20 Episode results for "Gorilla"

Che cos' l'integrazione culturale?

Radio Negoziante Pro

01:43 min | 5 months ago

Che cos' l'integrazione culturale?

"If. That's More important than Kilwa. linked. Got Soon. It will Alec because I seen if he can take. CARE. Industry Poodle t the one of the entire body de la Vita. Delaware so and then the difficult to be. Stopped by the Disney playboy software at the kit political. Personal Essay at in India Al Toy Gorilla, Disney. Entertainment the pertaining to playboy southwesterly. Interpreting. Have Been The non-kill St. the gadget quasi causa. The have been mentioned is evenly chains are available. See Fun. It on. Water. Boy. Lamarque your SOPRA. Equality Gadget Oprah. Did at the time. Christy gadget. Be. In. To our because we got a big fan, no, no final news Dan to. Becky. On the media they decide. If they conquest debility fees itchy pasta in talented within Casa delay persona fossil chaotic boondock relativity living tigger cynical to. Say present in Alita. They look clean t Kostin demand equity the enemy in the quest. You opponent Kiala economically anti. CARE. To settlement at omen dot et love attention equipment. In. Allentown Novosel. The Island Majority. Thimphu civilian.

Alec India Al Toy Gorilla Disney Thimphu Delaware Becky Kilwa. Dan
NPR News: 02-02-2019 5PM ET

NPR News Now

04:52 min | 2 years ago

NPR News: 02-02-2019 5PM ET

"NPR podcasts are now. Available on every platform checkout. All our shows at NPR dot org slash podcasts. That's NPR dot org slash podcasts. Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Janine Herbst Virginia governor Ralph northern says he won't resign. His position after racists photos were discovered yesterday on his medical school yearbook page and at a tense press conference in Richmond today. He now says he's not either man pictured one in black face. The other one indicate robe this amid growing calls for him to resign from member station. W C V then pave your has more on Friday night, north apologize for appearing in the yearbook photo less than twenty four hours later. He said he was mistaken. There are a lot of people that are hurt by this. And I wanted to reach out to them after I did that last night. I sat and looked at the picture today. I've had the opportunity to talk to classmates, my roommate, and I am convinced that is not my picture, but the forty. A five minute press conference didn't seem to win over north many critics the Virginia black legislative caucus and Virginia. Senate Democrats both issued new statements calling for his resignation northern said he would consider doing. So if he couldn't affectively continue to govern for NPR news. I'm Ben pager in Richmond. Meanwhile, Lieutenant governor Justin Fairfax says he's saddened by the images and glad he apologized and while not calling for Northerns resignation. Fairfax a descendant of enslaved people in Virginia says he can't condone Northerns actions, even from the past which he says suggest a comfort with Virginia's history of white supremacy, racial stereotyping and intimidation or officials are reacting with resignation after the Trump administration announced its withdrawal from one thousand nine hundred eighty seven arms control treaty that marked the end of the Cold War. NPR's? Lucian Kim reports the Kremlin says the US long ago decided to exit the agreement. So there was nothing. Russia could do even before the announcement. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry peskov express certainty. The US would with. Draw from the IMF treaty seeing. The Trump administration was unwilling to listen to arguments that brushes actually incompliance. The Kremlin has said it won't respond to American ultimatums in that the end of the IMF treaty could cause a new arms race in Europe. NPR's? Lucian Kim reporting Atlanta is getting ready to host the Super Bowl tomorrow as Emma hurt of member station. W A B reports officials are not taking any chances with security which will be tight. The department of homeland security has about twenty five agencies and six hundred people working the Super Bowl, it's among the highest security events. The government gets involved with that doesn't even include all the local and state agencies involved to Atlanta police chief Erica shields toll WABC that they've been planning for two years. You have to have plans for every possible scenario, you have to think of every possible thing that could go wrong and have enough personnel. The appropriate personnel. All police are on mandatory twelve hour shifts about a million people are expected to visit the Super Bowl festivities downtown for NPR news. I'm a hurt in Atlanta. And they also have about ten thousand security cameras. This is NPR. But Francis is preparing to head to the United Arab Emirates tomorrow. He'll be the first leader of the Roman Catholic church to set foot in the Arabian peninsula. The cradle of Islam and Piersilvio Pohjola reports the pontiff's visit comes as the UAE launches a campaign to become a model. Religious tolerance in a video message. Pope Francis, hailed the emerets as a model for coexistence at human fraternity a meeting point of different civilizations and cultures that we won't throw a place where people find a safe place to work live freely. And we're differences are expected. It will it will be a landmark in the Arabian peninsula. The pope has been allowed to celebrate an outdoor mass that's expected to draw one hundred thirty five thousand Catholics mostly migrant workers from Asia Francis will also attend an interreligious event as part of what the UAE has branded its year of tolerance while there's more religious freedom in the UAE than in neighboring Saudi Arabia. We're only Islam is allowed non Muslims are still advised to keep a low profile, Sylvia. Poggioli NPR news Rome, a male silverback gorilla loan to California group as a possible made for KoKo the gorilla who learned a large amount of sign language sending back to Cincinnati zoo. A federal judge made the decision saying at twenty fifteen agreement between the Cincinnati zoo and botanical garden and guerrilla foundation to return and Dumais after Coco's death has to be enforced. Coco died in June at the age of forty six the zoo sued after the gorilla foundation reneged on an agreement claiming that Indu mate would be harmed by the move. This is NPR.

NPR NPR Virginia United Arab Emirates Richmond Pope Francis Lucian Kim Atlanta US Cincinnati zoo Justin Fairfax Janine Herbst Washington IMF Kremlin gorilla foundation Dmitry peskov Ralph northern
December 27, 2019: Dian Fossey Found Murdered

Today in True Crime

13:41 min | 1 year ago

December 27, 2019: Dian Fossey Found Murdered

"Today is Friday December twenty seventh two thousand nineteen on this day in nineteen eighty five. Live primatology Diane. Fossey was found murdered at her research. Camp in Rwanda to this day. Nobody knows who killed her. Or why. Welcome to today in true crime prime a podcast original due to the graphic nature of today's crimes listener discretion is advised extreme. Caution is advised for listeners under thirteen gene. Today we're covering the murder of famed gorilla researcher Dian Fossey. Let's go back to Rwanda's Baru. Mga Mountains undescended twenty-seventh nineteen eighty-five around six thirty. AM The sun had barely risen over the camera Sochi research camp when thirty four year old Wayne Gene McGuire was startled awake by men shouting and Soi Healy before McGuire could process what was happening. A frightened camp worker burst I into his cabin and pulled him out of bed. McGuire could see a swarm of activity around one of the cabins. At the edge of the camp it belonged to his fifty-three-year-old Mentor and fellow. Gorilla researcher Dian Fossey. Something was wrong. Very sorry wrong. McGuire sprinted down the one hundred yard path and entered Fossey's dwelling. The tiny cabin had been ransacked as maguire cleared the overturned furniture and scattered boxes. He could see Fossey lying on the ground in her bedroom room. Her head propped up on the bed. McGuire thought she might have suffered a heart attack but when he got closer he saw the true cause of death. Fossey's face had been split open with a machete. Her killer had entered the cabin by cutting a hole in the tin citing. Next to Fossey's bed it was a sign that the murderer had known her. Well enough to be familiar with the cabins layout the gun. Lying next to Fossey's bed indicated that she had tried to fight back but the effort had been too little too late due due to the camps isolated. Location in Rwanda's Ruge Mountains. It took five hours for the police to arrive when they searched the cabin they they found twelve hundred. US dollars in cash along with seventeen hundred dollars worth of traveler's checks clearly this wasn't aerobically. Due to the attacks. Precise nature random violence could be ruled out to someone had wanted. Dian Fossey Dead Ed. Although it may seem strange for someone to want to murder the primatology just fosse had no shortage of enemies for years. She had led anti-poaching patrols through the mountains misty overgrown forests in retaliation the poachers killed many of the guerrillas in the troop fossey observed the most so when Fossey caught one of these hunters. She felt justified. Getting violent. Went with them following the murder. Fellow primatology just Kelly Hardcourt told Vanity Fair fossey would torture the poachers she would whip their testicles with stinging nettles spit on them. Kick them put on masks and curse them stuff sleeping pills down on their throats. She reduced them to quivering quaking packages of fear but the poachers weren't the only people. Oh fossey mistreated. She was extremely abusive towards her own staff as well. According to Kelly Harcourt Fossey had a perfectly colonial oneal attitude toward the Africans on Christmas. She'd give the most extravagant presence to them other times. She'd humiliate them once. I even even saw her spit on one of the workers. She would break into their cabins and accused them of stealing and dock. Their pay unfortunately leave. The murderer hadn't left behind any evidence even in a camp full of skilled trackers. Nobody was able to figure out where the killer color had gone. But maybe that was because the killer hadn't gone anywhere maybe they were still in the camp coming up the police track down some suspects Today true crime is supported by better help online counseling people often portray their happiest self to others. Whether it's is at work or on social media we often make it appear that we have everything figured out but a lot of times. We don't I know that I don't and if you're like me it's it's not always easy to ask for help and find counseling. This is where better help can help you. Better help offers. Licensed counselors who specialize in a variety of issues issues including depression and anxiety as well as trauma anger family relationships and so many others. And if finding a counselor that lives close close to you has been an issue. Better help allows you to connect privately with your counselor through text chat phone and video calls. You can get help at your own pace hace and on your own time and best of all you can get help. At an affordable rate today and true crime listeners will get ten percent off their first month with Discount Code today in true crime. That's better help dot com slash today in true crime. Why not get help? Better help dot com slash today in true crime now back to the story on December Twenty Seventh Nineteen eighty-five famous gorilla researcher. Dian Fossey was found murdered at her camp in Rwanda's Veru mountains. Although the killer had vanished there was no shortage of potential suspects. Fossey was aggressive towards the areas poachers ars and known to be abusive with her own staff as well shortly after the funeral on December thirty first nineteen eighty five the Rwandan ondon police made an arrest. Five of Fossey's trackers were taken into custody and placed in the Ruhengeri prison there were two motivating factors behind the arrests. I the murder weapon which had been found Fossey's bed came from the research cap up second. The police felt the trackers had behaved suspiciously at the funeral. However the logic behind behind both of these points was extremely tenuous? The police were unable to properly take fingerprints from the murder weapon because it was passed back and forth between between so many people between its discovery and it being placed into evidence as for the so-called suspicious behavior at the funeral. It was down down to a cultural misunderstanding. During the event one of Fossey's American colleagues gave one of the trackers a hug. This gesture is extremely extremely uncommon in Rwanda even in sad circumstances like a funeral strangers would only shake hands. Since this American colleague League was known to clash with Foxy the police assumed that she and the trackers had conspired together they believed the trackers had carried out the murder order on the American colleagues behalf. Ultimately the trackers were never charged with any crime although it took several months for them to be released from prison they didn't face any further punishment in mid January area of nineteen eighty six. The police stumbled onto a new lead. Instead of the killer coming from inside the research camp they thought it may have have been a poacher. This belief came from a letter Fossey had written about an encounter with a poacher that past November evidently fosse captured a poacher and discovered magic charms on his person these items were so important to the poacher that Fossey's Guards had to restrain rain him even though the poacher was put in prison Rwandan. Jails didn't have the same security measures as American correctional institutions as long as he had enough money. The poacher could have easily hired some muscle to break into Fossey's cabin and retrieve his charms then when Fosse woke up during the break in the intruder killed her with one of the camps machetes unfortunately proving that this poacher had arranged the attack doc on Fossey was nearly impossible to prove nevertheless the investigations continued and by mid nineteen eighty six. The police lease finally formally charged a suspect but it wasn't a poacher. It was Wayne Maguire. The graduate researcher sure who was one of the first people to find Fosse's body. According to the Rwandan Wander Government Mcguire had killed his mentor in order to steal the manuscript of her upcoming book as evidence. They pointed to hairs clenched clenched. In fossey's hands laboratory tests showed that they belonged to a white person and Maguire was the only Caucasian at the camp at at the time of the murder. Additionally the government claimed McGuire had taken two boxes of papers from Fossey's cabin after the murder her even though Maguire was no longer in the country the Rwandan government went ahead with a trial in absentia. With no defense present McGuire ear was found guilty and sentenced to death by hanging ultimately. This verdict was likely mostly for show. Rwanda didn't have have an extradition agreement with the United States and made no attempt to actually make sure that Maguire was punished for his alleged crime. Furthermore the American authorities never seemed to seriously consider him a suspect as of two thousand nineteen. There have been no new developments in the Dian Fossey murder case but while her murder may never be solved her legacy legacy lives on her foundation now known as the Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund International continues to Promote Mountain Gorilla Conservation Survey Chion while the foundation doesn't use the same aggressive tactics as its founder. It plays an extremely important role in protecting these highly intelligent primates and for that Diane Fossey would surely be grateful. Thanks for listening today and true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson and for more stories. Like this check out the podcast original unsolved murders true crime stories. Today in true crime is a park. Cast original you can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only to spotify already. Have all of your favorite favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite parkhouse originals like today and true crime for free from your phone desktop shop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify. Just open the APP and type today in true crime in the search bar at Parkas. Were grateful eight full for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast. Our cast network. We'll be back with a brand new episode tomorrow in True Crime. Today in true crime was created. Aided by Max Cutler is a production of cutler media and is part of the podcast network it is produced by Max and Ron Cobbler. Sound design by Karie Murphy with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly Madden Freddie Beckley and Joel Stein. This episode of today in true crime was written by Alex. Benetton with writing writing assistance by Maggie Admire. I'm Vanessa Richardson.

Kelly Harcourt Fossey Fossey Diane Fossey Rwanda Wayne Gene McGuire murder Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund Inter Fossey Dian Fossey Wayne Maguire researcher fosse Vanessa Richardson United States spotify Mga Mountains Sochi sleeping pills Kelly Hardcourt
Ref Week Pt 2 - Mike Chioda Talks 35 Years in The WWE

Talk Is Jericho

1:14:15 hr | 7 months ago

Ref Week Pt 2 - Mike Chioda Talks 35 Years in The WWE

"Ricco Talk Ricco. Welcome to talk is Jericho is the potter. Thunder and rock and roll, and here we go with the Duff mccague joke of the week. Jericho I'm doing until you. Raised just leave a voicemail. They restrict restrictive is odd. Anyhow sentiment. This phone call I just got back from. The doctor and our. Orthopedic shoes were a bunch of who you know. But he suggests that Tryon You know now I stand corrected. Thank you very much. Right. It makes me laugh just thinking duff mccague. Worrying Orthopedic. Shoes middle of pandemic. Thanks for delivering every single Friday without fail. Thanks everyone has been hanging out with me on Saturday nights the Sunday. Special has been going strong since the lockdown started, and even though some things are starting to reopen and reclosing in some cases like it's going to be a while before we can go out and see shows and party with her friends. In the bars, etc, succumb hanging out with me tomorrow night. It's a special time. It's going to be ten PM, eastern? On facebook live and my Youtube Channel Ten PM usually at nine PM. Ten PM on Saturday night. Bring your questions. We're GONNA continue the Q. and A. as spelled E. H.. Sing along requests. Bring your beverages and come have some fun We had some connection issues last week because I was at an undisclosed location the thunderstorm but I'm back at home with my fine scenery behind me. That'd be tomorrow night at ten PM special time on facebook live on my official Youtube, channel, we'll see all right today as part two of REF, week and I've got my longtime friend and longtime WB referee Mike Iota is what does. He spent thirty five years with Debbie before it was released just a few months ago, he'll tell you all about the circumstances surrounding his release and. Sharing a lot of stories, the talent he worked with over thirty five years. They use matches. He called the ribbing. He took on road trips some stuff you learned in his early days working for gorilla monsoon, Tahoe brock listener, big show match. The ring collapsed the six man tag. He wrestled in with me and the Rock against the delays Nick Patrick totally forgot about that one. He's got some great memories of China, and some of the stuff that would happen in the locker room between the boys and Mike Steven got his first ever t-shirt available at pro wrestling tease dot, com lots going on with Mike Iota, and you hear it all starting now on talk is Jericho. So one thing that's very rare and professional wrestling is long. You can get a Gig with the company for three years four years five years. You're doing well, but we've been in a company for thirty one years. Let's get to be kind of record. I'd have to say or one of the longest ten years of history and that's. That's the tenure of Mike Yoda. In. World Wrestling Entertainment World Wrestling Federation and Mike Is There anybody that was there longer than you that you know of yeah, not as far as veteran I've been in the Business Chris Thirty five years with the company, but thirty one years when we'll debuted refereeing back in the day. You just didn't come on. Just come on, you know. And just be a referee. You pay dues, right? Bring crew dues, and the like I did rain crew and travel the trucks. For twenty years. And refereed and stuff and chief Jay strongbow made me referee way back in the day in the mid eighties, so you're talking thirty five years with the WB. That's insane nets. And Yeah. I actually worked for gorilla monsoon when I was fifteen and sixteen. Up The rings Joey Morella and Victor Key ONA's used deputy rendering crew back in MD as for gorilla. Gorilla owned certain territory in South Jersey Philadelphia. Spectrum and While with New Jersey and everything in is to do the crew on the summertimes and on the weekends off. From school so when when you're talking about that long. Tony Jemma been there that long. The Tony Chihuahuas been thirty eight years. Yes, use it thirty eight years. And then he was ranked crew and ring announcer, and then became a I was doing rain crew in and I became the referee. We were kind of the complete set as the ring crew coming from the northeast New Jersey. where it was just the Yadda ring announcer referee in both guys stroke the trucks and set up the rings for many years. longevity Chris as a great statement to make because That's when I grew up in a grill. Monsoon enjoy Morella and his family. Out of new willing, Bro, new! Jersey Grillo like I wanted the arrests or when. I came back into wrestling and ask Curriculum Joey for job. After my father took a stroke when I was seventeen. So I knew saint always brought me great money working on the weekends. bobby four cars by the time I was seventeen and I. Mean you know bunch? Start the Diet best waterbed in nineteen as I think. I mean I mean I. Made a lot of money on the road, a five hundred bucks a night on the road when you're fifteen sixteen. That was that was great money huge sure. I ask Grill back for job. Own I wanted to be a wrestler. And he turned around and he seeing the taking snap bumps and everything snap, you know. Snap suplexes and all this other stuff in a ring with the boys when we'd subterranean. Guys get there early and he goes. Hey, look. The longevity gene is business is refereeing, and that's what I told Joey, and that's what I'm GonNa. Tell you so if you WANNA learn how to bump as a referee I, get it, but stopped trying to be one of the boys because you're not and I took that advice Chris in that was very good advice, and and that's why I think I've lasted this long because I taken some great advice from some old school talent well, let's just talk briefly about the events of the last month or so. When there was kind of the release, the happens every year after Wrestlemainia, obviously even worse now with the pandemic loses. Some of that kind of took you by surprise. Did you Kinda see it common yet? Chris took me by. Complete surprise. I had surgery in October verse come in Alabama and I had torn rotator cuff and torn Eissa. So went through surgery in Alabama Dr do Gibson surgery went grade. Healed up gray and I was ready for Wrestlemainia, actually signed a new contract and middle of March. My contract is up actually little bump in pay, and then I get a phone call on tax day April fifteenth. So he had to by complete surprise. It was there a reason given for a guy of of your longevity which we said. No, there was no reason he I asked if it came from certain people like Vince Stephanie No. It didn't. It's not like they pulled me out of a hat. And said okay. We have to cut the company Mike. Yoda's salaries started of the thing. You know it was just it was I. think some completely different I. Don't know if it's he or but how can you have if you've been offered six months rehabbing? And you know I haven't even been on twitter and facebook since two thousand fifteen, so at the we by complete surprise Chrissy, how it's interesting because you see that kind of happening with the the law. The first thing that pops into my head is mark, and yes, when they did the same thing to him, he's another guy that had been there for years. It just out of nowhere. He's gone. Like. You said you're going to cut costs, but this going to start with Mike Yoda and Mike Mark Eaton's contract. That's GonNa make a difference. You know that's correct I? Mean that's you know you know I asked him. actually said you know I kind of figured. He put me on the chopping block editor tr so. May got past somehow so Yeah, I don't know where the game from I mean haven't been on the road in six months and you know my career is definitely not over I definitely got plenty plenty left, and whether it's inside the ring of outside the ring in training, referees and work with talent, and so forth well, the thing is like you mentioned one thing you can't. Teach is experience either. have it or you don't and for you I mean you e I. I'm coming up on my thirtieth year and you are even eclipse that, but let's talk about you mentioned. You know how you started with gorilla and you know kind of did the ring trucks and all that sort of thing. Let's talk about how the business was back know thirty five years ago, carry the three. That's one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty five. I mean that's almost free wrestlemanias just as the expansion started. US. What was the company like back? And how did things work as far as your job was I? Got Put on a trial period. Working for gorilla monsoon, even before I started full time with the company, I would get fifty bucks for. Fifty Bucks for taking robes, fifty bucks playing music. And in fifty bucks for timekeeping Tim O. Ring announced an end before the show. I remember jaw- morale and I'm guys in like back in the day Dick Wurley. Enjoy Morella certain Of course they didn't sell. The young guy had a selo the programs. So when Victor said. Hey, goes programs I was like how much appropriately dollar piece right he goes yet, and I said. How much do I get? He goes ten cents off the dollar. Off Man sets it. I went out and so three thousand programs Kano. John covered the boardwalk or down the Jersey Shore Wildwood I made three hundred dollars selling programs in two hundred dollars Arnie sculling kgo eight. Good, would you do? You'd have to cigar in his mouth and everything in the back and with that briefcase full of money. Okay this this this out hunting. He goes okay. Get here, go five hundred. And I'm like man. I'll sell programs all the time. I just love the the lack of of corporate back in those days where you guys were the entire, the entire show ring crew drive the trucks setting up the ring selling concessions whatever needed to be done. Was Your job you? Remember back in the day like when I was. It was I, was at young and and. Andre, the giant, sitting back in New Jersey and some townsley remember him saying it could give me vodka. Give me some wine and I'm like. Like Like I'm not even old enough. You know like I. Don't I? Don't know how to you know I can't get. I can't get it for you and I remember like was Paul Roma. Bunch of guys and Steven Bardy. Thank bunch of you say no two Andre. And I'm like what it was like. We're Tony, green and everything with. They were tag team I think back then. I'm Tony Greenberg Martel. And he said you can't say note Andrea. While am I. GonNa get it, they said. How would you get out golf underage now anyway? I said I'd say their way liquor store. And then ask somebody give them cash and give me the beer or something. That you're, GonNa. Do it now. So I started doing. And I was like sitting there. When Andre Hundred Dollar. Bill Open I. Wasn't going to you know. Get. Robbed of like Guy, not coming back out with his, it added ranch line. It had to be like this French wine I. Think I believe it was like a stolen car. He drank. It was only certain things that he drank. You know but when I came through when he took me, fifty bucks be like. You know and I'm like. This raises dumped. Thanks good playing cards I like no problem. Andrei yes boss. To give you a tip or anything like that. Oh, yeah! He's ten heavy, yeah. Definitely then used to buy beer when I was not even of Asia, but the guy most of the time. We just take your money walk in one door. Walk out the other side. You'd never see him again, right? That's. About right and I gotta go back. This guided seven foot, five hundred twenty pounds, and I'm like. I'm like I'm going to kill the boys if they lose this money 'cause they're telling me to go do this. So talk about your road schedule back in back then because that's what it was I mean I'm just thinking. You've seen everybody. Come and go in there Andre all the way up now to drew McIntyre and everyone in between. So, what was the schedule like back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty six when you started on the road? Yeah schedule was top of that stuff. That's something that you are definitely sacrificed home stuff like Tony I. WE'RE ON A road for like at least two hundred eighty sometimes three hundred days a year. It's insane and that's no. Exaggeration. That's shoot right. No, that's that's a shoot that bleed shoe Chris. I mean for for the first eleven or twelve and white say eleven twelve years like. American, a call from Chimoio, after twelve years did thanks on Thanksgiving Day we did survivor series in Richfield Ohio but we weren't home for like twelve years on Thanksgiving Day because we stabbed to leave on like right ear Tuesday to set up in Richfield driving on hours after thirty. Then I mean. We were on a road constantly in Europe tours when we started those. We do seventeen days in Germany. In buses and everything you know. those were some fun. Trips Germany everywhere in England and every you know around round the world. So yeah I mean. We had a set up the ring. Get prepared, do everything during the show and then and then once I started refereeing all that yet. A tear down to rain drive the truck go to the next down, and there was a time, so we had double shots I. Don't know if you remember them back in it. Oh. Yeah, yeah, we have the double shots where we had one show at one o'clock in Syracuse like another show at seven thirty, eight o'clock in Utica New York so we breakdown quick get to the hockey arena. and Boom set back up and do the show again, but it was great because it was double. Pay Right all right, so let's talk about some of the more colorful characters York with Mike in the eighties when you were just starting be at the time, but before we do know Lottie, listening right now spend a lotta time during lockdown, cleaning, garages and closets and your homes. If you discovered a bunch of stuff that you don't use anymore. You don't know what to do with it. You definitely need Macari the selling APP. Trust me I know I got three kids in my house. That means a lot of clothes and shoes toys, sporting equipment old phones devices take valuable space all the stuff. The kids have outgrown or just don't use anymore. We gathered it all up and sold it on. macari is an APP that makes selling the stuff. You no longer use or need super, fast and super easy. That's why it's called the selling. APP, so you round up the stuff you want to Celtic. If you pictures at a description and boom, you're items listed. macari will mail you a shipping label, and it sells everything ships. You don't have to deal with awkward. meet UPS with strangers, no face to. No in person, all safe and socially distanced the macari APP is over six hundred thousand reviews on the APP store. With an average four point, eight star rating, and with millions of people using the macari APP, all fifty states the stuff really sell, so why not give it a try sell or buy almost anything on Macari? You can find macari on the. APP. Stores on Cari Dot Com. It's M. E.. R. C., A. R.. I. Macari the selling. Some of those those tours back in the days in the eighties had some pretty colorful characters who were some of the guys that stood out as being kind of more. More Raucous and crazy out of the dudes that were there. Yeah. Definitely like. I remember like. God, at least a loved to go out at night, like about a few nicknames in his in his business in over three decades. With the business and I it started. Kiki, the optimist cookie optimus, right. And I know right. I Love Statement I let. You always said that Kiki optimist. and. That's true man. You gotta be optimistic I. Always Remember saying Oh. My God, there's another place to go somewhere you know. So, it used to go back in those days. You had some nicknames. Start out with start off with cody razor. Ramon now. Hulk Hogan they. They started me off a coyote back in the day. So. and I remember I was like. nicknaming you coyote, because everytime just howling at the moon at night after the show just always tastes in that moon. I! saw that stuck for awhile and then. I guess when the rock came around. He started. He Goes Coyote, not like that nickname. Chichi I said Gee. I said I'll kind of like that because that's too bad, you're stuck with Chichi. Whatever the Rock said win, you know yeah, so it didn't gt came around, but That game like Kiki I think a lot of. the unbelievable female talent this business They started that some years ago. So they they wanted to turn around and wanted the girls were like Geeky and it just it just duck you know I remember when I 'cause. We used to work together quite a bit. You and me and the Rock. You're always our referee. And it was Chichi, and then when I left for a couple of years and came back. Everyone's saying Keith I'm like no, it's. Cheats you! What are you talking about like Kiki? What are you talking about right? Bit of a change in those few years. As a truth, that's that's true, too that that is definitely the truth, 'cause somebody guys come back, and they go. Who's Kiki, you know? Oh when when's his name? Become Kiki Kano. And Even Shane but Shane came back and we were doing takers. Match and The member. He was going back and he said this matches you for me. I want to be my referee I was always kinda changed refereed to as well and. Any of these when he came back, he said I will kick your Rep. You match these Kiki Rebels Kiki. And he comes up to me. Because who'd, I'll give you that nickname I said I know I said you know people giving nicknames I guess he just don't choose them. Right so who are some of the guys that you worked with quite exclusively? That kind of wanted you to be there all the time I. Remember back in the day. It was bred on house, shows and stuff like that and TV's and stuff like that after Joey was gone. Brad Hart. It was a lot of guys like the rock wanted to be. Do matches is. And I mean I remember like Brock glasner inserting. Guys have asked for me. Sometimes insert matches and. It was always a good thing when Mike ways came to me and said. They want you to be the referee in this match, so it was. It was a ton of talent over the years. What's the big deal to have the right because you have to trust the guys? That you're working with or in this case. A W, girls avi, Edwards is the one I always request because you have to have a certain chemistry with somebody and know that they're going to be in the right place at the right time or not be at the in the in the wrong place. There's a real style to what's your kind of your theory on how to be a good referee? A theory. deadly. To, know how to feel the crowd, you have to feel the crowd. You have to feel the ring. When you're taking a bomb in certain spots, you may not have nothing to feed off of like whether it's a big screen off the monitor or the. You've just got to either feel the crowd. What's going on in ring by himself or you gotTa feel the bump that you know where the crowds are going to react to where you know. You're spots coming back up to come out of a bump. You have to be at the right time. You have to definitely be there 'cause as much as you guys worked so hard, Chris. The referee has to be there at certain spots and nasty. Definitely, know what's going on with experience you know as far as. I think the good referee is not seen so much, if you. If you quite understand what I'm saying there, it's he's only there when he's supposed to be. You know what a referee has seen too much or To knows I mean that's what gorilla monsoon and Pat Patterson a lot of people say when when you don't notice the referee that match. The referee has done his job so and of course you do need to know how to work with. Both talent I think you know it's I. See referees used always go up to one guy. Let's make sure you get with the. He'll make sure you know how to work around the he'll in how he wants you to work around him with his spotting with in getting heat or anything same way with the baby face. Just don't put it to one guy. Get everything. They want you to work with them. And you gotta put your input to protect yourself as referee. and. That's a great point and let me ask you this being in there for decades and decades. What we're kind of the rules that were given to you as a referee throughout the years because I know that Vince would change his mind. Seemingly every six months to what's legal and what's not legal tell, but some of those those restrictions and and things that happened well the rules I. Mean like when I grew up in his business when it was like. When I seen Dino Bravo, come in and a lot of guys in. Shawn Michaels and everything in the Rougeau brothers and the British bulldog. A referee. The rules with damage inside the ring is that. You had to be there. There was a tag match, and there is a baby face coming in. St Minute to get the the. He'll on a spot, and if you didn't cut him off, they would be hard you. Earn spots to where 'cause he would make dating basic stupid if they if he got to the he'll. You know right on certain. He spots and stuff like that. Because you know, they always say, don't let me get to him. You know if you do know right, so you know enters a lot of things with false finishes keeping close counts. The rules in the business now definitely but I I see rules dicamba just. One day. The next day at something else you know you know. With the rules as far as the five count, these days is very strict. The ten count is very strict, but then that's played with you. Know on and off. Count. Shoulders shoulder is very strict role as far as you know pinfolds and everything. How do you mean making sure that the shoulders actually down? That's correct. Yeah, all soldiers down if one shoulders shouldn't county. And certain things where referees gotTA. Get cues accuser huge. Spot calling I think spot. Calling is what I learned. When I was in the business started referee rings spot calling. You know back to talent to talent and. That's something I was always very well doing yes, and I. Use my referee quite a bit relay messages. And you have to. You have to able to trust the guy because lot of times you don't have. Twenty seconds to tell them to get up on the ropes, and then he's GonNa. Say don't watch or tell them. Look over here, right? Get attention or something like that. You know very quick white. Yeah, like when I grew up, I tried to tell reps a lot to these days I would. Somebody climbs up to the top rope. Kick them in the other guys selling on I grew up to where it was like the rest of. US me and say okay. His he up and I'd be like he's up. He's ready. He's writing. He didn't WANNA. Look back or look under his arm or. He's selling a big spot where he's trying to get up to his feet and I'm the his cue, I'm you know I'm helping him helped me to as well and I'm like a okay. He's up on the ropes. He's ready. You know in that something like I do want to drive by or some just to let them know so 'cause they never wanted to look back and look under their shoulders or anything like that. So in its communication between a referee in and arrest lers huge in the ring. She mentioned before like as far as you know. Counting the shoulder down, that's thing. was there ever? Circumstances and tell us if there was where you had to count to three wasn't supposed to be the finished because the guy didn't kick out. Oh, yes, every time. Yeah, tell tell us what happened there. Yeah, there was not too long ago a couple of years ago with Shinsegei Nakimora and art truth. And I remember Ronnie. Goes A small package. One time and an elderly small packs to mcgann, but then he small packages second time or something or no the first time. And he was supposed small package. Tim Twice and in Lake. Since Gate in like really almost kickout or something, and I'm like counted three. Reminding goes. That wasn't finished to goes are supposed to small package McGinnis. Why would you small package from twice? told me once in a back. He goes. Oh my my bad dog. I'm sorry. But he had won that title. So, it was it was funny there. Is. There's quite a few times where I've had account three on certain situations. Guys just didn't kick out or account ten when they're outside the ring. Do you get heat from the guys when that happens? Back in a day you would get leaper, not these days. You didn't get it. They may be hot. But if they didn't kick out, or they didn't get back into the ring account at ten. You know That's that's their own fault. You know you're GONNA. Get Heat if you don't. Count them. That's correct. Yeah, you get the office most definitely. You'll get a lot of heat. In guerrilla! So I mean you have to do your job and to pretty much straightforward to your job all the way through with the rules. Even there is no rule book yet. We're still waiting for that thinking about right one. Talk About Your interactions with Vincent man over the years, but I got to say. Thank you to on the sponsors making rough week. Possible here in talk is Jericho, and that's rocket mortgage by quicken loans home. Today is so much more than it was yesterday, but at rocket mortgage home is still all about you. During these challenging times roll experiencing the top priority at rocket mortgage. Mortgage is the health and safety of the communities they serve, and while things are changing quickly every day. One thing that will never change is their teams commitment to giving you the best mortgage experience possible. That's why if you need mortgage support. Their team of experts is there to answer questions and offer solutions for you. The understand that hardships happen and they are here to help. Or that means working with you to save money on your mortgage or finding a new way to navigate payments. If you have questions, the team at rocket mortgage has the answers. They know how important your home is to you because you are important to them. If you need mortgage assistance, the home loan experts at rocket mortgage are available to help twenty four hours a day seven days a week from their home to yours. The team at rocket mortgage is with us, so visit rocket mortgage dot com slash Jericho to learn more. That's rocket mortgage dot com slash Jericho call for cost, information and conditions equal housing lender licensed in all fifty states and mls consumer access dot Org number three zero three zero. Interactions with Vince over the years. Over the years is just you know how you doing Vince how inserting? Mike? How's everything going? Everybody family good. Yes, sir, you know. It was always a good relationship on a fly in Vince is a very busy man. Their retirement years ago, we had more conversations at anything. Not so many in the last so many years, but Vince comes out of the office. Goes a gorilla in. You know they'll be there for some rehearsals and so forth. But My my relationship with dense was was awesome over thirty five years. was there ever a time when he gave you specific instructions? I Hey Mike I need you to do this. Go out there and make sure this happens. Yes, yes, he said I, need you. To put these rules into effect, a lot of rules and help this young talent period and I. Don't care whatever you do I will back you up. You know so. He was always telling me like. Make sure you you if you have to count him out I, don't give a damn. You do your job at ring. Make them work around you. dimes I did that. So how was it over the years? When because I mean for a while year referee Mike Yoda, and then there was a time when Vince doesn't want. Announce any referees names, so you're just the referee. What did you think of that? Yeah, I mean I didn't get that because I believe it was the they were kind of saying my name too much and the referees name too much. And I remember it wasn't with me though, but it was with another Burri which he didn't recognize their name. And, he was kind of like who is this? WHO's this? Whose whose name is this? And they said Oh. It's the referee and he goes Oh God dammit. He was like I'm done here in referees name. I don't want to hear their names no more. So I was like well. Thanks it out. Like they were putting his name over too much and he just he didn't recognize the referees name I believe that's what I was told, and that's a classic Vince. He sees one name. He doesn't recognize the suddenly. Everybody's name never mentioned again. That's it done. Until until he goes. Why are we mentioned the name dammit? Why are we? Right referees they don't sell tickets. They comp tickets. I So. Let's go back to to when you first start in the eighties and that crazy timeframe. How was the business changing around them? Because you mentioned you started in eighty, five, eighty six, and suddenly. There's this huge expansion. Who Vince is taking over all the territories, yeah. Well we I already Tony Chimney by and everything under ring, crews and stuff. Increase we played music at a show not at. All live events we played music to it. Dole Cassette boombox. And we had the microphone for Tony. Jim For ring announcer I take I would have a backup Mike that we'd have a hard Mike that would just put it right up tip boombox. And like at first I had this one cassette player. BOOMBOX! I had to cassette. It was like Oh my God. It moved up in the world. I haven't I play cassettes right right after another right, so and I remember the tapes used to get stuck, and everything achieved Jay, strongbow or Jack Jack Glands are renegotiate. They come walking down the and I'm trying to play music or something and a tape I'd be pulling the table trying to put it back in then tape like string out delay twenty inches long because it's stuck somewhere. I. Would have to come out with no music. yeah, the The change has been used from where what we? Started doing live events, and even on TV's were. is where we're at now. has just it's a huge huge huge difference. It's unbelievable sometimes. See like either fights breakout in the ring between the guys or there's Fan. Did. Did you ever have to be caught in the middle of any of those in the ring or dressing room? Yeah, I've been caught through a lot of those Receipts Potato the shit out of me. In light of you know I the boys when like one guy wanted to boys with potato somebody else. And I mean there was one thing you'll remember the Russo's. And the British bulldog dynamite kid. And I was in this. We're in this elementary school down in locker. Room. And I just got done refereeing a match. And they were each other and then next thing you know like. Dynamite just smacked. You know jock. Oh, you know. An started a big fight Daria just Kinda wasn't even really a fight. It was just Econo-. Smack in the knocked him out cold out Jaakko. And I was I calm guy because I liked the boat them guys I mean Raymond Jock, regret, guys and bulldog and. Dynamite kid. You know That was one of the most. Of the big fights I've. Witnessed well, that's the famous one. Two or the rouge has got three seats dynamite, but they knocked. They knocked his teeth with a roller quarter. Isn't that whole thing? That's right followed up. Yep, it sure did. Home they did get the seat on that. Isn't it amazing how the businesses changed a? You'd never have guys stock niche other than the restroom now to knock each other out with a roll of quarters, breaking teeth, breaking noses like it really was so much more wild west back then Wolf Wild Wild West you gotTA. Watch yourself all the time you had to watch. Gain your head shaved on a road on overseas tours yet. When you fall, sleep your eyebrows. He had to watch everything you know. There's so many ribs back in the day you stop watching gear when you went in the ring and I remember like you'd see people like shoelaces cut and one pant leg cut off and got back. I mean so many ribs going on back in the day, but I loved it. I survived, so tell us who who are some of the worst rivers and some of the things they would do. My God Owen Hart. When I used to play music. On the crew and everything! You, know like the match will be going on walkway from the headset. In like this one. We stepped up a notch because we started play music from the headset backstage at Blake by the ramp site where the rest of us would go in and out right. So, this is when we stepped up from a boombox with a microphone in. The had send you back. And if I had to go to the bathroom like three minutes and I knew I had ten fifteen more minutes in this match I, the bathroom and I hear the music going. It'd be like. What the Hell's that? The next thing. I run back over to the headsets in the back and. Jack of Hey what s going near Kyoto, why you play the music? Cut In touch to music. You know, get on a headset. Hey, why are you playing music during the match because? You just got on here and told me to hit the music. into which. I'm like I didn't say anything. I was even on Ed send. US like you just got on two minutes ago and said hit the music. So I'm look over WHO's down? WHO's down, always own grin, but back in those days, Chris. You didn't see anybody pulled rib. You couldn't an occasion for. Those guys were masters that that right it. They were masters. I mean they'd send pizzas to your room on the overseas tour like tent pizzas will always meals like you'd have to pay for new like. This, why would you like? I'm not paying. Tends to get a bose in your room at your room. I'm like. What the Hell you know! I remember as one time with Davey boy. I was sitting there and. He'd go up and down that tour bus up and down in Houston, where all cap sunglasses and I'll be like your whole hct from going out to five six in the morning, you know. In your this six seven hour bus ride. And he turns I remember him. Just like up and down. Granton granted, you know. Like gotTA gotTa Watch out for him, so then I fell asleep for a while. Also we get into the town. Bread hearts in their next to me. Wash my face and everything. And I look up and breads next to washes facing Sank I! Look in the mirror and I go. Holy Shit. What happened to my eyebrow? So by one eyebrow is like almost completely gone. And I'm like. Damn link. I kept watching TV. The whole time only fell asleep for a little bit. You. Know but I didn't I didn't see him. do it but I kind of knew. Is You know? So I'd like Brett's like I'm like man. What am I going to do with this he's. Goes and he was like an artist. At a lot of art, touring and stuff you know so let me see if this works, so we try to color it back and he goes. Now. That's not going to work. I was like. We. Look stupid like what do I do now. You GotTa Shave the other one. I'm like. What! Any. GotTa, save the other one. He's like. Let me help you out, so he gets to. Razor shaves the other one. And then like like Davey boy walks by. He Goes East starts laughing and I'm like a real funny Davey boy he's like. What happened to the other one and I said I don't know what happened to the first one daily and he's like I. Don't know. Like what are you saying I? Did it I said no, no, I'm not saying David. I was just. Wondering because Jesus. He goes to yourself now. Known eyebrows for while the Calgary, guys were were brutal, and so is Kurt Haning this terrible rivers. Yes, Card. He was another river exactly. Yes. That was got it was I think it was put curtain Broccoli fighter plane to back in a date. Where you on that plane, you remember that one of the plane ride from death yes. Yes, yes. s the one where brock and Kirk got in a fight right next to the exit door, and this is like twenty thousand feet up and I. Think Waldman cut off A. PS Bony. Yeah as cut his voted off. I was some days in your. Charter flight to I think it was a charter was it was not was business. Cut knows charge because they used to have us go. Do those pay per views where we'd go to England for a day and we'd. We'd land in England at like noon. Sleep until like six do the show get back of the plane and come right home again. Like what are you just asking for trouble when you do that? Right exactly exactly pushing the boys to the extent. But Yeah those days were fund though I gotta say there were there were a lot of fun Chris on. Those guys are like Ninjas to they can walk by and just do a quick slip, and suddenly you lost a razor was like no, it was just for people to see it wasn't like there. There was a big long production with shaving cream or whatever they would just come with the razor down to zero and just. You wouldn't even know it. That's he wouldn't even know it. You wouldn't even know it I remember the boys. We're on a commercial flight one day. And it was It was pulled out. And a company of the boys but There was a bunch of drunk college kids on the plane and they were talking like our wrestling so fake wrestling is. Were these kids talk all college? Kids come from break or something. Well as we were getting off the plane, they all they one had happened had. I remember like four guys have no air left and it was just she'd. All their heads shaved. and. Looked into my. Each yet who did this? These kids were crying. Lay. Out. Them was even a girl she had half read. A she was yeah, it was it was pretty. How were you doing this with nobody seeing? I'll tell you if there was somebody seen, nobody would say nothing. You know right because you didn't do to anybody back in them days. You know that's one thing girl might soon has said he was like. Let me take one thing. Anybody ever wants you to student as business. You're not doing your job right. He needed to go find another job because if you need to stooge on the boys or anybody. In your just not doing your job good enough. Yeah, there's a real code of honor amongst you know amongst all of us, gypsys, tramps and thieves right. Yes, sir, you gotTa Chris. That is the Truth Rover, so we ever in the ring when a fan hit the ring I'm sure got stories about that, but before we hear them. I know you've probably got stories, but this guy to Diamond Dallas page and Man look what he went on to do. After his time in the ring, he's grown deep into a monster fitness program worldwide. Everybody I know does DP. Why and you should as well I know? A lot of the gyms are still closed because of the pandemic, or you have to wear masks inside the gym, not comfortable being in there, and that's what else makes such a great program as you can do it anywhere anytime. Any place I've done it backstage at a w backstage at gigs hotel rooms, dressing rooms, living rooms, my own front yard. It's a killer workout that you can do at your own pace anytime. And Diamond Dallas page is so sure you'll love is DWI program. He's giving you a chance to try it for free for seven days. Just download the. APP and get started for free once again you'll get access to hundreds of workouts live workouts from the dby performance center and SMYRNA Georgia, and you'll get some personal motivation from D. himself. You can connect to Bluetooth Heart Monitor to keep track of the workout data. You can stream the APP to your TV so you can do the work. That's on your big screen. You can do them on your phone. You can do them on your laptop. Whatever you WANNA do. It's a kick ass, cardio workout through and through, but it's easier on your joints, so go download the. APP Today, you can get it for us or android. Got It on my phone on my laptop. Start Your seven day trial for free. Choose a workout and get going. Let Dallas and DWI. Change Your Life like he has for thousands and thousands of people thousands of his clients, thousands of his friends get on the path to healthy living and stay there getting the best physical and mental shape of your life and do it now during the pandemic. You don't have to leave your house. It's the perfect workout to do at home start today for free a diogo dot com slash Jericho. Speaking of the Code of honor? Did you ever ever the ring when a fan at the ring yeah yeah. Quite, a few times one. Most member. One was stone Cold Steve Austin triple, H. And I remember We were all bumped. We all took a bump at that time. I took a bomb I was laid out. And then you know, it's at certain points as a referee that make sure your heads turned it the other way the opposite way. The spots gotta go down so now all three. It was down and I hear something in rank. Like, can I white? Wayland what's going on I feel the ring like moving bouncing a little bit and somebody stomping, and I'm like Buddha helped him out of a dead Steles. started. Getting on the other guy was supposed to be laid out for a while. You know right and I looked over. And there's his fan a like all of a sudden Mike stomping on stone. Call the. Boom We? We all came at. It is dead cell. And I remember one hundred grams. I'm trying to kick the guy and I'm trying to. Kick them. INARI Dang Punch like China triple, eight and It was in Germany in Germany somewhere. and. I remember when. They brought him back. To the back insecurity security Adam. In Ozzy was trying to do is protect China. China was on the outside. And I remember him going. China I love you. I just tried to protect you. And in China just walked right up and kicked him straight and nuts. She goes I can protect myself. He. Just drops to his knees like. Just like how? Yeah, it was never a smart idea for those. dudes walking in the ring. You know what I mean. It's like it's a no win situation. That's true. That's true. 'cause you always see the guys in a matter. He'll baby face ref. One time I had the dock involved like whoever just around ringside? It's just like open season like fresh meat. Yeah definitely, that's it but these days I think it's a little bit different. Is God forbid if you did some? They probably countersue or do something. But. Is it was if you got a ring? It was like that's your S. you know we'd even have. The guy brought backstage for a little meeting. Sometimes, that's right. That's right. You bring him back up to really be a man. You know I remember. How coups like the head shrinkers, let's seize Hukou in Tonga, that islanders the islanders back in a day and we were in like We were Joplin mosque. Tuna Pa. Hashi mosque. The weirdest place for a match. Yes, yes and. So I, remember tangos pretty like. Wild some always great guy, great guy and He took somebody back he made. He made us get somebody backstage because. This guy jumped in the ring. And then yeah, actually likes slapped. Him on the back, so at the end of the match. Teluk, we want to sit him, so he wind up taken down with some throat thing in took him right down to the ground, and put his knee on his head, and says to teach you how to be a man when it hit. Somebody it me now you know. and. With the board. We got an. Hell you're probably even there and one of those trips to Japan that one trip, which would charter planes or they of the entire crew to Japan? Yes, and I mean we had like a raw avian a smackdown taping one after another. It's like Oh, my Gosh! That was just so insane that trip. I remember that's what the the old security guard. Jimmy. What's his name passed out and Jimmy, tell us or Jimmy Tillis. Remember. He got his head stuck in the in the bus. One time, I remember that's right. That's what I'm talking about. Remember. Yeah I remember that. Yeah, shame was on that bus remember. He was of the Hunkin so maverick he got his head stuck in some like metal, piece or something. Some like heartless Kelly was i. think there was a holder for luggage or something? On a bus in Japan. Got! His head stuck and we could get him out a long time when he finally woke up like I said Mike Yoda's the new head of security. Because you want to able to get them out. Kiki the mystic. It's right. That's right. I was just going to say we're at one of those things. Japan with some good of a bar fight and this one Hukou came back in about two thousand and two kind of furs last run, and it was one of those ones I knew how crazy was and all of us do, but he was a mild mannered fathom, and then, but all it took was one one little indication that one of the boys in trouble he was over there. Gu's all the marines and taken them all down and common the situation that old school. Code of honor that we talked about yes. I remember that when he took them all down. He told me I believe it was tweet. Wilson and I want to say Stacey Keebler that was with us. Yeah, and then he made me you take the girls, and you get the girls outside the club. Right? Do it now. And again but I want to help you I want you to take care of the girls and get them outside safe now. And I said okay, brother. You got it and the next thing you know all this shit. I missed everything. But. I started seeing them go to town on somebody, but I was like keeps toy. We gotta go right now, you know. So you know. I definitely did my part, you know. He told me food economists everything. We gotta go. Let's talk about You know once again being in the ring for pretty much the entire modern generation of the WB who are some of the most popular guys that you're ever in the ring with. Me Because. You can watch at home on TV as a fan or in the arena, but when you're standing in the ring, there's a whole different sound that you that you. Ha- you hear that you experience who are of the biggest names that you were in the ring with. You mean modern or all I mean. Let me from eighty five to now the most popular. When they came out, the place would go crazy. Yeah like. I would have to say like when I first started with Hogan was the most impressive right. Andre when even came out to the ring back when I was a kid, it was just a different kind of pop. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, Kinda like Whoa like holy crap. You know like. An eggs to rise, but it was just a I'd say. Hogan is one guy that I've I've seen these kids. Through the barricades bicycle racks crying and when he selling in selling and selling, it was just amazing to see these people going nuts like entered. The entrance his music USTA head crowd used to go just nuts. To say that Bret! Hart had a huge impact on his entrance on me when I being a ring. That's cool. There's so many guys. So many guys back in the day and then. Of course, the rock of course yourself to Chris. Thanks, man, I mean really you know Your engines music, can you your larger than life some? Of the guys at C. M. Punk was one of. He had this like you know yet this charisma where he came out, even with his music, just lost life you know. And There's been many guys. I mean of course like the Rock Ogan. Act A I'd have to say triple H, even you know. There's so many talent that's on and off. It's funny. You mentioned that the the connection with the Rock and yourself in myself. Remember that tour that we did is one of my favorite tours. Ever when we went to Japan Singapore, Malaysia? And it was right after I won the title, so they put me in rock on top is right before rock basically left because he was promoting the Scorpion King and he wanted to be over in the Orient for that member of that. Yeah, I remember that and I had some kind of. Some kind of issue with. The gate yelled at his son. Brian, for something up, so early was mad at me like I'm not ruffling their matches, and you're and we're like all right. Let's get. Let's get. Chichi there yeah, I remember WanNa Risk Ref, the main event with then we'll get Mike in there, and we had the best the best time. Yeah, my one of my most favorable like. Wrestling really, but took a couple of bumps couple spots with a six man tag with you the rock. And the deadly boys Patrick, you know now, here's something funny That's something. You've been doing this for a long time. And you completely forget and I just seen. Somebody mentioned that or something like that just recently so went back and checked it out I totally forgot about that, so tell us about about what you remember about that match. Shoot I haven't forgot about that day Chris. You're only match. You ever had that was my only match ever. Let's talk about what happened tells the story. I mean. I was when they told me that day I was going to be in a six man exit. Who me I said doing what we're like wrestling. You're going to be in a six man tag with Chris y two j Chris Jericho and the Rock Against Dudley's Nick Patrick. So I'm like. Okay great man! I'm like Holy Shit. I'm Mike. I begin my game on. I better not mess. Nothing up here I got a few spots, and I remember bubba coming up the. clothesline right? Yeah! BUBBA had did a few spots and everything when Nick Patrick Ring a turnaround. Take clothesline from level. And he goes an real coming up to me. Go this. Key Oda. If. You can sell this bump. Referee or not one of the boys he goes. belacel is shit at this bump and I'm like no problem. No problem I got y'all I'm selling I'm selling. We'll Chris when he came back close on. There was no cell period as he stepped ship. That'd be so bad. If you ever watched that I l mysolar all the way to get back to the back now. I remember. You had to wear your your head where you're ref ref clothes. Where red and everything you know, and even through this spot when it gave the People's elbow and everything, and all that I was still holding shoulder, and he comes in I come to back in the locker room and he goes, he goes. You oversold a little bit, but over stone is better than underselling. executed. I think that's when we were doing the invasion versus the WBZ, or whatever it may be Nick Patrick was kind of the the Anti WB revenue of course we're Mr. Mr Wf so. That's why you're in. The match is funny because there. was another guy who's been there for a long time. Timmy White, yeah, Tim White was the referee exactly and loved Him White Man. He actually called me a couple months ago so to see how doing all that so. I was out for surgery for a while, so he was like man. I feel your pain. What you're going through, you know. He was just economic because he had rotator cuff problems years ago. Well, let's talk about that, too. Do you think you know the being a referee? And you'd sometimes you are called, take bumps, or to have matches or or Just the point of counting to three with that shoulder timmy shoulder went out that kind of into his career. And you tell me you just had rotator cuff. It's more physical than people might expect to be to be official in the in in pro wrestling yet definitely. I mean it lasts a long time. What happened was I took a bump? Probably about seven eight months ago, I got pulled out her ring. and. It was a spot where one of the outside. The managers or your the enforcer on the outside, and he pulled me out of the rain, and I kind of instead of taking a belly, bump or anything on the Mat I kinda landed on my shoulder, little twisted. which is you know you never know which way you're. GonNa land. You take a bomb, so I tore my rotator cuff at that point, but then I can take any the referee for awhile. And he thought it was a deep bruise and throat that I did some goal matches like one week for an hour then the next week I did another gauntlet match. For an hour and Then, it was still good to. It was still good to go, but felt. That second goal in match I did I cool down for an hour or so and I had to wait for like two. Oh, five to get done in. I did this dark match at like eleven o'clock at night. And after cooling down and everything in Boom I think I tore my by separate there. So at that point where I went on to surgery for. rotator cuff and BICEP. So, but it's all good to go now I'm back. I feel great well like you said I mean there's some wear and tear there, but he was actually funny. I had the match playing in the background. I just saw that clothesline. Yeah, that wasn't a close that was basically a a punch to the face from Delhi t you. Oh, yeah, yeah, right? Because I mean I've felt that I felt that really. Like. There was nothing to really sell. I was I was A. Dictatorship. So let me as we start to wind down here. Let me ask you about. What is the differentiation differentiation between being one of the boys and being in the office because we had so many great times together. You know I'm GonNa ask you who you travel with. Some of your favorite guys that travel with, but we're you ever considered to be part of the Office are referees part of the boys well. I wanted to be read three party boys, you know. I was I was never an office. Guy Chris I. I lived in live my life with amazing different guys and talents in in the boys throughout the. Thirty five years I was doing this. All the boys were my family. You know right. I spent all the time on the road with the boys and. Mike job was to be on the road with the boys you know and it says I just never felt like I was in office guy. You know I actually wanted you definitely at some point later on down the road train referees, and you know like I said I. Still I still have allowed to me inside. The ring announced side where I could provide my knowledge. And my experience and stuff what I've learned over the course of years. Who are some of your favorite guys? He traveled with. His, Back in the day with Joey morale as to travel with him a lot. And Tony Timmel when I first started it after that Mike became just a referee. I would travel I. Great Times with test is to travel with test lot. and. He was lot of fun to travel with. Over the years. Are Truth traveled are truth lot. Jack Swagger traveled hand. Rae Rae Rae Ramos Stereo. Time you Manga was a very close friend loved the travel would it would be a me, ray, you manga, Johnny steamboat Willie Meriem. Gee. And Yeah and A lot of guys africo Primo Craig guys love those guys yeah. and. Urged disturbance to you gotTa Watch them remember that time we were in Dubai together and the guy threatened put. He put a bounty on my head to yeah, remember that I. Had assert down like Guido with chains and everything in his. That Hummer outside. He's going out. Get you. I'll get you and you got a bounty on your head. Who's telling you that I said? We're sitting there going host shit. Are we going to be here? We go back to the hotel or is this Guy Gonna now. Because he's been kind of jerks I watched this. They'll walk by giving the old hip. Check into the wall. Oh, sorry about it. And he said he was put a bounty on my head for seven million dollars. You'll be dead. In twenty. Seven million dollars and I remember I was said to swagger. That good is this. Is that a lot of money for a bounty or it? Do we need is like if I was like Mel, Gibson or Brad Pitt thirty million. Like how much is seven million? So then the next day we go to work and we're doing some stuff whatever we're doing there and I think I had some meet and greets or something, and then I was like you know obviously the plate safe I got twenty four hours to live. It's been about twenty I'm not gonNA. Go out tonight, and then do you remember you sent me a picture to my phone? Do you know what the picture was? No I do not a giant bottle of grey goose. Yes, okay, yes, I was selling big. big bottles with sparklers. Hang, living we got, and I was like all right. I gotta go. Go Go I. Go to the club and I see the bouncer and he goes all. You're still alive. And it said like in my case now. That guy talked shit every week, and he puts bounty in somebody's head. He says he works down the street at the liquor store, or whatever yeah I was I was a nightclub. Some boating. Right off some boat me. You know what were some of your favorite cities to go because you mentioned, you always like to go out at sorted. I and we always had a crew. That would like to see things I like Japan was one of my favorite. Re Punky was the best to go to. You know. That was real fun if you didn't go to, you have when you went to Japan you had to go to Punky, right. Something you had to do. And even Shinjuku and a lot of places in Japan, Australia is one of my favorites. Sidney in Melbourne, it was just a we get back to the hotel like noon and the club would still be going. On I mean we'd go out at like midnight. You know of course by the time he got back. You didn't get out like twelve or one o'clock in the morning and we go these clubs in Australia in like I remember dance with some girl and I'm sitting there. And it's like boom boom boom boom news, still going and all of a sudden boys gay. We gotta go. GotTa go. Can Link. What time is it loves she's like it's eleven o'clock in the morning. Love and So I remember the first. When I walked out, it was like eleven, thirty and cars, raw and bright's. It was sunny. So I'm like Okay I. Get it so now. When I go out and Australia, I gotta bring a pair of sunglasses with me. Not when I come out. A couple of names that you mentioned that just talked about briefly because their their careers were cut short time. What test enjoy, Morella Lotta people don't remember those guys. Let's talk a little bit about but first. Let's talk a little joy morella. Joey Morella with him. He loves everything I did we had such a Great Lakes ship? It was just Loved the fish he played baseball I. Play Bass You Love Hockey I love hockey. We love football. We love all sports. We've traveled together. We're growing having so much fun to hang out at home and so's. We came off the road. We'd get together after we pay bills for one day and get some stuff together and we start hanging out at home for a couple of days. We don't. And we both played baseball and just had a lot of things in common me and Joey on the road there was a lot of good stories with Joey to man funny story so such a drag, because it's the one thing that we all kind of dread you know whatever was falling asleep at the wheel or wherever and having a car crash, and that's what happened with Joey on the road doing his job, right? That's correct. Yeah, sad goblets! Joey man missing very much. Yeah, it was, we were coming off a seventeen day wrote. That I member he added. We're coming back from Salisbury Maryland. And we had to He had to drive all. We were driving to Rinku. Trump back Tony Jim I. Had Back to South Jersey and we were just finishing off seventeen. Day Ron. And he had to drive back to Newark. New Jersey which was probably passed so many different airports at that time BWI Washington I think Bwi. Philadelphia. was continuing on the actually got an accident with a Bruno Harvey went act then yeah, and he actually had the accident right by his mother's exit now we're near her mother's exit and Tony Chamberlain. I passed that accident at three o'clock three thirty in the morning. And we didn't even know Joey. There was the police cars Erin. And I remember gone killed a look at this accident, and I'm Oh. Crap was fire trucks and everything tunder. Please ours ambulance. And We couldn't see anything that was going on and then. You're just like wow. We drove slow past it, and then we were home in another ten minutes or so. And, we get a call like six thirty in the morning from gorilla monsoon. Tell me what happened it. Just. It was now my God I had taken a shower like after matches. Joey. We're in the locker room shower. Guy Ready. And! I was like Joey. while. He just moved to Tampa Florida. He's gotTa get home and I gotta pay bills and I do this. Stuff been omen seventeen days I'm like. Your mom's stay with us. We're going to go down to the Jersey shore and hang out for July fourth weekend and It was right around July fourth and up on. Never forget that day. It said Yeah Yeah good good guy. Remember this back in the day when you step to wear the the blue shirts and the bow ties as referees. Yes. Yes, I mean know. Joey taught me a lot. Come into this business. He told me what what to do. What not to do because he knew these enu scout school talent better than I did coming in I was green. He to made you know he's the one who did hold cogan hundred giant match. He did I. I've ever nineteen ninety-two when I seen him do that. Match in Wembley Stadium in London and it was the British bulldog against The hidden heart and a match was like forty five minutes, and that crowd was unbelievable. It was just horns, and it was eighty. Two thousand people are hired worked at night tags, but we're really captivated me with that. Night was watching that match between Brett. And Davey and Joey was a referee in. So That crowd was just going crazy I mean it was like the horns were going. It was like her. bulldog. It was one of the classics of all time it was it was. Really wanted to be like man which always decapa falls finishes. That's you know. Get these crowds on her feet like that one day. But Joey Tommy Lot, man, you know I think the are was. Joey would be hall of fame someday. But I don't know referee, he'll ever make it at all. You know so. We'll see why you would think it's one of those things once against such an important part of of of a great matches, having a great referee that it's so important, and that's what you know, and and I appreciate like see of course coming from you. Old School Chris of the year. I want to thank you are important because the owners three people in there. That's gotTa Tango together or whether it's tag match with five people and I think a referee is definitely one of the most important things. I think it's almost got away from that in in the business now in the industry, a little bit but sir, you know It's always some spotty or so this but I, you know. Referees, still wondering most important people in the ring to them in a match whether it's given whose or collins spots back toward the end just being there at the right time. And doing what you're supposed to do you know? Get definitely. Don't go into business for yourself when referee. That's for sure. Sure. That's yeah. I mean I guess this might not be the easiest question to answer, but is, do you? Like this style of wrestling better were guys are calling more of it in the back and not feeling it. Did you feel? Back, in those days, when everything's basically called in the ring was more effective. Are they both effective? Is that just the evolution of of of the wrestling business? How do you feel about the style today? Compared to when you first broke in I mean that that's a that's a very good question. I definitely like the old school way. Because to me, it's times like it always feels like somebody has to go from A to Z. Like sometimes when you're running out of time, it seems like a lot of talent doesn't. Say that had to go from eight. To F they wouldn't cut out. Be Seeing. Get right to the other point because they didn't know how to do that. Sometimes you know right there, so it was just like to wear. It's like, but if you call spots in the ring. And he felt the crowd, and you felt feeding off the people you know I thought it was more efficient more successful back in the day with that you know. And if the crowd like shit on something, these guys, today would go. Okay, I still have to go to ABC Deity in F. You know right or for running off time at the air I'm like go home. I told you to go home, you know. It looks still seemed like they would have to get their spots in. But I mean talent. These days is amazing. It's amazing in different ways. You know like when I grew would. Guys like you Christian in other talent from what I started his business. Nobody had to get trained. Anything I thought it was like these guys. Just guys just had talent yet charisma. You know how to sold sell. Yourself United Sell period in the ring. United work a crowd. Everybody took pride in their characters to gimmicks their. You know their their outfits and jackets. I mean certain guys with jackets. Be Slight. L Like yourself how many times you always have different partick year on and. Just guys like all this cool gear, and I'd be like Damn. Check this out. How much this Jackie five thousand? What five thousand I'm lacking? But he took pride in their gear and stuff like that. You know more flamboyant back in the day. I thought well. I mean, and that's the thing. I it was much more of A. Much more emphasis on the show part of it than it is now, but once again the there's an evolution happens in hockey and it happens in. Comedy or whatever it may be so. Last, two questions for you. What kind of is your plan now i? Mean it's interesting because we mentioned you know there's there's there's a layoff and there's a change, but we're in the middle of a world where you can't show up on a Saturday night at ring of honor to. Impact or whatever to do anything because there's no shows right now because the pandemic. But what do you have in mind as kind of your plan now that you have a whole new? Whole new world in front of you. Yeah I mean you know like like one door closes Chris old, saying another one open, so you know I'm ready to move on and stuff and I got a lot more left. Emi whether it's inside the ring to an outside the ring and data I'm going to move forward and hopefully these unbelievable times. I know God bless where everybody going through this crisis and people have lost lives and everything and. You know once we get through all this I'm I'm hoping to get back into the ring at some point. And entertain the crowd again. So whether it's go international her to local stuff for you know tested fields. I'm here. You know which is great because like I. said there's so much experience that you have that you can bring to the table for sure so yeah I, actually came out with my t shirt every. Out. Your proteins dot com so pro wrestling, tease, dot, com, right, yes, pro wrestling, dis dot, com, so I got some shirts coming last question for you. Man would is if it's if it's not so easy if there's a couple of them, what's the your favorite match that you ever refereed? Are would have to say. Man There's so many of them Chris? Crowd wise, there's there's I. Mean it just. You're asking me for one match favor one. Just give me a few that. Stand up for you. Sure beyond with Crispin why Eddie Guerrero. I remember that was in Denver Colorado I was an unbelievable match. A rocking Hogan Crowd Wise Toronto I mean Toronto. Did it was just a phenomenal crowded the reaction? and. The others is quite a few of them. I just don't want to get one of them right, but there is the. There is Shawn Michaels versus don't cold in. In Boston Garden. I remember brock listener big show with the ring collapsing. Oh, that's right. You're in there for that. That was phenomenal talking about that bump because you never really had a chance to rehearse that. You just say I wanted to go with it right, yeah I. Michael Hayes Lot of everybody loved it the way I sold that bump in back. You know so. They it was just it was something that was just actually. I didn't know what to expect. When rain claps, 'cause they weren't. They could rehearse that. You know right, but The crowd just came off their fee and I just kinda looked around. It was just like stunned like I'm thinking holy crap. Is this what a ring looks like what it does, Gladys. Tuna biggest dudes, rovers selling you know big show and you know. And I'm just sitting there like in a Kraus's just going nuts like you know the first time we ever pulled that stunt off. and. I mean that was awesome. That was an awesome feeling, so as all it was really. What I didn't do as a referee was just basically how I sold my face. Have you know the reaction of me like selling it collapsing. So. That was really wasn't too hard to do. A lot of matches with Shane McMahon and Kurt Angle back in the day used to kill each other. Yeah, Oh, yeah, you know. In you know Shane. Had A lot to prove than Kurt was like yeah. I got a lot to prove to. And you'RE GONNA you're gonNA earn. Well Dude. It's great to get a chance to catch up with the and talk to you and like I said. You should be very proud of thirty five years. In the WB that that will probably never be matched again and like you said you still got a lot more to do so yeah, man like I said much respect, always one of my favorite referees, a great data to hang with as well man I appreciate it, Chris and it was an honor to be on your show. Man I really appreciate everything good talking to you man, hope soon right? Yeah, brother, take care man. Talk to you soon, youtubers okay bye.

Mike Chris Jericho TA Vince Stephanie No Mike Yoda wrestling China Gorilla Joey Morella facebook New Jersey Kiki US rotator cuff Nick Patrick Hulk Hogan Owen Hart World Wrestling Federation Andre Tony
The True Mother feat. Alex Landi

Circle Round

19:40 min | 1 year ago

The True Mother feat. Alex Landi

"WanNa add more positively to your podcast feed checkout kind world stories of extraordinary kindness and compassion. That's kind world subscribe now. I want apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen produced by the island at Wvu. Are Boston. Think about the most honest person you know someone you can count on to tell the truth. Maybe it's a family family member. Maybe it's a friend. Maybe it's even you. We're about to meet a wise judge who has to determine who's telling the truth and who isn't and he does some very surprising things to figure it out I'm Rebecca share and welcome to you circle round. storytime happens all the time. Today are stories called the true mother. It comes from the island nation of Japan in East Asia. Some really great people came together. Took renew our version of this folk tale including Alex. Landy grownups. You may recognize Alex from Grey's anatomy on ABC and insatiable on net afflicts so circle around everyone for the true mother Long ago in a big bustling city there lived the wisest and fairest judge in all the land. The judge was especially famous for the clever and unusual ways he resolved cases one day. Two women appeared before the judge in his grand rand courtroom. One of the women was dressed in red. The other blue when the women entered the judge noticed they were both pushing the same baby carriage. Each woman had one hand on the carriages handle. When the judge peered inside the carriage he saw a rosy cheeked cheeked baby? Boy Your honor. We have a problem. The judge was about to respond to the woman in red when the woman in blue cut in. No no no no. We don't have a problem. Your honor I have a problem. You see this baby here. She gestured toward the carriage. This baby is mine yet. This woman claims he's hers that's because he is mine. No He isn't yes. He is no off. The judge held up his hand. The women grew silent. All right so both of you are claiming to be the boy's mother. Tell me do either of you have any witnesses to back up your claim someone who can prove that this baby belongs to you. The women glared at each other. Then the woman in red turned back to the judge. I'm afraid we don't have any witnesses. Your honor you see. We're both new to the city. We traveled here together from a village far far away and we used to be friends until she tried to steal my baby. No you're trying to steal my babe. No you're trying to steal mine. No you're trying to once again. The judge held up his hand. You know a simple way to determine the real mother is to see which one of you the child most resembles. Please come closer. The women stepped forward. The judges is moved from the woman in red to the woman in blue to the baby. He did this several times studying each face intently. Um I have to say I'm not seeing any particular resemblance to either one of you. We'll have to try something else. The judge scratched his head. Then he tilted it to one side Tell me is this baby old enough to crawl the woman in red smiled. He is your honour. Well that's only because I'm the one who taught him. No you're not yes. I am no ladies ladies enough with the squabbling. You've asked me you to resolve your case and I will. The judge stood up from his seat and came out from behind the bench. He strode over to the carriage and reached down and lifted the baby boy into his arms. All right you say the baby knows how to crawl. Let's let's see which one of you he crawls to when given the choice but please no talking. We'll wait and see which one one of you he chooses on his own. The judge knelt down and placed the baby on the floor. All right little fella crawl to mommy. ooh All eyes were on the baby. A moment passed then another then another but the child didn't crawl crawl towards the woman in red or the woman blue and fact. He didn't budge. He just sat there playing with his toes. Well well clearly. We'll have to take a different approach. Oh I know we'll have each one of you hold the baby then see which one he's happiest with. The women flipped a coin to see who would hold the baby. I the woman in red won the toss but when the judge handed the child to the woman in red. Come here my darling boy. The baby burst into tears and the woman in blue burst into laughter. There's there's no way that baby could be yours. He started bawling the second he got into your arms. Here let me try. The judge took the baby from the woman in red and swayed the infant infant back and forth until he quieted down but when the judge handed the baby to the woman in Blue Canada Mommy child burst I into tears again. Your honor. I have no idea why he's crying. I tell you I'm his mother. Woman in red was about to protest when once more the judge held up his hand please. Let's all remained calm until we figure this out. The judge took the baby from the woman in blue. He padded the boys back until the crying subsided. Then he plays the child back inside the carriage. I have to admit it. This case is proving to be more difficult than I thought. The judge shuffled back to his seat and put his head in his hands as he sat there deep in thought the women waited with bated breath five minutes past then ten then twenty. Finally as the clock struck noon. The judge raised his head again when he did his is worse sparkling ladies. I promised you I would resolve this case and I will but this is an extraordinary situation relation and it can only be solved. Extraordinary means the judge called his clerk. Please go to the market and bring me the following things one bowl all of rice. One heaping plate of noodles and a steaming hot pot of green tea and hurry. We have worked to do. ooh What do you think the judge is cooking up. What would you do if you were the judge? Uh We'll find out what happens after a quick break. The stories on kind world are more than just stories about people being kind their stories about people changing lives. She gave me a reason to live again. He's into get out of bed every day so I won't ever be as alone as I was really didn't have someone like her in my life. I mean I really. I needed her. I didn't know it kind- world tell stories about extraordinary extraordinary compassion shown by ordinary people. What he has done for me is what I continue to for others? I'm I'm just being you forward. Add more positively to your podcast with kind world. Subscribe now on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen. Welcome back to circle round. I'm Rebecca share today. Our story is called called the true mother when we left PhD off. Two women were both claiming to be the mother of a rosy cheeked baby boy. The judge tried several tests to see who was telling the truth but nothing seemed to work. The judge promised the women he would resolve their case so as the clock struck noon. He asked his clerk to bring him three three kings a bowl of rice a plate of noodles and a pot of green tea when the clerk returned the judge sniff to to the rice. He poked up noodles. He sloshed T.. Around in the then he turned toward the woman in red and the woman in Blue Ladies. He's as I mentioned a case as unusual as this one requires unusual methods. I'm talking about. He waved a hand in the air. Fortunes the winning gasped. Yes I the judge will attempt to look into the future and and based on what the future tells me. I will figure out who the baby's mother really is. The women watched with wide eyes as the judge tucked a Napkin Abkin into his collar. Then he picked up a pair of Chopsticks and plucked one grain of rice from the bull. He scrunched up his forehead as he examined the grain carefully. Oh my very interesting. Yes yes the judge popped the grain of rice into his mouth then he reached down and picked up another Green as with the first he studied it intently. Wow my goodness goodness then ate it. The judge repeated this process over and over until the entire hire bowl of rice was gone. I must say we are off to an excellent start very promising next the noodles once again. The judge grasped the chopsticks he lifted a noodle and gave it a wiggle Oh aw I see the judge brought the noodle to his lips and slurped down. Then he repeated the process with another noodle words you look at that and another my and another fascinating soon. All the noodles were gone. The judge wiped his lips lips with his Napkin then stared at the woman in red and the woman in blue his eyes were gleaming ladies a very rick clear. Vision of the future has come to me. I've seen an image of the boy's real mother he you have tell us more L. The judge took a deep breath. This vision takes place forty years from now so the woman is forty years older than she is today. Her hair is grey. Her fingers are stiff but she's hard at work in the rice fields. The woman in Blue Gorilla. The rice fields forty years from now shouldn't be retired by then. The judge held up a finger. But Ed wait wait. That's not all I saw. There's a reason the real mother is working in the rice fields forty years from now. It's because because her full grown son has become ill gravely ill. And she's toiling away to support her beloved child She's bent over those rice patties. Sweat streaming down her face day in and day sunup to sundown own seven long days. All is shifted to the woman in blue this child. He isn't mine. The judge raised used his eyebrows. He's not yours you say. And why are you telling the truth now. The woman blue threw up her hands. Isn't it obvious yes. You shouldn't have to take care of your child when you're old and gray. Your child is supposed to take care of you. That's the whole point only dividing children. The judge turned to the woman in red. And what about you. Do you think the whole point of having children so so someone will care for you when you're older gray. The woman in red blushed. No your honor. She gazed down at the carriage. Your honor I love this boy with every bone in my body and it's long there is breath in my body. I will work to support him if he needs me. And I'll do it happily after all. He's my son so he is. The judge stood up up and walked over to the baby carriage he lifted the rosy cheeked boy and held him out to the woman in red. Please take this child. It's more than apparent to this court that he really truly is yours this this time when the judge handed the boy to the woman the baby didn't cry at all instead as his grateful. Mother pulled him close. It's the infant smile. Suddenly the judge cried out. Oh I almost forgot to tell you what happens next in my vision. After being so terribly terribly sick the full grown son completely recovers from his illness and he goes onto become quite successful he he starts a beautiful family of his own then invites his mother to move into their magnificent house by the sea. Where they all live happily together for a long a long time? The woman in red cried tears of joy as she hugged her son. The woman blue on the other hand rolled her eyes and stomped stomped out of the courtroom in a huff. The woman in red kissed the top of her baby's head then she looked at the the judge. Your honor. I can't thank you enough for helping me get my son back but I have to ask. She gestured toward the the empty. Rice bowl the empty noodle plate and the very full pot of tea. The green tea you asked for you never used it. I thought for sure that you'd study. The tea leaves to read the future. The judge grinned. Nah He lifted the teapot and poured himself a cup of tea. The Not was just there to wash down my lunch. Well years went by and as it happens. The woman's son did get sick very sick. She worked to take care of him and when he recovered they all lead happily ever after. But what do you think. Did the judge really see the future in his rice and noodles or was he just enjoying a hot lunch. I'll don't leave it to you to decide. Now it's your turn pick a grownup in your life and ask them about time. They used their imagination to solve a problem that time. They called on their creativity to crack a puzzle or get out of a tough spot. Keep your grownups experience in the back of your mind and the next time you find yourself with a problem and what to do perhaps you can use what they tell you as inspiration this week story. The true mother was adapted by me. Rebecca Shear it was edited by Virginia Marshall Circle Rounds Executive Producer. Is Catherine Brewer. Our original the music and sound design is by Eric. Shimon like Eric's music. Then you will love the music of circle round volume one are soundtrack from our first season season to get your copy visit our website. WBZ DOT ORG slash circle round and click on soundtrack and coloring pages. While you're there you can find signed. Yes our coloring pages. Circle Rounds Artists. SABINA hot has created a black and white picture for every single work around story and you can color them special. Thanks to this week's actors. Hana Kenny Lisa. UN and Alex. Andy grownups checkout Alex on the Netflix series insatiable and the ABC medical drama Grease Anatomy plus look for him on season three station. Nineteen also on. ABC featured instrument in today's story was the toy piano. You can read about this really fun keyboard antsy a picture on our website. WBZ DOT ORG slash circle round. Never miss an episode circle round. Ask A grownup to subscribe on Apple podcasts. Or wherever they get their podcasts and please leave us some stars. Write us a review. If you were just tell your friends about the show circle round is a production of. WB YOU'RE BOSTON'S NPR news station. I'm Rebecca Ashir. Thanks for circling around with us. One of the best things about creating circle around his hearing from listeners. I like you circle. Round fans have been telling us about their favourite circle round stories. And we're excited to share some of their voices with you. Hi My my name is Olivia. And I'm from Woodbridge Virginia to fairus around stars and they are the loop player in the three legged pot. Mind name visit in my favorite stories right. Gigs did the only I like to point. Thanks for the own. Hi I'm Eleanor and my story is why. OC Salty you did. Someone mentioned an episode. You missed no problem. You can find every single circle round story on our website website that's W._B._Z.. Dot Org slash circle round. Or wherever you and your grownups get your podcasts.

apple Alex BOSTON Japan East Asia Blue Ladies ABC Wvu Landy Blue Gorilla Blue Canada NPR Rebecca Ashir ABC Eric Woodbridge Virginia Olivia Grey Eleanor UN
How to Become a Strong Sustainability Professional or SustainAble: From vision to results. Interview with Virginia Cinquemani

Sustainability Explored

1:03:58 hr | 5 months ago

How to Become a Strong Sustainability Professional or SustainAble: From vision to results. Interview with Virginia Cinquemani

"Hi and welcome to sustainability explored. But gusts were I unfold with the help of my amazing guests from across the world, of course. How Sustainability Practices are integrated into business operations in various industries. My name is. I'm an environmentalist sustainability consultant and the host of the show. Today had like to put sustainability professional in the center and see which soft skills the sustainability professionals should be equipped with nowadays and how to enhance them help to become assertive and more resilient, strong and confident. We will be talking about time management and routine heck's blockages. The professionals are stuck with and how to overcome them. How to break the believe that sustainability as a professional field, dozen breen and lots of money. which the streets are currently experiencing lack of sustainability and what's the next big thing over area for the sustained built experts to get involved in. My distinguished guests today is Virginia ching-kuo money the author of the book sustainable how to find success as a sustainability professional in the rapidly changing world This is a practical guide for those that have passion for sustainability and looking for ways to make an impact. Virginia is also a founder and director of green. Gorilla. Consultants. A Unique Training and coaching company focusing exclusively on empowering sustainability professionals to become the most confident and assertive version of themselves and to successfully accomplished their sustainability projects. Even when they're stakeholders thinks sustainability is waste of time and money. I'm super excited that Virginia decided to join us today at sustainability explored. I can't wait to start our interview. But before we do, you can use this little moment to subscribe to the podcast to always be one step ahead with the sustainability news across countries and industries. Right are you ready? Let's dive right into it. Hybrid Genia. Thanks so much for joining me today for our amazing I can feel it already bombastic talk about sustainability professionals and the versatile skills they have to have in the rapidly changing world. We always start I. Always ask my you start might interviews by asking people how they got into sustainability help big choose. And especially you as an author of the book sustaining able how to find success in the. Sustainable. To professional indirectly change in the world. We're GONNA talk about the book I think. In a while. I assume you are professional who became a leader by herself, and now the book is also able to share the knowledge and busted on to the bigger audience. How did you start? Case say thank you for festival for a me and is podcast. Thank you so much China and the question is interesting because my path is probably. Seeming to people in the field, which is for me built environment and sustainability in the built environment. But in a way is unique because I started as an architect. Like many people in a set In Ben over the years I developed a real love for sustainability. So I left design many. Because, I find it a bit pointless Saudi royal documents that are listening right now. I really wanted to give meeting to what it was doing and so sustainability for me is a deep ingrained value and that's what led me is to do a monster. Energy efficient and sustainable building at Oxford Brookes, university, and from then on. That's where the past goes nightly sideways compared to some of my peers. I worked for twelve years at the building research establishment, which is a big for those that are not is a is a research institution in the UK at Leeds Research on sustainability. So I was actually One of the authors of the Brim Guidance until you your audience is. Familiar with back in the days when he was I think twenty of three not. Many years ago. So that tells you something about my age. So I wasn't actually advising on building straightaway and spend a Lotta time doing the guidelines for people to adopt being. In the buildings. So I'm afraid some of it is my fault. For this right the system so much. and. Then when I when I left theory a couple of years ago I found it grill because market in that sweat really for me away. Especially doing consultancy on building started doing coaching and training to order sustainability professionals. There is Tampa is because last few years of the impact throughout my life. I was training sustainability professionals. and. I could see the struggle sixty that problems firsthand. And then towards the end of my life, I was head of membership of the academy not to had over a thousand feet that was. Token to every day and I knew what going through and I could see that he shoes in the field and so that's how I acquired the to my knowledge. Training is people speaking to the speed then of course, becoming consultant myself. It's long story short. Why it consultancy scold Green Gorilla. Oh Wow. Okay. That I think popped into my mind nights like elfin actors, right using about how old my company and then good luck came came to mind because I think the rely is is a strong animal is excessive is obviously the king to Giancarlo and green because of the association with sustainability. So and that reflects the ethos of my company. I. Want to make sustainability professionals stronger in their. Professions I. Won't do make the mole am said for sure they want to make them constant to push sustainability in the market, and that's where my thinking nasty from. So how can I help people in the sector to become stronger right? A sounds like your job at the moment also includes spark. So maybe psychology you know cold Chen and bringing up this ranks in people. Did. You have any any experienced respected you have to study psychology. No. I've always been interested in Bat. So I have done a lot of research for the book for the training courses to are now online. Which? Obviously, yes that is a lot of psychology behind the psychology of the struggle of people. Feel the frustration on not being able to communicate their message. Clearly, that is a lot of communication issues. The need to be really understood, and I, am very passionate about holidays too. So on my bit self taught to not sense, but I'm also studying. I'm also doing night coaching course. So a probably this time next year I will have a quantification as official pre-integration bought up in a way it's you know my role is more commentary for people in the field. So because of being through the struggle Throughout my years as archetypes as a young female SOROKINA architects at the time with the sector really Roseanne Betty diversified I mean still isn't a so I could see my struggle and how I overcame eye problems to communicate clearly to get my boys had. To to become more assess, shakes without us, and then as before proceed you know good people as well. So. Through study in my own speed ten managed to put together A. Of the framework to help progress for the coming the issues. The reason why I'm asking about the background education is because I see a multi young people and not. So young people that bureau chose sustainability in the first place. Even myself. Really. We were thirteen girls in the group was female a liberal for some reason voice were not interested in sustainability and environment here you. and. I am still in the field wand girly spits have been. Darrien. Bet Doctor. So leave obeyed by the side all food let's say. Then rest. So eleven are changed completely cosmetics lawyers, they had to do some other things. And people now ask me. How did you do that? How did the holiday get back to that or? Change completely from. What I've been to in for ten fifteen years and join sustainability fueled. Here's the question. How important the is what do you think is imortant and absolutely necessary. To have a degree to do to exercise and practice sustainability. Or is it something? You can learn the goal or maybe a big kind hearts is really what it takes. What do you think? I'd say start from the heart to put show because he tees rotational profession unless you're passionate an ecology and the health of the planet and other people you can't jog also because. Probably, there isn't a lot of money yet in. For the majority to us so you have to be very motivated to keep keep them going sustainability also because believe it or not in spite of Dina. The News. Lots of people did not convinced. So there are lots of climate deniers, etc. So it is hard they day to actually keep pushing your values however, say that a depending on the sector, your choose to work in sustainability. Do need to some technical knowledge. It depends very much because it's an ability now is everywhere isn't it? You can do marketing sustainability and you can do. Much. You can do a sustainability in construction in fashioning food, etc. So it depends very much. I will say degrees are. Important. It's education. They today to me is more important keeping curious is more important also because new technologies come up all the time and new ideas come up with the time in the world is growing very fast. So I would say keep curious if you have to do something and I know plenty of people that have changed career from are Gonna I knew on osteopathy became sustainability consultant team buildings generally down no prayer not. inability consultant was for buildings because to be fact, if you are addressing on building, you need to some knowledge of buildings. However, she did not I know some marketing people became sustainability consultant so you can learn the way that's for sure. But sometimes, you do need the backbone all. Technical non edge. Another thing as a follow up. There is obviously this impostor central and when for fifteen years you were doing, let's just say marketing and you have in your, you know this each in in your soul, but I want to do sustainable. But how do I establish myself? Let even established myself as such. Where do I start? So at least someone start seeing me as sustainability what what would you say to that? Well. I would say imposter syndrome affects every single one russet times of our lives. Obscenity myself cheap on senior myself. When I was writing the book I am I qualified enough to write this book but she if you come from a place off, you know this is my experience I'm not trying to preach anyone but this is what worked for me then. Yeah. Why not and if people want to listen than is fine I think eight impressive syndrome is very sneaky. Conditioning away that affects everyone because a different times of our lives that we don't feel prepared for the next phase and and that's normal. I. Sometimes his true sometimes, you have to acquire more qualifications and more knowledge in other cases. It's just a you putting yourself blocks in front of your eyes and your your legs into your Congo ahead. If someone has been in the same profession for many years. Now, to get into system a beat each the fasting usually suggest something of the with my clients is start from a place you're familiar with so. What are you strong? Where do you feel strong is with token to beep. Who is he working on your own? Is it? So what are you passionate about planting trees versus recycling waste? So what is your starting point to? What do you feel strong? Invest. Not Analyzing can you do in that field or in that particular sector or not section, and then of course, you need to acquire some knowledge but you know thank goodness for technology in in in a bronze many technology this plenty of knowledge our band I'm not saying you have to wing it all the time, but you can definitely learn a lot on the field and then there will be a point which is okay I've done a lot by myself is like what I've done. Coaching I've on to mentoring was saving in coaching. So I actually help people discovered that pastor for themselves. I'm not GonNa, tell them what they have to do, but now I feel a need a formal qualification cry changed. So I stopped at his okay. Now can do microwave dictation. So you have to be betty for where that's what I'm saying there is one formula that is the same for everyone because stuff from your friends and your interesting your passion, and then from there you can build up maybe you don't need an equivocation maybe you're unique just to read the mall. You do need to go to you to the books study. But every every month. Janis. Very unique. So that's what I try and tell my clients. Try I do actually get them to do a mind map of all the that interest and then from there and see what the takes. It takes a little bit of thinking which sometimes you don't have actually few not. But if you stop to think that may be that will become clear. That is an mason piece of advice. Civil. Late from where you are another thing that came to my mind while you were describing this, you know safety zone expanded from safety zone was Jake, two things that are that you're passionate about connected to sustainability. That's how I started the podcast. Also, what is sustainability in every little industry that? Is present in our lives. And connecting those two things. Yeah. You can market sustainability, eating, automobile industry you can. Do exactly what you were doing start helping people discovering their strengths and. Yeah and their skills. Speaking up your consultancy, Green Gavrilo, what is this? It's main focus. How would you describe your work? So the way I say, you describe Gregory La is a coaching trading company supporting sustainability professionals to become stronger and to start making an impact in the world. as I was saying from my previous experience from from the way, I know the sector I could see people struggling to speak to the people of Sustainability I see for example, the typical case is ability consult than. Having a meeting with a client and not be named or to explain what suspended bts solutions that can make a difference for client and declined just pushing back on the basis of suspensive will not the resources? Are we gonNA have the time etcetera while obviously that is a bigger. A bigger piece of work that needs to begun to a educate the client be using the right arguments see savings in in the right way. So it is the why so why should they be interesting sustainability? How much speaking to them to convince them so influencing techniques amusing and see Israeli won't Sufi of solutions I can. Propose to cry into that is a win win for everyone because I always say sustainability professionals the needs to start thinking in terms of being salespeople not ninety, you know old fashioned. Man With a little briefcase knocking door and selling. Brushes or? On secretly as like Brechin, Nice tried to be hell health. Tudor clients and providing them with a solution that is not trying to calm them in anyway is actually supporting them to achieve their goals. But in a sustainable way, that's all we're trying to agree is using training courses and mastermind. Thing roots relaunched a couple of months ago and the bulk of course, and wiping due to try and. Provide those tools to people to sustainability professionals to make a difference in the in the marketplace. Right tell me more about the muster mind what's happened in in there actually joined. A gym months ago I think he was. The meet up session civil win worrier explained for an hour and half to what it's GonNa be about how it's GonNa look months by months. And I know the first group is. Finished has finished their time right. Actually it's at year long program. So we still going strong. Every group fiscal officer Mustang minded for don't know what it just as a concept is a peer to peer support. Group. So, you will find yourself in in early two group up to twelve people and my group is actually of ten people and a half molar started just a couple of weeks ago. But it needs to be a small group because people need to be confident to open the hostile undermined. Enough support to give support to other people. So it needs to be a close group that has. A goal of improving the. In general mastermind is they have a common wjm. So there are other parenting masterminds. A various type of interest minds that this one is based on sustainability. So I, go a group of people interesting Senate beat some of them were consistent bid. Up, been doing that for a long time or the newbies, but they want to get into the sexto. They all. Have this common love for sustainability in your idea is over the course of the year. They're GONNA hold their social skills. So all the skills, the I believe personally are key to becoming successful sustainability professionals and that way. They support each other and I coached them, I, support my mentor them. So that is my guidance there and we meet two or three times a monthly webinars. Or different themes based on sustainability and social skills sustainability. And then we do to as them, we do want to one coaching. They can do the Gregory La a training courses which will based on socks skills and I think it's one of the I don't know is no because I created it to be at the value of it is really The, first group is going so well, they are loving it I'm loving it. Is just amazing. The way these people are driving so fast. As an example of course, we don't let me name but a lady who was really quite lost the you know was at the beginning of lockdown and she was home schooling struggling to find time to put together these business she had in mind and Dan, you know she could have progress at all and so she joined the mastermind and now so only two months down denying she said, did you Can actually joy this week because I'm putting together the location for grand to for my for my business and I'm writing the business case and I'm writing the business model and I'm working with my business partner to do this association like fool on working on a project and I'm so glad too because that's what it is about his becoming stronger, finding your strength, your plan to reach your goals. That's Oh I want to do it through the mastermind. It. Made me think you know we're living in such an extraordinary time when you can create your own profession, you can take whatever you feel like taking mix it. Together with your strongest skills and there he will vary were applied it some created extraordinary way. That's amazing. What how what would you say to? What do you think? Based on your experience and people who come to the mastermind who read the book based on their feedbacks by the way extra sound off you posted a link daily. I read the book, its breakthrough. Dope speed to find biggest blocks of problems, the sustainability professionals come to you with. The. Festered for show is they don't they don't feel Hud. So they think okay I got this this values I love sustainability. I think he's on O'Brien right to why don't people do it you know what people do it in a wider have to that and convince them doing the right thing so I if they don't feel hurt, they feel clients was said Befo always having objected based on money the. People cases so they have struggled to communicate to the message. They wanted to change the world and their world is slow to change. US another thing to the frustration rich. Or they won't career its ability. To Change. Path instability and they don't know how to. Like we were just before. Would another ugly I felt that we the lady that actually posted the review you mention she felt deflated after years of trying and trying she felt like she also mosier she was worried about declining to she fell to nothing should do change anything. So she lost a bit to sparkling nonsense. And then other one is people struggled to find the tribe people start to struggle to find people the sink in the same way, and Lincoln is an amazing place of funding people not the same thing. The same right there's not always not easy they today life so. That's you should eat the source of. Issues people way but I would say ninety percent of people don feel heard don't feel impactful enough they don't feel. Will they say you'll do make a difference. I can relate so. Yeah I know. I started from the same place. Honestly I started from the same place. So it's Like, we we were I was speaking to. Like What is in English? It's called black sheep. We call it here. The wide cruch. Luke. Just, the cultural change of colors. That we I was speaking to be. Business is on the different language like I was from a different landon. One media doesn't understand expensive when he's GonNa. Say this much on the lower on. And and the NFL. Okay. I'm not gonNA convince anyone I'm just GONNA go to already convinced once. Someone has to do it anyway. Yeah. Well, I say you know from what I research about five percent of the population that is unconvincing. So say trump if you had to convince trump of becoming an ECO warrior, probably you won't have a chance in. To that however is only five percent of the. Believe it or not. The other ninety, five percent, you can find a way. And Annoys Hod Bob. What is the difficulty is that we come always from a place of knowledge sustainability professionals think in a way that everyone else understand the ready to dissolve this. Why don't you? Why don't you understand the actually the base the basic way of going about shaped crowns is to sit back and to think analyze your language and think, okay, would they understand when I say pb panels because for example, Lagnota day the people in Medicare don't call in PD panels, Connell solar panels, photovoltaic panels while in the UK tape panels, which is already jargon. So if I talk to a client damndest. will if I say. A whole life costing will ban the stunned dots. So really I'm pick your language to make it a simplest possible. That's the first step. Second seconds would my client be interested in? So that's what I need to understand. What do they need will do they want, and it's what do they want the same as well? They need fizzy where in sometimes people don't even know what they want. They need so you have to be extra. Castle to understand your clients and the situation and the project. And Breezy, go and address the special specific need. And that can be done with sustainability ninety, nine percents of the cases. I'm full. Gently we always go there with what we know. We don't listen enough and is not an accusation or your me on one is actually what we do sometimes. We just listen we don analyzing us what the problem is, and so we come with the festival she comes to mind. And obviously, you find difficulty that but there is a process can be and generally works. An Isa the process describing the book. Tell me. About the book. You need to read the book. On my way. He's past it. So the book is is focusing on the five main skills that sustainability professionals in my view personal view should have in order to front success and those are communication. Resilience very important. These times especially of unrest and and difficulty in unclear future. PROJECT MANAGING AND THE PEOPLE MANAGING And finally settling. I said five because the fish the aesthetical you'll have to have sand floor as I said before of technical knowledge if you want to start. But then. You're the skills not equal if not more important. So descending part covers that was describing in into were Dita's fact. and. How long did it take to write the book? I started in November twenty eighteen. And the book was published this year in February twenty twenty. So I snuck you wait but just little challenge actually believe it or not. It was a NOSSA. Do we not challenge on facebook to ride the backer. Your nonfiction book and I will stuck in be son who wasn't well. So I thought we'll do I do for the capital of days you know besides what she to be So I started scribbling on a piece of paper following the guidance of these book card should Ben became a well with a higher the to we process to speed up the process. And and. That will see it won't to address this gap I wanted to help sustainability professionals. To become stronger and how do we do that? It's honing the skills and so you know from one thing the Audubon in the John you started writing and then you will publish this year so to just over sixty months something fourteen. Yeah. Well it seems like it was done in one seton. Hall. And it's done. Little ice you ask you they asked me about the podcast. How did you get the idea? From what I see from Edrich professional I into, you seem to be alive at Song Daddy's not just worn. One day on spot is always based on something you have done Nolte's nolde mental note of and then somehow organically someone is born out of. By step. That's exactly it's. In the book. encapsulates the framework that they use. Agree. To do my work. So I just wanted to crystallize in some ways and put it into into a book that people could take on almost like a self help book for Sustainability Professionals if they didn't want to have perhaps the money. Yeah. The time to do the states. So is the the same content? But obviously when you do the core states coaching is much more responded in his much personalized and the idea came as was working of the Arri and listening to people and the grumbles difficulties to convince clients of adopting Brianca for example but do I do that? You know this is so cumbersome this is a difficult. And so. Must be away right. The must be a way of communicating with an ability and to actually make make it happen. Not just communicate Mickey Happen Convince. People. Bring them on board in Oregon. And so that's how it started. So I had the book Bruin in my mind for a while, and then when I actually paid on paper, the started reading event a from the fast skeleton was the defense, my map that I'd done. Actually at the end of the book was receiving I just put a lot more details in the stories that she to to put in stuff there and I have to say it was a huge help to have people help me from the leadership and management side just associates said that the Psychologists than business psychologists, the leadership and management experts the supported me to create the The courses and from the content of the courses, a lot to trickle down into the books. So it's not just me and what I've been thinking we'd be ready arrogant to say not is actually everything in life as is a team effort. There's lots of ads while in the book. I was written about and again better recently adjusting the other and her partner Clark dates. Omen, really, they wouldn't. They wouldn't be hold they are as a family she is a leader of the country if they were not in couple Titian as opposed all to competition. They are blamed together in one team. It's it's I see. They say you go faster if you go but you go through the review, go together they read so much benefits and unity in togetherness in combining the efforts, it speeds up the process. So doggedly share what you say you sound and seem at our Shiro. person. Who is able to do achieve also. Let me start to multiple projects. At the same time you have your teen daily, obtain your workers Individual clients use atop this mastermind group evidence in this role in Mogi. By the way, there are two books on me, Amazon money. Able and the other one was on bringing him. You know we have. Two quite well by it was the case how do you structure your? Day? Well the thing as as a as a woman as a mother, a half to be organized otherwise nothing happens. I thought. And this time being particularly challenging for that point of view because a happy juggling work and homework with the kids at home. So not always the easiest. But. I think he takes a little bit of time at the beginning to organize your day. and. Then you avoid decision fatigue but having a plan in place. That's my my favorite. So the key for me as Bayden from. Going from being a night owl to been an early bird. Too. But I I used to love you know saying, not played doing crossing jobs. But then I. realized it was actually very short in the morning. And when a stuffed, you've writing the book I realized that was the best time for me if I woke up early but Celia in four, thirteen, morning five. Then, I will get a couple of hours or unarmed on interrupted work done and because I knew my day will be busy between work and kids. I knew that unless I want I had to do that unless I am. So sorry. Unless they did got wake up. So early, I would have written a book. And that was my strong motivation so you have to have. The future mind when you try and plan your day. So why am I doing it because you've done if you don't have a strong why then nothing happened so for me is what you're not penny now that finish, the book I have to meet is not affected more go maybe five thirty because I have one of my kids that is another rise it and I want to get my day started appropriately fully wakes up. So I do wake up early and then I have my own. non-negotiable time. And that's makes me. Productive during the Dia believe and that's my own is have my own wakeup route to eat involves meditation, and unless do ten or fifteen minutes of meditation every day it doesn't feel right Some people do exercise used the running for a while the I need me time before it starts to feel grounded bit too. Got My know negotiable. And then I start to the most important task of the day A. In the day. Because I know especially after lunch I m no use to anyone. So I do my Hawk has worked time out in the morning up to me day, and after that it will be may be phone calls, meetings, and inaugural days. Now is like you know zoom calls and all this stuff. So I try inbox today so that the earliest today is more productive one in the second one is. Or the things that need a lot, my brain power, and then I have to be honest at three o'clock done junior after. Hours is done. Finished kids time you know comedy time. And I keep track of as the have goal to have a yearly plan. A have a monthly plan. I. Have a weekly Blonde at I. Like my planning to say a light to keep track over when I'm going in. That keeps me grounded keeps me on track what to do. I don't move to ask anymore. That's important multitask. multitasking. I do one thing. Fatty well, as well as I can do and then move onto the next ask so and that's my advice. Try to do instead of switching drum email sued projects just just focus on at the time. Pretty Useful Ed one, my personal one is batching. So there is one specific hour in the day when I sit down and go through all of my emails look going to check once in awhile every fifteen minutes so. For example, a lot of an executive and. FACEBOOK messages linked in messages Ericsson gets answered at once. So matching was a game changing changer for me. I can't. I like when you said, you have to wait company for the family wakes. So then you're on their side, not Sido on your work. He potentially stupid question alert where to find motivation. I mean I asked this question I understand how weird it sounds because. You just decided to do your determined that you're committed to do. Let's say to write a book that is the motivation, but very often I see it in people I saved admitted myself sometimes. I know what I have to do I know exactly how cool it or feel at the end once the task is. As especially if it's a year low task. Project. And yet, it's so hard to wake up at four thirty in the morning just like you say, do the work. Where to find his motivation. The motivation comes from having a very clear vision of future say Obviously you know life gets in the way all the time not you wake up one morning and you feel like you don't want to do anything. So it happens and happens do everyone including myself. But if you have a very clear vision of the future and for me, for example, why was writing the book? It was to read this book and I don't want to write for ten years I wanted to come out too soon as possible because I know it will be useful for many people. So that was positive. But then as I was mentioning before decision fatigue is a big thing. If every morning a has to decide to way company for Thursday then I'm not going to do it every day. If. I copper for safety because I, put my alarm clock and go on my computer ready to go and my wards have read that and my coffee ready to go because I'd If you create your ritual and you go from A to B to C, we don't think in animal then you totally take away the elemental position which ties you, and then eventually fades is like when you go to, you want to go to the gym. The best way to do that is to have the bag prepared from to your door. So you literally stumbled upon yet. When you have to get out in the house the same with anything else if you ought deterred to do something you decide once in a way and then of course, you remind yourself for example, for a long time just behind Jay you know people won't see that in the podcast but I have a world behind me and for a long time throughout the tunnels writing the book. A had posted notes in my mind map for the book. So the tractors, this were all posted Nazi wall data minding me the was my goal I wanted to write the book. This is what I have to do is old plan to. So when I wake up in the morning, I, don't have to think Ooh what am I going to ride tonight none enough I know what I'm. Going to write today because this week I'm going to write about selling. Okay. So Take away all decisions planned in advance. So the company morning and you feel you don't want to do it. You have you already decided for you in a way is set and done. I got to say so much still difficult but you have to procure in vitamin to to help you with that and the mortar remind yourself daily of your big vision or will you want achieve the better chances? You have lachey waking up time and do it And yet besides. It's yeah. It's just it's just be should is just the way you WanNa do and cheap. You reminded me probably will be of use to to some listeners. When was seats years ago I was changing my completely change in my nutrition because I was feeling like I needed to feel better. It was not the multiple extra weight that I needed to lose but I've felt like, I was. Kind of in the clouds over time. and. For me my tricks wake up early was knowing. The the Eden Unit before what I'm going to have breakfast raking. Ach. Super early because I was. Excited to have healthy breakfast you know and still today I'm thinking of I know you wake up early. You you do yourself street kind of in advance in terms of thought of that's what you're going to have for breakfast. So he were. To Top. For me is also designing the moon. You know my my day is filled with children in always and everything, and actually for me the treat to he's working on having my coffee in silence is amazing. Love it, and even that as you said, you know everyone has their own motivation to and you have to find your own motivation your treats let's say you're Golden Allah the helps you waking up early if you want to. Of course if that's your goal. Retrials help. Absolutely. Here's the question. I've been thinking. By my about it by myself, sustainability is a field. Seems and sounds like field where you don't make a lot of money and a lot of youngsters don't choose it because. They don't see strong role models really. How is it something that people address to you when they come as clients all beds, you don't make a lot of money. So White Art. And how to fight it. I would say lots of my clients come to me because they don't care about money they kept up a stability. So I actually have seen many people coming to me, but they want to make it work of course. So they said look I am ilab system video. You think this is what it should be done. However, how can I make it? Work I can pay my bills of course. And I always go back to the concept of it guy which is a Japanese concept to cold. Meaning of life or something along these lines. So effectively, you are happy and fulfilled in your job when you can combine what you love watching. Good. With what the world needs and brought, they're ready to pay you for. So once you got this full then he's perfect. Of course it is but especially, right to find a balance. Sometimes, you do love good not being paid very well, which is the case of time sustainability he. Sometimes. You do a job just because he pays the bills who says not something that you love you're passionate about Mitt you're good at it is not passionate. Passionate about sets. So, what I always say is Sinaga do it well and you log what you do. and You keep from trying away in showing up every day you will find something makes you happy. Even you will make you work dust thing. Is Not like the poorest jokes you know if you are a big consultants, mustard times, you can survive you know is not Renault talking very low paid jobs at based true that you might have become. As wealthy as someone else in finance. If would example, it's a choice as well is we'll do you need some people that were consistent beaded he actually it will so many families you know they don't want to you know did not. Going to an old up money to spend it in flash cards or know big expensive stuff So it's really up to you in a way to choose, which is true. You know the market is what it is a million aware that I don't have the crystal, but I'm thinking sustainability will become beginning the future it will be known negotiable hopefully soon, any way you can see the starting in away from last year's gratitude Bergen all the have in and Koch. So, we are not shitting the industry to be in right now and you will become in demands. That means also property it would be paid better whether competition would be lots of because at that point lots of people were interested in. It's like with anything else but it's I. think is a much balanced. Really is you're looking for, and again you'll goal support would you want to be what do you want to be? And? That's something question that people. When I asked them the freeze because they think they know and then when I asked him, they did know anymore. It's very hard. It's such a simple question but if you are asked once and you have to rely sentence because what do you want this one three things maybe and I know yes, it's it's. Which Areas In the industry. Wise. Do you think lack sustainability? Okay. I believe all industries are catching up. So slowly and at the moment more in via read in practice, 'cause the lots of pioneers in the sectors that are lots of people working in sustainability also sectors. But I think at the moment especially after what happened last year we dot indeed. Servino she raised the profile sustainability you hate it or you love it but it's been on newspapers stadium to Kobe decay right. So we actually suffering from massive greenwash the monument even more than before. So people claimed sustainable. Companies Claim are doing the right thing. But how much how much sustainable thing saw is all to be decided? So. We're still have the it's wet shops and still legal in legal bind clouds that are made by children under age. And poor working conditions is still you know carbon emissions assume regulated your Va Shin is not regulated in Pensacola carbon emissions or at least not as much as should. Recycling is still less than ten percents evolve plastics. For example, the we the we throw away lesson percent is being recycled. So there are still lots of lots still a lot to work to do at the same time. So is pretty much longer sectors that we can improve. I think there is actually good news because there's so much to do plenty of opportunities for all of us were consistent ability to do well to make an impact to change the road for good. I am still I'm very much less food in that sense. I've really thank. Individuals have power and that little girl demonstrated it. Individuals can have power if the haves the greets and the strength to go ahead and do it even though at the beginning, they look foolish. Each of us, you know all the pioneers look stupid at the beginning look foolish little crazy, and then people are following a. Until becomes a movement and that's what we need to do as individuals. We don't have to be afraid to look crazy at the beginning, but just go with the flow keep them going because individuals do have power. Plenty to do. you think that Kobe nineteen speeds up the accelerate accelerates this sustainability transition or on the contrary. That's a good question asking myself that question right the bit. I can see people eager like we saw yesterday in the UK. Non Essential Shops orbiting again in people queuing up behind prime market for hours so that Gives you. An indicator of what's happening and I'm sure people will be Qa not pineapples as soon as they opened again to fly and get away got probably and hopefully is little bump. Because then people and hopefully government relies got There is a lot money to be made into an ability. A good news hitting the UK is. Have used coal for the last sixty days. So it's been the majority of renewable energy power in, which is obviously lots of activities have been shot, which is very good news. And I hope that people who ride the tide and they will just. Keep them going with his momentum. All sustainable, Clean A. Better environment however, I do know. Economists, start again a hug could they will invest in. Clean Economy and clear in a new paradigm new energy sources new ways of thinking. The, my only issue as we prepare for this. So probably, not enough time to actually do that. But again, I'm still hopeful you know it's not. So us now interested in sustainability the wanted the right thing and you often when the market demand sustainability then companies and governments respond. So I, think we have a lot to power both professionals and US consumers as well. That's that's my very confused view of the future. You confused an I'm still shocked by the Pride Merck Story? There we told about. Slavery Modern Day. Slavery. Keys. Labor. those fantasies in Bangladesh in song. I didn't think people actually realized how bad it is. The. These shops and Marketing General Utah consumers as miss good to show them blink aside and they shiny side the high depend casually the dockside and if people knew more is like planet to documentary he in the UK change completely the the the public view on plastic people started becoming rustic free because they know how bad the plastic affects marine life. Before people were shown didn't realized, but it will still happening massively. So I think he takes a need to be shock to change people's mind but it can be done. We need purple more testimony that we need more celebrities shoving happens really are back. In. The dark side of things been that the sweat shop. So yeah, who recycling is not happening. At the people people just know is also. Thing people do not. And you know the the reason not focused on plastic and I think I, raised this question is one of the guests about about plastic I'm sitting here in. Deep the mainland. How do you want me to feel whatever feelings guilty on all classic in the Ocean let's say never even seen the ocean hugging I contribute to their plastic pollution in the ocean. But they stop it gets a lot of. Messages like one after one fields, movie, some ads, and so on. Fast fashion. Yeah I guess that person random person in behind the primer. Young it's just a cheap clothes that I've been missing so much. Why do I care where was where it was produced? You are right. That is not emotional. Connection will really changes. People's mind is emotional connection with session. We said issue if you are far from the university in see, maybe you don't have that the I'm sure if you see like cab attached to untangled. Strangled by in our prostate bag that will touch her nose whatever you leave at the moment did not been showing very much. You know the children working factories or the poor conditions that health conditions at no lighting stuff. So I think one that is not emotional connection nothing changes. The best way of changing thing says as I was saying someone who's good the storytelling like David, Brock, documentary, the became so famous. And telling the story and making that connection for people. and. Granted not everyone will feel you to emotional but majority will probably so. Yeah I'm calling for anyone. They has the opportunity to Utah shoot move actually there was a movie hunting under the name debt. The was about sweatshops was quite tragic sodden and it can be shown. MASTERPIECE BY A. Shocking to watch. Okay Virginia time to wrap it up. I've been keeping you for mother an hour, but I could go on and on. He do as you can tell. Everybody smiling usually I. Ask my guests to share. On movie or some other piece of advice slash suggestion to share with the listeners I think I will start with telling everybody to go check global on Amazon and I know you were you're trying to change your publisher. To a more ethical and sustainable one Kudos to that. Might my suggestion is that everyone goes to Amazon moment in eighty downloads them. By the `electronic version that's my case personally to to multiply this. Printed books, amounts especially when you're traveling a lot. But your turn what has influenced you multiple Momeni something that really comes to your mind on top of your mind that you would like to share a movie able something. I have to say is. It just a quote actually We also printed at the right the front of my book and I'm GonNa read Sorta. misquotes it because seems I had to really change my mind and my mindset? That is quite by Henry Ford. Any says whether you think you can, or you think you can't. You're right. And that's just to say you in charge of your own life. So whatever you're thinking you can do then you can do. But if you think you can't do it. Then that's it is old down to you. So if you want to change the world for the better, you have the power to do it. Every That's Being encompasses all that I'm trying to communicate to people. Really. Yeah. All the frames I am the head and. The bowery is also in your hands as soon as long as you have your head enhance, you were progressing you can do anything. Thank you so much. For your time and sharing the we stumbled me. I'm definitely going to my tasty tasty breakfasts. You start this one and it generates a domino effect. -solutely start with one good the habit to end the rescue of for show. So yeah. Thank you for having me on it. Real pleasure. You have a nice day. I appreciate you taking the time to join us today. I hope you love listening into this episode as much as I, love to work on it. You learn something new today and got inspired to take action M Mason. If you have any questions for me or Virginia, please don't hesitate to reach out to us. Only if you like the podcast subscribe share on your social media, leave a review on a platform you're listening on I would appreciate a lot if you rate us on our chaser page and leave review there I every play each and everyone in person. By taking your time to give your honest feedback, you helped me improve the show and also you held my other people interested in practical aspects of sustainability to discover the podcast. I always suggest some other related episodes and today I'd like to point you out to the episodes do the when episodes. For example, the one on sustainable business models with underneath can on how to practice system thinking. And another one is cold wellbeing health and environmental psychology with Lee. Chambres from essential is about use food routines for high performers here, I, also, of course, include sustainability professionals. The episode number three in my in my random rankin today, he's called. Woken up a social network for sustainability specialists interview with the founder Simon Polston Jones. On where lots of opportunities sit for anyone doing something in environmental and or social? Regard. And of course, the episode. From last year the earliest episode. That is called. Every job is a sustainability job discussion with Lincoln. On where we are in terms of sustainability job. This would be my top four suggestions on top of my mind of course. You're invited to check any other episodes that speak to you. We have a lot of exciting interviews on this podcast covering range of topics from. Organism Flowers building spire diverse ten conservation badge sheets cannabis. The way to tourism fashion economy and many more just find whatever whatever you'd like to listen and and go ahead. As well, reach out to me on link challenged me with your questions. Suggest guests maybe it's you. You're the next guests suggest topics. You'd like me to cover in the future and I will find who to invite who to talk the topic. About. And let's keep in touch. This was sustainability export episode number fourteen nine, and mean your host on the Chechen. Thank you again for listening for being with us today, and until next time as always we meet next Thursday. Take care stay sustainable by.

consultant UK Virginia Amazon founder and director facebook US Gregory La Lincoln partner China breen Green Gorilla Oxford Brookes Tampa Giancarlo Senate Leeds Research Titian
Hood Figga Cosplay

P.S.A Podcast

35:38 min | 5 months ago

Hood Figga Cosplay

"WHOA. The privacy sport. PODCAST. PODCAST. Walked a real life. It's. Clever narratives, original quotes, and creative use of satire order to the audience from negative paradigm put their own persons brought. This is by no means to them or best audience, but instead encourage showcase the respect. It might not be before PSA designed to showcase to listen to the power of the mind is not a joke and if a personal control, your mind ns thought, they will also meet control their luck. This podcasters entertainment educational purposes only. Not replaced. Or other types of professional hills audience. Being yourself because you don't WanNa feel like the outcast you just Kinda like go with the Gus go first of all, you know dear between Faecal Andrew. Before we get started with today's episode, we have to give a shoutout to a few of US sponsors shouted to the sponsor. Today's episode cannot be famous dot com, our website that will teach you the steps and give you the keys to become the biggest influence in taking your life to the next level, you will become an online superstar without having to sell your soul or by fake follow was take your business or brand to a level that supersedes workers have ever imagined. Starter business at the website cannot be famous dot com all lower case or hit up country cowboy instagram for more information. Listen I understand it's hard to be nutritious in today's society. That's what juice plus comes. Juice plus is a brand line of dietary supplements containing concentrated fruit and vegetable juice extracts four five added vitamins and nutrients. I. Right is something that help you get all the vegetables and fruits that you need daily. Are you gotTa do is take some capsules and do there and you'll see increase in your immune system. You'll notice you just feel lighter healthy throughout the debt I'm using myself. So I notice stuff works like I said, it's hard. To get your fruits and vegetables in you know because in reality to keep up with all the fruits of vessels that you need daily is kind possible. So this makes it very possible. I'm also partner if you like to get some juice plus starting with different plants that can be set up for you days affordable and it keep them coming monthly. Hit me up on instagram underscored easy bake oven or twitter underscore easy of ad hoc yields. Good Morning. Good evening right back at you. Popping out all black when cop-out like Katie got baynes. Random where Sheva come from Charlotte Takeda. got. Bands Katie got fan. COME DOWN PSA WE'RE GONNA hook you up if you come to. Everybody having good day everybody outright. So beautiful. Day. Thursday. Whatever time he listened to this afternoon evening whenever they wiki listening to ensure is GonNa be good. You know you might not listen to this twenty two. You might not listen to this Tony Twenty five either way. Is legit and his late. Again I WANNA. Thank everybody for their participation in love in their. say. Impact and their interaction with the MIC state. I think I can officially retired the phrase I don't know who needs to hear this. But just know that won't be the last time you hear from their mix tape in some way shape or form. All Right So we jump right into things today I'm GonNa go ahead and let you know now this week and next week be prepared because I'm coming with their fire and not just like great episode like You I'm staying some people. I'm I'm Mike Tyson Muhammed Ali jogging. With left hooks because. Today. I. WanNa talk about. Well the next two weeks especially I wanNA talk about the real pandemics. Some real things is going on I notice that I feel needs to meaty Scott. So. I'm already come Graham. I'm already coming at the gate on my. With today's tied today's title is called. Hood figure cost play. The mean read you don't have to fake a struggle to be accepted. I promise. Inspiration comes from the gray song by Gorilla Zoe the two, thousand, seven, eight, in era. Her figure. And you know that was the clean version because the reversion was You know who figure was like a, you know a Vinik word. Figure but you know he was really trying to say. comes from just the whole title of Koss play in the whole world of Casper. You know that's when people go to these different conventions in anime conventions in address license body from the show or movie wherever they go all out with it so. You know if you put the two nine together which I'm a breakdown, the minute you kind of go this. The phrase and a coke by Oscar while be yourself, everyone else has already taken. and. Just the other inspiration senior. So many people Shane for not being who or sharing from not being like, Oh, acting a certain way. A lot especially in the black community. So before I get into today's storytime, we actually have story time this week you know who figure cast play. So who figure CAST place. So you got a person that's doing kaas split of who? Cause it ain't really them they fake in the phone. Now. I'm also going to say this you know we're vulgar free podcasts for the most part but today I'm gonNA use the N. Word a lot. So there were you know makes you feel uncomfortable this disclaimer. Now you'll feel free to go for free to log out now while two keys zone for log on now but if not. STAY TUNES BUCKLE UP Enjoy the ARIGHT Today storytime is titled. T month. Theodore better known as t money was known for running the streets of bankhead Atlanta. That's when he was a his grandma's house elise. He showed his task talk with a swaying hung out with the drains the Rollo's in the taste. When he back to his mom's house and blockade he was a totally different person. He wore suits never grew hung out with the chastise. Michael's he also went by the door amongst them. He talked very proper. He says, if he had been around more white people his whole life, it was clear that felt the need to conform to whomever he was around. Whatever Chad Michael Tigar, he did however, whatever dray. Tae Amarillo did he did that to? Each group never knew by his other life for his double life that he was living. They each thought he was two totally different people and it was funny and he was able to get away with it because each group would never enter twice for any reason. The funny thing about all of this is we either know what Theodore acted like the Theodore or currently. At the door ourselves. Are. Right, so kind of a story that was just a description for the most part. So you know, let's from a store theater wanted to fit in. You know obviously like which group was around. That's who he was. He was around the killers in Arabas heat heat faking phone. But if he was around his other people, he was acting like them. The day. No himself. That's clear because if you have, you don't change your whole persona based on a different group come around like. ME, for example, when I'm this is me I am with air by now of course, certain things aren't done like you know as far as job of course, you don't do everything like yourself had a job but lifelock most part you're not GonNa Change your whole persona you know to accompany a group of people are you know a? System in a sense, and then last lesson is that the true you will eventually reveal itself. So although in this story, we didn't get a chance to that in reality you can fake. You can't live a double life level. So all that stuff you're doing like in this case, him trying to, you know go over here be like this global. There'd be like deadlight eventually, it was gonNA come out and eventually will come out so. Anybody. That's a theodore right now just no. T money whatever just knows it's GONNA come out. All. Right. So I went ahead and defy who from urban dictionary and I, got to definitions. It says born in the hood ghetto. Har- life and then it says an awesome friend who you love to hang with hours had fun with I. Tested a hanging will people be on do and a funny they? Always funny. At defy cost place says the practice of dressing up as a character from a movie book or video game. So you know against by technical definition UN doing cast play. If you're dressing up, you know trying to fit the role of just A. You know character distant just general character but in a sense, you still are so still kooning costly. Iraq. Okay. So moving onto cutesy in courses that need addressing question. So the first question why they're her name was always be having proper names. I don't know it's funny to me because even though I know people that I liked the Theodore's story as far as you know, they got this hard name within Ronan, some light rail proper. Some of them bought their like they just be having him names and I just think that's hilarious because it's like. I know your parents in expect mutilate his lifestyle. With a name like Kenneth. And is live or a name like. Cameron. You know something like that. You out her, you know living a lifestyle is like that ain't even you disappointing your parents right now because that that ain't this ain't the life they want to see you you know I'll no need to hear that. The second question is what everyone wants to be from the hood. Honestly, at this point, it became universal people from other. Backgrounds in you know different races be from now because they made it like a, you know Aphrodisiac I'm keeping that word of from last week they may like you know gear. Let's be from who you know listening from the struggle is be like this. You know always you know with black folks I felt like they were teeth in May to feel bad if you wasn't from who because of a few reason I'm getting related though but I think it just has become. A. Trend is become something popular like you see with the rap was you see entertainment they tried to push that all year you need to be from hood if you're not from the who what are you doing? So now people purposely will go and get out they Mama House and go and get them in an apartment in the hood on purpose. So they can stay lived in been about that and he's like you know you got you got some other stuff going on. The third one have you ever been teased or tax for not struggling me personally? Yes. I have I. think that interesting that people you know and again with these course Jon wants how to actually ourselves isn't just listening to Mideast these stuff you kinda get your mind going. I. Think IT'S because. It's like people really be mad at you because you didn't grow up struggling like how you think you'd better than somebody 'cause you didn't grow up you know with you know. You grew up with stuff you grew up not wondering what you don't eat for dental. You know you didn't grow wondering if you don't eat you know you didn't grow up. Doing Gourmet Rama noodles every night. One night, she do regular another night she's doing some shrimp in it to try to make like you got some Pasta Olive Garden the next night to put him on the bomb a sandwich tonight after that, you put him in your cereal day after that should make a salad it up in. It's just like what are we doing? What are we doing? But I I, you get an eight plus for creativity that I can't say that that that I can't say. The last question it kind of goes along with today's lesson is something that happened was I saw the day. Did you see? Did they trying to do a ribbon I prince but they're doing it in a way where it's like the first prince is like a drama. So as takes out the sitcom feeling is making like a drama and I think that's a perfect example of somebody going going from the hood to debate layer and how like we saw how in the course of the show which you know the first prince is show and might get hung on across the San what about to say but I don't like, no. I think I didn't watch it too many times and I'm just off the for sprints like I'm sick of this show like Martin I prince any day but I think I'm sick of it now, and so whenever come on I just Kinda get attitude like you know how you had them shows come on your show that you watch or go to sleep with this show on if it comes on wake up and change, I can't do it. But point that I'm making his interest in the house because of the show you saw him kinda transforming says he went from who gave from Philly. You know who he was still in them but he kind of conformed to his new lifestyle and that's the thing. I feel like sometimes society you know you can still be you. Still, you know upgrade but not necessarily changed who you are and I think that was great to see that will. Smith, teach he didn't change who he was just upgrade and that's something we kinda gotta get into because a you upgrade is no still don't people. There's like all remember us to do ABC first of all, it's not what I do know and secondly he never turn his back on his spot or his place. He just you know a made me who I am but. It's time to go to the next level and the unfortunate thing is I. Think Society has gotten comfortable being like I'm from hood. This is always GonNa be, and I'm always live this lifestyle because I have a image to keep up an image that you you know trying to keep up with people's opinions of you are trying not to look like a sellout when in reality not always but a lot of them cases people just behaving because they couldn't get to where you at. Home. Iraq so Coming from Utah County Councils Dot. com it says I believe other fundamental human need we possess as the need for relatedness social creatures. By nature, we are linked to each other from birth to death already says, social scientists have long recognized. The critical function relatedness plays from the bonding and attachment. So vital in infancy to central role being actively involved in law's. Other, plays for the elderly our. So here's the thing we all want in. So you have to understand why people kind and not even just with the WHO stuff. Again me in the hood of is to be funny, point a reference but in reality we all WANNA fit in. We all people that accept us we want to relate to these people and sometimes. People You I. Think we've all been there some point or another where we kinda like, okay. Let me act like this or do like this or they'll accept me and you know N is likely not being yourself but because you don't WanNa feel like the outcast, you just Kinda live go with the gus go and you just kind of do like that. You know, and then again, maybe you are around the people and you know that's just who you are. But at the same time, get a Lotta people ain't that that you know some people really about this you know killing Robin stealing you know flipping bricks, selling drugs doing all that kinda stuff and some people only do it because i. got something to prove. And you know it's just that some else we got we'll get into later. The next part says preparation you do some killing robbing and stealing. So here's bank personally, I love the killers in rows you know but if your name is ernest and you going buy a nasty just kinda like come on now if my name was ernest I'd go by nickname to you know but the point that I'm making this. Ain't meant to be no killer y'all got these guns, and if I was in a position to use it, you're going to be Shakya, handle be shaking like a baby calf when it come out like the Mama womb trying to walk by yes. How you'll hang on shaking stop stop acting like you're gonNA kill somebody and I hate how people be like, Oh, you gotta be like a hook you gotta be who it to have a gun and shoot somebody do you not see school shooters? They. Don't be who do not see these people that shot you know these black folks in these different neighborhoods and things and it doesn't matty's Asians used Hispanic. US guys like I. Don't get that logic words like all only black people can use guns. I. Think they're stupid and it's all black people that make that logic. So we got to debunk these logic and I'm bringing a word back. We heard in a while paradigm shift I gotTa bring that word bags on us. We need a new we need to shift. That's essentially the purpose of this podcast what we need a shift in not mine how we think not released. It's not. I'm sick of it. Is there at some of the most serious disorders of Adolescent Adele who reflected disturbance in relates of many serial rapists killers suffer from blatant lack of empathy and often described as loners example Jeffrey Dahmer or other eccentrics said care can pronounce that others like Ted Bundy more cunning in hiding their extreme pathology obviously struggled to relate into of his in a normal healthy fashion. So again, people kinda go crazy sometimes when they don't really fit in a TROTTA. More to the people around them but in reality not nothing is okay to be But what I'm saying there's a lot of times we meant to stand out I know certain people who they didn't fit in with athletes. They was to athletes for the regular people and then they was to for -letes was to wear for the word for the regular people but they wasn't worried enough for the actual where people you know. They was too smart for the regular for non smart but I wasn't smart enough for smart people. It's like they never fitting thanks to blackfoot the black people to black white people to white for the black people is just dump people and I'm sure this ringing the bell with somebody somebody relating like you just never fit in with any group but that's because you made the stand out clearly. So you know I think sometimes. Everyone claims to be so different but in reality, the main people that say different really not. Because a lot of y'all just lighten acid is another episode just like you off ranch at all the same. You know again, everybody wants to be instagram monitored by WANNA be trapping. WHO But again, a lot of that has to do with you know social media in entertainment. So again, eighty made it like a fetish almos-. The last part they come from that signed website says while the need for leading perhaps most clearly evident when discussing abnormal development, it is undoubtedly a fundamental part of normal development is will our daily lives are governed by needs to be accepted by others to be valued in a firm by them children forever, seeking approval from their parents appears employees energized by pat on the back from supervisors grandma GRANDPA liked to know that they haven't been forgotten by the rest of us. So you know we typically like to be seen accepted in love. So sometimes, people might you know go to doing stuff that ain't in a character just so you know they can get their pat on the back sometimes people. Bully. Other people just because they. We see that especially when you're younger bullying other people just because they feel like you know I'm low key like you but I'm bullying you because everybody don't like what you're doing. But see you couldn't get away with being cause some people in this a move. I can't think of one movies, words like the two people bulb doing the same stuff but this person can't hide what they doing this one. It's like they can kinda like fake the funk Becca holiday weirdness because they don't want they were in this to be discovered they beat up the other person a mess with them because his lot. Okay. With you I I can get away with being. You can. So I'm joining with them because I. Want People to talk about me in his that kind of thing when we saw caught up in what people say about us that we you know. We don't know who we are. and. Again I get why people do that. You know as always got flip the narrative I get why people we wanNA feel related. You know we want to be able to relate to other people. So we'll do whatever in some cases I'm extreme some little but to make to where accept doesn't love us but in reality is like you only hurt yourself because once you start, you want you create a role you gotta live up to it in a living a lie. So. This is the thing with it. This is the issue with fake who niggers young ladies. Again they wanNA feel except so. Is there a proper light a thing for that I think it is A low key identity crisis. Now define identity crushed in a minute, but here's the thing. Goddamn be from WHO does play a role and I noticed that I mentioned earlier especially black people. We like to clough people who are from. We light to make them feel bad because they sound a certain way or they dress a certain way or act a certain way and is this is ignorant. Is One thing we did as kids. But this brought people that still be doing I'd be like not stupid you look. This is what I've identified two reasons. The first one is jealousy. So a lot of times people be mad because again, you didn't struggle they sought to you didn't struggle a they feel like, oh, you struggle you ain't real. You Ain't real black person. You Ain't really that initials you mad because. They got whatever they wanted and needed and you had to you know survival mode for and I've noticed too and not even just from the hood just people in general because everyone is a lot of people are in poverty you know it ain't just black folks everybody and even all across the board people in poverty tried a pig down or turn down people who are have stuff I have grown up with stuff as if like, oh you think you'd better to me no, you'd think they'd better do. that. That's the we'll talk about that. You'd think they'd better to use you may and is like. Okay, and if you know for me I've I've dealt with it before and my thing is and especially now the ones that grew up in survival mode I'll be out hustling you. And I doing nothing illegal. So it's like you know just. Down now. The other one thing is to. They feel like if they feel like they from the hood, they feel superior. So typically people from the hood in the U. Black and you made it out. You Ain't did you ain't never been jail this that you feel like I'm better than them. We because I've had a hard life than them, but which I gotta understand is everybody's hard life. Is Not the same people who grew up with everything they wanted and still kill themselves if people who grow everything they wanted and still had low self-esteem student fitting still stroke you know. So it's like we gotta get their mindset of being the only struggle and hopefully I'm shifting narrative today a breaking paradigm of making it. That's the only way to be. Hopefully somebody you know. People don't want to sell out to be accepted. But sometimes people do for instance, will people jumping off a cliff? You know it's like. Their body go jump off the cliff I ain't jumping off cliffs personal I meet if I'm if y'all jumping off the cliff now already did. y'All follow what I do. And it's funny because looking back like you grew up with people in high school middle school and it's like nat plan with guns and they music videos and this slide which you don't. Get that. Another thing that society idolizes I've noticed this fighting like, why are we souleye Oh gear we? Yes it was cool. We were talking to all to be worried about fighting. and. Is A lie. A lie you to that life you WanNa you WANNA glorify fighting to boxing ring. Like I'll do that outside fighting fo-. 'cause somebody's inwards Gogi guns could at some of them just going shoot because the personal and now you date now you laid later bed or you can kill somebody out trying to prove something and now you own 'cause you get caught. So. Yup I like to call it the new affect. So you probably think what is the new fake? All right. So first of all I'm dropping gotta drop the book because I keep coming up these last three episodes with some crazy stuff, right? The Nunu effect is basically remembering year new, right he was basically the female version of the storytime early. So basically she was from the you know how predominantly White Area You know had a rich heritage parents had House. A yet, she was over there kicking with the WHO is folks acting like new change of voice up doing a her a certain leading go home and her name was something proper. I can't remember right now and that's how y'all. IAGO dominant housing be Standing Mansions I never had won't for nothing and they come to college go out in another city in China's fake the funk like you just this you know you the track queen or you kingpin and I want to you know something y'all GonNa get exposed eventually. So when you make your way where the young and get exposed, there's going to be somebody going get on that platform and they're gonNA try to put you down umbrella remember day him that he wouldn't doing as she wasn't doing that so. Just think about that and sometimes it's the people you dake transformed me out too. So we got gotta thought that Monkey Richner to sometimes somebody he was dating. They was the you know this kind of transformed you into something that you not but you just kind of weird because he was in love so or at least you up. Finally. I can define identity crisis, a period of uncertainty confusion in which a person's sense of identity becomes insecure typically due to a change in their expected earnings role in society. So again, you try to conform to society and be like these people that ain't you, and maybe you are putting the situation where. This leader part let's just talk about you know. A list, flip the let's flip the you know the narrative. So say you are a black person that grew up in who you are put in a predominantly white environment. Was To, say you're not going to change how you act because you don't want them to judge you now. So you China, like same like you're like them or you're like, you know you didn't grow up struggling you trying to fake like you know you something you not just so that you can be accepted and people do that too. It's not always the WHO is always sometimes other way around it's not even just. We'll rice this just another one you might go somewhere where you know these people dress a certain way and you dress this way because you around them you want to relate to them you're gonNA start changing apply you dress to feel you know accepted so it ain't even outweighs racist jess, it just life in general but the beauty is when you truly know yourself none of that will phase 'cause you're not gonNA care. Coming from the source early, it says that from the Utah County when it says that the intense needs to be liked though the more macho amongst downplay altogether denied this is perhaps best illustrated one considering it's opposite be rejected by a rebuff by others for most of us quite an unpleasant experience indeed much in the way of human behavior seems to stemmed from an effort to avoid censor from. Of others even on a good day can lead to a blue move over a very bad day illicit suicidal feelings. So the thing is we try to like not bother we act like we don't care like, Oh, I don't a I don't care. You know whatever is just me in you know our occur I like the I like being a different one. You know we act like they're you know being rejected bothers is okay for to Bobby. Okay to feel through the the issue is we try to ignore it and we try to ignore keeps coming back up because we never truly just felt it. You know I think if you really ain't if you ain't never really rejection, you ain't really been in the right position because if you just accepted by everybody doing some right. And if you reject the by everybody, you might be doing some right maybe because some of y'all just like being to with people. Yeah. Like just being outcast on purpose and sometimes some people like being they didn't created the persona of trying to be so different so bad because they just like being hated all day like when people at odds with them. But in that case, you've got some other stuff going on because that's that's not normally. So. Big about that. You know. This is the thing. People really developed complex because I don't feed in and it starts to do things that aren't like them. We all know somebody like that. He might be there personally might have been person. But I'm here today to hopefully deliberate you from the mindset feel like he needs fitting cop stand out. You know you'll king your coin whoever you are, and you know sometimes you need the reassurance. With that being said, I, did some research and I found some that says lies and misconceptions about the hood from Dame young was article. So he had a he had quite a few. Misconceptions, but only pick like four that I thought was interesting. The first one that says kids who are smarter tease and bully for acting white. This is very true. You know in my lifetime I've even been told I. I've been told I was you know very, you know I guess because I'm articulating I know how to use words correctly unlike a lot of other people who you know don't know how and they think they do so many people just be using words just improperly just. That ain't right. And they think they'd be sounded smart and I'll be Louca now just. Only y'all from I. Just I just let him. Happy. You know. If you real smart is like some wrong with you and I know people have been in predicaments where even down play how smart they were. Just sold like they wouldn't get judged and it's really unfortunate because you missed the island light trying to keep up with somebody. Says the next one all drug dealers have money. That's natural Nelson Brooklyn's it says you have to know how to fight because that's the only way you'll be able to survive. That's not the case because everybody who is not it's it's regular people in to you know it's not always this. You know we didn't create this identity or this idea that all people in the hood are like they're saying it's not like that it's be weird people who to everyone's in the hood they don't really you know is this. Could be here all day with that is the last one says that people are controlled by concentrated violence. That's not always true. Sometimes it is but a lot of cases now also don't trump he said, no, not all, but some cases, a lot of time people who are like this because of the lifestyle they living, but then some people got going on at home too. So you know gotTa Flip Arrack. So my tendency, my college students, you know first of all, you know different fake and the real. So right 'cause technically not all cases a lot of cases the ruins is going to be in school. The room was still living that lifestyle they're not going to be in school some now. Still. All but for the most part, a lot of these was just come to college trying to be some trying to act like something because they want people fear them. They want they feel like they have power doing. So you know eventually they're persons will be revealed. Exposed is late at. That's why you need to be a sales. Hang with people who enjoy a natural vibe remembered as you ain't for everybody. So I definitely about me I'm not everybody that's okay. But the type of person I am I can get a loan. I can't get along with a lot from. You know different races, different backgrounds get along with other people and I like that because you know I'm not limited to a certain demographic. Just 'cause you from who you can try new things. I feel like something I've heard off from down do that like what you mean like you grown you're not living there no more like get out this stupid mindset of you can't try new stuff 'cause law firm that I don't do the I ain't never done that before we can try now. You. Ain't sign no contract they could try new. The last one, it of feels with a goes along with the last one that just says don't be closed minded. We sold closed minded. We now not going to do that I'm not gonNA try that it's not gonNa work. Let that go because it's just it's holding you back and it's not worth it. It's not worth. Ending off I just think about like. The whole, the whole identity. I just think about the whole tyler is also who who I say figure but really that's the clean play because it's like it's really people out here they dress like Acolyte role and is really lie bro Nobody. Cares. You not from Lewis Okay I promise. You don't have to play their role people really out here cost plane y'all somebody tried to say sweetie was doing. CAST play novelist live. That's where the that's where the phrase even came from from me. When says she was trying to do cost because I was lying while John Lewis but it was funny though. Is Pretty Fun. Our HR question challenge for today's real simple question. Have you ever felt the need to prove yourself and I want you to tell me how and windows you know would you do? Guy Tell me lie. Williams's what did you do you know they got formed that you'll be like Nah I'm not doing that you know and if he didn't go for you for not being a follow. Iraq. Back off two men this week tune in next week another half fire episode, PSA signing hours McKee hit lucky Ned Kurt remember who you are. Okay. Let me stop there. Remember who you are. Like I posted on their meeting this week. Please don't forget who you are because trying to keep up with something because when you be careful you pretend to be you might forget who you are. Because they you trying to do something ain't you look real goofy. So. Nigger.

Iraq Theodore instagram US Gus Utah County Katie Chad Michael Tigar I. Think Society partner John Lewis China Gorilla Zoe WHO Sheva San boxing Mike Tyson Muhammed Ali
Effectively Wild Episode 1537: Our Hall of Fame Fives

Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

1:30:44 hr | 9 months ago

Effectively Wild Episode 1537: Our Hall of Fame Fives

"The show good morning and welcome to episode fifteen thirty seven of affective we wild baseball podcast finger com brought to you by heart. Patriot on supporters. I SAMUEL ESPN along with make rally fan graphs and then Lindberg of the ringer. Hello we're all here today because we're all going to be picking things but I got a bone to pick. It's not an essay. It was I I have. I have been on edge all day anytime I write an article. I'm expecting if for like two or three hours. I'm just holding my breath. It goes public afraid that I have made some like a ghastly mistake and so I just have been walking around with nerves all day so anytime. Someone says hey. I wanted to mention something that you did. Then I immediately think well this is. This is career ending must be. Yeah exactly so made told us it right before right before this started that. She wanted to address something. She wanted to clear the air to resolve something from a previous episode assuming scores. I'm assuming that this is it folks. This is this is the fleetwood MAC episode. We are maybe never going to to make it out of your life well. I'm really glad I didn't say anything before now. To make you no I I was going to admit to a bit of personal failure and and goofiness. It has nothing to do with you. I'M GONNA take issue with myself so I was catching up on on episodes that the two of you had recorded 'cause I was a little bit behind doing stuff and being busy and you know how sometimes when you're listening to something while you're needing a soundtrack for an activity in this case for me it was cleaning the kitchen and I like listening to episode fifteen thirty four which had a really just excellent step last cover and I was listening to the stab last what. I was only only half listening because was busy. You know what's in the kitchen. Yeah and you did a good stab less on championship. Leverage Index and the Highest Championship Leverage. Indexed plays by that measure. And you talked quite a bit about Eddie Murray. And in my head. I heard you say Eddie Murphy and it took until the end of that segment to for me to not realize how silly this question was which was gosh right. We talk more about Eddie Murphy. Having majorly curve I I realized my air before. I said anything to anybody or or fired off a tweet that would have been. That would have been the worst. That would have been maximally embarrassing but I probably sat with that question. In my brain sort of unconsidered for a good ten minutes and then I was like wait a minute. I think I heard that wrong. Eddie Murphy did we mention. I feel like we might have mentioned Eddie Murphy in the Michael Jordan Baseball episode as or maybe I just thought it as an example of a person who was like at the very very very top of a field and then midway through went to a field where he embarrassed for him to be in it and in this case Eddie. Murphy's foray into pop music which was roundly. I think has survived largely remembered as as as a failure but I guess we probably didn't mention that in the Michael Jordan episode Eddie Murphy. The ballplayer lead the majors in caught stealing in nineteen fourteen with thirty two. Yeah while also leading the majors with twelve hit by pitches So he tried to branch out into a different area of the game and he failed miserably to hit stuff but not so good at stealing. I do also love that. My brain's reaction to miss hearing was not to assume that there was another ballplayer named Eddie Murphy. But that Eddie Murphy. The comedian had a major league career. I think it was because I finally watched his big screen debut forty-eight hours which I just missed I just missed it and I was sitting there thinking as I was watching. Forty eight hours. Well why isn't this on cable more? And then you hear some language and you're like Oh that's why so it might have been might have been that sticking up there my brain but yeah it was just a really a really great moment and then I realized I was a big do. F- that was all the had that was it. All right okay. I dreamed last night I had a very long dream last night and then I woke up and then I went to sleep and I dreamed that I told the story of the very long dream in detail in Banter as Banbury and now I'm telling the story of the PANTER but making it progressively shorter done. I've very rarely remember my dreams and so I feel very left out when people share their dreams except they're probably grateful that I don't share my dreams because no one cares about anyone else's dreams so I'm doing you all at service by forgetting my wife. My wife and my wife cares about all dreams. So if you've ever have one she would actually like to hear it. If I ever do. Remember one it'll probably be really momentous and it will definitely signify something so I will let her know Ben. What do you think I guess both both of you? What do you think about dream episodes of Lake of a television? There's the Sopranos Dream episode and there was the man men dream episode and there was an X. files drug hallucination episode. And you know so a Lotta Times. We'll have dream sequences parts of where they're recounting dreams. What's your what's your take hate. It added to drug hallucination episode experience with drug use nations fairly limited. But I imagined that it's much more fun to be the one experiencing that unless it's terrible sometimes it's terrible. Perhaps but I imagine it's much more fun to experience than to watch the experience in fictionalized form so I always want to be over as soon as possible. I tend to be fairly lucid dreamer and I remember of my dreams and even saying that I find that dreams as portrayed on TV or never strange enough. They're always to coherence. And then when you make them incoherent to the point of being actually dreamlike. They're often very bad television so I think it's just a really tricky thing to get right in of very rarely does happen. It's better for things to just be sort of dreamlike an unintentional way or at least not structured or presented as a dream like. I'd prefer just like You Know I. I like something more twin peaks where you're like this is sort of dreamlike but not in A. Hey here's dream our dream sequences in but anyway you know it's weird because I mean obviously obviously all fiction is fiction. It's created it's made up and if you're you know watching TV show and it says that Tony Soprano wacked arrival. I mean you know that he didn't because he's not real and neither is the rival but a dream is not even real within the thing and so you're you're not even supposed to put aside. You're not even supposed to suspend your disbelief because it's not even real in the in the fiction it's just too it's two sub textual. I mean I feel like it's like what I think dream. Sequences tend to be the the writer wants to really bring the subtext to the surface because the writer does not think that we are getting it. But can't just say okay folks. Here's the subtext. I'M GONNA put it in pros for you. So they're trying to find a more artistic and kind of oblique way of of bringing the subtext right in front of you and it just feels like like a lecture. Yes you're sympathetic. 'cause it's like how many more ways are there to talk about men in their fathers but it's ultimately not the best storytelling by some of the best storytelling device. In my opinion is a three person podcast. And so we've had the whole crew together here. This is nice. We're going to today. It's not exactly a draft. It's uncompetitive but we are going to be each of us picking five items from our lifetime that we would preserve the baseball hall of fame if we could only preserve five items so like the first five things that we would pick to preserve in the baseball hall of fame. Is that accurate? Yeah Okay we have Loosely decided on some categories. Those categories are What a one is a paper artifact? One is an equipment artifact is up here I'm scrolling. Where are looting clothing clothing a clothing artifact and what's the other one a wildcard a wild card to the wildcard could be anything exactly can be anything and then a Mike Trout artifact or might trout? Whatever so that's what we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA do all right. Yeah could be competitive. Who'S TO SAY WON'T BE COMPETITIVE? Pick the best ones. If if you say something that I also have is their rule. Can I can just say I had that as well. And we'll talk about it together or we say that's fine but maybe we can offer some alternatives that we considered impact. All right sounds fantastic. I have to figure out which of mine actually can fit in these categories. So make one you start. Okay I'M GONNA take. Can I just pick a category? We'll just pick whichever one so. I'm taking equipment as the first category and with that I am taking a pitch affects unit. That's a good one. I interpreted equipment. Broadly and I picked that because of the effect that pitch affects had not only in the way that we understand the team's understanding sort of think about Pitching in pitch design. And you know how they're gonNA sort of impart that into player development but also the way that we as the baseball viewing public and as baseball writers. Think about an analyze baseball because we suddenly knew quite a bit more about individual pitchers and by virtue of some data feeds beings. Accident revealed to all of us. We're able to incorporate that into our analysis and so I think that I and many others including I think both of you tend to think of pitching and Beijing. Data's pre and post paychecks and so I took pitch affects the pitch affects. Unit is a unit. Right it's sort of track man. There's a there's a box so that's a piece of equipment. So my recollection is that it was a hard drive connected to the cameras around. Are you going to set it up in the room so that you have a couple of them are up high? Yeah like like they would be on light posts one is out in Centerfield and all that. Yeah sure and do you have a particular one in mind I do not? I interpreted it. Broadly as sort of the typical. Maybe we want the first one. It's the hall of fame so the first the very first one installed in a major league ballpark. I don't know which one that was. But the first one That feels I one museum e Been out in San Francisco. Possibly dispersion was out there in the Sunset Jeff X. conferences out there. That's a good one. I wasn't gonNA take it but I'm surprised that it wasn't going to take it because I believe that on episode five hundred the first time we did our things we like about baseball draft with JEFF AND GRANT. I think my first pick was pitch fx draft because it really has given us a lot of knowledge and content definitely created a lot of content for all of us and has improved our understanding of baseball. And change the game in a Lotta ways. So if you're going for items that are emblematic of the era or the artifacts that had some really significant effect and change the game. You can't go wrong with that. I mean I guess you could say that. Like quest tech is a precursor. There's some even more primitive versions that came before pitch F x but in terms of being installed everywhere and everyone having access to it out on the Internet pitch affects is probably the big one. I was just going to say I feel a sense of relief when I look at a pitchers player page at fan graphs and they have pitched entirely within the pitcher affects era. I feel like I know more stuff about them like I I love so much. That Clayton Kershaw's entire career has taken place in front of in front of some sort of pitch tracking instruments and obviously they changed over time and now use track manorial Hawkeye and all sorts of stuff but there is a a satisfaction and a feeling of greater certainty perhaps a false sense of urgency but a feeling of greater certainty that we know more. We just know more stuff. More PRECISELY ABOUT GUYS. Hughes parody of their careers took place over the span of a pitcher. Heck Sarah so yeah it is a it is really annoying. When you have pitchers who like Greg Maddux Tom? Glavin who have like one line of at the very end. And you're trying desperately to form a cohesive article about career using that data. But you don't know what does any of that reflect what they were doing when they were at their peak. Does the pitch type have anything to do with it? Does the movement have anything to do with it? And so you end up having data that. It's just very very frustrating. It'd be like if you were trying to draw a portrait of Willie. Mays an all you had was like two stills from the nineteen seventy three world series make it look like Willie mays and you could but it's Willie amazing decline rather than Willie mays in his full glory. Yeah pitcher Max is great. I agree a lot of these without thinking about it. I was landing on items that I felt like either ended an era or began an era and pitch F X in a way was both because was the last time that we had access to the whole like to everything that teams had essentially. We also had. We were right there with them. Thanks to the ability to scrape all that data so in that sense. It's the end of the era where we as people on the Internet could realistically compete with teams using the same information and also in a Lotta ways. It's the beginning of an era because created the the big data era in baseball. It's an obvious. Precursor to stat cast and it marks the modern moment where we could see all of Clayton Kershaw. Where like there's a big difference between Clayton Kershaw in our in our minds and somebody like Pedro who only had one or two years the end of his career. Or or you know anybody before who had none Would you consider the camera? The quest tech camera that curt schilling punched to be close enough to pitch. F X TO TO BE ONE. If you're looking for a specific camera sheriff bring in Curt Schilling into the story. We WanNA print curt schilling showing some museums. Better story like I. There are a couple of my items that I'm somewhat ambivalent about so you bringing in curt schilling you're bringing in the Robo aspect of it as well. You have a specific smashed camera visual on the other hand though it is not pitch. It's only a precursor to pitch effect. So I don't know if it's I don't know if it counts. I don't know if it would be good. I it might be better if you just stuck with with One of the actual pitch fx you. That was the first stone on the road towards robot ups though and presumably will get there right and people will look back at quest tech as kind of the the mile marker there because that was the thing that revealed that empires could be a lot. Better that actually tried to quantify good or bad. They were and to try to correct their behavior. And it's a pretty direct line from quantifying how bad they are trying to make them better to just saying well. Let's have the machine do it. So ultimately I think that will be pretty significant. Okay affects is a good one. All right we're one fifteenth of the way to having a pretty comprehensive museum I think All right all right then. Why don't you go okay? So for my piece of equipment. I am taking the ball. That Barry Bonds hit off of Eric Gonyea in April two thousand and four so good. Yeah well I'm trying to pit. Him Is eras here in some of the biggest stories of my lifetime and PD's not necessarily one of my favorite stories of my lifetime but certainly one of the most significant one of the most dominant. And I tried to think of all the different things that I could get to represent the PD ERA. Here in. You know you could just take like the baller. The Bat mcgwire hit sixty two or seventy with or that bonds broke seventy with IRV. You know the seven fifty six or whatever milestone baller bat that you want or even the andro bottle that was spotted in mark. Mcgwire's locker in nineteen ninety. Eight and briefly caused a kerfuffle but to me I think I want my items to tell a story I want them to be kind of fun to talk about because you know you look at a milestone baller bat and you say that's nice. That was the ball. He hid out but doesn't really tell you a story. The story is about everything that led up to that point really that got that player to the milestone. Except with this ball. The story is really the confrontation between those two guys at more or less the peak of their powers bonds the reigning MVP. Ganja the reigning. Cy Young winner both juice to the gills just took power versus and bonds one because buns couldn't be beaten and I kinda wanted something. I don't have a lot of players specific items on my list here. Because it's pretty rare other than than trout items which we've mandated. It's pretty rare for a player to define like my whole lifetime. No player spends that whole time and individual players have a hard time changing baseball or breaking baseball but Barry Bonds did break baseball. I think more than any other player in my lifetime and I considered the bat that he did not swing when he walked with the bases loaded. Because I thought maybe that would be emblematic of the way that he just was like a cheat code and literally cheated and so no one wanted to face and you would put him on even if it meant automatic run but that was ninety eight which I kind of forgot that was before Barry Bonds started taking whatever very started taking as far as we can termine which in a way makes Berry buns more impressive because he was kidding. Walk with the bases loaded. Even before that point but on the other hand there are other players who've been walked with the bases loaded like Josh Hamilton was walked with the bases loaded in not even his best year. So it's not necessarily something that only the best player ever has happened to them. It says something about the manager may be as much as the player and buns like the the intentional walks are almost interesting or more emblematic of buns than the Tigers. Because he hit more than everyone else but he blew away. Everyone with the intentional walks in. That just goes to show have feared he was but the two thousand four bonds. Gonyea at Bat. I just went back and watched it for like the dozen time and it really is watching to superhuman people just compete at this game that no one else was really playing or that no one else would be able to play naturally and one of the broadcasters in the clip. I was watching after the home. Run SAYS I'm not sure which guys from the other planet but that was incredible because you can't even tell which one of them is more probable cause Gonyea is you know throw in triple digits and then bonds in that same bet. He's taking impossible pitches to take and he's also using a supposedly hundred one. Mph pitch foul. His Bat was too quick and he hit it a mile and then he straightened it out and hit the Honan. What was supposedly one hundred MPH pitch and no? There's some controversy about whether the stadium gun was also a bit juice that day. But there's also a fun back story about how Ghanaian pants were on the same exhibition team in Japan. And they had this whole thing about if they ever faced each other gonyea promised to pump all balls except for one non fastball and so it really was just power versus power might versus might and bonds win the battle and I think watching those two guys do what they did. Just to me kind of encapsulates that entire era. Yeah that I. I'm really glad that you picked that home. Run rather than any of the bond home runs that are worried their historic or rain or that mattered. I think that there's something. In retrospect I've really come to feel that that the good parts about watching bonds play where the stuff that didn't actually matter like this one where he could just get challenged by Eric Gonyea. Because he didn't represent a run that he wasn't the tying run or better. And so you could just see like you say to baseball players. Who had you know like ruined their bodies in order to become something barely barely still human and just to see this kind of aesthetic maximum maximization of baseball skills Without it tarnishing anything. Because ultimately that plate appearance didn't didn't really matter and so it's the very fact that he couldn't even tie the game. No one cares about that home. Run as a as a pollutant. In the sport the way that they care about homerun number seventy three or number seven fifty six and so it it does feel like the appropriate way to put Barry Bonds career in perspective is that it was ultimately cheapen meaningless. Swab the ball. If it's still intact and I can get all kinds of cream and clear off that thing to see what they had in their bloodstreams. That point that the intentional one a. You're you're right that it makes it more. It's a testament to bond that he was also being intentionally walked to the bases loaded before he was not juicing juicing and it would be a fitting pick because I think because it was the the true bonds pure bonds does feel like everybody. Who Won't you know who who who who won't vote for Barry Bonds for the hall of fame not everybody. There's also the the personal issues as well and the domestic violence Accusations as well but at least as regards to these steroid com part of it. You know most people who won't vote for him for steroids. Reasons Acknowledged that that they would have voted for him as of nineteen ninety nine. There's a sort of a longing that his career had could have ended then so that they did not have to not vote for Barry Bonds. Ninety eight bonds was also a good bonds and a little bit. He should become a cobbler he should have. He should've Daniel day-lewis it. That's absolutely right. He should become a cobbler. Also I think the cream and the clear Lake Jonathan Franzen ever. It's a baseball novel. Isn't that what he's and I want to say like. I'm not putting this in the hall because I think this is the best version a baseball or that should do what they were doing it. I'm not even necessarily so breeding it. I'm just saying if I want my hall to be representative of that era. If it's a museum of baseball if we're going to be honest about what? The history of baseball was then. I think you have to acknowledge it and I can't think of a better way to do that. Were more interesting way to do that. All right my pick for equipment is it is going to be really boring. I think this is my most boring. But I'm taking the baseball that Kris Bryant through Anthony Rizzo and the twenty sixteen world series. Because of for one reason one reason only I have a I may have said it here before but I feel like that is the last storyline from the previous century. A baseball that hadn't been resolved or from deep into the previous entry. Like you could have gone to a baseball fan in the Nineteen Thirties. And Ben like what do you want to know about the future and like like all the storylines in baseball? What do you want to know and every single question that they could've asked that was tied to the baseball fan that they had has been addressed had been addressed by by two thousand sixteen and the last thing that that hypothetical fan might have asked as when when when when will the cubs ever win a world series and it took until two thousand sixteen but it was? It was finally resolved and I feel like that is one of the places where I now mark a era shift in baseball history because the twentieth century was a baseball was finally over that we are now in the twenty first century. All the stories that were that were rooting for our twenty first century stories. The twentieth century is finally put to bed with the cubs winning that and as the cubs red sox and white sox droughts were all released substantial parts of Baseball Lore throughout my lifetime so to have them finally resolved really. Was You know Cathartic? It was emotional for for everybody not just cubs fans the other one. I thought it was very much in the same vein. And if I'm stealing one of yours. Sorry we'll edit this out but it was a couple of weeks earlier. Vince scully. Did his last broadcast so I thought about doing for equipment Vin. Scully's microphone because he's the other part of the twentieth century. That was still still going strong into the year. Two Thousand Sixteen and once he retired it also felt like twentieth century. Baseball was now history rather than present in any way. Yeah I had I had to and now I'm nervous. Because the other the other virgin category version of this draft which we all realised ours would fit into was more wedding. Themed something old something new something borrowed something blue. And if that were our concept I would feel confident that I am not trading on the wildcard artifact category but now I'm less confident but I am worried that if I don't mention them now then we won't have occasion to later try. Should I mentioned the now should I just? They can be wildcards to I. Suppose if you don't come up in the wildcard category years. You have backups that you're thinking of of saying you're backups for the category. Yeah I've I really struggled with the decision of whether to bring up Vince. Gully right there and the only reason I did is because it was twenty sixteen and it was the same month and so I say save it and say that we can get anything. We haven't mentioned our chest. I think I might have aired by bringing it up because that's GONNA take it. Yes very clearly equipment to these minor. More Amorphous Alright okay. Mine don't even fit the key. I don't even know what I'm doing. Great all right okay. all right should I? Should we keep going the same order? You WanNa pick a new category for us. Make sure sure we can go in the same order. I will go to paper. Let's go to paper show in the paper category. I am putting in a Rod's contract with the Rangers. His tire stop. I also picked the great you you sell it and then when it's my turn I'll sell it. This is the beer guy all over again Sam. It's good I'm glad if we're what's wrong with Ben over there with the wrong answer with it Ben. So so I picked a Rod's tenure two hundred and fifty million dollar contract with the Texas Rangers. My thinking was that this sort of typifies. A couple of things one his contract with them. is still depending on how exactly you measure it very much in the conversation for one of the biggest contracts ever at least on an inflation adjusted basis. I think that it it accomplished a couple of things. It established the era of the mega deal. The megadeal era go back and read some of the quotes on Arabs deal. There are a lot of people who just thought that baseball was in jeopardy right. The baseball ending as a result of this deal getting signed the people not think that a pep baseball. Yeah and I should say a lot of those. A lot of those folks who were The most concerned Were baseball executives. Who were suddenly realize good? We're going to have to pay some of these guys are might have to pay some of these guys But so I think that it. It typifies a an era of of baseball. It typifies another era of baseball. If we think about the way that free agent contracts have sort of become strongly stratified in our current moment between sort of big megadeal guys. Like you know like the Bryce Harper's and the Mike Trout's and then the dying middle-class of baseball so there's that brought Scott Boris really to the four of the agent conversation. And where would this podcast be without his quotes? We'd be nowhere? We'd be nowhere at all so and I think that it also. I don't know if this is true for everyone but I will speak for myself. Which is the at the time that this deal was signed? You know I'm a mariners fan or I was at one point of my life. Some of this felt more personal than might have for other people because there was the decision to to go. But I think that for me this marked of my phantom where I was just kind of a I will admit to just being kind of a dummy about this stuff. I was mad that a rod would sign a deal for this much money that the money would dictate where a rod went rather than wanting to stay with my team for less and I look back on that now. I think that that's Kinda wrongheaded because I just didn't appreciate where this money stacked up. Relative to the other money that was in the system that didn't belong to players and instead belong to owner so I think that it also personally marked an important moment in my evolution as a person thinking about baseball would think about this kind of deal very differently now and did think about deals signed by Harper and domain and Machado and trout and Garrett Cole and your calls a Yankee you guys wild. That's really wild. We'll come back to that but so I think that it you know it. It kicked off a new era of baseball. The kind of era it kicked off has changed over time but I think this is really a sort of a turning point in the way that we think about modern contracts and so I picked a Rod's contract with the Texas Rangers. Yes that's a good one. It is very significant. It is a great one. I will just all go ahead with my turn. Now since we're on the topic I if if Scott. Boris had negotiated it. I'm not sure I would have. I would have picked is a great contract all on its own for history but the fact that you you get to being bring Scott. Boris into the hall of fame is really powerful. Because I mean has there been anybody in the last four years of baseball who is kind of more significant presence. I mean it's it's like him in Bud seelig and maybe I don't know maybe billy bean and like a very small number of people and so you you got to figure out a way to get Scott born in there And this is really his his crowning accomplishment not just because it was the highest contract ever but because it doubled the previous high. I believe and in a way there was light. You both said there was this process ever since the beginning of free agency where someone would sign a contract. That was a new record. Was like ten cents more than the previous record. And then everybody would say Baseball's dying can you believe it's a new record. Would be new record after new record after new record after record and the whole time the owners were claiming that they can never keep up with this inflation and then rod comes along and just doubles the previous one and in a way it was kind of it ended that conversation. I think I might be wrong about. Maybe someone else remembers exactly the opposite. But at the time it was shocking. We all got sticker shock but then it was almost like it was like something like fifteen years before any contract topped it in unadjusted for inflation dollars. I don't think anybody topped it until John. Carlos Stanton and no one as a free agent topped until Machado and Harper. In twenty nine thousand. Nine hundred which is crazy right. Two Thousand Nine hundred twenty nine hundred and so for it was so far ahead of the game that the fact that he's obviously not died when a rod signed his deal made it very obvious that it was not going to as long as other free agents were signing big contracts which were not even at the height of of Arabs contract and it is. Yeah I think we can all have different ideas about how to handle the inflation question whether whether you use the world's inflation level or baseball's inflation level but I mean it's not it doesn't seem like the inflation adjusted contract by any inflation standard is close to where was it remains the biggest contract in history in my mind and it is kind of the last famous contract. I think at least so far there might be more famous contracts but the last one where every baseball fan can tell you the years in the numbers for for decades probably to come in Ref- ameliorating myself. Some of the specifics of this. Thomas Newman wrote a piece about this deal for ESPN and there. There are two things that I want to pull out of that piece that really struck me and I just did not remember. I did not remember for instance that two days prior to the steel the rockies had given Mike Hampton his deal which at the time was the richest in Baseball History for one hundred twenty one million eight years and then two days later era. Does this deal with the Rangers? So there's that part and also I want to to pull out some of these quotes. So Newman remarks. That after the deal was announced apocalyptic forecasts about the sports future abounded a sampling of opinions from Scott Boris. We don't need revenue sharing. We need intellect sharing. That's not you know if you were to stack up. A bores that quote with all the other Boris quotes. You'd be like A. That's that's not much of a quote but you can such a clear on ramp to the Treasurer's the monds that we were to get later so it even. How's IT Good Bowl? Boris Nuggets Oh. That's that's nice and also say that if you want some sort of PD aspect of it have a red has claimed that it was the pressure of that contract that impelled him to start taking steroids. And you can believe that. But that's a story that I think he has stuck to. And so a rod one of the more notorious PD users and offenders and that was a huge story in its own right and contract is at least connected to that directly by him. Yeah like Albert Pool signed a big contract and then that was the end of that story he went to Anaheim. He played there for a long time. He still technically playing there. And you know like there's A. There's a story to the to the ten years that are pool spent in Anaheim. But it's kind of the end of it was like he signed there and then he played it out whereas with with a rod he got the contract and then the story went in so many different directions it led to the. Yankees only world series title. Since two thousand it led to it may have led to the PD's it led to the renegotiation and him topping his own record. When he opted out it led to the trade that sent Alfonso Soriano to Texas. It led to the trade that could have sent. Robinson Connotes Texas but didn't send connote led to the jeeter ears led to so many led to a rod as a center like the a-rod contract alone has seventeen chapters worth of stuff. I'm just the contract. You could write a whole book about just the contract and what happened after the contract was signed at the time of the deal. The value of that contract per the Forbes franchise valuations equaled or exceeded the value of eighteen major league franchises twenty-five NBA Franchises and twenty seven Nhl Franchises. Now now it exceeds the value of all thirty NHL. French I actually don't know I don't know how many NHL teams there the NHL is thriving. I'm sure like they had a work stoppage and probably everything's been great sorry. Nhl. I didn't mean it. You always pick on hockey. Would you do that line when you do a hockey hockey twenty or go to all right okay? That's that's our paper. Yeah all right. So that's not my paper so are only so many ways you can go with paper really. You can go with contract. You can go with lineup card. You might say maybe Count Ripken's record breaking lineup card would be a pretty obvious one or you could pats X. cards maybe too obvious. Maybe it's not but you know it's already in the hall. I'm sure so baseball card. Maybe if there's a super famous one or I guess you could print out a Scott. Boris analogy him. But I didn't do any of those. I tried to get creative here. I'm going with Sonia Sotomayor's ruling when she issued an injunction the petition. From the our be. That didn't exactly stop the strike. But SORTA stop the strike. Definitely put baseball back on the road to being played and this is something that I don't know maybe it's been blown out of proportion like when Barack Obama introduced her as the Supreme Court. I think that ruling was the one ruling in her history that he mentioned. He said that she saved baseball or actually technically he said some say that she saved baseball and she just. Kinda got everyone back to the table and sent the owners a message that no they could not unilaterally roll back the past thirty years or so of labor relations in baseball and once they SORTA got slapped down there. I think they got a little bit more realistic. Everyone got back to bargaining and baseball came back. And she really brooks no nonsense here in this discussion. I think she even passed up. Like hearing or arguments or witnesses or written support. It was so obvious to her. What the right thing to do was here. And she wanted to really rush it because she wanted this to be done before opening day. Or what would have been opening day in Nineteen ninety-five as sort of a symbolic gesture and it really did have a big effect. I I don't know we can't go back and see when baseball would have come back if she had not issued this ruling. But I'm glad that we didn't find out and I felt like I had to have something about the strike again much like PD is not one of the happiest stories of my lifetime but it certainly one of the most significant and this is at least a happy aspect of it. This is something that helped bring an end to it so that would be my pick for paper. That's a good one yeah. I'm looking forward to the as long as we're talking about. New York born baseball fans who use the power of government. Start Baseball up again after a long absence. I'm looking forward to the Anthony. Fao G memo saying you're all good guys have ready to play today with me. I can be sitting behind the dugout Eddie Murphy Right. There's a profile of him in the New York Times today that our friend James Wagner wrote about his love baseball and I was also reading a profile of him in the New Yorker in which it also talks about his baseball and he grew up in Brooklyn I believe Brooklyn and but was not at my high school his but yeah but not a dodgers fan. He was a Yankees Fan. And I I am. I jotted down this on my tickle file because I feel like this is a common detail. In many profiles of of sort of famous people is that they grow up in an area but for some unknown reason are actually fans growing up of a team. That's not in the era and that's presented somehow is significant. And I could only think of Faouzi because I just read it this morning but I'm going to keep my ears open because I feel like I've come across that trope like a lot like grew up on south side but you're cubs fan or you grew up in whatever you grew up in La but you were giants fan all those sorts of examples so thou- she is the lead of the article. Come in twenty twenty seven. Who went to get to more examples? Okay all right third category. We've done we've done paper. We've done equipment. I guess you should do clothing. Okay I feel good about this. I want to acknowledge that because I'm kind of cheating I am engaged in a bit of category fraud here so I want to acknowledge that because this could very easily have been a paper saying but I decided to take a picture of piece of clothing home kind of kind of. I guess we're all anyway. I'm not going to go down the rabbit hole my brain just so far. Everything you've described could apply any. There's no way that we picked the same thing here but you have. Every detail has applied perfectly to mind and I'm nervous. I'm picking the hat. Okay Ken Griffey junior wearing on a fridge. I think I thought about that. Okay so Sam here it. Why were you relieved? Said had because my okay because it's a photo shopped. And so I was GonNa pick the polaroid that they doctored so. She took the hat in the picture. I was going with the polaroid. And so when she didn't say the Polaroid I thought. Yes all right. Should we tell the story for people who don't know I think you? Why don't you do it because I think you all right? I'M GONNA LET LUKE. Win Of sports illustrated he wrote about this card. So of course. This is the nineteen eighty-nine upper deck. Ken Griffey junior which we'll talk about the cards significance as well but the image of Griffey that became part of collecting lore with his blue turtleneck and fro mullet tucked beneath. His cap was doctored in his home. Office in Corona California seventy five miles north of upper. Deck's headquarters Tom. Guyton hands me a polaroid that had been sitting atop a binder of griffey cards and says this is cut off a little bit but this is the original photo. Griffey's wearing the navy blue hat of Seattle's Class A affiliate the San Bernardino Spirit whose logo is a silver s over Red Star. The picture was taken by the late. Vj Lavoro and team dog for who shot Griffey and his father for sports illustrated featuring nineteen eight with Arrow sold one of his extras to upper deck which airbrush hat royal blue a race. The start made the s yellow Totta completed the makeover guidance in the polaroid because he was the one who at age eighteen put kid griffey on the card in June nineteen eighty-eight when Bill Hamrick etc etc founded the upper deck company. They made Guyton a rabid card collector. Their first employee paid him fifteen dollars. An hour gave him business cards. That said product analysts and entrusted him with choosing players for the seven hundred cards in that first the story goes on that guidance was kind of a prospect hound and put a lot of thought into it considered Gary Sheffield. They're considered some others. There went with Griffey and did the photo doctoring in there was card number one the first card in the first set by the kind of first premium card brand and that card shot to the top of the charts. Yep so spell out why this was was your and then. I'll spell out why this was my pick I am. Ben Can apologize yet again for being wrong. I mean there. There are any number of Su there. There were two thoughts that I had when it came to a Griffey and having an artifact of his and the other was the backwards baseball cap so we could have just as easily have done that. I could pick that if you'd like and you can have the the hat in the rookie card if we wanna do different stuff. This is the good stuff here but the reason that I picked this is that I think that the consternation in hand wringing and fretting about baseball in our lifetime can be divided into two years. Griffey era and there's now right one griffey was griffey. He was culturally ascendant. He transcended baseball. He was everywhere. He was in video games. He was in movies. He was on the fresh Prince of bel-air he was a cultural icon. The likes of which the sport does not currently have and I think that we do a lot of fretting about the the void the griffey void. Some people will say jeeter but but no it's not the same thing griffey was a part of Americana an away that had nothing to do with baseball in the non baseball fans heavily identified with and they're going to be plenty of New York fans earns. The jeter did the same thing but I don't think that he did. And so we find ourselves in a Griffey Lewis time right now and. I think that you know people worry about that and I tend to be of the mind that worrying about that is sort of silly because it. It misses one of the really incredible things about baseball. Which is that. You can have a thirty Griffey's right. You can have thirty guys who are hugely important in their local markets and they can look a lot of different ways and be from a lot of different places and typify the game in their own special way right. They can be a bunch of different kinds of players and I think that that is part of what makes baseball so strong but I think that thinking that has to acknowledge that there was this time there was this time very recently in our lifetimes when there was a guy there was the guy and it was it was griffin it starts with that rookie card and then proceeded Throughout his career. So that is why I picked it because I think it both embodies a moment in in baseball that is passed third. I imagine we will see again. I'm sure we will see again. Probably it might be. It might be a guy who ends up playing baseball during this otherwise spotless time that we find ourselves in and comes to sort of transcend his moment and come to the attention of non baseball fans. Were Hitters Baseball on sometime this summer. When there's nothing else censor I am now a baseball fan but I think that people who did not grow up in that specific baseball have a hard time understanding. Just how big a deal? Just how big a deal he was. He was on TV all the time out. Like which when you consider the market he came out of his remarkable house assist like little city in the corner of the country. That played baseball after a lot of the country had gone to bed. So that is why. I have picked Griffey but I will acknowledge the little bit of category fraud. That's involved in me picking that that's great too great description of King. Junior's how different it was to to follow him than it is to follow baseball players today. I agree wholeheartedly with all that you just. You just almost have to get a griffey in there if you're GONNA if you're gonNA capture the nineteen nineties you gotTa have something griffey in there. I love that it's the card for a couple of other reasons. One is that if you're going to capture the nineties you also have to capture the fact that baseball cards totally well. They exploded but they also in a way became bigger than the sport to a lot of people they were they were a bubble fad. Wear they were worth so much to people who did not particularly care about baseball at all. Dave Jameson in his book. Men Condition which. I've been mentioning a lot lately because I wrote about baseball card and because I read that book recently but he says he describes his baseball cards. Were no longer souvenirs of your favorite players. They were elaborate doubloon balloons. That happened to have baseball players on them. And there was that period. Where for about ten years baseball was kind of like the second most important aspect of the baseball card. It was an odd time period. And what's significant about that is and this is. I don't know I don't know if this is totally true. Or if this is just sort of the legend that I've picked up in reading lords of the realm. You get the sense that the players union partly propped up the boom so that they could have a lot of money for their strike fund and because of the boom was so successful for the Players Union it helped fund the strike and made it so that they could afford to strike that. If you know upper deck had never started if Leering Donald and never broken the monopoly if the players union was still getting ten percent of the baseball card revenue that they were getting by by the early nineties. I don't know if they would have been able to afford to go on. Strike in into a lot of ways reshape the relationship between players and owners and between the different sides in the collective bargaining agreement. So the baseball card boom had a huge effect on the business in the game as well in that decade and then finally griffey besides being so omnipresent. I one of the reasons that I think of that as being a real era beginning is that before around that time not because of Griffey but around that time is also in the prospect era began. I think I think baseball. America's first paper Ish additions were in nineteen ninety. And I've written about how the draft was much less efficient before griffey that the top of the draft in particular. It just feels like they were. They were really bad at drafting until Griffey. And then once after the Griffey era teams got quite a bit better at drafting at the very top and there was a feeling that prospects were were not like part of your organization but they were really the lifeblood of your organization and there was a lot more work put into professionalizing a how we thought about prospects both at a team level and also at a public level and Griffey. Was You know just prospect for up to up to that point maybe in in history and the most one of the most famous prospects before he debuted in part because of that that card so Y- just a really significant moment in baseball history. That's a great one thought about it. Glad I didn't take it for the sake of saying something different but this is a tough category because with clothing I mean you're somewhat limited and obviously there are a lot of uniforms that get preserved in hall of fame. But how much fun is it to see a uniform really. I guess it's Kinda cool that this thing was on this person's body at a time that they did something significant but it doesn't really tell the story on its own. I'm looking for something that tells the story as the artifact itself and there aren't that many articles of clothing do that the way that Griffey's cap did and I don't know I thought about like curt Schilling's bloody soccer or something but again do I wanNA use one of my five picks on a curt schilling artifact. I don't know and I thought about Chris. Sale CUTTING UP THE THROWBACK JERSEY. That'd be a first pick in the hall of fame but I don't think I can plausibly. Put it in the actual aim as the symbol of an era but there is one piece of clothing that I think could plausibly be picked to be in the weird and interesting clothing hall of fame and also the significant clothing huff him and that is Theo Epstein gorilla suit. That will be how. That's a great use of clothing Sam We are it. That's like how people are going out using a gorilla suit as like a covert mask. Ben Gorilla suit for clothing. That's less of a stretch than a baseball card. It could good answer. Yeah so for those. Who Don't recall the Theo Epstein girl suit story which I can't believe it's real but it is the was. This was what after the two thousand five season I think was having a contract dispute with the red. Sox Didn't feel that their offer was good. Enough felt disrespected and decided to leave. Temporarily you sort of resigned walked away from the SOx except he really lumbered away in a gorilla suit. That is how he left Fenway Park because it happened to be Halloween. This dispute went down and in order to sneak past reporters so that they would not see him and call him on whether he had a contract. He donned a gorilla suit. I don't even really recall why he had access to a gorilla suit but I dunno Halloween. I guess Krill suits are around and he used it to walk out of the stadium got into his car drove away in the gorilla suit which is really ridiculous and I think this only came to light. I don't know if he ever volunteered. The summation came to light because someone recognized that the Volvo being driven by the person the gorilla suit was Theo Epstein car and he later auctioned off for charity and of course he came back to the Red Sox and stayed there for a few more years. Won another world series helped maybe put together an additional world series team. But the fact that you up Stan did this. I guess partly as a joke but partly somewhat serious. He didn't want to talk to reporters at that particular time and I know he has a history of this. She's also been photographed. Going to games and concerts with that. Bobby Valentine style fake moustache so on top of everything else. He's a master of disguise. But that's just an unbelievable story. I mean when you see the gorilla suit hanging or standing or however you would display a gorilla suit in the hall of fame that stands out from the typical item of clothing. That you would see there and as you were sort of saying with the Kris. Bryant Ball is at the center of two of the most significant baseball stories. So my lifetime. The Red Sox winning the world series and the cubs winning the world series and this is an quite connected like it might be a little bit better if he had long gorilla suit when he actually left her toxin went to the cubs. Because then it would be kind of the connection between those two jobs but I guess you could say that if he had actually stayed away once. He walked out with the gorilla suit. Then you know probably things don't work out the same way and he probably isn't the world series winning GM with the cubs. Maybe he doesn't get that job. The circumstances don't lineup that he becomes the person who breaks both of the most storied curses in baseball. But I think that even if he wasn't necessarily the most influential executive like if you wanted just someone in there to represent sabermetrics might have Bill James. You might have been but if you want someone who was part of that movement but then also won the rings and really the most famous and significant rings of the past half century or or so you would have to have the Epstein represented in gorilla. Suit is a great conversation piece. Great Answer I agree. It would have been better if he had gone straight to the cubs. Yes in there. But you're right. He he had to come back. He had to win another one in Boston and then he had to feel like his. He had accomplished what he needed to Boston and he might not have felt the need to go to a place like Chicago if he had not really resolved things with Boston by that point. I don't think I knew I don't think I realize and I'm not totally sure. I believe that he drove away in the gorilla suit that Beijing and they just they just see the suit in the car in the car maybe or saw him getting into the car but then he took it off. I mean if that's the citation that wikipedia says a witness reported spotting a person wearing a gorilla suit driving Volvo similar to Epstein at night. Witnesses can be unreliable. Could have been a coincidence. Could events now after all but I can't imagine you have good peripheral vision no doesn't and and you don't drive a Volvo if you're not very concerned about vehicular safety true all right. That's a good. One wildcard wildcard before trout or trout. Before while we leave to make a wildcard. Sorry my my i. I said several times that I thought it was really good. Pick Ben so the record. Even though I didn't realize it mine Mike was muted. I guess the the real thing is in this is not wild card. So I'M GONNA say a clothing bank is I don't imagine it'll come up in wildcard. My other clothing thing was each euros batting helmet. You know 'cause feature route so here's the real question for all of us. Let's not talk about each euro who is a future hall of Famer? But instead my own weirdness which is why didn't I just say the HAT Griffey was wearing? Then I didn't have to worry about category throughout the hat. What did you pick kind of I I did but I brought the car into it like I was cheating and I was. I didn't find it was in relation to the card. That the Harrow but I could have just picked the hat anyway. Issues batting helmet. We'll go in the hall of fame. When he goes into the hall of fame. I mean not personally but like his bust so anyway. He's always there. Yeah he'll go severe the week. It seems like go hang out but anyway wildcard artifact. Here's my wildcard artifact which also was gonna be my something borrowed artifact which feels clever which is the WWe style championship belt that the League was apparently giving out to teams players salaries low and arbitration. Because if one because I think that if if the strikes typified the early part of what we are understanding as our life times and the labor relations that were sort of present that this typifies the new era of Labor Relations. We find ourselves in which may well end in a strike at some point. Also we do not want to foreclose that possibility but I think that rather than the open conflict that resolves SORTA favorably of strike we now find ourselves in a position where the the system has been architects such that the conflict is much quieter but it results in many of the same things which is that players salaries are not in line with their value. Certainly not in line with when are most valuable in their careers and that there is sort of a a lawyer. Leave behind the scenes per seis but also a sort of petty and excited and icke part of of that achievement. And I think that the belt represents all of those things that it manages to sum up all of those and if we were doing The the wedding categories would be something borrowed because it comes from so. I picked that as my wildcard fact you could have used that as the clothing artifacts I could have but I want us to talk about Griffey and then I decided to just talk about a baseball card. When I could've talked about any piece of clothing Ken Griffey Junior war. So you know. Sometimes the Oh brain doesn't work quite the way you want it to but here we are. That's a great one too because it really captures the idea that that these are. This is simultaneously like jocks billionaires and in the. Wwe Belt it is. I don't know it is like business. People doing business in the manner of Jock. Yes it is very it is it. Is the two the two halves of the baseball executive brain right in one piece of Guardia Clothing It reminds me of something that you know would not be out of place on a trading floor. Goldman when you've done a trade. I could put more specific finance language around that. But it'll bore people so I warn during that so yeah it sort of is evocative of that hyper masculine but varotto. That is involved with doing a thing that is ultimately we done on paper and screens and so there is a yeah. I think that it just it wraps all of that up into one yicky package that I can't believe we had confirmed on the record that remains wild and spectacular that that was just a thing we know happened for real. They have retired the championship belt. Yeah Yes yes do you think. Do you think the last the last person who wanted gets to keep it or do you think by retiring it. They had to like forfeit it to the authorities for burial. I have a vision of it being melted down like the Terminator at the end of Terminator. You would. Let's say that whoever wanted last owned it and put it up for sale as a collectible would you feel like it would be fun to own as like because it own it and it represents a part of baseball that you are staunchly opposed to on the other hand. It is funny. Yeah I think it would feel icky. I think it was a key to have at home. Yeah yeah all right. Well that's a great one and I'm relieved that you took it because I thought I was going to have to fight you for mine. I am taken the trash cans taking. I am now very glad I didn't even think about it. Yeah I'm very. I'm very glad that I did not bring some of my backups for equipment because that was on my backup. Be On your mind if only to be able to say begging scheme but more it's been awhile. I considered it as equipment. I guess it's equipment. The ass certainly treated as equipment. But I like it because it's one of the biggest stories we've seen and yet it's also a story that repeats over and over and over and over and so if you want a museum of baseball some implement of sign stealing is a great thing to have in there because it goes back to the beginning of baseball and it never stops and usually you don't really have an item that you can point to and say this is it. This is the sign stealing thing. I guess binoculars maybe or I don't know what else he would use the buzzers that used at times but the banging scheme the trash can. That's what made that story so sensational. I think if they had used something else even if they had used just some other item that was not a trash can. I don't know if it would have been as big story and if there hadn't been that auditory element to it. I don't know if it would have been as destroy or if we ever would have found out about it and the other thing I like about it is that I guess there's some danger that someone might see it in the hall and just start throwing their garbage in there. Which would be a great way to treat your artifact but on the other hand you could maybe have an interactive exhibit right where you could have people come up and paying the the trash can and see it for themselves and you would want to protect it. You wouldn't want trash pin to be worn down over time but it's probably pretty durable and you could give them something soft to whack it with and then you too could follow in the footsteps of Jake. Moore's knicker whoever in here the bang yourself and maybe they could even set up a video screen so that you could test yourself and you could try to crack the code and send the signal to someone who's standing in the batter's backs or something. It could be a whole fun day for all ages so I like that aspect of it too if that were for sale memorabilia. Would you own that? Would you buy that it in Your House without any guilt? I mean I have a garbage can already so it wouldn't even take up extra space and I think I would because there is something yucky about it also but unlike the European showed without. Yeah I mean there's a little bit. More Silliness and absurdity to the championship belt is absurd in its own way but sort of in a sad way whereas the trash can is just frankly kind of funny even though there are aspects of it that are not funny and so I would feel comfortable owning that or or one of the many trash can give aways. That were likely to find their way to two teams as the return. Yeah those are probably quite available right so could replace the the magazine. Oh Compost bin that I have which was a mariners giveaway. We're like. Hey you know this guy who can't hit a liquids put his face on a thing. Where trash goes. That feels nice. Was there a pun on? Now's the my casino? Compost spin? Zits a green ballpark. I don't know who's no one knew. It would be as bad as it was. I think is what it is. We can take away from that. So Ben's got a Benz four picks so far have been the all-time clash between two steroids. Players the sign the trash can at the center of the biggest cheating scandal in in decades and the chastising legal order that told face ball to start playing games again. Yeah Bunch of feel good stories in my health and the gorilla gorilla all right Is it me it is yes? Okay my wildcard is hideo. Nomo was rookie of the Year award in Nineteen Ninety Five. I thought about who they contract for my paper. You thought about Hideo. Nomo is contract for your paper. I thought about each rose helmet. Well I thought about each row something. Yeah I thought about each rose bowl that he threw on the throw or something to represent his arm or his actual arm. I wondered whether we could have body parts like if this is the bodies exhibit but I I thought that it so I stayed away from that Yeah this was. When today Omo played in the National League nineteen ninety-five. Nomo was an incredible story. That year coming out of the strike and absolutely dominating and creating a mania in a season win supposedly fans were boycotting the game after the strike but but beyond that his pitching in the National League was a really significant moment in the story of Major League Baseball at the start of the twentieth century. Major League Baseball really represented a small part of the world and a small part of the sport. It was just a League for white people and then it desegregated and then it became by hemispheric and then once snow signed major league. Baseball had essentially incorporated all of world's different baseball leagues into its broader universe. So I mean it didn't incorporate them in the same way that like a minor league team was affiliated by any means the league still are thriving around the world is as Major League but but there's no communication with the major leagues. There are no islands left that are completely separate from Major League Baseball's world. There's a part of how that played out that I'm slightly ambivalent about I don't love how Major League Baseball imposes so much gravity that it's just assumed that every good player will be on one of those thirty teams. I might prefer a system where there's more I don't know. I guess where American superstars are as likely to go play in Japan or Korea as the reverse where there's there's a lot of thriving leagues that are seen as more. I don't know equal around the world instead of having this this one league in America that kind of treats all of the sport is a feeder system but it is amazing the best players in the world now do get to play against each other and that the different leagues do communicate with each other and they have this shared universal history together. Now so you know like I said a little bit ambivalent and waiting to see how it plays out in future decades and to just see whether the professional major leagues around the world continue to thrive or or if they end up getting sucked entirely into the MLB business framework but Nomo. That year was absolutely amazing. And I'll think about his his pitching wind up forever and I also think that decades from now that nineteen ninety five season will be seen as a pretty momentous milestone of Major League. Baseball being finally universal. So don't know if I sold that one well enough but I hope so. I don't know I don't know I don't know how if I know it is great. Well I that I think he sold it. Can I say what my other wildcard one was which is really equipment? Hd broadcasts aged deep had cats. Yeah because I've had occasion over the last couple of weeks years since we've been doing this that to watch a Lotta will baseball and then you watch recent baseball on. You're like wow. I can see this baseball a lot better and I think to myself Sam what what kind of careers would we have the ability to see very minute detail on broadcasts so I think that? Go in the all. Yeah Expo is to me is an amazing thing as well. Yeah Oh trying to cameras. Yeah has so right. Do WanNa do trout? Yes sure okay. So I'm going to offer two versions of this election because I worried that one of them I mean I guess it could take up a room and the hall of fame but it might be too many objects for to be really one object so you can tell me and if it is then. I have a smaller version of this. The first is the draft boards of the twenty one teams because we should remember that the nationals and the diamondbacks each twice before the angels drafted trout will remember that they picked twice in a row and that trump was not their first selection. They took Grischuk I but the there were some sign ability questions with out so that was why they did it that way. So we can either take the twenty-one boards because there've been so many stories over the years of Oh we're GonNa take Mike Trout and then a dog distracted us or and so wherever year in fact more and more every year and so if we could get our hands on the real boards just WanNa see I just WanNa see where where he really landed fertile. So that's one version of this. If we think that that is too many things which I would I would allow. We could alternatively to represent standing for this have the reports but the pirates had for trout. And Tony Sanchez. Tony Sanchez was their selection. That year drafted out of Boston. College I don't know this perfect but I would imagine the same area scout was responsible for both of those guys and probably saw Sanchez's like the earlier science easier. Sinus should say but I would like to to see their reports for Sanchez and for trout. So that could be the alternative. If I don't know like we're just worried about space. But I WANNA I wanNA grapple with the myth of the trout draft because it grows every year and I think that it is just one of the more compelling aspects of his in a career that is incredibly compelling and that we will look back on and just feel incredibly fortunate to have seen in its entirety. Because of all the people who've watched so much baseball before who just never got see my trout. I think that the draft part of his story is going to live in legend for a very very long time the confluence of events that had to occur for him to fall to the angel. So that's my my trout pick. Yeah I found this to be the toughest category because frankly Mike. Trout doesn't have a whole lot of signature moments on the field which is partly or largely a product of the fact that he's played for a lousy teams hasn't had many games that really mattered towards the post season has barely played in the postseason and one of my hopes for. Let's say the second half of Trout's career is not only that he continues to be great but that he has some signature moments so I I tried to think of some things. He's actually done on the field that would be worthy and a really kind of came up empty. I had one which mention but I didn't quite want to take it and I did think of something surrounding the draft and I loved the Mike Trout draft stories. And I'll read anything about it and we've talked about it on the podcast but I've started to wonder whether we're making too much of that or whether if that's the whole story about Mike Trout. Aren't there guys who are also great. Who had even more improbable origins? Who Baseball collectively missed on by an even wider margin within my lifetime. Mike Piazza was drafted with a thirteen. Hundred ninetieth pick in the very last round whereas waiver to a friend in the sixty second round so that was the first rounder. He's like the best player ever possibly. They didn't miss by that many guys. It's not like they thought he was bad. The like they thought every other baseball player available. That year was better. They didn't recognize that he was as great as he was but there were mitigating factors and he was never in any danger of not getting a shot whereas Piazza one of the greatest catchers of all time was very much in danger of not even getting to play professional baseball and he was older when that draft took place out at so to me. I don't know it's one of the things you talk about with trout and absolutely deserves to be but I kind of balked at making it. My pick as. I wonder whether you know they're a bunch of hall of famers. Were drafted in late rounds or later rounds and no. They weren't quite as good as Mike Trout. But still so I opted against that although it's totally a worthy pick and was one of my first thoughts and I hate when I'm taking I'm not happy with what unpicking fan because it makes me sound like a total stat head stereotype. But I'm taking I guess I don't know what form it would take. But maybe a video display board where I list his war through. You GotTa make a powerpoint family. We'll get some grasp promotion here. It has to be a living document. I can't just print it out and counted in my paper because worse changing all the time so it has to be a constantly video board and it will have Mike Trout at the top of the leaderboard of war. All-time through age twenty seven. Or whatever and tie Cobb will be next and Mickey Mantle and Mike. Trout will be at the top. And the reason I don't feel as bad about taking this is because Mike Trout. As we've discussed he is. I think almost with war he and wore kinda broke out at the same time. It was a reinforcing thing. A symbiotic relationship where war made us appreciate trout and trout me. This appreciate war and war is one of the most significant developments. I think in my lifetime as a baseball fan. And I don't have anything of the sort of Saber metric nature thus far felt bad about both because it's personally significant to me but also because it's had a huge impact in the game and so this allows me to get some sabermetrics in there and I had a hard time thinking of one thing that would sort of sum up. How great trout is because as we often talk about he's as good at everything and he so consistent and he has no flaws and so that's kind of why war has emerged as the dominant way of talking about trout. That and the fact that he doesn't have so many signature moments and so I feel bad because it's like I'm putting some numbers on a video board instead of like something that trout did physically or something that would allow us to appreciate his prowess in sort of an aesthetic way. But when I think about drought I think about war and vice versa. And that's my pick going back to what you were saying about how other players have missed teams have missed by more. I think maybe one of the things. That's interesting about my trout. That's not interesting about. I mean obviously our pools going in the thirteenth round in Piazza going in the sixty second round. Those are also extremely interesting. Probably more interesting but different because the cardinals also missed on Albert pools. They didn't drag them anywhere near when he should have. Obviously the dodgers didn't draft my anywhere near where they should have the angels on the other hand did draft him when they should have which was essentially the first chance. They have not not literally so that they would. They have said and I believe that he was actually number two on their draft board and so they would draft him second overall if they could have up behind Strasbourg Yankees maybe said they had him in their top three. If I remember right I might be remembering wrong. But the angels actually believed in him wholeheartedly so he wasn't like a a thing that team lucked into but a thing that eighteen actually saw. And so maybe the compromises that it's it's the Angel Scouting report for him which was presumably over. The Moon in has all sorts of great things in it. Well and it's one of those strange ones where you know in hindsight like my bus might be the best baseball player ever and so you think he should've gone one one. But Look Stephen Strasburg at one one is of perfectly defensible. First overall pick so. I'm I'm not unsympathetic to your argument. Ben I think it's a good argument but I also know that by engaging with Mike Trout from a draft perspective. I get to forever in my version of the hall of fame wonder if the mariners would muster up So that's a little bit of self loathing for me to to engage with forever. I thought it'd taken the Jersey that he wore to the draft because he was there and I think it's it's cute that he was actually there and no one else. Was there partly for geographic reasons also because Mike Trout and you know he loves baseball. And of course. He's going to be there well. He doesn't do that any public appearances. Maybe but that one he did two thousand nine after. I know we talked about it but we should talk about it more. This was anyway. That's not the person this exercise. But what a what a draft few guys want to draft. I have I also struggled with with what the pickier I couldn't think of a piece of equipment or a thing that he's done on the field that I think stands above everything else. I mean so. Much of the discussion with Mike. Drought has always been how he should be winning the MVP award but doesn't that year. And so. I thought well I could take him the you know his actual MVP award when he did win except those are Kinda actually in his slightly lesser years. Just by chance they don't give you a plaque for second place in two thousand twelve. Which is what I would really want. I'm picking one. Here's what I'm picking. I am picking the Jersey. The Opening Day Jersey that he would have worn for the first game of the twenty twenty season. And IT IS I. Think a way of recognizing the greatness of Mike Trout's career right now up to now by noting that because of the krona virus because of what is going to certainly a significant portion of the season lost maybe the entire season loss. Maybe the entire season maybe part of next year. We JUST HAVE NO IDEA. But the era of saying might trout is the greatest of all time through. This age ended that day that he didn't play he lost. He started losing games on on ty Cobb on Mickey Mantle on Alex Rodriguez on other players who were similarly precocious but never as good as him. He is now. Has This lost period in the middle of his prime. I mean it doesn't speak at all to how great might drought is or that. He is entirely historic figure and he is the greatest that that we have seen in decades but it means that probably the outside chance not that outside chance of of him getting the all time home run record becomes much more of a long shot the chances of him getting four thousand hits the outside chance of that more of a long shot chances of him getting a hundred and sixty whatever war more of a long shot because this isn't just time that he's missed but I might be a significant time amount of time. It might be a whole year and it's right in the middle of its peak and it has the benefit of as far as historical documents. Go it both you know is a Mike Trout document but also you know something about a pretty significant year in the history of baseball. You wonder whether we will end up looking at this as a year. Where a lot of things change when we come back. Maybe we don't even see how big the changes are immediately but over the course of decades we see that twenty twenty one was a real pivot point for certain styles of play or ways to play. I mean you just think about if they don't we don't know yet. What will happen with this year? But let's just hypothetically say that there's no twenty twenty season then twenty twenty one. You have a really weird situation. Where there's twice as many rookies and the great rookies are half of them are a year older and so you have a bunch of flight. The top prospects are going to be debuted a year later. Or are you gonNA end up having real youth movement or you're going to have twice as many retirement so you're going to have like I don't know you. It is going to be kind of an odd year for just for personnel. And then you add onto that. The effects of activity the effects of different rules changes that might need to be put into place to to acknowledge the risk of of and all that. And so you just. I don't know you've fee if I feel like something from the Cova era is probably going to be seen as as necessary for for era. Yeah that's a good one. Your only other option for him really and there were a few place that came to mind like his catch. It Camden yards. Who IS JJ? Hardy I think and the one that he robbed off of Yelich last year so gloved from one of those. Maybe but I don't know he's not necessarily the best ever at robbing homers. He's pretty good at it. But maybe like one of the pitches he hit out in some improbable location like when he hits a ball that's six inches off the ground and he hits it out or maybe you have like the home run. He hit on the first day back at Angel Stadium. After Tower skaggs died. That was a monster home. Run and obviously emotionally significant but the only one that really considered seriously I opted against it because it it just seemed like sort of a stretch but to me. It sort of does typify. Trout is the ball that he threw last year from the outfield. At Ninety eight point six miles per hour according to stack cast when he mowed someone down at home plate. That was like maybe the time that might trout has shocked me with a single play on a baseball field. As opposed to just steady. Excellence a single play where I thought. Wow and there were times earlier. His career where he didn't look like he should be able to run as fast as he did. But that play I think was so impressive in so emblematic of trout. Because his whole thing has been that he's good everything and whatever he's least good at he becomes good at just sets his mind. To and says this is my weakness or a relative weakness. I'm going to practice that thing and I'll be great at it and that was like the only knock. The only slight you could make against him was that he had below average arm. Probably and you couldn't quite call him a five two player because he didn't really have the arm and he really worked on the arm and the throwing and strengthen the shoulder and that's not one of those skills that you're usually believed to be able to improve by that much but he uncorked this throw that was just like a laser and it's clearly something he's worked on for years and I don't know if you can call his arm a tool now but I think it's at least an average arm. And so he identified whatever weakness he had and eliminated it and that ball sort of symbolizes that almost like machine learning aspect to him where he just gets great at everything even if he's not great at to begin with and I also liked that because it was last year and that would have allowed me to preserve a twenty thousand nine baseball in my exhibit which I considered just taking twenty nineteen baseball. The only reason I didn't was that we can't be sure yet that that actually is the peak of the home run rate era. And so if we had done this two years ago to save twenty seventeen baseball and now who cares about a two thousand seventeen no historical significance to that so I think we have to wait just to make sure that thousand nineteen is as high as the homer rate is ever. GonNa get before. I could feel comfortable but I liked having that as a backup. I would've gone with the catch in his rookie year on the J hardy ball because it was his rookie year and that year more than any other point in my trout's career. That's the year that I will always remember if I could only save one year of any player of any player in the forty years. I've been alive almost. I would pick might trout's rookie all right. Well I guess we got through this. This was fun. Apologies to what we left out Kirk Gibson's bad and Joe. Carter's bad and those are the obvious things but there weren't that many other things to consider. I considered like a box set of Ken Burns Baseball. It's like the most popular program on. Pbs efforts in the PBS Hall of fame. For sure. I don't know what else I thought about like something with Eric. Greg's notorious game. I don't know. Is there anything else that you you almost took I had no I have no other? I have no list of vulnerable engines. Okay Yeah I've I've brought up all my honourable mentions I mean. Yeah they're like landmark things that we are missing but I think that we went Good job team. We all were inclined to the same thing which is stuff that typified an era rather than like an individual player's accomplishments. Necessarily apart from trout concern. Mike Trout this two thousand nine draft. You guys you know it's like you know when you know thing is good and then you reengage with it. Briefly like welders. That's that's the way I feel every time I look at the nine afterwards like. Wow what a draft. Yeah there's some good names on there maybe. The two thousand nine rash should be in our health anyway. We should go all right. That was fun. Thank you for listening. Feel free to share your hall of fame. Fives via email or in the facebook group and enjoy baseball being back on TV. K B O is on ESPN. And if you're interested in getting up to speed on creon baseball checkout the primer we did on the Cape Yo and the C. p. b. l. just recently episode. Fifteen thirty three. You could also go back to last year's thirteen twenty three and jeff and I did an interview with Sung Ming Kim. `Bout the K B o lots of content on the podcast and on your screen. You can support effectively wild on patron going patriot. Dot Com slash effectively wild following pipe. Listeners have already signed up and pledge some small monthly amount to help keep the podcast going and get themselves access to some perks. Patrick Houlahan Sam Cunningham Eric Peters Dino Shampoo on and Randall Woodford thanks to all of you can join the aforementioned facebook group at facebook dot com slash groups such actively wild can rate review and subscribe to actively well. On itunes and other podcasts platforms. Your reviews and ratings are appreciated. Keep your questions and comments for me and make 'EM SAM entering our inbox at podcast. That GRASS DOT COM can also. Us view the Patriots Messaging System. If you are a supporter. Thanks to Higgins for his editing. Assistance can pick up a paperback copy of my book the MVP machine how baseball's new nonconformists are using data built better players. It includes afterward as does the digital edition of a book back with another episode. Soon a little later this week to now do go in like moods all survey we go here.

baseball Ben Gorilla Ken Griffey Eddie Murphy Scott Boris Barry Bonds Curt Schilling Eddie Murphy Eddie Murray cubs Sox Yankees Vince scully Rangers fraud Lindberg Clayton Kershaw Sam
Episode 140: Gorilla Monsoon

Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard

1:45:15 hr | 2 years ago

Episode 140: Gorilla Monsoon

"Today's episode of something to wrestle with Bruce Prichard is brought to you VAR friends at Macaluso productions specifically, it's come hell or high water tonight. I'm going to be there, and you should be too. It's happening right here. In atlanta. I'm already in town by the time you're hearing this after the first time ever professional wrestling as coming to the host city where the NFL hold their big game. But everybody's talking about all over social media as SCU you in full force. We're talking frame because Aaron anchors for Daniels taking on the Lucho brothers Pentagon junior and raping a couple world champs in there. And of course, Scorpio sky is going to take on that prick MJ f but on the undercard is where you've got lots of fun stuff going. I can't wait to see tree you've got super talent. By Jill Ryan, Nell board and Matt cross. But dude, how about blazer and for the first time in over twenty years. The return of the yet Tae personal favorites. The man Eddie Kingston's going to be there. Simon grim. Mm-hmm. Tons of names, you know, on this and right ear in Atlanta. You can pick up your tickets right now this event, bright dot com and search for hell or high water Napa to last minute to get to Atlanta. I give it. Join them live on fight dot TV for just nine ninety nine come hell or high water Perot wrestling infiltrates, the NFL's biggest event and happens tonight. In Atlanta, I'm here, and you should be to come hell or high water on a bit bright or under ten bucks right now fighting on TV. Well. That's not Adria. There's no box of gaming. Don't deal in rumor and there I was there. Nice. Hear you. Thanks ops at a near listening to something to wrestle with Bruce pressured, Bruce what's going on, man. How are you? Hello Conrad on just fabulous, man. I'm glad to hear it. Because I am looking forward to today. It feels like we've talked about this gentleman and every possible way except giving him his own episode. We're talking about the late great gorilla monsoon today. Of course, we touched on guerrilla with prime time wrestling and couldn't possibly do. A Bobby Heenan episode about touching on guerrilla. We're going to do that again today. But first a circle back and talk about what we covered last week psycho said aka sid Justice, lots of interesting feedback and a lot of news sites even picked up your comments because has been tons of rumor and innuendo around sit and softball the feedback that you've got about the. The one and only sit. Well, you know, what I got a lot of which was interesting is sid as more humongous in Memphis with Mark Calloway with being Mark. Or what the punisher whatever the hell it was. I must have gotten. Three four dozen of the same clip and people most people were intrigued by the Lord humongous deal that I picked up on more than anything. Let me ask you this. What did you think of the show what a what a Conrad thank of last week show? Well, since I was been a guilty pleasure for may. And after the show a managed to find the promo that I just absolutely loved of said that was done the morning of roll rumble ninety seven in an empty alma dome with JR in the middle of the ring. And there was just something about the way delivered. That was just so believable. I'm just a super set Mark for lack of a better word. So I wanted to cover it for a long time. You know, it is sort of interesting to think about because I like to think that said was around a lot longer than he really was. And I think some people probably thought our it's a sid show. It's going to be seven hours, but really wasn't around all that long, especially when you were there and his end and stop. And start. And it was an interesting story. I'm Doug it. I thought it was a good show. And I'm glad we finally got to talk about sin. Yeah. It's interesting because when we finish up the shows you, and I sometimes go was good show or am. I don't know about that one of the audience loves it. I got feeling the audience like this one I didn't really have a feel for it at the end of the show last week when we finish up. But I think that we like said we covered it as best that we could sit as one of those guys that you're Ryan he wasn't really around that long of a time. When you put it back in perspective. But what an impact that son of a bitch? Had that people still remember the time that he was in the spotlight. Yeah. And it's fun because I had just recently watched said and Shawn Michaels at survivor series. And then very recently. I watched sit and Crispin wa at sold out two thousand and I remember thinking, I think I may have just. In the last week or so want sits to best matches ever. And it's just good timing for that episode. And it's good timing. If you've been with us on patriot as well because right here at the end of the month every month, we always throw up some bonus content and January's bonus content was a sit down with you and Jerry Briscoe. And then you in jail. It's a pretty fun little deal that you managed to put together their plus a weekly, Hugh. I if you haven't already go, check out patriots dot com forward slash something to wrestle BRUCE'S putting up lots of content there, and they're going to all the content. You can shake a stick at this Saturday tomorrow, February second or going to be right there in hotlanta our very first trip to Atlanta, we're going to be at the punchline comedy club. And you were sort of shocked when I told you that hey, I think I have a commitment from a pretty big name. Did you ever think that that person wouldn't wind up at one of our shows for real never, and they told me that they say. Said that they would never show up at one of the shows, and I couldn't make them, and I've invited to pretty much every live show that we've ever done is kind of like Ricky Bobby leaving tickets for his dad at the front gate and by God, I think he's gonna come by and pick up those free tickets this Saturday and show up and come up on stage and have a little fun. Well, hopefully, he doesn't have to scout them because that's what happens in Ricky, Bobby. But tickets are on sale now, and they're like thirty five bucks. I don't know why you wouldn't do this. It's going to be the best thing that happens in Atlanta all weekend. I haven't heard about anything else happening. Have you know, it's I've heard that there's going to be everything going on like right around two three o'clock at the punch line with us being live and in living color. What what else could possibly be going on? You know? I don't know. Well, I say that I guess I should let everybody know, especially if you're in Atlanta tonight on Friday night the rumor innuendo as there's a pretty big show. Go. Going on our main man mcelwain productions put together. Well, something people are going to be talking about it's called comb, hell or high water and s use their Frankie because area and Christopher Daniels. They're going to take on Pentagon junior. And Ray Phoenix. And you never know whom I show up tickets are on sale now on a vent bright. So if you haven't already got event, Brian dot com and type in come hell or high water tonight is an indie show. Everybody is going to be talking about. It's so big that even I'm going so make it happen, man. This is going to be fun. And we're gonna have a ton of fun March. First at the Mohegan sun in Connecticut. Eric Bischoff is going to be there. You're going to be there. We're calling it something to wrestle with eighty three weeks and about a week ago or so there's lots of rumor and innuendo that the show was cancelled or it was postponed or was changing venues. None of that's happening. If the exact same time at the exact same place at the exact same venue. It always. Was what the exact same players March. First Mohegan sun. I pictured Eric Bischoff. And you've been working on a very special guest. I have not gonna make any promises. But it's it was offered up to me at the this this past weekend while we were all in Arizona. And who knows it's in Connecticut. Seed never know who might just show up. Tickets are on sale now brisk pitcher dot com. You can pick up those tickets for Atlanta or Connecticut, they're on sale right now. And don't forget crown point Indiana, March ninth Cleveland, Ohio March tenth a ton more stuff coming including there's rumor in any window that you and I might be doing a show the Monday after wrestlemainia right after all that may be me in the and her by getting together. Did you hear that same room? Right. You know, what I don't deal in rumor and innuendo, but you asked me a question, and I'll answer that I have heard that particular rumor and also we may have some other shows. A little bit earlier before Russell Manian all the festivities get underway in the New York area. Sustained tuned in probably be announced an all of that next week right here on the show, and of course, versus going Australia. Bruce, Richard dot com has your a hookup for all this. Let's get to our really here. Robert Morella born June fourth nineteen thirty seven in Rochester, New York. He's obviously a legend in the wrestling business is friends often refer to him as Gino you've always referred to him as Gino at least to me for fans the group in the eighties. And those of us who grew up watching the WB F. And when I would call the golden era guerrilla was really the conic voice that called so many of those magic moments that we all remember, so well, ho- Cogan and Andre the giant wrestlemainia three and everybody knows his famous line and along with Bobby Heenan and Jesse Ventura. I mean there I mean that's a pair of the most legendary broad. Cast teams of all calm. But before all of that happened, which is really how I became familiar with him. He was a standout athlete in both high school and college, and of course, a professional wrestler. Did you ever talk to Gino about his Amateur Athletic base? Yeah. He was what we call a stud back in the day. Grill was an all American wrestler collegiate athlete when Syracuse university and was sought after by pretty much any college that had wrestling in it but gorilla being from the New Jersey area Philadelphia area guerrilla wanted to stay in the northeast and he liked to Syracuse program and went on and was one of their top heavyweights ever. He was an all American just an all around stud and a bad ass, then he found out that you can actually make money doing this shit. So he went into the. The professional wrestling game as we call it. It's pretty wild. Because I don't think about gorillas being an amateur s ler. But in fifty nine he comes in second and the NCWA wrestling championships and actually held a school ref record there at ethica for the fastest pin? I said Syracuse, I beg your pardon eighteen seconds. They're in ethica, which was a record for a long time and even represented the US at a national team mate where there were several international mates for Greco Roman wrestling, which was his trade at the time. It's it's kind of cool to think that he was just maybe a couple of wins away for making the Olympic team in sixty. But it didn't happen. He didn't get there. But he is one of the largest athletes around at the time probably six foot five and three fifty when he first went to college and with that size and weight he starts to develop some bad knees. Eventually, and I think he would. Say that probably is what hindered his professional football career. But it didn't keep him from earning degrees in both physical education and physiotherapy and even making the dean's list, and that probably doesn't surprise a lot of people who grew up on his commentary because he couldn't help himself, but us all kinds of ways and descriptors for body parts that me as a kid. I had never heard before. But it certainly it. Sound official win guerrilla Senate. And I never heard any of it before. And I think a lot of times guerrilla would just make words up that sounded complicated and sounded very sophisticated that no one would argue with him on the meaning of such worse because we didn't have the education argue that and he sounded like he came from a place knowledge. So you believed it. After college. He becomes a teacher in Rochester, New York and not too terribly long after that. He catches the eye of a New York wrestling promoter. Pedro Martinez, and eventually becomes a pro wrestler. I can't imagine Gino being your professor that would have been something while he starts his wrestling. Careers genome. Morella any debuted at the Rochester war memorial auditorium, which is a building. He actually worked on over college break or summer breaks in college that card where he debuts has six thousand fans there and a lot of that is because well people have heard about this crazy character genome Morella he gets off to a fast start. He's always high on the cards just because of that ability and most of all the size, and it's probably hard to imagine. Especially for somebody like myself who was just familiar with him as a much older man that he was quite the legitimate athlete, and it showed in. In ring work. Yeah. He throw drop kicks at three hundred fifty pounds. There wasn't probably wasn't too many guys that could push him to limit in a legitimate shoot. In a real fight and guerrilla would let guys know right away. A lot of those old timers old time shooters is soon as you would get in the ring with them. They let you know that I could do anything to you anytime. I want kid and grill had that reputation of being able to manhandle his smaller opponents and had a reputation for doing. So things got out of hand. It's pretty wild to think about that a guy his size was a baby face because in the eighties. They probably would have made him a monster. Heel anti certainly wrestled like that he had a lot of squash matches that were a minute or two and some of that is because gino's actually nearsighted and that's going to hinder him in the ring maybe a little bit early in his career. He's wrestling in cities like Rochester, buffalo Cleveland and even make some shots at Ontario for Frank Tony which well what a small world of is. Imerese urge I found the he actually made a trip to Japan in the spring of nineteen sixty three in one of the early world league tournaments. That was promoted by Ricky does an as the youngest. And he's the youngest foreigner on this tour and listen to some of the names who were here killer, Kowalski pan O'Connor, haystacks Calhoun cowboy Bob Ellis, man. The good old days of professional. Wrestling is a not it really was. And it was also when you think about it in nineteen sixty three it's not that far removed from time that Japanese looked at the Americans is worst people in the world, they dropped two bombs on them on their country. And the American talent whenever they would go to Japan were always. They were always viewed as the heels no matter what it was. But to go over with that caliber of talent a killer Kowalski in a Pat O'Connor people like that that were big names here in the states. They were big names all throughout Canada, but huge in Japan, and they would go over and because guerrillas size made him an even bigger star. Because just by stature, the the Japanese were smaller, they they just were smaller end Satcher. So he was a giant among men over in Japan. Made a lot of money quite quickly with Ricky does in. They want to. Mention that this tour is where he earns the nickname the white elephant and human typhoon and the tourist probably most notable because giant baba returns from the US and has a notable spy here where monsoon actually gets to use the giant swing on baba. Which is pretty incredible is not yet is because baba was a big man in and of himself baba was like six eight nine maybe six ten he was he was a giant as well. And they they worked well together and people I think. Of the younger generation, they remember show. Hi, baba as the older gentlemen that could barely move in the ring but back in his day, ma'am. Baba could go to. So you had two big giants colliding in the ring, and they had a lot of mutual respect for one another. And I dare say that in many ways it was gorilla. Monsoon who helped make giant baba the attraction that he later became in Japan. You know? When we're talking about giants here and him being an attraction is one of the largest wrestlers you've ever seen even if you've never seen him in real life. Not the yeti or the Yeta Ron race. Big guy. Yeah. Definitely. But, you know, Ron the problem with Ron was is Ron was kind of hunched over. So if Ron just stood up straight. Yes. One of the largest, and I've ever been around in my life pays hypothetically. As an Atlanta tonight, come hell or high water the return of the yet, they twenty years later. Oh my gosh. Yeah. You should come. Bruce tickets are on sale at a vent Brian dot com. Type at Hiller. How water in there? They are. Well, just watching and walk to the rain will be interesting. It will especially if Hogan's in there, you don't know what. Well, I guess you didn't know what's going to happen. So when Gino goes to work for McMahon, he becomes known as gorilla monsoon, which was a play off of his Japanese nickname the human tie phone. The Gino ever talked to you about how he felt being sort of nicknamed gorilla monsoon here. You know, guerrilla told me the story that the old man. Bent senior looked at him. And just said you're going to be grill monster without a whole lot of that a whole lot of discussion. And Gino, not really thinking that much of it just this is how it is. He was still young in the wrestling business. Everybody wants to work New York. So it was like, okay. You know, and he was the boss, so I'll be gorilla monsoon, and I'll go out, and and they encouraged him to grow. A beard, but I don't think on his best day that Gino have grown a moustache. So that's why you got the in those early pictures monsoon had just this full beard, but no mustache to make him more guerrilla issue. If you will. Let's talk about haystacks Calhoun at this point. He's probably the only guy bigger than gorilla in wrestling. I'm talking about just is. I mean, Andre the giant is obviously another level, but beyond that haystacks Calhoun, then guerrilla probably. Yeah. Probably. So there was another guy in Texas and cannon in the south name, happy Humphrey that was another big guy. Hey was probably well haystacks wasn't probably he was a much better worker than happy Humphrey. But he was just a big guy monsoon was big and tall as well. But monsoon was also skilled whereas haystacks was much more of an attraction haystacks was the giant attraction that people came to kind of ood. It his size in the way that he worked the match the match was worked around can someone get haystacks off of his feet and just trying to bump all around haystacks monsoon could actually work, but size wise. They matched up haystacks a little shorter. But one hell of an attraction back in the day even up until the seventies. Bobby Davis is the manager of buddy Rogers, and he actually is trying to bring in a long line of huge monster heels to challenge bring our San Martino who had just beaten buddy Rogers for the W WWF championship and Rogers is largely on the shelf due to heart problems. So this gives Bobby Davis something to do in in monsoon is introduced the restore align where they say that. Davis was traveling looking for the legend of this Neanderthal any discovers a six foot seven four hundred pound man, nude in a stream, and he didn't know any English. But somehow through an interpreter he convinces this man to come with him to the United States and destroy the legendary Antonio Rocco in less than three minutes and off. Gorilla monsoon debuts. Yes. The Mansuri in just God what they wanted to call the Manchurian monster or something along those lines. I know the guerrilla was pleased with gorilla monsoon versus the Manchurian monster. That was during the time guys didn't have to do promos. And certainly wasn't like it was is today with social media. What have you so guerrilla was able to keep his mouth shut people thought that he was this Mansuri in monster legit who was supposedly English who supposedly born on an isolated farm who traveled with a gypsy caravan of wrestling bears and spoke mowing lush, an eight raw meat and was drink his poor victim's blood. I mean, it's true though. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure you witnessed it many times. Right. Yeah. That part's definitely true be gorilla in Bruno's first match against. Each other was sort of thrown together Meltzer would write similar. Tina was scheduled to have a long away to title rematch against Rogers who had won the title on may seventeenth nineteen sixty three and forty eight seconds of Madison Square Garden before sellout crowd of more than eighteen thousand fans their disputes as to whether or not Roger suffered a heart attack. That's the story Rogers claimed to many people including myself that he'd suffered the heart attack shortly before the first say Martino match and went to the ring and just got it over with within seconds at Saint Martino has always climbed. The story wasn't true that commission. Doctors would not have allowed him in the ring. If that were the case, did you ever hear this rumor that may be but he had a heart attack? Or did you just assume that was not the case? Well, hate to speak ill of the dead. But I I heard you heard the store. Everybody heard the story back in the time. They're always two camps. That believed that buddy just didn't want to do the job and he wanted to have a legit excuse. And a lot of times back in the day. You would have these underlying stories so that people had an out? So that a guy could have an outdoorsy funk junior had the quote freak accident on the ranch before he was set to drop the belt Jack Brisco eventually dropped it to Harley race because of the accident the buddy Rogers, heart attack scenario. Same thing. I I think that buddy probably fabricated that a little bit. So that he would have a story as to why he was even dropping the championship Bruno at the time. So there was a lot. You know, there was just so much controversy because buddy had been the NWEA champion and Liu says had defeated him for the title. I think in Toronto or wherever the hell that was and then buddy was still being represented as world champion for Vince senior. And now Bruno wins the title. It was a New York play in a lot of rumor in in innuendo and all on all sides back in those days, man, it's like Bruno would probably till his dying breath present that when he won that that he went out and just beat buddy. I went out and just took it from him. We'll work. It was a war. Well, some sorry. But that's just the way it was in those days. It was it was different world. They protected the business at all. Every every way they can the rematch was set for October fourth nineteen sixty three Bruno, and buddy, and it was moved from Addison Square Garden outdoors to Roosevelt stadium in Jersey City because they expected a record setting crowd. And obviously they're doing strong television as well. But just a few weeks shy of the show. It's announced that due to heart problems Rogers has been pulled from the show and now tournament would be held on television to create a new top contender sponsored by ring magazine, and we would see monsoon destroy everyone and less than a minute including the top heel buddy Austin in the finals. So we finally get burn. Oh anger Rila monsoon. San Martino loses by dick, Hugh, and he's bloody in the process. There's eight. Eighteen thousand fans here probably would have been more had been buddy Rogers. But when body, but when Bobby our buddy pulls out that number changes, the do a rematch a couple of weeks later, and I got to a double count out, but it draws another sell out at Madison Square Garden, and then finally in November of sixty three there's another sell out in San Martino finally gets his win. And now the monsoon feud with Bruno can go on the road towns like Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Washington DC. Pretty big deal. The the idea that a Roger San Martino rematch slides in an opportunity for Rila absolutely in. It was another one of those situations. He made the most out of in those legendary to work with Bruno in the sixties and have more than one match with Bruno at the time. You were made you were a top guy because you can say, hey, I worked the guard sold garden out. I worked program with Bruno, and you could write your ticket to any territory anywhere in the country anywhere in the world for that matter. But in New York you were made. Well, I'm I'm fascinated by the good old days here. It's just weird to think about guerrilla knob being an older guy. But when I think about that, I think about why I don't want to be elder either ageless male max, we need to bring them into this country back to greatness easier than ever thanks to ageless. Let's male max because they've got a patent pending formula with an ingredient that's gonna help you lose your total testosterone real with want to promote greater increases in muscle size and twice the reduction in body fat percentage compared to this exercise alone. Plus an amazing sixty four percent increase in nitric oxide, which can be handy in the gym or in the bedroom. Take your manhood to the max by trying you first thirty day bottle for free shipping and handling. I want to be clear getting ten days or fifteen days, but a full thirty day supply, and it's absolutely free. All you've got to do is text the word ram, the seventy nine seventy nine seventy nine. You heard me. Text the word ram are. AM the seventy nine seventy nine seventy nine and you're going to get your free bottle. Don't settle for anything less than total testosterone booster. Try Aves us mail max for free. We didn't need to warn you. If your results are too intense, please decrease the use you'll figure it out ram RAM to seventy nine seventy nine seventy nine show the world and the little lady what a real man's made of with ageless male. Max message and data rates may apply. Let's talk about killer Kowalski because he's going to be a critical part of this story early in gorillas career. A huge man is oh in his own, right. Six nine two hundred ninety pounds. Obviously everybody knows him at this point is the legendary trainer of triple h. Buddies famous for ripping a mother fuckers ear off is he not? Yeah. Working with Yukon Eric in Montreal. And his legend goes kill Qualls key came off the top rope and ripped you Eric's ear right off and was one of the most famous wrestlers all over the world. They took that that one match that one feud all over and drew money with it close key was a big man himself. You know, killer equality was probably six six six seven and always in tremendous shape. You know, in the the interview on paycheck with Jerry Briscoe Briscoe talks about how his education in the professional wrestling business really began and and went to school when he spent six months in Australia work in every night with killer. Kowalski Kowalski was just an unbelievable talent a great. He was great. He'll just. Great psychology and could do anything in the world. And plus he he moved like a much smaller, man. And did a lot of things off the top rope. He's also responsible for trading. John stud big stud to and he and monsoon. Great, friends and traveled up and down the road. And did some terrific businesses. Well. Do. I do wanna talk more about him another time. I don't know when we'll talk about him again. But it feels like there'll be an opportunity if triple h ever wins Opole, which may never actually happened. Let's fast forward a little bit because peace going to be a very integral part of the company for a long time and this rumor in innuendo that he actually has an opportunity to become invested and capital sports. Did you ever hear the story about that? Because there's a lot of different legends and wrestling, but. Is it true that guerrilla once owned twenty percent of the company? Yes, it is. And it was during a time, you know, the old man. Bent senior. He had different partners in the capital sports promotion that there was a while red berry fills Zakho who was New York guy. And he promoted Philadelphia. Lot of different guys Arnold n-. But monsoon and Arnie and all of these guys when Joe toots Mont past they were able to buy in to the company with with events. So there was a a believable was Arnold Cullen gorilla monsoon. I think Willie gills and bird was tied in there somewhere. But I don't know that the gills and bird had a whole lot in the company, but it was mainly Scuola n- monsoon. And in the old man were the main decision makers in the business. Is is so wild. When you think about in a few ball twenty percent of the company back, then what it might be worth now. Well, you would have gotten paid off big time with you know, Vince is pay off in nineteen eighty three or nineteen Eighty-four whatever it was because I was part of his condition that he would if he missed one payment to anybody that they all got the company back. So he paid an exorbitant amount all the partners, and the deal was that Vince paid them back quarterly in the last payment was large balloon payment do roughly thirty or sixty days after wrestlemainia, so Vince gambled. Everything on wrestlemainia, the first wrestlemainia in had it not hit things would have changed tremendously. But it hit big. And he was able to pay off all those guys. And I think they all were in shock. That they got every single penny. That was promised them at the time. And and it turned out to be a pretty damn good investment forum. It's some interesting to me the dynamic that must exist. Because while he's an owner or former owner he's been bought out. Now, he's an employee so senior brings him in. And now. Juniors going to buy them out. But keep him around. So now the guy who's buying out sort of your boss. That's a weird dynamic for Vinson guerrillas is not well was in on top of that guerrilla always looked at advances Vinnie Vinnie. And kinda he was the kid. So there's that aspect to it. But one thing that Vince, his father asked him was make sure that you take care of monsoon and Arnie's colon. Just make sure you take care of him and invents did till till they're dying days made sure that they were always taking care of make sure they were on the payroll some way, even if they didn't have a job and didn't come to work. He made sure that they they got paid all the way till the end. And and I'm sure probably to this day. He's taking care of Betty sculling. And and and just taking care of the families to this day. I wouldn't surprise me. Let's talk about when guerrilla had an opportunity to buy into Puerto Rico. How did you hear that all came about? And what was the relationship that he had with the Puerto Rican territory? Well, guerrilla first of all he liked to go to Puerto Rico. He was friends with Carlos Cologne who was the owner with Victor Jovica. They owned the Puerto Rican promotion, and and they promoted in the islands mainly so monsoon loved to go to Puerto Rico because it was first of all it was an easy trip. You made good money, and you just got to stay on the island. But. And this is all coming from gorilla monsoon to me. So this is firsthand from how Gino explained it to me was he had been going down and Carlos needed someone. From the states. He he was you know, Carlos was only working the islands and in he had a good relationship with different promoters, all over the world to bring talent in had a relationship with the NWEA used their champion and the champion always loved to go down there and work the islands. But monsoon when he heard this. He was like what if I was a partner, and he bought into the company now, he never told me how much he bought into the company, but it was it was a minority share that monsoon would help him out. Gina would go down there from time to time would work even after his working days long past he would still go down there and have a match or tube because his name meant something in Puerto Rico. But it was more of a business relationship and friendship with Carlos Cologne, Victor Jovica and a he looked at he looked at Carlos. Says it's one of his best friends. There was Victor Kenyan ace who monsoon kind of looked at his son into care of him as well, you know, till the day died and just always looked after can Yonis in vice versa. So it was it was just a an appreciation of the island and out of friendship that monsoon took a piece of that. And he he paid for. And he got he got his money every every year from that promotion as well allegedly. It's ten percent. But hey owned. And as you said, it's probably a welcome distraction to go, you know, every now and again down to Puerto Rico, especially if you've got. You know, your permanent residences in the bitterly cold northeast. The now you can pop up in the wonderful weather of Puerto Rico and work with some much smaller guys, and they'll bump around for you. And you don't have to kill yourself, and you make a bunch of money in the process, and plus if it's out there on you too. But if you want to see one of the worst matches of all time, go look up the boxing match of gorilla monsoon versus Andre the giant in a boxing in a boxing match in Puerto Rico, absolutely terrible is the worst thing you will ever see, but you can't look away. So, but but it was it was kind of an I'm jumping ahead here little bit. But it was a a relationship that became strained. When Vince made his expansion in Vince wanted to take over. For the world and promote all over the world that been society wanted to go to Puerto Rico. But there was a guy by the name of Jim Troy who was in charge of international promotions for the company for WWF. And Troy got this deal in Puerto Rico to bring the WWF over not realizing the politics of gorilla monsoon being a part owner with Cologne, and not understanding the the politics that go along with that. So the show was booked, and and I think Vince McMahon assumed that all this had been run by guerrilla nothing had been run by guerrilla. But he was also a company guy in in guerrilla. They had him booked to do play by play at the show. It was an outdoor show, and they were recording it for a videotape or something and when monsoon gets there. He's got to go meet with Carlos and just say, hey, this is what we're doing. We're we're not coming in and Carlos was pissed, but as legend has it some people pay Jim Troy visit in his hotel room when he arrived on the island and might have hung him outside. Dow upside down outside of his outside the window the hotel until monsoon, maybe talk some sense into people. That's his legend goes, but they they did the show the pouring rain in monsoon and everybody had to have a plastic like ponchos clear ponchos hovering over them while they sat down the middle of the pouring rain trying to call this thing with the monitors and everything and there was decent crowd there. But the one thing I always remember. Nelson swag ler. Who was Vince is production guy was on the shoot. He says he goes on. God damn and Bob is sitting there bobbing gorilla and Baba's is chain smoking cigarettes one after the other after the other. And we're in a plastic tent in a tent, I tell you and it's pouring down rain, and I can't see the monitor because there's so much smoke in there. And I say Bob, can you take it easy on the cigarettes? And he would just like more didn't give a damn what I said. Well, that's pretty much, Gino. He really didn't care. But that was the the Puerto Rican story later on them going down. And I just always loved the story. Jimmy, Troy being hung out by Zion -chools outside the hotel window. Listen, I don't know if you're gonna show from this or not, but. Especially in that day. There were lots of rumor and innuendo around certain relationships. We touched on our Houston episode where people thought that may be Gina. Hernandez had a parental father son relationship with Paul Bausch, and because Paulo is looked out for him. And so then people started to say, hey, is that really Paul Bosch assign like his? Gina Hernandez, Paul Bausch, son. We'll people said the same thing about Vicki known as and girl a monsoon, you knew guerrilla what say you. I don't think. So, you know, again, there are people that they have relationships, and they get to know people and get to take care of people through the years. I think that it was somebody the grill helped at a very young age, they became friends and they helped each other all throughout their career. I heard the rumors to I I don't know. I have absolutely no way to know. If there any truth to that one way or another knowing how guerrilla was with his family. I find it fairly hard to believe. But you never know. I have absolutely no idea. But as gorilla monsoon would say, I would think it would be highly unlikely. Let's talk about the Muhammad Ali match lots of Raymond innuendo surrounding Mohammed Ali and professional wrestling. I think most people have heard about Muhammed Ali doing something with Antonio Inoki. Mcgary Lamont soon was involved in all this. Did you have extensive conversation with guerrilla about Ali? Oh god. Yes. Because I'll league grew up is a wrestling fan as well. Not Li you know, he got his rap from gorgeous, George Mack in the fifties in months and Ali was just a huge wrestling fan. He knew all the wrestlers, man. He loved Bruno a loved all those guys from that era in monsoon to ham was this larger than life character that a boxer even Mike Tyson. You know, they were afraid of the wrestler because they knew the wrestler ever. Got you down. You were dead. Good as you are with your hands. If that wrestler gets down they'll tell you up at a not there's not much you can do especially with boxing gloves on. So this whole Antonio Inoki and Muhammed Ali match. It had been made. Aid for Tokyo Japan, the idea behind it was hopefully that they could have the match in Tokyo, maybe subsequent matches around the world. As often takes place in matches like this. You got you got a guy who's legitimate champion in his sport. Muhammad Ali is world champion, probably the greatest boxer that ever lived. And he's he's the best in his sport. And then he got a guy like a gnocchi who is making a name for himself, and he is in his country viewed as the best in his sport. Both guys have legitimate credential sauna so forth, but the the idea was to garner interest in the states. No, one knew who the hell Antonio Inoki was if you had had Muhammad Ali versus Bruno San Martino that would have been a lot more marketable to the United States audience because people saw Bruno and magazines, and and it was the northeast Bruno walked on water that would have been a lot easier to sell. So what they had to do was they had to bring Ali in to these different. Territories and do something with their local guy minute, Minneapolis. They did it with a buddy Wolfe boxer versus wrestler match and had Ali open up buddy Wolfe in New York. They did it with gorilla monsoon. Well, the whole thing with with monsoon and Ali was was. Monsoons whole thing is you're not going to embarrass me not going to humiliate me in all league gets in. And I'll ease doing his shit doing his shit. And then monsoon just to let him know. That I can take you anytime I want to went and got in and they knew, but I think that the idea was was that a monsoon was gonna pick him up and drop him down a monsoon did the airplane spin Budeina Brown on the outside of the ring. He was ALI'S manager and spiritual advisor, whatever the hell. He was will. They all got they didn't know. So they're all upset not everybody was smartened up. So monsoon does this airplane span drops Ali in ALI'S dizzy, and it was it was picked up by everybody all the newscasts had it. I mean, I remember seeing it as a kid in Houston on the news this happened to Muhammad Ali. So the put Fred blassie with Muhammed Ali to teach him wrestling end of things if anybody thinks that the the Ali Inoki match was shoot in any way, shape or form it became a. Shoot to a point. But that it was it was always designed to be a work. Well, and some of that's probably because Holly. Well, we'll talk about another time. I do want to mention that at the time. The. Mega star power. That Ali have cannot be overstated. It not the he was probably the most famous athlete in the world. Second only to the American dream dusty Rhodes. I mean, seriously, it's probably the pope and then him and the whole world, right? Yes. And that's folks that's not an exaggeration. Another sound silly know, I know it sounds ridiculous. But you gotta remember this is before cable. And so, you know, people would listen to fights on the radio, and it was appointment radio at the time. And then I'll lease on there all the time with Howard Cosell. And you know, they knew that this guy was ratings back before. Right. Was really even thing. They just knew that he was super popular and people loved him on the show. So he became a regular and he used that vehicle to promote. And in a weird way. I mean, he became the biggest icon in sports and entertainment. I mean, he's the absolute biggest than the idea that. Gorilla wants twirled around in an airplane span is pretty remarkable. They had a program you you're probably too young to remember remember wide world of sports. Yeah. Yeah. So the wide world of sports was on Saturday afternoon on ABC Howard Cosell was the sports sports guy for ABC. He did Monday night football. He did all the boxing events. You didn't have pay per view in the seventies. Very little closed-circuit even were few and far between. So when there were big boxing matches and Ali would defend these were all recorded to be shown on Saturday afternoon usually about three weeks after the fight. And that was appointment television. You ever you knew the outcome. But you wanted to see the fight. So this was another way you used ALI'S. Name and anything that Ali did got media got attention. So this was a way to promote the Okie fight. And if something got. Done Dolly that was big news. And it was reported everywhere in everybody knew about it. Well, because it's it's you know, I traditional I mean, even back, then even though a lot of people still believed a certain part of the audience, maybe thought wrestling was different. But a a, quote unquote, real athlete like Muhammad Ali would have everybody talking. I think everybody's gonna be talking after tonight come hell or high water because Tom Lawlor former UFC fighter is going to be right here in Atlanta wearing it out and Penelope Ford's their eighty Kingston, Simon grim. But I think the main event is Pentagon and Ray Phoenix taken on Christopher Daniels for kazarian, invest, a you. And a little prick in J F is there and hopefully Scorpio sky beat the shit out of him. Tickets are on sale now at a vent bright just look up come hell or high water. I wanna mention glacier. The fuck and the day is this real life fattening tonight in Atlanta. So you there in event Brian come hell or high water. Let's talk a little bit about. The guerrilla position. And how that position came to be and how why was name that. And what guerrillas role was back then because the position in its responsibilities of certainly a change as technology has changed in the business has changed. How did you hear that? I came to be and was that what it was called in Texas when you're breaking inner was always a New York phrase. It was in New York phrase. In mid south. It was the cue, man. I was Q man. A lotta times in Houston Paul would queue guys from ringside while he did commentary in mid south for television. I would sit ringside, and I would give the queues at ringside. So the grill position was a little bit different in New York in that. It was the last bastion. That the talent right before they went out. So the the curtains right there right before you went out, there was gorilla monsoon at the table telling you, okay? You got five minutes. Gone out. If you go over I'm going to kill you. If you look back on some old shows from the capitol wrestling days, you can actually see guerrilla when guys would go over there time walk to the ring. Slap. The Matt in yell at the guys with the stop watch around his neck, and you'd see gorilla monsoon in the middle of the match Yellen. Adam going go, dammit, go home, and you didn't have the luxury of editing. So people are wondering what the hell's gorilla monsoon at the rain yelling at these guys. And why is he telling them to go home? You had no idea. But the I e the thing was was Grillo was that last point he gave the cues he would let the timekeeper no in the early days before headsets and all that other shit. If you saw monsoon in the aisle that meant go home. So it would be like guerrilla would walk out with a minute left to go in the match. The guys would see guerrilla the referee would see gorilla in the aisle way, they'd start going home. So it was it was named the gorilla position. Because guerrilla was always there. They're like go see gorilla in just became the grill position. So what I started in nineteen eighty seven. And I went to the WWF us where I learned about the guerrilla position. And to me, it's never been anything. But that. Let's start a little bit about the first time that you met gorilla. Well, I first time was was in eighty seven when I went up to Worcester Massachusetts, and Joe Watson, I went up. I had the honor of meeting gorilla monsoon right before the production meeting scared to death because monsoon is an intimidating son of a bitch. But it was class all the way made sure that we were taking care of ass. We needed rides. But he was extremely nice. And also took the time to kind of show us the ropes when we would be standing there looking around not knowing what the hell to do or where to go gorilla would come along and say, what do you need? What are you doing in help along? He was that kind of a guy in and that was the way that he was with me just a warm hearted gigantic teddy bear that was one of the greatest people ever ever known in my lifetime. I want to mention that he retired in nineteen seventy nine he announced that if he lost a match in Philadelphia he would retire. But he he did. In fact, lose that match and never wrestled again. But he did make a couple of appearances. If you wanna call it that but never in Philadelphia. He would you know, be in an early match with hulk HOGAN and his run eighty back before hulkamania took over and even years later in eighty seven he did an old timers battle Royal with Luther says did you ever at the weird sentence to say is it not you have a conversation with guerrilla was he is a weird sense to say was he pretty beat up from his years in the ring was he hurting or or did he retire in in a way where he was still able to enjoy himself? He was still able to enjoy himself. He had bad knees and back, but it was not as bad as some guy. Is monsoon retired on his terms. He's tired of of. He was tired of taking bumps want to spend more time with the family. He was an owner. So he looked at it as an opportunity to to live in enjoy. You know, his riches now in monsoon tells a story about after his last match driving over the George Washington Bridge in throwing his gear in his bag out the window over the George Washington Bridge. So I think I guess that goes over the Hudson river there in New York and. Not as spectacular. But when I had done an appearance in Galveston, Texas, just down the street here. I was so frustrated after doing the appearance of my brother Love's stuff that I threw it over into Galveston bay in honor of gorilla monsoon. So I said this is it no more brother vob. He's dead. I've never wear this shit again sale that worked out. Well, it's one time that I know of. Yeah. By all new shit. Maybe one of the reasons that grill monsoon is a success stories because what he said he got to enjoy his riches, and you can enjoy your riches with Robin Hood. It's an investing Appalachia bind sell stocks ATF's options cryptos, and you do it all commission free all other broker Tisza charging ten dollars for every single trade. Robinhood doesn't target any commission fees. You can trade stocks and keep all of your profits. Plus, there's no account minimum deposit needed to get started, and you can start investing at any level. The simple intuitive design of robinhood makes investing easy for newcomers and experts ally to view the easy to understand charts and market data and place a trade and just four taps on your smartphone. You can also view stock collections such as the one hundred most popular with Robin Hood, you can learn how to invest in the market as you build your. Portfolio go. Discover new docks trade your favorite companies get custom notifications for price movements. You never miss the right moment to invest and now Robin Hood is giving the listeners hear something to wrestle a free stock like apple Ford or sprint help you build your portfolio. Doc, y'all what are you waiting on go sign up right now at wrestle dot, Robin, Hood dot com on give that to you again. It's a free Stockman come on wrestle dot, Robin, Hood dot com. Let's talk about the stock here. Because Meltzer would ROY Morello was eventually bought out by Vincent man, junior in hundred ninety two and attorney he got a ten year contract which gave him an announcing job in one and a half times. Preliminary money on every WB of house show, even though he'd never had to leave his home, which turned out to be a very lucrative deal. When the WWF was running close to one thousand shows per year, if you figure preliminary wrestlers in that era were doing two thousand dollars a week figure one and a half times that multiplied by three house shows tonight, and he realized that he had huge money years after selling the company when titan flourished, and it's eight heyday. Wow, that's a lot of money. Gorilla did berry berry. Well wrestling was berry berry good to him. Yeah. Mince, you know, little man asked him take care of a gorilla in Arne. Now, you know, they weren't staying home. They were they were on the road. They were working as road agents during that time and they worked hard, and they traveled an awful lot. But in here was the thing about traveling with gorilla monsoon lotta guys will go in to the town. And the boys are going to go on they're to want to go work out eat somewhere and get to the building. And then find the bar at night and drank all night and wake up the next morning. Go to the next town monsoon would look up. You didn't have internet. You didn't have all that crap. Then but monsoon would look into research on every city. He would go to what what were the hot spots. What were the things that made that city unique in as soon as guerrilla will get into town. He would go and investigate. He would. When he came to Houston. He went to in Houston at the time had this large pottery. Store in Pasadena, Texas, and as soon as grill gots down and called me and says, okay, come pick me out. We're going to go to this place in Pasadena, Texas. I want to get some pottery. And he walked around for two hours, just buying shit and had its clay pots. Sent back to New Jersey. He was crazy. But he go to San Diego monsoon went to SeaWorld. So he he enjoyed his time on the road made the most out of it. But I think after a while took its toll, and when he started doing a lot of the announcing and hosting the television shows for cable, that's when he started to slow down. But he still was going out and making the major towns and and doing a lot of footwork for Vince. Still an incredible amount of money in eighty five. He starts to announce and is doing it with Jesse Ventura. And this is probably the first time. I mean, I don't not maybe not. But I don't know of whether he'll and answers before the feels like the first time those a baby face heel announcer, certainly on a big stage. Right. Well, the really the first one I ever remember was Gordon solely and Roddy piper. Oh, there you go in in WT B S back in the day. However, you know, I think Jesse was the first major he'll announcer for WWF and on a larger national scale. But yeah, they were they were the first in a big big way. And they call, you know, five of the first six wrestlemanias together, which is pretty incredible. And the commentate on all the pay vs with exception of the first two summer slams and the nineteen ninety Royal rumble. What do you remember about gorilla and jesse's relationship were that good? I know that, you know, a different time says he didn't always get along. So well with vents. Yeah. They were good for the most part. I don't remember anybody that guerrilla had a bad relationship with an in any way. I think that there were some guys guerrilla would probably not want to be around. So he just didn't didn't hang out. Monsoon wasn't a big drinker. So he didn't go to the bars at night. He didn't hang out with the boys for the most part e would come back and go to his room, maybe have a beer, but he he just wasn't that big party guy. And he was different. But as far as he and Jesse great relationship from everything I know it was before my time for them to work together other than it pay per views, and they they loved it. Jesse was so relaxed with guerrilla would even. Call him Gino on air, a lot of times people go the fuck is Gino, but they had a very good relationship. And I thought they were great great tag team on air too. Yeah. I mean, I don't think anybody would speed that. It's one of the the all time great pairings. I know guerrilla worked with Tony shivani a little bit. How do you think they worked together? And what do you think real thought Tony a I've know what he did? He he liked Tony in seatbelt soon. Never felt threatened. Right. I think that monsoon looked at it. If there was a new guy coming in to do commentary, less work for him more. In the latter years in monsoon relish that opportunity to train the new guy because it it just meant less work for him. If all guerrilla had to do was come in and do primetime with Bobby. He would have been ecstatic the the challenge voiceovers and all of the cable stuff that could be a little a little wearing on him from time to time. So for shivani to come in when Sean Mooney came in these were young guys wanted to learn in monsoon was the first one to say, hey, let me tell you how it's done here. And I'll help you and I'll work with you. He took the time do it. And he got along with everybody at the studio. He was one of the guys in the studio. He just was he was like that grandfather that everybody loved. Best way to describe him. Let's let's talk a little bit about when Ventura leaves in mid ninety he's replaced and commentary by monsoons prom. Tom. Wrestling co host Bobby Heenan, what did you like better gorilla? I'm Bobby ORR gorilla and Jesse take grill and Bobby everyday twice on Sunday. They. Had a genuine love for one another Bobby so grey and monsoon it was it was easy in monsoon took that stereotypical baby. Face play by play role in Bobby took to that weasel. They were just great fodder for one another and nobody ever took anything personal. They never rehearsed a thing. It was just like, okay. What do you won't talk about? I don't know. What do you wanna talk about? And they would go. It was kind of like you. And I we don't talk about ship before we go on the air. We just go. That's the way that the grill and Bobby were I would give them a run sheet. I would give them ideas. Here's what we're going into what we're coming out of hit this hit that they figured out everything else. So as far as producing gorilla and Bobby day off is all had to do was format. I didn't really have to produce them that much. Let's talk a little bit about you know, what changed if anything between. Guerillas relationship with vents as time went on was he, you know, people often talk about the undertake your lie. He sort of the locker room later was guerrilla sort of. I don't know a Lieutenant or was he more one of the boys and did that ever change. Well, when Vince started his expansion guerrilla a lot of times was the first guy that he would send in if there was ever any thought of this may go awry or somebody may want to not do business or it could be iffy. You sent monsoon it was no nonsense. He would take care of whatever problem that there was and there would never really be an issue. So there was a huge trust factor there with Vincent gorilla in that. He was very comfortable with monsoon being that guy and being the face of the company a lot of times out on the road and monsoon didn't take shit from anybody. And I don't know that anybody ever ever would have even considered trying him either. But he had that reputation h just had that presence. You know, what I mean, you know, he walks into a room he owned the room. And there was a respect there that no. One. I never saw anybody disrespect on soon or be an asshole to him in in any way, shape or form. He just command that kind of respect with people, and he did it in a classy way by showing respect to people. Can you give me an example of guerrillas leadership? Well, I think that the. Boy the best way to do. It is when grill came down for Houston. The first time that I worked with guerrilla, okay grill. Vincent guerrilla down to check out. What we had there in Houston and give his report in his suggestions. So monsoon knew that I was the liaison and we worked together. But when it came time for even even Paul Bosch. When it came time for that show monsoon just took over in a way that nobody was going to dispute it Randy savage, one of the funniest things. Randy savage was working with honky tonk, man and monsoon is laying out the match and it wasn't well by blow. But he he says it goes, Iran. He goes, then you make your comeback. Why don't you hit him with a couple of drop kicks and savage is gonna happen. I don't drop kick a hit him with the no bones. Great. Randy. You do what you you know? But it was monsoon just took over. So you think about that? And and then I'll go fast forward to the early nineties during the time that Vince was busy with the steroid trial. And what have you Pat Patterson, and I were writing TV's for the most part by ourselves. We would run it by vents. But then we would go. Go to TV without Vince. Patent? I would run the production meetings, and we would run run the television normally for production meeting Vince McMahon sits at the head table, and he would read the matches and tell the stories we'll now Vince, isn't there who's gonna do it. Well, who who should do it? Pat Patterson should do it. He's the older guy. He's got tenure. He's everybody. You know, loves Pat respects, Pat, and Pat just had this fear of public speaking. And wouldn't do it? He's like Brucie is. It's your show. You wrote it, you know, you do it in the the fear and intimidation of having to sit in that room with the likes of chief Jay strongbow, Jack Lanza, George the animal Steele in gorilla monsoon in half to explain to them what we're gonna do tonight. It was surreal for me. But just so intimidating the reason I bring that up is because after I was done with the first one in like you talk about sweat rings. I was so my shirt just with nervous sweat. I was soaked. Because I was just so nervous and intimidated by all these guys. Monsoon was the first one to come up in tell me, I did a great job and basically endorse me in front of the whole room. Once monsoon did that everybody else followed. But it will sure as hell wasn't going to be chief Jay strongbow to come up and do it or Jim Myers, but monsoon did in monsoon did it in front of everybody right at the end of the meeting the first time. Now's like. But that's that's the kind of wait. He carried in the sway. He had. In class. Let's. Let's talk a little bit about his real life. Friendship with Bobby the brain Heenan, their relationship was gold in anybody who saw them perform together knows that. And even when Bobby Heenan went in the hall of fame said, he wished guerrilla was there. Are they the most her Olympic comedic duo in wrestling history? Do you think? Yes. Yes. I I don't think anyone will ever touch them. And even if someone does they'll say, they're the best sense. Bobby in guerrilla, the one of the saddest moments in my life. Was guerrillas funeral. At the end of the at the end of the funeral. They did the service were out of the grave site. And. Everybody goes to walk in in. Bobby was still sitting at the gravesite. There was some press there in MTV people in all this stuff and in Bobby. I remember waiting on him. And he says because just gimme a minute. So I walked away and Bobby was at the gravesite by himself, and he was pretty upset. And. It just so surreal. But all these these press people. Had no regard. For. For that love, and for that friendship, and for for that moment in there, still snapping their pictures and taken video, and when Bobby was done, I'll my God, he just laid into them. And finally, the the security came and got everybody off. But it was just a. Yeah, they they were as close as two people could be and they loved each other like brothers, and you know, took care of each other. It was it was so sad when Bobby went to WCW for gorilla and for Bobby for them to leave each other. So it was. Is a very unique relationship and just full of an for for everybody. It was to Jessica bobby's daughter, you know, he was uncle gorilla. And you know, same thing Bobby they were part of each other's each other's lives and their families they've AK shin together. And they were they were always around loved one. Another. It's pretty cool that monsoon got to call the first eight wrestlemanias eighty five ninety two is the lead commentator syndicated show WBF all star wrestling and its successor wrestling challenge. And of course, the USA network weekend show all American wrestling co hosted the Monday night show, Tom Tom wrestling, and even served as the co host of Georgia championship wrestling on WCBS during short lived ownership of that promotion. What do you think? All these shows the hosted was involved with he enjoyed the most primetime with Bobby. If all he could have done was prime time with Bobby. He would have been ecstatic. I loved all the gorilla 'isms. You know, the the winners and losers purse jam packed to the rafters will you stop? When there's so many, you know, pay into Monia m- cut, the trinity with a knife places. Go bananas, you know. And then when he's guarding the different body parts, you know, the kisser or the breadbasket or he may have temporarily dislocated the patella. And then of course with the finish came. You know, stick a fork in. He's done. What a great, you know, Seta phrases, and that's really sort of the Mark of a good radio DJ or a good promo. The rock says that's the bottom line. I mean, hey. Hey, something main, gene, you know, you've got all those certainly JR has a generation later. The man guerrilla was like, and maybe I'm home or I'm just the right age. But feels like Rila was relieved the first guy who did all that stuff in wrestling. At least for me. He did. And he was over the top with it. All I. You would have an announcement, for example at wrestlemainia ninety three thousand one hundred seventy three people and right after the announcements made you'd go to monsoon air packed in the rafters over one hundred thousand air. Jess. Thousand gino. Is that not good enough? You know, the garden would go from being eighteen thousand plus two twenty five thousand here tonight folks, thirty thousand in or outside still waiting to get in. He was the master of the over exaggeration. But he could get he could get away with it girl on soon. He didn't get away with it. Eventually, you know, it came near the end this last stepped down as the league commentator wrestlemania nine JR who we mentioned replaced him there. And he was moved to the wrestling challenge with Bobby Heenan. And then all American wrestling with Lord, Alfred Hayes on April eleventh nineteen Ninety-three and he compensated with J O R on WBF radio for the broadcast of summer, slam ninety three survivor series three in rural rumble ninety four. Sometimes JR gets a bad rap about being difficult to deal with and it's never knees e spot when one guy takes another gas spot had a guerrilla handle that and what was his relationship with JR. Well, again, I think the guerrilla look at as less for him to do. Plus gino's health was really not good at that time. So he was looking to be less on the road and a little less responsibility. It was hard. He couldn't drive at night anymore. So he would have to stay over wherever he was. And he would he would get up and drive during the day. So those the commutes were a little more laborious for him and. He welcomed it. I think he was relieved when JR came in because he felt that. Okay. Vince has somebody that can fill that slot, and I can relax a little bit. Now. He wasn't. He wasn't a guide to hold a grudge. He wasn't a Guida. He was exactly the opposite. Okay. Great. Let's go make it work. He returned to the television broadcast team king of the ring ninety four with Randy, savage and art Donovan. How frustrated guerrilla working with art that night? It feels like it comes through the show. It was you know, what I really and truly think that his frustration was more with Randi than it was art Donovan because I think gorilla looked at art dot he knew what he had. Donovan ardent have a clue in monsoon wanted to have fun with it savage was more upset with Donovan not having a clue about anything and monsoons. Frustration was more with Randi trying to cover art stuff instead of just let monsoon kind of direct traffic. He had a hard time directing traffic. Because savage wasn't wasn't savvy enough at that time on commentary. Randy was new commentary at that time. It was it resulted in the all time worst commentary on any major show in history. What are you? What do you think gorilla? Missed more entering action or. The commentary stuff. Oh boy. I don't know because he was so Khun he was content. Not wrestling anymore. He loved working with Bobby. He he loved the banter back and forth on prime time. He loved coming in in doing that. I think that when that went away that was the hardest thing for him really to accept. But I don't think he ever regretted being out of the rain. And I don't think he missed doing play by play all the time. But I do think he missed doing primetime with Bobby. Let's talk a little bit about the tops. Tops had to fill in for vents because there are a handful of Rawls in ninety three ninety four or feels like Vince is unavailable and he feels in. And he does the same thing Ray sporadically on challenge from ninety three to ninety five. He would find himself working with JR even staying lane. How did all that come about? And and was he always just sorta ondeck whenever you needed him. He was he was our utility guy. He became whenever there was someone new put up with monsoon monsoons gonna show him the ropes. Teach you how to get in and get out till their story and be done. So that was. That was teaching time in monsoon was was good at it. So he was on deck. He was the utility guy. And he didn't mind that he didn't mind it at all. Because kinda it kept him involved. We didn't at that time. It wasn't like he had to come to the studio every week. It would come in. Maybe once a month. So it was a whole lot less work, and he got work with different people and younger guys, and he enjoyed it. I think that he was waiting for the days to just sit at home and just kind of. Be with his family in July. He of course to various work for Coliseum. Video all the home video releases VHS and whatnot as last pay per view where he the commentaries ninety four survivor series. And he did that with Vincent, man. And then he became a storyline. President and the summer of ninety five he would replace Jack Tunney. Wow. Was he the perfect guy to become WBF, president respect? There was not. I don't think that. There was anybody. In the audience that could say fuck girl amount soon. He had tenure he had respect from the audience. He had respect from the talent. So people knew him, and it wasn't a, you know, Jack Tunney our figurehead president for so many years was just a figurehead. So he was monsoon. They believed had stroke. So it was the credibility of his entire career that people believed him and they accepted him and took his word with him being the president. I was one of the best roles for him other than obviously primetime. Let's talk a little bit about the rumble ninety six because the night after Vader attacks and takes him off TV. It was a big angle. What's he up for that? He was and it was we were looking at who we could get heat on that we could get well, not so much even he is sympathy and grill monsoon was everybody's father. Everybody's grandfather had never been touched on television in you know, since his wrestling days. So it was a way to get baiter over to get people to hate mater and the way to do that is to attack one of the most beloved figures in the business. I mean, no arguing that it certainly worked and got him over after that piper became the interim president until wrestlemainia twelve when guerrilla assumes the position again. But health concerns would force them to relinquish the role in summer of ninety seven and said of naming a replacement you guys decide to retire the role of president and then introduce ours and slaughter instead as the WWF Commissioner in August ninety seven so your last on air, president was gorilla monsoon, which is pretty cool. Little thing of note. What was going on with gorilla in summer of ninety seven when he needed to take a break, you know, win. Gorilla Sanjoy Morella passed away in a horrible car accident. Yeah. I guess we should touch on that, you know. I was going to save it for the because I thought you might give upset, but we'll just do it will. Guerillas son is referee Joey Morella who many of us. Remember, you know from the early day. I remember like yesterday in wrestlemainia six I don't know why that sticks out so much. But I think a lot of people don't know the the true nature of their relationship. Joey passed away in a car accident on the fourth of July nineteen ninety four and can't imagine how hard that must have been tell everybody about Joe in gorillas real life relationship, and then talk a little bit about the car accident. And how you heard about it and found out about it. And how company came to know about it. And most importantly, how it affected guerrilla? Well, Joey was gino's wife, marines, son and guerrilla adopted him after he Maureen were married so gorilla raise Joey as his son. They were you know, they were very close. Joey had. Great college baseball career could've gone pro and is fucked around and fucked up his shoulder and couldn't do it. So he he ended up in the wrestling end of things as referee. So. Now, we just done on the beach of think ocean city some like that or maybe I don't I really don't all remember as Shane McMahon. We we left television. We drove back to Connecticut. We got back into Connecticut about five o'clock in the morning. And I went home dropped we went to the office and cars, I went home by the time. I got home Shane called me. This is a Gus bad news. What's added? He says. Joey is gone. So Joey what what are you talking about ISIS? Joe Morelli is gone. Is in a car accident and we lost him. Just in Joey was the last person that we said goodbye to you know, the end of the night. Raise their just, you know, he's. Say your goodbyes and and. That's how I found out. It was. As shits. I. Called gorilla. All this is now I'm probably six clock in the morning. Now, call gorilla he answered. Was mass. Shall I love him? And you know, sorry. He. The God, you know, it just he was so young. I it was just so sad. Those are the dangers of the road. You know, it's. I just sucks, but that that moment that moment changed Gino going forward. There was such a big part of him that was missing going forward. And I think that a lot of the. The mental health. Of Bob Morella, a big piece of him died the day Joey died. I don't know that you know, that it just it just was missing. It was just it just was missing. At the funeral. He just didn't want us to leave. We all went over to the house afterwards and. Had a plaque on his on his wall from saying that this room was Bill by bull Ramos volume was an old wrestler that they always used to play cards in the dressing room monsoon used to kill cards, and so he invited bowl overdoes new house and had this big huge game room built he set it up. So the bull could see the the plaque on the wall and Ramos was just livid, but schmor- that that day in and. He because Shane I remember vents couldn't go to the funeral because of the trial. And it was just Shane an I. It was just so hard to leave him. But that was that was the moment that was the moment that in a lot of ways he gave up he was diabetic. And he. Just wasn't taking care of himself like you should have. And I think he stopped carrying in a lot of respect. So it was it was difficult. But he at the same time, you know, he he just want to spend time with his friends. So he and Arnold sculling and Betty skull. And they they would always. Spend weekends together. Monsoon good one monsoon when I asked my wife to marry me, we my brother Tom was in reading Pennsylvania free CW, and I went to pick him up, and then we met gorilla in Atlantic City. And he had the whole thing set up for me and beautiful suite at Caesar's and dinner, and I got to propose to my wife and a Maureen were big part of that. And would always amazed seem like every other weekend. You be like you and Stephanie come to city with us. And it was it was weird because it was usually may staff and guerrilla more rain and Arnold colon. Is why Betty in those little bit of an age gap there, but I loved I loved going to the casino with monsoon. It was. He was taught me you wanna win money. You gotta bet money. And I watched him bed. Lot of money lose a lot of money win a lot of money. But he was he was in his element in in the casino. Yes. Health started to slip. What's the most you ever saw him lose in a single sitting? See? Well. Rob ably about seventy thousand dollars. And the most you ever saw him win. Most I ever witnessed him win was probably about fifty. Hannity highly win the fifty halladay lose the seventy all blackjack just blackjack not in one hand. But in a sitting in a setting. No, I'm in say, I'm talking about several hours. Sure. Yeah. This was he would sit in the high rollers, you know, deal table by himself he'd play three or four hands on blackjack, and you know, each. Each game you'd have you know, three or four it would bet on and he just sat there by himself and would play nonstop until Maureen would come and tell time to go eat. Did he ever? Due to avoid where he got himself in some financial type times. I don't know that it was ever like any dire financial times. But I know that he he bet a lot of money he up until just because a lot of guys who bet big like that they live a bit of a rollercoaster. You know, they have real highs and some some real lows. Yeah. He saved his money though. He guerrilla was smart with his money saved his money as house was paid for everything was paid for. But man, he he loved gamble it. And I say up until his last days. He was calling the guys at the studio saying is there anything going on tonight? Anything you can get some action on. He just wanted action on something is there is there an over and under his Vince coming in today. What times he scheduled? Okay. Is there a bet on the over and under what time he'll be there? He just wanted to bet on something. We would organize card games when monsoon was staying over and stuff, and he he loved to sit there and play poker with all the guys, and he didn't he didn't care about the amount is I think we had a twenty five dollar limit or something and you didn't care about that. He just wanted to play just wanted wanted the action. He was he was definitely addicted to that. That's that goes without saying. His final appearance. I think most people know the last time we fan saw was wrestlemainia fifteen here's one of the three judges for a fight between bar gun butterbean. And when he's introduced guerrilla received a standing ovation. And maybe most famously in ninety nine is when they started a run that old attitude commercial where they would show clips of Freddie, blassie and Ernie Ladd and Pat Patterson killer Kowalski if told us before here on the show, Vincent favorite commercial in the history of WVU. Right. Yes. Because it had all the legends. And it just it it pulled it the heartstrings, man. It's tough to watch today. It's hard to imagine that he passed away as young as did October sixth nineteen ninety nine and his home in Moore's will New Jersey only sixty two years old, which is very very young. Meltzer, what ri- Merill had been in poor health and nearly passed away more than one year ago, but made a strong or covering his condition. Took a turn for the worst after mile heart attack on September nineteenth causing complications from diabetes to worsen as close to him noted that he went out like a man's man in he would have been able to stay alive being costly hooked up to a pacemaker to regulate its heartbeat on kidding Dallas rather than live out his life being unable to leave. The house has a house vegetable as he termed it a made the call that it was time to quote unquote, checkout about ten days before Steph eight took himself off the dialysis and dot a slow death came home on the afternoon of October fifth largely to die in peace after being hospitalized Philadelphia. His wife marine had been with him for more than forty years, and they had three children. Sharon born in sixty Joey born in sixty three in Valerie born in sixty six. And for whatever reason Victor Cantona's was listed in his bitchy areas. Well, never officially confirmed by guerrilla, but the morale family acknowledged victor's part of their family, and he win the hall of fame, of course, before he passed away back in June of ninety four but his legacy is bigger than a television show were hall of fame because a lives on in the hearts and minds of all of us who grew up with his voice. And I mean who could forget some of the conic calls and our favorite memories. A lot of them. He was the sound Chang for that. And you know, the irresistible force the movable object, so many conic lines. You know, I hate to be that guy. But did you have chance to say about a gorilla? What was your last conversation with Gene-o line? I did. Is it monsoon was air. When I asked him. Why marry me was at my wedding. He Maureen, and I have I have friends of mine. The raw also at the wedding that. Fell in love with Bob Morella that night because he sat next to them and made them feel like they were all just the best of friends like they had known each other forever. That's just kinda guy was he? When I had my kids. You know, he just was was a parse may special moments in my life and. When we knew he did make the decision. I'm not I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna die. I'm not going to stay alive and not be able to live life. Bobby there? There were a couple times long before that Gino hit lost towed. Diabetes and Bobby would always call him. Hey, toad eight and shit like that just to to keep everything light in. When probably because last time I spoke to him. He was in the hospital, and we said goodbye because he no and. Two. To me that was when you know, that's when he was gone when he said goodbye that day. He whispered it. Toma loved him say love me. Take care staff and the kids and. He just, you know, you think of the, you know, you think old farts and those old guys and some could be assholes never was an asshole to anybody. And I'm like a bitch, right? He just was. So remarkable so many ways and personified class and don't think I ever. I don't think I ever saw get mad. And lose his temper he had a he had a diamond diamond rings said Gino big son of a bitch. We were at Caesar's palace in Las Vegas went into washes hands and came back to the table and says oh shit. I left my rang and went right back in and someone had already gotten it. And he just came back to the table. And like nothing happened. I would be going nuts. He just well. Somebody got it. I guess we have money for. Loved him, a was a friend and just a great great, man. And. I think he'll go he'll go down as one of the most important people in in. The wrestling businesses is just such a huge huge part of it in so many ways for so many years, and I love. And we love him to gorilla monsoon will live forever in the wrestling business. But most importantly and our memories, and it's pretty cool that everywhere in wrestling. Now, they refer to a certain spot of the arena as the gorilla position. What legacy? What a legacy. Hey left. Yeah. And you talk about that Conrad. I remember because I done it for so long one day. The the crew guys put said grill position, they put the love physician, and I went ballistic that will never be anything else, but the drill position, and I hope that that legacy lives on and on forever and ever. And I, you know, WCW call go position when I went to TNA I made at the grill position. And. Yeah by God. That's the grill position. It will be forever. Absolutely will. And we thank everybody for joining us today on a pretty emotional gorilla. Monsoon tribute episode gone, but not forgotten. Hopefully, you guys enjoyed today's show. If you've got some questions, we love to answer them for you later this week on patriotic pro Tom to wrap it up now. But joined Bruce and ask them some questions about his favorite, Gino memories are on our Facebook Facebook dot com forward slash something. Wrestle next week. We're going to be Bill south on a little more a little more interesting. Saint Valentine's day massacre went down with Vince McMahon inside of a steel cage against don't call Steve Austin on top but wound up being a pretty big show. Pardon the pun because we would see a debut one Mr Paul y in the most interesting way possible and the week after that we're bringing no way out two thousand four the crowning moment for Eddie Guerrero. So no polls today. But we will have polls for you next week for the following week after no way out but next week, it's all about Saint Valentine's day massacre. Thank you for tuning in this week. And we'll see next week right here on something to wrestle, Richard. I guess we need to think our sponsor aids. This male max before we get out of here. They've got a patent pending formula with an ingredient that helps you boost your total testosterone. And that's probably something. Well need right now as to promote greater increases in your muscle size and twice the reduction in body fat percentage than just exercise alone. But here's the real kicker sixty four percent increase in nitric oxide. Go come in handy in the gym or the bedroom and these dudes as the smell max are hooking. Yeah. Man. You get your first thirty day bottle for free. You just pay the shipping and handling and you're getting the first thirty day bottle for free. Why would you just try it? Try right now when you text the word ram, that's our M to seventy nine seventy nine seventy nine text the word ram right now to seventy nine seventy nine seventy nine message and data rates apply.

New York wrestling atlanta Gino Vince McMahon Bruno San Martino Mohammed Ali Philadelphia Bruce Prichard Ricky Bobby Muhammed Ali WWF buddy Rogers United States Pentagon Japan Christopher Daniels Texas Puerto Rico Andre
The Gorilla Epidemic

Sidedoor

33:16 min | 3 months ago

The Gorilla Epidemic

"This is side door a podcast from the Smithsonian support from pr ex I'm lizzy peabody. All right I got my mask. Ticket on my phone. To Go. Right back on the hallowed grounds of the Smithsonian. Where's Justin? This is a special occasion not only is it our final episode of the season? This is also the first time I'm seeing doors senior producer, Justin O'Neill since March, we decided to meet up at the National Zoo. Well. Hello. Hey lizzy how's it going? Do you live here now? I just come here hanging out at the house. Have you told people where we are? Yes. We are at the Smithsonian's National Zoo and we are currently in the great ape house. And we are both wearing masks and we were standing well over six feet apart. And I. Think I have an inkling of why we are here. Yes. So you know that we've been talking to a lot of gorilla experts lately, and as part of this episode, I really wanted to get us behind the scenes so we could like a guerilla. Yes. So are we going behind the scenes? Originally, that was the plan, but with Cova precautions, this place is open to the public. You know there's this thick glass between us and the Orangutans and the guerrillas, but to keep animals safe behind the scenes, it's still pretty locked down. So that rules out meeting a guerilla. Just. In case just in case they get covid. Yeah, and back for a second. I just want to say that this episode started I just after the pandemic began like all of us I was hearing about how this corona virus infection had jumped into people from animals. So that. Made me wonder what are the odds it could jump from people into other animals? So I called around the zoo just to find out a bit more about like guerrilla precautions and and what life looks like for a guerrilla right now and I was able to get in touch with Caroliina Powell. She's a gorilla keeper at the Smithsonian National Zoo. Worked for, about eighteen months. So I wasn't able to interview her directly ended up, writing out some questions and she recorded yourself answering them anyway. Here's a list of animals Lizzie that she cares for so because I'm so new I have only trained with the guerrillas. So we have six guerrillas and I am currently working with the Iranians and we have seven orangutans however once I am trained in the entire unit we will I will also care for six lemurs to signings three monkeys, and then we also have one rat right now and a few hermit crabs. Okay that is a lot of different kinds of animals. I can't even keep that many house plants alive. So. Maybe this is obvious has a guerilla been infected with coronavirus. That's a great question asked around and we're not even sure if guerrillas ten get infected with this virus. But the answer is probably guerrillas and people are ninety eight percent genetically identical. So if something can make us sick, it'll probably harmed guerrillas to and Caroliina. Says that guerrillas zoo get colds just like we do. Right so because we are so close related, they definitely can. But Yeah, we've definitely seen them from time to time where they'll like sees a little bit or we've seen runny noses and if we do notice that with them before Cova was around, that would be a time that we would wear masks or for some reason. A keeper and and all of a sudden you know feels like they might be getting a cold. Then they would also be wearing a mask at all times while they were on the line. To, girls are used to seeing keepers with their master not wondering what happened. Everybody's faces Do they get lonely given that there's so many fewer visitors? Here's what? I don't I mean they definitely noticed but I honestly don't think it affects them very much Our side of the routine is still the same. You know we're still feeding them. We're still doing everything on our end pretty normally. So I think they were kind of find with it. They don't miss us at all. They're totally cool there find. Okay. So even though we don't know for sure that guerrillas can get vis corona virus, but they probably can we did find another story about a time when a virus that usually infects? Jumped to guerrillas. It's actually a few times but critically one time in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight. So this time on side door, we bring you that story. The nineteen eighty-eight guerrilla epidemic how humans infected the wild mountain gorillas of Central Africa with the disease. So contagious, it threatened to wipe out the entire species that's coming up after the break. Let's go check out the main wolf. Was He the main wolf? Yeah they smell terrible. Okay. Can't get enough of side door. Well, there's more sign up for the side door newsletter to get behind the scenes content for each episode. There's so much more to our stories than we can fit into each episode. The newsletter is where CIDER producer Justin O'Neill, and I can share photos, videos, facts, and favorite moments that for whatever reason didn't make it into the podcast. You can also find links to articles and more specifics about the research being done here at the Smithsonian across the country and beyond. Sign up at SL. Dot Edu slash side door that's SL dot edu slash side door. If. You're enjoying side door. We'd like to introduce you to another podcast. We think you'd like coming to you from Pierre Ex and Wyoming public media. A new season of the modern west is out. Now, the stories will take you to the windswept prairie were old West Ghost town once stood and a new ghost town in the making were schools and businesses are closing fast. The modern West is exploring rural decline and resilience and asking why does it matter of America's small towns disappear search for the modern West wherever you get your podcasts. Okay let's start with the obvious guerillas are massive. Big Male can be well in excess of four hundred pounds. This is Craig Shelly I mean he's like a big linebacker He's as powerful as ten men today Shali vice president at the African Wildlife. Foundation. But in nineteen seventy-three, he was in the Peace Corps working in Zaire. Now, the Democratic Republic of Congo and that is where he first got a glimpse of these mountain dwelling linebackers today. It's not all that hard to meet a guerilla. If you have a lot of money but back in nineteen seventy-three gorilla tourism wasn't a thing yet is wild animal tourism was starting to take off in other parts of Africa the mountain gorilla experts thought they could appeal to the same set of adventurous and rich tourists. So one day in seventy three, a game warden asked Shali. If he'd help habituate a group of guerrillas, habituate means get them used to having people around step one to tourism. And effectively indicated that I'd be happy to be a Guinea pig. The idea is to find a distance that the wild gorillas are comfortable with, and then quietly work their way closer to the group. At the beginning of this process, the guerrillas tend to be nervous for the most part they've had no encounters with other great apes in particular human great apes and it's frightening for them. One famous story of Habituating Morillas was of Dian Fossey she's a guerilla research pioneer in the nineteen sixties she moved by herself to a volcano in Rwanda and through persistence and patience she ended up habituating a number of guerrilla groups. Fosse's story was told in the nineteen. eighty-eight movie gorillas in the mist Fosse's played by Sigourney Weaver, and there's one part in the movie that shows one of her earliest encounters learning about a guerrillas personal space. Here's what that sounded like. They're scared and lots of wrong inscribing lots of charges in the vegetation and a pretty invigorating experience. I'll say that sounds very exciting. The okay. You're adrenaline going the habituation process is slow. It can take more than a year until a group of guerrillas except having people nearby over the next decade more guerrilla groups were habituated and that habituation gave birth to mountain gorilla tourism because for every new habituated group that meant more tourists could hike into the forest and get close to some of the world's rarest apes and Charlie says from up close there's a lot to love about gorillas. A big beautiful great eighth than an elven guerillas in particular are are very, very majestic. They've got long black hair. They've got lovely features jolly was smitten by nineteen eighty eight. He was still working with guerrillas as director of the mountain gorillas project. It was a group that helped manage Rwanda's volcanoes national park. One of the few places on Earth at that mountain gorillas live in the wild. And why routine would be to go to park headquarters early in the morning Attach myself to a tourist group that was going out with guards and guides assigned to that guerilla group. I would spend the tourist time with them monitoring the Rollo's assessing health and behavioral status and all that kind of stuff. Essentially, it was up to Shali to make sure the guerrillas were healthy. His staff was doing its job and his growing groups of tourists were safe and happy in an average week. He'd visit every habituated gorilla group in the park, which means he spent hours in close quarters with more than one hundred guerrillas. He got to know them and they got used to him. It's the opportunity of a lifetime. Mediate. One of Shali big projects was to do a guerilla census. which is basically the same thing as human senses. But for guerrillas at the time, we didn't even know how many mountain gorillas there were. So every day he'd hike into the park count them watch quietly for a few hours and hike back to park headquarters guerrillas tend to live in these large family groups. So for Shali who knew each group and their habits, they were never that hard to find. A pretty predictable. Pattern throughout the day. Is Sleep throughout the night the and so in the early morning there in what is called night nest daylight the the silverback in particular is likely the first two rows and he's basically often feeding the rest of the group they'll follow and they will feed for a couple of hours they live in electrical a a big salad bowl. Did you say Salad? Bowl? I said that the forest is like a big salad bowl. Guerrillas have basically a diet that consists of probably seventy different plant species and they're selectively feeding as they go about their business in the fourth. Wash Allie was tallying the guerrillas. He also kept an eye on their health. He was used to guerrillas who are under the weather. Usually, it was typical sniffles are sneezes but in case a guerilla got very sick. The parkhead veterinarians on staff the mostly he just watched the gorillas eat and sleep mid morning. They will likely take a rest and so they'll build what are called nests. Girl. Asleep younger Hilas play but mostly they eat. Sounds like the life. Probably six o'clock as the sun is going down the bill, the night nest and starts all over again Mr calling my bed, my night nest. Absolutely. Not. Since Shali spent so much time with these age. They sort of became like an extended family and like everyone's family with goals and cool cousins Shali. Some favorites that he'd get excited to see he remembers this one three year old female named Cotto. Do very very well, she was a very, very interesting young and Albury social within the group and. Yet. She was a very special rule what mater special? I think basically the social interactions, it's not at all unusual for for young males within a group to be very very social I. Mean they're they're young, they're energetic. They're they're feeling their oats within the group As I recall was was a female who who had the personality of a lot of the young nails that especially during playtime she was right in the thick of things in terms of Interactions One day specifically February twenty Fourth Nineteen eighty-eight Shali and his team noticed cotto cough. He remembers it wasn't a normal tickle in your throat. It was more of a hack. Very harsh cough and it just was continuous on that particular day and as a result of that we determined that we would come back the next day to monitor and then as I recall. The call the subsequent a was. Much worse day after day Kato got. Sicker and she seemed very lethargic. She wasn't herself. If cotto had been a human living in human society, do you think that she would have her parent would call the doctor at that point? I think it probably would have raised a red flag to to mom and it's like, Hey, something. On here I need to watch this and that was basically the cue that we were given. After a few days, they took the extraordinary measure to pull cotto out of the forest. It's truly a measure of last resort. Guerillas are social animals in Charlie's team didn't want to break the hard one trust of the other guerrillas by being caught kidnapping, one of their family members, but they had no other choice. As the vets treated cotto in the clinic Shali in the park crew started hearing the same scary cough from more guerrillas in distant parts of the park we became more frightened. The research groups located in another part of the puck on they were also called then after a week of getting progressively sicker cotto died. So caught does death was the sort of. Moment, it was beyond the holy I mean it was hope we may. We may lose the only remaining population of Malcolm guerrillas in the world. I don't think I've been more frightening my life. Soon, after Cotto, a second guerrilla died a week later, a third died by the end of May, six guerrillas were dead and Shali had no answers all he knew whatever happened next there was not much time but before he could fix the problem, he had to figure out what the problem was. So coming up after a quick break from that Great Salad Bowl in the sky cotto. WEAVES ACLU. Love learning new things on side door here's something you might not know the Smithsonian relies on support from people like you to make all of the research discoveries, an exhibitions you hear about possible. Smithsonian experts are addressing critical issues in the field of science history art and culture issues that affect us all. And you can be a part of it. A lot of people listen to side door. Imagine what we could learn next if everyone chipped in just a little. Find out how at SL that you slash contribute? Okay. So in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eight, a three year old gorilla named Kato died from a mystery illness in the forests of Rwanda at the time guerrilla. Craig Shali was director of this group whose top priority was to make sure that mountain gorillas were happy munching playing and sleeping in their night nests. So. Inkatha died alarm bells started ringing and is director of the mountain gorilla. Project, Shali was feeling the pressure. It was immeasurable time. I, I don't think I've ever ever felt that kind of pressure in my entire life that's like having the power of medical attorney for an entire species. I I certainly don't want to relive that in my life. I mean I get it. Nobody wants to be the person in charge when all the mountain gorillas died. But Luckily, for Shali, he had a lot of support as this epidemic spread invisibly throughout the park a super group of veterinarians, primate disease experts, conservationists, and Rwandan government officials shared expertise over conference calls and fax machines to figure out what was going on with these gorillas when cotto and the other girls died veterinarians in Rwanda did a necropsy. That's what scientists an autopsy that's done on a non human animal. And they send tissue samples to Linda Lowenstein. She's retired now but in nineteen eighty eight, she was a professor who taught veterinary body at the university. Of California, Davis when I was also heavily involved in primate research at the California Regional Primate Research Center as one of the world's leading experts on disease in wild primates it was up to Lowenstein to figure out what had killed cotto and so then I was asked to do the pathology to look at the tissues collected from animals that died during the outbreak. Who It took a couple of weeks for catis tissue samples to get to her at the time, there wasn't really a way to get them from a remote volcano in Rwanda to Lowenstein Slab in California's central. Valley at least not easily. And at one point, some of the tissues actually came over in a diplomatic pouch. Diplomatic pouches like a magic bag that says, this is official US government business do not open me. Then they were hand carried on commercial flights. I think it was British Airways from Kigali to Nairobi to London to New, York to Denver and finally mailed to Lowenstein near Sacramento. All, the while guerrillas were coughing in the forest. But even before she had the tissue samples under her microscope, she had a few ideas about what might be going on. We assume because of the way it was moving that was probably viral. Allowed the viruses that affect the respiratory track 'cause pretty similar signs if you've seen any of the Cova lists of. Symptoms that we're seeing. Now they overlap with so many different things. So basically, these animals had runny eyes runny noses. Coughs. They were huddled. As if they had fever. When tissue samples finally reached Lowenstein Lab, she slid them under her microscope. Here's producer Justin O.`Neil again, he did this interview. So you get it under your microscope, what are you looking for in that tissue I? Guess it seems like the lung would have been the tissue of most concern to us to say, yes many of these diseases although they manifest in the respiratory tract, some of them are also systemic diseases. So, you really have to look at all the organs to get a clear picture of what might be the etiological agent. This is a pathologist way of saying, yes. The lungs of the most important but other organs can also give you clues about the identity of the etiological agent or the source of illness. You're like a detective at a crime scene where like You have the murder weapon rate here but you know you gotta look at the door handle or check the window or whatever. Yeah. Exactly. In this case. There were some changes that helped us narrow down what we thought the inciting agent laws. In this case, Lowenstein was pretty sure she was looking for a virus viruses cause rather specific kind of change usually in the lungs. So virus has sort of a unique look to yeah and unique pattern, and that's what is all about is identifying patterns. And so you look in these lungs you see this pattern that indicates it says Hey Linda I'm virus. What then So some arses leave footprints. So they were called inclusions. INKATA's Lung Tissue Linda saw two different viral footprints, one signs of a specific type of viral reproduction called inclusion bodies, the other small cells that fused together to make giant cells. In. Particularly Kato who was a young animal? In her lungs. Both giant cells and inclusion bodies. That were really suggestive of measles measles. There were signs of measles beyond the lungs to. Her when Ford. System was depleted. And, measles actually I attacks immune cells and then distributes to other parts of the body. So in measles retro signs don't appear until ten to fourteen days after the individuals I infected. And during that time the viruses wrecking havoc with the immune system. Lowenstein suspected measles but she needed confirmation the veterinarians in Rwanda had drawn condos blood. So Linda took a look at those too. She had fold increase in antibodies to measles which suggested an active infection. So that really made us feel much more strongly that what you're dealing with measles. Scale one to ten. How firm was your conviction that what we were looking at was measles. Oh probably a seven. And the question is, what do you do about it? You know? Measles is incredibly infectious is probably one of the most infectious agents known estimates vary, but someone infected with measles could be in a room leave and several hours later you walk into that room. Breathe deeply, and now you have the measles. People. Think. Oh measles measles serious disease. You know measles still causes hundreds of thousands of depths worldwide. We don't think much brought measles in this country anymore because it's pretty much been eradicated with Thaksin's. In one, thousand, thousand, eight. There was a measles vaccine, but it was designed for people not guerrillas because girls are so closely related to us. They are protected by some human vaccinations, but the veterinarians were afraid that the vaccine could harm the healthy guerrillas. They just didn't know what would happen. Meanwhile, Rwanda measles was spreading fast without a better plan. The Rwandan government decided. All right. Let's go for it will vaccinate them but guerrillas aren't just like little kids. You can hand dinosaur band-aid and allow pop after they get a big needle. This was a unique kind of vaccination program it involved. Craig. Shirley and his crew marching into the forest with dark guns. Now remember these gorillas are used to seeing. Shali but they're not used to seeing Shali tried to creep up on them with a DART gun. So we're trying to hide it behind our backs were finding it within about ten. Of a guerrilla waiting until the gorilla moves away from us. So we've got a clear but shot and killed. What God is available. We do our best. Game and. And get a pressurized art into the butt of a girl. They started by vaccinating eight young adult male gorillas after two weeks. There were no negative effects and they weren't sick. So they went ahead and vaccinated as many of the habituated gorillas as they could no upon. The the door will will basically inoculate the gorilla. The reaction was immediate. girl would would reach back read the dark prophet on the ground in either walk away nonchalantly or in most cases scream in guarding walk into the Bush. Oh Wow That does that sounds very unpleasant ticket shot in the butt with dart-gun. I don't think any of US enjoy darkening guerrillas in that particular regard because we knew that they they were not feeling good about. What happened Shelly says, the trick was to get close enough to dart one guerrilla without the others in the group reading the alarm did the guerrillas catch on over time when they saw the? Did words spread like here comes the dark guy don't show your but. Pretty much. So I mean. They. They communicate with each other. There's no question about it, and I think relatively quickly especially, if we were successful in terms of darting two or three individuals within a group in one day trying a third or a fourth guerrilla became more and more difficult because everybody seems to know what was going on. But after weeks hiking carefully concealing the dark gun, they managed to vaccinate against percentage of habituated gorillas in the area we successfully inoculated in excess of seventy guerrillas. Wow. That's a lot of guerrillas darted over a relatively brief period of time as we continued with the vaccination process, the coughing is appeared and there were no more deaths within the population. By September twenty third nineteen, eighty-eight, a great gorilla. Outbreak was declared over. The fast-moving vaccination program managed to save the rest of the guerrillas forty out of one, hundred, five guerrillas in the area showed symptoms of the measles. But thanks to the quick response. The only is to die where those who died at the beginning of the outbreak. But in order to prevent something like this from happening again, the mountain gorilla project spent a lot of time trying to figure out where this infection came from. I think it's it's unlikely that the measles outbreak came from international tourists on the other hand. During that period of time you you had poachers, you had villagers going into the forest to collect water to collect wood to harvest. Honey is all that kind of thing. It may have been as a result of one of those people defecating into the forest and. Guerrillas coming examining the equal material or something like that in the thirty years since this measles outbreak have been a few other instances of disease that started in humans and spilled over into gorillas but nothing with the destructive power of measles today one of the people who works on identifying and preventing these types of outbreaks is Don Zimmerman. My name is Don Zimmerman and I'm the director of Wildlife Health for Smithsonian's. Global Health Program Don focuses a lot of her work on one health. It sounds a bit Jargonese, but the idea is that the health of humans grilling and the forest are all linked. So people in the villages are sick. The guerillas are at risk to it's known that the communities human settlements along the national. Park are some of the densest in all of Africa some of the poorest in all of Africa. As. You see a lot of people relying on forest resources that go into the forest they're walking the same pass at guerillas are walking. Sometimes guerrillas come out of the park as well. So you have that very intense guerrilla human interface. This guerilla human overlap is unavoidable. You can't tell people just stay out of the forest when their survival depends on it, and since there are so many animals, plants and people in these forests there's a lot of opportunity for microbes to jump from one species to another. My biggest concern is is just the this region is a hot spot for emerging diseases these tropical places with high biodiversity in high human populations, and as such, you just have this kind of perfect. Storm for Disease Spillover. So not only again diseases coming from wildlife and people, but all of that reverse tzoanos says so people giving diseases to wildlife. There will always be an emerging disease risk for humans and wildlife in this part of the world. But Don says that guerrillas offer an opportunity that doesn't exist in other places through wildlife tourism, they bring in lots of money and this let's local people earn a living and it helps protect gorillas. Well, they have a veterinarian staff twenty, four seven to attend any illnesses or injuries that would caused their deaths, wild gorillas with. On call night or day these vets are the ones who will quickly recognize a new sickness in the guerrillas and if they follow, Zimmerman's one health model will then warn local human doctors about certain types of sicknesses if animal diseases are cropping up in medical professionals, don't know about it or if there's an outbreak of respiratory disease in village, very close to the park, but wildlife authorities don't know about it So possibly there's outbreaks going on each side but if they're not talking to each other, it's very, it's much more difficult to mitigate. It's it's quite probably the same disease going on and whether you know it's from the human side or the wildlife side doesn't matter. And this kind of monitoring works today, there are more than one thousand Mountain Guilles through the only great ape whose numbers are increasing in the wild. But experts still worry about them and us the death of cotto and a handful of mountain gorillas in. Rwanda, as well. Our current pandemic are painful reminders that the spread of disease is a two-way. Street. So sure today's extreme type of gorilla conservation is about protecting individual guerrillas. It's also about protecting forests and all the other animals that live in those forests, but just as much. It's about US and spotting new viral threats that could leave us vulnerable to another global pandemic. You've been listening to side doors a podcast from the Smithsonian with support from Pierre x this is our last episode of the season. We'll be back soon with a new season, but we're taking a short break to do research and put together some exciting news stories in the meantime. Can really help us out by leaving us a review in apple podcasts. It helps find our show and it's a little digital pat on the has it makes me feel good as I snuggled down my night. This. Episode we did a lot of interviews and we want to send a big time. Special. Thanks to Kirsten Gilardi amy bond and the entire guerrilla doctors team also John Bosco Zeh Lawrence Magee Shah Don Zimmerman Linda Lowenstein and her husband Craig Shirley, annelies Meier Jen's Zun Caroliina Powell and Meredith. Bastion. We got some great bonus content for this episode, a Ted talk about gorilla conservation a youtube link to gorillas in the mist and a Selfie of Justin. At the national. Zoo. All of that will be in our newsletter. You can subscribe at sl that edu slash side door. Are Wonderful Amazing Brilliant, podcast team is just an O.`Neil Natalie Boyd and cannon caitlyn Schaefer just Saad Cameo Neil and Sharon Bryant episode. Our work is by Greg fisk extra support comes from John Jason and Jenni at PR. Our show is mixed talk. Our theme song and other episode music are by Brake Master cylinder. If you WANNA sponsor our show please email sponsorship at r x dot Org I'm your host was EP body. Thanks for listening. See You. Next season. News. That much worse than in here in the house. IS A. There's a whole sign about it's like that's not a skunk. It's wealthier and oh no, let's go somewhere else.

Measles Rwanda Craig Shali Smithsonian Cotto Outbreak US producer Linda Lowenstein Kato director Justin O'Neill Shali cough Don Zimmerman Smithsonian National Zoo Charlie Pierre Ex Craig Shelly Caroliina Powell
Call of Duty Champs Kicks Off - All You Need to Know

The Esports Minute

03:18 min | 5 months ago

Call of Duty Champs Kicks Off - All You Need to Know

"Golly duty chance I'm dreams and the sports minute presented by sports network. Now, normally, this show folks on the business side of vs sports. So before I jump into call duty chance, let's highlight leave multi year deal with Cisco. The Multinational Tech Company will take charge of the online plainfield for the of legends international events starting with world's this fall. This is a big for Cisco. They will have a tough challenge as any technical blip in the most watched east sports event in the world will Shirley caused controversy Now let's nerd out about champs. It's the first year call of Duty Champs under the banner, and it's been a bit of rocky road the League switch from twitch to Youtube. Every player was a free agent and every team name besides phase and optic, which is a whole other can of worms change to completely new branding. Then the pandemic which complicated things even more after a hate is moving to online play the came back in announced a new format. Again, this was controversial here's the new format works the bottom four of the twelve teams start in loser's bracket. But under the original format, they would have missed the playoffs entirely. The winner's bracket with the benefit of being double elimination sees eighteen but the three and four seeds get one by and the one and two seeds get to buys to start the competition that means a one or two seed will only need to win three matches to be crowned chance. That's a long way away from what people are used to. He was six matches to win chance in the CWL. As I write this the first game Pairs Legion Seattle surge is about midway through and it looks like the leader going to take the win after them not heck's his up to gaming. We'll compete against the Los Angeles Gorilla on. August. Twentieth the real matches begin with the rocker taking on the subway riders, Toronto Ultra taking on the Royal Ravens each weekday. So August Nineteenth Twentieth and twenty, I have two matches the weekend will see four each day. Then the following weekend August twenty ninth and thirtieth chance finishes up with the champion weekend. I'm watching for a few things. Notably sponsor integration sponsors for the CDL have missed out on a lot of branding that would have come with all the in person events and I've already heard grub hub mentioned by the broadcasters really trying to make sure those brand names come up often especially in the broadcast. Then I'm also looking for any hiccups in online connections is going to be a huge issue. With the massive tax cuts with a lot of money on the line hiccups, an online connection caused a huge controversy and then finally viewership this is going to be a big moment for teams pay around twenty million dollars spots in the league, and while the season didn't go as planned due to unforeseeable reasons, chancellorship will be an important watermark for the League's future success. That's it. For this episode of these forts minute I wanNA finish up on a quick note about Gamer. You may have heard of sports networks new show hosted by Chris Puckett from Reuters do Yo- in New York City. We're super excited the show which will see Puckett interview celebs gamers about. And Gaming. We have some athletes already lined up for the show and there's some really big names but we're looking for celebrities in the world of comedy music and acting if you fit that bill thank you for listening to these sports minute or if you know anyone who might be interested in being on the show, please you're out to eat sports network CEO, Mark Timoc using the email in the bio of this podcast. As always I'll be back tomorrow with the biggest story of the day in just a few minutes.

Chris Puckett Cisco Golly Nineteenth Twentieth Multinational Tech Company Youtube Los Angeles Gorilla Seattle Shirley CEO New York City Toronto Ultra Mark Timoc Reuters Ravens twenty million dollars
Go, Go, Gorilla Doll

The Good News Podcast

04:17 min | 5 months ago

Go, Go, Gorilla Doll

"I. I, I'm neil the host of the good news podcast. This is your source for good news, Fun Stories, and Sonic showing all of this goodness is coming to you from Beautiful Chicago Illinois. Girls I think they're demonstrating and a little bit fred well, all monkeys are. Okay maybe we've talked about just primates. Close to people, but they're not, yes I want to tell you a tale to hopefully change your perception of at least one guerrilla. Okay. I would like to tell you about Toumani. Too many as a thirteen year old Western lowland gorilla Ken and she is pregnant. And because she's in a zoo, she needs to get like some baby classes in and primarily what that means is that she's walking around with a baby doll. Sulaimaniyah has a baby doll. Even though grill are like humans, the doll really isn't very human. It is essentially a length of hose. With smaller pieces of has pulled off to the side because Toumani so sprung any like normal doll would just get ripped apart sure share Toumani has essentially a stuffed fire hose. To walk, around with. To get her ready to have a little baby. So. Tomorrow is a Western Wall in guerrilla the gas is that there are about three hundred and sixty two thousand in the wild cancel that that's seems like a pretty high number but that number is decreasing year-over-year Zaveri Important Moment for the Western lowland gorillas and I want to ask you. If you were to design a baby doll. For an animal. What animal would be and what was the baby dollar? Wow This before I'm sure you. City of first date. Question. Yeah Oh. Yeah. Well, you can do a lot by person I. Think I mean the only animals that I really know enough to answer this question I think our dogs short workout I'm GonNa Dogs Yeah. So I think I'd like it to be a dog eat train a puppy training for the doggies and because dogs are also very strong and they can like pick something up with their mother they shake it. Yeah. So it shouldn't be able to follow part that easily me. Like a Yoga Block. Court Yoga Block. But it's shaped like a puppy. Yup take a cookie cutter of a puppy and push it through a yoga block her. Yeah. It's kind of funny I would have never known that they have to train lung 'cause like if they're not in the wild, they don't get to see your Rolla. Yeah. She's not learning from an example I guess is the problem. Yeah I think that I mean I'm by no means an expert but I imagine that's true of a lot of natural behaviors. Get people to watch. She doesn't know how to hunt for food certainly. Not. Just give up. I was also thinking about the equivalent for humans. Sometimes, you're given a bag of flour. Yeah. Keep. Unbroken we had to drop egg from like. Think Hey let's not A. Physically. But in my mind it was. Thanks for listening if you've got good news or. For the show. Amazing. Send an email to hello at the good news podcast DOT FM while you're at it, follow us on twitter at the good news. If you love the show, think about supporting our patriotic or reviewing US wherever you're getting this podcast from both are great. The music you here on the show from potting bear have a great day.

Court Yoga Block Toumani Illinois twitter US Sulaimaniyah Ken Rolla thirteen year
Episode 96T __800lbs Gorilla

voiceFirst careers

00:59 min | 5 months ago

Episode 96T __800lbs Gorilla

"Hey. I got an idea. Let's talk about the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room. Good morning it's morning somewhere. Right? It is host Jeff Ski. Kinsey. On the founder of Voice First Careers It's also the website voice, I dot careers, and this is. Ninety six t tango as in talent or you talented, are you looking for work? was eight hundred pound gorilla in the room. You keep doing the same thing. Over and over expecting different results. That's the definition of insanity. Please stop sending your resume. Your resume is shooting yourself in the foot. It's broke. The hiring process is broke, and the resume is the number one bottleneck. Don't take my word for it. CHECK IT OUT And that we know what you find.

Jeff Ski Kinsey founder eight hundred pound
Gorilla Fight

Best of The Steve Harvey Morning Show

03:27 min | 6 months ago

Gorilla Fight

"All right in trending animal news guerrilla got into a nasty nasty fight with its sibling at a zoo as a safety precaution. The doctors gave him a corona virus test. The grill is Shane, yeah. The guerrillas name Shaneco. He's at thirty, one, thirty, one year, old, four, hundred and thirty three pound lowland gorilla. Who lives at the Miami's zoo an earlier this week. He got into a fight with his brother Barney. Suffering some injuries in the process Shenge was bitten and scratched up so to be safe. They got him corona test. A team of vets put Shangri under to do the coronas test. As far as the covert tests goes the hair putting Monday I. Bet they walk into. Singled and bidding. They're getting his ASS whooped. With needle. Stick this thing of your nose? Yeah, shingle would a wo- Yo ass. But when you think Sangha would've been tough gorilla with a name like. Barney you let your brother Barnaby Chew. I need to get George. Go see buddies his daddy because he. As. Far as the Cova test bombing, he mad though yeah rather gets a cold a shingles. Bonnie Watson. Bond if it were SHANECO way. Did! Test results. They got a a nasal swab. They did a nasal swab. They don't have the test results, but they did. Give him a ticket. While when he was out. Law. Gorilla, knows! Has It'd be on other side monkey run. Guerrilla sound town. You came when you get cova. Lot when he? G, K. KHURANA tests for guerrilla, but that's what Donald Trump said. We have so many cases. Because we do so meaning. If, he knows he talks to the other nations and then not testing as much as man man he sold. This due to so wrong on so many lows. There's just ignore stuff say we have most MO- cases 'cause we do more tested. No, we have more cases because most people got it. And some people still refuse to where they're mass, they do and social distance as well, and they're still going to the club Yep. Still Party and making wearing a mask a political thing. Public Health Christ. They're making it a racial thing all of that. Yeah Party political. Coming up, it's our last break of the day. Hey Jada will the you won't let in. Show Those are friends. And we'll. What? Day. All right, we'll have his closing remarks coming up at forty nine minutes after right after this you're listening to. Party morning show.

Donald Trump Barney Cova Shane Shenge Miami Barnaby Chew Bonnie Watson Jada K. KHURANA MO George forty nine minutes thirty three pound one year
Jamie Gorelick on Merrick Garland and the Justice Department Team

The Lawfare Podcast

40:16 min | 6 d ago

Jamie Gorelick on Merrick Garland and the Justice Department Team

"This is the signal reason that merrick garland wanted to become attorney general and was willing to give up his position on the dc circuit. We know men many people who have been hanging on by their fingernails waiting for this administration to end so that the department can be returned to its roots abundantly in the speeches of president-elect the vice president-elect americo and lisa monaco everyone who spoke when the nominations were made formal. That's the job in the very first instance. That is the job. I'm benjamin wittes. And this is the law. Fair podcast january eleventh 2021. Jamie grellet was deputy attorney general under bill clinton and attorney general janet reno in that capacity she hired as her top aide and adjutant one merrick garland. This was before merrick garland became a dc circuit judge but it was a fateful period for the department. A lot happened the city bombing for example after which jamie golic sent merrick garland to oklahoma to supervise the investigation and resulting prosecution. Grellet joined me in the virtual jungle studio to talk about history at the department. His selection as attorney general and the team that will surround him. It's the law fair. Podcast january eleventh. Jaime gorilla on merrick garland and the justice department team. So jamie i wanna start with. Un merrick garland go way way back. And when i first met you both you were deputy attorney general and he was your kind of his title was principal associate deputy but everybody had a thought of him as jamie guerrilla right hand. How did you come to know. Merrick garland and how did he come to be working for you. At the justice department american. I had known each other since college. We met on a committee to which we were both appointed. I as a junior and he is a freshman to look at various issues relating to undergraduate life. And it won't surprise you ben that i was crusading for equal rights for women In the university and particularly in the college on things as diverse as eligibility for fellowships and eligibility for football tickets and merrick was the best supporter. You could've wanted. He was My wing man and was wonderful in those in those arguments most of which many of which i lost but the the fight continued in eventually was one and so this was obviously significantly before you came to the justice department. How did he end up as your principal. Associate when you were deputy but we stayed friends between college and nineteen ninety four when i got to the justice department and you know we were just personal friends and our families were friends And we always wanted to work together in. There just wasn't an opportunity. So when i was putting together the confirmation process for for janet reno i asked merrick to help with a substantive briefings of the attorney general. She got to know him right away and saw how terrific he was. He was a key player at the department in the criminal. Division for that for sheer when i was general counsel over at dod. And then when i was brought over to justice to serve as deputy j. the most obvious thing to me particularly since he'd been there for that intervening year and he was terrific as i knew him to be was to ask him to be my my pay check. So i don't mean to speak ill of janet reno whom As you know high regard for but it was had. I don't think it's speaking ill of the departed to say that she had a tendency toward micromanagement. And that one of the things that you and merrick had to do in the period in which you were deputy was to kind of have a management layer so that she wasn't focused on the details of every brief that was filed anywhere in the department is that is that too much of a. Is that an exaggeration. Or is that a fair characterization. She knew herself that. The management of the department was off a wind. She and her then. Deputy fell hyman parted ways. And she called me to ask me if i would consider coming from defense to justice and i loved being at defense I asked her what what was wrong. What happened and she said in essence. Both of us wanted to be attorney general. I need somebody to run the place. Because i am not feeling free to be the ultimate decision maker. Because i don't i don't feel that the rest of the department is being run now. She knew her own tendencies. And there were some actually humorous aspects to those sentences but it also was true. That phil i also spoke with felt that his most important contributions would be at the policy level and frankly that department is so sprawling and so horizontal that it absolutely needs a deputy a who can run it and serve up cleanly to the a g the decisions that Only the ag should be making so one of the reasons. I wanted to talk to you today. About merrick is that he takes over that is in crisis and the diminshed. The full dimensions of that crisis are itself pretty sprawling any has extremely deep experience with that department but it isn't recent experience and you and he were there at the very beginning of this pivot. The department has taken to becoming a real national security component although it always had elements of that but you know that process has had twenty five years when he's been on the bench to or twenty years while he's been on the bench to mature and so i'm interested for your thoughts on you know if if you were to go back to the department or for him to go to the department now. How's it different from the way it was when you guys were there well let me say a couple of things to be sure. It is different. I personally have stayed involved in the national security community. I've served on the defense policy board and On the as advisory panel alternate intervening. Twenty-three years but merrick as you point out at has not. He's been doing other very important things but he hasn't done that. The good news is that an ag and a deputy to be complementary and you couldn't have a better a deputy g. in terms of experience with the national security environment. I mean lisa. Monaco not only served as head of the national security. Division also served At the fbi and then was the key player in the national security council on On terrorism issues. So i don't have any worry about. This mean when i came from defense to justice in one thousand nine hundred ninety four the That ag janet reno asked me to make sure that the department of justice was connected with the national security agencies. Which i which. I did i set up the first office within the deputy attorney. General's office for that purpose. Recognizing that a reno's predecessor. The recently departed. Dick thornburg had tried unsuccessfully to get congress to allow him to have an assistant attorney general in essence for national security. So we couldn't do that. We did the next best thing. So the departments been on a journey since then. I don't have any worry about a barracks and leases ability to get their arms around these issues. So i'm i remember quite nicely as a young reporter legal times when the oklahoma city bombing happened and you dispatched merrick to oklahoma city effectively to run the response talk about the role that he played. Starting the moment the bomb went off. We were together watching what was happening on television and trying to reach our own departmental resources and oklahoma city many of whom were in the murrah building which had just been blown up and the marshalls had an office there already number of doj agencies where they are our main source of information indeed. Was the us attorney's office which was not there and we were watching this in absolute horror and merrick. Both of us had children and you could see first responders carrying out dead and wounded children from the daycare center. That was in the mirror building and it was horrible and You say i dispatched him. That is technically true. But he said i have to go. That's interesting so describe the role that he played there. I mean it was both an investing. He was there was kind of an investigative component to it because he was there before thinking there before the charges were filed right way before he went right away at got there. I can't remember which day post bombing but it was very soon thereafter Had some people on the ground we had the fbi there in enforce that set up a command center. We had a key person from the executive office for you as the tories had gone out. Right away but merrick was there to make sure that the investigation was done right That we caught the perpetrators and that we prosecuted them in a way that would be a model for justice in america. You have to remember that. This came not long after the oj. Simpson trial which made a mockery of of prosecutions. It was a joke all over the country and given the importance of this event. We wanted to make sure that our justice system which would be on trial itself was a model and so mark had That was his most important job. Make sure that we apprehended these people who had who had done this horrific act and prosecute them in a way. That would be my word bulletproof. That was his number one job part of that job. Involved working cooperatively with the treasury department assets that were on the ground treasury owned The atf at the time. The model state and local first responders and law enforcement the state government of oklahoma city. The city government. I mean was in addition to everything else a massive diplomatic job now. I helped Home i will. I was on the phone regularly with a lot of those same players but he was on the frontlines. I cannot imagine a better preparation for being attorney general in a situation of a significant terrorist or national security event. Then that i mean obviously it would be different. If it were an international incident it would be different in character if it were a cyber incident. But there's something about the experience of having to think through the investigative equities the prosecutorial equities the other equities and also the oj simpson equities. Which is to say you know. How do you do it in a way. That's going to not merely stand up in court but be seen to stand up in court. you know. there's a lot of the post nine eleven problems that are kind of embedded in that in that experience. Yeah totally you know. I didn't even mention the number of us attorneys offices that were involved ahead competing claims if you will as the state law enforcement in oklahoma tried to get custody of one of the defendants we had to were very hard with each of the Let's just call him stakeholders we had a massive fbi investigation that crossed jurisdictions All over the country. So i would say that this experience was a good training for but also really shows his his incredible straits. I mean he brought a combination of expertise and passion to this. That just made you proud. So i wanna skip over his entire judicial career. Not not not because it's not important or for most people's purposes the principle thing you know it's the principle thing about which people talk to him but because it's actually less relevant to running the justice department. Can i say one thing about that. I do think that one of the things that the president and the vice-president get in mira garland is someone who is revered within the judiciary. Yes and highly respected by are judges and justices appointed by both parties. I think that when he Decides on a course of action in the courts. He will bring his own credibility to the justice department's positions and at no small thing. I agree with that completely. It was one of the one of the reasons that i was. I think i'm the first person to have publicly suggested this course for the president and the president-elect back before the election that was one of the things that was very much on my mind like who could be the ed levy of our time and and his judicial career is a big part of that and just two foot stomp your point about the reverence with which he is held among colleagues on the bench. I'm i'm at liberty to tell this story because unfortunately judge williams Passed away of covid earlier this year but judge stephen williams who was one of america's colleagues on the dc circuit told me that at the time that he returned to the core after he was then chief judge after his two thousand sixteen nomination and he came back into a a conference. A lunch of the of the judges and there was a sort of impromptu standing ovation for him all of the setting and senior judges of party. And so i i do. Think you know the Litigation posture of the united states is is is a different matter. If it's in the hands of somebody who judges have worked with and really respect and like and trust as an as a matter of sort of personal integrity. I mean that's consistent with everything. I have ever heard if if i could add just a little bit too. That Larry silverman and i were were ready as soon as merrick was renominated for the supreme court by hillary clinton to storm the capital and dry to convince people of both parties senators in both parties to confirm him. You know larry was as fiercely in in merrick's corner. As as i was and i know that you know we've seen wonderful comments about merrick from Justice cavanaugh and justice robertson. Others with whom he has served but anyway. I just wanted ben not too fast over to a quickly judicial career. I completely agree with you. I wanna talk about. Some of the challenges is going to face and you know people. I have gotten inured to hearing folks like me talk about the degree of crisis in the department but i can't think of a time certainly not in in the post watergate era in which an attorney general will get confirmed will have a sought simultaneously a sort of unfolding. National security is pair of national security incidents in the storming of the capital and in the solar winds Situation combined with a really gross loss of loss of confidence in the part of both courts and the public in the way the department has conducted itself. And so i'm i'm just interested in your thoughts as somebody who's been deputy attorney general. How would you scope the problem. That merrick garland and lisa. Monaco are going to face on day one when they take over the department. This is the signal reason. That merrick garland wanted to become attorney general and was willing to give up his position on the dc circuit. We know many many people who have been hanging on by their fingernails waiting for this administration to end so that the department can be returned to its roots. And you heard that abundantly in the speeches of the president-elect vice president-elect america or lisa monaco everyone who spoke when the nominations were made formal. That's the job in the very first census. That is the job. How do you do it. You do it by making decisions based on the facts and the law you do it by returning to the norms by which are under which the department has been operating for decades with with the The exception of of recent times. And you do it in your in what you say in your external communications I expect that you'll hear quite a bit of this from merrick in his confirmation hearing my principal. Worry for him. Is that the times are so polarized that it is impossible even for somebody who actually has a legitimate claim to be on above politics figure to be one that the that the jim jordan's of the world will announce in a kind of malicious about dick said in. Yeah three four weeks from now. That merrick garland is the most partisan attorney general in american history and that Fox news will pick that up and you know it's not a say it three times in. It's true thing but it is a say at three hundred times and it's true for forty percent of the electorate thing and i. I'm curious whether you think the the norms of the justice department and standing by them and being prepared to defend in public in a serious way the consistency with the way we've traditionally expected the justice department to behave whether that is actually enough in this environment to not merely keep the department political but to keep the department or a political in the sense that it is traditionally a political but to actually convince people that it is so so. I have three comments about that number one. There are many people within the incoming administration who revere the justice department. And who will speak for it. Ron clain served with us. He was chief of staff to the attorney general for part of our tenure and he knows this issue really really well and there are a number of other people in senior staff positions who are similarly reverential about the department and then of course. There is the president-elect himself. I mean the sanctity of the department of justice the necessity for it to play the independent role that president-elect biden as articulated both in the campaign and in nominating miracle orlin key knows this and it is a key hard of why he ran for office. So i expect lots of support coming from that end of pennsylvania avenue and then there are. Many people who are either former federal prosecutors were former state prosecutors. Who can articulate this as well. I expect to hear from dick blumenthal. I expect to hear from amy klobuchar. I expect to hear from scholem white house. I expect to hear from people like cory booker and others. Who know the department and know the role that it needs to play they. They will be fierce defenders because they saw what happened. When those norms were broken reestablishing nerves. Hard yet really with you bans that you know There will be ruthless and unprincipled attacks on on merrick garland lisa monaco and the entire center for people who have been nominated in dispatched to the department of justice. But the rest of us need to speak up And i certainly intend to what i know. Many others will well as you have things to right. We of course hope you will write them off air. But i'm i want to talk about the other members of the team who were announced yesterday. Some of whom are more more relevant to a national security oriented legal site than others. But i do think for reasons. I'll describe there. They're all we're talking about a little bit. So let's start with lisa monaco. Who is pretty well known to the law fair reading and listening community. I i said on twitter. The other day Pretty much exactly what you just said about her. Which is that if you. It's very hard to imagine somebody who's particular skill set at this stage and particular expertise more perfectly complements merrick specifically with the recent the recent very granular and very diverse national security experience both at the department and in the interagency process through the white house. And you know people forget this about lisa that she was bob muller chief of staff at the bureau and therefore you know has some investigative agency experienced. That's pretty rare. Actually among national security legal practitioners. I'm curious i mean you've said some nice things about her earlier today. I'm curious for your sense of how deliberate this sort of complementarity of their backgrounds. Laws on the part of the president-elect and his team it was very conscious. Lisa has played a role in the transition. That has been very very helpful. I think the president-elect knows for well both from her tenure in the white house but also from her work in the in the transition and from my discussions with the people who were making these decisions they are the two of them were viewed as highly complimentary. May i have said about lisa that. She has said at many of the relevant seats around the table. I got to know her when she was chief of staff to to janet reno So she's worked at the top of the requirements she's worked for muller and you couldn't have had a better tutor in in the workings of law enforcement than bob nor better model. You know her work in a what was then a reasonably nascent. National security division is very important and then of course will work in the white house if you look right now at the threats to our country. They are at the seams. They are at at the scene of domestic terrorism and criminal prosecution. They are at the seams of foreign threats and domestic threats if you look at The solar winds matter. I think what we will find. Is that our foreign enemies have realized that we have different rules for the surveillance and counterattack threats. That are outside the united states than we do for those that are inside and they managed to attack us from the outside from the inside. And we're gonna see similar issues surrounding the the john the capital they are. They're tremendously complimented and they will be really their work well together. I mean merrick. Sued model is the model of you know reno in relic in which the dag is playing. The inside game is looking. The department is making sure that issues that could nip up invite. You are identified early and addressed well. Lisa has both a knowledge of the department and importantly the temperament to do this. Because this job the deputy attorney general's job requires if you do it well to make hard decisions pretty much every fifteen minutes. I think that point is so important. And i think people who are not intimate with the department as an institution won't intuit how big a difference it is from the way things have operated for the last at least the last couple of years where the deputy attorney general has been a. I don't know how to say this politely. May be something of a non entity in the attorney. General has been a immensely powerful personality. Whose reaching down into you know. Line level individual cases in order to second. Guess the department's position that is an extraordinary thing and it is not the way the department should work right. So the way. Ben the department should work in my view to operate at its best is for the deputy attorney general to ensure that decision making with respect to issues that either are ordinarily coming up to the deputy and a g or those. That really should come up to them are addressed fully by all the different relevant voices within the department being her and decisions taken with all of those considerations in mind. If you do it right many of the things would otherwise go to the g. are dealt with at the deputy ag level because once you get all the voices around the table decisions are either self evident. That is once. I goes away or the decision can be made readily by the deputy g. There are big things that need to be done. Those big things cannot be done if the ag is nibble by ducks and it will be lease job to make sure the ducks are in order. And i think she will be. She will be graded that. I i would just point out that. The department of justice is as horizontal organization as you will see anywhere let alone in government. I came to justice from defense which is very vertical. Just the deputy attorney. General has oversight of all ninety three us attorneys offices all the marshalls all the investigative agencies. Like the fbi the bureau of prisons and all manner of grant making and other functions. And all the litigating divisions of the department the only intermediary set of oversight processes are that associate attorney general at least traditionally has had oversight in the first instance of the civil litigating divisions and some of the and some of the grant making but that is a huge span of control and one of the reasons that i had. Merrick garland seth waxman. David ogden people who were my peers in essence as my deputies is because i knew that i could not myself make every single decision in a timely way and i you know i'll be speaking with lisa about this Shortly but i think that she is going to need to have serious serious deputies. Who can say. This is what lisa wants and mean it and she is also been one of those deputies in the deputies office at the beginning of the obama administration before she went to. Ns she was the person in the deputies office. Who you know kind of oversaw and asked us sushi. I think has a certain savvy about the way as does merrick about the way the deputies office functions right. Yes i agree. Normally i would say hey the associate attorney general and the head of the civil rights. Division are kind of beyond the scope of law fares traditional concerns. But i think the last few years of matters related to police violence and frankly election integrity and voter suppression have given rise to them as more within our more within our journalists diction than we thought of them in past and i'm a and in that context the other two members of the justice department team announced yesterday. Vanita gupta for for associate attorney. General and kristen clark at the civil rights division seemed to me important to talk about two. They both come from rather different worlds than lisa and merrick in terms of their other. Both civil rights lawyers And yet there seems to be at least in my judgment a real coherence to what the president-elect seems to be trying to do here. What are your thoughts on the two of them. Well i ben. I'm not gonna comment on the welfare jurisdiction. Well the law jurisdiction is subject to my unreviewable discretion. I would just say historically we've thought we've always thought of national security law. Pretty broadly but only recently have. I thought you know. Hey we should be thinking seriously about local policing issues in so far as a lot of people are being shot and this year the ability to hold on election in the context of a pandemic has really forced us to think about election law including including a whole series of voting rights issues. In a way that we've never thought of it as within low fares ambient before so let let me make a couple of fbi director. Chris wray has identified. Domestic terrorism is one of the great threats to our country. So if you're just looking at. What are the national security threats to the united states you have to include domestic terrorism of the sort that we saw this week. Yup you have to include the ability to hold an election whether the threat comes from russian interference or the efforts in essence to destabilise de legitimize. Our election processes. I've worked with a vanita gupta when she was acting a assistant. Ag in the civil rights division and since she is a very serious thoughtful person she knows that apartment well and she is absolutely one hundred percent committed to civil rights no she will have other issues within her domain but she is going to make sure that the civil rights agenda is front and center christian clark is a pro and she is as passionate about these issues as you would expect her to be so i think that's a pretty dynamic duo also think that this is going to be front and center for america. Arlington lisa monaco. They know how important these issues are to the sense of wellbeing in this country to our most important values. Both of them spoke themselves to this in their Remarks accepting their nominations. And so i think this is going to be a very dynamic team and if you look at the interests of the united states and the values that are embedded in the department of justice. This is a team that will protect us from the most heinous attacks that we have experienced as a country and advance the cause of civil rights. Jamie gorilla it's great to talk to you and thanks so much for joining us while you're welcome bed. I'm i'm glad to be here. And i'm glad to know that you are the place to go to. I want to challenge the limited jurisdiction of warfare. Please do although as i said. It requires no challenge at this point. We're we're to the extent that the jurisdiction was too narrow it is broadening every day. that's a good coda. thank you. Thank you the law fair. Podcast is produced in cooperation with the brookings institution our audio engineer. This episode is ian right of goat. Rodeo you should do your part to promote the law. Fair podcast tweet. Us share us on facebook and twitter rate us and review us in whatever podcast distribution service. You found us on. Our merch is available at the law. Fair store dot com the law. Fair podcast is produced and edited by gender. Paci on our music is performed by sophia yan and as always thanks for listening.

merrick garland merrick justice department janet reno lisa monaco oklahoma city elect americo benjamin wittes fbi Jamie grellet jamie golic Grellet Jaime gorilla jamie guerrilla lisa Us national security community national security environment national security agencies Dick thornburg
King Kong (2005)

Now Playing - The Movie Review Podcast

2:04:45 hr | 11 months ago

King Kong (2005)

"Did you ever hear of calm south native superstition God or a spirit or something? Anyway neither be snowman. Something monstrous all power. Still living still holding that island in a grip deadly fear forever. Legend has a basis of truth. Welcome to now. Playings King Kong retrospective series offering venture famous first lifetime in a long sea voyage. Well I don't see how you can be amused by guerrillas. Your dull this when sixty feet tall. What do you think him? Exte- feed that's right. This is com- strongest living creature. Honor hosted by Stuart. I was just afraid that you might be one so self obsessed literate types the tweety tour with his nose in his book Jacob. I'm on the level. Oh honeyman trust me and keep agenda and Arnie. We are just one big happy family. This podcast may contain detailed plot. Spoilers and mild language he shoots listener discretion advised. That man is game. We hope you enjoy the show. Lights cameras call today. We're discussing. King Call starring Naomi. Watts Jack Black Adrian. Brodie Thomas Kretschmer Colin. Hanks Jamie Bell. Evan Parke Lobo Chan Kyle Chandler and Andy Circus directed by Peter Jackson. This is the now playing coast. Do sitting on top of the World Arnie Stewart. I'm just a podcast or with a gun. Who's lost his motivation. This Jacob at last a King Kong movie May by Universal Studios. They owned him for decades and did nothing but bill does animatronic rides. King Kong encounter in summer of Nineteen eighty-six confrontation in one thousand. Nine hundred ninety. They weren't interested in a movie. Why would you need a revive that old thing and then they may drastic park and the whole disaster movie explosion happened in the nineties. All over again. Suddenly we had the White House being blown up by aliens. Giant meter coming volcano in downtown. La Oh hate that one J. Lo got eaten by an Anaconda love that one but you know why not call? Khong another form of that. It had been ten years since King Kong lives. Everyone's forgotten how awful it was. We have a script already Bo. Goldman's script is lying around from nine hundred seventy six. All we need is a director and we got this Guy Peter Jackson. He supposed to be the next thing genre film making. He's making a low ghost. Movie called frighteners for us. Maybe he's the perfect guy for reviving call. That obviously didn't happen because he did the frighteners and then he spent a decade in middle earth. Yes he was signed on. They said yes took some doing i. They actually offered him creature from the Black Lagoon. They were like do that one. He's like. There's nothing that and that reboot is never happened. They've never I read made that creature. I think he loses his monster status right at this point. That one's just not as good as Frankenstein and Dracula. It's a cool design. But what does he do? He just swims the backstroke. They're starting the universal monster thing again. Sold off the invisible man to blunt house. Yeah that's why they're doing the invisible woman themselves. Wow give up. He failed twice. Tom Cruise is not going to be the mummy ever again. No so I listen at some point. They're going to have rebooted them. All in the black lagoons go start looking pretty welcoming okay. Well Jackson said absolutely no two black lagoon and they said Khong and he actually had to pause because it was his favorite movie. It's to him. What Star Wars is to genetics or probably Lord of the Rings is millennials? It was like all when I saw that I realized what movie making was and I wanted to be part of it Jackson. You know we've talked about it. And we've covered Lord of the Rings. We covered hobby. And aren't you even covered the frighteners in our book? He was a very different kind of filmmaker prior to any of those films. I think that when we talk of Him we think of being this big illustrious Special Effects Guy. Nope meet the feebles will always be close to my heart has X. rated muppet movie. Yeah yeah he started in some really like Sam. Raimi's scatalogical horror comedy low-budget stuff. They're back in New Zealand to put it in perspective. The frighteners was supposed to be a tales from the crypt movie like Demon Knight and Bordello blood and because Bordello. Blood didn't do very well. They just made it a stand alone. But that's horror comedy that's light hearted. That's not a four hour epic right. You know it's interesting. He didn't even really want to be a film director or screenwriter. He wanted to be a special effects guy so yeah he cobbled together what he could cause wet. It didn't exist down under and so yeah. He made these movies where people disappeared and got eaten by their mothers Vagina. And puppets had sex with one another and all the scatalogical stuff and then it changed for him. He ended up writing about true crime that happened in New Zealand. Called heavenly creatures and it really blew up for him and his leading lady. Kate winslet it got Peter Jackson his first Oscar nomination for screenplay and it also Got Kate. Winslet titanic so it is this steppingstone movie that. I think changed him. From being the scatalogical horror comedy guy into somebody that would make big lavish ethics and all of that but yes frighteners in between and frighteners at the point that they green lit King Kong hat and come out yet. The reason why they didn't make Peter Jackson's Cong- back in nineteen ninety-seven is when frighteners came out. It was kind of flop and the script that he produced was kind of big. I mean it was going to be very expensive and different in the movie. We're here to talk about now. It wasn't like he wrote the film that were here for his conception originally was raiders of the lost Ark. Why did he was going to do was have George? Clooney Played Jack the down on his luck World War Two flying ace who joins an archeological dig and dig is being conducted by some famed old anthropologist and his lovely blonde daughter and played by Kate. Winslet she would come back and work with Peter Jackson again and then Robert Deniro was the documentary filmmaker. Carl Denham that was recording their Dick. And so really. They were going around finding relics. And all of this and would be about them unearthing. The loss religion of an eight God which had spread throughout the South Pacific until more traditional religions kind of suppressed Khan Colt and they had the proof. And some of these suppressors came and kill the archaeologist. You get it. It's all raiders of the lost Ark Stuff and Cong- much more of the Ark of the covenant. They eventually find the map. And they're like we gotta go fine this and they're building more to that climax and you really don't know what is going to be like but yeah they eventually get him they get him even to the Empire State Building and Jack rather than firing on him gets on a plane and protects Gong when other planes come to shoot at him because he was a World War One as he actually shoots down the planes that were going to shoot down Kong so different movie and lots of different ways different and spirit different Cong- design and a movie that universal decided. It wasn't worth the price tag and we're very grateful for when sister film Godzilla With Matthew. Broderick came out and bomb. I'm going to say before. This podcast is over Peter Jackson. We'll have revisited that ending. No okay well. At any rate just Jackson probably more than anyone is grateful. They said no to him because what it meant was. He turned and shopped his other idea. Those token books and tried to find somebody to fund that and of course the rest is history. Their new line bitch. They made all three back to back. It became enormous cultural. Phenomenons made him tons of money all of the Oscars and so in two thousand and three. He is able to do whatever he wants. And Universal says okay. How ABOUT WE REVIVE KONG? Why don't you do it? However you want three hour length. One hundred and seventy five million budget recreate New York down in New Zealand. Whatever you WANNA do shoot half a year. You have the power now and we believe in you more than we did a decade ago. Make your call. He was very different. Peter Jackson he did not return from Middle Earth. The same man who went to Midler. Yeah I think that was partly why he was looking at his old script. And being like you know. I don't relate to this and I do relate. More to the idea of this big chaotic film set and all these people getting back really to the roots of the nineteen thirty three story making Carl Denham. A megalomaniac film director who has an artistic vision? That's going to drag. All these people into danger probably felt like what it was day by day filming those Lord of the Rings Movies. It's just a concept that he could relate to more I think he was happy to revise the script entirely. Throw everything that he had written out and come up with what we're here to talk about today. Which is an interesting film. Because I feel like people love Peter Jackson but I've never known to many people to love this movie. I guess I'll tip my hand a little bit because I I won't say I love it but when we were coming up with what movies we're to do for our underrated book like there was discussion. What if something was a huge hit but no one actually likes it? And that's kind of how I feel like the legacy of two thousand five is like everyone saw it and like and now I don't really like it. Did feel like it was underrated for that reason. Yeah no I think it's a valid complaint not hate it. It made a half a Billion Dollars. So it was no flop but underrated. It might be because I heard grumblings. I saw Lord of the Rings Super Fans and Yeah. They were just like you know they tried. I could see them trying to be. It's just not the same thing you can't have the same experience going to middle earth that you do to skull island. I think that Yeah I won some Technical Oscars it broke even in America but when all was said and done passion like there was just no desire to crown this best picture best director one of my favorite films. I never saw. I was aware of it and I had some interest in it but Marjorie hated Lord of the rings not that it was anything against Peter Jackson but she just didn't groove to the length of those films or the tone of those films so she didn't want to go see King Kong. I ended up not going without her and I didn't hear anyone saying it was a must see but I ended up the next year. Two thousand six. I owned not one but two copies of this movie because I bought an HD DVD player for my xbox three sixty. Do you guys remember those. Yeah they were the Maroon cases not the blue ones and you could buy an HD DVD player or a Blu Ray player they were competing hd. Dvd was an open source format like DVD. Anybody could do it. Blu Ray was owned by Sony. Every BLU ray produced gets quarter and Sony's coffers okay so everybody was really kinda pushing hd DVD but what one for the Blu Ray is every playstation three? That came out had a Blu. Ray Drive in it but the xbox three sixty came with a DVD drive so Microsoft tried to help the HDD came out with an additional drive. So you had to connected on the back like an old peripheral and having a second box sitting next year xbox that play HD DVD's. They're obviously not made anymore. This ain't died the next year. Yeah I was like. How long did it last and not very law? Did you buy one of each? Khong to see which format you liked best. No what happened was if you bought the xbox three sixty player you got King Kong with it but I waited and got a black Friday deal where it was march down at best buy and you got to mail away for five more each DVD movies. I got enemy at the gates and I got King Gong but I was actually really excited because I'd gotten HDTV. And I was going to get to watch. King Kong in this new HD format and none of the ones that were mailed to me got watched at all and now I still own them and can't sell them for a dollar at a flea market because nobody has a player so I have two copies to this day of King Kong in HD DVD on HD. Okay Watch it for this review. I had to go out and get four cable because I can't play. Hd DVDs anymore. Either and to be clear. You didn't see it in theaters and you haven't seen it until this week. Yeah my two DVDs never even got route. This was my first time ever seeing this movie. Fifteen years after I bought it now. Well that's fun and I did see this one in theaters. I didn't go weakened release. I went the second or third week and it was a theater. Remember when theaters weren't all stadium seating. They were all kind of almost flat. They kind of just gently sloped down. It was one of those old theaters. We still have one here. We have some here. I don't know if they changed her. I don't go to them. I go to the ones with the recliners and the Nice seatings but awful experience not because of the movie but because I had a child behind me who heard that they were bats in this film and kept asking his dad winner. The batch coming. I'm scared I don't WanNa see the bat show up around the two hour mark so I had to listen to that about every five minutes him. Ask His dad when the bats were coming. So you're saying he was driving bat. Shit crazy yes you can say and what really drove me. Crazy is when he then spilled his huge soda in it ran down and covered my feet and I will separate my experience from this film though. But I've watched a few times. I bought this when it came out on. Dvd I've seen it a few times like I said I was considering putting in the book so I have some affection for it and I also had a bad theatrical experience and never did go back but I again was friends with Lord of the Rings Superfan they had to go see it at La Cinerama dome. Which if you've ever been it's a wrap around screen. It's kind of a unique experience. Don't you lay on your back at that place? The screen so big not that one. That's Omni Max but yeah okay. It's a unique experience and there's only one in town it's right there the Hollywood area. They only had tickets for the midnight. Showing and this is not a movie. Want to start at midnight. Yeah get home at about six. Am It was only because the sound was so loud of at eight screaming that I was still awake at three in the morning? I was just like please I want to go to bed and so in my mind it was the movie that was putting me to sleep. Although I didn't give it a chain out beyond that happened to me too. I watched this movie. I started at a little later than I should have. And the only thing keeping me away I was all the monsters roaring so I hit. Stop went to bed and watched it the next day and had a much better experience. When I wasn't attempting to fall asleep to the monster's roar and I think it also hurts that I haven't really liked Peter Jackson sense that he ended up making. I think the worst film of his career after King Kong with lovely bones and then hobbit that whole hype for the high frame rate ended up being real bust. I didn't even like that movie with the world. War One footage that he colorized like it felt like him falling off the Empire State Building and splattering. I feel like he lost his clout after this movie. This movie torpedoed the Momentum. That return of the king gave him now. That's my impression. I realized many people still love everything he does. But not for me but this did make half a billion dollars. I mean. It's not like this was a financial failure that made it so Hollywood. Didn't WANNA work with them. Yeah but it also cost two hundred million and once you add up all of that stuff. That's a little better than breaking even to put it in perspective. Return of the king did make a billion dollars so this did half of what this but it's King Kong vs the end of a trilogy and King Kong. I gotta ask was their love for calling. You know five. I mean I remembered liking the seventies. One I kinda wanted to see it. The fact that he was fighting. Dinosaurs intrigued me again. As if you didn't listen to our thirty-three review I had no idea that we're dinosaurs in king among s so the fact that he was fighting him King Kong Jurassic Park kind of sounded exciting. Yeah and I thought this was the first time King Kong getting remained since nineteen thirty three. I didn't know about the seventies ones. I didn't know about the Japanese one so this was exciting for me because I do like that. One thousand thirty three one. That was the one I watched when I was a kid so yeah to see a big budget. Modern special effects. Yeah let's see what they do. Yeah they definitely hyped it. I mean there were action figures dolls. They pushed this like this was going to be a cultural phenomenon but again. I think that's part of the reason why it feels like a souffle. That didn't rise. It's like oh. We had such expectations and it just ended up being another movie. Yeah keep in mind. Two thousand five. When this came out was the year revenge of the came out. I had to keep reminding myself. Revenge of the didn't have the greatest. Cgi as I watch this. Because I was like this one visual Effects Award but in oh five I guess it was pretty good and I remember being in the toy aisles. Seeing all the star wars toys at yeah there were King Kong toys and no one was buying. They ended up on clearance and again the complaint was too long. Why would you take a movie? That was an hour and forty minutes and double it. Is there a need to expand everything to epoch size? Is this Peter Jackson unable to tell a simple story anymore? The joke was the year later would an appeared in Blu ray format. They had two versions. You could watch theatrical or extended because it's even longer and that's what the movie needed which version to have you guys seen. I watched the extended one for this review. I Like I said I've seen the theatrical one three or four times and so yeah why not watch the extended one with even more stuff in there though? I think it only ends up being about twenty minutes longer. I was thinking he was going to be an hour longer. Like those Lord of the Rings Special Editions. I was hiding from an extended edition also thinking it was going to have an extra hour of stuff. Rarely does Peter Jackson going longer. Make me like the film better but when I saw there was only fifteen minutes or so of difference I decided what the Hell I'll watch the extended cut just so I can see what few scenes are scattered around. I understand there's a Lotta stuff still not in it like there's an hour of deleted scenes. Yeah I watch. That is the mystery of if anything. The theatrical cut should be an hour shorter for this extended version to feel like it brings anything I mean. We're talking about the TRICERATOPS ATTACKS. An extended scene in the water with the sea creature and a little bit more of Kong running around New York. No story lines have been added. Nothing and extended gives you new storylines when you watch the deleted scenes. You see a whole lot more. That was planned for supporting characters that kind of get the short shrift in both versions that were released commercially. And I think the reason why they didn't include some of stuff is the effects work wasn't done and had the movie been a huge hit. They like Lord of the Rings Okay. We'll go back we'll finish. The effects will release it as a four hour movie. But there's just not that desire. It seems that the commercial appetite for Kong tops out at three hours twelve minutes. But you can find out some of the stuff. That's not even film not even in the movie if you pick up the official PREQUEL novel which Hunted Down. King Kong the island of the skull. This is a prose novel. Like three hundred pages words on paper. Yeah Yeah exactly. The surprise is Congress. Not In it at all. It is an origin story for the map. The map if you wanted to know how. The filmmakers got him at the Skull Island. You can find it here. It starts with the Cong- bride and this was actually kind of cool. Is actually my favorite part of the book like there was one? Kong bride that got smart and she like Greece the restraints and escaped the her chains before the big ape showed up ran away came across. Pearl divers that had come to skull island. Because hey everything's bigger here including the oysters. He got big pearls. They run around from some dinosaurs. Find a cave with a map inside. One of those divers turns it into the map as kind of falls in love with this girl. Dinosaurs eat most of these people. But eventually you follow that map until it lands in the hand of Carl Denham. Who is shooting a movie and you meet his cameraman. Herb. Who Loses his leg to a sea lion. I don't think you see an either kind of this movie. That he's a one legged cameraman. No I didn't notice no was supposed to be one leg into the big league. Well in deleted scenes you definitely see that Jackson will tell. You Insert shots. You can see him walking funny but I never picked it up until I read this novel. He's an old guy. I just thought he was old. Yeah exactly they also feel they need to throw in a storyline for hungry actress and Darrow. In this book they want to show why she might have a soft heart for animals and so they show her trying to get a job in Atlantic city on the steel pier. This is a true attraction they actually dare-devils who would get astride a horse and then jump into a tank of water and she got. That job fell in love with this frail horse. Who was too sick to be jumping but the greedy mobsters that run. The peer Mater died anyway and the horse dies in vague. Khong like manner and so you can kind of see that. She's traumatized at the beginning of this movie. Because she loves animals so much and people are cruel in hurt them and exploit them not essential storytelling and not particularly well written but again it shows you that there was a lot of ideas. Some of this came from material that was in the inflated script that they had here and that Peter Jackson was thinking big when he was making calm. I just got one question because it's as much stuff back story expanding on characters Jackson's GonNa added this film. What is a bright ACOG? Does that get explained? What is going to be doing with these brides? I don't know if I totally got it. All from the novel did do a deep dive. I didn't even do all of the extra materials. The man has so many diaries on production I think as many days as they shot as many hours as they were there. You can watch it like you could just live. String him making that movie. I gave up after several hours but I did watch a lot of the behind the scenes and yes. I get a sense that what they were trying to do with the call bride. We could talk about it. I guess when we get into the movie okay but Arne. Why don't you give them the plot? It's should be pretty familiar. Folks at this point yeah for this one. I looked I wanted to see. Do I even have to say it again? Or can I just copy and paste from Nineteen thirty three review? It's pretty close. It is pretty close but there are a couple of minor differences so I will recite to to. The movie is set in nineteen thirty. Three and Jack Black plays troubled movie director. Carl Denham who has stolen his latest film and fled overseas to complete the picture but he needs an actress to be the love interest. He meets unemployed vaudeville performer and darrow played by Naomi. Watts who is attractive and the right size to fit the already made costume. She agrees to go when she discovers that the film is written by Playwright Jack Driscoll played by Adrian Brodie. They set sail during the voyage and Jack Fall in love. It TURNS OUT. Denim is led the crew to an island not on any map skull island when they arrive on the island. The natives there attack killing some of the crew and the survivors returned to the ship. The natives follow them back to the ship. The natives follow them back to the ship and kidnap and taking her behind a giant wall and tying up then calling appears a twenty five foot gorilla mo capped by Andy Circus takes and into the island jungle driscoll Denham and others go to rescue and on the island. They discover dinosaurs. Seeing these giant creatures denna becomes more focused on getting these oddities on film to make a hit movie and less focused on making sure and survives between dinosaurs and giant insects. Most of the men are killed and Denham loses his film and also attacked by giant beasts but Khan fights and kills them defending his blonde bride eventually driscoll reaches and saves her and while com gives chase. Denham knocks out the giant ape with a bottle of chloroform with dollar signs in his eyes. Denim takes Kong back to New York to be as new attraction. The eighth wonder of the world has a gala premiere night filled with press to unveil Hong to New York City but the flashbulbs of the press irritate Cong- and he breaks his chrome steel chains. Yes the chrome steel chains are back. I noticed that all Hawaii rebels. He's also a little pissing hand. Khong searches New York until he finds the an when the army attacks. The giant Gorilla Kong grabs an and climbs to the top of the Empire State Building. The is attacked by airplanes and shot and calm falls to his. Death and jacket are reunited at Denham. Ignores all the bullet holes in call and says it was beauty. Killed the beast and credits roll. Yeah a lot similar. There's no doubt about it that was Jackson and thinking about what he wrote in ninety six ninety seven till filming in two thousand four. Yeah I think the experience of having been an arduous film shoot. Made Him WanNa talk about that. Experience want him to get back to dims film production being the reason why we go to skull island and I also just think he wanted to movie with more heart. I mean he did after all win an Oscar. It isn't just because it's an action movie sausage because people love the characters. Love the drama and the Pathos of it and I think he wanted to push that envelope I think he wanted to retain a dramatic sensibility. Which is ironic. Because when we meet an all she wants to do is make people laugh and I like what they do with an here. They actually develop her in. February was great with that screen but she was a scream queen here and is an actual character like she's GonNa have motivation. She's going to have trades. She's a Vaudevillian actor right. She's chaplain drag trying to get whatever laughs she can and I think that she will be typified that when she gets discovered by Denham. You know he calls her the saddest girl in the world. But she doesn't want to be. That is the Depression. We see from his opening montage. Everyone is in squalor. There's no reason to wait in to that. Meyer and e Sad. She sees herself aerobic because she's trying to lift people up. And this is a nice bit of backstory we've had complaints about characterization in the previous two or three. If you count the King Kong origin King Kong vs Godzilla in all of those. We found the characters a little bit flat here. I'll just put my cards on the table. This movie too long overall. It is too long but I actually my complaints previously. It takes too long to get to the island here. I don't really have that problem. But one of the benefits of the length is we do get and we meet her before she stealing the APP but we see that her Vaudeville show was closed down. We see her trying to get a meeting with a playwright who maybe would hire her. And we even get to see this father figure for. Who's when the Vaudeville show closed as like? That's for me. I'm going back to Chicago. She even gets me to the only job she could get is at a burlesque show right yes? She is trying to deal with the fact that she can't work anymore. She was the star of that. Show she. Her name was above the title at that Little Theater. But now that didn't work out so issue really GONNA go strip. Yeah is she really going to show off her assets to try and make ends meet? This character is unique because she is going to face the depression and say no. There are things that I'm not willing to do even though I'm desperate so I'll steal an apple but I won't work at a burlesque show and I'm not sure I want to get on a boat with this garden. Them who we have intercut here played by Jack Black. When I saw Jack Black was in this movie I just immediately knew he was going to be the Charles Grodin character who steps on at the end right because Jack black usually plays kind a slimy characters. I of course didn't realize denim survive the original thirty three King Kong but I felt this entire movie. I was waiting for Jack. Black to be stepped on. I would have been okay with it as I like Jack Black. He's very modern. He's a very modern performer. And you can find the right irritating role for him and he can really shine but here they have them in Orson Welles hair. They're really trying to make that comparison that he is this young very talented filmmaker who's also reckless with budgets. He's less Amirian Cooper of the original and more like. Yeah the guy that made citizen Kane all. He has proven himself yet. That ain't Jack Black Jack. Black is not good and dispel. Yeah I think this is a miscast here and I like Jack Black. When he's doing comedy he's got his own youtube channel that I find very funny stuff. He does on there. But I'm waiting for him to be more boisterous. It's kind of mellowed out for this role. That's how he's GonNa play it more serious and I just don't think fits him. I wanted to be louder. Brasher e More Jack. Black if you're going to cast them in this Film Jack. Black doesn't have a whole lot of range and yes. They're asking him to do things dramatically that he's just out of his wheelhouse and it's even worse in the cut see. I'm convinced some of the reasons why the scenes are cut is because he dramatically drops the ball. He's just not any good and I like him in the beginning scenes. I like him as the director. Who's gone rogue he's filmed and spent all their money and has nothing to show for it and they're like where the story. Oh we haven't filmed that yet. I need more money. We're going to go to this island film. I love that the producer want sell. Whatever stuff you shot as stock footage right a lot of faith there and so yeah I agree. This is in his wheelhouse being a devilish person. That's going to steal the reels and jump on a ship and try and finish the movie with no money in the bank. Like he's telling everyone I'm writing checks and they're gonNA bounce if they ever do cash that's Jack Black and that's fun but the other stuff the idea that he's a crazy visionary along the lines of yeah like Marlon. Brando is really kind of where they needed to go with this apocalypse. Now the fact that he's so delusional they'll make heart of darkness comparison that he is so driven to his artistic vision that he's willing to put everyone's life into payroll. I don't get that mania from him. I get it that he's trying. I get it in his lines. I get it in his eyes but I believe well. Yeah but I mean that's what I'm really thinking that they're telling me this is who he is but is unconvincing and the other thing is because they are making him. That character is again why I felt like he was gonna get stepped on. He's not bad enough for that. He's kind of to light. He's too much of a lightweight for you hate but his entire actions caused the death of so many people that him being stepped on feels appropriate. That's the thing. I'm trying to read the subtext here. It does Peter Jackson seeing himself as this Jack. Black character because yet he's this crazy visionary and he's GonNa Steal those reels and he's GonNa make his crazy jungle movie with giant dinosaurs and everything and do this guerilla sh- no pun intended. But I guess it is the guerrillas shoot where he's just carrying this cam around getting whatever footage and the studios X. Hatim but yeah like you guys said he's GonNa cause a lot of damage in New York so he ends up not being you know like. Don't follow that vision and so I'm getting a hard time. That feels like there's commentary going on about what it takes to make a movie but Carl dims not to get guy in. This bad results happen from him. I'm sure that he sees what he was trying to do. Making three pictures back to back when his most famous film is a flop he made for universal and Jack Black. Even said Yeah. I looked at Orson Welles but I also bay some of this performance on just watching Peter Jackson so yes. This is a stand in for Peter Jackson. Here trying to get the movie made at all costs and we're leaving now because because I've stolen the reels. They're sending the cops for me. But we need a female lead. Bahrain Mackenzie has backed out and so we have a costume. That Mae West is not going to fit into and is off doing a picture with. I like that line that Carl was the one directing ads I mean. This movie is nearly Augusta. Zandt psycho remake of King Kong if Gusman Sant decided to make psycho twice as long but there's also nice little illusions and nods to the original King Kong such as mentioned affair right both Meta it. Suddenly we know that simultaneously in this world. There is the King Kong movie being made. And now here. Are these people living it and will later have people in the ship making comparisons to this and Joseph. Conrad so yes. It's hyper aware of the stories that have been told. And what is its place in that camp that makes sense because this is universal pictures King Kong. They've constantly been trying to make one at the same time this other peop- yes and failing but here it is and again. It's a lavish vision. We're seeing a New York that was mostly done on a sound stage in New Zealand. Even if you went to New York it wouldn't look like this would take even more money to try and set decorate and take away the modern to bring us back to this one thousand nine hundred eighty three vision but yes. This is largely a computer generated. World and there is an artificial nostalgic quality to this movie. That Jackson is just embracing even though it's the depression and it's kind of gray me. I mostly get the sense this auburn glow of fantasy and and love for the retro. Like I don't think he would ever consider modernizing this. What's funny to me is the style. We're back in the thirties. If you've been to the Empire State and thanks Art Deco was very much. The order of the day and the Empire State building itself is still very art deco but here because everything is CGI. I'd is somehow feels like art. Deco squared you know like the lights are hitting just so to emphasize the angles in the shadows of it. It in a way reminded me of like Sucker Punch or one of those snyder films where you can tell nothing is real going on there three hundred but I liked it better than either of those examples because it felt like a painting you know. It felt like an artist. Idealized view of Thirties New York. I liked it. Yeah it's a fairy tale. This is not going for realism. They're not trying to get you to the real nineteen thirty. Three's depression era at all. There is a twinkle in. Everyone's I and they're creating a fantasy and so when he meets and he stepped out of the taxi and he sees her hemming in hiring about whether she'll go into burlesque does what Mary Anne Cooper did previously. He buys her a cup of coffee. By is the apple that she tried to shop with but it is different this time. She is someone that doesn't sign on right away. Hungry as she was desperate as she was she was not wanting to go do something that might put her in a compromising position once he starts asking about her dress size. She thinks he's a creep. She doesn't want to be the saddest girl he's ever met in a movie. And it's only because it's being written by Jack Driscoll that she says yes she says yes. Because she's a fan of this playwright who seems to be based a little bit on Eugene. O'neill would have been a popular playwright Wilderness tender. Is the night as who? They're kind of going for. I don't know if people know that. Playwright or not but same time period. Same kind of story here mostly wrote dramas but did have a few comedies. As Well Adrian. Brodie is playing that character and I'm going to give it this movie this unconventional casting all around now Naomi. Watts is probably the most conventional higher here. She was having her moments right. She'd had the ring should come off. Mulholland drive. This was probably the apex of her. Mainstream popularity yeah. She even had an Oscar nomination with twenty one grams. And then you get Jack Black. We've talked about how he's anachronistic in this period piece but Adrian. Brodie is the world's most unlikely action hero as an end. This movie almost feels like it exists to abuse Adrian Brodie. Yeah whenever he shows up to be an action. You're like well. Didn't he do that in that predators like he was supposed to be tough guy that was going to take on these aliens? I could kill anything. I'm not buying it here. They're going to ease you into action mode Adrian. Brodie which I guess I could buy more you know. He is a dramatic actor and Jackson's going for a lot of dramatic moments. So by as a writer and because they're going to slowly moving to Action Mode. I get except here more than I ever did in predators. Yeah I don't think he's an action star here or anywhere but yes well that speak anymore. About Predator moment as well he had won the Oscar. No one expected him to for the pianist and so he was looking for lead roles. He has an unconventional face. And so it's not always the most obvious thing of what to do. But he also when he won his Oscar. He did that thing with Halle Berry where he grabbed her and kissed her. And he's a lover boy like he's kind of cat he's dangerous. He plays with his sexuality. In a way that you would lean into that. And so what I get here is that this is a writer who yes Has a deep romantic side. That doesn't always come through in his maudlin place and this woman that he's going to write for brings that softness out on him. It's subtext that she will make text. And he is here on the boat as they're loading up hoping to get off. I love that. He's sitting in a cage trying to write when he's on this boat and we mentioned seventy six cops. How did they get comback Jackson? Okay they're going to do a real clumsy. Avi Shot and some chloroform to set that up. But just the fact that this boat is. We're going around trying to get it to take off before the police show up. Yeah they're mentioning. Oh yeah we're catch exotic animals. You want a camera. What do you want White Rhino? We could get you that. They're setting little things up so when you think back. How do they get a big monkey on there and transport? Well they got cages. They got chloroform. They specialize in that and I do love the scene of Jack. Black stalling to keep Adrian Brodie on the boat with the wrong date on the checks in. Yeah Yeah that is comedy. That's working for me. I'm really into the movie more than any other. King Kong as they set sail for the voyage and I think what Jackson's giving this that no other. Khong has given is urgency. Carl Denham asked to get the hell out of town. Because he's stolen the reels of film the cops are coming for the producers who give him. The money are coming for him. He is setting sail faster than expected and it creates excitement in New York whereas previously it had just been. Set up in your. Yeah I mean these things were kind of there. Some of the many of the elements were there in one thousand nine thirty three. But you're absolutely right. There's a ticking clock now and they're trying to outrun cops and it's funny to think how long this con artists going to get away with this for everyone realizes he's telling them lies. And if there's a casualty in this first setup here it is Colin Hanks. He is mostly in the deleted scenes. You may not even notice that. He's in the movie but Yes. He is the personal assistant to Denham. And I believe he's really there to be. The moral compass is always there to try and point out the fact and it still comes through. I think in the in the final cut but that this character risk hurting a lot of people with his vision and he does his best to try and sue the bruised Egos and people that are working and dealing within them. Yeah I I definitely feel in the extended cut that they use Colin Hanks. A lot more to. He'll just give looks Kinda like his dad. Just those looks with crinkled eyebrows and wrinkled forehead and all that and that tells you everything what he's thinking what he thinks that the situation when like Karl denims like secretly filming guys getting eaten by monsters that in the extended version. Yeah but in the cut scenes and again if they had really made true extended cut and add it all that deleted material like you would find that he actually finds the map. He confronts Denham about read all the getting to the island actually kind of changes. It's kind of muddy the way that it actually happens here. You'll see because they also not only are they introducing a film crew. They also have to introduce the crew of the ship and that is really the problem. Is that the crew of the ship. It isn't there movie we can say that. This is a movie about a movie. But it's not a movie about sailor and so when we have to get this. German captain who chloroform animals to sell them to zoos or God. Help US Hayes and the stowaway Jimmy Monologue ing about the metaphorical meaning of heart of darkness. That does not help this film at all. We talked about the crew in the nineteen seventy-six version where it was cool setup. But they didn't really do anything with them here Jackson. He does try to do something with them. Would agree with you stuart. It's yeah it's a monologue that never really gels to sell anything Jimmy as but there was an attempt they are as bad as King Kong lives. I'm sorry but this ship captains joke. Are you a lion or chimpanzee? Remember Udo Kier in wing commander. That's who I was thinking of every time that captain opened his mouth and then Hayes is no better with that exposition. He likes it down here. It's where I found him years ago in the bat cages. He was wilder than half the animals in here. He still won't tell me where it came from but it wasn't anyplace good. This is bad. Writing and worse acting this guerilla shit on that boat. It is really really bad. Okay well you hate it more than I do. But we're in the same camp that I don't feel it gets helping this movie. What it tries to do is offer some kind of postmodern commentary but it doesn't work because they're trying to get to the heart of darkness but the problem is that's expose after that point people believed you got on a boat and it was this amazing adventure and this is something that says. No people are being exploited and we're robbing them of their minerals and ourselves becoming jaded Kong. Isn't that story? Khong is the Fairytale. Khong is the fantasy. This is not the heart of darkness version of. It's not realistic as not exposing. It's not even really about the depression. They started there but were quickly. Whisked away to fantasy and twinkle and fun and they don't want us to feel bad about any stuff so this is just dishonest to say anything. We're doing here compares to what Joseph Conrad and heart of darkness. Yeah I haven't read hearted darkness but I know the whole pockets now. Thinks that's my go-to and I'm like okay. It's Carl Denham. Supposed to be the Marlon Brando character here. He's he's GonNa go crazier and crazier as he goes after finding this island and getting all this footage but again none of that really plays out. So it ends up feeling just pretentious. Yeah if you want to do an illusion to heart of darkness go ahead. But if you're GONNA have a character reading heart of darkness two point big neon Eros to see what we're doing and hit me over the head with it like a cartoon mallet. None I'm going to hate that. I'm fine with that but okay see how much it's not like. Heart of darkness is what they're doing. See how everything that. You're reading has no bearing on the silly fantasy full of monsters that were actually experiencing so. I'm just dissatisfied. That they're yes it's called pretension. They're trying to make more out of this than it's capable of bearing. The load weight says two hundred. And you're pouring four hundred pounds of bullshit on us and it's cracking and you're setting up things like this boy. We don't know where he came from obviously came from skull island right. I mean there's gotTa be a fucking reason you're teasing this. No reason well because this is edited in the way it is and they had a compromise. It he is supposed to be an enjoyable character because he takes the pin from the screenwriter and goes and marks up the poster of the supposed leading man of the movie that there is this vain. Arrogant Guy Bruce Baxter played by cow Chandler. Who gets to their you know. He's brought golf clubs so you can tell. His heart is not into this even if they're going to Singapore you don't bring golf clubs and of course. He's got to decorate his room all in movie posters. That he's been in the dame tamer the rough trader. We're supposed to like Jimmy. Because he goes in there and vandalize all of them and again. He's always deflated people. He had a lot of deleted scenes where jet kept trying to write scenes and he would tell him. Oh No. That's not what happens when a guy gets stabbed. I've seen a guy gets stabbed. Let me tell you what it's really like. That sounds like what Christopher Lee Peter Jackson said Lord of the Rings Maybe but he would be fun in the way that if this were like a heart of darkness demystifying of Nineteen thirty three Kong. It's a way of taking the fairy tale out of the adventure but he brings people down by bringing it back to Earth and showing it how it really is life at sea so I liked this movie for the first twenty thirty minutes when we're in New York but the next thirty minutes because it's about at the hour mark that we get to the island the thirty minutes of getting there on the boat. I'm not even really able to Groove to the Jack can an romance here. I get that she starstruck and they have their meet cute where she thinks. The sound guy is Jack and she's like oh. I'm so glad you're not one of those. Tweety book nerds. And Course Adrian Brodie. He's in the background looking far more like she would expect all you need his name. We wants to go. Oh He's standing right behind me. Isn't he like Lou? This is pretty Sitcom level. Yeah where's your call get? I do that. There's more of deleted scenes to. I hate to say like wisely. They realized this wasn't working. But that's the problem. You highlight the real problem. Here is now that we're at sea. We're supposed to see actress and writer. Don't like each other. And then they fall in love with each other as they get to the truth of the movie. They're trying to tell that's the whole idea. This post modern idea of these people didn't know about see life until they got on this boat and now they're learning about it and they're learning about each other and they fall in love and got to be a much more skillful writer and I feel like Peter Jackson and his collaborators are to make these broad types field natural and like people. I'd want to see in love. Would anyone want her to be with this guy? I mean this is the same writing crew as Lord of the Rings. But I don't have a problem with an actress falling in love with the playwright again. That seems kind of obvious problem. No but do you believe it? Do you feel charmed by this meet. Cute and like it's all done in montage. She's dancing with Jimmy this stuff. I don't know if I'm to the extent that Arnie is aiding this stuff. But I do feel like this second half hour like this is where you kind of just four. Let's just get to the island like because none of these characters really gonNA pan out. They're not gonNA end up being that important except the main ones so yeah. I don't care about this. If they're going to fall in love let that happen on the island while they're going through their adventures. The only thing I really love on the boat is when they're filming a scene and they recreate the scene from the original King Kong where an is talking to in this case the actor but it was the first made on the ship being like you don't like women on your boats and things like that and they do a verbatim retelling of that that I liked about. Well it's funny because that original actor was so bad and so they have it be that well Bruce Baxter is add living and not doing the screenwriter wanted him to thinking he's coming off natural and looking the way we all know. It didn't work in one thousand nine hundred ninety three. Yeah there there are funny jokes and observations. This movie is making about nineteen thirty three. And Yeah. That's Kinda clever here but I want to stress. It's really essential that we want an and Jack to be together. That's the primary reason why this is so long and we spend so much time at sea and if you're going to make it silly stick like where. Oh I'm going to say nerdy tweety tight while he's standing behind me. That's not going to do the job. That's how not to write a romantic comedy. You can't do what everyone else has done before. You have to make these characters idiosyncratic and fresh. And if like the best they can do is have Adrian. Brodie bump into her shirtless while they're careening around at sea. That's just saying we don't know how to write characters falling in love. I don't know how to do because it would be appropriate for the time. Like do the screwball comedy thing where they fall in love but if this is their take on screwball antics than yeah do something else move on. Yeah all those group commies the best one have really sharp dialogue. And it's funny to this day and like where's that sharp repartee. Where's the jokes that are? GonNa make us laugh. This movie's Corny funny. But it's not funny fun. It's not natural and again it's not even going for that. It's kind of working in a broad stereotype. Sitcom e Kinda Way. It's all artifice and I think that's a problem when you're trying to make the audience care about. I mean well first of all your audience has come here for a monster movie. And then you're telling them but wait. You need to care about these love story. And then it's this love story and these. Are The lovers like I can understand why you'd make a three hour cong- if this stuff worked but if you're looking at this in the editing room you go well it's going to be a two hour com ca trim this first act way down. I like this Phil but this First Act. Yeah get another editor to come in and read it. There's just so many wrong choices. Made from the writing to the casting of some of the people on the boat. That really made it hard for me to retain my interest in the film on my first attempt at watching it. It was at this point that I checked out and I started surfing my phone and then I started wishing I was asleep and I had to start over. I had to reboot and go back into it and I had to literally Sequester Myself. A room with no technology and force myself to pay attention to these boats scenes. It was that back okay. I think we're all saying the same thing to varying degrees. I'm still with the movie again. I've always liked the build up to the island and once we finally get there and they wanna be Spooky. That's good. The leaky boat is the romance. And that's never going to not be True Adrian. Brodie and watch have no chemistry together and their lines there moments all of it just flat flat flat. The fact that they don't end up together is perfect. Yeah I wish he fell off the state building. I wish she pushed him but anyway. Yeah let's get to the good stuff or getting to skull island and it does look like Middle Earth Right. I mean it just feels like they took some of the same production stills and designs. Yeah looks like ORCs and blasts I totally felt like. They didn't want to do racial stereotypes so they took some leftover or make up. Call today at. This part is frustrating for me. I know there are people that were really upset. They're like it's two thousand five yet a chance to Redo all this and it's someone else seems more racist than the Nineteen Thirties version. Because there's no motivation. There's this one native kid walking around that you're going to try to give him a chocolate bar. And then the natives grenade attack like there's no ceremony going on. They're just going to show up on the boat to kidnap the white woman because for reasons like before we saw the negotiations and re talking here they are just monster people. I actually feel like it is as culturally sensitive as you can be and still tell this story to me the way they look like. They're not people that worship God. They're people that have had to live on an island full of Predator and the best they could do was build. This wall and the island is actually sinking. I don't know if that's clear. But maybe that explicit in the bonus material no is that said. I've seen this movie multiple times. I got that impression. I know it's all bones material. Unfortunately but you can get the sense that the water is coming up. You can see how it's reclaimed some of this. It's why the villages so close to that they're used to be more land to share and they walled away all the creatures and they had their community and Zoli would surely. It's all been rotting away. I did notice when the boat was crashing up against the rocks. There's a lot of cong- shaped rocks that have been carved so maybe that used to be land or something did seem weird that they would like to the middle of the water to make these carvings. Yeah exactly so that is where you have to extrapolate the idea that this is Venice. Italy and landmarks are just sinking and disappearing below the ocean. Line and so yes. These people live in fear of calm. They don't worship him. You don't make a mad and so what happens is and it was more clear in a deleted scene. Alright so the venture gets blown up to these rocks get stuck. The Sailors. Do their best to try and plug the hole and fix. It and Denham takes us film crew to land. There was a scene that was cut where they're just filming on the beach and it's another scene from the nineteen thirty-three movie at the remember. How Carl Denham tried to get. Fay Wray Scream. Well Jack Black's going to try to do the same thing about coaching her. To react to some horror and Naomi Watts finally going to scream. It's the first time she screamed. And that's when you hear Kong's roar this film crew has set off calm and that is why the tribe is mad at them and that is why Naomi Watts must pay. It's because she was the one that did it and cong- brides are essentially a people that have made mistakes and gotten the ire of Kong and Fed to him. Cut Out fifteen twenty minutes on the boat and put some of this stuff back in. Because I feel if you're GONNA take three hours to tell the story or expanding your opening up on the mythology yet explain this bride stuff that we've always kind of just guest about but I do think you're right. They're nervous about it and they've cast multi-ethnic in this role and then yeah used makeup to try and make everyone kind of the same. The Shaman is a female here and again. She seems the heck's and again we don't know what she's saying but she seems to blame her because Congress because she screened and that's why she must die and we wouldn't normally do this. We're not savages. We wouldn't normally attack any winter. Came here but you are bringing the wrath of Khan and therefore you will pay. Well they did throw a spear through a guy before that right. Yeah I guess so. It was all over a chocolate bar. You can't really say he deserved it. I gotta give this though. If that is truly NAOMI WATTS. She screams like nobody's business. That is from Mendes scream. She doesn't three times and every time. It is great. I mean she could be a scream queen with that Holler Mexico. Is The ring Mulholland drive? I mean it is children of the corn four. I forgot about that. At any rate. They Kinda Skim over this culture but it to me. It looks like one on the outside that has been one of the suffered and one that in order to appease Kong is lighting the lights and sending guys over on pole volts to pick up and bring her back so that she could be strung up in the ways that we always like to see the blonde strung up for car. I did like the pole vaulting to get to the boat that I thought was very clever. Yeah they tied that rope around the guy so they could pull them back through the ocean water. That was good stuff although he happens to. Lewis's necklace at that moment. I guess it's because this is like the third time I'm seeing this exact thing happened at that happens every time you landed on a lot of rocks through your neck list to fall off when you hit the boat. Yeah this was better through deleted scenes. I actually feel like there was more going on. It was more exciting at same time. If you notice the men are trying to disengage from the rocks and they're saying throw everything overboard there's a whole subplot about Choi trying to grab the camera from Denim and throw that overboard. They were blaming him. And on the beach after and screened. It was Carl Denham. That heard Kong's roar and said let's keep filming. Let's go inland. Let's find that roar. Everyone is getting mad at Denham for putting them in this position. And so that's why you see dim in some scenes clinging to his camera so much because other characters are trying to pitch it overboard while at the same time these natives are coming aboard and killing people and whisking away and the captain was ready to go and turn in Dagenham for his crimes and get the hell out of skull island but and being captured. Nope we got a mount the rescue party. You have twenty four hours go in there and it feels like twenty four hours of cacophony. This is the definition of too much of a good thing. I love what Peter Jackson has created on skull island but man there is a lot of. It aren't a you. Watch the extended version right. Yes now okay that it would be by complain to the extended version like I feel like the ethical one it going to be a better balanced better pacing but I guess they gotta sell more BLU rays since no one's buying those. Hdd's anymore so throw in some extra scenes more dinosaurs all that and it just kind of slows it down. Well here's the thing up to this point. They're identical seventy one minutes when we get. There is nothing different about the theatrical and the extended cut all of the other stuff comes after the fact into search party. Correct up to this point. Everyone is experiencing the same thing. I kind of like it for the most part. I've always liked to build up to the horror usually. It's hard to top that your fear about what you're going to see is always worse than what it actually ends up being. So is that going to be true for Hong. We've seen him stop motion. We've seen him men in rubber suits. We're now seeing what two thousand five can do mo Cap Andy Circus favorite thing about this movie. I loved circuses performance. That you know. They've redesigned Kong. He's more like a just a giant gorilla he he's not GonNa Walk Upright but the personality that they're gonna be able to bring to this creature because of the Mo cap it wins me over. This is my. I wouldn't say my favorite version of calling. I still love that. Stop motion original one but with this film. My favorite thing is what circus does with the character. I think he's the best actor in the movie by far easily. I know that there are great actors in this movie but I don't feel like they're giving great performances except for Andy Circus. I remember seeing the behind the scenes stuff when this movie came out of him doing the guerrilla movements and things and I know that was his thing but I was kind of rolling my eyes back then. I wasn't able to take him seriously because I only knew of his column. And that guy from thirteen going on thirty but seeing it here especially seeing what he would take this to do with Caesar and planet of the apes movies he is tremendous. He really gives Cong- A total personality which he's lacked in every other now. Three or four. Three this is the innovation why remained calm. You could say up to this point all right. It's more expensive. But they're not doing anything that nineteen thirty three didn't do here's something nineteen thirty three. Couldn't do with stop motion puppet. They couldn't give a performance. You couldn't get this kind of expression from their leading man and so it is going to be able to give a new level to Kong. Because we have andy circus putting on DOTS MARRIED TO CGI and having those to work together to create something entirely freshen. Yes dear. You're saying that this film kind of wants to rely on Jack and and being a thing and get the audience invested in their relationship. That doesn't work but for the next two hours. I totally buy a giant gorilla and Vaudevillian actress. Have a thing going on. And it's all because circuses performance like the emotion he's able to bring to. Kong's face in this film's amazing. I also think Naomi watches better with him than she is with Adrian. Brodie and everyone else I mean. I think she gets better in this movie when she gets snatched away here. You know they string or up. It's kind of a cool pole. Vault dropped the drawbridge kind of thing. They got going on when they drop her on the platform and they got cagey. We see calm but we don't totally see him. We see hands we see is and the only person in the ship crew that sees is dinner. I love the fact that Jack Black sees him turns back and his first thought is telling the cameraman. Get the wide-angle Lynn. I'm not gonNa tell anyone else what it is. 'cause they'll probably won't go again. This is very devious. Terrible person he willingly putting these people in danger so that his film production can go on. But that's also why you know again. The artist isn't a good person but they are a visionary and hopefully he's going to get a great film out of it and you know we'll donate the proceeds to Mike's Family. He keeps promising. More and more people died. Yeah like Oh. The wives are all covered. Like I don't think there's enough money here for that. But alright his assistant sees through him when he says it for the second time in verbatim and I never believed him even the first time I mean I was trying to figure out again Jack. Black can't play this exceptionally well. Yes so I'm not positive if he's trying to be sincere or not but I'm taking it that he's not because yeah. I feel like there are definitely like William H. Macy is like an actor. That's really good at trying to sell people on lies and the mile a minute talker like there are other people that could have done this and Jack Black just is not right. And it's unfortunate because it's such a pivotal role at this is a story about movie making and the artistic process dragging people into danger. I WanNa believe that the characters as dangerous as they are funny but there's just so much in the first movie we had a couple of different things going. There were snakes t rexes and things but here they're going to add insects and bats and so many things and it's relentless it is nonstop and a lot of times. I'll find that good but here. I find it exhausting. Yeah again I think that the Colt version is better paced. And Yeah is it exhausting? Yes but I enjoy the right here like they open up. And you see the crew. They're fighting triceratops and they're gonNA shoot a dead and it. Kinda takes away that Magic Jurassic Park moment like I think that's intentional when they find these brana sources. It's it's supposed to be like. Oh look what's on this island but it's already kind of been spoiled in the extended version because we've already seen dinosaurs at that point. I'm sorry are you saying that? That's a good or a bad thing because you could make the case that that's heart of darkness that's showing the realism of whatever and like there's a bleaker quality to the extended version. Yeah it seems like with the extent scenes. There's some sadness over some of these creatures dying but that's not this. Is this movie. 'cause YOU'RE GONNA be sad when King Kong but it doesn't feel like that's what this movie is trying to set up. I like that the Ethical Cup more because it starts off as the magical island that kind of turns into this nightmare when these brontosaurus and start to stampede right yes. The main difference is all here in the search party quest and one of the scenes that is completely removed from the theatrical version. Is the idea that these men fire into the trees get a triceratops running at them pitching them around with its horns and Hayes has to put it down as well pay with this for his life later but Hayes kills this lovely plant eating creature and yeah it kind of starts to hold mission out on a sour note. It's also worth pointing out has happened in nineteen thirty three and it played entirely differently. I mean I don't think that we saw those dinosaurs as anything other than threats. And when they shot them. I think that was supposed to be a good thing here. We're having some moral ambiguity if not some turning on some of these characters and that is only in the extended version. Does that make Joseph? Conrad No it. Does not. I think that that was the intent. And yes there's this brown is source thing. Here's the thing. It has been fifteen years since this movie came out. I remember this movie having Good Special Effects. But aren't you already indicated? There seems here. There are times when they're running and it's clear there are composite shots and just some of the rendering is just not fluid. Yeah when I saw this in theaters this brought source seen look. There's some fun I love when they all start tumbling like the big traffic car accident pile up to me. That's kind of funny but who the CGI gets real rough like you said the composites just the shading like I notice a lot of bad. Cgi just comes down to their shading and lighting all off. And so it just makes everything seem flatten artificial. And that's a big problem like again. I think it's a fun scene but it's dated and now it looks. It looks like exactly what it is. A twelve year improvement on drastic park. But it ain't what we can do now and I think it surprised me because I think we've reached a level and special effects where we don't have a lot of complaints. Usually if they have all the money and here I'd be like they had all the money and there's still some it's not bad there's just moments you go. I'm taking out and I had to remind myself again of revenge of the Seth and how bad it looked when OBI wan was writing the Boga. Ed All of that. I'm like they weren't great than and they were great. Then that was really good but there weren't perfect. They aren't what we are now. Yes yeah I feel like this is way more ambitious than what they did in the original drastic park in that. Yeah you had all those dinosaurs running and they hid behind a log here. They're trying to incorporate humans running between legs and shooting guns and shooting dinosaurs and things falling off cliffs. It is much more ambitious and so I'm willing to be more forgiving because I do like the scale. That Jackson has taken the story too. Yeah he's trying to pump it up and he's trying to give us a lot of dinosaurs. Stranger movie called King Kong but every now and then they cut to the. We'll talk about it in a minute but the important thing here is they introduce. I think they're veloce raptors. There are these smaller dinosaurs. That are eating the people and they get the camera man. This is the second casualty of the Independent. Shoot it's true. Sound is always the first thing to go sound guy is always like we can live without sound on an independent shoot. I give you lose the sound. You're like well dub it later. But now they've lost the cameraman and the camera is now being passed to Preston. And it's like how much further can we go? It becomes a part of Denham story that he begins to cling to this camera film. People as they're dying again. Is this the story of someone? Losing their soul. I think dramatically that is the story telling but that's not the performance. I'm seeing being given and this movie never gets dark enough for me to feel that this is something important. The film also gets a little bit metaphor me. Because you got Denham filming. But you've also got Andy Circus here not as a guerilla but as a character named lumpy and when I saw that in the credits I actually. I was looking to supplement MVP. I thought the son of Kong would be named lumpy and it was gonna be like bacchus Kid and the holiday special lumpy but no. This lumpy is a seaman. Who is just constantly? Give Denim Shit like get that all on film. Did you after one of his shipmates dies. Yeah when they have a big fight with a sea monster which again is an extended scene and okay. That's a neat little moment. I wish played out it. Yeah Stewart you said. They wanted to darkness. They're failing at that but it seems like they want some of that subtext here but it never pays off for me. Yeah looking at apocalypse now. Every station down that river you felt those people will losing their souls. They were losing something. They were getting crazier and crazier and here dramatically speaking. They're losing cast members but I don't feel like they're going crazy in the same dramatic way because this is a fairytale because this is not a drama. Because we're never really going to look at these people as anything other than colorful types and lumpy is a part of that. Love here just to be funny. You know he looks like something out of Popeye. He doesn't look like an actual sailor. This feels like central casting pirate. It doesn't feel like someone that actually was at sea and live this life and could actually share some realism. And that was a choice. That Jackson made that's fine. But it means all these things are getting a little dull repetitive. Because I'm wanting drama and the only time in getting it is when we cut back to Hong and we see him Kinda falling in love like he lives on an island where everyone's trying to kill him all day long and then all of a sudden a bride and he's had many. We've seen where he drums their necklaces. Well that's what I'm asking. We'll see him shaking and around and that's when she notices all these skeletons with the same necklace that she was given by the native so like is he sexually aroused wisey shaking all around screaming. Is He angry? Eh? We're not in that movie. In more dealer. Interest is nowhere near the script. He's not sexually arouse he's going to eat her just like he's done all the others before she gets away before he can do that. And then when he corners her she dares to say no and she dares to perform and again. This is a character that wanted to bring comedy to the Great. Depression does someone that wants to retain her sense of lightness in the face of darkness. Kong is someone that has had to spend all day long fighting things and meeting things that want to kill him. Here's something that finally wants to make him laugh that is his inroad to falling in love with. And you just have to go with that. He's smarter than your average gorilla and that he would enjoy Vaudeville. I liked though that earlier. They said Vaudeville is a tough gig. You've got a audience that you either have to win immediately. They'll eat you alive. You know who this is a more literal version of that. I don't know how I feel about her. Vaudeville being what wins him over and makes them decide. I'll keep you as a pet instead of you but I do go with it. As for the whipping her around Jacob I think of when you give your dog stuffed toy it picks it up and shakes it and do you know why it does that because it thinks it's a baby animal and you do that to snap the baby animals neck so that you can kill it before you eat it. The Way Kong is whipping her around. If she doesn't have snapped neck at the very least she would have the worst case of whiplash known to God or man. Well yeah and this isn't the only time he's going to abuse her when she starts doing that. Vaudevillian Act and falling down. Like he starts pushing her down and finding pleasure in that and this an again fay wray great screen. But that's all she did in that movie. This and cure refuses to scream. G actually won't scream again. That's her character. I'm going to be funny. I'm not going to play into the depression. But she's also tough like she's GonNa Tell Com. No like this could be like a strong feminist character but she also is feminine. This being fairytale. I what really draws me. It almost feels like these old traditional ideas of masculinity and femininity You know you have con- like beating his chest. I know that's problematic in our day and age but it's something I like about this because it is said in the thirties does have that fairytale feel like an is a strong independent woman because reading that in today's movies but there's also a femininity tour that you see how she could calm this gruff mill character. Try to bring some humanities and indeed. I mean they've called it out many times. That is the fairy tale of beauty and the beast. I mean you can watch any version of beauty the beast. I believe except Linda. Hamilton's TV show and see this play out. I like the stuff with an and Kong. There's so little of it though. And they're so much Adrian Brodie and others getting into trouble within saks and baxter's saying heroes. Don't look like me. I'm going back to the boat and heroes have beer bellies and are missing teeth and then Baxter coming to save the day. Here's the thing we're not here for that. We didn't come for Jurassic Park. We're not here to see that movie. This movie's called King Kong. Took forever to get to him. Now that we're here we're not wanting to split time but I wouldn't mind it if there was something I could latch onto but it's action for action sake doesn't feel like it's progressing anything. I think we're supposed to care that. Hayes is trying to protect Jimmy like we're supposed to care about that and that's the problem is like that lumpy really likes Choi. And you know they told us that characters matter here and I could respect that but then they gave us really broad boring caricatures. And don't tell me that's dramatic. Don't tell me that I'm going to feel for them. You're right it ends up being action for Action Sake but in Peter Jackson's mind I think he's telling a dramatic ensemble store. Would the cut scenes have made me give a damn? It would have deepened character back stories. It would have shown you more interaction between them. You would learn about Hayes fighting and World War One and not being appreciated by America. Because he was black. You'll learn things about them. Will that change the way you feel? I feel like they still give these kind of flat performances. I feel the writing is still kind of wooden and feel this. Whole movie is artificial and not realistic. So I'm not gonNA take the stuff for more than a grain of salt again triceratops the sea monster that I don't know that EMU or whatever they accidentally shoot like that is all extra stuff that feel takes away from the pacing. You're right yeah. Because they cut back and forth between Kong and the rest of the crew but with this extended cut. It feels like you're spending much more time with the crew than an and Kong. But there's only fifteen minutes added so we'd still have seventy five minutes of this but in movies five five minutes seemed to kill a movie like it's all about pacing. I do feel stronger. Cut is probably the theatrical cut because the only thing you're getting in the extended cut is a lengthening of the search party. And you're seeing things that make the sailors look a little bit more contemptible like Lumpy shooting a defenseless dino bird all that does really set up the fact that when and gets away from Kong she runs across corpse and a meat eating dinosaurs there. And it just leads to chase. That's going to change her relationship with Hong She's eventually going to be cornered by three. T rexes at the first. We gotTA have three. It's a whole family you know. And so before you even get the T. Rex's and it was like giant Guavas or something that are chasing her. Yes I again. I didn't even want to go through all that. There's millipedes I mean there's there's a lot of shit falling on her but eventually she screams and Kong comes through a rescue and again takes bites for her grabs her when she's falling. I like this fight. You know you talk about like when iron man gets his buster armor and fights the hulk like okay. That's a fun little scene to me. This is on par with those kind of actions. He liked the way. Congress swing his shoulder to move out of the way from T. Rex. John take a bite on the arm. And I'd like how this is all choreographed. Yes this is all. Cgi who does circus is acting out this fight. But I liked this action because this is a jungle film. This is a fantasy action film. So yeah I like. This doesn't go on a long time. Yeah probably a little too long but I enjoy it for the most part. This fight scene is very good. You might be exhausted by the movie because it's been nothing but fight scene but this is one of the best it does undermine the impact of this fight but I do like this fight. It is very long very detailed and had we not had so much action up to it. I think I would absolutely love the scene in isolation it is good. I marvel at the upper body strength of everybody. Who's traveled to this island because and is GonNa hang from Vines and Adrian Brodie? He's going to hang from clues. Everybody should hanging by their hands. But I do like this fight. It is really three dimensional the way it goes down the crevasse there and just so much going on and Cong-. I'd said in the first thirties movie that it took so long to kill that T. Rex felt like it made him not feel like a King of the jungle here. There's three of them. The fact that he sacrificing himself. He'll take a bite on the arm from a T. REX to save. I think it's pretty awesome. And he's still doing his signature. Move they gotta work in the crack in the jaw thing I mean. That's I think that might. What really impressive. They're oh yeah. They like pushes the joy in their and plays with it again. And this is going to do that. Roar on his chest like he is the king of the jungle and the way people might feel about like an iron as cool fight scene. Like that is how I feel about calling in this movie like I am so into this Kong and like just as an action movie yeah just CDI action thing. Don't make it three hours. But here's the thing. I don't think it's the link that's the problem is. The lack of focus is the fact that we have all these other characters when if it were just about an thinking about it this way and comes from jungle to where people are always trying to killer and exploit her and take off her clothes and do terrible things. Of course she's GonNa late relate to a fighter like this and the fact that she's going to be able to charm him with love and her sense of comedy that he's never even experienced in his jungle. That is the perfect relationship. But you just need to focus on that because Jimmy and Hayes. Eight the movie and every time. You're spending the time on them. You're taking away from King Kong. Yeah the thing with Jimmy and Hayes and the rest of this crowd is show up. Toss as throw the rest down a chasm. There are going to get killed by bugs except Jack Carl and whatever Colin Hanks Name. Is this film like they're the only ones that are going to live and the camera dice to up to this point. Colin. Hanks has been preserving the camera. Or Carl Denham has been pulling it out and filming it. But they've had a movie and now they don't have a movie that camera when it falls down the chazan. The film gets exposed. Yeah it's all over now. There's nothing that they can use. And so that's when you actually see Jack Black being like oh now. It's a tragedy film and my vision is dead. What can I do? He has to rebuild to the idea of capturing cong- and exhibiting Kong but yes. That's what's done by everyone falling into a Jasim its littoral lowest point moment for all these characters but yeah. It's a lot of bugs to do. We need all of that. Did we need the penis worms? It's really gross. Well I think this is a tribute to a scene that was never filmed for the nineteen thirty. Three one directors like this will never pass the censors. So they'd never shot it but here it is back here now again. We talked about that. Maybe they shot it different versions of it. But it's not in any version of King Kong that anyone can find now and yes. There is a part of Jackson that is fearful. I feel at this point so reverend of the movie. That is his favorite movie that he doesn't WanNa do anything different. And so we must have the long lost scene. Because that's a nerd fantasy that I can geek out to even though it adds fifteen minutes this movie that it doesn't need but it does. Is it separates Jack from the others. Everyone else is going back to the boat but Jack is not giving up on the end because we're expected to believe he loves her that much and he's going to write a comedy for her so of course he's got a risk life and limb and climb up those vines and pass all of those bats. It's finally happening Jacob the child. What did the child do once? They actually saw the bats. Did it like flip out. No I think he just closed his eyes. He just wanted to know when he got close his eyes there. It is idle listen two hours of masking bouncer showing up. Here's the bats. They're not even scary kid. Yeah so anyway. The point is he comes to rescue her and the question worth is does and want to be rescued. I mean she actually had this moment watching the sunset with long and kind of pissed at her like for a while. He won't look at her but eventually picks her up cradles her they spend the night together not in a biblical way. But you know you get my point. Yeah she's in his palm sleeping comfortable with the. She tries to teach him the word beautiful as they watch sunset together. Obviously you would WANNA be off this dangerous island but I actually feel like it's genuine. We saw that happen. She willingly went to him. He threw her on his shoulder. They ran off. This is protector. It might be Stockholm Syndrome but like this is the man that I love right now on Skull Island and does Jack Coming back reminder of the man she really loves or does she get is she still sleepy not realizing that she's being taken away it all hinges on how you are expected to think and feels about Jack and we heard her say she loves his plays. But I've never seen the scene where these two actors pop and have the same kind of chemistry. She does with the aid. No there is nothing compared to Hong. Holding her at sunset. Yep It's just not working for them and that's too bad it's it's a central role and Adrian. Brodie again is known as a reps gallion. Who can win women's hearts but not in this movie so this is all familiar climbing down the vines calling chasing after them tearing through the village doing all that he can to make sure that his woman stays on skull island and isn't taken from him and he's pissed when she starts to leave obviously he would be. But by this point denim has decided. What's better than a movie a live show and my ship? Captain just happens to be good at capturing big game and has a ton of chloroform on board. Let's do this gap and of course it comes down to the cabinet actually wants to kill the thing. He's got Harpoon gun when it's down there in the rocks. He's like yeah. I hit him in the leg. Next time it'll be the heart but Denham out of greed. More than anything lands that final bottle of chloroform puts it right and Kong's face and we have this kind of over dramatic scene of passing out reaching for an. It's a little over dramatic but I do like I think. We watt cells the tragedy the scene. Where she just kind of whispers you know. Turn back go away. Like don't come after me. I I like that little moment. They're like look. This film is really about a tiny woman and a giant eight kind of being in love. And I'm buying it from these two it works. You know one thing. It was an idea from the nineteen seventy six. Khong script that didn't get made and I know that they they talked about it here. It doesn't really come through to me but I'm going to throw it out. Tell me if you guys see any of it. There was a thought that everything that they experience on skull island. They also experienced in New York so that when he's being attacked by Bats it's the same thing as the aeroplanes and there's a equivalency for one world in the other so it's really the same place you know it's Kinda wizard of Oz in the sense that black and white Kansas is the same thing as technicolor Oz. I didn't really get that here but it would have been an interesting thing to follow through on I. I wish they had made that parallel more cleaner. Because I think that's a good idea. I like it but I think they've just pushed too much action onto that island that would be impossible to replicate. I don't know what King Kong fighting three T rexes would be in New York fighting. Three subways three cabbies fighting over a fair or something. I mean I guess because they have pushed and needed to push the CGI WETA action so much New York will never look like this place but it would have been funny. If they could've found subtle cues and maybe even costuming or something alluded. I don't know at any rate. The point is they get back to New York and we all know how this is going to end but I did not know that an wasn't going to join the state show. That's the big surprise. Yeah I'm surprised. They don't have any scenes on the boat going back because in the thirties one we had them being signed for that show here based on how things go. I guess they wanted it to be a surprise but we could have seen them turning down. Are there deleted scenes? There's no deleted scene of them coming back. Peter Jackson joked in a commentary that he could make a whole other movie King Kong. They enter qual. They actually did talk about doing it with the thirties. One where like on the way back. They've experienced disasters in South America or something like that but he was being sarcastic. He knows that he can go too. Big and maybe he even knows he's gone too long with this story. I get the sense that Peter Jackson does know. He can overindulge like yeah. He's like yeah. I'm aware that I do that. Like it's not like he's totally blind to that. Trait in some films. Yeah he definitely like even in the commentaries like are you still awake. I mean he joked about the link and yet you know why not make one for yourself like if this is the one that he wanted to make. He's at the height of his powers. Yeah it's a vanity project but no every director makes one. I get it as long as it's working. Then I'll indulge the link and it is a nice surprise like an is off doing her own thing she's doing another play and I had forgotten about this. I liked that little. Twist like it is so sad. Ac- con when they unveil him and he's just sitting there and they gotta pull on these chains even like lift his arms to try to make it look scary but they're going to reenact a ceremony and you're thinking is there turns around it's not an and that's when Congo's crazy liked that little detail. I'd forgotten about that. It's the best reason for Kong's rampage that they've ever given the idea that flashbulbs confused Kong or you know that he was worried that they were manhandling his an or that she was getting married. All of that stuff felt thinner than the idea of. Okay this miserable place but I've been in miserable places before. At least I have my girl and when she turns her head up and she doesn't quite look like nomi watts. That's it I'm furious. I'm not going to tolerate. I liked the scene. Where we hear voiceover of driscoll telling an I wrote a comedy and she's like well. Why would you do that? Isn't it obvious? And then we see that comedy. It's not an on stage and they're saying men can't say the important thing so because he said isn't it obvious? Instead of I love you. Something happened there. Maybe she just had a big taller darker Harrier man in her life but she isn't with him. She's not performing in this comedy. Yeah it's confusing to me. Because I like what they were trying to do with that. I wrote a play for her but I didn't have the guts to invite her to actually do it when the time came. I think we saw something happened where he was trying to pull her to the boat and she she pulled away from him and actually was like Jack. I don't like the fact that I think she saw him as being in cahoots with everyone else and capturing calling and she pulls away from him and probably felt like well. She's not going to do. My play anymore is what I'm guessing. The only problem I have is. She knew very well that he loved him like it wasn't subjects. The band climbed up vines and did everything for that so it would have meant more if she had a different interpretation if she thought he was. Carl DENHAM OR CARL. Denham was doing this play. That would mean something here here. Jack is All loverboy heart on his sleeve. And so yeah. Why doesn't she know if indeed? She loves this playwright. Why isn't she doing this? Play instead of this chorus line that she's doing somewhere else but it's a quibble. I liked the confusion. I like the reveals. Here and it motivates Kong in a good way and here I mean we have the most evil denim we've ever had in any of these films. Were I mean? Worse than the Oil Guy. Worse than the thirties. One Who we all said was a villain and who even audiences back then said was a villain here. This guy filmed while people died. He made snuff films with dinosaurs and mosquitoes. He told lies. We're going to give money to the family. You see the look of guilt in his eye when his assisted is they're looking at it from the balcony while he's enjoying being in the spotlight and all those producers who fired him and called the cops after him. Not only that but again on the Marquee at saying starring Ann Darrow. Part of the reason why we think Naomi Watts is there is. He's lying and saying we've got the woman that was really there and it ain't the woman that was really there. This man can't do anything but lie and so you're right. He's got to come up and coming and I thought Congress step on him just like we had Charles Grodin. No this I just away Scot Free Again Adrian. Brodie is so abused in this movie. I can't count the number of times he gets knocked on the head and knocked out and he's almost beheaded by the natives to Adrian. Brodie just gets it again and again and Jack Black gets out of Scott free now even he you sneaking into the theater because he thinks that's where an is and he wants to tell her he loves her and he's finding out that Baxter is actually. That vein actor is the one getting all the credit that he should have for capturing Kong so. I do think that you're he is constantly a sap. I guess is his moment to shine because he's now going to get in a car and lead Cong- away from a trolley and Y- is there a good point to have him in the story anymore? No but I like that con- Kinda recognizes him to my love away from me. I live with my conjure up on the second story of seats and it's like just crumbling down. He's starting to climb up after Jack. Yeah when he gets them that taxi. It's a little bit too much but see. I'm Pro Kong Dino you're so wrong cockfights so many dinosaurs bats and I still love him. I am so procon like I kind of want him to get Jack like I get his rage at least yeah. It was very important for Jackson to retain a really since of a feral animal. Like he never wanted this to be too soft of a cong- he never wanted it to be cute again. Look at where it lived. Look what it had to do to survive. Why would it be cute? It just got a taste of cute and it doesn't want to let that go and so that's what an represents and that's why he's got to find her and yeah would end. She willingly comes to him if she saw him eat jack before would turn her on does kind of injects. A jerk right yeah. I'm not sure but I remember something you said. You said that we never want to have an unsympathetic clung. We always WANNA feel sad. When Kong dies here. They're pushing my limits. To appreciate calm with the carnage. He is doing now. They've softened up a little bit he does grab somebody thinking. It's an it's not her. He kind of tosses her like over the shoulder. Like it's not the good toss like we had in the seventies. Oh you don't think she's dead. I mean I definitely think fake in on the stage show is dead. He doesn't a couple of times yeah. He's a savage and he's angry and yeah when he was killing on skull island. You weren't crying for the dinosaurs. I think that what's the difference here. There's the same aggressors. Yeah I'm still on Kong side. Because he was a captive beasts that was brought over and yes he did. So yeah get your revenge on the people exploited. I mean that's a common thing and movies. And he's a giant APE. These are nameless New Yorkers all in for it and if he wants to tear down New York this time when so many people are suffering. I mean yeah you could even see him as a populist champion that he's tearing down the rich and not quite Robin Hood. I don't see him helping the poor you I. It's a symbolic act that he is going to claim himself king here. I do love that Jackson. He he will take risks. I I feel like whatever you think about Jackson. He's willing to put his vision out there. And that you get this seeing that it probably goes on a little too long. It's basically calling an ice skating like cold because I don't know how that's holding Kong but I the sweet again fairytale moment of them skating around sliding on this frozen lake. It seems beautiful. It's got that dream music and then the mortar. Shell start coming in and blowing things up and it's it's back to. Oh Yeah we can't have peace like again if you WanNa see this is analogous to some interracial relationship. Whatever they can't have peace they can't be left alone. Yeah I remember hating this at the time but then again I was holding my eyelids open physically with my finger. Yeah it was about shoot thirty. Am Right now. I was just stop the shit. What is this? They're going to like have a sleepless in Seattle moment? Like this is ridiculous but you know what in context years later knowing that it was coming. It is the crux of this. It is important that we understand this more than any other. An We've before loves KONG WANTS TO PROTECT HIM and is happy to share a moment of peace when so much of their time together has been about survival and brutality. This whole stretch from the moment. She just shows up in the middle of the street. As Kong's about to kill driscoll to the ice skating rink I actually rewound. I'm like did I miss something. She just wanders out in the street. Yes she does a back lit looking like an angel then they just have a romantic moment. Nobody's after them. It's feels very strange. Well as fairytale but again beauty and the beast doesn't side with guest on you know like she makes her choice about who's right and who's wrong and again. It's almost like a psychic connection. She walks out of her own. Show sees a Kong poster on the ground here screaming in the distance and instantly. She makes that connection. It's him and I can call him and I can. We can be together. I don't know if she's thinking that it's going to be forever. But I think she knows she has the ability to charm. Make him laugh. Ice Skating's new. I don't think he's ever seen there was no snow so this part is definitely the next level for their relationship but again. I think she thought she could help. And what's really happened? Here is that she's now. Just caught in the crossfire. Because the military's now swarming the streets and so let's climb the Empire State building. That's a calm. Does one of the things that annoys me in this film is Jackson's use of slow Mo. Yes it's not. Even Jackson's use Jackson saw Ridley Scott Movies and said Hey I want to do that. Stuttering effect Back on the island with the natives and he did listen Lord of the rings with the ORCs to. Where does this like weird slow motion thing that I don't know if he's trying to make it scarier? I felt like he had to be aping. Someone Pun intended you. Oh yes I saw back on the island too and it comes back here but yeah it is this like weird slow Mo stutter- E and yet it's drifting everywhere to Ridley Scott. Did it for action. Here it's just like here's pictures of skulls. Is it supposed to give a vertigo effect like the person's flipping out what they're seeing? But it comes back here and I'm like this just it isn't working for me. And he drops all the sound out and he just goes for minimalist sound effects so we've got the military shooting at Kong as he's climbing but I guess because he's so high up we hear none of it and it just becomes these quiet moments and there's the sunset again so they can relive that moment when she tried to teach them the word beautiful again. It's the same place that his world and her world are. Equally hostile is a NICE IDEA. That could've played within that. They just have this brief moment. One was a sunset sunrise because actually he escaped at night and now here comes day and here comes the airplanes. I I like that. It's poetic and yeah. I mean they're gonNa do what Kong knocks down some planes. But in the end they're not going to change the ending. There is only one ending for Kong. And that is that he gets killed. He falls after so much action. I guess Peter Jackson was just like nope. Don't need that anymore. We're just going to do this. Dramatically we're not GONNA HAVE ANY SOUND. We're not gonNA have any fighting. It is a really anticlimactic climax. Well it's the same climaxes the original. What's anticlimactic in your opinion? It doesn't feel like a fight because of the way that they've gone for the slow Mo and the no audio and all of that. It just feels like a requiem. I didn't get that sense when he's fighting the planes. Yeah I guess it does at times but I still feel like you're going to see him do things at that. Stop motion wanted could ever do love any grabs that plane and swings around and throws it into another one. Yeah you'RE GONNA have a lot of name. We walked running around trying to save Kong standing there in front of it works for me because I love this song. I'm rooting for him. I'm not crying but I'm sad when he is like this does feel like a tragedy to be. I didn't get that vibe in the nineteen seventy-six one sorry dino here it's working better yeah. I mean it's it's going to be deep. We wouldn't accept nineteen thirty-three it's too perfunctory. We need to have again. Maybe Jackson over sells it. I do think slow Mo sometimes. He pushes the emotion a little too much. But yeah when we see the actually died when it's clear he's dead even before he rolls off the top of the building. The light goes out of his is again. That performance that's powerful and yeah the fact that he's laying there you know. I really wanted something different. I was really hoping they were not going to do the same line when Carl Denham goes up there and they said Oh. The airplanes killed him. I'm like would you say the truth because I would have definitely preferred if he finally said you know what I killed him because he did. That's the whole point right. That's the whole point of Denim and that he could actually take responsibility for it. That would have been great but no Jackson has to do the thing that worked in one thousand nine hundred because it is Jack Black. Actually Peter Jackson like what? What's the analogy here? What's the subtext? Oh it's just we're going to go for the same ending. You lose everything that you've been building. I showing this probably even more evil vision. Yes do in snuff films. And now he's just GonNa say that same line. He said it in the thirty three movie because he was constantly spin master he was telling the reporters the angle. Here we get jetlagged just pontificating. And he's not good at that by the way this is not what he does best give him a guitar have him do some Funny Heavy Metal Song? Maybe that was the thing they needed. I don't but I was just a little sad that it's on the nose you want to. Nasa's D versus King Kong. Is that what you're going for? Maybe I don't want this but this is what we got and then we got like ten more minutes of credits to so it ain't over yet. I like the score and I do like that. They have that art deco style for the credits just to give it that old tiny. Feel well as credits roll. Jacob Stewart's do you recommend Peter Jackson's elongated King Kong Jacob like I said I thought about putting this in our underrated movie recommend book because I do feel like like everyone saw it. And everyone's like it's too long and I don't feel like it's too long is really critique like there's something behind that that you really trying to get out but everyone just said it's too long. There could be three are films. That are great. There could be eighty minute films. That are awful. I think you talked about those cartoon movies Com that you had to watch that we're seventy minutes and it took two or three days to get through it so too long. What do you mean by that? Yeah there's a lot of action. There's a lot of stuff he puts everything in here and does it all work absolutely. There's stuff I would cut you. Make this shorter but all the conch stuff I love. I think anti circus is fantastic. Here doing the stuff the emotion I get out of the relationship between Kong and an like. I am buying all of that. I've loved the dinosaur fights again. The extended cut little too much action. Stick to the one but what really I love about. This film is the relationship between a giant ape and a woman and that shouldn't work and it does for me like in that fairytale kind away like this is the best beauty and the beast if I got to watch a beauty and the beast. This is the version. I WOULD WANNA watch that because Naomi Watts and anti circus and the CGI people convince me of that relationship so yeah I can give a solid recommend to Kong. Two Thousand Five Stewart is definitely not a movie to start at midnight. I understand completely my initial disenchantment. Be that as it may. I was happy to come back and see it's still true. King Kong is a real challenge at three hour length particularly became for a monster. Move if you just enjoyed nineteen thirty three because it was a b movie with Campy Fun Special Effects and the tore up everything. I think that having an inflated with this kind of self importance what is the point of expanding it other than to do it bigger. I mean does the big APE accomplished anything more than carrying the hopes and disappointments of Depression Era America on his back scaling the tallest building of the world and then falling dying. The only way that this movie is about anything more if it's about more then the ape and unfortunately that's where this fails when they tried to tell us it's about Jimmy and Hayes and ingle horn capturing animals and all of the supporting characters. I just don't understand why they're important. I don't understand what they say about the depression or the time period. Anything at all. I think you could have recast and might have helped. I definitely think you needed to work on that screenplay but ultimately where I fall on this is I think Peter Jackson struggles with focus. I remember being really irritated at the end of return of the king. When we're suddenly expected to believe the last ten hours of Frodo taking a ring to mortar was actually Sean Astin Sam storey remember. They tried to pull them bullshit in the last forty minutes of like no. It's about Sean. Astin hell and is Peter Jackson. Tell them your focus your laser to the things that matter and don't get lost in the weeds. All that matters in King Kong movie is King Kong not now fortunately Eddie Circus is a tremendous King Kong and he does save this movie from its excesses for me. He is good enough to recommend this film mildly even though yes. I still would like it shorter but when I think about it I mean yes. He's a thoroughly believable leading man. That has a incredibly moving relationship with NOMI WATTS. Beautiful you know. That's the word she uses. That's what I would use to describe his work in this film and while the effects are always there by and large this is one of the Great Mo cap performances of cinema and hawed over whether or not to recommend this. I mean it's not the length if you're giving me a great involving story Tarantino's films Django. I look at the run time. And I'm like Ooh what's it. GonNa do hateful eight the fact that they came out with a longer version. But then I get into those movies. And I'm so into the characters and into their stories that I don't ever WanNa leave the theater. And then I go for a three and a half hours suspiciously and I WANNA cut out after forty five minutes so it's not the length. It's what you do with it and hear what Peter Jackson has done is given me the best New York stuff we've ever had the best King Cong- we've ever had. Thanks to Andy Circus. I never question Va. I never question King Kong. It's a great looking Cong- when Kong is holding an sometimes an doesn't look so good but the ape always looks good. The dinosaurs look good when people are running next to the dinosaurs not so much but the best call the best an in Naomi Watts great scream and a great relationship and I like when she bites back and she's tired of being pushed around. There's a little bit of you know Modern Day stuff here. They make an less of a put-down woman. They make the romance with the more sensitive writer than with the more hunky. I made of the ship. She tells them no like you know she puts that foot down and says no and he respects her for No means no when an APE is pushing you over with his finger absolutely but there's so much noise in the jungle and so many animal attacks with characters that I absolutely eight. I mean anybody introduced on. That boat should've walked the plank before we got to skull island. The only characters I like in this movie are the ones we met in New York and Jack Black gets iffy the more he supposed to be crazy so the movie has some serious weaknesses. Some high strengths in the end. It didn't sustain itself collapsed upon itself and I found myself not enjoying climax. And that's where I really made. My decision is by the time the airplanes come. Shoot the fucker. And he's rip it off the top of the Empire State Building and they're trying to make a dramatic and I don't care for calling. I don't care about call outside of his relationship with and which I'm never quite sure and you mentioned Stockholm Syndrome. Stewart and I'm always like there's something about that relationship the does feel nonconsensual in certain ways and she was his captive. I don't think she would've definitely holds the power in that relationship. I don't think she would've left like she didn't pick him so I didn't cry when Hong fell and I didn't believe Jack. Black when he said. Tis beauty killed the beast. Tis Jackson who killed the beast with an overblown melodramatic script? I definitely felt that way the first time I saw it. I think what helped me? It was going through this whole journey seeing all the different permutations of calm. And how it's been. Yeah I could appreciate all the nuances that Jackson brought to it and I thought this one brought something no other version had with the Kong performance that to me is where celebrating. If you like Cong- you're going to want to see this performance and already you mentioned that each films that we've covered has been duality. Khong nine hundred thirty three heads son of Kong and the Japanese Godzilla vs Gong had long escaping. Gino got to Jackson did come back to Kong. He did no. He came back to Hong. He did it five years later. Admittedly it took the universal studios ride burning down for him to consider it but yes in June. I two thousand eight these studio attraction. I don't know if the wrong animatronic caught fire or whether it just got caught up in the fire but a whole city block of universal studio burned down the they were repairing one of the warehouses supposedly like universal. Didn't even announce this until like ten years later. That all the stuff that was lost in this fire but I believe they were doing some repairs on one of the warehouses that held props and that and tools doing their thing. 'cause some sparks and it started a fire. Okay so I'm wrong to think that Khong the old creaky ride like his arm sparks and caused the fire. No the ride didn't malfunction. No that is not what happened. But Universal didn't say let's rebuild an animatronic win com burned down into hold New York set-back lot burned down. They said this is an opportunity. We've made a King Kong movie and our ride looks nothing like it. Let's bring in the guy that made the movie. Peter Jackson. What would you do on? His answer is three D motion ride. I have only been two confrontation to see the animatronic in Florida. I saw at road past the old robot ape and then before I left L. A. A few years ago I went to Universal Studios Hollywood for the first time I rode this ride. The last time I went to universal studios the simpsons was brand new and they replaced the back to the future ride with that. Yeah Incorporated Three D and kind of a thing that moves around is that what Kong is now. It's not part of the tram no you are. You never leave the tram. You're on the tram. You've already seen jaws fast and the furious in Toronto and all these people and then they wheel you into this. What you think is a sound stage. And that's when the glass of the Tram becomes a three D. MOVIE. And you see calm and a t rex fighting each other and then like the T. Rex will jump on top of the tram and the whole thing starts moving and I just gotTa say maybe it's old fashioned but I like the old ride. I like the idea of actually seeing. It might have been clunky but I'd rather see a robot in a three D. movie so you never get a C. At animatronic absolutely there are no animatrix. It is a three D. movie playing out all around you a ceiling floor sides. What impressed me at the ride was the big eight you know his jaws ride what impresses you is sharp coming out of the water. The reality of it the stepping into the movie having a Three D. movie. I'm sorry. The Terminator Three show was never as good as the king. Kong ride. Not as good no and they did this to Jurassic Park. Now it's drastic world the ride and yeah. It's a lot of flat screen. Tv's that you're watching. Dinosaurs run around on instead of robots and I want my robots. I think they're harder to maintain again. I suspected there. That's what caught fire. I actually thought Cong- burst into flames. And they're like we're not doing this anymore. But they've lost the charm of the ride in my opinion by moving from robot to three movie it may feel more real to some people. It probably is more technically exciting. But Yeah I want my old calm. I can do you one better. Peter Jackson did something else with Kong before the ride after this movie. Peter Jackson's King Kong the video game. Now well I mean that seems like a natural but was he actually involved. Why would he do that? He was involved overseeing it. And you had all of the actors Jack Black Naomi Watts doing the voice. Come on. You gotTa play calm though. Here's the weirdest thing about the game. It's a first person shooter. You're one of the search party. No you want to be fighting the dinosaur. Your Jack and not play got to write a comedy. Yeah the game. Well let me get there. It starts off with actual footage from the movie came out about the same time so it almost works as a trailer showing Jack. Black saying we got to leave quickly. We gotta hit the boat. We've got finding and convincing her to go. And you're all on the boat and then you get to skull island and it's the first hour of this film in like four minutes and then you're exploring the island and an hasn't been caught yet but as you just start exploring before you to the villagers there's giant insects and things attacking you and you have to shoot them and yet to solve puzzles. It's just a first person shooter. They took the worst part of the movie and made it the game. This is just turok. Dinosaur Hunter Yeah. If I love Jack I could see that. That would be fun but come on. You're right we absolutely have to be calm. We absolutely have to be calm. You get to play call. I'll think God later. You switch yes. You switch between Jacking Kong. Now it does pretty much follow the movie. I played the first couple levels. I actually installed it and played it. And it's clunky. It's a two thousand five game. You know xbox graphics and it wasn't all that fun probably rushed out. Yeah the coolest part was hearing. The actor's voices doing all these extra scenes like Jack Black going. We're it's too dark to shoot in here. Let's go someplace brighter adding all this stuff but if you beat the game and get over two hundred and fifty thousand points as I understand it. It is an old game if they're tracking points at the end of the game. You're playing King Kong against the airplanes. And if you've gotten that score and Qinghong smacks down enough airplanes. Here's what you mentioned earlier. Stewart's you jump to an alternate ending where you're Jack in a plane shooting down the other planes and saving on and then you return to skull island guy. Why couldn't they done that? We've already talked about that. But I do like that. They had the alternate ending. Were you play as Kong? Smackdown the planes and then you play his Jack. Grabbing a plane and shooting people are out. Would be disappointing. If you played this cong- and you still fell off the building. I want to win the game if I win the game. I don't want to end up dead on the pavement. No matter what do I do well you can find this game. It is on an abandoned where sites you can download the game five gigabytes for free and try it out. I tried it. It's not one I'm GONNA play. I got some in the name of the King and Dungeon Siege View Bowl stuff. I have to play to get you Bola instead of Qinghong so I'll be doing that and UNINSTALL and King Kong but I tried it out and you know if you love this movie you may enjoy exploring it further in a pretty mediocre game. No I if you want King Kong in the video game. Stick to rampage. I don't think anyone loved this movie. Again it's tough movie thoroughly love. I think that there is just so much blow here. But there are things to love innings and enough for me to say okay. But you mentioned it. We are wrapping up our King Kong. Retrospective next week is the last one we're doing until November Ke- thought Kong vs Godzilla was coming out in March. And then they pulled it and they're putting out at Thanksgiving so we're only going to do Kong Skull Island and then we're gonNA take a break and go back to. Yes the video game retrospective. Yeah there's a lot of pain coming my way and one more calm skull island next week. So Jacob Stuart. Thank you for joining me and listeners. Thanks her coming on this trip to skull island with now play. The eighth wonder of the world. Don't call let him go. He's going home. I think he's had enough what we call civilization. Thank you for listening to this now. Playing podcast movie review. It's no use the show it's over done I'm done. We hope you've enjoyed the show you own show. If you enjoyed this show. Please tell others you can help us out by leaving us. A five star review on stitcher heartbeat. I tunes we are other podcast store of choice and we want to hear more views like this one. You can find hundreds of other movie reviews at our website now playing cast dot com. Which like this. And you'll get them benching. Archives section or over eight hundred reviews assume. Listen to our hosts. Discuss HORROR SCI FI comedy action drama and more plus. You can hear views of every movie based on Marvel or DC COMICS CANDY ASS in New York. Care about this. What a new totally free movie review. Podcast is posted every Tuesday so come back each week for another new show. This island is just the beginning near more out there. What do you mean more? This will never belong to us in belongs and then the question is how long before they take it back. Call is not the only king now. Playing relies on listener support to keep operating use oppose. He knew he was saving last night. He was you to believe he was grateful. You can support now playing by joining our pod. Bean crowdfunding campaign backers can get early access to reviews unedited. Reviews exclusive shows not available anywhere else and more details are at now playing patron dot Com am released and I need you so I am going to be generous. I will let you go without a bit of trouble. And with lots of cash at our pod being sites you can also support the show by listening to any of our donation shows serious like planet of the Apes Jurassic Park Phantasm jaws and others are available for a one time contribution giving another thousand. Believe right now you haven't given me the first thousand yet. You can also donate to us directly on pay PAL. Details can be found by clicking the banner at the top of our website now playing podcast dot com might as well settled off stiff rabbit. What three hundred and seventy five more now playing reviews get the now playing book underrated movies? We recommend Arnie Stewart's Jacob. Ed Marjorie reviewed one hundred and twenty five different movies. Each getting three recommends or not recommends there was still some mystery in this world and we all have a piece of it for the price of admission taken. The book is available now and the print book will be Shipping Soon. Find details at now playing. Podcast DOT COM forward slash book? Good after all this bowing you can also follow now playing on Instagram. Facebook and twitter. They're the host post new episode announcements movie reviews and contests where you can win. Movies and soundtracks also subscribe to us on Youtube for original video content. She could be a stereotypical so now playing podcast is produced by Carvalo. I'm someone you can trust producer. Believe me I am on the level. No funny business associate produced by Jason Letham. Big Now playing is edited by Stephen. He and Arnie everybody back now. Playing credits read by Brock. Can't tell when I'm talking only about the docking undocking. Her mouth is moving. The opinions expressed anelle playing or does of the individual host and may not reflect the opinion of in Gaza media. Inc You free let us. It's really very simple then. Guns Amid Inc is not affiliated with and this podcast not been prepared approved or licensed by any entity that created the film analyzed. Here in you contact us. He wasn't there all movie clips and music included in his podcast or the intellectual property of their respective copyright holders. They are included here for the purpose of review and no infringement is intended we must not panic. If there's one thing we cannot afford it this time it is hysteria now. Playing podcast is an exclusive trademark of and may not be used without the expressed written permission of been gone. Some media. Inc WON'T TURN YOU'RE MAKING A mistake last. Got My mid kill. You'RE GONNA get us all killed off. Ice Blue Side. Are you are captive now? Playing is Johnson Media Production Copyright Twenty Twenty and no part of this show may be reproduced re purposed for redistributed without the written permission of in Gaza in Media Inc. All rights reserved do that. Climb up there and get himself Cornyn. The eight muster knows common. What does it matter f? It wasn't the it was beauty. Killed The beast enemy at the gates and I got King Kong enemy at the gates that Russian movie. I thought there's Jude Law as a Russian enemy at the gates two thousand and one war film. Yeah Rafe Ryan's brother Joseph fines and jude law. Okay okay that's okay. I remember a memorable one clearly as we struggle. Now I recall it. Does Peter Jackson himself as this Jack White character and that he's struggling with the biggest jack black or Jack Denham not jack. Why did I say Jack White? It's like they just they just did cola together. Jarrai see how everything that you're reading has no bearing on the silly fantasy full of sea monsters. That were actually experiencing. It would be like Mommy. See if I can come up with comparison. It'd be like trying to tell superman and keep bringing up. What's the WHO's the philosopher that coined the term nature? Yeah well it's not even really like that. I don't know I'd have to work on that analysis. I was GONNA say Zack. Snyder did whatever you're saying I'M GONNA but I'll just say I think I already made my point.

Peter Jackson King Kong Gorilla Kong Carl Denham Jack Black Khong Jack director New York City Empire State Building Adrian Brodie King Kong skull island Oscars King Kong Jack Driscoll Cong Naomi Arnie Stewart New Zealand
LysaN_Nov_2019

IN A CITY LIKE YOURS

43:05 min | 1 year ago

LysaN_Nov_2019

"This podcast is part of the big heads media. PODCAST network go big heads media dot com for more great podcasts rush. Aw You're you are listening to in a city like yours. A semi monthly podcast featuring interesting people with interesting life stories. This podcast may contain contain language and or subject matter not suitable for all audiences listener discretion is advised. I'm your host Michael. GM will aw please visit our website at in a city like yours dot com. That's I in a cit Y.. L. E. Y. O. U. R. S. DOT COM Jio in for links to our social media all popular podcast platforms in links of interest pertaining to all episodes on this episode. We here from Lisa. Who is a successful photographer? In Los Angeles. California Lisa tells her early interest in acting and music along with the more esoteric world automatic rituals. Eventually she would move into the realm of photography which she stumbled upon the studio of Harry. Langdon photography and found inspiration barechested photography to move her life for after our word from our sponsor Lisa shares her story and we get to hear one of her songs titled Transcending Featuring Richard Hardy on flu. Stay tuned for Lisa's story support for inner city. Like yours comes from manscaping. Who is the best? In Men's below the belt grooming manscaping offers precision engineered tools for your family jewels. Listen Up untrimmed cubes are a thing of the past. It's time to gear up and get yourself a gift of shaving this holiday season and I'm talking about the manscaping perfect package two point. Oh this Revolutionary Company manscaping has redesigned the electric trimmer. It's also waterproof. So you can use it in the shower the lawnmower two point. Oh comes inside the perfect package. which makes it the perfect gift this holiday season? Tis The season to manscaping. So get yourself your dad your brother your friends. The Best Gift of all demand scape perfect package two point join. Oh get twenty percent off plus free shipping with the code big heads at MANSCAPING DOT com. Your balls will thank you. That's B. I G. The H. E. A. D. S.. This is a call to action. Fellas get twenty percent off and free shipping with the code big heads at MANSCAPING DOT com. That's twenty percent off and free shipping at MANSCAPING DOT com. Use The code big heads. Clean up your nuts and make Santa proud issue Hello my name is Lisa Nalen and I am an artist from Los Angeles shoeless and the artist journey for me has been a very winding one. Actually but you know people used I always say to me you have to pick one thing and I never really understood that because everything seem to evolve along the way I mean it all started with music definitely Nibley. 'cause I mean I have video of me. You know on the groove in my diaper so I kinda always had that natural all affinity to music plus. My Dad really loved the Beatles so I kind of grew up on that to how could you not have an appreciation for music having been teed on on the Beatles but I don't know I was always kind of supposed to go into psychology so I was always a study of human character and always always understood it and always knew how to problem shoot. I was kind of like the peanuts character. Lucy doctor is in five cents. From the time I had a phone. People would call me call in to ask advice because I have a very wide perspective on things and I can. I mean I do get emotional of course because that's the evolution of a girl. I think I've definitely outgrown that by now but I definitely can see the big picture and so I thought naturally I was just going to go into psychology but then I got derailed. When and I went on I was in a dance class with Bob? Banus of all people he is he was one of the jets. Let's in a with that Greece Greece. No not not increase story. Thank you west side story like he was an original and so he taught me he just had such as love of dance so I completely got into that and then I got my first Gig on Robert Downey junior and Kim Richards I like adult film thing called Tuff Turf. I was a dancer on that. We had rehearsals for a couple of weeks. It was so much fun it it was just the most fun I've ever had my life really not really close anyway so then I got into USC. And I was GONNA goes like I should air quotes and I got into this dance company and it was just I allow. It opened my eyes to the arts so much and I saw the power in the arts. I thought okay if I'm a shrink I'm talking to two people one person for fifteen years. We could go around in circles. 'cause I can't tell my opinion but with the arts you can educate you can go. Hey No don't don't think of yourself because look at this you know and so I thought naturally well we could do films and music and all of these nice things that bring people up in self esteem and so I really delved into it. I got into the Theater Department apartment at USC. And I danced on the Greek theater and the shrine in the Hollywood bowl and you know and then that led into Hollywood Hollywood and it was funny because I started off nonunion extra rate and I am a I land land up on my first film standing next to Meryl Streep my hero and Shirley maclaine and Rob Reiner for in all of these amazing people around me exactly where I would like to have been mcnichols and so I'm on the set. I'm like so happy I'm young wearing trendy outfit and walking around and all of a sudden I look up at Meryl Streep comes out of her dressing room room of the stairs off a trailer and she's dressed exactly like me and I look at her and she looks at me and I looked down at myself. I'm like how did that happen. And we're twins and then I get this tap on my shoulder from wardrobe. Add to change so they put me in ugly gray sweatshirt I've just playing a PA When set but I still I got you know right in with my heroes? So that was kind of fun thing and That was for postcards from the edge and then I got like two body double for Sally Field in Soapdish and I really you know I got a gun to a bunch commercials. I was in like every beer commercial somewhere in that bar. Somewhere dancing around. I was in that in the ninety s Miller Bud light all of it. We had a great time. It was a really great day job to have instead of waiting tables. You know for a while but you know you keep wanting to a Move Up and there was definitely like a massage anything happening. I mean undeniable that you know you could. There was definitely a glass ceiling and for girl in one of those things it was on your knees and that was not going to happen homey. Don't play that you so I just I had to keep evolving right and then I remember I net Alicia Silverstone and and Nicest girl beautiful lovely sweet girl. And I saw this poster of her and it said clueless under her face and I thought God she's so not Kalisz and I love her and I hate that that's how people are perceiving. Her realized power word so I said well what do I WANNA have under my my face and I thought truth so I started writing poetry and songs with with lyrics that I felt had meaning. You know in my my younger perspective and I think I still stand by him. I totally stand by him. 'cause I was really exploring other things other within like all my friends were getting married and stuff I was. I was doing chamonix ritual and traveling to Esselin and making ban and joining trump circles and really kind of exploring the world and cultures and traveling and road trips and I. I don't know it was a great time. It really was and it definitely evolved me more. I could kind of feel like I can drift in and out of any the culture and feel comfortable because I can completely empathize with it and I was honored and being able to participate in it being dumped medicine and women being dubbed in the Peruvian Schwab cars and the Rubel e Fa tribe and all of these wonderful people so I did stint in music started writing music but it was kind of the same glass ceiling in that too and But while I was trying to do that I I you know I had to do it an album cover and photograph my band and then do a music music video so I taught myself how to do all these things right. You know I just got online. I got a book. I got a tutor and I just focused. And so I'm able to shoot and edit and video and stills but it was still a rough ride ride financially so you know I was kind of having this kind of crisis because I I got injured I really couldn't Dance so much professionally and I was you know not really the hot. You know chick on you know anymore so to speak. I mean I'm more mature now that you know once you hit a certain age they will back then it was really really misogynistic now. It's definitely better. Thank God because now I have wisdom you know so I was Kinda down I was. ooh ooh it was. It was a really bad time. Because we're you where you're supposed to go few. He won't play a certain game. And you've been doing this in you. Have this vision your whole Oh life and spent your education on it so Olsen. I'm walking around and I see this plaque on the waltzes. Mrs Harry Langdon Photography and it was these golden gates that were open and this marble staircase that went up and Dan. I walked up and I walked into this like twenty foot ceiling studio and this little guy sitting behind these few computers on the phone and he gives me the hold at one minute sign and I'm like okay and he's like well he's leaving a message. Let me know if you're available on Saturday. I've got to shoot nine. Needs some assistance. Thank you call me back by and I raised my and I'm like I'm available on Saturday. And so he's been my mentor and Partner and associate now for the last fifteen years and what's interesting about. Harry Langdon is that he is part of that generation that completely built this city like his father worked with Charlie Chaplin in silent films. He was a silent film star. Are Harry Langdon senior and so- junior over here who's now eighty five and still kicking it. Wild he opened a studio uh-huh and his first client was from Max factor and Margaret. And then he shot the rat. Pack and George Clooney Halle Ali Berry Reagan. Like his list of famous photos. Like the Donna. Summer covers on the radio and Diana. Ross Ross and I mean I could just go on and the list of iconic photos. And he's just the nicest person and he taught me these wonderful full creative gifts so it's just been this whole whirlwind of now I know how to express myself completely with if the lighting and how I want people posed and kind of mood or setting an hauer trying to bring out that person's personality so it's just kind of been this evolution of the arts for me in something. You said that interested me was that you did toiletry. Would you be willing to read something. Oh well sure oh sure we can take. We can take a minute if you need to find find it. I'm just thinking because the one that I turned into one of my first songs songs I kind of know it's called transcending fear and if the people got together at sunset every today to watch the changing spectrum and have their troubles melt away into the night just for a moment it would all feel all right just believe in in our dreams watching our own light. Transcending fear transcending and sending years transcending tears transcending here the Beatles said come together they said let it be. I think we've lost our understanding of what that really means it's to be free. Is What what we all need from our fears and our hurts. Everyone has their own gift. Everyone has their own worst. Transcending fear transcending years transcending tears transcending ending right here. We're all sitting around a circle like a starry campfire night. Each one from our own perspective active sharing stories of our lives and through the light. We all are listening because we all like to be heard word everyone seeing from a new place everyone has their own worth. Everyone has their own worth transcending. Fear transcending years transcending transcending tears transcending right here Hey that's good The EH I think. Yeah Yeah and There now because we all live Man Yeah And then And I had the honor of having Richard Hardy do fleet on that track track when I turned it into a song and I still feel it has meaning 'cause they still believe that we all do want the same aimed things and if we all do come together in that understanding and stop fighting with one each other like on these silly shows the housewives and these paradise trips with the Bachelors and the Bachelorettes and having no meaning to it I think people are losing that real depth of connection that would make them feel secure. So that's kind of what the album I did. Truth turned into. That was good I want to ask you. Are there any photographers that like Robert Mapplethorpe for Richard Avid Don. Or some of the the big names Ames's you to look to other than your mentor that you look to when you're creating. Oh I'm very inspired by all of those people but you know what I've really been delving into for Inspiration is either going coming. I know this is funny into the retail shops and seeing the colors that people are being drawn to and getting inspiration from that and then delving into the master paintings and trying to emulate that like. I really have this project coming up that I want to do so badly. I just my little model is young and hard to pin down but I wanted to feel yet and they want her floating in the water water and I wanted you environmental kind of magical shots outside now. I've mastered Photoshop. I can kind of put them anywhere anywhere. But getting that feel of them floating in water and fabrics and water. And doing you know something that gives that Painter Lee feeling see you have an emotion when you feel the photo. That's why I've been using you know kind of side side light on even on women usually that's kind of a more masculine light. But but I just want to be do these two different styles. When that's just moody I just want to capture with the phone? Everybody's shooting and everything and Yeah now you can get even nice life but getting that low light that intimate moment captured candlelight or you you know a guitarist on stage when that light is just back lighting him and giving him a halo or just all of that really moody stuff is kind of what. I've been focused focused arm lately. I did a lot of older rockstars last year which was so great. Those guys they just keep getting better they really do you get that seasoned but you have the photography. It's I wanNA start doing. More artistic mark more like cover stories kind of things. I'd love to do stuff magazine or but I love also the last last few years before this I had the greatest opportunity I was working. I had the studio down in Newport beach. I know you're in a different state but newport beaches this really beautiful place and but its way out of Hollywood. So it's people that are really not involved in the industry at all and what's Great. Great about that is. These women are so beautiful. They don't always see that 'cause the girls have kind of been raised to be a little insecure about themselves and so I had the opportunity to show these women their iconic selves like the studio was set up so perfectly ahead. These lights on wheels wheels rolling. It set set up already. That were just beautifully done and you know I got a light them. I gotta be with with them one on one and show them in camera as we were going how beautiful they looked. I mean we'd have makeup done. You know to to the hilt so they will always see their best self. They'll always have that image in their mind of how really beautiful they are and it doesn't matter what their ages are sizes it's so much that thing about capturing the spirit that the Indians talked about is so true you catch the moment and you can feel that moment forever. Every time you look at that photograph you get that smile or every time you hear that lick in the guitar when we're recording and Mike soobee would do this lick and we'd be like whoo in the behind the glass and then every time we listened to it back anywhere we were. We felt that same joy and that is so much the beauty of the arts and why everyone should push to find their passionate in it. Because if it's painting or sculpting or music or lighting or art direction for interiors I mean whatever expression you have it it makes you feel your strongest self and then it adds so much to humanity and it makes you feel happier. All these kids are so depressed. And we hear about these opioids in these people just struggling just to find any joy in life and it really is a muscle that has to be practiced and we're so taught schools to not like ourselves to not. Oh my thighs are too big or my lips aren't being enough for whatever it is 'cause we're all variants of the same stuff and there's always going to be a little something different about everyone but there's so much that is a like and if we can recognize that in each other and then we support just because you're painting it doesn't mean I shouldn't be painting. We all could be painting all the birds saying. Would you only GonNa pick out two birds. That can sing. No everyone express breasts. There'll be so much more happiness and joy you have to work joy like you do a by set because it is our brains work where these as you know synapses come together and form patterns and you have to Repeat Repeat Repeat Repeat to make that patterns stick with you for life. That's why you never forget. Forget how to ride a bike. So if you practice joy if you practice even when you're not feeling it find your animal and just love on your animal into your heart comes back to life and keep practicing that and find your passion with in your art and how you express it and find that and and keep practicing that and then build all of these brain patterns that Meek you the best strongest human you can be in. Our society would be amazing at this point with what we can do now. I mean people I think something and it shows shows up on my phone and I know that scary and a lot of ways but I'm like thank God. Somebody's listening right. But it's I don't know it's it's it's great rate because all of these things that we thought were jetsons are reality a phone in your hand with video that you can go anywhere and show anybody anybody. How beautiful this mountain scene is or the beach or when an incredible thing the world is getting so connected and we're on this little rock in space? Why are we not working together for the little short time that we're here it's like a hundred years we get and then we have to go on to something else so I would just like to see? That's why I got into the arts in the first place. 'cause I thought you know there is neuro linguistic programming in our brains if we practice something we can make happen if I've got a song on the Radio Radio or an animation on TV or a TV show or a film and they're seeing it. These kids are seeing it over and over and that thought gets into their brain they keep thinking those positive things about themselves. What is that GONNA do? It's only going to evolve and raise the height and beauty of humanity and if we all all practise that because there scientific proof to it. There's no doubt in my mind anymore. It's proven that's how you change things. You don't break a habit you start a new habit and you choose that habit just like you would choose what you wear today. Choose what you're going to think today And that's how we can strengthen our whole global community. I think all right everybody on the train all aboard you snooze you lose by my Lou back say you get off the train. Don't let him on okay all right. Listen here greenhorn. I'm GonNa teach you everything you need to know about how to conduct a podcast. First thing you need to know is never stay on topic ever Sir. What you want people are complaining about the movie still? I don't care feed them. Trust to sleep or something get them off my back. Happy Sir. It says in the book that you need to stay on topic as the book Greenhorn. The book was written by dinosaurs. Second thing you need to know is never report news. That's not at least who three weeks old sir. What you what? People are complaining about the POKEMON. Go update date. I don't care just Jack Him something. Shut them up on it Sir What do you want green on. I think train might be going off the rail. That's exactly how we run this show. This is the crazy train of thought. PODCAST brought to you by the idiot savant. Find this any way you listen to podcasts. WWW DOC crazy train of thought DOT com. Let's go back a second for bacteria photography. I was curious Do you film exclusively digital or do you also use a you know I am a digital girl I am a digital girl in the digital world. I I you know was a performer. Before and I did not go to the other side until I had that injury so in that just so happen happen to be around the turn of that invention to digital which was great because it was cost prohibitive for a long time time. It was really expensive for the lab cost. And you didn't know what you're getting when you were first starting out but digital and I can turn digital and now now that I there's photoshop which is God. I Love Photoshop. Adobe rules you could really create any feeling feeling you want you know I know my lighting and I know all the poses and I know how to bring out. Some someone's greatness greatness but photoshop allows me to communicate completely if I wanted to look more blurry like the skin usually you know. That's that's what was beautiful about film like made the skin looks so smooth and everything and then digital kinda harder lines but you can alter that and it's not a fake. It's just softening it. It's the way you choose to see the depth of field of something ordinance self. Oh I definitely agree with that. You can change change the whole meaning of something with the net or you can you can complete look what they do on those. TV shows you watch how they build suspense. It's on nothing. No I'm starting to do blogs and that's my problem is how to get from this point to the next point same right right right. Well that's why you know that's the whole beauty of of Video though right because you have music and then you have You can dissolve you know in between and that gives it a whole other. Feel to you know the transitions. Because because isn't that transition. It's just like in dance you know. How's IT GONNA look? I do a pod. Brain appear wet. But you know if I do it smoothly or if I stop in the middle or you know all the edits in between the cuts change the whole meaning of the dance changed the whole meaning of the film own everything so I could take like an old photograph and make it look like it was shot yesterday. You know so there's a lot of freedom in that and it's really in the long run about getting the message out that you're trying to say in your head or discovering it along the way that's another way too right like when you're painting or sculpting doesn't though the medium sometimes tell you what to make absolutely When not work I am? I do two different ways from painting. I'll just start. If doing sculpture. I will go over every step in my head before. Actually start doing sculpture so two different things. They're out walking so anal the sculpture. But I'm not with painting because paint. You're kind kind of adding and sculpting. You're taking things away. Aren't you will work in pay per se saw a built surfaces. Oh Wow would of the paper and metal title and rusty objects and things like that but that's the beauty of the work isn't it. It's like that's exactly why you put out the expression weather you don't judge it. Don't edit it just put out what you are because you don't know who you're inspiring to do something else. You're part of the evolution of the whole thing that's such that's the beauty of it. You know being fearless not caring not judging it. I mean. Of course it's all about carrying because you're expressing but you know to be inspired by somebody that you see their work and then you're like God yes you resonate with it so much that you want to emulate need it and then you always put your own spin on it. That's evolution microcosm so. What does evolution have in store for Lisa? You know that is such a good question. I don't know now that it feels safer to go back in the waters. Sometimes I want to go back and try my hand handed acting again. 'cause I'm still kind of funny and and plus I could always be the. Where's the beef lady? Eventually you know I don't know if you never that ours eh right so it's endless now. I don't have to quit at thirty you now. But but with the photography got a really I am I wanna I wanNA shoot more people. I love the portrait thing I love it. I have my own little studio in my home that I can always go to that. I've been doing local branding materials for people or their product shots and kind of helping little businesses get going lyng and doing beauty stuff for the women and family like generational stuff with the kids and the MOMS and such and so I've been doing a little bit of everything and casting a very wide net. I would love to travel someplace and photograph in other locations and and get the flavor of those other cities or countries or wherever of her and I don't know I'm kind of just allowing it to flow right now. Let one of those crossroads again. That Green Day sing so beautifully out and I'm trying to see you know what's coming up with with the Internet and all this podcasting and flogging and the whole world's Kinda opening up in a whole new way I just feel like there's in other things that are coming. That are on the way if I can sit tight long enough. They'll gravitate and in the meantime I'm just GonNa keep shooting thing and I also that's other one thing I know I keep I keep revolving donate. It's so funny when I say it out loud to people because there's so many different things they have my hand in but I've taken some of my landscapes and architecture and beautiful. You know the flowers we had this year after the fires hires was just amazing and Putting those printing them onto fabrics as scarves and wraps and So coming up with a product as well that can put out in the market and putting it on this beautiful cotton. These big you know. They can wear Miss Perot's or wraps or scarves scarfs depending on the season and they have these photographs like I have one of the wildfire flowers in Malibu and I have a sunset and set off a two Panga and the city lights of L. A.. And I did one in New York. I flew to New York. I got one of the bridge and the city on the water. And just just it's just a whole other expression of you know kind of wearable. Art Wound up some of them wound up at the Getty Museum and at Ron Robinson at Fred Segal and Co hotel to Coronado. I did a series four and all these really lovely hotels like the Mirror Volun- the monarch and such such and I also did my most fascinating one really was Koko the gorilla she was the only guerrilla that learned how to speak sign-language unfortunately passed away this year. I said she was a big fan of Mister Rogers. And we Alvin Williams. Oh you know who. I'm talking about. Love excited some people don't know who she she is and I'm like she's profound. She was telling them that we are nature and we need to get it together like the gorilla was telling us this so she he was a painter and she painted these beautiful things like she saw. Okay get this is opinion totally appreciate this. This gorilla was brought down by a river and decided to paint the river and the pink. Flowers should call the pink pink stink. Nice drink nice drinking the water water and she made these these beautiful paintings of that and you can see what it was and then she did one of loved that looks like a heart with red hadn't with pink and orange and so I for the Gorilla Foundation. I put those on scarves for her so that they can sell them and I sell them on my site too so that To add because now nimby. I don't know how to pronounce that quite right but I'm her friend is just going off to the Cincinnati Zoo since she passed away and so they still need to keep him going for a while so but that was another another really wonderful thing I was able to do with. You're totally appreciate that if you go on my site. RECENT ALIEN DOT COM L. Y. S. A. N. A. L. A. N. dot com. You'll see I have a whole thing for her that I'm giving proceeds when someone buys it I give a percentage to the foundation but Yeah that was so. That's another thing I've been up to two. That's and that's another part of my evolution to because I really love Having a product other than a service all the time you know so I can actually go make personal ones for people. If they have an event I can you know. Photograph their flowers or where they are or for marketing purposes. You know something. That represents a company. So I've been doing that as well. Some kind of casting this very wide net right now. All of these things kind of come together and I love him

Lisa Nalen Harry Langdon Beatles Hollywood Los Angeles Meryl Streep Richard Hardy USC California manscaping New York MANSCAPING DOT GM Partner and associate Michael stuff magazine L. E. Y. O. U. R. Alicia Silverstone Gorilla Foundation
The Motorsports Drop: 2/5/20

The Down and Dirty Show

02:54 min | 1 year ago

The Motorsports Drop: 2/5/20

"Time I Leoni. This is the motor sports source for the latest and greatest match motor sports news results. And more here's your update for Wednesday February fifth. The Apparent fulltime grid for the twenty twenty t indycar series is officially set as is AJ. foyt racing finally confirmed its plans on road courses in its flagship number fourteen car. Sebastian Bar Day will run four times this year at Saint Peter's bird God farther long beach and Portland. Rookie Dalton Kellet makes the step up after four years of indy. Lights to complete schedule. Tony Kanaan already announced that he'll focus this on rubles only for the team as his final indycar series that links only the part time rides up for grabs a twenty twenty with numerous indy. Five hundred only entries still tailable for drivers James Hinchcliffe and Fernando Alonso. One more one off ride materialized. Just this morning is raining supercars. Champion Scott McLaughlin. offline will make his indycar debut for team penske in this year's G. M. Grand Prix in Indianapolis mcglaughlin has thirty five wins and forty four polls over the past three three seasons of supercar action for DJ. Our team penske can be the strong impression in a surprise test in the car in Cebu. The announcement expands the pence lineup. The five cars ars for the race with Elliot. Castro Neves also joining full-timers Joseph New Garden Row Power and Simon Passion after some concern over unseasonably warm conditions rally. Sweden has been confirmed to go ahead as the second round of the Twenty Twenty World Rally Championship but fans of some of the most iconic stages the disappointed the heavily revised itinerary includes two days Norway and drop some of the most familiar portions of the event including Collins Crest. This year's route we'll total roughly a hundred and twelve miles defending WRC champion. Tannock is last year's win. In the world of Sports Coca Cola jumps on board is the title sponsor of the Nascar Coca Cola. I racing series replacing Guinea freeze for twenty twenty and beyond Twenty Race Championship. We'll see more than three three hundred thousand dollars up for grabs with the final six races of the season shown on NBC SF teams and forty drivers will compete for the headline hundred two thousand dollar Champions Prize including Jim beaver sports with drivers. Michael Gorilla and Eric J Smith. The season kicks off on February eleventh at nine PM Eastern at Daytona and will be streamed live on Nascar an Ira Simpson's champs. That's all for this edition of the motorsports drop things for listening joining and be sure to rate review and subscribe until next time. I own race.

twenty twenty penske Tony Kanaan Dalton Kellet Nascar Castro Neves James Hinchcliffe Sebastian Bar Fernando Alonso Portland Joseph New Garden Row Power Ira Simpson Jim beaver Michael Gorilla Elliot WRC Indianapolis Daytona Saint Peter NBC
DBO: Would You Rather with Mackin, Molly and Sasha!

The Big Ones

21:52 min | 9 months ago

DBO: Would You Rather with Mackin, Molly and Sasha!

"The Production Maria. I'm Amanda and this is Your Day your daily Bonus episode today we have the beautiful molly hockey me and we're going to be playing. Yes Molly you and we're going to be playing the game that you that America can't stop talking about that's right. Would you rather rather and we have two big ones listeners. Joining US Maria. What are their names? We've got Sasha golden her and mackin. I think it's mackin. Carol mackin Carol Mac and Carol Carol Mac Napkin. Mac K. I N. Oh my God doggy Mac on like a high so nice to meet you guys. How do you say your name Mac in Mac and you nailed it like Mac and cheese? Wow we have a whole audio setup I do. I'm such a big fan of you guys. This is a dream. Come true hockey. She's been on I do. I'm a big Fan. I'm so excited. Thank you where are you mackin? I'm in my home in Echo Park. Oh her hi. Sasha and says Mac in Russia and this is molly and Mac Sasha where are you coming in from Huntsville Alabama? Oh what was that disappeared? Sorry he fell into his video back on. Sasha we got RA is. We're GONNA play a fun game of would you rather but before we do. We want to get to know you guys a little more so me and ask the questions you asked to get to know them. Oh about what they do or what they do for fun. Okay yeah okay. So I'll start with mackin What's tell us a fun? Fact about yourself that okay I tell us what your career is. If you have one no pressure and then tell us a fun fact. That has something that we would never know about you from. Look you'd never expect boil. I'm a musician And my fun fact is that I am playing dungeons and dragons during the Corinthian. And it's my favorite thing ever wall. I'm playing with some friends of friends that I met Like through where I went to school and but I don't really know them from music so I just Kinda know them from. I've spent more time with them playing in character than I have in real life and so it's a very interesting experience but saw over video chat. Well that's great. Sasha the questions this Alabama boy got going on I work for a deferment contracting company and that I don't want to go any further. It'll be weird. I can't go into it. Can we say that? He's saying he's an Alabama in. He's armed rocking chair. Rocking Chair on port. I'd like to okay in a fun fact that no one fun fact. You've never told they used to retain as you said you'd take it to the grave you do for a living. It's cost analysis. I don't tell many people that wow radars and stuff so you guys getting this much. Okay your deepest darkest secret. May I per- Jean Shorts today? I'll hell yes yes valium. Those are Nice. Gams lovely gams everyone. What makes everyone? Let's get to get to the needed. A story okay. Let's play a game. Would you Her okay. I'm Eddie you ask. I don't know where mind went. Okay so this one is going to Sasha. Would you rather be trapped in a small room with ten thousand Tarantulas for ten minutes or eat ten Tarantulas in ten minutes? Faith I WANNA eat them you want to. I'd rather eat them a bit. I've gotten bit right here by Brown recluse. Oh my God looming brow. You ended it by ear pointing to his cross. Swayed bugs camping or something and got black. Oh my bad my your immune so you can eat. Spiders mackin mackin. You laugh like this when you're listening to the PODCAST. One hundred percent. My roommate's think I'm crazy. I walk around headphones. Just like okay Mac. And this one's for you okay. Okay would you rather have another? Would you rather be? Would you rather have everyone you know? Be able to read your thoughts or for Everyone. You know to have access here. Internet history Was the difference these days. I'M GONNA say Internet history. I'M GONNA say Internet history because look if it's on my Internet history. It's been in my thoughts you know and so it's either like some of my thoughts are all of my thoughts so I think the Internet history is like I more privacy for me to be able to see your Internet history instead of be able to read your thoughts. Yes yeah I would too do you think in this universe that you can clear your Internet history know and also I is it. Do they have all your thoughts all the time or they can just choose to tune into your thoughts? You can hear them all the time like a live feed. Oh Gosh I'm going. I'm going Internet history. Yeah that's easy. That's an easy. Yeah that's a good. That's the right one Malia you have one oh yeah yeah. Yeah this one's for what who's it for anyone can be for you. Maria. Anyone okay three so Maria would you rather have four hands or four feet forehands not even forearms? Yeah I would say four hands because there. I could do a lot of cool stuff. I could play piano really well. I could make a lot of things in the kitchen. Sure yes shadow Po. My God I hope so. Yeah I definitely stay hands although more pricey for the Mittens. I'd have okay. Here's one for Molly Molly. This is kind of a mind meld. Irs So pay attention. Would you rather never be able to open a closed door or never be able to close an open door we ever be able to open a closed-door or never what or never be able to close an open door? I never be able to close an open door because I would always wonder about the opportunity behind that closed door. Curiosity killed the cat. Molly I mean am I. Am I off here? What do you guys think no? I think you're right because if you could never opened a door you could never leave the house unless someone came over with or do you lived with somebody reverse vampire rules although if you you taking literally well. I mean it is is it. I wasn't thinking about it literally at all. You're thinking about it like opportunities. Yeah or just like like open like closing relationship closing a door on that part of my life. You weren't thinking like that. And now I think its littoral door. Okay let me think about it differently. Then okay open a closed-door never be able to open a closed-door never close wants to come back to always going be lying awake tonight. Maybe I can text that to the guy I was talking about earlier. Yeah Molly's you guys. Molly has a crush. Should she television she should? She opened up her heart opened. The doors forever. Yeah she should go little crush crush for real. What if what if their lives will never be the same if she does it. What if she's not ready to hear from the Porch in Huntsville Alabama Amanda? This is a good one. This is honestly almost made me cry. When I read it. Read it okay. Would you rather Amanda mean of the absolute best at something that no one takes seriously or beaten average at something well respected? Wow so this to remind you one that I just read. Which was would you rather be the Best Yoyo? Were in the world or get a bronze medal at the Olympics. Oh that's an easy one. Rather be the best at Something that no one cares about. I am how what is it. Yeah I think I think it's cool to be the best at something. No one cares about because you care about it. Yeah so yeah I am. I'm already the other one mediocre at a Lotta stuff and it's a fine but you could maybe get a medal if you're the best at something even if it's stupid okay Sasha this one's for you okay. Would you rather be an Assam? The apocalypse or a robot apocalypse Yhombi probably just go old. You'd want somewhere cold kinder's Ambi- is not survive in the cold. I don't think so. I've never heard that before grinding down jackets. And they freeze gone executive Annette. They're like they're not they don't need A. I'm typing this. I hope this is their weakness. I think you have to shoot zombies in the brain to kill them. I think they get in the cold out. Just like they wouldn't have any means to warm themselves. They would just breeze right. Many existing theories suggested Zombie. Blood must flow through the body in some manner and this was written by someone named Sasha Golden. What's Zik scared? I she observed that is okay. So I guess they're talking about glass so protein depresses the freezing temperature of blood sufficiently. This is able to know therefore they were. I mean they will not be able to wouldn't wouldn't a robot frees up in the cold to rust. Yeah go somewhere humid and rainy. But okay okay okay. How would you rather have one last day to live with the ability to say goodbye to everyone but not much else more? Do everything you've ever wanted but not have time to say goodbye to everything I've ever wanted in one day. One day I guess in one day Do I do I get to do any of that with anybody or is that just by myself? I think just by yourself so have a very fun day by myself or get to say goodbye to everyone but it has to be one of us on missing this. I think if I can bring someone I would rather like have a bunch of really fun activities on my last day. What would you do in one day? Bungee jump Maybe that's how you die. Gosh Oh maybe yeah. Maybe that's Now that I'm thinking about it it would I would probably want to say goodbye to people and just have like one last one last one less zoom. Yeah it's gotTa be my last day all all zooms all holidays zooms question. Probably Goodbyes. Go ahead and that's a good one. Man is perfect for you. Would you rather have diarrhea on a plane? That's six hours long or be stuck next next to someone who does serve. I think stuck next to someone who does because also it's like they would go. Diarrhea wouldn't be having diarrhea. Pants are the ones that they were going diary. Either you up to go diarrhea pants or the person you're sitting next to us to go diarrhea but I think I'd rather honestly have the person next to me. Go down because that's hard to recover from. Yeah Yeah I think I don't know who can think you as you well know. Go Diarrhea. Mommy mom would you rather you'RE GONNA love? Would you rather have billy eyelashes future or Madonna's legacy Future wow burn door open. Because you're just saying she has so much ahead of her and Madonna has so much behind her. I don't know I just never really been into Madonna songs. I'm not really into Billy Irish songs but I think she's Kinda cool. I don't know all right engine. Does anyone have one out. Well how are we doing lost and we all answer it? Okay okay I think I have one would well. This one's kind of stupid actually. Does anyone have a good one. I have one for Maria. I don't know if I'm allowed to ask or worse. This is when I ask a lot of people and I'm wondering it's Okay You. Would you rather have a little tiny dog that fits in your hand and you have to keep it on your person at all times and beat off to feed it or anything but it's constantly screaming very quietly like always making noise all day or once a day? This is the other thing. Once a day a guerilla into the room wherever you are grabs your hand and for two full minutes screaming as loud as it can and you get to pick the time of day but it has to be the same time every day. I want the puppy. You want tiny dog always. That's always a good choice. People this this is my. It's not my Go-to I'd just make the rounds on. Podcast asking this question. I'll answer that one. I'm going to go gorilla really. Yeah question to guerrilla. What time what time would you have that guerrilla? Come IN MORNING. Maybe two week in the morning. Yeah before things get started because I never know where I'm going to be at seven PM. Two minutes I think I can handle that. I think really for me and I would do it at like one thirty pm to get me out of my after lunch slump. No Good Sasha. I'd probably get to like me out the gorilla. I can't the whole screaming constantly would really irritate me. Thank me but it'd be something Bargin in scaring me all the time you're expecting it. It's the same time every day right doesn't matter when I'm expecting a delivery her war. I'm still scared out of my boots when the rang Mac. And what's your answer? I think I gotTa do the gorilla and I think I gotta do like. I like a two PM. I like what I think and I can't you know 'cause I don't maybe I'm sleeping in that I want to have that option Let's let's get back to business. Mike Gorilla friend is here. It would be hard if you were at work or something or say onset but I guess if you knew ahead of time you just you would just have to tell everyone. Listen I need like a middle way calcium and drive on if you're on set. What was that? Sasha hard guerrilla coming to guys this has been illuminating? It's been electrifying drian illustrious and thanks so much for being on you guys dream come true thank you so much thank you. It's so nice and fans come on. It's so nice to have the greatest of all time. Thank you so much for making amazing things all the time. You guys are great I area.

Mac Sasha Molly Molly Maria diarrhea Mac Huntsville Alabama Amanda Carol Mac Carol Carol Mac US hockey Echo Park Sasha Golden Alabama America Mike Gorilla Jean Shorts Irs Russia
S4: Roaring 20s: The Gorilla Man Pt. 2: Earle Leonard Nelson

Parcast Presents: Summer of '69

44:46 min | 1 year ago

S4: Roaring 20s: The Gorilla Man Pt. 2: Earle Leonard Nelson

"If you enjoy these episodes on the gorilla man Earl Leonard Nelson and want to dig. Deeper into history's most notorious. Torius murderers be sure to check out our serial killers. podcast catch a rare glimpse into their minds methods and madness every Monday. Follow serial serial killers free on spotify or every. Listen to podcasts. Due to the graphic nature of this killer's his crimes listener. Discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of murder and assault that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for for children under thirteen in May of nineteen twenty one. The San Francisco Police Department Harpin received a frantic call from a young man named Charles Summers Junior his little sister Mary had been attacked. He tried to fight off the assailant. But the man was too strong now the crazed maniac ran loose on the streets and unpredictable bloodthirsty beast who threatened button all who crossed his path. The police moved quickly and efficiently throughout the streets of San Francisco. They had gotten the description a large white white man with a dark complexion long arms and sizeable hands he had fled on foot. He had to be nearby. They scoured the roads looking everywhere they could two hours into the hunt and officers spotted the attacker sitting calmly on a trolley. The officer Sir Rush To stop the vehicle when he climbed on board he saw the monster's face scratched and bleeding little. Mary had done a good job defending herself off. She'd marked this man as guilty. The officers were determined to lock him up for good. But they would fail Earl Leonard Nelson's Alston's reign of violence had only just begun. Hi I'm Greg Olsen this is serial killers apar- cast original every Monday we dive into the Mindset Madness of serial killers. This is our second episode on Earl. Leonard Nelson the man infamously known as the guerrilla killer or gorilla. Man I'm here with my co host. Vanessa Richardson Hi. Everyone you can find episodes of serial killers killers and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream serial killers for free on spotify. Just open the APP and in type serial killers in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook book and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. And if you enjoyed today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review. Wherever you're listening? It really does help last week. We covered the early life. And I attack of the guerrilla killer Earl Nelson reputed to have abnormally in long arms and unusually large hands. Earl roam the United States and Canada strangling unsuspecting landladies in their own homes. This week we'll cover the series of killings that made him one of the most prolific murderers of the early twentieth century during his seventeen months spree. He he managed to slaughter least twenty one women and one in five in child by nineteen twenty one twenty four year old Earl Leonard Nelson had lived a short but troubled life life. He'd been orphaned. He'd suffered too traumatic brain injuries and he had spent multiple years behind bars. He had committed many petty crimes but in May of nineteen twenty one. His behavior escalated from minor theft. Two Major Violence Tom after walking past a home in peering into its basement windows earl spotted a twelve year old girl named Mary. Summers Earl entered the house. I'll send attempted to strangle Mary but he was chased off by her older brother. Charles Junior two hours later earl was captured by the police and taken to jail. While some sources claim that url spent his first night in jail plucking out his eyebrow hairs and screaming about faces in the walls the the judicial system soon realized that url wasn't escaped inmate of Napa State Psychiatric Hospital given his clearly impaired mental state court. Psychiatrists evaluated him a second time declaring him restless violent dangerous excited and depressed. The courts deemed him a danger to to the public and recommitted him to Napa State Hospital even though he had escaped that same hospital. Three times before upon readmission the hospital psychiatrists declared Urwah Constitutional Psychopath with outbreaks of psychosis his visions and delusions had greatly worsened since his last hospital. Stay he also presented a clear. Wanderlust that the hospital's psychiatrists called nomadic dementia menchaca. Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here and throughout the episode please note. Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or a psychiatrist but she has done a lot of research for this show. Thanks Greg while the term nomadic dementia is not commonly used today in nineteen twenty one. It referred to a lack geico inhibition in the nomadic instinct. That was believed to be common. In mankind a nineteen fifteen paper titled the feebly inhibited nomadism Baptism or the wandering impulse with special reference to heredity. Declared that the wandering instinct is in man fundamental and basic nick within the average person. This instinct is repressed where there is good reason why it should be among constitutional mental inferiors on the other hand the conditions may be underdeveloped and such persons show a constant roving tendency in other words doctors at the time believed that URL tendency agency to wander was impulsive and uncontrolled. Much like every other pattern of behavior earl had exhibited. He seemed completely unable to resist the urges of of his subconscious hence his perpetual wanderlust was likened to a form of dementia earls nomadic tendencies. Were on display early in his return to Napa Hospital as some sources report. He tried to escape from the Mental Hospital twice within his first two weeks weeks however he was prevented from leaving the building on both occasions after his initial failed attempts earl decided that escape was now impossible all instead he cooperated with hospital staff and much of his tape passed uneventfully but as the months went by the hospital staff loosened their restrictions on the role eventually they became as lax with earl as they had been during his first commitment he was quick to take advantage. Aw November second nineteen twenty three URL Brokaw hospital fleeing to freedom. Once more with nowhere to go earl earl returned to his aunt millions home. His mental state had clearly deteriorated since she had last seen him and when he appeared at her home the look in his eyes. He's scared his aunt half to death. Lillian Open the door and welcomed him in but to protect your children. She told Earl he couldn't stay the night. She insisted that the police would assume he had fled to her home and if he wanted to remain free he needed to find another less obvious place to stay. Surprisingly prizing. Louis Earl listened to his aunt. She gave him some of her husband's clothes then sent him back out to wonder once more as soon as you laughed. Lillian called the police reported earls escape. She knew he was too dangerous to be left on the streets after a two day. Manhunt Earl all was captured again. The guards at Apple Hospital made sure to keep a closer eye on him. But they're reinspired inspired vigilance didn't have to last long even after earls escape no extra time was added to his sentence. Earl was officially released from the hospital. Sometime in the spring of nineteen twenty five his record merely stating that he had been discharged as improved altogether he had been imprisoned for nearly nearly four years. It seems hard to believe that Url Nelson's mental health had actually improved in that time with this in mind it's entirely possible the earls release was handled similarly to his previous term. It Napa Hospital that we covered last week. They'd simply gotten so tired of dealing with earl. They discharged charged him in absentia. They had even purposefully listed him as non-dangerous even though they knew he was unstable and unpredictable. It is entirely possible that the doctors merely repeated history by releasing earl when they did however no evidence has been found to prove that this is what occurred. Whatever the case may have been earl was released and free to wander the streets once more unfortunately earls roles blood loss ted only grown during his time in Napa State Hospital his release would be the death of women all across the country? When we return? We'll learn about the dark reality of Earl Nelson's twisted fantasies now back to the story. After assaulting a twelve year old girl in nineteen twenty one twenty four year rolled Earl Nelson was declared criminally insane and was committed to Napa State Hospital. He was released from the hospital for years later listed as improved but his violent tendencies only escalated. Some sources claim earl began his murder spree mere weeks after being set free. He was a prime suspect. In at least three murders that took place in nineteen twenty five however in the interest of time we limit our discussion to the murders. We know Oh earl is responsible for by nineteen twenty six twenty eight year old earls bloodlust. I had become all consuming while looking through the classifieds. He spotted an ad that caught his attention a sixty two year. Old Woman named Clara Newman. Oh man was renting out a room in her home. Her Ad specifically stated that drinking men and sailors were not allowed to apply to roll. Roll this ad read like the perfect opportunity to satiate his need for violence. He knew if he presented himself. Well the woman would willingly invite him inside. Loyd he picked up his Bible and acquired a nice suit then made his way to Clara's home when Clara answered the door for Earl introduced himself using a fake name. He spoke cleanly using religious language to give Clara the impression that he was an upstanding God God fearing man he asked to be allowed inside and Clara assented as Clara lead earl to the bedroom room for rent his mind ran wild. He thought of all the things he was about to do to her. None of them. Good as they walk doc down. The hallway may came across the bathroom door. She asked Earl if you wanted to see the rest drew and he readily agreed. She stepped into the bathroom. He stepped stepped in after her and closed the door behind them. Once the door latch shut. Borough felt free to do as he pleased. He brought his massive hands forward and wrap them around her neck. Clara's is must have been filled with shock and fear as earl squeezed and squeezed east until Clara could breathe. No longer Earl Nelson had just claimed his first known victim yet. Even after taking Clara's life he was far from satisfied rural hiked up claris skirts and violated her body. Hey the fact that URL violated clarice corpse after she was dead rather than a psalter while she was alive indicates that url was a true NECROPHILIAC. Anakra file is a person who feels sexual attraction towards human corpses according to a study titled Sexual Attraction to Corpses A. Psychiatric Review of necrophilia performed by doctors. Jonathan P Rosman and Philip J resnick. The most common motive for Necrophilia is possession of an unresisted getting and on rejecting partner earls behavior specifically categorizes him as a genuine necrophile who's necrophilic fantasies were so powerful he began committing necrophilic homicide or murder with the express purpose of obtaining corpse to be used as a sexual sexual partner. As we discussed in part one earl had had hyperactive sex drive. From the moment he entered puberty he frequented the Red Light District of San Francisco Geico even at the age of fifteen after he fell off a ladder at age twenty two and hit his head his sex drive only grew more uncontrollable after facing resistance from his ex wife who simply could not keep up with his sexual demands. Earl likely felt that corpses were the only things that could truly satisfy his sexual desires hence he followed up his first murder with the violation of his victim's corpse once he'd had his fill will he stepped out of the bathroom and walked to the front door of the home. He popped his collar up and pulled his hat down to help conceal his face. He reached for the door only to hear footsteps coming from the staircase behind him. Clara's nephew Merton Newman who lived in the upstairs apartment called out. Can I help you earl. Turn slightly towards him still keeping most of his face concealed thinking quick on his feet he answered tell the landlady I will return earn an hour I wished to read the bedroom with that. Url stepped out of the house and sped down the sidewalk. Merton Martin looked out the door to get a better glimpse of earl but by the time he got outside Earl had already left. His site. Merton was perplexed. earls behaviors struck him as odd and he didn't get a clear look at earls face. He decided to tell us that with the man at said and walked to the kitchen defined her instead he found a cold pan with a half cooked sausage on the stove Merton continued moving through the house eventually. He peeked into the bathroom to find the horrific sight of his aunt strangled and violated Merton immediately called the police but he could hardly describe the man he had seen. He only knew that the man's skin had an olive town. There was little the police could to and no evidence was what's available. That could help them find their killer earl. Nelson's rampage had only just begun whether driven by Wanderlust wanderlust or by fear of capture. Earl left San Francisco and made his way south to San Jose. It didn't take long for him to strike again. After the success of his first attack he felt he had found the perfect system for murder he began scouring the classified ads for female landlords boards looking to rent out a room. He knew that if he presented himself well she would invite him into an empty apartment once inside he could easily overpower her And do whatever he wanted with his very first murder earl had already established his mo on on March Second Nineteen Twenty six twenty eight year. Old Earl spotted the perfect listing sixty year old Laura Beale was in search of attendant. He made his way to her home and much as he had with Clara. He pretended to be an upstanding. God fearing man Laura welcomed him in and showed owed him to the vacant apartment as soon as Laura let her guard down Pearl attacked using his strength. He tore the silk belt from dressing gown then tied the sash around her neck. He pulled the belt so tight. The pressure broke Laura's skin she died terrified terrified and bleeding unable to get a single breath of air. Once earl had finished strangling Laura. He hiked up her skirt and violated her body much has he had with his first victim. He left her body in the vacant apartment and exited the building walking away nonchalantly one neighbor caught a glimpse of him leaving but could only describe him as a sallow faced man. Laura's body was discovered by her husband. Several hours slater. He immediately called the police unfortunately. Much like Earle's first. Killing there was little evidence available to tie any suspect to the crime. Soon earls string of stranglings were front page news. The papers declared a maniac was loose. Killing unsuspecting unsuspecting landladies. They dubbed the killer the dark strangler it is highly likely that url had seen the stories about his murders papered throughout throughout the region while this is purely speculation earls fear of capture may about. Wait is it for violence. He kept a low profile for the time being waiting waiting and watching for his time to strike weeks passed and eventually stories about the dark strangler drifted off of the front page and and into the fog of the collective memory once the heat around earls crimes die down he felt he could finally attack again on June tenth. Nineteen twenty six url found an ad placed by a sixty three year. Old widow named Lillian. Saint Mary she. She had a home in San Francisco with several borders and one room available for rent just as he had before earl arrived at Saint. Mary's home in the middle all of the day suit pressed Bible in hand saint. Mary welcomed him into her home and let him up the stairs to the vacant room. As yes soon as they entered earl locked the door behind them early tapped Lillian faster than she could react. He grabbed her by the the throat through her on the bed then leapt on top of her his knees pressing into her chest as he squeezed the breath from her neck once she he was dead he pulled back her clothing and desecrated her corpse justice he had done twice before earl left the house silently silently. He'd been so quite in fact. The renter who was in the bedroom directly beneath the murder scene hadn't heard any noise prior to during or or after the attack he didn't notice anything was wrong until hours later searching for his landlady he ascended the stairs to find the vacant rooms. uh-huh door hanging open and Lillian Saint. Mary's violated corpse left on the bed with a third landlady murder officially officially on the books police became convinced a single roving maniac was responsible for all three slayings. The chief of police warned every citizen of the bay area that a killer was on the prowl. He advised all landladies to avoid inviting potential renters. Indoors without a second person in present. The police searched the streets for earl once again unsuccessfully shortly after murdering Lillian Saint Mary Earl fled San Jose heading adding self along the coast by mid June. He arrived in Santa Barbara California. Where where the public was unaware of the threat on June twenty fourth? Two weeks after his last killing earl called up the home of fifty three year. Old Landlady Lady Mrs Russell. He arranged an appointment to see the vacant room during mid day when he knew her husband would be out of the home. When the the time arrived earl knocked on Mrs Russell's door and she led him inside once they were alone in the room earl assaulted her tying a rope? Hope so tightly around your neck it tore through her skin when she was dead. He pushed up her dress and violated her corpse yet this time and he was not unnoticed earls motion brought the bed repeatedly crashing against the wall while he had assumed he was alone William Franey. What Mrs Russell's renters was sleeping in the adjacent room? Franey worked the night shift. And when he heard the Ruckus he awoke angry that his sleep had been interrupted. Franey crept across the hall knelt down and peaked into the Keyhole to see what exactly was going on Franey peered inside spying large man having sex with his landlady but franey new. Mrs Russell would never willingly cheat on her husband. When he looked more closely he realized that Mrs Russell was practically motionless and the bed sheets were stained with the blood stunned? `and and confused Franey watched as earl finished with his awful act. When earl approached the door franey snuck back into his own room and and waited for earl to leave Franey then left the building himself and rushed to find? Mrs Russell's husband George at his workplace Franey told George what he had seen and the two men returned to the house to find Mrs Russell Dead and defiled. They immediately reported the murder to the police. And for the first time law enforcement received clear description of the dark strangler glare Los Angeles paper described him as probably Greek about thirty five years. Old Five seven or five eight high cheekbones then mm face and possessing long wavy. Sandy hair earl was actually said to be of English and Spanish descent and he was only twenty nine years old at the time time of the crime but Franey statement was still the closest. The police had come to identifying the dark strangler. Unfortunately it would do little to help. Help bring early in his tendency to wonder carried them out of Santa Barbara Long before the police were able to find him. While they finally had a witness earls wanderings would allow him to kill all across North America his reign of terror had only just begun eventually claiming the lives of nearly two dozen other women up next. We'll learn how earl became the most prolific Olympic American serial killer of the early twentieth century. Now back to the story by late June soon of nineteen twenty six twenty nine year old Earl Nelson had already killed four landladies throughout California and eyewitness had seen him defiling his fourth victim's body and given a description to the police but it was a little help to them by walking hitchhiking and train Hopping Ping Url traveled from city to city too quickly for the police to catch him. Due to the technological limitations of the nineteen twenties. Police departments had little to to no communication with each other. These limitations and earls penchant for wandering made him nearly uncatchable after murdering during his latest victim in Santa Barbara. Earl headed north to Oakland California in Oakland. Earl repeated his now familiar pattern. He found his fifth victim. A fifty two year old Mary Nesbitt in the classified section on August sixteenth. Nineteen Twenty Six. He talked his way into marries home once inside. He slammed her head into the bathroom floor then strangled her with a dish towel she was carrying when they met but her husband returned home he found her teeth and blood scattered across the floor and her body violated and stuffed in the bathroom corner as police began their search for Mary's killer. Earl fled North to Portland Oregon while there. He claimed three more victims in rapid succession on October. Nineteenth Earl strangled and raped thirty five year. Old Bay auto withers he. He dragged her body to the attic of her whole and stuffed her in a trunk. By hiding Beida Earl managed to delay her discovery until the next day Eh when her fifteen year old son found her mangled corpse and by the time they OUGHTA had been located. Earl had already struck again on October. Twentieth Earl strangled and violated a thirty seven year old widow named Mabel Fluke. He also hid her body in her attic. The next day earlier claimed his third victim in Portland. fifty-nine-year-old Virginia Grant Eight Url hid her corpse behind the furnace in her basement. EARLS Portland victims marked a significant -nificant shift in his Mo.. According to cereal violence analysis of modus operandi and signature characteristics of killers written by doctors actors Robert D Keppel and William J Burns the Mo of any one. Perpetrator is only valid for three to four months before it begins to change or evolve this change results from the offenders. Experience gained through having committed a series of crimes. Education obtained through incarceration ration- media coverage of similar crimes publications or other public means of discussion maturation of the offender and his ability to adapt daft to a particular crime. Earl saw the media exposure his first four murders had received and the speed with which the press and police could respond to his his actions in response earl started hiding the bodies most likely to provide himself slightly more time to flee the town however he did did not leave Portland right away instead. He continued to seek out landladies throughout the city rather than strangle all of them he charged them with his use of of scripture and booked a room he would then place a down payment with stolen goods. Stay a few days and leave. Before paying the full bill earls bill skipping would prove to be his downfall the landlady scammed reported his name and appearance to the port and the PD by Cross referencing. For instance their descriptions of earl with the previous descriptions of the dark strangler police began to suspect that they had found their man. Doc they looked into Earl Nelson's background and discovered that he was a known psychotic and previously escaped inmate who had once attempted to murder a a twelve year old girl. The police made earls name known to the public and the press reported it far and wide eager to take the story further. Some report is interviewed. earls at Lillian Lillian told reporters that early us to walk around on his hands carried heavy objects in his teeth and lurked within dark sellers. This odd behavior along with earls large hands and long arms reminded the press of an Edgar Allan Poe story titled the murders in the Rue morgue in the story two women have been torn apart by bloodthirsty and maniacal Aranka tag. They decided to give earl name in reference to this story but the rang a Tang man didn't quite roll off the tongue. Instead they dubbed Earl Nelson Elson the gorilla man and the gorilla killer the name that stuck with earl to this day. Aw Yet even with earls name known to the public. He still proved difficult to capture earls penchant for wandering and his tendency to use is fake. Aliases made him nearly impossible to track as such. He continued to roam the countryside killing as he pleased every one of earls murders could be described at length however in the interest of time. We'll only cover each one briefly after Portland Earl made his way back to San San Francisco on November eighteenth. Nineteen Twenty Six. He killed. Landlady Mrs William Edmunds and hid her body underneath her bed. Her husband been found her later. That same night earls spent the next five days traveling due north to Seattle Washington on November twenty third. He killed killed. Florence monks stole her jewelry then fled Seattle just as quickly as he arrived. He returned to Portland on November. Twenty Nine Earl met and strangled forty eight year old. Landlady Blanche Myers. He's stole cash from her purse as well as some of her jewellery then used his extra funds sons to flee Portland and run eastward across the United States by late December. Earl had reached council. Bluffs Iowa Ah one of the largest train hubs in the nation at the time but rather than admire the infrastructure of the city earl preyed upon the people who lived there December. Twenty Third Earl strangled forty nine year old Elizabeth Beard and hid her corpse beneath her bed. She was found by her husband later. That same same day earl hopped aboard the rails once again and fled Iowa in a matter of days he reached Kansas City Missouri on December. Twenty seventh earl killed one of his youngest victims. twenty-three-year-old Bunny Pace. And the next day earl killed again Ed Earl strangled twenty-eight-year-old Germania Harpen to make matters worse earl also strangled Germania's eight month bold infant with the child's own diaper. Nobody knows why earl went out of his way to kill a baby but some speculate he may have done it purely because the baby was in the room when he had killed the child's mother. Whatever the case? This crime made the already infamous gorilla man even more nefarious in the eyes of the public. The nation grew even more desperate to put earl behind bars. Earl left Kansas City and continue to wander the US however his movements over the next four months of his life are relatively unknown. Will there is reason to believe he's responsible for at least three more murders during this time. But again we'll stick with the murders he's confirmed to have committed earls. Next murder occurred on April Twenty Seventh Nineteen Twenty seven in Philadelphia Pennsylvania there he strangled and violated sixty year old Mary during the Connell. He hid her body stole her jewelry and continued on to the next city. Earl turned thirty on May twelfth. He celebrated his birthday on May Twenty seventh when he strangled thirty five year. Old Jenny Randolph in Buffalo New York by June. He had already. He made his way to Detroit Michigan where he committed his second double murder on June first. He strangled fifty-three-year-old. Landlady named many May. Hey with electrical wire then violated her corpse later that same day he strangled one of. May's residence sixty four year old Maureen Edworthy and violated her corpse as well always out running the local police earl ditch Detroit and and made his way to Chicago Illinois on June third. He used an electrical cord to strangle twenty-seven-year-old. Mary seats and her husband found her later. That that same day over the course of seventeen months the gorilla man Earl Nelson had traveled across the the entire United States and murdered nineteen women and one infant child. The nation was locked in a state of perpetual fear. Her as strangled women were being found at an alarming rate. All throughout the country to the public earl seemed almost unstoppable. He could kill let anytime and evade the police in any city leaving no leads behind. He was a boogeyman to the average American. A terror in the night yet yet. Even though the people thought earl was uncatchable earl felt differently. Everywhere he went he read constant newspaper stories about his killings while the people thought they could not escape from him earl felt like he could not escape from their gays and kill and peace to earl. It felt like with the entirety of the American police force was after him. It was simply too much pressure. As he believed he could be caught at any moment. As a result earl decided to flee lead the state's entirely. He headed north to Canada after crossing the border. He made his way. Hey to Winnipeg Manitoba arriving on June eighth nineteen twenty seven looking for a place to stay earl charmed his way into a boarding house. Run run by a woman named Catherine Hill. He gave her a fake name. pater a dollar as a deposit and promised to get her three more dollars by the end of the week unfortunately unfortunately he gave Catherine Hill something much worse instead on that same day. A fourteen year old girl named Lola Cohen was walking walking down the street selling paper flowers door to door. Perhaps she knocked on Catherine doar and earl answered or perhaps earl met her on the street and asked her to to return to his room with him. Whatever the case earl got lola into his room alone and in typical gorilla man fashion? He strangled her with his bare hands. Earl Hid Lola's body underneath his bed then went to sleep back in the morning. He left the boardinghouse logging his bedroom door behind him. He began to wander the streets of Winnipeg looking for his next victim them. He found her that very same afternoon. Emily Patterson was inside her home cleaning when Earl Nelson Nelson spotted her through the window unlike most victims. Emily was not a landlady. Nobody knows how earl- got inside the Patterson home but once he did he strangled emily. He then violated her body and stuffed her corpse beneath her bed. Earl stole well. One of Emily's husband suits seventy dollars in cash and emily's golden wedding ring. He left the house shortly. After and began wandering Winnipeg once more for when Emily's husband William returned home that evening he was wrought with worry. His wife was nowhere to be. We found after several hours of searching William finally decided to turn in for the night. He knelt down beside his bed at eleven thirty PM and prayed to God put asking that he helped him find his wife. Once he finished praying he stood his leg caught the sheets that covered the side of the bed as the sheets sheets lifted. He caught a glimpse of his wife's sweater underneath. He knelt down once more to see the horrific sight of his wife brutalized. Why is it violated? And Dead William contacted the Winnipeg police as he described the crime to the police. They immediately knew who who had committed it. Tales of earls horrific crimes had traveled all the way to Canada long before he himself had actually arrived the stories of a roving in killer where the first of their kind and the spooky nature of a murderous drifter fascinated the public even internationally using a description of earl the American newspapers. The police set out to find him by speaking to shopkeepers and passer-by in the area they traced earls movements back to Catherine Hills boarding house when they told her about the man they were after. She initially didn't believe that the charming Christian man she had allowed into her home was a killer Dr yet when they checked earls room they found fourteen year old. Lola Cohen's corpse rotting underneath his bed with the guerrilla man's identity confirmed and his alias discovered the Winnipeg. Police acted acted fast. They sent word out to the public warning them about a dangerous American loose in their province. People sent in tip after tip effectively effectively tracking drills movements for the police. The police recovered her all five miles north of the candidate. US Border Earl surrendered to the mounties using using a fake name and complied with their every request. They initially doubted that they had captured. The right man as earl was so cooperative however his first night in jail he picked the door to a cell and escaped into the darkness. The police found him the next day and his escape had proved moved his true identity to the police beyond all reasonable doubt. They had finally captured the gorilla himself. As the Canadian. Police began to question Earl. They allowed officers from all over the US to interrogate him as well officers from California Oregon Washington State Iowa Missouri Pennsylvania and so on connected earl to their various unsolved murder cases aces through I. Witnesses and objects earl had stolen from crime scenes. The police suspected earls involvement in twenty nine murders but earl denied his involvement in each and every one in the end the evidence against him was enough to declare him guilty of twenty two killings however however the Canadian courts only prosecuted him for the murders of Lola Cohen and Emily Patterson because they were the only two murders that had occurred within Canada's borders borders. They declared him guilty of first degree murder in both cases and sentenced him to death by hanging the. US law enforcement was satisfied with earls Canadian trials and left him to the justice of the north after all a criminal could not be killed twice And he had already received the death sentence on Friday January Thirteenth Nineteen Nineteen Twenty eight thirty year old Earl Nelson was led to the gallows. They allowed him to speak his last words he cried. I'm innocent I stand innocent before God and Man I forgive those who have wronged me and ask forgiveness of those high of injured. God have Bercy. They placed the rope around his neck led him to the platform and at seven thirty. Am they pulled. The lever earls neck broke rendering him unconscious as he hung from the rope. It's squeezed the air from his lungs. that a poetic twist of fate. The gorilla man died in much the same way as victims. Over the course of seventeen months Earl Nelson murdered at least twenty one women and one eight month old child. He was the most prolific serial sex killer in American history until the crimes of Dean coral were discovered in nineteen seventy-three nearly fifty years later Earl Nelson was also the first American serial killer to get widespread public and press attention his crimes and the tear they struck in the hearts of the American people. Were only the first of a dark and awful pattern to come as has such earl Nelson is credited with igniting. The American fascination with the serial sex murderer earls killing spree even inspired an Alfred Hitchcock doc film titled Shadow of Doubt Hitchcock's personal favorite of all of his films earls mark on American pop culture was deep and and profound and while the gorilla man may be dead and gone his dark and awful legacy lives on Back thanks again for tuning in to serial killers. We'll be back Monday with a new episode. You can find all episodes of serial killers and all other parkhouse originals for free on spotify or anywhere. You listen to podcasts. Not only does spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals. Like serial killers for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream serial killers on spotify. I just opened the APP and type serial killers in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter. At podcast at work. We'll see you next time. Serial killers was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast. How studios original executive producers include Max and Ron Cutler sound design by Trent Williamson with production assistance by Ron Shapiro and Carly Madden Adan? This episode of serial killers was written by Giles. Offsets with writing assistance by Abigail Cannon and stars Greg Poulsen and Vanessa Richardson the.

Lillian Saint Mary Earl Earl Leonard Nelson murder earl Nelson Earl Nelson Elson Earl Hid Lola Saint Mary Lillian Lillian San Francisco United States Vanessa Richardson San Francisco Police Departmen Mary Nesbitt spotify Canada Napa Hospital Clara Newman Napa State Hospital facebook