How are you today? Hey, man. I'm glad to be here with you, Dan. How you doing babe? Good me major blow out last night on the Ingram angle where I was on FOX. And we'll we'll get to that. Listen, I'm not lying down anymore. Neither should you enough of this Bs and others crap. I'm not going to sit there and listen anymore. Neither should you. Two left this hacks idiots on the air and elsewhere calling us racists xenophobes Islamophobes. And everything you want to sit back and take it fine. But I'm not your guy, maybe this show, isn't for you. But I'm done taking it. So I'm going to go into this in the beginning of the show today. Also got some other news yesterday from Chuck Ross over the daily caller about some more. Just stunning information in this whole scandal monumental mammoth like scandal too. Try to attack and spy on the Trump team. Just amazing stuff. Let's get right to it today show brought to you by buddies at filter by hey, according to the CDC about seven million people are getting hit with the flu this year. Many think getting sick has to do with the coal, but that's false. They get sick. Because they spend more time insider exposed to higher concentrations of viruses and pollutants including the cold and flu virus. If you want to improve your chances this season start by improving the quality of your air with filter by change out my filters filter by to America's leading provider, h vac filters for homes and small businesses. This is one of those things. It's so easy to kick down the kick the can down the road on you need. Good quality earning house, they spend all my time indoors, you don't wanna breathe polluted air you have to change your air filters. Why not use a company? That's here. Wants to talk to you and produces great products right here in America. 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He died quite heroin over there, obviously in the war. But my grandmother was a great woman. I learned a lot of lessons from our and one of the things she had these sayings. They were kind of funny. She was she was all she was Irish at the, you know, the day of these grades things all the time. And whatever sayings always was don't you make a scene, don't you? And really what she was saying job was she was saying control yourself in public. It always like we'd be in church. She used to live in town, New Jersey after she moved out of New York, and we would go to this church, and they had this section of top for grandparents, and parents would kids in case, you started screaming and yelling. So given that me and my younger brothers were always rabble-rousers. She would take us upstairs in case things got out of control. And she would always look next. Look at me and say, you know, don't you make a scene? Don't you make a scene, and I never forgot that. I love my grandmother. I leaned Sadler to death. But ladies and gentlemen, that advice was great when I was a kid, but it's not great anymore. It's time to make a scene. We are under attack by the left in some cases, literally I want to be hyperbolic at a want to exaggerate it. There's a lot of maga- hat wearing people who luckily haven't been punched in the face yet. But the incidents of this happening and aggressive violence towards Trump's supporters, aggressive confrontation of Trump's supporters, the character defamation ritual character defamation of Trump's supporters is entirely out of control Joe. And I'm worried what the end point of this is. Now last night. I was on Ingram angle in a debate. Which star park owes a friend of mine with a liberal. I don't even ought to describe this guy. He was just out of control. We're talking about a guy who lost it on the Ingram angle guy named Leo terell who happens to be a lawyer who I thought I made a a reasonable point in the beginning of the show, and he decided that he was going to engage in again ritual character defamation of Donald Trump Trump is a racist. You're basically racist for offending Trump. Everybody's racist your dad's a racist your mom's racist your family's racist. You're racist as a racist. There. Everybody was a racist. And you know, I hate playing clips of myself on the show because some of you saw it last night to be redundant. So we're just going to take a small snippet of how this ended at the end. And listen, I'm not celebrating it. I wish these things wouldn't go down these pass. I certainly didn't initiate this. But you're going to start a fight. Then I'm damn well going to end it Joe play that of me confronting Leo terell last night to insist that President Trump and his supporters are racist or frayed of Trump. Okay. Trump though. Trump though. Anybody I'm afraid of idiots. I Lyon down anymore. And you shouldn't either. Leo, you're afraid of Trump now. Leo, I'm afraid of idiots, and that's why getting on the air with guys like you. You know, I'm bringing this up because there's this ongoing argument that some of you most of you have very busy lives. And I appreciate you listening to this show to get a one hour summation, I summary of the day's news because you have lives you go to work. You have important lives. You do important work. You're raising important kids, your children, your family matters to you. You don't have the time every day to read through the entire Wall Street Journal and six thousand pages of Breitbart conservative review and drudge every day you need a quick summary. And I'm honored that you come here. But there's a fight going on that you may have missed and this fight is between this wing of the Republican party there. I don't want to call them never Trump anymore there. I'll call them just basically Trump haters. They don't they don't want to say never Trump anymore. But they just can't stand Trump. There's this fight brewing right now. And it kind of boiled over this weekend at CPAC, and I bring it up in light of that that cut I just played on Ingram because this branch of the Republican party is convinced if we roll over in lie down, and we listen to people like Leo terell. And we just sit back and take it when they call us racist and ritually defame our characters on national television. I one of the most popular shows that somehow we're going to be seen in the end as the rational reasonable ones, and we'll win this moral and ethical war and win people over. No, no that's over folks. It's over the left is not care. They are not trying to win. Win any kind of moral or ethical war. They're not trying to get to the top of the moral totem pole. They are trying to destroy you. You can choose to fight back or you can choose to lose. There is no option c. I bring it up in light of what happened with that debate. And what happened at CPAC because there are Republicans out that are convinced absolutely convinced if you just sit back and take it that this is the right path in the long run. I read another article sworn in the Washington Examiner website. I really enjoy they do good work. It's like the Wall Street Journal that aren't always aligned with my conservative values. But that's fine. Unlike some of the Trump hating wing of the party, I'm open to other ideas, even when I disagree with them. But there was a piece in the Washington Examiner. Swing again, taking a shot at CPAC CPAC, the conservative political action conference where there was some very aggressive talk from people up there, not all of whom I disagree with some I disagree with their business practice, but nonetheless, people who got up there Joe and went for it took the fight to the left and said, I'm not taking this anymore. I'm not lying down it stops here. Now right now. And instead of understanding that that aggressive posture is needed to fight back against the far left radical movement that is not intent on winning a moral war. They simply wanted destroy you and Donald Trump. What do they do? These these sell out Republicans turn their attack on CPAC CPAC, what a disgraceful event. Oh my gosh. You had all of these horrible people there. Michelle Malkin, Charlie Kirk Candice, all they're all so awful, keep in mind, these are people with actual audiences who whether you agree or disagree or you agree with their speech or disagree. You're certainly free to challenge things they say have actual audiences and may be able to move the needle with people who are actually willing to fight back while you languish what your two thousand followers on Twitter writing articles about the laugher. I love that stuff. Joe of we not argued and debated economics on this show for now the close to I don't know three four years you've been doing this this. So does facts it does data all the time all the time. Yeah. But that has to be measured with an with with with a sense of what tactical efficiency is. And if you think it's tactically officiant to lay down why for the Democrats while they call us racist, and fools and sit there and try to take some kind of moral high wrote, man or you in the wrong fight. This is trench warfare. What did you think? This was Robert's rules of auto gonna lineup low German. Oh, that's fine for Neil. No. No. No. No. No. No. No, no. That's over folks sets over we're in a year of bankrupting, Christian bakers and Flores class warfare, socialism, the death and destruction associated with it government takeovers of healthcare bankrupting of private businesses the administration the prior one the Obama administration disagreed with. And you want Robert's rules of order, you are in the wrong war, brother and sister. You are fighting yesterday's war today. You think I'm making this up really that CPAC things. Unbelievable. I cannot believe how many Republicans have dedicated mounds of Inc. An internet space in a website to attacking one of the largest conservative conferences in the country where actual people show up. I can't believe it. Joe you, and I have been there with Joe, you would have had confrontations at CPAC would be we disagreed with. That point is actually people there it'll show up. Maybe it's time to turn your fire on the left. Maybe turn the canons around. I'm not taking it. I love doing those FOX. And I know fear of a liberal debate at all. But I go on the air with Leo or anyone else you drop that racism bomb that try to defame me and anyone else you are going to get it back. You're afraid of Trump's Twitter. No, I'm afraid of idiots. And that guy is a lead member is a Colonel in the idiot brigade. Trump's a racist. There is no evidence of that. At all you just want the headline. That's all you want the sculpting. Daniel. Now, you think this sends? Yeah. But there's a lot of listeners men -cluded brother that have been waiting to hear this come out of your mouth your mouth for a long time a long time. And thank you for. I. Yes, sir. It matters. I mean last night. Thank you, Dan. You know, I was tired. But I wasn't. You know, I I was I wanted to do the head. I didn't have do it. You know, FOX doesn't obligate you to do any. I mean within reason to do anything. If you want to say, no you can. I mean, the appearance I don't mean to talking industry charge. But I wanted to do the appearance even though I knew Leo would be on there. And I knew Leo was a bomb thrower. But I've gotta tell you like twenty seconds into that thing when I saw where he was going. I just I made a conscious decision. I'm not no, I'm not doing this. And you know, I'll tell you folks, I'd rather be. I'd rather be on my own doing my thing knowing that the base of people out there who understand this guerilla warfare. Now are now looking for fighters. I would rather get your Pat on the back in the local diner that go in there than to have all the Republican Trump hating intelligence intelligentsia who think they're smarter than the rest of us. Celebrate me and they're stupid articles. I don't want it. I don't care. I. Told my wife exactly that last night. Believe me it hurts. I don't pretend to have a thick skin. I don't. It arts. It doesn't feel good. When the when when when the thinking class and believe me, I'm using that term is a pejorative here of the Republican party who have failed us for decades when the thinking class attacks you in their pieces, oh, he's unserious. Really? I was protecting presidents and cracking international fraud rings with the secret service linked to terrorism while you were fetching coffee for your bosses, you know, at the weekly standard hard pass on your opinion jackass. It stinks. When they write about you. But I mean, this when I tell you the fact that the listeners to my show when I see you I get a handshake from you and awaken a nod at the gym when you look at me on that elliptical machine you go, thanks. That means more to me than the pages of the weekly standard or whatever. Other Trump hating bullwork, whatever nonsense magazine that writes. Oh my gosh. These guys I don't know what they're doing. We're doing a moment where winning. I'm not lying down anymore. And I want to celebrate a couple other people who aren't lying down either. I heard a story yesterday about Perry. High school in Arizona. Couple teenagers. Joe showed up wherein maga- hats with the Trump flag to celebrate some kind of a celebration of America day, you would think celebrating the American president on some celebration of America day would be accepted in a high school in Arizona. Yeah. Well, of course, it wasn't the principal thought. It would be a good idea to throw them out of the school. So the parents taking the we're not lying down approach anymore. And again, I love my grandmother, but her don't make a scene. No, no, you make a scene. Now, you make a scene every single time. And my grandmother was a fighter. That's not what she meant by don't make a seed if she was alive right now. She'd be telling me you damn well-made Casin, those parents didn't take Joe that make don't make a scene nonsense when they showed up at that school whipped out their cell phone cameras confronted that principle and a minister enersen, why was my kid toss that a school for wearing this maga- hat and watch him stutter and stammer. Do it Oba you do that every time you make a scene you call everybody you tweet about it. You call the local press, you tweet the president you tweet. Don, jR, anyone else who will highlight your story, you humiliating embarrassing these people because that's exactly what they did to you. Take Robert's rules of order and throw it in your fire. Place. This is guerrilla war. Now. They wanna fight with discussing tactics. Humiliating your kid for wearing a hat that says make America great again, you show up at that school, and you make them in for this. Senate to me if it's good I'll put it out on my Twitter. No problem at all. And I want to give a Big Hat tip to those parents in Arizona who refused to lie down. You couldn't make you could've set on. We're not gonna make a senior. No, no, you make a scene you fight back. I'm with you. Joe's with you. The listeners are with you. This is not the standard new guy. Shoot reload. No, no. They were in a different war against us. And keep in mind, folks any day the radical left wants to return to civility. We'll welcome that with open arms. I don't choose this. I don't relish this. I hate this and you should too. This is not the America. I wanted to be a part of where I'm not free to practice. My Christianity free to spend my money on my family without the threat of being put out of business being deep platform by a radical left. It's ripping people away from their livelihoods. I didn't choose this. You didn't either? I didn't choose a place where my kid wears a maga- hat to school and they get thrown out. You chose this. When you want to return to civility. I will welcome you with open arms. But until then make no mistake. I absolutely understand the war. You're fighting and my eyes are open. I heard another story. Some lady thought it'd be a brilliant idea to rip the maga- hat off a guy semi assault. Student. Aim was Rosanne Santos. Well, that guy with a maga- hat did the right thing, you never lay your hands on a woman. So what he do we call the cops are friend Roseanne sent though said I use that term loosely. Fred apparently was in the country illegally. He's looking at potential deportation. Sorry too bad. So sad. That's what the cops are there for don't get into a fight. Don't you'll be sued. It's not worth it, not defend yourself. I'm not asking some punches you in the face like that maniac on Berkeley, don't sit there and take it. But someone ripped out of your head. Folks. You call the cops. Oh, I don't want call. No, no, no. You make a scene. No. You make a scene. That's your property someone steals. It you call the cops. They get the bracelets, and they go to jail you make a scene. I don't wanna make a see. No, no, no. You do. Old Roseanne wasn't quite thinking that through when she ripped the hat off. The guy's head. The guy in Berkeley you punched that kid in the face made that kid of celebrity and good for that kid showed up at CPAC. Gotta shout out by Donald Trump. Trump never forgets. The I'm telling you right now love this guy or hate this guy. Joe, you know, I know this, and you know, why? And I'm gonna keep them private. But he this guy deeply respects the people who back him up when he needs it. And I'm not talking about players and the people who can do and political favors. I'm talking about the people who do shows like this and the people who go out on college campuses and get punched in the face for the 'cause he never ever forgets that ever from guy the left wants you to believe some evil genius. Really? Why does he call people on the phone and thank him for fighting for the cause for the president of the United States? Do you know how many people he's called? Joe am I making this up? Do you know how many people you know, the story he has called on the phone on his workday who can do nothing for him to thank them. The list is long. Yeah. More than I would even know. Yeah. Yeah. You know, a lot of them ever sense of privacy. I'm going to keep that between us, and I'm telling you it happens all the time. He's the president of the United States. He respects people who make a scene. Finally, there was that video on that Edmond Santa Fe high school kid in a hallway with the maga- had other kid confronts rips his hat off. He didn't give up that hat or that flag in other people. Another guy gets it on video. That are the kids in a world of trouble. You make a scene you make seen every time. The time for not making a scene and letting all this past ladies and gentlemen is over. We're going to expose these people. They picked this fight. Not us. You know, I was having a conversation last night. And it devolved into. I don't know where this is going to go. I mean, we eventually going to split into the United States and the conservative United States. God, I hope not. But I made the point show that that wouldn't work that wouldn't work. You know, why that wouldn't work say there was a schism and Texas and Florida, you know, I wouldn't work I go back and forth on this. But you know, why it wouldn't work Joe? Because you, and I is conservatives and liberty lovers just want to be left alone. I don't care what New York does. If New York was not taking my tax money is part of the United States. If we were fifty separate countries within the United States, and we were at the United States. I don't care what New York does. I just want to be left alone with my big alright right to petition to practice. My religion to speak to assemble to live to run a business. I just want to be left alone. The reason a schism in the United States would never work Joe is because liberals do not want to leave you alone. It is not good enough for them. To live their lives a certain way, they have to do it to you as well. While hypocritically not even doing the same things they recommend for you. And I'm going to get to that in a minute to you know, maybe I'll get right to that. With the Alexandra throw the we're going to throw the show script up a little bit. I had a different plan in mind. The people like Alexandria, the hypocritic fraud Caucasia Cortez. She's not good enough with making recommendations for her life because she doesn't want those recommendations she wants you to do it. Sanders to fraud, phony three home birdie bread lines, Bernie, he wants you to sit on bread lines, Bernie while this cat has three houses what a fake Foti fried three homes. He has a lake home home in Burlington and a tone home in DC. This phony wants you to live in a shack on a breadline not Bernie. These people are frauds. A schism would never work because they never want to leave you alone. If Texas split off from the United States, it would only be moments before liberals moved into Texas to take over Texas too. You will never get away from this fight. Never because they cannot leave you alone. They will never leave you alone. The entire essence of liberalism is about encroaching on your money. Your business. Your health care your kid's education, everything. We leave them alone. They will never ever leave us alone. Ladies and gentlemen, make a scene. Everywhere. The time for not making a scene is over. And I wish the anti CPAC trumpeters all of these people just lie down and take it the slimy sellout GOP class would wake up and recognize the fight. We're in. I agree with you the world would be a better place. If our discourse was more civil, but we didn't choose this the left shows, this you understand. They're fighting us with boxing gloves, soaked in Tarin nails. And you want us to do what put on twenty ounce gloves at are like pillows to fight back while pleading to the ref to get involve the ref who the media in this case who's a sell out to the left already. Do you understand the fight? We're interview you lost your perspective. All right. I wanna move on. Okay. CO cortez. Because again, this is important stuff. Hold the left to their own standards and watch their credibility evaporate in front of a very is. All right today show. Also brought to you by buddies at brickhouse nutrition. Ladies and gentlemen, brickhouse nutrition has been a sponsor with me from the beginning. Really? Appreciate this company miles who runs it does a great job. They make the finest nutrition supplements out there one of the best supplements, it makes fielded greens. Listen, we all know everybody knows, you know, including your health manage take care of yourself. I you know, you're supposed to be eating a lot of fruits and vegetables, it's obvious. 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You know, but yeah, I'm at the front of the line here at the if there was a triangle of truth, I'm at the tip of that triangle, spear going up a warrior for Justice. Are you really? So I found this interesting. I pulled this clip off Twitter. This is Alexandria. Casey. Oh Cortes making a big stink about how basically she wants Donald Trump to disclose financial documents. Because of course, you know, she's a police state tyrant. And she believes that they have opened thority to investigate people. Not crimes, you know, what they do in third world republics, you don't investing crimes, you investigate people. You find the crap. So keep your mind in this little clip, she displays no evidence whatsoever. That Donald Trump has done anything wrong. She just wants to use the powers of congress of which she has some of them four hundred and thirty fifth of it to attack Donald Trump and investigate them endlessly. But it's the end of this. That's really interesting in light of some breaking news about some problems. Okay. She'll Cortez has herself play that cut. I think. You hear the president say, no collusion. No collusion. No collusion writing. He's always talking about the focus on the relationship between his campaign and Russia, which is the scope of that investigation is under the house intelligence committee as well as several other investigatory bodies, so while he's talking collusion collusion collusion. I think oversight we should be talking about taxes taxes taxes and his Bank account who Bank account his banking, his financial statements statements, eight minutes, because that's where I think actually some of the most troubling practices are with direct relevance to the American people on. Oh, isn't that? Great, isn't that special? So how exaggerates yo Cortez wants to review? Trump's financial says she keep my she producers no evidence of an actual crime or any criminality whatsoever. As a matter of fact, but she wants evidence of Donald Trump's financial statements onset disclosure. Oh, isn't this? Great. You know, what broke yesterday? Joe Alexandra case, yo Cortez's chief-of-staff apparently is being accused of funneling money from donors into a private company. He controls you say Joel how much money a couple of bucks five ten beans here or there. Whatever, you know, couple dollars here or there, maybe at twenty spot who knows five ducats. Nah. To eight hundred thousand plus dollars funnel by Sacre Chakra body. Who is Alexandria case you Cortez's chief-of-staff into companies he controls now. All right. So listen now, I'm Mike Alexandria case. Yo Cortez who wants Donald Trump's financial documents. Just because she does she has no evidence of a crime and she believes in police. They tyranny now we have actual evidence of potential wrongdoing by the chief of staff to Representative. Okay. She'll cortez. A potential donor laundering operation into money. He into companies he controls lips get to that. You know what MS Cortez? Why don't you put that out? I let's see where that goes before we start focusing on your witch hunt of Donald Trump and his financial documents again make a scene. Make a scene. They want to attempt to expose Donald Trump for financial documents with no allegation of wrongdoing. Well, let's play that game too. Missile AO. See I'd like to see the records on that. I want to see where that money came from where what what it was spent on. Oh, it gets better. Joe? With your. Yeah. Yeah. That's with Representative case yo Cortes. She's got another problem too. Article in the Washington Examiner. Today's all of my show notes today. Please check it out, by the way that clip of me on. With with Leo tyrel have at the show today, an article by biz pack review that wrote it up. So check that out to miss Cortez has another problem Joe. So remember when she came out last week, and we we attack this where she said, listen, I'm gonna pay my staff a living wage fifty. She's not paying him anything the taxpayers up, and I'm not gonna pay any of my staff more than eighty thousand dollars income inequality for everyone. Yeah. Well, that's really cute because as some people who do congressional oversight from the outside and and monitor potential corruption they noticed something interesting about the number the eighty thousand dollars salary ceiling. She set for her stamp. Let me read to you from the Washington Examiner. Joe Representative okay CEO Cortez's decision. A or office salaries at eighty thousand dollars. We'll let her chief of staff the same guy just told you has all these financial troubles here and senior employee's avoid public transparency laws that would require them to reveal outside income gifts and stock trading activity. The New York Democrat announced last week. She would institute living wage rules in our office paying staff members a minimum of fifty two thousand a year and a maximum of eighty K a year now. Now, it all makes sense Joe now why we'll see that. Because when you pay these people, including our chief of staff who now apparently has these allegations of some kind of donor money laundering, surfacing around him. If he gets paid eighty thousand dollars a year or less, Joe he doesn't have to reveal a lot of his payment documents to the public. Wow. Isn't that convenient gosh miss Cortes? She such an outsider warrior against the swab. Despite the fact is swamps revenge here is her actually being forced to live by our own rule. We need to disclose Donald Trump's financial documents. But if I pay my staff less than eight thousand you won't get to see their financial documents, while allegations are swirling that their finances are a mess, and they may have been laundering donor money into companies they own personally. How about that? We need. Yeah. The Dr Phil about that. How 'bout? To sweet in baseball about. Yeah. That's total complete frauds. So one her chief of staff is credibly being accused of some serious malfeasance with donor money. Sounds awfully swampy to me. Secondly, all I'm not gonna pay the more than eighty thousand. Wow. That conveniently hides all their paperwork. Amazing. How that works out at one final story make a scene hold them all to a cab AO sees mom. I don't know. I think it begins with a B B O C. Apparently, somebody did some interview with her and they found out she moved to Florida to escape the height the sky high taxes in New York. So again, this is one of those things. What's good for the is not good for me or my family? I'm not making this up Joe. So, of course, you had Maggie Haberman. Left-wing propagandists for the New York Times pretends to be a reporter who had to tweet out. Oh, look Trump's tax laws. Did this? Because people are going to get hammered New York by the salt deduction. Alexandria case. Yo Cortez's mom, Maggie moved before the tax law passed and based on what we think our income is she would have benefited from it again. Stop pretending to be a journalist. Just put on your Twitter, Maggie Haberman full-time liberal activists to stop Briquet. You stop pretending you submit what you are. You're an opinion columnists that propagandizes for the left period. Full stop. Thanks. Her mom left for Florida did not pay the high tax. I couldn't get over that. So I thought it was the greatest thing ever. All right. Let me do this. But I got some I got a lot of stuff to get finished. You're really busy show. All right today show. Also brought to you by buddies at Bravo company manufacturing. I have a rifle and a pistol from them BCM make some of the finest products out there. I tell the story all the time the rifles are so good. 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USA YouTube dot com slash Bravo company. USA? Okay. So Chuck Ross who's done some really spectacular work over the daily caller on the spy gate case has a piece out today in the show notes. I really hope you take a look at. It's very very good. He talks about this information superhighway now, ladies and gentlemen, a little tease here. I'm working on book to we are about a third of the way done on the spy gate scandal. It is a company book to book once called spy gate, which I wrote with the niece McAllister map Palumbo. I appreciate you picking up. Very well, a book to is going to blow your mind, it's packed full of new information. That comes it's come out since the launch of the first book, and it's also written in a different format. Whereas the first book was more of a police file, which I hope you're people loved it because you can skip around and read how all the players into connect the second book tells it in a narrative for. Arm and fills in some of the missing holes number one. I think you're gonna love it. It's going to be a little shorter, but a whole lot sweeter. You're going to really enjoy this book. But one of the things we were doing yesterday. On the project is we're putting together the motivations for people. And we were talking about this information laundering operation where again, all roads lead back to Hillary and Obama they started this with this fake information from Christopher Steele, and fusion GPS, and they made sure the information made it back to the FBI laundered it through multiple channels one of the channels. I often bring up as the State Department channel, and it appears the middleman the the carrier pigeon here the guy carrying the information from the Hillary team in that deadly diamond when we talked about it yesterday arrivals and departures. Yeah. The information departed the Hillary team. It got to a conduit a carrier pigeon and made it back to the FBI and law enforcement, it appears that main individual there were a couple, but the main guy is this guy Jonathan winer now Chuck Ross s some new information about wine or in this piece yesterday, and it's an interesting little nugget in here. Here's the peace. It's whiner also handled another dossier on Trump that matched up with some of the salacious claims made in steals report Sidney Blumenthal Clinton, crony gave Wigner a dossier and Trump that had been compiled by fellow Clinton insider, Cody sheer, the Cody sheer memo contained some of the salacious allegations about Trump's activities in Moscow winer is acknowledged that he gave sheer the memo to steal who in turn provided the FBI. Now, you may say what about this this new now, we know according to Chuck Ross's pieces yesterday, not only with steel steel Christopher Steele, talking to Jonathan winer if the State Department, but whiner was simultaneously being contacted by Christopher Simpson of fusion GPS who still worked for in an effort to set. This thing up another meeting, folks. In other words, Simpson would not let this go. This guy is being paid by the Clinton team to traffic this information. And he absolutely wouldn't let it go. Right. So there's two key takeaways from this number one. You know, when we're putting together the book, the spy gate to the sequel here, we have a non title that yet. But I keep talking about motivations and one of the key elements of debunked. Conspiracy theory is an easy answer. Joe, right? We've said this ally. If you're blaming it on whatever the space aliens, or whatever it may be and that's your simple tie up the martians. Did it you're probably wrong. And there's a reason for that. The reason conspiracy theories typically fall apart is because they're rarely if ever are easy answers involves government corruption. It's precisely because of the line excite often by father Bob Ceriaco at the Acton institute who said one time in his speech that it's not the government's too big. It's the government's too stupid. And he's right. He's not talking about the people who get work boots on and go to work every day. He's talking about the higher ups in the bureaucrats who most have no experience in the business world whatsoever. Many of them and pretend to know everything they're not smart enough to coordinate a huge conspiracy. And in that they have conflicting motivations. So one of the points book to is. To make the point that there is no easy. Tie up to the conspiracy to take down the Trump team, but we can easily go to all the players and describe their possible motivations for being a part of the spy operation on the Trump team. One of them is whiner. Jonathan winer at the State Department, ladies and gentlemen, intimate intimately connected to it network of personal context with the Clinton administration, the Bill Clinton presidency and Hillary Clinton herself, obviously, but also what's weiner's role at the State Department show, why Anders deeply connected to Libya Libya was a major flashpoint the Obama administration because of the Bockel in Benghazi when we lost for American patriots to a terror attack, the Obama administration disingenuously and lying about it blamed on a video, of course, whiner had a had a role along with Victoria Neuland in the State Department who would draft and a lot of the talking points for the Benghazi debacle. Of course, they had a role in making. Sure, none of this came out. Was it? The sole reason they probably hated Donald. Trump to but everybody had a motivation for making sure Hillary was elected president. None of this stuff ever came to light. But Secondly, this is fascinating continuing Chuck Ross ends the piece the State Department is previously declined comment and weiner's activities. He is now a senior advisor to Apcoa worldwide global public relations firm. Wow. Where have we heard that before Apcoa think again skill further from fifth grade? God rest, our souls. You said put your thinking caps on where did we hear Apcoa? So Jonathan winer who is a carrier pigeon and the State Department for debunk discredited dossier information now, we believe from Simpson as well as Christopher Steele from Glenn Simpson to that's the new information that Simpson tried to contact him. Where have we heard Apcoa Apcoa, ladies and gentlemen, was a lobby firm that was working on behalf of some of the companies lobbying on behalf of some of the Russian tied companies that were trying to purchase a uranium and did so in the Iranian one deal Apcoa was trying to make that happen. Apcoa also worked on behalf of the Clinton foundation pro Bono. In other words, gratis for free. Why would they do that? While at the same time lobbying for the Russians now to be fair to Apcoa ABC goes claims that these business units were separated nothing to do one of the fine. I put their defense out there. I'm just telling you. It's interesting in the Trump case where miss Cortes just said, basically where there's smoke this fire. There's no smoke or no fire. But here there's a whole lot of smoke and a whole lot of fire with Apcoa and Wigner and all of a sudden everybody in liberal media seems to not care so whiners now working for ABC go who did pro Bono work for the Clintons while lobbying on behalf of the uranium one deal. While simultaneously weiner's relaying information. To the FBI about Donald Trump through Christopher Steele about the same Russians. Now, you don't see any of this as odd. Again, where are the entrepreneurial media types doing any kind of basic research into this the answer is they're nowhere to be found? All right. Get into this a little bit of a lighter story, and I'm going to get through my final Serb at the tax cuts. Phil Gramm as a great piece in the Wall Street Journal today. That's just terrific. I want to get into. But I read kind of I don't do a lot of these lighter. Stays I want to waste your time. But I saw I saw this in the journal. I thought it was kind of funny. It was in their most popular section. Joe Americans were hard chargers. You know? Sometimes we glide through grammar school in high school. We are. We have a lot of fun play baseball football. Whatever you do sports, lacrosse, whatever it may be they do a lot of and then they get to college. And I notice this at least that we're we're late bloomers, we disarm. I mean, I don't mean to stereotype the entire country be ridiculous. But my experience is we are we are late bloomers whereas other cultures. They emphasize like the tiger mom type stuff from the start where the kids got to be playing piano by the time. Therefore, we don't do that. Here. We let our kids be kids, generally. And I know with me, you know, what I was about seventeen or eighteen I decided I wanted to be a doctor or go to medical school or change the world some out, I became this, really hard charger. I just a lot of you did too. I don't mean to sound in any way pretentious about it. The most of you have to. But I was reading the story. And it reminded me of my experience in college all these kids who had slacked off a lot went to college and became just like dynamos the new thing. Now is this hard charging generation of Americans. They want their credit scores to be eight hundred. So as an article in the Wall Street Journal today, but like the pursuit for eight hundred. The maximum credit scores. Fifty this is the new thing like they're such perfectionist this generation of young Americans that are now in college. And you know, they want to go to they want to be the captain of the baseball team, and graduate, Suma, KU, laude, and all. But now they're thing is eight hundred credit scores. I looked at this. And I laughed I said Paul, Mike. This is the new thing like at eight hundred credit score. I never heard of such a thing. Really? Hey, matching that you're you're on a date. You're in the local watering hole. You see a nice young lady. You wanna talk to you. Hey, how's it going? You know? I haven't eight fifty credits. Go I can't even imagine what you're saying. Okay. Great check. Please. Thank you. But I stay. Credits. Go. This is a thing. It's a subscription only articles. I'm not gonna cut it. But and I never talk about this stuff. But I just thought it was funny because in a way, I see it as a positive it just is indicative of what I learned in my time as a compass secret service, we are we're just late bloomers. And when we get there, and we're done being kids. It's on like we care about everything. The captain of the team your grades your credit score just found that story to be just so that is at so American of us, we want to be eight hundred seven hundred I remember when I bought this accurate T L one time, and I had good credit growing up. And I was in it was in Annapolis. And I went in I was talking to the guys pick bodybuilder guy. And I said, I was my credit. He's like bad. It's Cuba by the building. It was gonna I always took my credit series. Like that was me growing up. So now, apparently, it's a big. But I never I've seriously, I've never monitored Mike. I just went on today for the first time being inspired to check my oh credit score. Because I've never thought of doing that. Hey, Chuck, my credit score. Was interested in at that time. Right. Right. Exactly. The opposite. All right. So is this a serious articles? I read this other one in the journal today, feel Graham great op Ed in the Wall Street Journal today talking about how the tax cuts have been unequivocal, basically, you'd have to be an idiot to ignore the positive effects of the Trump tax cut plan. Right. But not only that latest gentlemen, you know, that that's a simple talking point. Yeah. The tax cuts word. Okay. Why it's not just that. He writes that they work. He contrasts it with some of the tax hikes in the Obama administration. And he puts out some numbers. I think you'll find pretty fascinating. I know why did so keep in mind, we're doing here. Lead of the story is the Obama tax hikes hiked the income tax rates versus the Trump tax cut. And I don't just want to talk about the growth rates. I wanna talk about in this how it impacted tax revenue because the liberal talking point is we need more tax revenue show, which we should high taxes. Okay. So let's talk about what actually happened when Obama tight high taxes, and let's use the actual. Facts data from the peace. Joe? Today's changes in economic growth overwhelmed, the direct effects of policy changes after President Obama raised income taxes in two thousand thirteen they expected Joe to collect an extra six hundred fifty billion dollars over ten years. So let's be clear here Obama hikes taxes. The Obama administration expected a windfall of six hundred fifty billion additional tax dollars due to their tax hike over ten years. The CBO Joe had predicted and you will growth with average three point seven percent through twenty sixteen after those tax. Well, a fair question now that those tax hikes are over that period of time is over to twenty sixteen would be well what actually happened right? We raise the actual revenue over that ten year which hasn't closed yet, obviously. But we're ways through it. And did we meet those growth targets? Here we go when the actual growth rate through two thousand fourteen through twenty sixteen. Was forty percent lower than predicted. Joe the CPO revised its revenue estimate down by an astonishing three point one trillion dollars. Oh, four point seven times the amount that tax increase was opposed to collect. So let's get this straight again liberals, I know facts that data are hard. I get it. I know you've taken the vaccine against facts at an early age, but the Obama tax hikes. They predicted a six hundred fifty billion dollar windfall due to the decrease growth from those tax hikes and that money coming out of the economy. They have now revised the estimate to the to the point where they think they're going to lose three point one trillion, which is nearly five times the amount. It was supposed to collect. Joe? I bring us up always with you on the line because you live in Maryland still. Yeah, you were there when I was there. Remember when governor O'Malley liberal Democrat, instituted the millionaire's tax. Jim. And they said, oh, it's going to raise one hundred million plus in taxes. What did it actually you? Joe people fled Maryland Dros thing. Well that losing almost twice the amount. It was supposed to raise. Remember that? Rebecca, these Marylanders come back. They all Pennsylvania. It was awful Virginia this actually happened. And this is what's so frustrating about liberals the facts never get in the way of their stupid arguments. The CPO it goes on also cut its growth estimate for two thousand sixteen by five hundred twenty four billion that's six thousand four hundred seventy five dollars GDP for every family afford, America. Now one more paragraph year conversely when economic growth in twenty eighteen the Trump era came in higher than the two percent. The CBO had predicted in the previous year, this windfall added four thousand seven hundred forty dollars of GDP for every family of four and prompted the CBO to increase its federal revenue projections for the next decade by one point two trillion dollars, folks, again, don't let this get in the way of your silly liberal arguments. But do you see what I'm getting at here? You owe tax hikes under the Obama administration projected to raise money cost the government based on the updated projections up to five times the amount was supposed to raise while the tax cuts by Trump actually generated revenue how they generated revenue because it put more money in people's pockets who promptly went out and did what spent it on their businesses. They're a barber. They bought new scissors the scissor company, then had a buy more steel this the'll company, then had a by more iron ore. The iron ore company had to pay a minor the minor then to go out and buy stuff to feed his family at every level of production. All of those people earning more revenue because the money was in their pocket. Not the government's. Paid income taxes paid a state taxes paid local taxes paid sales taxes economic activity generates taxes by the very nature of the taxing of the economic activity. You don't need to increase the rate. You ain't need to increase. Joe? The actively this is not hard now. Fair analysis when you look at the Laffer curve, which are named after our laugher. Which I radically. I opened up the show with saying, you know, this this is, unfortunately, because you basically you're saying people argue the laugher don't wanna fight back. No, no. I'm saying you can fight back. Be should also base it in facts and data, but the facts data's shouldn't overcome your tactical responsibility to understand what a guerrilla wars going on in politics, but the Laffer curve. Yes. Zero tax rates going to be zero money, but one hundred percent tax rates going zero money to house that your taxes and everything and hundred percent because all you're going to do is tax once and no one's ever going to work again. There is a sweet spot, folks. That's sweet spot. We know time is about eighteen to twenty percent of GDP. That is where people understand that if the fund the constitution roles of government, but see anything above that generally based on Hauser's law as a confiscation of money and assets. And you see a slowdown in economic activity. Listen, I'm just giving you the numbers if the numbers offend you. I'm really sorry. But those are in fact, the numbers. All right. Let me wrap this up. Listen, I appreciate your listenership your viewership. We've been putting these shows on YouTube, even though we had a little snafu today. We'll put the we will put this show on YouTube. I don't care even if we had a little technical snafu. It's YouTube dot com slash Dan Bongino. But I just want to reiterate enclosing folks, it's time to make a scene out there. I mean, it the left isn't kidding around anymore. The party of John F Kennedy is dead that democrat party. Those are now basically moderate Republicans the radical leftists have taken over the party. It's time to fight back. Don't take it anymore. There's no more lying down. Don't let anybody impugn your character. Or try to defame. You don't let them do it on TV don't let them do it at dinner, and I'll leave you with this final. No, I got an Email a while ago. Maybe like three or four years ago. I remember I was running for office or the podcast. Forgive me. I don't remember the details, but a guy. Said to me, and I'm reminded of because I got a tweet saying the same thing last night or someone tweeted to me said, listen, Dan, I've got a bunch of friends, and I don't wanna lose my friends because of politics, folks. I'm sorry. That's now I can't accept that. I've lost a ton of friends. Some I still have their friends. I still have a work, you know, in the Obama administration with me, we have political disagreements we're still friends, I'm friends with a lot of people on FOX who are liberal. But if you're going to lose a friend because they have some kind of policy disagreement with you, they weren't friends in the first place. And remember this worried about losing your friends. He worried about losing your country because it's happening right now for very is. No more lying down, folks. Every opportunity you can you go out and make a scene you go caused a ruckus remember that dance show. We did it's not the first guy to get up and dance. It's the second guy to join them be that guy, you watch someone out there getting into it and someone to pull you back them up. And remember there the violent ones not us. They seek aggressive confrontation not us, but fightback make a scene it matters, folks. All right. Thanks for everything today. I appreciate thanks for tuning in. If you can kind of spread the word about the show. It's important. We rally around the troops. Here we need this. I don't wanna I don't wanna even be left out there on a low number leaving, no more. No more people out there on the battlefield. We got a backup buddies. All right. Thanks a lot folks. I appreciate it. I'll see you all tomorrow. You just heard the Dan Bongino show. You can also get Dan's podcasts on I tunes or soundcloud and follow Dan on Twitter. Twenty four seven at dbongino.
Ep. 279 - Jeff Weaver
"And now from the university of Chicago institute of politics and CNN the axe files with your host, David Axelrod. Jeff Weaver, we grew up in tiny, Vermont town near the Canadian border, became a household name, at least in politics in two thousand and sixteen as a campaign manager for his old friend and client Bernie Sanders. He's written a book about that experience called how Bernie one inside the revolution that's taken back our country and where we go from here and where where he goes from here and where Bernie Sanders goes from here was one of the things we talked about when he came by the institute of politics last week and sat down with me. But they had can't Cambridge Analytica. They had. They did. They did. They did absolutely tens of millions of dollars in the background. Absolutely. But. They also got. Millie, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars of free television exposure he twice as much as she got. Yeah, she got twice in the primaries. It was overwhelming. I mean, part of it was they claimed if you talk to people at CNN or elsewhere, they'll say, you know, we offered the same opportunity to other people. They didn't take advantage of it. I don't believe that I could tell you stop Selena, true. I remember election nights, you know that when they were still a bunch of Republicans and Bernie and Hillary and you know, we everybody tried to stagger their election night speeches in order to seventy gets covered. Right? And they said, we just want you all to know that if Trump comes out, right, we're cutting truck. You know, this is the thing. I mean at some level. And he knows this and he cynically manipulates. Media, you know, the news business is a business. I mean, there is a trust associated with it and the people try and balance it. But anyway, we can talk about all this, Michelle wolf at the at the Washington correspondents' dinner. I was there the camera to me because at the end she says, I know you all say you hate Trump, but I think you really love him because he sells your newspapers and sells advertising on TV and the Roma silent except for me in the cameras to me and that she was absolutely right, totally, totally. In keeping with your your image and your and your style and your history. It was true. It was. She added that on. I mean, he was immediate creation and then they tried to kill him afterwards, you know? Yeah, yeah. Well. The truth is he's still paying off like a slot machine for them. Yeah. So you know you, you're in there. I mean, the political. I was talking to bunch of reporters before the election general show, and they're like, well, when I'm going to doing after, you know the political departments get winnow down after the general election, of course they're bigger than ever. Right? I mean, well, and as you say, they're going to start with, you know, the mid terms have taken on this disproportionately important disproportionate importance and then you're right into, you know, it never stops in never repetitive beleaguered voter. Yeah, right, exactly. Samuel in the driver seat today. I Sam. This Jeff Weaver. I will do an introduction later. Some just going to jump right in short and you're going to have to bear with me because some the show is partly by graphical impart contemporaneous and I read somewhere that you you don't like talking about yourself? I'm not. I'm not a Greg. I mean, I like I'm like Bernie in that way. Yes. Yeah. Go ahead. It's fine. I'll all with when he was here. Who for my first ever show he? He was pretty good. Actually. We talked about Brooklyn, the dodgers leaving. And yeah, no, no, that's fine. Yeah. Yeah, of course, absolute. My favorite was at the end of that show said to him, you two thousand kids waiting for you at the university and five hundred more in an overflow room. And I said, you are the most unlikely rockstar, then he said, just don't talk to me about those selfish. I hate those selfies. We're walking from dinner last night and Union Station. He was getting. Oh, Bernie. Sanders can have a selfie selfie. When they don't want Selby's anymore. That's when the problem. Yeah. Well, did you tell me. All right. Jeff Weaver, welcome here and welcome to the institute of politics. It's good to see you again, you come from as probably as close to being in Canada's one Katom. Tell me about Saint Albans, Vermont. Yes. So SAM's Vermont. Well, change a lot since I was a kid, it's was a conservative democratic area had more cows than people. I went to high school with substantial number of people who spoke French at home as a first language and your your your folks. Were y'all original French Canadian? Absolutely. Absolutely. My mother's maiden name of champagne. Exactly. So that's good. And that's French Canadian. So, yeah, you know those days the border was, you know, we talk about open borders. These days when I grew up the border with Quebec was basically an open border. You could drive back and forth waving being waved through. So there was a lot of a lot more interaction across the board than the than than there is now, certainly, but and you, Dan ran a pet shop, but added a pet shop. He did a bunch of jobs, but he his final job in life is having a pet store in insane Alban's which he loved very much. Also, he worked for many years that a utility as a late night, the person who called when your power went out, he would dispatch the trucks for folks. So it was a nice place to grow up. I mean, was obviously homogeneous in some ways. There were two Catholic church Irish Catholic church on the hill and a French Catholic church below the diverse. It was diverse and Irish Catholics. You know the, the major minority was Methodist. And I read somewhere that years later when you were working with Bernie Sanders, he was in your town and feel fielding oppress collar something in your dad's pet shop while the cockatoos were holdings four, three Ming, and the, you know, those as there was no cell phone. So when you wanted to call somebody, you had to find a telephone. So we went to my father's a pet store and he had this giant very beautiful cockatoo and it was screaming in the background, the AP reporter in montpelier the capital was said, Bernie, where are you? Sounds like you're in the jungle somewhere. I also remember driving with Bernie from one town to another late for a live radio show, and we were desperately looking for a payphone as the host is on the air saying, I don't know where mayor Sanders is, where could he be? No self had just a very different world in those. Yeah, I'll say I'll say, I'm sure there are days when he probably misses those those those days. Yeah, every every politician of a certain age probably does. There was kind of charm to that when you had a few moments to collect your thoughts. Before being thrown in the mail stream now? That's right. I mean, now you get in the car and it's just another period of work, right? This phone calls and as you know, you know, sometimes multiple cell phones being passed to a candidate back and forth, and there just is no sort of down time to write or thinker get your bearings know you. Were you deeply interested in politics as a kid? I was not deeply interested in politics as a kid. I was interested into political theory as a kid became sort of politicized when I was at Boston University. As in undergraduate school, I became involved. I in a Soviet jewelry movement, and then in the anti-apartheid movement, why in the Soviet jewelry movement, I was a Russian area studies major at the time and I had met, you know, there were a number of Jewish students said to be you and I became involve, I was convinced to go down to a annual lobby. They had in a d c. at that time to lobby members of congress, on behalf of Soviet jewelry and had Geog. Griffey professor who heard I was going and she said, I have a friend, I would like you to meet. And I met this woman and her mother was still in the Soviet Union, and but was there weren't letting her leave. And I brought her case actually to Pat Lahey Vermont Senator exactly. And he raise it with Soviet officials and she was ultimately released was sort of early that's gratifying to me of political political activism, paying off. And then I was arrested in anti-apartheid protests at BU in Unser modestly unceremoniously asked to leave. And that's what I meant matter with Bernie Sanders. In the summer of you, you said shantytowns. We did. We did other schools. Other schools were doing. It seemed to go fine view that was John sober. I don't. If you remember John who went onto the career in politics? Yes, yes. In the Torius right wing anyway, he, he was not going to tolerate that, and we were well, there was an also you hung banners out of your? I did. I did. We. They tried to throw us out of the dorms, the Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts represented us in court, and we won actually that we one actually that case. They said there was no institution, Massachusetts had more civil rights violations. Our civil liberties violations lodged against it than Boston University under John sober than why did the why did the apart anti-apartheid movement so sees you so that so much so that cost to your your your place was such a clear and compelling example of injustice in the world. You know here you had just a brutal regime that was keeping down the vast majority of people in that country, obviously along racial lines. And you know, Boston University, John sober was a big fan of Ronald Reagan, and he was bringing speakers, you know, you wouldn't call them pro apartheid speakers, but there were certainly apologised for tied speakers onto campus and it was. It was just it just, you know, move me very much that. Institution that I was paying a lot of money to was involved in in supporting that regime, you know, and be you had that time were number of departments. The international relations department had strong relations with the contra rebels in Central America was eventually scandal at the communication school involving the CIA sending students there to be trained as journalists, and then sending them to a foreign countries to join news organizations and report back, you know, stuffed on the UPI and others. So you know, be you at that point was really sort of had become sort of hob of far-right intelligencia and was being used in that way to build credibility for people who would then support that kind of agenda around the world. And it was very disturbing. One of the ways you cleansed yourself was to go back and work for socialist mayor Burlington right for governor yet running for governor at that time, right as as an independent against Madeleine Kunin who was in the middle of her first to your term when. Bernie announced and for the record. Lincoln was one of the few Democrats, Vermont in two thousand sixteen who supported Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders, which was a small minority of people. Vermont is the only state during the during the primary process where once candidates swept all of the delegates. So that was certainly a minority position so, but back in eighty six. What was it that that drew you to to Bernie? Well, I, you know, I had been corrigo radicalized at undergraduate school and I came back home again to this sort of sleepy place, and I was looking for, you know, what am I gonna do now kicked out of college, right? I don't have a job and you know he was running and I call down to his office to see if I can help out and guiding. Phil from auntie came up who's been a friend of mine. Now for decades came up and then should have been my first warning David. By the time he left. My house. I was the county coordinator campaign with absolutely no political experience whatsoever seemed good at the time. But in hindsight, said about a warning Sam know about him at this cockatoo Sieber exactly Bernie at an event when he came, I staffed a minute event. He came up to in in Franklin county, and you know, we, I guess we hit it off and he called me up and said, can you come down to work and Burlington a couple of days a week, and it's been, I don't know how many years is that now thirty years since then how which, which is the greatest thing in in politics. When you have these long term, relationships were of trust where you you really know how someone thinks. Absolutely. What. What was it then? What? What do you recall about your initial interactions with? I mean, I I will tell you that the impression of him generally is that he believes deeply in what he believes in completely sincerely doesn't have a whole lot of time for kind of social niceties. He's got more important things on his mind. Right. And I try, I assume you, it's like that. Yeah, he wasn't. You don't some ways. You know, we were going around the state and he was, you know, he would meet with small groups of people, eight, ten people, you know, far cry from the thirty thousand get a person crowds. He had twenty sixteen, but you know some ways that there were some Larry's because at that point he was mayor Burlington, not that well known or that itself was a national story when race. Absolutely. Because he he was. He was clearly on the. Left Iran came out of nowhere. You know, not up machine, machine politician in Burlington, but outside the Burlington, Burlington, Vermont, Burlington, you'll look at as a small city, but in Vermont, Burlington's the big city, right? And so among rural people and small town, people Burlington's looked at what at that time was looked at as sort of like the big city. And so people know really what to make of him outside of Burlington. So yet a lot of work to do a truth matters. He ended up being very popular with rural people in particular, I think who appreciated his sincerity and understood that he was, you know, believe what he said. You know, let me ask you question about that because he did my very first acts files, two hundred seventy seven shows ago and who's counting David? Well, you know, I like to have a little meter on my desk, but and one of the things that talked about was was guns. And I asked him and I actually really appreciated his candor said, if you were representing Brooklyn where you grew up rather than for my, would your position be have been different on on guns because he had been sort of moderate on the issue. And he said, probably so, yeah, although gotta tell you in Vermont, you know, his position, Vermont, particularly in the eighties when he was running for trying to run for congress, you know, it was really very because they're very, extremely left's. You know, Howard Dean had an a plus rating from the NRA throughout his entire career. He would never have touched guns with a ten foot pole burning Eighty-eight. We ran for congress and lost by three points, and he was the again, running as an independent, the both democrat and Republican, both pledged that they would not ban assault weapons, and he was, he said, no, I will. I will ban weapons ninety eight. And so you know there's in, you know, of course, presidential campaign is a lot of nuance gets lost as you well know as people try to paint you with broad brushstrokes. But the truth matter is, is that in Vermont, certainly Bernie was way out front in terms of the assault, weapons ban head of everybody. I mean, there are other issues I'm not. I'm not really making another. That he, you know, you are elected to represent your state and plainly the fact that the state there was a large world population, lots of hunters and so on, right? He clearly talked to folks about that that inform some he, he hadn't. He, he had a nuance position on the issue. The the thing is that in the times in which we live, it's hard to have a nuance position on that on that issue. I mean after propo- like where I grew up, you know many people's homes. You will go into the limit room. One of the major sort of pieces of furniture is the glass gun gunky gun virus six guns in it. There's the initiatives lying on the shelf below and no one thinks anything about it. Note anybody think that would be something that you would take us for some nefarious purposes just, yeah, one of the things you have. Yeah. I mean, you know, the thing that. The thing that's so difficult is how do we get the have, how do we have a reason discussion on this? You know Obama's had a debate when he was in the state Senate with a rural, a rural legislator, and he said, you know, I know. I think I've said this here before, but I know that. You know, you grew up with guns and your dad took you out at dawn hunting and his dad did the same. This, you know, big part of of your of your life and of your of what what is is typical in your communities? In my community, though I've got parents who wait by the window anxiously hoping that their kids don't get shot on the way home. And he said there has to be a way to to to to protect your traditions and our and the children in my area, and he's right about that. We ought to be able to have, but we can't. We can't because of well, frankly, because of the way the issue has been weaponized. And here you know, I'm sure people because it has people who if there are people listening on the right here, they would say, well, weaponized by a gun control advocates, but really the NRA is kind of an industry now. Yeah, absolutely. And they speak for an industry. I mean, they really, you know. They they, they have weaponized this issue on behalf of the gun industry shrouded in in in, you know, intimations about autocracy and the overweening government. And yeah, let me let's be clear. The NRA has become, you know, an adjunct Republican party. There's no. I mean, it is a wildly partisan organization. I mean, I remember when Bernie I got elected to the house of representatives. There were a lot of much many more rural Democrats, right? And the views on on gun legislation within the Democratic Party was was much more diverse in terms of positioning and it was much urban rural now it's completely a partisan issue, right? And Republicans, you know, use it to try to beat up Democrats. It's interesting to see how this if in how this issue evolves, it feels like that parkland shooting was a bit of a watershed. We'll see how certainly in suburban areas the issue has has changed, but so have suburban voter? Yes. So you you ultimately did go back to college at the university of Vermont, I did. Yes. Between campaigns Bernie, I work with burn eighty six where he was not successful in running for governor. I work with an eighty, ran for congress loss by three points and then a ninety. He came back and had a rerun against the Republican who had beaten him two years earlier, and he won in nineteen ninety nine. I came down to DC with him. Yeah, says a lot about your relationship that you lost all these races and he still wanted you back. Yeah, right, right. Well, it wasn't you know, at that you know those campaigns were very different than what what I understand now like a modern campaign, they were very, you know, Bernie a lot of the quote unquote running of the campaign. It was a very few people. The Madame money was, you know, I look back on it very, very little. Although other we ran TV advertising, certainly eighty eight ninety. Payment that expensive in Verma. Not that in than not that expensive. I'm sure the as were homemade, and so there was no production expensive, very little. So it was, you know, now I'm gonna make wardrobe. Exactly. But at. So you went down and you, you also you, you attended law school. Did you do that while you went down? I did. I don't tell people Georgetown Cassini tell you can't work while you're going to law school, but I to late now, I would work on the your work on the hill and Georgia lost goes on on Capitol Hill. So I would leave the hell to go to class and then go back, go back to the hill. So I, I was, I did was okay with Bernie. Yeah, it was. I mean, yes, I just want, you know, class time isn't that much yet the the, you're studying at night and then my after my second year, I did a summer tour traditional summer associate gig at a firm and my that I left Bernie's office and worked at that firm for three or you left out one significant part of your biography. How's your own brief campaign as a candidate? I was actually Canada twice Iran, Iran, for alderman. Insane all in Saint Albans in the most conservative ward in the city in three race didn't do well. And then I ran for mayor of that city following in the footsteps of the man himself. Well, that's what my Ponant were saying. Yeah. And. I got forty percent of the vote. My opponent had the doors on both parties. I was twenty four one, the sort of working class side of the city barely. And then in the hill section. You know Salat it was. It was an interesting lesson in class politics even in a place like that. Yeah, didn't leave you with the bug to one ever do it again? No, you know? No, not really. I've done. I've done that and I much prefer the role I have. Now there's plenty of great people running for office a needle. Frankly, David, as you know, you know, in many ways, the environment is so toxic. I don't. I don't anybody runs for office frankly. Yeah. Is that what you're saying? Bernie when he's to say whether running to look, I'm very, very clear about the last three words of my Booker run Bernie run. So I'm I'm very clear about what what I think he should do, but you know, it's his his decision. He. I don't wanna leap ahead because I, I wanna follow the your own story here, but on that subject because you raised it, it is. Politics is so course today and so difficult. And what is it about him that he seems? I mean, there were times when he got irascible in Caisley. When reacted when he was tacked and so on. But generally he, he seems to to take the incoming and he seems to keep on heading forward, what is it about him that allows him to endure the environment yet? He's always had this goes way back from the early days. He's always had the conviction that he can just talk to enough people about his ideas on the, you know, the policy agenda. He's advocating that he'll be successful and this is true in the presidential race. You know, when he would count the number of p we go to when he'd hold rallies and he would. He kept a rolling track of how many actual people attended the rallies just because he wanted to know what percent of the eventual electorate. He actually talked to basically in person, right? And he, he was always very, you know, some of us make the case. Well, many more people will see part of this rally on television, that in person he's like, not on. I don't care about that. I wanna know how many actual people talk. To. So he's always had that. And so he keeps his head, you know, keeps his head down. He put his shoulder heart into the wheel, and he tried to talk to more people about the sort of vision he articulates and he's he's confident that if he can again do that to enough with enough people, he'll be successful. There were there were they came in in oblique ways, but stories written attacks that were probably propagated by people who wanted to stop him about his wife and her tenure as head of Burlington. Yeah, holidays and so on. Vampire have been difficult. Yeah, no, clearly clearly it wasn't. Yes, they were propagated. I mean, you know, the, the chief propagator was Trump's campaign manager, Vermont. So I mean, I don't think any about come as a surprise anybody. But yeah, it's very difficult. And you know, I mean, you've been with the candidates who when their family gets tact or they get a tag on fairway particular when you after their family, you know it really. It really hurts even look like, you know, ten. Cruise when his father was accused of being one of the Kennedy assassins or. Chris gotten over it. He's he loves President Trump. No, I apparently, that's apparently they're kissed and made up. Yes, but, but you know, you know you've been in the heat of a campaign when. Yeah, family members get attacked. Yeah. And I, you know, and I've always, I've find really distasteful. You know, I, it's one of the things that really bothered me was, you know, I think the, you know, I mean, I'm you and I may have a different view on this. I get beaten up by the left on this all the time. I don't like chasing people into restaurants when they're there with their family, and I don't there have to be some. You know you've been a practitioner politics for longtime. You've worked with elect? Yes. Issue. You know, because my feeling is once you once you not norms down, wants to this, my objection to the president wants you shred. What? What used to be norms? You know, like there are known 's beyond which you know, then if you never get them back. And if if if the left can chase Sarah Sanders or someone else into a restaurant and chase their family, the rights going to do the same thing and we're in this mad cycle of, you know, and I'm not sure it contributes anything to the to me, it's more an act of frustration than something constructive understand the frustration. But yeah, the end of the day that you have to, you have to beat them at the ballot box. I mean, that's how you are vindicated in politics in democracy is beating them at the ballot box. You know, apropos this sort of norms. You know, I remember got how many years ago as it now I was at a Christmas mass and the priests. Who had a thick Irish brogue. And he was like, right from Ireland, spoke against the war and a fully dressed full uniformed, Virginia state policeman walked to the front of the church and so- scolded him and then walked out like that's, you know, that works both ways and to see sort of policemen in the Virginia uniform is fairly military looking, you know, scolding cleric for now talking as the War. I mean, you know that that's I think what you're talking about this break we get into, we, you know, it's a mad cycle down, you know, right? Where one thing begets another thing and and and you wonder where all leads. And I look, I thoroughly thoroughly agree with. You mean I'm believe I wrote a book called believer. I'm a believer and it wasn't about a person. It was about this. Idea of democracy and that that's there is one self-correcting. There's one corrective in democracy and that is the vote. And you know, that's, you know, that's been weaponized too. I mean, you know, Republicans, as you know, working very hard because they don't want fairly at the ballot box and so they do things to, you know. Able to vote and and that to me is an absolutely important battle to fight. I mean, my view is that every we should want every single person absolutely to participate in elections, and we shouldn't game the system in any way and anyone who does should be prevented from doing that. And I agree with you. I mean, I think if you if you feel like you are, if you feel like you are advantaged if you're people vote, that could be a sign that you shouldn't win. You know, so you stick you stuck with with with Bernie Sanders throughout his throughout his time in the house. And you ran his campaign for the Senate. Yeah, right. So I, I left work the law firm for fears, and then he called me back and I was house, Sheva staffer years. And then in two thousand. Did you practicing those to you? So I didn't government contracts law. So I work for an electric, a number of government contractors in their never ending, pushing money back and forth across the table with the government. So United Technologies and companies like that. It was actually know was an important moment from me because I really got to see sort of how corporate America works and what the start in what you learn culture. Well, just the way you know, just the way information's past the, you know, the culture of how big corporations work. It just gets. I think too few people on the left understand that world at all right, into him conceptions about it. In some ways, it's much less than the ferris than. People think, you know, it's collections of people trying to make a lot of money, and you know, people do things at times that are in any other endeavor that are not appropriate in order to, you know, chief their end, but but it was. It was an interesting window for me coming from my small town and working for the, you know, congressman from Vermont. Yeah, you. You. So you worked with him. You ran the campaign? Yeah. We had a self funded opponent in two thousand six guy who disowned his company. He had built up medical software company had sold it, and he had hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. I mean, in cash in his Bank account and the most at anyone had ever spent in a Senate race in Vermont is gonna sound quaint to people who are familiar with politics patently hit spent two million in the prior election cycle, so salons money today. Two million dollars run a Senate race, so so, but you know, for us, that was a lot of a lot of money in the end of the at the end of the day are Ponant up spending eight million dollars and we spent over six million dollars. Most of it razed through direct mail. This is before the advent of internet fundraising to a large and how much of it came from Vermont, I'm sure relatively small, relatively small Vermont as a not a huge fundraising, not all right. I mean, we had a lot of we had a lot of mean in terms of donations, Vermont donations, but they would relatively small donations compared to what you would get nationally, and then you, I have to ask you about your foray into the comic book. Do you still have your store? I do still have my store fact over the last week and I was at the New York comic con quite a quite a quite a place. So tell me about this fascination. I have to tell you I had it once in my possession when I was a kid almost every inaugural issue of marvel Thor and Spiderman, and I had the most extraordinary collection of comic books. I vent about this every once in a while also had a great collection of baseball cards and autographs, like Jackie Robinson, right? I mean, just and I made the mistake of not securing them before I went to college and my mother wanted reclaim my room and just threw it out thinking this. This is this is not an uncommon story as you know, David. Yeah, I know. But it's one that sticks Mike Kreil tell you that, but how. Much would like a the first addition of Spiderman yield today. So the first appearance of Spiderman sort of on the, you know that in that hobby, it's very grade driven, right? The nicer the book is the more brings, but you know. So the range on that book would be anywhere from fifteen thousand to two million dollars depending on the condition. You're probably let me say. The reason I want to have this discussion is even though she's she's slipped her earthly bonds. I still have this notion that my mom knows what I'm doing right. And if she's listening to this podcast, mom, do you hear that? Do you hear what you threw out? But anyway, so tell me it wasn't where there wasn't worth that. Then I loved it, though. Man, I you, we used to. I was veracious reader of comic books. I remember there was a blackout in New York in nineteen sixty six and so school. You know, every there was going to be no school. The next and a friend of mine mine and I went. Into the staircase of my. I lived in a housing project housing development in New York, and we just took a flashlights Nasreddin comic books for hours. I mean I- Yala changing. Them I was of racist comic book reader is a good to that was burning by the way you should know is there I tells you stories about he and his brother would and friends of theirs trade comic books. You know, he was living obviously in in Brooklyn, but you know, I was in Vermont, a small place, and it was really a way with them usually escape right now before twenty five TV and the, you know, people don't remember the days of the, you know, the staticky late night television, the flame the planes flying, the national anthem and like there was three TV stations, just a different like now there's so much entertainment on your phone or on the big screen or whatever. But there were, you know, comic books for quite a few generations for major form of escapism ended you have. Did you favor? Did you? I mean, I was kind of like a marvel Anna DC. Yeah, I was. I was I was too, so I. So I, I decided to after spending couple years of the Senate staff that I was just done with politics. So why Chris? You get tired of it after all. It's tough, right? You know, I ran the Senate campaign. I, I went was in Vermont live for six months. I went Monday through Friday. Vermont had little kids back in DC. Yeah, right in northern Virginia. Yes. So I just wanted to do something else and thought I would do that and my daughter runs the store now. So family business, it's been successful. I don't know that it's a business that like impasse onto them. Ultimately the the interest will still be there in the in the world for comic profit making venture. Absolutely, yes. Yep. Yep. I seven employee's. And is that. I know that you have this side gig which is looking after the Sanders, my primary gig, the comic book businesses. Just because you think Bernie may decide the side gig now, but I, you know, I was happily there until I got the call and you know twenty fifteen. Yeah. Let's talk about that. You know, I, I remember when he decided that he was gonna run. Now, a lot of people took that very seriously. I remember from my own time in the Senate, I remember going to the Senate caucus, he always was sitting by himself. You know, Bernie Sanders was a solitary figure and he had issues that he raised that others weren't raising and so on. But nobody really thought of him, you wouldn't look around and see this kind of rumpled wild haired guys sitting by himself and say, this is the guy in the room who's going to be president of the United States site, the millennial generation. Exactly, yes. Tell me about the pro that process of deciding that he was going to to run. Yeah. Well, I, you know, I have to tell you like carcass my book he called me up for meeting in, you know. As you point out Bernie's very focused on his work and like social Nicey. So like when you when I work with him, I, you know, we talk every day and often multiple and on us so forth. But when you're not working with them, even if you were coming over and have a beer is not like a lot of coming over and have a Ben and Jerry's, right? Say, right, you know, I would get invited to the holiday party and go to that. But other than that, you didn't really hear from him much. So I got a call from out of the blue ask if I wanted to have dinner. So we went and had dinner Union Station, and it was just all chitchat, right? Like how you doing how you kids doing? I was helping coach my kids little league teams. How's your store doing? And like, you know, just like if I went out to dinner at some point, you like you've done to talking people go home and I went home and my wife said, what did he want? And I was like, I have no idea. This is before he, you know, but this is not clearly he wanted something and then you know, it became clear after watching news. He did this to around the country. This pre tour, I wanna few places so it became clear that he was thinking about running for president. And then he called me up again and we went to dinner. Again. This was right before he announced before he announced. And I said, we're gonna talk about today. What we were supposed to talk about last time. And I, I just think why didn't he talk to you about was trying to gauge how good my life was. Whether I, he should say, you should throw that away and well, you must have been pretty persuasive sincere raise the subject, right? Right, right. No, I was in the comic book businesses. Fantastic. Was just I had. I had a very good life and explained to me that he was gonna run for president. We talked about sort of his thinking about what he wanted to be like, you know, at that point had already talked to a number of consultants post, not a poster of that time whenever pollster till the fall, but you know, TV guys on the digital guys and you know it all seemed very expensive to him, which it is very expensive and. I, you know, I think some of you wanted somebody to help sort all that and like somebody he was clearly in his corner. Right. Sure you didn't get ripped off. Right, and that things were done the way he wanted them done that he wasn't, you know, consumed by consultants view of what he should be your say, right? He he's always been super resistant to that, which is one of his right appeal. Yeah, right. Exactly. So, you know, he certainly understood the value that you know people can raise money on line or people that can run a social media campaign or people that can create TV commercials or people that you know an ultimately people I can poll, you know, he understands the value of these things, but he doesn't wanna be consumed by them. Right. And so so he finally put his cards on the table and said, will you do this. Yes. And we talked, you know, we talked about and I'm gonna be the only one probably maybe even more than than he was convinced that not that he would win, but that he could win because I seen it in Vermont, and you know, people have a view of him and you know, it's largely stereotypical view at this point about who he appeals to. You know how people relate to him, but you know, I saw, you know, rural people, otherwise, Republican, rural people who love Bernie Sanders. I'm outta remember very distinctly, he and I went to strawberry festival Saint enshrine in the in the islands and in the in lake Champlain, and we went to the cafeteria, various running for governor. I think very early on and we were in a cap cafeteria, and they're bunch of French-Canadian ladies over Montrose, but French Canadian heritage. Look like my grandmother behind the counter. You know, we're like the jello and the, you know, the metal bars. You run your tray down and they were literally David crawling. Through the food to get to Bernie Sanders. And this is very early on. And so he has always had this connection with rural people that I think people don't understand you saw in the primaries, you know, and I've talked to, you know, I'm actually have great relations with a lot of the senior, Hillary people now haven't worked with them in the general election and they didn't get it either until later in the campaign that in fact, Bernie Sanders was going to do well with rural Democrats with quote, unquote, moderate Democrats. He did much better with those voters than Hillary Clinton, right when you and you know, they were point trying to drive those voters out to counter him. In fact, they were helping him, you know. So let's dive in for a second into that appeal. I mean, there's a lot been made of sort of the the fact that Trump energize these rural voters that Sanders energize, these rural voters that there were some populist themes in common on trade. For example, how much of it, how much of what evolved in that campaign was about him and how much was it about about Hillary who for all her strength was and was true in two thousand eight as well. Really kind of a avatar of of the status quo very well established Washington figure who is associated with, you know the the establishment Washington in in every conceivable way. Right. Right. Look, you know, elections binary so it particularly have two person race. It's a choice. Apologies to governor O'Malley right? Became binary very quick very quickly. I mean, just like in two thousand eight mean John Edwards was did not play the role in that race that he played in two thousand four were you know where he was one of the top two. People we had. You know, the that field was, you know, people forget it was Joe Joe Biden, and Chris Dodd, Bill Richardson, and there were other serious people in that race that field you you, you had it was advantageous to be in a binary race? Yes. No, that's exactly right. But you know, and Brock Obama was certainly outside outside candidate in that primary, there's no doubt about that. But like I do think that there is a lot of discontent in the country, a lot of anxiety in the country. I think it's it's largely economic manifests itself in other ways. And I think that the Clinton people didn't get that in twenty sixteen, you know, I think a lot of the policy people she had around her were very much more conservative, not not mean Republican, but I mean conservative cautious an incremental in there. Yeah. I think that they had suddenly Bernie caught on and they really tried to catch up right mean her. She was not for fifteen dollars minimum wage and to get to New York. And she was for, you know, there was like evolution in her policy prescription. They kept getting more and more left to try to. Catch that was problematical as well because one of inauthentic city was one of the charges exact can. So if you try and change in order to catch up, you're also opening yourself up to even more questions about ROY you actually feel strongly about now. That's right. I look, you know, the polling was like the very beginning of the race. Appalling was at least that I saw was pretty clear that Hillary Clinton was very popular with self identified. Democrats. I mean, are popular is very high. You know, Bama was slightly higher, but you know, he's beloved by a Democrats, but she had a real problem. This is before any engagement with Bernie a problem with younger voters, and she had problem with independent voters on his, you know, in most places in this country, independent voters can participate in the democratic primary process and her favorables when you got to a democratically leaning independent, they weren't like off a cliff, and there was a lot of there's been a lot of like while you talk about what Bernie one or not. Want. And obviously the Clinton people say, well, he would have adult these attacks against him that already had these attacks against her, but they had landed on her and she was carrying baggage, and it really hurt her with independent voters in general election as you know, that's that's. That's a big, you know, what are you going to tell independent voters who have fixed notion of you from decades that's going to change their mind? Right. When you start with high negatives with independent voters? I, it's, it's a real challenge. There are, you know, everybody has their view in hindsight, there people who are close to her who say you guys cost her the general because the primary was so vital bre tive so difficult so lane, th-they so costly. I know you guys were helpful to her in the general as you point out, you work with them in the general, but what do you say to that? Yeah, I think that that is just one hundred percent wrong frankly. I mean, if you look at, if you look at. The tone and tenor of that twenty sixteen race compared to two thousand eight. It was a much tamer exchange than in two thousand eight frankly. And you know, I always look back to actually believe in long primary had actually benefits. Democrats media only likes to cover conflict and soon as the conflict resume coverage in two thousand eight. We absolutely mean we wanted to end early, right? Nobody really wants to go through a long primary. I came to believe that people wanted to see Obama run the full course right because he was a young guy and not would not a lot of Washington experience, so they were testing him, but it also is true that from an organizational standpoint, having a run races and fifty states, yes, created, you know, mow it forward momentum in those states and organization. So in that was good and in the race dominated, you know, McCain, John McCain was the candidate in two thousand. After the problem couldn't break into the story because everyone is focused on the democratic race. Well, and you look at two thousand four when Edwards leaves the race in April, like the cover media coverage of Kerry just goes away until the convention. And then the next always being swift boated in August. Meanwhile, the Republican ministration was on, I was on the hill, then they would try out a cabinet secretary or high level governor official literally on the hour and dominate the news for the entire Carey could not break through, but that was because the primaries over the quote, unquote conflict was gone in the media went away. I guess the essence of the the, the suggestion they're making some of the themes that you guys developed against her in the primaries became themes that Trump picked up on an infect Trump loved to quote, Bernie Sanders against her mischievous I guess that's benign way of saying. Has that is that is, but so there is that you guys opened up some wounds that were that were hard to to heal. I'm not sure that those wounds weren't there before the campaign started. I mean, as I pointed out, you know, independent voters difficulty with Hillary Clinton before the campaign was even engaged, and it was largely on the issue of trustworthiness. That was something they came to the election. That was something that was created by our campaign, and frankly they have I, you know, I there moments when you talk to when bef- you had many debates. Some were pretty there was some pretty sharp exchange. New York was probably the stress I, I remember it well, we were on the. We were on the ropes we had to do well in New York. And what kind of conversations did you have about how far he was willing to go? Yeah, he was, you know, so friends too. You know, he did not go after the foundation, right. That would been clearly something that somebody could have gone after he didn't wanna go there. You member? He famously said at the November at the Las Vegas, I hire the damn emails point being it's dominating the conversation. Let's talk about. He wanted to talk about single payer healthcare. He wanted to talk about the fifteen minimum wage climate change. You wanted to talk about these issues and probably though was a very big moment for him when he said that wasn't it? Yes, because it was unlike what people expect from politicians not to not to jump in on on an opportunity like that. Right. And he, you know, I mean, he doesn't people's personalities or their personal life since he just he's not interested in that kind of politics. He didn't. He, you know, he always wants to, you know, if he had won, he would have wanted to have one on the basis of the ideas that he was putting forward so that he would have in some way mandate to push those ideas through because it's not it's not personal for him. As he often tells me, look, you know where I come from, I wasn't somebody who was born groom to be president of the United States. I don't have to be president of the United States and that's up. That's absolutely true. He's not somebody who's you know, was groomed from child to be the next leader of the free world. That's not who he is in net net pack in Brooklyn. They weren't there. Nobody training school in Brooklyn that insa- that guy looks like he could be president United States -actly, hey. You yourself had some pretty. You're a fierce advocate for your guy, and you had some really big rose particularly about the process itself and what you felt was the stacking of the process against him, and I assume you to this day, you feel that way. I think you've written on it and you know, I absolute. It was well, we know Donna Brazile exposed that in the summer of twenty fifteen. You know, there's a document between w Osman shows on the Clinton campaign, essentially giving them control over staffing and messaging. And that was certainly not something that was revealed during the campaign, but there were enough other things. It's clear that the Clinton campaign dictated the debate schedule including wear and win and how many there would be that was dictated by them. And you know, I mean, Tom Perez I think is in a much different position. I think he will be a regardless of who's the candidate will be a much, you know, honest bro, honest broker. I mean, that'd be Wasserman Schultz, you know you, you remember the point in which she showed off our data because. Couple of low level staffers, you know, took advantage of a breach in the firewall. I mean, you know the the charge was that you guys had stolen date of chores campaign, which the subsequent investigation demonstrated which we paid for showed by a contractor picked by the DNC. There was no data stone was modeling data. You would have had to memorize, you know, ten thousand personal lists and the course of thirty or forty seconds in order to have had data you should answer. I didn't ask you when you brought it up before, do you think he would have beaten, you think Bernie Sanders would have beaten Donald? Absolutely. I do think he would have beaten Trump and because he would not, you know, if you look at, you know, you look at Michigan, Hillary Clinton loss Michigan. The primary, she lost John election in exactly the same way. You know there was depressed turnout into Troy and Wayne County, and then overwhelming turnout against her everywhere else. Small towns, rural areas, suburbs, and he was. Was it was an identity. You know, Bernie Sanders would not have lost Michigan, not have lost, Wisconsin. I hear you and, and I don't know the answer the question really, but she kinda cleaned his clock among African American voters in the primary. So why do you think they'd be more well. Well, that's not. So that's the narrative right in early in the campaign that was true. By the time we get to Michigan, he's going toe-to-toe with her with African American voters under forty. By the time we get to Pennsylvania when the campaign in fact is tanking. Basically our campaign after New York started steady decline. He was doing better than she was with African Americans under forty. We only lost the African American vote in Pennsylvania by ten points. I think we lost the overall state by more. So we're doing better with black folks, American voters under forty or not a majority of African American votes. No, that's right. But you know, this was an issue throughout the campaign David. If you look at voters over. Yeah, six any race? It doesn't. It was. That was not, you know, what is true? Is that according to the exit polls, the percentage of African American voters who are millennials, much smaller than other communities of in the x. oppose. It was twelve percent of African-American boaters millennials in a non African American community? Democratic. Primaries it was eighteen percent. And so that you know made us look like we're doing even worse with African American voters, but it was primarily had a lot to do with the age of the electric, not the race of the electorate, but I will admit that it, you know, certainly in the south of the beginning he was crucial. It was, you know, this is important because you were talking before we started rolling about the fact that there are a lot of people aren't run for president who talk about it as if it's, you know, like the voice or something, you just kind of reform and then everybody votes. It's a process. Yes. And it begins an Iowa and you have to and New Hampshire. You know, you've got Nevada, and then South Carolina, where the vote is majority African American vote in the primary and the question is, and even now with the California primary has been moved back. So early voting will be in on the day of the Iowa caucuses. You have to figure out how you're going to navigate this because if you don't. You know, there's not going to be a binary choice in two thousand and twenty th this is like, you know the, they're going to be the multiple. Yes, it's going to be. I mean, it's easier to list the number of Democrats who aren't thinking of running for president than those who are. So only a few are gonna come through that funnel that is New Hampshire, and and if you do survive, it then becomes really important how you can compete with African American voters disproportionate impact on some of these primaries, South Carolina. Super Tuesday. Primaries these southern primaries. And the cost of how much do you think it will cost a candidate to just run the first four races run through the South Carolina primary into Super Tuesday this time. Well, as you point out, California will start voting when I was voting. So you have to be advertising even yet to be at the be a couple of weeks early, even there which was enormously. Let's fifty million if you wanted full flight of six weeks TV in California. What are you talking about? Fifty million dollars, right? Yes, I was probably sixteen fifteen sixteen million New Hampshire because of your. In media market is another is probably similar, you know, Nevada's cheaper, but I mean, it's probably six or seven, South Carolina could be three or four. I mean, so, and then you know, that's just for TV that that doesn't even spiel flying your candidate around on a plane and the fact that you know if a couple of days after South Carolina ho Slough, other states are voting right? You get Minnesota, Colorado, Oklahoma, Alabama, Georgia, Texas. And so if you have to advertise Mulvaney smells by by the time you get to Super Tuesday. I mean, just on television, you might have to spend a hundred fifty million dollars, which is unbelievable really does speak to right away a differentiator if candidates can do that Moore candidate could presumably because he has developed a base around the country. So I have to ask you the question as to where do you think his head is right now? Well, you know, I speak to him about it. Often, you know it, it, you know, one one question that sort of ways on him and I because he's a serious guys. He wants to make sure that Trump has beaten at twenty twenty. And he wants to be very confident that if he runs these wearing because he's the person who's best able to do that now I think he is, but I'm not the candidate and if he decides he is, I think the chance of running much higher. I think if he what about age Jeff, I mean, you know, I know he's an energetic guy. Anybody watches them on. TV can see that, but there are certain immutable laws early, not David. So you're, you're willing to test that. But I mean, I've been with the candidate in in in in been several candidates in presidential races. I know what they exact- I know what the presidency exacts. How much of a consideration is your look? You know, chronological age is one thing. You know, his biological age has to be has to, you know, his body has to just be younger. I mean, the guy puts you know, he puts Twenty-three-year-old media people, you know to shame try to follow him around. I mean, the hardest working person. I know he doesn't stop. This isn't a concern for you? Not not for me in terms of his ability to do it. Absolutely not. No. If I, if I thought he was going to look, the guy has had the guy. The guys had an electoral career guys, United States Senator. He was close runner for president got forty, three percent of having Leicester's Greer's. You've been around a while. Right? He has been around for a while. So like there's if he decides run for president, you know, the guys galvanized the whole generation of young people to get involved in politics. He's changed the debate in this country. I mean, so like he has nothing to prove to me, you know, I think you'd be a great president. I think he could institutionalize a lot of the policies that he has been advocating that have caught fire around the country. Last time he ran as you point out it was, hey, he and Hillary basically alone this time. As we point out, there's going to be a large field. Some of them are right in his lane. Elizabeth Warren who's already announced that she's going to seriously consider it, which I would take as a kind of very. Signal and everything she's doing suggests that that she's going to run. They do share a base on the surpassed. Bula laughed. She has the additional of quality of of being a woman, which I think especially in this day and age is is, is is a valuable asset will be in the primaries are in two thousand and twenty. I saw poll that was just done recently in Iowa of caucus-goers and it had Biden ahead substantially and then warn was second Sanders narrowly behind. Essentially they were splitting. What would I think have been the Sanders vote? So can they both run in the same race and be successful well, and you're, you're right. There was a BuzzFeed star recently about this sort of relationship of. You know, Warren versus Sanders and I think you're right to say that it's his lane. I mean he ran last time when she did not. You know, I think there is some resentment among some of his people that she did. She supported Hillary Clinton and not him, but I do look. I do think at a crowded field. There's room for both of them. I've seen the rich. I thought she was neutral. None of she ended up supporting Hillary and so there you know and I've seen other research and what you have to understand about Iowa. You know how Bernie Sanders, I think probably won the popular vote nihil, but because you know, they don't report the popular vote. They will now they have them out or new democratic rules, but they didn't then is you know, he changed the nature of the electorate in Iowa every those hundred thirty five thousand people show showing up and their one hundred seventy thousand people. And you know, in that book shattered, they talk about it, they Hilary people were shocked that of those new voters, you know they were. They thought it'd be like two to one for Bernie or forty, and there were ten to one. There's no competing for the. They're going to be a lot of, you know the Harris and perhaps Cory Booker and others who will be all competing for the. That's right. But I, I think Bernie Sanders has unique appeal voters. I really do, particularly the voters that we're talking about, which is, you know, we call low propensity voters who were less likely vote. He just has an appeal with those voters at that. Others are not. I'll tell you another thing he has. He has one loyal friend in you, and I'm sure that whatever he does that you will be in the thick of it because your conscience won't allow you to sell comment. Hang around the comic bookstore while that's all going Jeff Weaver. It's great to be with you, and thank you so much for coming to thank happy. 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