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The Kist & Solak Show #35: Golden Tate Emergency Show!

Bleeding Green Nation

30:50 min | 2 years ago

The Kist & Solak Show #35: Golden Tate Emergency Show!

"They. Hi, this is Jim chica- our podcast step over will be ballers podcasts that work for all of your Sixers needs. Says game breakdowns with a course in headband and more subscribed. Liberty Bowers podcasts heathen, I tune Stitcher sparked by or ever you get your favorite podcasts. And check out the step over a podcast about Sixers basketball. Mostly. Michael kissed Benjamin. So it's the Kistin Solex show presented by as and bleeding green nation. You are flying high on the kissed and Solex show episode thirty five SP nation bleeding green nation. Trade deadline craziness. I am your post Michael kiss joining these Benjamin. So like band. Let's get right into it. The eagles the whole ride the whole reason we're here. The eagles sent a third round pick to acquire Detroit Lions wide receiver golden Tate, your immediate reaction. Go. Good exciting. Offense needed another receiving weapon. Wide receiver. Nelson aglow really hasn't been that guy that we hoped he had been and so far this season. And golden Tate isn't excellent receiving option. Golden is a slot machine. One of the original slot machines, incredibly quick receiver gray body controls yet. Good hands across the melon is a great yak receiver. A he makes a lot of sense in an offense. That does a lot of high volume quick throws which Philadelphia's been doing a line. Recent weeks makes. Lot of sense as safety blanket style of receiver. Just a guy you can kind of feed the rock too. And he can rack up a lot of receptions. Golden is in the Jarvis Landry Miami mold as far as like how he's deployed what his talent. What is what is strengths are? But he is a better player than Jarvis Landry. So I think it's quite exciting. I will say my, you know, once you get a little bit deeper into it. There's a little bit of China will but of its luster it's exciting. Just from a personnel standpoint. You got better today. But this this'll sound stupid. This is very much a move. Where though whenever you evaluated trade. You have to evaluate a trade nine terms of the thing you traded for the player, you you received. But in terms of contracts in future decisions and who's gonna move one. Now that complex can be traded. Which is you know, a thing that only developed a year or so ago, that's really huge. You got to consider that this golden Tate trade only make sense if very clear plan in place for both from an Xs and os standpoint because now you have a lot of receiving weapons who are good across the short intermediate area. And you're still lacking a deep. Threat maybe and for a personnel standpoint. You've now got out Sean Jeffrey, Nelson, golden Tate. Mike Wallis, MAC hall and Sheldon Gibson all the building Jordan Mathews four of them aren't on contract next year. Whatever like Mike Wallace's in Agla got his fifth year option next year nine and a half million non-guaranteed golden Tate's not sign next year. Jay Matt's not sign next year. You gotta figure out what the right move is with those players. And so would be the tricky nonsense. That'll be that'll when you need to have a good plan in place and at the end of the day, we should trust that how we in Doug do. And that's why they made this move, which is definitely an aggressive move. There's no denying that. But this move all new work. If you execute the full plan around it it's not just like a goal. Not immediately makes the eagles better. It's golden say properly deployed and properly brought into the cap situation for the team definitely isn't improvement. So let's talk about how this trade came about word was that the lions were not making the calls in regard to golden Tate. But they were the ones. Receiving offers and did not really expect to make a trade. So they also didn't expect to resign him because he is on a contract year. I don't think they believe that they can win this year which made this pill easier to swallow for them. And what they were asking for was the third rounder expect to get it. They end up getting that. So that's a win for them. If that's the case, and I stated it correctly. Plus, you think about this? He's also going to reconsider going back to Detroit at the end of the year, which would be like a huge score for them. If they deal for third for this year when they're not winning and they get them right back. So that's an interesting aspect side note of it. But let's mind my notes on goal on golden Tate four consecutive years over ninety catches three to last for years over one thousand yards. He played the Cowboys in week four eight receptions for one hundred thirty two yards and two touchdowns. So adding a cowboy killer in an obviously extreme extremely small sample size. But I don't care is. Obviously a good thing. But also three out of the last four years. He led all wide receivers in yards after catch most yards advocates in the NFL two thousand fourteen. Here's a key one for me second most third down receptions with one hundred and twenty four since two thousand and fourteen. So what does guy brings and you mentioned the lack of a deep threat. I think that was going to be the case anyway, C C anyone out there other than you know, obviously making a move for to Sean Jackson, apparently, Sean Jackson and has been told that he is going to stay in Tampa Bay. I didn't see the chance of them adding a real field stretcher in that regard. What it does for me is the fact that now you have a guy who's very dependable in the short to intermediate area and all the stuff that we were trying to do with Nelson aga- Lord that lowered his his average catch yardage. His average catch yardage is going to now. Go to golden Tate who you can use on bubble screens. You can use them on those jet sweeps and things of that nature. You can use them in a lot of different ways in that short to intermediate area. And then what that does for Nelson. Let's him run more routes to the intermediate deep areas to the field which could add some explosiveness to this team in only that golden Tate, and we mentioned the yak yards. But he does that at a much higher level than anyone on this team right now and what's going to help this offense. You're talking about a quarterback that operating behind offense of line that is beat up and has struggled at times to protect Carson Wentz making life easier for him by adding somebody you can dump the ball of quick to and expect more of those yards after catch from golden Tate than you could anyone else on this roster to me as a positive thing. Obviously there the long term situations that we also have to consider like you said I do trust how to handle that and have a plan. But when you look at what they still have in regard to draft capital for next year. They have a first round pick. They have two seconds. They have to force based on the protected compensatory picks. They have a fifth to six and seven. So they aren't necessarily hurting for drug capital. And just a quick note. We are recording this right now. It's three fifty. We are keeping. Can I on the time line to Clinton Dix? Just went to the Redskins. Oh, wow. See that's what I'm saying news is flying around. And ha ha Clinton Dix was a guy that I was actually interested in for the eagles to add some depth to that secondary. Also, real quick before we talk a little bit more about the Rams are trading. Two thousand nineteen third round pick in two thousand twenty fifth round pick to the Jaguars for defensive end Dante Fowler. So that was reported by Adam Schefter. So that happened as well. The Rams are really really going in on adding town this year, they need some of that pass rush on the edge to go along with those great interior players. They have been further thoughts on the Tate trade. What does that do for this offense schematically, what should it do in your eyes? How are you deploying golden Tate, and how does that affect the deployment of the other receiving options on this team? Yes. So let's focus on what we've got for weeks nine through seventeen. Well, we tend by week weeks ten through seventeen of the regular season. And then of course, you know. The playoff weeks. Eagles will be playing it. We'll talk about what the Xs and os looks like and that will kind of transition more into the long term stuff about the deal. So you brought up excellent points next gen stats, which since two thousand and six teen golden Tate is the league leader in categories of totally act like you identified, but also on expected yak, plus minus in terms of what would that metric is gonna detail? Is that golden Tate's gaining a lot of. Yeah. Yes. But a lot of that is because he gets targets that are intended to create yards after the catch. He's getting mesh crossers. You know what? I mean. He's getting bubble screens plays where most players are accumulating at least some yards after the catch. But because Gordon is first with ex yak expected yak plus minus with plus two ninety six over this time, which is plus one point three per outrun. A means that and just and just to add to that real quick Nelson Adler last year was at point sixties at point three this year. So he hasn't been as Nimick after. The catch was never near what golden Tate is. After the catch. Go had been what that means is that golden Tate is producing the most extra yards after the catch the most irregular player created yards after catch. It's not a result of scheme. So really we're talking about a guy who over the past three seasons. Twenty sixteen twenty seventeen to eighteen has been the best player to get the ball in his hands with an opportunity to run and Philadelphia's offense is predicated on that idea. Right. Like, we all love to make fun of Zacher. It's because Akers can't break a tackle. Will the reason we noticed that is because Philadelphia's running so many crossers? Right. And you're always getting the ball kind of in these mesh ideas, and when you're sitting in between the zones and you're having opportunities to continue running down the field. Eagles love to pass into the middle of the field. That's what golden Tate brings the most exciting. It's the fact that probably with the ball his hands. He will be the most electric receiver for the tight end or wide receiver. Will probably be the most dynamic pass catcher. Once he gets the ball in his hands. So he's going to get a high target share? This probably not gonna be deep down the field, but he's getting a high target. And it's something important to note, you out the fact that Nelson galore will now likely be freed up to do more downfield stuff because he'll be spending less time being the little bubble screen option. At the end of our PEOs are being a little jet motion guy. Right. Like, they John J Carter putting him in motion, you know, to let aggregate down the field. Well, now, we have Tate and Agla which which bounces things out more and to quantify that and give it more context. Nelson. Adler is a dot or his average depth of target compared to last year is down two point four yards per right horgavitt. So that means that he's getting targeted at much lower levels at the field than he was last year. This gives them the opportunity to get back to that dot from from from the previous year and make more dynamic inches down the field now, and thank you so much for having these numbers ready. This is very convenient. 'cause I did go eight numbers. Right. So I agree with you. In terms of aglow is gonna get more opportunities down the field. I think the other person is gonna get more opportunities down the field is Sean Jeffrey, and I think that's a really important one. I think that's a key one. And here's why Philadelphia very very clearly has the personnel to stretch the ever living daylights out of your defense from a horizontal perspective. I talk about horizontal stretches, right? If they go either eleven personnel, which I and they're gonna go quite a lot of eleven personnel now with Agar Tate and L, Sean all rostered, if they go eleven or twelve they have the opportunity to go empty on you, and then the opportunity to go condensed on you, both aga- Lor and gold and Tate are great blockers out of the slot. In terms of running games and seal off crack back blocks trap locks ever both them can execute those quite well. So they can really spread you out with those guys and Carson has velocity to hit all the tight windows on the short areas, even to the boundary alshon. It's fantastic on these slant routes. Obviously with the bubble screens with the low smoke routes, and then golden Tate, his great pave it route smokeout pirate. Route whatever the heck you want. All these little timing routes, these multi break routes shakes and bakes you you know, you're at your head up on him five yards. And he just leaves you in the dust. That's a lot of Tate's strength. So the horizontal stretch is very real in. Philadelphia gets a ton of man coverage on the outside while they're just going to expose that. Right. Like thing about third and five when the eagles see they have man coverage without Sean Jeffrey backside of they just throwing the slant like they will just eat alive. One on one coverage in space for as long as you give it to them like Doug Peterson scenario, comfortable doing that. What then becomes the question? What if teams really come down into the box and safeties really get aggressive coming down hill. This is where I think you're going to see opportunities for Sean Jeffrey going down the field in one on one scenario to just get more of those deep balls that he reels in so very well. And he's an excellent catcher along the sidelines. Very acrobatic alpha in the air. That's where you're really gonna see and you're gonna feed your deep throws. That's going to be a primary target. I think on. A lot of schemed plays. Right. Where you're like looking for deep shots. Yeah. Make aga- Lord. You know, the post Agla deep crosser. He's great runners explosive in Spacey's difficult to cover. You can do it with golden Tate to leave underneath you have versatility there. But when it comes to Carson deciding to take the deep shot on a play Jeffries going to be your guy who's running a lot of your deep routes, and now, you know with golden taymor is the security blanket. Oh, it's fourth in eight you know, or third and really should say fourth maybe not, but it's one of those money downs. And it's like an intermediate distance in all they usually had L Sean at like ten yard our that twelve yard comeback. Right. That's another situation where gold Tate is very very effective again quick separator, very consistent hands really good catcher in in tough situations. Great hedges through contact always has been, you know, really just tough grabs. So I think golden and Adler together give you more of that consistent presence, those quick, man. Beaters in the short intermediate areas on those money downs, which allows you to just let. L Sean run down the field more frequently just take man coverage in go. And then Carson wants to take the shining and take the shot, obviously, don't wanna run alshon into the ground. You don't wanna burn them out in and run them too much. So you're going to get like I said those designed plays where you get Adler crossing deep go to take crossing deep, but I'm not fearful of the deep passing game. Not getting a boost with golden tape present. You know what I mean? Like you can't yes. Go on his better underneath than he is deep. But you can't run all five of your your receivers underneath you know, what I mean? You're gonna have to move guys deep and Philadelphia has players like alshon Jeffery who can be very successful deep Zakar. It's can be very successful deep the player. I am concerned about in terms of how his role will shift is Akers because Goldens accurate, operate very similar areas of the field in terms of intermediate and sitting zones and so on and so forth on so earth might not see the insane. You know, record setting for tight ends target share. He seen this year, which is fine. You know, he doesn't need to set the record for the single season receptions for tight ends. We're allowed to get somebody else the ball. He is on pace for one hundred twenty one catches this year. The record is at one ten from Jason Witten set in two thousand twelve he is also within striking distance at the two thousand eleven record set by rob gronkowski. I know this because I have an article about Zachary strapping on bleeding green nation today's and that's why I had those stats on him. But like like you mentioned with with Tate, I stopped to Bryce Rossler who has covered the lions for a while. He now works for sports info solutions, but he knows this lives team. And I trust his evaluations. He's a scout. For them argue this. This is his quote, why said give me the elevator pitch on golden Tate. Like right after the trade happen. So this is what he had to say quote, arguably the best yak receiver in the league, primarily wins on crossers drag slant screens at cetera in the short intermediate area, but has shown ability to win downfield and isn't limited in that regard played primarily as a lot which is true about seventy to eighty percent in the past couple of years. He has functioned out of the slot. But has shown the. Ability to play outside to has extra value as a gadget player who can be used on jet sweeps. And even as a running back has struggled with drops a little bit this year, and I looked into that does have six drops, which is a eleven point one percent drop rate typically that type for him so expect that to regress back down. It's never been a major issue for him throughout his career. So you're looking at a guy that you can use a lot of ways and isn't limited in a lot of ways either. We call him, you know, sorts of intermediate threat, but he can also threatened down the field as well. Right. So let's look I think actually one final point on Xs and os never ever call a running play ever again, not even once on accident. Just and here's my somebody asks immediate reaction. What are you gonna take brings? I think you with guy like golden Tate and Golic, Nelson galore. I so so you're, you know, you're executing RPO, and there's always going to be a read side of the field when you have RPO's, right? Which is to say the ball is snapped a. The option hand the ball off. So I have to turn. And look a certain way. I'm in the shotgun to turn the backs to my rights on look into the right? That means, you know, an traditional RPO sense of post RPO, those receivers to the right are going to be my active receivers, that's the read side and the defense recognized as the read side, and they'll bring extra defenders into the box on the read side to try to take away the RPO game against Philadelphia. That's you saw Carolina do a lot of and Philadelphia actually exposed that piece of video remission. Go read. It was great. Anyway, this it was well when you have golden Tate and Nelson Adler and Sean Jeffrey three receivers who are really quite quite quite good immediately. After the snap gray instant separate have been saying. Well, now, I can I can say all right. I'm running a RPO Golic inside zone. And I have a little glance slant behind it on the read side. Well, that's Adler and the slot. Golden taes on the backside. He's on the left hand size. Not I read side, I can still tag him a five yard out tag them a little smokeout. Right. And now got a package. Play package flames. I've got one play going on over here to the right? But also it's packaged with another play over here to the left has gone five yard. And if I got up to the line, I'm course on looking at the defense from the shotgun. And I've got off coverage over there. You know, what I might forego this entire RPO look over here and just the package play to the left. So what what do we have? Now, we have if you want to adjust your defense to the read side to side, the back is a line to try to take the RPO and Philadelphia has enough man separators receiver and tight end that they can still package a play on the backside where you're now week you're leaving one on one coverage. I talked with all the time free money free money, right? Like run simple plays that are just easy to execute and is quick yards and get your in arisen in a rhythm, those packaged ideas are gonna be free money place. Philadelphia us as I envision. So that's why don't call the run play. Again. I expect Philadelphia to package a lot of their running plays with passing options year, right? And that would just I think that would make a lot of sense for how well this team has moved the football on how well cards is played over the past month 'cause he's been absolutely out of his mind. So that's my Xs and os stuff. Now wanna talk contracts talk talk a little little personnel. When quick point about the lineman's that you're going to see from the Philadelphia Eagles people are asking does this mean Agla or moves out to to the outsiders taken play out there more. Yeah. Adler is going to get some more outside snaps in his outside. Snaps already up twenty percent this year. But what you're also gonna see the eagles run that three by one shock onset trips. Right. And you got two guys in the slot from there, you're gonna see bunch and they're going to be in that bunch together. And that's not an outside rep. No matter what the designation and you're gonna see tight condense set. So it's not they're going to have that route tree that multidirectional optionality built into their offense. Not all outside reps are created the same. But yes, I would I would see also Nelson galore playing a little. More on the outside than he has been a long, you know, and he's been doing that this year anyway because of the wide receiver so we've dealt with that we've talked about that. Let's talk long term contract. Ben. I know you have thoughts on this and you've dug into it so fire away because this what matters Matt like players. What matters is the the contracts, and what it's gonna look like the long term. So we've talked about Al Gore when I said, let's look at ODA Beckham junior. A lot of the reason why was discussing was on the potential move on from him as a very important note something that I have misconstrued and did not understand. I now understand shout to Nick cordy of over the cap who helped me I wanna ask him. Philadelphia picked up Nelson aga- lowers fifth year option last year they picked out when he was playing quite well and picking up a fifth year option just ensures that you have an extra year to negotiate with that player about his potential extension. So Nelson alkaloids fifth year option as discusses red around nine point four million dollars all non-guaranteed money, which means that it only gets guaranteed this season. If if it's injured once we begin the new league year next year, then it will be guaranteed, and it's in terms of game checks. Right. And so he could still be cut with no cap it at that point. So because Philidelphia pay out the fifth year option on galore releasing him after this season and forgoing the fifth year option entirely would not return competency draft selection, because technically they would be cutting him notch letting contract expire because they have officially picked up the fifth year option. Even though the money is not guaranteed, and even though Philadelphia is very likely to try to not pay the nine point five million and restructure Adler. And potentially extent him said that bring that cap at number down, and we'll get to that in a second. So Philly cannot get a Compaq from after the twenty eighteen twenty nineteen season. Which means golden Tate. Eagles just traded for him a seven million dollar based salary this year, the final year of his contract, their eight games left on that. Which means you'll pay three point five million in game checks. To play goal and tape for the next eight weeks, and then playoff checks if those come through going to tell it was a quiet for third round pick. Now, Gordon hits the market the expectation from a lot of people thirty one year old receiver has been very productive. What what is it gonna look like I've heard, you know, fourth or fifth round competent, Tori selection. So if so when we look at this trait, we should not look at Philadelphia trade a third for ten game for eight gains of gone. It's inaccurate Philadelphia. Traded a third for ten games of going eight, and the competent Tori, selection that going to take will likely return, and because or can't be a Compaq this year. The eagles are much more likely to be cutting or letting go Tate walk at the end of this season. Now, I will say obviously got love for Howie and never gonna say the wise picking up that fifth year option for Google or does look like a little bit of a mistake in terms of it was done quite early. And now. Philadelphia's at a point where they can't be positive. They'll get a contact from either Ortega, whoever they don't want to keep you know, what I mean. Like, if if there wasn't a fifth year picked up for right now, you could say, okay, whoever we wanna keep for a longer term. We've slept the other one walk and we probably get around a fourth or fifth forum. Can't do that. Now. Not going gonna return a Compaq unless you were to keep him through twenty nineteen again at nine point four million dollars. And then you let them walk and get a twenty twenty one Compaq. You know what I mean? So like, that's what you're saying is just just so I'm clear on the listeners are clear as not bad that we gave Adler that option. It's the fact that we did it so early and it restricts are options moving forward, especially in light of this new trade, obviously, I was playing well you want to reward him. You know, keeping up morale. I'm not gonna deny that if they hadn't yet picked up that option which doesn't kick in until next year. Right Agla still right now is a you know, two point nine million dollar cap hid fourth year of his of his four year deal as as rookie if you hadn't picked that up right now, you whoever you let walk Tate or Agla will give you a Compaq. But now only take gives you a twenty twenty comp if you let him walk up to the season, which means because Philadelphia spent a third on which is a pretty hefty price decent price, you would expect Philadelphia to let him walk. Now. Let's say he returns around fourth or fifth. Let's say it's fourth or fifth regardless if you look at the trade value charts for for draft picks like the charge that assigned value a third but taking away the value of a fifth round Compaq is kinda just like a later. Third third and taking away that I have like a fourth round Compaq is still like a really late third or early fourth. You know what I mean? So Philadelphia's essentially trading a pick that's somewhere around one hundred we just like say as a general idea as a ballpark for eight games of golden Tate and around three beginning around four somewhere right around there. That's a little pricey. That's definitely a little pricey. Now, it becomes more justified. If the offense takes the strides forward that we hope we anticipate and they're able to enter the playoffs and they're able to be competitive with the top teams in the NFC. The Rams who move for Dante Fowler and the Vikings and the saints. What have you? I mean, let's be honest, if this if this trade pushes them towards a legitimate playoff run than absolutely. Are you gonna guess at all? Yeah. And certainly the fact that there's two seconds and two fourths helps offset this situation. Let's not forget of Philadelphia's at a point where Brandon Graham might walk Ronald Darby might walk. Jordan Hake might walk. So they're already likely to be acquiring complex in the upcoming season. And you are limited in how many complex you can acquire. Right. You can only acquire team acquire maximum of four believe. So it's not like Philadelphia has had a ton of room to be grabbing complex this year. Anyway, right now, they're certainly likely to extend at least one of Darby Graeme Hick's golden Tate there now four main free agents. Oh, Nick, foles forget Nick foles vote or no the Cottam they have to Cottam because they add the. Okay. So those four main free agents, right? You're going to get decent complex in twenty twenty. There's no doubt about it. You're gonna get these complex and now that complex can be traded which the second that started. How immediately jumped on that idea. Right. We like to say cap room isn't real now that complex can be traded draft picks, basically are real right because you can go and instead of drafting a player in the third who you don't know may or may not be as good as gold and Tate, you can acquire take for third round pick bringing up attention Compaq and twenty twenty use that pick low another pick to move up or move back or to trade for another receiver or so on and so forth right now the releasing free agents gives you a a pick that can later be traded trading draft picks for established players who are successful makes a bunch of sense. And that's the main point here. That's that's the crux of the matter word to fifth rounder for Michael Bennett, right, man. So you can I. Can just take you know, it's not hard to make moves in the third round people move up and down third round all the time. Yeah. So now that I can just take a the fourth round pick. I get from Jordan Hicks walking and translate it into a third by attaching like seventh to or by attaching back of Buffon's of lime into it. Moving third for golden Tate who has a very good shot of taking this offense. A couple of notches at a very key time Philadelphia going to huge part of the schedule with the playoffs and site. It's fine. You know what I mean? Like like, the overall point is the ability to trade a complimentary pick decreases the inherent value of holding onto your draft picks. Once you understand how to manipulate the formula which Philidelphia does shot, Michael Bennett, and you acknowledge that you can just trade those, and you can trade next year's picks twenty twenty picks it just frees you up to make moves like this at the end of the day. It's it's much more fun. And also, I think more replicable and successful. To be a team that tries to make moves to get better instead of holding onto draft picks that might become something later the option trae third for good receiver. So they did it and they can handle the fallback. So as a little pricey probably is it fine. Absolutely. Ben. I think we covered that from pretty much every angle what I'm having trouble covering right now is the ultra to angle on the coaches film for the Philadelphia Eagles game, which was supposed to be our next show. But this trade happened in through a monkey wrench in everything. Obviously emergency podcast was necessary. We'll try to get to the all twenty two film review Wednesday morning and have that out sometime drive time tomorrow. If you do you have access of the second half of that game because I don't for the code. I haven't got I haven't got in there because I'm on tape them. Well, will will you got a surprise wait for you? So. Yeah, me and Ben are to be watching a whole bunch of golden titan offering our opinions on the time line writing up suffer bleeding green nation dot com. Keep an eye out for. All of that. We'll have you covered from every angle about golden Tate about our new wide receiver that ad that we add to the starting lineup. It's going to be fun. I like the move. I like the player he's got the swagger that you like he's going to fit in very well in this city, even if it is just for a short term rental Ben anything else for the gentlest before we say goodbye, I like going to a fund, dude. I mean, he's been having a blast. On Twitter to rocky stairs gift. Yeah. Now. He was like, oh, John Philip his tweet before he got traded was the one of Jordan Peele. Just like sweating profusely. Like tell me what jersey number. I should get it almost like really like you want us to make this. Call six. Really screw them over. Now. He's already funded Carson's excited. You hit him up. So good deal. Yeah. Seems like a great leader. And that's one of the things that Jefferson who covers the lines mentioned about him great effort high effort great blocker, you know, he's a leader in the locker room. So either way you're getting a quality guy on this football team. We'll be back with more analysis tomorrow. In the meantime, you gotta remember we all we got we all we need. Hi, I'm curious Fisher. I want to tell you about another podcast. You should check out. It's called Rico decode every week. I talked to Tekken media's key players about how they're changing our world. I interview tech executives like Facebook CEO, Mark Zuckerberg, political figures, like Hillary Clinton and media personalities, like John Kerry, you literally wrote the book on theranos once again, the name of the show is Rico decode hosted by me Harris wisher, you can find it on apple podcast, or whatever you listen to the show. See you there.

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Instant reaction: Golden Tate is a New York Giant

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Instant reaction: Golden Tate is a New York Giant

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Hello, welcome to you did big blue view podcast. I am Dan zoo to join tear by Chris hub. And we have some news. The giants who have been mostly not very active on the free agent market in the opening days heating up to this. They're only big signing was Anton buffet, of course, there were the couple of trades that you might have heard about but on Thursday, they signed wide receiver. Golden Tate spent the last half of last year with the Philadelphia Eagles was with the Detroit Lions before that Seattle Seahawks before that. So he is a fairly big signing per Adam Schefter the contract. Terms are four years thirty seven and a half million dollars, including twenty three million fully guaranteed what she would be meeting of this. I kind of have no idea this is one of those signings which have become. Some fairly commonplace for the giants that it makes sense in a vacuum. But it is also confusing. That is yet we'll have to wait for the exact structure of the contract to come out. But that's a lot of years in a lot of guaranteed money for a receiver who is going to be thirty one when the season starts. Yeah. And I it's a good point there. Because during the combine with Dave Gettleman was speaking to the media when he was talking about land in Collins. But just overall roster building he said you have fifty three roster spots and a certain amount of cap space. You can't look at every move in a vacuum. But it feels consistently like the things Gettleman has done have been in a vacuum. This is the thing where you can look at it and be like, well, the giants don't have receivers at someone needs to catch the ball. Golden Tate was the best available. Sure, go out and get him. But yet if you look at it in the overall plan of wondering what the giants are doing if they were rebuilding its signing a thirty one year-old mostly Salat receiver to a four year deal with a lot of guaranteed money isn't exactly the way the most teams would be trying to rebuild it brings up a lot of questions and trying to figure out exactly what tastes role is at how he is going to fit in the offense at thirty one years old. He's not in the physical prime of his career anymore. You're going to be paying for the decline seasons of we'll get into whether that has already happened or not this signing brings up a whole bunch of questions that I'm not sure if we have the answers to right now. No, I mean, why don't we start with the obvious one sterling shepherd the giants slot receiver who has been one of the best slot receivers. Basically since he entered the league and led all slot receivers in touchdowns as a rookie. You know, what is his role? We'd know he is better. He can play outside. He did that a fair bit at Oklahoma. He did it a little bit more last year. Especially after Odell got hurt. Are they now looking at him as primarily wide receiver? Are they going to maybe do what we were begging them to do for weeks on end in motion. Evan Ingram or saquon Barkley out too wide receiver and then maybe play shepherd in Tate at at dual slots get so many questions. Yeah. It it's a big question. Especially with the defy with shepherd who is better in the slot. We've talked about how he does have the versatility to play on the inside and outside. I wrote this week. I'm big view looking at the options at wide receiver later. I put up. A split of shepherd with and without Beckham in twenty eighteen and he struggled a little bit. And actually a lot of bit with with Beckham not playing at when he was used on the outside more often. So that was one of the concerns a with the Beckham trade is what the giants were going to do. They're now the concern is the Sheppard and Tate have a very similar skill sets. They're better in the slot that both can play outside. So if you want maybe there is that versatility there. But you kind of have to wonder if there's a balance that can be found to make that work out better. It's not like putting him with Odell Beckham who could play the slot. But he was so good on the outside of one of the best receivers in the league that you moving them around was really more of a match up advantage of just getting those different looks with Tate and shepherd. It's probably more about trying to figure out where you can get the best from each of them. And then you have to wonder if. Shepherd is just on the trade block. He's on the last year of his rookie deal wonder if Shepard is going to be on the block, and possibly the moved and the giants will have to figure out what to do as a number two receiver opposite Tate just because of how much their skill sessions overlap. Yeah. And you know, this we had heard during the season that the New England Patriots were in hot pursuit of Beckham. And that they wanted to for them. So they can get him relatively cheaply. Even if they had to move a first round pick for it. This was back before he got his contract and just have him on the last year of his deal. That's one of the inefficiencies the patriots love to exploit and they do happen to have three third round picks this year, or at least right now. I honestly can't say I would be terribly surprised to read that sterling shepherd is traded. And traded to the patriots because he also fits their offense. Perfectly a tough detailed route runner with good hands in run after the catch ability. Yeah. Tom Brady loves those. Yes. So it does raise a couple of questions in what the offense is going to look like Tate is not really a receiver who's been known the lately, especially to be a downfield thread think he can have that ability. But he's mostly been someone who has done most of his work out of the slot in shallow routes and he's a great yards after the catch receiver. But and when you would just go through what his average depth of target was this year, he had three games with an A dot over ten. So he's doing most of his work fewer than ten yards down the field. A so that's something you got to take a look at it. In wonder how that's going to go into the offense. And then do you look at just the grand scheme of the money, so Schefter reported that twice? Three million of that contract is fully guaranteed. We said that's a lot of money that is right now the ninth highest total guarantee for a wide receiver. So that is owed. Oh Beckham is one might Evans de'andre Hopkins who Jones Jarvis Landry semi walk ins AJ green Corey Davis. And then now golden Tate, so while his average annual salary if you want to look at that is only a little above nine that total guarantee is a lot. So if Tate starts to decline quickly the giants might not really have in easy out beforehand. Again, we don't have the structure of the contract right now. But that amount of guaranteed money to thirty one year old wide receiver is that's a lot to give up so Pugh back the curtain a little bit. We had a podcast that we had recorded earlier. It's kind of not really applicable now with some of the things we talked about after the signing and would have. One of the things I brought up is if the giants will have to pay a premium to get some players to come in now. And it kinda seems like that is what happened with Tate paying that much guaranteed is a lot of money to pay the golden even if you considered him the number one receiver on the market. I'm and then you look at just the overall plan of what happens here. So this per Nick, according I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing his last name right of over the cap, he does great work with the compensatory picks on east kind of the only person who really knows the formula is usually pretty spot on at Tate's contracts. The eagles are going to add a fourth round twenty twenty pick with the Tate signing from losing Tate. And again, we're still early in the off season. So a lot of this is fluid and the giant by signing. Tate would lose the fifth rounder. They could have had with Jim on Brown signing in Atlanta. So when you look. Get that too. If the giants were fully rebuilding, and they were going to be looking at those complex like some people said, they would that is obviously not the case here because of the potential giving the eagles of fourth-rounder and taking away a fifth rounder for themselves in the twenty twenty draft. So this isn't really a long view type of signing either. No. And getting back to the idea of the giants might paying him guaranteed money to get worse. The part, I think that worries me the most about this signing, and I don't think I have been deceptive in my criticism of Dave Gettleman, and I'm not going to write this signing off as it will be bad. But I have to say I do have concerns. It could be good because Tate's ability to run after the catch should should anyway mesh well with what Pat Shurmur likes to do on offense. You know, get the ball to playmakers in space. But last year football outsiders had Tate rated as the second worst receiver in football by their DAR metric, which is defense adjusted yards above replacement. He was a negative one thirty four four. Just some reference John Ross was a negative ninety six. Tate's Devi away. And he struggled in Philadelphia and Philadelphia had difficulties just fitting him in just to kind of steal a point you made before we started recording. But it was a good once I'm using it. But even before tape went to Philadelphia, he had a negative twenty two point three D V away in Detroit, and he had already kind of taken a step back from where he was just the four years before that. So I do have to worry about whether or not he's going to be a vial receiver for very long. Yeah. So last year a mum all vied receivers an integral between Detroit and Philadelphia Tate. Head denied the most targets of any receiver from the slot. That also includes tight ends because Travis Kelsey Zakar. It's on the list looking at so Tate had ninety two targets from the slot. Only sixty receptions, that's not a very high rate on. On slut targets at six hundred seventy two receiving yards. Three hundred twenty eight of them came through the air three hundred thirty two yards after the catch. Oh, almost exactly fifty fifty there. He's a kind of a broken tackle machine. He had sixteen broken tackles a witch. So this is crazy so per sports in phila- solutions using leaderboards right now Tate had sixteen broken tackles on receptions from the slot last year number two had six. So I mean in terms of the giants offense he's going to fit in that regard of getting thrown the ball and having to break a crapload of tackles before can gain any yards. That was what saquon Barkley had to do last year. So there's part of Tate's game that works. And there is positive. I like take as a player how he fits with the giants just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Of course is he's going to have that low A dot and be that slot option. And that might make things easier you manning possibly that makes things easier for the next quarterback if that's a rookie this year or if that's a rookie in twenty twenty. It's not a terrible piece to have. But looking at the whole thing in context, it is a very weird piece at his age and at that price to put into what this offense currently is. Yeah. This is move that could be good. It could work out. Very well, especially if tape returns to his twenty seventeen form when he was a top twenty top thirty receiver. But this is a move that does carry some risk of being basically, another Jonathan Stewart type signing where they're paying for past production than in this case paying at least it looks right now like a fair amount for awhile. Yeah. I don't want to say it's Stewart signing because the LBC's not a running back, but obviously significantly more money than was given to Stewart. But I don't know. I think one thing also before this becomes a narrative that gets thrown out there of a Tate being a good veteran presence for the locker room. I'm sure this is something that's going to be put out by someone at some point. I have nothing against Tate as a person he's been a very fun player to watch in his career. But he's he's done some civil brations. There's a gift I've shared a very frequently of him doing like a WWE spinning wheel kick to end juiston Deo when he scored a touchdown who one time in a game like literally kicked him in the face going across the goal line. And then there's this story about him and Percy Harbin the week before Seattle was in the Super Bowl, they got into a physical altercation. So it just. Just going to that thing. And again, I'm not saying Tate is a bad person. But for the giants now getting rid of Odell Beckham because he was a distraction and then signing golden tape is a real weird look to me. Yeah. You know, it's not necessarily bad. It's just potentially weird supposedly there's a plan at work, which was something. We had asked about in the podcast that now never happened. Yeah. Let's let's get into that now which shift into that because the Tate signing kind of sort of answers a question. But also leaves a lot of things about what the giants plan is like do the giants think they're gonna compete in twenty nineteen like it's that the plan. Well, Dave Gettleman did say they could compete while building the roster. So I'm not sure how much we can take him at his word at anything. But. That does seem to be land. Yeah. It it. Again, feels like the half rebuild half, a build a competitor. Which doesn't work you got to pick a lane. And the giants have not been able to do that since gentleman was hired. So I think one other thing that is the fallout here. Do you think with Tate and now a veteran wide receiver signed does it make more likely for them to draft a quarterback in the first round this year because before this I didn't really see the point because there just wasn't a structure in the receiving core or the whole structure of an offense and how far away it looked like the giants are which I still think they are a little far away. But if the giants they adding someone like Tate is what's going to make this offense better. Are they more likely to draft a quarterback this year? On our original podcast before the giant sign. Teat? We both agreed that they probably be best served by building up the ecosystem into which a young quarterback would enter. So they could actually have success right away. Personally. I thought maybe they would be at least decently served to take a lottery pick this year. Like a jerk stood him or Brett Rypien if they happen to be there in the middle round third fourth fifth, whatever I think this does kind of bring quarterback back into the conversation. I'm not sure it totally ever left, especially outside of the worst case. At least for us scenario of the giants using the seventeenth overall pick on Daniel Jones after going best player available at number six. But again, as we are before the giants were in heavy attendance at Oklahoma, Pat, Shurmur and Chris marrow were standing, right. Behind Kyla Murray in further throwing portion of his workout. Maybe maybe that is back on the table. So. It's interesting because I think the way the giants offense is structured right now. I it's more of a Dwayne Haskins offense than a collar Murray offense. I think very has just great deep. Accuracy, the rocket arm and everything that birdie does but Haskins does have a great arm has really pretty good deep. Accuracy, just didn't use. It a lot that Ohio State. Offense was very based around the shallow drags and crossers and things. So they're replicating that type of style. So I wonder if Haskins this is possibly a hint toward Haskins. I'm not sure I don't know if we want to take too much away from that. But this kind of starts setting up like the Ohio State offense was set up last year. Get the ball to Paris Campbell shore, and let him just do his thing. Yeah. There were a lot of that. Atalaya state Haskins has the ability to throw deeper, but just a lot of what he did was in in the short and intermediate area. So I it's something worth trying to figure out I guess as as we look further into what the giants are going to do this signing, I guess was kind of rumored but mostly came out of nowhere. And I think it it still a raises more questions about what the overall plan is then answers, definitely especially with the contract because I'll just say I jumped right on writing are announced post for it. And I did not see the the terms. So I was basically operating under the assumption that it was probably a one year like maybe five million dollar deal. Just a bridge to get them to twenty twenty not spend too much keep most of their cap room. You may. Maybe role as much as they can over to next year. But then I see, you know, four years that much guaranteed that took me completely by surprise. Yeah. And it's going to come down a lot to structure it can be a super expensive two year deal. It can be a slightly expensive three-year deal. It's probably not going to end up being the four year deal. But there's there's a lot of money there. And even with the structure, it's still a quite an interesting deal would the giants to put on their books. But this is now the first I guess major move of whatever the plan is we still don't really know. I don't think this gave us a very clear view into what the plan is. So we'll continue to monitor. If we get any more hints is this. This is a very strange signing to me. But we will continue to dive into the deal. Wants more details come out we'll continue to monitor the rest of the deals as free agency continues. We're going to end this show here. So you can get this podcast wherever you find your podcast appraise rate and review if you have not that helped us out greatly. 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Eagles trade, Rodgers impact, Rockets woes, Texans trade

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Eagles trade, Rodgers impact, Rockets woes, Texans trade

"Happy Halloween, everyone and welcome diverse things. I I'm John wall. That is the hall of fame of Chris Carter that is Nick, right. We'll spooky moist. This morning's bookie voice that was my regular voice. It was spooky music. That was my regular start the show voice. So we're going let big day of NFL trades yesterday to marry Thomas joining Shawn Watson the Packer shipped off a star defender. But why don't we start with the Philadelphia Eagles who made Carson Wentz a very happy quarterback yesterday? Philly traded a third round pick to the lions for wide receiver. Golden Tate asked why he traded for a guy on the last year deal eagles GM Howie Roseman said he's one of the most productive receivers in the league. And that his run after catch numbers are phenomenal Tate now joins the receiving core of Nelson Aguilar, and Al Sean Jeffrey artsy. What impact you think? Golden teak can have on this ego. Offense. Unlike the fact that how we Roseman the general manager he focused on the skill set as far as what it will provide not only to Carson Wentz to this offense. And in this new NFL people think that maybe Philadelphia might go for running back. There's a couple of running backs potentially could be available. Why don't they trade for them? If you can't get a running back or you're happy with your running backs. You have to get a guy light golden Tate a guy who can play in space a guy can play in the slot. He's also played outside. He is not a just a short area quickness guy. He's not only limited to the slot. He has deep speed. So he's not a possession receiver to meet. He's one. He's one of the guys I like watching play because he's developed he left Seattle after being the third receiver there to increase role in the money in Detroit and the last four years he's been phenomenal Utah. He's the most dangerous guy after the catch. We have in you think. Well, what about Odal Beckham? Odell doesn't get the ball is. Much as he does and didn't do as much as him because the game plan what they've done in Detroit. He's been to highlight his kill set. I believe he's a tremendous addition to the Philadelphia Eagles and Carson wins because he will say, well, they gave up a third round pick. That's a lot of compensation. He's in the last year of his contract if he decided to leave Philadelphia they're going to get a compensatory pick. That's probably going to be a third or four founder anyway. So I like the move to Philadelphia. It doesn't cost them that much. And if they lose him after this year, they'll build a move on by getting another pick and the future those compensatory picks work like what you lose in free agency versus what you bring in free agency. So if the eagles decide to stand Pat mostly in free agency, and they let golden Tate leave. They get something back Detroit instead of getting a pick in two thousand and twenty after him leaving after this off season they're going to get the pick right now from philadel- and Detroit item. Think would have ended up even getting a compensatory pick. Because I think they're going to be buyers this off season. So even if they were gonna. Let him go. They were going to bring in enough this off season to where it would probably minimize what their compensation would be. But for the eagles, see touched on it. He is since he came into the league one of the five most productive yards after catch guys in all of football. And the most productive yard after catch high-volume guy. Meaning the other guys who have similar yard after catch numbers to him are not guys that are getting targeted one hundred plus times per season. What of the eagles struggled within the passing game this year their bottom six in the league yard after catch. So that is a puzzle piece that fits perfectly where we are missing. You are adding and that fix fits. Well, the eagles this year have one game where they've scored three. Plus where they've scored more than three touchdowns. That was the giants game one game where they've scored more than twenty four points. The giants game like Philadelphia. Yes, they had a path to victory last year. That was great defense and ground you down, but they all sort of path of we're just going to crush you. We're gonna put up thirty five points. They've only done. Close to that once all year, and it was against a terrible giant scene. But what I liked the most about this move for Philly is it's how he Roseman saying. I know the first half of the season didn't go, right? You know, what we're still going for it? We still think we can defend our crown. We still think we can win this division. Make noise in the playoffs. We're willing to give up put the eighty fifth pick of the draft for maybe only eight games in a playoff run of golden Tate. It's worth it to us because it's a shot in the arm and maybe for the guys in the locker room. It reminds them man last year we did and helped us win a Super Bowl this year. Maybe we do with golden Tate and helps us get closer get back to it. All right before we get to how far the eagles can go with golden. You talk so much about this about offense looking very much like the starting five hundred basketball team. So tell me what golden Tate does what position he would basically play, but tween guar and alshon Jeffery. Okay. Let's see. I'll Sean Jeffrey right now is their best receiver in Zach ertz. The tight in is very very good. So if we're going to start in five I would say out schon Jeffrey is going to be my center Zach ertz is going to be my power forward. I believe my scorn forwards going to be golden Tate. He's a better run. After the catch Nelson. Aguilar trying to use the backs out of backfield. That's how you're able to supplement the passing attack. That's how you're able to put when I want to wide receiver unit. I want a point guard. I want a guy can score. I want a big guy. But golden Tate is the best wide receiver on Philadelphia's roster now has the most skill with Sean Jefferies. They should look good together. Because outshone is that possession receiver Seaver red zone. Target golden Tate. He's everywhere. He's all over the field. And he's very very friendly to the quarterback. Well, what do you mean by that? He runs his routes. And he gives indicators we saw last week where two interceptions in the Minnesota game were to turnover caused by the wide receivers stealing fumbling and Stefan bids given around indicator for Kirk cousins. Interception return for touchdown. He doesn't do that. He's a veteran wide receiver. He's played with veteran quarterbacks. And he's the kind of guy that I believe can bring them spark to Philadelphia's locker room right now. Give them the type of energy and bounce to give them a lift. So they can go on this playoff run. I wasn't sure you were going to agree with me. What you just said it. I do believe he's the best wide receiver on Philly now. And that's nothing. It's out after you agree with me. Okay. We'll just say point is when I when I heard today when I heard the down I thought. Wow. I mean, he's going to come in and be their best wide or means Adler moves to third what you'll really? We're ranking them. Sure. But we're playing will in the slot. That's why there is a need for someone might gold and take Adler. We thought had a breakout season last year this year, he's kind gone back to year number two. And he's not as important as third wide receiver isn't a lot of teams because of arts because one of your best receiving options is your tight end view of earth's Jeffrey, and golden Tate that's going to take care of the vast majority of your passing attack and no receiver in the league is broken more tackles than Tate. I am curious your opinion on what the timeframe of picking up the offenses golden age has been went to Seattle then Detroit. Now, he's in Philly. How long until he can really make a true impact is still going to take time. I wouldn't see him as a full-time player for a month. I still see them plan initially twenty place to start with also I wouldn't be surprised potentially. They moved him back to return punts. He can return some punts the Bill to try to make plays. I know the Peterson. They know the. Urgency to so when you have a player that has come from two good situations. I looked to be a smart football player. He's got a high football IQ. So they'll try and the next two weeks. How can we get him to plan twenty to thirty plays and also some of those bubble screens and things like that? They not real real sophisticated. So I think those things can be implemented in week number one and Philly by the way on a buy this week coming off the London game. So you won't have to worry about anything for at least another twelve days second year in a row. Howie Roseman went out and got aggressive and picked up someone Jj I last year and golden Tate this year. Can you see this often starting to put it together? Can you see them getting back to where they were last year with what the team looks like right now maybe back to helps. But he he's not going to help. Jason Peters left tackle, he's not going to help lane. The right tackle because they have not played good football. So yes, they have more weapons. They have more things to get the ball. Carson. I like the fact that even though golden can be a deep threat. He's so good run after catch. You can throw him the ball right now. Oh, so that will help offense line. It's almost like an extended running game. But they gotta get their offense of line ago. And personally Jason Peters after coming back taken a reduction in salary. This is the worst football. I've seen him play in at least ten years. So that's what I'm going to be watching offense align in Philadelphia. Even though they have one more weapon to Bill throw to enlist and Philly understand the situation there up against Washington's five into with as I've said before the softest remaining strength of schedule and football. The eagles are foreign four and they five divisional games left. Here's their non divisional games at the Rams at the saints and home for the Texans. Those are three divisional leaders right now. In addition to having to play Washington twice having to play Dallas twice so eighties. Philly knows they've got to find a way to Adam minimum go six into. So this was the best available player. They could acquire. They did it. Now, if they end up going four and four in the second half, and they lose golden Tate. They're going. Say maybe this was shot they won't back. But he also the one of the golden Tate is he is a fiery personality. He's a guy that is known. He had the skirmishes with Percy Harbin back in the day with Seattle like he's going to bring an edge to that locker room that could be useful for a team that right now almost stuck in a post Super Bowl Malays. So I I like this move for Philadelphia Eagles pick up golden Tate. Not by the way, from California from Tennessee. We'll talk about that in the break coming up should Aaron Rodgers periods that the Packers were sellers at the deadline. That's next first thing. Things. Sports is teamed up with four the win for the college football fan index. So each week you that fan will be ranking college football experiences and this week. We're ranking Bess on uniforms a Michigan coming in the top spot followed by Notre Dame, air force and Florida state. What do you think Nick, Michigan and Notre Dame do have conic uniforms? I like the USC uniforms at the top of my head as uniforms that I think like in that late afternoon. West coast, sun, great, see, what's Ohio State, now aside, do you have a particular college football uniform? I don't think even those traditional uniforms and everything I don't think they're the best Notre Dame in Michigan have the best helmets shore. Okay. And I know that's a huge part of the uniform their helmets are conic. And I just remember watching them on Saturdays is a kid that those two schools older Notre Dame helmets. More than the newer shinier. They seem to have. Added almost like a Nike Oregon flair to the helmets lately. That's not quite like what it's a little off color too. Right. Yeah. But the helmets are I kind of got love golden dome. Irs getting done Oregon. They change in uniform. Got thirty five. I'll get to the Packers fire sound second. But I agree cleanly shaven dazzles us with the behind the back move floated over Blake Griffin. Imagine that see Cairo Irving starts looking like urban. And he starts looking like Irving kyri had a great have let us know. He wasn't playing really good before. This look very good last night looked far more explosive and keep you haircut. Loman is a better look for the hair the beard all looked like vintage kyri same game. Reggie jackson. Brings the ball up gets bumped Dale hits the three. Ooh, we mouth then building out there. He's looking for the foul there. It was right before the half. So he has to throw it up. But that's. Onto heck of a shot man to really was next. Terrence Ferguson with a perfect alleyoop rest Westbrook against the clippers this game. Put him up twenty with a few minutes left the little exclamation point. Russell into this game last night. Now, he don't like Patrick. Beverley? No, no, no. He was into this one rock in the baby all night doing that little celebration. Love Russell much Terrence versions. Nice little emerging player for them moving onto yesterday's tread. Dateline? Guesses. No longer. Green Bay Packer. All right. So the guessing game doesn't really work on TV time. Montgomery after return to kick off. He wasn't supposed to then. Fumbled. When he definitely wasn't supposed to Green Bay dealt Montgomery to the ravens for a seventh round pick. But wait, there's more. They also sent Pro Bowl safety ha ha Clinton Dix not funny to Washington in exchange for a fourth round pick. So the Packers sit at three three and one chasing the foreign three Chicago Bears nickel start with you. We surprise. The Packers were such big. Sellers at the deadline. The time Gumri thing doesn't matter much to me that one is not I'm not that surprised by the ha ha Clinton Dix. Trade was shocking to me. I understand that. He's appending free agent this coming year. And maybe they thought they weren't going to sign him. But look at the teams that either are the best teams in football or have older quarterbacks that you don't know what the window will be and what they did the saints. They added Eli apple a week ago. The patriots they were in the market, and they added Josh, Gordon. And we thought they might add more the Rams we're the best team in football. They added Dante Fowler. Chiefs were in the market for Thomas before he broke his leg. The Packers have Aaron Rodgers near fourteen. They're not in first place in their division. They're in a dogfight. So let's get rid of the best defensive player. We've draft in the last six years. Let's get rid of a guy who pro football focus says has been the second best safety in all of this year. Why so we can have the hundred and fifteenth pick of the upcoming draft. This is just another example to me of the Packers not understanding the asset. They have in Aaron Rodgers and the Packers adding to the degree of difficulty for the most talented player in the league, this this trade surprised me and as a football fan angered me because I don't understand what remained is doing. Actually, he's going to be partnered there with DJ swearing pro football, focus as DJ swearing just second Earl Thomas, I and ha ha Clinton Dixon third. I left out because he's injured for the year. So these two safety's now not only does he help the Washington Redskins. But he kills one of their best players now DJ swearing. He doesn't have to play in the mill to field because that's how Dixon that's where he plays in the Millfield high Dixon's better in man-to-man coverage if you wanna match him up and put DJ square in coverage somewhere else. So it makes the Washington Redskins. Let you know that they are trying to win. He's. A good football player. I believe underrated. When you play with Aaron Rodgers and you play with some of the bad defensive players in bad defensive scheme. Green Bay's had it's hard to give a player like him that type of activates now he has been voted into the pro and pro football focus hasn't ranked as one the top safeties. But he's not a player that we talk about lot the Redskins. I believe like unique. They got a lot better yesterday in picking up ha ha Clinton Dix. I hear this. I don't understand what are the backers. Doing. What are they doing? They play the patriots this week in a couple of weeks there at the Vikings after that they have another tough road game at Seattle. Do they think they're done to the Packers are the Packers? They're not going to say it. But they think they're going to miss the playoffs for the first time with a healthy Aaron Rodgers since he became the full time starter is that what they're telling us are the Packers just saying like we have new general manager. We wanna let him have as many assets as possible and Brian Guten coons this upcoming year because I look at the ice. I thought the backers should be encouraged by what happened last week. You went to the Rams the only undefeated team in football and not for bonehead play time. Montgomery. I believe you win that game. You dominate the first half. It takes three spectacular special teams plays by the Rams for them to beat you by two points, and your reaction to that is to get rid of one of your best defenders certainly your best player in the secondary. I know gyro exander the rookie is playing very well. But hoc Clinton Dix is the most established guy. The Packers over last seven years every year spent the first round pick on a defensive player. He's the best one they've drafted. And now you move on from him. I don't this is perplexing to me. I like all the moves over the course of the last couple of years at the Green Bay Packers have made with Aaron Rodgers have seemingly been perplexing. It's one of these. We have Aaron Rodgers everything else will figure out a way to work itself out. Are you a surprise with what the Packers data's nNcholas? I'm not surprised, and you know, Nichols, a lot more emotion attached to it like, I could care less. What the pack like they've been they've been doing things their own way. So why would I mostly get attached to they changed organisation? They changed the structure they have a new general manager there. He's starting to make changes to Bill things his way. I don't know where he's heading. So I'm just going to give him time. He just took over he made a couple coaching changes. He made a couple of personnel changes that I believe are far more than exit owes. I think it's about fitting in long-term to his plans. I believe that's why he moved off of these two players. I'm just. Going to be patient because he just took over. I'm not going to put him under a sense of urgency because of Aaron Rodgers body clock. That's not his fault. He just took over the team. He should have the same amount of time that we get other teams to build tried to put his type of fingerprint on the organization, what type of players he wants to have moving forward. I don't know what he's going to do. But there will be a lot of is own Green Bay to watch. And see what's his next move. And what's to meaning behind him? No matter who their quarterback was I would think a guy you drafted one of the best players drafted. Your organization is drafted who is coming up on free agency playing some of the best football his career. That's the type of player you want to extend. That's the type of player that after this year you were hoping to bring back, but I just I want to remind the Green Bay Packers something because we have gotten a little skewed by the last twenty five years of far to Rogers. There was listen you had Lombardi in star you want all those championships. You. You've been in. You've been playing pro football a year longer than the NFL has existed. There was a twenty five year stretch between star before farve where you one one playoff game. And it was an a strike year a twenty five year stretch where you had two seasons in totality where you one double digit games. Like when Aaron Rodgers is done. There is nothing to say you won't go back to that. This isn't the Steelers that had been relevant in every decade, the NFL has ever existed. This team went through a long drought. We know they're not going to be a viable superstar free agent destination. At least they haven't been in the past the way, you're going to get great players drafting them and keeping them not drafting them and trading them while you're making a playoff. How far can Packers go with what they have now. Sure because of because of twelve but it just got harder. They were marginal playoff team before they made the trait. Right. So it's up that they won't make the playoffs. All right. Let's take a break. We'll talk more about this over the course of the show coming up though, is it. Panic climb for the Huston rocket. One in five that's next. The best players play in the biggest game. Time star Blake Griffin joins the show he super tall. We're gonna have to adjust the lighting that is tomorrow right here. See I wonder how will feel about your open dunk. Contest idea. Now got someone we can ask or you gotta fix it up. He's a little big. I gotta fix it up. When the studio I get really aggressive. They not in studio studio. We've been Blake's played while this year old area Blake this season. He's got one of those system coaches. I grew up with designs often, Mike Nora he runs often with him. Yes. He would say same high school. I didn't know that excited for Blake tomorrow time for us to go viral. Russell Westbrook's been doing a rock the baby celebration after some of his baskets this season. He was asked about it after last night's win against the clippers. And here's what he had to say. No kids. Sleep located. Guards. And literally need a second explanation for the first explanation. It was saying, yeah, that's what you do with your little babies, right? And he's saying that offenders are like his base, and he's rocking. Yeah. He's saying. It's like I throw you the ball on the low post team your own some you have the ball. Okay. Right. Knicks garden, right? You just take your time with them because you're going to take them the school. So you just rock him to sleep. Do you take them to the whole? That's what he's talking is the explanation. Really? That's that was wonderful Senator into the whole, I usually have to work as translator for you. And you the right there worked as translator for Jenna. That was one. That was great teamwork. Just always on the bad end of no. Geno. Yeah. So I'm Rockin bad thing today, so far and that was that ridiculous. Golden Tate stales best things I've said, but I did for something to happen stories to start your morning brought to you by unexpected energy Exxon Mobil. All right. So the first edition of the college football playoff rankings came out yesterday. No surprise guys, Alabama at number one followed by Clemson LSU and Notre Dame Durand out the top four C C. You're shaking your head the committee get this, right? Yeah. It's pretty easy to start off with Alabama. Clemson LSU Notre Dame. They had the great win over Michigan. Start to season followed that up the Bill stay unblemished. It's going to be an exciting race. It of white world's going to be exciting for the mother three van was going to be. There is going to be there. And with the way this sets up bama's toughest game remaining this season until the playoff is this weekend at LSU, and they the way the sets up they could lose it LSU and still end up in the playoff assuming they beat off. Iron and the iron bowl like Bama has almost locked up their playoff spot already with how the rankings are and how they've played. But I think the committee got it right early on moving on to a showdown of two great quarterbacks. Tom Brady taken on Aaron Rodgers in Foxborough Sunday night. How about this? They're facing off for only the second time in their careers Brady said Aaron Rodgers is inspiring even for me, see what he make a brief comments. Aaron Rodgers even inspiring even even one more Super Bowls than anyone. Someone. They're nice little I give I get it, Tom. I understand. That's my take. Must be must be Tom. You ever see the click of Viansa was being interviewed. And someone said just introduce or said, you're beyond say and her response was thank you. It was just like that word Tom Brady is it's like even by my it was like when you ask Dion Sanders. Dionne he said your greatest he didn't lie. Sean, I can't believe these guys have only played once against each other. I get it because you're in different conferences during play once every four years, but that's crazy now curry Irving had his best performance of the young season. Thirty one points on sixteen shots along with five boards and five assists. Boston beats the pistons won await one of five which you make a Kyrie's performance. Nick, the only disappointing thing is that we were surprised by that it took a couple of weeks of the season for Cairo to have by his standards. A really good Pat a few awful games. But he got a shave a haircut and started looking like himself again. And this was a game. The Celtics were in firm control of until about four minutes left. The pistons hit a bunch of threes to make it close at the end. But I mean, this is what the Celtics need from Kyrie what they expect from. This is the first game in seven games genita-. I thought he was the best Celtics other games. I thought he was either second third some games fourth best. Celtic so nice to see. Him come back from the two point performance nights to see him seems like he went to a spa gotta steam shower shave little. Yeah. He definitely he looked like you need to clint's. I finally Lonzo ball took some of the blame for the Lakers recent struggles at a rough Monday night, which is four points, one assists. Lonzo says he's not doing his job needs to be more engaged. All right, Nick. What did you make of lonzo's comments? I respect that the young players taking some of this on himself. I don't think engagement has been his issue. I think Lonzo very rarely do I watch him. And it looks like he's just going through the motions when he saying engage. I think that in his second year in the league, he's starting to realize that there's a certain level of intensity that he hasn't been engaged to is not as if he's engaged not engaged, but he's not engaged at the level that he needs to be engaged in some time through competence to competition. You see that these guys are? Operating at a higher level of intensity than I am now from his his body language in his normal like that's his normal MO, but it's not going to work for him in the NBA. Like we were worried about him last year. Like how intense will he be game in and game out? And I think that's what he's talking about. When he says engaged he's talking about the overall intensity for which he's going about doing his work. But you don't want him to change his approach. Like, there are guys who are very successful. Who aren't nearly like Steph? Curry is not an intense guy. He seems to have a laid back approach. You just wanting do want him to change his approach. I mean, go ahead. Steph is intense you and I sat behind Steph curry, and we were there thirty minutes before the game. Now, I typically do a good job of getting the icon iconic guys dream onset. What's DeMarcus cousins said what's up to me K D because he was like he mean, but me but staff did not into the crowd. He has an intense pre. Game routine. He's working on his muscles. He's working on his shooting motion. He's got these things he does and Steph has a fun personality. But inside the game. He's intense that what he wants to do. I would compare Steffes during the game demeanor almost to a long striding football player that looks like they're not running hard when they actually are like some things come. So we bring people would say, oh, he's loafing. But if you were time him he's running out of four four like where Steph it comes. He so fluid and it comes so naturally to him. It might maybe looks like he's not trying hard as he is for Lonzo. Either. Lonzo's biggest issue is right now, he doesn't know what exactly his role is. I think his issue was aren't injured. I'm off the bench. I'm now in the starting lineup like, but we'll LeBron's going to dominate the ball. I think he hasn't found his footing this year with the team, but the other much more tangible issue is this if you scared to go to the foul line, and you don't have an intermediate. It game. Then how often to player he's only jump shooter? And that's a problem. Right. Like in because he's a good athlete. He can get to the rim. But guys they can get to the rim have to be okay with getting fouled. This has been the Lakers. Now, they're two point guards or two guys. That would rather pass the ball and go to the free throw line. And that's a pro like you can take that at times from big from a center, especially because they're going to get so many touches down in the post. But if you beat your man, and you you got a clear path the basket, and then you see a big coming over is going to have to value to stop you. You gotta be okay with that. And Lonzo on the year. What shot ten free throws? No, I'm sorry. Seven free throws on the season like that. And we talked about this last year about his his lack of wanting to get to the line. And that one as I understand is not good free. Throw shooter got to work through that. Because a getting the other team in the bonus getting yourself in the bones getting team foul. Trouble scoring with all those things are valuable to them. But I also think. He's finding with some stops and starts as far as the line of goes finding his way with his Lakers team. I guess he thinks a little added intensity will help that. All right. Let's stick with basketball tough game for the Houston Rockets last night, which comes after a tough start to the season for the Houston. Rockets James harden continues to miss time with a hamstring injury and Houston lost to Portland one of four eighty five and Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony combined to shoot eight of thirty one from the floor. And so the rockets now sit at one and five on the season tied for the worst record in the west. Here's head coach Mike tan, Tony I'm what has changed since last year. Last year we played well right now, we play crap the difference does not plan. Well, it's hard to explain sometimes we've lost swagger and more on her heels. And when you're when you're desperate is good on defense because you hair should be on fire but his bad on offense. You're in you're struggling we gotta get out of it. And we gotta keep fighting. We'll keep the spirit and these guys good guys and we'll find we'll find something. And you know, hopefully, it's not too late. But we gotta get back on a horse. We got James back office. That's a big part of our offense. No excuses injuries part of the game too. Keep trying to get guys back. Right now. The spirit, right? There's only so many days we can keep saying, well, it's early give them. Thank you hard and chance to get back. We'll give this team a chance to get back into it. Are you concerned at all Nick about one in five star for the rockets? This is to me of far greater concern at one in five. Then I talked about yesterday the Lakers two and five and not because of the one more win. But because of how the the teams have lost those games the rockets getting blown out like the rockets, they have four home losses already this year, by the way, they only lost seven times at home all of last season. And those losses are all my more than ten points. They only had one such loss all of last season. Lest by nineteen to the pelicans eleven to Utah twenty the clippers nineteen to Portland yesterday. They never lead and they were down by twenty eight at one point like last season. They started twenty five and four this year. They're one in five I understand Chris Paul suspended now hardens injured, but this team is not being competitive in these game. Thus far. That's why the one in five is so concerning. It's not the easily could be three and three. No, they couldn't. They couldn't easily be three and three. It's hard to imagine them. Getting blown out is many times as they have without having hard to lineup. You still think that they are the big three that being mellow that being Chris, Paul hard? Now the line of Chris Paul looks nothing like a superstar mellow. I take exception with mellow like he's nowhere near any type of star player. You know, he's not going to be good on the defensive end. They're just not as talented thinking about not playing good basketball their rosters, not as good. So now this season. They can't sustain an injury. Like they could last year last year they had injuries, but they were able to overcome all except the last one that Chris Paul in the Western Conference final. They're not as good, and there's a certain amount of reality to this. And they're going to be struggling for seating. Even when hardened comes back because they got a very weak bench. But this is the team that many people thought was the only team in the league that could really. Compete with Golden State. This is the one team that we're going to win. Now, we're gonna go after Jimmy Butler. We're going to do everything we can because we have a shot this year to compete with Golden State. What happened they this for Daryl Morey? And for James harden. There has to be a bit of deja vu four years ago. The rockets were coming off a Western Conference finals loss to the Golden State Warriors. They won fifty six games that year people thought they were gonna be right back in it the next year, and they went forty one and forty one and crept to the eight seat that then the following year. They got better than they add Chris Paul and you saw the ad, but there's does seem to be a bit of an inability for this team after a great season where you come close to ratchet up the intensity game on the following season to get it feels like it's such a long trek to where you end up wanting to get to that. They're not starting the season off with the requisite level of intensity attention to detail last year. Hard miss ten games. They were six and four like they managed in. Those ten games. James harden missed a we can't say, oh, you don't have hardened. So that's going to happen. Like this team. You were seeing the warning signs before hard left the fourth game of the year with his hamstring. And also, we sit there and watch the warriors play the Knicks this besides them being an MBA this done similarly there in western there's nothing similar about where Golden State is. You talked about how much fun they seem to be having their little routines. They enjoy seeing and they don't even have cousins back with them. Another all-star Houston's going the other way. So no, this isn't the team. There is no team in the NBA. So unless there's some blockbuster trade, it is Golden State in the rest of them. And James harden prior to his injury was the only guy on the team playing at the level or close lovely played last year. PJ Tucker's been worse this year Clint Capella who got that big contract extension. This off season has not been the defensive player of the year candidate that the rockets thought he was going to be you're right. That Chris Paul has not looked like Chris. Paul yet this season how much that was the suspension and how much of that is getting himself into full regular season shape. I don't know and mellows been awful like that is undeniable mellows not in the top hundred and thirty feeling. I did my best. I said I was doing try with mellow. So so when harden comes back if it got someone like Jimmy Butler could he make the Jimmy Butler thing we would have to redo all the mad at one player one Jimmy Butler player away from all back together from if they add Jimmy Butler, they reassert themselves as one of the very very best teams in the league. But you guys know where I stand on Golden State. I think Golden State right now as presently constituted is far and away the best team. And that's before they add DeMarcus cousins, that's where I think they are. But it also looks like Minnesota is just flatly not going to trade Jimmy Butler. Like, Tom typical I think's going to make the owner fire him to trae Jimmy Butler because they're not going to get a better offer than four unprotected first round picks. That's literally the most picks hanger allowed to offer and Houston offered it. So I don't think Jimmy Butler is coming. What's the biggest issue that this rockets has if you could fix one thing? What's what's their biggest issue? I knew they would struggle losing. Trevor reason you just can't just say, oh, you know, all he wasn't. That good, but the intangible things that he provide the limp the to constant not down shooting that they could rotate they had another two or three guys who could knock down three pointers. That's a they don't have enough shotmakers if you're gonna play that style, and you're gonna have the analytics and everything they don't have enough shotmakers on this way knew that with the loss of a reason tape particularly early in the year defensively, they probably weren't gonna be the same team. No one could have been -ticipant. It'd be a bottom five offense right now. They're a bottom five often. What was the thing last year? See with twenty games left. They had the best offense in the history of professional basketball on a per possession basis. Right now, they have a worse off into the Phoenix Suns like come on. And so that can't just be you've missed some of your best players for a couple of games. It's systemic right now in Houston. And if I were my pal Daryl Morey, I'd be concerned can't be getting blown out four home games already this year. All right. Let's take a break. Coming back. Being smart rated. Mary's making the. I'm just saying things while they're their conversation. We're back after this. Back to the show maintained joins us. Happy Halloween coach just up for the festivities. Thank you so much. It did. Yep. Former Browns coach that's what I'm going to this year. In cleveland. Get together. Great that funny. Bumping each other. Club. The third Friday of the month for together. Need more space coach visiting the NFL yesterday that'll happen when you put a deadline on trades. We call it a trade deadline a lot of talk about where Broncos wide receiver to marry Thomas would be traded turns out it was the Texans after losing will fuller for the year the Texans acquired Thomas from Denver for a fourth round pick in a swap seventh rounders so Thomas will pair up with the undre Hopkins. Texans continue their playoff push start with you coach. What impact Thomas have on this Texans offense? I really liked this right now, I I was present Houston do anything with former Denver player faced off the Brock Tober fest. But they went back to it losing we'll fuller and to be able to get a player about quality player at this point in the season is really hard. You look at the waiver wire at the beginning season. There's not much there when you get to mid season to try to get a guy that can actually have an impact on what you're doing. It's almost impossible to do. So to losing we'll fuller and being able to replace them with Damaris Thomas. I think is a great situation for that man and Tennessee is trending the right direction. Texans, texas. The Texans are Tennessee's not training. Turning the right direction. And I think this is going open up things offensively. It's a big physical guy who maybe hasn't produced as well as he has in the past. But if you get them reinvigorated, you get him into a team that has a real chance, and you send a strong message the rest of the team that we're going to do whatever we need to do to to to move forward. So we know that Mary Thomas's production has dropped off significantly since Peyton Manning. Stop being the quarterback there. Now part of that might be deteriorating skills part of that might be the the tactic masquerading quarterback play. This will be the best quarterback. He's gotten to play with since he was having Pro Bowl caliber seasons in Denver with Peyton Manning. Now, he doesn't have the same skill set. His willfuller like the Texans had a really good wide receiver duo, but not a deep wide receiving corps, which I think they made this move. Deandre Hopkins is one of the best in the league and will fuller who was one of the best deep threats in the league. And they like the kid they drafted KiKi Cutie. As a as a rookie slot receiver. They draft in the fourth round this year. I think but after that Sammy coats and guys that are practice squad type of players. So I understand the morning to plug into Mary's Thomas opposite de'andre Hopkins, but he brings a very different skill set them. We'll fuller did willful or brought straight-line speed. He had an excellent report with with Shawn Watson on the deep ball. I don't know if to marry his brings that, but I do think he's better than Sammie Coates. I do think he makes them better right now with the Texan say is we're five and three in a winnable division. We potentially if the patriots or chiefs backslide, maybe we somehow turn owing three into a by like we could we're going to go for right now and giving up just a fourth round pick. When you're probably gonna win your division. I don't think that's overpaying for Damaris. I could say he's a solid receiver. That's about as high as I can take it right now sometime his hands are not dependable sometimes you don't get the type of effort. You think you're going to get out of the body type? I mean, his dimensions are amazing almost six five. Two hundred twenty five pounds used to be able to run for four every day. Now, you don't necessarily see that. So I worry can they get him in that possession role and build a feed him because I believe disarm Watson will make him a better white receiver. But are is hands going to be dependable I know in the locker room, he's a hardworking guy he will fit into the locker room. He's not a high maintenance guy you have not seen him through all the criticism. The last several years in Denver do a bunch of complaining. So he will fit in to what Bill O'Brien is doing and the Texans. They are trying at five and three their roster. Get better when you had to marry Thomas to it. This is this is an interesting Texans team to figure out they're five and three. But Nick points out. These are close wins two weeks. They pretty close does this actually make them legit contenders. Agency. AFC losing will fuller. I think would've would've hurt their chances dramatically, and that's why this trade was very important because of your pushing all the coverage to Hopkins which most teams do that second guy has to have the ability to make you pay. And if you don't have that second threat that can make you pay when you when you take away the first guy, then then you become less than one dimensional. So that's why I think this is really important that does this put them over the edge. I think this keeps them where they were keeps them pretty close to where they were with losing will fuller to your point Gina because of the way they had one prior to these two weeks. They didn't have a big margin of error. They don't have a good offensive line back. They one of the worst in football. They are not an effective running team. We know that they have a lot of talent defensively, and for some reason up until last week's it'd been kind of playing hot and cold, rather your hadn't been the consistency. You would have hoped. Once you lose fuller to coaches point in these. The defense was going to have won one game playing one game plan only. Stop the Andre Hopkins. Now that they have to marry his Thomas they at least have to be cognizant of the threat opposite deandre Hopkins. Which I don't think they would have had to be if it Samy coach out there. One thing if I'm the wide receiver coach for Houston. I'm little more concerned a high get him involved in offense because he's limited for what he can do. He's typically the X the boundary receiver typically he has not gone in motion. So Nick point out. He's been he's gonna get a lot of single coverage. Coach point is going to be a lot of single covers. He's been getting that opposite manual Sanders. So that's not going to change. He's not like golden Tate, golden Tate. You can do more things to him golden Tate. You can move him around and go and take a so good after the catch. So I look for golden Tate to have a bigger impact in Philadelphia compared to Damaris what he's going to do for the Texans. Curiously Chris with Shawn Watson and all the plays that he makes off script. How is that going to play into his skill set? How what kind of an impact can he make when the plays breakdown to Sean moving around. Round and see how he fits in that part of the equation, which I'm not I don't really know at this point how that's gonna look this year to that point the few big plays down the field. He has made has been when Jin guy case is running around off schedule cases been actually quite good this year on those the one thing he's been quite good at this. You're is those deep passes rolling out or win. The protection breaks down. I wanna ask you one question. See why does a player aside from quarterback change? Why would a player who was seemingly on this trajectory go maybe this one or even down the way Demaria's has during what is age wise. What you say should probably have been the prime of. He's a great player. You think at thirty everyone thinks everyone's gonna play till the thirty two thirty three. We don't know where the ceiling is. We don't know if Peyton Manning brought the ceiling was that the ceiling for him was that is good is he's going to get. And that's what I thought. That's as good as he's going to get. He was a good player. Never a great player. Great. Attitude. He's got a good story personally off the field. But we don't know how how how high the buildings supposed to be is it to be eight stories. It's supposed to be eighty. Now. A lot of times we think because guys trend, and we think we know we don't know most of the time is this guy Costa tapped out and Peyton Manning, and that system Adam gays what they had there in Denver was really really special and that brought the best football with him that football. We'll never see again. And it's gonna be interesting to this is the first time he's played for anybody else. This his whole world has changed dramatically. How that can impact. Is it going to add some energy some fuel some motivation for him to try to get to that eighty floor that that to me is another exciting part of this case keenum gotta take a break. Coach stick around coming up. Aaron Rodgers furious that the Packers were sellers at the deadline next thing. Particularly given what you've got back for him. I thought it was a good move and people outside the building's perception was that that signalling you packing it in and were in full rebuild boat. I pack nothing we pack in anything in. We're working as hard as we have ever worked. Someone makes a phone call to you in the middle of the night. And makes you an offer that you think helps this franchise the raiders you make that move. That was a sneak peek of how long's interview with Jon Gruden. You can catch the rest of it tomorrow on Thursday night football when the raiders take on the forty Niners. It all starts at seven thirty eastern on FOX Senate del network and streaming on prime video joke. How we should be very interesting that back here. Coachman genie. Coach guesses. Got a nice haircut. Oh, yeah. Isn't that waiting for a while some bad ones, guess is no longer Green Bay Packer? I'll just I'm gonna tell you. It's time on Gumri after he returned to kick off. He wasn't supposed to after he fumbled. When he definitely wasn't supposed to Green Bay dealt Montgomery to the ravens for a seventh round pick. But wait, there's more. They also sent Pro Bowl safety hawk Clinton Dix to Washington in exchange for a fourth round pick. So Packers currently sitting at three three and one being big aggressive at the trade deadline coach we used the prize. Green Bay were big sellers at the deadline Noma silly. When when you look at this sometimes it's a dish in by subtraction. And. Obviously the they felt differently than Montgomery feld in terms of how clear was whether he should bring it out of the end zone. We talked about that yesterday where he said he wasn't really happen. I think told him that he should say in the end zone. He decided to come out, then he came out and said, they never told me that. And now he's in Baltimore for future. Not even this year. Seventh rounder twenty twenty seventh round pick. Yes. So it was one of those things where okay, let's it's time. It's time to say goodbye. And then with high Clinton Dix, I know we tag Pro Bowl onto a lot of players, but a lot of players make the Pro Bowl. Now that injury was injuries. The teams in the Super Bowl or. It's different the Pro Bowl distinction. The old pro distinction. We know that. Yeah. It's it's a little it can be a little bit deceiving. And we're came out and said, it doesn't look like I'm going to be a Green Bay Packer next year as soon as you start talking about next year and how you're not going to be with that team. Organizationally? You're thinking is this guy really going to push through injuries as he gonna make the sacrifices that we need to make the season goes on or is he going to start to make businesses. And so if you get an opportunity to secure draft pick, and that's that's a good draft pick for for him. And you feel strongly enough about the players. They have to me, I think that makes sense as well. Listen, I get that some guys make a Pro Bowl because they're an alternate. And some guys make a Pro Bowl legitimately. But then don't play at that level anymore. Are pro football focus, se the two best healthy, safeties and football. This year have been DJ swearing jer and haha Clinton Dix Washington now has both of them. That was really interesting clip. I hadn't seen that. Where swear? During Clinton Dix end up slap in five after a big play during the Washington. Green Bay game earlier this year, very very odd. Right. Very very odd for you to be making an interception now, I understand that. There's a fraternity in the league fraternity based on your position. But I'm not going to be dappling guy. After he intercepted my quarterback. So these as ways in cat DJ and haha Clinton Dix. I don't know what made them come together. They get right teammates, though, a week after haha picked it off. So it was just an odd exchange. I just picked up there. But here's the thing is this the Packers are not better today than they were yesterday unless there is so much more to the locker room stuff. I forget the time Montgomery thing. I don't care about that. I'm talking about just the safety unless there's so much more to him being upsetting to contract extension, by the way, this is the type of player you should extend. This is the type of player you draft. The only first round pick. You've taken you've taken defensive guys six years in the first round the. Only one to make a Pro Bowl through Hooker croak injury. Whatever is this player. He's playing at a high level. And you've decided you don't want them on your team next year. And evidently, you don't want on your team the rest of this year, your three three and won the leaders your division or four and three and have a quarterback. They do not trust you ever Aaron Rodgers. I think you just play your best game of the year. Why are you sellers right now? That's the part. I don't get. Why are you sellers? Pro football, focus, right ranked him. And you know, obviously, they say it must be true. But when you when you look at a guy like this the impact in the locker room that that stuff is real. But we don't hear about it. And and who knows what he's saying about the way the scheme is set up. Who knows what he's saying? There's a lot of ways that you can undercut the situation that you're in and the defense is actually playing better than it has in a while. So he may have been a pro bowler on a defense. That was not historically very good. And you have a chance to push forward and potentially take a situation that's negative right now and remove yourself from it. Watch for both organizations. I like the player that Washington's going to get like he's been partner there with the swinging. They bring a physical presence ha gives them ability to build a cover a little more in-space than than DJ does. But as coach said, we don't know the Intel on the player, the general manager, I'm gonna give him benefit of the doubt. Just like I do every other general manager to build a wait to see what is plan is even if he hadn't told me what his plan is like gentleman did when we discussed the other day. So I'm going to watch this. He obviously ha was not going to be one of his guys into the future. They obviously made a decision not to extend him. So how it was probably upset about that. And anytime you start communicating to the media something that didn't need to be communicated you're under contract. So I could see I could see also this being one of many moves, even not only personnel wise. But I wouldn't be surprised Green Bay moved off their coach like I wouldn't be surprised with the opening in Cleveland and with. Dorsey being a system guy in coming from that Andy retrieved typically you like hiring people that you're familiar in your close to. So I think Cleveland we'll be looking at Green Bay's coats, so trade for them. I don't know what I know what you're going to call it. But it just we just look at the season. Green bay. I looked at this season. Turned the other way in the move on from their coaches that way they moved on from these players yesterday anything with the coaching though would happen in the off season. And that I understand entirely I don't look at the Packers team right now. Or I look at the Packers. I should say team that is still a contender as a team that is up against the toughest month and their season. I actually think they should feel good about how the first major test went. They hate how it ended. But they've got to feel like we dominated the Rams in the first half until the final three minutes. We were in position to have the ball and Aaron Rodgers hands down less than a field goal with two minutes to go and get. Let one game affect how you plan on moving into the future. I just believe the general manager has certain things that he wants to do certain players that are not going to they had to get time. A gummy off that roster anytime the coach gets to the podium in the coach says I told him the state now, you're either a fool to get up there to to go against what he said because I know the Green Bay Packers told him gave him special specific instruction there. There's no way that they told him exactly the same thing. They told him for any other kickoff. So once you say that, and then you have the player come out and say that he made the raw mistake there. He was being very very selfish. It's time move on because he's not going to be comfortable working anymore. And the reason Nick that I think is more to the story is all the points that you do make this is a young safety. This is a guy who has had some success and gone to a Pro Bowl. This is a homegrown talent. All those things make you. Another general manager. That's that's a hit point. But all those things make you think that's guy he'd want to extend and the fact that they would move on from him now typically layers underneath this that we're not seeing because it doesn't add up when you look at it objectively did the Packers get better or worse yesterday with any trade trade draft picks up. We're not gonna know. And until we go down the road and see how these how the secondary works. Now when your move. Worse. But the general manager got done what he wanted to do. He's closer to his goal. He's moving this team in direction when they take one of their marquee players and move him, and they didn't have to he wasn't forced to do that. So in his mind jn, they're better than what they were yesterday. And certainly in his mind, they are positioned better. At least in the long term. It is very hard for me to see a scenario unless the locker room stuff is disastrous where they are better for the last eight games of this year without a starting caliber one of their without question. What pro football focus as one of their five best defensive players that minimum this year. They're not going to be better without him the draft picks not coming until next year. We'll know it is clear as law and order. You're you're gonna you're gonna do things the way they want him to do it. Or you're going to be doing it somewhere else. That's a pretty clear message. Cultural see later in the show. Do. Ready? Ball coming up. His all star form after last night's when I wait the whole segment, then I say this. This. This. Cowboys. They're coming off their five preparing for Monday night showdown with Tennessee tines. They'll have their new receiver Amari Cooper for whom Dallas gave up what some would call a costly first round pick is the elephant in the room that is decked Prescott upcoming contract. Jerry Jones says Amari Cooper has nothing to do with the evaluation of Dak Prescott s- future. Cd agree with Jerry. Well, it's. I just. Not unless it's like, it's like doing a show, we get evaluated on a regular basis as a show chemistry in and out of bombs. How we're doing things as far as elements, and but ultimately, it's it's really what they think about me. I mean, I know you guys are here. We're doing a show and everything, but I'm just saying as far as my evaluation. So if they like, I knew this, it's totally different. But if they liked the quarterback, and I believe that Jerry a lot like the people at FOX, they they like they and they like me. So even with my wife receivers are not number one or number two. They decide they're going to go with me anyway, because they like it, and I believe Jerry is in love with that. Now, I do believe this. It's going to come at a certain price. I believe Jerry's going to say because my offense of line when I want to do with Zeke in the future because of my rush would with Lawrence. I gotta pay him. I won't have a Dacca's my quarterback. But it's going to come at like a hometown. Discount. So he's going to try to do a Tom Brady without the championships. That's what I believe, Jerry. And the reason why collectively it's not about the town around him. Jerry's in love with Dak as his quarterback. And that's the way he's going to move. Thank you for listening to the first things first podcast. Remember leaves review and tell us what you think subscribe to the podcast on apple podcasts and catch us on f s one Monday through Friday, six thirty AM Easter for Chris Carter, Nick, right? Jenna Wolfe song? Any?

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Full Show - NFL trades, Rodgers impact, Houston issues, Cowboys

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Full Show - NFL trades, Rodgers impact, Houston issues, Cowboys

"Happy Halloween, everyone and welcome diverse things. I I'm Jenna wall. That is the hall of fame of Chris Carter that is Nick, right. All spooky voice. This morning's bookie voice that was my regular voice. It was spooky music. That was my regular start the show voice. So we're going big day of NFL trades yesterday to marry his Thomas joining Shawn Watson the Packer shipped off star defender. But why don't we start with the Philadelphia Eagles who made Carson Wentz a very happy quarterback yesterday? Philly traded a third round pick to the lions for wide receiver. Golden Tate asked why he traded for a guy on the last year of his deal. Eagles GM Howie Roseman said he's one of the most productive receivers in the league. And that his run after catch numbers are phenomenal Tate now joins the receiving core of Nelson Aguilar, and Al Sean Jeffrey artsy. What impact you think? Golden teak can have on this ego. Offense. Unlike the fact that how we Roseman the general manager he focused on the skill set as far as what it will provide not only to Carson Wentz to this offense. And in this new NFL people think that maybe Philadelphia might go for running back. There's a couple of running backs potentially could be available. Why don't they trade for them? If you can't get eight running back or you're happy with your running backs. You have to get a guy light golden Tate a guy who can play in space a guy can play in the slot. He's also played outside. He is not a just a short area quickness guy. He's not only limited to the slot. He has deep speed. So he's not a possession receiver to meet. He's one. He's one of the guys I like watching play because he's developed he left Seattle after being the third receiver there to increase role in the money in Detroit and the last four years he's been phenomenal Utah. He's the most dangerous guy after the catch. We have in. Well. What about Odal Beckham Odell doesn't get the ball as much as he does. And didn't do as much as him because the game plan what they've done in Detroit. He's been to highlight his kill set. I believe he's a tremendous addition to Philadelphia Eagles and Carson wins because he will say, well, they gave up a third round pick. That's a lot of compensation. He's in the last year of his contract if he decided to leave Philadelphia they're going to get a compensatory pick. That's probably going to be a third or four founder anyway. So I like the move to Philadelphia. It doesn't cost them that much. And if they lose him after this year, they'll build a move on getting another pick and the future those compensatory picks work like what you lose in free agency versus what you bring in free agency. So if the eagles decide to stand Pat mostly in free agency, and they let golden Tate leave. They get something back Detroit instead of getting a pick in two thousand and twenty after him leaving after this off season they're going to get the pick right now from philadel- and Detroit. I don't think would have ended up even getting a compensatory. Because I think they're going to be buyers this off season. So even if they were gonna let him go they were going to bring it enough this off season to where it would probably minimize what their compensation would be. But for the eagles, see touched on it. He is since he came into the league one of the five most productive yards after catch guys in all of football. And the most productive yard after catch high-volume guy. Meaning the other guys who have similar yard after catch numbers to him are not guys that are getting targeted one hundred plus times per season. What of the eagles struggled within the passing game this year their bottom six in the league yard after catch. So that is a puzzle piece that fits perfectly where we are missing. You are adding and that fix fits. Well, the eagles this year have one game where they've scored three. Plus where they've scored more than three touchdowns. That was the giants game one game where they've scored more than twenty four points. The giants game like Philadelphia. Yes, they had a path to victory last year. That was great defense and ground you down, but they all sort of path of we're just going to crush. You we're gonna put up thirty five points. They've only done anything close to that once all year, and it was against a terrible giant scene. But what I liked the most about this move for Philly is it's how he Roseman saying. I know the first half of the season didn't go, right? You know, what we're still going for it? We still think we can defend our crown. We still think we can win this division. Make noise in the playoffs. We're willing to give up but the eighty fifth pick of the draft for maybe only eight games in a playoff run of golden Tate. It's worth it to us because it's a shot in the arm and maybe for the guys in the locker room. It reminds them man last year. We did the change. I and helped us win a Super Bowl this year. Maybe we do with golden Tate and helps us get closer get back to it. All right before we get to how far the eagles can go with golden. You talk so much about this about offense looking very much like the starting five hundred basketball team. So tell me what golden Tate does what position he would basically play, but tween guar N, alshon, Jeffery. Okay. Let's see. Sean Jeffrey right now is their best receiver in Zach ertz tied in is very very good. So if we're going to start in five I would say Alcyone Jeffrey is going to be my center Zach ertz is going to be my power forward. I believe my scorn forwards going to golden Tate. He's a better run. After the catch Nelson. Aguilar trying to use the backs out of backfield. That's how you're able to supplement the passing attack. That's how you're able to put when I won a wide receiver unit. I wanna point guard. I want a guy can score. I want a big guy. But golden Tate is the best wide receiver on Philadelphia's roster now has the most skill with Sean Jefferies. They should look good together. Because outshone is that possession receiver Seaver red zone. Target golden Tate. He's everywhere. He's all over the field. And he's very very friendly to the quarterback. Well, what do you mean by that? He runs his routes, and he gives indicators we saw last week where two interceptions in the Minnesota game. We're called to turnover caused by the wide receivers stealing fumbling and Stefan bids give. Putting around indicator for Kirk cousins interception return for touchdown. He doesn't do that. He's a veteran wide receiver. He's played with veteran quarterbacks. And he's the kind of guy that I believe can bring a spark to Philadelphia's locker room right now. Give them the type of energy and bounce to give them a lift. So they can go on this playoff run. I wasn't sure you were going to agree with me. What you just said. I do believe he's the best wide receiver on Philly now. And that's nothing. It's out after you agree with me. Okay. We'll just say point is when I when I heard today I heard. Down I thought. Wow. I mean, he's going to come in and be their best wide or means Adler moves to third what you'll really if we're ranking them. Sure. But we're playing will in the slot. That's why there is a need for someone might gold and take Adler. We thought had a breakout season last year this year, he's kind of gone back to year number two. And he's not as important as third wide receiver isn't a lot of teams because of arts because one of your best receiving options is your tight in view of earth's Jeffrey, and golden Tate that's going to take care of the vast majority of your passing attack and no receiver in the league is broken more tackles than Tate. I am curious your opinion on what the timeframe of picking up the offenses golden has been went to Seattle then Detroit. Now, he's in Philly. How long until he can really make a true impact is still going to take time. I wouldn't see him as a full-time player for a month. I still see them plan initially twenty plays to start with also I wouldn't be surprised Patel. They moved him back to return punts. He can return some punts the Bill to try to make plays. I know the Peterson they know the urgency to so when you have a player that has come from two good situations. I looked at him to be a smart football player. He's got a high football IQ. So they'll try and the next two weeks. How can we get him to plan twenty thirty plays and also some of those bubble screens and things like that? They not real real sophisticated. I think those things can be implemented in week number and Philly by the way on a buy this week coming off the London game. So you won't have to worry about anything for at least another twelve days second year in a row. Howie Roseman went out and got aggressive and picked up someone Jj I last year and golden Tate this year. Can you see this often starting to put it together? Can you see them getting back to where they were last year with what the team looks like right now maybe back to helps. But he he's not gonna help Jason Peterson left tackle he's not going to help lane. The right tackle because they have not played good football. So yes, they have more weapons. They have more things to get the ball. I like the fact that even though golden can be a deep threat. He's so good run after catch. You can throw him the ball right now. So that will help offense of line. It's almost like an extended running game, but they gotta get their offensive line ago. And personally Jason Peters after coming back taken reduction in salary. This is the worst football. I've seen him play in at least ten years. So that's what I'm going to be watching that offense align in Philadelphia. Even though they have one more weapon to build throw to enlist and Philly understand the situation there up against Washington's five into with as I've said before the softest remaining strength of schedule and football. The eagles are foreign four and they five divisional games left. Here's their non divisional games at the Rams at the saints and home for the Texans. Those are three divisional leaders right now. In addition to having to play Washington twice having to play Dallas twice so eighties. Philly knows they've got find a way to Adam minimum go six into so. So this was the best available player they could acquire. They did it. Now, if they end up going four and four in the second half, and they lose golden Tate. They're going to say, maybe this was a shot they want back. But he also one of the golden Tate is he is a fiery personality. He's a guy that is no he had the skirmishes with Percy Harbin back in the day with Seattle. Like he's going to bring an edge to that locker room that could be useful for a team that right now almost like in a post Super Bowl Malays. So I I like this move Philadelphia Eagles pick up golden Tate. Not by the way, from California from Tennessee. We'll talk about that in the break coming up should Aaron Rodgers be periods that the Packers were sellers at the deadline. That's next first thing. For things. Spot sports is teamed up with four the win for the college football fan index. So each week you that fan will be ranking college football experiences and this week. We're ranking Bess on the uniforms a Michigan coming in the top spot followed by Notre Dame, air force and Florida state. What do you think? Nick, Michigan Notre Dame do have conic uniforms. I like the USC uniforms at the top of my head as uniforms that I think like in that late afternoon. West coast, sun, great, see, what's Ohio State, now aside, do you have a particular college football uniform? No, I don't think even those traditional uniforms and everything I don't think they're the best Notre Dame in Michigan have the best helmets shore. Okay. And I know that's a huge part of the uniform their helmets are conic. And I just remember watching them on Saturdays is a kid that those school older Notre Dame helmets. More than the newer shinier. They seem to have. Added almost like a Nike Oregon flair to the helmets lately. That's not quite like what it's a little off color to write the helmets. Are I kind of got love golden dome. Irs getting done Oregon. They change in uniform. Oregon's got thirty five. I'll get to the Packers fire sound second. But I agree cleanly shaven dazzles us with the behind the back move floated over Blake Griffin. Imagine that the kyri Irving starts looking guy rearming, and he starts looking like Irving kyri had a great half. Let us know he wasn't playing really good before. This look very good last night looked far more explosive and keep you haircut. Loman is a better look for the hair the beard all looked like vintage kyri same game. Reggie jackson. Brings the ball up. Gets bumped Dale hits the three. Ooh. Hell we mouth then building out there. He's looking for the foul there. It was right before the half. So he has to throw it up. But that's. Onto heck of a shot man to really was next errands. Ferguson with a perfect alleyoop rest Westbrook against the clippers this game. Put him up twenty with a few minutes left the little exclamation point Ruslana into this game last night. Now, he don't like Patrick. Beverley? No, no, no. He was into this one rock in the baby all night doing that little celebration. I love Russell much Terrence versions. Nice little emerging player for them moving onto yesterday's tread. Dateline guesses. No longer. Green Bay Packer. All right. So the guessing game doesn't really work on TV time. Montgomery after return to kick off. He wasn't supposed to then. Fumbled. When he definitely wasn't supposed to Green Bay dealt Montgomery to the ravens for a seventh round pick. But wait, there's more. They also sent Pro Bowl safety ha ha Clinton Dix not funny to Washington in exchange for a fourth round pick. So the Packers sit at three three and one chasing the foreign three Chicago Bears nickel start with you. We surprise. The Packers were such big. Sellers at the deadline. The time Gumri thing doesn't matter much to me that one is not I'm not that surprised by the ha ha Clinton Dix. Trade was shocking to me. I understand that. He's appending free agent this coming year. And maybe they thought they weren't going to sign him. But look at the teams that either are the best teams in football or have older quarterbacks that you don't know what the window will be and what they did the saints. They added Eli apple a week ago. The patriots they were in the market, and they added Josh, Gordon. And we thought they might add more the Rams we're the best team in football. They added Dante Fowler. Chiefs were in the market for Thomas before he broke his leg. The Packers have Aaron Rodgers in near fourteen. They're not in first place in their division. They're in a dogfight. So let's get rid of the best defensive player. We've draft in the last six years. Let's get rid of a guy who pro football focus says has been the second best safety in all of this year. Why so we can have the hundred and fifteenth pick of the upcoming draft. This is just another example to me of the Packers not understanding the asset. They have an Rodgers and the Packers adding to the degree of difficulty for the most talented player in the league, this this trade surprised me and as a football fan angered me because I don't understand what really is doing. Actually, he's going to be partnered there with DJ swearing pro football, focus as deejays weren't just second. Earl Thomas, I and ha ha Clinton Dixon third. I left out because he's injured for the year. So these two safety's now not only does he help the Washington Redskins. But he kills one of their best players now DJ swearing. He doesn't have to play in the mill to field because that's how Dixon that's where he plays in the Millfield high Dixon's better in man-to-man coverage if you wanna match him up and put DJ square in coverage somewhere else. So it makes the Washington Redskins. Let you know that they are trying to win. He's. A good football player. I believe underrate when you play with Aaron Rodgers and you play with some of the bad defensive players in bad defensive scheme. Green Bay's had it's hard to give a player like him that type of activates now he has been voted into the Pro Bowl in pro football, focus hasn't ranked as one the top safety. But he's not a player. We talk about the Redskins. I believe like unique. They got a lot better yesterday in picking up ha ha Clinton Dix. I hear this. I don't understand what are the backers. Doing. What are they doing? They play the patriots this week in a couple of weeks there at the Vikings after that they have another tough road game at Seattle. Do they think they're done to the Packers are the Packers? They're not going to say it. But they think they're going to miss the playoffs for the first time with a healthy Aaron Rodgers since he became the full time starter is that what they're telling us are the Packers just saying like we have a new general manager. We wanna let him have as many assets as possible and Brian Guten coons this upcoming year because I look at the ice. I thought the backers should be encouraged by what happened last week. You went to the Rams the only undefeated team in football and not for bonehead play time. Montgomery. I believe you win that game. You dominate the first half. It takes three spectacular special teams plays by the Rams for them to beat you by two points, and your reaction to that is to get rid of one of your best defenders certainly your best player in the secondary. I know gyro exam to the rookie is playing very well. But hoc Clinton Dix is the most established guy. The Packers over last seven years every year spent the first round pick on a defensive player. He's the best one they've drafted. And now you move on from him. I don't this is perplexing to me. I like all the moves over the course of the last couple of years at the Green Bay Packers have made with Aaron Rodgers have seemingly been perplexing. It's one of these. We have Aaron Rodgers everything else will figure out a way to work itself out. Are you a surprise with what the Packers data's nNcholas? I'm not surprised, and you know, Nichols, a lot more emotion attached to it like, I could care less. What the pack like they've been they've been doing things their own way. So why would I mostly get attached to they changed organisation? They changed the structure they have a new general manager there. He's starting to make changes to Bill things his way. I don't know where he's heading. So I'm just going to give him time. He just took over he made a couple coaching changes. He made a couple of personnel changes that I believe are far more than exit. Does I think it's about fitting in long-term to his plans? I believe that's why he moved off of these two players. I'm just. Going to be patient because he just took over. I'm not going to put him under a sense of urgency because of Aaron Rodgers body clock. That's not his fault. He just took over the team. He should have the same amount of time that we get other teams to build tried to put his type of fingerprint on the organization, what type of players he wants to have moving forward. I don't know what he's going to do. But there will be a lot of is own Green Bay to watch. And see what's his next move. And what's to meaning behind him? No matter who their quarterback was I would think a guy you drafted one of the best players drafted. Your organization is drafted who is coming up on free agency playing some of the best football his career. That's the type of player. Do you want to extend? That's the type of player that after this year you hoping to bring back, but I just I want to remind the Green Bay Packers something because we have gotten a little skewed by the last twenty five years of far to Rogers. There was listen you had Lombardi and star you want all those championships. You. You've been in. You've been playing pro football a year longer than the NFL is existed. There was a twenty five year stretch between star before farve where you one one playoff game. And it was an a strike year a twenty five year stretch where you had two seasons in totality where you one double digit games. Like when Aaron Rodgers is done. There is nothing to say you won't go back to that. This isn't the Steelers that had been relevant in every decade, the NFL has ever existed. This team went through a long drought. We know they're not going to be a viable superstar free agent destination. At least they haven't been in the past the way, you're going to get great players drafting them and keeping them not drafting them and trading them. While you're making a play all Packers go with what they have now. Sure. Because of because of twelve but it just got harder. They were marginal playoff team before they made the trait. Right. So it's up that they won't make the playoffs. All right. Let's take a break. We'll talk more about this over the course of the show coming up, though pan. Climb for the Huston rocket one in five that's next. In the best players play in the biggest game. Time star Blake Griffin joins the show he super tall. We're gonna have to adjust the lighting that is tomorrow right here. See I wonder how feel about your open dunk contest idea. Now got someone we can ask or you gotta fix it up. He's a little big. I gotta fix it up. When the studio I get really aggressive. They not in studio studio. We've been Blake's played while this year old area Blake this season. He's got one of those system coaches. I grew up with who designs often, Mike Nora. He runs often with him. Yes. You want same high school? I didn't know that excited for Blake tomorrow time for us to go viral. Russell Westbrook's been doing a rock the baby celebration after some of his baskets this season. He was asked about it after last night's win against the clippers. And here's what he had to say. No kids. Sleep located. Guards. And literally need a second explanation for the first explanation. It was saying that's what you do with your little babies, right? And he's saying that offenders are like his base, and he's rocking. Yeah. He's saying. It's like I throw you the ball on the low post team your own some you have the ball. Okay. Right. Knicks gardening. Right. You just take your time with them because you're going to take them the school. So you just rock him to sleep. Do you take them to the whole? That's what he's talking about is the explanation. Really? That's that was wonderful Senator into the whole, I usually have to work as translator for you. And you the right there worked as translator for Jenna. That was one. That was great teamwork. Just always on the bad end of no. Yeah. So I'm Rockin bad thing today, so far and that was that ridiculous. Golden Tate stales best things I've said, but I did for something to happen stories to start your morning brought to you by unexpected energy Exxon Mobil. All right. So the first edition of the college football playoff rankings came out yesterday. No surprise guys, Alabama at number one followed by Clemson LSU when Notre Dame Durand out the top four C C. You're shaking your head. Did the committee get this, right? Yeah. It's pretty easy to start off with Alabama. Clemson LSU Notre Dame. They had the great win over Michigan. Start to season followed that up the Bill to stay unblemished. Yeah. It's going to be an exciting race. It of white world's going to be exciting for the mother three van was going to be. There is going to be there. And with the way this sets up bama's toughest game remaining this season until the playoff is this weekend at LSU, and they the way the sets up they could lose it LSU and still end up in the playoff assuming they beat off. Iron and the iron bowl like Bama has almost locked up their playoff spot already with how the rankings are and how they've played. But I think the committee got it right early on moving on to a showdown of two great quarterbacks. Tom Brady taken on Aaron Rodgers in Foxborough Sunday night. How about this? They're facing off for only the second time in their careers Brady said Aaron Rodgers is inspiring even for me, see what he make a brief comments. Aaron Rodgers even inspiring even even one more Super Bowls than anyone. Someone. They're nice little I get I get it, Tom. I understand. That's my take. Must be must be held to Tom. You ever see the click of Viansa was being interviewed. And someone said just introduce or said, you're beyond say and her response was thank you. It was just like that word Tom Brady is it's like even by my it was like when you ask Dion Sanders. Dionne he said your greatest he didn't lie. Sean, I can't believe these guys have only played once against each other. I get it because you're in different conferences during play once every four years, but that's crazy now curry Irving had his best performance of the young season. Thirty one points on sixteen shots along with five boards and five assists. Boston beats the pistons won await one of five which you make a chi- Reese, performance, Nick, the only disappointing thing is that we were surprised by that it took a couple of weeks of the season for Cairo to have by his standards. A really good Pat a few awful games. But he got a shave a haircut and started looking like himself again. And this was a game. The Celtics were in firm control of until about four minutes left. The pistons hit a bunch of threes to make it close at the end. But I mean, this is what the Celtics need from Kyrie what they expect from. This is the first game in seven games genita-. I thought he was the best Celtics other games. I thought he was either second third some games fourth best. Celtic so nice to see. Him come back from the two point performance nights to see him seems like he went to a spa gotta steam shower shave little. Yeah. He definitely he looked like you need to clint's. I finally Lonzo ball took some of the blame for the Lakers recent struggles at a rough Monday night, which is four points, one assists. Lonzo says he's not doing his job and needs to be more engaged. All right, Nick. What did you make of lonzo's comments? I respect that the young players taking some of this on himself. I don't think engagement has been his issue. I think Lonzo very rarely do I watch him. And it looks like he's just going through the motions when he saying engage. I think that in his second year in the league, he's starting to realize that there's a certain level of intensity that he hasn't been engaged to is not as if he's engaged not engaged, but he's not engaged at the level that he needs to be engaged in some time through competence to competition. You see that these guys are? Operating at a higher level of intensity than I am now from his his body language in his normal like that's his normal MO, but it's not going to work for him in the NBA. Like we were worried about him last year. Like how intense will he be game in and game out? And I think that's what he's talking about. When he says engaged he's talking about the overall intensity for which he's going about doing his work. But you don't want him to change his approach. Like, there are guys who are very successful. Who aren't nearly like Steph? Curry is not an intense guy. He seems to have a laid back approach. You just wanting do want him to change his approach. I mean, go ahead. See Steph is intense you and I sat behind Steph curry, and we were there thirty minutes before the game. Now, I typically do a good job of getting the icon tech guys dream onset. What's DeMarcus cousins, what's up to me K D because he was like he mean, but me but staff did not into the crowd. He has an intense pre. Game routine. He's working on his muscles. He's working on his shooting motion. He's got these things he does and Steph has a fun personality. But inside the game. He's intense that what he wants to do. I would compare Steffes during the game demeanor almost to a long striding football player that looks like they're not running hard when they actually are like some things come. So we bring people would say, oh, he's loafing. But if you weren't a time he's running out of four four like where Steph it comes. He's so fluid and it comes so naturally to him. It might maybe looks like he's not trying hard as he is for Lonzo. Either. Lonzo's biggest issue is right now, he doesn't know what exactly his role is. I think his issue was aren't injured. I'm off the bench. I'm now in the starting lineup like, but we'll LeBron's going to dominate the ball. I think he hasn't found his footing this year with the team, but the other much more tangible issue is this if you scared to go to the foul line, and you don't have an intermediate. That game. Then how often to player he's only jump shooter? And that's a problem. Right. Because he's a good athlete. He can get to the rim. But guys they can get to the rim have to be okay with getting fouled. This has been the Lakers. Now, they're two point guards or two guys. That would rather pass the bold and go to the free throw line. And that's a pro like you can take that at times from big from a center, especially because they're going to get so many touches down in the post. But if you beat your man, and you you got a clear path the basket, and then you see a big coming over is going to have to value to stop you. You gotta be okay with that. And Lonzo on the year. What shot ten free throws? No, I'm sorry. Seven free throws on the season like that. And we talked about this last year about his his lack of wanting to get to the line. And that one is I understand is not good free. Throw shooter got to work through that. Because a getting the other team in the bonus getting yourself in the bones getting team foul. Trouble scoring with all those things are valuable to them. But I also think. He's finding with some stops and starts as far as the line of goes finding his way with this Lakers team. I guess he thinks a little added intensity will help that. All right. Let's stick with basketball tough game for the Houston Rockets last night, which comes after a tough start to the season for the Houston. Rockets James harden continues to miss time with a hamstring injury. And Houston loss to Portland one of four eighty five and Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony combined to shoot eight of thirty one from the floor. And so the rockets now sit at one and five on the season tied for the worst record in the west. Here's head coach Mike dantonio what has changed since last year? Replayed. Well, right now, we play crap the difference does not plan. Well, it's hard to explain sometimes we've lost swagger and more on her heels. And when you're when you're desperate is good on defense because you hair should be on fire but his bad on offense. You're in you're struggling we gotta get out of it. And we gotta keep fighting. We'll keep the spirit and these guys are good guys. And like I said, we'll find we'll find something. And you know, hopefully, it's not too late. But we gotta get back on a horse. We got James back office. That's a big part of our offense. No excuses injuries part of the game too. Keep trying to get guys back. Right now. Spirit, right? There's only so many days we can keep saying, well, it's early give them. Thank you hardened chance to get back. We'll give this team a chance to get back into it. Are you concerned at all Nick about one in five star for the rockets? This is to me of far greater concern at one in five than for example, even talked about yesterday the Lakers two and five and not because of the one more win. But because of how the the teams have lost those games. The rockets are getting blown out like the rockets they have four home losses already this year, by the way, they only lost seven times at home all of last season. And those losses are all my more than ten points. They only had one such loss all of last season by nineteen to the pelicans eleven to Utah twenty the clippers nineteen to Portland yesterday. They never lead and they were down by twenty eight at one point like last season. They started twenty five and four this year. They're one in five I understand Chris Paul suspended now hardens injured, but this team is not being competitive in these game. Thus far. That's why the one in five is so concerning. It's not the easily could be three and three. No, they couldn't. They couldn't easily be three and three. It's hard to imagine them. Getting blown out is many times as they have without having Hartnett lineup. You still think that they are the big three that being mellow that being Chris, Paul hard? Now the line of Chris Paul looks nothing like a superstar mellow. I take exception with mellow like he's nowhere near any type of star player. You know, he's not going to be good on the defensive end. They're just not as talented thinking about not playing good basketball their rosters, not as good. So now this season. They can't sustain an injury. Like they could last year last year they had injuries, but they were able to overcome all except the last one that Chris Paul in the Western Conference final. They're not as good, and there's a certain amount of reality to this. And they're going to be struggling for seeding. Even when hardened comes back because they got a very weak bench. But this is the team that many people thought was the only team in the league that could really. Compete with Golden State. This is the one team that we're going to win. Now, we're gonna go after Jimmy Butler. We're going to do everything we can because we have a shot this year to compete with Golden State. What happened they this for Daryl Morey? And for James harden. There has to be a bit of deja vu four years ago. The rockets were coming off a Western Conference finals loss to the Golden State Warriors. They won fifty six games that year people thought they were gonna be right back in it the next year, and they went forty one and forty one and crept to the eight seat that then the following year. They got better than they add Chris Paul and you saw the ad, but there's does seem to be a bit of an inability for this team after a great season where you come close to ratchet up the intensity game on the following season to get it feels like it's such a long trek to where you end up wanting to get to that. They're not starting the season off with the requisite level of intensity attention to detail last year. Hard miss ten games. They were six and four like they managed in. Those ten games. James harden missed a we can't say, oh, you don't have hardened. So that's going to happen. Like this team. You were seeing the warning signs before hard left the fourth game of the year with his hamstring. And also, we sit there and watch the warriors play the Knicks this besides them being an MBA this done similarly there in western there's nothing similar about where Golden State is. You talked about how much fun they seem to be having their little routines. They enjoy seeing and they don't even have cousins back with them. Another all-star Houston's going the other way. So no, this isn't the team. There is no team in the NBA. So unless there's some blockbuster trade, it is gone state in the rest of them. And James harden prior to his injury was the only guy on the team playing at the level or close lovely played last year. PJ Tucker's been worse this year Clint Capella who got that big contract extension. This off season has not been the defensive player of the year candidate that the rockets thought he was going to be you're right. That Chris Paul has not looked like Chris. Paul yet this season how much that was the suspension and how much of that is getting himself into full regular season shape. I don't know and mellows been awful like that is undeniable mellows not in the top hundred and thirty. I did my best. I said I was doing try with mellow. So so when harden comes back if it got someone like Jimmy Butler could he make the Jimmy Butler thing we would have to redo all the mad at one player one Jimmy Butler player away from all back together from if they add Jimmy Butler, they reassert themselves as one of the very very best teams in the league. But you guys know where I stand on Golden State. I think Golden State right now as presently constituted is far and away the best team. And that's before they add DeMarcus cousins, that's where I think they are. But it also looks like Minnesota is just flatly not going to trade Jimmy Butler. Like, Tom typical I think's going to make the owner fire him to trae Jimmy Butler because they're not going to get a better offer than four unprotected first round picks. That's literally the most picks hanger allowed to offer. Houston offered it. So I don't think Jimmy Butler is coming. What's the biggest issue that this rockets team has if you could fix one thing? What's what's their biggest issue? I knew they would struggle losing. Trevor reason you just can't just say, oh, you know, all he was. Isn't that good? But the intangible things that he provide the limp the defense to constant knockdown shooting that they could rotate they had another two or three guys who could knock down three pointers. That's they don't have enough shotmakers if you're gonna play that style, and you're going to have the analytics and everything they don't have enough shot makers on we knew that with the loss of a reason tape particularly early in the year defensively, they probably weren't going to be the same team. No one could have been -ticipant. It'd be about and five offense right now. They're a bottom five often. What was the thing last year? See with twenty games left. They had the best offense in the history of professional basketball on a per possession basis. Right now, they have a worse offense in the Phoenix Suns like come on. And so that can't just be you've missed some of your best players for a couple of games. It's systemic right now in Houston. And if I were my pal Maury. I'd be concerned can't be getting blown out for home games already this year. All right. Let's take a break coming back being smart. Grated. Making the Jackson. I'm just saying things while they're their conversation. We're back after this. Back to the show mentioning joins us. Happy Halloween coach just up for the festivities. Thank you so much it did. Yep. Former Browns coach that's what I'm going to this year. In cleveland. Get together. Great. That is funny. Bumping each other. Club. Ever third Friday of the month for together. Need more space coach visiting the NFL yesterday that will happen when you put a deadline on trades. We call it a trade deadline a lot of talk about where Broncos water Seaver to marry Thomas would be traded turns out. It was the Texans after losing will fuller for the year the Texans acquired Thomas from Denver for a fourth round pick and swap seventh rounders so Thomas will pair up with the undre Hopkins. Texans continue their playoff push. I'll start with you coach. What impact Thomas have on this Texans offense? I really liked this right now, I was a president Houston would do anything with the former Denver player faced off the Brock Tober. But they went back to it losing will fuller and to be able to get a player about quality player. This point in the season is really hard. You look at the waiver wire at the beginning season. There's not much there when you get to midseason to try to get a guy that can actually have an impact on what you're doing. It's almost impossible to do. So to losing will fuller and being able to replace them with Damaris Thomas. I think is a great situation for that man and Tennessee is trending the right direction. Texans. I mean, Texas the Texans Tennessee's trending direction turning the right direction. And I think this is going to open up things offense. It's a big physical guy who maybe hasn't produced as well as he has in the past. But if you get them reinvigorated, you get them into a team that has a real chance, and you send a strong message the rest of the team that we're going to do whatever we need to do to to move forward. So we know that Thomas Thomas's production has dropped off significantly since Peyton Manning. Stop being the quarterback there. Now part of that might be deteriorating skills part of that might be the tactic or masquerading quarterback play. This will be the best quarterback. He's gotten to play with since he was having Pro Bowl caliber seasons in Denver with Peyton Manning. Now, he doesn't have the same skill set. His willfuller like the Texans had a really good wide receiver duo, but not a deep wide receiving corps, which I think they made this move. They deandre Hopkins is one of the best in the league and will fuller who was one of the best deep threats in the league. And they like the kid they drafted KiKi Cutie as a as a rookie slot receiver. They draft in the fourth round this year. I think but after that Sammie Coates and guys that are practice squad type of players. So I understand the morning to plug into Mary's Thomas opposite de'andre Hopkins, but he brings a very different skill set them. We'll fuller did willful or brought straight-line speed. He had an excellent report with with Shawn Watson on the deep ball. I don't know if to marry his brings that, but I do think he's better than Sam. Coats. I do think he makes them better right now with the Texans say is we're five and three in a winnable division. We potentially if the patriots or chiefs backslide, maybe we somehow turn owing three into a by like we could we're going to go for right now and giving up just a fourth round pick. When you're probably gonna win your division. I don't think that's overpaying for Marius. I can say he's a solid receiver. That's about as high as I can take it right now sometime his hands are not dependable sometimes you don't get the type of effort. You think you're going to get out of the body type? I mean, his dimensions are amazing almost six five two hundred twenty five pounds used to be able to run for four every day. Now, you don't necessarily see that. So I worry can they get him in that possession role and Bill to feed him because I disowned Watson will make him a better wide receiver. But our as hands going to be dependable I know in the locker room, he's a hardworking guy he will fit into the locker room. He's not a high maintenance guy, you have not seen him through all the critic. In the last several years in Denver do a bunch of complaining. So he will fit in to Bill O'Brien is doing and the Texans. They are trying at five and three the roster. Get better when you had to marry his Thomas to it. This is this is an interesting Texans team to figure out they're five and three. But Nick points out. These are close wins. They two weeks they pretty close. Does this actually make them legit contenders? AFC losing will fuller. I think would would have hurt their chances dramatically, and that's why this trade was very important because of your pushing all the coverage to Hopkins which most teams do that second guy has to have the ability to make you pay. And if you don't have that second threat that can make you pay when when you take away the first guy, then then you become less than one dimensional. So that's why I think this is really important that does this put them over the edge. I think this keeps them where they were keeps them pretty close to where they were with losing will fuller to your point. China because of the way they had one prior to these two weeks. They didn't have a big margin of error. They don't have a good offense blind back. They one of the worst in football. They are not an effective running team. We know that they have a lot of talent defensively, and for some reason up until last week's it'd been kind of playing hot and cold through your hadn't been the consistency. You would have hoped once you lose will fuller to coach his point in these. The defense was going to have won one game playing one game plan only stop the Andre Hopkins now that they have to marry Thomas they at least have to be cognizant of the threat opposite deandre Hopkins. Which I don't think they would have had to be Sammie Coates out there. One thing if I'm the wide receiver coach for Houston. I'm little more concerned high get him involved in offense because he's limited for what he can do. He's typically the X the boundary receiver typically he has not gone in motion. So Nick point out. He's been he's gonna get a lot of single coverage. Coach point is you're gonna be a lot of single covers. He's been getting that opposite manual Sanders. So that's not going to change. He's not like golden Tate. Golden Tate, and you can do more things to him golden Tate. You can move him around and go and take a so good after the catch. So I look for golden Tate to have a bigger impact in Philadelphia compared to Damaris what he's going to do the Texans. And when I'm curious Chris with Shawn Watson and all the plays that he makes off script. How is that gonna play into his skill set? How what kind of an impact can you make when the plays breakdown to Sean moving around and see how he fits in that part of the equation, which I'm not I don't really know at this point how that's gonna look this year to that point the few big plays down the field. He has made has been when Jin guy case is running around off schedule cases been actually quite good this year on those the one thing he's been quite good. At this year is those deep passes rolling out or win. The protection breaks down. I wanna ask you one question. See why does a player aside from quarterback change? Why would a player who was seemingly on this trajectory go maybe this? One or even down the way Demaria's has during what is age wise. What you say should probably have been the prime of great player. You think at thirty everyone thinks everyone's gonna play till the thirty two thirty three. We don't know where the ceiling is. We don't know if Peyton Manning brought the ceiling was that the sill inform was that is good is he's going to get. And that's what I thought. That's as good as he's going to get. He was a good player. Never a great player. Great attitude. He's got a good story personally off the field. But we don't know how build how how high the buildings supposed to be is it feels to be eight stories. It's supposed to be eighty. Now. A lot of times we think because the guys trend, and we think we know we don't know most of the time is this guy Costa tapped out and Peyton Manning, and that system Adam gays what they had there in Denver was really really special and that brought the best football with him that football. We'll never see again. And it's gonna be interesting to this is the first time he's played for anybody else. Thank this his whole world has changed dramatically. How that can. Pack them is it gonna add some energy some fuel some motivation for him to try to get to that eighty floor that that to me is another exciting part of this great night about case keenum, gotta take a break. Coach stick around coming up. Aaron Rodgers furious that the Packers were sellers at the deadline next person. Particularly given what you've got back for him. I thought it was a good move and people outside the building's perception was that that signalling you packing it in and we're in full rebuild vote. I pack it nothing. You know, we pack in anything in. We're working as hard as we have ever worked. Someone makes a phone call to you in the middle of the night. And makes you an offer that you think helps this franchise the raiders you make that move. That was a sneak peek of how long's interview with Jon Gruden. You can catch the rest of it tomorrow on Thursday night football in the raiders take on the forty Niners. It all starts at seven thirty eastern on FOX Senate Dell in streaming on prime video joke. How we should be very interesting that back here. Coachman genie. Coach guesses got a nice haircut. Oh, yeah. And that waiver while there's some bad ones. Guess is no longer Green Bay Packer. I'll just I'm going to tell you. It's time on Gumri after he returned a kickoff. He wasn't supposed to after he fumbled. When he definitely wasn't supposed to Green Bay dealt Montgomery to the ravens for a seventh round pick. But wait, there's more. They also sent Pro Bowl safety hawk Clinton Dix to Washington in exchange for a fourth round pick. So Packers currently sitting at three three and one being big aggressive at the trade deadline coach we use the Green Bay were big sellers at the deadline. No, not necessarily when you look at this. Sometimes it's a dishing by subtraction. And. Obviously the they felt differently than Montgomery feld in terms of how clear was whether he should bring it out of the end zone. We talked about that yesterday where he said he wasn't really happen. I told him that he should say in the end zone. He decided to come out, then he came out and said, they never told me that. And now he's in Baltimore for future. Not even this your seventh rounder a twenty twenty seventh round pick. Yes. So it was one of those things where okay, let's it's time. It's time to say goodbye. And then with high Clinton Dix, I know we tag Pro Bowl onto a lot of players, but a lot of players make the Pro Bowl. Now that injury was injuries. The teams in the Super Bowl or. Like, it's different. The proble distinction the old pro distinction. We know that. Yeah. It's a little it can be a little bit deceiving. And we're came out and said, it doesn't look like I'm going to be a Green Bay Packer next year as soon as you start talking about next year and how you're not going to be with that team. Organizationally? You're thinking is this guy really going to push through injuries as he makes the sacrifices that we need to make the season goes on or is he going to start to make businesses. And so if you get an opportunity to secure draft pick, and that's that's a good draft pick for for him. And you feel strongly enough about the players. They have to me, I think that makes sense as well. Listen, I get that some guys make a Pro Bowl because they're an alternate in some guys make a Pro Bowl legitimately. But then don't play at that level anymore. Are pro football focus, se the two best healthy, safeties and football. This year have been DJ swear, injure and haha Clinton Dix Washington now has both of them. That was a really interesting clip. I hadn't seen that word swearing during Clinton Dix end up slap in five after a big play during the Washington Green Bay game earlier this year, very. Odd. Right. Very very odd for you to be making an interception now, I understand that. There's a fraternity in the league fraternity based on your position. But I'm not going to be dappling guy. After he intercepted my quarterback. So these as don't in cat DJ, and ha ha Clinton Dix. I don't know what made them come together. They get right teammates, though, a week after haha picked it off. So it was just an odd exchange. I just picked up there. But here's the thing is this the Packers are not better today than they were yesterday unless there is so much more to the locker room stuff. I forget the time Montgomery thing. I don't care about that. I'm talking about just the safety unless there's so much more to him being upsetting to contract extension, by the way, this is the type of player you should extend. This is the type of player you draft. The only first round pick. You've taken you've take another defensive guys unless six years and first round the only one to make a Pro Bowl through Hooker crook injury. Whatever is this player. He's playing at a high level. And you've decided you don't want him on your. Team next year. And evidently, you don't want on your team the rest of this year, your three three and won the leaders in your division or four and three and have a quarterback. They do not trust you ever Aaron Rodgers. I think you just play your best game of the year. Why are you sellers right now? That's the part. I don't get. Why are you sellers? Pro football, focus, right ranked him. And you know, obviously, they say it must be true. But when you when you look at a guy like this the impact in the locker room that that stuff is real. But we don't hear about it. And who knows what he's saying about the way the scheme is set up. Who knows what he's saying? There's a lot of ways that you can undercut the situation that you're in and the defense is actually playing better than it has in a while. So he might have been a pro bowler on a defense. That was not historically very good. And you have a chance to to push forward and potentially take a situation. That's negative right now and remove yourself from it. Watch for both organizations. I like the player that Washington's going to get like who is been partner there with DJ swinging. They bring a physical presence ha gives them ability to build a cover a little more in-space than than DJ does. But as coach said, we don't know the Intel on the player, the general manager, I'm gonna give him benefit of the doubt. Just like I do every other general manager to build a wait to see what is plan is even if he hadn't told me what his plan is like Gelman did when we discussed the other day. So I'm going to watch this. He obviously was not going to be one of his guys into the future. They obviously made a decision not to extend him. So how it was probably upset about that. And anytime you start communicating to the media something that didn't need to be communicated you're under contract. So I could see I could see also this being one of many moves, even not only personnel wise. But I wouldn't be surprised if Green Bay moved off their coach like I wouldn't be surprised with the opening in Cleveland and with. Dorsey van a system guy and coming from that Andy retrieved typically you like hiring people that you're familiar in your close to. So I think Cleveland we'll be looking at green base coats. So trade for him. I don't know what I don't know what you're gonna call it. But it's just we just look at the season. Green bay. I looked at this season. Could turn the other way and the move on from their coaches that way they moved on from these two players yesterday anything with the coaching though would happen in the off season. And that I understand entirely I don't look at the Packers team right now. Or I look at the Packers. I should say team that is still a contender as a team that is up against the toughest month and their season. I actually think they should feel good about how the first major test went. They hate how it ended. But they've got a feel like we dominated the Rams in the first half until the final three minutes. We were in position to have the ball and Aaron Rodgers hands down less than a field goal with two minutes to go and get let one game affect how you plan on moving into. The future. I just believe the general manager has certain things that he wants to do certain players that are not going to they had to get time. Gummy off that roster anytime the coach gets to the podium in the coach says, I told him the state now, you're either a fool to get up there to to go against what he said because I know the Green Bay Packers told him gave him special specific instruction there. There's no way that they told him exactly the same thing. They told him for any other kickoff. So once you say that, and then you have a player come out and say that he made the raw mistake there. He was being very very selfish. It's time move on because he's not going to be comfortable working anymore. And the reason Nick that I think there's more to the story is all the points that you do make this is a young safety. This is a guy who has had some success and gone to a Pro Bowl. This is a homegrown talent. All those things make you another general manager, though, that's that's a hit point. But all. All those things make you think that's the guy guy he'd want to extend and the fact that they would move on from him. Now, typically there's layers underneath this that we're not seeing because it doesn't add up when you look at it objectively did the Packers get better or worse yesterday with any trade trade draft picks up. We're not gonna know. And until we go down the road and see how these how the secondary works. Now when your move. Worse. But the general manager got done what he wanted to do. He's closer to his goal. He's moving his team in the direction when they take one of their marquee players and move him. They didn't have to he wasn't forced to do that. So in his mind jn, they're better than what they were yesterday. Ed, certainly in his mind, they are positioned better. At least in the long term. It is very hard for me to see a scenario unless the locker room stuff is disastrous where they are better for the last eight games of this year without a starting caliber one of their without question matter, what pro football focus as one of their five best defensive players that minimum this year. They're not going to be better without him the draft picks not coming until next year. We'll know it is clear as law and order. You're you're gonna you're gonna do things the way they want him to do it. Or you're going to be doing it somewhere else. That's a pretty clear message. Cultural see later in the show. Jesus. On or. Ready? Ball coming out. His all star form after last night's when I wait the whole segment, then I say. Eight. This. Coming off their five preparing for Monday night showdown with the Tennessee tines. They'll have their new receiver. Mark Cooper for whom Dallas gave up what some would call a costly. First round pick is the elephant in the room that is Dak Prescott upcoming contract. Jerry Jones says Amari Cooper has nothing to do with the evaluation of Dak Prescott s- future. Cd agree with Jerry. Well. Discussed. I'm curious here. I just. Not unless it's like, it's like doing a show, we get evaluated on a regular basis as a show chemistry in and out of bombs. How we're doing things as far as elements, and but ultimately, it's it's really what they think about me. I mean, I know you guys are here. We're doing a show and everything, but I'm just saying as far as my evaluation. So if they like, I knew the sump, well, it's totally different. But if they like the quarterback, and I believe that Jerry a lot like the people at FOX, they they like they and they like me. So even with my wide receivers are not number one or number two. They decide they're going to go with me anyway, because they like it, and I believe Jerry is in love with that. Now, I do believe this. It's going come at a certain price. I believe Jerry's going to say because my offense of line what I wanna do with Zeke in the future because of my rush would with Lawrence. I gotta pay him. I won't have a deck as my quarterback. But it's going to come at like a hometown. Discount. So he's going to try to do a Tom Brady without the championships. That's what I believe, Jerry. And the reason why collectively it's not about the town around him. Jerry's in love with Dak as quarterback. And that's the way he's going to move forward filter that stands between what you think. And what you say. Now, just learning this, of course. All right. Let me talk to the actual football side of this not Chris's awful analogy from the beginning of it on the football side of it. Unlike the analogy, the beginning, you got that right. Jerry's decided on deck. Like, you're the reason I was leaning forward to hear what you wanted to say about the Amari Cooper thing was the best argument for overpaying for Maury Cooper, which they did by giving a first round pick. So actually when you see what other guys that the deadline went for thirds, and fourths and seven's. The best argument was we gotta find out about the quarterback you're paying premium because you wanna find out if you got the quarterback Jerry's done decided about the quarterback. Jerry has decided Dak Prescott. He said it. He's leaving it to me. I don't need more information about Dak. He's the only person doesn't need more information about Dak. But he's also the only vote that counts. He's the only the there might be a board of directors. But it's fine. People in Jerry's got three the votes. First round pick. Because because e all not only does he think that he's got his quarterback because he thinks he's got his quarterback. He think thing win the division. Let's look at. Let's look at the market though. Right. Golden Tate went for third rounder last year of his contract Amari can get the fifth year option younger player higher ceiling left. So if you look at golden taking win for third Philadelphia, we know offered a second for Amari Cooper. Right. So the real price. Mark Cooper was a second round. But because you want him now, and because someone else wanted them it just inflated the price just a little bit. But it's not like they pay two number ones. Mari Cooper wasn't a drastic overpay. It wasn't not going to give up on this season. So that made the price a little bit higher. Also, exactly, right. Like, jerry. Because again, look at all of this through Jerry's is we now know Jerry thinks he's got his quarterback. He knows he has his running back. Right. They just change the line coats. They think they're Albans winds going get better. We all know they've got a good defense. So okay. So Jerry, saying we're three and four, but what we are in his eyes is not a quarterback away. We're number one wide receiver away. We thought it could be Alan Hearns. He's been a bust. We thought awesome would be different than they tried to a receiver this off season with Sammy Watkins, they weren't able to get them. Now that we're into the first part season. He realized that what we were trying to do this off season. It just got completed right now. So we can't act as if Dallas wasn't looking for number one. They were they couldn't get the one that they wanted we keep saying this, and you kind of gloss it over. Yeah. Jerry Jones thinks he's got his quarterback. But does Jerry Jones have his quarterback? Do we? We know that Prescott is the guy that's going to turn this towels franchise around. No, I do believe in. It's not based on just a quarterback. They have to have some other things to Bill to help them out. But when you don't have a number one receiver it's impossible to be able to evaluate your quarterback, regardless of what he says. Now, I do believe if you wanna play football a certain way. Now, I believe he should be committed to that for at least two more years because it's still hard. I mean, we act like it's easy to find a quarterback. And I do believe that can get better. But right now, I'm not going to commit to him long-term meaning four or five years, you say two more years. You mean the rest of this year next year? That's what we're talking about. Exactly the right. I'm not special rookie year the running back get suspended in the second year. I ain't got no number one receiver about third year. So like would it be fair to that? I'm not I know means of my advocating the Cowboys cut Prescott off anything like that. But if you were to tell me right now, I have to make let's say he were free agent after this season by either have to find a new quarterback or give him a franchise quarterback type contract. Then I would move on. The only reason I am totally comfortable on the Cowboys with Dak being my quarterback for the next twenty four games is because it's going to cost me a million bucks. It's because I am able to surround him theoretically with a lot of talent because he make so little money. And then but what I wouldn't do sign him prematurely, usually quarterback coaches in the NBA. They never go into the final year of their deal. I'd let go into the final year of his deal. I know I'd be able to franchise him if he plays really, well if he's playing really well throughout the year. I'd maybe sign him midway through next season. But. I'm not signing to an extension this off season. I don't think you're signing him to an extension this off season you need to see more from him. At least we do Jerry, maybe doesn't. And if I'm Dax agent, which I'm not he's not one of my clients. But if I'm Dax agent, I am absolutely calling Jerry and say, well, hey, man, you got your guy. Let's get to talking numbers. Let's take a break. They're coming up back to the NBA. Why the best team in the east might actually not be the Boston Celtics next? Back in business against Nebraska at eleven thirty eastern van big twelve contenders. West Virginia, Texas clash at three thirty eastern. It's coming your way Saturday on FOX or watch it at CC's house or anywhere on the FOX. I'm having a party play some football. Let's get running the football Mellon the bracket. Dana Hoeger watch out for the right hook a time. Hearn time for us to go viral last night. Russell Westbrook was dominant dropping thirty two points on the clippers. However, it was a certain picture that had the internet abuzz. Mike, Adele tweeted. Hey, Russ Westbrook. My nephew's your biggest fan with me right behind them. And they're going to be at the game tonight as on and off Corp Brody. That's awesome honor these costumes so twin boys one dressed up as Ross during the game one. Trust is Russ after the game. I love that. That's a good one. All look at that one. I mean, they even got the outfit the glasses the chain. I like that you can do fun costumes if you have twins. I'm so glad they pick that outfit compared to that one where he's like the safety patrol. He's plastic. That when he was a toddler wasn't safety patrol. He's we're on the Tigers last time, I saw someone they was letting people cross the street guard. Yes. Everybody kids Chateau, it's Halloween. Not true time for stories. Brought to you by not supposed to be unexpected energy Exxon Mobil, unexpected Nick, right? But listen, if we're all in that corner wall, not sticking with Russ Westbrook who last night face one of his arch nemesis. Patrick Beverley Beverly dough for a loose ball. Hit Westbrook in the knees. The two. Players those spicy mouse, Bev Bevan. Guy. This little potty mouth spicy mouth to a little fight in Nick start interrupting Jin I do like Beverly Ross being really angry. Russell Westbrook had not missed a game of basketball since seventh grade until Patrick Beverley did something similar to him in the first game of the playoffs. The thunder were the one seed ended up hurting his knee Russ head to have multiple surgeries. Now it happens. Again, I understand why Russ was fired up about that the other one he cut in from him right before he was going to call a time out yesterday. Mary NBA players allow you to move. He made a dirty play into getting end up getting injured. So there's that's the history behind that last night. Hey carrier vein had his best performance of the young season. Thirty one points on sixteen shots along with five rebounds and five assists. Celtics beat the pistons won away when a five would you think of Kyrie's performance? Nick is the first time all your Kyrie's looked like kyri literally and figuratively. Literally looked like shave a haircut, look better and figuratively. Look like him because he was playing really. Good basketball. I the people think I was trying to pick on Kyrie. There was nothing to say. I mean he'd been for fourteen in the game. He was one for five with three points in their most recent game prior yesterday. He was excellent. He's the biggest reason why they want. This is the first game the season kyri was the best player on the Celtic out. No, Nick wasn't picking on him. Look at his numbers. He was averaging a career low average eighteen points. I think is rookie year look at his numbers and see what? So last night, I time he looked explosive. Thank god. He say thank God. He got a haircut took a bath everything. Good stuff. Kyrie moving onto a showdown of two. Great quarterbacks. Tom Brady taken on Aaron Rodgers and Foxborough Sunday night facing off for just the second time in their careers Brady said Aaron Rodgers is inspiring even for me. Say why could understand normal people being inspired what he's even inspiring for me? You know what I'm saying? Jim any misfires me like, I don't need no motivation. I don't need to be inspired. But even watching him play normal people like, you know, you might be inspired. But even me even me got me. It was a nice brag by Tom Brady. But I am excited to see for just the second time ever a match up of these two quarterbacks. The most talented quarterback I've ever seen and the most accomplished quarterback anybody's ever seen playing each other on national television should be all. And now we know because Brady is made comments about Peyton men into these little matchups. They are extra special. Absolutely. I finally the Rams are not resting on their laurels at eight. No. They traded for Dante Fowler from the Jags and exchange for third round pick this here in a fifth round pick next year. I see how much better does Fowler. Make. Rams makes them better right now. And it's not just because of his skill set. I it's not because of what they have inside. It's because of what they have in the locker room, and I believe they really have a special codes in Wade Phillips. He was on the staff the first staff that I've got drafted into Philadelphia. So I spent my first three years in NFL, and there's some great coaches, but man, he is right up there with them. And he never would be great as a head coach. But as a leader for a defense teaching different defenses being very very aggressive Dillon with personalities. I mean, you're talking about millennials. It doesn't matter. Baby boomers, man, he has seen it all and has adapted. And it just seems like we don't we don't understand sometime, the connective tissue between coaches and the players Bella check has it in a special way in man Wade has this in spades. And what he does for players to build resurrect their career and put them in a position to. Winning football. That's what Dante follower is getting ready to experience a guy who was not happy a guy who has not performed up to his level victory. Put him outside. He's getting ready to rush the passer. And this is one thing this team was missing. And they went out and got a very very explosive player. I look forward to watching him play with the Rams and unlike the teams that picked up wide receivers golden tater to marry his Thomas C, we've talked about this. There's no system needs to learn. What are the two things? He knows how to do. Then sit in sickle. Yeah. That's it. I mean parcels pass rusher. Gotta sit and got to go get him. And that listen, Don Fowler. He has had an up and down NFL career. He tore his ACL in his first OT a rookie rookie day ever after a top pick. So he misses his first year. He then has a good second year of play thirty or in the league last year at eight sacks to force fumbles. And then this offseason they had the incident where the traffic used the guy who threw the guys groceries into the lake. That story argument that so he has some off the field stuff for the Rams aren't worried about that. The Rams come on. No way, we want talent we trust. Wade Phillips to be able to get the most out of the talent we trust our leadership from McVeigh and Wade Phillips to make sure these guys stay where they need to be while they're here in the facility that the flame. Eric combustible personalities, actually is an iron sharpens iron type of thing. And this was the one spot the for a week edge rusher and everywhere else they are buttoned up across the board. I think this is a great trae for the Rams to because if you can see in the last three or four games, they start planning Donna consume more outside. He is not a defensive in. Now, he is a dominant force. He is a very very good football player. But he's a defensive tackle. That's where he is going to be better suited. Now, they can keep him inside with. I mean Aaron Donald away Aaron Donald was playing and now you can keep soon next to him. They have not been playing their best lineup because they had to move suit up to the outside. So now, you move him inside. They have sixteen sacks. I mean, I think Aaron. Donald and ensue have thirteen of the sixteen sacks. So you add that speed rush on the outside and Jenna he can play in a game. If we're gonna play tonight because it's a few responsibility to the defensive in one being contained if there's some type of stunt. He's very very good at that. He's going to go inside the tackles gonna come outside on T E stunt. So those the only things he needs to know. So his ability to impact a game right now is so much more significant than offense players Presley a wide receiver. And this is something that's been a theme of this season. But we saw it again at the trade deadline that teams that have that are contenders that have their quarterbacks on a rookie contract have the flexibility to make these moves who traded for significant players at the trade deadline. The Rams the eagles the Texans. What do they all have in common a cheap quarterback? So they can take on the salary of a former top five pick. They can say they can give third and fifth round pick down the road, which they paid a high price third and fifth for Dante Fowler because they think. They can win and they should believe they can win the Super Bowl right now edge rusher was the only position of weakness on this team. Did they do it? Did they just lock it up? You can't lock it up. I mean this team still hasn't wanna playoff game together. Like, we have to see how they perform in January. But they they addressed their biggest position only position of weakness on the team. There were several teams that got better in the best team in football got better. So that only helps though the best team right now in football. All right moving on the Toronto. Raptors who are now an impressive seven and one after beating Sixers last night, quite Leonard continued to impress with a casual thirty one seven and four undefeated when he takes the floor. Nick are the rafters the clear favorites in the east right now. I think it's very important. You note undefeated when he takes the floor just the other night, the raptors played the bucks. But both teams didn't have the back the back and they didn't play Hawaiian the first game. They didn't play in the first game in the bucks didn't play Yanni. So that we didn't really understand the bucks are undefeated. And we're seeing the benefit for them have. Having a real coach. But yes, the raptors are the favorites in these the raptors were might pick the best record in east. But the team they Molly walked last night was my pick to come out of the east and that team doesn't look anywhere near ready. We'll see all there at the end of the year. But right now Phillies not really in the discussion what Toronto is done with their new head coach Nick nurse with the addition of quiet, Leonard who seems to be as good as he's ever been on both sides of the ball, which makes him one of the worst eight best players in the league. Yeah. They're the favorites. We know how good their benches. We know how good Kyle Lowry is a number two options. Yoenis Valance is playing the best basketball of his career up to this point and qui- has been dominant. So for all those reasons, and they have the history of last year almost winning sixty games. Yes. They should right now. Be the favorites out of these conference absent LeBron going west. I mean, if you trade. Kawai foot. Derozen? I mean, and that's basically the only change they mate Toronto was going to be the best team in the east like men Kawais a tremendous player. What happened to him in San Antonio was he got injured. Right. Went to the doctor. The doctor told him he had a different injury went back onto the court reinjured himself. So he felt as if the doctor and the team mishandle misdiagnosed him. So even when he tried to make his recovery. He could never get back. He kept saying I'm not one hundred percent. I can't play. So besides that nothing happened to co is far as the skill level. So now co is healthy. We're seeing the same exact thing that we have seen for the last three or four years. He's one of the best players in the NBA. You could see pensively last night. Ben Simmons tried to break them down. And he just took the ball from them. Just head up one on one. As one of the best premier defenders that we're going to have in the NBA. So this is why was nothing changed. The only thing is reputation took a hit because he wanted after the injury. He wanted out of San Antonio. But the basketball player he brought that same thing to Canada that we were saying in San Antonio. I think what was the issue for the raptors with two Rosen. Forget. Lebron take the fact they couldn't get past the Brown to Rosen wooden shoot three's couldn't shoot three's. People have forgotten that quite Leonard after the one and he's never been in the league defendant. Sure. Absolutely. But the real knock on him. The biggest perpetual knock was that. He wasn't an abysmal defender. He was an abysmal three point shooter. Hey, it was not a part of his game. He refused to take them people forgotten the qui- prior to the injury had turned himself into one of the most reliable three point shooters in the league. What's he doing this year? Oh, he's shooting forty four percent from three. So you have lower who leads the NBA insist volun- who's a good offense of big that great bench and quite Leonard. Who is certainly in the argument if not at the top of the argument for the best two way player in the NBA like this team should be particularly with Boston finding itself. Having guys come off injuries. Philly not having a bench right now until they get Wilson Chandler back. And Ben Simmons not having seen to learn. Shoot in the off. Fortunately, like, yes, they they with respect to Milwaukee who I think's excellent right now, the raptors should be the favorite happy, Leonard a very successful Toronto. Raptors coming at it east be enough to perhaps convince quite wanna stay to is it too early to start talking about that. I will just tell you don't get too cold up in the workwise going to go you just enjoy him. Nothing's changed as far as a wise concern. No. There's no new information. Everything if you wanna know how Fillon go back to exactly what I said before he's go to Toronto. He's gonna play it out going to play to the end. And at that time he's going to decide where he wants to go. And what did I say, it's Los Angeles. Nothing's changed. Don't food by what he's doing. Now. Not common. Nothing's here's to me. The thing that is most the start of the season, we should go back and read the stories of the teams that could've traded for qui- and what they were refusing to give. Up because they thought it was just one year rental. And because they didn't know how good he was going to be they worked URI's about his health. They didn't know where we're going to get the same old quiet Leonard right now, you don't think there are teams that were on that list. The Boston Celtics who didn't want to give up one of their young stars the Philadelphia seventy Sixers who were hesitant about Marquel? Foltz? Maybe the Lakers who are having to give up. Brandon Ingram those teams right now watching quite Leonard and his team be undefeated with him. Don't regret letting Toronto slide in there with the Rosen Toronto who thought they were going to have to blow the whole thing up. Anyway, at some point soon to have a real shot at going to the NBA finals, like eight is very interesting to look at how quiet being talked about now and how he was discussed when he was actually on the market for twenty nine teams to trade for I take a break coming up kin golden Tate help the eagles get back. This. That's next on pissing. Within joins the show he super tall. We're going to have to adjust our lighting. We are very excited though that is tomorrow right here on first things. First just our lighting with you. Because you're do not letting Griffin yellow Barbara Walters thing nicer. Okay. Here we go back here with Coachman Janet was really. The eagles. Make Carson Wentz. Halloween, candy or so very happy quarterback Philly traded. I mean candy tonight. Philly traded a third round pick to the lions for water CBA golden Tate asked why he traded for a guy in the last year of his deal. Eagles GM Howie Roseman said he's one of the most productive receivers in the league. And then he's run after catch numbers are phenomenal coach what impact could Tate have on this Philadelphia Eagles offense. First all that, pumpkin. White mazing you like that right across the screen. Again. I mean, we've been throwing wipes across the screen. Impressive. Self-loading in the pumpkin. Wife's. I think that the this is my favorite of the moves that were were made. And to me, this is we talked about how rare it is to get a quality player at this point in the season to be able to fill a need. And then you get a guy that fits that system as well as golden it's a run after the catch offense. This is a run after the catch player. This is a guy that has been extremely productive on third down. He's already got fifteen third down conversions the next highest guy on the eagles is ten and what's been the problem finishing games finishing games has been the problem. This guy allows golden paid allows them the opportunity you get those third down that they haven't been getting and be able to finish the game. And that was a real strength of the eagles last year and hasn't been as much of a strength this season. I thought this was a really good move. Listen. There is no denying that eagles just got better. And to your point they added at their week. Point, which is even though it's supposed to be run after catch system their bottom. Six in the league in yards after catch by wide receivers. They haven't been effective at executing that the single best typically run after catch receiver in football like to golden Tate has been over the course of his career particular last few years. So they added too much like the Rams needed an edge rusher. The eagles needed a receiver that had this skill set. And they added it, and they also understood that man, it is not going to get easier force the second half of the season. We not only five divisional games are non divisional games of the Rams the saints and the Texans. Like there are no games on their schedule. You look at and say, okay, just chalk it up to a win. And they have a lot of ground to make up their four and four Washington's five and two. So for all those reasons I like what it does for them tangibly intangibly, I like that for the players in the locker room. It lets them know we are not giving in on the season. We're doing much. Like we did last year. Even though we were better at this point last year. We're adding word sacrificing potential future picks like we did with Jay to like we did in the JJ trade to add to our team this season. This to me was the most impactful move any teammate at the deadline yesterday. Was their offense. Their biggest need for the Philadelphia Eagles. And we talk so much about them needing some help in the secondary little bit on the defense. You look at this this wide receiving corps is that were they really needed the most. I think how rosement in the staff looked at the team and there's several holes one being corner they could use some cornerback help. Now, they got some younger corners. It's just a matter of which side or we're going to try to have some patients with and because of Mike Wallace's injury. He's probably on injured reserve, he's probably not going to come back. They decided we're gonna be a little more patient with the secondary. We're going to add a little more firepower to the offense. But well, I like seeing is at the trade deadline, and I wouldn't even mind Roger Goodell. Troy, Vincent guys. Look, I wouldn't mind moving the trade deadline even back another week or ten days because I believe that the recent excitement given that salary cap over one hundred and seventy five million now, and we have a lot of guys guys are in different have different makeup as far as joining teams as far as general managers that willing to take more chances. Now, that's why you're seeing more trade. That's why. Seeing the culture change in the NFL. I wouldn't mind seeing a move back because now you can see week number ten would still be able to add we saw the excitement around the league the last seven days, I think the league should look at potentially moving it back even another week or two because it used to be week six now it's week eight. And so, and you would have more teams knowing they're out of it. And would say, you know, what it might make sense for us to be sellers. This is been the one thing the NFL as far as the news cycle goes has never done has never been as exciting basketball or baseball, the NBA and major league baseball trade deadline's are huge days where teams are remade up until recently the NFL trade deadline. We would see it pass about thirty years ago. I'm talking about five years ago where maybe there was one significant trade yesterday was an exciting day in the coach would say the fundamental differences between the league in baseball and basketball. I can trade a guy today and he can play tonight on that team because they run a lot of the same things, and you. Basically picked or plug and play them right now in in a fell with the systems that we have it's not as encouraged because it's going to take some downtime and the seasons only sixteen game. So I believe that's one of the biggest differences. What do you think coach is far is why things are a little bit different than any era that we've seen while? I'm with you the idea of pushing it back and guys starting understand where they are the team what they what they need other team saying, okay, it's not gonna work out for this year. Maybe we can get this salary off the books for next year. We can we can start to some degree planning for the following season and change the shape of their organization as well. I I'm totally in favor of pushing back even further as long as everybody has the same opportunity to do the same thing why not give all these teams chances to acquire players to move on players even deeper in this. I don't see the downside, especially in a hard cap league where you don't have to worry about. If you didn't have a hard cap you'd have. To worry about if you push it back, all of a sudden guys are going to be just be essentially buying off the players buying trying to buy their way to a Super Bowl that doesn't work in this in the NFL because the way the cap is set up, and so listen, I like the player movement. I understand some fans prefer the old days when a guy would be drafted by a team and stick with that team. That's not the Eero. We're in now. And I also applaud on the on the Detroit side, Matt Patricia in that organization being honest about where they are like they could look at the standings and say, okay, we're one game back. I believe their personnel. Situation's a little bit different than some of these other places where they really have three younger receivers that any guys that have emerged. So I could see them because they're definitely moving off a golden Tate. Right. So yes, they did do the right back. Matt Patricia didn't overreact looked at his roster golden Tate, viable asset. That's why he got that third fourth. Should this eagles offense? Look like when Tate comes in these up and running up to speed. What is this eagles offense? Look like. We're we're gonna have to wait and see because I do a lot of twelve personnel which is too tight ends to wide receivers. And they've done. That's that's been a core part of what they do. So it's hard for me to think that they're going to morph into an eleven team which would be one one tight end of three wide receivers. So how is he gonna fit into that that twelve personnel package, and look, maybe maybe they will transition to more rep of three wideouts. I just like the fact that this bring golden take opportunity get better on third down, and that was such a strength of theirs last year and their inability to close out games this given that chance and it helps the defense to say in the field longer. It keeps that defense on the bench longer as well. I think coach makes a great point as far as the twelve personnel. They spent high draft pick Dallas gutter he starting to emerge as a wide receiver. He's going to continue to be the not going to take him off the field more golden Tate, just because the yards after catch. Because he plays in the slot. He's not a slot receiver. He is not Eshelman. He is not Colby's -ly. He can play anywhere in the often. So look at him and schon to play outside you can gonna play too tight ends and one running back. So great point by coach realizing the personnel in his fit Nelson Aguilar. His numbers are going to be affected by golden take coming. You can get your three best pass catchers on the field without compromising what you like to do in that twelve personnel. You can have irks Tate and alshon all on the field and still have your other tied, and you don't have to because he doesn't have to play the slot. Like, you were saying cattleman, but the the other part of this is for Philly this year, you mentioned what their biggest need was. Sometimes it's not what your biggest need is as it is whereas eight need where there is a veil ability. You've talked to how the offense of line hasn't been as good this year as you would like to pass the Texans also traded for wide receiver their biggest need is clearly offensive. Lemme guess what? Open to lime in our. Not available to be had teams are overpaying for ver- mediocre offense of lime and they're not trading away. Good ones even teams that are rebuilding. You can't trade away a quality offense lineman. Even if you're rebuilding get your quarterback killed. So what they did is they took their twenty points. There's only one game all year that scored more than three touchdowns like they did need a jolt offense of this gives them an opportunity to. Thank you for listening to the first things first podcast. Remember, leave us a review and tell us what you think subscribe to the podcast on apple pie costs and catch us on f s one Monday through Friday six thirty AM Easter for Chris Carter, Nick, right? I'm Jenna Wolfe song.

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10/30 BONUS: Trade Deadline Edition (Fantasy Football Podcast)

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10/30 BONUS: Trade Deadline Edition (Fantasy Football Podcast)

"Fantasy football today from CBS sports. Email us at fantasy football CBS. I dot com. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. You're some day genie voters podcasts. Everybody trade deadline fireworks. It's a big trades. We gotta talk about it helps send your waiver claims now this Tuesday. So here we go out of the Jamie heath who's the biggest winner from the trade deadline. The deadline itself or just today. Just today the bears defense because Nathan Peterman is starting. But nothing to do with any trait. He said, that's. But. The tribe between Kenny Goethe and Marvin Jones. It's a biggest win for colon. Carson wentz. Definitely Aaron Jones. No question about it. Really air jokes. And don't get the big win. Yeah. Yeah. Big way. Four touches a game. Yeah. How many carries the game that he get? He got to last week. Yeah. For all right fine. It's a win. It's a wit. Good stuff. Yeah. I like it. Here's an Email from Brian PBR league. Now Marius Thomas got traded to Houston. Do I hold onto him or do? I drop him for Cortlandt Sutton. If that's the only guy you could drop by dropping for sun. I I'm really struggling with the value of all of these receivers that have been trained in different teams because we don't have a lot of historical evidence for this type of thing. It is a lot to ask to learn the new offense to build report the new quarterback into carve out your place in the offense. So I have Thomas rank tire. Rest of season. But there's a lot upside of side. Let's go trade by trade, and we'll get to we gotta Wednesday show. Obviously, we'll recap our thoughts on Wednesday. And we'll talk about Ben Rothlisberger broken left index finger AJ greens toe injury CJ Beathard status, which finger daybreak this one. I. Wrongheaded rog. Hey, there you go. Wasn't that? What? No, no, no, not both of them. Only one. Yes. Yes. He's he's a little upset because Halloween is right around the quarter Houston getting to marry his Thomas from Denver for four that you dress up as an F F T tomorrow. Oh is that happening? Of course. Oh, excellent. We're going to dress up like a major, none of us are gonna shave brush air or teeth Houston acquired various. Office. So let's go let's go one by one to Shawn Watson how much of a boost. Stays where he is. I think it's a slight boost hosts losing will for. Yes. It's not a boost for what he's been so forego. Okay. Fair KiKi Q. Do we still want to add him? Yes. But not as the same level as before. I'd only get him in PR leagues. And even then it's kind of underwhelming so of Sutton and Cutie are out there. It's obviously sudden right son is the number one most added player you should be going to get right now. How confident are you in court Cetin highly on the confidence? Oh, meter I'm gonna give it a six out of ten on a breakout. Those are two meters. Ubiqu- there do we think it's going to be better than to marry Thomas was. Yes, he should be. Yeah. Yeah. He should at least be a touched on dependent receiver. But he's got explosiveness that Damaris hasn't had for years, and I was going gonna theoretically step into that role at seven targets week. His catch rate sucks. It's below fifty percent so far, but a lot of those those have been deep balls that he's not gonna say early have to get when you ever. Generally gonna very good catch rate right now. But now he's going to be asked to catch more passes that are twenty plus yards downfield and that'll help them out. It'll lower his yards per catch. But it will help us catch rate. It will make them more productive. Yeah. I I would take him over Thomas rest away, which rather Larry FitzGerald, recorded Sutton. It's show Sutton on. Joe agreed. Is there any change in in recipes in value for de'andre Hopkins or manual Sanders? I think the slight booster Sanders, but not not a huge one actually ticked down. One in the trade chart Sanders. No consensus at all. No. But it's I mean, it's so minor. Like, I think defense Leuke on him a little bit more until Sutton breaks through there's another receiver that if you're in a dynasty league. You can take a look at in Denver. His name is Tim Patrick. But he hasn't been playing. Last couple of shirt. He's already owned probably dynasty leagues. Patrick might not be. Okay. So what what about the Mary Thomas himself to Mary Thomas right now is the number thirty six wide receiver in non PR number thirty one in PR, and he has not had his by so on a per game basis. It's not quite that. But one game with more than sixty three yards. He goes from team that is twentieth in passing yards per game to a team that's eighteenth passing per game. So not really a huge difference there. But keenum does throw the ball more than Watson has been throwing not as well. So yeah, it's Mary Thomas, not even sure if I asked us yet, but value down to the same for Marius. For me. Right. I think he might get ten more yards per game. And more importantly, he won't see some of his targets get siphoned off to Cortlandt Sutton, which is what? It could be I think it's a slight bump up overall rate Lee widens the range of possibilities. Also. It's pretty cool that he's playing Denver this week. That's fun. Hopefully, he plays don't know for. Sure. But I assume at this point, you know, he will be able to win. Yeah. You know, kind of a trial run this season. You can look at Kelvin Benjamin. Last year got traded didn't really do much with the bills, but it's a much different situation than Thomas. It's a much different situation than golden Tate. Not as not as much of an opportunity. But yeah, you don't see traits. Mid season in the NFL that much. It's not that easy to just go into a new system. This is a new era of the NFL. This really exciting. So let's go to I didn't even more exciting trade Philadelphia. Getting golden Tate. I'm pumped about this. I am super pumped about this third round pick for golden Tate. He is so much better than Nelson Igor and they're on a by. So they get a week to integrate him into the system. His second by his second by. Yeah. That's interesting. We'll go the Tate be more. Impactful than Amari Cooper, will this be the big trade deadline deal. For his value. Yeah. Yeah. For the guy value, you think? So. Yes, he's maybe the biggest loser the day. Absolutely. Really? Yeah. I mean, he goes for from team where he was the number one guy in terms of targets to potentially third at best. He he. Okay. But there was a three headed monster there in in Detroit and when throwing thirty thirty seven point five pass attempts per game Stafford through forty attempts last week. But before that he was pretty low thirty or fewer Wentz completing seventy one percent of his passes almost he's playing out of his mind. I guess I could see where you're coming from. Situation, you're cutting or benching outright. But in terms of where he is coming from. I don't think it's like a God, he's awful. But he he loses. If you're just talking about from which side of this. He comes out the thing is I don't think Agla Jordan Mathews, they have no fantasy relevance. But I don't think they completely disappear from the offense. And yes and tape was getting twenty seven twenty eight percent of the targets in Detroit. Those two over the last four weeks of accounted for twenty five combined. He's not getting one hundred percent of what they were getting. And that's not including God her, right? Dave your thoughts on the straight. Yeah. I'm not as doom and gloom on it as Jamie he thought, but I do think it's a little step down for golden Tate. Whereas he was getting ten targets. Eight catches a game. And that might be a little too aggressive in Detroit. I think it's gonna go down to maybe eight targets and six to seven catches per game in Philadelphia. The one thing that I really. About this for Tate is that he's going from a team that finally solved. It's running back riddle and started to phase out. Just how much they use Tate last week notwithstanding because he did have twelve targets playing for mine, and I was going to team that has a tough running back situation. Philadelphia didn't address it at the deadline. They are they're stuck with Smallwood Clement sproles and Adams mixing and matching and Tate's going to be an extension of that run game. He can also do a little bit as far as stretching the field. And that's the one thing that's been missing all along and Philadelphia's offense they need somebody that can make plays downfield. And I think it's going to be dispatched that way five times a game not necessarily the case you're saying is playing outside then more so than he could end up playing inside and outside in a little bit about in Detroit house. I heard him because he's better suit as he is. He is. But I don't think that necessarily hurts him. I think it gives them a chance to get some targets and quality targets at that running row. That he wasn't necessarily doing as much. I don't have the data in front of me for how many deep routes per game. He was running or how often he was lining up outside. I think he's going to end up spending most time in the slot. But some of those routes will be deep routes other thing like it's a it's a loss. If only because he has a by this week when he was going to play and next week and his very first game with the eagles. You have the uncertainty. Whereas you knew what he wasn't a tree that's fair to true. Yeah. He's one hundred catches. He's not going to get that. Now and his value did go down in the trailer and just to go full circle here. Jamie said it best you're not gonna cut golden Tate. I don't think. Well, you can't this. We. Non PR. No. I think if the guy he was borderline starter. None PR. Anyway, if your PR sixteenth PR go, Dave, I think I think you should check in with whoever owns take nearly. And if they're unhappy with the trade, you try and get them cheap. Carson Wentz to Shawn Watson recipes Wentz with. I think that's what I'm most excited about. I'm excited that Wentz gets another weapon because I really don't think atop by quarterback again. Yeah. Well, I wonder where he is since the last five weeks. I gotta be right there close. Yeah. Even though he isn't not finished higher than eighth. I don't believe even last week. He's done it consistently every week. He's been top twelve. So I mean, he's Notre Bisky but bad games. Yeah. And honestly, like, I know you think he's third now. But is it possible that golden tastes better than now? Sean, Jeffrey, absolutely. It's the unknown. You know, go back to what we said when Carlyle was traded is hide better than net is high better than Yeldan until you see it, you don't know. Yeah. If that that will come down to just how quickly Tate simulates into the offense and how well he does. With the coaches asked him to do looks like Carson Wentz is number six quarterback. Since returning on a per game basis. And I I don't know how you guys feel. I would still put Tate ahead of the three receivers that have been traded. I'd put him ahead of Thomas, and I put him ahead of Cooper. Would you put him ahead of golladay or Marvin Jones? No, all right. Let's talk about them. Big winners. Boom. Yeah. How about this this week dove a big one? If roads by Kenny golladay has five games with five or more targets, and he's been great and four of them and he had seven fantasy points at PR eleven and PR and the other one. So he's been good in one great and four Marvin Jones cut up and down. He's also five games with six or more targets. He scored five eleven twelve five and Twenty-three fantasy points at PR. You know, he's not a huge catch guy. But yeah, big opportunities. So you'd rather have you can take golladay over golden tape. But you'd rather have Marvin Jones over golden Tate? Yes. Okay. I don't think I'm there in PR. Where does where does Cortlandt Sutton rank amongst the Denver, Detroit guys? And and golden Tate. I think behind all them. He's right there with date. He's behind the Detroit guys. I would take him ahead of Tait and maybe not in. But in non PR, take meditate, and I take an Thomas both see that's really interesting. It's really hasn't proven anything, you know, and these guys some place place, but so his coal Tate. Obviously and gold taste four straight ninety catch seasons. Colon Sutton's, a rookie who's case keenum as quarterback, you know. It's just all about opportunity. Yeah. All right. And then finally time on Gumri to the ravens they're big impact here. All right now, we're getting to the big trade of the day. I like, I don't think there's I don't think there's much here. Because what are the ravens expecting? They gave up a seventh round pick in twenty twenty. Four. I think whatever he can do to help their run game out they'll be happy with. But I don't think it's going to be a big role, and it's great and Green Bay because we got one less rat out of the rat race. Okay. It's bad. It's bad for Collins in divorce. I it makes me nervous about them for sure it changes like Jones is now a surefire number two running back for me and Williams gets a boost because he may be the one that plays on passing downs. Yeah. Okay. Jamal Williams will be available on your waiver wire would rather pick a according to some sites so Alaron Jones, please Jamal Williams or or Josh Adams. That's a good one. I think just given the fact that they didn't make a move the deadline kinda tells you what they think about. Okay, go Adams and Washington acquired safety Haukeland Dixon, the Packers for fourth round their defenses nasty. That's a good move. And if the great move, it's stupid move from the Packer standpoint great for anyone facing the Packers and the Rams acquired defensive end not foul there from Jacksonville and other great move probably somewhat. You don't pass for shop. They can get. All right, guys. Thank you. Thank you for fifteen minutes. You sure we're done. There was a trade trade. It was the guy. I miss that must this that trade since I've got to ask Jamie can hop back on Alice college Aaron Jones recipes it Jones Jones who was that way before. Was that way before way before that just wanted to add it might it might be Williams over Alex way? The way the. I think that the ravens just want timeout Gummer to return kicks. That's my that's my hot take their ELO Aaron Aaron Rodgers wins and loses on the same day. Why I can't imagine. He's happy that they got rid of one of their better defensive players. Oh. Well, I'm sorry that I made Jamie talk after the gotta go by we totally ROY. The second one that line by Dave Dave play us out. Now.

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Trade Deadline Takeaways, and Rams vs. Saints and Rodgers vs. Brady Previews | The Ringer NFL Show (Ep. 335)

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It's been fun. We another ACTA trade deadline. You wrote about that today? We talked a lot about why it's more active now than it has been in the past. But we're not going to do that today. We're gonna take more into the specifics of the players that got moved. That's how we're gonna kick off the shoulder day come into a little bit earlier just because the traits happened on Tuesday. So no reason to keep waiting around all week. This is going to be the biggest news for shore. So let's start our takeaways with the NFC east where three teams made splash trades are portrayed from last week. The eagles went out the perpetually all in eagles went out and got golden Tate and some more surprising move. The Redskins went out and got Packers safety ha Clinton Dix. So I mean, this is. A division where everybody got a little bit better. So guess who won the trade deadline Robert Mays? It's probably John Johnny Gruden as I wrote today on the dot com. Jon Gruden when the train deadline because he got his first round pick for Marco per week before we figured out the value of a above average receiver, and the NFL guess, you could phrase it that generously. So golden Tate to the eagles. Very fascinating to me. I taught to a number of people in the eagles organization in training camp at the beginning of the season. And one of the things we're just talking about their inefficiencies and talked to Jeffrey Loria about a little bit. And it's in a story I wrote in September. But one of the things they thought was a real advantage was getting in guys to see if they're worth a long term commitment kind of a date before you marry type deal that has worked with Al Sean Jeffrey that took a one year flyer on then they extended for four years golden Tate is that golden Tate is a yards after catch Lord. Like he he breaks tackles at a better rate than almost anybody at the receiver position. He's basically running back in the open. Field. I love him in this offense. You know? I Elliott shore parks as tweeted and written a couple of times last twenty four hours that the only thing you need to be worried about right now if you're the eagles surrounding Carson Wentz with talent. And this does that so they get half a season for them. Charles Robinson, Yahoo reported. I think he's gonna be asking for sixteen million in free agency. I don't know if he gets it at age thirty. But I think generally, it's a great move. It's going to maximize their ability to win the NFC into the Redskins are still going to be there. You know, Hockley index deejays where I enjoy are the two highest rated safeties by pro ball focus this year. So they've got a form secondary. Now to go along with that run defense, which I guess is important in some weird way. And so yeah, the NFC east got better on Tuesday. Neither of these teams as contenders. But the the race just got more interesting. I'll be curious to see what happens if the eagles. I'm not wanting to throw them out of the Super Bowl contender conversation Super Bowl. Can I think it's possible? I everything breaks. The Derek Burnett Inge. Kills them. Yeah. It kills them. But that's a spot where they have the most depth on their team. No, I agree. But I you win with depth the defensive line. That hurts. But I don't think that precludes them from making some noise. I think the world of the eagles. I would not be surprised if they made an jam came by any means Carson Wentz is quietly playing very well right now numbers wise, it's better than you would has playing last year. He's completion percentage his way up people have talked mostly in a fantasy kind of about how the golden Tate trade kind of kills off Nelson. Aga- lauren. I don't really believe that just because this is a team that uses more twenty one personnel. Then excuse me, twelve personnel than any other team in football. And it's pretty convincing. Dallas guttered Zakar. It's playing together a lot and they didn't necessarily do that last year. They did a decent amount of it. But they also were willing to go eleven pretty often. And it also seems like they could play Tate, Aguilar and. Alshon Jeffery together. I think this gives them another playmaker. And I think this makes their offense better when they're lacking running back talent everything else. So and in terms of the compensation, even if he doesn't get sixteen million, even if it's a deal more in the thirteen million range, alshon, Jeffery. That's exactly what she just got pure are sewn got nine and a half million dollars two seasons ago. I feel like golden Tate at thirty still pretty darn well from self with the eagles being over the cap currently for twenty nineteen it's almost certain that they won't be spending it all. So they're going to get a cop pick four golden Tate in twenty twenty almost for sure just because they're not gonna have any money to throw around and free agency. So they're renting in for eight games by giving up a twenty nine thousand third round pick. But they're probably gonna get a pick a year later. Anyway, I have a new theory on this. And it relates to Tate who obviously is going to be thirty or thirty one negotiating. So I've written a lot about sort of the NFL's age problem and. Sort of skewing of rosters towards the guys in the first four years. It's almost ridiculous. This point Jason FitzGerald from over the cap tweeted, I saw last night sixty one percent of NFL rosters and made up of players twenty six and under only fifteen percent are thirty and over. And when you consider how many of those guys are quarterbacks you start to see a kind of stark picture for veterans. I guess I'm wondering if someone like Tate isn't an inefficiency because teams just hate hate hate signing player to third contract right now. Maybe you get Tate from much cheaper than you would. Normally if you just look at his numbers. I mean so much of the Amari Cooper stuff was oh, he's only twenty three years old who cares? Twenty three years old. He's making fourteen million dollars next year. The only point of age is those guys. I mean, unless you think he's going to spend fifteen more years in the Cowboys. The only point of age aside from some injury difference is that. That they're on their rookie contract. And so if you can get a guy who's thirty thirty one thirty two with massive production. I know there's a bigger risk there. But he's on a cheaper deal. That's massive inefficiency for some like the eagles to pick up a guy like Tate. We'll see what has market is. I feel like if you can get him for something a little bit less than that top wide receiver tear, even thirty because let's be honest to your contracts, anyway, so if you're gonna give him, you know, most of that money in the first two years guaranteed. So let's say it's something like thirty million dollar range, and you have a market where guys are making sixteen seventeen artists. Good as he is like Charvis Landry. For instance. I think that that's something that's palatable for most teams. The problem is he's walking into a market where he's going to be by far in my opinion, the number one option other free agent wide receivers next season. I'm not even counting lay. It's Gerald Randall Cobb Donte Moncrieff on Austin John Brown, Germain curse, Kevin white. Mike Wallace co. Oh Beasley Quincy noon wa. Kelvin Benjamin Germain curse has more yards. Since it started twenty seventeen in the Marco, it's it just seems like it's going to be the guy, and that's going to pump up his his market. But if that's a good thing for Philadelphia that makes total sense. And it's the reason that the lines just couldn't keep him. I'm not surprised at all that they traded and we'll get into that a little bit later on. But let's talk about the Washington trade for two seconds. Here are do you think this moves the needle for you at all regard to Washington? I mean, this is a team that's winning division. Currently feels like they absolutely could squeak out ten games if things break the right way. But I know their defense could already I mean now they have two of the best safety in the league right now the way they're playing, but if you can't score twenty points twenty four points. I'm not sure that you're a playoff team. Yeah. I mean, we talked about the other day is agent Peterson when game for you is not necessarily sustainable. This is a team that is thirteenth in pass defense right now, let's say Clinton Dix and he's been consistent. I don't know. If that pro football focus grade reflects. Sort of the ups and downs of his last few years in Green Bay, but it makes them a little bit better. So now you have a above average or sightly above above average past defense with a good run defense. That's enough to get you a couple more wins. But if the eagles, I think this is all dependent the entire division is dependent on the eagles returning normalcy. If they returned to how they should be playing. The Redskins have no chance, let's talk about the Clintons. Trae from the Packers perspective. Do you like this for Green Bay? It just seems like a risk. I if feels like this team could absolutely make the plan gonna try to squeak out a mid round pick forum when in reality, you might just be able to write it out. This team does not do much free agency. Maybe they're making planning on making some sort of push. And that's why they felt like they could let him go because they didn't really mind the comic calculations because this franchises Stoorikhel is obsessed with that. They don't sign free agents for the most part all the only guys they sign include. Jimmy Graham, our players that were cut from other teams because they love their third round, compass. So it's a good question. So I we talked about the possibility of Clinton X trade last week. My general thought is this and I'll just take the Packer side for one second before swinging around Aaron Rodgers becomes even more expensive, very soon, you need as many pictures, you can get because the only way you can win with the very very expensive quarterback is to hate on a lot of your picks. They're not gonna win the Super Bowl this year. They know that there's probably no scenario in which they reached the heights of the Rams and the saints. I know they just played them last week. But I think that if you just looking at the rest of the season there's no guarantee of made the playoffs. So if you're good and Kunst, if you're Mark Murphy, if you're rest ball, and you look at this this this landscape, I think maybe the Aaron Rodgers deal was essentially for another four or five years. He's going to be around. I think you play a modify. Guide long game push towards next season. Hope you can hit on a number third round pick. I mean, listen they had a really good draft last year. A really good draft in two thousand eighteen gyro exander is really damn good. The secondary guy was awesome. The secondary guys. They added a really good. So this regime is shown they can draft. And so I think that if you're looking at twenty nineteen you have an extra third round pick to play with fourth round picks me to play with. I think that's that is defensible to safeties are troubling. My man, I'm just saying Germain Whitehead Ken show. And I'm not saying I would have done it. I'm saying that I'm taking if I was to make the argument from the Packers side if I was sent out there to make the argument from the Packers side, that's what I would say. As a bears fan. I love these moves. I love the golden tapes raid, I love the hawk Lynn, dick straight. It's all great. I love that the Vikings didn't do anything. It's wonderful. So it was a good day all around for team. It didn't make any traits. So Quinn talk about my next theory. Yes, I very excited about it. Why don't you laid up for us? Okay. So the king stayed the king's. There was probably a very small chance that anybody who was not in Super Bowl contention was going to vault into sue bull contention on Tuesday. The only possibility would be maybe the chargers traded for some elite player like Patrick Peterson would have helped their corner situation. The Vikings would have could have gone out and gotten a shady McCoy or levian bell. Something like that there was not altogether likely, but could have happened that could have changed the landscape of contenders in the NFL. So that didn't happen. And so the four teams that were SuperBowl contenders on Tuesday morning or the. Teams that were SuperBowl contenders on Tuesday night that being the saints. The Rams the chiefs in the patriots. The Rams went out and made that deal for Dante Fowler. I liked it. It was smart. It was low risk. They were already all in. Now. They're all inter I was on the radio with Nick right last night. And he made the the analogy to the Rams there. The guy who are at the poker table, and they're just like throwing their watch on because they've around a money, but they're just like your here's here. I'm throwing the watch trying to on the phone my wife trying to get the keys of the car here that whole thing they're just they were already all in. And now, they're all inter. And so I think that it was a good day for those teams because I don't the hierarchy necessarily change. I still maintain that the two biggest the biggest X factors league were not trades. They're Wendy Joey Bosa and Eric berry back because that's those are the best players who who haven't played for a team in the first half of the season. So I don't think this changed the playoff picture. It did not change the Super Bowl picture. I agree. I feel like most. Looking around the league, and they understand who's willing to go for it. And why and it's been that way for the last six months or so I mean the arms race that's been going on between the Rams and the eagles spin so fun to watch. I mean, those are the teams that are in every single trade conversation because they're liable to make trade at any point for anybody. The eagles were in the Patrick Peterson conversation. How do they have the money? They'll find it somewhere. I guess it's fun. I just love this version of the league when the formula has become so clear if you have the quarterback, you just have to go as hard as you can in that direction and the Rams and the eagles understand it better than anyone because they probably have the best rosters and they're going for it. And it's a blast. It just the NFL has never been like this. And it makes this time of the year so much more enjoyable, I loved it. I loved it. I enjoyed just the idea. I mean you've ever even two years ago. We were saying, well, what the hell why can't we get this trade deadline dough? And and now, it's it's it's going. It's I mean, it's churning like on all cylinders. It's really really. Yeah. So I totally agree with you. I just think that there's a clear twenty Asian between the teams that should be doing this in the teams that shouldn't. And most teams around the league understand that. So you enter that you like the follower trade for the Rams. Do you feel like a third and fifth is worth it. I feel like that's a really good return for Jacksonville. Maybe it can be true for both. I agree. So if you're a moment swing around in the Rams here, again, if you're the Rams, and you know, you have a limited window, and you say, okay. Well, we can win the Super Bowl if we just get one more pass rusher than you. Do it Dante Fowler. I think is sixth in just pass rushing by PF grades this year thirty second overall as far as edged offenders. So if you think you can get to the quarterback that's damn important. It's to saxes fifteen hurries. He's fine. Will the Rams were already third and hurries in the entire NFL? So it's just sort of a rich gets richer. It's not like, obviously defensive line was not a huge weakness for them. They have the biggest game recor of. Decade on the defensive one. So this here's I said, yes. And no, I mean, I can understand where you're coming from with that. But when you don't have any guys that make a huge impact that starts to matter consumers put a lot of defensive end for this team. So when you need a guy on the edge that can do some stuff because if you don't then the focus can shift so hard to those guys on the inside. And I think that this makes everybody better, and you can say Dante Fowler only has an impact in Jacksonville because the guys he's playing with. But that's true LA to. I mean, these so much talent next to him that it's not as if he's gonna take a lot of attention. So that's the argument. I mean, he can have the same impact for the Rams that he had for the Jags. And that's probably true for maybe two or three teams in the entire league. Yeah. But I'm just saying the point is to win a Super Bowl. And I think that the cheese if you read some of the report around the chiefs, they did not want to go super all in because they know they have a longer window with Mahomes than golf does because Mahomes was drafted one year after so you just have to consider that. As far as going all in by the way, that she tried to get all Thomas a month ago. So now at the standing, Pat, they didn't overpay for a guy who who A-Team been when apart with like apparently, Landon Collins or dinars Jenkins or even ha Clinton Dix. So who was available, obviously. But I just think that if you're the Rams, and you think this is Super Bowl, then it's worth it. You know, I kinda think I didn't the long game is very important. But I can see why if you think if you think in the short term, this is our window. You take it, you know, one of the things remember reading a story a couple of years ago about arson Vang or the arsenal manager, and they quoted Billy bean and Billy bean said something that's so committed. It was that. Well, he manages to complement is a key manages the team like he's going to be there for a hundred years. And I understand why that's a compliment for an why Bangor will take a compliment. Why being would say it? But isn't the point like if you're bandaging like that all the time, you you never really realise when your window is your window? And that's sort of what I admire about Snead in McVeigh is they understand this is the time. And Fowler was the only guy that was available who they think they can make them better than the third round pick and fifth round pick is fine. So here's say about that. I think that's a fascinating point with a matching for a hundred years because I agree with you that you should go for it when you can go for it. But I also think that having that long view is a product of self awareness and a lot of ways and not enough franchises have that self awareness. And that's why one of my takeaways that I kind of like the golden trade for the lions. Yeah. Let's go. It makes sense to me. Because if you don't if same with what you said about the Packers if you're not gonna win the Super Bowl, which I don't think the lions are you get a third round pick for golden Tate mixture and alliance aren't gonna win the Super Bowl. I don't think. So I know you're shocked by this third round pick for golden Tate next year and everyone reliance fan was crowing about a w-. A why would we trade golden Tate? We're gonna third round pick for him. Anyway, that's not how that works. That's only if you don't sign any other free agents, the lions aren't the eagles. They have kept space, and they have tons of holes. So if you're the lions you thirty five million in space for twenty nineteen right now, you probably have a couple of cuts who knows what the caps going to be. Maybe it's one ninety two. So. Forty seven fifty pretty quickly. And now, you don't have golden Tate. Now, you don't have to worry about the topic thing you spend and you have that third round pick in hand next year. I just think that a lot of GM's like the GM and Tampa who sat there and just said, no, we're not training to Sean Jackson. I don't care have the short view of this. And sometimes you have to like that. But yeah, that was a job preservation, and the only way the only way that would have turned the owner was like we got a we got to play the long game. And that's one hundred percent, and that's fine. But I'm just saying it's nice to know that maybe you have that job security because you can make smart decisions. And that's what the lions did. I feel like it's not counterintuitive for you to trade for Damon Harrison, and then trade away golden Tate Damon Harrison is on a decent size contract. Next year. It's a seven million dollar hit. But there's no dead money. You can move on from him at any point. It's a low risk contract for a very good player. And you gave up a lesser pick than you had. Then you got in the golden trade. I think that both of those moves even if they seem like they're fighting each other are in pursuit of the same goal. I really do. And that's to make your team that best. It can be over the next few seasons to Bob cleanest, Matt spoken to the media since the draft. That's incredible. That a lot of teams do that though. But you would assume. That's true. I I think every GM in the league is at least bailable a couple times a year. I don't want. I'm not an access complaining guy. I just found that very fascinating. I feel like there's some teams where they're available after at the end of the season press conference. Maybe I'm wrong about that. After the draft at the end of the season press conference. But it would seem like after you make to blockbuster. Trees GM would be available. Tom coughing, speak a lot to the media. I I don't keep tabs on all this. But that's not super shocking. Pretty reclusive. It's kind of funny to me. Okay. Yeah. No. I get it. I they're going through a rebuild. I guess in Detroit. I mean, I just I kind of feel like. This extends the Packers as well. Because there are four clear cut teams. It's really hard to break into that. I kind of feel like this is the year to retool a little bit and look towards twenty nineteen. So you look the lions have Matthew Stafford and we've gone over this million times. I know doesn't seem like Matthew Stafford is a elite elite quarterback. Maybe he's not, but Matthew Stafford can win you a Super Bowl because you can put up a lot of points and only a couple of things need to change for him to get into that elite elite level. Okay. So if everything breaks, right? The lions could be contenders because they have a really good quarterback. So I think that pushing your chips into next year is a or twenty twenty maybe they're targeting twenty twenty is a fine strategy whether or not it'll work is a complete different different subject, but the strategy might be. So I really like where this team is going off their offense of light has been so much better this year so much better Matthey staffers knocking pressured at all they're running the ball. And losing golden Tate. Hurts you on the offense. Obviously, he's a really good player. But you have Kenny golladay, and you have Marvin Joan stylistically, very different. You can't replace Tate stylistically, but you can make up a passing game with those guys still pretty dangerous. I think you need some money to go after your defense, and you need some picks to go after place on defense. That is important agree. They beat the patriots issue. I twenty eighteen is the all time record holder for just games that might not have actually happened. It's still a jets lions game the lions played two of them. The jets law. Hens game was the weirdest game all time and then the bills Vikings game was weirdest game of all time. And then the lions patriots just didn't make any sense. And the lions just got shellacked by Seattle. It's there's a lot of weird stuff going on with the lions most of all we're absolutely living in a simulation f why last one here, which receiver of the three that were shredded you feel like we'll have the biggest impact on the team. Going to play for this season. Obviously. So we have this. We have this question because we wanted to mention marriage Thomas, but I'm going to be doing that. I'm going to say golden Tate. Okay. That's totally fine. Let's talk about wide to marry his Thomas impactful because he doesn't play offense of line. He is not as good for this offense as willful now. I firmly believe that he's a much different receiver. The only thing that's good for this is that he's going to take away some attention from geometry Afghans, you need another outside presence. So you can't just roll over the Hopkins every single time. That's why Mary's Thomas was trays and it's fine. I'm fine. I just anything that can help to Sean fly on commercial aircraft may okay with all the matters at this point. All right before we move on. Let's take a quick break. Co create super cool hands on project for kids that makes learning about steam fun Kiwi. Co projects are designed to spark creativity. Tinkering and learning and kids of all ages. 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So we both went talk with the Browns. Yeah. It's a big week for Brown's chatter. I don't think. I'm going to throw this out there. I don't think Greg Williams should be. I think that they should just cleaned house. And I think they've Greg Williams maybe should not be allowed to coach the Browns. We're not that far removed from Greg Williams being disallowed to coach anywhere in any capacity in the NFL. I not a lot of not allowed to red flags more red than it's time to solve the dysfunction YouTube or fired and we're bringing in Greg Williams to smooth everything out. What is to go wrong? What is that a team led by Greg Williams that has the number one overall pick? Oh my God. I mean, could that's the I I can't imagine everything that led up to Greg Williams here to sell the dysfunction now. First of all I had a couple tweet this Avni. And and I completely agree. We had like five Howdy episodes of hard knocks rather five or six something like that. Yeah. We had just five and a half hours of documentary evidence at this was going to be a complete disaster. And an absolutely was they weren't hiding for the cameras. No. That's the stuff in brownies. Are who we thought they were coach you imagine. What we didn't see they okayed all that stuff at a certain point that conversation Haley and Pugin that meeting there was like, well, it's not as bad as the other shit. I guess we might as well, let them show that. Do you? I have I have a friend who do you know that there's a lot of the what gets on TV and what doesn't is. Endlessly fascinating to me because you know, the Mike up stuff goes through NFL PR. Stan sure I was once told that if if rau- audio got through. Into the masses and was not edited out by teams that there'd be a massive scandal every week. Oh, absolutely guys say to each other. It's just unbelievable. Just like they find out what? Okay. Find out their deepest darkest secrets and they just screaming at each other. I feel like it some point when the league stepped in and just took over the Hornets. I'm not saying it has to go to that degree. But maybe the league should step into like, I don't know. Who's a good example like Marv Levy Marv Levy was on the Monday night game. He was his there which Kelly when Thurman Thomas's jerseys getting retired Marlee he's like ninety five years old. But it's like Marv just take over the team for five eight weeks. Like, you're in charge. Like, we know it's not gonna go that great. But we know it can't be worse than Greg Williams. Could also just make it like a Bill Snyder thank Kansas stained as making the coach for like a decade. Bill center came in to shore out this Kansas state thing after on France through there for ten years, that's such such. Check that out a couple of weeks ago. I couldn't even believe he was still there. I don't really watch college football anymore. But I'm like bills who's coaching Kansas state now. Oh, it's Bill Snyder. Fetter? Yeah. I was shocked at all of that went down. But it was amazing. I mean, he's an all time. Great college football coach this off topic. But that was one of the worst college football programs in the history of college football, when he took over I believe in nineteen eighty nine and the fact that they've been nationally relevant for the last thirty years in any capacity. It's just a miracle. But there are other examples totally Dungy. Tony Dungy's is sitting there on TV to just go take over Tony like having a dull to be in the room. That's all that matters. And there is not one now. Wait, I just you know, they should bring in. Bruce arians. Oh way better choice having not just perfect. So he was he was Brown's offensive coordinator in Tim couch era, you bring a man he gives some funny quotes to the media. He yells at some people. He you know, he valuate some talent he tells Baker Mayfield. What to do he yells about spread offenses for a while? And then he just leaves goes back to the booth was he calling that game on Sunday, or no, I don't I don't think. So I don't think he was either. But if you were just like he could've stayed flowed back with the team. I think he was calling the panther's game. I can't remember all these games on mute. So I never pay it. Well, I can't I watched one game with sound. But I watched the red zone on mute. Okay. Because it just drives me crazy when I'm going back and forth. I'd rather listen to hire a game and here like the rhythms of the non is then have him swim. Time wrote a story two years ago about Steve ballot. Check, Bill Belichick, son. And he said that he learned football by wa. Watching games on mute. And the reason he did that was because his grandfather bill's father thought the announcers were just all eighty it's and they will never watch game with the sound on. And I don't think that I just learned a lot about Bill check. When I heard that story. I would rather watch like on Sunday. I'd rather watch the bears game with Romo in Nance on one TV with the sound on and then have red zone on the TV not with us out. So I just listened to one set of announcers, so wait. So you're take shop is Browns related might take also Browns related and certain think this might not be a good coaching job. When I was talking about it on Monday. I was very into the idea that they could get a really good candidate. Yet. Baker Mayfield, the Rosser is very talented. But then you hear more and more stuff one Greg Williams as the interim head coach someone decided that was a good idea to who knows. How involve John Dorsey is going to be with all of this. You know, the whole problem with bringing Hugh back. Is that it seems like Dorsey and Hugh were in different chains a power within the organization has had the you know, he was their boss if we're doing like an org chart of how the Browns work. And now, it seems like Dorsey is going to be more involved. But the last time John Dorsey was the general manager member. The problem was that it just seemed like he struggle with the managerial aspects of it. He's a phenomenal scout. He's a phenomenal talent valuator, but kind of running that building is what a lot of general managers do. And who knows how that's gonna go. And in Kansas City, even you had a guy like anti Reid who had so much control over so many elements in when eighty read was in Philadelphia. He was much more of the overseer. He was the CEO head coach in a way that a lot of people are he'd been there for a long time mardi morning ran offense of meetings. Marnie morning did offense of install all that stuff in Kansas City. Andy Reid was in charge of that stuff. He oversaw everything Brian Brian Billick once referred to Andy Reed's. Reign as a benevolent dictatorship. There you go. So he now has he runs every human everything Kansas City. He still does. So you have a general manager that dealt with a coach that was super involved. And now you have GM that's probably going to be in charge again. And maybe that's not necessarily gonna be the case with who they hire. So I just think that I have more question. Let's say John Dorsey isn't the one that is really overseeing everything and super charge that leaves Jimmy has again. And we know how that's gone, so I just feel more and more about this. I'm getting a little more apprehensive about how good that job is for the person that should take it. So is a couple of things number one bad owners can become good owners. If there is someone in charge, you can take control of yoga nation. I think John doors. He's a really good GM. And I think that he can be empowered. And I think you can hire a guy like Lincoln Riley, and then he wins, and he has innovative schemes. I don't think it'd be a lot of meddling. That is my that is my guess, I think one of the problems, that's my hope one of the one of the problems with the Hasim regime has not necessarily been has Lomb. It's been the fact that they've hired a bunch of crappy people and in succession, and thus you know, you start losing. And then the meddling begets begets more meddling that kind of thing. So it kind of feeds on itself. It's it's. Negative momentum in in in the worst form. So I don't know if you brought in a guy who just started this lit the world on fire of Lincoln Riley starts five no next year. And Baker Mayfield is just crushing it. I don't know if it becomes a toxic environment. That's how you don't know. What a good person looks like in Cleveland because you haven't had it yet. I'm with you here. That's why it's might take shop. I think John Dorsey is very good. I just don't know about how it's gonna go when the power structure changes their little bit just because so far it doesn't seem like it's going pretty well. I agree. So I would love to see it go. Well, I would love to see Baker Mayfield succeed. I want that more that I want most things NFL related just because I think it'd be so fun. I my hope is that I'm very wrong about all of this. But I'm starting to get worried. Okay. I'm now worried I'm worried about worried about like ten things in the NFL more than I'm worried about that good. That's good. I makes me happy makes me feel a little bit better. All right. Let's get to the biggest three. Games of the week start off with. I mean a couple of blockbusters this week this rules. Yeah. It's fun. I mean couple of weeks over like, oh, man. We can't even find three pairs down Seahawks. Chargers could be a fun when we're not gonna talk about that. But we're start with Ramzan saints because that's a me is the headliner. I know Rogers Brady everything else. But these are the two best teams in the NFC. Did you see Marcus Davenport's out for a month? Really? And got a casino. First round pick got until injury. No that's brutal their past exactly been great with him. I gotta tell you toll injuries. Not something want to be involved in. It sounds more painful than like an ACL. There's so many different kinds vary. Wintering way. I mean turf toe is not a toe injury turf toe. No, it's a foot injury saying the types of turtles. Yeah. Yeah. I did that sucks. Doesn't sound fun. That's I've been hit by multiple cars in the last two years, and I'm completely fine with that. But toe injury. What are we thinking about this game? What do you look? So I'm looking for another test for both of these teams. They both had really interesting tests last week, obviously the saints with with the Vikings and the Rams the Packers. So I'm really excited to see with the top of the NFC looks like I'm looking for individual matchups more than I don't necessarily believe whoever wins, this has some sort of psyche advantage when they play again in January. I don't I don't really believe in that lingering digital matchups can can the saints make enough plays. I keep going back to the idea that someone like PJ Williams turned around their fortunes mid game last week when they were getting picked on. And then they made the, you know, the start forcing turnovers. So I'm just looking for that. I wanna see if either of these offenses is legitimately unstoppable. One of the things I learned in the Rams Vikings game was at the ram even though the Vikings put up, you know, a trillion passing yards and Adam feelings breaking records to fund digs uncover bowl in situ. Nations. They just couldn't hang with the Rams in a shootout. And that's what I'm intrigued by is. Or one of these offense is going to be able to find the extra gear and put up forty points put up thirty five points at the Malinche. It's twenty five. That's what I'm intrigued by just how units matchup one of the reasons the Vikings couldn't stick with the Rams and shootout is that the Rams excuse me the Vikings offensive line camp block the Rams, right? That's the number one elements me of this game is the Rams pass rush. And the important it's had over the last few weeks. There's struggles in the secondary make the pass rush crucial. It's necessary for them to stop people. And I don't know if they're going to be able to take over the game against the saints. Like they do against other teams the saints offense of line is so good and breeze gets rid of the ball so fast as of last week. It was the sixth quickest release time in the league. It was two point three eight seconds. And they have an offense of line with no leak MRs. There are no bad players on the saints. Offensive line think about that in two thousand eighteen how many teams can say that one two three and you can count on one hand easily. And I just feel like that's going to be a problem for the Rams. It's the type of game. I could just imagine turning into a shootout because I don't believe that the Rams can stop the saints. And it might just come down whoever has the ball last. I mean, if the Rams are going to say, all right, Marcus Peters. You have Michael Thomas. That's not gonna go. Well, it's not going to go for the Ramsey has not played all year. Who knows how healthy he is. And Michael Thomas, a monster the Rams off defensive just completely ill equipped to deal with the saints team in a way that they're not with almost any other team in football. Yeah. If it's a one possession game. I'm not gonna take a lot away from it. No. I think it could be because I also think the saints are going to have a really hard time stopping the ramps. Ono? I totally agree especially with Marcus Davenport out. I mean at this point what kind of what kind of defense, are you going to be? I don't I don't think even though they had. That recovery last year where they looked helpless in September. And then all of a sudden they've got the tenth ranked defense by points at the end of the season. I don't see that sort of transformation for the saints this year. I think they're obviously getting better each and every week on defense. But I don't think it's going to be that significant. I think they're going to have to just hang on tight on defense and try to win some of these shoot outs. This very weird stat. And I'm not exactly sure why it's true. But the saints have second best run defense in the NFL. Let's go are the reds game. Very good against the run, which is just bizarre to me. They don't necessarily have the personnel to do that. But I the Redskins is Houston surprisingly enough. I don't know. I just don't I don't care about the stat. So it's Houston the Texas defense is very good. But yeah, I mean, they're corners are a mess right now. But for the most part, they have good personnel front. So yeah, I I don't really know how this is going to go for the saints defense. I don't everyone is everyone is decent. Stopping the run is decent until they played the ramps and they have to deal with like having to put five guys in the box because the Rams have four receivers out there. And then girly gashes them every play. What do you think the over under us for this game fifty nine sixty that is that the highest ever? I don't think it's the highest ever. It's the highest. I've seen this season. Wasn't the highest under over on the NFL ever earlier this year? That doesn't surprise me. We've seen a lot of game or something that sounds right. Falcon Steelers was the highest the season that was fifty seven. This is sixty. Sixty. Oh, man. I'm all over this Reddit thread. There was a falcon saints game in nineteen seventy nine where the over under was thirty two. So that's all you need to know about football. All right. Let's get to our next one here. Packers at patriots. I mean, this is so fun. I went to UCF dot com this morning, and I saw their little illustration of Rogers in a helmet at it. Just it's warm by soul so much was like oh my God. I love seeing it. I love seeing him at anything that yellow fucking dome. Hypothetically. If there was someone on this podcast who was going to write the same column. They would have had a much different reaction to seeing that illustration, and knowing that they change the Rangel just throwing out ideas. So I did not necessarily enjoy see that 'lustration knowing that I have to write a different column. Now, I can understand why someone else wouldn't enjoy hypothetically. If someone had that co I'm ready to go for Friday. And then saw it. That's fine. Again, not saying it's me. It's definitely hypothetical. Yeah. So that was interesting. So I think that these are two, and it's really interesting to me because I talk about the golden generation of quarterbacks a lot breeze Brady, manning Rogers Rogers being the youngest one here and manning being the one who's been out of league three years. Yeah. And but what I find fascinating. Now is you see this younger generation? Mahomes, guys like that Carson Wentz guys who we know we're going to be around for the next decade and one of the things we're never going to see from them is their ability to navigate the different eras. When it wasn't the passing boom when the rules were different when it was more defensive. I mean, I just think what's interesting about Rogers and Brady is they reinvented themselves three or four times. I think I mean Tom Brady he came in as you know, I think the first Super Bowl he won. They described paper, cutting you to death sort of short passing, and then he goes to seven and now it's all signal and two thousand seven he's just throwing bombs or any moss or he's basically inventing the Myron slop position with Wes Welker two thousand eleven opens up even more. And now it's going back to the short quick passing. Because that's the Aira both of these guys. Mold themselves to the different eras of fifteen years. And it's unique because first of all the generation now won't have those different arrows and second of all day may not may not be good for two decades. What we've seen out of these two quarterbacks absolutely incredible. It's so weird watching the the patriots every year just so strange because watching Green Bay every year the offense is mostly static. We know what it's going to be run. A lot of eleven over the past few years. Not a lot of motion lot of slant flat. You know, what you're getting for the most part Green Bay. And then you go watch the patriots, and it's one of the same passing concepts. They've done that for years, and they've so many of the same plays in that playbook, but seventeen different guys running them. We've talked about the so much. Remember writing about it last season describe the evolution of their offense in how the plays Dona -sarily change. But the personnel packages change every week. I mean now they're running packages where it's eleven personnel. But Devlin is the running back James white is essentially their number one receiver. It's just a very bizarre team is far as their offense of game plans in their offense, a personnel structure, and I think that's not going to change this week. I mean, they destroyed the bears. By just put making them lineup and base personnel. And again, paper cutting them to death. That's what the patriots love to do. And they just wanna get your Outside Linebackers in coverage and just destroy them. And they love doing that to teams that run a three four and you're going it's another one this week. And I'll be curious to see what Bella check and mcdaniels are thinking because you can probably think this two ways one you could keep them in base and tear up guys like Klay Matthews, Nick Perry. If you make them drop or you can take team has traded away its best past defender. Best back in past defender, Alexander's pretty good, and you can make them flood the field with secondary players that probably shouldn't be out there, and you can attack them that way either with running the ball or something else. So I have no idea, and I never have any day with the patriots are going to do. And that's why the patriots are. So freaking good. It's fascinating. And what things interesting is. I think mcdaniels and and ballot. Check have had a lot of say in how the the patriots offense has evolved and stiffened rations mcdaniels meeting with Dan Mullen about the Meyer, offense and six there's a lot of ins and outs of just the history of that. I find really fascinating was interesting about broaders is I think any changes to his game have been via Rogers. And that's there's a lot of reasons for that. But it's interesting to me as far as Brady's fit within that system versus Rogers just improvisation in his brilliance. And I think that if you do like a departed deal and you switch them. I think it's very interesting history. I think that maybe I I kind of I don't know where do you fall on this Robert because I've been thinking about it a lot. Do you think that if Bella check had Aaron Rogers that it would be a dramatically different Rogers because it would be less sort of? Improvisation? I really don't know the answer to that. I thought about it that much I consider this. I'm more just few lake the inferno of talent that you would drop into the belch checks enough to make them dominant. And it's not that I think that they'd be better that much better necessarily because feeling would Brady is for that team. It almost defines them in a way. So it's hard to imagine. You know is this offense any different with Rogers? I don't know because Tom Brady is this offense every single element of Tom Brady is immensely. The processing decision making just how quickly he gets the ball. All of that stuff. That's who this team is at their core and Rogers, isn't that necessarily? So it's almost impossible to imagine. Just because it's so dramatically different. Yeah. I mean, it's unknowable and the, and it's very very fascinating to me. All right. Let's get to our third one of the week. Good old-fashioned Steelers ravens game. And guess what? Kevin after all of our hemming in Hong about the Steelers the beginning of the season, the Bengals the ravens are the Steelers done. The Steelers are in first place in the NFC north. Yeah. I've I kind of the ravens are in third. The ravens fell from grace. I know early season. And yeah, you lose two games. And all of a sudden you can you can fall quite a bit in the standings. I still believe in them. But I'm not I'm not talking. I'm not trying to talk myself into the ravens and San way was to ago. Yeah. I'm not either. I was watching that Steelers game against the Browns. And I know this is simplistic, and it's very much on brand for me. But you watch teams all around the league and you watch the Vikings and their passing game. And how the pocket crumbles every two seconds and Kirk cousins having to just throw into the backs of his offense of lineman arm angle on these Kirk cousins throws is hilarious. Like he's having to throw the ball over the shoulder of a guy running into him every single play. And he's still been pretty damn good at it to Shawn Watson the same way. And then you go watch a Steelers game Ben Rothlisberger during that game against the team with Myles Garrett and Larry Oga job who's been pretty good this year. Not was hit one time one. He was sacked one time any fumbled on that sack. Those jill. Kinda kinda got Garrett right? It was a very good player in the league right now. Ben Rothlisberger is the second least pressure quarterback in football. He is up there every single year and the number of sexy takes in the number of hits. He takes in pressure rate because this is a complete offense of line. That's played together for years. They know how to work together. They don't wanna pass guys off. They are just disgusting in the run game right now because they have such a feel for how each other play. And when you can have that at the core of your offense. It gives you a chance to succeed. And when the off it's a skill position players. You have are Tonio Brown juju Smith Schuster, James, Connor inevitably. It's gonna work. It doesn't matter. How what the struggles are any point in the season. How bad Ben Rothlisberger can be in stretches inevitably. It is going to work. I think they'll struggle a little bit this week. But those still make a couple of big plays. Because that's what happens when you have a very clean situation to work. It. I mean, I'm just looking thinking about last week against the Vikings. Drew Brees was hit one time the three times, I believe and this wasn't countered as a hit. But one time he was really bothered as he threw he threw pick. He threw pick. When these quarterbacks have just a perfect situation to work in there too. Good to not succeed. And that's just how I feel about the ravens offense or the offense right now. Even if against this ravens team, it's tougher slog in most. Yep. I agree. I think that in a weird way the season we saw so many weird things in the first month six weeks the season. I kind of think that everything is going to turn out almost exactly like we figured out with the exception of maybe the Jaguars. Yeah. I think the Jaguars are probably headed to a bad place. The place. All right Steelers room when the North Sea north cares. What do you think about? I mean, do you feel like the ravens can move the ball on the Steelers team because their defense has been much better as of late? I think that their pass rushes been better. But again ravens offense of Weiser pretty good pass protection as well. So I'm not sure if there are a couple of deep shots you can hit against this team. I think that Pittsburgh clearly struggled against the ravens and passwords and in in coverage when they played earlier this season. But I think this Steelers defense is finally coming around in a way, they weren't earlier around. Yeah. I don't know the answer to that question. And I because I think both these teams are changing rapidly. I'm I'm looking forward to that particular match up. Yeah. I think it's fun. I think it's going to be very telling about especially the Steelers play the Browns team, that's completely dysfunctional. Who knows what the hell is going on? I just feel like we're this defense was kind of a mess especially on the back end of the beginning of the season. It's starting to come around a little bit. And that's a scary proposition. Because. I don't know how their offense is going to be stopped. If they keep playing like this. Did you see Patricia today? I heard what he said to the team, right? I mean what else he got mad at a reporter, and he ripped his posture. What did he say the transfer preventively Woody reporter, what do you? Why do you think this move makes your franchise better? Patricia. Well, you know, do me a favor and just kind of sit up just like have a little respect for the process every day. You come and ask me questions. And you're just kind of like, you know, gimme this reporter. I'm sitting Patricia I'm asking just be a little respectful in this whole process. What are we doing here different worry about your posture? I don't know how mine is what I'm asking questions. I usually have I've not been. I've not been critiqued on that. I was once critiqued by used to be a lot heavier than I am now. And I was once critiqued about my press box eating habits by then offense coordinator, and I shared that story if you times, and then I had to I was informed. I cannot share that story anymore by ringer staffer. Because that person was body Channing me. So I just don't do it anymore. Okay. Don't tell that story anymore. Okay. I'm not worried about that Leone either. My was petro. Okay. All right. Do it was it was he was joking. He was joking. But it was real because I was over two hundred pounds. Teams joke. That's not the threshold. You're not over two hundred. I'm not ever two hundred anymore. But certainly was way over an impact Shurmur Whitney into shape like some sort of football. Richard simmons. I wish you could do the same thing for his football tape. The Thursday night football game this week is maybe the worst. There's a football game in the history of Thursday night. Believe that is typically accurate. Josh Chubu had a a stat about this. I don't have in front of me. But I saw earlier and I wrote it down. This is the worst time game in history football. Is there anything that you want to say about this game? Absolutely. Not. All right. Good. I'd rather playing the forty Niners. If you guys were curious, dude, I would rather have three hour long talk about my Pasha with Napa Tricia than watch this game. There's an football when it's on it's on all right guys. As always thank you so much for listening. We'll be back on Sunday, we -serily. Appreciate it. Talk to you soon. 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The Kist & Solak Show #36: Tate's Role, Nelly's Worth, & Film Review

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The Kist & Solak Show #36: Tate's Role, Nelly's Worth, & Film Review

"They. Hi, this is Jim chica- our podcast step over will be ballers podcasts that work for all of your Sixers needs. Says game breakdowns with a course in headband and more subscribed. Liberty Bowers podcasts heathen, I tune Stitcher sparked by or ever you get your favorite podcasts. And check out the step over a podcast about Sixers basketball. Mostly. Michael kissed Benjamin solar. It's the Kistin Solex show presented by SP nation and leading nation. You are why in high on the kissed and so lack show episode thirty six brought to you by the fine folks have Espy nation and bleeding greed nation as always I'm your host, Michael kissed. Follow me on Twitter at Michael kissed NFL. It's K ISD as always joined by the best dog co host in the game, Mr. eight year streak without a bad day Benjamin. So lack follow him on Twitter at Penn Jamin. So like, that's S O L A K, Ben are you doing better than Kyle a letter right now, Mike, I'm always having a good day and Cal probably having a bad day. So I think I what is yes. That is going to be the answer. Well, and just to clarify what I'm talking about the if you've been living under a rock he was recently. What was it arrested for nearly hitting a cop going the wrong way twice in traffic in two consecutive days? And on the second day nearly hit an officer who is standing there. So things are looking fantastic in New York as always. But Ben, I'm not sure if you're doing better than Kylo that it because you have a correction and a mission to make okay, I have sixty five percent of a cartoon emission. It was it was pointed out to me that philadel-. I said, you know, Philadelphia should've waited to sign Nelson. I if you're option, and it was pointed out to me Philadelphia could not have waited much longer than they did the fifth year option deadline passed in may and they signed him to in April. Yes. But then just don't sign into the fifth year option. I've thought they would have the ability to sign at this year. They don't but still obviously hindsight's twenty twenty but still they're clearly at a point where they should not have signed to the federal auctions. So just don't take the fifth year option. Right. Like after. Season. He's currently having eight games in right things. Let's say things don't really change for Aguilar using age it would be able to negotiate a nine point five million dollars for your contract, Mike. I mean, that's a good question. But you're also taking taking the risk there that knowing what we know now maybe not but the wide receiver market is weird dude than they would be in the ballpark. I guess here's here's all I'm saying, obviously, hindsight's twenty twenty obviously Agla orca came out and could have been just as productive as he was last year. It is worth noting that the only player the eagles really lost was Tori Smith as far as receiving option goes, right? And you would intimidate that. That loss would make Agra's depth of target increase deputize across his first three seasons. Average at ten point six it is currently at like eight point one or something. Right. So we've lost over two yards. Okay. So you assume it would make it increase. It has decreased Adler been good for one season in three and a half years as an NFL player. But what what what happens now with gold with golden Tate in the building? Okay. Don't dispute that things could get better with golden in the building. But are you gonna pay a guy nine point five million dollars to be good? When there are two other good receivers all your team is that like you're also saying better, this is this is what the eagles are clearly asking him to do from route depth perspective. What they want him to do is work. You know this short the short stuff when really he's better down the field working those intermediate areas of the field. So it's not necessarily that we get we get caught up with this idea that galore is bad. Because of what the team is asking him to do or isn't as good. Because of what the team is asking him to do is different this year. So, of course, was numbers are going to look a lot different. I think Adler still a dog on good football player that could work the intermediate, the feels and I think you're gonna see that golden Tate. Let me ask you this. Don't look how how many yards did I go overseas for last year? How many cameras receiving let's say seven hundred and eighty yes. Out hundred sixty eight. What was his catch percentage? I'm gonna put it at sixty seven percent sixty five percent while I'm good. Okay. All right yards per reception. Eleven point nine twelve point four. Okay. Ten million dollars? How many touchdowns eight? Okay. Eight touchdowns in is other three in his other. Let's see he had twenty first two seasons in eight game. So in thirty six games in twenty fifteen sixteen eighteen he has three receiving touchdowns cone come on. And then, you know, no don't do with the with the two years. Situational punched John's touchdowns to me are not a sticky statistic. Yeah. And he was awesome in the red zone last year. I mean, he is a red zone threat. They aren't target in there that that much this year 'cause they're they're really zero in on on Zakar DHS, and and Ron Jeffrey, but he's a threat there too. He's he's a threat from twenty to twenty n inside the red zone. So him nine point five million to be your third best reds on threat because L Sean, Jeffrey and Zakar Zakar is like one of the best red zone receivers in the league. Are you? How are you gonna put him up to that? You're really saying with what wide receivers are getting right now, I'm gonna pull up over the cab. I already have an hour to have it up already have it up. How many how many how many receivers are getting paid more than nine point five million this year go to two thousand nineteen because that's that's where the nine point five when he would get it. Right. Twenty one wide receivers next year that would get over nine point five mill his range is around what Michael Crabtree. And devante Parker are getting not counting any new free agents that signed next year. He's better. He's better than all the dudes like right around him. Although I really love is better than devante Parker. Get out of the building. You're saying that Nelson or isn't better on my God. Dude. If you're gonna throw stand there, we we everybody stop, everybody's not. I thought we were saying Davante Adams Parker. I take everything back. Everything back. I thought it was divided atoms. Monte Barker, I was I was about to. Adams Adams is only like five more until I looked at Adams while you were saying Parker. Away. He tried to convince me now Zagladin Montana. I read that everything I I agree. A lot of the people on on top of that list are better than him. Are I would agree with that? But I think that price range for for what you're looking at in that price range from those wide receivers is completely reasonable for next year. Albert Wilson eight point three Marvin Jones, eight point one Muhammed's new seven point four. Travis Benjamin six point five Taylor. Gabriel six point five rubber woods six point. One rubber woods. I would say should be compensated more than than that. Like, that's the one name that stands out to you can tell me that you like Agla right around that figure where Crabtree where Parker are. And where stills is. But here's my end Markey's leonine. Right. So the two above him are still nine point seven Parker at nine point three then is do blow or Crabtree had nine point three Markey's leonine. Here's my thing. Mike, I think if you were to go to dolphins fans and Jaguars fans and say, hey of the Kenny stills Parker Markey's lead deals. Good all of them would say, no. And then Michael Crabtree. The ravens you and have a debate. So we're looking at okay, you think aggo is worth that much. Everybody around him. I would argue overpaid. What's the what's the cost of doing business? That's what the market is. Ben, you can't change the market. And I like the Wilson deal. Unfortunately, he's out for the season. But he's a dog on good football player at eight point three million dollars. That's a solid deal. If I were dolphins fan. I would say, I'm totally cool. Definitely not. Devante Parker at nine point three. That's your stupid front office making bad contracts. Michael crabtree. At this point in his career is not worth nine point three. I would agree with that. But at the same time, what are you gonna pay him? You're going to pay 'em like like Taylor Gabriel at six point five or Allen Hearns at six point to like what what do you want us to gonna pay him? That would keep him in the building. You know, what I'm gonna pay him. I'm gonna pay him less than what I would be paying golden Tate. If I could just release Adler this year, get accomplished for them and keep tail roster. That's what I would pay him. What are you seeing as the the Detroit Lions did not expect Tate to resign with them? What would you expect the two thousand nineteen number for golden Tate's number to be in? What range are we talking like Doug Baldwin rains like because look Baldwin is that like thirteen mill would you say that's a fair arrange for him. Now granted he's he's going to be thirty one. So there's that I don't think golden Tate gets double digits as an average. Per year. So you think he's around? Can I still remember Mike when I was projecting in the Nelson piece when I was projecting. Tate's Compaq, I'm projecting fifth round. Right. Which means he's not getting a huge contract. So something like Mohammed to new around lake seven point four around there. Yes. Oh, man. If I could choose between Tate at seven point four and at nine point four, and I will get a compact, regardless. It's Tate ninety five ten times. Now is this based on? Okay. Let's let's say that Nelson galore is producing at the same level that he that. He did last year. Let's call it flat across the board. Yes. So that's that's like twelve point three yards per -ception currently at nine point one yards per reception. So let's say that production is consistent from last year to this year. Because I think he's I think he's largely the same player being asked to do something different. Would you still prefer that? Because I know. Yeah, nellie. If Nellie was bad for two years, and then he was good in twenty seventeen. And he continued be good in two thousand eighteen. Absolutely. Gimme the younger player who looks his. Game more several. He's still good. He's still good how Mike okay? I don't. Okay. I tell me tell me tell me what he's doing at a lower level this year from what he's being asked to do other than not being as dynamic consistently after the catch. Right. But it it's not even that. It's not even like, what is he doing worse? It's obviously Philadelphia used him in twenty seventeen we believe, and we'll go back to the tape in check that he was used more as an intermediate route runner, and he was used more as a as a guy who could get depth of target. And then you could hit him in striding continued run with the football. He was used more in the red zone. Okay. Let's like that's how he was using twenty seventeen. Even if he still has that capacity if Philadelphia's not gonna use him that way, which they have not used in that way yet in two thousand eighteen then he's not that valuable on nine point five million. Right. He isn't right. If he's going to play the Josh huff role. I don't wanna play him nine point five million dollars. Now, if they get him back into that role and things moose back up again. Okay. I still would love. To see them. You know, try to make incentive like one year nine point five million. Give me like three years with an average of like six million like how much prefer that, you know, give him longevity in a lower capital because it still feels like too much to understand. We're talking about one year at nine point five million. We're not talking about an average life of a new deal at nine point five million. It's one year absolute. So it's one year nine point five million in which either a he underplay underplays. And then you've got to accept the fact that you spent nine point five million on a guy who didn't return to value or be he plays to that value. And when you sit down with him at the table, give started figure is five million. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know about that look how he's awesome at these contracts that you gotta think about that. To look we are for what we wanted to talk about a less, you have a closing point. But this is the last thing I want to look at is. And over the cap is it's loading. It's loading the producers of pulling up over the cat, very slowly. I think I'm out of accidentally just add to so now. Our screwed. Okay. We're fine. I wanna see the percentage of their cap Philadelphia currently has allocated to wide receivers because this team has put good amount of money now into why receivers Agla stays in that point five mill I do think it's either or situation with Nelson Aguilar Angleton tape bringing them both back together with als on Jeffrey on the roster is well would be very difficult. The only avenue I can see Tate really, and the this'll be a good transition into the actual film on Golden State, which is the topic of today's the first half of today's. Yeah. Tae really just didn't get aglet. Didn't get downfield. Looks take religious. Didn't get downfield logs, right? Like Tate was used. So it's okay for tape. But it's not cool for nearly. We know. Yeah. Sorry. Go ahead. Okay. Well, that's that's just not the point. That's being made right now when I made it with Marvin Jones and Kenny golladay as the two receivers on the primary outside receivers for the lions Tate was very frequently used as a check down. Mike Tate was simply. Listen Ron cross the middle of the field. And if it's man keep running and if its own stop running, and if there's pressure mass apps gonna throw to you and pick up four yards, but sometimes Brig attack when pick up like twenty like just like that was his primary deployment. And so the only way I could see Tate being retained is if tape recognizing that he's getting older than thirty comes to a locker room that players have been very clear that they love right on a quarterback that that a lot of players love to play for right? A stellar quarterback. A great offensive mind. Let's not forget the eagles. Current offense coordinator is an ex wide receiver coach. So there's a lot of love for that in the building. And I was talking with Brad Kelly the other day break is wide receiver guy. But how Sean Jefferies just releases route running drastically improved to plays where set the Jaguars tape with with Jeffrey route running, but will the that's different matter. So it's good place receives his older guy. And Philadelphia's very successful with him and Tate starts to get more. Like interesting routes and more dynamic plays. And he gets the ball in his hands. Actually downfield born he enjoys it. Then perhaps we're talking about a situation where he's a veteran discount player the twenty nineteen free agent wide receiver class is not that strong. And so taken probably go make decent money out on the open market. But if he wants to stay in Philadelphia, and he's willing to take that veteran discount than that's the only way could see all three of them staying if that were to happen. They absolutely would have to come to camp. And be like, hey, then I point five million is not guaranteed. We'd like to negotiate that figure down and extend you for multiple years, obviously, they don't have a ton of leverage there because the threat would be. And if you don't negotiate it down, we cut you. But if we cut you don't get a Compaq from you. So it's very hard to there's no not a leverage there. But that's the only way see Tayag or stay. That's the only avenue if that were to happen. People would say, oh, well, Philadelphia's not going to get the Compaq trade a third for Tate will if they signed Tate it's harder to write number one. You're keeping Tate number two. It's harder now because you put. Money into Tate to recite Jordan Hicks, ran Graham, while Darby and when those guys walk you get context, right? So kind of it's not about getting the Compaq from Tate. It's about introducing Tate to the pool of twenty nineteen free agents will lead to more complex and potentially more high priced complex in the twenty twenty draft that that's kind of the best way to look at it tastes. Now. A piece of the puzzle like the umbrella in which you put that under anything else on take a new you have a great piece on bleeding greenish dot com where you broke down his games, his his strengths. How he was used was anything specific that you saw that Detroit. Did that you feel translates to what the eagles might try with him and Nelson galore coexisting together along with Sean Jeffrey, of course, a absolutely contacted as how many slots are there on the field. Mike like going Tate is a slot receiver. How many slots there on the field from you can typically get like two on the field unless you're going? You can get two slots that by the definition of a slot receiver. He is. The innermost receiver in the formation. But what makes a slot receiver valuable? What makes a rob from the Slough valuable? We always have to go back. Like, what's the what's the origin here? What's the reason? And what makes the slot? Interesting. Is that you have to way go from the slot when you're outside receiver and you're lined up three yards from the sideline. You can't go outside. There is no outside. Right. You're going downfield or inside. And that leads corners play you in different ways. They play you with leverage using the sideline as help from the slide. You can go inside or outside. That's why you like your quicker guys there because they can really maximize that inside outside versatility. Well, nobody said you have to put your outside receivers all the way outside. So while they're only two slots one on each side of the formation. You can really have four receivers with inside outside civility at the releases. And this is something Philadelphia has frequently done. Philadelphia loves to come out in their twelve personnel. And they'll make sure that they're running bunches in the running nasty splits in the running wings and essential. Giving three receivers usually galore Erz and daughter the potential of both release inside outside. Now, when you're tight end is on the line and inside release isn't as much of a threat simply because he'll be inside releasing into linebackers. So he has to get through that to get to the other side of the field. But when we're talking about a two man stack Mike so take the slot receiver. And then just put another dude behind him will now you've got two releases for both of them. Both can go inside both new outside of they can they can alternate. And it's very difficult to get hands on that back receiver the behind receiver in the stack. You can't press him because there's a body in the way that's a great opportunity from look screens, right? Where you just throw that screen. If you read high loci ridge, what we call cap coverage for this one corner way up there, and then there's one safety way back opportunity for those quick read screens, and then a lotta route concepts something Detroit used a lot of Philadelphia will use a lot of out of those situations. Detroit ran gonna take on multiple out nuts right in this route. The eagles have loved to use was Akers. You. Take that flat defender and you pull him in by lining up in a reduce split by lining up in the slot with your outside receiver going out receiver. But in the slot lined up close to the formation you pull that flat defender in. And so when you run that little out route he has to react, and he has to come outside. He's not outside already waiting for it. Yes. To come outside. Right. He has to move in so's momentum gets going outside. Trump things backup field the important thing with golden Tate. He's not as quick as used to be. He absolutely isn't. He is still very quick. He is still a swift little bugger, but because Tate's been doing this for a while. He's very very savvy. He's got fantastic instincts. There are multiple plays the touchdown against the Dallas Cowboys on the slot comeback route which another outfit off you should integrate. You can find on my time. Find host touchdown against the twenty plus yard game against Miami. On a little sit rally. I was talking about just check down. He was just checked out in the middle of the field on both plays. Golden Tate makes defender Missa tackle with his back. To the defender, and he makes defender Missa tackle because he's been in those situations so much that he knows how that approach is coming. He knows the timing of he knows where it's week. He knows how to how to scoot outside of their how to duck underneath it. Just really great savvy is the work. He's a thirty plus receiver. Who isn't what are you physically used to be? But he's very savvy. He's very very top dog. He's a dog he loves to break tackles. He always gets dirty yardage. He's very aggressive. He celebrates literally every play I loved him to death. He's he's a ton of fun to Washington regard. So I think going to taste better tackle breaker than Nelson Agla. Oh, so I think going to take one hundred I think I think golden Tate warrants more of the jet sweep touches and the short yards in the quick throw touches ball in his hands. He's a better yet guy than Adler. I think the reason is better tackle breaker. Avatars probably more explosive on a straight line, but adults should still get those touches because he's very explosive space. Absolutely. Certainly tate's. Gonna bite into yours short yardage touches Agra. Gotta jet sweep against the against the Jaguars. That should probably be Tate's Adler got like three bubble screens against the cold. So she'll probably be taints on. Yeah. That's going to open up Adler to do more of what he did against the Jaguars. You know, thirty plus yard completion running a depot around a levels concepts. That's where I go or should be getting more looks. And that's very exciting. That's what will boost up as numbers. Mike will be very happy. We'll pay too much money. Yeah. No. I agree. I fully trust this coaching staff to be able to fully utilize the skill set of to quote on quote slot wide receivers because of all the condense sets that we use and type missions to that point. I know I've talked a lot so abusive. I said this earlier, and I still believe it. I'm not gonna say that like how he wasn't into the trailer. He didn't wanna do it this to me feels more like a Doug trade a how he trade. I think we're both on board. I think they collaborate as Jeffrey Loria told us jillion times very collaborative and they worked together, and it's great ends a positive environment. I think how about it. I don't really think you need a much convincing. But to me, you know, just the general manager is gonna look at Tate and say, I don't really see how Tate solves our offense. The problems in terms of like takes a slug is underneath guy allies a slug is what would you here to me? That was the situation. More Doug probably looked at Tate looked at tape on whether grow or to brewer press Taylor, whoever it was. You know, and somebody in that offense of coaching staff or they had the idea where they said, listen, if we do this that and the other thing we deploy him in this way. And we use these causes that worked really well for us said at a da. Yes. Take in solve a lot of our problems that that to me the office of coaching staff really had to be the driving force behind the straight. So I have full faith that they selected Tate with a clear plan in mind for him. That's kind of the overarching point there. Yeah. Yeah. No, they're not. They're not picking him. If they don't have that plan in mind for for sure, they're not going after him in that case. They already know how they wanna utilize him in what that means for the rest of the offense. We just need to see a play out because right now, we're in that period of the unknown where a lot of it is conjectured. But I do see it playing out very well for the offense. Obviously a win now move which is encouraging. You can make that move because you'd be the Jaguars go to foreign four and you have five divisional games left to go. So at this offense can get rolling and start to give some pieces back than it's going to be very fun. What this offense can be at its height with golden Tate in one of the reasons is. You've got a quarterback Carson Wentz points really dog on football. And it's not showing up like it should on the scoreboard because some of those lag the lack of weapons at the wide receiver position the lack of a true to number two receiver. And I saw a lot of people talking about, you know, like we needed a deep threat will, you know, what place shelter Gibson more suit that looks like that's the that's that's a non starter from you can get explosive plays in the intermediate area. Not everything needs to be a fifty yard bomb. All of that's good for me. I fully trusted this coaching staff is going to make the most out of golden Tate. Ben, let's get to the all twenty two film reviewer a little bit late on it this time because of the Tate news dropping and also the coaches film for the eagles Jaguars game was really weird. The broadcast version we couldn't click on the place to to navigate through it. And then when the coaches film drop they dropped half a game. Luckily, that's been fixed since then game pass is made by the devil. So let let's talk about this game. I actually wanna talk about Schwartz. I want to talk about Jim Schwartz on out result. Douglas. On the defensive side. There's been a lot of talk about how gyms dialed up some heat. We talked about Schwartz shying away from the blitz. And I specifically remember saying that with Tampa Bay game. I play the game. He comes with some heat with a linebacker in a corner, and they got beat and then the rest of the game. Healy blitz five times in this game. The first blitz that they bring third in eight with ten seconds left in the first quarter. We a little bit for it. But the Jaguars hold the ball too much in the first quarter. They're double mug in the Jenkins's threatening off the edge of the right tackle, he comes clean Bortles has to step up which leads right into Chris long for the cleanup sack that for me made me think that it gave Schwartz the confidence to continue to bring the heat. And I'll tell you a Borrell's, of course, does not deal the heat. Well, listen, I love the fact that you brought that blitz because the second I saw that blitz. I thought to myself all this is that on this is that pass rush lane retention thing that Mike wrote about when Schwartz clinic, right? Because you've got the potential mug with the linebackers. You've Jiang extra guy coming off. And Jenkins extra guy. Winds off the edge, Chris long. I believe it was Brandon Graham on the interior stunt and in stunting, it frees up Chris Law to kind of act as a quasi spy in that big app. Right. So you're the scheme is generate pressure in the D gap. But Schwartz made sure with that little twist that he's got a a player who is currently disengaged not being blocked because of the twist in that big apps when Bortles steps up away from the gap pressure. Chris long waiting this is the thing. So proud of him. Yeah. They did a lot of that too. But they're only to blitzes in the first half, and there were two sex and that second one that they had here that was second quarter second nine with four forty one left. The Jags driving to the eagles forty-two. They bring Malcolm Jenkins again off the edge. And they're bringing him off that that right side where which is the the ball hand for like. Portal's? Now, he gets a one on one Carlos Hyde who is what you would call stout in as a pass protector and that aspect actually landed him in the doghouse McConnell Shanahan in San Francisco last year. So Jenkins wins that and spooks Bortles and it gets cleaned up by Hicks and Bennett. So they were bringing those blitzes. Yeah. Two places in the first half two sacks. Now, how did that impact? His play calling in the second half. Third play the second half six band blitz. Jenks and Hicks to the ball hand side again. So going back to a word Bortles want to escape to where do we want him escaping? We want him escape ING away from his ball hand. We want him escaping left. That's gonna come a big later in this game. When when we talk about Rousseau Doug Douglas specifically. So that's Bruce Bortles early throw. Great job on that play by resold. Douglas's work relationship with a wide receiver to turn up feel from coverage. Steer and widen. Limit that window on the side. I thought I thought if I turned early on that play the second I saw that. I was like man I'm coming back with deep comeback next drive. They didn't hit it. But I had heard early. I think if like Douglas has a slower transition phase than a lot of corners. And it's because he's he's a little tight in the hips on. I'm saying that with distinction the first post over bleeding nation was. After he was drafted right said, yes does a little bit tight in the hips. But also, he's got a huge stride. He's super high waisted, right? Like, he's six two. But a lot of it comes from his legs. And so it just gonna take him longer to transition in general because he's got more distanced a pole with his hips to pull those legs and move. Right. She's like a bigger circle. He's gotta draw. So you could solve a lot of that issue. You could tamper it down. If you let them play closer to line of scrimmage hands on people. I'm just saying. But yeah, we're gonna talk about this because I definitely agree off coverage there he may have turned early. But I think he needed to when he was able to execute play. Anyway, a big note on the next play, and this may be a whole conversation. Ben they land up with five on the line in one linebacker with what's called the double eagle front. It's called that. Because it's a ridge Nater is Earl greasy Neale who coached the eagles from nineteen forty one to nineteen fifty quick history lesson fans so in that front and this. Has been. So you know, it's second ten fourteen one left in the third never also for those playing at home. So with double eagle, you get a three oh three with two wide so nose tackle in the middle of three tech to each side of him. And what this does is it just makes the middle of your offense like garbage and teams are doing a new form of this. In college called tight, t I t the reason being is that spread teams want to run through the be gap while three three plugs all of that up in the safeties come late to fill in spill, the C gap now with double eagle the eagles are using it here the way they use it. They don't use the safeties like that. Instead, they have to why'd nines so zero tech to three techs. And then you get the two nines. What they do is they they drop both nines. So Brad him and Bennett drop those three interior players the two three techs widen. And they bring Hicks in the middle that widening action gives Hicks a one on one with the running back to the ball hand side of Bortles again, you're. You're getting a theme here. Now, he actually gets blocked up by the running back, but Bortles sees this coming get spooked gets rid gets rid of it quick will pass in drop by keeling coal. Go figure. I thought it was a really creative design and not a blitz per se because there's only four coming, but man to disguise and deception that they use to get a linebacker one on one with a running back while only rushing four is excellent. With the angle of those dropping ends that you get to your taking away slant, you're taking away curls. You're taking crossers. Which is all the quick hitting stuff that the Jaguars wanted to hit and one last play just finish that drive out. Ben next play on third and ten they bring five with Hicks sugaring, the b-. He drops random comes delayed on the other side one on one with the running back. Again. It's panic city Bennett starts to drag them down. Jenkins tips at Hicks nearly picks it off they were getting after it. And I thought that shorts was really creative with his blitz packages. And we're they got beat was the blitz with the classic covers. Zero Maddux comes off the edge. Brandon comes up the same a gap on the same site. So they're over loading the ball hand side of Bortles again with four the jazz leave in tight end in a running back. So the block was seven boroughs gets a clean pocket through eleven yard touchdown de Westbrook on Jenkins, which of course, was a double move. And you understand why Jenkins wants to jump that? Because they're bringing big time. He and then it just keeps happening. Like these double moves. They just keep happening the situations. And I don't know how you fix it. And I didn't think the Jenkins had to jump in. And here's why did he gives an inside nod? Well, the tight end is staying into block on the other side. You got your quarterback to the nub side, which is the close side. So there's no wide receiver outside of the tight end there. He's running an inside route. You've got that corner that can close on too. But Jenkins is playing the sticks with the blitz in mind, and he gets beat still overall what you saw after that was they were starting to give give some of those more classic covers your looks than they were. They were dropping. Is all over the place, and it was really confusing for Borrell's. I thought this was a very very good game plan by Jim Swartz. I'm very happy. You brought up this sequence mbappe Uber. The D for touchdown. So and yeah, they came out with that fantastic. I wanna go to the second sequence in the third quarter, Mike so the very next drive for the Jacksonville Jaguars what you'll notice on that play that you talked with me about is that because Philadelphia's kinda got that veil. Look with those ends ride. The you show me on that second in ten it allows Dextra McDougal the slot corner to kind of act like he's trapping there on the outside. So he moves into the flat. And then once he recognizes that boys is going to that quick little curl route he closes right back inside right on that on the next drive its second to it's the play right before restore Douglas is gonna get smoked by David Greenwich right into the twenty four yards on a little tight end wheel route Philadelphia's in a similar look where they've got a bunch of people this time it stand up linebackers in between those big apps like. Four guys were threatening between tackle tackle this time. They bail everybody in the middle. Fletcher, Cox is dropping into copyright, and they said, they send a nine tech, and they sent Dexter McDougal the slot corner on a blitz and you watch Douglas received Douglas gives up his responsibility, right? His outside receiver who is responsible for he releases free because he comes up to trap that quick little curl route. That's of in the same way Dextra McDougal that earlier the ball is inaccurate. If that ball was complete his right there to level of big hit potentially drug that ball loose right on the very next play. That's the third in to receive Douglas again plays tight as if wrapping against that little crow route little set route and he lets the wheel route get way behind him. Right. This was something that Philadelphia was doing we're because they knew Bortles needed to get the ball out quickly on mesh and curl routes because that's what Bortles need. They did two things game. They they let those outside corners track inside come inside on crow routes that they could see in their vision, which is. Daring Bortles to throw the ball down the sideline which doesn't like to do. And the second thing is they aligned Malcolm Jenkins. I don't even know what you call them linebacker or safety. Just like, you know, like like, he look straight at the center, right? He was on the same line as the center unless your back. Yeah. I mean, so he's he's like he's just sitting there like almost like you would play a triple option team like a to middle linebackers one behind the other. He's just like that back middle linebacker. You know what I mean? So he was sitting back there. They're trying to take away all those shore areas in between the numbers a lot of what it was. And it was a great play. Call in that situation third and to to hit David Greenwich to get the ball into the red zone. And then you get to the touchdown. I hear you. And I know you don't like the covers Eero blitzes, and I think that the red zone is a great opportunity to have those droplets you drop random guys into coverage of. But when it's third and seven, you know, you imagine they're going touchdown or nothing right at the eleven you imagine they're going to least pretty deep, and so you don't know how valuable those underneath droppers would be on first and ten. Of that red zone. So third and seven on the first and ten for that series. Malcolm Jenkins and Jordan Hicks have words because there was a little cross or going from the field side to the boundary side. And Jenkins released him gritted ends up opening up could have been hit boroughs misses a throw. And then join Hex to them and says like yo you gotta follow that guy when he comes across that. It's third and seven Dede Westbrook gives inside move. Jank is eaten alive. Probably because he's worried about it, which you know, he he he gave up across her first in ten and Westbrook heads off the back. So there was a lot of gains ships in back and forth. Little chess moves if you do this I do that. I think Douglas generally played as I would've expected him to play especially in relief, which was not great but still impactful like Douglas had the pass break up on the attempted to point conversion great use of length. Good job keying on a quick little set route from Dede Westbrook and close right down. Get your hand in there. The two points ends up mattering a lot when you're late game scenarios in teammates ring within a field goal score. Yeah. Douglas for me headed up and down game. He did have some nice plays player. I yeah. That's true. And I did attribute that that third that third into that you mentioned I didn't like the fact heating, I don't feel like he needed to trap there. Because unlike the other play he had McDougal on the inside for that. And he needs to get the debt because you can see door be on the other side. He gets to fifteen yards into the sideline with his cover touts on. That's where you can get. He went hundred percent got suckered in it. Absolutely. Did I don't mean to disable? It was a fine play by Douglas previously. Because Douglas have been allowed to play aggressively into that look previously. He wasn't playing with the right was the discipline. And that's why there's a conversation kind of going on right now on on Twitter. She'll capacity of the posted a clip of a late fourth down where anonymous was it. Was it a fourth our third down. It was a fourth down in one with four twenty six left in the fourth quarter, their standard covered three boroughs ends up. Scrambling for for yardage on ping, the fourth doubt that being said, you know, the kind of argument is if he had seen this route that you know, he would have hit it yet Sewell cover cover three responsibilities and the outside receiver to his are me the slot receiver to his side takes this little curl route in front of him and restore Douglas starts driving on avant. Matic's the free safety. Also, drives on it. Which leaves the outside receivers running the boundary pretty wide open. And then it's unclear Douglas kind of goes back to go handle it, and then Maddox goes back to go hand leads. There was a miscommunication between the two miscommunication. I've done. Thinking that I think that's Douglas going old crap and the same thing for Maddix. Yeah. Once once once Douglas releases that route they don't know who Doug was goes to pick it up and the magic picking up. My my point here is that there's a conversation about you know, is Douglas just not like mentally super. I think that was a super aggressive. I think Douglas wants to close on everything that's in front of him kinda why people want to move them to safety, right, which Lieven press. Pure man coverage is to worry about that. Just follow a guy when you're running him in zone. He eats up. I can be a lot. I will say this. When Bortles turns on skates, the scramble. He's at a twenty five yard line. His receivers with momentum heading down the field at the thirty at the forty five into the forty. This is not a throw. We anticipate a lot of NFL quarterbacks making like Bortles is a bad NFL quarterback. But I would not expect any quarterback currently starting in the NFC east to make this throw. I would not expect any dull intimate this throw and not expect. You'll flacco to make the surround not expect like any of the rookies to make this right? This is a. Bananas throat. It's a it's a Patrick Mahomes. Carson Wentz throw. I mean, it's thirty five yearning to your left as a right handed quarterback. And put a ball. We'll we'll have to end up being over fifty yards down the field. But you know, he can stop. He has room to stop. Okay, he'll up. It's also fourth in one. And he has very clear space to go pick it up. Right. I mean as clear that he didn't see it. And what his what his thought process is just watching his headgear throughout this play. As soon as he breaks the pocket. I'm looking at the end zone angle here. What does he look at? He looks as he looks at yielded. And he looks at the defender, right? And then he looks at the sticks. And he goes, okay. I got this. And that entire rollout is spent worrying about okay, I can take this to the sticks. Look at him real quick. And then boom, okay. I'm at the sticks. He does not once look downfield if he does and he's able to stop his feet. That's touchdown. Here's what I have no clue as to what Douglas's doing what do you know the distance between the hash. And I'm honestly asking the hash and the numbers. What is it like ten yards? I would guess little bit less. So maybe like eight yards third. What is Douglas doing? When he's got an outside guy. That's in line with him vertically right on the numbers. And he sees a cruel route go directly behind a hook zone, and he's chasing something eight to nine yards inside that's running away from him. What do you? What's the decision there? How is that? Being. You're not making play on that ball. You're covering grass. You're not doing anything in that situation. You got a guy right in front of you. That's getting vertical. Just because you have an underneath guy under you think that's McDougal on that mistaken. Does not mean get out of your deep zone in go to the middle of the field. Like were you chasing this guy? I have no idea at all no answer feel again like to me. All right. My only only thought is that the instruction was play aggressive into stuff that you see in front of you. Because we don't think boys gonna go down field and be it's fourth in one. Like, you know, the if you look at all the eagles underneath defenders. They all close super heavy and everything that's in front of them. Which leaves the intermediate crosser behind them that Douglas is attracted to like open like very clearly open. But look a look if okay so gullible further when when when you scrambles in at the twenty five in the scramble drill drill is on the linebacker start. To react words, Malcolm Jenkins is in the middle of the field. If Bortles has the stock price a threat is that across his body. He makes them play on that ball very easily probably. But this this goes back to the salient point of the eagles defense of Jim Schwartz is a coordinator, which is Brandon Graham collapse the pocket up against the left tackle Seventy-three, whoever's, Josh or whatever awful, and we we should talk about Brennan brand Graham, I think Brennan, grandma's Lawson, juice, man. But anyway, yeah. Graham has collapsed the pocket. The Jim Schwartz defense is predicated on if I got pressure with four and I just felt the quarterback then I can give up stuff on my second. It'll be fine because they won't get their. You know what I mean? Like, if is a clean pocket for Bortles the navy. He sits in there, and he he he reads Maddox closed down 'cause Maddox initial actions to close down the crosser. And so he listed at deep ball sees that the guys toasted Douglas and Anson, but he the pockets not safe he had gave the bucket, and that disruption is what takes away quarterbacks ability to make those plays within structure. So like this play is a is a great example of you could go to the eagles Super Bowl win against the patriots. You go to their win against the Vikings game. I promise you can find plays like this where somebody was clearly open. But because pressure disrupted the pocket the ball was able to get there. Right. So this is this is how Jim force defense works. You know what I mean? Look, I don't know how. I mean how much are we burying Jim Schwartz. Bortles finds that sets his feet hits it for six Schwartz killing. We're killing Douglas as a fan base. Do think that's worse is getting off the hook for that happening on his watch with this fan base. I'm not saying me new menu. We tend to sit back watch and process things before we start yelling fire Schwartz. I'm saying as a fan base. We are murdering Jim Schwartz. If he finds that that would put it at twenty likely put it at twenty five to twenty four with four minutes left with Jaguars lead. It changes the entire landscape of the game. And fits the narrative that Jim Schwartz can't close games anymore. Thanks to remain bug Lous. I think as we've been saying at like I against the titans. I had a lot of complaints about Jim Schwartz in the way he put his players out of the field. But I think since we've been saying we said after the Panthers game. And I think now we've said it here a lot of this more has to do with execution than it has to do with anything else on this has to do his job. His job is that don't stop trying to do somebody else's job. Also fits the narrative that the players are are pressing trying to do too. Are you ready for the sentence out loud? Am I ever Munna eagle eagles fans? Just like Batten down the hatches and keep your britches on Jalen mills. Probably doesn't give up the third into cash today would grant is sold. Douglas. Does he probably is in coverage on that? And it's fourth too and Jaguars kicking a field goal. There's no way they're going for it. They haven't gone for it all game kicking field goals forth into from the forty for like the entire year because it's Doug Marrone. The enemy all Jim mills makes a play mean. Probably because that's play. That's more about remaining in your deep third and understanding route concepts and mills always been nice understanding how route concepts overlap that's always something. He's good at news. Good. The titans game. He was good. At that time game was the main game. He was criticized and he was doing a great job over lapping a lot of it was Darby's fault. So, you know ball Jalen mills, obviously, it's very easy to say that 'cause bills wasn't in there. You can't be wrong. But. It's the thing. It goes back to when when people were calling for mills to be benched for Douglas like we said does probably makes more impact plays for you Douglas as a better playmaker on the football. But Donna says a very high variance player. He's gonna give up stuff if Jila mills just giving up stuff every week that mental, but that was still gonna give up stuff, but he's gonna at least make some place for you. There you go mills had not been giving up a terrible amount of stuff. Really like, we've we just call it as we see they're absolutely execution problems. But you know, you're probably at a point where with what we've seen from Douglas thus far. He was put into starting situation. You didn't know he was gonna be in. You know, I it was he really it's really gonna be a high impact player a hiring by player than bills. I don't know yet. You know, it's tough to say I'd love to see us play a full game where he knew he was gonna start insurance knew how he was gonna run coverage before I make the claim there. That's I mean, we wanna we want to transition the conversation here a little bit trade deadline has now passed so we can officially say this is the roster. Was was bigger weakness right after Philadelphia. The current healthy Cornerbacks the current healthy offensive tackles. Excuse me. Dude. I've message makes you feel a little bad desert. I message do and I said dude look at C Amalia tackle on this play LOL. He's so this to you. And I'm wondering if you can confirm this better with bio mechanics and all that stuff than I am. But he looked so uncomfortable and his in his kick in with everything moving backwards as a tackle in space. Just to me looks like a mess. I would so much prefer him at guard. I feel he's he's so a better utilized in that position that fits his strengths. Even though he's not that strong of a player. But you know, but you know, what? I mean, if we got to it, dude if we continue on in God vibes bad by tight was bad. Dude. He can't sustain a block from more than second foul. Ince's awful. It's all terrible. He's so back. He had supporters. He had supporters Tova. He was good. Where are you? Now. Sorry. You know, I had. It's so here's what's so frustrating. Corson does some soup. Good stuff that I can't abide by he did. I can't stand that the title dirty secret that third fourteen voted during a Matthews. I'm not one hundred percent positive. He was throwing it to a Matthews. I told you that when I told the Bill de that in the in the tell me that. No. Yeah. I I told you that unlike I wasn't one hundred percent sure that he was throwing it for Matthews. I do believe seeing it again that I'm pretty confident that he was. But it's a question. I'll put it to you this way when he starts climbing the pocket, it's so Sean Jeffrey, and then he looks back to Matthews, and in my opinion, he gets his head back to Jeffrey. And then starts to throw it. Yeah. That's. I'm not one hundred percent. There's a decent chance. I'm saying I'll put it at like fifteen right? He was throwing it to alshon hedge. Anyway, he end it's very funny because he makes that play and people go bananas. And then he with his backup against the goal line makes an incredible allusive move in the pocket gets outside puts a relatively good ball. Jordan Mathews with Quinn Meeks. Coverage Quin Meeks who played on mazing. He was awesome. Nobody nobody nobody involved Lee has matched up Zac earth's this year. The on drafted corner out of Stanford did Meeks had the best game against I have seen all season. I had I headed we've got to go draft on draft here. Yeah. I had a day to grade on Meeks day to I'm pretty confident. He may have been right around my top fifty. I have I don't know a lot of people on the big board. Why he wasn't drafted? Let's see here. Mid forty fifth overall. Really? Wow. Oh, yeah. I had him. And is as Oliver Renick's each other give me smart corners. Oh, do he's super smart. Like he popped for me. When I when we were watching them just in just in read, the safety is fun because it was the opposite from AL's watching me sounds like who's this number eight thinking, but anyway, I'll finish my point. I'll finish my point than you can time aid Quinn makes. Okay. So that Florida Zach ertz nearly pay or that sorta Jordan Mathews Quin Mason coverage nearly PECS backed up in the even territory course, got flame. They Carson can't he's pressing wising making these decisions, you know, he's trying too hard. That was a much better decision and higher percentage. Throw then third and fourteen but it works and everybody's fine. If it is we haven't been very like both of those are in our very aggressive one of them. You're being tackled is a bit more risky than the other one where you're just got a guy in front of you. And he's coming to hit you. But at least you're you know, you're not currently. In the grasp throwing the football. So Carson does some things that I can't buy t he definitely is too risky in the fact that he doesn't have more interceptions. Literally shocking. He is he's either due for aggression, or he will forever. His greatest strength ever for will forever. Be being a nutcase with the football. Just not turning over center to luck. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting, by the way, what we're British have makes again forty five mid second. All her forty seventh. Get add this how how are we both? So high on Meeks in the NFL is like, and then he comes out in any covering Zakar. It's like that one of the best route rang titans in the league anyways. Greg game Greg courses playing so well, but you can see and it was it was like a late drive with eagles ended up kicking a field goal. They deep into Jacksonville territory. He is so frustrated with the amount of pressure. Yeah. He gets immediately. He is even just tell a he like Carson is a Carson was brought up in John D Filipo school D flip ahead. Would they call it a body language penalty? Mike where view showed bad body language after a play in training camp? You got like penalized. You had to delight pushups you pay a fine or something right D, flip of I was very important for the quarterback to always have positive by language to communicate his team that they were still alive and everything was going to be cave against the next play in. And you can see Carson get so pissed he so down with the amount of pressure. He's getting and it's so frustrating because Matt Pryor's not active and was in his kind of guard tackle hybrid because the idea was that sale Malo could kick out the tackle. If we needed into right? And he can't he didn't play tackle Mike can't like maybe he can't if he knows he's going to and they'll spend a week on his past sets. He'll be better prepare for it. But when he went from guard, a tackle he could not gain depth in his bath, set big gains FM's pass Zet, but still can't deal with speed on the outside because he lunges. So Carson I was calling for more rollouts with Carson because Carson can't stay deep in the pocket. Immediately asked to climb up when he's got vital oncein Sam on the other. You've gotta get him outside of the pocket. And the only way you can let him have depth in his past sets need be able to see what he's looking. He's not right up against his center in his guards. And the other reason it's frustrating 'cause they should have drafted attack earlier than the fifth round with Matt prior which I just we said for. The entire drafts have been saying for the last two years, actually, a Ben I I know there was a play that you looked at that a lot of people were criticizing winds for. But you went in looked at the thought process that went had gone through that led him to that interception in the red zone. That was picked off by Jalen Ramsey people. Saw that window Smallwood was uncovering on the wheel there and was fairly open. And he could have made that throw do wanna dig into. Why that play happened the way it did in the process behind double post wheel, Mike double post wheel? Let me why. Right. Double post is awesome in the red zone. You throw wheel in. I'm in. Right. So like post real is awesome. The red zone. Double post awesome in the red zone. Technically, not Philadelphia Oakland in two thousand sixteen. Bill must brave was like, yo what if we did both at the same time, you can find this time line. And I didn't get to talk about how excited I was about. Double post wheels have fit into minutes. Twenty seconds took. Six tries kept on talking too much in the beginning. So you're taking a deep half of the field, and you're putting three deep routes. They're right. And and in the red zone, obviously, the deep area of fueled is limited the N line is there, and it's gonna stop it. But when your quarterback can read a half field one two three and he can read that space rows of the quickly. He can be in line to make the throw at anytime because his body's already played in that direction. He's got throwing hallway set up against cover to you're going to have the interior route and against cover three. You're gonna have the outside post. You're gonna have the wheel dependent with the cover three corner. Does so really cool. Philadelphia runs a real out. We'll route with Wendell small at the backfield. And they've got Josh Perkins. Running the inside post and Nelson Agla running the outside post at the snap. It's looking like a to deep safety cover to Sivalingam for the inside post. But Philadelphia's got jet motion come across the formation to the place side. So as that do it takes that deep safety in polls him up writes a jet motion coming from Carson his white. Carson Wentz his right to his left, which means the safety to his left has to get dragged down into the box in cases jet sweep sort of a look. So now Carson gives the little play action fake the jet sweep the jet motion. And now he's looking at the four CS coming into the middle of the field and the corner the cover three corner is staying where he is because of the threat to Nelson aga- Mawr everything up until this point went exactly as it was supposed to on the truck board. Josh Perkins is going to have a mile and a half worth of space to throw this ball. Jalen Ramsey is the deep corn on the other side. The really what you had was a cover four quarters situation from the the defense for the Jaguars. Jim Ramsey's all the other side of the field. You're not even really worried about him. The offense played is either mentions him like when they're going through the end of the planet. Like, we have to make sure that this corner doesn't come overlap, but really we should be fine. That should rarely does will be late. You'll see it a throwaway mentioning doesn't have Jalen Ramsey member. People want him to be a safety out of college. Wjr athletic instinctive, rangy ball, hawking player serandon already starting to sneak. But they're still tons of room. Of course to get this ball. Josh Perkins is exam Milo playing left guard surrenders quick pressure to class Campbell goes back to the point pressure disrupts the pocket solar secondary. I think it was at me. Jackson Jackson Carson's forces step up and reset is throwing hallway 'cause he got like affected. His body got Chuck a little bit. So he goes, and he knows he's getting late. He's late to this throw. He knows he should have already releasing those already wanted to. So he tries to put this thing with all armed like thirty yards down the field. Right. His mural of his feet. His when the bulk of his hand, he's like office feet. His hips. Like, you want your hips to be in a line? Effacing your target. Rightly back hip in by your front hip to the target. Carson Wentz hips are really facing the target. He's a ninety degrees. We should be like there's just no power gonna come from the rotation of his hips at all and he's like half jumping. And so he tries to all on this thing and it sales on him and it flutters a little bit late by the time. The ball is released you'd like for the ball to be pretty much already this balls out late, of course, could have and a more risk averse quarterback. Probably would have said I'm late to this. Let me go to my second read, which is the the outside post or or my third which. Smallwood which did open up and was like waving his arms guy. I'm open. He had already made the decision to throw that ball to Perkins before small Woodhead opened up right, right, which small what is the third 'cause it takes longer for the wheel to open up because small gotta get out of the backfield all the way to the boundary and then come up field. So he's designed to be the later read. That's very important. It's not like Carson had a choice to either one. If Perkins opened the bulge come to Perkins. Now, like I said once Carson realizes that he's late to that bowl because of the pressure on more risk averse and probably more veteran quarterback would have reset and looked for smaller. Carson did not Carson tried to force the ball in their still honestly had a window. Budgie ramseys. Also making a fantastic play overlapping coverage is starting you know, all the way to the right and basically playing middle of field safety just a stellar play. This put of even been completed against the worse corner on the other side. But Ramsey's just ridic a corner. So we've had two situations. Our course hasn't hit window Smallwood in the red zone. And he's. Forced middle of the field. Throw. The could have been picked this is your quarterback like like like Carson's like people's own Carson's regressing. He's not always done this because he's bananas in he's he's super aggressive. It hasn't gone. Well for him there. Another time he'll feed this ball in there. And it's an incredible catch by Zacher. It's up above the rim. Double toe tapping on the end zone. We'll think ours is amazing. So just be careful of your of your results based analysis. It's important understand. Why cars went to that ball second-half? I thought he played great. I thought he had 'em. So the mental and competitive toughness, the comeback have a great second half. Because he was definitely struggled in that first half. The final point is this Carson Wentz at a great relationship with develop Bo the Filipa likely would have tried to temper down some of this aggressiveness. We have the press Taylor's able to do it. We have to see how Carson calibrates his game. Now that he's had the same estate a couple of times. And what the new coaching staff will be able to offer him in that regard. I have a to make with you. Let's make a bet double post wheel. Right. They missed it for a touchdown. In what we do. They hit double post Wilford touchdown in. What week? Do they hit double post wheel for touchdown to Smallwood will will make it to parts O two small it? Okay. Why don't think? How about this list? Put the over under it at eight games left with over under at four and a half. Do they throw a touchdown two that double post wheel under Ford half games or over four and a half games from now? I'm gonna give you the exact we've thought. Yeah. That's what I'm looking for give it to me. Now. I'm not gonna go rounder. Okay. I like it like it. They're gonna I don't know what week this is. But they're gonna throw against the saints. I just wanted to pop up. Okay. Saints have a very instinct of safety, Marcus Williams, playing the deep third and the saints have been gashed by deep plays all year long because their secondary flies around the crazy. Also, Marcus Davin bore is going to be out of the toe injury likely offer that game Denver it's likely silent for about a month. Which means I'm not gonna that much pressure with these cars is gonna have time to get to small. What if he wants it? Double post Bill against the saints calling it the Washington Redskins have had communication issues on their back end, especially passing off routes and. Getting a line of does for them. Yeah. I think I think the perception around haha is different nationally than it is than it was in Green Bay who was who has said that yesterday that was Ben fennel, and I one thousand percent with him. I like I mean, pretty super consistent. Right. So that was my thing is I was like, oh Green Bay media must think ha-has good. And I realized that the the the disparity was a lot like national NFL network. Guys thing has good, and I don't I just see how missed like three tackles a game. All right. Get him out of there. I mean that's been the story for him since he was a rookie, and you see the three intercepts into go. Ooh sexy. You're gonna playmaker. Well, you know, you gotta look at the other side of that coin too. So I'm gonna go with the Washington Redskins. They've had issues passing off rows communication issues. Prese nephew thrown. That's so skunks eagles the Redskins twice heels. Only play the saints wants oh known all a specific. We got this December third base. Still do the other week. You're gonna be like look would is said Redskins. I called. You're one hundred percent hedging. I have I have good reasoning behind it. And therefore, I can hedge Ben obviously, we wanted to talk about more. But we ended up yelling at each other about Nelson galore for about fifteen minutes on the front of the show and had some pretty in dumb more. We wanna talk about this was everything man. We went crazy. I wanted to talk about Josh Josh Adams, you know, making some nice cuts and overperforming what I think he is as a running back in thought they should've stuck with him a little bit more as the hot hand as in any running back rotation doesn't make him a starter a permanent starter. But I do believe that you know, you get a hot hand and you stick with thought he made some nice place, but he does have his limitations especially in the past game. And he's run key. And all that stuff. That's one of the things I wanted to touch on. Obviously, we talked to we touched on the tackle depth as well. That's going to be an issue moving forward, depending on how much lane Johnson or how long lane Johnson is out. But yeah, no, I think we I think we covered it Ben let the gentle listeners know where we have on tap for the rest of. The week. Screw you. Thanks bye week. There's literally no possible way. I could know what's going to happen. 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03/18: Free Agency is Awesome! (Fantasy Football Today)

Fantasy Football Today

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03/18: Free Agency is Awesome! (Fantasy Football Today)

"Fantasy football today from CBS sports. Email us at fantasy football CBS. I dot com. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Hear some of that day janey agency recap. It really has been awesome week around the NFL. We have a lot of talk about I that baiser here on fantasy football today. That's Bartsch fatness to talk about that possibly a way for you to get into the podcast league. Welcome to heat coming. Dave, Richard good afternoon fellows. Thank you for that. Warm. Welcome. I'm mom a little work cited for March madness this year that I had been years past and stunningly my college is not in the tournament. And yet I'm still excited about it. How? Because for years and years, I wanted to dedicate time to watch in college basketball, the try and actually have a good bracket instead of just guessing which is what I pretty much did for the last seven years, and I took a step forward. I watched a lot of basketball spent a lot of time watching some conference tournaments, and I'm not going to act like, I know everything about college basketball. But I feel better about filling out my bracket issue than I have in your spouse. See I was going to go the opposite way. I was thinking, you know, I've done a lot of research in the past and watched a lot of games in the past and not done very well in brackets over the last five years, you're telling me I've wasted. By haven't really watched much college basketball. So far this year one of the biggest advantages, I have is that the Kansas jayhawks have lost like a third of their team. And so I won't pick them to win at all. So that will be a bonus for me, and you have absolutely zero expectations for them. But now awhile after all. There was a problem because they put them in a region where if they win their first two games, they get to play in Kansas City. Oh, and that could lead me to make some bad decisions. But I'm gonna do no research whatsoever. I may even pick based on like proximity to location or mascot strength. Yeah. Mascot drink. And I fully that could really hurt you in years when mining makes the tournament because hurricanes are really strong. But we'll all made that mistake either. But our our mascots in Itis are hurricanes in IT. They are not in any though, there did not make the agent they did not deserve it. And now, we should probably end the they should we should. Absolutely. And because we have plenty of football to talk about. But the reason we wanted to talk about brackets because it's it's March madness. Everybody's talking about brackets. But we have a bracket challenge that I will tell you about if you are in first place, actually, you know, what if you win it. And you're a football listener put in the podcast. So I was gonna say. Dave earlier. What's the best way to talk about all this since we last podcast that on Wednesday. We did a Monday show about Antonio Brown. Mostly with a Tuesday show about not a lot some other stuff that happened on Monday and Tuesday, we did a Wednesday show though about hotel Beckham and Levy on bell since then we've had some big stuff. We've had Mark Ingram. Tevin Coleman golden Tate, not necessarily all good. But important stuff for fantasy. Devante parker. So what was the best way to do? It. Dave suggested we do opposite day. So Dave give us some opposite day fantasy football analysis. Well, let me just tell you how excited I am for Ryan Fitzpatrick is the quarterback of the Miami Dolphins. I see a lot of big games coming your way. You're gonna wanna take him with an early round pick on draft that note, I love the Tevin Coleman citing. I couldn't think of a better landing spot for Tevin Coleman then team that already has good running backs. This was exactly what I wanted on. Opposite day here for ten Goldman. Not supposed to like mention the opposite. Yeah. Everybody assumes. We are going to have to clarify when we stop with opposite analysis and go to like honest, I just wanna I'm proud of Adam because I know what a big giants fan is. And it must have been really hard to hold his excitement for the huge hole. The giants got for Dell Beckham they did a mass. All right job getting ready and overrated wide receiver. Thank you are all of those assets. And then basically replace him with someone who's just as good if not better, I was thinking the exact same thing golden take catches so many passes and doesn't do does. So I forgot he's never. He's never felt so much with never fought with kicking net. Oh my goodness. That's true. That's real. I've never ever seen vote Miami. I can't wait to draft. Golden Tate ahead of Odell Beckham. I very I'm throwing the directions that the giants are going. Okay. Let's end opposite day. Now. Get back to reality to some superlatives best signing or trade. The brow frowns. Okay. I'll I will say the ravens love love Mark Ingram there. That's a that's a great runner up worst signing or trade. The giants there, right? Not we're out of opposite. An yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For real golden Tate signing with the York is stupid. What is that? Thirty had a good slot receiver. Throwing Shepard good. Not great. I think takes a better slot receiver than swing shepherd was. I mean that they're gonna kick shepherd outside more often. Yeah. I would assume. So I listen I would love for that to happen. But are the giants doing anything that makes any damn sense? I've got a different one. Go ahead. I'll go with Murray going to new they gave latavius Murray. I think sixteen million dollars over four years when they could have had Mark Ingram for fifteen million over three years and less. There's something that we don't know. And Mark Ingram just did not want to play in New Orleans anymore. That was terrible. I mentioned it before Ingram had six fumbles over the last two seasons Murray had one and that combined with the cheaper per year rate is probably what did in Ingram leaving New Orleans in Murray signing there from a fantasy perspective because like from a fantasy perspective we'd love the Beckham Trey and I really do love Ingram with the ravens. And I'm interested to get your take on that. I think it's great. What do you think the worst? I think take the answer to that too. You know worst fantasy signing Kevin Coleman for sure Kutab. Goldman is right at sucked. I'm going to end up being a little more optimistic than you guys on Coleman. Is that contingent on them releasing Junkin? Nope. Not at all. Because I don't think they will. I know there's talk about it. But I don't think they're in that. I don't think they're that cap strap that they need to let go of jerk. Mckinnon most confusing citing most confusing see now that would be. We're golden Tate would fall in for me that one was confusing. Right. It's like it. Just mine was Jamison Crowder like you already have Quincy on your team. I don't think Quincy's that good. Okay. Like, I said Jamison Crowder you already Winston on your team. Yeah. I'm trying to think of a good one Tate like signing golden Tate to a four year. Thirty seven point five million deal. My million dollar deal on its face is fine. It's just the giants aren't going to be good enough to make that matter, and they don't have really outside receiver. I guess they could draft one the other one I would say, and I think the bills did some very good things. I don't understand the Colby's, right? Exactly. What's up with these slot receivers? Like, they have value in certain offenses. They evaluate certain quarterbacks. I don't think Josh Allen or the or the offense. It looks like they want to run that situation. So was the John Brown signing bad for John Brown? Yes. I don't know. When are you ever gonna feel confident starting him? Let's let's let's see Josh Allen makes any progress in theory. He is a great pairing with Josh Allen. If Josh L. Gets more accurate, but that's going to need to play itself out. How how can that play itself out on a consistent basis because I agree with you? John Brown's got great speed. We know that Josh Allen, can Chuck it. So it's just a matter of them connecting. There's gonna be three tries game max between those two on the Deepal. And I don't know John Brown can stay healthy and contribute. This is still a team. I think that needs a number one receiver. Yeah. You know, you give you give them Beasley given Brown. Zeh Jones a fossil they're both came on. And then it's like Jason crew Matata, it's not bad for Josh Allen. I don't know that any one of these guys gonna jump out as a consistent fantasy contributor. But it certainly upgrade for for Allen, and John Brown is I nine you just look at what he did. Joe flacco he was on pace for. The number seventeen wide receiver a non PR number twenty NPR is on pace for sixty catches one thousand sixty eight yards and seven touchdowns. Unfortunately, dive a little bit deeper into that. He was great as I four games. He was pretty much trashed the next five games. And then seven games with the March at seven games with Lamar Jackson. John Brown had eight catches for a hundred fourteen yards and one touchdown like seven games. So those tanked is numbers. But okay. So maybe it's better for Alan than any one individual on buffalo, and what was my last one under the radar great signing. So there's three that I think in qualify for this. They're all wide receivers that went on two different teams. But I think there's one that. It. It's not exciting other than just like the fit. And that's Dante Moncrieff to the Steelers where I'm going to assume he's going to be a starter potentially the number two receiver not the number three, and he's had a knack for scoring. And he's he's not going to be the one double covered every week with the Steelers. It's going to be juju. And he's not going to be the one stretching the field either that will probably be more like James Washington. But he could still be in position on team throws a lot to catch a bunch of passes and be a target in the red zone. So I like him more than the other two under the radar guys which were shot permanent of the bucks and Kevin white to Arizona. Kevin white to Arizona like on paper makes a ton of sense because he's got the speed that clippings very wants in passing gain as he's still though I think he does at least straight line speed. It's just a matter of whether or not he can put it all together. I think it was a great low risk. Signing by the cardinal. I was gonna say another receiver that I guess maybe wasn't. I don't know councils under the radar not. He I think it does Devon punches to Colt. You liked it? I think it's an under under the radar type situation where I mean, he loves his titans. Right. I think it's bad for Hebron. Well, I already downgraded Hebron quite a bit. Just because I didn't think he'd repeat that. But yes, I agree. Because now it's another big body in the red zone. It's gonna be good for Andrew luck. Luck by more touchdowns next year than he had this past year. And I guess I'll cheat and I'll take somebody who did not change teams. But I'll just say I'm excited at your Allison is back with the Packers a one year deal. His first four games get the numbers of the second. But he had something like around seventy five yards all four games. And then when he came back for one more game Marquis Valda scaling kind of carved out a role. He didn't do so much with it. So I think Geronimo Alison might be their second best receiver swimming. They don't add anybody else. I four games he had between sixty four and eighty yards and all four games with two touchdowns. And I think it's I think it's nice. I think he's certainly worth. I don't know ninth round pick easy. He's asleep. I hate it for Aaron Rodgers because he's still just has one good receiver. Alison might be good. To guy. He's probably not good. I mean, he might be. But like we're going into year four and he's got seven hundred and fifty yards receiving those are superlatives. We got some Twitter polls. We got an Alice on all the major things you need to know about some rankings. Have you guys adjusted your rankings yet? Yes. Cool who is the biggest riser faller? Probably Baker Mayfield. Yup. That sounds about right. To me. I've Ingram did some nice rising. He rose for me. And then kind of settled back down a little bit, really. Because golden Tate guy. I don't mean. He's still a top six tight end. I had an eighth before. So he's gone up. But I had him as clear number four in that short window of time before golden take signed. I trashed golden Tate in the rank ace kind of a barrister, aloe. I put him. I don't know. I don't know like allies, not good. But they're going to be behind all the time. And it's not like he's going from a a world class quarterback in Matthew's Deford, he's average it. I don't know that other than Eli. And it was it was in a well defined role. Where he got a steady dose of targets on a passing team. And the giants are pretty clearly gonna go to a saquon focused offense. So it's gonna be hard. When you're down twenty one in the third quarter. Dave Gilman's not worried about that Haga Bali's. He wants the hog Bali's the offensive line at the hand of God will touch the whole offense. They are going to have a really good offense. They could have a very good offensive line. So. It is interesting. I think that when you look at Tate on Detroit, he didn't have really tight end. I mean like Brandon really do that much. He was always disappointing. And they didn't have a sterling Shepard like player, I guess in my opinion. So it is a it's just a weird fit. Yeah, I'm not I'm not going to get in non PR e Braun. Was around six to seven hundred yards and fifty to sixty catches. Different than what Ingram has been. Well, what he's been? But but what he's been without Beckham is a lot better than that we owe. And your number two Corey Coleman. He's the number two. Coleman is number two. I see what you're saying. So so you're saying that if Ingram performs well finger performs like e Brown performed the lions than obviously everybody's going to be too high on Ingram because he probably shouldn't be drafted Ingram's rookie year sixty four catches for seven hundred twenty two yards. That was basically the best year free run before he went to Indianapolis. It is awesome. Without beckham. Awesome. Okay. Has has been awesome without beckon? I think the the thing for me is that it was at that. There's no Beckham or was it that sterling shepherd the number one? And there's no number two at all. Yeah. I agree with you. I mean. It's probably. I don't know gotta go somewhere in between. Right. What he was with Beckham. And what what he was without Beckham and without Tate. It's got to be someone. So you haven't six day where do you have an Ingram? He's number four Chattan, and we were pretty excited about him on Tuesday or Wednesday when we did the show with Nathan before the golden Tate citing I also think they're going to draft a wide receiver. Maybe in the first round. I doubt it, but. I'm not so sure they draft one. And I'm almost certain they won't drop on the first round after getting golden Tate. I mean, they have a lot of picks. So they'll they'll draft one. 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You don't watch sports H Q. This is a great time to start watching it. It's twenty four seven. It's got all the tournament highlights. Alice's the picks that you want the bracket algae all week live shows to help you win your office pool. It's on CBS sports HQ. It's always on. And you can stream it live on all of your devices guy used my Roku. Whatever you have apple TV get the CBS sports app, and you can get you can get H Q for free on the CBS sports app. Can I say how excited I am for the next three weeks of you saying the word tournament? I say weird. I don't think I think it's normal for someone from your part of the country. Lots of people say it that way. It just makes me giggle. What do I say? Tournament. I do not say that. Yes. Get it to our to challenge right now. Dave Gettleman and say you all right to Witter poll which running back. Do you want in two thousand nineteen twenty five hundred votes? Mark Ingram, Damian Williams or Phillip Lindsey Mark Ingram Dame Williams. Don't forget Carlos Hyde is now on the chiefs and Philip Lindsey. So what would you guys have answered? If I could pick one without round consideration draft around consideration. It would be Williams. Yeah. I think I'd still go with Williams as well. I think the only way Ingram's in don't really thinking in this conversation. But the only ways in this conversation is if it's a non PR league, he's very good catching the football. But I don't expect there to be a lot of pass catching opportunities in Baltimore. Not compared to the other guy. Right. So I'll go with Williams for now. Williams Lindsay Ingram all top twenty four fantasy running backs. Well. Yeah. Lizzy for the record. He only caught thirty five balls last year. I mean, I know we're hopeful that that could improve. But he wasn't exactly good in PR. So am I too excited about Mark Ingram? I don't see competition there. I see team that led the league and rush attempts. I don't think he's old. I mean, I know he's he's a little older. I think he's twenty nine but he's he's had only one season with a ton of work had about three hundred touches one year. And he was amazing. So I I love it. And I I don't think answer Ingram. I think I'd probably answer. Oh, man. Actually, I think I would answer Philip Linsey who actually won the poll thirty eight percent, Damian Williams. Thirty five percent marketing, I'm twenty seven percents pretty close. But yeah, my too excited about this Ingram news going to Baltimore. No. I think it makes sense. Because it seems like he's got a clear path to being an every down running back for Baltimore. I think Kenneth Dixon if he stays healthy could take away some third-down work from him. I don't think. I don't think you can run the ball forty five times a game and give I don't know that Ingraham's going to be twenty five touch guy. Third. How twenty five touch guy? Maybe twice. Yeah. Because like a fourth maybe a third of those wash attempts are going to Lamar Jackson. And they did use multiple back's pretty regularly last year. No, maybe because they didn't have they didn't have anybody talented marketing. Groom exactly. But I don't know that just because they got Mark Ingram. They're going to just give him all that work. Well, I think Mark Ingram is the better running back compared to everybody that they had last year. Yes outs Collins, but he's got the same type of fumbling issue member. Six fumbles the last two seasons that matters. But I think he'll have more belief outs. Collins had I think it solves their goal line. Dilemma remember because they were going between college Baucau Allen and everybody else. I think Ingram gets that job. I think he's going to get the most carries of any other back on that team. And it's a good offensive line. It's a run Centric offense. I the problem is I don't know necessarily. It solves probably the issue of giving curious to multiple Bax, but they had a goal line issue. Once the Mark Jackson. Quarterback because it's hard to run the option that close to the goal line and Jackson was sometimes taken him. Senate teams don't really have much of a threat of him beating them with the pass in the red zone. So it gets more difficult to run down there. Okay. So how would you rank the three of them? Lindsey Damien Williams Mark Ingram. Williams Lindsay Ingram for no same. Okay. So Twitter poll number two. Oh, by the way, we are going to talk about not not much about it. But the tyreek hill situation because I mean, that's huge Twitter poll number two, assuming both Tevin Coleman and jerick. Mckinnon are on the team. What is your approach the San Francisco running backs about three thousand votes here? I want Coleman. I want my kid in I'll drive both. I'm avoiding them. I'm avoiding them one going away. Fifty nine percent draft. Both got seven percent. I want McKinnon twelve percent. I want Coleman. Twenty two percent about you guys. What is your Suming? They're both their plus Brita. What are you doing with the Niners running backs I want Coleman? But only if I can get him in late round four or around five if he slips. I'm not taking any of them in the first four rounds. Okay. I just I think that he's the most versatile the healthiest. Best playmaker of the three. I think he just has everything in his favor. I think how Shan and knows exactly what he's getting because he helped draft having Coleman once upon a time when the two were in Atlanta. I think it's I think it's a no brainer that he will be the best running back in San Francisco. And I think that offense is going to be better this year than it was last year. It has to be they're gonna get their quarterback back. Their offense of line will be better. I think that they realize that they. Should not count on jerick McKinnon to be their primary back in. There's no way they can trust map Brita to be that guy when he limped off the field practically every game. So Coleman solves those problems. He's not gonna get every touch, but he's he's going to be their best answer running back. I think that's been question is what the whoever it is that leads the forty Niners in Russia temps this year. How many do they have? I'm not sure leaving two hundred. Yeah. That's that's McKinnon stays healthy though. Brita stays healthy ranking Moster will be back. They're going to be able to do some sort of a rotation there. I just think Coleman a lead the rotation. There'll be some weeks where he has ten carries forty yards, and you're gonna you're gonna act like Cuba when he gets hit by that Coley snake, and he has all those curse words come out of his mouth. But you don't know what the curse words are because it just letters third signing letters. It's symbols. I I don't know. I don't know. I don't really get this reference Hubert. You're never played Cuba, replayed it. I know it, but I've never played it. It was a pretty annoying game. But part of the fun of it was knowing that Uber. Curses every time he gets bit. So I am seeing in PR leagues. There were like six top fourteen running backs who had fewer than two hundred carries Alvin Kamara was fourth James white was eighth. Kareem hunt was eleventh and to recon was twelve so four top twelve how the hell was three Cohen top twelve running back. He had seventy one catches. So four top twelve running backs and PR that had fewer than two hundred carries and two of them fewer than one hundred carries. That's but they had a lot of catches in that format. Each catches worth points. I don't think anybody on this team is catching sixty passes. Let me let me check not without injuries. Yeah. And if they caught McKinnon doesn't seem like they will. But if a kid didn't exist I'd be pretty fired up about seven coma going to forty Niners. I mean, they read read it in exist. What if something happens to either one of those running backs during the preseason? Yeah. I'd be I'd be I'd be willing to take a late fourth round pick flyer on Coleman. And because because I feel like one of them will get dinged up at some point in the year. I'm gonna make the assumption that Tevin Coleman will get the lead way. And I'm going to be to them late round for. Hey, I forgot back. There were five running backs that had fewer than two hundred carries and finish at the top twelve. Melvin Gordon was number seven. He only a hundred seventy five so chimera. Melvin Gordon Kareem hunt in non PR and James white four in the top twelve and non PR had fewer than two hundred carries. Well, and the other key besides the catches chimera scored eighteen touchdowns Gordon's word fourteen hunts word fourteen James Wieser, twelve. So you don't think Coleman could score twelve touchdowns. I wouldn't expect him to score twelve touchdowns. See expect it's probably closer to eight or nine map to scored five Moster scored one. I don't have their. I don't have what Alfred Morris did. Okay. Whatever you probably have twenty. So that would be the Niners running backs. How would you? How would you rank Kevin Coleman Jerry McKinnon and latavius Murray? Mccomb is going to be number one far and away. And then actually have Murray. Spot ahead of MacKinnon. And PR right now. I believe I have it. Mckinnon. Followed by Coleman and Murray. The second quick break. When we come back. We'll talk about tyreek hill Kareem hunt some rankings some interesting stats about the saints. All the news and notes you can handle and your emails at fantasy football at CBS, I dot com. And that's a great time. What we take this break for you to go. Join our bracket challenge update you on our participants right after this the NCW tournaments here in the CBS sports. I on college basketball podcast is the best place to keep up with everything. 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I'm not here to bash the SEC I wanna tell you about my podcast off the bench with canal and bell by co-host Raja bell. And I cover sports from the perspective of former pro athletes five times a week. We talk about what we are passionate about. And it's not always the Xs and os, actually, it rarely is we dive deeper into sports discussions while relating back to our own playing days people. Tell me I'm much different on the podcast. I am on Twitter. Let's hope so I'm not very likable on Twitter. You be the judge subscribed to off the bench with Cannella bell anywhere podcast found. So the big news, and there's a lot of news, but two items that were important in on tyreek hill being investigated for domestic violence and Kareem hunt suspended eight games. Well, do we have any new information about tyreek hill, I think the main thing to keep him? And it's just a obviously difficult things about there is a lot of conflicting information and no new information since the first report came out. And so I don't think we have. I don't think we have any real for sure information at all at this time. If he were suspended for six eight games, where do you think you'd rank Patrick Mahomes? Not number one. But still top five. Maybe still top three. Would you rank Baker Mayfield ahead of him? I don't think I'd go there because he Patrick Mahomes is still going to have other options in the offense straps. Kelsey is pretty damn good. Sammy Watkins would probably be asked to contribute more. Sammy Watkins would be amazing. He was fantastic lash. Right. If tyreek hill were not playing Sammy Watkins would be like if this is more about Mahomes, I think Mahomes could turn Watkins into a top twelve receiver definitely on a on a per game basis, for sure he'd lien on his running backs a little bit more like the chiefs would find ways. But I think that insane upside of four hundred yards and four touchdowns goes away. Tyreek hill is not on the field. So you would you would you drop him behind who's QB to for you Aaron Rodgers I have loved to I have Watson to. Okay. So would you take Rogers or Mahomes in this six to eight game suspension scenario? I think I would go Mahomes. I think I would drop him behind luck. And he would be by number two quarterback. I was thinking. Yeah. He'd be number two or three for me. Then I really hope that this is not true. But you know, tyreek hill we did have the domestic violence issue in college really hor- of horrifying stuff, and they cut Kareem hunt. And I can't imagine they'd cut tyreek hill, but it's not at a lot of. It depends on the severity of the incident. Yeah. I would say if the regional report was true. He would not be on the cheese. They got 'em. How could they not after what they did with current day? I know they sort of set a precedent for themselves. But you know, winning is important and hill hunts. Great, but he'll is a lot harder to replace hunt. Don't. But it's still saying what's right or wrong. You're like, I think caught him if it's true. But I'm just saying I don't know what the chiefs would do because they almost went to the Super Bowl last year. And like it would be I'm sure it'll be a difficult decision for their front office. But you know, what? Let's let's let's wait for it to play out Kareem hunt suspended eight games when we think what do you think about Nick job and Kareem out now. So I'm I'm first of all I'm a big fan of Nick shop, and I was a big fan of cream home. When he came out to people who've been listening to podcasts for longtime might remember that I think the first game of the season, you're gonna see Nick Chubb come out as a house of fire. It's such a great situation for them. Now that Odell they're never gonna see seven bucks. It's kind of like the same thing that Kareem month had each of the last two seasons in Kansas City such great receiving core around him forces defenses to play their safeties back. They've gotta respect the pass. They can't stack the box and it opens up tons of opportunities. And I think Trump is a better pass catcher than you might give credit for last year. I would assume that he'll begin the season as the heavy lifting running back for them. Maybe only getting off the field of Duke Johnson is still there which maybe maybe not Duke will probably come in obvious passing situations. I thought long and hard about what happens when hung comes back, and it just makes too much sense for the Browns to not use them or to use them. I'm saying it does it wouldn't make sense that they didn't use them. I'm sorry for mixing what I was saying. They're thought that clarify what you're saying. What I'm saying is Kareem hunt is definitely going to have a role when he comes back. He might replace Duke Johnson as the passing downs guy and take a couple of carries off of Nick Chubb. What's the motivation for the Browns to lean heavy on Nick Chubb in the second half of the season? When. Theoretically, they're fighting for a playoff spot, maybe for the division title, which I think they're gonna get. So Nick might go from twenty touches a game down to fifteen sixteen. He'll still be good. But I can't take them in around one anymore. He's going to be around to. But in early round to a non PR mental around two full PR for me, and I'm still going to be excited to get him. And I'm not gonna commit to getting Kareem hunt. Even if I get niche along, I don't think Kareem hunt will have fantasy relevance unless Nick job gets hurt. Yeah. I mean, it could be like Ingram coming back from suspension where he he was he had good game. Specially as first game back. But Mark Ingram was a headache. A starter said headache, you know, you just didn't know what is workload was going to be. He had to score. And sometimes he did sometimes it didn't. But those are the types of players. I I really don't like having on my team. They don't have define role, and if they do have defined role there. Just touchdown dependent. Right. I can't see I can't see Kareem hunt after an eight game absence coming back and like getting steady dependable consistent work where we have solid expectations and can easily make starters at decisions. There's only one way that happens an inch two ways injury. And Chubb isn't as good as we think you that's that is true. That is true. But hunt will come back is a fresh legged three down potential back in week nine week ten depending on the Browns by is. And they buffoonish not to use them. He's gonna get work. He's going to take touches away from Nick job. I don't think it's gonna make Nick Chubb a dud. I don't think he's going to go from you know, must start fancy running back to I guess I have to start him. I think he'll be a little bit better than that. But I don't think he's going to be. I don't think he's going to be Zeki allow Elliot Todd Gurley. Okay. Aaron Jones will be better than Nick shop to revolts. False false rank these three players Odell Beckham, Nick chubs Eckardt's. In PR. I will take Beckham I then Shaab than hurts. But they are all top thirty. Okay. In non PR chick Chubb over Beckham. Yes. All right heath what you got Chubb Beckham earth's Algo Beckham chub or its and we've almost got a team name. Okay. Let's clean ranking now with no suggests of team names. All right here, we go rank these three golden Tate. Dante Pettus, Robbie Anderson. Golden Tate, Dante Pettis Robbie Anderson. Pettus is my one on that list. Anderson's gonna be my two and golden Tate's can be my three that's in non PR. But I I I love how the off season has shook out for Dante pet do PR because I zero interest in golden Tate and non PR. Okay. Fine. Pettus is still going to be my one Anderson to and tape three. So this the same right? Even NPR I will take the upside of a second-year receiver catching passes from Jimmy Garoppolo. And the upside of Anderson catching passes from second year quarterback Sam darnold over golden Tate, working in a who knows what role with the giants. Algo Pettus, Tate Anderson, and I love raw, and you're the Robby guy. I don't love Adam case. I can we just wrap up golden Tate. Like is he going to be ninety catch guy again because four straight years two thousand fourteen to two thousand seventeen he caught ninety to ninety nine passes in three of those years. He was over a thousand yards. He's always four to six touchdowns. So here's where he finished two thousand fourteen to two thousand seventeen in verse non PR going from two thousand fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen he was thirteenth then he was thirty second headed down here. Twenty four th twenty first then PR he was eleventh twenty-third eighteenth thirteen. So that's the top eighteen wide receiver NPR three of the last four years with about ninety catches thousand to eleven hundred yards five four or five touchdowns doesn't like that doesn't seem. I don't I feel like the catch is won't be there. But a thousand eleven hundred yards and five touchdowns. That's not that unrealistic. So maybe I'm being too hard on golden Tate. The problem is that thousand yards probably unrealistic if he doesn't catch ninety passes. I I've got him for seventy six eight twenty and five touchdowns. So you agree on the five touchdowns. Gravity. That's not a good year. Yeah. That's not. That's not somebody you need to draft. So Dell head over ninety catches in two thousand sixteen two thousand fifteen and in twenty four teen. He did it again ninety one catches then I won't more saquon ninety catches less year. So yes Elias connected with a teammate for ninety catches all but one of the last four five seasons. I wouldn't say it's not somebody need to draft which is not somebody need to prioritize. But it's a top forty wide receiver Beckham had seventy seven catches in twelve games last year. So he was certainly on his way. But but it's so del Beckham. Yes, golden Tate, and I I would be I would be surprised if he had ninety catches golden date and not only that Davey mentioned this the last eight games of the season needed mentioned the exact stat. But they just they just ran the ball so much either. Manning averaged thirty nine point four pass attempts per game before the by. Last eight games thirty two point six tenths attempts per game. That is very low, and that will hurt does that that is what they're going to try to do whether they can do it successfully. I don't know. But they are going to try to run. All right. I think key to that was they played pretty decent defense down the stretch. Right. I. They I don't know there were four offense of line awesome proved their line improved. I don't know if they're events included. They played some some bad offenses. They played Tennessee without Mario they play. The redskins. Yeah. All right. Whatever enough had him. He can you name the last giants wide receiver not named L Beckham to get over ninety catches from. I manning Victor crew Vickers is not correct Akeem. Knicks also not correct ExCo birth. Not correct Amani Toomer. Not correct. But there is somebody someone did it. God, I have no idea. Heath guesses. It's that other Steve Smith caught one hundred seven balls on hundred and fifty seven targets in two thousand nine for twelve twenty seven all right back to the rankings rank these three Antonio Brown. Travis Kelsey Odell Beckham. Tonio brown. Travis Kelsey Odell Beckham. Beckham Kelsey Brown. I'm with you. Exact same order all them. Obviously. I two second round picks in full PBR. Last one rank these three Mark Ingram. Derrick Henry, by the way, underrated signing Tennessee met Roger Saphal left guard. So Mark Ingram. Derrick Henry, devante Freeman. I currently have them back to back to back and I've got Ingram. Freeman Henry I the exact opposite order in PR Henry Freeman and grim. That's funny. They have back to back back did not know that. So and mine are not back to back to back. Why are we not like super jazzed about? Devante freeman. Because we don't know what we're getting other than probably a running back who's going to split. He's also he's awesome. When he plays, right. He's got some pretty significant injury question marks. And he doesn't have I don't believe he has three hundred touch upside anymore. Like, he didn't two thousand eighteen you're probably looking at two fifty to seventy and he could be very very good. But I I'm worried about his ability to stay on the field. That's fair. One other thing he doesn't have is seven Coleman. But he's got -ito Smith Ito's isn't as good as seven Coleman. I agree with you. But it somebody that the coaching staff likes and we've seen it now for the past couple of years at they're very comfortable. Having two running backs all the time. I think I'm gonna. Move Ingram ahead of freemen just based on. What's what's coming out of my mouth, and what's coming out of heat smelt right now, it makes sense. We don't know how much is going to play. We know that the falcons aren't going to rush to give him twenty touches every week. There might be some games where he just falls into that type of production. But Ito's going to have to stink. Yeah. And that reminds me about another point I wanted to make about Kareem hunt. Okay. Though the way that you should view cream hunt is as one of those great quality backup running backs who's got potential to become a starter. But unlike Kareem hunt, guys like ITO and Rashad penny, and I think you can throw Carlo side into this conversation to they're going to be ready to go week one. And if for any reason in weeks one through eight they get an opportunity to start and be the lead guy for their teams. I think that kinda makes them better for drafting purposes than hunt. Well, yeah, I mean, who I guess it depends on how many bench spots you have. But if you only have like five bench spots, and you're holding onto someone for eight weeks. It's tough that is very tough highway point Mark Ingram lash because I would I wasn't gonna use them for four weeks or five of the first six weeks. There are leagues though where when a guy suspended. They can go in that injured sluts injured he suspended. That's not right. We would regulate the hell out of that. But there are definitely league's just allowed. Well, it shouldn't be other provides parking your nineteen eighty nine Chevy in the low emission spot at work. Okay. We only have thirty nine people so far the tournament challenge. That's thirty seven though since we tweeted at like twenty minutes ago. So that's not a bad rate. But we gotta get that number out. Let's get two thousand everybody. Join our tournament challenge stat of the day. So let's talk a little bit more about the saints. And what the tavis Murray brings to the table. But drew Brees averaged forty point two five pass attempts per game in four games without Ingram. Twenty nine point eight pass attempts per game in eleven games with Ingram. Drew Brees not play in week seventeen. But that is ten fewer pass attempts per game. It's unbelievable. Meanwhile, Alvin Kamara was just ridiculous fourteen carries per game and forty seven targets in four games without anger. AM eleven point five carries per game. No twelve point five carries per game. One one and a half year and fifty eight carries in eleven gay eleven or twelve games. Did he play week seventeen? He did not so eleven games with with Ingram. So what do you think? I mean, did you move Kamera up when they replace it with the Mary how big of a downgrade is Murray from Ingram is marriage is going to step in and be the next thing. You know, like there's a lot to talk about here. I think the difference between Maureen Ingram is that earned Ingram could have great success in the passing game. I'm not sure that Murray. Can I do think there's an opportunity for Murray to score a lot of touchdowns and be a frustrating guy on a week to week basis? Maybe a better option in best ball format where you get those points when he scores, but you don't have to choose when to start him. I don't have any room to move Alvin Kamara up because he's already my number three running back, and I can't put them at Zeke or sake. One. I've got him ahead of seek and full PBR. Amici freeze my number two running back there. I do think that this opens the door for him to be exclusively on the field. When the saints wanna throw the ball. I think they will probably try and use latavius very similarly to Mark Ingram. But he's not as good of a pass catcher. And I think defenses will expect the run when latavius is on the field. Whereas when chimeras on the field anything can happen. So look at ten carries a game ten touches. Maybe maybe nine carries one catch and Alan Kamera takes the rest. I think he does see a little bit more work. I think the opportunity will be greater for him this year to pick up touches in yardage than it was last year. Davies Mary has not been a bad running back. He's been a pretty average running back. And as a cited as I am for Mark Ingraham in Baltimore. I do think you have to ask the question. It was Mark Ingram a product of the system. Why really don't think I'll Camaros I think alva- cameras is like a superstar Ingram on the other hand us. Yards per carry. It's terrific year after year after year. But if always had a good offensive line pretty much. They obviously have a great quarterback. They're not gonna see eight men in the box as often as usual and as most teams and thou latavius Murray's steps into that role. And maybe his numbers just get a big boost. Maybe it's a saints boost. You know, I think there's a good chances yards per carry. It gets a boost. The only question I have in the bears of talked about this with wanting to get rid of Jordan Howard is they didn't like the fact that when they had our on the field teams knew they were gonna run a higher percentage of the time when they had Cohen out. There teams knew they were gonna pass a higher percentage of the time. And I think the saints have kind of worked themselves into that situation more. Whereas England Ingram was out there, you really didn't know anything. And so I do worry that he doesn't get quite the same boost from New Orleans Ingram did. And I think that my basic philosophy is like just about every running back in. Passes. If they're given the opportunity guy, I don't think gusts Edwards can. But I think it's very Kenny as a forty one catch season. That's not terrible that's his career high. He had thirty three catch season in two thousand sixteen right after the forty-one catch season. I don't know that you look at Mark Ingram, and you expect like going to Baltimore we don't really expect Morgan going to be a big PR guy. But that's just what running backs do in New Orleans. Sure. Makes sense. Yeah. It doesn't mean that. I would. It doesn't mean that I'm going to be excited about the tavis would've been head marking stayed right? The nice thing about is that if you're getting latavius Murray and he's going to perform like Mark Ingram. You're getting them with the latavius Mary discount because of Ingram stayed in New Orleans. We'd be taking him in round six. And now that he's gone. We're gonna take him earlier than route six he's in Baltimore. That's a great opportunity. But latavius Murray's gonna come to rounds later, they'll be around eight type guy. So that might end up being a decent value. All told in the end think about this though. And if you if you're into handcuffing Kamera, right? It's much better for you. Well, now, it's the first round pick on eight of the K and then round eight you're going to let's say let's say he's twelve team league round eight like end round eight guy if you drafted Alvin Kamara you took them second to fourth right? You have to you might have to go around seven. You want us to go early round seven to make sure. Let's thing. How many raise your hand? If you're going to be excited to draft latavius Murray's around eight, and you don't have Camaro on your team. Like, he can't wait to do it. Well, it's it's a pretty good round seven round pick. If you started off at the end of the first round with the Andre Hopkins and Odell Beckham, and then you took hurts in the third. If you're going to zero RV approach, it's exactly the type running back. You want to target. Are you taking Carlos Hyde or the tavis Murray? Hide right now, I would say Murray. Okay. Why the difference there? I don't think the chiefs are going to be in a situation most likely where they're splitting up running back touches. I think there's a good chance that hide gets that job. But I expect the Damien Williams is going to start the year with the job. And when he has the job anything hides role is going to be much smaller than Murray's New Orleans. Right. But it's we're talking about a running back who when he doesn't have the job in Kansas City might have one fancy point Karla side. What's latavius gonna get on a week to week basis? It's gonna be a good way for the tavis. If you get six, I would guess touch. I think is a flex. I feel like I can do better than that at lex. It's possible. I mean, how many good weeks Mark Ingram half last year? Five six max. No, I don't I don't even think that many, my guess, I I mean, I could check. But let's okay. So so round eight times twelve that's ninety six picks. So let's who who are guys who are currently like looking at rankings going around that Dante Pettus, we'll full or Cortlandt Sutton. Quarterbacks obviously, Christian kirksey, these young wide receivers. Royce Freeman rob gronkowski like today. Strike you. As better this Cortlandt Sutton, Dante Pettis strike you as better than than. Let's Avis for. Sure. Yes. Okay. Had four double digit non PR fantasy point games three of them were nineteen. Plus so his when he was when he was good Israel good. Otherwise, he disappointed when you're looking at flex. You're looking for eight right? Let me get six of those. Yeah. I'd say that's fair. Of course, the problem with Ingram. I guess it should also be noted Ingram did not catch passes last year. So I probably should've mentioned that. But you know, like, I said Ingram was was very good in PR with the saints. But not last year for whatever reason they just didn't throw the ball. How many catches did he have last year twenty one and twelve Marable what the hell was that? It was so weird. So he was a PR thing was he's still caught eighty percent of or seventy eight percent of his targets average over earth per catch. The I don't get it. Remember, they really struggled on the road. Down the stretch. And. I don't know where I'm going with that their offense was a little up and down. Yeah. You know, it was great offense. But let me see the four games. He missed. I forget it. I'll just forget it. All right. Let's let's let's talk about some other news and notes sorry from confusing people quarterback. Okay. Huge stuff game changing stuff. Ryan tannehill. There's that. Yeah. I'm sorry. Ryan, Patrick, but also riot add hell here, we go. I found my notes. Okay. Ryan Fitzpatrick to the dolphins. Ryan tannehill to the titans. I could get excited about Kenny stills again. Yep. But it's still Ryan Fitzpatrick. It's still the dolphins. Yeah. Stills Ann Arbor Wilson or two guys that will be nice fourth and fifth receivers that you can grab very late on draft day. You're not taking its Patrick a must to quarterback league. And you will feel great about it. As of now, he's he's in line for sixteen games, man. They're going to draft a quarterback. I would assume that that guy will get a chance it's starting half the season. But this is just an ugly ugly year ahead for the dolphins and their offense. They're taking they're taking that is good tanking. Tyrod Taylor the chargers the giants. He turned the dolphins down. Yeah. So to Bridgewater. They both said it will they don't want to be a part of the tank. The giants reportedly don't think twain Haskins is a good fit. We'll see could could be a smokescreen. He's too young and too talented, and they like their quarterbacks old and over the hill. Did you see the report that former Steelers running back? Josh Harris says that Ben Rothlisberger. Fumbled the ball on purpose in two thousand fourteen to spite offense coordinator, Todd Haley. That's totally believable. Yeah. It was a kneel down situation where they should have been doing the body. They were up by nine and he called for a running play Haley and Rosberg was just like they all were only there is in the huddle the way Josh Harris tells a story, but rather burger handed the ball off to the fullback. And if you watch the video the fullback was definitely not expected the ball. And maybe that was his fault. I don't know. But it's going to CBS sports dot com. We have the story on our NFL page of Rothlisberger. Fumbling the ball on purpose. According to running back. Josh harris. Who was the running back in the game at the time. Running back news Mark Ingram. Kevin coleman. How about the Redskins re-signing Adrian Peterson? Can you play quarterback? Bad news for it is right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Washington's another one of these teams that is in offense of hell. And I don't I don't I don't know if this necessarily means that Geis's slow and his recovery 'cause he posts videos on social media all the time. He's he he them run straight now. And I think he's getting close to cutting and being ready to go, but Washington clearly wants to have multiple backs. They liked what they got out of AP. They're they're passing game is going to be terrible. The there these running backs because he stacked boxes all the time. And Washington will probably trail in a good bunch of games. And neither one Peterson nor Geiss will be great for fantasies. It's sad. I'm sad. So would you take guys or berry? I'll take Geiss also guys. That's nice. Okay. The trait. Low re-sign running back Zach Zetter. And he actually finished the season kinda strong. But I don't think it's stiff competition for kerryon Johnson. And the jets released as Crowell were just we are careening toward a draft day selection by the lines that will make us all very frustrated that they will take one of these running backs that we like and they're going to pair them with kerryon Johnson for a young one two punch. I'm wondering if we see Zia Crowell in Oakland. No. That would be interesting. Forty five invites accepted so far for the bracket challenge. Wide receiver news. Golden Tate giants John Brown and Kobe's lead the bills tyrel Williams to Oakland, forty seven million dollar deal. Twenty two million guaranteed tire Williams. He's going to be the number two receiver their next Santoni. Brown will never see single coverage will never say double because they feel a lot of single coverage. Oh, yeah. That's what I hate it rich, but he's got their cards score setting up for Derek arch oak in that botched it. Yeah. Well, I mean, look court car could. Car could be a top eighteen quarterback. He could definitely be a must start to quarterback league guy. Yeah. You know, he doesn't have to play that well to put a fantasy numbers so Sarah William somebody you're drafting a win. Would you draft him? No, okay. You're just not gonna drop them. I'm not going to draft him. I'll draft tyrel. Ultimately, I like him. I I'm always willing to call tyrel. But by week replacement car is not going to throw the ball. Deep down the field. Okay. Oakland released Jordy Nelson dolphins resigned. Devante parker. Tampa Bay shot Perryman bears Cordeiro Patterson. He's a special teams player. Arizona. Kevin white. Dave talked about that earlier. Dallas gonna keep Dave Austin big deal. The patriots resigned Philip or set now going into the Super Bowl door set had a three game touchdown streak. I don't think he had more than forty five yards in any of those games. But yeah with with Josh Gordon, looking unlikely to be in New England. Maybe no gronk anybody excited about door set. I won't be so ready to say that Josh Gordon won't be New England. Well, he won't be there for week one. I wouldn't think I think there's a I I don't think we have there's been some reports that the NFL is kind of softening their stance on those types of suspensions. Okay. And I think there is a possibility that Josh Gordon could have if obviously he's got to do some things. But I wouldn't write him off. Okay. So so no under said, or what know on door said MAURICE, Harris. The patriots also signed no on Maury serice in Jacksonville signed Chris Conley know on Chris Conley and Pittsburgh downtime Ongeri which we talked about. And I want round pick put air signing. Kevin white am I know twice? That's great. How about maybe you're excited about Kevin wife getting that opportunity? I guess so. How taken? Draft him though, I'll draft twice Jordan Mathews to San Francisco and it won't care. I think that's a better signing for Jimmy Garoppolo than it is for Jordan Mathews Toronto. Alison degreen bay. We talked about tight end Cincinnati. We signed Tyler I for that's pretty much. The only significant tight end news Tyler effort. How am I never had the team name Tyler? I hurt. Do you do? Now I do team name Monday. Okay. And then anything big on the offense of line guys. I mean maximum retiring, that's it max hunger. Retired. He was a huge part of that saints offense of line figuratively and literally and they're going to replace him. Nick eastern who they signed from Minnesota. That's downgrade downgrade for that line anything else. I mean, how important is the Roger Sappho signing. That's a big one four years forty four million dollars for a guard. Roger Sappho going from the Rams to the titans. I think it tells you what the titans wanna do on offense. I think traded for tannehill day if they wanna throw it. They they wanna do the exact opposite of that. When you trade for Ryan tannehill. You do not want to throw the football. Yeah. The only thing I've really seen about their new offense coordinator was his dad talking about how much he believes in running the football. Because his I think his dad runs FedEx. All right. That's the new offense coordinator. Yes. Arthur smith. Yes. And he he was giving quotes about their their running. All remind everyone that the new offense of coordinator of the titans is their former tight ends coach who's been with the team kind of as a hanger on for. I believe close to a decade and is going to be using somebody else's playbook to call plays and has never called plays before in his life. It is the worst offense of coordinator situation or play collar situation in the NFL. And I think the worst offensive line this year the dolphins are going to be in the running. If they have lost at least three guys from last year. Right. They lost Sitton. They wont James has sit and got hurt. John James has gone. Ted Larsen is on the bears now. Right. But he he was like a pack of maybe they had to start him. Maybe I'm wrong injury. They're gonna have a bad offensive line. They're going to be there. They're just going to be in bad shape. All the way around buffalo got my favorite backup. Tackle who's going to be a starter for them tie and Seki? Oh, you say thank you for pronouncing that Seki it might be something a little off of that. I apologize. If it's not, right. But I thought he was really good every time he stepped in in Washington that could be bad news for Josh Ellen owners. Well. Well, could you want him running such huge percentages fantasy points came from running after he was pressured debt could be pretty sucky news sucky terrible Denver center. Matt Paradis is now Carolina center met Paradis. And they also resigned are Williams. So the Panthers fortifying the line a little bit Seattle resigned. DJ fluker inside Mike, you potty for the interior of their line at my body is now played for three fourths of the teams the NFC west. So if you were a Panthers fan and you decided to buy season tickets because of this new we bought a pair. Would you say you got two tickets to paradise? The balch. It's joke. Was you potty side James carpenter and Jim on Brown? And that's it. I think we're done. I like those signings for Atlanta. Yeah. Right. Because they're line graded very poorly last year. If I recall that did and they got rid of the right tackle as well. But they were placed they got rid of the right tackle. But they brought in new guards. And we'll see how that goes for them. They're run grade from pro football. Oh, what they was good. Okay. Maybe I was wrong. You know, what I evaluated them on film? And I was I thought. Here we go again. So let's get we'll talk to you guys on Wednesday or Thursday with our second episode of the week. You know, we need to do we need to do a mock draft one of those pretty. Yeah. That'd be fun. David. I'm adam. Thanks. Listen.

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BGN Radio #18: Mid-Season Report Card

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BGN Radio #18: Mid-Season Report Card

"What if all you're breaking news alerts had a voice what would that sound like it would sound like today? Explain its daily news podcast from vox. I'm Sean Ramos grim every day my team, and I take one essential news story, politics, two movies sports science, and we break it down into twenty minute episodes. Perfect for your ride home subscribed today. Explain on apple podcasts or wherever you listen from Stitcher, and the vox media podcast network. Ladies and gentlemen. Can I please have your attention? I've just been handed an urgent at horrifying news story. All of you. Stop what you're doing. Listen. Hello, bleeding, green nation and welcome back to another edition of BGN radio. This episode number eighteen it may sound like a different voice. But this is John Stolnis from bleeding green nation dot com. You can follow me on Twitter at John Stolnis. You'll have to forgive me. I'm I'm battling something of a chest cold or something going on here. So I'm gonna Michael kissed the podcast a little bit here today gonna take down to the lower registers as Michael does. Maybe we need to use Michael St. music. Well, we'll leave that up to him. But we got a buy week special here for you myself and the brains behind the operation, the great b- LG Brandon league out in is joining me once again, be Eljay. Welcome to BGN radio episode eighteen how you doing man done. Thank you. First of all, I think we all need this by week because I've been sick. You clearly whatever you have going on Michael kissed has some kind of shoulder thing going on. We saw that. All man, the BGN crew is just like, you know, we're we're banged up to apparently. So. I think we need to use this by week to get better. That's what will do after this podcast will kind of have a nice weekend here to cut into relax hopefully in Watson football. And then I'll get or get already for the second half of the eagles season. I told him fight club was a bad idea may. He just does his own thing. Michael kiss likes to do his own thing. But no, we got a great. We got a great show lined up here for you. We're gonna get into where the injury stuff stands here with the eagles coming up in a little bit. We got the midseason report card. Now the eagles season is officially halfway done. We'll take a look at the schedules for the NFC east teams coming up here over the next all the teams except the giants. Because really, you know, who cares. And we'll give you our picks. We'll do a couple extra games this week because we don't have an eagles game to talk about. But obviously be LG. The main thing to talk about here to start off as you, and I have not had a chance to discuss the golden Tate trade, and I know Michael and band did a great job on the kissed and Solex show. Breaking it all down where Tate fits in on this year's team where he fits in as far as the future is concerned what it means for other wide receivers. But. And so they broke down some some really great Xs and os, make sure you check out those podcasts, but you know, for us. I think you know, we'll start off by asking the very simple question. A third rounder for golden Tate. Was it too much be Eljay? I don't think it's too much. The question right because there are. When you look at this move. I think it's easy to be like, okay? You gave up a third Rumbek, which is very valuable considering the eagles are going to be tight on cast face in the future for a player. Who I mean, he probably doesn't make the difference between the eagles winning the Super Bowl this year. I said probably I mean, there's a fancy does. But I just you know, you look where the team is at four and four I think they currently have a twenty one percent chance of making the playoffs per football, outsiders metrics. So it's not even awesome chance, you know, your foreign Ford Washington's five and two so they're in the division lead right now. So I mean the eagles, you know, they they have their work cut out for him in the second half of the schedules. Are that you can take the side of you know. It was too much to give up. But I think that's not my take on it. I think my take is when you are foreign for your at the by here, and you have this opportunity to make a run in front of you because you have five division games. You have games against the saints. And the Rams which are very big games. Obviously, I think and most importantly of all when you have a quarterback like Carson Wentz who is playing as well as he is. And look, you know, some some people are I feel like weirdly down on Carson Wentz. Like, that's crazy. That's a crazy. The fumbles. I get like that's that's a mild concern to me. It's not a major issue. I know he's had what like six loss in seven games here. I think that's a little bit. You know? I I don't think I look at that. And like all man that's going to sink the season. I think that's kinda something that's been in the shoe, but will work itself out. And like, I'll take those fumbles considering how good is passing numbers are. So the way Aaron Rodgers was a very big fumble earlier we are because both were play. Makers they they waited too long. They were trying to make plays in the pocket. Yeah. If you can be frustrated Harsono in Sunwing. But then like you also if that's the case you also have to look at those big plays. He makes when he's extending the play on holding onto the ball. And take those two. I mean, you know, used to take the good with the bad. So right. But the overall point they're just being I think he's playing at such a high level. And he's shown that that's not just a fluke. You know? This is something obviously did seventeen before he got hurt that you know, like he can get hot. And I think based around that this team can go on a run late in the season. I mean, we've seen plenty of things that should give you legitimate pause, especially, you know, the offense aligns banged up here, and you know, in Johnston tensely miss a month. You know, the secondary allows to any big plays like their issues here. I'm not I'm not trying to make you see there aren't. But I think the overall point is when you have a quarterback who can essentially be elite leading Carson Wentz can be. I think deals. Aren't allowed to delude themselves a little bit. Now. This ability different case, you know, if had Sam Bradford or someone or even the falls at this point in the season like starting for the rest of the year, then they're making this trade when it's like, okay. They clearly don't have a real chance to contend. So I think, you know, even that they they have a prayer at least of a chance to compete with Carson. And you have a you're getting a player who directly helps him which is how can that ever? Really be too much of a bad thing considering you know, he is the franchise. And what did we say we want? What has been one of? This team's biggest issues this year. We've been saying they don't make enough big place, and golden Tate isn't your traditional deep threat guy. That would have been great to get like if you know eagles could have gotten the Sean Jackson that would have been great. But clearly he wasn't available. So what what did the yet? Probably one of the next best things they could have in that regard. And a guy who makes big plays after the. Gets literally the best player in the NFL at that. Right production-wise. They think about that. They didn't get like a solid player. They got a guy who is elite in a certain category that was a big need. So when I look at it like that as long winded answer, I think it's a totally unacceptable trait. It's a little rich. I guess I would say for my taste. I if this is a two thousand nineteen fourth. I think it's kind of like a an amazing traded. Great trade. Perfect trade in the third round. It makes it sting a little bit of the fact that you could potentially get that common story pick back, you know, or not really back. But you know, you get something back on the it's not like pennies on the dollar. It's probably like two hoarders on the dollar. Maybe depending what kinda comp pick you get back in twenty twenty if he signs the team next year, and then just like in a very basic like fan level. It's just fun like it. It's the team's going to be more fun now. And I'm all for that. Like, here's the thing. Like, I know we're we're always gonna break down. On moves here from like, you know, quote, unquote, objective standpoint, you know, and. You know, we get into the analysis of it. But sometimes you just want to be a fan, and you wanna have fun and gonna take makes this team more fun. And we're all going to have to watch this team for eight more games. So anything that makes them more fun. Maybe yes, there's going to be a cost of the future. You know, take my time and enjoy it right now. You know, I gotta say it didn't occur to me until just now. But you know, I'm a baseball guy as well. As being an eagles guy. And I host the hidden season podcast for the good fight. And you know, we were talking a lot during the trade deadline in baseball. When the Phillies were buyers, and they were in first place when they were buying different players. And you know, some of these guys that they were buying. I didn't know if they were really gonna make the difference or anything, but it was fun. Just like you said, it was fun to be a buyer at the trade deadline, if you're eagles fan like you said, you you should be allowed to delude yourselves a little bit you are the defending world champions. And you still have a lot of talent on this roster. A third to me is a lot. I was really hoping that it would be nothing. More than a fourth because I'm not convinced that this team can match up with the Rams or the saints or even the even the Vikings at this point given the way the Vikings beat the eagles earlier this year, but they this team is going to get some guys back, which we're going to talk about here in just a few minutes as well. I I will note the difference between third and fourth rounders. And in recent eagles draft is is pretty eye opening. I was I was looking this up because I thought initially it would be a fourth in looking at the past fourth round picks of onta- Maddocks from latte from this year. Looks to be a pretty good pick. But I- Josh sweat in the fourth round last year. Mac Collins and Donell pump Frey fourth round. They had no fourth round pick in two thousand sixteen or fifteen and two thousand fourteen they drafted Jaylen Watkins in the fourth round the in nineteen in two thousand thirteen drafted Matt Barkley in the fourth round Brandon boykin was in the fourth round in two thousand twelve he was a decent defensive player. But you know, not a star. Alex Henry and Casey Matthews in the fourth round in two thousand eleven. So again, these are not big name players. But when you look in the third round, you see you see some some better talent Curtis Marsh. Okay. No, not in two thousand eleven. But Kerry, I'm sorry. Nick foles, obviously in two thousand twelve we weird one. They're weird one the judge. Yeah. That one is kind of weird to judge me. Benny Benny Logan the next year in two thousand thirteen was a productive player for a few years. Joshua was trashed two thousand fourteen we'll just move on past that. But Jordan Hicks in two thousand fifteen is a star is a Malo again and up and down guy. But he's providing some good Artor Iranian started for you right now in the third round in two thousand sixteen Russell Douglas in two thousand seventeen can't get on the field. But has looked okay. When he's been out there this year, you know, I mean, so again, I think there's a little bit more value. When you're talking about that third round pick obviously years around higher. But even in recent eagles drafts you've got nothing from that fourth round pick, basically. Whereas the third round you've you've got a Super Bowl winning quarterback out of it and all pro caliber linebacker and some. Pretty good pieces. Yes. That's the the the I think the the difference right there. If it just been a fourth, I think who kind of would have been a no brainer. But it wasn't. And I think how rose when he said it very bluntly. It was like it just the price is what it was at a certain guy in like it's like either were getting this guy. And we're not or we're not. So hey, did Amari Cooper, screw up the Asia f? Yeah, you're right. I mean for for the whole league, I mean, maybe I'm not gonna say like the Cowboys were actually secret geniuses here. But it's like, maybe maybe that was the unintended consequence of trainings. Like that's dumb. You still hurt them more than us? But yeah, I get what you're saying. And give up something so much that like all we're just going to screw the whole trade market by giving up way too much mean that's still stupid because he gave up way too much. But it it. I think it definitely did. I mean, 'cause I think it just for trades. It didn't even happen. Like, you know, you look at like the Patrick Pete. Persson whole thing. Like how could the cardinals possibly trade Patrick Peterson for anything less than a first at that point? If Amari Cooper is getting lately like so it kinda did throw things at a whack, and it'd probably raised it. But I mean, even still you look at that. Even you bring up Amari Cooper. I mean. Would you rather give up a first for Amari Cooper, who you know, is obviously under contract for the rest of this year. Then he has that fifth year option next year, although it's at a high cap number. So you're you're n he's only twenty four. So, you know, he's young and he is upside in theory, but also he's just not as good of a player as golden tail for immediate value. I mean, and look at the fact that eagles only the a third, and, you know, they're going to get a compensator, Tori, pick back that you that's another again part of the equation there where the Cowboys aren't because Hooper's on his fifth year option here. So right, right. Right. So and they're probably gonna try to I would imagine to sign him long term. You know? So I think you put it in perspective. Then you also look again at the the Damaris Thomas trade, which is a like a fourth and swap seven. So I believe and again, if if I'm the I'd rather have golden Tate for third. Yeah. Then Damaris contracts or Demetrios Thomas's muffle contract and the ability. He. He rings, which I don't even know what really it is at this point. When especially when you're like all Sean don't need that. So I'm I'm excited legitimately excited to watch golden Tate. I have a alliance fan friend. So I kind of probably a little bit more tuned into the lions than your average eagles fan when say expert on him. But you know, I have a little bit more of an eye on them because of that. So and I know he's made some big plays. And I love I love that. You know, he against the Cowboys this year earlier this season he had a big huge game against them. And the way he's I think he'll fans are really gonna love him. Just the might you might even only be these eight games, but just like the swagger he plays with you know, you again you look at that Cowboys game. He's like taunting Cowboys players as of the end zone. It's great. I if he does that here, and let me tell you. He will awesome. I saw him. This really looking forward to that. I think you know, you don't want to base your the whole. Entire trade around it. But when you look at the bonus factors like he's gonna be. I think a great addition for this locker room, that's a nice little bonus too. So very very impressive. His first press conference and everything I'm just I'm really looking forward to watch him play of the locker room was really important last year too. So it's great to get a guy who can add to the locker room as opposed to, you know, they'd gone out and gotten shady McCoy or somebody like that or, you know, even who knows it might not have been as good a fit. So I'm excited about it. And I I kind of wonder what this means for the the the snap count moving forward. I mean, this is a team that played a lot of two tight end sets here through the first half of the season. Do you think we're gonna see more three wide receiver sets now moving forward? Or is it going to be some combination of empty backfield to tight end three wide receiver? I mean, obviously this gives Doug Peterson. And this would move would not have been made if Doug Peterson. I don't think had an idea how he was going to be able to use Tate and coordination with all of his other players. But what do you think this means for player usage for the? For the second half of the season. What we know Doug Peterson does love his eleven personnel. The heat of the best teams things last year in running out of three wide receiver sets, you know, spread it out and then run. So that's certainly something. They might be a little bit more. Now with that. I think overall I mean, obviously, all Sean is going to be impacted. The big thing is Nelson Lee. How has Nelson Ag lors role going? Yeah. Hanes not only in distance of the playing time but usage like are we going to see him more outside? Maybe we should because he hasn't really done much at the line of scrimmage this year. You know in the eagles are trying to get to the ball to him there and make guys miss. He just hasn't been that kind of guy hasn't had that great of year. Meanwhile, when we've seen him get deeper down the field on some of these opportunities. I mean, we saw against the Jaguars you in this this past week and those great to see can ask you a little bit more effective in that way. So that'll be interesting. I mean, I it certainly pushes. Jordan Mathews down the depth chart after him having the the best game of his season in one of the better games in his career. Honestly, so far, and then it's interesting too because I don't know for sure and we'll touch on this little bit more. If Mike Wallace comes back, but then you have to consider how that plays into things too. But for now, I mean as simple as you're you're getting an offensive weapon, and I'm very confident in Doug Peterson since ability to incorporate him here, and it should be fun because just to end very important to in talking about you know, what are some of the biggest concerns with this team still going into the second half. Again, like lane Johnson could be out for a month apparently with this. What was being called against an MC L tear sprain? Whatever it is some kind of new. So that'll be concerning. The eagles protection in theory will be much be you know, a concern. So to have a guy. Who you can get the ball to out quick. And then have him make plays as opposed to. Okay. Let's you know, drop Carson back and have them hold onto the ball. And and hope someone can get open deep in. Now, you can you can still go with this quick passing offense and still hope to generate some big plays out of it. So I do think we're gonna see you traded for golden Tate. So you'd better use them a lot. We're going to see a lot of eleven I think we're just going to see I think anything's gonna see a lot of targets to because he should again traded firm. Get some use out of. Yeah. And I think that obviously that means maybe a little bit less Dallas Goddard, but certainly got Tate you wanna use them anymore. Only having for eight games. Because like you said he is a free agent at the end of the year. They do have Nelson Aguilar on that fifth year contract. But they could as you've heard Ben and Mike talk about on their podcast as well. They they could let Nelson go and design trying keep golden Tate. But you know, obviously, you're going to have to see how this all plays out here over the over the next few. Weeks weather or not Tate is a fit. I mean, it's it sure seems like he's going to be a fit. And I you know, we knew that the team where we at least we suspected after the win against the Jaguars on Sunday that Howie Roseman was going to make some kind of a move. It was just a matter of what he get himself a running back what he try and gets himself some help on the defensive line may be in the secondary or wide receiver. He went with wide receiver be Eljay. But no help was added at the running back position. So it looks like for the remainder of the year. We're going with Corey Clement who has underwhelmed here this year again playing with some injuries when Dell small would who is extremely limited in his effectiveness in his ability and Josh Adams. He's a guy who showed some ability last week against Jacksonville. But again is is unproven. So you know, it's it's a backfield that could have used some help. I guess the thinking here is we're just gonna pass all the time. And we're not really going to focus on the run game as much I I hope people. Remember how? How many big plays the running game ripped off last year? How many long runs Jay Ajayi had even even Lagarde blunt had some big running plays during the course of the season last year. Some of those big plays last year came from running backs running the ball out of the backfield clearly something's up there. And Corey is he's averaging one point zero yards per carry in his last twelve attempts as well rushing attempts in the last two games for for twelve yards. I mean, that's not very good. And it's not just the offensive line. Because when you look at the other players, like when they'll smaller isn't producing awesome. But he's at least three yards per carry. And he's had some important runs. Like he did to ice the game against the Jaguars on that second and nine way runs for ten yards. And that was just, you know, really good play by him to to fight do contact and get that first down and then again, Josh Adams undrafted rookie free agent. I mean, he's coming out and he's been the most efficient runner on this team has two games and as a small sample size any of that fumble. And he's kind of. Limited in his usage because it's not like you're going to put him out there and the defenses I go, man. Are they going to throw it a Josh Adams? I mean they did last week getting a six yard game. But you know, it's not going to be like the us is not like they're going to give Josh Adams like five targets in the passing game in a single game. So it's interesting because we had heard the eagles. You know, we're looking into running backs and not just Livia Mbale and the Shawn McCoy some names behind the scenes as well. So it's definitely a position they were looking into with Clement being disappointing. I mean, you have to all right. I mean, like, I don't I I hope he's hurt basically. Because if if this is who he is. And that's a big concern. And I'm holding a hope that you know, it's not the case. But it's just it's not really encouraging right now, I'm still not a big window Smallwood believer. I don't know how you can be these been fine. It's just like you're not gonna get anything special out of him just in my opinion. And again, he's only averaging like three yards per carry here in these. Two games. You're is just not and more than that. It's just again like the thing that gets me with him is you'll see these big holes open up for him at times. And he just turns twenty are gains until like five yard gains. It's just it's frustrating. You're not getting that big play with him. So why he's he's a fifth round pick for this guy. He's funny. He's not like I'm not saying he sucks, but like he's just he's fine. He is what he is. He is not a needle mover by any means and to count on him more than that the frustrates me. Like, he just he is what he is. Let's call it like it is and Josh Adams. I mean, I don't think you know. I think I kind of joke when I say he's running back one. But I mean, if he's going to produce like this get him some carries against the giants a couple of weeks ago. He didn't play at all. Let's not do that. If he's going to be productive get him in there. And let's see if he can continue to do that. I mean, the the biggest X factor. I guess years, obviously, you know, how does Darren sproles impacting. Is he going to get? I forgot all about exactly's and added. Since week one. I had kind of seen it floated out there. I don't remember who said this. But they were the kind of feel like they've been holding him out intentionally thinking like, hey, let's not rush him back. Let's legitimately get him back healthy. A let's not let's not force them to come back and work through this hamstring issue. And then he's you know, he's trying to play on a bad hamstring in these out for the year. Like, let's try to get it. Right. And hopefully, I guess he can potentially be ready after this by week. And that would be a big boost. I think to the backfield, I know John you, and I have talked about it. How people kinda like all the offense has better without him. I mean, not really not to me. I mean, I I don't see that's not the case. I'd rather him get some more touches than you know, give him to Corey Clement is not doing anything right now or or Wendell swallowed is still isn't super impressive. So if you get him back, you know, NF, he can I it doesn't even need to be like, you know, vintage Darren sproles he can just be like give you some some juicier in there. And we saw that against the falcons. In week one where one of the more I think underrated plays of the season lay in that game. When follows through the short of the sticks, and he made a couple of guys missed and got a key first down like that's all we need out of him. Yeah. Now absolately and hopefully this hamstring will get better. And now with the by week he's had two full, you know, another extra week to recover awfully this is just kind of what they were waiting for. But we'll wait and see how that all shakes out. Let's just talk about a couple of other teams here at the trade deadline. We saw the Redskins get an already good defense. They got another weapon. Ha ha Clinton Dix to play safety for them. Obviously the eagles were kind of sniffing around the secondary market. But the Redskins went out and ended up getting ha ha Clinton Dix was for a fourth or I think it was or. Yeah. Fourth-rounder for Clinton Dix. You know, it's kind of interesting. I have kind of the d the defense points wise has been doing a pretty good job this year. It's when they've been giving up points that has been the big. Problem for this team. And in sports, I know that you look at the you look at the final stats, and you say, well, the numbers are with the numbers are. But really how you go about accumulating stats are sometimes as important as the stats themselves. And so I was just thinking would you rather have strengthened your secondary, especially the safety position with a guy like ha ha Clinton Dix Frei fourth-rounder would that have been more beneficial to the team than improving with golden Tate at wide receiver for a third rounder? I'm not so sure I wouldn't have rather had Clinton Dix for a fourth rounder. But you know, it's probably six one half dozen in the other. It's definitely a trade that interests me if if the account given up before for ha ha now, Tom tough, let's be real are these I'll be real like I haven't seen how hot Clinton Dix play a ton this year. I can't do. But from what I can tell and they're kind of a disagreement here. I mean like. PF apparently has them as their second greatest safety. So that's good. I guess, but then you look at Packers beat writers. And they're like, no, he's actually been pretty bad this year, and you know, he's made some place. Yeah. But he's also blown assignments. And it's been really bad and some regard. So that's kind of interesting to see and we'll see how that goes. It's interesting because the eagles were interested in ha Clinton Dix back in two thousand fourteen the Marcus Smith draft he was one of those. I think it was six players that they wanted like it was how how Clinton Dix it was CJ Moseley. It was Kyle fuller. It was Oto Beckham junior. I forget a couple of the other names in there. But it was like a group of guys that they wanted at pick. I think what were they had like twenty one or twenty two that year, and then they were all gone. Ha specifically went picker to for the eagles got a chance to draft him. There like Brennan kooks was in there to the Packers had I think traded up for him. So use we're interested in back, then so I don't, you know, I don't know if that was chip because he was still around on that was Howie. So you would think you know, my point there is that you would think they might have made a move for him. If that was the case, and if they were still super high in them, and they knew they could get him for fourth. But I just think it really says I think it speaks for their confidence in Avantis Matic's. I think the coaching staff has clearly praised him time and time again, and it's not empty words. They they truly believe in him. And I think that's good and look Fonte Matic's made arguably, you know, one of the biggest plays of the season when he. Yeah. Tackled. Keelan coal did a great job of putting getting low getting putting his helmet on the ball enforcing that thing out. I mean that set up that was huge because that's the Dallas. Yeah. Another rookie from the two thousand eight Jeff last mcgavin each play. And that really like that the game was almost kind of like, you know, I wanna say it was one, but it was shifted right? There was huge. So I think they they really like him. And you know, they they have some issues and injuries in the secondary again as we'll get to here. But I'm not gonna like totally kick myself for that. But it is kind of it was a little frustrating to see that to be honest because it's like, okay, we get this. All right. We got going Tate. And then like, I'm in Washington got a little better too at the deadline, and they're obviously already had of the eagles in the standings. So that was a little bit annoying to see what kind of interesting how all four NFC east teams made a trade, you know, with the giants selling off ally, apple and Damon Harrison. And then you know, the Cowboys giving the first two still very dump amaze euchre and then heels making their move wash Washington making their move. So there's there's an NFC east arms race here. And obviously the giants a little bit different. Because they're in cellars moat yet. One team is Lou. Using arms. The other teams are trying to get some more weight on. Yeah, absolutely end. I want to talk about the Browns real quick at the a little bit later on in the podcast, but the Browns had an interesting week as well. But when we were just talking about the secondary little bit. Let's just talk about kind of where the eagles stand on the injury front because we're in the by week. We're not getting the practice. You know, who's who's been in practice who hasn't been in practice this week because the players have the week off. So we're not really getting regular updates on the status of certain players. But we did find out Jalen mills could be out for potentially. If you games with an injured ankle. And you know, it's I think assault tonight that he's walking around in a walking boot or something like that with a low. Yeah, I forget who tweeted that out of the series at the Sixers team. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Somebody tweeted out that they saw him in a walking boot kind of limping around. So who knows I mean that just could be, you know, Twitter reporters, but at the very least it certainly doesn't sound like mills is, you know. You know, ready to jump back into the fray who knows what it'll be like in time for the Cowboys game in a couple of weeks. But it's looking like they could be without Jalen mills for a little while which again, you're dealing with the secondary here where you're already trying to figure out how to deal with a bunch of injuries. You've got Sidney Jones who has missed the last couple of games. Do you know where to where things stand here with the secondary with mills and Sidney Jones and the rest of the puzzle they're trying to put together? Yeah. I mean, Ian Rapoport had said that Jill mills is considered week to week from what he heard in any way to take that with a grain of salt because injury reporting has kind of been in this reporting in general, and I'm not trying to pick on Ian here. I'm just like calling for what it is like some of it's just been wrong. So we'll see I think, you know, for hearing that specific designation week-to-week, you know, is vague. But he probably heard that, you know, like, we know the eagles coaching staff, especially Doug used likes to use that term. So I'm assuming he had heard that. From you know, eagles internal sources. And if that's the case that miss that means jail mills it's going to miss at least one game. Because that's usually what that week to week designation means that usually means multiple games. So if that's the case that means, I assume result Douglas will be starting on the outside. But you have to consider what Sidney Jones is able to come back right after the by which I don't know for sure we don't have a good indication on that. Because he was also described as week to week back when he first got hurt after the giants game. So Sidney Jones might not be ready. But if he is it'll be interesting because maybe it's him on the outside in base defense. And then you're shifting him into nickel as the flat corner. And then you gotta have result come into play the outside in those situations. So I'll be I'll be really interested to see what that configuration looks up. Our looks like because if you don't get Sydney twins back, then all of a sudden, you have Dexter McDougall who look. Looks like a guy who has signed off the street playing nickel. Is your slack Horner? You have a rookie safety, you know, who an amount Matic's who's playing out of position on the back end. Then universal Douglas your backup Cornerbacks starting on the outside. All of a sudden, so. Not the best potential configuration you could have their. So hopefully, the big thing is there if Sydney can come back, though, it'd be the be pretty important for that that lineup there. It sounds like, you know, mills will be back at some point doesn't sound like it season ending clearly it's week wing. But we shall see here. The the you'll certainly have more configuration and lineup things to work through their absolutely. And one name one name that we heard kinda get floated around this week by Howard Eskin when the team traded for Tate, they waived defensive tackle Bruce sector, which you know, if you're looking at the roster and they release it defensive tackle. He mentioned the fact that maybe we could be nearing a return from TIMMY Jernigan at some point this year. What are you thinking about? I mean, it didn't it kind of felt like Jernigan what turnings was basically kind of persona non grata for this year. And you know that. But now I starting to be a little bit of a a groundswell that maybe we might see him again here in two thousand eighteen I mean, it's pretty interesting that Howard Eskin would say there's a good chance. Psych an. Yeah. That's pretty strong. Yes wrong. It's not like, oh, maybe he'll be back. He did say it was a quote unquote possibility. So he kinda feel he heads the little at the end there. But I mean, that'd be huge Tim journey him back on this team. That'd be a pretty big deal. So I I sure hope it's true. But it's hard for me to count on it just because everything we've heard behind the scenes hasn't been very optimistic. I mean, he's been at practice not practicing, but he's been out there. So, you know, maybe that's a good sign. I don't know. It's very hard to tell all this Tim during in situations kind of been really big mystery. I mean, honestly, we don't even know how yet got hurt. This whole thing has been like a big kinda. And I've always said like e kinda almost have to treat it like like money in your pocket. Like, you know, don't expect it to be there. If you get great awesome. What a good surprise. But I just don't think you you'll be able to count on it. The only thing I can go back to the only time line. We got was when he first gotten hurt and Schefter had said, I think four to six months, and that was back around may. So we're nowhere nuts about six months right in November. Now, maybe we are approaching that point that would be huge. The only thing a little skeptical of here is that when you're on NF, I wake he is. You're eligible to start practicing in week seven as soon as we seven that doesn't mean you have to start practicing then, but you get this twenty one day window where a player can start practicing. And then at any point within that window, you can activate them. Or if the window expires you shut him down for the season. So that window hasn't started. You know, clearly 'cause Jernigan hasn't returned to practice. So it'd be kinda weird to me. If all the sudden like. All right. He's back right before the Cowboys game. Like, I don't I don't I just be very surprised if that was the case, but maybe potentially he returns to practice leading the Cowboys game, which then means he would have a couple of weeks to kind of get back in gear up and get into shape at little bit here before maybe returning later November. I think that's like to me. That's that is the realistic best outcome. But like if you could get him back Bahij because right now this roster this defensive line the only defensive tackles on the roster right now are Fletcher Cox. Hello de NADA who came back which is good to see the Jaguars and then Trayvon Hester. And then I'm sure they'll try to bring Bruce Hector back to the practice squad. Miss of Winston Craig on the practice squad. So they've guys down the line there. But you know, you lost Derek net than the way I think one of the under reported or things we're not really talking about doubts a lot coming out of that game is the ios didn't really move. Josh wet up the pecking order, he's still only played force defensive snaps. So what that means excuse me. I'm losing my voice to oh. My dad they just played everyone else. More like Chris long, Michael Bennet, Brandon Graham, they also more workloads, and that's concerning because they're older players. And this the straits of this defensive line in part is supposed to be they can rotate these guys and have them be fresh that wasn't the case against the Jaguars. They kind of just gave every all the vets more playing time if you can get TIMMY Jernigan in here, all of a sudden that kind of takes the burden off of you know, guys like, Michael Bennett and Brenna Graham having to play in the interior. So it would be an and just the fact that Jernigan assuming even he's the same player after this injury, which we don't know for sure. But if he can come back, and he could be a guy who pushes the pocket from the interior. I mean, that's that's awesome to have that to have him to have Fletcher Cox in their McRae's in creating problems for the other offense like that like that would be huge. Again, I'm not like I wouldn't say count on it. But the fact that there is some kind of some kind of optimism or it's being talked about, you know, I think it is fair to get like a little bit hopeful about it. Yeah. The fact that it's not that it's a non zero chance I think definitely leads one to be a little bit optimistic about it. But again, certainly nothing you can count on. And last thing on the injury front. We're coming up on the time. When the eagles off to make a decision on their guys who are on injured reserve whether or not to they can activate any two of those players and right now, it's looking like the first two they'll have make have to make a decision on his tight end Richard Rogers in a wide receiver Matt Collins on a little bit after that Mike Wallace. So basically two of those three guys the eagles could pull off because any player on. I are starting in week nine wouldn't be able to play again in the regular season with the addition of golden Tate, one would think that one of those wide receivers either Holland's. Or Mike Wallace might be in some trouble. Although I could also envision a scenario B L G wear if you're gonna play a lot more three wides. Maybe you don't need three tight ends. And so do you end up looking at which guy will work better for you on special teams and making your selection that way yet it's an interesting decision. So before we get even into like who they're gonna activate. As far as eligibility goes, MAC Collins, and Richard Rogers are going to be there. Eligible to come off. Like right now, like they've missed the eight games that have been required for them to come off the I R list. So if the eagles wanted to they could activate them leading up to this Cowboys game here a little bit of an interesting thing that I guess I forgot about was that these players can actually return to practice six weeks after so after six games. So we haven't seen that quite yet. But at the same time, if they do that you like if once they returned to practice that mean, do designated them to return, you can't an practices then like, they're not like, that's what you're making the decision of the point. So I think the eagles are kind of like holding off on here because I don't think they want to commit to early right? 'cause like what if God forbid, you know, a tight end suffers an injury. Then all of a sudden you're going to need to activate Richard Rodgers. But right may be you know, if it's everything's looking fine. They're and they're not looking as good. Receiver than you, activate McCollum. So I think they're kind of like holding on pretty much into the last possible moment they can to activate that. And I think that's a good. Yeah. That's fine. But so it's those two guys who are eligible to be activated this week. And we did hear Doug Peterson mentioned. I think he mentioned Richard Rodgers. I actually when he was asked about these players ready to return, and then he mentioned MAC, and then he he said Mike Wallace is a little bit further off. I don't know if that meant in terms of his actual injury recovery. Or also just the fact that he got hurt after those guys, but it was only like a week after he only got hurt in the week two game. Right. I think he's eligible to come back after week ten in the case. So that's still he's still a little bit away here, but he's should be eligible to practice now. Because he's missed six games. So we'll see he intentionally he could be back if he's healthy enough, which I don't know. But he could be in theory, if they want to designate him, and they've kind of talked about that coaching staff has been. And we've seen that reports to the team is kind of optimistic about Mike Wallace and even with getting Tate. I don't think that necessarily rules him out because like you still need that vertical guy and take you know, that guy and Mike Wallace's. So I think you can still kinda we'll see on that one. We don't know for sure. But the fact that it sounds like they're gonna get two of those three guys back for sure is still a good sign because even if it's not Wallace. And it's MAC Holland's. I mean, MAC has some deep playability and like you said he helps out in special teams. I mean, I know that's not like the most exciting thing. But it's true. So support it's a nice little bonus. So we'll see here. I still don't know for sure I don't really have a great sense right now. But I think those those three guys are clearly the options, I think after the bye here should have a better idea of where those things STAN I well, let's let's kind of move on. Now, we're midseason. Let's one of the fun things to always give a mid season report card, and we'll kind of will knock these out quickly here. B L. Jake's want to get to the NFC east schedules. Looking ahead kind. See maybe you as the easiest who has the rough schedule moving forward in the NFC east, and we'll give you some pics. I have a five games that I pulled out. So we'll we'll do that. But let's just let's just knock out some grades here for for the eagles here through the first half of the season. And I when we gotta talk about his Carson Wentz, you know. His accuracy is the best. It's ever been. He's on pace for thirty touchdowns at five interceptions this year. He missed the first couple of games of the season because of the injury, but has come back looking like the type of quarterback, we were hoping we would see, you know, you're kinda hoping last year wasn't a fluke to me. I I don't think I don't see any other great for Carson Wentz. That makes sense anything else other than I would say give him a b plus at this point. The only reason why he's not an eight territories. Because of the fumbles what do you think I would give him an a just because I get the fumbles and you look at those and that's frustrating. But you just look at it supporting cast, and the fact that he's also coming off in a C L injury. And for him to look as good as he does. Despite all that to me that. Oh, yeah. That's what bumps it up because I don't think that gets talked about enough. Like he like, we're we're comparing all these guys like Patrick Mahomes in Jared Goff and all these young quarterbacks. Like those guys are in great situations. They have a ton of offense gosh. And for Carson to be in the mix with those guys despite you know, some of the adversity he's had to deal with. And again, those guys aren't coming off ACL injuries either. So to me, it's an a out and say eight minus for Carson. But I was like, you know, what? No. Because Carson Wentz is the second quarterback in NFL history with at least thirty pass attempts and a passer rating of at least one hundred fifteen for consecutive games, and the other one is Peyton Manning in two thousand twelve so you look a lot of these numbers in the context that he's in. I think he's been very impressive. And I'm gonna give Carson in a all, right? Let's look at the running backs, obviously, we're not going to great each running back. Let's talk about the running back unit as a whole obviously injuries have decimated this unit. Jay Ajayi who was lost early in the season. And when he was healthy he was. Running. Well. But now you've likely said got the the triumphant of Josh Adams, Wendell Smallwood, and and Corey Clement who have really had a hard time getting the running game going. You know, this is not as talented a group as we had last year. But they haven't killed the team. But they also haven't really done a whole lot to help. I'm going to give the running backs to C. Plus. Yeah, I'm I think I'm gonna go to straight. I'm go see minus just because know court Clement has not been, you know, very good at all. While swallowed his these fine. He's he's definitely excelled relative expectations. But I mean there were so low on the we. Yeah. Right. Wouldn't even think he was going to make the team for sure I mean, he was battling for the fourth running back spot. So it's just not saying, much and dot Adams has shown some promise here. But it's too. It's really too small sample size for me to give a high grades based off of that. And then Darren sproles injury there and again that day John injury kind of just being disappointing on surly their faults. But overall just haven't been super. Impressed. So I'll say C minus. I'll let you start off on the wide receivers. All righty. So what do we have here? We have a wide receiver core. That was looking terrible at the beginning of the year here when you're playing Kamar can like almost the whole game injuries were tough there. But look all Shawn's come back. He's looked even better than last year, which has been great to see. Unfortunately, nothing Adler has not look very good. You can kind of question usage. Versus is him to me. That's more. What it is with him. Just to kind of interrupt you for a second. You know? I I see you know, they have been trying to use him to help out the running game or at least to provide deception for the running game with all of the jet sweeps that they're running with him. I mean, it I know it doesn't I know they're not actually running him every other play on a jet sweep. But it almost feels that way the amount that they're doing it. So I think that's part of it is he's just he's not going down. He's he's playing horizontal. Yeah. You know? And I don't think that's him at it's too much horizontal. You can't get into a flow that way, I think a little bit him. Just because when you look at how bad the numbers are gonna have to give some of it to the player. Oh, absolutely. And I I don't think he's been as loose of. Maybe I don't know. But I think that's true. But yeah, I think I think he can go on both sides. So you look at them. Jordan Mathews has come in here and been pretty good for what you probably like realistically would've expected. I don't you know, I still don't think he's this great player. But I think he relative expectation. He's performed pretty fine. Pretty well. Certainly better than like, you know, if you had kept Kamari can around. So that's good Shelton. Gibson has been a huge disappointment. The fact that this team needs big plays. And he can't even get on the field is like I mean, I don't even it's a point where you can't even fully blame the coaching staff because you have to feel like he is just not doing something. That's giving them the confidence to put him out there. So that's very disappointing. So overall, I look at this group, I probably say. Maybe C plus just because I really like what all Sean has done. And I feel good about that. But you know, if I'm adding the golden Tate trade, and I it's not it's not what we're doing here. 'cause we're doing report card of projecting the future. I mean, I'm willing to bump that up till like a B position getting Tate. I think that makes this difference. But for what we've seen now, I'm just gonna say C, plus. Yeah, I think that I think the future is definitely brighter for the rest of the season with the wide receiver core. But alshon Jeffery gets an a plus, obviously. So that will bring up the overall grade, but I'm gonna go with the C for the wide receivers for a lot of the reasons that you just mentioned right Biaggi offensive line offense of line. You know, been a tough year in terms of Jason Peters constantly in. Now. The lineup lane Johnson now is being up. You had a left guard who got Ben st- couple games into the season with wiz new ski out of the lineup and now back in but at times with Isaac Somali having to shift out to tackle Jason. Chelsea has been awesome. Arguably still the best center in the game. Despite the fact, he's clearly dealing with some kind of groin issue. Brandon Brooks has been solid as ever. Peter's isn't what it used to be. But I still think he is clearly a at least scenarios starter. I would say even though summit not feel that way lanes been relatively disappointing. Not a total disaster. I think you know, the strips asked to make it look a little worse than it's been. He was still playing in a very high level overall. And the fact that you know, he had that high high ankle sprain on the short week against the giants knee, and he tough that out. And he did it again on the panther's game. I gotta give him some credit for that. So overall, I guess I'm going to say b minus for that unit because it hasn't been great. But I don't think it's been downright terrible. And I think honestly after watching rewatching the Jags game a little bit. I I was talking to this about to kiss on the post game shows like it wasn't me too often to line feel like they were getting some good movement in that game. And they were against a tough Jaguars front in playing with guys out of position and the line shifting all around. So overall, not great, and maybe it's a little high. But also be minus. Yeah, I'll go a little lower. But I'll say C, plus I'm kind of in the same area as you are. I think we expect a little more from Jason Peters. Although maybe our expectations were a little bit too high for a guy who is getting much older, and obviously dealing with the injuries that an older player would have to deal with a man that guy's a warrior just gotten it out every week and same with lane Johnson who again dealing with a lot of injuries. But he. Hasn't performed quite as well. Lot of that is probably due to the injuries. And Jason Kelsey PF has him as the number one center in football so far this year. So yeah, I think they've done a good job in in the run game at times, but not all the time. It's just been inconsistent. So that's why I'm going plus with the offensive line and just has not been the unit that it was last year. Even though you return, basically the entire offensive line. I'll let's flip the script. Let's go over on the defensive side. And obviously one of the strengths of this team be l g the defensive line. What's what is what is your grade for this unit? It's tough Brandon Graham has been coming back working off that injury. He still is ranks high in the league in terms of pressures. But you're you know, we're not seeing that necessarily manifest in the form of sacks, which is always important Fletcher. Cox's been a beast in animal probably one of the best seasons. Arguably he's ever had. He's been awesome. That's great. You getting nothing else of the fence. Tackle position, which is a huge, you know, Mark against them in that regard. It's been a tough defensive line situation. You know, obviously, you're you've been missing Derek Barnett is out for the season. Now that kind of affects the rotation again brand Brennan Graham was late dirt, you know, to come back into the offseason here as he had that ankle surgery. Chris long of been relatively quiet. I think like not he has been not like he's terrible. Now, he sucks, but just like, you're not. But again, it's it's tough though because he has to play more now. So it's kind of just a tough situation. I think Michael Bennett has been really good. So I can't give this unit less than a C. Just because I think he's been so good and Fletcher Cox's been so good. But I guess I'm kind of just going, man. I guess I'm just going like be straight up be here. I don't think they've been the total difference makers that they need to be in. It's been tough for them. It's tough degrade them. Because I think quarterbacks are just getting the ball out so quick against them. And I think that kinda should be. A, you know, a notch in their favor there clearly effecting the other offenses by that token, so they should get some credit for that. But I guess we just haven't seen the dominating pressure. Like the dominating defensive line that we were used to seeing last year. And again, the fact that you're just getting literally nothing at defensive tackle had a Fletcher Cox's kind of disappointing. So maybe I'm being tough grader here. But I guess I'll just say be not I'm gonna go even tougher. I'm gonna say be mine is because I do think that we have seen especially in the fourth quarter in games. We've seen the pass rush disappear at times and at the worst time when you need pressure on the quarterback the most we've seen teams have way too much time to throw in the pocket. You know, we saw it in again ten against Tennessee. We saw it against Carolina is just at the defensive line has not been getting there as as consistently as they should late which is again part of the reason is getting the ball out quickly. As you mentioned the eagles playing softer coverage, and you know, making it easier. For quarterbacks to get the ball out. But also when you're using a rotation like the eagles have likey granite, the defensive tackle position does not have a whole lot there. So you're not rotating a lot of guys in their Fletcher. Cox's just having to play all the time. But in the fourth quarter. That's when your defensive line should be eating a lot more than it has been so going to just dig him just a little bit less. I'll start off with the linebackers here. And you know, I think we've seen from Jordan Hicks over the last three weeks. I think he's been much more active, but I will say to that I know teams play more nickel now than they ever have before the but the eagles just the linebacking core is invisible. A lot of weeks be Eljay. We talk a lot about the defensive line. And we talk a lot about the secondary. But we never say anything about the linebackers because because they do play in a lot of nickel. And I realized that, but I just you know, aside from the occasional Jordan Hicks play. There's just not a lot happening from the linebacker core. And we saw what a guy like Leuke can do how much he can disrupt the game in the eagles. Obviously don't have anything like Leuke Klay. That's just not. That's just not a position may never. Yeah. Right. Exactly. But the eagles have also never been a team. That's put a lot of emphasis on the linebacker position. They focus on the defensive line. And you know, on a set one on a secondary that you basically hope the defensive line is not having to force your secondary into doing a whole lot. So I'm gonna give the line backing blind back in chorus e plus here, just because I think they've been largely invisible here in two thousand eighteen what about you? I don't think that's necessarily the worst thing because it's not like, you know there. Oh, man. They just they can't cover anyone and we're seeing them yet burned over and over, and they would be much further from invisible in that sense. But I get what you're saying. I don't think they've been anything like super exciting to write home about Hicks that really big play in week six to you know, to force the interception early in the giants game truly set the tone for that one. So that you that was a big play. He was also pretty good week one too. I remember, you know, obviously sacking at Ryan. So he's had some moments. He had a couple of Saxon this past. Game. He also gave up that big play later in the game on it was like pick play kind of tough spot there. But I can't say they've been terrible. But I also can't say them in great. So I was thinking like B B minus C, plus like, I'm in that range with you. Okay. Secondary real quick legis. What do you say about the secondary? I mean as man that listen, this is a Di unit right now. I mean, just they don't have. They don't have the talent. I mean, that's clear. They don't have talent back there. I I don't know that the scheme has helped them out at a lot especially late in games, but I have zero confidence in the secondary. And a lot of it is injury related, but you know, they're not making they're not getting turnovers either be algae and some of that's luck. But some of it is they're just not making plays on the ball. They're not they're not getting their hands on the ball. They're not getting interceptions in the defensive line has been doing a good enough job. Or at least in the first three quarters of games to tell allow the secondary to kind of make some plays. But it's been an unimpressive unit. I gotta give the secondary de the I think I'll go deep plus just because you know, Dale knows how to get a against the coats like the secondary has had moments. I think round Darby overall on the whole is actually having a no k here. I think he's had some he has had some good moments as well Malcolm Jenkins was huge in that titans game. He was I mean if they won that game. I think that game would be like, wow, look how dominant like Malcolm Jenkins was it's kind of the same. They wasted his performance there because he was so clutch. And he was a big reason they were even in that game late. So there's been moments. I don't wanna say like it's just been like a disaster. And they've never looked good at all. And the fact that you're getting like competent play at Montana ISIS impressive, and Ronnie McLeod, and we got hurt what leak three. So it didn't play very much. But he was hoping you'd having a really good season. I thought using the cloud with such a killer. I mean that just really submarine everything. So I can't say like Kinko f for de minus. I'll go deep plus all right. That's fair. And let's real quick. Let's do Doug. And and Schwarzer we'll start off with Schwartz. What what is your grade for the eagles defensive coordinator hot? It's tough because it's such a nuance conversation to talk about this eagles defense because I mean, you know, pro football focus comes out, and it's like, oh, they're they're the fourth best defense. And it's like at doesn't. Feel right because you look at how they've given up some big leads here in these games. And you know, you can't be like, oh, yeah. This is definitely the fourth. This defense is great. They're awesome. But when you look at the context of the league, I mean, they're they're not a terrible defense in that sense. And even I think Devi away they're like sixteenth. So there, you know, middle of the pack. They're not not flat out bad defense. But I also don't think they're I don't think they're a top five unit. I don't think they're that. Good. I don't think they're an elite defense by any means. So it's tough. I just feel like overall the discussion on him gets a little too. It gets a little too harsh. I guess seeing is sometimes people all firearm. Now, like, I people realize that again like that defense for this clearly not easy to play in the NFL, especially like how the game has gone. And when you look at Jim Schwartz's past thing five seasons strictly as defensive coordinator not talking about as head coach to strictly as defensive coordinator says top seven unit all those five years. So like, how can you just be like, oh, this guy sucks? I know you get frustrated at the lack of blitzing or whatever. But like the results are there to to a large part. So I can't say he's been horrible at the same time. I don't think like how many games have we seen here were were Jim Schwartz is just totally out scheming the other offense. You know, like oh man now towards just has he's in their heads. You know, like, he he we haven't seen that. So I can't say he's been this master coach. I guess I feel like for him a C pluses fair. Yeah. I think that's fair to I I would say C, plus as Well, I I don't, you know, one of my criticisms of Jim Johnson back in the day was that they couldn't get pressure on a quarterback other than to you know, they blitzed too much. And so when teams would would be able to pick up their blitzes like going guy like they facing Peyton Manning when he'd see every blitz coming a mile away, the eagles defense would get torture. You've got the exact opposite. You've got a guy who won't plants only once they get pressure with the front four and a lot of times that burns him to Andries in the secondary of really hurt this team really hurt this defense, and it's affected. How Jim Johnson can scheme. I will say though that I don't know. I agree with you. I don't think he's been overly inventive in trying to figure out ways to be teams other than with the scheme. He's used his, oh, I think I'll go with you go with the c plus and real quick Doug Peterson head coach of your Philadelphia. Eagles four and four to the first half of the season. What's your grade for Doug? He's had a very interesting first half. I to be minus. I think it's offense hasn't been awesome. But is that really because of Doug? I don't think. So I don't think it's been just play calling year. I think it's I think playcalling especially in the Jaguars was actually looking better. And when you consider that the eagles got at least a thing that was three it was at least three chunks of thirty plus guard gains against the Jaguars defense that was allowing the fewest in the league. So very encouraging to see they're heading into the by. And the fact that you know, early in the season the eagles are working again without their top two running backs and Darren sproles JJ missing Mike Wallace, and all Sean, Jeffrey, and even mcallen's is out. So there without three of their top four wide. Receivers is obviously been some offensive line issues in here. You look at all those things you have a quarterback coming off in the ACL injury. There's there's certainly been moments where you've questioned would Doug is thinking the Tennessee came six out still where he is not he runs the ball late in the first half instead of taking the end zone. There's don't get me wrong. There's definitely been moments where. Doug hasn't been great here. But I think overall I still feel good about Doug. And I'm going to give him a b minus because I think it's kind of been a tough situation here. I still have a fairly good amount of confidence in him. Yeah. I'll go a little bit higher. I'll say a B for Doug. I I am. It is interesting. I think he hasn't been as aggressive as he was last year at certain times. But you know, again like you said personnel injuries. Play a big part of it. And I also think this offense has been forced to score on long fields all season long. The defense has not put them in positions to score easy. Quick touchdowns on short fields for much of the season two which happened a lot last year. And that's why the offense was able to do what it did. I I don't I don't know that they're scheming Nelson aga- lar- exactly the the best way. And obviously there is no way they were going to be able to maintain the third down conversion rate in the the red zone conversion rate they had last year. But it also has slipped a little bit more than I think I thought it would. So, but I think over. Doug has done a good job. And he I think he's you know, you look at some of that you look at Carson's numbers and alshon snappers in Zakar its's numbers. And you know, this is this is a unit that Ken scores points. And I think Doug has done an okay job there. As gave him a be as well. All right. Real quick. Let me just run down the NFC east schedules. Looking ahead here in the second half. The eagles will start off with the three and four Cowboys. Then they get the saints at six and one. Boy, that's that will be a tough one giants at one in seven after that. Then the Redskins at five and to the Cowboys at three and four the Rams, of course, undefeated right now at eight no they get a revitalised Texans team at five and three and then the Redskins at five and to be L G that's one two three four five of their final eight games against teams with a winning record. However, you compare that to Washington just one of their final eight games as against the team with a winning record. And that is the Texan who who they play in a couple of weeks. They have they get the Jaguars and the titans. Still end the buccaneers still in their schedule. And hey, listen, the eagles lost to the bucks in the titans. So we can't complain about schedules here. The the eagles blew their chances against those teams. And maybe Washington will do the same. And then finally looking at the Cowboys. They have the eagles. Falcons redskins. Saints eagles colts bucks and giants. So just two teams left on their schedule with a winning record the Redskins and the saints. Although hopefully by that time the eagles will of course, have a winning record as well. But definitely looking at that schedule. Washington seems to have the easiest road ahead. Although, you know, I'm not convinced Washington's gonna go, you know, what I am not convinced are gonna go six to five and three in the final eight. You know, I watched this team play almost every week beyond jacomb offense. Doesn't score the eagles offense. Not scoring. Washington's offense doesn't score here. They're not a juggernaut by any means amount. Alex Smith, again, he's he's he will raise their floor like we said going into this year. But he's he's also limits their ceiling like he's not he's not going to just turn into. MVP player down the stretch, right at least based on his career this far. It's not going to happen. And look this is not an easy straps at all for the here down here. But I mean five to say how many games they win out of these final eight year. I think I think they can win. I think they can win at least four the point here. Eight eight, but you know, they get Washington twice. So if you beat them twice that huge. Yeah. You might win. It hit the nine and seven might be enough. If you do that you have the head to head tiebreaker at that point. And that's that's big. So I I mean is very simple to say. But that's what it comes down to here. Like, you might even be able to lose these saints in Rams games. And that'll be fine. Like just take care of business in the division. And you know that Texans team comes in the town. I don't think they're what four or five game winning streak right now. Five game winning just like it's that's such a weird. They're not that good, man. They're they're they're playing better. But like that perplexes me there. This is not an I think they play a bad team this week. They could easily advanced six wins. So anyway in that game will be in Philly. So. A lot of worry there. Yeah. I think they can I think they can win five here. Maybe I think they I think this eagles team has the potential to sweep the division link. I know that's not Jimmy. But I think I just don't think anyone the east is that unbeatable. I the Washington game will be hardest to do that in clearly, but I think it's on the table. I don't think it's out of the question. Now, it's definitely on the table at this is not a strong division by any means. But and just another thing quickly. The good thing about where the eagles are. If you want to spend it this way is that if they make the playoffs they will have deserved it. And that's kind of cool. Yeah. It's not like they they can't back in the not gonna back into the playoffs. Like, if they do they make this thing they if because they're going to be playing well, and they will be a hot team. So that's something to look forward to going into the playoffs. It's not going to be like the playoffs all around. And like like it's even last year when they had a better record. It was like, oh man foles is not looking good. I don't know how I feel about this where. Wras like, you know, you go into this year if they're gonna make the playoffs summed it. Well, the goes through the so hot in the second half, and they're going into the postseason, and they're the team that no one wants to play. So you can kind of like that. Yep. You don't have to be the one seed necessarily getting that first round, by sure is nice. But you know, we've seen lots of teams win three playoff games to get to the Super Bowl. Real quick. Let's run down some NFL picks here to wrap things up. We'll start off with the two NFC east games because he had the giants on the by this week. Although, you know, really who cares about the giants point. But you've got Atlanta at Washington Washington is a one and a half point favorite against the falcons who do you like in that one, man? Be sucker and take it Lanta because I think the cold or the falcons are more desperate, you know, to stay alive in the in the NFC south. They're very tough with the saints in the in the Panthers ahead of them. But I just think they're going to be the more desperate team. They're coming off their bye. If I'm not mistaken. Maybe I am. I'm not sure this stuff up but feel like they played last week. But I'll I'll double check. Yes. So I just I think they they have what it takes on the road. I think they've been a little bit unlucky to start the season here. They did know. So they play they last played on Monday night football against the giants. So they didn't have their by. So that that's another thing working in the favor. They should be well rested here, and I just think we know Washington's one three in a row, I think they're kind of do for loss. Sierra leone. I don't think they're as good as that five and two record makes them seem to be. So I will take the points here. I will take the points as well. I agree with you for almost exact same reasons. I don't think Washington is as good as their record. I think they've been kind of doing it through mirrors a little bit here. So I definitely agree with you. I think the falcons coming off the bye goes into Washington. It's about Washington's overdue for a crippling home law. So I feel like this is going to be that loss. Dallas also plays at home. And this week. They host the titans Dallas is a five point favorite to maybe L J. You know, why is it that Tennessee played eagle so Tomba just lay down against everybody else. But Dallas has a five point favorite. Do we think that Dallas is backed? We think that Dallas might actually be decent now. Because I gotta tell you. I feel like Dallas can cover this. I would have to probably take the Cowboys in this one. I to me it's not even about that. I think the titans are just they're pretty garbage, man. And they got shut out only lost to this team throwing lost to this team. How any like they can't even score any points in a game. And you expect them to come in. And and you know, keep it within five years. So I mean, they do have a little bit of fight in them. But man spunky. Yeah. I just I don't see it. I think I think the Cowboys they're gonna win. Unfortunately, set up eagles and Cowboys both being four and four heading into that week. Ten eagles Cowboys skin. Oh, that's gonna be such a big matchup. Let's run down three three other games. Real quick. There's really good games on the schedule here on Sunday at the Steelers at the ravens ravens favored by three points. The ravens pretty good football team this year here. So far Bill G? Joe flacco seems to want to keep his job. And you know, you've got the Steelers who I think now resigned to moving on without Levy on bell for the entire season. Maybe that's the way it was anyway. But you know, I these Steelers ravens games are always really rough match ups. And I think this is game Steelers Ben Rothlisberger? They just don't play as well on the road. Tough to go into Baltimore and beat the ravens in this matchup. I I like the ravens too with the points. What do you think I will ring the bell? Because I feel like the ravens aren't going to sweep the Steelers bought. Comores been struggling a little bit lately. Joe flacco has kind of lost a little bit of his luster recently. Okay. Steelers kind of have their Mojo back to. So I'm gonna take the Steelers with the points. And that'd be great here. If the the ravens lose again because the ravens would be four and five at that point be tougher for them to make the playoffs. That's important with eagles owning their second round pick. We want the ravens to pretty much as they can here because and especially stay away from the playoffs because that helps that second round pick be better. And it's even more important now, I would say with the golden Tate trade and having that third round pick. So I'm hoping right here. I'm hoping the ravens loose. All right. Go steelers. You've got the Rams at the saints. What a game this is going to be later in the day. Rams are one point favorites at New Orleans. I feel like the Rams are due for a loss. Here this team. I don't they're not. I don't think they're going undefeated. This feels like a great spot for the Rams to lose their first game of the season. Biaggi? I'm gonna take the saints. I agree with you. The Rams are undefeated. But. They're not invulnerable like they've come close than some of these past for a month. Now, they played some them close games. They actually got very lucky that Herron Rogers didn't get the ball. Lastly, varied disaster. I mean, come on. What are you doing time? Montgomery take a knee have of the distracted him at a spite. It was like I now writer f that. I feel like Rogers was definitely the driving force behind that trade twos. At this. He's gone. You you mess with me you're out of here. So I like the saints home to and it's basically a pick on. But you know, they're getting a point. I mean. Yeah, I'll take visit tie. Who knows? Yeah. I think the saints are honestly, just you know, they could be the better team here. Yeah. So okay. Last one Packers at patriots patriots favored by six playing up in Foxborough. I really feel Jay like the Packers lost their chance to really make some noise last week. And I don't know that they'll have a whole lot left. I mean that was a tough game to lose that game against the Rams against an NFC opponent. Now, you gotta go into New England take on the AFC champions. I mean Rodgers versus Brady I think it's going to be a good game. But this feels like a game where the patriots pull away at pull away in the end. So I'll take the patriots and six points. Yeah. Man. It's a big line. It is you know, Rogers Rogers getting six points. It's. Tempting. Yeah. I mean Rodgers getting nine points last week was like crazy to me. This is right. This is that was an easy as walks to take the Packers. He's at least a heave it a one possession game. Like come on. Right. So I will take the patriots here. I agree. I just I don't think like I think it's gonna be tough like back to back weeks to to go into LA and to have that game. And then to to to dingo on the road again across the other side of the country up in Foxborough where you know, it's tough to play into let stadium typically for those row teams in those time spots against Hamburg, you know, Tom Brady extra juice or this game as Aaron riders. But like come on like Heenan Brady has to like cement his legacy as the best year Rogers come into town. He's going to be extra amped for this one. And I do think the patriots win. It's don't know outside a Rogers clearly the Packers just aren't very good. So that'll show itself. Here are it will be L G. We don't have an eagles game to look forward to on Sunday. Right. I think this is a game a week where we can all just relax a little bit. 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Trade Deadline Day

"And there you go the clock is ticking. Glad you could be with us as we countdown the final few hours now until today's trade deadline. I'm Wendy next with field Yates, Tim Hasselbeck coach John FOX, we've got our team of NFL nation reporters standing by as well. But we will start with Adam Schefter reporting. Now that Maria's Thomas is on the move, Adam. When did you longest tenured member of the Denver Broncos. A man that helped him win the Super Bowl out and Santa Clara against the Carolina Panthers has been dealt to the Houston Texans along with a seventh round draft pick. The Broncos will be getting back a four round pick and a seventh round pick. But the big savings here. I think is that four million dollars comes up there April this year Torquay million dollars comes up their payroll next year, interestingly enough to marry Thomas his first game as a member of the Houston. Texans will be in Denver against the Broncos on Sunday. The broccoli did not have any reservations about trading Thomas team that they would be. Facing on Sunday. The Texans in desperate need of another wide receiver after they lost will fuller to a season ending torn a C L last Thursday night against the Miami Dolphins. They will working the phones they spoke to the forty Niners about peer Garson. They spoke to the Denver Broncos about marriage Thomas. They talked about other wide receivers. But in the end alternately, Houston like Thomas, and the value that he would bring to Houston and so- moments ago. Those two sides completed a trade that involved one player and three draft picks where Damaris Thomas goes to Houston and we'll play his first game on Sunday in Denver against the Broncos. Have apple shefty nether nightclubbing your first game against your former team, the Broncos will hold a two thirty eastern press conference at which point you will hear from John Elway? But let's talk about Houston. I obviously with the injury to will fuller. This is in addition. They were looking for what's the impact of Thomas arrival? No mystery Wendy onto things first of all the Houston was going to acquire a veteran wide receiver in some way, shape or form and the to marry Thomas. You spoke to anybody around the NFL in the past seventy two hours. He was the flare most often mentioned as likely to be dealt four this four PM trade deadline and just two hours and thirty or so minutes, but for Huston. They lost a player will fuller who is in the conversation for the best vertical play wide receivers in the AFC. Which is why name like to Sean Jackson was often linked to Houston in these trade talks before this to Maria's Thomas trade. The America's Tom is averaging eleven point two yards per catch this year, he's a different player now than he was I know coach can certainly speak to this a handful of years ago. But if you look at the available pieces on that Houston offense. There wasn't a natural in-house replacement to take on a will fuller type role, and you got to figure that Marius Thomas will be revitalized playing with one of the best young quarterbacks in football. And I think that perhaps part of why has yards per catch is lower in Denver the season is by design. It's way he's used as opposed to how he might be used. Now when he goes to Huston no player coach is the same as they were three or four seasons ago. But have. Said what field did what what what can he do right now for the remainder of this season for the Houston Texans? Oh, he's got a big catch radius. He still has vertical speed. He's showed evidence that that this season. He can go up and get the jump ball, which I know Bill Brian and seeing people run the league, and the mayor is still has a lot of football left. I think this is going to help office with the loss of a starting receiver like will fuller these still vertical. He's still has possession abilities got big hands. And I think the thing that really helped you know, as Wes Welker there who was also a teammate marriage is a good teammate. And I'm sure they were looked into all those avenues as well. Have you heard of a situation where a player is traded? And then just several days later faces his former team. Not not not bad fast. Reminds me of like a lawyer Malloy when you signed with the Bill. The practice. I mean, Mitch at the stay might I've seen. Here's his think is interesting though, this is this is really a half a season proposition mean it's a half a season rental Texan this made a ton of sense for the Denver Broncos. If you think about a diminished Thomas, do I think north of fourteen million dollars a year from now direct Portland? Sudden to be honest with you has actually been better. They've been trying to find ways to get him on the field in Denver. He's been he's been outstanding. And then you look at really what Emmanuel Sanders has been for them. He's been case keenum's favourite target. And there were some rumors around Emmanuel Sanders, and it seemed like Denver kind of squashed that quickly. Like, no, no, he's not available, but our other wide receiver is so you know, I think what's interesting here is kind of signals that Houston feels like they can probably win this division this year with a little bit of help it wide receiver after the will fuller injury. Because this is really about the twenty eighteen seats a win. Now. Move to be sure Jeff leg world is on the ground in Denver. I know Jeff you have spoken to Damari us Thomas. What has he said? Wendy. Spoken to a couple of times in recent days after the game Sunday, he put the odds of this at fifty fifty he said and then when I saw him yesterday. I think he was almost resigned to the fact that this move would be made. In the Blanco. It does make sense on the surface of it and logically. But in the locker room this. This will be an interesting thing because I think people see Damaris says the longest tenured player the team. He's been durable. He hasn't missed a game since I believe even John's John FOX's first season is is coach so. He's been durable. He's been reliable. And the biggest reason courtroom Sutton has made the advancements. He has this year is because of Damaris Thomas. Well, it's interesting, Jeff, we're going to go back to Adam Schefter and just a minute. But John let me ask you about that since you're familiar with their situation. Do you agree that this will be an interesting play inside the locker room for the Broncos big? So anytime, you have a veteran player that, you know, get he's one of those guys who was in that Super Bowl and fifteen and he's got a lot of weight in that locker room, you know, like everybody they adjust in. I think it's a great move really for the Texans because where else were they going to get this type of player in this type of impact really in that locker room in a tied up division, and they need to make a push in the second half of the season. I'm talking about the the Houston Texans. So they'll make that Bush with to marry Thomas again the trade deadline four o'clock eastern today show the Broncos sending Thomas to Houston Texans will face the Broncos this weekend. Let's turn back now to Adam Schefter. Who's got some information on other players who may be on the move, including golden Tate. Shefty. Well, this is a name to watch you. When did the Detroit Lions have been open to moving on from gold. And Tate, and here's a name that teams have been calling about all summer long and all summer long. They were told no he's not available. But there's been a flurry of activity surrounding golden Tate's navies that trade deadline is drawn closer and closer. And so we will wait to see if the lines are able to find an acceptable offer by the four PM eastern deadline today that would say Goldie take to another city again, see some of these teams seeing some of these teams where basically it takes to make the move or the wide receiver here are sewn. Basically he's in a situation with a forty nine. Also, having tried to find a suitor Houston would have been interested in peer gore, sewn if they had not been able to work at a deal for Damaris Amish, but they were able to deal and because of that now San Francisco seat if he could find a place where they could find him. Now janoris Jenkins giants defensive back cornerback is a player that other teams have talked about. Again, the salary is not out of whack for. Quarterback. The giants have shown you're willing to move on from players. But I think that obviously right now Jenkins is a player that demand some attention planning college as a player that demand. Some attention Olivier Vernon is of player that demand some attention. But we've got a situation with teams at the decide whether it's worth the salary. That's not the case if Collins who's in the last few on-track, clearly the giants obviously seen that they're going to be unable to resign him. And rather than resign sign them. They're looking to see if they can move on from him at this point in time. They talked to teams we'll see whether or not taking fi team that is waning collinses even thinking about leaving. We'll see what happens to that. Another defensive back to watch gear at the trade deadline approaches is Clinton Dix in Green Bay also player on an expiring contract also players garnered some attention around the league and we'll see whether the Green Bay Packers can find a tree partner for ha ha Clinton Dix year at four o'clock. Shefty. Thank you. Again, the end of the business day at least for the league. Which in this case, it's four o'clock eastern. Let's we'll have much more from Schefter, obviously, as we go through the course of the next ninety minutes. He's he's working to pay for day to be Adam Schefter and understandably so, but let's talk just a minute about the giants because the word fire sale has been used that gets a lot of folks attention. I don't know if that's what you'd call it field. But certainly a team to keep an eye on at one and seven teams have known that the giants had been opened for business. And I think it really goes back to a couple of weeks ago Monday night football when they lose the Atlanta Falcons that game that people said all right at that point. What's the rest of the season mean for the New York Giants and the focus has to be on development? And it's not just the team is one in seven is at third in the first year of a new regime GM Dave Gettleman and head coach Pat Shurmur, and I don't want to say that players from previous regimes are no longer a part of the future going forward. But Dave Gettleman might value players differently than other regimes around the NFL could die them. Like, for example. A Landon Collins. People are saying yourself. Why would you wanna trade a former second round pick in his young to mid twentieth? An excellent safety will get them zone of a long history of pain defensive backs that goes back to his time in Carolina in Collins is in the final year of his deal but between two Norris Jenkins. Landon Collins, some really interesting names left on that defensive side of the ball. Maybe the giants continue consider to parlay wanted one of those players if not both for picks because we know the focus is on twenty nine hundred and beyond coach, you know, this as well as anybody, I mean talent assessment to a degree subjective. Everybody these beauties even the eye of the beholder so to speak and not only that every new regime wants to do different things has overall different philosophies. So you can understand how the giants would to make some changes now, especially at one in seven with new folks who've arrived, and then you're always looking to change the culture in that locker room as well. They've been on a losing streak lost been made. I'm gonna games they've lost since even last season at three and thirteen and into this season. So changing the culture getting new pigs kind of bring. In your own guys in and raising them in the culture, you want to again, there's an advantage to that. So I think right now to try to find value again for players, regardless of what the names are for those new draft picks next year's next year's draft. Here's the giants while they thought that they were kind of going all in on Eli playing well and investing in the offense of line. They're not good. They're a bad football team in the reality is is that they now are no longer in a situation where they feel like really there. They can't feel like they're close. I mean, there's no way they can feel like they are close football team. And so I think that's why someone like janoris Jenkins you'd even consider moving. I mean just think about the money for Jenkins. I mean, he's still relatively young players. Thirty years old. He is making just over six million dollars this year. But he's under contract for the next two years at about ten million dollars for a really good corner. That's not terrible. I mean, that's not that's not bad money. So it's not like it's a contract. He's trying to get out over you know, that you're going to end up cutting him. So I think to me this signals to the giants for the giants especially with what they've done so far. They clearly kind of you know. Didn't assess their current situation properly in terms of how the quarterback would play and what that means for the team going forward that might be the real root of the issue in New York is scouting is not easy in the NFL. Just isn't like I'm not trying to make excuses for general managers and coaches because they're well compensated, and they're the best of what they do. But everybody has personnel swings and misses from draft picks to free agent acquisitions to trades around the NFL. But perhaps the most important thing you have to be able to scout is yourself, you gotta know your own roster. And the giants seemed to have misplayed their hand will what they had just said this to in terms of the safety market in general. I mean, let's just be honest about the safety market. I mean Earl Thomas wanted to trade at one of money. You know, now Landon Collins is due for a new deal. Hawks is going to be due for no deal. Like, honestly, if I may team, I'm not I'm not going to be the first one to pay safety. I'm going to wait and see what everybody else is going to do. Well, let me ask you about how hot Clinton desk decks among those names that you heard Adam Schefter mentioned if you put your scouting hat on in terms of what he brings coach what is it? Well, I think more and more you see in the ball pass so much guys are actually looking for third and fourth quarter, especially on passing douse with multiple wide receivers more corner type ability in Clinton didn't run real well coming out, and I think that's kind of what would people hesitate on paying safety's big money? They're going to more corner types, whereas doors Jenkins, I think there's a market for him out there, you know, as TIMMY mentioned his not a real high salary. I was involved couple years ago and trying to get him out of Saint Louis. So then Saint Louis, and so he's got a pretty good contract. And I think still some ability depending on how people look at it. I think there's more of a market for cover guys on a daylight today. When you have a trade anytime, he talked about trade, you're not just talking about talent, but value as well you have to marry those two things really to find a fit. We're just getting started four o'clock eastern. The NFL's trade deadline today. We continue our coverage of today's trade deadline, which as expected has been busy. Mary Thomas is on the move Thomas headed to Houston. Thomas. The seventh rounder any exchange for a fourth and seventh round pick. Ironically, his first game for the Texans will come against the Denver Broncos this weekend and from his teammate von Miller in response to the news. And of course, this happening all in real time. Von Miller says quite clearly on my cry at what Desama crying in the car cry that car cry in the car, I've done that before myself, but we've all been there on hanging there. Listen, he is not the only player on the move. Golden Tate apparently has a new place to play for more on that. We'll go back to Adam Schefter. Well, Wendy moments ago. The Detroit Lions agreed to sing golden Tate. The wide receiver to the Philadelphia Eagles for a third round pick. This marks the second straight year that the Philadelphia Eagles completed deal right before the trade deadline last year. Sending a fourth round pick to the Miami. Dolphins for j J this year, sending a third round pick to the Detroit Lions for golden tape whose contract is up. After the season. So basically the eagles are trading. A third round pick to build Bill for what amounts to be a rental player. Now, if you lose golden tape in free agency, you get back and compensatory draft pick. So what have here's a team? That's giving up a third round pick now. And if it goes in recycled and Tate knows that he will sign a big contract. Elsewhere and then get back to Tori draft pick in twenty twenty. So it's taking golden Tate on a loan for this year. The eagles have been looking for another playmaker. All they had made a bid on Amari Cooper. They did not get Amari Cooper. They attacked golden Tate. This is a receiver that a number of teams wanted that Detroit didn't want to deal but Detroit stance changed within the last week. Seemingly weren't began to field offers from other teams the lion's head attempted to re-sign golden Tate to a long term contract when they were unable to do that. They began listening more seriously to other teams out there. And moments ago completed a deal to Philadelphia Eagles defending world champion. Philadelphia. Eagles that sense Tate to Philadelphia for a third round pick. Adam. Thank you. And clearly there is some history. It worked out pretty well for the eagles to move. They made at the trade deadline last season. So again, we see it and you made reference with this to Thomas as well in both these cases really you're talking about now because the likelihood of these players staying where they are. Or at least where they've been traded to is not high in seemed like a high price to me. I'm just you know, being on not the golden on a good player. He is. But we're heading into week nine. He's got to be ready to play. So we can't assume that he's going to play an entire game week nine. So you really are getting a rental player for a portion of the season not even half of the season for third round pick. And I understand what Adam saying about the compensatory pick. You're talking about twenty twenty in. Oh, by the way, you have no idea. What what that pick is going to be? It's not like, you know, the formula exactly that in terms of what your. Going to get back and return, it seems like a high price to me that being said right now, I mean, you've got a very competitive football team. I mean just came off the Super Bowl and right now they're struggling again a little bit like the Texans. They're in a division. That's locked up very very tight competition. And this could be the peace to put them over the edge of my little bit. Like a giant was last year. And the reason I say that is the type of receiver. He is golden Tate is outstanding in the slot. Outstanding quickness outstanding on some of those bubble screens with the ball in his hand quickly. And right now Carson Wentz has had that type of guy and that type of threat and in particularly on third down a guy that's going to cause a matchup problem. I think it's a good get and really at this stage. Third round fourth round again. It's just ability to get them over the top. I think it's a good mood too high for you feel they're no. Here's the reason why I don't think it's too high. If you look at the eagles roster construction right now in the players they have under contract for twenty. One and beyond. They basically got their core. Locked up guys like Carson Wentz. Obviously as leader of it, all but out, Sean, Jeffrey and Zach Kurtz and lean Johnson and Jason Peters, and Chris long was extended in players like Fletcher Cox, so I can go on and on about all these players that are already in the mix for twenty nineteen which means they probably weren't going to be particularly active on the free agent market, which will factor into the compensatory pick value. So I can understand sort of both sides of the coin here. And I think if you're looking at what golden taped brings this offense right now, I'm not sure they dramatically lack a player that can one that for the catch me Nelson. Adler is pretty shifty after the catch. But what I wonder for Philadelphia is first of all gold Tate fantastic. After the catch is just how they align. These receivers now golden tasted as best operating at the slot. That's what he does almost exclusively Nelson career got on track. When he moved to the slot. So it'll be interesting to see which of those two players shifted outside, and it becomes more of a other vertical threat or a perimeter threat where size and speed can really egos got a little taste of that pie. I think that. Championship field. They'd like to repeat. Like to have some more few are better equipped to talk about the hours leading up to the trade deadline, then our hall of fame. GM Bill Polian who joins us now Bill. Let's start with golden Tate. Where do you sit on this deal? I think it was a good deal. The eagles need a player of his stature he can run after the catch of John said he can play well in the slot. He gives you chunk plays with the ball in his hand. And a third is a slim price to pay for eight players who can change games he can make chunk plays and choke plays. As what the eagles passing offense as lacking. I still would have liked to have seen them in. Maybe get they'll go for a running back. That's also glaring gate, but this is a good pick up for them. And I don't worry about the price when you're going for the Super Bowl branch Rickey once said the only one you can win is the one you can win now. And that's what Howie Roseman is looking at. He's my favorite Bill. You know that let me ask you about Damari Thomas. He's been traded to Houston. What? Does he do immediately for the Texans? Well, he admittedly fills a whole he's the third best receiver on their team if they were healthy, but they're not. So they've got to got to bring in receiving talent in a division. That is decidedly up for grabs. There's no-one separating themselves from the pack in that division. So even though Houston's won four straight. But the bottom line is that with the injuries he comes in. And I think fourth and seventh is a pretty high price to pay for a player of his stature, I think he's more reputation than he is delivering at this point in time. But they don't have anybody better. So you make the move when you when you feel like you have a chance to win. All right. They'll we'll be back with you as the next hour or so unfold tweet you want to go now to our reporter on the ground in Houston report on the Texans end of this trade, Sarah barshop. All right. We'll get night, Sarah. Chicken here. Alrighty, right. He's ready. So when she can hear us, we'll go back to Sara. But again, you heard what Bill had to say the only one you can win John is the one you can win now. And I think if I'm paraphrasing that was your point as well about the eagle agree. I mean, right now, basically, you're halfway point in you're right in the thick of things. And it's not how you start threes. It's how you finish. And you've got to best utilize the roster you can build now it's a little bit like before, you know, before the final cut down. You have to do what you have to do in. This is it this is this is the way to choir talent. And I think this is a big step for actually in both those cases to replace a get something. I Adam talk for just a minute about Detroit who had been in the market for Amari Cooper as well. They of course, Oakland made that deal early. Amari Cooper, lands in Dallas something to be said field for getting the head of the curve here. If you will before we got into the last few days and hours sort of interesting, though, this an feel like of the significant prices Dallas is still blows. Nobody else out of the water. Right. That you often if you're the first person to make move, you kind of set the table one way or the other you said it as if this is the strongest offer that will go out there, or this is the baseline and everything has to be above it. But the difference between Amari Cooper versus golden Tate into Maria's Thomas as the Amari Cooper trade is an obvious long-term investment for Dallas. It's for one half years on his current deal and presumably a long term contract perhaps go she aided this off season Dallas, I'm sorry Philadelphia with Golden State. It may be that he's with the team for eight more regular season games in a playoff run. And that's it and say Maria's, Tom this is fourteen million dollars next season. But a really interesting wide receiver market, so far, and we haven't even scratched. I mean there are there are potential other ripples in the next two hours and two minutes. They could impact us wide receiver. Mark lowered. The reality is this. And I've heard Bill Polian. And I'm sure he'd say the same thing you're talking about agent health. I mean, that's the end of the day when you're talking about a player moving and it comes up in free. As well. Where's mar Mark Cooper's twenty four years old? You know, every other wide receiver. We've talked about is thirty year old. I mean, there aren't a ton of wide receivers well into their thirties that are stretching the field and giving you big plays. And so you know, that, you know. You know, the first round of for Mark Cooper. I don't even think is really I don't think you can compare it. In terms of what it means for a guy that's thirty years old or thirty one years old. So I mean, I think that they have that context as well. All right. Adam had ventured ha ha Clinton Dix as a player who may be on the move. And as we told you before his teammate at least for right now time Montgomery fumbled. The kickoff return late against the Rams over the weekend. Eight cost Aaron Rogers and his team a chance to drive down the field and do what Aaron Rodgers so often reports said that Montgomery had defied his coaches instructions to simply take a knee notion. Montgomery dispute. Kick the retired abo- where was it. At that point in time. I stood world wasted. I had to retire. So. Split-second decision on. I don't know if this is gonna land on the go. So I'm not gonna take me on the goal line at the Heff yard and take a chance of putting putting the game in the resume. I wanted to make a play I wasn't playing very much and I wasn't able to make a play. And I was frustrated about that. I don't fully understand what what my role is right now what I'm supposed to be doing how I'm supposed to help this team. And especially I don't know if you guys have ever been so frustrated with something that you walk into close the door screaming you walk back out. And then you do with your life. That's what happened. Frustration over. Absolutely not. And that's. All right, Tim. That's his take your take. Let me listen. It was the wrong decision to take out to be honest with you the Rams it actually made a mistake in terms of win. They snapped the ball to kick the field goal. They should have bled. The clock. All the way down kick the field goal in the process of killing that field goal, if they didn't hit the two minute warning there. They were gonna hit it at the kickoff. Okay. So so that that was what was going to happen because of win. They snapped the football not returning. The ball is one hundred percent the right play should have been coached on the sideline. If it wasn't a mistake by the coaching staff, if it was in Montgomery decided to bring it out, then it's a mistake on his part. Is there a scenario where you can see a guy fielding the ball? And he's not sure if he's completely out one hundred percent that can happen. But the play is to let that ball go into the end zone. Not having a second run off the clock. Heavier I downplay from the twenty five yard line with two minutes and five seconds left. And have the ability to throw the ball in the middle of the field. So there are a lot of things at play here. Getting into the hey was he told was he not told only they can tell you. But the truth of the matter is they made a mistake by not capitalizing on the mistake. The Rams at the end of the day. I don't want to say it doesn't matter internally. It certainly does. But at least from now going forward, you know, the result is what it is coach. But how do you handle this or manage this? Because what you did see was an irate quarterback on the sidelines. Well, no doubt. And really the thing. That would push me. The most of unlike McCarthy right now is this getting aired out in media. You know, that's a problem. Whether it's his teammates, whether it was coaches, and you know, what you don't want is finger pointing right now. That's what you have. You know, the fact that maybe he was upset because he had brought up brought out of the game. Well, there was guys playing the running back because they better during that game. And part of that is you know, guys getting that opportunity. So where it goes moving forward. I'm not really sure, but that's what I'd be most upset about right now is this getting aired out publicly instead of within the team doesn't really serve any. Purpose. It certainly doesn't get you where you wanna go. Green Bay at team that may make I moved today. Four o'clock eastern the deadline. Rob Domanski is in Green Bay. Rob. What do you hear there? Well, Wendy as they do continue to deal with the time Montgomery situation. There's another deal that could be in the works as you heard Adam Schefter say safety. Ha ha Clinton Dix could be on the move. I talked to Clinton Dix yesterday right at about four o'clock. And he said I've got twenty four hours, and then we can talk when I asked him whether we'd be talking here at Lambeau Field or on the phone from another NFL city. He said, quote, I don't know you may be surprised now why would they move Clinton Dix when he's playing very well play more like his Bulbul season of a couple of years ago. Well, he's at the end of his contract and the Packers have not we signed their last two. High priced safeties Morgan Burnett and Mike hide. They let them walk. So perhaps this is general manager Brian Gouda coons trying to get something for Clinton Dix when he knows he won't be bringing him back next season. Rob thank you. We'll welcome back and Adam Schefter, first atom the latest on ha ha Clinton Dix who you mentioned earlier. His name keeps coming up. The problem is. Tough to trae for safety to demand for safety's is not great in this league. Any teams that have been talking about it right now don't seem overly won't at this particular woman. Now, again, we've got two hours left until the four o'clock eastern trade deadline to see if the Packers can get something done for hot Clinton. Dick, some people thought the chiefs doesn't sound like that's a possibility right now is for time. Montgomery similar situation on an expiring contract much like golden Tate. Now, the eagles were ruling to roll the dice to trade. The third round pick four golden Tate, but time Montgomery also on an expiring contract coming off the performance on Sunday where we brought the kickoff that of the end zone. Lost the fumble cost down on Rogers a chance to try to beat the own beaten. Rams obviously right now the Green Bay Packers. You're seeing if they can get anything back value for time Montgomery, and we'll find out whether they're able to do that by the four o'clock eastern deadline. So a couple of names to watch in Green Bay. But I want to also point out here Wendy that we saw four names four players dealt over the last week. We've seen two more traded today. That six trades altogether. That's considerably more than you would get an ordinary NFL year in previous years now last year there were about five traits up until the deadline. So right about that number right now, maybe a little bit more. So I know everybody's waiting for this flurry of activity, and there are a number of teams that have feelers out. There is Dave describe it to me bait to see if some team is willing to bite on a player right now. We're trae could be done, but we've already gotten six trades essentially in the last week, which is a lot. And then maybe a couple more here before the trade deadline. And if there is we'll certainly bring you the very latest. All right, shefty, thank you. And as we know the vast majority of the traits discussed are the ones you never hear about because they don't happen. You stay put. We'll be right back with you. We're just getting started. As boy Kevin loved playing football. He lived in briefed wanted to go clue why he'd spent hours upon hours just like the touchdown dances at one day. Well, getting fitted for bifocals, he realized he was never much good at throwing or running or catching nor even kicking. Yeah. Kevin's chances of playing crew football. We're looking like fourth and long very long, but he did hear how DIKO could save money on car insurance. So he switched and save. Then he did kind of a touchdown. At least he was still good at that. Come back to NFL live six traits and counting over the past two weeks as we now find ourselves less than two hours to go until the NFL trade deadline. What we've seen this afternoon so far given area Thomas as rumored on the loop. He hates to Houston. Ironically enough his first game. And in Texas uniform will come against his former team that game Sunday at four zero five at Denver Broncos will hold a press conference at two thirty eastern at which time you will. I'll hear from John Elway on that decision. Also on the move a win now decision clearly golden tape leaving the motor city. He is no longer with the Detroit Lions, but instead joins the defending Super Bowl champions. He has been traded to the Philadelphia Eagles and. In exchange for a third round picks the other team in Pennsylvania. Actually I Carson Wentz. He heard of quarterback of the eagles. Let's roll. My man clearly directed at golden excited to compete with clearly glad to get an additional weapon in the arrival of golden Tate who also said, you know, why Detroit it's been real, but Philly here, I come. So let the traits continue the other team. Here we go now in in Pennsylvania unclear when Levy on bell will rejoin the Steelers he has yet signed his franchise tender that means he cannot be traded before today's four o'clock eastern deadline. No player then can be traded after the deadline has passed which is why we speculated perhaps he's waiting until after today's deadline to check back in with the Steelers. We check back in with the man who's been there from start to eventual finish Jeremy Fowler. Eventually, I think what can you tell us? I think so too. Eventually, they lose word as we know. But there's been minimal trade buzz on lady on Bill situation, barring unforeseen development in the next few hours. He will remain a Pittsburgh Steeler in two thousand eighteen and as you outlined a player who has no contract who has not signed cannot be traded. So the Steelers would have to come to him with a potential team that he would approve of then he would have to come and take his physical sinus tender and be off to his new team all of that would have to happen in very short order. So unless bell breezes past us and the camera right now, that's probably not going to happen. In a source. I spoke to in the building was resigned to that fate and open to Bill playing two thousand eighteen here. That source said if Bill comes plays, well, everybody's happy. And that's what bell wants to. He told me earlier this month. He does not want to be traded doesn't expect. So and wants to remain a Steeler long-term. Now, it is business as usual here. At Steelers headquarters were coach, Mike Tomlin was animated at his press conference. When asked bell is gonna show. This week. He basically shut up the question and said any other questions is clearly tired of talking about bell. But as for the trade deadline Tomlin said he expects the phone to ring. We'll see what happens he says. But he did add the Steelers don't give up draft picks very often this time of year because they value home grown talent. Well, they dented good job with that. Jeremy, thank you. And you know, what why don't we hear from Mike Tomlin? This is exactly what Jeremy's talking about. Here is Tom in a few minutes ago. Any other questions? You'll have a good evening. That's a walk off. It is a walk of. I understand his frustration. You have to understand the question as well. It's just a it's a tiring situation. I don't know what to it as crazy as this has been by the way, I wouldn't be surprised to see bell wasp Jeremy Fowler. I think at this point that's par for the course field. But again, it seems like a trade involving Levy on bell at this point dearly impossible. I would think in order to execute that Jerry. He would have sign that franchise tender and the team would have to then trade him and the next one hour and forty seven or eight minutes. So you can basically push maybe on bell trade out the door to think what we got to the point here Wendy this is early on in the season. We are asking what are the Steelers expectations about how lady on bells going to handle his current situation? When will Levy on Belva turn to the Steelers based off what they're thinking. If we come increasingly clear, one person in one person only has any idea of what navy on bell wants to do right now that's on bell. And that could. Change in his own mind in the next hour week month. I've seen it change. The time has been incredibly, fluid dynamics. So the Steelers, and I know that people interpret this is that just coachspeak that's just you know, rallying the troops together. But they are probably bound to the fact that James colors, our guy, and we're going to plan on having James Connor as our guy going forward and open the way he's playing unbelievable. He's going to the best running backs in football this year. I'm not saying they're worse for the wear with lady on bell on the field. But for now, they're in a very good spa. This is a high society running back problem. The Steelers have on their hands right now as a pertains to on the field matter. So for now, if they lay on bell that's gravy gravy, because they have been awesome on the ground with James Caan certainly cannot complain about his production built poli and back with us Bill. I someone who's dealt with somewhat similar situations. How do you handle this in the front office at this point? Well, at this point the Di really is cast James Connor as has been mentioned has. Played tremendously. Well, the Steelers drafted him. If for just this situation as why they made the pick. And he's done extremely well. Now if lady on Bill comes in the question, then is does he come in all in four. Does he come in just to fix up a pitching? That's what the Steelers front office. And perhaps Mike Tomlin is worried about do. They get a one hundred percent of lady on Bill or do. They get a lady on Bill protecting himself and ready to go to the free agent market. That's where the problem lies in the future. James Connor is the answer right now and probably barring injury and please God given his situation. And what he's beating beaten already injury never comes into play. He'll be the guy for the foreseeable future. But the question is which lady on Bill, do they get the lady on Bill that we've come to know and get excited about and want to see play or a lady on Bill? List than invested Bill. Thank you. And that's that's the great caveat. Right. We just don't know. No one really knows that other news out of Pittsburgh and injury to the quarterback. Ben rothlisberger. Mike Tomlin did answer. A question about that. Been a head a fractured index finger on his left hand. You know, it didn't prohibit him from being affective in the second half of the game. But obviously will will look at it in terms of his availability this week, and how it might affect them in a practice setting and so forth now then -ticipant in it been an issue for him in play or in game. But I did talk about it after I wanted to give you guys an update. This is left hand. Tim is a former quarterback how how does that affect or not affect his play? No. I think the things that does. It doesn't officiant affect you. Taking a snap. And you take a snap as a right hand of quarterback the ball hits your right hand. I mean, that's that's what it is you secure it with your left hand. I think the things that would be an issue for Ben would be handing off on plays running to the right 'cause you hand off with your left hand. And a lot of times back if he's excited who kind of clamp down on the football and take your hand with it at times. And I think the other aspect of it would be we know Ben makes a lot of place, you know, kind of moving outside the pocket or kind of fighting inside the pocket to extend plays. And so then ball security becomes an issue is you're in the pocket, and you want to see the ball with two hands you as guys swipe at the football. You know, having a broken index finger, obviously doesn't help you end up protecting the football. So I think that's the issue there. I want to hop back on Levy on Belfer second one hundred percent in. Already. Let us know wearing is on this. Percent. Then maybe on is basically given up a million dollars a week. He's he's on protect lady on his all in on being healthy. When he when he hits free agency. That is what he is all in make no mistake about it. You don't give up the money that he has given up to be all in on anything other than being healthy when you are due for a long term contract. That's what he's done. So. Whenever he comes in. He's going to need to come to secure six weeks. We'll now one thing's for sure if he wants the Pittsburgh Steelers to be part of that free agency at the end of this season. He better be all in I can speak that about that organization and everybody will be looking how this role for this. It's just hard to just cost himself money. Yeah. His future there. But you know, the long term and the long term. Yes, I guess you never know we continue to make our way towards today's four o'clock eastern trade sides date trade deadline about an hour and a half and change to go before. No player can be traded. Amidst rumors he may be on the move. It was tough sledding. Shawn McCoy running the ball last night against the New England Patriots the final tally at least in terms of rushing. Twelve carries thirteen yards. Here's shady on his frustrations. Just as close. He's an everything. Here too. Or put in or whatever put in my whole career. Saying for it to happen. Like this. You see the defense. Crying offers for not really. Well at all. Of stakes. These two hundred yards its gain. This never had. Well, if that will welcome in our bills reporter, Mike rodak, and Mike Leshan was clearly frustrated he was emotional after the loss that happens. But what did you hear regarding a trade involving McCoy? Well, Wendy, I talked to McCoy after the game. And I asked him how much this trade deadline was weighing on his mind. And he simply said who knows man, and indeed it's very tough to tell with this current regime in buffalo. Brandon Beane the GM has been here for two years, and you really have to expect the unexpected even though it might be quiet right now onto McCoy front. I remember early in the afternoon of the trade deadline day last year being told us don't expect the trae today. Well around three thirty that day. Kelvin Benjamin trade started to come together with the Panthers has made twelve trades involving players over his first eighteen months as bills GM. A lot of them have been higher priced players acquired by a previous regime McCoy fits into that category. Really question. Whether his salary is justified by his production of the thirty two running backs across the NFL. Whoever least two hundred carries since the start of. Last season McCoy ranks twenty eighth in yards per carry as we await for John Elway who will talk about again this decision. But shefty how did it get done? When you what happened? Here was the Denver Broncos have been looking for a couple of weeks to move on from Thomas and one of the reasons they were looking to move on is scheduled to make fourteen million dollars next season. They were not going to pay him that fourteen million next season. Not with some of the young wide receivers that they have in the talent that they've demonstrated this season. And so with that in mind they began efforts to conduct a trade here and Houston Texans last Thursday night loss will fuller to a twenty L A season ending injury. So the Broncos spoke to the Texans. They spoke to the Philadelphia Eagles who were also looking for a wide receiver at this point in time. They spoke to a couple of other teams. But really the Texans were the ones that jumped out and as of Monday night, those two sides had the framework of a deal in place that was completed this afternoon where. The Broncos sent Thomas and a seventh round pick to Houston for a fourth round pick and a seventh round pick. So the Broncos basically improved their position in the seventh round of the draft. They get back in additional fourth. They should four million dollars payroll. This year fourteen million dollars of payroll for next year and the Houston Texans come up with wide receiver that they can insert into the spot that will fuller had while they're in first place in the AFC south that trade that worked out for both teams will fuller had not been injured. It would have been interesting to see if Denver could have dealt to marry his Thomas, but the sense all along has been that Denver is looking to move on from him. And it found an active suitor in the Houston. Texans. Thank you, shefty. It's interesting. You say that because I think the question I have is if you're the Texans coach and you see willful or go down, and you know to long-term injury. Do you start thinking immediately about a move like this thing? Definitely especially if it were they are right now in their division. Let's not forget this team started Owen three and it all. Sudden now Shawn Watson these starting to look like his old self and that football team is good a chance as anybody to get into the playoffs and make some noise. They got a good defense improving and lose them. We'll fuller was killer. It was kind of a meaningless looking play. And I think getting guy light Demaria's Thomas getting them injected marriage is a smart guy veteran players should be able to learn the system quick enough and help help make them make that push thing there to look at key Cutie who's done a really good job for them playing inside coach brought up Wes Welker earlier think about west west. You know, kind of in the history of this league has been one of the better slot wide receivers that's ever played. And so I think when you look at his development playing inside having Hopkins outside now having to marry Thomas outside you can keep this young kind of sending player playing in that role in mobile the ways being coached by somebody who played that spot. Very well, so. I think that probably also, you know, rather than elevating him due to kind of a role that maybe you didn't think he was suited for keeping him where he is. Also, a good learning curve here or as coach river veteran player knows what he's doing and step right in your interesting. The Broncos have already now. So you're gonna honored to marry Thomas. This Sunday that will include a thank you banner and some other nice ways to pay, you know, Amish to a guy that's been really good player for them for nine seasons. Now, but we don't even know if a play on Sunday one would figure that with three full practices in Houston provided. He gets there in time takes a physical but tomorrow morning that Mary should be somewhat up to speed. But we'll see whether he plays tips points really well taken it's allow cue to develop as normally in go all later semi Lynn with Mary's Thomas. We continue to make our way to today's four o'clock eastern trade deadline Bill Polian back with us and Bill without being specific is every team is different. What's going on in front offices around the league as you got ninety minutes or so? Until that deadline passes. Well, we're starting to raise the clock right now. Because three thirty is really the procedural deadline to get things done because you have to make sure that the paperwork is in if to make sure that the cap considerations are handled. So you're starting to race the clock now teams that are desperate to sell. Somebody are questioning whether or not their prices too, high people who are in the market to buy are questioning whether or not they want to pay the price, and we're really now down to card cutting time, this is when the rubber meets the road Bill. Let me ask you this. How do you guard against change for change's sake? Sometimes you wanna make a move so badly. It's not looking good it won't work out. And you could get reckless. How do you guard against that? Well, you just you say in your preparation which all began last week that you're not going to do that. And no matter how hard someone may push ownership marketing coaching. It doesn't matter as a GM. You have to say we're not throwing good money after bad. We're not going to chase a deal just to make a deal you have to be firm and resolute and understand that you have to get value. And and the likelihood is that that the odds of the guy helping your team if you're acquiring art our little higher than fifty fifty but not much. So you have to know who you want. You have to know what the price you. You're willing to pay is. And you have to be resolute about it over the next forty five or so minutes. They'll paul. Bill Polian says don't do it. You don't do it. They'll that's that's what we say around here too. By the way doubt about that. Again, just about ninety minutes or probably less. So now an hour and twenty and change until today's trade deadline. We've seen about six traits. I believe over the course of the last fourteen days or so there's still time we may or may not see any additional activity, but you know, what it never hurts to speculate field. That's what we do. Sometimes conjecture, what are some trades you'd like to see whether they're likely or not earlier in the show, we discussed the Shawn McCoy who said last night. I'm not sure if I'm going to be traded. What have you love to see Leshan McCoy on an offensive releases amick back like the Green Bay Packers? They got some really good production from Aaron Jones on Sunday against the Los Angeles. Rams. But we know that Mike McCarthy has perhaps been infamously reticent to use Aaron Jones and a work share our work horse role. I think maybe we forget how good Leshan McCoy is. Because of how I would just say dismal the. Offensive line is in buffalo right now. That will be a fun one for me. It's not going to happen. But wouldn't tyrod Taylor to the to the Jacksonville Jaguars alleviate? Some of the concerns are having right now. Tyrod Taylor good opportunity for tyrod Taylor, which I think we don't like to say, I know it's unlikely if not. Unfathomable right now. But what the Jaguars are looking for on offenses to run the heck out of the football beat you up front with the offensive line and not turn the football over. That's tyrod Taylor right there. And of course, they wanna play great defense to that will be one. And then I do believe that the cardinals. With Dale Buchanan has Saen Radic Radic linebacker by trade became a sort of hybrid linebacker slash safety players that maybe of late have seen a bit more playing time but earlier on in the year where none factors in this defense. And both of them were former first round picks got to keep an eye on a guy no longer needed to keep an eye on Maria's Thomas. We know he's headed to Houston. Here's John Elway on that decision. The girl was that. You know, it was we were not hell bent on on trading Damaris. If the value was there that we felt the value was there we felt that it can help us that way as far as the draft next year. And and that we thought that with the guys behind him that we could make up for the for the space that you know, he would he would leave. And so, you know, we got the value that we thought was fair, and that was the most important thing. So you know, I think that is never easy when you try again that's been a household name your long time. Then a lot of great things not only on the football field. But but also in the community, and it was a good, man. So plus it's a good spot for tomorrow's going to it from good football team. And that's in the pennant race where he's going. And so, you know, it'll be it'll be good for him too. We had probably three or four teams. Yeah. Clause. You're playing Texans. Something I thought about it. Yeah. I mean, obviously. But I think that ultimately we had to look past that and. Thought that it wouldn't affect our game and affect the outcome of the game that we felt that we can make that move and send him to Texas. Just to get good making at this point. Yeah. But you never know. But at this point in time, we are. Yeah. Chance. I mean, I think that they've all cordless played very very well and Tim Patrick played very well last week. And so, you know in a man does obviously playing very well too. And so we thought that this is give court Linda chance to get out there play more and become a bigger part of it. Because we think he's ready to go. And you know, he's played well up to this point in time. So hopefully, this exhilarated says maturity. We're now from that long ago. Now, I don't think, you know, obviously when you lose a guy like like Marius that we're gonna lose a little bit. But I think that what we're where we can make it up as with the youth and the young guys getting them experience and. Is this year? Continues to go. So I didn't think that it eliminated our ability to compete in and hopefully get it gave them a better second half than we've had and at the first half, and and went some football games. But I didn't think that that was going to impede it by making this move. And it also gave us some value that you know. We thought was important contributor will. Well, it's you know, you never know. I think that you know, I think that they'll look at the guys behind him though. I don't believe the young guys step up. And I think that's what's most important. And you know, personally, I think that the young guys ready to step up behind them and fill that void. And so with that with that as well as the value that we got we just thought that, you know. It was important to make the move. But trade your tenure players have something. Well, I mean, I think that anytime like I said with with you know, how Damaris carried himself since he's been here. I think it's always, you know. It's an end for for him and us I think, but it's not because I think as I told him, you know, he'll he'll always be a Bronco, you know, and so bit into his career here, but not his career in the NFL. And know that look at it as the fact that, you know, eventually the Broncos will be reunited with the Maria's. Man. It was hard. I mean, it's always hard. And I think that and I told him to I said, I know it's hard with everything that it was hearing out there, you know, and. Those type things are obviously very impossible to keep quiet in the end, you know. You know, unless something comes to fruition. I usually don't ever talk about them. Just because the fact is you know, a lot of times are just rumors. And so we can't control that night told him that we did the best we could to try to take care of him as well as take care of the Broncos. And and you know, but. You know, he was you know. See I wouldn't say surprised, but I think that you know, anytime you're somewhere, and I can only imagine never having never been traded. But imagine that you know, that there's a lot of unknown out there form now going to a new spot. But I'm sure you've. He'll fit right in his career stand up. You know, I think that he made so many big place. Obviously, the Pittsburgh one is the biggest one I think that stands out that we we all remember. But know, here's a guy that was very very productive and consistent for a long long time. And. You know was with health healthy most most of the time too. And so you that we could rely on. I'm top with you trust in. Bill file a lawsuit. What did you think of that? Do you have any concerns about the? You know stability at the top of the franchise narrow. I don't I like I said we we've talked about this earlier. And yes me about that. I think that you know, will work its way out, you know, I will say this that in my opinion in having worked with Joe, he's he's been that pillar force. And you know, so you know, that's still above our level. And we still have to concentrate on doing the best we can as far as trying to get back on track and win some football games. And and you know, we look at that as it will handle it self, and, but I just know in the long run that eventually no matter what happens. I think we're still going to be fine. How however whatever way that goes, I think that you know, the franchise in good shape. Well, and the you can't script it category. The Texans will face the Broncos. They'll travel to Denver on Sunday. The Broncos have said they will honor to marry Thomas complete with a thank you banner, and he'll be recognized. But you heard John say coach weren't hell-bent on trading. D'amoto Thomas, they found they thought if they found a good value something make benefit this team. Now, they would do it. Do you agree to that where they landed? Do I think anytime you make a trade you have to feel like you're going to be able to weather in most cases, even going all the way back to what the raiders did not going to figure out whether that was a good fit or not until down the road. Same thing here. I think both teams ended up pretty well. I think you know, Houston had a definite need. I mean, they don't lose will fuller for this season. They're not even in this straight up. So again, it's hard saying goodbyes all those things are this is a tough business that way but good from self. They're they're going to give them a good. Good. Send-off and shoot he gets to this show back up next weekend. So. You can't we can't miss you. If you don't leave. I think what John Elway saying about their current roster makes a lot of sense sudden has been very good. He mentioned Tim Patrick as well who has played some valuable snaps for them. And then you look at the division. Obviously. The chiefs are running away with the vision charges are ball team. Just doesn't appear like this is an ascending team right now. And so I think in terms of way that roster is currently laid out. It does make sense in their season has gone. It does make sense for them to get a good look at some of the young guys. And it was just like to add obviously was not hard for a way to remember that he was actually traded from by the coal so hard to say, I wouldn't know. No. I don't think you've really got locked in Baltimore. It's been a long time. There we won't. We won't. You know, interesting Adam said earlier on the show that one of the primary motivations for the Broncos is to get that four million dollars cap and don't forget cash savings to owners don't mind when they can save a little bit of cash if it also maybe potentially helps elevate the role the young player as Tim just mentioned court Lund's out all is go onto him right now. And I'm not saying that the difference between the Bronco stain competitive or not tanking but going to different direction is to marry his Thomas, but you sort of wonder if this is a ceremonial move. That represents that we need to start thinking towards the future. When you start thinking about twenty nine thousand nine am beyond whether the entire roster goes under evaluation. You've got cornerstone's like von Miller, and Chris Harrison, you know, some of the young pieces they have on this roster. But you wonder what kind of valuation we might see from the Broncos further down the line to season to look towards next season. And John Elway said it himself in regards to Cortlandt sudden, we also hope this move will accelerate his development. Give him the opportunity to continue. Ascending, Adam Schefter. We've seen to not. Trades today. We are just over an hour now until the deadline. What else is out there? What Wendy let's bring you the latest buzz right now that's going on around the league. The Jacksonville Jaguars or listening to offers for their former first round draft pick Dante Fowler right now. And there are a number teams. That are interested in him. It sounds like a trade is possible by the four o'clock deadline. The Packers are listening in for time. Montgomery who brought the kickoff out of the end zone on Sunday. And obviously right now if they could get a deal worked out for him. They would be willing to do that. There's been a lot of speculation about the New York Giants, and whether they would be willing to move on from Landon Collins Olivier Vernon ginormous Jenkins quiet right now on the eastern seaboard regarding the New York Giants and news fresh out of Seattle moments ago, the Seattle Seahawks released wide receiver Brandon Marshall. So there's a little bit of a news flash for you. Right there the Seahawks just released Brandon marshal the lions restructured the contract of Marvin Jones, freeing of two point two million dollars. So there's a flurry of activity here. We'll bring you the very latest as it winds down to the four o'clock trade deadline Jordan joins us. Now. He's with the giants as he always says. And we've seen the G men. Jordan, be quite active in the past few weeks. Are we done do you anticipate anything additional in the next hour or so? Yeah. We already saw the moves earlier last week right either. I apple Damon Harrison, and there has been thought that the giants those done yet. But it appears that they are. 'cause I got a text recently from someone around the league said to the belief is that the giants fire sale is over the one guy that may still be available and still give move though. It's at probably a long shot at this point is jenner's Jenkins. So colts cornerback he's made a Pro Bowl with the giants money is a factor there, and I asked the people randomly they his value was this at probably around throughout giants do something that's a round where the compensation would be right now with the giants. It seems like they're major moves were done last week Damon percent and Eli apple mean teams have called about Landon Collins teams have called about Odell Beckham junior. The see where that is those aren't happening. It doesn't appear likely one team that you might want to keep an eye out, especially when it comes with Jenkins and the giants defensive backs is the Kansas City Chiefs. They have been. Snooping around over the last few days. Jordan. Thank you at one in seven giant, clearly looking toward the future, and Tim I thought you made an excellent point earlier worth repeating that probably a little bit of a missed assessment here of where they were what their own roster looked like and what they were prepared for in two thousand eighteen. Yeah. They drafted a running back to think that was going to help their offense. They they made their left tackle the highest payed left tackle. And the game. At the time. They signed him thinking that you lie. Manning had a couple good years left. I remember Dave Gettleman talking about hey you lie. Manning was the one we saw in the Philadelphia game referring to the twenty seventeen game against the eagles. And it just that hasn't been the case. Look, we do the power rankings a lot of times on on Tuesdays, and they are twenty eight or. Or? Football team. Right. Not going in the right direction. So that's the pricing. We've also touched on just coming off of what Jordan is saying. They're yours Jenkins is under contract for this year. And then two years after that at numbers that aren't absurd based on how he's played. Fourth-round compensation for ginormous Jenkins to me. I would think that someone would be willing to pay that. I think if you're the giants you need to be busy over the next hour right now. Right. I mean, it makes all the sets come this far you might as well. Yeah. Our in two minutes, you need to be as busy as anybody in the league where passing numbers are skyrocketing players like janoris Jenkins who can play men coverage. And I'll bet he has some jecklin. Hi to them right there. You gotta take the good with the incurred risks there. But a player that should have some value in this league. And Jordan mentioned the Kansas City Chiefs unbelievably bad in terms of statistics defensively against the past. Maybe they kick the tires on generous Jenkins. That was definitely I mean, that's exactly what the doctor ordered for Kansas City Chiefs. It'd make a real push. I mean, these guys are having you know, light. Yep. Season a good cover guy would be really really good for them. Well, you heard Jordan nine say that the belief or at least a source telling him that the fire sale with the New York Giants is over. But you never know we have an hour to go. We can't leave you now four o'clock eastern. We're hanging come on with us. It's sportscenter special recapping and looking. Head starts right about now. We've seen a lot of boots in the past few days, Gordon on the move the raiders thing Khalil Mack to Chicago Bears. We made the trade headline-grabbing move. This is a move. That's been brewing for a while. Hopefully, we prove that a long-term we did the right thing. And the raiders now have three first round draft picks in twenty nine hundred the offers are going to get good holy cow by my reaction. This is a win now move when you make a trade length that we may see a lot of activity, Adam Schefter. He's got like ten phones working right now. You've got Landon Collins. You've got your Norris Jenkin. You gotta live gate Vernon. The giants already have shown that they're willing to trade. Anybody Maria's Thomas is still sitting out there? If you're the Buffalo Bills. Do you wanna go train the Shama point if they fifty seven of bell watts but whose downing right? So when you see four five six trainings before the trade deadline again this year. Well. Welcome inside our sportscenter special as we countdown quite literally in toll today. Four o'clock eastern NFL trade deadline. Glad to have you with us. I'm Wendy next field Yates, coach, John FOX, Tim Hasselbeck, and we have seen activity today. The first notable trade this afternoon came when the Broncos parted ways with Maria's Thomas sending Thomas to Houston Texan along with a seventh round pick a yet. Rick seventh-round, take fourth and seventh comeback to Denver. Ironically, these two teams will face each other in Denver on Sunday. Here's John Elway. On the decision. We're gonna lose a little bit. But I think that what we're where we can make it up as with the youth and the young guys getting them experience. And and you know. Is this year, you know, continues to go. So I didn't think that it eliminated our ability to compete in and hopefully get it gave them have a better second half than we've had and the first half and and went some football games. But I didn't think that that was going to impede it by making this move. And it also gave us some value that you know, we thought. We thought we'll go on the ground now to Denver where we check him with our Broncos reporter Jeff Legua who spoken with the Mary Thomas. Jeff, what do you have to say? When did I have not spoken with him today? But yesterday he was. I've tried to reach out today. But yesterday, he was almost resigned to the fact that he felt like a trade would be made. And then John Elway just finished here at the Broncos complex, and he characterized his discussions with various this morning as as hard really hard is how he how he phrased it. So this is no small move. You know, Elway was asked. What will this be? How will this be taken in the locker room and his response? Was you never know. So he knows that they have moved. They respected tenured player who was still performing at a at a pretty high level. And you know, it's just something they're going to have to deal with especially vents Joseph in the coaching staff moving forward. They will also have to adjust about a five storey high ban around the side of the stadium. There's one of two Marius and one of on Miller, they say the plans are to put a thank you on the banner and just leave it. For this weekend's games. All right. Jeff. Thank you. We'll go now for the Houston perspective. Here's our Texans. Reporter Sara barshop. Wendy. This was a move the Texans had to make they lost will fuller on Thursday night against the dolphins. When he tours ACL, and that dramatically changed the circumstances surrounding that deadline before this thing, we're really in the discussion for wide receiver. But after losing their number two receiver they knew that going to this game against Denver. They didn't really have many healthy pass catching options. So by adding Thomas, they give some much-needed death. Now, I talked to a Texans players said he's very explosive and you have to respect him to me that's really important because when beyond your half is on the field. And there's no one else stretching field or helping him out teams are keyed in Hopkins. Now, this trade to Thomas allows them to do the opposite. And it was a bonus for general manager Brian gain and head coach Bill Ryan to do this without giving up huge draft capital because the Texans had it, but they're gonna have some needs after the season. And they didn't have to give up. Round pick like the lions received for gold and tape. All right. Sarah, Jeff, thank you. Let's start with Houston since they on the receiving end of this trade coach finish this sentence by adding Damaris Thomas the Houston Texans do what or big they replaced will fuller in both the deep speed. We're they've gained. Some is Dominica's Thomas is a very big strong physical player. I mean, he can catch things. Go back inside. He's big tall for the red area. He's a little different probably not as much deep speed is. We'll currently has. But Demaria still has that with the added dimension of big catch radius in the big physical pass catcher, which I know Shawn Watson with like and he catches the ball and tight spaces. We'll hear from both of you in just a minute. But first, let's get some reaction from one of Thomas his teammates. Here's what a manual Sanders had to say. Declared has got five years win last. I kind of figured it was going to have you. So I went over hung out with him. He's going to be weird. He's been a luck. Rumors since I got out of your own. So I'm not happy about that. But at the same time as part of business understand, you know, Broncos guy do was best put a Bronco. So I guess, you know, as much earned, you know, beauty the war broke with Denver Broncos. Second challenge. Well, you heard John wet Elway say it is. Well, how will this be received? You never know. It's a change. This is a veteran player a tenured player. But again, I think players to a degree understand field. This business bainer standing including Demaria's Thomas who over the past couple of days. And I think it's fifty fifty that I could be traded. So there's no mystery that the Denver Broncos had been shopping to marry his Thomas for a few days, and I had imagined that Emmanuel Sanders courtroom signing cassette, linen Sutton in case keenum and other Broncos offensive players have been bracing for this moment. Now that does not mean that they don't have a little bit sticker shock right now to marry Thomas in coach foxing confirm. This has been a team captain for multiple years in Denver one of the most respected players on that roster. So when you lose that kind of presence, certainly, it means something the only active player in the NFL was six three years of seventy five or more catches a lot of productivity, but they get and Cortlandt Sutton going up and making contested catches in vertical. Shop lays down the field. Aku Saugus Kansas City that kind of off. That's a little bit. It softens the blow if you will on the field, but to marry his Thomas like nothing but endless pride for him. And what he accomplished in Denver and for Houston a team that has won five streak has a two game losing division. It's a totally sensible move right now, you cannot stay in fat with up as they had in place. LA also said he he told to marry this will be good for you as well. I mean, presumably that's the case. What else are you gonna say really these teams play each other on Sunday? The Broncos say they'll give a big thank you in terms of the Broncos. They also hope it allows them to evaluate Tim some of their younger talent Cortlandt chief among them and gives him some additional opportunities have been playing. Anyway, I mean, they haven't playing with the Mary us on the roster. And so now gives them an opportunity to play more. And you know, Emmanuel Sanders saying well now gives me the chance to be the number one guy. He's been the number one guy this year. I mean, he's he's been foreign away case keenum's favorite target. So I think. Listen, if there's a player, that's that's not upset about it. It be as manual Sanders in that he truly is the featured guy at the wide receiver position for the Broncos. Look, I I think the thing that has stuck out to me not knowing him personally in here in coach talk about him here in John Elway talk about him. Very few times. You are you do that. You're concerned about how this plays in the locker room. I mean, I do think that there is something to that. You know, we sit here we're talking about contracts talk about where they fed do. They help the team that's got to remember relationships are formed in a lot of these guys end up being close. And if it's somebody that is really well respected in terms of being a good player. How he approaches it how he treats the other people in the building. It can't have a really bad effect on your football team your entire team, especially going forward. So to trade away, a guy that's a captain, and well respected is not always a really good thing to do. All right. We saw four trades in the weeks or days leading up to today. We've seen to today. Damari Thomas the first, and then this golden Tate departs Detroit. He leaves the motor city instead. Head to the Philadelphia Eagles. He becomes an additional weapon for Carson Wentz. The giants trae the lion die fixate trading Tate to the eagles. We're joined now by our hall of fame. GM Bill Polian Bill when you look at the back and forth of this. Golden Tate decision. What's your take? Well, it's really interesting. Let's look at it. From the eagles point of view. The only one you can win is the one you can win. Now they needed another receiver who and another player who can provide chunky arted in their offense and not getting the chunk yardage from the running game because of the injuries. They needed a player who could provide that golden Tate. Absolutely can't. He's a rental a third. A high price to play for a potential rental player because he's coming to free agency at the end of the season. But when you're in the hunt to win a world championship as they are. And you have the weapons that they have it is much much better off to pay the price. Then regret having faded and not help you football team. From Detroit's perspective. It's interesting. They it looks like are unwilling to pay a little receiver. Golden Tate is not big and strong and tall and fast. The way some of the patriot receivers, and this is a patriot blueprint. No question about it. They traded for snacks Harrison who's a big player in the middle. So the transition of the lions to the patriot way in terms of how they use personnel. And who they reward seems to be trending ever more in that direction. I bel- we mentioned to Marius Thomas earlier as well. He goes to Houston. John Elway talk. About the decision. I don't know if you heard him, but regardless how does this play out for both these two teams? Well, I heard John, and I respect them greatly. And and obviously, I think he's evidencing whatever general manager feels on a day like today in terms of the marriage Thomas with the Broncos. He was a player who had plateaued. He wasn't going to send anymore Cortlandt Sutton was behind him and needed playing time, and they were in the market therefore for an ability to get something for them while he's still had something left, and when preparation meets up retune ity there, you have a trade to Houston when we'll full it went down. Houston was devoid of a downfield talent devoid of a guy who could make plays opposite. The Andrea Hopkins and here is Demaria's Thomas still plateaued, but not at the end of his career and an ability to step right in and give the Shawn Watson another valuable. Reliable target, and John FOX said it best. He can catch the ball in really tight spaces. He may not be able to separate like a used to. But with those long arms and strong hands. He can make plays on contested bulls. So this was a good trade really for both teams. They'll thank you. And again these two teams play each other on Sunday. Don't go anywhere. We'll get back to you in just a minute right now, though, we turn to Adam Schefter atom under an hour to go. Now, do you hear we'll Wendy forty eight minutes to go into the trade deadline and his Bill Polian pointed out before don't forget that sometimes teams have submitted paperwork by then you remember the failed trade between the Browns and the Bengals last year that involve AJ McCarron that they did not get in in time that were broke out after fifteen minutes after the deadline. So keep it all on the trade deadline at four o'clock. But there could be something afterwards in the minutes after. And of course, we have right now the name that we're watching as we speak. Is that Dante Fowler? The Jacksonville Jaguars defensive. In who is once I believe the third overall pick in the draft who's been a disappointing player so far in Jacksonville is somebody that Jacksonville gotten Kohl's on and looks intent upon dealing. The Jaguars have been asking for two third round draft picks in return for Dante Fowler. We'll see whether they can get that. A lot of people have wondered whether Jacksonville will make a move at quarterback. It will not we've said that before. And it seems to be true now they are rotting out with Blake Bortles and Cody Kessler as their quarterbacks, and they are prepared to move forward. With those two particular players another player to watch as the four o'clock. Trade deadline approaches is time Montgomery in Green Bay with him. Fumbling kickoff in the fourth quarter that denied Aaron Rodgers the chance to go. Get the ball back into beat the unbeaten Los Angeles. Rams. The Packers have taken some Kohl's on time on Gumri. We'll see whether they get a trade partner in the next forty five. Or so minutes, the New York Giants who have been connected to trade talks involving janoris Jenkins and Landon Collins and. VA Vernon don't appear right now to have anything close or percolating at this particular moment. So it looks like the giants are going to stay quiet right now. Wendy, thank you, perhaps the fire sale is complete. We'll be back with you shortly as we make our way through this. Final hour press coverage though right now from our Joe Stena Anderson on another wide receiver on the move. She says I'm told Terrell Pryor is traveling back to buffalo with his current intentions to sign with the bills at this time time, I come reform will the kickoff return late against the Rams it costs Aaron Rodgers and the Packers chance to drive down the field and possibly win that game reports indicated that he had defied his coaches instructions to simply take a knee. So maybe not a huge surprise. The time Comrie has been traded to the Baltimore Ravens. Adam. How did this all come together? We'll Wendy this just in basically the Green Bay Packers just traded time on to the Baltimore Ravens for a seventh round draft pick in two. Twenty twenty. So it's a delayed pick not mistress. But in the next one and the Baltimore Ravens get another offensive weapon that they could use the running back and wide receiver position. Keep in mind that time Montgomery's contract was up after the season. And so the Packers were going to lose him anyway. But the fact that they're willing to trade him. Now shows you how much they were willing to move on from him at this point in time. And also, I think the feeling was mutual when he doubled that kickoff at the end of that game right there that told everybody you saw how upset everybody was in Green Bay that was his last play with the Packers. But the Baltimore Ravens will happily. Give him a fresh start right now. And so there's another trade that's come in before the four o'clock deadline. We now have about forty more minutes to go. It would not be surprised if we still get another trade. I think the next raid to watch his Dante Fowler of the Jacksonville Jaguars with teams calling but time on gummy is the latest player to get traded on this very busy trade deadline day. We've now seen today. To marry his Thomas dill from Denver to Houston, golden Tate dealt from Detroit to Philadelphia and time on Gumri dealt from Green Bay to Baltimore. I had has been a busy day. We continue to wait on our Packers. Reporter rob demoss key. He'll join us shortly. But coach you said it this morning change change with coming in Green Bay with regards to tie Montgomery. You could just tell too much information that was coming out of the Green Bay Packers organization, whether it was from players coaches or whatnot. But I think you know with the emergence of the running back situation there in Green Bay. I think they were they could afford to move on. And I think with Baltimore they've got now in more pass catching oriented type running back to give them another weapon in particularly on third down at three point seven yards for K for Alex Collins so far this season less than three yards per carry for buck Allen so far this season. My my reaction really though is about time on Gumri just the fallout of events the sequence of events, and maybe I just didn't know sort of. How he was perceiving this locker, but I felt like a couple of years ago. This was a guy as recently as last year routinely praised for versatility his toughness to make a position change to go from wide receiver to running back falling out of favor is probably the polite way of putting it right now. And I get it last Sunday. This was a massive change of events that was caused by his poor decision to take the football out of the end zone on kickoff return, but life comes at you fast right now in the NFL and for now, maybe the big winner in Green Bay side is Aaron Jones who twelve carries eighty six yards and a touchdown last week. Finally got his shot. He should be very busy. And it starts this Sunday at a game that I understand that. It's not technically a must win. But you might as well call it that for the Packers who are in the midst of a four of five games on the road stretch. It's amazing how things can change quickly. When you go from being a guy that they are trying to find a way to get on the field to being a guy that they are replacing doesn't time on a receiver. Who is a good returner who they like how? This guy on the field. That's make him a running back. And then he was featured. And all of a sudden you're watching Aaron Jones Jamal Williams play. And all of a sudden, maybe you don't like being agreement Packers much as it seemed like he thought you did. I mean, that's typically how it happens players. I'm not I'm not assassinating this character either. Because he did like you said to me I was there in that division when he went from receiver to running back when they were completely out of running back. So I think it's just the timing of it could work out both for both teams fall from grace. I agree with you feel that is a polite way of that is a tough play by the way to injure a career in Green Bay on. But nevertheless, that's the case. Rob do Moskvy. What more can you add here? Well, Wendy, even before Montgomery had the fumbled kickoff. His role had been greatly reduced. He only played six snaps against the Rams on Sunday. His last play before the fumbled kickoff was an incomplete pass. And that's what he came off the sideline very frustrated very upset told us yesterday. In the midst of all the talk about the fumble that he doesn't know what is role is on this eve and clearly the role had been reduced this the guy who did sacrifice himself as he said he loved he made the move in season midseason from receiver to running back for the good of the team. And he said he'd look I know it could affect the late that my career, but I'm going to do it. It is a hard ending. But look with the emergence of Aaron Jones the reliability of Jamal Williams in pass protection. It really made time Gummer's role limited. And then the kickoff return. The fumble the decision to bring it out when he shouldn't have was really just the final straw. The Packers are though Wendi just a little thin at halfback now with just only those two guys on the. Roster. Unclear what Levy on bell will rejoin dealers he has yet to sign. His franchise tender that means he cannot be traded before today. Four o'clock eastern deadline, and then no player can be traded after death jet by has fast. And we've got about thirty two minutes is ready. That deadline Jeremy Fowler. I loved the best part of my day. How are you? Whereas Levy bell. When if he coming what do, you know? Wendy. It's going to bring some sunshine here in Pittsburgh. But Levy on Bill is not expected to be traded by that four pm deadline. Let something crazy happens in the next half hour, but bell has not taken a physical. He is not signed. And you can't trade an unsigned player. And so the Steelers are expected to stand Pat, and they are open to bell writing out this year with the Steelers as one source told me of Bill shows up and he plays. Well, then everybody's happy. And they'll himself doesn't want to be traded. He wants to be a Steeler long-term. He told me he didn't think there were any major suitors out there in the month of October. And so they got to figure out a way to play James Connor and lady on bell now on the cornerback front. I thought the Steelers might look into making some moves there they need help. Artie burns has struggled as the second cornerback opposite Joe Haden. But I am told that they are not expected to make a move for generis Jenkins or the other big name Cornerbacks out there again unless something changes drastically at the deadline. They're not intrigued enough to make a major move at that front. Ben route. This burger really quick on the injury front has a left index finger fracture. But he's expected to play on Sunday. All right. Jeremy, thank you. Again. That's his left hand is non throwing hand. We appreciate it. Anything changes? You know, get back in touch. We'd appreciate it. Adam schefter. What what can you add? We'll thirty minutes to the trade deadline, Wendy and right now. Jacksonville's fielding calls on Dante Fowler. It's been asking for two third round picks in return for the former first overall for the four former third overall pick also two other wide receiver notes the lions have restructured the contract of Marvin Jones, freeing up two point two million dollars in catch base and a short time ago the Seattle Seahawks released veteran wide receiver Brandon Marshall who absolutely wants to continue playing shift. There's a team out there. There's looking for a receiver then replacement Brandon Marshall now available Wendy, all right, shefty. Brandon Marshall available again, we are right about the half hour. Mark. Let's circle back to Levy on bell for just a minute field. What's your your take on the way there scenario plays out? Now that like for all intents and purposes, he won't be traded. We've been spending so much time. We said this earlier on might have even been in the previous show at this point of the trade deadline countdown that forever. We were thinking what is the Steelers plan for lady on? Bell? How are they approaching situation with lady, I'm bell? They're approaching it like this for now on the balls of his court. We are rolling along with James Connor and the rest of our offense of artillery until or unless lady on bell shows up because there's nothing they can do it feels as though one person one person only knows what lady unbalanced going to do for now. And that's and I think that we can concede that lady on chain plans might change in his own mind. But the day by the hour by the minutes. Yeah. Look at all the money. He has relinquished to this point. And I understand that this is always been about twenty nine thousand nine m beyond for lady on bell. But it's clear now that if you're the Steelers like you have already moved on from lady on bell. But week to week you're moving on from it, you are and you use the term rolling along and under cells. What James CONNER has done? I mean, he's been fantastic. I would not call him adequate. It's not as if he's stepped in and sort of stopped the Daleus. He has been exceptionally productive coach, I think it's the big turnaround in the Pittsburgh Steelers season, you know, both in the run. Game as well as as a pass receiver. So you know, the benefit of this has been James Connor. And that's why they drafted him. And that's why he was picked again. What on does not sure I was back in little surprise at Jimmy followed in walk-off when asked about living. It's been a while. But I think Pittsburgh very position, you know, living on when he comes in again, if he's serious about wanting to remain a Steeler, it's going to be important how he conducts himself over this next eight or nine weeks or however long the season goes to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Look, I mean, I think have been clear his desire because I think that it's been hard for a lot of people understand why he would forfeit is much money. He's forfeited this season, his desires to be healthy and have a crack at free agency in two thousand nineteen. I mean, and he is banking on the fact that somebody is going to sign him to a long term deal. And if he's essentially looking to kind of at least what it seemed like he was looking for was to blow the running back market kind of out of the water. I don't get the sense that this year has helped that I mean, and obviously he's going to report it some point because in order to get that path to free agency needs to be on. Roster for at least six games. So that's correct. And so I think when you look at that. You know, I would think that eighteen that's going to invest long-term in a lot of guaranteed money is going to want to see him play the season at some point at some level rather than have an entire year off. I think it's gonna be interesting to see this play out if it may very well work, okay and two thousand nine hundred ninety protected in its entirety. But you don't know. I think this will we curious to watch. As we go forward press coverage from Justin Anderson again with more wide receiver news. She says I'm told bucks wide receiver to Sean Jackson has been told by the team. He will not be traded. And at this point. There is thirty minutes to go in the NFL trade deadline, twenty one minutes. Thirty seconds to go, Adam Schefter, more news. What you've got will where do this just came in moments ago? But basically the Jacksonville Jaguars just traded Dante Fowler to the loss. Angeles Rams for a third round pick in twenty one thousand nine hundred and a fifth round pick in twenty twenty two draft picks and. Exchange for the former third overall pick. And basically the Rams had been looking for somebody to rush to quarterback from the edge. They believe that Don Fowler. We'll be able to do that. Now, Jacksonville and open to get to those round picks back in return. You see why the trait remain where did three and a five Rams did not want to pour with two threes. But they did want to get that pass rusher. Dante Fowler with somebody that they identified he's had some character issues down in Jacksonville. But he does have talent it somebody at the Rams felt that they needed to try to continue this own beaten season to get somebody to match up with indomitable sue and Aaron Donald and Michael Brock along their front line. And they think that Wade Phillips the defensive coordinator can't get that type of pass rush out of him. And I'm thanking the rich get richer. We will turn now to former GM Bill. Paulie abell? What's thought process here? If you're the Jacksonville Jaguars will Fowler had been a disappointment on and off the field in Jacksonville hadn't produced. He was not a starter. And he had some difficulties off the field. So this was a question of cutting ties with a player who who they really had been disappointed in the. Essentially, a third the fifth is a is a sweetener that just makes it look better. And so you've traded a guy who is essentially a nonproductive number one of for third round pick. That's what it boils down to. And sometimes you're better off in Jacksonville's case with addition by subtraction. And then in the case of the Rams that they didn't pay terribly high price for player who does have talent. But has not shown it does far with any degree of consistency on or off the field bell. Thank you addition by subtraction. Is exactly what I thought of. If you believe he's been a disappointment. I in terms of the character issues end the production on the field. But I you know, if you're the Rams. How good is this team thrall in play that they are on your list chips. You're on the table. They are fantastic there. Ain't no right now, they have an offense that continues to find ways to stress a defense that they haven't previously put on film week-to-week, which is part of why they're so difficult to defend and prepare for, but what I would say about the defensive front is that the best way to apply apply pressure to a quarterback is by doing so much different angles. You've got to play records, and John and soon Aaron Donald who leads the NFL ten sack so far this season. I don't want to say the Dante Fowler has been a dominant player. He's shown flashes. He's had one good season. He's also had his Bill Luda to some behavioral issues a player that was suspended for a week of training camp this year, for example, but a change of scenery can do really well for people at some points, and he gets away from Jacksonville where he was not an afterthought, but wasn't a primary focal point of their pass rush every single week in the way that the Rams are going to need them to be right now in Los Angeles. Like, it makes sense to take the risks to be honest with you eat sax last year. The guy that can get close to double digits axes not easy to do. And so I think that that is significant I think the issue there is that for whatever reason doesn't didn't fit in with the team. You know, he wasn't a starter. I think that was an issue for him. There are a lot of big personalities on that defense. And sometimes you know, that doesn't always match but he's had two sacks on the season. But hasn't played thirty snaps in a single game this year for Jackson wasn't even playing for Jacksonville. So I think for from Jacksonville's perspective, the guy that didn't appear to be well liked in the locker room was playing a very limited role for you. And it makes sense to to get rid of them. I guess at that point didn't pick up his fifth year option in. So that's what you were dealing with Fowler. And then at least for the Rams like there's a guy that at least has shown that he can get close to being double digit sack guy. I think again, it's it's obviously disappointing for Jacksonville. I'm talking about the pick and currency. They used to take valor. But you know, the one thing I'll say about the Rams is less knee in in the Rams is. A total organization are and. Had gone out. And they've made those changes and they've really been pretty good inside with their pass rush. But they haven't had that outside element that really's been matchup problem. And then I heard they were kind of looking for something available on the outside. And I think it's a good mix for them to for third and fifth. Well, it's interesting for Dante fell at first time out of Florida. Born in Florida plays college football flora Jacksonville. Because he's not just going to Georgia, Tim. No, he's going away the country. That's right. All right. As we continue to approach. The trade deadline October has already seen eight trade steak place, including a couple of giants moves ally. Apple as well as Damon snacks Harrison changing teams, and we have matched last year's October trade total of eight there was speculation really leading into the early part of this week Jordan Vernon as we say Hello that the giants weren't done that there would continue to be if you will a fire sale, sixteen minutes to go. I would say probably that. That's not the case. Yeah. That's fair to say right now if anyone's gonna get moved at this point, it looks like it would probably be generis Jenkins. So he's a guy who's proven to be a Pro Bowl cornerback who could help team he is a fairly reasonable contract. Two more years left after this. But this year not overly expensive. So a team like the teeth might be able to fit him in especially for this year and make a run on it. That's a team you here with interest in some of the giants defense backs. Now, another player teams have called about has been landing count. But this is a player the giants don't necessarily want to get rid of now. Maybe would they have done it if the right offer came that blew them away. Sure, probably let's the same with a lot of guys on the roster. But the giants very high asking price apparently for Landon Collins, and he doesn't appear to be going anywhere at this point same with guys live EA Vernon and even manning. Remember, he has that no trade clause in really zero market firm at this point. So the giants look like they're moves primarily we're done. Last week with and Damon Harris. Week nine football matchup a crucial one between three and fourteen coming off the bye in Dallas. It's the titans and Cowboys and the Dallas debut for Mario Cooper, eight fifteen eastern five fifty on ESPN simul, captain Spanish on ESPN two quick look at what we seemed to day to marry Thomas a Bronco. No more Denver extending comets to the Texans. These two teams each other in Denver on Sunday. The Broncos day they will honor to marry you. After that, we saw golden Kate headed out of the motor steady. He leaves Detroit bound to join the rating Super Bowl champion Tiba comes and fish no weapon for Carson Wentz that t- arrives to the eagles taivon's. Fumbled. A kickoff return late against the Los Angeles. Rams it caught Aaron Rodgers Dan the Packer the chance to drive down the field and score. And so with reports indicating time Montgomery had his it his coaching decisions. Are he is headed to the Baltimore Ravens tie Montgomery traded as well. And then the final trade we've seen so far without fifteen minutes to go Dante junior having been a disappointment in Jacksonville both on and off the field. He said it to Los Angeles. Rams. He was born in Florida played college ball there. So the first time he leaves the state of Florida to play football, Adam Schefter. We're still Belling here. We got some time. Do we have another trade? Yeah. We do. The deadline and the Green Bay Packers have traded ha ha Clinton Dix to the Washington Redskins. We do not know the exact compensation return yet. But ha ha Clinton Dix who had been rumored to be dealt from Green Bay has now been traded into the Packers have cap, they're busy afternoon with trades. Trading time Montgomery to the Baltimore Ravens for a seventh round. It can twenty twenty and Clinton Dix to the Washington Redskins who have been the lowest polls out during the trade deadline. We seem to giant straight away player. We've seen the Cowboys straight for March Cooper. We seen the Philadelphia Eagles trade for golden tape. And now the first place Redskins Charlie joined the party, and they have traded for a ha ha Clinton Dix to help fortify their secondary a busy day in that Packers front office. And you just saw the tweet from ha ha Clinton Dixie tweeted just a few moments ago much love, y'all. It wasn't fact a busy trade deadline day. You can see the recap. We've got one two three four five trade today. And then we saw a number of notable names moved even before today. So all in all an active trade season. Bill Polian back with us for a final time. I'll ask you your biggest takeaway from today. Well, golden take to the eagles. I think they get a guy. Do the eagles who can make big plays with the ball in his hand running it from the slot catching it they get chunky yardage back that they lost in the running game in another way and at a reasonable price. I am chapter. Plenty got gun today is expected, but you know, what they were number feels left on the table as well. What Wendy look we've been waiting for the New York Giants to make another trait as of right now a few minutes before the trade deadline. The giants having traded anybody the Oakland Raiders having traded anybody else as well. The Arizona Cardinals some people speculated could be moving on from Patrick Peterson day on beginning. They haven't done anything right now. The Jacksonville Jaguars did not do anything at the quarterback position. Also mild surprise, but the Packers metoo moves today. Trading. Ha ha Clinton Dix to the Washington Redskins and tie Montgomery to the Baltimore Ravens for twenty twenty seventh round draft pick. And of course, it's almost four o'clock and still no official word from levian bell. Which means he's not going to be traded from Pittsburgh this season. He's still has not shown up at the Steelers training facility. We have no idea. Exactly. When Libya, I'm Bill weir report. So even though there's been this flurry of activity, some things just remain exactly as we would expect. With levy. I'm bell. Thank you, shefty as we're under the three minute, Mark. Now, I do feel like Jeremy Fowler ships. Get some sort of hazard pay for having to ask Mike Tomlin about Levy on balance hill. This thing gets wrapped up. Now. We're looking at really at a two week deadline for bell in order for him to return and then vest for the season. I'll just ask you around the table. What what do you take away from today? A couple of things. Look, I understand the golden take trade. I think you look at the defensive front, Brandon Graham, Chris long, Michael Bennett. Hello de NADA like Ila old players. And so I think it up a third round pick for a guy that you're going to have for eight games to me that ended up seeing like it was a lot, especially when you consider you know, kind of just the way their roster set up. I'm not saying golden take can help him. I think he will. But you also have a twenty five year old quarterback that you want to be good for the next decade. It's not just about making a run in my estimation. The threat I like the most Damaris Thomas because I like it on both sides. I think it was perfect for the Broncos to see young players play. And obviously a need for the Texans. Coach. Well, I think you know, again, the aggressiveness of the Rams going on. Getting Dante Fowler. I think that's kind of maybe the missing piece of the puzzle that they didn't really address in the off season. Like they did their corner. You got keep Toledo coming back. I think fortunately soon the guy I'm really happy for because it's never easy being traded is Thomas because I think you really liked Shawn Watson, and he'll like the organization of the Houston Texans veteran presence in that locker room for a long time in Denver. So it'll raise him eyebrows. But it's a it's the way it works. You have final trade that we saw the most recent one that we saw was ha Clinton Dix going from the Packers to the Redskins or the Packers trade away to players and time, Montgomery and Clinton Dix. But I liked this move for the Washington Redskins. You just wearing from playing terrific football for them at a couple of interceptions in recent notable games. And this is a team that we know without up front. They have held over the past three games. Saquon Barkley Zeke, Elliot and Christian McCaffrey to ninety one combined rushing yards but being good affront bean stout in the middle of the defense. It's not just having good defensive lineman. It's been good all the way at all three levels that they've really fortified a second. Or that's been a surprise. So far this season in a positive way. Well, let me ask you this. You heard Adam Schefter talk about the deals. It didn't get done a team that didn't make a move that. We speculated might was New England. How active were they feel that? Now, you're plugged in. There certainly been pretty active always making calls and exploring options for them. I think ultimately when you play a Monday night game does impact or Tuesday trade deadline and Bill it they played last night. But the patriots have certainly found their footing offensively now comes down with it. They can tighten things up on defense. We have these guys get their paperwork and on time. Coach we've seen that movie before make sure everything's working signed sealed and delivered. We're literally just seconds away. So I guess that. That's that. Right here. We'd love to we feel for you. And eventually, we'll see Levy bell. We're out guide.

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Big Blue Big Board: Matt Harmon of Yahoo! Sports talks wide receivers

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Big Blue Big Board: Matt Harmon of Yahoo! Sports talks wide receivers

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And yeah, I mean, this is obviously the perfect podcast to be talking about wide receivers as as this particular team is very much in the news right now for for big wide receiver, moose, I think we will have a lot to talk about a lot of different angles on pack. Your this morning. You had said you didn't wanna spend an hour on your own podcast trashing the giants. So we thought you give you ours. I appreciate it. Yeah. I don't wanna I don't wanna spend an hour. Trashing the giants on my own podcast. So I'll go on different ones and like spend fifteen minutes here fifty minutes there. I think that's a much healthier way to go about it. Yeah. Well, we we spend quite a bit of time doing that. Especially over the last couple of weeks. So let's start with what has gotten us to really talk about wide receivers because about a week ago. We wouldn't have thought why receiver would be something the giants would need to think about but it will be going forward. So let's start with Odal Beckham. Now, I think one thing when you of cover a team, I think is especially to fans you kind of lose context around what else is going on league wide. So you kind of over look some of what is happening on your team. So just as someone who wide receivers more as a whole just tell us how rare owed L Beckham junior is. I mean. I mean, unbelievably rare, which is why this trade is so startling an especially given what they got form, which I know. Dave Gettleman quotes were hitting the Twitter timeline this morning, and he was pretty much saying it was an offer they couldn't refuse. Dave. I mean, I think you really could refuse amid first-round pick the not just the earliest Brown's third round pick. But the the second third round pick that they owned this coming year and a box safety who's basically just the downgraded version of the guy. You just let walking free agency. I think you could probably have have refused that offer. But again, that's just my opinion. But going back to Beckham I mean, yeah, this is a player that I don't say this for too many players, but he is on a clear hall of fame trajectory, and I say this for not many players in the NFL either in terms of wide receivers. They're very few guys that I think actually truly dictate coverages, you know, obviously beyond just your vertical threats who make teams adjusts. Deep down the field passes that are gonna be coming from teams number one receivers at really dictate I have to double these guys on a decent portion of their routes. I have to you know, conc- that a player across the field is going to beat me in order for me to stop this player. There's a really I know that terms like double coverage. I mean, even people talk about triple teams, which never happens in the NFL. But because then you really would be conceding yards and points. But he will talk about who's going to be double covered at all times. But there's very few guys in all the years. I've studied wide receivers that I've noticed that is a sustainable, you know, game by game consistent effect, but Odell Beckham absolutely one of those players, and that's just again accounting to what he does to the defense without even thinking about what he does is an individual player, and he's one of the best wide receivers in the game. If not the best when it comes to separation route running I think it's Antonio Brown and Odell Beckham is the two standards over the last five years that I've been doing Recep. Perception, which you mentioned off the top is too wide receiver charting methodology that I came up with right track. Route running how often each layer runs each particular out often they get open on each route house, and they get open against different forms of coverages. And I mean Beckham is still pristine as elite in these metrics. I mean, he owns the two best success rate. Verse man coverage scores over the five years that I've been charting back in his rookie season and this past season. So there's there's really not been any falloff there. And by the way, he's never finished below the ninety eighth percentile success reversed press coverage. So there's pretty much nobody in the NFL. It's better at getting off the line of scrimmage against press coverage back. I mean, this is a truly rare elite player who makes everything around him better. And it's it's hard to overstate what a loss it is for the giants. What a gain it is for the Browns and just to give some people who might not know, max work. He was one of the first people to look at Odio Beckham at LSU and say, hey this. This kid's gonna be something. He broke my methodology. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, especially early in the NFL too, or he really even had the catch, you know, in which to national media heights that I don't think he ever saw coming that. I don't think any of us really saw coming matter. No matter how good you thought. He was going to be coming out of college. And I did think he was better than prospects. Like, Mike Evans that came out at your that went higher than him. I thought he was pretty much. I mean, right there with a lot of really like Sammy Watkins, and I thought Beckham was right up there too. And you could see them early and L, showings, at this was a player that was getting open, you know, again, like the ninety ninth hundred percentile in terms of success rate. Verse man covers even before we had that big breakout. Catch. He was a guy that was beating defenders weekend weak out consistently getting separation, and that is who's been throughout the entirety of his F O crew. I mean, really the only thing that slows him down is injuries. And that's about it and quarterback play when it comes to the box score. So. With that. Now, we know what the giants. Are we using an obviously they cannot replace that. Because of how rare that is you cannot replace Oto Beckham junior. So let's talk about now what the giants have left on the Russ or with what they were left with after the treat and something they added us, let's dive into sterling shepherd. He's someone who I mean. I think we all as people who watch in cover the giants. Like, a what a yes that slot outside versa to the not so much going to be really number one guy. So is there anything that stands out to you Incirlik shepherds game, I really like sterling shepherd. He's another player that going back to their college film. I really really appreciated. He was a player who showed the ability to get open against man coverage. I if you still has the best success rate verse man coverage score among all prospects that I've charted so he's definitely another guy that like Beckham cr- not in the same level of Beckham. But creates that easy separation gets you runs. Clean routes is a good all around pro and he hasn't necessarily developed into a star wide receiver. But he's definitely a really good high end contributor that. I like a lot. He's had several good seasons here again in passing offense that I do think has been hampered by bad quarterback play. And he's not just your run of the mill slot receiver, like, a, coal Beasley type. I mean. This is a player who going back to two thousand eighteen season in receptor or two thousand seventeen season excuse me in reception perception, he posted a fifty six percents success rate on nine routes of seventy percent on the post routes. He is a player who can get vertical can get loosened make bigger plays. You also is really strong at the catch point. I think that's probably the underrated part of his game. Is it not only is he got gets opened with clean route running. But he's got who finishes up there with like an eighty one percent contested catch score. And that's very good for a guy that isn't one of these big hulking receivers. Again, he has the aspects of timing of when to get his hands up there to win the ball in the air. How to just? Shield off defenders despite not having the biggest frame, you know, he profiled very similarly in terms of contested catch receiver to guy like Micheal Thomas, and again, I mean, they're frames could not be any more different. So it really is all about technique Huss or the player like sterling shepherd. That's why you know, the giants aren't totally sunk at the wide receiver position with him still there. I do think he is an ascending young player that maybe it another step. It'd be a guy who handles one hundred twenty to one hundred twenty five targets now. And that's not so bad. If you're someone that really wants to see him produce. But the question really is for the giants are is how how are they going to manufacture passing production outside the numbers? You know, how are they gonna manufacturer more downfield passing? Because again, that's not really the epicenter of sterling Shepard's game. He's more of that clean route runner over the middle. And I hope they do continue to use them in the slot. More outside just on occasion. Because that really is the strength of his game. I think they're. Is a lot more questions beyond Serling shepherd in the giant passing. Who again, I do think is really really good young player that I hope we don't get too caught up in trashing the giants not remember this is still a very good young player. You mentioned how important his technique was now is there anything technique wise or anything of that that you see in his games a slot receiver that translates to potentially more reps on the outside because the giants just signed someone who plays the slot even more which will get into golden Tate in a minute. But I just want to see if you think shepherd has any untapped upside. As a true wide receiver. Yeah. I think so I mean, I wouldn't rule it out again. I do think that his strength is what he does slot. What he does over the middle of the field. So that would be where I consider him to be used at his most awesome appoint, but he hasn't been a player. That's been a total schlub as a guy against press. Coverage. In fact, is thousand sixteen he had a seventy six percents. Exasperate verse press coverage Makati thousand seventeen he's right around sixty seven percent. So those are both above league average scores. So I don't think he is a Randall Cobb type player who like if you played him on the outside is just absolutely not going to work someone like a Jamison Crowder who's exclusively a slot receiver. I think he can get open against outside men coverage corners, he gives that really good detail route runner most of his career has been as a slot receiver. Which is why I think most people will say that the signing of golden Tate, dusty Ling, credibly redundant. If feels like they already have that player. I think both of these guys can take some snaps outside at flanker. Really what the giants will need is the split end x receiver Beckham, even at different points of his time was playing a lot of flanker instead of playing the ex receiver position, which helps you get that free released helps you. Face less press coverage on route two route basis, so they're losing just an outside receiver in general. And they might have these two guys as options to step up at the flanker position. Really what I think they'll be looking at in the draft. Especially is who's that guy that we can get as a commanding outside threaten. And honestly, the the question though, that comes to mind this this down to to brass tacks of you really think they've Gettleman has a plan. I mean, he insists that he has a plan. Right. It looks like right now they're collecting a lot of over the middle weapons. A lot of guys that are going to be used on short passes, golden Tate and sterling Shepard whether we think they can especially shepherd more. So the Tate I think can be more successful outside can be guy who can get down the field a little bit. But most of his downfield success has come out of the slot. So I don't know that you're necessarily going to be wanting to run sterling Shepard on post nine routes coming off the coming off the outside. So are they just conceding? The fact that ally manning at this point. Though, they still think he's good, which I don't share that opinion. But Dave clearly does there are they just going to concede? The fact that even though we still like him. He's not an outside the numbers hats or he's not downfield passer. Are they even going to look at that need in the draft. I don't know because right now they have three weapons who do excel over the middle of the inevitably grim. Sterling Shepard in golden Tate in his that just going to be the focal point of the offense. And of course, saquon Barkley coming out of the backfield as a good short area receiver to I don't know. They might not see the same Nita for outside receiver that we did. Yeah. Possibly they might be okay. Within a dot of like five this season. And that just might be how the offense goes. So you brought up golden Tate a little bit let let's dive into hin because even if they're not redundant of Tate and shepherd. I think a lot of their straits do overlap and part of that. I think we've brought up the possibility of as much as you said, and we also like sterling shepherd that he's in the last year of his rookie deal. He might not even be. Giant in twenty nine thousand nine we don't know that. So let's get into golden Tate. What you've seen from him over his career. I know he didn't really fit super well with the eagles when they tried to work him into the offense. So what is he right now at this point is career? This kind of got on my radar a little bit. When my colleagues res- paler tweeted out before free agency that a guy like golden Tate or Adam Humphreys is going to be asking for ten to fourteen million dollars per year on the open market people really trash that. And maybe it's because a lot of people don't know who Adam Humphreys is. And maybe that was mainly the the backlash of the tweet, but for golden Tate. I mean, obviously, his run with the eagles didn't work out at all. I thought that was a weird trade for the eagles because they clearly need vertical threat. Not another slow or see you're here to get. You can come back to the same point that we just made with the giants. I think Nelson angle are and golden Tate a lot of their strengths overlap. So it wasn't confusing. Trait of the time and often we see wide receivers outside of Mario Cooper. Who is definitely a bit of an exception to this rule. Why was he was not necessarily switch teams in the middle of season or even late in training camp? And then immediately comfort up with their new team. It's a lot to figure out especially if you have no familiarity with the quarterback, I know by the way, especially if that quarterback is also influx with injuries as he wasn't Philadelphia. Because I think what people forget about is golden Tate. Not only was he a good player in twenty seventeen. But he was still on pace for a great season in Detroit before they oddly just shift him out. He was on pace for a hundred catches over eleven hundred yards. He was averaging more yards per game than at any other point in his Detroit career. So it's a sense two thousand fourteen his for season there. So to me, I thought the Tate got a little bit disrespected on the open market. I mean, he ended up with a good deal from the giants. But he's got an even though he's thirty years old. He can still really contribute. And I again, I hope that the. Shade. It's being thrown onto the giants for the weird signing that is golden because of the archetype player that he has a relapse of the Arctic player, Shirley shepherdess doesn't discount for the fact that Tate. I think is still a really good player who just kinda has a nasty stink on him right now because things didn't go well, Billy. But if we rewind you know, to back in September October nobody's talking about golden Tate as a guy who's about the fall. So to me, I think that again, he's not he's not the guy that I prefer to be on the outside at prefer that to be throwing shepherd if one of these two that moved to that flanker position. But he has still got I really do think in play. I think in a, you know, not necessarily look taking the rest of the situation of the context is a good signing for any team yet. The giants do have a couple of guys who might be able to play that x receiver position on the even ridge of a two million dollar original round tender, which wound up being causing some confusion because it was. First round pick to Corey Coleman and overnight they resigned. Cody Lattimore, should we care about either of those two guys probably not I definitely don't care about Cody Latimer at this point me. You know, he's a guy who was people really liked him coming out of college. I was one of them. I thought this this comparison sounds bad now because he also didn't turn out to be good fro but back in two thousand fourteen or two thousand thirteen Michael Floyd. But he was going to be a really good NFL player. And I thought Cody Latimer. Look exactly like Michael Floyd it his college tape and again, either one of these guys ended up being good at a player. So maybe that tells you something, but they're straight overlap. Yeah. Right. I mean, I guess so, but like in terms of cutting he's the guy that people really like coming out of college. But the only thing he really ever developed was you know, a lot of training camp hype and special teams play. So by the time that he's out there is a third receiver for the job. Playing that extra Seaver spot. They're just kind of wasting a spot on on offense. There's really nothing that Lattimer is bringing to the table as an actual receiver, especially when you're such an eleven personnel heavy team. Now, I think there is a case to be made that the extra Seaver position is a little overrated or you can get around not having a great player there. If you think back to at his offense in two thousand seventeen with the Minnesota Vikings, they primarily ran through a flanker wide receiver Seth on digs a big thought receiver, Adam Phelan, and I think that, you know, going into two thousand eighteen it was very fair to say that you know, out Beckham was their plus version of Steph on I love step on days. But beckons obviously a bit of better player so used their plus version of that guy and inserting shepherd sort of develop into their Adam Phelan and even Evan Ingram. Could chip in doing some of the things that Adam the'll did as well. And. They were really just not going to be all concerned about the extra Seaver position. Just like Minnesota really wasn't running out. Michael Floyd who were just talking about back in that season or a guy like Liqun Treadwell who nobody really has hope for developing into good pro at this point, though, I think that there's a reason there's a bit of an maybe they can do a downgraded version. They could have been the upgraded version of that. Now, they're definitely be the downgrade version of that with Tate and shepherd as the slot and flanker. And really just not all that worried about that extra Seaver position. But I think you gotta have something out there. You can't just have Cody Latimer again, maybe that's Gordy Coleman. But his only real showing as an ex receiver did come with the Cleveland Browns. And it was an awful show. I mean, his rookie year is one of the worst ever that I have in reception perception history. He's down there below sixty percent success rate. Verse man, coverage just not a guy that. It really showed a lot of you know, a knack for the position. So maybe he takes some massive leap. But I would be super skeptical about that nicer. I I'm at least open to the idea of caring about a Corey Coleman. You know, bounce back to being at least a contributor. I'm not holding out hope that he's going to be a star. But I think they have to address that at least a little bit in the NFL draft. Again, the giants like disagree with you on that notion. I kind of feel they disagree with all of us. That is clear that is very clear. So before we get into some of the draft guys might have stood out to you. I wanna talk to you about little bit of your philosophy. You have in grading some of these wide receivers and just other pass catchers specifically, I wanna talk about your book on drops. I know this is something you've talked about in the past. And it's something I agree with you with. And it's something that I think at times over the past two three years there have been giants fans who have been disappointed in Beckham and sterling shepherd this year. Evan Ingram, especially this year about how many drops they have. But could you just kind of walk us through how you view drops. And what it actually means just in the the bubble of valuing what receiver does. Yes. So I wrote a piece on my website back Debaecker, banter dot com about wide receiver drops negativity bias if anybody's interested in kind of reading my full thoughts, they can find that. They are still searching you'll be you'll be able to figure it out. And I. I think that one thing that's interesting to me is that gonna come back to that negatively by Beckham's actually, a great sample because you mentioned this. You know, someone tweeted to me what I was taught when I was tweeting out these great reception perception stats about Beckham about how much separation he get somebody replied, you know, he drops too many easy passes. And I looked up yet three drops of last year. Like, oh, wow. You know? I mean, what what what an outrageous number. I know in previous years he's been up there like eager something. But again think about that in the grand scheme of all the greatness Oto Beckham brings you know, if he's a guy who's going to be targeted a hundred fifty one hundred sixty times something like that. Yeah. He's gonna drop passes. I it's just a reality of playing the position. I think that one thing again, it is that negatively by is that we see the drop especially from a great player, and we have that very visceral. Negative, reaction and human beings just tend to emphasize negative events more so than positive events such typical some that you're gonna find reading any sort of brain science. And I think that that negatively by six with us when we see those drops, but we categorize those in a much different way. We categorize, you know, a great curl route. It's run on a second down that gets you a first down. You know, you're not gonna have as great of positive reaction to just your run of the Bill playing even take it away from just a catch like oh Becca running a tremendous Robin draws two defenders. Yeah. And he doesn't get the ball thrown his way. But somebody else does your brain is obviously not crediting Beckham with that. Because you don't see it happen happens on the field. But you don't watch it on the Sunday and process it all that same time. But if they target Belk on a slant, route, you know, any drops it or whatever your brain is gonna mmediately take that negative, and and really it's gonna sit with you. So I tend to try to look. Beyond what a wide receiver does beyond just when they're getting targeted. And that leads you to really under emphasize drops like for some players people will bring up to drop the ball too much. Everybody brings up Ted Ginn. But then you failed to mention that Ted Ginn has made a positive impact on the last two offenses at he's been on Carolina. He was a good player in New Orleans. He's been a good player to despite the fact that he drops the ball. He brings verifiable rare deep game ability that not everybody brings and other players that people bring up to, you know, you'll bring up Greg little or someone like that Bill little, you know, he the reason that he washed out of the league is because not only did he drop the ball. But he couldn't do anything else to make his Trump's worth living with somebody like an Odell Beckham Leica. Ted get you'll much lesser extent. They meduse something beyond the drops to make those drops those negative place where living with and I would just much rather emphasize what a player can do over what they can't do. Awesome. So vol, we get you down. Let's. Talk about some things that players can do. And as we look to the draft. I'm not sure if this is it's not a strong elite wide receiver class. But I think through some of these players there's a decent amount of death and all of them probably bring something that can contribute to an NFL offense. So as you've been going through your scouting process through these receivers who has stood out to you so far. Yeah. One guy that I was so one thing I'm really focusing on dementia with drops another thing that I've really honed in on the wide receiver position is not necessarily, you know, giving players pass fail grades on some sort of archaic NFL standard of what we think players should be able to do what they should do. But really properly categorizing them into roles. I've mentioned a ton of this podcast of difference between the X receiver the flanker and the slot receiver. And I think that some of these players that I haven't necessarily been all that high on like juju Smith Schuster. A great example coming out of college. You know, he was a player who exclusively played on the outside wind up on one side of the field. And I didn't think that he had the vertical ability the necessary like the great route running to get off press coverage to really hack it as an outside receiver in the NFL. But what I failed to realize was when I failed to do is be more imaginative with the role that he could be in. And I think that that was and again, we've seen him be a totally different player for the Pittsburgh Steelers. He's been that big slot receiver flanker guy. Not at all the position that he played at USC. So I think that's one thing is watching these guys almost more concerned with what role are they gonna play where they gonna fit within the context of that role more. So than just who is good as who is who is that at one point in that I've immediately been drawn to from that perspective is Nicole Harry out of Arizona state because I think he shares a lot of similarities to juju Smith Schuster. I think if you're going to draft to kill Harry, you're gonna wanna use him as a big. Flowers. You're gonna wanna use him as a flanker, you know, very much like Smith Schuster, even like later career, Larry FitzGerald the way they've used him. As almost like a pseudo tight end in a way, I think that Harry could be a good player that doesn't fit with the giants. What they need. I was mentioning got over stock slot receivers at this point or using exactly what they need which nothing. Receiver. Let's keep that aid dot down, man. Now, let's keep it under four be totally in the Gabbard zone. I think that that that he's someone that I'm really drawn to in that way because I don't necessarily think he has the ability press coverage to get off outside defenders. But I do think he is tough. I think he's rugged over the middle. I think he separates really well against nickel corners against linebackers. And again, that's what we've seen a lot of what she's missed Schuster's done can good after the catch. He's been hard to take down in that in that fashion. These also been good at the catch point in those are two verifiable strengths at Harry has. Now, if we're looking at receivers if the giants probably need to look at I think a lot of people will point to decay met Klaff is that type of guy who can be that big extra Seaver. And I think that's certainly possible. He needs to do a lot of development in terms of just running, you know, more routes than you necessarily. But also there's a lot of ways that you could use a player like that. You know, think of how? The Cleveland nobody wants to praise Hugh Jackson team ever. And I don't want to either. But I think there's a lot of credit that you can give them for how they use. Josh Gordon coming out of the NFL after not playing for free years. They dropped him into a position where they don't necessarily just throw them out as the extra Seaver, but the use him as a flanker they move around the formation. And you know, it's not like Josh Gordon was at the peak of route running technique after spending three years away from football. And almost like a very Ralph player at that point. I think that's where decay MetLife is at this point his career. You can find ways to use these receivers if you want to create vertical production just have them run slants, curls and nine routes and post, and that's about it. So you're going to be limited terms of what you can ask a player like that to do. But I do think there's a lot of value in a big play ability in a big play receiver like that. And last another guy's really caught my eye. It's keen Butler and Butler. I do think of all these receivers in this draft might have. He definitely. Has dropped problems that I think people need to get over. Because to me when I look at him, despite the fact that he's a big hulking receiver guy gets off the line of scrimmage, very well. I think the giants are looking for receiver who want. They knew want to get off press coverage not the same way. But in a similar fashion to ho how Dell used to do it. I think that he came Butler is probably at this point my favorite to do that. I think both the giants and the Steelers two guys who have traded away these top end number one receivers, I think they'll both be looking at Butler, you know, towards the early second round for the giants or the early the late first round for the Pittsburgh Steelers that this is the guy that I think could maybe develop into a number one Sieber Butler would have to appeal to Dave Gettleman who has said multiple times that he believes that football is a big man's game and life receivers don't get much bigger than king Butler. Well, look at the two player, and I I hated this. You people might know who follow me that I like to say, I'm in a complicated relations with. A Carolina panther. So. What you guys are what you guys are with Gettleman right now been there. You know, I I'm not surprised by. I mean, I've surprised on the Beckham trade. But I'm not surprised that the football world has seemed to turn against a Galvin because I think that his tenure in Carolina left a lot to be desired and his approach to the wide receiver position was a hundred percent that way. I mean, he went back to back with Kelvin Benjamin. Devin funchess who are these slow lumbering lack of separation receivers, I think funchess got better throughout the course of his career. Whereas Kelvin Benjamin got worse. I actually do think Devin funchess's in interesting signing for the for the Indianapolis Colts on a one year deal the paid them a lot of money, but it's a one year deal. Who cares? But I think that he went back to back with those big hulking receivers. Maybe we see him kinda run that back here with a player like keep Butler as you mentioned clearly as the guy thinks that the balls of big man's game. I mean, yeah, he would that would fit within the way he's drafted wide receivers. At least in Carolina. His anybody. Really caught your eye aunt denied each have guys that we like personally. Kelvin Kelvin Harmon outta NC state, Dan like JJ or Siga Whiteside at Stanford. And he has a metric he likes us for wide receivers which target yards added and mom the king of that much. India's abella? Yeah. Yeah. Isabelle is really interesting. Obviously, I think he's he's a player that could be that mid round sleeper a two guys you mentioned with our Sega Whiteside and Kelvin harm. And I think will those guys actually share similar questions, which is just you know, are they true separators? And I think both of those guys unlike a player like kill, Harry, they're straight. There's their strengths are best suited for the outside. I don't think they necessarily like you can't necessarily say every receiver who struggles to get open on the outside. You have to move them into the slot. I think there's there's a mindset of physicality that I think Harry has to his game that I definitely think translate city inside. I'd now are Whiteside especially he's a guy who is consistently in contested catch situations. I think you you do see some hints of technique. But he definitely that's the play. He plays almost like he's a smaller receiver at releasing from the line of scrimmage, but then odyssey plays like a big receiver when he gets to catch point. So that's interesting to me. I think that there is some ability to hone that instinct that he has to be a separating wide receiver. And maybe he's a guy like a Mike Williams who I thought to me coming out of the draft a couple of years ago. People saw him consistently in tested catch situations. But you know, they been they assumed that he doesn't separate. No. Of course. Mike Williams separation ability is not up there with the top of the league, but he separates. Just good enough. To max also, then have a maximizing trait as a contested catch wide receiver. I think that's sort of the discount aversion, which you could get with the player like JJ Ortega Whiteside or maybe even Kelvin. Although to me, he profiles more your typical possession receiver. And maybe if the giants are looking for a wide receiver who is gonna play on the outside. But isn't a vertical threat maybe Harmon is in in that regard that type of player, and of course, obviously, we can't discount the fact that he entered right name. I mean. All name team this year. Williams and rocky sin. Exactly I that. I think that's all we have for you. Thank you so much for joining us, and everyone who's listening know where they can find you and your work. Yeah. My pleasure. Thank you so much for having me again, it's really fun team to kind of dissect not just what's going on their depth chart with wide receiver position. But just kind of wear the league is that is a whole with this decision group. 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Full Show (NFL trade flurry, Brady vs. Rodgers, Dak Prescott, LeBron and Lakers)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host. Johnny taft. This podcast is the full show. From today's episode of undisputed from start to finish. They've got a busy slate. So skip Shannon. Let's get to it. Happy Halloween everyone. Welcome to undisputed. We're live from Los Angeles. I'm Jenny Taft. Skip Bayless, Shannon Sharpe. I guess doing already. Already get the memo. Party poop over rang. I'm all black. It's not bridie. Yes. Following though is not bright. We're all fried. We don't when I do. I'll black on Friday Friday. I'm like a one man horror show for him. Scared of only one thing in life me better beat you down. Depressing. He. Away. We have a lot to good to today's Halloween edition of undisputed. So it was all the pressure now on skip skydeck Prescott. Shannon's Lakers are they gonna ever figure it out in boxing legend Sugar Ray, Leonard is in studio with us. That's later. We're going to start with a big trade in the NFL. There were some big moves before yesterday's deadline, especially in the NFC east. The eagles got another weapon for Carson Wentz. Trading. Third round pick to the lions for golden Tate. Tate had at least ninety catches in each of the last four seasons. This comes a week after the Cowboys traded a first round pick for my coupons but Cooper only has one touchdown catch this season. Shannon who got the better wide receiver Philly or Dallas Philly golden Tate because I think he's been more consistent over the last year and a half. And that's what we're going to base it on we just gotta based on the last year and a half give if you want to just take this year, Ohio, we Ohio rozema, man. He didn't. Again, we go we go we go for because. This. What seems to be the the new way of thinking have a quarterback rookie quarterback on a rookie contract. Feeling good. Let's go ahead and go for their the good chance that gold and tastes gonna leave after this year skip. So they gave basically a third round the eight nine game rental. Okay. How we get to win the Super Bowl again all-wheel. I don't mind spending third round pick for this. See the thing that I like most about golden Tate that I know exactly what I'm gonna get. I'm going to get consistency. I'm going to get a guy. That's great. And traffic. I'm going to get a guy that can play inside or outside and he's going to fit in Philly because he they've blue collar type of guy skipped he's going to be an extension of the running game because they're run game is dropped off considerably from last year. No blunt, Noah Gye. So you understand that? But jailbreak screens jet sweeps. He's tremendous. He when he gets the ball in his hand. He's almost like a running back skip unbelievable with the ball in his hands. So I like this. I like the move from this aspect also. When I look at Amari Cooper since the start of last season, he has more games than which have ten or fewer yards. Then he has one hundred yards. Let that sink in for second six games this year, two games over hundred more with Gumbo skin twenty yards when I turn. Nobody asked you to speak, Janice. Who had a better ready over here and stop stop begging on the child Chow? I love this love this from Philly because it gives them more weapons out shot. It seems to be coming back. Now you through golden Tate into the mix and Jordan Mathews seems to be the only place that he can shine is in Philly. He had a great report with cars wins. And so those to tidy are going to be huge. So I love this move. And they only gave up a third round pick. I get that Philly drove the price up for Markku because they had a second round pick on the table and Dallas one of the receiver because we're gonna talk about Jerry, what he said about the reason why they made this move, which we we talk about that. But anyway, they drove the price up because they had a second round pick on the table more Amari Cooper data's one Amari Cooper. So they had to go to first round pick so third with the consistency. Golden Tate or verse in inconsistency Amari Cooper. Yeah. I think the eagles got the better end the deal. And I think for this year. I think golden Tate will be the better of the two receivers. So before I get to my answer you were talking about the new way the rookie contract of the rookie quarterback or the young quarterback. There's still the old way to do it up in New England. They still have a forty one year quarterback in the past just stood Pat yesterday. And I I don't know. I think they're still pretty good. What we've seen is that these new way of quarterback. They're not gonna give you the hometown guests count that Tom Brady giving the patriots over the last fifteen years another point for Tom Brady. Thank you for not make one. So my mother didn't teach me a whole lot. But she did always say to me you get what you pay for. She always said that to me. She's pretty smart when it came to deal with money. Choose a Bank teller for awhile ran a little restaurant for a while. Dallas got the most because it paid the most. It got exactly what it paid for and Philly got exactly what it paid for. It got the equivalent of a third round pick. That's what the bang for the buck will be with golden Tate. And I I respect him having play like a first round pick. That's what you're telling me. I'm telling you that as a rookie and as sophomore league he made the Pro Bowl then he had an off year last year. He got caught in the crossfire of a really sorry unloading situation. Jon Gruden taking over and just saying I'm going to start here. That's why I'm saying last year. What happened? I said he had an off year last starring to unravel to provos at your first two years. So to me Amari Cooper has star power. He's got higher ceiling. He's got more upside golden Tate is what he is. And what he'll always be which is pretty good. I've never made a Pro Bowl any made one. Team. That's two to one. Okay. But Amari Cooper is this possible. He's only twenty four years old. He's only in his fourth year and golden Tate his thirty years of age and his ninth year. So golden Tate for that third rounder is in the final years of his contract. So he was just what a rental, Shannon. Is that right? Mark Cooper still has another year on his deal. So Dallas invested a first rounder for the long haul. Right because they got a star who's already a proven star who will turn back into a star for them. How do you know that? I'm just I just feel like, oh, you know. Well, you know, they got some back in in the bat do it. Yes. Cane or something to rub on that. You got we're going to talk about a Markku Amari Cooper was the fourth overall pick for reason because he's got star power and golden Tate fell to the bottom of the second round because he's just a pretty good football player. So around the Tom Brady to he's. I just shattered. Chattering shattered at early and he shattering late because he's still playing at the highest level at age forty one. But you can't seem to come to grips with that or make peace with that. Because it haunts you like Halloween haunts. I'm good with. Here's my thing. You keep saying Cooper has the upside I care about production. I care about performance right now though in two years from now. Okay. That's fine. But what about right now? Because limb ask you this. And I've been on that you were talking. I wrote it down, you know, I wrote it is it possible that we've seen the best Amari Cooper aid is I to you know, why do you leave that east twenty four? What do they have to do it? Anyway, what Tom Wright is forty one. So he shouldn't be playing like this. So what age have to do with anything? It has everything to do what he had to get out of what it was starting to teeter into a bad situation last year, Oakland, right? And what do you tell me all the time? I don't know that Derek Carr juries way out car, my right about that drew is get out on that prejudice not out. I'm going to save all that for later. We're going to hit that on about remorse topics now, but that Prescott has proven at the highest level with the third best QBR's rookie in the fourth. Best is a sophomore, the he can play at that Amari Cooper level. So sudden, so why do you continue to do this? Because someone has the third. Biff can be are does that make him the third best quarterback in the league in production? It then the no, no, no, no, I'm not talking about no production. So he didn't produce a he didn't produce the playoffs last year, and what are more what did the hall of Famer Shannon, shop tell me all year last year Dez Bryant has become a liability and no longer separate. He never did run routes to begin with now that he's lost. So spe- he just can't get away from anybody. And what kept happening all last year. Dak Prescott said reads, tell me to go to eight single covered. I'm gonna throw tailgate eighty eight. No, no, no. He led the league and drops last year. So he had overcome that he had overcome a six game loss of these equal hit. Lawsuit. Anything if he's that guy Tom Brady overcome that guy last year, they went nine and seven he had the fourth best QBR? That's that's a hell of schist rookie you, but we're not talking about. Well, thank you for bringing that up. He simply played the best rookie year quarterback. We've ever seen in Raleigh home out. He does not want to talk about a caretaker caretaker that carry. Why scale James I'm gonna let you distract me from gold. Hey, I'm just telling you that Prescott. I think we both agree. The offense of line has been a shocking bust this year, we've been. You know, what I noticed we blame a lot of thing. We blamed offensive line. We blame Sean lease injury, dad grant couldn't get open. And he can't can't can't hold onto the ball. Jason Witten have gotten slow VU L. It can't stay out of trouble. He was spending. Thank we keep blaming weak. You just listed a whole bunch of valid exam. But I notice somehow number four gift to escape any blame comparability in this. But yet Shannon Sharpe made all those points all last year as if they were legitimate valid points quarterback. He gets really well. I'm getting back to golden Tate. My love golden tape because I love the consistency. I can't have a guy in six games. Go over a hundred and then in four game go left in twenty. That's unacceptable. Skip beta that's inconsistent. Now, you told me John groom was going to change the life in Oakland. Well, he will he started over he nuked it. He tore it down. What do you say when he took the job? So he lied or alternative facts. Goad and take you know, you light golden Dayton. I respect him. But I don't think he's exactly Golden State as in a one man dynasty is is he a combination of Katie and staff. I don't think the last time somebody traded receiver above receiver four years into their career in the middle of the season. If he's bang bang. Like, you said when was the last time anybody traded the best defensive player and football the best pass rusher and football in the middle of his prime. Jon Gruden did that also Jon Gruden said I'm starting over I want my guys. So can you you don't they don't you lump them together last time John Gruden had all his guy. He ended up getting fired and Tampa. But you remember that with Tony Dungy guys got on? Oh, you remember what happens get well? He did win a Super Bowl win. Tony guy. What will obviously Tony didn't win a Super Bowl with Tony's guys. But I'm I'm not saying that I'm not saying anything, I'm not trying to Tony win new indie. John very possibly would win a Super Bowl with his guys in Oakland. Not for the tuck rule, not for the may make an anti Brady point here. But that was wrong. I don't I don't believe that his team would have beaten that two thousand and one ramp team. But that's not here nor there. But when you look at golden Tate, his body of work. He comes to work either lunch pail type of guy. Every single week. If he gets the ball in his hands. He's great run out to the kid. He can play the slot. He can play outside he'll block. He is a blue-collar. Philly fans will love this guy. He's lunch pail. Blue collar type of a gallery want superstar or lunch pail. I'll superstar the lunch pail guy shows up everything week give you superstar that shows. I don't know whether you're gonna show Lauren he'll eighty Lord he'll have a concert in that starts at eight. She ain't getting the ten thirty really thirty or it's like Leonard. He might might not. You're not play delay me. Maybe nine feel lifetime. So. The point I made about thirty one. You see what he did when he heights? Ben Simmons a trooper dumb and that night he's off her maroon back to back to the back the back of the front, but let's get back to the issue Amari Cooper, the inconsistency. What would we do in sports? Get every day miss port is the one is the one occupation like being a schoolteacher like being a lawyer that you're not in that you're not in a trial. Resum? I know about to update his this coming Monday night at Gerry world against the Tennessee titans. Who have the third best defense? Yep. What happens? Here's the thing. Your defense can be really good. If you got an offense, this competent skip really you're gonna take the Tennessee titans office against the Dallas Cowboys defense on the road. Really all you can do is play who you play on the schedule. And that's who comes to Jerry were. Oh, that's next. So that's the case why four three or four you can only play who by the way, one of those three came courtesy of golden Tate's Detroit team. So we already been golden Tate once this year. I can you believe all room, and he actually had his best game of the year and Dak still overcame took belief that. How did? Eliot having career game. And you won by three on the wall. Feel go. Took him game. That was the mole yard, scrimmage it. It was one play game. It was dact Zeke. I dunno. I can we. It was all I internet's. Is that not a clutch big time throw what a catch by the running back running a deep route right over the show throw in Washington. That's for the money. He had the football game overcome Golden State, golden Tate. Oh, look at this. That's a walk off field goal. Right. There example, leaving that took a catch running back. And now I'm going to catch them all down the field. So fifty scrimmage are to get a walk off. He'll go to Roseman that golden Tate is already Owen one against Dallas in. I don't know. He could be oh and to he could be oh and three of our he could mash the all time record of going oh and four against the same team. If by chance Dallas and Philly meeting. Will you will you tell Jerry Jones, and what's the other guy named what's to do? The picket put a cowboy what's his name will McClay. We'll Wilma Clayton. You tell him that the market with one in five Mark coop. When he would've been wanting to know cla. But anyway, he's there against to Amari Cooper, the raiders are one in six again Bari if one oh, oh, he was on in five one in five is the Mark Cooper. Now. I know he might be. He might be. The upside is Khalil. You said. It was the worst move in the history of pro football don't know that just ripped the guts out of the heart out of that deputy you why is bad move because Khalil Mack of the defensive player of the year. Double digit fat guy. All pro the first guy to be deficient, all to be an all pro at two different positions. And if prime Amari Cooper with the inconsistency, I can see why they moved on. You see why they moved on? Can you give me one good reason why they would trade Khalil Mack defensive player of the year? Can you give me one good reason? Why you try to Mark the inconsistent from two hundred yard games and four games under twin I told you there a bunch of games we're in the fourth quarter. I couldn't find Khalil Mack. And that's what Jon Gruden decided. I just love it the consistent effort from him in here. They're a bunch of games. I couldn't find Amari Cooper in the first quarter the second quarter that third quarter the fourth quarter you keep talking about one quarter. I'm talking about a game. Wow. How many problems have Khalil Mack Bentiu? How many all pro lost count? Exactly. So realize I Jon Gruden is betraying this guy. So he traded Amari for a first rounder and guess who wanted Amari Cooper, guess who how rosement first choice was this year for a receiver. But it was put a first row tag. Well, he just got outbid for the first time we go to private the price. Oh, really? We grow. A we with filling bandwagon can you ride at one nowhere about what man in the split. Like Alawite get silence. Seven bandwagon at one eagles. But hair. If we go your own meant tried to get Amari Cooper, guess what? If we want him. Guess what we could get put another first round on it if they wanted 'cause that's only had to do. They got outbid skip Jewish swooped in and close the deal over limb. Ask you a question normally how it works is that you go back and forth. We offer this. The other team offers that we offered this. The other team offers that they call you back say the Cowboys having first round pick. We since we started bidding with you. I if you offer first rounder, you can have a Mark Cooper. How are we good? We got what we want to accomplish the price up. Data took the first round. Dictum thing. And then he said, well, I'll just spend third third golden compat-. He will be gold, and he will be worth nothing more than a third round pick. And if we can go down because Jerry Jones, Tom Brady hate yesterday Twitter if we can go right down the list. Damaris Thomas will be worth no more than a fourth rounder to the Houston. Texans. That's who he is what he's worth now. So who's at so in for four years who had a better career last for years, Amari Cooper, Demaria's Thomas Marion? Okay. But what do you see? Now. What do you see now from Amari Cooper, twenty four twenty four? But every time I turn on the TV and start watching Damaris who I used to love because boy did he not catch a big ball from Tim tebow member out that ball and over. Oh, Lee everytime. I every time I turn on the TV. And I'm wanting to Mark Cooper who. Oh, I know he pay for Halloween. Every time I figures every time I turned on Saint Knicks games when Amar tolleys. Holiday. I saw just running by exactly that got that got him to be drafted with the fourth overall pick. What? Now, he has a new locate. Got like a guy that gets all A's in college. But then we get on the job. He can't hold a job down. What you did in college. Have nothing to do with what you do on the new John? So what is he doing? Now. What did he do for the raiders are right nothing? What is to marry? It's done for you late. We have seen law feed. I see loss of heart. I see not the same guy when I see him taking that same day. I see him taking that path into the sunset that we saw Dez taking a year ago Jada Stephan here, whereas who got the better receive affiliate down waiting talking about training. Everybody's talking about. Oh, well, Jerry Jones paid a first and look Texans got to marry his commerce for four. That's who. He is. Now, he's a fourth round draft pick. So that's it. Hewitt. The hang your handle Amari Cooper, being twenty four in the form of d'humieres Thomas thirty years old on the way out of this league. And I know it, and I hope he helps to Sean a little bit. But he's not gonna help him a lot is he better than if he'd better than the second option in Houston. Sure. Okay. The so that's worth a fourth round pick. But is the Amari Cooper know, what you mean the Amari Cooper Cooper, not able tomorrow. Hala? We look at Halloween is Amari Cooper from the fourth two years. Good. I'm here in scared from scared about marring because that's a Mari. I tell you what you won't be here. Yeah. If. And Furthermore, the pick. Maybe the biggest gamble at the trade deadline happened a little before the trade deadline, but it was Bill bell. Check gave a fifth rounder for what what was left of. Josh, gordon. He just had another incident in Cleveland, Braise, suspicions and Cleveland. Even the Browns said we're out. Yes. So Bill check gave a thin a conditional fifth for Josh Gordon. Okay. And already there couple reports that he was late to boss to the airport with the New England Patriots. Bill bell checks is. I don't know anything about that. But there are two big reports about it. So I'm figuring something happened. We all know that. Josh Gordon has been suspended one time after another after another after another dating back to Baylor University. Yes. So is that not a high risk gamble round pick? That's not. But I don't think anybody else in this league would have even risked fifth on Josh Gordon at that moment. But everybody in this. There's no one else in this league that has five Super Bowl to have the cash shea have a twenty year career one location coach Jake. So he's able to do say things and get away with things that no other cocaine. Okay, understand what I don't understand is. Josh, gordon. I'm seeing now during games doesn't look nearly as explosive as I expected him to he's not twenty thirteen. Josh, gordon. He's he's older skin. I mean, it's gonna take some time. Who knows maybe he'll never be that explosive of Josh Gordon that we saw that lead the league all my bottom line is my take away from all of these acquisitions of receivers. Dallas got the best one Dallas spent the most got the best. I disagree. Why to go Jerry Jones woke up and did something there there the lady about three years ago at a rummage sale? We call them rummage sale garage sale. But anyway, she ended up buying this little painting, and they will pay he played twenty four it guess, what will behind the painting unoriginal copy of the declaration of independence. So you better be careful. How you the original original can't be an it's just the or not actually there are several hop off the declaration of independence if you're a history. Major let you told me you, you wouldn't know either the first one or it's not the first they were several copies. I'm not mistaking thirteen copy original copy. Oh, but I didn't know about him. That means just because you judge Amar I pick a grab. Well, we the forest row. Yeah. I got you again. How he got you? Come. All right. Get this did Tom Brady admit that. He's not as good as Aaron Rodgers. We'll see that's next. The focus of the huge Sunday night matchup between the patriots and Packers will definitely be on the quarterbacks Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. It will be just the second time. The future hall of famers have faced each other as starters yesterday Brady gave some praise to Rogers take a listen just what he's done is a quarterback is I think it's inspiring. Even for me, I watch his game. And it makes me want to get out there and practice and improve. Because I think he's so, you know, phenomenal with how he you know, and stuff in the pocket ability to throw the football is unlike anyone in the history league. So it's just it's pretty awesome to watch. All right, Shannon. What do you read into those comments from Brady? You think he scares you? You may ask your babies for the first hand. And this might be one of the first time that I actually think Brady speaking the truth because Brady of just echoing what I've been saying for years. If play this game study this game covered this game. Currently I've never seen. Anybody at the Puerto back with vision with those tools that Aaron Rodgers have the ability to throw the ball from the pocket ability to change arm platforms to be the -bility to throw the ball on the move rolling left. And right with accuracy. He can fall in his bat foot lick the ball forty yards and drop it in the bucket. So all Brady deal with echo what many of us while we say Aaron Rodgers the greatest. Tom Brady just at. Oh. But it also goes to show, you know, when guys I don't watch anybody else being disingenuous every position watch the position. Why receivers watch otherwise receivers? That's why they get upset when they see Julio kids team. They catch three Tom Brady watches quarterback running by running backs. Von Miller watch Khalil Mack who watch. And of course, they do. But the untypical Tom fashion is not good enough to say Aaron is unbelievable. His ability throat. He got to add something to it. The he the type of guy. When are the little boy, Jan my grandpa will take us to the store, my brother, and he buys the church outfit. So he buys a little suit sue product, like thirty bucks. Pair of socks and he would tell the salesman will help to so pair of socks you should throw the short in for free. You know what I'm saying? He got to ask something why you just can't leave it alone. Why you've got the aunt to if you know Tom Brady got to. I all I asked for was a four layer cake. I come back. I got a thick layer cake. They don't worry about it. Because it's such a great customer. I just added to extra layer for processing VO Frey in. That's what Tom Brady does. He always is over does. It's made of and you know, he was doing so good in the way. He throws the ball nippy late the pocket. He is bars me. So you know, words, you busy the review you want to play to your forty five because of Aaron Rodgers ED's Spiring you now you wanna play to your forty five because the rules are set up to protect you. But he didn't laugh with the fourth part 'cause they're Roger gifted and throw the football that we've ever seen in his ability to throw the ball from in and out of the pocket rolling left. And right. Unmatched by anybody that I've ever seen with my own two good not. Oh, good old medicine tortoise. You look good good. I just need to you need three of folk top rated to throat of all better than that guy. If you think the secondary twelve better than the primary twelve you send the mistake. It's sadly sadly mistaken, and I feel for I really do tell me when you're done. Thank you. So here we go again with the Tom Brady that you know, and don't love it's off shocks. Golly. Gee, datas. Could you believe that aired Rogers? Yes. Did you see throw the football? I'm gonna stay up late in my house and keep my kids up late because gotta watch Aaron Rodgers stole the football because I'm the nice man down the street. My Mr. Brady, right? We know. You know, it to that why you said that. Listen to this. I watch his game. And it makes me wanna get out there and practice it improve. This is a forty one year old quarterback. So they love the game. He looked everything about it practicing studying Taylor. Are you calling Tom Brady Aligarh his ability to throw the football is unlike anyone in probably the history of the lead he laugh did he laugh? Yes. Like, I'm saying, I'm a whole defeat to the like you tell me all the time did the Tom Brady law. There is method to because he did add something that you did not acknowledge. He did add one line at the end of this soliloquy about Aaron Rodgers what he said he throws some of the best incompletions I've ever seen. That is some very subtle damning with faint praise that's bringing up the point that he does occasionally throw incompletions. Remember, Tom Brady is speaking from a position of insurmountable strength when he talks down from his mountain top about Aaron Rodgers because Aaron Rodgers will never ascend to that mountain top, you know, it, and I know all the beauty contests that you want. But in the end, Tom Brady has him big picture any has little picture because positions drink, and we just do little picture right now. Tom Brady's having kind of an off year for the reigning MVP this league, but he's ninth in QBR at seventy air Rogers is twenty first and QBR at fifty four really what you do. Nice to twenty. I do know that when a guy retires inches. We are is not as passer rating Roger has history, and as we speak. Tom Brady's completed sixty eight percent of his passes to only sixty one percent for the highest completion. That's interesting. We're we're just talking about. Enron. So Tom Brady some outhouse his sorry team with it. Sorry defense and no running game. Hit miss receivers. He's got his team at six and two. Aaron Rodgers got his team to three three and one. So there are five hundred dollars. So now now -sition of strength speaking down to Aaron raido my asking. So what was sunny Michelle did he gone, but you didn't have a running game? Well, they don't have it. Now, they just had to make the kick returner their primary running back Aaron Rodgers return for the last three years. Do you know what time of gummy guy drafted on a longer to do this? No. I'm a simple question. Tom Brady had a wide receiver play running back on ten planes. Aaron Rodgers had a wide receiver plan running back for three years. Let things get mailers. Let things get mailers. So what's Aaron Jones, which Jamal Williams? You liked him. I'm saying there's the first back in thing. Now interesting. So I don't need to remind anybody at this, except maybe you but Tom Brady has played in eight Super Bowls in one five one long ago Super Bowl featured Aaron Rodgers, and that's his one and only he did play in it. And he did win it. But it's one eight five victories for Tom Brady. Speaking down about erogenous, he's he's a position of strength. It's insurmountable that will never be touched by Aaron Rodgers. And by the way since Aaron Rodgers one that long ago Super Bowl he's five and six in the postseason Tom Brady over that span is thirteen and five over his career span. He's twenty seven and ten in the postseason to Aaron Rodgers ten and seven about let me finish twenty seven and ten to ten in seven. That's pathetic. Like like, how can we even put them in the same century? I love how we make. When we like something. We'd like a person. This is what we'll do. We'll say air Roger has ten playoff wins. Seven losses. Tom Brady has twenty seven to ten but when we don't would team game he played team. Oh, so that's if you look if you look at Tom Brady if you look at Tom Brady's worth defense worth. Superbowl the air. Rod is one that's been his best. What you're missing is. That is no threat to Tom Brady zero threat. This Brady's up on the mountain top saying, oh, he throws it believably. Well, so that and that means what? So you perform can you make the play that wins the game? That's what matters quarterback talking about air Raja lucky. Mitch trubisky. Like, Derek Carr on you for real you. Just name two guys. We have better QBR's than he does what unfortunately ought to tell you what go to the hall of fame and look on the plaque and see how many QBR up here they look to pass a ratings up there because that's what they judge it by pather rating, and the guy has the highest path rating NFL history the guy that had the best has done interceptor ratio in history if Aaron bleeping Roger they judge it by Super Bowls eight to one over Joe Montana should be number one eight. Because he is foreign OJ. Let's hard over you can have you can make that case. All we're talking about Aaron Rodgers versus Tom. What do you mean? I brought him brought it up come out of Hebron out. But he loves he took Dale talking to to my. Two one. He came to my restaurant three times Tom right after eight late. He shouldn't have won won the game has yet to come to my restaurant. I'm trying to get him to be, but he won't visits because it's been so long ago. What was it like twelve U S Q? He's become an old, man. Yeah. You you were out of business without just starting up Papa. Yeah. He didn't want to you know, tone rated has tremendous scoring defense. If the look at the one top ten d scored deep if the air Raja van he went to the bowl since then he hasn't even had a a he hasn't really had a bud bowl defense. Let alone Super Bowl defense right now. The patriots twenty fifth in yards allowed. No, do you. Did did you go to all these gauges measure questions? Do you win games with yards appoints because where the doing the bars? Scare famous. See don't do me. Like this. Tom Brady was doing Aaron like what marry he'll let we know that we've seen some of the most beautiful women in the world. I wish I had a, but like her I wish I had her hair. I wish I had her is not what Tom Brady doeth dobra to get through. And even mind the work the era. Rogers knows that thinking. If you're on Brady always says the right thing at the right time about everybody notice. You're the one who always ridicules talking. Your biggest bunch of cliche rash of ever heard. My right. Every time all the time. I seen it some of the most beautiful women that'd be on television. I just love. I just love hair love leg. Did you? I tell you what people say, I don't think that I hear Jennifer, I love her arms arms, and we talk about. My home team. Nice. If he's actually saying that about what you say. You say in mind the man and Myron every time Tom Brady gets asked about who's the greatest quarterback ever. He always says something like, it's it's just truly impossible to answer that. Think he thinks is the greatest ever Tom Brady thinks Tom Brady is the greatest ever, and he's gonna prove it again on MS under biscuit, the greatest Beth what layers do does. Mitchell Trubisky does not think he's if as Joe Montana who he thinks true Cerro as Dan Marino. And John Elway great top Trubisky doesn't on you're saying the top guys always asked me who I think's the best hide in AFC Ozzy. Tony as you know, what I do believe Aaron Rodgers thinks he's the greatest quarterback ever because he's got so many of these blind loyalist fall LeBron chain, he's done all these blind. Will we've never seen anybody with the tools. Yeah body. But how does it actually play out? How does it? Translate into wins and losses. It doesn't. It does. Team ready today. There is definitely no love lost between Russell Westbrook and Patrick Beverley in the first half last night. Russ scored I'm ever then pretended to rock a baby Beverly returned. The gesture later in the game. Then it got heated in the fourth quarter when Beverly Dover ball near Westbrook's lags both players receive technical fouls and had to be separated by teammates. And yeah, the police even needed. Police by the way, Roscoe thirty two points. Okay. Saint did get the win. But let's take a listen to what they both had to say. After the game. History tweeting. What did you think about? No comment that we want. Got no kids. Sleep. Dole guards. For those ball. What you think I know somebody woke bench, you know, doing all that cap and stuff. I don't know what that is. I've been doing this. And all that. I don't know things went haywire. From there, of course, competitors going to back down to one did technical continue plan booing seven years leading. Heels. Okay. Chace to your question. It's your did get heated. All right skip. He racket everyday. What you do to you everyday? Oh, wow. Who side are you on here? So I know Patrick Beverley I respect Patrick Beverley. But last night, I was on Russell Westbrook side. Because what Patrick Beverley did last night was a dirty play in a cheap shot. He dived not for the basketball, which was loose. He dived for russes knees. And I did not like it. But before I expand on that. Let me go back to the twenty thirteen incident that detonated all this bad blood between these two it was gained two of a first round playoff series between the Houston Rockets and the thunder at thunder. And I defended that night Patrick Beverley because again if we could see the first play. Yeah, we're seeing right now this is Russ just trying to reach for the basketball to call timeout got pass half court and Patrick who's an overachiever who. In Russia and Greece in the G league in the summer league until he finally got his shot with the rockets that was just a good hard basketball play the ball was a little bit dangerously teetering there. And he went from the basketball all the time all the time. And I have no problem with it. And as Russ pivoted to try to block him off. He turned on his knee, and it was just like a freak accident because his lateral meniscus, which is a Cartlidge. It tore it tore badly and it took away the rest of his year. And they had a hard time getting him back. It took multiple surgery to get it. Right. So it was a terrible thing in the Oklahoma City fans are never going to forgive or forget Patrick Beverley, and I do not blame them. So last night, the bad blood starts up again and breast scores easily, Patrick, and he does Rocco by baby. And then Patrick scores on Russ, and he does Rocco by baby. So it's getting worse and worse, and then the loose ball incident happens, and I was I was ashamed for Patrick Beverley 'cause I think his emotions and his anger went over the edge as each player. An enemy territory. It's in a war zone for him. They're still all over him. He kept turn of the fans saying let it go, bro. Seven years ago. It was actually five years ago. But it feels like it was seven to Patrick Beverley because every time he goes back there. They're all over him. And he boiled over and he went for russes knees. And Russ was furious about it. And I don't know what he was yelling at the bench. But it was it was not pretty and for the first time ever, I saw four policemen. I don't know if their security police are real police, but I think they're real policeman. They got on the court just to make sure there was not another brawl broke out in the Lakers. Houston game. No skip. It's hard for me. It's really hard for me to pick a side. Because I don't think either guy was out of line for the way, they reacted if you look at Patrick Beverley you name the teams that he played for before he got to the overseas for three different teams in the G league in the summer league thing is with him. Skip is that he has to live in this gray area. I don't believe he's ever went over the line. But he has to stay here. Because as Russell said, he's a little he's not six eight. He's not seven put tall. He's an undecided guard. So every single night that's how he got to the NBA. He played hard for eighty two games diving on the floor trying to get loose balls taking charges setting picks for other guys. That's the way that's various give you have to live in that box for him. See I don't think he went for us because he wasn't even guarding Ruth. He was on Paul George. It was trying to look like he made a play for the buyers. He went to where the ball was by the time. He got there. Russ at already recap regathered a ball. And had moved on. But he had already committed. It's kind of like a defendant. Skip I'm going for where you and all of a sudden the guy plans if we go ahead. Throw the flag Ross go back to twenty thirteen bra you call me miss half the season. He did a cost me my career become at you mentioned. He had to have another surgery on that berry knee. So it was a very similar plate for us. They call time out the Billy Donovan see roses upset because see possible be escalating let me go and call the time. I get Russ over here. Roughly now, I'm gonna stay right here going nowhere. Well, you know, Patrick Beverley not only worth get what they call it. Become a junkyard dog. Exactly. So he has to live in a world that LeBron James that career Kevin Durant or Anthony Davis doesn't have to live in in. What we've seen from guys? No matter what the sport is skit look at Jose to how hardy hustle because after say look ninety didn't make the team and not only did not make the team don't come back. But he didn't listen to him. He came back. He hustles he was every single play. So what we seem guys probably to make it. They have an extra chip on the shoulder. They know what it was like to not have into not be this Lee. So Patrick Beverley as long as he's in his league play like that. Because was he doesn't know why he doesn't have a shot like Steph curry he can't block shots like Anthony Davis. He can't score the ball like him in the Renton. He has to live in this area. And some people byu that if him stepping over the line, but he must get on the floor and get every loose ball. He must be. So I don't think it with thirty. And I have no prob. Russ reacting away because rust in his mind, this is twenty thirteen all over again. But I thought he was going to where the ball was in by the time. He got there rusted already got the ball with Tula. He had already committed remember Russ recently had yet another surgery on the same knee any missed the first two this season hypersensitive about the hypersensitive. And last night was the first night that I saw him really be explosively. It looked like he really had his legs in confidence underneath this. And all of a sudden to me Patrick went for his livelihood. He went into his knees. Whether he was diving for where the ball was. Yeah. I don't know. It just looked dirty to me it looked cheap. It looked like he went through the gray area into the dirty area in Russ was not having. Of course, obviously, you know, you need especially in sport like that. That's that's everything and Russ is predicated on quickness and being able to bound up off the floor time and time again. So he doesn't want to have that knee on. Back into the he just came out surgery and miss what like six weeks of this past this past off. So yeah. But I don't think Patrick Beverley live live. He does over there. But he must live in the greyer. He got skill patch doll. He says six one he's probably six six feet. Okay. So he's wiry strong that he's in superior shape. He can run all night. Well, if you if people think Patrick Beverley if player Chris Paul grimy who I agree with it's not even close. I agree. It's not even close. I'm with Chris Paul with the top five. So there's no reason, but because he's undersized, and he feels that a lot of time, you know, young young guy small people have the note in the police complex that they feel people are gonna take advantage of them because they're small if I'm gonna let you know, you not been run over me because I'm small statue. They're more apt to have that, you know, I'm we'll show you Patrick Beverley because he doesn't have a unique skill set. His unique skills hustle if desire determination, Chris Paul can assist. The basketball. Chris Paul can score Patrick, but that's not his game. I'm not sure what is game is that just to disrupt as a defense. Game day played the Los Angeles Lakers in LA clippers. What did he do? He picked Lonzo ball from the town about ninety four feet took him completely out of the game. And he looked at you calls. It lavar. Yup. That's for you. So that's his mentality is my fifth in Russia's like what rustling lavar that raucously looking at like. We've seen guys that Kevin Durant. Kevin ran get a mismatch. And he turned around the shoes over what are the two small or you can't see me? He Jimmy Butler notorious he can't see me. What do you say anything? He Casey me trash talking going back and forth. So to Doc Rivers credit. He did not pull Patrick out of the game. He led him play into Patrick's credit. He played fair and square the rest way into Russ's credit. They just kept on playing and they finished the basketball game thing is skip. This is old school basketball where in the eighties maybe early nineties guys and silly didn't like each other. You didn't see all the chummy stuff. But there's a new age now with these travelling basketball teams and guys know each other guys go grow up now playing each other the age of nine years old a lot of these guys go to the same school in if they don't go to the same school. They come in in the NBA relatives at the same time at the having played against each other and played with each other. So they don't be adv. Serail say like bird imagine, you know, Jordan in the pistons, Jordan, hey to everybody the piston. Yeah. So I was listening to and watching the legendary clippers announcer. Ralph Lawler last night, he was shook up because the police were on the floor and rouse been doing it for God. He'd never seen that. I never seen that. I don't know if it's a new directive from the league office like where we will have the police out show a force like no punches will be thrown police. Right. I don't know. I thought a year game last night. Can you imagine police coming on the field? If there's a fracas in an NFL game. Now. Well. That it used to be like that you remember in eighty in the seventies guys fault on the field guys. But big cleanup guy. Don't want to miss them paychecks. Non last one. I saw was Dion and Andre rising on Monday night was just threw down. Yeah. I think it was kind of for show, but it was fun to why is my half out built out. You might day. But hey, I've live here. I'm tenant now show me respect. You can't just come. You. Don't have different spectral not renting a place, you know, the landlord just take the kid opened doing come on. I wish you might come in my favorite here. Don't come in here. And you'll get exactly what you're looking for. Stay away. All right. We talked about Amari Cooper off the top of the show how maybe in Dallas. But all the pressure now on Dak. All right, Jerry Jones and yesterday that his Cowboys are quote more urgent because we dug a hole here. The whole is a three and four record. But the answer could be trading first round pick for my Cooper last week. Cowboys offense ranked twenty eighth in the league right now. But Jones said the addition of Cooper will not affect how the team evaluates Dak Prescott. Let's take a listen. I don't I didn't. Way that too much in the decisional Cooper. That that come just by the nature of playing the games and the key position that deck. Hold us is. Evaluation of Dak is not the s to the future is not the issue that some would have it be. All right, Shannon. Do you agree? Cheri no. I do not said even a couple of weeks ago that the Cowboys haven't had a number one receiver a number of years jerick, Jerry is panicking because Dak hasn't played. Well, and he's not to the point now that he could overcome lack of playmakers outside. And so once he realized that he's like we need to do something because. Did you not need a receiver? Kevin really went in the first round DJ, more Cortlandt Sutton could have had an opportunity, but you took the tackling judgment. Who's actually been pretty way better than I thought he was going to be. So you need you need a receiver. So now you didn't need a receiver during the draft you need a receiver. But now all of a sudden you need Amari Cooper. They're gonna come at times give you remember the housing market. They used to have what they call gen all you had to play the interest. But at the end the five three to five years, there's going to be a balloon payment will okay Jerry Jones Prescott he'd been playing interest only. But that balloon payment is about to come do. And you know, what going back going for the going rate is what's Bela? Jimmy Garoppolo got twenty seven me debt press. What wait a minute. I gotta large about it at work than Jimmy Garoppolo. I won't more than twenty seven per year. He'll get it. He's earned it Jared Goff. What I need valuate this because. They say, well, you don't have playmakers. I'm going to give you a playmaker. If the the play increases your play Dak Prescott because cost thirty million you, right? He's probably gonna get it. But Jerry Jones wants to make sure Jay we're five minutes Jerry worth five six billion dollars of teams worth by Jerry. Where billion six billion dollars to a guy? That's got to have pay somebody a hundred million Garrity. That's nothing. But one thing I know about people that got money, Jamie, storing their money away. Do research that new Ricarda this. They do their research. They make sure is money well spent so he wants to make sure that Prescott doesn't have any excuses. He giving him Amari Cooper. So now, we're going to see, but I do believe this is an evaluation process because you could've taken Ridley you could've taken his could've taken DJ more. You did. But now, you have a Mario Cooper who you believe emitted. Like, you believe he's a number one. We're about to find out just how good your guy can be by the way, the tackling Dutchman has contributed to the number two scoring defense and all appropriate ball. That's pretty great. Just imagine. If air Rogers headed number to score devious how good they would be going. You're three and four thinking for just a second. I'll get to that. Jenny. I don't understand this kasha me fire. I'm telling Jin talk to you. You just can't get this through your skull. I don't understand this consistent narrative that is driven by that man across the table. I think mostly on Twitter on social media, and people are actually buying into it who hate the Dallas Cowboys, and there are billions of people there might be six billion out there all the ten people. Just let the only ten people will. You're the leader of the pack, whatever that pack. In in some Dak Prescott has gone from playing the greatest rookie season any rookie quarterback ever played at that position. You can't find a better one than his numbers and production in quality and record in the playoffs. He played a playoff game at the year, which he threw for three hundred yards and three touchdowns against Aaron Rodgers and had thirty one all in it took to interplanetary field goals by Mason crossbar to beat him in that game Hughes tab, but my rank but the point is off that year, then he falls it up last year with early on three huge games. Just monster gains against the Rams who are really good last year loan against Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers against Kansas City, which was riding high when it came to Jerry world, and that was was Alex Smith, but they were riding high. Go look at Dax numbers and those three games. And then of course, they did lose Zico Elliott for six they lost Sean Lee for six, but the point was if I just combine. Nine Dax QBR's. And I know you hate QBR. But I just say it really tells the tale of how quarterback performed in game because it takes into account legs as well as arm as well as playmaking what what time of the game. What was the circumstance under which you made that throat or that run to win that game? And if I just add up the QBR's of dex, I two years in the league Tom Brady is number one at seventy six Dak Prescott is in his first two years. Number two at seventy five Aaron Rodgers is three at sixty nine. Drew Brees fourth at sixty five your man, what's his name win soggy wince in Philadelphia is down at sixty three. So seventy seventy five for Dak sixty three for Carson Wentz, which is still pretty good. But ain't Dak Prescott. But the point is the narrative continues to be Dak somehow on the hot seat like he's teetering on a bust. No. I'm just flabbergasted by it. Because I don't even get the question. Is there pressure on that? Yeah. The same as there was before the year started. Okay. I think this team. Win the NFC east. And I still believe that. And I thought it back in August. So the pressure remains on Prescott because he's playing the premier position with if you don't mind me asking, why does every time you turn around you said, okay. Dax the guy Dax this. But you mentioned Z mid six game. Sean Lee got hurt. Okay. What do I of all that? He went nine and seven last year and had the fourth best QBR. That's a pretty good year. If he's the guy that you said, you gotta give them to the playoffs. But he didn't came close. Janey today. Did you see how bad their defense was last year? Second now. Disastrous asked her. So why is you see what happened in Atlanta? Okay. I saw all of this action. No ties Smith and that game. Eight sad watch all the games. But this is what I don't understand Tom Brady can have a bad defense. Did you see Bill Belichick? He lost his ball. Air runs can have a bad. Hold on. Attica? Scott's not Tom Goebbels. Not. I never said. He was this. Let me let me make my point. Then I'll let you refute it. If you can what you can't. Yes. Air rifling at it era. Rodgers can have a bad deepest. But if he's that good he should overcome it that press got bad defense. Now, you see that? If he had a defense he has the number two storing defense now he does did lash a what if is record what happened last year? They were ahead of the Rams at halftime in the defense. Just cratered in the second half. They were headed Aaron Rodgers at halftime in the defense. Just if if you don't mind me ask you does that did that press got not get the ball in the second half the ball. So why didn't he do something with it? He did off. He couldn't outscore by God. If Gough on other words, he had another reservation that my restaurant is that what you're telling me. I'm telling you had a really good year last. Do they make a play on what this year? I saw this game against Jacksonville on Jacksonville's cratered itself but in the first half against Jacksonville. When Jackson was riding high Dak Prescott led four long scoring drives. And it was twenty four to nothing half. Half. Roddy? Getting crushed by Kansas City. They were riding high riding high. They're still the number one defense. I came into the game ranked number one in defense and that did that acquis back. Okay. What happened when he went to Houston? Played his butt off tonight. Played his butt off. He played about off. Oh, my goodness guilty. Well, it went to overtime. And finally a quarterback that I love even more than I love back. Shoot. You don't love. Nobody a nothing more than the Cowboys. I loved John. I know you love it. But not like you love the coda Prescott. Or I saw a log Dakota new call closet loving more than I do. Oh, met him on the plane. And now, you're an off too. I met a walk into them too. Did you know you met I met a Walker to win don't worry about? He told me he told me to tell you anything because I don't want to give out of won't be thinking that you know. I just like these guys just I'm not like this. So this year Dak Prescott has been up against an offense of line. That is shocking shambles right now, and they went out and hired the single best offensive line coach I've ever been around Hudson. How and during the bye week. He's going to take it over his kind of the adviser and co offense of line coach, Marc Colombo. And I think you'll start seeing better things come from the offense of line in the great, Shannon Sharpe. The pro football hall of Famer that he is he kept telling me through the first eight games of the season that Dallas didn't have a single receiver who could separate their collection of number three's with no titan. God forbid that they had anything close to Shannon. Sharpe. Am I right in my characterize your care by Tom Brady have anything? He's the greatest ever. This is a kidneys third year trying to overcome. L protection, no run game. And no receiver can get open. Guess what they're teetering at three and four, but they're still hanging right in this division gift who's been more than or equal to the amount of time. That are debt Prescott wasn't like you era. If you like him, breezy like him big like you. Yeah. But doc won't go down. He just gets has three people hanging on him. And he's the next Big Ben Rothlisberger. Because you can't get him on the ground big bait in the second. You have some. Well, well, he had a defense off if always something. Some point time. Number four. Go have to take some culpability. Can't you can't keep pushing the blame? Elsewhere. I'm giving him a lot of credit. Guess what? You know, what I what type he is the type of guy that sweep all the stuff up the room. And then when the bump up in the rug, and you live the rug and see all that dirt. Well, how did I get this out at some point timescale Bayless that dirt that we see that that breath guy that you keep sweeping? They're blaming the office of land. The defense isn't any no number one D V suspended at some point in time. You would have to come to the realization. My lower is clean. Under my rug is clean. Is whistle. Aw off his land. Well, they deserve to be. So don't do what I love what Jerry said about Dak because I told you after the washing game that was a warrior in that game. And I know he made one unforgivable mistake. You cannot make on the road. He fumbled at the goal line. Just gave him seven points into it. I was I do declare that. But as Jerry said the way he'd competed at that position in that game. We can win ball. I'm trying to win. Jane? But on Pete you compete you. I know you k- starting to starting. Neither is walk into or. Record foreign four. Okay. What's your round three and four? We get to play Monday night. We're on a bind we got a bye bye. It's been a long played for like three feel. You'll have losing not play. Take a nail. I wanna put a case of do on. Would you? Done deal. All right done who's ready for so the Lakers. They're back in action tonight, but who should play for them. Lonzo Rondo whose Milan decision making? We'll discuss. Laker season has not gotten off to a good start. They've lost two straight. But they'll be back at home to face the maps tonight, one problem might be inconsistent rotation. And in the last two games, Lonzo has started. But Rajon Rondo was played more minutes right now. The Lakers have nine players averaging at least twenty minutes per game. That's including coups much, Josh heartlands and KCPT so Shannon, which players should close the game. Let's LeBron LeBron last Evenson Ingram, Lonzo heart Kuzina based on the matchup. I believe that's the way to go skip. Because those with this with this lineup you can switch. Absolutely every single provision everything. What you can switch it. Now that means that means LeBron or Ingram with probably going to have to play the five hearts on the court. Now, I've coups on the court. They're probably the schools to play. If it's the last two minutes LeBron obviously like he did against Denver. He's gonna take jokey or if they're playing poorly he'd gonna take nervous take the bigger of the GATT. If the last two minute, but say five minutes that's the lineup. I would go with is. Look, you say this is not a one year thing. This is something long term. Lebron? Lebron leads to see you need to see what you have the young guys in when the rubber needs to meet the road. What do I have? Yup. And you can't find that out with Lonzo sitting on a bench and Rondo plan. You can't find that out with this other line with what Casey pee on the floor and these other guys on the bit. If time to see if these guys can handle the fire because you're gonna have to make a decision. I understand a lot of people LeBron came here. You know, he wanted to be in LA got to hold the weather bla-bla-bla broad James about winning basketball games. And at the end of the day. All that might be true. He might like the weather as a matter of fact, I know he loves the weather, but at the bottom line, LeBron Jay. The basketball player and the basketball player. His job is to win game. Not only win game compete for title. He needs to see what these guys are capable of doing when they're forced into a fire in the last couple of minutes of a ballgame is win these. So we need to find out skit we need to find out. If you're going to be the guy you go in the next five years Rondo need to find out. What you got with Lonzo there? Okay. It's time to see. Okay. So that's the lineup. That would max your chances to win that basketball game with that line. Right. Yes. Okay. So I'm going to repeat this again. The great news, not the good news. But the great news for these Lakers is they could have won all five of the games lost all five so not once they've been out of the game, except I thought they were out of the Denver home game with six fifty five left. They fall down eight points and who stole that game back for Lance. Did he scores eight straight points? Lebron on the bed. Well, they didn't deserve to win that one except for Lance, but they had real shots at win games. All all five of them. So obviously, I want LeBron on the floor. But I need a little more for from him. Because I keep saying the emperor has no clothes in C L because the emperor hadn't been closing so far, and I don't know there's chemistry issues like who do I trust? Who do I vibe off of Khudai I play off? I don't want him dominating the game because there's no use because these guys are never going to grow up. If he doesn't trust him enough to pass them the ball and to let them make plays for themselves. So I'm with you on Lonzo. I want him to close. I don't care if it's the last four minutes, seven minutes, whatever it is. I need him to take it home. Because I love the way he vibes with LeBron because the two highest basketball IQ's on this team may be in the whole league. Lebron for sure lonzo's up there with a lot of basketball like us. And I love the way they feel of each other and play off each other under pressure. Indian Rondos a solo act what you say he's gonna make plays on his own in. Lebron Cam play off the ball. But I just don't love their connection on the court. Even though I know LeBron thanks Rondo has a very high basketball go, but he does. But it's a solo Lonzo is in all of getting a play with LeBron. So he's going to keep connection with him. Like a both I contact in just like a soulful contact. He just. Honors them. Right. I don't know that Rondo honors anybody. But Rondo he's gonna try to make the right basketball. Lonzo did admit he needs to stay more in game. But here's the thing about Lonzo that I've seen so far this year. He's made too big clutch three and I trust Lonzo ball in the big moments even more than I do in the little moments the little moments he needs to stay engagement. But when the money's on the table down the stretch when he's in the game. He's pretty locked in. I'm going to say it again, he is the best on ball defender of the bunch because he's so long eighty so skilled and savvy good instincts, and he's going to disrupt. And again, I I wanted to see him on Jimmy Butler down the stretch the other night, you said he was so hot because he was crazy. Maybe it wouldn't have mattered. But I still think you get that long arm and hand up. Maybe it bothers him a little more than little Rondo could bothered him on the dagger shot three point shot. So Lonzo needs to be in there for nothing else. Just because the future. Is now it's now I don't know what LeBron's voting here behind the scenes. He's surely having some input with magic employ Inca. And ultimately Luke about who LeBron one on the floor. But I want Clough who's on the floor for the whole fourth quarter because he's fearless, man. He takes and makes big shots in. Lebron got it to him late in the clock the other night, but he wasn't afraid to go up. He just didn't have a shot and all of a sudden Taj all over in block the shot, but I want him on the floor. And then I'm with you on lands. He played zero at Minnesota in the fourth quarter that can't happen. He's there. Lightning. Rod. He's their microwave. He just comes in. And it's just like instant offense, and it can be instant defense. And I know he overplays in gambles, and he goes for steals. He disrupts like crazy on both offense and defense. We'll talk about fearless. He'll make fearless mistakes death. But I still want him in there because good things will keep happening with him on the court. Lebron love play. With him. I think he do. I don't I don't know. But I just these guys are the guts guys. And then in the end jails just shocking me with his rim protection and his shot bothering just blocking but shot bothering. So I want jail because Japan runs the court like a David man, he gets out and sprint. They go to these lineups. Okay. I still want him in there. It doesn't bother me a bit. Even if they got a thick nine gap. It just doesn't bother me because he's still so active. I just again. So I'm leaving off. Josh art, who I have a lot of respect for Brandon Ingram who's a big talent. But I just don't if if you force me to choose between Kouzmin Brandon Ingram to close. I want who's out there shooting three you gotta find ask you got no problem. But you got to find out if he is going to be there, you gotta find out of going to be there. You got I love Josh heart skill. He played hard. He take big. He's fairly also out of that building over, you know, how a strappy those guys are they are. So, but the thing is give it made it easy for a coach Walton because everything was crystallized. There was no Rondo there was no Biak. So he could try out of the lineup. Like, okay, go play guys. But what happens when these guys come back, and you gotta be careful. You know, you stepping on feeling stepping guys us. Look you look down the bench and want to look at somebody. I live stuck out at my grandfather say I come in my house, and I gotta still lives. I ain't gonna have it Walton. Lou Broncos the Broncos coach Walton coach Walton. You will step on a few lives here and there, but that's okay. This why won't out there him him him and let go play coach and tell the if I if I was if I was out of whispered in a land to coach walnut told Tillman put you in you would say. Brought me now eight lay land Kotel loop Brasi put me realize you just completely undercut the man's authority. Land got the may look here. Did you say what lands with doing in the first half? And he don't play a minute in the fourth quarter g that yesterday. Today yesterday sat back in awe. But what do you do out? I'm joking when I say LeBron the toll lands, but Luke Walton should know he has a fifteenth. Okay. Man landscape was twelve points of the half have evolved into third quarter. When it's Lance not ball any. Not gonna let him play a minute in the fourth quarter. I get that. And you know, he's been playing Jonathan Williams who sort of came from nowhere the guy I had that one flash in overtime against the Spurs. Remember at yet staple and all sudden look just fell in love with him. I don't know magic fell in love with him. I have no idea. But I'm I've seen enough. He's fine. But he's not these guys. No, no, no. No. No. No. No, no. But that's the problem when you only have really one big, which is veiled cage. Avails go to get tired. Details. Going to get in trouble. So who do you go to at the five you can't play cool? Ended minutes at Nevada. You can't play BI. Maybe I need to get on that chicken. Whole eating whole chickens at a time. I mean, whole chicken. Yeah. Many rain in the other day. He was dead on the clothesline. Trouble water on really. Heard that someone. Komo nats. He three years. I mean, Kevin Durant. Wouldn't that with Kevin Durant desk? Allen, okay. With that skating skill Kevin was always skinny strong. But he couldn't couldn't bench press like a single rap could do a rip. But he said about away one thirty five. I put that into Brandon Ingram footed that were ties. Okay. Ball way, skinny leg. No their schedule though. So they host we win tonight about to easy. Then toronto. Got a bad. Oh, he's resting. Laude to be feeling. Did you feel? Today. Yeah. He'll be off next game. Also sunday. There's so much look forward to Rogers and Brady or the Packers gonna pull the upset and Foxborough. We'll get robbed parkers. All right. The patriots are five and a half point favorite at home against the Packers. A big matchup Sunday night Tom Brady and the patriots are on a five game winning streak while Aaron Rodgers and the Packers are three three and one after a tough loss to the Rams last week. Rob Parker is making his appearance on understated. Happy. Halloween, Halloween, everybody, what's happening. When you on the line. Now hula shows I am scared of me Cowboys is that it. That's a Holloway by Jack Alanna. The Cowboys right now you're talking about this matchup. Rob. What is the point spread tell you in this one that did not? So sure about the patriots and their five game winning streak that is that Eram. Yes. Five nine five and a half could Sumann won five in a row against the Packers. I think they would give the would think that the patriots would roll over especially because other than Aaron Rodgers. What did I really boasted? What are they have? But that's the respect. We're not your tire yet. Then. Stumbling here. No, no, no this. But this is out of a spectrum, Raj. We saw how lost we saw him come to Los Angeles. That was a game that most people don't what was the spread net nine and a half the highest it got bed downs. What it was and a half. But it was not in a so it would basically say they had no shot at winning that game. And instead of Todd Montgomery. Commit the blunder. Rogers could've won that game and pull game out of blunder. It was it was a blonde because they knew that. That's what it was opposed to do. He knew any win against the plan was always give no order skip straight. Yeah. Go ahead. Can I go? Got to deal with this all the time. You to try. But I think the Packers easily could have five wins this season, you could go through their schedule and take a look that lions game where where the kicker missed four field goals and extra point then was the tie against the Vikings. They should have won that game. Got that game. One. They could have beaten around this. We more wins right there five or six easily. This team is not as bad as the record looks. And I think that's why given. Aaron Rodgers, and a pack as a little bit of a chance. I think they're going to upset you win. You're doing it. Again. I I really do away with it at Detroit. But this one I really that ios likes borough. This I understand, and that's what I'll say that's why it's not a seven or eight point advantage for the patriots because they really believe that the pact can come in there, and maybe shake it up to almost against the Rams and did defense isn't as bad as it looked. You know, you keep thinking Packers defense it's twelve and total defense in the league, which for them is really good because they really haven't been that over the last few. I'm looking at it Vegas. They the patriots heavy better team than the Green Bay Packers. The rabbi maybe not in the have to open up with a little high. Okay. Maybe okay. We'll say it's a little high. But also, this is what Vegas does Tom Brady as a starter at home in the regular season won eleven in eighteen let that thinking Tom Brady on average lose. One game per year at home. He's already lost. It. So the likelihood of him losing another. It's not very good. Beg debatable bagels. They have all these they go through everything they look at how well you play at home. They look at the time of year. They look at who they look at your team. They look at the team coming in. And when you look at it from top to bottom, the New England Patriots odd believe have a better team, so six and a half is not outlet with. With. Outlandish air Rogers thirteen touchdown one in a session. Anybody else? I mean just last week fourteen point favorite against buffalo. They normally the patriots. How many times have they been underdog at home? I mean underdog this didn't happen. So they normally always opened up at least three at home, and what it would take three skip against Kansas City Wednesday three against Kansas City. Yeah. So with that being said, I'm not surprised that they're five and a half point favorite because I believe from top to bottom special teams deepened. The patriots have the better team. So I'm not surprised do I expect it closer game than five and a half. I do. Better team. I'm trying to get my thick skull over here because I can't see better team because I see Aaron Rodgers with a better receiving core than Tom Brady has because Tom Brady does not have devante Adams. He's big time. He's close to top five top seven maybe somewhere. He's having a big time. We're just hard to deal with. And I gotta tell you right now. Jimmy Graham is playing at a higher level that rob gronkowski in large part because you brought up yesterday cronk. She's broken down got a bad back. You can't bend yet. He can't go up or down. It's gotta hit hit him writing ear where he's not going to be able to catch it. And I look at the rest of Randall Cobb Geronimo. They're really good. There's a whole those two kids who play for them. They're both starting to make plays the receiver spy defense. Okay. Their defense drops point is twelfth in yards allowed. Well, that's pretty good. The patriots are twenty fifth in yards allowed. Okay. Think about what's been happening. Even this year. Can we start with the Super Bowl when they gave up five hundred thirty eight this defense did to Nick foles, really you? Call him a genius genius. How about four hundred eighty yards? They allowed to Blake Bortles at Jacksonville. How about four hundred fourteen when you correctly predicted that the lions would upset the patriots. That's Matt Stafford had four hundred and fourteen yards of total offense. How about the kid Mahomes? Four hundred forty six yards of total offense thirty one points in the second half at Foxboro and Tom Brady had to overcome that forty three to forty by throwing for one hundred and eighty two in the fourth quarter. And then how about at Chicago. This genius defense gave up four hundred fifty three yards to Trubisky income four. But but my point is. Yeah, you could say they been in but don't break, but they break a lot because they gave up thirty one points to Mahomes in the second half at Foxboro. Score points. But they kept him out of the end zone in the first half, which gave them that cushion in the second half. Because he made a mistake and threw it to them. The Tom Brady get so who has the better run game. Because right now, Tom Brady has resort to having his kick returner be as primary running back Daryl Patterson whose goes like what is he six three twenty two primary battering ram back right now. And they're trying to figure out how to mix and match with him and James white who's about half your size. We know Jay he's receiving so Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams. They're they're pretty good. That's why time Gumri was expendable because he's fallen completely day. Wow. I bet you question had he not did that Blundell Sunday. Would they have traded time Gummer? Yes, or no skip with the ravens stolen game. They gave away for twelve you jockstrap the already been out. Bella gave away a lot of place for this team. He was a playmate. Seventh rounder in the twenty twenty let this thinking that what they gave him away for years. They stole. But they did they do that. When when you do something bad 'basta, the tide any minimum physio, they got they got rid of him right away. That's what they do. Guess what go ago if you wanna know what to take out a revenge of hand the ball hit the dirt zone because what you do that guess what if day? Did. To do unless it hits on its nose. How has it ever happened? Into whatever. He blew it. He he blew all at the goal line running forward. You gotta get the football in the hands of Aaron Rodgers to go, and it's winding automatic that. He's going to. Like frigate AU te'o netting. Right. There's only one eight you t o Matic don't do. Over who argue Bella check. Remember they had that up that overtime game. When to give the ball to the jets. Whatever that exactly what happened. That's the point. Gotta get the ball to your guy. I know be having other league from please. Art it though. So you know, what Vegas is saying? It's more afraid of Tom Brady than it is not. That's exactly what Aaron Rodgers. Clearly, I just detailed for you. Why he has the better team? But the better quarterback is on the. Time Tom Brady team has been underdog. Because of him. It's a tribute. Damn exactly he's he's the goat. He's the all the Goten. Oh, he's the Goethe goat of the Super Bowl because he was the reason they lost it. How can you be go when Eli beach twice? Yeah. Go out that a capital eight geo took the New England Patriots right down the field seventy five yards and with two minutes left. He at Randy moss with another clutch. Touchdown and he like pulled off the luckiest past history the Super Bowl. It was the luckiest. I don't know how to go can only get fourteen point. That oughta go can go to the only remember if you remember. Plaxico predicted for dick to school. And you know, what Tom he said we're gonna get forty four. What are you going to school for? That's exactly offense in the history of. Rob thanks for making my point. They had the greatest office in history wit led by the goat. And Tom Brady did what he always does. He put them in position. Nobody he put up with this guests who gave up the play ballot checks. Well, he did when did you do say if I give up seventeen points of the D coordinator, you posed the we went to reveal with minutes left should fourteen to ten of stood up. If you're Bill should say that what on earth? He's the hell. Seventy point. That was ancient his. History. You know, if you are you guys you're losing sight of the fact that Braise having an off year, and he's ninth and QBR air, Raja's twenty-first and QBR guess what? He's completing a grand total of sixty one percent of his passes to Brady sixty eight percent Vegas saying we think we're going to go with Tom Brady six he got six session. So that completion goes to the other team. Thirteen wrong. One of the sectors. But it would I mentioned Tom Brady one hundred eleven in eighteen at home. Did you know eighty nine of those winds of come by six points, the more? You don't think if I know this it made about those Steve fee? Oh. That's a tribute to Tom Brady skip. He's unbelievable because he's doing so much more with less. Don't you? He is let it than what I am convinced. The upset is here picked the lions game picking the Packers. Let's make dinner on you got it. You're going to the well wants to auto we go number twelve FOX. Thank you got him got Iraq. I'm very confident I told you that one with the lions. Got it. Honors for now. Let's see. Four being here, so many big trades. Who is now the team to beat in the NFC east. We will discuss that there were green necks. Winton a lifetime. So there were a bunch of big moves in the NFC east in the past week the eagles and Cowboys both at a wide receivers with Philly trading. Golden Tate and Dallas adding Amari Cooper yesterday. The Redskins made a big addition to their defense trading Packers safety Clinton Dix. All right, Shannon. Did these moves change? How your viewing the division? Do not still believe Philly because they have the best quarterback. They got golden Tate. I believe they're going to win the division. But I feel that way before they got golden Tate. I just love golden Tate brings to table in Genesis skip. He loved to go back since the start of last year. Golden Tate is ninth and catches fourteenth in yard Amari Cooper is sixty ninth in catches forty eight yard. Boy, he's been busy janey. Steve Owens one spot in front. Gramley? He's one spot a year. Okay. Algae about a two-time pro bowler. Who's twenty four the Pro Bowl. It's just two years watch Hobie resume. Yeah. Can you make the Pro Bowl off eight games? Maybe maybe I should say. Ledger got rid of lift up will you please question. You erupted me, I what I what are we start bike. You believe Washington made the move with haha to put with wearing your to combat Billy's tied in God her is that Kurds because I believe they believe that the race is going to come down between them and the eagles. Because why would you go get back another safety for what Dallas got tiny in general. We're not even talking about them. So I believe is to team race. I believe it was Philly. I believe Washington. And so I've seen nothing that the other teams have done in this division to make me think they're going to win this. I like the eagles to continue. Fly eagles fly. Yeah. You're a fan eagles watching fan wagon. Washington your green with envy, why would be number two in the what I have in dall- got a big time superstar. Now, you don't I do. Amari Cooper has changed the balance of power in this division. So I still like Dallas. But I must admit the ha ha move did not have me saying because I'm not laughing at the Redskins anymore because that was also a big time move they stole ha ha Clinton Dix for a fourth round pick. Are you kidding me? I thought he was playing at a high level. I thought he was a cornerstone of the Green Bay defense that played its best game last week right here at the Coliseum. Rial bowl. Okay. So what are they doing? Are. They giving up now. And that vision, I don't I don't get to the greatness, Iraq. Yeah. Is he gonna come back everything? Let's get the stop you need to start with this Amari Cooper, this Mark Hooper that yes, he's young. But he hasn't shown you the consistency all balls in a role. That's consistency. That's enough. Give two out of three years that works. What what your team twenty six got caught in a toxic situation and Oakland or one at out? Thank you. I'll take him. Do you have no choice, given what you have eagles considerably better than what you have. So I'm gonna make my point again the team that scares me by far the most is Washington because Alex Smith is a more trustable quarterback than Kirk cousins. He just is you don't like her there. We got we weren't about Kirk. Oh, I wish Kirk cousins that he's not have a better chance walk to him. What about the Redskins? And I'm talking about an Adrian Peterson that I keep waiting to hit the wall, and he keeps running right through the wall week after week after week he runs right through it fairly. We have two games with Washington to game with you guys. When we go we go over so in toughness of remaining schedule the eagles ranked seventh the Redskins rank nineteenth, Dallas twenty-first. So the point is these teams have pretty easy closing schedules. But what's scary about the Redskins? Is it looks really to me because the only hard games for the Redskins are at Cowboys at eagles eagles to close the season. I need your eagles to beat them twice or they're going to run off with this division. I'm not seeing much else. What when teams look at this. And they see the Cowboys. Then we got a pretty easy schedule. Yeah. They look at the couch with it. We got a pretty easy schedule. They got the easiest one. Why you Dan tr? Starting right now. I only fear the Redskins state. Yeah. If you have that guy quarterback when you've got that guy quarterback, you fear. Nothing. I had about Alex. I'm talking about for the Cowboys. I remember when I had John quarterback. I didn't care. We're going to Kansas City Oakland. I didn't care if we've going to Philly, I didn't go into the house of painting. Yeah. I got. What about if you got that guy? You saying Carson Winston John Elway. I think you just said that I'm asking you. Why Elway watching skip Elway just threw up. Asking you. Why do you fear so much? If you have that press got at your quarterback because Washington has a two game lead over Dallas. They're going to run away with it. If you don't watch it because they could win their next threes nowhere, you could keep dismissing them get like Alex Smith who could all he does is win games in the regular season. You could have prevented that you had a golden opportunity to set them back one and pick yourself up and we got robbed by a referee. Threw a flag on snapper who didn't do anything out of the usual. If you know, my right is everybody's balkanized officials. Now, you blame my Bishop. Everybody said that only Dungy say. I won't I won't fail to start fighting commentators and analysts say saying the -ficiating you should have to pay a hundred books criticizing not when I'm right? You're not right. I was right everybody thought that accept you. Because you hate. Well, you know, I was right about why would I hate on account for just gets grip on the ball? And the cabinet Allen jumps offsides. Through a flag on Dallas for a false. I won't Cowboys to win because they win. Now when they miss the playoffs later Hersi more already out of the playoffs. I got nothing to rag you about I like, I want to hope to get high. That would you like? You should root for Dallas people watch our show. That I got that. Don't like they only care about Dallas. Don't they go? You got three people got hold on bring my one. Okay. I'll root for them Mari to be successful. Great kid. We ought to get the Cowboys. Yeah. Out of how seven it's not what you follow. Do you know who they are weird? They live. They would I got huge engagement. That's what you know. What that means? They don't even know what that means. They respond to. Okay. All right. It'll just bother me. Just a follow. They wanna know. What is Shay be talking about? Oh, yeah. You got these alter egos. Never never. All right moving on up next. We have a special guest legend Sugar Ray, Leonard Floyd. Honor so much more next. That's so. Strain which early? Perfect. Probably. Our next guest is boxing legend. He won world titles in five different, weight classes and Olympic gold medal and was inducted into the International Boxing hall of fame Sugar, Ray, Leonard, welcome to undisputed or so lucky to have you. Thank you for joining us today. Thank you. It's so ironic undisputed. That's what every find the one. That's true. Well, we took it from. And by the way, you still look like you're in good shape to box. I don't know how you do it to participate. Yeah. I still work out. I do weights. I do Pilates, and whatever, but I incorporate boxing because the transformation of training training camp is amazing. And you go from here to shopping your mind and your body, but it's not bulky. But it's like, you know, do you Spar hell? Time. All right. Well, let's start with me. Whether because there are rumors that he could fight maybe Paki out again. Maybe you have see what do you make these rumors? I don't think they're necessarily rumors. I think. It's it's on his mind. The fact that he feels he can still do it. I mean my second. We as fighters we get to a point. Whereas that we watch bites on television and within I can beat that guy. It's about ego is about who you were back in the day figure payday doesn't hurt. Do all that that that's. That's. Gives you incentive. And that's that's the case. You know, you make Zane dollars fighting a guy who's never had boxing gloves on before McGregor. It's one of these. It's a spectacle. Only only Mohammed Ali and Floyd Mayweather could pull those things when Ali fourth. I guy wrestler. What was the guy's name? Yeah. Only all they could have done that. May wear the been he's the only guy that could have done that pull that off. I should say. So at your greatest where you better than Floyd. Absolutely. And I'm not saying because I'm not bragging. But then again, my mindset is a fight as a champion. Would always tell me I could be may wear that can be Tyson. That's what made me who became. May whether the counterpuncher so how would you? How would you? Okay. You gotta fight sugary Linda Floyd Mayweather. How do you fight him? Because it gives Tommy Hearns. You took the fight to him because he was standing outside. He was touching. You. Right. Marvin hagler. You stand around in the last ten fifteen seconds of the fight. You steal the route. So how do you fly fight Floyd Mayweather? There's no one way to fight Floyd Mayweather. He is he's that good. He's that talented you walk in with a plan, but to to execute it takes time and other words, you've got to feel feel a mouthful and see what he goes for it. Body shots. I mean body shots me fluent. No one could penetrate his defense. He won the best guys out there. But I will say body hypothetical. You know, it's. A weakness in his game at all. I don't see a weakness that anyone could penetrate. I don't see him being beaten by you know, I love Floyd is the fact that he believe in themselves so much, and that's that's a major part of being a world champion like Mohammed Ali. He believed he talked trade. But he back out. He may he may have been too defensive. But I don't think so. But he thought his fight with everybody. And you say you go into the ring with the plan. Was it your plan to fight her as the way you fought him with your plan to fight Hagler the way you fought him. You say you go in there. Okay. Obviously, you watch eight you know, what you're good at you know, what he's good at. And you say, you know, you got to figure out what he's good. But watching the fight wouldn't Hearns. There's no way that I thought he would get into a slow time. You heard he had dynamite especially in that. Right. But you said I got this only way I can beat him. Tommy Hearns was. I have been memories of Tommy Hearns, and he was such a freak of nature. Tom tall tall tall. Reach for the world to say how both hands way. And he was determined. But I kind of quit grant that kind of things down in a bit. But it all came down to heart, right, heart, and perseverance. I mean, I think about these guys the haggling hers, Iran, and sometimes I sweat. Just because I I get I can relive those moments. Now as sixty two, but mama still tells me I can beat anyone. And it's always be that way to them bit. You said defense is impenetrable are you saying that in his prime or are you saying that now because I don't think he's the same fighter now because I caught a McGregor gift shots. Owning that didn't he never really been about match that these guys Earl Spencer and some of these guys now they touch Floyd like konoto him. He's going to a different story. No question about it. Explain the very well because McGregor. He his punches were not without executed properly. Although I hit the. Hammerfest? But those those Earl Spencer guys a so talented so much more a whole different ballgame of youth and talent natural talent certain things. You can't teach. Teach you teach them. Jay, ryan. But you can't teach him to what to do when you get knocked down. Right. Because that comes here innocent to live, right? Isn't to to know how to get up. Right. You know, when I first got knocked down the I wanted to get back up and Russian get back up. Equilibrium is thrown on. As opposed to take an second. Take take take take the second to get up composure look at the referee, right and say, I'm okay. So you fought in some of the greatest boxing spectacles ever. And I attended most of them in. They were great theater because you were great theater, and you did win those fights with your head in your heart. Maybe more than the talent that was across from you. But now we've degenerated to. I was excited about Paki on they weather finally fighting whenever it was it seems like forever. But now, I'm not excited about them fighting as fortysomethings I'm done with it. Because it seems like it passed both of them by would you watch it if they fight again for free for free. You wouldn't pay for it? The thing about fortyish. It's it's kind of over. It's really over. I mean, I went into the ring last fight was against Camacho. I was forty years old. But I was in I was conditioned forty year. But what happens when you get hit at the being a ring for so long get hit that hurts as you get older as we get older because we don't understand the the impact that it makes its sounds might be a little screwy. But the my everything the Mon and the hunt because when I was younger I thought with conviction right as older I was like don't hit. You hit me back. Could you see the punches his will when you got in your forties because that's what I tell people like even missing Trent? When you have the off-season coming back now all of a sudden, I had to build up my Spidey senses to know where the hit with coming from. So now, you take time off you hadn't felt in two three years. Now, you have to all of a sudden, okay? Where's this coming from? I could feel the punch. Okay. I don't necessarily see I can feel it. And I just move just a wait just shot just go by writing. And it's it's it's amazing. It's more cerebral than people can imagine. So does it make you sad at all that your sport has sort of degenerated into Connor versus Floyd? And what's left a Manny versus Floyd? I'm not necessarily proud of that happy with that. But I'm happy. Guys may Zeh dollars and. But it does to does degree it helps both sports. You know, bring it does. But what about the heavyweight boxing still about the heavyweight? What if we were to get Dante water in Anthony, Joshua? Can we make this fight happen? If it did happen who do you like that fight has a happen? That's not has had you know. These two guys have different styles. No question about that. Wow. There is a big tall strong. Does me. And I love watching because he doesn't throw straight punches his punches come like Uber. And if it just graze you right in out, right? But you know, what we're not watching fight sugar. Right. He only gives while with the looping punches. Once he gets the guy in trouble. If you want s shoe. If you watch him fight, really he's not technical Joshua, Joshua super headway. He wanted to go metal obviously fundamentally sound box elder boxer wilder. But I believe somebody's going to sleep in this fight. No question about it. I'm so I'm so upset right now you sound educated. Talking about school. So right. You're so right because Joshua is fundamentally sound. Yes. And that's that's good. That's why should be making Josh go go. Well, we did see triple g and canal for second. And I thought triple g won that fight and got robbed because I thought he did the fight again for second time. How did you see those, you know, those fights so close the subjective? Right. You know depends on what you ask twenty people and you get twenty different answers. Your answer was what canal really because I just thought that some again, this is my perception because I'm saying he control he controlled the fight wasn't as much action as we want it to see it's like when I fought to ran the second time, I came. I do the right thing the right way. What do you call it? This thing get you out of trouble. But did you a lot of? In all facets. But. That's light was it was close. It was very very close. You want to three peat the trilogy. Yeah. This this should in fact, I'm so say, well, that's totally say, but I didn't fight Tommy Hearns earlier because we came back while second fight, which I thought he won the fight. I told you guys. Some of it. But. Box is my life, man. So these challenges these these controversial fights these. I'm all about that. Man. I getting getting bought so much take it heart. Do do take it to heart man has been so interesting for you go will you about your phone Dacian briefly ten years, we're going to take years, and I tell you it's all about me. Give him back. I'm a blessed. Mab fight afford fifty years fifty years, I've been punching people around and. I just wanna give that and with my foundation. Would be rallying company. I got people this step forward and make a difference in someone's life. And I've always wanted Feis get. The right amount of money. We could arrange these show. People would watch that. We have net. We should it be like. Interest. Paper phone you call it. I don't I call you. Okay. I can go twelve around. Love the stories. All right. I'm inspired come back anytime anytime. All right. Marshall is. Is this the end? Brandon Marshall was released by the Seahawks yesterday. He only had eleven catches and one touchdown for Seattle this year. But reportedly he still wants to play the thirteen year vet made six pro bowls in his career, and he had six seasons with at least one hundred catches which is the most by any player in history. All right, Shannon. If this is the end, how will you his career? Here's a guy that had a big trouble start to his career. Is been chronicled it's been catalogued. So we know some of the issues that he had to deal with the mental illness into by Poland he got treatment. And he was on the straight narrow Jimmy you mentioned it he has six one hundred seasons went to the Pro Bowl with four different teams. But in the process there those teams they were happy to have him. But they couldn't wait to get rid of it. That's true. The Broncos were ready to get rid of the bears were ready to get rid of the dolphins. He had a good season with to the Pro Bowl with the jets. And for whatever in Brandon the last couple years, we're kind of retired until the NFL because he was a shell of the giants in either shell of himself now. And I understand he wants to continue the place give eve nine hundred seventy catches. There's something about that night round number of one thousand I just don't know if he's going to be able to get it giving he'll Levin catch what seven games this season. So clearly he he's not the same receive a big body receiver. He sixteenth and catches overall twenty-second yard tied for twenty second in touchdowns over twelve thousand yards. So I think he's going to get some very strong consideration. He's been to what six over the whole thing. Yeah. He he will get some strong consideration. Wolf obviously, they're gonna look at some of the things that happened with him on the field with them off to feel and that's gonna play heavily because now the way they after tooted the rules. What you did off the field ways as much as what you did on the field. So he's probably going to come up with some resistance. But I think the six. Pro bowls will give him into six. That's still a lot. No other receivers done that just numbers. Yes. Yes. Yes. But again, they will say well when I look at what I look at Brandon skip. I look at this. Guilt dog dependent positions is hard to judge them said. Well, he didn't even make it to the playoffs. Look at some of the guy who's playing with it's hard to get to the playoffs when you play with quarterback like that. So I don't hold that nearly a gift him as much as some of the other guys, but he had a nominal career. Given what he went through the first three or four years of his career. So I'd disqualify myself from this discussion because I'm not objective when it comes to a marshal because I like the heck out of him off the football team in I admire him greatly for what he overcame you wanna talk about troubled. Yes. Borderline personality disorder, which I assume led to all sorts of domestic violence issues and assault allegations. And then there was the DUI in one thing after another, and I'm pretty sure he overcame all that I think he turned his off the field life around and he's become a spokesman for these causes. And there's a lot to love there on the field. He starts out as a six five two hundred and thirty five pound four five running wide receiver. We'd never see quite like that. Have. We know. I mean seriously. He's big enough to play your position, right? Come out. Then that yes. What did you wait coming out of savannah state play based on my whole career at about two hundred twenty eight five? Okay. So he's he was thirty five when he was drafted. So he was big in physical a wide receivers. We've he took it up a whole number of level. And yet wherever he went it didn't go exactly right now. In wheel started out with your man, Mike Shanahan loved him. And he loved my guy Jay Cutler, and they made some magic, but I didn't make playoff tragic, right? Then he reunited with Jay in Chicago. But they had a ten and six year in Chicago. And he had a ten six year with the jets, but they didn't make play kind of fire skill. You. Remember when might got fired and they brought in Josh mcdaniels in Josh mcdaniels. And he, but it had mmediately. You know, there's pictures of him putting the ball and practice Pango. He's putting the ball. But he still holds the record for the most catch them single game with twenty one. Yeah. So he had ability to witness his best friend daring win. Remember, the Denver. There ended up dying. Yes. Yes. So he overcame a lot skip. He had a phenomenal career. If someone would have told him coming from central Florida. This is going to be your career over eleven twelve year span. I'm sure he takes there's no way twelve thousand nine hundred seventy catches six Pro Bowl six one hundred. But even though it is a dependent position, you can't blame it all dumping on his shoulder pads. He just never even played in a single playoff name, which does it serve you. Well, when it comes time to judge for the hall, Ryan. And I'm sure they're going to ask him. They're gonna ask some of his teammates. What type of team eighty? Well, what wide receiver is a great teammate. I don't know. I told you Michael global a rod aid. You know, we had a little time me out a good good. Good old little wholesome down home. Yeah. Over here head Terrell Davis to carry you home. Why you keep saying that? That's what you had. But I did go to the playoffs before TD got. Well, I wanna play. And there was this guy. Name Elway throw in the fo. Now when I would say Ray Lewis in the greatest, hey that might have been the greatest single years that I ever saw right? Tim points a game. They needed Ochej. Comic. What skilled every comic book? If you got a theory you need a villain. Okay. So which part are you? I it. I just want to congratulate Brandon marshal on a great career and come sit and talk with Brennan he can do that. He can't really talk. Okay in the work. So tonight the Lakers back in the mix. Is this a must win Ron and his team feel like we've been saying that a lot. We'll discuss. Time per final topic of the day. Lebron Lakers will be back at Staples tonight to face the Mavericks LA trying to void a third straight loss teams come into this one at two and five, Shannon. What do you expect tonight? Go to win convincingly convince convincingly at least by double figures broad go to take care of them tonight. And I'm looking forward to seeing Luca Don Don ch- play because I hadn't seen him play much. But he's off to a great start. Four rebounds. But you know, what skip says losing to the the Mavs in the finals LeBron Lebanon twelve twelve game. Now, I'm not saying that makes up for its or you say about know where you're going to go with this. No. But in the broad James in the Lakers, take care of business tonight. And we get on the bomb on a meltdown like he did against a house from the fine ruin out you just ruined. So we got Luca versus Luke as in Luca Danni versus assistant coach, Luke Walton. Hey, head coach I will remind you Dallas is playing pretty well because Lucas leading them in scoring right now twenty game. And they took my San Antonio Spurs to overtime the other night in San Antonio. And it was close. And I think this game will go down to the wire because every Laker game civil wire. And you know, what I'm going to give your man the nod tonight, I say LeBron James finally figures out how to close a deal that they win tonight. It'd be he'd been in the NBA hadn't closed yet. Nellie a going close. Restaurant yet because he any mail to get in it better. Get getting into that. Yeah. Well, you'd better stay open late because I think this one's going to go today. And I'm upset joy had a Halloween party. She didn't invite me really coveted. I'm busted it up so Georgia. So you know, I've covered to the Halloween party next year. And I'm upset about not getting invited issue. But the Bronx do work dress up like Brown. Thanks for listening to the undisputed podcast. I'm Johnny Taft. Join us again at the same time tomorrow morning, nine thirty eastern. See you then.

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At the Podium #9.5: Doug & the Meaning of Dallas Week

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At the Podium #9.5: Doug & the Meaning of Dallas Week

"They. Hi, this is Jim chica- our podcast step over will be ballers podcasts that work for all of your Sixers needs. Says game breakdowns with a course in headband and more subscribed. Liberty Bowers podcasts heathen, I tune Stitcher sparked by or ever you get your favorite podcasts. And check out the step over a podcast about Sixers basketball. Mostly. Locum to at the podium episode nine point five brought to you by the fine folks at SP nation and leading green nation. I am your host Michael kissed men. It is Dallas week, and we have an avalanche of content coming so shake off the bye week laziness and get ready for a packed rest of the week here on bleed greed nation yesterday. We had eagles legend Brian Westbrook on a special BGN radio to talk about his work with the crown Royal purple bag project. And of course, we talked about the birds to we also have to kissing so elect preview shows coming along with Brandon league out and John Stolnis. Previewing the game for BGN radio. Plus, we have a new weekly show coming sorry for the teaser, but stay tuned and find out what that is. But for now, we have a double decker press conferences. First up is Doug Peterson talking about Dallas week. He also gives updates on Darren sproles, Emily Johnson among other topics. Then next is our franchise quarterback. Carson wentz. He updates us on how things are developing with him. And golden Tate and much much more. So let's get to those right now. Mourn. Finally Sieg as a while smile faces. Dares rose will practices week. Yep. Plans. We hope to. Yeah, we hope to be day today. A little bit limited. The expectation would be that. He does play. Will again, I'm not going to divulge all our secrets. But we have we have a backup plan if that's the case. Yes. Johnson will practice may be limited. But he's gonna go, and you know, see where day by day. Lane. Exp- experts expecting him to play us. He's he's been here. Everyday. He in Bruin, micro, even my self. We've we've kinda kinda tackled him every single day. And so trying to get him caught up to some just our terminology long way, we call things line up. But he he's been he's been awesome been bidding. Give back his Ciccio Corey Graham while we expect Cory Cory depositi. Yes. Practice time this week in NC where he's at by by weeks end Sydney's a little bit different. We'll see where he's add by day. But. He's doing well with Israel. Also. Downunder looking at Golden State figuring out how you to commend him into the. Well, number one. We've I waited the player on the person. And then basically just how he would fit in the routing running in Detroit back watched some of his Seattle tape in federal comfortable with him coming in and giving us giving us some added doubt, you know, and it's an opportunity great opportunity for all our receivers. But but for him to to come in and his ads as buddy. Laura get up in the work. Wellness, though, you know, that's the Chesapeake that we as coaches trying to do each week who's gonna be on the field in the matchups in everything else. You know? I think the skill sets Nelson. Does some great thing straight line speed good route runner smart guy. Golden kinda the same way. He's probably a little more. The you know. Short intermediate type guy will quick twitch. He's you know, he's they've used them out of the backfield before in our and things like that. So similar styles. But but also in some aspects of different. Especially with. Letting us answered question. Yeah. I mean, we look at all the positions, obviously. You know, you try to see if there's a DB out there. Maybe there's pass rusher out there in you know, what are you giving up as a team? I mean, that's that's the thing. You gotta you. Gotta concern yourself about I think how he does a great job. Obviously trust him in his decisions in what he what he's willing to to spare. But you know, that we have to look at it as as coaches, how are we going to implement this guy. You know, it any position any he adds depth the adds value. So we're excited to get him in here on it's exciting for for him. You know will change of scenery in. We'll see see how it goes in the next few days. The journey while he just we're gonna bring him slow slowly day by day. Just we got time with him. We don't have to do anything right now. We got some couple of weeks with him. So we're just gonna you know, each day give give him more more. He hasn't dining football wise for a long time. So just wanna see res at healthwise each day. Injure usually comes with a multi week absence. Had he kinda splaine his ability to lanes late. Let's lanes at tough guy. Now, he's a tough guy. And you know, in his mind, I think he would would wanna play in our expectation is that he does play. And but at the same time, I say that in the NASA. Hey, I don't wanna put somebody out there that might be less than a hundred percent to you know, so. You know, we'll get him ready. We'll get all our guys ready. Like we do each week in. You know, just the expectation would be he plays. This rivalry is. It's exciting rivalry. It's to really great franchises. Obviously. Great teams. It's always exciting. Dallas Dallas week in others. Lot of energies, the NFC east opponent something we talked about all the time. I go back to my days when I was here, you know, as a player, obviously and play in the Cowboys, or what it meant to obviously this city and of our fans, and and so I expect all our fans to be Rockin the link Sunday night. Will evaluate day by day. He might be a touch longer. But but he he's comments and we'll see where he's at again at the end the week. When you look at all. Blows ones generally spread the football thing. The spreading field with person out the golden give you the ability or livens for football. Of more. It helps you know to be able to do that. But you know, you still have to worry about protection in with five guys against some some really good pass rushers. You know, we don't over ninety this week is is really pass rusher. So we gotta be careful, you know, with the amount of spread sets empty sets that we do. But it does it does add value. It adds doubt that had some explosive. You know opportunities for us in one of the things we have done the last couple of weeks. If we we've been a little more aggressive down the field, and that's opened up some things for us. And we just gotta continue to to manage that to around make off going forward here. Jerry. You have to remind everyone that is one. We got time the handed all this ground just this week or next week ahead that say lot remind comeback. I do. Reminded him of that really on on Monday coaches players really the organization that one coming off a lengthy by getting some guys back. But at the same time, we gotta we gotta make sure that. We maintain that physicality we maintain the aggressiveness. Yeah. You can. You can look down the road a little bit and see kind of break it up the next four four weeks in the last four weeks and NC exactly what's in front of us. But. You know, we always focus on one week at a time mentality. We talk about winning our division opponent games. And this is one of those that you know, you try to win. And you know, when you say things are right in front of ya. It's it's kinda kinda right there for this Balti to go attack in and try to try to capture so. I'll just remind you know, each and every day that. When the discussions were made about bernudo, that's a piece. Definitely had say unit. Obviously, you know, how this person, you know, we didn't know who was golden how he was gonna fit and how we're gonna use it. You know, that's that's a key element. You know in in with the guys that we have and how do you, you know, how do you give everybody enough touches? Are you your titans touches alshon? Touches are there's there's things you have to factor in. But. I think this is where where Migros really he's done a nice job this week and really last week on implementing, you know, the the guys that we have and and putting plays in in things together that that can take advantage, you know, of this game plan, but at the same time managing who's in the game. And then of course, as a play caller making sure that that, you know, everybody's getting opportunities to touch football. Arson and Otake gun the same as. Sproles engen. Well, I mean. Is gonna take a little time. You know, they're gonna have to spend Electra time either during or after you know, practice and get some extra extra throws possibly just to feel. I think is a quarterback you'd want to do that. Then same way with. With golden Matthew Stafford throws probably differently than Carson does. So getting used to Carson is something he's gonna have to do. But we got to fast, you know, like now, so it's can take some time. The money in that first game. Will one we gotta make sure to as this week goes that he's healthy. Sent you know, he feels great. But, but yeah, we're gonna you know, again, we're gonna just just makes them in, you know. And I think I think we're a different team from week one to two to now, you know, obviously, we would have Jay know, but coys done a great job when del now, you know, the emergence of Joshi's kinda stepped up his game. And he's played well this last game now. Now, we dare back. So it's great opportunity for him. Again. It's like with golden. We gotta make sure I gotta make sure that that we have plays in for for those guys in the news use them in the game. So I can't tell you that we're gonna feature Darren can tell you that we're gonna feature Josh or any of those guys but Darren can be a big part of the game. Timing. Played everything. Well, I think the timing of it it it helps everybody I think even helps the coaches kind of getaway in catch their breath. Low bid be, you know, get reenergized. But in his case specifically, I think I think definitely helps he can he can rest in. He'll even go back. And, you know, watch the watch the games he played in and see where he can improve. And so it was a key time for off the bye. Vander injury by you. What's the likelihood that in the future? He can be used in a situation as running back. Question. I don't know, you know, these definitely used to carrying a larger football. They call it football. The ball. Very athletic guy. I it's intriguing. I mean, it's not out of the question. In museum. Well, obviously, I think I think one of the things they defensively is a good football team is really good football team on defense and other really good up front. Good pass rushers. Third down one of the top. If not the third down defense saw getting off the field. You know, we understand Elliot what a tremendous back. He is a lot of things offensively run run through him. Basically stop him. If you can he's tough to tough to bring down. So this is a team that has a lot of weapons. Mark Cooper now is going into a couple more weeks of practice in getting more comfortable with Dak in Daqing. Obviously beat you Nali with his arm with with his legs. So listen, this is this is this is a tough tough match again NFC east great opportunity for us. I mean, I was saying adding a piece like that's exciting guy with a big play ability goal brings ally all the time and just things you can do after caskets excited. Obviously, I'm practice yet. So it'll be it'll be pretty cool finding out there today. And kinda see I get to know him as receiver and everything. So I'm getting off the field this little bit definitely excited to work with him. I think he's a big fits really well with this culture. He's help us for sure. Up. Around by week trying to get away. So that up to them, and you know, they've made great great decisions executed great really over the last couple years since I've been here. So full confidence in their decisions on that. And I stay out. A process to get used to savers. I mean, everyone's different everyone's different. Obviously, the more the better. But at the same time, you try, and you know, you turn on the film of what he's done in Detroit to try to see his body language a little bit on routes what he's good at those types of things. So like, I said it'll be defining it out there today finally start to get used to build that chemistry right away. I was in North Dakota hunting and everything. Coach countries. Command informing house was down. So. Yeah. It's pretty. I knew. College coach per those guys are definitely on it. And I know same time. I, you know, I think we all try to maximize by we can get our minds away from this. So definitely started talking to the golden right away. But I didn't come back early to to work with under started taxing things building chemistry. He said you said what the first? Church. Off the field. It's tough season. You know, we're all busy families. We had things going on. So it's sometimes hard to build that that chemistry outside of civility and everything. But I'm just getting to know each other, especially can, you know, grow Ganj in everything are really big for that staying about life into skin in person. Like, you said inviting him to church type things just trying to get to know him something you can you can do. But again, it's tough during the season two fully built on that bond and everything outside of agility for sure. Cole is stretch. Guys. A lot of work ahead for a schedule. Like, wow, real tough schedule coming up. How do you try to simplify that help devoid stretch? I mean, obviously the last half season. Really, it's it's tough stretch vitamin didn't really kinda decides a lot of things for us law. We simplified into one one game at a time right now, we have douse Cowboys this week work cited about that come into our house Sunday night football. You know, everyone's always excited for for the Cowboys in general now, it's national television all that fun stuff. So. So for us. We really just send five one game at a time. And we're excited. We're definitely excited for this matchup. Another weather. That later how much of that. I mean, I love it. I love it. I mean time we can add weapons guys like like golden with big big play capabilities. I think it makes us, you know, the potential to be much more explosive and just keep building trying to find ways to get big plays in those types of things. So I'm always sided anytime. We can have weapons like that dramatic increase in your actors. I think just better decision-making not trying to force the ball down field all the time. And just taking what the Defense News me. I think a lot of it also has to do with. How defense is buying us? We are getting probably overall more soft zone than we have. In passages taken underneath stuff is probably part of it. Play opposite dach- times. Now trait about 'em stands out that you have, you know, coming into the end of the league at the same time stack knowing him as a as a personnel competitor. I just love his competitiveness. I think we're both kind of wired the same way in that area. And just you know, he's always competing fight till the end in kind of wired the same way side definitely Meyer that about. It's part of the game. Everyone's kind of its own thing. I never wanted to say it's part of the game happens. I wanna I wanna clean it up. But at the same time each is such an individualized at playing case so overall scope trying to be better at that. And get the ball out quicker situation. Dousing Fed's new defensive applied caller. Yeah. A little bit different overall. They do a lot of similar stuff. But you know, the starring point is a little bit different hit a lot more one high coverage this year, but again, similar players fly around extremely sound players coached while you can tell and overall it's very similar, but just a little bit different with our starting point and some of their coverages, but the way they playoff run everything. It's very simple. Going out of the by sometimes come out of it pretty slugging. Yeah. Like, you said I mean avoid coming out sluggish. I think over the years sometimes you come out of by weeks are long weekends Thursday night games. A little slow and everything and something we've already talked about in size for really starting today at practice fast and just coming out fast coming out swinging right away on Sunday that'll be big for us all season yet wedding. That was by wing. Probably the biggest great you've had a while was good for the by week was great. I think it you know for really the entire team came out perfect middle season. I can ask for better by week of Nadan just to get away in her freshman mind like you said three having everything that's been going on a last off season. This was a big break for both physically. Mentally Fisher quarterback leader. How do you came everyone happy that you've added? Yeah. I think first of all the idea of keeping everyone happy. I think first foremost stems from just the culture, we haven't place. Now, we realize one week it might be somebody with one hundred game in a couple touchdowns in next week's probably someone different culture. We built around here of unselfishness in spreading the ball out. So I'm really not worried about that. I know the calling and everything just take care of that itself. But that's that's a luxury that we have we can spread the ball out. We can find the mismatch whoever it is each weekend. Take advantage of honest of the radio this forty of this Cowboys organization fans what what's your take doubts? How do you feel about the route for me? I try to not make anything ever bigger than it is in the fans and everyone takes this game. Maybe a little more seriously little more aggressively. You could probably call it. But have for me we got a game to wing. I'd try and keep my motions the same definitely excited about it. Anytime we play Sunday night game on national television. I'm always a little more excited about it than I'm just add in the fact that Dallas, and I know the fans are going to be really really live, really active. I think it'll be fun fun environment. Traced by the standards over directions of insult verticals ordered that. Did you? In standards over feelings something coach Taylor talks about quite a bit in. It's I'm just being critical and being critical of yourself in always trying to to be parking. You never gonna be perfect in a game. But just being able to really dissect out where where you can improve every single play in strive to be perfect. Strive to be great every time and try and take the feelings emotions out of whether he's coach may harder or whatever it is just kind of look at it and over over the idea of standards, and where can. What are some of the standards? I mean, it's it's just as was the play successful in standards. Completions. Standard is making right decisions. Right rates. All those things in a lot of you'll never fully know just looking stack column, it's something we talk about on the Cuban room. Like, I said progressions reads decision making all that stuff. And just being it'll be coach -able for sure. Trades. I believe with the Zack in darning off season will kind of scouting report that they bring to you about. I haven't talked to them a bunch about their workouts with golden. I just heard that you know, that now he's a he's a good, dude. I've team at hard worker. I'm excited to find that person. On field chemistry. Golden of health what receiver can do things which sort of ninety factor touches whether of bubbles. I think you could say that, you know, I think anytime, you know, a certain receiver as Goldens case can do some different things. Even in the run game end around those types of things or catching quick passes in making ten yards out a two yard or something like that in the potential to make big plays. Adding, it definitely helps, you know, the idea of getting them involved early in really just adds a element to that player for sure. So that definitely will help build that chemistry faster. No doubt. Egrets by of. Mike. And when we go hunting, we hang out. We don't talk too, much baseball or football. We keep strictly hunting and just hanging out and have good time time to get away from from our sports and everything. So we don't talk too much about that. Lots of ducks and geese in North Dakota. We had we had a great trip. Like, I said earlier, I mean, it was just perfect timing for for me and some of my friends family just all get together. Get away and get refreshed rechargeable second season. Stats some involved. Yeah. I mean, I think ultimately whether it's like, you said personnel decisions game planning all those things, you know, having having an opinion on things is big. But again, so many things that already have to worry about from accident standpoint that I don't get too much involved in those things and who knows someday. But right now, I'm trusting them they've never let me down so far that make decisions and I'm confident that keep doing that. Thanks. Hello. 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Hour 1: Jason the Jerk

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Hour 1: Jason the Jerk

"Welcome to Spain. And fits the podcast. I'll admit it usually trade deadline day in the NFL doesn't give us some great excitement doesn't give us. Some great moment doesn't give us some great thing. They get hyped about. But this year, this is not the normal year in the NFL and this year one team got one player that has an entire fan base thinking Super Bowl at Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz were presented by progressive insurance. And sarah. I mean, it is rare for me to walk up and down the halls of ESPN radio and see or co workers and some of the people that work with the company walking around pumping their fists in the air and screaming Super Bowl. But that's what was happening for some eagles fans today as golden Tate is traded from the lions to Philadelphia giving the eagles the defending Super Bowl champion what they are sorely missing in the eyes of so many people a dynamic playmaker that can make a difference right away. It's a stunning moment on trade day. Oh, listen, I'm a huge move for the eagles. But I would like you to name first. And last name the people who are walking around pumping their fits and yelling Super Bowl because the eagles are are far from made in the shade. Now that they've got golden Tate. His numbers are great. They absolutely needed him. There wasn't a big difference between this team in last year's other than the loss of some pretty key defensive coaches. But to me we haven't seen enough from them yet to say, oh, this is the answer. And I was on board with them not suffering much of a Super Bowl hangover. I was pretty confident in this eagles team. But golden Tate is not enough in my opinion to have people buying their tickets at the Super Bowl. I don't disagree with you. But Mike, you does Mike. You was okay. One example, that's one example. But I will say I think credit from I think part of where this comes from is just the general excitement because you know, the eagles feel the fan base. Feels like they have the type of quarterback that can make things happen. And there's been at least the perception that the wide receiver position has been their great deficiency on offense. It's the area where they really need somebody that can help make things happen. And that is something to golden Tate has obviously done. So I see that that's a small part of it. I think the rest of it is that frankly, the NFC east is just a bad division. I mean if the Redskins with two losses are sitting there is the cream of the crop at five and two. I don't know that I'm looking at them and saying, oh, this is this is that moment that they can't be overcome. So I feel like that's part of it. I feel like it's a team looking in there looking in the mirror and saying what do we need an is there an opportunity to strike right now and is particularly aggressive. It should be noted because they traded a third round pick for somebody. That isn't under contract next year. They essentially gave up a third round pick for a loner player something we're not used to seeing in the NFL. Well, we'll say Tim McManus are ESPN writer broke it down. Smartly to say though that if the eagles don't resign him in free agency. They could get a third or fourth round compensatory pick back in two thousand twenty. So depending on a plays out. They could only end up really spending the difference of having a third round or in two thousand twenty instead of twenty nine thousand nine so it could just be backing up that third rounder a year the lines, of course, get a guaranteed third round or either way and then get some of his money off the books. He had a nine point three five million dollar cap number coming into the season, but stats wise. I think we are seeing a little bit more rentals of guys that look like they can add something right away. And NFL research shows us that Tate has the most yards after catch in the NFL since two thousand fourteen lead all wide receivers in yards after catch and three the last four full seasons. Second most third down receptions. The NFL since two thousand fourteen this is a guy who can make a difference right away. And the NFL is sort of a little bit more trade happy than ever before. I think there are windows guys are trying to take advantage of that maybe in the past. They wouldn't be willing to get a rental. I think that's one of the biggest trends we now have to acknowledge. I think the difference between the NFL, and let's say the NBA or major league baseball in the past is is sort of the window in the period of time where you feel like you can go out and be your best. Now, I think more than ever we're reminded constantly that because of injury or because of changing coaching staff or just because some years it's better to be lucky than good. It feels like you have the small window of opportunity to go out there and be great. I've constantly said if you believe you have a great quarterback. And you believe you have a competent coaching staff, you owe it to them to do everything you can to win in that moment at the highest possible level. So this is how we Roseman in the eagles front office coming in and saying, hey, even though we're form four right now, we believe we're better than formed for and we believe that this is the opportunity. Day to come and compete. And I love it, frankly, because it's making trade deadline day, which in previous years is sort of been a dud, it makes it a reason for for hope makes it a reason for conversation. Those are the things that really draw out of a trade like golden Tate a big name player going to a franchise. Like the eagles are considered right now to be so good. Well, and I agree with you in that if I'm an eagles fan walking around fist pumping. I might not be saying Super Bowl. But I might be saying, okay, good. Our team's not resting on the fact that we wanted all last year were still pressing. We're still pushing when we've got the guys that we have the core that we have from last year the team that wanted all and we're looking around the rest of the division and the rest of the of the NFC and were saying, we're we're still going to go after that. Because there are a lot of teams that would not right that way. So anyone fist pumping all allow that? I think taking Super Bowl maybe a little bit too far. But let's talk about some of the other trades from today because it was actually a pretty busy day compared to what we've seen. Of late. We won't even get into the fact that one of your team's players just quit. And you can't dome my shine today because here's the important thing. We've made it through trade deadline, and Derek cars. Still the starting quarterback of the Oakland Raiders that wasn't necessarily a given a few days ago. So, you know, I'm looking at it saying, hey, because I do believe that car is the quarterback, and we'll be the quarterback for the future. I'm looking at it from the raiders standpoint and say, well, at least there's one builder and back one piece of now Damaris Thomas go into the Texans. I think is also a significant deal and a little bit more in the price of what we're used to Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz presented by progressive insurance. Cars home boats, motorcycles, RV's and more that progressive dot com. The Damaris Thomas deal over to the Texans. I think makes a lot of sense because Shawn Watson has looked lost to me at this point. Will fuller goes down with an injury that significant and the value wasn't much essentially it was a Damaris Thomas for seventh rounder four or six hundred sorry for. Forty four to six around there. So not a lot of value in the trade. And you bring in somebody. They can maybe help fill that gap in another division that looks like it could be winnable, even if the team isn't great. It's I think it's a pretty aggressive move by the Texans and Texans are playing the Broncos this Sunday in Denver. See you can be certain that he'll be getting asked immediately. What were you? What were you working on over there? What can you bring to the table in terms of head on up there, the old white board and show some place and what's going on? You know, interestingly speaking of your raiders as we just were Amari Cooper hasn't made his debut for the Cowboys yet. I wonder if Cowboys are looking at around at what some of the guys on the trade deadline are getting in return for the for these wide receivers and wondering. We have given away first rounder, right? Because none of the other wide receivers going today are going anywhere near that. Well, and I have to wonder though, golden tape for a third round. And you make a great point about the compensatory to pick. But golden Tate for third round rental. It does feel like there's a sort of a strange value on wide receivers that nobody can pinpoint what they should be worth in. That's going to be the interesting piece of it looking for because these trades absolutely play into how they're viewed the pick that went from Dallas to the raiders is always going to be attached with the Maury Cooper at this point. Now, I do want to point out one other trade today that a lot of people think is a super huge deal. I'm a little surprised by Dante Fowler, jR, gets traded from the Jags to the Rams again talk about paying a lot for a third and fifth round draft pick third round twenty nine thousand nine fifth round pick in twenty twenty and he's becoming an unrestricted free agent after the season two, but he hasn't had a particularly good year. So I think that's a lot to give up their that. Again, it feels like tea. Teams in their window right now decided to overpay this year for results. And that's that's stunning to me. Well, and maybe they you know, he he's he's got some off the field issues. Maybe he's a guy that they just think needs to be put in the right situation. And they'll get the best out of him and be able to convince him to stick around because it is a good team in a good city. And maybe that's their hope because you're right. Suspend not on a guy who hasn't been dominant and will become an unrestricted free agent after the season is kind of surprising. But if you look at their defensive line rotation they've got Aaron Donald is leaving the NFL sacks. Sue and Brocker all four former first round picks Fowler third over on two thousand fifteen Donald thirteenth in two thousand fourteen th SU second in two thousand ten brokers fourteen twenty twelve so if you're if you're the Rams, and you're very very confident in your offense. You wanna make sure your defense can keep up every week. I maybe maybe you feel like again the. Window is there to take advantage this year? Yeah, you're right. Maybe a depth plays worth it. When you think you're in this moment where heck not only are they talking Super Bowl for the Rams, but it's a question of when or if they'll even lose this season. So we're not done talking about the trade straight ahead. Tom Brady said he's inspired by Aaron Rodgers. But did a Packers player get traded because of Aaron Rodgers find out next pain and Fitz on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app and siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz breaking down all the trade action from today. And look I is the NFL trade deadline came. There were moves you sort of you raise an eyebrow to their moves it to look at it and say, well, what are we that come from? And then there's some moves you look at it and say not surprised at all in one of those was the Packers deciding to trade time Montgomery to the ravens. Let's remember over. The course of the weekend time Montgomery made news for deciding to bring a kick out. When everyone told him not to so the Baltimore Ravens make a low risk move. And the for a seventh round draft pick in twenty twenty a seventh round fake they acquired time on Gumri in a move. That is directly just the Packer saying if you can't follow the rules, and you don't want to give air Aaron Rodgers the chance to win a game. We don't want you here right there. Yeah. And for those who weren't up to speed on this. It's not just he didn't listen and ran the ball out. But according to his teammates who spoke angrily to the NFL media's Mike silver. This was a case of frustration from the play before throwing his helmet frustrated about coming off the field and deciding to try to make a play there perhaps to prove them wrong going against the orders of his coach and those around him. And as you said smartly yesterday, and I agreed. I don't know how you go back to a team and can be trusted after that. If it if it really truly, and it certainly sounded like from his teammates was a move that you chose. To do. And not just while. I was trying my hardest and I should have listened. If it was it was intentional and fuelled by anger. I can't especially in a season with only sixteen regular season games be willing to give up a chance at a win. Because of something as boneheaded is that one of the interesting things about time. Montgomery to me is remember he was third round pick in two thousand fifteen but he was originally receiver and he's switched to running back when the Packers just seemed decimated. Didn't it didn't have any other option, and then he played well enough that he sort of stuck there. So I look at this guy that plays his way into the roster plays his way into opportunity putting the game that we reference on Sunday. He'd only been in for six snaps. And so your guy that feels like you've done everything for your team and your guy that's feels like you finally played your way into opportunity. And now, you you you're not getting opportunity. And now you're emotional outburst has caused you to lose opportunity at all to play for one of the best franchises in the NFL. It's a it's an interesting piece of. That for somebody that worked so hard to make himself a part of the team. And then let's emotion essentially kick him off the team. Also interesting to me to say that's only the third time in ravens history that they've acquired a player on trade deadline day that says how it is for the organization, and it also shows how much Baltimore just felt like they needed explosiveness. They're not getting any love from the running game. He can't there's no risk in them seeing if they can say it's as much about needing that help as it is about this is an easy move because the Packers wanna get rid of him. Right. So it's super low risk. Maybe they don't usually make these moves because they aren't willing to risk anything in this case. It's it's what someone from the NFL network called the ham sandwich straight. Right. So you're not giving up a lot. Now, it is worth noting. And I mentioned this yesterday. It's got to be frustrating for Aaron Rodgers and the rest of the Packers team that this franchise has not been able to get him a legitimate running back to the point where they are transitioning receivers into that running back role. And I don't know if somehow this will make their running game better to at least streamline it a little more. They have a couple of different guys in Jones and Williams and Montgomery were all getting reps. None of them really got into any sort of rhythm. None of them stands out as as a great option. And so maybe at least if you give the if you give the other two guys more reps, they'll find their groove. That's about the most optimistic I can say about this. But we've saying this over and over again, and this is another reminder you've got the best quarterback potentially of all time. And they just don't put enough talent around him, and the running back position is a clear indication that, you know, and it's funny because we give so much credit to the success of the Packers to part of part of it to the front office. And Ted Thompson in the GM there in when you look at the process for the Packers. I'm with you. I think that it's time to admit that there are certain positions. They just don't seem capable of scouting. Well, and there's not always an easy answer. Sorta like we constantly laugh at the Cowboys at their inability to acquire the wide receiver. They seem to be looking for the Packers are in that same boat. There are just certain teams in certain areas that can't find the guy one thing. I do know that maybe wouldn't be traded if he'd sent Aaron Rodgers some flowers because you can surprise it from their loved ones today or anyone that got traded in the NFL NFL with the bouquet from one eight hundred flowers dot com. When you order a dozen multicolored roses for only twenty nine ninety nine you get another dozen plus a vase absolutely free. Go to one hundred flowers dot com slash ESPN. Sarah, the most important question out of that is to save ace or vase. I say both. I don't know why I always goes Caisley while reading I say vas, and I don't know why. But I almost I say vase in life and vase occasionally, while reading vas sounds very pretentious that sounds like saying aunt it. It's too. It's too boozy for me like. I just have. By the way, I wanted to mention you want to keep talking about vases. Are you confused by the trade of ha ha Clinton Dix to the Redskins? The the Packers get a twenty nineteen fourth round draft pick Dixon's bene- starter since his rookie season. He is going to be an unrestricted free agent after this season. I guess I didn't see that coming. He also had a nice tweet. Thanks, y'all for everything with little cheese emoji doesn't seem like there was any bad blood there. I'm kind of surprised. Yeah. I was really surprised. Honestly, I didn't see that one coming in is somebody. That's that's been a playmaker. I think since it came into the league I understand that there's been some ups and downs. And maybe he's never elevated. There was such high expectations for him when he came into the league that in some ways, I feel like they sort of maybe those were impossible to me. But he's been consistent playmaker. For the defense. He has not been a liability. And I don't understand why you don't at least I guess the logic is get something form rather than let them rack that. You're probably not gonna pay him what he's going to ask for in the off season. I I was just surprised by that. I didn't think it was that much of a done deal. Did you that even be consideration to pay him where he wants to be paid him in? Because when you're letting somebody walk you're essentially saying, I'm not gonna pay street market values. Somebody else will give that market value. I can't believe that the Packers were in a different spectrum of what his value would be. Then let's say the Redskins would be in free agency. Agreed. And there in the thick of things in the NFC north that division is as tight as any. So I'm super. Surprised that they would make move like that. They've now got two former undrafted free agents at their top to safety positions. And they let their last two high price safeties walk in Morgan brunette and mica hides. They clearly not been willing to spend at that position. I'm not really sure what the idea is there for them. It seems like it seems like if I'm Aaron Rodgers I'm looking around, and and I'm all in on Montgomery and a little bit confused about what we're thinking about it this point in the season with still very much a chance to win the division about the Clinton Dix decision. Yeah. I couldn't agree with you more, especially when you think about the constant question. I asked how does it make your team better right now? And what's the plan? And I Don like some teams that are tanking in the giants. And the raiders I understand that. They're all out for this year. The Packers aren't in that situation. So it definitely didn't get traded Jerker also in bell because he can't be reported. And he hasn't signed his franchise tender. So he cannot be traded this season now. So now, it's just a staredown of are you ever going to show up or is is that it for this? You're just gonna sit and you're going to try to get what you can despite not accruing another season of play the whole situation gets weirder. And weirder to me. And I love it more and more every single day mostly because it's not my favorite team straight ahead. The first college football playoff rankings or just over thirty minutes away. Plus, Maryland surprised a lot of people today and not in a good way. We'll break it down next pain and Fitz on ESPN radio and the ESPN app Spain and Fitz. I can't believe it that Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit Helen until it got there alone. We get there. I'll get there. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with gyco. What's this button? Do what's this button? Do what's best button? Do this. Don't believe at Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. We're going to go to the show Pennzoil performance line or ESPN college football. Reporter Heather Dench joins us. Follow on Twitter at CF. Heather Heather, obviously, you do. Great incredible work covering the college football playoff. The release is gonna come out tonight of the first selection committee ranking? So what team are you most interested in seeing where they fall tonight. The question is LS, Hugh because they clearly should be the highest ranked one loss team based on their resume, but how high can they climb? They have four wins right now. I guess how're five opponents with winning records. That's really impressive. None of them might be ranked in the top twenty five. But they're definitely respectable win is not enough though for them to leapfrog undefeated Notre Dame. Could it even be now for them to jump to that number twos? Dot that's kind of what I'm most curious to see right now. Yeah. You're the first I've heard to really be predicting a potential to jump into the top. Everyone seems to be pretty certain about the one in two spots and more interested in three or four this morning and Golic and wingo. The guys as soon as they read a stat about the number three team in the first college playoff rankings, never advancing down the down when it matters most. They decided they were hoping that Notre Dame would be done at number four. What's the argument you make for LSU topping Notre Dame for that three spot? Well. I think a lot of it has to do with their strength of schedule. Now, they obviously be ahead of Michigan, which I think we'll follow it number five because they have the head to head win over Michigan. Very good where Stanford band though, because now they're three loss team beyond the Michigan win. What's the next best went on their resume? So I think that's an important thing to look at. But again, the strength of schedule to me is what could potentially have LSU ahead of them. But look, I agree. I predicted that Clinton will have the number two spot. I just wonder how much of a debate will be in that room as to how high they can get Clinton over the last two weeks has looked out banding not only defensively upfront. The secondary starting to get better. And just offense. They've looked so solid. They've outscored their last two opponents one hundred ten to like, I don't know like seventeen or something ridiculous. So they're right up there with Alabama. I think for those once the LSU's resumes, still very good. We're talking ESPN college football reporter Heather dinner on the shell Pennzoil perform. Georgia fans screaming at their radio right now because you haven't even said their programs name yet where do you think Georgia falls and all of this? I think Georgia is right behind Michigan for the number six thought. And I say that because that win against Florida was still important. But it's their only big win. I think Michigan has a better resume right now. I think when you look at Georgia they have one more step against Kentucky to secure the he just not quite there yet, resume wise. And I think Michigan defensively I think you can argue has been better. And they've also quietly been making some really important drives on offense as well. Busiest woman in sports today, how their Dench because she's also covering the Maryland story. That's keeping her very busy for those. Who haven't heard the latest about everything that occurred today with president Wallace Loh football coach DJ, an athletic director, Damon Evans, can you give us a quick wrap up? Sure. So DJ Durkin is coming back. You've been on paid administrative leave since August. Wallace low also keep his job, although he is going to retire on his. Own in June of next year and Damon Evans athletic director is also returning James Brady, the chairman who of the of the border regions who spoke at the press conference today, basically said the reason for that is because they think EJ Dirk into is a good a good coach and a good guy and that he has the best interest of the student athletes at heart, and that Damon Evans and wall slow have been working together since the summer to try and implement some of those recommendations from the very first report the Walter's report to make Maryland better. So that's the direction that they chose to go with it in spite of a one hundred ninety two page report that documented a a lot of confusion within the the rank of who reports to who. And some you know, verbal abuse. And and a whole lot other. Okay. So Heather with that being said how surprised were you with the decision? I was shocked. I was shocked because there's just been so much information out of their own investigations that puts responsibility on DJ Dirk. And now, look I mean, I'm not surprised that while slow and David Evans necessarily returned. But in the report, there's just so many damning things in terms of the the way Durkan handled the program and just the the culture within it while they said, it wasn't toxic. They laid out detail after detail of problems that were in there and other kinds of abuses. So that was surprising to me, and I can tell you from source that there was a team meeting. And there was some players you walked out of it, Wendy, Wendy j hood is his team meeting today. So it will be interesting to see what happens on the back end. But you know, it's important for people to remember, you can also had a lot of support through this from some players and and parents throughout. It. It was a mixed bag of reviews in terms of where everybody stood on this. But it was very important clearly to the board of regents that DJ Dirk and come back. How you mentioned those players walking out is this a done deal. Even if there is a tremendous amount of pushback from parents and even players or does this feel like they are hoping to put this out there. And if the PR isn't that bad they'll stick with it? Because I I was surprised to hear that low set in meetings that he didn't want her to stay, but was sort of given the that's not an option answer for his job. And if he's leaving June. Anyway, why wouldn't he have made that his last big move? Well, I was told that the reason he didn't Q two parts. One a source close to the situation told me that you're you're right that the board put pressure on low to retain DJ in order to keep his own job. The second thing I was told is that the reason Wallace slow did not fire DJ and then resign immediately instead of a year because there's this whole other academic side to it. And there are other things going on at Maryland. There are gains that need to be hired there. Other people within the university system of one point five billion dollar campaign going on right now that the board wants to see him finish through. There are other things going on there. And he wanted to stay to do that. So Heather, maybe I maybe I've been watching too many conspiracy theory documentaries on Netflix. I'll I'll I'll admit that. But there's a piece of me that feels like all this information comes out when the college football playoff rankings are coming out for the first time. I mean, it just sort of feels like it's trying to be buried as a story. Was there some intent in your mind to doing that? I don't think. So the way that it is operated they've had so many meetings. So many phone calls. They've talked about this for so long. They gave them though, a self imposed deadline of today to announce any recommendations or decisions. And so they they met that deadline it it just happened to be the first day of the college football playoff rankings. And I'm here in Dallas talking about it. Well, that doesn't help my conspiracy theory at all one thing, I do know no conspiracy recording required for follow on Twitter at C F B Heather to get all the great reporting, not just on Maryland. But obviously on what the committee decides to do tonight. I know you're very slammed. Heather we really appreciate your time. Thanks for coming on with us. Thank you both so much Spain and Fitz being the likelihood is at some point and probably earlier than I thought it was going to happen. We're going to be Kylo leading. That's the SPN NFL giants reporter Jordan Ronan and ups because that may not be the best solution anymore for the giants. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz presented by progressive insurance. And Kyle has made the news for all the wrong reasons when you're a fourth round draft pick that may become the starter some point this season in New York just to see what they have what you don't want to do is find yourself in the news because you're arrested at eight AM around eight AM this morning. He was driving his twenty seventeen Jaguar radically in heavy traffic near the pleasant avenue entrance to route four ninety five the cops told him to stay in his lane. He made an illegal turn towards the tunnel almost hidden officer. So this is the day before when he was finally stopped. He wouldn't provide his license. Registration wouldn't get out of his car. I mean, this is this is terrible terrible decision. Making from somebody that right now is on the mindset. Week or not a week ago month ago, a very few people knew a lot about letter. And now all of a sudden everybody's hearing his name and today, it's like, oh, wait that's the same guy that might become the starting quarterback doesn't feel good for giants fans right now terrible decision making you said he sounds ready for the start. Also, what's the fourth round pick do them with the Jag come on? That's too much money in the car that agreed. Our producer, Vince, very smartly, set breaking the law Leta, and this to me the timing is what really gets me it's like any other week. You would have seen this coming go. You would have said he's an idiot. And maybe we'll talk a little bit about whether he's still in play to take over for alive. But the very week that it becomes clear to many that he is going to get the start. It's just so dumb. It's so dumb. It's it's not even you know, you know, criminal enough to be something that you should be angry about him as a person. Aegis sounds like a jerk because we've all seen that before. Right. Where you see that the line of cars that needs to turn right goes way way back. So instead you pull through that middle lane. And at the last second pretend like you changed your mind and do a wide turn around on the Kearns fan. Like everybody's seen that guy or gal do that before. And been like, oh, what makes you better than me? And he did it two days in a row and the first day didn't get in trouble. And then he pushed his luck. And. Here we are. And the thing about it fits is that before the show we start trading around different possibilities. Like, what's the thing that you've done where you know, you're being a jerk? And that's just the jerk thing you do. And I said, you know, maybe I can think of something when I'm in my car. I am kind of an impatient. Driver. Maybe there's something that I do in my car, and every single thing we listed off as a possible thing that people do as a jerk move. You're like, yeah. I do that car though in the car. A very polite car, you know, very polite. Like a grandma which is also insulting. No, I don't drive like ram. Behind you leaning out the side trying to peer around and see if there's something keeping you going so slow for I just need to hit the gas and peel around you go the speed limit and wanna know the lane, I need to be I get into earliest possible. And I don't see the need to change your sexual times. Of course, I use my single amount of savage. There are two differs.

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: John Mara talks, Golden Tate suspension upheld, more

Big Blue View

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: John Mara talks, Golden Tate suspension upheld, more

"This episode is brought to you by cox with contour t._v. From cox you can find all your favorites all in one place. It doesn't have the youtube you bet that net flicker thing net flicks too and although superhero movies contour has all the latest titles on demand. Oh my grandkids love that being being green guy. I prefer the one with the hammer myself okay. I think we're done here now. Get all your favorite apps shows and movies right on contract tv from cox. Hello new york giants fans and welcome to new edition of the valentine's podcast here on big you radio part of the s._p. Nation family of podcasts. I'm your host ed. Valentine big blue view a few topics to discuss today as the new york giants giants get ready to face the chicago bears in their second preseason game training camp technically at least the public part of training camp is is over with. I asked pat shurmur about that. The other day and pat basically said look as far as we're concerned. The only changes that the fans can't come come out to practice any longer as far as we're concerned. It's still training camp and we still have a lot of work to do in preparation for the dallas cowboys so that's how the giants are approaching it as though this is still training camp really these days considering teams practice at home that that training camp is so limited the team so often practice in their own facilities as the giants do there isn't really much difference between what's what's considered training camp at and what isn't in terms of the preseason source shurmur probably correct nothing really changes for the giants other than the fact that they have to to spend some time you know prepping for games and <hes> for the last two preseason games. They'll have to travel to those games anyway giants fans. There are a few topics of interest that i wanted to hit today. I wanted to talk a little bit about the golden gate suspension. We'll talk a little bit about the remarks john john mara made during his meeting with the media on tuesday. We'll talk a little bit about the the giants decision to <hes> <hes> to waive punter ryan anderson and bring in a new punter johnny townsend of the formerly of the oakland raiders raiders and also will talk briefly about friday night's game against the chicago bears first. Let's talk about the the golden gate suspension. I wrote about this on wednesday at big blue view and listen. I know that golden tate has been very contrite trite. He's been very up front about the whole situation. I know that he appealed and he said he thought he had a good case and and i know that he he said after hearing that his appeal would be denied. The four-game suspension would be upheld that he had hoped four or thought that the n._f._l. Would be more understanding and listen. I get that he's contrite. He was hopeful. He wanted to believe that the four-game game suspension would at the very least be lessened to two or three games but if you know anything about the n._f._l. History with with p._d. Suspensions tensions. There's precedent for this particular drug claw made that <hes> that take admitted taking unknowingly according to <hes> to what he has said. There's precedent in a two thousand fourteen case involving robert mathis then of the indianapolis colts. This suspension was never going to be overturned. You know for me. Whatever tate has said whatever he did. Whatever ever his reasoning was i simply. Don't get it when it comes to when it comes to other n._f._l. Players it's very simple apple. The league policy is zero tolerance. Let me take a moment and actually read it to you. From the n._f._l.'s policy on performance enhancing enhancing drugs players are responsible for what is in their bodies in a positive test will not be excused because of player was unaware unaware that he was taking a prohibited substance there it is clear as day unmistakable no questions about that if you put it in your body you're responsible for it no matter how it got there no matter what you knew no matter what you didn't know no matter what questions chains you asked and listen take is in his tenth year in the n._f._l. Whatever his reason was whether he was trying to have another baby with his wife whether her he was trying to mask something else that he was taking because clo- meyde if you look into it co meyde as a masking agent used used sometimes by athletes try to mask steroids and i'm not insinuating anything. I'm just saying that this is the truth about this drug. Sometimes it is used used by players as a masking agent to hide steroids. That simply is a fact of life. It is the way that it is. I don't know why you know. Golden tate did what he he did but the fact of the matter is he could have easily preemptively figured out that this was a banned substance it. I mean it's on the the n._f._l. P._a. website on a list on a page with a complete list of banned substances. I was able to find this this myself in a search. That took me less than two minutes. I'm sure he knows about this page even if he doesn't he has an agent e could ask for resources. This is on this team doctors. I'm sure that even though he was no longer a member of the philadelphia eagles he could have called their doctors and asked ask he could have called the detroit lions where he played for several years and gotten information from from the team doctor there as to whether he could we've taken this. He could have gone directly to the n._f._l. And said is this drug something that i can take you know. This is the reason i want to take it. He didn't didn't do any of those things. He just took the drug because the doctor said oh. This is not a banned substance. I've given this to other n._f._l. Players i'm sorry that excuse doesn't wash not for a ten year veteran who has been through this a number of times who has seen other players suspended banded who knows the rules who understands the rules. It's it's inexcusable and as i said it in my piece on big blue view on on wednesday. No one should have expected the n._f._l. To do anything other than what they did here which <unk> plain and simple uphold the suspension and move move on the precedent has been set and they simply can't really make exceptions to that policy we kill the n._f._l. For making making for pretty much zigzagging all over the place when it comes to drug suspensions when it comes to things like in domestic violence suspensions. You never know what the n._f._l. Is going to do how they're going to treat those how long suspensions suspensions are gonna last. If there's going to be suspensions at all i will not kill the n._f._l. For being consistent for saying this is the policy. There's no exceptions exceptions. It's zero tolerance. We don't care what reason or if you think you had a good reason or if it was an honest mistake you know the policy. This is what was agreed three to end. This is the consequences and unfortunately for golden tate and the new york giants. These are consequences that they will feel for the first. I four weeks of the two thousand nineteen n._f._l. Season or a giants fans. Let's turn to another topic epic. The giants co owner john. Mara spoke to media on tuesday. A lot of his remarks were about daniel jones owns a lot of his remarks were about dave gettleman and of course a lot of his remarks were in regard to giants quarterback eli manning who is entering his sixteenth season with the franchise what i want to do right now. I wanna focus you. You know as we talk here. Today i want to focus on what he said about ally and daniel jones and how the two thousand and nineteen season might play out before we get into to my thoughts on those remarks. Let me play a brief clip for you from mira and i'm going to apologize in advance for the quality of this clip listen. It's not great. I know it's not great. We were in a big scrum. John was not at the podium he was simply. Standing on the field in the quest diagnostics training center practice bubble surrounded by reporters. There was a lot of ancillary noise around us. There was a lot going on a giant spoke largely with his head down he and to be honest. I thought he mumbled a little bit so in some instances. He's a little bit hard to hear. I did the best i could to <hes> to bump up the sound quality ready to fix the sound quality for you but i understand that it's not great so please give it a listen and i hope that you'd get something out of it. After we hear the clip we'll come back and talk about it. I liked it won't hopi last year the decision you betcha you would want to get into the playoffs game doesn't play with snap is okay with that jerry uh john he's the longest tenured player in franchise history. How much thought have you given how hard it might be no when you do have to say goodbye to him very difficult to motion along all right that was giants co owner john mara talking about eli manning in daniel jones in the upcoming two thousand and nineteen season you know during <music> a a recent you know media conference the other day at the quest diagnostics training center listen i was asked about some of these comments that that mayor made did specifically about being very happy in mara's words very happy. If daniel jones never played a snap during the two thousand nineteen season and i know that there's some consternation about those remarks and listen. I have no problem at all with what mira said. He did not denigrate daniel jones. He was very complimentary toward daniel jones. He believes the daniel jones can be a quarterback in new york. He likes what he seemed from. Daniel jones so far john mero was simply saying that in an ideal world the the giants will win games in two thousand and nineteen they would make the playoffs in two thousand and nineteen ally manning whether this is his last season with the giants are not would play well in two thousand and nineteen in the winning and manning's performance on the field would earn the starting quarterback the the right to remain as the starting quarterback that there wouldn't have to be a decision that there wouldn't have to be controversy as the season unfolds folds over who plays and who doesn't listen. Is that realistic. That wasn't a question for john merit. That wasn't what he was asked. He was asked you know what his ideal circumstance would be and like anyone else. He wants to win games. He should want to win games you. I didn't expect the owner to stand there and say well. I hope we lose the first four games and then <hes> we have to bench. Eli input daniel jones in there. He's not going to say that he. He wants this franchise to move forward. They believe as an organization that when you manning is done daniel jones will be able to to step in takeover n. Lead this franchise rate now. They want to see the giants win games. They've made the playoffs once in the last seven years. I believe once since they won the two thousand eleven super bowl. They're tired of losing they think they've made some inroads inroads toward making this team better toward toward building a winning product toward putting a better product a better team on the field. Mira said the other day said we need to win some games to show improvement. He's tired of the losing in his ideal world. He wants to see see the giants. Make the playoffs. Be competitive. Have a good season move forward if the way that this is going to go down own. I've said it many many times. If daniel jones plays games this season as a starter that means that the new york giants i answered doing badly. That might be a good thing for daniel jones. It may actually be a good thing in the long term for the franchise but it isn't what the franchise wants to see. They want to put a winning product out there. They want to be a good football all team. They want to do that now in for me. I don't understand why anyone who calls themselves. Giants fan why anyone in the fan base i would have a problem if they actually managed to do that this year if they're actually good and if eli manning plays well and if the giants come down to the final couple of weeks of the season in playoff contention legitimate playoff contention and if they actually make the playoffs that would be a good thing you know maybe for eli manning's legacy schumer but it would also be a really good thing for the young players on the roster obviously other than daniel jones owns to get to go through a playoff drive to get to play meaningful games at the end of the season. That's an important part of developing a winning team of developing a winning culture of getting better of learning to trust each other as players so you don't want a culture of losing. You don't want players to expect to lose you. Go three and thirteen five in eleven every year you go four and twelve you keep going through that that becomes a vicious issue cycle where that's what players get used to in the giants are trying to break out of that and and for my money you know my belief. Is that if you're a fan of team you should want to see that team win. Every time it steps on the field and that's all the john mara was saying that he wants to win games and if the giants win games james that means eli manning is doing well that means the offense is doing well. You know that that means they might make the playoffs and that means that there won't be a reason season four a quarterback controversy alright giants fans. Let's take a quick break for word from our sponsors then we'll come back and i have a couple of other topics that i wanted to hit <hes> before we call it a show today. Hey i'm spencer hall. I'm holly anderson. I'm i'm ryan nanny. I'm jason kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown forecast. 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We're we're gonna talk about food delivery tech. We are going to argue a lot about how to best behave in restaurants. Oh yeah big time so many things. I mean there's food in politics. Yes comes up. It might make you laugh. It might make you think it might even make you hungry. Daniel subscribed to eaters digest for free today on apple podcasts or you're in your favorite podcast app. Alright giants fans back here on the valentine's views news podcast on big blue radio. I'm your host ed valentine. The first part of the show we talked about golden tate's suspension. We talked about remarks the other day made by giants co owner john mara couple of other things to mention before we call it a show today. The giants in made a really interesting roster move on wednesday and i don't want to spend the podcast talking <unk> at length about the punter situation but this really interested me on wednesday. The giants claimed named on waivers punter. Johnny townsend from the oakland raiders townsend was really not good last year as a rookie with the raiders was near the bottom of the league in both the per punt average and in net average whereas you know riley dixon was good for the giants. It's last year <hes> the the giants were i think seventh in the league in net punting average but what i found interesting. Was that the giants to make room. Ooh on the roster. Four townsend have waived former rutgers punter ryan anderson a left footed punter who pat shurmur was very complimentary of earlier in the week who watching throughout the spring and in the the summer training training camp practices. I thought that ryan anderson had kicked the ball very well. My belief is that ryan anderson a left-footed footed kid who punted for rutgers in two thousand seventeen had a cup of coffee with the giants. A year ago i think had was a rookie minicamp tryout <music> out where he didn't get signed. My belief is that ryan anderson is an n._f._l. Caliber punter so i just thought that that this was was a really interesting move by the giants little bit of a surprise to see anderson go. I'm curious. What this means for riley dixon in order to claim a guy on waivers like this obviously to me means that they're that they're looking for competition for dixon for the punting job so we'll see how this develops. I just thought that it was a really interesting. Move by the giants won that i didn't expect acting to be honest. I feel bad for anderson. My guess is he's going to hook on somewhere that it won't take long and and i still believe that you're going to see ryan anderson kicking for someone during regular season action during the two thousand in nineteen season finally giants fans were just a couple days away from the second preseason game which will be friday night at metlife stadium against the chicago bears. That's a seven thirty it kickoff pat shurmur has said that he would like for all four quarterbacks to play in that game is simple just <hes> just like they all. Oh played in the preseason opener against the new york jets. I would expect that both eli manning and daniel jones <unk> seem more extensive action than they did inet preseason opener both guys only played one series manning of course with a three and out jones of course with the five five touchdown drive that <hes> set off you know mass hysteria in fan base in in some of the media <hes> so i would expect to see both of those guys play significantly more in friday night's game if the giants are able to get alex tanny and kyle aleta in toward the end of the game. They'll do that but i think the priority is going to be getting the top two guys more snaps apps. 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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 3 - Chris Simms (10-31-18)

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 3 - Chris Simms (10-31-18)

"It's all about me. Dan, patrick. There is more where that came from click back for new episodes all week log now is the time to visit Florida gorge to get that floor of your dreams. For a limited time, we're offering special financing for eighteen months on purchases of ninety nine or more. Choose from the largest in stock selection at guaranteed, everyday, low prices, top-quality floors, rock bottom, prices and credit offer to help you complete that project. Offer ends ten twenty one eighteen visit Florida court today or Florida core dot com promotional financing available with Florida or credit card accounts offer by community capital Bank, which he turns Paul vacations for credit and promotional eligibility. Minimum monthly payments required. Broadcasting live from the Mercedes men case, it's Dan Patrick twenty lower on this Wednesday end of the dannettes, Dan, Patrick show spent a lot of time last hour talking about what's going Maryland football DJ Durkan is being brought back. They did. Well in his absence, the head coach you had a death under his watch Jordan McNair nineteen year old and he's coming back and. You know, I had some emails tweets and phone calls where people were talking about this situation. And I said if there's somebody who can tell me the counter argument to it as to this make sense, bringing DJ Durkan back I wanted to know football wise, if you why you're bringing him back. I understand that there's money at stake. Is there culpability there's already culpability? The president already said there's culpability now that there was a toxic culture going on. If you have one hundred ninety two page document there that talks about this. But a lot of people have emailed to say it's about the lawsuit the day, they resolve the lawsuit with the parents, they will fire everyone. But if they fired anyone before that lawsuit the firing would cost the university. Millions can't you fire DJ Durkan. Can't you just fire him for not being a good football? Coach can you fire him for toxic culture. If you fire him does that mean, you're admitting guilt with what happened with Jordan McNair, the president? I believe is already talked about this. He's already admitted that there's culpability there and the five million dollar buyout with DJ Durkan. What isn't DJ Dirk and do the right thing and just resigned. Eight seven seven three DP show, Email address teepee, Dan, Patrick dot com. We'll talk to Christine from NBC sports. He'll join us. Coming up James t Brady is the president. I believe of the university of Maryland border regions, and he talked about DJ Durkan situation. We believe that coach Durkan has been unfairly blamed for the dysfunction in the Atlantic department. And while he shares some responsibility, it is not fair to place all of it at his feet. The board of regents recommends to the university leadership that coach Durkan remain head coach of university of Maryland college park football team. Maryland makes headlines for all the wrong reasons here, I can't imagine DJ jerk is the head coach of this team next year. Matt. Because you're going to be used against you as far as recruiting. I mean, just the football just the product you're putting on the field or trying to put a good product on the field. And a lot of people said, why don't you get boomer science? And on former Maryland quarterback we reached out for boomer boomer said he had some things going on. Appreciate it us reaching out. But if he had a different argument or discussion point I would have put him on in a second. So it's not like I'm saying, hey, let's just all gang up on Maryland football. I'm open to listening. If you know, Maryland, we've invited people from Maryland to come on DJ, Dirk Nkhoma, the president to come on Daniel in South Carolina. Hi, daniel. What do you have for me? Hi, dan. It's one one seventy five. You know, this is really a I don't get it. I heard some of the comments I heard one comment from I think it was the president. Who said we don't believe that he created a toxic culture, but he did create a culture where and he basically described toxic culture. So seems like they're talking out of both sides of their mouth and a quick how we nickname out. Stephen ghost Kalki kicker for the patriots. Okay. I've let me run it by fritzy fritzy. Ghost counts. No alec. It's workable, it's better than probably two thirds of what I shared earlier, Josh and Los Angeles joins us. Hi, josh. ADP things are taking my call can a buck ninety five. I think that you brought up the resign thing at the beginning of the segment, and that's where my head's at is. I think this is a case where resigning for DJ Dirk in is not only best for the school and for Jordan McNair parents. But it's also the best thing for durken's career because he can he can go to the parents and say, I'm so sorry. This happened on my watch they'll settle with some financial settlement outside a court, and then he walks away. And maybe he looks good in the public eye. And maybe he can kinda reevaluate and say, you know, what I can't have this anything like this ever happened. Again. He can start off, you know, maybe at a smaller school, and now he's toast. He's gonna get lucky to get a diesel three job at this point. He ain't never cover from that. Well, he might get somebody that he knows who will bring him in and assistant. Coach. Thank you. Josh that happens a lot when there's a scandal in the coach gets fired. Then sometimes you bring him in as an assistant coach you can sort of hide him a little bit and let him kind of build his way back up. But. And you're just looking and and it's not a great program to begin with. And he didn't have a great record. He's ten and fifteen and then you're going to bring him back. Could you have kept him suspended? To bring him back. Like, you're just you're revisiting these headlines again. And if I and if I keep him suspended, and I say to him look its best for all of us that you're not coming back here. We'll keep you suspended. We'll pay you. But I don't see the positive of this the so by bringing him back, then you're saying, hey, he's not responsible for any of this. Well, he is whether it's hands on or by proxy. This is your strength and conditioning. Coach who ran your your your workouts? You hired him. He's your guy. You can't separate the two. Trust me. The second most important person in a college program is the coach in strength and conditioning. Coach. In if you're the head coach, your DJ jerkin, the reason why you get paid what you get paid. Is. You assume own responsibilities that that goes with your title? You know, you get paid for this. You get paid when you win. You get blamed when you lose there's buyouts there's bonuses. There's all of this. So you can't all of a sudden pick and choose and say, well, no you not involved in this. And I don't I don't like pointing fingers in certainly Maryland football. But I I just can't imagine what this must be like for the family of that boy who died and you're going to go. Yeah. He's hey, not head coach. All right. Anybody else lose their jobs? You can't admit that there's culpability because you're worried about a lawsuit. Hey, we got budgetary concerns here. So you're the university losing money. Yeah. Could you see a scenario where the disgruntled players on the team and some of already joined Twitter and are set stuff on Twitter. Do some type of protests or some type of walkout out a big game this weekend. Michigan state at home. Their biggest game of the year at home. You know, what this has become must see TV just for the start of the game, in my opinion that normally you wouldn't watch Maryland play anybody, and the fact that Maryland's playing Michigan state at home after this. And I'm wondering what these kids, and I was asked if I was in college, and I was nineteen or twenty. I don't know if I'd have the backbone to do it. But as a football player and football team in what are you going to do? What should you do? What's the right thing to do? Because somebody's going to say, well, you know, Jordan McNair would want us to play or you know, what we should do something in his honor in his memory. So it's it's not an easy answer. And these kids have had enough thrust upon them that I don't want to put that on top of this like, you gotta do something whatever they do. They're going to do it for their reasons. The right reasons as a team as a teammate, but. Not going away. Not gonna win already NFL trade deadline. We talked to Peter King about this. If you missed any of the interviews you can go to the app, go to Dan, Patrick dot com. We talked about golden Tate Texans getting various Thomas Dante Fowler going to the Rams. I think all of these were great pickups for these teams. Really do. I like the Rams especially with Fowler. Got a guy who can rush the passer. Golden Tate is still good is, you know, he had lost the shine a little bit because you know, Kenny golladay became the number one guy in Detroit and to marry his Thomas helps the Texans now that gives you, you know, a a Robin to Batman with the Andrei Hopkins college football rankings. Bama, Clemson LSU Notre Dame. And then you've got Michigan Georgia, Oklahoma. Who's the team that's going to be out on the outside looking in and Ohio State still has a chance here because if you beat Michigan he still going to have a chance in your Ohio State, Georgia Kentucky this weekend. That sneaky good as well. The rockets are now one in five. Five and I would think there's a little bit more concern there because they were so close last year, it feels like they're so they're farther away from winning a championship than they were. And do you go after Jimmy Butler? Now, can you get Jimmy Butler? If four first round picks aren't gonna you're gonna have to give up somebody, and that's what they don't want to do. But if I'm Minnesota, I don't give up Jimmy Butler for just the draft picks. I need somebody now. Absolutely ardy. We say good morning to our radio and TV partners. Phone calls are always welcome. Eight seven seven three DP show, Email address teepee, Dan, Patrick dot com. Say good morning to direct TV the audience network channel two thirty nine the MDC sports network and our great radio Phillies around the country. Mclovin is not here. This segment he is putting on his Halloween costume, right? After the break. We'll bring him out. He said that he could only wear it about eight seconds because he then thinks he's going to die. Do we know anything about this polling zero he his tone is used his MO as you say seventies or eighties athlete, usually kind of obscure? Okay. I walked by the bathroom. And I and he was he I could hear him trying to stuff things into a constume grunting. Yes. So I I I'm not not quite it. Gimme a guest here. Anybody gotta guess who. Mclovin is going to go. Seton has no clue Pauling any clue here. I went back in the back to see if he had brought in some gear, and I didn't see anything. He's been. He's been pretty clandestine about this. I can ABA player. Uniform, but he can't breathe. I know that's the K tight uniform. Maybe that could be tight uniform. You're right mascot, maybe for got an idea that Phoenix Suns gorilla or something. Like that. We give away who just got didn't Philadelphia team. Just get a new mascot. All fires. The flyers got that weird googly eyes. Guess I like that guess long that could be an orange tree monster whatever that is more phone calls coming up, by the way, max last night much in buffalo. Miami of Ohio. It was awesome. I think they had five touchdowns in the first. I dunno eighteen minutes of the game. It was great. It was fun. It was one of those where I'm watching. So here it is Tuesday night. And my wife comes down to the basement because I'm sitting there by myself and she goes football on Tuesday. And I go, yes. And then she goes who is it. I said. Buffalo in Miami of Ohio. And then she goes, whatever. And she just kept walking. Like, oh now, you don't get it. I got action baby. You ready for some action? Yes. I was actually I tell we'll take a break. Mclovin. We'll have the big unveil here. If you're watching on NBC sports network direct TV audience network channel two thirty nine fourteen after the hour back after this. Hey listeners this college football season. Remember that a little exaggeration makes every story more intensity like dose AKIs the beer used to water every college football field in America. But don't take it from us. Take it from legendary football coach, les miles. 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He can't see first of all say you also whispered to me that he can't hear. So what kind of communication you're going to have with professor gritty can the side. Would you put that head on? Definitely not. Okay. Too many bad member. That would be breathe. Can I take it off? Yes, you can. Well done mclovin who guests who gets the Philadelphia Flyers Seton? But a cleaned up version, but he looks like a crazy overweight drug addict coffin, and this is a if he got his act together if he cleaned up his act if he went into rehab, e would look like you I got some Email here. Some great Email, and I always appreciate the input that the audience provides. This is from Clint, I'm an attorney in Pennsylvania, the retaining of the head coach at Maryland can't be a decision because of fear of possible lawsuit. There is a rule of evidence that says a correcting measure can't be used in court to imply guilt. So any lawsuit wouldn't even be able to mention that. He was fired. This is from Isaac Barkley who says I do not disagree at all. But I think you've gotta follow. The paper trail Maryland is still paying Randy edsels, currently the second highest paid state employees boosters are contributing to salaries so adding DJ Dirk in to that list isn't necessarily a good look they're hoping he takes another job or leaves on his own at the end of the season. So that money doesn't have to be paid horrible move. Because it tells the players and families that Maryland only cares about money, which is something we already know about college sports, my kids wouldn't play there. And I love the school. Thank you Isaac. This is from Monte DP new angle possible. Possibly the reinstatement of DJ Durkan would provide him the opportunity to retire. Which would save on the payout. If he's fired possibly the university. Said you retire and save face the we're will fire you with. 'cause in you in court if needed. It's. Guess not a simple solution here. I'm just curious what the legal ramifications are because that's what this is. If there was no lawsuit. There was not money big money attached to this would Maryland have kept DJ Durkan and the answer is no in my opinion. So if you're doing it to protect yourself with lawsuits shame on you. But I think that that's probably what's happening. We'll talk to Chris Simms. He'll join us coming up. Get his thoughts on this as well. Eight seven seven three DP show, Brandon in North Carolina joins us, Brandon. When he had for me today. Dan, what I have for you is they proposal. Okay. Now, it doesn't have good elect today. You guys you're talking about yesterday. But I was interested in Luca Pagliuca Don chick year for what are you guys with the field? Shower. Shane a shower of does anybody wanna piece of Brandon and North Carolina shower shame. He takes Luca, Don Shik, and you guys can have everybody else. Mclovin. I'm silly that twain Haskins for the Heisman versus the field bet. So I think that's one too many. All right. Paulie, Luca Dante's, averaging twenty points, six rebounds, four assists. Trae young nineteen points, three rebounds, six and a half assist. The Andre eight and seventeen points, ten rebounds or assist in a block those big four Baddeley's in there. And that's about it. Okay. Does anybody wanna piece of this bet with Brandon North Carolina? Anybody anybody mclovin, I'll jump in just for the juice. Okay. I mean, it's a syllable big field against them. Right. The andrea. Yeah. What do you think damn Whitson lies bet here? I think de'andre Aden's going to continue to put up, you know, good numbers. But Luca Danni Chik, man. I think he's he showed that he's he's here. He's ready to play h nineteen. So there you go Brandon. We we got a bet. All right, Dan. Just real quick. I do have what could be the net the sour of shame. Okay, eastern Europe. Big I work in a brewery. So the shower of shame. We'll be on a Monday, you get a five gallon bucket of spent grain you leave that out till Friday outside in the sun rain dog p whatever. And that's what will be dumped on mclovin or that's a little harsh there. I mean, we don't need dog urine on you. But I you know, whatever happens to it. Thank you Brendan. Thank you. Yeah. Right. So you're signed up there. This is a tough one. He's got a great chance. I mean, he's thirty six years old and say, he's no we had more Cuban on. And he said that there were couple of a racer marks there on his verse ticket. But he does believe that Luca Danni chick is nineteen. He should be your favorite player. Fritzy? Oh, that's not necessary. Lusa donncha. Got a stat of the day here seating. If you'll hit the music. Games with over ten three pointers all time. Steph curry has six of those Klay Thompson to then it's Kobe kyri Donyell Marshall Dennis Scott JR Smith and Darren Williams all with one dental tire stat of the day. I was wondering about this. What if at the end of the year, Golden State was playing a bad team and the coach on the other team said, hey to Steve Kirk you don't want. Let's see what your guys can do in a game. Like, go out and have fun. I don't care. Yeah. Put it on my guys, you know, because what would Klay Thompson scored the other night. What would Steph curry of scored earlier this year when he had fifty and three quarters sixty five. Is somebody somebody going to approach Eighty-one at any point? And who would be the guy that you would give the green light. If you just said one guys get the green light now with Klay Thompson, you sort of have to feel him out. You know is he hitting a shot because you went from that Knicks game when I watched and I went his, no, he's no no clue with his jumper, and even CLYDE Frazier said it he's in his head comes out and has that performance. But wouldn't you want to see just how great Golden State could be in one game against a really bad too? And you don't want to run the risk of rubbing it in. And then somebody takes shot at you. Because that that's really, you know, but Koby put up eighty one against Toronto and it was a competitive game. So wouldn't a blowout? Did you see where Jalen rose was in Los Angeles at the I believe the Lakers game. And Laker fans were chanting eighty one eighty one eighty on and Jalen didn't guard covy the whole time. Didn't Jalen talk about that. He goes. I mean, we all guarded him or at least try to guarding their Channing Eighty-one eighty one eighty one. Chris Simms Bleacher report NFL analyst former NFL quarterback. And of course, co host with Mike Florio with pro football talk live joining us this program brought to you by the twenty eighteen Reseda AM G E class with a suite of innovative technologies. It's one of the most intelligent cars on the road. Go to NBA USA dot com or visit local dealership. Schedule a test drive today. Chris good morning. Thanks for joining us. We'll get through the NFL in a moment. What do you make of what's happening with Maryland bringing back DJ Durkan? You know, it's a it's a weird situation altogether. I can't say Dan that I've followed it all that closely. I think the listen, I it's unfortunate situation where you would think there would be better protocol and things like that in place. But to me, you know, again, I'm not going to sit there and say that, you know, coach Durkin should never been able to coach again in the NFL or coaching college football ever again. But I will say this that, you know, the whole college like you got to work until you puke and all that old school thinking, it's gotta go it's stupid and their needs. That's why there needs to be almost like the NFL. Will you have like that third party doctor on the sideline there needs to be somebody like that around college football programs during off season training and things like that? Because I've seen that kind of stuff at Texas not that anybody came close to death. But you know, I it's oh, you know, you're not tough unless you're throwing. Up or you know, you're going and pushing yourself till you can't go anymore. It's a stupid way to train first of all sciences already proven that why do you train guys to work like that? When the sports about four second explosions, it's just outdated stupid from that standpoint. Dan, I guess that's my take more than anything and you practice in the heat, and I mentioned the strengthened conditioning coach might be the second most important person on a football staff, but aside from the head coach and the head coach is the one who brings him in right? Yes. Exactly. Right. That's that's the head. Coach is you're you're right. I mean, I think he's the second most important guy and just about any college football program. And yes, he's usually a guy that is extremely well trusted by the head coach. And you know, also I'd say to that too about the outdated training methods. You know, it just Wh-why is it offense lineman running and doing all that like wide receivers and running backs. Like, you know, hey, a rhino doesn't have the same skill set as a cheetah. So why would we expect it to be able to? Do the same things. I think I think that's the thing that drives me crazy even thinking about back to my day or even now when I see high school practices or anything like that. I just go just makes no sense that it offense alignment is expected to run and have the same endurance at all of that of a wide receiver who's, you know, six foot one hundred and eighty pounds and has like seven percent body fat couple NFL things here with the trade deadline. I know we love to do winners and losers here. And and a lot of times we do winners and losers with draft picks. But I always say I got to wait three years to find out or four years if I won or lost with a draft pick with a trade deadline golden Tate's gonna play right away. Dante Fowler right away to marry his Thomas right away. So let's assess it in real time who who was the big winner yesterday. I look at the eagles is the big winner. I I think the golden Tate move was phenomenal by Philadelphia. And I know that Philadelphia, oh we wanted to Sean Jackson and all that. Or are they needed a steep guy? First of all, golden Tate. It has a lot of speed still. He's still is explosive has incredible acceleration. You know, he's a typo player, Dan that you're seeing more and more at the wide receiver position in the NFL, which I call wide receivers that are in running back bodies. Right. And he I look at the eagles this year. I don't think they're going to get back to what they were last year in the run game. Why should they were one of the best one teams in football this year there somewhere around twentieth and football running Jason Peters being in and out of the lineup. They're always having to meet a lane Johnson being hurt. I think they're going to have to depend on Carson Wentz and his right arm more this year, then last year, and golden Tate can do all those little tyreek hill things that you see Eddie redo in Kansas City. He can do the speed sweeps. You could toss sweep them like you. So Dowell Patterson would the New England Patriots last week. But I do think he brings great value. And I think, you know, with Nelson Aguilar, and of course, alshon Jeffery who's the big target on. The outside. But I and Tate will be a great combination. Yeah, they're similar players in theory. But I think Kate is more dangerous in space or making plays happen with the ball in his sand. After the catch that that's the one. I'm most excited about also. Because I look at the eagles too is, you know, I don't think they played their best football yet this year. And I think there are a team that's still a Super Bowl contender in my eyes. And if they get in the playoffs I'd say watch out in the NFC if I gave you the Rams of the field in the NFC. Yeah. Who you taking? Ooh. I would probably take the field. But that would be really tough. I mean, it's a close one. But I have so much respect for Sean Payton down in New Orleans and their style of football. And what we've seen them do just here in the last few weeks. You know, they're they're a team. You know, it doesn't matter anymore. Drew brees. Oh, he's gotta be in the dome to win playoff games. You know, drew Brees is phenomenal. But there are team that showed over the last two weeks. They can win a number of different ways. They really kind of not offense align special that defense allies got three first round picks on it, and Sean Payton how tough his teams are and his ability to game plan. I think is a factor in that. And then the NFC is just so talented to and the other factor. I throw into that with against the field is the Rams, you know, as you know, are still a very young football team and learning their way. So that's why I would say the field. But I still think the Rams either favorite if I gave you the patriots of the field. Ooh, good question. I think. Who New England Patriots are the field. I would go with the field this year. I would I don't think the patriots are slam dunk to come out of the AFC this year. I still think that if Kansas City somehow got New England come into Kansas City in January is going to be extremely tough on the New England Patriots. You know, I look at the Houston Texans as a team that gets into playoffs with that front if they can stay healthy. And to Shawn Watson the way they'll run the football. They could be dangerous. I think the chargers are dangerous. So, you know, again, New England New England would be my pick as the best team in the AFC. But I think I would still take the field that a close one. They're the best, quote, you how about your opinion. I want to hear yours. Well, I picked the saints in chargers to play in the Super Bowl. So we were thinking alike. Yeah. I I picked the saints in the Steelers. I had the chargers go into AFC championship game. But okay, I I like it. Then you the man does lay on bell play for the Steelers this year. Yes. He will play for the Steelers. I I do think that will happen. I, you know, they're not gonna resend his franchise tag or do something like that. Why? So he can go down and sign with the Philadelphia Eagles, and they can hear about it in their home state or signs with the Baltimore Ravens. And then gets into play. Also, that's certainly not happening anything like that. I do think he'll play. I don't think you're gonna see a good Levy on built. So the very end of the season, and he'll be in prime shape for the playoff. But, you know, hey, James got her is doing a great job there. And I think bells probably probably every bit as excited as James Connor that he's doing that. You know, one of the big things. Well, be bell. Doesn't wanna come back. It didn't wanna come back 'cause he didn't want to be beaten into the ground, but you know, four hundred and fifty touches this year to where it hurts future value, and he's being a businessman, but I think he'll be back there eventually talking to Chris Simms from pro football talk live co host with Mike Florio Bleacher report NFL analyst a best wing costume. Do you ever? Go dressed as your dad for Halloween. No. No. I mean, gosh, I looked just like I dressed like him every day. I guess I couldn't get away from people couldn't even remember my name, Dan. I mean, they just call still or little Phil. Even when it got to the NFL you. I'd get sacked in a NFL game. And you know, the referee even look at me, you, okay? Still, okay. Yeah. So I didn't need address this. Okay. All right. Sorry. Sensitive still sensitive. I'm not sensitive at all not says the best quarterback in New England. This sunday. We'll be. Oh, you just want like, well, you know, my thoughts on Aaron Rodgers. I think he's the greatest of all time. But I think that statistically would all said and done who's the best quarterback Sunday. Yeah. I I gotta go with Tom Brady there. I just because of the you know, the parts around him. It's just too hard on Aaron Rodgers. It's always having to do it all himself. You know, you've heard me say many times that that offense is scheme in Green Bay is, you know, kindergarten math compared to what New England does advanced algebra, and well why allow that to happen? He's he's got more power in there in that organization than Mike McCarthy, does doesn't he I I mean? Yes, probably, but you know, again Rogers, this is the environment. He grew up in, you know, I always say this to Mike Florio. He doesn't know what he doesn't know. Right. He's watching New England film and going dead. How these guys get doing? What is this? And you know, unfortunately, Green Bay still run. Running the same offense. But fall right in nineteen Ninety-seven. And you know, like you saw last week Wade Phillips I watched that film yesterday. I mean, it was like he knew the plays that were coming. Sometimes. There was nobody open, and it's just Rogers having to make magic too much. I just I know if the Packers don't make the playoffs finished. It's over it's over. Let's go Mike McCarthy that yes, it has to it. Either has to go or he has to bring in a new fresh offense of mind, that's outside of the realm of, you know, west coast guys, you know, I know they brought Joe Philbin back, but you know, wolf d- freaking dill Joe Philbin. Was there before it's the same old, crappy ideas? How would how would ra- Rogers do in a New England system? Well, I'll I'll I mean, you know, of course, I think he would do phenomenal. And I I know Brady, you know, I saw a quote from Ian, O'Connor a few weeks ago on Twitter that you know, Brady told some defensive coordinator in the NFL that oh my gosh. If Aaron Rodgers played here in New England Heathrow for seven thousand yards every year. You know? Yeah. I mean, you know, again, I'm not trying to knock Tom Brady. People think I'm Tom Brady hater, and I just think he's absolutely phenomenal. And he's an all ways. I really do. But Aaron Rogers to me is like he's Michael Jordan. That is Michael Jordan. He's he is in another world. I just go. It's the strongest arm ever the quickest released ever he's excuse me. He's one of the best scramblers ever. Hey, he's the quickest forty thousand yards and three touchdowns. He's the greatest gunslinger we've ever seen and nobody protects the ball better interception to touchdown ratio. Then Aaron Rodgers second on that list is Brady at three two one and Rogers is at four to one. That's just that's I think that's speaks to the incredible talent. And Aaron Rodgers has it. I'm not trying to take anything away from Tom Brady of Boston the Boston, mafia. Oh, come after me. I still walked on Brady. Trying to keep what do you think Brady out in Halloween? Oh, like king-size everything, you know, king size and probably like some New England Fennell you would like an autograph or something like that. Autographed. Picture. He can't give candy. Whoa. You're right. And like all the very healthy, organic and. Out steamed vegetables. Yes. It like organic granola. You know? That's why you saw you gotta give the autograph picture of. Yeah. Go they're like man that's Tom Brady, but this candy stinks. So you gotta give a picture to go along with it. With a signed autographs did your dad feel extra pressure to give out? Better candy growing up. Still still does Dan still does dad is like he's built this aura in and he will have a line going up his driveway tonight. And my sister is in charge. And she spends thousands of dollars on the in. My dad gets great pride at knowing. He had the best Halloween. You know, give her in Franklin lakes, New Jersey. Nice. Yeah. Thank you talk to you soon. All right. That's Chris Simms. Pro football talk live co host and Bleacher report NFL analyst former NFL quarterback. He gave you a you man to man. Yes, mclovin. He went a little system quarterback there. I'd never I I'd heard that. Aaron Rodgers is not a system quarterback. Right. But he's saying that quote, the Tom Brady said that air Rogers would dominate in my system. That's interesting. He would. Would every quarterback dominate in that system? Because we go back to my argument with a west coast offense with Montana and Steve Young. And then you brought in Jim Druckenmiller or Elvis Gurbachan. They didn't become great quarterbacks. So you can have a system in place. I need you to be able to run the system. Yes, mccollum. I totally understand all this era. Dresses, rewritten the record book in this system at when did this system, become bad and this system resuscitate Brett farve career? Like, it's hats it worked for Joe Montana. Why west coast became so all that? Do you think he has the pieces around him? I do rookie receivers. Green Bay has done a disservice. Aaron Rodgers I believe personnel live or scheme was personal and perhaps scheme wise. But I would I would defer to those who have played the sport to tell me differently on that. But I think they've done a disservice to him. I think we'll look back on the Rogers era like if you gave him Ben Rothlisberger town. Don't you think Rogers is doing more with that? He's going to have one Super Bowl to show for his career perhaps and people still make the argument. He's the greatest quarterback of all time. Now, he's the most talented quarterback. You can make that argument. Can I say he's the greatest quarterback of all time? I don't think he can. Yeah. Mclovin. But the it'd be he's put up better numbers than any quarterback in history. Arguably so it's not the offense defense is never stepped up to match them. Yeah. I mean, he's got the those guys make the weapons don't they Brady never has anybody. I mean Brady's receivers have been kind of a mishmash. Yeah. And I think that's that's a credit to getting the right people putting him in the right places. They took chances. They took chances on gronk with his bad back. That's why didn't go first round Aaron Hernandez. We know the baggage he had that's why he didn't go first round their first round talent. But some of the other wide receivers like Kevin Faulk became irreplaceable until James white came on board here, but they take Dion Lewis and make him a star HOGAN, they take him off the scrap heap amendola. You know, nobody heard of element before. So I have to give credit to the the the entire system. There of drafting those players to understand what their roles are going to be. I mean, it's phenomenal. It really is that it's, you know, interchangeable parts every single year feels like, and it's almost like degree of difficulty. When we started this season. I said man they've done it again where you just bring in some of these guys, and you can say all right, Tom, go make it work. You know, but they did go all in on Sony. Michelle using a first round pick on him, which I thought was eye opening because I'm on how Bella check went all in on a skill position guy because he always it always feels like he can go. Let me see who. Can I pick up this guy Rex Burkhead? Yeah. Who is Joan gray was that his name Jonas Jonas gray. He had that great that they cut him because he was like layoff by five minute. I know. Yeah. Seton? And that's actually what opened the door to Dion Lewis. I think was Jonas gray is late for a meeting. So they benched him and put in and put in Dion. All right. We'll come back last call for phone calls. What we learn. What's in store? Tomorrow. We did find out that Jared Goff was scheduled for Thursday, not Wednesday. And he will join us tomorrow. Definitely will be part of. Thank you, John. We'll come back after this support for the show comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans, America's premier home purchase lender. Let's talk about buying a home. It could be one of the most important purchases you'll ever make. But today's fluctuating interest rates can leave you with unexpected higher payments, which can turn a great experience and anxious one. That's why curriculum created exclusive Powell buying process. 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I was never around for Halloween, and my wife said you gotta take a Halloween off. And I said all right. I'll take a Halloween off it's sportscenter and just walking around with the kids. I mean, it's great because I mean, they they go it doesn't matter if you're walking with them. But they go crazy where the, you know, going house to house, and, you know, all of a sudden, it's you bring the pillow Kate because I said, why don't you get a pillowcase Nagel? Why would we? Put the candy in the pillowcase. I said you can carry more in the pillowcase because they wanted to have like these little date t little bags like, oh, no, no, no pillowcase, man. Yeah. For and then they get so excited when they get that jumbo candy bar, and at the end of the night, the poor everything out on the table or on the floor, and they're doing little trades with siblings of friends, you know, things when likes more than the other. I do drive bys though with like, my well, my son took inventory, so. Of all his candy because he then the next day go three bay, Bruce. Wait a minute. There's supposed to be to Snickers only one here. And then I guard I took when I was the best though. Yeah. You lay it all out and sort of got five kit cats. Here's we know. And then whenever you knew as a kid that somebody gave out something great. Then word got around the neighborhood. Oh, you gotta start. You gotta stop at the Thorpe's. Then they got great stuff. That branded you as the rich family in town where if you live in a middle class area or lower middle class area, the people give out full size. It's like, oh, what's what's going on there? So we've got to raise we gave out embarrassing candy. We did we did like it's it's we gave out stuff that we didn't even take Mike my brothers and sisters. We didn't take right now. We don't we don't want it. It's like my dad's beer, it was, you know, never spending money on beer. So we never took it. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Breaking down narratives

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Breaking down narratives

"Hello giants fans and welcome to a new edition of the Valentine's views podcast, here on big blue view radio part of the SP nation family podcasts on today's show. We're going to take a look at the giants some of the narratives that have surrounded the giants heading into OTA's, which begin on Monday and here to, to help me discuss breakdown. Some of those narratives is Patricia traina, Patty, how are you today? And thank you very much for, for spending, some time with me, always a pleasure at anytime. Hey, you know, we so let's, let's get right into this Patty here we we've seen, you know, we've seen free agency. Now. We've seen the draft. We know you know, pretty much what the giants roster's going to look like heading into into the two thousand and nineteen season. And it. This point it looks like there are certain narratives that we hear constantly surrounding the giants. And that's what I really want to do today. I'm going to toss out these narratives, I'm going to give you the opportunity to give your, your viewpoint on them. You know, when, when you're done, maybe, I'll, I'll weigh in with a little bit of my own opinion on on these different topics in and we'll see where it goes today. All right. Sounds good. All right. So the first narrative comes about after the free agent, signing of veteran, right, tackle Mike remers in the narrative, basically is okay. The offensive line is fixed. And I don't know that it's fixed. But that's people are saying, okay, it's fixed. Where do you stand on, on fixed on the offensive line? Well, you know, we were told last year or the narrative last year after the giants made. Although signings was that the offense align was fixed as well. And we all know what happened in the beginning of the season, how that line proved to be not Dick's that it was different, but it was not fixed. So we had this year, you know, Kevin Zeitler is, is an upgrade. No question about it. He was pro football focuses top rank guard, I think last year, the thing with remers who, by the way is actually, you know, if you go when you look at his pro football grades, sorry pro football, focus grades. He's actually a better tackled in us guard. But the thing that bothers me is whether or not Mike remers is back is going to hold up. He did have the surgery. You know, he we have he did everything he was supposed to. He was able to pass physical, but as you know, those back injuries can be tricky. So the next question for me is God forbid, he has the Missa gain what's their backup option right now? Chad Wheeler is it big joy? George, is it someone else. That's where I'm a little bit shakey. So in terms of looking at the offensive line, I'm looking at not just the starters. I'm looking at the depth in the event of an emergency. I look at it this way Patty from where we were a year ago, with Patrick mom may with crossing our fingers. And hoping that the giants could get something out of Iraq flowers, as a right tackle, I look at it as the giants with Kevin Zeitler, and with Mike remers would appear to be in a better place than they were a year ago. But I don't think you can say fixed until we see these guys perform. I mean remers is an adequate, and he's an average right tackle, he's a guy that's got some guard experience. I think he signed a one year contract. He's not a long-term solution. He's a guy that they hope to get adequate play from and buys them, some time, maybe to get into the draft next year and hopefully find a long-term answer. I still question whether the giants have a long-term answer. It's. Center in John Hal, a peo-. I just don't know. I mean, I think we still have questions about that starting offensive line. And you're also right about the depth. I look at I, I wonder who would play in how well would they play if Kevin Zeitler went down or will Hernandez went down or God forbid, Nate soldier went down on the other side? I think the giants are in a better place than they were a year ago on that offensive line. But, but I won't say fixed. I think, as Dave Gettleman, Pat Shurmur have indicated they always want to put additional resources into both lines offense and defense. And I think that upgrading in and continuing to build those lines is going to be a constant work in progress. Yeah. I agree with you. You know, offense lines though come together overnight, it does take time it takes reps, and I think the giants are headed in the right direction. Shin. But like I said, for me, they're still a few question marks before. I am ready to say that yesterday of solve all their problems on that unit. I do have to say, though, that in my, my little bit of dealings with, with big George and some of the people, I've had a chance to talk to about big, George. I really liked that kid and I hope that he turns out to be as good a player as he is a person because if that's the case, then the giants would really have something there. Yeah. I agree with you. He's a terrific young man, you know, seems very willing and eager to get started to learn but you know you gotta do it on the field. That's where it all boils down to. I mean there have been many guys who've come into camp over the years for the giants who have been terrific human beings, who you can't help root for, but when it comes to the talent ex aspect of it and the execution they fallen short. So hopefully George won't be one of them. And hopefully, you know, he can become the long term solution. If you know the giants decide to move. On from remembers after this year. Okay. Patty, second narrative to touch on. Is that when you look at the draft, and you look at free agency that while the giants spent a lot of capital on cornerback? And they drafted Dexter Lawrence to help the defensive line that they didn't do enough to help the pass rush. I'm going to say on paper. Yes, I agree with that, because, you know, look, they've got Marcus golden on a one year proof at deal. He's coming back two years renew. He'll be two years removed from that, that achilles injury that he had. So they gave him a one year prove at deal. They have Otane seminars who is trying to make the jump from a smaller program. They have Lorenzo Carter who showed some flashes last year. But still had some work to do. They have. I'm trying to think who else they have a career Martin, you know who disappeared at times last year. And they have Lorenzo Carter who is trying to, you know, take the next step forward. They don't have her say, a proven pass rusher golden. It's the closest thing they have. So would that set? I what I think is going to happen in this instance is while the giants are kind of, you know, allowing those edge guys to find their footing. So to speak. I think we're going to see instances where James betcha who's going to generate a pass, rush from other avenues, such as you know, maybe the defensive secondary. Maybe he sends some of the off ball linebackers in on blitzes. You know, the pushing of the pocket up the middle with Dexter warrants. So I just think that, you know, the past Russia's gonna probably come from other areas, and I wouldn't be surprised if the leading, I get asked this a lot on Twitter, I wouldn't be surprised at the sack leader on the giants isn't an edge rusher this year. I would agree with that Patty, you know there are some things that the giants did on defense. And you know, there's more than one way to do things, you know, on when it when it comes to anything, and I think that what the giants did here was they didn't directly draft a big time pass rusher. You know, when they were sitting there at seventeen in the draft, I think they could have sort of quieted, this particular narrative, had, they drafted Montas sweat to pass rusher from Mississippi State instead of drafting Dexter Lawrence. Now I'm not sitting here saying that would have been the right thing to do or drafting Morris was the wrong thing to do, but in terms of this narrative, it would have pretty much taken it off the table, because then they could have said, we drafted a first round appear first round pass rusher. But I think what they've done. Here is. Done some things that will help the pass rushing other ways bulking up in the secondary. Adding de'andre Baker Julian love adding Antoine buffet in the back end of the defense. They've done some things that will help the pass rush. But they did not add that one pure pass, rush guy at least a proven one James Becher said the other day that these guys have to build their resume. But I will say this. I agree with that, in terms of Zimmerman s I agree with that in terms of Lawrence, and, and, you know, BJ hill and Lorenzo Carter, and those guys the one thing that does bother me is if the giants are really and truly looking at Marcus, golden and counting on him to be their premier pass. Rush guy he hasn't been that since he heard his NIA couple of years ago. And even when he was a. Twelve twelve and a half sack guy in Arizona. He wasn't the number one guy there. He was playing cross from Chandler Jones. And I think it's a really big ask you, if you're looking at Marcus golden in and saying, you know, he is our primary number one pass rusher. Yeah. I think it's a gamble. I mean, you know, with all due respect to golden, I like the attitude that he brings. I liked it the one to that he brings, but the question is will his body allow him to fulfil all that? And I think it's a big gamble. I you know the way I see it. They have a lot of question marks on the edge. Not that they don't have talent. I think Lorenzo Carter if he if he takes that leap forward. I think he could be a good addition. You know, I'm curious to see how quickly minez can make the leap from Old Dominion to the NFL. But I just would would have felt better if they had gotten a pure. Pass rusher a healthy pure pass rusher somewhere along the lines and I wouldn't be surprised actually at it. They added, you know, a pass rusher. You know, I think the Shane Ray the one side of not mistaken on. There might be a couple of other guys that are still unsigned. Maybe they looked do that. Instead, you never know how things work out, you know, heading into into training camp into the preseason. I think it was really, really late last year. When the giants signed Connor bar win. That was a move that, that didn't really work out for the giants. You know, Patty, I keep thinking here. I keep coming back. I mentioned Montas sweat earlier. And there was a point in time, when I think people thought that the giants would draft montes's sweat six, and perhaps a quarterback, you know, maybe Daniel Jones at seventeen and I, I just wonder what the reaction would would be. Or would have been had. The giants actually done that in re. Verse who knows? I mean probably not as outraged as it was given the way they took the draft. Right. Oh, sure. But I think it comes down to it all comes down to in the end, do the guys that the giants drafted. Do they perform? And if they perform then all of the emotion all of the firestorm all of that goes away. Exactly. That's what it all boils down to win and perform in all all this, you know, all they should have done this, or they should have done that, that all disappears Patty, let's take a quick break for a word from our sponsors here. And then we'll come back and we'll talk about a couple more of these narratives. Beyond saying, Arianna Guerande and Drake are talked about ad nauseam as celebrities, but there's one thing that's rarely discussed their music on switched on pop. We go deep into the sounds of pop music to explain what it means. How it's made and why it's so effective. We talked with some of today's greatest artists producers journalists to decode the musical logic behind our modern soundtrack and understand its role in our culture switched on pop. Won't reveal for you. 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All I know is, you know, I think practice on Monday morning is at is at nine forty five and that means I'll be in my car on the road. Heading up the New York state throughway by six thirty in the morning and I'm going to be really grouchy when I get there. Well, then make sure you sit on the opposite end of the room me. I'm gonna I'm gonna put an official request with Pat Shurmur that he that he make practices during OT as a little bit later. Hey, I have to go north on the turnpike to get to practice Saul. You know, at least you're coming south. Well, there is that so I don't I don't hit anything, really, really bad traffic wise until I get about ten minutes about ten minutes from the facility when everything just sorta grinds to a halt. That's the price you gotta pay. You wanna play with the big boys, you got to put up with the schedule vary you go. All right. Patty, let's, let's get back to a couple of these narratives here in the next one that I have on my on my list of things that I jotted down here was something about the about the wide receivers and what we keep hearing with Odell Beckham. Now in Cleveland, the giants signed golden Tate, they drafted derrius Slayton in the sixth round and he's another guy. That's six one one ninety has that same body type the narrative that we hear is that the giants just don't have either enough talent or enough. Diversity of skill set in their wide receiving corps to really be successful in the passing attack. What's your take on that Patty, I think it's too Cinta really say I mean, if we're. Going off with these guys did in the past I can see why people would say that. But let's see how the coaching staff here is going to use these guys. You know, maybe they get to a point where they say, okay. You know what we're going to use. Sterling shepherd, for example, in the slot on these particular situations. Or golden Tate will be, you know, the flanker on these particular situations. I think it's kind of premature to say that, and here's the other thing, I don't think he wanted necessarily paint these guys into a corner, because when you start doing that, then it becomes very predictable to figure out what the giants might do. So you want some overlap, I think amongst the receiver so that. You know, it's not as predictable. It's not like you know you see sterling Shepard in the slot. You say to yourself. Oh, he's going to he's going to run this route or he's going to be the target because, you know, analytic say that, that's what they do want down. You know, maybe now they, they moved golden Tate into the slot and sterling Shepard's outside, and they say, okay now they've, they've got something else to think about. So I'm not so sure it's a bad thing you know what the giants have right now and they're going to spread that, you know, the ball around, they're going to share the wealth. And I think that's going to be a good thing because look when Odell was here. No question about it. Odell was tremendous talent. He will be missed. But everybody kind of knew that he was the go-to guy. Now can anybody sit there and say, oh, the giants are going to go to sterling Shepard on every, you know, first down throw, they're going to go to Evan Ingram on every third down throat. I don't think we can say that anymore. And I think that's a good thing. You know, Patty, I think that one of the things that I was looking for. To win. Pat Shurmur became the head coach with Eli manning at quarterback. And with the weapons that the giants had in with suk-won Barkley in Evanston, groom and, and Odell at the time and even now with golden Tate, you know, it's different. But what I was looking forward to was watching he li- be able to walk up to the line of scrimmage and simply identify mismatch. Get the ball out quickly in allow whoever had that mismatch, you to create yards after catch, and I think the giants still have that circumstance in now. Perhaps they have an improved offensive line. We hope that will allow ally to, to get the ball out to guys. I think that Matt Williamson wrote at big blue view the other day, he wrote a piece about the wide receivers. And he said, look, he said this is actually the way that the league is trending more toward. Some of these smaller route runners guys that you get the ball out too quickly guys who create some space quickly off the line of scrimmage in guys who do things with the ball in terms of yards after catch, you know once they receive the ball. So perhaps, and he also his point also was that at this point in his career that perhaps fits the skill set of Eli manning better. And we know from what he did it do that. What they call the quick game is really weird. Daniel Jones, excelled at the college level. So perhaps, as it unfolds, and, and we don't know, we don't know exactly how sterling Shepard. We'll be used or golden Tate, or how often the giants will split Evan Ingram away from the line of scrimmage, and those kinds of things. But perhaps the receiving core that they've begun to develop is one that fits the skill sets of their quarterbacks. We'll just have to see how that plays out. Yeah. That's something we're going to start to actually see in the spring practices. You know, it's a non contact practice, but you're going to start to see and get an idea on how these these receivers are going to be used. And you know, in what concepts and whether it quarterback is going to take it, three step drop, or five-step drop when throwing to the sky, so you will get an idea, you know, the whole point of the spring is to experiment and see what works and what works is what you take into the summer. What doesn't work is what you put on the shelf and table for the time being. So that's certainly going to be an interesting thing to keep an eye on in the practices this spring. Sure, Patty, the final narrative is one that we've heard since Daniel Jones was drafted sixth. Overall, and it revolves around ally manning in the idea that ally has to be a mentor for Daniel Jones, that he needs to make that part of his quote unquote mission or part of his job. It's an idea that Pat Shurmur and Dave Gettleman have have downplayed and have disagreed with. But that narrative is out there that it is allies job to teach Daniel Jones. So just just your thoughts on, on what he lies responsibility actually is here. Ally's job is to get himself ready and win games for this team. That is what he is here for now, as far as Daniel Jones ally, has, you know, he's never been, you know, a jerk about helping out a teammate because I understand that they're all on the same team. You know, even these guys who might eventually. Take his job. I think Eli understands that he's not gonna play forever and that, you know, he's whatever he can do to help the organization he can. But if you're Daniel Jones, what you wanna do is you want to be around, Eli, you want to observe you wanna ask questions. You know, I think back to an I know this is not an apples to apples comparison. But when I first started out on the beat I had no idea what I was doing. And I know some people will probably say, well, you still don't, but that's neither here nor there. But the point is I watched some of the veteran reporters, I ask questions when the opportunity presented themselves. Those guys weren't there to, to hold my hand and bring the along, I had to learn for myself, I had to take little pieces of what, you know what they did and adapt them to what I felt comfortable doing in doing the job. And I think the same holds true for Daniel Jones, Eski lie. You know. Hey. How do you recover after throwing you know fifty practice fifty s passes in practice? You know, hey, I'm watching the Spillman I think I see this route developing this way. What's your take on that? Those are the little things that, that Daniel Jones can do. And that's how E Y can can mentor him. You know, it shouldn't be a case of where ally has to, you know, proactively go after Daniel, Jones, and make sure that he's lifting weights that he's studying the playbook that he's dissecting film, and all that stuff allies, not there to be the babysitter. And I think that's where this narrative gets a little confused. I would agree with that Patty, I think that I sort of agree with, with what Pat Shurmur has said is that he li- just needs to be ally? He needs to prepare the way that Eli has always prepared. He needs to be the professional that he's always been. He needs to go about his business the way he's always done that. He's always prided himself on being a good teammate. Now, I grant you that there has never really been a first round draft pick in the room with him. You know that that will eventually threaten his job. But. This'll be Eli sixteenth year in the league he knows it's not going to last forever. I don't see any reason why he li- has to be anything other than what he's always been, which is a guy who prepares incredibly, well, a guy who does everything in terms of representing the franchise, the right way, a guy who handles the press, and the criticism in all of that the right way he's a guy who doesn't throw his teammates under the bus when things go wrong, which over the years to be honest with you. He's had many many many opportunities to throw teammates under the bus, and he doesn't do that. And I think that, that you're absolutely right. If you're Daniel Jones, you learn by watching you learn by asking questions you learn by seeing how someone who has succeeded in the. New York market. And who's, you know, whatever talent level, you think Eli manning has there is something special about lasting sixteen years in the NFL as a starting quarterback, and just to watch how a guy goes about preparing to do that should help a guy like Daniel Jones immensely. Absolutely. You know, again, there's an old saying that the good board helps those that help themselves. And look you know it's a it goes the same for all of us. If you come to an I'll use our relationship as an example, ad when you first started off on the be, you know, I could have easily said, you know what I want nothing to do with you, because I want the market share of, of the weeds and the clicks, but it's all about, you know, it's all about feeling comfortable and secure in yourself. And, you know, just I guess, you know finding that balance. So I think that's what has. To happen here with with the ally. Daniel Jones, I don't expect you I to go after Daniel, all the time and say okay, hey, you gotta do this. He's not going to be his keeper. But what he is going to be. He's going to be a support system there, just as anybody else, any other colleague would be for newcomer that's coming on board because, you know, even though, yes, Daniel Jones one day will presumably take alleged job. I have to believe that ally is smart enough to understand that he's at the end of the line approaching the end of the line. And, and you know, more, he can do to help this kid, you know, within reason the better off everybody is going to be exactly Patty. So let's, let's do this one more thing before we call it a show here for today. I had mentioned earlier OTA's do begin Monday morning as we as we get a chance to, to watch those in. You know, we'll, we'll only be seeing three of those. Their practices in shorts and t shirts. They're non contact practices. There's a lot of things that can't be done by NFL teams you know, in these settings. So we're not going to be able to judge exactly, you know, what we're going to see and as you hit indicated earlier, you know, you, you try a lot of things at this time of the year, and some of them you throw out. But if there are a couple of things during the OTA's as that you're really looking forward to, to seeing Patty, what might those be? Well, I think first off, I want to see how the defense align personnel is deployed. I wanna see who's lining up where in what situations and you know, because right now supposedly, these kids are, are versatile enough to line up anywhere, and I just want to see if there's a rhyme or reason behind where they line up and you know what plays? So that's number one. The second thing I think I'm interested in seeing is the, you know, we discussed it before how Daniel Jones interacts with e y you know, is he like a little puppy dog follows him along, you know, all over the place or is he standoffish as we've seen some quarterback speed you know in the past. So that's another thing I think I've one is see, let's see, I want to see where the guys are, you know, that's that's always going to be important, and I want to see how the Cornerbacks play out, too, because, you know, there's so many Cornerbacks. There. I wanna see, you know how are they going to mix him with the safeties? Are we gonna have for example, if Corey Ballantine's able to play is he going to be able to to, you know, to play free safety or how they gonna approach that? So there's going to be a lot to see. Nothing is going to be set in stone. So as part of my annual PSA to those listening, you know, take the reports with a grain of salt. But, you know, we should start to get some clues moving forward as to what the coaches are thinking in terms of taking the team to the next level, and that, of course being summer training camp. It's funny Patty, you mentioned the word clues. And I think when I think back to last year. I think back to going OTA's in going to many camp. And watching John jalapeno take all of the first team reps at center and not believing that the giants were actually going to go into the season with John jalapeno as the starting center. So I think that you can't take some things just from the alignment and from who's used with first team second team, you know, things of that nature. I mean as you said, those things aren't written in stone. But when you consistently see the same setting the same alignment over and over, I think one of the things I learned last year is believe your eyes. Absolutely. That's all he can do. And, and you, you bring up an excellent example. You know, everybody saw that. And people are like what's going on here? And you even then people were still thinking, oh, there's no way John jalapenos going to beat out bread Jones. And what happened? He ended up eating him out. And, you know, Jones ended up getting trait traded. So that's a battle to keep an eye on to, you know, is it going to be Hal appeal? Is he going to be clear to, you know, to practice, or is it going to be pulling, and where's Evan proud gonna fit in, in some of these other kids were, they gonna fit in, so that's an excellent point? Ed, I think that for me it's two things. Patty one that you mentioned a want in that being the Cornerbacks. I want to see this is one of the areas that we can actually get a little bit of a handle on, you know, in these types of practices, because they're non contact because mostly what we get to judge is the passing game. Although. Guys can't. No, they can't put their hands on guys. They can't press guys at the line of scrimmage, but we do get to see these guys work down the field against wide receivers. It'll be really interesting to see the Andrey Baker work against sterling shepherd or golden Tate to see Julian love work against these guys when he gets on the field to see how Corey Ballantyne works against these guys will get our first glimpse of, of Djibril peppers as a giant. So that'll be interesting. And the other thing that we always get to see and you start to get a little glimpse of, through these workouts, is we see all of these undrafted guys and, you know, which ones are going to catch your eye. Because you know that a couple of them are going to wind up making the roster. And eventually, you know, two or three of these guys will be key players in so for me. You come out of these two or three T as and then the voluntary or the mandatory mini camp. And. Maybe by then you have an idea you know which of those guys you should really be paying attention to. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, I mean we started to, to do in the rookie minicamp where you guys were jumping out at us. And, but you have to temper your, your expectations at that point because you've got to remember, it's rookies going against rookies. And now you're going to have rookies and veterans, you know mixing together, so certainly that's something to keep an eye on. And that's, that's an exciting thing to watch actually as these last few spring practices play out. Yes, it is. Patty in giants fans with that said, I think we will call that a show for today. Patty, thank you very, very much for, for spending some time with me today, and I look forward to seeing you Monday morning. Bright and early, make sure you're on time and bring the donuts and the coffee all no, no, no, no, no, no. Patty, the donuts are on you down that no, no, no, no. I have. But I, but, but, but I have to drive so far Patty, they won't be fresh by the time I get there you pass plenty of Dunkin donuts. That you're right. It. All right. Patty, thanks again. And giants fans, please remember to subscribe to big blue view radio on all of your favorite podcast applications, and we'll talk to you again soon. Bye bye.

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Wide Receivers and Goodbyes

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Wide Receivers and Goodbyes

"Are you troubled by strange hockey trades in the middle of the night. Do you experience feelings of dread about N._H._l.. Free Agency have you or your family ever seen in New York guyland scheme. If the answer's yes don't wait another minute pick up your mobile device and subscribe to Lighthouse Hockey podcasts from espy nation today are courteous and efficient hosts <music> are ready to serve all of your islander needs and worries lighthouse hockey podcasts for New York islanders fans. Hello Welcome to the big review podcast I I am. Dan Pursued a joint here by Chris Flood Chris. How're you doing today? Honestly I'm a little bit sad. I'm a little bit sad and I'll tell everybody why this is Dan's. Last show is leaving us. This is his Swansong Swansong might be able to strong but yes. This is going to be my last official recording of the big blue view podcasts. If some of you might have seen on twitter I have started to write for warning sharps sharp football analysis. That's where I am going to be the season of going to be editing there. I'm going to be writing there. So that is something that is going coming to you. Take a pretty much all of my time so I will be shifting over to that officially. I've been writing there. You might have seen me tweet a couple stories that we've done there. We're so far but starting August first that's that's what I'm going to be doing so I will be ending my tenure at big review both writing on the site and doing this podcast so it just wants you quickly say thank you to everyone. Listening who has been listening since the beginning the first show was me and of Rivers McCowan talking about the Houston Texans game in week three because that was just kind of wear. The podcast was when we could get started. I think Chris wasn't available that week so we didn't officially start this podcast until the second week we were doing it so thank you for everyone who has been listening and has continued can you to listen as we grew from that point and doing all our draft shows and talking draft nonstop and going with us through not an easy season talk about West Year so thank you for everyone who has continued to listen the podcast is going to continue Chris or probably have more information formation on that at a later date. I know that's being worked on so there's going to be a Chris show. Ed is still going to be doing his show so this will still continue in some form. Just yes not with me so it's usually thank you everyone for listening. I would also like to thank Chris for doing this with me twice a week every week for the past what like like almost a year yeah actually yeah close yeah longer than six months probably would have shorter than a year but yeah so that is a news we are going to start at the top with and we are now going to continue with a regularly scheduled show where I think the only thing we can really talk about at this moment when it comes to the giants giants is what is going on at wide receiver you training camp has only been going on for a week and has the giants situation. Ah Wide Receiver changed drastically the first day of Training Camp Sterling Shepherd broke his thumb. He has been out at practice running routes. The one handed catches. He is expected to be back by week one but of course he won't be at full strength until at least week while we don't really know if that's going to it happened and then also later that day Corey Coleman Tours A._C._l.. is going to be out for the entire season and then we've found out over the weekend. Golden Golden Tate is going to be suspended or is facing a suspension for the first four games of the season for violating the N._F._L.'s P._d.. Policy that that was from what Tate said just a fertility drug that you know is an unfortunate thing but I think as we Chris. We talked about this over the weekend about just how rare it is for a case like this to be appealed and be successfully appealed and we were talking about that before we even knew what the situation was at you brought up to me that way free had something similar aware it was a fatuity drug and he appealed and the suspension was still upheld so even though tate was reportedly confident he had a good case a good reasoning. It doesn't seem like a per the N._F._L.'s precedent on subject matters like this that tastes suspension is going to be reversed so we are very likely to see him suspended for the first four dams yeah and the the N._F._l.'s stance on this is basically the players are responsible for what they put in their body and the N._F._l.. Really can't get into case by case judgment establishing any kind of precedent because was even if we do believe Golden Tate which we don't really have any reason not to believe him a lot of the compounds that are in the fertility drugs that trip the P._d.. Tests are also used as either masking agents or in post cycle <unk> therapy for actual eighties or steroids basically to help people who use them get their hormones is back in balance after being thrown way out of whack to supercharge their performance muscle growth or recovery and there are are unfortunately some unscrupulous doctors out there who will just take a check to write a prescription wish. That weren't the case but the N._F._l.. Can't really take a chance on somebody cheating like that getting a fraudulent prescription in saying well yet it it is for fertility and then them saying well okay yeah. That's what the prescription says so hopefully table either have his suspension reduced based or his appeal go his way but I don't think the giants can really plan on that happening and then just with the injury situation losing korey Coleman for the year the giants were hoping he would kind of break out having a full full offseason in their program really actually be able to play up to that first round pedigree sterling shepard breaking his thumb trying to haul in a low pass cost. That's just that's just kind of the giants right there and then Daria Slayton dealing with a hamstring and just all the other things that have happened. It's it's been a long or as a practice yet. The giants have gotten like a season's worth of news in the span of the first week and that's I think significantly going to shape what this offense starts to look like as we head into the rest of training camp and the preseason into the regular season Waikele said shepherd is expected to be healthy and he's targeting week one and the beginning of the regular season to be healthy and be able to be on the field and imitates tate's probably going to miss the first four games so the giants are going to have to figure out how to reassemble what they have at wide receiver when you look down what what is left at the depth chart can't be overly confident with what is there so before I think we get into the wide receivers and who who is left who they could Suspensions in everything happened basically a week ago Ingram and Barclay. were going to be the giants to most explosive players. I don't think there was really going to be anyone who could compete without in terms of just being able to make defenders miss take a pass and if they get a little bit of space turn a short pass into a long gain. Sterling Shepherd is a good reliable receiver. He can pick up yards when he has the chance but he doesn't have that just explosive athleticism to make a move and leave a defender in the dust like those two guys can golden tate is good in screen games. He's good after the catch but again he just doesn't have that same explosiveness that Angelman Barclay do so they might have been able to get a guy with that kind of potential adversaries slayton but again. He's he's a rookie and he's a late round rookie. You don't WanNa put that kind kind of you know. If our offense is going to be explosive you have to do it kid you don't want to put that on a rookie right and the importance of Barclay and Ingram it's going to be evident and I think that is what to watch for now going forward through the remainder of training camp. It's not going to be who stands out of this group at wide receiver. It's are they starting to move Barclay around more which like we said they did lash training camp and then once it got to the regular season that all went away so is Barkley going to be moved around a little more in the next few training camp practices. Are we going to see him lined up in the slot or be going to see him motion out to the outside or we're going to see Evan Ingram in different alignments it could he potentially wind up in the backfield is going to be in the slot more. Is he going to be on the outside more so this past week I was writing this before the injuries and the tate suspension happened. I wrote a post about Evan Ingram about how the giants should kind of go back to school on Evan Ingram and really look at what he did in college and what made him successful in college what made him a first round pick and one of that was using his athletic ability to use them as a mismatch in the passing game. I had two plays that highlighted one was just U._S.. Aid They seem pass right from the slot and he just dominated a smaller defensive back and that's exactly what you want to do and then I have a wheel route he had a wind up as a fullback h back kind but just slightly behind the offensive line and he ran a wheel route from the backfield and it it was just wide open down the sideline and it was there was a bad throw on the plate but it would have been a huge gain. It was still a pretty decent gain on the play so these are just things you could see Ingraham debord and it's something I think now a we would have liked to see him us more. I think now that's something he has to be used more in that way going forward and then went back and looked at the twenty eighteen season Ingram was targeted on only two seem routes to last year and both of the were big successful plays one came earlier in the season against Tampa Bay. We just got an opening against David David and had a huge run after the catch and then one was later in this season against Indianapolis all where he was able to beat Darius Leonard Down the field and and had to adjust a little bit for underthrown ball. If it was thrown a little better it's probably a touchdown but still a big that set the giants up at the goal line but those were the only two zebra out he was targeted on last year and I know some people were going to say oh well the offensive line there was not enough time to I think you're seriously the overestimating how much time it it takes up to set up a system that can just go ten yards down the field. That's all yes it'd be thrown and then when I went and looked at Ingram's usage and how often he was targeted really ten or more yards down the field we fourteen percent of his targets came ten or more yards down the field when you look at guys like you know the Travis Chelsea's Zach Ertz George Kills Kittles. Those guys are all around like thirty percent of their targets happened ten or more yards down the field so if you are going to use Evan Ingram correctly and I think now you have to you need to start using him more creatively in that way yeah absolutely that's like you said that's something we have been harping on for months now and really the giants need to change their tendencies a with both Barclay and Ingram because right right now. They're the guys for this offense and that could be a tremendous advantage for the giants if they allow it to be because was N._F._l.. Defense just are not set up to deal with players like Barkley and Ingram especially those positions the reason the tight end has become a nightmare mismatch of position is because defenses in the middle are either set up to deal with the the run and put seven guys in the box lay downfield play their run fix and deal with blockers which basically means big base packages big linebackers strong strong guys or they play a light package to deal with wide receivers which again there's the whole other side of that conversation with the run game that we have talked about plenty but with tight ends like Erz and Kelsey and especially guys like kindle and Ingram they are way too fast for linebackers is to really cover. I mean you just said he ran right past theories Leonard and he is basically one of the best off ball space linebackers backers in the N._F._l.. And that was as rookie and then when you get defensive backs like he did in college guys like Ingram and cattle are also too big for defensive backs to really effectively cover so you that is just I don't WanNa say it's free yardage but it is a built in mismatch that defense is don't really have a way to deal with and then again with Barclay. He is kind of the same kind of mismatch he is too fast for linebackers he he's too big for defensive backs and playing running back and if the giants would actually throw to him out of the slot defenders these are really going to be able to get their hands on him to disrupt the route and the timing so he's pretty much always going to be getting a free release and if the giants would throw to him down field field in stride he's going to have that many fewer defenders he have to make miss he will already be up to speed which as we have seen is damned damn fast that right now is the way forward for the giants and they could be surprisingly successful running an offense through those two guys problem is they at least tendencies from last year they had absolutely no desire to do so Evan Ingram had the second lowest average depths of target Barkley was targeted behind the line of scrimmage basically all the time the giants have to rethink how they use those two players players just completely from the ground up yeah that's exactly what to watch going forward and if the giants are not starting to figure out how to use Barclay and Ingram better that you have to really wonder what they're thinking offensively and whether this offense is going to progress throughout the season because those those of your two key guys now regardless of how healthy Sterling Shepherd is going to be or what might happen with Golden Gate suspension and even if anyone else in this wide receiver group steps up these are going to be your two guys and if they're not used more creatively or more effectively then you really have to start In Tuesday's I talked to influential people around the world attack like Microsoft founder Bill Gates and other tech execs like founder of lime scooters the C._E._o.. 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That was not a very it deep group to begin with so let's just run down quickly who is on the giants roster so outside of Golden Tate and sterling shepherd the giants now have Ovando Russell Russell Shepard Bennie Fowler Britain Golden Cody Latimer put them all in a group together those are basically the the veteran options who also are going to contribute on special teams and they are all kind of like the same player they all play the same role. There's nothing outstanding about. They're receiving ability their biggest contributions before this were to have come on special teams and then you have the group of really the three rookies than in Daria slate and who wasn't a fifth round pick and then Reggie white junior undrafted free agent you also Alex Wesley who is currently on the published you start start training camp with an injury us. He has not been on the field yet but you have those three young players and then right now you have Ombu editorial and T._J.. Jones who they mentioned they he just signed in their workout after all the news broke of what was going to be happening with the giants wide receiver group so of those guys Chris. Does anyone really really stand out to you dot particularly now. I'll say we both really liked Ombu at a table last year so it's good to see him back T._J.. Jones is intriguing because he does he does bring some special teams upside which catch you know again. That's not super exciting but they did lose Corey Coleman who was a good kickoff returner and it would it would help the offense out a lot if they can get those hidden yards back Ritchie. Y junior does have intriguing upside athletically but undrafted free agent at monmouth dairy Slayton easy dealing with an injury and really even before all the the injuries are tight suspension. I don't think the giants receiving core was really going to be scaring too. Many secondary's my feeling was they. They might sneak up on a defense that just didn't respect them at all and said you know you know what we will give you the pass we are not going to let saquon Berkeley beat us. They might have some good games if the defense does that but they're not gonNA keep any defensive coordinator up at night so that's kind of where the giants are also you forgot Demari Scott who the giants claimed off of waivers just before camp started yeah you're right okay so add him to the group of young players <hes> in that in that Slayton White Wesley role where maybe maybe one or two or going to come out. I think we'll see I don't think we're GONNA make Rosser projection right now but Daria Slayton likely to make the roster as a fifth round pick and then possibly either white or sky. I I would say probably would be the most likely to like like you said he's he's someone I do like the traitor there even at this point in the off season and and you kind of look at what the giants Rosser has like why not why not let Reggie White get some more reps and see what he can do. I don't see the downside in keeping him over over someone like Ovando Russell Alonzo Russell Russell Shepherd you know what those guys are so so why not allow Reggie white to have some more run with with the offense in training camp and see if he can produce because really you you have nothing to lose at this point but I'll go back to the two guys they he did sign because I think right now they might be there to best receivers outside of Tate and shepherd so I have been very vocally the fan of Ombu editor since before he came out in the drought when I was first doing dress up for bid we've you I was doing some draft. Videos on editor was someone when I highlighted as a late round guy. I liked a lot. He someone target yards added like a lot. which if you've been listening to these podcasts in our draft podcasts especially metric had that separates college wide receiver from their offense and editor came out very well in that nice with the giants he's been on the practice squad? He's bounce around a little bit played in the AF last year but I think he's someone who has has good deep spe- I think he can get open an down the field I think he's a much better route runner than a deep threat label would give him credit for and to go back to last year and we were going in training camp. He had a real good training camp last year for the most part and we were all asked to as a big review staff to make a bold prediction for the twenty eight season have my prediction was that on the editorial finish the season as the giants number three wide receiver so that was a complete swinging Amiss yes. He didn't even make the fifty three coming out of training camp because so that was a huge swing and miss as it bold prediction but you can see 'em high on the editor so I think if he is able to stay healthy which has also been a problem in his career so far if he's able to stay healthy and you can get on the field I think he can he can eat. I mean he's not going to step in and be like a number one and number two but as that guy you could rotate third wide receiver. I think he can be there and then as we move to T._J.. Jones that's kind of been his role also far throughout his career with the lions. He is only twenty seven years old. He's been a productive wide receiver and we got twenty. Six targets last year. Fifteen Games started three but he's a d._v._d.. Way Per football outsiders was didn't qualify for the full list of qualified receivers but of what he had was is going to be around like the thirty third wide receiver by Devi away which is per play efficiency so that's not terrible in twenty seventeen when he had had forty nine targets he was thirty first in Devi away so he does have that ability. He is someone who can also get downfield and the problem is it's. It's another another slot receiver. Another guy who works his best out of the slot in twenty seventeen twenty two of his forty nine targets came from the slot per sports info solutions and fourteen of his twenty six targets last year a came from the slot so he's someone who has done his best work there if he's going to be playing without tate and shepherd than that works you can put someone in there but then if he's your number three once tate and shepherd come back now you do rotating three is is who do their best work from the slot. So that's another potential problem. You can have a come maybe five of but that's getting a little ahead of ourselves but that's just kind of projecting the type hypoc player T._J.. Jones is I think he has some ability. He has shown that he's been a productive receiver so far. He's been more of that number three option but I think those are those are two decent editions. I think especially when you look at the rest of the giants receiving core and when nothing else really pops off off the page so why not give those shot yeah absolutely we pretty much seen what the rest of they're veterans looked like and it was not really exciting. Cody Latimer can win fifty fifty balls down field but the idea it should be that your receivers creating a separation that they don't have to be winning fifty fifty balls then Fowler's kind of the same die Russell Shepard in Lonzo Russell. We'd we've seen them. They've got some size and athletic ability but they're not really the guys so if you're in this position why not just take the chance see see what you have avenue the young players see what you've got in the guy who just brought on. Maybe you can fit the pieces That to us and B. The X. receiver that the giants just don't have on their roster right now or at least they don't have that we can readily see <unk> dairy Slayton can't put that downfield speed to use and forced defenses to take a take a defender out of the tackle box and maybe lighten the load on Saquon Barkley just a little bit because I think we know the giants are not going to stop running Barclay into heavy boxes. It's at the point where you just say Oh. Why not I say give give guys like like Reggie White? The shot not give Darius Slayton a little more. He's been dealing with bit of a hamstring injury so you don't want to push him now because you feel like you have to with the wide receiver situation so you I definitely want to keep him in a controlled environment. You don't WanNa push a hamstring too early in training camp because that's something that could easily winger into the season but <music>. I'm definitely a fan of giving those guys. The shock giving someone like Edita was shot because like we said you know what Russell Russell Shepard Bennie Fowler you. You know what those guys are. You can keep maybe one or two of them. At this point. Maybe one maybe two who knows they're still going to have their role role as a receiver in contribute on special teams but if you're looking for something I mean this offense is probably going to start slow so having all these different different combinations in training camp <hes> you you you should just see what works and maybe something does and maybe doesn't but it trying to figure out what works is not going to make your offense any worse than what it could potentially be right now so they were going to end with some potential of free agents and I know the they did have a bit of a workout and they did sign the two guys but they're still kind of a group of veteran free agents out there. I'm just going to run through the list and again. We're we'll just see if anyone stands out so right now we have a camera meredith who was just recently released by the saints a Chris You you just read an article wondering if the giant shooting look at him then it's names like peer Garson of Michael Crabtree Terrance Williams Mike Wallace streeter and then there's the Kelvin Benjamin question it was widely reported the giants were going to reach out to him and invite him into that wide receiver workout apparently that that did not happen he it was not one of the procedures who worked out obviously Benjamin is a former first round pick of Dave Gettleman Kelvin Benjamin also not a very good wide receiver. He's one one of the worst separators in the League when you look at next Gen stats and wide receivers who have qualified for their full season as stats over the past three years ears. I think Kelvin Benjamin has three of the I think six lowest average separation numbers of those three seasons so not not great not the kind of receiver you want to put on an offense that should be creating space especially in the short and intermediate regions of the Field Kelvin Benjamin. I mean just doesn't have that the separation ability so I really don't think he should be an option and then you have that other group of potential wide receivers probably come with some some character concerns. I think we could say that's a group of Dez Bryant Martavis Bryant if he gets reinstated and then we aren't Karoo who was released by Miami. He's this guy who'd never really caught on with the dolphins. He had some deep potential when he was drafted. Never really caught on. I think there was some work ethic issues. There were some injury issues so I think that's a group of like three guys. Giants probably going to stay away from if they believe culture is as important as they have said so of that group. Does anyone even standout to you there because I I don't think anyone does for me. Yeah no not really I might take a look at somebody by like the Anthony Thomas even though he's he kinda straddles the line between wide receiver and running back <hes>. Maybe feel Riddick 'cause he's out there as you know. Maybe this is a bit of a <hes> extinct designation but as a slot back even though yes the giants do have a ton of slot receivers at this point they kind of have to cast their net wide and take any advantage they can get because we're well into <hes> Mick Mick Jagger territory with you can't always get what you want but if you try you might get what you need so him maybe Carlos Henderson it kind of the ultimate one year wonder her back in two thousand seventeen at Louisiana tech but maybe he still has that ability sammie coates is out there justin hunter two guys with size and a ton of athleticism but have just never put it together at the N._F._l.. Level it's not ideal yeah. It's not great and I think probably the best path forward for the giants right. Now is to keep the group that they had they brought in the two. You guys and now wouldn't cuts start to happen in training camp and maybe you can pick someone up off a roster that isn't going to make a team that you could could find useful to add to this group there. There might be a couple and that's probably going to be a better option than a group of veteran receivers like like what is is Michael crabtree going to add to the giants and someone not only just coming off an Achilles but someone of veteran wide receiver. I like what I don't. I'm not sure sure I understand the point. I know kind of said earlier like you can just say you know what why not for some of these guys but if you're looking for some of the older things like Michael Capture after your especially a Kelvin Benjamin. It's like what what's the point. Are they really going to add so much that bringing in a veteran guy and blocking someone like a a Slayton or reggie white is going to is going to make that much of a difference. I'm not sure it is so I don't see them going into the free agent market again I see them probably sticking with what they have and as underwhelming as a group as we've said it is hopefully you can maybe see if if someone is able to step up and if if it's able to get going and you do that on top of potentially a better usage of saquon Barkley in the passing game better uses of Evan Ingram than I think you can still work around and have have a passable offense but it's just it's just accepting what you have what is going to work best for you and then figuring out how to make that happen happen and I think that is going to be what we should be looking for. As the next couple of practices have been for giants during Training Camp Yeah I would even I project that forward is that that's the main thing we should be watching through week three of the preseason you know when teams start to play their starters for most of the game they start to game plan as if it was an actual game that matters that's I think will be when we get our clearest idea of just what the giants might be thinking how they might be looking at fitting all of these pieces together and and you know really whether or not this will be an Evan Ingram and saquon Barkley offense with receiving core moving to a secondary are- position almost like receiving running backs and tight ends. Were honestly worth them last year yeah. I think that's probably going to be the how this offense stays somewhat success. What words it's at least it's best path toward success this season so we will see if if that is the path they choose to take while everything else plays out so we are going to end this episode here? Thank you guys I of four listening. You can get this podcast wherever you get your podcast Pres Rate Review if you have not that helps this podcast <unk> out greatly and it's going to continue to help as training camp is going in the regular season comes and more episodes are going to be coming out on this field and that we have ed onsite he you will be coming out with with a bunch of podcasts from there. You can find big view at big view dot com you can find a twitter at big review can find big review on instagram at big underscore BLU underscore view. You can follow me on twitter at damp due to you fall Chris on twitter at Raptor M. K.. I thank thank you guys for listening. 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Steelers Injury Report, Week 1 at NY Giants: Saturday's Report

Behind the Steel Curtain

11:03 min | 4 months ago

Steelers Injury Report, Week 1 at NY Giants: Saturday's Report

"Pittsburgh steeler fans what is going on this is Jeff Hartman Co editor of behind the steel curtain dot com with you for the last week one injury report as the steelers prepare to now travel to New Jersey actually play the New York giants on Monday night football on week one everything was delayed a week. That's why it's a little off if your maybe not really focused on what's been going on why? In the world of the steelers not released injure injury report it's because everything was a day back. So typically the first reported. Practices on Wednesday then Thursday in the final designations are released on Friday because everything's a Dave back, push back day because of Monday night football, it's Thursday Friday and Saturday. So here we are Saturday in the Pittsburgh steelers in New York giants have both released their final injury reports leading up to the game, and this is when players get a specific designation whether it is questionable or doubtful or officially ruled out whatever the case may be. Now, the Pittsburgh steelers had been dealing with two players on the injury report for the entire week. In those two players remain the only players on the injured or for the entire week, and this is really when you think about it the best case scenario for the Pittsburgh steelers. Led into the season, this is what most teams I feel. Really really hope for in regards to they hope that their team is as healthy as possible with the steelers liked to have Dave decastro. Absolutely. But if he's the only injury and it's not a long term injury. They've got to be happy with where they are. You're as healthy as possible heading into the regular season especially after a year with no preseason games. Having preseason Games, Candy viewed as a detriment. The team's not going to be as prepared things are going to take a little bit longer to kind of get into a rhythm but ultimately are also be say should be decreasing your risk of injury all throughout the process. into the steelers did that. So on Thursday, the very first reported practice yet, Deontay. Johnson missing with a foot injury Dave decastro with me at that time it had already been reported and we behind the steel curtain dot com had already written the article stating that it's unlikely Decastro even plays on Monday night football, but we still have to wait they're not gonNA rule him out on Thursday Friday comes around September Eleventh Dave decastro continues to sit out but you don't say Johnson returns as a full participant practice and all of a sudden fantasy football owners in Pittsburgh steeler fans kind of Thank. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. deontay Johnson's back. But they weren't out of the woods yet deontay Johnson he tested the foot. So anytime, you have a foot injury, a muscle injury, a joint injury there's a lot of times with the player will say I. Think feel good enough to practice, and so they'll put them in there. And let's see how it goes. Let's see how it goes. Well, the problem is sometimes last day they could have set back they could re-injure it. They could not feel good the next day and so that final day is important. Not only for the game status, but also for how healthy are they Well David Castro remains out he was ruled out of the game officially ruled out of the game on Monday night Bud Yanti Johnson was a full participant in practice again in even better yet does not have a game status. Does Not, have a game status. In other words he's not questionable. He's not doubtful. They got rid of probable. That's not even a status anymore he is good to go now Ben Rothlisberger did not practice on Saturday don't freak out fans don't Greg. Swerve. Your car. If you're driving listening to this, it was a coach's decision. They gave him a Veterans Day off he had practiced on Monday. They just WanNa make sure that he's good to go and he's ready he is ready he has no game status. He's good to go the steelers Deonte Johnson is good to go David Decastro out. That is the extent of their injury report heading into Monday night football that's good news. What about the other team? The New York giants as well had a bunch of players that were. In and out of the lineup with illnesses and hamstring injuries and the biggest name on this list was golden tate the wide receiver. Golden. Tate. Former Notre Dame player. He's played for a bunch of different teams mainly the Detroit lions I believe last year he was with the Philadelphia Eagles he's bounced around the League he's found a home again in New York the New York giants. He has had a hamstring injury all week on Friday. He was limited on Saturday. He was limited again, and now all of a sudden he's listed as questionable heading into Monday night football. He's joined by take crowder linebacker and tight end Levine Toilolo. Who is they're all hamstring injuries and they're all listed as questionable. They have ruled no one out. The players that were sick with an illness or back in their full go ready to go for the upcoming game. But Man Golden Tate is that player that steeler fans have to be sitting there thinking This is going to be important to watch when the steelers in giants an hour and a half before off half to release their inactive. If, his hamstring is not right. The giants are not GonNa WanNa push it because a hamstring injury as steeler fans know from a multitude of players can linger enact that can lead to not just missing one game missing two three maybe even four games until he gets at right. So Golden Tate is the player on the other side of the of the fence. So to speak that, you have to keep an eye on with that hamstring he again with crowder Antonio are all questionable with hamstring injuries. So good news for the Pittsburgh steelers at least on their injury front if you really care about the New York giants and you're talking about golden tape and how is this going to impact you from fantasy football standpoint. Now earlier in the week, we talked about how David Decastro being out could impact the running game is it going to impact the passing game will steffen was new ski be able to pass protect keep that pass rush off Ben Rothlisberger let me say That the Stephan was new skis strongpoint even at this stage of his career is in pass protection it just is. He's a really good pass protector. If you're concerned about Rothlisberger staying clean, you shouldn't have to worry about with New Jersey we have to worry about Zach banner I don't know that has yet to be seen those those players being on the right side both being new that may be a question mark. But Stephan was news he's going to be on the whole zone as a pass protector. So Rothlisberger statistics in his ability to be able to stand up and not get sacked. A bunch shouldn't fall on was new ski I. wouldn't thank if you look at the film from last two years that's been his strength his weakness if there is one is in run in the run game, he's not too much A. Road grader but Dads Zach banners forte. So they're gonNA run to the right side expect banner to come crashing down wouldn't be shocked if they throw a tight end out there overtop his act enter to help him out at least get him comfortable in at ease early in the game. But as for deontay Johnson, I don't think there's any hesitation. No one should have any hesitation to play him this week whether you're in a traditionally whether you're in daily fantasy leagues whether you are just doing the Monday night game for. Joel draftkings where you have the multiplier I would not Deonte John's Mesmeh multiplier. But I, don't think anyone should have any hesitation playing deontay Johnson I. Think he's GonNa get plenty of targets I think he's GonNa get plenty of receptions will get the yards after the catch will he produced touchdowns I can't say yes or no right now because I don't really know what to think. Of this dealers offense heading into twenty twenty you think about two, thousand, eighteen it's even different from that. You have more weapons you think about the red zone with Vance McDonald and Eric Ron and Juju. Smith. Schuster. And James Connor out of the backfield and deontay Johnson chase clay will being a monster of a man and even James. Washington they're all going to pull targets away. I don't think this offense is going to be A. Focal point player or have a focal point player like they had one Antonio Brown was here where Antonio Brown was going to get his you knew he was going to get his. You could start every week and you knew that no matter what he was going to get at least seventy five yards he was going to get eight to nine receptions and there's a really good chance. He's GonNa hit paydirt. I don't know if they have that player at least not at the beginning of the season right now. But. The Anti. Johnson, if you're sitting on the fence about should I start I'm sure not that decision is up to you. But. Ultimately, his health should not wait into the equation and I hope that makes sense. So deontay Johnson is good to go David Decastro his out keep an eye on golden tate for the New York giants other than that teams healthy. Let's set him up knock them down week. One New York giants will the Pittsburgh steelers start out one in L.. Or were they come out slow again and start out one woolsey and we will be with you the entire step of the way. Let me lay out what's going to be happening here from PODCAST, perspective. Later on this evening, and this is being recorded on Saturday. Tony's Brunch with Tony will be aired on our podcast platform tomorrow Sunday. We're going to have other podcast is well, you're gonNA have the pre-game show with Brian Anthony Davis and. Then obviously, on Monday morning you're GonNa have let's ride with me leading up to the game, and then we're going to have our post game show. It's GonNa be great Tuesday morning we'll be live Mike with Michael Back. It's GonNa be a crazy week because remember after that Monday night game Tuesday. Mike Tomlin has his press conference Alva- sudden they went from having an extra day to being on a short week. 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AP Headline News Oct 30 2018 17:00 (EDT)

AP Radio News

02:59 min | 2 years ago

AP Headline News Oct 30 2018 17:00 (EDT)

"The AP radio news. I'm Ed Donahue, President Trump and his wife Malania are in Pittsburgh three days after eleven people were shot and killed at the tree of life. Synagogue press secretary, Sarah Sanders, says the Trumpster lighting candles for each of the victims in the synagogue vestibule. Their visit comes on the day of funerals for four of the victims, Robin Faulkner was at the funeral for Dr Jerry Rabinowitz who she recently had an appointment with him. And he has come my mom. He sit in house your mom now exit. She passed and he held my hand. And just cried with me over my mom passing Rabinowitz. His funeral was held at the Jewish community center in Pittsburgh, the synagogue is roped off as a crime scene. House speaker Paul Ryan was asked about President Trump's talk about ending the constitutional right to citizenship for babies of non-citizens and unauthorized immigrants born in the United States, obviously cannot do that you cannot end birthright citizenship with an executive order. We didn't. Went Obama tried changing immigration laws V executive action. And obviously as conservatives, you know, we believe in in in the constitution a prison union official in West Virginia says the death of longtime Boston mob boss, white James Whitey Bulger will be investigated as a homicide. The eighty nine year old Bolger was found dead after being transferred to the to the prison in West Virginia. Bolger had alluded. Authorities for nearly two decades before being caught in twenty eleven a hospital director in Cameroon says an American missionary has been killed in crossfire refining. The man's brother says a husband and wife who fell to their deaths from popular overlook at Yosemite. National park in California were apparently taking a selfie visitors can walk to the edge of a vertigo inducing, granite ledge. That doesn't have a railing on Wall Street down yesterday up today. Strong earnings reports had stocks higher. The Dow gained four hundred thirty one points. This is AP radio news. There is a new feature for the new ipads. Apple's new line of ipads is following the lead of the iphone and ditching the home button vice-president, John Tournus told product introduction in Brooklyn users will be able to turn on the tablets just by looking at them a feature apple calls face ide- support for phase Eddie might have noticed. There's no longer a home button. We'll know home button means that all those gestures from the iphone ten now come to the ipad. No home button. Also means more room for display the new tablets are smaller than their predecessors. But with larger screams the company also introduced new max, including a high resolution screen for the macbook air. Warren Levinson, New York. The NFL trade deadline has passed some deals have been made the Philadelphia Eagles picked up wide receiver golden Tate from the Detroit Lions and the Denver Broncos traded nine year veteran Damari Thomas to the Houston. Texans the Seattle Seahawks. They released wide receiver. Brandon Marshall they could work out a deal for him. I'm Ed Donahue, AP radio news.

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