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20200612 Nicole Sandler Show - Stolen Democracy with Former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman

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20200612 Nicole Sandler Show - Stolen Democracy with Former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman

"The. Following program contains graphic material including offensive language fewer. This questions advised. Cheese got the news. She talks with news makers. She encourages us to laugh. And she cries with US speaking truth to power and Questioning Authority daily. It's the Nicole Sandler show. All Right? Hello and welcome to A. Friday. Oh I love it when we make it to the end of the week. I was GONNA. Say unscathed, but there's nothing unscathed about what we're all going through right now. All right well, it is Friday and today's the day. I have been looking forward to for quite some time because as you know over the last. Month or two I've spoken with former Alabama. Governor Don Siegelman on a few occasions I've also been reading his new book. The book is called stealing our democracy. How the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation and let me tell you it does indeed it does. I finally finished reading the book last night. And I it made me cry. Because what happened to a really good man should never have happened to anybody in this country it is. It is a travesty and even bigger travesty perhaps is that this story has not been screamed from the rooftops in every city around the nation now i. When this happened to Don Siegelman during that time I was doing talk radio here in south Florida then I moved to Air America where we covered this incredulously and as much as I remember most of the details most of what happened as this all went went by reading the. And reading a governor Siegelman a explanation of what happened. Just. Seeing all the behind the scenes maneuvering and what was done to this man is. Just reprehensible, it makes me so angry, and and so I, invited, the governor backed today to really go in depth into his story, because we've heard it in bits and pieces and bits and spurts, and the book lays it all out I want you to buy the book. It is officially released this coming Tuesday. It's available for preorder, and all those usual places but you must read this book and stick around. Because Governor Siegelman will join us in just a couple minutes We got a little bit of news to take care of and I want to play for you electric. Try to start each show with something, lighthearted and fun. something to give us perhaps a little laugh if that's possible in this day and age So and what I've been playing mostly over the last few months are a song parodies that that I found online mostly people dealing with the covid infection in a somewhat humorous way One is something different. It's an old friend Jill. So buell, who's been on this program many times, and is an old friend of mine from back in my music radio days in Los Angeles and she posted this video to her website last night. and and it just it works on water levels in especially works with what we're dealing with today, so we'll open the show officially with this new song from Jill, so buell and it's called owning the libs. You can guess where she's going with this one. Take it away Jill so buell. Here we go I, think no. No, it doesn't WANNA play. I'm owed no best laid plans, and all that you know what for some reason I'm not getting any audio out of there, which is really weird so I'm GonNa just. I'm going to have to play for you. The the audio version of the song because I can't tease you like that and then not play it for you so. Here, we go, Joe. You'll. Oh, no! Give me one more second oh best late. You knew I couldn't get through a show without a technical problem today right all right final final. Go here we go. You'll get it to the lives. Land. Called Kid. We're. Proudly given live. Church last Sunday. You know what did and. By given to live. Given to the calls. To whereas. Here. I try drugs me blah. Blah Blah no not sick. Campaign Gobble better way. Given. The, holly where. He got double check yet. US. Out with the how will be at Gold Kid? Wing touched seven. Thank that. Three weeks later. Wall up is moaning. Bill Brain. Your Iraq. Now. When. The nursing whereas a garbage. Next me instead. I'll give an soon. Poor husband to. This work! You. Went to church this Sunday. A new. Bag? Sue Live. How That is. Chill Chill Buell and she's just awesome. Given to the libs, a little bit of entertainment to a little bit of levity in light of our crazy situation. Great stuff always from job. You'll all right little bit of news before we get to a governor Siegelman and It is what's going on is just astounding. And I'M NOT GONNA. I'm not gonNA spend too much. You can always listen to what's news which is posted at Nicole Sandler Dot Com and also a podcast so here we go little bit of what's happening today. All right I'm not going to get into much of it because I want to get to Governor Siegelman, but let's start with this. Looting has broken out in Washington. DC again and this time. We knew it was going to happen treasury. Secretary Steven mnuchin is now flat out refusing to disclose the businesses that received five billion dollars in bailout funds through the paycheck protection program, claiming the information is confidential, four and a half million businesses received government funds, and normally the Small Business Administration Discloses the names of Borrowers from the program on which base the P. P P but statement to Mnuchin said his department considered that information, proprietary and confidential. Wow. And this, actually this has a little bit of bearing on some of what I'll be talking to the governor about the Republican led Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday authorized its chair Senator Lindsey Graham to subpoena former Obama administration officials about the origins of the intelligence communities investigation into Russian election meddling in a party line vote the panels Republican majority approved calling former director of National Intelligence James Clapper former CIA director John Brennan and the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded. In stunning study recently, which might be also one of the reasons why Richard Burr was pushed out the the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded that Russia did try to interfere on the thousand sixteen election on trump's behalf. But, but but Lindsey. Graham wants to also look into foreign surveillance applications, and why former special counsel Robert Muller was appointed in the first place, so they're are issuing all these subpoenas of course if you remember back to the molar, investigation. All of the trump administration officials denied the subpoenas. So the Democrats of course are suggesting that they subpoena as well some current and former trump allies including former attorney general. Jeff sessions and trump's son-in-law and senior adviser. Jared Kushner. Also just heading down to Louisville Kentucky from the Metro Council there voted unanimously yesterday to ban the type of no knock search warrants that police were using when they fatally shot Brianna Taylor, of course, the unarmed black emergency medical technician in her apartment, while she lay sleeping in her bed on March thirteenth, her boyfriend fired I thinking the officers were intruders well the Mayor Greg Fischer who suspended the use of those no knock warrants. Last month said he'd signed Brianna 's law immediately, tweeting out the risk to residents and officers with this kind of search outweigh any benefit that's true, but I want to know why those three cops who shot and killed. Brianna Taylor are all still walking around. Two more quick items Donald Trump appeared last night or yesterday in Dallas Texas, and an event billed as a race roundtable that he was allegedly gonNA lead it was held at a conservative and predominantly White Church in Dallas at which trump praised the national guards use of tear gas and other forceful measures to disperse Minneapolis crowds who were protesting police brutality against African Americans. He described the effort to quell a protest as a quote beautiful seen. And described where the national guard walk through like a knife cutting butter. Now trump did not mention the name George Floyd, but he said that the work of confronting bigotry would go quickly, and it'll go very easily providing we, we avoid falsely labeling tens of millions of decent. Americans as racist or bigots. You gotta be kidding me, and by the Way Dallas Texas has a black police chief, a black sheriff and a black district attorney, and none of them were invited to participate in a round-table on race and policing held in Dallas Texas with the president of the United States. It is just unbelievable. And now we learned that the orange menace will accept his Republican nomination in Jacksonville Florida in August instead of in Charlotte North Carolina, as originally planned because Donald trump wants a big crowd. He wants a pack convention center with no masks by the way and north. Carolina's Democratic Governor, said Hell no the instances of Covid, nineteen or spiking. You're not doing this in my state, and so the Flora da man chief governor of Rhonda Racist I'm Santa's obviously cares more about appeasing trump than the health and safety of Florida's citizens, so now Republican delegates will elect their nominee from Charlotte, where most of the convention. Business will still happen, but trump will make his acceptance speech three states away and front of what he expects will be a packed arena filled with without masks. But this date also coincides with another horrible day. In history in Jacksonville. It's the sixtieth anniversary of the at of ax. Handle Saturday when a white mob organized by the clan attacked mostly black civil rights protestors who were sitting at Jacksonville's whites, only lunch counters. Can this administration be that tone deaf? And and you know this is not the first instance with the campaign trail long before that with his first stop scheduled in Tulsa Oklahoma the site of one of the worst acts of racist violence. This country has ever seen next Friday a week from today. That is June nineteenth June teen a day that commemorates the end of slavery in the United States. Again. They knew what it meant and. Say. You know they knew they knew of the Tulsa history, they knew of the date but they didn't think the backlash would be so bad. Right. By the way. If you want tickets to that Tulsa rally, you can now get them. The campaign formally offered supporters the chance to register to attend, but they're requiring that anyone wishing to go. I agree not to sue the campaign or the venue. If they contract covid in nineteen, I kid you not the online sign up page, says anyone clicking to register for free tickets acknowledges that there is an inherent risk of corona virus infection quote by attending the rally you in any guests voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to Cova Nineteen and agree not to hold. Donald J trump for President Inc box center ASM Global, or any of their affiliates, directors, officers employs agents, contractors, or volunteers liable for any illness or injury. That's how little regard this president holds his supporters. Forget about the people who don't like him. This is what he's doing to his supporters. They could get sick, so what as long as they're cheering me on? Our system is broken horribly so and you think it only started during the Bush during the. Floor, Freudian slip there during the trump administration. You're sorely mistaken and this hour we will. Relieve you of those notions. We're just going to get right to him I promised. You Governor Don. Siegelman and I'm thrilled that he joins me now. Hello Governor how you doing. I'm doing great Nicole. I could listen to you all day long. Thank you. It is both informative and I was smiling most of the time, because if if anybody does it believe that our democracy is being stolen just need to listen to your broadcast. I mean. How can the Treasury Secretary? Keep from the public how they're spending five billion dollars loads. Of our money and you know what this what this was. Brought up in the negotiations over the cares act that the that the the the businesses that received the P P P funds had to be disclosed, and they sorta just pushed it off, pushed it off, pushed it off. And and frankly a shame on me. I didn't follow it closely enough, but if I had I guess I would have seen that Steven. MNUCHIN never agreed to make that information public as has always been done in the past. Well let me let me I'm GonNa jump from here. Of back to beyond a Taylor and of the three police officers who? Shot and killed her. And the reason they're still walking on the street is covered in my book stealing our democracy and let me explain. Explain why this is. while. My Book is relevant to what has happened to George Floyd Eric Gardner. Trayvon Martin and so many others that have been killed before and sets. It is because. OUR OUR SYSTEM I grand jury system allows prosecutors to set. Cops who kill people free in the secrecy of a grand jury they could be no build by not presenting evidence to the grand jury that they're guilty, but by presenting evidence to the grand jury that makes the homicide look like is justified, and that's why we see so few. Police who have been involved in fatal shootings and innocent citizens convicted charged with anything and so. In my book stealing our democracy I talk about reforming our justice system. One of the key elements is to ensure that. Both targets have grand jury such as myself as I was back in two thousand and. Two, through eight or whatever it was Or the family members of victims such as beyond Taylor or Eric Gardner, or are George Floyd have the right to have a lawyer present in the grand jury as a check on truth now. Why do we need a check on truth? Because there is no judge president, it is a secret proceeding and the United States Supreme Court has given blanket immunity to prosecutors. To willfully and intentionally present false evidence or withhold exculpatory evidence to get an indictment or conviction. This up now in the in the Los Angeles Times on January the fourth, January the V, two thousand and ten the. Legal correspondent for the Times reported that. President. Obama's lawyer argued to the United States. Supreme Court yesterday January the fourth, thousand and ten that US. Citizens do not have a constitutional right not to be frame. Ahead we need to. We need to just stop on that for a second. Because that's one of the many things that I dog eared the page and highlighted in your book. President. Obama's Solicitor General. Made this argument that US citizens do not have the constitutional right not to be framed. It's also been embedded in congressional, actually federal towards claims which also limits gives gives prosecutors free hand to. Present evidence to get a conviction or to get an indictment, they they now let me. Let me say two things one. Elena Kagan. Had Her deputy. Make the argument and it was a legal it is. It wasn't as illegal fact. You as citizens can be framed, but the fact of the matter is. The solicitor. General did not have to take that position she could have. She could have taken position and said. You know this is the law today. Because of a nineteen seventy six court decision, but we're asking you to change that decision today. This this involves two black man who spent twenty five years in prison for a crime. They didn't commit. They were suing for monetary damages now. Let me take you one step further into the legal minutia and I'll get out of it. This is I. But in a legal in a civil civil deposition, where monetary damages are. Lawyers from both sides having opportunity to act to evidence that the other side seeks to introduce. Or testimony and a judge decides whether or not it can be introduced well. That's where money is involved, but. Shouldn't we have that same legal protection? Where someone's life and liberty is at stake? Yeah, the yeah, so. That's one of the recommendations making my book, but if anybody needs proof. That! Our, democracy that our democracy is they don't believe that our democracy is being stolen. You know look at what's going on today here. You Have Donald Trump, calling in the military to go out and and. Gas protesters because he wants to have a photo or you know. Bill Bar has made so many decisions that underscore that the Department of Justice can be politicized or can be weaponized of. To a presidents will and we've simply got to. Hold. Both police prosecutors and presidents accountable for their abuses of power so far we have done a miserable job of that absolutely but. That's that's an understatement. Governor Don. Siegelman of course is our guest, the book stealing our democracy how the political assassination of governor threatens! Our nation officially hit stores on Tuesday and again it is it is, it is a tale that should be taught in schools to show the breakdown of the rule of law that shows how corrupt individuals can game a corrupt system, and how the protections that are supposed to be in place are not there so governor. I set aside a lot of time today we have the whole rest of the hour and then some. If we need it, I really WanNa go through your story, because as I said at the beginning of the show I. I remember when this was happening to you. I was doing talk radio here in Florida, then on your America and and you know, listen to what happened in disbelief. When you got sent back to prison, we'll get to this. It was just a I mean it was a knife through my heart. I can only imagine what it did to you. L. I saw some in that reading the book and getting into your head in and how this affected you and your your wonderful family? It's just what was done to. You is just just horrible, and so I do want it for their a Lotta time has passed in. There are a number of people who've come to. Embrace the news and politics late after what's been going on new world? That may not know your story, and it's so important that they know what was done to you. 'cause we're seeing it sort of repeating itself with the trump administration as his cronies and his sycophants. Are possibly worse than than bushes, but i. you know it bothers me when I see in comparison to Donald Trump, people saying oh Bush wasn't so bad well. He was that bad and the people he surrounded himself with. Were that bad, so let's start with the beginning. You were a very popular Democrat in Alabama you were secretary of state. You worked away up to attorney general then Lieutenant Governor, and eventually became governor, and you were so popular, not only among the Democrats, but among Republicans to that, your name was being floated as a potential Democratic presidential candidate for two thousand four. That's until Karl Rove got involved right. Right. And I want to. Give some perspective because. My. Being elected to public office wasn't an easy feat, considering that I was running in probably the most conservative, but one of the most conservative states in the in the country and you know, I was I was a a Robert. Kennedy Jane Fonda Democrat. Eddie you are a progressive and I need to make that clear to the people listening. There are some Democrats. Doug Doug Smith has a cameo in your book the current Senator from from Alabama, who who is a Democrat, but not a progressive. You are a progressive. You're one of us and that's why I take it so personally. I'm sorry continue. Well I was I was elected to the National Board of the Americans Americans for Democratic Action. Noted Liberal Organization grew out of the Socialist Movement in the forties. I was elected to their national board in nineteen seventy. One I worked in the dump Johnson Movement I worked in the L. Rowan Lowenstein. You ran for Congress and on Long Island. At graduate from Georgetown went to Oxford England One of the former governors told me I should tell everybody that was Oxford Mississippi. They'd like that a whole lot better that. I came back into worked against George Wallace's attempt to take over the State Democratic Party but anyway I found myself. Being elected was drawn into public office, because I wanted to change things and make things better for people. And I! I did have a good run was the longest running elected a Democrat in the southeast at the time that I decided that I'd had enough of George Bush's war policies is senseless, education, economic policies and that I I had to enter the primaries starting in South Carolina. As a southern progressive kind of along the lines of Carter and Clinton to break the the Republican stronghold on the South and. I think he was at that point that call rogue decided enough is enough. And I was targeted for prosecution by. Koros client. The State Attorney General now. If you want me to I can. I can go ahead and go through a litany of grove connections to my case, but I wanted to give you a chance to go ask. Different Greg. Thank you and I. I need to correct myself to things. It was five hundred billion dollars in the program. I said five billion first because the number so astounding and I just wanted to make that correction because it was five hundred billion dollars that they were used to tell us where it's going. And the senator from Alabama is Doug Jones Not Doug Smith I was having a brain fart I'm please. Common. I knew. I Hate I hate when I get something wrong. I like to like to correct it and please do point out if I screw something up. But yes, the tangled web around Karl Rove is important because the people that he enlisted to carry out his dastardly deed We're all involved throughout your whole time in in Politics Alabama from Laura Canary. The prosecutor to her husband, who worked so so do tell us the players because. I mean we do a flow chart. Because there are a number of them involved. Let me, let me let me say two things. First of all. They're baby people listening who are not familiar or not familiar enough with Karl Rove right. He. He. He was he was the architect. They say Bush's brain. See he was Bush's brain. During Bush's presidency. He was a political operative. He was he was raised about Lee Atwater, and but he has a sordid past that goes back to Richard Nixon when he worked in the Nixon White House doing dirty tricks I of even before then, but he worked as a work with George. Hubert Walker Bush in his reelection. In Nineteen ninety-two. His his sidekick hit the guy who was in charge of the ground. Troops for the Bush quayle campaign was Billy Canary Right. The IT worked. It worked with Reagan and Bush in anyway so. After the ninety two election after they lost to Bill Clinton and Al Gore. They? Rose and billy came to Alabama and because billionaire he had a girlfriend there. They decided they could set up a political shop in Alabama. Start over, and so they did rove move through of Rosemary Beach in the Gulf coast and Billy Canary Moves to Alabama they both married Alabama goals and settled in for the long haul to rebuild their political future by taking over the Alabama Supreme, court. I had I had of course. Indirect run INS with with them periodically from nineteen, ninety four, until the year two thousand and two, but in two thousand, nine, hundred, ninety nine after I'd been elected governor. I was an investigation was started by Carl rose client the attorney general. Bill Pryor who now sits on an anti these the chief judge of the Eleventh Circuit of Spring of the Alabama. The Court of Appeals. In Atlanta. And When my, when I was running for office in two thousand and two. The night of the election, my I one but. A second and third set of returns were produced by the. PROBATE judge Sheriff in circuit clerk that a essentially wiped out sixty two hundred mile votes and gave the election to buy opponent again just just to stress. What happened here that the polls closed the first you know the the precincts counted you. Were you one It was eleven o'clock at night. Everyone went home later on. All of a sudden new numbers came from the Republican. Headquarters or something where. Somebody in the dead of night, switched the numbers from a few of the polling places, and all of a sudden you were behind, and and they certified those numbers before the deadline without anybody ever seeing those ballots. Yes. I. When I realized what was what was happening that there were stealing the election. I I called and requested. A hand recount of the paper ballots in this one precinct. Where my votes went missing, right? Before we could get to this South Alabama county the next morning. The State Attorney General Koru client had has seized the ballots and sees the cassettes at from that are from the the voting machines in each count in each. took all of the election supplies and went to Montgomery and certified the opponent as a winter. Noted illegally because they weren't supposed to be counted or certified until. Friday noon after the election right of. The the misery. Starts to unfold a little more clearly. When? We have evidence that Jock, Abramov, who's a one of Karl Rove's? Three College Republican buddies the other to grover norquist. And Ralph Reed Non Lane Aunt. But all three of them were involved in funnelling. Twenty million dollars of Indian casino money. From Mississippi in Alabama. In an effort to defeat me and to defeat. A ballot initiative which I had proposed, which would have provided for Free College Education for all of Alabama's children out right in a free universal. pre-k or Early learning now this this Education Fund, this ballot initiative was four a lottery which many states have lotteries state lotteries go to benefit education and this was a project. This was a pet project of yours that you had been working on for a long time and they they chose that. To go after you on and keep in mind again that this was a state lottery. Program you wanted to put into effect to benefit education in your state, and they turned it around and accused you of taking a bribe. This the bribe was the broad. The Co was was based on a campaign contribution to the ballot initiative. Of to the Campaign Fund for the Ballard Initiative Right. And it was alleged that I had. Made a deal to put this contributor. Back on board. From which he resigned by the way back on a board on where she had served for twelve years under three previous governors. A? Go back to, but he did it because I asked him to. It was not like this is a favor. You give me a contribution I'm going to name you to this board here. Already served on it and he really didn't WanNa. Do it anymore, but he said he would because you asked him to. Write. You said he would do it for year. No more and that was. That's what he did, but. There was no allegation of any self-enrichment Schemer, no allegation of any Personal benefit to me whatsoever, but the judge told the jury that they could could could consider the contribution. To the ballot initiative as a thing of value to me, because is supported free college education for the for our kids, and that was that was the source of the money for the for the. Education, okay Sir you're talking. They're saying that constituted a quid pro quo. Now we've all learned a lot about would pro quo through the deal with the Ukrainian President Donald Trump said you open an investigation into Biden, and we'll give you the the the the the financial aid that you've been needing. That's quid pro quo. What you? Express Express with pro quo. and. That's the kind of quid pro quo that the Supreme Court. said in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, one in the McCormick case would constitute a broad right, but yet when the Senate. The Republican Senate were confronted with that. They changed one hundred years of history and said Oh. No, that's not a bribe, but in my case when there was no quid pro quo, and there was no personal benefit, I was convicted and sent to prison for eight months of for trying to help the kids Valhalla, but it was all thought it was just as an attempt to get me out of the way because they didn't want me in that two thousand four presidential rice, but the you know. I. So. Comparisons. We made one to the quid pro quos, mind, non existent and trump's. Yeah, but the other the other point of this is. And one that I wanted to make in the book. I think I did is that a the Department of Justice can be used as a political weapon. It was during the Bush administration to come after me. They also went after Jim Doyle. In A. MINNESOTA. Not Sure! He wasn't a governor from. A democratic governor as well and. And then they they fired Republican US attorneys. Who would not go laughter Democrat right? We remember that bolster the Republican. And, these were US attorneys who had been appointed by George W Bush. They weren't holdovers from the Democrats. It was his own appointees who were doing his political bidding enough so they they had a mass firing, and that was a big controversy that I remember very clearly well, this is all. Sorry, go back continue. There were there were seventeen editorials in the new. York, times about my case about the need to. Investigate Karl Rove's involvement. And John. Conyers, blessed soul was was. Hot on the trail, he was the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and he he wanted to call Rove to testify under oath about the firing of the Republican US attorneys and also the The selective prosecution and political misconduct prosecutorial misconduct case. Off. Rove. Never! Would never agree to testify under oath. And unfortunately, when when President Obama was elected, they gave him a pass allowed him to. Talk to speak to Adam shift. As a member of the house. Committee but not under oath, and even during during that time they asked him about. Billy Canary. He said I. Don't know if I remember him or not. Well. Clearly he was lying, but he wasn't under oath, so wouldn't make any difference, and then they ask him about another one of his his deputy at the white. House or Namus Kitty McCulloch or Kelly Kimbro. Name! Any claimed he didn't really know who she was either, but she was not only working with the White House she was working to him on the ground in Alabama. Overseeing directly overseeing by. A Re election in two thousand and two. She was sitting at the desk with the Republican Party chairman when they called the Baldwin County probate judge said. y'All got to do something about this vote in Baldwin County or otherwise, our candidate for governor is going to lose. Encirclement is going to win. It was then that they went back in and made the change in the vote total, after which again call rose quiet, sees the ballots before they could be counted, and and took them away and certified. My opponent is winter at that point, governor. Somebody should have stepped in who should have stepped in to fix this mess at that point. Well at that point. That was two thousand and to the White House and the Justice Department. And the US Attorney's were controlled by George. W. Bush, but you think you would think that the DNC. Or members of Congress would have gotten. So exercised about this. That, they would have. Started an investigation and would have demanded that those ballots be turned over to somebody so we can have a recount. And that never happened, but nothing was done amazing so. You know the the point. The point I want to make is the point of making my book, is it? My election was hot. It was it was done through a computer, and it was the guy that took credit was a there was a staff member of Bob. Riley's my opponent, who claimed he was a an elections? security specialists trained by the software company that operated the machines in Baldwin County. Any went to work immediately after the election for a Jack Abramov tolerance. Related of. Lobbying firm, the Alexandria group. He was anyway. So the point is the point I want to make is that elections can be stolen today through hacking at. It doesn't have to be the Russians. Could be call Rove's buddy, or it could be somebody else's and now back to the point I made at the beginning of your program. We now know that that that President Bush has extended a hand, or maybe I didn't make this point I wanted to call. Joy. Not George Bush dot Karl Rove But But the orange the orange. Orange Mountain see us. President trump is extended a hand to Karl Rove to come to the White House they have. And made up. Because they were, they were agree at each other in two thousand and sixteen and now. Why would why would? Why would president trump need Karl Rove because he is a whiz kid at. Stealing or or causing? Elections to fall to Republicans young. Direct direct evidence in Alabama in nineteen, ninety four. When he when I say, he stole election for the Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court by getting some two thousand. what I thought were were valid. Absentee ballots thrown out, and then he was involved of course in creating the chaos around the two thousand election between Bush and Gore Florida. and. He is an expert. At this in two thousand and twenty when we're going to see a massive number of absentee ballots being cast, you can bet that Karl Rove will have people at every county courthouse throughout the country. To Challenge. Absentee ballots that are coming in from democratic controlled pre-sex. They're gonNA try to suppress. And have as many of those ballots thrown out as possible to help swing the election back to Donald trump the other thing you can watch. Is that Ralph Reed? With his bogus Christian coalition is probably going to be trying to Get the Evangelical. Christian ride involved in the in the trump campaign and he'll be beating those drums to to get out the vote. so we got. We got job on her hands to. Protect our democracy, and that's what again that's what my book is about right, and that's why it's imperative that people know what happened to paraphrase trump You know if you. IGNORE HISTORY! You're bound to repeat it. We need to not only make sure this is not repeated, but I think Karl Rove and Bill Canary and Laura. Canarian everybody involved with what they did to. You needs to be held to account, but we'll get to that so. Two thousand two. Your reelection was derailed because they stole it from you, and then while you're living within your indicted. Now. We know what. We've got to. We've got a little little more Buckingham. Showing in in two thousand and three, when my Republican opponent took over as governor. He immediately proposed a tax increase that even the state Republican Party opposed. His popularity dropped the the political surveys that were immediately around that period of time, showed that in a head to head contests with me in two thousand six that I would win by like sixty six percents. So the Republican Party chairman. Then went to Washington DC Jeffrey. BEAUREGARD general beauregard sessions. He's named after the confederate general. So He goes to see jeff sessions and and convinces him that he's the only person who can run for governor on the Republican side. Who can beat me in two thousand six? Jeff sessions had served as US attorney in Mobile South Alabama. His contingent of F. B. I. Agents, several of them resigned and came to work for the state as independent investigators, they were eventually hard by the state, and they was those retired F.. B. I. Agents who had worked for Jeff Sessions. Who investigated me for? Nearly four years tried to build these bogus cases while sessions himself was considering running against the governor. that's the first case. Came in two, thousand and four, the the judge had been on the bench for twenty nine years said it was the most unfounded criminal case over which she presided in his entire. Service on the bench and dismissed with prejudice. and. Then shortly after I announced I was running of my official announcement that I was running for governor two, thousand, six, hundred ninety again. This time on the bribery charge and You know the history from there is convicted sent to prison for. Well spent five years in prison right now, there was a time you were let out because. There was your lead out on appeal. Where were a three judge panel from the Circuit Court of Appeals said, wait a minute. This is bogus. Let you out to. For the in advance of the retrial. And during that time it looked like you know you're going to prevail because you didn't do anything wrong. It did look like going to prevail. What happened? Sixty minutes and I you know I give them credit this largely because Scott pelley out a twelve minute segment February the twenty, fourth, two, thousand and eight. Where they? Had I a Republican attorney general from Arizona. Who had been John McCain campaign manager co-chairman in two thousand. WHO said that? You know this Alabama's one state. Where they they couldn't. They couldn't beat circle fair and square, so they targeted him with this prosecution, then he, they interviewed the witness that had. Nick Bailey who was? The Real Crook and all less And he said he told sixty minutes that he had been he had. Either spoken to or been. Smoking the investigators prosecutors over seventy times over the course of some four and a half years and he had been made to write and rewrite his proposed testimony over and over until he got his answers. The way the government wanted them. There was a parallel government paralegal present. Tomorrow Grimes a Republican. Who? Gave a sworn statement, a whistleblower excitement and. She said that she was present, while that particular witness was coached and cajoled and pressured to remember things that he clearly did not recall. Of. So that's that's how the government got. Its conviction in the chargers were initiated not by the FBI but by Jeff Jeff sessions retired F. B. I., agents. I was brought to trial one month before the two thousand six elections. By the US attorney whose wife whose husband was call Rose Business, partner Billy Canary. So. While I was while I was. Being investigated and charged. The US. Attorney's husband was connected to Karl. Rove, but he was also running my opponent's campaign. Fund and there are so many instances like this that are just so wrong that in a normal court of law would have a case thrown out immediately conflict of interest, but you had a judge judge fuller. who was so against you from the start that on every front? I mean you were not allowed to even bring up the idea that this was a political prosecution. You weren't allowed to mention politics in your defense. I mean I would think that on appeal alone would have the case thrown out. You would. You would think also that this is. This was revealed after by. Conviction! But. John Conyers was pressing the Department of Justice for an investigation. They sent a letter. A sealed letter to the House Judiciary Committee that was released by an anonymous whistleblower in the I guess you can have an anonymous before in the House Judiciary Committee staff. It was published by the project on government oversight. And the the letter in the letter from the Department of Justice John Conyers say said. Politics was not involved in settlements prosecution, but the the lead prosecutor conducting the investigation. Was emailing settlements, opponents campaign manager, giving him updates on the. Department of Justice investigation now I don't know what you would call that. But the Department of Justice said it wasn't political, and it wasn't political that my you know my my the US attorney's husband was was working for my opponent managing his campaign so anyway we we have a lot to straighten out in this country and you know I'm. I'm sorry that I was the Guinea pig, but we've got a wrote this book so I could expose. Some of the. The wrongdoing, but the book is not about me. It is about saving our democracy. What happened to me happen? We can't erase it. I can't go back. not governor of not going to be governor nugget. Enter the president your rice, but you know we've got to. We've got to protect our democracy from these kinds of abuses of power. Now let's take it down to to back down to George Floyd and Eric Gardner and We will let let one one more thing. I want to get at. Though you you. You point so many figures in the last time we spoke. The last two times we spoke it was about problems. For instance, those people still in prison to are such great risk of cove infection. It's just the way people are treated. When you were I found guilty, you were you were led from the courtroom in shackles. You are taken directly to prison and put in solitary confinement. You are held in solitary confinement for an inordinate amount of time on a number of occasions for what I'm John I'm I was sick for you reading this I. I was arrested once for daring to try to my then Congressman Allen West a question about his vote to privatize Medicare and thrown in jail, and put in solitary by myself for a matter of hours and I thought I was going crazy I can't imagine what you went through, and they did this to you. For what good reason for no good reason, and there's no controls over this. This still happens every day that prisoners are thrown into isolation and left there for weeks and. Let me. Let me mention this. I got it I got a text I got an email. Indirectly from an inmate in prison today. Going to reveal his name of course, because they would get him in trouble right, but he is, he has been in solitary confinement for fifty seven days now, because Kobe nineteen. He. He did not test positive. He didn't have the virus, but he has been segregated as well as. I don't know how many other inmates have been subjected to this kind of. You know it. Unnecessary it short of torture for sure I mean it's not like waterboarding, but it does pray it does it does? It it's it's not pleasant. And I spent fifty nine days in solitary confinement. He's spent fifty seven days so far. and It's just not right now. What we did or I in buy is not right. Are Yeah I know you want it and we're going to go just warning people. We're going to run a little long governor. Hope that's okay with you, but I want to. There's so much WanNa get you We will end on progressive voices at six o'clock at the top of the hour in about five minutes. This show will continue at Nicole Sandler Dot com on Youtube on facebook it'll be. Be in the PODCAST and it'll be archived, so come on over afterwards, and you can hear the rest of it i. just want to let people know that we're not gonNA end until until we're done talking, so you wanted to talk about George Floyd and the correlations to what was done to him with your case and what you learned while being incarcerated for eight eight months so go ahead. Well the the way to correct this and I just WanNa to make it clear, is it? We have got. We've got to. We've got to flip this pronouncement. That you have citizens do not have a constitutional right not to be framed. We've got to change the paradigm. We've got to ensure that that one that. That the there, we repeal the immunity for prosecutors, so they cannot willfully and intentionally put people in prison for things they didn't do. We need to. Repeal the exempt the not for prosecutors for withholding. They've been a hundred and fifty people on death row who have been exonerated because of prosecutorial misconduct so we've got to correct this. People's lives are at stake, but the reason why. Cops who murder people are not held accountable is because the family members do not have the right to have a lawyer present in the grand jury, and that is where cops who murdered people within. Can Murder People with impunity? It can be set free, and the innocent can be charged. It's a it's incredible when so you're in prison. You were imprisoned under George W. Bush he had the appeal. You lost on the appeal, which was just shocking. Because there's no way you should have been convicted there. There's something else that I learned. That that, you talk about also at the end of the book that you WanNa. See this fixed. I didn't know this was a thing. Acquitted conduct time added to the sentence of of a of somebody who testifies on their own behalf and If you do that, you're going to be able to explain this better than I can if you testify on. On Your own behalf and you're found guilty. They can say they can charge you with perjury on top of everything else saying that. If you were found guilty, you were obviously lying. Also if there's other charges that you're quitted of, but you're found guilty on some you can still be. You can still be sentenced for those charges upon which you were acquitted. My. The judge in my case, there's more to talk about about the judge. Knock and why he was so adamant. That I was convicted, but he tripled tripled by guideline range because of acquitted conduct matters for which the jury had found not guilty Oh my God but. This goes on every day every day hundreds of times a day, probably going when judges. Ed Time to a defendant's sentence based on chargers, for which they were found not guilty, because the judge said the ad, they found you not guilty, but. Kind of thank you were so. I'm GONNA add some time to it and Oh, by the way. You committed a couple of crimes years ago. You, know you you did serve your time in prison for that but I need some more time. Editor Centers for relevant conduct and oh by the and. You testified on your own behalf and the jury didn't believe you, so you are obviously lines, so that's perjury or you're trying to obstruct justice. I'm going to add some more time. We found A. You had a gun in your hand gun in your. In your nightstand it was licensed to you. It wasn't used in the commission of a crime. Nobody's ever. That you had any big you the gun ever, but I'm gonNA give you five more years. Forget you had a gun. Your House Oh my God, so they they just and but that's not the end of the story either. This one I have a chapter. My book which you know saving one Garcia. What Garcia was my bunk mate? He slept above me on the on the top bunk. And I asked him one day. I said you know what what what brought you here. And he said marijuana as tell me about it, and they say well I had to marijuana I got. I got caught in ninety, four, ninety, nine, and ninety, seven and ninety nine anyway so i. ask him to see his legal the legal documents. And there was this brief by the federal government. And they were arguing in the brief that he should be given twenty five years to life in prison. because. He was convicted in nineteen, ninety, four, and a half ounce of marijuana or more nervous, convicted of felony given probation. In nineteen, ninety-seven convicted of one half of one half ounce of marijuana are more had had given a felony given probation in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety nine. He was a wrapped up in they marijuana conspiracy. No amount of marijuana was charged by the government. But the judge sentenced him to twenty five years in prison. He served. One! Garcia served nineteen years in prison before I wrote a petition for clemency, which was granted and he got out. But, that's the kind of insane things that we do to people of Color. And it is, it is just. So, sad and sickening to see these young men. Who have been taken from their young children for? You know piddly drug charges. You know, yes, they the Baltimore, drug, charges. Now, there's another another guy and he's really wonderful. Decent human being zebras mark well and Markelle was. Asked him I. It took a long time for him to agree to talk to me about it, but. in the process is this guy who was. He was he was a black man African. American sixty was about six five. And He, he broke down started crying because he was telling me the story about his mother. And how? You know he was a kid, and his mother had issues I didn't go into what the issues were, but You know the electricity would be turned off the water be turned off and he. He saw opportunity to sell marijuana when he was like eleven years old and. so he went down to the street corner and Eventually was able to. Get some money to turn the electricity onto the water on, and and that's how it started, and his first charge was marijuana. The second charge I think was marijuana. Third Charge was the there was a In both of those who was put on probation, the third charge was a cocaine charge and Because, he was black. I assume that he was going to be making crack out of that. And so he was sentenced to twenty five years in prison and he served. Twenty three of those he went in when he was twenty three. I think he got got out last year. Just. Two young children when he wanted to. People don't think about they don't think about. Yeah, win this in this rush to judgment in this. You know for so long. We were caught up in this. Lock them up. Throw away the key mentality of the war on war on drugs worn on crime. It was a war on. Men and women of Color. And we just we. Prosecutors took to their job with with zest and they they were instructed by the Department of Justice to seek the harshest penalty. And they did. They locked up these young men. For decades taking them them away from their children, their wives their their. Spouses and destroying their family and no telling what they did to those kids by. You know and we just got to rethink and You. Know our our criminal justice laws and Bring some sense into it and we've got a ways a long ways to go anyway I hope to play a part in that and. That's part of the reason why I wrote. This book is I. Want to. I want people to read it. Understand it, so we have the credibility to go to Congress and argue for the changes that need to be made. To set things right, absolutely governor Siegelman Don. Siegelman is with US and again the new book is finally coming out this Tuesday stealing our democracy, how the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation, and it does, and we've gone through so much of your story, but we're still not done in you. Do Answer one of the burning questions. I had all along which was never answered to my satisfaction. And you answered it in the book, though I'm not satisfied, and that is. You were in prison you. You were prosecuted persecuted by the Bush administration. And then Barack Obama gets elected finally a Democrat and African American. He brings an Eric holder as attorney general. I certainly thought okay. There's going to be justice done here finally. They're gonNA. Look at this case and say Oh my God. The governor was framed. He was set up. He was railroad he was. This was a political persecution. They're going to do something about it. and. The one of the most heartbreaking lines in the book is. I'm probably not gonNA. Find it because okay. Oh, here! It is president. Obama, left the White House on January twentieth, two, thousand seventeen. I stayed in prison until February eighth twenty seventeen. The Obama. Administration did nothing to help you and I know it was not for lack of trying I, know I signed petitions and letters in You know as someone out here, saying this man has been railroaded. He's been persecuted. What happened people. Era Colder contacted Obama but eric holder had a connection with Karl. Rove, didn't he? He well I don't know his connection to Karl Rove. I do know that that. His law firm represented Karl Rove and represented. The are C- Republican National Committee of. And and There was you know there was a connection and there there. Are you know obviously connections between Karl Rove and. Eric holder and President Obama. the, the thing that bothers me about this is that. They they had they had to know what was going on. There was no it was no secret what had happened to me one hundred and thirteen. Hundred Thirteen state attorneys general and a number of governors who, around the country, joined in tried to get the attention of the Obama Administration tried to get the attention of Eric holder. And while they were of? Busy exonerating Ted Stevens Republican senator from Alaska which should have they should have dun rite of. For prosecutorial misconduct. My case was riddled with far more, prosecutorial, more serious, prosecutorial misconduct misconduct, but Nothing was done. There was one person at the Department of Justice. David Margolis who was there when Eric holder I joined with the justice system. The criminal justice I mean the Department of Justice. After. He got out of Law School And you know, there's been speculation that he that he just depended on David Margolis. For everything Margolis was the one who approved of this bogus charge back in two thousand and four that was thrown out of court after. Lesson. You know twelve hours. The judge said it was the most unfounded criminal case. It ever presided over and then. David Margolis approved of all of the charges in two thousand and six, for which the jury found me not guilty. All of the acquitted conduct was approved by David Margolis. David Margolis fired the. The? Department of Justice. Whistleblower, tomorrow Grimes Paralegal who said she watched. A witness was coached and cajoled and threatened. Pressure to say things that he clearly didn't remember. So margolis was up to his neck in that, but he was also up to his neck in the US attorney firing scandal, he had worked with the White House the Bush Whitehouse to fire and replace those those us. Attorneys a higher remember Dick Durbin and Sheldon Whitehouse. Getting very upset with David Margolis but again. You know while they reprimanded him. Nothing nothing was. But he was up to his eyebrows in my case, and because of that, he was probably telling Eric holder. No, we don't WanNa do that. It's going to make the Department of Justice. Look bad if we if we open this. Clear the worms, wow! Did you ever hear from Obama anybody in the administration about why? They ignored your your case why there was no pardon or clemency or anything? No nothing. BELIEVABLE JUST UNBELIEVABLE! You mentioned John Conyers, who was always in your in your court. Who was? Trying to help you was anybody else in the Democratic Party stepping out to help you. Well there were a number of Congressmen who were on the House. Judiciary Committee. Some of whom are still there. And I a good relationship with them, but Yeah I, mean we had? You know. What we heard favorable things from from of course from steady hardy was a big supporter at John, Lewis and town. Harry Reid profess that he was going to try to help and. we heard the same thing feedback from chuck. Schumer of and Terry McAuliffe said that he was going to try to help, but. You would think that with all those people trying to help that something would have. Something would have happened. You know. A couple other things I wanNA point out is when you went back for the second trial on the appeal. The jury was hung for weeks. The judge that same judge fuller who had other problems after your case was in the news. His instructions to the jury were very one sided. And then when they came back and said we can't come to. You had a couple of people who were conflict of interest on people in the jury, who there was evidence that they were talking with the prosecution. There was all kinds of stuff wrong with this, but the judge kept admonishing. This jury was sequestered. who had been away from home for weeks that you will stay here? He said I've got nothing better to do. I'll stay here until Christmas if I have to and made them come back with a verdict. This is unheard of, isn't it? Was it? It was something that shocked me when I heard him. He said Look I've been appointed to life. I can keep your next year if I want to bring, said these are his words, he said, bring me a verdict or a partial verdict. and to me when you say verdict to a jury they made. That means a guilty verdict that. Acquitted him. So, yeah, he stepped over the line, but He and I had had political conflicts going back to nineteen I mean every election. He was on the other side. He was on the Republican. Executive Committe at he. He opposed MY A. Ballot Initiative to give college. Free College Education to kids. And that was the heart of my. You know of of the bribery. Charge was a contribution to the education lottery referendum, so he should have recused. He didn't recuse. As you pointed out and as In the documentary, atticus versus the architects. Which is free on Amazon came by well. Okay I'll put a link to it. Out of CUS VERSUS THE ARCHITECT The a political assassination Don siegelman. But this judge. Is just a bad bad person. Horrible. I I Y filed for divorce for abuse, and they also alleged that he was addicted to alcohol drugs during the time of my trial. And then. His. The. Anyway is. Wife called the cops and there was nine one one audio of him beating her. which we all I this was while I was at America. I remember very clearly in this is the judge. In the Siegelman case, so then you had a perfect. Appeal and you, did you? You had the case ready to go to Supreme Court. And they we went. We went to the Supreme Court three times, but. But I WANNA finish judge fuller. So. This bothers me, too. Because, this is another. Abuse of power. So here here is this judge? Who has viciously beaten his wife with glass broken whiskey all over the place. She's caught. She's pull chunks of her hair out. He's hit her. He's kicked her. there. So, there's an investigation by the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals. The investigation is set to something called the United States judicial, conference Is made up of the every chief judge from all of the different circuits and a few of the district court judges were around the country. They set. What is an indictment? To John Bainer. who was then speaker of the House saying that they were certifying that they had substantial? That judge fuller, judge, Mark Everett Fuller. Had beaten his severely beaten his wife violently. At least eight times. Before this incident at the Ritz Carlton in, ATLANTA! Now. They said he had perjured himself before federal investigators that he had lied to federal investigators. How? We have seen. Other people lie to federal investigators. Charged with a client right if if if the average man or woman. was charged with. Violently beating. His spouse is, why? They would be charged with several different felonies and sentenced to prison. Yup, the George Fuller was given A. Energy Anger Management Course. La Allowed to retire with full benefits, and that's not the end of the story about George Fuller. Just one more that I'll I'll drop jokes fuller, but he had had a sideline business. He was not a judge, but he was a defense contractor. Had A company called dossier. Say the Asian. Recently sold it for two billion dollars Oh. My God, but during during the trial. He had applied for and a hundred seventy four million dollar a year contract with the. United States. Air Force. And after the trial. It was awarded to Dasa the Asian to judge Fuller's company on. One, hundred seventy four million dollars each year for ten years renewable, and he sold the company two billion dollars. So. Anyway. That's also brought out in the documentary. Yes, and I will put a link to it on Amazon. The documentary abacus versus the architect Don Siegelman this has cost you everything you you. You know you worked in your public servant. You worked in government. Any retirement savings our savings. You had went to pay for your legal defense so when you got out of. Prison your wife had medical issues from a horrific car accident. You suffered before you went to jail and your kids. You know you talked about the effect. Being imprisoned has on families. Your kids were young. They were what eleven fourteen when this all started. And now they're adults. Your son went to law school, so he could work on your case I mean this. This has derailed your entire life. And as we mentioned before it sounds through everything all the issues with Judge Fuller, and the the his jury instructions and everything else that you had a perfect case for appeal, and you did go to the supreme. Court and you were waiting for them to take the case. They just said No. We're not going to hear it. It's the what. I yeah, we appeal three times and the the the first time we appealed it was based on. That initial finding by the three judge panel. That there were substantial questions of law and fact that would likely result in reversal and so the Supreme Court. Is that point? Sent the case back to the eleventh circuit. Saying? Take another look at this based on the. The actual definition of bribery which is. Not Not involving campaign contribution, but where there are, there's a briefcase of money where there's some self-enrichment scheme and the eleventh circuit said No. We still think that settlement is guilty, so we're GONNA lead. Let the convictions stand. We took the issue of acquitted conduct up to the Supreme Court as well. and that was that was. Denied. And then we saw a trial, we were asking for discovery because we knew that we had. Evidence that. The lead prosecutor was emailing my Republican opponents campaign manager. Giving them updates on the investigation. So, we thought if if there was A. There was one email that the united. States. Department of Justice had the probably were others, and they were probably linked called, roved prosecution, and of course. Our request for discovery was denied so anxious for. Those Call Roe v by also surface at some point because I'm sure that we would find his fingerprints all over my case, but now you're telling us that that that Donald trump the orange menace is trying to make nice with Karl. Rove so maybe can use some of his dirty tricks. In the two thousand twenty election, we know that that trump will stoop to nothing to. Do know no boundaries when it comes to trying to do whatever he needs to do to stay in office. Because I think he knows that the minute he's a civilian again. He should be arrested and sent to jail. He would if if there was justice in this country. What would hopefully they'll build chain him to Mnuchin to. Five hundred billion dollars to their friends and not. Telling us out offering any kind of public accountability. This is why they got rid of all of the Inspector General's. Yeah They didn't want any report coming out on how they were going to know. And Yeah I'm just awful, and it seems like the trump administration is following that Bush playbook I mean he even brought in someone to do away with anyone in the administration, who is not suitably pro-trump, enough This is not how America is supposed to be Don Siegelman. I'm telling you the the book. Just broke my heart, even though I knew the story. I knew what happened reading it again in this one you know. Volume was just heartbreaking because I see in you. What what? We could've been what we could have had, and there's no reason for this and the fact that the Democratic Party did nothing to come to. Your defense sours me on them even more obviously I have no. No love lost for the Republicans and I'm not even going I'm just really disappointed that we don't have a party that we can rely on to stand up for the rule of law, and for the really good people. We have who are working hard for the people of this country. Well Amen. That's all I can say to that go. You you have a phenomenal of putting things and. So, sometimes. You know the less said the better. Let you be my spokesperson I. Gotcha and I I wish I could I'd scream from the rafters and I do, and I have a you know I'm so. Appreciative to have this opportunity to speak with you about this again. I've followed your case all these years. We spoke a couple of times and I spoke with Dana while you were imprisoned as well and. I, just my heart goes out to you and your family for what you've been put through. This should happen to nobody. Nobody in this country ever and yet it does. The abuse of power that happened to me happened. In the in the in the in the halls of power in in. The Court House what happened to. Two more George Floyd and Eric Gardner and others happens on the streets of America every day, and you know, and it is we we'd. Know again the point of my book is that we we. You know George Floyd paid the ultimate price. Now it is up to us as citizens to create new policies, new politics and new laws to protect the most vulnerable. From abuses of power by police prosecutors are presidents. Without a doubt, the book stealing our democracy is officially out this Tuesday. Do yourself a favor by it. Read it share it. Everybody needs to know this story and you're right governor. Siegelman, it's not just about you, but it is about you because the the Republicans and Karl Rove saw somebody who was. A really good governor who was beloved by the people from both parties. Who had you know? Who who could have brought wonderful things to this nation, and they went after you for precisely those reasons, and this should never happen again, and what kills me is that? You know nobody came to your rescue. Nobody is coming to our rescue right now. That's why we have to do it. We all must stay out in the streets and protests for what's right and most importantly we need to vote. We need to get this criminal out of office, but all our problems will not then be solved because Joe Biden. I'm sorry is not. A return to the Obama Administration will not fix these things. The Obama Administration led us down on your behalf as well and we need. We need to do better than that. We need to do better as a nation. We need to do better as a party. We need to do better. Well let me let me be closed by saying saying this if if we're going to end systemic racism. if we're going to heal this country. Then we we've got to see transformative changes in our education economic healthcare in criminal justice systems and That means. In my judgment. Our president. Our next president has to see that every child regardless of where they're born into whom the color of their skin, their economic status whether they're immigrants are whether they are citizens that every child is able to reach their God, given potential through education that means two things. One, we've got to have free early learning for every child. And secondly we've got to offer free higher education for every student who stays in school stays out of trouble and makes certain grades. They don't have to go to college, but they can get higher. Education are training, so they can get a better job or they can go on to be an engineer. To fix the economic system. We've got to have more and better jobs not to have you know. NEW NEW uses for renewable energy to combat climate crisis. We've got to. We've got to create jobs. For All. These people who have been. Displaced by krona virus. There are many jobs that this country needs done that. The country needs to pay for in that as we've got to have a president, who is going to face up to the fact that it is wrong when one percent on fifty percent of the wealth of three families, rather fifty percent of the wealth and one percent ninety two percent. And when when large companies pay no taxes at all, so we've got to have a president who is going to fix our tax system for for decades? We've been told that it's the immigrants in. It's the welfare. Mothers is the people on government programs that are dragging down the middle class. Taxpayers know is some middle class taxpayers that are footing the bill for the one percent, so we've got to reverse that in our next president has addressed this issue, and then we live in the richest country in the world, and no one should go to bed. Hungry homeless without healthcare healthcare must be a right for every American and you know it doesn't matter whether you are. Know whether you're poor whether you've got mental or physical disabilities or whether you are in prison. You know this country is big enough and strong enough to take care of you, so we we need to make some changes and we can do it. We can, if we work hard enough and long enough in this for this election in two thousand and twenty, if if the people on the streets will. Will, after they protest will will come back and we'll work if they will find a candidate. A local candidate or steak, candidate or presidential candidate in whom they believe in trust in worked for them and help them get elected. We can change the way things happened in this country. If we elect a good mayor, they will appoint a police chief. If we elect a good governor, they will appoint a good prison commissioner. If we elect good president, they will appoint good US attorneys judges, but it is up to us as citizens to to make this kind of change happen. We can make this country what it should be, but you know. We just gotTA DIG in and. We gotta do it. Governor Don Siegelman thank you so much on behalf of my listeners because I don't really speak for more people, but number one I. Thank you for all the work you've done and for everything you stand for and number two. I apologize for letting you down. Because what happened to you should never have happened, and we should have been able to do something about it. Instead we stood by feeling helpless for years, and you served a very long prison sentence for doing nothing wrong and. And that's a travesty of everybody needs to read this book and share. It I. Hope Your I hope you're doing a lot of press I hope every talk show. Has You on because people need to know your story and we need to make sure that in this case history does not repeat itself Don Siegelman you're you're at national treasure and I? Thank you I I'm I'm I'm so honored that you chose to speak with us about this and spent so much time to go through what happened? The goal, thank you. I look forward to listening to your program watching your youtube. The next opportunity thank you so much and we will talk again. Please stay in touch. Our will. Thank. You Take Care bye-bye. and with that we're done Don Siegelman what what a what a treat what a pleasure he is and just think of. What was possible if he had not been the target of Karl Rove and the Bush administration just think where we'd be today if Don Siegelman had run for president in two thousand four. I think about it often. all right with that. We come to the end of another week up Monday. We've got another music Monday. Program with a wonderful artist named Jonathan Brooke, so we'll do our usual news and information at the beginning, and then yeah, we will enjoy some music because we need a break from a lot of this craziness that. Goes on in our world. Thank you for listening everyone. Thanks for sticking around for the overtime I think you'll agree. It was worth it today. have a great weekend. I will see you back here on Monday Thank you again for listening. Piece out everyone. By

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20200429 Nicole Sandler Show - Another Wednesday from the Quarantine Zone- and Don Siegelman Too

"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language. If you're this question advised Nicole's questioning authority. That could be very reason why. Youtube is upset. Hey you do the music. Venue here beneath my voice is from broadcast. Sound Library that I paid for an Hamlin receipts that you're happy right violation right here and now here's Nicole. Welcome to a Wednesday. I'm Nicole Sandler coming to you. Live at Nicole Sandler Dot Com. Also facebook live in addition to Youtube. Where we're branching out over here and You know doing things just so you know working behind the scenes trying to get the show out as well as we can and to that end. I know I've been trying things with the equipment here and you know it's always hitting with my show. Technical problems are us but I ordered a new piece of equipment today. We got our twelve hundred dollar government. Payoff check not that you don't do much good in the big scheme of things that hundred dollars honestly in twenty twenty dozen go very far. But I'm pulling four hundred dollars out of it to buy a new audio console which hopefully will take all of my different inputs and and Give a better end product. So keep your fingers crossed. It should arrive on Saturday and I know what I'll be doing this weekend studio rebuilding yet again so Hey we got that to look forward to right so that's on the docket Coming up in the show today. I'm I'm I'm excited to talk to Governor Don Siegelman. Hopefully you know if you've been a listener of this program Moore paid attention to progressive politics for any amount of time. You know the name Don Siegelman. He was the governor of Alabama until he became the subject of a political vendetta really waged by. I believe Karl Rove and To make a long story short Don Siegelman wound up being persecuted. I prosecuted and persecuted and wound up serving five years in federal prison for a bullshit bribery. Charge it. This was a political prosecution. This was he was a political prisoner inside the United States and what happened to him was a travesty. Well thankfully he's out of prison but it was a brilliant. Political career was derailed. I mean Don Siegelman could have an would have been a great president should have been president. He was the first progressive politician elected. Governor I think in the country certainly in Alabama and and again he was targeted by the Republicans by Karl Rove by the Bush administration because he was a progressive. Anyway he's got a new book coming out and the book I I'm just starting to read it now. It's called stealing our democracy. It'll be released in June so we're not going to talk about the book today because I really don't want to get into the book until I've had a chance to read the whole thing and then also watch. There is a film called Abacus versus the architect the political assassination of Don Siegelman so when when the governor joins me again in June upon release of the book. We'll get into all the gritty of what happened to him. And in this case it was what happened to him. It's not anything he did. He did nothing wrong but was targeted again as a political assassination that's the way to put it And wound up five years in federal prison but the governor sent me a text last night and I know this is something that the there's something he's really concerned about and I know how much it weighs on him. He wrote a letter to The Wall Street Journal. Couple of weeks ago that was published. I can't pull it up because behind a paywall but I know he wrote the letter He appeared with both Thom Hartmann. And Brad Friedman in subsequent weeks to talk about the issue of Cova Nineteen and prison and it is ugly and so at the bottom of the hour will be joined by Governor Don Siegelman. I urge you to stay tuned. He's a fascinating man if you don't know enough about him. You should preorder his book stealing our democracy in fact put a link on the blog at Nicole Sandler dot com after the show. Where I post the podcast to a place where you could buy it. That's not Amazon. In case you know in case you're interested so we'll get to Don Siegelman There's a lot of news to get to today and I gotta Say I'm I'm disgusted but we've been disgusted. But the gas lighting coming from this administration is just atrocious. It's I mean listening to Donald Trump. I know again. It's it's it's my job so I feel like I have to but I also get into that thing where I turn it on. And it's like the train wreck you can't turn away from. I can't stop because I want to know. What kind of fucked up? Bullshit thing. He's going to say next. And for instance yesterday did I did I. I don't know if I didn't pull anything from yesterday. But instead of playing something from him I want to play for you. Something that happened this morning on Fox in fines. I know it's Fox and friends. You know. Cut Me some slack here to me their fins. They're not my friends. I know they're not your friends so they're fiends anyway so yesterday we reached to pretty horrible milestones right the US past the the the million mark one million plus confirmed cases of Kovic nineteen in the United States and globally. It's just over three million so a country with that has the four percent of the global population accounts for thirty three percent of the covert nineteen infections on the planet. Just let that sink in for a moment how badly we failed and then yesterday we pass the fifty seven thousand Americans Dead Mark. Fifty seven thousand and the reason that number was important. It's because that's how many had so many lives America lost in the Vietnam War so more people killed in a matter of what two months from this virus that got out of control. I say due to the negligence of this administration and the world on the world stage we have a third of all confirmed cases while our population represents four percent of the planet's population. There's something really seriously wrong there. So you think perhaps perhaps the Gov- The government should take responsibility for their actions. So what happened on Fox and fiends this morning? Well Jared Kushner. You know the first son-in-law who say you know what we may as well be in some Banana Republic where the leaders family all has important and jared Kushner. You know he's the guy who is in charge of everything right. So Jared Kushner is on Fox and friends this morning and he actually had the gall to say this and again we're on the other side of the medical aspect of this and I think that we've achieved all the different milestones that are needed so the government federal government rose to the challenge and this is a great success story. What it's a great success story. We have a million plus confirmed cases of Kovic. Nineteen and more people have died in the last two months in the United States from it then were killed in Vietnam War. That's a great success story. This has gas lighting years ago. I coined a new phrase and granted. It didn't just grow out of the trump administration. I've been using this term since the Bush years. And it's you know it's when I get so crazed that people are saying people elected officials mostly say one thing when the truth is the exact opposite and I call it opposite world. You never knew it. Sideways is straight ahead. No LONGER MATTER. Reality is now fiction. There's the signpost you're next on the world we live it every day and you listen to this moron open his mouth and every time he does. It's just spew bullshit. The man is a consummate liar. The only thing he's really good at lying and bamboozling at least thirty percent of the American people who actually will support this maniac. It's absolutely incredible. And then you know he'll say. Things like injects disinfectant or stick an ultraviolet light up your ass to cleanse your body and then when states report. Hundreds of calls coming into their helplines about ingesting disinfectant. He says the I don't have anything to do with that. Ryan Carom who was one of my favorite members of the White House. Press Corps was at the briefing yesterday. Was it yesterday two days ago whenever it was two days ago. And he asked him about this and Donald Trump's reactions will exactly what you would expect people using disinfectant. These talking about please in the back now and that other states governor Larry Hogan specifically said they seen a spike in people using disinfectant. After your comments last week I know you said they were Sarcasi- I can't imagine why I can't imagine why yeah. Responsibility Auburn Imagine. I can't imagine that. Yeah go ahead please for it and that was it and he just writes it off. I can't imagine why because you told them to do it. Even though you are a bumbling fool a complete Joe tarred thank you Kim Jong. Hoon for the word and a more on an idiot. You're also the president of the United States and there are a lot of people you know those poorly educated people that you like so much who listen to what you say yet. You take no responsibility. It doesn't work that way. You can't take no responsibility. So there was a a a an editorial printed the other day in the Irish Times. And you know I I call all over the world doing my quarantine calling. I like to know what people in other countries are thinking about. What's going on over here because I can just imagine right and now we have an insight. I wasn't going to read this because it's long but I reached out to the writer. A man named Fenton O'Toole and sadly I haven't heard back from him and so I am going to share this with you but before we get to this because it's going to Piss you off a little bit. Let's take care of some fun. I'd like to start the show with something funny because things are you know tend to get real during the course of the program and yeah so laughter's important medicine and we can all use more of these days so for the next couple of minutes anyway. We'll listen to a group that I've come to love. They're they're fairly new producing parody videos. On Youtube they go by the The name founders. Sing in this case. It's not a founder. Who's singing Well I'm turn remember who it was. Who who is doing the vocalizing too. I don't remember we'll just have to watch it to find out. Take it away founders. Sing heard a lot from the salt. Those remember like your Rut Gold drunk on Hi Hi hive takes the cake. When he got on the mic shop that that does aside and then put out a call to try. Lies have y you get so well as la. La Allies saw the world's a while Wii last so say Bang Some screen times. Wow Not oh you know I. It was was My Corona that everyone was parenting and now they're all parodying the kinks. Lola la La La La. I saw that. Courtesy of the founders. Sing you can find them on Youtube. Of course I will post the video to that wonderful parody that will be stuck in your head all day on the blog it Nicole Sandler dot com all right coming up governor. Don siegelman joining in. And if time what's news 'cause there's news trying to think if there's anything that I need to tell you know it's the same old shit so let me share with you. This editorial that appeared in the Irish Times on April twenty fifth so just four days ago because it is so spot on in a couple of people shared it with me of the email and social media and you know again my first reaction was. This is well. It's painful but every word of it is true and Well so here. Here's a sort of a snapshot of what the rest of the world is thinking when they look at the disaster. That is the United States of America. Today Under this Kovic nineteen crisis. He writes well. The headline and chances are right the headline because most article or op ED writer. Don't write the headlines. But the headline works in this case the headline reads the world has loved hated and envied the US now for the first time we pity it. Oh proud to be an American thing. Everyone all right so here. Here's how it goes over. More than two centuries. The United States has stirred a very wide range of feelings in the rest of the world love and hatred. Fear and hope envy and contempt. Aw An anger but there's one emotion that has never been directed toward the US until now pity however bad things are most other rich democracies. It is hard not to feel sorry for Americans. Most of them did not vote for Donald Trump. In Two thousand sixteen yet they are locked down with a malignant narcissist to instead of protecting his people from Kovic nineteen has amplified. It's Li Thallady. The country trump promised to make great again has never in its history seemed so pitiful will America Prestige ever recover from the shameful episode the US went into the corona virus crisis with immense of ages precious weeks of warning about what was coming. The world's best concentration of medical and scientific expertise effectively limitless financial resources a military complex with stunning logistical capacity and most of the world's leading technology corporations yet it managed to make itself the global epicenter of the pandemic. Ain't that the truth. It is one thing to be powerless in the face of a national disaster or natural disaster. Quite another to watch vast power being squandered in real time willfully malevolently vindictively. It is one thing for governments to fail as in one degree or another. Most governments did quite another to watch a ruler in his supporters actively spread a deadly virus trump. His party and Rupert Murdoch's Fox News became vectors of pestilence pestilence same thing I just mispronounced sorry. The grotesque spectacle of the president openly inciting people. Some of them armed to take to the streets to oppose the restrictions that save lives as the manifestation of a political death wish what are supposed to be daily briefings on the crisis demonstrative of national unity in the face of a shared challenge have been used by trump merely to sow confusion and division. They provide a recurring horror. Show in which all of the neuroses that haunt the American sub-conscious dance naked on live television. If the plague is test its ruling political nexus ensured that the US would fail it at a terrible cost in human lives in the process. The idea of the US is the world's leading nation. An idea that has shaped the past century has all but evaporated other than the trump impersonator jared Naro in Brazil who has now looking to the U. who is now looking to the US as the exemplar of anything other than what not to do. How many people in Dusseldorf for Dublin? Or wishing they lived in Detroit or Dallas. It's hard to remember but it's hard to remember now but even in two thousand seventeen when trump took office the conventional wisdom in the. Us was that the Republican Party and the broader framework of US political institutions would prevent him from doing too much damage. This was always a delusion but the pandemic has exposed it in the most savage way what used to be called mainstream. Conservatism has not absorbed trump. He has absorbed it almost the entire right wing. Half of American politics has surrendered objectively to him. It is sacrificed on the altar of Wanton Stupidity the most basic ideas of responsibility care and even safety thus even at the very end of March fifteen republican governors had failed to order people to stay at home or close non essential businesses in Alabama for example. It was not until April third. That governor Kay Ivey finally issued a stay at home order in Florida or I am hello. The state with the highest concentration of elderly people with underlying conditions Governor Rhonda Santa's Ah trump many be kept the beach resorts open to students traveling from all over the US for spring break parties even on April first when he issued restrictions disentis exempted religious services and quote recreational activities. Georgia Governor Brian Camp when he finally issued a stay at home order on April first explained. We didn't know that the virus can be spread by people without symptoms until the last twenty four hours now. I'm adding this part. Proving that he's a fucking imbecile. Sorry this is not mere ignorance back to the written text here. It is deliberate and Homicidal Stupidity. There is as the demonstrations this week and US cities have shown plenty of political mileage in denying the reality of the pandemic. It's fueled by Fox News and far right Internet sites and it reaps for these politicians millions of dollars in donations mostly in an ugly irony from older people who are most vulnerable to the corona virus. It draws on a concoction of conspiracy theories hatred of science paranoia about the WHO. Deep State and religious providential ISM IN OTHER WORDS. God will protect the good folks that has now very deeply infused in the mindset of the American right trump embodies and enacts this mindset but he didn't invent it the US response to the corona virus crisis has been paralyzed by a contradiction that the Republicans have inserted into the heart of us democracy on the one hand. They want to control all the levers of governmental power on the other. They've created a popular base by playing on the notion that the government is innately evil and must not be trusted. The contradiction was manifest two of trump's statements on the pandemic on the one hand that he has total authority and on the other hand that I don't take responsibility at all caught between authoritarian anarchic. Anarchic IMPULSES. He is incapable of coherence. This great line but this is not just donald trump the crisis has shown definitively that trump's presidency is not an aberration. It has grown on soil long prepared to receive it. The monstrous blossoming of misrule has structure and purpose and strategy behind it. There are very powerful interests who demand quote freedom in order to do as they like with the Environment Society and the Economy. They have infused a very large part of American culture with the belief that freedom is literally more important than life my freedom to own assault weapons. Trump's your right to get shot at school now my freedom to go to the barber in parentheses he writes. I need a haircut. Read one banner this week in Saint Paul Minnesota trump's your need to avoid infection usually when this kind of outlandish idiocy is displaying itself. There's the comforting thought that if things were really serious it would all stop people would sober up instead. A large part of the. Us has hit the bottle even harder and the president his party and their media allies keep supplying the drinks. There's been no moment of truth. No shock of realization that the antics have to end no one of any substance on the. Us right has stepped into say. Get a grip. People are dying here. This is the mark of how deep the trouble is for. The US is not just. Trump is treated the crisis merely as a way to feed tribal hatreds but that this behavior has become normalized when the freak show is live on. Tv every evening and the star is boasting about his ratings. It's not really a freak show anymore for very large and solid block of Americans. This is reality and the it'll get worse before it gets better. Trump has at least eight more months power in his inaugural address in two thousand seventeen. He evoked American American carnage and promised to make it stop but now that the real carnage has arrived. He's reveling in it. He is in his element as things get worse. Help pump more hatred and falsehood. More death wish defiance of reason indecency into the groundwater if a new administration succeeds him in twenty twenty one it will have to clean up the toxic dump. He leaves behind if he is reelected. Toxicity will have become the lifeblood of American politics either way. It'll be a long time before the rest of the world can imagine America being great again. Now you know I had to read it to you again. The words of a a an Irishman named Fenton O'Toole that was published April twenty fifth in the Irish Times. If you're wondering what the rest of the world thinks about us there you have it. Stunning absolutely stunning all right. Let's do a little bit of news shall we? There's there's some new news I already played. Ya The jared Kushner thing. We'll do we'll do a little bit of it lies okay so we told you this already. The grim milestone of one million confirmed covert nineteen cases reached in the US. Yesterday the country as I mentioned earlier with about four percent of the global population is reported. One third of the world's Corona Virus Infections and fifty seven thousand was the number of Americans who died in the Vietnam War. We've passed that. We're as of as of this morning. There were one million. Nineteen thousand one hundred seventy confirmed corona virus cases here in the US and fifty eight thousand six hundred eleven deaths. And should I remind you of? Of What Jared. Kushner said on Fox and fiends this morning and again we're on the other side of the medical aspect of this that we've achieved all the different milestones that are needed so the the government government rose to the challenge and this is a great success story. Oh God Hey. Donald almost caught don. Jr. There's another John Junior. Hey Jared I got a little song for you moving right along. Here's the news from today. Despite Donald Trump's frequent claims that created the best economy in the history of the world? We have been writing the longest ever economic expansion following the great recession. It's an eleven year old growth trend that started under the Obama Administration after digging out from George Bush's Crash. Well that eleven year growth trend has now ended this morning the Commerce Department released its report on the GDP and it's official the US economy shrank by four point eight percent in the first quarter the biggest decline since the great recession and and economists are warning quarter to is going to be even worse and trump in his idiocy was like. Ho quarter three and quarter four. Or you're GonNa be great giving me the best average great time to buy stocks now after saying originally that they would join the Senate and returning to DC and reconvening on Monday. The House majority leader. Steny hoyer yesterday announced that after consulting with Capitol Police who said or I'm sorry the Capitol physician. There's a doctor who who tends to members of both chambers of Congress. The doctor said there was a risk to members that he wouldn't recommend taking by returning to DC. The House run by the Democrats. Said you know what we're not ready yet. Everyone's going to stay home. They'll keep doing their work by telephone by conference call and everything else but we're not coming back yet because the numbers of infections in the DC metropolitan area are still rising. This has not hit its peak in Washington. Dc At now is not the time to bring hundreds of people to a very compact area so they reversed their decision and will not return By the way the Yes. The capitol physician advises both Houses of Congress. The Republican led Senate has chosen to ignore his recommendation. Unbelievable the other thing is i. Don't I don't know where Donald Trump stance that's not that that's anything new but you know he how he said your head will spin. Well yeah because the other the last week he was criticizing. Georgia's governor camp for reopening the statement. Yesterday he's praising Texas and trying an encouraging Rhonda racist to open up Florida. So you know any way. The wind blows doesn't really matter to him. What else is important? Oh God Mike Pence. Did you see this so Mike Pence yesterday towards the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota? One of the nation's most a respected medical institutions right and the video comes out and shows Mike Pence. Walk in in the Mayo Clinic. Walking around and without a mask on everyone else was masked and that the clinic did issue guidance if you go on their website their guidance is their policy requires masks for all doctors nurses patients and visitors but Mike Pence refused. Cnn asked him. Why didn't you just walk US through position? Not Wear Masks Clinic. Said they tweeted that they asked you do some well. Let me say as vice president of the United States on tested for the corona virus on a regular basis. You know everyone who is around me is tested for the corona virus and when the CDC guidelines about wearing a mask it was their recognition that people that may have the corona virus Could prevent the possibility of conveying the virus to someone else by wearing a mask and since I don't have the corona virus. I thought it'd be a good opportunity for me to be here to be able to speak to these researchers these incredible healthcare personnel and look them in the eye and say thank you Mike Pence. I got a song for you too in other news if ever you were thinking of becoming a vegetarian and swearing off meet. This might be a good time unions in the US. Meatpacking Industry say Donald Trump is jeopardising lives and prioritizing cold cuts over workers health. He invoked the Defense Production Production Act to force meat processing plants to stay open even as the virus spreads among workers. Unbelievable in other news representative. Justin Amash who last year left the Republican Party because he saw what Donald Trump is and was doing not only his party the country. Well I appreciate everything just cinemas done but now he has formed an exploratory group to run to throw his hat in the twenty twenty. Ring to seek the Libertarian Party nomination for president this scares me because I'm afraid it will take the votes of those Republicans or former Republicans who would never vote for Donald Trump who would vote for whatever Democrat was running and split them thereby making it easier for trump to win a marsh. Do the right thing. Don't run. You can't win and if you make it easier for trump to win you're really fucking us all over all right enough of that. I told you a few minutes ago. Don Siegelman is going to join us. I WANNA share with you. Just the opening video the opening segment from this movie that I guess is sort of a companion to the book. He's got coming out Don Siegelman. If you're just joining US former governor of Alabama who in I believe nineteen? I want to say one thousand nine hundred nine but I'm so bad on dates. Don't don't listen to me. Who was targeted by Karl Rove and his cronies for political prosecution and he wound up spending serving five years in federal prison. It's unbelievable so he has a book coming out in June called stealing our democracy. How the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation. So we'll reconvene in June when the book comes out when it's officially released but Don Simmons going to join us in a few minutes to talk about an issue that that he's current issue. It's something that he's very passionate about and for good reason. Nearly you're in a moment but I want to share with you. Just the opening the opening sequence from this movie that's called Abacus versus the architect the political hold on political assassination of Don Siegelman. And here's the beginning of that video. Our criminal justice when it goes wrong can go wrong. Horrendously prostitutes jail. Yes they should be in jail. That's smart but we know she's logged government. Spare no resource. We had to do a week to make sure he wasn't re-elected because he was an ongoing threat to our clients they started to manipulate the criminal justice system one purpose was to keep that from being the gum and the state of Alabama ears. What we call a fraud on the courts no doubt in my mind that Don Siegelman was. They had to get rid of him because he couldn't beat him parents where I think he's a mad. I WANNA GET SOMEBODY'S NECK IN MY HANDS. Twenty degrees injustices of our time. This is one of the most egregious miscarriages of justice that I've encountered some long Alabama. This situation Chris out for the correction in just that is Governor Don SIEGELMAN AGAIN. The beginning hold on. I'm trying to bring it over. There are governor Siegelman. I've got his picture up on the screen for those of you who are watching on Youtube So that was the opening sequence of a film called Abacus versus the architect the political assassination of Don Siegelman and. I'm thrilled to welcome Governor Don Siegelman to the show Governor thank you so much for being here. Oh It's my pleasure. Thank you go you know. We spoke years ago. I think before you reported to prison was that in two thousand twelve yes in two thousand twelve either net bridge nation or the Democratic National Convention or online. I'm not sure yeah now. We spoke by phone. It was definitely a phone interview. I haven't I have not met you in person and I. Yeah I haven't been to any other yes it is well. Thank you so much for being here and as I've been telling the listeners you do have a book coming out. It's called stealing our democracy. How the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation. You're kind enough to send me an advance. Copy a couple of weeks ago that I'm just beginning to read. I know it's going to be released in June and I hope you'll come back on at that time when we can spend time talking about what happened to you really get into the nitty gritty. Because you're prosecution was an American tragedy and travesty and something that everybody should everybody should know about it and unfortunately they don't but it is relevant to what is going on today with Donald Trump limit. Living just give you this one brief comment about what's in the Book and Donald Trump's pictures on the back along with Jeff sessions in Colorado. Say A is because the the abuse of the abuse of power that that targeted me to silence me to get me out of the picture is something that is going on today. If you do not believe. The Department of Justice can be manipulated for political purposes. I would call Donald. Trump is my first witness a fire. James coming up against Sally Yates J Andrew. Mccabe right are hired and fired. Jeff sessions is southern white boy buddy from Alabama and then he hired bill bar does everything he can to manipulate justice to protect Donald Trump. So there's a reason he's all right and there are correlations. I mean for anyone just looking from the outside in. I would say this Justice Department as a lot scarier than the Bush Justice Department who went after you and had you in prison for five years well a and also you know they fired a number of Republican. Us ATTORNEYS WOULD NOT DO CALL. Rose political dirty work including David Iglesias and six others in the but the Department of Justice. We've got to stop the abuse of power that as we got to change our criminal justice system and that was the purpose of this boat is to To to show the public and to build support for changing the justice system. So it can protect those who are most vulnerable. Well good speaking of the and again. We will reconvene in June when the around the books released to to really get in depth into happened because again. This is a story that everybody in America should know with the in order to make sure it never happens again. This your story is not supposed to happen in America but it did right so when I was in prison. That was in prison of with a lot of young men of color and Unfortunately the prison algorithms work against those people in terms of the release early. Release that Bill Bar ordered on April authorities believe it was Of those who are considered non violent and not a threat to public safety. He asked that they be released. So they would reduce the possibility of the spread of corona virus. Well under this offer in under the Federal Bureau presents algorithms only silicon percent. Only seven percent of the african-american organs are going to be eligible for this early release because they view drug offenses as likely to be recidivist. And you know we've we've got to change that and these people need to be need to be lined up right. But that's not the case. So what what? What is the prison that you spent most of your your time in jail and prison him? Well I was in. I was in Oakdale Louisiana which the Wall Street Journal said was president under siege. The Washington Post said it was the epicenter or Ground Zero it was a a focus of NPR Because of the first six inmates that died in the United States five of them were were from oatmeal place where I spent five years. And there's a reason and most people are aware of this now but the prison conditions virtually all prisons in jails city and county jails throughout the country are overcrowded. But when you when you have. Inmates stacked up as were up the hill at one point I was in a room with twenty one people. We called it. The Submarine Submarine Room. Because they were the beds were stacked not just too high but three high Michael Ports. You got into your bunk. You couldn't sit up because there wasn't enough space. You could literally reach L. From alcohol and touch the other bunce. There was one door going into this room. And that was the only entrance and exit and there were no windows no circulation so any virus or any infection that anyone had could easily be passed on to the other end nights and when you have communal showers and communal soap and urinals that are just inches apart is I virtually impossible. I felt like I've got something to help you. Okay I think it's just from talking too much but the it's virtually impossible twos two separate properly and you know the the Attorney General's order that we should release. Nonviolent inmates who are not a threat to public safety raises the question. Why are they in their good question? Right there L. involved and not a threat to public safety. And what are they doing in prison in the first place so hopefully as we form new economies out of this crisis they were going through. Hopefully we'll also see changes in our criminal justice system. I hope so now. Let me ask you this governor. What before this happened to you before you found yourself in federal prison was the subject of prison overcrowding for profit prisons the prison industrial complex. Was that even on your radar. Was that an issue. Your concerned with I was opposed to private as I am now. I was able to get one one person off of death row because they had withheld exculpatory evidence but what? I was convicted of something. I'd do. It never happened. I just sent a shockwave through my body and I want to thank those involved in the innocence project and the equal justice initiative who have managed to get one hundred fifty people off of death row because they were proven to be Edison. So we've got a long way to go in changing our justice system and again the purpose of my book is not to promote the story about me but is called action so that we can change our justice system again to protect those who are most vulnerable right and obviously that's of paramount importance right now. We're seeing persecution of people who shouldn't be prosecuted. Your story is the perfect example. And then we see I mean just watching this administration in action hearing Donald Trump praising. Michael Flynn hearing knowing seeing him. Pardon People like Sheriff Are Pyo and I can't even remember some of the other people he's pardoned. I don't even want to think of it and think who might be pardoned in the future there. Has Roger Step well? He hasn't pardoned him yet but no doubt he will. Apparently Roger Stone found Jesus in prison or is waiting to go to prison. The thing that our justice system is truly flawed and definitely needs an overhaul l. Let me ask you this governor. Siegelman you were at the time. I think went. When did when were you? Run out of office was where it was a two thousand four. I was I was reelected in. Two Thousand and two election was stolen. And that's when I could give you some background. The Justice Department finally admitted actually was revealed through whistleblower in the In the House through the House Judiciary Committee in a sealed. See a letter. From the Department of Justice to then chairman John Conyers that the lead prosecutor in my case the lead prosecutor was emailing my Republican opponents campaign manager giving him updates on the investigation and yet the Department of Justice told John Conyers that my prosecution was not politically motivated ran. It was it was it was started by car rose client. It was advanced by car. Rose business for this wife who was bush-appointed. Us Attorney the money for my defeat was raised by Jack. Abramov twenty billion dollars. He admits this in his book. And also in the documentary. My election was stolen by Karl. Rove's client and the list goes on so the Both the the election big stolen that my prosecution or definitely political he liked it gets back to my point about Donald Trump. We've got to stop the abuse of power and it starts with changing our criminal. Justice system definitely definitely be very quickly for those who don't know the story. What was the charge that they accused you of? It was bribery right young at the time. That the that Jack Abramov was funneling. Twenty million dollars of Indian casino money into Alabama to defeat me and to defeat my papa education lottery proposal. It was a ballot initiative designed to give every child early learning and free college education grains and at the time that they were funneling in twenty million dollars illegally to defeat me. I was raising money to promote the passage of the constitutional amendment. I accepted a contribution from a fortune. Hundred five hundred Ceo and reappointed him to a board that he had been on for twelve years only about two Republicans and one governor before me come on. Democratic governor before the Fourth Governor to appoint him as God as my witness when I called and asked him if he would serve as my right hand did. If I'm like the what I asked him to serve on the board he said Oh governor. Do I have to? I'll have gone and that guy surf of years. Wow robbery and he didn't even want to be on the guy. They went after him too. So the point is I want to make another point here so I was. I was sent to prison on the basis of the campaign contribution to Education Lottery Foundation. There was no no evidence of quid pro quo much less than expressway but in my book also talk about the impeachment trial of Donald. Donald Trump In that trial we had express evidence of audiotapes of of the president swapping military aid for an investigation of Joe Bod Yup so but the Republican asserted decided that even that wasn't enough to Return on articles of impeachment. So we've got this dichotomy and you know. The law applies to some people in one way into others in another way gets back to the point of my book. We've got to change our criminal justice system without a doubt. But here's the question. I was going to get at. Did the Democratic Party. Come to your aid at all. Did they do anything to help you? As you were under siege from Karl Rove and the Republicans will let me. Let me let me let me say. Let me ask you this. In two ways some self selected members of the party Steny Hoyer And a number of other members of the House Judiciary Committee one of my champions was of course Jon condoms and but I want to quote from the Los Angeles Times of January the Fourth January the fifth two thousand and ten David savage the legal correspondent for the La Times said in a hearing before the United States Supreme Court President Obama's lawyer. That's General Argh ID the following and I quote. Us citizens United States do not have a constitutional right not to be frightened. Now think about that. Do not have a constitutional right not to be framed. Okay that the government of the United States the process lawyer is telling the United States Supreme Court that the that the federal government can frame citizens in. There's nothing indeed about it well. The problem is the solicitor. General was correct because the Federal Tort Claims Act gives immunity prosecutors willfully and intentionally framed. Some water withhold exculpatory evidence. Another jeep the Chief Justice Night Circuit Alex. Brzezinski said the withholding the withholding of exculpatory evidence by prosecutors is epidemic. And but there are ways that we can we can prevent that. I've laid out a clan in my book so that we can. We can bring some make. Some sense of this. Obviously prosecutors should not be allowed to willfully intentionally framed someone in the case that I was just mentioning. There were two African Americans from Iowa. He'll have been frame for crime that they didn't commit. They spent twenty five years in prison. And we're suing the prosecutors for civil damages so yet we've got to make some changes and I hope that people I look forward to getting the chance to come back and talk about the book and encourage people to to read it and understand why we got to change our justice system definitely and again. It is available for preorder now at you know all the usual sources Amazon. There's a new place called bookshop dot org. That actually helps out independent booksellers to plug them. Anyway it's called stealing our democracy. There really stand I believe is June sixteenth. So we will have you back on again because I've got. I've got a million questions around this. I was mad. That Obama didn't Parnu but we'll get to that next time right now. The immediate concern is all these people who are stuck in prisons from jails prisons who have no freedom who have no no control over where they are. They can't socially distanced from others. Because there's not this space there and they're being held and they don't have the freedom to leave. So what what can we do? What do we write to somebody? What do we do? I'm concerned about one inmate within my served. He was a conduit for information. I was getting information from him. Indirectly in passing it on to the House. Judiciary Committee through a congressman of a Hang Johnson in Georgia. And what? I'm I'm concerned about this inmate because I haven't heard from Info for a week which which means well it needs it. Means he's in solitary confinement and I don't know whether he's in solitary confinement as a as a measure of quarantine Before they release them because he is in danger of contracting to grow virus or whether he's in solitary confinement because he was releasing information to try to protect 'em mason federal presence. But I can tell you this. I was put in solitary confinement for talking on the Tom. Hartman show Also put in solitary confinement for talking to Robert Barnes of the Washington Post It is it is not uncommon for the for the Federal Bureau presents to retaliate against inmates. Who are whistle-blowers? Wow and that should be illegal and we have an administration now. Unfortunately who wants to go after whistleblowers expose them prosecute them everything when they should have protections one quick comment? One of the whistle blows number whistle blowers in my case was a Republican paralegal. Work for the Department of Justice. She filed a former whistleblower complaint stating that. She was present when the key witness in. My trial was pressured and can Joe Cajole to remember things. The prosecution wanted this witness toll. Scott Pelley of sixty minutes that he was interviewed or met with prosecutors or investigators over seventy times in made to write and rewrite his proposed testimony in a loose leaf notebook to get prepared for trial so the whistleblower in my case was guess what she wasn't rewarded she was fired and it was signed off during the Obama Administration by David. Margot's was the number two guy in the Department of Justice sees recently passed away but on so not only not only do whistle blowers not get rewarded. They get punished if they expose things that could be embarrassing to the Department of Justice. You hear these stories and we think that these could never happen but it does it. Has It happened to you? It's happening to people you know. And I'm I'm worried about your friend Somebody and there's no way you can find out what his status is that. There's no way at this point which is after wait awhile and see what emerges of we will we will hear from you. Venezuela's in solitary confinement for fifty nine days. One time in forty nine days another so that It can be. It can be a while before we might hear from this. This gentleman governor. I can't even imagine I'm on. My one experience in jail was almost ten years ago now. I went to what was supposed to be a town hall meeting with my then Congressman. You might remember crazy Allen West. I'm in Florida. And I tried to ask him a question about his vote to basically privatize Medicare and they weren't having any of that and basically. I was a objected from the room and because reporters were trying to ask me questions and stuff long story short. They arrested me. Threw me in. Jail kept me overnight and they put four of us in a in one cell. That was used to store mattresses while they cleaned the the cellblock as it were and forgot about us and left us in there for like an hour and we came out. I told the guard that he doesn't apology. Well for my troubles I got thrown into a cell by myself and left in there for a few hours. I heard them calling my name. I knew my husband had come to bail me out and they wouldn't let me out. That played such tricks on my mind in just a couple of hours. I can't imagine what it's like to be thrown in solitary confinement for days or weeks and you had to live through that I it's just horrific. I can't even. I imagine how they did this to you. I'm asking asking you and your listeners and viewers to help me gain the credibility to stand before Congress and argue for changes that will protect the least of these yes able with L. Voices and without power. Okay well we're here for you Is there anything that you want my listeners to do now? Is there anything we can do to help the prisoners who are stuck there with way out or or do we wait until you join us again next month to figure out what comes next? You know that I honestly don't know what can be done other than you know. You're calling calling your your the local mayor the the county. Sheriff the Governor of the president. Well the a waste of rain members of Congress. Certainly the house. Judiciary COMMITTEE IS FIRED UP. And they've been putting pressure on billboard to release an mason release information and the one one point. I want to make again before I leave is just. It's okay to release them now. Why why were they there in the first place? So let's we got. We got a job to do in this country and your listeners will put me in a position where I can do that job. You got it. Well Don Siegelman. You're welcome here anytime anytime. Just call tax whatever and we'll do whatever we can to amplify it on this end a lot of people in chat room saying how do we? How does he want us to amplify so-called your your congressman? Call Your senators saying if people are in jail for? Nonviolent non victimless crimes. Let them out the sentencing them to death. Sentence it's just it's inhumane so I guess that's how we start also go to Amazon or your local bookstore pre order my book which Paul Helped Propel this conversation and into a national dialogue will give me a chance to get full congressman. They make an argument for those people who need help. Absolutely people can find more information about the book at stealing our democracy dot org you can also go to Don siegelman DOT ORG ALPA links to all of it on my blog. Nicole Sandler Dot Com along with the podcast governor. Siegelman thank you so much. I'm I'm I feel weird saying I'm a fan of yours but I've been a follower of your story and I'm so appreciative of all the work you did and I hate what was done to you. So thank you for joining us and I look forward to our next time talking. Backlash Nicole look forward to seeing you again. Me TO TAKE CARE. Thank you so much. Bye Bye you too governor Don Siegelman and with that. We're we're done for the day. Wow ordered the book again. I'll put all the info on the blog. It Nicole Sandler Dot Com. Thanks for listening everyone. We'll see tomorrow. Stay safe by.

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20200610 Nicole Sandler Show - Our Surveillance State with Jason Leopold

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20200610 Nicole Sandler Show - Our Surveillance State with Jason Leopold

"The following program content graphic material including offensive language. Your this question is advised. She's got the news. She talks with news. Makers encourages us to laugh. And she cries with US speaking truth to power, and Questioning Authority daily. It's the Nicole Sandler show. Hello and welcome to A. One day. I'm Nicole Sandler coming to you live on progressive voices network along with Nicole Sandler Dot Com and Youtube and facebook live periscope, and you know. However you have found US welcome to the show it's another crazy day in America a lot going on in a lot to deal with today coming up our guest on today's program is my friend Jason. Leopold Jason is senior investigative reporter at Buzzfeed News and he is broken. So many stories including a big one just last week. As we were watching the insanity going on around the protests, and and the police response to the protests Jason. Leopold broken new story about new sweeping surveillance powers that were given. To The DA. The DA the Drug Enforcement Administration. Really. The the DA is supposed to only have powers to. Deal with with drug charges the, but so so we'll get the whole story from Jason. There have been developments in the story since last week when. The story broke but Jason Leopold is the guy that the government has nicknamed the Foia Terrorist. See. This is a problem because Jason. Leopold is a journalist and a really damn good one, and he's mastered the art of the Foia. Requests Foia Freedom of Information Act it is a legal process by which not only journalists, but citizens can obtain information because allegedly here on the United States. We have some level of of transparency or we're supposed to do anyway. Boy How things have changed. Since well since that that was supposed to be the the basis on which the nation was formed. Yeah, but not so much. So we'll speak with Jason I got a lot of news to go through, and I realized that yesterday I was so wound up that I, never got to a funny. You know those of you who are new to the program. Because now we're live at five welcome I liked to try to start the show or somewhere in the opening moments of the program to play something. That that brings forth a laugh or two, because invariably things get kind of serious throughout the course of the hour and. No laughter is really good medicine. So what I've stumbled upon is during the course of this pandemic, a number of. Really creative people around the world who have been making really fun. Funny parody videos. And so I came across this one guy who's in South Africa who is a recording artist to his real name is David Scott, but he goes by the professional name of the Kipness K. I F F any S, and he's made some incurred. The regular listeners of the program could tell you he's made some of the most amazing parody songs videos. because. He is a musician. He's a working musician and I think his. Format of basically like electric music, but he's done some incredible song parodies I put a link on the blog today along with you know put in today's video as well. I'll post the whole thing, so you can see it. Those of you who are just listening perhaps on progressive voices and don't see the video feed I will make sure. To share that with you and so anyway. The. Kipness has been kinda quiet for the last three weeks. I think he might have gotten to a little bit of hot water. He recorded a version of the. He's in South Africa. If I didn't already say that of the South African, national anthem and a couple of video, showing that. Something Weird was going on anyway, so it had been about three weeks in this guy's really prolific, and then finally today sure enough. A new video from the kipness popped up on my. Computer screen, and I was so happy to see it, and this one is really good in it works. I've I've hesitated to play a comedy bit in the last few days because our situation is so dire. George Floyd was buried was laid to rest yesterday. I certainly, and that's probably why it imply one because there was just nothing appropriate for the occasion, but this one this new one from the kipness. Is really good, and it fit the mood that we're all experiencing right now. So with no further ado and yes, I will post it for those of you. Who Only hearing the audio feed? That's good enough. But the video adds another element to it so I will post on the blog after the show at Nicole Sandler Dot, com you can always find the days podcast on my blog with at Nicole Sandler dot com slash the date so for today it would be six Dash Ten dash twenty. That's that's simple. And I post every day. Show there, so if you missed it when it's happening, you can always get there and the usual podcasts. APPS as well all right I'm I'm delaying and I. Don't know why 'cause. It's really really good so with no further ado. Take it away the kipness. Hey. This month, being A. Come September twenty two. Starts. We can start Hey. The friend! Committee. You. Can. Be. Sane. and. Show. That it's. Up. Don't be. Mad. Amber? In. You. This. Hey. How awesome was that Hey June? June. Yes, the kipness. You can find his channel on Youtube and again he makes these wonderful parodies in that one I think fit the mood perfectly aren't there's a lot of news to get to today? we will in a moment, but again as we started yesterday. We're trying something. A new because we are streaming on the Progressive Voices Channel Live now at five o'clock eastern every day so we're. We're running commercials on that stream, so fingers crossed. Let's give it a shot again. We'll take a very quick break. And We'll be right back on the progressive. Voices Network. All right I think progressive voices is in spots right now, so while while it's just you and me. Oh and I should run a timer, so I know when a few minutes is up and I can. End The the spots and and get back to this, but but it's us so by the way. Should you care to call in? I, know somebody. We had a very somebody who has persistently calling yesterday. But it wasn't working the way it works on this program basically anytime during the first half hour. If. You've got a burning comment to make feel free to call in a loan. My own producer engineer board up everything I. Don't have anyone screening phone calls, but if you WANNA call in you can nine, five, four, eight, eight, nine, six, four one. Oh, is the number, or you can skype June Nicole Sandler. If I, answer your call I I will take it live if I don't you know well, it's just because I'm busy in something else so I'll tell you what while we are awaiting for the progressive voicestream to come back. I WANNA. Share with you. Something that I watched. Some of There was a hearing this morning. A hearing in the House Judiciary Committee. about? Racial profiling and police, violence and George Plant George Floyd's brother. Knees I think is how you pronounce. His name spoke very passionately, and eloquently made five minutes statement. That's about all I saw of the uring today, but I want to share with you some of what he said. This is a man who has not been in the spotlight before certainly has never testified before a congressional committee about anything serious as police, brutality, and certainly the death of a family member, but here's a little bit of what felonies floyd had to say today to the House Judiciary Committee was our gentle giant. I was reminded. Reminded of that when I watched the video of his murder, he out of his third, he was mild manner. He didn't fight back. He listened to all the offices the man who took his life who suffocated him for eight minutes and forty six seconds. He still call them serve as he begged for his life. I can't tell you the kind of pain. You feel when you watch something like that. When you watch big brother, who you looked up to your whole entire life, di Di big boys, mom, I'm tired. Harper tired of pain. Paying. You feel when you watch something like that. When you watch big brother, who'd you looked up to for your whole life? Da Da begging for his mom. I'm here to ask you to make it stop. Stop the pain. Stop US being tired. George Carl for help and he was ignored. Please listen to the cow. I'm making to you now. To the calls about family and the cows ringing off the streets across the world, people of all backgrounds genders erases, have come together to demand change. On it him. On a George Yeah make the necessary changes that make law enforcement the solution. And not the problem. Hold them accountable when they do something wrong. Teach them what it means to treat. People with empathy and respect teach them what necessary forces teach them that their poor should be used rarely, and only when life they risk George wasn't hurting anyone that day. He didn't deserve to die over twenty dollars I'm asking you is that what a black man is worth twenty dollars like breaking? This is twenty twenty enough is enough. The people marching in the streets are telling you enough is enough by the leaders. That is our country. The world needs the right thing. The people elected you to speak for them to make positive change Georgia's named mean something. You have an opportunity here today to make your name me something to his death end up changing the world for the better and I think it will. Then he died as he lived. It is to make sure his death is not in vain. Again. That was felonies Floyd George Floyd's. Who made a point to mention during his remarks today that he is now the older brother. George was his big brother. He's now the big brother of the family. It's heartbreaking. It's just just horribly sad. But. At least the family I mean they have this feeling that their brother is changing. The world has changed the world. Will change the world. Now just a couple of weeks or a week even or a few weeks? I'm sorry before. George Floyd was murdered at the hands of the Minneapolis police four of them anyway for members of the Minneapolis Police Department. a woman in Louisville. Kentucky was gunned down in her own home now we've talked about Brianna Taylor before. In fact, it was her birth. She would have been twenty seven last week. And today finally three months after Louisville Metro. Police officers fatally shot Brianna Taylor in her apartment. The department has released the incident report from that night. And it is disgusting. It's almost entirely blank. I'm reading to You from the Louisville Courier Courier Journal. Who writes the four page? Report lists the time date, case, number, instant, location, and the victim's name. Brianna Shaquille Taylor as well as the fact that she is was a twenty six year old black female. The, article points out that redact her the her address, the street number apartment, number and date of birth, all of which have been widely reported. And here's where it gets really. Horrible. It List Sir injuries as quote none. None even though she was shot at least eight times and died on her hallway floor in a pool of blood. It lists the charges as death investigation l., M. PD involved, but it checks the no box under forced entry, even though officers used a battering Ram ten knock in her apartment door, using a no knock warrant. It also lists under the offenders portion of the report. The three officers who fired insider, her poor, her apartment, Sergeant John Mattingly Forty seven years old miles cosgrove forty two and Brett Hankinson forty four. But the most important portion of the report, the narrative of events that spells out what happened on March thirteenth has only two words. P., you investigation. And the rest of the report has no information filled in at all. Of course, I had to look up what I you. Investigation Means Public Integrity Unit. seriously. The editor of the newspaper that I'm reading to You from the Louisville Courier Journal said I read this report and I have to ask the mayor, the police chief and the city's lawyers. Are you kidding? This is what you consider being transparent to tax payers in the public. And then he continued at a time when so many are rightfully demanding to know more details about that tragic march evening? I fail to understand this lack of transparency. The public deserves more. Again this happened about twelve forty, a m Taylor and her boyfriend Kenneth. Were Asleep in bed when the three plainclothes officers use this, no knock warrant. Signed by district. Judge Mary Shaw to enter her home as part of an alleged narcotics investigation. The officers say although it's not on the incident report. They say they announced their presence, but her boyfriend Kenneth Walker and several neighbors say did not Walker his said he thought intruders were trying to break in and fired a warning shot that struck one of the officers mattingly in the leg. Mattingly her. Hankinson and Cosgrove are now on administrative, reassignment. Pending the investigation. The detective who requested the warrant somebody named Joshua. Jane's has also been reassigned, but that's about all we know. And, the lawyer, John Fleiss Shankar. WHO's the council for the newspaper and one of the principal authors of the state's open records law that requires the release of public documents in all, but extremely rare circumstances, said this document as proof that Elham. Louisville, Metro Police Department continues to make a mockery of transparency under the Fisher amendment. He said there's been a consistent policy and practice of refusing to tell the public. What is going on with the police? Regardless of how inappropriate the the officer conduct has been even when it was criminal as in the Ellen PD explorer case. So. The the Courier Journal, the newspaper is suing the police department seeking the immediate release of the of the Department's investigative file in the shooting. Something else was released. And, that's the nine one one call. Placed by Kevin Walker. Brianna Taylor's boyfriend. But it was only released by the police department after one of Taylor's attorneys, families attorneys gave it to the news media now I'm going to play it for you, but I'm warning you. This is really difficult to listen to you and one of the most frustrating things when I first heard it I was screaming my daughter Wa- walked in here and said what's the matter I was screaming? Because the nine one one operator isn't even fucking paying attention to what this obviously distressed man is calling about, you'll hear, he says my girlfriend's been shot by an intruder and the operator says she responsive in you know. She responsive and he says No. And then a minute later, she asks the same question again. All right, so brace yourself. Here's that nine one one call placed by Kenneth. Kenneth Walker says name. Sorry operator heckler their emergency. On what happened? It's the body in the door inside my grocery. Located? I'll three three speed field apartment, four, three, zero, zero. Three failed Dr apartment number four. She's just last. How does your girlfriend? Girlfriend. Twenty eight. Shot it. I don't know only grow I gotta go. She's on the ground right now. He's trying to. Fix. She learned able to tie. Bedroom apartment up before. Oh My yes, he already said that you have it. Back. You thank. Angus actually twenty six. Oh my God! That's the third time he has. A row, three filth apartment number four. Okay. You've been shot at. You. Ask that already burned. If? You ask. You not listening to what he's saying. It's amazing to me the inhumanity. Nine one one operator. Can you get her turned over on her back out? A. Wide. Kenneth. Can. Can you hear me? And? Then he hung up, and then he she tried to call him back and he doesn't answer. She asked him three times how old she was! Twenty six. He asked she asked him issue responsive. Able to talk to you. He said no, and then she asked again after she again asked his age. What the? Fuck. This is unbelievable and I don't know gene is asking in the chat room. Where are the cops right now? Because they broke down the door with a battering ram. And and And came in and shot her eight times. I'm story I'm I'm. Distressed by this as we all should be, how does this happen? In America, and how are those cops? They're on administrative reassignment. Are you kidding me. I just this is US standing that this shit goes on up just astounding. And there's more to tell you about I you know. Bill Bar is having a really bad day. And that's okay with me I regarding his efforts to sorry for the quick. Change but let me share with you. This new outright and the cops went into the wrong apartment. No mention of that on the incident report either it's just sickening. Okay onto bill bar because he's thickening, too, so you know it was a couple of weeks ago. Bill Bar announced the Department of Justice wanted to just forget that whole case against Michael Flynn his conviction for perjury, lying to the FBI. and. Barth told the judge. Emmet Sullivan just dropped the charges. Let's just dismiss this and move on and Emmet. Sullivan said Hell No. I don't work for you. I'm a judge. A US district. Court judge and what he decided to do was rather than go along with bars, bullshit dismissal of the charges to which flint already pled guilty. Solve in pause the case. He said he wanted to hear from outside groups and appointed retired New, York federal judge John Gleeson to argue to represent. I guess us we the people against the DOJ's May. Seventh motion to immediately drop the prosecution. Well today there was a formal briefing to judge Sullivan by this retired Judge Gleeson and he called bars attempt to undo the conviction, a quote, gross abuse of prosecutorial power. He submitted an eighty two page opinion and Annet gleason wrote quote Flynn has indeed committed perjury in these proceedings, for which he deserves punishment, and the court has the authority to initiate a prosecution for that crime I respectfully recommend however that the court not exercise that authority rather it should take Flynn's perjury into account in sentencing him on the offense to which he has already admitted guilt. This approach rather than a separate prosecution for perjury or attempt aligns with the courts intent to treat this case and this defendant in the same way, it would any other. Yes A full hearing is scheduled. On July, sixteenth. So that happened today, but that's not all. Then twelve hundred and fifty former justice department workers today signed onto a letter to the Inspector General of the Justice Department Michael. Horowitz calling for an investigation into bars involvement in the law enforcement move if you could call it that last, Monday to push the crowd of peaceful protesters back from Lafayette Square using courses tear-gas. Yes, tear gas and Flash BANGS Quote. In particular, we are disturbed by attorney general bars, possible role in ordering law enforcement personnel to suppress a peaceful domestic protests and Lafayette Square on June I twenty twenty for the purpose of enabling. Trump to walk across the street from the White House and stage, a photo op at St John's Church, a politically motivated event in which attorney general. Bar Participated. That's a quote from this group of more than twelve hundred fifty former justice. Department officials. To to calling for an investigation. Oh poor bill bar. He's having a bad day. Be like John Oliver was toward Tucker Carlson the other not I hope you watch that club. He's having a bad i. hope he's getting some exercise or some. You know doing some yoga or doing something to. You know feel better. No. I don't fuck you. Fuck you, Bill Bar, fuck you and the horse you wrote on. All Right? We've got Jason Leopold coming up in just a moment, so let's try one more quick break. I from our friends for our friends. Whoops I gotta get the right thing up here. This is the kind of cumbersome clunky system, but you know. Hey, I'll go with the flow. will be right back again with Jason Leopold. oops hold on this one okay? On the progressive voices network. All right so while I get Jason on the line and hopefully he should be there. Let me share this with you because you know this show. Runs on your generosity. These are the sounds of crushed souls. The sounds of despair from former manager personalities. Languishing in the purgatory of corporate consolidation. These former radio personalities have lost their livelihoods not because they weren't entertaining or informative, but because they don't lead today's corporate terrestrial broadcast standards of being smelly overweight. Douche bags seething with main bobbing hatred. As radio refugees and their audiences have since migrated to the Internet. But their struggle continues as in the quest for monetization ensues Nicole. Sandler is leading the way to re-establishing thought provoking and entertaining radio, and you can help Mike living the donate button on Nicole. Sandler Dot Com donate today, or as much as often as you can dry the tears of listeners by removing the rotting stench of radio. Won't you help? I think we're back and joining us now is my dear friend. The foia terrorist nothing terrorist is. About him, Jason Leopold Jj's. Nicole. See You. In your in your whole studio setup. And it's cool to see you, too. Although there you go okay now you're moving a little bit I'm still trying all this new You know new new toys that I. have with the setup so I can bring in video now. You're seeing me from the side. You're not seeing the that's going out to the to the. Don't scream yeah. So Jason Leopold first of all. How are you guys holding up with this whole pandemic craziness bill? It's still surreal. Obviously! What surreal about it honestly is the fact that? You have to live through it, but also have to report off. So you know serving as a in these two different capacities wanted a father trying to get my kid. Masan to acclimate to go to school online at the same time. You know trying to find out what happened behind the scenes reporting on it and it's just. Surreal you know, tell you the truth. It's It's nice to be in La I. IT feels a bit more stable here if you will. It's It's just. It's been hard and the. Speed, we've actually gone furloughs of awesome, really really really really amazing journalists as as a result of this because the economic downturn, right? I saw that you you. You wrote in a message to me last night that you're saying goodbye to all these friends now did they expect that these people will eventually come back or do you think those jobs are gone? it's unclear, but it also seems unlikely I mean doesn't be like anything getting better yet. You know economically which I'm sure you and I. Can you know consider in talk about this for some time? Which is unbelievable to me to to see what's playing out in real time where you have massive unemployment academy that tanking pandemic, you know. Up Protests over police brutality, the death of George is. It feels like there's her storm. and. It's remarkable to actually even through the back to pandemic just. Knowing that. There's more than a hundred thousand people who died. And the president has as. I'm not in comment about. No no, because he's more concerned with the stock market. Then with you know the lives that are being lost and now today he's announced that starting. I guess next week. He's going to pick up start. Start doing rallies again in places like Florida and Arizona two states, where the the the the the numbers of infections are on the rise again it's. The whole thing's seen. It is and it, and it does feel insane and it's exhausting by At, the work still needs to be done. The reporting still needs to be done, so it's it's. You know got got at this point after these you have to report these stories in my personal opinion for almost for historical purposes an reasons because they are completely trying to cover up what what took place behind the scenes. What's been happening with? The documents? Say I can tell you just on the on the. Coronavirus covid nineteen pandemic I already have like two or three freedom of Information Act lawsuits against the government against a wide range of agencies in the reason I. have that is because we don't know what happened really behind the same. We need to see those documents. We need to see what the CDC. You know how they communicated with the White House Task Force. There is a lack of transparency and and the public needs to. Know, what What's been taking place? We do, but when when they do talk to us, they lie, so it's like I can't you I? Don't believe anything that comes out of this administration. Jason do you. Know. Angry! I don't believe. and honestly you know I have questions for all administrations because I never. I, never just take the word for at too high right over here. You can't see it, but I have a poster. From I F stone. Who is a former? You know a late muckraking stone. It was based on the movie poster from a- from a documentary did, but it's. It's titled All Governments Y. And you know that that's my? That's the maximum if you will that that I live by, it's you know it's. It's why I ask for documents. I want to see what they're actually saying. Right and and it should be noted that I believe it was the Obama Administration who dubbed you the foia terrorist. What yeah so this has been going on for a while. I should also mention before we get into this current story that on Friday. Former Alabama, Governor Don Siegelman will be here for the better part of our. He has a new book out called Oh and I have it in the other room almost I've got like twenty pages left stealing our democracy, and although I knew about his case, he was targeted by Karl Rove and set up and prosecute. He was like the original political prisoner in this country and. And what was done to him is just reprehensible and as I'm reading this book. It's all coming back to me and even more, because I wasn't aware of a lot of you know the machinations that went on in the in the courtroom and stuff that Karl Rove and that Bush justice. Department did to this man who was the Democratic Governor of Alabama is just unbelievable and I bring that up. Because you've had your own run INS with Karl Rove in covering him and try to right Oh. Yes I have. It's It's obviously I. It seems like a lifetime. Go that. That's a place with Don Siegelman. Yeah, I remember very well. Reporting wanted what was happening and the politicisation. That will take place. As a related, his case and Yeah just the. You know the prosecutorial the alleged prosecutorial misconduct so that. That was that was chilling. At that time, it was chilling and so when you look at what this trump administration is doing, and the the Bill Bar Justice, department, can you say it's worse than the Bush? Justice Department under Alberto Gonzales when they fired all of those US attorneys that they had appointed in the first place because they weren't doing their political bidding strongly enough I mean. Is there any difference between the two? That's a really really good question. I think is a question that has not been asked. and it's really important. I was having I just had a conversation. With a friend just moments before I. Start speaking with you and we were discussing history, and you know the fact that people don't really have right now. Good crass history now we remember what the Justice Department you know under George Bush. there was an officer legal counsel there and that off illegal council created a memorandum that essentially gave the Bush administration and the CIA the authorization to torture right so that that's right. That's bad That's that's beyond bad. That's a it's a crime. There were efforts to try to bring you know these folks up on work on. There was you know essentially ways in which they tried to twist the law to fit the intelligence or the facts. At the Justice, department ask these other agencies, but specifically the at the Justice Department. Things happened that what are arguably far worse than what's happening now? Right So. Yeah I would say that as it relates to the first turn first term of Bush's first term. It was worse it was worse because of. Of of what they actually did in terms of how it? Related to the law here. under bar. It is becoming progressively worse. What's what's important to note about? He's actually only been attorney general for a little over a year. Wow, well. This time he was not yet back in back in the nineties. You know. Yeah, he's. He has a history, but under right now, but the way in which he has. Completely turned that department on its head is just unreal and the ways in which he is apparently dealing with a Bush at trunks bidding. Is It's remarkable to see so the difference. Is that under Bush? We didn't see that. Play out so openly so publicly right right? It took years and years and years to understand how they did that. So it does make it worse now to some degree I know I sound satellite contradiction justice to see what's happening, but it's also. There's a benefit to it right meaning to because it gives you a at least an effort to to do something about it to To challenge it so Yeah, so it's it's. It's funny. One of my cases you know the. The judge presiding over my efforts to unredacted the the full mullah report. He issued an opinion essentially said that ill are cannot be trusted. Album Liar said he misled the public. Wow! This is playing out now where you know, another judge is saying that you're the Michael Flynn case should not be dismissed. I just reported on that. This is the guy that the judge Sullivan of then appointed debate, basically be the people's advocate, and to argue you know against what bill bar wants, which is complete. Dismissal of the charges against him to which he had already pled guilty, so and I just I reported on that right at the top of the show. This judge retire judge. John. Gleeson said Hell No, you need to prosecute this guy need to sentence him for what he's already been found guilty of. Right? Yeah, right so. So you can see the you know the ways in which the justice. Department is an Am Bill Maher acting as fronts, personal attorney, and it. Honestly you know to kind of use that comparison with the Bush administration it remains to be seen. What they have done that? We don't know about whether it when it comes to legal opinion, and you know any efforts that May. Pertain to national security operations that we don't know about right so and it will take time to learn that, but as we can see it playing out publicly right now, it's terrible and as I reported last week. You know the story that we don't offer That That that is one example. Let's go into it, so it was just a week ago today. I believe that you broke another big scoop your your keep doing this Jason Your reported about a memo from the DA to justice, requesting this new authority to conduct covert surveillance and collect intelligence on people participating in protests over the killing of George, Floyd and a senior Justice Department official signed off on it last week bar issued a statement in which he blamed without providing evidence, anarchistic and far left extremists using ANTIFA like tactics. Give me a fucking break so this story, the DA the DA is Drug Enforcement Administration are they supposed to be used in this manner and test spy on. No have they done it before? Yes, I have they done it. Back in. Nineteen Ninety two or earlier that when Bill Bar was? At rural yes, so. There and it's the kind of break this down for you Yeah. This is very this memo. That was prepare on May thirty first just as our gave released a statement calling. Anti and. And Protesters more or less, you know, terror right, yeah! an-and day after trump tweeted the same I check the Meta data on that Nemo admitted says it was prepared by the DA's deputy chief counsel. Robert Leeson was really important to note here. If you can see it on the story on the memo says it was a A. Address if the person who was writing it or sending rather was Timothy Shay, rank the acting administrator of the DA. He's also close. Confidante of ours is former aide of course. Also is also the US attorney that overrule other prosecutors in the Michael Flame case and went to core. And saw the dismissal of the charges against Michael Flynn. At the DA for about two weeks. Oh, my God. Of this memo is extraordinary because it's essentially grant has the Justice Department has granted the DA the sweeping new powers to. Spy On protestors to collect intelligence to essentially. Enforce any federal crime to question them to. Interrogate them There is nothing built into the memo. That protects constitutional rights. Of people participating in protests at to to? Speak Freely Exercise Their First Amendment Rights so. It appears to be. Like an operation. What I found after ordering this is that. the DA sent. Dozens of agents in Washington DC. They have agents from the Special Response Team, which is essentially the as version of Swat. Group that also or a team that also? Conducts Ducts Surveillance what they agents coming in from from Boston there may have been as many as one hundred fifty there. It's unclear. By This authority was granted to the DA for two weeks beginning on May thirty first, so it remains to be seen whether it will be extended and I think that it will likely be extended. Protests continue, so this was on. A nationwide basis is not just for DC for for Minneapolis. This is you know a a nationwide effort and it's part of a larger effort. Way. Our Bill using bill bars words. He is saying that he's. They're trying to get a law. Enforce federal law enforcement served into. The protest. In an effort to essentially try to say that there are in the protesters are are part of an organized. You Know Group They're the other well-funded, so it can support. What trump has said which is, they're terrorists? Right. My sources, and and from what I gathered just in the reporting over the past week I've seen is that they are moving quickly in that direction, and that Nicole is so unbelievably dangerous. It is Jason Leopold as I'm noticing I've got an article up here from ABC. News Intel dated last night. Intelligence bulletin warning of protest. Related violence makes little mention of quote ANTIFA which we've discussed at length here because there is no such, it's not an organization and the only way it's mentioned in here sort of like in a footnote. As an aside the. And and it's this reporting has been echoed by everyone from the nation to NPR to buzzfeed news and everyone beyond this gives. Gas Lighting pure and simple. There is no antiga doing this, and in fact when you dig into these reports, we see that it's a lot of white supremacist groups. In some cases, the clan right and they don't go there. They don't call out any right-wing nutjob organizations. They don't call out the clan or or a white supremacists as they should. Well. That's what makes this dangerous home is that they're targeting? People. Who? They're claiming are terrorists manner. A bill vars doing so without any evidence yet wrong. Out Any evidence, and essentially I. Don't know if it's it's to you know, convince their base, or or or maybe the public at large shoes unclear. On what energy is? ANTIFA ought without as you noted without mentioning the people that actually have been. Identified as infiltrating participating agencies like the FBI whether you believe the FBI or not, which you know, well known white supremacist groups, so yeah, the the the. The documents that have been released that the intelligence all kinds for example that you're citing from your. There's no evidence there. We already know that in New York the I'm people who were picked out task Russian for you know for whatever reason whether it's They were accused of a crime. They've been also by the FBI and they've been asked about their. ANTIFA ties on, so it's. There is a concerted effort to try and target is. People when I say these people I don't mean these people you are. Part of an imaginary or Dacian and. Wright. Changed her name to anti-fascists Nicole Sandler. The whole thing is just so insane there. For them to go after quote Antifa when you realize antifascist, so they're going against the people who are against Fascism yeah. Well, yes, I mean it's it. Look look what we're doing we're. We're trying to understand the insanity. That you know behind? What they're you? Why. They're doing what they're doing, right? That's what also makes it so dangerous. Okay, you want the Attorney General. The United States, using the full force, the FBI the DA, the alcohol tobacco, and Firearms ATF Department of Homeland Security. The national, guard to target prosecute. individuals who are exercising their first amendment rights. An End Jesse this memo when I looked at this memo Nicole, I was blown away the first thing I saw was. Covert surveillance and you know I immediately went into reporter mode, which was I need to get this story out. I need to a story and in the weeks since we've written the story on nearly fifty members of Congress, which includes powerful. You Know Democrats. Such as whole such as Dianne Feinstein such as. Mark Warner the vice chairman of the of the intelligence. The Judiciary Committee, How. Are you know any. They've written to to our Juche and to say essentially. This has to stop you. Demand Give us an immediate briefing which we know that that the justice. Department will just on their nose at so you know. It's it's GonNa take more than just sending a letter, but at least they've put it on notice and I think that's why it's important. This is my whole point about transparency, right? This is what I was saying at the beginning of the show, which was this is why this this this information needs to be out in the fact that we're able to get this out just. Two days after it was signed is You know I I was amazed at that because I had no idea that this exists now. We're trying to figure out if the FBI or or VHS or any other agency has similar. Authority have they been granted sweeping new? You know authorities life the right you know In the centers. You've mentioned Jerry Nadler Jerrell jerrold. Nadler heads up the chair of the House. Judiciary, committee. And Karen Bass is on is on that committee. The two of them responded Friday calling the expansion of the drug agency's powers antithetical to the American people's right to peacefully assemble and to exercise their constitutional rights without undue intrusion. They demanded that bar and Shea immediately rescind this new authority granted the DA and ask for a briefing detailing the time line and rationale for the expansion of authority. That's you know that's what I want to say, but we'll never get. That will will because they just say no. They say we're not they. They wrote. There I don't see that happen because one. I believe they've asked for that well. They ask for that to happen today, so we'll see. It's already six o'clock on the east. Coast I kinda out Yup Aweso. It'll take a follow up with With Nabire F. Feinstein in Warner. And and and the Senate Chuck Schumer in this and other senators extent that they wanted information, as of Monday or as I can tell days never received it so. Yeah, it's it's. It's again just ignoring the oversight. They're trying to perform some oversight. Ignored but Jason so in Reading Don, Siegelman book all these relations are coming up and I. I didn't realize it at the time. I didn't make the connection until. Yesterday reading this. This passage that Karl Rove did the same thing that trump flunkies are doing just refused to testify, said refuse to accept the invitation refuse to comply with subpoenas when he finally did speak, it was. Not under oath it was got the questions in advance I mean. This is nonsense and I gotta ask to the Democrats ever play hardball like this with the Republicans or do they just show up like Hillary? Clinton did to testify for eleven hours because she was asked to. I haven't seen A similar play with the Democrats I think. You know I I remember that in the Bush Years I. Remember I think it was Harry Myers. Amount mistake was White House counsel. Trying to Earth testimony but you know there was. A? White an effort to you know to block at year. It's another level because there's simply too sank. No ignore it. Penalizes ignore everything? Because what's the only mechanism to enforce it well, you know I. Send the Sergeant at arms are well, but. They're not they knew. Yeah and so they're essentially, you know it's a game of chicken. They're Pollard blossom, and that's Edney put out a bunch of press releases, but they've already tested. You know you're not ours to say in how. Is your ignoring the subpoena. Go to court. But again the point is is to try to get. Testimony in a timely manner. In. Is being dragged out, so you know there really is a A. You know the way in which the you know. The full force of the Justice Department is being used against you know citizens, and and how that's taking place right now. The and how on the one hand you know as we talked about earlier. SORTA connected, but you know seeing what the Justice Department is doing with Michael Flynn. And you have the same people now involved in trying obtaining this expanded authority to spy on citizens I mean it's it's You know all the dots connect here. Yeah. Most definitely and again and I'm seeing as as bad. We knew that the Bush administration was bad. And we know we're watching real time. Just the the undoing of norms, and just the way things have always been done that weren't previously questioned and and I. IT kills me to watch the. Democrats still play by the old rules. Part of me says well good. They're doing what they should do because we need a sense of normalcy back again, but you gotta fight fire with fire, don't you? Yeah I can understand your frustration. Right you, you're. You're seeing the ways in which you know whether it was during the Bush years. Cheney you know the way in the ways that in which these folks behaved and seeing it. Similar, similar way now, but in some ways it's also far worse and. You feel powerless. Yeah, you want them to do something but to do something that is, that is aggressive that. It is not playing chess, but his actually far more aggressive. And, you're right. They're not doing it, so it's it's. It's frustrating that they're not doing that, but people are. You know are left powerless there. That's the thing this is why. Again this gets into a whole other dynamic profligate. Talk about another time, but it's wife teeth starts to set. You start to see this happening A, and what I mean is a lack of accountability. Right go back years. There was no accountability. Not and people were just so upset because nobody was enforcing accountability W was being held accountable for for lying in the country and war. For presenting a you know a false. to to to invade. Iraq and in many many many many other things and here you know it's it's the same thing, and so that's that's what happens. People will start to tune out because they can't do anything else by. You know if there is your connection to to what's happening. With regard to the protesting I think that you know to see people go to the White House, as well That's what after look. At this point as as the only way to speak up. It's. There the you can't count on. Your elected. Representatives to? To do that at this point now. That's why we have to keep writing them to do the right thing, but look we saw. The Republicans deny the last Democratic president the right to appoint to nominate a Supreme Court justice for just about a year they held that seat open, and we don't see the the Democrats. Stopping any of the horrible appointments that that trump is making I want to see them fight fire with fire, and frankly our only line of defense, really our elected officials. We need to stay on them, or and we need to stay in the streets so. You know I don't know I did nothing. We've never seen anything like this in history before and Jason. Thick keep in mind. Is that this is you know for for us? For men for people who've been around way longer, it may not be but I think that for many people who are who have grown up post, nine eleven right or a little before It's unique this new that anything like this. They don't have a grasp on history to understand. You know what it was like before so. I hear him. Jason Leopold Art Progressive. Voices already ended. I've kind of got my timing better, but. We're still going out to youtube and everyone else. Thank you so much. The work you're doing is so important. I gotta ask you one last question. Since now we're over time anyway. The did I. Just say you tweet out something in the last day or two that a foia request. You made something like seven years ago. Just came in yes. Yes Nicole seven years ago. Filed a request records and I just got that. Away let me let me just get it. Get it. Back Pages Oh. Oh, my gosh redacted. Redacted Yuck. I waited. One. Wow it's. I waited seven years for this next. In August of two thousand Thirteen, Oh, my goodness, oh my God all right well, somebody who's never change and yet and and they're calling you a terrorist, so you're. You're in good company, you and Martin. Gang gone or whatever you pronounce. I you know anybody who doesn't. Drank the Donald Trump kool-aid. They feel compelled to call a terrorist so I guess you know you embrace the term foia terrorist a couple years ago. You know we are proudly I suppose. Why do yeah, I know Jason? Leopold, you the best find Jason of course at Buzzfeed. News on twitter at Jason Leopold and when you see a big breaking story that everyone is carrying and chances are, if you trace it back like with this da story being able to. Covertly surveillance. You, can thank Jason Leopold. You're the best Jason. Nicolle thank you. Thank you all right. I'll talk to you soon. Take Care, bye, The awesome Jason Leopold all right without we are done for. Well, for for the day. Tomorrow Thursday Howie. Klein will be here, Friday, as I mentioned Don Siegelman will be here and we keep going. Thanks for listening I'll see you tomorrow A. You know what I'm going to leave you. Because I didn't even get to Georgia and what happened with the primaries yesterday, so I'm GonNa play, what's news will let lots news playoffs out because I did cover the the insanity in not only Georgia, but Nevada as well. And remind everybody. Do what you need to do to get a mail in ballot in absentee ballot, whatever because you take your chances by going to a polling place on November third chances are you're going to be screwed over? Just like they were in Nevada where the last polling place closed at like three thirty in the morning, because people were waiting in line for so many hours in Georgia, it was well after midnight. This has got to stop. Our votes need to be counted so vote by mail all right so I will leave you with today's. What's news? We'll see you tomorrow. Thanks for listening everyone. By. then. It's time for Nicole Sandler's. What's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com and the progressive voices network. Georgia Nevada South Carolina and West. Virginia held primary elections on Tuesday. There were so many voting issues in Georgia that state officials are now calling for investigations. Voters waited in line for hours. Some precincts extended voting well into the night election officials blamed the delays on technical issues and a shortage of poll workers due to the pandemic. The State Election Board is already investigating the handling of absentee ballots in Atlanta Fulton County of major concern, now is the idea that these issues could be an ominous preview of what could happen in November's general election. Nevada. Experienced widespread problems at the polls some voters were waiting in line for three hours or more at limited polling places in Las Vegas despite Nevada. Encouraging people to vote by mail due to. The Corona virus. Meanwhile groups across the country are reporting growing voter registration numbers amid recent surges of activism, other voter oriented group Sir seeing a rise in volunteer, support and donations. Family friends and dignitaries gathered in Houston on Tuesday for the funeral of George Floyd, the unarmed black man killed in Minneapolis police custody two weeks ago. People who grew up with Floyd in Houston were in attendance as were relatives of Eric, Garner a new. York man who died in a police chokehold and those of Ahmed Arbitrary, a twenty five year, Old Georgia man fatally shot in February while jogging. Civil Rights Leader Reverend Al Sharpton delivered a Eulogy. Saying Floyd's death quote was not just a tragedy. It was a crime, and he pointed a finger at wickedness in high places. You now trying to figure out how you won't stop the protest rather than how you stop the brutality. You calling your cabinet in trying to figure out how it's going. Affect your vote rather than has gone a frank our lives. New Scheme and on how you can spend the storage rather than you can achieve justice. Wait Kid! At high prices. You. Take rubber bullets and tear gas. Out peaceful protests, and then take a Bible and walk in front of A. and Use a check as a problem. Wickedness in high places. You a pin walking across that street when the checks had the ball. You holding up no Bible when opry was killed in Brunswick. When Taylor was. In Louisville. When miss it had braces presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. Joe Biden appeared via video a day after meeting with the Floyd family and person and Houston. Now is the time for racial justice. That's the as we must give to our children when they ask why. Because when there's justice for George Floyd. We will truly be on our way to racial justice in America and then as you said you. Daddy will have changed the world. Senate Republicans are now working on legislation to address police reform, one of many nationwide changes mobilized by ongoing protests over racism and police brutality. A Task Force led by the Senate's. Republican member Tim Scott of south, Carolina sent Republican offices, a draft of a proposed justice act focused on issues of reporting accountability training and community relations. This is a big turnaround for the Senate, which not long ago was dismissive of acting on the issue. Democrats already unveiled their own proposal, which goes further and dictating specific changes including banning chokehold officials in states including New, York, Florida and California already have moved to ban the use of neck restraint by police. In Co, Vid News at least twenty eight states are not following. Guidelines for Corona virus reporting, which could make it more difficult for health experts and lawmakers to decide what to do next. The states are not reporting probable cases which include people who show evidence of an infection without the confirmation of a laptop. Accurate rates of new cases health officials track how the disease is spreading an informed decisions about how and went to loosen restrictions. These shoddy reporting numbers come as nineteen dates or seeing increases in their corona virus. Cases in Arizona things have gotten so bad again that the state has told a toss battles to activate emergency plans. More than one point, nine million people have been infected by the virus in the US and more than one hundred twelve thousand have already died. So, it's been over a month since Donald Trump suggested ingesting disinfectant to fight covid nineteen and subsequently, and did the circus of his daily briefings to to the backlash. The Nation's top infectious disease expert Dr Anthony. FAUCI has been virtually silenced ever since. But he emerged on Tuesday for an interview with CNBC in which he proclaimed. The ongoing pandemic is far from over now we have something that indeed turned out to be my worst nightmare something. That's highly transmissible in a period. If you just think about it in a period of four months, it has devastated the world, and it is an over yet. He continued asking. Where is it going to end? Where still at the beginning of really understanding and added that in just four months the virus has quote devastated the whole world. And finally yesterday I told you about the Vard. County Florida Police Union president who sent a facebook post inviting cops accused of misconduct in other cities to apply for jobs in Florida well. Thankfully, he's been suspended Boulevard County. Sheriff Wayne Ivy said that Burke Gaiman a lieutenant at the agency and President of the Bravado County. Fraternal Order of police was suspended with pay while an internal investigation is conducted. 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After Serving Prison Time, This Former Alabama Governor Makes A Case For Reform

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After Serving Prison Time, This Former Alabama Governor Makes A Case For Reform

"From NPR and WB you are Boston I'm Meghna Chakrabarti and this is on point. Don Siegelman is Alabama's last democratic governor. He served from nineteen. Ninety. Nine to two thousand, three historic that time was rising a southern progressive seen as a potential national torchbearer for the Democratic Party, but then in two thousand five. His star came crashing down. He was indicted, then convicted on. On federal bribery charges, he served five years in prison. Now many legal observers have said that siegelman should have never even been charged that the allegations against him amounted to nothing more than the normal, if unseemly practice of politics. So, why did the Department of Justice go after him so zealously why focus the full force of the federal government on this son of Alabama? Well Karl Rove has a role to play here. Thousands of missing ballots in an election have role to play, so siegelman says that the real corruption is in the political and criminal justice systems this hour on point Don Siegelman on political prosecutions, and the dangers to American democracy and on Siegelman joins us now from Birmingham Alabama. His new book is called stealing our democracy. How the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation and he by the way he's the only person in Alabama history to have held the titles of Governor Lieutenant Governor Attorney General and Secretary of State Don Siegelman, welcome to on point. Thank, you Meghna diamond delighted to be here I enjoy your shows and looking forward to big with you today. All right well. We'll see if we could make something of this hour. Thank you so much for being with us and also want to say that with us. From Hanover New Hampshire is on point news analyst Jack Beatty Hello There Jack. Hello Meghna. ALOMA SIEGELMAN Hey, Jack! Good good good to be with you. So. Semester Siegelman I actually wonder if we might start. Way Back in time 'cause I'm not sure a lot of people or somewhere else might not know your whole story so i. want to dig into it a bit and actual and start with. Your attempts at reelection in two thousand and two narrowly lost then. Can you tell us why that election was so significant and why you lost? Well. It was significant to me because I was I had already written an announcement speech that was going to enter the. Two Thousand and four Democratic primaries for President I had planned to give that speech at the National Democratic Governors Association in December of two, thousand and two. I did give that speech, but it didn't have the ending that I had planned. I was I had been touted by some national. Journal says being darkhorse candidate. in in the vein of Jimmy Carter Bill Clinton. Someone who could come out of the south in the Republican stronghold. On southern votes and be in a position to successfully challenge George W Bush. In two thousand and four I went to bed. The night of the election winning I had I had just completed a successful first turbine brought in. Five automobile plants I. Was headline. Automotive News is one of the top automotive. CEO's in the world had brought in bore automobile plants, in Alabama than any other country. we had had a successful road and bridge program. I started over a thousand new school. Construction Projects had protected over one hundred fifty thousand acres of Pristine. Delta Land Anyway I was position and I felt good about the election. There was the final county to report was a county and South Alabama. It was controlled in his control by Republicans. and. It was unusual that they were so late in reporting because it is a fully automated. Optical, Scan County should have been. What are the earlier counties to report, but in the end they reported one. One series of of counts of elections of the election and it was. It was just so far off that it. Attracted everyone's notice. because an independent candidate Libertarian candidate had gotten an extraordinary number of votes just couldn't get right, so they came back in recapitulated and I won the election stick cleared by all the national media. The people were sent home the. Party officials suppo- workers after the courthouse was close around midnight. Actually a little before midnight it was They came out with a third set of returns. that. had, simply taken sixty two hundred votes of mine away. And it, did not it. The telltale sign was that it did not impact a single down ballot race so. I. Don. I just jump been here. I just wanted to let you finish story because it's really. Providing a lot of detail because as I asked you a big question, there's a lot just want to just add a little bit something. So what you're saying is that this is what to November. The night of November fifth, two, thousand two. You had this like razor, thin lead in the gubernatorial race the next just a few just after midnight, so the early hours of Wednesday. Like you're saying your vote total in Baldwin County. I'm looking actually an AP report from that night. It had originally showed you with nine nineteen thousand seventy votes, but then it was reduced to twelve, thousand, seven, hundred and thirty six. Where did those six thousand votes go? Well we we don't know because the State Attorney General who has call roast political client. Sees sees the ballots and they computers that were related to the election. And took them took them to Montgomery and participated in an illegal. Which then blocked my For a recount had recount of this one precinct which these votes disappeared. The There was nothing that we could do about it. At that point, we the only way you can challenge election is to prove to the judge that bore votes were more legal votes work cast, but not counted or ill. Illegal votes were. CAST and counted. We couldn't do either because the attorney general had the ballot, so the only thing I could do was to walk away and say I will see you again and for years and. With that. The state, political and prosecutorial machinery kicked into high gear. Right because so that so you're narrow. Loss I still have to call it that your narrow loss in two thousand and two only signaled the beginnings of your troubles now. You mentioned Karl Rove. I'm seeing report here. That says that according to an affidavit that was filed by a Republican lawyer in Alabama. In the aftermath of that two thousand two election, according this affidavit Karl, Rove who was advising president, George W Bush at the time had promised senior Alabama Republicans a Justice Department investigation into you. There were there were actually. Three three Republican muscle blowers that the first the first was Dana. Jill Simpson. Who is Republican? Lawyer? Who says she was hired back all rove. To do negative research on me and she testified before the House Judiciary Committee. that. She was on a conference call shortly after the election. It which the US Attorney's. Husband. Announced to the group. You Know Y'all stop worrying about Sigelman. He's not going to be able to make a comeback because The US Attorney's wife than the US attorney of the northern district are going to take care of him. And he said he had spoken to Carl and at the Department of Justice was pursuing bay. The second, the second was award was another Republican lawyer Who served as the lawyer for the National Republican Committee in Alabama, and he signed an affidavit, saying that he was approached by the Republican Party chairman, asking him to come to a meeting where they were going to discuss how to use the US attorney to bring me down before the election. you know there's there's the call rose. Fingerprints are all over this. It's not just. In this and the prosecutorial vein, I mean it's. It's of course it's. his. Investigation was started. Illegal investigation was started back. Karl Rove's client Bill Pryor, who's now on the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals who participated in and stealing by election in two thousand and two. it was kicked into kicked into high gear by the US attorney who has vetted by Rove appointed by the Bush President Bush Whose husband Billy Canary worked with Rove and the nineteen ninety two presidential campaign against Clinton. And then we'll don can I. Can I just have been here because we're going to return a little bit more to Rove's role in all this and I should say that he has consistently denied that he had any role in an. Well want to be. We we can. Get into that, but I don't I. Don't want to forget that. We Got Jack here listening along. We've just got a minute and a half before we have to take that first break, and we haven't even got to sort of the meat of what the justice. Department alleged against Gelman yet but. But check your your thoughts on sort of first lessons to learn from from the story. Well, it's a it's a resonant and relevant story controversy over politically inspired prosecutions are almost certainly. In the American future who ever wins the election with? If trump wins William bar would probably still be attorney. General Congress was recently told by a former GOP justice official. DONALD AIRS quote William Bar poses the greatest threat in my lifetime to our rule of law and to public trust in it this because of his repeated intervention in cases involving the president. The he he has, he has said that he wouldn't take a political prosecution for the president, but he is also said one darkly to expect quote developments before the election in the investigation into the investigation of the trump campaign will those indictments? Will they open investigations into Loretta Lynch the Attorney General of time. We don't know and the Democrats to pose similar trouble after the election. Well Jack I. Want to hear more from you about that a bit later in the show, but right now we're talking with. Don siegelman out political prosecutions and the dangers to American democracy. We'll hear a lot more of the story when we come back. This is point. This is on point. I made a chocolate bardy. We're talking this hour with Don Siegelman. He's the former governor of Al Obama. He served five years in prison on bribery federal bribery charges. We'll talk a little bit a lot more about that in a second, and he says that political prosecutions like the ones that landed him in prison are a danger to American democracy. He's author of the new book stealing our democracy. How the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation? We have an excerpt of it at on point, Radio Dot Org Jack Beatty is also with us. He's on points news analyst now. Mr Siegelman if I may, let's let's just cut right to the chase of the case. That landed you in prison now. The first time that federal prosecutors tried to bring charges against you. If I've got the time line right here, they were so flimsy. These bribery charges that they were thrown out. The judge threw them out or at least yeah, that's right and then. And then the second time they tried again, right, they didn't give up. They tried again this time. They had a star witness by the name of Nick Bailey, who was one of your aides now, Nick. Bailey alleged that you essentially took a check from a big donor. A man named Richard scrushy. Because he in this check not for you, but a check for efforts to get a lottery created in Alabama to fund education, and in return the allegation is that you gave screw she a seat on a really important board in Alabama and that. In the eyes of of the court amounted to illegal bribery. That's what that's. What landed you in prison, right? Yes. The judge told the jury they were. It was a hung jury. That couldn't. They couldn't reach a verdict and he said. They asked him judge Hawkin. A contribution to the lottery campaign be viewed as a thing of value to governor siegelman and he said well. think about it this way if the k. a pay if the contribution was given to the lottery proposition and the proposition that passed, it would have made him look. and. Therefore you can consider it a thing of value to governor Siegelman. Well I mean it's. On, the only person in American jurisprudence is ever gone to prison on such a charge as that where there was no self-enrichment scheme and didn't benefit by single penny There's issues too with the between me. And the judge had had him investigated F- shortly after he became federal judge because of shenanigans that went on in the District Attorney's office, from which he had been appointed to the Federal Bench and it was proven in State Court that. He had illegally raise the salary of his deputy by some three hundred thousand dollars, and he was politically embarrassed by the. Publicity Dagda publicity as a new federal judge so he he went into. This trial should have recused himself he didn't. And he I think he had a chip on his shoulder and he wanted it was. He viewed this payback time. So I mean. We can't go into too many details of the case or just won't have time, but they are absolutely fascinating like nick. Bailey right. Who was the Prosecution Star witness here? Apparently he had parts of his story wrong that he told the court right because he had. He had said that you had a check in your hand right from Richard Screw that you had this check in your hand and he said Yep. You know if if he gives us the other half of the money, we can take care of his desire to be. On that health board, but the prosecutors had a copy of the check in actually didn't even have the right date on it that you could not have possibly had that check because it hadn't even been written in reality at and that Bailey himself had been extorting money from Alabama businessman and might have been working with the prosecution to get a lighter sentence. Definitely was working with the prosecution to get a lot of senators say they made him a deal. He was facing. Probably forty years to life in prison. On Multiple Felony counts and They offer him a deal which they follow through on which was to recommend no time in prison. And he, he told Scott pelley of sixty minutes Nick Bailey told them that he had been interviewed over seventy seven Oh seventy times and made to write and rewrite his proposed testimony over and over until he got his answers the way the prosecutors. Wanted Them in preparation for his testimony, he also FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH A. met with my son In two thousand Tober of two, thousand at twelve and told him that the reason the reason. He went to prison was because of his. excuse expression, but this is his leg was. Testimony. hey admitted that there was no bribe that there had been no agreement and that that I would have been impossible person to bribe so. but anyway the the the case went to trial there were not they were hung juries. The judge finally told the. The! Jury which had been sequestered this was in right in the first part of July the jury questions sits. May he told a book? Bring me a verdict or a partial verdict or I can keep you here until next you laugh want. So the they brought him a partial verdict but the the we were talking about jacket, raised an interesting parallel and I to WanNa, make sure i. come back and comment on that because he's absolutely right what? If. People don't believe. That the Justice Department was politicized onto Bush. Don't believe that Karl. Rove And his client billy. Bill Pryor and his. His, Co. heart and his business partner in Alabama, Billy Canary who not only was the husband of my. US Attorney, who prosecuted me, but he was actually being paid. Billy Canary was being paid. By one of my opponents for governor to defeat me while his wife was conjuring up charges against me. If you don't believe. That the. Justice Department was politicized to prosecute me. Look at how would call Donald J trump my first witness? He fired James. Comey fired Andrew McCabe sought fire. Sally Yates hired and fired his southern boy buddy, Jeffrey. beauregard sessions, and then hired bill bar. Who doesn't go to sleep at night? And unless they find some way to either protect donald trump from. Some subpoena or an investigation or THREATENS THREATENS THOSE PEOPLE WHO? Are Coming after him either the FBI the CIA the National Security Agency or Joe Biden. Well, so we'll. were. A. Response Jack, yeah well. Let me go back to Jack here because this is. This is. Don siegelman underlying point right that we're sort of maybe. At a new high water mark of an old problem of the political politicization of the Justice Department. Would you agree with that Jack? The the danger is just to clear thus far. Mr Bar hasn't followed up on Mr Trump's campaign. Promise member the chant locker up well. We haven't prosecuted Hillary so I guess that's that's good news, but who knows what would happen after the election Mr Trump is vengeful. We've seen that almost defines his character, and if bar said no I won't Mount of Political Prosecution of Joe Biden or whoever? Mr Trump wants trump could easily put in an appliance substitute, but the dangerous there with the debt with the Democrats Elizabeth Warren in the campaign raised eyebrows when she said that she wanted to establish a bureau or department, a Task Force in the in the Justice Department to investigate wrongdoing corruption in the in the trump administration and she said well it wouldn't. I wouldn't influence it, but she would set it up, so Biden said he wouldn't do that. He wouldn't influence wouldn't influence the Justice Department at all, but if justice wanted to bring a prosecution, he wouldn't stand in the way. How much wiser was Barack Obama in two thousand, nine, looking back on some of? The offenses that Mister. Excuse me siegelman documents here looking back on those. The. President said I don't want to look back I want to look forward. He would not go ahead with prosecutions of a Bush. Administration officials involved in torture involved in domestic wiretapping involved in things like you know, prosecution Mr Segel he would not do that because what would happen, essentially, you'd have one. A new president would be taking vengeance on the old, and the cycle of retribution and vengeance would go on, and on now if Biden wins, and he follows the wise precept of Obama about not looking backward. Does that mean trump would get off for everything not at all the New York district attorney has a. Has a menu of things that he's he's. He's investigating trump for and all that could go forward without tainting. The system with essentially making us a Banana Republic where you lose an election and the guy that wins. Stores you jail. We can't have that. Don siegelman think. Let me! Just let me jump in. To have to disagree to two point, which although I have great respect for what you what you said about Not being vengeful and not being. retribution. But I. do think that it was a mistake. For. President, Obama not to hold. The Bush administration the Bush. Justice Department accountable. that made it. Anybody needed to go to jail, but I think a full exploration of call rose hiring and firing. US attorneys at will, because they would not do his dirty work I, think that an exploration and a discussion about. What constitutes torture and why it is wrong. And why was should not have been authorized would have been correct I think that a full expert exploration of how we were led into war under false pretenses, and we have given up a lot of our fourth amendment rights under the Patriot, act and I think that. You know we I think that the there's a difference between holding people accountable in retribution. If someone is. Willfully and intentionally violating the law, they should be held accountable just like everybody else. You know we don't we don't. We don't give this same. Lead Way too young men and women of color when they're caught with A. A. A half ounce of marijuana. Are, they get locked up for years. One Guy Juan Garcia who I write about him my book. was locked up for nineteen years for half ounce of marijuana more, he got caught twice and then third time at marijuana conspiracy with no amount of marijuana charge so You know. And, that's I hope we have time to get into a discussion about. How how we need to protect people from the abuse of power, whether it's by President or prosecutor or by the police. So, so let's let's talk about that then right now because. Our discussions were a high level. Of the Justice Department I actually do want to come back to, but can you tell us a little bit more Don? Siegelman about the kind of people that you met while you were incarcerated for Fi- for five years, right? and. Did. Did some of them deserve protection from the criminal justice system that put them into prison. Well. Almost. Everybody I was in with had committed. Some some cried. They didn't deny that, but what I saw consistently was. A. Federal Sledgehammer coming down on them without any regard to what it did to their children or their families, or what was gonNA happen to their children or their spouses? Once. They were locked up for twenty five years. This one young African American comes to mind. He wouldn't mind using his name Markelle Riley he was. He was raised in a dysfunctional home. His mother had issues, and he started selling marijuana to raise money to keep the lights on water on when he was ten eleven years old. And he got picked up on charges and were given was on probation twice then got picked up a third time for small amount of crack well, actually, it was powder and. He was given twenty five years. He served every bit of that. He had two young children. and. You know we just don't give any thought to what we're doing to people out. You know the children and the families that were disrupting with these. Draconian sentences at let me let me let me I want to go back and talk just briefly. The government gets nine percent of the indictments say seek ninety nine percent. That seems like an extraordinarily high ratio check. It is because prosecutors have. A total immunity they were given immunity by the supreme. Court in Nineteen, seventy six and the ambler case they can do anything they want. It was a split decision five to four, but still the Supreme Court said prosecutors should not should be allowed to. Do anything they want including. including. Presenting. False evidence. Or withholding exculpatory evidence to get an indictment or conviction. In two thousand and ten. The Los Angeles Times reported on January, the fifth two thousand ten. And I quote or paraphrase President Obama's lawyer argue to the US Supreme Court yesterday. Would have been January the fourth two thousand ten that. US, citizens United States citizens do not have a constitutional right not to be framed. Now Leonard, Cagan is a great justice. She's on the Supreme Court, but she was arguing the line that the proposition that was end the law that was legal. Then it's legal now that prosecutors can do anything they want including framing an innocent person and there's nothing you can do about it. That was in the case of two Black Man who spent twenty five years in prison for a crime. They absolutely did not commit. This is what prosecutors. Get the ninety nine percent of the indictment. Because they can do whatever they want in the secrecy of a grand jury, where there is no lawyer judge present, and that's part of the reforms that I talk about in my book. You want to end PROC- or reform prosecutorial immunity. I have to say hearing. Hearing that line of that? The American people do not have the right not to be framed. By federal prosecutors is a doozy of a double negative. If I've ever heard one, so don Siegelman and Jack Beatty standby. We are talking about Don siegelman personal experience as both a politician and formerly incarcerated person about the criminal justice system about a political corruption and the dangerous to democracy. We'll be right back this point. This is on point. I'm MAGNASCO Bardy. We're talking this hour with Don Siegelman. He's the former governor of Alabama. He served five years in prison on charges of bribery, and the story of his case is absolutely fascinating. He's author of stealing our democracy. How the political assassination of governor threatens our nation? We have an excerpt of at one point radio. Dot Org, Jack Beatty is also with us. He's on points news analyst. Now Don Siegelman do want to give A. we'll give you a chance in a minute. Talk more about the reforms to the criminal justice system. That you that you write about in your book, but did want to ask you. Something about how politics is done in the United States here because I think since you since the. Since your case and the time that you served over that time we've we've actually had a couple of pretty explicit court cases that say I mean obviously citizens united that the money is the equivalent of speech. I think that in and of itself ought to obviate any of the charges that had been brought against you, but nevertheless nevertheless if they're even if there wasn't a direct quid pro quo to you when? When you received the check and and. And you and Put I'm sorry. His name is slipping my mind right now, but you put him on the Jordan Alabama screw she sorry. Sorry, forgive. Thank you for reminding me screw she on the board. Even, if there's nothing strictly illegal about it, I do I just WanNa take a second to ask you this. It's still is unseemly, isn't it? I mean like Americans are very cynical about their politics right now because it's yet, another example is yet another example of a rich person being able to buy the accessed he or she wants. If you only knew the truth, let me let me tell you I'M GONNA put my left. There's no Bible, but I'll raise my right hand, and ask God to strike me dead when I asked this gentleman Richard Scrushy, who was a fortune, five hundred CEO. If he was served on the board, his response was. Oh governor do I have to I just resigned from that board I've been on it for twelve years. It takes too much time. Can't I just give you the name of somebody a good person who had served well? I didn't want him to leave the board because I was a democrat. He was the biggest contributor to my republican opponent. I wanted to build bridges between. Myself and the Republican business community in Alabama, and so I said look I want you to serve on the sport. And he said well let me think about it knelt. Agreed to serve one year and then resigned again, but This was not a privilege for him to serve on the board. He did not want to be on this board. He didn't need to be on this board. It was a waste of his time. So what he give you the money for? Oh well because he had supported my opponent and he he has. Frankly he said governor. I can't go through four years with the the governor of Alabama mad at what is anything I can do to help and I said Yeah. I'm trying to get this referendum pass, so we can. Provide Universal. Early learning for every child in give every child the hope and dream of. Being able to go to college, the state of the school and stay out of trouble. He said I'll be glad to help. So you're saying that basically every aspect of the charges that were brought against you and end with you spending five years in prison. It's totally manufactured totally. Totally, totally totally yeah, it was It shook shook faith in the justice system, but you know I'll look at this experience two ways to look at anything if You know if you believe that in every situation there is a purpose, or if you believe that in every situation one should find a purpose I clearly found mind quickly on my dad that. You know. My purpose now is to expose. What's going on in to try to change it. If they can do this to me. As a sitting governor with the resources ahead I was in plaintiffs lawyer. I had I had collected some money and. I had the resources to pace up to seventeen different lawyers at different times But think about the people who are on the street. The unemployed steelworker, the housewife or the mechanic who? is facing some piddly charge and they they. Let me, say this. What if one of your producers got into got indicted? Unexpectedly. Or. Let's say. God forbid you got indicted because one of your one of your producers said Hey, she was taking a kickback. It destroys your career and and everything starts to come unraveled. That's why one of my proposals is that before somebody is indicted, they should have a lawyer present in the grand jury if I'd had a lawyer present out of never been indicted because the to prosecutors who's? One Matt Heart I. Don't mind calling names because it's the truth. He suborned testimony Steve. Baker, who participated allowing a retired FBI to present false evidence to the grand jury which resulted. In this first indictment that was thrown out by the federal judge, saying it was the most unfounded criminal case over which he presided in twenty nine years and seven months on the bench, so we need lawyers for the defendants, but also for the family members of police violence. If Benjamin crop had been in the grand jury when the murderer of Trayvon, Martin was being considered to be charged I'm not so sure that that that person wouldn't have been charged with murder the same. Yeah? I. Really, this is an important point. You're making, but I want to want to be sure that we discuss it in detail, so people understand so basically what you're saying. Right now is that when a grand jury convened right and evidence is brought to the grand jury, and they have to decide whether or not to hand down an indictment. The the attorneys for the defense are not allowed in that grand jury room. Just to be clear right to be clear, they are not. No one is in there. No Judge Milius what they've done, so they're they're in. They're on their own. And keeping by the have an umbrella of protection over them both by the Supreme Court, and by Congress and the Federal Torch claim sack. There is no way can prosecute. A. Prosecutor for presenting. Of conjured up evidence or withholding exculpatory evidence the the. The. Chief Judge of the Night Circuit Court of Appeals Alex Christine inskeep. He retired, but he said that the. Prosecutors withholding exculpatory evidence in the United States was epidemic. and. Again. This is what once you get indicted. It's all downhill clearly and a grand jury process is. The most critical part of the criminal proceeding, Ninety nine percent of those indicted. Ninety nine percent of indicted ninety seven percent, plead guilty most of them before they get a lawyer. You're giving a lawyer, but when you go to trial when you go to court to enter your plea. And say you've got a plea. Bargain agreement, which is no bargain and no agreement by the way, and and what do to give some audio lawyer. What's they've been indicted that it's? It's pretty much, but the but well, but look I am not a legal scholar here, but I'm just going to offer this pushback here if I may. Technically speaking, the trial follows the indictment. No, so, what is the argument for having? For Having Defense Council present in while a dangerous formulating. What it, what the indictment should even be that person strictly speaking, the defense will still have an opportunity to present their case in trial. Let's. If you if you are indicted at under with a witness, sue has been bribed with a light sentence or no sentence in exchange for giving the government the testimony they want. What is it going to do to you and your career and your chances of winning in court? you are already damaged goods by the time you walk into the courtroom, the government Jury is looking at the defendant thinking already. They wouldn't be here if there wasn't something wrong. So it is, let me also say this in a civil proceeding. Lawyers on both sides, our a deposition are given a chance to object testimony or evidence well. If it's important enough to do that to have that scrutiny before a civil trial starts, why isn't it equally important? When somebody's life and liberty is at stake to give the lawyer for the other side, a chance to scrutinize the evidence before the grand jury hears it. Right. Now enough and I'm I'm okay. I was just GonNa. Say I'm usually what happens in these conversations is we have a lot of really smart people in our audience listening? They're probably sending me lots lots of tweets right now. Telling me I've gotten I've got it all wrong. But, but but your point we'll take in the net. Just maybe I'm trying to teach myself here. Don Siegelman so. The you're just you're asking for reform on what's allowed to happen in a grand jury room well. That's number that's number. One I would say lawyer in the grand jury record. Prosecutors and investigators should be required to record every interview with a target or a witness. If they had done that in. If they do that, then it's going to deter prosecutors from pressuring cajoling threatening or coaching a witness to testify, secondly if they were stupid enough then to do it, then at least provide a record for the defense before trial that the testimony had been shaped by the prosecutor. The third thing that we have to do obviously is to reverse the pronouncement that was made in bothersome in front of the Supreme Court in two thousand and ten that US citizens do not have a right not to be framed by removing the immunity from prosecutors, who willfully and intentionally present false evidence, or who willfully and intentionally withhold exculpatory evidence one final fact. There have been a hundred fifty inmates. exonerated. Off of death row by the innocence project or the equal justice, initiative On the basis of prosecutorial misconduct, so it wasn't a problem. Why is it that we're sentencing people to death? Because of prosecutorial misconduct, the whiter straighten this out and part is to have a lawyer in the grand jury record, every witness testimony and remove the the immunity for prosecutors who willfully and intentionally framed people. Well. We're fast running out of time here. Don Siegelman Jack and Jackie. We'll come back to you in a second, but I have just a couple more questions for you Mr. Siegelman, if I could one of the things that I wanted to ask. You is while you were in prison for those five years. At least once I have this right you gave an interview to. Radio Person Actually. Think and because you gave. The interview ended up in solitary confinement for more than twenty days. Forty nine days for fifty. Fifty sorry. I had. I had a relationship with Thom Hartmann from out in Portland. And he's anyways great journalist and. He had been a friend I'd talked to him several times. Put Him on my requested call list with the Federal Bureau of Prisons approved, so they approved. The number improved my having. Access to calling him, but when I did call him. I was on live on a talk show where I was advocating for the passage of the safe. Justice Act which John Bainer had also was supporting. and I thought that you know. I was encouraging people to call their members of Congress and at that point I was. the phone went dead, and a I was handcuffed, and taken to solitary confinement where I spent fifty nine days second time I got thrown into solitary confinement was to from speaking with Robert Barnes to the Washington Post and They let me out quickly because he wrote a second article. Saying that I've been locked up because I spoke to him, so the power is in the press at at times and I for that I was deeply appreciative. So. We've just got a couple. Minutes left checking know. What a tangled web! We we right because Don Siegelman. Here's talking about political. Prosecutions about the criminal justice system. And in Alabama right now there is a Senate race going on where Act Don Siegelman old lawyers now. Senator Doug Jones is going to be facing Tommy. Tuber Ville who just beat Jeff sessions. In the Republican primary and Tuber Ville himself has a shadow of financial. Impropriety over him because a hedge fund that he used to that, he was once a partner in. His partner in that Hedge Fund. It has been sentenced to ten years in prison for financial fraud. So now the people of Alabama are going to have to decide whether that kind of financial impropriety matters enough to them in choosing. The. GOING TO BE November. Yes, they they seem to be faced with these sorts of questions a good deal I mean when when Doug Jones was elected, the alternative was A lawyer, who had who had exposed and brought to trial. Birmingham bombers on the one hand, and on the other hand a paedophile. So at a man who? Had A record of molesting young young girls and That was a close election which was which was scary. Now they have to pick between somebody that same doug. Jones who still has a good record as a senator, and as you say to reveal who's got this this cloud over him and who claims that? He's Alfred Newman I don't know I I. I wasn't involved just. Mr Magoo I just walked through all this. I'm innocent well. We'll have to see what what comes of that. Well. Don Siegelman we've literally got just a minute left and we could go on for APP for hours on end, but it sounds like your basic messages is without some kind of massive reform possibly beyond the three that you've mentioned here. You're saying that we have a justice system that if it can come after a governor lake, you that people should wonder if if it if it could come after them. Yes but the reforms I'm offering would would make a substantial substantial difference We don't. Yes, there are there I've got. A litany of. Litany of other reforms. But? The what what I think we need to do is to take these first and get them out of the way I would like to come back to your show one day and talk about how how to et make an impact on institutional racism. as southerner who've ensured that the confederate flag did not fly over the Alabama capital as someone who took the heart of Dixie off. The license plates somewhat. They've stopped the playing of the song dig. Alabama Football Games on SIEGELMAN. I'm only interrupting you because I've got six seconds to wrap up the show, but we will have you back. Don Siegelman now author of stealing our democracy. Thank you so very much and Jack Beatty on point news analyst. Thank you as well. Magnetron Bardy this is on point.

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20210428 Nicole Sandler Show - Ratfucking Then & Now with Don Siegelman

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We are on twitter and we are on twitch. We are still suspended from youtube for a ridiculous reason that i've already spoken about. I'm sure we'll. I'm sure i'll rant about in in days to come before. Suspension ends the end of june ridiculous But that's again that's the story for another day today. Let me tell you what's going on. I we are. I know. i seem to dwell on this theme but we live in a world. I mean we go along you and i. We're we're relatively saying. I'm not saying that. All my marbles are where they should be know like anybody else. I have my issues as we all do. But we we by we. I mean progressives democrats. We're painted by the right as crazy people. But we know that they are guilty of projection. This is what they do. They take what they do and push it off on us. I just heard the craziest thing in fact. Let me play this for you while a while i still have it here on. I'm thinking about it. I think i pulled the video. Yes okay so orange county california. Oh shoot this. Won't this won't work. they're all right. I'm gonna play it from from the from the website. Hold on one second. I just gotta get it. I gotta get it up as they say all right so orange county. California is not my favorite place as somebody who lived in los angeles A very liberal person. We always used to joke about you. Go into orange county and the things behind. The orange curtain are not quite so democratic friendly. It's kind conservative down there. But i didn't realize they were just really stupid to and i bring this up because there's a hearing the orange. County board of supervisors is having a hearing. I guess about the vaccines. And i want you to hear what one of the supervisors said. And i can't make this stuff up. It is real. I just saw this moments before coming on the air. So it's fresh in my mind. You're ready for this all right. Let's go to the videotape It's only at the patient's request correct does it. Is there any intention of tracking folks. Donald wagner supervisor third district. Is there any in the vaccine we heard about an injection of tracking device is is is being done anywhere in orange county witnesses laughing to compose myself. There's not a vaccine with tracking device embedded in that i know of exists in the world period period. Okay now the idiocy is just astounding. This was yesterday at eleven fifty am pacific time. Orange county california. Donald p wagner supervisor third district. Hey orange county california people seriously. You guys need to turn off the fox. Because they're doing the. This is your brain on fox. Your remember the old commercials is your brain on drugs. This is your brain on fox. These people are demented. They are they are nuts. The kind of shit that they're spewing is frankly embarrassing and and their spawning all of these crazy fucking people around the country. So i read a story the other day. I'm in south. Florida or florida as i like to call it and see a story about a school called center academy and i. My heart skipped to beat. Because i thought it said center academy because that's the name of a school that my kid went to in ninth grade for half of the year. Thankfully it's not the same place. The one she went to was a little bit better than this. So center academy apparently told it's parents that no or told told staff and teachers that nobody is allowed to be vaccinated if you do get vaccinated. They do not want you to have contact with children because they're afraid that you that the kids can catch something from a vaccinated adult. This is a school a private school. That has a pre k. It goes pre k through eighth grade. I tried calling there and the phone just rings. It doesn't go to voicemail nobody answers i wonder why but anyway i was able to pull up their website center. C. e. n. t. n. e. r. academy dot com and look at their twenty twenty one to twenty twenty two tuition and fees part-time pre k. To is well. It's only a very reasonable fifteen thousand one hundred and sixty dollars a year. Preschool i guess this is full time. School pre k to to pre k. Four twenty two thousand four hundred seventy five dollars a year. Okay then kindergarten to fifth grade. Well now you're an actual school so it's a little bit higher twenty four thousand five hundred dollars a year and for sixth through eighth grade twenty nine thousand eight hundred fifty dollars a year but wait. There's more the matriculation fee what is twenty two hundred dollars. The technology to fifty the computer fee is three fifty and the smart tuition fee. I guess as opposed to the dumb tuition fee. It's fifty dollars. Oh and there's also a two hundred dollar application fee. Tuition insurance and protection is not included. Monthly payment plans incur a one hundred dollars a month. Surcharge and lunch is billed separately. A two hundred and thirty dollars a month and by the way they will not allow any teachers or staff to be vaccinated because they believe that being vaccinated poses some kind of a threat to the children in the school who they and it goes back to. They actually have a vaccine policy. Here's their vaccine policy at center academy we value individuality and honor freedom of choice. We are proud that our happiness school our happiness school does not mandate vaccines of any kind and we accept religious exemptions. Oh my god. So this is in miami miami proper. There's the preschool. Campus in the elementary and middle school campus. I'd call them. But i'll try again. I tried calling a little while ago and again there was no answer. But i'll try again. What the hell. Because i really. I really wanted per calling governor academy. They're going to school. Campus press one for the elementary and middle school to want to press to. Let's see if anybody answers. Because i really like to talk to somebody when i called earlier to see. That would go through if they even answered the phone at just. The message repeats connecticut somebody answered. Hi my name's nicole sandler do a radio show. I'm curious about your vaccine policy okay. I'm doing what was your name again. Nicole sandler on the air. It's an internet radio show. And so i wanted to and they have. I'm sorry you call in the main line. Can i go ahead and have your information. And i kept someone contacted well. See i'm i'm on the air now so i'm trying to get an answer about your vaccine policy. Your i apologize. You're calling school phone in order for us to go ahead and speak to. Parents need pick up through student. Oh i see okay all right and there's not another number i can call. I can take your name and information and then just have someone contact you. You know what. I'll call back another time. Thank you very much. Thank you so much von. Oh well at least they answered. Okay so i guess they're still doing business. Who would send their kid there would you. I guess maybe the orange county supervisor. Except he's in california or maybe they're joe rogan listeners. Joe rogan who. I guess does a popular podcast. Who know not a doctor not a scientist. As far as i can tell but he goes on the air to his millions of listeners and apparently yes he has millions of listeners. A suppose and tells them well if you're young and healthy and you work out. You don't need to get the vaccine. Excuse me what this is the problem. This is where we are in the twenty first century in the united states of america people who have no bona fee days who have no scientific expertise. No education tell you what to do with your body and how to fight this global pandemic. that's already killed almost six hundred thousand people in this country alone. What is wrong with people. If i need medical advice i certainly don't go to my account or to the guy at the gym. I go to a doctor. If i have a scientific question i go to a scientist. This is this is indicative of where i hate to say it. But we're the last four years has gotten us. I won't place all the blame on the last four years but certainly a lot of it comes from there where you had idiots who didn't know what the hell they were doing telling we had people lehman in the trump administration celebrating that they got the cdc the centers for disease control to change their verbiage and their their guidance into to use their language rather than what the medical experts say. I just i just don't get it. I just do get it so their stuff going on today. By the way. I'm looking at everything that's going on and realizing that if somebody high enough up in government wants to do something to you they can we as citizens have no recourse and this was brought back to me in a big way when i got an email from from from don siegelman. Now if you've listened to this show for any amount of time you're familiar with name and if you've if you've been involved in progressive politics for any amount of time you should know the name. Don siegelman he was governor of alabama from one thousand nine hundred ninety nine two thousand three. He was a progressive. He was just a rising star in the democratic party. There was talk that if he were to win. Re-election as governor for a second term in alabama that you know he could be a potential presidential candidate and he would have been great. You know a southern progressive would be awesome. And then well. Karl rove went after him. And don siegelman wound up railroaded. He wound up in prison. He wound up no longer governor. He wound up in solitary confinement. He served a long time in prison and finally he served out his sentence. Nobody came to his rescue not to party. Who knew who he was. He wound up serving years in jail and then he was under supervision. When he was finally released he'd just finally got rid of that and now you know he. He wrote a book. We had him on last year when the book came out called stealing our democracy how the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation. And now he finished doing the audio book reading the entire thing. So it's in his voice and and so i don siegelman has an open invitation on this show anytime and actually. It's good timing. Because i wanna get his take on what is going on. And and for example who is worse. Who was more of a part of the term. But it is an actual political term rat fucker. Who's the biggest wrath. Fucker was it karl. Rove or is it roger stone and again you know wrath fucking has been around for for a long time in fact i think they said donald gregg back in the nixon years was the original rat. Fucker wikipedia says wrath fucking is an american slang term for political sabotage or dirty tricks particularly pertaining to elections the thing that makes the trump people so horrible is they are rat fucking on steroids. Because this is the projection rat fucking. They did all the dirty tricks deal the election. They turn around and accused our side of doing what they did it. It's almost too complicated. It's enough to make your head explode. So it'll be interesting to get don siegelman take on that and find out who he thinks might be worse. you know if it was if it is karl rove who went after him who got him. Good tell you that. Or someone like roger stone in the rest of the cabal that surrounds the former guy. Speaking of part of the cabal that surrounds the former guy. It's great timing because today. Yes this morning This morning the feds rated rudolph giuliani's upper east side new york city apartment and his office building on park avenue. I love this hakim jeffries. Who is trying to position himself to succeed. Nancy pelosi as speaker of the house. I'll reserve judgment on that. Well i know where i stand but we'll go into that another day because i don't have time today. But how came. Jeffries tweeted quote. It's official rudy. Giuliani is now under federal criminal investigation. Yeah so here's the story rudy's apartment on the upper east side and park avenue office building where bolts searched by the feds devices at the crux of the probe. Investigators have been trying to figure out whether giuliani lobbied trump illegally for favors spur ukrainian oligarchs who are helping him sniff out. Biden controversies one of the key. Questions has been whether he was paid for trying to persuade trump to oust. Us ambassador. Marie ubon bitch. We remember marie-yvonne bit. She was one of the heroes of the impeachment. Her testimony was jaw-dropping. It was just just great and you know. Donald trump always threatened by any strong woman. Anybody who who'd stand up to her. Well there's more. Let me tell you. More harry. Littman tweeted out. Hold the phone. Fbi now at advert victoria. Ten things house. Oh now victoria tensing. It's a lawyer. Wife and partner of joseph degen uva same circles is rudy and trump. This has the hallmarks of a bigger day at doj. And she's probably not expecting it on like rudy. So not only did they re raid rudy giuliani's apartment and office but victoria tensing and joseph degen. Remember they were going to join his defense team and then like the next day said no. We're not and i don't know what that was about whether it was just. They didn't wanna lose their lucrative fox contributor jobs because they get money for that and they probably knew that that donald trump is a notorious shirker in other words. He doesn't pay his bills. So i don't know but there's a lot going on here and yes so this is good. This is good news about something that that judged in obviously a judge cleared the way for these raids carried out and they've got rudy's phones and computers and all right so that's going on hoping to get some bit of justice. Another judge made a ruling this one in north carolina. This one. i'm not so happy about superior court. Judge jeff foster today ruled that today issued a decision to not publicly released the bodycam footage of the fatal april twenty first shooting when when cops in elizabeth city north carolina shot and killed andrew brown. Junior remember it was. I was just yesterday. His family was supposed to see the video. They go to the courthouse or the police station or wherever it was they. Were supposed to see it and they were told. We're not ready for you yet. We have to redact some of the footage which is nonsense because this is not the media. This is not the public. This is the family of the man made killed and so they had to wait so when they finally waited they were finally brought in and shown twenty seconds of video. Twenty seconds when the video started shots had already been fired so the shooting was in processed in progress they have. They didn't have any context. They didn't get to see what precipitated it. They didn't get to see what happened before the shots were fired. They were shown twenty seconds and even at the twenty seconds. They said what they witnessed in. That twenty seconds was an execution now. The judge says no no video for you. We are not gonna show you. What's on this video. i'm. I'm sorry that's just that's just flat out wrong so now i'm hearing well we may get to see it. Let me see. If i can't find this other story that i was just looking at now. I can't find it. We may get to see it after thirty days. But they're saying the judge said his decision not to release. This footage was based based on. I can't make this up. Was based on the footage potentially affecting a fair trial if there was to be one and possibly jeopardizing the safety of the deputies in question now remember there were like seven cops and i don't have the exact information in front of me but there were seven officers suspended. A few were fired their stuff going on here and and for them to say. Nobody is seeing this video. I i think what is on. That tape is devastating and by not showing it to us. You know what we can conjure up in our imaginations. What we think happened is going to be worse than what did happen. Maybe or maybe not. Maybe it's just so horrific that i certainly don't want to see it but we need to see this stuff and i'll tell you something. This story comes out. And and then i see this one and i wasn't even looking for it but let me show you this today. April twenty eighth daily beast one fifty two. Pm eastern time bodycam footage shows fatal chicago. Shooting of anthony alvarez. This is never ending a police watchdog agency in chicago. Released chilling footage today of a cop fatally shooting twenty two year old anthony alvarez from behind a march thirty first incident that took place less than forty eight hours after the fatal police shooting of thirteen year old adam. Todo the in bodycam footage from the officer who filed the fired. The fatal shots we see him run past another officer in pursuit of alvarez who appears to have been holding an object that look like a gun and i the the cop says hey drop the gun drop the gun as he comes up close behind this twenty two year old kid. I'm sorry twenty two. He's a kid. The officer then quickly fires several several shots at alvarado as he fled. Alvarado then is hit. He's moaning in pain. He says why are shooting me. The cop says you had a gun. Just i haven't seen that footage either. But according to the daily startled says there's no indication from the footage that alvarado pointed the weapon at the officer. It says in in what is presumably a security camera at a nearby home footage from that al alvarez does appear to be holding something shaped like a gun. The object falls to the ground after the incident and the officers on-scene repeatedly expressed concern about keeping tabs on it. Even as they attempt to render to alvar alvarez. I guess they rendered aid while. That's a difference. Should we be happy about that. I don't know what the answer is. I do know that there is legislation out there for police reform. And something's gotta be done. Oh and by the way there's more here's another one. Police relieved footage released footage of the events. Leading to the death of mario gonzalez twenty six year old latino man in alameda california showing officers kneeling on the man's back and shoulder until he became unresponsive. The video contradicts officials original account of the confrontation. Three officers involved have been placed on administrative. Leave i mean it's just the never ending story. I don't know what it's going to take until these cops stop doing this. Take their guns away. If a cop is on traffic stop duty. He doesn't need to be armed or she. I'm just. I'm just disgusted. Then there's a follow up to the story. I told you about on monday. Karen garner the seventy three year. Old woman who was tackled to the ground by loveland colorado police. This was horrific. I played the video. This frail eighty pound. Woman was tackled to the ground by this cop later on you see him in the squad room playing back the video on laughing saying there's the pop and he laughed about. He said that was her shoulder. He also fractured her arm. And now her family is speaking out. She's got a daughter daughter-in-law and a granddaughter and they're all saying she has not come back. She's now living in assisted living facility and she is anxious and scared and it's not the woman that they know and love. This is just disgusting. Something's gotta give all right enough of that. I see i see. The don siegelman is is in the zoom room. So we're going to talk with him just a moment but we're also waiting for the not the state of the union address. It is joe biden's first joint address to a joint session of congress. It would be the state of the union address if this wasn't his first year in office but because usually it's delivered earlier it's like in february or maybe march but usually like february. And by that time. I guess they figure that the incoming president hasn't been on the job long enough to actually do a state of the union address. So it's it's a. It's an address to a joint session of congress. Well this year. It was delayed for a number of reasons. One is of course. Well cova everything is cove related but the other is because the this speech will be delivered tonight from the same room where insurrectionists broke into congress and you know wanted to kill nancy pelosi and hang mike pence and this is the first time that they were doing a big event in in the capital again. And i'm sure there was a lot of trepidation surrounding that. And i'm sure they took great security measures And now we know that there will be a maximum of two hundred people in the room as opposed to being a packed room. So it's going to be a different kind of speech than we're used to aside from the fact that it's not actually a state of the union address but joe biden's also going to be delivering his new newest plan and it is the this is the second part of his infrastructure proposal. This is the what are they calling this one the american. Oh god i don't even know i hold on. I've got it right here. i have. I have the Let's see it is the got a scroll up to the top of the pdf like a fifteen page document. The american families plan. It's all related. And i guess if he had to split them up into jobs infrastructure families. That's okay. I think it's it's. It's the was the rescue plan the jobs plan and now the american families plan. So there's a lot of details there. Maybe we'll get into it. Maybe not but i see our guest is here and let me get our shots at up and i wanna bring don siegelman in of course because he is our guest today so i will say hello governor and welcome back to the show thank you. I'm glad to be back. And what a what a great day to be back. As the last time we talked the future of the country was not quite as clear or as bright as it is today but thank goodness we have major change and there's a new president a new direction for this country. I'm really so proud. So blair the biden administration zone. As i governor. I got to be honest with you. I was not that excited about a biden candidacy and even more worried about a biden presidency. I didn't think he could win. And i certainly didn't expect the progressiveness we're seeing from him. I i said it a few times. And i'll say it again. I've never been so happy to have been so wrong at least so far knocking on on wood. Laminate you're a progressive. So are you surprised at the direction. The the The biden administration is moving. Well as you. I am pleased. I think new president's choice they can either start looking toward the next election and choose a moderate and cautious path forwards. Not so they don't really take chances. Don't rock the boat. Don't offend to many people or as Joe biden is chosen One to go all al recognizing that you know. He knows he has four years. And that's all he knows he may not even have for years but he knows he was elected for for your term. And there's no guarantee. The reelection is in the future so he is. He is decided to make chain. He's putting people in place who is appointed people who also want change. And as a result of we're seeing that the fulfillment of his campaign promises. I am delighted and encouraged yes. It's a good thing and it seems like you know he's listening to the people that bring him there. As it worked. I was worried that bernie sanders was going to give up the power base that he had look. He has had a huge following and he brought a lot to the party to the election without bernie sanders supporters. Joe biden couldn't have one but it seems and i was afraid that he was going to sort of push them off to the side and say get out of your kid. You're bothering me. But he didn't it seems like he's really taking a lot of of what bernie is suggesting to heart except you know. Of course they were going to be things so we noticed in this new american families plan bernie's suggestion that in terms of health care that they lower the age the medicare eligibility age. I think to sixty or fifty five a few other things. Those suggestions were not taken instead. What they do is they. Basically shore up the affordable care act and and make the the addition to the subsidies last longer which is one of the things they did in the in the american rescue plan. And i know that it's true because my my insurance from the exchange it's through healthcare dot gov and after that legislation went through. I said well let me go in. And see if i can get you some help on my premium and sure enough. My premiums came down about one hundred dollars a month so the help is there and he. This plan now makes that extends it further to give more people help. And i guess to get to ensure another four million people so at least it's going in the right direction. Well it is going in the right direction and needs to go further in the left direction and no one should go to hungary hungry or homeless without healthcare. And we still have a long way to go. I am pleased that the biden administration has picked up on a bernie elizabeth warren of call for of universal pre-k early learning all kids and everyone should go to college and we should forgive student loans that we should reform taxes. We should Raise the minimum wage and create new jobs. So you know lots is going on and again Joe biden has chosen a path of change and Clearly understands that this is his moment in history. If he's going to give back to. The working families of america now is the time without a doubt without a doubt. Now there's still a long ways to go and you mentioned the the education this new plan that he's going to really introduce tonight in the speech calls for it says four more years of education free education. It's two years of preschool and then two years of community college but they're also talking about more money for pell grants and more grant to historically black colleges and universities and other schools that cater to low income people and minorities. And so it's really you know. Finally i feel like we have an administration who's looking out for the little guy which we haven't had in a while. Frankly so you're absolutely right is crystal clear that President biden has placed at the top of his agenda. The working families of america which includes and understanding that. The parents want the best for their children to get there. They've got to have pre k. Tab some promise of higher education We've got to have tax reform higher minimum wage better jobs and he's moving and all of those directions. You know the other thing. That we haven't mentioned is is push for Toward and understanding of the climate crisis. He's he's you know. He jumped out of the box with that. Right headed in the right direction so more applause. Yes we talked about that yesterday. Here on the show that he convened this climate summit with forty world leaders the zoom but is committed to doing something which after coming off a four years of a guy trying to reverse the course on any progress. We made it's refreshing. But he wants to take it even further. So i'm thrilled about all that but here we are today. Don siegelman talking. And whenever i think of your story i get angry. I get so angry. And i'm looking at it today. I'm thinking about you and what what was done to you for those. Who don't know. And i think most of my listeners are familiar with your story. Don siegelman was arising progressive star in the democratic party. In two thousand to you. You're coming to the end of the first term as governor of alabama. You had already been attorney. General secretary of state lieutenant governor and governor only the only person to have held all four of those offices in alabama. You were running for reelection and you were considered to be a great prospect for the democratic presidential nomination. Going forward you were. You're the guy. I mean to win in alabama and i don't think there's been a democrat who's one state office. Since you left. I could be wrong. But i i don't doug jones right so and then they went after you you were targeted and it. And if you wanna tell the reader's digest version of the story for those who may not know what was done to you can do about show that was targeted from the bush white house. I was getting ready to launch a campaign. Against george w bush karl rove and his second lieutenant woman named kidding mccullough cain alabama state here throughout the campaign. She was one who was given credit by the state republican party for finding the votes necessary to swing the election to my opponent The election was illegally certified call robes client the state attorney general There was an influx of some twenty million dollars from the indian casinos mississippi by way of jock. Abramov ralph reed to call rose college buddies and so you know colorado singer prints were all over. The case have sworn testimony that he was involved in it. S the department of justice to presumably. I was brought to trial Thirty days before My reelection by the wife who is a us attorney whose husband was running my opponent's campaign. Us husband was running my opponent's campaign. I was brought to trial thirty days before my reelection in two thousand and six. So that's a thumbnail sketch my book. I'm excited about this and the goal has just. I'm not talking about the audio present right. Just finish the audio version reason. Why took me so long is because our listeners. To hear at bob boys not a hard gun. Come on and so. I'm really excited about that. So it is now available like through audible and the other places where you get audio books. So it is called Stealing our democracy. How the political assassination. A governor threatens our nation This this the original print copy. I devoured in about a day and a half. And i couldn't put it down and it so upset me and really and i go back and i think about what was done to you and how long you spent in prison. How long were you in prison. I was i was sentenced. Sadie eight months of ultimately served five years Came out with a new in criminal. Justice reform play this before our time runs out. I am pleased that we're moving forward with this. George floyd act to justice reform. But the waiter fix this. we've got. We've got to allow a lawyer for the families of victims of excessive use of force by police. A lawyer to be in the grand jury as because prosecutors present can knowingly and willingly present false evidence or testimony or withhold exculpatory evidence. There is no guarantee that any grand jury where a policeman is the target of the grand jury that the prosecutor is going to present bodycam video for example. They don't have to present the all the way they can present whatever evidence they want so we need a lawyer for the family in the grand jury. That's a great point. Because we've learned after the fact that the grand jury who heard the case about the the murder of brianna taylor in louisville kentucky they were never presented with any any prosecutorial information about the cops who actually killed her the only ones they heard any any evidence about was the cop who fired a bullet into the apartment next door and there was a charge filed there for like reckless endangerment or something but nothing about the cops who killed brianna taylor and then later we found out because they were never even presented any anything to to bring them up on charges so with if brianna taylor's family had a representative in the room. This would've that couldn't have happened. Is that what you're saying that we brought to light. Let me mention one other thing that most of your listeners probably not going to know and that is in grand. Juries one questions who the grand jurors are looking all for example they could all have been related to members of the police department and brianna taylor's guy so they have been members of the klu klux klan for that matter. No one no one for dyers like they do in a civil or criminal trial. The jurors racially balanced or that. They're not prejudiced in some way. Or another wow. I did not know that. So thank you for letting us know. So yes there are so many things that need to be fixed and you know obviously right. Now we're talking about a seems like an epidemic where people of color mostly black men but women and in some cases like we just saw video of an seventy three year old eighty pound white woman. Who was brutalized by police in loveland colorado police need to. I think they all need to be fired. Trained and rehired the ones who are worthy of the job. I think too many of them are there high on the power something that they have give. They've been given authority that they do have not earned and they don't deserve well. We have a better better policing better policies more better laws and we've got elect politicians who care and want to make a difference and i think we have in joe bud you know. I think that people were after trump. Were looking for someone who was both the civil and coast to as a role model for our kids. Someone who respected the rights of women someone who understood the importance of free press someone sense of history and someone who is going to pursue justice and that was Equal justice social justice racial justice environmental justice and criminal justice reform. And we've got that now in joe biden and kamala harris. I think so too. And i think we're on the right track. I'm happy with it. But i still you know i was. I was heartened to see. Today that the feds went into raid rudy giuliani's apartment and place of business and they also went after went to victoria. Tensing and joe degen of ass- apartment to so they're not leading the crimes of the trump administration. Just go obviously. There's there's an active investigation there. I have to ask you the question because it was one that i posed earlier. I was thinking about the story. And there's a term a pardon my french but a term called rat fucking which is known as political dirty tricks. Obviously karl rove was guilty of that. He was the big one during the bush administration. Who's who's the one is. A carl rover roger stone and steve. Dan in the rudy giuliani and the people. Trump surrounded himself with the go. What what has happened because we did. Not hold karl rove accountable his clones. Google put in place for inspired by the fact that he was able you know he started out with with richard nixon. The dirty tricks apartment of dancer grow the. That's right. I wouldn't call rove was involved of through ralph reed and grover norquist's in the demise of gray davis and i wouldn't be surprised if his fingerprints are on the current definition. Wow i wouldn't be surprised either. This stuff goes on and and you're right the fact that nothing was done about this is also what angers me the fact that they could do this to you. A very popular sitting governor in a southern state. Nobody came to your rescue. Nobody from the party said wait a minute they targeted this guy. What he did first of all the thing that they got you on was a contribution for a state lottery. Which i understand now. What twenty two years later or something or almost twenty years later is is just past the alabama senate again and they're waiting for the house to pass it that where they are now on a new lottery with the contribution that they alleged was a bribe was from a man who served on a nonpaying board. I was the fourth governor in a row to appoint the guy to the same board and served all. He didn't want to jog again right. There was no allegation that i benefited by cycle penny. You'll have the distinction. According to the eleventh circuit of being the only person public official ever sent to prison Under these circumstances but be that as it. May you know we've got to. We've got to change our justice system to protect the innocent. And to hold the guilty accountable. So i'm looking forward to playing my role. Oh by the way. I got my license return. They voted the bar. Association voted unanimously to return to give me my license back so this week. I was able to put down in my desk drawer. So that's another step in the right direction. Well i'm glad because it should have been done years ago. It should have never been taken away. But there's that that old adage too little too late. I'm really angry at this party. For not not coming to your rescue if you can be allowed to languish in jail for five years for not committing a crime just being a target of karl rove in the republicans they did open the door for donald trump to let a roger stone keep doing his dirty tricks to let steve bannon and the rest of them dealer stephen miller oh my god these just horrible sorry excuses for human beings to perpetrate their ill will on our nation and i. I'm angry at barack obama that he left office and didn't pardon you. What did you have. Have you ever spoken to anybody about that. The other thing bill. The piece of this is a hundred thirteen former state attorneys general from around the country. Lots of them. Republicans lots of democrats road to president. obama and and called on him to issue a pardon but anyway nothing was done and i'm i'm out. I'm pushing for a criminal justice reform starting with its. You know straightening out in holding police accountable for their excessive use of force against blacks in this country is just got to come to an end it. Does i see that you don't want to go there. I'll do it when you're not on the air with me. Because i'm i'm angry about it and there was no excuse for that. I'm sorry and if i ever get the chance to interview barack obama you know that's going to be one of my first questions because it's built up in me for years it just but so don siegelman have you had any contact with the biden administration. So president biden a the sixteenth street baptist church. The african american church for young girls were killed Shortly after george. Wallace raise the confederate battle flag over the capitol in nineteen sixty three. But anyway i had a chance to speak with him. Personally there and i'll have been in touch with a couple of folks in his policy office and i'll tell you that he's got some very good sharp. Caring committed people working for him. So i'm i'm proud of the quality and commitment of the people that he has on stuff. Well good. I'm glad to hear that and i agree. He's he as opposed to the former guy who said only the best people biden's actually surrounding himself with mostly good people. There are a few. I take exception to but hey nobody is going to be one hundred percent in lockstep with me so i understand that. I'm willing to compromise on certain things you mentioned. You are now in working in in criminal justice reform. are you anything in the state of alabama. I wanna go back. Why are you still in alabama well but my dog is here so i'm here got actually. We just got a little chocolate lab up. We're this is. This is for the for the moment. But yes i've been. I've been working quietly behind the scenes in the deep red republican. State trying to impact Criminal justice reform And there are there are some republicans who are also at work trying to do the same thing. So i am cautiously optimistic. This some good things hopefully will happen. I hope so. I'm glad you have your law license again. Would you ever go back to practicing. I mean you've had a big gap in there but but it's not like you ever stopped doing the research in the work. Well what i hope to do have docked on justice as soon as possible volunteering to work with the lawyers on jury selection or a criminal defense issues where i feel the state or the united states since on in the wrong direction so You know a hotel leaving an imprint there and again the the key for me right now is having having gone through all this if one is to find a pro there's purpose in everything or one is to found a purpose and everything that happens. They my purpose now is to him. Background justice reform. And so that's why the dutch with the biden administration. I'm trying to Make my way into the this new george floyd act because i think there there's some is a good step but there are some gaps there as well. What do they what is the answer. What do we do about this. Seeming epidemic of police violence against mostly black men but not only black men. It's a power trip. I think it. What do you do about it. How do you fix this. Well i think again. Because i think it starts holding police accountable and thank you do that about by repealing the immunity given to prosecutors in the investigators and the federal towards claims that in one thousand nine hundred seventy six supreme court in something called the case gave prosecutors unlimited protection from civil liability So that they can present. It's also evidence testimony or withholding scalpels jury in order to get into dighton conviction. I think president biden's should step forward one in repudiate that in an executive order and secondly till his attorney general that while president Prosecutors and investigators may not be sued civilly for doing those kinds of willful withholding oriented falls out. If they are to have done so they will be fired. Think they need to make it clear to the fbi and other agencies and to prosecutors that if they misbehave and think they can get away with framing an innocent citizen through false testimony or evidence. They're going to be fired. So there's some pros and biden. Ken do through an executive order. That will make a difference right. But what one thing that we've discovered that we we kinda new but now we're seeing it in black and white is how these officers these defending officers lie. They lie on the police report. In the case of george floyd we saw the press release issued about. He had a medical Incident and then later died at the hospital. Not a word about holding them down in the knee on the neck or any of that stuff which we would never have known about if not for that brave young woman who videotaped it by the same token and this is a totally separate and different thing just past the ten year anniversary of my arrest at a town hall meeting for trying to ask my then congressman a question and the only reason i bring this up is because that officer lied on my arrest report as well. He said that. I got physical with him and that i pushed him. The truth is and it's on videotape. He pushed me. Numerous times. And i finally elden amazon. Get your hands off me. That's when he put me under arrest but they lie with such impunity and it seems like it's just common procedure they lied. They make up what they wanna make up and put on the arrest report. How do we change that again. I think if if if we're going we got a whole we've got to start holding people accountable. We've got a repeal. The immunity gave We've got to have a lawyer present for the for the person who has charged in the grand jury as a check on truth to jug albums by the prosecution or to present evidence of their own such bodycam video or other videos that the grand jurors would not see otherwise. Keep in mind. In many cases prosecutors police and judges see themselves as playing on the same team. They see themselves. As being part of the government's team well smooth prosecutors frequently cover for police and you know the the. We have seen tragically that the deaths of box at the hands of excessive use of force by police is seemingly usual happening all the time holding them accountable as was done with derek. Chauvin is is an anomaly. Right so we. We've got to straighten that out and the way to do that is through some of the ways that i just mentioned. Gotcha i want to ask you a bit about alabama politics Last year the state did not reelect doug jones who who plays a part in your book and if people get the audio book they'll hear doug jones who is just starting out but was was was part of the story he was the senator for one term and now he was beaten by. Tommy toubon ville Watch a hell what we've gone the way of gone from some some great representatives who are in their own right You know the civil libertarians and cared about people They were somewhat constrained by by voters but they generally found a way even during the sixties to try to do the right thing to now. We've got You know a film in congress. Saying we've got another one that tempting than dummy bill right so mo brooks is now going to run for richard shelby seat. And we could wind up with no brooks tommy tucker. Would you ever run for office again. don siegelman. Well it's given the the makeup of the alabama. And i don't think i was. I was the last democrats standing in alabama and probably the Well as you mentioned the only one do all those before top offices. So i'm i'm happy with that and you never say never probably probably because it's a it's a different world than it was twenty years ago right. I mean very different in many ways. That's really sad. Do do you have any contacts dylan state government or you just kind of doing your own thing. Well i do do for some republican friends. Who are in in. I have of course democratic friends and members of the house and senate but And i'm again. I'm quietly trying to have an impact. Where can but It's difficult in this in this climate and of course with donald trump still on the loose There's a lot of pandering to the public Saw him elected officials. And that makes it difficult to to have the kind of impact on for example criminal justice program red state like alabama. The republicans are meeting. This week i guess last weekend and the week in in orlando and there was another gathering somewhere else of the republican senatorial committee or whatever they're still pandering to donald trump. Do you think that the republican party is going to survive. Because the last thing. I read a something said there's twenty. Five percent of adults will identify self. Identify as a republican. Do you think they can survive this especially now we see giuliani and the other people being rated. Hopefully there's investigations going on and they will be held accountable for what they did to this country can the can the republican party survive this. I think they will survive. I'm not sure how they will emerge and let's hope it's not in the in the shape of a trump. But you know we've got people like hawley and ted cruz out from texas and brian. Kelly from georgia. I mean they're they're doing. They're exhibiting some horrible traits and again. I think it's all pandering to the base and you know but we have to hope that that dissipates quickly right. My only concern of the republican party not surviving is that more of them will come over to the democratic party and try to pull us further to the right which is not what we need right now. They screwed up their own party. We don't need them screwing up ours where we're finally moving in the right direction so You know let them let them deal with their own. Mess don siegelman. It's always it's always great to hear from you and you know you always have an open invitation here anytime. The book is available and now the audio book is out stealing our democracy by don siegelman. Read by don siegelman. So get i mean just hearing. I read the book and a hear your voice in it hearing you tell what happened. I'm sure as just another adds another dimension to it. Thank you for sharing your story with us and again on behalf of the american people. I'm so sorry that this was allowed to happen to you. It shouldn't take you great to be with you. Look back sometime me to anytime great to talk to you. Thank you so much but by all right. Don't forget tonight. Joe biden first address to a joint session of congress. Not quite the state of the union. It'll be a address of a different kind because everything is different. We'll see how it plays out what's most important is what he says. And i think most people are going to be happy with it and we'll talk about it tomorrow. Tomorrow's thursday howie. Klein will be here but we'll also run through the speech. So if you miss anything. I'll try to have the important parts for you. All right as always thank you for listening. Everyone see tomorrow. Keep the faith and vaccinated by i. It's time for new sandler's what's news from nicole sandler dot com and the progressive voices network president. Joe biden will mark the eve of his one hundredth day in office with his first address before a joint session of congress nine pm eastern wednesday night for the first time ever to women will sit behind the president who will also for the first time. Say the words madam vice president as he begins his speech. The president will introduce the american families. Plan that's a one point eight trillion dollar bundle of proposals that includes four more years of free education universal preschool for three and four year olds and two years of free community college. It would also provide additional assistance to low income students by increasing pell grants and also provide direct support children and families and extend the tax cuts under the american rescue plan that benefit lower and middle income workers and families. There's a lot more for instance. The american families plan will also extend the expanded health insurance tax credits. Those credits are providing premium relief. That's lowering health insurance costs by an average of fifty dollars per person per month for nine million people. It'll also enable four million more uninsured people to gain coverage the plan would also create a national comprehensive paid family and medical leave program and will ensure workers get three days of bereavement leave per year. Starting in year one it will also reform our broken unemployment insurance system it would extend the child tax credit increase in the american rescue plan through twenty twenty-five and make the child tax credit permanently fully refundable. It is ambitious. It would be paid for by increasing the top tax rate and capital gains tax and by cracking down on irs enforcement of tax evaders. Of course president biden will touted the great progress made in the last one hundred days in the fight against covid and four vaccinations as well as the aarp and. Oh yeah jackson. The male only two hundred invited guests will be in attendance due to covid restrictions. Republican senator tim. Scott of south carolina will deliver the republican response and jamaal bowman. The freshman congressman from new york will deliver a progressive responses well democratic congresswoman ilhan omar is reintroducing three policing bills. She hopes will end up. In the bipartisan packaged. Lawmakers have been fine tuning for weeks as pressure mounts to pass meaningful police reform legislation. The most significant of these bills would establish an independent federal agency to investigate deaths in police custody officer involved shootings and usa force that results in severe bodily injury. Meanwhile incidence of non lethal use of force are getting more attention like in a federal civil lawsuit filed against four officers north carolina alleging that they grabbed a black woman by her hair and pulled her out of her. Suv during a traffic stop in new jersey. Two officers are facing civil. Rights charges for allegedly assaulting an arab teenager and then lying about that on a police report and on and on it goes on tuesday. The fbi confirmed that it was launching a civil rights investigation into the killing of andrew brown. Junior forty two year old black man killed by sheriff's deputies in pascua tank county north carolina. His family's attorney said that a private autopsy showed that a deputy fired a quote. Kill shot to the back of the head as brown sat in his car outside his home in elizabeth city. Shortly after deputies arrived to serve search and arrest warrants connected to felony drug charges attorneys and local officials also called for the release of more bodycam video after the family was allowed to see just a twenty second clip on monday and a keeps happening. This time police. In alameda california. Released footage of the events leading to the death of mario gonzalez. He's a twenty six year old latino man who died after officers knelt on his back and shoulder until he became unresponsive. The video contradicts officials original account of the confrontation. Three officers involved have been placed on administrative leave. President biden is nominated the sheriff of harris county texas and outspoken critic of the trump administration's immigration policies to be director of ice immigration and customs enforcement. Ed gonzalez was a houston police officer for nearly twenty years. He's been the sheriff of one of the nation's most populous and most diverse counties since twenty. Sixteen he publicly criticized. Trump's policies during the former guys term for focusing on who did not pose public safety threats. Ice has not had a director confirmed by the senate since twenty. Seventeen all right. Here's what those of us who are vaccinated have been waiting for the cdc on tuesday revised its guidance on coronavirus precautions saying that those who've been fully vaccinated can safely go without masks when walking jogging or cycling outdoors or win dining with friends and family had outdoor restaurants. The new recommendations apply starting two weeks after people received their final dose of an approved corona virus vaccine. The change came after rising pressure on public health authorities to relax mask mandates for people who are outside where social distancing easier and breezes quickly disperse airborne venus particles more than fifty two percent of eligible people have received at least one dose the. Cdc has released new outdoor mask guidance saying fully vaccinated people can forgo face coverings at small outdoor gatherings or when dining outside with friends from multiple households unvaccinated. People according to the cdc should still wear masks for such events and even fully vaccinated people should take similar precautions. In larger denser outdoor settings president biden touted the new guidelines as a reason all americans should get vaccinated another day. Another mass shooting one woman was killed and a three month. Old baby was left in serious condition after an unidentified gunmen opened fire on a group of children in richmond virginia on tuesday evening. According to the police chief the shooter fire on the group outside an apartment complex before someone else returned. Fire and the gunmen fled. The victims are believed to include the baby and two adult women. One of whom has died. The shooter is still on the run. Police are appealing for information. And i wonder what the president will say about guns in tonight's speech while the popularity of the united states has improved significantly among several us allies since president biden entered the white house. This according to a morning consult survey released tuesday. The most dramatic swing took place in germany on january twentieth. Only twenty four percent of germans view the us favorably two months later. That number increased to forty six percent australia. Canada france italy japan spain and the uk all saw double digit jumps as well while mexico registered an eight percent increase among the fourteen nations surveyed. Only china reported a notable downward trend. Though it's possible that would have happened. Regardless considering these state of affairs between washington and beijing biden has made a point of telling other countries. America is back and that's just a bit of what's news for now. I'm nicole sandler if you're appreciate these reports and the nicole sandler show. I hope you'll consider making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported. I can't do it without your help. Find out more nicole. Sandler dot com. Please click on that donate button.

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Stealing Our Democracy with Former Gov. Don Siegelman

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Stealing Our Democracy with Former Gov. Don Siegelman

"Stealing our democracy political assassination of a governor will today we are honored to have on truth be told former governor of Obama the last Democratic governor to ever be elected to governor of Alabama. Yes we have don Siegelman who was removed from office on charges of bribery and obstruction of justice and before the removal he was the only person to ever have held the state's top four offices. Secretary State Attorney General Lieutenant Governor and then the governor former governor siegelman served a total of five years in federal prison before being released in February of two thousand seventeen. Today we're going to dive into his newly released book dealing our democracy. How political assassination of a governor threatens. Our nation was governor Siegelman. A political target by the Republican Party. Will today. We're going to find out and we're excited to have him and bring the latest. I'm Tony Suite with Captain Ron. You're listening to truth. Be told right here live. Please welcome to the truth. Be told studios former governor Don siegelman areas right well. We're excited to have you here because we like to get into those controversial topics and and sometimes political Movements and And we we sometimes get in trouble with them but we don't care because we have a good time. We have a good time but You have a new book coming out that we want to talk about And it's called stealing our democracy and Before we get into the book I'm GonNa find out I mean leading up to your removal. There is a lot of stuff going on and I I just want to find out. How when did the investigation began on you and how did START Because a lot of people it's been a while since this happened. So they want. Maybe we can get caught up on on that ancient history except it's not because the abuse of power that brought me down is going on today and you it's it. This is the abuse of power is not limited to Republicans and I want to make that clear. Anyone who holds power can abuse it and it so happened that I was a target of called rose or claiming cronies in Alabama. But let me let me. Just go back and refresh people's memory or please inform your your listeners and viewers. I had been elected. Governor was defeated Republican incumbent to be elected in nineteen ninety eight took office in nineteen ninety nine January in March Just some six weeks after taking office and investigation was started by Koros client State Attorney General. It's not just my word that Rove was involved in my prosecution. We have sworn testimony from a Republican lawyer who was hired by opponent to do negative research on. She came forward toiling remorse or guilt to the House Judiciary Committee and gave them a sworn statement. She was on a telephone conversation with the husband of my prosecutor when he said that he had spoken to. Carl Carl had gotten the Department of Justice to pursue me but I can get into other details later but the the question would be. Why would he care right? Why would that would be my question? Well the Kiplinger Letter Business Journal. Ed reported on March of two thousand and one that I was likely darkhorse candidate for the Democratic nomination in two thousand four saying that I was in a position to carry the south. It gives the Democrats the best chance they had against George W Bush. The famous Jimmy Carter emerged from the South and Bill Clinton after him. It wasn't just Carlos client started the it was coal rose business partner in Alabama this wife who was appointed. Us Attorney by George W Bush who kicked a federal investigation into high gear. It was call rose bag man Jack Abramov and three of Koros College. Republican buddies has the slow tight group that he hung around with during those days and all the way through. During Bush process he became involved in orchestrating. My Defeat Jack. Abramov funneled some twenty million dollars of Indian casino money from the Mississippi Choctaw Indians in Alabama to defeat me. He Jack Abramov along with Mike. Scanlon slider convicted of a crime of a bilking descendants. Out of this money Ralph Reed who claim to be the president of something called the Christian Coalition Operating Out of Georgia and a guy named Grover Norquist who operates as a nonprofit today called Americans for tax reform but those those four people all French of orchestrated the a photo laying the laundering of twenty million dollars of Indian casino money into Alabama to defeat. Excuse me to defeat me engine. Defeat a proposal that I had on the table all the Alabama education lottery which would have provided free college education and Early Childhood. Learning to all of Alabama's over there was there were other people other whistleblowers who came forward. Later in the course of this My Best Gatien and after the trial Republican lawyer for the public the National Committee gave sworn testimony that he has been part of a discussion with a State Democratic Party chairman and that they were going to use the Department of Justice to bring me down to win the election I'd like to go back at some point to cover it more depth. What happened in he's housing? And the and the the the trials but I finished but I wanNA give guys chance. Ask Ask a question if he wants well. The first the first thing is going I mean going into politics. You know it's a dirty game. I mean most people that they we hear about how you know. I want to get into politics. I WANNA I WANNA change the world. I WanNa make it a better place. But then you see a lot of these people get into politics and they go into to Washington to stay government whatever even local and it somehow seems to. They seem to be corrupted very quickly both sides and or at least a change in personality. How soon of you getting into politics that you noticed a lot of corruption in around you? I mean ultimately you. You were accused in charge and sent to prison for it. When did you notice that politics was dirty or worse than your or worse than we all know? It is just as worse than you when you were describing. How people feel some people when they jump into politics right of I two wanted to add still do what to change. Thanks to make things better for people and that's why I chose public service and has a Avenue to to do that right. That did that successfully as two terms as secretary of state as Al Alabama's attorney general. The Governor Governor may change this voting laws as secretary of state made it easier for people to to register vote as attorney general. Crackdown on on a drug dealers drunk drivers because my wife and I were nearly killed or she was nearly killed by drunk driver and made changes in Alabama's healthcare laws as the tenant governor governor brought in five automobile plants Honda Toyota Mercedes Hyundai a second Honda plant and we built six hundred new bridges and had the largest road. Construction project started over. One thousand is school construction projects to get kids out of last train to get a minute to safe learning environments but it was it was those kinds of activities that that brought me into the national spotlight has a a person who can emerge from the south as a possible challenger to Joyce W Bush in California believe and. You're you're familiar with Davis. Oh Yeah for sure is just interesting that that call. Rove had a conversation with Enron President before the rolling blackouts for game widely known involved Chain people were recruited to work with him. Ralph Reed and grover Norquist's and both of them were involved in the demise of Gray Davis Ray Davis at the time was the lead a prospect for the Democratic nomination. In two thousand four. I was I. Was You hoping that I buy by getting into some of the southern primaries I could that I could be on? The ticket does the as his vice presidential running mate. We Gray Davis and I had a good relationship so I had these thoughts that if performed well as southerner that There would be a place for me at least for consideration on the as the swapping and so. I think that you know talk about that. Brought the Republicans position where they tell like this. I'm not throwing a net around all the Republicans this a talking about Karl Rove and a few a handful of other people right right. There was a republican state attorney general from Arizona at Grant Wood was interviewed by Scott Pelley Hill. Sixty minutes and great woods was the one of the CO chairman for Senator John. Mccain's two thousand presidential race. And he said Grant Wood's Republican said that Don settlement was the one Democrat that Republicans couldn't beat Sarah Square so they targeted targeted him with the prosecution now. They're they're three people featured on the back cover of my book. Warned is Donald Trump won his jeff sessions and the other is Karl Rove and the. There's a there's a reason for that and the reason for Donald Trump being there because the abuse of power that brought me down is also going on today. The reason my jeff sessions's on there is because Jeff sessions was also involved. It was not it was not the FBI that investigated bay. It was jeff sessions retired. Fbi Agents Jeff sessions had been the US attorney in the southern district of Alabama before he entered state politics as attorney general the US senator and it was at a time when Jeff sessions was interested in running against me for governor that that his retired agents were employees to investigate me and build a case against me now backing up to a year of two thousand and more on when the kiplinger letter said that I was a dark horse candidate for the Democratic nomination in thousand a two faced reelection a headache a republican congressman from Alabama running. I wasn't the slightest bit inside the Political bowls were indicating that I would. I was going to win reelection and we went into the election. Feeling confident mentioned that I wrote in five automobile. Plants should put a lot of people to work in Alabama. But what happened that night of the election? Actually one singing house. Abc ABC all national networks called the election for Don Siegelman. The election was closed it was over the lice. Returned off in the courthouses. Everybody was sent home and within four minutes within four minutes after the polls closed in a southern Alabama County Baldwin County Republican Control County. Six thousand votes simply disappeared they reposted the total subtracting six thousand nine which through the election. Jim My pounded. It's a close election ever in Alabama. There was that was the closest election ever in Alabama for that. Yeah well a what happened demonstrates my point further that the election was stolen. I'm is. It's easy to say that your election was stolen. But when six thousand votes or simply subtracted from the total of the talk personnel on the ballot the governor. You would expect that some some votes would be changed in down ballot races for Lieutenant Governor State Treasurer Auditor Congress. Us Senate not one. Single vote changed in any other race. Only six thousand disappeared before I could get to Baldwin County the next morning for a hand recount of the place the one precinct where those votes disappeared call. Rose client state attorney. General sees the ballots took them to Montgomery legally certified my opponent as the winter war which then put us in a catch twenty two in Alabama. You can't challenge at election unless you can prove to adjudge that. There were enough illegal. Votes cast or legal votes counted to make a difference in the outcome. Well because the attorney general call rose client had the balance and good let anybody see them or count them. I could not get a recount so announced that. Okay guys. You got me on this one. But I'M GONNA come back and run again in two thousand six and win this election and get on with building the state at that point. Jeff sessions retired agents. Were put into gear. They built the case. They filed the case in Federal Gordon Northern District of Alabama. The federal judge the first day of the trial. So this is the most unfounded criminal case over which I've ever presented him in my twenty nine years and seven months on the badge. The government dismissed the case with prejudice within just days after my formal announcement that I was going to run again in two thousand six. A second indictment was released that resulted in the trial in two thousand six. I WanNa make something clear here to about Donald Trump. Bang on the back cover. And I'd like to know so. Think about Rob Begovic militarising. The governor together villain away was on tape. Recorded trying to make deals to swap favors official action for things that would benefit him personally. In case I was not accused of taking a single penny the contribution the one contribution that sent me to prison was a contribution to not Alabama education lottery proposal a ballot referendum. That was being posed by jacked Abramov and the Mississippi choctaw Indians funnel twenty million dollars illegally entered the state. I raised money legallais. Five hundred thousand dollars to promote the passage of the lottery which would have sent against the college for free and provided universal early learning for all Alabama skits. There was. There was no evidence of any who had broke much less and express one as in Begovic guys. And if you if you look at the allegations of Donald Trump's in eastland their allegations that and we heard tape recordings of Donald trump saying to the president of Ukraine. Basically you can get this money but I wanted investigation you. There's a big difference between what's made a person and and the allegations against Donald Trump. And what sent Rod Begovic to person? Selling my there was no quid. Pro Quo no personal benefit idea point. That was official action. I did appoint a fortune five hundred CEO to a back to a board on which she had served for twelve years appointed by three previous governors Republicans and Democrats a nonpaying board. Yes there was official action. I did appoint this guy contributor to the same board on which is served for twelve years but the facts and circumstances surrounding not gay so far different from others. My point is I'm giving you the background of of of how the Justice Department and be manipulated to prosecute someone if they want to bring them down. Department of Justice under Karl Rove was weaponized to go after Democrats and to basically to leave. Republicans in fact he fired seven Republican. Us attorneys they negotiate wrote a book blurred back from my book. IF I had seven Republicans. Us attorneys because they wouldn't take all rose dirty work and then they promoted people like those prosecuted me And rewarded them with right so anyway. There's a big difference between by case and others the coheres abuse of power whether it's Democrat or Republican has got to come to an end. And if you don't believe that Donald Trump can can manipulate the department of Justice for Olympic Land. Look at look at the facts. He fired sally. Yates James Comey fired. Andrew McCabe he hired Jeff Sessions. Far Jeff sessions when he wouldn't you do what trump wanted him today with the Department of Justice and hired bill law. He does so clearly. The Department of Justice can't be shaped for a political outcome. Not that's not to say. The Donald Trump has been abusing his power in the sense of using it to prosecute Democrats but it is to say that it can be manipulated. Can Be abused and Inaba lay out a plan where we can occur. Tail the abuse of Power. Not just for political prosecutions. But for anybody I think about it. If they can bring a governor down and I had the resources to fight I have had people who were willing to contribute to my legal defense lawyers. Lots of them for decades But if they can do this to a sitting governor what can they do to an unemployed steelworker petition housewife the mechanic down the street? What can what can they do to a woman of color if they want to put them there for half ounce of marijuana more well let me ask you. This actually brings your question. You say you've outlined in your book but if you're saying that they can take down a governor. How the hell just does everyday folk. How are we gonNA make a difference? How do I mean we vote people in that? We hope that can make a difference better as you can see if they don't like these people they're going to take them out. I mean I'm just going to throw out there with Katie Hill. You know here in California. She had some nude pictures or something like that. And she instantly resigned valley and Simi Valley. So it's how how to an and I'm not talking about just Democrats I'm talking about. Even Republicans are matter any party Randy Party. It's it's if they can take down a governor and even a senator or I mean we've seen senators rea resigned due to allegations and You mean look at Nixon. You know getting you know yes he? He broke the law. But it's like they got him out to he resigned. How do we just everyday people? Americans stop this corruption. How can we do that? I don't have I don't have an answer right. Everything right right I I serve. I served time in prison. Beginning thousand seven And I met a lot of people and talk to a lot of people helped a lot of paper wrote a lot of petitions and briefs and did what I could to help those that I felt had been wrongly accused or convicted. And what I learned was that this was a federal prison. What I'm talking about is federal but it's also applicability to state prosecutors as well. The federal government gets nine ninety nine percent of all of the indictments. They see ninety. Nine percents is a pretty good record. Almost almost flawless which raises the question in the world. Do they do that? Ninety seven percent of the people who are indicted plead guilty about sixty seven percent of them before they even got an attorney. The government has a phenomenal record of sending people to prison. And but the reason that it's happening is because has one of your judges The the Chief Judge of the Circuit Court of Appeals Alex. Kozinski said prosecute the withholding the withholding on the scope. Patry evidence by prosecutors. Is Epidemic the Prosecutors in the secrecy of a grand jury can present false evidence. False testimony with withhold exculpatory. Evidence evidence. Tim Free a target With with with impunity. They did this because there is no judge present and there is no lawyer for the for the target of the grand jury president to to object to the testimony or to object to the production of evidence. Now if you're in a civil deposition and a lawyer presents a question that shouldn't be asked or trials introduce evidence that shouldn't be introduced. The lawyer for the defendant has an opportunity to judge and a magistrate judge decides whether or not that evidence or testimony should be love in what should happen in grand. Juries is that the target should be able to have a lawyer present to object to false testimony or to object misleading evidence And that those objections should be heard and decided by a judge before the grand jury acts on them. It is indisputable that a grand jury is a critical point of a credit of a criminal proceeding. It does no good that our our laws require a defendant to have an attorney if they've already been indicted and ninety seven percent of them have already pled guilty for a lawyer to have any impact on behalf of those who are innocent or he should not be charged in the grand jury setting. And you know there's so many table who well. I'm just talking about myself me. I wouldn't have been indicted if I had had a lawyer. Present in my grand jury of the two lawyers that presenting evidence. One of them was his name. Is Matt Hart? The Department of Justice itself released a report that was published by the project on governmental oversight of December fourteenth. Two Thousand Fifteen. The government itself Department of Justice itself it mid that in my case they had evidence that the lead prosecutor he was pushing for my investigation and prosecution was in email communication with Republican opponents campaign manager. Now let's back up. Pill Hill was managing Republican opponents campaign. It was the husband of the of the. Us Attorney Call Rose best friend. His business partner in Alabama is was a guy named Billy Canary. They both were in the Bush quayle campaign without failed in nineteen. Ninety-two they both came. Alabama Karl Rove. Billy Canary Married girl. Smell the rose set up shop on Rosemary Beach and on the Gulf Coast Billy. Canary settled him his wife and and Montgomery they worked together to take over political campaigns in Alabama. One of the campaigns eventually was the State Attorney General Karl Rove Not. My point is the. Us Attorney is was connected to rove the State Attorney General was his client. The lead prosecutor was who is seeking investigation was email communication with my Republican opponents campaign manager and I was brought to trial one month before my reelection in the courtroom. Where the a the wife of Colorado's best friend and the campaign manager my opponent was the prosecutor. Ron said he wanted to act as well. I mean my thing is. You're when you wrote this book. I mean you must have a lot of a lot of information that you wanted to put it in this book and and was there some things in the book that are that. You didn't put the book that you wanted to. That may be COULDA got feedback or too sensitive to sensitive that you didn't want to share with the public or you wanted to share but you might have got you in trouble in the long run. I well I did write a book. I had may have plenty of time to write five minutes longer. Wrote a longer book. It was about six hundred forty pages but when I got out of a shopped it around to some literary agents. Say all agreed. That was a good story but needed to be cut so after got out of prison in February of two thousand seventeen. I started kind to compress this six hundred and forty page. Mammoth memoir into what some described as a John Grisham thriller because it has as many twists and turns and unbelievable actions but in politics is anybody could ever imagine but yeah I short but no. I didn't leave out anything that that I that I would have gotten anybody in trouble. The people I'm talking about or alive and well Bill Bill. Fire Koros client whom? I'm saying illegally seized illegally certified the vote. It costs me my election in two thousand and two is seated on the eleventh circuit. Court of Appeals. Now aren't you afraid that they would come after you for right I can? I can come after me but they can't they you know it's hard it's hard for for somebody to file a civil damages if you tell them the truth and I'm not afraid of anything that sends monk it's documented. It's got I think about forty pages of legal notes and they want to file a lawsuit. I'd be happy to face them and put them under oath and ask them questions. And I don't think that's going to happen. Five years is a long time to set in reflect on your life. You know decisions you make and even just What other people have done toward you? You know some people can get bitter some people. Can you know look for revenge and some people can find peace in in those five years? What was your your take on your own reflection in those five years besides writing this book. I mean it sounds like a great book. I haven't had a chance to read it because it's not out yet but What was your take on your own life and what you WANNA do Once now that you're out what's what's your. What's your goal to give you a couple of examples. I'm GonNa about your question. We run out of town. We won't we won't the If I if I told you that the president of the United States Senate his lawyer into the Supreme Court and argue that. Us citizens do not have a constitutional right not to be framed. That would probably shock you. Well that's exactly what President Obama did on January the fourth two thousand ten his lawyer went to the Supreme Court and argue that. Us citizens don't ever right not to be framed. Don't do not have a constitutional right not to be fine. The second thing that I would mention that a lot of people don't know is your listeners. They probably don't know that a judge can add years to a person. Senate's prison sentence for matters that the jury found that person not guilty. A jury finds him not guilty but the judge can add years to a person sentence for those matters for which the jury found the defendant. Not Guilty in my case the federal judge tripled triple by God line rage for matters for which I was acquitted and the final thing is. I mentioned that ninety. Seven percent of the people plead guilty the three percent. They go to trial if they testify on their own behalf and the jury finds him guilty. Anyway the judge figures well. They must've lied because the jury found him guilty. Therefore I'm going to add a perjury charge or an obstruction of justice charge to the half ounce of marijuana whatever was convicted at right over and over and over again so when. I sold these things recurring. Newman I heard stories about false. Evidence being presented or exculpatory evidence. Not being allowed. I realized that if if you believe that everything has a purpose or if you believe that in every situation one should look for a reason or a purpose for one being in that situation. I felt like God was telling me. Okay Don. You've seen what's wrong with it. You've seen what's wrong with the criminal justice system? Now go fix so. That is my quest. Now you know running. This book is not about me. This is this is about democracy. This is about preserving protecting our freedoms this is about protecting those are more vulnerable in society. They don't have the resources to fight back. So what I WANNA do is to balance the scales of justice and to do that to make the changes in the criminal justice system that will protect the innocent I've got to have credibility to do that. And that's why I'm asking people to preorder this book. Go to Amazon. Hold on Donaldson that going to be tough for you. I got all these different charges that you were charged with. I know you're acquitted on twenty five counts and this and that is going to be tough for you to come from that position. Yeah exactly that's why it's important that this not be read and and be read. Broadly so that people will understand that criminal. Justice system is out of balance. There was a guy named one Garcia After Obama started giving out pardons for people who had been convicted of marijuana. I want around and I was asking some of these guys. What was your charge? One Garcia had been charged in nineteen ninety seven but the F. Elsa Marijuana even given a felony but put on probation a nine hundred ninety nine it was same thing actually nineteen ninety four ninety seven and ninety nine years convicted again on a marijuana charge. No amount but he was. He was careered. Elvis give him twenty five years for those because of the team prior felonies of one half of marijuana or more he was able to get out after nineteen years but the fact that somebody was would be sent to prison for that long one for marijuana tea for a half house. Marijuana more is insane but we find it rampant across the country and you know people deserve a fair trial and in order to get a fair trial. They've got to have a Scott to be a balanced approach to a grand jury. Right now. Prosecutors are immune from civil liability. No matter what they do in the grand jury they can percents false evidence. They can withhold exculpatory evidence. They cannot be sued civilly because of the federal towards claims that grants them immunity. So we need to repeal the immunity in the Federal Torch claims so that prosecutors can be held civilly at least civilly responsible for sending. You're taking somebody's life away. And then secondly we need every every interview with every witness recorded and those recordings turned over to the defense before the trial in my case the one guy that testified for the government had been interviewed for four years he had been interviewed according to sixty metals over seventy seven zero seventy times and he had been made to write and rewrite is proposed testimony over and over until he got his strike meaning until he got his answers the way the prosecution wanted and so we we need to have those Those interviews recorded and those recordings turned over to the defense so that we can ensure that people have a fair shake that the scales balanced so they have a fair shot. Well we only have just a few minutes left and I mean as you know in everybody sees. There's such a division in America right now. I mean I think there always has been kissed. There seems to be more visible now and you know in Washington. We see it all the time in the state houses. We see it all the time. Is it really in in politics? Is it really the division that badges for the the the Pursuit of power For the party's itself because it just it's something just doesn't seem right to me when it comes to we always say we're Americans first but yet it seems like we're so divided I mean I forget the religions. Forget all this other stuff but is it just mostly power when it comes to politics itself? It really makes no sense. You're you're exactly right. There there is absolutely no reason for the party's political parties to be so dug in and so unwilling to work together to compromise in. What would be the best interest of the people of the country right baby? We saw a little of that in this Relief package that was passed. But there's so many other issues that can be solved if people would only as you said but but become American stores in the interest of American rights before of whatever else it is now part of it of course is driven by Your Campaign. Contributions and young people seeking reelection in worried about. Were they going to get the money to run? These expensive campaigns on on television campaigns amount of money that we spend is obscene. It forecloses most average people from entering into politics And you know I'm I'm not one for big government of not one for normally for am not even sure this work but you know having a public funded campaign but if there was a way to eliminate or restrict the amount of money we've seen citizens united you're the top spend blowing off for that so I'm not sure where we are or how we can get back to the proposition that you propose that members of both political parties ought to consider themselves Americans first and do what's in the best interest of the country into that well we we are honored to have you on the show People please go to STEALING OUR DEMOCRACY DOT COM. You can Check out the website. Go to Amazon preorder June sixteenth. The this Book is going to be released and government Governor SIEGELMAN IS GONNA be I'm sure going to be doing a lot of tours and and Interviews and and we hope and wish you. Good luck with everything and pleased. 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20200520 Nicole Sandler Show - Musing with Mystal

The Nicole Sandler Show

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20200520 Nicole Sandler Show - Musing with Mystal

"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language if your discretion is advised. The Nicole Sandler Joe Authority daily. That could be the very reason why. Youtube is upset. Hey you do the music. Venue here beneath my boys from broadcast sound library that I paid for Hamlin receipts so I bet your toppy right violation right here. No here's Nicole too. Hi Welcome to the show. Nicole Sandler here on a Wednesday David's telling me he has no sound on either APP okay. I'm going to try one other thing. Let's try it this way and that doesn't work either. Oh Man oh man oh man oh man all right bear with me. I think we should be on youtube though. You don't hear anything on Youtube either. Oh you know and I thought I thought I had all the hold on one second. I'm going to. I'm going to get you from here. Okay now we should have audio there and we should have audio on Youtube. I think I think we fixed the problem. I'm watching Youtube three to one. Give it a second I think. Oh man you know here was thinking again. I thought I had everything set up right here now on Youtube. Yes all right better late than never. I think today should be flawless. All right I was gonna tell you at least. I'm not the only one. Did you hear what happened with? Cbs News last night Well CBS last night. was Well there was no. Cbs Evening News on the East Coast. When I don't know what time it's on six thirty maybe when six thirty rolled around what happened is CBS. They started playing stuff off the web and they are. They're online feed the evening. News did not air on the east coast because of technical problems. Because you know now look I'm i. I'm seeing all of these foul ups on TV. I was watching some of Msnbc this morning and I and I was noticing a Bernie. Sanders was being interviewed by Stephanie Rule. So I stopped to watch it and the sink was off. You know because they're using zoom and skype and facetime and things like that so I I was I was like okay. Misery loves company. It's not only me but anyway yes. Pbs Newshour had a glitch last night to no visual just sound for a while. So I'm yet look I don't feel so bad it's just me. I see Paul Lawrie is helping out. Today's he's He's promoted into my setup so hopefully he can help fend off any problems that may arise. But I think we're good. I think we're GONNA be okay today. Think being the operative word here anyway We have a wonderful guest coming up. I actually reached out to Ellie. Mus Doll last week when I was watching or actually listening to the Supreme Court hearings. It was history in the making first time ever that live. Supreme Court arguments were streamed right and The first time ever that the supreme court heard arguments over the telephone. But what was more interesting to me because I'm a big fan of dolls. Bolt his writing at the nation and his twitter feed which is at Ellie. Anyway I think we're still on. But if youtube goes out and it went out. I this is an Internet. They are it. Looks like it's coming back now. It must be a just an. At and T. Internet glitch standby YouTube. It's on the way back and buy Youtube. I'm I'm I'm talking about. Also facebook live and periscope. I think we're streaming on all of those and we're back so you know that some things are beyond my control. Actually all of it's beyond my control. I don't know about you. I think I could use something funny right all right. The question is should I play the video from the streaming software or from my other computer and try to bring it in remotely? I honestly. Well we're going to try to bring it in remotely because they'll have fewer problems with the audio. I'm not sure which one I wanNA play. I've got a couple of videos standing by for your for your comedy. Pleasure all right. I'll do this one. It's the latest offering from Shirley. Chaban now if you regular listener to the show surely is somebody that I I met online. She You know in my quarantine calling. She's in New Zealand. And I found Shirley because she's been producing tons of these wonderfully funny and very musically lovely A parody songs. She turns out she's not a singer. She's not a performer by profession. She's the principle of a small school in New Zealand and she moonlights as a photographer but while she's been home quarantining she She's been making these parody videos and they're wonderful. I both love and hate people that talented at the same time so anyway with no further ado. Here's the latest from Shirley Scher Ban from New Zealand. Who where the the Corinthian has been lifted. Because they believe in New Zealand. They've a radical. The Cova go figure New Zealand. You go all right here. We go I think. Come on play. I didn't hit plus I do squiggly you every time you are me wants to be you. Why how every time you oh just slide me. Don't want to close to the days. Sneeze reward YouTube. Please use your. You decided to not lean share your spring good spread shake you think a all. Stay out of every time you slide me. Don't want to be close to Oh we bet you even warned you to wash your hands better. You decide to every touched on issues. That is why we stick your user. Just lied to me. You don't want to be close to just lied to me. They don't want to be A wonderful musical stylings hug Shirley Channeling Karen Carpenter She she's very talented and quite prolific as well. So that was fun all right. I know you know yesterday with in the middle of all these technical problems. I did play for you the newest Randy Rainbow but I know it didn't go out over Youtube because well Because I was having technical problems and frankly I forgot to start the the the youtube streaming when I hit the videos. So why not? Let's you know it's Wednesday. We've got Ellie doll coming up. There's so much to talk about. I do have the news to get to. I'm procrastinating. Get to the news in a moment but first why not share with you a Randy Rainbow Song and the reason. I'm doing this well aside from. It's really good and we could use a laugh and we love Randy Rainbow that. This song is just spot on because what we've been discussing here in the privacy of my home with my husband whose birthday it is today by the way. Happy Birthday David That everything Donald Trump is doing right now is simply distraction. He is trying to distract us all from the fact that ninety three thousand Americans have died that in terms of the death toll. We are more than double actually more than triple. I believe the next country in line and I if I remember correctly I wanna say it's a Soviet Union or association me. Oh my God talk about Brain Fart. Russia formerly part of the Soviet Union was all right. I think I just need another song to get my equilibrium so We'll we'll let Randy Rainbow have at it here. We go and and my apologies for yesterday. Thank you for respecting recommended. Cdc guidelines and wearing a mask faith. He's now let's discuss the unfortunate matter at hand the global crisis that is devastating countless American lives Regan economic havoc the reason that we have all been forced to take shelter in our homes Obama Gate. what is that? It was the greatest political crime in the history of our country. Some of your harshest critics say that these attacks on the former president and your recent twitter tantrums or meant to distract from your eld Rona virus response. We're of the assumption that by the end of the year. We're going to have a vaccine. Ooh could you hold off on that just a little longer? It's GonNa take me a while to lose all the quarantine look the LE- The less successful. We are in opening the better. They are probably may be referred election. But I'm letting people know. In many cases they're doing it just for a global pandemic. Sounds like some fictional Steven soderbergh. Both from two thousand eleven right believe it or not at the real thing. People are suffering. Millions are out of work. The economy has evaporated and worst of all. I haven't had a haircut in more than two months. So how does an unprepared reality? Tv host pretending to be the president deal with such an unprecedented crisis. I can tell you in one word. This was all Obama. Distraction John Distraction. This was all Biden distraction and we caught them. They wanted Hillary Clinton to win many people fighting for their lives or scared to lose their jobs and stuck inside their houses. Thousands of people dying on your watch and to is that you're thinking of Cama that's the enemy the paper. It is a disgrace who've done more testing than all the countries in the world and he wanted to watch teashops shows in fact there's only one thing on his free sleepy. Joe Biden getting really good poll numbers over ten million tests. Never Gotten over losing to me. Hope that humanity has with some dignity. Some album is your Patty America. Great Again Colossus of Disaster Obama gay drops. That's a question you should ask. China posting pictures his. Everybody disagreed when I did that. Era where number of questions raised by the actions of the Obama Administration Obama Alabama Jackson disgrace. What's happening? Oh Man Obama Gate a Ui Randy. Rainbow is a genius. I I'm glad I played it again because honestly yesterday when I played it. I was so busy trying to fix all the technical problems we were having that. I really didn't get a chance to watch even though I had seen it the day before because you know when it was released anyway because so anyway I'm glad I played it again. I hope you're You enjoyed that as much as I did because we need a good laugh. I think we'll probably have some laughs As WELL COMING UP WHEN ELLIE MISSILE JOINS US? Unfortunately there's not much laughter in today's news. And Oh my goodness there's a lot going on and in fact since you know before I started doing what's News as I've told you I wake up early early in the morning. I mean if I'm not already awake by six Jackson gets me up because because because he runs the place. I just live here So I start working on. What's news probably around seven and finish it? I try to get it done by ten Sometimes earlier and then stuff happens. Throughout the day. For instance today it begins. Oh I should start with the with the. What's News Sounder? Right all right. We'll do this and and we'll do it. Live only do it. Live is missing. No hold on. It's on this computer. Come on Bill O'Reilly where are you? Lord okay there. We go better late than never saw. God Bill Shush all right so it begins a Senate committee. Today voted to authorize a subpoena as part of a Republican led investigation targeting former vice president. Joe Biden's son Hunter. Yeah the Party line vote in the Senate homeland. Security and governmental affairs committee came amid vigorous objections from Democrats who have accused their Republican. Counterparts of pushing Russian disinformation and improperly using the Senate's to boost Donald Trump's reelection bid by Wednesday's vote authorizes. The committee's chairperson. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin to subpoena Blue Star strategies. That's a democratic. Pr Firm that did consulting work for Burris MMA. That's that's the Ukrainian energy company on whose board Hunter Biden. Sat. Johnson's probe focuses on allegations that Blue Star strategy sought to leverage Biden's position on the board and order to influence matters at the Obama. Era State Department. This is you know I've I've for years I've been using a term that I coined Most started during the Bush administration when they would say one thing. When the reality was another I would talk about the frustrations I had in. Want to take calls on my radio show with talking to Republicans who will who just will not concede the truth. In other words. They'll fight you want everything much like they do today up as down in his out. Green is black. You know opposite world. Thought you knew you never knew widow sideways. Straight AHEAD FACTS. No longer matter. Reality FICTION SIGNPOST UP AHEAD. You're next up on were and that's that's where we are today. Did you hear the latest with trump in Michigan so donald trump tweeted breaking Michigan? Send absentee ballots to seven point. Seven million people of headed primaries in the general election this was done illegally without authorization by a rogue secretary of state. I will ask to hold up funding to Michigan if they want to go down this voter fraud path. Okay first of all. She didn't send absentee ballots to seven. Point seven million people. She sent Applications for any of those eligible voters to get an absentee ballot so they can vote by mail in the election. There's nothing illegal about that rogue secretary of State. She was elected by the people of Michigan. How is she rogue? And you're going to ask to hold up funding for Michigan if they want to go down this road Sorry that's Illegal actually after the tweet went out this morning. The Secretary of State of Michigan tweeted back. Her name is Jocelyn Benson and. She tweeted back. She said Hi. I also have a name it's Jocelyn Benson and we sent applications not ballots just like my gop colleagues in Iowa Georgia Nebraska and West Virginia. Yeah and other. Legal experts responded on mass on the twitter machines saying that Basically attempted extortion of states was anticipated and illegal and and the anticipate attempted extortion of states came from Daniel Goldman. He's the former federal prosecutor. I believe or US Attorney. I guess the same thing Who was one of the prosecutors for the House Impeachment Committee Anyway? But that's not all it's happening in Michigan today and again this well. I was going to say it doesn't have anything to do with politics but it all has to do with politics. Our thoughts are with the people of Midland County Michigan. Today we're the Governor Gretchen. Whitmer declared a state of emergency after two two dams breached because of torrential downpours. Whitmer warned the downtown Midland. A city of forty thousand in the home of Dow chemical could be under nine feet of water by this afternoon. They already evacuated about one. Hundred Thousand People It's just horrifying in the midst of all this which reminds me by the way that hurricane season is right around the corner. It seems like we're getting an early start on the season because there was a storm out in the Gulf that luckily passed underneath us But you know just what we need right on. Top of the pandemic. We've got the cove it and the hurricane season starting up and dams being breached in Michigan. Lovely and on top of that. We have a rogue secretary of state as opposed to the Michigan Secretary of state who was actually elected by the People. Mike Pompeo was not he was chosen by Donald Trump. And remember when we used to worry about jeff sessions. Oh my God well. Mike Pompeo's got a few problems happening right now so you know that last week on Friday it the trump administration abruptly fired Steve. The State Department's Inspector General. Then rose saying that. Lineker had been investigating POMPEO's alleged. Use of staffers from the State Department to perform personal errands. Picking up dry cleaning walking his dog making reservations things like that. Well we've since learned of another more serious investigation was also underway. The New York Times is reporting that Mike. Pompeo declined to sit for an interview with the state. Department's Inspector General Steve Lennox his inquiry into. That's my drummer Whether the trump administration acted illegally in declaring an emergency to bypass a congressional freeze on arms sales to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. So pompeo said No. I'm not GonNa sit for that interview so instead he chose to answer written questions. Remind you of anything there. Yeah but this is proof. That pompeo was aware of the investigation. Despite his previous statement denying that he knew he was under investigation. That's what he said the other day. I didn't know I was under investigation. Yeah but wait. There's more NBC News reporting today that until the corona virus shut them down in March. Mike Pompeo and his wife held regular dinner parties that were known as Madison parties. The guest list usually included billionaire C. E. O.'s Supreme Court justices political heavyweights ambassadors. They arrived decked out in evening tire. They'd be escorted by private elevator to the dinner in the historic diplomatic reception rooms at the State Department. All on the taxpayer's dime or more accurately dollar the now State Department officials involved in the dinners said they had raised concerns internally that the events were essentially using federal resources to cultivate a donor and supporter base for Mike. Pompeo's political ambitions complete with extensive. Contact information that gets sent back to Susan. Pompeo's personal g mail address and of course the officials and others who attended the dinners told these facts on the condition of anonymity. Wow by the way. Lineker was the fourth inspector general to be fired by the trump administration in the last six weeks. The Washington Post is now reporting that house. Democrats plan to open an investigation into the firing of the Transportation Department's acting inspector-general more on matinees. Second the concern that the move was tied to an ongoing investigation of Secretary of transportation. Elaine Chao Tze dealings with the State of Kentucky Elaine Chao of course is married to Senate Majority Leader Mitch. Mcconnell and has faced questions about whether her department has given preferential treatment to projects in his State and that acting inspector-general is not one of the four that we've heard about who was fired by the trump administration in the last six weeks because he was only acting so now. We know that there's at least five who were fired. Oh yes these are things that I won't ask Ellie Moustache Belt because astounding absolutely astounding. All right one more thing that I want to share with you. I've got tons of audio that I didn't get to but you know as the death toll in the US passed ninety two thousand yesterday. Donald Trump was asked why we have so many more cases and more deaths than any other nation in the world. You probably heard his response but but I have I have to. I have to play this again because I'm I'm blown away. That we have such a moron sitting in the Oval Office. Here's what he said again asked why we have so many more cases and deaths than any other nation in the world we lead in cases. That's because we have more testing than anybody else. Oh my God we test much more than anybody else again. We're close to fourteen million said twelve twelve and a half cents a liar close to fourteen million now and so we have fourteen million tests and Germany of two million. That's a lot and others are doing one million so of your testing fourteen million people. You're gonNA find many more cases. Many of these people aren't very sick but they still go down as a case so actually the number of hey sales also much bigger country than most so when we have a lot of cases. I don't look at that as a bad thing. I look at that as in a certain respect as being a good thing because it means our testing is much better so if we were testing million people on fourteen million people we would have far few cases right now. We wouldn't edge of honor. I view it as a badge of honor. He views it as a badge of honor that there are more deaths by far in the United States than in any other Any other a country in the world. I'm just I'm blown away by that. And hold on I found a there was a A graphic on TV that I took a picture of because I had to see it Oh this is about the hydroxy. We never mind I thought it was on the number of of of death it is astounding and when you look at the at the tabulations at the at the death tolls and the counts of how many infected people are in each country. We are far and away above them. All because of the incompetence leading this country leading us down a path to ruin leading us to death and destruction leading us to be the the joke the unfunny joke around the nation Because we can't get a handle on this pandemic and and we had every opportunity to all right with that. I'm now calling. Lms STALL SO ELLIE MISS. Stall is the justice correspondent for the nation. He covers the courts the criminal justice system in politics and he's the force behind the magazine's monthly column objection. You can follow him on twitter at Ellie NYC and definitely read him at the nation dot com or the nation magazine. Ellie Musalia with US. Here are you are. Thank you so much for joining us today. I know these are just weird times. We're living through and I know you're busy because you're at home and you've got kids to take care of. Yes yeah I have a seven year old and a four year old and my wife is working from home and my mother is working out. She lives the thoughts. And so it's just a just a mad house right now but there's gotta be some still. I'm a I'm trying to find the silver linings and the silver lining here. Is You get to spend more time with your family right? Oh yeah I know so much more. Burma pokemon ever would have before the you're look I. It's it's weird like I am. I'm a hold. Ati by nature So the being forced to stay with my family which I generally like And in my house which I generally like has it been the worst. Hasn't been the worst thing for me. I feel like my adjustment. We've been a little bit easier Ben's mother people nothing really complain about. I follow your twitter feed and I get. I get lots of joy from your twitter feed because it's very informative and entertaining at the same time. But today I see that. You're sort of conflicted over You're having a parental conundrum of sorts. In that. You're having to tell your kids to be quiet and you don't want to. It's so it's really fair for them like it's almost the summer their kids there so they're supposed to be able to be loud and be bunged us to be jumping on things. But because I'm working from home my wife's from like we have to keep telling them to like be quiet and stay in their room. You know because you know I call right now. My wife had called an hour. Have a call an hour from now like we have to. We have to turn the the house which used to be in their play space into our home offices and that adjustment while it's been like difficult for the adults I think has been really hard on the children and it's just you. You're just just kind of worried out like how the forcing you know. You don't WanNA force my seven year old to act like my co work. She's allowed to be second. Yeah I feel for you and thankfully long pass those years but my we each have our own issues to deal with during this quarantine. My daughter turned twenty. One stuck at home with me and my husband you know. That's not really a way to celebrate your twenty first birthday. We had a lovely bottle of champagne but I felt so sorry for I can't even imagine being turned twenty one. Having to live with my mom right I would have gone sees lucky because she has a really cool mom but you know still who wants to spend their twenty first birthday stuck at home with their parents anyway. Ellie missed all you know actually I you know I contacted you last week to ask you back on the show Because I was enjoying your live tweeting of the first ever livestream Supreme Court arguments and a second I actually. It was the first time the Supreme Court ever heard arguments over the phone and in I loved your observations are want one year from you on that but I was surprised to read that this was the first time you heard Supreme Court arguments in real time. Yeah so for as much as I report on the courts and interested in the. I've never actually been to. I never actually been to the Spring Board. Dow People Should Know Corp is public right like we can get into like you know cameras in the courtroom. Whatever but like the the we are supposed to be able to see justice done in public full transparency the Supreme Court as Public Co. You really do get up early. Can stand in line or depressed pass and and do a bunch of other you know stuff. There press requirements very have to wear a jacket like Just never never bothered to like drag myself over to first street to go see. They're also a bit of a philosophical point that I would make here that I don't actually think. Oral arguments are all that important It's a little bit of a controversial opinion. I I tend to think that the judges make up their minds on how they're going to vote on a case how they're going to decide based on the brief based on their research based on their clerks. I don't think or arguments adds a lot. They're kind of decision making process. I think it's mainly just for show anyway. And so like from a ability to do my job kinda perspective. I've never felt that going there in person was particularly important. IT IS. It was interesting to hear to hear it all shake out like I. I think that put like this. I think it's the kind of thing that the public can actually benefit from seeing to see kind of think through the argument right. I just don't think that they matter a lot in terms of like what the ultimate decision is going to be right and and I saw that a lot in following the the you know the hearings in real time watching listening to the arguments and reading twitter along the way with you and I following some of the people from Scotus blog such a lot of people do lawyers like yourself believe that the justices all read the briefs and everything before they hear the oral arguments and the arguments generally are only like an hour or two right. So as you're saying most people believe the justices pretty much have their minds. Made up before or arguments happen. This is their chance. I guess to to get any clarification to ask any questions that they need clarified or in some cases to show boat Clarence. Thomas has historically not spoken from the bench. He seems to like the the the hearings by telephone because he was very loquacious last week. I mean look I could spend easily the rest of my life disagreeing with parents on like me to lifetime Clarence Thomas but I actually think that his historic silence During or ornaments is one of the more justified aspects of his personal philosophy theology. He like me has to agree. That oral arguments are not all that he doesn't ask flush not because they can't give any ask but because he's they're literally just to listen to these other people are GonNa say he's not he's not he doesn't have he doesn't feel there's program now you and ask questions counts. I actually been surprised. I think he on the phone. I mean everyone had the phone. Thomas asked I mean I think past you know twenty years? He's athletic to question from the bench and here he asking questions every time ago. I'm not sure I don't know if it was a little bit of pressure. He didn't want to see him like he wasn't engaged and asking questions. Were a way to show that he was engaged with the argument. I don't know if that's walk did it. But it will certainly to hear him. Speak at these off man but the other thing that it did very effectively is show the general public who is listening. Just how Crazy Clarence Thomas? Yes I guys. Legal theories radical stream to say the least and his questioning. You know for the arguments that people listen to were just. It's kind of hard. You're not like legally trained understand it but you are into questions. Were bad. There were off all of alley. I gotta ask Ellie. Masao is with US. And thankfully the courts. Basically all the justices and the and the the Attorneys who were on the calls all had decent phone lines. I know you're on a landline. Are you on a cordless phone and away from the base because we have a really lousy connection? Yes actually I am on a cordless phone and I am on my landline. But can you get closer to the base closer to risk hearing my children? I guess I'd rather hear your children because you're breaking up terribly and the sounds too horrible so I'm sorry that's okay all right little bit better yes a lot better all right so so so let me ask and the one thing that I did notice is when I first tuned in to hear it was the first of two tax CARE ABOUT DONALD TRUMP'S TAXES. And the first time they went to. Clarence Thomas for questions. He wasn't there and then they skipped over and went to Ruth Bader Ginsburg and then they came back to Thomas and I was thinking he was either sleeping or in the bathroom and we did hear somebody flush a toilet during the arguments. I'll the newscasters had a little fun with that. I think are the US intelligence and that it was. Actually I forget how we know that The conventional wisdom is that it was bar walk. It's it's a difficult situation for justices themselves to what we like. They have their literally been doing this job. Some of them for decades This is a completely different way of doing their job and their humor may have to adjust it just like Dislike anybody else so you give them a little bit of human compassion and leeway as they try to figure out the still being professional in this new environment right now. Now let's get into some of the legalities of that that the case dealing with trump's taxes there were two one the first one was about the congressional subpoenas for his financial records and his taxes and the second one was a subpoena from. New York's Attorney General for trump's financial statements in taxes Jaysekulow. Trump's personal lawyer argued in the second case and I got my biggest laugh of the day. I'm trying to look at this as sort of a comedy show because if I don't laugh I'm gonNA cry. That and it was that his argument was that these cases would be too big a distraction from trump's presidential responsibilities. Did I hear the argument from from doing rage tweets about Obama Gate by secular when hardening that trump be tractor like very difficult schedule of rage meeting on And playing golf It it it is impossible to overstate. How ridiculous the. Trim Korea here is on both cases. Right government subpoenas one of the most basic forms of law and law enforcement that we have there is no wiggle room in terms of whether or not use you answer a government to pin. The answer is always yes you asked answer it. That's just basic law. Now what's now a way where there is a milk room? You can answer you. Can you can do a lot of things in terms of the fullness with which answer a subpoena but trump that he should be allowed to only answers part of a subpoena or that. It's overbroad or that. He's making any of these boring. He's our that straight up garments. Peanut cannot afford to get him and him alone because he happens to be the president. And that's just a crazy argument that has never been made in American history before And it's it's ridiculous to me to think that we're even entertaining this argument. That's how all it is. And did you get a feeling from hearing the questions posed by the justices how there were leaning? All the consumers are the ball right. At least three of them are totally in the tank for this idea. That trump is above the law permits. Alito and Kevin are totally there And will only certainly vote to Matchup escaped from the subpoenas John Roberts is trying to split baby. He's trying to make a distinction between the first case which involves the House of Representatives making peanut The second case which involves a New York district district attorney's Sivan's making the requests trying to say that because Congress like political unit. There subpoena somehow doesn't matter but the subpoena that probably still matters. So Roberts is trying to figure out how what the baby neal gorsuch. It's actually the interesting one Where I think he might actually be play. Even though gorsuch an arch conservative. You know there's Nicole business thing we're like the people you have to worry about our second way. Revolutionaries like the first way is kind of understand that they're just using their ideology philosophy. Whatever to grab power but it's the second way that it's the next generation that actually believes in the ideology be original revolution and that's Kinda Neal gorsuch right like unlike Antonin Scalia who kind of understood originalism as a way to Power courses the actually that originalism is real and that's generally terrifying in a kiss like us. It might work out where where if you actually believe in original movement textual `ISMs and all this stuff then it becomes extremely hard. How the original intent of the founders decree and office of president out with Moore like a king than an aging back then that something was down by law. It's hard for Gorsuch to get their ideological and so you could actually see him. You're ornaments struggling with this. And what about Roberts? I mean he was the one who You know he was the the the the swing vote if you will on on the affordable care act. That's coming up again. But last time he's the one who kept it from being completely trashed Is he does he worry about. The you. Know the legacy of the Roberts court to to not be a shell for this griff. Ter- who's in the in the Oval Office mainstream media says that Robertson is an institutional cares about legacy and the institutional power of the Supreme Court. I believe that Roberts is selfish. Man Care about his own personal Lexi more than he cares about anything else now. How does that play out in this? Well what we've seen from Roberts pretty much since trump was elected but certainly sense cavanaugh. Got On the court and they they they had a solid conservative majority is that wrong is trying to end the law towards the Republican agenda as much as to speak out completely biggie and making himself another key cares a completely but the difference between Melita are actually cared. He drifted away from the base again. 'cause I'm losing you again. Oh upper swim is. I'm completely lost you. You're just totally breaking up on me. We are taking with Ellie Masao. But we've got a really lousy phone connection. I can try calling you back but I think it's the cordless phone that maybe as losing power. Something want to try on back on a G. I decide to try it again. Okay hang up and try your back all right. We'll do that all right. We are speaking with Ellie Muscle. Or we're trying to anyway. I know the phone line is got me is freaked out more freaked out than you because I'm sitting here trying to say no. It's got to be better than this. Hopefully hello we'll try this. I don't know yet. We'll find out so Ellie Michelle is with us so okay the Supreme Court and then there was the other case having to do with birth control I couldn't even really listen to that one because it was so upsetting seeing how far we fall back by way of progress for you know you name it. Whether it's women or minorities or I mean just social justice has we've taken five giant steps backwards. It seems since Donald Trump took office should not domes. Okay now I can tell you. It's not better. It's not better. You know what can I have your cell phone but can I give you my call in number and you can call me back. Because honestly we're we're hearing like every third syllable and I'm sorry the pen. Okay you're ready for nine five nine five four eight eight nine six six four one zero. Okay Okay Okay. Now nobody else call in so because I'm going to answer it when Sally calls in again. I'm trying best laid plans. I thought I had. We were not doing video today. It would be easy. No problem thing and yeah and then this happened so. I don't know we're just waiting for Ellie mastel to call back there. We go hi. Lms Doll still breaking up. But all right we'll do our best So I WANNA I also want to ask you about The esteemed or not so esteemed attorney. General Bill Barr now. We've had some pardon. My French fucked up attorneys-general before remember when we were freaked out over Jeff sessions and there was John Mitchell. Bill Maher seems to be in a class of his own. What are your thoughts on Bill Bar? I think all the in history including one consolidated bill I think the GREMLINS are are out to get US Elliott. Just not hearing you anything now. I heard anything yet was just saying that. Other attorney generals and their credibility Rest on the park tally. Par has you're an adult. Okay I want to. I want to translate an attorney. General D- depends on the appearance of impartiality. Is that what you said? This is not working. Eliot I'm so sorry I we're just breaking up horribly. Oh I don't know what the no I don't either. We're going to have to well. We'll have to try this again Another time the I'm really not hearing I'll I'll send you a segment so he can hear how bad it is. I would suffer through it. But we're really only hearing like every third syllable or something so sorry. I'm so sorry I so I so appreciate your work and I really appreciate your input and I'll reach out to you again and hopefully in the in a week or two we can try it again. Okay no problems. Thank you so much L. E. Doll. I'll tell send everyone over to read your stuff instead of hearing you today all right. I'm sorry about that everybody. I just I figured it was. There was no sense in keeping going because I couldn't hear him. I know you couldn't either so the two things we've got we've got eight minutes or so left I will open the phone lines. Should you care to weigh in on anything? That's going on what I wanted to mention to him. Is I mean the latest stuff with bill bar is all this stuff with Flynn which I went into before we got on the line is really reprehensible and I know that you know something like two thousand former A Justice Department officials signed onto a letter demanding bar resign. He and what I did hear. Ellie must also say is that an attorney general has to at least have. The appearance of being impartial and bar has none of that none of that. So yeah what's going on with. Him is just horrible and then. And then it's it's the you've got the You know the Oba Obama you've got trump and his minions screaming about Obama Gate. Well nobody knows what the Fuck Obama Gate is. There is no such thing and when they're asked to explain it. There is no explanation because there is no such thing so you know again I mentioned earlier opposite world. We are just in opposite. World for instance I know you hate it when I play trump's south you know what I'll play here. This is a very quick clip. What's her name mcenaney Kit? Whatever her name mcenaney the new the press secretary She was asked a question about i. I think it was about trump taking the hydroxy chloroquine or or something else that he was lying about and listen to her answer. The present a United States set it and if there were any other president of the United States the media would take him at his word. If it was any other president of the United States the media would take him at his word because any other president of the United States didn't lie every time he opened his mouth so there's that You know there. There's a lot going on. Even though the the congress is not back in session the Senate has been holding hearings and in fact there was a hearing yesterday in. I believe the Banking Committee and it was with Secretary of the Treasury Steve Mnuchin and Oh God the Fed Chair Jerome Powell witnesses. And everyone was doing it. Virtually there were all on computer I happen to tune in right when SHERROD BROWN WITH QUESTIONING STEVE. Mnuchin on the horrible way. We treat essential workers in this country during this pandemic during the. You know the lockdown when many of us most of us are out of work and But Just let Sherrod Brown who I floated as a possible. You know last minute replacement for Joe Biden on the ballot just saying if it's ever necessary that I think he would make a great candidate anyway. I was even more impressed with Sherrod Brown. After hearing his questioning of Steve mnuchin years a little bit of it the people who are the we call the essential workers and we call out and thank those essential workers are often the lowest paid workers. They they do the laundry. They're the custodians. Security People They they prepare our food. They put their lives on the line for very low wages. They're still worried about paying the bills. Is that fair? Well Mr Center I I just want to thank all the essential workers whether it be the healthcare people. The guys thanking is Great. But these are these are people. Is it fair that our economy pays the essential worker so little in such work conditions? Film Mr Senator. Some of those people are paid less than others Again I question is that is that fair it again Mr Center. I don't know what specific workers you're you're referring I can lay off. I'll try to chairman. Federal Reserve. Chairman is is it fair that those workers who are exposing themselves to this virus that are making low wages we call them. Essential by all of our definitions. Is that fair? Now you know those are workers who were in basically in the service sector. That's what's unusual but sports service sector. That are low paying. Sorry the clip ends. They are Drome Powell didn't have much of an answer either but Steve mnuchin o our thoughts. Go out to them and and and I love the charred Brown. Just cut him off. Excuse me no yeah and then. I need to play this because I've been going on. Mike Pompeo today for good reason. Mike POMPEO and bill bar need to both be put on a carnival cruise ship and sent out on the cruise to Corona Ville like yesterday to more worthless people. I can't imagine and they're both crooked as hell. Some Mike Pompeo. Well let me just play this clip for you because the only thing I can think of when I hear how Mike Pompeo didn't answer. This question is what fucking asshole. You have said Sir That Mr Reineck was undermining the department's mission. What exactly does that? Now Mr Lennox was the inspector general of the State Department who was fired from what we're hearing. What even trump said at Pompeo's request me. Can you give us examples? You know. Even the president doesn't know what that means. He says he didn't really know about the guy before you. You mentioned it. So what specifically as Mr Nick then unlike others I don't talk about personnel matters. Leak DEAL YEAH. I I can't talk. I can't give you. Specificity will share with the appropriate people the rationale but nope there should be no mistake. Official business secret as to why he was. Answer the question if you will. I appreciate the question. let's be clear. There are claims that this was for retaliation. Yeah for some investigation that the Inspector General's office Houston. It's patently false. Have no sense of what investigations were taking place inside. The Inspector General Shit couldn't possibly by all the things I've seen the various stories that someone was walking my dog to sell arms to metric cleaners selling arms crazy stuff so I didn't have. I didn't have access to that. Possibly have retaliated would have been bullshit. There's one exception. I was asked a series of questions in writing. I responded to the with respect to a particular investigation which anything about as best I can recall. God He's such a Liar. Nature of the investigation of what? I would have seen from the nature of the questions that I was presented. Oh my gosh. I don't know if that investigation is continuing. I don't know if that investigation has been closed out. Don't have any sense of that again. It's not possible to further. Have Been Retaliation Bull Shit. He was he answered the questions in writing because he declined to sit for the in person interview about this issue this issue being arms sales to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates without trying to do an end run around Congress. He refused to answer in person. He answered the questions in writing. He knew there was an investigation. He is a fucking liar. And Hey Mike Pence or Mike Pompeo or both of you are all thrall of you. I've got a song for you all right and with that we. We are just out of time. I what a day. This is Ben. I was hoping to get through today with no technical problems and at least I know it's not only me. Cbs News as well. It's all of television but it doesn't make it any better on my part. I'm so sorry. Just got an email from Ellie apologizing. Saying usually what he said. I'm so sorry. Usually my landline is the most stable connection in the whole house. So he'll just have to come back on the show again sometime soon. And he'll have to get a lamb line. That's not a cordless phone but in actual plugged or just charge the phone before you come on all right with that we are done. Let me tell you what's coming up. Tomorrow Thursday Howie. Klein will be here as usual. We will get through our list of progressive candidates still on the ballot who we need to vote for in the primaries because we need them to win in November. So we'll do that with how he tomorrow on. Friday Governor Don. Siegelman will be here. Don siegelman former governor of Alabama who was a political prisoner in this country at the hands of Curl Rove and the George W Bush administration. His story is unbelievable. I'm reading his book now and we're going to. When the book comes out in the middle of June we're going to do almost a full hour on it but he's GonNa join us this Friday because this is a man who's run a lot of elections and he's got ideas of what the Democrats need to do to win so we'll talk to. Him and Monday is Memorial Day but since we had so much fun this past Monday with a music Monday show. We're going to do it again. This coming Monday Memorial Day. Whatever I can't go to the beach so what we'll do a show and my friend Dan Navarro will be here and yeah so I think you'll enjoy it anyway. Hopefully the technical problems are gone now. Gremlins big on all right. We'll see you tomorrow. Everyone thanks for bearing with me by.

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20200611 Nicole Sandler Show - Thursdays with Howie Klein and More Down-Ballot Progressives

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20200611 Nicole Sandler Show - Thursdays with Howie Klein and More Down-Ballot Progressives

"We're here hold on, here. Hey a welcome to a Thursday another Thursday boy. The weeks are going by quickly. But. There are some of us. The some of us who are still. Sheltering at home, saying safely at home, and I am certainly one of them and for good reason I mean we're seeing. Well, the stock market tanked today. Did you see that if you have money in the stock market I'm sorry. But what we've now learned is stocks plummeted today as the emergence of new corona virus hotspots and a caution from the Federal Reserve chairman took Wall Street. Down and it and it killed off months of steady gains. The Dow Jones Industrial Average today closed with a loss of eighteen hundred and sixty one points, plunging six point nine percent for its worst day since March. So yeah, the S. and P. Five hundred closed with the loss of five point, nine percent the Nasdaq Song, five point three percent and you know Donald. Trump has tweeted anything about how great the stock market's doing today. Come on Donald He's been busy. He's now in Dallas. Where he is I, don't know he's currently meeting with some. Black leaders except most notably the police chief sheriff, and District Attorney, of Dallas all of whom are black were not invited. That that SORTA says all you need to know about what what this president is all about. He is a bigot, a racist, a homophobe. A white supremacist I mean we could keep going, but you get the drift just shameful. And while he was on Air Force One on his way to. Dallas obviously, he was tweeting. He was tweeting out a lot of stuff about. Too much distortion on distorted. Tell me you're telling me all right. Thank you. You guys Let me know I'm over modulating. Tell me if it gets any better all right. I'm I'm working on it. We don't. We don't want to be over modulating so and it still sounds over. That's okay, maybe if I do this. That'll help a little bit hopefully. That helps a little bit okay. Let me. Know if that's any better. Thanks, I depend on. You guys to be my producers. is that any better all right always to hear from you all right so? Yacht, it's Thursday as I started to say, and it seems like every Thursday I say we made it to another Thursday in isolation I, mean and again how a client is are standing guest. Every Thursday and he's home to I. Guess, Look, this is what we older people should be doing. I can't believe I'm saying one of the older people, but I am. And the look. There's a protest happening on completely unrelated to the bigger issues that the nation is out in the streets about it here in south Florida where I live in. You know that I spent the better part of the year before the shutdown began volunteering at the. County, animal, shelter and obviously they closed their doors to the public on March twenty second. That was the last day. I really loved the House to do anything other than walk my dog or go to a doctor's appointment. and this Saturday, a group of the other volunteers and animal rights activists here in South Florida is holding a protest out at the shelter. Because even with the shelters closed still too much trouble even with the shelters closed We They're still they're they're. They're euthanizing animals that are ridiculous rate and so They're having a protest at the shelter this Saturday I obviously will not be there because what we're seeing our numbers spiking everywhere and we knew they would they. They're spiking. It's been two weeks since Memorial Day and people said okay. We're open again and went out and didn't do the social distancing and didn't do the wear masks and thumb their noses and Donald Trump says it's not patriotic to wear a mask whatever Now is the time people really need to be diligent and stay safe. Let me start here. The number of corona virus cases recorded in the US passed the two million mark yesterday. And we've surpassed one hundred and thirteen thousand deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University yes. The pandemics toll is continuing to rise as some of the states had started reopening. Their economies earliest are experiencing. These new surges in new infections and experts are cautioning that this is not a second wave because the United States has yet to emerge from its first wave of the corona virus and You know and look with so much. Attention was paid to New York, which had the original. Corona virus Epidemic I really take it a city, a major city to its peak, and because the virus has been on the decline in New York, the total case, counts and deaths in the US don't seem to be steeply rising, but in many cases they are. New Hot spots are continuously emerging across the country. Eighteen states are seeing an increase in case counts including sharp increases in Arizona Texas, and yes, in Florida. So as guilty as I feel about not taking to the streets with a black lives matter sign. I'm trying to be diligent. We're now. We're still really loud a this doesn't make sense all right the other day. We were too low. We were we were just under modulated, and now we're. We're over modulating I I. Don't know I. Don't know on Youtube on Youtube I. It doesn't look like we're over modulating on youtube all right I'll do my best. I'm going to bring it down here and up this way and see if that's any better. All, right Hopefully hopefully, it'll. It'll it'll? Even itself out I'm sorry it's. It's Youtube telling me now. This is the people that are listening at Nicole Sandler Dot Com. Are you guys OK? On the progressive voices player I'm okay. I'm not too loud all right. It's a work in Progress I. Keep saying all right. We're going to get back to this, but I wanted to open with a focus on covert nineteen, which is still. Devastating, this nation and just because Donald, trump is playing sergeant Schultz I. See nothing I hear nothing unknown, not saying. You can't ignore it ignoring. It doesn't ever make a problem. Go Away. So please remain diligent. If you have to go out, we're facemask. Study was released. I think yesterday that showed if everybody would wear. A face mask then. The instances of spread would be lessened. But it but again. And again I haven't been out much I. Go out to this appointment. I told you that I'm doing this treatment for depression. I have to go in every day for about twenty minutes. It's about five ten minutes from my house. but I wear gloves. I wear gloves. I wear a mask I. Get in the car. I go right to the office I. I. Come Right home. I throw away the gloves. I leave them ask in the car I only and I am remaining diligent, because frankly I'm not ready to die yet and being down along from fighting lung cancer. I'm in a high risk group, so please do what you need to do to protect yourself. This isn't even close to over, not even close. Okay with that, said I WANNA. Start as I try to usually with something humorous, and and our POW Lauren Mayer is out with another new diddy. It was just a couple of weeks ago. I was asking about. What what it means to be called to Karen. I'm an old fart. Now and I I'm not up on. The the popular vernacular of the day sometimes. One of these days have to tell you about an interview. I did with Ben Harper back in the early nineties, and I didn't understand old school. seriously. Yes I will share that with you one of these days anyway. You guys all in for me of what Karen is, and I've been educated beyond. You guys as well and. I feel sorry for people named Karen, but I get the concept and no I'm not a Karen thank you very much, but Lauren Mayer has a new song. Called Ivanka is the new Karen. Thought we would enjoy that together, shall we? It's the Nicole Sandler show and our friend. Lauren Mayer. Entitled White Women achieved so much famed we, they build them Keran as SORTA game, which also tacked nice ones, and that was a shame, but now there's up perfect new. Who Yes Yvonne. Is the new cavern after her insipid speech US wherein nothing but meaningless. Their Brin. That's why on kinds now than do Karen. Without a few tears like the ones I shed for the protesters teargassed for Daddy's photo-op. IVANKA's thing. Their wisdom needs to be food. No matter how clue this or Up sued by meaning and Grammar. Undeterred what they just starchitect on New Bird Oh. Yes, Yvonne. New Karen Kay with yourself satisfied, smirking glaring plus trying to sell us this smarter. She's wearing a genuine feeling and talent cheese Bayrou. WHOA, you people will be inspired by hearing that I have found my own greatest personal growth for moments of discomfort like that one, too. I had to fly commercial. She compiled some cliches and had some staffer. And thought we would all be impressed and delighted, but it's not council culture when you're this. Because of violence, you have incited. Yvan. New Karen. Failed Shoe designer whose privileges Blair in lectures on this come. To stop sharing with her breathy voice, foodies smile and mirrored stare. No person will be unchanged albeit this present hardship, but your adventure will commence ever knew on a relative basis into show you. How smart I am also throwing references to Isaac Newton and star. This vain! Princess. Fake nose and Blonde Ryan says who's smugness causes win, says and you clearly Vinci's known knowledge or compassion, not an IMB. But, we'll get rid of after. We'll get rid of her. After, we'll get rid of her after November Lauren Mayer everybody she does. She does great work. You can find her at I. Think Psycho Crazy. Mama just Lauren Mayer any y. e, R.. You can find her everywhere. Facebook, you know twitter and Youtube as well all right, so there's our bid of. Our bit of funny for today. The rest of the is not going to be so funny. Things are real, and in fact, there's so much news to get to that. Let's just get to it. Shall we and okay? We haven't done it in a while, so we'll do it live. Okay. Doing Law. Law Gun. You just can't shut up. Bill O'Reilly. Would you just go away already? Already? You know he was supposed to be doing this new streaming show and I forget I think it was for Viacom where the employees are sort of mutinying mutinying. and. Is demanding that they not run this streaming show with bill. O'Reilly just in case you were wondering. Because he's a bigot and a racist to all right. Let's let's start with. The Orange Idiot who is now in Dallas meeting with you know African American leaders, but didn't invite any of the Dallas officials from the mayor. The police chief to the. Da who all happen to be black, just lovely. Anyway. Trump yesterday rejected calls to rename US military bases that are named after confederate generals, a demand that has picked up steam as protests against racial injustice grow across the nation, civil rights activists, and now with the support of some former military officials are pressuring the government. To change the names of such installations installations as Fort. Bragg. And Fort Benning saying they glorify generals who led the fight to preserve slavery during the civil war. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called for removing eleven confederate statues from the capital protesters toppled a statue of confederate President Jefferson Davis in Virginia in Richmond Virginia. And and I'm still hot telling me, and lost my place because it's a way to look over at the chat room and trump tweeted quote, our histories, the greatest nation in the world will not be tampered with. He really is clueless. I mean truly clueless. Well. This just happened. The Republican led Senate Armed Services. Committee, approved an amendment offered by Senator Elizabeth Warren. to the annual defense policy belted NDA that would require the Pentagon to rename basis and other assets that are named after confederate military leaders. It gives them three years to do it and well this Elizabeth Warren tweeted out a thread about it. Here's what she wrote. Last week I filed an amendment. What let me get Elizabeth Warren Cause for those of you watching. It'll be better. Just dropped her a well have my Elizabeth Warren. Action figure I was GONNA have her. preening for the camera, but oh well. Anyway she wrote last week filed amendment men to the annual defense bill to rename all bases named for confederate generals yesterday. Senate Armed Services. Committee members reached an agreement. The US military must rename those military installations within three years. Oh. It continues. She wrote. That's not all under this new agreement. The Pentagon would be required to remove all names. Symbols displays monuments and paraphernalia that honor or commemorate the confederate states from all department of Defense assets from ships, barracks and other military property. Changing the names of our bases Elizabeth. Warren continued in this twitter thread writing. She says won't erase the history of slavery in the legacy of white supremacy in the US where fighting for legislation, oversight and accountability to root out systemic racism, but it's long past time to stop honoring this ugly legacy. I'm still urging. leaders to take action now and to be thoughtful about who we memorialize going forward. We should honor the contribution of Black Brown native women service members and others who have served I'm grateful she concludes. By writing that the armed services. Committee is taking this step forward Donald, trump should listen to his own party members and Pentagon leaders who recognized that it's time to respect generations of loyal US service members and rename these bases. So! How did the Orange Asshole respond? With a tweet of course, and here's how the idiot responded. Seriously failed presidential candidate Senator Elizabeth Pocahontas Warren just introduced an amendment on the renaming of many of our legendary military bases from which we trained to win. Two World Wars hopefully are great. Republican senators won't fall for this. You're a little late trump they already did. And, not only that there was A. A just a massive. Moment earlier today when General Mark Milley the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff in a prerecorded video commencement address to the National Defense University apologized, apologize for taking part in trump's photo op last week in which tear gas and rubber bullets were used to clear. Lafayette Square of peaceful protesters. This is part of what he said. As. Many of you saw the result of the photograph of me at Lafayette Square last week that sparked a national debate about the role of the military and civil society. I should not have been there. Might presence in that moment and in that environment. Created a perception of the military involved in domestic politics. Is a commissioned uniformed officer. It was a mistake that I've learned from. And I sincerely hope we all can learn from it. We who wear the cloth our nation? Come from the people of our nation. We must hold dear the principle. Of An apolitical military that is so deeply rooted. In the very essence of our republic. And this is not easy. Takes time and work and effort. But. It may be the most important thing. Each and every one of us does every single day. Yes it is and that sent shockwaves. Down tensions are reportedly running very high between. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Milley Secretary of Defense Esper- and Donald Trump, and by the way those two to trump's idiotic tweet, my God, he's such a fucking moron. The those soldiers were fighting against the US government. Just saying. in another truly idiotic move Donald. Trump announced Tuesday that he will hold a rally in Tulsa Oklahoma on June nineteenth. Now June nineteenth. I know if you're listening to this show you know is known as June eighteenth. It's a holiday commemorating well, not just the end of slavery, but but the well you know what? Actually, I heard Eugene. Robinson explain June teens and the history. Of Tulsa Oklahoma and why? It is such an affront for Donald Trump to announce that he will hold a rally in all places Tulsa Oklahoma on June nineteenth. Again Eugene, Robinson explaining remand patient proclamation was issued at the beginning of eighteen sixty three during the civil war, however, for obvious reasons, it was not announced to the enslaved people who were freed by the emancipation proclamation during the war. And so, that didn't happen. Until the war was over and the last state, in which enslaved African Americans were told that they had been emancipated that they had been freed West Texas and that happened on June nineteen, eighteen, sixty five do nineteenth June nineteenth and so that date. Is Is. Celebrated by many African Americans, and that's the significance. Oh, good date! Significant Place Tulsa Ninety nine years ago. The perhaps most horrific race riot in our nation's history. We wanted them took place in Tulsa Oklahoma the was race riot, according to what was the definition race right up until the sixty s which was a riot by white people against black people, and and and this centered on. A part of Tulsa African American business district that had been known as the Black Wall Street and it was. It was a horrific a horrific mob. Attack on. Innocent African Americans killed. On, perhaps hundreds of people it's unclear exactly how many there? Some efforts underway now and also to to. What might be mass graves was a prolific then, and and that was ninety nine years ago. That's a significant in knows how to pick this president. He knows how to pick on this president Eugene Robinson says I'm not sure. You know I look not to cut trump any slack because he certainly doesn't deserve it but I don't know that he knows I think one of his advisors like Stephen Miller, by the way who reportedly row is writing or wrote the speech that trump is supposed to be giving on. Race relations. I think today in Dallas. If I'm not mistaken. Stephen Miller probably is the one who said Hey I know. Let's your rally in Tulsa Oklahoma on June teen. Let's do that. Right! And trump goes. Okay, 'cause he doesn't know any better. I. I have no way to prove this, but it just. I! You know I don't think he's. Well read enough to know the history. He doesn't know any history. He knows nothing. So while I would like to lay the blame for this travesty at his feet, I think it's the people that he surrounds himself with. Like Stephen Miller, who came up with this idea? and. He just goes along with it because this is his trusted adviser. It is indeed opposite world. We live in opposite world. Thought. You knew you never knew it. Sideways, straight facts no longer matter. Reality is del fiction. Signpost up ahead. You're next up opposite were. All Right, so we've got. Howie Klein coming up and you know with our new format with progressive voices network yesterday. It didn't work tried to fire off. Commercials didn't work. We'll try it again today again as I keep saying, it's a work in progress, so we'll try to fire the commercials here and see what happens. All right allegedly progressive voices in commercials now I'm going to keep going. Because there's there's another crazy, just insane bat shit crazy story! When you think you know they can't get. Insane enough the trump administration pull something like this. The trump campaign demanded an apology and retraction from CNN for a poll. They released on Monday. That showed presumptive democratic. Presidential nominee. Joe Biden leading him fifty five percent to forty one percent among registered voters the survey. The survey also put trump's approval rating at thirty eight percent, his lowest since January of two thousand nineteen since he took office. In a cease desist letter sent to CNN President Jeff. Zucker, the trump campaign called the survey quote, a stunt and a phony poll to 'cause voter suppression stifle momentum and enthusiasm for the president. That's the end of the quote and downplay his support using a quote, biased questionnaire and skewed sampling. Now. All the reports say. CNN rejected their demands. Out of hand but I I have the response letter that they sent an. It is just too good, so it's from CNN. CNN's executive vice president and general counsel a man named David Vigilante the what a name! And here's the he wrote dear Ms Ellis. I guess that's who the letter from trump's campaign came from this response to your letter dated June ninth two thousand. Twenty to my knowledge. This is the first time in its forty year history. That CNN has been threatened with legal action because an American politician or campaign did not like CNN's polling results. To the extent, we received legal threats from political leaders in the past. They've typically come from countries like Venezuela or other regimes where there is little or no respect for a free and independent media. And then he goes on to say, CNN is well aware of the reputation John McLaughlin McLaughlin associates have in two thousand fourteen, that firm famously reported that Eric Cantor was leading his primary challenger. Dave Brat by thirty four points only to lose by eleven. A forty five points swing. The firm currently has a C. D. rating from five thirty eight in any event, McLaughlin was able to evaluate and criticize CNN's most recent poll, because CNN is transparent and publishes its methodology along with its polling results because of this McLaughlin was free to publish his own critique of CNN's analysis and share his criticisms of the US across the US media landscape. That's how free speech works. It's the American way. And the letter concludes. By saying your letter is factually and legally baseless. It it isn't yet another bad faith attempt. To threaten litigation to muzzle speech. It does not want voters to read or hear your allegations of demands are rejected in their entirety very truly yours David See, vigilante. This you know this is. This is a complete and total meltdown. It's just it's. It's a disaster waiting to happen. It's a disaster in progress I mean we're watching it on folding, but oh my God, if ever, we needed to turn the tides. At the ballot box it is. Which is one reason that Howie Klein and I get together every Thursday to talk about. Elections to. Who Runs? The Blue America PAC to let you know about really great progressive candidates that his organization and Blue America is run by. Howie Klein download tyranny, digby of Disney's Hollywood Hullabaloo and model of Crooks and liars. They identify great. Progressive Candidates. In some cases convince them to run and then And then you know help raise money for them for their candidacies. 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Tell the quality of that most restaurants give you amid, but at Schmucky cookies you get complimentary, sweet and low. Who picks up the TAB for all this? Find out now with how he climbed down with tyranny dot com on the Nicole Sandler show. Hello Howie Klein. You're there. I am here. Yeah, I totally forgot to remind you about the new time so glad you remembered because you sent me an e mails like what time of my own today so? We email to you after you didn't call. And, then I realized. Oh Yeah, we moved. We moved, and actually I should mention that we are going to be joined by another. One of the Blue America endorse candidates in a little bit to chat. We'll talk with Robin. Wilt who is running in New York's Twenty Fifth District In, Rochester. Monroe County but. The places Rochester New York. which was one of the first? Hot Zones for the coronavirus, actually they had one of the first big outbreaks there so. Be Interesting to see what she says about. How things are. They are now, but a lot of things. In fact, you told me Howie. Klein that Robin wilt is also really good on another subject that sort of front and Center for all of us today, which is the idea of the militarized police departments in? It's something that we dealt with what was it for four five years ago in the wake of Ferguson in the wake of the the killing of Michael Brown at the hands of police in Ferguson Missouri when we saw the militarization of American police forces. Taking over our, you know city streets, and you have a piece up down with tyranny. You posted yesterday. Headlined Alan Grayson wrote Legislation To demilitarize the police in two thousand, fourteen, Pelosi Hoyer Clyburn and their allies made sure it failed. and. That was that Grayson introduced that exactly two months before Ferguson exploded. So you know he? He was looking into a and he told me that some of his colleagues came up to him. He didn't WanNa, tell me who but I I have a pretty good idea. The lacy clay but I i. don't know that he wouldn't tell me but I think it was. these people came up to him and said. How do you know this is GonNa Happen. And what he wanted to say, that was how the hell did. You not know it was going to happen. so yeah, so and it failed I. Mean Pelosi didn't want it to pass now suddenly. She's all about this, but you certainly wasn't when when Alan brought up and I I just WanNa emphasize something Allen, who is very much for gun control didn't make this into a gun control bill. So this is about you know using chemicals on American citizens tanks and armored vehicles Weapons to appear does that all and Allen was. He was not trying to like say you can't have. You can't have rifles. You can't have handguns. He wasn't trying to say you can't have ammunition. That wasn't this what this bill was about. This is a bill that very much should have passed, and there were quite a lot of Republicans. Who who voted for it but Pelosi didn't want it to happen, and she kept Democrats from going so now. All these Democrats who are looking forward. To Passing Something that's not going to get passed in the Senate anyway to demilitarize the police. They they will. They will prevent this from happening now. The the you know they're safe now because they know that McConnell will never let it. Come even come to a vote in the Senate. So it's pretty disgusting. No, it really is and the. Republicans on the Senate. Armed, Services Committee, yesterday voted to. Pass Elizabeth. Warren's amendment that calls for renaming all the bases and other military assets named for a confederate soldiers. So that they're willing to do, but they're not willing to say that. Local police departments don't need tanks. Yes. They are not willing to do that. And the reason for that is because remember. Every district has a congressman whether it's Democrat or Republican. And there's nothing that they like better than to going to their districts and doing a photo opportunity that gets in the local newspapers of them with all the police gathered around them, and then you know handing them machine, guns, or two appeals, or actually what they really handing them all the time. Now are drones. I mean and Allen's thing. was you know even about the drones? All he said was no armed drones now. The thing that that was. Good and bad about this. Was that okay? Terrible terrible thing was that the Democrats join most of the Republicans and kill the bill so it didn't it didn't. It was an amendment to defense appropriations bills and they killed it. after Ferguson Obama said what the hell and he just put it in by executive order well, then along comes trump in and as soon as in two thousand seventeen, and that was one of the first things that he got rid of so so it was it was. It was in law for a couple of years. And then trump trump resent rescinded Obama's executive order so now they happen. We can keep going back and buying all the weapons they want. And they and they have board literally, not not figurative, literally billions of dollars, the exact figures in my piece but. I don't remember off hand, but it was a three point, five or five point three. Some really large amount of heavy weapons were bored. We're bored. An LLC was actually the one who alerted me to this not personally, but I saw that she tweeted and she was saying. Why does why does the military? Have so much money that they've got all this excess equipment. That is usable by the police, so it's not like they're selling them broken down stuff that you know the telling them good stuff. So in other words, the military has billions of extra dollars that they don't need to buy good equipment. So you know that that was very smart of her to see it that way and I hope that something comes i. don't see how did that, will now? I I thought this this legislation that that let's. How that let's military equipment go to local police forces I. Didn't know they had to buy that. I thought they were given. It I thought it was like surplus old. Yeah! Yes, that's right it is. It is theoretically bought, but it is You know it's not like the police departments are paying for it. The local governments pay for the federal government subsidizes most of it. It just a the police departments aren't aren't paying anything for it. Wow, Oh, my God, you know depending on jurisdiction you've got you know. These drones armed drones flying over your head all the time, sometimes very very low. It's and it's you know the they're. You. Know the caption that I. That I used in the picture was You know all these congressmen love. you know passing this stuff of their their police departments without thinking that. Who are they? GonNa use it on. They're not going to fight Whoever the enemy is there a defined? The enemy is us. They WANNA use this stuff against us, yeah. Right it's you know I call out these Congressmen who who refuse to back Grayson on this thing many of them still in Congress and hopefully something will be done about it now, right. This program is the ten thirty three program which sends local police departments, military weaponry, not not just guns and stuff but tanks. Unmanned Aerial Vehicles armored vehicles grenade launchers, silencers, toxicological agents including chemical. Pocket ago agent is right. That's tear gas, right. And worse and worse could be any kind of poison good. They want I mean a lot of this stuff that and rubber bullets. A lot of the stuff that they're using has been literally band. I shouldn't say a lot. Some of the stuff that they using has been banned by the Geneva Convention. Amazing and yet our military is turning them over to local police departments to be used against our own citizens now it's interesting that some of the. The military leaders have become have come out. Against Him I mean hearing from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Today Milly gives me a little bit of hope that the military is not going to have trump's back. Should you know he lose the election? Decide? He's not leaving. But this program this ten thirty three program really needs to be reversed and I'm glad. Elizabeth Warren introduced that amendment and the armed. Services Committee to change the names and get rid of you. Know or are saluting confederate. General's, but this seems to be a bit more urgent because this immediately affects the wellbeing of people protesters right now out on the streets. Yeah and and like I, said it will pass the house. They're going to pass it, and then it will never go anywhere. That is why so in other words it's quote safe for publicity and Hoyer cronies to let this thing go because McConnell will will keep it from being voted on, so does matter unbelievable so just go just one more thing and. There's a there's a Are you aware of what's going on in Seattle right now? Tell me well. Let me let me just pull this I. WANNA share. There's a big story in the New York Times today, and what's happening is Let me find today's. Taking it back. No, there's a section of Seattle that is. Known as it's the Capitol Hill neighborhood. So it's right next to a police precinct. Let me read from the New York Times on the streets next to a police precinct and Seattle's Capitol Hill neighborhood protesters, an officer spent a week locked in a nightly cycle of standoffs at times, ending with clouds of teargas, but facing a growing backlash over its dispersal tactics in the aftermath of George Floyd's death in Minneapolis. The Seattle Police Department this week, offered a concession. Officers would abandon their precinct board up the windows and let the protesters have free rein outside in a neighborhood that's the heart of the city's art and culture threatened. These days is rising tech wealth brings in gentrification. Protesters seized the moment they reverse the barricades to shield deliberated streets and laid claim to several city blocks, which are now known as the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone or Chaz. A banner on the front entrance of the now empty police station reads this space now property of the Seattle people. The entire area was now a homeland for racial justice, according to the New York Times, and depending on the protest or talk to perhaps something more what has emerged as an experiment in life without the police part street festival part commune, hundreds of gathered to hear speeches, poetry and music on Tuesday night. Dozens of people sat in the middle of an intersection to watch thirteenth the Eva Do Varney film about the criminal justice systems impact on African Americans on Wednesday children may trump chalk drawings in the middle of the street. This is going on there and then last night. So it's very peaceful. They're just this is happening. But last night. tweeted we that we will take back. Yeah, yeah, it'll. Domestic terrorists have taken over Seattle run by radical left Democrats of course, and then he had to punctuate it with law and order I was looking at my bunk bunk. Find Dr of Paul's. District by the way. And then posted a then he posted radical, left governor, Jay Inslee, and the mayor of Seattle or being taunted and played at a level that our great country has never seen before. Take back your city now. If you don't do it, I will. This is not A. These ugly anarchists must be stopped immediately. move fast in all caps well. I'm sorry to me. That sounds like the president of the United States is inciting the people of Seattle to violence. Yeah, the the problem isn't the people's Seattle et. Idiot the problem is you know he? He got like a something like nine percent of the vote in Seattle, and get this time. The problem is is going to be the people to the east of Seattle. who hear this and and they have a really really strong. Militia Movement in the eastern part of the state, you know if they want to have their own independent country by the way a kind of a Neo Nazi thing, and in fact, in one part of the of the eastern part of the the between Spokane and the Idaho border They had elected some Nazi. As to the legislature, and he just sort of combination of got kicked out and resigned after he was caught on tape you know plotting rebellion against the country. So I have a feeling those people will hear trump saying going there and take it back. Yeah I have a feeling, too, which is. That's the problem. The people that are there are fine. They're peaceful. It sounds like they're having. Fun It sounds like they're. They've got the situation well under control, but. Yeah, it looks like Donald. Trump wants that not to remain the case which is frightening. I checked in with a friend of mine. My old boss actually carry Kurla. Who was my program director at? A million years ago. Who now lives in Seattle and I? Asked him. You know what's going on there. And he said it's turned into a street fair. He said earlier this week there was a serious battle between the police and protesters, and then he said just so you know this is sort of a repeat of the WTO except the cops are trying to be less violence, and then he said. Now they are now. They're trying to be less vile. And then he said by the way the new Seattle police chief is a progressive black woman so and the mayor of Seattle. Since trump message. Mindless. And Jay inslee pretty much did the same thing just just insanity but I worry because you mentioned just to. The east of Seattle is not quite as progressive and the spokesman. police force may have some of those military weaponry that they think is okay to use on American citizens. Possible Spokane itself isn't bad. It's the country wall. Everything around. Spokane is a big problem by the way. In terms of Robin Wealth I meant that she was an expert on The racial justice matters which is connected to this weaponization I be. She was She was necessarily an expert on weapons police militarization, but but I don't know. About about racial justice. Shall we get her on the line? That would be great that'd be. And, we've already plane. She's the a running. She's the progressive. WHO's running for Congress in. Monroe County let's get right, okay? Hold on I'm trying to add her to the call and that won't work. You know what I think. I'm GonNa have to bring her in over here. See if I can figure this I thought I. had it all figured out and I wanted to add can I ask okay. I'm going to add. Someone to the call Give me one second, so yes, so so the primary in New York is. A June twenty third and a hold on how pulling you down a second, so I can dial her number without the thing going out the so June twenty third, but as Zephyr teach out, reminded me on twitter today. June twenty third is when the New York primary ends. There is early voting going on and. You can vote early in New York, I believe but the twenty third is the day that people go to the polls. The last day people can go to the polls Hopefully that worked. Okay, so Robin Robin Wolter you with us. I am here there and who? Dare Holly. How are you a little? Your Voice. I get to hear you, too. So, so Robin Wilt is the Blue America endorsed candidate running in New York's twenty fifth Congressional district, as I mentioned the primary ends on June, twenty third. So if you can vote early, do, but that's. That's the deadline to vote and and Robin. Who who are you running against in this primary? Well you know, I'm running against your average Joe I'm running against Joe Morelli he is a long time member of the state assembly was in there for over thirty years a real kingpin in terms of machine politics in New York state, and then after our longtime love, it Congress member Louise Slaughter passed away twenty team He was able to assume the seat in a split primary for candidates running including myself that time in two, thousand, eighteen, as well and now he's been in eighteen months. Congress member well. Okay, how? Much just a careerist a backbencher. He doesn't have any vision for the country. He doesn't have any vision for Monroe County. He just a career guy who go the new dam. He just goes along with everybody and is you know taking up a seat that and That could be used for good. He's nothing. He's just another one of these candidates. Yeah, another one that these patronage politicians, his career, who spent his career, boating with corporate interests and other political players, so you know not to hold into the people of this district at all. So the twenty fifth district how he told US earlier is that that's the Rochester New York area. You guys were hit hard by Kovic early on, weren't you? We certainly were hit hard by Cova nineteen and one of the reasons we were hit so hard is because of the. Segregation and the poverty in our area. We are one of the poorest cities in the country. We have one of the highest rates of child poverty, and so that really. disparately affected us in this region and Joe Morelli of course, if a longtime politician in the area of the architect. Architects of the policies that have resulted in be stiffer outcomes that we are disc. Horrible and we were talking earlier about the fact. how he's got a piece up down with tyranny dot com about. Legislation that former Congressman Alan Grayson introduced back in two thousand, fourteen to try to overturn that ten thirty three rule that allows the military to send excess. Military equipment to local police forces and Nancy Pelosi, and the rest of the Democratic leadership were against it Do you have a a position on that? Oh definitely, I'm opposed to militarizing the police and I and I see it. You know I'm on the town board and I see our police department receiving these funds and. I I'm not a fan. You know we need community policing and we are going to spend money on that type of We're going to spend money. Should go towards the needs of the community, not toward the militarization of the police. And we're. Are you on the on the current I? I have trouble with the vernacular the defunding police I understand the the concept behind it and I certainly believe that. We need to redirect some of the resources. In many cases, the the police budgets are bloated and and community services are starved that that needs to be more equalled out. The I wish they had a different name, but nobody asked me. What. What do you think about the move to de fund the police? Well I think it's really important that we understand where we're talking about when we say de-fund police now the police in Rochester funded to the tune of one hundred million dollars, they represent more than a third of our budget, and this is a city where we saw a thirty six million dollar shortfall in terms of education dollars. This here and our schools again has some of the worst outcomes we live a in one of his both segregated borders in terms of school outcomes in the country. In fact, it is the most segregated reporter in the country and I think that A. we can't afford to spend the amount of money that we do on the police when it. Comes at an opportunity costs for refer so many beneficial things in our community including education including housing including nutrition including healthcare, these are all priorities within our community, and we're spending the amount of money you know. We're talking about forty percent of the budget just for the police it comes to an opportunity costs, and we see that in terms of outcomes in our community. How you have anything to ask or add. A. No. He's happily happening, listening to you and Robin. and. And and I agree, but there there are a lot of people who get who hear it and they. They're hearing something very different I mean they're hearing basically and trump has of course fl.. A you know, push this theme. which is that they had, there will be no police. They'll be anarchy. There will be. No law and order people will be barricaded into their houses, trying to protect themselves their own guns. That's what trump is trying to say. He's trying to take advantage of this and I. Don't see very much. pushback from Progressives explained that that isn't what this is about. Right I think what the way we need to talk about. It is in terms of priorities, and I think that. A lot of white people who said prior to me don't tell me what your priorities are. Show me your budget. And when we see these budgets that have you know upwards of forty percents that policing, but then we're struggling in terms of housing works struggling in terms of education. We're struggling in terms of job opportunity. You really have to take a look at that and we see the same thing on the national level right with with the military budget, comprising disproportionately large portion of our spending we need. Need to look at those priorities and make sure that we're prioritizing investing in our future education is our future education is the great equalizer. We need to spend R. dollars. They're plain and simple. We need to spend our dollars on making sure that everybody is how we need to make sure that everybody has healthcare. We need to spend R. dollars onto social predetermines of how or route renting's like pandemic strike. We see all sorts of communities being disproportionately impacted struggling because we had not allocated our resources appropriately. Right. So, what did you think it would be? Accurate to say that what what what's needed is to get rid of some of the bloat in the police departments and I mean there will still be police, but they will probably will probably be allowed less of them. They'LL PR- they won't be. They won't have armed drones they won't have. Gas, they won't have things that treat American. Citizens like we're occupied nation by some like force from outer space or something. Are leased need weapons of war to turn against the population that they're supposed to protect and serve. And then, of course the policeman might say well them will be outgun because of criminals have these things. Well Again I. What we found is that if we focus our dollars on improving our communities on beacon investments in our communities, we see that gun violence in particular goes down and we're not talking about a huge amount of investment. We're talking because. Gun, violence is it turns out is a very intimate problem if Affects very small portions of our community rampant within small portions of our community, so if we were able to direct our dollars to those segments of the community that are so disproportionately impacted by violence, if were that to invest in the social infrastructure in those communities, we would see outcomes we seem. They don in in Oakland. We've seen this investment made in other cities, and it doesn't require a lot of dollars. We're talking tens of millions and you know there's this huge. Budget that we have trillions of dollars that we allocate nationally. We just spend tens of billions toward this problem. We know that we can significantly reduce violent. To Robin has become a hot issue. Your race of people asking you about it. Yeah. People are asking me about it I spent a lot of time meeting with community members and meeting with the police departments and and again. I think it requires that communication I think. That people need to understand where their dollars are going. Where the government dollars being expanded, and you know when you talk about the priorities that people have usually those are in education, healthcare, job opportunity, but that's not how how the dollars are being allocated, so then you end up with communities that are over police communities that do not have a police force that. Is. Interested in in. Working with them on a community basis, developing those relationships, so that's what we need to make sure. Make sure that we have neighborhood policing it. All of our communities, not just in our suburban communities as opposed to our urban community. very well said Robin. Wilt is her name. She is running in the New York. Primary of New York Twenty Fifth District early. Voting is happening now right the deadline to vote. Early voting are on Saturday. Uh. Absentee. His Gotcha, okay, because I've heard from listeners who've already voted by mail so absentee voting happening already early voting starts Saturday. The last day to vote is the twenty third. Make sure you vote. Robin will thank you so much for joining us. Best Long, having meaning Oh my pleasure. Thank you so much. Thank you all right. You Take Care Bye Robin. Youtube by now and how Klein we are approaching the end of the our job and our new times a new time slot. Thank you for for moving with us and we'll keep this fight going. Thank you in the interim from the old time to the new Tom. I Baked Pie. What kind of Pie? Leak and Potato Pie. Okay well, let sounds interesting. I'll have to. We'll check it out. Thank you so much. Down tyranny, dot com, and of course the Blue America PAC. Thanks for listening everyone. See You tomorrow with with with Governor, Don siegelman! By? How if you're still there? Do you know the story about Don Siegelman? Written about it lots okay well, you know he's got a new book coming out. It's out this Tuesday and it is very devastating I've I mean I knew his story but I've been reading this book over the last week and just seeing what? was done. This man is so infuriating and seeing the the correlations between the Bush. Justice Department and the trump. Justice, Department. Tells me that just the Republicans are are need to be. Need to be just just. Evacuated for more world. What they did to this man is so criminal is so disgusting and I hope everybody reads his book so just. Make sure amazing. It really is. It's incredible. All Right? Sorry. I kept over just to to to push the Don. SIEGELMAN will be here for most of the hour tomorrow because we're really going to get deep into what happened to him, and it's not just you know what happened to him. What was done to him by Karl? Rove in the Bush administration is just criminal. I, thank you how we. Talk to you. All Right? Thanks, everybody will see you tomorrow. Thanks for listening bye.

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20200518 Nicole Sandler Show - Bonus Music Monday Show with Michael McDermott

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20200518 Nicole Sandler Show - Bonus Music Monday Show with Michael McDermott

"The following program continued graphic material including offensive language. Discretion is advised. The Nicole Sandler Joe Authority. That could be very reason why. Youtube is upset. Pay You do the music venue here beneath my boys from broadcast sound library that I paid for and Ham the receipts so that you're happy right violation right here and now. Here's Nicole. I'm here hold on. I am here I really am. Hi and welcome to the show on Coal Sandler. We don't usually do a Monday show. But I'm I'm working my way back to it for those of you who've been with me for a long time you might recall that this program will this program used to be three hours daily That's what I was doing. Terrestrial radio and collecting a paycheck. Then when I when I Moved online I cut it back to two hours daily and then what happened was when I moved onto the progressive voices network They were only cowering an hour of the show. So I would do the first hour you know for the people listening to my strain and and for the podcast and then they would join us in progress for the second hour and then I got sick so four years ago Next month I was diagnosed with lung. Cancer maybe it was July June late June July When that happened. And when when I I went on hiatus to have surgery to remove a good portion of my left lung when I finally came back and I rushed back to be on the air before Election Day because it was twenty sixteen when You know the craziest elections of our lifetime when when Donald Trump was running so I thought I can't sit out this entire presidential election so I hurried back probably before I was ready and I decided I'd just come back on the air for the hours that the progressive voices network carried the show because they had big reach. And I've been off the air for months so you know my regular listeners. Who came to my website in my strain to listen. Were likely gone so Progressive Voices runs another show During my time slot on Mondays. I'm not sure if they're gonNA give me back the Monday slot when I moved to five eastern or not. It's still up for discussion. But they run a show called MOMS rising on Mondays in my place and apparently cure kristen Who hosted has it has a pretty big following. I don't know that's still up for grabs but anyway I decided one way or another. I'd probably come back to Mondays. And while we're at home with this pandemic I feel guilty. Not doing a show. I mean it's not like I have stuff to do. I need to pack up my house. 'cause WE'RE GONNA have to move soon I been rebuilding the studio and if you see me today. Part of today was is about testing the new configuration. Because I switched everything around I have three computers now working in my studio and this wonderful new mixing board. That's allowing me to do all kinds of things. I couldn't do before so now I'm hoping this weekend. I switch things around. I try things on different computers. I'm able to pull in video from one to another. It's really kind of cool the things I figured out but bear with me because I used to do the video streaming from my main computer. I moved that off to aside computer. That's only doing the streaming so hopefully nothing else will get hung up and I'll be able to do other things so You know today is kind of More or less trial and error working out in the new configuration. To make sure it works. But you know had also been thinking about if I'm gonNA come back on Mondays. Maybe doing a A music Monday show because you know my background is music. Radio and Sadly I always I always have chosen. The Path most obscure were the music format of radio. I did that I loved was called. AAA which stood for adult album alternative and although I worked in other radio network in almost every format it was AAA. That was my love station in Los Angeles. Kabc A that. I was I I was a disc jockey then. I became music director. I booked what we call the music hall which was artists coming in to perform live for us and that was it was my dream job. We got to break new music. We got to introduce The public to artists that didn't traditionally get airplay. We would play album tracks instead of just this single. We would You know and the station was on the air from ninety four to ninety seven and we broke bans from Dave Matthews to Sheryl Crowe to Oh God the list goes on and on counting crows to Tons of of artist throughout the nineties. got their start in AAA radio and they're still a small number of these stations. Most of them are noncommercial. Stations like w x pin in the Philadelphia area or of course. Now I'm drawing a blank K. K. K. K. C. N. N. now on the air in Los Angeles anyway so You know So I'm always thinking I've got tons of interviews and music performances that I did on the air in Los Angeles that I've been fig trying to figure out how to repackage and share and I share them on the blog occasionally and you know Matt Nay Nay was actually Kahlo. Os Osama number five. You're you're you're really reaching back there for me but anyway So to make a long story not quite so long and cumbersome I I was contacted a month or two ago by Ah publicized publicist or manager but Somebody who I guess remembers my Old Music Days and he mentioned to me that one of the artists he works with a guy named Michael. Mcdermott was getting ready to release a new album. Well I remember Michael Mcdermott and sure enough. I I knew we played him K. Sea never had a big hit but really good singer songwriter. In the Dylan's springsteen John hiatt vein perhaps And so I You know the he sent me an advance of the new album and it's really good and this new single is just just what we need. Because I be Mon. The fact all the time that we don't have much in the way of protests music these days occasionally orders like Bob. Dylan's got a new one out. That's that's very Appointed pointedly against a trump Who else the the the? Dixie chicks recently released a song that has political overtones are undertones But this new single for Michael Mc Dermott is just as so good. It's called what in the world and The video for it is spot on so Michael McDermott's actually gonNA join us for the second half of the show today. We're going to do a special Monday. Music Show Will Premiere that video which is also good and he'll be with us over zoom and You know he'll perform song or two and we'll chat and you know we'll we'll we'll play it by ear Hopefully you had a chance to hear Friday show. Oh my goodness so knoll. Casler was my guest. And he's the guy who worked as a talent wrangler basically on celebrity apprentice on the finale of separate celebrity apprentice for six years. I think he said and I I heard him about a year. And a half ago when he emerged. Ooh sorry. I didn't mean to boost that when he emerged as a A stand up comedian and what he told us on Friday was astounding to me. The reason he became a comedian is to tell his story. It was a way to get out in public and explain what he knew of Donald Trump. And He's been telling his story but he's been doing it through standup comedy through an occasional radio interview. I know he John Melendez I keep wanting to say Menendez. But he's not one of the Menendez brothers. Those are the ones who killed their parents John Melendez Most people know as stuttering John who used to be on the Howard Stern show and then he wanted to be an announcer for the tonight show with Jay Leno and these days I guess he. He does a podcast. He's been on this program a few times. We go back many years Anyway he apparently no. Casler is a regular on stuttering John's podcast. But I just for some reason. I never reached out to him until last week. I don't know why then last week I thought you know. We're about due for a good dump on dump session and so I invited him on the show Friday and if you have not heard it you need to go back and listen. We we Excerpted police did. I gotTA thank Paul. I was planning on editing out the segment with knoll over the weekend and pushing it out on its own. So you don't have to listen through the The whole first half of the show which is when I do this. I- I- waxed philosophical. I you know deliver the news. I rant. From time to time. And then it's the second half of the show when I have a guest so a hint for those you who come looking for the guest Q. Win About thirty minutes and you'll get past this stuff and get right to the heart of the thing so like Michael. Dermott will join us at the bottom of the hour. Anyway I just had to say again. What an awesome interview that was and how much respect I have for no casler. He I worry for him and I said during the interview and I've noticed in the comments on Youtube everywhere where the where the show was posted. People are saying things like stay away from windows. Please be careful if it surprises me. That he's not been contacted by a trump attorney yet trying to invoke NDA the nondisclosure agreement. But what I'm thinking is something that we talked about. Which was you know? He's being interviewed by me. He's interviewed by stuttering John. I Guess Stephanie Miller had him on one of her shows And but why isn't he being questioned by anyone in the mainstream corporate media? This is a man who worked for Donald Trump personally worked for Ivanka as her personal person for three years. Obviously he knows things and no-one no-one from the corporate mainstream media has interviewed him. I find that to be a dereliction of duty. Frankly so anyway I you know. I've got a standing invitation for Knoll. Casler to come back anytime I I'm really impressed with him in the fact that you know he's not he's not afraid he's he's saying this is information that people need to hear and he's fearless so good for him and here. We are so all right. What do we do now? I oh I WANNA play you comedy. Song right because there's because we like to do that at the beginning of the show and there's a bunch that came out this weekend now you know. I started on this by being so enamored of Randy rainbow right his videos. I've been loving for a few years. Now he always makes me laugh not always an easy thing to do especially in times like these. But there's another group out there who is fighting for the basically fighting for the the attention that Randy Rainbow God. They are given him a run for his money. They're called founders. Sing and you know. We discovered them a few months ago. The first song they did the for Song Parody was a great rendition of American Pie. The song by Don McLean and but the reason the group has called founders sing. They used like that deep fake technology. I think that's what it called. Where where they can. They can manipulate a graphic of someone space and make it appear that they're talking or singing it looks real and so that version of American Pie I think they called it the day. Democracy died They had all the founding fathers singing the different lyrics. It was pretty epic well now founder. Sing remained the the name of their group. But it's not the founders doing the singing on each subsequent song it's different characters and so the one. They released today just about two hours ago. I happened to stumble upon it probably moments after they put it out features many of those female journalists that Donald Trump has such a problem with from Michel Singapore from the PBS Newshour Katie tour of NBC to which Jiang of CBS. You get the idea. So that's who's calling today Suzanne in the chatrooms saying it's called. Cgi But this is deeper than CGI IS NOTCH CGI computer generated images that deep faked technology. Remember a few years ago somebody released a video of Barack Obama speaking and it was What's his name Key and Peele one of those guys who was doing the voice and it wasn't real. It's it's more realistic than CGI. But again I'm not the technical person so I forgive my lack of the proper terminology anyway. here's their latest. It's called like a kidney stone. And with more than more than a simple nod to Bob Dylan alright get ready strap in and again for those who are just listening to the audio stream. I will post the video on my blog after the show today at Nicole Sandler Dot com slash five Dash Eighteen desk twenty because today's date is may eighteenth twenty twenty. Get the idea all right with no further ado away sing here. We go built a shrine to the Balassa. Daddy Freddy Always Dole Netherlands. Anybody who's not laughing the Queen's can win head no millions Co Show Scene Pat to get badly broken kid. You hit the grades ups. But there's no win stable genius bring strain as bad as has so many bankruptcies all was there one ball your foundation. Kay with drills paid the portraits and brands. And Hey this issue on settles a freaking tanking. Thanks mailing four years now. This expanding virus shave tweeted. You'd find them all you cared. That saw their winning. Well wait this. New King Tell you women that's me people. You just getting stabbed away too. Pay a company then another home guest she to report Abuse Law Day. Win You a miracle now when you disappear. He Oh yeah. Oh Yeah. Oh Yeah Founder Sing and wow I. It really is remarkable. My friend Boca Brittany Summers says a good song. Parodies shouldn't be more than like a minute or two. These people take the full songs that one was. You know six and a half minutes. The one for the first one I did the day. Democracy two American Pie was like seven and a half minutes. I'm it's okay because they're good entertaining and that was that was pretty special anyway. I will post the video on the blog at Nicole Sandler dot com after the show. I before we get to the news and Michael McDermott. Who's GonNa join us in a few minutes and a play one more a video for you and this is the guy who joined us a week ago Friday member? I was promoting that I had donald trump coming on the show and some people actually believed me believe me. I don't have that much clout not saying the Donald Trump is any great shakes. But I don't have the clout to get a sitting president on this show. We're just not that powerful but thanks to the people who played along the guy who came on with me is named J. L. Colvin and he does the best. Donald trump impression. I've ever heard bar none. You can put up anybody next to him. This guy Rules he's he's just the best and as you know this weekend President Barack Obama delivered a couple of commencement addresses. One Shoe The historically black colleges and universities done online of course and then another one for the twenty twenty high school graduating class and well. Donald was a little jealous so he did his own by channel or jail coffin channeled. Donald Trump for us. All right. Let's Take it away. J. L. Dear graduates of the class of one eight hundred eighty. Okay the go ahead glass recalling. This is the graduation speech that you obviously want. Because Obama is doing like a fake news. Graduation speech okay. Which you don't want to watch it's going to be terrible it's on CNN okay. So you can have very low ratings. So I've talked to Fox O. A. N. Newsmax and Alex Jones is bunker. And we're getting this college people in America except for the black schools and like the lady colleges. We don't like them one. Eight twenty is a stressful time for the graduate. Like you it stuff okay. Would ailing the go ahead. The invisible enemy trademark de shirts the gift shop after the speech. And it's a tough time for all of us okay. I had a wife during fifty okay. That's like way worse than any Govan off so we're all going through struggles even the president. But you're very lucky guy right now very lucky because you have me as a president. So you're going to go out there and there's GonNa be great jobs because a lot of people are being furloughed by God among great. There's a lot of death it a lot more job. Openings than people realize the fake news wants you to think it's a bad job market. We have the strongest economy ever until the coveted but the goal is opening up so many jobs in so many industries. Health Industries Fast Food Industries in every industry is having great openings. So don't listen. Mike your great great market. I bring Mike with me even to go to cyber graduation. Oh God so get out there drank. Don't social distance anymore proved the Democrats? You agree and get some of those jobs from the dead. People know gone dear graduates of the class serve. Oh and that was the end of it. Okay so there you go. That was a jail carbon. It's hard without the laugh track. But he's just so spot on all right so enough humor right. Let's get to the music but I sorry Michael. I know you're standing by very quickly. We're GONNA do a quick news update and then We'll get to the tunes okay. Because it's music Monday but for now let's check out what's happening all right. Take it away Nicole and I'm not going to do I'm not GonNa do it live? We'll do MEMOREX. It's time for Nicole. Sandler's what's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com and the Progressive Network? Donald Trump on Friday evening fired State Department. Inspector General Steve Lennick and the criticism is coming from both sides of the aisle link is the fourth internal watchdog. Trump has fired since April a pattern. That Senator Mitt Romney called quote a threat to accountable. Democracy Democrats have accused trump of engaging in a pattern of retaliation against public servants charged with oversight of his administration. Senator Bob Menendez and Congressman Eliot Engel of launched a probe into the firing as to the reason well. Lennick was reportedly involved in an investigation of Secretary of state. Mike Pompeo and was looking into whether pompeo made a staffer perform of variety of personal errands from walking his dog to picking up dry cleaning and making family dinner reservations. Lovely Federal Reserve chairman. Jerome Powell was on sixty minutes Sunday night and said that the full recovery from lockdowns intended to slow the spread of the corona virus could take until late twenty twenty one quote. This economy will recover. It may take a while. He said and Powell also described crisis as the biggest shock. The economy's had in living memory. He admitted the unemployment rate could reach twenty five percent. The Corona Virus lockdowns have brought much of the economy to a halt leaving tens of millions of Americans. On employed. Powell has urged Congress and the White House to provide more support for individuals and businesses. If the pandemic drags on he said that the economy would recover steadily in the second half of twenty twenty quote. Assuming that there's not a second wave of the corona virus that's a big assumption. Meanwhile health officials are doubling down on their warnings about mass gatherings. This is more. Us venues reopen. They say large in-person gatherings like services or meetings especially a risk because it only takes one person to set off a corona virus outbreak. Such as what happened in California where one single person exposed one hundred eighty others to the virus after attending a mother's Day Church Service Texas one of the first states to start reopening had its highest single day increase in new corona virus cases. This weekend what we're not sure of is whether the surge is simply due to more testing or if the virus is spreading more rampantly regardless more beaches amusement parks and other destinations are looking to reopen. As soon as Memorial Day and the start of summer rapidly approaching so it is graduation season and the class of twenty twenty is doing it. Virtually former President Barack Obama delivered commencement speeches on Saturday to graduating seniors at historically black colleges and universities and in another speech broadcast on major television networks to graduating high school seniors. Nationwide Obama didn't mention trump by name but parts of both speeches were widely seen as rebukes of trump's handling of the covert nineteen pandemic more than anything this pandemic is fully finally torn back the curtain on the idea that so many of the folks in charge know what they're doing a lot of them aren't even pretending to be in church if the world's going to get better it's going to be up to you with everything suddenly feeling like it's up for grabs. This is your time to seize the initiative trump on Sunday responding to his comment said this of the forty fourth president issue was all I could say lassie after. Hey tweeting about Obama. Trump spent a good portion of a Sunday night watching sixty minutes. Then fume tweeting about it after the segment with health and Human Services Whistle Blower Dr Rick. Bright Twitter tweeted quote this whole whistle blow Iraq. It needs to be looked at very very closely. It is causing great injustice and harm. I hope you are listening. Senator Susan Collins. I also hope that Sherry Redstone will take a look in her poorly performing gang. She knows how to make things right it. The House on Friday night passed. It's three trillion dollar corona virus relief bill dubbed the heroes. Act It past mostly along party lines. Though fourteen. Democrats voted against it most of them conservatives in red districts worried about the November election although many progressives argued the bill didn't go far enough was too much of a giveaway to the for profit Insurance Industry Progressive Congressional Caucus Co Chair Pramilla giant. Paul was the only member to vote against it. Saying quote at the core our response from Congress must match the true scale of this devastating crisis. The Heroes Act while it contains many important provision simply fails to do that. She added that the bill quote does not keep workers in their jobs and guarantee the certainty of paychecks. That's true and although it's known that the Senate won't even deal with this bill speaker. Nancy Pelosi urged lawmakers to come together to pass a new relief package sooner than later despite the Republicans decision to hit the pause button on talks. Yup instead of working on helping the American people during the biggest economic medical crisis in our lifetimes. This Senate this week is scheduled to deal only with nominations with a number of votes teed up throughout the week on judicial nominees before the chamber breaks for Memorial Day. The House is expected to return until May twenty seven twenty eighth to vote on five at reauthorization with the schedule up in the air beyond that but the house did pass a rules change Friday night to for the first time in its two hundred and thirty one year. History temporarily authorized remote committee work and proxy voting on the House floor during the pandemic. And that's just a bit of what's news for now. Nicole Sandler if you appreciate these reports and the Nicole Sandler show. I consider making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported. And I can't do it without your help. Find OUT MORE NICOLE SANDLER DOT COM. And while you're there please click on that donate button all right. We are back and I am thrilled to do for the inaugural episode. I guess of Music Mondays here. Nicole Sandler show Michael McDermott. Welcome to the show I Nicole. Hi. It's so good to see you. I can't see you know. Maybe that's just me. You can't see me for some reason I'm getting I'm getting a bit of reverse on your voice. That's a bad guy was going to sing. Oh is that from you okay? I thought it was because I got a new mixing board here and it's got all kinds of cool effects and I was playing with it over the weekend. I thought I was shit. I left reverse up on this channel so you can turn. I'll give you. I'll give you ample notice before you. Oh much better okay. Well not that. The river was cool but I thought I was. Having flashback or something so minute tweeted is that right. Not Twitter. Tweeted tweeted yes. It's somebody in the chat room. Just ask why. Are we calling him? Hitler what did I miss something and I said I didn't call him Hitler. I called him twitter and he is. You know it's one of my many nicknames for at least he's GonNa call everyone else by nicknames. We can use just absolutely him and he has a twitter. So don't bring a knife to a gunfight no you don't that's true so Michael McDermott You've been kicking around making great music for a long long time. In fact I sent Mike a file. I hope you sent it along to you of an interview you did at the station. I worked out in Los Angeles. It was back at must've been like ninety five or ninety six. Yeah it was. I think it was ninety six and I did. I did get it. Thank you and I listened to it and it was funny. It was it was quite like hearing someone else. Talk and Mike Mike Farley. My publicist said Geez. Sound didn't even sound like you and I said well in a lot of ways it wasn't me you know that was a very early Creation of what? I what I turned out to be. You know so it was. It was interesting hearing that guy. Talk Right and it's you know I go back and I listened to a lot of interviews from that era because we that radio station was so unique and so and and I was saying at the beginning of the show we got to break so many artists and there are a handful of radio stations in that format. Now you're based in Chicago where W X. Rt has been going strong for all these years. I don't know if they're still as great as they used to be. But W X. RT is the perfect example of a great AAA radio station. It is they have been. They've sustain themselves for a long time. It has changed has become like everything but oddly enough this song that we're GonNa you're gonNA play They've they've added now. They haven't edited Song of Mine. In in twenty years and the nature of the song. I was incredibly impressed by them. Putting a adding to rotation Asong such as well tell us about the song. Because that's the I want you know you're going to play a song for us in a little bit but you. This is the first single from the album and it is and you have an amazing video produced for it and I thought I I really would love to play the video. So we'll do that and you'll perform a different song force but tell us about. Tell us about this song. We'll show invite all the time it's been thirty year career or so and so you know as I was you know I do my little morning writing sessions and and You know obviously you know. The world was a was a Utopian Society for me for about three days when the cubs won the world series on. Was it November first at midnight To then November fourth when trump was elected president? You know it was too good to be true. I should have known something like this would happen. that the cubs finally world series. And then it all goes to hell You know that was like the first sign of the apocalypse so But you know during the course of these are these morning writing sessions. You know you. Just it's what I do so it was nothing different from me really just you know obviously to the lens of the D- Deconstruction of Organiz society. you know these things filtered in and then when I started playing it live I just noticed response in you know you being in Radio. You know that there are songs just grab people and So I don't really know that as a perform until you play them and some songs you think are great and then you play them live and nobody really reacts and you wonder why and but this was a song that just media had immediacy and it was amazing. See and I. I don't think I've ever really had a song like this that that. Grab people that much. And obviously it's alienated some people You know when you do it in you know very red states but I. I'm surprised a lot of the people. Come up and go yeah. The kids in cages linemen that yeah and people still you know I you know I joke at the F. replay it. I'd do it early in the show and I say I like to weed out the weaker early and So people WANNA walk out your to so But I'm surprised how many people really get it because I think even if they've been indoctrinated in a certain way of certain ideology that they don't like that guy I mean obviously some people do but even Republicans most don't really like this guy you know and And you know in my own recovery. I've got to say you know. Learn traumatized kid. If he wasn't so dangerous I would have empathy towards him because really he was an unloved person. When you're raised thinking the world's a dangerous place and you gotta get yours before they get it. And that's how he was raised and he's a product of you know that and I feel sorry for a long time. You know what a broken broken man but again. If it wasn't so dangerous I would actually feel I mean he needs real real therapy and you know I'm a recovering drug addict and alcoholic and a lot of the behavior. I see is very addiction. Based behavior in terms of the dopamine hits HE NEEDS YOU. Know with the tweeting. And all that. And it's just it's really use a junkie really. Here's and apparently. I'm not supposing that you heard my show on Friday but as I was saying at the top I had this guy on as a guest knoll. Casler who emerged about a year and a half ago and He had been a wrangler talent wrangler on the celebrity apprentice for like six seasons and so he worked very closely not only with Donald trump but with Ivanka and jared and the whole gang and he's not holding his tongue did have to sign a nondisclosure agreement but unlike everybody else he's not afraid and he is speaking out and some of the stuff that he told us is blood-curdling. Oh I'll send you the link to just that interview it's frightening and yes. Despite the fact that that trump claims to be a teetotaler he doesn't drink a liberal. He doesn't do drugs he absolutely does. Drugs are the the suspicion. We've all had that you know. He's snorting adderall all the time. Apparently that's real. And he had a coke habit and he's had you know. I'll just send you the interview because I can't possibly paraphrase all the things he said but it is. It's more frightening than we knew. Yes so so so adderall as one is taken it is. It doesn't produce the kind of rage that he is. You know I would say it's definitely much more coke based I mean I just I know from experience I'm a drug addict and so I know this and I just see all the signs man I just I go. Oh boy you know like and I just recognize. It makes me very uncomfortable. Because you know we've all anybody in addiction understands that plate. You know I hear Ya Arts this the song we're about to play as what in the world anything you want to say or just. Obviously it's talking about our dear leader And and the Times that we're living in no that's that's really it? Was you know in some ways? Kind of no. Majd to subterranean homesick blues by Bob Dylan and evident in the video. Even use the word subterranean make it easy roadmap for people but no it's just It's it you know in. I'm not I don't claim to you. Know much about anything really except I just I know what I you know. Jack Kerouac says every story. I tell US troop because I believe in what I see and this is what I see. Okay the song is what in the world? It's Michael McDermott on Monday. Music on the Nicole Sandler show here. We go the Robin violent a drink and we do you read new walls. Along the keen game will live a billion people so deliver viewing going good NBC John on Chatty Donald Bullet van tavern white noise James Joyce a is stay by bank news website. Pritam with man. It doesn't sit right clean. Coal Nice full apply. Jim Prove that the president is if you're eighty eight REDNECK RADICAL. David move back in Dane fees lug white pass class bad ass guy who faded gated segregated neo Nazi White Fast Flat. Catholic pamphlet talked in the world is an COM. A Michael Mc Dermott. Ooh sorry I just cut it off too soon. At the end it was fading out. Michael McDermott What in the world. Oh my goodness what. What a great song. First of all it rocks number one number two the the the the lyrics are brilliant. The video is wonderful. Who produced video a guy named Brian? Fitzpatrick New Jersey. Yeah because we did it during the quarantine so we couldn't really well we My wife and I shot the outside stuff. B break before Wow Yeah and you know. I mentioned this to you in an email. I have to bring it up because there was a section where I'm guessing. Maybe it was filmed in Puerto Rico after the The hurricane there and there were dogs being rescued and it said big dog ranch up in the corner of the screen while big you. I live in south Florida and I spend well before the Corentin I spend my weekends volunteering at the Broward County. Animal shelter helping to dogs adopted and big dog. Ranch is a wonderful rescue facility. Down here is one of the best that we work with and they do amazing work and I know they went down to Puerto Rico to help. Rescue some of the animals from there. So I'm guessing that made it into your video and big dog ranch. I got all excited. I will mention that the Brian please do. Please do so. This What in the world is the title track of the album? That is coming out at the beginning of June. Yes and tell us about the record so that obviously is the lead off track. Yes so it's been you know it's We debated whether to put it out or not but you know my argument was that you know everyone is a captive audience. Now so and I think it's if anything the record should have come out sooner I've been kind of sitting on the song for probably a year and a half so anxious for it to get out and you know but you know you have to set it up and all that stuff but yeah it's it's kind of it's it's You know it was hard to sequence because it's kind of covers a broad range of things I talk about the mother Emmanuel Shooting in South Carolina and And talking about my own traumas a child so it covers a broad spectrum. spectrum of of traumatized society very inflamed society at and or the the is the rest of the album as socially conscious as well or are there not there. Are there certain things I mean? The mother Emmanuel is is obviously a kind of a historical a record of what happened on that night and So in what in what led to it and so the rest of it is just kind of the the product of of the society. We live in that so many people fall into addiction and mental health issues. And because you know and the funny thing about wanting to reopen so fast I don't understand what society what what idyllic life is everyone so eager to get back to because you know. Quentin quite frankly. Nobody seeing that fucking happy to me and to rush to rebuild Babylon. I don't get it and So in in it's what we've proven that we can. We can stop air travel. I mean it's amazing things we can do when it's a collective and I think why not take this time to restructure society that works better for everybody. That's that's but everyone's just ain't inc anxious to get back to to what it is that they were miserable so what was broken in. The first place was totally broken. What wasn't working for anybody. In the first place. We just went from one crisis to another. And and so you want. What's the rush right? Let's figure this out. I just you know I hear you all right. Well let me set the mood. I'm here in south Florida and it is getting ready to storm outside so hopefully Hopefully our power will stay out south Florida's notorious for cutting the power when there's rain the power flex but we'll we'll be good the my my streaming Apparatus is on a uninterruptible power source. We hope so with that said Michael McDermott's there with Gotaro and hand for Monica at the mouth. And what are you GonNa do for us? I'm GONNA do song called no matter what. Which is you know. It's kind of a you know so much stuff. It's getting to the point of ridiculous but it's about my recovery from a very traumatized existence and into one of of light and peace which is what the whole journey has been about for me really so this is called no matter what Ask Burned Rambo. Pitching the could've cavanaugh and next common correct built my bags with your starting in digging at. That's still running to kissed. The violence over did the B. Back say say Woah. I was they've store. Espn hanging the dark NBA. The hard on guineas uneven. Things can always get this little words stall taught no matter. it Woah. Wow Michael McDermott. Just sounds so wonderful. Thank you so much for doing this no matter what is the name of? That's another one from the album. The album it's called. What in the world. It'll be released June fifth. It's coming out and so you have There's GonNa be a listening party. Tell what what's plan? I mean it's hard to do anything right now. We're we're all stuck in quarantine right. I know it is. It's weird. I'm getting kind of getting used to it. But do is show and and online in your room and you play and you finish and no one applauds which is good. Because I had many years of that happening in public so I'm used or not not hearing that applause Pavlovian applause that you know you. Entertainer needs but I'm doing these shows on stage. It and I'm going to do show on June fifth at night and then the night of June fifth and then June six. We're GONNA do a European friendly show and do it at three in the afternoon. Nice Obviously touring plans are on. Hold right now until we know what's going to happen. Yes get more shows are canceled and supposed to be in Europe right when this thing hit and so you know. I was tempted to go My wife was adamant that I not she was right. She's been one hundred percent right about all this and I would have been stuck over there. Yeah so It was good. I didn't go but yene in. They're talking about ocober back in Norway. I just don't know it's so hard to say if even happens so I think twenty twenty one's a good bet but because you know they're talking about a second wave and all that it's it is frightening But I'm glad you're doing the stage of thing you know. I some of my friends at Jill. So buell I know has been doing a bunch of shows on stage it. Dan Navarro has been doing a nightly thing songs. What does he called songs from the quarantine zone or something like that and a lot of people are I? Guess trying to just keep the creative juices flowing doing online things. Are you doing any sort of online jams or anything? No I'm not doing that in I saw WanNa dance shows and it was great and But I just do once a week and I think that's about as much as I could stand of myself you know and so yes not doing anything beyond that but I I. My routine really hasn't switched that much since the pandemic it's A. It's kind of Nice late. You know. It's a quiet existence I live and besides being on the road and I don't Miss Sixteen flights in nineteen nineteen days So that's been you know a leaf in some ways you know and But you know the people that are vulnerable. I just can't imagine how bad it is out there for them and and I don't want to make light of things aren't so bad for me but But you know it's an obviously my my my wellbeing of secondary importance right now. Well I mean for all of us where we're having to confront thoughts that maybe we didn't have to before. Look I turn sixty in November. I never thought I'd be sixty right but I also I survived lung cancer about three and a half years ago. So I'm down along but most of my left long has other than that. I'm fine but my husband and my daughter. Don't let me leave out. I've really except to walk my dog. I haven't left this house in probably eight weeks. So it's a weird feeling and but but on the but on the other hand the world has gotten a lot smaller. You mentioned going to Norway. Well I've been doing a segment on my show. And then I call quarantine calling and I've been connecting with people over the world. I spoke to somebody in Finland. Someone I think in Norway. Somebody in Germany Australia New Zealand. Italy just connecting with people all the world who are in the same predicament. We are there quarantining at home trying to stay safe from this virus and it's a very it is a it's something that just brings the world a little smaller doesn't it's even the playing field on a lot of ways there. Isn't that disparity that you we all feel that that low inaudible of equality? You know it's kind of changed that a little bit and the quiet less planes fly live by midway airport now so it's very quiet and I think it would be a shame. I think it'd be a tragedy to just go back and like nothing changed right. It's crazy like you know so it just doing whatever you can. I'm trying a lot of different things now myself. And you know You know some are crazy and holistic and and Seem half mad and that's okay and but you know taking masterclasses online. You can't trying to like like when I go back out. I hope I'm a different. I hope better person just just heavier and Lazier and more often know some different. Some of us will be and when you see the people fighting against the the prescriptions to wear masks. It's like what is wrong with these people. Just you know they. They need to chill out. They need I don't yeah. That's just mind boggling. Did you see the thing that somebody wrote about Bill Gates? I know you know I have it on my phone time. Or WE'RE GONNA. We're we're and this is just amazing. I said so. It says Imagine Being Bill Gates. Right now you spend thirty years of your life and fifty billion dollars of your own dollars. Supporting humanitarian causes you directly save hundreds of thousands of lives in Southeast Asia by providing anti-malaria netting for half the continent you drop infant mortality rates throughout the entire developing world by funding vaccine programs including vaccinating forty million children for polio and among the Plethora of philanthropic endeavors you fund free Educational Platforms Konica Academy so people can have free access to high quality education. Then after donating half of your wealth to charity and pledging ninety percent of the remainder to charity and your will arguably doing more to better life on earth for humanity than any other human being alive. Then you hop on the Internet only to find a million scientifically illiterate fucking missiles that are using the computers that you've pretty much invented in the first place to call a child call you a child murdering Art arch-villain Anti Christ because you watched. They watched a youtube video. Made by some other comprehension of a fucking potato that about sums. It up is just. Yeah well that. Yeah the crazies are out that plan democ video. I have not watched it but I know enough to stay away from it anywhere. Yeah Yeah it's also like a diet you've got you have to be careful of what you ingest like. It's not good. It's toxic those things like even like they're harmless. You're not going to believe him. Whenever watching you gotta stay away from that stuff. There's so much to choose from out there so you know. Choose the quality stuff with that. Michael McDermott would you do one more song? Oh Jeez okay. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I heard that at home so this is not a happy one. Okay old man at the county. He couldn't see no one seemed to make move off any notes. She then last night at the bus now closed chicken at a simple God bless now in the final month room was painted blue and name. It know what else to in fifty years of marriage. He made it chill. July back is she began curb. The social use were were oil C. Seen than GONNA Work Sir Ages. Got Off the phone. Mr Kathy want Roy getting her each is back on this little Greek. Your Michael McDermott. Oh that was beautiful and and watching the the chat room during that we had a couple of people say this is wonderful. It's making me cry so Crying is good sometimes and it's very necessary and and I've always said the the mark of a truly great song is one that that that prom suit a visceral reaction physical reaction There are some songs doesn't matter how many times I've heard him over the years. I get goosebumps or they make me cry and those are the songs. I think that lasts forever. That's not from the new album. Is it or was it was the last one. Yeah Yeah so Michael. Mcdermott is his name. The website is Michael. Dash Mc Dermott. I will put links on my blog. Nicole Sandler DOT COM. I'll also post the video of the new song the title track from the forthcoming album. What in the world. That is out on June fifth. I'm sure it's available now for preorder Congratulations that song is Great. And and Look I'm no longer doing music radio but to me. That's why because there aren't the stations my stations in La went off the air. And frankly it was you know fifteen years ago. I started doing talk radio. Yeah you're doing great and really keep keep fighting the good. Oh thank you. We'll someone's got to do it right. And and and but but you know I love having you on here and you know I i WanNa bring back some of the music stuff. So maybe this is a good impetus to start with music Monday so I'd be honored to come back anytime. I would love that. Michael McDermott again. Check out the new album June fifth. It's in stores. You can find it. I guess all the usual places the spotify the Amazons and the itunes and all that stuff apple music artists now called Michael. Thank you so much. It was great talking to you and we'll stay in touch. Okay you take care thanks. Bye-bye all right What a treat. That was How about What a way to start the week tomorrow. we'll continue the week. It's tomorrow's Tuesday gotTA laugh. We'll be here you know it's back to business as usual but I think we need to do Music Mondays. All right. I'll start working on it. Okay I guess I need to To to start playing my exit music you know just I I should mention for those of you who ask and many have the music that I play as a theme with sort of the title music before the show begins and at the end I is is well. I don't know the name of it. 'cause I don't know that it was ever a fully fleshed out song but this beautiful piece is is a product of lily. Hayden a Y. D. N. Lily Hayden. She's a magnificent violinist in addition to other Brilliant ses and young. Go if you're on spotify or apple music whatever look for Lily. Hayden H. A. Y. D. N. You love her music as well. We need to bring back the music stuff all right on a new mission We'll we'll get there all right So this week as well tell you we've got laffy tomorrow Eliana. Stahl joins us on Wednesday Howie Klein will be here on Thursday and Governor Don Siegelman. We'll be back on Friday. No Don siegelman book coming out talking about his time. As a political prisoner he was The subject of a vendetta by Karl Rove when when Governor Siegelman was governor of Alabama And he spent a number of years in a federal prison because he was the subject of a political prosecution. It's ugly and his story is coming out in a book. The book doesn't come out until the middle of June. What we're going to talk about this. Friday is Don siegelman advice to the Democrats on how to win the election in November. So got a busy week planned and of course whatever. The news brings us so thank you as always for listening. Thanks for stopping by on a Monday and starting in new Hopefully a new weekly feature. We'll see gotTA start reaching out to my old music industry connections and see what grade artists we can bring on all right. I'll work on it. I'll see you tomorrow. Thanks for listening everyone by.

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"Oh the following program contains graphic material including offensive language discretion advised the Nicole Sandler Joe Thorny daily and that could be very reason why. Youtube is upset. Hey Do the music venue here beneath my boys is from broadcast. Sound Library that I paid for an Hamlin receipts so that your copy right violation right here and now. Here's Nicole Friday. Oh so happy it's Friday Welcome to it. I'm Nicole Sandler coming to live at Nicole Sandler Dot com and on Youtube and on facebook live. I believe in I think. Even on periscope Hopefully some of the GREMLINS are gone. The gremlins that have been Messing with us all week. There's still some issues. I think I think this new mixing board that I got has a short in it somewhere. I you know I just. I think I did something in a previous life where I pissed off the tech gods or something and so in this life. They're out to get me the only thing I can think of because yeah jus- just things are not not not good not as they should be. Anyway we're here we're on live. I see that I'm checking in high facebook. Let's let's look at Youtube. Youtube looks to be okay The old Nicole Sandler show chat room Looks Alright so it's Friday? And it's Monday Memorial Day and a lot of people are understandably taking time off. But here's my thought it's not like go to the beach. It's not like I can go out shopping or to a barbecue with a bunch of friends or anything. I'M GONNA be here and as long as I'm going to be home. We may as well do a show right. Hey Kid let's punish. Oh so we're here today. Business as usual I heard Thom Hartmann was on a rerun and I know he's GonNa be off Monday. I know Brad. Friedman is unfortunately off today in Monday. tune in his staticky. I'm sorry this is. I think that has to do with the short from this mixing board. I don't know what the issue is. But listen to the audio on On Youtube it's the best I can tell you. I know you to be sounding okay. And I'm trying to get to the bottom of it with the manufacturer of the Board F. It's not one thing it's another. It's always something you know so anyway Brad asked me to fill in for them for he desi today but I want to get these technical issues figured out so yeah we will not. I will not be filling in for them today. But in addition to being here today I will I'm going to be here on Monday. You know I don't always do Monday shows but last Monday. We had so much fun. Doing a A music Monday program that we're going to do another one this coming Monday. Yes it's Memorial Day but since I guess we can all have sort of a virtual a virtual Memorial Day party and I'm going to be joined for the musical portion of it by Dan Navarro. Now you may not know his name but you should actually know at least one of his songs because Dan Navarro in Well he used to be teamed up with Eric Lowen and they wrote songs and recorded and toured under the name Lowen and Navarro and they wrote a song back in. God I want to stay the seventies or eighties called we belong. That was a huge hit for Pat. Benetton I happen to prefer the low in Navarro version. Better and now Well I'll request it from Dan on Monday. So we'll get the the Dan Navarro version. Unfortunately Eric Low and died from. Ls Some years ago so Dan has been doing the solo thing so he's going to join us on Monday. He's an old old dear friend of mine. Who's made amazing music for decades? And he's been doing What is it songs from the songs from the Corona Zone? I think he's calling it And doing it like six nights a week streaming live so you can find him on facebook. If you're so adventurous or just come on Monday and join us for a Special Memorial Day musical Monday. Show all right. I have no idea if this is gonna work or not yesterday. I wanted to play this video for you when I couldn't get it working and but. I think today I have it do I have it. You know what I can play it from here. We'll see if this works all right so Yesterday I threatened to play a a led Zeppelin parody song for you and again. I couldn't I couldn't get it working. 'cause the Gremlins were were messing with me. But today I think I think we've got it so Fingers crossed and let's see there's a band. The band is called the solution. And the solution did discover of a led Zeppelin tune while a parody of a led Zeppelin tune And Well let's let's listen to it and maybe laugh because that's the goal here right right all right. Take it away. The solution Shoot shown the band is called the solution and they do covers and boy. They rocked out so there. You have it rocking out and I see some people in the chat room or like well not really my kind of music. It's lots upland. That's rock and roll now. I do have another song that I found last night that I think I'm going to wait until Monday to play. And it's the other end of the spectrum from this one you know. Look some of us are old. I'm an old rock roller. So yeah that's my kind of music. Some of my kind of music. I like folk music too but yeah was great. Led Zeppelin cover. I do have another. Should I play it or should? I'm going to wait because there's something else I have to play for you that is just astounding so before this morning. Joe Biden did an interview with Charlemagne the God now Charlemagne. The God is a New York radio personality and they are mega popular. This show is usually at the top of the New York City ratings. And you know look I worked in New York City morning radio for a few years and thankfully my show was on the top of the ratings heap for awhile and you know look I get it. Charlemagne the God not my cup of tea. I'm obviously not in the demo. Was they say but you know? I became acquainted with his show during the presidential primary because it seemed like it was a a stop that every candidate mate and they had to bow to the defeat of Charlemagne. God spelled T. H. A. Now I know this is the old curmudgeonly white woman in me The Breakfast Club yes. That's the name of the program and I don't understand why this guy is. The arbiter of who black people should vote for then again getting into territory year. That probably shouldn't because I'm an old privileged white woman but something happened on the show. That really bothered me and for once. It wasn't anything that Charlemagne did because I've heard I heard his interviews with Kamala Harris With Elizabeth Warren. Those two are the ones that that come to mind. When I think of it and I was. I was offended by both of them by by Charlemagne's questions for both Camera Harris and Elizabeth Warren and I was I was livid that why is this guy who knows nothing? He's Kinda ignorant when it comes to politics. Why is he like the arbiter of WHO African Americans should vote for? But that said again. I'm not a fan not my thing. I'm not supposed to be a fan. I'm not in the demo. Six year old white woman and the show is is mostly for Young African Americans or people who like hip hop and rap. And that's certainly not me as you can tell from my musical choices but anyway what happened today is Joe Biden proved that he just is clueless. I mean clueless. Joe Is the perfect nickname for him. And I don't need the hate mail. Joe Biden Donald Trump. No question I will vote for Joe Biden to vote against Donald Trump. I would and I'll say it again. I will vote for my dog Jackson over. Donald Trump. Anybody would be better but really Joe Biden's so they get through the whole interview. The interview only runs a little over. I listened to the whole thing at the sixteen minute mark when when Biden's person already told him. No you need to. We need to go. We need to You Know Jill has an interview coming up. We need the studio space in their basement. When when this happened let me just play it rather than paraphrase what happened so we're sixteen minutes and seventeen seconds into an eighteen minute and nineteen second interview and this is what happened. I would ask you but you running me I don't know if you saw. Wah sorted data that news report. Growth that Ambi Club which was being vetted in a lot of people on Social Media. They are not too happy about that and It's because they want your running mate to be a black woman. I don't know if you saw OP ED in the Washington Post. By some of the leading black women voices in this country and they feel Viper minutes. Such loyal vote in black and black people save geopolitical life in the primaries this year. They have things they want from you. And one of them is a black woman running mate. What what are you stayed in what I say to them is that I'm not acknowledging anybody who is being considered but I guarantee there are multiple black women being considered okay multiple okay. We don't get much. That's really our time. I Apologize Violence. A white median blocked me because my wife has to go on at six o'clock. Okay okay. I'm in trouble. Listen you gotta come see us when you come to New York. Bp Biden will. It's a long way until November. We got more questions. You got more questions that talent if you have a problem figuring out whether you're mayor trump and you ain't black trump. It has to do with the fact I watch something for my community. I would love to see my record man. I extended the Rex twenty-five okay. I got a posit. Their first of all that wasn't even a question and Joe Biden. Just comes out of nowhere with if you can't figure out between me and trump then you're not black now charlemagne the God just jumped on the. This has nothing to do with trump issue without dealing with the meter that Joe Biden just laid on him. Let's did I. I don't know if I backed it up far enough. Let's try this here. We go knowledge. Anybody consider but I guarantee you. There are multiple black women being console. K Now yes. We don't get much. That's really our time I apologize. You can't do that to black media okay first of all. You can't do that to Black Media. I you know sorry. Why are you sit black media or white media it's media and if they were given a time slot and saying you have him for fifteen minutes from six to six fifteen? That's one thing and the time was up. You don't wait till the very end to ask about his running mate he should have done that earlier. That aside though I see I have a problem with this black white thing. Don't we all but my problem is the demand and Charlemagne said it in this interview? We want a black woman to be the vice president so there hasn't been a woman in the executive branch in in either president or the white president's office or white president the vice president's office. Wow but we did have a black man as president for eight years. So that's good. How about we just go for a woman. I don't care if she's black white purple or green. How about a woman on the ticket? She's gotTa be black. See I I hate identity politics even saying we've got to have a woman but it's time So but anyway. So they're going through this. And then Joe Biden out of the blue out of nowhere comes out with this bit of brilliance to white median. Block me because my wife has to go on at six o'clock coming okay. Oh I'm in trouble. Listen you gotta come see us when you come to New York. Be Biden's there's a long way until November. We got more questions. You've got more questions about telling if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for mayor trump and you ain't black it don't have nothing to do with trump and if you have a problem figuring out between me or trump then you ain't black. What kind of Shit is that? We're does that come from what an idiot attic totally stupid thing for anyone to say let alone a man who's running for president who he goes on to talk about all the great things he's done for black people here at to do with the fact. I want something for my community. I would love to see my record man twenty. You didn't extend the voting rights. Act This any did. You can't take credit for that. I've years I have a record. That is second. The non endorsed me every time. I've run the were. I mean. Come on back. Take a look at the record. Come on thank you so much really thanks. We'll come back and that's the eight again cutting off the interview so I wanNA know. What do you think about this again? I'm a white woman. Maybe it's not my place to even comment on it. I'm I'm I'm offended. I'm offended on all fronts. I'm offended by the people who say it's got to be a black woman and I'm offended by Joe Biden saying if you can't figure out between me or Donald Trump then you're not black. What the Hell is he talking about? It's all just so wrong. Every bit of it is wrong so that happened and for once you know I am not going after trump but I I should because Oh my God. His idiocy was on full display. Shall we get to the news? We have? We have a guest coming up today by the way governor. Don siegelman will be here now. He was on with US last month and we had a great conversation. And you know I'm I am so in awe of that man who was targeted by the the the Bush administration by Karl Rove and his head and Bush's henchmen and he was prosecuted on trumped up bribery charges. He didn't bribe anyone And prosecuted and spent a few years in a federal prison. He was a political prisoner. He was the only Progressive Democrat governor that that Alabama ever had and he's and he was persecuted by the trump administration and was our most notable political prisoner. The thing I don't understand about Don siegelman situation is why Barack Obama never pardoned him. And that's a question we'll get into. I'm in the middle of his book. Now so don. Siegelman has been writing. This book called stealing our democracy and it's his story and Oh my God I'm just in. I'm up through the early years of his career and being a progressive in Alabama who is a Catholic with the name siegelman which is a very Jewish sounding name obviously had an interesting upbringing and he worked his way through politics. He held every office in the Alabama state executive branch and and worked his way up to be governor a Progressive Democrat governor of Alabama and When he was running for reelection basically Karl Rove came after him and the rest is history. And it's all in this book which is available now for preorder. It comes out June seventeenth. I believe he'll be on that week when we'll go in depth into the story and so we're waiting until the book is ready to be released to have him on for the for the longer show But he but He's GonNa come on today because well because He sent me a note and he's like you know. I run a lot run in and run a lot of elections and I know how to win and I know how the Democrats can win so I said well then come on back on and let's do let's let's do a a segment on that. So Don Siegelman of course. Because I'm reading the book. I have some questions about his story. But we're going to save the bulk of that for next month when the book is coming out today. We're GonNa talk about what he thinks. The Democrats need to do to win and we all know. We are in the midst of a just a a insane election season. We're in the midst of just the most insane year that any of us ever lived through so yeah so don. Siegelman is coming up in about. Oh about fifteen minutes. So let's get to some news shall we before it's time to get to Don Siegelman? Okay Bill Go Away Riding. Thank you bill. Thank God he does this to me every time. All right so bill is gone breaking news since I've recorded what's news this morning. A study of ninety six thousand hospitalized corona virus patients on six continents found those who received hydroxy chloroquine had a significantly higher risk of death as compared to those who did not the paper obtained early by the Washington Post and publish just this morning. In The Lancet Medical Journal founded people treated with hydroxy chloroquine or the closely related drug chloroquine. Were also more likely to develop a type of irregular heart rhythm or Arrhythmia that can lead to sudden cardiac death. Keep taking those pills Donald. Just keep taking them. Go against your own. Fda Go against your own Centers for disease control go your own medical experts and say what what we going to lose your life and we'd all win so keep taking those drugs. I know your two week. Regimen is up tomorrow allegedly keep taking them Donald. It'll make you feel better. God that aside there is some good news today. From the Centers for Disease Control. They revised their guidance on how the viruses spread clarifying that quote. The virus spreads easily between people and they stress. That it's the droplets as I'm speaking. Obviously I'm spewing stuff out of my mouth now. It's their small droplets so they're not really visible but I've seen some of the infrared photography and the things that come out of our mouths even when we're just talking is kind of gross And that's why they're saying you need to be six feet apart so it spreads very easily between people. That's why they're saying everyone should wear a mask by the way. My Mask doesn't protect me from your particles what my mask does. Is it protects you from my particles so when you don't wear a mask when you don't wear a Basque you're being really really selfish really selfish all right. I don't know who's this is calling. Hi Who's this woman of knelt up on the show and the Netflix? It's Nicole and I'll I'll call you. I will call you on skype and so you can just pick it up when I call you're going to it will show up on my computer. Uh-huh okay all right. Well I'll talk to you about in about five minutes. Okay bye so sweet. All right so yeah. We'll call Don Siegelman back in a few minutes anyway. So what are we saying the CDC is now saying that touching contaminated objects or surfaces does not appear to be a significant mode of transmission. The same is true for exposure to infected animals. One step up two steps back then. The other thing that trump just said today is that he is opening the churches. I hear a sorry I I know I to assault your ears by bringing up. You know audio of his voice. But it's so bear with me. He came out today. There was allegedly a briefing. And he's he made one short statement. I won't even play the whole thing for you but to give you the gist of it. Here's what he said today. I'm identifying houses of Worship Churches Synagogue Mosques word of mouth as essential places that provide essential services some governors have deemed liquor stores and abortion clinics is essential but left out churches and other houses of worship snout right so. I'm correcting this injustice. And calling houses of worship essential all right asshole and he he he basically said and. I'm calling on all the governors to open those houses of worship because they're essential services and if they don't do it. I'll override the governor's he can't this man has no clue of what his powers are. He can't so he said this. He talked for about two minutes. Then somebody One of the reporters as he was leaving shouted out. Are you going to church? And of course. He didn't answer that because he doesn't go to church. He goes to church as often as I go to temple. Which is never so he did that. Because hey you know. Cases are exploding all over the country especially now that they're starting to loosen the stay at home regulations and more and more people are going to get sick and you know what Donald Trump said if a second wave hits. This is what he said. People say that's very distinct possibility standard and we'll to put out the fires. We're not going to close the country put out the fires would be whether it's ember or aflame would have put it out but we're not closing our but we're not closing our country so scientists tell us that historically in a pandemic like this all we need to do is look back a hundred years to the Spanish flu of nineteen eighteen or is trump calls it nineteen seventeen. Nc The second wave was much deadlier than the original one but trump's we're not doing you see because Donald Trump thinks that the economy is more important than your life. Just in case you're wondering the economy as more important than your life What else let me see if there's anything else? I need to Yes second-wave won't shut down Real quickly other stuff Georgia authorities yesterday arrested the guy who shot the video of those the father and son killing Ahmad Barberie. Did you see this and I said it? I said it weeks ago. Why did this guy shoot the video? Why was he following them? There's something not right there so this guy. His name is William Brian. He was charged with felony murder and criminal attempt to commit false imprisonment. Good so that happened and if you're wondering about the polymerization of our government the Senate. Yesterday narrowly confirmed Congressman John Ratcliffe of Texas as the new Director National Intelligence. The vote was forty nine. Forty four fell along party lines but this was like the biggest do over ever because ratcliffe withdrew. He had been nominated before by trump for four director of national intelligence but he came up against bipartisan. Opposition because of his lack of counterterrorism experience has exaggerated immigration enforcement record and his blatant support for right wing conspiracy theories but donald trump wanted him and he lobbied the Republicans in the Senate to do his bidding and they did so in his second run at the job every single republican united behind his nomination. This should make you very afraid. He's the new director of National Intelligence. We are so screwed. We are so screwed And and real quickly before we get Don Siegelman on the line. Let's let's see Hopefully this will work. I'm going to try to get him up here now while I tell you things are really bad in Hong Kong as the former British colony. You know we're pro. Democracy protests erupted last year Well China's said yesterday it was preparing to impose a new national security law. It's expected to ban sedition succession and subversion of the Central Government in Beijing and will be introduced in a way that effectively bypasses Hong Kong's legislature For some reason that's not connecting. All right I'M GONNA try. I'm going to try it from this computer Yes we're trying to get DON siegelman. Oh I can't do it from that computer because I don't have a camera on that one. I'M GONNA try him one more time and see if this works we're we're trying again So in the meantime yeah the critics say that this is essentially the end of the One Country Two Systems concept that has kept Hong Kong politically autonomous from mainland China. This is horrible and this is all playing out as you know. Under a against a backdrop of international tensions brought on by the coronavirus crisis including recent promises from Donald Trump to punish China China for its role in the pandemic. So yeah okay. So this is weird. It's not connecting for some reason. No answer In a moment I'm just GonNa call him on the phone so anyway. So that all happened. It's just you know we're we're living opposite world and it's just screwed up all right. Let me try Don Siegelman one more time this way. And if this doesn't work I'm just going to I'm just GONNA call him on the telephone on the regular phone. Okay that's weird. I don't know what happened there. All right we're just GONNA do an audio call with Don Siegelman. Because you know we're losing valuable time here so let's see. Let's see if this works. I don't know if it will or not. This one's not my fault for one. I'm I'm doing okay but let me tell you a little bit about Don Siegelman while we wait for him to pick up and hopefully he will join US shortly. Don Siegelman was the governor of Alabama progressive. What I think I'm just GONNA have to call his regular phone number. This is just this is not right. Let me try. We'll do it this way. Fourth time is the charm as they say all right. Hopefully this'll work So Don Siegelman was high. Tried skyping you. But it didn't work so we could just do it over the phone okay. So we're live on the air and I was just explaining to the listeners. You're on with me last month. We talked a little bit about the book that you have coming out next month and we are going to reconvene next month on on the eve of the book. Release date to really go into your story. But I'm reading the Book and Oh my God I mean so much that I didn't even know about you and I can't wait to go in depth with you and to your story because what happened to. You is a travesty But the reason we're talking today is you said to me. After we spoke last time you know I know how the Democrats can win because you have run in a number of elections in your lifetime. Haven't you I have I hope you can hear me. I hear you loud. Terrible terrible thunderstorm. I hear you loud and clear. No worries okay. Good because it's a little fuzzy Mayan but Yes I think. I was on the ballot. Seventeen Times in Alabama and I want you listeners to keep this I was elected to the national board of Americans for Democratic Action. In nineteen seventy one as a law student along with Barney. Frank and Tennis Gallison Noted LEFT-WINGERS I was. I was active in the Anti War. Movement I board Mississippi for the first african-american new brand for for governor met. Your ever says brother calls every of anyway Worked OUR LOWEST SAYING CONGRESSMAN FROM NEW YORK? Worked IN THE DUMP Johnson Movement. Virtually Robert Kennedy the Got A campaign contribution from my friend Jane Fonda when I was running for attorney general but anyway the long the longest short of it is I should. I should never really been elected. Anything in Alabama considering Alabama's you know probably one of the most far rights sates but my point. Is that if you connect with voters. They will overlook some things right and in my in my case. They overlooked a lot of things because I was speaking to their interests. And my my admonition than word to those Joe Biden and any Democrat. Who's running for office in? Twenty twenty is forget about Donald Trump. Yup Everybody Donald. Everybody knows that what he's doing. Everybody knows he is stacking the government and just recently the National Security Chief is GonNa be wanted his clones. But you know every every. He's you know firing all of the Inspector General's he's he's taking total control. Everybody knows what he's doing So what we need to speak to the interest of working families working families do not go to bed at night. Worrying about trump. They're worried about Nicola worried about their children and their parents are worrying about paying their bills. They want their kids to have a better life than they've had so they know that starts with education. That's why we need. Our President are nominated to start speaking about Universal Early Learning Opportunities Free College Education. Retiring the student debt he needs to. Do you know to to talk what is important to the children of of of working families. He also these two to talk about their parents and grandparents. Working families want their parents to have a decent place to live food on the table. And not worry about the cost prescription drugs. You know we. We live in the richest country in the world. No one no one should go to bed hungry homeless or without healthcare not the not the mentally disabled or physically disabled challenge and not those people behind bars. So how do you know we as Democrats we also want? We want our kids to have the opportunity to have more and better jobs are minimum wage. We want a new uses for renewable energy to to begin to to to combat the climate crisis that we're facing And the president person running for President or person running for the State House needs to talk about these issues rang. I think you know you. You've talked on your program and and and other friends of mine like Thom Hartmann up north of you spoken about. Yeah we need. We need a president whom we can respect. Who's civil who has coo- respects the rights of women and understand history and and understands the importance of a free press to our democracy right and even even Republican women in suburbs throughout this country. Don't want their kids to listen to to a president who uses foul language to abuses women who doesn't respect women and so we have that common ground. So let's let's let's begin to to speak to that and I think most people most working families also want a president and more people in public office who are for equal rights Who Want Social Justice? Racial Justice Environmental Justice and in many cases want criminal justice reform. Right there yes or go ahead. I'm no I was going to ask you. I mean I'm hearing all the things you're saying and I agree one hundred percent this year. We face you know unique challenges because it's hard to get out there and campaign. Nobody can right now and so. Joe Biden is relegated to his basement when he's not very good at these televised. Or you know zoomed interviews. And in fact. I don't know if you heard what happened this morning with a New York radio personality. Charlemagne the God. Did you hear about this? No I have not well. Joe Biden was the guest. Charlemagne the God is the host of this radio. Show the club that is. It's one of the top rated shows in New York. It's a you know. And he made that the destination for every primary presidential candidate all the Democrats to come on and be vetted by Charlemagne the God I thought some of these questions of some of the the people were horrible as the primary season went on but putting that aside this morning he's talking to Joe Biden and they do like a eighteen minute interview and at the very end. I want to play for you. What Joe Biden said? Hopefully you'll be able to hear it through the the phone line because I found it astounding and I just don't understand where we're Biden's coming from so tell me if you can hear this. No you're not going to be able to hear it because you're on the same thing. Basically what he said is if you have to decide if you if you can't figure out between me and Donald Trump who you're voting for then you're not really black. He said this to a black. Yes Oh my dog yeah. Listen there's there's there's there's no there's no point in in in in in doing things like that again you don't win friends and you don't you. Don't build bridges to independence and and suburban Republican women. Which is what honestly. I think he is going to to win this rice. Yeah and you can't do that if you just if you remember the story about the tar baby you know and people always have the tendency to hit the target you get stuck in this morass of politics when that's not what that's not what working people are thinking about hurting. They weren't released. They want somebody who's going to speak to their interests in somebody. They can depend on to fight for them in in in Congress in Washington and and you know Biden has the capability of doing that if he would just remind people of of where you came from and what he has been able to accomplish while he was in the Senate and also as vice president and working you know it might not be a bad idea for him to to to start trying to have meetings with some of the you know Republican he might be able to sway these issues that impact the lives of of working families now right but you know it. It is frustrating to me as well to watch because I you know. I hoped that he would use this time. This last few months through really relate to working families through both virtual You know town halls rallies of but but also maybe even you know travel could of hit the fifty states and in the last two months without any problems. He's still made his phone calls to go. I mean right now. It's not it's not like people are Going out to events I mean if he could have gone to any state in the last month and nobody would always see him. I was I was thinking he could he could he could do that. And and just if nothing else you know have a news conference. In in the hangar with the media separated drank anything anything to get him on the air talking about the problems that says working families in America. And it's real simple and you just you gotta do it and it takes a lot of hard work a lot of hand shaking and and endless speechmaking but you know You talk about the wrong subject. He's so good. It opening his mouth and inserting his foot and there was it was the very end of the interview. If there were uncomfortable moments as there usually are with Joe Biden. I'm sorry he's not the most eloquent speaker but then again neither is his opponent. I'm and but he was. He had made it through it and then at the very end he says something so reprehensibly stupid then I just don't I just don't understand what he's thinking. It drives me nuts because right now everything is at stake here Don. We're you know this I mean and this is you. Were pinning our hopes on so. I'm pinning my hopes on his vice presidential pick. I had somebody emailed me the other day. Who said so. I figured it out. There's no way in hell that I can vote for Joe Biden but I will vote for whoever the vice presidential pick is right and so that that can make you feel good about feeling that bubble on the on the on the ballot but that depends who it is so we heard yesterday. He Klobuchar a floated. That she's being vetted You know that came from her camp we hear. We hear Kamla Harasses Stacey. Abrams is openly lobbying for the job. This is weird because in past years. It's always been you know everyone denying that there in the running or that they want it now. They're all lobbying for what? Who Do you think he should pick for the vice president and we think as Charlemagne the God said something? That bothered me that it has to be a black woman. I want I don't think it has to be an African American woman and an a you know. Joe Has committed himself to a woman yet. So that's that's a good thing I think They nice to have a a strong woman. but what the American people are going to be looking for In his choice is someone who can step in to be the leader of the most powerful country in the world or what could be again. Yeah so what but a wrong. Pick of somebody like the Dan. Quayle or someone who is obviously not qualified to shoes of being commander and cheese or You know then then worked to his disadvantage. Yes he's got he's got he needs. He needs some help inventing You know the right candidate I I don't I don't I. I don't know who it should be. I've got my own thoughts If I were in that situation I think I know what I would do. But and You know he's got to. He's got to you know Choose Carefully Fleet Bosley Yup also also got to be somebody that can speak to the issues that I just spoke of and of course Elizabeth. Warren was a great spokeswoman for at least from my point of view and so anyway yeah I would I would you know. He's got to make the right choice. And it's gotta be somebody who is qualified to be president and but it's also got to be somebody that's going to be tough enough to take on tax reform and creating test all entered deal with to deal with the aftermath of the biggest not only financial crisis of our lifetimes but the biggest health crisis of our lifetimes. We need somebody. Who's really good and you know. I'm seeing in the chat room. Somebody trip who I really respect said. It has to be val demings or Comma Harris well because trip thinks it needs to be an African American woman. I don't Comma Harris. I'm sorry I don't think is should be president for a number of reasons. Not Having to do with her experience Val Jennings is not experienced enough. She's not ready to be president and with Joe Biden's advanced age. I'm sorry that is that has got to be ration- because I have a feeling whoever the running mate is is GonNa wind up being president. Just me it's just a feeling I have but those are things we need to think of and Val demings may be perfectly nice woman a decent congresswoman if you like her former cop but it doesn't mean she's ready to be president. Same Thing Stacey. Abrams Very Smart. But the highest office she's ever held. Is I think state legislator I think she was head of the Georgia Assembly but again. That doesn't make you ready to be president. Look what happened? The last time we elected somebody who was not ready to be president. We're in the mess. We're in now so you know. I Like Elizabeth. Warren and I hate the fact that you know people that I like and respect are saying. Oh No it's got to be a woman of color. Well really well. No let me let me say this. John Lewis endorsed my book I have I have worked. I had this I had this Bishop actually I think he's out there now in California. It's a t t t Larry Kirkland of Alien Meson Church and I was in with him. That meeting of all of this His pictures from around the southeast and and he he was looking at me and the audience in the pointed me out and he said you see this man you see how he moves to the songs and he. He has beaten a rather be said. I think he's got some black blood in Him and he said I think Johnson was going to be the closest thing we ever get to two black Governor in the state of Alabama. You don't not point is you. Don't have to be to the black to understand the problems and worked with people you know one of the reasons why I wrote. This book is to protect the people who are most vulnerable. I was in prison with African American young men who had no business being there. They were ripped away from their children and their family for piddly amounts of marijuana or cocaine sense. And we've got to protect those folks and you can speak to the issues that impact the lives of black and white Americans and win them over. But you know you don't have to have a the color of your skin is not something that that matters. Would you really reached down and speak to people and touch their hearts? So No it's about your director. It's about what you believe. In Don Siegelman I gotTa tell you again. The book stealing our democracy will be out in June sixteenth or seventeenth. is the date And Sixteenth and you'll be back on with me actually on the fifteenth on the eve of its the publication where. We're really going to go in depth but I gotta tell you one of the one of first stories in the book that grabbed me was as a young man you grew up in Alabama. I loved your name is Siegelman and people thought you were Jewish because it is kind of a Jewish name and you're not. That's something that you had to deal with an Alabama grandfather like but then you tell the story of when you are a schoolboy and you came home one day and you used what we now refer to as the N. Word and your father gave you a lesson. Can you tell that story because it just it it this is? This is what it's about not the color of your skin but you know sorry to steal a line from Dr King but your character. Yeah well so I used the word around my mother and my mother told my done by the time I got home from school. My Dad was there in which was highly unusual because he was a workaholic and I picked up his straits but so you know Murli and he said yes on he said. I heard you use a bad word. Today didn't Kinda no. I guess I knew what he was talking about this year. This and he was like nineteen fifty. Something Yeah Early Fifties Fifties six White Oak Brown versus board of Education. By when we started you know having to Move around to accommodate You know well. They were still trying to segregate schools. Anyway so I use the N Word Dead said I want you to go get the dictionary so went into our little bedroom and and we didn't have much of a selection of books but one Zane grey or a novel and and a group of Encyclopedia's my mother had bought from S S and h green stash nursery. So I got. I brought the dictionary and put it on the kitchen table. He said now wants you to find that word. Not You know fumbled around and looked and I said that I can't find any so let me give you a hint. It's not in their try. This Word Negro. And so he didn't say that knows starts he just politely suspended and I looked it up. And he's now read me the definition that I did and he said that's the only word we're going to use I wonder if you're you said other word again. And then he he asked me as if I wanted to work with One of his piano deliveryman life is the only guy believe it and that Saturday and he was. He wanted to be acid. Sure and so I was. The gentleman came by African American. Strong young man. Pick pick me up at the door and the truck with a piano in the back and we went out to A. I went out to watch him deliver This piano singlehandedly up there was an upright piano upper some steps and anyway it was the lesson. My Dad was trying to teach me You know it was something that you know. Stay with may could rush my life As it and what? What a story. And that taught you a lesson and and you've as as a progressive white democratic governor in Alabama and. This was back a while You you you cared about the civil rights you cared about the rights of all people you you. You worked for some of the stories you tell in. The book are incredible and we'll save them for next time when you come on but this is I think so much more important than the color of WHO's ever scan. It's who the person is many ways. John Yeah I I. I had a great ton throughout my career. As Secretary of state expanding voting rights and and tearing down the barriers that prevented African Americans from voting and as attorney general settled one lawsuit That forced all the cities and counties to re district on the basis of one person. One vote which led to the election of literally thousands of African Americans in Alabama more elected black officials than any other state in the country. And you know I was able to to to make those kinds of changes and fight for Equal opportunities for education and one of the things that I think that attracted John. Lewis was the fact that Tonight cause was fact that I I've I believe in believed that every child in this country regardless of where they're boerner to him regardless of the color of their skin the economic status whether they're immigrants are our citizens every child should have the hope and dream of being able to Reach their God given potential through education. And that's why it comes back to providing universal pre K for every at the prom. Did he stay in school and stay out of trouble and make your grades? You can go on and get a higher education degree. You don't have to be a Rhode scholar but if you want you want to gain jobs seizing job skills three. Will you know we can pay for that? Of course it's GONNA take tax reform and Biden as Elizabeth Warren Young Need to talk about closing the gap when you have one percent but fifty percent of the wealth of one. I'm sorry one. Three families. Fifty percent of the wealth of one percent ninety two percent Large corporations and billionaires not paying any taxes when the working people are actually subsidizing. The rich. You know we've been taught in and this is the you know the image that some Republicans want to pay. Is that working families for taking care of the poor working families for taking care of people on Welfare or people who are jobless well it is the working families who are taking care of the rich Yup. And we've got we got to close those those loopholes. I took that on as governor to to to to make enough money to fulfil the commitment to education in Alabama close who had actually been Arthur Andersen wet when of the tank are hard. They've lost their are super auditors. To go after the corporations that they work they that was that they were You know cooking the books on so they wouldn't have to pay taxes. We're doing business. In Alabama we close corporate loopholes and broadened enough money to fund education. But you know what I wanNA hear. Out of our candidates the president on down to the state legislature is to get away from talking about how much we don't like Donald Trump and talk about what we're going to do for working families and I think if we do that we can. We can win a bunch of elections in twenty twenty. Well I hope I hope the Democratic Party will listen to you don siegelman again. The book stealing our democracy is out on June sixteenth. We will talk about it in depth on the fifteenth the day before Don Siegel do pre order the book. I'll put a link on the blog at Nicole Sandler DOT com. Where you can do that. Don Siegelman it's always great to talk with you. Thank you and reach out to some of the Democratic Party elders and make them listen to you a I will. I will make sure we don't have a thunderstorm. Love you and appreciate you. Thank you so much. Thank you don weekend and and I'll talk to you next month okay. Bye-bye the the wonderful Don Siegelman. He really he really is one of the really good guys. All right and the book is just great. All right. We're done. We're late so Monday. Be here Monday Memorial Day music Monday. We're going to have fun okay. All I'll see you then. Thanks for listening. Everyone stay safe.

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"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language. Your this question is advised. Nicole Sandler Questioning Authority. That could be very reason why. Youtube is upset. Hey you do the music. Venue here beneath my boys from broadcast sound library that I pay for seats. So that your toppy right violation right here and now. Here's Nicole all right Welcome to the show. I know I know we're on. I just need to get me the streaming going on the audio streams because I think We weren't working hopefully now The audio streams will be working. I don't know for sure. Let's say oh I think so. I think we're on Hopefully give it a second. It should come on Welcome to the show. It's a Thursday. I'm Nicole Sandler. This has been Just a sort of the week from Hell So and you know I I know it gets old. I'm so sorry to keep harping on the technical problems but I I am a one woman. Show here. I don't have an engineer that I could call to come over and fix things for me. So it's trial and error and I get one thing working and then something else kinda screws up but hopefully. Hopefully everything is working now. I'm keeping my fingers crossed And that's about all I can. Do you know what in. And that's not the right thing either Anyway hopefully this'll this'll work if not. We still do have audio on Youtube and I believe facebook live. Are we on FACEBOOK We'll find out in a second. I'm going to look facebook. Hello are you there? I don't know I don't know This is all above my pay grade. I think anyway here. We are It is a Thursday. We are in week. What nine ten of quarantine and things are getting crazier than ever? Donald Trump is is He I I don't even know how to put it nicely. There's something seriously wrong with him. And I know that's the understatement of the year I'm looking tell me you guys if the audio streams working is it now I give up on tuning only thing working as youtube. I'm so sorry you guys I I don't even I don't I don't know what to say. dammit no. I don't WanNa play the URL right. I don't want to do that. We want to one or doing the sound card. I don't know hopefully it's working I think I just need to tear everything apart and put it back together again. But that's how I got in this in this place in the first place. Anyway I also I wanted to play for you. This Led Zeppelin Song Parody. And again I had it working earlier and just in the last few minutes might the input. The remote input died so We'll have to. We'll have to plan B. and I think plan B. Today is Our FRIEND LAUREN. Mayer and hopefully. Hopefully this'll work keeping my fingers crossed. It's a song that you're familiar with. Hold on let me. Just make sure it's going to play. It should play All right I'll take it away. Lauren Mayer he was Herod and owned. The chip fillet sign on the door said closed today due to the pandemic we gotta shut down. Only thought I gotta get something to eat and Bola Ram is right down the street that they were closed to just like everything else in town so he called his buddy the governor and said can't we get back to the way things were Brian. Kemp said son now. Don't you the defy those scientists by by? So what if you folks have to die? It's the price of the freedom which we hold so do. That's the potholder to ball in Georgia. That's the pond next see read. They don't trust the folks. Well we employ the governor in south just skits roots got her so depressed organizer. Real big protest Rosa Parks at the frosted big hair crowd. They don't need no masks. Don't y'all NAK. Brave ones carry a confederate flag. A symbol of the phony heritage of which they're so proud further bride to a blowout in Georgia. Your status won't do ten latter help someone else cure for said your Hansel look pretty who said these restrictions we got an easy because the cure be worse than the disease economies were the Lewd Human. Sav is experts. Advise camp doesn't leave. Even trump said. He disagreed see changes his mind. Every minute sometimes even twice. That's the bad for the ride to attack to in Georgia. Scientific course the voters on on nuts. Norris ever business in for your states dotted on cam go to waffle house in Georgia. Tobin back to the gym and the all or everyone gets sick. Then you'LL BE ECONOMY. So where the State? Gets ON UNKEMPT? Yes let's get on Cam Lauren. Mayer Ah Yes Lauren. Mayer everyone from A. Lord Mayor's comedy find her on twitter on facebook on Youtube and all those places Lauren. Mayer does one or two great song parodies a week and she was actually doing them before the world jumped on the The the the Covid Song Parody Bandwagon. Hopefully tomorrow I'll get everything working right to play the led Zeppelin cover because it is fun. All right so there's a lot going on. It is Thursday. Howie Klein is going to be here on for the third week in a row. I promise you we are going to try to get through the list of progressive candidates. Well in this case that have been endorsed by the Blue America. Pac that's how he climbs dig bees and John Tomatoes group they find And try to convince to run great progressives who would make wonderful candidates and then they raise money for them. We talked about last talked about it last week with how. It's not your typical pack. How we and Digby and John Motto. Don't make any money off of this. It's all about raising money that goes directly to the candidates. Which is kind of unusual in today's political climate? Where it's every you know. Schyster out to line their own pocket books and that's one of the big problems with you. Know The D. Triple say in the way they work is that all the organizations that they What's the word that that they basically say are okay to work with? They will get a cut. And it's all about who can make money off of an ad by or a production order or it's mostly having to do with advertising. Well the Blue America PAC is different. They don't they. Don't take a cut. The money goes to the candidates and just a very small amount that Goes TO HELP RUN THE BLUE AMERICA PAC but none of them take a salary or anything all right but today we are going to go through the list we. I redid the calendar to find out when all the primaries were rescheduled for went through it with Howie He gave me a list of Some of the groups that or the candidates that they've endorsed and we'll go through today because again while our eyes off the prize we gotta get him back on and the prize is November third. It's election day in. It's not only the presidential election. That's at stake here. It's Congress and the Democrats need to hold onto the house and they need to take back the Senate and to do that. We need to make sure we participate in the primaries and again that's a problem right now because I'm Donald. Trump is railing against mail in ballots. So let's get to the news showy and And we'll get we'll get how a little and what the hell we'll we'll try to do it live. Okay that's weird. No my audio just completely went out seriously. I don't know what happened here. I'm going to have to try to play this from a different source. Let's see I have. It backed up. What would it help if I turned Which monitors that okay. This one girl. Okay we can do that. We can even have bill head in here. Doors Law Law. Okay well fucking thing. Dr. Yeah well thank you for that I wonder if I pushed the wrong button. Maybe I'm just trying to figure out why that pot went dead all right so let me tell you what's going on in the news. Every Thursday morning the Labor Department reports. The previous week's jobless claims last week another two point. Four million workers filed new claims for a total of thirty eight point. Six million workers who've now applied for unemployment assistance over the past nine weeks. And just for comparison sake the largest weekly number of unemployment claims before the pandemic it filed in one week with six hundred ninety five thousand. That was in October of Nineteen eighty-two in nine weeks we've had thirty eight point six million people a file for unemployment just saying now that total also doesn't include hundreds of thousands of self employed and GIG economy workers receiving unemployment benefits for the first time through a temporary corona virus related program and it also doesn't include probably hundreds of thousands more of us and I'll put myself in that category along with my daughter who in Florida can't even get through on the in the UNEMPL- to file and unemployment claim. The website doesn't work. And why do you think we call it flora duck? The website doesn't work and the The the Nothing works this website. The Florida unemployment portal as it were was allegedly rebuilt by the new governor Rhonda Racist I'm sorry to Santa's when he came into office and they spent something like a A ridiculous amount of money to. I'm sorry I'm I'm doing five things at once here. This is not not working. Well Anyway. They spent a ridiculous amount of money to have this website rebuilt and it still doesn't work and look. I remember how the world the world the whole country freaked out with the affordable care. Act The obamacare website when it first went live in how fucked up that was the Republicans have fucked up. Everything they've attempted and Florida is Ground Zero for the fucked up fucked up Adminis- I like to coin my own new terms anyway. A the omission of self employed workers means the actual number of workers seeking claims has been higher since the Federal Program called pandemic unemployment assistance included in stimulus package approved in March got underway. So that thirty six thirty eight point. Six million workers who are now You know the official unemployment rolls doesn't include the self employed and Gig economy workers who allegedly are eligible for unemployment. But it's just not happening right now. At least Sharon Florida. I don't understand in other devastating numbers. The World Health Organization yesterday reported one hundred six thousand new corona virus cases in the previous twenty four hours making it the most in a single day since the outbreak began so the most new recorded cases in a single day happened yesterday and The whole world is starting to open up again. I just I just don't understand it. Well it looks like Just so you know what's going on. We are having massive storms here in south Florida and it looks like my Internet is out again so Looks like are streaming? Went Down Youtube bear with me. Hopefully it'll come back I have no control over this stuff. Our Internet has been foo bar now for two days. And that's probably what's presenting a lot of these problems so it looks like Youtube is coming back all right. I'm just hoping our power stays on so a keep your fingers crossed because spit and chewing gum here okay. So streaming is back whether hold on. There's there are sixty sixty mile an hour winds forecast and giant hail. And we've got us a screened back. Porch Back Patio where the pool is and I was in the kitchen. Just looking out. The window as the rain was blowing sideways. And two of the the the screen panels blew out so You know I don't know if this is a good time to bring this up or not but it's It's a discussion the David and I had last night. And we both feel this way and you might feel this way too. It seems like the world is coming to an end. Doesn't it You know remember when Obama was in office and the Republicans were freaking out in saying that Obama's the Anti Christ now I again I don't know religion. I don't know Bill Bible Stories. I don't know the the the the urban legends that might give rise to an anti Christ. I don't know if that's an official religious tomer. Whatever but I have heard the theory of an anti Christ would come back who would be a It would be a a charismatic figure larger than life with an uncanny following right and people were saying that it's that it's It was Obama. But when you think about it it makes more sense. It's Donald Trump. He has every single quality that the anti Christ would possess and he's actively trying bring about the end of the world all right. Let me get back to the news we can. We can pick up that notion but it feels that way with the climate doing what it's doing with the planet being sick with this pandemic with everything else going on You know I am at the point where it's like just let it happen already. I mean if this is what our future is being stuck at home or having to every time we go out having to wear a mask being afraid of infecting people are getting infected. Because you're around people that's no existence. It's just kind of it's kind of frightening anyway. Let me get back to the news because You know I just told you about the numbers. The World Health Organization yesterday saying one hundred and six hundred six thousand new corona virus cases diagnosed worldwide. Yesterday alone. Which would signal to me. It's not a great time to ease up on stay at home restrictions right and then this morning we passed the milestone the tragic milestone a five million global Kovic nineteen cases this according to Johns Hopkins University and the worldwide death toll reached a three hundred. Twenty eight thousand. Three hundred and sixty eight people again those numbers are astounding three hundred and twenty eight thousand people dead and in this country alone as of this morning. We're closing in. On Ninety three and a half thousand deaths ninety three thousand four hundred and thirty nine people in the United States alone dead and Donald Trump is so cavalier about all this as you heard. Yesterday he was saying. Oh well I it's a bad badge of honor. Because and he gave out some bullshit about testing. Well let me let me go a little further here because there's a new Columbia University. They have disease models. You know there are a number of models that are out there giving us Estimates of of perhaps what we can expect by the way of you know infections and deaths. And can you imagine having that job having to you know right up and figure out actuarial tables of how many people are going to die craziness but there are new estimates out from Columbia University's disease models and well approves it shows that the US really blew it? We knew that already. But now we know it even more because the researchers estimate that if the United States had begun imposing social distancing measures one week earlier in March possibly thirty six thousand fewer people would have died of covid nineteen so far thirty six thousand people if we had just started the stay at home. Social distancing measures a week earlier and then shockingly they also say that quote and if the country had begun locking down cities and limiting social contact on March first two weeks earlier than when most people started staying home a vast majority of the nation's deaths they say about eighty three percent would have been avoided incredible. Meanwhile oh I don't know if this is GonNa work and I didn't. I don't think I brought all this audio over to the other player but I'll get it in a minute if this one doesn't work So so trump. Today I guess as he was leaving to go to Wisconsin to or. I'm sorry to Michigan to tour. The Ford factory that has been reconfigured to make ventilators where he was told in. No uncertain terms. Everyone entering must wear a mask. He hasn't decided whether or not he's going wear a mask because he's an asshole And shoot they didn't transfer over there damn it anyway so so so. Let's see if this works. I have a feeling it won't. Let's try it off. So trump is asked. You'll you'll hear the reporter saying well. This new study from Columbia says if we had begun imposing social distancing measures one week earlier in March. About Thirty. Six Thousand. Fewer people have died. And and here's how the asshole responded. Six thousand would have been stay. Did focusing metrics one week earlier. You believe that. What your reaction to the early. I was earlier that anybody else would a ban on people coming in from China Everybody thought that they didn't want it. Nancy Pelosi a month later was dancing in the street. Lie No she wasn't. I believe what's happening ally. I don't even blame that. I was way early. Oh fuck you. He was not way early and his travel ban that he keeps saying. I do this and nobody else wanted. It was not even a travel ban yet. It banned Chinese nationals from coming in the country but it didn't ban any Americans who had been over there from coming back. There are no restrictions. His his band on travel for from China was not really a ban and it wasn't effective as you can tell because the United States by far has so many more cases more deaths more infections more of the outbreak. Because it's so out of control here and so the idiot was asked about that right i. He was asked yesterday. Would he do anything differently? And he said No. I wouldn't do it here. I wouldn't do anything differently. The what you've done differently. Well nothing New Jersey which were very hard hit. We were set up. Oh you needed to hear with nothing. The idiot would do nothing differently. I'm going to put up if you're watching on A graphic here. This is a chart and it's about the the covid global counts. I. I'm sort of obsessed with these numbers today. And this chart. I'll post it on the blog at Nicole Sandler dot com along with today's show. So that those of you who aren't watching the video Will be able to see what I'm talking about. But this chart. I just pulled out the first twenty countries in terms of total cases. Not only did they break out the total number of cases they also breakout new cases. Total deaths new deaths total recovered active cases Syria slash critical cases total cases per one million people of population right deaths per one million people total tests and tests per one million people so they really break it down so you can really find the per capita numbers and you know look I know. He loves the poorly educated. I get it because You know they're they're the people who are on his wavelength. Oh I thought I had. I love the poorly educated up here. I guess I don't hear it is. I love the poorly educated. Yeah we we know Donald because that's your speed but this was wonderful today. He was asked about you know he keeps insisting that we did more than anybody else doing testing approaches and you remember the idiocy that he said last week right. We've been doing testing at a level that nobody's ever done it before we have the best testing our. Yeah we don't could be the testing's frankly overrated. No it is. It is overrated. But whatever they start yelling we want more we want more you know they always say we want more. We want more because they don't want to give you credit. I want to get to the point where he says all right. We're we're having real serious. I think I've got a short in my system because it's cutting out in the middle of a cut but anyway he's the guy who said if we didn't do so many tests we wouldn't have so many cases. What a fucking any yet. You still have the case as a moron. We just wouldn't know how many people were infected walking around infecting everyone else. So he was asked today about per capita. Because look I'm looking at this chart. It says the United States has done thirteen million two hundred. Six thousand nine hundred and seventy-five tests and if I go down the list of the top twenty countries. You're right we've done more than anyone else. In second place is Russia with seven million eight hundred and forty thousand eight hundred and eighty tests. But then when you look to the next line in the chart it says tests per one million people in the population the United States has done thirty nine thousand nine twenty six per one million people. Russia has done almost double that of fifty three thousand seven hundred and thirty one per one million people in their population. The population of the United States is three hundred almost three hundred thirty one million population of Russia. I didn't realize this but his one forty seven million and then when we go down the line. Let's get to Spain. Spain with a population of only forty forty six million seven fifty two has completed three million thirty seven thousand eight hundred forty tests. But that's sixty four thousand nine hundred seventy seven chests per one million people in their population. That's what per capita means when you break it down along. These percentage lines and you find out really per person. They're testing based on the population. If all populations were equal and what? Donald trump say about per capita testing. And you know when you see per capita like for capital relative to what? I'm sorry to hear that again cabinet. This many per capita per capita relative to what? Yeah and now we understand why I love the educated. Because you're fucking moron. Oh my God yeah So I will post this this chart because it's very fascinating per capita. We do not lead the world in testing we still lead the world in the number of deaths and the number of cases look in terms of total cases the United States. This chart has us at one. Million six hundred four thousand one hundred and nine total covid cases in the United States number two is Russia with three hundred seventeen thousand three six nine twelve fifteen more than five times. As many cases we have total deaths. Well the US is clocking in at ninety. Five thousand five hundred seventy one. According to this chart that I pulled about an hour ago no one else is even close looking down again. This list of the top twenty countries in terms of numbers of infections number two would be Spain. No I'm sorry I'm wrong the UK the UK with thirty six thousand forty two cases compared our deaths that's compared to our ninety. Five thousand five hundred and seventy one. It's not even close and this more on. You're saying I wouldn't do anything differently. And and then he went on to actually say it's it's a badge of honor that we have so many more cases confirmed by tests. He says it's a badge of honor because it saying we did more tests than everyone else. No we didn't and it's time the American people stop believing this con man and this crafter. He is nothing more than a con. Man Who is trying to a create turn this country into his own personal piggy bank vendetta factory cheering section. It is again. I find myself speechless over the the. What's the word I'm looking for? The could spa of this administration. The way they lie about everything. I'm for instance you love this one. trump has been escalating his obama gate attacks and while he's doing it. The Republican led Senate is playing along with this nonsense and so yesterday this Senate Homeland Security and governmental affairs. Committee voted eight to six strict party. Line vote to subpoena the lobbying firm called Blue Star strategies. Blue starts strategies was a consultant to burroughs MMA. Yes the Ukrainian gas company that paid Hunter Biden Joe. Son to serve on. Its board because they are ramping up. These attacks on Obama put what the hell it just makes no sense and then today the Senate confirmed John. Radcliffe is their new director director of National Intelligence. The boat was forty nine to forty four so again along party lines now remember Radcliffe. Who had been a congressman from Texas? Was nominated last year by trump and there was a bipartisan. Push back on him. Republicans told trump. This guy is not qualified for this job and trump somehow convince them all to to vote him in when he renominated him. It's incredible and the gas lighting ditch. The GATT the level of gas lighting is astounding. You know in their cryptic cries of Obama Gate. They're throwing all kinds of shit against the wall to see what sticks today. Nbc News confirmed. That Michael Flynn's name was never masked in that. Fbi report on his phone call with Russian Ambassador Kislyak. The Republicans have keep keep questioning. Why Flynn's name was quote unmasked. It turns out it was never masked in the first place this is opposite world. Thought you never knew it. Sideways is straight ahead fact. No longer reality is now fiction assigned post your next up so I don't get it I just I. Just don't get any of it at all. So this is this is why. I think he is the Anti Christ and the world is coming to an end and I say if it's going to happen come on blow it up in in in style and let's all go out rather than having to you know quarantine at home for a years. If you're going to end the world really can. Can you just do it already? I know it just shows you where my hands these days right all right. I know what we should do. It is that time of the day again or that time of the week again. So with no further ADO. Let's get Howie Klein on the line shall we? Are you a multinational corporation? Hungry for a treat will come on down new Schmucky chucky cheese or you will personally be seated by Chuck. Schumer himself so many dishes. And they're all fresh. You'RE GONNA love our blue dog special the Dino Gerry because we say so a good hamburger and French fries and every burger comes with a side order of grits. I love grits. I love anything with corn. It's calling for only fifty thousand dollars. Wash it down with a dirty deady. Nine tenth ward or one tenth orange juice after a week or two. You drink fiscal two hundred calories and it's scenic and wipe your mouth with a tissue print of glass-steagall for Dessert Dryer. Dnc tarts little cooking's tell the quality of that most restaurants give you amid but at Schmucky Chucky. You get complimentary Sweden. Who picks up the TAB for all this? Find out now with Howie Klein of down with Tierney DOT COM on the Nicole Sandler. Show all right keeping my fingers crossed. Because how the Gremlins have been out from this week Hopefully we can hear each other there. I hear you find it. I heard truck before you. Yay All right. I love it when things work especially this week because things haven't been working this week so I want to jump right into our discussion about the elections coming up in November. Because we've tried to do this for the last couple of weeks and we keep going off on a side trips basically and we haven't gotten through much Many of these candidates that we want to talk about because so much is at stake on November third. And it's not just the presidential race. The Democrats need to hold onto the house and they need to take back the Senate if we have any chance of saving the world I think you know and and our chances of saving the world or better with a progressive congress than with what we're looking at in the competition for President Right. I completely agree. A. A change change the The object a little tiny bit so you keep you about November but there are still primary Joe and that's very important right in order to make the Congress more progressive in November. We have to make sure that there were progressives running and that So we should talk about that a little bit and definitely right and I feel way way optimistic. About this whole thing. I feel that going to be a gigantic anti-trump reaction to his inability to handle the pandemic. And that's going to sweep in All these candidates that's why it's so important that we make sure to That good candidates nominated because if they're not then bad can bad. Democrats are GONNA get swept into office. That's what's that's what's being set up now. You Know Biden is terrible. You know I- how badly I feel about it about him. I'm not going to go into that. I'M NOT GONNA talking about how horrible he is. And we'll all his negative attributes. Instead what I want to say is that he that trump is going to lose and because whoever is the nominee is going to win. It doesn't mean that that that nominee whether it's for Senate or House or President is good it just means trump and his republican neighbors the so bad and people are so angry and they just want a change and they wanna get rid of them and a change is going to be easy a chain and and you know when Biden talks about to normalcy. Yeah normalcy what gave us trump. But they don't care they just don't want trump so you know it's really really important That we nominate good candidates now because they're going to win in November and I was really disappointed on on this past Tuesday when Oregon voted. And you know all of the progressives who are running some of them were all long shots but some of them were really long shots They all lost every the only one that even had a semi respectable showing was Mark Gamba how mayor of Milwaukee who who got and he only got twenty three percent against a dreadful horrible blue dog I mean Kirk schrader blue dog who represents that district is as bad as you can get but Bernie did so badly there as well only eighteen percent so I mean at least gamble a little bit better than him but you know another person only got six percent. I mean that I mean it's just shocking to me and depressing to me. How progressive candidates did so poorly in in in Oregon? Which should who should be estate? That's open to it. But so many people adjust thinking you know demo there's Democrats and Republicans and then they're not thinking about the difference between a progressive and reactionary like Schroder just horrifying to me. But they're awesome reasons that are coming up with good candidates who are trying their best through can make people understand that differentiation. Now I think you have. Do you have the calendar? I do have the big up. I've got it right in front of me. So the next primary and yes. This is all about the primaries and I stated at wrong at the top these are. We're I've got the revised primary calendar because so many races were postponed due to the virus. So I've got the new dates Mostly in how they're being held for instance. The next race is actually tomorrow. It's in Hawaii and it's being done one hundred percent by mail. Blue America doesn't have any candidates running in Hawaii right. No because the guy who like Howie I even. I'd rather whatever money comes in goes candidates who really need it rather than Haley who's you know? He's really going to win. Any way does need help from us. God bless Gotcha. All right the next one after that is June second Delaware DC Indiana Maryland Montana New Mexico. Pennsylvania Rhode Island and South Dakota are all voting on June second. Those are new dates for most of those states. We talked a couple of weeks ago. Howie about Jim Harper in Indiana. And he's somebody good right where we let not only is he. Somebody really really an important because people just roll their eyes and they say oh Indiana. It's such a red state doesn't matter who wins the primary. This is the opposite of that to the district that is very very close to Chicago and as I always say there's more in common with Chicago Indianapolis and this district. Whoever wins the primary next week is going to be the winner of the general they will be going to Congress? This is not as district where Republicans compete seriously. In fact one of the Democrats who's running is actually a Republican and he's favored right now and certainly You know all the establishment forces are trying to push him but he's a Republican who's pretending to be a democrat. Why because the dishes so blue that you can't win in that district Republican so he just say okay. I'm a Democrat. But everything he believes in and everything is four or Republican values. So that's why it's so important that Jim Harper become the nominee. He's a real progressive he. He's very very very skillful attorney. And he's the guy that we hope is going to win this race. There's another person in a in a more difficult but open seat in the suburbs north of Indianapolis and she. She's a fantastic candidate to she. She's she has more difficult race To win in this case but really really really good candidate her name the way it shouldn't. I should've mentioned that right at the top is is Jennifer Christie Jennifer Is A scientist Mother of three A very very very small woman who is running an empty seat that that Kinda read. But you know it's the kind of district where people are so angry right now at trump and so angry with Republicans in Congress because of how horribly this This pandemic fight is going to be. People don't understand that it's not like this all over the world in other places. They're they're doing much more successful job. I mean I don't know if you saw probably did. I think everyone saw the New York Times story that said the minimum at the minimum thirty six thousand lives would have been saved if trump just did the barest a week earlier than most of his full. But there were other You know there were also governors. Who who were you know didn't know what to do? I mean in a case like this. You have to just rush in there and do everything even if it means overspending just have to do it and if you wait just a week could be ten thousand more people dying. That's right and you know you know almost being lauded as a hero. Now and and when de Blasios wanted to close down Cuomo's when the counties in the bay area wanted to close down Newsom said no Fortunately counties in the barrier area just left a nuisance face and closed down and the counties in the bay area are the ones who are doing the best in terms of cases in terms of deaths and the rest of California is not doing as well and in fact now there are. There are a big spike in California counties and I know I just took you off on into the candidates I know you want and then all without list one. You said Indiana Indiana Maryland. It's a new date from Maryland where we have Michaela Wilkes right. That's the most important race that we're that we're we have a shot. I spoke to her a couple of times in the last week You know she has me. She's you know it sounds like I'm talking with with AFC again. Sure of of her of her game plan. She's she's shooting game. Plan just really felt like I was talking to see when no when everyone was saying. She had no chance. And they're saying the same thing about Michaela because Michaela is running against Steny Hoyer the number two guy in In the House and and a real bad guy he doesn't represent his district in Maryland Represents K. Street the lobbyists of Washington. Mckellar is a fantastic candidate. There's another person who who's running in Maryland as well For the old was a special election for that one. But this is this is for the next so the special election the person who was elected for that Quasi A. He's that that just covers until January. Okay after that for the next two years is gonNA depend on who wins On January second and Joe Carter State Senator. is a proven progressive. Very successful state senator. She would make her. She would make a great us congresswoman and she's in that racist well Very important to remember Carter. So that's that's from Maryland in terms of the races that we think there's even a chance of a flipping a very blue state So whoever wins the primary is going to be the winner of election. Steny hoyer this is you. You mentioned that she reminds you while the fact that she's primary Steny Hoyer. This is what did with Joe Crowley who was next in line to be speaker and Steny. Hoyer of course his house majority leader. Something I I I I think is his title at Old School leadership who is not moving over to make way for younger more progressive members. And that's what we would get in Michaela Wilkes and hopefully soon worst and not moving over. He's he's working with Cherry Buso to disadvantage every progressive who come down the pike. I mean they're trying to kill every progressive. Who TRIES TO RUN? I I mean I don't yes I am going to it Nate Nate mcmurray took on a Republican incumbent. In one of the most no in the most red district in New York state are plus eleven that that is the wettest district New York Detroit. He wrote him off and they said this guy is wrong for that district that has a conservative district and he is He is a progressive. We're not going to get behind him. They didn't spend anything on this guy. He came within. He was one of the closest races in the country. Didn't get decided for a week because it was so close and and now he's running again and he's and he's not running against incumbent coming in jail or or appealing his jail. Sentence or something and nate mcmurray could winning. Couldn't win and again. The D triple C is refusing to help him in. This guy is on the verge of becoming a US congressman and this is a New York and in in the suburban area between buffalo and Rochester and natives. Great he's Awesome. I I always. I always use this picture of him and AFC together. Palling it up and Here he is in Deep Red district. Almost one last time likely to win this time. D Triple C. Really wants him to lose. That's triple C. That's Jerry boost entered anywhere. Nancy Pelosi Yup. No it is time for a changing of the guard and look. Everything's on the line right now because everything is so fucked up that we need to fix it and we need. We need to change the people in power All right so we're sport is what Marianne Williamson has been talking about all week and getting a lot of A lot of attention And she went right after Nancy. Pelosi who she likes and respects level but said you know we need a changing of the God. We the people who are running against people like Nancy Pelosi and against people like Debbie Wasserman Schultz and against people. Steny hoyer in Mayor Marion said is they are what would lizzy. Pelosi purported to be when she first ran for Congress decades ago. But you know she's not that anymore. Steny hoyer well he was never that and and and News Debbie Wasserman no. They all have opponents. Now speaking of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and her opponent. Who's been on this program before Gen Perelman because they're right over just one district away from me. Have you ever spoken to her? I have spoken to a few times this week. I spoke to her a lot of time. Good and you know I. I've been coming around towards turn a lot and I think I mean there's no comparison between her and Debbie Times better. But you know I've been talking with her more about You know how she how she's going to actually win as a Someone who you know. Blue America when when we endorse someone. We're asking people to donate to them and eat to be able to ask someone to donate. I WANNA make sure it's not like a waste and they're wasting their time. Plus I want them to give the money to candidates who can actually win. So where where you know. We sometimes take a chance with people we do one. But we don't. We don't want to like you know. Be Nominating we. Don't WanNa be endorsing people. I should say who are not working hard. Who are not putting their all into it. So it's not only about issues. I mean a lot. It's easy to read Bernie's platform and say Yeah. That's my that's my those are my issues you easy to do. It's much harder to organize a campaign and do all the work that needs to be done especially in these in this grassroots time and not just say well I I lost because of the pandemic no that is not satisfactory and I think candidates getting in the single digits. I can't tell the the Blue American members to give to those candidates. It's ridiculous So but I I've been talking with a lot At the At the request as a matter of fact of of Marianne Williamson God and She's a worthy candidate and I had heard that from you as well and You Know I. She's definitely someone who I expect up by that. By the next time we speak she will have been endorsed by Bloomberg be great. I like her. I said I had her on the show once. And it's hard right now because Y- it's not like people candidates can get out and do retail. Campaigning it's your. They're not knocking on doors. It's a whole is organizing. A real campaign is a real campaign and she is. She is doing she. She's making a worthy effort. Yeah so I feel that that's important too. I mean I see candidates who aren't doing that and infuriates me. That they're all they're doing is is sitting in tweeting days and asking people for money and not doing the job and I definitely have a short in this board. Howie Klein is with us. He should pop back in any second now. I don't know what's going on here. Howie I lost you for a second. I don't know if you can hear me Come on hopefully. He'll pop back in in the meantime while we're waiting for how we to reappear dammit all right so we were talking about June second June second. We mentioned Delaware DC Indiana Maryland. The next one is Montana and a how he has not come back up yet. How I'm going to call you back on a different line because This I've got a short in this board. Unbelievable all right. I couldn't I couldn't get through one damn show without a technical problem. You know just it just can't happen. I I'm I'm beyond Frustrated in case you couldn't tell all right. I'm going to try to get how he back on this other line. I'm hoping this will work. 'cause I was fussing with this. They're all at least we can hear it going out. Hopefully he'll be able to hear us on vk loud and clear the whole. I just couldn't get you through my board everything you said. Yes Montana I just went on and on and on. I was like so eloquent. The Best Day but anyway Let's go. That's forget about that and let's go to Montana. There's a really really important race there that people need to pay attention to the. There's a conservative Democrat running worthless. Just it'll just be another nothing sitting in their chair wasting wasting seat wasting a vote just as bad as they come and then there's someone really good and the bad one can is not gonNA win. Anyway she's like a Republican light all the way and even though the trip is trying to push for her I can't remember her. First name last was Williams and and there's a candidate who really can win this race. He's proven he can win this race because he won a state legislative seat in a Republican district. That trump had just one by. I don't know I think eleven or sixteen points or something. I moved a real trump district and he came in there and went and he didn't come in there and one by saying well. I'm kind of like a Republican but I'm not as bad no. He came in there as a progressive platform and talked his neighbors who just voted for trump and devoting for him And real good guys name Tom Winter and he and he does have a a real shot to win this thing and he's definitely somebody that people should endorse should Should support very important. Paul during Montana can make the difference. Now people say well who doesn't really matter because Montaner so red and the November the Republicans are GonNa just went. You know. They're not trump is doing really badly there. People hate him for what he's doing with the pandemic that he was unpopular. Anyway he did win last time probably is not. GonNa win this time even though the Democrats don't understand and I even better than that on the top of the ticket is is the current popular governor bullock. Who is going to sweep the Senate date? He was going to win a US Senate seat from this guy. Steve Daines Stephen will be the next Senator Oklahoma and he will and he and Tom Winter auto friends. They're gonNA campaign together and they are going to help each other to win Both the Senate and the House seat. There's only one house so the at large just like it's like the senators the vote. They're exactly the same electorate and there's no change at all. Might be going to Montana soon. Be a dental floss tycoon. Sorry just thought I'd Frank Zappa for a moment. Speaking of Montana Dental Game Montana Frank Zappa Song Montana. And you'll have to check it okay. Also on June second to get through the list New Mexico Pennsylvania Rhode Island. South Dakota Bloomberg. Doesn't have anybody in in Pennsylvania. No wow time. We are urging on members to make sure the to back One incumbent who who's who I don't WANNA stays in trouble because the voters love him but it's it's kind of a red leaning State and Republicans are putting a huge amount of money in against him. It's Matt Cartwright who beat a blue dog. A few years ago in primary Hoyer was campaigning against him constantly. And he's been a great senator. He's sorry great congressman. He's The whip of the Progressive Caucus and You know he's in a real tough district and votes very well and his name is is Matt Cartwright and that's the person in in that state who we're supporting the candidates Are very very very conservative. In the D triple C has talked everybody into thinking the only way to win because trump one st therefore the only way to win is to Mimic Republicans and being be a Republican light. Wow so knowing good so we're not When involved okay. I think we're GONNA have time for one more as we work our way through the new primary calendar with Howie Klein June six is the Virgin Islands caucuses and then June ninth is a new primary date for both West Virginia and Georgia and Blue America has a congressional candidate in Georgia and Lisa Ring. Yes we love Lisa. We have who candidate for her. We endorsed her. She yes she and we also have one by the way in West Virginia. Kathy Kunkle for US I want. I just wanted to mention about Lisa Just before you called. I was on the phone with. I can't say it 'cause I you know it's not it's not up to me to announce this but this organization You know consulted with me and they just made the decision that they're going to endorse are. It's going to be very very big deal in Georgia. They're going to endorse both Lisa. And and the Senate candidate the best of the Senate candidates they're Theresa Tomlinson so those two women who both GonNa get big endorsements. I think next week maybe the end of this week. And hopefully it'll Help races you know. One thing that Chuck Schumer has been doing and the D triple C. Does it their own way? But what Chuck Schumer does is. He goes to the polling firms and he says look we're paying for the poll. We want you to do it our way or you want to do business with us do it. Our Way and what they do is they they. They have matchups but they don't put the progressives in the match ups they've been putting only conservatives that they back into the match ups so they'll have a matchup for example with Joe in Georgia say. Oh Look Jon. Ossoff is the one who can beat David Purdue and then people don't know that there were other candidates you just see that and they think yes. Let's be David Perdue but Civics a very very good polling from doesn't care about About Chuck Schumer and his cheating lousy ways they just pulled and they did a match up with Theresa Tomlinson and showed her tied with David. Perdue so I mean and this is with the D. D. SEC and Chuck. Schumer doing everything they can to ruin her campaign working against a progressive Democrat because they say she's to progressive. She can't win yet all these conservatives who have run for governor of Georgia have lost one after the other badly Democrats never elect anybody and then then last time we had someone who ran Stacey Abrams who ran for governor on a Progressive Camp Platform. And she kicks she one stolen from her. By the Secretary of State. Who's now the governor And and yet you know. Chuck Schumer says the Progressive Can't win in Georgia. So he's he's supporting somebody who's basically a blank slate in nothing who stands for nothing. Who means nothing and who will do whatever Chuck Schumer tells them to do? I mean Chuck. Schumer is dream is about to come true. I think which is going to fill the house with One after another version of cared cinema. We'RE GONNA wind up on big big victory for the Democrats. The Democrats are going to win six seven eight seats in the Senate huge deal and they're all going to be a bunch of conservative. Nothing I got theresa will be the nominee because this is the woman who can win. She's proven it as mayor of Columbus. She she was republic was a Republican city. She wanted she ran it. She was reelected. She she was you know Considered one of the best governors of small city in America an incredible. Us senator sounds good to me. All right I will post this list. The the the ones that we went over today on my blog Nicole Sandler dot com slash New York that next week new. Next week we get to Kentucky and New York and Virginia and beyond that Jersey. I don't have Jersey on there. I'LL HAVE TO LOOK FOR JERSEY. New Jersey Jersey Jersey's from grape primaries coming up Jersey is July seventh. That's their new date. So every the whole calendar everything's been postponed. So I have the updated so June twenty third is Kentucky New York. Virginia June thirtieth is Oklahoma and Colorado the Senate race and July seventh is the New Jersey primary. So we'll get to it. We'll we'll get we'll get through those next week. Okay all right thank you. Howie Klein have a great week. You too okay. Bye-bye all right and with that. Well we we made it with with only a minimum of problems tomorrow governor. Don Siegelman will be here to talk about. How what he how? He would advise the Democrats to go about winning this election so I got my work. Cut Out for me tonight. I know when I'll be working on all right fixing these a gremlins. Thank you for listening everyone. Thanks for bearing with me. See You tomorrow.

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20210427 Nicole Sandler Show - It's Not Easy Being Green with Desi Doyen

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20210427 Nicole Sandler Show - It's Not Easy Being Green with Desi Doyen

"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language fewer. This question is advised. Jeez got the news. She talks with newsmakers. She encourages us to laugh and she cries with us. Speaking truth to power and questioning authority daily. It's the nicole's antler show. Welcome to a tuesday. I am nicole sandler coming to you. Live from nicole sandler dot com from the progressive voices. Network on tune in on Let's see facebook. Live twitch and twitter still not on youtube and probably won't be until the end of june. Thank you very much. But it is what it is. We roll with the punches here. Today's tuesday and for the last. I don't know ten years or more. my tuesday's had been booked it because gotta laugh is usually here on tuesdays and but she's out for the last few weeks and probably for a few more weeks 'cause she's dealing with something with her hands tendinitis or who knows what it is. She's working on it. She's trying to get around it but she's still not there so we are bearing with her and today instead of laffy we're going to hang out with desi doyen so you know you know. I'm like the regular guest host. For the brad cast brad friedman of brad blog and as join our good friends of mine. And brad's been on this program anytime death. He has been on a few times but not not as often as she should have been and today. Well there's a lot of stuff happening around. Climate change most notably last week. President biden convened this global climate change summit of virtual summit with world leaders. And i thought how about how about you know bringing so sure enough. Jesse joins us today. And i'm warning you. We actually taped it a few hours ago because right now and i can attest to this. Having filled in on the broadcast their show is you know. It's also an hour-long there's a method to my band. There's a reason that. I do the show live every day. Because you get it warts and all but if you pre-tape it if it's a pre-recorded show if it's not done live. Excuse me you want everything to be perfect and so therefore it's a lot more time consuming. So they're so takes really a full data put together. This show does too. I have all the pieces in place and we try to throw it all out there and do live live. We haven't heard that in awhile halfway. I may have to whip that out one of these days anyway. Sorry i'm i'm i'm i'm prevaricating. I think i don't know. Sometimes i use words that i don't know what they mean anyway. I'm wasting time here when i shouldn't because i record that with desi earlier today and it's long so we got a lot of stuff to get to and we will in a moment but i want to start with what there's news let me give you the latest afternoon. News dump news and the big one is Waiting it this morning. And i couldn't hold off on producing what's news until the new mask guidelines came out and it's not so much mask guidelines it's new guidelines for people who have been vaccinated and yes i'm fully vaccinated. I got my touma journey shots. I'm past two weeks after the second dose. So i'm pretty much good to go so you want to know what i what i can do. Now hold on. Let me put this graphic up on the screen for those of you who are watching a video. This is the new basically the guidelines for what you can do if you have been vaccinated and what you shouldn't be doing if you haven't been so basically the centers for disease control and prevention has this new guidance fully vaccinated people can unmask outdoors if they are walking running hiking or biking alone or with members of their household the fully vaccinated can also go mask free while dining at an outdoor restaurant with friends from multiple households. The new outdoor mask recommendations were announced. well today. let's say you can also if you're vaccinated take off your masks. At small outdoor gatherings with fully vaccinated family and friends where there's a mixture of fully vaccinated and unvaccinated people. But those people should be masked it continues it says in addition to continuing to avoid large-size gatherings the cdc said fully vaccinated. People should also avoid medium-sized. Get so small. Gatherings is what they small intimate parties as it were for the fully vaccinated who do choose to attend a crowded outdoor events such as the live performance parade or sporting event wearing a mask is recommended. Masks should also be worn an outdoor public settings and venues where they're required in indoor public spaces such as the mall movie theater or museum the cdc continues to recommend wearing a mask in addition. And here's the last directive the cdc said fully vaccinated americans who live or work in a group setting such as a group home or dormitory no longer need to stay away from others for fourteen days. If they're around someone who has cove it they should still get tested even if they don't have symptoms so there are the new guidelines loosened up somewhat but to be honest with you. When i go out. I'm still going to wear my mask. It really. it's not killing me and not killing you either. Although some people think it is part of the beautiful thing about what i do. Is i get to pick and choose what i want to cover what i want to talk about what i wanna watch on television. What i don't so it's been nice. That sense Joe biden has become president. The former guy. I rarely think about anymore and thankfully he's off social media so i don't see him there. Don't see him on the tv. I choose to watch. Because i don't watch fox the fake news network. I don't watch newsmax or a n or any of that crap but occasionally a clip from one of those networks shows up such was the case this morning and i don't know if tucker carlson is really this offensive of a of a human being or you know he does it for the ratings which frankly is what bill o'reilly did i believe. It's what rush limbaugh did. I don't believe any of them are s stupid. As the character they play on television. I think they realized that they could get rich. Being a an ignorant hole and they take full advantage of it. And then i think once you repeat something times you start believing the bullshit so i think that's where sean hannity now tucker carlson. Well he's just obnoxious on every front back when he was on. Msnbc wearing his stupid little. Bow tie i thought this is a smarmy creepy whiny guy and and they had an eight o'clock opening on fox because bill o'reilly is a predator and they had to get rid of him so they who heels they're gonna put in they're not gonna put a woman in there so they put in fucker carlson and i know what i said. I'd set set it on purpose. Actually because it's easier to say fucker then tucker because frankly he is one motherfucker. Sorry for those of you get offended anyway. Might i couldn't even tell you what channel fox is on direct tv. Because i don't go there but again. His ugly mug showed up all over the interweb this morning because of something really offensive that he said last night so i thought i would share it with you because this it deserves a discussion so i just went through the whole mask thing. I'm fully vaccinated. I still wear a mask when i go out mostly because i want the other people who aren't vaccinated to wear masks to but here's fucker carlson on the television last night saying well. You know what you'll hear what he says. I'll probably stop it a few times. Because i have a few choice. Words to say are we didn't give in. The stroh test version of halloween went on for more than a year and still version of halloween. Not even tony fao. She still pretends that master medically necessary. No he doesn't pretend it. He says it because it's true because they're a protection from the droplets and aerosol droplets that people spew when they speak cough laughs sneeze get it instead. Mass or purely sign of political obedience like kim il sung yung bullshit because we have to the only people wear masks voluntarily outside zealots and neurotics what we know a pew survey from last march found that sixty four percent of white americans who classify themselves as liberal or very liberal have been diagnosed with an actual mental health condition. Oh my god hey fucker. We're not even a quarter of the way through the offensive stuff yet. But i just had to get out that out there. Yes i'm nicole sandler and i suffer from depression. Got a fucking problem with that fucker. Sorry back to the point and you see them everywhere when you walk down the street in manchester city if you dare to go on foot from union station to the capital for example without wearing a mask angry biden voters will snort it you judge. But they're saying on the gauze. How could you not question. We should be asking turn the rest of us. Should be storing. Them i i. It's our job restore the society. God so the next time you see someone in amounts sidewalks bike path. Do not hesitate rally lightly but firmly. Would you please take off your mask okay. So i don't think he's serious. I think he's just stirring up shit because that's what he's told to do over at the fake news network and by the way if that channel fox news were on over the air television they wouldn't be able to call themselves news because new because tv channels over the air channels are governed the fcc the fcc does not allow anything to be called news. That isn't news and what they do at this place is they make shit up. They make shit up and they make shit up again. Your original source for fake news fox chewed up but just the let's get back to it because he hasn't even gotten to the worst part yet so fucker. Carlson just said if see some next time you see one of these liberals walking in outside wearing a mask snorted them. Tell them politely. Please take your mask off. Why does it threaten you. You moron science shows. There was no reason for you to be wearing masks is making me uncomfortable. Shit we should do that and we should keep doing wearing a mask. Outside is roughly socially accepted as leading a marble in an elevator is we have scientists doctors explaining the science behind it. You're just listening to the air bubbles in your head you're more on. It's repulsive your europe. Wholesome message we should send because it's true as for forcing children to where mass outside that should be illegal. Really your response when you see. Children wearing masks as the play should be no different from your response to seeing someone in walmart. Call the police immediately. Contact child protective services. Keep calling until someone arrives. What you're looking at is abuse child. Abuser four we obligated to attempt to prevent it if it's your own children being abused then declining. Let's say your kid's school emails. You announced that every day after lunch your sixth grader was gonna get punched in the face by teacher. How would you respond to that. That's precisely how you should respond when they tell you that your kids have to wear masks on the soccer field seriously. That's how you should respond when they tell you. Your kids have to wear masks on the soccer field to protect themselves and others. That's what you should do. I'm i'm i'm blown away he. He's almost done. That is unacceptable urine exam and we should act like it because it is right. Us have responded like okay. Shut up all right so you want to know what happens when when fucker carlson that the the highest rated host on the fake news network tells his Tells his sycophants to do this to harass. People are wearing masks well in case. You're wondering this is what happens. This is a video from today of people harassing kids on their way to school wearing this only god. They're talking about abortion their harassing kids going into an elementary school. Were wearing masks at least your breathing. Oh my god. This is the problem because you've got fox. Probably all the hosts know better than what they're saying but they're going for the money and they're lying and they They encourage people to do shit like this. This grown woman and two men standing outside of an elementary school where parents and kids are walking up and yelling at them because they're wearing masks because they're being responsible. I talk about opposite world all the time. This is it. We are living in opposite world. Welcome world where is out and down. That was the original one that you stand with brought to you by little johnny boehner and has really big hammer. Because that's it's been going on that long but now it's on steroids. So that's what's going on here but it goes on like this. They lie about everything to freak their fan base out so the latest and we talked about this yesterday. With dave johnson. The latest is now. They're trying to tell you that. Joe biden's new infrastructure plan or his green energy plan which is all together is going to make it so you can't eat meat anymore. You can't eat meat anymore. Say goodbye to your burgers if you want to sign up for the biden climate agenda finding of one study that won't impact you. Eat including americans would have to cut red meat. Consumption by a whopping ninety percents burger month. There's no states The barbeque the elites will find their way to get rib eye steak for the rest of us who will be left. kale bullshit. Four told and in one thousand nine hundred seventy. This is toby token movie classics soiling rain gas powered car on friday. We told you michigan too graphic in a script incorrectly implied that it was part of biden's plan for dealing with climate change. That is not. Oh my god so yes. That was a fox person who finally had to admit we lie to you. That's not true. They're not going to take away your meat. You might want to take away your meat. I've taken away my meat but you know there's nothing that they they lie about everything so before we move along and bring in dc doyen. I got one little song to play for fucker. Carlson show because nobody you. I need you show the vocal shot. Joe bitch bitch shot. I know you're seeing along the fuck up. Shut down shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up but it just end so suddenly. So that's for tucker carlson for the rest of us. Let's talk climate shall we and let's talk to does doing joining us on the line. Now is join now. you know. Usually i speak with. Brad friedman from bread log dot com. But daddy doyen is. The is the person who does all the work but you actually are the managing editor of the green news report right. What does that entail. Basically that is trying to sit through the fire. Hose of green energy news and policy and politics. And everything and trying to distill it down into a tiny six minutes hide cash that gives you watch need to know and hopefully sparked interest in in researching these headlines further and just to say that at our website. Green news dot brad blog dot com. Or you can just go to the main site. Fried dot com when you click through to any one of our reports. I have a huge section of extra stories that we didn't have time to cover and it is. It's huge so you can really do a deep dive and go way down the rabbit hole of all the things that can be done for climate change energy. You know it's funny. He because you said our short six minutes podcast and the six minute thing at the top of the hour depending on how you look at it as either like interminably long or so short. You can't get all the pertinent information in and you right and so today's day so you have a new episode coming to actually just released but i talk to you about the one you did on tuesday because you publish them on tuesdays and thursdays because on tuesday you dealt with the big climate summit that president biden convened virtually with representatives leaders of forty nations. This was a pretty big deal. Wasn't it it was a huge deal. Actually and you know there's some complaints about. Oh you got all these elites flying everywhere and talking to everybody but what. It actually does Succeed in doing is builds trust and trust between leaders. Right now is a really big deal especially after the. Us has flaked out so often. I mean let's like twice now that the united states has ditched a climate agreement and international climate agreement. Try the kyoto agreement. And then you know. When trump pulled out of the paris climate agreement and of course now biden is back in but So these kinds of meetings are really big deal for trust building So obviously couldn't be done this year. So it's it was a virtual summit which was actually a bit more interesting and accessible. I think to the public It was nice to sort of sit in on direct little meetings between world leaders and biden. It was kind of cool because sometimes they call him joe day. Yeah i spoke with joe and it's like oh that's neat so they did cover a lot of stuff and it was. It was focused primarily the entire two day summit was focused primarily on innovation and economic opportunities Because the different assembled leaders all really get the science on climate change and they're all at different stages of development for their countries and they all have different needs and different resources available to them but they do all appear finally to get it that we've got to act on climate change now. It's going to be an issue of figuring out how we measure what everybody is doing how they report it What we do to make sure that they do it. How do we ensure accountability for that and how we bring along the laggards like russia brazil. Right now now. Russia was there so so does he. Earlier you mentioned about the world leaders flying around on their private jets while this time they didn't because of covid virtual thing so was this just was on zoom and everybody just logged into the zoom call. How did it work would need like i said you know. They basically president biden and special qualm. Climate envoy john kerry the national climate adviser gina mccarthy cabinet secretaries. They all sat around a big table with a gigantic twenty-foot tv screen. That had everybody in there. Zoom box talking to them so that gives you an idea of what it looks like and of course there were the usual glitches often happen. That would kind of funny. You know yes i know. I tried to tune in at the very beginning and pull some audio from it Kamla harris spoke. And joe biden spoke the was doubled. It was like an echo echo echo. So yeah i. I kind of gave up quickly. But you say they got that fixed fairly could land like a few minutes before i get. Somebody alerted the state department that. Hey your audio mashed up. They finally did. It happened a few more times but they were much quicker on the draw as far as fixing it within seconds rather than letting it go on and on and on for ten minutes i have no idea what comal harris said i know was pretty good from what i can tell but it was so hard to understand so bad for 'cause it was a big debut for her on the world stage and technical issues matched up. What does sam but so so but after that after her introductory speech that she was kind of done she wasn't she didn't play a big role in in the rest of she didn't hit pretty much then. Went to carry and gina mccarthy to run the whole business and then on the second day. I should also note that cabinet secretaries like Energy secretary jennifer granholm commerce secretary gina raimondo Transportation secretary buddha judge the us trade representative. Catherine tie they ran the second day and they went even further into innovations. That countries are doing right now. to to fight climate change but also they caught very extensively about how it was creating an economic boom in their countries to take these actions. Because you know you have to have people do construction for example to to make your infrastructure more resilient or to build a new clean energy project so it was basically a hey. This really is a great opportunity for job. Here's the things we need and that was that was the other. Part of the summit was Different countries talking about this is where we are. This is what we're doing. Here's what we need to move forward. And i think that was in the end. The best part of the summit was i think the. Us sort of convening this international conversation about where we are and what what different countries need in order to make this work and then the us shank we commit to work with you where you are on what you need. Wow and that's a big change especially well most specifically from the last four years where trump tried to undo everything that was done in towards the goal of of becoming carbon neutral or doing something to mitigate the the climate changes in fact He went overboard the other way. So it's it's been a lot of in. Joe biden first one hundred days in office reversing the horrific policies of the previous administration. Yeah and you know. We lost four years of action in reducing emissions and we lost four years of action in reducing pollution. So that's the other part of this is is how much pollution we can get rid of by acting on climate and a lot of people who won't guy from air pollution if we act on climate right now. You mentioned putin a little while ago and to get russia onboard putin did participate. So was he just there on the first day to like the big leaders were there and then they then they turned it over to their underlings to to participate in the rest of it though. That did the first day was was basically world leaders saying well. Here's what we're doing on. Climate and you know and putin is a troll. It was trolling a little bit saying noting that you know the. Us is responsible for the vast majority of historical emissions and that is absolutely true and he also noted that russia has as really reduced its emissions. He didn't mention that. That's because russia is not that big of an economy and they also had a huge hit to their economy when they transitioned from You know the old ussr. The soviet regime to where they are now. So that really shrunk their economy and shrinking their economy also shrunk their emission. He also talked about nuclear energy. You know russia's big nuclear energy researcher and so he talked about how they are moving into more nuclear for and more nuclear advanced nuclear research to cut their emissions but remember russia is also a huge oil producer. A huge natural gas producer. So i think putin is trying to have it both ways by trolling the us. And say yeah. We're doing a little bit on and on clean energy but we're not going to change anything about our oil production or dudes great so there has to be there to be more. What did the pope have to say was just basically saying it is our moral responsibility to address the climate change and the ways that capitalism and globalization have armed the poorest countries and You know create. Protecting god's creation is is what we are called to do as christians and to protect the poor is what we were called to to christian and the poorest countries did not create this problem of climate change is right and the poor countries are paying the brunt of the price they pay i and worse. Yes because they don't have the infrastructure to begin west and to deal with climate impacts like extreme rainfall and flooding. They don't have flood control. They don't really have Which systems for example or clean water drinking systems there are places their entire region of africa. That are not connected. Any kind of formal electric grid at all so that was a big part of summit. You know it was really eye. Opening to hear from. All of these leaders like especially leaders. In africa there were both Business leaders and political leaders who spoke at the climate summit and they talked about the very different position that they are starting from you know in in africa. for example some ninety percent of the population does not have access to a formal electric grid. In other words. There are no power plants that extend wires out to where they are so there are new innovations and in new businesses. That are cropping up. In africa that are bringing local micro grids usually powered by solar or wind to these these regions. That that have no access So like for example one of the big things that really underscored for me the how the divide between rich and poor countries rich and developing versus developed countries. And how they're different stages of development so like the ceo of ez solar which is located in east africa She is building those micro grids for those that don't have any and she said that it's really important to help. These countries that are trying to live there. People out of poverty and build infrastructure zillions against climate impacts. That are to come and then also to pay to grow and build renewable energy projects and this is all to address a problem that they had nothing nothing to do with creating and so. It's wildly unfair. Dad's forced to spend all this money when for example they don't have any money really or any experts that they can send out to bring in this investments tudor countries so the president of gabon for example noted that ninety eight percent of their country or eight percent of forget. The exact amount is covered with forest forest. Aren't worth anything just sitting there. So they have to cut them down in order to be able to sell them in order to be able to buy food import to their country whereby energy to import to their country. So they're talking in these developing countries about how they really need help from the united nations green climate fund which is something that the us and developing countries have pledged to put in billions of dollars and to also share Clean energy technology for a lower price than me now making them sign up for loans and stuff so this green climate fund is one area where the money gathered by the un goes to help them build a new infrastructure that will adapt to the coming impacts of climate change in the ones that were already getting now they're also talking about other development investment. That will help them. Deploy renewable energy. And it's really expensive right now with the patents that different countries have and the you know the the way that in the past international finance has word it has been requiring developing countries to take on loans with interest rates that they have to pay back and they have nothing to pay it back with. I mean literally. They're trying to lift people out of poverty and pay the creditors abroad so they also talked about a need for reforming the international aid and development investment system. So some huge stuff like that. Fight one of the things for example Norway denmark save those leaders came on to talk about what they're doing they've got excuse me they've got Innovation in offshore wind. They're doing a net zero commitment to make Global shipping your emissions neutral There lynn norway. They're already at fifty percent electric vehicle versus this. You know compared to kenya where they're trying to build infrastructure they are already ninety percents Clean electricity because they're lucky. They have lots of hydropower resources. But they're trying to eliminate wood-burning and kerosene burning cook stoves. Wow their goal is to hit one hundred percent clean cook stoves by twenty twenty eight and that's a huge comparison to wear norway in denmark. Are gives you this. This vast spectrum of what a biden was trying to get everybody to understand this spectrum between where different stakeholder countries are and what they need yet to where we all need to be right so we all have different where i different places in our development or are move towards cleaner energy every country has its own challenges in its own stuff but now add on top of that and i don't even know if this was was discussed during the summit. Because the the the extra wrinkle in all of this cove it you know you talked about these poor countries. Who don't have the money to do this. And now they have to deal with covert on top of it and many of them don't have the vaccines don't have the money for the vaccines mercy of the rest of the world. And oh my god. I've been watching some of the coverage from india where they had these giant funeral. Pyres outside of crematoriums were. They're burning bodies just because they're so overwhelmed with them. That campaign great for the environment did did the topic of covid come up and how it is. Impacting our efforts to move towards a cleaner. World actually did not in the way that you might think it was mostly about. How covid taught these different of the countries that spoke of it. I should say so of the leaders who spoke of covid. They talked about how it offered them a chance to look at how their society is arranged to see how they could make shift for kovin that actually helps reduce emissions like in paris. For example you know. The mayor of paris has actually codified into law. The street that they transitioned to pedestrian steeds. Street trout door dining and for people to be able to be socially distance wellbeing outside. And they're going to stick with it. Good day with With converting these streets to pedestrian only. They're working more towards shifting away from car dependence for every part of life so that was one aspect from the climate that did come our where leaders were noting that hey we were able to cut emissions. We found that our you know our air was cleaner our water cleaner. Our roads didn't have quite as much traffic. So we're going to try to figure out how we can take our adjustments and make prominent interested in one of the interesting things that came out of. It didn't happen with the us. Of course because our politics is stupid but other than right and i was wondering if anybody made the observation that when the world was quarantining all of a sudden the air quality got better. that's the direct correlation and that shows how how much of an impact we can have by taking our foot off the gas figuratively and literally and that. That is something that is. I think the not not. It's not said enough that what we really do have to do is we must get off of fossil fuels and we have to phase them out entirely by twenty fifty. So that that's the bottom line there really is no other way around that brick wall. We're we're going to be doing shouting talking about and hearing a lot of information about Dollar no we don't need to do that. Oh we can find a way to make sure that fuels can continue to go and and believe me. There's plenty of propaganda and lots of lobbying going on right now for from the fossil fuel industry to try to game the us efforts. And also i guess europe's efforts as well to to move to net zero emissions by twenty fifty and really there is no other way to do it other than keeping as much of the fossil fuels in the ground as possible right now so dizzy joining with us. News report and log and the broadcast. So we know the us is one of the planet's biggest defenders as is china. Now we know that. Joe biden has come in and made some great pronouncements and set some lofty goals. Moving some of the deadlines back from twenty fifty to twenty thirty in terms of cutting our a greenhouse gas emissions. And and and and other things. I mean he's he's put in some safi goals number one is are they enough and number. Two question is where's china on all of this because they're the other world's biggest polluter right. Yes yes they are. Well the okay. So here's here's how to think of it China right now has become since two thousand ten. The world's largest emitter all the us is the world's largest emitter per person by more than any other country by far even more than the european union is also more than china per person but we are like four times when You know what china in this person and so and also the. Us's i mentioned before the us is. The world's greatest largest historical are we have been emitting co two into the environment for decades and remember co two in the atmosphere is cumulative it lasts in the atmosphere about a thousand years so we have a huge moral responsibility and direct responsibility for the warming. That is now the two that is now in the atmosphere. So china is not actually responsible for as much of it as we are So going to china has committed to do again. We shoot the part about china still being in a developing stage. I mean they do have a billion people but a lot of their people are mired in deep deep poverty. So they're trying to both do the same thing to build out infrastructure which they are doing to their rural communities they're working on building renewable energy and clean energy research and development and electric vehicles china plans to own the global cleantech market and plans to take it from the united states. So part of what biden doing is trying to catch up to china and not let them take over the global cleantech market. Because you know this is this is this is. These are innovations that the us created that the has has used through various techniques to take what we have invented and sell it back to us. Right biden is trying to grab market. Share back And of course. China is also huge offender as well. They're still building coal plant. And so one of the things that The chinese president xi jinping committed to was to phasing out coal real and they have said yeah and they have you know and it was a big deal last late last year when china committed to Going to zero by twenty sixty which for an economy as large as theirs and a country. As vast as there's with as many people as have twenty sixty is doable. It is achievable and the thing that they do is The chinese also tend to set targets that they can easily meet so that they can not ever lose face by not meeting the targets. I guess is actually gonna meet it much earlier than that. But you know. That's what they've committed to which is already a big deal. And that doesn't mean that they're perfect by any means whatsoever. It just means that they have What's the united nations calls common but differentiated responsibilities. And that's the that's the way that the united nations and the diplomats talk about the spectrum of needs across all of these countries from the poorest countries to richest countries. they all have a common responsibility but it's also differentiated for where each country is what their needs are how many people they have to lift out of poverty and what is their resources not just the natural resources but their capacity to actually pay money to build stuff right right and then you also asked about biden. And i can't remember what your question. What are we doing enough. Or biden's goals lost e- enough to get us through this and and to where we need to be so number one yes the twenty-fifty goal can be met if we can meet the cutting emissions in half by twenty thirty It's it's it's there's there's no question about the baseline but about where we start from. Because biden has proposed cutting emissions from two thousand and five levels britain and you have talked about cutting their emissions fifty percent from nineteen nine eleven. So you biden. There's there's definitely a a legitimate complaint. That what he has proposed is not as ambitious as it needs to be. This is true. But i think as vicious as is politically feasible in the united states. So you know technically on a science faces none of the pledges that have been made by any country under the paris agreement are going to be enough to keep us to one point no more than one point. Five degrees of warming celsius above pre industrial levels. But we knew that going into we knew that back in two thousand nine when the agreement was originally signed. It's not going to be enough. The idea is that if you said this target then people and governments can try to meet it if there's no target there's nothing to me. There's nothing to try for. There's nothing to measure against. So that's what the goal is right. Now biden's pledges are enough if we can get to half emissions cuts by twenty thirty that does put us on the path for by twenty fifty but we will have to pick up the pace quite a bit and we do cover that in. Today's news report Good the gap between what we what everybody has pledged versus. What needs to happen is Is not gonna get to net zero twenty fifty based on where we are today but of course this is attempts to predict the future. And we don't know kind of innovations are gonna come out and right now. Innovations in clean energy and battery. Technology are just going like gangbusters. There will be quite a bit of innovation coming up now that all of the focus is on doing that innovation and now that the money is clearly going into the direction of clean energy I think that there is quite a bit of hope. Some climate scientists and climate policy analyst that while the targets on enough by setting up on this past we will actually get there faster than we think. Right and the other thing that i'm guessing i mean it's just my my my educated guess is that they want to set these goals as something that's attainable. We watched what biden did when he came into office with vaccines while his first goal. One hundred million shots in the first hundred days. We were already there. He wants to set goals. That are attainable that seem lofty but are also attainable so that he has success and he beats expectations so exactly for just to make sure that it's really super clear here so it technically possible with tools that we already have but not all of the tools are ready in order to be able to get us to net zero by two thousand fifty so some of the tools that we already have that exist. Are things like direct air capture carbon emissions nats literally machine that sucks the carbon out of the atmosphere and then either liquefies it so that it can be put in other things or or using other industrial processes where it's now one aspect but is really expensive right now. So one of the aspects of the department of energy secretary granholm talked about is how they are going to devote significant research money to ward direct air capture because on our current trajectory. We're not going to be able to just get there to net zero twenty fifty by only swishing to clean energy and only reducing our emissions. Were also going to have to probably find a way to suck energy to carbon out of the atmosphere. You know tree planting is not going to be enough. There's not enough land in the world to feed people and replant enough forest in order to be able to suck all that extra of carbon that we put into the atmosphere of the past few decades. So that's one aspect of of the innovation. That is coming up so yes. It is technically possible. The problem is is it politically possible. Well that's where the. Us and australia really have fallen down. Gotcha and what's speaking politics. So let's go there for the. The green new deal has been proposed introduced by aoc and ed markey and house and the senate Obviously joe biden is not embracing the totality of it. He's not embracing the name of it. He's not embracing this as a strategy but he is embracing bits and pieces of what in it right. He's working at his infrastructure bill. Which he's calling a jobs plan. The i think the genius of the green new deal title is that it brings it all together new deal in terms of recovering from a depression or recession or bad economic downturn and in this case kobe and just you know the general way of of of our economy and in a green way and if we as we need to transition from fossil fuels to clean energy that would create a number of jobs and stuff. We've thought it but but the fact that biden won't embrace the green new deal title or go there shows that the political side of it. So oh yeah glitzy graham. This week finally admitted. I come to the conclusion that climate change is real. Well nice of you to get with the program lindsay. How about the rest of the party. Are they finally coming to the realization that this is real okay so the republican party depends on. Of course you're talking to the nuts in the republican party who don't accept science under any circumstances at all like gomer for example of texas right but they are quite a few republicans who have recognized the validity of climate science. All this time and have just been lying this entire time because it doesn't benefit their fossil fuel benefactors. So that is the real issue. There finally asked predicted this. Is i have to say this was predicted awhile. Ago by a number of climate commentators swiss that once the republican party saw the political winds change once they saw the public which finally catching on to climate change and the need to take action then they would say oh well we always believed in that of course right because that's what they do right but when you have younger republicans who are now coming in. And some of those younger republicans are smart enough to see that the political winds have changed and that they will have to come up with something so for example the republicans in congress in the house presented their own infrastructure bill. And it's like five hundred sixty eight billion and it covers. You know the usual hard infrastructure. But it doesn't have anything on climate emissions and it doesn't have anything on environmental justice and that is a huge difference between what biden is doing what afc and the green new deal do versus what republicans are talking about. So right biden does not call it a green new elvis obviously that drives republicans into Massive demonization of whatever biden is trying to do. So i think it's useful that senator ed markey have presented the green new deal as sort of a foil. A stretch goal a thing. That biden can say. Look see we're not doing that. It's ok guys you can listen to me. What am i doing that. Green deal thing even though that's what he's doing right so he's not doing all the things that the green new deal but he's doing a lot of them and his he's got a major focus on environmental justice because people may not know but most minority communities and communities of color in the united states have a much higher pollution burden than white communities and that has to do with zoning and cheap. Land industry's moving into where We're we're the permeating is more permissive. From special like in places like texas where they're like sure you've gotta chemical plant. You want to put it two blocks away from a residential school. That's fine go ahead. And that is has been a problem for decades so biden is trying to begin addressing that by he says he pledges he's gonna put forty percents of the Spending the american jobs plan and make sure it's directed towards these frontline communities that bear the brunt of pollution. So we'll see what the details actually are on that and if they're actually able to to bring it up to forty percents or how they're going to have to wheel and deal in there to try to help other communities as wealth wow but republicans now that they see that they're going to have to do it. They're going to basically make their role to be. Delay should talk about. We need to act on climate change. We never denied. Climate change. Assure understand or climate change. But now we're gonna make sure that we make it a slow as possible. So that's kind of where where we are and what to expect from them so as usual. It's a fight against the elements but also a fight against the republicans who keep who just want to put a hold up against anything any progress. We make the climate crisis or making things better here. You know improving voting conditions. Getting rid of kovin things like that. It's on and everyone is one more important really important thing is that just pay attention to how republicans demonize any action going forward. Their point here is to derail the conversation to deflect attention away from the fossil fuel industry. So they'll try to blame individuals. We'll try to blame you. And all of your actions and say biden is trying go after you and the things that you like in your individual life important to note biden plant plans say nothing about individual actions or personal consumption of any kind so when republicans pluck out stuff to yell about what they're trying to do is derail the conversation and deflect attention from the fossil fuel industry because again it's the source of a lot of their money. It always comes back to money. Doesn't it if we could get money out of politics. I i'm guessing that working on the climate issue would be a whole lot easier. Oh i'm sure it would be because you know if you look at public polling if the public got what they wanted based on public only the vast majority of the public you know between sixty five to eighty five percent of the public depending upon what you're asking about. They support climate action. They accept that climate science They accept climate science and they accept the need to do something about it. They like the idea the idea of cleaning up pollution. They want to do these things they love. The idea of american jobs plan. They love switching to clean energy. They love the idea of retrofitting homes and getting ready for these climate impacts. That are going to get worse and that we won't be able to stop because we are in cutting emissions so the public loves this stuff and yes if we were able to get the fossil fuel industry out of our politics than we'd be much further along but that's not the world we live in now and it's certainly not the country we live in so we've got we've got a we've got our work cut out for us last question for you. Does he join. And this is a personal one. Do you have confidence that we're going to be able to turn things around enough that in your lifetime we will see a change and and we will be less concerned about the effects of climate change on the planet. You know. if you'd asked me a year ago. I would say no. But i'm actually feeling a bit more positive and optimistic about it. Now because The technological advances you're there the ability to innovate. Is there the capacity to build and develop these technologies that we need is totally there. And i believe we actually can do it. It's just a matter of the politics moving fast enough. I wouldn't have that biden would be able to follow through on his pledges and during the campaign. I thought i thought he was just kind of promising these things and then he would back off and try to let let republicans dictate the terms of the debate. Right he's not doing that and so when he comes out with a let's cut our emissions in half by twenty thirty. That's actually what the science says to do. You know he could make it even deeper than that instead of making it two thousand five's levels. He can make it nine hundred ninety levels but that said the fact that he actually said it and put it into words and now the the different cabinet agencies all this week have been thrown out new policies. They're going in their initiatives that that they can do under their authority without congress on at biden under his authority without congress. All of that stuff they're doing is actually in line to meet the cutting emissions in half by two thousand thirty so it is possible to do it so i have some. I have some optimism that the big drawback big scary part is that these efforts if the republicans and right wing media are able to demonize them effectively. It could create a backlash that causes democrats to lose this very tiny margin that they have congress in twenty twenty two and that you know a lot of the stuff that biden has has done won't be reversed unless republican gets elected in two thousand and twenty four so we have those two benchmark stat That will kind of determine is if we're able to make it or not so it kind of all depends on the four hundred. Something people in congress in two thousand twenty two and whether retains the white house and twenty twenty four. Ra whether we're actually gonna make it and who we elect in the midterms in two thousand twenty two if we give control of congress back to the republicans were screwed so basically the ball is in our court we have to do better about getting out and voting and taking control of what's going on Does he thank you so much. I'm going to try to take your optimism with me. Because i haven't been feeling it so i will try to go with that and move forward from there the only way to go yes committed and get stuff done in an does. That's right. you're absolutely right won't make anything better. It'll just make us miserable miserable than we are. Does he find her at on. Twitter at green news report Green news brad log dot com where it can get to the green news report and of course brad blog dot com and the brad past. Which does he produces them. I know i'm holding. You got work to do so thank you know worry. thanks nicole. Does he doillon she. She's she's so sweet. I love disease. She she's. she's the unsung hero of the brad blog and broadcast and all that stuff by the way she sent me an email. She's like we ran out of time. But there's this great clip from john kerry at the thing. Here's what he had to say at the end because the world as a whole is moving in this direction because these companies have made this critical long term strategic marketing judgment. No politician is going to be able to change. Would that market is doing because it will have moved have four years of entrenchment and those jobs will be there and people will see that this is the product people want to buy and they will also increasingly. I believe boim more convinced by the heat in the summer by the floods by the weather by the intensity of storms by the rising sea level. That we gotta get moving. And i don't think anybody is going to get back from that fast because we're way behind the eight ball on that and the chances of seeing more damage before we see the progress is very very real interesting. John kerry who knew all right. We've covered a lot of ground today. What one thing we haven't done so far this week. It's only two days old but we haven't had a funny and we could use one right about now with all the talk about people dissing the idea of getting vaccinated thought. It was time for a song. This is a guy named chris man. I haven't played many of his song parodies. but he's pretty good and well at the beginning of the pandemic we hit all the my corona songs. Let's do it again. we go here. We go see by accident by the road. ashby nineteen. Why are you still hearing. I take diane time to save the fish better school. I come rhoda gonna be my turn. Hope before i go insane. Modano we until the age. Like i'm in two hundred million days bring invited. Thank god for dolly parton. A i remember my coroda john. A road restaurant burger king. Women my mask sakes don't talk to rewi runoff on running twenty. We've made a to city. I come my name. Is chris man. Yeah my corona and with that we're done for the day thanks for listening everyone tomorrow. Governor don siegelman of alabama will be here. Cnn lee with what's news k. i. It's time for new coal sandler's what's news from the coal sandler dot com and the progressive voices networked the us census bureau released the first data from the twenty twenty survey on monday. It shows three key states. That voted for the former guy. Picking up seats in congress while two big states that backed biden will each lose. One texas will gain two seats florida north carolina along with montana or colorado. We'll get one more seat each california new york illinois michigan pennsylvania and west virginia will each lose seat. The new york times wrote this shift from the northeast and mid west in the south and west will shape congress for the next decade. The adjustments also will boost republican strongholds in the electoral college overall. The census showed the population growth rate was the slowest since the nineteen thirties. Now whether that's actually true or just the result of a shoddy trump lead census that was hobbled throughout and ended early because the administration was tired of counting or some such nonsensical reason. We don't know and can't find out. And because the census is only taken once every ten years. We're stuck with this for a while. And by the way for all the people who refuse to participate in the census shame on you new york lost a congressional seat. Because of eighty nine people seriously as the nation grapples with the seemingly never ending series of police shootings of unarmed black men. Attorney general merrick garland is stepping up just days after proclaiming that the department of justice would look into the practices of the minneapolis. Police department garland announced on monday. That the justice department will also investigate the louisville kentucky police department to determine whether it quote engages in a pattern or practice of using unreasonable force. This decision comes a year. After officers in louisville fatally shot brianna. Taylor was a twenty six year old medical technician who was sleeping in her apartment when detectives burst in with a no knock warrant. Taylor's boyfriend fired a gun. Fearing intruders and police responded with a hail of bullets that killed her. No charges were brought against the officers. Who killed brianna taylor. The president prepares for his first address before a joint session of congress wednesday night a speech that in every year other than the president's first in office is called the state of the union. The white house has been busy on monday. They announced they're raising the minimum wage for federal contractors to fifteen dollars an hour. That's up from ten ninety five an hour which is far higher than the seven. Twenty five per hour received by non federal contractors. But it's even better than that because this order will index that pay rate for inflation. But wait there's more calling it. The nation's largest summer child nutrition effort. The biden administration also announced monday that it will expand a key corona virus aid program to help get food to more than thirty million kids. After the school year end eligible families will receive roughly three hundred seventy five dollars per child at amounts to about six dollars and eighty two cents per child per weekday though the total amount could vary estate ops to use. Its own schedule. Parents can then use the funds to buy food children who are eligible for free or reduced price meals during the school year and those underage six whose families receive food. Stamps qualify for this assistance and the president will seek eighty billion dollars to fund enhanced. Irs enforcement of high earners to help pay for his american families plan which he will unveil later this week. The reasoning behind this they believe that the enhanced measures to crack down on tax evasion will increase revenue for the government by about seven hundred billion dollars. An announcement is expected on tuesday from the white house. With new guidelines from the cdc for activities that vaccinated people may resume. This should include recommendations related to healthcare settings and whether to wear masks outdoors at press time. The language of the new guidance was still being finalized. Stay tuned sadly more guidance is needed to counter the disinformation being pushed by the actual fake news. Purveyors at fox not news. We wear them because we have to. The only people wear masks voluntarily outside our zealots and neurotics how dorada are they a pew survey from last march found that sixty four percent of white americans who classify themselves as liberal or very liberal have been diagnosed with an actual mental health condition. And you see them everywhere when you walk down the street in any major city if you dare to go on foot from union station to the capital for example in wash without wearing a mask angry biden voters will snort at you and judge. How close you. They're saying from behind the gauze. How could you. That's the question. We should be asking them in return for forcing mass outside. That should be illegal. Call the police immediately. Contact child protective services. What you're looking at is abuse child abuse. And you are morally obligated to attempt to prevent it tucker. Carlson really said that stories. Like this are sadly not surprising. A very expensive miami. Private school has informed employees. That if they choose to get vaccinated they won't be allowed near students. Ventner academies statement repeated false claims that vaccinated people quote maybe transmitting something from their bodies leading to adverse reproductive issues among women quote. We are not one hundred percent. Sure the covert injections are faith and there are too many unknown variables for us to feel comfortable at this current time. What meanwhile. The white house announced on monday that we will send other countries. Our supply of the astra zeneca vaccine the biden administration had already shared about four million doses of the astrazeneca vaccine with canada and mexico. Now they're announcing plans to send doses to other countries desperate to step up their vaccination campaigns after more than a decade. The supreme court is taking up the second amendment again. This case which will likely be heard in the fall centers on the extent to which the second amendment protects individuals right to carry a concealed weapon for self defense outside their home sharply divided supreme court. In two thousand eight and twenty ten overturned handgun bans in washington. Dc in chicago. Redefining gun rights by firmly. Establishing the right to bear arms as an individual right since then the courts conservative majority has expanded from five four to six three sadly. We've heard way too much about guns lately including gun use by those who are supposed to be protecting us. The fatal police shooting of andrew brown junior and elizabeth city north carolina was an execution that was how it was described by his family's attorney on monday afternoon after they were allowed to watch a twenty second clip from a sheriff's deputy body camera members of brown's family said he was shot as he sat in his car with his hands on the steering wheel. Peaceful protesters have called for the sheriff's department to release the body cam video. The sheriff has said he wants to release the video publicly but needs a court order well. Republican led effort to recall california. Governor gavin newsom has enough valid signatures to qualify for the ballot. State officials will determine the cost of the election which could take three months once. That's all finished the secretary of state concert the recall the lieutenant governor will call an election within sixty to eighty days. A few republicans have already said they'll run including reality television personality. Caitlyn jenner by the way recent polls show that fifty. Six percent of voters are against the recall. And that's just a bit of what's news for now. I'm nicole sandler if you appreciate these reports and the nicole sandler. So i hope you'll consider making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported. And i can't do it without your help. 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