14 Episode results for "Governor Huckabee"
Smashing the Digital Glass Ceiling at the State Capitol (Part 1)
"Welcome to competency as shark bites. Podcast with alan shark. Executive director at the public technology institute. Hi win this is ellen shark in. Welcome to another podcast. Shark bites part of calm. Tia i am. The executive director of the public technologies toot and probably part of calm. Tia so welcome to another episode. And if you're liking these episodes we asked you to subscribe wherever you get your podcast these days. We focused on technology leadership. And today we're going to do just that. We're very honored to have to folks that i know and i've known for many many years. Today we have karen robertson and we have clear bailey. Welcome both of you cited to be here. Yeah great to be here so karen. You are currently the ceo and founder of k. w. r. acuity strategies. You're the former co the state of texas for just over five years and worked in texas governor's office for some ten years before that and then also joining us of course clear bailey. Vice president business development now also at k. w. r. but formerly served as director. Cto for the state of arkansas for some twenty three years. I could go on about the awards that you have received from nasio and elsewhere all the other things that you have done. But i've got to start with. How did you get to where you are so when you woke up one morning did you say i mean some people say i want to be a scientist and engineer airline pilot. What got you into tech. Let's start with you karen. And then we're going to do the same for you claire. Right thanks allen Technology just landed and it was It i was running small local government campaigns. I did city council races school board. Races commission county commissioner races. And of course that was the when technology's first started and i had to figure it out. I mean they all computers that we had and we were creating databases of of contributors and it was just a lot of face to face. But then i'd go back and we had to provide all these reports for legal reasons so i started taking classes at ut at night and someone suggested at one way. The girls were mike. Girls are a little bit older. And i could be on longer. So there's a job over the capitol you should go check it out like walk in. And basically they said. Have you fill out the application. And i said no we need you so i immediately started working at the capital in the house of representatives. On side the lieutenant governor's office was creating. They called it a mac chain. And while i was in this technology school and learning the i got assigned to. The lieutenant governor's office. And that was bob bullock at the time and then laptops became popular. The senate floor needed All the support in. I was that gal so the joke is i was the laptop when the senators first getting their laptops and i learned projects and the rest is history. The lieutenant governor left at that time. And i went to work in governor bush's office and then perry came over and i started working injured in. It in his office. Let's go back a little bit. Further growing up as a little girl i mean. Did your family encourage you to get into technology. They buy you tinker toy advanced toys. I mean was. We're is that spark read just fell into it. I think this farc was in customer service my family. My dad was in an engineer at nasa and we kind of paid attention to that because we were growing up in that era of the astronauts and it was. It was cool. I mean we were those little kids sitting in front of the tv watching our neighbors take off and go to space. But my mom's family was in the restaurant business. And we would get calls or i would get calls from my grandfather. He'd say what are you doing before. I could finish my sentence and say nothing or homework. He would say. Well i just bought a bunch of cigars. And i need you to be the cigar girl today and i said grandpa. I don't know about cigars where you're gonna learn so things that i had both sides right brain left brain had to be creative in. Learn how to sell cigars and not know anything about it. Be a hostess in a restaurant. Shut oysters whenever that was needed. And then also be part of that space station stuff going on and try to understand what my dad was doing. Little side note later in lock. My dad was asked to go back and do some consulting with nasa. He calls me. None of what are you doing. I can't. I don't really know how to tell my friends exactly what your job is and i was already cio. It's amazing story. Clear what we was a spark in your life. That is interesting when when you look back on charleston things of i was the youngest are still am. i guess. The youngest is six other have aged in dog years through my career that choices but i the youngest in the youngest of six and it in my father had a produce company and if a piece of equipment failed like a adding machine or a cash register or typewriter I would fix it. They would bring it home. They would get something else but they just let me play with those types of toys. And then he fast forward always headed interest in government. I went to girls stayed in the state of texas. And seventy seven seven. Seventy seven asks back to be there to work on the paper. They're singing texas in seventy eight. That gave me my love of public policy. Myra my first letter to congressman. When i was about six years old because i watched a sixty minutes episode on how we should ensure that the onesies babies were wore everybody din back to smoke in their ashes. Mean it sounds horrible. But that's that's a culture. We grew up in in these ones as the babies were in. Were highly flammable. And i just thought that's ridiculous to government. She stabbed standards so fast. Forward to up in paris. Texas the second largest pierce in the world. Everybody says that about me i. My father was a victim of a heat. Issue in nineteen eighty in ring had these horrible consecutive days. Degrees over hundred passed away to your heart attack. His medical records were not accessible. Not that it's nineteen eighties. And he had seen a heart specialist recently without sharing it with us the family or my mother but it was in the same hospital system in the emergency room. Doctor we just changed where we had. Er doctors not your family doctor back in the day. If you went to the hospital in paris texas your family doctor was called. We just nineteen ninety changed over and as way review the processes of just a virgo systems analytics. Rensma rain all the time. I began to save why. It's nineteen ninety. I haven't we corrected this with computer systems and even today i still fight that battle so that championed made a change mind degree plan from journalism in being an english major because i wanted to teach to becoming a computer science graduate in nineteen ninety four from east texas state university which is now part of am at think about that often now. Talk about workforce diversity and encouraging people to become interested in technology. Very early age for for me. It was the environment that i was raised at. Whatever you think or want to do you can do it. Don't let the word can't be in your vocabulary and just figure it out in that thing that comes from being the baby of six and figuring out how to get food at the family dinner because the plight was always empty by the time they passed. Its you or if it's how to ensure that we can get public sector access to every component of a rural state like arkansas. How do we leverage. Mobile devices versus thinking traditionally about the way people go into an office. So that's my background and my journey. What i think. Sharon i'd definitely have in. Common is not only our passion for improving things but we grew up in that customer service. If people don't want to use your services they have a lot of options. So how do you ensure what we deliver is truly what the the citizens nate across the nation. So both of you you know answer the call a public service which is really cool. I feel i have done the same thing. Even in the nonprofit world in my career so karen How do you explain your tenure. You know when we look at the average tenure of a cio at the state level. It's usually anywhere from eighteen to twenty four months very much dependent on politics and the whims of the governor. You were there for well over five years and so ten before that. What do you owe to your longevity. Because that's unusual let alone being a woman so if you count all my years with state service it was twenty one Prior to that you know. I did the political campaigns but When i was asked to go over and consider taking the cio role and the executive director role the department of information resources. I did not raise my hand in volunteer. I was asked by. The governor's office the chief of staff to go over and try to help sort out what was going on with the consolidation project which was a huge project and i had i saw myself living. Through the governor's office as director of administration had technology had other divisions that reported up and it was. It was a dream job for me. So what kept me going. In what goddess. Got me through the longevity was i had the support of leadership i had the the background i had. The connection also was told that if i wanted to go back to the office of the governor i had my parking spot back but after nine months over there i started to see how we could build relationships and build and fix basically what was broken and be part of the solution and not the problem so we you know even through naseer relationships. I really did learn a lot. About how other states were being handled and other agencies and the challenges but having the background the relationships within the agency might national relationships with clare in yourself lots of listening and participating so i would come back and report. That to the governor's office and they just keep going as long as you can. So you had a staying power because of your leadership and the reputation that you delivered claire. I'm assuming the similar story. But i want to hear it from your words. My journey was different than cairns. Because i'm working the agency where i was appointed to be director of information information systems through a series of growth opportunities so for example governor huckabee. I learned may when we had a project. We implemented a new revenue automation system. The year before in governor huckabee's fascinating An amazing leader but he always had his vision on what his next steps were going to be in those next steps at that time included running for president so he was all about leveraging and moving arkansas forward with technology one of the strongest supporters of technology. I've worked with in my career from a political perspective. So when you look at that approach she has one of those people remember. I don't say can't and we had implemented new mainframe system prior the prior year in people. We made the news because no one could get through a dmv office motor vehicle office to get their driver's license and to get their car tags. Rename it stopped and so we got a lot of funding to create a way to renew your car tags online now remember. This is around than we ninety. Seven ninety eight time frame and we had just embarked on arkansas dot gov a lot of different things were happening and they came to immediately that state project and every day the agency director at the time would look at me inside house. My favorite project. We're fine mr yet. Did not like to be called by his first name and we're fine and he said you do realize that if this does not work you're fired i said yes sir. And that was about every single day of that year long project nameless to say that when we worked together way to dream team and that's part of our success process that success of that project then got me recognized at the leadership level with governor huckabee's team in fast forward. To some of the times it happened across transitions. And i was recommended to lead the agent. Same in so i knew the new. The teams do. The agencies had already had established relationships with our partners which is critical to any later success. It's not just about your team. That have you worked through out the technology community whether your city county state local. i don't care federal global. You have to have those relationships that span and build that trusted network. It's also about actions that you you can activate a team knock that fall out of the park. Be successful not every is going to be successful but learn from it and move forward. So that was values the southern term. We could get it done in after that we had an election and then the democratic party in another amazing governor had the best in breed across political parties governor might be amazing later and i was able. I was reappointed and one of the things that we worked on together was. How do we ensure for roundup public safety network. How do we ensure that wherever you are in the state of arkansas. When you call nine one one you get answer and you can dispatch radio to that and that at again. These are high level strategic goals with executing projects that lead up to ensuring can achieve those goals that requires legislative support. Sometimes you had the majority of the legislature in one forty. Sometimes you didn't but at the end of the day in my tenure in arkansas all of us regardless of political party were trying to move that needle further for the state of arkansas and that was the fun part of being in public service in the sacred to is their secret to being kept or your longevity in government it ties back to your passion. It ties back to those relationships that it also ties back to getting projects completed securing the infrastructure maximizing the dollars making sure you're compliant with all of the rules and regulations at the state and federal level. You name it. All of those things. Come together and we worked with the arkansas Institute of performance excellence which was caught quality based organization to have external insight. Come in office to make sure we were meeting those components so long answer to say it's abacha relationships. It's about your actions in. It's about making sure you're continuing to make your state forward. And i like your comparisons in terms of the political environment in which you worked. I've worked with many colleagues across the country. And i like to believe that when it comes to technology it should be politically agnostic and i see the federal government regardless of how we see things the national level i have been so inspired by the continuity even from the last administration the one before that that the folks at the stints that'll ceo In the last administration was from texas and she was great. I enjoyed working with her and they just passed the mantle. You know that upper level you know. Let them fight it out. But that technology layer you know they just build upon the success of the other. So i want to jump ahead because you both have such incredible stellar reputations. To this day what can be done to attract more women not only in technology. Because i think they're tons of women in technology it's technology leadership. You both know that something that i have dedicated myself to for the last decade our our certification programs and there are plenty of women in technology. There is a shortage in the leadership. Field any ideas that That can comes to mind champion. I is that one of the things that we see and we have seen in. We've worked together along with a a dear friend of ours. Jennifer axe to build a group of of wing women who get together regularly during kobe. After hours we label at gun gals jennifer came up with us with the concept is our our leader. But at the same time we reach out to men and women but women network differently when we have when we see a new female cio be appointed. We want them to no in in truth. Just like technologies politically agnostic. I grew up in a world. Probably because i'm the youngest of five girls one boy being a girl in matter i did. I was offered the same opportunities. So i didn't grow up in a world where you can't do that because you're female or you're not included so i zero expectation that anybody makes a judgment on my leadership skills because i'm female now that's my perception. And how do we ensure that all people male and female see if the same white that we're working to build that those skills and that leadership dull at the same time that it's it's regardless it's your skills it's how well you do your job so we're working together to build that network to to just help people understand. You can do anything you set your mind today and if you want that jab one of the questions earlier on was did you just grow up thinking wannabe the over the state of arkansas. Now but when i was in the organization i did. I did say that. I wanted to own my own building and be named after my mind magazine that created so. That's still going to happen. But but the other part of that was now. But i did when i worked in the agency. Stay repeatedly when. I'm the cto director this agency. We're not gonna do it this way and so i did have that goal to change things particularly for for the peers and for the team so that we could do things the way they needed to be done in the agency but let's network in. Let's get this feeling out there that you can be anything he wants to and as you know come ti is totally behind that and everything so therefore you karen your thoughts on that. Well i wanna go back a little bit on the on the gulf gals That was an idea that that came together. And while we were all quarantined claire and jennifer. And i realized that a lot of these women coming into those roles. We didn't really get to know folks unless we were at the national events of which you know where we were. All bombarded by our peers are our vendor partners and in the likes but through gove gals. We actually got walk off offline there were snow selling of product. We talked about shopping and we really enjoyed getting to know the likes of some of these new lady. Cio's coming into their roles and on a personal level so it is about to me. It's really about the relationship if eve established and it's about trust and i mean we would show what we shop for that week or month depending on how long it'd been since we had the call and we not just at the cio level for states. But we dug down and really talk to folks at the county level and the city level Lots of guys wanted to get on our calls. We invited a few couple times. I think doug was honored call once and we just really. We just share that idea and one of the groups that i'm a member of in texas task and this year we work for all year on. I was on a couple of committees. And one of the breakout sessions is called women in technology and against the guys wanted to be involved in that group so this year we opened the doors. Let them come. We always have. It's just a bonding time. And you don't really get to to enjoy the other ladies and encourage the up and coming leaders unless you're in a close in the setting and you talk about things that you could expand on and develop those trusted relationships is also. We talked about struggles city and not. Just the job startles. Well we did talk about how do you. How are you surviving. Not being in the office have because for a lot of people in. I've been remote for over six years now so it wasn't a change for me but for a lot of the government people that's hard and do you continue to lead that way. How do you shift and then a lot about my shopping addiction. I don't anyone never watches this podcast. We did have a couple of ciao's that were broadcasting or not broadcasting participating from their basements so you know we as cio's. I was spoiled. I had a team behind me. I had not had a room. I had an office with a view and everyone had to pit. Everyone had to make do with the new challenges. So we really kept this group going and it's been fun and you know it's not as if somebody says what is god gals thanks but they are reminded because we do have our little instagram's and our our posts so listen commemorative glass. I wasn't going to say that clear. Now alan and this is a podcast. We need our dinnertime. Just a little bit about our style to it does it does. And you just beginning so there is so much more to discuss. If you don't mind can we come back at the next episode and continuous conversation. Because we're just beginning to scratch the surface. And so i'm seeing nods. Yes absolutely alison. Let me just say that. We are having a fantastic conversation with karen robinson and claire bailey. Stave agreed to be in the next episode. So join us for our next episode and by all means. Subscribe to shark bites Wherever you get your podcasts again. Thank you so much for being with us today. This has been a production of pti the public technology institute to learn more visit. Pti dot org.
Former Governor Mike Huckabee 12-8-19
"Good Morning America. This is the cats roundtable. This is Shaun Caz Matiz. It's Sunday morning with us. This morning governor Mike Huckabee. He was governor of Arkansas who's a bestselling author. He was had successful television. Show on Fox and two-time candidate for president the morning Governor Huckabee. How are you John? I'm doing great such a pleasure to get to visit with you again and delighted to be on the show so so many things that are going on in Washington D. Do you have any insight of what's really going on. And how Nancy Pelosi's he's GonNa play this thing. And how. Mitch McConnell is GonNa play you know John. I think the most obvious thing is that the Democrats have put themselves in a corner and I think the net result itself. When it's all said and done it's GonNa be a landslide? Victory for Donald Trump in twenty twenty. They had spent their entire political fortune on trying in to undo the election results twenty sixteen. They never accepted the results. They've been talking about impeachment even before he was sworn in. But it's an impeachment that has been looking for a reason and they really haven't found one but they're going to go ahead and do it anyway. It is incredibly divided the country a lot of people who supported the president or obviously angry about it and John. There are a lot of people who support the president but they do not support this kind of new nor for dealing with an election that you lost. Most Americans believe that if you don't like Donald trump a US a year from now you have an opportunity to vote for somebody else awesome. That's how we change presidents in this country unless there's something so overwhelmingly egregious and that's why there's only been Really to other impeachments in all of our history Andrew Johnson and the eighteen sixties and in the Bill Clinton impeachment and. That's one that I have a feeling that a lot of Republicans listens wish they had done and it resulted in Bill Clinton's having the highest approval ratings but he ever had his entire career but keep keep in mind that he did plead guilty and Paid over eight hundred thousand dollars in fines. He was found guilty perjury so there was something there but it wasn't enough enough that the American people off it should be removed from office now It's so crazy that were going into the Christmas time and Instead of accomplishing something in all Congress. Nancy Pelosi is just pushing this. It's impeachment situation. Don't the American people aren't a smarter than John They are and I think the Democrats have played them for fools But the joke is going to be on the Democrats. What we saw happened this week in Congress with three very partisan Angry and bitter law professors With only Jonathan Turley the George Washington University law professor best showing any sense of objectivity and sense of reason. What we saw there was exactly? What's wrong with this country? The Democrats answer obsessed with getting rid of Donald Trump. No matter how they do it. They're not obsessed with fixing our situation at the border Signing the trade trade agreement that would put even more Americans to work and would cause an extraordinary bumping and already robust economy They're not interested in Settling the China. Trade deal are even things that they claim to champion whether it's Daca Our roads and transportation and infrastructure the structure. They've not lifted fainter to get those things thought they have been singularly obsessed with the impeaching and hopefully removing donald trump. And that's not gonNA happen even if and I expect. They will have enough votes for impeachment. They'll never get enough votes in the Senate for a removal and all This is less nothing less than a waste of the people's time under taxpayers money and nothing is getting accomplished now. The the president has threatened them and said okay. Impeach me that way it goes over to Mitch McConnell and one of the strategies I heard I'm Mitch. McConnell is to have a trial and tie up the Senate for six days a week they had to sit. Mitch is I heard that frankly. I hope that is exactly what happens because the one way that the Democrats will rue the moment that they decided to impeach is when they have to actually go through the process of having rules of evidence to submit things they would force out and shift to testify Under US they would be able to bring hunter by him and Joe Biden to talk about. What exactly did Joe Lean when he said that if he didn't have a prosecutor cuter fired in six hours the Ukraine's weren't going to get a billion and a half dollars? We need to know that we need to find out exactly how this whole process of investigating the president started was falsified biza documents it so Who goes to jail for that who the FBI? The intelligence community knew what was happening. Knew that it was illegal found another campaign and did it anyway and tap phones WHO conducted domestic espionage? Because if we really want to get to the bottom of it in my golly was fit to the bottom of it. Let's make sure that everybody gets a turn at bat steps up to the plate. Just take a swing at a few. The economy seems to be better than it's ever been before The jobs are job approval rating consumers are doing great The unemployment is the lowest ever. It's been what who can be trump. Oh you know. It's one of those things John you look at the numbers This week we had job numbers. Come out we're almost one hundred thousand jobs more than had been anticipated Japan's Stock Market continues to. We've had over a hundred peaks that are higher than they've ever been in history since Donald Trump took office the unemployment rates the lowest ever and most importantly the lowest from decent blacks are. There are a lot of people in this country that ought to be celebrating the results. Also Donald Trump even if they don't personally like it when it gets down to the next November and the American people are going to have a real simple decision. Do they want to keep this economy going or do they want to go back to the one where we had The an effective unemployment rate of ten percent wages were stagnant We were being beaten over the head by China and with trade deals We're actually now reducing the trade deficit with China that's because of the president's policies if people wanna go back to where we were they'll have that choice list but that's when the people of America need to make that choice and it shouldn't be in the hands of Nancy Pelosi Adam Schiff and if he can stay awake long enough Jerry Nadler now. The American people were surprised to find out that. If you're on a congressional floor you can lie all you want. And you're not guilty and you got immunity with Adam Schiff or Jerry Nadler or any of them One of the Senate call them and ask them to testify under oath. Janis imperative if that happens You know I don't want the Republican senators. She gets squishy on us. This is no time to become polite little Wallflowers they need to play hardball. Because that's the only thing that keeps this from Happening in the future we can't let this become the new norm and the one way that it won't is for Republicans to say okay guys in the house You play play partisan ball. WE'RE NOT GONNA play partisan ball but we're GONNA make everybody live by the rules. That would be the rules in a court which means due process US facing your accuser This guy they call. The whistleblower is not a whistle blower. He doesn't need any of the legal definitions bringing forth. Let's hear him talk about what he knows. He have conversations with Adam Schiff or his staff Prior to all of this coming out we need to ask out on fifth how he got the phone records of Devon Nunez how he got the phone records of many reporters John. This is fighting stuff if a member of Congress can just decide aside that he wants your phone records or mine The fourth amendment has been shredded and our founders. There's a lot of things. Those constitutional lawyers kept talking. The founders believed one thing I know they believe is that we shouldn't let government use its power to destroy the civil liberties of its citizens. And that's exactly and what we've seen happen governor. I agree one hundred percent and it's looks like to me and I you know I went to all the public schools and I went the same schools you did and it seems like this was a genuine attempted coup on government with the United States. Well John There's no doubt for Observation it was a conspiracy There was an attempted coup to talk and there has been an ongoing cover up and and we've seen all three of those things in this process against the pressure and for for the Justice Department for our country to regain credibility. I think it has to go all the way and somebody somebody has to go to jail. I couldn't agree more. I totally believe that if we don't do that then people people will know that. We have sunk to a place in America where there are two sets of rules one for those in power and wanted to those of us who will be crushed by that power agreed governor. It's we're coming up to the house as coming up to Christmas and I know you're religious man. I just want to say EH. Merry Christmas and happy holidays and and enjoy your family and you got a beautiful family. John I appreciate that a very merry Christmas to you as well into all your listeners. There's a delight to visit with you. God bless you God bless and we'll catch up soon. This is the case roundtable. We'll be right back.
Richard Sterban of the Oak Ridge Boys on TBN's July 4th Weekend Special Performance and More
"Welcome to the faith held and home digital podcast. I'm your host Makeba Giles here. We share information and resources for physical emotional and spiritual well-being to help families live and inspire lifestyle, an insurance healthy living. Thank you for joining us. Grammy Country Music Hall of Fame and Grand Ole. OPRY members the Oak Ridge. Boys are set to host TV July fourth weekend, special performing multiple zones along with guest two time, grammy nominated and GM May Dove Award Winner Nicole Mullen and Grammy Award whether Lee Greenwood fans can also look forward to timeless hits performed by an all true social distancing patriotic style I am so very excited as you can tell by me stabling and honored to have joining me today, one of the members of the Oak Ridge. Boys Mr Richard Sturman. Thank you so much for joining me today. Well thank you for having me and it certainly a pleasure for me here, representing all the oakwoods boys today. Wonderful now I I WANNA. Start off by saying or giving a explanation for my excitement. I grew up on you guys. My grandmother used to play your music all the time and You joined the ban in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety four. I joined in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine, hundred seventy. Two, I was born in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy five. So. Now you're really making me. Say I grew up on your music. I grew up on the Oak Ridge. On the, Not only playing on the radio, but back in that time we had TV specials to came on I cannot remember the names of them, but. There were country music specials that came on I. Believe every weekend, and I would see you guys perform. It was just blown away so the very first song that I used to seeing all of the time around my house, and my everywhere I went was Elvira. Okay and That is our climbed. Noah and I and I am the pop amount. That's. Beyond excited for. For this, yes, just just. Going around, you know not even being able to speak full sentences in in just walking rousing Elvira that was me. So I've I've followed you all's career through the years in just so very honored to have you with me today and to talk to you about. Your journey, but also about what you have coming up now I WANNA talk about how about your journey you have spent a lot of time on the role through all these years away from your family and everything, but things came to a pause because of covid nineteen tell us how is that transition been for all of you? And what have you all been doing during the pandemic? Well you know obviously, we have been home a lot more than we are accustomed to being hope you know the last day that we played was in March march the fourteenth, and we basically have been home since then you know You know I working a lot like we'll work I've always enjoyed being home, but I have to admit that this has gotten a little long. That's what what the Oak Ridge boys do what we love doing. What are feel like are calling is in my is to go at an sing sing songs up to people and encourage people with our music and we have not been able to do. Do that, so it's been a little frustrating, but we've been Avia. We've been able to do a few things like the TV show. That's coming up along TDA. We. We were able to do that last week. This coming Saturday beginning an a performance on the grand old opry, which will still be without an audience, but we'll be. We'll be out there performing on the stage of the opera. In a live TV audience as well so so we're war now being able to do a few things and now being able to do what we love doing, and You can get together and singing our songs. Yes absolutely Would you say that thing that you've missed? Most about being on the road is connecting with the fans. Well I. Think. That's a big deal. Well first of all you know, we miss each other. You know we we we we over the course of the years. We have become the best France, and I think one of the reasons. We've been able to experience. Long Jetty in the music. Business is because we have developed a voice basis special relationship between the four of us, you know each guy in the group is different. Each guy brings something different to the table so to speak, but that's that's a big part of. Of our appeal and over the course of the years we've learned to respect that difference and I think. We all realise a long time ago that we need each other, so we pull together as a team. You know we're a true brotherhood. We actually like each other. We're the best of friends and especially now that we're older I think we get along by them on. We were younger, so so we miss each other. We miss the Camaraderie the Brotherhood that exists between the four of us, but then yes, we missed. You know the fans that you know is very difficult to to have a concert diaper I show or performance without feedback from the audience. If people are friends are so very very important to us and You know so so that is. I think. Along with the friendship that we miss between the four balk. At the Oak Ridge, boys, we missed the feeling an exciting that we get from our fans, and so we are certainly looking forward to Middle of July Bombard Star playing a couple of days, and then once we're getting a dog looks like we're going to be able to work quite a basis. We're looking forward to days, so we can actually see our findings again and at and and more able to take our music live to our fans into our audience. Yea Bet you are and that's something that actually radiates through I unfortunately haven't been able to see you all in person, but I've seen a lot of television performances, and you can tell that you have that special bond bonding next it's it's. Very evident. Jokingly said if it, but you know, we actually like each other. We we we actually ride on the same bus together and there some groups in our business that you're not. So we, we ride on the same together. We so that that's relationship that exists between the four of us is very very special. City sounds it also comes through in your music as well and I. I think that's why you all have had the longevity that you've had one of the many reasons that you had the longevity that you've had and the success. Now you've record the of albums and you know they have done a lot of tours and performances. Do you have a personal favorite album or tour that you all have done? Well. That's difficult to say 'cause. We had so many over the US. And of course you have a sensitive to go to the albums that have sold the most, but they're not necessarily the ones that the at you like the light the best you know of course Elvira. That! Everyone talks about Elvira you mentioned it yourself. You know that's that's the song everyone expects to ear from the over boy ignites Hear me Ed up home. That so, yes, that is a lot of. We've recorded so many of the songs over the years that are very very meaningful you know, and and I can think of our latest album in particular nuts was produced by Dave. Cobb Dave Cobb is one of the outstanding producers now here, Nashville he's very much in demand, and he's been producing the Oak Ridge Boys, and and our latest album seventy. Th Avenue Revival is a very special project because he wanted US q Go to church on this album. Basically I remember. When we sat down, we met with things he said. I want you guys to think of of Elvis. I want you to think of great. Charles maybe some old blues and maybe Jerry Lee Lewis rockabilly, but what was it about those guys that made them special. He says is very same thing that makes you guys spousal. Very first singing they ever did was in church. It was a gospel music, so he said what I WANNA do on this on our our latest projects. He says I want to create that feeling of going to an old time revival meeting going to church again, and that's what we did on this project Dave. Dave Cobb knows something about that. Because his mother you know was a pentecostal preacher and he he's been his shower revival mating, so he knew what he was talking about as well and so going to RCA studio a recording. This album felt in a lot of ways like we were going to church. You know and and a lot of the mature that we. Borough, we recorded on. This project is very meaningful. Material People A. Music that is has a message that is helping people get through difficult times in their lives, and that's really what we are all about you know. We we we want to sing silence with the message that help people people. You never know when you're doing on stage looking at it in an audience, you never know what people are going through in their lives so we wanna be sympathetic to that, and we WANNA sing music. That helps people. Go Get through difficult times in our lives, and that's the only rebel on this latest project with Dave cobb and we were. We were so honored to be able to do it absolutely in. Thank you for sharing the details on your latest project to and in. In your, your music has always done that. It's always touched people. I'm inspired. We've we have. We have always tried to do that throughout our career. Even though we have even though we've had a very successful career in country music, we have always tried to record music. That conveys a positive message that we tried to stay away from negative things, and and and stick with the positive things in life and I think I. as a result of that I think the good Lord has has blessed our career. You know and so we have very strongly about that. Yes I, definitely agree you guys. definitely touched my career. My life is well in guide me through some times, too, so it is working Tell us with you talked about What your sound is for this most latest album What is your thoughts on some of the current trends of Country Music Industry today. Well I have to admit it's a little different. You know when I when I listened to. The country radio today and especially when I watched, the award shows. I can understand to a point why we do not quite in quite fit in right now. You know, but you know. Things are trends. Change over the course of the years. You know there was a time when we were considered the hot young country. Now we are considered. Classic country, but that's okay with the Oak Ridge boys because we look at these up these young kids that are doing and I think we have a lot of very young talented people that have come into our business, and they've taken the bar in business and raised several levels, and I think the businesses you know the bigger and better than it's ever been, but it is different, you know. Different than what we did, you know you know fifteen or twenty or even thirty years ago, so but I think that's a good thing and I. Don't think any of the ovary force have a problem I've we respect, but the young kids are doing in our business, and I think that that's the same gospel music as well I. Look at you, know contemporary, Christian Music Compact the Southern Gospel Music that we sign years ago. It is quite a bit different as well and I think that the kind of the same principle is you know things change over the course of the years and young kids are doing things a little differently now than what we gave me I. Guess India but you guys just with all the changes. And you still being here in instill in demand is still having the success that you have. It proves that what you guys have is very special. So looks like that's so. That's so nice, so kind of you say that. Thank you so much. It's very true now. We talked about. Fast forwarding in terms of of what's going on today, so let's go in reverse a little bit on. Tell us what are this? Did you look up to? You first started your career. Well, you know I'm GonNa have to say Probably Elvis. For for two years. Prior to joining the Oak, Ridge Boys. I Sang Group called J D Sumner and the stamps quartet, and for about a year and a half of that time I was able to sing with Elvis. I sang with the King of rock and roll, and you know Elvis then. Was the biggest star in the world. There's no doubt about it and his tour was the biggest tour in the music business. You know so the be part of. It was very very excited and now that I look back on it, you know. I had some very fond memories of the times I spent with Elvis and I. Did get to know well. It's just a little bit, and it was a very special time in my life but I. I think about all the memories I have without. Some of the best memories believe it or not involved singing Gospel music. Even though Elvis was the king of rock and roll, and he certainly was. I really believe that deep down inside his favorite music was Gospel Music and we spent a lot of time Getting together harmonizing singing Gospel quartets on, he ellis especially loved the black spirituals, and we will do a lot of that, and and and it was a. it was a very special time as I said in my life when we were on the road touring with Elvis. In the stamps, Quartet Ellis would want to try to find a piano most days. We kind of get around the piano and we started singing Gospel, sauce and I. Think you can tell whenever Elvis sign like how great thou art show particular going in the middle of the show they something he believed in burglary strongly, and it was. It was certainly a very special thing for me, so I would have to say out of all the artists that I've worked with over the years Elvis probably influenced me as much as anyone. Oh Wow now for people who, for this new generation What's something that you like to tell them about Elvis that they may not? Be Seeing you know in the media or in news like it? They try the research Elvis. We know a lot of things are. Kind of standard. You know in terms of the information. That you would like to introduce to. Generation about Elvis. Wh You know I? Think I pretty much touched on it. You know he like He. He loved you. Know Gospel Mus- A he. His mother raised him in Chris in a Christian home, she taught him right from wrong, and and that is something that was very important elvis you know, and and I think that contributed to his low of Gospel Music and and you could tell when he sang. Gospel music that he believed in what he was saying, and it was very very important, and so so I. Think I think as probably. Out of all the things that I remember about being with Elvis was the times we spent singing. Gospel Music Spurt Very special time for me personally as well. No, know such a great experience for you. The be able to have at that time. Yes, indeed now we're gonNA switch gears a little bit more and talk about some of your hobbies on you yourself for a huge baseball fan What are your thoughts on? What's happening right now? With the negotiations still have a major league baseball season this year. Well, you know. It looks like it's GonNa become a reality now i. just I just read a today. You know I I love baseball for for many years I owned part of our triple A. Team here Nashville the Nashville sounds and I just read today that minor league. Baseball officially announced that there will not be any minor league baseball this year. So that was kind of a side thing for me. You know but I'm I'm still happy to see. That looks like we're going to have major league baseball. And it looks like the teams are going to start tomorrow, which is the first of July sports start having training sessions. So that's that that's exciting. I'm looking forward to that If you know anything about baseball, you're going to realize that it's going to be a little different. You know there's GonNa be some rule. Changes for example. There's going to be the universal D. H. Designated here which that base major league. Baseball has never done that before. So that's GONNA. Be New IT Games. You'll into extra innings. The end is going to start with a runner on second based. That's going to be a little different. You know so. There's GonNa. Be Some changes and I think the. The biggest change is going to be that. They're going to be playing in front of no fans. You know that's GonNa be hard to get used to as well, but the good news is. It looks like my favorite sport. Baseball looks like it is GonNa, come back, and we're going to get to be able to see some of it this year. Right? Absolutely and I wanted to ask you that because of that announcement, and I was very excited to get your your thoughts on that, so thank you for answering that question now we're gonNA. Jump back into the music portion I'm. Let's talk a little bit more about these celebration. It's coming up that you're doing for the fourth of July weekend. What some of the things that the Oak Ridge boys have in store for their performance. Well We. We're going to be doing some of my favorite songs. Yeah, we Uh. We we had. We had the privilege almost two years ago now to sing at funeral. A President President Bush. Yoke Ridge, boys. We got to know President Bush very very well. Over the course of the years, we first met him many years ago when he was the vice president of the United States. We became friends with him. We established a friendship with him and his wonderful wife Barbara and we signed for him many times over the course of the years. One of his favorite songs, every time we signed for him was was amazing grace. He always requested amazing grace. It was his favorite song and he he wanted. You always wanted to hear that. Not Too long before he passed away. He asked us if we were saying amazing race at at his funeral, and so we were able to it. It's a long story, but we were able to. Change some things around where we did not miss a date on the road, but we stroll were able to get to the funeral, and we're able to sing him. Amazing grace for President Bush and as a result of that performance. You know seen on TV or you know around the world you know. Amazing. Grace has become one of most requested saw, so we we were. We're going on on the TV show. You know which is hosted by Mike. Huckabee. One of the songs that's going to be featured is Yoke Ridge. Boys Array arrangement of of probably one of the greatest Hams. Ever you know amazing race in my so who were excited about bringing to you? You know on the fourth of July. It'd be a special moment during the course of the TV show. I'm looking very forward to that myself. Because you're arrangement is just so beautiful. just beautifully done, so you're definitely. Looking forward to that for sure now, and besides from. What you're doing with the special and the current that you have out that you just mentioned you said you're going to. Look to get back on the road in July What's coming up after that for the Oak Ridge boys or there anymore? Projects in the works are eating. The I'm I'm I'm glad that you asked I ques- you know our our record label as asked us to do another album, and we were supposed to do it a couple of months ago, but because of the pandemic it had to be put on the backburner, but but you know our our latest. Some of our latest project have been Bruce by day cup. You know and I've talked about him earlier and what kind of? Of A special person he is so. The Dave compass agreed to do another album on your boys but he's busy catching up himself so as soon as the schedule can work out. We're going to get back into the studio. You know and we're going to work on another project. Produce here in Nashville by Dave Cop it's a little premature at this point. I cannot give you a title of the project or even any. Any in the songs that are going to be on the project just does get other than the fact that a record label once the project gave cobs agreed to do it, and we're excited about the prospects of working with et, but hopefully that will become a reality before the end of this year was a result, we can mortgage schedule over GONNA. Keep our fingers crossed for that now. Just one last question for you beyond the grammys in the hall of fame in Tree. The Oak Ridge Boys, we know as definitely a household name, an institution that has been passed down from generation to. I'm proof of that. Would you like for the group's legacy to be? Well, you know I think I think Obviously, we want to be remembered as a Mac. Job. Made a contribution to the music business, but more so than that. I think we want to be be remembered as a group that recorded music. was very meaningful. group that led recorded music that contain messages that were able to help people's lives. You know as I mentioned earlier in our interview. You know when you look at it to an audience every night. You never know what people are going to, but there's a lot of trouble in this world, and and if we can record music. That can touch a person's heart and change your person for the better and help persons who are difficult time in their lives I. Think we're helping people and we're accomplishing something excel along with making a contribution to the music industry itself and I think we're in the in the country Music Hall of fame in a indicates that we have done that, but I think more than that. We want to be remembered as a night that recorded music. That was meaningful. That helped people, and that's what we want to be all about helping people. Indeed! Indeed now, just one little more question. What what personal data direct personal words of encouragement or advisor inspiration? Would you like to give to people right now like you said that there's so much going on in our. Right now so many people are going through so many different things, trials and tribulations and whatnot What would you personally like to say to people to just give them a word of inspiration and encouragement right now? Well, you know I think you'll think things are very difficult now. There's no question about it. Watch. The knows you see the things that have gone. It's very easy to get discouraged, and and and and I i. Get discouraged myself sometime. You know, but but I think we you know we. We were all caught the right thing. You know people go up and we believe that there is someone in charge of all this that is going to help us get through it, and that's that's the Lord Juice, and if we can put our trust in him and our phasing things are GonNa get better. There's no doubt in my mind, and so I think if we instead established getting. Involved in politics and this you know the the right or the left, or whatever if we set our minds on things above and on on on Jesus what he taught us, I think we will all be better off and I. So so I think you do that You have. Faith and hope things are GonNa get better and I really do believe that. Amen! Amen, thank you for sharing that with us and I just want to let everyone know to tune into tbn's Independence Day weekend special. It will be premiering on Saturday. July third at eight nine ten and eleven pm. Eastern time and July fourth at one PM eastern time. Ten Am Pacific Time and July Fifth at eleven PM. Eastern time in eight PM Pacific Time in addition to the special, it will be available to stream on facebook. Live on Tbn as well as on facebook. Facebook, live on Governor Huckabee. Page. The Oakridge Boys Page Lee. Greenwood's page and the cold seam mullins page, so you have no reason to miss out on it definitely tune in. You will not be disappointed one that thank you so much again for joining me today, MR and again it's been an honor and a pleasure speaking with you I continue their pray for you and your continued health and success, and we will be tuning into the special on the fourth of July weekend. Wolf thank you so much. I enjoyed the conversation. Burn much you've been you've been such a pleasure to talk with. And so thank you for allowing me to talk to your your listeners out there and and hopefully we'll be able to get to see everyone. Roy shown absolutely looking forward to it. Thank you. Thank you, thank you for tuning into the face health in home digital podcast for transcripts of this episode authors. This is our website at fate, health and home dot com. Also, be sure to subscribe to our podcast and connect with us on facebook, instagram, Youtube and twitter. Thank you again for joining us.
7-21-21 The Mike Gallagher Show Hour 2
"Is broadcast is a production of the salem podcast network for more podcast like this from courageous voices of conservative reason visit salem. Podcast network dot com. This is your source for breaking news and what to make of it. All this. he's the mike gallagher. Show damage to dr falaise. Credit is not the result of what rand paul has said. It's a result of dr vouch e not being able to really own up to his own statements. I think the reasoning behind him being so resistant wants the public. Realizes that the nih under the online realizes where the blames going to attach hate the fact that i knew more about science thin vouching move from the relief factor dot com studio. Here's mike gallagher. Remember a while ago. I got so angry at meet the press with chuck todd and the bias and the and the smears on conservatives in the lies. I just said i'm not watching it anymore. I can't do it. i'm supposed to do it. I'm expected to do it. I watch. I try to watch. Chris wallace on fox news sunday. I just cannot do it anymore. I have to maintain my sanity. So i keep dipping my toe into the into the waters of mainstream media to see what they're doing and last night was great example of watching complete and utter lies a lie by omission about a story by a story about the texas democrats f- lean washing fleeing texas and evidently bringing did with them or getting kovin and spreading it. To the speaker's office the white house even do you remember when amy conybeare it was sworn in and the rose garden. Some people got coverted and day after day after day all we heard about was evil trump and evil republicans stupidly spreading kovic. Remember that that was in the mainstream media over and over and over again. I mean i can play all the examples until the cows came home. You remembered if you watched the mainstream media in the last twenty four to forty eight hours and you're hearing the news. Then more and more people are contracting covert after the idiotic stunt the democrats cold getting on a private jet violating federal mask mandate rules about airplanes posing for pictures all crammed together with a case of miller lite going into the the nation's capital evidently a number of these texas democrats have contracted covert and they'd given it to somebody in speaker pelosi's office and somebody from people in the white house it's super spreader event. What else would you call that. I want you to hear the a portion this report. This is a reporter named rachel scott on. Abc world news. Tonight with david muir list into the reporting not only does the reporter avoid mentioning the texas democrats meeting with somebody in comma. harris's office is fairly coppola harris. Got whisked away to walter reed because she was probably exposed not sure if she's got cova. I saw a couple of reports last night that she has not been seen in public the last few days she was at the hospital sunday. I mean this is not an insignificant story but abc nbc cbs. They're not touching it. Because it makes the democrats look like the imbeciles they are so they're saying hey. Abc we can't make democrats what bad you don't believe me i've got. The proof listened to this portion of a report. I'm not we didn't added the report. I just wanna play a segment of the report by rachel. Scott pay very close attention. Not only does. She refused to mention the texas democrats role in the cove infections. She winds up blaming trump. And it's like troy listen to this delta variant on the rise president violent imploring americans not to let their guard down. We have to say business over here. It comes as the white house. Acknowledges that a fully vaccinated staffer has tested positive for kobe. Nineteen and that. There have been other positive test to i asked. Just how many were talking about. We'll giving our provide the number of a number. I said i'd be happy to check on status of that short on capitol hill of fully vaccinated spokesperson for house speaker. Nancy pelosi also tested positive. Republicans have been less likely than democrats to get vaccinated former president. Donald trump quietly got his shot before he left office but rarely urged his supporters to get. There's but the number. Two republican in the house congressman steve scalise finally getting his first spicer dose saying quote especially with the delta variant becoming a lot more aggressive and seeing another spike. It was a good time to do it. Senate minority leader mitch. Mcconnell pleading with americans not to believe all the anti vaccine misinformation the way to defeat getting back into the position. We weren't sure is to get vaccinated. This is not complicated. Then want to encourage everybody to do that. And could noar all of these other voices that are giving demonstrably bad advice. And even on fox news were host have downplayed the threat of kobe sean. Hannity now urging his viewers to get their shots saying i believe in the science vaccination and despite those covert positive cases. The white house is not making any changes to its protocol tonight. We know that some members that are in close contact with president get tested twice a week. The president himself gets tested every two weeks and we have asked the white house. David that same question tonight but still no word on just how many fully vaccinated staffers have now tested positive for the virus. That not one word about how these white house and speaker pelosi. Staffers got covert. Nothing about the texas democrats and they're idiotic stunt my gosh i. It's like they sit around and they say let's let's really give it to them. You want to see how biased we are less. Prove it to to the world he had to go over to fox. News will cain broadcaster on fox news contributor cleaning out the role the texas democrats played that the media. The mainstream media won't tell you about at they brought corona and miller lite. I caught that right there. They're going to stay through august because a few more members of the vita ministries named blow corona breath into before this month is over however many people they exposed to cova tucker. They've let's hope. Expose the american people to the preening peacocking hypocrites that they are because how hypocritical can you be. Let's quickly count the ways. A you know. They flew on a plane. Massless you and i- peons everyone out there watching. We have to wear masks deal when we fly on a plane. That's number one two. They fled their stay. You know they would criticize. They have criticized republicans if they ever employed that same tactic number three they are creeping closer and closer to vaccine passports to show us your papers to prove to me you're vaccinated but they tell us trust us we're all vaccinated and finally as you point out and kevin so reported so well it's a super spreader event well that was a trump rally or athletic event or spring break over the past year everything's a super spreader event except actual super spreader events. He's right but if you're not watching fox news you don't know how these white house speaker pelosi. Staffers got kovin. You think these white these texas democrats are heroes. Jen psaki was asked yesterday. Is that as what do you think about this event. And she said about the texas democrats she said thanks for standing up for voter rights according to the white house to spread coverted. If you're you're protesting voter integrity laws. I guess it's like the black lives matter rallies. It's a right to spread co bid if you're marching around with people shoulder to shoulder in on behalf of racial justice you give people that's okay you just can't do it in the rose garden or a basketball game or football unbelievable. These people are out of their minds. But we're not you in my you and me we're going to fight the good fight together here in the relieffactor dot com studios. Welcome into a wednesday july twenty first episode of the mike gallagher. Show care to comment on what you just heard from. Abc has you noticed. The mainstream media isn't touching the role. These ignorant more. Texas democrats have played in spreading coverted journal white house. Wow let's hope you join me led to get your voice on this one open line. Eight hundred six five five mike. Eight hundred six five five six four five three welcome in. Listen to mike on all your amazon echo devices. Just tell alexa to play them. My gallagher show that you've seen pete and sheth talbot on the t. v. 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Free relieffactor dot com relieffactor dot com or call eight hundred five hundred eighty three eighty four eight hundred five hundred eighty three eighty four for relief. Factor gallagher. I just heard you talk about The super spreader democrat. And i'm also saying that only channel that you can get that information from please please mentioned other news channels conservative news channels because a lot of americans don't know about those channels and we need to support them banks. The biggest live mission is the one point two million super spreader pouring over our southern border and being ferried into every corner of this country. She's absolutely right. Where's the mainstream media on the news. That the number of detainees who tested positive for covert and the rio grande valley alone has increased by nine hundred percent. There were one hundred and thirty five detainees who tested positive in the first two weeks of july alone that marks a nine hundred percent increase in confirmed positive cases compared to the previous fourteen months. The rio grande valley is one of the main destinations for migrants crossing the border. I have friends and loved ones in the rio grande valley and i worry about them constantly constantly there. They have over two thousand apprehensions a day and their accounting for sixty percent of confirmed. Kovin positive detainees in us border patrol custody. It's unbelie mcallen. The rg sector chief. Brian hastings spoke about cova cases among agents and said he's had more than forty of his agents. Come down with cova. Did this fiscal year. It was the local radio interview. He did on k. u. r. v. Seven ten am in mcallen border patrol. And this is what i love. 'cause i've been to the border. I watched how they do. Border patrol does not typically test illegals when they are taken into custody. They're tested when they're transferred. Do you know how many illegals are being sent into the united states into art community with covert and this disaster will not be touched by the media. Won't be touched by the white house. There botching this up so badly listen to the idiocy coming from the white house press secretary this is an actual question and answer about this super spreader event that the texas democrats perpetuated they get on a plane mask lewis and yes. I know that it's a private plane. So technically they don't have a mask mandate as required by the federal government. It's the optics of a bunch of democrats. Who are advocating that. We all got to wear masks and hunker down and be quarantined and be vaccinated. They're all on their drinking. Miller lite without masks on an airplane. What do you think the mash mandate is four on an airplane. Because they don't want people in on a plane to spread covert listened to jen. Psaki would this pitiful answer to peter doocy from fox news more than ten percent of the traveling party with these texas democrats now claim to have a break group case. Is there any concern that this group that was intended to advocate voting rights is now a super spreader in washington. Well i would say that's not a characterization we're making from here we certainly understand. There will be breakthrough cases even vaccines. That are incredibly. Effective are not foolproof. They're not one hundred percent effective. We've seen that. Here's the good news. Though we know that these vaccines that these individuals i think if i'm correct have have been vaccinated It means that protects from death. The protects from serious illness at protects for the most part from hospitalization So that is a good sign. Covert nineteen afrikaans glucose. Democrats reached the white house. What is your message to these system. Our message continues to be a thanks for standing up for voting rights and the rights of americans to have their voices heard at the voting booth and we appreciate their efforts in that regard. What's your message to the super spreaders. Thanks for standing up for voting rights. So i guess was like the black lives matter rallies you can spread covert all you want. If you're a for fostering or furthering an agenda that we approve of my lord holy cow one eight hundred six five five mike. Here's lucy. Hey lucy welcome aboard. How are you. i'm doing good mike I understand that the vaccines has been very positive as far as You know eliminating more spread now. The other illnesses that they're being compared with do not yet have a quite positive You know medicine or research. Whatever talking about heart disease and others. So that's where the misinformation can fall into. I don't know what you're talking about. I've never said anything about a vaccine and heart disease ever narrow one time about a vaccine heart problems and saying is that the comparison is a lot of people. Die apart they save and that's which is true but because they had some successful vaccine oil treatment for it but for the vaccine lucy. I'm still confused. I'm confused if you've gotten the vaccine yes of course. Good good good. Good get the vaccine. Who no problem. Nobody's telling anybody vaccine one. Eight hundred is amazing. How people get distracted and have a peculiar reaction all of this but we don't eight hundred six five five. Mike one open line. Join us mike gallagher. Show what we're alleging is the gain of function research was going on in that lab and nih funded it. That is not away from it. it meets your definition. Your obfuscating the truth. They are gain of function viruses because viruses. That became more transmissible. and human. and you funded it. I totally resent anybody would have lying here. Senator it is you in the relieffactor dot com studios. Here's mike tony found. Chief fired up yesterday calling rand paul. A liar very angry man. Little guy was really revved up. One me calling a us. Senator anybody's lying in his. You hear a li- personally. I like the comedian version of dr found the guy that perfectly encapsulates perfectly perfectly encapsulates and captures the essence of dr fouls. You one of my favorite clips. Listen we got lots of challenging news. We got a smile a little bit. And if this doesn't make you smile. I dare you. You think this is actually out she or not g. i say. Even if you live alone. I would wear a mask in house especially in the shower because frankly droplets can make the ways through the drain and come up through somebody else's toilet infecting them with covert through the anus ballpark in two to five to twenty years. We can start thinking about considering the idea of pondering the thought of conceptualizing the possibility of maybe perhaps reopening but probably not. I would avoid having any fun whatsoever in the near future about sums it other guy. The guy's name is Brian fisher. I believe a comic Who what's his name. Derrick got to put it on the screen for me. I tyler fisher tyler fisher. Very funny guy. On social media remember when fouled she said if you're vaccinated you have one hundred percent prevention of going to the hospital or dying alright so we try to understand that we follow the bouncing ball follow the science right. Why is the uk have forty percent of the people who are fully vaccinated in the hospital. You heard that right. I mean the confusion was that the big health official in the uk. I said sixty percent of people fully vaccinated are in the hospital. They change instead of the people in the hospital for kobe. Forty percent have been fully vaccinated. Sixty percent are unvaccinated. And i'm following this. And i'm wondering why the mainstream media here doesn't wanna talk about that because that's a little complicated really forty percent of people in the hospital in the uk were vaccinated. I thought she didn't wind up in the hospital. You're vaccinated well now. They have the astra zeneca vaccination that only has like a sex sixty two or fifty nine or whatever percent efficacy rate. Well that's about. The johnson and johnson one has which is the shot that i got now waiting for them to tell me i gotta get another shot because the johnson and johnson shot is. This whole thing is a nightmare. Welcome sharon to the to the nightmare. How you doing hanging in are you doing. I'm hanging in to try to make sense of it. all is an easy as a charon. Nah no i think. The latest thing for me is how all these democrats to dc and they're all vaccinated and two of them ended up with kobe and are now quarantined. Two of them. None of them way more than two no way more than two. We know there's at least a dozen or more which six last count yesterday was six texas democrats. Then there's a white house staffer then a comma harris staffer. Then there's a house speaker. Nancy pelosi staffer weren't a double digits. Here sharon of people who are and i'm assuming they were all vaccinated. Well i'm not getting vaccinated. And that was a doctor's order on my part and Dr children to give your doctor told you not to get vaccinated. Doctor told me not to get vaccinated. What your doctor tells you to do that. That's great advice in terms. Of if i may ask and i don't wanna get too personal in your life but why did your doctor. Why does your doctor not. Why have a heart condition. And i have copd and they think it's just too risky. It's not there's not enough evidence on how this works why it works who it's going to work on. Who's not gonna work on. I lost seven friends from kovin My girlfriend's daughter got dacoven. Shot in gutter I think it was like February something like that. She got her second one in april so it was whatever the time distances and then in the second she had four aneurysms and two strokes and she's twenty three years old perfectly healthy girl. You know and i. I had funny you. Can you can kinda connect dodger say. Are we connecting the dodge. Could she have had the aneurysm any way. Is there any evidence that the that the vaccines we don't know but you but but it happened. Listen i i. I let me tell you a weird story. You wanna talk anecdotal now. This will scare people. And i'm sorry but it happened and people can connect the dots. I developed a hernia. Shortly after i got the vaccine my friend. Joey hudson developed a hernia after he after he got his shot. I have a friend in upstate. New york who got a hernia after they got the shot. And so we're all look like. Did we get hernias from the shot now. The chances are it's completely incidental but isn't it. Weird the timing of people having medical conditions after getting vaccinated. Now i could absolutely have nothing to do with the vaccine and this whole debate about vaccine misinformation hesitancy. Mike huckabee had a great great point last night about on fox news about getting the shot. And guess what. It's not the be all end. All listen governor huckabee who's always got pretty homespun way of looking at things that i really enjoy. The fact is i've had new monja in the past. I have compromised longs for me. It was a very calculated decision. That i thought was right for me smart for me but if somebody decides not to take the vaccine. They're no threat to me. Because i've had the vaccine. So my point is i encourage people to take it. If it's something that you feel like would help you protect you for heaven. Sakes do it. But it doesn't make me less conservative nor does it make me more compassionate nor does it make me smarter. Just because i've made a medical decision. Some people get a root canal. Other people just pull their tooth. I don't think it's a matter that one makes another immoral superior in doing something like that. He's right. I mean here's here's mitch mcconnell. The senate minority leader making a point about voices that are giving demonstrably bad advice. But this is something i think. I'm a good example of something. I know the answer to. It is not at all unclear that the way to avoid getting back in the hospital to get vaccinated and want to encourage everybody to do that. And to ignore all of these other voices that are giving demonstrably bad advice. Now listen i think it's very important. I don't think anybody should push back against mitch mcconnell. Who's making the decision to urge people to get back to me all right. We got a lot of that going on. I'm just not gonna flip out or condemn. Somebody like the last caller sharon who said to her because of her health condition her doctor said. Don't get the vaccination. I believe that the the go-to is to pay attention to your doctor. Listen to your doctor. My doctor wanted me to get the shot as soon as i could get. My doctor also has prescribed ivermectin which i take every week. That's my that's between me and my doctor. And that's a decision that i'm making and so far i've avoided covert and i'm a conservative on the radio. Am i guilty of misinformation. Here's kate betting field. Who's the white house communications director on. Msnbc it's also the other thing. The president has pointed out. Spoke to when he was asked about this yesterday is it's is also the responsibility of the people creating the content and again i would go back to you know. There are conservative news outlets. Who are creating irresponsible content that sharing misinformation about the about the virus. It's getting shared on these platforms. What what what. Misinformation i mean if there's demonstrably false vision formation tell me what it is. Tell me what it is. I mean hannity last night or two nights ago. Said he believes the vaccine. The science of vaccines talk to your doctor made a responsible decision and the mainstream media. I saw an abc last. Aren't they made a big deal sean. Hannity like there's a big a big a big about face no about-face that's johnson saying all. Along heck tucker. Carlson has said all along. I'm not against the vaccine but to the left and the mainstream media even asking the question is misinformation even quick asking anything. Anything is mister information. You comply you get the vaccine. You shut up about it. You pawn your mask. You locked down. Do what they tell you to do. They tell you we're not gonna let you know what at this point. It wouldn't surprise me if biden came out and said we're going to shut the whole country down for ten days and i was even thinking about this last night. This is how crazy. I think i'm becoming. If we shut the whole country down for ten days nobody could leave their house for ten days. Would that end this thing once. And for all crazy i'm getting getting lucrative. 'cause you know their way back in the recesses of my brain. I thought maybe that'll work ten ten days because that's supposed to be the incubation period. Or whatever the hell they call it. High ten days your home lockdown. You can't leave you stock up. Get your groceries work from home. Do zoom calls do the best you can. And we let the essential workers out the cops the firefighters but nobody else ten days. We shut down america. I'm telling you. I'm headed for the funny farm. This thing is driving me crazy. Probably got a hernia. Probably give it to myself. Eight hundred six five five mike Be sure to get the mike gallagher. Show podcast at mike online dot kau Gallagher about about trump has been elected twenty sixteen covert and it would have been experience but not that serious trumpeting loss got people to think for themselves take. Kobe is a bandwagon. That everybody's jumping on to reassert government for all democrats establishment republicans to order of government. Should be this. And i think it's a good opinion. I think it's right portions of our show brought to you by fellowship home loans. Call eight hundred five ten mike or go to fellowship on loans dot com welcomehome fellowship home. There's a great piece over at the federalist by kylie exemple democrat the democrats definition of mission. Formation is what hurts them. Politically facebook is killing. People misinformation is rampant and the only people that can save us from ourselves are the all wise executives at sixteen hundred pennsylvania avenue whose judgment is infallible and whose motives are pure. That's the message emanating from the white house and the corporate press g everything is. We're going to post this article. You need to read this. Dirk post this. The democrats definition of mission formation is what hurts them politically. Everything is misinformation until it's not just a great article and you know we're here. I'm here to help. This is what this federalist article says. Today's today's misinformation is tomorrow's undeniable. Fact it happens. All the time and that reality is not lost on the biden administration. What's going on here isn't really an attempt to save americans from disease. It's a desperate attempt by the ruling class to save their own rear ends from information that threatens their ideological goals. Democrats at the helm of the executive and legislative branches are not looking to squash so-called misinformation. Because it's the only way to keep people from dying which still wouldn't justify their authoritarianism by the way biden sake and their friends in congress and silicon valley are working to snuff out their opponents speech because not only do they think it will help them politically as likely did in the two thousand twenty election but because they believe they can get away with it again as they did in the two thousand twenty election president ronald reagan was right when he said the nine most terrifying words in the english language are. I'm from the government. And i'm here to help the biden administration exemple rights at the federalist the biden administration has gotten disturbingly more specific. You know what they say. I'm from the government. And i'm here to help facebook. Silence you powerful. But crew powerful and true. Check it out at mike online dot com we only quoted from a portion of it. But it's from the federalist of very important site. 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Go join j. c. n. dot com now and learn more joint j. c. n. dot com. Jim wants to respond to me being driven crazy enough to think maybe we should shut the whole country down for ten days. Come on jim. Ten days to slow the spread. Hey mike hey jim how are you. This is my great great show. Mike thank you say. I know you're only kidding. But there's so much insanity going on that my my my thing is thank god for people like you but we don't need to hear that even from you and only because someone will pick it up and start running. What the you know what i'm saying. No kidding oh. I know honest-to-goodness if you if you heard that edict tomorrow from the white house you wouldn't be surprised. Would you know not at all to goodness if if if a pig flew out of. Somebody's left ear out on the mall. Tomorrow i wouldn't. I wouldn't wonder. I'd say what's the name of the pig. Jim the world has gone bonkers but bear me. Of course i'm kidding. I don't want the country shut down for ten days We gotta live our lives and fight the good fight couple of people in the hot seat. Jeff bezos and tom brady. Did you hear what tom brady. His joke disney is moving thousands of jobs from california to florida. Wonder why they're doing that. It's all coming up.
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"Support for this. Npr podcast and the following message. Come from betterment. A full service 401k provider help attract and retain talent by helping your employees save for retirement and more. No business is too small to get started learn more at betterment dot com slash 401k. Live from npr news. I'm janine herbst. The supreme court tonight refused to block a lower court ruling ordering the biden administration to reinstate the so called remain in mexico policy instituted by former president. Donald trump it forces people to wait in mexico while seeking asylum in the united states. The court's three liberal justices were into sent a federal judge in texas had previously ordered that the program be reinstated last week house. Lawmakers voted today in support of legislation intended to strengthen the nineteen sixty five voting rights as a national fight continues over access to the ballot. Box as npr's wanna summers reports. The bill is named for the late congressman and civil rights icon. John lewis of georgia democrats view the john lewis voting rights advancement act as a key part of their efforts to protect the right to vote amid a wave of restrictive new election. Laws from republican controlled state legislatures. The bill would strengthen the voting rights act which had been weakened by a pair of supreme court. Rulings it would also make it easier for voters to bring legal challenges against balloting rules. That are already on the books. The bill passed in the house with overwhelming support from democrats but it faces steep republican opposition and the evenly divided senate senate majority leader chuck schumer says the senate will turn to voting rates when lawmakers returned to washington and september. Wanna summers npr news. The rate of vaccinations has been going up nationwide in the past week even before. The fda gave full approval to the pfizer vaccine. Jeff resigns is the white house cove in nineteen coordinator. You've dramatically increased. The number of people getting their first shots each day back in mid july we were averaging two hundred sixty thousand first shots in arms per day. Today we're getting four hundred fifty thousand first shots a day more than seventy percent increase. Meanwhile the number of new cova nineteen cases continues to rise around the country in the south. Some hospitals are full and they're turning new patients away as the delta variant surges in her first statewide address as governor of new york. Kathy hokuto says her top priority is to implement rigorous vaccination and masking programs for schools and. Here's brian man. Reports governor huckabee acknowledged. She's not well known by many new yorkers but said she's ready to lead she then laid out a program for making school safer during the pandemic when kids go back to class in mid-september. We need to require vaccinations for all school personnel. With an option to test out weekly at least for now. I'm also mealy directing the department of health to institute universal masking for anyone entering our schools. Hokkaido also said she plans a new campaign to boost vaccination rates and she promised to help new yorkers hurt by the economic fallout of the pandemic with faster rent. Relief brian man. Npr news and you're listening to npr news. Prime minister justin trudeau from canada. Says he's prepared to keep the canadian military in afghanistan after the august. Thirty first deadline is n carpentry reports. Trudeau made the comment after a virtual summit with g seven leaders over the crisis in afghanistan during the g. Seven meeting trudeau said little about his plans but afterwards he said canada would stay longer in afghanistan. If possible past the end of the august deadline set by president biden trudeau said. His government would work every single day to get as many people out alongside allies. He added that g seven leaders had committed to the same objective. The taliban has hinted there would be consequences of the deadline is not met. Both the british and french leaders are calling for an extension so that more foreign nationals and vulnerable. Afghans could be flown out on monday. A canadian military transport left kabul's airport with more than five hundred evacuees on board for npr news. I'm dan carpenter shot in toronto. No milkshakes for mcdonald's customers. In britain the fast food chains has pulled the item from the menu in all of its one thousand two hundred fifty stores because of supply problems stemming from a shortage of truck drivers. Mcdonald's says it's also experiencing a shortage of bottled drinks. It's the latest. In a series of shortages of parts and products in britain blamed on a combination of brexit and the pandemic he was futures contracts are trading flat at this hour. Asian markets are trading higher. The nikkei the main market in japan up about three tenths of a percent. The asia dow is up nearly a half percent. I'm janine herbst and listening to npr news.
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"This message comes from. Npr sponsor code for america who believes government can and should work well for everyone. Code for america works with governments and communities to build digital tools and services to meet today's challenges and push for a better tomorrow learn more at code for america dot org live from npr news. I'm janine herbst. The taliban say they won't allow afghans to leave the country ordering the crowds gathered at the kabul airport. To go home saying they won't face reprisals. The taliban have been blocking the road to the airport. Making it difficult and dangerous for those who want to flee but the white house says afghan interpreters and others who assisted. Us forces will be able to get to the airport. Press secretary jen psaki. We have been in direct contact. Not just with american citizens but with ssd applicants special immigrant vida visa applicants and afghans who we whose departure we are facilitating about how and when to come to the airport and our expectation which we have also conveyed to. The taliban is that they should be able to get to the airport. This is the white house says. Evacuations will end in troops will be out by august thirty first. That date is something taliban leaders are insisting on the house. Today narrowly passed. The budget resolution. The provides the framework for three and a half trillion dollar spending plan. The party line vote came after divisions between moderate and progressive democrats delayed action and threatened to derail president biden's proposal to expand the federal safety net. Texas governor greg. Abbott has asked the state supreme court to nullify an appeals court ruling protecting san antonio county from penalties for their mask mandates. Texas public. radio's. Paul fluff has more avid barred government mask mandates in a may executive order using the texas disaster act with that he suspended laws and powers held by local governments san antonio city attorney. Andy segovia compares the disaster power battle over masks to that of a hurricane asking what if this were a category five heading towards the texas coast in the texas governor issues an order that simply says local entities cannot issue or evacuation orders. Because it's a personal choice as to whether you stay in your home or define the governor. Dozens of school district's counties and cities have mandated masks in schools. Since early this month. I'm paul flab in san antonio in her first date wide address as governor of new york. Kathy ho cole. Says her first priority is to implement rigorous vaccination and masking programs for schools and pierce brian. Man reports governor huckabee acknowledged. She's not well known by many new yorkers but said she's ready to lead she then laid out a program for making schools safer during the pandemic when kids go back to class in mid-september. We need to require vaccinations for all school personnel. With an option to test out weekly at least for now. I'm also mealy directing the department of health to institute universal masking for anyone entering our schools. Hokkaido also said she plans a new campaign to boost vaccination rates and she promised to help new yorkers hurt by the economic fallout of the pandemic with faster rent. Relief brian man. Npr news this is npr news. Islands between gaza militants and israel has intensified amid unsuccessful attempts to mediate a long term truce. This comes as israel israeli's prime minister heads to washington to meet with president biden. Npr's daniel estrin has more from tel aviv. It's the most intense crossborder violence. Since the two sides fought a deadly conflict in may israel says its warplanes struck hamas militant targets it says hamas militants in gaza floated fiery balloons and fired guns toward israel over the weekend. Palestinians and gaza gathered at the israeli barrier. Violent clashes with israeli troops seriously injured palestinians and an israeli officer. Egypt which is trying to mediate a truce closed. Its border with gaza hamas in gaza. Planning another such demonstration wednesday as israeli prime minister. Enough tally bennett meets top. Us officials in washington. He meets president biden. Thursday daniel estrin. Npr news tel-aviv. The longtime drummer for the rolling stones has died charlie. Watts died in a london hospital. He dropped out of the stones upcoming u. s. tour after undergoing a successful heart procedure earlier. This month the self-effacing and unshakeable drummer helped anchor. One of rock's greatest rhythm sections for more than a half century and it supported his love of jazz. Charlie watts was eighty years old wall street higher by the closing bell with the nasdaq and s&p five hundred hitting records. The dow up thirty points of thirty five thousand three hundred sixty six. The nasdaq up. Seventy seven points the s. and p. Five hundred up six points to end at forty four eighty six. I'm janine herbst npr news.
America First with Sebastian Gorka 7-27-21 Hour 1
"Is podcast is a production of the salem podcast network for more podcast like this from courageous voices of conservative reason visit salem podcast network dot com. If you like america first then check out our separate podcast. The battle for sixteen hundred with my former white house. Colleague boris epstein. Every week we give you the inside. In-depth analysis of what's really going on the battle for sixteen hundred subscribe today. Our fathers brought forth upon this continent a new nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. What caused others bay. Take the world one little note along. Remember what we say here but it had never forget what they did. Hear what your country can do for you. Ask like you. Your mister gorbachev tear down this war here and the fielding staff all of us we will make america great again This is america. First with sebastian. Gorka everyone in kate. Twelve schools where a math indoors including teachers staff students and visitors. Regardless of vaccination status children's should return to full-time in person learning in the fall with proper prevention strategies in place finally cdc recommends community leaders encouraged vaccination and universal masking to prevent further outbreaks in areas of substantial and high transmission with the delta marion vaccinating. More americans now is more urgent than ever. The highest spread of cases and severe outcomes is happening in places with low vaccination rings and among fun vaccinated people this moment and most importantly the associated illness suffering and death could have been avoided with higher vaccination coverage in this country covert nineteen continues to prevent presents many challenges and has exacted a tremendous hole on our nation. We continue to follow the fine closely and update. The guidance should the science shifts again. We must take every step we can to stop the delta barium and and this pandemic that is a live audio briefing straight from the cdc from its director. Doctor rochelle orlinsky. You heard right. Yes the mosques on back but this time for those who are fully vaccinated. You are meant to john. Your mosques again. Despite having had the vaccination administered and to where those mosques indoors including for children in school do not comply with the science denies. This has nothing to do with reality. Look at the facts. We are talking about a disease that killed six hundred thousand people almost all exclusively oven advanced age with existing comb mobility's at the same time. The most egregious part of this decision from the biden administration is to mosque children children. Who if you look. At the actual data for infection and death are almost to all intents and purposes in vulnerable to the corona virus unleashed from china. They have a mortality rate. Chiller have a mortality rate with kobe. Nineteen of zero point zero five percent but they want you to live in fear. They want to deny the efficacy of the vaccine. They want to deny the concept of a vaccine. Never never in human history have multiple vaccines been deployed against the one and the same disease and afterwards the health authority deemed it necessary to physically put a baria on your face after you've been vaccinated it is share oughta insanity you we must not comply if you wanna get vaccinated find do it. You'll body your choice if you don't want to get vaccinated light myself. Don't do it my body my choice. I have caught the corona virus. I am not scared of the delta variant. I have more. Antibodies folk corona virus in my bloodstream. Then any artificially induced vaccine could ever produce. That is science that is no vaccine that provides greater protection than somebody who has already survived infection from the virus. Whichever virus it is. This is the point where we must resist. This is way you understand. The actual science denial is not from conservatives is not from republicans it is from a government out of control a year and a half of lockdowns schools being shot millions. Almost fifty million people losing their income. Thousands of businesses closed trotted forever after years sometimes decades of investment and family commitment to a business that has gone. We didn't resist bank fan. Now is the time to resist. Do not allow people around you to be cow if a relative if a friend who you know has taken the decision to be vaccinated starts putting on a mosque again. Ask them why. Not the c. d. c. and that fame munger that oughta oughta fame monger. The dot director were leninsky. Said so because that's not how it works in a democratic republic. We don't do something simply because they government official tells us to that is in authoritarian regimes. That's in fascist. That's in communist regimes. We do things because it is true because it is sound because his empirically and morally justifiable. None of that applies right now. It is empirically an absurdity to mosk the vaccinated it is morally unjustifiable and reprehensible to again promote fear amongst the most vulnerable after a year and a half of people who were sick with cancer diagnoses who had psychological conditions who are separated from their families. Their loved ones people who couldn't even have visitors as they died in hospital. We must never ever allow that to our fellow man happen again. Not on our watch if they demand note you must close down your business again. Don't close it down if they demand that your child stay at home. Ob moss when they come into school re they don't work for lansky they don't work for fau cheat. They don't work for that senile decrepit hoskins of a machine politician called joe biden. They work for you. How long are you going to take it. How long is america going to give in to an otter atmosphere of fear and intimidation. This nation was founded on the principle of individual liberty of individuals having the right to assume risk in their lives to have the right to make decisions over the future of their lives. It is not founded on taking a knee to government bureaucracy in genuflecting to the diktats of those who know one elected. Because we're leninsky faucher eighty. Nobody elected you. It's a runner. It is the denial of science and it is utterly morally bankrupt. I'm sebastian gorka. This is america first on the salem radio network. That's just the beginning. The opening salvo. We have so much more next governor. Mike huckabee congressman defend newness load conrad black and then very special glimpse into the so if he has one of ladimir putina wherever you are whatever. You're doing jobs touch back. Dial relieffactor pain relief. That works pain relief. That's real pain. 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They have their committee to investigate the quote unquote insurrection of january. The six old ready. The theatrics have begun and the targeting of trump voters just today with one mpg. Office saying yes. Xenophobia that he witnessed redolent of the xenophobia of trump's supporters. is this just an attempt to criminalize all conservatives. Let's ask a man who has been on the front lines of the attempt to bring back the republic as envisaged by our founders. A true feed freedom fighter for the truth. None other than governor. Mike huckabee governor welcome back to american. I well thank you. Dr gorka great. It'd be back with you and you know the events today at the capitol was It was something that already has been determined. What the outcome is going to be. We're going to go through weeks if not months of hearings and all sorts of testimony But they've they come to a conclusion that they they finalized exactly what they want to come from. This and i want to be very clear what happened. That day was just outrageous. Should never have happened. And it was an assault on common sense. It was a complete Fool's errand for people to rush into the capital and think there was somehow going to make any big changes in the outcome of the election. I'll be the first to admit that. I've always said it was a boneheaded effort that set the conservative movement back set it back dramatically but by the same token it was not an insurrection. You can't have an insurrection If you have a group of unarmed people and a lot of folks who have never been told that not one. Firearm was confiscated off one of the rioters. Not one. the only person who was killed that day directly was ashley. Babbitt who was a trump supporter. And we still don't know who shot her so there's a lot of things that i wish they would get to and find out I certainly have never been sympathetic with the people who broke into offices and broke things and smashed windows or who assaulted police officers. They should pay for those crimes. And those are crimes but to say that. The entire thing was an insurrection over throw. The country is absurd on. its face. a- governor. You've been in politics for a long time. You not have your own television. Show the incredibly successful. How could be on tbn but you used to run the state of arkansas. So you've had to deal with liberals with independence with democrats this question. Do you have any sense that in the last six months especially with those dozens of riot is being kept in solitary confinement. Some of them grandmothers. None of them being charged with insurrection. Just trespassing do you think there is possibly. There are people who voted for joe biden. There are people who call themselves democrats who have a buyer's remorse after what they've witnessed in the last six months in a starting to see through and actually understand what the modern democrat party has become governor. Certainly hope so i. I would like to think that people who see those kinds of things would recognize. This is not the way we do justice in america. It's ridiculous to say that the people who even engaged in breaking into the capital and making a mess of things deserve solitary confinement Most of them have no prior criminal history. Many of them who are being held without bail for this entire process weren't even engaged in anything. Violent one of them was a guy who was charged with standing on the grass and getting on a statue because he he just happened to be standing there and he's charged with a felony for that can do fifteen years in prison. He didn't hit anyone who didn't Enter the capitol itself I mean it's those kind of things. Dr gorka makes you scratch your head and say what is the endgame here but i would like to believe that there are some fair-minded constitutionally sensitive democrats. They may not be the far left. Because i don't think that they're capable of common sense but who recognized that. This is a dangerous place for us to go. Brush his start imprisoning people making them basically political prisoners because they happen to have a strong point of view that wasn't acceptable to the left. Is running this country right now. You can follow him at mike. Huckabee dot com his website and on twitter governor. Mike huckabee governor. Let's talk about the the other. The targeting not with regards to january six but given the fact that cdc's announcing today in some kind of weighed denial of science that those who have been fully vaccinated now should also win mosques inside buildings your reaction to the tarring with one broad brush those who are yet unvaccinated and who will not be vaccinated as the stupid trump supporters as. Well the facts just point that that's not the case. The single largest demographic group that is not getting vaccinated are african-americans followed closely by hispanics and the fact is it's not trump's reporters are most resistant. Heck trump himself got the vaccine soda malania. I'm a trump supporter. I got my shot in january Never hesitated i thought it was for me with my medical history having had pneumonia a far less risk to take the vaccine then to get kobe. I've got close friends Who have spent time in icu. I have others who didn't make it. Who actually died from kobe. So i'm very sensitive to the fact that this is a serious disease for for some people others made get mild symptoms. But sometimes you never know who. That's kind of. I don't want it to be made got the serious case. So this idea that trump supporters are the ones who resisting The facts the figures even surveys. That have been taken by people like the kaiser foundation simply don't reflect that and i think it's not only unfair but it's also counterproductive. I'll tell you who ought to own up to some responsibility. joe biden in comal harris. They were the ones who throughout this process. Were adamant in saying that They might never take a vaccine that if it were developed under the trump administration. They didn't trust anything that donald trump had a part in and they would be very hesitant to take vaccine that was put on the market so quickly then when they took office suddenly it was as if everything was their idea they inherited a solution and they never acknowledged that president trump was the one who brought to market years in advance of what anyone thought was possible. Now truly shameful. He is the author of god. Guns grits and gravy in the last sixty seconds we have with you governor huckabee. What is your message to all people. Not just in arkansas. But across the nation who've lost hope is conservatives and say that's it it's over. Communism is here. That's not true i would say lis- remember the words of one. Barack obama who said elections have consequences. And what we're seeing are the consequences of an election where a lot of conservatives just didn't understand how important it is so two things number one. Don't sit the next election out. We saw what happened in georgia when that took place. Right check Let's do what a lot of people are doing in their communities. They're showing up at school board meetings. They're showing up at board meetings of major corporations and a colleges and universities and they're not being silent anymore. They're not being powered over into the corner. Now i think now is not the time to be silent. Catch his show saturday on. Tbn governor huckabee. Thank you this is america. First let me tell you something so everybody on roku compare this to hear fantastic. Thank you absolutely the great one mark levin. That's so kind of you. You're listening to america first on the salem radio network after over a year of lockdowns mosque mandates afresh that have crippled the american economy washington. Dc still hasn't gotten the message. Small business owners are hurting. While they're big global competitors are thriving. Now there's more talk of unprecedented government. Spending and even tax increases in the same misguided policies of president carter that led to soaring gas prices record inflation a massive job losses look to be outstripped by the biden administration. One organization is fighting back the job creators network. If you own a small business join the growing army of j. c. n. members now and learn how to become a small business advocate. The american people love and trust are small business owners. But they need to hear from you. Hear your stories. Hear your struggles. I urge you to join their team today. Go to job. Creators network dot com. Now become a member that's job. Creators network dot com. The fight is hours to win if we decide to fight. It's not just that you're going to have to wear a mosque whether or not you were vaccinated now. We have the democrats demanding mandatory vaccinations. Yes they were called conspiracy theorists those who said it is going to come. they will force you. They will put a needle into your body. Even if you don't want it here we have the man of new york saying it's time cut one. If my kids were going to school in september i would be running to get them vaccinated right now and like what santa moment ago. We used to do this as parents. All the time for a variety of vaccinations. We've got to shake people at this point and say come on now. We try voluntary. We could not have been more kind and compassionate as a country free testing everywhere you turn. Incentives friendly warm embrace. The voluntary phase is over. We can keep doing those things. I'm not saying shut it down. I'm saying voluntary alone doesn't work. It's time for mandates because that's the only way to protect our people voluntary's over you heard him. Voluntary has ended mandatory mandatory vaccinations. What's your response. Eight three three three three golkar. That's eight three three three three four six seven five to st from sacramento line. One first goal of the day. Thank you sebastian. Gorka heard your opening remarks about getting the natural immunization from the antibodies can catching it. That would be a terrific argument against bad news. Newsom when he comes and tells us to bend over and take a needle. I want the best antibody. I don't want second-best 'cause then. I'll never be able to get. I festival i get the vaccine. I i'll never catch the right. Dose of the natural backs are immunization. No governor. We're not gonna take second best. I i'm healthy enough to get it and get over it. And then be spared a second rate solution down the road if it gets worse for everybody. Yeah not not not only vance. The if. it's not just that. I have more defense from the corona virus than anybody who's been vaccinated with any of the existing vaccines also. There's a reason that people who've caught covet and recovered being asked urge pleaded with to provide their blood. Why because the therapeutic capacity the curative capacity of the antibodies in human plasma from those who court the corona virus is in fact undeniably read the medical studies the most powerful weapon we have outside of herd immunity which leads when you have enough of a population who've caught the virus being vaccinated that it cannot spread to new people that it dies out. There is a natural cycle of all viruses where they reached a peak they cannot infect enough people anymore and so they peter out outside of herd immunity the therapeutic and curative power of the t. cells from those who've recovered is the most powerful weapon we have that's science but the democrats and the bein. White house deny it and now wants a mosque. You up even if you've been vaccinated. That is the depth of their depravity and that desire for power. I'm sebastian goal connects devin. Nunes here in america. I and your calls eight three three gorka. That's eight three three three three four six seven five two coming to you. Live from the relieffactor dot com studios. Hi this is president. Trump and sebastian is really a friend of mine. He's a great guy. He's been with me from the beginning. Listen to them. We all learn. Thank you mr president and now the president of dj tea is of course mike lindell who makes shows like this one possible. If you enjoy america i if you enjoy. A good night's sleep border one of his pillows the pillow that navigates hot never lose his shape. Get up to sixty six percent of his line of america. Amazing products at mypillow dot com. Just use my name call. Eight hundred eight nine eight four six eight. That's eight hundred eight to nine eight four six eight. My pillow dot com promo code g. a. k. a. after governor how come in huckabee and before lord conrad black. Let's go to one of the greatest swamp fight as we have fighting for the truth. He is of course from california. Congressman devin nunes. Welcome back to america i. It's good to be with you. So i know i'm just a humble radio host and you're just a humble farmer but isn't there. Some scientific problem with the announcement made forty five minutes ago that if you'll vaccinated you can put on one of these little thin tissue mosques and you must do so in signed buildings. I'd love your reaction to this latest announcement for them. Cdc first of all looked extremely political. Because you had a couple of days ago they said well we're going to look at it. We might have to do it. It just doesn't seem like we're following the science and if you go back to before. This outbreak began. It was always you had to wear an in ninety five mask or better radical right. Yeah if you were if you had any if you were worried if you if you had underlying conditions and and you were concerned about getting sick that was the that was the major mass that you aware. Also you mentioned farming. the also would have to wear it in ninety five mask and agricultural time. It's out in the dust. And then you have allergies things of that nature so this is it just smells political There's no evidence that these masks have worked. You have states. That never had a mask mandate states that that did you. We know that this really attacked the the senior population especially in nursing homes. Where when we're went Where just went viral and and and really killed a lot of people earlier and and look i. This is the thing that bothers me. The one thing that nobody's talking about that. I try to tell everybody that that i talked to and they asked me about covert are be ready in case you get it because the therapeutics can work and you really need to get treated immediately just like you would get treated immediately if you've got strep throat so there's a flu. This is so. I am not the only one who live this experience. I tested positive for corona virus. Before christmas and the doctor who gave me the positive results said jousting go home now. Excuse me thank the lord. I had a physician. Who said okay. You're taking hydroxy right. Now i had sniffles congressman for three days and i was back in action. We have ways to beat this. Don't we there's a lot of therapeutics that have been around for a long time. So i also had symptoms of cova later found out that i actually did have it and the doctor that i worked with Immediately told me to go home and have your wife go get the steroids breathing treatment as e. Pack up and told me that if it gets any worse then will come and take a test but right now the main thing for you to do is get on these therapeutics immediately. Those are the things that have been around for a long time They're safe and they and they work and we know they work. The problem has been just like what you said if you just send people home and they're panicking it's it's absolutely nuts to not use these proven therapeutics. And of course we all know the whole issue about hydroxy clerk lyn which now we find out that it works. There's ivermectin and that's usually recommended from what the doctors tell me If you as long as you get on it early in the not getting better after twenty four to forty hours. That's when you wanna take these antivirals and for the love of god. Why would the cdc not be out talking about therapeutics. Why would the white house not be talking about therapeutics. We know this delta variant is extremely extremely contagious more contagious than the earlier variants We also know that if you treat it early it doesn't appear like This is having the impact that it had early on where it was where there was a lotta hospitalizations. And that's that's the same. Evidence is coming around the globe from people who have been hit by this delta there. It's a it's a denial of science. And it's also topic. They don't wish to talk about the some reason it's therapeutics and not a topic. They don't wanna talk about congressman nunez. Please follow him devon newness on a nunez dot house dot gov california's twenty second district is cuba. How how is this story being memory. Hold already well. The the the fake news media is just not covering it this is. This is probably the closest that cuba has been to actually fighting for freedom. And you have the leader of the free world. The the united states. Who's not doing a damn thing about it and it's in the media's ignoring it. It's very very troubling. Because as you know the media has been on the side of the castro regime for a long time it was obama. Who was over there having hotdogs with the castro watching watching baseball games. It's just completely wrong. This is why does this matter to us. it matters to us because cuba's right off our shoreline. There's there's history here that you know better than than most we had the russians back in the day trying to put nuclear weapons in cuba. A communist dictatorship. It's still there always threatening. America always on the wrong side of america and why you would not take this opportunity to try to gain freedom. For these people who've been lived under oppression now for gosh seventy years now two years two years. Yep yeah we've got literally sixty seconds left. I have to ask you. The first hearing started day the select committee on the six. How dangerous is nancy's new. Weapon against conservatives congressman. Well look this is not designed to get to the truth. This is designed to cover pelosi. She was the mayor of the capital. She's the one who won't explain. Why the national guard was there. She's the one that can explain why the fences weren't put up Having having protests in washington. Dc around the capital is a norm. They knew that tens of thousands of people were coming and they weren't prepared. She's going around. So yeah it's a terrible thing The police officers testified but republicans are not participating in this because it's a sham. The these reports have already been done. Just like the senate did. They've already completed two reports and they're done it not much needs to be figured out if there's gonna be a protest you probably need to fencing up and if it's going to be a big protest you probably need to have national guard and reserve of never heard it put like that. But it's perfect. That's why he's devon. Noon is known for his clarity. She's the mayor of the capital. It's her responsibility. She should be investigating herself. Thank you congressman. Keep doing what you do. God bless follow him at devon nunez nunez dot house dot gov. 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I just kind of got a little into it but if you heard a strange noise in the background aw when i was interviewed interviewing governor huckabee. It's okay do not adjust your set. I have some guests in studio and they love noreen on a big old bone. Yes my dog's studio my wife had to drive to chicago so i'm mug muggings. Me is alone with the dog. So i thought bring him in studio so k. Does the killian is with me. And his junior partner. His crimefighting buddy lazier is with us. I might hold them up for the camera later. We'll see what the having a nice little nap right now. Let's go to your calls. Kenny san antonio line full welcome. Yes sir hello. I love your show and just want to say your genius with a sexy voice. Now want to save that one genius with a sexy voice. I want to talk about the january six event. You know all the talk shows is brilliant as you guys are some of your guests come on and even sometimes talk show host talk about how. What a horrible thing it was. Don't get me wrong. It was but it wasn't the conservative group that was there that massive amount of people. We've been so many of those rallies and they're good kind Law abiding citizens that we'd never do what happened. That day we literally saw police officers holing fencing aside dancing in place taking selfies and opening the door to the capitol and letting people in now people were dumb enough to walk in not realizing. Oh i could get in trouble for this They were moving on walking. I saw videos of them walking through the velvet ropes. And they're just kind of looking up at the ceiling in the walls. And it was more of an awestruck moments than a. Let's destroy the place moment. Look how can i can. I react kenny. Yes sir so he has might take. This is just from what i have seen with my own eyes. I'm not an investigator not on this witch hunt committee everything everything must be included. The vast majority ninety plus percent where peaceful individuals who upset some of them were as you say stupid. The police opened gates open doors and offshoot demane and at that point onwards they did things in some cases they should have done. Others were Riotous that there are some disturbing footage of people who i don't think opera vodka to really were angry at the results of the election and did things that they shouldn't have done including hunting. Police officers the last thing. That is also clear. Kenny is there. Were democrats disguised as mega in there to foment violence. All of those things happen at the same time. The bottom line is the following. We are not going to get one. I- ota of truth from nancy's which find a general commissioned it's going to be a weapon used against trump voters. Stay on the line kenny. For those lovely words get her. Signed copy of the war for america. So this is america first lord black next.
Episode 153: Trump Presents, Noah's Arkansas
"That's what's going on. Every woman. Welcome back to another episode of making podcast. Great again. I am your Tech stuff guy Jana and we are here with the former president of the United States of America Mister Donald J Trump. That is the first time introducing you like that. Mr. President former president, sir. The doctor Esquire. How did you get did you just introduced me former president know the guy we had to go. I know you're a bill clay, but the guy we had last week tried to pull this crap and I am not on my podcast right here from me Florida White House of Mar-A-Lago. I am the President. Okay, not the former. Not that if you want to call me the goat. It can do that. But other than that, it's President Trump. Do you play you have the same name by the way as remember remember Jack Jack? Excuse me, Bill. Did you see I heard remember this movie Die Hard I do. Yes, that's the name that the Euro terrorist kind of a class classy guy. That's the name. He gives to Bruce Willis age. He's lying to him. He says Bill clay and that's funny that that's your name. You just compared yourself to to Tom Brady. Are you comparing yourself to Tom Brady before when you said the weather may have as you know on different Farms, there's different goats. You don't have to be on the same Farm as a goat and they have other animals still by the way up in farms. Not a lot of people know that but their scares and things and Ed shape. Okay, you probably know a lot about sheep being a I don't know you give off a little bit of a lib sort of vibe. But no I'm saying Tom Brady is obviously, you know, what is Bill Belichick? You see this, you're still have Bill Belichick turn down my grade award. It did see that and now let's say you know who didn't turn down anything for me Tom Brady and look what happened Bill Belichick is home looking at Cam Newton's weird hats and Tom Brady is in another Super Bowl another strong Super Bowl. And by the way, the Buffalo Bills another bout a Super Bowl which is called the curse of the Trump because they refused to sell the Buffalo Bills to me and looks like they keep losing. I mean, I don't think that's the reason why but if you well, you don't have to excuse me. You don't have facts that it's not I don't I'm ask you a question. They went to four straight Super Bowls and lost all of them. That doesn't sound like a little bit of a curse. It just sounds like bad luck and well some people call it a curse. Some people call curses bad luck and I called purses fuck I play. Well, I you know, it's a curse. Yes. I think I understood that before we bring on our I have a special guest for you, I know you weren't happy with the last guests. I brought you had foreign President Obama and you guys bicker and argue black Obama not a fan. I have a great guy. Just want to ask you one question who was a recent article that came out with your doctor former doctor fauchier former doctor falchi, and he talked about dealing with you and and every day and he said that you would have friends call up dead. And it tell you things that you've heard through the grapevine that might help with covid-19. We did a tremendous job with covideo k a very strong job. Everybody knows it. Even if you won't say okay, even if you want to say it, we know we did a very strong job and look at what we have under sleepy Jose fake presidency. We just did four hundred thousand dead under sleepy Joe four hundred thousand jobs and people want to ask I was doing everything we could it was an emergency. So if somebody has an idea I'm going to say Allison you have an idea. That's here it okay, very strong. We'll talk to somebody about it. It's called all hands on deck. That's what my parents used to say. He would say we gotta get all hands on deck and you know some people in the deck and Mike Pence should say whatever show and so you take any idea that you can get. Okay, some may not work. Excuse me some May not work. We're okay with that you try it's called trial and error. Okay, but what's going on now with four hundred thousand dead under sleepy Joe Biden. Why would you talk about hearing different ideas? I think that's that's a nasty Bill clay. I've never heard of all all hands on Dick. It sounds like a down pour no name. I did not know that that former president vice president. Mike Pence would that was his go to to get all the troops together. It would say all hands on deck and everybody to go. You know, I was that's when you know, Mike was really in charge and add a sense of urgency. It's called a sense, you know, it was he was eventually took a total big a Mike Pence ended up being an extremely strong Trader who should be hanged outside the capital. But until then he was you know, he worked pretty hard well, Mister president, I want to tell you someone I brought someone here who is always a a loyal person to you. You guys have done duets together and she said I know who it is congrats know it is announced that she is running for governor of Arkansas. Welcome Sarah Huckabee Sanders to the shop today, Mr. President. So good to see is so good to see. Oh, oh man, you know, that's Tech's stuff flows there. I don't know if he's the one who's been here, but they have sent so many of those has and they always have these guests that are nasty and confrontational and have you here? It's like a it's like like a Summer's Eve like a like a birthday Summer's Eve like a right in your face just a gust a good exactly like that it is that is so beautiful the way the way you put it. Okay, you got that sort of Southern poet Vibe dead. And that sort of out of that you wish I show a way with words such down. I love you to excuse me text stuff. Nobody's talking to you right now. No, excuse me, excuse me, that Tech will not even not even worthy of stuff right now. You're not even worthy of stuff. Sometimes a southern or Midwestern accent exchanges that he or I will sound so young. You could say I'm going out the back door to sit on the deck and people know exactly what you mean, you know exactly what you mean. I just think it's you Summer's Eve out of every word that you can describe, you know, you coming onto the show isn't summer a douche product. I beg your pardon I beg no, no, excuse me. Five Hour Energy is a douche product. Axe Body Spray is a douche product. Exactly unbelievable. But you're making you're making the great Christian Huckabee say words. She is not comfortable with. Okay. She is a Christian leader and a political force and the fact that you're making you're putting in this position is a disgrace my apologies. You take it by the way, you're taking away from her. She is a guess. She's not just a guest. Okay Tech. She's a guest of honor because she is going to be the next great Governor from the state of Arkansas and she's going to divorced wrong things and I could see a political and money Arkansas in Arkansas Arkansas. I don't care where you're shot, you know, the state is our consists and it's the whole point is Arkham Asylum not going to be running Arkham Asylum, which if you've played The Batman video games, you know as a very strong place you cannot only the tough one skin deal with that place. So what I'm telling you is, excuse me. What I'm telling is the people of Arkansas are so they are so excited because they are going to be getting Huckabee Trump events leading up to her and we know we know she's going to get elected. I don't even know I'm having an election officer president before we get into a young young Talent a young Talent with a great future and juice and I'll show loyal so strong you I can say this now I can say this now with full honesty. I had many press people. Okay. Sean Spicer who you know looked like he was wearing his dad suits and then we had, you know, Kelly McIntyre it was cute and you know our loyal not astounded but loyal so we respect that but when you put it all together, you get the toughness you get the pavement and you get the Loyalty. There's only one song. Huckabee Sanders and she is going to be a great governor. And I think potentially a presidential candidate. What do you guys think about Biden's press secretary Jen sake, what do you guys think about her? She's going to she's too nice. She is too nice with those reporters those liberal snowflake reporters are going to just eat her alive or like I don't know what her in game is crushed Netflix. That's what we call the Mane of the Sprouts conferences that Frosted Flakes, but they are not great song. Expecting that but Mister president, how do you think well no, you know what Mike Mike Pence Mike Pence when he when he when he's only goes there game. What are you talking about? B g m p get the hell out of here all hands on deck. I knew exactly what you meant there, sir. I know exactly what you what would you give President Biden his first week. If you could even report card Mister president, like, you know, an A B C D or an Africa B minuses and pluses. What would you give him for his first we took her stuff Jen psaki the redhead? Okay, not even close to Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Okay. I just wanted to say that very strongly because when you say you are out there, she's trying to answer questions. It's called press combat not press conference and nobody went stronger than acha be Sanders and then stock is their cooperation. Answering questions thinking it's a total disgrace and I believe our country is for on this way as for sleepy Joe as personally bijo. Is there a beauty isn't he is a real one of a kind he's you know, I don't even think he's awake after day. They roll them out there for a for a for a meeting with like Hannibal Lecter but the guys are disgrace. I think we've got four hundred thousand dead Americans on sleepy Jazz watch and they're saying it might get to five hundred thousand by March. That's what they're saying. 500,000 sleepy Jose. That's not sleepy Joe. That's that's dead Joe. Okay, and you know sleepy if they were sleepy at least that'd be an improvement. But he's putting them to sleep permanently. That's why we call them sleepy Joe cuz he's the same man. He's killing Americans. Well, he is already overturning some things that you have done. Like he did did drop the the ban on transgender troops that you write, you know, if you've seen the movies when you let Transformers into our military and they will wage. Trulia tables zap everybody with lasers and they will they will turn on us they will turn on us so quickly. It's not Bombay pre pre pre pre pre pre no it's not it's you know what I'm talking about and suggested repair. Yeah. I know what you I know the that that six years maybe if I've never seen anything like it. I've already I already did it twice it was it was a frog you sound like a frog Bill Clayton. I don't mean a French frog I mean, you're just a Ribbit frog or no Pepe. I know. And you are you're no Pepe. Okay, Frank good guy. Very good guy. I want to ask you about you didn't even ask them to give a grade too. Sleepy job. Yeah. I'm going to ask you what grade would you give him and whatever his highlights lowlights from the week week? I give him a day for all hands on deck because wage So I would say a day because I think his wife Jill Biden. Is able to stop him from being a failure. He would be at Mass. He would be an F minus without Joe Biden. What do you think that she's still going to be a teacher? As she teaches. Yeah, she's I think that she was I think it was all a joke. I thought the doctor was a joke, and I thought she was like a teacher and soft core porn. Like I didn't think she was a real life with like books and things I thought that was all sort of an act Sanders. What grade would you give him? I think Mister president being a little harsh on a day. I think a day is a totally appropriate grade. You probably thought I was going to give him an F. I was no I was thinking maybe a D minus you were going to give him so so I shot by giving him a day that's better than a D minus and is I don't know if it's my place to judge other people grades. I would give his wife Doubleday's and then we'd be talking. Nobody gives big hook a deep. Nobody. Nobody gives a deed to big hug. I gotta tell you that. I never never getting a d never will ever. It's only like h e double hockey sticks. I'll tell you that. Estrellas didn't OD from misanthropy. She you know, they say in the South. It's straight A's and then it doesn't count as losing your V berth. They didn't have that green system at Pine Bluff but dead. Sylvia Mister president you're never wrong. You're never wrong. Oh, wow. So no no deals for Miss Sanders here. That's good. Straight A student wage know I love whipping out in a I love it like sometimes I just get up in the morning. Whip it out a flip it out a left and right a student Alpha lips powerful, whips Bob with these ways Okay now mister president before we get into our our next piece of news here and Miss Sanders as well. I just want to introduce my sanders to our power off sponsor this week and that is bed online. Super Bowl week Mister president Super Bowl week. Your boy Tom Brady is the Super Bowl this week. Are they doing the two-week break off? No, not this year. It's it's next week the Superbowl. Look at that. Okay. I want to talk to our great sponsors and our people use the great betonline.ag under the Trump Administration is a great football players had two weeks of now under sleepy Joe. 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EG if you listen to your president's podcast and you do powerful Sports gambling and you don't use betonline.ag you're dead to me you her down here Mister president. I wanted to get into your former lawyer Miss Sanders. I want to know you're a former employee of his has has the president ever stiffed you on a bill and not paid off for your services. I don't have a comment at this time. Cuz we I think the answer is no you you would agree. It's no I'm Brian With the Wind makes a good income. So our three kids are are fine there looked out for but the experience of working with the president. You can't put a price on that page and we won't try either. We definitely want to try. Well, it's called being Governor. I hear that makes a nice salary looking forward to that dead. Well read Giuliani your former lawyer with says that you didn't pay him for any of the services. You told him that since he didn't win. He doesn't get any money and right. Well who's rude Rudy Giuliani. He he was mayor of New York City during an opportunity. I don't know any Judy really Ani. I don't know just as often want to know me, but I don't know Judy. It's a man Rudy Giuliani. He was mayor of New York City. He was your lawyer ever heard of it. I don't even know that City. He's also being suggested by Dominion voting machines for I think a billion dollars because of how good luck to good luck to reverently Jeffrey on E. And I you know, I wish you luck cuz I wouldn't want to be sued for a billion dollars. It's it's Rudy Giuliani and he was your lawyer. He did all this for you. Mr. Present. You're not going to let me tell you something. I had a lawyer named Trudy, although I once that's a cute name. It's a you know, she's probably cute but no, excuse me. I don't know these everybody ways to say, I don't know who you're talking about. I don't know this individual, you know, I wish them luck because I wouldn't want to be sued for a billion dollars by the Branch Davidian voting machines. It's it's dominion and it's Rudy Giuliani. I think you're Rudy Giuliani. I'm a Christian. So right now you're being very rude. You're talking back to the president like that. Thank you. You know what I'm saying? I don't care. What religion Judy is Giuliani should be Catholic Gianni. She could be Christianity. She could be Buddhist Ani. I don't mind what the life is. It just has nothing to do with me. So now we we did very strongly with our cases didn't go so well right now Sidney Powell is Cindy on right now. She is currently at a you know, she likes the food court. So she's currently at she was at Auntie Anne's last time and I think she's at a sparrow. No way. You're not giving I like Panda Express myself. Well, you know a little concerned about China. So I told her to steer clear of Panda Express. I think know she's she's negotiating a treaty with the Burger King and we'll see how that goes. Good luck to her some other news Mister president. This is good news for you. The Supreme Court has dismissed challenges to any of your business profits such a beautiful thing because they wanted to say I'm not allowed to you could profit as president sir. And I profited dramatically I used I used the White House as my own piggy bank. I I basically told world leaders if you want a meeting with the president you're going to need a suite at the president's hotel and they've Do it and they would rent rooms at my properties and I would give them favors and then I said okay we're done and now that I'm out of office even though it's my fraud they have no case off because I'm not president anymore. So it's it's very strong and settled in presidential you can steal you can hit on your own daughter and you can start a coup. But if you leave office and no crime was committed. So Joe Biden can profit off absolutely not absolutely not his the president right now and that would be a crime we didn't page him. But you did that. Why why is it anymore? You being very rude very very Rudy. I'm being Rudy Giuliani right now credibly Rudy off the president Mister president who will always be my president. I'm just you're confusing me today. You just said that you could do that as president, but I did it off. I did it. It's got past tense. I did it. So why can't he do it? If you did it if we catch him while he's in office, then we catch him in the act and then it's bye-bye sleepy Joe but you woke court and people just no other court system took a long time and then I was out of office and now by Presidential I get away with it. On your your happy about you know, you ever watch Boxing. Yeah, of course you have and they used a 7 times as you can be Saved by the Bell. Yeah. Sometimes you can't be Saved by the Bell and sometimes years is Zack Morris with his Latino friend and you Saved by the Bell that way AC Slater. Oh, it's Latino friend is AC Slater? Well, we're going to look into this immigration. But the now my point is this is like a Saved by the Bell thing. They thought they had me down. But then the bell rang on my president's birthdays. And for the purposes of this we respect the fact that I'm not an office any time. Somebody asked me other than this I will tell them I'm still the president but on this issue, I'm an ex-president. Which means you can't get me I'm saved by the presidential bill. Was it the first time used the melding you ever notice his name has Bell in it. I have so this the first time you are recognizing that you are the former president because it has to do with it's it's a legal argument. It's not true, but it's a legal argument. So incredibly rude unbelievable. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I'm so scared. Edit that out. Remember when Jesse was in Showgirls wage? Yeah, it was a good movie and my church. Let me tell you a big hug. It's I think it's maybe the greatest film ever made ever. It's up there off along with Kirk Cameron's last Christian film. Of course, of course, very good. Well the Oscars look at it and no of course not now cut government wants to save Christmas and have Christian firefighters in Hollywood says, no we need more black Trans Hip Hop Things well, put Mister president not agree more. I just wanted to thank you again for joining us a long week on Joe Biden and word day for that extra long episode. We appreciate that and all the patreon Patriots were very happy that night and if you would like to do you like to join us next month or you like the bonus episodes. We have special guests like Sarah Huckabee Sanders on a lot of bonus episodes at all the real episodes also as well. 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It recently and and Nancy Pelosi with a big rack brought it over to the Senate to show off like look at me. I'm a t but I got these huge cans. We don't get a Nancy. We're not impressed you already watch General. Would you won your mpga award last year for great sexual compliments from the president? You're not getting another one. Well mister president. What are your thoughts on this second impeachment. Do you think it's going to happen? I know the first one people are saying you got lucky but the second one people really don't want you to have the presidential Privileges and if you discontentment does go through you will lose all your privileges you'll lose running for president 2020 for you will lose your secret service. You'll lose your pension. You lose a bunch of stuff off where you can't take away. My McDonald's all-you-can-eat platinum card. They cannot take that away from okay, then I think I'm good either way. Really? So if you impeach went through it wouldn't bother you at all. No, it's it's not going to get they need to get Seventeen Republicans. I don't think they're going to get seven. Well, we will see who really loves you when you're not in office anymore. Yeah, we'll see we'll see you loves me. But you know, I've got I've got people like coming up the pipeline. I've got some strong pipeline. I love it. It's my favorite thing to look out. It's big hook in the pipeline Lookout. You better look up. You just came out of the pipeline. Is that what's the pipeline? Up and out we go. I had I had some questions now mister president you have served as president for our country and future the governor Sanders over here and I have I wanted to see you know, what, you know, yes, obviously knighted Jeffrey Epstein he's now starting wage Epstein and I'm obviously Mister president certain doctor doctor doctor doctor doctor said mister president, sir. Yes, the fact that used to roam it is future man lady governor Huckabee Sanders like that that has a good ring to it. Okay. It was really long. Can you do that one again for me it is. You should Governor ma'am lady Huckabee Sanders. Test right there that right there. Yeah that very strong it did. So I wanted to know future Governor ma'am lady Huckabee Sanders Esquire a question for you. I wanted to give some situations out for both of you and how is to prison how you would help out a future Governor ma'am lady Huckabee Sanders Esquire wage and how you may have just saved yourself an opportunity to come back next week. Okay, cuz I'm very I don't say this often. I'm impressed with the respect you're showing off the lease Rudy thing. He said so far. So I have a couple things that you might run into when you're running for governor. And how would you guys deal with the situations? So the same thing give them the death penalty the death penalty. My first question is have you thought about if you become governor future Governor man lady Huckabee Sanders Esquire A trump day in Arkansas. We're not going to stop at a trump day. We're going to have Trump month a trump. Maybe maybe even a truck quarter. We're going to see how how how great it is because wage this is the season of trump the season of trump. Wow, you get a new coat for Trump. Are you going to be why your special? Okay. Wow, I didn't let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. What what the great I don't have to call others names, but what the great future Governor man lady Huckabee Sanders Esquire just said Thursday is the feeling I'm getting in my body is like the emotional equivalent of what happened. The first time I saw my wife Mesopotamia do a girl on girl when I was deciding whether I was going to buy her the feeling I got from that show is the feeling I'm having emotionally for a Kabhi Sanders right now. It's like my heart. it's like my heart just you know had a little bit of a trickle come out. Oh, wow you mr. President. It's called and it's got some people have heart burn off right now. I'm having heart, And I say that with great Christian respect for a great back here for a great future governor. lady-man Huckabee Sanders Thank you, sir. Thank you. This is just touching moment. I follow up question. What if it was a trump season or Trump day or a trump month? Can you maybe give me a little sneak preview to what the festivities will be like, oh, I feel like we can get it under it and by Walmart because as the number one employer in the state wage, and they rival of Jeff Bezos Amazon. We want us to put what I love about you being in Arkansas's is also the fact that you'll be able to help warm perfect, which will hurt Amazon Jeff Bezos. I mean, it's win-win and I still haven't gotten tired of all the winning, sir. To be honest. I haven't haven't gotten to thank you. Thank you. So so you'd have Walmart where there be any possible giveaways or possible maybe statues unveiled or buildings dedicated. I'm I don't know what kind of socialism you're talking about with giveaways but statues. Yeah, that is up. My pipeline that is right in the middle of my pipeline a very tasteful sort of a tasteful 30 foot marble statue. I think would be pretty appropriate maybe with some gold Chef brass. Hopefully a lot of gold. I mean it's going to having the great Huckabee Sanders as governor of Arkansas is going to be It is it is making me. You know, it's just normally in my heart can't you know do this twice in such a quick amount of time but you know, you know, it's it's a powerful emotion it to see that the only person probably happier than than Huck will be a father. You know, the former Governor. I think he'll be I think he's going to be crying, you know, like a not so strong person, but it's okay. It's his daughter, but I think he's going to be Dyrdek tearing up during this but other than him, I think other than you know, the great Mike Huckabee Huckabee. I I almost want to call him sandwich cuz I have so much respect for you. He should take your name. He's he sometimes calls himself that at home. He's lived up on his own name. Well, there you go. That's because you we have you've made the Huckabee name even more faith the needed and he did a very strong job. He's had a great career, but you've done it. I think you've surpassed you've surpassed the father and I think other than than Mike. I think I will be the most proud that day when you take that oath of office. So Mister president, you think the either Trump day week or season plus with the Statue is a good enough celebration of you. I mean for one, you know for one state, I think so, I you know one season the season of trump. Okay, and another question and it's going to be by the way we're not going to do the traditional season. It's going to be mid-april the late June. Okay, should it before it gets too hot and we're all that kind of Southern college girls are dressed very skimpy and you know you first birth of like spring when everybody starts dressing, you know, like they want to meet their husband and you know, so Trump season is spring break basically wage. It's basically an extended spring break. Perfect. What I met Brian was wild tell you that it's perfect. I have two more questions for advice. And then I think we can revisit the advice as a different issues come up as as future Governor man lady Huckabee Sanders Esquire runs and and getting whenever you find out when the election is are we talking to she announced is this for 2021 that I can find out for you right now? It's weird that you didn't have this prepared. I mean, of course, I'm prepared. I mean, it's it's it's it's classic. It's classic deck. I'm now in a service trying to get the information. What's his name Joe Dirt. Bill clay very good bill clay, I like that name is Matt mud for a campaign 2082. Okay, so we're getting us okay. This is going to be quite the long run. I didn't realize your time. Oh, why was everybody worried and plenty of time twenty three short months should be a it's quite A build-up. Oh, I got so much time. Well, you know what advice will last forever especially former president and we have two more questions left. And the first one I know the Republican party is not a huge fan of medical marijuana or the legalization of marijuana for recreation. But if you do become governor of Arkansas since covid-19 Canal a real hit on our economy future Governor, ma'am lady Huckabee Sanders Esquire, would you think about possibly legalized wage? marijuana in Arkansas what you'll be a real Rudy again. I mean, I I don't see how I can I don't see I don't see hippies running around in Arkansas taking up taking over but do you ever see a successful pothead? Yeah, you did you had to think know you had to think you had the same one River Seth Rogen very very very successful. I know there you go. I think does that sound like success. Do you does that looks like success? Okay fine. All right, I got arguing with Ted Cruz on Twitter doesn't sound successful to me. I think as a head if I may ask instead of getting a rude question from Bill clay if you off because I'm such a strong Christian. Would you rename the state Noah's, Arkansas? Or we could go one better and have it trumps Noah's Arkansas like Noah's Ark sponsored by the Trump organization. Okay. I like that like presents wage course, of course Trump presents Noah's Arkansas. Be like Todd billion hundred hundred hundred twenty percent. Okay be like that. Very good know. I don't think we should legalize marijuana and it's a great state and I don't think they need it legalized are going to have what what what Bill clay doesn't realize is that under the great leadership of Governor Huckabee Sanders? You're not going to need all these sort of radical left ideas to raise money. You know, this is marijuana is what failed leftist States like California after they've I can says not going to have to do that. Okay. Anyway, what I'm in charge of going to be you're going to want to be wide awake wide awake for all of it. You're not going numb any part of you. You're going to be paying attention cuz I'm paying attention understood my last question for this now mister president. You have been known for your insults of them evils. And basically the master of the political roast battle if I may say what advice would you have to Future Governor ma'am lady Huckabee situation is Esquire if other the per you know, the Democratic candidate was maybe saying that you worked for President Trump and basically putting you down how would you advise them? is her to punch back verbally, of course to whoever her adversary is find out if they have a special needs child and attack that Relentless off find out if you know try to get if they have any sex scandals, you gotta dig up that dirt and put those photos online as often as possible if they have any relatives, who are In our sick then maybe find a way to make them even more sick cheese. And now it's just it's tough politics and stuff, but it's not pretty it is not pretty and if not exception to the rule but it is not pretty exactly and I think when all else fails just in their looks Now a future Governor ma'am lady Huckabee Sanders Esquire. Did you learn anything from your father? Because he has been a lifelong politicians. Did he give you any kind of advice for your race for governor? Well, my father was a minister before he was a politician. Thank you. Look at the district. Look at how he just wiped away is great Christian life life is at you're done tactics that you're done last show when in doubt turn to the Bible, that's what we always say, June 6th. Okay. Well my my my apologies for that question, I future Governor ma'am lady Huckabee Sanders Esquire. I really appreciate you joining us and I can't wait to check in with you about your your governor race and what your plans are for the state of Arkansas or the possible states of trump presents name is Arkansas Arkansas's Ark in Salem. I'm sure there's a few other names Arkansas. I see are confessing am so whatever you decide to keep the name of the state and I'm looking forward to you know, President Trump being almost like a mentor for almost Wow song. I don't want to Rudy again. I'm store the governor maker. Well, I just want to thank everyone for joining us. You know, everyone's time is so precious found again precious the fat black. Yes, I do. I don't see the movie but I it was a pretty good movie. I thought it was a very accurate depiction of what African Americans like I know there was a very won an Oscar won an Oscar for very sad. What was that woman? She's a nasty comedian, but she was very strong in the movie. Monique, yes. That sounds right. I don't think about Kurt cameras movie again. Never going to get a score never going to look their way while he's saved Christmas and that's what's most important thing. Well, I just forget about Christmas I need to do something as Governor to help remind people that it's Christmas. So I think we're I'm going to put up the Christmas tree during Trump off. How about Trump trump season? The last day of trump season becomes the first day of Christmas season started it into a law right now and I have two years to campaign wage. Well, I just want to thank thank been online for sponsoring us this week. And also all the patreon Patriots like to be a patriot patreon.com is GA go on iTunes leave a rating leave a review help us out and also go check out MPG a pod, And subscribe to the YouTube page also a special song. T-shirts everyone. We're designing designing a new shirt and we are going to be selling out of these. We have a few left and they are half off right now every 1/2 off the tee shirts in our store MPG on a spot. They are $12 for the shirts half off. It's not many left. So grab them while once we sell those at okay, even if it's just as a Memento of your favorite Baptist half off a practically losing money on them if we sell them at this price because I think we might have to start selling some Idaho militia Christian t-shirts. That's correct Bad cast so I just want to also thank future Governor ma'am lady Huckabee Sanders Esquire AKA everyone check her out on social media at Chicago and spell what a guest always always crushes. We really by the way that just what I guess but this is a the first going in history by the way sort of the Georgette washing. And of the the first recipient of the mega for best guest 20 20 surf honor my honor. Well, isn't it? Isn't it not have been picking an Epi showing an Epi, right? Well remember it's like the Academy Awards and the Oscars. It's the same thing but it's two different ways. She want a nappy which is the short way of saying a makeup podcast grade again toward my big that's right. That's right the movie so I'm sorry for being rude e and I think your listeners out there. We appreciate you and lots of crazy stuff in store for 2021 and present the the floor is yours. Thank you very much. Okay, guys, it's J L. Hi. I just got back in the room two things very briefly. 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#1675: Kathy Hochul And Being The First Female | 51%
"On this week's fifty one percent governor andrew cuomo sexually harassed multiple women who best way. I can help now is vice. Step aside and let government get back to governing officially become the fifty seventh governor of the state of the art. She had a ton of work ahead of her. We discussed the saga that led to. New york's first female governor and what's in store for kathy hokuto. It's all coming up on fifty one percent. I was like one of those girls is seen in the movie. Polos repect then my sunglasses on without c. And alita did really. You're listening to fifty one percent a w. amc production dedicated to women's issues and experiences. Thank you for joining jesse king. We're talking women in politics today. Obviously kamala harris made headlines earlier this year of becoming the country's first vice president but this kind of history is still being made at the state level on august. Twenty fourth kathy. Hokkaido was sworn in as the fifty seventh governor and first female governor of new york. The ceremony occurred two days before women's equality day and local mark the occasion by wearing white in a nod to the women's suffrage movement her predecessor. Andrew cuomo had resigned under pressure facing a likely impeachment. Vote after a report. By state attorney general letitia james found. He sexually harassed multiple women including state employees. Now cuomo has denied inappropriately touching anyone and we've discussed some of the allegations against him on the show but today. I'd like to focus on hokkaido namely who is she. What's in store for her. And what can new yorkers expect from their first female governor too. Many new yorkers hocus relatively unknown despite a decades long political career. She's a buffalo native and got her start with the hamburg town. Board in the nineteen ninety s she served in congress representing the western twenty sixth district of new york from twenty eleven twenty thirteen. And she's been lieutenant governor since two thousand fifteen but her relationship with then governor cuomo was frayed and she largely stayed out of the limelight that came with his inner circle on her first day in office made point to introduce herself to new yorkers saying she wants to help people believe in government again. This is our time. Our time to escape the oppression of a deadly virus and make our schools and workplaces safe to return our time to build trust between communities and law enforcement invest in mental health resources and address the root problems of crime and keep our residents in children's safe. It's our time to make greater progress entering the ugly spectre of systemic racism. It's our time to help. Small businesses and create new jobs for new yorkers hit so hard by the pandemic. it's our time to unleash. The power of new york's women and make sure that any barriers to success and opportunity eradicated once and for all and time to show the world that ever upward is more than just our states model. It's who you are. And it's where we're going as i undertake the weighty responsibilities before me know that i have the confidence the courage and the ability to lead new yorkers ford and make new york's women fraud you'll find me to be direct straight talking and decisive i will not be deterred. And i'm willing to be bloodied and marred in the pursuit of what's doing what's right for the people of this great state. My friends i invite you to join me in this fight for our future. I only ask for your faith in me and for your prayers. Okla has already instructed. The state department of health to issue a mask mandate in schools and in response to the overwhelming scandal. That prompted her taking office. She said she will overhaul new york sexual harassment training for state employees to learn more about her. I spoke with reporters rousseff alaska's during the transition blazquez is a state capitol reporter for the city a digital news platform and new york city. And she's been reporting on state politics since twenty thirteen. The her job is lieutenant. Governor is really sort of ceremonial so that involves like her traveling. The state doing things that quite frankly. That governor doesn't want to so you know going to talk to a group of girl. Scouts or boy scouts going to the opening of a local business. Talking to union leaders. Know my favorite one is this appearance. She had a california pizza. Kitchen that involve union members like a lot of her experience has been her sitting in a car. Travelling around the state but dot had its own benefits. I mean she has been quietly amassing power and making relationships that andrew cuomo frankly didn't do too quite the people person which again is not something andrew cuomo zone for so actually doing this. I mean she's from buffalo. New york city is a very far place from buffalo. You're closer to cleveland than you to manhattan. If you live there so she going to be facing a lot of things that she comes into this new role. That actually kind of goes right into my next question. So what are some of the issues that she's going to be facing right away as governor. She is basing something that i don't think any other governor in the history of new york has dealt with. I was talking to someone yesterday. Who mentioned that david paterson. Who was always sisters. Lieutenant governor inherited this major financial crisis in two thousand eight that pales in comparison to everything that be hopeful is going to be dealing with for starters. We have a pandemic going on the new numbers of cova cases are rising. We're seeing new cases that we haven't seen in weeks and months the number of quotations now with similar to what it was in the spring there's an increase recently in hospitalizations from covert. She's going to have to deal with you. Know a relatively stagnant vaccination rate and figuring out how to get the remainder of new yorkers vaccinated and then there's other policy issues like the looming housing prices that we might be facing in new york a week. After kathy hogle become summoner. New york conviction moratorium expires so she has seven days to figure out what to do talking to lawmakers talking to landlords talking to advocate to figure out. How do we this addictions moratorium. That's the supreme court just partially deemed unconstitutional with that is also a really dysfunctional rental assistance. Program that has not distributed so both of the money that's been allocated and if that money doesn't get used up by the end of september it goes back to the federal government so that is all a lot to deal with in you know your first month coming into office. You also have to think about the fact that she is inheriting a state. that's been besieged by scandal. She has to come in to this role and rebuild. Trust within new york state government with the people of new york who seen now the last new governor sort of implode so she has a ton of work ahead of her. How much do we know about. Hotels stances on like broader issues. I don't think they're necessarily know that much. I mean t- propelled into some politics when she was erie county executive and she was anti immigrant. She has stated that if new york allowed undocumented immigrants to apply for driver's licenses she would call the police on them in a bad stance changed in twenty fourteen when she ran as andrew cuomo's number two and she's become much more progressive. As the summer products party has moved leftwards. it remains to be like whether or not she embraces the mo- progressive wing of the party or she governs more as a moderate so aside from the obvious oklaho- said her work environment will never be described as quote toxic in that any staffers name. In the attorney general's report won't be working for her but aside from that. How can we expect local to lead differently from cuomo. I mean right off the bat. She said that she's going to govern completely different from cuomo. She's doing things that the governor i don't think has done period that includes meeting with the new york city mayor who was highly like famously tumultuous relationship with promo. She's already met with in your public advocate. Who ran against her in twenty eighteen. So right off the bat. She's trying to repair some of these relationships. And it's so funny i was someone mentioned the other day that like what when things get really terrible. That's when women get brought in toledo and fix things and there will be some sort of honeymoon period for her as everyone wants her to succeed at this point like no one is actively rooting against her in a way that they were actively rooting against homos. If there was so much animosity towards him she has more interpersonal relationships with people than her predecessor. Now huckle has already said. She plans to run for a full term in twenty twenty two. What does that feel. Look like right now. And what can she do to improve our odds over the next year she will almost immediately have to start running a campaign. That's because new york has now moved up. Its primary days to the summer. So you're gonna start. Seeing people declare their candidacy for governor in the winter before year and she's going to have to raise millions of dollars to do that and she does advantage because she from buffalo. You're going to be the first governor generations to be from new york city and the surrounding suburbs. There are rumors that new york city mayor. Bill the law zeo wants to run. There has been the possibility that letitia jane might run to although she has not said publicly. So she's up against a lot and then going back to cuomo issues and questions still remain with him like what is still up on the air as far as like this report came out what remains so i feel like the report was just the tip of the iceberg. There are now several investigation into audible criminal actions by the governor and members of his staff. Local district attorney. They're looking into somebody sexual harassment allegations. There could be charges brought up against him. There's also the issue of his administration handling of nursing homes during the height of the pandemic. The us attorney for the eastern district. is also investigating those. There is an investigation over the happened the bridge and whether or not it is faulting and we also have the thing about the fact that andrew cuomo has been a prolific fundraiser. So the kids sitting on eighteen million dollars. You know decent chunk of that will probably go to legal fees. But what's he gonna do with that money personally as someone who has been outspoken about the importance of equal access in the press particularly with women. What is your assessment of reporting during the cuomo administration and what are your hopes with whole the capital reporters that cover the cuomo administration or just cover politics in general in new york skew. Mail my experience covering the whole administration. The governor tended to take men more seriously. You know it's a lot harder to distinguish yourself when you're in your early twenties mid twenties as a woman when you're surrounded by men who are twice her age has done this job twice as long as you have. And i'm hoping that kathy hopeful realizes that there is value in giving reporters equal access and equal opportunity. Not just women too but non white reporters you know the political coverage. Hansa come from people who are white you know. There's very few black with tino. Asian reporters that cover the governor cover politics. In general there is ethnic media all over the state that haven't been given the same level of access either and that's something to be mindful of new york is a hub for immigrants. They're just as invested in the future of the state as someone who was born here with the swearing in of kathy hotel. The us tied its record for the most active female governors at one time a whopping nine fifty but still mogul has pierce past and present who stories. She can look to as she navigates her first few months among the nice jeans swift who was the first female governor of massachusetts from two thousand one to two thousand three now swift and ho- come from different sides of the political aisle local democrats whipped republican but their paths to the governorship have their similarities. Swift was lieutenant governor. When then governor paul saloojee was appointed. Us ambassador to canada by them. President george w bush during her tenure swift would guide massachusetts through the fiscal crisis that followed nine eleven and became the first acting. Us governor to give birth while in office. I recently spoke with swift about her experience. As governor in any advice she might have for locals term. Clearly we both became governor with the departure of a governor. I think the difference is that governor saloojee departed under his own terms and was happy to move onto a new professional challenge. And that creates you know. I think some challenges. When i became governor as folks were not always happy and that he had left and he left a very high functioning team. Think it may be easier for governor local to take over as many folks believe there was a need for a transition of power in new york and because some of the issues that led to her taking over the governorship had to do with gender issues. She has a natural mandate to address some of the shortcomings of the previous administration. And what was your initial reaction. When you found out you were going to be governor. I was. I think like many people very honored is huge privilege to lead commonwealth or a state but also at the daunting job. I like governor. Hogan has served in other elected positions. So i felt ready from a policy perspective but i think you can never quite be ready for all the attention and the weight of responsibility. That settles on your shoulders. The good news is i was pleasantly surprised with just how many people are willing to step up in. Lend their expertise to help be successful one of the things that i have read. She is very focused. On which i think is exactly the most important first step is to assemble your own team to make sure that you have the right. People both the subject matter experts. Who can help you deal with a wide array of issues that our governor has to deal with but also the people who you can trust. And i think it is critically important to have people not only that you can trust and confide in but people who will tell you the things. Sometimes you don't want to hear spoke to you have a strong enough relationship in confidence so they can give you bad news and tell you things that perhaps no one else wants to tell you and in terms of political issues. What were some of the biggest things that you tackled as governor. So i was hoping to concentrate on an issue that i've continued to work on throughout my entire life which is educational excellence but unfortunately several months after becoming governor at the events of nine eleven really shifted the focus of my time as governor to be about restoring strength to our economy stabilising the public's finances and balancing our budget as well as making sure the safety and security issues at our airports in our port and for all of our citizens were dressed so one the things That governor hogan. I'm sure we'll realize is we certainly are in a crisis right now. With kovin at there may be issues that emerge that you could have had no opportunity to predict and that is both one of the challenges but also a real opportunity in governing overall. What was your experience like as governor. Was it hard being the state's first female governor. So i think one of the things that is really important is being. I can be hard. The governor will be asked questions that other male governors don't get asked but what's most important is that the symbolism of having a woman in that role has already created enormous importance in excitement to young women and girls certainly throughout new york but frankly throughout the country. I'm the mother of three daughters in college. And because we live right over the border and watch a lot of albany based television. My daughters have noticed that. There's a female governor in new york and even though their mother served in that role it's exciting to them to see another woman as governor so for all the pressure of going first and having perhaps some questions be asked of you that others don't answer there's also this tremendous privilege of being able to inspire the next generation of leaders. I would also tell her to enjoy it. The opportunity to make an impact and improve the lives of the people in her state is just an unparalleled opportunity to make a difference. And i'm sure she will find. That is deeply deeply rewarding. You said there's some questions that hoke might be asked as being the first female governor. What kind of questions are those. Well there's been a ton of research that often. When women are in political leadership positions we focus more on. What's called the three inches the hair hemlines and husbands. So you know they will be people who will pay too much attention to wardrobe looks and her family life and it's important that the governor ship that focus right back to the important issues of what she's trying to achieve for families in all of new york not on. I'm sure what is her own wonderful family life. How do you feel. We can better support women in government or women. Just the workforce in general and one of the things that i have always challenged individuals. As if you're asking a question that may have gender overtone. Maybe run through your head i would. I have asked governor cuomo that theme question And if the answer is no then donau the question One example. I always give is seldom. Do we see stories written about whether or not men are disappointed or supportive of a particular decision that a governor made but often. When you're the first there will be these stories about. Oh how do women feel about that. Which most of the time is not done To be supportive and as often trying to drive a wedge among voting constituency or just prolong a bad story. Hopefully we'll get to a point where women taking over office is not a first right. It'll be third. And a fourth. I would love to see us have parody where we talk about a woman's platform rather than the historic nature of their ascendance. That will also help the women in those roles to have other women to look to other allies to work with the so just having it be normalized. Experience have women in these high level leadership roles will be a wonderful day swift mentioned whoever kathy hoke picked beyond her team will be incredibly important in one of her. I tasked says governor huckabee tapped her replacement as lg choosing democratic state. Senator bryan benjamin from the thirtieth district in harlem perhaps in a bid to bridge that buffalo new york city gap that josefa mentioned earlier. What that means that. Some of the top spots in new york state government right now are held by women and people of color. There's hawkal benjamin. State senate majority leader andrea stewart cousins assembly speaker. Carl hasty and attorney general letitia. James whose report of course kick started this whole thing so so what. Why is this all a big deal. Well it comes down to representation and the diversity of perspectives in our government. In case he missed the title of the show. Women make up more than half the us population. Twenty twenty cents. This data demonstrates the country is becoming increasingly diverse but according to the latest numbers from the center for american women and politics at rutgers women make up only twenty six point seven percent of today's congress. The number of women in office at the state and local level is higher but only slightly at thirty one percent and thirty point five percent respectively. Still those numbers are slowly but surely rising according to sonia osorio president of the national organization for women of new york. I'm not one that buys into the kind of innate differences in leadership styles of men and women. Because i've certainly seen in my own career that it runs the gamut men can be as collaborative and compassionate and empathetic as descriptive words. That people like to use stereotype about women. I think the biggest quality women bring to the table is the desire to prove himself because very often they are the first to do it or one of the first to do it. Donald trump was the best advertisement to motivate women to run for office than we've had in decades. We had nurses and teachers farmers who would never run for office. Never even been politically active at the local level who were driven to be a counterweight to donald trump and they ran for office and many of them one. We're now at a point where we're really starting to hit that. Thirty percent golden rule. That's generally when minority groups hit thirty percent. They really start to have influence in power in a larger group. So it's a slow and steady progress What has changed is that a larger percentage of those figures are women of color for instance thirty seven percent of the twenty three percent of women mayors in the. Us are women of color. So that's real progress on that end You can take some cities as an example in new york city for the first time the city council is going to be when all of the newly elected are sworn in in january of twenty twenty two. It's going to be women majority. And this is after a number of years where women's representation in new york city council really was stuck at nine ten eleven twelve women out of fifty one. So what do you see. Some of the barriers to having more women elective office. You know it is a pipeline issue. We have to think about why politics isn't always attracted not just to women but two men as well. It's a tough decision to make. It's a tough road and as an industry as ruthless. You think about what you have to do. You have to ask all your friends for money. It's a six. Am to eleven pm job when you're running for office when you get into office you've got to turn around and do that again in a matter of you know with thirteen months. You've got to start planning your next campaign for many positions from state legislatures to congress at a lot of people do not win on the first try so there are things that we can talk about changing about elected office. That would make it more attractive for people because there are a lot of really talented people who would make exceptional legislators who aren't going to do it because the was just isn't worth it. So what are some of those things that we can do to increase accessibility. One of the biggest changes that we could make and it's one that new york city has implemented is campaign finance reform and many other countries do this. Every candidate has the same amount of money. You're not raising outside money. It's an equal playing field. The public gets to know candidate through the public access of television and the airways. That would be a much more attractive. Way of running and a more democratic way of running elections. Is it working perfectly here in new york city doe not yet but if we can create a level playing field for all candidates that would really diversify the pool of candidates that we now have and let me give you an example here new york. Luebbe gra shirley ran for congress on long island and she had two small kids and she did something that had never done before she petitioned the federal election commission to add childcare costs as an allowable expense of campaign fun she became the first person in history to receive federal approval to spend campaign buttons on childcare and since then many people have not just mothers and fathers as well. I mean that is something that i had never heard about before. This mom of two decided she wanted to take a chance to run and got in it and realize the biggest barrier for her was childcare. You say to yourself gosh. If women would have been in politics in larger numbers for more years this would have come up in the past and we would have had this already as a rule established long ago. That's a wrap on this week's episode of fifty one percent. Fifty one percent is the national production of w amc northeast public radio that theme underneath me right now. That's lolita by albany based artist. Girl blew the big. Thanks to joseph at velazquez. Jane swift and sonia osorio for sharing their time and experience. Thanks to our story editor in pickus our executive producer. Dr alan sharp hawk and of course you for tuning in if you like what. You're hearing check us out on twitter. Facebook and instagram fifty one percent radio and you can find episodes new all that w amc dot org or wherever you get your podcasts. Until next week. I'm fussy king for fifty one percent. Every single was. Nobody is so sure so i was fifteen. He was all night on the whole. Swayed it down little jay. take the taking.
7-23-21 The Mike Gallagher Show Hour 2
"Is podcast is a production of the salem podcast network for more podcast like this from courageous voices of conservative reason visit salem podcast network dot com portions of the following program. May prerecorded to your health. This is your source for breaking news and what to make this. He's the mike gallagher show. There's no basis to have any kind of masking for young children who are going back to school. The best way to protect the kids right now everyone to get vaccinated if everyone's vaccinated and the kids are going to have almost no exposure to the virus. If biden wants to destroy the recovery and ruined my summer he will bring back the mandates and he will try it out foul cheetahs sell it. And it's just gonna make everybody angry from the relief factor dot com studios. Here's mike gallagher. Would you love me if i've banned all conversation about vaccines masks and covert. Maybe for a day. I had a dream last night that i did that and everybody just loved it and i'm only half kidding. My gosh this is getting tedious. Isn't it going to be interesting to see the battle between the governor of florida where i live and the white house interesting battle brewing over masks you know. The all the signals from washington seemed to suggest that the cdc is going to mandate a mask wearing vaccinated public. Which of course makes you wonder. What in the world y. Then are people getting vaccine. Why in the world of people being shamed into getting a vaccine. If you're not gonna be able to live life normally after you get it. I've seen clips of biden and harris sane. Get your vaccine live your life. I've even think they said get the vaccine. Take your mask off and looks like we're going to go in the opposite direction because of the delta variant. Let's dive into this for a couple of moments because ron santa's who i think is without a doubt beyond fantastic. One of the best governors america has. This guy is so good on so many levels. I'm fashioned this. I really am compelled to study this guy. Because he's not going anywhere. And i worry about the state of florida because florida's loss may be america's gain if he chooses to run for national office. Here's what he said yesterday at a press conference about you know the press conference the other day and i was really surprised at how many people seem to follow his advice and say listen. The vaccines are working. We as you pointed out if you have a vaccine one hundred percent one hundred percent likely that you will not wind up hospitalized or dead and a controversial view i guess in some circles but dorando centers the governor florida. He said he had a big passionate press conference. The other day and i was frankly expecting a lot of pushback from this audience. I was watching the emails and text messages closely. And incidentally can i remind you text us or email us whenever you want because it's a great focus group. It's a great way for me to kind of get an idea of what you're feeling how you're feeling what you believe in one. Eight hundred six five six four five three our text line. That's the my pillow text line. We're proud to bring it to you every day and give you that opportunity to if you don't wanna come on the air and people get nervous about coming on the air i get it i get it i get it but you also get email us mike at mike online dot com again. We watch those emails carefully. And i was surprised there was very few. There was very little pushback to two governor fantas. He didn't he's not telling people to get the vaccine. he's not mandating. He's just sort of saying if you watch the data if you study the data. It's a powerful. The vaccine will prevent you from being hospitalized. You're dying. He said here's what he said. Yesterday about masks. And this is what at the white house off. Rhonda santa's kinda of digging in his heels and say no to having our five year olds in florida where mask look forward to this upcoming year to be a normal school year the in person and and and live like and like normal kids. There's been talk about intentionally. People advocating at the federal level imposing compulsory mask on kids. We're not doing that. In florida at the end of the day. We gotta start putting our kids. I we gotta look out for their education is really comfortable. Is it really healthy for them to be muzzled and have their breathing obstructed all day long and school. I don't think it is. And i looked at thank a three year old son. He got people like found. She saying he should be muzzled that you should be throwing mass on these three year old kids. It's totally unacceptable. The white house didn't like that at all. Let's check in with circle. Back jen circle back jammed in like what the governor said well as a parent myself and i know you are one if i were a parent florida that would be greatly concerning to me because kids under the age of twelve or not vaccinated. They're not eligible yet as the president said last night. obviously it's can be led by the fda but certainly. We hope that will be soon. But that puts kids at risk. It's not aligned with public health guidelines We know masks are not the most comfortable thing. I will say mike. It's quite adjusted to them. As i know many kids are So certainly we would have concern about any steps that doesn't buy public health guidelines and we think it puts people the I'm so relieved. The gen sakis kids are used to the masks and very comfortable with them now. Aren't you glad argue. Your kids needs to be need to be comfortable to your kids. Need to be as good as jen. Sakis children are if your kids don't like wearing a mask does not as they're just not as hip as jen sakis children just not. They're just not the smart kids. Her kids at the smart kids. That you know are okay with masks. I mean th. There's gonna be very interesting battle between governors like rhonda. Santa's he won't be alone. I expect henry mcmaster and south carolina. I mean you get on the list a greg abbot of texas. And of course they keep telling us they breathlessly scream. The texas and florida are surging with coded as somebody pointed out the other day. Cove isn't surging. We've had such historic dramatic epic decreases in cova and now that this delta variant has been introduced it is going up a little bit but since it's going up the messages panic panic panic perspective. I may take a poll. Maybe maybe next week. We'll do a poll question. Here in the relieffactor dot com studios. We will ask. Do you want to have a coveted free vaccine debate. Free mask free day. Here on the mike gallagher show because we might consider that i really was at where does a dream last night. I woke up thinking you wake up sometimes in dreams or still with you and it was like i got on the air and i said you know what no more today. We're we're gonna talk about everything but the trouble is. Our lives are all intertwined with his garbage of this this crap and there's not a whole lot of ways to get out of it. How about the whole idea of kicking. Jim jordan and jim banks off of the select committee investigating january six. I wanna revisit this because we can't let it's a real scandal. That's all coming up here on this friday july twenty third episode of the mike gallagher. Show mike on all your amazon echo devices. Just tell alexa to play them. Mike gallagher show. And i'll bet you've seen pete and sheth talbot on the tv. The father and son owners of relieffactor boyer they great guys. They have a heart for the hurting. They just want to get you out of pain. 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Mike gallagher. Now we gotta keep on truckin baby earlier. In the week on wednesday pelosi announcement. She's banning he's rejecting to republicans from sitting on the newly formed january sixth select. You know a lot of us have been saying that they don't have any intention of truly getting to the bottom of january six. They just want us january sixth as a campaign ad for the midterm elections. That's all it's about. They have no more interest in finding out what happened in the man in the moon. And the fact that pelosi kicked off the committee to firebrand a passionate bulldogs. Jim banks from indiana and jim jordan from ohio proves exactly that that she's not interested in any they don't she doesn't wanna have you know she wants on the committee. Liz cheney and of course as soon as pelosi kick jim jordan and jim banks off of the committee liz. Cheney announced the g. supported pelosi's decision to kick off off her fellow republicans. Kevin mccarthy is credit has now pulled all the republicans on the committee in protest. And there was liz cheney standing out there on capitol hill sane. It's great mood lose. Cheney's a democrat republican anymore. Then dominic who. I respect a lot. Tweeted out by endorsing the pelosi move immediately. The move to kick off jim jordan. Jim banks liz. Cheney eliminates any possibility that her own participation in the committee can be used as a bipartisan. Smokescreen a smart member would have criticized pelosi in order to maintain the fiction. But liz cheney is not smart. Ouch and then even more scathingly perhaps donald trump junior tweeted. Liz cheney's internal polls must be so bad that she has finally figured out that our only future in politics is in the democrat party. So of course of course. Here's congressman. jim. Jordan cut seven pointing out all along. This has been only about politics. Politics politics leader and jim exactly right. This has always been about politics in today's actions of the speaker. Just confirm that. But frankly and i've said this before. What else are they going to talk about. I mean they've been so folks january six committee. What else are they going to talk about. Crime the fact. That crime is up in every major urban area in this country. They're gonna they're gonna talk about the border crisis. I mean thinking about. This march was the highest month on record illegal crossings until april april was the highest month on record until may may was the highest month record until june. Can't talk about that talk about inflation. We'll talk about the fact that the price of eggs is. The price of milk is up. The price of bread is up. The price of gas is up the price of the airline tickets up the price of a us. The price of everything is up. They can't talk about that so they're going to be partisan and they're going to focus on this but as the leader said and as mr bank said i don't think they're going to address the fundamental questions the fundamental question. Why wasn't there a proper proper security presence at the capitol that day. then i'm gonna address. That and only one person can answer that question only one speaker of the united states house of representatives. Jim jordan would've asked that question on that select committee. And that's why pelosi kicked him off. Liz cheney wouldn't ask that question. She's literally in cahoots with the democrats. Here's congressman jim. Banks asking the question. Who is the speaker afraid. Of course the answer is you. She knows that we're already asking questions. And just the to the first couple of days. The leader mccarthy appointed us to this task questions that democrats have never asked about why the capitol was vulnerable on that day when we had intelligence for weeks leading up to january six. That told us that something dangerous would happened on january six. She knew we would fight back against their political games. And that's why she didn't want to participate in this committee. It just goes to show. This is entirely a political exercise on her part. It's a shame the american people deserve better. They demand answers about january six because the the american people demand that their leaders step up to make sure. That never happens again. But we all know that this is an exercise in politics. It's not an exercise in finding the facts. And that's what's that's what's unfortunate about the speakers move. It just goes to show. We begs the question. The all of us should be asking. What is the speaker afraid of that again. She's afraid of us. Your pray jim jordan. She's afraid of answering questions and she certainly afraid of getting to the truth and the truth is why was there not an adequate security presence. Which was her responsibility. Why was there not an adequate security presence on january six. Isn't it remarkable that the ones who are trying to get to the truth of january six either republicans the ones who are trying to hide the truth are the democrats who new. Hey coming up now. You know to those who think that all conservatives on the radio and on air are all in lockstep agreement with each other rare minor disagreement. That i had with one of my colleagues. We're gonna talk about people writer center. Who are pro vaccine. That's coming up in the relieffactor dot com studio. Stay watch the show online. Mike online dot com. While listening to this radio station liger show profound. She has been elected into nothing. He is a government. Employee is responsible to the tax payers and quite frankly he is subject to oversight of the congress and for the tone for him to have taken. I thought was arrogant. Puget listrik in a way. That is not the coming of an employee of the government who should be a little bit more respectful of the people who have the right to cut the pursestrings in the relieffactor dot com studios. Here's mike governor huckabee us right. Thou- telling this week. Sure did seem to be rather unbecoming for a scientist whose only trying to be about the pandemic his his angry lashing out at rand paul was was pretty remarkable. Got a lot of pandemic vaccine news. I want to tackle. I know we're we were up to our eyeballs in vaccine debate but let's face it it's it impacts every man woman and child in america and i want to tackle the perspective of the alleged change tune of people on the right. My my my friend. Charlie kirk addressed this week. And i have a respectful minor disagreement with charlie. We're big charlie kirk fans here at team gallagher. Of course we did the broadcast featuring turning point usa the beginning of the week in tampa. But charlie said something that surprised me a little bit. And i want to. I want to sort of get your analysis of it as well. Portions of our show are brought to you in part by job creators network biden's goofy townhall with his pal gone limited. Cnn shows how out of touch biden really is on so many levels man. Oh man it was one thing after another. The price of cars is really lower than it was before the pandemic. That's going to be a lot. That's news to a lot of home bought a car buyers rather who no. That's not true. How about if you're vaccinated. You're not gonna get covet. It's what you said at the townhall meeting. That's news to a whole lot of my listeners. Who have been vaccinated at have tested positive for koga. Now the good news is. I think you're not gonna wind up in the hospital or dead if you're vaccinated. I think i wanna believe that so seems to be the case at least in the united states. But you're gonna get vaccinated. You won't get cova. You won't test positive. That's pitifully demonstrably false. So biden of courses also pushing against small business owners massive tax increases the gazillion dollar infrastructure. Plan that republicans are wisely shooting down because democrats want a loaded up with so much of their ideology. Their agenda will job. Creators network is working hard to fight those attacks. They are pushing back. We talked to alfred ortiz. Elaine parker the good people that job creators network all the time. Be part of their army. Go to join j. c. n. dot com. They're looking for a team of of men and women who can join their small business advocacy and advisor program. So if you own a business and you wanna be a part of this battle to fight for. Small businesses in america go join. Jc and dot com and learn all about this tremendous organization job creators network. They're looking for some great people to join their growing army of small business leaders and advocates. We need you. They need you america. Need you to join. Jc dot com. Join jc dot com. And thank you to job creators network for their partnership or their support. Love telling you all about them governor roger sanchez. This week in florida talking about the vaccines. I think to santa's has done a remarkable job of guiding the state through all of the challenges and all of the the ups and downs in the and the mysteries of the virus. Here's governor is talking about. The what he says is the lifesaving aspect of the vaccines. Here's i think the most important thing with the data if you are vaccinated fully vaccinated the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from. Kobe is effectively zero. If you look at the people that are being admitted to hospitals over ninety five percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all and so these vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality mortality in nursing. Home since we rolled out the vaccines in december is down over ninety five percent dudakovic mortality for elderly people since we rolled out the vaccines is down nearly ninety percent. And so we're proud in florida that we put seniors i on that. Because they were the most vulnerable we have eighty five percent of our seniors that are vaccinated and about seventy five percent of folks. Over the age of fifty we have no mandate. We've provided information to people and we've been very honest about any data that comes out and i can tell you that if you look you are seeing people that are vaccine. For whatever reason some. I think contest positive if you're vaccinated but they don't get seriously ill. Except maybe rare instances. There's always one offs on stuff. I can tell you in florida your chance of surviving if your vaccine is close to one hundred percent and so we worked very hard to get those vaccines into all elderly communities and give it to other folks who who could use it. Obviously when you talk about some of the younger folks. The uptake has been less. I think that the distribution was very effective that we did. And i think we had a lot of good uptake on the johnson and johnson in march and april we have saw noticeable decline j in j when they put it back because of the. I think it was a huge mistake. I said so at the time. And i think that that sent a message that maybe this is not something that they should be doing. I think that's been unfortunate. Because i took it. I think it's i think it's effective okay. So there's governor dissenters had macken any pushing hard for the vaccine you saw sean hannity's monologue. He's been very consistent. Sean has believed in the vaccine the science of vaccines but there are some on our side of the aisle people that we respect and we liked very much. Charlie kirk was on tucker carlson this weekend. Charlie seems suspicious. Or cynical of anybody like the rhonda santa susana kaley macanese the world who are urging others to get the vaccine. Here's charlie shit on tucker carlson the other night and the other question is while the sudden the last forty eight hours has there been this almost coordinated effort of people on the establishment center right kind of virtue signaling and telling every single person to get vaccinated while we're starting to see this kind of disturbing increase activity on the database and we're seeing story after story not to mention dr robert malone has said on your program and dr brett weinstein and so i think what we have here is mission creep certain institutions. That think they're supposed to do things that they really aren't and tucker i'm glad i received this email because we got an inside look into what. Cnn's trying to do in this regard the public health. And it's very disturbing talk about an email. Charlie got was accidentally sent him by cnn. Executive ellison we're big fans of charlie. Here i just respectfully disagree with his position that rhonda santa's is able to think for himself. I think rhonda santos thinks for himself just fine and i. I really wish all of us myself included would sort of pull back on this instinctive pouncing on anybody who has an opinion about the vaccine. One way or the other. I don't think people ought to pounce on people like charlie who seems cynical about the vaccine in charlotte made it clear. I didn't know this. But charlie shut on air. I'm not getting the vaccine okay. He's an american free. American gets to make that decision if he's you know a watch the data if he's talked to his doctor if he's just making a decision for himself that's up to him a grown man and people who get the vaccine or don't get the vaccine need to live with that decision and that's something that the democrats don't wanna let people do not allowed to live your life. You're not allowed to make a decision for yourself and that's wrong. We are a free country. But i also wish we would be a little bit less inclined to start lopping heads off. If somebody listened for all. I know people like ron dishonest. And kelly mcenaney have been seen. The data talking to their doctor have decided to come become a maybe even more forceful in favor of vaccines because they want to get this thing over with and they believe that's the path you may not but people who respect folks like governor onto santa's and i do my wanna pay attention and i've said all along as you know i got the vaccine. I respect people who decide to get the vaccine. I respect people who feel that. They don't want to get the vaccine. Never right to feel either way more coming up in the relief factor dot com studios a busy friday episode of the mike gallagher show. I'm glad you're here. Pan show on the mypillow text line. One eight hundred six five five. Mike my gallagher gallagher show for a friday in the relieffactor dot com studios. So glad you're with us. We got so much to do here and it's been a busy week. Been a good week but a productive week. We started out sort of focusing on turning point. Usa the big event they had in tampa and we were all about that. That was a lot of fun. Great great organization and inspired and founded by pretty remarkable. Young man named charlie kirk. Who are big fans of here team. Gallagher i'm also team gallagher lot because it's really is a team effort and we've had a little bit of turnover in our organization. We were So sad to have to say goodbye to pavlina asta who has decided to To leave the company and go on to two different and we hope brighter pastures. He really is great on air and she is so into lifestyle and podcasting she wants to do stuff with She's a generation z. She's she's such a cool cool young woman and we wish her nothing but the best her her presence will be missed here and she was After it's gonna be tough to replace her but filling. Her shoes will be yuri yuri sucker. Rockoff that's right. He's good irish name. Yuri is the newest member of the team. And he is now working on the ought doing all the video stuff that That pavlina had been doing and he has just been a delightful edition and it dawned on me. We don't talk enough about our team and i don't. I'm not one of those shows where there is this. You know the morning zoo kind of atmosphere and we're ringing bells and bringing everybody and we bring arrogant once in a while and derek. But i want you to just know a little bit about the team. I wanna just take a couple of moments to tell you about the folks behind the scenes who are responsible for bringing you the show. Now there's a lot of people that we won't. We won't formerly introduce you to today. Because i mean joey hudson. Who's my business manager. He also plays an integral role in our day to day show. Robert haley is the invaluable engineer at shalem tampa. There's a whole team of people. Sort of attached. To the mike gallagher show but the people who are hands on the people who do the show every single day the video streaming up of operations person who does all the video streaming. That's yuri our phone screener. Who you're gonna meet just a moment tracy stockwell derek old. Who's my producer and eric hansen. Our operations manager. who is the. He's the the elder statesman of the group. He's the wise sage. Been with me for one. Hundred years has been really touched. By the fact that yurii shirokov who is now. The video producer was was first exposed national. Talk radio when his dad recommended my show and you're knowing that his son yuri liked political talk. Yuri started listening to the show. And how about that. He joined the show this week on our as our newest team member. He's a lifelong talk. Radio fan been listening to talk radio. I guess that was thirteen right. Yuri when your dad recommended the mike gallagher show. How old is he now. Now he's seventy eight sixty seven seventy. How how is jerry. Now somebody tells me eric. Can you tell me he could twenty nine years old and then amazing so sixteen years ago his father introduced him to the mike. Gallagher show and sixteen years later. Here he is that just. That really is a great story and welcome. You're you're doing a magnificent job right off the bat you're learning everything and it's not an easy job. This is listen. Working with me is no easy feat for any of these folks. They've all got ulcers probably they all got more grey hairs than they need to have a. And i am grateful to each and every one of them. I'm grateful to tracy. Tracy is really cool. She's not normally from. She was originally from upstate. New york she's lived in florida since nineteen eighty-four and i put out an on air appeal. We needed a phone screener. And an assist in here in our tampa studios and i decided to go right to the tampa bay audience. And she's an amazing lady to she She worked at the tampa bay times for three decades. And then they you know in kind of newspaper. Fashion newspapers are going later off. Twenty nineteen she. is a breast cancer survivor. Covert hit. She's the mom of two adult children beautiful grandchildren and when i said hey we want somebody to screen causes anybody interested. She came to our attention. She emailed the show. She went right to the top of the list. And i can't imagine a better higher than tracy stock while she is a little a little edgy. Which we like. She's feisty and she's a goriest call screeners when you call the show. You're gonna talk to tracy stock well and then we've got young derek clinger who grew up on long island. He graduated from saint john's university pretty soon. After his college graduation he was interning on the joe. Piscopo show and we snatched him away was down the hall at am nine hundred. Seventy the answer now. He's the full-time producer of the mike. Gallagher show he began april twenty twenty young conservative. He was a news junkie in college. And he's a great great kid. And we're greg calling the kid but he's he's a young man and we're proud to have him on the team and he's doing a tremendous job. And of course. Eric good old. Eric has been the operations manager. For the mike. Gallagher show since one thousand nine hundred ninety nine before that he was account executive in studio manager for the abc radio networks. He manages everything that comes out of the speakers. Anything you hear eric. He's like beyond the air traffic controller. He's like the wizard in is pulling all the levers only he really is a powerful and effective as it should have been. He's a martial arts enthusiast. He's the wife of his wife twenty-six six years he and gina have three beautiful daughters nicolette. Cc and audrey and again one thousand nine hundred nine. I watch these children to grow up. And it's really cool. To have eric eric hanson in their life. He's remarkable so. That's the team eric. And tracy and yuri and derek and it is so so wonderful to have each and every one of them put up with me every day. Do the fine job that they do. It's an honor to come to work and be surrounded by the very best team in radio and they really are and they are sometimes the unsung heroes. So i wanted to sing their praises a little bit and just give a big shout out to our team and share them with you. Thank you for letting me do that. 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"Welcome to the eric metaxas. Show with your host. eric taxes. Folks i wanted to remind you again. Twenty one days of prayer for the nation. My wife and i are fasting dinner tonight. And i hate that actually. I don't hate. It is a wonderful thing. We're going to pray together fast. For the nation you can go to let us worship dot. Us to sign up. Let us worship dot us right now. Something exciting a new film. It's called nothing but the truth. And i have my guest pastor. Johnny hunt pastor. Johnny hunt welcomed the program. Thank you delight. Be with you. Tell me what is this film. Nothing but the truth. It's sort of a documentary. On the life of adrian rogers and many speaking into lots of the noble truth that he spoke in his years before the lord called him home sixteen years ago and reminding us that america not just now but is always been just one generation away from paganism take one generation that no longer stands for the moral absolute truth of god's word and we find america and america's churches in a serious dilemma. He predicted it so many years ago that it would be the greatest challenge and today a more people are speaking of my truth as opposed to his truth. And it's a difficult place when it comes to how many americans still believe in absolute truth. It's interesting right because it's not like the other side doesn't have a point. It's just the when you add it up. It's all wrong but they all always use. You know they say well. There's a different point of view here in a different way. You can talk about that all day long but once you forget that there is such a thing as truth and that it's vital for us to understand what it is we are. Let's face it in this generation. We have slid dramatically away from biblical truth. Which is one of the reasons excited to have you on and to tell people about the film. So where can people find the film. Nothing but the truth love worth finding is the best website probably to go to love worth finding with signing. That's a ministry. That was the tv ministry of dr adrian rogers which has continued because he continues to be on hundreds of outlets really around the world even to this day even though he's been in heaven for the last sixteen years he's still widely listened to love worth finding love worth finding folks. Check it out. And the you can go to the website nothing but the truth and bt nothing but the truth and bt movie dot com so who's in this film some people whose names i recognize. You've got other pastor such ken. Whitten you hear from men like jonathan. Falwell you hear from the pastor of first baptist church dallas texas robert jeffries. You hear from governor. Huckabee does a major part have some notable theologians from college and seminary level. Such as molar does a large segment of speaking own absolute truth and moral integrity. Lots of different speakers than i think. A lot of people not only recognized but very although national thing too big names lee. Strobel and tony evans tony evans. So amazing to listen to once he starts talking to some people they have such a gift was done. You think. wow. I need to hear this. So he's in the film. And how did you get involved in nothing. But the truth. It's more from a relationship with adrian. Rogers dr rogers was my mentor. Happened to write the first forward to a book that i drafted around twenty five years ago and so he spoke for me on many occasions and i had the privilege of speaking for him and just through the years a great relationship and people knew of his influence own my life and so when the film look like it was going to become a reality was tapped for small place. And you're exactly right. Tony evans does an outstanding job of just defining absolute truth and even answering questions concerning the subject again. He makes so much sense and lee. Strobel what can we say He does a remarkable job as he does in any of his books own. Whether it's a case for faith or case for christ's case for the resurrection in he he throws a lot of that end. Reminding people of the absolute fact of the life and death of christ is not even debatable anymore. We have at least nine. Outside sources from the bible they give evidence of the life and death and jesus christ. I've i've written about this in. At least two of my books and i was astonished when i realized how settled this is because you get the impression from this culture in which we live that. There's a question whether jesus ever existed and any think no we've got more evidence of his existence than we do of aristotle. I mean it's amazing. And and then when you look at the evidence for his resurrection. I never dreamt that there could be this much evidence for somebody's resurrection again. You can't prove it in the way that you can prove other things but it's like in a court of law if somebody says well we're gonna have to make a decision life or death decision. Do you think happened or not. The evidence is just astonishing evidence. And we need to know that. Now i never had the privilege of knowing adrian. Rogers where was his ministry. What part of the country was he in. He was at bellevue. Baptist church in memphis tennessee. The last thirty plus years of his life and ministry so he was on national television and really worldwide television and had served three terms as president of the southern baptist convention which still serves as the largest event evangelical body to ever exist on the north american continent and so he was a real voice. It was sort of the epa of the evangelical world for the last twenty years of his life. He cleared his throat. Everyone else begin to listen now is there any. Are there any clips of him in this film. Yes a good number of his clips preaching from his pulpit. Just standing an answering particular questions All throughout the film he will be featured and you said his his website even though he's been with the lord for sixteen years it's still functioning. It's love worth finding exactly still the same site that he used when he was alive and some dear friends of his and members of the church is really Remarkable story their kids that to knock on his door when they were twelve years old and run when he came to the door and then they talked about how he came out and in cayenne. This said okay. Boys come from behind bushes. They'd come in and he would just show real kindness to him today. Some of those boys are multimillionaires members of bellevue. So influenced by slight. They literally paid for this film as a legacy. To the life of the man that influenced them was a good thing. He didn't reach for the bb gun. As i would have done if those punks came up to my porch. No it's all right. You hear these stories of redemption twelve year old troublemakers suddenly funding the film to glorify. God through this man's life adrian rogers. I'm just thrilled to know of him and of the film. I want to tell people again. It's called nothing but the truth. It's on dvd And you can go to n. b. T. t. that's nothing but the truth and beat the nba t t movie dot com n. Bt movie dot com features. Mike huckabee. Lee strobel tony evans dave ramsey. And i'm not in it because they couldn't afford my fee. It's really terrible. I couldn't that thing now but this is exciting. We need more. This and i'm just thrilled. That even after somebody passes we can get to know about them and their life and their legacy so the website of course is love worth finding. And what part of the country are you in pasture hunt pastor first baptist church woodstock georgia for last thirty. Three years and step. Aside really transitioned some say retired from the church. But i'm a senior vice president of north american mission evangelism in pastoral leadership. And where's woodstock near woodstock is northwest atlanta about thirty five miles northwest of the senior. Now i know that area in the metroplex glad to know it's there will god bless you and again folks the film It's you can go to nba. T t movie dot com. It's nothing but the truth. It sounds very exciting n. bt movie dot com and the website of adrian. Rogers still working love worth finding. I would check it out. If i were you and i will check it out myself and pass johnny hunt. Thank you so much. Thank you jordan. Pa folks. I've got to tell you a secret about relief. Factor that the father son owners. Pete and seth taliban have never made a big deal about. But i think it is a big deal i i really do. They sell the three week quick. Start pack for just nineteen ninety-five to anyone struggling from pain like neck shoulder back hip or knee. 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You've heard about the six thousand nineteen project which since we don't have a ton of time i will simply say is evil and full of baloney but when you want some more details i would If you're going to reject something as utterly as i have you wanna be able to back it up with a big book. That has all the facts. Well mary gray bar. Who is my guest. Has written a book called debunking the sixteen nineteen project exposing the plan to divide america. Mary great bar. Welcome thank you. Well listen you. You wrote a book called debunking howard zinn exposing the fake history that turned generation against america. It's devastating stuff. I mean let's start there. Who are these people that obviously you know for lack of a better verb hate america. Why are they putting forward narratives. That are not only pernicious but are actually false. There's no question that howard johnson's version of america and the six thousand nineteen projects version america. This is complete nonsense being pedal as though it were true. Why do these people want to destroy the greatest nation in the history of the world. Well i think they have some personal resentment of howard. Zinn nicole hannah jones. Who is the creator of sixteen. Nineteen project have slightly different. Motivations both are promoting a kind of neo marxist version of history howard zinn of course was a one time member of the communist party and his allegiance was to communism and he hated this country and he hoped to foment a communist revolution. Nicole hannah jones from her interviews. And what. I've read about her and things that she has said has this resentment towards this country She believes perhaps going back to her family. that was mistreated because of their race. The black side of famish used biracial believes that this country has not treated her fairly and she believes in off. The fidel castro's cuba. She praises that regime. She she took a trip there and her politics are aligned with the squad of the democratic party. The far left. She wants to see a redistribution of wealth. She wants socialized healthcare. And so this is a history that kind of fits in. She may not be as aware of the real history is howard zinn but she refuses to take any kind of criticism. How would kind of enlightened her as to what really did happen. well again. You know you have to go back to even the title of sixty nineteen project. It is deliberately misleading. Let's be honest. it is deliberately misleading. It is confused millions at this point and the idea that you would say that the american project started in sixteen nineteen that's baloney on every level. You don't even know where to begin but with the help of the new york times which used to be reputable and i mean of course in the previous century. I'm talking about the nineteenth but the new york times has gotten behind this. All kinds of schools have gotten behind this. This is flat out false information being pushed very strongly and again to say it. It's dramatically un-american. I mean these are marxist ideas these are bitter ideas is sort of a school of grievances. I think harold bloom used to call it that the grievance school that you start with your grievances and then you just kind of emotes so why. Why is the sixteen nineteen project. Why is the ideas that it puts forth. I'm simply historically not ideologically. What is false about this if not everything well it. It's it's falls from the beginning when the project says that slavery in america was like nothing had ever existed in the world. Before i mean. That's one of the chapters of my book. Debunking the sixteen nineteen project. A are you kidding me. Wait can't go back farther in history than the beginning of slavery as long as we have historical records we have records of slavery. It's assisted in every part of the globe. It's been practiced by an justified by the major religions. It's been practiced by indigenous peoples of here in north america and south america. It is ubiquitous and to say that you know we had sort of invented slavery and that it was unlike anything that had ever existed before is out false and that's the beginning so is presented in isolation as uniquely american practice. That's particularly horrific. And i also compare it to practices of slavery in africa and other parts of the globe to show that slavery was a bad thing but it was a bad thing in all places. So that's where you start in smearing this country by presenting it falsely. In that way. I mean we have to say this just in case anybody doesn't know in my book. I learned this when i was writing my book. About william wilberforce. Amazing grace that black africans enslaved black africans black africans then sold enslaved black africans to white english people who took them down to the west indies. Back in time. Just as you said the egyptians and slaved the hebrews well. We don't say that you know that was egyptian supremacy. We recognize it as what we know. It is it's original sin. We are broken sinners and this is what people have done to other people since the beginning of time. So why do you think that people pushing things like the sixty nineteen project have such an animus against america that they would distort that and make it sound as though slavery was invented by white people four hundred years ago which we know it was not right well lennon in one thousand nine hundred nineteen nineteen twenty when the communist party was first being established here in new york city gave specific orders to party members to exploit the issue of race and of course that was a a sore point a weak point in american society. We did have jim crow We did have the ku klux klan. We did have discrimination but ever since then that has been the point. The weak point that has been exploited to cause strife and division which is how the communists have attained power across the globe. And so if you want to change this country if you want to change it from a republican form of government system of free enterprise and if you believe that socialism or communism is the way to go then you cast doubt on the validity of this government and this economic system. It's always interesting to me that people want to use our sins against us forgetting that effectively speaking. We've repented of those sins in other words. If somebody is still saying. I think slavery is great. I think racism is great. Well then you have a legitimate reason to go after them but here we have a country where hundreds of thousands of white boys died in war to end discourage of slavery. How many other countries did that Where was the slave trade and slavery abolished Other than in this country in other words there there are many countries today where you have slavery. Radical islam still has slavery going on in africa. Enslaving other blacks. It goes on and on and on so it seems disingenuous. It seems to me that the the marxists whether howard zinn or a nicole hannah jones. They really don't seem to care about the truth. They seem wanting to do anything or say anything to put forward a marxist agenda even if they have to base it on lies so yeah there's this refusal to admit that things have changed and a shelby steele who might quote in my book. Debunking sixteen nineteen project talks about. You know what has happened since civil rights movement but you've got to wonder You know there are some people who don't want to take advantage of the progress that has been made of the civil rights laws that have been enacted and of. They want a different kind of governments. And that i think is the motivation and whether or not you are ignorant of history and just refused to listen to another perspective or you are knowingly distorting history. A very clever way. The way howard zinn was you are still not acknowledging what is reality and lying. We're going to be right back folks. I am talking to mary. gray bar. The book debunking the sixteen nineteen project joni now and see how long. Hey folks eric metaxas here. Joe biden and the democrats have laid out the most socialist agenda. Our country has ever seen instead of following president. Trump's blueprint that had the economy booming. The dams are going to raise taxes. Increased regulations and skyrocket and already outrageous national debt. If your retirement is in traditional investments it is in jeopardy. Americans should be diversifying. Their investments with gold and precious gold gives you control over your wealth and protects you from market volatility inflation and a weakening dollar when investing in gold. I turn to legacy precious. 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Burns's nineteen ninety nine nine hundred ninety nine documentary about new york that alexander hamilton one of our founding fathers. He was very active in ending slavery. In his this is over two hundred years ago so again the sixteen nineteen project access though. That never happened exactly and another thing. Is i spend a considerable bowl amount of time on. Thomas jefferson one of the big lies of the sixteen. Nineteen project is that he never intended to abolish slavery. Now thomas jefferson owned hundreds of slaves. He was born into a slave owning family but even for him. That is completely false. He spent his life trying to figure out a way to end slavery peacefully how to how to avoid a civil war he saw that coming and so is completely false to even charge. Thomas jefferson with wanting to continue slavery. That is completely false. It may not be in the way that nicole. Hannah jones in the other riders. What have it which was to start a communist revolution. But he was someone who did want to abolish slavery peacefully. I find it interesting that it is the christian faith and biblical values in many places that made it possible for slavery to be abolished wilberforce. Of course one of the more famous examples but those are the values that that say this is wrong. We have to do something about this even if it means fighting a horrifying war. Communists are atheists and typically they. They don't even have the beginning of a place to suggest that anything is wrong. Much less slavery or racism. Wha where do you think. Somebody like nicole hannah jones. Who's part of the who launched the six thousand nineteen project. Where does she even get her ideas of morality or is it just this this subjective animus. I think it's a lot of you know there's never anything in her twitter feed about say the horrors of slavery in china right now The muslim minority of she doesn't she doesn't mention that as far as i can tell she is. I don't know if she is a christian or not but of the christian fathers even you know a when slavery was taking place there were ethical codes and one of the things. I do. Debunking the sixteen. Nineteen project designed compare You know slavery in africa in these pagans societies. And it's really horrific when you start reading about this so you know it's kind of hard to figure out this person. She seems to be embittered even though she's a very wealthy woman she's become very very wealthy woman a because of the sixteen nineteen project and to go back to her high school days. Something that happened to her in. It's personal but a person like that has no business writing a curriculum for students beginning at kindergarten. And it's being adopted k. Through twelve in schools across the country in being taw. Now what can your average parent your average citizen due to push against this because the idea that schools are adopting it. That's more horrifying than that. She wrote this nonsense right so one of the reasons i think she gets away with it and the new york times which is you know profiting from it. Any southern companies is that people really don't know about a you know the institution of slavery the back that there were black slave owners in this country base seeing as i was taught back in grammar school in high school that it was exclusively white people and slaving blacks and it was something that only happened in the american south. That is not true is so. That's the reason for writing. My book is to set the record straight to give people the information. I have about sixty pages of footnotes. And i've gone up to the journal. Articles to the a best known historians on slavery to black historians. Like john hope franklin and benjamin worlds and Carter woodson so history. Is there. And i think the public needs to be made aware of it so they can push back when the administrators and the crafts are saying. You know you just don't wanna know this history while yeah we do. But we want to know the whole history. Well look. this is really really terrible. What's happening in america right now and i think it's because of ignorance and general white guilt I think liberal whites in particular. They they're more concerned with looking pious or virtuous than with actually doing good There which is obviously selfish. They care more about themselves and being able to preen and swan in certain social circles. Then they care about the poor if you really cared about the poor. You would fight marxism and cultural marxism and this nonsense tooth and nail and those people need to wake up. We're gonna be right back folks talking to mary. Gray bar g. r. a. r. The book is debunking. The sixteen nineteen project not get the latest reporting and analysis on the big stories of the day on the daybreak insider podcast. It's a top notch reporting from pesaro nearest along with his sharpest insight. From hugh hewitt mike gallagher. Dennis prager sebastian gorka and the voices of townhall dot com. The daybreak insider podcast. It's your first luggage. Today's top stories available of apple. Podcast spotify google at at salem podcast network dot com folks talking to mary. Gray bar g. a. Are the book is debunking the sixteen nineteen project exposing the plan to divide america. Mary what led you to write this book. I mean others have written about this but This this obviously is something that has taken a lot of your time. Why did you focus specifically on the six thousand nineteen project. Well it was the latest History fall of lies. I had written the howard zinn book which emerged from my experience as a college instructor for twenty years when i saw the corruption of education and i learned about howard sin and so my book on howard zinn came out in twenty nineteen right around the same time that's sixteen nineteen project came out and actually day apart and i saw the sixteen nineteen project and i started reading it. And after i had written the book on howard's then i thought well can't get much worse but in its own unique way the sixteen nineteen project maybe worse especially because it's being adopted for the elementary school grades so i wanted to expose the lies and you know i am an immigrant to this country. My parents brought me from a communist country. When i was two years old and i see that this kind of propaganda is demoralizing young people causing racial conflict and a inspiring kind of marxist revolution. And i don't want that to happen. So i thought that the truth needed to be told. What communist country did your parents take you from slovenia. when it was part of yugoslavia from yugoslavia. Yes so it seems to me that those people who the people who come from the communist world like my mom and others they know in a unique way. How horrible marxism and communism. Socialism is and they are sounding the alarm for those americans who don't seem to understand how bad it is but of course right now what you're saying is that they will do anything that they will do anything they can do including play on the white guilt that is unique to america and that seems to me what they're doing right now. They're saying that. We have an opportunity here to exploit this and to bring marxism in under the guise of a caring about race. Yes and it's a very old strategy and the people that are promoting this today think that they're being radical and new but it it really isn't i mean it's been employed for over one hundred years and and it will do what it did in my country. I was born ended other countries around the world which is to set rather gas rather literally to to stir up the strife and here in america. we do. Have you know blacks and whites in the different races and this history of discrimination which we have to admit but We seem to have gone beyond that. A shelby steele writes in his book on white guilt. So there must be a reason for these people who are promoting this fake history to want to go back to act as if we're still living in nineteen thirties america right. Well yes and it's just amazing to me that what what marxists do and i know. I've said this many times in the program but it used to be the haves and the have nots would be you know the moneyed class versus the worker. Well of course that never worked out so cultural marxism shifts. It's still does the divide and it says that's divide people and let this group against this group. It's just that the groups are now different. But what is it about marks that says we have to have this division between people and groups. It strikes me as central somehow to marxists strategy. Well it's a good way to obtain power and a you have the class struggle. I mean that's the whole notion behind you know communism in history just of a you know an accounting of these struggles between the classes. And you're gonna have the proletariate Dominating and eventually you'll have this equal division and harmony and heaven on earth and so however they can do that they they will do it and it's being done on a and it's also it's in you'd think about it. It's exploiting white guilt if if white people didn't feel bad about racism and what had happened in the past and didn't want to be called racist this wouldn't have such residents. May one of the worst things to be called in. My opinion is a racist in. So it's it's very exploitative and it's being done to children with the sixteen nineteen project in the classrooms now. If i'm called racist i take it as a compliment because what it actually means today. It means you've won the argument. And now i have to resort to name-calling so if somebody calls you racist take a badge of honor that no you're not a racist they have. They've run out of arguments and they concede but they don't want to concede so they just have to throw a nasty term at you. That's what it is at this point. Let's be honest but you're right. There's something particularly wicked about doing this. To kids and skin colored today matters more than ever. Obviously dr king was trying to move past that so it's a strange thing. It seems like we reached a high water mark in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight and we've begin begun to go backwards since then. Obviously we elected a black president so how racists can the whites in america be It just gets a little crazy. It seems very very circular booker. T. washington i forget the exact words but he said something about a certain group of people that wants their wants to keep this alive wants to keep the idea of oppression alive because it gives them power and because it makes them money and so we have this class that that seeks to do that and the people who are promoting the sixteen thousand nine hundred project just raking it in as far as the money goes. We're going to have to end there. Mary gray bar. Congratulations on the book. Folks it's called debunking the sixteen nineteen project get a copy. See before we go for the day first of all. Mary gray bar is slovenian. And you i'm one hundred percents. Lean one hundred if not more percent. Slovenia like donald trump's wife like donald trump's current wife. Yes malania i believe. Her last name is trump. so listen listen okay We forgot to mention the beginning of the program. The passing of norm macdonald h shock. He was conservative yes. He was a christian And he was one of the most brilliant brave comedians of our time. He said things no one else was willing to say that was part of his comedy and he for example he got thrown off. Snl because he would not stop referring to the fact that oj had killed two people. He wouldn't stop saying that he said it. I think on the view. Actually on the view he got barbara. Walters upset which is always a good goal to have when he referred to clinton bill clinton has a murderer he goes. Yeah he killed the guy that was common knowledge and then he was on comedians. Getting coffee with jerry seinfeld and on that he said that patent oswald is his name. Yes oswald patent. I forget that he that the worst thing about the the bill cosby thing was the hypocrisy and he says i disagree with that. I think the worst thing was the rape And i thought that's funny but it's that dark humor. Yeah but he was also a christian and a friend of victoria jackson. A friend victoria she got on this program Wow i'm just so glad to know who he is and where he is because he was one of those years i think in his honor. We all need to be a little bit more outspoken. For example i'll say something. I've never said before what donald trump was elected twice. Wow the presidency big. Yeah i'm willing to go out on a limb me. Based on what i've seen and say that he was elected twice. And by the way if you don't believe that hey hey stay. Tuned kids of k. Tune yeah i would love to be proven wrong. I'm not kidding. But i don't think i will be. I think i will be proven right because yeah we're talking about what i mean. Mary's talking about liars seemed to say lies. And they don't care what happens. We shouldn't be afraid to tell the truth and not care what happened. Yeah that's right. Yeah yeah so Yeah and by the way. It's not a conspiracy theory. It was a game plan. Well you know. Actually here's the big conspiracy theory. Some people believed this. They believe that The biden was elected by the american people. I want you to think about how crazy that is. Not but they believe it to. So we're going to have the recount in arizona. I think this has to happen. We have to have an accounting. When people tell you to shut up now i move along. It's been decided that's how you know they're scared to death of the truth. And that's why they're behaving out. Senator mastery on. Oh he's still working in pennsylvania. Yeah yes exactly. Okay before we go. Let's announce the the grand prize winners for the food for the poor in case they weren't listening yesterday who got. We got three people. Loretta mcghee from dakota decatur. Alabama janet mayor. Ma from stowe iowa. Sorry ohio okay. Let's get the right. Janet and tim sullivan from saginaw texas. Those three folks. You're gonna get. I think like some kind. A dump truck loaded with swag is gonna come to your house. It's gonna crush you if you're in the front yard so hide inside the house. Eric spoon not come out the looks you're signed There's gonna be some some other kind swag paraphernalia. Who knows what you're gonna get. How just if you've got a front yard t-shirt out of that area because the the amount of stuff you're gonna get now if you want to order this stuff you can go to shop metaxas. That's at a website metaxas. Talk dot com. You can go to my store dot com. You can order a lot of this stuff. You wanna use the code eric. But if you've won you don't need to do a thing. Just power in fear because that dump truck. Oh she's a coming and thanks for listening
Conspiracies 101 With Professor Scott
"The aluminum body. It's snowing wait. No it's raining it's a tornado. Wait they've put poison in my beer. You're listening to our different. Take episode twenty two. They're looking toward imitate when he was brian. Read father to us boys. Jed ipod caster. This is the way into my left. Is matt a welcome at thanks brian. I'm excited for yet. Another dive into the unknown. I think this is going to be an interesting one for sure. Lots of material to cover this evening and to my left is scott. Welcome scott thank you matt. I am still the lone representative from the republic soon to be republic of texas. Here we are getting a vote on that next year so i am interested in conspiracy theories paranormal spiritual and most other things that people think are weird tonight. I'm excited to be able to talk about conspiracy theories so looking forward to tonight's podcast is a lot of good stuff in well okay. There's a lot of stuff in there. You decide whether it's good stuff. Or but i'm excited about nice podcast. It's all going to be good stuff. It's all good stuff. We don't put anything that's not good point yeah they just a quick reminder for everyone before we get started that at the entrance podcast. We have a couple of new segments. We have a segment where we're going to promote a fellow podcast. A one per week they're sending promos and will throw them up at the end And also if you think you've heard it all don't stop listening because there's some surprises at the end of each podcast. Also what we'd like to do is caller voicemail highline and that's pretty important to us because it it connects us with you as the listener will. Also you know if you don't mind. We put your voicemail on the air but caller voicemail hotline at nine seven zero three four three four five nine four and let us know what you're thinking. We really really want to know that. And with that being said i'm on hand the reins over to scott wail. Thank you thank you tonight. Tonight is something that's near and dear to my heart it's conspiracy theories but rather than talking about a specific conspiracy theory. I wanted to address. What so often happens. When i start talking about any conspiracy theory people basically come at me with all the reasons why conspiracy theories could never happened before i start with any of that. I'm gonna. I'm gonna assume but i wanna verify that y'all brian matt don't believe in at least a few conspiracy theories you actually like. Don't think that they're possible that she think that they're probable a i think if there's more than one person i think it's all y'all not just y'all but i'm just saying i think there's a plural their unions and yeah i do believe in some conspiracy theories and we're going to clearly it has to make sense to you and you have to kind of put the pieces together yourself but i do believe in some conspiracy theories. Yes yeah i agree. I want to believe in more for sure. So but i do believe so. I'm just curious To each of you what conspiracy theory kind of. What was your first one that that said. I think that there's something going on here. That where you kind of left the mainstream. Maybe for the first time. What would what was that. That events that theory that took you down this path of believing that there may be as more. I guess it depends on what you would think his mainstream. I think the first ones that i was interested in. Of course we're probably. Ufo's in aliens me too growing up. You know you're always looking to the sky. And i guess i don't remember a whole lot about aliens. Ufo's but as you get older you start hearing about it and then It's just something that just fascinates me. I think that's what i got me into it. You know i. I had some experiences as a young person. The kind of clued me in on a lot of things maybe next realm other I had some some experiences with as a young man with what i believed to be. Ingles and i have some experiences with demons and things like that and so from a relatively young age. Maybe early teens. I didn't everybody kind of lost a lot of credibility to my mind first of all. I know for sure that there's a spiritual world. I believe that with all my heart and second of all marijuana will not make you a criminal and now i know that the government lies to me. So they've lost audibility over forty years or salted. they've been conducting the drug war. And so it makes you question a lot of other things and start digging in so really I guess that's how i kind of came to doubt The status quo in what was being fat into question everything. I think it's good question. I think that's designed were intuitive creatures. And if you just follow what the powers in charge feed. You probably not gonna you might make you buy. But i think there's a whole other world you'll miss interesting so i kind of grew up with it myself. I know i used to after. I went to elementary school for the day. I would walk a mile over to some friend's house. They were older and they were always talking to me about conspiracy theories they didn't call him that back then they were just basically saying what the government's saying you know when your nine year old kid you just okay. Sure whatever and They introduced me to Nikola tesla personally in all the writings and beliefs of nikola tesla. The discoveries of him. They they used to talk to all sorts of things numerology and angels and demons and biblical prophecies and different things that that kind of made me just aware of different different set of beliefs. That was outside of the mainstream. And then my mom. I think i've mentioned this before. Was was very into into in in the way that she was like practicing but she was very interested in things like extrasensory perception and Just just different Home alternative things. Some people might call him paranormal or or even the even a colt. I don't well. I certainly don't think she was a cultic. I think that maybe some of the things that she was interested in might be considered a cultic by certain members of public and so it was always interested in things like that particularly when i saw them work in a like when she would think thoughts to me and i would hear those thoughts that intrigued me and made me realize that the world is broader than than our five senses and so he was always very interesting to me. But like y'all i think with everybody with conspiracy theory there's usually some defining moment where we realize that we've been lied to. And when you see that you've been lied to by an institution whore somebody who should be trustworthy. It just kinda makes you wonder If they lied to me about this what else what else was alive. What else could be alive and it just of open opens you up to different opportunities of discovery where you can kind of look at things in a different way. Maybe outside of the way that Everybody else tends to look at it as always interested in kind of where y'all got started with that to me. I don't really think of angels demons and aliens has conspiracy theory. Maybe maybe i should. Since i was kinda raised on that kind of stuff. That always was kind of second nature to me to me was nine eleven. Oh yeah for sure. When i i initially bought into all of the stuff that the government said on nine eleven and Had some muslim friends. And i was like why. Why would muslims do this to us. And they're like we didn't come on. What do you mean. You didn't so obvious that you did. And why would we do this. What's in it for us. I don't like so. I started looking at some of the things that That were out there to some people in the internet land. That were saying okay. Well here's reasons why you know. This was an inside job. And at first i was just so skeptical of another. There's no way. But whatever. I got to keep an open mind so i'm gonna watch this stuff just so i could say it's stupid and when i started watching those kinda like wait a minute. Some of this makes sense. And so i started digging into more and more of an. I must've by the time i was done with. I must have put one hundred hundred and fifty hours of watching different videos reading different articles Just checking out things that seemed like anomalies and inconsistencies. And i was like wow mind blown. We have been lied to on a massive scale with this and went on like if they can if they can live out something. This big sky's the limit. They could live about anything interesting. And i was like And so to me. That was kind of my. My moment of awakening was nine eleven curious. Why y'all believe brian. I heard you nodding your head on nine eleven. Matt he thinks is that a conspiracy theory buy into that. The government was involved at least at least the story. We're told one through. I have a hard time believing that the government was involved in a huge way. I'm sure the relies told there was a book. I read about Forget the name. There's a a think tank in d. c. in the gentleman that wrote the book abs actually looking for while you were talking details During the cold war the rise of the freedom fighters in afghanistan against russia and of course The enemy of your enemy is your friend. So we sent to charlie wilson in there with a bunch of money and essentially recruited for a holy war Muslims from all over the middle east to fight the russians and we sit in cia Spooks to train them. We give them Anti-tank missiles we give weapons and and things like that taught him how to make improvised explosive devices and all these things and it catalogs are creation essentially of the taliban. Because what we did was we paid for all those angry young men to go to afghanistan and then as soon as we had bankrupted of the soviet regime we stranded them there. We had all their identifying documents and papers and we had got them their With agreements spy countries like iran. They wouldn't have to take them back. and essentially we created the taliban when we stranded all those men in afghanistan and left them there in poverty. And then you have the rise of the warlords and then you had Osama bin laden truly Hates the west is of was there a religious fundament- fundamental extremists. I think that's a pretty good Recipe for blowing up a couple of buildings When i was in a school Learning about aircraft mechanics. I went to school. The bunch of saudis. They would send them over especially people that didn't have like a you know their name wasn't quite as high on the list of as other people in saudi arabia. Some of the lower families would send their sons to america to learn how to work on airplanes and some who would go to pilot school to learn fly and and it it it is not in my experience Beyond of possibility that you could take down a large building in that way now a lot. I've seen the videos where people have have shown how you could blow up buildings using a third mike and things like that on the beams but the other thing that sticks in my mind when the towers fell was years before when there was a fire at the mgm grand the steel beams in the gm grand collapsed due to heat from fire. That was burning there without any jet fuel and half of that building came down till the bunch of people before they rebuilt it. So i don't know. I don't feel like Nine eleven was huge conspiracy. The in that way. I'm sure there were lies. told But i think we kind of made the taliban what they were and we kind of what we saw it in that one should have completely destroyed them and wipe them from face of the earth a long time. Well and that's one of the one of the things we want to get to a little bit later on. Conspiracy theories are defacto unprovable except through circumstantial and anecdotal evidence. So it's reasonable for people to disagree on conspiracy theories because really. There's no way other than other than circumstantial evidence to be able to say. This is what happened. And i can say that within a reasonable reasonable feeling that i believe this because x y and z all matchup for me and so people either haven't seen x. y. z. Or they they don't necessarily believe x y and z the same way and so you can have reasonable thinking individuals that can listen to conspiracy theory and say no. I don't think so on this one. So it's it's reasonable for people to disagree on them. But i do think that there are a well. There are a lot of conspiracies and pulling them off are not as unlikely as it would seem even on a grand scale android. So i don't wanna miss really go into any particular nine eleven there. There have lots podcast. Lot's a youtube videos. Lots of things out there on the internet about about each and every one of these so my idea tonight isn't so much to talk about individual ones as to say why i believe that they're possible and what it would take conspiracy theory to be able to be pulled off actually got on facebook page while back and asked people. Why do you think conspiracy. Theories are not real before even listening to the conspiracy theory. Here's a lot of people as soon as you say it's conspiracy theory they'll just say downside comparatively so they'll just dismiss it offhand. So why do you think that's the case. And basically here's the reasons why people don't believe in conspiracy theories i won it goes against your established beliefs. So y'all talked about aliens earlier tonight. You know that was your kind of your first thing with conspiracy theories a lot of people think aliens don't exist so he started talking about aliens then automatically those people who think that they don't exist are going to be like. Yeah whatever. i don't agree. It doesn't fit the paradigm that that i have grown up with or that i believe so. They're going to dismiss whatever you're saying even if you've got proof or you know reasonable proof if you've got strong circumstantial evidence than when we look at. Do you think aliens like aliens now. I think almost is. You can see a transition from a conspiracy to non conspiracies. Yeah i think. I think that too. That's kind of what. I was alluding to in the last podcast with monoliths. Kind of feel like we're being led in that direction like i think it does it. Does it does to me. The monoliths worked so much a sign of aliens but they were assigned of people leading us to believe in aliens. It's almost like people saying look. Here's just another thing that you need to think about you. we may be being communicated with. There's no doubt in my mind that the other beings have been here before. Not a doubt either on me. I think we disagree in the application of that unit but i. I don't disagree that that there have been other beings here either. I tend to think that the evidence is overwhelming. There have been but that's one of the one of the things people will site as to why they don't believe in conspiracy theories it just goes against her status police or or maybe one of these stamps beliefs is government is on my side. Government is for my benefit of the people by the people for the papal. Right right what we say so. That's horrible it's horrible. You wanted to actually think that now right right but it's amazing. How many people believe that because it was taught high school civics class. This is how government works you know declaration independent people by people for people so we're taught the ideals of how our government should be but not the reality we're never taught about the shadow government civics class right. We're talking about how we elect people to certain positions But really the constitution didn't authorize the nsa or the cia or all the alphabet agencies. Right government did that over time. Typically you know from about nineteen forty five on and the cigarette world war two it. Just it's been a slippery slope. Just a a steady progression in so wait. We've taken these alphabet agencies and we have empowered them basically with With the force of law and those people are not elected they a lot of them will serve from administration to administration. Some of them get fired. Course you know the top dogs in those companies are in those agencies will to the victor go the spoils and they'll put a new head of the fda or a new head of the cia or whatever it is but a lot of state consistent from administration to administration and even if even if they don't From you know when when democrats and one of republicans in that guy will go out but the win. The next democrat comes back young. Then they'll bring him back again right. You see that kind of stuff. Allot the heads of agencies will go back and forth between the republican head or the democrat head and So a lot of those agencies are really unelected and they kinda form a shadow government of people who have power but really. You can't do anything to get rid of them So again a lot of people also believe people are generally good. People are generally honest. And if you believe that people are generally good people are generally honest you may be inclined to not believe in conspiracy theories because conspiracy. Theories rely on the seat. They rely on a system that doesn't fully report a system that that hides information that's not convenient to it and so if you believe that the system we live in is generally honest. That people are generally honest. Then you may be inclined to dismiss conspiracy theories off the bat. I don't care what the theory is approved. You got yeah. I think people are good. People wouldn't lie wonder. How many people mean. Sometimes i tend to make that generalization about people right think oh there they wouldn't lie generally good and sometimes that bites me in the by all people lie but i do think there's a line so i think You know not everybody murders right. There's a line. So i think i think people are generally good up to a point when the chips are down. They'll try and save their neck for the most part but some people will surprise you. I tend to believe that all people are generally motivated by self interest and self interest is not necessarily bad thing. If you think you're going to get in trouble for lying then generally you'll tell the truth if you think you're going to get in trouble for murdering than generally you will murder self interest is very powerful but it doesn't make you good it just means that you're gonna look out for yourself. And so if self-interest says you're not gonna get in trouble for this and by the way you might be nice bribe for better yourself financially for doing it. Then i think people do it. There was a poll back in pouches. Like the ninety s early nineties. It's kind of a scary poll. But they they went out and the and went to college students and said to male college students and said if you knew without a shadow of a doubt that you would not be caught would you rape a woman and like one in three admitted said yes. If you knew you would not be caught if you knew you would not be punished. One in three said yes. And it's it's a crazy statistic but it to me goes back to the self interest if people think like get away with it can get away with. How do this thing that i know is wrong but would make me feel good. The there's there's a different side to it too and i gotta say When i went to high school. I knew a lot of people that cheated on exams and and things like that. I don't remember ever cheating. And i got horrible high school. It would have been a lot easier to cheat. I just didn't maybe. I'm too competitive but i it just wasn't i just never cheated ever and i think a lot of people did and those people went on to cheat their way through college in probably cheat their way through their jobs now are very successful. I don't know if that's the norm. But it left a bad taste in my mouth and maybe that's self serving too. I didn't cheat. Because i didn't like to think that i didn't win. Correctly but validity to that self interest can widely vary from person to person. Just because you're your own set of what makes you feel good. Maybe quite different than what makes somebody else feel good thus why why. Sixty seven percent of the people said no. I won't rape somebody because they they don't get miskel. Make them feel good. Because you know emotionally there'd be like this is a wrong thing. I live with myself after this so wrong. Frequently that many people in this area it really does go crazy thing. But that's my core. Belief is that people are motivated by self interest so with that in mind to me who conspiracy theories. they're not a far stretch at all. Because i think it doesn't take much to to get somebody to act in their own self interest in set aside. You know maybe morals or ideals because somebody offers them money or in some cases maybe somebody offers them I'm not gonna kill your family if you do x y and z so powerful motivator itself interest. You you know. A lot of people would do almost anything if it was if that was the case. And and and people in power. Speaking of conspiracies right the epstein epstein hanging himself in his prison cell like that's pretty far-fetched. Somebody did him in. And somebody got rid of the tapes and somebody accidentally made the cameras. Malfunctioned them on an goes. Like if you have that kind of power you can do anything anybody and probably get them to do anything you want. It really legitimately if you take somebody six year old daughter and you say man. Shame if anything happened to your kids you're gonna work man. Is that considered a conspiracy. While everyone on the planet knows really what happened. You know if they get away with it and there's no other northern good leads. yeah. I suspect What's what's his. What was his handlers name. What's her name. keep he he. He's alive when you're talking about something kiki lane maxwell ten right. I think they've gone to great lengths to try and keep her alive. But i don't know how long that'll last lasted longer. Than i thought was still alive. They really went to the extreme to keep her isolated from everybody. I don't think actually her whereabouts is known right now is or maybe. It's a new york still but they're not. They're not saying which prison she's at. She's in her own like isolated area. Something like that but it will if they really want to get to her up my mind that they could get epstein like that. I probably wouldn't be. We'll be long been Agree i either. She's not gonna talk or yes she's probably going to end up sleeping with the fishes strangle herself. Yes i'm sure. I'm sure that's how it will be built. Yes we found her with her hands around her own. So it's another reason why people don't believe in conspiracy theories they don't wanna. They don't want to appear crazies and get how many people you talk to tell the story about xyz to or maybe don't even tell the story to because you don't want to sound crazy a lot of times. I have found when i talked to people about paranormal stuff. That's after i've been talking to them for a considerable period of time and they realize hey. This guy believes in this stuff. I can talk to him right. They'll tell me stories that they would never tell other people and so when i talk to people about paranormal stuff. A lot of people have told me the. I've seen i've seen ghosts. I've talked to the dead. I have seen things happen. That are not of this world and and so you know but they're very cautious to share that kind of stuff they don't want to sound crazy. And so you know conspiracy theories one of those things. I don't wanna talk about it. Because the powers that be have done a very good job of making conspiracy theory a pejorative. If you believe in conspiracy theories you're automatically crazy you're wearing tin foil hat around and and you know you thinking that you know hayley and you're gonna come nab you whatever that's true very true. I find that a with especially with this podcast with me trying to promote it. I talked to a ton of people about it and they always ask you know well. What's that about because the name of our podcast automatically tell you you know without seeing our our logo. It doesn't really tell you what our podcast about. But once i explained it to him most of them open up. They're like oh yeah. I love that type of stuff. It's something have you is. This happened to me. Yeah i've never. I haven't had one person yet so far. Say that's freaking nuts but but then again you know maybe a lot of people. I'm talking to are in that realm already other than a few people from where making making fun of me before the just that's true an everyday thing right there. Yeah you know to some degree birds of a feather flock together but Yeah i think again. Once people realized that you're not going to go out there and label them then a lot of people will come out and admit. I have some questions but they don't want to necessarily take that first step if they're not sure that you're safe and so i think a lot of people. If you really get down to it are conspiracy. Theorists is on a minute. Yeah maybe so third reason. A lot of a lot of people will tend to say. I'm not going to believe in conspiracy. Theories is because we have an implied trust in the institutions of the quote. free media. Trust is gone a long time. But i don't think it is. I think that especially this year. I've seen more and more and more people have said. Oh come on. The media is so freaking biased. It's crazy but even even with that. How many people will still turn on. Cnn and listened to it and and and say oh my god. These guys are telling the truth. I need to you know wa- blah the more you listen though the more you buy into it. So it's like a narrative that never ends right and the more you expose yourself to it. It's the same way they they they work at in you know Reeducate over and over and over again and eventually people start you know ten years ago if you would've talked to somebody and said Is the media in iran or the soviet not soviet union in russia or china is that media believable. Almost everybody here would said no. But then we ask him. Is armenia believable. Well it's free. Yeah it's it's it's a it's public gets its or private. I mean Yeah yeah it's generally you know there's some things of biased about it but generally it's true. I think you see less of that this year because a lot of the stuff that's happened with the censorship and and the the fact checking that just seems so blade has exposed a lot of it which i think has caused a lot of people to become conspiracy theories just it that's been the defining moment for them. You know like nine eleven was for me. I think this year has been the defining moment for a lot of people make many conspiracy theories but in case. You're curious. I just found the book i was talking about earlier. It's called america's secret war by george. Friedman probably one of the best books about afghanistan. But i have read today. If you guys are interested in. I actually believe that a lot of that. This is my little rabbit trail. I gotta go on. I believe that a lot of that could very. Well be true and still have nine eleven. Be a massive conspiracy theory. Because you've got to make the story a believable sellable story so there were certainly motivation for a lot of people to turn against us. And so if there wasn't nobody would believe the story. My you know my mom always used to tell me the devil masquerades as an angel of light. He's not gonna come. T tell you one hundred percent falsehood. He's gonna come up. Tell you ninety to ninety five percent. Truth that does sound like george bush when i said that ten thousand points alight. He's gonna tell you ninety to ninety five percent truth job. I probably wasn't we let me take what it is is ninety ninety five percents to trust but verify clinton. I don't know if i could really do that one very well. I got to work on the rich little anyway. So that's the first rich little reference i've ever heard on a podcast ever wow. I'm pretty sure i was way before. Podcasts dead is he did not. I heard him on What was the guy used to be. Governor huckabee arkansas governor huckabee. Oh the has a podcast already show of his own and he had rich little on their recently. So yeah he's he's still alive and and still doing impersonations. Wow good for him. Yeah yeah rich little if you listen to our podcast and i'm sorry not nation on their on air. That's another reason why people believe the conspiracy theories not true is you know. They say we'll whistle blowers would have blown their cover so no way especially on something like the size of nine eleven way too many people involved and there's no way they could pull that thing off you know the whistle blowers would would come forward and and blowing their cover. And so you know. It's just too hard. You know what. I heard a lot of people say. Well autumn's razor razor if you're not familiar with the raiders. Basically the easiest answer is most often the true answer. And so they say we'll the easiest answer. Innocuous razors exactly what the government told us guys with box cutters and whatever and didn't actually tell us that though the air traffic controllers told us that and the flight recorders told us that and the telephone calls from people to their loved. Ones told us that wasn't necessarily the government. The i'm orchestrated. And then that was just corroborating evidence. So okay well. I'll go a little bit down that path here so the telephone calls from the loved ones back in two thousand and one. I don't know if he ever tried to use your cell phone on a plane but you couldn't in two thousand and one unless you're at very low levels and then you cut because the cellphone towers wouldn't reach high enough because line of sight right but but if you're at a low level you could Bounce from tower to tower in an airplane. I only say that. Because i've done a smaller plane assessment before when you're up at thirty thousand yeah i did try it in two thousand and two just because i was curious and it didn't. It didn't work for me. Maybe i just using a crappy carrier but the other thing. That was interesting to me. Is somehow these. These loved ones Telephone calls were recorded. you know. Because that's what i always do when i get a phone call from my wife Is oh my god. I think i need to record this conversation. And how many of them were recorded right and you know there were several actually knowledgeable right because that's a normal thing to do right anyway. Yeah it's stuff like that that you know the economy. Look into and go So anyway the whistle blowers would blown their cover will okay. There's a whole lot of things reasons why i think that that's not necessarily thing. But i won't go into that. That's i'm not trying to debunk that right now. I'm just saying that's one of the reasons why people think that You know the the they couldn't be true or is people don't know who to trust anymore. So they trust the experts right the answer. This trust the experts experts. Say how many times do you hear that on the news. Now experts say right and they start spewing something that you go. What experts does that make any sense. But it's it's out there and some experts said it so it's like wait a minute. Why shouldn't i believe him because experts. I don't want stupid. i wanna be the guy. That's like not an expert. Same the experts wrong. That's why sometime people would call them out and be like all right. If you're if you're saying something that the experts say this like who you exactly quoting or where is it coming from. Don't just say expert and then move on because they couldn't answer that right back. When i was in my last profession There were actual. There were books on articles on how to become a trusted expert. How to be cited by the news has an expert. And how do you do that. There were things. They were designations. That you could obtain there were There were quote unquote books. You could write. They were already written for you. But you could label yourself as a published author that way There were lots of things that you could do that. They really did nothing to qualify you as an actual expert it was. It was bogus but the point was how easy it was to become an expert. You didn't have to be an expert but you could be called one by the news and it would give you instant credibility because well expert anybody could expert and so you know the news like brian just said he newson tell you what qualifies them expert. They just say well. It's an expert so anyway Is ready. Popcorn is ready. Concerted loud being too. Yeah microwave is done. So another thing that people. They don't know how to verify a research by themselves. Other than googling something so they just trust those who do for living or you know like i said earlier. Conspiracy theories are defacto unprovable except through circumstantial and anecdotal evidence. So because they're unprovable people can say hey. None of this stuff makes any sense to me. What you're saying makes no sense. However i can't really prove it right or wrong. So why would i go against the story. That is being fed to me by you. Know official sources experts so. They don't wanna they don't question it because they don't wanna look like the guy who's you know the guy is doubting everything and they don't want to be called a conspiracy theorist in hawaii one. I think that going back to your verify in research. I think that a lot of people are lazy. Nowadays they expect everything to be given to them and especially social media on social media. They're not gonna go do research and figure out for themselves and use critical thinking on whether things are true or not right now at is is plain old laziness even if it's even if it is even if it isn't laziness where do you go anymore. We we've now been shown. Google does ninety two percent of all search on the internet. They control ninety two percent of all search. It's it's more than a monopoly right right so if you're going in and we've been shown clearly the ghoul manipulates their search that they censor that they have turned things that should be number one number two or number three on the list. They put them down a number thirty. Your number forty buried them or they. They label them with facts checks. Now this is this is not true. The say it right in the search results kind of stuff. So if you're trying to do your research where you go. Well i'm going to the encyclopedias. My mom bought in nineteen seventy six. That she still step aside of those. That's where i'm going. Dr might not funny side note. I recently went out I was a psychology major in nine college and i recently went out and bought a circa one thousand nine hundred eighty six General psych textbook. Because they're changing it. A lot of the stuff that was taught as truth back in the eighties and nineties is no longer taught and so i wanted to buy one of the old textbooks just to have it. Just refer to because yeah you look a lot of this stuff up now and and just stop there anyway. I was listening to a podcast the other day on my on my trip to missouri masculinity is now been labelled as a potential mental illness by the aba seriously masculinity. Didn't believe it. I looked it up and sure enough right on the ap as website. There's an article about how masculinity can be damaging and and white supremacist. And all kinds of stuff. This might be my last podcasts. Or pregnant throw me in the middle institution. Then just letting you know. You are the essence of masculine glint very brian. You're not that okay. Pass it'd be like knocking. Four straight straight jagged time for you brother straight jacket no pun intended Okay so the mass media provides a certain degree of instant credibility lengthy exposure repetition enhances that credibility. So you see this right now as well where Again when i was in marketing for my prior career. That was one of the things that they said. Is you just got to say something to somebody over and over and over again and once you've said it i think like twenty one times people believe whether it's true or not so if you're on constantly going out there saying that you are the best while people will just after a while hearing they'll just believe that you're the best had they don't need proof some people do need proof but a lot of people don't and the longer that you say something more you repeated the more become strewn. We saw that again. I think this The trump thing with the russia thing which eventually was proven false was set off in enough. Still about half of america to this day believes that There was russian influence on trump in certain ways and right it just became the narrative just driven. And if you look at the sound bites that all news outlets had identical all the time they're just kept saying don't so it was true you know and that's how i think a lot of this stuff could be done even now you know or i saw it on the internet so it must be true. You know it's partly because the internet feels like a publication so it feels like since i. I saw some meam on facebook and in it was ascribed to george washington or somebody. You know gandhi somebody who who is respected and trusted. I don just boston's not even respect interested anymore. But you know whoever it is and so all of a sudden now It's true even if that person didn't say it. It was described to him. So you know okay sits anymore. Photoshop altered images videos. They can be very freaking convincing. People have gotten very good with this stuff. What do they call. There's something fakes there with the calm. Now where they can actually make it. Look like you say or do things and it's awesome. Yeah yeah. I know what you're talking about. I know what you're talking about. But i don't remember what it's called either but where it actually looks like and sounds like you. Yes because they've got the software that can alter your your voice profile. You can say whatever you want to say and as long as you have enough words from somebody else ill alternate make you sound like they're saying it's it's pretty pretty incredible stuff. All they need now is to be able to clone someone upload whatever they want they can probably already do interesting scary. Thought we think about it so anyway. Some of the ways conspiracies. I believe are carried out is and we talk about repetition of times. It becomes truth a disinformation. We talked about this episode. Fourteen on the ufo's think a lot of people a lot of institutions a lot of people who are trying to push these narratives will put out disinformation. Because you know like well if you're conspiracy theory you believe in okay. I don't want to be disrespectful to anybody. Flatter okay. a lot of most of us don't believe in the flat earth conspiracy right. There are some that do and those people have their reasons for why they do. But i think i think there's ample evidence and i've been in their planes right. I don't believe that the earth is flat right. But you put out enough disinformation stuff like that will if you believe conspiracy theories flatter or whatever and so you lump it all together so well if you believe in the illuminate you believe in chemtrails or weather manipulation nine eleven well you probably also believe in flatter sam lizard people right you believe. In the reptilians obama was lizard person. So you know he's throat. Disinformation like that And after a while there's so much information out there that's not true who knows who knows what's true who knows what's not reputable sources. Pick up on the disinformation from time to time and so even the reputable sources will publish things that are flat out wrong. And and so you can. You can carry conspiracies out because how you gonna to prove that they're not happening. How do you. How do you prove any of this stuff. Unless you're actually there and you see with your own lot is and even then something like gas lighting can happen right. I saw this with my own eyes. Did you really. But that's one of the nine eleven things got me. Is you hear if you listen. To the original recordings you'll hear people that said The first plane flew in to the twin towers as several people said. It looked like a small twin engine. Aircraft remember that a small twin engine aircraft cannot be confused with a seven forty seven not the same thirty seven thirty seven so they said i think it was. Okay thirty seven. Some forty seven okay. Even even seven thirty seven. You're not going to confuse the two thirty. Seven is large aircraft. And unless well you're just not gonna do it so all of a sudden these people were like no no. What you really saw was this look. Here's the video. And i'm like oh okay. Yeah i must have been what i saw and so they don't want they don't want to sound stupid while you got video evidence right here. But what if. The video evidence was doctored. Let's not go into that right now. This that's one of the things that they that they do another thing. Is you heard all kinds of firefighters. First responders were like. I heard explosions. Boom boom boom boom boom boom boom. Even peter jennings if you look at some of the Original footage was like he's like a controlled demolition. And which is exactly. What the first responder saying bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-ba will and then think fell okay but later on like now. That's not what happened. It was the pancake therion blah blah blah. And that's what you know. You didn't really see what you thought you saw. You didn't really hear what you thought you heard. And so the gas lighting and again whether or not. That's the case. i believe. It's the case on nine eleven. I'm not here to to try to convince anybody of that On that is just one of the things that they can use is trying to tell people. You didn't really see what you thought you saw. And here's some some fairly convincing reasons why you didn't see it or another way that they're carried out censorship code conspiracy You know we're not saying it is a covert itself as But a lot of people think that the covid data the severity of covid has been blown out of proportion and So what do they do. You know what people are saying. Well we have a cure for it as it will censor that center. That fact checkers like no there is no cure. There's no nothing proven even if you got hundred doctors out there saying hey hundred percent. People being geared nobody will even be allowed to hear them and they'll be dismissed as crazy doctors and if a lot of fired and stuff like that so censorship we're going to. What was that thing planned that they put up everytime he put it up. Somebody would pull the thing down right. He's like you know we're not even allowed to see this. This is something that's so egregious that we're going to just yank it down. And so the fact that they were hanging down was telling some people on my god. I really don't want to be associated with this. This is agreed. gis. I'm really gonna look like an extremist. So people would not share it and other people were sharing it and then being labeled extremists for whatever reason why they had gentleman they didn't but the censorship was one of the ways. I believe that there. Are these conspiracies out. Silence the whistle blowers again was part of what they did with these doctors. If these doctors say hey this cova thing is not like they say it is. We have cure. We don't need a vaccine answer like no you're fired. There was at one doctor that was actually in the wu. Han wherever wherever it started right. Okay she was over there and she was on. I don't remember what tv station. I saw her on. She's she said specifically this was she was she saw it and it was a made a virus and the next hd fired. I don't doubt that. actually. I don't think that i agree but now i read today that the world health organization is going in to do an investigation. After months of debate with the china and of course they're gonna find nothing. They're just going to say it happened in the market and the world health organization's but in the pocket of the chinese forever like hillary clinton going in to check on epstein. And how that happened. Yeah right right. Listen to us bringing up more conspiracy theories here another thing that That they can. Do you know the the whistle blowers on a number of different ways. You have heard people say a i. I signed a nondisclosure agreement. And they said to me that. If i were to blow the whistle on whatever conspiracy theory that says i signed this indie a they would hold me up as violating national security and they would throw me in prison for life and so i'm like go to prison for life so i'll do shut up or that they would threaten their family or that they would get fired or sometimes like we heard back in the The f. support team where the guy who's trying to blow the whistle on the ufo program will the institutionalized him and then they suicide at him. Right right i actually have. Gosh how do i put this. This is sensitive. I have knowledge of of people that have worked for the government in sensitive areas disappearing. People and these folks were at the beck and call of the government and jobs that had to be done. They were called to do and It'd be a shame if your high school daughter disappeared. We'd really like you to get this job done and and the job gets done like it's a right thing. I absolutely believe that. And i think that The people who don't believe it simply want to. They want to believe that their government is on their side and basically good. You know again. They just they they wanna they wanna go there and so well i. I won't believe this. Because the whistle blowers would come out. Well there's lots of reasons. Why the whistle blowers do come out and then nobody listens to them because they're labeled as crazy labor laws fringe like these doctors on covid and elsewhere There was a guy nine eleven who worked for brigham young university who said hey somebody got me some ashes from One of the twin towers and i analyzed under a microscope. And be damned. If there wasn't termite in there and guess what happened him rhythm young is like yeah. You're fired and he's like why am i fired. This is what i found. I was just reporting when i found your fire away. So lots of ways that they can that they can silence the whistle blowers but that's one of the ways removed evidence quickly oklahoma city bombing. If you remember that within forty eight hours. Oklahoma city was cleaned up and cleaned out. I didn't remember that. It's been so long night. I didn't recall that that's interesting. That was say nine eleven was my with my defining moment. I oklahoma city. If you actually look at it probably by defining moment used to listen to a guy named john leffler it program ill on steel. And he brought some people on his program back then. explosives experts that said Yeah there's no way that the kind of explosion that happened in oklahoma city happened from a fertilizer bomb. They gave all kinds of reasons. Why and and you know. I'm not an expert on that kind of stuff but it sounded convincing to me with the way that they were talking about. You know that kind of explosion would cause an outward thrust rather than a a sucking inward you know whatever and they said these were directional explosives. And you know if they were the kind that they were talking about that. Would've it would've blown you know different ways. Whatever and so what happens instead of a typical investigation. The whole thing was imploded. Within forty eight hours in the evidence was removed. Same thing with nine eleven same thing with nine eleven instead of going in there and doing an investigation on the stuff but close this thing up and get it out of there as soon as possible on by the way we're gonna take the the the beams and we're gonna send the to china and we are going to recycle them rather than to to To to look out for evidence of the largest terrorism event that ever happened on american soil. Right let's get him outta here. We're gonna recycle really quick and you know there's some of the mass shootings that have happened. You know the cell phone video has been seized a erased. People told to erase their videos on their phone immediately. He really never heard of that. After i believe the shooting in pass oh happened. There were numerous people that came out and said this to the authorities came to him and say this that either. Take the cell phone. They would require to be deleted right there and show it to him a same thing. Las vegas you had people saying that so again. Maybe all these people are lying. Maybe they're not but remove the evidence quickly nine eleven There were a number of cici. Tv cameras near the pentagon and immediately after that thing hit how they were all seized authorities came in there took them and we never got to see the footage of the supposed airplane that hit the pentagon even though people in the pentagon said people who would know people who work with that kind of stuff so yes smelled like It smelled cordite. Which is explosive. You know you'll you'll find in In missiles smell like cordite okay. Well coordinate doesn't come from jet fuel than smell saying you know So you got all. These evidence would have been so easy to show us from different angles from years with the exxon station across the street. Here's what the you know blah blah blah. Here's what the different cameras. But they didn't there. Were no still frame videos of an airplane hitting the pentagon strange right. Remove the evidence quickly. Hand that that's one of the ways. I think conspiracy or carried out black ops black budgets you got to fund this stuff so let's Let's appropriate of a very large amounts of the defense department. And who's going to oppose that because you y'all got relatives that are in the military and who doesn't want your country to be safe so it gets six hundred sixty five billion or whatever. It is going to the pentagon okay. What what's a billion dollars here to go to some secret program always gonna miss. It was getting to know about it yet. Six hundred sixty five billion dollars. What's a billion dollars of that and so it goes to some black budget. Some some black ops programs. Top secret thing appropriated some private company You know skunkworks or whatever. It is where they do whatever that they do and nobody does anything about it except for the people who work there and a lot of those people are compartmentalized another way. That conspiracy carried out. I think that was detail very well in one of jason bourne movies. I think four where they were doing the one on the virus and they detail beautifully. How people who were working for the program only knew their little part of what they were working for and so they're like you know. Hey i just build this widget. I don't know what the wages for. I don't know what the purpose of this program is for. I just know. I was hired. I build this particular part of it. Somebody else's symbols it and he doesn't know what the assemblies for he. Just put it together and so you may have ten thousand people working for a project and only fifty of them are twenty five. Actually know the whole of what's going on and so when you say you get ten thousand people and ten thousand people can't keep secret that true but twenty can if you threaten Right now you. You threaten those twenty people with Nondisclosure agreements job loss institutionalization Harm to their family. Yeah twenty people can keep that kind of a secret in you know like last week. We're talking about I'm a shed. Guy comes out when he's eighty seventy doesn't care any more right and you hear that from time to time to these people will give shitting. Were i'm going to tell whatever i know because i'll i'll of all my people are are already did any family left or whatever i just want to come clean for die okay. They don't care but then nobody listens to him. Another thing that conspiracy can be carried out by Centralized control versus locally law. These shootings one of the things. I noticed when i was looking at the mass shootings was in almost every case. You'd have the local police responded but then the fbi would come in and say okay. It's ours from here. You guys go ahead and take off and the initial reports that the local police had said. Even if you listened to the scanners because people had the actual recordings of of the police scanners going on hand like in las vegas The police said multiple shooters in denver. Aurora win the roar shooting. Multiple shooters In el paso multiple shooters but when the fbi comes in every case it was now lone gunman even the sandy hook multiple shooters just be. I comes in no lone gunman and by the way. He's a white supremacist or By the way he's He's got a manifesto yet that happened for sure with aurora because there was some pretty good evidence that there was more than that one dude involved But then when they got to his apartment and who knows if this some of this stuff could have been staged but right now they said it was Setup for bombs to go off and booby trapped right right and and who knows. I mean like you said who knows if all that stuff wasting it very well could have been. Maybe it didn't happen. How how do we know. Or maybe the government just drove him insane he he was a very actually have very high functioning high level individual super smart. And then over the course of you know uh. He lost his mind. I happen to think that a lot of the shootings mashing that happen. Like there's there's gotta be something with it. But i think when people lose their grip on reality if you could control that what a powerful mattis you can make people do anything and i think it goes towards the bigger picture to where you know they trying to take our guns away. Well that feeds right into that narrative right there over and over and over. Eventually people are going to be like. Yeah time to time to get rid of the second amendment. If you look at some of the stuff that's been. Declassified actually used to exist that we know used to exist they had mind control was working on mind control m. k. ultra That was a real thing really existed and they were experimenting with different kinds of drugs to be able to do that. Some people they were using different kinds of psychological warfare directional energy. All kinds of things that that was. What lee sixties and seventies. So how far could. They have gotten how they probably. They could probably synthesize any protein. They want and and have it custom made for a person to to have pretty much any effect on their brain. I mean there's probably. I'm sure the research has gone on and on for last you. Don't start that kinda research and they're just like. Oh yeah well. The government made illegal solicitous. Stop it doesn't. It does not happen. That kind of power doesn't just go away right even if somebody maybe maybe publicly. It goes away. Some privatization can black ops. Somebody's going to say. Hey at kind of power could come in very handy to me right and and they're gonna pick it up and so whether it's gone private whether it stayed public whether it's claws i private you know it's gone to a private company. But it's still being funded through black ops programs whatever I believe if they had the capability that they had in the sixties and seventies. Do this kind of stuff with the with the technology that we have with the pharmaceutical a growth that we've had psychology revelations that we have you know damn well that they have capabilities today that they did not have forty years ago fifty years ago absolutely. I'm positive with that. And so all of these people in these mass shootings you know very well could have been involved to some degree and have been some sort of m. k. Ultra or whatever. The the modern version of npr ultra thing is very. Well could could have happened. Anyway we're getting close to where we need to wrap up yourself Here but you look at You know even the media itself being centralized the republicans pass something back in the nineties that basically that basically allowed consolidation of media companies and so most of the media in the united states so ninety to ninety five percent of the media is owned and controlled by about fifteen billionaires and six parent companies asked. His knee is a huge one viacom. Cbs Rupert murdoch with fox. I think even that got bought out recently didn't except for any of the companies that carry our podcast. We like them but not everybody else right. So if you look at it how you know you may not be able to control ninety percent of the company the the media but you can control. Six companies and those six companies can exert influence on all of their subsidiaries which includes about ninety to ninety five percent of the media. And so now you gotta do is marginalized the five to ten percent. That's left column independent fringe media calling conspiracy theorists what they've done to alex jones. What they've done to to ben swann. They've done to glenn beck Breitbart on and on and on where they they take these people and say well. You're extremists your white. Supremacist here. whatever the unpopular term of the day is. Let's let's label these guys in. There may be some truth. What they're saying but certainly not to the degree that they use it but they marginalize these people in anybody who identifies with them now. Anybody who gets their news from them is now marginalized. There's a saying sure. And i probably used it before. But it's kind of like boiling a frog right. You turn the water up one degree at a time. The frog numbered moses boiled. And if you want to change the narrative and if you want to change what people think is okay you just do a little bit at a time and slowly over time you change us. Society and just nudge an edge. Push little here and there and and if you own the media you can certainly have a strong influence on that or if you owned a majority right right and even if you don't own it per se you can own it in different ways like a. I was listening to sherrill atkinson last night on an interview with october cola who she basically said. Look pharmaceutical companies have come in and squashed any reporting that has to do with Exposes on drugs exposes on vaccines and so they say basically. We are one of your biggest advertisers. And wouldn't it be a shame if we disappeared. If you did that story it's harmful us and so they control without necessarily even controlling it right and so the producers like This is my bonus. I'm not gonna jeopardize my bonus so that you can get your story out there. Sorry right in the pocket book right and so that that's a that's a that's a real deal so anyway i would say just as my little free plug here duck duck. Go didn't ask me to do this. But if you want to do a google search on anything serious consider something like duck duck. Oh there's a couple of those search engines out there that don't not only don't track you but don't censor certain things and so if you look at some of the alternative search engines than they can actually give you some information that like if you i googled why conspiracy theories could be valid. I three pages of google. Basically says the can't interesting. He goes through the first three pages of there. And it's like basically all all the articles are they're telling you how crazy you are if you think conspiracy theories are valid duck duck. Go doesn't doesn't do that. They don't censor the results and first page. There was something on there. Basically telling you why. Yeah here's why some people believe in conspiracy theories interesting. Yeah yeah so when people are like you know. Google is god yet. Another reason why people don't believe in spiracy theories at least do a google search before he posted it on the internet just to see through well. Google is not true if cools. Not feeding you truth. We already looked to them as kind of a awed anytime you want fact check somebody else. What do you do you google it. I heard they had their Their biggest outage the other day worldwide outage day before yesterday in the morning they had on a worldwide service interruption for a couple of our good used to have a tagline if you remember used them back in the day that said Don't be evil. Remember that i don't. I don't remember tagline. Yeah when you went on to google to search it said don't be evil and it was because the founders of google realized that search could be very powerful force for evil if it was manipulated. I could see that. Google took that tagline off now like us evil. it's interesting though Interesting how is how it's morphed but anyway there's a ton more and we could go on for forever and ever but only make podcast too long today but I think that there's there's a ton of things that could be a ton of things that are used and there's a ton of things that that line to be able to to make conspiracies a real deal you know like You gotta have people working together. Will the simple income inequality equation reading somewhere recently. Were the top three hundred richest people in the world control more wealth than the bottom four billion people a lot of money. That is staggering. It's a lot of money a lot of influence. You think about the kind of power and influence that you could have if you had that kind of wealth. How many people could you buy off. How many people could you shut up. How many people even the ones that couldn't be bought off. How many of them could you keep their story from being told if you wanted to countless you can do whatever you wanted to pretty much and all these people get together every year to talk about basically you know being in the brain. Well what are we gonna do today. We're gonna rule the world. You know the the bill build a burger conventions the council on foreign relations the Other things like that. It's escaping me at this at this point but build burgers a big one. You know talk about all the time where the rich people of the world get together and wizard switzerland in switzerland and and it's like it's not a secret these people all get together and they say basically. What are our priorities for this year. And this is where these rich people in the leaders of the world. Not every leader gets invited to this but this is where these rich people In the leaders get together to decide basically. What's our agenda for the year and so this is where they work at all out. This is how how they okay. Well i have this goal in mind. Why have this goal in mind. How can we. How can we work this so that it's good for for all for for both of us. It doesn't matter what was good for brian. matt scott. What's good for these guys. Have all the money in davos and when you have the billionaires kind of power that they have the money that wealth that they have all working the other. I stated goal. You can do just about anything you want to do you can. I don't know if it's just about. I think you can do anything. You wanna do. You disappear yeah and so we have that kind of power and motivation. Any conspiracy theory. I think is worthy of consideration of that. Point doesn't mean that you know. Obviously you can punch of weird ones. That aren't true. But i think you have to if you have any intellectual honesty you have to say it's worthy of consideration You gotta do your own research and you got to look at it yourself and not take anyone's word for it and not be afraid to be a sam swims upstream because you're to have unpopular viewpoints. You can be called names. And you're gonna be alienated an isolated and that's just part of the territory. You gotta be willing to be ostracized. Potentially be right if you care about the truth. Welcome to all our new listeners. Thanks so much for listening. Send us an email. As to where you're listening from so we can give a out go to our different take dot com and our facebook group page called od team nation. See this your comments suggestions. Complaints or questions to show at our different take dot com. Don't forget to subscribe on apple podcasts. And look for us. Wherever you get your podcast. We also have a youtube channel called different. Take subscribe and click on the bell. 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You're listening to America off the rails with your host Rick Robinson. Yes. Guess what day it is anybody? It is Wednesday, my dudes. Welcome to the program. Ladies and gentlemen. I am McRoberts M. This is America off the rails and he just chat lives matter night here on K alarm radio. I hope everybody's have a great night. Wednesday evening. Thank you so much. For those of you joining us live. For those of you listening Memorex podcast our rules you listen. Thank you so much for doing so, however, if you're not hanging out with the crew that we have in the chat, you're missing most of fun. They don't come to listen to me. They come to hang out and talk to each other mostly kidding. All right. So anyway, I hope everybody's having a great night and we got a lot to talk about tonight. So for those of you living under a rock, there's a debate tomorrow, but there's something that I really need to to put the bed here really really quickly cuz I'm saying this story starting to circulate again because Forbes just put out an article that shows the dollar amount that. Home of the date in China for taxes and everybody's like and they got this amount and we only got $750 for those of you again don't seem to understand how this works. If you actually go through and you read the New York Times article, which I don't know why you would but probably should because at some point they actually give you a breakdown of the different line items are two separate line items to talk about a recurring payment. There. Are are you repeating payment that was basically paid in advance to cover most of Donald Trump's tax bill for a certain time frame and since he was being honored reviewed and everything else any time. They made a correction some of that money got carried forward and applied to the next year balances. So what that story is actually sort of have been explaining is that the reason he only wound up having to pay an additional $750 it because you've already paid millions of dollars in taxes before and after adjustments were made and everything else some of the money that he had paid continue to be carried forward into a future years until that money was exhausted and then he still had to pay an additional $750. So no, it's not steady big China x amount of dollars and we only got seven fifty and said he paid the government tons and tons and tons of money and still against had to pay an additional $7,050 for those of you that are so upset about Donald Trump's tax bill. Let me remind you of one key Point taxation is theft we went to war with an entire country over taxation. When went to war with an entire country over taxation without representation. We we were so far we were so far removed from what the the government of England was trying to do to us as colonists that we went to war and we kicked their ass and then even though it is in the Constitution specifically off the general government can Levy no taxes directly against its citizenry. Somehow we got duped into this whole idea. What if we passed his income tax thing. It's only going to be out for a while. We're at War don't actually have a sunset on it. So once we're done with the war, we're just going to let it sunset you don't have to worry about it anymore. And then it turned into this great idea of well, since we already have all this money, we're not having use it for war anymore. We can start using it for all these social programs that everybody thinks are really really great idea. Nobody asked me. I don't think any of those are great ideas. None of them the federal government can do no better job. If not a worse job than any charity that exists today. The problem is because we have to give up so much of our money to the federal government. Now, most of us can't really afford to donate to any charitable situations because most of us have to work until like freaking March or April before we before we're done playing whatever the government's supposed to be taking from our paychecks. To realize how many hours in a year you work to cover your tax bill. Because a guarantee of you start looking at it that way you're going to be ready for another Boston Tea Party. And you should be ready for another Boston Tea Party. This ship was supposed to be temporary. Stop telling me about. Oh my God, Donald Trump because he's rich is figuring out how to get past the tax code. Guess what? I rich and I do everything I can now I have to give the government another dime of my money. Is that makes me evil then? She'll be it the government gets enough of my money. I am tax 16 range from Sunday. You are taxed 16 ways from Sunday Iron Chef on my state government wouldn't allow a tax on perishables such as food at some point they decided that was a bad idea. I'm looking at them going taxation is theft motherfuker? Give me my money back. What because we have because we have this heart in America that we want to be able to help everybody with all their things. Somebody came up with this great idea of well, if we take all these taxes and we put them into things like Social Security payments and this that and the other and all these other little programs that everybody wants to have and maybe they won't care so much if they're they're space this thing called FICA in their paycheck taking a good chunk of it. And there's nothing there's other things that has ever heard of taking a good chunk of your money. And you want to yell at me about Donald Trump not paying his fair share in taxes. Guess what your fair share in taxes is supposed to be zero. At the end of the day, the federal government is not supposed to let me any taxes against its citizenry in a direct fashion. This is another reason why yet again when Justice Roberts said, well, I agree with the congress position that this is a tax great. That's what it's being administered by the federal government and it's part of your federal tax return that makes it illegal. oops Oops, but so that's going on. So there's the other big story of the day, of course regarding Donald Trump is oh my God, Donald Trump a guy who does business in China has a Chinese bank account you realize when you do business at foreign countries, they require you to have a bank account of that nationality to do business. I mean I know most of you that are listening to the mainstream media probably never done business in other countries. So maybe it's confusing for you. But the fact that Donald Trump who does business in China has a Chinese bank account is the biggest nothing Burger of nothing burgers that I have ever seen in my goddamn life. The simple fact of the matter is the New York slimes is trying to run cover for Joe Biden because his dirty laundry is all over the New York Post Office. They now have what they believe is to confirm signature of Hunter Biden signing the invoice for dropping off a laptop. They now have information indicating that there there is allegedly child pornography on the hard drive that has been turned over to Delaware State Police that would have a hundred items fingerprints basically all over it. Now again, the reason I send allegedly is I do typically try to keep to a 24-hour rule but more and more of this is starting to come out and I think the thing that disturbs me the most about today and I talked about this a little bit with or t is actually heard Governor Mike Huckabee tell everybody off during a Fox news interview that Donald Trump needs to focus on the economy and his plan to recover from covid-19 talking about the corruption of the Biden family. I completely dead. Agree, because what what governor Huckabee said was that it's too convoluted of an issue. The American voter doesn't care and when you start talking about convoluted issues what you're actually saying is she can voters too stupid to care. I don't think any of you are stupid. I don't think anybody who votes a stupid I would like to think that everybody gets involved involved informed and makes the best decision. They feel is going off Port them and their families, even if I disagree with your decision. I'm hoping that's the process that you follow. I know I'm probably not even I know most of his own. Well, I don't like that guy. So we're going to vote for this song over here. Okay, if that's your reasoning but then fine. But the whole point of trying to get across is this is not the last thing Donald Trump should be focusing on if anything this vindicates Donald Trump for everything that the left has been saying about him now for four years because again going back to what Stacy and already and pretty much everybody else here. Okay that K alarm radio along with me has been saying is if the left is accusing you of something I get back to you when they came up with that speech before they made the accusation they were looking in the mirror. For those of you and more I do not know what what I'm talking about. What I'm saying is they're projecting anything they accuse you of is because they've already done worse and they assume that you're no better than they are home. And if you don't believe me when you see everything that is coming out with a hundred Bible story, you are seeing everything. They tried to lay at the feet of Donald Trump squarely at the feet of of Joe Biden's family. Now you can like that you can lump it you can be pissed off at me for saying it but the simple fact of the matter is the the bidens are nothing more than a crime family and for all of you that in putting off been putting out all over social media today that anybody that's tearing the biting family apart while they try to give the Trump family a pass for everything that's come out about him. You're a bunch of Hypocrites know that's not true because that's actually ever came out about the Drum family. There's lots of things the media I've tried to say, but they haven't been able to corroborate any of them. I know in the new world. It's all about court of public opinion. It doesn't matter who actually did anything else it only matters what you believe but the simple fact of the matter is there is a paper trail. Of pretty much everything that has gone on with the Trump campaign from the moment. He stepped off the escalator until today what we now know based on information that we have been able to that we've been able to determine is there a handwritten notes from the former director of the CIA to these then sitting president of the United States talking about the fact that the Hillary Clinton campaign was going to start a disinformation campaign tying, the the Trump campaign to Russia and accusing them of colluding to be able to try to steal the election. We now know that without a shadow of a doubt because we have it in their own handwritten notes. Do you now that you can see the handwritten notes. Do you really have any doubts with strong page were talking about when they were texting back and forth about their insurance policy. Do you do you really have any doubt what that was referencing? Because if you do you're not paying attention. So we have a campaign that's been under attack from the moment. He stepped off the escalator and at the same time. We have a sitting Vice President of the United States using his influence to not only unduly e ad undo the exert pressure on to a governmental or governmental group of another country. But also using his political influence to Garner wealth and attention with his family. These are the very same things that they have been accusing the Trump family of doing from the moment. Donald Trump was sworn into office and there's a reason they've been making those accusations because they knew at some point this was going to come out because I'm telling you right now as much as the Democrats like to pretend that they're the party of spontaneity and they just, you know, go where the wind takes them and let the voters decide off. This ship was planned out a long time ago. Think about the two people that got the last two shots Hillary Clinton. Who was basically part of what I think is probably still the first biggest crime family of the democratic party. Now Joe Biden who we now know is basically the patriarch of the second biggest crime family home in the Democratic party. You don't think any of this was scripted and planned. Because they guarantee they didn't give them any options. You don't think it was you don't think it was scripted and planned that the guy that was like in sixth place up until super Tuesday. All of a sudden. Everybody said oh, let's start voting for Biden home. Yeah. Somebody was offered a cabinet position. I'm stepping out of the race, but I want you to support Joe Biden. Yeah, not not passing the smell test to can't even state. Cognizant for longer than two minutes at a time. Sorry. I have a new wireless keyboard and apparently it has a sleep boat that I need to discover how to turn off cuz if I sit here too long, it's like we're not doing internet, but we are up against to break. So we're going to take the first break of show when we come back. We're going to go ahead and get the Probably going to go ahead and do this before the week. So stay tuned. Hang tight and play play through commercials pay some bills will come back with before of the week. And then we'll come back to finish the show off. I haven't looked at this one yet. Last one. I played was almost twenty minutes. So if I'm right it's going to put his pretty close to the end of the show, but we're going to try. Anyway. I'll be right back home. If you had one shot one opportunity wage is everything you ever wanted one moment captured in a week or a heavy there's vomit on his sweater already mom's spaghetti. 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I do have a very special guest with this evening cuz he popped in the chat and I was brought to the realization was brought to my attention that there was not a new before the week. So because he saw so many people talking about it. He was like, oh my God, they actually took like my stuff I now have him live with us on the air for a killer radio, exclusive the one the only mr. Genes Bear Deli. How are you, sir, Rick? I am doing great and a special shout-out everybody in the chat. I'm literally overwhelmed with the response from everybody in their wow. That was so amazing. I was literally doing some legal work on a late night. Trying to get it done listening to you log. And sorry, I'm seriously overwhelmed. I'm sorry you were listening to me. But I'm glad to chat likes you. Oh, I love listening to yourself the best. Well my podcasts is it won an award winning Awards or if there's one of us here that can say that there's has still owe that was that was a long long time ago, though. I'm I'm a husband still be in never was 12 long time ago in a galaxy far far away, but it was still a really cool moment. I definitely was I'm glad you were there to share with me though that after party. Oh dude that after that dude. I so one thing I missed them off to the last you see packs is the after party. Although we'll see if we can get it going again soon. Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess that depends on if the world ever gets anywhere near back to normal soon. Absolutely. But so anyway, so what we decided to do is we're going to bring you on and used to you said yourself while we were doing the the spend up for the break that there's still plenty of things that we could talk about from last week. So here the game. Where you want to go? So, I mean there were three major news events for last week. I mean if I would have done a before the week video it would have had to have been a free-for-all between the doing town halls and Savannah Guthrie and then the confirmation hearings for Amy Coney Barrett and you know so many different things going on, but I guess Savannah Guthrie is as good a place as any did you see her eyes bulging out of her head during that town hall only when I was getting caught up after I got back from a short vacation because the wife and I actually went out of town. But yeah over the weekend I started getting caught back up again when we got back home on Sunday night. And yeah, they're they're they were just some weird things in life Rick. It was like a it was like a it was like a meme come to life near the triggered meme with the with the smoke habit of shaking with the glasses. That was literally her. I don't know how many interruptions they were. I was had to be I believe Frome Instead it was every twelve seconds. She interrupted the president during the town hall and just it was amazing to see the trigger effect has grown exponentially long as we get closer to the election. So I mean take a look at the photo. I mean, I think someone just put up in the chat. Yeah, they did. Look at that face. ghetto close lesbians Hillary's it reminds Hillary Clinton when she cackles. Yeah, except the intensity in the eyes is like a it's there's a Hellfire behind that eyes that you can really see coming out. She had to make sure that she thought the President Trump was wrong at every single turn. I don't know about anybody else, but I didn't tune into a town hall to see what Savannah Guthrie had this thing had to say if she wants to run for something. God bless you. Let her go do it. That's so funny because I was just about to say the same thing Jeff in the chance that it was like Christopher Lloyd character in Rodger rabbit, and I was like when I when I saw the the YouTube portion of that was yeah that is a created reference my friend. We're old it's okay. Well thirty-year-old reference. We're trying to bring in the young people. Well, maybe you are I'm just around anybody listening to me at all. You'd be surprised how many people come up to me and talked about how good your show is Rick so don't don't sell yourself short. So we we obviously we had Savannah Guthrie. We had the hearings were any Coney Barrack? We had a you know, Frank and Feinstein getting caught on a hot mic talking about Judge Barrett views on abortion. That was interesting. It's amazing. The more you let Democrats talk the more they let you know who they are the more that they reveal to you exactly what their character is between Frank and Feinstein talking in their hot Mike Sheldon Whitehouse needing more cork boards and yarn to go around for his theory about you know, dark money and not see her. Oh, no just reading off a script regardless of his being said it was like Amateur hour. Well, I mean, that's pretty much what we're looking at is a bunch of concurrent amateur hours. So it's not really surprising that it would come across that way. Right it well for for me as an attorney watching it. It was like looking at a bunch of twelve-year-olds questioning a parent. Amy Coney Barrett is a walking talking legal Library. It was amazing the problems he put on Ice a performance. That's literally just her that's literally just her encyclopedic knowledge of the law and she thought to herself within the canons of judicial ethics and that's when it struck me. Ethics. What do these people questioning her know about ethics? Absolutely. No shelter Sheldon Whitehouse his dark money Scandal himself talking about demand Justice and all these other organizations that are funneling money in news flash Democrats do that too. And in greater amounts of money off and then Mazie hirono with her talking like this every time she speaks. She has the upper turn and her voice making her sound really smart. It was he was mind-numbing. You know the biggest take away from me is kind of something that you already you already talked about and a lot of people in the media at least on our side of the the equation kind of picked up on a to it was like anytime 20 Barrett was answering questions. It was like she was talking to her children because she her tones were measured it. Honestly. I think the best quote I heard is it reminds me of a mom who's talking to her children about where they should be putting their shoes. Because she was she was, that's a great analogy. It's a great analogy. We love that. That's exactly how I came across and you know having you know having been, you know, a parent who raised six kids myself, you know at some point basically become pretty much unflappable because especially when all six of them try to gang up on you at the same time, you're either going to survive or you're going to die. So she's probably been in a very similar scenario you take that into account wage fact that she did all of this with zero notes and the idea that the left has come up with it. Well, she is completely unqualified and she's only been on the bench for this many years and that's never happened before it's just not true. I absolutely not true. I mean qualifications for the bench and political Purity tests are two different things Ruth Bader Ginsburg was eminently qualified for the bench. That's why she got over 90 some odd votes when she was a nominee to be confirmed. There is no reason why any of President Trump's nominee is whether it be Gorsuch cabin or or Barrett shouldn't have gotten the same treatment but for politics and that's what it's about is the politicization of the Court by democrats because they see courts as a super legislature in order to pass by judicial Fiat off all the legislation. They can't get passed through representative government. Exactly. And I mean that's that's their whole idea behind the the legislative branches basically to become you know, the the super tiebreaker for anything that they basically want to do home which is why you hear one of the I guess the most interesting things just to backtrack for a second that I have heard from the Democratic party lately because when the story get started coming out about people trying to ask Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, do you have fans on packing the Supreme Court if if you become the president and the vice president United States and of course, they won't answer it. They can't answer it because they're threading a needle between their basis because they have on one side of the super often the other side the is super poor. So they're basically trying to thread a needle hold this Coalition together and it's just it's just not holding up, but the interesting thing is once once the media figured out what the narrative is the idea of what it meant to pack the cord was suddenly shifted and they started pushing this new narrative where it's actually the the Republicans that are packing the cords because they're filling off. These seeds with conservative justices and I'm sorry. Is it our fault that Obama left over a hundred unfilled seats when he when he left office. I was that her phone. Well, there's also an intellectual dishonesty there Rick because of that phrase court-packing being used by the Democrats in the immortal words of an ego Montoya. I don't think it means what you think it means because when they say court-packing that doesn't mean appointing judges to the bench, it means expanding the size of the Supreme Court of the United States. It's a reference back to Franklin Delano Roosevelt wanting to expand this the number of justices just that would sit on the Supreme Court because the Constitution does not set a set number for the number of justices sitting on the Supreme Court. That's the game Democrats play. It's a word game Resident Trump is not court-packing. He's fulfilling his duty as he executive and with advice and consent of the legislature that's not court-packing this called Governor dead. Yeah, no, there's a big difference is job description. Now, there's one other thing that I want to bring up just while I have you with us here because the other thing that I keep hearing all the time is oh my God after the way that the Republicans treated like rock Obama's final nominee and his lame duck session. This isn't even something that we should be dealing with right now. So there's a really big difference to my mind that I'm going to explain that and then I'll give you a chance to tell your side we can walk on whether you agree or disagree because I don't see things the same way that certain people in even certain Republicans are seeing them right now because yes an election has been started but under under Barack Obama with the the nominee who did not get an up-or-down vote, which I honestly disagree with that. I think they should have at least put him up for the vote. Just let it go and it would have been struck down anyway, cuz we still had the majority but that being said, you know, the reason it was a big deal in the in the reason it first of all the whole thing that they talked about. It was called the Biden rule for a reason but the whole idea is this was a guaranteed wage. Situation there was a hundred percent chance that within a couple of months there was going within a few months there was going to be a brand new president. So the the Senate decided that point using bites very own wisdom at the time that we should allow the next president. Whoever they need fill the seat. This isn't a lame duck session for Donald Trump. There is a 50% chance that he's coming back. So the idea that they're using this as well. The Republicans have reversed course on what they said during the final days of the Obama term know they didn't because there was no way Obama was coming back. There was one large finger was in to be somebody else. There's so many different moving Parts here. It's ridiculous. The Senate doesn't is not mandated to have a hearings on a nominee. They can choose not to hear a nominee or to hear them depending upon who's you know in power. I'm sorry to say this bluntly but elections Hancock sequences the election of the Senate as a majority meant that maybe President Obama should have given a little more deference to that branch of government ID when making his pick instead of trying to use a bully pulpit to get that pick on because President Obama was trying to do exactly what Donald Trump was trying to do. Let's get real wage was about getting your ideology on the bench. It just so happened. I don't think it's really as hard as as you know, I don't need to go through the agenda the agenda gymnastics dead. President Trump and President Obama tried to do the exact same thing is just so happens that President Trump worked with the legislature to get done. It's really that simple. I don't think that you need to talk about precedents or custom or or anything like that. People get elected for a reason and they have to do their job elections have consequences. So I I to me, it's literally as simple as that. Yeah. I just I mean for me the reason I try to explain as much as I do is because unfortunately I have this weird habit of collecting liberal friends on my Facebook page. Oh, I do the same thing and you know what you can actually make a lot of distinguishing arguments between the wage situations and you did it quite. Well, you know what I like to do though Rick, I like the point back to a specific date that every Democrat should should think about and that date was November 21st 2013. It was the date that Harry Reid talked about filibuster reform and started to want to you know, talk about nuclear options and all that and when Harry Reid set the precedent back to pass a pointed appointees rather without a supermajority. The Fate was sealed for Democrats were after that. Thank Harry Reid for everything that's gone on since that day. Oh no. Yeah, we we've said that pretty much on every ship we've done lately cuz you know for all the left just that are foaming at the mouth over Donald Trump getting all these thoughts think Harry Reid cuz if not for him going nuclear, then we probably wouldn't have half of the appointments we have right now just being honest because there there isn't there isn't enough there for a supermajority especially with its hard and fast as the Democrats are sticking to politics and winning by any means necessary which is which is there go to and if you have any doubt that that's their go to look at differences in how they're treating the supposed scandals between what really didn't happen with real Donald Trump with Donald Trump almost call them real Donald Trump and and what is actually being uncovered with wage in the Biden family. In the reason. I keep saying this is, you know, even the Bible family at this point. Nobody's come out and said that any of this isn't isn't accurate nobody well. Only thing that's come out is Joe Biden coming out and saying, you know, no nobody in America wants to hear about smear jobs against my family. I kind of woke up here what's going on duct abiding? I mean, I think there's let's let's compare two story. Shall we we have the Trump tax return story in the New York Times undocumented Source anonymous source documents that haven't been revealed to the public most likely stolen documents liberals everywhere give this story Credence law was written in the Bible on the other side. You have the New York Post story about Hunter buttons laptop and the 26,000 emails that are on there. And then the Breitbart Story how about the partner in jail who's given access to his emails to corroborate the emails? You have a chain of custody of the laptop. You have a chain of custody of the emails you age. Verifiable information that the FBI has it all these things and and the documents were published. Some of the documents were published on the New York post's website and what happens every one on the left goes nuts and discounts does Russian disinformation and Twitter has to ban, you know, the links for it and you know Pittsburgh has to limit circulation my God what it's like left is right up his down, you know, the sky is falling and and and it's a world gone mad right now. No, I mean exactly. I mean this whole situation is absolutely maddening because I mean there has been I mean even the Mueller report itself. If you go back through when you read through all the pages, but everything they said was supposed to have happened with Donald Trump. They could find no connections with anybody with the campaign no indication that anybody with the campaign conspired to do anything with anybody and then you have 20. Oh, okay. So first question who has 26,000 emails on their computer who I just need that. That's my the first question I need to have answered is who doesn't clean out their email box. I mean, my my Gmail is pretty full right now. I'm going to I'm just going to load into my Gmail to see how many messages I have in there currently that I just like archived. She it's not it's not as many it's only 60,000. There's still a lot. I mean, but yeah, it's it's it's a lot but I use it as my art. I use Gmail as my archive to get anything back. And by the way, if anybody wants to check my emails, there's nothing. Nearly a salacious as what you'll find in Hunter Biden's emails. All right. So what are the thing? I definitely want to hit on you with cuz I don't want to monopolize the rest of your night cuz I know you were up late doing some work. Oh no stop. I'm going to be off while working anyway, so this is a nice break for me. I appreciate it. And I appreciate everybody listening to so then we'll just keep going for a few more minutes, but I I have to get your perspective on this whole this whole nothingburger, but I know I just gave the lead away. I'm from New you know, they're having this big meltdown because there's this super-secret Chinese bank account that Donald Trump has that he told the IRS about so I'm not exactly sure how they considered super-secret. I I'm starting to think people don't understand how business Works. Cuz I talked about this a little go but I want to talk about it with you on on on with this as well to people not really understand that to do business in other countries. You have to have bank accounts in that country. I don't think they understand that but here here's the thing. It's absolutely true that most likely Trump or one of his businesses or that he either wholly owns a partially owned know whatever was either a wholly-owned foreign Enterprise or a joint venture with some Chinese partner in some project and for all we know the project happen. It didn't happen. We don't know the details but having a bank account is not only legitimate for these purposes you go to any international business advisor. They advise you to do that. It's something they they tell you do that in a smart business, especially with operating in China people don't realize that when you're operating in Asian market and I I've done some International litigation where I've had to go to, you know, South Korea and and other places You have to immerse in that culture as well. It's it's a cultural point for the Chinese for them to see that you are opening an account there because you're you're almost submitting to a jurisdiction for purposes of completing the transaction. They probably wouldn't think about doing a transaction with Trump if it would be governed by let's say a marriage law. So this is probably a pro forma action by the Trump organization in order to conduct some sort of business in China and who doesn't want to conduct business in China for how long have people been talking about it being an emerging market that people, you know them Brooklyn's coming out in emerging-market and that people need to be involved in investing to get a a strong return on profits from that emerging-market. It's absolutely a nothingburger, but You also have to one other thing to think about Chinese taxes probably lower than American taxes when it comes to businesses because China wants to attract the American dollar to go there. Well, it's it's not only that one of the things that I didn't really understand until you know, Donald Trump came into office and we started seeing some of the things that we're going on, which I need businesses is not necessarily just about the track American dollars. It's about the fact that to develop products in China. You have to have somebody on the board of the company that's actually running in China this part of the CCP. You also basically surrett Journey right standing intellectual property this developed while you're in China, so it's not just about the money, you know, we talked about the fact that China has been stealing stuff from us for years. That's because apparently when we started doing business with them, we didn't read the fine. Or we just didn't yet. I don't absolutely I think that's what it was about. Just think about the type of business that people would go into trainer for it's either for product introduction for licensing reasons. These are things that are in Trump's wheelhouse. I don't understand why this would be such a big deal that he would want to conduct business in China and he has a bank account in church ages. Okay. Thanks for telling us. The only thing is is it's the political game the Optics of it is worse than the reality of it because you now scare everyone was saying oh, hey baby, he has money there. Who so what? And I talked about this earlier, but I'm not sure if you were on yet either. I actually kind of went back and re-educated everybody about the original New York Times story with the tax returns cuz you know the Forbes article came out today that oh my God, Donald Trump paid x amount of dollars in Chinese taxes, and and one of my liberal friends on Facebook, you know caption it and said and we got $750 like you obviously don't know how to read the article because that was 750 additional dollars on top of waiting already been paid which was millions of dollars. It makes no sense. People want to see what they want to see liberals reading the New York Times want to see Trump embattled. They want to think that other she was going to drop they've been waiting for that other shoe to drop for about four years now. Is absolutely crazy. But let me you know, you know Rick I I appreciate the discussion on this but I want to just see one thing if you were to pick off anyone from before the week. No, no no. No, let's do this if you're going to pick someone for buffoon of the year. Who is you're picking while buffoon of the Year? Good Lord, because I'll tell you what Rick. I'm going to put this out there at first I'm talking about this with anyone. I'm going to officially let you listen. There's no way we will be doing a buffoon of the Year. Tournament-style bracket. That's a start in December. We're going to have four different quadrants with four different participants each in it. And it's going to work out that we're going to culminate that the first show of 2021 will end up with a buffoon of the year. So I started thinking about that. And also when I do the unveiling of the bracket Rick, I want you and your listeners a part of it you guys are going to be I'm inviting you to be a part of unfailing the bracket with me. How about it nice? Yeah, let's do that that that would be amazing, but we'll work out the details, but who would you want to see in the before the year bracket, so just to make Sure that I understand is it does this have to be from people that have already been nominated or is it open season? You know, what as far as I'm concerned. It's open season. Obviously, we're going to do some seating and anyone who's been before the week before were probably get preferential seating, but I'm sure there are plenty of people out there that we haven't nominated wage or have nominated and launched or if nominated in one I say it's open. Okay, just well you got as they say I mean obviously for me it's still a tie between two people off. But obviously one of them has to be Nancy Pelosi, but she might actually be the buffoon of the century because she's been around for about that long. Now you see I like the pic but let me page on a clue someone in on before the before the week before the year all the stuff that that we do try to stay away from people who by their mere presence would suck. The results for instance Barack Obama Hillary Clinton Anthony Weiner Reverend Al Sharpton. These are all people that you don't even need to know what they. Did they just going to win a point you have a point. So I don't know. I'd like to think that Nancy Pelosi is one of those people that would probably just skew the results although Salam. It does qualify her for before the year. I was going to say well that that that that was actually the main reason why I was thinking heard that and I just can't stand her but I see your point about that possibly ceiling results. So if we're going to go with that, I guess my topic other than that would have to be tater. I'm not sure if you know who Taylor is Brent know I tell me who that is. Right? I love inside jokes that Louisiana. Oh, okay. Oh the whole monitor. Yeah, but the whole lot, you know CNN has so many good options that you can literally make a CNN bracket if you wanted to probably between between the cracks Cuomo, who by the way is back in the news for for his his Co-op his cooperatives condo is threatening to find him for because he's not wearing a mask off, you know, Mister high-and-mighty righteous covid-19. Is not wearing a mask in his own building and he's had kovachev, you know, where to keep your building safe. We have waged on Lemmon who constantly sticks his foot in his mouth between the Terry Crews thing and you know his statements on you know, burning hold down and and wage Him getting drunk every New Year's ridiculous. You have the hall monitor that you mentioned. I mean my God, Joe Johns got into a fight with a raccoon. There's so much there's literally so much just from seeing in alone. So we may have to be we have to pick and choose who we get from CNN for me. I had kind of a favorite pick and for those of you who watch before the week in the chat room, and there's so many that do and I really appreciate it. I'm biased towards the bozone Bill de Blasio I can see that Because it's like every week this something new with him. I can the list is overwhelming. But anyway, everybody out there starts them out before of the year go back through the year and from the impeachment to you know, different hearings in different moments in time. It's going to be it's probably going to be the most. 16 you've ever seen any bracket ever. Oh man, CC 1990 got my wheel spinning cuz I know who you were trying to pin. I'm not staying here cuz I know you kind of teased a little bit here and there on Facebook and you weren't exactly sure if you were going to be doing a buffoon of the year. I'm excited now. I'm excited. There you go. That's the point. Let's get hyped about this. I mean we need something in these times. We all need something to look forward to right. So now we have something to look forward to I hope that we can have the bracket together and unveiled in short order. I'm working on getting a lot of the production stuff together. Now, I'm I am so excited about doing this. This is kind of like what I live to do on the weekends, you know, I'm kind of like itching to do this this fun stuff, you know. Oh, yeah, trust me. I do completely understand the wife, you know, I'm looking in the chat right now Gretchen Whitmer suggested of you know, Jeff is he what he's on board with wage? Wilhelm, you know, I I see em shifts name popping up for other reasons Jeffrey toobin. Oh God, so szepesi bracket folks PG bracket. I know but if you go back go back to the impeachment Adam shift, you know and all the the lives that he was caught in think about someone like Eric swalwell wage who constantly inserts foot-in-mouth and gets owned Ted lieu. Someone who gets own Jerry Nadler. I mean the the list just Springs on and on, Milano could be before of the year. Steve Scully could be before of the year. We we do keep going all Lori Lightfoot The more how how about the mayor in Seattle with with Chaz chop, whatever the hell was called. It's so many there's so many Chris Wallace Steve Scully. I can keep going and the sad thing is this is only 20 20 what happens when it's time to do with sort of the decade. Well, may we all get to the end of the decade? It's whatever about that. Oh, well this craziest things around not making any promises. All right, my friend well, believe it or not. We pretty much closed out the show got any final thoughts. Well, I want to thank you for letting me on I'm sorry to everyone that. I didn't get to bed before the week. I hope this made up for it before the week. Com and please go to YouTube and subscribe to the channel because that's what's going to keep us going. We need to get as many subscriptions as we can be going on the Channel. I want to thank you Rick personally for the bottom my heart one of the first people to really get on board with what I'm doing before the week. You've always, you know home made me feel like part of the family whether I'm coming or going and whatever I've been going through. It is truly a pleasure to always talk to you and be around you. I wish I could do it more pal. Well, I should have told you before once you're part of the crew, you're always part of the crew as far as I'm concerned no matter what I believed you. I feel it. I totally feel it and thanks to everybody in the chat room as well. That welcome was was just so dead. All right. Well again, thank you very much for taking time out of your busy schedule to do something exclusive for our group since I was unaware there wasn't a buffoon of the week this week. I still I feel really confused cuz I could have swore I lived early as we get done his own doings. I usually check but then again I was coming back from vacation and I might have actually just thought I did was thinking of last week's but anyway, no harm no harm. No foul. I think it was a issue with a view on life. I missed doing things like this with you. Thanks pal. Same here. I'll do my best to be a little more available to everybody, you know life of course have been hectic for everyone. So you're just keep doing all the great stuff that you're doing with klrn and Thursday. It's a great to see you guys flourishing really it's so great to see dude. It's crazy. We've absolutely exploded over the last year year and half and I just I'd I can't I can't say that. I appreciate everybody who takes the time to listen more than you will ever know cuz there are literally millions of podcast out there. Now, we have a really good core group of folks in tune in every single day. I have people that come in the chat at 6 in the bar or at least I wish up things down a little midnight. Well, it's your lucky my friend because KO RN and all the people that you've surrounded yourself with is very rare for people to find other good people in politics, politics made up of a lot of SOB's in bastards, man. Yeah, and when you find the good people you hold on to them with both hands. Yeah, we we will talk about some of the horror stories we've both been through in that regard home over a bottle of Jack maybe. Yeah. Well it might take to put down on that note my friend. I hope you do have a great a great rest of your night. I'm going to have to page you go to bring it back to work cuz I have to be up in six hours to do this all over again players out Rick. Thank you everyone. Take care. All right folks. We are going to get out of here want to again. Thank Gene for hanging out with us for the same thing after the show and making it a very special treats everybody. I'll be back with you first thing tomorrow morning 7 a.m. Eastern right here for the daily dose with myself and Stacy Linux 7 to 9 every Monday through Friday, and then don't forget we're kicking off. 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The pipeline to prison
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It's completely customizable. And it's free forever. So tried click today at quick up dot com slash fox. Yesterday john fast is a professor of law at fordham university. He's also the author of a book block. Dan it's really one of my favorite books on criminal justice reform. And i think it's a really sort of admirable effort to sort of make the criminal justice reform movement in the united states. A little bit more intellectually honest My thinking on criminal justice issues was really shaped by this book. I've been interested to discover over the past couple of years. That john i think does not agree with a lot of my takes criminal justice. It's an interesting sort of illustration that you can read a book and come with some very different takeaways from the author's own views on these kinds of things but we'd conversation. I think we had a lot of points of agreement. On aspects of mass incarceration. I think continue to maybe agree to disagree about the value of police staffing and sort of preempting patrol as a crime fighting strategy. But you know we got into a lot interesting stuff. He has a lot of important points to make about the progress. A prosecutor movement some other things that are in the news but haven't been covered all that. Well i'm so. I think you're gonna you're gonna learn a lot. Love welcome to another episode of the weeds on the box media. Podcast network a metric. Laziest my guest today. John is a professor at fordham university. He's the author of a fantastic book. Locked in that came out a few years ago is actually more. Recently that i remembered it's like a lot has what has happened in the world since twenty seventeen but i think the main themes of his book are still incredibly relevant. Things have changed in the criminal justice situation where we're going to talk about that. But i think this book is really important. Sort of background context to how different people are thinking about to criminal justice questions that we continue to face today. I'm really glad to have you on i. I regret honestly not having done it sooner. But thank you. Thank you for joining us. Thank you so much. I'm looking looking forward to this. Okay so i always think it's really good in life to look at you know. How does the us compared to other countries like what are problems that seem unusually severe here or things were were good at and obviously i mean i think most people know this but we have a lot higher share our population in prison than other wealthy countries and that continues to be the case despite some trend toward toward de incarceration in recent years. Yeah that's exactly right. Know the the popular statistic is that no we have about five percent of the world's population and something in the order of twenty to twenty five percent of the world's prisoners that actually might understate our relatives share because that comparison combines prisons in jail populations and while we only have about three quarters of a million people in jail and given night cycle about ten million people through our jails every year. Us is much bigger. Churn over there. They're not countries are are close to us. Do i wanna come closer like russia and kazakhstan places like that Critics do point out that iran and north korea are not necessarily on the list. I think of data point the winning argument. Also you know. Obviously china's numbers are deflated. They don't count what they're doing in late with the warriors as as part of the prison population which it obviously But again it argues. We're fourth behind. Iran north korea and china. That's a pretty bad for position for us to be. You're you're looking at a comparison class of repressive dictatorships if you look at. I don't know our our peer countries. Canada france It's are combined rates around six or seven hundred per one hundred thousand frances around ninety or was an order of magnitude more oppressive Prisons in france and germany now the the most incarcerated western european countries england in there at around two hundred versus six or seven hundred right. So it's just a whole different category of of of incarceration and so these are bags. I mean the. The numbers are stunning. And i bet a lot of people don't know the still to this day but i do think that in progressive circles. This is something people are aware of the freeze. Mass incarceration exists but a big part of your book is dedicated to arguing against What you call. I is it called the standard view the conventional view. I forget why called the standard story in my book. The term i use. Which is this idea that is driven by warned drugs and that there's something sure of uniquely pernicious about private prisons and focus much more on kind of sort of legislators is kind of driving this process. Yeah i mean there's there's a couple of different components of it right but in both cases the the war on drugs thing if it were true that the reason the united states is such an incredible out. Liar is that we had like millions of people in jail for smoking pot. You know in their bedrooms somewhere. It would be an easy like a really easy fix like no nobody thinks there should be huge numbers of people locked up for incredibly long sentences for nonviolent drug offenses like you could just let them out right and i think that's why and is i understand exactly why that's kind of where the reform conversation started right. You don't have the giants forty year build up in prisons. That's unprecedented in american history. Our worldwide and the way you start rolling back is hey. Let's talk about murder right. You start by talking about marijuana and other drugs. And that's that makes complete sense the problems we just got stuck there. I am not just even stuck there but we got stuck in the way that makes the bigger issues actually harder to address. So i think the number of people don't know for every knows how many people are imprisoned or they don't realize is only about fourteen percent of there for drug cases and only about one percent of them are there for marijuana cases and so it's just not this marijuana story. Yeah and there's i think there's like there's good arguments for marijuana legalization separately in the policy conversation and of course it always makes sense. If you want to tackle a problem like start with easy part. Like i get it. But it's i mean. I think an important meadow point right around your book. Is that if you if you emphasize the easy stuff to the point where people become misinformed. You're not actually going to make progress on the the problem. Someone is going to pass a bill to relax non-violent drug set saying then you're going to look back five years later and like nothing will eventually changed because it's not. It's just not that big of a deal is actually even worse than that because usually the way we reform the drug laws is part of a deal right will make things less tough for the nonviolent offenses exchange. We're gonna make these violent crimes sanctions even worse and give that over half of all people in prisoner therefore violent crime rationally scaling back. They will be punished. The smaller percent by toughening the way we punish the bigger percent so good actually almost be counterproductive in the long run. It's not helpful. It's actually almost harmful or potentially harmful drugs lines. Read like if you tell people okay like we're going to really focus on the violent criminals. It's like fine but that's already who's filling the prisons right. You're talking about an increased incarceration agenda if that's redo and and i mean it's worth contextualising this right because the the war on drugs quote unquote as a construct involves a lot of prosecuting a violent criminal. Swipe the you have illegal organizations dedicated to trafficking and selling drugs because these illegal markets there's violence associated with them so like in some sense right. Yeah you know if if you hear law enforcement saying like okay like we're gonna we're gonna go after the after the drugs right like that's still means mostly arresting people for violent crimes and certainly because the prison sentences are longer right. That's what you get. It's maybe people involved in the drug trade but they're not sort of like feel good kind of stories right and this is where the actual policy post is gets incredibly convoluted non on the one hand that police will say look we use cases to go after violence and there is actually a certain amount of truth to that. If you look at trends the i look at data from new york state once you know the the transient people being locked up in york state prisons for drugs. They have almost no connection to new york. State drug laws devils everything to do with. New york's new york city violence right. The people in prison for drugs starts dropping long before new york changes drug laws. And when you're does change drug laws did decline in prison. Populations don't change the. They maintain their previous trend. Reina's it seems as much more that we were using drug enforcement as a proxy right to go after violence on the flip side. People who serve arguable really is the war on drugs. Say look john. You're saying all these violent crimes with all. Those violent crimes are coming from the war on drugs. It weren't for prohibition we wouldn't have these shootings and that's not necessarily true either gilio v. Has his it was a journalist is a journalist for the la times yet says great book called ghetto side she was embedded with a homicide division in the lapd for for several years and her argument is the fact that drugs are sufficient cause of violence. But not necessarily know that throughout history and around the world if you have a bunch of young men with no real upward mobility access to weapons and the state's not doing good job preventing violence which describes a lot of poor minority communities across america. They will turn violence. And so if you take the drug fight audit other fights will. We'll take their place. The calls were changed with. The violence. Won't change that much because the drug war dividing drugs is much more symptom of deeper challenges than than the 'cause right. And so i think at every turn the war on drugs doesn't really explain why we're here. Take it away. And i'm not sure all that much will change and i mean i think i saw a study recently was looking at what what happened. was legalized. Two people were involved in marijuana trafficking and it wasn't that like those guys became legal marijuana entrepreneurs right instead like business people with connections and access to capital and a knowledge of the permitting system like they opened legal. Marijuana business and people who've been involved in crime we're like still faced whatever barriers they face had whatever willingness to engage in risky behavior. They had and they sort of went on to other kinds of illegal activity. And i mean that's kinda what what you're saying that it's like the situation is not like fundamentally changed by tinkering with with the drug laws and i've also had police officers have told me like. They didn't like the idea of marijuana legalization in dc basically because they just like enjoy having pretextual reasons to stop right in their heads. At least it's they know who quote unquote. The criminals are and like the more stuff that's illegal like the more they can arrest them Even though it's not like they thought they were going to stamp out marijuana right by keeping it illegal right so it's it do. These things are very tied in a weird way. But but your point is that like the non-violent drug offender is not the cause of the extreme outlier. Chris situation in the united states exactly and and it's even less of an explanation than the data suggests right now. The data suggest about fourteen percent of people are prison as classified zone non violent drug offenders offenses in prison but some fraction those. We have no idea what it is because our data so terrible but there are lots of people who get arrested for domestic violence and during the arrest. Have heroin on them and then the domestic violence the assault charge falls apart. The partner testified. They don't want the charge to go forward into the plea deal they hammer out. Is you plead guilty to the hair win. But we're getting demand prison time because of the violence right but you're going show them her. Data's non-violent drug offender which actually might be in some ways the others are weird challenge about ending. The war on drugs is that it can make certain sanctions worse. They right now when you got the assault charge. You don't want all the consequences of violent crime conviction which carries all sorts of extra lifelong impediments that nonviolent conviction doesn't by the. Da can say okay. Fine i'll stop the violence. I'll try for the drugs but have jobs aren't a crime. All they have is the violence. And perhaps you should change all those back end life restrictions and we should right but as long as those are in place like dynamics here are convoluted and tricky and there's a lot of room for unintended consequences to to appear. You also talked about prisons. Which i feel like i feel like you've actually had a good amount of success in getting people to be less obsessed with us but certainly years ago this would be the thing right there like crowd. That's in particular well. Democrats are more attentive. To what criminal justice reformers wanna talk about the also just like generally like to talk about how privatizing things is is bad read like public sector unions so people will stand up and say oh we can't have these like for profit. Prisons that are that are making people This is just not like a major factor in anything right again. It's one of those things where it's not just that it's not a major factor but actually by folks privates actually causes harm because it distracts us important ways from from the public's right so the numbers that about eight percent of all prisoners in the united states held in private prisons about ninety. Two percents are held in the public's others no evidence that private prisons are are any better or worse than public prisons. other there is some data from the fed's show that fed privates are worse but the fed privates are unique in that. They're almost entirely designed to hold foreigners facing deportation post sent so that the incentive for no re entry zero ryan. It's not perhaps surprising there so terribly. Run but my real concern. Privates isn't so much that they are so minor. But is that the exact same profit. Incentives exist in the public's. We miss it right you know. We spend fifty billion dollars a year on public prisons in something about two thirds or more that is wages and benefits to the fractional staff. That's a huge financial incentive right and every defect you point you in the privates it exists in the public. So people say fine but private said he's special contracts that save. The beds aren't occupied. You have to pay for the bed. Anyway that's an incentive to keep money flowing when york state has had won the largest sustained de carso rations in the country yet were littered with empty. Prisons are still up and running right. We're still paying. the guard. correctional officers all their salaries to sit in prisons. That have no one in them. That's identical to the private prison that contract but at at nastily bigger scale right and and you know when and the lobbying dynamics vitamin those corrections officers they have their interest groups. They wanna be employed. They want their benefits. And you have you know communities in which it's a significant enough source of jobs and things that you're not just people directly employed in the prison They wanted it's it's valuable and the sort of ownership status of the facility was just like not going to be a significant sort of change. Their right it's something that's it's convenient for democratic party politicians because they can then say they're being into incarceration without taking on like unions that are affiliated with ask me and other groups that they like Ironically the law enforcement unions aren't democrats. Right i mean went when scott walker gutted public sector unions in wisconsin. He carved out three correctional officers cops and firemen right. Because those they going three publicans right. I once gave a talk at a conference sponsored by the afl cio. And i said no. I've never had a room turning faster. Then i said you know the only way we solve this go after the public fractional officer unions and they're like we stand shoulder to shoulder our union brothers by. They're not your brother's right there. Everything you're pushing for in dc push against except for no unionization and so it is an interesting thing where we're no liberals don't want to go after public sector unions and i get the general instinct. Their teacher unions under attack other unions are jenner tack but law enforcement unions. Aren't their friends right. They are very much committed. It every other policy in opposition to what liberals and democrats want right be. But you know and i do think that there has been some some change. I mean once walker discovered that you can just be totally unprincipled in your legislating around. This of you want that has made. I mean i think a lot of these. Those members were more politically conservative. But perhaps cross pressure right if republicans were going to be super ideological about it and take collective bargaining rights away from everybody. That would be one thing. But there's there's a kind of new new alignment happening. Obviously the law enforcers loved trump and vice versa But this now makes it may be easier for liberal politicians to see the situation as it exists. Yes should the obvious problem here. Is that people. People don't really wanna help violent sweat. I mean it sounds horrifying. It's like you're comparing our prison. Stats and you gotta look like maybe iran or north korea. it's like. Oh my god. John like we've got to do something but then it's like okay. You're actually talking about murder That's just seems like a hard so yeah it is. It isn't right. I mean we have about not in twenty twenty but the look at twenty eighteen twenty nine thousand nine or we had about as many murders per year as we had in nineteen seventy total not per capita total murders hundred billion people. Same number of murders But we had as many people in prison just for homicide in the two thousand teens as the entire. Us prison population in the nineteen seventies. Right and so our view on has changed right which means not something immutable we have gone. We viewed homicide as as a less. Throw away the key kind of offense and we remain an outlier worldwide in that in that respect and it flies in the face of all the data right we we know that as a general matter people age into an age out of violence is actually one of the reasons why i resisted using the term violent offender because it served makes you see my. This is who that person is this violent person but you know. I'm less violent now than i was when i was twenty eight. My hormone levels have shifted. My brain has matured. I'm just older and slower right our fast. I would have lost that fight. When i was twenty at forty five. I'm getting beaten down immediately. Write everything just aches in my kids. They be tired. I'm just tired and we know that this is a consistent pattern actually was pulled graphs from boston in the fifties chicago in the eighties. Canada in holland resigned this age profile people's engagement violence and you can't distinguish witchcraft. Comes from which place right. It's it's sort of a human constant And so what we've engaged in this incredibly punitive project that doesn't have in turkey support behind it and which isn't always treated violence guy anyway and and so things are bad right now. 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I i don't know to what extent people were explicitly following that logic as they ramped up. But it's it's certainly like one way of thinking about the the system. And then i think the other way of thinking about it. You know what you're saying is that prison has this Incapacitated effect fried. Somebody's in prison. They're not on the streets They may be committing crimes but if they are it's the victims are other prisoners. And maybe says don't care about that but when you have people serving like twenty year sentences or more you wind up getting. It's like a lot of middle aged people and older people. And you know it's like i just turned forty and we just like we. We all get soft right. Like there's very low chance that people into middle age are going to be committing serious violent crimes and the risks of having them out on the streets are just objectively pretty low and but the cost of imprisoning them remain very. I mean they're financially high. It's high it's high in humanitarian terms right so that like scales perfectly ten years versus twenty years but the fighting affect. Do you think you're going to have sort of fades out ya. So gary becker is actually the the chair my dissertation committee and i deem as one of the probably won the five or six greatest economists ever and you'd that paper on prisons as something that will come to view as probably one of the worst thing she ever wrote punches impact even though it is cited his nobel prize citation his argument was basically that like. You said it's perfect. Tradeoff that from deters point of view one hundred percent chance of one year in prison is exact same as fifty percent chance of two years or twenty percent chance of four years right the expected punishment on all cases one year and that will deter equally. And we now know psychologically speaking that that's just wrong. It's completely wrong do you. Do you have kids i do. I mean i've got one to a. It's just like this is like the total opposite of like parenting. I'm not to compare my six year old to her a murderer necessary. But you know if the kids misbehave all the time and they give you advice on how you're supposed to deal with it and like what they tell you. Is that like you have to be like no. Don't do that. Take the toy away right away but like don't be super harsh. Don't freak out this. Which away for for a week. You has no more of an impact right now than taking the situa- for tonight they're not at moment are having that that that tension did not able to think like well if i keep going. I'm allure for two days or four days or seven days those extra days do nothing is is what happens in the in that moment invited and that's sort of a general human constant right that is that the threat of being caught matters a lot more than that you know that for the risk i mean crime tends to be committed by young people right late teens early twenty s right key insurance companies got this for whom his car insurance the most pricey sixteen seventeen eighteen year old men right boys right there inserted through the roof because they are impetuous impulsive and they live in the moment. They're not thinking ten minutes down the line much less fifteen years on the line right and so it is clear that no we as a general matter had paid to focus much more on wrapping up severity and we don't necessarily spend on that certainty and that gets things completely backwards. I the weighed respond to rising. Homicide is not to lock people up longer right it doesn't give you deterrence and the qc will imprison long past when they pose a risk. So folks on upfront things. That can actually stop it right then in there in in the moment But yet you know in two thousand sixteen. When chicago had a budget crisis they cut the street level stuff and jacked up the punishments at the state level. You talk about the incentives facing prosecutors in in your book and i think this is driven a fair amount of sort of political moves to reform here. But you know i thought this is great pointers. Which is you know. I can look at statistics and say okay. The odds you know that this given person will reoffend are quite low but when you're talking about a country of millions of people by like somebody out of that pool is going to reinvent and then you get news story right so and so let's such such at of jail and then two weeks later he does this horrible thing and is going to write up a news story about like the five hundred other cases people who got out of prison. I mean some of them. Maybe their life turned out. Great some of them. I don't know they're having a hard time but like they're not killing anybody. There is not new in prison but like but but that's not that's not news friday so the the politics are tough you know because you you face this incentive to avoid the bad story of he let the bad guy at jail and then he did something bad right so the the the term user the crime world. It's called a willie. Horton effect serve after this notorious. Indeed presidential campaign where this kind of thing happened. Massachusetts had this furlough program that led people out of prison to stay connected to the communities. They come back you know. After the weekend or a week away and at the time of the campaign we knew that about ninety. Nine percent of all people released in massachusetts returned without incidents. Because i read an article in the christian. Science monitor published in aid. Saying it's about over ninety percents success rate but in a one person runs off. Willie horton he absconds. He runs off to maryland. He commits a brutal home invasion. He beats up the man of the house he rapes. The woman is out serving life without parole in in maryland and became the tortoise lee racist tv ad loss against caucus when he ran against bush for president as a side note. You can watch the horton ad on youtube and compared to the as running in twenty twenty twenty two thousand sixteen you can barely. The racism is actually would not make the top ten racist ads in the past five or six years which is a completely different far more depressing issue to think about but the idea was because ads are not making. Horton out to be terrifying. No scary black man's threatening voters it costs caucus election lowered really interesting things to unpack about that first. Political scientists had almost no impact on the election whatsoever that ucok actually outperformed what he should have done given all the other sort of more fundamentals of of eighty-eight right so we talk with this horton effect when the case itself that we talk about. There's no evidence that it actually mattered. And so i think there are to horton effects. Right one is that our politicians afraid that they make that one mistake. It'll haunt them absolutely right and we're the only country in the world that alexis prosecutors were the only country in the world that alexis judges are criminal. Legal actors are uniquely scared of this. That part is unambiguously true. Is much less clear that what they are afraid of is actually something to be afraid of. Right actually was another example of the willie horton effect. I years before the state released to people on furlough. Because most states have furlough programs. Until the horton add. Both of them committed murders on furlough. One of them killed a police officer. No the the police unions demanded end furlough programs. Prison officials over the governor said no a piece furlough programs. These programs are essential for re entry for rehabilitation. I'm going to stand by my furlough program and that governor was noted progressive ronald reagan whose crear was destroyed when he became. You know president right mike huckabee when he was governor he committed over. Thousand sentences is one of the most extensive commutations of any governor in modern times. One of whom went up to to oregon and murdered four police officers in the coffee shop. And you know huckabee has not become president like reagan did. But i don't think that is what has ended huckabee's and then there's other things have got huckabee's more saving huckabee but you know we had the sense that if we screw up. I'm gonna pay for on in fact during the debates about brooklyn's. Da elections a couple years ago. The acting j. Who's now our our current j erik. Gonzalez got up at a debate instead this openly. He's like. I will embrace bell reform. But i need you to promise me that that one guy does one thing wrong. You won't vote me out the next time you need to stand by me. These mistakes inevitably happened. They believe this. I just don't know if it's true right this weird thing where we talk. I myself am guilty as we talk about. This willie horton effects without really acknowledging that it might be actually empirically unfounded. Politicians might have a lot more room to take risks. And i think the best example that actually is is crasner actual i mean he's not reelected yet but i think he's got a pretty good shot his renomination rise. If you look at where he won he did best where the shootings were the highest right. So there's anything that should have been horn ising places that have the most violence under krizner's term were the place that out the most to vote for him which suggests that sterling local politicians have a lot of room to take that they might not think they can take right now and suddenly. I mean when you're when your book came out right in in two thousand seventeen Do y'all level of violence in the united states fallen a lot In the in the twenty years prior to that. And i think that it created an environment in which a lot of people were interested in rethinking up some of the costs of the criminal justice system and we had Conservative politicians you know in some cases embracing some of these ideas governor huckabee definitely an example of that. And you know people willing to say you know i'm going to. I'm going to bet on the math. He writes that you know we can. We can do something helpful. To a very large number of people we can save a lot of money There's some risk on the downside. But i i do think that part of that was that the overall levels of violence were were in decline right and created a sort of an easy easy. You know i. I shouldn't i shouldn't neglect. I mean it. It takes i think meaningful political courage to do something different at no matter what. The situation is But but crasner who was a district turning in philadelphia. He was running in a in a different context. Right which is that. There's been a very large increase In the number of people beat me over the past year that comes with people being much more concerned about violence and crime and what can be done in their community and you see at least a much larger potential For some kind of a backlash against that this didn't happen in in philadelphia Getting when i think you've made the point fairly persuasively that it's not like these reforms d. as Suddenly took over. Every city in america right The trend in the violence seems pretty consistent. Cross american Right yeah i think that's true. And i think the first thing is important to note about the reform as not only are they not everywhere does. There's a super consistent pattern. I seen the cities that elect them. Which is that there. Cities that don't have so prosecutors are elected by counties by cities but the progressive prosecutors tend to be in cities where the city and county are the same thing right so philadelphia is both the city and county San francisco's city and county baltimore. Saint louis brooklyn even smaller right in the place that have bigger counties. The city is an outside part of that county so chicago boston portland but these are places where the city is a huge chunk of the county. I think that's important right. Because what it means that the people who are experiencing both crime and the problems of enforcement together had the loudest voice. You're cutting out the the white suburbanites who seek crime as a problem to be punished but don't have to deal the costs of a bad policy right and so i think first of all it's important to see that the non random nature of where these progressive use have been elected tells alaba served how the politics of punishment work right the too often. Our politics are being driven by the people who bear the least amount of the cost of mistakes. But yes it will. We got the twenty twenty. We see that homicide rose everywhere right whether you had a progressive. Da or non progressive da. It didn't really matter. Your homicide rate went up and went up fairly much proportionate with every other city in the country way this point you're making it that the county boundaries and stuff is is important to gives people miss it right so in america. We have like this three tier government. We have states. We have counties. We have city is Then we have a couple of exceptions so like new york city encompasses five counties and then a few cities are co extensive. They the city is account. Ride so baltimore philadelphia san francisco I think are the big examples of that. St louis to saint louis. Okay then you have the other thing which is sometimes the city and the county merge so. That's like jacksonville in indianapolis. But that's more like you. Dissolve the city. Everything is the county right which is to say that allots important parts of suburban areas kinda in there And then you have the sort of more normal thing which is like the city of miami and then miami dade county and the cities and important part but not the whole thing and it can sort of vary from place to place in terms of chicago is the majority of cook county But cleveland is a smaller share of oga county so you can have a very african american city. Very african american electorate the people who are experiencing the problems of crime the problems of law enforcement but they don't have the political voice over who is the prosecutor which a lot of those votes are suburbanites. More insulated from all these issues. So you get this some variation but it's not. It's not really random. In terms of you know who wins and what happens but yes so. We've we've seen crime shootings really an interpersonal violence rise in almost every city. There's a handful of exceptions. I think baltimore and A couple others but what what makes like a reform prosecutor in in your view right if you if you do that analysis because it's obviously not a not like does not like an official pen that you get. No no i. In fact when i posted like my my graph of this or versus progressivism on on on twitter employer. Publish his of our i. I do it two different ways with two different definitions. And i give my list because i bit. My list is kind of my instinct. Plus talk to other people plus media coverage you don't have a clear definition in some ways. The term is almost impossible to use. Anyone can call themselves at progressive prosecutor. Everyone writing in new york city right now in manhattan now has described himself as being progressive but their views are radically different right At the bare minimum is the idea that we really shouldn't prosecute low level. Nonviolent crimes try move things. Misdemeanor cord divert more things. Perhaps tiny much smarter less aggressive on bail. I think as you move into the more serious categories of progressivism. You get your things. I- decriminalizing sex work right like refusing to prosecute cases against people accused of prostitution and other kinds of sex work offenses like that. Perhaps even changing how you punish serious violence know to his credit. Crasner is one of the few in philadelphia where he has started charging homicide cases. That would have been first degree murder under his predecessor. Their third under him right which moves it from life without parole to a standard minimum of ten years. I which doesn't change much policy-wise but it will significantly change. Prison populations no in ten or twelve years when people are start being released otherwise otherwise. Wouldn't i'm so is a fairly strong continuum. I think the bare minimum is kind of less aggressive towards drugs in nonviolent offenses more diversion and being better about bail and then you start moving to serve sex work and and serious violence as sort of the more progressive kind of end of things child. I'm on a chicken and take another break and ask a couple more questions about that. Are you good with people. Maybe you're organized or have a knack for numbers. Well then chances are you've got skills that can lead to a new career. A google career certificate can help you get a foot in the door with top employers in fast growing fields like it support project management data analytics and user experience design. It's professional level training developed in top google employees. And it's all online so you can learn around your schedule. Put your skills to work. Go to grow dot google slash certificates. This episode is brought to you by whine dot com. 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A lot of the progressive prosecutor moves seemed to me to deal with the lowest level offenses whereas my read of your book was look we really ought to do is look at the longest prison sentences and like the tailend years of the longest sentences are almost all pure waste in cruelty. Like no matter. How egregious the crime that the guy is doing thirty years for cutting down to twenty five is like just to win right. And it's like it. Sounds crazy delic- what you have to do is find like the most heinous offenders system and go easier on them but that this actually like really powerful logic to that that like the longest sentences are the most wasteful they do tend to go to people who've been convicted of serious offenses but like nonetheless like that is really where the senseless punishment is coming from. But like. that's that's not what progressive prosecutors are. Doing exactly yeah. I mean and to be clear on the people tend to think you have all these people serving incredibly long senses for even however maybe run for drugs. I think even job people serve really long sentences and in the federal system. They do that. Federal system is uniquely broken right but then time to release for a non violent crime. Drug or property is one year right so by of people in state prisoner out within a year. They're in there for a non violent crime even for a violent crime. The median time to release his about four years longer than non violent but not massive. The massive sentences are almost all murder right. So you'll be invert ten or more years in. I look at california. While ago and they for the weirdest of their laws day she had the fewest number in for murder for their long senses compared to most dates and for them about ten years. More over half or just murderer almost always serious violence that fifteen or twenty years. You gave seventy five eighty percent or in just homicide. The rest are attempted murder armed robbery rape. And so yeah. You're right. progressive. Prosecutors aren't crashes doing somebody's life without parole. The ten years that will pay ten years most aren't doing much but they're doing harm than the potential approaches are doing and i think it's also changing. What the political role is there. They are advocating for other approaches. Right if i think. They're much more willing to embrace things that can also reduce violence right late. Crasner has been very much no trying to get in front of things like safe injection sites and things that make serve no drug use and substance abuse disorders easier to manage that kind of progressive approach to other ethics policy will lead to fewer serious violence and so i just not part of their job is injust focusing on on hobby punched the series violent crimes but also being advocates for that policies that serve create a better situation to reduce violence directly right. I mean and i do think that. That's that's important. Because i mean you can show read that election. You know different ways writing. I mean one. Is you ride he. He won against a serious challenge. there was a lot of money in that race. There was a lot of attention. paid you know it was. It was not trivial. And he he went he won it. You know the other is you know. Pennsylvania is is a swing state. Right still adelphia is like the most liberal part of that whole if you want to continue to have like on some level right like you you you want state level policy to move in a in a helpful direction at what you can at least in in places where where it's viable and if you're winning tough races in philadelphia like that means that means you might you might lose them statewide And minimum like you would be desirable to show that you have like other approaches that that work right that you know i'm gonna i'm gonna do acts and it's going to. It's going to help people. I it's probably about a year ago. Jennifer dolly was on here talking about summer job programs which you know. It's like the demographic for doing crimes you can give those people other things to do right like an opportunity to get jobs and they are just less likely to commit offenses so they say when i say that like i think progresses need to take the crime the rise in violence seriously you know what i mean is not like completely turn back the clock on forums that we think are good but actually make sure that we are doing some of the things that are like okay. We have other ways to address this violence. But it's like i think it's important to pray at a time when the level of violence is rising. I think it's important to make sure that like you're actually doing them and that you're doing ones that that have reasonable prospects of success right. I think those things happen. I mean i think no patrick sharkey. Who's now at at princeton. Has this book called uneasy. Peace about the crime decline. What caused it. And one of his theories it really was the development these grass level community groups that can help rebuild and re stabilize neighborhoods. Are there wasn't flooding flooding. He's a police in the setting the prison that works in a in a very brute force unsustainable hanaway was our community themselves. Did a lot of really hard work. It's a rebuild their communities and we don't get any attention right. I think a lot of the work is there. But you know every article. I read on the rise in homicides. Day site the homicides. They mentioned the protest. They don't talk about covid and they asked police. So what do you think has caused. How do we fix this and the police immediately say well more of us in. That's what we need and they kind of ends and so i think there's a tremendous amount of work actually being done. It's just not getting the attention it deserves. And i think it no means if i it seems like there's there's no alternative there but for policing that's because we tend to give the please kind of priority access for for louis fringes discussion. Which we shouldn't do. I think and so i mean i mean what. What are the points that you make about. This right is it. There's a certain area I don't know what you call it. Exactly you know kinda ugly. It's like well. There's an interesting story about progressive. Prosecutor elected san francisco. Oh and there's also a lot more shootings in san francisco. So let's ask questions about why that is whereas i don't know what to do. You would point to like maybe talk. Maybe jacksonville jacksonville. Huge spike in homicides. No one talks about that so nothing interesting happened politically in jacksonville. They have republican mayor. I've no idea who the prosecutor is. It's the same stuff that was and they also have a big increase in shootings. And i have not seen a national newspaper. Parachute somebody into jacksonville to like ask. Hey what's up here right. exactly right. And so my concern becomes at that that framing we had this default instinct. They know reforms have to defend themselves in the way to the status. Quo doesn't right that you know. You can't adopt reforms. You can show that it works but no one says while the keep funding the police. Why don't they show us that. They're working in a cost benefit. Justifiable away right. There's a very systematic. Miss framing that that that takes place here so it looks like yeah. I'm looking at twenty two percent increase in in homicides in in jacksonville Which is which is law. I think it's actually. It's like historic highs whether highest homicide rates ever right. yeah wall. San francisco remains at near historic lows. Right to this hand wringing over san francisco had a decent sized increase but twenty nineteen was lowest homicide rate in recorded modern times right in that gets all this angst jacksonville historic highs. And we don't talk about them at all. But you wouldn't. I mean one question about this is the relationship to the pandemic right. I mean i could tell a story sort of following sharkey following old. Jay jacobs kind of paul i. I learned some of this from when i was in college. But it's like when people are sort at home and they're telling you like don't go out and all kinds of places of business close. There's nothing to do you. Just don't have like normal people like out and about Being present and you have this decline in sort of like non police informal surveillance right of neighborhoods and then you have. People who are still selected. Non rule followers outside doing stuff getting in fights starting shit getting into cycles of violence. So that kind of makes sense but in the question is will do we expect it to recede as things normalize because if we do then it's like okay like a lot of weird stuff twenty twenty We we can write it off. But i mostly hear from people that they don't expect it to automatically recede with the waiting the pandemic and so i. I wonder what your view on that. Yeah i think the challenge we face. I mean nothing is set in stone but Violence and lethal violence in particular. Can taibbi self sustaining. There's a study in chicago looking at our social networks in shootings other found that on average each shooting produce at least two to three subsequent shootings Over the next few years in retaliations inkatha retaliations. Sometimes you up to fifty shootings back to one initial shot. In one case they link something like three hundred substance shootings all kinds of spire from one initial bullet. Someone else in retaliation just spread his free hundred subject. People were shot at or shot or next three or four years in response right and so there. Is this concern that you can see violence in twenty twenty one in twenty twenty two. That's still is in many ways. Perhaps pandemic violence right that it is those in that initial spike kind of so working. Its way through. No very dense disrupted social networks. And obviously you can prevent that and there are better and worse ways to intervene. But i i. I don't think that will win the that homicide violence is not the kind thing right when the pandemic goes away everything goes back to normal and all that past violence just stops right. The the the the connection between years is a causal link over time between shootings last year in shootings this year. Because you you have the people who survived shootings. You have their friends. You have there. They're all still out there and these cycles continuing and sustain themselves way. So i mean that's i think just a big point that i want people to to kind of take away from like we can. We can argue about past causes. Want but we probably have to do something to step in and and break this and if we don't want that to be endlessly longer sentences. You have to sorta come to the table with some kind of ideas right. There seems to be some for the zam. Violence interrupters sort of like civilian Gang intervention kind of people. i feel like the evidence that is not like super high quality. But it's an idea that that could do something Getting people jobs is probably good. Probably good even if it doesn't impact violent crime P people should have gobs out. But i i wonder about this tactic of sort of easing up on enforcement against low level crimes. Because that it just doesn't seem to me as well supported by the evidence as some other things and i can imagine creating critic like a very disorderly situation in which people are sort of robbing cars for fun like eat. It creates a dangerous sort of sort of vibe out in cities. And i feel like it's something i feel like the idea that we need to not prosecute property crimes is an idea that like is in the neighborhood of john fass but like is not really. What your book says. Yeah i mean. I don't come down in my book one way or the other house you. How are the catching low level enforcement and subsequent. No serious crimes no there. There was a study recently looking at data from boston. Pre preformed boston basis are random assignment to the. Da was gonna prove your case a little over cases right so you know people kinda get. Signs energy. did the prosecutor randomly case. He assigned randomly. Some gays took misdemeanor court really seriously some age as did not take seriously. And so your your punishment for for misdemeanor. Cases are randomly determined by who you just got assigned you and founded being assigned to the less aggressive days had no impact on feature offending But did reduce your risk of other feeling implications right suggesting that a lot of misdemeanor enforcement provided no safety of did disrupt lives very seriously. I also saw bird the other day. Showing that sir. Random police stoppings of little bit. Forcement similarly didn't lead to any subsequent increase in crime. There there are a fair number of paper showing that this so-called ferguson effect right that you insult the police too much they pull back and they don't do their job and that leads to crime that that you know. There's no question that in homicide there's other studies showing there's generally no real change in in crime when the police are backing random kind of ways in so i think the data increasingly shows that this kind of low level stuff that animated the broken windows idea sort of doesn't really have a lot of benefit is also important to realize that broken windows is a term that's used to completely different things right. There's broken windows as it was described in the initial which is not actually how they did it which is actually kind of cover up the graffiti literally placing windows putting brighter lights in. That does work right. Doctors are making neighbors physically. More appealing and brighter and safer works. Broken windows is harassing every young person. Especially pass you that. The data consistently shows has at best. No effect at worst actually is mildly. Harmful i almost three different things said when under the name broken windows wide like one is about this sort of physical appearance of the of the built environment. The second was. I think the nypd hadn't either for a while that if you did a lot of arrests for trivial offenses That you could capture a lot of illegal firearms right that that was that was attacked because the nature of a concealed gun is that you can't see it but if you just like arrest everybody then you can search them and then you find the illegal guns and then at least the claim is that removing illegal guns from the street is reducing murder. It's not actually that like arresting people for jumping the turnstile right reduces murder. But it's that sort of giving the police x-ray vision that was like the best that could come up with and then the other is the idea that low level arrests per se have kind of benefit And and that was what that study of the the suffolk county prosecutor's office sort of cuts again strike was saying that it's it can get really bad for your life To go to prison for even a short of time So we should maybe have a higher bar for for when we do that to people at the same time i mean. It seems a little unsatisfied to say. Well you know we have thousands of extra people being being murdered over the past year and Don't really know we don't really know what to do about it. Yeah but i don't think it is that we don't know what to do about. I mean like you said we understand that things like providing them with things to do. Get them off the streets. So they're they're dirt engage employment longer school after school activities things that provides structure. We know these things can reduce violence but they they don't do it in the satisfying way that putting someone in handcuffs and saying we responded to. This does right. They're not reactive. They're more proactive and again probably proactive. Is that you still face. The politics of this horton facts right. But we know that you know drug treatment plays a big role to states. That adopted medicaid expansion saw huge drops in crime. The first year of medicaid expansion because of access to to non drug court drug treatment. I think are lots of problems out there. Providing more stable home might not might reduce inclination a fan but also remove targets from the street in a homeless person now is housing there to be victimized in in the first place right. They're not out there at night. Where vulnerable and so. I think we know that there are. There are lots of things to do. It is just that you know we have to encourage people to embrace doing it that way rather than the conventional approach and. I think you've seen a shift in that direction. You are seeing places being more willing to adopt non police responses and things like homelessness and mental health but doing in the context of sort of a crime reduction perspective was suggested we are being appreciate that you know along the lines drawn chain kremlin the one side and social services and other are kind of not exactly the right line to to draw all overlap right and you know i mean well. I hope i hope we can. We can come up with with things that that work. I mean i'm. I'm super interested in in homelessness. As as as an issue which you know i mean has a service component you know has often become a law enforcement topic but is not well handled there But which really does just you know it comes back to housing policy right and making sure we have a assistant which at least you know. Most people are able to afford a place to live Rather than you know. How do we police those. Who don't how do we make sure people are not in that situation in in the first place a actually maybe another related for example. How we can think about these things. But don't know there's not all that much. Evidence is very weak evidence showing that fat economic conditions in general lead to more violent offending. There's some increase problem knowledge increase in violence but there is evidence that arrival economic uncertainty can lead to violence right that ino status are durable poverty right. The impact of violence isn't necessarily at the levels of be higher. But it's not going to change much. But when you face unexpect- economic uncertainty that creates translates stress and strain and that can lead to violence especially say domestic violence right so we could have responded to cove it in a much different way right. We were profoundly stingy compared to the rest of countries around the world and that no wealthy countries and that meant that we created an environment that was going to breed violence right. We view this economics over here heim over there but our decision to not write checks and not write checks not checks and just make people suffer. Do unemployment numbers that we've never seen before that has crime causing impact and we know that has a crime causing impact and we know this is established that we serve chose to ignore it because the national politics of it right but some of the crime followed that we will be dealing with for years from now comes from our inability to take advantage of what we know about economic uncertainty and economic instability and crimes. And pretend that wasn't true. As the pandemic of up ended the entire sort of economic system for for millions of people. But i mean. I do think right. I mean it would be. It would be nice if you know those kinds of material factors you know. We're like an overwhelming lever on violence at crime. But i mean we really did see Violent crime rates continuing to drop through the sort of smallish two thousand one recession through the very severe Two thousand eight. I mean i. I have a lot of concern. At that time. That was really bad. Economic situation it lasted for a long time But fortunately i mean for whatever reason we sort of had mostly mostly good news in in terms of violence then and that really actually set the stage for a lot of reform right in up slightly perverse way like states were feeling a lot of budgetary pressure But like violent crime continued to decline. So i think it became much more acceptable in mainstream political circles. To say you know we got a look at what we can but we can pare back here. See what i think is like so important about your buck is trying to caution people off certain level of like wishful thinking about this whole problem that like just like harmless pot smokers and like really sympathetic defendants are going to get the work done of sort of being more humane and i don't want people to fall into it different but i think similar kind of trap of being like wow the economy's going to get better at the pandemic's gonna go away. These these problems are gonna get a abate because you know if we want to have interpersonal safety and who want to have an environment in which people can think more humanely about what we're doing. We still do. Have a kind of a big issue on her hands. Yeah i mean. I think you're i think it's important was realized that you know there isn't an easy solution to this especially on the political front but i think it's also i think it's really important to appreciate how little evidence we have about how well pleasing prisons actually reduce crime right that that they certainly or or or maybe their little more carefully. I do think there's this problematic framing some people on the left sometimes use the saying will please don't reduce crime period. That's clearly not true. Right policing does reduce crime. More cops does the less time but more police leads to less crime at in extremes are social costs and social costs you'd never really measured very carefully and so the question is in no do cops reduce crime is do cops reduce crime enough over the options that we have to make focusing on them the right way to go and i think framed that way. The defensive policeman comes much harder. The have social costs and realize every cost benefit analysis. You've seen on policing compares the crime reduction of policing to the budgetary costs of policing. How much do we spend on cops. Which means george floyd's death doesn't show up in these cost benefit analyses rights emotional strain of black parents. Having to talk with their kids and their kids are afraid just to see the cop down the street not necessary because he's going to kill them to harass them right. Plenty of black man has described. Stop and frisk as basically a assault or the push against the wall. They tend to grab your growing and grabbing really like humiliating as a these are these are real costs that we we just don't measure and that there is in fact a large body evidence about things like drug treatment and economic support. An after school programming inks media organizations and even like restricting access to alcohol making just harder and more expensive to get alcohol. The single biggest drug for crime is alcohol. There are things that we can do and that we know we can do but we still tend to instinctively just asked the police. What should we do and we still tend to view the police as kind of objective discussing of what's going on. They're not are a very powerful political interest group. That's fueling incredibly threatened and they are going to argue that the solution is more of them and it's not and there are things we can do. We just need to get make this point stronger. So politicians feel more comfortable more compelled to try to embrace these things on a on a much bigger scale. John fast From university professor of law the book is locked in detroit. Causes of mass incarceration and how to achieve we'll reform I really commended it to people who want a good sort of grounding in what the the big drivers of mass incarceration are what. This whole kind of topic is thank you so much for joining me. Thanks as always to our sponsors producer. J. necas in the weeds. We'll be back on tuesday.