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David Vs. Goliath

Business & Biceps

35:35 min | 1 year ago

David Vs. Goliath

"Get your mind off the fact that we're something like we're like when when someone thinks oh I'm somebody it's almost like indirectly saying lime owed something just by defacto rule of the fact that I'm somebody you ain't Shit motherfucker. That's how people get run out of business when they think they're somebody when you always odds of fucking hunt like David and Goliath analogy like David would have to fucking fuck with a guy like Elias always gotta be on the hunt for that little advantage that little that little back and and I think that is that's the essence of starting you don't in business and continuing in business and also as an employee you have to go out and fight the giants and you have to win dude or at least you got a fucking given bruises and you've got to bust up their body before you can knock them out but this is the game on this episode are are you dated or do you think your mother fucking alive think John Hey Goliath. Stop listening. Listen now warning fucking ass roasted listen we all have to approach our days in a very particular mindset food and I think that's what this show is about. We'll take the analogy and expound upon it as we my dad's great show was relative to what's up everybody you woke up to another episode of business and you better wake your ass up. Carr's on today's show. We're going to talk about being unmatched. David and Goliath going out to slay the dragon every day John. I heard you say every day. It's like that so I can't wait to hear your feedback on this topic Johnny Dude if anyone has a brain and and and they realize or they look at the macro level of of business or whatever the fuck they're doing. You're always outmatched meaning. There's always somebody somebody or an organization or many organizations or many people that are way bigger than you. That are way stronger than you have way more resources than can you so you are David. We are all David and every day it. It's how am I going to chip away a buck in goliaths Elias Achilles Tendon so buck in one day. Maybe I could shop that big motherfucker down right to the Achilles rate to the Arana. I love it. Hey y'all go to the karate. You know listen. If you want to track your karate you could go to whoop we give you fifteen eighteen percent off on the whoop membership and they send you a strap and you can track your sleep corey. When you say strap people can take it in many different ways. It's I strap on John. I say I didn't either. I didn't either rose to optimize your body. Okay is your body John Bosco Osco go to whoop. We're GONNA Lotte. They're going to get a lot of subscribers a your questions and we'll give you fifteen percent off because a lot of subscribers are going there. If you use the fastest Acti- biceps John Before we get to the topic I want to ask your two cents on what the rise and fall of not only as a person but as a terrible businessman in Tonio Brown what he what d-box debauchery just it just displayed bockel every damn I yeah so bad man okay so talk talk what he is guilty of everything. We talk about right. It's like having a huge ego like I'd like a huge ego. That's blinding having zero self-awareness not being aware of his surroundings not being aware of how people interpret him and how how he behaves in return and just simply not being aware of the fact that he is one human and one area of expertise football and everyone in every area of expertise. Wherever is replaceable doesn't matter how good you are when you become too big of a problem mm-hmm or you take too much of the attention and not only do you do that but you feed that you feed that machine. These these are the things that happen. I mean this guy many would argue is the best receiver in in the NFL. Obviously physical skills are absurd but he he thought that he was bigger than any team he was on. He was bigger than the league like I I heard a quote from him on hard knocks and he was you know he was a dog in Gruden or maybe it was on instagram when he recorded a conversation with Gruden and in Gruden was like you know. The coach of the raiders was like what the fucks going on. Are you going to play football or or or what's the deal and he says to me he goes. I'm so much more or than just a football player motherfucker. You're talking to your football coach. You stupid motherfucker. Your football coaches there. Did you coach you in football. He is not Tony Robbins. He is not not tell your football coach. I'm so much more than the he doesn't fucking care. He gets paid to fucking coach. You and football you stupid Egotistical Moron and then the GO-TO fucking bill ballot check the guy who's probably the most system oriented. I don't give a fuck how good you are coach. You are going to conform to my my way or the highway in a fucking second you go there and you make the ABC show well. Guess what you're gone dude and that skill that could have paid you fifteen twenty million dollars a year. You're out in the cold and the one skill you have in life because you've shown you're nothing but a fucking more on the one skill you have in life. You have fucking cut short and you've lost dude. You've lost nine figures just because you're an ego goal maniac idiot dude. I knew that you were GonNa have some amazing things to say about this but I never anticipated that it would. It'd be that good job because I was over here. Adventure Diet Dot Saudi Rob Dude who says to their coach basketball coach Oh. Are you gonNA come play ball tonight coach. I'm so much more than a ball player. Much more shot ought to fork up on the fucking field lace to fuck up and show me how you you you can play football because you're getting paid a lot of money motherfucker. I don't give the Shit Woo Hoo. You think you are Jesus crying. Laughing Stars Amazing. What I WANNA point out is. It is exactly what we talk about about here and that's why I wanted to bring it up because you think about the ascension is a a high draft. Pick a high a low draft picker. Whatever later later low low draft pick late around from an a no name school at Central Michigan or Western. Whatever comes into the League works extremely hard hard. All the things that we talk about you have to do right works extremely hard makes the team does the extras builds his confidence builds relationships as with this which would be you know the organization which is bordered place and in hones his skills at the most elite level but then something happened right then the believe in my own hype syndrome happens and that's where I really wish he could you'd go dude. I feel good about who I am but I was draft. Remember where I came from. Remember how I got remember how I got here. It is unbelievable to me that a guy who gets drafted in whatever six round is being an idiot enough to pass up thirty million on the table Bro. You're lucky at that drumming and you're GONNA make league minimum but to to let your ego each get you up to think that you're going to tweet and tag the NFL to say Oh. I'm not gonNA play football anymore because the odor's in the in the league yeah fuck this go go go go to. I hop good dude yeah and he's made him billions of marks slayer tweeted. He's like you're a fucking idiot in the NFL is going to go on like that's just the suck. The show goes on you ego maniac mother Fucker so here's a here's the thing though I think what true if you look at his career and this is just my personal opinion a lot of people especially with people with enormous egos they must be the big fish and I believe what happened is Juju came and Juju started getting mad had love from your. He's likable not only that he was Pittsburgh. I believe player of the year last year over that's starting to Tonio Brown Brown and the sign of a strong mind is like death. Fuck Yeah Man. I got a squad now. I got another but the sign of Egotistical Freak show is Oh my God. Maybe he's maybe he's going to be better than me. Oh I got to get out of here. Ben Rothlisberger has been good to me a dude bro. You have a magical career and then all of a sudden you start tripping because I believe Aleve you feel competition that that to me that to me is the mark of a fucking bitch but see even that situation happened so often often in day to day business workplace corporate structure so John. All of these things that we've seen so publicly from him and I and I agree I mean I'm a steeler fan. I agree with that. A hundred percent Juju not only was he producing was he likable from the organization standpoint. He's relevant with the suit with the young his he he plays video games on the cover sports illustrated with that and being like he in he's quietly humble so all of those things instead of saying Yo. This is the next dude coming up under in as a squad like you said we could murder this. He ran the other direction which ultimately was his just in Wilby his demise manage. It's really a little bit sad because you see the ascent ascending nature from where he came from in just this is everyone got to know. This like talent will only take you so far case in point right the fuck here in essentially only if you look at it like he was at a major uphill climb in reached the pentacle big contract. That's the best at you know even in his early thirties especially in this league you know people were looking at it as being old still thinking he's worth that amount of money and in all of it can be taken down just because you're feeling on yourself and you think you're sweeter than in everyone. It's unbelievable but it's taken down even greater men than fucking Antonio Brown. It deserves it. Hey there's there's always going to be a machine that churns out your paycheck. That's bigger than you. You know there's always gonna be something that will continue to go on without you. Every good structured organization is created to be able to replace people because has anybody knows who creates a structure or an organization people are GonNa. Come and go ensure. You're going to have some great ones that are going to contribute. Listen listen. If you think you're bigger bigger than the organization you will find out the hard way and he did well and I think the last wrap this forego the other one is Bella. Check was the nail now on the coffin to sue you know metaphorically is the fucking now on the coffin economy of name. He is the nail in the coffin dude because he said I mean look look at example well. Josh Gordon comes in. He's had a lot of problems but they can. He continually is attempting to get better and they're staying with them. Ab must have shown something Anthony. I heard Gronk talk about this before. No one's treated like a superstar in New England. Not Even Tom Brady he must've showed some of those qualities bill belichick says are you fucking kidding me. He's he's got the ultimate system plug and play. I mean literally the ultimate the only one that stays the same as Tom Brady and him everyone else's plugging play so broke his running lying but he has a running back named Sony and the Guy The guy fucking performs he can his system is so flawless and that's why to not have the awareness awareness that you're walking into the latest system met may maybe maybe an NFL history seriously and to think that you can behave in a me first manner when you got there. I mean it's it's literally like like the awareness of of like seven. It's crazy crazy all right so shifted. Let's shift into the intro of the David and Goliath thing John like Gimme a give me some feedback and some just statements statements around just how you operate with this. This whole mentality is i. I like where you're going with it in the intro so it's like okay. If if you're going to be an employee or you're going to start a business essentially you have to take you have to take something that is currently someone else's whether that's sales as an employee you have to go and make sales that your peers would make AAC because you're more aggressive your better ugo an an and you take them right but there's always gonna be fucking guys sitting up on the mountain top where the big producers who you know you're going to have to go after over a long period of time in a business. When you start off you have no customers zero so the money that is funneled your way through a customer that money would normally go to another business but why why is that customer now going to blind item that money to Your Business. You have to give them a phenomenal reason to to change their routine or were. They spend money to now shifted to your new fucking idea because what's behind your new idea. Just your your new fucking idea so will you come out of the gate as not you are nothing. I think this is such a healthy mindset especially this day and age where everyone thinks. Is there something once they've done. Something like you are nothing and each and every customer you get to touch whether you're selling something on on the phone in a business or you're starting a business and you're trying to acquire customers. You have to know you ain't shit. You're so every interaction so important because you have the opportunity to earn someone's business and that's that's just how it is it if we can get our head and get your mind off the fact that were something like we're like when someone thinks Oh. I'm somebody it's it's almost like indirectly saying well. I'm owed something just by de facto rule of the fact that I'm somebody you ain't. Oh Oh shit motherfucker. That's how people get run out of business when they think there's somebody when you always are on the fucking hunt like you know if you're gonNA use a David and Goliath analogy like David would have to be to fuck and fuck with a guy like Goliath. You always gotta be on the hunt for that little advantages does that little this little that and I think that is at its core. That's the essence of starting in business and continuing in business business and also as an employee you have to go out and fight the giants and you have to win nude or at least you got a fucking. Give them bruises and you you gotTa bust up their body before you can knock them out but do this is the game. This is what it is Janis halftime. I know you who's been then. Maybe Whoop Mass Rupe Hoop in. I don't know or to be honest. I've been doing a lot of dance to mightly bringing that back on well. Have you know listen. I've been tracking my dance moves because it's a cardio you know when I when I took John I'm I'm James Ellison. Go James Brown. I don't know about yeah listen. That's how I move James. I'm sorry I'm a little bit Taller Taller James but that's how that you can do the splits like James Brown. Yes I can't hurt my peanut. anyways yeah go ahead and you've use the code biceps over whoop whoop membership will dot com and it gives you fifteen percent off. You're able to track John actually actually how many calories that you're burning during that workout in early ads dad's it's able to spit out and let you know if you ever covered from that from your sleep data. Listen don't don't don't be racist because I'm white and you can't do that's reverse. That's reverse reverse racism and I'm not GonNa fucking stamp. You can't fucking matter what color you are listening to me right now. This is reverse racism. I'm going to report you to the fuck in sec see even though that has nothing to do with this and I'm more. Oh yeah armpits anyway was stopping racist I I can dance just fine so I will prove John. Through with strapped three point that my skills are more efficient going into through the analytic data about you. You are a fifty percent off if use the code by some cheese all right. Let's go to the show. Let's go as you're talking. Johnny it. It just keeps coming into my mind is strategy awareness execution strategy awareness execution because if you think about it you break down. Goliath Elias is really like the guy that was born big talented. Maybe easier way in in theory and in David's really the undersized person that like you said has to have every advantage every nook and cranny. That's been you know thought about it has to take spots spots and execute at a high level to even have a chance at right and I think that people have to this is just real life life stuff like everyone has situations where daily they should be operating in that David mentality because that's that's how you climb the ladder. A lot of people think well. I don't WanNA think about having strategy against my co workers at work. We'll fucking then. They're going to beat you like you're watching me right now and you're getting beat so why don't you why don't you have some competition and try this strategy because their strategies in your ass right now that motherfuckers has got the promotion and you know what he walked by your desk so ask you how you doing a fucking. You're pissed. You get it but guess what his strategy was better against the big guy. That's what it was was. That's what it is he had this lead shot and you wasn't the US fucking trip on and you think will one day. They're gonNA come over there and just throw to you. It Ain't GonNa work that way so you. I need to be mindful of the strategies to pick your spots in do these things to ascend to what you want no matter what system business you're building saying it's just part of it and I think if you're not mindful of this in thinking about it daily. You're fucked in their glide smash every day. She's listen. Listen listen. You're not big okay apple's big yeah okay Amazon's big. They're big the big. I'm not big. Core is not big. No one's fucking big so so to take this analogy and continue it. We're all we're all David but the problem is and I guess the question is do you wake up like that every day. Do you wake up black a WHO fuck. I can't make a mistake or I'm. GonNa get fucked up. A Antonio Brown thought he was Goliath but he's really David Johnny on the NFL is Goliath Brown in everyone else's David yes period and glide squashed him like like like but he wasn't aware that he was David and that's kind of what I what I'm talking about. There's always a bigger machine. Goliath is the big machine scene and man so much of this so much of this stuff is is is is humbling yourself man yeah so much of this stuff is humbling on yourself because dude a I mean there's a lot of people a lot of people out there who make good money or this or that and like their existence is like like to let people know they make good money and all this stuff and it's like okay okay that can last for a period of time. Abreau the Faucet the Faucet awesome turns off when you least expect it and if your existence is to show people that you've made money the the key word in that sentence is made. You know I'm interested in making hill I die and when I die that among my my name my whatever is still making making money so Yemen. It's a fucking mentality and I want everyone to think okay in the position. I'm in the business. I'm in the job. I'm in is there someone bigger and the answer is going to be yes and if the answer is yes you are David every day and and and if you're not if you're not ready to defend yourself in the most aggressive manner well you're gonNA. You're eventually going to get squashed. It's all John. The moral story is it's all rooted in daily humility just like what will said right. He said looking for humble people that are aggressive. Gra Her. I mean that that right there man that might be one of the best quotes on all the years anybody. We've talked to that you know whether if we interview interview Tim Ferriss. Et we've interviewed all kinds of athlete off and on we mean you've talked basic quote but but but but just hearing hearing it put a just connected just two things about. I mean it's just really it's just really spot the fuck on so spot on it was it was it was really good. I think it's interesting how Antonio Brown just our dialogue and bullshit in about that a mess suit thing just whole thing was such a mess and then but how it ties into exactly the unaware part of it that you know the the Goliath doesn't owe you anything in infact they will step on you every day of the week to keep being dominant and so that's where a lot of people think got fucking twisted up that that fight you have to bring that energy that excitement statement that fight every day in a confident but humble manner if you're going to get anywhere and I think that there's that is exhausting costing to think about for most people johnny in most people are GonNa fucking foul. If if if that's every day we have the ability to you know do great things. We have the ability to to be arrested. We have the ability to be positive. We have the ability to perform in whatever we do with energy and that's what it takes to commit to building something or building your career whatever you're doing. That's what what it takes every day and if that's an exhausting thought to you. Will you better change something or you're. You're just going to be You're going to be the guy who I've always feared. Being you know the guy who's interviewing for jobs at thirty five forty five fifty. you WanNa be that you want to be managed by some twenty two year old when you're fucking forty five you gotta take you'd better fuck and take the ship serious. Jason Newlove your boss Yeah. That's what they're going to happen right straight up. I mean but you know what the the same David Goliath thing the thing that POPs in my head. I want to share his that not only was I the six-man on my basketball team like actual. I always felt like twitter that was fighting for a spot. It never was easy for me. No matter what some board I played no matter what lifting area I was is in no matter what show I did. I always felt on the borderline outside that I would have to work. You know twice as hard as the guy that may be got third place to just get fifth in honor of that's partly my perception of partly of just what can happen like everything I did. I was always he's one guy out or right on the edge and I think that that mentality of understanding that for some reason that was my path on an invasive everything everything that I've I took that into the workforce daily understanding that hey that I'm not the only way I'm GonNa Crack. The starting five five is by being that David that underdog that like literally one of my favorite cartoons when I was kid underdog literally like I I just always have felt that way inherently in in it's like I was behind the eight ball. You know the one that's the afterthought even Nama even like growing up just being included in things maybe as like the outside of the cool group. It seem like across the board. It was always that way so that but these are things that you know from being a kid playing sports lifted weights competing. It's just of always taken that approach that I'm naughty starter and if I think if you order that's so I don't know it's interesting but that's that's always kind of happened happened. whether it's common core there's only five starters. You know what I'm saying so everyone listening here. I doubt they were one of them. Yeah you know he's an most people. Aren't you know I in that cream of the crop and what I what I see. A lot with the people who are in the cream of the crop is a lot of natural gifts get people in those positions but natural gifts sure there stewarded and they're and they're built with with a lot of hard work but most people who are naturally gifted don't don't really prescribe described hard work because they feel they don't need to because they got to a place in the starting five but they weren't aware that it was only high school basketball about the NBA but they got into the starting five because they were naturally gifted at that point in life now maybe if that person who got into the fucking starting five realize. Oh Shit I'm good but if I work my balls off I might play college basketball and if they took that same attitude college maybe they would actually monetize thing doc and go to the NBA but I think a ninety five or more percent of the people listening. They're no different than starting five e e. It's all about putting that work exactly exactly and so. I guess really my main point. was that because that kind of happen on accident. Essentially it really was such a blessing blessing to me because it made me just hungry for so much more in not only that. I feel like that from an athlete standpoint. I felt like that obviously from you know. I don't know just having less than what everyone else did around me. Even in my situation living in the country I was still on the low end of what was happening and so it's like those things are just like the kind of common denominators of what put that you know kind of. I think the life or I'm sorry David Good mentality in me daily that still carry an I still think people are against me and don't think I can succeed and I play these head games whether they're true or not not anymore. They've just continued to work and we talked about that before but I think that's all part of that. David do holiday carrying it out each day and you know people should really Kinda. Take some like it tastes inventory on this type of stuff. I think you're not listen. You're not living. You're not living like David if you get comfortable you know what I'm saying. I don't give a folk hawke who you are or what you do. If you're comfortable with where you're at like comfortable you're going to lose what you have because there is David's bids everywhere and they will come for you. They will necessarily come for you but they will come for something in your area and the more comfortable you are. You're the more at risk you are of being taken out. I want people to understand this at. I don't want people to have anxiety and go home. I go no no I. It's about committing to a work ethic and a mindset on a daily basis but once once you think you've made it somewhere oh come on just read just read educate yourself on the fucking rise and Fall Antonio Brown thought he made it somewhere on the rise and fall of people people who get to that place where they say I me I'm good okay. Okay man that that that that's dangerous injuries so you gotta you gotTa wake up uncomfortable you know in a positive way saying you know. I'M GONNA. I'm GonNa work towards something. Once you stop up feeling like you gotta work towards something. your purpose is lost when your purposes lost your faulk and that's the pursuit that's really with that movie the pursuit of happiness that's people don't understand sometimes it's over. That's actually where all the happiness was not actually when you get to the end so but good stuff johny good stuff man. Hey you know it also has good stuff is whoop I mean. I don't know if you're aware John Yeah. I'm aware they know you are aware mu passing in writing analytics for years. You've been hooping for years. You've been whooping only for a couple of weeks by we give have you fifteen percent off the Wu membership and they send you the strap and you get used biceps as your code and you can track your sleep data. You can track your calorie. Optimize your body Korea. I am optimized like Optima optima prime dude that hucker it here and the reason I'm optimus. Prime is clearly because of whoop so I asked this prime and I'm talking optimus prime not from these new stupid abid fake. CGI fucking Shit Hollywood movies. You'll I'm talking. I'm talking about the fucking toys. I used to fuck and have eh dude cartoons on that optimus prime. I don't know about this new. Shit Jon Quick Story and then we got around the I got the optimus prime transformer when I was a kid. It was like the only thing I got for Christmas so pomp. I took an never forget this one of the saddest days my life. I took it to school. I had it set on the out of server. This explains the added sit on the on the bus seat and we hit a bump in the motherfucker fell off. It went to hit the ground. Both arms broke off dude. I was so offset John my mom probably really struggled by that for and I broke. Both the arms off optimus prime all right there so disrespectful was really upset about it to all right. Hey fifteen percent use the code biceps and Johnny Fosko Gee care. The podcast be star the PODCAST. I I the pastor Chris. Oh the same yeah

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Episode 208:  Self-Made Man

Defenders Of The Night

1:01:15 hr | 2 months ago

Episode 208: Self-Made Man

"School. Are Bender on the nights. The most trusted source for top to bottom coverage of everyone's favourite mid nineties animated program. How I am your host Liz Circle Royal. I am your host, Daniel, Williams and I just don't even know what to say. About Liz and her intros anymore drought control. Well, I guess we're here to talk about gargoyles today. Yeah. Tell me about it. Today's episode is Gargoyles Season Two episode eight vows aired September Fourteenth Nineteen ninety-five it was directed by frank par gay mixed feelings about you. Frank. You know what? I'M NOT GONNA blame this on him. I'M GONNA blame this on the writer first time only time gargoyles writer Sherry. Good hearts. She is written exactly a one episode of Gargoyles. They probably were like never again Sherry never again, she's written lots of TV as a matter of fact, she is right now sneakily triggering another episode of everyone's favorite podcasts within a podcast. Liz's favourite show. She's never seen before star trek the next generation Uh and For, that That was fast normally triggered this quicken to an episode. No usually it's an actor or something like that. But Sherry good hearts actually written three episodes of Star Trek. The next generation she wrote nineteen nineties, the most toys nine Hundred Ninety One night terrors in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, two's violations. Before we get into today's episode, I just want to remind all of our pal oils new and old to leave defenders of the night, a five star rating and review on their pod catcher choice because we need them to live to live. Shelley Begin. Yep. Okay we're GONNA start in Medias race here. So we are on the roof of the Golden Cup everyone's favourite row story. Yeah, and we see Goliath and armor clad deluxe just punchy punchy fight fight part of was like is this just a continuation of where they left off last week on a rooftop fighting but this was a new thing and finally deluxe rips off his helmet he's like. You're never the first one to throw a punch Goliath anxiety. It's all like well, I don't trust you look at our history. Yeah. So Liz deluxe invited Goliath Yeah Golden Cup Coffee Row St. How did he invite him? Is there some sort of Gargoyles bat signal equivalent? Did he pay him on his nextel like what the Fuck House he invited right? Because he still doesn't know where he lives I mean of course he does because it's still it's still a job to know everything whether or not. It makes sense for him to do so but story wise. I don't think so so somehow he got invited. So deluxe sentiment email gargoyles goal. At AOL DOT com. Yeah. Hey meet me at the Golden Cup Coffee Rotary at this time Goliath said, okay, cool. showed up started fighting right like why would he even come? That's a good question for this entire episode yeah. So. Just like buddy I just wanted to talk and like what we don't do that, and then he's like Oh. Yeah. I'm getting married tomorrow and I want you to be my best man. Now is this a case of like? I love fighting with enemy so much that he's actually my best. And how angry do you think Owen is that he's not the best man. I don't know how to answer any of your questions lives because none of this makes sense we're seconds in the episode none of it makes sense. Yeah Okay He just wanted to talk and glances like we don't talk one of the very last things we saw in the very previous episode is a conversation, a new understanding maybe dialects things because they had that little moment together in the last episode that they're turned a new leaf and he can be his best man now. Yeah. You're the only one the understand that I love Fox and I want you to be my husband he wants Goliath to be at the wedding, which is tomorrow. So is this November I what is the timeline shortage engagement ever or is it next spring because it's not snowy or cold seemingly? Dude what God does like, why would I do this? You don't have a Tux what do you. Like tomorrow I gotTA check my sched-. Taylor that knows how to deal with wings come on man get a plus one does dream bow continue my day and then deluxe like Dimona is GonNa be there keep listening all the reasons I don't WanNa be anywhere near your wedding. Do you have any more? Is Owen going to be there cool like no, why would I want to do this? What deluxe are you not aware of the fact that Dimona has tried to kill glass and his clan many times over now? So many times and also he's an happy fucking relationship with another woman. Okay. So already I don't understand and we go to the clock tower Liz. This scene has literally three lines in go to castle wider lines are pretty much. Dream about being like what you fucking idiot. That's a horrible idea. Don't do it and hasn't been like God do what to do and then glances. You're right. Those are the three lines. Moving on. So then we go to castle wandering. A helicopter or some sort of aircraft. Alica okay and Fox's the pilot. Derek quit or got fired. Yeah. We don't know where the fuck Derek well, he's a cat goal. Yeah. So Fox's his new pilots I guess he is employee she Santos Industries employees. That's what I wanna I wanNA know that to also what the fuck is she wearing she's wearing this weird fly suit, but it's also kind of like a unit hard like i. don't even know what's happening. got a weird belt. Also, she was a famous actress slash fighter lady and now she's some rich goes fucking pilot. Yeah. Why isn't Owen flying the helicopter? Do you normally he is. So the reason that this helicopter lands is because she's flying in Deluxe is dad and is he just entirely aware of the fact that his son is a super villain like if I showed a my adult child's stratosphere reaching Skyscraper Castle and she was wearing a robot suit with wings I would for sure be like well. I definitely fucked up somewhere along the way what is going on here? Yeah. I mean it's very obvious from the get-go that his dad disapproves of everything. He's just kind of lake. Why do you need all this and? I mean why not I can. Liz have. You ever just hardcore made out in front of apparent. No, that's weird. Right. That's real fucking weird. Because deluxe in Fox just tongues in mouth just going to town on each other's faces well, Father d just standing there uncomfortable. Yeah and he says the dumbest Shit I've ever heard I wanNA play this clip for you because this episode is piled with garbage heavily. Rich. Bad. Luck to she the Brian Wedding Fox and I make our own luck Liz. That is not what the superstition is about. Yeah. It's bad luck to see the bride in her wedding gown before the wedding that's the superstition. Right. Tell me about this backstory. So we find out because father is a poor fisherman and then his dad starts going on about. How some random guy gave him a coin when he was a kid or young or whatever he wishes, he could figure out who that was like give them a piece of his mind and we find out that the coin is worth like twenty thousand dollars in whatever year it was when he received this coin. which leak? That is a lot of money if you don't come from much but it's still I, think impressive that he took twenty thousand dollars and made it to the fortunate is today it's not like he was given a million dollars. Or quarter of a million dollars but he didn't take that twenty thousand dollars in become. What he is today he took twenty thousand dollars and turn it into say ten million dollars, and at that point you're just exploiting labor. Yes. Like. He himself earn any of it after we'll call it the first million. Sure that money in his labor force earned the rest of it while you sat back and made robots or whatever. Right? Right. Right. He's not even selling. He's not using this technology to further as business he's building robots funsies kill a dragging man I. Okay I. mean he calls himself a self made man and again I would just say to a certain extent for sure after that hundreds perhaps upwards of thousands of people made made you for you you pastored. This move into the Great Hall. And Owen brings in a judge because this is not a religious ceremony course not and deluxe is still wearing the robot suit and he just goes to shake hands with the judge a stranger who was not expecting to me to Cyborg, and he just behaves in a way ignores his surroundings. Yeah. Deluxe does he ignores the fact that he is in robot armor. He is a man that is totally lost touch with reality and I guess. That's to be expected when you live in a castle at the edge of the stratosphere, right? I mean I think that this has got to be what it's like to hang out with jeff basis where this man does not know how to be a human anymore. Yeah. So Liz Deluxe says he wants to show the judge and his father video. Do you think it's the ring or do you think it's a weird porno weird porno yeah. Weird Porno that also will kill you in seven days. He ends the scene, my saying the best man and maid of honor. Our unusual says the man leaving the room in his robots who turns of Pricey didn't get married in his fucking robots. I just want to be like glides. Okay. Lizzo past. Yeah. which was very jarring transition for me. Every fucking transition in this episode is joining, but this one was specifically jarring to me. Did it even say the year or die lockdown during that? This did not say the year. Okay. This is just earlier. Yeah. So we see Goliath and Dimona, and this has been there all lovey dovey in the nine hundreds and. They're. Going to be late for. Prince. Malcolm's wedding. We're that they are invited I was about to ask that why were they invited and not Hudson who doesn't have a name yet? Hudson's like are not going to that not interested. Thanks. To the wedding they stand in a window and watched the wedding Dimona breaks a plate in half for badge or I don't know exactly what it is some sort of. ICON. Yes. They're seen like the vowel was being shared in the rings and Goliath is all like wooden. An odd tradition is it. I did a little bit of research and Christianity had been around in Scotland for we're talking four hundred to five hundred years before this, and also the exchange of rings goes well beyond Christianity. Yeah, Celtic we'll say practices have been in that region for ever ever. So it seems like a tradition of practice the rings. The gargoyles ever been to another wedding would be well versed in So they are all lovey dovey the way that weddings make people and gargoyles apparently they decide to vowed themselves to each other as well. That's. Just, like crash this wedding and make it their own little wedding. That is a huge faux. PAS. They didn't do it in front of the audience as well. But. Big no-no in the in the wedding community, and so she just has this thing breaks it in half and is like you hold onto your half and I'll hold onto my half. It was like best friends necklace where you put the hearts together and best friend what the fuck is the plate what Oh. God. But Glides being the sentimental fool that he is loves it. And they've Outta love each other and be with each other and then he called her my angel of the night and it was like oh now. dammit. Liz We go back to the future. I had no idea but I was hoping in the clock tower and the clock tower and they have a trophy room. It has the Green Gorham Snorkel Borkum book. Vote in there. That continuity is one little bit of this episode that I appreciated that they're like we know that he has these things and he's got pedestals. We don't know where he got pedestals in the attic of a police station. You're asking too many questions now storm was there and Costa was there too. Yeah. Just hanging out it was just a brief pan across I'm like good on you trash episode but yes, he has his half little thing. Trinkets also in that room I. This is what pissed me off though I enjoyed having all those items there. But what angered me was his going to a wedding where he knows his ex is going to be as I understand that he's feeling sentimental and thinking about things in the past. But why are you bringing it like what why that'd be like I'm GonNa see my ex boyfriend I. Guess I need to put on the necklace he gave me. And my husband would be like what the way why are you doing? Like Dream Boat I just so sad for Dream Boat in this whole episode. Yeah you're right. You're so upset right now. I. Don't think you've actually finished that sentence. But I get it I understand your sentiment because it's fucking absurd. Episode the Lovey. Dovey and now he's like, Oh, my ex know that they put this one directly after the previous episode in doesn't make any sense it's stupid nudity. Wise. It's too close to the proposal sentimentality. Wise. It's too close to all of that closeness that dream boat now goliath had like it doesn't make any sense for this to be especially knowing that dream boat straight up side like please don't go to this and he's not only going but bringing a very special item with him also, he doesn't know what it is or what. It can do right. So it's not like he's keeping it for that reason like Oh this is part of a magical talisman or whatever. Right? So he leaves we assume he leaves. We don't actually know what he's GonNa Castle whatever and yes because this weddings got pop off. So like market go I was assuming that glides being the best man had to be a trap, right? Like I mean of course. But why just the idea of all the things that happen don't seem to connect to anything else that happens in this episode I guess. This episode is trying to do a lot as. A whole. Failed. Ninety eight percent of it. Yeah. I would agree with that. Okay. So. We got to go to this fucking wedding the wedding. Liz Can you believe that this episode dared to validate mass bullshit conspiracy theories they eliminate e. l.. It's real and deluxe ever because of course he is of course he is. He's the leader I don't know who could be. I don't know much about the elimination except that it's secret society that apparently is centuries old. But? Yeah. So he has. This luminosity pin on his talks and Owen is like Oh. Sir, do you think that's a wise idea to have that just out in the open and he's like it's important it will matter later have to so go ask shows up to this sham wedding even though it makes no sense for him to do so but if he doesn't then there's no episode that happens a lot in some of the more poorly written episodes that they only have a story because Goliath does something that doesn't make sense for Goliath to do. Yeah. The way that they portray him makes me really wonder how he kept his clan alive all these years they're allstone well, I, mean like when they Like when he was a active leader because he makes all these stupid decisions that make no signs that. Come to this wedding even though I'm your enemy and your evil ex will also be there and he's Gosh got me well Liz. To be fair to Goliath thousand years ago was simpler time. So he didn't have an evil ex then now, but he had didn't have a billionaire cyborg arch nemesis nobody had that like major guy I mean if that's it, he's doing okay I think know that's fair but he as a leader should have some critical thinking ability. So why that's never coming into play or not coming into play enough especially when he managed to outsmart deluxe in the again previous episode, right? He was like. You thought you were going to do with thing actually we're going to skip that part. I'M NOT GONNA fall into your trap because I'm not that dumb except for the this episode is like Oh maybe I am it's hard to tell the shows written by like two dozen people. So Dimona walks in and she looks just like annoyed to be there I'm annoyed to be there. Get it. Goliath. It seems like surprised hate Liz. Do you remember that video? We talked about earlier yeah. It's never brought up. They don't bring it up here. We don't talk about it. My assumption would be the video was showing them. Footage of the gargoyles should not be surprised, but they're still like when they see the the gargoyles. So maybe because they're bigger and scarier in person, did you hear the judges accent when he started on the whole Spiel? No, I can't please feel like daddy deluxe also has a weird accent. Yes. Now we don't learn where he's from until later in the episode, but I can jump into that. Now if you'd like Jarre because apparently there from Maine have, you ever met a person from Maine I mean I've been to bar harbor multiple times. That accent yeah it's a wonderfully bizarre accent, but it's not that is not that that is a bunch of fucking nothing that was like someone trying to almost kind of Irish Kinda but also it sounded a little nordic. A. Maine. Accent, I don't know what this judge is doing and the ceremony his two seconds long. I've been some short weddings my wedding pretty short. I feel like he didn't do it. All okay. Litter wasn't enough wedding here. Legally just get married I mean you don't have to do anything to legally get married. You just really need to sign some paperwork. Yeah. Okay. Like they didn't have any shared vows or anything they didn't the fuck in judge didn't even know her name what is your legal name? My My name is Fox League League which I want to know what it was initially because obviously she legally changed it I wanNA. Know how this discussion couldn't have taken place before this scene. Yeah. Also, Fox has the most. I've ever seen I'll take your word for it. I didn't realize until she runs off a little bit that it's also short is short wedding dress that she's also wearing white tights with she has very interesting fashion choice. I. Thought it was weird that neither she nor deluxe changed before the next scene. Well, there's no time that's a fun joke in all but I mean, yes, there is because of the premise it will. We're trying not to spoil IT I. Don't know why but we're about to get there. So okay during this ceremony Dimona like. Storms off she waits till the end it only took three seconds. Sure. Fair. And goliath chases after her why the fuck does he chase after her? Yeah. Why does he care also like she's pretending to upset or something like this is bringing back emotions from their previous. Why is GRANDPA DELUXE? So angry at Fox and regular deluxe he gets really pissed is like you can't do this. Do what? Why are you? Mad Why are you shouting what is going on? I? Guess he didn't think the wedding was traditional enough or long enough, and then he's like, okay, gotTa go my and like hurries off and. I don't know that conversation made no sense to me daddy why'd you even come to this fucking wedding? Why did he show up out now because there's only so so you said, Goliath goes outside he and Dimona are reminiscing or like he wants to reminisce about their marriage or whatever. Where is Dream Boat? How could she possibly think about not showing up to this event? Okay. Based on what she says later in the episode I don't think she knew that he left like he snuck off to go to this. Just based on the how the rest of the story in the series has been portrayed. They always know where the other one his I know he whips out his half of the broken plate the Dimona gave him as a wedding gift or whatever we brought up earlier he's bringing a gift that his ex gave him. That is the thing that you do when go to a wedding I, do it all the time And then Lo and behold she has hers too Oh. Listen to this clip. Yeah. Goliath Ura. Sentimental fool you fell right into our trap. Now I have the Phoenix Gate undying tend to use it. Legras. Ten in. Exchange, the honeymoon has begun earlier than expected because it was a trick Maha. He should be seeing this shit from a mile away. Yes. That this whole thing he literally started the conversation with deluxe at the beginning of episode is I. Don't trust you and then he's like Oh you want me to come to a wedding. Okay. Cool Dude. Yeah I know I'm Liz yes you're absolutely right. So. This thing is the Phoenix Gate Phoenix Gate what's that? It's a magical dinner plate. Yeah. That is a time travel and teleportation device So this episode is time travel as it turns out ten minutes in we learn time travel I mean obviously this was all a trap like she was working what deluxe and Alexis like bring your plate I bet he'll bring his to bet right like what if he hadn't goodall Goliath we know him he'll bring that plate and we get transported. Deluxe and fax get there just in time and then daddy deluxe also comes. Mark Grandpa de runs over stop stop what I don't know. But don't do that whatever you're doing. I'm very familiar with time travel. So I know that you're about to travel back in time. Okay, so Liz Yeah grandee asks where aren't we and deluxe response the question isn't where but win and I'm sorry but apparently they traveled to. Scotland. So the question is still wear you fucking turn this same note the we're actually really matters here. It's not just win because being in Scotland when you are is very important if it was just when. God they would have been in a swamp a thousand years ago North America. We gotta go to a break yeah. After the accidental death of their close buddy Eugene with a group of six friends gathers in a backyard fallout bunker for one last game to mourn his laws and celebrate his. All his going as well as I can until on earth shaking event holds the group into a millennia long war between two inter dimensional empires follow the trials and tribulations of being in over your head when it comes to inter dimensional war inter species, relations, and the complete destruction of all universes in a beginner's guide interplanetary destruction award. Nominated Narrative podcast from the calamity cast network. Check it out on apple podcast Google. PODCAST. Stitcher and. Calamity. CAST DOT COM. Okay we are back and we're in. This episode. So yes, again, the where matters the where is so important and the win is nine, seventy, five ad the furthest back in time we've ever gone. Yeah. See Little Baby Goliath Baby Dimona. Yeah. So glide is chasing after Dimona. See them take off but we see them in the sky and Liz I sent you a screen shot of this flight seen something about traveling back in time caused old man goliaths face to melt like a candle. You know what I'm talking about. You saw at the animation in this episode, which I haven't brought up yet is awful. I don't know what the fuck they did in the ceremony seen you and I have discussed how old animation you know the backgrounds were painted and then you lay cells over the background for the actual movement because the background still move I could actually see shadow of the judge against the stone background in the castle and not like he was casting a shadow like the cell wasn't sitting properly. The. Cast a shadow on the background. Dude I don't know. But sometimes in this season, we gotta do some research. Man. Okay Goliath melts at a little, but he pulls it back together. and. Dimona, says some magic shit in disappears because as I said, it's not just a time travel advice like this'll just throw you across the room if you wanted to. You just have to think of where and win. Yeah and you gotTa say the Magic Words and dinner plate will take you there so. We go back to the woods and we see cloaked people being attacked by masked people and elects decides he needs to get on this battle and some pretty good kicks. He's got some good moves in Fox jumps into an even GRANDPA deluxe. Yeah. He's got a cool face grabbing jacket move which I guess is something that all manner fishermen know about of course yeah. To be a Maine fisherman like you have to be a pretty tough guy I mean to fight crabs and lobsters that's dangerous I. think that's how that's what crabbing us down there and like A. Fistfight him. Right make some extra delicious that way. The victory is that much sweeter. Victory with a side of melted butter. Hey, it's a really good thing that deluxe were his luminosity pin do you like just like an enamel pen like they're popular right now? Yeah. I'm? GonNa say fifteen thousand dollars Tux he poked a hole doesn't care why I guess when you're a billionaire fifteen thousand dollar talk Texas just like toilet paper to him. Yeah. That's like buying a pair of jeans from the goodwill. He didn't give a fuck three, thousand dollar suits come on. The four thousand dollar suit is holding the elevator. The guy doesn't make that much. This five dollar suit come on sixty, three, hundred dollar suit come on. This guy he removes his head and he is the worst hair was learn stare. Wow my ten year. Old Self feels very attack. No this is worse than than your average bull cut I feel like this is like Friar Tuck bull cut this is pretty bad. You're right but he removes his glove and here's like the leader of whatever chapter of the Audi- back in the nineteen hundreds. Cool. Cool. Good thing he's got the button pin whatever. So He's like, Oh, you saved us. You have some good fighting moves come along with us. Yeah. He invites them to castle with vern I. Think it's pretty clearly established castle wide vern motherfucker. I missed that part Yeah Hey Liz you've gone to a lot of weddings ran a lot. How often do you invite strangers to those weddings that you're going to is that typical just say like Hey I'm on my way to a wedding it's totally fine if you come along you and I just met but that's cool. Right you're wearing a pin so I can trust you what I mean. I guess it's a good thing this work. That's the story I? Guess it's a good thing this work out for him. This is the name of his memoir. Yeah. Also that's rude. It's rude to invite a stranger to someone else's wedding, but we find out that the person he is the bride sets different. We do find that out, but she doesn't invite them to her wedding. I know she is a matter of fact, does not speak in the scene she doesn't that's weird. But her protector man who wasn't very good at protecting her invites anyway. So we get to castle earn and Goliath ends up there. You know it's his home he knows how to find it. He sees his younger self and younger Dimona and I have to say younger him doesn't do it for me nearly as much as older him visibly smaller. They're significantly smaller and smoother, and he has a higher voice. Yeah. Well, they did Dan in the previous episode with the Arch Midge. I mean I guess it's hard to tell if they were sized differently in nine, eighty four but in nine seventy five, it was noticeable how much smaller the Dimona and Goliath were yeah older selves. So, nine, ninety, five, nine, ninety, four. That's a nineteen year difference. How old are these? How do they age I don't know I'm very curious in this episode is that like teen DM verses like thirty year old dumb or the little babies? Are they like Elvis where the age very slowly at assume that? Yeah that's more fun way to look at it. Then we saw like Romeo and Juliet situation where a couple of tweens get married. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that would've been normal I guess nine, seventy, five that's what makes their fucking relationship just pathetic like pledging myself to you forever showed up married you just hit puberty. dorks he's just figured out what your Dick Does God. So the Elvis thing. Got That makes it less luxury alliance very much would be like that sixteen or seventeen year old who's like? No this is the love of my life and I swear it and I pledge myself to you forever. I love you puts on my chemical romance and he slams as bedroom door shut. You don't even understand. I think you just made him even less attractive to me. Go all along. We go down to the courtyard and we see bull cut man and deluxe. Showing. Up to the castle, and then that's when we officially find out that the woman is Malcolm's bride to be. Anytime, there in the past in Scotland, the accents are ridiculous. I didn't understand what this accident was supposed to be that the lady and bull cut were rolling with it almost like she's like Italian she traveled from a far off land to merge shit. That's kind of how it felt like it was not even the Shitty Scottish accent show does it was I guess similar to the judge and that was like this is everywhere in nowhere this accent is nothing it's trash but must do she is from another country and say Norway. Norway she's from Norway they're merging their royal families for whatever reason Malcolm is there and is very grateful that deluxe and company saved his bride-to-be and gives him some coins. Yeah and the look on GRANDPA Deluxe 's face suggests that these are the coins that he was referring to when he arrived at Castle Wide Vern Great. We. Episode is exhausting Kellogg happens in a very short amount of time like I said earlier it's not done very well like the threads aren't connected so much tied up in a big not and episodes like Mary, go figure it out. So Malcolm is so excited that his bride to be safe and these people are here. He's like fuck tomorrow let's get married tonight and then fuck tomorrow. Go inside the Phoenix Gate was in the bride's glove. She takes her gloves off and the Phoenix plate falls out is it like shrinking and growing because when the GARGOYLES are holding it? It looks like this big. You can't see it. But like dinner plate is yeah and when the lady human has, it falls out of her glove. Liz Back in the tower, Goliath is having a hell of a time trying to explain time travel and like to play a little bit of this clip just it's ridiculous I am not a creature of sorcery. I am a visitor. From the future and I suppose you glided back in time on the wind no. Sometime in the future I attended or will attend the wedding of an enemy and I was a will be tricked into helping us all back here by magic. I don't know what my enemies purpose in this time. This is an accurate portrayal feel of trying to explain time travel because it can be difficult and confusing. Oh, for sure it's a very complicated matter but also like I'm surprised he was able to save that much because who explained time travel to him other than he was back in time yeah. I was experiencing it as enough. I don't know when you explain time travel out loud you sound. Like an insane person that's because it's not real that you know of okay. Fine. We moved to the arch majors lab and this actually answers the question that you and I had yet last season you and I discussed whether or not the arch midge was ever an ally to Prince Malcolm and I guess technically he is slash was at one point because we go into his lab this is very much to me like a Jaffar kind of thing. In Latin where I'm the trusted adviser who does magic all so but I'm also like secretly plotting against the throne. He was plotting against the throne. Necessarily he just seems inherently bad I mean I'm assuming he wanted that plate for bad reasons. Sure. But not necessarily against to the throne when you think about it, I guess but he was stealing it from him. Okay. So the arch made hired those bandits to steal the phoenix plate because he needs the plate, the grinker, fizzle dazzle magic, the Magic Book and The eye of Odin, which is an entirely different region of the world and religious slash cultural beliefs. But sure whatever and he'll be like super duper magic. He'll be most magic, but this part was the second thing I thought was really interesting about this episode. Yeah I agree. So he's talking to someone in the lab and then the camera pans and UC he's talking to his apprentice who is Domoni It's a pretty good twist. It is a guitarist I liked that and I like that finally gave some information regarding her magical background because that seemed. So out of left field for so long. Yeah. We've often brought up how it's so crazy that she just knows spells really. Well, this is fucking y she studied under a powerful wizard by any rate. She's been given the task to steal the plate, which is the important part here. That is true. And so we move to the castle courtyard where deluxe is hatching Blumenauer plans and Matt is going to be so fucking thrilled when he finally finds out that the luminosity is real, can I play you? Alexis plan yes. The society is to wait one thousand years and then deliver the first envelope to a young David Santos of bar. Harbor. Maine. That envelope contains one of the coins Prince Malcolm gave me earlier. It's practically worthless now nine, seventy five. But by nineteen seventy-five, if it will be worth about twenty grand, the second envelope is to be delivered twenty years after the I, it contains a detailed account of how the coin was obtained. That's how I knew how to set this all up. I received instructions from myself last week. So your CPAP I am indeed a self made man he has to go to the past because he went to the past. That's like that circular loop I will not lie. This is where time travel always kind of loses me because something has already happened. He has to ensure that it actually happens right. But then how did that already happened like I get? So confused has to happen because it already happened. So it has to happen because it already happened like it can't not happen. So you have to ensure that it happens the. Time travel loops there's another school of time travel. Thought I'm not super well versed. Idea but. You know that thought that correcting something breaks something else. So you can't ever actually affect the past Neapolis. Obviously is not that make sound killing baby Hitler would cause something else to break which would make an even worse thing happened like splitting of the timelines, the butterfly effect and all that. Yeah. So Baby Hiller has to live to be adult Hitler and so on and so forth because the consequences of that not happening or even more catastrophic that kind of theory of time travel. I like time travel, but it's tough to do right exactly and I've seen in red sox. Travel related things. Way More Awful Shit Oh. Sure. It's really easy to fuck so easy to fuck up but. His plan is weird and interesting like he sent a coin too young him. That's how he gets. The coin is a self made man himself was given that coin. Then he sent that coin to feature him. Yeah and then also a letter with the instructions feel like that should have been a much longer letter. Hey, invest in apple invest in Microsoft maybe he did we don't know. But Yeah Daddy Deluxe is like Kuku cool. How effective we get home, which is a fair question. Now, really the point of this exchange though I think daddy deluxe is just over his shit will. It's weird how he's so dismissive of the fact that he travelled through time and his son like I, mean I guess if I was deluxe I would be more annoyed than anything else. My Dad if my dad was like, yeah, this is all whatever. When are we going home dude do you realize the mackin nations I have set into motion? Do you see what I did I'm a fucking God. Yeah no wonder deluxe is the way he is, and it's attention seeking. That's really that's a good point is daddy issues. I am a fucking king look at what I have done like. Dessert right nothing's ever good enough daddy. So deluxe just keeps having to do more and more and more. Am I going to remake the world and my image for you do of respect me and that's like I wouldn't bother value but I would have respected you if you just have a fisherman. To Fish. Don't like you. Suddenly his next Robo suit is just like a lobster. What about now dad. lobsters, pinchers listener. CLACK clack clack listeners don't know but there is some top notch miming on our show. Both get very animated with our movements. We really should have like got a livestream. This thing we do Liz we're going to the bride's quarter. Yeah. This woman is never given a name I. think she gets two lines. You think it's because she's not allowed a name until she's married maybe then she just Princess Malcolm's wife. Who then gives birth to Princess PEA PANTS YEAH I'm sure that you're the same I like me and the nameless princess here you love brushing her hair with your eyes closed ignoring the world around you might correct it's just so relaxing. Yeah. Often just mindlessly spend our is brushing my hair lost in a sea of nothingness as I close my eyes and ignore everything the Gargoyles perched on my window sill stealthily reaching over to steal my magic plate style or is just regularly. Reached over to grab your beer right now, like that's how it was like you don't see. The Phoenix Plate is sitting on the dresser or whatever I thought. This was going be difficult like Stealth Mission Dimona is perched in the window sill says, oh, there it is grabs it turns around and leaves up and that was that got it and then we go elsewhere I don't know if you're looking at my notes at all but I described it mostly in capital letters can I just read my notes listeners? Young Dimona has the plate and older. Dimona shows a for reasons in young goliath spots. This meeting of the minds an old goliath tells Hudson Young Goliath cannot go check this out and the to Damone is the teleport and then one of the glance flies down and the whole thing takes fifteen minutes a very slow process I heard that too and I swear to God this is all happening on the screen but. The words that I'm saying I, don't know if you understood him them I did not. Okay. So a Goliath swoops down during the teleportation seen. Okay right. Right and the fire bubble and I swear to God it's old gliding tells Hudson to stop the glass swooping down. So Hudson flies off. Okay. Young Goliath I think it's young Goliath flies into the fire bubble and then we cut to a distant shot the fire. Bubble. Disappears and then Hudson and Goliath is standing there. So what I think happened old goliath and Hudson repurched perched up here. Yes. Old Glide sees the younger go a little bit further down but not as far down as the Dimona as like Oh, fuck cannot go check that out right stop him and like cool I got it to Hudson's hoops down to young Goliath an old goliath unlike dive bombs down to. The bubble, we don't see. Oh goliath. We see a you're not wrong as it turns out you are describing what happened but it doesn't track visually we see young Goliath look at the fire bubble. So what is that gotTA check that out? All goliath and distances like, Hey, he can't do that, and then somehow they swapped places was my brain hurts now I think we should rest. I'm going to go take some advil. Listeners into Alpha male bad ass ladies and happily ever after then check out another great calamity cast podcast Dick the week where I chat with my other two co host. But everything we love in sometimes hate about both writing and reading romance novels. So grab a glass of wine get comfortable and let's get down and dirty about romance find it on calamity cash dot com or wherever you find your podcast. and. We are back in still very frustrated with the. Episode wants to do a lot especially right here where the Dimona have teleported still castle waiver and but now we're ninety four and we see kesselring just burning. Yeah, we see castle. On fire, we see rubble we see piles of dead gargoyles. Goliath perched at the top. That's his spot win is this goliath and Hudson are on a fucking hill somewhere they don't make it back in time and then the castles attacked by the time Goliath gets back to that castle. It's calm. It's it's rubble, but it's calm. He doesn't turn to stone at the top of that castle until the Magus curses him. Exactly. So that means that all of the humans that were rescued. By the Gargoyles let that place burn as they're moving back into it. Yeah. The princesses they're the mega says there fuck is this I don't know if it's on fire just. So we understand that it's after the battle, but that doesn't make sense for stone Goliath. No at all because the fire was not happening when he was like, fuck, it just turned me to stone. Why would it? Why wouldn't anyone put that fun? I I. Guess they're just trying to make drama. All right. So the Dimona 's are there the night the clan was destroyed old to Mona's like look at what happens when this guy is in charge he loves humans more than he loves us you can't trust him. God dammit list you have a take on this I'm struggling because this episode is just my question I had when this was happening is this how Dimona survives the attack because current Dimona shows pass Dimona, this is what's going to happen and so she avoids being killed because we still don't know how she survived the castle attack maybe I was wondering where's glass half of the Phoenix Plate for the next thousand years is it up his but like where is it? Because it would make sense for young Dimona to survive that way like she just transported into the future of week or a month after the attack on the castle like what if? But she doesn't have both hands. Where was it in the intervening millennium? What we also don't know? Yeah. Because at this point, she has the full one she hasn't broken in half yet fucking. So what is happening is basically, Dimona is trying to show her younger self what a bad person glances and don't let love get in the way of what can be yours. But as we know about this version of time travel, what happens will always happen in happens because it has to happen because it happened. So, old Dimona already knows this conversation isn't going to work because of how she broke the thing in half at the wedding and gave it to. Goliath. Yeah, because it happened so. Do it. Why does old Dimona try to convince young Dimona because she knows it doesn't work because it didn't work because Dimona and she has to be fucking dramatic and she has to have a speech about killing all the heavens and early in the world is just unbranded for her well young Dimona. She doesn't care. She doesn't believe it should fall for any of it. She's like you're not even my real mom. I'm never going to be like you your old look at all your wrinkles. So. Just is like all right. Well, if you're not gonNA, just be convinced I'm just GonNa. beat their share of you. It's not a good fight. It's not one of Gargoyles best fights. There's no good fights in this episode, this episode is trash, but anyway, Goliath yeah stops the attack. Yeah Goliath wakes up he was kicked unconscious. I forgot that part Yeah Mona. He's there he's just unconscious and he wakes up and smacks the shit out of old Dimona tackles. All Dimona. So she's out of commission right now a hand young Dimona is sad blah blah blah blah. Blah goliath gives her some pretty shitty advice. Let's take a listen. What am I to do? Do. Nothing nothing. Do. Not Wait or look for this catastrophe live in the moment attending the petty jealousies and angers that prey upon your heart, fortify yourself with love and trust, and you need not fear this future but most of all. Fulfill the vows of love you make. For the can surely save you I shall. You have my oath. Wants to. Hey girl. Listen I, know you have the knowledge and power to save your entire clan and perhaps change the future of our race but just forget about it don't pay attention to what you now know is going to happen and just live your life girl. Yeah. What? An. Okay. Can you speculate as to why? Goliath is. We're just GonNa go ahead and let what happened happened. I'm just going to the sentimental reason and be like life wants to be in the nineteen hundreds in New York City to have his dream boat lady that's really fucking selfish then, and perhaps he shouldn't be the leader of clan of Gargoyles that used to consist of way more. But now are just four others. Maybe he just knows Dimona and knows that like she'll obsess over this thing and potentially make it worse and maybe that's why he like just don't worry about it. I don't know his speeches horrible. I don't know what he wants to happen. He wants all the Gargoyles to die apparently. We go back to nine seventy five. And Ago I takes all the future folk back to the extreme ninety. That's I mean slightly more than happens but yeah, I mean that's pretty much all that matters and then the arch made shows up to like yell at Dimona. It's pretty much and she's hiding the fact that she has the plate. The arch majors like kind of attacking her and Hudson steps in and stops it good good for good. So the arts major says you know the strange left I'm gonNA blame the theft of the Phoenix plate on them. That's what I'm gonNA tell. Prince Malcolm what does Prince Malcolm even actually know about the play in why does he actually care for all? We know is this a trinket like a decorative thing that is like from her land that she's bringing for gift for him for the wedding? Does she know that it's magical? That's a good question. There's not enough. Explanation as to who knows what about this? Yeah, and he goes off and then Goliath shows up and that's when we get back to the beginning of the episode of Oh. We're GONNA be late for the wedding. Let's go. Yeah. They go to the wedding. It's instill is like Nah Pass doesn't change buddy I'm not going to that wedding. Now we're back in Kassel Waiver nineteen five everyone is where they're supposed to be in time but Dimona remembers glide speech and is like ha ha sucker I remember everything you said nothing changed you can't change touch it it didn't work. Yeah. Her thesis statement for this time Travel Shit and Alexis these a statement for this time travel shit. Our exact opposites. Yes. Because she's saying that you can't change the past. No matter what you do whereas deluxe is like, Oh, no, you motherfucking shirt can here's the proof I live in a castle at the top of the clouds swell and I think maybe more. So for her like she's always going to be evil no matter what I wish we had. Seen. More nine seventy five Dimona to get a feel for her personality. She seems very nice other than she's learning this magic but that doesn't necessarily mean anything bad like we don't see her using it in a bad way. I mean, I guess since she's printing for the arch madge, he wants to steal some shit. We can question her morals. Yeah. She didn't do anything that was outright horrible and that reach meant nothing is really her point. I'm still a jerk. You. Your words fall on deaf ears, kind of thing. So the gargoyles leave to go back home daddy deluxe gets real fucking Sassy here. This he grabs a penny and flings it at deluxe is like here maybe thousand years this will be worth tons like that's all you care about money. Toward. Is Anymore honestly I mean he's a billionaire when you're full, you don't hunger no matter how much food you have. You can have a full pantry like I have food hunger for this. Yeah. Because I know it's there he hungers for the power now, which also presumably doesn't make any sense but whenever daddy deluxe is just a jerk, he is angry maybe because his wife left him long ago and he doesn't want to see other people. Happy. We move to the clock tower. LA's dream. Boat. In Brooklyn are yelling at Hudson about rescuing lives we got to go rescue him in Hudson isn't worried because he has the memories of everything happened. Did he always have the memories like this time travel thing or did memories just form when got back like I don't understand the memories mean here because he didn't know that he was gonna go time travel but he'd Oh shit he did forgot. So Hudson all along knew that a guy was going to go to that wedding be that he was gonna go back in time matter of fact, Hudson is always known that on this night November first nineteen ninety-five. Goliath was go back in time. Yeah. Because he did that makes sense. Dream bites upset though to Hudson's like. No matter what I tell you won't believe me but it's GonNa be fine. Right and that's one goliath shows up and he hardcore GRUMP scrumptious. I didn't understand this ending I didn't either it actually made me really upset. Okay. Thank you promised me wouldn't go and he totally blows her off. No, he didn't. He never promised her she earlier said you know you can't go to that and he was like, yeah, you're right. That's not a fucking promise. That's just telling you I. Hear that you're yelling at me. Yeah. You're right. So she's all upset also sorry according to Time I didn't have a choice and he just like goes away and is being little grumpy and like nostalgic I guess I watched these last few shots, multiple times I didn't understand what was happening. It was like he was thinking back on when he and Dimona lake arm and arm and had pledged themselves together and then she fades away to be like, oh, no machine inherit loan. So do you still love her and you imagine having the? Kind of relationship that he now has with Dimona instill feeling the style GIC. That's fucking insane. Man. Oh God. That's not the definition of like an abusive relationship. It's nuts and it's like during their actual relationship things may have been fine everything in between then and now he's even thought that before an episodes he has been like anything I might have felt for her before that doesn't exist anymore unless someone else writes me right and unless someone puts a wedding memory in my brain now I'm good old sir. Okay Sir. Go Talk to her she was being an asshole is she was, but that's the end of the episode I don't understand the shot now drawn very well maybe side trying to figure out something about this episode I just got the Wiki fan page or whatever. It said that the ending was actually supposed to be showing him Dimona the castle doesn't he lives in the clock tower now that doesn't make sense. Yeah. It looked like a picture of Goliath and Dimona, in the clock tower. which doesn't make any sense 'cause she's never been there was supposed to be the castle. Okay. Yeah I don't know I saw this episode was like neutral to slightly negative for me and then more thinking about them like no, if I can hate it. Yeah. Let's one more break. I'M NOT GONNA shout into the void, but we're gonNA take a break. Wanted. One hundred zero and a fantastic leading lady to be brought to life with love and loss cast indulgent in radio drama filled to the brim with romance laughs and all those wonderfully awkward moments to come with a new relationship and don't forget those delicious sexy parts that make romance novels. Oso Fun to enjoy season. One of eleven left is available now at calamity cast dot com or anywhere that he can todd cats. Like. I said we're we're back I wouldn't lie. We're here Liz we just finished gargoyles season two episode vows. Really like to know what you think of this episode. If anybody listens in, you're on twitter. Shout at us. Let us know what you thought. I hated it Liz. What did you think? It might be my least favorite I walked away from this episode. A COUPLE OF TIMES DIDN'T WANNA keep watching it kept pausing it and just went looking for something else to do because I was like, no, no is so bad. So that's my rating. So. I. Asked you earlier I asked him before recorded. What is this episode about I feel like it's about deluxe fulfilling his destiny you kind of thing like. Because he specifically did this thing which led to the life he has he had to like insure that it actually happened and he didn't care how that affected other people. But like I guess, Dimona tell him bt dubs I have half of this plate and Goliath has the other. Did you know that lets you time travel like they get that information from he had to have known because he knew that's the thing about these circular time travel stories that he already knew because he went back into the past and then he affected his future. So his past self told his future self that it was going to happen. So there's no way it couldn't happen because it did happen. What's the one piece of advice you'd give your younger self you went back in time out one piece of advice. You maybe it's lame but I would tell younger me that the time you have your loved ones is limited and to appreciate. The time you have with them since. Both my parents are deceased and I was sixteen nineteen. When that happens I think especially would been like, Hey, those couple years you have after dad before mom dies limit up with mum like we had a good relationship but like Well you know what it's tells me I would tell them. To not be selfish and to utilize that time. Better good luck trying to tell a teenager not to be selfish you know. That's a tall order right now what would yours? We don't sell the Ludwig. Vista like drum kit. Why I miss it ever since. How many kids are? Surrounding Mirror House therefore for kits and I told my wife the last drum kit I would ever buy would be allowed waiting hammer vista light. had. One when I was fifteen, it was my first drum kit and I sold it. And I wanted it back for almost the time Oh my God. I would tell myself not to sell veterans. You're going to regret it exactly regret fuck that Shit. Have Very few regrets. That's one of them. Do you like time travel stories I do. I think they're tough but I like the concept I like when they're done well, which is difficult I mean the most recent one was the vendors in game I thought that one was fun. Yeah. Think they fucked with the time line and fix the time line? I had my fun time travel story didn't break anything. So nothing matters. Yeah. I sort of liked looper that was a good time travel story I. Good. Just GonNa throughout twelve monkeys as a time travel story. I hated because I know my wife listened to the show. I just watched palm. Springs. It's a Hulu It's kind of a groundhog day kind of time travelling and I really really liked it. I. Love. GROUNDHOG. Yes. Great Story Anyway. That's been another episode of defenders of the night. We did it in the bag. Can you believe it now felt forever sorry people. Every episode we'd like to say, thank you to Ian McGowan for creating the interstitial music that we use on our show in McGowan. Banks Buddy we know. Check him out on Instagram and twitter an easy underscore breezy understood Mac and listened to more of his music at good deed music band can't dot com or sweet gum S. T. L. Dot band camp dot, com. If you WANNA, talk gargoyles or your favorite time travel tales used to hash tag gargoyles on twitter. 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#464 - 7th Day Adventist vs. David C. Smalley

Dogma Debate

1:52:40 hr | 6 months ago

#464 - 7th Day Adventist vs. David C. Smalley

"Skip the commercials and get extra long shows with behind the scenes access at Patriot dot com. Slash David C smalley. For more than ten years. He's built a reputation of exploring beliefs and changing. And with today's division. It's time to resurrect nuance. And bring back, the art of conversation. They'll make you laugh. You may upset you. But most importantly. He'll make you think from Los. Angeles California this. Is David C smalley? That intro. I WANNA listen. I don't know about you. I WanNa hear what's going on. This. Better, be good that announce a really hype. This guy up. Welcome to the show. I have dealt with a lot of individual biblical issues on this podcast. Way Back to the early early days. Eight years ago nine years ago, I created a segment called Atheist Bible study. And we would sit around with our bibles. Sometimes we would get into one specific story and talk about it. Sometimes we have Christian studio to give their interpretation of it a lot of times. We were just being. DOPES and and and. Making Fun of the analogies but overall. It was kind of a learning experience, right? We were trying to dive into it, and then it sort of evolved into. this cool segment when Donovan was on still one of my favorite people of all time, and yes, we're still in touch. He's a great guy. I would civil Donovan in Donovan would pull out his Bible and he would have. Let's say new English translation. And I would have the new world translation for the shift from the Jehovah's Witnesses, and then someone else have King James and then. Four or five of US would sit around and and read different. You know we would pick one Bible verse in read it and see how different it was from version to version and one thing that had us do is go. When someone says the word of God. I won't believers to understand when when we hear the word of God which which one you know, that's part of the confusing thing. We all of us that were sitting around. We reformed Christians. And we were just confused by the word and the interpretation, and in some some I wanNA bring the segment back when when I get back to having people in Studio, and we get back down to star Burns and in Burbank and we get back in person I wanNA. Sit some people around Christians, atheists, or whoever wants to do it and sit around with different versions of the Bible and break down the scriptures, because there are some things that some verses that are a little uncomfortable are just not in Jehovah's Witness version. and they're just. They're verses that are just not there, and it makes you wonder and when I had pastor Greg Lacan. To address his challenge. As, he held up the Bible and said I think he rattled off like this is seven, hundred, eighty, five, thousand, two, hundred, ninety one words, and every single one of them is the word of God and he went into his whole spiel. The first question I had for him was. Because you're version has seven hundred thousand, but this one has seven, hundred, ninety, three thousand. This'll has eight, hundred, forty, one thousand. This one has six, hundred, fifty, six, thousand and. What what are you talking about? Which which version which which era which translation? He happened to be an original King James. Some people are new King James. some people believe that the further on we get technology, the better we can translate others. Look at it like the older the better because it's closest to the original son say well, we have more words in the English language than the previous, and now you understand why so many people who read the Bible stop believing the Bible or at the very least stop trusting it. Today's show is really about that. It's about a story in the Bible that I've really never addressed on this podcast so. You may be thinking. Yeah, this is a this is a clear classic Dogma debate. That's what this show is going to be a classic example of what I started doing, and I get to go back to this. Because I've never covered David and Goliath I, just never have, and for many years I. Always as an atheist assumed it was just false, it was just a fake, just a story of a giant, and that's it. And then you start to dig around in little and like with a lot of things. There are Christian youtubers Christian bloggers. Who claimed to have scientific evidence of the existence of Goliath, and and his his hometown and proof that the giants lived in this area, and then you see disagreement among Christians about how tall Goliath was about how heavy his armor was about how big the spear was! Seen this sort of discounted as something that didn't really matter, because it doesn't really talk to the resurrection of Jesus or the existence, of God, it's just a story that even if it were true, it doesn't really affect rather or not. God exists right. and there's some background. We're going to get into that, but I you guys know how go hunting on Tiktok for my next Christian guests, and I really I just spent so much time on the at because I, love it. Follow me there David Z. Smalley. And I came across What just snapped onto my Tiktok feed as a guy, a gigantic spear? And it's called the spear of Goliath, and you know. I had to watch this I mean who dives into Christian content more than yours truly. And as man's holding this and so I watched the rest of it and I wanNA play. This audio for you now you can go find him on tiktok yourself. the name on Tiktok is lost. World Museum Lost World Museum. No spaces are underscores. You're going to be able to see this video. It's called the legendary spear of Goliath and I WANNA play the audio for you right now. The video that I came across. That made me reach out to this guy and say hey. Come on the show. Here's what happened. Here we go. MY HANDS IS A. Close as he can come to. Authentic replication of the spirit. Goliath thing is thirty three pounds. It is twelve feet seven inches tall. It has a counterbalance weight that you don't want to get poked on on the there is two inches in diameter is. Ten feet long the shaft in. We've got twenty six sixteen. Seventeen pound iron head to this. This thing is heavy. My arms are starting to get I so I had the fool that like this, because when I put my arms. Arms out straight I could not live like that. I had to put my arm. Something like this that having. While and then it ends with what kind of man would could wield such a weapon. The menu were hearing. There is John Adolfo. And I would like to welcome him to the show right now. John thanks so much. For joining me, I hope I'm saying your last name correctly. Yes you are. Thank you David Dolphin Yup. Dolphin fantastic. So that speer looked mighty, tell us the story behind how you got your hands on that and What made you create that video? You know it all went back to stumbling upon this on the Internet. And I was doing some research on Goliath and I found this fellow that had made. A replica of. His spear. And I contacted him, and we got talking on the phone and it just so happened that he was touring. And? He was going to be in Syracuse which is you know half an hour from me? So. He invited me down. We went to some. Baptist Church whatever? And he spoke for about forty five minutes. On the subject of Goliath and then he had the gloves spear standing straight up. All twelve and a half feet, or so of it. And he had. A case with glass, where you could stick your hands through these two holes and lift up the fifteen sixteen pound iron portion of it. You know so you get a sense of how much how much it weighs, and then some photos and whatnot some I mean sorry, some artist renditions of some things and And a few other little artifacts. Replicas and it was a it was quite interesting. I mean I had done quite a bit of research on Goliath prior to this so what he had done was four years of extensive research and I knew the guy was an Slouch, after I got talking to him, and after seen presentation, and how he packed up the item in this custom box, and how he put gloves on, as he took the thing apart to make sure no oil got uncertain than on my going. Okay, so this guy is one of those fellas. Real meticulous, you know when it comes to he and I could tell that he was conveyed conservative to in that. When he had to make a decision on on something he would side with a side of you. Know lesser is more like the with well I'll get into to some of the proportions of the shaft in the in the spirit self. If you'd like, but so then he was. That's how it how that happened. And then while we were there after everybody was packing up, he did a little bit one on one time with my wife, Kristen and I. And that's when we broke out the IPHONES and started taking some photos, and then videoing these these two clips, not thinking. We're going to do anything with them but I thought since he was there. Let's do. So then fast forward on. Sunday. Stumble onto tiktok Tock. And then. You know one of the videos that we created. I just got an idea and we put the two clips together at a few little. Titles and whatnot in text and and released it, and it's one of the most popular that I. have on the on the. And we got like fifty thousand fifty sixty thousand views. You know so. It's been pretty popular. it's it's. It's fascinating to look at something like that and wonder what if you know and normally I approach things with questions and and I think my listeners may be shocked to hear my comment on Tiktok because I'm normal, I read it back and I was like well I was I wasn't having a good day that day. I'm usually much more respectful, but what I said was my comment your video just to show you guys I'm not perfect. Either I said talking donkeys, giants, zombies, chatty snakes, magic fruit, and resurrections, and they wonder why we don't believe. and you were very gracious. You said rained on rocks three billion years ago and proof improve live is just as much fantasy as adamant aliens, theories, and other those really funny, and so actually I'm lacking. Come right now. And then people started asking. Why don't you believe what's going on? Yeah, and so I just invited Joe, said Hey, you go to my website. go to David Smalley. Click guest and I'd love to talk to you you did it came through and here we are so I'm wondering now. Your your name Lost World Museum. Do you have other things like this, do you? Do you travel around? Do you have? Do you investigate things like this? What's why why the name lost world? Museum That started off as an idea of taking different scenes of the Bible and in making some kind of Diorama and this was back in the. Two thousand, even before that it was ninety three I was thinking in those terms, but you know I kind of put it down, and then in two thousand I brought the idea back up and I thought this'll be cool and you know. Wouldn't it be cool to do like Disneyland, but for you know things in the Bible and everything you know and I didn't know that it had been attempted. A couple of different times through the years on whatever scale and Ken Ham Ridley. Can Ham close with the art parking? and He did He got the wrong, but he did launch quite. A spectacle that Jessica did you ever go see it. No I was there in two thousand five, when the museum itself was just about half done. I was down in that area. At the time. You mean the creation museum or the ARC. The I'm sorry. The Creation Museum is what I saw two thousand five. Arc Arc was pretty new I was actually at a protest against the Ark and not to be clear. Who those people were was me man that was us. They're a lot of my listeners. A lot of the people from the tri-state area of a free thinker group were there and the. Do you know the reason behind the protests? I'm I'm from your perspective. You thought we were there. In June I mean this. I don't mean this facetiously at all. When I say okay. When I saw that because he got understand, I was I was not a Believer D- For twenty three years. I So I. Know Both sides of the coin little bit. A little bit and And I thought to myself if these people are genuinely appalled at this or really are protesting, the ignorance that this could influence other people's minds, holding back the progress of mankind whatever I'm thinking to myself. Why pry draw the attention to it I would just leave it alone. Ever just sit there and laugh at it. Laugh at it like normally skeptics do it's beyond. They don't even want to have a conversation because it's. Too Beneath Them I mean that's what I get a lot of times and that just leave it alone. If it so laughable, but I found it funny that they were take keen it. It was Kinda strange because they were taking it serious, but there. Ethin- like goofy you know on an, but just the energy and stuff involved in it and whatever seriousness? There wasn't I I didn't get it I. Quite honestly didn't get it. What? What can you tell me? I can tell you this and I'm so glad you said that because that's. It's interesting that a lot of people who drive past protesters don't really understand why they're protesting. right like for example I. Actually on my way back here I just drove through an area where there are more black lives matter protests out here in. La and I was honking and waving everybody and super peaceful. They're out of the roads. They're actually on the street. Corners but There is a guy out of his truck. He had a big trump flag on his truck and he was g jumped out of the truck to scream at people that cops are angels sent by God, and you? People are this new people or that and I'm going. Do you think they're like? The anti-cop movement is different from the black lives matter movement, and he doesn't really understand that black lives matter means black lives matter to. It hasn't really felt like that to black folks for a very long time, and they want to be included as part of important people, and sometimes it doesn't feel that way if you look at the statistics. But it's not an affront or an attack on. Anyone else it's saying we WANNA be treated with the same respect as everybody else. So when you jump out of your truck and scream all lives matter. You think they hate white people. Do you think they're saying black lives? Only and everybody else should die like it's a complete misunderstanding of the protest. And then you end up with people, angry and fighting and driving through crowds, and then pepper spray, and if you really just took a moment to have some nuance in a decent conversation, you would understand where they're coming from I tried to do that on a recent episode with Brian Fisher, and I got into explaining it, and for the first time in ten years of having this show. Someone hung up on me Brian. Fischer got so frustrated when I was detailing out why people say things like white privilege and tone deaf Let me explain what why you may hear that because what you just said really didn't really missed the mark of my question, and he just got irate and hung I wasn't I was talking him. Just like I'm talking to you now. He got irate and disconnect the call, and it was it shocking that even in trying to explain the position people get so divided and black or white, and just hang up and get angry and don't WanNA listen. That's exactly what the movement is about. It's about listening and so. I'm so glad that we're having this conversation that you saw us out there, but probably on on TV or or on blogs or whatever YouTube YouTube. And, you saw us out there and and you're like Blake. These these jackasses doing his laugh at little here. Here's the real story behind that. Ken Ham so just to be clear. I have never in my life, and I've been around thousands of atheists for ten years at multiple conventions. Skeptic conferences in you name it. I never once. Heard of a protest or a demonstration. That was just because the atheist didn't like it. if a church on their own. Erected some massive. Or Monument or a seven headed dragon from revelations whatever they wanted to do on their own land with their own money. Atheist are not going to show up in protest that. That's never case what happens is when Kim Ham. built that he got the state of Kentucky or the county I. Believe someone in the I think it was the state of Kentucky. To give him eighteen million dollars of taxpayer money. To build this religious monument. Yet yet and operated by with an LLC. But ran it like a nonprofit, so he was working the system to get the benefits of a nonprofit, a religious nonprofit manning He got all sorts of government grants and tax payer money to help him, but then he operated like LLC and also got tax breaks for spending money, putting his own money into it as part of building a business, and then got some sort of educational grant by saying by trying to set up this mandate that all of the schools in the area will have to take a field trip through his arc as part of science as part of a science class. And so. So the religious committee members and again it's been several years so I. Don't remember if this was on the state level or the county level, but I remember it being a pretty big deal so I'm thinking state. But I they kept saying Kentucky Legislators Kentucky. Taxpayers are to foot the bill to the amount of eighteen million dollars toward the Ark, and then when Qin Ham was hiring people. He was using his ministry, okay, his ministry to hire people, and made them sign a statement of faith. So if you were if you were applying for a job to be a janitor at this place, you had to be a Christian if you said you did not believe. Jesus Christ rose from the dead if you were Muslim, if you were Hindu. If you were Ju- If you were atheist, he could discriminate against hiring you because his ministry was providing the employment, but it was considered a private company paid for in part by the tax, paying citizens meaning all the atheists. Atheists Jews Muslims native Americans Hindus whatever. We're footing the bill for this Ark, but couldn't get a job working there because he could legally discriminate, so we were protesting him using eighteen million dollars of taxpayer money were like. If you WANNA do it, do it on your own and do it by yourself with your own money. Take your own risk, and if you're going to use taxpayer money, you're not allowed to discriminate when it comes to hiring so the the the Kentucky. Kentucky government was letting him. get the benefits as a non profit, but also allowing him to discriminate as though he were a church. Right, because if I apply at Church and I'm an atheist. They can legally say we don't want the atheist. Be Teaching Bible Study Right. They have that right just like an atheist nonprofit can say we don't want to hire a Christian to run our library or to be in charge of our science department, right? They have that ability. Ability, but if you are a a regular public company, and you're receiving benefits and funds from the government. You don't get to do that. That's why boy scouts got in so much trouble. There were getting a ton of money from the government, but they were saying. You have to have signed a statement of faith in order to join Nah. You can't do that. Which is why they had to disband that portion and allow more people in. You can't discriminate like that. When you see atheist protesting, there is almost always some form of legislation tied to what's going on because we tend to be protesting on behalf of equality of everyone, and not allowing Christians to be treated with a special privilege. Understood Understood awesome, so does that make that makes sense to you. Why why we were out. Yeah absolutely, and then what was what was happening like the? They agree I'm sorry, go ahead away. Go ahead. You'll have a great point and I had visited that myself when we were forming Lost World Museum back two thousand five. We'll get to that. I'm sure at some point, but I understand what you're saying and I agree with what you're saying. And that was one of the reasons why we didn't incorporate. Yes, I didn't want to. What I didn't want to say. We were religious and I didn't want to say. We are educational because I didn't want to choose between one or the other, in case that I'm encroaching on one of the other as a as an LLC or a corporation, or whatever and that's why I remained. As a sole proprietor, because of that makes total sense and look. Ken was trying to make the argument that he was a benefit to the community because he was educational, and the schools could bring their their students in for science class. Well. The what was the scope monkey trials? Settled that you're not, you're not allowed to teach. Biblical creation as part of science class. That's a that's a church based thing. The school deals with what science can prove, and so I'm not saying again. Atheist aren't saying. Don't have your beliefs. I would like to not teach your kids that, but you certainly have the right to protest it. Teach your kids what you want your kids to learn, but understand that the school is paid for by the entire community. The Public School is paid for by everybody, and we have collectively decided through court cases and everything else. Activism and we've worked out that. Evolution is the science is the proven science and people may disagree with aspects of it, and that's fine, but right now that's where we stand, and that's what's taught in the schools. So if you're now going to cross the line and say you need to bring your your children to my religious indoctrination museum. And that makes me benefit. That's another aspect of of that. We were going hold on a second. There are again atheist and Jews and Hindus and Muslims and native Americans, who do not want their kids subjected to this religious ideology in public school and we've already handled this, so you're breaking the law, but you what you consider breaking the law is a a benefit. Benefit to the community, and that to the tune of eighteen million dollars is why why we showed up there, and if you then see atheist, reactions of as being goofy with it, it's because some of the Christians one of which was Eric Hoven down to the protests, and invited us to go on tour and I. They let us in for free. everybody got video the atheist. We're getting video. The Christians were getting video. It was a publicity stunt, but we were there to protest. They invited us in and several of US went through, and I had a I had a personal guided tour with Eric. And there's video of me just like. Like. There's literally the what they call a Unicorn on the Ark and it just I'll spoiler alert. It turns out to be right office, but We we went. We went through there and and there are signs up all over the like there was one. I forgot who I was with. I am I was so long ago, but at one point. We get to the point where they're talking about who was on the Ark. and they mentioned Noah. And they mentioned his sons names, and then they start listing all of his all of their wives names. And I'm standing there I'm looking at that sign and some I feel like it was a woman walked up and said. How did they know the names of the wives? And I said you know. I was sitting here thinking I. Don't remember the names being listed, so we pull out our phones. We Google it. There's nothing in the Bible that says the names of the wives, but they have them named like Ariel and I've all the names, but there are several names of the wives and they've listed them all. And, then there's a sign right below it. Go there we go, and we take a picture of the sign that says We have granted ourselves artistic license when it comes to naming. So what they've done is basically just put a sign up. That says sometimes we just make stuff up. But, but you want us to bring our kids there. As part of science class, it's just. It was just mind boggling. It created so many issues. It kind of put it on display for a lot of people. It was fun to go through and about and it was a fun experience, so we were kind of. goofiness and the because I heard the protest I heard that what you had just said earlier, I heard that, but the goofiness in the in the making fun of it and everything so overrode everything. That's all I. could really that was the thing that left the impression on on me after. Years of It was it was hilarious to watch. It actually thought I could say from your perspective. I totally get that. If you see us just goofing on it thinking, it's silly. Out there protesting, you're like what you're just bringing. Attention jackasses. Yeah, there was a real reason why we were against it and. Got It from. was. It said from what I hear I just think. Right Oh, yeah, of course, and and again I think that's why. Again nuances so important as if you only spend a little bit of time, and you only look at the exciting beds, just like if you flip on the news if you flip on the news for thirteen seconds and then turn the TV off, you're probably going to think that every protest turning into a riot when in fact, right, it's a tiny tiny percentage of of a few. That are doing it and it's I. Don't know but. I'm glad we got to talk about that because yeah, it's important that people know you know the reality there. All right, so let's dive in. Let's get into Goliath. Okay I've been fascinated this. I gotTa tell you. This is only my listeners. Don't know about me I. Probably since the time I found out about Goliath. Remember Hearing six Cubans, he was six cubits, and a span and I didn't know what that meant, and I remember asking my mom. How much a it was and I work out and. My math was Almost ten feet tall. As a kid I figured out he was, he was close to ten feet and. I became fascinated with. Very tall people and it's funny that I'm actually very very short. and I've always. I started collecting Guinness Books of how fascinated me. How tall people could could get and I remembered? I remembered I had some statistics memorized because that's just the kind of kid I was that Robert Wardlow was the tallest man who ever lived, and he was eight foot. Eleven point one. And and I remember thinking when I did the math on Goliath. was just like there's no way I mean. How could he have been and I was looking at this Guinness. Book going. This is a book of Lies Goliath was taller than Robert Low. Why is this the case and I was? I was a kid I was probably eleven years old. And I remember thinking in the book needs to be updated. They need to put Goliath in here. Why isn't Goliath in here? And overtime I started to realize that this was a storybook, and they think he was this tall, and it's basically based on hearsay. Someone said he was six six cubits in a span which would make him roughly nine foot I. Guess. and. We really don't know for sure right. So, what is your stance on exactly how tall he is and because I also heard Malcolm glad we'll say six foot nine, and I don't know how he came up your ass. Yes, but I'm that confuses me so if you could break down. The the differences what the Bible says and the differences in the six, thousand, nine, hundred, nine, nine, four, nine, in which one you ascribe, Jim. That would be great. Okay So I, too was a huge fan of the Guinness Book of world. Records growing. Up and the Guinness Book of World Records, today is nothing like the Guinness Book World Records in the seventies and eighties I know I know. It's more like it's more like a yearbook in our magazine and I don't like them now. I I used to collect them and I loved it. I saw the progress and to me it just it. I don't know it's just not fun anymore. No you're right, it is it is and I and I read the same thing Robert Wide Low. Eight foot eleven point one I. Would I would have lip sync it with you when you just set it. The all those things meant something to me as well to cool but David I'll tell you something. There is something that you. Either you don't remember or or whatever I don't know, but in the Guinness Book. It says that the Jewish it's either Jewish Talmud measure which ACM. Do you, remember the I do. There was a little disclaimer in there. Yes, and it says that I believe it's the. Talmud says that he was four cubits and a span, which is six foot nine. And so that discounted him in. and S- because there was a non-cooperation of the of the. Of evidence so to speak I. do reminding that circled now that you that just took me back to. I've got I've still got that nineteen eighty bucks somewhere around. No, I. DO I saved it for decades. Oh Yeah Wow. Every young person should get a nineteen seventy nine Guinness World. And keep so What What's the translation issue there in which which one do old? I. Don't know I know this two agendas four cubits in a span, and so does the tall made saved four cubits in a span. Now let me let me take you back a second My uncle this was about fifteen. Fifteen years ago came up to me. This is in Rome, New York talion getting together and he says to me John and he was, he was very young. Is a businessman said. Quite up there with a couple of things, number things in business and his John I saw this thing on the history channel about David and Goliath said that Goliath had this disease, and that it made him week and he was also nearsighted and This is the reason why they said he was defeated. You know so easily by this young man. I didn't know what to say to him and on top of that. How do you then and I? Don't know brought up the six foot. Nine thing I don't think he did, but you add that to it. You know in a documentary. You've completely dismissed Goliath. Akra Meghauli. nearsightedness and 6-foot-9. He's nothing. Then I discovered something someday one day. I was looking through. I'm not sure if it's in Samuel or not, but it talked about Saul. And Saul was a head above everyone else in height. So I started doing the math and I thought okay. Let's just say that the average person. Better. than their five with three well today, the average person man is right around five nine five ten. Okay hasn't I don't know how when it changed or didn't, but let's just say for the sake of discussion that the average Jew. ACA one thousand B. C was five seven. Five six whatever and it had would be one seventh of that self. Say eight inches all right, so you're looking at. When we have five seven eight inches. Six foot three. By I'm six two, if I'm six foot, three and I'm coming up against somebody who 6-foot-9 even if he's in his even if he's a genetic. Genetically Good Specimen. Let's just say. I would not have this fear that You wouldn't call him a giant. Yeah. You wouldn't call him giant, and you wouldn't cower for six weeks while he's down there screaming at you in the valley, cursing at your God with his gods, and trying to do the whole I'm going to defeat you by dissing your God with my God thing and I'm invincible now because that's what they they would do that sort of as a precursor to fighting as a means of positioning yourself for for victory. And so you know he's down six weeks doing that. With a hundred twenty five pounds of of a chain mail on. Let's just assume that he is wearing his battlegear each time he goes down there twice a day or whatever he was. I think it was twice a day down there shouting at him. That doesn't that that well. Yet, so let's talk about. Let's let's talk about him for a second. Because the whole concept of Akron Gelinas is is an important one because in Malcolm Gladwin gets into this in detail, and he's written a book about it, and then gives a very brief Ted talk as well he he gets into it and says that if you notice, there are some little clues that suggest he was suffering from from that disorder in that for one, it says that an attendant lead Goliath down there. So. We're assuming it would be like a young boy, or a teenager actually walked goliath down, and so if this if he's a mighty warrior, one would there need to be an attendant. That's the first the first issue I. An attendant would be there to lead Goliath down. The second thing is. David is walking down toward Goliath. For a while before Goliath really. Makes any sort of realizes that he's coming to fight him. And then he says. What am I a dog that you have come to me with sticks? He. Says sticks plural, but David was a shepherd. The only had one stick. So one of the symptoms or one of the I guess yes, symptom of Achromatic Magli is nearsightedness and vision problems. So he could have also had to. You know he could have been seeing two of of the of the shepherd A staffs. And so That in the fact that he was so easily, you know killed with one rock sort of suggest that. Maybe he had he had this disorder and I think if he was nine foot nine. It makes it less believable than if you were six foot nine. So my personal view on this. Just so you know, I think Jerry I. Think this was just a story I think he was just a story from from back then in. Here's why I don't. I Know David was younger than twenty. They refer to him as a as a kid, a lot of times young boy, sometimes young man, so we're probably talking of wide range of maybe thirteen to twenty younger than someone who was twenty or twenty one, so he around that teenage. You have to understand. What was happening here? A lot of people don't know this, too that they were actually built. They were actually at each other over valley. So you have this this kind of a plateau from these two mountain does mountain range right? The was as big dip in the middle. where like a river would be, but there's no river there and everybody's just kinda stuck there, because if one tries to cross, then you're down in the valley in you're coming up against your enemy, and you're at a terrible disadvantage, so neither side wanted to be the one to cross and go down, and then the other army would just pile on top of you with rocks, or whatever and you would definitely die. fighting going up hill against your enemy would be a terrible strategy, so they were both just kind of at a stalemate, staring at each other, and I don't know if this is actually been done or not, but this whole single combat issue right where it sounds a little Hollywood, but I've heard that it's happened. I don't know if historians of confirmed it where it's like you send out one of your warriors alson. Dot One of my warriors, and then whoever wins that that'll decide the the the victory, and then we'll go on without a bunch of extra bloodshed, right? I, I don't know that actually happened I could be wrong. I don't know if it's been recorded. Vicious been posited. But I will say this if that's true, and if that really did happen, and if Goliath was this massive beast of warrior, and didn't have any sort of diseases that that debilitated him at all, and this was a true story, which I'm doing a lot of conceding there that I don't agree with very. Doing Yeah. We then have to say that Saul. A king. And remember what this whole bet was about. Would Goliath yelled out. Was If you send you, send out your your best warrior and if I beat him. If he beats me, we will be your servants. But, if I beat him, you will be our subjects and servants, so this was about total dominance of the Israelites or the total dominance of the Philistines. I couldn't see Saul a king. As strategic, Warrior, or or a a strategic war move. Betting. The slavery of his entire Army. And people are on this teenager. against a massive giant. Right it just I just if you think about it from that perspective. This idea that you know David. Convinced him by saying well I fought off a lion that came for the sheep, and I fought off a bear that came to the sheep, and God delivered me from both of them. Just as God will deliver me Goliath and I just it just it. You know sometimes when you're watching a movie and you have to suspend reality to some level, and then they do something I so improbable that you just got to check out. In in the In the Aristotle's poetics. On storytelling, he says. God I don't WanNa I. Don't WanNa Bunch of this an in. An impossible probability. Is preferred over. And An impact an improbable possibility. Is preferred over an impossible probability. which which means, it gets confusing, but what it means us. In the the the the example used in one of the classes I took. Was You take? say not. Well that's it's. It's impossible. Right that you're gonNA. Have an alien land on St and you get to you, know You you? You coached you you. You sort of you sort of course him back to your house using Rhesus right using reasons Gandhi's okay well once we've suspended reality in reality enough to understand, we're now in a universe where this alien Israel. This alien did land here and he's kind of like a little puppy. Even though it's an impossibility, it's probable that if that is his reality, you can lead him back to your house with reese's right, so we buy that concept of an impossible probability, because at the very least once you've suspended the impossibility, it's probable. But an example of an Getting these words confuse an example of the other. One would be something that could happen like. Let's say you in the car you turn on the radio. Say you're an investigator and you turn on the radio and immediately tells you the information you were waiting on. You know it's like you're I think the the other example. Using the class was This is a class with Aaron. Sorkin the screenwriter where he says. You know you're you're to investigators and you get in the car and go, you know we gotta find that serial? And then you turn on the radio, and it's like an ABC News Update on the serial killer. He's right on ELM street and they go. Hey, we're on Elm Street, and then you turn off the radio and go get the bad guy. people check out they just. Just check out, because even though it's possible, it's a it's a possible improbability. It may be possible, but it is so improbable. You'RE GONNA lose the audience even more so than something that is impossible yet. Probable and I said all that to say that all of these things that I was talking about while seemingly impossible are somewhat probable until you get to this idea of a king. Who would let a child go fight a monster, risking the slavery and subjectivity of his entire army and his entire people. It's just way too much strategically to risk to send a kid out on a battlefield like this when he's completely unproven. I understand I agree that does seem very. Duck like you just said it does not sending strategic. It seems like that's just way out of the realm of of what's. Probable right, but he would make for a good legend to teach a lesson. Right which there are several good lessons in this story so that to me leads me to believe that that it's it's a good story for morals. It's a good story for not giving up. It's a good story to teach people to have faith If that's what you're wanting people to do to have faith in yourself, meaning my faith helped me overcome the bear. My faith helped me overcome the lion. That was sort of storytelling. You WanNa one. He's foreshadowing. Fought the line off off the bear I can fight this giant off as long as I have God. Right to me, this is more of a story of having God in your heart, and you can overcome obstacles that seem impossible. That's really what this comes down to to me. I don't think in actual king would send a child in the battle. I mean as improbable as that is, but as good as it is for teaching story. It seems to me that it's complete allegory so when people actually start making. Literal Spears, that way thirty three pounds with a fifteen pound spearhead, and one hundred and twenty five pounds of armor that go I just have to step back and go I this is this is so clearly allegory to me. Why are you taking it literally so I would love to know you stance on that and why you do believe this really happened. Let's enter into. Let's add one more ingredient to the to the knicks here and that is something that really isn't discussed I. Don't know if it's discussed at all, and that's the genetic giant. And there's a really good example of a genetic giant 'cause most all of them in almost all of them that. Approach eight feet. Or beyond. Our AC gallic. The ones that are like seven foot. You know that got it all together like shack or whatever? Those guys aren't Akron gallic. They're just gifted athletes that haven't be very tall. But there was angus MMA gaskell by the way he's in the Guinness Book of world. Records to not today, but he was back. Then ones that you and I read and. He's I looked into him a matter of fact I was trying to get a hold of his museum up in Nova. Scotia, a apparently, this Kobe thing is affected them to angus megacity lived in the early to mid eighteen hundreds. I guess he worked for I. Think he worked for Barnum for a while, he was seven foot nine seven foot. Weighed about five hundred pounds. And what made him so unique was that he was not Akron Gallic, and he was extremely strong. I'm talking freaky. Strong nothing that we've ever seen ever none of us. they gave they gave. They have of several examples. Of his strength quantifying it. Like putting an, he had very extraordinarily long arms to I guess normally you know at seven nine. His arm span's going to be what feet you know. It was like another foot on each side, so yeah, extremely long arms. And he was able to take two hundred to three hundred fifty pound barrels of pork or liquid, whatever it was in the barrels, and could put one under each arm and walked down the street. The biggest feat that he ever did was on a bat is that he lifted a two thousand. POUND ANCHOR UP and walk down the pier with an injured himself as he was putting it down, but Two thousand pound anchor. I'm not talking about a dead left. You know you got your back like Paul Anderson. That guy was really super strong back in the seventy sixty seventy s or whatever you know that you know shown lifting. So over many pounds with his with his. Very short legs with his incredibly strong legs. We're talking about lifting something up on your shoulder. That weighs two thousand pound than with it. and. He got so mad at one one person that weighed three hundred pounds through him. I don't know ten feet over this big huge pile of I mean you know? You can read it yourself. It's incredible. If goliath was everything that they the Philistines hired him to be. He would have had to have been somebody that was very skilled at war, because the stakes here were too high, and he was a genetic giant from the throwback before the flood I've as a young Earth creationist. As a seventh day adventist. Subscribe to the idea that humans originally created were more than twice as tall as we are today, and that as we dumbed down in age after the flood, we also dumbed down very quickly in size because the atmosphere. Maybe you've had discussions with people before about pre-flood atmosphere, being slightly higher and oxygen, and an pressure and whatnot, and it afforded giantism. That's reason why, in the fossil record you see giant ferns and giant bugs and giant. You know not everything, but you do see giantism in the fossil record. That's the idea at least and Goliath was nothing more to me and his brothers to then. A section of people that still held onto that size, so they obviously utilize that for their benefit. Well? Let me. Ask you a quick question about the yeah on one hand after I was thinking as you were talking about this other man that goliath would have to be. Two feet taller than the man you were just talking about. And I guess proportionate athletes. And in very good at his. Being a warrior. But. The lineage I would have a problem with the lineage if you believe in the flood. Yeah the flood came before Goliath. That's correct, so are you saying that? They somehow survived the flood. Or they were. Do you think someone in knows? Family had the gene and passed it down so. How would that have happened? Let me, ask you this. The guests that have been on your show I take it. You've had discussions about the filing that he had that already know. Oh. Okay no filed them. I don't know what that is I'm GonNa Learn something today. Let's give it Genesis six four. It says there were giants on the earth in those days, and afterwards, when the sons of God came to the daughters of men, and were men of renown, and so on, and so forth here we go again the tall, mid, and most all so the Jewish tradition. Of that particular scripture, and most all other sources including Josephus familiar with Josephus. Yes. Okay even Josephus. buys into this idea that. Angels Quote Unquote Sons of God came into the daughters of men, human women, and had sex with them and produce these giants. Oh, I! Have I have heard that I. didn't I haven't heard the Filo before, but is that if that's what we're talking about the concept yet? Right and the filing is just the the Hebrew word for the word that they used in that in that word giants in the in the in. And there were giants after the flood I don't take that. I don't take that stance. The stance that I take is that. when Adam and Eve were created okay, they were tall, very beautiful, and even after the fall delib nine hundred years. The environment and the genetics that were so pure at that point without the internal. Let's say just say we'll just call it. For the sake of discussion sin internally, corrupting external corruption was very very You know slow, but progressive sixteen hundred years later, obviously petri dish had gotten so bad that only eight people would respond at least at that point to any kind of deviation from the norm. which was just whatever you WANNA do. Whatever you WANNA do however you want to let songs so after the flood after the flood. which obviously would have killed the giants as well? What? How would how would a giant exist after the flood? If what you're saying is true. Okay so. Because no one in his wife for giants, because his children were giants. When they find the Ark when they finally get up there at the thirteen thousand foot northeast side of of Mount era at if it's still there under the ice, which I believe it is, they go inside, and they looked at the built in furniture. My prediction as young Earth creationist is that they're gonNA find built in furniture, twelve people, beds and chairs. That's what my I. My theory is, and that's my postulating that. Is it just based on on, is it? Is it retroactive meaning you're starting with? Goliath was real. If he was real, therefore he he was descendant from giants therefore. No must have been a giant. Is that why you believe? Noah in his family were giants. Well, first off. We get that one little indicator there in genesis that could be a message translation in the sense that it's not the one person translated his giants, but it's the Hebrew word defiling these are men of renown, whatever that may be okay. They talk about the giants. When they went into I think Was Canaan where they look like grasshoppers and they brought back large fruit and. There is a really interesting book by Steven Quayle Call Genesis six giants. He chronicles all the different writers throughout even the keeps cadore doors. The came over here in the fifteen hundreds, there was still residual giantism going on he, they talked about eleven foot native Americans. I talked to the native Americans here in Syracuse. They talk about seven foot giants. They talk about the legend. Legend of giants you can just you can just write off his legends, but all the mound that they found in the United States when they started digging cellars in roads, it was so many burial mounds with Skeleton, seven to ten feet that have been chronicled in the newspapers in the eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds. He just would not believe the amount of. Of of evidence that no obviously no longer exists and talk about the Smithsonian. all you want as far as. Involvement in in some of that. what is the obligation tipper yet you? Up Yet But I believe that that Adam and eve originally were tall that the human genetics were. Were you look at the savant today? Sorry, I'm all over the board, but I'm just trying to build our original mom and dad. As the ability to remember everything, and not have to write anything down the ability to you know to hear things and be able to recognize what what things are somebody's steps? I mean I. Know that some people can do that today. Mathematics to be able to do you know prime numbers to thirteen numbers or beyond? You know I mean there's these these the the quote unquote. It's vonts can can do this stuff. They can listen to music and then instantly play. You probably seen that before although slivers collectively put together. Goliath, You know a throwback all of that you. Can you compose it all together? You have our original parents. Even after the fall that lived nine hundred. Years After the flood, everything changed dramatically. So from what I've seen. Any evidence of Giant actually existing ends up being a hoax? there are, you can look on the Internet. Yeah you can look on the Internet of giant saw. Giant giant bones found in. There's pictures out convincing. They're all fake it's it's been a hoax every single time. And I came across a video recently. That said it was called scientific proof. Of David and Goliath or of Goliath and giants in our thought. This is going to be great so I get my notepad out and I start watching. I was pretty disappointed. I I was I was going I was waiting on the scientific proof, and essentially what they found was what was the city called? Was gaff rig live? In that city they were basically saying there were big walls enlarge doorways. And I'm going. Well that's your scientific evidence that there were big walls and giant doorways I mean. Have you been to any millionaires house your? If, they were to die and be wiped off the face of the earth. You would think they were seventeen feet tall. Their houses are huge. I, mean if you. Know. What I mean I mean. We have doorways that are massive, sometimes for no reason other than stature right, and if that's the case, then, why don't we making the case that the ancient Egyptians were? Were you know twenty five or thirty feet tall, and that's how they built the Pyramids I. Mean This is a a an you know part of this, too. I have to say. would tie us back to we have. A. History dating back millions of years and and I know we're going to start talking past each other because you're a young Earth creationist. But right, but but but the problem is the further we go back. The smaller humans get. It's quite the opposite of of giantism We there are always anomalies. Don't get me wrong, but when we go back to our ancestry I'm talking. Two, million, three, million, six million. Go back to our early ancestors. We see that we were tiny, tiny tiny I mean Lucy Australopithecus. AFARENSIS was only about three feet tall. So it seems to suggest the opposite in I, think we have the fossil record that's satisfactory to me anyway that that seems to be showing in line that Lucy walked upright, and was one of the first apes to do so because of the hip replacement. And that that was the big advantage for seeing pray for reaching things for run walking long distances without getting tired. But, it seems that the evidence for giants to have existed, and for your your idea, your theory, or the Christian theory in general. Or we just have to go off of. Big Things in history. We have aunt. Scant evidence, it seems yeah it really that. Or. The fact that angels are impregnating. Right. It seems that we have to go to such a stretch of like. You know there's so many holes to that idea. It really is bad. Because it really does not allow us to trace back. Our original the original man in the original woman, and what they were and our heritage, so to speak, and how we he d and I'm going to use the word of so forgive me if I'm not using it as correctly as perhaps I should be I. Think you get the idea in your listeners will to the de-evolution of humankind of mind of character of size of variety of age of beauty of you know. And I believe that it had to start that viral had to start that genetically pure. The forethought of God's six thousand years of of quote Unquote Environmental Internal external sin. If he had started with something else a little bit less robust I. Don't know if it would have lasted. That's the idea at least my understanding behind it. I I think we've found our largest point of disagreement here. John I think. I would. From your then. I would say I would say that. Humans have not devolved. I think we've made. Amazing progress and let me tell you why. The Bible and I'm sure you've. If you've had conversations with atheist in the past you've. You've been called to task to defend things that would make you uncomfortable things like slavery things like a talking donkey things like talking snake things that you just have to sort of go well, you know. Yeah, it's written like a fable either except that it's a fable and say it was there as allegory to teach moral or Say that it actually happened, and then you have all of this scientific. Stuff to to come into play like a serpent doesn't even have the ability. They don't have vocal cords. That wouldn't have the ability to speak So then we have to get into, was it? Psychosis was seeing things in hearing things that were real or somehow, God made them speak, even only didn't have the ability to the same with the donkey talking to belong the road to Damascus. You didn't have to get into all of that stuff. If if we were to continue down that road, we're now talking about the behavior of humans. Lot. Putting his daughters out during essentially a riot. And giving his daughters. For Sex to save. Two angels from being raped. It was a very bizarre story. It is Especially now we have to realize that we have this. Metaphysical world were metaphysical beings exist. Yet they are in physical in nature enough that they could be sexually assaulted. which then. Says well. Did they have sexual reproductive organs? Did they have an honest and they have a penis? If so, why would they need that? When they're angels, do they? Are they going to the bathroom and toilets in heaven? Why do they have these organs hanging off their bodies? Why would they have if they were going to be raped? Why would they have a you know what I mean? Why would the ORIFICES even exist it? You have to. If if you if you just think about it in that moment, you think Oh. You know lot saved angels. Lot gave up his daughters to be raped. That is atrocious. God Gave Lot's wife an ultimatum to not even turn around. And in the moment that she did. She was turned into a pillar of salt. in completely not existing. She became saw. This is like a magic spell, right? This is stuff that. That for a relatively minor I. Mean Lot's daughters didn't do anything wrong and they were raped because lot gave them up. Lot's wife just turned around and looked at something. and was instantly made to not exist and to become a pillar of salt. This is not justice. This is not fairness. This is not love. This is not in any sort of concept of morality than either of us would ascribe to her. Teach our children. But God operates this way and millions worship him her, and that's that's one aspect of it. Another piece is when you look at the sacrifices that happened the wars that happened the midnights when they were beaten and and. Moses ordered them to to to take the midnights and when they saved the midnight women and children. As was angry about this I. Don't know if you're familiar with the story. But he was mad. That they that they saved them and got angry and said kill all of the little boys. And Kill all of the women who have known a man. And Save the Virgin. Girls for yourselves. So we have Moses the guy who we see in the Bible, as God's right hand, man, the profit, the guy who D-. Who saw God face to face. Who brought the commandments? From the Mount, This this holy man. That many Christians believe wrote the For several books of the Bible. is now ordering his army to kill children and to keep little girls as sex slaves. And They took women and children as plunder. Plunder is like property. You would get for rating somebody's home. So? That's a pretty terrible way to treat people I would say. The Bible talks about to Nexans thirty five to that. If you if you pick up sticks or if you if you do any work on the Sabbath that, you should be put to death. And then a few verses later in the book of numbers, a man has caught picking up sticks his later put to death for in fact, they bring that man before God and say. What do you want us to do with him? And he says I've told you what to do, and then put him to death. Even they didn't fully believe like he was just picking up sticks. Does this count as work and God's like kill him? So they killed this man. Think about how people were stoned to death in Leviticus twenty thirteen when we hear that Any man who was lied with another man as one would a woman you shall be stoned to death. Your blood shall be upon you, and all of Israel shall here in fear the way they stone people to death was they would bury them up to their neck and throw rocks at their face until they died. As an atrocious way to treat people. There were women who were killed for having sex out of wedlock. were if you look at the Bible. Humans were absolutely barbaric. If! We look at the scientific aspects of how the Pyramids were built. You're talking absolute slavery. Brutal, slavery to do everything they did in the amount of time that they did it. And it took modern day. Ethics. To Go, you know what we're not going to treat. People like this any more. Women are going to be treated as equals not as concubines. Property were not going to sell our daughter's into slavery like God said we could in the Old Testament. We're not going to take Hebrew slaves from among us. We're not going to beat. Are Slave and as long as he doesn't die within two days. We don't have any charges because he's our property, we. We are not going to be allowed to own a slave, and are going to be allowed to have a slave and pass him down to your your children, because he's your property, and I know this is a gift Gallup and I'm giving you a million things to address. My point is not to go into those individual issues. My point is to say today. As, bad things seemed to be to us. This is the greatest time to live for humanity. We have the Internet. We have comforts The poorest people in the world are not as poor as the poorest people in the world. War were four thousand years ago. we're making more efforts that are more nonprofits. There are billionaires that are giving back there. There are tons of people helping. There is more of a humane vibe on earth. It should always be more than it is, but it's way better than it was, and I would say as a human species. We are more loving. We are more caring and we are more helpful to fellow humans than we ever have been at any time in human history. Did you hang up? Our from it didn't. I'm GonNa hit something. That's even worse than all. You WanNa. Hit You WanNa talk about the eternal burning. Hell Doctrine WanNa talk about that for just a moment we can, but I would like you to address that I. my argument that humans are better off than we were. Then I think that your argument the way that you framed it. I couldn't I couldn't necessarily disagree with that. I can't the way you frame that at no I, can't i. can't also however you each individual item that you mentioned? Now that there's a counter argument, but that there is a greater depth of understanding of the inner workings of what was going on. But if you're wanting to use that as a means to be able to build to what you just did. and. You're not looking at someone here. Right myself. Personally. That is like a flag. Waver just for the sake of flag-waving I didn't get involved in any of this because. You know because I was brought up this way, or because somebody forced me to. I can step away from this as easily. As I went came into it if I want to, so it's not like I've got anything to any chip on my shoulder when it comes to this. But there are reasons why, like for instance I'm just GonNa just just give you one for instance of one thing you know what an entire race has been given up and given so many chances that they have completely turned their back, and their moralism is completely base and the disease, and the teaching from from generation to generation becomes so horrible that we have not seen that necessarily. Let's say talking theory here that we haven't seen that ourselves up close and personal to wear an. An entire people has become so corrupt that to let them to continue. Juan would not only be When I'll be would not only. Would it be wrong to let? A group of people continue in that kind of misery, but the effect or residual effect or direct effect? It has on those who are trying to be preserved. Let's say through choice not because of of merit or because of you know I like you, but I. don't like you, but their own choices, okay. Sometimes you have to I know I'm not trying to sound like I'm going to stay like this. Sometimes you have to exterminate and that's what happened with flood did become so debased. There may have been amalgamation going on between human and animals back that I mean that's how in these guys are geniuses. These guys were geniuses all this collective thought. These you know in the in the midst and everything could have been a residual from what took place before the flood. We may have seen confusion of the species. We have made seen genetic experimentation that goes. That just pales in comparison of some of the things that we're attempting to do today. and. Why would God wipe out estimated one to two billion people? Why would he? Why would he do that? To a people group in the Middle East when it looks like they're just carrying on like we are. When in fact, maybe they are so diseased, both in character, and physically that to let them continue only going to create more harm and has actually the most merciful thing to do. I know that may sound kind of like weird or kind of I. Don't know what you would intellectually call that I'm sure there's a name for it, but That's that's my understanding, not in all cases, but at least in in some of them. When they told wipe everything out including the animals, the animals were diseased. Everything was so diseased and corrupted that it had to be, or it would just perpetuate. It would affect. This is what we're doing right now is pandemic. Do you think that sometimes. You and other Christians. Sort of humanize God. in order to insert prerequisites and explain away certain behaviors. And maybe the questions unfair so I can ex-? No I know it's a great question, and and I appreciate the question and I and I'll tell you the honest truth of not GonNa and I can only speak for myself. I don't know what they do. I sometimes suspicious of the the collective. They out there quite honestly I'm not paranoid, not conspirators, but I, just you. Know what I have learned since Nineteen eighty-four when I get a glimpse into something that I don't understand and it becomes a little bit clear. Why something was done the way it was done I realized that the inner workings of God's mind is is is so It so involved wheels within wheels that every single decision that he makes has got. A million different elements working together four. For the good ultimately, and and he knows what he's doing so on the surface. Yeah, you know this person gets stoned. The reason behind it is and then there's there's there's a number of things and so no I don't pretend to understand him because or or humanize him sure. I'm sure there is some of that. That's going on that I'm not even aware of. But I but just the opposite I see him as a being a being that that has an infinite mind that has the capability of operating within our realm in such a way that even he, if he's misunderstood, is willing to take the brunt knowing that what he's doing is actually for the good. When the curtain was pulled back. If it's pulled back when it is pulled back, and you can see what he was thinking and why he was operating the way he was okay, so that's how. This is this is. This is so fascinating, and I think this really gets to the core of UAE. I guess I think we're about to embark. Upon is a part of the conversation that I think. Any Christian atheists. Can Listen to and US moving forward and and I say. I Christians as well because I. This will really help Christians understand. The way atheists think. And I see it I. See it as Misstep on the Christian side, but help me out here. Sharon because. What we hear whenever you say things like well. He had to do that. got had to wipe out. Millions of people are billions of people. He had added flood the earth. Or even if we're talking about the creation of Eve. He took a rib from Adam and Eve again. That's not necessarily, but he did. When we start saying things like. He had to. What we're doing is we're speaking from our own experience. Right if if you had made. If you're in a science lab in your, you make these little creatures. and. Those creatures start? Acting badly in. Setting each other on fire, you can just shake the canister and start over. If, you're baking a cake. And start, messing up ingredients and you're like. Oh, well. It didn't turn out like this, so I guess I'm going to make this pie instead with us mashed up ingredients, and then open burned the the crust so now I can't make eventually. The the logical thing to do is to throw it away and start over. There's so many things that come into question here. One would be if he's going to start over. Why even save eight of them? Why not just. Just start over that to me is like. You know you you. You burn the Food and you pick off, ate little bits of the meal that might be okay and then throw the rest out and then create a whole new meal. Anyway. Just it seems odd that that would happen. Unless of course is a copy of the Gilgamesh A story, the the epic of Gilgamesh in it it was just a local flood where a guy went around saving people, and then later it was. It was Mitha fide into into globally much like the Santa Claus. Thing Saint Nick would go around and help people now. We have this myth of Santa Claus all over all over the world. From a human perspective, we have limits. So, we have to do things like we. If you if we were to go to war with another country, and and and we kill all of the male soldiers, the women. If we bring them back, they may turn on US or become You Know A. Depraved or angriness were, they may turn our soldiers bad and. You know so from a military perspective. I wouldn't agree with it. We would never do it. We take prisoners of war all the time, but I can understand the argument of going well if we raise their sons, we would you know they would hate us? They would join our military turn against us and I it could corrupt our own internal border. Whatever whatever? So the we had to kill them okay. He had to wipe out the entire earth because the people were so depraved. Okay, that to me is a human limitation. And when we use the words, God had to. You're putting prerequisites on God's powers. When you put prerequisites on God's powers, you are limiting him and making him no longer all powerful meaning. If I require a tool to change my oil that means I I can't just think into existence right. I have to get the tool. I have to walk to the car. I have to Jack it up. I have to use the rich in order to get the filter off and pull the plug out. I can't do that with my bare hands. I certainly can't do that with my thoughts. So. I I have prerequisites that I have to fill in order to make my in order to complete tasks. But God doesn't. God. Is supposed to be all powerful and be able to think things into existence. So what you're now asking me to believe John. And what Christians asking all atheist to believe? Is that. The same being. Who spoke the universe into existence? Who created this incredibly complicated human body. From a handful of dirt. Or dust. Who created the entire, very beautiful female body out of a rib? who made donkeys and a donkey and a snake speak and have conversations with humans. Who made the sun freeze in the sky? Who created the water who created every bird craven every fish? Are incredibly intertwined nervous system. Anything you could imagine was created by. God He can think things, and then they happen. He can whisper things he can will things and they just are. But when his cake started to spoil. He had to throw it away. He couldn't just. Fixed the cake. He couldn't just. Will goodness back into the hearts of those people. That seems to me that a loving. God would want to the least amount of destruction. Stay positive and loving and turn awful people into good people. Rather than drowned the entire planet. Kill them all except for eight of them and give them a second shot. It certainly odd to me that God even says in that verse in Genesis. I repented that I made them. He's sorry he made a mistake. But he's supposed to be perfect. It doesn't make sense to say. He had to kill all of them when he could have just made them good again. And it seems like that would have been way easier and a whole lot less destructive, and that would lead me to believe he is more loving. So tell me why if he is the all powerful being in the universe, and can will things into existence. Why does he have prerequisites that would require him to make deals with people to I ask for? fibro ordeals in Jeff, this case for a human sacrifice of his daughter or deals with the universe or abet with the devil jobs life. These seem like He. He doesn't really have the control he does or he sitting back, watching this unfold and doesn't involve himself. In the only way that Christians can justify it is to put the sort of human living, human limitations and prerequisites on God thereby limiting his power. Well that's. That's it's an awful lot there. I get what you're saying. Look, you know I'm not intellectual. me, just answer it by saying this because I can't tit for tat. Do a good enough job at the level that you're operating under. Other than when I was in the navy back in nineteen, eighty four. I was walking on the ship one day, minding my own business I didn't need no crutch. I wasn't impressed with Christians. I thought they were weird. Emotionally charged about something I couldn't relate to, and I was A. Agnostic Catholic left the church when I was Seventeen Carolina's. I'm walking along the ship. Twenty three years old life was good. And, all of a sudden out of nowhere, literally out of nowhere, I'm in California and San Diego K.. All of a sudden this thought is introduced into my head. Out of nowhere, that Bible is the inspired word of God. Now. That's not a conversation. I was having with anybody. Prior to really or Just there wasn't anything that press precipitated that that I? Can you know put my finger on? And it was a statement. Just like you know. If you're thinking about wh- things, weird things interesting things. A thought POPs in your head. That's exactly what happened. And I stopped for a moment in my Im- not necessarily physically stopped, but I stopped for moment. My mind that I had to sit there just for a second and I had to say. Integrity demands. I answered this question, so I went down. Let's just say I went to the right and I went down the path of eight theism. Whatever it is. That went through my head that debt characterized. The Path that says that there is no god. There's no bible that can't be trusted whatever the just the opposite of that and went down there at the speed of thought. And what? What overwhelmed me was that it was hopeless. It was purposeless and it wasn't. It was dark. and. Then I did the weirdest thing that I ever thought. I could ever do and I didn't think I could do it. I wasn't looking to do it. I turned to the left in my mind and I said to myself. It's gotTA. Be. Now? You gotTa Understand I. Didn't go in and talk to sages about this talk to theologians when I came to this conclusion, I just looked at two contrasting. philosophies so to speak, and for me to say yes, it is. Not Because I didn't investigate it, but because of the. Filter or prejudice or or or impression that wasn't really whole lot positive there for me to jump over those hurdles, and just very intellectually I guess you could say with a little bit of heart response. Say Yes, it was was one of the weirdest things that I could ever done in my life, and that's how it started for me. And then after that I didn't then sit there and say talking donkeys dairy old dumb. I would say. Oh there's a talking donkey interesting. 'cause I was actually looking to understand what this book was all about and I. Read it now. You understand what I'm doing this all by myself. I didn't have family here. I didn't have. The Jehovah witnesses knocking on my door. I didn't have some Baptist Give Jack Chick. You know you know pamphlets. I didn't have that I had just me and a Bible that I read. I started reading. And I started in in Matthew Mark Luke John You'll the four gospels never read it before I went through them and let me tell you what. I You Talk. You gotta clean slate almost here going into this with any outside. Let site influences I. Just wanted press one more time because. I had no reason to do this other than I said yes, it, his who inspired God and integrity demanded that I go now investigate. When I got done reading Matthew Mark John by myself. I went this Jesus. Really cares. And I'll never forget the story, and it sounds like you're very well versed in the Bible and I appreciate that about you. You know because of the subject matter we're talking about. requires that in order to be able to talk it on the level that you are intellectually speaking here, which is really cool. But the thing that really. Almost brought me to tears literally as I was reading was the man with a withered hand. And it was the Sabbath. And he was about to heal his hand, and probably get a little choked up. Just telling us, and maybe you you listeners out there read the story, maybe not I know you probably have. But he stops. And he looks around and he knows what they're thinking. And, he says. You know what's more important. You know basically to heal or two. and He. He heals a man's hand on the Sabbath. What's more open? What did he say? How many of you! If your ox had fallen into the ditch on the Sabbath would help it out, and is it a man more important than an ox, and then he turns to the man and heals his hand. That is that that's the essence of Christianity. I'm sorry if if I can't tit for tat with anyone. Any any person that yourself included that is into is a intellectual ass- atheist. Former or not Christian? I can't give all those answers You know in a bullet point or be really super effective, because it does impart. You gotta be wanting to buy wanting to buy everybody's selling. You know and I'm not even trying to sell may be inadvertently but I'm not even trying to sell maybe a little bit, but join. Let me just say you know I really do. Appreciate what you're saying I appreciate your story. And I want to tell you. I think that you this is my own opinion of course. I think that you are a Christian today. Because, maybe you didn't have proper exposure to what real humanism is. And the reason I'm saying that is because what you just said. Is Beautiful. That's exactly how humanist operators well. The verse that the that stood out to me in the story about the man with the withered hand is when. when he said is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do harm to save life to kill? And the people know what to say to him. They were silent. So what he's saying is if i. do something good on the Sabbath. Is that still bad? Well. You know what he's arguing against there. Is Exodus thirty. Five to. The original law that said if anyone does work on the Sabbath, they shall be put to death. and. So I agree with Jesus here. Jesus was saying be a humanist instead of following this old mosaic law. Do if you can do good for someone, do it. The big disagreement tends to be. The atheist will say the humanist will say. a single good deed done by a single good heart is greater than thousand heads bowed in prayer. And the Christian will say a thousand heads bowed in. Prayer is greater than any single good deed done by a single goodhart. At the end of the day, the Christians err on the side of worship and praise to the deity. In atheist and humanist. Aaron the side of doing the most good that we can today because there may not be God out there looking out for us. So your concept here? Of saving the Hawks or healing a man's hand on the Sabbath doing something good. I don't know a single atheist who would disagree with that. But what is missing from the Christian viewpoint is that is Jesus going against the biblical laws that atheist call ridiculous all the time. It is in demand that was put to death in numbers over working on the Sabbath was picking up sticks to kindle a fire for his family. Now, what does this mean? This Sorry I'm hearing some whispering. Who Goes there might? My wife decided to join me on the couch. You're. Ringer into the conversation. You can come onto the conversation. That's my listeners. Don't mind people. About the Old Testament than I do and she has, I mean literally has read it and reread it and I don't know skews me. Does this sound racist or sexist I? Don't I don't know many women that reread the Old Testament over and over and over and over and over and over and over again trying to understand on the lots of land lots of them. We call them atheists. Well, okay. This is Chris and hikers. This is David. Hi thanks for talking with me today. I. Love Your Show so far. This has been a lot of fun to awesome. Thank you, I hope you've been helping him out. There is that what's been going on here? Me Not. Hasn't been letting me. Chime in at all. What's funny as I thought I heard a whisper a little while ago and I was like Whoa, he must be just kind of reading over something on his own. And I was like okay. That's probably something else, and then just now is very loud and I was like okay. I have to say something I think someone's there with him. So now I'm glad you're here. I'm glad you're here, so. I guess my I. Guess I'll pose the question to you as well then I mean this is This is a really interesting piece to me. In that from a humanist perspective, we agree with John here that it is better to do something good, even though it says Jesus is famous for breaking the Sabbath well. That's great, you know. What about the guy in the old time who was picking up sticks? And they grabbed him and brought him before going God's I've told you what to do with him. Kill him. He's like I was just. Picking up six to kindle a fire from my family, and God, still had him killed. It seems to me that God had the man killed for doing something good and Jesus would have been against that. What is your take? That's a very common perception that you know there's this nutty mean. God of the Old Testament in this happy, lovely Jesus, and even a lot of Christians are literally afraid or uncomfortable with Old Testament, because of that perception that they get, but rightly understood all of those stories from Sodom and Gomorrah and the flood, and in all of them. You know wiping out whole races of people you know like the guy you mentioned. Picking up sticks all those things in their proper context. Actually make a Lotta Sense. It's it's been my fascination and my study through the years to try and understand who God really is, and to make sure that what I'm seeing. An Old Testament is consistent with what I see Jesus, so we could take each of those. You know if you wanted to, but I think one of the things that you're kind of. You're circling around is the problem of the capability of the human heart, too. I think the perception that you have an in some people habit that if we just properly educate and bring up children, you know with the right mindset in in we, we teach people, humanity, and compassion and stuff like that that you're going to get a more compassionate humane person, but I'm under the conviction from the Bible that it doesn't matter the amount of fame education money. You know what you do. The heart is just deceitfully wicked, above all else and societal pressures can make it seem awesome until. Those things that Kinda keep us align fall apart like what we see when we we see riots whether it was the riots in in the seventy s or now it's like when I mean. We saw in in in some of the ones in the seventies. You saw people with business suits in inexpensive cars. Yeah La. When they got out when you're, the broken windows grabbed, television sits and walked back out I. Mean you wouldn't think a rich business? Person would do that, but they did. You know because that. When when you in the human heart has the opportunity, and you won't get you know, noticed or get in trouble for it. Your true colors come out. Well I think you may be conflicting mob mentality with a depraved heart, and I don't think those two should be conflated. People in a mob will certainly tend to act differently than than than when by themselves I've had plenty of opportunities to do the wrong thing. In private and chose not to. I consider integrity. A very important part of WHO I am. I've even been after after not doing the thing. That I had the chance to do and chose not to for reasons of integrity. I've been later accused of doing that thing by people on the Internet who wanted to see my name tarnished? Even though they know I did not do that thing, but they know people believe them if they say I did that thing. And that's also hard to deal with, and it's hard not to go on the attack of someone. Who Does that so The quote one of the main quotes I live by. Is. There's a couple one is. You can tell a lot by a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him. especially out in La, when someone is really nice to you, that's a pretty good chance. They think you can help them in some way. But that man who has the meeting with? The person who is much lower on the pay scale, the man who gives an opportunity to someone who probably doesn't deserve it The man who listens to someone in treats him as an equal even though. They're clearly separated by powers. That's the man that I respect, and and the man that I that I strive to be and the other one is a quote from my book, which is You won't have a chance to make a difference after death, so be someone's guardian angel now. Step up, join charities do humanist efforts help people in need? And a lot of my listeners are the same way. A lot of the humanist Nathan's I've met over the years of the same way. I know several people who've had opportunities to do bad things to take advantage of that depraved heart that you're talking about and I just don't see it. I just don't I think humans while opportunistic at times, especially in a mob mentality our overall. Good people and at the end of the day I just have to go back to my question, which is. Jesus talking about doing the right thing. The good is more important than following a rule right if you're sitting at a red light and an ambulance comes up behind you, you have to check to make sure it's clear, and then you go through the red light to get out of the way of the ambulance. Because you know someone's life is in danger, someone has drastically injured. You can't say no lights. Red Rules Rule Laws Law. I'm not gonNA break it. Human human life is more important. So in this situation, Jesus is saying. Would you really not do any good on the Sabbath? The point he's making a humanist one. Do the most good even if it means breaking a rule. So I ask again when the man was picking up sticks and numbers. And because of exodus thirty five to sent to kill him. Why did God say to have him killed? When Jesus is clearly saying it's okay to do good things on the Sabbath. My understanding is you. Jesus was attempting to free the Sabbath of all the ridiculous amounts of bondage. Really the the Jews it added. They had so many different. I've I've read several hundred rules just regarding the sabbath that they'd added in. They had made it to the point. Where you know you weren't even supposed to pick up your bed like when he healed that guy the pool of Bethesda. He deliberately did it. I think on that on the Sabbath Day so that they this would be another talking. Point another opportunity to free them from this concept. Where they had just. Loaded down what he originally intended for good, so your question about the guy picking up sticks. Again touches back to the the depravity I I don't think that we're GONNA see eye to eye on I. Do feel that the human heart is more self deluding than you realize. the Bible indicates that in the end, the People's characters are going to be fully developed, and we're going to really see what they're capable of both evil wise in good in the we, is. GonNa be. Ripened. You know that's there's a lot of sickle analogies and stuff like that and in the in revelation, but that guy that was picking up sticks I I looked up the temperatures of of the desert. That doesn't in that In the. Daytime and nighttime, and whether it was necessary to have a fire, they didn't need a fire. That guy was one of the half breeds. One of the ones that was that came out of Egypt with them, but was just never really fully on board, and was causing I think part of the problem of of pulling them away from God, and so he was just in rebellion against I. Don't WanNa be having to walk in the Wilderness Forty Years I wanna go in, and he was in rebellion. What do you mean by half? Breed sounded kind of offensive and I wanNA give you an opportunity to clear it up before my inbox. Here, freedom. Isn't I shouldn't say I mean you know more like A. A half breed mentally the way the way. Of a mindset they let some of the Egyptians left because they bought into temporarily. The though the power of God and and I mean obviously the Jews were being favored and. Freed and last and there was some that was impressed. Various levels of either intellectual or spiritual. Being oppressed that this is the right direction to go okay. Different, kinds of attitudes went along with those that left I'm their plan on addressing something else. I had I mean, I don't know if you've heard this. The term half breed is like a derogatory term for someone who is mixed race, so I didn't know where they came from. Yeah, sorry. Okay so. The last thing I want to say. About that as You do realize that. Fires also used for cooking. So kindling a fire for his family may have nothing to do with temperature I. Mean people use fire for boiling water to make it safe to drink? They use fire for for sacrifices to God to build an altar. They use fires to to cook food, and to render fat from their from their livestock so just discounting that he didn't need to make a fire for his family, because it was probably warm, and by the way, desert can drop extremely low at night time as well I don't know if you're aware that you may be hot in the daytime, but at nighttime it may be incredibly cold so even if it was warm at night. A desert isn't just hot. A desert means lack of rain, so you can be a drought and have cold weather, but even then if it was warm, he still could needed a fire for for to feed his family. Maybe his his fat wasn't rendered, or maybe his water wasn't drinkable, and he needed to boil it in order to make it safe for his family. There's no way we could partially what was going on but to say that he deserved death because he was picking up sticks on the Sabbath. Is just extreme. We don't even know what he was doing it for, and it sounds to me like Jesus would be on my side in this conversation and say let the man pick up. Sticks were his family. Do you not save your ox? Did I not he'll. This man's hand let demand pickup sticks for his family. It seems that being good as is more important than following an arbitrary rule. Again if you look up the that particular desert, the temperatures both daytime and night-time, they don't get bad, but I hear you on that I understand what you're saying about. Preparing Food and whatnot, but you gotta understand. You're coming from the perspective. The God is bad. You're looking for evidence I. think without meaning. Do necessarily that that to to support this point that you're making when in reality if if there was a need that God would have allowed him to do it if there was evil in art than than. Yes, he's going to punish him for it. I think that there's. were, imagining him to be your suming him to be worse than you and I and saying no. I wouldn't do that so therefore. I just can't understand why this God. Would you know it's to end on this? We're GONNA. End This and then move into the Patriots version, but I think that. It's just the opposite actually. When I started looking into this, I was a believer. and. I wanted to bring more people to God. I saw a lot of Christians. I wasn't even aware that atheists existed. I saw a lot of Christians when I was a teenager, arguing with each other, not understanding portions of the Bible, and I thought I'm GonNa read it. I'M GONNA. Pray about it I'm going to talk with theologians and professors and preachers and pastors of different denominations, and I'm going to hammer out some of these details and solve these problems. Clearly, there is a truth out there. And I started reading. With the idea of proving that God is good. Improving the individual aspects of the Bible. Yet. I kept finding things like this. Where Jesus would be okay with someone doing good on the Sabbath and God had a man killed for picking up sticks I saw where God would would say that you could sell your daughter's into slavery. And that would that worried me. Remember the first time I read these things. I was a fool on believer who had been saved who had been baptized in who was terrified that he didn't know enough about it to go. Knock on doors and save souls so I went reading because I knew my preacher was going to send me out To to win souls and I didn't I felt like I'd been given the uniform and pushed out on the field and I knew none of plays. And so I was educating myself so that I can help people and time after time after time I found God acting in a way, that made me very uncomfortable and I would write a note. Here's a problem of gotta fix that. I would write another note. Here's a problem fix and when I ended my fourteen year journey I was an atheist, because I could no longer defend this guy so no. I am not looking for things that are bad about God. I'm repeating things to you. That made me stop believing. He was good in the first place. Please understand that's the difference between us. That's cool. I appreciate where you're coming from. Can I mention one more thing sure. The in Genesis Fifteen. Again talking about Whether a whole people, groups should be wiped out for example. Just give this as one example because I think it helps people to understand that there's whole different perspective on any of those stories. you know God told Abraham what he was going to do? He said basically you know four hundred years. Egypt and you know. Blah Blah Blah because the cop of the nicotine of the Ameri does not yet fall, and I think that's one of the keystones of of the Bible that while there's any possible way to reach a people, group or individual. Individual. He's going to do it, but when there comes a point when he there's nothing more that he can do to to reach that people group. Were that person. Then you know he's. It's just they're gonNA infect people more than they're like said more than they're going to help, but even when he's done that in a sign of people group to death. Rahab for example. If there's anybody anybody that turns to God. They're always given that Opportunity Ruth I'm about as she shouldn't have been allowed into the sanctuary to the into the into the fellowship of God, but anybody that turns to God even from People Group. That's. Labeled that they're allowed because he's, he's searched and constantly and Sodom Gomorrah rather than being sample of I mean the God's love all the way through that. Human Hearts asking what it did when Abraham asked, will you wouldn't you wouldn't destroy a? I mean you wouldn't destroy. A city of there was fifty. What about forty? What about thirty? That's the question on every humans Har- ultimately, even if they don't know, they're asking it in God answers that question, ultimately by dragging four pathetic Christians out of the the town by their hand. There were so pathetic and faith that that's why he offered up as his daughter's number. One angels. They don't have body parts. He didn't know they were angels at that point so. His faith is so weak at that point. He's trying to protect those people he's I would not hold him up as a great Christian, but God drags the four them out in even He's lot is so afraid that he can't go up into the mountain. He Begs God to save that. One City God saves an entire cities small one, but saves. It temporarily destroys later because of again the week faith of a week pathetic Christian, so in my opinion, all those stories when properly understood, reveal a patient, relentless unbelievable God when we don't deserve it over and over again I I'm going to pose the same question to you on the other side of this, so don't answer yet, but you just said the term again there's nothing he can do. It certainly sounds like you're saying that. God has his hands tied and can't make these people good. And with lot know you called him a pathetic Christian. he's trying to save people. He gave his daughters to be raped by a mob. In I'm. I just can't wrap my head around. That serving God, and that's not just. I wouldn't say a pathetic Christian that is just downright evil I think so what I WanNa do is is have you address? why God can't just make them good. That's that's the thing I want you to address because to me, it seems much easier to make people better if have the power to do so rather than to wipe them out whether it's in exodus, killing the firstborn of all the people of the famous people, or or wiping out the Malachi or or killing the media nights, or whatever's going on, I don't understand. I, don't understand this. This concept that God can't just make the people good if the goal is to make them good. Why can't he just make them? And we'll get more into that in probably end up touching on the problem of evil. Why bad things happen because that's where this conversation tends to go, but we're GONNA do that as the conversation continues at Patriot, dot com slash David C smalley before we go. Are you the woman in the video that I saw on Tiktok. Is Okay good I thought I was getting you in trouble there for a minute John was like. Does she know about this one million? 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DEFENDERS OF THE NIGHT! Promo 1

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DEFENDERS OF THE NIGHT! Promo 1

"One Thousand Twenty six years ago superstition and the sword lead. It was a time of fear a time of Gargoyles list. What are you doing? Hey Daniel I didn't see you. I'm just watching Gargoyles mid-nineties Disney cartoon and do you always yell along with Goliath to you? Fair point so did you may want to watch with me. Oh and then make a podcast about hells. Yeah yes. I'm so into it. We are defenders of the nights. The most trusted source for topped about him coverage of everyone's favourite mid-nineties Animated Program. Gargoyles find us at CLAMMY CAST DOT com or your favorite pod catcher era.

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589: Gargoyles: Awakening, Parts I-V

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589: Gargoyles: Awakening, Parts I-V

"This Gargoyles Library. I'm your host Dan Moore and welcome to the first episode of this brand new podcast on the incomparable in which we're going to talk about out the Disney show gargoyles which debuted in nineteen ninety four. I've assembled an excellent panel of people who are interested in talking about this very. I'm fine animated television series with me. Are Cathy Campbell. Hi Kathy Hi Dan how are you. I'm great thanks for being here. Thanks for having Avenue Glenn. Fleishman is here. Hi Glen Well you an excellent panel and also me thank you for having your Shannon's other is here as well Shannon Less that not be enough. We've two southerners chips on earth is also here. Hi Chip. Don't you see Dan. None none of this would have happened if it weren't for you. That's probably true. I Apologize I Apologize Rally and rounding out our panel. My good friend Mr Tony Sandler. Hi Tony Hi. What what sorcery is that? Something that was in my notes. I know so. I'm asking you which each type of sorcery Tony Necker. Mitzi who knows citation needed these chapter titles and all right so so we are kicking off this new series by talking about the five episode arc. That begins this show which is entitled awakening but first before we delve into that. We're GONNA talk a little bit more. Broadly about the series. I will say that I saw this when it first aired in nineteen ninety four I remember. I'm pretty pretty sure I watched it at the house of a friend of Mine Antonis and the he and I watched it together and I remember seeing commercials for because I watched a lot of the other Disney afternoon stuff that this was packaged with and this was also one of my earliest memories of a show that I engaged in the Internet to try and figure out like when new episodes were coming on I was actually on a mailing list. I think it was a first mailing list. I was ever on which actually like sent out messages when it's like. Oh there are new episodes because it was so hard to figure out in that day and age when things were repeats and when things the new episodes This show had a big impact on me not only as a writer and a storyteller but also just like it got me interested in things. I read more Shakespeare because of this show I specifically read the play Macbeth because of this show for reasons that become apparent later on so I this is this show. What leads to you being an English major quite possibly you probably draw pretty clear line? Yes so this one. This was a big impact on me. I think it's a wonderful also. It's very unlike a lot of the other stuff. That was airing at the time. And that's why we are. We are not quite at the twenty fifth anniversary. I think that's actually next year. But we're pretty close so you know we'll consider this sort of grandfathered in along those lines so let's go through and see what you guys your experience with the show as a whole how you can't find it et Cetera CETERA. Kathy how did you first encounter gargoyles very similar to you. In fact I was a big Disney afternoon. Fan and this show Oh in particular Is One that so I was twelve twelve when it came out and it was one of the few shows was that my brother and I would ask to watch together like we would enjoy watching it together and then we also would proceed to I. I guess you could kind of think. Fan Fiction E as in like we would take blankets and wrap them around our shoulders to pretend to be our wings to to go flying around the back yard Guess that twelve. 'cause I am Yes. So it had an impact impact on like my relationship with my brother because we would fight over What other shows we would watch but if gargoyles was on we we both would one hundred percent agree on that and I don't think we actually saw so re watching these first five episodes? I think I may have seen in one or two of these five but So the very very beginning was kind of new to me and it was very exciting to Kinda get that refresher her course and actually get the full story. Because I growing up I never really knew shows came on a schedule And it was always just reruns ends in my brain and so learning when I was probably my twenty S. That shows came out new was really exciting. Yeah I mean even more where I think the other shows of this era. There were also notable. I'm thinking of you know Tony's done allows talking about Batman. The inmate series Gargoyles had a much more linear progression. Like the story. He is sequential right things. Early episodes affect things that happen and later up SOS which was not the case with most animated series at this time. So Yeah I can understand saying that being weird too. 'cause like wait a second. The story is not over it continues next week. I have to wait again. That's rough. That's rough Glen. You'RE GONNA put this delicately older. I'm curious to know because in my ear horn. I'm curious no because I know Kathy Myself. Tony I think we were probably all like in the teenage years when we watch this. I'm curious how you you came across this. Explain Yourself. Glenn what's wrong with you. And why are you child. Shouldn't holding point. I'm I'm I watched this during ritual run because back in the nineties everyone recalls. It was hard to watch things again because unless they showed up on television again. or You could program your VHS VHS player. I think I may have recorded this on. VHS VHS to watch the evening as my suspicion. After I worked my job thing I no longer have Ralph not related. Probably you probably. You probably didn't put you out of a job no I I remember watching. This comes off my love of Batman the animated series. He's even though it's very different and the animation style say upfront. It is pretty course compared to Batman series and even some of the things at the time they really did skin game like I enjoy plot a fair amount of dialogue specification all that but anyway. So I'm sure it was because I'd watch Batman the animated series where they think was off the air a new episode by the time this came on is that right. It sounds pretty close to overlapped a little bit. But there's the Oh wait actually looking at the Internet right now but I remember. I pretty sure I watched the original run. I I know it was rerun at times but I don't I know how much so allies episodes familiar and I have a recollection of like. Isn't it. Funny that you forget what technology used twenty years ago. I would come home because I certainly wasn't home like three in the afternoon. I guess I would come home from a job that was away from my house and use my VHS player which I've been correctly programmed to watch later. That's my suspicion at at least But I found it. I had the same reaction to like. I say many ways to Batman the animated series in that thing I loved about that man was how quiet it was how often they are willing to take a pause and have very spare animation and have no dialogue but advance things with like really neat elements and while it wasn't a perfect show. It was really great and in this show. I thought Gosh even in these I I mean there's some stuff in this first five parter but there's always throughout the best. I step aside the show sense of not just moral ambiguity of like. What exactly is the right thing here? Who who's in the is there somebody in the right? Here's here's everybody in the wrong glide is seen as moral center and yet he often makes decisions without enough information so he makes what are wrong choices enough to rectify it so oh I thought it was complex enough even though the plots and things are sometimes very simplified or simplistic You know also having lived in new haven in the late nineteen eighty s into early nineties and my wife having lived in New York it reminds be watching this show again. I'm like Oh yeah. New York was really dangerous when they were running the show their thinking at a time. which like you get like? Oh we can't go to central park at all because we might be set by armed people. If your car breaks down in any neighborhood thugs will come not titians a multi-ethnic. Buffet usually reserved usually reserved for musicals. It's like a Michael Jackson. Gang will come and get you But I think it really did represent. I'm watching. It's a show that I think is very much in love with New York City or a certain version of it doesn't I mean there are things in the show. I even noticed that were very specific. New York Elements anyway it's Disney's pre gentrification Asian New York true. Yeah and it was. It was realistic in that sense. Because there's a lot of lines like you can have an armed band of people shooting machineguns in central park and the police lease they're not gonNA show up. Why would they bother? This is happening all the time. Yeah I think you hit upon one interesting point there too. which is that this is a very undesirable show in that is what probably drew a lot of us to it like compared to certainly a lot of the other stuff? That was airing in the Disney afternoon. I I love things like tailspin dark wing duck but like those were very. Are you traditional cartoons. This was very much a against the grain and that I think is what drew a lot of people in with beauty and the beast the TV sure. That was a few years before it with Ron Perlman. I think they're definitely aspects of the guys Wales. They they even touch upon that more directly later on to at least one episode. I think that that kind of alleged that Yeah there was actually. This show was actually originally developed as a comedy show sort of in the same in vain of Disney's adventures of the gummy bears. The gargoyles we're going to be comedic figures there were there. Were going to be wacky hijinks and I was such that Gargoyles. Yeah yeah very much so and and I think that as they were trying to break the stories they were trying to sell the story They kept getting into roadblocks and they saw the success of Batman the animated series Especially in awakenings. There are moments where the animation feels. It's much more Disney then action adventure. I'm thinking about The character who will become known as Broadway sniffing the algae augie in the rookery. And he'll just looks like a Disney character and that sort of fades as as the series goes on over the years. But but I feel like this was a it was a complicated mix of action adventure in Disney after afternoon. And I don't know that Disney news exactly what to do with it. Even though the show runner Greg Weisman I think clearly did and it turned into it. It turned into a cult favorite. All right with good. With good reason I think Shannon how about you how did you first encounter the show chip and I sort of fell into it together and ship feel free to jump in but I remember vividly one thing. That sort of got US interested is Hearing about it as it was about to come on some of the voice actors that they had the Jonathan frakes marina certes and Michael Dorn all of these star Trek next generation actors. They're all doing this project. Hey okay that sounds interesting. And let's see what's up and of course once. We started watching an interesting story line. The kind of continuity we as as we kept watching the kind of continuity and attention to that that we fell in love with watching Babylon five which is a show that relies incredibly heavily on the continuity. You can't just watch an episode here or there and jump in kind of and Gargoyles in especially later seasons turned into that. If you haven't been watching previous seasons you wouldn't know what the hell is going on relied on that previously on and that works for me. I love love complicated stories. I love stories that get into details. GET INTO CHARACTER ARCS. All of these different characters have journeys and you know once onset had my attention it kept it chip you anything you want to either. I just remember when we get into this specific miniseries. I vividly remember missing the first few minutes of the first episode so when I sat down in front of the television. It's not it. It's the year nine ninety four and I didn't know that this was going to catapult into the future until the end of the episode and they go to an and they show the opening credits late because they didn't want to give away the store and I'm like wait. That's a helicopter yeah I. I'm actually really glad that I missed that. Because that moment of surprise was magnificent. Didn't know they had helicopters ninety four eighty Revisits visit must be some kind of dragon. Tony How `bout you Dan we're similar age and thus are stories a similar. This was part of that block of stuff that you could watch in the afternoon when you were a kid. I was in junior high when this was coming on and you know I was I was. It's the kind of kid who would go for the right. Thank you very much Look I didn't hear your story old Guy Watch a a sizeable block of television while doing my homework work until dinnertime. And I think that block adjusted over the years but Batman. The animated series definitely cornerstone. Gargoyles was another big cornerstone on the next generation. reruns would were a big part of that. So those were I think other Disney afternoon stuff probably most notably dark wing dock. Were big parts of that. This was one of the really big ones And I think some of it was just it. Is this kind of inbetween. Is this a kids cartoon or is it something darker more serious with more a complex storytelling just watching these first five episodes it is. It's interesting where it's like sometimes feels like a kids cartoon and I can see the like the Disney. The afternoon influences and sometimes it's a lot spookier and a lot more complicated. They still pull their punches. A lot with the depictions of violence right like there's a lot of fights in these first five right up besides but there's never violence and there's a lot of like laser guns and just kind of explosions blasting people you know here and there But but yeah I I think this this grabbed me right away as something. That was kind of not necessarily geared directly for younger kids. When there wasn't a lot of that on the era back then there would be a lot more as you know cartoon network would would come and build up a giant empire? You'd have more animated shows on comedy central and things like this but this was this was. Was this early in between thing. What are the things I I would note about it? And this may maybe comparison to to the gummy bear shows here and there. I feel like there's a lot of teenage teenage mutant Ninja Turtles. DNA gargoyles. It said in New York. There's the one human female character who's going to help the weird monsters pitted and navigate things They live in New York but they're outsiders. There are only four types of teenagers and as you know they are Mopey nerd hungry and boy scout. I guess Voltron uses the same formula because yeah that's how that networks but I don't know I I've always very much into this show and the definitely it was a tricky show to have as something that just aired every weekday. When you have these longer plot arcs right? I mean the premier for this you would have had to watch five days in a row at the same time every day and if you missed it you missed a pretty important chunk chunk of the story. Yeah Yeah that was definitely a tricky tricky proposition. I want to point out one tiny thing. which is that? This show has a lot of mythology but it doesn't explain much much and I kinda love that there's like what are gargoyles. Why do they become stone when the sun rises? How does this magic work? Are they vigorous other other very few females relative to nail. Where are the you know the eggs? There's a lot of questions that don't make any sense. But then they do things like this and I highlight is my wife because I thought that was super clever. She's like can't you fly back up. He's like no no. I can only glide. I'm like Oh my God. What a great choice and it affects the entire show instead of making it simple simple? They obviously already have a ridiculous wingspan to volume ratio in could not really glide probably very well however. They didn't go to the thing like well. They have enough power they can fly back up. I thought this this is a brilliant constraint. So super large amount of what they're backstory's not mentioned at all we can't even infer it and they have great little technical details like that that work their way into the show and I kind of appreciate the didn't have well. Let's go back to the origin of Gargoyles Caveman. Time thing so a lot of questions about author mass when they're turned into stone. It's magic. Don't worry just relax. This week's this'll curious about the eggs leads into something that you know talking about this. I five part art Miniseries opening which I think works really. Well which is as Glennon saying like the rules are Kinda given up front we get a lot. It's very economical in terms of like what what is happening. We don't always get the why but the fact that they do turn to stone during the day You know is one of the things that set up right at the front and it makes for interesting constraints needs for these creatures right because not only does it mean they are vulnerable during the day when no one is like they are not awake so they can be essentially smashed but it provides an interesting dynamic with some of the characters the human characters around them especially. I'm thinking of the fact that that later in this series in the in this Five episode Ark Goliath doesn't want to tell Lisa like why that they're vulnerable right. He is he is worried about betrayed again and so when she finds out and we see it through her eyes. It's genuinely startling. Even though we know it's it's going to happen because we sort of get the perspective from her of like what the hell does happen like that super weird so I I appreciate that like with declining thing a lot of this stuff and and the fact that the sleep heels them right like the we see to Tony's point about the violence one of the first shots Involves Goliath catching a sword and actually bleeding. Which is unusual in a cartoon eight but we also establish that then it is healed later? So it's nice and economical in the way that it sort of lays out this world and the constraints of this world also their clothing turn system for some reason which I'd love never it's never explained. It's awesome Magic Glenn imagining standards in practice. Something Else Ed missing the first couple of episodes in the in my original watch that I now discovered was the fact that they didn't come with names. Goliath was the only one named and so when I was getting ready to watch these I was like why in the world do they have New York names. I remembered distinctly. They had these names and I was like that's so odd and then to discover. Oh because they were named in the future like that makes so much much more sense but having them just be their characters without actually being named for what the first three episodes. It's a long time second. Yes it was. It was very bold choice. Because how can you say like yeah. You're being cast as a named Gargoyles the number two. Yeah I'll put that on my my like plan my schedule and yeah. I thought that is a very interesting decision to make. Also want to touch briefly on Shannon I think mentioned the the voice casting voice casting in this series is tremendous not not only because there are so many star Trek veterans. Not just from next generation. There's people from almost every show at one point or another astounding it's astounding. I was looking up at the wikipedia to remind myself and seeing some of the guest actors. That show Lloyd on people trying to remember. Now Michelle Nichols is is in there. Alan Cumming is in there like really great. Who did the voice cast as soon as we Andrea Romano but she was listed for for it? No no it's the voice directors. Jamie Thomson I'm not sure about casting. I don't remember that credit. Somebody must have new. Its fast passing and that was one of the reasons I like the show too. I think some extent is next generation was still on the air that it was just it was just on the and I was like. Oh this is great enemy. Jonathan frakes in MM particular remember. Jonathan's fix 'em reassert aside an incredibly good time and the fact that they got at Asir which my wife and I was like probably had a minute studio for like doc two hours on one day to record whole animated series to. He's clearly he clearly was available. I love the fact that he is. The only one to commit to. The Scottish accent is going to be doing yourselves finish candidate. He's old. He's he's settled in his ways. The other ones are all trying to fit in in New York Ark and are really good at that so yeah and I WANNA point out. Obviously this we'd be remiss if we didn't talk about Keith. David Goliath wiz fantastic. And and as as the anchor of this show right he really is. He's our main character. Yeah everything relies upon that performance being sort of spot on and I love how how much he commits to this. And the the what makes what so impresses me about. It is for example. If you watch these episodes in the I like the first scene I think when Lisa shows up to the tower. And everything's going to hell. The she talks to beat cop right and and that is also clearly. Keep David but it's a different mood like he's got such vocal range to go from the big Joe. Like Deep Stentorian Goliath down to these. Like I think he's one of the thugs to frankly. You can kind of hear it when you listen but yeah and then just the range of all all the other like you know professional voice actors. Who are in this too right? Like all the the most of the young Gargoyles you get like Jeff Bennett. In particular who I think does has not only Brooklyn but also in right yes. Yeah like yeah I mean think about all those characters. Those characters are totally different right lake and Person Voice them. Frank Welker does Bronx. Of course yeah so yeah yeah. Great Great Calf Clancy Brown is in the villain at at the At this moment I did not realize it. Salli Richardson like I'd never actually looked up. Who did the voice for at least a Mazda Lisa Maza and I thought she was a Elisa Zano Liza Maza Sorry Lisa she I thought I really liked that role I thought the role was generally fairly well written. And I like the voice characterization characterization and then I'm like Oh who was that anyway Mike. Oh my God she's been in a million things. It was also my favorite character on the very flawed show Eureka that I watched most of because I kind of like a lot. Some of the actors on it amazing but she was probably my favorite actor on that rule. And I'm like oh I didn't relate to the same person until I think for her particular That character and that character could be a very simple to mental character. And in the in this miniseries I think we only get a little bit of her but yeah she they do such a nice job later. On of really fleshing out her character or family or background. I like all of that in a way that also not done a lot and her action scene in central park is remarkable she. She's The star. She's The star of the show. Oh for that entire sequence and very much chip. We're your gun go. One pushy. Takes off her jacket and she's an empty holster. Goliath crashes ashes as their previous episode. Snake you remember the good but it was. Snow is beautiful. I'm like something happened to gun. This is not a mistake and I did not remember. That's what happened. That's MHM. I'm here to help and liked. I liked the fact that we have this cop that comes in and it was a female as well. I mean that was something as the young girl. There's a main character and it's a girl and she's a bad she's she's Yanic. Yeah in fact the American right and Raymond. Yeah and everybody I her to take her seriously. Yeah we we. We're there later episodes. We meet both her father and mother separately. Right right right and I think the The actress Salli. Richardson is also as like a mixed background to. Which is it's nice right like there's a mixed race character being played by mixed rates actor that was also at that point either shoes African American native American mother? The father of Italian English descent says Wikipedia. But no that was. I feel like that's unusual. I was surprised. Like Oh my God. She actually look something like is something like the character that was we are doing the voice aspect I'm guessing they probably modeled some of the character on the actress. Just given even how close those two things are not be surprised if that was the case there Sorry go ahead I was just gonNa say they modeled Keith. David serving they modeled Goliath off of Keith David to obviously under the wings and the horns in everything I do. Do you WanNa talk about some of the characters. But I'm not sure if we go through briefly go through the plot or should we just assess more broadly. How do you guys feel particular preference now? Now let's let's you abroad so so yeah so as we already sort of talked about. What's interesting about this show is that we start off very brief? We have this teaser. Caesar in the present day and then we jump back to Scotland and the premise is set up that we have this castle it is defended by the gargoyles their stone during the day. But they come alive at night so when these invading invaders like you show up and attack you know. Everybody thinks the leaders crazy. Because he's attacking you know when the when these supposedly mythological creatures are gonNA come to life. He doesn't believe it. Of course they turn out to be real and so we end up with this whole fight scene where the gargoyles really you know. Throw a boulder wait and drive people off but what they get interesting about this is we. We find that. Of course the Gargoyles are not accepted by the society the particularly really the the sort of high echelons side. We have a princess who really looks down on them. We have the Magus adviser who is also not a big fan and pretty much. What's their only ally and defenders the captain of the guard the unnamed? I always is interesting. Unnamed captain of the Guard and so we have have this sort of betrayal plot. Right where the GARGOYLES are. We have this gargoyles species where they are treated poorly and the We have somebody betraying the castle in the princess and essentially like convincing the The person who attacked to basically try their luck again at daylight. There's a whole thing with a ruse or Goliath is lured away and we find out more later about the whole sort of like sequence events therre which ends up being again fairly complex because of the the betrayer of course turns out to be the captain who is the only trust but the the fact that only a Goliath and Hudson. I mean he's the names just to be convenient was leave. The castle means that everybody else is left undefended and that we then have you know the the invaders come and essentially smash all of the gargoyles except for three young heroes. Who are hiding out in the rookie? With all the eggs and the and the dog and the dog. It's very confusing. Yeah why is the dog. A gargoyles dog be question. This magic UH rabid gargoyles. Good boy yes it just. It raises some concerning questions of parentage. And you know it's a whole Pluto goofy goofy issue to maybe. He's not a dog maybe he's just well he's he's very soft spoken. So Hi. This is Shannon made the comparison to Babylon five earlier. Another point of comparison. Here is that the Creator and Joe in showrunner of Gargoyles Greg Weisman was also fairly active online and he would painstakingly explained to you online that that that Bronx is a or goal beast not a Garg oil and there's a taxonomy here so the novelization so we have a another as the invader. Hey Con when captures the princess and we end up with this slightly awkward sort of misunderstanding. Where The Magus believes that the The princess has been killed by. Hey Con because the gargoyles showed up and so he essentially casts dispel on the younger gargoyles. Hudson that freezes them into stone even during the night Goliath goes after an saves the princess but loses his chance at revenge John. Hey Khan and is surprised to find. The captain is the person who betrayed the castle and so of course when he returns you know he he doesn't know what has happened to his friends. The MAGA's explains he's put a sort curse on them That they sleep for a thousand years or sleep until the castle was raised above the clouds and that he can't undo the spell because the pages been burned in his thome and so this is not a very good does a very good memory. Seem kind of like a poser. If I learned anything from as you say that spelled backwards and so what Goliath request that he also be put sleep their return to the castle and and that is when we jump forward and a thousand years to our quote Unquote Present Day or at least twenty five years ago and we are introduced to the very interesting character of David. Santos who I want to say is personally. I think one of my favorite characters on this entire first of all Jonathan frakes we all vandross is basically like he's like he's. He's Jerky Tony Stark. which is which is which the redundant yeah let me slightly more able to make Santos I think compelling is the fact that he is he existed he's a villain and yet he is not necessarily always villainous like he's got he's in that weird gray area and that's what I do about him as a character is that he he is at various times? Ally like a grudging ally verses actual antagonised in this case we learned that he is like heard the legend of the gargoyles. He has moved the entire castle. Lock Stock Barrel Rick Brick by brick and rebuilt it on top of his skyscraper in New New York. 'cause that's a totally the amount of effort they put into depicting how the thing was disassembled though. That was very impressive. Like there's numbers on things that are packing it up there flying away. I'm like this is a lot of effort to show. We packed up the castle and move Dave's interesting choice. Yeah it's an interesting choice into the the mega spell until the castle rises above the clouds. That's very very specific. Metaphor there It's very it must. It must rhyme in the metric language or something like every spell has to have like a clause they they've invented magic and the lawyers got got to it so it's like every every spell has to have an exit exit rate so that it Kinda leave you've ever signed the contract says in perpetuity till the end of the universe. You know that that just doesn't works. I signed contracts say that the publication owns the rights. This until my words rise above the clouds. Yeah worked very well. Chipping makes a lot of sense. If if you just consider a basic legal theory please when pigs fly right last question. Do they not consider fog clouds votes. Because I you know. Scotland fairly overcast and fog rolls in and one could argue but obviously they did not so. I wonder if it's a belief system as well. Maybe the fog came in during the day. Gargoyles was an amazing show on the Disney afternoon. That only ran and for one episode turned to the stone at the end and that was it so in our in our in present day. The gargoyles are awakened. I do love the the design of the castle on the skyscraper although it makes virtually we know senator still incredibly distinctive and it's got a lot of character we were trying to figure out where Zana's data's skyscraper fits in the New York skyline. Yeah because they do show. They show the Chrysler building a lot. They showed the empire state building. I think basically wants and so my my my my viewing partners working theory is that it's the the metlife building which in the movies is also what they made the the avengers tower prime real estate. You Really Jerky Tony Stark. Oh that's great love it. I'm here to help. I hope it's called. The eerie built the Eerie area building. Right it is called the area I think they do refer to it at some point he also I love the fact again. Nineteen Ninety S. Some strange thing I mean not quite accurate. There's like one board. Sleepy security guard guarding the elevator. Any place in the building. Yeah yeah well you know. He's very trusting. David it was it was the ninety S. There's one security guard and there's four mercenaries laser guns everywhere. You Go. Yeah Yeah it was. It was a great economy. What can we say okay interesting? We get a little bit backstory. When the guerrillas wake wake-up Santos introduces them tells them what's going on? We do. Learn the mega throwdown. The story in the xanthos has the grim Warr. We also get get they actually get asked about the the ask about the eggs in the rookery which he says are gone and the last gargoyles sort of. We'll just like asterisk. The heck out of that one but I love those down. That's what I'm saying. Look down his threes lying. Oh yes yeah I mean yeah that is also true And then we get this interesting episode where these commandos show up and basically jump in and appear to run around and steal something from Santos and and then flee again and the gargoyles sort of fight them off and Santos thanks them but we get this whole weird. That's the beginning of the first episode where we have this whole firefight and stuff like falling off the building chunks of stony etc and so we have at least. That's what draws our detective. Lisa Maza Aisa in as she comes to investigate what could leave clause in solid stone. The fight scenes are a little long for my liking. They have some nice moments in it. I I think my favorite one in here is when a evil commando throws a grenade at Lexington like tosses it aside because he doesn't know what a grenade is But Yeah at times. It's like I get it pumped punch exposing explosion. I'm trying to try to sort of give money. Honey shot to each character juggling all the different characters. I think that's part of what drove that. Yeah even ended up. We're GONNA walk. I'm never gonNA walk around the Eerie building though because man they're always like bricks and all kinds of stuff falling down like it must be like a death zone paid off a wad code inspectors on. Yeah it's it's a pretty elaborate scam That is very shaggy scam. Zana's running running in this in this story And I think that towards the end this is it's sort of where everything sort of falls apart but it's it's kids action adventure. TV and they're still finding their way and the the assault on the castle. The humor bits as the gargoyles complete fish out of water. You know It's it's a lot of fun for me. Yeah I'm willing to buy. I mean I think it establishes that he's kind of ridiculously Machiavellian And that probably this as we as we discover later this whole fight was staged by him. but I am willing to buy it that it's equal part. He's he has overly complicated evil plans. And he wants to test the gargoyles slash his own amusement to be part of the the basically the fight because he he wants to he wants to shoot a laser gun at some people it fits very well with Santos liabilities according to how Owen is informed him that shooting his own employees as Safer shooting strangers so again New York City in the early nineties so maybe dig the giant discs I really liked the giant disks or optical. Do so he stopped news opt optical discs a few years before that were like looked like giant floppies. And I think that's what they're trying to really work find that those were. We're actually magic talisman. Yeah I love. How condescending is being really like helpful? Well the debriefing. Where he's like? I need you guys to go on my commando rays and they're like. Wow you have a screen. That shows big dude. Maybe maybe these are not the guys you need to like. Go the laboratory. How are they going to find a disk? I do love Jonathan frakes delivery on your naievety is refreshing. So slimy slimy and get like it's the worst parts of Reicher right. It's the worst parts of will reicher cross Tony Stark. It is true when you have magic though and you can in you know in your in a world of magic it's all. The machinations of things are machines and screens are not quite as amazing to you probably have seen things in mirrors and and screaming ponds and things already moving tapestry so we have lisa investigate this whole bizarre firefight and Owen with Zan. Cessna's assistant tries to get rid of her but she's still snooping around. Yeah Owen is a win is a person who has not given a lot of screen time in this episode but is certainly one of my favorite characters for reasons that become later on. He's delightful and he's also just yes the delivery and his persona is fantastic. Yeah the younger. The youngest snarky Alford. You could ever imagine yes an just such a straight man such straight and very very good. Use your revelations just hilarious delirious so we have our first encounter between a Lisa and Goliath where Goliath as Tony mentioned. Crushes lease gun. She stumbled off the building and he saves her and then they climb back up and they seem to start to establish a reporter. She explains he's a detective. And there's you know basically a things that she's investigating. She investigates when when things are don't fit together and we get a nice line about her sing a good detective. Trust no one. And that's one thing we have in common goliaths. Fear of being betrayed again runs very strongly through this entire episode and that is again another a nice note of complexity I think for these characters even though we have Santos he doesn't entirely trust Santos He doesn't entirely trust Lisa at the beginning. Either and we see just how badly affected by the events of the of Scotland. So rich is the time line was yesterday right. So right and yet he he. He throws that questioning completely away. When Dimona comes back in two of life layer? which almost makes is that betrayal and that interaction even more intense? Because you've seen him okay. Yeah he's got his other buddy a Buddy gargoyles and here's someone that saved his life and Yada Yada but still questioning and then oh his angel of the night comes back and all is forgiven and and that just stab in the heartened. It's it's so painful. The PATHOS Pathos yes. Speaking of PATHOS. this this Tehran of shows has some great subtle dialogue here and there like when a Lisa asks Goliath. There's more than one of you and he says barely uh-huh yeah in that Nice growl to So we have Santos giving the briefing about these stolen discs by cyber -biotics. And how he's going to send him out to recover them. We also get the idea. Now that he is something else is going on where he tells the shadowy figure that everything is going according to plan subtle animation is. It's hard to do because you have that moment of like especially when you're watching his back to back you're like well clearly d'amato right like shape of her and everything in the shadows but yeah not not so much that we get the discussion say airships giant sky ships. You know you'd think after what the avengers The doctor who ended time name anytime the the the the sound of drums What's The sky captain and the world of tomorrow? You know these giant airships these giant propeller-powered propeller-powered airships. They always go down. They always craft live out their ship. Back you right. You're right we get a discussion with Goliath Lisa about names. This is where Hudson gets his name and a Lisa and Glasgow sightseeing threat. City league well Hudson discovers television. We get our aforementioned mugging scene with the Yuppies who I believe. Show up in the background in a few more episodes as well Komo one of them. That was something else that they tended to bring these minor characters. Yes yes we. There's only like seven people in New York City Eh Marco who is clearly voiced by Marina. Serious as well which I enjoy goliath beats up thugs and Elisa's very happy. The best thing that could happen to the city that's right because the city cannot be policed by police. Officers can only by Mrs Mugabe everything. Vigilante Justice I don't think it would. I'll be turtles or Batman. This is what the city needs and then it was rough in the nineteen nineties man and then our thugs show up our commandos. Show up and Trink to chew Goliath full of some sort of sedative or something. The goliath and Lisa flee the boys who are out trying to sightsee and have found a motorcycle things and then blown it up lots of stuff also blows up surly. That character will never return. This universe has a lot of extra oxygen in the air. I think on Central Park blow up that thing blowing up blowing up in the tower that we're just we just gas cans everywhere in the nineties. And along the way we get the very distinct personalities for the for for the boys we find out pretty clearly that Lexington is going to become donatello going to become the tech. The Tech Person Broadway is at least Orlando because the jolly hedonistic eating stuff type and Brooklyn is figure out little later on that. He's kind of Goliath in training. But he's not there yet. Yeah he's a he's a little bit more than the Goliath is little Mo cool oh but crude reference. We get a funny funny scene where they try to when they realized they can't get back to the tower easily. Try to the cab which man as Lisa and glide fleeing they discover that glide has a radio tracker with him on him with a logo on it at least puts it on a dog the logo. I love the logo. What happened to that dog? We never see that dog again. That's what happened to. The dog is still following. We have fun so as we mentioned up top the at least discovers that despite the fact that Goliath has tried to hide this whole stone stone sleep thing for him that like she discovers it when they can't make it back before dawn and he explains briefly before he turns stone that he's totally vulnerable during day so she tries to lead the commandos away and we get a really great action sequence as she takes them out she goes to the boathouse. The Boat House blows up. She guy in with a jacket like this rowboats also by the way but hey that's okay gasoline. I don't remember the waterfall and the sheer cliff in central park. Ah I must exist. I'm going to leave it does it does not exist. I'm sure there's some of it is also a park that is because it's nineteen ninety-four MT at broad daylight as dangerous. No one dared say in that part. I wondered about that in the scene where she runs through the cafe. But it's also yeah dawn because he's just turned to stone so it's probably a little it's Kinda like Morningside Park. Yeah they called any of the mercenary. Our Dan the first jogger when she finally circles back to Goliath anyone who lived in New York City in the late eighties. If I say it's more like Morningside Park is laughing at home now or in the car. Yeah the Nice bit with Jogger. WHO's like I have run through this for five years thirsting that statue which is funny and then they he just keeps going though visit because there's a New Yorker? I just missed it. Neural Lisa stays with Goliath all day. which finally basically earns her some trust strikes? She's he's protected him and that that is a bond right. That's sort of establishes a bond that we don't have with Santos even though Santos is the one who is brought them all back upon upon returning we get the clan. Gets all of their names my notes. Here's what we know. They can't read so I guess they're just all things they overheard and clearly the over a lot of things they they had a very busy day right. So we've got Lexington Broadway Brooklyn and Bronx. I mean. Look they're speaking modern English so we have some accommodation the nation to make it's fair true. Magic Garbo's have very flexible brains as because of their origins that are magic you ever sold translated. Santos wants to Goliath. And we get the reveal of Dimona and we get our reunion a union between the two lovebirds. Dimona tells a story about basically going after Goliath and then having when she realized they've turned stone having the biggest cast the spell again Santos Tos says that he acquired her first. This is also some questionable but interesting like this is another thing I like about the show is layered narratives right like we're already suspicious because of the way this is presented were suspicious of these characters and a lot of this stuff will end up being things that turn out to be inaccurate not inaccurate but like there dissembling right which is another fascinating thing that we don't get a lot. I feel like in this area of this year. Well in in my my memory I always knew Santos was the bad guy like I mean. He's got a ponytail. He's gotta go he wears. I mean do you need to see his his tax returns to those people and so in the first episodes with he's you know nice and he'd saved them and all of the stuff I was was just like did I completely forget being stern. I was very very confused. And so when it all turns okay in my memory. Isn't that bad. We get them all sent on their missions to all these various sites which includes some some fun confrontations we get some character development moments as we realized that Dimona is pretty callous about human lives and Goliath is still not quite ready despite having been betrayed by humans to sort of categorically dismissed all humans every guard every facility is incapable of shooting. Anybody that no one ever gets it right any of the actually the bulletin or whatever. I don't think so any point I don't think so stormtrooper some you know as a cartoon but it's also still like there's a lot of shoot out. There are a lot of guns in these sequences but yeah not a lot of people actually getting violently hurt. Yes we get the the the kids go to this tower and get you know. Ama- sensually ambushed by a bunch of guards but they managed to get their way out. We get Hudson. Who's the Saviola time? Rookie tricks his way in By essentially like giving himself up and then having brock's come in and save him Dimona destroys the airship despite Goliath wanting to save people. She's dragged him out at least a cease go out and do WANNA leaving the crash airship and she sort of her suspicions are raised. Dimona tries to convince Goliath that humanity is basically their enemy and Santos is the only one they can trust. He is not quite buying it. And this is when the cracks in this relationship. Start to show She goliath go. See a Lisa. Who reveals that? The logo that was on the radio tracker is a company that belong. Santos maybe just don't make your logo so prominent prominent. Whatever dan branding matters? And why. Why won't you engage with brands? On trackers. Nice I'm really trying. I'm trying hard or not to this. Tracker was not. GDP are compliant so we also get the revelation of course that Santos has tricked them into stealing all these discs from cyber -biotics and that he staged the quote unquote theft in the first place. xanthos realizing the GARGOYLES can no longer be relied upon decides. He's GonNa anti-trust replacements that he is now enabled with this technology historian and we have the introduction of the steel clan which are all gargoyles robots designed to look like Goliath for for some reason. I guess because he's The coolest looking one. Yeah very again very Tony. Stark having all our robots around with laser cannons and shoot it all the the gargoyles but the gargoyles managed to fight them off and in Dimona sort of turns on them. She's got a rocket launcher decides to use that. And we get the revelation that she we worked with the captain basically to try and betray all the humans in the castle and she reveals that she has a name that the humans gave her long ago. Oh and it's Dimona. Lisa tackles her. The tower comes down xanthos is knocked out Goliath Saves Lisa. But let's Dimona fall. Oh and there's an echo shot of the same reaction. He has when he I thought he was dead. Way Back in in Scotland which is kind of a nice callback. I do like some mentioned earlier. Though the fact that he just chips and opening line the fact that he boldly says like it's really. You're the one who's responsible Komo for all this. You made it all happened so you know if you're mad at him he doesn't say this that detail but it was a really great thing to have somebody who's show like this to say this is all your fault really is I mean and she will have none of it you know. She's not going to accept it. Everybody else has gotta Pay Yup Yup and then we have seen where goliath hangs over the edge and he's GonNa drop him and of course we have our our classic but if you do you'll be the same as Guna right and glide showing his hero ISM allows Santos to instead be arrested on theft. I guess I don't know the charges are nice. Mr Santos I'll double so his cert- lining I guess so it doesn't dare and we have the Gargoyles sourcing the castle we've established at. Lisa's going to watch watch out for them and and she told me this will take them to a football game. Apparently and that is where we end our introductory arc setting up a lot of these pieces and it could have very easily gone from this to becoming a show that was just like a very episodic bad guy of the week with all the I mean and these ingredients right like there's a lot of shows I feel like once you've done the pilot episode. Everything else is kind of interchangeable. And I think that's that's again the part of this show that I I responded to so much was we jump off from this into a very complex exploration of all of these characters and plots they do you a lot of world building in this show compared to other stuff at the time it it almost felt like it was you know are we building a TV show or could this have been like an RPG campaigners right there's going to be all these overlapping factions and people with complicated intersecting backstories and people who have been married and who have have parents who are at war with other people and it's Yeah for kids. Yeah I don't I don't remember how it got scheduled but there were only thirteen episodes in the first season and I am pretty sure that it ran. awakenings ran as a daily five. Yes Day rip edit of it but it removes some things and rearrange some stuff so yeah it's not quite complete so so but I I think that first season was aside from running For a week I think it was weekly. I think it was syndicated. Weekly or something like that but so just thirteen episodes to And it's a reasonably complete story there but they still set up the seeds for if they got renewed and so the second season Brings it to to a total of sixty five episodes. So you've got your full on Disney Rotation thing going and there is just so much not only. Is there the The the serial plot going on throughout throughout but they take aac all of these amazing side trips to cover just about every possible human mythology. You can possibly get in this series from various from various ghosts and Goblin types of things too The aluminum body of of all things to the MIC. My personal vote for the worst Gargoyles story the one about the The Easter Island aliens. Don't remember yeah that's not not on the voting on that one for the rest. We're leaving aside We're leaving aside the also all seasons. We're basically doesn't exist. Fans considered noncanonical the air during Saturday. Mornings different coke chronicles. It's pretty bad. That's contacted folks. Easter island is not season three. Though I'm sorry to sell you know I think it's you know season two as part of the journey. Yeah Yeah so well. I'm glad that we got a chance to talk about these. First five episodes Zambales WanNA interject with anything before we we go our ways almost sunrise us. Just how just how. Well they sort of like thought things through Glen already talked about the gliding thing chip and I noticed this time around while they're in Scotland and there's lots of room to move a lot of them are running on all fours like their physiology is is there leaping sleeping along like wolves or lions and then once they're in New York. You almost never see that again. Because there's no room to run so they're out there walking on On feet two feet instead But they're very consistent with their movements and what's possible and what isn't possible with them and it's just a lot of thought and care went into the world building I think and I think it shows the designed to I the thing that I rem. I remarked upon when looking at the first episode. And it's even Sean Sean. There is the use of the wings as cloaks is. I think one of the best such a great design move because it not only is l. against in terms of its usage and everything but it makes it makes the character somewhat more relatable because it makes their silhouettes more human and so I think that's a really fascinating choice of design and it's just. It's a really nice little detail notice in watching this time. That Dimona has like little hand. Cli- thing that she she uses and some of the others glide has more of a like a talent sort of thing but it's even down to that level of design. They're all everyone is their own custom kind of way of bringing young individuals they've types but they're individuals and some of it is. I mean I had forgotten how Toyota some of the design is where it's like we need to be able to sell six different different action figures but it also means like they're all very and they each different color scheme and a very different shape right so they're very distinctive in a in a complicated scene with fighting our people in Silhouette and whatnot remember. How low resolution? TV was then. He's very part has been remastered for high definition. No still want to get into whether Lenovo because I'm very confused so Glenn I feel like that's my cue to wrap this. Yes please well all right. We have covered the first five episodes. I think we're actually going to try in future episodes to cover the rest of season one at least because it's fairly short whether we do you one or two episodes of the time. I haven't quite figured out yet. But I'm I'm looking forward to getting smart panel and maybe some other contributors as well talk about the rest of cease one and we'll see how that goes and maybe we'll move onto season two after that but until then I would like to thank my panel from today Campbell. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you Dan for letting me experience my childhood again. You're quite welcome Glenn Fleishman pleasure having you on. It was great and I'm glad to revisit the the show I really loved and did not have a motivation to watch until talking about it. So thank you. You're welcome Shannon's our thank you for being here. Always a pleasure to talk about stuff. I love yes. Isn't it chips on earth. Thank you so much. Offer me a podcast about gargoyles. And I'll follow you into hell. Good News Tony's into lower. Thanks for joining us on. This amazing adventure could buy nerds and thank you all out there for listening listening we will be back next time on Gargoyles library it.

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RHAP B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Survivor 37 Episode 2 with Antonio Mazzaro

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RHAP B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Survivor 37 Episode 2 with Antonio Mazzaro

"Some game right to your mama. Offense. As the r h Peyton Ambi. Some day. Awesome school. I can sell you. The our ace. Hi, everybody. Welcome to the RHA p. BNB for the second episode of survivor, David versus Goliath, my name is Mike bloom here to bring you everything about this fantastic second episode including all the know it all shenanigans in New York. That surrounded at first, I mean, welcome in my tried and true co host of the BNB the Mason to my Dixon Liana Boris Liana. How are you. I'm great. Although I do feel like this season, we've been podcasting, like a bunch of David's. So I think we really need to step it up. And I think this is the perfect episode to do it. Hopefully concerned the David did not do too well. I don't know if we're the designated weak links of, but this guy is definitely not a weakling when it comes to podcasting, our guest for the week. You know him from a slew oppo show recaps podcast. Most recently, the fantastic better call Saul coverage he's doing with rob Saturday. No, let me give him a virtual fist-bump so it's not completely visual. Antonio are welcome back to the BNB. Thanks, Mike, thanks, Leon. I can be the Dixon to your Mason. I'm not sure that I want to embrace that, but I guess I do live in Kentucky, like Nick. So here we are. Yeah, as I don't know if you want to speak on behalf of all Kentucky ends, but is the Mason Dixon line. Like, I mean, this probably speaking to my geographic. Foibles, but I necessarily realize that the Mason Dixon line also ran over the border of Kentucky. It's it's not great. I mean, it's the Maryland Pennsylvania line, but it one hundred percent has an impact around here. You you certainly hear about it or it's part of it. I mean, I believe and I don't want to be wrong about this, but I believe the Dixon part of the Mason Dixon line is where Dixie the term for the south in general comes from, and there's definitely a debate where I live in northern Kentucky about where that line actually begins and ends. If you go probably about fifteen minutes outside of the Cincinnati area where I live the southern accent's pick and would add nowhere, I guess because that's the TV or radio. They listen to when they were growing up, but it's it's instant. You can almost feel yourself crossing the line on the exits on the interstate. I'm just looking forward to survivor season fifty three, the civil war. Red versus do. Exactly. Not the halo inspires? Yes, no, maybe I'll just throw a throat in their throw a couple of gamers, and they're just to catch all of everyone who likes the idea, red vs blue totally racist. It's fine. We're blue versus gray. I guess our modern civil wars red versus blue, but we don't need to talk about that. Well, let's talk about another division that might have occurred on our screens this week with survivor David versus Goliath Antonio through to episodes of Dave versus glide how you feeling about the season so far are really like the way the story is being presented on the BNB last year famously catching talking about how all of the edit base talk in all of the group. Think around that and people highlighting specific confessionals was driving me crazy listening, so I just took myself away. I dropped out and stopped listening to cast that we're talking about things like that or spoiling perhaps things down the line. I feel like maybe the survivor or the producers of survivor have have heard. Some of those cries not mine. I would never presume that my my opinion had any importer influence on that. But I think in general, the edit of this show in the stories of the characters. I thinking back to the first episode feel like we got something from every single character even if it was just a little bit, and I know a little bit about each person that's. Out there. And that's certainly different from seasons past, and I feel very good about where we are with that. In this in this season, the tribe divides pretty rough. The David drive is a hot mess for sure. Doesn't doesn't seem to be like there's a swap gone the horizon so and they're going to maybe Meyer in that for a while. But I think they're going to build some strong bonds as they continue if they continue to go to travel council. So I'm excited for this season and I'm definitely enjoying some of the characters and I'm looking forward to talking about a more today. Well, first of all, don't this your opinion. The NSA is always listening and forwarding your opinions to survivor production. I can imagine the NSA being one of those like old school telephone operators with the big board with a bunch of snakes, like, all right, that's about survive this call to to Mike Burnett. Death producing. That's how it works. And of course there with that accent wearing a newsboy cap for some reason, the telephone operator voice, Mike, thank you very. Who's on the party line. This is good. Give me Parkway six, five hundred. Please Liana I know that we sunk praises about the premiere last week. It's always hard to sort of follow that up. Second episodes tend to not necessarily be the best draws, maybe set the tone us to the way the rest of the season goes. How did this land for you personally? Well, I think it was nice to start to release e wear the alliances are gonna fall. I mean, obviously, whenever you have tried that has to go to trouble council does alliance is tested and we get to see where people true who they really wanna play with in the sand or otherwise. Although it will be nice eventually to see if goliaths ever go to tribal council. Although I doubt they will. I so you know, it'd be nice to see their divisions, but in terms of the David's tribe, definitely it was nice to see to see more of everybody. I mean, again, I think I kinda cosign what Antonio is saying of the David's really being put through a lot and billing for strong bonds. Oh, it's gonna be interesting. You know, they might be the ones that survive when we get to the merge and the Glaive starts eat each other up. Yeah, I'm gonna make a bold prediction here. I think five, six weeks from now, we are going to take a look at the game and say, the Goliath in this moment should've thrown a challenge to get Natalie out. That's that's just the feeling I have not to spoil survivor South Africa, but that's something very similar mentality that Shannon gates tonight sort of imported that obviously played out in the end game and I'll keep it vague like that. But I don't know if a -sarily with indie glides mentality to throw the challenge. I know to your point, I try not to read the edit too much, but I remember when I was sitting there and there was a nice little statler and Waldorf and other muppet I guess, triage myself, Josh, and Steven sitting together during the note which was fun. But I just felt like we were getting from this episode all the like all the Natalie stuff made me feel like, okay, there's there's not enough intrigue, or you know, other options being provided here to make me feel like life. It's going to tribal council and ended up being true and I. But I will say the second half of the episode which features the entire David tribe flipping on itself, I thought was extremely well done. Even though rob does make a point on the cast podcast that we didn't hear too much from like your Davies and your bees, and your Jessica's and your corals in terms of the strategy as to why they're gonna vote for Lisa, we really did see every step of a counter movement coming together, which was really cool. We got to see that Elizabeth and and Lisa alliance really almost immediately bear fruit. We saw the alliance that was made earlier on the episode last episode with Christians. You know, various one on one pairings start to bear fruit as well. So I'm starting to really enjoy how you know the things that have been brought up an episode. One really segue into episode too, because that doesn't sometimes happen on survivor the Nick and Elizabeth one to the quote unquote thoroughbreds that seemed maybe that was important as well. Even though we didn't necessarily see the evidence of that or the direct evidence of it up to, we saw the Pru. From the pudding with vote. So yeah, people Nichols out there making alliances with everybody, but the two that we really see him talking to directly are two of the main people that are involved in this flip. So that's great. And maybe we didn't see the Lisa stuff because Mike, I think you're forgetting jested. People just don't wanna talk about it like, won't talk about it. This is it. People have made their minds up. They don't really wanna talk game. That's that. Maybe just go play in the sand. Gabby just do that. All my gosh, that that conversation on the log or wherever be Gabby and just over all sitting was so uncomfortable. Like I totally get work. Abbey was coming from. They were targeting me and I wasn't even playing. I was like, why are they being so eighty? They talk about the vote, God, they're targeting me. So it was so poorly handled terrible. We've seen early game survivor meltdowns if you will. The first time somebody really has to face a tribal council and they're worried it's going to be them because they don't feel in the loop. I think this in this case, Gabby had every reason to be worried that it was her because yeah, you're Riley out of that conversation was so brutal really inform the way she like counter interactions. The rest of the episode like that prompted, I think, are very panicked discussion with Christian of like, okay, are you gonna play with me? You're not gonna play with jets, right? And then there's this one, but when Elizabeth goes to her with the plan and Gabby goes, oh, no, it's me right. That's what you're telling me right now. Essentially, Elizabeth was trying to like build her up before completely breaking her down south. I was a little intrigued, see, hyper paranoid Gabby, you know, she, she advertise herself as a Kleenex commercial to Josh, and I won out and we have seen. A bit of that emotional fruit over the past couple of episodes. But it was interesting to see that other side of, here's hoping that you know now that she is past the first vote, she's able to calm down a bit. Even though you know she, she was able to to make the flip, and that might put her a bit more front and center than maybe she wants to be. And also heavily on them while I was just thinking psychologically. I mean, that's still the sort of the first one out you know for because Pat really was developed, and so in terms of who is voted out, I. So there's sort of the exile that goes along with, I guess, sticking second one out. I think I voted out Nick. I think talked about that at some point or somebody did like this is the time Christian. Maybe this is the time where you really get it's Christian. You really get to test these alliances like you really see where the people have been talking a lot the last few days, but now you're going to see where the line's lie. And so there is that bit of anxiety for everyone, I think. But I, I do wonder if b and ingested handled that better with Gabby. If this vote result would have been the same way or would Gabby have just been pulled in by the move that was already in motion with Elizabeth and Lisa and deciding just realizing in the middle of the conversation, maybe we should vote just out. Would that momentum's have carry. He'd Gabby into that alliance anyway. Was this already in motion or was it the bad handling by and just that really led to this and it's hard? I think the episode presents it as though it is the bad handling that that is part of the reason why Gaby gets in that position. But I feel like that move was already in motion if she's truly aligned with Christian, and if they wanted to move to work and they approach Christian about it, I'm not sure it wouldn't have happened anyway, but it seemed like they're poor handling was a huge reason why this happened. And I guess I guess this is what David Bloomberg and Justice. I will leave that to the site now. I mean, I do agree, and you know, from my exit interview with Jessica, she alluded to the fact that apparently Gabby and be aware very tight. So I do wonder to your point Antonio, I do think a lot of credit should be given to the fact that this conversation was completely bungled and stoke the fires of her paranoia. But if this didn't happen, I feel like she would have been a very interesting position and maybe. She would have been presented as the swing rather than Christian and Nick in the episode because she would essentially be torn between her lines with Christian and her lines with be which you never wanna make those tough decisions early on, but it just shows how this David tribe is a full of very active players. I do not attribute any other additives in terms of good or back that thing that we have yet to really see. But I think this is really what happens when you pass people who are actively excited to play the game, it might not be the most optimal style of gameplay, but dammit makes exciting television. It's a hot mess. It's a hot mess. Tribe the is a bit of a hot mess to me. I, I understand where we're going with Fiji, and we have to keep continuing to come up with these creative things. And I've talked about themes in the past on podcast, and I've never been super pro theme really, but it's never bothered me as much as this one has. You've got Elizabeth talking about what David's are like as though she's ever contemplated that in her life, like five minutes into the game. So it bothers me also, I'm this is going to just make me look like the biggest loser in the world. I don't like polarizing the Goliath have a huge advantage. I can just say Goliath has a huge advantage. It's bothers me that we referred to every one of these people as goliaths in that there was only one Goliath and only one David. So why can't we just call it in the Goliath, tribe and the David tribe and be done with it, like goliaths are getting out into the water, just say Goliath get is getting out into the water. It just bothers me getting triggered every time. I hear one of the tribe names is my problem. This is my problem. I would have breezy, Dave. David is out in the water. Any having trouble even though it is Bler allies with just picturing all the David writes, whole tribe of David rights is still the only thing I picture. So I think that would really help. Nicely also be a bit of a problem considering that there is someone in the game named Davey. I know he doesn't want to go by David, but it could be a very, who's on first moan of Jeff saying David Davies like no, Jeff back here with the puzzle. You for God like your come on, Jeff, wipe your eyes off. This is bad, but you glasses on. All right, seeing your dimples, Vicky of Jessica. Let's get into our preseason predictions as to how miss Pete would do Liana. What did you and I have to say about Jessica preseason. Okay. So obviously I was inspired by to write this prediction, but her placement that was on me. So I had Jessica in the finale. Yeah. So here's what I wrote. Jessica was economic positively around camp the entire game, which is what helped her around with the weather was less than ideal. She stuck with the dominant alliance was afraid to make it move because she sends how to survive because with survivor family, blessed experience be while this strategy got her to the final three. The jury just didn't respect as game as they underestimated her toothbrush blonde. In her final jury, she claimed I'd grown positive and I believe thinking of my game causes sneezes. Sadly, her speech was all for not and Jessica. Got zero votes in the final three. Also, this doesn't make any sense now, but I promise it will later her closest ally was Dan and her worse. Enemy was also day on. Wow. I a, you literally took us to church there between be blessed and also saying, bless you in response to her saying that thinking about your game will make you sneeze. Mike, that was a BB. I think I don't think that would be. BNB by the way is like every changed the spelling this year. Well, the well, we know we consulted with like, how would you change the name? And she's like, I mean, a lot of companies are doing different things. I can't really tell you anything right now. And so we, we just sort of went off on our own. We didn't have the proper technique. So yeah, technician about such a big issue, give a big pep talk about, like guys doesn't matter if the other podcasts are bigger than you. You know, like where I come from, even though we divide specifically by the size that we are, doesn't matter what size you are. So poor, toothbrush, blonde, and fortunately did not make Manelli by my own whims. I went with Jessica going pre-euro. I said the parents on her tribal look to her as a temporary adopted daughter. I did say she would get swap screwed, which was ironically enough after she said, she loves twists and I said, she'll post the most photos from the pre jury trip on social media which has to be seen. I said her closest ally would be Gabby and her worst enemy would be Lisa. Unfortunately, no, Dan involvement there and Tony. Oh, we put things in your court here. Who do you think had the more accurate? Jessica prediction? I don't know, man on one side, you've got a toothbrush blonde. So this is really tough to match, but come on my like, this is I, I really am. Sorry. Liana that did not take it this week, but Mike, you like the Dawda like that's there. I feel like that was in there. Like she reminds me of my daughter. I feel like that was in the episode. The Lear stuff is in the episode. The pre Jerry stuff is in the episode. I gotta go with Mike on this one. I'm sorry. No, that's totally fair. Although this prediction game causes sneezes. Yeah, you might be allergic to your predictions now by the end of this? Yes. So, and I did actually at the chance to speak with Jessica on my exit interview as well. And to your point, Leon about her sunny disposition being able to tide over even the worst weather. It sounds like that was something she was actually intending to do before the bad weather hit where she said that like just chains completely personal personality wise because of that understandably so. But I think you were on the right track for the first twelve hours of the game before it started raining. She looked miserable. She and I know you know, they were doing the sharing the stories on the David tribe, but still like she's crying. It's cold. It's wet. Clearly, this is wrong, but kink wrath, Mike, I'm proud of you. I have. I'm just waiting much Goliath to like eventually fall to some sort of. I don't know. I don't know what my slingshots going to be from Liana slash sky net, but I'm just waiting before a fall. Yeah, I gotta go, I gotta go find neck and get that slingshot that he hopefully found you're gonna find you gotta find Christian and turn that into a death robot that will take out at some point. There we go Foshan dynamics. There's no playing games without inherent risk involved produce exhilaration. So bring it on my God. Doesn't look as well when you do it. Mike tilt, my head like forty five degrees and placidly lookout. As I'm talking talking ending, you make like the perfect Christian conversation. Is that Christian? Are we talking about religion? Now, this is the names are also very confusing. We have blessed be. We have Christian conversation. This is David tribe. Like I'm off the rails right now. Let's put. We'll put you back on the rails here Antonio as per usual. We each bring a question for discussion here on the week after week. What did you bring for us to to Molo whether it be about this episode of survivor proper. I want to talk about this season because the first episode Jeff's big soliloquy at the beginning of the season when he's gonna Huila and Tonio Shaquille this show shaqueal that Jeff delivers at the beginning of the season when he's convincing all these players that they've into some archetype that they've never thought about for their whole lives, and then they're gonna talk about it for the next fifteen, twenty minutes and confessionals. He goes into this detailed thing about how the person who wins, it's going to be the person who seizes finally advantage. It's not about what the advantages about. We're gonna finding the advantage in using it and the person who does that best. Will will capitalize. And then we have is pretty well constructed challenge from the off that that emphasize that underlying issue between David and Goliath, where David was stronger and Goliath was our Goliath was stronger. David had to be Wiley and uses slingshot or whatever be be smarter. And there was that great element of that. And then I'm just feeling like kind of dropped the ball on that in this episode, there was the one moment where I think that if David gets through the thing I and they chop though the the rope than Goliath, if glide gets through I, they chop the rope and David has to untie the knot at some point that comes up. But I'm just wondering, did they drop the ball on this? Is there a way they could have altered some of the elements of this episode, especially the challenge which I think ultimately we saw them level out at the puzzle, and then it seemed like David just gave up on the puzzle some wondering if there are ways to to play. I don't think the theme has come into this season as much as I expected other than one try. Seemingly being stronger than the other. And I'm wondering if there are ways that you guys think that they could have brought the theme into this episode more from a game design standpoint and looking for going forward from game design standpoint, that would underscore this theme a little bit more. Why would say that? I think that we've seen this choice come up to your point in a lot of first challenges. I think back to millennials versus gen-x when gen-x, although shortcuts in exchange for having, I think more pieces of the puzzle to do at the end of the day, it is interesting that they bring this element of choice into like the opening challenges you mentioned before, how even the immunity challenge had. Okay, I threw had to do one thing and then the second trip through had to do something a bit harder, but it so interesting how, yeah, those don't don't really get brought up. You could say, maybe like an individual Porsche, we have the eat or play that could involve a bit more strategy. I don't know if you're Hoffer, just wants to put forward more straightforward things out of the gate that don't require much higher level thinking as malnutrition begins. But I think you make a good point that this always seems to occur an introductory phases, but it's not something that necessarily gets brought up, especially in. In other pre merged challenges. I mean, ghost island coming off, goes dial, and I don't mean to jump on. Yuliana coming off goes Thailand where that became like that was the theme that was was present throughout the season, and we had all these ghosts and we had all these elements. So just feel like this, the only elements of the theme this season that are carrying through the episodes, and maybe that's why down on our that one tribe is stronger than the other. And that's it. There's no element of what David can do to get back that seems to be presenting itself in the game with regard to strategy or any elements in the challenges are things like that. Yeah. So I'm just trying to think. I mean, if you all down, sort of what I don't know, maybe we'll our interpretation of EMAS because although I originally thought it dear parents love you, but in terms of games, see, I don't know how that baby like your like David parents are cheering from the sidelines or as the glides. Don't get survivor. Daddy issues coming CBS. This. That's after the civil war themes us so so yeah, to your to your point Antonio about like, okay, so, okay, the David, let's say they have less physical strength. Okay, that's that's that's inherent to the teams, but then they get tools that sort of help them. So you know, how is it that you design the challenges that sort of help the lack of physicality of the David tribe in terms of tools. So you know, I don't know. I'm thinking for this past this challenge. Okay. Maybe the, they don't have to hold the things that the pal the puzzle was balanced on or something, or you know, one gets to stay in place or to get to stay in place to fix them or something, and that sort of there. Instead of five or something. Yeah, right. That's really, I think that's valid. What about it's just what? If they, I mean, maybe they should be getting to pick who sits out from the Goliath tribe like maybe there should be almost like that as well. Like I, I just feel like Jeff, Jeff had that big shaqueal as my put it at the beginning of the season about it's about identifying the advantage and finding the advantage and using the advantage. And that's what's going to get you ahead of the game. But then the challenge comes in, no advantage was presented or no opportunity to work. An advantage was presented. I just feel like if we're going to be in Fiji, we're going to have these teams every season, then they should embrace the theme and they should put more work into designing elements within these challenges that speak to that. And that level the playing field to a certain extent that said, even though David just got housed on the physical portion of this challenge, it seemed like they blew it by not doing the puzzle, well, which is would think you would have thought if we're leveling it out that they would have had a shot and should have been able to do that puzzle in an hour. So I'd. I don't know. I watching the the episode that either of you get the idea or the sense that the reason the puzzle didn't get done in an hour because it was because people kept dropping it. When you look when you look at David's puzzle at the end, there's two pieces together and they're not even like they're not even right. So I don't think it's because they kept dropping it. I don't know what the hell happened there. Well, I mean, my assumption was because they kept dropping it and that's where people were saying, oh, it's David should be at the puzzle, but in my mind, it was all about having to balance five different platforms at the same time and able to keep them essentially when you start putting the pieces, keeping them balanced is most important at the beginning. Because once you sort of have the whole thing built, it's a little easier for one to sort of fall because the puzzle will hold itself up. So like when you see the Goliath, actually stepping backwards Karas is actually her platform is like dipping down, but the puzzle stays together because the two people on the other side, they're sort of holding it. And I think that the David really couldn't get. Over that hump of like getting those all those first pieces together. But yeah, it did seem like there are pieces are out of place, so maybe there's something else going on, but my initial assumption was all had to do with the physicality of having to hold up those balancing platforms. I would compare it to that team building exercise where you're all going, you're you and a group of people are supposed to count to twenty together, but only one person can say number at a time where to on his point, like everyone is going to jump in on those first couple number that you're almost always going to start over. But once you get further along and you sort of build a rhythm, that's when the team were kicks in and everyone has a six cents as to who's going to save what so, yeah, I think it was just a matter of like the goliaths were able to get on the same page. I think the conditions also didn't help. It's a little crazy that I went from blistering cold wetness to dry heat in the course of like twenty four hours and it seems like everyone was. I don't think we're. I don't think we were getting like. Caleb Reynolds salt and pepper memorial award levels of passing out, but it seemed like the conditions might have impeded everyone's performance as well. If you look in the background, one of the shots while David is doing the puzzle, you can see down on the beach that Elizabeth has her giant cowboy hat off, and she's fanning someone who caught the vapors. I don't know it is, but I would love to know who has suffered the heat issues there and Elizabeth is tending to. I can't really see who it is, but I'd love to know who that was. So I think the bottom line and Tonio essentially what you're suggesting is perhaps some sort of I dunno, medallion of how no. It. No, that can't be David. Just always has it. I just that's really funny and it couldn't be a slingshot either because invariably Christian would fire the sling shot at the wrong team or something like that. Not to throw shaded anyone specific. But yeah, you can't really have a slingshot, so medallion of power. God. No can't be. We can't do that. Okay. Got you. Connected to Mr. Bonetti says, great idea will bring it in episode three. Mike whites out there like no. Saved us from redemption island, maybe medallion of power revote you're going somewhere else with his last name, and I did not want to make that joke. So I'm glad you were making a different, Joe. I wonder if I wonder if he does have poll where just says, dropped her buffs. Mike goes no hold on. You could Jeff's like, you know what? You're right. Okay. Let's let's next this slob let's get to your next challenge. Jeff. Just texted our mutual, Fred. Did she says no. I just I, I feel like we're gonna. We're in the cycle. We're in the cycle now and that's fine. I think a lot of people have been turned off by the themes that emerged because you're in the same location every season. I thought ghost island did a creative job of working with the seam and putting the people in ghost island. I think they can improve on what they do ghost island. But I think in general, I was I was I was pleased with the idea of ghost island and it didn't always work, but I think it was a good groundwork for theme that played into the course of the season. This one is pretty trash in my opinion, and I feel like it's just a, it's just a repeat. You make the joke about the medallion of power, but we've seen seasons before where where people have an extreme advantage or where people are in in control. And I just wish that the David versus Goliath and the idea that David could be creative or Wiley or that there were some element of, I think they did a well at the first challenge. I think they dropped the ball on this. Challenge, I think Liana makes great point about, maybe you do something where you can acquire something that makes you ropes easier to control or something to that effect. Maybe you're, you can do something early in the challenge, make choice that gets you a smaller puzzle to solve the puzzle to get another. There are just elements. They could've worked into this challenge. It seemed like a straightforward physical puzzle with a challenge at the end, not one. I thought that highlighted the ability of David's to be different than Goliath. So here we are. I have, well, we watched the David not dropped the ball as they dropped their puzzle pieces. Let's move on here to our first game of the podcast, and this is something that I have lent from rob session. You know, this is a game he brought up last year. I believe when previous guests Rourke was on the podcast CBS all access gotta love the platform. Gotta love all the stuff they put out there. They're caption. Game might have been written by David as compared to a Goliath. And that sometimes they mismanage or miss here words, and we see them delightfully on our screen as they watch the episodes. Here's how this game is going to work. We're going to go back and forth for each of you. I'm going to read to possible misspelled captions from a sentence that occurred in the past two episodes David versus Goliath. One of them actually appeared on CBS l. access one of them I made up, it's going to be your job to figure out which is the fake caption and which is the real caption Liana how you thinking your chances are before we go into this man, I dunno CVS all access closed captioning. Like a bunch of David's which is I think now my favorite phrase to us, so watch me overusing run it into the ground. But I am excited and I have no idea of the go, but let's play. Until you're someone who totally loves to to rewatch episodes of television order to break down. Have you ever watched survivor with the close captioning on? I have in some cases to to hear what what things were said or, but that doesn't always that doesn't always work because you're right. The captions are failing. That said, I on those robots better than I do and knows these. These automated machines, Leon, his AI friendship here may serve her. Well, we'll see. I'm excited for the blessed experience be causes sneezes, close captioning. Absolutely. So we'll see who ends up smiling like a toothbrush blonde. By the end of this. All right. Let's start with you. So again, I'm going to give you two possible captions. One of them is true. One of them is false, almost pretty. Elementary one here. So this is from Jeff's previously on survivor episode to, obviously the sentence is supposed to be at the live tribe, Dan fell for CARA, but the all access, Steve mismangament, Dan's name. So you're have to guess which one of them is the correct captain here, hey, at the Goliath, tribe ban fell for CARA or at the Goliath tribe, grand fell for CARA. Oh boy. I think there are interesting connections in both possibilities here. I don't want to really delve too deeply into them. Blessed I reveal some issues about my own psyche. Let's just say. I'm gonna go with band. I'm gonna go with band because we have a b on the season. I think maybe these people just don't understand like that. Not everyone has an aim like be and maybe somebody's name is just dance. I'm going with ban that is correct. Correct. I really wish it was grand. And Mamie also think about the fact that if you had a grandmother saying the things that Dan says on survivor, it becomes a bit more palatable. Oh, I don't know about that. Grandma's like finding with the two hottest girls on the island I found I don't with the two most beautiful woman on the island. Doesn't that sound nicer that it coming out of a father to. Know, does it. Miami, I retire at the retired phone. Operator operator retire that she's a grandma back in the day Eisenhower. He was a looker much like CARA. Off the rails. I'm honestly grand play time. All right, let's let's go to Liana here. So this is going back to Knicks confessional about his relationship with Christian comparing themselves to another survivor pairing, and it was really fun to watch Stephen fish back in person at jump up and throw his arms than the expectation when his name got mentioned specifically the part that he was a genius, but here the two possible captions, hey, we were like JT and she had or be we're like j. p. and Stephen. Oh, man, it's probably JP and Stephen. But I just really wanted to be she and yeah. Okay. I'm going go, she I don't care. Yeah, I the more funny answer, but unfortunately. Sad, although I like this concept of being sort of a closed captioning. Rohrschack test Rourke to your psyche. Right. It's a rohrschack test. Like this idea of JT closest ally being chicken Oshii Han. Or it's like a combination of she and Stephen with a chicken matching some sort of mash up there. But it also provides a nice image of Stephen working with JP hills, aback, which I don't know how crazy this even would have been driven by JP's mannerism and things like that. He's just so good. To call my grand funny, really funny. That's my favorite. It'll be hard to top that one really until you are up one zero, Mike white white a bit into his resume. In the first episode, this is Mike white going over his resume, hey, I wrote stool of raw and Nacho LeBron or b. I wrote school of rock and Nacho leak Ray. Stool or leak Ray trouble either way stool of a raw like this sun God or not show leak Ray like some sort of cheese powered death device with stool, boom, from the powder to the pool room. Mike, let's just go with stools. Unfortunately, you are not coming up like Blaine. It is not show league Ray, the correct caption on really. Notch only actually the affirmation Rourke Senate couple of these to me after our podcast last week and yes, Mike, right. Talked about how much he loved writing nut show. Leak Ray if you have not your leak, right. You should see a doctor, I think, or not show nitro lira as Dave wrote on his vote for. Shout out to Keith Dixon for the tweet that that voted out fibromyalgia really hard at that tweet. You're David, you have five mile GIC. You need Lyrica. All right, Leon, let's go back to you here. Natalie is done with the booger teeth of Goliath tribe. Great way to start. By the way, Natalie like Boogers Alison did not say Boogers in my teeth. Natalya said, do I Booker my nose? And do I have something in my teeth connect the two tally facial system is not that I'd. But initially, Natalie said everything here is childish in high school like so, no, I'm not doing that here. The two options that all access provided a everything here is childish and Holly like so, no, I'm not doing that or be everything here is childish and Christ tool. Like I'm not doing that Moore's tools. Okay. Well, I guess I'll try to try to follow the last question. I'll go with a void. The stools. Much like a share me getting washed away by the waves of waiting. The stools is nice childish and Holly like is the correct answer. So you had to fake stool answers. What is going on? This is the test. I mean, I had to do tool fake stool answers. It's only at right drink. I used to ride and councils corners than like one's real ones not. But. Nice. Try. Has chosen any other word than stool, though. Like, okay, whatever this is fine. Everything's fine. I do like Holly like, 'cause I don't know how you got that from high school, but it feels like Holly like maybe people have against girl named Holly Holly Hoffman, maybe. I don't know. You should get your Nacho leak rate shack, Mike. I will Dr Alison. Please help me. There's Boogers Dr. Life is the one who would check that actually God. No, I don't wanna be washed over by knock knock jokes, like Dr Alison tidal wave. All right. Let's let's go to number five here. Going back to you over tied up one one. Someone Davey is searching for the idol. He mentioned he pulls a and says, you know, my my, I always for being the premises ninja style here you're to possible captions Odier, hey, my rise are always surviving. The premise says, ninja style. So p. r. e. m. e. s. space SEZ is how they did premises be. My guys are always serving Perm ISIS, ninja style. Oh my God. This is worse than my predictions. No stool options. Mike. No. My stool is always stooling the stool stool ninja stool in somebody make that into a drop. I'm going to go with. Is it possible that ISIS made it into CBS all access like this is bad. I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna void ISIS at all costs. That is a good motion of action. That is correct. Yes. The my are always saying the premise says was real and my guys are always surveying the Perm ISIS is incorrect. It sounds like something President Bush said at some point. I don't know. You lost about halfway through. I was like, I, I mean, technically, I think I know the words that you are saying, but not in the particular order in which they are assembled. All right. Let's go to you here. You have to get this right to tide. Otherwise, in tuna wins episode one brought up the broad calls this the idol gap last episode between Angelina and I think Alison, we're talking. The actual was not enough woman find idols, but your your differentiation is not enough woman, find dribbles or not enough women find angles. Okay. So Judy is more math is what we're going with. Yes, the the always the biggest discrepancy is this our society for Judaism that should be a new game on the BNB by the way, just bidding for future BNB episodes Judaism or math. Now cosign is that a Hebrew word function. Okay. Let's see. I. All right. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with math. I'm gonna go with angle. Understand belief early on, and that is correct. Not enough women find angles, which I think is pretty applicable to the game of survivor to support women in stem. All right. So you are tied and I don't have a tiebreaker. So I think the true winner is CVS all access per for providing these fantastic options that have made this game. Truly you have given us a stool to stand on for the best. True winner. Our the listeners are the NB who just got a stem joke. That's fantastic. The highest level of humor here between playing. Really, we're finding angles. Snag. Well. Take it back to the episode. I guess not the closed captioning of the episode. I was actually super curious about how how is it as a survivor player, how you approach being told you're getting voted out because you're the weakest. Now we saw leaguer Sesay. Oh, I'm not the weakest sort of fight against that moniker. And then Natalie, although she kind of took it a different way of being the biggest threat. I guess she was selling herself as I am the weakest, and you can take me and dragged me to the end. So I was just trying to think of if you're being voted out because you're the weakest, like, how are you supposed to convince your tribe otherwise, or like, how do you go about? How do you sell yourself? How do you stay when that's the reason why they're putting you out. I've seen in the past, you just read just race somebody down the beach. Right? Isn't that how. They can run backwards or forward, but you have to raise them in show that you're strong. Good question. I debate never came up because rob, I thought, did a great job mentioning this know it alls. Like, I guess this is your curiosity. We can call this beacuse. The fact is that the the was saying, I'm basing it on challenge performance and be blue. The challenge. Like really, you're gonna basis on challenge performance on all? No, but I do think that if you put that on blast that would've given, I think Lisa doesn't feel like she's gotta move right if she feels like I've got no allies. I'm being called the weakest. Then the goal is really to put that on display in the middle of the tribe and say, you say, I'm the weakest. Here's the evidence from the first suit challenges that show. I'm not the weakest. I did the first challenge. I was the first one across the rope ladder. I could have fallen in the water. Then we would a lost. I didn't. You saw me like almost vertical or horizontal just flying through that morning. Earning considering Chievo an exactly upright. Yeah, either way. Right. I think you put that on blast and you just say, here's the evidence that shows I'm not the weakest, and if you're targeting someone else as being weaker than you than, I think you can put that on display as well. I mean, you have to go to war on that front. I don't know that you can do anything else if you're cornered like that. I think the solution is to show your strength another way, which is what Lear did. She showed that if they were challenging her weakness in the physical game, maybe they have a valid point. Look like she gave up on the puzzle, but her weakness, her strengthen the social game. It was a huge advantage to her here because it helped her rally votes to help her change what the perception was about who is stronger or weaker needed to go home. And I think that she showed her strengthen different way and that's what maybe David, maybe that's what she needed to do. She slingshot away through that vote. So I think there are multiple ways to do it depending on what your situation is. She had options because she had a good ally. And because she had people that were willing to make. Move. Other players might not find himself in the same situation might have to behave differently. I am interested in the the Natalie strategy though, because Natalie's like, look, you're gonna vote the fifty seven year damn near sixty years old. You're gonna vote me out like you're gonna. Why don't you just drag me to the end. My response to that is like, why do you want to stay in the game? If you don't think you can win if you're out here selling that you're definitely going to lose the game anyway. Then why do you wanna stick around like what are you sticking around for? You? Don't think you can win. I don't. I find that her pitch was a lot there wasn't there wasn't I think that was an empty pitch. I think she wants to stay in the game because she knows she's not the weakest, and she thinks she can win. So I think her pitch that she should be kept in the game because she can't win is pretty weak to me. And I don't see that as a reason to keep her around in any in any way. I don't think selling yourself as a go works for me because I think that if she considering her position in her tribe and considering that she's older, she's not fitting with everyone else. The deeper, she makes it into the. Game, the more dangerous she's going to be. I think that's a really poor cell on her part to sell herself as week that is. It just doesn't speak to anything that she's experienced in her life in any of her skills that put her on the Goliath tribe. So I did. I didn't buy her pitch at all the economic stand, what you're saying in terms of, you know, really coming forward providing point-by-point evidence as to the challenges, but could there also be a case of like the lady protest too much of, you know, sometimes if you raise too much of a stink, you draw the target even further on yourself and maybe almost turned around and you and saying like, oh, she can actually, you know, she can defend herself pretty well. Maybe that's another reason to get rid of for. I mean, it's a really tough situation because it all depends on the people that you're around. Did you make some sort of like loaner deal? Could you say like, hey, if you keep me an eye Beth, put me on the puzzle the next challenge, and if I screw it up for everyone vote me out. Do you think making as bowl of acclaim as that could actually. Lead to you getting kept over some other random person. What kind of bargain is that Liana like? Is that some kind of like is there some that speaks to like the idea that you might be able to just make deal down the road for for what's happening now, but I don't know that I'm not sure we've ever seen something like that. I don't. I don't think so. I mean, certainly something that's that's so concrete Mike, you know, I mean, it's like, okay, if I don't do if I don't win this puzzle or you know, do this puzzle while enough to win the challenge, then you can vote me out. I'm trying to think of any example that we've seen before. I think I think maybe what I thought of Mike, when you said lone wolf deal is, you know, sort of Lear SaaS at worth. I can be a tool for you. So if Natalie is on the outs and Jeremy tried to pull her in, you know, John heading it and tried to pull her in. And obviously she was resistant to that, but I think maybe that's where you sort of you gain your social. Foothold is through these one on one side deals with people where it's like, look, keep me. I'll work with you. I don't know if maybe that's the right approach, but obviously that requires some self awareness, which it's up for debate whether Natalie has or does not have. I don't know what you're talking about. I, I am very self aware. You're not software. Everyone says, no one says that wait what? Yeah, this is. This is very difficult for her. That said, I, I'm definitely team Natalie, like I'm one hundred percent team, Natalie. It wasn't a good look for her, but I'm with you Mike, like the fact that it wasn't a good look for her and they didn't go to tribal council, makes me feel like there might be shot for her going forward because we're getting a lot of. We're getting a lot of evidence of the problem she's having, but we're also getting evidence. And I think Dom about pointed this out. We're getting evidence of things that she's doing. She's taking Mike aside and saying, hey, people are targeting you like, you're, you're standing out. She pulls car side and says, hey, like the showman's thing, people aren't like in that John Hennigan wants to work with her. So I think she's got options and I don't think our best sell is I'm weak. I'm terrible. I'll never win this game. You wanna take me along. I just it's an interesting situation though because. In some some respects that plays to the egos of the David tribe and saying, you're all bulls, you're all strong. You're all you're all great competitors. Don't you want somebody like me around who isn't like that and who's clearly outlier and who's different. You can use me. That's the tool strategy, but I just, I think their different people like I, I'm not sure that Natalie is being targeted because she's perceived as the weakest. I think she's being targeted because she's being perceived as an outsider as somebody who wasn't working on the shelter. I think she's also being targeted just because because Natalia's is being portrayed a little bit as a mean girl who just doesn't like her who's ranting about her saying she seems like a stalker. Like just saying negative things about the way she makes her feel that doesn't have to do with week so much as just, it seems like that Natalie thinks earn Atallah thinks that she is running the tribe and therefore she's going to target this person who's perceived as an outsider, that that seems to be more to why she's being targeted. So is being targeted because she was the weakest like that was the stated reason. And I think our way of proving that she wasn't was the best way she could have done it, which is proof. She has strengthened other ways, and that's what she says at tribal council. Alternately, it makes Jess look really bad when steps up and says, maybe you shouldn't start playing when you get to tribal and it's like little, do you know that I showed my strength in the day before tribal when I was working to get you voted out. So I think that's the best tragedy for Lisa. But if you're on the outs and you have nobody and you have no social out the show your strength in that way. I do think that's when you have nothing to lose your already the target and you're already gonna. Go home. Who cares? If you put a bigger target on your back at that point. So it's all about what your best alternative is. And I think for Lear says she had a better alternative. She used it worked out really well for her. We heard her say in the episode I wanna get Carl out like I want to vote him out, but she didn't target him. She targeted somebody that she could work to get out and that worked out really well for her. So I think she did a pretty good job and I think. She didn't have to resort to the strategy where she put it all on blast because she had other options. But if you don't have other options, I think that's where you maybe have to resort to just like blowing it up and seeing what happens. So you can either say use me like a tool or I'm a tool. Keep me around. Or I'm a stool. Keep me around. Stand, stand up on me. They'll elevate you further in the game, the stool tool strategy next level evolution of the game. Survivor fifty stool versus to you. You're the stools, people step on you and get your tool. People use you. Listen, you're all you're pretty washed up people point, but we're gonna try to help you while here. As well as long as it goes after rock paper scissors season, then I think we'll be okay. Well, speaking of putting things on blast I wanna get to our next segment because this was a very bizarre idea that I had, but I want to do it anyway. So this was inspired by the quote that Jeremy had during the episode where he said, I don't know what's worse the storm or Natalie. So in Tribune be fashion. I was like, well, obviously we have to play the storm versus Natalie where we have hurricanes typhoons compete against survivor contestants, but that didn't work. Because how do you compare gale force winds to like throwing rice in the fire? So instead what prepared today is what we are calling some version of survivor mania survivor royale. It is essentially going to be a tag team bracket to determine what team of survivor k players would cause the most chaos at camp. So what I've done is I paired of. Different survivor players, and we will have a bracket very quick bracket to talk about which payers would cause more chaos at camp. The criteria is I suppose it's up to us. We can define it, however, we want. But yeah, this is the grand idea that I came up with. Oh my gosh. So, and in my mind, it's a wrestling match. So they're wrestling each other. It's like tag team wrestling, but I don't think they're criteria. They're actually fighting anyway. Solicit get into this. Yeah, we, we pick the perfect guest, though. Tony, you're so you're such a big wrestling devotee that I feel like you're going to be like the defacto. You're going to be the Goliath on this game as to how things are going to go. Vince McMahon. This particular game? Yeah, I'll be alright. I'm guessing we need your help with this nebulous bizarre idea that I had. So. All right. So here this is the teams that we have our first matchup. I'm very nervous. I just want to say, I'm very nervous about this. See how this goes. Okay. So I have four total teams, so we'll have. It's going to be two teams face off, teams face off, and then the winners face off and then they're gonna fight. I don't know. The says, I just couldn't put the hands in there as a team. They're just to chaotic so so the Hansen's were coming up with the hands is already have the Bill? Yes. Are the grin or champions of the world, but you know, Brandon, he got into trouble online, and so he was forced to give up the belt and now there's a new out to determine who will take the Bill. Exactly. So all right. So these are our this is our first matchup. So we have the tag team of Natalie from David's versus Goliath, and Debbie versus Scot Pollard and Kyle, Jason. So the Natalie Debbie team, I, they're called team, SAS, aka team, self-aware, sisters. Scott and Jason are the great balls of bounty. Lousy idea. These names for you for me, just the Roma been captions. It'll be fine. So that is the first matchup. And then just to give you idea where we're going, our next teams, it's gonna be Abby, Maria and coach as the Brazilian dragons versus Jatiya and Cass as the bad luck brains. So I let start with Natalie and Debbie versus Scott and Jason. So anyone have any thoughts to start with. Well, my first thought is I'm not nervous anymore. I was really thinking that you were going to pair survivor any famous versus another depressing real quick. No, that's why I was worried Liana come on like I didn't wanna talk about Hurricane Andrew and Debbie. Hurricane Hugo Atalie's. So here we are. I'm glad that this worked out better because I really want to hear anything like that. But this is this is much better. I was really worried like that was a lot of places. I did a lot of third rails in that now uscis that I didn't wanna touch. So this is much better. Can you? Sorry, I don't. Sorry. I don't mean to be sidetrack and you run down the, we have Debbie and Natalie versus versus Kyle pollen and Skopje. I saw Scot Pollard recently at a Indiana Pacers basketball game, and he was a superstar, like people were coming up to them all all game, getting their pictures taken with him. And I thought there are no survivor fans here because he would be getting booed. As far as chaos around camp. Mike, what are you thinking here? I feel like the Debbie Debbie, Debbie is the biggest chaos agent in this whole force them? Yeah. I mean, I think that Debbie would probably be the most full of rage in the course of this. I think that I'm also thinking about like entrances, I think that Debbie will will walk a balance beam into the arena. I think that's something that she believed wants to show up. I don't know what Natalie, what do. I think Natalie would just sort of like sit around and observe her maybe criticize her afterwards. But the thing that Kyle and Scott have above those two, it's quite literally height. Kyle does not need a top rope. They just stand on Scott's shoulders. He's a stool in that regard. So I feel like especially when it comes to, you know, poking grabbing idols away from people and throwing things onto the fire. Neither one of those two women have done that yet, even though apparently didn't Debbie like poop in the middle of camp. So this might be a very odd matchup. I think you're forgetting one thing too about Debbie, which is that she is very professional wrestler, like in both her ring attire with tagger bathing suit, and the idea that she's worked so many gimmicks over the course of her career. She's been like a scientist gimmick and she's been like, honor. Yeah, she's had all these different gimmicks so this she's, she's probably worked in a lot of different territories into Mexico all across the US. She's had a little bit of problems maybe with the thirties. So she has the background of a professional wrestler, I think. And of course, Scott powered as an athlete, you could also point to him and say, he's got the background of a professional wrestler. There are a lot of athlete to become professional wrestlers after they serve their time in their various fields. Hi, the size that doesn't really matter in professional wrestling. You like dantonio. Yeah, it's all about the technique, Mike, it's all about the technique in that sport. So I feel like the powered and Sergey team would be the heels in this. And I think that also matters because you, you're looking at how these Turnham insultingly play out. I feel like Debbie is the is the x. factor here. I feel like Debbie knows the ring. She knows how to work this, and I feel like she's the difference maker. I think that team is the one that I let coast. I'm not also I think Scott and Jason for me are also a little one note in terms of what they might bring, whereas you never know what you're going to get from Debbie. And Natalie, we've only seen a little bit from her like who knows what other levels of chaos she could bring, she's going. She's going to drop the Natalie napalm all over and Scott and Jason trying to try to put out the fire, the buckets of water that Natalie's napalm. 'cause yes, exactly. We don't know what Natalie may. Tom is, and I think that also adding to finishing. Debbie x. factor and I agree. I think they're the ones that win this ballot. Perceive it like a hot tag to naturally, and she just steps over the top rope and she gets in drops a leg on somebody, and that's the end of it. So I'm on this team. This is good. I like Mike Yari with that and you're being your outvoted anyway. So you don't really have a case. I don't know why I I've been sufficiently pinned, so I'm writing. Sit on your school are right? So our next match-up Abby, Maria in code versus Jatiya and casts. Mike diva. This is going to be someone's gonna end up in hospital with this about because you have cast with her newly announced pacemaker. You have Abby, Maria who you could very easily take out at the knees and you have coach who you can just like give swift kick to the back and he'll start spasm ING and hit the floor with the nice goo. Jatiya might be like the throng est among them that being said and cast were able to win at least two or not win, but at least survive. One challenge together as part of the brain tribes provided that Jatiya does not screw anything up. I might have to put the preference on them plus get like an all female final four, which would be a lot of fun. The the fact that you've got the dragon slayer versus the pacemaker. Those are really good wrestling names. That works really well. So that's the first part of it. I think the issue in this matches that coach is probably playing to the crowd too much directed. He's he's vamping along the ring. He's showing off. He's he's in his character, the conductor, like maybe that's what he's bringing to this one and he's not actually coach. He's the conductor and he's like conducting the audience like symphony, and then he gets up on by. Bye. And that's the end of that chaos cast is, is I like the pacemaker Monica. She could also be working. The attorney angle with the brainiac could bring that to the table. She also really would probably be very invested in taking coach down. It just seems like she would be the kind of person to throw a low blow into the mix. Maybe that's what's happening. Coaches, distracting distracted by the crowd, cast lied into the ring, low, blows him below the waist. And that's the end of that. So I like this idea as well. Coach coaches y so far Abby fits into this. What happens is while coaches like pre into the crowd Abby says like, okay, like eft with me, I'm gonna flip over to the other side and it's actually three on one opened up on a coach, and then they easily double team Abby after that seems that seems. Well, I was thinking, Marie is often the crowd trying to find her bracelet like she not even in the ring at all. They could also happen this idea of Gitonga when she comes out. Part of her entrance is like throwing rice into the crowd or something like that. She could be. She could be like the bride she'll throw rice out her wedding dress. I think JT in cows definitely stay focused. Where's Abby? Marie? And coach just a hot mess for like a whole myriad of race. Yeah, they're just some Abby could be the one fighting with the ref and the ref is distracted when when throws the low blow, she could be. I like the three on one, the double that works really well for me. They're just either way that team is going down the throwing rice with the entrance breaks, a bottle of vodka over coaches head is her. Okay. So now we have the true match up Natalie and Debbie versus Jatiya and casts. Who do we think is gonna take home the championship belts from the Hafiz. This is so confusing. So the winner of this team, just the Bill or did they take on the hands is I don't know my dumb ass Hansel lions team or something like that, or maybe who hamsters the Dudley Boyz. There's a lot of them. They just keep coming out of the woodwork. Some of them are small, some of our big like, I don't know. So you could just throw to Hanson in this lineup. I think you could take them on. It could be Sean. It could be Brandon. It could be there just a lot of options with the Hansa. So I, I don't know the matchup hand the the final four, I'm this is tough for me. Any thoughts on this, either of you? Two. I think that Debbie, I know the I, it's going to happen when Debbie attempts to do chin ups on the bar to sort of show off and then cast just sort of like, takes her out right there. She'll still be standing, but I feel like that's going to be the first major hit and I do have an idea of how the hands are going to get involved that we can talk about in a little bit once. Figure out who's the main winner from the sisters of SAS versus the bad luck brains, this self-aware sisters. The dad luck brains. See for creative ideas. I think the thing that I appreciate about cast is that her chaos is very directed and focused, and I think that that's really what you need to pull out a win here. You like. I'm just thinking the chaos of Debbie. Natalie also narrowly hasn't been around all that long on the survivor chaos wrestling circuit. So I don't know how in tune she'll be with her teammate. And I, I think Gitanas just a force to be reckoned with, although Debbie does bring a certain genetic Kwa. I will go ahead. I don't know. Here's a force to be reckoned with that. If you put any real challenge in front of her, she's not going to to well, they could cast, could we are, I don't know Debbie wheel, outward that fish puzzle NJIT would just spend the entirety of the match concentrating on that and not able to fill it out, but just to get distracted. I think the missing element here for me, at least on some level is that Natalie and and Debbie are classic tag team pairing like you have this, this kind of quiet just dominant beast, monster heel who will come in and the mouthy front person is the person who's out front of the team, talk trash going nuts. And then you bring in there like the end zone and casts of this. Sincere as a cast. On the other side, it's a bad comparison and also ends. Oh, and casts are not great people. So I don't want to compare them one to one, but in terms of the tag team pairing where you've got a Littler crazy person and a larger person who doesn't, you don't wanna mess with. It's a classic tag team pairing, and I feel like I've seen that pairing workout so successfully so many times that it's hard for me to see them losing the question that I have is famous for her. I love nerds take. Does that play into this at all where she is she is embracing any element of any of this. Does that. Issue that does that come into play because we have Debbie's Debbie. So smart, everyone knows it like she'll tell you how smart she is, and that is so successful. I wonder if two is in any way swayed under we have any kind of elements where where there's a turn happening there just in Amherst by the two of them. Well, I'm trying to think as you know, if we're going to take down the hands is what if we somehow get some teams to walk up happening and we try to send our best competitors to take on the hand, says, I feel like that could also be a twist that happened, sort of in this final battle. That your bracket. So you tell me, I think that would work really well if you're realigning the teams. I mean, what? What was the situation for? GTO wasn't it in a. It wasn't a brains brawn beauty situation. So maybe we can have three verses two or three verses three in the in the finals as well. Like there are those opportunities. I like that. So I think that Debbie is a Namur to buy the iheart merits concept. And she says goodbye to Natalie says, Natalie someone's in the in the locker room talking about hice Holly like highschool things, and Natalie sort of runs off to dispel that and to three them against the Hanson. And here, here's what happened. So Russell enters the ring to uproarious booze, but he's able to sufficiently start taking down. He's got like idols, growing them around people's next, pulling them in and dropping them down. And it's just a blood bath out there until right, enhance enters the ring wearing this champion's belt. And what happens is Debbie and casts approach him, and they say. Hey Brennan. You know what? I think that the man upstairs, you know, he's looking down upon you. He would really appreciate if you gave away the belt. Nothing's going to happen to you. You just give the Bill to us and everything should be okay. So Brandon much like he was duped in South Pacific, does the exact same thing gives away the belt and as a result, he is an s. voted out of the championship, and it turns out that are three way. Winners are cast Jatiya and Debbie love it. I love it. And of course everybody else is yelling from the stands. So you've got coach out there, yelling the cast of Australian survivor from this season is out there yelling, I, this is really entertaining. I love this ending. It would be very fitting, I think for Brandon hands to do that. That is this very wrestling standpoint where there's a psychological game that's played and he loses out to the mind games and he's he's swayed in that way. And maybe he could even join the family like he can leave family and take on a new gimmick and join him. Join the the people on the other side like this, there's plenty of opportunities in the wrestling world. If you were to continue this story where Brandon could take on a new personality and he could come out buttoned-down and wearing like a like the attire of like a Mormon elder something show up in the ring. Like I'm ready to preach the gospel. And then you've just there's so many wrestling characters, the hands family, really. I mean, they book themselves in many respects, so it's definitely there. I like this. I can't wait for a flip flip, flipped off season two. When actually the flipping involves flipping people in the wrestling ring and said, flipping house as you can put Debbie on flipped off as well. She's who is it? The food's it Eliza. Breath who flipped off the cameras in the preseason picture throw around there too. All right. Well, thank you for engaging me in my very bizarre idea, took on. Wasn't actual storms. That makes me feel. That I didn't have to jokes about hurricane sandy this well, and I have simulated much Wieder insisted on survivor seasons before. So this was just par for the course for me. Ugly. Yeah, we didn't have any inanimate objects. Good night yet. Although I didn't think this is super tansel, but when Davy found the lizard that everybody thought he was gonna eat and then he like put it in his bag. When I was thinking of this idea, this wrestling idea, I just had David popped into my head and his thing was throwing lizards. So he just be like pocket lizard, and he would just throw who is it somebody that was also an idea that went nowhere. But I thought I'd mention it because why not. Yeah, I went somewhere here. I love that. You said like, you know not to gentle as though we're really on point here lost too far away from our simulated wrestlemainia with the crazy survivors ever. I d like David lizard wizard. Lizard, just like catch, throw them on people to the Strack. Yeah, we and following in the footsteps of Jake, the snake Roberts. Well. Little lizard on his show, love it. So it's, we call them the lizard king, which would I think John Morrison would then say or John Hennigan would say, gimmick infringement Brel. That's my thing. Then we bring him in. It's perfect, we'll we'll have. Maybe we'll do another one in the future where John Hannigan wrestles the trail of cast and Debbie to see who truly reigns supreme here. But speaking of Davey, Mike question involves Davies, fantastic confessional about him finding the idol. He said, you know, I never. I never saw idol before, but when I took a with its smells like an idol, which begs the question, what are you guys thinking? Idle smells like this was discussed a bit at the panel is going to whether or not it smells like leather intone award. Are you thinking, what are your Ola factory senses telling you about the smell of an idol? I think the reuse these things so they have to smoke gross af after the smell like the go and people's pants. All the tile. Yeah. And. They go underground like the seafoam like beach, like just washed up nastiness that the gets buried under the ground there. I just think they smell like fish and inter five, like it's not good like this is some people's thinking. We are. I totally agree. I think Neidl just smells like straight up Dookie just because it's been in so many different places even just like sitting in the woods like it was in this wet sack or sit in the woods, Mike? Yeah, exactly. If an I I do sit in the woods and I just the way it probably did not smell too well, no matter what it was made of Leon. Do you have any thoughts about it? We already heard her thoughts are so little som in comparison. I was like, it's most like the craft store because they just bought all the beads, Michaels and slightly scented candles. That was my. But man. I mean, I can see where you're coming from, I guess. 'cause it's been sitting in the whole wet sack. Thanks Mike for that visual. For a while, smells like like damp burn. Yeah, exactly. Much like the sack you buy in four packs last week from Leon is listening. Well, the other thing is well as maybe there's something that producers can do in future seasons, where if they want idols to be more regularly found, should they like give the idols ascent so that people can follow that if you smell pumpkin spice in the middle of beating and you follow that sense, there's gonna all my God, more white girls will find. That's how you get more one. Thank you. Pumpkins. So glad that you. Because I wanted to make it and didn't feel. That is exactly right. I think that I think we'd have. We'd have the idol found in post-haste if you made it smell or something to that effect. Now there, what does that cinnamon rolls just walking off into the jungle women. Oh no, it's an idle. People might be so hungry that they might eat the idol though. That's a problem. So we had to run into that. You gotta make it smell something people is that movie theater popcorn. I don't think you wanna make it smell like something appetizing because they're so hungry out. There could just happen. I think you'd have to. I don't know what you could make it smell like that. Wouldn't wanna make people eat all these scented candles are some variation of something that you might want to eat. So I don't know if it's old books. Does that smell like old books? Exactly. But some people might be like, yeah, they, oh man, just as appointing. 'cause it's so frigging boring out here. I could read it Lisa book now, just haven't idol. What good is that information is the true advantage, obviously, books over idols. I think though if you want, if you don't want women to find it, you make it smell like axe body spray, but. Yeah, Dan would find it again though. That's the problem. Like you just run into this issue where the same person finds it. So I don't know. Maybe maybe what they do is instead of instead of the comfort items, you list your favorite smell before the season and that they have various things that are your favorite smell like, I don't know what Mike White's favorite smell would be maybe not side of. Show. Nacho league Ray. I mean, I think that I mean, dammit obviously brought him by acts bodies. But what about grand? Would it be like worthy original. Mothballs you really want grand to play this game. I want grand versus Dan Daf. This smells like those orange circus peanut candies so much. That everyone in the world hates. I don't know, this is how you maybe the same this game for a future week, but you could decide what each person's individuals smell was. We had Angela from big brother this summer who was very famous for her sense of smell and identifying the smells of the various people. Maybe we identify in the future what the various smells of all the various competitors are probably too many people left on the board at this point. And I guess maybe by the merge, they're all just going to smell terrible, but they came into the game smelling like that's a good question. Surprise, Josh. And that in Philly. Like, okay, here's a picture of a person. What do they smell like? Maybe that can determine a lot about what you think about a person who's talked about Russia, Russia, all the senses walls. I don't think we want to go there. We don't. So we will promptly plug are noises maybe for a future date to address more smells of survivor. But at least we've sort of functioned on our circled around one in idle smells like, and it doesn't sound like it's knows very good, good on the players for being able to hunt them out and keep those nasty smelling things on their person for such a long portion of time. Let's move on to our final segment each and every week here on the BNB. The question of the week questioned this week in honor of tying with our survivor mania segment. What is your John Heddon like nickname. And I think we sort of opened this up to be like either for yourself or for another survivor. We got a slew answers a lot of names. Let's see if we can go through these. Let's start with great friend of the podcast. Melissa Melissa. The most about said, I think Johnny Chen moon vest would be a good nickname for wrestler, John. They also said mayo of slam talent, be good as well though at Nick, my Arana might disagree. I think my mayo of slam town would be fun. Yeah. Can you could go the whole. Condiment route, you know, like. Really mustard relish only their time to shine in slam town. I mean, I think though Debbie, Mike distracted from her possible 'bout win by the mayo of slam town. So, you know, I used to be a model. He's like a Greek God donnas flam town. Let's go to partnership who says some nicknames of mine include garlic. Bread. Ouray r. a. k. man which stands for ropes axes, not man. Harks me put Mark sauce. Yeah, Parker. I don't know if you revealed your weapons of choice here. It's like BT k. are like, I think there's death a serial killer. I'm pretty hard jobs. Sounds like a park. Suck. Porn is into part killers struck with his RFK's again. I have two signature at the scene. Got a call the mayor of slam town so a foot. Well, that's what Parker's idle it smell like garlic. Bread. Obviously. Man, I would doesn't that idle. Yeah, that'd be. That'd be go hand in hand with the olive garden merged freest. I think that would be the hardest idle because it smells like garlic bread. Moving onto ever, Morris one, quick one, the less stress Adam. Oh, I love this very, very Haley from big brother, like active to apply to somebody as a wrestling. I would buy the pop figure. You're looking very a lesser this evening. All right. Next up trend. See, great comment on the AP BNB thread on the website dot com. Captain commenter cheap seat, concierge peanut gallery president. Hopefully not circus peanut gallery. We got the opinionated TC Khalidi thunder buns. Trent trivia to nations TC trencher the tormentor mister twister. For NATO, Trent t rent syndrome and tinker bell from hell. You really gotta get focused. That's too many. John had trips. Transmit working in Mexico, asks there. What is he rents in? Is that like a looting to something specific remote? It sounds like something that the close captioning people might have. We should look into it. Yeah, I want to go back to a law street. Does that just like an illustration like that word me. I mean, I've heard the word. I've just never really thought that it's just like the word Illustrated's. So Admiral just look like like drawing is a flat Stanley, just a tutti cut out of a Per Stig wish says a way a well. So similar illustrating that maybe they only used to draw illustrations of distinguished people at some point, and that's related. Yeah, all those paintings of English kings exactly. Lustrous well, known, respected and mired for path according to dictionary dot com and likely. Illustration, illustrating crowd. There was something rolled in here on the side of maritime updated that sorry. Well, look forward to our next segment where we talked about word origins, right? Sorry. Etymology to your podcast feed Edme. Oh, is. Algae. Grace leader said the saving grace. Everybody calls me that period everybody. That's ominous. They should team up with a Parker. Why don't they call the amazing grace? Like isn't that better than the saving? Greenwich have a saving grace. Nobody. Oh, man. Mazing grace would be a better wrestling game. I feel like, but that's just me unless you like always comes in is like the person at the very last minute to save the match all the rooms. Yes, she does run ins every time, so that might work. All right. Next up, Michelle says her wrestling names death-knell Michelle, the maroon Munns and magnanimous spider frenzies. Okay. Got this from a wrestling name generator? No, no, no, no. Crushing that one? No, Yep. Stepping on it. So I like the maroon monsoon because that fits in with all the chaos in the storms. And you can jump right in on the tag teams, not the actual storms. Thank God tag teams. So the maroon monsoon fits right in there. Let's go to great. Let's the Brennan Tatra. I'll be one of those wrestlers who always changes their Monica binging, Brandon business, Brandon bumbling, Brendan bully branded, and perhaps my favorite Bongo by new. Working like a like a drum circle gimmick where he's like dreadlocks and hanging out in the Park Lane hack. I like the seems up with the bucket drummers from the subway. I think you've got something there. Team bucket. Buck real better VME. Better and finally will from America had to put this in here Grover brains and brawn. Grove us, Jonathan Liana you got to watch the premiere of the neighborhood this past week, the lustrous neighborhood. What was it like. Okay. I'm trying to think of how to best describe it. I think I was confused most of the time because it was sort of this like so Cedric. The entertainer was clearly racist towards white people. Assuming that white people either are normal racist or they love black people so much that they're also racist. It was very unclear how I was supposed to take the show, the sons of Cedric entertainers character were a little more nuance feeling to really dive into it. We need a whole podcast about it or no one should ever podcast about it ever. But needless to say, so. I was I was intrigued. I might actually watch the follow up next week. Shows only get better. Right? Like the whatever you watched was what they used to sell, the shows I hopefully they've got more legs behind this thing this. You just watch the premise, here's I will say, Zine tire episode. I felt like I was watching the Grover Johnson promo. Am I what's funny about it? A my supposed to laugh like all the jokes were kind of like that where it was like, I'm sorry, is this funny? The laugh track is telling me to laugh. So it was sort of my impression. So we'll see if it changes and we moved past the Grover. Johnson promo, say promo for Grover John's because make me feel like he would cut a wrestling. I'm gonna take you in the backyard center entertainer. The love. Let's not take that promo any I, I don't wanna hear any threats from this little kid to his new neighbors because it's really took about a third forgot sake. Let's not do this. That's interesting. Grover. Johnson all cut to you. Hear what? What are your John Hannigan like wrestling names? Oh my gosh. I feel like I'm working like a like a lawyer gimmick. I did win. I once won the title in law school. So like I think the Missouri list might work to that effect. Yeah, Tuesay's one are somewhere in there like the, you know, the the, the Italian stallion Tuesay's one are I really. Yeah, you just have to like figure your way into working. The best wrestling gimmicks are the ones that are the closest to the person at their core. So like John CENA's wrestling gimmick is John sina like that too. We is right. So he came out when he first came in. He was this guy from the Boston area who was the white rapper, like that's the gimmicky was working. And that still is part of the all John CENA, but he's not out there really wrapping anymore. He's just John CENA. The rock was the rock like that's that's who he is like his legitimate name. He wasn't really portraying a character. It was like an amped up version of himself. So my wrestling guy is probably it's probably the Missouri list because I would just come out and talk the whole time and everyone would be sick of LOL your people into sleepy. I like that. So my finishers. I didn't. I had a really hard time coming up with as for myself. So the first head was because I do the Saturday morning updates for big brother, the Saturday morning delight, which is super creative. Yeah, the the the gallon Thein of sixty nine that I had. I don't know what that means. I was also really intrigued with George Bush of pushy, and I really tried to count with one based on like, I don't know, Theresa May or Angela Merkel, and then like who work in something that never came to fruition of anybody has ideas on that, please let me. No, no, no. The Theresa Theresa May of solid uniform. See exactly. This is why I need. I need help at all right. So Theresa May Saturday. You're going to Brexit from the rings. This is definitely might gimmick which normally make sense. It's just like I said earlier, amplify. You know. Let's go Theresa May of you. So I had. I've been fortunate in that. I feel like I've had some monitor monikers like gifted upon me in the past years of podcasting, Mixmaster Mike in the pocket. I've MC blue misery. I have from this podcast, a mop like meat boy, which I don't know what that would mean. Maybe I'll like brandish a Ma and throw meat and people spaces like Davy did with lizards. But I also went the presidential angle likely animus trying to do with the Millard Fillmore of man horse. Great. All right. So I'm sitting, we're all going to adopt that. As we start the p. wrestling league coming up berry sued the question of the week or next week in honor of gabbing Christians. Fantastic misunderstanding over their conversation. At the tail end of last episode, which survivor player would you want to play in the sand with now? Look, you can be whatever you want. Okay, open door here it can be drawing in the sand. It could be building, same castles, whatever you want, but you have a one player to pick out of the past six hundred plus that you wanna play in the sand. What's so go crazy people. This was such a good exchange. Like when I was watching the episode, I was just reminded about how wonderful it is. You wanna play with me in the sand. Onyx. He starts like. So good. Don't play in the sand with Rupert is all I can say, ends up with you. Murli underground shelter shovel all the RA k. man. So you can give your answer in a bunch of different ways. You can always tweet it to us. So using hashtag RHA p. b. and b. you can post your response on rob has a website dot com as well as rob has awesome patrons group. We'll be going over these next week with our very special guest. Look for the season started. We got this great announcement that Canadians are now able to apply to be on survivor, which is awesome. We've had Canadians on before, but we thought an honor of this occasion. We welcome on a new Canadian guest. I got to see her in person at live know it alls this week. Great. Kirsten McKenna's will be here to join us. Episode, three of survivor David versus just going to be a lot of fun. So make sure you send us your response to the question the week that we can review with Kirsten until Neo. Thank you so much for coming on and subjecting yourself to this storm without necessarily needing to personally tackle it of this podcast. You were great fun as always. How can people follow you on social media and catch up with all the great stuff you're doing on. SR Missouri list. No AC Mazaar Tuesay's one are on Twitter. We're going to wrap up better, call Saul here this week and then stay tuned. We'll see what's next. Awesome. Liana. How can people follow you on social media and catch up with all of your neighborhood? Live tweeting then I'm assuming you're gonna be doing over the obviously. You can follow me on social media. I am Liana Boris l. i. r. a. s. tweeting about all things reality, television. And of course the iconic, the illustrious, the neighborhood. Will you be doing drawing of the neighborhood to show how less reason? Right? Which we all know is part of the definition of stress. You could always right there. It's like almost the same word come on. You can always follow me at a Mike Lee type. Check out the exit press. I do every week on parade dot com. I talked with Jessica this past week about her reaction to her immediate blindside. She gave us some behind this info. About example, how close she felt with Nick, as I mentioned before, b.'s bond with Gabby, really interesting. Talk with Jessica in terms of other writing. I am doing a slew of stuff this past week for HR dot com. I have been lucky enough to attend New York Comecon along with the gray, Josh, by ler and report on a bunch of panels. By the time this is over. 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"School think we are defenders of the night. Be most trusted source for top to bottom coverage of everyone's favourite mid-nineties animated program. Gargoyles i am your host daniel williams and i am here other host eliza circle liz today. I thought we talk about gargoyles season two episodes seventeen. That's a high number double jeopardy. Ooh this season is weird. Liz because technically it goes up to like fifty two episodes. At least it's not disney plus says that's what wikipedia says two but the third season is another thirteen. So i mean. I guess we'll do it that way. It seems odd. It seems really weird. Well we'll get there when we get there. This episode double jeopardy aired november. Sixth nineteen ninety five. This episode was directed by king of the gargoyles ring. Frank par he is all over this season and it was written by cary bates who is back again. You know last week was good but you know he's got some stinkers like they all do. Sorry cary bates. it's true. Mean he didn't like this one you know i don't know i. I kept falling asleep while watching this episode liz. The past few weeks have been exhausting. Oh yeah i can imagine so literally just sitting on my couch just dozing kept having to get up and just walk around to wake myself up on no. That's not a good sign. I don't place the blame on the episode though. I think this one was a okay. Okay cool well before we again. Our normal Please rate review and do your thing if you like as yeah we assume you like us. This is like our thirtieth episodes so it would be weird. If you're listening in hated us. Yeah but rate review. Hi five your friends and say hey. Check out this podcast definitive night. It's pretty awesome liz. I wonder if the listeners can tell. I didn't script anything for this now. Just makes it all the better. It makes it all the something. Liz yeah castle live. And that's where we're headed at the beginning of this episode and we're going to the past yes so long ago we're going one year ago do you remember. Can you fathom such a leap back in time and it's the shortest leap in time that we've ever done this show so dream boating goliath or discussing leaving the castle. You remember. When they used to live at the castle the gargoyles feels like a lifetime. Ago does deluxe was still in prison at this point remote. She wants the pros to find a new home. But liz something's different this time around. Yeah do you remember a fucking robo goal attacking during the middle of his arguments. You know what. I was trying to think back. And i really don't like i think they change the past to make the storyline work. Yeah this didn't happen. No we're rewriting history here but you know what fine so this robo goal attacks goliath and gets a little scratchy scratch on his arm. This guy is in a storage closet for robots and he wakes up. And i guess he hears dream. Bow and goliath. Just having their conversation through various stonewalls robots have very good hearing yes and instead of opening the door and going up the stairs and attacking the normal way this robot just crashes right through the ceiling of the storage room out of the building and into the courtyard. Do you think that deluxe programmed it to attack that way like do you think he's just trying to keep his masons working what i have. No idea grow just a little over zealous. I don't know just wanted to impress. I mean i would assume that he programmed that way and then like owen like launched it or something like l. or pressed the button. Yeah i i don't know needlessly destructive robots. Yeah is he just trying to show up for the bosses. He going for that robot promotion. What what's okay. You know what it seems like a weird way to to your boss is destroying his building just so excited to do a good job. That's true so like you said. This robot attacks goliath. And i hope he didn't go into this attack thinking that he was going to survive because this robot has his head crushed under goliaths foot pretty quickly yep glad does not give a fuck about destroying robots no. It's fine but like you said he's been wounded dream. Says oh no. You've been wounded. He was scratched on the arm. Yeah like i have more scripture. My fucking cats the liz. You wanted how. She was a very dramatic here dramatic. I was not worried personally. No you know who was super so worried. The most worried owen. He comes running out to tend to glides horrible awful life threatening wounds because as dreamcoat puts it. You don't wanna take any chances staring at both of them like what the fuck is wrong with you. Two guys later. it's fine. everything's fine. I just went to state that right here in my notes. I said feel like this. Something like a way to collect dna. Yeah i was sitting there like a wet wash cloth and maybe abandoned and then everyone can just shut up like what are we doing here. Well from there. We go back to the present time. Yeah in it's pouring rain liz. The promising ended with torrential downpour. And i thought that was going to be significant and it was just a fancy way to do a scene transition. I was like oh okay i mean fine. But i was like whoa. This is heavy rain and it never came up again. Was like oh. Something's going to happen in the rain. It's going to be significant and it wasn't no it just got us back to that wind. Es highway yeah. Now they're trying to push this thing. God damn thing motherfuckers to episodes in a row. Does that make this thing. Yeah so it's pouring down. Rain dream about is driving like a fucking maniac on these windy wet roads not say meanwhile above her is broadway and lexington flying this rain. Yeah they're heading to the power plant quote unquote because an anonymous call to the police precincts said it was going to explode. How is this detectives job. Detectives are supposed to solve crimes. Right prevent that crime from occurring and new york city have the task force to take care of that. Yeah a swat team or spec ops the bomb squad anything now just one detective one detective in her dragon dudes these three are heading to their eventual deaths because if a power plants can explode what the fuck are they going to stop it and they're attacked from above it hits hard hit. Some fast and is quick. Is this whatever comes. It's gone man and liz. You mentioned how dangerous it is to drive on this road. Dream boat is staring at the microphone on the lapel jacket s. She's talking to the dude like what happened. What's going on up there. She's looking at it. The roads are wendy. the roads are slick. She's driving fast. She's now danielle. You're kind of an expert. When it comes to microphones does not have to stare at the lapel. Microphone for it to work properly. Not only does not need to stare at a lapel microphone. Liz i'm gonna drop a little bit of insider knowledge on you here. You don't need to look any microphone to use it properly off captain pod casting wrong. I just have all the notes memories. I don't actually look at any of the notes. I just stare. At the microphone i glued some googly eyes to my microphone so i can make eye contact with the time because i don't want it to be weird. I want to know that the microphone. And i are locked into this conversation. I really wanna point googly eyes on your pop filter dream boat just decides to pull over because she nearly drives off the cliff for the second week in a row and she stands in the middle of the fucking road again over rainstorm barely visible to any passersby and all three get a look at their attacker. Go lie at least looks like elias of it. Sounds like him not to be fair. At this point i was like. Oh actually goliath. I was thinking deluxe has his robot oils. All look like glass. Yeah but he lets out a laugh. Yes he lets out a laugh like a very evil maniacal laugh. Baja ailing it and from there. We go to a gym new deck. You members new tech right yes. It's been a while since we've been here since dr mr salacious. Various disappeared or turned into a puddle of water depending on who you ask. Yeah now he is in the middle of paying some kind of green goon fifty thousand dollars to do a thing during daylight and that sat their behalf to the clock tower. Lex and dream boat are telling hudson what happened and hudson's like that doesn't sound like goliath but bradley's mad about it to tell that he honestly thinks goliath tried to attack them. Even though you guys deal with fucked up weird shit all the time. Like why is your go-to like oh. Why did he do that. Really buddy come on right. He's practically your dad. Maybe give him a little faith now. For some reason goliath in brooklyn are still out on patrol even though the sun is nearly up yep which i felt like people should be more concerned about that. That's not very much like them. They never acknowledged that later on when they are talking to the two of them. They're never like oh yeah. This crazy thing went down. That's why we had to seek shelter elsewhere. They're just ignore the fact that they're senior. They never don't come home unless something really bad has happened. We've never seen them just. I don't know lose track of time. They a couple of movies you know. Do they go for like a double feature that. Like oh fuck. They were in the movie theater when they turned the statue. That'd be so weird. They didn't come home so that's unusual but no one's worried about it. And i was like. Hey guys shouldn't dream go and look for them but now they don't care cares okay so from there we end up at castle vern and we see eliason sleeping there at the castle but whereas brooklyn lists. I don't know what's going on here. Man i know and deluxe and owen seem really happy. That goliath is there. Yeah they said something about him liking seeing them up there again or missing him having been up there. I don't know yeah. Like i said i cut dozen. I do remember them talking about very important. Business stuff yeah. Futures stocks trades. I dunno and then off in the distance helicopter approaches. And you know it's not fox because deluxe is not in the helicopter right this fucking goons that we saw genentech yeah. The green suits. Yeah to kidnap. Poor baby boy goliath which they do without any resistance which is also we like. I didn't understand. I mean to lexington upset about this but he didn't really do anything to try to stop it like owen at least hit the secret rock to pull out a hidden gun but deluxe is like no no no you run the risk of shooting glides. I can't have that stand watching all happen. Like a bunch of fucking cooks. Yeah they just wanted to. It was weird very unlike deluxe to just like lay back and let it happen indeed hoodwink. He doesn't know who did this. He generally does not understand. What's happening or why it's happening. Who is to blame. But who boy. Whoever it is when he finds out he's gonna put a boot or ass. Big robo gargoyles boo. And you know there's nothing that elects hates more than being out of the loop. He likes the know all the things all the time and then we go back to the clock tower. Were bouncing around. Were jumping up and down. This time. goliath in brooklyn. They're heading back. They're flying in so. That definitely wasn't goliath that we saw being kidnapped. Maybe deluxe just missed him so much that he had a regular statue commissioned that would be hilarious and not the first time that they've done that just missed seeing him up there. She made me feel safe. Oh that would be so funny. The adorable he missed his buddy. 'cause they're friendlier now they're frenemies. Yeah they're total frenemies. So this is a real mystery. We got here. Yeah brooklyn was like nah guys. He was with me the entire fucking time. Yeah inside the clock tower. There explaining to goliath the whole situation. And he's like guys. Why would you think that's me. I would never attack you. I hate practical jokes. And hudson hits us with a really great that i would like to play is new. You know how to laugh. Maniacally to that question. I would like to follow up with. Does goliath even know how to laugh. Have we ever heard him laugh. Not that i can remember. You know we've seen him be happy but not jovial. Yeah maybe like a slight hint of chuckle. A smile perhaps but not a hearty laugh now indefinitely on evil laugh though. He doesn't have an evil bone in his body. So like you said brooklyn and glide. They were in midtown all night so that brings me back to the question. What were they getting into. The kept them from coming home. What do you think liz. What could it have been. I think brooklyn stolen other motorcycle and spent The entire time that they're supposed to be patrolling trying to convince goliath that he wants the ride and teach them how to ride on. It's fun so from there. We moved to an oil rig on know our our oil rigs typically that close to the shore that you could take a rowboat out to them. I feel like no The only time i've ever been around it oilrig was like way way off shore in gulf shores and like nowhere near the area of the ocean that you play in so feeling. This is weirdly close because if something happened there and it was that close. You'd cover everyone with oil yet again. Are there any oil rigs around new york city totally. They call new york city the oil capital of the northern hemisphere. Ou learn something new every day. I mean you don't need to look that up. Because i would never lie. I trust you. That's fine good. I mean everyone should just trust me. I'm very trustworthy. All right. so this oil rig which should not be there. We're following a helicopter as it flies out and the green suited goons. They're making their way to deliver this statue to dr snipe. The weird thing is though liz the doctor snaps. Come out with a tranquilizer gun. Yeah and that confuses these goons. What would you need a drink for a statue. it's is made a stone. What do we what the fuck are we doing here. They quickly learn. the not. Goliath goliath gets out of the box that he's in. Yeah he punches through this metal crate. Of course he does. This is no regular goliath. Liz this is some kind of white haired. Red eyed veal goliath and we get intrigue to an ad. 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New tech tracking device conveniently just left in the dirt and immediately lexington's like shiny tech genetic engineering fat. It's dr snap if he's involved. You better believe you know who was involved to it still ex. Yeah in case. You didn't deluxe owns that business. Yeah although i still feel like it'd be better if deluxe had nothing to do with these genetic plots but whatever this one that's kinda sort of accurate kinda sort of glide sins the to brogue oils off to the genetic lab to hunt for clues. Which broadway is all about being a private detective at all. Do you think he grabs his fedora. I i think that he regrets not bringing it but no he doesn't go back to the clock tower but he's like i really wish it really helps me hunt for clues better. A better. s- luther. When i have my cat i got the full get up. I can solve any crime. Where's matt. I need a steal his coach. Or he's at You know the luminosity headquarters now being illuminated Illuminata is louie illuminated. Whatever who cares. Meanwhile you know are two love birds. They're going to pay all big daddy deluxe visit so we gotta castle laverne and we are in his office. One deluxe xanadu to sits there staring at a ringing. Phone insert himself. He had to wait for someone to go. Get phone is on his desk. The desk sitting at not even lean over. Just hickey. Right up just extend your arm but you got this. I believe in you. But no owens got across the room and he answers the phone because that's what a man servant does. Liz need one of those. The call that apparently deluxe deluxe has been waiting for this call and he doesn't pick up the fucking phone himself that sometimes i just can't with him. He was waiting for this call because he knew that the statue was going to be ransomed. Why was why. Why did he think anyone was gonna right. I mean unless it's someone on the inside to the outside. I i mean it's just a statue and or regular goliath. Yeah and if it's someone on the inside how did you know that they were gonna call specifically to ransom the gargoyles. Probably because he's a billionaire. He's like i'm ransomed every day. Just got to be something at least three times a week. People are calling me for ransoms. Yeah so here's the deal is deluxe needs to bring twenty million dollars to this oil rig or he's gonna lose his most prized specimen and. I hate to break to you kidnapper. Guy who certainly doesn't sound like doctor's name but deluxe most prized specimen is the very first semen sample. He froze after becoming a billionaire. Everyone knows that fuck. It was written about in fortune magazine. We we all know that god. He covered in the wall street journal monthly. I don't know why that's gross. What's the status of the frozen sperm stills frozen awesome still come sickle. Oh oh no yuk you. Would you put a little popsicle. You know what okay all right. So they are both boo boo boo boo. Boohooing over the fact that the phone call didn't last three more seconds because had it could have traced it. Yeah i mean that's always a complaint you know just lasting three more seconds anyway so then then owen. Could maybe lucked out its location. But they know scale oil rig but anyway they're able to find out some information so let's take a listen. Although there wasn't enough time to trace the call. I've uncovered a certain. Large consortium which secretly hold the lease on the black rock point. Oil rig cyber -biotics santos enterprises. I wish i could say i'm surprised. Savarese it has to be now. They all know dr snaps up to something. How did they not recognize his voice. Even when it was pitched down. I was like that's very obviously doctor's name. He's the only other person that knew about the failed project and we all know all about the fail log project right. It's that Secret one any you know. We don't need to get into it here. We'll talk about it later. You know it's a real shame that doctors had to pull some bullshit like this because now deluxe is gonna fucking murder him. Yeah he turns into like mob boss right ear. What did he say. It's a shame to lose an asset like a mind like his or something something like that. It was so threatening. I thought that he was specifically going to tear dr snaps brain out okay. Jeez and then he says an example must be made to whom i guess the rest of his workers. Is he going to go. Round with dr snaps corpse and be like look what i did. This is what happens to those who cross me. Yes he's going to put his head on a spike out in front of his castle. Like i want to be able to see it. His castle four miles. I don't know let's find out. We should probably keep going. Yes so going to. Jenny tech labs where broadway and lexington are trying china. Do their sleuthing try and promise that this'll be the last time i bring up. Shit like this but broadway rips a single metal panel off the roof to gain immediate access into an office below which makes zero sense. So liz in your basement. I'm in my basement. If you go upstairs to the main floor your house and you look up. Is it just a single metal panel between you and the sky above. No that'd be the worst installation ever. I hate the stupid shit. But i'm done harping on it until next time it happened. I'm going to try and make it the last time. Everyone that listens to our show knows how stupid i think that is. But you know what. I'm not tired of harping on. Liz is how lex is so great with computers. I will always bring that up he hacks the system on a computer those in the office and i mean what he really does he just does a search. He does a word search. Yeah because he initially. He's like oh the database to big. I need to somehow narrow it down. And then he's like. I know to do c. l. o. n. e. Yeah i know Command f. Clone with with the single single word search lexington is able to find all of the exact information that he's after because genetech only did one cloning project. One thing that have many to lead up to this one we nailed it. I try. that's really convenient. It is really convenient so we get to watch videos. Yeah we're gonna play these videos. But i just wanna say a doctor's name Has no word documents for his cloning project. all videos also very convenient who needs digital journals. Who will just speaking to my camera. All right let's check these out. Owen reports goliath never suspect that the row robot which caused his injury was activated for one purpose. The extraction of living cells on pulse enough to facilitate a successful cloning procedure. All data indicates my accelerated growth. Process is over writing the normally slow ageing read the only side effect seems to be an skin and have pigmentation. New data indicates the clone has reached full gargoyles leci- in a man nine weeks. The artificial maturation rate has been augmented by an ongoing subliminal education program. Personally designed by mr sound toss to teach his own unique slant on things okay lizzy knows what else is funny. All black and white. He couldn't afford the colored cameras. Yeah i can't even begin to understand this but we do find out. That deluxe is part of this which we kind of knew before. But like we see that they're working together with this clone. Yeah the attack. From the beginning of this episode was a complete setup and what i thought would have been really cool is if this had actually been set up way back and season one we got to see it and the story was like a really slow burn. You know that'd be cool. They just rewrote history instead. Which you know you gotta do what you gotta do. 'em assuming then that they are the ones that called in the potential explosion. Yeah that's a good question because we never go back to it. How would he know where they are. Maybe fake goliath was just out joyriding. Maybe that is a very interesting question because if that was an actual incident. Did anyone ever take care of it. Did that power plant exploded. It seems like such an important thing to just ignore for the rest of the episode. Yeah ok guys. That's definitely a choice. Boy i hope that power plant was okay liz. We go to a hill. Goliath and dream cassia. See a man in a boat wink. That's right. I made that reference very adult like of me. This man in a boat is approaching. The seemingly derelict oilrig which is now in the background of almost every shot in a step aside like hey the stents totally been here the whole time i would put it in every frame. So now we're on the oil rig. That man was deluxe. He's delivering the twenty million ransom to dr snake snake. He opens the case. He diligently is counting every single bill. He didn't even know that they were ten thousand dollar bills. Who is very excited and deluxe does one of those sexy pulling off the trench coat moves taken off daddy to show his. You know slim down robo suit underneath. He's not naked. He's part robot. Yeah although if he's part robot maybe he is naked so he has to sit on because he he is angry. Deluxe right now. He is very very angry. I don't think we've ever seen deluxe this angry before. No i guess it's like no big deal if like an enemy does something to him. He's got whatever expected. But i think he like demands loyalty and respect from people that he employees in the fact that someone is doing this to him. He can't handle it. Yeah and it doesn't even understand. Why like i treat you. Well man. we do. All kinds of weird sci shit together. This is how you act. I'm going to have to tear that head off. I actually really liked this because he is going on and on. We see goliath and dream. Boat swooping in but they're like what site and see what happens. Let's go over here. You'll kill deluxe lexus. Still like i'm not by nature vengeful man which made me chuckle. Like really really deluxe. You're not vengeful. But he's going on and on and snakes like body what what are you doing. We do in the bit okay. I'll play all right. Oh no you owe me. Why can't believe you cut me in this deception. Did i do the job fucking dogs like. I don't know what's happening right now. So he goes rage failed hopelessly give. You honestly might be my own. My favorite little bits of deluxe in this whole show seen him go from one extreme emotion to being like what is happening. Dr shapes us west. Oh i'll play along and then alexa confused. He starts whispering long. What are you doing. What are you doing to actually kill you. Why are we whispering. Well i just. I thought someone was watching. Who would be watching what is happening. It's like really fucked up like who's on first kind of like you know what's great about the scene other than all. That shit was goliath and dream boat. Just let's go and see how this plays out like. They don't want to intervene. No want to do anything. Like i want to see. Kills him on We're going to go inside. But let's see if he kills us. Dude i but what. I thought was weird. Was that dream out immediately. Recognized dr snake but he was presumed dead in the last episode by the police. Right i thought so or missing and also he looks like thirty years younger. Okay so i remember him being really old initially right he was an old man and then i think by the end of that episode. He was young. Does he look even younger than that. Young version i think yes and also dream. Boat never saw him as a young man. That's really weird them and this is all going down at a distance. they're flying. how the fuck does she realizes it. This is dr snake. I honestly think that goliath was like. Nah let's wait. Because he's like ashes. Wanna keep holding you in my arms. Liz okay one. More thing about dr snake before we move on. They'd never explained that reverse ageing. Did they know that. Never fucking comes up. Was he wearing old man makeup. I have no idea that is weird. Maybe he was testing the genetic himself. Somehow who needs vo talks when you can play with science like this. Maybe this is where the aluminum body health serum comes from google. Mind explosion thing faint about it. Back to deluxe and snob hinted at it in our scene there but snake was under the impression that he and deluxe were in cahoots like they were working towards the same goal and again delays doesn't know what the fuck is named is talking about and not knowing something just really gets under his skin he hates is used to knowing all of the things. Yeah he's the one plotting all the things. A plot against deluxe deluxe doesn't know about and just let happen because he's bored. I guess no good That's bad news bears. So that's going on though goliath and dream boat here. Gargoyles shouts coming from inside the oil tank. It's fail log ya liz. About what point in the show. Did you realize that failure is basically goliath backwards. Pretty much here. I don't think. I what if i didn't have the subtitles on though. Yeah it was briefly. On the screen in virginia tech. And i'm like wow you guys just didn't go for. It is not a log. Yeah i mean that'd be very difficult to say if you like gaelic there you go. It's gaelic h. A. i. l. o. g. spells frank. I thought it was kind of clever though. They'll log. Yeah that's kinda clever kinda. This is win goliath. in dream mbo are caught up. On what lex and broadway found out in the previous scene yeah fe. Luxury clone dont want Glide is not happy about it and know he'd like I did not consent to having a son. The kept calling him his son and i had a real problem with that because he's genetically identical. That would make him a twin. Yeah and i guess his in his brain he's like he's made from a piece of me. I say brother not son will. Yeah because he even calls him father. I was like oh. This is weird. That made me feel weirder than sun. Thing yeah. I think that he did that. Because of what goliath said though you know he said that in response so okay at glide is very upset because deluxe stole his home and now he's stolen a part of my solar taken my soul piece by piece. That confused me even more than calling him son. They took your flesh. Edna the not take your soul like it was a dumb thing to say like everyone else in the room had been No no that's not what he did. Goliath is upset. He calls they log and abomination sir. What's your language because some people would call all gargoyles that and that's not cool. Yeah he's gargling. Ill like your dog oil man. Y'all gargle l. and dreams like okay. Fine you have every right to be angry totally understandable but that is not they log fault and you will not call him in a nation. She didn't say that part but she should have. She didn't say that but she did say you can't blame this on him. You can't take this out on him. This alexis fault not they logs and she's the first when the column goliath son and i. It's that's weird. Nope that is true. I wonder if he would've thought of him. That way of dreamcoat hadn't put that idea in his head. Yeah she just wants to have his baby and it's like well. This is the closest we're going to give their sudden no 'cause he's totally fucking evil. Yeah he is just supremely and nationally evil. He pulls a mean trick here. His shackles worn even locked. How dare you pull such shenanigans. You know how. I feel about practical jokes. Yeah and he then jumps goliath and put the gas mask him. That knocks him unconscious. He's using that science gas and then lets out that evil laugh to an ad break. 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I don't know who's like you set this all up and ducks like no. I fucking didn't and they're like well. Who else knew about that. They log project and the fox. The knowin- and deluxe shut that down. Yeah you know what though. I wouldn't put it past fox for sure. I was really hoping it was a win because we were talking the other couple episodes ago about how it seemed like owen was going to start turning on deluxe. What was happening. it's happening. Oh he's on deluxe. He turns him on all the time. Oh yeah he does. But that's what i meant. Oh ha all right. But i think it would have been fun if it was fox just because she clearly dislikes to fuck with the dudes in her life to like shared he went after daddy. Why not go after a daddy. Yeah that was biological father and sexual partner. Yeah that's why it's weird liz. That's why it's weird. You gave them the same name. You see this very curious because it's no one that they know you know. Yeah and this is win the twist comes. Liz were pretty late in the episode. But twist they log attacks deluxe. Ooh he attached some kind of jockey. Ironman arc reactor to deluxe his chest and it shuts down as suit and it knocks him unconscious. Yup poor deluxe He didn't see it coming. He really didn't that's got really pissed him off. I like it when shit surprises deluxe because more often than not even. If he's acting like he's surprised that the ha this was my plan all along when he comes to he and the rest of our human friends and now goliath they're all chained up in that oil tank thing. But why if you wanted an allowance old daddy xanadu would given a you buddy. All you gotta do is ask. But it's more than just that as they got some plans. Let's listen to those plans if you really expect me to spend my life being your student the duct this private guinea pig. You didn't go to all this trouble just to raise a full all right well. He has plans we. He doesn't need to tell us his plans but whatever they are apparently pretty expensive right and he needs the money to make it happen. Whatever it is. God what are his twenty million dollar plans nape is like what are you gonna do. Go to the bank and deposit that like. You're a dragon. I literally said that beats before he said this is why you don't have kids. They're always talking back and stealing your money and making you look dumb and leaving you to diana an oil rig stales oldest time. Good thing we're landlocked and there's no Around us our larry's you'd be in trouble. They log though is like oh well i pulled off. This plan did an i surely can figure out the money thing that you guys are supposed to be pretty smart and i managed to trick. All of. you shouldn't be too hard. I'll get a pay pal account. Give us van mo- idiot. Well and then goliath goliath obviously is like gotta talk some sense into my boy and he's like don't pull off this evil shit be a good gargoyles. Come join our clan. Live with is be with us. I'll be great. I love you. Know man log ain't about that whole defenders of the night life so instead. He just decides to hate. Goliath is like Listen i i thought about it. I considered it i- i- molded over. And i even considered giving you some of this money but How about instead. Fuck you know real reason. He got like a really weird. He's like i was going to include you buddy. But now i hate you. What cost that switch. why failing. Because i've made the conscious decision to do so that's why sus shut up. Yeah and then he turns to dream. Boat inserts like touching her. i like. I'm so sorry beautiful. You weren't supposed to be here. You weren't supposed to be part of this. I'm so sorry wrong. Time baby. But i love you. You're giving me hard on just like you give dad. Oh god what a. You're just making some awful connections here yet. Just said previously that they log is like their son. Do you write crappy porn in your spare time. Is that what are you doing. A stepson porn. Right now Now i'm not. But i was really creeped out with how he was talking and touching her like regardless of the the one that associated her as they lugs. Mom daylight didn't say that that was you. You made it weird. They also made it weird. Mommy just want a stroke. Various parts of you come here mother. That's you've got that. Oedipus complex no. That's you are projecting projecting weird things we got to move on from this bit. I'm pushing us forward to fail. August killing everyone. Now i don't want to talk about this anymore. He's gonna kill everyone but nape didn't realize that at the time fucking eightieth for being a genius. Yeah like okay time for you all to die staples like wait a minute. Wait a minute. What's teamed up in this container. You just gotta let me go. What did he think was going to happen. Was gonna leave them chained up and then he was going gonna like ring owen and say hey. I've chained them all up You might wanna go pick them. They're in an oil tank. What why is this smart guy so fucking dumb. I feel like delilah just staring at him like. Are you fucking kidding me right now. We're all looking at him. Like buddy get with the program. Okay so i assumed failings planned was to flood this tank with two hundred gallons of oil that he found just up above. 'cause he's like oh i'd already been here before i know there's still oil yeah. He mentioned that oil he was leaving him chained up and he's got a flare gun. He's going to use to ignite the oil burning down the oil rig. Now i feel like choose one or the other because two forms of murder in the same. I think crazy unless he wants to get rid of the evidence. Nobody's burn up. Maybe i mean. I ended up being wrong about that anyway. So none of that matters but i really was like. Wouldn't it be gruesome to flood this tank that they're in with crude oil so they're like oh we're all gonna fucking die. That's great. I mean so dream. Boat starts doing her thing in slips out of her wrist custom the shackles shackled shekel. That she's in she gets out of it. And that's why kerry. Why did you write the worst dialogue in creepy ass. Shit in this episode. Because he doesn't like women because I love me some delicate wrist. Yeah i love a woman with delicate wrists. Okay one gross. Obviously that is totally gross to. What does that mean three. You're married man. Well you know fox. She's got those bulky wrists. I love fox and we're genetically compatible but she's got such fiqh risks. I don't like what not telecasted. Mike ers law. She doesn't have little bird bones like you like what anyway. So she's trying to figure out how to save the rest of them. I wouldn't know saved goliath and been done with it but glide. She's got a new goliath out. There she can change true but goliaths because of the gas that he was knocked unconscious with is lacking strength. So he can't do his normal rip through the chains move. He doesn't the past luckily liz. That's where we cue chekhov's magnetic electrical disk the device that knocked out deluxe suit. If it has enough of a charge can just stunned. The fuck outta goliath. I guess the which is a good thing in this case the other like if we electric jolt him his strength will come back. Yeah i guess they're saying it'll cause a rush of adrenaline to his system but what if it just knocks him unconscious like it did two deluxe right. This is a huge risk. it is but he's like just go ahead and do it. Let's try and then we cut to they log and you just hear the roaring of goliaths in the background and he's like get my temper from what i mean. I am killing these people and he is being left to die of the same things. Yeah equal reactions are required like all right and he needed a good line. That's what it was and it didn't make any sense but that's okay. They get free. I mean the shock works. everybody's fine. of course they are right and this is when i was proven wrong about my assumption that he was gonna flood the tanks because we cut topside. They log is ripping open barrels of oil and his dumping them all over the oil rig and mean that's fine fiery death. whatever. I like my idea better. Because that's a surefire way to kill them all right and you know if he just set everything on fire. They could escape and they knew the humans. I'll run back to the boat. The clydes like no no no. I need some time with my son again. No it's your twin your genetically identical. I need try to reason with him. Because i'm goliath because it worked so very well the first time right. I also like how the humans aren't even for a second like hey. Do you want some help there. Like we gotta fucking go well. So they're having their scuffle in their talk which resulted in the flare gun bean. It seemed like it was a more accidentally shot than purposefully shot. I missed the pulling of the trigger. Just saw the oil being ignited. So i didn't know if fail. Log was taking a shot at goliath in the like during the tussle or if it was accidental 'cause he was holding it when when they began their end of episode tussle quite share their and so of course fire starts. I mean that's the whole point. You know mission success and as it starts growing and growing i think they both realize. Hey maybe we should stop fighting. This seems dangerous for both of us. Now we're not just you goliath and classes like we gotta go. We gotta jump in the water. This is the only way but they log ain't leaving a bag behind. That's still can't get that money. So he goes for the briefcase and being bang boom. There's an explosion and everyone dies by goliath by they log or not so we get to the boat. Yeah we see the explosion happening just like more and more explosions happening too. Many summits and then goliath appears from the water because he had jumped off the side and swam to safety. Yeah liz deluxe hands goliath the tiniest towel that's deluxe sized. How now. I think it's a wash cloth here. Cover yourself up as he does. He delivers this well. I should have known no copy could live up to the original copy. Wasn't living being and we fail to soon deluxe. That was a guy you jerk. Yeah goliath not happy about that. Just to flip in. Yeah i think. Well at this moment lexington and broadway show up and we were like. Hey guys we got it prediction for you. Would we miss. We can give you some information on dialogue. And they're like eah too late guys. We figured it out already. And that really matters anymore. Unless your information as he's fireproof so we end our episode at castle waiver in the next day And in the garden over t. o. N. of all laments the loss of the twenty million dollars but Deluxe isn't so sure that it was quote lost Because fail log is at least as smart as if not smarter than deluxe and deluxe knows for sure that if he weren't they logs points. He would have had multiple contingency plans for escaping oil rig. And liz can you describe the very last shot because it's pretty stupid. So deluxe walks over to the edge of the garden area but like he's just overlooking the vast new york city and he's kind of leaning over just with a worried look on his face and meanwhile oh is saying things like. He's better than goliath. He's smarter than you which. I thought that was hilarious. You made a mistake. Let me read this in your face. This creature smarter than you and elects kind of just sized and goes. Oh and. I think i've created a monster. You're leaving out. The best part luis the best part worthy superimposed falen laughs in the sky. What they've never done anything like that before. Have they know they have not it was weird ghostly visage of falen. So fucking guys. They're lug as evil. I mean they are screaming it in our faces. Yeah i wouldn't say this is dumb episode but that's a dumb way to in this episode. Yeah like i think. I've created a monster. I think that's i mean it's cheesy but i think that's fine just that part because it's like it almost shows a hint of deluxe being like. Oh fuck the decisions. I make have consequences. And i may be went too far this time. I think i'd done goofed. Yeah for real like just keep it there. It's a proper level of cheese that's acceptable. Don't add like ghost style just laughing. Yeah oh and i think i've created a monster by the way the monster is by the way let me show you him to show you how evil he is a good day. We in this episode on cheese. Okay well we in this episode with another ad break. So we'll jack. The gym loving male nurse managed to win the heart of the spunky blue haired web designer maggie. Join us to discover if this unlikely hair will have their happily ever after or fizzle out in the end of season. One is available for your listening enjoyment. Now at glenn dot com or anywhere podcasts. If anyone laughs like that Near you listeners. Just just as run. Hey liz yeah. What did you think of this episode. Famous actually quite enjoyed it. I like deluxe being busted. So i liked that. He was quite honestly confused and didn't know what was happening. And i like but there's someone who can do that to him because no one else could at this point. I think that this should be further. Proof that deluxe doesn't know much about password security on computers. Because how did they log managed to hack his email unless he had a really easy to guess passwords. How did they know how to use computers period. He's not lexington. Well no but he was given an education. That was curated by deluxe. So i have a question about that. What the fuck voiced deluxe teaching him how to be manipulative maniacal. I mean. that's a good question. Because deluxe isn't an evil man not like out now crazy laughter gonna drown you all an oil and set your body's on fire evil right. He support billionaire. Who wants to win. Yeah but fail. August fucking easy you. I liked what they did in this episode. Because they gave us something that i've been asking for for a long time which is a new villain. Why didn't like about it was that they just made an evil goliath. Yeah we just get a new fucking character. Yeah that's true. And i mean i'm assuming that he did escape our masumi this going to be a kind of reoccurring character. I mean they've already got the actor. It's not like they have to pay an extra person come. So was this whole episode written just to get dimona a new man. I mean deluxe seems kind of done with dimona so like purposely like oh well back when he started this though he was still working with dimona. So maybe i'm not saying deluxe did that. I'm saying to writers of gargoyles to maybe a new partner in more than one way some of the most violent sex that you've ever thought of between those two. Yeah that's gotta be what's going to happen right because you know dimona. She likes goliath. Ordered like glass. And this is just an evil goliath. I'm curious though. Because she always likes to be the powerful one and he's more powerful than she is but she also likes smart dudes. He's a smart man yeah. I think that's definitely going to happen. And i don't know if i'm looking forward to it or if i am going to hate it i don't know how to feel you feel like i will enjoy it if it explodes in their face. They log stabs her in the back figuratively or literally either way. Why not both. Why not both. And i guess to end our coverage today. Should we speculate. Why failed is evil. Like why would make him that way specifically did they make him evil or did something happened to him. Does he just like being a bad man. i wonder i don't know like it. Seems like they manipulated his personality totally some degree but i wonder if like they meant him to be like at a six and somehow he got a twelve and they're like oh something went wrong yeah or he became so smart that he realized what these humans were doing and the he decided. No fuck these people. How dare they write and manipulate my brain stuff. I don't see why deluxe of people who want a really really evil gargoyles. You'd think you'd want one that would be willing to do his bidding something. He could control the not this. Why would you make that gargoyles so smart. Would you take orders from you know interesting for now. Hopefully we'll find out pretty soon. We'll see sometimes they make us wait forever. Well thank you for listening to today's episode of defenders. Also thank you to in the yet. Thank you to in the harris wizard. Since potter mcgowan composing are interstitial music. 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Episode 111: I Thought My Warrior Days Were Over

Defenders Of The Night

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Episode 111: I Thought My Warrior Days Were Over

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The night, the most trusted source for top to bottom coverage of everyone's favorite mid-nineties animated program. We have sound effect for that I. don't care was today. You and I are discussing gargoyles season one episode eleven long way to morning. Yes, this is a pretty good one. I'm going to spoil the ending. I liked it I. liked it to admit it full on a couple of stinkers before those. Yes, and maybe that benefited this one. Maybe because the other ones weren't so great that this seems better. That could be and listen I. Don't want our listeners to think that I don't have tons of yelling in my notes because I've got plenty of shouting. WOULDN'T IT BE DANIEL? Show with other? You know what shut up. But, still overall I thought. This was a pretty solid APP. was did. You know that this episode aired January Twentieth Nineteen Ninety Five. It's like they're going one a week. It's crazy. It was directed by talking. meet to camera and cut sue Terada now talking to we haven't seen in the credits since episode five. Oh, wow! Yeah, and it was written by Brin. Chandler reaves who we haven't seen. Since episode seven, she was the first woman writer on the show so far the only woman. I appreciate. It's not what is but whose ads we tend to not like Michael Reaves. Now as we like to do these days we want to start our episode by just begging and pleading are POW oils to. If they've got a spare minute headed their favorite podcasts. Give defenders of the night the Ol- Five, Star, rating and review treatment. We really appreciate it when you do that. It really helps baby podcast like us grow our audience and get to be heard by more wonderful pals like yourself and you know. What while you're there? Leave one for your other favorite podcasts. Yes, it doesn't have to be us. I'm sure you like other shows you like ours the best and that's great. That's great but I'm sure there are others spread that podcast and listening love voice spread it thin. Shall we jump into? The episode was I think that's why okay. Well I actually got really excited from the opening. Credits of this one is suddenly. We were back in time yet again, but even earlier than we had been before. You know this is nine eighty four. Yes, a castle, wide vern, we see young princes pissed pants as her father puts her to bed for the night, and she's complaining about missing out on a party, and he does what most parents do and threatens her. Yeah, that you better have good behavior or the gargoyles will come and get you which are. Racist no wonder she's a fucking asshole ten years later to the gargoyles because she grew up like this being threatened that if she's a bad girl, the gargoyles will come and get you. Yeah, I mean. Can you imagine him saying something like that? About some other group of people that'd be fucked up like that's some racist Shit Yeah. Pre Hudson Hudson comes in I'm not to not call them Hudson now. It's too late. Oh, yeah, no, he's Hudson, but of course he here's the tail end of this conversation, and it seems like he and the prince have a pretty good working relationship. You've respects Hudson a lot. And yet, he's still saying these asshole comments. Yeah, that makes it even more fucked up. This whole scene is fucked up. Because why did Hudson destroy on into the Princess's bedroom? We didn't do man, oh. Yeah we gotTa Talk. You can wait five minutes I'm talking kitten. Yeah, that didn't even registered my brain because initially I thought. The princess and him have relationship seems creepy to say no, but like have a report. Yeah, like their friends like Oh. That's her buddy, gargoyles or something, but no, obviously like she was very anti him the entire episode right so no, it didn't even register in my brain like oh him just bur-. She didn't. Bedtime is a weird I. have to my parental stuff right now. I'll do my print stuff in a minute guy. Get Out and yeah like if you rolled up in my house when I'm trying to put my kid to bed. Shirley, this can wait. Alright. Daniel we need to talk about cartoons. So. They start talking about a guy that we don't know. Therefore don't care about, but. Apparently the prince Prince Malcolm banished the arch message for some kind of attempted coup on a takeover. Hudson is upset because the prince didn't just straight up murder, the arch marriage, which seems very une Hudson like. But this has Hudson is the leader of the pack not retired Old Wise One. Yeah, I feel like this is a really interesting story. And we started in the middle of it, and that's a real bummer. Because the arch midge turns out to be kind of a bad ass, like a formidable foe, he shows up on the balcony of the Princess's room and just. Prince Malcolm and Hudson go outside to have a chat just outside her bedroom, and then the arch made shows up also just outside her bedroom any he hits Malcolm with like a poison dart, or something and Malcolm's dead by Malcolm by forever. What really happens is has twenty four hours to survive this poisoning, and the only cure to it is in the magic is book. Yeah like I said? This probably would have been more effective if we knew. The arch made previously or had at least heard stories about the arch made had some previous setup to this new that Malcolm was a character that existed where we're using a villain. We don't know about to kill Prince. We don't know about, and that's the downside to this well. My question is ten years later where we start. Start. The show princess is talking about her uncle how she's going. Go live with our uncle. So is this her uncle or her dad? Oh, that's a really good question I assumed her dad. I did too, but I've just clicked in my brain. Yeah that she talked about her uncle, which I guess sometime in that ten years. Maybe her dad, the prince died, and so the uncle. I don't know. Does that mean? There's a GRANDPA somewhere. Who is king, or maybe her uncle is the king, and her dad is a prince quite. I'm just making assumptions like her. Dad is the older one, but it could very well be. The her uncle is the older brother, therefore, the King I'm just assuming that because the younger brother has children and he'd be the you know I. Don't know I'm so intrigued now. Yeah I know right? This is the kind of stuff they hit you with. It's really interesting, and then they just kind of gloss over. I understand it's a show for children, but not all children are dumb. In the ninety s we were resist. kind of dumb because she comes out and starts parading Hudson like he shot the prince with poison well, yeah, in made me wonder. Did she think that Hudson took her dad out there to hurt? Does she know the magic guy even showed up, or she just think Hudson did this. It seems ridiculous, because really he would stab him with a short sort or something like. Why would hudson you know what she's? She's one of the demos she has. Has One of the dumb one she's like this is all your fault and I'm sitting on my couch. Like what are you talking about? And then she hits him God. Her tiny little princess fest can't do anything, but still so. Do you think that she hated gargoyles before this seemed like it, Kinda does because if not then she jumped to this conclusion and this hate that she sits with your seemingly forever right, but like I mean I guess. How the prince treats in doesn't necessarily mean he treats all the gargoyles with respect Hudson was not just like protector guy, but almost like his right hand man like the way he was talking to him a little bit, and it's true because princess. His pants later does not have this kind of relationship. Hell, hell the Gargoyles that is passed to El Capitan. Liz from there we shoot back to the present, which are past, two, thousand, nine, hundred and New York City, and we see the required waking up shot. We can't not have that in every single episode at least once sometimes multiple times in an episode. Yeah, they're shedding this stone and we see Lexington. Scratch behind his ear like a cat like a goddamn animal. It's official Gargoyles in addition to being part bat. Bat are also part cat have to assume also part rat, their cat lake behavior is becoming more and more apparently, and their feet are very catlike. I've noticed over and over again and Dimona her growls roars are very reminiscent of big cat. Yeah, I mean that's probably the the actual effect, but hurry specifically when they're fighting later on in the episode that I was like Oh yup okay. She is a cat. The breuls oils decide to have blintzes for breakfast and and Hudson. They have a quick chat. Hudson seeming introspective. I'm wondering if what we saw was actually dream and not a flashback. I was wondering because he made a comment about a dream like an old dream Yeah. It makes me wonder like I. Guess They can dream in their in their stone sleep. I didn't even think about that. I mean if they are sleeping than share. That makes me think that the whole stone thing is even harder to comprehend because. When they're killed in awakening, all the other girls are killed their smashed, and they are just bits of stone. Yes, and I've mentioned this multiple times when they wake up, they headstone. Now. Can they have thoughts if they are solid stone I mean they have brains are the brains stone, and if the brains are still. You, see! They're playing fast and loose with the rules here. Yeah, no, that's very complicated. You need the pin this shit down in your show Bible. God so many questions Liz Delight blintzes I! Don't think ever had them. They look delicious. I'm looking at pictures of them right now and looking at blitz porn. They look really fucking good. We'll put the whole thing in my mouth. Delicious. Just a weird choice for what Broadway wants to have for breakfast blends is takes some preparation man same. He was going to go like hop over to the Jewish bakery, or whatever and grab some food at like ten o'clock. His breakfast five is our bedtime. No He's got to prepare blintzes now. Maybe he made some at the beginning of the week, and he froze them, and then throughout the week ethos. He's good at meal prepping I mean. Gargle. You have to be right right or maybe dream boat. Hey, during the day. Can you pick me up some yeah? That seems more likely craving that I know. I'M GONNA. Want this once I. Wake Up. Need some blitz action Tuesday. When I wake up, I can feel it a Tuesday meal. Alright speaking of Dream Boat. That's good at her apartment. Get a gun safe. She's Craig. It's like honestly her gun safety is lacking okay. Maybe she's getting ready for her shift right I. Mean that's what kind of looks like she's looking in the mirror. She brings her gun. Who See your pen? Her Badge to the inside of her windbreaker is a thing. I've never seen a TV detective. Do they've always got like in the wallet type situation that they can pull? pull out of pocket, but that's Michigan. Open it up and flash her bad. She can flash badge among other things. Ha, boob, stuff the thing about the even if she has a gun safe and she pulled her gun out of the gun safe, she just brings it out and instead of immediately whole stirring it like a professional probably would I don't know. She just sets it on the God damn table. This is how you get shot. Detective remote literally already happened to you several episodes back. Do you not learn like three weeks ago? Lee Doing. Then suddenly Dimona arrives and attacks her. This is nuts. Dimona way you just be superintendents immediately and not even giving. She doesn't say much of anything. She just attacks in jumps through dream. Boat skylights. Just. Raining glass. How does she not get class stuck in their feet? How dream votes neighbor is not start question what the fuck is happening her apartment all the time. What a wonderful question! Girl I! Keep hearing guns going off in your apartment. Yeah, broken glass, and all these other wild things roars. Are you raw renew? Do in your free time Dream Boat. Is. This is the second time in a month. That Dream Boat has been shot in her own home. I loved about this actually was Dimona. Doesn't even like pause to see if she was successful like I poisoned you and guess what the only way that you'll be saved within the next twenty four hours. If you have your Boeing Goliath come, meet me at this place and I will give the antidote to him. Yeah, and so she's doing all this just to get goliath attention. This is crazy. Ex girlfriend shit man is in crazy ex girlfriend shit. I mean she knows that dream. Boat is one of glass weaknesses, so she does always played to people's weaknesses. That's true, and then she just pieces. The fuck out is the. Oh. You've been poisoned. God She's going twenty four hours, and then she calmly looks down at herself and then pulls out her badge and she's a shrug. While it's a good thing. I put that there all the time. That was the most cartoon thing ever like Oh. My badge saved me. That happens all the time and things I mean what a coincidence! She just really wanted to shoot her in the BOOB. Oh God, okay so dream butts fine, and we're going to the clock tower post blintzes. I have to assume and dream though is relaying literally just happened to her. You can't shake this lady. She's like Oh. I was just attacked in my home. A gaping hole in my apartment where windows used to be time to go to work gotta do detective stuff, but like how would you even? Even. Try to explain that I mean I. Guess You could have just called in sick and can't come in today. Yeah I mean. How do you explain that you don't have windows in your top floor apartment anymore? Like what the fuck happened up there? Oh, by the way captain I got shot again, but I'm fine fine fine I. Mean even if she left that part out like Oh. A panther jump through my window. I It was just a really big bird. Window just. happened. God. Nonchalant about it, and of course, our goal is freak. The fuck out. They do I want to play this interaction where she's the only sensible one in the room. Always always lucky for me. The hit my badge. What's the Mona's game this time I? Don't know, but we're going to find out like I'm okay you don't have to go. You know it's a trap. If he doesn't go now. Dimona will know her plan failed. She'll go after you again. We gotTA stop is. How Liz did you notice? She's sitting on some kind of thrown this scene. It's very bizarre. She's holding court. Their little queen. She knows it's a trap. I get that. Get that reference do in Hudson. He's saying that if they don't go after Dimona that Dimona will know that her plan failed then she'll just go after dream boat again and I'm sitting there like she's GonNa go after Dream Bill again and again and again regardless like idiots. The is trying to paint that. We are supposed to believe that the gargoyles aren't always going to be the winners in the end of the day. That's silly. Makes Sense I think it's just the over-simplistic rhetoric here. We don't go fighter. They'll know like it's. Doesn't quite make sense, except for the fact that it seems time and time again we find out that the gargoyles are either all for the revenge or the honor or the I. Know If you don't do this part. You don't have an episode when you sit and think about it like if they didn't go hunt down Dimona. Literally nothing would happen and then demoted stands around like. I guess I just let her die. But who gives a fuck with Dimona thinks about if Dimona thinks that now dream boat is dead then dream boat is safe, right? I don't know it was a week premise to get to I mean what ends up being a really cool series of scenes, and yes, and the whole chase and everything it's cool shit, but getting. There was weak sauce. I would agree with that so lexin Broadway, take dream, boat, home and. and. They're gonNA stay with her until morning. Do you have a question about because like when they're all together? GOLIATHS is like all right Hudson's GonNa. Come with me, Brooklyn? You do this you do that and they talk about. Brooklyn is still very angry. Why is he so angry at Dimona just because she tricked him, okay, I guess is one of those things that he's equally mad with himself. I'm sure for falling for her shed. No blame the woman entirely. Brooklyn now he's. He's on. Why would he be mad at himself? He didn't do anything wrong. The woman tricked him. He's innocent gach. Don't you know about like when women? How they're all bad every single one of them on the planet. Exceptions Okay so Lexin and Broadway take Dream Boat Home, saying and Brooklyn and Bronx get this day. Brooklyn gets to sit on the couch L. Knight. Time Yeah. There's actually made me really happy. He gets to chill even him. It's just like you stay. We don't trust you enough right now, isn't there. Don't trust him, but they. They don't trust his hotheadedness I think, but also. Aren't they going to fight Dimona? Like is that what maybe he was thinking? He'd be too rash because of his anger and. Make stupid choices like trying to be left in a sewer to die repeatedly that kind of stupid choice. Yeah! You're right. That's a dumb thing to say over and over and over again not that anyone would do that okay I. Think you probably equally excited about this? But I was really stoked that we finally get Hudson's episode. Yeah. I took a long time to get there, and it took me a while to realize even though he's the one with a dream sequence in the whole opening that was centered on him, but I was like Oh. This is Hudson's episode finally. Yeah, that whole areas because I'd immediately I was like yeah. It was right here I was like Oh, he's not going to sit on the couch all night. This is turn finally, so Hudson and Goliath. They do what they sent out to do. And they go hunt down Dimona and it's literally a trap like dream. Boat said it was going to be up to Mona gets the drop on them with a laser blaster how she managed to get the drop on them because they knew it was. was going to be a trap. They should have been extra focused my first question during the scene was each time we see Dimona, she has something stronger and bigger and better, regarding weapons so I'd have to assume she's still working with deluxe. How is she getting the Firearms? That was my first thought, but maybe she got it kind of earlier on before we saw her, and she's been storing stuff for stealing stuff from him. Warn. 'cause she doesn't like humans and if she doesn't have to work with them like in this case. I could see that I do like that. She has the laser blaster I like that the visual juxtaposition of Ancient Gargoyles, dragon person with sci-fi blaster from the future That's just a cool look well in like. We've said it's interesting. The Hudson is the only one who's ever armed. Yeah, and it comes very handy here. Like, he is able to use that sword, not only first Swish, swishing. He reflects the fucking laser beam. That was bad ass, Shit. He did I. Don't think it would work in real life. But it was cool that he was able to do that in this. She gets a couple of shots off like you said and immediately takes out Goliath. Yeah, it's so ridiculous to see this guy. He's only as powerful as the episode needs him to be. You're so right like sometimes. He's unstoppable and sometimes he gets shot in the chest and gets like a laser burn. There's no penetration there and then he's out. Stop it, and then he is. Out For the rest of the episode is absurd. He's definitely been hit worse and then like often was fine. He's been knocked from the sky stories down into the ground below. Yeah, and he's just climb back up Hudson. Let's out a dramatic. Dot Yes. And this is win. Hudson pulls a SORTA like you said up to this point he standing i. know like you know you're going into a fight. Pull you fucking now. Man, we do in your warrior for God's Sake I. Mean I know you're old? You remember how to be a warrior. Right Jeez well, and then from here. It just becomes like the Hudson show because Goliath is useless. And now the old one has to like defend the strong one and also drag his ass around everywhere dragged lifeless. Gargoyles corpse to commercial break sounds like a good idea where we will burn him on a pyre! We'll be back. 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Don't know it's fucking cool, though so that's what they do to Goliath here. We come to the Hudson River appropriate and we send off to the great beyond. Right, that's what happens little. I to fight has her so Hudson and Dimona are doing their thing. You brought up the laser blocking earlier before the break. This is where it happens. Listen Piss me off so much why this is absurd. Okay, let me tell you Liz. Hurley is blocked and reflected by Hudson Sword Right. which you think would just destroy the sword, but yes, he doesn't even flinch. He's not knocked back. He's. He doesn't get knocked off his feet. He doesn't react. Okay, that would be fine if the beam didn't then get reflected back to Dimona. who gets blasted off the walking roof? Yeah it hits her gun and she goes flying off in the gun. It makes an impact sound I. Don't know if you've heard this, but the laser heating. The gun makes a think sound like it's light. That's what lasers are. It's a light. Yeah, and go flying off the roof. How does this weapon work? Liz? I need you to explain it to me. It's powerful enough to take down Goliath. Yes, but not powerful enough to even caused Hudson to lose his footing, but also yes powerful enough to knock them off the roof, and also it has a beam that has mass causing an impact, sound and Liz. Do not even get me started on how the beam reflected perfectly off of Hudson's curved blade science fiction. Damn you! You have to admit. It looked cool though. Cool. But, amy very happy to see Hudson be a useful. Be a bad ass and see the champion here. You are one hundred percent correct. It looked awesome. Hudson is the hair with a day. Just give me a little bit of realism with Brandon. Little bit at least consistency in your unrealistic weapon function. Seemed to me that the gun is kind of getting the same treatment that Goliath that depending on what we need for that moment depends on the amount of strength and ask. Maybe Hudson is just like four times as heavy as Dimona well. Yeah, if you look at their sizing that sense, she's got those strong quads. She's very strong Claude's, but like Hudson kind of has like tree trunk legs. Hip Action Hudson is thick. He is thick back in the day. Sure he was a very handsome gargoyles. US quite the Goliath of this time. Something that just crossed my mind. Was the leader of the Royal Clan in ninety four. Yeah, no one bothered to give him a name. glaive has a name. He was given a name but prince. Malcolm wasn't like. Hey, you're Derek. No, you're just old gargoyles, but I have a very good relationship, okay? I've lost the threat of the story in the plot because I'm mad about all of these very stupid things, but that is actually really interesting. Maybe El Capitan gave Goliath the name. Maybe he wasn't I. Don't know I. Don't remember in these flashbacks that we see coming up. If goliath is named like among Dimona in Hudson well regardless, yes, he's able to blast Dimona way and in the meantime picks up, Goliath. This is crazy to and just scurries off. They destroy more skylights. As Hudson and Goliath jump through the roof of this building in fall. What seems like an impossible distance? They fall through multiple floors of the crash crash crash all the way to the basement of this building. What do we talk one hundred and fifty feet, Liming class already been shot, and now he's got at least broken ankle. No wonder he makes Hudson drags, ask the rest of the episode. So Liz throughout the rest of the episode. We're going to be seeing parallels drawn between the present and happen to Prince Malcolm thousand years ago, both were shot as Hudson in Goliath evade Dimona by running around a large scale model of a wooden ship in a basement, and you mentioned this was an opera house or something I was like what is going on here. What makes a lot more sense when you know like oh? That's from like an old show or something. I just thought it was. You know an old old wooden ship. And we get another flashback. Yes, so we're back to the castle waiver in Nineteen eighty-four. No, it's nine. The Catholic. Verne and nine eighty four, and we see that Prince Malcolm is actually still alive. Yeah I thought that he died. Because this is when we learn that the poison is just a regular poison, but like it's enhanced by magic. They need the antidote. The counter spelled counter spell. You know what I got a clip. Let's just listen to. Mega. What is wrong with me? It is poison made virulent by magical spell. Unless a cure is administered. You will die by sunrise. Can you cure? Perhaps if I had the grammar ECHINACEA, the antidote is given only in its pages. You 'cause this. Way were excited than I thought I was going to about baby Maga's. He looks so young and baby like I like. The the actor pitched his voice up a little bit. You know ten years where? He went through puberty. You your girl out in ten years. Let me to. This clip here is where we hear. Princess Pea Pants Really Act completely ridiculous. She goes on like this is all Hudson's fault. It's not Hudson's fault. The fuck, what the fuck! The Hudson do again like wasn't able to stop the magic man like sorry dude, and this is very much evident. Okay? She's got hate in her heart. She's got hit her heart. And that's Fred, because of things from the prince ain't shit like you misbehave. They're gonNA come get you. You instill fear into someone regardless of how else you treat the gargoyles. She's got to hold onto that. That is a very good point. She never brings up the fact that like. Hey, maybe if her dad had just executed, all arch made. Major. None of this would have happened bill and more firm in your rule man. Yeah, so we go outside where Hudson, the leader of the group has formulated a plan. I hope it didn't take him that long to figure this out, but find the arch marriage and get the magic book right I like how he calls it the magic book. He can't say the name. I can't say the name. I can't say the name either. But yeah, it's really interesting here. I found that whole scene fascinating because I enjoyed how they actually make. All the characters look younger. Only been ten years because I assume how Goliath looks now. What have been the same of when he was frozen in time, right? So I mean he aged a lot in those years he has. He's so smooth and like innocent and nice looking in the flashback. Yeah, because they jump back and forth doing these flashbacks and the lines that are on his face now which makes them look chiseled, but also seen how smooth and young he looked in. This was like okay. He went through some rough shit in those ten years that he aged that much I mean you know being a leader? Does that think of Obama remember how much she aged to the office so young being in charge ages. You like crazy. That's why I'm not in charge. My family I'm going to stay young forever. I liked the Keith David was trying to do a young goliath voice while Marina surtees makes zero effort to do young Dimona like i. feel like she was just doing same. She cement calmer like she didn't seem like hateful. At least in her voice, like yeah, she was less intense. That's true I. mean she was still intense? Because the whole time like Goliath unit takeover Goliath, you should be in charge like she's been power-thirsty bitch from the beginning crawl out of his Dick Damone Jesus. But Yeah I did notice the not only that they make Goliath look younger, but his voice was also not rough and gruff. Yeah, he's up here. He's like hey. I'm young. I'm excited about doing things. It's not like Oh, God I'm a leader will yeah. He doesn't have the powerful leader voice for sure I'm Goliath I'm happy. Go Lucky, Guy Guys. But. Can here is that Dimona is actually already significantly older than Goliath. He is a. he's dating a much older woman, oh. I think so. She just thinks that he is her bust way to get the power I mean. They! Love each other I do but she also like I WANNA be second in command. You deserve to be in charge. Why are you already in charge? Okay, so oh. My. Guess she seems so much nicer, and then you calling him ultimate for constantly saying that Hudson is old and can't do his job. Okay, never mind. Anyway, so this is when we find out DELMONICO's plan. She wants to be the leader of the Gargoyles, and not even that like she's making it sound like she wants to be in charge of everything and everyone. She makes some comments about wanting to rule the world. Yes, and that's where she lost me. Listen I respect and ambitious girl boss, Oh sure, but that's absurd lake girl. Do you have any idea how the world works like their governments and militaries and That's where she lost me a little bit league I understand the Dimona wants to be in charge and wants to rule something by come on girl. You're smarter than that. The idea of wanting to rule the world, and then rule the humans, or whatever is just it's. Not Plausible. During this cat and mouse game that they've got going on Dimona is like. Hey, I'm going to be in charge of the Gargoyles and you all swear field e to me and they're like. No, that's absurd. We don't like you. Yeah, and this is where we learned that. She doesn't WanNa be the GARGOYLES litter. She was to rule the gargoyles and as she. She says later on the world which can't express enough. How stupid that is! The the world is terrible everything with Dimona. We get a hint of what she's thinking or what she's planning or what she has been through, and it leaves us with more questions than answers. That's true and her character frustrates me because I feel, she could be so much more. They're never gonNA. Let her I know, but I just feel like they rely too heavily on this lake. She's a power, hungry bitch and she's the bad one. I feel like they're really missing an opportunity of developing her better. Yeah, it would be interesting to see her side of things in one of these interactions like her actual feelings and thoughts on situations. Instead of just us. Viewing the bag is to the lens of Goliath and company. Anyway, that was my little tangent. So what? What happens next Hudson and Goliath escape? She starts sweeping across the room. Room with the laser blaster, just blowing everything up and Hudson Drags Goliath out a window up industry level, and then they make their way to the sewers where I. Don't know if you knew this lisp can't fly in the sewers Dan, you can't even glide which depending on whose writing this. What the Gargoyles will say that I feel like delmonico's big flaw is that she always underestimates the gargoyles. Specially always underestimates Hudson. Because, he's old. You see yeah, very old, though that is GonNa. Be Her downfall in this I think I mean it is. We know that already, but. So they're in the sewers, and they just start chatting about. Hey, remember all that shit. Let's flashback as crazy. Let's talk about that. And I guess because Goliath is like burly functioning right now. That's the only thing that they really could do in this like. Let me keep dragging you. Let's talk about this thing that happened two thousand years ago. It's like you see in a movie when someone gets shot and their partners like just hold on, and they start talking to start. Remember how you only you're gonNA open that Deli you going to retire, and you can open the Deli in Newark. Just tell me more about that. Just talk to me. It's like remember when Goliath want an open and daily work. That was all I just made that up. That was really good, right. Yeah and I. Think this time it was Hudson being like. Don't worry buddy. We've been through worse. We've made it through and let's look at. Let's speak in great detail. About the time with the arch marriage, which takes us to that time, the mates, okay, so we're going back in time. Go back in time. Back to the future. So, the trio of Dimona Hudson in Goliath they pretty easily find the trail of Archie. The Arch Midge well Dimona. We I see her just crawling up glides, asked about Oh you should be the leader because Hudson's old, and you're young and hot near the new hip guy. Is Like House not the time we are busy, we are busy and Hudson can hear all those. Like this fucking bitch, he's just looking over shutter. Like screw you. I'm sixty five. In, Gargle years I'm a baby. This is not the time Dimona we are doing something. We're on a mission and trying to figure out where to go and what to do. We are at work. We will discuss this at home, but we get to see that Hudson has some great skills like he is a good tracker. Yeah, I mean he is, but also I mean you can spot those footprints from a half a mile away. But he had the inside of like. Oh, he's either trying to trick us or he was in such a rush that he was trying to use speed instead of stealth. He has like he's working through these different things. I'm like. Oh, he's being a leader, so Liz, they follow arches footprints to this crazy hideout that has got which is either in exquisitely decorated cave or underground museum, and being that you are our resident expert in Scottish carvings. Perhaps you could explain what these giant statues are in this underground. Underground, wonderland well educate me, please in my expert opinion. It has to be regarding the history of Magic Oh in its entirety all of the histories of all the magic. Okay, all right. That's why it so intricate. It's a visual history book so to speak Dimona like gasps when she looks at one of them in a hotel, if it was a gargoyles or a person, but like someone was getting a staff like right through them I think it was a gargoyles. I think the hand, little little wings maybe. Also the history of humans and gargle interaction. Yeah, it's where that they really gave this. I was very confused. Yeah, and it's definitely missed opportunity, because where are they? What is this really cool place this? She just seemed too easy to me. It starts out with some carvings paintings on the walls, and they go farther in, and then there's these huge like statues carved into the walls of what ends up being gigantic cavern type situation. Yeah, it looks like Druid type stuff. Maybe history magic is exactly right. I mean you're the expert I. I don't know, but it's there inside of a mountain core Nellie deep deep underground. They could've made that so much cooler instead of just being confusing space, and they get to archie, and he's in fucking castle gray skull like you mentioned just this giant skull shaped building with fire in the windows. It's amazing and we just pay it no mind. Yeah, there's this awesome stone building deep under this mountain. But we gotta fight a wizard, so we won't really get into that. And then archie shots at some weird spell shoots fucking laters out of a book. The what's how does magic work in the show? However, they needed to as most things. Yes, damn cartoons! Well! It's just interesting because I'm assuming that this is the book that that Maga's has ten years later. Yes, it is the Greek Ringel Larkin Noricum. Yes, exactly that. We never see him to cool things like that. All he does is turn people stone. Yeah, his book doesn't shoot lasers. It did have a cool light show when they first turned the Gargoyles to stone, I just assumed that was part of the stone spell. Yeah, I mean I guess the different spells have different lighting effects. Which is dramatics? Yeah, anyway, and then we go back to the future like the movie I mentioned earlier. Remember that movie yeah. Goliath this. He thinks he's on the cusp of death like I. Don't understand. He's boohooing nonstop this entire episode like just leave me. Leave me, he's got what is essentially a very localized sunburn, and he's weak and maybe he's thinking Oh. I can just wait here by myself. To turn to stone to heal, or does he think I'm dead I? mean if Hudson leaves him. He's dead because Dimona will just run by and the shoot him in the face and keep into. Get Hudson right because she's on their tails and Hudson's like for the last fucking time do come coming with me. Shut up and I'm like. Thank you, Hudson, we've all been shouting at our television screens for glad to shut up about this like. Oh, just leave me, so you can save yourself when well? And I mean if you're Hudson and your leader starts talking like this. You're like wow. I made a bad choice thousand years ago now this little crybaby. And he's. He's just allowing Hudson. Drag Him. He's not even trying to walk on his own Olympic. He was shot in the chest Liz. How's IT affected his legs? I don't get. It doesn't make any sense hop here. Big Boy, loincloth and fucking do something. It'd be pulled up his clock. After you kind of have to? Keep pulled it up. Huge gargoyles balls flop out, yeah. So, don't pull it up to highs arms. Keep it covered. Do, you think they've got like a diaper type? Situation Sewn up in their like underpants. Are you think they're just free ball and Scottish? So you think it just be free ball and that's a fair point through. So they've got their dicks flapping in the running from Dimona and she finds them yet again because she is really the one that's good. She has them cornered in a real fugitive situation. You ever see the fugitive. who was this reference for their clearly referencing the fugitive in this children's? program. That doesn't have a lot of adult crossover I mean it was for me twenty five years later, but at the time. Why did they bother? It's great worked perfectly. I- Hudson's like I didn't kill my wife. I don't care I. Mean Dimona said I mean. She checked every hen house every outhouse every doghouse. She found him. Was We're talking about the fugitive, because Hudson and Goliath dive off of A. Why is there a waterfall in the sewer? What is happening here of new? York City. This is the second inexplicable waterfall. In the show we're only eleven. Episodes in this series is discovered and waterfall. Maybe to the writers New York City is like butted up to vast wild nature. And how far they travel, because they went into the sewers and like Brooklyn. Liz Hudson and Goliath dive down a waterfall, and they're rescued all of the fugitive, yes, and. got nothing else so I think we just need to take an ad break because this is while I, appreciate it I, love it. It's nuts. We'll be back. Hey there listeners? Are you into male bad ass, leading ladies, and happily ever after then checkout another great calamity cast podcast Dick the week where I chat with my other two co host everything we love in sometimes about both writing and reading romance novels, so grab a glass of wine. Get comfortable, and let's get down and dirty about romance. Find It on, calamity. Dot Com wherever you find your podcast. Let's go back to that Scott Cave in ninety four. I was GONNA. Say BBC but it's not eighty. It's AC DC. This is very cool. Fight scene between the trio of Gargoyles and archie the arch marriage and what I liked about it was that he is a formidable foe. What I didn't like about it was sometimes. He needs to say the spell needs. Needs to shout his spell other times. He doesn't sometimes the lasers come from his hands, sometimes the book. Yeah, and maybe they just wanted to mix it visually. I thought it was inconsistent. Maybe it's like once you say the spell once you can just continue using it until you're done or maybe this X. amount of time that you can blast the book whatever? I don't know this whole scene was really cool visually, but it was like five seconds of a fight, and then they won and. A little too quickly. This guy is fucking bad ass, and like because they like moved to the side, he just tumbles in down and dies. We'll see a ranged fighter in the gargoyles are close up fighters. Someone's. They got into close. He was done and I guess that makes sense as soon as the Gargoyles were closer to him. Obviously, they're stronger. Yeah, this is. The book was removed from his hands. It's not like he can continue to blast them. That's true. He'd seems like he did need to have the actual book. This is not Harry Potter rules. That is actually consistent to earlier when Dimona had goliath. Goliath under control. Yeah, she had to have the book enhanced for him to listen to her so I. Guess It is a decently consistent. Yes, you have to have the book in your hands in order for these smells to work impressive. So as you mentioned. This fight goes by very quickly. Archie gets through Hudson antimony. You can't stop that youthful swagger of a young Goliath, he he manages to knock the book out of his hand down a conveniently placed chasm yet, but he is quicker than physics, and he jumps down, and he catches it, and then just scary is back up the side of the wall. As he does all the time. As you mentioned. He steps okay so so funny. Archie comes running with a stalagmite or tight. Could you tell was? That a tighter might originally I can't tell because he was just holding it sideways. That's the job. And then Goliath just like you said earlier glances sidesteps them, and he just rose right off the engine that chasm like a. Cartoon character. And it was that moment when I was like really it was easy. Something should have happened like he should have tumbled into. Dimona like almost goes over and catches the edge because he has claws, and he just keeps tumbling like I. Feel like it should have been at least that this was so funny. I kept going back watching it. Like, a rag doll just over the side, it was so hilarious. Well all right. You fight to win I mean I got blasted by magic, but I'm good. Let's go get blasted by magic, and literally nothing happens to them. Yeah, but Goliath gets hit by a one laser and is shut up Liz okay. Got Him Out Because the still manages to be a good episode is a good I know we're. We're hurricane on the not so great things for this episode, but overall. It was a good episode. Yeah, a lot of it has to do with this insane that we're about to get into the cemetery. The classic cemetery showdown Hudson is literally dragging Goliath into a mausoleum and Goliath is still just let her killing me man game over man game over, and we're like. Oh my God, get over it to. Do now you can tell that he's that stereotypical man like e with the slightest hint of a cold and you're just like. Me? Over at this point, yeah, usually just fucking. Stay here. You'll be fine. You just need to make it to sunrise, so he starts going on and Goliath is all. You can't. You can't do it alone and beaner. You can't face her. Because then Hudson replies notes. y'All I can face her in the dramatic pause. I just can't beat her and then scurries out to fight, and you know glow. Know with that attitude cuts Jesus Chris. You're almost as bad as now. You're selling yourself short about to find out. You're a fucking warrior. Yeah, some dramatic music plays and he goes out to phase Dimona he thinks this is a fight. He can win and he's GonNa go down swinging, but I would say that he wins this fight. We're not there yet, but. I think the important thing. Here is the amount in the flashback. They kept talking about how he's wise. And like yes, he's older, but like that gives experience, and he thinks things through a lot, and because that's exactly what happens here. He seems like he's just mostly doing more cat and mouse darting around continuously is trying to find him doing things, but really it's because he was wasting. Wasting time. Yeah, he was watching the clock. Yeah, on which was really an important wrist. Clyde legates shows that like even when he's in this frantic craziness. He still thinking like four steps ahead. It's really cool, and it shows like yeah. He was a bad ass leader back into his day. So this fighting. This is like the thing that we've all been waiting for the entire episode. Hudson is here to prove. He's still got gas in the tank. And we see his really fast reaction times and catlike reflexes as he takes on Dimona, who is much younger and also very agile. And we've got some weight on. She is kind of like your cat. Woman of the gargoyles world I feel like if she's very. Agile near the way you said is correct. Yes, she's very agile. Like she's probably done some yoga and her day. Just taking a zoom class. She's very light on her feet. She's good at what she does in. What she does is try to kill Hudson. She almost succeeds, but you know. He catches her reflection in sword when he goes out to face her, and some cool dodging maneuvers, and he's got like these cool flips and shit that he's doing doing spins his Bob and weave, and he's dodging these laser blasts, and he's not going to back with sword, and not flinching at all which we've already gone over that fucking thing maybe like A. A Magic Sword, because it fucking cut through a stone statue was so cool. It was fucking awesome, but I was like okay. Wait as I get. What is this sort? He owns it daily. Yeah, maybe not daily feeling. They're gonNA. Wear your played down time and time again. We've talked about why the fuck don't. The other girls have a weapon and he loves it so much here, yeah? Yeah the importance of having that melee weapon and being good at it. We don't see in practice with the sword, but I assume he's putting our to in every single day. Food fight it keeps going and going and and Hudson. He's more on the defensive than than the offensive side Italy, but it's because as you said he's just trying to buy time and Dimona I feel like yet. Yet again. It's her underestimating people all the time. She thinks she has the upper hand the whole entire time, and because he's not actively really fighting her. Yeah, so she jumps twenty feet in the air to the roof of the mausoleum, and this is another bit of evidence pointing towards they are cats. Yeah, you don't see this kind of vertical leap with a lot of other animal types. Like, you do with cats, you know. Yeah. Cats are crazy. And, she's got those skills. Yeah, she's got the twenty foot. Vertical leap although Hudson follows. Are there yeah, they're up on the rue fighting and we cut to. Goliath is like oh no! I got to do something. And this is when we learned. This motherfucker cannot only walk in his own, but he can climb. A building was doing the whole time. You can tell takes a lot of energy out of him because he's like slumped down, but he still did it dude Weiner. Has That Shit? You put Hudson through walking on your own. Or at least assisted, you could have been on your own feet out. And goliath being goliath tries to think that he can talk some sense into Dimona goes. Let's just use our words to figure this out man we don't need to. New to use physical violence man. Feeling to Mona. Tell us what's in your heart and Liz. What's in her heart is? She wants to kill some Gargoyles, even though there's only like seven total bright. She knocks Goliath down. She knocks Hudson down and she's about to blast them again in Hudson lays out his plan. But I know something. You don't something that comes with A. I know how to we. Know! The clouds part, and suddenly the sun is in the sky boom new statues us again. Dimona give it up. This sequence here. The clouds immediately partying like they did in the sun, just being there. It led me to an interesting question. They sleep when the sun comes out. But what if it's dark and dreary all day if they lived in Seattle? What if they lived in Seattle? It was raining all day and they never saw the sun. Would they be awake at noon I? Don't think so because the sun is still up, but what we saw was the rain clouds disappear in the sun was in the sky wasn't a sequence where we saw the sun. Come up, well, yeah, so it looked as if the sun had been there, clouds moved, sunlight touched gargoyles, flesh in everything turned to stone. Interesting say they lived in Alaska in. The month of total darkness, or whatever or vice versa, would they just never get to sleep? Yeah, that would really got hurt. Yeah, you'd be like well. Dressed for the next month or you know you get closer to the Arctic Circle, and it's daylight for you know twenty five hours a day or or weeks on end or however works I'm not a scientologist. I don't know these things. would. They just never wake up I. Don't know. Is it based on the rotation of the Earth or is it just based on their skin like? Is The stone really bad sunburn? I'm guessing it's based on the rotation of the earth than this sequence didn't make any sense because that's was up the like Oh. Oh, sorry. To end this episode. Oh pardon, yeah, no, it would have made more sense at the sun were lower. Yeah, this is one of the inconsistent parts in this episode. Anyway they're stone and that leads us to another flashback. Yeah, where we see that. The princess saved Princeton. Die Princess Pants still a dickhead. What is that about? Hey, gargoyles that you hate just saved your dad slash uncle slash whenever he is. Everything is fine and we cut outside and to Mona's crawling up glides again about taking over as leader. He doesn't want to Dimona back off, but as soon as Hudson's like will actually I agree and I think I should retire and Goliath. You should be the leader. Like okay guys, but does say that he requires Hudson to still like have a leadership role of those not glance number two. At least he isn't ninety four right so who knows what happens in those ten years? I just wonder if that's really what glass wanted or if he just felt pressured by Dimona and then Hudson, he seemed like reluctant to leader. He's like you know what I don't know. If I am ready to lead. Yeah, in the two of them are like, but you're gonNA, no choice in the matter. And that's the end of the flashback story. Everything worked out except for the princess is still an asshole for reasons. We cut back to the cemetery in the present and Liz I couldn't help, but notice the gun turn to stone. Did one, but Sodas Hudson sort every night or every day. Although. He's had that for thousand years so. What if there's a situation where Goliath dream boat were hugging. PG hugging train in the tunnel hugging. Huge finger air quotes hugging. Does she turn to stone? I mean if you have a stone Dick, any who I sit hugging. Monster. Items turned to stone if they're being held logically that leap that a person to would. Would make sense that's wild I think about that is wild, or maybe it's just inanimate objects. Yeah I. Mean that would probably make more sense. But like what if they were hugging and she's like Ohio. I'm trapped. All Day Long. It's just in the stone embrace. She can't link wiggle out of. She can't call for help because then. Excuse me detective with the Fucker you doing to that statue. Why are your pants down? What is going on? She really awkward. I swear I can explain. It's going to involve magic dinosaurs, but just follow me elements adventure okay. Can we finish this episode. So Demont does now win, but she's like Oh. Did You idiots forget? I poison your friends. She's totally dead. And, then she just fucking for us. This really weird could call. Like. Implies off. She flies off clubbing though. Shots. She's so ridiculous. Yeah, route a personal. Thought, into. Your she's. She's so. Intentionally, dramatic it's awesome. Like you. But I want you're? Just like well all right. They. Say something along the lines of I don't think we should tell to Moan of the dream boats to live like yeah, why would you do that? What are you talking about reading in Texture Jokes on you Dimona send her up a Selfie. Episode ends with going thinking Hudson for keeping him alive. Yeah, even though like half a dozen times. was like just leave me to die I. Don't deserve to live cats and to have been like you're right. You Dumb, fuck! You don't deserve to live with your I am. Well, news just interesting. Because last episode it was all about like deluxe feeling inferior, and like he's off his game, and like Ha. I'm back got it and this time it was Hudson being like? You? Know I still get hardwood. But this has made the comment. He's like you know. I forgot that I am still a warrior can still do this. In is like yeah I knew you could. which if you knew that this time? Why do you make them stay at home all the time because someone's got guard, the police station with all of the police an aunt. Liz Bronx gets lonely. Bronx just needs a POW they fly off into the night. They fist-bump, and they go get some blintzes, and that's the end of the episode. We're GONNA. Take One more break. WE'RE GONNA FINISH UP LIZ. In the year twenty one hundred euros, cybernetic enhanced population threatened to tear down everything. America held dear free speech, drive-thru, liquor, stores and guns so many guns. After much deliberation, it was decided that if America and superior values what to survive the coming robot, there was only one option. Get the fuck up. The next hundred years, so the construction of Space America the galaxies newest brightest star. If you value adventure, good times, and Cyborg fistfights find your place in Space Merica. Space Merica. No cyborgs NITA bind subscribe to Space America on Apple podcast. Google PODCASTS STITCHER OR CHECKOUT CALAMITY CAST DOT COM. Liz We're back. We had finished gargoyles episode eleven long way to morning Liz. I enjoyed this episode. What did you think of this episode? I really did like it's like obviously like we talked about their several things that weren't quite consistent or didn't quite make sense, but all in all I really enjoyed it, so has anyone told Dimona about tanks? Battleships because she wants to take over the world with like four gargoyles and a laser gun. Yeah, I feel like she doesn't understand how the world works I. Don't know if she's been misinformed or just assumes nothing has changed over a thousand years. or how could that be literally holding lasers? No, that's actually. Maybe. She thinks she's the only one that has that. She's so smart in such a good leader sometimes and then she does stupid shit like this. Where like? She doesn't think ahead the way that Hudson can think ahead many steps. She doesn't think at all. Sometimes someone needs to tell her about Sidewinder missiles because she is not an position to be conquering. Anything I feel like they're playing with that women's stereotype of like. They think what their emotions and they can't be trusted, and they're not good leaders. And I feel like they're really playing that up with her. She's just the emotional hot head. Yeah, and it's weird to see it. Man I want to say. It's weird to see in a script written by a woman, because like women can make mistakes to. Ask, you got a right to whatever you know, producers and directors of the show, but it's just it hoped for a little bit more nuance from someone who you know you'd assume has a firmer grasp on what it's like to be a minority in a group of people whether it be writers in Hollywood. Gargoyles right and it's a shame that I assume that she just had to kind of right to type. I'm just wildly speculating, but you know at this point. There's ten other episodes Dimona being. Suddenly change her character because you don't like what they've already developed, yeah! We've brought a few times, but can't leave before. Bringing up the fact that the princess in nine eighty four has her father's life saved by these Gargoyles, and then nine ninety four is in the great, Hall Calling Them Monsters and beasts. She doesn't want them in the building. Yeah, what happened? I know in those ten years where the gargoyles are still irredeemable. Their their role is literally to protect her. Yeah, every day they're castle has survived this long. Molly attacks because of the GARGOYLES. It's just weird to see that kind of hate and a child down, and then have it continue and confers yeah. I'm hoping we will continue to get more flashbacks. Yeah, I would like to see everything fleshed out because what happened back. Then what we saw in this episode was really interesting. who was the arch major before he was trying to take over? Was He trusted? was he a trusted adviser like the Maga's or possibly? Bagai Jaffar kind of situation well and has always. We are left with more questions. That is a real bummer. I always want more than they give me and it's one of the things like we're still early on. So. We can hope that as we continue on. We get those answers, but for me. That's always a difficult part of watching things I. WanNa know now. And, then I have to restrict myself from getting onto like the Gargoyles Wiki or whatever. We can't do. that. I will fire you. That's a fireball. It's time in our show. How goals? This has been another episode of finish the night. We did it another one in the bag. As we do with every episode, we have to thank you McGowan four composing the interstitial music. You've heard throughout the show. It's great. It's lovely. Check him out on Instagram and twitter at easy underscore breezy, underscore Mac, and by now you know how to spell that and you're all already following him. And don't forget to listen to his band. Good deeds at good deed music band Camp Dot Com. HOW LEAVE AT US! If you, WanNa talk, gargoyles or your favorite Harrison. 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Billy Bob Thornton, 'Goliath'

Popcorn with Peter Travers

21:15 min | 1 year ago

Billy Bob Thornton, 'Goliath'

"Hello everybody I M Peter Travers this do you must be having a good time I actually am that's why would be Kinda go there everyday and it'd be myself and a lot of ways show runner executive producer and director he directs all the episodes You know I've been on things where they have wonderful directors but all this kind of thing so it's a fight with somebody and you already went through was in on episode six of something and and I I don't I don't do that so you know and the way to something that Randall in tents or you just come from murder scene or whatever it is oh when I'm eating a ham sandwich as I do when I just murdered my uncle I can give you that it's going to be the same thing my best line said I've been drunk since seven thirty this morning this it had a real the deficit that I've got to watch have had a kind everything and do you have do you play a role in that about what it's thing the other actors and seeds about here's here's what the case is this year here's who the people are going to because as you know sure whole new thing is going to go on well the first season you know is more court I mean a lot less court this season there's a not just a lawyer he's always been kind of a detective in a way I mean sir this really sort of what the character is I never ask you this do you take that approach take him home he's just the part of who you are will in terms of where I really feel like the things were happening to me I mean I feel like I am that guy now but one way or the other I with this character like I said let's get to what they get two however they want to I think that sometimes though in my left foot I think he probably had to because uh-huh you tried yeah I've had a couple you and you go to downtown La on Fifth Street where there are the cardboard houses and all this kind of and you spend the night there. I think that that if you haven't been homeless you're never going to to know it because oh how many money I have nobody to call the actor sleeping in the cardboard box collect life and had some hearts good word for now you're on the Hollywood Walk Fain is yours in a good place is John Smith started I'm just making a name up he's at early I got it in two thousand four and I'm right between right in front of the Kodak Theater are in that area so that's what it is and I'm between tonight yeah could you really could be with John Smith. They're not liking Goliath or something that really can't happen but you you've been around out to La in nineteen eighty one in June of nineteen eighty-one ORC. I with my buddy Tom we we left town yeah that was the seventy seven and we stayed ten hours and we had like this nightmarish day here and we just went home into World War Two I said County and which was style time the biggest green and water and we stayed ten hours and then we I've been gone like two and a half weeks and she said I thought time that you were there that turns you off New York will it was just one remember that movie was a Movie Day in New York is everything in the world wind it up I you come into Chinatown Lincoln tunnel right so and by some Italian restaurant but it wasn't like a nice Italian restaurants a red dress who we weren't found a parking spot and we just parked there miracle enough because we wanted when we were seven eight blocks on down the road and just started missile city walk you out and we ended up trying to get a cab back we mm-hmm and and and we said look we we looked at the meter and it was like that's a lot of money we'd better right we'll get you exactly and we finally get another cab and it was I mean really Alireza Guy you know and we obviously have been driving here forever there's a big tall guy and address and all this kind of stuff I think goes oh a happy ending in a way look don't know why you were so turned off the way you described home we you know hung out for a couple of months and then we've it's like we're afraid to go to L. A. so he went to and we lived with my aunt and uncle I from Mexico who Michael Border Patrol Guy and this guy would come air and me and Tom on waterbed and a room that was so tiny and Augustine they're in this thing and Augustine had nightmares almost every night you're into other sort of nightmare vision of how you stayed there working inching eventually I stayed done in Mexico for a while and we snuck into La after it's all a blank page you have no idea what's really going to happen now you have I started that story with your star on the Hollywood all doing it behind your house because that's what happens but this you miss the days when you were coming up or whatever or you complain you're coming up you have your dreams or so alive you had dreams and you have to find a way to keep your some comes indefinite it's exactly and so that's what I try to do written in a while or that move you'll come along that is going to Ebbert is I still think it's out there and if and if you keep thinking that has also been not just is wonderful kind of deadpan humor with you yes it's it's what you WanNa do you had that you still have the the baby box mattress scary and terrifying yeah for me and over sergeant pepper all his records and Jeff passed away about eight months

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Episode 203: Without Trust There Can Be No Clan

Defenders Of The Night

56:18 min | 3 months ago

Episode 203: Without Trust There Can Be No Clan

"We are defenders of the nights the most trusted source for top to bottom coverage of everyone's favourite mid-nineties animated program a Gargoyles. Finish voice in my gargoyles tonight I am your host Daniel Williams and I am your host Eliza. Pointed, ourselves with our thumbs because we're cool. Is that how you introduce yourself to everybody? Hi, I'm Liz especially on Mike when no one can see me it's me your Powell. Daniel. And yes, we do. Exactly like he's ingredient right then. Very cool. Yes. Yeah. Liz Today we are covering gargoyles season two episode three and it's called legion. This was a weird one. Weird one did felt very nineties and I can't wait to talk about it. This episode aired September Sixth Nineteen ninety-five. We're still doing the daily episodes thing. Do we think it's just GonNa be the first week of that. Sure I don't know. We'll see. It was once again directed by Parx. Three in a row and we've got new rulers pair of new writers, Marty, Isenberg in Robert scurr interesting in now Liz I. Don't know if you're familiar with me Eisenberg, but he's another guy that has spent a lot of time writing for animation. He's done Batman the a series he did did you ever watch the beetlejuice cartoon or you're too young for that? I ever watched it? Okay. Well, he did X. Men the animated series and Spiderman the animated series. He's done a lot of shit. Yeah. Those some really jumped out to me, Robert Skirt did a lot of similar stuff. It seems like these guys kind of all run in the same pack you know X. Men Batman Spiderman again, he did transformers beast machines. Did you ever watch that you mentioned that too I vaguely remember some transformer show anyway. So that's those guys. Now, listeners Liz walked in today with a new challenge that she wants me to share with everybody. Come up with these I have just learned that if defenders received just three new five star reviews this week. Liz as agreed to get a ham sandwich tattooed on her but. Listeners three five star reviews, and you can help make Liz tattooed dreams come true. Don't ask why she wants Hams on her hands. That's what people call bud. Maybe we should get into the episode I. think that's a good idea. So we start on a river were assuming the Hudson we're Dono I just made that up i. have no idea I don't even know how many rivers are too sure. There's the east and the Hudson I know that for sure. Somebody who knows New York way better than we do how many reside there I mean, what did they want us to do? They want us to look up an encyclopedia how would we find out this information I don't know I. Don't want to know. Well, I have to say that before the episode even started when they were showing like the previously on got excited. Because obviously, this episode was going to be focusing on Goldstone. I am really glad that the show didn't wait too long to bring cold stone back me too because that was what the last episode of the season Yes. So it's only been two inbetween. Yeah. So that's nice. I was really worried that it was going to be like end of the season again. Yeah. Liz this immediately raised a very, very crucial question for me. Why couldn't Goliath find de q he was pretty much right where he fell I know he didn't move. He was right by the bridge in a pile of he. He's just laying there. Feel. Like Goliath didn't even try dove in with his eyes closed. And came back maybe he realized he couldn't swim. Go got gathering horrible idea. You didn't know he couldn't swim until he dove and he's like Oh. This is harder than it looks can't fly down here. I'm so glide can he's known stingray? bummed me out. That was supposed to be your pal and he was right there. Right. So we see tq systems are a rebooting and I'm not entirely sure what is happening here didn't know either we go inside his brain or his head or whatever, and we get to see a couple other gargoyles that we've never met before I wasn't sure if this is supposed to be some kind of memory sequence or was he dreaming, it's really unclear but we don't learn until later on is that what we see in his brain happens in the future we see things that are going to happen for real later on. I thought it was flashbacks to things that happened in Scotland it is until mysterious dude gargoyles is like you can't trust him. He's going to steal your girl, and then that sequence actually happens when we go into Goldstone's brain later So that was weird. Yeah I know I'm spoiling stuff here and I'm all out of order already but it don't know what's going on here at all or in his brain memories dreams I'm thinking it's the future. No. Okay. Okay. I'm guessing because you see this woman and Goliath like hugging yeah, I think I think it's actually comforting her I. Think. That's just how gargoyles are. Just, intimate folk. Yeah. If this were in the past like I thought it was then he was Dimona I don't think it was anything scandalous but there's random asked gargoyles convincing goldstone like you can't trust your brother. He's after your woman it was very weird I do understand when what else has happened in this history here that he'd be like Oh. Yeah you're right. Goliath. Who Do something like that? We're not doing a very good job of describing what's happened here because we're like getting into the details of it. So we go into the memories or the dream, and there is cold stone and we see Goliath and then these two unnamed Gargoyles I don't think they ever get named one is obviously Colston's lady. Yeah. Partner is excited to see a lady who wasn't Dimona yeah. No kidding and then the other is just a guy and this guy, he's Being sneaky, he's being he's trying to turn Goldstone against Goliath or in the past this happened that much is unclear being very devious. You're absolutely right. That's the perfect word for it I don't know what to what end like. I don't know why he's manipulating. Colston like this. I don't get it either because Goliath seems like a one woman type of guy. So especially when that woman is demoniac see no, she would not put up with that shit she found out she's tearing your Dick. In. This dream devious guy has convinced de cue that glide is fucking around and so they fight and this is what I was saying a minute ago because we see this same fight, we see it later on. and The lady swoops down and she tries to break it up. He shoves her yeah I'd be unhappy. Yeah. That's not cool. I didn't know we were going to be dealing with partner abuse in this episode no kidding and he likes slams her against us. We're cliff thing I don't like it. We need a little bit of content warning here. Gargoyles Jesus. So then we flashback to current New York and apparently diku system has finished rebooting and he flies off he goes to a place called the Golden Cup, which is not a small batch artisanal coffee rose street, but a secret weapons facility which weird first off. But also they all are in a big room working on their individual projects and it's like someone with a laser doing something right next to someone like doing some weird gadgetry thing on his neck someone else doing this sounds really dangerous goes like shouldn't you have some sort of separation? They need cubicles totally. Safe cubicles need gargoyles proof glass because just crashes through and attacks. Yeah. And he's drawn laser fire from the armed guards and we don't know what this is about because we cut away. Has We do this season. Yeah, and jumped in the clock tower. Hey, there any wake they are. They did spare me the wake obscene. WE CUT STRAIGHT TO LEXINGTON GETTING SOME SWEET NEW TECH FROM DREAM FROM DREAM BOAT? Yeah. What is this is it looks like a telemarketers headset. Yeah. That is what it looks like but he is like he adds a virtual reality thing we've got a clip well, listen to the clip and it'll tell us it's called recap reconnaissance emergency cyber automated probe. It's just a machine for dealing with high risk situations just a machine. Just the latest in robotics technology hooked to virtual reality virtual reality the next best thing to being there come on. Like. You said it's a virtual reality headset do Hickey, I just always love it when Goliath learns a new term and he just sound. So confused reality. Watch the seem twice and I was just as confused as he was air. Well, I mean none of that matters because what stick you up to. Make these seen slightly longer and a bit more cohesive, and we could stop at the jumping back and forth I wonder if it's specifically the structure who's doing that, and that is interesting. 'cause that's been to episodes in a row now of a very jumpy, very jumpy. Deka still attacking the row story and. I think he was he woke up from a long nap and he wanted his cup of coffee do not talk to dairy queen before he's had his coffee I mean fair. Okay. So he's taken out his goons, right? Loose. Yeah and he's making his way to some kind of Cybercafe like. What I wish that is episodes weren't so confusing about what's going on as it's happening yeah. He crashes in to hack the system do some illegal download maybe getting on Napster I duNNo. I assume from the GECKO that deluxe is controlling him because jokes like he made him right. So I'm guessing that something he was rebooted and like had a mission or whatever detailed the him that he had delayed go follow like I don't know how Robo Gargoyles work. You didn't take that class in college. No, I missed that one. So you think that deluxe let him lay at the bottom of the Hudson river for three episodes for it's like, oh My CYBORG. Thing like he hit find my Cyborg on his iphone I think that's exactly what happened. Okay. All right. He's sister when juster rebooting on its own what I feel like you would have to have failed Gargoyles cybernetics. Set I wasn't smart enough to drop it. I destroyed failed. Because I don't feel like he would wake up and be like go break into this place I've never heard of before on his own you're not wrong but that's what this episode wants us to think yet, and that's that's what's confusing in weird about it I mean we're five minutes in I have no idea what anyone's motivations are or what's going on now I agree. So he breaks into a specific room and like plugs something of him into the machine to start downloading would ever information's on metallic attracts? Yeah. Two thousand to seven years in the future for this. Wow that's impressive. I don't know how time works. So the guard people are making their way in and you just like picks up the whole fucking tower and just throws throws the servants out. Like. There might have been valuable information and you know you destroyed man what if that was the second one you're supposed to get into like, oh, now wasn't just the one I didn't read the whole list of instruction. Well. As we cut to outside of the Rowe Street where nerds are being loaded into an ambulance because de Qaeda's went on a bully tear just beaten up these dorks out and Dream Boat in Matt a rolling out the recap virtual reality robot. This is their new toy. Yes. It's just a robot. Camera. Yeah. So Matt puts on this Goofy visor and he's like I can see everything recap sees it's just a isn't that like a closed circuit television or whatever the just a camera yeah. Instead of going to a screen, it's going to his goggles yet. There's nothing virtual reality about it right? It's not like he's in there with it. No I mean he can talk through it. Police and got a microphone and a Speaker Yeah. ooh, it's a baby monitor. Babe. Yeah. Exactly. It's a baby monitor on wheels. Attached fucking baby monitor remote control car. Yes. That is exactly what they've done and like future is now. It was a simpler time in the nineties. Did you recognize the logo? All right. All right. I can't remember the name of the company, but it's the same beetle logo that was on the tracker. Yeah. The deluxe put on Goliath and what does it episode three? Yeah. Yeah isn't that one of his companies is this is our clue like if you're paying attention, you know immediately who made that? Yeah. You would think that it would be known to the police what companies deluxe is part of and they don't like him. So why would they be like? Give me your tech fucking dream boat definitely knows because she's the one that found that shit out. She. Using this as. A giant logo on the robot hit Dream Boat sometimes you're really bad detective. It's hard to see. That's really hard to take in like Oh sometimes she's awful at her job also, did you notice like she's been really really Sassy to Matt this whole time I you might not remember that remember that. Yeah. I. Just I, She just seemed really short with him and just use a doofus doofus but like he didn't even do anything all that do facie yet and she was just like, okay. Thank. You just like off the badges of really aggressive towards all right Sassy comet down so. We move inside with recap and this police robot starts with tear-gas hazing. And we are in a particular political climate nowadays, and I started watching this at the very different Lens and. This is uncomfortable because cult zone is a gargoyles but. Voiced by a black man and I was just like getting all these. Stone is confused. He having some mental health issues. One might say because I mean the one thing that we really talked about is like he keeps having moments of clarity and then being where am I was happening then like is being controlled again. Yeah. So watching this scene in the summer of twenty twenty, it was really like uncomfortable. It is weird that the robot just immediately throws tear gas like there's no hesitancy and I guess like I even tried tear where they teargassing this Cyborg because at this point Matt is convinced that there are actual gargoyles but so far is only seeing the robotic ones he. Did, see cold stone in glide fighting in the street he was there. Okay. So he's seen the real deal. Yeah. Remember when the oil's came out of watching Bambi and they were throwing hubcaps and stuff like he's he's seen most of the gang. Yeah. But he's seen this one specifically who shot lasers out of his arm. So I you know what Matt's do Fus and fuck the police moving on. Well, I'm not at work because obviously D. Q. is going to be able to take down a tiny little robot that can't do much of anything launches countermeasures by shooting recap with an arm later. Yes and I guess. This is the virtual reality part because take shoots recap with the laser we cut outside were Matt Screams When he was hurt by the laser, you mean to tell me that this robot was built with its own pain receptors and then those are somehow connected to the person wearing the headset I was thinking it was more like somehow made his part of it short circuit in like shocked him but. that. Doesn't make any sense. I think magister the little wiener and he got scared it's like. I've definitely done that when something scares me, I'll say. That didn't hurt I. Know Scared my heart. and. Then deke throws the robot through the wall like fuck you other robot and then he goes fruit. flies off luckily glass and Lexington were nearby they track him Goliath he gets on national move rookery brother alive. Like, we're all you know. We are all born in the same rookery like what does it? What does it take? Did I think it's a different generation Oh you? Actually born to go. The same clutch of eggs. Yeah. They say Mommy. So is what the fuck is going on I. Don't even know surprisingly they don't get into a fight were nice. I was shocked me honest. They're happy see each other and this is when Q. is having a moment of clarity. Glides is like, Hey, buddy come back to the clock tower beer friend and Lexington is like a glass. I don't mean to like step on your toes but is a good idea. That's really funny like Goliath is trying to have your tried to befriend a stray cat he's A. Still. Coming. It's five. Do you want to come home with me? To go home and let's like, Hey, cats clearly gary. Just a fun little thing. I, was doing. and See I love it. So. Glad. Is like fuck you on charge and he brings cold stone to the clock tower which you know on the fence about whether or not that was a good idea. You might be a good idea. My immediate thought was, oh, God d Q. is owned and created by deluxe is GonNa finally know where they live now they don't bring it up here but that absolutely makes sense I didn't even consider that that's going to say, yeah. But there was never anything that came up like you said didn't seem important in this episode reasons. So then we're in the clock tower. And, obviously, all the youngsters are like. They are a little uncomfortable Tibi ferrets like okay like we've seen this dude attack us and we know that he is only alive because of Dimona and deluxe. Yeah. So I mean I think it's warranted there little little onshore I. Think. Brooklyn is one to talk because after getting Bazooka. Dimona. He fucking goes back and he's like Oh hey, maybe we should team up and magic goliath remember that remember that Brooklyn we all fucking make mistakes man. Barely in this episode. Yeah. But he's one of the no I I know this is like the Goliath in Lexington. Why does the LEXIN didn't get a lot of players episode because used Tuck Guy? He's the tech guy he is the Donatello Hudson on the other hand is all over cold stone is like Hey Buddy give us in the middle. Yeah. GRANDPA. Hudson was into it. pop-up Hudson Anyway. So suddenly de cubits really confused. Yeah and he doesn't know where he is and he isn't sure about gladys his cyber is it's like blinking weirdly yeah and he freaks out and takes off and everyone's confused except for Lexington Yeah? How about we take a listen? was that all about each me think something's wrong inside his head. And I know how to find out what how, how do you know how to fucking fix? This would even know how do you even know what's going on? Let alone fix it. He watches a lot of youtube videos I guess. He's got a subscription to popular mechanics may yeah it's going past what I'm willing to believe Lexington is capable of yeah. It was one thing when he was able to fucking bill motorcycle in like a day he rebuilt a helicopter like six hours and now he knows cyborgs. Yeah you know he's asked. Mart. As now like I'm GonNa say no and I don't like that they're writing him to be so super intelligent lazy honestly, and it just doesn't make sense. So D Q takes. Off and he's just like panic flying. He doesn't know where his head and he doesn't know where he laughed and he gets somewhere. He just drops out of the sky. I can't remember if his little jet boosters actually shut off or what happens but he drops out of the sky and Goliath and Hudson. They were kind of trying to catch up figure out what was going on. Yeah. We'll get the weird blinky I again from D. Q. and his voice goes super robot in e. Right this is the point that I was thinking that deluxe was doing something like override his system turns out. I was wrong by that's what I was initially thinking like deluxe was gaining control of him again or something. Well, this is when the series ends because he blasts Goliath in the chest and as we all know Goliath did not take a laser blast to the chest and he dies in the show's over cut the black jumped too bad well. Yes, you're right fine. We'll be right the. A hunky hero and a fantastic leading lady to be brought to live with love and loss cast indulge in radio drama filled to the Brim with romance laughed and all those wonderful moments become a new relationship and don't forget those delicious sexy part Romance Novels Fun to enjoy. Season One of eleven is available now at calamity cast dot com or anywhere that you can find podcast. And we are. We are at our favorite Bruce St the Golden Cup roasters. So the police escorting helmet goon to a police cruiser really know why they were arresting people. Maybe it's actually like illegal thing that's going on in they're like they're like, oh. Cool. We were answering last call but here we are catching this illegal operation who knows it's hard to say these are different helmet goons from deluxe his helmet goons because we learn later on again I keep jumping way too far head but there was some corporate espionage going on. So. Matt Andrine Mbo are doing detective things like burning hand on hot metal because Matt is an idiot disturb. What is Johnny Mak can only detective if he touches everything. He's a very tactile learner. Matt you're kidding you're fucking fingerprints everywhere no don't worry I burn them off. Lexington Kohl's dream boat using their little headset thing. Yeah and we get to learn a little bit what's going on with you? Let's take a listen what's up NEX creature. You're looking for his cold stone I. Guess that witnesses say he tried to steal data from these files, but he picked the wrong computer tap into was full of government defense specs for top secret weapons. So they protected with a powerful new computer virus capable of wiping out any unfamiliar program it infects that explains a lot but look how fucked it Lexington know this because he hacked the system. He's fucking thirteen thirty, seven Lee Hacksaw. Liz He's rolling with Angelina. Jolie. I feel like Lexington be scared by Angelina Jolie especially in the nineties. Deka was trying to steal files. Yes. WOULD IT TURNS OUT BUT WHY? Like I feel like I'm so lost? Yeah. This episode we said at the beginning it's weird and it's messy I just don't feel like the plot makes sense all Liz it doesn't. Even a little bit like on the surface it's fun. But if you think about more than five seconds, you're like, this is nothing they're just like let's do some cool weird techie. Shit what happens here to D Q as it turns out is basically his brain gets hacked twice because whatever the fuck To this facility it to begin with, and then once he gets in there and he tries to steal the files he gets hacked by government malware. Yeah. So here's the. Weird virus thing going on and that's why he keeps slipping in and out of himself in doing weird shit. Okay and it's a good thing Lexington knew that and yeah, that's Lexington. So from there, we move back to wherever it was the DU landed and he is having a meltdown. Yeah. From not knowing how he got there too trying to laser blasts Hudson Goliath some more and it's really sad to watch. Yeah whatever he's experiencing kind of looks like a mental breakdown or PTSD or something. You know where he just kind of have a break from reality and moments of clarity, and then you're like Oh my God like what did I do I'm so sorry I'm so sorry and then immediately snapping back to the aggressive version I'm glad to Goliath and Hudson aren't trying to fight. They're like, whoa man I don't know what's going on and we want to help you not like let's stab him with our swords and throw them off a cliff because initially they were ready to fight. When they saw that he was going back and forth between regular him and evil him, they're like, okay. Something's weird is happening right? They're playing defense they're not trying to do harm. They're just trying to protect themselves. Yes. This bit is good. I don't like how cold stone got to his problems. It is having right now but seeing Hudson and Goliath deal with him. I felt like that was good writing. Yes. Good I feel like whenever they actually utilize Hudson. It's good a lot of the Times. Yeah. It makes sense that he's got more years under his belt. He's not that he's seen this before, but he has experienced share dealing with all kinds of weird situation. Totally. Keeping. An open mind to what's going on and showing little bit of compassion That's cool. I agree the younger ones though not as nice to be fair their main experiences but d cue have been he attacked us last time we were around him like a couple of episodes ago and did they know him? They had to have known him right especially if he was this close with Goliath. So he was there as glide and went looking for the Vikings. He was one of the last people the Goliath spoke to before he left. So they actually know him at all they do which doesn't make any sense because of course they would know him. Yeah. They all lived at the castle together at the same time. Right what makes this kind of hard to connect with that is we don't see Goldstone in the awakening series at all. It doesn't make sense. We don't see him there because he was clearly like just out of frame right? Like someone cropped him out of a picture. Like no, that's my tail. Lem Right there. That's my it's okay. So the Brogue oils they go searching for D Q in Hudson Goliath and I mean it could take all night. There's this entire city to go over I mean where? There's lasers it's over there. Yeah. Yeah. There's just like lasers. On an island so they went back to the island. Not, Barnum. What luck. Yeah. He still in the midst of freak out. and Broadway just like, Ooh, like tackles him down. Yeah. It's pretty aggressive because he knocks dbq. and. That's not good for your brain. Even if you are part robot cuts permanent damage you're talking about and he's already going through some shifts. So at this point, Lexington knows exactly what to do. Cool he read dicky's manual, right? It really is like he did read his manual because he takes his little headset thing and plugs a directly into his neck. How did you is what that is four? That's the audio out. He's using Q. Like an old school ipod. He just wants some sweet tunes think no guys I need my thinking music. He's got a hacking mix that he really wants to play. I wouldn't be surprised. So while this cool weird stuff is going on with the hackers Angelina Jolie shows up. We cut back to the GODDAMN roaster again. Yeah and Matt is doing inventory of the recap equipment. And some who are missing? Yeah he realized something's missing. Just see dream boat behind him being like. I don't. Know why? Why would they be missing as? A. must've taken a and he's like I go. So when he was a good thing, I have this Handy Dandy GPS finder on. This is look like Oh fuck. How did she not know that that was a possibility that these things were trackable I guess because it's Matt's tweeted not hers she knows the company that made this also made trackers. Is. Dream drunk on the job like what's happening here? I don't know this is really out of character for her yeah. Okay. Well. So from there, we jump back to the rooftop. All the GARGOYLES are and Lexington is already like right. I'm Nosey Equipment I'm going in and glides is like exactly you know the equipment you need to be out here humanity the equipment I will go in and you'll make sure that nothing bad happens what dude who is going to run this if not? Lexington goes in and they're like. I don't know. Should we stay? We don't know what to do now and I like how they all. They didn't move called stone. They just did it on the rooftop know it's probably safe. Yeah. Hope it doesn't take until morning you dip shits. Yeah. Hey, disclose don't turn back to stone discount still get to enjoy the sunrays on face. I don't know how that work you just part stone robot. that'd be so joyful for oil to be like the sun is fucking awesome. I need. So bright out. Anyway. What what what the Hell's going on here they're going inside the computer. The most nineties shit ever accused mind. Palace. Literally. Come on the castle my palace to thing the remembering stuff I know and it's also a literal again it. Boy Sometimes, she just disappoints. You're, so clever Daniel. To. All right. So here's what we finally get a believable virtual reality situation. Now like that other shit earlier in the episode where it was literally just a closed circuit TV feed this door kicks. So, we're in a barren land there's the mind palace in the distance. Okay. As goliath begins to make the trek to the castle, the ground opens up and Kasulu rears his ancient tentacles and prepares to strike from the Nether World Scary Mine Palace. It's terrifying. Then a bridge appears. Yeah. Who is controlling his mind palace? The virus. The virus is like A. Never mind going you find go ahead. Here's a bridge. Scared you with tentacles but I guess it's kind of cool that like the actual virus is like a monster destroying shit but. So Goliath, he strolls up to the castle where Goddamn virtual deluxe appears to talk goliath second time. Monty python the holy grail. You know what don't act like A. Reference Daniel isn't I actually do get a lot of them. You don't I know. But one, I understand the holy grail the French guy. I will taunt you for a second time. Let's go to an advert. Good Transition. Thanks for listening help others find our show by rating and reviewing on I tunes checkout calamity cast dot com for even more content and follow us on facebook twitter and Instagram to get in touch and let us know how we're doing. If discord your things join our server. If you like what you hear and you want to help keep the lights on, consider becoming a regular calamity cast contributor on patriotic or if you'd like to make a one time donation, you can do so at pay pal dot me forward slash clarity cast. We appreciate your support and your donations truly make a difference. Everyone we are back we are in cues, mind grapes, and. Like we said before the break it's fucking deluxe. Yeah. Okay. I'm really confused by this. So he's giant. Yeah. I. Apparently don't understand this episode because I like I'm just kind of annoyed that it ends up being connected to deluxe. Yeah like Goliath couldn't get a new enemy if his fucking life depended on it. Yeah. So it's not really deluxe it's a computer program inside of. Mind that sounds and looks like deluxe because he's a fucking narcissist. So of course, right? Apparently though he's not the most pressing issue right now because he's actually here to explain what the fuck is going on and it's about time someone did yeah let's take less than okay. Goldstone was created by a combination of science and sorcery. The Magical Energy has merged with the cybernetic systems that make up his mind. My primary directive was to enslave cold stones because that opposes will, but the viruses stopped me. Can See. Slowly, devour everything. So as we kind of hinted at earlier, the Khufu who's he? What's is virus nets, the malware from earlier that we talked about the government hacked. Brain, because D Q hack them first. So fuck you kinda thing. Yeah. It was an anti hacking hacking and it's GonNa destroy all of decoys brain space. Yes. Yikes. So goliath you know is getting trapped by the virus it's wrapped around him like tentacles or whatever and tugging out just then three gargoyles come out of their stone they wakeup. Yeah. They had to give it to somehow right? Yeah and so we see D- Q. and nameless lady and Rando Dude the dude who we've seen this whole time is the one who keeps trying to convince d q glide has vowed this guy is clearly veal yes and this bit of the scene plays out like the opening sequence when we go into the dreams lash memory or whatever, and that's why I kept saying that because plays out nearly identical to what we saw earlier. So this is what made me wonder is d q clairvoyance you know how did he look into future? Yeah it's all very confusing. Yes. Not Clear at all but this is when we learned that he was created by the stoned of multiple gargoyles and that's why the The lady and the other guy apparently trapped in his brain for with him forever and I made a joke about this in episode thirteen about like how did they know which parts were cold stones? Yeah. Because it's just a big pile rock and they didn't as it turns out, they took random rox. Doesn't. Goldstone have like a boob or one of the ladies horns. Maybe it's all on his head and it none of it's actually a physical missed opportunity. I guess they would kind of give away the line on the when they make Kohl's down is not like they had this in mind because if they did, they did not flesh the idea out enough. So yeah, he's made from different parts of these various gargoyles in. It's kind of impressive that they only use three rate. It only took three and he's like seventy five gargoyles in there. So League gargoyles jumps down to greet Goliath they're hugging and greeting each other and everything and the other gargoyles still like sealed stone go I is after your lady. Give it a rest. Glide is just a hugger. Yeah. Some people are huggers me I am not do not touch me. In the real world. And goliath are covered in like magical electricity I don't know what this is supposed to be. No fucking clue. So dumb like is that what hacking looks like in the gargoyles universe? Bathed in magic with a K. I. Don't know maybe that's because like he was created between a mix of magic and science. So maybe that's the magic Plana role. That works for me. LEXINGTON GETS A call from dream O on his headset because Matt is hot on their tail. Yes. He has picked up the signal of these stolen recap gear and Oh, it turns out they've been on Ellis Island the whole time. Where they always go sometimes it's liberty and Liberty Island, but they're like right next to each other I don't know the geography of New York City refused to look it up on Google maps same I have to assume it's too little islands right next to each other and they just kind of one or the other. Yeah. So Matt's tracking the stolen gear like I said and they called in a swat team. Yeah. Can they do that I don't know because he's just a detective and You know dream would have been against that. So I'm thinking Matt thinks that she's full shit she's compromised. He's seen that she clearly knows more about the gargoyles she's letting on. So Matt went to captain. Pantsuit was like I, need a swat team they stole my robots stuff and she's just fine. Go Away is the robot that important now that's what I don't understand like I'm sure it's expensive for the team's not even the whole robot it's just a headset he really disliked the shades. Well. Mike Atherton tries to get Goliath to wake up because they gotta Boogie, and when you try to fuck with the magical glowing cargo oil, you're going to get electrocuted. So they just have to stand watch basically and hope that whatever is going on inside of cold stone gets resolved before swat shows up with automatic weapons. Yikes. So then from there, we go back into the mind palace and the nameless lady who Daniel has apparently dubbed lady four weeks. WHO's better lady four local. Is trying to keep glides from falling because he's still has the tentacle things wrapped around in from the virus and being tugged, and she's trying to get them to go up with her and it's failing but they're holding on and comes down and. Aggressive consent of make fun of her it's weird. He's like. fucking. Not that it's not that explicit, you know we don't really know much about this woman that all but she convinces d Q. US I believe to trust her here. Let's take a listen to what she does. Blind I know why you come to his defense my love for you is eternal. And Goliath is not your enemy but your brother and true friend he has deceived you. He has set you against Goliath as to a thousand years ago. Try to remember. Memories are clouded. Why should I trust you if you can't trust me? Then, trust your heart. Okay. Four Loko Convinces d q everything's Okay Hey I love you baby. It's fine. We're goliath tonight we're just friends and then here comes fucking earring gargoyles and he merges with the deluxe software. Yeah. Like what is happening here? So earing and the deluxe software are already part of. Internal System, right. So is this an accident? Is this due to the virus being involved? Is there like some sort of mutation going on so to speak or is this just a thing that deluxe software can do whenever it wants to override or merge or whatever that seems really dangerous for cold stones future made me wonder like this Google even exist in real life or is this like a deluxe created thing? That's a really good question because what they tell us in the truth are not often the same. You know the L. is a hearing. Oil is part of de q because of being made from different parts and whatever. But dogs is also in the Torius Liar. Yeah so That's a that's a fair question to ask, Liz. Yeah. So did you ever watch power rangers eligible bed? It was never a preferred show in the house. So the earing deluxe gargoyles hybrid a get gigantic. Yeah. Just like in power rangers wherever for whatever reason the monsters always grew really big. Yeah and they easily dispatch dairy queen and Goliath because it's lady four Loko that urine in Gargoyles truly after he says merged with me sister. What Yeah? and. Specially like a sex thing, I don't know. But like I understand what they're rookery brothers and sisters, and all of that they're not actually necessarily brothers and sisters. But if you really come onto woman, please don't call her sister mood with me sister and that's my go-to line. With. WORKS EVERY TIME Enough okay. Routes. Yuck okay. So that all happened and we don't even know why like what? He has no motivations he just he wants to. Binge might see what this is like i. feel like all the stuff would matter more to me if we'd literally seeing these characters ever before. Like, I have no connection to any of those that has a lot of the problem with Gargoyles. In general we only know the main characters in then they bring in these secondary characters that seem like there's a real importance and they they ascribe all of these are important aspects of their relationships with the Gargoyles, but it doesn't feel genuine. Yeah. It's a huge flaw in this program in general. Yes. So all this weird flirty or whatever the fuck is happening. No. No thank you meanwhile back outside the walls are trying to redirect the police force. Yeah. Leave that area alone go away. Shoe. They actually trying to seek votes they just trying to distract I can't quite recall. I, think just distract. Back, inside of de Cue's mind graves come to a head. Get it. All right ear goal is trying to convince four Loko that they're totally in love why fight it baby just merge with Oh She's like no, she's not having any of this shit. She bites his big stupid hand like an angry catch because. As someone who has blood? Yes, very accurate and you know that feel yes. So four Loko know she gets her teeth on earring bites down hard and he's like ou out. Because the suck on the wound is like Shit stings, and that's all of our tiny baby goliath and d q they're free they scatter. Yeah. They scare off. and. Hulu comes up and grabs hold of giant earing deluxe Gargoyles, evil ironman hybrid, and they pull him down to the Netherworld of de Cue's mind space. It's all weird. Are they still in dairy queen though like as are they future problem? Well, who knows every everything's possible? Yeah. The end here which we are fast approaching is very sad but in the meantime, the viruses literally destroying everything inside dairy Queens. Mind Yup and I was worried that this is the last the we're GONNA see. Dairy Queen. Because his mind is basically falling apart right right. We'll be interesting to see if he comes back or not like I guess we could search and see if this actors in any more episodes but that's cheating I don't want to cheat so okay his brains are falling apart dairy queens like Goliath you have to get the fuck Outta here man you gotta live so all glide has to do is pull a plug like what does he have to do to get out I don't They don't really show it. He just is like now I'm free. Yeah. Okay. All right. So goliath is free and four Loko Indecu we're going to fight the virus. Yeah. They decide they. They love each other. So they WANNA stick with each other and if that means the virus kills them both at least they have each other. Oh, they they lose is ultimately what happens now we're not quite there yet, but that's action. Goliath gets out and that's good because the cops are like on their ass yeah. Matt is all excited. He's like. I'm right on top of them GONNA catch him. Yeah. GOING TO BE D- Q. and he's so excited he finally you know it'd be like see. Oils and the headset is there and there's just like a rat scampering over. Dream Boat. It's just like the looks like a route to me. The. Loch ness monster you've beaten me once more exactly. Man is a doofus. Yes. Then we cut to castle wider got utterly confused. Yeah. Something something deluxe was behind it all along. This is the corporate espionage that I brought up. The deluxe was stealing coffee secrets government secrets about about coffee and something something computer virus. Yeah. So he didn't actually get any of the secret, but he's like. Secrets about specifically weapons I think and he's like it's okay to the plan worked out this way because now he has all this information about the virus and he's like this is the deadliest virus ever existed and now it's mine. Maha door yeah I don't know I just like saying that's even a worse weapon. Yeah. I mean unless you could make like a really powerful poisoned coffee bean. So does that mean that there's someone who works for the government? WHO'S SMARTER THAN? Deluxe. They came up with this cool virus and deluxe had to steal it instead of coming up with it on his own. Yeah. What this show is showing us without telling us is that there are a lot of people that are smarter than deluxe. He's smart and Reggie smart and rich, but he's not the smartest guy he just either hires people smarter than him or steals from them. Yes. All right. What this show desperately NEEDS IS NEW VILLAINS ENTIRELY UNRELATED TO DELUXE HIS PLANS That conversation last week tail. Yeah. Because it always goes back to them even with macbeth you know the like everybody is attached to deluxe in someway just he's not that. Great. Yeah. But we have our very lesson in the clock tower. Did they just bring? To sit in the corner and the clock tower seems like that's kind of the vibes him getting. Yeah. I mean they would have to because otherwise his body would have been laying there. Yeah. I, mean, what else do you take him back to deluxe fuck that now but this comes back to your point than earlier where deluxe has control of d Q. So now he kinda has to know where the Gargoyles live, right? Yeah, which isn't talked about yet I'm sure that will be a thing we go into dairy queens consciousness to see him flying with four Loko hand in hand. Over like a sea of Catholic virus. Yeah. They're love will last forever but they're trapped in his mind. They can never land down they land they die out how do they do that? It's really. It's fucking depressing. That's the end the episode. Well. Let's cut for one more ad break I guess and then. Come back and talk about this a little bit more. I'm Adam and I'm Daniel we've got a great show in the clammy cast network. It's called the Black Lodge complaint department, and every week we are going to discuss everyone's favourite show when peaks. So that sounds terrible Adam and I've never seen twin peaks. That's the point listen along as we go over the entire series from the perspective of a longtime fan and a person that. David Lynch for no good reason. It's GONNA be Great. Yes it is. So subscribe now to the Black Lodge complaint department on Apple podcast Google play stitcher and check US OUT AT CALAMITY DOT com. And we are. Kids was a weird on. The. Mess. Ended on serious low note. was. What the hell man with this did you like this episode No. The whole concept like a again like I said, it's a very nineties thing. But the whole concept of the computer going into the computer I think is interesting. I just don't think anything about this episode really made any sense to me. I would agree I. would agree also that it didn't make sense to me I agree that it makes sense to you also didn't make sense to me. I'm not used to being confused during an entire episode and I am very much as I have a person that like I want to know what's happening as it's happening like I don't like the big reveal. This entire time? Oh, she's like I don't get it white and I was like I don't think this is on purpose. I. Think is just about done well. It wants you to assume that deluxe is involved because he's involved in everything. So I don't know that's boring. We've done sixteen episodes where he's been the villain in every single one. Yeah either directly or indirectly I'm just I need some fresh blood I, keep saying I need a new villain someone that's not tied to what we've seen at what type of villain do you think would want I want I would love someone that would make. Like turn into a villain who is justified because you know he's a cop, they are a menace and he's also their best friend detective partner in Matt's going on a secret crusade to like bring them in or take them. With. Dream about and the GARGOYLES? Yeah. That'd be really interesting. They're showing that a little bit more now, we wouldn't episodes without any MAC is he spoke her rolling what's happening but I we've been seeing that more and they've been slightly plane on the lake him trying to prove the existence of the gargoyles like actually see them up close and all that, and I can't tell if he hates them or is intrigued by them or what exactly he's at but I feel like that is something that they should be developing more angry. It's like what would do if he found a big hit? Liz I was really excited to see new gargling. ooh On for them to be basically figments of. Imagination really pissed me off. Yeah. Because I feel like there's no room for developing that then. They're stuck in his brain castle. Cool. They don't even have fucking names like I have no connection to these girls at all I gotta assume these are one and done characters. Why would we ever see them again? Right? They don't have physical bodies. So you had mentioned in the past episode about how the animation is a lot worse I? Feel. I. Was a little disappointed. Especially there were there were so many facial expression things happening and I feel like it wasn't as crisp as things that happened in season one was looking walkie. Yeah. I wasn't sure of because it was in their dreamworld thing that was part of it or are especially knows when they were. In the room castle. So not a good intrigue into season two. I wonder when we feel this way about an episode, how much they have to do with the director versus the Writers Yeah like an animation? What do we pin that on? You know because we liked episode one season two. And last week's was okay I feel like season two for me is like an assessment, a decline. Yeah, but there's so many episodes in season two I'm not super worried about it, but the first three has gone down in my personal enjoyment every week. So that's great. But I wonder, is it because of the writers like who has kind of final say on a story? Yeah I know this is what I'm trying to say because if all had the same. Director and I've had lots of different feelings about these three episodes. So maybe it has nothing to do with the director as far as the story Quality Yeah Sam, curious animation director like do they work with the voice actors? She'll like direct their performance has got to be part of it but how do they deal with the animators? No no out of animation receipts. I don't know that might be worth some research. We're not big on research on defenders of the night, but that might be worth looking into. Yeah. Maybe next week we'll have initial bring it back. We'll tell all of our listeners who themselves armpit research. Any final thoughts here's open for next week yeah. No kidding. I'll. Right. Well, we hope you enjoyed this week's defenders on the night as always. 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Episode 113: Its Alive!

Defenders Of The Night

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Episode 113: Its Alive!

"As the host of defenders of the night and official representatives of the clammy cast network Daniel and I would like to make it clear that we and all that we represent as podcasters in humans are firmly on Waverley, anti-racist as a couple of white people drenched in societal privilege. We will never understand what it means to be black in America. Instead we will listen. We will learn, and we will grow to become better allies in the fight. Fight for equality, there is a lot of darkness in the world, and we hope are goofy show about nineties. Cartoon can bring you a little laughter during the fight, but we are by no means a distraction. Never forget that black men and boys are again being lynched. People of color are still being gunned down by police and Briana Taylor's killers are still free to put it bluntly. All black lives matter fuck racism and fuck the police. moved. We Are Defenders Day. The most trusted source for top to bottom coverage of everyone's favorite mid-nineties animated program because God. Who that's. I I've never watched the show. I am your host Daniel Williams and I am your other host Liz. Urkel Liz we did it. We watched a season of gargoyles this season for. Only thirteen episodes, but you know what that's okay. Yeah, today we are covering season one episode thirteen of Gargoyles reawakening the full circle here. Yeah, really just finished on a high note with these. Tell me more Liz. This episode aired February Third Nineteen, ninety five. It was directed by Subaru Hashimoto in Toronto and it was written by I'm beginning to think my favorite gargoyles writer. Brin Chandler reaves. She's doing it right. Yes, this episode, just going to spoil it right now. MAZING is definitely a good way to end a season Homma. God so much emotion so much pay those. It was a really. I loved it. Which is a great? How much we hated the last one kidding rollercoaster with some of these episodes man, would you just go screaming down at the bottom with episode twelve? The season finale takes us back up to that crest, and then yes, I, guess you I. Don't Know How rollercoasters work I. Guess You gotTa. Go Back Down. Must We. Before we dive into this family of Gargoyles? We to ask everyone listening to leave a five star rating and review on your podcast of choice. Can you do that? We'd love to expand our audience. Our our Powell's WanNa see some ratings and reviews. Come on how we know you're listening, because we are the best, and only as far as I'm concerned cargo podcast. I'm not willing to believe that anyone has ever done a podcast about anything. Even related to cartoons. Let alone gargoyles. I'm pretty sure. This is new territory. Well, you know we are ground breakers and all that there's one thing you gotta. Know about me, Liz. Don't do research now you don't. That's my, I don't even watch. These episodes I make these notes up entirely. How are they pretty good there, you, you are Neyla net with that accuracy just comes to me. Shall we I? Guess I've been rambling a long time. All right well, our episode starts in the. Streets of New York City. Where a small little mom and pop shop is being held up for apparently the third time that month. Yeah, this burglar. This rubber I don't know are they did the same thing it doesn't matter. He takes off down the street a successful robbery. stor? Yeah, I don't know why I assumed it was Christmas Eve that doesn't make any sense and it was snowing. It gave me Christmas Eve vibes and I mean we've better follow this guy because I'm sure that he's going to play a very integral role in the plot of the story, right, you'd think no. Is. Actually we follow him. And then we overshoot it and we travel back in time a thousand years, so we go back to nine ninety four ad. Scotland were being taken back to the ninth at Goliath and not yet Hudson attempt to track down the Vikings. We all remember those guys because it takes so we really are ending where we started. Yeah, because and put that together yeah. Anyway I have to say anytime. It's a Brennan episode and we do a flashback. I get really excited because she. She doesn't really well, she does the show really well. Yeah, we are seeing new parts of this story, which I always am a fan of I hate when we flash back to something in any TV, show and you see the same thing over and over again like the audiences the same thing, but a new character is introduced. Introduced to the information I'm like no, no, no, yeah! If you're not showing the audience something new, don't do it. Yeah, exactly and this did this gave us new stuff. This is great. We are introduced to a whole new character new gargoyles. Yeah, this is nuts. Mere seconds into this episode. We have to immediately pause for everyone's favorite podcasts within a podcast, calamity cast very own lizards favorite show that she's never seen star Trek next generation I was curious. If this voice actor was star person or not, yeah, it's a long title for a show. We should probably shorten a little bit, but we're introduced to like I said a new gargoyles voiced by iconic shampoo salesman Michael Dorn. You know Michael Dorn Right. You know Neutrogena. T GEL NEUTROGENA. It works. Tell me more about Michael, Doran well famous as he is for. The shampoo commercials, he also maybe known for portraying starfleet very favorite klingon. Security. Chief, WARF. Gave, you heard of that character. You've never heard of WARF KLINGON warrior. Left champion. Jesus. Not only was he on the starship enterprise for seven seasons, but he actually crossed over to deep space nine. Did you know that at least now? Why would you said you never heard of the character? It was a dumb question. Liz I'm sure you knew this fact about warfare character that you never even heard of before right? Yes, Deanna troi character play by Marina Surtees, Dimona. She in wharf. Were lovers on Star Trek. Aboard the starship enterprise, it seemed like they had a little something something going on. Yeah, so Goldstone and Dimona in another universe totally ban. So goliath prepping to hunt Vikings which we know, he and Hudson go. We've seen that before. They don't succeed Dimona being Dimona and Anti all of those, and then suddenly the Magus shows up. You're all suck. Goo You need to go in do. Get them. Before they come back. PISS my robes. ooh, oh! God, he's standing on the wall of this popped out of nowhere. Go to your job. Dude. What I'm doing, I'm getting hats unready. Do. We need to do and stop the Vikings. I'm a little boy. It's weird that he said that on children. I know so Dimona and new guy whose name we don't know yet are talking about. Why are we spending our time and energy going after these vikings when these humans don't even appreciate US Moral Dimona Song? Yeah, not Hudson stress up the he does a Strut. He's just stares, and he delivers this line or guard criminal more. Stop protecting the castle in breathing the Air Am. Am I wrong in assuming that the Gargoyles as a clan have been around long before the castle has been there. I believe Dimona says as much yeah, maybe he's saying like it's inaugurals blood to protect period. What he says the castle we find out later that this is apparently like Hudson slogan. Yeah, there's like you says all the time and they are broke oils. Just like okay. We get at Grandma spouting off of this bullshit again. I don't like that line because we know that the gargoyles have been there long before the castle was built, and it kind of makes Hudson sound a little bit like a collaborator to an extent. We are here to protect and serve the humans in this castle, and it's like no man. You're not used to be free. Yeah, that makes sense. To think about this. Well, that's the end of that scene would jump back to present time. Rogue Oil's going out for a movie. I appreciate that they finally acknowledged that they live above a police station. Like why do we need to protect this space? The police are there. Not much can really happen to you up there. It's the thing I've been saying for weeks the Brooklyn. He lays it out perfectly Hudson we live above a police station. What could happen? He says it because they asked if he wants to go. See this new movie. That's coming out and Hudson's like. Why would I go to a movie theater? It's going to be on cable eventual eventually and I'm just going to jump ahead there. Watching Bambi I've never seen Bambi. Bambi did not come out in one thousand, nine, hundred five, so this whole conversation of like Oh why would I go? It'll be on cable soon. What when did it become out like the forties nine hundred forty two? You know Hudson just doesn't want to go out. That's fine. Someone's gotTa protect the castle. Some inconsistencies here I mean why not say at least was ninety five Aladdin the act. You think, Aladdin. Done fucking Little Mermaid and it would've made more sense than Bambi. For their movie and Hudson staying in with a warm blanket and a hot chocolate and dream boat just shows up to say hey, she can tell. The glider is grumpy. He's standing on the other side of the clock face brooding brutally. Route to Dream Boat I didn't like it. I didn't understand these vibes at. Group and taking it out on her for no reason. Why did something happen between them that I forgot about in a previous episode lake. Also before she shows up. He's smiling at the brogue oils, and you know the interaction between them and Hudson He. The camera cuts the camera whenever the camera cuts to him and he's like these guys. This is my family is. What a fun bunch! And then they leave and he's like I. Can brew can't let the Children See Daddy angry. Yes? Maybe you know what it was. Maybe it's because she never fucking calls I. Just shows up. Maybe maybe he thinks he deserves better. She drops in every night. She doesn't knock. She's just like. She doesn't care if I'm in the mood or I, maybe she should just get to work. It's real cold shoulder shit, you know. But then mood like snap changes again. Yeah, because she's like okay, yeah gotta get to work. She's like Oh, you seem upset then he's mad at her. She's like whatever it's fine. Work by, and she does the whole police model like. Protect and serve and like suddenly. He's wait what tell me more. What is this like? Spend on this price? And maybe he's just being broody because he doesn't have his castle to protect, so he feels like what is my purpose like why? Why am I here like? My whole concept of my existence isn't being used anymore so now what it seems like that kind of attitude should have popped up earlier in the season them yeah, not episode thirteen suddenly. Who's just like who was the meaning of life? What am I doing? Real your vibes. He does your vibes in general sometimes so he gets really fucking excited about this whole protecting and serving the public thing, and just like can I come? She's like sure I wouldn't go. To work like typical like dude fashion. He doesn't ask is like I. Think I'm GonNa come with you. Maybe I'M GONNA. Come with you and she's like. I'm on my shift like I'm working and they have a partner now. Am I supposed to just like have Matt Not Notice you? It's where that he's so excited about this now, and he never considered like. Maybe protecting serve like what did he think? She did I don't know because she explained what a detective was on episode two. She's brought this up. You know what I do. Have you not been listening to me for months? I mean obviously not. It's time for work. I always think it's weird and this show where there. You think that we're going to follow logical trail. Okay. Now it's time to go to work, so we go to work now. It's work now. We go to Castle Wibran. Weird Dr Frankenstein style lab situation happening Layton unabashed and Frankenstein action here. and. We see that there's some sort of body on a bed, covered Dimona, doing weird witchcraft stuff, and because doing his science stuff. What is she doing? Oh She knows magic now. She just knows it right because before that she had to have. The book is still the good. Then the get the book. But gargoyles got the book back to wait, but maybe it stayed at the castle. Maybe they didn't bring it with them when they left the castle because I don't happen when they were still living at the cast. No, no, no, no, no, they broke in, remember in own tried to stop them Yeah, it's not like they gave the book back yeah. Dimona just knows magic, apparently Dimona house whatever skills they need her to have, and they say that it's like a mixture of science and magic or whatever, but we don't see the magic part. She has like A. Kind of thing where she's like ads all mixed up, and then we see her like sprinkling the sparkly powder over the body, I must have missed. That must have been looking away because I was like I see a skull with a candle on it and I guess some incense burning. David was just like you know what this lab needs. School handles. The fuck do. This castle in the the building that holds it up. It's a mind fuck I would like to know what's in every. No ear said that's a billion times but I really want the blueprints of the building in the castle. We know for sure that the castle itself has at least forums. It's got a great hall. It's got a TV lounge. A restaurant sized kitchen. Yes, and a Frankenstein lab. It appears as if they're going to bring a gargoyles to life and they do, and it's not just a gargoyles Liz. It's a cyber oil. Yeah, part, stone, part metal. It's Michael Dorn Gargoyles and they name him. Maggie Moo. Round ice cream place the name in cold stone. Name Him Him Robin Baskin Robbins Rally. screenplays can only assume that cold stone creamery did not exist. Liz what are your Go-to? mixon's at Colston creamer I can't even tell you the last time I've been to an ice cream place. I can't eat dairy. I can eat ice creams. Most ice cream places. Don't have a dairy free option. You should go to Isis plan and fans. They always have one. That's dairy free, but almost always every time I've been there. It's been the German chocolate which is, you can use the base though for anything. This is good condo for our worldwide listeners. My local ice cream shop and it's delicious though. I thought it was really interesting that this is the first time in a wild that we actually see deluxe in Dimona. Working side by side like it's always been like Dimona off doing things, and we know that deluxe kind of like behind it. A little bit are helping her I'm not convinced I. Feel like the EB and flow in when their plans and plots coincide, then they come back together, but also they're evil separately. Yeah, and sometimes they were too I. Don't know I mean. Their relationship is so bizarre that it's really hard to tell it's frustrating I. Think a little to me that in general like we are a full season in, and we're still just as confused about their relationship in yeah, working partnership at all that because Dimona will openly say kill all humans as she's standing next to this dumb, it's until. we've also clearly seen her as capable solo villain. Right that doesn't need this human guy like if her plan is to conquer all humans or run the world, or whatever her dumb shit plan actually is YEP assessment killing goliath crawl out of that dude's butthole. Now you know, go fucking kidnapped the president or some shit. I don't know she's just so obsessed with Goliath I. Don't understand God is one dude. You think he because he's around. You're going to fail at your plan well. It's because she's tied any plans that she has directly to the other gargoyles right like your plans are just to fuck with the other gargoyles. You don't have plans of world, domination or whatever? So Dairy Queen Wakes up and Dimona jumps up in his face, and she starts immediately spouting off about how glide is a race traitor, and it's like Oh for fucks. Sake this again. She trying to convince de cue that Goliath has been seduced by the humans beliefs and I mean he's definitely been seduced by human. Something of you know what I mean do not mainly as China. It would yeah. We're talking about dream boats vagina. Goliath likes the glass and detective. Dream Boat have a sexual relationship. That's the bit here. Thank you. Just in case. Any of our listeners to be left in the dark. What confused me even more when she's trying to be like he betrayed. He left us all to die then she's like you are the way you are because of him. Bet You literally just made him. Be This weird hybrid thing? Yeah, that's you. How is this goliaths fall at all that you guys brought him back to life right? Q was dead. He didn't need to be woken up. reanimated I have to backtrack a little because we forgot to mention deluxe is very important line during the. Right Right It's. Like Oh, my God really, and then he just. I always wanted to say that. God, Damn Deluxe I know. Totally stepping out of himself for a minute, which is fine. It was funny, not really deluxe his character. No I'll let. Not The jokester. I guess he had to have his fun somehow. So back to dairy queen being, alive Dimona leads into a mirror and says this is all Goliath. Fault that you are cyber oil and if he just sat quietly for fifteen seconds to think about it, there's no fucking way that he could buy into that right right. He's been dead for a thousand years. And the first people he sees Dimona and deluxe. Glances nowhere to be like right. He should at least be questioning this logic, saying like hey, just so like I get it and you get it, but for the humans in the room. What the fuck are you talking about when you say? Could you spend on this theory? And who the fuck is this guy? Well? She says this is my human servants. Funny. Face. So mad argue with that. Though is doing what she wants. Yeah, whatever that is yeah. I always just want more from Dimona going back to before d. q was really. You know, she says your science in work, my magic and work like our plans to destroy the Gargoyles, for whatever reason and also by the way that's not deluxe is plan, but anyway like. How was this a better plan, right? How is reanimated q a better plan than again using the Gargoyles to have? Yeah Yeah I, don't I literally. Don't understand what the purpose of this is other than it's cool. It is cool, even talking about it and shit talking it now, pulling apart story like this episode. But? It doesn't make any sense. No, it doesn't when you sit back and think about it, but. Cloud sounds bad ass, and he's voiced by Michael on Dohrn so now. How did they get his stone? They did not explain it. I have to assume that it was broken up. Pieces of Gargoyles were broken years ago. They just sat there. They were never moved. Okay, yeah, like unless you're just like gathered up all these pieces and just been holding onto them for thousand years. We don't know her story. Don't know her, so we don't know if she's actually had been frozen for a thousand years or what and again if Goldstone just paused for a second and been like. Okay goliaths betrayed us by going after the Vikings. Dimona you alive. Are Any of them alive? He doesn't know that they were frozen for a thousand years. Right Colston doesn't know shit. Hold Stone Use your brains of the scene ends with a classic Darth vader new. And we moved to the mean streets of New York City. And Matt's back, yeah, he'd been gone for a couple of episodes for was he in last week's episode, was he in the locker room I think that was him in the tiny white as. Shit when his booty, yeah, well, he's going to check in on the guy that was robbed at the top of the episode and dream boats like I actually don't want to do my job. I'm just GONNA hang out out here. You go talk to the victim. He was like wait. What are you doing? She's like I need to gather my thoughts. Like. What the fuck you get your ass in here. Come. Do Your job with me. That's okay. No, what never mind? In Matt goes inside when he's out of sight, Dream Boat Radios Goliath on her little lapel mic, and she says this thing picks up. Everything and I laughed so. Because it is a microphone. That's what they do. She's like what is. This technology is astounding They're discussing why this shopkeeper stays open, and she gives a a really solid response. Can I play that for you? Yes, please. Why does that man keep shop open? He could be robbed again. Why does not leave? This is a neighborhood Goliath. The big markets won't even come here if he closes the store, people will have no place to buy food. That's more important to him than hiding in his own little castle. This made me wonder is Goliath, unfamiliar with the idea of a community no because I mean, his clan was his community like they had their clan that they worked then with the humans together in that castle, they were a community. Yeah, he's like Oh. People can help other people I feel like this is where the gears are starting to turn in his brain of Oh I'm not just stuck guarding my people. is a real thesis statement in this rate But? I thought it was really interesting than talking about food droughts. You know that is a major issue that happens a lot of cities because she said you know. The big stores refused to come to this area and without the small store these people would starve and look at Disney talking about how inner city stuff works ninety five. Yeah, before they can get into it anymore over the police comes code three and we got st go. Do you think code three is Cyborg? Attacking Times Square. His. I'm curious Police codes. Is it times? Square Times Square Times Square. Times Square I. Don't know. Please just keep saying I've been once a quote. The response in the United States is used to describe a mode of response for an emergency vehicle. Responding to a call, it is commonly used to mean use lights and sirens. So it's literally anything and it's also called a hot response. That's lame. Dream Oh and Matt show up two times squared. Get the scoop from officer Morgan. Aka One of Dream Boat Sexual harassment. Victims from the last episode Aka Goliath as a human officer Morgan, who knew he would be making so many return cameos so absolute chaos going on fuck had a police cars there I'm so worried about officer Morgan and his case with internal affairs and should dream. Even be talking to him like he doesn't have his union rab. Is there a restraining order? He seemed totally chill. I guess so. I guess he's good at putting on a front. Will you know he's staying strong? What are we talking about? Something going on in Times Square. Okay, why did Dimona? And Deluxe just have him go buck wild in this place is to draw out the other guard. Rules like again. They pick really odd ways to force them out. I feel like I would say yes, because as far as I remember. They still don't know where the gargoyles lives. You're right. Yeah, so D- Q. is just wreaking havoc in the middle of Times Square and the two detectives Matt and Dream Boat that go out and confront him. Guns drawn and I could not help, but think y are any other police officers out there with their guns out. I don't know the scene is surrounded by cop cars nights going and. No one is standing at the ready. You know hiding behind doors guns. ow shouting through a megaphone nothing. They're just watching. This destruction happens. Shit is crazy. more robotic gargoyles again again and I like how Dream Boat doesn't know what this thing is, but she knows gargoyles real and yet her first instinct is immediately to shoot this thing. Yeah, so. D- Q he doesn't care. He's not aware of his surroundings. Now let's happening and who these people are, and what these flashing lights are, and he instead decides to lift a car over his head, and he takes aim at these two cops with a car. Yeah, like you said they start firing at him and they know robots. They've tried shooting robots before. Matt is intimately familiar with trying to shoot a robot. And it doesn't work. nope, in this doesn't work rather just goes. And before we see what happens, cut to commercial break. Shall we do the same, yeah? hunky hero and a fantastic leading lady brought to life with love and loss just past indulge in radio drama filled to the Brim with romance, laughed at wonderfully awkward moments become with a new relationship and don't forget those delicious sexy parts that make romance novels. Ozo- fun to enjoy season. One of eleven last is available now at calamity, dot, com, or anywhere that he can find podcast. And we are. Back and we're still in. Times. Square Times Square well. Cold Stone is about to do his thing by Goliath swoops in and stops him I mean he just fires from the sky like a bullet. Yeah, he slams dairy queen, and it kind of has the same effect with the car where it goes flying towards detective friends. smashed. And I missed what happened? Did goliath immediately go check on dream bow, or did he throw some punches I? See Slams into d Q., and then the next thing. I saw I was typing typing was a him checking on his lady love, and she is like what the fuck is attacking us. You know I guess I was typing notes. There's something 'cause i. don't think he. He quickly gets to dream, but regardless of what he does. He doesn't recognize his friend yet. He's like it's another robot of deluxe is no. No, that's not what he says she asks. What is this and he has fucking nerve to call dairy queen, an abomination Oh, he. Dare you sir. I was shocked by that. I guess because it's some weird hybrid thing, but so how the fuck does he know right? He is obviously part, flesh, part, steel, or whatever medal isn't always flesh I guess mean I'm just yeah. Why would you call? It doesn't abomination not any of the other Romo. Goals. Robo goals that he has fought over the last. However, time works in the show because he is specifically trying to hurt. His words as weapons to be fair kind of works to the. Goliath as being an asshole. Yeah, so dairy queen, he immediately recognizes glides, even though Goliath does not recognize him, and he does a dramatic point. He's like you and a Goddamn laser cannon popped up out of his arm and takes. How what do you think are the rules to this guy's robotic parts? I don't know because. One. Dimona and deluxe have been like all right buddy. Let's give you a low down of what's going on your body like I know you feel differently. Things are changing. It's okay to your body. It's it's your choice by the way. If you fling your arm this direction. A laser pops up maybe like you flex a weird muscle in your arm. A little arm Boehner. Arm Boehner. There's a really cool hand to hand combat seen here and win Goliath in D. Q. Get up close. We get this really cool interaction here. Let me play this four. Oh you. You. On My. New are might big Schreyer. So dramatic so much emotion, Oh God God your notes. It does have a very bucky Barnes, a all my God. That makes this even more shit this episode so good right? Yeah I'm GONNA have to. Watch just for funsies. Yeah, so major end of winter soldier vibes here Yes to warriors once close friends now fighting to the death. Yes, that's one of my favorite marvel movies. BTW Yeah, it's definitely I would watch that any day of the week, so these two are fighting in the streets like nobody cares dream. Oh, doesn't care Goliath doesn't care. Nobody cares if people see them anymore, okay does. Not was so do we not care that? The entirety of New York City knows now. Because a flying fuck! Hell is happening in Matt. It's just like. What is? FUCKING Because even the GEICO was like no, I did not only robots. So, all of this explosion happening and I guess they happen to be fighting right outside the movie theater that the oils, are you? Know the old timey movie theater in Fucking Times Square. find out that they're watching. Bambi. Yeah, they're watching Bambi in a movie theater in Nineteen Ninety Five, the is located in times cubed next though sense, but they hear all the commotion and the explosions Winded Bam I didn't know. Bambi had explosions or something like that Lexington says I mean. I've never seen Bambi again, but is I mean there's a hunter right like someone shot. At least Bambi mother dies was I believe it was the first case of Disney murdering someone's mother. They really don't like moms. And Disney don't like mums. It's very rare to see a dead dad and Disney. It took them a long time to be like. What if we just didn't kill the barons rave? The MOM turns into a bear. She she's alive survived. She's awesome. That is really interesting that frozen. They're both parents and they didn't start out. Did they died in the move? Anyway. So we go back outside from the movie. Theater and Goliath is fighting, and it seems like he's losing. D Q. is about to pull a ban on glide. Just fucking. Break a moment his knee. And then suddenly, a flying hubcap shows up. I love that band. Flying up cat flying hubcaps. It's the brogue oils man. Broadway is pissed. Did you hear that line delivery now? Whom down. Yeah Broadway fucking steps up. He slowly has been. I think he's had the most character growth this season like he just started as the bumbling Pudgy. Let's just talk about food all the time. When and then it in this position will yes. That was like the first thing he said. Obviously, but he's not just that gargoyles anymore. He's got raging. Who does I think ever since the gun situation? Oh. Yeah, he's been fired up. And Brooklyn is fling in these hubcaps like a goddamn pro. Pro Hubcap slinger. I guess I. Don't know though it did make me giggle that it pretty much worked. As a boomerang. Another one like there's one like it didn't just like smack in the way that the other one day like one kind of like loops around. Like, all right got that boomerang action. Put some English on. It gets that span. Yeah, he should I guess join some ultimate Frisbee teams. You should do. He should take his Harley to his ultimate frisbee tournaments and. What else did he do? This scene is so great and it's getting crazy I. Don't know if you notice the look on his face. He started to look like a PTSD survivor like suddenly doesn't know where he is or again. It's like Bucky when he'd starting to yes, come through. And he's got cybernetic parts dairy. Queen is the winter soldier he was told that glance betrayed the clan, but he's looking at more of his rookery brothers right and I mean I'm asking how they can all be betrayers, but Q. is like more people to kill because you betrayed us. How is that your conclusion here? How Mona brainwash him that quickly so very fast. I know she's good at what she does, but damn instead of being. Oh, that's weird. I thought everyone was dead, and that was the betrayer, but you are my friends, so I should just go ahead and kill all of you. I'm curious if deluxe has any sort of control over him with his cyper parts like the way that he does the full robot robots I'm. GonNa Guess. Yes, so maybe that's part of it. Maybe I mean. We cut two of you of the situation from his cybernetic I. It's not from his i. what we see is Dimona and deluxe watching the fight. Play out on screen somewhere, but it's from D. Cues first person view. Yeah, and they gotta be somewhere really really close by. Maybe they're in like. The maturity van kind of thing standing around. That's what's so weird. Yeah because I do immediately show. Yeah, we cut back outside and then they show up. Like deluxe is in his iron man suit. He's got one of his iron gargoyles, whatever they're called I guess he just has always has a few ready to go because they destroyed to age of Altron. Factory built into his I mean that's his tower is thousands of feet tall. That's true. Space to make robots it's it's in literal outer space. It's so tall. Goliath tries to tell dairy queen that he did not betray their clan. They were all betray. Look, here's some clan here. My friends, your friends. We will all tell you Dimona shows up and all God there's another great deliver here. Goliath is so mad and check this out. You told him these lies I lived for my client. They died for you. Could you hear the rage in his voice like he gets caught up in? His throat was very guttural. This episode has some fantastic line delivery I've really does so Dimona, says Goliath that they each have their own clans now, but she wants the true Gargoyles to survive, so she has to kill. Go is no. You're not letting. Them have their own clan. Has Racist. Undertones the true gargoyles. Very like Harry Potter mud blood kind of situation, not good look. It's more race traitor. Shit, you win against your clan, so you have to die right gross. She's not even saying like Oh. We're going to take them out. She's like D Q. Take out the trash. He is not opposed to it right. It's I don't know man that. I mean I guess it makes sense for this situation. He is confused Dimona kind of imprinted on him, because gave him life. Yeah, it's very confusing. News and Goliath suggests that perhaps instead of continuing this fight. Maybe we should all just chill out basically saying what I've been saying for weeks. There's only a few of US left. Why should we try and kill each other? Which is logical and obviously go fights when he needs to fight, but in his heart of hearts he's a pacifist. His is unnecessary bullshit all the time. Yeah, I never goes a looking for a fight, but he's a protector totally. Well on top of all that, then, of course, a news vans have to show fake news van. And dream boats because they still have their radios on dream boat radios to like. Hey, maybe you should like. Move it along. You don't want to be seen even though you're being seen by everybody. Yeah a little too late, but okay I. Guess You know not everyone. is in time cube right now, so okay Liz. Yes, they don't WanNa. Be All over the news and my first thought was how the fuck are the skies of New York? City, not swarming with police and news helicopters. Yeah, it's nuts. They just get the fuck and fly away uninterrupted. We know there's a Goddamn News helicopter, right? We've seen it. Matt is friends with the Guy Yeah. It's so silly! I kinda wish we had seen more. Matt's reaction to all this. That would have been Nice, but whatever? That's fine, but like it's too late. They're going to be seen regardless, but I guess one of those people has have over the shoulder camcorder right? Yeah I mean there in times cubed us. What people do their Torres Yeah? It is nineteen ninety-five. They probably got the little poem. Tape Yeah Dude. There's no fucking way that there's at least one hundred separate people in this crowd with their little camcorders videotaping all of this well, regardless Goliath is like. Hey, guys. Perhaps we should move it along. We don't WANNA keep destroying deluxe city, and like yeah I. Mean That's a fair point I'm kind of sick of pain to have all this all the time. Let's go elsewhere him Goliath. That's really smart. You very quickly was like yeah, but at to Moan is not like you know. Of course she's not. Here's the thing that frustrates me about this. Yeah, it makes sense that the robots and the cold stone guy has like the cyborg. Thank you has the blasters and they can just push away. Yeah, but Mona. Blast off with them, was one of the Robos holding her well I did see she wants to keep fighting and deluxe puts his hand on her shoulder. Maybe he grabs like. Maybe. I'm sure that totally wouldn't rip her arm. Right out of socket or anything because he's got rockets for. 'cause then you see the other gargoyles doing their Klein up the building thing. Yeah, you know. And I appreciated that they left that part in instead of just assuming that I mean we all know that they can't fly, so they couldn't take off, but they didn't want the audience resume. A goal will help the get back in the early. Motherfucker shot up. And doesn't matter because they all fly away and we cut to another commercial break. Cool, let's do that. Yeah, I don't have a good transition, but we're going to fly away to a commercial. Yeah, WE'RE GONNA. Climb a very tall building in glide on to. Diane. Remind me to get Cherry Pie filling do. A. Come on, man I told you I don't even like David Lynch. Yeah but you've never seen twin peaks. You might really like it. You never know there is absolutely no way I'll get into that show and I'll prove it okay. I'm intrigued how to watch every single episode and Co host a podcast where we discussed all the ways in which I can't stay in the show. Yeah, that seems counterintuitive. I hope it's funny. At least you bet your Cherry Pie will be. Funnier than that I hope shot up. Subscribe to the Black Lodge complaint. Department on Apple PODCASTS, or wherever you get your podcast and check US OUT AT CALAMITY CAST DOT com. We just slid on down to a smooth landing from that commercial break was saying how airplanes are good at slightest. Well. We're not an airplane where gargoyles. You know. Maybe there was a slide on that building. I know what I don't know. Perhaps there was a slide. We're. Tower. And they finally bring Hudson in on the action, except for he is like A. I don't think I'M GONNA. Go because WHO's going to protect the tower Jesus. Christ, Jude. Why do you fucking care about the clock tower right now? WHO's why does this matter? My question protected from whom right they are with the bad guys right now. The only get one villain group a week. Okay, then we shop at a bridge I'm guessing the Brooklyn Bridge. I don't know the names of the other bridges either so let's say Brooklyn Bridge. Let's go. Go somewhere to cause less damage. Oh, how `Bout! We fight on this really important bridge that is necessary for the people of New York to get to place to place remember when they went to statue of Liberty and it was at night, so the statue was closed and there wasn't anyone around. Why don't they just do that again? Because I would have been repeating an era, we've already been in fighting done. Go to central park a big open space. Find there on a suspension for I. Mean I know why because it was a cool setting early logistically for the story? That's a weird place to go. Okay they make it there and they realize it's before. Dimona and deluxe have shown up. Yeah, they don't have time to formulate a plan. No none and now they were there just a little bit early enough to immediately get attacked like they would've been basically flying next to them. That's how quickly Dimona in crew arrived. Did I make it up. That one of them made a comment of like Oh. Why couldn't we've been fashionably late? Brooklyn says yeah. It made me giggle music. It's like drop kicked by a robot. For everything gargoyles has been fucking up the season or being weird or like being inconsistent. They do some amazing aerial battles. Yes, those are always the best, and this one is no exception. This is phenomenal. So Brooklyn goes after Mona looks. Right I mean he's had some punt up rage for episode. Snell lambs are into the bridge and she just goes bouncing like a fucking ball. It's great and Goliath obviously being the captain America of the situation has to go after de Q. I know they're at the top of the the bridge and Oh. There's great exchange here. Can I believe this for you, please? It's it's more captain America Bucky Barnes. Action Rabbit type of action. You're a dirty bird. Hurt you. Removing around a LOT LEXINGTON HE takes out one of the Robo, goals. They always fall for that. Yeah, he's got really good at destroying the Robo Buoy. Yeah, he does the nearly fly into a wall, but then I pull up at the last second trick. Yes, works every time. How has deluxe not fix that flaw? He's seen it happen every time. From Afar deluxe seeing this because he's in his Red Robo, suit. He's a God deal when I forgot again. I keep forgetting to download updates. and Broadway bravely attempts to take on deluxe. Doesn't go well, no. But he tried yeah. I can't remember exactly how it worked out, but he attacked deluxe and ended up in front of Deluxe, and then deluxe fired some lasers, the laser's hit the cables of the bridge support, and they just neatly imperfectly rap Broadway. Center is limbs from his body. As they flailing wildly, they just capture him. Yeah, he's just stuck there and. Liz. Deluxe starts flying directly into Broadway blaster out as though he's going to melt Broadway's face even though he's the one who always like I, want them alive, but I guess if it's between you, dine or them dying. He's going to pick that, but Broadway is already tied up I know. Malone yeah, go after Lexington or something well, it's a shame. He didn't. Because LEX fucking soups down and smashes that stupid red iron ironman suit in the ground, causing a massive explosion in melting deluxe is flesh inside lexus done. It was an epic way to end and in real life. Yes it this way in his helmet POPs off. Yeah, and it just Kinda like roles. He goes ear unscrews it like a cheap wine bottle. They probably was starting to short circuit and he was a fuck. Get it off. Get it off. So he manages to save his face. Goliath and D.C Hugh are continuing their battle when somehow they knock each other over, and they go tumbling into the partially frozen river. We in our second d'arthur. Ones from the Brogel Jesse their their man sink into the battle hymn. All My god Goliath has the most luxurious hair underwater was pretty good underwater hair animation. I wish like fuck you. Alex middle of like a shampoo commercial. So, they are sinking and this is another direct winter soldier moment. Goliath is like sinking. He's starting to pass out and he's reaching out to grab. His Hand God has wants his. Q. Is you think he's GonNa let Goliath drown at that moment. He remembers his sense of duty and honor and. Reaches, down and grabs Steve. Any hauls them to safety throws in back onto the bridge. What are we watching right now now? Gargoyles and I'm okay with it, boy. So how does the winter soldier and? So, we're backup on the bridge. Dimona jobs really wants to kill and deluxe is like hey, I don't kill. You're not the one in charge here. It's obvious she's trying to kill all the remaining gargoyles in Deke was like. Hey, you said we have to kill Goliath, so we can quote survive, but if we kill Goliath and company, there's two of us and Kim Dimona breed with a half guard. Oil Is Dick, robotic or I don't know. Let's the important part I guess kill five. Gargoyles so that, too can live can't make no sense. And he starts realizing the. Then he strapped back into the chair in the mouth guards put in and the Doctor Star electrocuting his brain, so that he forgets, and it starts all over again winter soldier again. Okay A. Go on. It's becoming clearer and clearer to him that Dimona is manipulative. None of this makes any sense. She's like I. Don't give a fuck if it doesn't make sense, I'm doing what I'm doing and she takes a shot at Goliath antique. Jumps in front of the. She's save his best. Eight so good and he gets knocked off the bridge again. We assumed to his death. This is when it turns into civil war. Yes, the tables turn My God I have to assume that not the end of him, but if it is the end of him, what a cool character that we only get twenty minutes of I can't be I. refuse to believe no, it cannot be. We're not there yet, but so glides jumps into the river to do the civil war reversal in the meantime Dimona takes aim at the brogue oils, yeah! Okay, we've said plenty to her plans. Make any sense, but they are by deluxe. And we don't know his plan either, but he says God dammit I want Gargoyles. Alive Dimona. You're not listening. It's been thirteen episodes. We don't know why he wants them alive to put them in. His is upstate. New York retreat XANADU. To hang out and my upstate resort zero do really great is just got skiing I mean they got a bowling alley. Mountain Lake that we can go swimming. God guys. It'd be so much fun. Guys who would be so much fun winter right now, so it's cold, but I swear in the summer. Let's go. It's beautiful. Guys, access lonely. He just wants friends. We will use one OWEN ZANA HIM FUCK! Oh, and he wants his Gargoyles besties. He doesn't have Derek Anymore, does he? We don't know Derek even though we just met Derek. We didn't just meet him. He just met Derek in the previous episode. Not In this one, so we assume that Derek quit that position. After probably. Derek Yeah so thanks deluxe. Yeah and this is win. Bronx in Hudson and dream boat show up to scare off the iron, clan or whatever. The Steel Dragon. And yet again deluxe. She's like God damnit. Dimona were growing and just snatches her and flies off. Sly Away as you mentioned. Goliath returns from his swim empty-handed. We don't see again in this episode, but because we don't see dairy, Queen Die Right I am willing to make the claim that he is just awaiting his return on a short downriver. Yeah, he's got a little campfire. He's fine. He's fine fine I mean. We saw the police shoot a bullet at him and it just stop so demos going I mean we've seen her. Get shot by laser and she fine. She does is she'll disappear for a of sensitive and come back, so I'm confident that Deke will return he better. I hope it's not like indices, three or some shit like that. You Know God. That'd be forever. Who? Well and that's the end of that battle from there. We go back to the clock tower, and Goliath has a line that or less, the thesis statement for the entire show point. Yeah, so let's take a listen. Okay, this island. Manhattan. This is our castle. From this day forward? We protect all who live here. Human, Google Alive After this very solemn moment dream boat, Aska at if he needs anything. And the answer is yes obviously. I need a detective. For what. To detect this Dick. They have sex then so I found it really interesting that he didn't say he wants to protect all of new. York City specifically said Manhattan Yeah. All the rest you boroughs, fuck you. I wonder if he doesn't realize that there are other. The rest of Y'all have your detectives, your police and whatnot. He's fucked. But Manhattan you get us well I mean. A lot of people for five Gargoyles, it is so. Are they doing like a Batman thing now where he is protecting the city and. You think like season two is going to be a lot more of like individual small villains. I guess they're like. Do you think we're GONNA see more Poli serial where they're doing more individual protection versus like these big overarching plotlines. I mean I'm sure it'll be a combination of both because the second and third seasons both have I think twenty episodes. Okay, there's more episode so I'm sure they're going to have maybe a couple like long arcs, but in those longer me like the villain of the week or the week kind of situation because he can't always be Dimona deluxe. Right like that's going to get real boring, yeah! I guess we kind of had villains of the week when we had like the pack and those are all kind of because of de la dogs. Yeah, there's room. There's room for growth in the villain pool. Speaking of villains. Yeah, that's not the end of the episode they. It's not even though it should have been right. A really should have been instead. We're back to that little corner store that we saw at the beginning. We see the bad guy version back in with his gun out and the guy's like really dude again. No no actually and then he dumps out his bag of money. which like what? You like. Six months had do this. Call the cops I'M GONNA. Turn my Salvin. Because monsters told me to Q. Laugh, track and episode silly ending with the clock tower seen would have been a much more. They could have swapped. We literally could have had this scene and then have goliath explaining that he wants to protect Manhattan now I mean this scene is because Goliath decides. Manhattan is castle yeah so he's like I'm protecting castle now. you go say your salary robber guy. Liz, can we finish up the episode? Yeah okay. We're GONNA take one more break. We'll be right back. Wong. After tragedy strikes loose up through a nicer to come back for the funeral like Dean Deep Roots Unites. Any what up man to celebrate the life of a friend tank? Let's see. Until. Some thing happens. Now. They're struggling to survive in a world. They don't understand. War Group, if they failed time and space in an epic podcast from the calamity cast network, I drop it. Off. Subscribe to it, beginners guy to interplanetary destruction. That's what I'm calling my penis as of eight seconds ago. You believe it. We're back just like we said. We have finished higher season like I, said earlier, a real roller coaster peaks and valleys up and down loop de loops. Oh, it's been stomach-turning some points. But. Let's you want to tell me to do like the episode. Yeah, despite some very obvious flaws totally, and I think honestly talking about it made me like it even more like I finished episode, that was really good, but I had an early made the winter soldier connection in my brain yet and things that made it like ten times better, which is interesting, because this obviously cannot way before the movie, and even before the store, really one of the original comic book storyline happened to thousands really. Back I mean obviously you like that. It did even though we started a pull it apart in some places overall very solid, very good like I keep mentioning like line deliveries. There's so much emotion in this episode. It's really great I wish I. Really stepped up. I feel A. I wish everyone could be this because it would really elevate this show. Would you say that this was your favorite episode of the season easily? I would really like to see this writer. Do More Prisoners Hotel, so you kind of answered this question earlier but I got to the end thinking with Gargoyles, parts of dairy queen that was debris, essentially that survived a thousand years. I think so. I understood that I mean I guess that makes sense, but it was laying bare, or did like you said to Dimona collect fat when she came back to the hassle. At the beginning of the show at the beginning of the series when the smashing happened. We just stop hiles of rubble. How would she even know Oh that cold stone, that other friend? That's other friends like? How can you tell I would have been a little grotesque? Port of someone's face in the rebel, but it's not like. They showed us that there were no details. There was just rock, even if she found his space, I would note that's his leg or that's his arm. Because that's the magic part of this. That's why it would be so great if they would just give us. High Swear to God, and all the Gargoyles, if we do not get a flushed out, Dimona story. Like five episodes right like I need to know what the fuck is going on. What is her background at the little tidbits? You gave us in the season. We're bullshit. Agree Bullshit. This ties into my final question for this episode. What the fuck is deluxe that we do with the Gargoyles I mean it never makes sense throughout the entire season. He buys the castle because he's curious about the curse, even though I'm willing to believe that Dimona was already alive, so he already knew that the curse was real, and it was reversible so later on in the season he wants to have gargoyles be his minions, except for clearly none of them are interested in that so then he wants them for. Steven and talk about like wanting to do like sign search on Donald Trump. Maybe kind of but for what purpose and he made. It sound like well as I have known my protection, keep y'all from being directed by. Like he's trying to make it sound like he's really important to their safety and survival which I feel like. They're proving he's not. He's in fact causing more issues not. So I don't know I think he does. Have some summer garden parties with them. I mean that's gotta be. It can't be that throughout thirteen episodes. We couldn't get one solid villain motivation. That's absurd. Let's like with Macbeth. Why was macbeth so insisting on denouncing gargoyles? Why has been the pack was obvious? They're saying they're just crazy. Macbeth sound like he has some weird thing with Dimona and he figured capturing other gargoyles would make Dimona to him. That's one of the suck the moment by if Dimona is pertinent with deluxe. And he went through deluxe to get. It's like. Why didn't he just like? Hey, buddy! Do you know her Dimona at it, can you? Can you hook me up? I'm sure Macbeth, comeback. Comeback at some point and there's too much there that they can't just leave the that be yeah I think that's the downside to the twenty two minute animation is that you get some good tidbits? But because they have to fit in so much for episode, you're never, GonNa get enough the out you know. You Never GonNa get a character study in twenty two minutes should. It got good characters. Well. Liz We did it. We finished the season finish the sees. A! Really really high. No I have very high expectations for season two episode one now and I feel like it's going to be a Michael episode in the sock. Well I mean this is proof of success, so maybe they hired small writers for season two, the hopeful, especially because I gave him a longer season. I think it's I think it's double was. Mike. Wow. Nineties TV now listeners. Like sand through the glass of time, we finished another episode of defenders of the night. Days of. Our lives. Oh, you got it okay. As always thank you to N. 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Episode 105: Where Are My Sunglasses?

Defenders Of The Night

56:33 min | 6 months ago

Episode 105: Where Are My Sunglasses?

"We are defenders that night did the most trusted source for top to bottom coverage of everyone's favorite mid-nineties animated program Gargoyles. I'm your host Daniel Williams and other host Eliza Circle is. Hey thanks for joining me today. In the studio talking about old g goals Gar. Giggles DO GARGOYLES. Yeah you are a gargling. We are finally finishing up awakening. They were discussing awakening. Par-five Mrs Season One episode five. Yup probably should've said those in the different owner. You know whatever I the. I thought I had before. The episode really started when we had the theme. When are they going to do the Goliath intro? I have to assume we'll get the next episode now that we're done with awakening and everybody who started watching they're like. I don't need to know wakened anxious I'll I'll start with episode six that makes sense but tell me what did I miss right. Tell me in thirty seconds what I missed in the past hundred minutes. I just want to hear his voice. More alright calm down okay. I Dunno man when it is jump into it. You got any our news garden coil. You know what this episode Awakening Part Five Aired October Twenty Eighth Nineteen Ninety Four. It was written by Eric. Luke and Michael Reaves. They have written the entire awakening series and it was directed by Takemitsu Cow. Mora and Katsuo Toronto nailed it. Thank you I assume showy. Yeah as with every episode so far. This one begins exactly where we left off. In the previous episode the Brogue oils have literally one thousand guns trained on them. And we're GONNA jump right into clip here because Brooklyn says floor comedy to days in New York City and there are already making bad elevator joke so I found it interesting that we did start right with them because like in the episode before we saw a little bit of Goliath and Lady Mac cargo whose name I can never remember. We don't get it yet. Oh that's right and we get it this episode a I never remember it. You know we got a little bit of them and then they cut away to the and then I thought we were gonNA cut away to Hudson and Bronx. Yeah the way they did. These attacks on the various locations feels a little disjointed to me. I would have preferred it if they did one the other than the other. But you know what I'm not in charge so it was twenty five years ago after. They're funny goof. Ups They Scurry back up the elevator shaft as the yellow jumpsuits as I'm calling them now and my notes they distort light in their asses up firing they shoot up the elevator like they mean business right in the Gargoyles. Go one floor. They don't even right. I'm not trying too hard. No they find all these whatever scientists who you where are these other. Oh so they go up a flight. The camera cuts to the scientists. And then the royals explode through the ceiling so they go back down to the floor. They were just on. I missed that they would opportu bypass the guns but we need to be down so they just like destroyed the floor. But how did they know where the lab was from the floor above Liz? I mean I guess David just gave them really good info. Experts that reading schematics prints. Why not so all? The guards are on that floor though just in a different. Yeah the fuck okay. I didn't even think about that so you didn't notice the bad matte painting when they burst through the ceiling. Because you know how hand-drawn animation works is. You have the same background and when something changes you just put a cell over it. So the background would have been the ceiling and then the next frame. There's they punched through the ceiling. And the lights flicker background gets really like it. Shifts really weird. I'm not an animation experts. I don't know exactly what the terminology would be. But you could tell the background was jumpy and did stays like in focus and doesn't move fascinating. You didn't see it but it was awkward to see. I like it was so weird that I rewound and watched again. I rewound my vhs cassette. And I watched again. I will have to rewatch the beginning with what's happening there. You know in the room with all the scientists and this is my really to understand first off how does Lexington no I understand. They explained to him. Okay you're going for this floppy disk. But he was boop knew exactly what to do. Yeah he knew exactly where to go like. Oh look technology people boop here it is. I got it. How because he is the Donatello of the group yeah does machines and then Broadway throws something a window and they're like Foca so for these scientists sake they are doing science the ceiling explodes. Monsters jumped down. I start to menaced them steal a floppy disk. Destroys the property. Like if you're on scientists you'd be like what the hell just happened. God what would you tell your spouse when you went home that night? I don't believe anything I said after. That anyway would seem ill right honey. Honeydew we need to take you to the hospital now. It's all very checked out. And there so our Powell oils palled around. They make a quick and easy. Get Away too easy. It seems too easy but again like they weren't where the guards are some the Dorky. Scientists don't necessarily know how to fight these monsters. No guards are assisting those fucking nerds. Yeah all the guards in the hallway. Nobody's in this room where the disk is. Yeah you'd think they would have heard the floor exploding and been like perhaps we should go See if they're okay in there maybe a war if they did go up a floor because they saw the oils up there and then there would with the folks and then lick maybe follow. The whole scene is following video game logic levy enemies in a different room. They do not bother. You are okay. That's Hilarious is Liz yes. We moved to the sewers where Hudson has certainly more of a problem. Procuring his disc. Yeah he and Bronx are going through these tunnels and they are spotted on a closed circuit television system and a platoon of the jumpsuits. Get the drop on Hudson. And he's like I'm GonNa fucking tear you apart and he starts ripping limbs and he starts punching guys and Bronx's chewing away arteries and it's brutal. It was pretty bad ass yet. None of that happens now. He can give up like a coward. I need these old. Hudson is the two days from retirement. I'm getting too old for this. Shit gargle literally that he literally says I'm getting too old for this. Well they they meant to look up. I didn't when did that movie. Come OUT THAT. I'm too old for this shit. I don't know if that was lethal weapon one or two but way before way before this it was probably a purposeful reference. Yeah for the adults watching and you know what Hudson is a big Fan of TV. Yeah maybe he just he saw them. That'd be areas so hudson is captured. Yes let's did. Everyone missed the giant doglike thing that he was rolling with because Bronx just rushes in and starts tearing dudes part for real this time and instead of immediately opening fire on the dog oil in the crazy winged monster. The guards stand around with their dixon their hand like. Oh what are we GONNA do? There's a dog thing. This guy's Jacking. Us wanted a time. What what guys. I hope. They're not paid very well. I had a note. Hudson gives no fucks about these humans. Ll Not have the same feelings towards humans that Goliath has no not at all and then know the fights happening in someone. Actually take a shot. Finally by the guy in the captain's Ad I feel like everyone of these soldier guys. Whatever the fuck were calling them they really suck it shooting their guns. They're like stormtroopers Even worse because they're not firing the dislike bumbling idiots yeah when they do fired like the US a Jillian bullets or lasers or whatever the hell it is and they don't hit anything like last episode or episodes ago when Lady detective turns over her shoulder and hits them with one bullet but she's being fired upon like a rain of bullets and nothing hits her like what she's in the Matrix. Yes so time a slowdown for her. So she can dodge all those bullets and fire. One perfectly aimed shock. Did you notice that the one shot that was fired in the scene? Shoot some sort of science device and then catches fire. They really like things catching fire. They are into fire in the show. It was a computer literally. Nothing would've happened. It would've maybe maybe says old. I guess like don't go around shooting a ton of computers like a waste waste of bullets in computers. Oh yes cracked me up that you know we have this compared to Lexington who's like beep disc and then Hudson issues like Smash Smash Smash. Here's my desk. He was literally in the right place still out of all the machines. He walked right to the proper Michigan and slams it down and I thought he was going to push the big button the fake out. I don't know what that big red button does. Which probably not good our big Red Buttons Ever. Good things The easy button. Yeah that is a big red button. So he's got the disk and before the GARGOYLES can escape. The Colonel Hits that bigger button and shuts the blast doors. I guess what the bigger to buy a big red button middle like that makes no sense. No I got a big red button on the wall or something that you hit to like door shutting button right not a better phrase for it to her shutting it so the gargle off the rails the gargoyles off down a random hall. And that's never a good idea. That's like horror movies shit. The fuck. You're going yeah. They're making their get away. Get trapped in a weird cage thing above some subway tracks. Yeah that's what I was GonNa ask you. You been a New York Avenue. Yeah did you ride the subway? Yeah I mean I guess if you're in the train you can't look up but like I'd assume something like that would exist for maintenance. I've never noticed the size of a subway tunnel or tunnel. That seemed really big underground. Train STATION TUNNEL. That has been turned into science lab right. So maybe it's extra big extra roomy for the science. You need space for Science. Ciano the floating sidewalk practically like they were in and then Hudson being the bad ass. He is just like rips it open and jumps onto a train. Your he does not have time for this shit. No he does not they. They finally escape. The TRAIN GOES ABOVE GROUND. Hudson catches the an updraft and they take to the air crash land nearby and they're safe strong gargoyles he's carrying Bronx. It'd be Bronx's got eight hundred pound bombs. The opera is a hefty boy. Yeah that's two successes yes. We're two for two one. More to the airship okay. Wouldn't it be hilarious? If the broil succeeded Hudson succeeded and Goliath fucked it up and like didn't or broke his disc or something harder so back in the airship. The lead hat is freaking out. Because you know. They know that they've lost two thirds of the data and Lady mcharg oil. Here's this somehow and takes this opportunity to say wrong. You lost it all through that giant steel door. Okay do they have like bat hearing do you think are they like part bats that they can hear really really well. I mean they do have large ears. That seem like a thick door lady. Mma gargoyles opens up the door. Like WRONG BITCH. You lost all of it. Yeah and again. It doesn't surprise me that she of all people knows exactly what she's doing because she hold your but I guess just like waltzes up to it and it's like beep boop and there it is and doesn't mine and the jumpsuits here don't even bother like this is the biggest thing that I've ever encountered. And he picked up a dude so you know what fine. Take your desk what he knows. What a yeah. And then for reasons. I don't understand. Lee Mc Gargoyles after retrieving the diss punches. Down into the computer console thing pulls out some sort of lightning filled tube touches it to a wall and somehow starts a fire Liz. Yeah I don't think the creators of Gargoyles no in any way. How computers work more fires. That seems to be true. Liz Yes what the fuck are we supposed to believe is happening right now? I don't know why is that tube filled with lightning. Yeah I don't think that's how fireworks. What what the fuck did she pull out? Pull out lightning tube like in the nineties had supercomputers I had to have lightning in order to work okay. Regular computers used regularly supercomputers use Super Electra sedate. Lightning lightning God. So has she been on this airship because we said that she knew all about the disk and she know where to get it but she posed. How did she know which? Computer David with the lightning. And it's in that one got it know all about lightening fine. So now there's smoke there's fire. Yes and Goliath. Why the fuck did you do that? And she's because I hate people. Douglas and she's like. I don't time to talk about this shit right now. We've got a book because it's exactly where my notes say. This bitch is evil. She is she hates all. Humans hates except David. I don't like they have to be fucking right and we're going to get to that at the end but yeah absolutely goliath wants to help the humans. We can't just leave him here. He says she's like fuck. Yeah we can. Also how does he know what the end result is going to be? They are putting out the fire because what this one room so like. How does that result in the airship going down was? That's a fantastic question. One that like God wants spark is going to make this thing explode if it is like that. Maybe don't have a supercomputer. Because when they got to the airship last episode they were being pushed backwards by the engine exhaust fans but that's what they were. They were spinning engines. Yes as one single computer caught fire. And the Goddamn airship goes down in the river. There goes and of course detective Dream Boat just had to be there. She's Look Rut. Rose that is of the giants. Whatever the fuck it is I guess. Are they used to seeing this thing or is it like incognito like do they see this thing floating above? New York was. I didn't even think of that. But yeah like what she expecting like. Oh it's the Zeppelin that I see all the time right slowly crashing into the river and then yeah two gargoyles and then. She's sick Goliath Goliath. We're GONNA we need announcing already we. We're going to have some words sir. Who is lady with you? I was your lady what the FAA was this whole Zeppelin slowly crashing into everything Israeli. Just Gimme perplexed. I feel like we should take a print look hunky hero and a fantastic leading lady to be brought to life with lovenox indulge in radio drama filled to the. Brim with romance laughed. All those wonderfully become with a new relationship and don't forget those delicious sexy parts that make Romance Novels. Oso to enjoy season. One of eleven love is available now at calamity cast dot com or anywhere that you can find podcast and we are hello. We are at Castle. Live though I have the justice. Shut up David you suck and I have no idea what that reference to well he was probably talking and then you like. David doesn't need anything specific. So as the Gargoyles were one hundred percent successful in their mission of returning the disks Liz at the nine minute. Twenty one second mark. Did you see the size of this disc? Did you notice that? David is holding it in his hand and it is easily three times the size of his hand. It is fucking gigantic. It's like the size of a record all of a sudden. I didn't look that big in the gargoyles hands because they're gargoyles. I think that it's just inconsistent. Animation changing scientists and then they do a wide shot radio disc close up giant. Maybe he was trying to emphasize the importance of this disc by making it bigger. Was I appreciate what you're trying to do here? You don't think they put thought into it but no. I think that it was just an animation mistake so obviously David's very happy to have his desk and he's just like okay. Thanks God I really don't like him fair so glide is talking to lady mcharg oil that he's got to go. He's got a hot date and he doesn't want to be late and she's like who the fuck are you talking about? You shouldn't trust any human. Yeah any of the except David. This kicks off a really interesting conversation. I WANNA listen and it's kind of long so just deal with aside from xanthos. We have no human friends nor should we humanity. Is Our enemy Goliath. I thought you learned that a Millennium Ago. Not Make War upon an entire world. Doesn't Santos prove that there are good humans as well as bad? Can you forgive the humans for what they did to our kind? The ones responsible for that have been dead for thousand years. Then there defendant shall pay. I will have blood blood. You said the centuries of changed me. They've changed you to become hard unforgiving. You're not as I remember you. I'm going to see my friend so she possessed like now. I know I keep asking this question but like it makes no sense to me that she hates humans this much. Then why trust David like it makes why I mean you keep asking it because none of this chip makes any sense. It would be really interesting to see lady gargoyles before. She decided that she hated all humans to get a real understand real understanding of what that turn was because even when we see her thousand years ago she didn't trust the humans it would have been really cool to see what made her turn and maybe understood this kind of evil streak a little better because right now it's just making her look bad. She's an asshole. Yes she's just evil for the sake of being evil or you know angry for the sake of being angry but without a cause right. We'll get there who maybe we're only five episodes and we've got seventy three more to go. Who Anyway Goliath is like you need to get a handle on your shit. I have places to be an lady to woo. He fucks off to and then we cut to D- Alexes Bank of computers. He's got incredible camera angle of this entire argument. He's watching it all happen from a drone if you notice the camera angle on his computer screen. It is like pulled back wide shot from above like bird's eye view. How the FUCK IS HE GETTING? This Camera Angle. You see this in cartoons and shit all the time like how are you seeing the same view that either viewer emceeing? He's secretly because they don't understand technology. He secretly during the day strapped go pros to their chests and they don't even realize that they're they're yeah exactly before we go to the next. Liz Deluxe says Goliath is too hard to control. What a pity something like that creepy and weird talking about I guess. He was expecting Goliath to be like a mindless monster that he can control like a Frankenstein's monster kind of situation but then Frankenstein's monster gets a brain and smart. Sounds like no no no dad. You can't control me. I'm going to go do my own thing. But he's had previous interactions with lady mcharg oil. Who is very manipulative and conniving in her own right yes for sure but I think he's realizing Oh Goliath is too good maybe like I can't just convinced the man to attack an airship. I guess because he's out of the fight between Lady G and him that he's like oh I thought having her around would like get him to do things and he's he like. No no no. I don't like this side of you bye-bye I don't know. It seems like a quick turn on David's part but he's just like because deluxe is plan has one hundred percent worked right. So why is he like Goliath all of a sudden even though I totally got him to do everything I wanted and you think the fact that Goliath does trust humans more than lady? Jaye would work on David's behalf. Yeah Yeah we've finished our worrying about deluxe. Yeah we're moving to the rooftops taking so detective. Dream Boat is patiently waiting for an explanation as to where to wear Goliath was 'cause she thought him flying away from as she calls it a plane crash girl. I don't know if you've seen a point before. But it's fucking not a plane. I have never left Manhattan. I have no idea what a plane is. One thousand nine hundred ninety four so she's not familiar with the future. Yeah not a good detective but she is because she already know some Shit Yeah. She knew the three labs were robbed by creatures. So she's like she's like affect my gargoyles and motherfucker. I saw you with another woman. Yeah so it's just like really just yelled at because I going to go see you in late. Gd You're gonNA yell about her. Do you think that's what love triangles do anyway? So he explains that the desk were stolen from David an he was just helping get back. What was rightly his. Yes they had to fight and yes destruction happened but like we were helping David. It's fine dream. Boats not having any of glance condescending. Patriarchal Bullshit dropped some knowledge on his ass. Check this shit shit out. Remember this trace. That emblem. It's the logo of the robotics firm that's owned by. Are you ready Xanax? Enterprises are you saying that Santos's responsible for the attack in the park. That's exactly what I'm saying. He probably planted that Boko new himself. But those were the same men who stole the disks from him Goliath. Nothing was stolen checked. Those discs were cyber by addicts property. He must have stated that to trick you into stealing the disks. He used you. He's been using you from the beginning. Pretty sure this confirms our theory. Deluxe is behind all of it. I don't fully understand why I don't even understand. Okay Liz. Can you explain it to me? So that means all three labs his is that what it means. That's what I was confused. Minute okay actually know this own cyber -biotics so here's I think what happened okay. The case that was stolen didn't have anything in it right. It was empty so the the helmet guys are his so the attack. That happened in episode two. That was his people to stage a fake robbery. So he could be like hey. They stole that from me. I need it back so the discs were never his information The data was never his. He just needed. He knew Goliath Gargoyles. Wouldn't just Steal Willy. Nilly had to have a reason and the reason was they stole my shit. I need it back. Stealing it period. Okay so he doesn't own these cyber -biotics company no his rival rival. Yeah Okay He. He came yes. The case was empty. Had nothing in it. He pretended to have his shit stolen. And that does make sense. Because these cyber -biotics jumpsuit guards looks different different than the helmet. Guys Jumpsuits v Helmets. Yeah all right you got it. Make sense to me. Yeah I accept. Oh so dream. Boat Convinces Goliath. That deluxe is definitely a shit. Dick Desk Fuck but the have to trust somebody. So why not a her and then she rubs his face. Oh yeah she promises. It'll be worth like girl. You are using your charm to win him over you know. He's thirsty. Boy Live boy. Come here come to Mama. Gotcha boy. Sh God it's going Zana Toast Tower. Yup Liz play this clip. Yes please it has to do with in Deluxe spouting some shit that I just. It goes back to the the not being able to trust glass. It just doesn't make any sense so all right let's listen. I'm afraid. Gargoyles have outlived their usefulness. I can't count on their loyalty but now with the data on those discs. I can bring their replacements. Online holiday already outlived their usefulness. They've been uncurbed cursed for like two days. Let you. That's fuck ton of work to get these gargoyles generic city to be like we're done with you is who days maybe three. I'm even so flustered. Because he gave them one assignment and they did and he lied to them about the assignment and they still fucking did. What is he talking about here? Like he's lost his marbles bonkers so okay he's full of Shit. Hurry the usefulness of Goliath and company he had them steal the discs for robot related reasons. It kind of sounds like he in Owen. They're like hey when the sun comes up and the other gargoyles are asleep. Test them and lady MIC Gargoyles. Like why the fuck should we wait? Let's blow these mother fuckers now. What is her game well? She's manned that Goliath is with another lady she's using her vagina. That think right now. So you're telling me that rather destroy people the only people who are left the only ones left so she called the last of kind the last she wants to be the last gargoyles. Does she really think that if he's like all right? I got these robots now. I don't need creatures. I can't control. She gets the stick around like she's elusive right. She's way more of a loose cannon than than go is in the other she's a loose end. Loose cannon yeah. She thinks she's more important than she is. The problem women are always thinking that sexism we go outside and our are just chill and just like chill into the Max. Where did you get that little computer? He's got a little computer Brooklyn his sports them. Six shades and Broadway. Being the fat one has an entire dining setting of snacks he got like takeout from everywhere they get the table. It's gotTa tablecloth on what Does Avenue. If you have a billionaire who is your pretty much sugar daddy right like. That's pretty much what David is doing taking care of them. You just dragged out a table random room. He's like I want to eat. Yes so this further confirmed my theory that these are all Ninja Turtle. Analogs get back to that. Goliath is Leonardo. Obviously he's the leader. Lexington is our DONATELLO. He does machines Brooklyn cool sunglasses as a Raphael but rude. Yes give me break. Liangelo isn't Raphael. Yeah so yeah okay. Michelangelo is our Party Dude Broadway. Always eating pizza so Hudson. He's gotTa be our master splinter. I assume he's old. Yeah WHO'S BRONX? I couldn't figure it out. I sat there like who is Bronx in this scenario. I don't know because obviously Casey Jones Amish because I don't have anyone left Bronx's Casey Jones share because they don't have any pets now. No turtle a turtle. No that seems inappropriate that seems like slavery anyway and then robots. Let's get into this robot. Shit Deluxe has built giant Gargoyles. Automatons right like why if you're going to build robots that can do whatever you want and destroy set like me to look like. Why do they look like Elias? Why are they looking like Gargoyles? David I think David also has a boner for Goliath. Yeah maybe he recognizes power. Yeah in leadership. Do you think that he? How long did it take to build these robots right? Did he have them and he just needed the software? Yes I think that was. He had them and that's why he needed the disks but like just like boop that into the computer and like power them up like I guess. It's some sort of technology that he hasn't been able to create himself so that's why hit to steal it from the other people. That's gotTa feel really shitty right. You're supposed to be the best and you're like oh I can't do this thing. I WANNA do without the shit that they created and the reason I ask is because winded. He decide that they were all going to look like a life. I guess he when he went to Scotland and I was like Oh yes castle. I'm GONNA buy it. He just stared longingly at the statue. And he's like this. This is what I want. This is my I was GONNA say. David this shelby my masterpiece exactly he tells the robots to attack and the Robo goals start firing off all kinds of lasers and shit and it gets really exciting. This episode is full of lasers and gun play. Shit it's wild. Why does it? Nypd do nothing about the fact that this building is constantly having light shows in two days to attacks. Yeah I don't know I wonder if it's because it's so high up that they cannot see it. I like what he's describing. Why The robot? They're better and he's like well they can fly. They don't just glide unlike Oh way to way to slide that dig on them. Also they have rocket strapped to their backs flapping their stupid robot wings. Shut up can you just imagine how rich deluxe must be that first off he was able to buy a fucking castle? Haven't transported bit by bit and rebuilt in New York City to have these gargoyles for only a couple of days. Also somewhere in there built these robots like dude. Get A fucking hobby. It's building killer. Robots but here's the thing why what are the robots for. I can't wait to find that. Oh what is his fucking in game here. Did He. Build the robots to replace the GARGOYLES? Did he build those robots in six hours? I don't know I have so many questions about these fucking robot. So he had gargoyles. His purpose of them is to protect his company right and also steal stuff from the other company like to be his minions. I think he was born. He was like own. See if Madrick's real yes. Yeah magic is real as a cool. It's real. I like my robots butter though. Go these imagine trill fucking robots a cooler and you know what I gotta say. I'd rather have goliath that isn't metal. Stone over metal. Yo I mean if you give that robot glass a good personality it's Kinda yeah but doesn't have a personality or milling machine on at the moment but there's always room for improvement. Just makes him even more like Tony. Stark had Tony Stark. In all of my experience has never been out now just evil. No not at all let me. That's his hope thing as he's like. Oh fuck this. I can't have my dad's company being used to make missiles and shit for bad people. Tony Stark always accidentally evil like most of the time. He's got like a good idea. A heart of gold in that little glowing but he's always messing something up and like. I'm accidentally the villain again. No let me fix s. Got All my friends killed. Poor still just go back in time anyway so back to gargoyles which I feel like we've only talked about sixty percent of the time this it just keeps making me think of other. You're not wrong. We get a really action packed. Sequences the Gargoyles try to say the jet packs and lasers and it's really it's no use. They are no match for these robots Broadway gets taken out and crash lands Lexington gets hit mid flight and broken managed to catch him mid air. My Poor Little Lexington. And here's the thing about this scene. This little berry here Brooklyn is acting like he's struggling to stay aflutter with Lexington in his arms right but Hudson could carry the big dog. No problem in the first episode Brooklyn was seen carrying to vikings in throwing them over the castle walls to full grown men. You're telling me that Lexington weighs more at three foot. Six inches weighs more than two full grown vikings. Liz I don't buy it. Some Justice Brooklyn's being blasted out of the sky. Goliath shows up from his date and smashes one of the bots and shit just goes crazy at this point so of course. It's real. Goliath versus robot Goliath in. It's pretty Intense Loy there's lust in your eyes. I see across the table making me uncomfortable. Yeah and so yet again Gliding makes no sense because Goliath is going against robot him and just like FIS up into the sky. How little buddy. I can only assume that. He caught like an updraft but it looked like he flapped and went up word so anyway he moves Lexington all the way who's unconscious and put them next to Broadway. Who's also unconscious and then goes back to the fight. Meanwhile who has been chilling out in the TV room watching the real world road rules. Challenge comes out because of all the noise is like what are you crazy. Kids up to Holy Shit fucking. The castle is once again just collapsing around him. Lasers are going off left and he and Bronx are attacked by another Goliath box. There too quick. They've got those like reflexes at two hundred and fifty thousand years old. Bronx manages to jump up and grab the Goliath Bot in mid flight and grab by the tail and his pulling and pulling in Hudson pulls out his fucking short sword which I often forget that he has to and slices that robot like forehead to Dick I. He's way more warrior than the others. He's is like almost like armourer his shoes. And why are they not all arm? No clearly they know that weapons is maybe they think their claws are good. Enough like Hudson knows than that and he's like you know what here's to humans understand certain things and it's okay for us their shit. Yeah TV. The sword wearing clothes we briefly cut to the lobbyists detective. Dream Boat comes running through my God and we're explosions. Yeah like I already know what's going on. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA go ahead. I'm just GONNA go. She runs right by the the security guard and lobby. She's like no. I know where I'm going. We go up to the Skies Glances surfing the back of robot. Maybe he's the Michelangelo. Nah Okay he sends that fucking robot just careening headfirst into another flight robot. Yes taken out to at once. It's awesome the fucking master. They rain robot. Parts down onto deluxe and Owen. That was pretty funny. Like fuck you you piece of Shit. Well deserves that. He does and he's just sitting here like This is not going how I thought it would. This would really on my favorite. I laughed out loud when those parts were raining down on them was like fuck you. So here's my question. So you know they're beating ass taking names and and winning right like the tide has turned to since glide showed up there actually succeeding. What does David think is going to happen? That like oh I just tried to kill them for no reason and they still live here right. I ask that later on like what is the expected outcome right. Does he want to kill the Gargoyles? It seems like whereas it just another test. I don't know but like how do you come back from that? God is like all right this dude just fucking trying. Kill me in my people my. Bros and cool. We're just GONNA keep chilling on this roof and eating food. And maybe that's the exchange. He occasionally he tries to kill us. But like it's free rent so it's new Manhattan expensive. Yeah that speaks also to lady mcharg like why does she want you said it earlier? But why does she want the last of her kind to be destroyed? Robots do not understand her. I feel like I need a deep dive character. Study of her family. Learn more as the show progresses so Brooklyn and Goliath. They managed to take out the last robot by trapping. Part of the castle on top of it does he just have a mason on call. Come Fixes Castle every fucking day not on call the Mason just lives on site. Yeah every day pouching this again so they take the last robot there are no more robots and as angry as lady. Mcharg oil is like you wouldn't think that what happens next would happen but she pulls out a fucking Bazooka right and starts firing at the last gargoyles in existence. When did she learn guns? A B. Why and we don't learn by the end of the episode. We do not learn what her deal is. Why she so angry. Liz yes there's a dramatic act break here in the episode and I think we should follow suit. I'm left flustered. I needed. Take some deep breath. Okay am worried I am worried. We're GONNA take a own. Thanks for listening. Help others find our show by rating and reviewing on I tunes checkout calamity cast dot com for even more content and follow us on facebook twitter and instagram. To get in touch and let us know. How doing if you like what you hear and you want to help. Keep the lights on. Consider becoming a regular calamity cast contributor on Patriot. Or You'd like to make a one time donation you can do so at pay pal dot me slash clammy cast. We appreciate your support and your donations. Truly make a difference. Okay so we are back at the drama and the castle. Oh it's still happening and leading your mcharg oil. Just has her fucking Bazooka and fires a rocket at Goliath. Any like fifteen feet away girl what are you doing? You love that man you literally just like yeah. They were wing hugging in the last episode. They were we. It was hand stuff their wings were protecting them from view. The hand stuff. Here's the thing like how do you turn that? If she had hit him she would have been covered in his core. That's how close. She was standing just glide meet and he's like what are you doing? What are you doing right now? Why are you doing this? Yeah she and Goliath. Have kind of a standoff. The other gargoyles are prepared to rip deluxe a new asshole. And he's like. Hey how about instead of attacking me. We just let these two guys have a little chat. I feel like they were running out of time here in the episode. They're like no more action. We gotTA stop. We ran out of fight budget. And there's that villainous monologue that lady Macbeth has and I'm gonNA play that here. Okay combine if your food but then you always were too. If you'd only taken the rest of our clan away from the castle that night. The plan was perfect it would have succeeded. What plan I made a bargain with captain. I was to get us all out of the castle. So that the Vikings could save it what it would have worked and after the humans were gone we would have had the castle all to ourselves but you ruined it. You had to protect the humans. You made a stay at the castle when we should have been with you when the Vikings attacked the captain said he'd protect us but I didn't trust him. I've stayed alive because I trust anyone. But why did you do it? You can ask me that. After how they treated us they had to pay all humanity has to pay what they did to Al Kind. This is a pretty heavy scene. She dropped some big news. Yeah she hates. Everybody hates all the humans she wants to wipe them out and create a world for her kind leashes to kill her logic. Her logic makes no sense. I still don't understand what El Capitan was trying to do right. So he wanted to the castle for himself he was trying to get rid of. Is that all it was no. He's just really tight with gargoyles. Who's like all this hanging out? We're tight we're cool. Let's be friends. Fuck all the other humans meat. I like this. I like this plan so you but I like your plan. So does she no matter white year it is? She finds a stupid male human to be like even plan. I'll be part of this. I guess so. I'll capitan is like deluxe nail except Alexa pilots. More power but I guess a thousand years ago. If her plan had succeeded it would have been a lot easier to go round killing all the humans and there would have been more gargoyles to do it. But now don't understand doesn't really make any sense. My my notes continue to be shouting about deluxe and what he gets out of all this saying that from the beginning of this episode and even before so at this point we're near the end of episode five foreclosing closing out the awakening. Liz We finally get to hear lady MIC Gargoyles name which is shorter than lady mcharg oil. And I'm glad because I don't have to say it or type it anymore. I named to Goliath the humans gave it to me long ago. You should know it before you die. I am Mona. Humans. Give her nameless. Yes we finally get to call her by the name that we knew she had all along. She is Dimona now. So why did they give her name because she was the all haughty but like humans gave me a name to Goliaths? They probably gave all you assholes names like you're telling me that someone gave Goliath name. Someone gave Dimona a name and they're like envy authors and the pro coil. What's also how did he not know her name? Does she get a name after they were stone? Lake Shoe survived right like she was able like. She wasn't stone defied so like she says she was. And it's believable. She says she was cursed. By the MAGA's the same way that goliaths decided to be cursed by the mega is to like. She went to him and was like. Hey just you know. But she's also a liar so who the fuck knows what she's been doing the past thousand years right when she got that name. You're right that's a good question that I never considered because if it were at the same time that he got Goliath like why wouldn't they call her Dimona to his face? Yeah yes you can call me Dimona but other gargoyles around maybe they just called her. Dimona bonaly tour phase but like lose fucking Damone over here. T think I'm sure it's a playoff like demon bs. Something Lady Demon she as a level demon. Oh my so. We're getting wrapped up in the minutia. Here we're almost finished. After Dimona says her name Dream Boat finally shows up these elevators. They're not super speedy now. She is been writing elevator in real time. She just decided to run up the stairs instead. Yeah she took the stairs. Five hundred floors another rocket is fired and it takes out the castle as we've already mentioned deluxe must have obtained that live on the property like ten floors of the skyscraper are devoted to housing his masons. That's why it's so big. He's got a house all of his Mason. This rocket explosion. Yes knocks deluxe. The fuck out good but it also makes Dimona and dream boat get near the edge and start tumbling and Goliath has to make the choice. Do I save the human girl who I love or do I save Damone? I guess her name is who I thought I loved but apparently has been after me this whole any extreme vote. Well here's what I would say to that. Liz Dimona has wings yes. She can't help herself and she's fine but also dream is used to it. This is the second time she just likes tumbling off buildings from the stratosphere down to the earth below like she's over she's like. This isn't even exciting anymore. It's fine obviously as you said. He Saves Dream Boat Setzer Down Safely. And then he goes to throw deluxe off the fucking. Yeah but don't talk him out of it and it's like if you do it then you're no better than Dimona or you know. They just won't be a plot anymore if he just through deluxe off the roof. All of the gargoyles problems would go away which it might be worth that killing. One human in cold blood and really. It's not in cold blood right. It's to protect also in retaliation for the shit that he's already pulled right. He tried to kill them. It's self defense. It's really not to say that deluxe does not deserve this shit. It would be a terrifying way to die guess cod yeah but instead Dream Boat. Just arrest okay. Not that that's going to do anything. Owns the police. You Know He Shirley. How else are they just like? Turning a blind eye to all this explosion battle. He's got the police in his pocket. He is this city. The episode ends with some comedy from the oils lighthearted way to in this pretty heavy episode. Brooklyn's sunglasses his sweet shades. Were broken in the fight. Broadway's hungry gliding dream boat. Make out and yeah that's it they don't make but they do make plans for another date. Which made me wonder? When does she ever sleep or work? Yeah she'd literally spent every night until sunrise with Goliath. Maybe she takes micro naps. Maybe you know five minutes here. Ten minutes there. She's trainer her body to run off of six hours of sleep total but in very small chunks. Maybe Goliath just energizes her. She doesn't have to work until nine. Thirty Sun comes up around this? Let's call it summertime around five thirty six o'clock and after he wears her ass out she goes home and goes right to sleep. Our just gets all comfy cozy for a couple of hours Liz. We've decided that This is just an adult rated podcast about. I think that's been clear. Since episode one YEAH WE ARE FOULED. But we made it to the end of the awakening. Five part the start of the show. Yeah I think we should take one more break. We'll finish her up. We'll say goodbye and we'll see what's happening next week. Cool Long. In Modern Day Bristol. Someone is copying one of the most infamous serial killers of all time. Jack The ripper. Only this time. The story is different. A woman survives and decides to get her revenge by taking the law into her own hands but in so doing she awakens a darkness deep insider if you like suspense Thrillers Man. Serial killers tune into Jane. The ripper and audio drama coming to Calamity Cast Dot Com Halloween Twenty nineteen. Welcome back everybody to defenders of the night. Where a once again. We have finished the five part opening to the gargoyles series the awakening Liz. Yes hell of a run right. This is a really interesting way to start the show. What did you think of this up? In specific I liked it. It was very action packed. you learn things? I'll just kept making me go well and like. I have so many questions and a good thing that means. I WANNA keep watching in hopes that these questions will be answered especially about the robots and the Mona. I'm glad we can call her by her name. Now yeah cheese it fell off the roof and I do think she survived The they leave that open ended by like wings. Obviously Juliet right leg. We've seen multiple other gargoyles fall off the roof like we know they're going to be fine. Fine did we call it on the robots or did we call it. You said it. Earlier on the episode robot related. We said it way. Early in the series deluxe is the bad guy. Yup We nailed these things and I gotta say it's not because I seen the series before because I didn't remember Shit right like some of this stuff wasn't coming back. Oh no the whole first episode came back to me but since then I'm like okay. I remember general things about this series as a whole but yeah I I'm not remembering these platforms at all for me for a lot of it's been like watching a new show. Yeah that's how little I remember. It's more of the kind of feelings that brings up in me like the. Yes fucking my childhood. Yes exactly yeah. What do you think David trying to do? I think that he's just trying to be an evil rich guy like despite what they've shown us. He has specific motivations other than to be bad guy with a lot of money. He can do this. He's doing it. Yeah he doesn't have any specific ideas or goals right now or if he does. They are not being broadcast to the viewer rain. Yeah just to be the biggest baddest richest tech guy. I don't know how about you. What do you got any? Yeah I think a lot of is just like the be the most powerful unstoppable. I'd like to know his backstory a little bit like I feel like most villains have some sort of reason why they are the way they are right. The best villains are the ones that are the heroes their stories so maybe he has motivations that we'll see more clearly as the series goes on. I hope so or it's going to be one note of character. Just will no. Yeah and he seems like there's so much room for gross fair that we're going to get a lot of his pesos or not. Because it's fucking children's cartoon rate that's the thing who knows. I know I mentioned this during the show itself. But what are they supposed to do now? They were literally just had attempted. Murder happened to them. David has shown his hand right early. Yeah little soon. They know he wants them. Dead and has these robots has plans for mass destruction. They know Dimona is not a good gargoyles cool. Let's just keep chilling on this castle yet. They live with their main antagonists right. I don't remember what Dream Boat said took off but instead of him his normal Posey When the sun comes out he was like shocked to look on his face. God Yeah what was it? It was funny I think. She showed him her boobs. Hope Hoop as I hit the MIC. Boobs are exciting. I don't I don't care. Do you cowboy if Google has a boehner when the sun comes up to stay heartache of course it gets Liz Liz. Liz Gets rock-hard. Look at the literally covering my is was. Can we finish Liz once again? We've finished another episode of defenders of our. Thanks go out to eat and McGowan four. Providing our interstitial musical ditties go find him on Instagram and twitter at I'm not spelling out this time. Easy underscore breezy underscore MAC and check out his band. 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Survivor Wiggle Room: S37 Episode 6 with Josh Wigler

Rob Has a Podcast

1:44:01 hr | 2 years ago

Survivor Wiggle Room: S37 Episode 6 with Josh Wigler

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When you sign up a place that order of twenty dollars or more. That's Ed grove dot CO slash rob. That's grow dot CO. Not dot com dot CO slash rob. Josh. Learn. Learn. Learn learn. Yeah. That's right. Josh wig ler. I'm so cold in my apartment right now that I am actually wearing a jacket is why I am glad that I'm not on the islands of survivor here. I have the luxury of wearing a coat I'm wearing like a park Natalie. Yeah. She didn't lend me her code. I have my own. Okay. Thank God by raising wiggle room. Here this week. Why is it so cold in New York? It's very cold. It's very cold right now. The temperatures have been have been switching back and forth where some days you're looking at like highs of seventy two today we're in. We're firmly in the fifties category on the heat in the apartment, it's not working. Rob the Heat's out. He's not worked out eats out eats out. And even if the news out, even if the heat was on he was ethan's on. I would have to keep it off because you'd hear it in the bow podcast. But at least I would have been able to warm up the room. I go like a pre bake like pre reheat premium ever, that's your process before the podcasts are prebaked. No not anymore now for about a year. Now been I've been way. Okay. All right. Josh wig layer. So very excited to be talking with you here at the survivor merge. It's them merge. Baby were some of the merge. Mama say oh my God. Yes. The pre merge of survivor. David versus Goliath is in the books, and it is the best pre merger survivor history. Don't at me. Okay. Well, you've been saying all season long the best of best season ever Donut me most. So. Cetera. As is the best player to ever be eliminated in the sixth episode of a season Donut me. Wow. I was Mike blooms obviously, not true. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, you'd have to say, obviously. Notice respectively. I like your purple hair. Real napalm Wigley move. Excuse me. I don't have any napalm. I don't know what what the equivalent of my napalm would be. It's like wimpering Wigley. That's what I've got. All right. Well, we're going to talk through everything that happened here in episodes, not everything, but a little look through a bunch of things that happened here in episode six, and then we will look ahead to the survivor merge. And just like we did after the swap very unsuccessfully later on. We will do our who's getting voted out at the merge draft coming up. So we will continue that way. That'll go poorly. That's probably not getting we can't with nearly as bad as we did with the who's getting voted out at the swap merge. Well, that's because we're going into the merging literally everybody is going to be at that tribal council. So at the very least, whoever we draft will be in attendance. Whereas if you recall to the people who are listening, we drafted people for who will be the swap boot. And we did not draft a single person who is at tribal council that week. Right. Right. So badge up. Look how we supposed to predict who's going to lose the challenge. I mean, that's but yeah. But this kind of thing is kind of our job, right? We get a little closer on that. Speaking of losing the challenge. So we got the see the very interesting. Challenge. I did really like that the tribe with Nick and Mike who we heard a wand off all about how Nick and Mike or cats carried a giant saucer? But it should have been filled with milk now. I believe I saw Mike bloom. Tweet much the same thing on the night of. Episode and then connected with me right away. And I saw that from him. And I died I laughed so hard that I literally died and had to be resuscitated. What a what a great treat. I mean. Sometimes you do have to magin maybe one or two of these wiggle room. Plug ins the show may maybe it's somebody winking and nodding in our direction. The know it all thing quite likely as well. But if anyone who is working on survivor is putting in a cat saucer challenges specifically because they know that one day we are going to be comparing Mike white and Nick Wilson to humanoid cats. Then I believe that the timeline true. He is broken. And none of us are safe. And there is no port in the storm that will provide sanctuary. The apocalypse is here clips that was a cool challenge. I did really like that. I that was very inventive. And I think that the challenge department. I think it's easy to fall into the trap. So of like, you know, this like different versions of the same old stuff of the okay? Run out. Grab this put this puzzle together. But I thought that this was so great because like, okay, let's do something that is like totally awkward of go out and grab like a giant satellite dish filled. Yeah. I think you're absolutely right. I think among the reasons why I'm really enjoying the season. I think one of the underrated reasons why the challenges have been very compelling and the challenge design has been rather inventive. This one included. I'm thinking back to either was it last week or the week before where there was this element where you had to like you had to climb up. The rope ladder, and you have to like hop across like a gap between platforms and lower abridge. And then everyone's going to run over the bridge that no unique as well. And everything feels like there is some combination of brains and brawn involved, and like the Braun quality is the seems like some very physically strenuous stuff that is being put to the test here in these challenges, certainly the genie tribe, not really feeling up to the task as they got their their butts whipped here their asks as they were as they were smoked by the other tribes. It was clearly very physically demanding for for those guys. But I think that that's that's baked into the theme in this may be one area where you can scoff at the themes, but this may be one area where I think the theme is shining through is in the challenge design where there's that like brutish quality that Goliath brings to the table. But there's also a cleverness that is traditionally associated with David archetype such as it exists. So I re- I really enjoyed this challenge. I've been enjoying the challenges all season long and uncertainly the guy who on the rewatch is just like fast bars through the challenges. But these have all been very riveting. Okay. Now, Josh you mentioned the beanie tribe and probably the person who got a lot of credit for the move believe. Also got the fishy. This week was Mr. Mike white. Mr. Mike, white, Mr. Mike. Yeah. No great times had by Mike this week. I'm sure he's thrilled with that fishy. I'm sure he's placing that on his trophy shelf off the other accolades that he is earned along the way probably clearing a central place on his mantle for the fishy. Yes, Josh word is that we may be hearing from my quite this week. Breaking news are happening now. Yes. This is correct. I have I have gained access to Mike white for these active player interviews that I've been doing here along the way up on HR is posting at nine in the morning eastern time on Tuesday. So check that out HR dot com. So I'll set my alarm survivor. Yes. Please do west coast. Yes. So seiger just kidding. My kids wake up way before that. I was gonna say you're like four in the. Morning, which is which sounds like hell sounds like a nightmare. Are you're literally up at like four in the morning every day. Well, as like daylight savings time it didn't help in not help T H R dot com slash survivor, nine AM eastern time on Tuesdays where you will find a really fun interview with Mike white which really crawls all over the season. Thus far Mike's the first Goliath, I've gotten a chance to speak to in one of these so far I've talked to I've spoken with Christian Elizabeth and Lisa and now I am getting my first Goliath in Mike my first glad not in bloom. This glide in Mike, and he's got some really funny things to say I'm not allowed to talk about what he has said. Because I am under embargo right now. Even though as you are listening to this. I am sure that the interview is up, but it is it is a fun one. I strongly recommended if you've been enjoying reading these these signposts along the way from the the players who are still actively in the game. I think that this this. This is really fun. I think Mike white proving his his way with words here is he's describing some of his fellow competitors. Some that he has kind words to say than for others. I think it'll be a fundraiser for you. Okay. All right. Looking forward to that on Tuesday of this week as we head towards the merge. Josh. So I know we'd like to follow the characters in the story here on this podcast. And you know, we have this giant narrow no, no pun intended narrative of theme of the David's and the Goliath, and I think it's very interesting that we come into this season at the merge where it did look like the goliaths had a big advantage at one point. And it sort of has been even out a little bit over these last couple of weeks where it's now just a seven six advantage for the goal is how do you think that the theme of David versus Goliath is going to play into what's going on at the merge eating the players will ultimately forget it or do you think that's going to be something? In the minds of the players because it's been talked about so much. Well, I think it's going to be in the minds of the players in so far as they they made it through the first three eliminations of the game on these two distinct tribes, and they had several days with which to really solidify those bonds to to really make the connections with the people who they started the game outwith. I think it's very likely that we are going to see at least some players probably not all, but some people who are really going to be sticking to that tried and true line of we're Glaive strong where we're staying. The course I think the David tribe, honestly, especially that's the group that I'm really looking at is as a group that's going to want to stay together. I think that they were really thrown into the into the fire very early on this season with the evacuation of Pat their battle-tested with that I vote against Jessica, I think that the fact that they enter the game positioned as. As underdogs by the theme by master Probst himself. Happy birthday, by the way, Jeff belatedly. I think that these these players are really going to feel incentivized to to keep that moving forward. I think with the glides I think that you will see some people who are feeling like we gotta stay strong. We gotta stay quiet strong. But you've also seen people willingly navigate away from that. Like Alec who who bombed Natalia when he had absolutely no reason to. I think that there could there could be some fractures to explore there. But I think the fact that Mike ends up voting out Lisa instead of Angelina here. And because one of the stated reasons that he gives on this show is I can't show up at the merge with the blood of two goliaths on my hands. Like, that's just not something. I can do makes you think that going into the merge with seven goliaths versus six David's that it's it's at the very least going to be positioned to us as viewers as that's going to be the line in the sand at the very start of the merge if not deeper into it. But do you think that's alternately? What is going to play out as we get into this merge? Episode this week. I hope not I hope not I really don't think. So I hope it's I hope it's more interesting. Then I don't think so as well, I think I just kind of have faith in the momentum of the season that the that the season has delivered surprise at every turn, you know, this past. Week was probably the least action packed week of the show. I think I think again, you know, kudos to to Mike Blum with the great tweets this week. He had he had asked people to what their rankings of the episodes of the versus quiet. So far would be in heap placed this past episode at the at the bottom of the list. And I think that that's fair. But I still think that this past week while it wasn't like as dazzling or conic as jacket gate, which was really just a stud of an episode. I still think that this was a very strategically interesting episode. I thought that the whole conversation about you know, I know that you joked about this a little bit. But this is the most Bamenda vote of the season thus far. I think it was certainly a very important vote. It was definitely an inflection point as we're heading into the merge. And even though is a little bit straight down the line. I still think that there was elements of surprise in elements of intrigue that we were seeing in this one that I really do hope and believe will carry into this next episode. But I still think David could go, and it could be compelling. I think it just if it's as straightforward and clean as Goliath or just like we're gonna begun all of you David's, and it's going to be over for you. Right quick. And that's just the narrative of the episode. And it takes like almost like a Stephanie Johnson quality about it. We're all the David's are fatalistic about the fact that they're going to get picked off one by one that's going to be a bummer, but I really don't expect that that's where we're gonna go. Okay. Can I make some hyperbolic conclusions based on an extremely small sample size? Yes. I am the person who authorizes you to do such things. So I really think that this is the best dynamic for a season the format that that we've seen here in this season where we start with two tribes of new people to tribes of ten new people, which then we break into groups of three and then from three we go back to one because. That's what we saw in millennials versus gen X. And when we got to the merge and millennials versus genetics. It really wasn't like that the gen Xers were saying, hey, we're only gonna work with the genetic serves and the millennials were only going to work with the millennials because there was enough time for both of those tribes to have fractures in their bigger groups of ten and then when the players got to the swap they went out and pursued new relationships, and then when they got to the merge, it was a nice hodgepodge for whatever reason the returning players in this scenario, they wanted to go back to the stasis which was ultimately going to be who did I start with that was more interesting for them in other seasons that we've seen where we start with tribes of its start with three tribes. And then we swap it seems like that the players wanted to get back to their original starting group of okay? There was like it was a small enough number that there was some comfort there. With a big group that has fractures in it. I think people are more likely to pursue different alliances posts swap and that creates more chaos at the March. So you are positing something similar to the numbers preferred by Sirri fields, not a three to one. But you like the two three one you like the two tribes to three tribes to one tribe. You think that that's the magic numbers for survivor? I think the the four eight fifteen sixteen twenty three forty two of survivor. Sure, I think that might be the best way to do the new players season. And of course, you want to mix things up and keep people on their toes. But I think there were certainly, you know, conflicts in the Goliath tribe. Not everybody liked one another ended up being nine to one vote. But I think that there were still some fractures there and people rubbed each other the wrong way, you know, there were feelings that were hurt one way or the other between is it going to be Jeremy's going. Gonna be Natalie. And then they were also obviously fractures in that first vote with the David's going to tribal council. So I don't think it's going to necessarily be a party line. I mean, especially on the David side. I know they're in the minority, but not every single David loves everybody from the original David tribe. Sure. Absolutely. I mean, we've sep- just this past week. We saw we saw that struggle between Carlin Davey like having it up to here with Elizabeth and a little bit vice versa, which I thought was like the first scene that had really deemed Elizabeth's character where through these episodes, so far I've thought that she's been a really strong candidate to to win. It all potentially. I still feel really good about her shot. But it was just it was a very interesting moment that she was just I rubbed so wrong. I really loved sort of the rawness of that. But I think you're right. I think like when you when you think about one of the things that I do enjoy about a season that starts at three tribes. And maybe maybe this is almost. More myth than reality. Like in my own mind. Like, if you really stop to examine it, maybe it's just it's BS. And it's not even true is I think with with tribes that have smaller numbers of people like when you've got three tribes of six people each there's really kind of nowhere to hide in in terms of the storytelling where you're probably going to get a handle on who each of those people on those tribes are even saying that out loud. I think that that's not totally right. I mean, you don't have to look any further than heroes, healers Hustler's and Katrina is the first one out of the season and she gets one confessional right away. Like, I think that even there people can can get lost. I think the bigger issue there. So if you're if you're even setting aside, the fact that like it's better for story, which seems maybe not totally true with the three tribe format. I think the bigger problem is when it comes to the theme these three tribes seasons, like the whatever versus whatever says, whatever wait, there's always like that one. That just like that's kind of the head scratcher like heroes, healers hustlers. Like, I think you could say like the healers tribe lake is like that's just kind of funky like, you could imagine like the match up between heroes and hustlers a little easier. The whole thing is kind of set it on fire, but you can at least imagine that a little bit more. I think with worlds apart the no collar, try was a head scratcher. I think with the brains bronze and beauty. I think the beauty tribe tends to be a head scratcher. Whereas when you've got like strong tribe theme versus strong tribe theme and whether or not David versus Goliath, really works. Your mild mileage will vary for me it works decently. Well, I think that there's a little more pronounced it gives you a tighter story that you're following two options rather than three options. I think is a little cleaner. Yeah. I'm not. I'm not mad at it. I think that that that second swap that we saw in second chance and we saw in game changers as well. I think that really muddies up the storytelling. Me. That's what it really becomes very difficult to track where everybody is. I really don't like that. I think maybe just like the one of the. Yeah, I think that that is that is the right move. And then the other piece of it that I think is underrated in this is I think the fact that these starting tribes were allowed to be with each other through at least three eliminations. So you know, that they're going to make it to at least two full weeks of the show. I think is a is a really strong move in terms of keeping the narrative pretty clean second chance. I think was able to pull that off. But the game changers premier you lose Sierra and Tony in that first episode, and then the very next week is the first tribe. Swap the second week of the show and as we came to see throughout that season. Nuku strong was such an important factor in how that show shaped up, and we had no real sense for why the new people loved each other so much. So I think like at least buying the first two weeks. Ideally, at least the first three weeks of the show to really let those dynamic settle in. I think is is a really really good call. And I don't even know if that group from game changes really loved each other. It just was that they didn't go to tribal council. So it was like okay their safety here. And nobody really knew where the fault lines were. Yeah. And I think also that the playbook on that season was a little bit easier to to see like, I think at that point. Second chance really was able to shake things up by that was the first time they went from two to three by the time game changers. Rolls around. That's something that you can predict a little bit more. I bet that they're anticipating that at that. I was like, okay. If we're if we're getting swapped to tomorrow, we're staying Nuku strong. We're staying Nukus strong. But you just never see any of that on the show. So I don't know we're kind of all over the map. You're right now. But I do think the I think you're right. I think that the two to three two one it's got it's got strong potential. I'm excited about it. Worked really well for me and millennials versus gen X and this season so far. I've got no reason to doubt that it's going to be anything, but a really fun merge. Right. I mean, they're certainly could be times you could do that. And it will be a bus. But I think that we have a lot of reason to believe that we will be in for an exciting merge. Much like we were two years ago at this time in survivor millennials verses gen-x? All right. Josh as we look ahead towards the merge ready. Do you want to get into our pick for who will be the boot at the merge, and ultimately give our reasons why do you think that whoever gets booted at the merge is going to be medevac for eating too much beef at the merge feast, oh amended back at the merge is really the worst. That is probably on the list of your least favorite survivor things. I would say, you know, 'cause you're all excited about here we go baby merge yet baby. And then. Nothing. And then Joe Dowdell blows out his knee or or Neil has an infection in his knee or Julie McGee quits. It's not fun. Why is it always either your knee or McGee? I don't know. It's the rule the role. Well, we already got the knee out of the way this season. So I think that probably going to be okay here. So I think this is a pick pick a person and why they're going to get voted out. Let me also quickly. A rejected idea was who is going to be sponsoring the merge. Feasts this season. We don't have anybody on standby to plug right now. That was one that we that. We don't have a sponsor for the segment sponsor. Yeah. No, no guests here Josh arby's at the merge. No, no. Do you think that they got? I don't know if you've covered this on the podcast earlier this week. I'm a little behind do you think that they got rid of the beef in the skewers reward this week because of Joe del Campo? And then what they came to find out about Bradley clogging getting staked up. Yeah. I mean, it was we did this feedback show unappetizing reward. Let me show you what you play. I try to finish. Can you tenses? Herbs and spices ten vegetable kebabs second Jeff lead with cooking utensils. He even knew like the not going to be excited about going to be thrilled about that. No one's going to be happy about that. I think I saw Davey tweet that like you can see him do like a lean in like in squint his is at the reward because he was looking at being like, there's no meat the. I think that's great. That's great. Like, even like, these starving starving human beings f that way as maybe they faith faith. Yeah. Okay. All right. Josh. So we're going to do how many people you want to pick. I mean, we've got thirteen people coming into the marriage. You want to pick three and three four and four that's six and six six one person goes did six and six one person goes undrafted. Let's get let's get the full squad minus one how about that. All right now in my recent podcast with AJ mess. I drafted four winner. Pigs basically for the drip. This is the opposite of that. This is a who is going to be most likely to be taken out of the game by a vote here in the seventh episode of the season. So very different exercise. Oh, gosh. All right. And you know, how I feel about exercise. But I'm I'm ready to do it. I'm here for this going. What would you like the first pick? Or would you like the second and third pick? I would like the second and third pick. I would like you to go. I I would like for you to set the tone tone, wlac goes. Oh, okay. All right. So this is going to be really interesting because. We have this group. We have the Davids we had the goliaths we have seven goliaths who could it be? I have felt like that this person is ripe for a blindside. I will take Dan with the first pick Dan with the double idols Dan entering the merge with two idols to his name. And he's going to be the first round draft pick here in in the merge tribe vote, and let me tell you what that looks like how tank okay? So it's like this is like the Colonel mustard in the conservatory when the candlestick we saw Gabby, and Dr Alison talk last week about the broad shot show stuff and how we need to blindside, Dan. And Dr Allison talked about how he has an idol. So maybe just maybe maybe Dr Alison not feeling great about not being part of that Goliath core to start. Maybe Dr Alison flipside is going to work with Gabby going to work with Christian and the rest of the David. And then a blind side of a guy that they know has won idol. But next reality has to okay, that's a nice segue into my first pick who was actually going to be my second pick. But since you're talking about her and no disrespect to doctor in doctor Howson is my fischel winner pick of the season from the preseason big Dr Alison fan. It's literally just we have seen. No, Dr Alison, there's a great read. It boasts this past week that was re framing the scene between Allison Gabby as Alison saying the Gabby. I'm really glad you came to be. I could really use the airtime. She got up in here. At all. And we did see her, you know, very, suddenly we saw her role in the TV dynamics, and it was almost like she popped up. And it's like, oh, yeah. Dr Allison's on the season. And that is the only person in this cast that I feel that way about it feel like everybody else. I have at least a handle of who they are where they are. Alison, I really wouldn't if not for the fact that I got to know her in the preseason. So I'm just I'm gonna I'm gonna say that if Goliath is going to go and Alison feels like maybe she's a little bit on the outs of the Guaira tribe. And maybe she is going to start preemptively organizing some kind of move with Gabby maybe try to bring in Christian maybe want to blindside a guy like, Dan because she has that knowledge but Christian feeling loyalty to the, bro. Chacho? He is Haas after all. Maybe that's gonna blow up in Allison's space. So I I wonder if we're just being set up for a quick Alison booed at the merge. She can go on vacation with Lisa and Natalie and all of those crazy people who are who are currently shacking up together at Ponderosa. So I'm gonna take outs in this. My first pick here. Okay. Atlas in laws Bill. I definitely could see that as a scenario that ends up happening. Okay. All right. I got an I got a second pick here. I mean, I don't think that she would be the the likeliest target for that to happen. I feel like that's a likely scenario. But I mean, I think we've seen crazier things by far one thing. Also, she's very athletic. She's very intelligent. I think that she could potentially be a challenge threat here in the merge. I think that those are additional reasons that good possibly see the vote turning against her. I would have picked her second. The first person who I would have picked the person who I'm going to mention now, but you were talking about Allison I was gonna take her second. Anyway. So so if you want to if you want to reverse the order, the person who I was going to take I I think classic merge boot type is somebody who is like athletic is traditionally like, the jockey or guy type of character. I could see this being the end here for Alec. Orlean? Oh, I think him him turning on in Italia. And being the first person to the first Goliath to go against Goliath and spill purple blood on the battlefield. I think unless he has a really good explanation for why that had to happen once they get to the merge. I think that there are a lot of reasons to take out. He has been a stood in the challenges. He has really brought it in the challenges this season. You always see him out in front and really kicking butt. So I think for for that reason alone people would be afraid of him. And if Goliath wants to stay alive, strong, they're concerned that could be a mole. I'm always on mole patrol. I think that could be somebody that they would come after really early on. And I also think that CARA could be actively trying to throw him under the bus, and especially because that he is tight with the David's that I think that that would be somebody who would make some sense to target. Numerically? I wonder about the goliaths making that move. Yes. If he if he has flipped then it is the classic like Boston. Rob Matt Elrod move of voting out the the swing that has flipped to the other side. But I don't know if it's exactly the same as that. But. You know, he did that like, well, he wasn't sure if which side he was on. So he just took out the unstable element there at the merge. So I think maybe if there is some question about whether he's with the day is whether he's with goliaths, and you know, carrot is trying to you know, really force the issue. Yeah. I could see that as a possibility. I think that that's a more likely scenario than the doctor, Alison, I agree. I think that that's that's I completely completely stand. But I think also just if you're going based on what we see in the preview, it seems like Alec is really into like David versus Goliath is over. So it just makes me makes me concerned makes me concern for this guy safety in the game. Okay. All right here we go fourth pick overall. I'm going to go with Angelina. Oh, I would've picked Angelina next. Probably. Yeah. This one is this is an easy second round pick for. Okay. I'm going Angelina based on what we're seeing in the preview, she seems to be pushing. Targeting Christian as the heart of the David's. And I just wonder you know, we have seen her push for things in this early season. And I just wonder could she potentially be too bold in early going. And then have this thing come back around where word gets out. Hey, Angelina once you gone what oh we got to target Angelina. And if you know if Alec is a seventh vote with the David's that that could be an easy person that they pinned the vote on this week. All right. Additional prediction opportunity for you. If Angelina is the merge boot, and she's boated out here. Does she give up her ankle length sweater? And if so who does she bequeathed to? I think that she pays it forward. And does not give a sweater to anyone. Wow. Dark. What a what a terrible thing. That would be you got to give up your sweater. You're making all this fuss about the jackets then you gotta you gotta give up your own jacket now Corum decorum survivor decorum. Okay. All right. So actions, I think that sounds plausible. I could absolutely see that happening. All right now. I'm running out of, you know, easy people to get rid of this week here at the merge, I will say how about this. We've seen there be some strife between the David's. I don't know if this is the likeliest scenario, but could potentially Elizabeth be the target here at the merge, where that you know, who is the most likely David to go home. You know, we have only six David's the goliaths have the majority if they're going to go after one of the David's I'd say the David has rubbed the most. David's the wrong way is probably Elizabeth, and you know, maybe could Karl Davey throw in with the goliaths for a vote and go after Elizabeth of the merge. Yeah. I could see that as well. I really have been loving Lisbeth. So that would break my heart. But we did have this very weird seeing this week of her being really upset about the bamboo in the shelter and needing the sleep better and everything that was going on with her back. And you wonder why that's in there is that in there because it's setting up some kind of imminent conflict between her and Carlin Davey, if not other members of the David tribe, or is this like a low point that we're going to look back on when Elizabeth goes forward and wins the million dollars. And I mean, that's that's such a long way away that if it was like gun to my head of one of those two like this is either setting her up for an imminent fall or a meteoric rise, probably go with the first one in terms of head, but heart would say that she is going to make it really deep. Into this game. I don't think it's a bad pick. If you're looking at the David's on the board to to see Elizabeth as one of the top candidates to go. But she's also she's just been such a surprise. And like, you know, she has she has survived really difficult odds before where you know, whether it was the Jessica vote where it looked like her best friend in the game was about to get voted out. And so she found some way to course. Correct. That or this this second tribal council that she attended where she looked like it was going to be her again, and she's able to get out from under that. So I I feel like to underestimate Elizabeth would be a mistake so air own peril. Opening you're wrong. But I could see it. I could see it. Okay. All right. Josh you've got to interro. I do I should take David. Maybe it'll take to David's your end the first David because you just mentioned him that I will take and also because you've got the person on the battlefield with two idols in his pocket. Why don't I take the other person with an? Title in his possession. And I will take Davey Rickenbacker. Who in reality is enjoying a great week considering the Walking Dead shenanigans big Walking Dead fan Davies a very happy guy. Rick runs. This hero is hero. It says hero. So that's the good news the bad. Do this. See it going home. You think this could be his final episode is what you're saying. Yeah. I could maybe he's gonna get. I hope he doesn't get bit backed by helicopter that would be awful. No, I think that I could imagine Davey going where there does to me feel like there's been this setup where Davy has an idol in his pocket. He is not telling anybody about the idol in his pocket. He was even when he was at a pretty scary numerical disadvantage a few votes ago. He's still sat on it. And I could see Davey being the type that like it's an imperfect comparison, but Kris noble it and just like sit on the idol when real you ought to play the idol if everyone's like, we got to go after gave and David I'm going to be fine. And he just goes home with an idol in his pocket. I could imagine that scenario. I think that that's an area is laws -able and just to take take all the idols. Make sure that they don't all fall in your hands. I we'll take one guy with the idol here. Okay. All right. So that's David. You got one more picking a row? One more picking a row, and I don't I don't feel great about any of these pictures to that. I'm debating between and. I think I'm going to take Christian Friis chins, I'm gonna take Haas the Haas of the broach chose. I think it's a terrible pick here at seven tell me why you like it. I think because you go into the merge looking to knock out somebody who is going to be a an agreeable threat to take out at this point. And I think that Christian did unmasks himself in the very beginning of the game. It's really hard to stress is. I mean, it's impossible to convey just how incredible that puzzle performance was he's been very smart in a lot of these challenges and capable in these challenges ever since two episodes ago, I think it was where he does like the levers thing, and that looks really great, and he's a member of the broach arches and those guys love him. His social game is very strong. We've already gotten that scene from him this past week episode of like people like. Me now. And like, maybe that's the win. Maybe that's enough. I think that in his own right Christian is potentially deadliest person in the game. And I think to to knock him out here at this opportunity while David is at a numbers disadvantage makes a lot of strategic sense. I think that there's been a lot of story invested in Christian. I feel like there's a lot more still to come from him. I don't feel like his stories over, but I can envision this Inara in which it is prematurely ended here. And I think it is a testament to the people on the field that are still left over that. We have not picked yet that there aren't a lot of great picks right now. I think it's it's you can you can make cases for everybody. But it's also hard to see a lot of these people and how they would go or at least be heartbreaking to to see what these people go. Okay. I'm gonna go at number eight with somebody that if you would've asked me before the season who is the merge boot. I think I would have had this person as the number one pick, and it's a testament to how well they've done this season that they have slip. This far, but I have to take the mayor of slam town here, Mr John Morrison? I mean, I think that he really is the appear to me of somebody. You would typically look to vote out at the survivor merge. A big physical presence seen as a leader. I would imagine. And somebody who I think is going to be a huge target at the merge and really should hope to keep the Goliath numbers because he's not hiding anywhere that he really could use a pa- gong of the David. I think if you are the mayor of slam town. Yeah, I agree. And he was who I would have picked if I didn't pick Christian. It was really, you know, flip a coin. One of these two is going to be the person that I picked, and I think. Yeah. Going into the season. It's almost the surprise that he has lasted this long. That is the type of person that you would imagine going out post swap. But that's what that's what tribe TV was very very. Strong tribe. And I think even within that tribe. He was in no risk of going anywhere. But I think now where we are like if Goliath becomes a really unstable group if David can hold together, very strong. If one of these weird permutations of people come together to turn it against John. I could I could imagine the scenario in which he goes home here. Okay. I'm going to go with pick number nine. I'm going to go with somebody who this is a little outside the box, but I'm gonna go with CARA here. Oh, took my pick. I was going with care next. Okay. And the scenario I think we're CARA goes home this week is where the word that CARA is trying to turn the votes against Alec gets back to Alec. And so if Alec ends up flipping, we're sort of like shades of John where Cascos to Trish, tell me the name who's the person from the other side that you would want to get rid of. And so or vice versa where Trish goes to cast and says, tell me the person from your side that you want to get rid of than Alex says get rid of CARA, right? Yeah. I think so. And like if you're if you're sketching out the scenario where like Alec becomes a double triple quadruple agent. Whatever it would be at that point if he's under fire from Goliath, who's going to be the one selling amount, you can imagine Carol being that person. You can imagine the script being flipped on her. Yeah. Or if I if Dan catches heat and then CARA gets torched by extension, Allah coal. Jessica thing. I feel like that writes itself. Okay. Josh Wigley two picks to one more and somebody's not getting picked to pick. So who's who's left on the? So let me reset. Let me reset for everybody who is still on the board. Available to be picked. Okay. That would be Gabby is available. Nick is available. Mike white is available and Carl is available man. I don't see any of them going this week. To be honest. They really does. No dad picks in v tenth and eleventh pick who's going home this week draft. Right. Right. Right. I mean, I think of those four the likeliest to me is Carl, you know, he's got the no of fire, and you've got to imagine that that is going to be implemented before he goes. Or at least you would hope it's going to be implemented before he goes. And if he goes on with it unplayed, you would imagine that it's going to be religion. But I just think of those four he's probably the person who would make the most sense to me to be targeted. Now, similar for the reasons that you picked Elizabeth like maybe the tables are turned against Karl if he tries so like really push hard for Elizabeth that there's some sort of fracture. There. If Carl goes if he if he doesn't like some of the know it all that he meets over from the Goliath tribe. If there's just in Brixton exactly the Grimes prophecy needs to be fulfilled on so I guess I'll pick Carl. I don't feel great about it. I don't think Carl is gonna go here. I think Carl's probably gonna make it through the week. Do you see a scenario in which Carl goes home this week? It would be hard to triangulate. Exactly how that happens. Right. And I don't feel good about any of Gabby, Mike or Nick either. I'd be like, Nick, Nick and Mike linked right now. I think they seem really tight they seem like they're probably protected by Angelina who is in good with Goliath. Maybe if there is some sort of like Angelina overplays her hand and people are like I'm done with and I don't wanna play with Angelina. But it's dangerous to go after Angelina right now for whatever reason. So it's cut one of the people that she's coming here from Jack Benny whizzed, maybe then it's Mike or Nick. Well, you know, it so I have Mike white as my t h r q in a this week. And if you were trying to predict it ethically than you would think that means he's not going to go home this week. But I had but I had an excuse me. I had Lisa as. Excuse me. I have Lear says my QNA last week that she got voted out like days later and went on the exit interview Tor so that rule no longer applies, and I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and say that that rule is gonna go to weeks in a row. Mike weight's going to be talking to me on HR tomorrow. And you're going to be three a trend. They later factually, the why not gun to my head. Let's just take my k- the Mike why at the merge unless he asked to be voted out. I can't I can't see it. But it just to go back to Karl that I do think that there's a little bit of you know, I think the door is open slightly just because if we're looking at the David's, and we're looking at you know, what relationships do David's have with the goliaths. I think Carl is the one David that you could put a circle around that from what we've seen on the show has no relationship with a Goliath where we've seen Alec. You know, he's he's talking to Davy. He's talking to. Elizabeth? Cara is talking to David talking Elizabeth that Carl came back from exile. And then we didn't really see him interact with a, you know, either of the goliaths on the show, and maybe you know, through Davey he has a relationship with with Alec now. But if the glides get together, and they say, okay. Well, I want to protect my person I want to protect my person. Maybe there's no Goliath. That's vouching for Carl good that works wherever it we're gonna try to come up with a theory of how it happened. So I had the last pick. I have to go with either. So you picked Mike white and decide between Nick or Gabby. I'll take Nick let's let let Gabby go be safe and go be off on exile island. But I said with Steven, you know, I thought that there was a chance that that Nick could be the merge vote just simply that he is coming into the merge, and he sort of fits the profile of sort of, you know, young athletic guy at the merge in in the minority of the numbers. If the Goliath stick together, and they have to pick a person, maybe there's only you know, Angelina and Mike vouching for hey nut, Nick. And maybe they don't have enough clout where there's more people from the other tribes that are saying, hey, we got to keep the the David's that we came with so much has been invested in his relationship building, though, you know, whether it's see or the thoroughbreds. Yeah. Like, I just I think that there's more for Nick to do that being said men named Nick don't do well at the top of the merge. There's. If you wanted to be the stand berries or the Myra knows of the world, Nick, join those guys. They could form a band. Right. So get ready for the mayo jar on this week's feedback show. Oh, how about that? He'll be here in studio with me on Friday coming up make sure to give him the hat or else. Something weird. Would that gerbil maker? Stem careful all right before we end up switching gears to this week's wand off, let me take a moment. And thank our sponsor for this week's a wand off competition and those are friends over at legacy box. Ooh. Twenty four legacy box. No, no legacy. Well, unless you have the entire collection of twenty four on VHS or some other media that you would like to have digitize I have several of the early seasons of twenty four that are loved to digitize. Just skip the DVD and Blu Ray purchasing part of it. And just get this on the to be on. Its I I'm pretty sure that they're not going to get involved with copyrighted media to be phys because this legacy box is something that's much better. Josh Wigley legacy box. What they are going to do is. They will take your old home media, whatever format you have. And they will digitize it so that it can be viewed by you here in twenty eighteen twenty nineteen and beyond because we've all got a ton of old movies old home movies that are really inaccessible to all of us. And there's so many people in our families. Especially with the holidays coming up thanksgiving all of the Christmas. Hanukkah you name it all coming up. This is the greatest gift that you could give to your family to digitize these movies that have been forgotten. Josh that sounds like a great plan. I should talk to my mother about this. She has lots of great sizzling video of your wiggly, truly. Yes. Maybe some of that stuff. You would not like to have digitized. Right. 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Visit legacy box dot com today to get started. They've got a great offer for our listeners with a exclusive discount. Go to legacybox dot com slash rob. To get forty percents off your first order or percent. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Or save up to two hundred dollars on the largest legacy box kit. Go to legacybox dot com slash rob to save forty percent today. Get started preserving your pass, and I wonder. If I was even older would they make an even bigger discount along the way. Now, Josh tell me we did hear recently that you're not supposed to get any older than you've gotten. So chefs can't be locked in at forty if he can now again, Josh that you have I'm sure a bunch of home movies. Well, what do you have those on Betamax? Now, I'm going to hang up the phone on you much like a podcast guest earlier in the week. His his mom. Remind me. You're making happy the rest of my mind. Chuckle shock. Just eat your. You could. The rest of you. Rob. You know, I was thinking that the next time. You have Randy back on the pie can feel comeback on. But yeah. Well, he'll come back. He always comes back up does when he does you should hang up on him. Well, what will you here? If you're listening to the podcast hang up on ran does. He he gets surly gets angry gets ready to hang up on you. And you get the jump on ran does the pot guest end. Or Randy ends the podcast. It ends. It goes straight into the voice mails without Lascher last year again for continuity, see. Okay. All right. Well, let me think about lots thing about if you want a veggie kebabs see what see what it tastes like. Okay. Disrespected the great man debate hours. I would love to have a beer with him. Okay. Fun week on the podcast between Randy and Allie sounds like a lot of people. Enjoy the podcast for the most part this week. So always happy to hear that as we are headed into the. Merge here of rob as podcast last week. Josh wig ler. Let's talk about what happened in the wand off. Of course, Kirk Clark, the great tabulate or looks at all of this stuff and has compiled the results for a week number five here in the wand off. Okay. So we have our top three. Did we settle on a jacket design for the winner of this year's wombats competition? I I have yet to see any. I don't think that you, and I have come to official conclusive consensus on what we want the jacket to be. I have seen an overwhelming amount of support for the fact that probably ought to be a members only jacket in whatever is only jacket O'Connor of his jacket that being said, I did look around to see what would need to be done to customize a members only jacket, and I'm striking out. Like, I was hoping that somebody would send this design a prototype that hasn't happened. So. So get to that people. You'll get he obviously get away with wombat tat if you design the the wand off, Jack, you don't get a jacket unless the actual jacket design Accu let's not be crazy here have your jacket maker or something like that. Yeah. But you'll get the wombats at for sure. So submit those designs wiggle room at Rama's, website dot com. Place to send those in. Okay. All right. So we have here in third place. Here we had a tie. It was a tie with thirteen point that we've never had this before a tie for third place. Josh. Very exciting. You guys get nothing. Yes. A tie for third place. It was mad from Waterloo with his song about Giambi and Becky and Taylor with my jacket that was a tie for thirty planes for birthday one. That is a that is off the menu. Okay. And then it was tight for the race for first place. The winner had thirty three point five percent second-place at twenty nine point six seven percent in second place. It was Graham from the bay with I'm keeping this jacket. And I place it was somebody who for the second time in three weeks as one Winkler's wombats hat and has won the wand off again, I'm happy to say that is Karen from Canada. They drink saucers of mouth. Now, I gotta say deep regret, and I will spoil the embargo here. I did not ask Mike white. What it feels like to be a humanoid cat. That was a mistake on my part. So it'd be nice to know if he was like, I have no idea what you're talking about. Or he's like, oh, yeah. That's funny. No, no. I don't think I ever want to broach the subject, I don't wanna know one way or the other. I want this to live on the fantasy in my heart and mind, forever either way. Congratulations Karen from Canada. Yeah. All right. So let's go ahead. And let's bring in the host of the wand off the late. Great Casey case is back here again, rob. It's a pleasure today back here with you. And Josh here for another week of the lawn of Casey how many birthday wand offs. Did. We get for Jeff Probst this week thousand. We got so many. But we just don't have time to play them all here on this show. Okay. Maybe Anna soundcloud. This is rob. I don't know. I don't know if we if we have access to all the Jeff Probst birthday one at they were all recorded on VHS and our en route to legacy box to get digitize. So we'll get in touch with everybody wants that's done. And since you last Josh all of my home movies are indeed on data max air on data. Max dawson. All right. Josh Wigley where about to get into this week's honorable mentions. But I think it is worth repeating here as we get into the Armagh mansions and ultimately into the top five one of for the week. We get a lot of entries, and it's a difficult decision. Every week to decide who gets into the honorable mentions and who gets into the top five, and I just wanted to say before we begin this segment with peace and love peace and love that it is a very difficult decision. And I hope that everyone respects the decisions that get made come this fide Kath. It's a lot of work to get to this point. Somebody was the victim of a robot apocalypse, it would sound like I k c k some and K C k similar loan take full responsibility for any songs that should get into the top. Five that down. And I would really appreciate it. If people don't give rob sister NATO that hard of a time is a good guy. I worked with him for many years. And if you have thank you, Casey. I appreciate that tweet at pineapple boy twenties, and we've opened up hey account for you to send all of your Wanda of negative feedback to he's on Twitter and as pineapple boy twenty seven. That goes directly to the Wanda. I'll home office. History Twitter that being said it was obviously a high profile snap last week. Is it is with the robot? Army? Josh, we're losing you. Listen, we're losing your connection. Come back back back back back back returned. All right. We'll start off this week's honorable mentions with a special message from one of our longtime listeners to last week's feedback show guests here is there great Lindell from Australia with a special dedication that goes out to Bradley Clyde wants. What's? Twenty. Lindo from Austria was very concerned about Bradley needing to be meta vac from pre Jerry trip. Let me get this straight. So you're beginning. What's the problem? This week of the one is a beginning with a song about a different season of survivor completely different season of survivor. That's right. And it's also focused entirely on poop. This is how we're starting one this week K's. And all your complaints to the direct inbox for the one off at pineapple boy twenty-seven on Twitter. Old business. Always take care of the old business. And then we get to new business. You don't have to share everything that comes in from Landau who I like a lot. Why are you singing about poop and Bradley, Clyde? It's David versus was a beautiful song. Something that came up on the podcasts in the last seven days. It was a great song. But that wasn't even this last week of guests. It was to the other way. In the last eight days on the. That's. Now, turning our attention to this week on survivor. What is happened day and Doug are here. They're in the one Arbel mentions, and they've got us on about some of the struggles that the beanie tribe had this week's immunity challenge. Paul. Trying to. That was a classic jam from Devaux Pinto. Correct. That whip. Her rash whip. Can't think of that song without thinking about Smithers next up. Josh we've got us song all about what's been going on outside of the game over at Ponderosa from our good friend. Eric h have you ever met a woman on survivor who treated you like, you're her job? Or let me tell you story if you will caper with the woman who CEO of newspapers data there wasn't traps with that's what we saw in the game on new hitch for this game that is she was waiting for my jacket. That was from the great artist, Bismarck cases. Of course that works. That's great gosh, we got a lot to get to and Michael Clark is here as well. Yes. He's got a song about this week's candidates to go home from the genie. Tried. Two. That was from a very talented artist g. Aka arsia. Just see is going to work. We're talking about the survivor pantheon. An established character. I guess friend of Cochran CEA. That up. We wanna talk a little about Elizabeth and her as us with the shelter. Here is Lyndal from Tasmania. No sleep on this bad. Back say. Key play. Can oh I can't get no sleep on this. We. Anx lee. From the artist the weekends. Stafford. I have all the cans who had kids Stafford. That's a good Paul a good poll. How many lintels are there in this week on? Off. It's unclear whether Linda from Tasmania is actually just a parody account of Linda from Australia Chrysler on infinite lintels as a Kurd in the same way that. TJ Takahashi something else Burke was Staka. She is a parody of DJ Lebel, CLYDE. We don't know. We haven't heard from Burke west gosh, quite some time. Okay. Next up. We're still talking about Elizabeth and her issues with her lumbar support. That was great and talented artists. Napalm Natalie Imbruglia. I can't remember if we've had torn on here before if not I'm surprised that it's taken so long. I think it's probably I think we've got it before. Okay. Glasses song. Love the saw recently at certainly not this week. Okay. Tim didn't get. Next up. Josh we've got one with Becky n Taylor who've collaborated with Aaron Robertson. Wow. Power trio brew. You. Never. So. Much attention. Business. That was moving ballad from the great band. The Bradley Clete goals. And there's nothing interview rhymes with eagles. Trust me. I spent the entire afternoon working on it. I understand if you how quickly you forget, though, I understand why forgot desperado was featured here not too long ago during the birthday wind upset you would what did you say Casey come up with she -ation or the beautiful things that people do for you. It was the eagles had flown. The coop. Much like the. Yeah. Also, a reach also indeed the Brad legals is definitely better. That's incredible. And that should be on T shirt. We're not gonna give away during the one. But if someone wants to take that idea and run with Jonny fairplay, if you're listening. I think that's a good idea. Lindo from Australia might already be working on. The Bradley cly Australian tour God the logo on the shirt. I'd I dare not see it. That's. That that next up. We've got another duo. It's Alex and Emma are and they too are talking about Christians acceptance into a new group of broS such a broad shot show. Broach. Joe? God the votes excuse me. Elizabeth's back his bro emerge calming March Z's in after. That was a jam from Konya Westman and featuring little aqua pump. Akademik evocative Vakhidov week here on the wand off with imagery coursing through your brain canals with all the ferocity of the worst stomach aches Darnell Hamilton Dame. Dame, not good next up. Honorable mentions. It's another Wanda off staple filty is here. And he's talking about some of the outerwear. You might see Ponderosa. Hundred thousand. Ponderosa split. Now got enough coast to get a fetish. So many nerds. The game. And cried if you can then you play just like. These expensive. Probably by jacket from the nearest. That was a great jam by Jimmy TI. I like it. I like that quite a lot. All right. And Josh here to close out the Oural mentions that I have to include another song here from Aaron Robertson. Aaron Robertson has been hard at work all week long. Aaron Robertson loves the wand off he wants nothing more than to be included in the wand off honorable mentions and even the top five Aaron Robertson submitted four different tracks this way. My god. Aaron keep keep doing it. You're gonna make it you're getting there, you're close. Here's Aaron Robertson. Talking about the janey trod. Travesty the challenge this week. Come on. Anyone on this? You know what I should gone higher? Let me let me let me join this. Let me let me join this. We made. I know. All right. That's all. I had to say. I know I'm like the Nick Wilson the Wanda at this point. But it was really good good. That off my chest. So much better. Now. Was so lean Dietz on one of the four one offs from Aaron Robertson. This week Aaron Robertson doing his part to boost the number up to four hundred one off submitted a week. Erin. I love you can send in. One in four one what you don't need to send in for one offs for rob who will not be able to help himself together. One day, you're going to make them remix songs. It's not gonna be good. He needs to live life. You need to live your life. Need to live your life. Don't you dare after the Walking Dead already? Did this? Rick rolled. Fair. The foreign. What's happening on my? All right. Let's get to top five songs in the country. Of course, we sung I should say. Voice. You can vote all week long early. Voting is open. Go to rob website dot com slash vote. Want to vote all week for this week's wound up for the winner from week six, of course, big shout out to Randy new ple who has uploaded everything to our weekly Wanda playlist available to patrons of rob. As a podcast, the cloud. You'll get a link and we've also got it in the robs a podcast patron group and also be on the lookout for music videos of all of the finalists coming to you from Jason Curtis. We're there. All right. Let's get to this week's top five. Of course. Peace and love love any feedback about the top five can be sent to us on Twitter at pineapple boy twenty seven. We're going to start things off with Becky and Taylor who have a song. They submitted multiple. Seconds. They've got us on anthem for this week's loaded out. Good test in Larisa. Comic book. That was a great rock anthem from Ramona grace. Joey, Ramone was real favorite of mine. That was great so bit just that one submit your strong wand off the top five more the one that's strong, the strong Wanda that was a strong one. What's up? Like that song. And you did a great job with it. Next up. Our number two one this week comes to us from the raining season winning champ of the wand off and that would be Tyler Jacob Jones. Goddess song all about the sad feelings that Gabby has towards ally. Christian. Now, he's. He's. Three. These friends. Why is he? He's. Is really a strategy. Maybe want to align with me. Was beautiful song from Dina Bennett Menzel. Oh my God. I loved defense of the crime, we stand crying Queen here on the wa. It's fine. It's fine able cry on survivor all the time all the time. That was great back. Our sometimes people cry after podcasts. Casts. Next up happened next up. I'm proud to announce a new collaboration from a brand new Wanda off artists. They're calling themselves Sammy and the shower man, featuring Corey and all about Christian and his new found proficiency for going into the ocean and getting food. Christian. Fishing show. Approach. Yes. Come with. Thing. Don't do this. Not really sure if this job is essential. Big. Spiel with? Certainly. Eight. David. Opponents. I think he's are the steps. Two. That. That was instructive song from Brenda lonely. Very clever Fisher the Haas's a clever play on the actual title of. That's all right. Shell not. Knickebocker would also work. Nick Wilson finds himself in a box season. Next up. Josh we have our number four Wanda of the week. And this one comes to us from Nick, Fishman Robertson. Wow. This is the one to sending you're in the top. Trying to kill us. And trying to kill us. Nick. And Erin have a song about what Christian has learned about the spear. Hi, my name is Aaron and I approve this one. My best. Everyone wants. Physic-? Physical that we have to dump pick any I'm bond Nedim on the molecule about emerge with three come on the beach and spill some we had been blindsided see is people trying to control the they'd be asking me was that illegal nuclear school cues is braided in the the. Camman commence the science tonight prepared to be informed. What is right now in the Merced boot now wanted to be Crist succumb in the robot? Man, my hypothesis. That was another snappy number from the B B, B Anderson. Honestly, very very good. I also just received a text message from my wife. Ooh, just heard me screaming in the other room. And it says one word and the word is Abe. Okay. Cut it out or w t f it was just text message that my one of my many wives sent me on numerous occasion. I'm moving into an office building soon, and I'm very nervous for doing the wiggle room podcast in like a public space. I'm gonna make many enemies, I'm gonna have to document, the I'll keep you suppose. I want my wife to watch my back anymore. And this is probably saved my life on more times than I can count. Right. Not to get arrested for disturbing the peace. If I do I hear that. There is a public defender on survivor right now who occasionally listens to the podcast. So nick. Call me and then last but not least no top six this week. Because the we have rounded out the top five with a man who's no stranger to making it this far given week of the wand off is it Aaron. There is one. There is one Aaron Roberts in Wanda. That's on accounted for which you can hear on the sound cloud. And trust me. It's quite good. It's not in the top five. That being said we will go to one of the resin wand off stars DJ Lebel Klein he's back talking about what's been going on outside of the game at the Potter. Josh called this the. Might be right. We need one more thing to put it. So what is happening? I think us on. Not on. Ten. What? Probably. Macho? W. We don't know anybody. Send them to. Russa? Really? Wrong song. All. Next. Very reminiscent of the season thirty five winning one. From the La Belle Klein strong effort from DJ about line. I am I'm tickled tickled. Especially the beginning of that song. Sounds like the Junan theme from final fantasy seven for those. Who know what I'm talking about? That's probably ten to twelve people would be my bet. Best bet. I think that's. Liberal estimate. We hope your favorites made the top five this week. And if not as always direct your attention and your feedback to pineapple boy seven on Twitter. Can vote all week long. Rob has a website dot com slash vote Wanda special. Thanks again took heard Clark, Josh Wigley. Oh, you can hear all the songs all your favorites? Even the ones that didn't get picked to go in this sound cloud, robs a website dot com slash patron signing off for the week. This is Casey could genius. What a great job on the one. Work Casey Jason puts in. I think this week broke me. Okay. This week broke me. Broken. All right. Suddenly it's hot in the room. Started off it was cold in the room. And now it's hot. Jacket off. My parka is off the jacket is off. I'm willing to give it to anyone who is cold because hot Haas hot. All right hoc- there. You'll be okay. And one programming note before we start to wrap up the show next week. Joshua. And I are going to be recording the wand off on Sunday evening usually recorded on Monday afternoon. So Aaron Robertson pay attention. Sunday night. We have a busy Monday. A lot of stuff going on is my son Anthony's birthday as well. So that have to go to a dinner party for a student's thesis. Yes. Okay. So we're going to be recording on Sunday night. Josh we're gonna have a big Sunday night plan because we have the oh the wiggle room coming up, and then we're going to be back together on the Walking Dead recap for the first time in a minute. We're going to have all of that coming up one day of fun filled podcast and coming up on Sunday. So just says a note to all the wand off artists that get your wand off in by Sunday afternoon. Okay. So a little bit of a quick turnaround this week on the wand off so get procrastinating out of the way early and then they get pen to paper. On your week number seven one offs or your strong number seven podcasts. Or your strong number seven one. Those are. Okay. All right. So get your emerged one in a day early. All right. We've got so much going on here. Of course, if you haven't heard it yet, I talked about the thirteen archetypes with AJ mass that's up in the podcast feed. I also checked in with the coal. Did he did he say was the Aaron Robertson survivor? David versus. The basics at architecturally good offseason. Podcasts. AJ mask is the thirteen archetypes of the law and off. That's an incredible. Who's the fresh meat whose captain loophole? Who's the marriage of convenience too many? There's a lot. Yeah. Who's the diplomat? Find out coming this off season to rob as podcast. We'll do that. Okay. And then I also check him with the first lady of podcasting as well. On that podcast to get cold thoughts at the merge, what isn't a call. We haven't talked to Nicole on the podcast about survivor since the preseason who is Nicole liking not liking. That's all in one podcast. And then of course, we've got a lot a lot still coming up. And of course, we'll be back with a live survivor node halls after the episode this Wednesday night, and then we will also have kellyn Bechtold on the recap. Mayo of slam town here on this week's feedback show. We'll get back together for the wiggle room. In one week's time, that's incredibly exciting. My survivor ghost island winter pick, and my least favorite survivor player of all time on the podcast in the same. That's all in one week. And of course, if you haven't heard it yet, we invite you to check out the RHA BNB Mike in Liana caught up with Nick yet danza. And then of course, a why Lear lost with David Bloomberg. And Jessica Lewis also up in our survivor feed and our ups feed amazing. There you go. Wow. The content here on RH not to mention we have got a lot of positive feedback about the recap of this week's Walking Dead. But I did Jessica. I seem to enjoy it. Kid. Also, Josh wiggle get together with Jessica lease at some point also to talk about Walking Dead as well. That is correct. I'm looking forward to that. That's happening in an hour and a half from the time that we finished recording post show recap that I'm Poche. Poche mention I have also been covering the final season of house of cards on post show recap. So I've gotten back together with Zach Brooks to cover the final eight episodes of house of cards every single episode of that show since season two. And so we're time we're gonna we're gonna put the showdown, eight episodes. Yeah. Put it down. And so the first of those with Zach brook that's up on postal recap. So we will have the rest of the slate coming out in November on post show recap. So a lot of also may have a bonus arriver podcast a second bonus over this week. Oh, any tease anything? This is news. I don't like to say what it is. If these things fall through. Tell me when we finish. Sure. Sure. Sure. It's not going to be too much game talk. But. Working on something else for you guys as well. So so much stuff going on. I am having a great time so much podcasting. I'm doing almost nothing else. But this is I'm feeling I'm back to my roots. Josh what's new, you know, this is this is a classic day in the life of me in front of this microphone. It's my favorite happy. You're happy, man. All right. Well, you're at the top of your game, bro. Chacho killed this week. And you may have killed me. I hope you're okay. Hope your wife isn't too concerned about you. Response. Of course, four everything we have going on with the rob has a podcast. Hey tree on program. You get access to all of the Wanda tracks for the week the patron five for five the monthly patron cast, happe- sewed so much more. Go to rob dot com slash patron. For more information follow Josh Wigley on Twitter is at round Howard and have a wonderful day. Everybody. Take care have a good one. Bye weirds me out about the Rockstars is when they're doing guitar twang there. Meowing? The cats. Rebranding? My the cats. If we want to dig deeper into that my. My.

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The Going-Through Test  Part 1

Joyce Meyer Radio Podcast

14:29 min | 1 year ago

The Going-Through Test Part 1

"Welcome to enjoying everyday life with new york times. Bestselling author joyce meyer on today's program joyce will be teaching from her series don't panic. This is just a test going through. Trials is something that all of us face in life. Jesus understood this when he said in this world you'll have tribulation but he did not stop up there. He went on to say but take heart. I have overcome the world. This was a promise that in the midst of trials god is in control of everything and he is sovereign overall. Sometimes i'm scott allows us to go through difficult situations because it's during those times that our faith is tested and strengthened learning how to face trials and temptations will draw us closer a gun and help us to become more like him in the process now. Here's joyce with today. Series don't panic. This is just a test. We're gonna talk tonight tonight about passing going through test or talking about how we're tested in life and let's look first at james chapter one verse toyo so we always want promotion but we don't always want to be tested and tried. I see if we're actually ready for that. Promotion that we're asking for so james one twelve blessed happy to be envied as the man who's patient under trial and stands up stands up under temptation for when he has stood the test and been approved a will receive the victors crown of life which god has promised to those who love of him. It's time for us to stop running from things. It's time to start confronting things and facing things and dealing with things and locating maybe some of the so hard to do and more unpleasant things in your life that you have a tendency to procrastinate on and put off and put off and put off and i would like to send you home ready to no longer not only to not put those things off but ready to attack those things and so i am not gonna keep letting this thing torment me and taunt me aw and make me feel guilty. I'm not gonna let it continue to make me feel guilty. How many of you know that when we put it off. Put it off. Put it off and we know we're supposed to do it. All it. It does is make us feel guilty but it's time for me to face the goliaths in my life. We've all got him. You know aw goliath could be a giant of debt a lifetime of bad relationships. You just don't know how to get along with people a lot of bad choices so now instead of beginning to make good choices. Sometimes we just want to sit around and feel sorry for ourselves because our life is in such a mess perhaps goliath for you is alive this just seriously out of order her in in lots of areas. Maybe you don't have one goliath. Maybe you've got his whole family one thing. I wanted to say really early in this message messages. I don't want to forget this when i'm finished and you may think you know how i got twenty things in my life that i need to do that with take them one at a time. You don't have to overcome everything all at once. You just need to be making progress name in because if you try to look at the whole thing at once it's going to overwhelm you. So what you need to do is ask god help you choose an area. You need to get straightened out. You need to confront with jesus by your side now and then you're gonna work with god on that thing until you know that that goliath has been slain and then bring another one. Perhaps your goliath is a dirty house some paper out trying to cast out devils and they don't even have authority over thankful a dirty dishes yet. Maybe it's an addiction of some kind. Maybe it's a broken heart. That's been bleeding for way way too long. I think i need to say that again. Maybe it's a broken heart. Abreus are wound emotionally. That's been bleeding for way way way too long and you know what god wants to help you. He'll give you beauty for ashes but you've got to give up your ashes to get the beauty now. That's about a four part series so i'll just leave that there for now. Perhaps i an anger issue. That's a big goliath. Perhaps it's a bitterness issue. Are your at your easily offended. You're touchy. You're insecure. I want you to understand understand the night that those are just not your hangup are your weaknesses are are your thing or your problem but they're goliaths in your life. They're giants in your alive but i i also need to tell you that. If you're a christian you are giant killer. You may not know it yet but you will know it by the time you get outta here tonight. You are a giant killer. Now we wanna look for just a little bit at david and the story of goliath because there are so many lessons sons that we can learn from this. Let's go to i samuel chapter seventeen beginning in verse thirty two and i'll warn ahead of time. I'm going to finish this message even have to preach a little bit longer longer than i normally do. It's eight eleven and most of you didn't even go out when you used to do the other things you used just to do it until nine thirty or ten o'clock so don't be getting itchy if the services and over in two hours you can have a different kind of hangover in the morning. Holy ghost hangover can get up and just a man man that just i am you'll seventeen thirty two david said to saul let no-man's heart fail because of this listen mm-hmm. I'll go out and fight with him now. David is just a young boy and he's been out in the field taking care of sheep and his brother belittled him said unkind things to him. When the prophet came to anoint a new king thought so little david they didn't even bring him in from the field to be considered but even when you're being slighted by other people god can have his eye on you and he can have you you in a place where he's training you for greatness amen so all of these israelites standing around staring at this giant giants making fun of israel. L. and it's really bothering david. He doesn't like the fact that all of these so-called men of god are just standing around letting goliath rule ooh and so he said i'll go well. They didn't think david could go and you know. No you can't do that. You're too young to this. You're to that end in verse thirty. Four david said to saul your servant kept his father sheep and while i was doing that there came a lion and then a bear and they took a lamb out of the flock and i went out after it killed it delivered the lamb your servant killed both the lion and the bear and this uncircumcised listin zain shelby just like one of them you know god started with a little goliath and then a little bigger goliath you know there's a lion and the bear is bigger than the line and now are we get this huge giant. If you ever noticed that sometimes god will call you to conquer a little things and it's a bigger thing you know. Sometimes you think is this ever going to be over with well. I don't wanna disappoint you but probably not because if god were to reveal to anyone of us right now all the issues that we have we would probably just fall over dead but he's good to us and he just shows us. A little bit of time works with us on that then shows a little bit of time and works on that god is good and then in verse forty. I'm just skipping through here here a little bit when david did go out to fight goliath after they finally agreed to let him and solves at lunch. You're going to go here. Take my armor and david tried to do that and he said i i. I can't do this. This is not my way. This is not how god's gonna work through me and then we got do something very unconventional like mentioned last night. David took five smooth stones and a slingshot and he killed that giant didn't use the ordinary weapons didn't get out the big sword and the big spear all the the body armor he just kinda did what was in his heart a simple little thing but god anointed it and you gotta understand that if you we'll just do what you can do god will anoint that and you can have a miracle in your life but you're a partner with god and and you you can priam okay and pray and pray and brian pray and don't suggest that you get in works of the flesh and just start doing a bunch of stuff to make something happen but as you pray god's gonna show you something to do some corner time. God's gonna show you something to do and if you don't do it then god's not going to do anything either because you have apart and god has apart he. You won't do your part and you can't do his part. Let me say it again. If you do what you can do god will do what you cannot do. Aw now i want us to look a little bit more this because i just think it gets better and better when david went out to face this goliath david even said to the fullest and you come to me with sword spear. I'm inverse forty-five you come to me with a sword in the spirit of javelin. He had all the big armor but i come to you in the name name of the lord of host so he really didn't even probably need the stones and the slingshot. He knew what he needed. I come to you in the the name of the lord the god of israel whom you have defied and this day the lord will deliver you into my hand and i will smile at you and i will cut off your head and i will give the corpses. This is the army of the date of the birds of the air and the wild beasts of the earth that all the earth may know that there is a god in israel. You know what don't ever run it goliath with with your mouth shut. I always make sure your prophesying ahead of time. What's going to happen hated run anymore. I'm afraid they're really big and a little and i hope this works as like look buddy. This is it for you because i'm coming at you with the name of the lord of host and this day i will cut off your head and you will not and this will happen and that will happen and that will happen verse forty seven and all this is i shall know that the lord save not with sword and spear for the battle is the lord's and he will give into our hands now verse forty eight is the verse that i'm really after and when the fullest came forward to meet david david got scared and ran from the problem and went around the mountain one more time david ran quickly toward the battle. He didn't run away he ran toward and i would imagine that everybody in the building can use this message in in some way shape or form. Maybe some of you more than others because there are people in here have been walking with god for many years and you shouldn't have as many problems as you had years ago hopefully so you've only got one or two little goliaths left in your life but the point is i want you to go home with a brand new attitude and that the attitude is i'm a giant killer and i'm not running for my problems any more. I'm not gonna run from the issues in my life breath if i've made a mess out of my finances and i've gotten myself in debt. I'm going to take responsibility for it. I'm going to stop blaming. I'm gonna stop making excuses and god if you you will show me what you need to do to get out of this mess. I will do it in jesus name. I don't throw stones at me when i say this but you know how people take care of themselves physically as a big issue in their lives and this and that and something else and i'm i'm addicted to sugar and i'm addicted to chocolate one cookie. I've gotta eat a dozen no you don't you're a giant killer. Stop saying things like that. Stop leading getting a piece of pie. Rule you and boss you around. Don't get up every morning thinking you know i know i need to start a diet. I know i need to know any. I don't know what my problem is. I could probably tell you but you might not like me if i did. It's not easy but you can do it. The longer you've had a problem the more rooted it is in your life but you are dr giant killer and in the name of christ with him by your side. You can do whatever you need to do now. We'd all don't all need to look like twiggy. Wanna know the truth. I think e had a little meat on her bones. In the garden. We don't all have the same body shape the same body sizes and people are just put together differently but what you need to start playing is that god will help you feel good and look good and in writing and have energy that you will wait what he wants you to whatever that is too obsessed with in our nation and the bottom line on is if it's an issue to you then. Don't let it roll you anymore. Thanks for listening learn how to live. God's peace with today's offer the stay calm package includes a three cd series and the overcoming anxiety paperback book or purchase everything as a digital download. This package is available now for a donation of twenty dollars or more the u._s. Bonds and we do accept all major credit cards. You can order today's offer from our website at joyce meyer dot org for you can call us toll free at one eight hundred seventy nine zero zero eight nine again. The number is one eight hundred seventy nine zero zero eight nine. We'll have you ever felt like you're in a battle but don't know how to win. I know how you feel because i've been there at different times in my life so i understand how you can experience an overwhelming fear and not fully trusting god. That's why i'm so so excited to share with you. My newest book your battles belong to the lord. This book will teach you how god into battle plan just for you and your situation coming soon. Your battles belong to the lord. Preorder your copy at joyce meyer dot org today. Thanks again for listening to enjoying everyday life our mission here at joyce meyer. Ministries is simple sharing christ and loving people remember together we can do more.

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Bonus Episode - Women With Tabrets

All God's Women

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Bonus Episode - Women With Tabrets

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Episode 213:  Stupid Code of Honor

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Episode 213: Stupid Code of Honor

"School. Defenders of the night the most trusted source for top to bottom coverage of everyone's favourite mid-nineties animated program. Gargoyles. In your host Daniel Williams I am your other House Eliza Circle Liz Oh my God we're here we're not doing city is stone anymore is a new era of defenders of the night. Except for this is clearly city of stone part five, we're going to get into it today we're covering gargoyles season two episode thirteen high noon. Yeah. I was expecting cowboys. I was expecting Westerns did not get any of that? No not at all. Elizabeth. This episode aired September Twenty Fifth Nineteen Ninety five it was directed by Dennis J woodyard have we seen him before we have not it was written by Cary Bates do you remember cary? Bates I do buy your little handy note cary Bates wrote Episode Two oh six, the silver afoul clan. Now I just assumed that cary bates kind of had one lane. You know I don't know why because he's only written one episode that's not fair for me to judge but he proves to us that he can ruin other genres well. Did we like this Silver Falcon, the I remember that episode I just don't remember my feelings on it I feel like we both thought it was a decent. Yeah. It was fine. That's kind of felt about this one spoilers. Oh, I had to increase my font size in my notes because I couldn't yell loud enough with bold all caps. Oh Wow. There are a lot of caps holy shit. All right I'm excited. Listeners that was quite a preview and you know this is usually the place where we beg and plead for more five star ratings and reviews. So we're going to do that now. Yeah listeners. Enjoying the show and I don't know maybe even if you're not enjoying the show though while you're listening I, don't understand. But whatever please take the time to give us those bang and ratings and reviews we need hanging come on. Well. Now, with that out of the way I suppose we need to begin discussion of high new. Okay. So I think that it starts off pretty poorly we start in the D. Cue brain scape you remember the old Deke Brands Gape, right? Yeah. The main palace coup in four. Loko. are just been little snugly romantic motherfuckers. This is true until earring gargoyles shows up to be a DICKHEAD. I. Like how immediately says nothing come between us now and then scary earing guy is just like Ma- ear. And he doesn't say anything no. Apparently, they did something that he can't actually touch with them anymore. Oh, is that your read on it because I was just like why? Why can't t come between you now? He's they're being annoying. Yeah. He's like a fly the you can't get rid of for sure Boston around like a Dick okay. And that's that scene. He just he's like Nah I'm here go away. He's like, no. Hearing. Anyway yes. Okay we. Leave there and go to the clock tower where Lexington's just sticking around with de Cue's little computer. Yeah. It's one of those slow beginnings of an episode everybody's hanging out like you said Lexus hacking the I don't know at Broadway they're reading the newspaper together it's really fucking They're reading to each other. It's very sweet. Broadway gets stuck on the word, right? Okay. There's a couple constant clusters in there that I could see like being confused about. What Liz you go at your own pace okay. Well everyone's Chillan. Dream Boat shows up. She's so sue epee okay. I got a little annoyed with this. She just kept fucking yawning and Yanni and being like arm tired I'm like, okay. Go to bed. Dude. League. Why did you come up? Here is a long way to come. You don't have to go see them every time they're awake. Well, you know what? She brought some books for Lexington because he studying computer viruses because he's trying his damnedest to get dijk you up and running again I've got clip because it really describes how I feel these days the virus that attack Colston wiped his programming clean nothing's broken but nothing's working either. It's a blank slate even the virus gone ever feel like that is. Just like the model for twenty. Twenty. Yeah. So I thought it was weird that lex said he wasn't detecting anything going on in D.C brain because we just saw inside the brain scape like something's happening why can't he detect that? Well, it's says something about magic I guess the magic is working but the computer stuff isn't Really Lazy explanation. There are a few really lazy explanations in this episode but. I guess if that's how we're going to get through to the next scene share. Fine. Okay. Yeah. I also thought it was weird that lex thinks that he can build an os like he's a computer programmer now. Mod like Olympic system what would we do? What are we saying about Lexington here? It's always so convenient how he happened magically no. Whatever system it is that he suddenly needs. Maybe that's it Liz. You just explained it without even realizing it's magic. It's magic that he knows technology. Yeah. I'm we got two guys over here. They can barely read Lexington knows how to program computers now, right? Okay. So. Everyone's feeling sweep because the sun's about to come up. So Dream Boat She's like I gotTa head home I'm GonNA catch some Z's no she what she say I'm GonNa hit the hey, hit the yeah. I think she says hit the Hay and Hudson has feelings about that. I still don't understand colloquialisms. We don't have those in my native tongue. Oh English like. The. Dudes they all go outside and here's something that it's taken me like fifteen or so episodes to think about but. Why don't they stay inside the clock tower? This building isn't used to having gargoyles so it wouldn't be a shock to Nazi gargoyles up there. and. Wouldn't it be safer if they were hidden away inside the building delay time you think I'm way too late to be making this revelation because they've been living here for quite some time. But when it hit me yesterday when I was watching this what the Goddamn in what the fuck I was really mad about. It's not safe out there guys. They're just worried for their wellbeing I. Am I mean, I. Don't know how tall building is. It's definitely not as tall as Santos Tower, which was also weird that they were doing all their poses up there I think that was more than just used to it right? Like that's how they live in that castle. That's fair. That's totally fair but you, Gotta Figure it's a couple hundred feet from the top of the clock tower to the ground below no one can even really see them right right. I don't know man I got really hung up on it I. Mean You could see in my notes that was all caps I'm like no go inside. It's dangerous out there I. Think you were just in a mood when you were watching this. All right. So they're doing their cool poses they turn to stone whatever we get it. Liz Down Below street level dream boat comes outside she starts chatting up with officer. Morgan. You know officer he's our human stand in for Goliath. Yeah. They're talking about how tired she is. She needs to go home and get some sweep. And then a rookie cop walks by a very suspicious looking rookie cop something about her seems familiar. Did you pick up right away who it was? Oh identified but I don't think I was looking at her as much as I don't even know what I was paid attention to the screen by saw suspicious woman maybe Fox is back she's alive and safe. That would have been a good guests. Yeah. I didn't clock who the PERP was that she was walking in immediately. Yeah, which. SEEN HIS BELT I should've I didn't notice any of that. He was just huge. Dude. So this rookie cop that we don't know we don't know who she is red hair red had. Yeah. She's walking in a big old perp with his hands cuffed in front and Dream Boat decides to go inside instead of going home she goes inside to scold this new. York. Morgan is the one who is like I can tell you the Newbie. You would never have someone that big with his hands in front of him like that and and that's Fine I guess I'll go tell her no one was suggesting that dream boat go home. And instead of just like shouting, Hey, I rock Kamera second dream boat silently follows this rookie cop like two or three flights of stairs never ever tries to get her attention right and eventually this rookie cop leads to the fucking clock tower. Now list of course that can't be good. Now, I've been waiting for some officer just to wander up there at some point, right? Because it's just upstairs there's just a stairwell. Like. Oh, fuck. So she draws her weapon heads up in his immediately grabbed by big Mac big Mac. Are You fucking kidding me? We spent so much time with big. Mac I need a fucking break from this guy especially when he became such a coward got real mad little fucking diaper cry boy that's an insult. Right? Everyone uses that term. But Yeah it's Human Dimona which I have to say I've been waiting since puck changed her for us to actually see her be Human Dimona. Yeah. That's a little bit of a trip that it's taken this long to get anymore that. Yeah. So when I saw that I got excited like Oh great we finally get Human Dimona we can just see how this works. Yeah. Although you know they don't actually give us that reveal until they're in big Majette right I'm really worried about dream boat here because big MAC grabs her in over his shoulder throws her across the room into a brick wall and she's knocked out cold. That's really dangerous. We've said it before in this show that can cause traumatic brain injury for sure. Just a couple minutes of being knocked unconscious and we find out later that she was knocked out for the majority of the day we're talking ten plus hours that Oh boy she needs to immediately go to a hospital, but she doesn't. Like, Oh, thanks for that. NAP. We're jumping ahead but then you just goes to rest like no, don't go back. Think you probably have a concussion girl. So anyway, we're on the big MAC MC chat. Yeah Liz. I don't know where the came from but Dimona and big MAC escape on this jet. Why didn't they fly to the clock tower instead checked out now why did any of the previous scene have to happen just could see Human Dimona I guess they could have done it. I know. Liz Yes. I figured we would be done with these two characters for awhile. You know give us a break from both of them. But they're working together after that huge blow up right and just last week's episode man. Yeah how'd you feel about that? I quite honestly didn't even question it until a little bit later. LEXI was like there's no way that those would be working together. Yeah. They really should it be working together Whoa why did it take you so? It was sleepy. Okay. I was like, no no. Give me a new villain. We need someone new at this point you know what? That's episode actually kind of made me Mr Luxe Deluxe villain anymore either I don't either I want to see his redemption. Yeah. At least some goofy like butting of heads you know yeah. Okay. These are who were stuck with for this episode. Human, Dimona big Mac they're working together I guess they escape the Weird Sisters Great. Glad, they could Perry the hatchet, for reason. So delmonico's bitching and moaning that she think it goes smash smash on the Gargoyles and Macbeth is like no because that is not an honorable way to win and that was like cool. New Big Mac that's at least good like you've shown you're cowardly side before that I feel like at certain point he might have been the one that just goes smash smash. Yeah. Except for like his moral code is so weird it has weird like it's so all over the planes. All over the place you're right. He's like I will run away from a fight and I will also I don't kill people behind their backs which. That's a good thing running away from a fight. I guess it seems wrong for Macbeth but not fighting person under normal circumstances I think is a good idea overall. It just doesn't make sense for Macbeth yeah. So they got what they came for. What did they come for? We don't know yet. Yeah wait so long. So, we go back to the clock tower. The Sun is setting as we mentioned previously trombone is just waking up. That's not good. No, she's going to have trouble later on in life but at this point, she's like Oh wow that was a great nap. I, feel so much better now. NAPPING, girl you're conscious. You are brain damage. You have traumatic brain injury for sure. So, she's running around she to make sure all of the browser accounted for and they are everything's fine. Don't know what big MAC in this red headed lady were therefore, but I'll fuck de cues missing Yup. We don't get that reveal from the villains I. don't like that I. Mean I guess. Seeing their dramatic reaction to it is one thing you feel like it probably would have made more sense for a dramatic reveal from big Mac I think so too. But I when you say like that I guess I can see it both ways. Erin. especially. Goliath going to be all like my brother. Stole her. Dream Boat is for some reason feeling Kinda Sweetie from having her brain knocked out of her skull. So she just sits down takes a little break. He's like. My Faculties are dishonoring mixed up in Whibley. She's pulling a little bit of deluxe in this episode she talks to herself a lot. Yeah. Well, that's because it would be weird to see a cartoon character runaround not saying anything like I get it. It makes sense why that happens like as an adult it still feels ridiculous to watch someone do for sure but I think it like as a character I think it works better with deluxe. Yeah. Because he's one for just talking he's a talker and usually got someone that is paid to listen right and he I think he just likes the sound of his voice now to be fair I do too because these voice by be beautiful Jonathan frakes. That has that is fair. So we are moving over to castle McDonald land because not all of this castle was destroyed win Broadway was held prison when it caught on fire. Yeah. So just part of this was exploded I was wondering, do you think Dimona Mrs Turning to stone because that was supposed to be regenerative for the Gargoyles? During about that too not in this episode specifically. But when it happened initially because does she just never get to sleep ever she just ongoing nonstop I. Guess She could sleep as a human like maybe she really is into you know big fluffy mattresses and comfort. Blankets and stuff she's like Oh shit this is awesome I do all my sleeping is a human maybe fucking pillow is so soft. I could see her being the type that would get into that like she's a real hard ask most of the time, but she is a sucker for a big poofy pillow. Anyway I don't know how we never find out where but somehow these two doing Scott their hands on a disk to stuff up in old poor de Q.. And Big Mac, he wants to put it in now. Oh, God he just wants to ram it in there but Dimona she's Hey hey come on. Let's take it slow I. WanNa see the Sun set i. Take it easy before you stick that. She went a little foreplay I. Yeah. She's like I just let's see how the Sun looks going down. Donoso. So romantic against me in the mood. I want you to stick it in when I got big old wings pop autumn aback. Not to be fair, she does actually have a good point here she says that. Will Not recognize big MAC like he doesn't know who big MAC is and he definitely would have recognized Dimona as a human and would just freak him out. So make sense that she's like, okay I need to be in my google form for us to work. That is true although what I think will be funny is if he did recognize her in her human form but that really fucked up even more he's like I know who you are. Why do you look like that? What is going on here like I don't know I think that'd be fun to just really fun with Dick you might be fun but I'm a mean person so well yeah. So the sun goes down Dimona gets her way. Yes. She starts her gargoyles transformation and here is where we learn that. The big Mac to Mona connection is totally a thing. Yes. So my question for you and for the audience and for all the gargoyles creators is what the fuck was the whole city stone many series even for then what did that accomplish because I feel like it did nothing it didn't break them of their bond. It didn't help them grow in any way shape or form. Why did we tell? That story I don't know I, think some of the history was really interesting, but they could have done the interesting things in like one or two episodes and explained. This is how they have been connected with each other through the years and then we have this episode look they're still connected. They could have easily Citius, Joan in half I. Agree One hundred percent Liz because that series of episodes started us at a point a and we didn't grow it in change. We learn nothing like point like a and a half. We pretty much stayed exactly where we started as far as character development and that is. Bullshit because those are two big characters that should be showing development episode after episode. But especially, with Dimona I care for her less and less because she doesn't change she's a character that is stuck in say stone ha it gets boring. It gets boring to see the characters never grow. I agree. Even goliath called her out on that I. Don't remember which episode was at some point the season he was like you're literally never going to change are. You and they? No I think that was just last week's episode. Yeah. I mean, fuck even something as small as learning to read. We have characters that were illiterate that are actually like working towards improving themselves. Yeah. We're seeing it happen. You know deluxe got married. He is maybe surface level. He seems to be changing and growing as a person to Mona's like faulk everyone on never change I want to stay here she's like Peter Pan, but for anger. Up She. She's a rage Peter. Pan. Alright well. I don't know man they both go through the change. Yeah. So you know she's changing it's hurting him and he's been a little baby about it. I'm sure it is painful but like dude, you're practically crying like he's like bent over and being like Oh God. Why hurt so bad. So much I hate this. Over it dude would have been hilarious as her tail was growing out. He grabs you no. Bonds. Feels like you're renting a new asshole and. Gargoyles jokes man get them like I. Get Them I. Get jokes. All the joke Oh. Yeah. Dimona. Gargoyles now, and we can stick that big old floppy disk in em. Yum. Yum. Yum. To floppy disks like him floppy Yep. Okay. Once inserted the disc creates a large yellow butthole in the brains Cape. A gaping maw of finger. Yes and brain scape D Q in Four Loko are staring into the abyss. They're like Oh. That's weird. What is this bill butthole that just grew out of the sky earring gargoyles says I don't give a fuck and he just flies right into it. He doesn't know what's going to happen. That's the great unknown my man, what are you doing? Yeah and four Loko is like should do that too and dickey's like Nah don't get here. Fuck. Guy. opie never comes back. Because like. What if it's a bad thing that he did no borough screw that guy. Okay Q to shirking responsibility here. He just wants to his lady love. He doesn't give a fuck about anything else yeah. I'm of two minds because I feel that way a lot too but. That guy is evil. There's a lot of D. being like, no, I don't want to be a good guy. I don't WANNA help I. Don't like it. You know it frustrates me because once upon a time I, really liked de Q. and maybe it will get to see him grow more later. But like we had got episode both loved when it was like captain, America and Bucky and I was like, can I buy Bucky back Please is I hope that this isn't the last that we see of De Q. and I say that every time he shows up because I really do like the character but now he needs another redemption like needs a second redemption because brain scape diku acts against the character that we know him to be. Yes and I'm tired of seeing characters do that was just saying that about big MAC and now we see Doing it in his brain scape. It's upsetting it is upsetting so Aaron Guy goes through the Butthole and Suddenly. D Q in the real world goes back online. Oh, good except it's not our Q.. He's being controlled by the dickhead because he has the three souls in him and the mean one is the one who's controlling him. Now that was a portal to consciousness Yup the mid nineties and their understanding of technology is hilarious and I know they're you know they're trying to like visualize it here. But why does a functioning os equal yellow space butthole in the creators of this shows mind like what I plugged in a floppy disk and it's a portal in his brain yeah. Okay. I got nothing to say to that. So I think we're going to go to a break. I need to recalibrate my inner space but hall. Get, Back Online In the year twenty, one, hundred years cybernetic enhance population threatened to tear down everything America held dear, free speech drive-thru liquor stores, and guns so many guns. After much deliberation it was decided that if America, and it's superior values to survive the coming robot lives, there was only one option. Get the fuck up. The next hundred years. So the construction of Space Mirror galaxies newest and a star. If you value adventure good times, Cyborg fistfights find your place in Space Merica. Space Mira No CYBORGS, Nita mine subscribed to space America on apple podcast Google podcast Stitcher, or checkout calamity casts dot com welcome back everyone two defenders of the night I'm your host Daniel Williams. I'm here with my co host lizards when we're talking about gargoyles season two episode thirteen, high noon those a new thing I was trying. It's like. You're watching a TV show and in case someone's tuning in mid episode, they know what's happening right? Because that's how podcasts work. You just come in whenever you feel like. You know. It will probably be the last time I do that but I'm not gonNA cut any of this out. Yeah. So It's just a little inside to our process listeners. We're at the clock tower now. Liz. So the Gargoyles all wake up and Goliath is like how did mic Mac get away from the weird sisters? Assume, it's because they're assholes neighbors You're you're free go had I noticed at this point. That's the first time in a long time that we've seen all the gargoyles together. Yeah and when they leave to go scope shit out, they all go together, which is very unusual to have them all fighting as a group right and like it do you know Liz that the weird sisters know what the fuck big MACs up to they see it happening there the fates right why are they letting this happen I thought they were supposed to be keeping big MAC and Dimona in check. This episode makes me even more confused about the Weird Sisters Yeah Anyway. Yeah glaive isn't going to sit around with his tail and his hand while big Mac rubs his dick all up on d Q. So as you mentioned all six Bros. no one is staying behind to guard the tower all six they're going to go pay big. Mac. A visit. It's time to him where it hurts his sore. Kale but. Even Bring Brown they. Do they mean business when you bring Bronx you're playing for keeps dream about really really wants to go but she's still Super Shweibi weepy and she has to go to work in thirty minutes. Do Cop stuff you know I mean typically I wouldn't even fucking care about my job but I don't know I. Guess in this episode I do any other time she'd be like, yeah, I'm GonNa. Go with you fuck work and Goliath is all like we'll protect ourselves UGO protect the city. All right. I mean, they don't spoilers they fuck up. We'll get to go back to Castle McDonald. Lan. Lexington once again has his flawless tech skills and can bypass the security system. Yeah. You know what I liked here Liz Broadway is complementing lexus skills. Yeah. It was sweet. It never happens. It really doesn't usually Broadway or Brooklyn has some shit to talk about you know Lexus nerdy abilities but the positive reinforcement is going to do nothing but good things. Yeah. Titans them as a group it does but lex like, yeah thanks. But that was too easy not in a good way like I am very suspicious about what's going on right now. Yeah. I hit random buttons I did not. Know what I was doing. So keep your head on a swivel shore. So everyone splits up, they're going to go looking for big Mac Bronx and Brooklyn. Broadway and Hudson and lex in. Goliath they head to the Security Systems Control Room Yeah and we've seen that plenty of times before 'cause big Mac loves nothing more just sit in a tiny space watching two dozen television screens at once he have cameras all over the city or is he just washing his empty castle because what they show us when they're in there is screens of his castle in different rooms in the castle. Like typically just that they're keeping an eye on his castle and not living a life. Well, he does have a bunch of cameras in his castle in one of the city of stone episodes. He was also shown watching Dimona elsewhere, right? Yeah. So he must have hidden cameras everywhere what a creepy purview. He's definitely got some under the toilet seat cameras somewhere in New York City he's a creep. Showing your dirty side, you know man you gotta get consent for that kind of thing. Yeah. All right two things here Liz when they're walking in the building. Why is lex walking around on all fours does he normally do that I? Don't know I I think we've commented on it before but like it was a lot this time, it wasn't like Oh while he was writing quickly like I'm just being a weird cat looked extra weird putting him next to Bronx Bronx can't help but walk on all fours if I was bronx at look over me like, are you mocking me? Walk. Upright Sir and then at this point, he's what Goliath is huge. So just makes lex look even Tinier. Yeah. All right. Second thing when Lexington and Goliath find the control room, the door slams open and they've got these faces like Bra. We're GONNA. Spooky. There's no one in here. Heiress it. Showing they got their glowing is bull or scary march. Oh Shit. Okay and. They're like, oh, no one was around to see that. They really do they just deflate immediately when they come. We look really do Lexington will look really scary. Yeah. Go really school we were taught school and see. Just some thoughts I had. The room is empty. Yeah and since no one's in their lex takes it upon himself to surf through the various security cameras to try and locate big Mac. Right. But instead finds d Q. Let me play a little clip here. It's cousy. Still. We have no choice Goliath. Wait. Macbeth's gotten him operational again but there's no way of knowing which cold stones three personalities is in control just remember. One of them hates your guts. Just have to be there careful now. The reason I wanted to play that clip is because it ends with glass just fucking punching a hole through a control panel on the console and I wasn't quite sure. Why is it? Because he's angry he doesn't normally lose his temper like that Homolka se purposely just trying to destroy big. Mac Shit just because he can back can't use it against them or is he just like? I'm angry Hulk Smash Goliath Blah I think he just couldn't find the off button. Because they pull back. They do a line shot and there are other screens that are still on. Yeah. So it didn't shut everything. Well. Elsewhere in the Castle Bronx and Brooklyn are scoping shout and Bronx smells a familiar smell a smell he is encountered just a couple episodes ago they slowly open a door to find a cause. With dogs most ancient fo, the vacuum cleaner. What if what if it was just that he was like, oh, those things well, any thing like he's still sniffing around and he's still obviously he's on a scent. Haven't we learned when Bronx does get don't fuck around like pay attention to what he's doing. Oh wrongs stop that we haven't learned that is clearly. Because Bronx goes into this closet and he's sniffing around and was like something's in here what the Fuck Brooklyn is like a closet and he shuts the light off and he just walks away. Yeah. He doesn't even examine the clause. She's like he doesn't even go inside to double check, and this is when we get the replay of the gag from the end of city of Stone par-three. Dimona just appears out of nowhere from behind a secret wall a secret wall is closet. Liz, why would there be a secret wall in a closet? It's furrow secret sex for all the secret brooms and my secret broom closet I fucking rolled my eyes. So hard I thought they were GONNA fall out of my head. And then you know what Brooklyn gets what he deserves because Dimona beats the shit out of him is just brutal and like I feel like Brooklyn more than most of the other rogue oils has like his beef with Dimona. Yeah. That's like I'm on dude be a little smarter than this and you deserve to have your ass kicked. Yeah. This was perfect. If anybody should have gotten, there s beat by Dimona right here Brooklyn. Deserved it more than anyone just because you know he's still caring and Hate Boehner So she's flinging him around and smashing them in walls and she throws one of into the fireplace and well, let's go see what the last two dudes are up to instead of staying with this. So we go to a library, of course, broadway and Hudson walk into the library. I have to say that that was a beautiful library Liz. These two are the perfect to walk into a library and they are just inam. `red. You know we were talking about character growth. They are Namur. d- Let me play this clip because Broadway to sounds like the sweetest little boy and someone fucking ruins it who Wow. Wow blow big. Mac like come on now. I almost wish I would have been like. Well we can't do now. Let me prove it to you sit down buddy. Pulls out the newspaper News starts reading is like. Fuck you man also, how does he know they can read I'm sure there were some connection to the river and time episode or whatever the fuck it was called maybe Broadway gave it away when they're talking about the scrolls and stuff when he's chained up in the mid jet maybe anyway as a Dick thing to say they've been working really hard and you're a fucking punk cowards. So shut up also they beat your ass in the scene dude a deal which is lovely. It's fight because he gets he gets jumped up pretty bad. He had jumped up your punk that's probably a phrase I don't know. Yeah so like they like smash him off the ladder. Falls like seventy five feet and smashes into the ground. How tall are those? Big Ass. Room. It was a huge room luckily Broadway though smashing his ladder does land on a well-placed. So that's convenient. Yeah he's okay. Big. Mac. On the other hand has broken every bone in his body right? Because he can't die but he can be incapacitated, which is a fun thing to know I mean that's good to know for sure. So big MAC knocked his noggin that means Dimona also gets a good Noggin knockin thinking about that really makes me think what the fuck was big Mac doing anytime the damone has been in fights for the last two seasons when he hasn't been around just like sitting around in his control panel washing people's only being like. Maybe that's why he has cameras everywhere. So he knows what the fuck US doing. So he can prepare for all the pain I was wondering does it have anything to do with proximity? Is it because they're so close to each other right now maybe like one's and Scotland and one's in America do they still feel it? Yeah, right. That's kind of how I was reading that connection because that'd be really annoying especially with like eight hour time difference between the countries like dude stop gain and fights when I'm in bed. I, mean, I guess our bad guys are caught Liz and then we moved to this weird dungeon area. Yes. So goliath and Lex Goto were D. Q. is chained up and we know it's the bad soul that is controlling him right now. So the fact that he's being all stay back, it's a trap big mix GonNa get you to us as immediately suspicious I. think it's a little suspicious to them too. But I think they still have the benefit of the doubt for Q. Yeah. I mean they don't know that they shouldn't and right on cue Hudson and Broadway walk in with big Mac and like. We're fine. They just like slammed into the ground that's I mean you're just making things worse. Like you gotta worry about Dimona man and Lexus P- you dumb idiot. Those two would never be caught working together. Right some of your circuits must be crossed like don't you don't know the full situation dude right and if he says there's a Dimona they're he probably knows because he who was stolen. And that is when Brooklyn and Bronx like they are they working together yeah. Shut up lex man he don't know everything. So to add to Lexus list of bad decisions one talking onto Diku. He immediately starts to free him because I mean, it seems like the right personality is in control and there's no way we could like maybe even try to run some computer diagnostics or anything, Mr Hacker, man Mr computer programmer like maybe we should check it out I. Know we're just GonNa unchain him find. Cool. Great Right. It's so frustrating where in one episode they managed to write him as the smartest character in the room and then the. Character in the room yeah. Well, is guess what we were right and he was wrong. It was the bad soul and DU. Shoots, lasers atom and kills them. All I think is what happens I don't know. I blacked out. That's what happened. Right I mean the leases isn't too far off the brisket electrocuted. I forgot that big cad, the electric powered stuff in his dungeon. He's got all kinds of fun toys. So I guess what really happens is the deke walks over to Dimona and big Mac and he's like I'm GonNa kill these guys and glass like yeah go for it. and. Pick them up flies up in the air a little bit and they were faking it the whole time. Really there were faking their head injuries doesn't make any sense because they dig it brain right like big Mac fell from a great height. Yeah. But now let's just like. Got You. Yeah. Hustle Zapper Button Zab in ABS ET zips apt to ad. Breaks. Thanks for listening help others find our show by rating and reviewing tunes checkout calamity cast dot com for even more content and follow us on facebook twitter and Instagram to get in touch and let us know how we're doing. If you like what you hear and you want to help keep the lights on considered becoming a regular calamity casts contributor on Patriot bore. If you'd like to make a one time donation, you can do so at pay pal dot me slash clammy casts we appreciate your support and your donations truly make a difference. Where are we? Liz we are indeed a brain scape. TIKI is still kind of like. Smash it's happening. 'cause airing gargoyles is being a dick again, and four loco is like it's our job to like help protect things were gargoyles shouldn't we see what's happening on Nah I? Just WanNa stay here with you babe but she doesn't want you man this really frustrated me I mean this whole episode really frustrated me but this part where she's like we should do that and I'm like four Loko let's go have autonomy yet just go do it. You be in charge of d Q. Yeah and he could either then decide he wants to follow you because he loves you or ago substrate here by myself no. I'll just stay you'll come back to me won't you girl I wouldn't and be like now I'm in charge look at this robot. But I guess as a woman, she doesn't have that kind of autonomy. So she'll just try and coax the widow Piss baby up to be in charge of the Q. Body. From there we jumped to the clock tower. Dream Boat is just pacing around. Lake when her concussion adult brain is just wanting to shut down. Yeah. She's like, Oh, where are my teenagers? They are late she's walking around like an overbearing mother. Just like take a nap till, they got back I don't know why this episode is treating its female characters. This way what is cary bates have against the female characters the show. We've got mommy four Loko in the brain scape. Now we have Mommy Dream Boat in the clock tower like let these women be the fucking bad s is that they are go about their business maybe he has mommy issues. Maybe. So Liz we are sixteen minutes into the episode. It's a twenty two minute episode where we finally I think get the plot I, think. Yeah. As the sun slowly approaches to Mona, flies into pick on dream bow she's just here to fuck with her and dreams like, oh It's you what are you GonNa do with some of sunset you're gonNA turn to stone at me. and. fucking human now motherfucker. Goes and does her daytime transformation yeah. She's like, Oh, I don't need wings I. Don't need spiky elbows whatever those are for. You know what? Therefore she turns into a human, but I don't know if you notice she's smaller as a human than she is as a gargoyles but her clothes fit the same. Great. She's kind of sexy sexy lady right calm down. She has you know unrealistic waistline Scher but she has incredible hulk clothes. Right she's got like the incredible hulk pants where they just kind of grow to fifth man whatever it takes. Okay. This bit here we are hit with just a ton of information. So I wanNA play this kind of long clip and I want to kind of work through it afterwards. Okay. If you're human than your subject to human laws. You're under arrest. You have the right to remain silent. If I remain silent, you'll never see your precious goliath again. whereas. Before. I destroy Goliath I want to prove to him once and for all what you humans are really like our Goliath and the others to Belvedere Castle in Central Park high noon. If you show up you still won't save them it will certainly cost you your life but if you don't show Goliath, we'll see what human loyalty is really worth either way. I win. Okay Liz first of all it really really upset me to watch dream boat pull a gun on human. Dimona say you're subject to human laws Dimona has broken no laws but dream wants to arrest this person for literally no reason granted that was always fucked up but through our current social ends that felt really really unnerving was really really aggressive and I didn't like it 'cause like she does draw her weapon often by it's normally I'm going into an unknown situation in my weapons drawn just in case it's very seldom that she actually like whips it out and just points at someone like Dimona isn't actually doing anything here. No, she's committed no crimes perhaps if you look at all the crimes that Dimona has done through her time of knowing Dream Boat I, guess, that's what she's getting at. But yeah, it was uncomfortable. Yeah. It was pretty fucked up. You're not supposed to be able to pull your gun whenever you want to. Yeah I think based on how rules and laws should be right. But here she is just whipping that big old gun out how wink all right next Liz I wanNA talk about Dimona 's plan. First of all, how did they move those Gargoyles to the park? How did Human Dimona or maybe was Gargle Dimona but still and big Mac get six Gargoyles to central park. I would say he like airlifted them using his spaceship thing they're like in the dungeon of his castle. Big Mac is real big maybe strong enough to carry a goal I. Maybe they just hired those Goggle goons. Shitty movers you know shitty mover Goggle goons. That's the company that they started I don't know if you knew that yes I know that such a small detail, but it seems so vital to to Mona's plans that it's ridiculous that we didn't even do a quick cut away to putting Bronx Dali or something Yeah Okay Liz next point if dream shows up Damone is going to kill her and the gargoyles. Okay. Sure. Right. That's Dimona loves the idea of killing these people that she never actually kills whatever. Okay. If Dream Boat doesn't show up Dimona still gonNA kill the Gargoyles. Right. Right. How is this supposed to prove to Goliath? Human Loyalty is worth. 'cause he'll be Ted right like he's GonNa. Be Dead regardless I guess it's like His last thoughts but like he's in stone form when she goes there. So he's not gonNA. Know She's there whether she say or not right and if he wakes up and Damone is like assay, she never came for you. Now, I'm going to kill you what lesson is learning. He doesn't have to live with that fact because you kill him or you're lying and you never told her to come like your sentiment is meaningless you can't be trusted. Dimona. Right. What about the idea? Of gargoyles loyalty. Does that mean nothing to Goliath perhaps in does that mean nothing to you Dimona like like I'm sure Goliath places value on loyalty in general be it from humans or Gargoyles and to know that there's one gargoyles out there that wants to kill him and that theoretically could and ultimately doesn't. But does that aspect of how he feels me nothing to Dimona, like it's fucking crazy. Yeah. None of this plan makes any sense to Mona just wants to make Goliath feel. Like. It's fucking petty. Oh. Yeah. I. Mean Dimona as a character is incredibly petty all the time maybe it's just me but it's boring it's frustrating. It's like agree agree I'm really sick of it. I've been saying this for a long time like they have Dimona as such a two dimensional character where she could be so much more. Yeah. It mean boring is the word. I. Keep coming back to like young. Yeah. Again, like the whole story arc of city a stone like we could have gotten more dimensions from her if they'd given her an actual character growth better or for worse like if we see her Go, even deeper into lake insanity or something that would be more interesting than just the same old same old same old. Yeah. I mean, we're twenty six episodes into gargoyles. Yeah and she's the same character now that she was when we first met her in the present time. I like that this is where your font went from eleven. Oh yes. You are in all caps to eighteen folded in all caps. Well I don't know if you could tell this episode is making me upset. Liz I'm just I want to move on her plan is dumb. Her sentiment is dumb demolished like spins on her heel skips down the stairs in her human form, which means she's wearing a loincloth and a one sleeved belly shirt barefoot. She just walks out the front door and then calls a cab. She hailed a cab. Yeah and no one stopped her. Yeah. Liz nobody stopped her because why would you I don't know it's weird. is where does Dimona keep her wallet? How she gonNA pay for that cab ride? He keeps in her Bra I didn't see it. That's a pretty tight top. Gosh. She just keeps it like a in between the cleavage. Okay. All right. You know what else is really weird about the scene Liz dream boat again, just silently follows Dimona from the clock tower to the street like reverse of that earlier scene she doesn't ever say anything to her we see her walk behind Dimona through the clock tower. She's never like, Hey, stop get back here Dimona walks out the front door dream mode again is never like stopped trying to hail the cab. More of a conversation with you about this, just quietly through the whole building nothing dream. Buddhist. So fucking off does entire episode. Yeah. Like I don't know what the fuck is happening with her Liz. That's a great segue. Let me play this clip because dream again runs into officer Morgan and she has a revelation here that I think we should listen to. Yes, you sleep. Only a few hours in the last forty well shifts over climb into bed and pull it in after you. You don't know how much I'd like to when I woke up it would be over for me. More monsters. Good or bad. Just normal life. I had issues with this because like I understand you're like I didn't ask for this life I am tired I need a break from all this but the fact that she talks about no more monsters whether good or bad. Yeah. No fucking monster you love him, Yuck bad language in love your little girls. Yeah. That was weird or is that how she really feels like you know the next fifty episodes that we see are going to be her kind of feeling resentful I. Wonder how? That would be weird especially since that's a long time to watch someone just silently STU. Growth I hate it. Well from here we go to that spot in Central Park Belvedere Castle it's high noon Dimona in her human form big Mac and D Q who is not freaked out by Dimona in her human form. Great. They're all just hanging out in the middle of the park in the middle of the day as people are just walking by and d q asks what I felt was a very pointed question. Johan nobody sees us what the fuck is going on and Liz instead of answering the question. That big MAC and by extension, the writer of the episode is just like Ju don't worry about it. What's important is that they don't see us I'm not even going to make up a dumb cartoon reason as to why right a noxious lazy your job is to write this shit right? This shit dude especially doesn't we do explanation later. So why did they tell us now I can only assume that it's because big Mac at the time doesn't know why like later on he has an explanation, there's a very specific reason why he's given an explanation and here he's just A your guess is as good as mine man bright. Shut up shut up. You Cyber Oil you shut up. As my long way of saying. shitty writing yet bad from their lizzy. De Cue's brain scape diku still has no interest in dealing with whatever's going on in the real world. But because for Loco, she just can't handle a man's work if you will. She has to grab onto poor widow de cousy and his a Komo boy. We gotta convince him to act like oil and do your job. I. Feel like a lot of this episode just just backing job your job. Did you happen to see four? Loko turn into the weird sisters or did I imagine that there was three of her and he tried to different hair color I didn't know what the fuck was happening there and analysis like whatever and I. I wasn't sure because usually when the weird sisters show up, they have the weird sister voices. Yeah. But for LOCO triplets stayed for locos voice the whole time. That's the only reason I could see why she suddenly became three. Yeah. Why else would that possibly happen his? I don't know. That's why I'm asking you, I don't know. Back. Out in the real world, Dream Boat shows up as she should and she strolls right on past these guys to caress her man. She's like, Oh, come here stone Gog Man of my dreams. Now is it because she didn't see them or she just didn't care enough she's like these fucking assholes. Let me go check on Goliath I don't know because then suddenly she can't see them because she in Dimona ended up fighting. So I don't know if Dimona has control over that. If Dream Boat was just like blinders on have to make sure they're OK before I deal with you fuckers I wasn't sure which one it was because like you said, they get into a fight but first Dimona this fucking coward she just throws a rocket launcher on her shoulder. She's got a point blank fire rocket Dream Boat Yeah. Maybe feet away. How could she think this is safe for anybody you know as much as big Mac has been a coward in the past I do appreciate the fact that he keeps stopping. Dimona from taking the easy way out of Shit like this, he's straight up next year is like what you don't think you could fighter hand to hand yeah. He had to see a good old girl fight. We see him in D.C, you just kind of watch. These liling. Girls Yeah. So glad I'm recording this for later. dicky's red is starts blinking like a record light like got it. And Beg MACs just like us you're gonNA email that to me, right? He's like Oh. Yeah. I got two big boy. I, need a copy. They're gonNA watch it on all my monitors. Okay. So Dream Boat and Dimona, they get they they throw down and Dimona gets tossed around like a fucking rookie cop does like a cool like roll over the shoulders flippant thrown and Dimona I guess it turns out has relied on gargoyles strength and size and doesn't really have good combat skills. No not at all interesting. Yeah. Dream Boat announces like Hey. I'm unarmed win the big rocket is pointed at her Oh. Yeah, and so that's why I was like I guess she does see her and most like I don't care. If. You knew you were coming to something in where Dimona and company we're going to be why did you choose now to not have your gun? Yeah that's a really good question. She is all about pulling her gun out a little metal. Dick. She likes waving that thing around. Wow folder you're so vulgar day I don't know why it's just today. Liz. We moved back into DIJK CUE's brain scape. But as we do I don't know if you saw this, maybe it was just made but this big Mac half a little bit of a half Chubb. Girl fighting. I I yes. I. Believe. So but I did that actually look at that at all and I'm going to have to this part of the episode. Maybe, it's just how he's drawn normally and I've never noticed his package before. But I'm like, what are we sneaking in here? I mean I feel like Daddy. Macbeth would have a hefty package. He's gotTa pay extra for that oversized package. Liz We're going back into the brain scapegoat. For Loco she's coaxed d q into the butthole. She's like quit paying a cook and take control this body like like a like a Gog oilman would take that body. They swooped down they penetrate that massive yellow butthole yes. They go deep they take on earring gargle. Get Him and they Rassam Four Loko. She's got him. She's rustling into to the ground. She's doing all the work here. Yeah, and she's like go go run and and fix the shit. So dbq gets to just take over the body right fine for him while four logo has to do all the work. Of course, while they're inside the butthole struggling Liz, I wanNA play you what I think is the best line of the episode. Oh UK There Buddy. He's Oh big. Mac. was of watching two women fight and then Deke shots and he's like what? Oh Shit. There's something going on here. What you're do not distract me. This is really hot. I'm trying to lock this into my spank Sir please. Do not interrupt. God. You have to imagine big MACs. Bank goes deep because he's like a thousand years old He's got shit from so many different eras what genre and era in my in the mood for tonight he's got to do is just recall I, bet he's got great memory Rick you know what? I think what's happening right now is I'm I'm writing slash FIC- as we're talking. Right. So for locus doing hard work and I love Ogre. Disgusting D. Do takes a crack. It'll big Mac you shut up. Liz this whole thing just kind of falls apart here. So Q. Jumps at big Mac and instead of an epic fight or like dream, boat and Dimona are fighting indeed is taken on big Mac the Scottish fucking coward is like Oh shit we gotta go suddenly become a fair fight and I don't want to deal with that and he calls his plan he like priority one pickup gee-gee and his mic. You know swoops down with the latter ready to go and big MAC grabs it and flies off and he's like Dimona we got piece the fuck out and they run away, Liz yeah. What the fuck dude again, this is big MAC acting like an impressively huge card. Yeah. You know what I felt like up until that point he was kind of fixing that like the way that he kept not letting. Dimona take the cowardly route but apparently, it's fine when he gets to feel like the show introduced a really cool character and has been trying to ruin him throughout season to. Keep US my favorite character for a little while he was interesting in that one episode in season one. So the battles won Liz Dream Boat in D. Q. Free this stone rose yes they've been chained the whole time they've been chained up I. I. Don't know if you're mentioned that dream boat wants Deke to stay and hang out because goliaths GonNa Kinda WanNa get a debriefing of what the fuck just happened. They haven't got to hang out just be rookery rose. You know it'd be nice but he doesn't now and his recent made a lot of sense. Definitely he told tire like, no, they're still this battle going on in my brain I'm in control right now doesn't mean I'm going to be like I need to get this under control I'm not safe to be around to care your mental health. It's sad but again, it makes sense and I don't think that's the last we'll see of him. No I. Just hope that we see him maybe with better writer. Yeah and like a little less of his. Mindscape like I want more. In the real world stuff I don't think I would be upset at all. If the next time we saw him, he had his shit figured out for sure I don't need to see that. Yeah. We didn't have to see him struggling offscreen. He figured out we just get to see Q at his best yet I think that'd be dope. was were not done with this episode even sounds like we are because. This scene is with a callback to. One four, do you remember this? Dream boats. Resting Against Goliath has a stone in the park and she's going to take a NAP NAP and. Yet. Another runner or is it the same rundown I? Think? It's the same Guy I. Think it's the same fucking guide outfit looks to say Yeah Anyway Chug comes up. Like Hey. Where did that come from? Like I duNno man don't ask me. I like to think that he recognizes the statue I saw one of those. Would you wait a minute and dream like I dude I'm sleepy? and Liz wouldn't you believe that's still not the end of the episode because years where we finally get what the fuck was happening the previous twenty one and a half minutes or whatever. Yeah. So we go to big Mac Donald. Land. Dimona and big Mac are just like talking we'll do match it's like we should have killed him. We lost Eq- like everything sucks man. What do we even? What are we doing this for and big? Well, yeah. That sucks. But that wasn't even like the main reason we went to the clock tower in the first place, which is weird because they had the disk like that seemed as far as viewers concerned that seemed like one hundred percent their main. Why do they have the disc if not to get? You know we'll. Apparently it was actually to get the phoenix plate in the eye of Odin and your favorite thing to say the Grundell Dumbledore. Yeah and to Mona's like I know I know we magic ship at why I don't get it I. Use that book to put that spilling us the getting angrier and angrier and also more confused. Yeah. I was too and then they're like. Why even working with each other. Why do we need things? Why did we know the spell? What are we doing here? Everyone has asked they're working together. Now they asked I have asked I think you've acid we know lexus acid. It was the weird sisters Liz why hey, you know what we have time for that because we gotta go to. hunky hero and a fantastic leading lady to be brought to life love and loss cast indulge in radio drama filled to the brim with romance laughs at all those wonderfully awkward moment become with a new relationship and don't forget those delicious sexy parts that make romance novels. Oso Fun to enjoy. Is available now at calamity cast dot com or anywhere that you can find podcast. Liz. I just surprise you with the ending of our episode. Yeah. I was just as surprised when it came and I didn't like how it ended. and. The weird sisters they talk about like upcoming battle. were. I forgot to mention obviously, we don't know what they're talking about. Now I think that if this episode had maybe seated that a little bit more might be more interesting but they hit you with two seconds left and I think especially with how I felt city of stone. I don't care about their war I. Don't find the weird sisters to be compelling thing cities Joan kind of ruined big Mac in Dimona. I don't feel like I need to care. Yeah, and that bums me out. So I feel like that was the most we've seen the weird sisters like. Do. What they've been actively doing things since we met, you know they've been fucking around for thousand years. Yeah. But I feel like for most of the other things they would hint at things are tell things but this is the first daily had these two under a spell to control them to do something? Yeah. They're upping the ante a little. You have to wonder why right? Exactly you have to wonder why they couldn't go to Goliath directly and say. Some Shit's coming and you have some very important tools that we need. We need to work to get, but they're being really backhanded and sneaky using these villainous characters. They're not morally questionable they're villains. And I can't tell what size the weird sisters are supposed to be on full exactly. Because if they had gone to live and said, hey, we want to be on that been up or we want to be like weird and coated but there's a battle is a war you've got tools we need. We need to be on the same side because despite but no, they use characters that are explicitly villains toward our protagonist to gain those tools which puts them at odds with. If for no other reason than because astonishing. And it would be so much more interesting if our gargoyles allowed to work with these. Morally Grey care you know you and I both think it'd be more interesting if blast had to work with deluxe and I think the same goes for the weird sisters they don't have to be heroes. They don't have to be the good guys the show but I think if they're morally gray and they have to work with Goliath that makes the story possibility more interesting rights. Liz Did you like so. I thought it was okay. I like it a little less nail Jari really dream boat was annoyed me so much more episode and I don't like that I liked dreamed I don't WanNa, be annoyed by her I mean she does have a lot of character steps episode and that stuff about being tired near the there was ugly but I think. For, me, it was just it. This wasn't timed properly this Dimona big MAC team of coming. Right on the tail city of snow was a poor choice. Yeah. I Made My. How do you feel about Lexin except? So I felt like the first half at least kind of wish showcasing him specifically, you know this. Growth this technological skills. I like children to Character Rosie that multiple times today, and we've also discussed how his or maybe overblown a little. I think it makes sense that if he is spending his free time when not like battling bad guys and all that practicing his skills and reading up on stuff and then it makes sense. I mean he's probably like genius level Gargoyles good. Make sense that he pick it up things quickly but we don't ever really get to see that I'd like to see him being top packer level. Skills Yeah we don't get to see him grow as the character we get to see him having grown as which just I feel it makes it less believable. Yeah. Whereas like Hudson and Broadway we see them practicing reading. occurred in several episodes some talking about like working on this. So we see them honing those skills and getting better at it grants just see Lexington being genius boy smarter and Smarter Every episode that is a little over the top. So if Broadway in Hudson or regular reedy and LEX is working on hints tabby stuff. What's Brooklyn Brooklyn is book of chilling. Chilling out he's like I can read well enough and I'm not interested in computers. I'm just hanging out man would we get pizza today? He don't care. It would be nice if they showed Lexington say. Building a robot but he fucked something up yeah. You know it doesn't work for you know blows up in his face. I. Think that would be Nice I. think that'd be showing progress working with something new and struggling. To. Honestly could be a little funny. Yes. This perfect room comedy, their God it Liz. That's all I. got your. You know I felt bumped last week about how I talked about the city of stone mini series. Now felt like a shitting Oliver, drug oils in this episode. As like No, I gotTA. Do it again. To come back from that I, try to find the positive and been having a string of bad luck over here. Is, our listeners well welcome. Once again to the end of another episode of defenders of the night. A this show would not be as magical without the music provided by Ian the burrito bandit. 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Episode 107: Righteous Hog, Man

Defenders Of The Night

48:26 min | 6 months ago

Episode 107: Righteous Hog, Man

"Welcome everyone we are defenders the night, the most trusted source for top to bottom coverage of everyone's favourite mid-nineties animated program, a good good good good. I'm your host Daniel William. I'm your host, Liz Urkel we are back once again. Discussing of course Gargoyles, we are still in season one today. We're discussing episode seven temptation. Like my new on Mike Voice, ideal I like it a lot I'm going to lose it. It's I can't do it forever. Tell the dates on this episode. Oh this episode. Temptation aired November Eleventh Nineteen ninety-four. We are well into the one a week model. It was directed by Saburo Hashimoto in Katsuo Toronto and it was written by Brin. Chandler reaves a new writer. It's a lady. into she is an emmy nominated writer known for her work on Spiderman. The animated series, motherfucking Batman the animated series and teenage mutant Ninja Turtles among other things they must love her list. Here's a fun fact for him. At one point Bryn Chandler reaves was the highest paid female animation writer in. Luck. Yeah, you, go, girl, you go, woman! Sorry, yeah. We're GONNA. Try some things a little differently today before we dive into today's episode, you and I want to remind everyone that five star ratings and reviews God it. They're just the best. And if listeners left one for our show, you could be awesome to with your help I know. We can get to the very top of the gargoyles. PODCAST charged. There are at least two more and I, just WANNA trout's those mother fuckers? Yes, and we're obviously the best anyway or the best because we are the hosts. Yes, there was some stars like some thumbs up I don't know I'm old. Whatever the kids are doing these days? Good to us. We want gargoyles episode seven showy. We start off in the mean streets of New York City. We opened up on Donatello. Lexington apparently building a homemade motorcycle many questions immediately. Would you like to hit me with them? Yes, how? Okay. I? Get it. He's the handy one the smart one but like. Where the fuck are you guys gathering pieces to build this thing? How did you learn how to weld? Where did you get a welding machine? From Yeah I have to assume that we have transported five to ten years into the future Lexington has spent all that time learning how to build motorcycles among other things. In fact, it's only been a week. Yeah can one week of his motorcycle looked at me, dropped your hands to the sides and said I'm angry chicken to China to Chinese. Chicken. Liz Brooklyn finally got his motorcycle shop I was really excited. I didn't realize it happened that early in the season. Yeah, would you care to explain to me how he already knows how to write it? I also wrote that question you. You are clueless as well. Okay cool. I did appreciate the fact that he was practicing motorcycle safety and had a helmet. Yeah, just jammed his fingers right through the top of it for his horns is strong the strength of his gargoyles. It's all over the place man. Yeah, but he looked awfully good in those sunglasses and leather, jacket and sunglasses at night. Always a good look when you're on a motorcycle. Okay! Is, he goes out for joyriding. He's fucking love and life. Okay. He doesn't even realize he's being followed by another Garg Oil. He's enjoying himself so much. And suddenly he's got the POPO on his back. fucking five Oh man. Yeah Pena's wants to live his life. Why did the pigs always got to be out for US Freewheeling Dragon men? I liked how like every cartoon ever? The police were busy eating doughnuts. It's a classic bit. Overdone at all. It's comedy gold. It always works. Was I'm drinking this terrible red wine and I'm not gonNA. Stop and drinking our Rosa and it's delicious. Okay Brooklyn is being tailed by the cops. They're trying to pull him over for driving. While gargoyles suddenly his wings come out of the back of his jacket. Even though when he sat down on his motorcycle, he wrapped them around his torso and put the jacket on over. So how did they unfurl any fucked up his jacket? Yeah, first off is weird. Seen him wrap himself with his wings. I was like okay and I guess that makes sense if we're GonNa, we're close. That's what you gotTa do, but I didn't like it looked weird. And then he takes flight. I'm going to say. He Glides Away Holding his motorcycle strength. Even though previously we saw him struggle with the weight of a Limp Lexington. Also seen him carrying two grown. Viking, yeah, that's what I'm saying Ari the strength of a gargoyles on this show civically. Brooklyn Steroids JUISTON game. All I'm saying is is a little consistency too much to ask for Liz I. No. anyways, so he mentioned to escape from the police, and alone behold there was a whole biker gang going by right at that moment coincident great timing, so he decides he wants to join them. They learn. No. Lexington just went through this last week. Hey, strangers, what could go wrong and every time are surprised when it goes badly is every member of the Gargoyles clan going to get an episode where they think it's totally okay to trust humans, and then surprise humans Dick's. Except for lady detective. Dream Boat that is the exception that proves the rule in. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think Dimona actually says later on. Great minds in Dimona cut from the same cloth. Were those fiery redheads right? Shoe. I don't trust humans there. I do not. Anyway so the banker guys obviously like his super sweet motorcycle, that Lexington created righteous hog, and he thinks Bro me, and my buddies made it, and then he takes off his helmet like dumb, dumb, an monster, the giant beak type situation didn't key them in on something weird about this guy. Well, you know. They immediately try to kill Brooklyn I. Don't know. Literally guns. Going, in Hell, dog piled him and. That's proof of strength. He just like more, and they'll go flying and ripped his jacket. He has actually a lot of bad luck with clothing because he had his cool sunglasses, a couple of episodes ago, got destroyed and now his leather jacket. PORTLAND. So, he throws all these dudes off. He kicks all of their asses. The biker leader pulls out his own handgun and has jumped by a flying cat I. Don't know if you heard the hiss growl of flying cat go by biker leader. His shot goes wide hits Brooklyn's motorcycle and immediately explode like a fucking ball of flames disappears inflames. It's Gone Daniel. Would one bullet make a bike explode like that. Yeah, especially, if it's built from I, don't know trash. I just have to assume that that was just built out of just glued together. Trash Lexington doesn't know shit about building motorcycles. He's Gargoyles and it's been a week since he met with pack. Call it three weeks. See I saw a motorcycle. Yeah, the very first time. I roll times a million Lexington. You're not as smart as you think you are pal. Really like making things explode, do if Brooklyn wasn't mad before he's fucking pissed, they destroyed. Luckily the Flying Feline returns and they finished kicking all the assets together. They take out biker leader. He empties his revolver, but he misses. All of the shots taken the Gargoyles Flea. BIKER leader takes off. Everyone got into this big fight for no reason and we in this scene Yup, they fly off and they land on a rooftop as they do because that's where they always go, and we realized that this flying gargoyles person who helped me Al Qaeda, girl, meow, meow, kiddy girl, was actually Dimona glowing red eyes, and he's all gasp, but what are you doing here Dimona? And she goes on to try to apologize for. Trying to kill all of them recently. She's like hey, you know. I was I was going through some stuff. It was a bad break up with me and Goliath I. Thought the best way to handle. It was a rocket launcher. Dimona so that was I was crazy of rage and fear and also mentioned how she has been awake hundreds of years, but she doesn't go into any detail throughout this episode. Which is really frustrating? Right because? Negative information about her though I'm like Oh. Okay, this is maybe going to start putting this puzzle together. What the Hell Damone has been doing. Yeah, she starts to tell Brooklyn. She's got a story man. Let me tell you all about them. Audience. Can you go to castle wider and while explain this really awesome backstory of mine? Okay cool, and we don't get the fuck in here any of it. I wonder if she did tell him anything really because she's like. I mean it's a really long story. I just want to get into right now. Traffic me. Human should not be trusted. They're horrible because I have hundreds of years a proof. She's not wrong, but she's also. I don't know we'll. Whatever's going on castle wiper and so much more interesting because Goliath and Hudson are watching TV collide. That's actually sitting there. Reading books and he looks early. Hi, how are you reading? When other ships going on pretty good? Really? If Hudson was sitting next to me, watching TV and I was trying to read I guess I'll go into another room then Jesus. Christ I mean to be fair. You are in the TV room. That's okay. Fuck you Goliath is what you mean to say. Get Out, go to the library. I read at work all the time like on my lunch. Break and other people are doing things in the break room Merle it doesn't normally bother me. It's a TV show. Semi interested in than I will probably have issues. I'm pretty good at tuning. Things out. Remember when this. TV only played the pack. Yeah, when did that get fixed? You know fixed. It did Owen Sorry. We were fuck with the last week. For. He asked I'm guessing. Has Hunch. Men who take care of Shit like that. Maybe Lexington fixed it. He's very good with very handy. Guys I got this I don't WanNa Watch that show anymore near because they tried to kill me, so they hurt my feelings. I wonder if the shows even showing anymore if they're in prison. That's a fair point was I didn't even consider that anyway. Well. If the show's in syndication, they'll still get paid for reruns, you know. Care Anyway they're just sitting there. Enjoying themselves in the TV room, the other oils come in and guy like. Where's Brooklyn and they're like he? No, he's out joy joyriding. Joy. The way that Goliath does every time. A new phrase is onto him. Oh, he knows all about Chile writing. He just doesn't understand the motorcycle aspect of it. He's like wait. WHO's he fucking? And we get into this really interesting conversation. We're leaving again. We're done. We spent more time talking about the scene than the actually took. Yeah. I hate when shows do that. Let's leave this really interesting situation and go see some bullshit, and before you can even a chance of the bullshit. Let's go back. So D- Mona's full of righteous anger. Yes, I WANNA. Play you a little bit of her monologue here because she tries to convince Brooklyn to do some shit, he's going to regret later yet. Lesson those humans you just met. What did you do to provoke them? I did nothing the just attacked me exactly. That's what humans are like. But goliath says when they get used to it. They were used to us a thousand years ago, did that stop them from betraying destroying our mind? Again Liz, she is not wrong. Humans are all pieces shit except for lady dream. Boat just like all of us. Every single one of us. She wants to show Brooklyn. All the ways in which humanity is bad and I hate to break it to her. There's not enough time in the episode. Not Daniel do anything that would have been perfect opportunity for her to explain what the fuck! She's been doing for the last hundred, years yeah. It would be pretty great, but we don't have time because they have to go to a commercial break. Yeah, it's true, so they have a real Aladdin. I can show you the world moment where designing shimmering splitter. Jamin, yes, so she's like come on Brooklyn. Let me show you. The saddest story of New York City ever, but before we do that. How about we go to a quick commercial break? Because that's what they're doing to yeah, they have pretty good timing, so we're just following suit meet. Rome. Thanks for listening help others find our show by rating and reviewing on I tunes checkout calamity cast dot com for even more content, and follow us on Facebook, twitter and Instagram to get in touch and let us know how we're doing. If discord your things, join our server. If you like what you hear and you want to help, keep the lights on. Consider becoming a regular calamity casts contributor patriots, or if you'd like to make a one time donation, you can do so at pay. Pal, dot me forward, slash clarity cast. We appreciate your support and your donations truly make a difference. We are back, and so is gargoyles. Yes, so what happens now Dimona manages to find a random person just totally happens upon the situation. She's really good at good timing. Instead of helping this woman, they just watch her assault happen. Talk about Shitty People Gargoyles is apparently shitty. Able had that same thought, but then I was like okay well, they help her. Maybe get her purse back. And then she's just going to freak the fuck out and scream at a gargoyles. The way that we've seen that happen every time. Yeah, they at least got her purse back in like tossed it and been like. Kept going I mean you're making too much sense. I mean Dimona would never know Dimona wouldn't but it's weird the. Tribe isn't like no I I know what you're saying, but we could help this person right than Dimona takes Brooklyn to the window of home where two parents are fighting and breaking shit and their son runs off which again. How did she know that's really specific? Let's stop at this apartment. Where surely someone's going to be fighting inside? Yeah, I mean the personnel okay? Yes, all right that probably happened every twenty minutes in New York and Nineteen Ninety, four I'm speaking ill of past place whatever they deserve it yeah fuck. You New York nineteen ninety-four and finally a murder, yes. I will go back to it how she managing to find these seemingly random events. Maybe she committed the murder. There yeah all right throughout this. She's making some really convincing points about the need for Gargoyles to distance themselves from humans. Let's listen to her. Try to explain to Brooklyn that Goliath really needs to be made to see. The light humanity will never trust or accept us, but not all humans like that at least our friend. Perhaps the policewoman is the exception the poops of all. But can she keep you safe? From the rest of humanity? Only we can protect each other Brooklyn. We must be united and strong and willing to deal with the humans as they would deal with us so like you said she made some really good points, and I'd probably want to stay away from humans to if I had to deal with that, but can we hold on a second? How the fuck she know about the pack. That's a good question that you I am Brookland all ask yes, and she's like. Suspicion that stupid idiot. I don't WanNA speak ill of a bad ass, strong driven woman. She's a boss Bitch. She is a boss Bitch, which is great, except she typically has a man that she is kind of helping out or working for or semi, leading control her decisions. And, I don't know if it's. She's using a strong powerful person who can help her with what she's wanting to do. Regardless or if these people are Swain her, I would say that it's probably like she sees men and she's like Oh. Can you use them? Yeah, exactly. That's how I'm choosing to look at it because she knows how to get what she wants to get. Get and she knows how to manipulate people, and it just so happens that the most powerful people in the world especially in nineteen ninety four dudes. Yeah, because I mean she was working with El Capitan in Scotland to all right. There's always a man who's calling the shots, and I'm putting quotation marks over on that. You can't see me because this is audio scenario medium. Tell if she's being manipulated a little bit, or she's just really fucking brilliant. I think she's really fucking brilliant man, and that's what I WANNA. Know Her backstory. Episode nine in this episode, so here is where she reveals her master plan. She wants the the magic the magic. She wants the magic book the. Laker Norman I think is what she called it. To Make Goliath, see whatever that means and Brooklyn issues like cool. Good idea I'm very cool. GARGLE and I agree. That was excellent all right? Yeah, but it's like dude. Okay? Sure. She apologized and she's showing things and manipulating. You cool coca cool, but she also just tried to kill you. Two weeks ago man. Good. Castle. Let's go there. Guess Brooklyn makes his way back home. Just as dream boat stops by to again. Convince Goliath that the Gargoyles need to find a new home because there's only like one more month until David's back. Yeah, whole Jiman-. Not It's fine. I think he's thinking in terms of like nine hundred ad worth like I defeated the phone. This is mine now. David owns this well I mean. He bought the Gargoyles to write to. Gargoyles have rights man. I mean properly not in this day and age. What I don't understand. Why would goliath want to live there? Does he think that deluxe is going to not come back to the castle like I? Ask because they're gonNA. Be Roommates essentially you know? Why would he want to stay at the home of the dude that try to wipe out his species that sounds like the start of a really weird romance novel. His our home. Bullshit isn't much of an argument. No, it's not because you can make a home elsewhere like. Castle. You're attached to it. If deluxe wants them dead, all he has to do is wait till noon. And he knows that yeah and Goliath knows that because he's seen it happen before. Yeah, Goliath, rent an apartment man. Yes I'm curious because Dream Boat said like oh I have an option for you. And he immediately was like no, no, no! I need to know like what did she like? Yes, this would be great for my gargoyles. Friends yeah, what a bunch of good questions that this show is asking and answering. Okay so Brooklyn also isn't buying. Goliath is selling our read. This is our home and it's over man. We won everything's good, and has the rest of the fucking gargoyles. dufuses stand around, not chiming in on one side of the other think of anyone I have real strong opinions. Yeah, he can't be sold that he's like. Whatever I'm just here to watch TV and hang out. As all this is going on, the sun comes up and then shuts the conversation down. Yeah, it's a great way to end a fight. Net Stone now. So nighttime falls again and the. We got a montage of all them bursting out of stone because. It's sexy every time every time every time. Never GonNa get old, I mean all right just like the whole stretchy. They get to see his. We going to get to see some lady. GARGOYLES burst out stone. I want we haven't had any of that. Show isn't fair to white straight dude. Because you know when they're creating that. That's exactly what they're thinking. You know come on, guys think of the street WAGGA. Some fine all right, so it's daytime. It's nighttime. They're awake, Broadway and Lexington hungry or they're like. Hey, buddy, you wanNA come, eat breakfast to which is so funny to me. That I was like. Yes, I just woke up. It's time. Time for breakfast whatever. And Brooklyn because he has some shady shit he needs to deal is like Nah I'm good to go into the castle and steal a Gargantuan Aranjuez. Tannen as he do does real easily right? Okay, so first off. Did that book just come with the Castle? Yes, that's the book that deluxe had like episode two or three. He had found the book that the Magnum had created. Mega! Magnum Pi. The wizard in wine drunk tonight. The wizard man had made his own book I know, and you said that in a previous episode, but here it is well established that you were off, but this connect the book the. Book had blank pages in the back. He wrote a tale. Maybe he wrote. Some footnotes like t dubs accidentally turned my gargoyles pals into stone for a thousand years. oops can't find the counter spell. So what you need to do is i. put them in the clouds. Magic is weird hello. Brooklyn, he's steals the book he goes sneaking around, but again this is his home. You don't you don't have to sneak buddy I. Guess there's someone saw him with that luck. Doing Buddy. Back just what you guys. Boeing now wizard dragon man. Weird that he so secretive? Because there are only six people in this entire building and he broke into it bashing that case, so it's not like anyone else walks in there. Be Like! Oh, what's floors covered in glass? Probably big deal? Because they don't even know what the fuck glasses now, but he didn't break the glass. Key thing like I feel like that would just keep it always locked instead of just magically unlucky, and you don't know anything about technology. Though it's aching, it makes it work. Yeah, the time all the time. As as a show proves right so from there they go to the cloisters yeah. Brooklyn flies the book to Dimona. Who then tasks Brooklyn with getting Goliath back there? Yes. Familiar with video game fetch quests, but this is exactly what it reminded me of all right? Thank you for delivering the thing now. I need you to get the thing like Oh for fucks, sick and Brooklyn does it. Yeah, we go to. The closer is just like we quickly cut to the TV room earlier. We're just happen really fast. Going back. We go back to castle. And he's like Hey goliath buddy. I found this cool spot. It reminds me of Scotland at home. I think you'd really like it. You should come in college. He was sitting. He wasn't doing anything he was just. Kneeling is closed just sitting there. I just perch. Goliath was doing the equivalent of staring off into space. He was protecting the castle. He was napping. Look I'm old. Nap and board have read all the fucking. Vanquished my phone. There's nothing to do. Don't trustee anymore. Let's go back to the cloisters, Liz? What is the cloisters looks like a weird. British, like if you're until like Downton Abbey, or something like that like a not a castle, but like. A state home or whatever but. New York City. It's like what what is this? It looks like there may have been a church later on. We see what I thought was funny. Is that Brooklyn's like `have is place. It looks just like where we came from, but they are living in where they living in where they came from Liz and I, guess the place kind of looks like their house. House maybe menges Scotland in general, aren't they? In Central Park Outside, Jessica Gould cloister Oh. You didn't do that beforehand. You're going to do it on Mike Yes god, you're embarrassing a covered walk in convent. Monastery College or Cathedral typically with a wall on one side in a colonnade, open to a quadruple on the other. Okay, so it's definitely a church there in later. Assumes. Covered walkway that opens up to greenspace the picture Liz. Showing me pretty much looks like what we saw New York has churches I guess I can buy that. Asked and answered, so then Dimona comes out. Of course she's got the Iraqi war spectacular. She's going to do some fucking magic with a K.. So like anyone, just do magic. Okay if you read the book like the Magus just had a book. He wasn't a magic guy. He was a dude with long hair. Is Good enough for me to just get stuck in my throat like you're gonNA. You're gonNA live with that for too long. Yeah. Anybody can fuck it magic. Dimona does magic. She's got the book and then we cut to break. Yeah, should we? Also? It's GonNa Happen. We're GONNA do it. This is a good transition by. Long. Hello this is Mike and I'm here to tell you about my podcasts comparing apples to oranges each month. One of my Brillian Co hosts an I consume two pieces of media that are new to US usually move album. We start each episode with a little background or history, and we create a set of criteria to figure out which one is better. Make things a little different. Different we only compared to things in the same category that don't belong in Saint John for example. Some past episodes had migraine cocoas, comparing to Roy trick movies to albums by the kids, a famous artist in two movies that scored zero percent on rotten tomatoes. CHECK US out each month wherever you download the podcast or head over to the Cato podcast. Step log spot dot top. Thanks bye. Hello, wow, we our. Listeners full disclosure, this episode has had some technical difficulties, and we're doing our best to row with anyway. Oh, great so! Goliath all surprised to see Dimona even though like she literally had no idea where she had been. Yeah, but when asked do you think she survived? Yeah, probably because he he knows his lady lady at Watch yourself. She's a scrappy kind of Gal. She survives. She's a flying Feline Gargoyles. He's like Oh hey. You'd be back. There aren't enough villains in this show throwing away so soon right by. He does seem surprised that she has the magic book. Yeah, so before our break Dimona sent Brooklyn to gather goliath right because she had to practice the spell. She's like it takes a lot I gotta get it right. You get Goliath I'm going to rehearse. There seems like there was no time in between. Let's take a listen to this spell because it sounds tough, yes. Do in stunt tart. With as it turns out, it was three words, and then you can shoot lasers from a book like a green smoggy thing that just takes over someone, and now he has glowing green is the spell works immediately. Who Did she practice on? How did she know she was to? I don't know. Yet and immediately Brooklyn regretful his decisions. He's like Oh, God. God I wanted him to see the truth not for you to be able to inflate his mind like this because she's able to now control him. God dummy, listen to Dimona. What did you fucking was going to happen? He's shocked. The he was tricked his baffled so Dimona. Obviously I. Can I mean come on dude? You wanted him to know that humans are bad, right? This is how we're GONNA do it. He's just going to be my little slave man until I can accomplish all the things I needed accomplish because those. oops Brooklyn. You're done. goofed up all right. I'm not even get into how Brooklyn could be so dumb. He goes for the book. He wants to reverse the spell. Yes, but he sucks. So Dimona six glass on him and she's like. Oh, no, I don't have to fight you I've got an attack dog now. Yes, and then Brooklyn attempts to flee. He breaks down the door of the old church. which I mean, those are some big doors. I, don't even know why I was questioning. I Ju- I. Just want didn't WanNA. Make assumptions. Cloisters, church got it all right so the rest of the scene plays out exactly as you'd expect. She doesn't want to hurt Brooklyn now, but she gonNA. For the greater good yeah, it's like an abusive spouse. You know like you made me do this. Yes, she tries to use the spell on Brooklyn. They tussle book gets knocked from her hands. It's very dynamic this whole situation. There's more hustling. There's more wrassling and she's like know what fine whatever Goliath kill this dude, I? Don't need him. Yeah, Liz glass doesn't client doesn't because you have to be holding on to the book and she's like, but I got the book, but Brooklyn Sneaky Little Devil and he is, he tore out the spout or spell. He had the power socket Dimona, southgate. Southgate so now instead of Brooklyn being like Hey Goliath. Let's all figure this out man. He's like glide killed him. Oh, no, like fucking again. There's like seven of you on the planet. Chill out you intense. Yeah, it's overkill, left and right. He's playing for keeps now. I guess he's had enough of her shit. Which I think he feels feels betrayed for sure right. I'm just another one of her little minions like he hurt. He thought they were team. Yeah, I have to assume. She's his mother. Because we haven't talked about that recently, it's been a while. Still only one lady gargoyles that we've ever met with a bunch of dudes three of them young. I really want to know their ages and like at what point do they stop acting like these like kind of Dufy? Teens become more like Goliath. These particular dufy teens. I'm GonNa say never always genes, these are the dudes that are are like you know what I'm. GonNa work, part time and seven eleven, and I'm GonNa live with my parents. Like these are those Bros. listen I dropped out of college after one semester because that shit is tough. These, dudes! Dimona! She's going to flee the scene. She jumps like fifteen feet in the air to great jumper physics. In this episode. They're playing fast and loose. Yes, you know I was just editing and older episode and we were talking about wing, flapping and flying versus gliding, and this is another one of those physics things where like apparently Dimona can jump twenty feet in the air. She's got a sick vert. She's running. She's jumping. It's bad ass. Goliath goes. What does he, does he? Does. He jumped to cut so. He just suddenly up there. Yeah, we don't know what he did. When he is under this spell, he kind of has his like lumbering kind of Phoenix to him. He's very not exactly Zombie like put. Zombie Ish, he's Frankenstein Monster, and he is the arms out the kind of stumbling forward and he he goes to grab. Dimona and they crash through this big stained glass window, and it's really cool and instead of crashing to the ground like you'd think again. They manage to recover in mid air like cats and flyway, so gargoyles are winged cap. They are winged. Cats want one no. That actually it would be really troublesome. Than Brooklyn follows literally flapping his wings gaining altitude. Yes, I saw that because gargoyles only can't fly when it's convenient to the plot exactly otherwise they can was specimen off I. Know! I made the same note I mean he goes up. He's flying. He's literally flying fuck glide. So goliath catches up with Dimona there in a park area. All Been in central park. It's all been very park very green outside, and that park is so goddamn big. Does it have like the cloisters I don't know. Next week I'm talk. Alliance is able to grab onto Dimona and takes her fucking down. She's ripping pages out of the book. which originally I was like. What is she doing? I'm pretty sure she was ripping out the like as it turns ashes ripping out the counter spell, because as we've discussed, you never keep the counter spell on the same page. Why would you do that? Dammit? The magic man was dumb and he wrote those book eight. Or. Did he just find this book? Because we've discovered, anyone can do magic if you have A. Book, He didn't Know Shit Yeah Idiot, so she is able to find the exact page while flying. He takes her down and it's brutal. Brutal. Twist them so he's the one who smashes into the ground far, but they fucking take down a tree. They destroy that trae dude. How much do gargoyles. Fuck ton and turns out. It was an adult tree. Yeah, it was like a fucking oak yeah! Dimona just decides to fuck off escape. Yes, because even though he's a mindless Ambi-. Goliath is still a force to be reckoned well of course, and then she gives a great villain line. Can I just plain this real fast? This time I'll get you next time, and then she flies off. Well, she doesn't fly off because she throws the gigantic normal snack him into a river. Is there a river that goes through the? Town bluff into a mill. What version of New, York, city they're living in yeah. I know there's rivers in New York obviously. The, Hudson, it's not the East River. It looks like just a river through the park, and there's a fucking bluff makes sense he's, doesn't she? Pulls some really goofy villain shit. It's funny. She does officiating into the air. I'll get you next time. Fox Off, it's great. You should be the the wicked witch. I'm good at being a wicked witches. Yes, you are anyway. Brooklyn was like none of the no in dives down in manages to save the book defying physics again six inches away from the water. Swoops backup. We've discussed this exact scenario before where. Terminal Velocity you can only fall so fast and if he's not slapping, he's not propelling himself faster than the book. That fucking book should be in water, whatever it's a cartoon, I get it cartoons in the nineties. They didn't respect reality as much. As things like adventure time. CARTOONS TODAY So we find out that it was actually the counter spells that she was ripping out as we talked about already. This is what happens when you keep that counter. Spell on a different page, yeah! It's such poor book construction. How do you put books together? I don't know I'm not an author, so Brooklyn is like come on, buddy. Let's go home and get some home and they're trying to figure out how to fix it. You can't Goliath Thas Adum Zombie forever. That's how he is for the rest of the series. Extend into the comics H- Dream Boat shown up dream boat shows up, and and she's like wait so like I have to hold these pages right. Just have to hold these pages and he'll do whatever I want. Schick it's wild, right? Allie Jean like yes, I finally get didn't do that thing I. Want Him to deal with the thing. Smile is on the fly. What's what's the bank? She doesn't want to say she doesn't want to reveal too much about herself right now. She's like the only thing I got is in my brain and. y'All. Don't need to know that thing. WAS A mad hot gargoyles sakes it's fine. Episode by. Out No clever thing. Yeah, let's hear it. Okay Big Guy. I'm holding the spell, and that means you have to do what I say. Goliath I order you to act for the rest of your life exactly as you would. If you were not under a spell, she's too smart for fucking book. She's like I, know books. Ain't got shit on detectives. Magic is no fucking match for Twentieth Century High waisted Dkny. Genes so, do you think that would actually work? Obviously, it worked in this, but like I. I won't eat to act like you would act. How'd you never been put under this over? That's the thing he would still be under the spell right like she could holding those pages, she could reverse that at any time. And you know what I bet. She fucking does I. Bet you pockets that spell and she's like. Oh, no, I know what I did. I know bye-bye. But his eyes are no longer glowing green. He's back to normal and Brooklyn so apologetic. He's like I. Heard You the first time here you get here. He just couldn't I couldn't react. Is Very quick to forgive this very small, very specific group of people. If you're Dimona if you're deluxe, fuck you forever. I'm never forgiving you basically, if you've tried to kill Goliath twice I, don't forgive subtle little brogue oils. He loves his little rascals. Little little guys. Can know any better. He didn't know any better than to trust demo-. Come onto. Yeah, he trusted Dimona I mean Yeah forgiveness. It's fine, but don't let Brooklyn forget that thing forgive. Don't let them forget the time that he fucked up. Early what do they do with the book? Do they just put it back in the glass case? Do, they set it on fire for Fuck Sake, knowing them. They're like Oh. This is our history will put back really they should handed off to dream boat and it'd be like. Can you bury this or something? Yeah, put it in safety deposit box I don't know what that is. I mean they know motorcycles. Motorcycle savings deposit back same thing motorcycles I the banking system second neuron. This episode ends with all the Dudes Tuck in for a long day's rest when Lexington asks, what happened at the motorcycle oh? Yeah, it exploded whoops. Over. And then you just see poor lacks. This surprise. Do feel cool face. Stuck like that until nighttime, and that's the end of the episode we're. GonNa. Take One more break. We're GONNA come. Back Along. Diane. Remind me to get Cherry Pie filling. Do Water. Oh come on, man I told you I don't even like David Lynch. Yeah, but you've never seen twin peaks. You might really like it. You never know there is absolutely no way I'll get into that show and prove it okay I'm intrigued how I'm going to watch every single episode and Co host the podcast where we discussed all the ways in which I can't stay in the show. Yeah, that seems counterintuitive. I hope it's funny. At least you bet your Cherry Pie will be. Funnier than that I hope shut up, subscribe to the Black Lodge. Complaint Department on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast and check US OUT AT CALAMITY GAS DOT com. Well folks we are back. We've finished episodes seven T. A, Tom Waits Song new all everyone is familiar. I. I'll play for you later Liz. Was What did you think of this episode I liked it a lot more than last episode, okay? Wasn't speaking to be honest. Last episode wasn't great. This'll better. But it left me angry with so many questions so many questions that they could've taken the opportunity to answer. And the teased us what those things and that pissed me off. I agree I'm with you. One hundred percent I'm assuming we'll get more Dimona information later on, but like on would have been the perfect time to explain to us. WHAT THE FUCK! She's been doing for hundreds of years. I know. It's a children's program, but what makes for a good feeling is the idea of being able to sympathize with them to a certain degree. Why is Dimona acting this way? If you gave us that? Yeah, we could be more on her side for various reasons. Obviously I've made my opinions very clear. Not a fan of other people yeah so I. Get it from that standpoint, but what happened a hundred years ago or hurt you Dimona or you yeah I mean i. we think that she has been frozen for a thousand years just like the other gargoyles. then. We learned that. Maybe she's been away a few hundred years, but bad should happen like let us. Yeah I want to know and if it weren't David, who unmarked throws her? How did she get above the clouds right? Did Someone Hump that statue? Eighteen hundred someone humping that statue Glenn she is hot. But if it workday, but like David was the one that on stone her. Stone like. Then like why how did she find him? And why did she decide to work? These are all really good question. I assumed the reason why she's like Oh. Yeah you I, agree with your plans. And what you're doing is because he's the one that broke the spell for her. He doesn't even have any plans. He is into I. Guess Corporate Espionage, and also gargoyles murder I. I can't wait for him to get back in this show and give some real motivation. Because as we saw in the last episode, he just wanted to kill the Gargoyles, but he woke the gargoyles. He didn't have to do that. He just wanted to see what it it got to assume. We're only seven episodes in that. There is a big master plan or I hope anyway. Because if you look at what were given, it's all stupid. I bought a castle to wake up Gargoyles, which apparently I already knew is real, so I didn't have to do that then I wanNA. Kill him right? There's gotta be more. Yeah. I can't wait to find out. The LEX Luther of this universe. Hope, so 'cause lex Luther is fucking dastardly. Yeah, some interesting pesos yeah was as a as a human. Do think that would be accepted by Dimona if I helped her destroy. All humans aren't. Very. Lee should be like. Oh, here's stupid man that I can use. That's fair I am a stupid. Fully admit. Dumb guys. She'd be like yes. Yes, please let me use you all right. I two week it to destroy all humans, because I'm into it. Now that means me two bomber. It was. Liz who is next in the game of trust humans until they obviously turn on you Broadway for shower. All you do dangle some delicious food I was going to say is his episode against a hot dog vendor. I, don't trust you. I doubt vendor. He was son of a this is me. Yeah No, it's definitely gonNA be Broadway and. Food related I mean I think I just played it out I think. We, did it those are all my questions this week? Did you like this up? You know I didn't when I watched it, but discussing the ridiculousness of it made me like a little little more. Yes, but I have basically all this in questions you did. I have all the same concerns you did and I'm hoping it's just leading to more I feel like it is i. feel like. Like for what little I remember of the overall are of Gargoyles. Is that everything connected pretty well? Right? So this is just a taste of what's to come because I remember Dimona, and again I was a child, but I remember Dimona being a really good villain. Yeah, I, don't remember. Why Deluxe is game now? I don't remember that at all, and as an adult I remember ponytail. Are they just shitty. Roommate's like what is going to happen. You know. Yeah, but I'm intrigued for episode. I WANNA see more can't wait I know that eventually deluxe gets a gargoyles robots sue. I. Excited for that, and if its disappointing I'll flip a goddamn table, and like I mean they said in this episode of their a month away from deluxe, getting out of prison I. Don't know what will time line is so my guess is in the next few episode till we back in the picture looking forward to it, but for now we have to leave. Hey Pal oils, dear, dear Powell, thanks for joining us on another stellar episode of defenders of the Night I. Say Stellar because I wrote this before the computer crashed. We made it work. We've made it work. We as always would like to shout out Ian McGowan creating the interstitial music. You've enjoyed today. Check him out on Instagram and twitter at I'm not spelling it out. It's been seven episodes. You guys figured it out. It's easy. Underscore Breezy, underscored Mac and check out his band. Good deeds at good deeds, Music Band Camp Dot Com, if you want to talk gargoyles or your favorite motorcycle. Sake. 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Episode 101: Face Me Human, If You Dare

Defenders Of The Night

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Episode 101: Face Me Human, If You Dare

"We are defendants. The most trusted source for talked about him coverage if favorite mid-nineties animated program Gargoyles. I'm your host Daniel Williams and I'm your host. Liz Urkel Liz. We are starting a brand new podcast. Today it's a new adventure. It's a new chapter in the claim to cast history. An we are drinking to celebrate. We are new beginning. We're having some tasty tasty ciders recording during the day. So we're not gonNA get too crazy just some light day drinking to talk about a children's program what you do. Yeah so we're talking gargoyles from now until seventy eight weeks from now. It looks like at least chaser. Glad I had this idea. Yeah this was a good idea. Thank you Disney. Plus yes Liz. What is your history with the Disney Animated Program Gargoyles? Well I definitely watched it when I was younger. I assume as it aired. I really don't quite remember when you were an infant right. Like nine hundred ninety four came out. I would've been five four older brothers so my guess is they. Were watching it so I was watching it with them and I remember getting really like hooked into it. I just don't know if I started watching it like right when it first aired or caught up to a little bit later down the line but I do very much remember. Thinking that Goliath was Hunky Honky Gargoyles Hong Kong. Yeah here's my here's a winged man. Well I am almost positive. I was watching the show from the very beginning. I would have been nine years old. It looks like in October of nineteen ninety four. I have very strong. Memories of a Gargoyles t shirt that I wore a lot like until it got holes like Iraq. This t-shirt I remember loving it so very much so big fancier big fans so for the uninitiated gargoyles follows the adventures of a clan of nocturnal creatures known as Gargoyles Gulu led by the heroic dream. Vote Goliath during the day they turn to stone and at night they come alive to defend their castle and home from the. Ne'er do wells. Just whoever I guess. Yeah I mean back then would mostly been vikings and probably other Scottish clans. That want to take over Vikings. Just back off and for those of you who don't know. The show starts knits nine. Ninety four. I believe ADEEM. So we're we're in the middle of Medieval Times so a little bit of background about the show from our good friends at Wikipedia. Thank you wikipedia Dot Org for sponsoring the show. Today I believe that's our first sponsor right. Hey probably anyway. The series premiered October Twenty Fourth Nineteen Ninety four and ran for seventy eight episodes over three seasons. So like I said we're GONNA be here while some of the recognizable cast members and this is not everybody but these are the names that when I was looking at the cast like. I know those names so we have Keith. David Ed Asner. Everyone's lovable asner Marina surtees Jonathan frakes. John Reese Davies Rice. Davis. It's reese it's going to be restrained tests Imerese John Rhys Davies in Kate mulgrew. And you don't know this yet but there are many star Trek Actors. The pop up. Yes you've told me I'm very excited. It was produced by Walt Disney television and distributed by Buena Vista Television. I don't know what the difference is because Walt Disney owns point of ESTA. Today we're covering gargoyles season one episode one awakening part one of five by the way. There's five parts to awakening a name. That ship very clever naming. It was written by Eric Luke in Michael Reaves and directed by Forgive me Saburo Hashimoto and Katsuo Terada. I'm guessing I always put your names On podcast Daniel Daniel Daniel close enough. It's really not that long. There's only six but that's okay Liz. Shall we dive in yes? Shaded the show opens in New York City giant explosions going off atop a Manhattan skyscraper. It is fucking chaos chaos. There are just large parts of an entire building falling from the sky. Just chilling on the street like. Oh what's that? Yeah the cars are crashing. You know skating shits nuts but the people standing on the street as you say are just looking up like they expect to see something aside from their immediate death right suddenly a sweet old timey Cadillac with police. Light on top rolls up and we are introduced to what's going on here. Detective must be a heck of a pontiac. Many young people sexual awakening. I mean Daniel is nine so it probably couldn't I mean it seems a little early but You know you you recognize beauty when you see. She is very pretty and she is. She has like almost blue black hair. Very natural everybody has statefarm and cartoons anyway. Did you recognize the police officers voice? I'm bad at this type of stuff like you. You you say all these names as if I'm supposed to know who they are and then I'm like hull. That was Keith. David Aka Goliath Aka cop telling people to get back because for some reason they are all way too close to this disaster area. Really now I want to Rewatch it for a fourth time. And as we mentioned why is anybody standing near this chaos but also why are they interested in being so close? It's terrifying terrifying. But I guess it's the same thing like if a car crash happens and everyone's just kind of like staring and waiting to see what happened human nature to just watch shit. Go Down Counter. That with this is like if a car crash happened. And then while people were standing around cars kept driving into the crash and then people walked into the crash and more cars crashing. Yeah I'm just saying guys don't do it guys do it so then that detective. Maza fines that there's claw marks in solid stone intrigue. What is it that mean? We'll never know 'cause we never come back to Manhattan in this episode. We cut to the title card. But we don't get the sweet intro music yet. No it does not come up in this episode at all. I don't think right how it gets introduced a little bit later. They're not protecting New York. And they're not defenders of the night yet. I mean I guess our Scotland. I don't know what I'm talking about. We'RE GONNA go to Scotland Nine ninety four. We're in the middle or I guess we're at the beginning of some kind of castle siege and we get some killer music now Liz yes. You ARE A well-known Scottish. History buff and. I'm sure that you can tell me and tell our listeners. Exactly what's happening in this siege seen? Who are these attackers? Who are they attacking? It's got to be historically accurate. Go ahead I'm here. I WANNA learn. Learn me well. No a little bit of research. I actually did do those an interested to see if maybe it was possibly a real thing I as far as I could tell nothing. Major happened in Nineteen ninety-four. We do find out though that it's Vikings I. I think people just assume anyone who's attacking in that time period was probably a viking. But there's actually a lot of people that lived in Scotland It was a combination of Scandinavian slash. The Vikings Celtic Slash Gaelic French in English and I added a bunch of different people at that time lived in that area and it was definitely in the Vikings attack. You know whenever my car is broken into. I assume it's like Mike into gains right there. Listen if we haven't even Viking listeners. I'm just GONNA go ahead and put it out there right now. You're not welcome. You're not looking to listen to us. Now what we don't want you listening. We don't break into cars. Vikings back off Minnesota Vikings fans. Fuck you welcome. We kind of her to a couple of the soldiers and they've got opinions on this whole situation. I'm going to quickly play that clip for you. Talking Castle for the governor's knife on this is crazy and hickel news it my friend. That's not crazy questioning my sanity. When I'm in earshot that's crazy. I say those gargoyles stove. Even if they aren't it's worth the risk for the plunder within it's bad news. They're not wrong. Not a good idea. You know what he knows. It hit on is the leader of this Viking Siege Force and Liz. Do you know what else what hit on his voice by clancy. Goddamn Brown. The man I wish was my grandpa. Do you know clancy Brown all. Yes you do okay. Because as I'm sure you're aware his best known for roles both in animation and live action. He has a long voice acting career. LemMe List you some of his most. Well UNROLLS LEX Luther and superman the animated series and Justice League? Read death in the venture. Brothers you know the venture brothers. I've heard about well. I gotTA learn something. Fine live action. He was colonel. Ray schoonover in both daredevil and the punisher daredevil season to punish your season one. You knew that I've never actually seen those. Did you see carneval? Hbo Show he played brother. Justin Crowe and the two seasons of carnival. Okay I know you know this one least important but still he voices Mr Crabs and spongebob. Spongebob nobody does know. I know people who are obsessed twenty. I know it's a it's well regarded. He sings the opening theme. Two is the pirate. Oh He's things that that's C. You know clancy Brown. That's Bhagat me. That guy of course pirate okay moving on okay so hey con gets down to serious attacking business because God dammit. There's booty if you will and it's worth. The risk of climbing and being disembowelled by Gargoyles was quick question. Yes he is leading the charge against the castle and he decides to go all the way up to the very top of the building via a grappling hook all the way to the highest goddamn point where. Goliath is perched. You can't get any higher than Goliath. Why what is he doing? Is that where? Scottish kings keep all the best blender I probably. I mean you'd think so right. I don't know I guess it looked cool right like he looks like a really fucking bad ass. Yeah he was like I'm going to no I'M GONNA keep go. No you guys fight those guys. I'm GONNA keep climbing. I WanNa see what's up here. It looks coward. Limited be honest looks cowardly. Looks like he's trying to escape. I know you guys got it. I'M GONNA be up here. It's a very dangerous. He knew that glide is up there so maybe he doesn't believe that the gargoyles are real. See the ad that really makes no sense. Now dumbed down in my notes I call it. Mount Dip Shit Haycock gets to the top of dip shit right as the sun goes down and I think that he made a big mistake because we are introduced to the one the only the God damn man of the Hour Goliath. He's voiced by legendary Keith. David you of course know him from a variety of roles like to share some that I found interesting with our listeners. Flame King from adventure time adventure time and you know flame king. Of course he was. Flame princesses dead. Yeah that's how royal lineage works. Yeah sometimes and as we all know Finn and flame princess. They had quite a steamy romance. You didn't know that. So lavar gorilla king from the Flash L. Wurley from community that Stanley Sunday from seventh heaven. You know that one. I didn't know that one. 'cause I forgot. That was a program that existed. I was obsessed with that show. Stanley son eight David Spawn. He voiced spawned in the animated. Hbo Series and perhaps his most well known role. You know it. I know at all of our listeners. Mary's dad from there's something about Mary like how he doesn't actually have named Mary. Ideal of his voice low like I just want him to narrate everything. Want him to sentence me to life in prison. I'd be okay with that. I want him to read me. My last rites slowly seductively. Yes takes a swing at Goliath with his sword and it kicks off a pretty awesome battle between the siege army and the guardrails. Did you remember being so many really didn't because I just remembered the main cast ray? I totally forgot that when we're back here and we're doing this flashback. There's like forty gargoyles. Some have armor have weapons. But it's like the birds level of like flight happening. It seems dangerous and I don't know how they avoid crashing into each other in the practice. You know what fine fine. Everyone's getting their asses kicked and the camera pans up to tear it where we meet three of arming characters. We'll get their names later now. They don't have names as we learn later in the episode and because of that I'm not going to refer to any of them other than Goliath by their actual names. As matter of fact in my notes I don't even refer to him as much of the time anyway. There's some poking fun at fat Google and these three joined the battle. Yes there's more fighting kicking passes and we are introduced to old a bearded gargoyles. Who is getting slow for age? He he almost gets whacked in the back of the NOGGIN. No unite talked about this earlier off chatting about this show. Why does he have a Scottish accent? But no one else does. This is Ed Asner. So it's not Scottish but it's Scott is he's doing his best as tier actual question. I don't know because the other main character gargoyles have very American accidents. They're not even trying which I don't know how I feel about this. Because we see a royal person later has her best attempted a Scottish accent? I don't know we have a linguist friend and he tried to explain it to us You know as you mentioned. There was a lot of different kinds of people living in the area at the time but nineteen ninety-four remind me how old was America at this point. Zero zero okay so there would have been nothing even a little close to the accents Tonkin. You know in my research old gargoyles think he actually was the original leader before Goliath was leader. So maybe he has a Scottish accent because he's the old ways one. I don't know I have another observation regarding these gargoyles. These creatures defenders of the night who is are they mammals because big. And what I'M GONNA call Jerry Jerry Field Gargoyles. They have hair. They have beards But they all have leathery wings. We'll meet the lady gargoyles. She has a full head of hair boobs. And well you know what yes. I don't know why we have to go there immediately. I mean but they've got leathery wings which I guess could be bad but they look like lizard especially the little green guy yeah especially looks lizard like and their legs looked kind of bird like I guess I'm really hung up on the anatomy of Gargoyles in general. But it's bizarre and they wear clothes so there you don't. They don't want their ding-dong hanging out. Wow How old are there wieners? Sorry grow up their leathery Reptilian weenies so okay and then we see that. There's eggs like this other hatchlings. They make reference to. I haven't been here since I was hatched. Oh yeah later in the episode. Yeah that's an platypus. Come from Planet Pie. Those animals come from eggs and they're mammals. Yeah what's going on? I don't know backtrack but doing more research first off. These aren't gargoyles quit. Know bring up your research nerd. They're technically not gargoyles. Grotesques which is grotesque is like the general term gargoyles are a type of grotesque but gargoyles have the spout mouth thing. They were used on the sides of buildings. Pretty much a water downtown downspouts. Yeah they were downspouts to protect all the stonework on the architecture of the building because otherwise the water which is a road it so the Gargoyles were there for that purpose to protect the building from like the Gargoyles from the hunchback of Notre Dame. Those are Gargoyles gargoyles are they. I think they are. It's been a long time since I wasn't. I don't think I've ever actually seen it. But speaking as an expert. Yes they're definitely went. Deep hole of architecture stuff prepping would like this is fascinating. I'm really invested in the evolutionary. Biology gargoyles maybe. We'll need to get some sort of specialists in here as a guest. Excuse me I question. How do they fuck? Liz urkel defenders than I just quick question. I'm most interested in how they fuck do they. Can you show me? I'll take my answer off the air. Thank you but really though I mean they reproduce there have to be some fucking right Liz. They come from eggs. Are they all coming from that one lady? Gargoyles was she the only female they showed. She's when they showed. Yeah she is exhausted. Yeah She's the Queen Bee there we haven't even let's keep going okay. So in the middle of this battle Goliath has chatting with I assume was the king of the castle. I we I was wrong. The Guy Leading the defense and this is when we learned. I assume it's important that recently. The castle folk the Lords and ladies. They took an abandoned refugees and he believes that the vikings followed them. I don't see any of this as being relevant. Seems like Filler? Because they couldn't just have ten minute battle sequence in a cartoon I dunno it really is just an excuse later on for people to be mean to gargoyles rarely. Yeah so we cut over to that group and we see the comedic relief. Fat Gago lead in is an issue. Fat gargoyles floats down to steal food in the middle of the battle man. You've taken an oath to protect this castle. You've got shit to do man like I mean if you have the opportunity to eat wild fighting when you take it. I don't know I'm not fighting the I. Multitasking like eating your Turkey leg and using it as a weapon as he does he does use it as a man. That's an with enough force to knock a man. Unconscious knows a strong yeah. I don't know if that's possible. I mean how big of a Turkey was that. Turkey legs are. Have you ever got one other festival? I mean I've made Turkeys before so I'm familiar. I'm with the anatomy of Turkey's I don't Turkeys Man. Who why are you saying? I seem bigger at festivals than what you have at home. You're comparing my size to someone else. And you know what that's fine because it doesn't matter it's the delicious of the meat inside moving on so we cut to hey con looking shook. He was not expecting Mammalian Lizard Demons he was expecting to come in chop up some lords rape some ladies steal some booty like he has warned. Right right yeah I mean I felt about it too so all this is happening. He's checking his surroundings and I'm watching the subtitles on and he's he's out of breath and on the screen and says pants and that was something I found so funny I majored. Put it in my notes so that I could say it on Mike. But then there's a guard dog dog oil doug so I feel like well. Disney's just weird. It's Goofy is a dog but also has a dog so is it that like. Oh well you know he's also gargoyles but he's Gargle Pat. Yes Doug Oil shows up and you're right he's like Pluto. The Pluto of the Gargoyles Goliaths goofy. I have so many questions and this goes back to the evolutionary biology that I find so interesting. Is this a pre oil gargoyles this Doug Hoyle evolve into a Goliath Lake creature? I don't think so. And he the only dog that we are shown and then as we learn later on. That's the only one we ever see. You have to assume there's some cat GOYAL's Some some canary oils as otherwise. This is someone's child. This is a toddler. They're born as doug creatures and grow into humanoid bird. This wish that that had this kind of sense as a child to be like what the fuck is going on here but no I took it for what it was really cool. That's the thing. No this makes total sense. Okay okay so then there's a lady gargoyles. Oh yeah moving so fast through the characters at how did lady Gargoyles make you feel? Did you like her as much as detective lady or like Lady mcharg. Oil Did to some people growing up the same as what Goliath did to others. They are a hot cup. Larisa sexy power couple exactly right and you know with detective Maza. It's one thing she's a human we get it. We can all relate but I feel like lady Macbeth. Oil spawned tons of fairies in the mid nineties. Probably Yeah I got a thing for bad wings and I did not know that until right now. Well it's like Jessica Rabbit Jessica. Rabbit was a human what she sixty Rabbit Jessica Rabbit from. Who Framed Roger Rabbit? No she is a woman human woman but there's also version of her. She has like Benny ears and they like slow down. Yeah that's fantastic. That's fantastic. I thought I don't know what you're talking about. Here's the thing about lady mic gargling. Yes they all wear the loincloths. Yes but she's got like a bikini top because gargoyles as a species as we all know have a very strict sense of modesty like all good Christians and she wants to maintain her purity. Sure wouldn't you too? If you're the only female that all these horny gargoyles were running a fuck. I don't know I mean she's got to be the mother of all these gargoyles air is the only who else is lying all those eggs. I don't know what is happening. Are Gargoyles a human gargoyles hybrid? Are there human women that are laying eggs? What is Lewis? We are turning in this very bizarre territory very early on in our series seven minutes to show. Yeah Yeah we're seven minutes into the actual episode. Speaking of Lady Mc Gargoyles is when I would like to introduce people to the defenders of the night. Podcast within a podcast where we discuss your favourite show that you've never seen star trek the next generation yet because lady. Magog oil is voiced by everyone's favourite. Counselor aboard the Starship Enterprise. Deanna Troi Aka Marina surtees. She's got a great first line. Muscle stiffness face me human. If you dare I would not dare. It'd be like okay by you. Know rough on a jump off this forty foot wall and fall into hey. She has a very commanding presence. That I think is more terrifying than like Goliath or the other gargoyles. 'cause she's got a rage inside her. Well she has definite rage whereas glides seems very much like these are humans. We must protect them. It's our duty and she's like Fook. These human yeah. I WANNA kill them. All this episode doesn't get into it but I hope the later on. We really dive. Deep into Y Goliath has such a sense of honor and loyalty towards the humans that our Dicks to him and why she is so she's she's now wrong not wrong as we see later on the episode because again we're seven minutes in everyone fucking hates Gargo. It's really bizarre. Before we move on. Liz I have to ask you. What do you think about? The glowing is Zada. Thing they just do at will. Is that only when they're angry? How do you feel about this? It's a is it a defense mechanism. I think it's definitely when they're angry. That's the only time we really see that. She's like getting real intense. Her eyes flash could hurts. Glow Red I think a couple of other ones. That glow like white. Yeah she's in this episode. Glow red okay. So glides shows up before lady MIC Cargo Hill and the dog. Oil Can really cause some damage to. Hey Con- you don't want to read it. No parent go higher then throws hey con off of you good thirty foot wall or whatever and he landed a giant pile of hay that like. It's a never ending cascade of. Hey It's like a sea of hey like what the fuck is going on with his little basket all day. That's you know. He would not have actually saved. He jumped into a shopping cart size barrel of Hay and it just like a Su- Nami good for him because his ass would have been broken out through his skull. He'd actually landed on real. Hey he would've died disgustingly it blows my mind how cartoons and things like this always make it sound like. Hey which is break your fallen. So soft and cuddly like it's not a pile of cotton. It's hey hey hurt. The fuck cartoons. Feel like you're giving us unrealistic views of what? Hey can you for US anyway? Moving on the red gargoyles flies to soldiers outside the castle grounds which that's intense muscle strength. Yeah that's like wine and holding to humans so we're talking maybe say almost four hundred pounds in addition to and they don't fly. That's the thing they don't really mention. They don't mention in this episode but they glide they cannot flap. Yeah they're like a slightly parachuting down to the flying squirrels bats. Physics means nothing to these weird Lizard Batman Liz. I think that I need to crack. Open another Sider and we're going to take a break we're gonNA come back and we are never going back to New York City F. Why no right? We'll be right back in the year. Twenty one hundred years cybernetic hands. Population threatened to tear down everything. America held dear. Free speech drive-thru liquor stores and guns so many guns. After much deliberation it was decided that if America and superior values what to survive the coming roebuck lives. There was only one option. Get the fuck up the next hundred years so the construction of Space Merica the galaxies newest and brighter star. If you value adventure good times CYBORG FISTFIGHTS. Find your place in space. Merica SPACE MERICA. No cyborgs nearby subscribed to space. America on Apple podcast. Google PODCAST STITCHER OR CHECKOUT CALAMITY CAST DOT COM. So the battles over and everyone's hungry because you know nothing makes you hungry like a good old fight and piles of dead bodies? Yeah you know after you a battle like that you also have to clean up. So we're talking. What fifty sixty dead? Vikings pile up and do a shallow grave. And you set that motherfucker fire. We move into the castle hall. And there's a big celebration. Going on. People are eating lots of more Turkey. They're only eating Turkey legs in this episode. I don't know if you noticed that now. As our resident Scotland expert is the country known for its massive Turkey farms in. Was it known for them over a thousand years ago just turkeys? As far as the I could see sounds about right to me you know. Instead of Viking army that was attacking it should have been a Turkey army that would explain all they ending Turkey legs so we see the meeting in meets expensive. It was definitely expensive back then. Like how fucking richer they that they just like Turkey. Legs are everybody. I mean you couldn't eat the rest of the Turkey or is it just makes no the rest. They use for catapults. You couldn't walk around outside the castle grounds without tripping over a half dozen Turkeys. Everyone knows that about Scotland nine ninety ish. Ad Turkeys were like the plague. I don't even understand. Okay off the rails. Okay so you said before that you thought the guy that Goliath was talking to you is the king. Yeah find that. In fact he is not he is just the captain of the guards and his men. Don't fucking respect them. He walks in and they're like whisper in another breath. Like more like captain of the Gargoyles. Ufuk pieces shit or like. Hey guys come on. He seems like he gets along. Well the Gargoyles yeah. He does but more so than the others. I think he knows that there'd be fucked without Goliath being there and he says as much he goes up to the lady the castle and he's like. Hey I was wondering can we? Can we talk about this whole thing? You know we had a good battle and and I appreciate your congratulations. All of it's very nice but we would have been done for if not for cargo and she still pretty anti gargoyles. She calls him a monster. Can we play this clip real quick? She's very anti gargoyles. Without Goliath goes out defense would have proven useless. Please don't mention that monsters name in my presence. Liz Liz. Where does this lady get off calling them? Monsters calling them beasts that just save your Ass Lady. She's not nice. No show some fucking respect. But of course she's talking shit on them referring to them as a monster of course. Goliath and his crew have to walk in. Yeah he's angry. He's growly well. It's because they're using the M word. Yeah how dare you yeah? It's a very dramatic reveal and the show cuts to commercial but our commercial break was better. So we're GONNA keep going as it turns out Goliath and Lady mcharg. Because she doesn't have a name they come in. They're not normally welcome inside the castle but El Capitan invited them to be recognized for their bravery to get the medals around their necks like at the end of Star Wars. It and then everyone everyone in this room is just spouting off the inward. We will not use that word again okay. Everyone's mean everyone's being stalemated. Peace there unnatural and they're not raw. Hey those gargoyles were there before that fucking castle was telling me what's more natural. It's true I do not know the history of Gargoyles but I have to assume as much where the fuck do they come from? Hopefully the show explain it. Lady mcharg oil gets mad in my notes when Princess Piss pants start spouting off biblical nonsense about Goliath being a bully. Because you know we talk about how Goliath gargoyles kind of fought off. Everyone is just like in the Bible. Big Guy I gotta say. Princess Pistons is not wrong here because I'm a biblical scholar as everyone knows so. I'm sorry I was something funny so we all know. That like Goliath was the bad guy in that story. It's a little weird for L. Capi ton to bring that up but lady mcharg oil. She gets mad and dies Gerrad and she's about to rip everyone in this room. A new asshole Goliath walks right. He's like hey you know what it's not worth it piece. She's like hold me back and he's like what we're leaving. We're leaving everyone. Nobody likes us. Cargoes funds fine cleaner debts. Yeah so particpants pitch. The princess yelled at the captain about something or another. It's not really important. And the mega says mentioned who is a white haired guy that is just kind of off to the side who says he's spouts off some negative shit. Yeah when they walk in. We're in a hallway. Now where Goliath continues to be too cool for school yeah and Lady Mic Gargoyles decides to give us a history lesson by the way ladies. Gargoyles is your friend in high school. Who are leather jacket? And she was like skipping school and smoke cigarettes. And you're like I like knowing this person. In my case he was a wrestler. Who claimed to have sex a lot? And we're all like okay. Sure maybe but probably not to the clip. We are what we saw. Her opinion will not change that. Have you no pride? No sense of justice. We saved their lives and they repay us with contempt shoes. Goliath you deserve better than this. These cliffs for our home ages before they built their stone fortress they should bow to us is the nature of humankind to feel what they do not understand. Their ways are not our ways. We learned that she second in command to bed. She and Goliath are a little extra extra love Which I mean they actually build some pretty good chemistry between the two of them. Yeah and later on. We're like Oh what is happening when they're combative. But there's a lot of hate fucking going on later in the season. Yeah which I'm excited to get to that kind of like a Batman and cat woman a little bit where they're like. I love you but also I hate you or newer speaking my language. Yeah this scene INS with a slow pan to El Capitan. And he is wearing the uncomfortable. Look of a man that has definitely walked in on these two fucking the his memories he can't wipe he's probably mostly uncomfortable the fact that he enjoyed it. So Oh yeah I mean. He went back to his Hayfield Haystack of Hay and Let he had some. He had a one on one. We're going to move to the magazine's laboratory and this is kind of our our first real. Look at the Magus who was voiced by Jeff Bennett. Who is also the voice of Johnny Bravo? Did you know that Jim? It know that. He's hunched over a very large book flipping through the pages like a toddler pretending to. He's not looking for anything in particular. Like I totally know this story. I got it. I had a toddler at one point in my life. This is exactly what they do from there. We jumped to hey cons camp. And there's a mysteriously hooded person. Who are you reading from my notes? So you hate horses. I'm staunchly anti so. We see a mysterious hooded person who is clearly trying to not be seen on his very loud horse is hey cons camp. It's not the Megan. So we don't know mystery man is makes it seem like it is right so the mystery man gets to the camp. Hey Con is eighty loan to hold a Turkey. Lay Turkey legs. It's the only made available in Scotland the entire country is overrun with. Turkey's your seek the fall of gas vern of it POPs. A bargain can be made. I'm listening Liz. Did you know a wide open is a winged two-legged dragon with a barbed tail? I did not know that I thought it was weird. The castle was not named after a person of the lady or if she had a husband of the Lord show her father unless the only explanation be her name is lady white or possibly ragging lady. Princess Pants is lady wifey everyone I know I know. Dragons are a big part of Scottish folklore. But you like Wales. Their flag has a dragon on it. Or is it a wide vern? Maybe have a barbed tail. Sorry sorry Oliver Welch listeners of which there are at least a dozen yes. You're welcome unlike your Scandinavian Vikings. Yeah here Vikings I said at once. I'll say it again. We don't want you so the mystery man wants to take down castle. Why Vern Yeah? We don't know why because that is clearly where he came from moving back to castle white burn. Everything had been happening during the daytime. And now's leaves nighttime but I guess that just has to happen because the gargoyles are only active at night maybe literally. Nothing happened during the day back at the castle. Maybe that was just like the lowly humans cleaning up all the DEAD BODIES. They burn them all. Yeah yeah smells terrible. So the guardrails awake El Capitan and lady mic. Gargoyles wants to Goliath to go. Find the Vikings. Yeah this is the first time we actually learned that their vikings yeah. I just assumed that they were another Scottish clan. I did the same that too because they are always worrying and try to take over each other's land. I've seen braveheart. I know I like that. Also that you have quickly adopted my naming scheme here El Capitan Lady Magog Oil. Poudel easy to Say Lady mcgarvy. I keep waiting to say Lady Macbeth. Oh it's I you know it's not even where I came up with that. Totally Independent Great minds you know me. And I'll bill shaky anyway so they want to go take care of the rest of the Viking Sudden Kill Them. Yeah Goliath knows better. He doesn't want to leave the castle in protected and that makes sense because They were attacked a yesterday. Right they would regroup and re attack. Yeah but the captain's like you've gotta go. He said they'll be back. We gotTA NIP it in the bud and that makes sense so glide if he agrees but he says he's not taken everyone else he can scare them away he can get him to go back to Scandinavia. Need anyone that's pretty ballsy of Solo. It's not smart. But obviously lady MIC. Gargoyles doesn't like that. She has words to say and Goliaths is well. Let's just listen. Okay that's too dangerous for you. Let me come along. At least you and the others will stay with the castle. You Best Laura I leave. You wouldn't come on. No I cannot let you. I won't go alone remember. You will die a one now and forever and then mere seconds after saying that. He'll do it by himself. No big deal. He can handle it. He says I won't go alone twelve. He has to listen to His lady lover. You know what that's a fair point didn't consider before I mean I'm a married man and I know when my partner is right. Yeah and even if you don't necessarily think there right you know it's just not worth the fight you know what let's not bring up nasty stereotypes like that because I will win a fight with my wife every day of the week. A zero shocked by this. But also I know you called a war of attrition and she knows when to quit whereas I do not moving on and then it gets romance. Yeah he's like. Oh you're my my light. You're my love. You're the beacon an a stormy sea but I got a piece the fuck out and he turns around he walks away like God damn boss in love him. I hate to see them go go. That's not the saying I couldn't remember it so we're back in the courtyard. We have our goofy oils. Good luck playing catch with a ham. Yes our first view of a a meet other than Turkey. But it's not good enough to eat just good enough to play only Turkey. They will play with a ham though. This is where we learned that other than goliaths. None of these gargoyles have named set. Which like buddy. Don't you love your other gargle buddies like why? Why are they nameless? And why does he have a name? You wear clothes you understand kind of human concepts but speak English. You speak English. You've lost your Scottish accent. I have to assume that when they're first hatched they come up with a thick brogue. Yeah and No names they call each other friend. Oh shut up. Red Gargle get the the reason that we are having this discussion is that they're talking to little Tom. It's a boy. There was in the refugee clan. He's just hanging out and he's chilling they're talking and then his fucking Super Scottish. Mom ROLLS UP ON HIM. And she's like go away monsters. I know that you saved us all from being raped and killed last night. But you are bad. And we're all aghast at such an intense reaction little boy is like but they're my friends now and then the crowd gathers and they're throwing sticks man so lady Mark Gargoyles has zero patients for that. Bullshit Arenas surtees come save us. A she swoops down. All you are the beast you beast good wine reading and the gargoyles get all spooky. Glory is is you want us to be monsters and beasts and monsters and beasts in there. This is not helping the situation guts. Goliath shows up and he chastises all the Braga Oils. And He sends them down to the rookery. Liz I have a quick question. What's a Rookery bird-flu like when you have hawks and things like that isn't that where they then? Why does it under the castle where the eggs are all of the gargoyles colony rooks typically seen as a collection of nests collection of nests? Okay so it's like where a bunch of birds live but none of our gargoyles live underground. They're always perched up on the if you look in you watch the scene. There's a bunch of eggs in there. I think it's where the baby gargoyles are. Okay so down to the rookery this show is going to do us in into the rookery in lady mic Gargoyles. She's trying to defend him. You know it wasn't their fault. It was humans. They're just defending themselves and Goliath. He's not having he said it doesn't matter who was at fault the fighting between humans and Gargoyles. They can't happen Liz. I think it's time for another break when we return. We're heading to the scariest woods I've ever seen in my life will be right back. In Modern Day Bristol. Someone is copying one of the most infamous serial killers of all time. Jack The ripper. Only this time. The story is different. A woman survives and decides to get her revenge by taking the law into her own hands but in so doing she awakens at darkness deep insider if you like suspense thrillers and serial killers tune into Jane. The ripper and audio drama coming to Calamity Cast Dot Com Halloween Twenty nineteen and we are back in those scary woods. Goliaths ends up not going by himself. He brings Old Gargoyles Jerry. Please sorry Jerry Jerry close enough. They're on the hunt for. Hey Khan and his soldiers. They found some tracks that leap into the forest. So of course they follow this is just an establishing seen to show us the Goliath and Jerry are away from the castle. Yeah then we cut to the rookery. There's like at the end of this episode. The scenes like tighten up really fast. We start doing like Bam Bam Bam Bam whereas when we had that battle sequence. That was long. That was one long drawn out scenes so it feels like they're like Oh shit we're running out of time. We have a lot of points to hit so we moved to the rookery where the brogue oils are down and they're hanging and as we mentioned many times in our episode but this is the first time I noticed it in the show. They hatch from eggs so they're not mammals and we've already had this discussion and I know in. Perhaps we'll get there in one of our seventy eight episodes. Maybe we'll see some detailed anatomy. I know you would be into that. Just an indictment of Liz right there because they couldn't hear you shake your him all right so the fact. Gargle who I guess is just are comedic relief. He scoops some very nineties. Oh the fat ones the funny and I don't appreciate that. He just scoops something off the wall and he eats the fuck. He's hungry. Listen Ben like five minutes. He's only eaten thirty Turkey legs today. It's what you get. You should've eaten that ham plane with your food. And make a joke about him being hungry and Lino what he can't help it and then we get a quick cut to someone fucking with bow. Strings has nothing to do with anything else up until this point. Yeah and then we come back to the woods. So they're following the tracks and they assume they're coming up. Hey Cons men and it does Lucy somebody. Yeah and it's a small group but it's not the threat that they were hoping to find and take care of it's like it's a decoy. Yes and I'll God it's almost sunrise. Which means they have to find somewhere safe to turn to stone and Liz. Did you notice and I mentioned briefly the size of these fucking trees. How Tall Goliath glad towers over regular sized human? Yeah he's like what nine feet tall? Yeah they're flying through hundred foot tall tree. Liz You know again as resident expert on Scotland every entries is Scotland entirely made of force filled with one hundred two hundred foot tall trees. Yeah I mean that's what I thought because this cartoon is very accurate accurate. Okay so Goliath and Jerry. They find a nearby cliff where they're going to hunker down for sometime this. Doodoo do but they're a bit too late Very to stone. Did you notice how dramatic and cinematic pose? A Dome was very model. Were they hoping that if they growl loud enough that they could keep it from coming on? I don't know happens every day. We know when this is going to happen out so late. We knew this was going to happen and like did they wait so long to try to find shelter TAP Goliath. You should be better than the a watch. All Right. We go to castle and hey cons back baby. Because after his first mistake of tacking at nightfall he learned a thing or two smart guy. Yup Yup attacking at sunrise. We also see that they had snapped all the strings of the boat. Yeah all the bowmen that go to take aim at the oncoming siege force and this is when that previous little cut away make sense because whoever was fucking with the most rings we learned. He wasn't just I. Don't oiling them up. I don't know I'm I'm not a bowman. He was cutting them or at least weakening them because they all the bowman pullback and snap WOMP WOMP so they're lacking the support of the Gargoyles or lacking there Bo defense. They're fucked. They are fucked. I mean Hey Khan and his men make really short work of castle. Whatever and at this point and that's when we learn that that mysterious man was actually L. capita sole traders. The guy in the hood that went out to meet. Hey Con. That was not Megan which the episode wanted us to believe it was El Capitan with his allowed asshole. Some people no I am staunchly anti horse but for those of you that don't fuck horses. I hate them. They're dangerous. We should shoot them all into the sun. No horses left behind so many questions. Listen because we're talking about you know mid nineties. Tv Shirley remember the episode of Full House. Where one of the daughters gets kicked in the head by a horse wakes up fucking Amnesia because she was kicked in the face by a horse. I mean Yeah Okay. Yeah that was Michelle Horst damaged. Don't trust him okay so I don't like horses. Hey con is taken over Castle Liron and this is where as you mentioned. We learned the El Capitan. Who doesn't get a name was the trader. He gives a very vang explanation as to what he's doing now that I'm a great three. Why betray your own knocked my kind liz? What do you think he means when he says they're not my kind he's talking about the humans? No latest loyalty. Maybe as he racist and anti the refugees being there. Maybe he's not a Gar- Oil. He like he is a human. I don't know maybe he's I don't know I have to assume that this is why El Capitan wanted Goliath to send all the gargoyles. He said you take your gargoyles. Go Find Hey con. He wanted no gargoyles there. Yeah so I'm figuring that he has something against humans here and as we see he's like hey don't smash the gargoyles. Don't don't do that you don't need to do that. He's more loyal to the GARGOYLES. His people like he was trying to save them. Which is weird. Yeah so hey Khan. He's getting ready to recall the gargoyles with I think it's a Morningstar. I think that's the one we're not going to do research. There's no way to find out. He wrecks the entire clan. And it's really. It's tragic to see it happen. I actually completely forgot that like I remembered as as we watching this episode. The first time I was like I was shocked at how much I actually remembered all of it until that it was like. Oh my God I forgot that. They're the only gargoyles left because fucking El Capitan. Hated his human people so much that he had come in and he couldn't in the other gargoyles out and it's all his fucking fault L. casuality do it but luckily as we know that Goliath and Jerry are out there safe and we know because if we've seen the show that the guys down on the rookery say somehow lady Gargoyles also stayed safe where she wasn't this but she stayed save. Coli F assumes that she is amongst the rubble when he gets back. He is heartbroken. Here's the thing about the rubble. Okay all the smashed gargoyles. So Jerry and Goliath come back. And they're very sad to see all this smashed stone. Yes why is it not gargoyles meat? That's so gross. It's I don't disagree. Maybe once they smashed the magic is broken. I have to assume that you're right there but I like my disturbing just piles of garbage or Hinz. Just oh God but it's not it's just don't but obviously. Goliath is heartbroken bad and so he lets out his really intense roar. I believe how it goes right. Cre- accurate thank you and that's the end of the episode. I would like to take one more quick break. We'll get some tissue will collect ourselves. Wow you laughed at my sadness fats. Weird I guess. We'll come back and we'll finish her up Hey there listeners. Are you into Alpha male bad ass leading ladies and happily ever after US check out another great Calama cast podcast? Dick of the week where I chat with my other two co host but everything we love in sometimes hate about both writing and reading romance novels so grab a glass of wine get comfortable and let's get down and dirty about romance find on calamity cast dot com or wherever you find your podcast Lizama. God we are back to finish up the first episode. Ever of defenders are uncanny right. What did you think about the inaugural episode of Disney's fascinating first episode since the majority of it took place in Scotland and the majority of the television show itself to its place in modern New York? Yeah so like I feel like if you've never seen it before you'd be like what is this. What is happening so I think that's a really interesting way to start a show. I'm curious seems when they end up in New York because I really don't remember they do give you next time on. But I didn't really watch it because I didn't want to spoil myself. I WANNA I WANNA go for know. I watched the owner of the kid. He's accidentally poop yourself. I don't WanNa put myself and I know that if I watched you know. I don't WanNa make a mess of my pants because it was way up track right now. I didn't want to ruin it for me. I'm hoping that there's more of like the magical aspect because you know I know that there's the curse that a get turned to stone for a thousand years. I can't remember why when that comes supply. I guess that's probably the next episode. That would make the most sense. But I'm interested in the more magical aspects and I'm hoping we get some I'm also as I previously mentioned a few times really interested in their biology in their evolution. So I'm hoping that comes in as well and I don't remember it ever being addressed now but I also probably not something. I was thinking about all that much back in the day. Not Keenly aware of when you were five and I was nine I can in my head pretty much wrote Lake Gargoyles fan fake without knowing what fan club though. I hope that you are going to continue to do so without program. So is it safe to say that the show up your memory from this year? Yeah eight actually hold up pretty well like so far. I'm definitely thoroughly enjoyed it. I can't wait to get to the next episode since it's the first episode. It's not touching on the bits and pieces than I do remember but I enjoyed watching it especially enjoy taking notes every like twenty seconds like what the fuck is going on here. What are we talking about? How could this be because you know in my mind? The more you like something in the more you tend to pull it apart yet. It analyzed and so the fact that it took me over two hours to watch a twenty two minute cartoon says something about my love of Gargoyles. Do you think we needed the cold open in New York though? Do you think that that was necessary? You know why since they don't acknowledge it again and I don't remember when they finally do come back to it. I really don't think it was necessary except to hint. Oh this won't all be in nine hundred Scotland. Yeah that's a fair point. I guess it does kind of it. Lets the viewer know that this is our setting were showing you like second number one. Where in New York City? Yeah I'm excited to keep watching. I can't wait. You know what we'll do this again. We'll do this again. Well I really had to stop myself from since you know Disney automatically Starts playing the next episode very quickly had to like no no no all? 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Why ______ Lost Survivor 37 with David Bloomberg & Jessica Lewis | Season Preview

"If you loss survivor in, you're feeling down TV in Jessica. Bill Briggs down the rule sandwich show you. Zane you sound and gab bullying? This is why blank logs. Bob line. We need these. Hello and welcome to the special preview edition of why blank loss. I'm David Bloomberg and I'm obviously David joining me once again is my co host Goliath in her own. Right, Jessica Louis. Thank you so much thinking Goliath, although I'm pretty sure I'm David too. So let's face it the way these things are defined. It's it's kind of like, yeah, you, you know, I, I look back and I think, well, I'm obviously David because of the way I grew up in my father was employed for several unemployed for several years, and you know, I had to work to help him pay the bills and things like that. But on the other hand, well, now I'm a manager and I have thirty people working for me and kind kinda like, well, which is it because you look and you see one of the people on the goliaths. She grew up in much poorer circumstances than I did. But right now she's in charge of her own company basically, right? We're called her David, but he she's on the Goliath tribe, you know, and I using it's interesting because they the distinctions that were made about some of the people and why they were David's versus why they work lives ten me scratching my head. And then some of the things that Jeff gropes was saying was that people. Could blossom into Goliath, and I don't know. So maybe you and I started out as David's and we've blossomed into liable because my so my story is so similar to like working at age eleven. That's what I was doing. Put myself through college. My parents were poor dairy farmers, and we struggled all the way through and I kind of as Jeff prophesy claw my way out of it. But I don't know. I think it's quite fascinating though, but I do think there's some people that have been placed on tribes that I'm I'm scratching my head about, but they always are. That's true. That is true every year. There's someone where we're a little bit confused, but we'll get through that. We definitely well, right. Well, anyway, for newcomers to this podcast, welcome. That was an extended introduction there for those who have listened before. Welcome back. So just to bring new listeners up to speed, I wanna give quick summary and history of the podcast. Once the season begins will be here every week to discuss what each voted out player did right and wrong in terms of rules. I originally wrote back after the very first survivor season and have been updating ever since discussions about each player used to appear in my columns on the reality news online website, which I created and ran for a long time which I had to close down several years back. But the column was reborn as a podcast with rob sister Nino and me a couple years ago, and then we switch things up to bring Jessica on board a couple of seasons ago. So that is a brief history of y blank lost. And I was very, very shocked and grateful that you thought of me so, and I've enjoyed it ever since it's been amazing. It has. It has been amazing with you here so so. So before we start, Jessica was your summer Ben. What have you been up to other than watching survivor? South Africa, can I just tell you? I have been incredibly busy. It's been non stop. Usually summers are supposed to be filled with. I don't know, relax, -ation, beverages lane by the pool. I really didn't have any of that. It was. It's just been crazy busy. And now that school has started with the kids. It's like we are at all speed ahead. I feel like I'm on a little mouse wheel that just going, where's that a gerbil real. I don't even know one of those things that just goes around around around around you never stop. That's what my summer has been, and that's what my life just continues to be. So that's me nothing real exciting. I did go to hearts reality, which was great. That was super fun and got to meet a lot of great people raised money for a really wonderful cause, and I apologize to. Some fans out there that you know, maybe I post too many pictures about it. Well, that's good because there was there was there was some commentary on another podcast, which I can't complain. I love them both, but I just thought it was funny that, yes, I do post pictures as is everyone else who went out there also, let's face it. Anyone who follows you on Twitter wherever else should know you post pictures. I do because it's so much fun. This whole social media platform thing has been almost like an experiment for me because I never did it before I went on survivor and now I love it. So sorry if you don't like the photos, but I do enjoy the photos very much. We know so, and I'm getting you there. I am getting. I know. So listeners who follow me on Twitter, speaking of Twitter or who are in the arch patron, Facebook group, all already know how part of my summer went. And that was that I had a heart attack almost exactly three months ago before I even turned fifty. This is what the survivor offseason does to me the stress of what am I gonna do. There's no survivor not good if it causes that much stress for you. Yeah. Well, luckily there's international survivors so that you know. But you know, so I spent much of my summer recovering from that getting back to normal and finish my cardiac rehab program couple days ago, and I'm feeling good is a matter of fact, I'll even be traveling to New York for the know it alls live next week, and I'm so jealous. I want to be there and I, I don't see it happening just said, yeah, I have. I have a really horrific trial schedule up and coming. So I have multiple trials and multiple investigations that are just too too time consuming for me to really give up two days at work. And I saw them very sad about that. I tried. I looked at it. I was like, maybe, but that's not going to happen. I'm pretty sure I'm going to be on trial that week. So that's and just to be clear for people, you're not actually on trial. A prosecutor should I should guess clarify, I actually have to prosecute multiple cases. Yes. So the cases that I have been coming, so you know, I'm not in trouble. Thank goodness. But yes, thanks for the clarification because I think I'm, you know, some criminal. See red gone wild on that one. What did she do. Everyone's going to try to figure it out. Well, that's why I was busy. So there that's part of my, my life is very busy. 'cause my job is very busy. I love it, but super-busy. Well. While I'm there, I will think of you because I'll be wearing key shirts from you. And in fact, one thing that helped me feel better where some birthday presents I got from you including shirt that says, I may be wrong, but it's highly unlikely. I thought it was perfect. I'm so I showed it to several co workers and they said, oh, yes, she does. You. And I do hope that when you watch the show, you have your damn at all with you so you can angrily beat it up when things don't go your way. And when I'm right, those few times that I'm actually right, you can take it out on the Bill. So yes, that was another one of the items. And there were a couple of other things would fund things. And there was also a heart's reality program autographed by a huge number of reality show people. So thank you and everyone who helped you because it's really awesome. Yeah, and I was sad when I started to go through it and see who had been missed. Only thought there was a couple, and then I realized I don't know what was going on with the ghost island people. I think quite a few of them had walked away from their their table for a bit. But are you saying they ghosted apparently because I was like, wait, where's this person? Why didn't this person sign? But I'm glad that we got so many for you and that you enjoyed it. So, and that was that was actually errands idea. My husband thought of it and I thought that's a great. That's a great plan. So I'm glad it came together. We to me too. So thank you again. All right. All right. So. Today, we're going to talk about the players and make some predictions which you love to do, you know, as anyone expect for preview show, and I know that there's a lot of preview shows out there. So thank you to anyone who's already made it this far. So, but you know what's special about our show is we will also address how we think they will do with the rules, at least in some cases where we can figure that out and also discuss some tweaks that I've made to the rules for the season. Now before we get to that, I do wanna mention over the summer. There were two why blank one podcast covering new-zealand survivor and South African survivor. As I mentioned, those international survivors that kept me going during the during the off season and you Jessica were able to keep up with South Africa. So we did that one together and I had special guest Shannon gates on the New Zealand podcast with me. So I encourage everyone to watch those seasons if you haven't already and to listen to those podcasts if you have and listen to him, even if you haven't, who cares? If you're never gonna watch. We will actually have a couple of samples from the South African season in some of the new changes to the rules. So. Those will come up. I don't think they're particularly spoiler but don't be surprised when those are there. So we can start with those rule editions. Now anyone who would like to confine the full set of rules posted at rob has a website that com slash survivor rules. And right now is last season's version. I don't think we've had a chance to host the new version yet. We'll try to get that new version posted as soon as possible. Most of the additions don't really change the rules themselves, but they add some new specific examples, and we're not gonna worry about discussing those particular things here. Rather we'll focus on the things that are more substantive. And one I think you know does deserve mention is the very first one where I added a note to the first rule in that first rule tells players to scheme in plot. The note emphasizes once again, how important strategy is compared to actual survival elements. Now, this is should be no surprise to anyone. But last season Jeff, Probst talked about the reduced rations and it sounded like he was trying to put providers in a better position within the tribe and we kind of lamented that come on, you know, what do you do here? Jeff? But then we barely heard anything about it during the season. And of course strategy still ruled the day. Yeah. So if it's not going to matter in a season where they cut the food supplies that much, let's face it. It's not going to matter ever. Well. And how about just all the rewards where food is a so. Associated to it. I mean, I, that's I realized they've been doing that for a long time in the survivor world, but the very early seasons. I mean, I think the, I think, and you have to correct me if I'm wrong. But like one of the first times we actually saw food as an option as opposed to compete in the challenge was when it was the chocolate and peanut butter, you take off your clothes, we'll give you chocolate peanut butter whole thing. I think that's like the first time that was rob when you know season like the first time he was on. So I, I don't know if that's where it kind of came from. But from there it's it's grown exponentially where there's full meals being offered to people regularly as part of a reward. And so it's it's not just chocolate and peanut butter anymore. It's full burgers and drinks and fries, and and so you're being hungry is really quite limited unless you never win. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think it's. I don't think it's a huge. Issue anymore. Just really don't think there's, there's even if you don't win. They're still plenty of things to eat. I didn't win hardly anything out there, and I still felt great. So I, I think your body acclimates to it. Yes, somewhat. I think we've seen in in cases where it's particularly bad like the in in the triple h season where they were just kind of moping around like zombies. That was funny. That was quite funny. So it not that it can't negatively affect you? It certainly can. It all depends on how the game plays out, but it's it's not just don't feel like it's as much of an issue as it used to be in the earlier seasons. Yeah, definitely. I agree. So so anyway, that was just an addition that I made to the first rule there. The Senate rule which warns against scheming and plotting too much had a couple of the more substantive changes. I in the section dealing with the reasons for never letting your target ahead of time if your voting them out. There was already discussion about how the prevalence of idols a very good reason to avoid doing this. I added an example from South African survivor that shows just how important the blindside aspect can be. Because if things had gone differently, the whole season would have been turned upside down. And that was a situation where I think that was she was ridiculous for thinking that that was actually going to happen. That's what I. Well, that's true. You know, I mean, but you know, she tried and there are a lot of times when people will say, well, you know, we wanted them to feel okay, so we just let them know when it was going to happen. And in this case, that person had an idol unknown to anyone else and just would have been really bad for them. So again, another big reason not to later in the second rule. I pulled out a side note that had been in there and had been growing a little bit and put an expanded discussion of it at the end of the rule as a special corollary. And this is the warning that while players still have to keep their scheming secret, they need to avoid keeping it to secret or else. No one, we'll give them credit at the end of the game. At first we only had one or two examples of this, but now it seems to have grown like an epidemic to the point that I felt I needed to expand my discussion of it. We've seen it happen to Steven. That was the first, you know, obvious one, but more recently, Aubrey. Ryan, laurel, even Dominic plus even happened on South Africans survivor. Now we did absolutely see that in the South African survivor. And I think that that was that vote at the end was very good example of the jury. Looking to the two people sitting there and knowing a lot about one kind of thinking they know aloud about the other and the one that they kind of think they know a lot about not really building and adding to what they think they know about. It's the jury wants to have something to grab onto. And if you don't give them something to grab onto, they'll find something that the no about the person and use that as an excuse for their vote. So I do think that in that was a perfect example of someone who I think played the game exceptionally well. But unfortunately it wasn't visible to the people that were deciding her fate, and that's just so yeah, I, I think that was that was sad for her, but a good example of why this rule has expanded definitely. All right. So skipping ahead to the seventh role. So in other words, I didn't have a whole lot to add to the ones in the middle there. It discusses idols in advantages, and I added a paragraph about fake idols because as they proliferated players have gotten savvier about protecting them. So you can't just throw together a shell in a couple of pieces of string. Now, players expect parchment to go along with it. So you either need to have a real note or a good reason that you don't have a real note either way much like when you're bluffing at a poker table, you really need a story to sell it. You can't just, oh, look what I found. They're not gonna buy that. And I think the way that the game has developed, you have so many more super fans, and you could easily add to this rule even further that the theme of the actual season can affect whether or not you can use a fake idol. And Lee saw that with the ghost island where. Relics were coming back and old items were coming back and people's familiarity with those former idols. And those relics actually caused one of the fake idols that was made to not even be used. So it's it's become so significant in the game so much so that it can actually affect whether or not you can use them depending on the theme. And I don't think we'll see next to -sarily ghost island theme again. But people have become that savvy because they're paying attention that much and they're watching the show with that much involvement. I agree. And if we ever did have a ghost island two or something like it, then we would definitely about point need that extra section that you're talking about. There. I get a little added bonus. Maybe. Are finally in the pen expe- which discusses the jury phase of the game. I added a quote from a South African survivor player. John was talking to another player and trying to convince him away from his path of doing what he considered to be the quote, unquote honorable thing. And she pointed out to him beating the best doesn't mean you have to stand up against them at the end beating the best means you vote them out and they're on the jury. This is a great summary of what I've always said. You don't want to face off against a strong opponent at the end. You want to have gotten rid of them before that point. Yeah is then you can point at them when they're sitting in the jury and say, hey, I put you over there and get credit for it. And the other juries members will probably feel the same. You would hope anyway you on. That is true. You would hope it would definitely hope. Yeah. Those. So those are the major additions and changes with with those preliminaries done. I think it's time to start talking about the David versus Goliath contestants. I'm excited. All right. Well, we will begin with my. I mean, the David Drucker. I, I am frustrated because we talked about this at the end of the last season about how was David versus Goliath, and that you were really going to be the David, and I was going to be the Goliath, and I love so many of the David's. Let's good, David. Let's face it. David's are loveable they really are. They really are. So we'll we'll try to get through this and see if we can make it. But I, I do. There are alive silo too, but I just I, there's a spot in my heart for some of these David so much so. And we'll see. We'll see what happens. All right. Well, we will go in alphabetical order by first name for those of you playing along at home. That means. We will start with by who is twenty eight year old, m a fighter, and that fact, and just taking a look at her tells me that I don't think she'll be voted out right away. Due to any challenge problems because the tribal want strong women for the challenges. However, she just started watching the show and after binging succeess ins, she made the statement that nobody knows what makes a winner as if she suddenly an expert. Well, while by we are the experts here and we say that, yes, we do know what makes a winter. Yeah. Is it the or is it by? I thought she was killer bee. I thought that was her. Her MMA name was killer bee. I think you're right. I think you're right. So sorry, be. But b, I make sense to say by, but the only reason I believe it's be- besides, I think that's how it killer bee. That's what sticks out in my mind is her, her name was killer bee. So basically there are some hard to pronounce names and I managed screw up one hundred center. Listen, I've been there too. I did that for a whole episode. I think I Helen was Kalin remember that. We've been there we've been through so so sorry. So you know. Like I said, we do know what makes a winner. We do a y blank one podcast every season. So she's acting a little bit too much like an expert after this. Also, she said in her CBS bio being a fighter, a great strategist before fight. Besides the physical training, we watch and study film on our opponents to assess and strategize how to defeat them. Most of all I am Apfel and the thing is she won't have film or be able to study her opposition ahead of time. We'll have to do it all on the fly. So for her sake she will need to be as as she claims and then some. But I have to question her ability to properly assess for fellow players because when I heard her talking on, I one out about season thirty five. Well, I came to the same conclusion that rob did his Nicole's cast preview. She was watching a different show than I was. Yeah, because what she said about Ben doesn't match up some with Ben, but it doesn't match up with how Ben one. And you know, I don't know how she assesses the people around her if she couldn't see what was on. TV in front of her. Yeah. So on top all that type of strategy that's necessary fight is different from the type necessary on survivor? Yes. And the big difference in the big problem I think she's going to have is when she's fighting in her EMMY fights. She's fighting against people who are also training to fight in. She's going up against people in survivor who are actually like super fans who have studied the game, who know it inside and out there on her tribe, they're going to be going against her and she is going to be nowhere near. They are as far as preparation for this game, and that's where I really see her faulting faltering if you will because she is going up against some hard core competition that is way out of her league because you can't come into this game just starting to watch, you know, a month and a half ago and cramming in six seasons because you're going to be missing the the big picture and you're going to be missing all of the extra components because you're just watching the show. If you're trying to cram that many seasons in such a small amount of time, you're not learning, you're not digesting. You're not really going through all of the nuances of survivor. You're just watching show. I think she's going to be in in a tough tough spot. I agree. And on top of that, I didn't exactly get the warm fuzzies from her on. I one out now I didn't either. So between that and her being a newbie who I believe in. She knows more than she actually does. I see her as a pre merger boot. Yeah, I think she might even be worse place than that while. Yeah. All right. Well, we have not doing predictions yet, right? We're not under the tribe. That's fine. All right. Next up is Carl, who is a forty one year old truck driver and his CBS bio portrays him somewhat as a man of few words his. But his answer to the question of why he thinks he'll survive survivor is I feel that I can outwit outlast and play everyone else. So a little light on the details there. Carl, I love Carl. So love, Carl. I do. Why could you do it? Because I can do it. I know. But you know what? Here's a thing about Carl. Carl is he is a man of few words, but the words that he uses are enjoyable. So like he made me laugh out loud multiple times listening to I one out and he just because he's he's just so honest, he'll just tell, but it's honesty and a good way. It's not honesty like I'm better than you. He realizes where he comes from. He knows that he's worked hard to get there. He appreciates everything he has, but he's anybody also loves survivor. So he's, he's been a fan. He's watched it. He understands it and Jeff described him as a sleeper to win because he's not going to get anyone's way. And that's what I love about Karl. He is going to be the likable, nice guy. That's just Carl. I mean, he told he told wiggle, like right off the bat. Wiggle, asked him how he was doing and he's like, I'm fixing to play f- survivor. What do you. Think. Like, how can you not love this guy? Because he just, I see him. I see him doing exceptionally well, especially because of the people that are on the tribe with him. I see some really good relationships for him. Yeah. I mean, he does seem very down to earth seems go along, get along and on top of all that he seems to know that you have to throw your morals out the window, which is obviously important in this game. So so yeah, I, you know, I think that I think he could do well also, love hen. Carl's? One of my, he's one of my faves. So moving on, we have Christian who is a thirty two year old robotic scientists and in his CBS bio, he said, I also want to make my Mark on this game and help innovate the way survivor is strategically played. I would certainly be interested to see that happen and I admire the idea. But the question is whether he can actually make it happen. As a nerd and an r. j. p. fan, he's automatically an early favourite re and his bio suggests he will be flexible and willing to jump alliances. But one thing worries me and that's his idea to make a Mark on the game because I just have a feeling that when we talk about why he lost, it'll be because he seemed imploded too much. And how about the fact that he's Cochran two point? Oh, like he or Stephen fish back two point. Oh, I mean, I like him. Don't get me wrong. I really do like him, but he even sounds just like Cochran just reading his borrow his bio. I actually here Cochran voice in my head which is weird because he'd speaks just like him and he he looks much like him and he's already been even pointed. That's been pointed out. Other people who have seen him at pawn Rosa that he's just like he's very reminiscent of Cochran. So. I do believe it was Pat that pointed out the fact that he scares the hell out of him because he's like Cochran. And so people might actually look at him as an early on threat because I feel like the threat levels are shifting a lot. And now if they see you as not only a superfan but Cochran like player your going to be in trouble. And so I feel like he's really going to have to overcome that idea that he could play just like Cochran and it sounds like that's what he wants to do. Yeah. I mean, the thing is, I guess it depends if the super fans have a majority, yes. Then you know the people who want to target them won't be able to do anything about it. So matter of whether they will all get together or whether they'll all worry about each other and target each other. I hope they get together that would be much more fun. Fun. All right. Next up, Dave is a thirty year old social media manager and self described blurred or black nerd. So we have another nerd right again, and that makes me want to root for him, but listening to him on first one out again causes me worry. In this case, I, I just feel like he's over excited and over thinking a bit, which could be in part because he was a late addition and he hasn't had as much downtime in prep time as everyone else. So it was like it's almost like his body's still full of adrenaline. Yeah. And you know what? This is my thought on that I'm gonna pull Jeff pros because I love it. When Jeff says this about people, he has. He'll say that someone is either going to go deep. They're going to go out early, which is basically what other option. Is there a middle right. But, but I feel like his late addition to this game is going to be one of those two things. It's either going to cause him to go out early or it's going to cause them to go really deep because he hasn't had all of that prep time and time to really think about stuff and maybe with his personality that will work out exceptionally well that he hasn't really had all this time to over think everything because he was just kind of thrust into it, and it will help him get along further in the game. But he's did say he's an Radic person. So I don't know if that's going to negatively affect his game or help him. So as he's an interesting one, like I'm I'm intrigued because he seems very likeable and also very outgoing. So and also he's he's an unknown because you came in so late, so they didn't have a chance to really study him like they might have studied others. Well, yeah, and that that is the part. The other part that worries me is he could be an easy target. If the David tribe goes to a couple of quick fiber councils, because, hey, there's that guy. We don't know. We didn't see him in casting. We haven't made any. I contact with him. He hasn't been around easy to pick off. No one will be upset about that because you give them a reason. And that's what I said earlier. If the jury has a reason and this point at this point in time, it would just be the tribe any reason that they can grab onto to vote someone out. And that could be his reason that he's just a late edition. Yeah. So all right. Next up is Elizabeth a thirty one year old kitchen worker with peeves that might get her in trouble on survivors since she says she hates lazy people in stupid people, both of whom she is likely to encounter on the show. I love this woman to seize fantastic. She says she plans to develop relationships with unlikely people and help bring cultures and ages together, which suggests that she intends to be a social player. And you know, she added that. She loved strategy and doesn't mind cutting ties if benefits her, of course, all of this easier said than done. But yeah, I think that she's one of the people that that Probst said would either be gone right away or be there for a long time. It just depends on how people receive her. Yeah, but I think she's in a good place with the people that she's on the tribe with. If you look at attentional relationships, she and Carl are both from Texas Air. Both. They got their cowboy hats. They're both Cowboys. Their faith is important to them. I know Pat is also seems like faith is very important to him. I feel like she's surrounded by people that could help her get further because there's some baseline for a relationship there for a friendship. Plus she also wants to work with see now I'm going to learn, is that who say her name? Larisa. Larysa she wanted to work with her. So who knows? Maybe that relationship will develop, but she is, I think she's fantastic. Any woman who can give earth and five months from giving birth find herself on an island and survivor and be like, hell. EM doing this C-section. Yes, he's a beast. I love it like she's I'm an her husband is amazing. I love him to even know him, but I just think that she's, she's got a great something about her energy, and she's clearly very hard working and she'd even describes herself as a little crazy. So maybe that'll be a good thing for her out there because she's going to be willing to take things on. I know there's just something about her that that I really, I initially was hesitant when I first saw who she was. I was like, I don't know about that, but then the more I read about her and the more I heard her speak. I think she might. I think she's got a good chance to do very well. So. Yeah, I don't really have much ad. So next up is Aubrey. I mean, sorry. Gabby Gabby now see is not Hannah. All right. Listen, I like Hannah. You know, she was on my season. Gabby is not Hannah. I everyone who's compared to Hannah. I will tell you what does not hand it's because CBS or survivor is trying to make her look like that. They're playing up that she has these things -iety. Hannah did. Now. She is not Hannah was very quirky and she was very, she did have anxiety. I don't. Gabby does not in one way at all. Remind me of Hannah other than she has Brown early hair glasses. That's the extent of the the, the Hannah feel like it from Gabby. Alright. Well, you would know better. So anyway, Gabby is a twenty five year old technical writer who says her pet peeves are people who are wrong about facts, but think they are right and people who lack self awareness. And once again, she's going to encounter both on survivor. Now, Gabby isn't are HP fan, which is obviously good. But she says in her bio human psychology and social dynamics fascinate me, and I'm excited to insert myself into the craziest experiment out there, and that's great. But the thing is being fascinated by those things doesn't mean that a given person is actually good at them. We'll have to wait and see whether or not Gabby is. But she also said I have knowledge of the game, but I'm social Nuff to hide it and not be a complete dork. Just based on what we've already seen in heard the part about hiding being dork. I'm not sure that's true, and that's no offense. You know, this is me talking here so. But I also don't think she should necessarily try to hide whatever dorky nece she has because trying to be something you're not makes everything else more difficult in this game. Yes, that's true. And she hurt Honda Rosa or formats, and I'm using air quotes when I say that might put her in a bad place at the start just because most of the people around her thought she was really quiet, kind of kept yourself read a lot in her own world. She wasn't really making a whole lot of contact with people. And I mean she's studying them as she said, but it it. It's one of those situations where you need to try to make some type of connection with people at that point in time in the game because the game has started, even though you're not on the island yet and she didn't necessarily do that, but I'm hoping that her demure attitude will actually help her form relationships because she's. Not gonna come on too strong with people, and she will actually take time to to get to know them. She did say that she can be very disarming and that she thinks people will tell her a lot about themselves because of her personality, and maybe that'll work out for her and she'll end up warming some good bonds, but it's. She was clearly seen as someone who is very quiet in Ponderosa. Yeah, that was one thing I noticed too. You know, Jeff pro said he thinks Gaby is excellent socially, but on first one out there was already some talk about her being. Well, I one out. You know. And also with what rob said, when he talked about whether conditions in his preview podcast and how some of the smaller women could suffer the most. Yeah, that's true. That is definitely true. So so speaking of smaller women who could suffer the most, we move onto Jessica nineteen year old who who's bio says, she's a waitress, but she's nineteen. So she could still be anything that's trail point. But she plans to lie about her age, which I think is a mistake at this point because to me, she looked so obviously young and the players just saw a player who lied about his age. And I'd say she'll get busted as soon as alcohol is provided as a reward, but I'm, I'm not sure she'll make it that far well, and you know, here's the thing that I think is going to end up really affecting her is. I understand this whole concept of David versus Goliath, but here you have David who is only nineteen. So it's your past experiences are really what make you who you are when you're playing this game, and she's already come from. Come from a life. That's not like the goliaths where she's been exposed to a whole lot provided a whole lot where she's had this incredible education and and this introduction to the world. You know, she's not a world traveler, like one of the Goliath says, and I feel like that's going to work against her that much more in this season because it's supposed to be about where you come from and she's only nineteen. So how much exposure has she really had? I mean, yes, we've all been through a lot by the time we're nineteen, but she, I don't know if she's really had enough time to take that David philosophy if you will and turn it into who she is now where Pat is someone who's who's actually taken that, that mantra, I had to work hard for everything. And so this is where I am right now and it's because I earned it. She's still building that she's still trying to earn it if that makes sense. But I feel like that's going to work against her. It does actually similar to something I had not. Because her goal is to play like Sarah and game changers, which is an admirable idea, but not for a nineteen year old. Yeah, for one thing, Sarah had a first season in which she was able to establish or trustworthiness before she used it in her second season. And I mean, let's face it. I don't think as many people would have trusted her if that was her first season. Yeah. Yeah. But so there's that, plus there's all of Sarah's life experiences that Jessica doesn't have. Jessica thing. She can be flexible enough to make it through the game. But I, I just don't think it'll happen as much as I would love to see a Dave versus Jessica final. That would be credible, wouldn't it? Could you imagine. Yeah, I don't think we're gonna get there either. No, no. All right. Jumping from there. We have Lisa and that was the name I studied up on how to pronounce. So she is a thirty six year old airline agent and she's been a fan since the beginning and understands that the game is mostly social in strategic, not physical. This is one of the people Jeff said they'll either be out earlier stay for a long time. My first inclination was early, but I've already mentioned a few others who are likely early, so it's hard to pin her as one also unless they just go on a horrible losing streak and there's no tribal swap. Yeah, but too often, those who are obviously different are targeted. So I just hope she can overcome that. The the other thing she needs to overcome is that she apparently has a defensive attitude, and so if she doesn't do well in challenges, you don't wanna be too defensive about it and that could really come into play. Yeah. The other thing too. She was talking about how she doesn't. She doesn't like stress or pressure which you play survivor. That's going to be like twenty four, seven. You're gonna feel stress and pressure. So if you don't like it, I hope he can deal with it because you're going to be and. And she also talked about how she wouldn't have a game mind all of the time which again, that's not going to cut it either. If you're not thinking about the game, four, seven, then you're going to miss something. Trust me, you're gonna miss something and and that's not going to vote well. And so I struggle with where she's going to fall because she might end up doing well because she will align herself with someone who is thinking about the game, twenty four, seven. And it's, I mean, someone like Elizabeth wants to work with her that might be here. Saving grace is I'm she ends up forging a relationship with a person who is thinking about the game and is thinking she someone that I can bring along with me because she will vote with me and we'll have a relationship, and I kind of use her for an extra vote. So maybe that'll be where she falls. All right. So our next contestant is Nick a twenty seven year old public defender who will be lying and not telling people he's a lawyer show you don't know anything about that. Do you? I know it's so funny. I do think it's it's it's hysterical because no one ever wants to say their lawyer. I didn't say Kristen, say it and it just as such a negative connotation with people, I hear it regardless of, I mean, he's a public funder, so he means he works for he fights for people. That's a good thing. But just by saying your lawyer, they're going to make a sumptious about you. You're smart, you're well educated, your strategic, your analytical, whatever you want, jury. Yeah. I mean, all of these things that are not going to vote well in the game of survivors. So who does to him? I hope he can pull it off and keep that under wraps. Yeah, yeah. And he seems to have a good story planned out and you know, he also believes he is these survivor total package because he's likable. He's a social guy and he's also stronger and smarter than he looks and considers himself a strategy expert in superfan. Any also happens to be another Archie patron. So I, I find it hard to argue against anything. He said, plus, Jeff, Probst called him quirky and likeable. Now, one worry I had is that Nick has been featured so prominently in the survivor ads, and why would they do that if he's the winner, but then I thought about it and realized there's no way and the couple of other people who actually know who the winner is, would let anyone in advertising. No, either way they leak that information that's show and I don't know if you noticed this and maybe I'm just crazy and looking at things too hard, but on the intro when they show his second picture this, he not look. Emaciated. Notice that part I did. I was like, wait what that could be the same guy that Kim, but his face looks much thinner. So maybe I'm looking at it too closely, but man, he looks. He looks much much thinner well. Well, you know, I, I don't know. I, we'll just we'll just have to see if he continues to be prominently featured throughout the season, but I think he will go a long way. I think he's got a good shot to, and I in this is going to sound terrible. But I do think he's going to sound terrible, but I think he's going to be able to pull off the the lie about being a lawyer pretty well because of the theme of the show. If you know the David's who are not that you can't. I mean, I still still think I'm David and I'm a lawyer, but it's from where you come from and what got you here. And I thought Jeff Probst. Theory of him being so complicated as David because he had a chance to become Goliath and decided to go back and take care of the David's he's taking care of his family and not trying to become some corporate lawyer and make it a lot of money. He's being he's a public funder. And so it's this weird kind of convoluted cycle that he's he's found himself in and I. So I think it's going to be very easy for him to lie about being a lawyer because he's on the David tribe. Yeah, yeah. So we'll just have to see with him. And that brings us to the final David. That is path a forty year, old maintenance manager and like Karl manner. Few words in his CBS bio which may be the opposite of him in person because he seems to have a big personality. And you know, I think that that personality will potentially be his biggest weakness. And Jeff Probst says, he's not really socially adept. Yeah, he reminds me just from listening to I one out he reminds me very much of all for my season where he was the one in Ponderosa that everybody took notice of he was talking everybody. He was very outgoing was was talking when he was supposed to be talking and, and those are things that people all took note of. And unfortunately, if you're someone who's not following the rule. Rules when you're supposed to be following the rules when it's pretty clear, you're suppose we following the rules, how is that going to develop into a survivor strategy and into your game? And and that's what that's what happened with me. All I saw that with all where I didn't know where he was coming from and what he was going to end up doing because of his his, his very boisterous personality. And he would say things that kind of made me scratch my head. I feel like pats going to suffer that same fate where he isn't going to build keep it under wraps. And, and I think that is going to be huge detriment his game. The other thing is relating to that. He said on, I one out something think I understood this right. He said something like he does things his way because that's what his dad did. Yeah. And, and that sounds absolutely inflexible, and obviously that's a bad trait to have on survivor. But with all that said, I think at least for the first few votes, they're going to keep him because it was physical strength and, and that's where I'm kind of going back and forth that that might work to his advantage because of his physical strength. And I also think that he and Carl might end up hitting it off because they're very, their family is very important to them. The relationships they have with their children and their spouses is very important. And so I think that he might find some closeness to people like Carl and that will keep him around. But I also don't know Carl's a really put up with it too long. See, that's what I was thinking. I mean, Carl's get along type of guy. I think he'll get along to the point. He's got to get rid of this guy, you know? Yeah. Now I do have to mention one thing in Pat CBS bio that had me scratching my head. He said my mental physical and emotional skills are unmatched. Yeah, I don't know. Sorry, I, I just don't think that's true. You know, I mean, all of them unmatched really seems unlikely. Well, and I was very excited when I heard that that was going to be on the show because he's like in my, he's basically my neighbor. I mean, like in my stomping ground, if you will ease lives in the same county as I do in here in New York state. So have you ever bumped into him or seen him in court or now? I've never actually bumped into him. I did. I did reach out just to say like, hey, if you need anything but didn't go anywhere. So I mean it just because I want him to know Kayla in, you know what? There's a support group if you need it and the fact that he's so close. So it trust me. I'm not spoiled. I got nothing like I literally got nothing but. But no, I thought that was that was really cool and he was the inspiration for the team. So that's kinda neat to know that it depends on which time Jeff Probst is talking because one time he said Pat. Sometimes he said, Carl. So did he really? Yes, yes, I was excited for pets, so who knows? It could have been both of them. Yeah, that's true. That is true, but yes. So pets pets kind of one of those. Also. I think he's a bit of an anomaly when it comes to even though he is loud and boisterous, I think the people upon rows are still of like trying to figure him out telling you've tattoos. People pay attention to those tattoos and they're going to try to know what they mean. And it's sounds like they figured it out all wrong this far on Pat. So we'll see. All right. So we've gone through everyone on the David tribe and for my first set of predictions here, I would say it wouldn't surprise me if I vote comes down to a choice of Gabby or Jessica, what do you think? No, I'm not. Now I think it's going to be. I think it's going to be be Jessica honestly. And I think it's more likely be than Jessica. I'm just thinking of that. They'll look at them and see that be is the stronger of the women. And that's true. But I also feel like be could end up being a little too much too soon because she does sound like she has that way about her where someone like Jessica. Pat talked about treating her like a daughter, and I feel like Jessica would really appreciate that if someone kind of took her under her wing and you've got very strong personalities and someone like Elizabeth and I don't know if Elizabeth is going to jive well with be, I could be wrong. But I, there's just this thing I'm feeling I'm feeling be might be in a bed in a bad spot. All right. Well, we will see about the. Okay. Before we get to the goliaths I just want to remind everyone that you're buying anything on Amazon, make sure to head over to the Amazon page at w. w. that Amazon dot com slash shop slash a. p. you can find specific items related to the show and our Ajay, or you can click from that page to do any other Amazon shopping. Whenever I shop on Amazon, I always stop there. I doesn't cost anything additional and it supports our JP just yesterday, I ordered some healthy snacks like almonds and dried fruit and sweet potato chips and things. Chips? No. No. Sorry. And it will chips in general are not exactly on the menu anymore. I'm so sorry. I. And went through that link even though it had nothing to do with our achieve p. So everyone else can't as well. That's WWW dot Amazon dot com. Slash shop slash RH AP. Now it's time to talk about the Goliath tribe we once again, we'll go in alphabetical order by first name and we'll start with one whose name came up a bit in the preseason. I guess anyone who's listening if you're really, really spoiler reverse and you haven't heard anything on social media, you might wanna skip a couple minutes ahead, but considering that our podcast normally talks about what happens, I'm Twitter and social media anyway. I don't think it's a big deal. I don't think it's a big spoiler it's been out there. It was in the news. It was on Zee. It was discussed in the patron groups. This is not much of a spoiler but anyway, so we will begin with Alec I Alec Malino is a twenty four year old bartender from California, and he describes himself as charismatic canadensis and humorous and thinks that he will survive because he is his unstoppable. Social game because he is a bartender, which I thought was quite interesting. So yeah, you've already talked a lot about Alec and I am frustrated. I'm already frustrated because of Alex as a former survivor player, someone who managed to keep their then eight year old son from spill the beans about mom being on the show, and this guy who's twenty four can't even do it. Like I just really. I mean, you're making it more difficult for everybody down the pike wants play this game. You really are like, I don't know why he did it. I think it's ridiculous and I, I, it frustrates me. It frustrates me for people who wanna play this game because it really is so scary to sign those agreements and agree to a potential five million dollar lawsuit. If you say anything not supposed to, and this guy is literally telling CBS excuse my language. But I mean you saw the picture set. Yeah, you basically look at this. So, yeah, you know, I mean on his, I find funny on his CBS bio one of his hobbies, he says, making travel videos. Maybe there's one piece of travel he shouldn't have spread around the internet there. Yeah, yeah. This is a big spoiler for anyone who's listening because implicates another one of the players. So it's just it's it's so frustrating because for someone like like you or like me, who's trying to figure out this season and how relationships are going to blossom and hookah potentially be the first one voted out and who could potentially win when you see somebody do what he did and the other person who was involved in it as well. It just throws everything off because now you're looking at it going well, if he had won, he certainly wouldn't have done that. I don't think he hasn't. Now. He's not being invited to the finale. So you you're going to not invite the winner to the finale. I mean, unless is really sticking it to him. I mean, it's it's really, it's really so the aggravating. So Alec thanks for like spoiling it for everybody who's trying to figure these things out its end just and making it difficult for everybody down the road. I mean, Jeff Probst said, like you mentioned, Alex very charismatic and expected him to be good at the social game. And normally these days, I would say it would be hard to think that the surfer guy type. We'll be out early as they've just done well recently. But considering what he did, it appears that he shall we say not very bright. And with that in mind, I, I got a predict you won't even make the merge he can. I mean, it's you. I just don't see how anyone would have that attitude if they because you don't. You just don't know after you make the merge, you have no idea what the game is going to entail as far as any possibilities. I mean, they'd tell you that you might get a monetary award, you might not ju don't know, and that's the thing that CVS is very good at you. Seriously have no idea what you could or could not get and taking chance like that. Just I don't think anyone would unless they were one of the first few like out of the game to to have that response something something terrible had to have happened when he was out on that island to to do something like that, and just throw it aside and act like he doesn't care. I mean, I guess there's the potential that we could all be surprised. But your scenario sounds the most likely. Yeah, we'll see. So sorry to anyone who only skipped two minutes longer than three minutes there. That's him. Yeah. So. All right. So we're going to talk about Allison, right? She would be next Alison abled if I'm saying her last name correctly, but it's bother why bother with last name. He's gonna skip an AKA. Janet, as far as I'm concerned, anyone who watches the good, the good place. Just we'll watch the good place. Google the good place, Janet, and it's Alison, and I'm not the only one. That's all this other people in Twitter that were saying the same thing. So kudos to everyone who thought that that was great. She is a twenty eight year old physician from Kansas and her inspiration is your parents. She also describes herself as dynamic engaging in witty, and she thinks that earning trust is a strength. She was also a college athletes played soccer and hobbies include getting to the bottom of bottomless basket of bread sticks olive garden. So. I can't do that anymore. But you know, I used to be right there with her a good damn breadsticks. So, yeah, so that's listen. Yeah. And the other thing I'm right there with Iran is or pet peeve of slow drivers and left pain lane. 'cause I got flipped off by some jerk just a couple of days ago because he was going slow in the left lane past him on the right. You don't want me to do it move or, hey, and you know what? I didn't even realize she's got issues with drivers, so does Alec and sodas CARA. So maybe they can bond over bad drivers. That's right. That's right. But the other thing that's interesting Alison is a podcast listener. So I do think that generally speaks to someone who was good strategically. Yeah, you know. And maybe it's because I, I feel good for her in these areas, but I think she'll do pretty well. I'd say that she at least makes the jury, and then I think she'll make final six or better. Oh, you think so? I think she's definitely going to be making the jury. She's the only concern I have for her is that she might come across as a little too confident which could then be seen as a potential threat to nibble that might not be so confident. But then again, she's with a group of Goliath SU. There might be a significant number of people that have that ability to come across as very confident, so it might not be a problem at all. It might actually work her benefit. Yeah, the one thing that worries me if she does get the final six or better is that she said on, I went out, she will keep her strategy hidden and then reveal all and claim her moves at the end. And considering the special corollary, I just added to rule to this makes me very worried for her. She manages to make final three. Yeah. Now I agree, but it'll be unto watch Janet. Yes, yes. She looks just like you will confuse me so much. If you start calling, I won't call her Jonah. I will call her. But yeah. And and how about the fact that like her claim to fame as she won her fifth grade spelling? That was pretty funny unsidering. Yeah, everything she's accomplished like that's our claim to fame good for you. I like that. All right. So next we're talking about Angelina who is twenty eight and she is from Nevada. She's a financial consultant. She scribes herself as intuitive persuasive and loving or hobbies include traveling the world. I had already referenced that earlier and she doesn't like it when people don't like dogs, so good on her as well. She is naturally competitive. She likes to test herself and they source of her strength is other military families. So that's a little bit of of her background. Yeah, I don't feel I'm not clicking with her the same way I was for Allison, and that goes for both her bio and her on. I one out because she talked up her cue and her e cue, which is motion quotient, and she's a friend of our friend. Adam Klein is, but even so I don't feel like she gets it. And because your season was the first one that she watched. Yep. So she hasn't had a lot of exposure to the game with with all that said, I, I think she'll find a way to go decently far because I, I don't know. I think there's going to be a certain scrappy nece about her. So I don't get scrappy. Okay. Well, I get scrappy and I get jury, but not much more than that. Well, her biggest problem I think is she does come across very high strong. I mean, did you hear her first one out it was like. It was a, it was a lot like really quickly, and she was described by leave. Other people use the term high maintenance who's complaining about her hair, and there was some other issues that people had noticed she. Oh, how people at Ponderosa? Like the staff would like slink away from her because she always had a request like she was one of those that if you have a question coming asking, she always had a question, and even Jeff said that she is someone who's high maintenance who doesn't even recognize that she's high maintenance, and that could be a huge problem because she could just rub people around way if that's how she acts when she's out there, especially if the weather is bad and it's cold and it's horrible. I see that as being a problem for her. Yeah, I don't know. Logically, I think everything you're saying is right. I just there was something about her that I just felt that it could be totally wrong. Well, I think her saving grace could be Alison because Allison is all about black widow brigade and bringing back that powerful woman core group and Angeline is one of the ones that she reference. And so maybe that's going to be saving grace is that Allison is willing to work with her because she wants to further women in the game. But who knows? I, I'm worried for her. I'm worried for Angelina. All right. I have to do the next one. And you have to do the hot cop. It's the hot Cup, and I see I'm using paper. I'm not. I'm not like you were like, I have to flip you have everything laid out perfectly. I have post it notes and whatnot. Anyway. All right. So, oh, wait, that's the wrong one. I gotta find how who am I? Dan see my my post. It notes are not working. Here we go. Dan is a twenty seven year old swat officer from Florida is personal claim to fame is making the swat team, and he describes himself well as the hot cop. Other people described him as and his inspiration. I thought this is a great story has hero is his stepfather. It's a really beautiful story. If you didn't read it, read it because it just shows how significant step parents can be in someone's life. He can't stand when people are lazy. He says, you should go out and get what you want and don't complain about it and do nothing expect it to happen. I also hate when people cut me off. I'm talking please let me finish what I have to say. It may be important. So that was pretty interesting as well. But. I've got some people like that. That work who are just drives me crazy when they do that, and there are some repeat offenders at work and I'll just sit there and stare at them. I usually usually they don't even realize they just keep right on going. And I was just like, okay, so yeah. So anyway, yeah, the hot cop has apparently listened to some are while he was priming or survivor. But once again, we have a situation of someone cramming and binging, and you know, as we have talked about already, I'm not sure that's enough to really understand the game. Also I rolled at the first reason he gave in his bio for why he's going to win. He said, I believe that I could be the winner for multiple reasons. I have a strong desire to win. I always want to win it. Absolutely. Everything I do well, that obviously separates him from everyone else say because nobody wants to win, right? No one else has the desire to win. So, yeah, the I roll. No, he's on. The cover of a book is called the cop book now, but it's like a love novel in love novel. I swear to God. He's on the cover of some like book, like looking longingly into the eyes of another woman. The desire to win her parent? Yes. Now I joke, but I do think his muscles will come in handy, so he really won't have to worry about playing too much until it gets close to the merge. And then I think he'll likely be emerge issue boot. And I say merge because these as strategic players have been anticipating the merge earlier and earlier, so it could even come few votes before the actual merge. Yeah. No, I agree. I think that's probably where he's gonna fall. So. All right. Well, that's all I have to say about Mr. hot cop, right. Moving onto Jeremy. Jeremy is forty years old. He's from South Carolina, and he is another attorney. His personal claim to fame which is impressive passed the bar, New York, New jersey end Georgia on the first try, and they basically put all of those tests within days of each other. So that's a whole lot of testing real quick. So who does to you? His pet peeves are lateness a logical nece and entitlement. And I think my favorite thing about him what he said when he was asking or was asked what his inspiration was. He said, I think I inspire myself. I was great good. And he did say that he's going to do well in this game because of his profession. And in order to understand someone, you have to have a genuine interest in them, and he has the ability to forge those relationships with people from what he's done through his work. So I thought that was that was pretty good too. So I enjoy Jeremy quite a bit. I really think he's going to be on to watch me too. You know, he's a longtime fan. He says, in his bio, they things is honesty and humor can take him for as long as he makes a strong partnership. But he's also cutting and pro described him as. Shoot. Jeremy thinks he can read people well and gain their trust. Frankly, if I were going to pick a Goliath to win, I'd pick Jeremy. And I've already picked him as one of the five players on my team in the survivor draft. I'm in with some poker players. I think he has real potential to go far in the game. Yeah, and I think that because I can't remember if he talked about whether or not he would tell people what he does. No, he's not. He's going to be talking about. I can't remember what it is exactly, but you won't be talking about the fact he's an attorney. And again, I think I think his personality will allow him to avoid that as well because he not that attorneys campy fun. We absolutely can be, but I just feel like he has the perception of him Ponderosa. He was wearing like short shorts and like he was really kind of like goofy and like seemed like fun and jovial. So I think he'll be able to pull it off. I, I do think that he'll be able to avoid that being an issue and people won't know until. The game is done. Yeah, me too. But onto John. Oh my goodness. Here comes Johnny ready for this. Everyone. John is thirty eight years old. He's a pro wrestler from Los Angeles, and he is otherwise known as the mayor of slam town, Johnny. Nitro John Morrison, Johnny moon, do Johnny impact in the shaman of sexy. So oh, I can't forget the best one, though. Wednesday night the light, which is perfect. Considering survivors going to be on Wednesday. Do think that we're going to see a lot from him as inspiration is his father who was also a lawyer and his daily life consists of physical training, building relationships and positioning himself favorably, the wrestling world, and he thinks that he will build carry that over into the game of survivor. And I think he's going to be a fun one to watch. I really think he's going to be obviously a beast out there be seen the guy. I think he's gonna do exceptionally well at the beginning and challenges. But once they hit merge, he better hope. He's got some very strong relationships formed because he will be short threat in a lot of physical challenges. You know, I mean, he does appear to know the game, which is certainly good. But I don't think that will help save him because I think like you said, he's a prototypical merge issue boot again. No one is going to want to keep him around too long except maybe as a shield for another strong player. But even then I don't think it will last more than a couple of oats past emerge and probably less. He did talk about Natalie and wanting to create a relationship with her and got to hope that happens because that will be an incredible duo right there. I think if it's Natalie and the shaman of sexy. So much fun to watch. I hope it happens. Yeah, yeah, it will. It'll just just don't think he'll be on for more than or than half. That's. Is he's one of my favorites. You know, the six pack doesn't hurt either. So. Okay. I'm just saying it's just one more thing. All right. So moving on now to Hera who is thirty years old from San Diego, California, she is a realtor. Her personal claim to fame is making charger. Girls. She was rookie of the year MVP in two thousand fourteen and captain for two years. She describes herself as energetic, persistent and passionate or mother is her hero always beer hero. And she also doesn't like drivers who use their brakes on necessarily. So we have another person with issues regarding driving, and I don't know she describes herself as a chameleon savvy, adapt even savage because she's going to be cut throat. But I have some other things to say about her that are not in her bio which we've already kind of touched on. Let me just step in. It's interesting that one of her pet peeves is oblivious. People. And yet she was part of the same social media incident with Alec that we already mentioned the girl. What are you doing. I'm sorry, I shouldn't yell, but that's it's another one of these. Like, what are you thinking like. It's so aggravating. So I just I can't. I just don't see her doing that. Well, because why would you put yourself? I guess we should have warned people to skip two minutes head on this one. Sorry, spoiler alert big time spoiler but again, it was all over the place. TMZ was reporting on it, and there was her face in that picture and not only in that picture, but in videos. I mean, it wasn't just one thing was multiple things, and there was a message being sent with it with the language that was used. It was like neither one of them cared now. She, I don't think from what I've seen has been. She's not in as much trouble as Alec is, but still she clearly has a relationship with him was created on the plane on the way home. I don't think so. I mean, I feel like this was something that developed much sooner and I just. I don't know. It's frustrating to me because she just wrecked along with Alec the ability to really assess like each of these people and and how they're going to play. You know, there's if you want another area to be frustrated with her about in answer to the question of what previous player she's like harder for answer was I would have a positive attitude and make connections like figgy except I'd avoid getting into a showman's at all costs. Now let's just ignore the avoid getting into a show Mance part because maybe she didn't on the show, who knows? But you know, rob wondered in his preview just what kind of connections figgy made other than the showman's I. My recollection was she was not great in that regard. So I looked back at my notes from the wife, biggie, lost podcast. I found that my memory was right. I had talked about how she didn't have a great social game didn't get along with Michaela. Zeke. Dick said figgy was causing all the consternation in the first vote didn't get along with Hannah because she needed so much attention. And I ended the fifth rule for her by noting thinking not only segregated herself off with the showman's, but she also pushed others away with her behavior overall, NADA great social game. So I'm not sure exactly what is shooting for here. Obviously, you were there, you know, and just to add, I wasn't going to go on a figgy tangent. 'cause I certainly can. But figgy actually told rob sesser Nino himself that when he asked her about me, she said, I never liked her anyway. It was like, okay, I guess biggie doesn't like me. I didn't really feel that on the island necessarily, but but yeah, I mean, she clearly struggled. I mean, she was going to be the first one voted off. On her tribe, but for Michelle saving her and getting everyone kind of rounding people up and realizing that they shouldn't vague because she was in there little core group. So, yeah, I mean, it certainly. She wasn't great at creating relationships at all when she was out there except the one and that was Taylor and that was it. So the using figgy as an example, I underlined it. I wasn't going to mention it, but you went there so lies. I think that's a bad idea. Idea, but you know CARA ended her bio by saying my social game would be impressive. Plus I could win over the jury with game tactics and strategy, some pretty high hopes. And I know that that Jeff pro said character would be favorite to win, but even putting everything, everything that we know about social media side, I still don't see it. In fact, I don't think she'll make the merge. And all of that was said before I was even reminded that she was with Alec in those pictures and I gotta stop. I say, end up spending too much time. I own head trying to figure out what CBS is doing and how they're handling or they are. I just have to not do that. Just kind of see where how it plays out. I guess. So we can move on from from CARA after be ready. Okay. Mic we're gonna talk about Mike white. Mike white is age forty? Seven from San Diego, California, or I'm sorry. Now he's in Los Angeles, but he was from San Diego and he's a filmmaker. Most people or a lot of people would probably know him. He describes himself as which I think is funny, three things to describe yourself three words. He says, curious, funny, dynamic, imaginative, but he used like a little. I don't know thing between curious and funny to try to get one word. But he, let's see his inspiration is George Plumpton who's a writer. Reasonings playing the game. I always wanted to play any has an absurd. He loves the absurd challenge of it all and. Let's see what else. I run a really. I mean, he doesn't say much about himself, but I but he's clearly a very successful individual inspiring visit it schoolhouse rock in the other things that he is. He is emoji movie. Oh no, actually forget the emoji riffing I've heard. I did not see the emoji movie, but neither did I. Yeah, so clearly he's he's done a lot of incredible things. And I, I think he'll be interesting. He'll be interesting to watch because he seems so unexpected, if that makes sense. Yeah. Well, I don't think he's going to be interesting to watch for long because I'm going to break with the format here. I'm not going to beat around the Bush. I think he'll be the first one voted out the live. Really? Yeah. He's clearly on the weaker side which may come into play. He's a celebrity and we know that many celebrities haven't exactly done very well. He, he even sucked. At two truths and a lie with Josh on first one out. Because when he told the lie, he said, I can actually tap dance adding in the word actually is like the clearest indicator that you're lying. Yeah, it was an immediate flag and I knew that one was the life. And if you can't even do to troops in a line how you're gonna lie to other people on fiber. And then finally, while his, he says in his bio that he has the desire to win, I'm not sure that's true. Or at least it didn't sound very true and I won out where he talked about the experience in the story. So. No, he's going to be around for very long. Yeah, and that's true because he's, he seems so. I like he's he's so good at what he does right now and the world that he is created and where he finds himself that this is one of those even if he were to be the first one voted out. I feel like he would just be like, that's okay. Exactly because this is just one more thing for him as opposed to where some people like this is what they've been dreaming about. Their whole life is to get on survivor and applied multiple times. I know he's a fan. I know he's spoken to Jeff, and and he knows the game, but it's a different kind of of desire. I think it's just it's just something for him to do really like, I've done all this now. Let's do this. So it's a little more home. Right? Exactly. Well, I won out sorry. Mike white. All right. Now we are going to move onto Natalia and she is twenty five from California. She is an industrial engineer. She describes herself as fun, vibrant, bold, but also very confrontational. And she likes to be in charge. She doesn't get offended easily. So that might be beneficial for her out there. She has some serious issues with not brushing teeth, which that's going to be a problem. I thought it was interesting when she talked about her pet peeves. I also do not like when people stand too close to me in lines and people who tap their feet loudly. I can feel the table moving because of your foot. And there's a problem and I put myself back on the island when I read this and how we all had to huddle very close together when we were sleeping in shelter, that was not meant for ten people and how Sunday had basically like some type of like restless leg syndrome. If you will. And her leg would follow over all the time and she would wake us up. Almost became funny because we all kind of expected it, but this is what I was thinking about that, like these are part of your pet peeves girl. You're going to be in for it when you're out there because you were going to be on top of each other and very, very close together, and you will have some very dirty teeth. It ready for those sticks because it's the only thing that's going to work. I gotta tell you, I read her CBS bio just didn't get a lot out of it. You know, I don't have that much to say about her despite the fact that she is a fan and I'd like to root for the engineer, but I'm just not feeling it. And she also said she can be bossy and annoying, neither of which are good things on survivor. It just wouldn't surprise me if she goes pre marriage. Yeah, and that's honestly, I was having a hard time separating her from Angelina. Like in my head, I was like, wait, what? Which one is who, again, the two of them, I feel like perhaps I'll say the same thing that instead of Angelina maybe Alison would be the saving grace because of the lack widow brigade. But I, yeah, I feel like she's, I think she's going to be in. It's going to be an uphill battle for her. I just don't see her making it very far. Now that's an Italian right now we have Natalie, yes, who is fifty six years old and she lives in California. She is a publishing CEO. The three words that she is described herself is competitive decisive and persistent, her pet peas include people who are negative people who talk too much and listen to little and can't bust degrade. I'm not really sure what that is. But she does think that she's going to do well because she's very analytical, logical, healthy, eating, strategic, and can read people and also. She's a twice cancer survivor which she is not going to be revealing to anyone. And she plans online about her age says, she's going to be thirty five, and I think she could pull it off. She looks really damn good and yes, so that's her. But she also has some concerns about being that older black woman who is not physically fit some of the other women on the tribe. So she's very aware of what she's walking into and what she brings to the table as being a potential I, which I think speaks very highly of the fact that she's very well versed in this game. I, I really want Natalie to do well me. I liked that she considers herself logical, strategic and calculating. I like that. She's older than me. I like the people are comparing her to Sirri. Yes, while she compares herself to Kim spread Lynn, though both of those are really high bars. And like you said that she recognizes that she could be the first one out or at least targeted. And she's going to work to avoid it now. Unfortunately, she's right that she could easily be the first one out, but now this is where this is where the comparison comes in. I said, Mike is going to be the first one out and he's going to be whatever she's gonna fight. Yeah, I think if it comes down to a situation of one versus the other, she's going to push and he is not and she'll stick around. That's I think that's a possible outcome. I, it's absolutely like perfect. I think she will not go down without a fight. I mean, look at where she's come from him. She is someone who came from. She did diggers out of. LA. Yeah. Earlier when I was saying this is someone who could easily have been on the David. I mean, this woman she has worked so hard her whole life and has been through so much and now finds herself here. The last thing she's going to do is let them send her home. I, I mean, she, she has a plan going into this game, and I think we're going to see that come to fruition. I'm very excited to watch her. I am hoping that she does exceptionally well because I really, she's one of my favorites. I love her. I think she's extremely impressive. Extremely impressive. And I do love that. She's fifty six years old and they put her on the show. Thank you. CBS. I agree. I will say, I think she'll fight doesn't mean she won't be the second one out. So the first one out, but if she makes it pass those first couple votes, I think she may be in it for the long haul. Yes, I completely agree if she's able to hang in there and make it through a little wish. Yeah, I see her going once the merge hits and she's still around no one is going to see her as a physical threat. And I think she's going to be able to work a good social game and she could just maneuver herself through. I see her going extremely far if she's able to get past those initial votes. All right. So that is it for the goliaths. I've already called my shot in that. I think Mike will be the first one out of this tribe. What about you? See? That's so interesting because I thought. Honestly, I feel like Angelina and Attala or in the most trouble, but I can see Mike being a first because of his. You've just you've made me think, see, David, you're right. You've made me think because he is so ho. How about the whole thing? I don't think he'll fight very hard, whereas I feel like Angelina an Italian might actually step up and actually try to fight hard, but I think Natalie is going to want Mike to stick around because Mike's an older guy as well, and we'll help keep some of the pressure off of her. You know, she's not. Natalie is not going to want to be going up against these young vivacious women. She's gonna want them to go home. And so I think Natalie's focus is going to be someone like an Angelina or Natalia, and if John and Natalie can work together, I, I Don, I feel like it could be an Angelina or on Italian going home. All right. All right. So we've gone through the tribes and we've gone through our predictions about who is likely outburst from each of them now it's time for a winner pick and yeah, I know. Well, I'll start. Okay. 'cause I'm always a sucker for a super fan and there are several of those season. And as I mentioned, we were discussing Jeremy. If I were going to pick a life, it would be him. But I have to pick a David. There are a few David's who really seem like they can take it all the way. But twenty eighteen has really been the year of the are AP patron. So I'm gonna picnic, I'm gonna see if we can really. I'm gonna see if we can finally have a lawyer win survivor, and you know, have a have a patron winner and. We'll go from there now. I will say, Nick. Sorry, I couldn't draft you in my own in my own survivor draft. Do you were taking and but I'll still root for you because I am. I'm gonna pick you. I like it. I like that. I was not expecting that. Now, let me ask you this. You think I was going to pick. I didn't really know because I spent so much time thinking about who I was gonna pick, but Nick was Nick. I had kind of middle of the pack. That's where I thought Nick was was going to end up so, but but for I think it's a good. I think it's a good pick. I like it. I think it's good. You're Jeremy. One didn't surprise me though. I think that if you were that one makes perfect sense because he was one of my top faiths and I struggled with this because you weren't, you wanted to David. So I really have to have a glass even though I love Carl, and I think Carl is amazing. I wanna pick Carl because he's so he's just so great. I just really love Carl and Brett Brett picked Carl good jab Brett because yeah, I just love Karl, but I'm gonna go with Goliath just to kind of, you know, will keep the theme going. So in my looking at the goliaths I had my favorites, Jeremy is right up there as a favorite, and Natalie is right up. There's favorite, and I really, really, really, I just love Natalie so much. I really want her to win. I really do. Oh, this is so hard. I put a little star next Atalie's name because I'm like, just go with your gut girl and just pick Natalie. I, you know what I'm doing it. I'm just going to pick Natalie because why the hell not since I can't pick Carl, I'm going to pick. All right. Well, we will see, I know. Okay. As we are about to wrap up, I do want to remind everyone about the RHA patron program. The seems to be an appropriate time. Since I mentioned this is the year of the patron. You can head over to rob has a website that com slash patron to help support all of the Archie podcasts and take a look. The various patriot levels find out what kinds of perks you can get. One I personally think is the most important and the most fun is that you can join the patron Facebook groups. You know, to be part of the conversations among the people you can talk to are now several survivor players. Because like I said, you're the patron. Now I can't guarantee that joining and becoming a patron will mean that you will get on survivor, but it can't hurt, right. You know what I mean? So so also in case you're not trying to get on the show you can find out in advance. 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We are also on the reality TV wrap up speed, and between those two places, you will find great RJ e-content like, know it alls wiggle room, the BNB much more. So he sides talking to us in the patron. Facebook group people can also follow a some Twitter. Jessica is at Jessica Lewis eighty nine. I am at the David Bloomberg. That's right. Both of us to see the whole conversation throughout the week. And as we as we wrap up thanks to Scott saint-pierre who does the editing on all the white blank lost podcasts. Thanks as always to will from for the theme song. And thank you Jessica for overcoming your dread of making predictions already kicking myself like, oh no, no, but see, here's the thing, and thank you David for letting me take part in this because this has been, like I said, an incredible experience. You make me think outside the box and I really try to put all these pieces together. But yeah, I just I, I'm going with my gut and I won't even mention. I might have asked my magic eight ball. So just say, no. But you did mention it. So you can't mention. All right. I did ask my magic able, but yeah, no, I mean, I'm excited for the season. I think it's gonna be fun to watch and hell I've done so bad the past couple of years, these predictions, whatever, you know, I'll I'll take a Mike white attitude and just like big, it'll be a good story. But I do have some very deep seeded like love for a lot of these layers. So I'm excited to see how they're going to do out there, and I can't wait to watch. Same here. Same here. So. We will be back here in a week and we will talk about why the first player lost will be Mike will be someone other than we know you'll just have to join us then. So until then goodbye. Server in your feeling. Saving Jessica around. They'll break down the rule sandwich show you Zane yourselves got voted. This is why blank. Giving a beach close enough. 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