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Episode 103: Cuomo-Molinaro Debate Analysis
Gubernatorial race, the top of the ticket. You've heard on this show from Howie Hawkins the green party candidate Larry Sharpe, who's running his libertarian. Stephanie miner from these servant air movement and Republican Mark Molinaro? We have not heard from the governor though, he has been invited to this show. But we did from here from the governor last night on CBS, Ben your overall take away from that debate you and I spoke for weeks about how anxious we're about whether a debate was going to happen or not and we got our debate. So I had mixed reaction in one sense. Very glad there was a debate. I thought it was telling in a number of ways on another hand, it was pretty disappointing debate in terms of value to voters substance policy discussion, it was quite a bit of yelling and cross talk and name calling governor Cuomo really decided to totally sort of unleash himself dominate the discussion and and. Overpower everybody, including the two moderators and Mark Molinaro who, you know, hit back at times and asserted himself at times, but was clearly not ready for the level of aggressiveness that governor Cuomo. Brought to the stage, which I I'm not sure anybody was quite prepared for. It was a luminated in terms of some things about governor Cuomo's character and leadership it had some policy discussion that illuminated things for voters. But overall, I think it was a disappointment. And I also think it brought even at the same time. I think it brings into relief. The fact that we don't have a series of substantive debates, which is really what I think New Yorkers deserve your thoughts along the same lines. I think in in tandem with there not being a regulated form of debate the format is so ad hoc every time the fact that as the debate with Cynthia Nixon before the primary there are no opening closing statements. It really does not permit someone who wants to craft a larger critique of an incumbent to make that case. It's all driven by questions. And of course, the quality of the questions in in how well the answers are moderated falls to the moderators. And they really depends on on how good a job they do. I think frankly that Andrew Cuomo won the debate he wanted he wanted ugly. Agreed. He he wanted by dominating it. I think that muck Molinaro when pressed on some of the questions that KOMO was raising about his support for Trump some of the critiques of his personal finances of his legacy as a as a legislator as of his record as the duchess county executive the mono as perhaps anyone would have been was unprepared to meet the the level of intensity of Cuomo's questioning and therefore ended up looking like he was not quite ready to answer questions. Let me say something on that. I was on a conference. Call Monday morning that Monir did what he announced that. He was accepting the terms of the debate as they were he had, you know, he was one of several forces that it sort of goaded Cuomo into doing this debate, which he might not have done. If it wasn't for the New York Post putting him in a chicken suit on their cover multiple days and people on CBS radio. Oh, pushing him to do the debate that he agreed to a debate on CBS Molinaro assist insisted it was televised debate. But anyways on this conference, call for reporters on Monday morning and monarch accepted, the debate and ask answered some questions and seemed very confident about the fact that he was going to debate the governor and you'll be able to handle himself. Well, and then he had a press conference those previously scheduled for Monday afternoon to unveil a plan that he has for expanding services for people with developmental and physical disabilities. And after he unveiled that plan. He took some other press questions, and again expressed a lot of confidence about the debate seem to sort of downplay the need to prepare and then he was unprepared. He was not ready for some very obvious attacks. Now, again, as I said the degree to which Andrew Cuomo was aggressive, interrupting in dominating was maybe even more than those who know him well would expect but still the questions about Trump the questions about this. Alleged play to play pay to play scheme with Molinaro and his wife, which I think is mostly a whole lot of nothing and his record as a legislator his votes, his very conservative votes. Those three areas of attack which have already been out there for months, he was not ready with quick strong responses on I thought that was a really poor performance. It was well, I think you know, how much he was prepared for that. And simply got knocked off his game. We'll never know. It was telling that on the few occasions where Marcia Kramer, or rich lamb were able to actually put a question to governor Cuomo, especially a difficult question whether about medical marijuana, and there are others as well. Cuomo himself did not seem as strong and answering them as he was playing in interrogator to Mark Mullen, our for those who have not read up the accusation against Molinaro is that as duchess county executive his government, he received donations from an architecture firm that. Firm then won a contract from a development authority, and that a thirty shortly thereafter hired, his then girlfriend later wife to a kind of low level job as director of marketing, and there is a cowardly wage, right? Twenty six thousand year, and that is something that some members of the duchess county legislature have been calling for an investigation of it was remarkable that in response to Mullen are preparing what he obviously must have thought was going to be a very powerful fusillade involving all the conviction for corruption convictions surrounding Cuomo and his aides involving hundreds of thousands of dollars. If not if not millions that KOMO was able to hit back with the seventy thousand dollar charge that has not been dealt with in federal court or the of federal indictments and was able to if not win the point at least knocking off the table. It was an incredible. If very cynical performance agreed. He was very skilled in in being able to do it. He had this line about. Yes. These were people around me, but we're talking about you and your family, and you and putting money in essentially your pocket and as again is questionable. As those claims might be there some grain of truth to them Molinaro wasn't great about responding. And it it totally turned around some of the corruption allegations to almost make them seem on a level playing field, which they're clearly not to those that follow closely, but we're not talking about people to follow closely as the as the majority of the audience that that they were talking to. I think there's some serious questions about how many people may have been watching or listening especially with such short notice about it occurring. But at least they had it, and it was it was broadcast. The question is I guess you're talking about the value of debates in the reason weeks was this debate valuable was worth having this exercise last night. Of course. I mean what else what about the other the alternative is no debate? And it's definitely better than no debate. Right. I mean. Yeah. I agree. I think the candidates a little better a person we were tweeting with earlier today was talking about how debates are a poor gauge of who makes a good public official, and that might be true. But I don't know that campaign ads and speeches and mailers aren't necessarily a better indication of of how well a person's gonna perform when they're actually in it office. So I think and as you mentioned not much I was just listing the issues that came up last night fiscal stuff MTA opioids schools the Bill stadium marijuana. So there was an attempt to raise some pretty substantive issues. We just didn't really get anywhere. But it was very revealing in terms of approach to the idea of discourse and priorities, we got some policy positions. But it was almost as if they were quick answers and that it returned to some of the attacks. So we didn't get an in depth policy discussion, this is fairly unrealistic. But you know, what I would wanna see let's say in this general election. Is something like five debates, maybe three of them are all the candidates on the ballot. And maybe two of them are are the major party candidates, and they have females. They're held around the state and they focus on regional issues. But also statewide issues we deserve at least a half hour of discussion on education issues or housing issue. I mean, the big issues in themes, we should see the candidates really having to address those I, you know, in front of skilled moderators big audiences and really put this conversation out there. What we got was we know that both Andrew Cuomo Mark Molinaro favor of there being more charter schools, and that's almost all we learned about their stances on education. It's very frustrating. We know they both favor some expansion of medical marijuana, which was which interesting Cuomo is more open to the idea of safe injection sites for battling heroin and opioid abuse. Molinaro said he's not in favor of that. You know, so we saw. Some things, but it was almost like they were all just brief answers, and then back to the the sniping and and name calling and speaking of wreath answers bed, and I had a rare public disagreement on Twitter around debate format, and this will do this deep into the weeds. I am not a fan of the lightning round that has become David Gurr in debates where people are asked to quick, yes. Or no question. And and that's it and Ben supports them. We only have a couple of minutes left. This is pretty much our own lightning round. But Ben, why do you like lightning round? I don't just support them. I do them. Right. I I am. I have them as part of the debates often that I moderate, and here's why you have a certain amount of time with the candidates, you decide on your questions, you try to gauge how much time it's gonna take you want to allow for follow ups, etc. You design the questions there's so many things you can't get to what the lightning round allows. You to do is take. Let's say five minutes depends on the number of candidates, and how many lighting around question. As you want and just hit on the things you've decided don't deserve. A couple of minutes of discussion. You get some on the record. You get them on the record about some key issues. So I don't wanna lightning round that we saw this Cuomo Monaro debate about sausage and songs in nonsense. You wanna throw one light question in there like air Louis often does on New York one, which is what your favorite restaurant in the district or something like that. That also gets like how well do you know, your district and whatever. But you can do it with substance totally congestion pricing it cetera. Right. I think we actually are closer in agreement. I think it's finally yes, or no totally now I've always liked the nose on substantive issues. But the your favorite song. Do you like DC comics versus marvel is just nonsense? But yeah, the question about your favorite restaurant, which favorite state park. You know? I mean, I think that would be revealing about how much person really is invested in the district. Ben, we have just a few seconds left. Big story of the next week that we're looking at my I think it's what are what are some of the near closing arguments of the candidates and will Andrew Cuomo agree to this one other debate that seems to be happening with the four other candidates agreeing to it on November. I will somehow he be willing to participate in that. And maybe his performance, which I think he thinks was good will lead him to say, let's do it again. I'll beat up on a few people this time bigger makes it more fun. Yes. Looking at the same. The very same stories and closing arguments, particularly in the attorney general's race, which looks to be the only state wide contest that that seems seems close you've been listening the maximum fee and WBAI ninety nine point five FM. 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Episode 93: Primary Post-Mortem with Top Cynthia Nixon Strategist
So we are here with Rebecca cats, the top tragedies for the Cynthia Nixon for governor campaign. Thanks for joining us. So before we dig into lots of the details, what's your minute or two recap of how the campaign went and why you didn't topple the governor. I think the governor was very hard to be to be toppled in the first place. I think that what we saw at the beginning of this is not many Democrats who are willing to take him off like there are many Democrats who behind closed doors with, say, all the things he was doing wrong and how they were frustrated and how how much of a bully he was. But there was the very few people who would step forward and and say it, you know, in front of the cameras. And when I look back to see cynthia's early decisions, it was about standing up to a bully. And so she said, let let's do it. It was always a very hard slog through and we knew it would be, but it was. It was about trying to actually call out some of the things and and move the party the whole party to the left, which she did. What do you think where your chances at the beginning? Like what was her assessment of? Did you think victory it was hospital was there have always said there was a very narrow path. A lot of things had to fall into place. I money, frankly, was our hardest. The biggest obstacle, you know, we always knew we wouldn't have a lot of money. I was shot even when I like hosted a fundraiser for how my political friends. I love her. I cannot give her money. I cannot have my name in giving her donations Bill come after me, and and so it was just we had to start a whole new start from literally zero there, you know, to to raise money and that was that was really tricky and we weren't taking any corporate money. So you know, Cuomo would get these net where he would just have five friends and all of a sudden he had one hundred grand where it would take us months to do that. We had more donors, but our donors would donate like a swipe a first way's not twenty twenty one thousand dollars. So it was it was very hard and it was always the issue. And then. Especially at the very end, we just got bombarded like our path had always we very much kept our heads down focus on doorknobs and phone calls and texts and really tried to expand our electorate. And at the end of the day we did it just paled in comparison to how they could just go on TV. Have Joe Biden, say whatever he's going to say, have you know the mailers, go out and we just couldn't compete with that was the report which in new it was not winnable with her reserve particular moment. I guess the flip would be like, was there ever a point that we thought it could be winnable, right? I mean, I think we were always our first poll. We were at nineteen and we never did that much better than that. I mean, I think there were obviously some some great good little boost for us. There is when Ocasa one that was that was a big deal for us when I mean honestly, right before ocasio one Cynthia caught out is not only to abolish it, but she actually called ice terrorists. And while that made national news, there were so many, you know. Members of the base who just really got excited for her and just someone who can actually like speak truth the power. So we had something going that was like the Thursday before the Tuesday of the Cossio. And so we thought something was was happening for a few weeks. We felt really good. And then again, another one of those public polls that just book. Was a little bit depressing. And then honestly, there were there's also. There is every time Cuomo spoke, he would say something crazy, and when he got an not over the Americas and that great, it just seemed like he was. It was just like a mess of a cleanup and we thought there was something there and then she, she went into the debate and what was so interesting I thought about the debate was that all the Albany reporters who had seen Cuomo forever. It was like, oh, she didn't get a knockout punch. It's over like she cheered. She didn't get a chance. And then everyone who was seeing it for the first time. It was like, this is home, oh, this is how he talks to people. He's terrible, you know. And so we had this weird outside in thing where we're the Cuomo campaign. I think one the room, but we had cut up videos had these moments that were going out online that like, you know, hundreds of thousands of people were seeing every single like good clip of hers and some some we put out and some that were organic and we felt there was real movement. And then she went from the debate up to the state fair, and we just like you. Upstate and she was just over-focus house. People loved are some really. There's something happening here, and then we got another poem like, no, nothing's happened in here. You did sort of see that those polls you. You took them as signs that things were not moving the way you thought. I mean, there was this discussion about where the polls were the cash. I always the poles were always off. Like I think we always did about ten to fifteen points better than a lot of the. And I think the last poli the outperformed by twelve points or something that the problem with the polls. It was almost it was almost like they were coordinated to hurt us at the exact right times. You know, in terms of when they would come out, there was never one that came right after the Okaz yo bump. It came out many weeks later, but there was one that came out right after the democratic convention or there was when he was doing the America was never that great. There was never a poll that came out then there wasn't a poll right after the debate. So there are things that were happening that the polls almost. We never got to have a good, you know, money-making. From pole as in the poll show things tightening and they can say, we're closing in that you could make him sweaty even more than narrative in the media changes. That's at the thing. It's it's a terrible cycle that these pulse do, especially if they're not if they don't have their finger on the electorate and they're off that they just they, you know, the New York Times, we'll do a story off of any public Paul, so you will get five hundred fifty words in the times no matter what happens about a poll no matter how inaccurate is and that you know, that's that's buzzy. So it's hard for us to compete with that. And then of course, money like good polls mean good money. People think they have a shot. They give more and we always had very like excited donors. But again, they were only giving a few bucks just one more quickly on the on the on the path to victory type thing. Did you going into the campaign? Did you think we have to sort of expand the electorate, do everything we can to be in a position where if something really goes wrong for him, we can seize on it was at a little bit of the trials. You know, we got Cynthia announced right after the cocoa verdict. And what was so interesting about that is it was talking about barely a ripple like that was that wasn't even the would you know, of either tabloid it made the front page of the times a little bit, you know, if you like, I think it was like below the full just little like no, no art and it was. It was terrible. I mean, it was his top aide going to jail having done all this legal stuff next to his physical office and for us that didn't, you know de Blasio going to the gym would be front page news, but that's, but this, like the top aide going to jail was it. And I think we thought like the only way that the stuff would get covered is if someone actually called it out and that's what we did. So you talked about the difficulties raising money and have pressures that puts a campaign on people. Think about the TV as we could talk about that, but I'm curious a candidate time and like. Geography of it. How did your strategy figure out? We're trying to figure out the city versus attempting to build some sort of a base upstate tap into some of that resentment up there. How did you because it's a huge state. So how do you figure out? I mean, it was always very good to us. We would go up there and it was opened like open are the city was you know, looking at the map, looking at what was hard for zephyr for years ago. We always believe that Cindy is, could you celebrity for good in the city in a way that was different than we could actually get covered in New York City, which is a hard thing to do. So we. I spent a lot of time deciding we're going to, we're going to go into the city. We're going to talk about the subways because that is, you know, over half the states popular, you know, by visions in the cities, especially if you're looking at the democratic electorate and. And we want we were in the city a lot. I would say, I mean, upstate was pretty good for us. Their work like Cuomo cronies and buffalo that like if we tried to do an event up there, there was there was always like issues. So it would have to be like in a private space somewhere where they couldn't interfere, but it was just didn't do as well upstate as as teacher to two thousand fourteen treated. Treated on the race, teach out, spent her whole campaign upstate because she could get covered upstate. And she really, she's spent months and months every day all over the state in a way that we would, you know, pop, pop, and do. And we, I mean, we went a lot, but it was just, it was not. It was not every day. I mean, it was, you know, we did. You know, every other week, three days or something, and but we tried to hit key regions. I mean, we were, we were in buffalo, I would say more than the governor was in buffalo. We went to and Rochester, I mean, and we had some great seven in Ithaca to Utica. There was when we went there lying around the corner and then we can talk about where upstate begins. But in Newburgh, you know, there was a huge turnout for her. There was just a lot of there's a lot of excitement and curiosity around her candidacy policy talk. You know the old adage is good. Campaigns are about two things. Great campaigns are about all they want to or not. But obviously that she started running with the MTA. Of an issue. And then other issues came to the fore the universal rent control talking about juvenile Justice talking about ice, was that a decision to expand the policy conversation? Because the was getting traction with every coach is like hammering him to you every guest. So we did him empty. I mean, we hammered MTA every day every week Cuomo's MTA was often trending. We did a whole video just on the subways. I mean, we spent a lot of time on that, but people wanna know like, what are you stand for? And I think especially with the first time candidate, we, the onus was on us to create a whole lot of policy, so she would have deep policy knowledge, you know? So it was like we had policy positions on everything because we had to, and I think for whether you were talking about, you know, Medicare for all, or you're talking about a real Justice platform that talked about, you know, cash bail and things like, you know, like we Bosch and cash bail and and and really just talking about the Justice system and talk not systematic race. That was a key part of her candidacy. It wasn't. It wasn't to divert from the subway. It was in addition to, you know, there are so many issues. We need to focus on the subway, just not breakthrough with enough people. I mean, we needed money, like if we had run like ads, like I mean sh she one being the governor of Twitter, right? But like the problem was y- you had to reach a whole other block of people, and if you look, I when the numbers come through like the voting age, I mean, you can see like the younger you are. You know, I mean, we want under thirty. I'm sure probably under forty two, but you get to like fifty five. And it's just like jumping off a cliff. You know, it was just the people who are home watching TV were bombarded by Cuomo ads and we could not compete with that and we could not get the message across that he controls the subway even on Monday, which was the first I would say terrible subway day since the campaign ended. Like already I could see like people were not talking about the governor anymore, and it was like, you know, like it was like, there's no komo's MTA just everybody just, you know, crap it on the subway. Again, it really, you know, if this should be his legacy, he should take responsibility for it and he somehow is getting off the hook like people think, well, you know, I can't get to work on time and I might get fired, but at least Andrew Cuomo is going to protect me from from Donald Trump, you know? And that seems to be the takeaway from the election. Also, it seems like one of the goals was to break through among voters of color, a lot of time in Brooklyn central Brooklyn. That's where the campaign launched. Even a lot of these upstate cities are not just white progressives, although some of them are heavy on on those and it doesn't seem like that was successful. I would. I would actually push back. I think with young millennials of color was successful. I think we did reach them and I think we made a concerted effort to like go to their doors and talk to them and get them out to vote, and they did. Did right. I mean, they didn't come in as numbers as much as people who are older, but they definitely they definitely showed up for Cynthia and they were excited by Cynthia. What was interesting about upstate is there's a real. I was racism in New York state when you talk about upstate that we would post pictures of her in buffalo with people of color, and people would say, how come you're never upstate and it's just like an, there's this view of people upstate in the city, especially where they think they're like farmers, or you know what like that like upstate is actually incredibly diverse as well. Buffalo, Rochester Syracuse, and and it was. It was just and we did go. We did try in in the cities in urban areas. Virk communities of color. It was. It was hard, but we went for it. You know. Why they're strong. There's such strong support for Cuomo in those communities. I mean, his name, the Mario Cuomo name is gold, and I think that people, I mean that there's a reason he rushed to open a bridge after his unit named after his father before election day, and it's because the more he could convince people that he was married, a son, the more goodwill, he and that that was evident all over the place. You could always tell them and got a pullback because all of a sudden they would like us Maria's name again and again, and again, and then looking at turtle. Yeah. So you weren't with a lot of different counts, assess Cynthia, Nixon, 's sort of strengths and weaknesses as a cabinet is cool objectively. So Cynthia was joy to work for. She was absolutely just wonderful to all of us. And I think her staff just adored her in a way that you don't see that much with candidates because she, she's lovely. She is also very intelligent and nowhere was this wherever than policy. She got very into the policy very into the weeds and really, really like absorbed in a way that I've never seen of any official. And she always knew that there was a certain Gotcha to that. So she always wanted to know more stats. And I was always like, they're never going to ask you this. Then ever going to ask you this. And then after the daily news, Edward sexy, I told you. What about the high income tax rate in her defense, they asked her a hundred million questions and that was the one thing she didn't know. So that's what they off the top of head. She did know it. She just I can argue that, but she, she actually, she answered a ton of other questions. They just didn't leave with us. So my point is that she always knew that there was there was this burden on her, and but it was something that she was actually very good at, and I think it was hard as a staff with the Cuomo Cuomo staffers like mocking of hers, just an actress in the way that they look down on her just because she's someone who had great success in the arts, I think was a very hard thing for those of us who actually loved her and respected her because it was just so far off base and that was a caricature that last new, this actress thing and and the thing about Cynthia, she is someone who has been in the public eye for four years, worked harder than anybody and succeeded at the highest levels and they just couldn't. It was just there was just. Always this like like a condescending tone about just because she's not from the political sphere. So that was, I mean, so that was hard. We also, I mean, she spent a lot of time having to raise money like call time was a huge part of our campaign in prep time in a way like because she didn't know. Some of the, you know, she's no like the, you know where what area going into in terms of who represents it with history. There was a lot of this, and I think as a campaign, it was also hard for us when people said like, oh, she's not working that hard when she would be having fifteen hour days seven days a week because you just wasn't in front of the camera. Hold on. We had to prepare lot and I think call time was not fun. It was just a lot. A lot of calls weaknesses. We this is that she just had it's interesting, so she's not a political junkie, right? Everybody I've ever worked for loves politics, less top out a cluster. Talk palace intrigue less, go back and forth and the head no interest in the behind the scenes stuff. Right. And it's hard because you want you what your candidate till I get in with you and talk about seven, just like, that's like, let's talk more about, you know, I don't know what, whatever. Yeah, exactly. And so so it was hard because it was always like, you wanted to tell her all the background of everybody, and she just had no interest in in that kind of stuff. I would say it's, it's I, I mean, she worked harder than anyone. You know, it's so the weaknesses I think is just not having. It's not not knowing the policy. It's not knowing some of the politics I think was challenging for smokers to question, which is the question kept coming up. You have knows coming up with the question about experience, your experience. Do you feel like you ever had she ever adequately answered that? So I have a couple of theories here. One. I do think she adequately answered it sometimes, but at the end of the day, she never had the experience that people that older folks wanted. Right. I mean, she had it wasn't like she was going to answer the question a different time one time by saying, oh, actually, there's this ten thousand person company I off Iraq like she was never going to have that answer. And I think that was especially when you get to Ed boards. That was always going to be in her way. But in her defense in the debate of is like her first question. And I think that if it had been her third question, she would've answered it better, but it's always like, you know, it was. I think the debate was actually really hard. It was one of our, you know, as a campaign of one of our proudest moments just because I mean, she wasn't even in mock debate in high school. You know, she had to learn something completely new b. onus it and she was, she was amazing. So just out of curiosity in that debate prep. How'd you get ready? I mean, what? What were some of the keys? A lot of hours. I mean, that was August, frankly, was. Edward and debate prep and just going for everything. And I mean, she knew she knew it. She knew everything, but she's someone who because she likes to be so prepared wore us down. I actually set my family on vacation without me and it and just I was with her like it was. It was eighteen hours a day for that last which is. I mean, she was just like asthma more questions, and I'm like, I don't want to ask anymore. I want to go home and go to, you know, but it was. She was. She was very, very focused on the debate and she, it was. Yes, she she saw past debates. I mean, we weren't just studying the Cuomo film and we're also looking at the Marshall Creamer fill. You know what I mean? Like getting her ready and seeing how you know how he has of the debate. Honor said, just kinda seeing how it worked, but the whole setting was so weird, you know, desks like they couldn't talk beforehand. There was no walking onstage. They had to just sit there and wait. So it was very much felt like a Pomo press conference. So she wasn't quite ready for the question about whether she'd give her salary. We did not have on that question. She seemed very surprised by though. Yes, I know. But I thought it was she, we talked a lot about it after it's funny in terms of that, the burden on people who like how hard is to run for office and we should be making making a place where more people could do it. You can't do that if only rich people who reject salaries did you? Were she have any moments of saying, okay, on this experience question, we don't have a great answer for this. Let's really push back harder, you know. I mean, we did. I mean, if you think about it, we talked about what kind of experience people once you want people experience of running the MTA into the ground, you want the experience of spending a billion dollars in in money for upstate, that actually doesn't go to people because if you want that kind of experience, you have Andrew quality. So we, I mean she did talk about that. Yeah, but I mean, that's it was like there was there is a willingness from from younger voters to say, this isn't the experience I want. I want Cynthia and from older voters, it was just like, well, he's experienced and that that Trump doll and he hammered that. I mean, he saw the numbers, they hammered that heart, so it probably wouldn't have made a difference to the outcome. But just from a veteran strategist, looking back other anything's you would have done differently just because it in retrospect, would have been a better thing to do any moves or or steps. I think how we rolled out her being democratic social. I was a little rough and it. I won't go into the staff mechanics of how that happened, but it was something that was true to her and that I would have liked a longer conversation for her to articulate instead of like a political headline that said Cynthia Nixon? Yes, I am a democratic socialist. You know the day of the vote. So that was something that I wish we could have had more time dig flame to people in a way that didn't seem so scary to a lot of voters. And you know, I, in retrospect probably wouldn't have sat for all those Ed boards. We, we believed that when she got in the room and she held her own that even if they were gonna do a non like we didn't necessarily think we're going to get endorsements. But we did think we were going to get more paragraphs of support in terms of her smarts and her seriousness. And what we found is that before she even walked in the room, a lot of Edwards had already made up their mind and I think that was hard for us. I mean, that was definitely hard for me because if you look at what Edwards Tara ballum, what their core issues are and you look at how Andrew Cuomo has run the government. It's a pretty hard pill to swallow that they would endorse him. Before? Well, I guess before I was gonna ask you what you what you feel like you really accomplish, but before we get to that on that question of things that could have gone differently, maybe this is not a decision you made but to Blasi. Oh, endorsement. Could that have made a difference? Obviously we should, of course mentioned that you got him elected him or. Oh, I think there was way too much focus on the DuBois endorsement. Like I, it's Andrew. Komo's power is a very real thing. And the fact of the matter is Cynthia would never wanna put build a blase in a position where she said you, you know, you only this and he has to think about his city. Like there's like, I mean, it's a very real thing in terms of what the state threatens against the city. And I don't think simple would have ever been comfortable saying, I need you to do this for me. You know, I especially. I think maybe I mean, he is he there's a lot of support in the community for for him and that it would have been helpful, definitely in New York City. But it also would have turned the race into being about Bill Blasios and Andrew Cuomo. And we spent the first month of our campaign trying very hard not to make this about Bill of Blasi. This race was about Andrew Cuomo and and what he did or did not do for the people of New York. And that's what we wanted to focus on. What do you think the race Seagal. There's been a lot of talk about that from election night on sort of use this. Okay. There's a little thing I like to call the Cynthia fact, and I believe that this race. Didn't just push Andrew Cuomo two left. I think it made a lot of Democrats both here in the state and nationwide. Think about their positions a little bit more. I'm so proud of the work we did around marijuana legalization just in terms of talking about it as a criminal Justice issue, I think really made a long lasting impact, but there's everything from, you know, talking about plastic bags and you know climate to to to how I mean, there's across the board. I think we push push push the left, and I think it's something that a lot of democratic incumbents will think about going forward about what their constituents actually want, not just what Andrew Cuomo wants in. How does that work? Exactly. Because if your path to victory was so narrow, the public polls were maybe wrong. He didn't indicate that he was in any real danger. Maybe his internal should. Something with results suggests I would say is internal is probably should tighten. Probably not tight. Right, right. So why, why would he felt the pressure to move left because of Cynthia, as opposed to just that that's kind of where the Neil for the Democratic Party nationally? Well, I don't think Andrew Cuomo ever cared about where the needle is moving. I think it turned out like what was happening with him. Remember a year ago, he marijuana, a gateway drug. Cynthia Cynthia called for legalization got millions of us on her video. It became like a huge national topic. And then very next day. He said the facts of changed. The only thing that changed between with one day Cynthia Klein for it to be legal. So I mean, I don't. I think he felt the political pressure and I think he's still gonna feel it. I think that the the progressive base, you look at these IDC challengers who won the progressive basis activated, and we really believed that we accomplished people actually knowing what happens on a state level, which before six months ago, I don't think people really understood what was going on in Albany. Last couple of minutes here with Rebecca cats, who was the top tragedy on the Cynthia Nixon for governor campaign? So moving forward, you know, we're talking about it as if this campaign is completely over. Is the campaign completely over what she going to do about the working families party line issue to endorse governor Cuomo where we heading here? Very good question. Thank you. They are not yet. I'm thinking. So I think for the, what do you want to dive? Not much. I don't divulge. There will be some answers and they will be coming soon. She's indicated the only time she seemed to think really answer this question was when she was faced with the question of Cuomo or mall and the Republican nominee who spoke with earlier and the question, the answer she gave was, yes, Andrew Cuomo would be please a bad democrat. He's still preferable to the Republican democrat, like even a bad Democrats, slow democrat, Andrew, and Mark Malloch has a Republican, and I don't think it's just because Mark Nolan arrows now making some of the arguments that we made about corruption in state government and his inefficient and Andrew komo's inefficiency to run the subway doesn't mean that she supports Mark non are Cynthia Nixon is a democrat. She's always been a democrat, she will continue to democrat craft. So I don't expect me to tell us if running for mayor thought about that. But from an election for for governor was not even a week ago. Because I've got a lot of shows, you know, there's been ten Trump cycles since from a as a strategist and the student of politics. Do you think that she would be viable candidate for mayor based on what you've seen in this campaign? You know, it's funny because as a strategist, I seen a viable. A viable candidacy for her, but someone who is protective of her. I don't even want those rumors start right now because I mean she literally it hasn't even been a week, but I do. I do think she'd tapped into something. And that people were really excited, especially young people, you know, and every four years or you know, like everybody gets a little bit older. So you get your supporters grow and you get more and if only high school students could have voted the psycho, I feel like we will you about a lot more votes. So you know, I do think that she's a lot of strong support and and we'll see what she decides to do with that mayor not mayor. Do you expect her to be a voice in politics? I mean, she obviously already was with her activism and then of course that the Blasios support, but it was on and off. And do you expect her in two thousand nineteen even to be part of the discussion or. I believe she will be part of the discussion that she will be someone who will use her voice for. Good. So ask question, talk a little bit about how scary komo's power can be my some people didn't want to step into this race for you as a person who does politics professionally. Well, it'd be consequences for you having for someone who probably pissing people off. Yes, I believe he will come after me and my. What does that look like? We shall see. I can't wait to be audited. That'll be fun. But I think I think it is real and I think there's a reason that many other strategies in town didn't want anything to do with his race. It wasn't about Cynthia. It was always about infrequently. Well, that's Rebecca cats, the chief strategist for Cynthia Nixon for governor. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you for having me.
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