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Big Brother Canada 8 | March 22 | Sunday Episode Recap | Godfrey Mangwiza

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Big Brother Canada 8 | March 22 | Sunday Episode Recap | Godfrey Mangwiza

"Hello everyone and welcome to our big brother candidate. Eight recap podcast. It is Sunday night March. Twenty second than we are here to talk about what we just saw on the big brother. Canada eight eight zero wage and nomination episode. This podcast episode is reset because of some technical difficulties. Here we are. I'm your host Armstrong and with me tonight a very special guest who has graced us with his presence it is Godfrey mangone Godfrey up guys. Glad to be back in our cast. Yes very happy to have you. Also tonight is Brent Brent. I'm doing frigging excellent. Darren Nice to see right. Yes so I definitely was not saying the first time. This is the first time a big deal was made tonight about how we've got a reset. It's time to reset the game. It's a new fresh start here. We go and here. Here's the new. This is the official now official version of the season. We're starting now. It's Oh wait hold on hold on just when we can we do the reset again please. thing thank you okay. Godfrey is happening this season. Jeez I I have no idea man late. This is literally just unprecedented. What we're seeing right now. Malik you've got its week. Four and only one person is actually reading a victim from the game. Like you know you've got one person. Self inflicted two people were kicked out. And then you've got another person trying to sell big again like it's just it's just a season of. I is the first time in history that we've had anyone leave the game on voluntarily or get kicked out so it's just it's crazy man. I'm like I'm waiting for the game starts. I see big brother right. I but but but Godfrey. I think. We need to be clear about this as Carol told us. She's not self evicting. She's just as being for people to evict her. That is petty thing ever seen ever like live. Ju what purpose does that serve like? She's making it seem as though as she cannot tell production. I'm done on. What kind of game while you make a spectacle? Colin houseman telling people. Hey guys or spoil you tell him to nominate you. What ARE TARGETS? And this is somebody who is in alliance you screwing alliance over the best thing to do would be to just let him take out. Whoever you wants to take a menu I collect. She wants to save face and get to get into view and say all. It's just doesn't want an interview me. I mean I got free. I don't know why Sheldon hasn't and Pete's have been down for me and so there have been times been like screw it. I'm going to try but like I had not seen sheldon goes to her and say look I fought my ass offer that H H. You saw that with me and Chris okay. I got stiff to doing the game. I am not going to use my hoa to take you out to be directly absolutely direct and say Look Mama playing the game. I know you're done with the game but I'm still playing the game and I got business. I need to take care of. I'm sorry if I was sheltered till Sharia will vote you out and then just want somebody else out anyways to people for the price of one. I mean I honestly tarrant. I feel like it's more their faults as an sheldon and broke for letting the strain get so far down the tracks that they're okay with this now. If they go back they make themselves look like the bad guys they they WANNA put down from the beginning show and put his down from the beginning and instead you know what I don't feel comfortable with using my H. O. H. For you to get a get out of jail free card account if you WanNa go home like that's what it's that easy you don't have to. There's no rule that you have to be voted out like you can solve data mainly is saying that this is not Canon but I have heard this before in other reality shows that if she quits that they will not pay for her way home. Look right I'm like can't be that hard together home. You live like Iran or like Snyder. That's what I wanNA know with the whole flight thing going on in Corona virus. She's scared that all I might have to take the bus home. What Mrs Reduction is not GONNA BE THEY GONNA pay more if anything? Maybe trying to put the fees on her to stay in the game. It's not if you if you try to shit. We already had somebody leave it out. I think they probably just like they're playing with her like cheap. She will find a way home. Credentialing sheldon has to do the work that wants him to do though responsibility. Yeah Yeah what did she say on feeds that have businesses doing well? She's probably already doubled her followers and she has a successful business. And that's that's what she can't replace business to pay for your flight. He actually you know what she's talking about like my business. I can make one hundred thousand dollars playing this game. My business can make that much money in easier time than than being in this house so I don't need to be here but I also need to them to pay for my flight. Home wants to save face and she doesn't WanNa be seen as 'cause she did what she said that she represented like all the bigger plus size people everybody in the wake of unity and everybody would feel I feel like she just doesn't WanNa be seen as a quota who left the game and maybe this is sort of a way of leaving on a good note to say. The game was tough on me by my fellow. Houseguests it the honorable thing to let me go. But I'm like you campaign the narrative See you discussing back. You WanNA quit. Let's call it. What it is you know. Like a shame her for not being able to handle it but she if she wants to go she just has to go on there. Yeah like I I you know. It's the fact that's really the thing that I think is the most frustrating like Asia wants to quit in general and it's not like she's in a position like Niko where like chestnut prospects in the game a game. She's in Russia was in one of my drafts my lottery. I'm losing money. She quits describe but I would ask for somebody who either. They're being bullied or they feel that the whole house is coming against them. Like you know like Niko. You could Kinda Chips are now France. He was not like it wasn't looking good for Nick Ohio help. He didn't even campaign to save right. Carol she is so well liked in the house of people. Even consider this idiotic plan before. The allison fallen generally played out. They gave her a have not never have not passed so she doesn't have to eat slop for the whole season and I'm pretty sure they're given a snacks in everything to kind of bribe as production. You definitely doesn't want somebody quitting again. Maybe they do. I don't know well I talk to people out so over and done with I've what it sounds like to me. Godfrey is that like the big brother candidate three jury. Carol is unjustly losing you money here. This is a bad thing. You only mad thing Yeah you know what it is frustrating. It's frustrating that not only. Does she want to quit but that she is forcing houseguests to do it. And you know the talk about like should sheldon. Go along with this. I I think I think the problem here is what Carol says to Brook. Which is I'm not threatening. You guys. Don't send me home I'll just self evict and the week we'll get reset anyway and you'll have targeted somebody and have even more blood on your hands so either with sentiment home like if they don't nominate Hershey was selfish Before the eviction I I the thing. The thing that I think is Sheldon's. He just put three people on the block again and got nothing done right and I think the thing that's going on here is that I think if production doesn't want this to happen it wouldn't be happening right. I think that as you said Godfrey my guess. Is that very strong guests that they are heavily. Incentivizing CAROL TO STAY UNTIL THURSDAY. Because they don't want another quit and with that being the case. I'm willing to bet that that everyone involve involved understands that if you don't go along with this then it's a wasted week anyway and you'll have wasted your time going after somebody else and pissing them off and Carol will still quit and the week will still be Carol's week. Only you'll have wasted your time in blood going after somebody else. Which is a very frustrating. I'm sure for for for Sheldon which like Godfrey the only way that they can do. This is to do it in a blindside because to have her up on the block. Vote out mentally if she doesn't win a veto and then say girl by and then of course at that point. Carol Carol can still pay all right behind. Many like she'll she'll be late J. E. conviction I got I got I gotta you screwed me. I'm getting Outta here in to write ray job right but the problem is that Sheldon in brook are in so good with everybody in the House that they realized they can't do this in a blindside because by doing it that'd be like drawing a line in the sand and letting everybody know. Hey we did this behind your back so the only the only way they can do it is to have buy in from everybody in the in the rest of the house to vote nearly but if that happens carols. GonNa get wind of it and also they don't have Bienne from everybody in the House here is very against a jail and the Abbey against it. The preferred Carol to be the one who said yes they they were moved by her plea and feel like it's the right thing to do to make her to send her home and again. Another concern of Brooks is that like she's getting this end so that production will be very angry with them if they do something like this enforce carol to quit and she's like they're gonNA cancel our season if if she quits like we have to do this to keep us on the air cheese like what is Carols Magginis a disadvantage for her to his reign. On think about it. Nobody is really gonNA want to give a nominee errol like. She's going to quit anyways. Why waste our time putting on a blog so walkout like she could easily? Do this vilified all fight. We talked about that in the first week. But something's wrong. Yeah it's so it is. It is definitely a frustrating situation. I'm sure for Sheldon and certainly topic of this episode was his potential regret for winning this h h h h competition. They were hanging in In sleeping bags and on a slope and ultimately came down to Sheldon and Chris and Chris was dislike is just ten more minutes ten more minutes. I just WANNA keep paying. Whoa ow Godfrey. That was like for me. I feel like sheldon absolutely had no business winning that competition absolutely zero business especially knowing that he's now at the end he has era. Espn two people who are in his alliance to people who are likely GonNa put in whoever he wants them to put it at. Chris was literally going to be exact same Big Sheldon. Just so it's like. Why did you win that? Like it doesn't make sense last week. You just promised you just need to slow Wendy's. You promised those girls that in an alliance with the Oregon. Save so now where you have to nominate them again. Even as pawns is just not a good look for like why not let Chris get a little blood on his hands right now because he's been soon right now he hasn't had too much but I felt like Sheldon. He also probably realized that right after you wonder. Oh my God what did I just didn't make any sense at all. He's just looking like a huge threat. He was so introverted and reserved. Nobody people weren't really looking at them as big. A to h wages ages. I like I know. He wants to build his resume. But I feel like it's just too early show is showed his car's right now. Chris laughing everyone is laughing because once again he gets to do the house studio. Yeah and I think that what's happening in Sheldon's mind here is that When Kyle was ejected from the game it really shook him because that was his entire game plan had to completely shift and alter a different direction and no one none of the targets that he targeted last week when home and so that got him really nervous and he talked about how there was a night where he just sat up in the HR wage with broke just like our world has just come crumbling down like everything is going wrong. What has what has our games. What if our games come to and the more reasonable one in the alliance? He was the more calculated. Could kind of come up with plans and say don't do this so I just don't have. I feel like shines a smart layer in there but kyle was really kind of the more pragmatic and move. He was making. We're making sense and now group is a really good voice. The reason that she at least realized that immediately that Hey. Why did you win this? Your scorn us. You're making a source for us so yama eight. It's it's not looking good for is now looking good for Sheldon and I think that you know. He he recognizes. This recognized at Brook by the way was trying to get the message to Sheldon. Don't this during the competition But somehow takes all the blame. Because Vanessa's telling Chris. That Brooke encouraged him to win. And that's the only reason why Sheldon how Vanessa got that interpretation. Maybe it's just being Vanessa but like I wish had encouraged Sheldon. The only reason he won. Chris is Brooke was telling me had to. She doesn't just makes things constantly another really. I don't know what she sees. Just running around took from Asian out given the wrong people thing she didn't give that inflammation Brent. Where do you stand on this Sheldon move here? Obviously his position he was put into a precarious position. And so safety is always nice. Being the wage sort of reset your position and now the game is so different. Is it a good to be in that position of power or is it too much to have one to back to back here? I think he's going to do fine. And I don't begrudge him for winning this age because there was a massive reset in a game where Jomar and Kyle were booted in a forty eight hour period in cow if if not Jomar were main parts of his onions sort of alliance that he was developing with many different people. Asking the game has been entirely reshuffled. But we want you to go out here and we want you to throw in. We know you're totally capable of winning. I think that is entirely a bridge too far. He doesn't know exactly what Godfrey but he has. He has allies in the game right now. We're yes he has people who would not have would not on his radar with the exception off the victors. And what's her name manly yacht right exactly and I take your point on night however so there's never been totally comfortable with Chris. He's better with him. He's cool with them but sheldon was this nominated or him yet is true. Yeah he had. He had to kiss a lot of ask that first week. Which remember that first week is like you no longer than a first week in the Big Brother House get a kiss a lot of Asom. Christmas h h because Sheldon was almost nominated. And then yeah and yes. They've come a long way. But I still think that after such a massive like literally taking the game board and like just throwing it up in the air and letting the pieces come back down. I mean look at Vanessa. Talking again after they refining like what the hell is going on. I think it's just too much to expect him to throw the H. O. H. Obviously in hindsight it would have been a call. Chris has done exactly what he's doing here. Their relationship with his relationship with Chris definitely not a hundred percent solid. Yeah considering the guy was gonNA get rid of pile ahead and got into ear. Yeah I'm seeing Sheldon remembers that too because that's the only time his name is the only time. Yeah Yeah so yeah I do think there are two sides to this ultimately when Sheldon is looking at the results he did. He did regret it and he was like. Oh didn't really need to win this one and then especially once it comes up that carol is now wanting to self evict a which is what I'm going to call it. That is like well even seems even less needed one this because it seems that anybody would have done. What is being done here with with Carol for this through this time being so we see that Carol comes up to Sheldon and she says that hey I would like for you to put me on the block and to send me home and both Sheldon and Chris are rightly like well that kind of screwed us over no like we just fought for an hour and a half to win this H H and you're asking to just make it null and void. Could you have not asked for this? Prior to the wage competition. Feel like that would have helped. Can you not wait for next week? So that people know before they win the h what the what the plan is and so she says like. Oh okay okay wait a week put. Shelton says after this like that. She came back to him like a half hour later and she was like Sheldon. Though what I've been thinking do I have the votes to stay against men now? This is such a weird season where people actually worried asking. Why have the votes to stay? Because they want to go home nor do I have the are you. Are you with me on this? What I what I want is for Orissa to come on the screen and just literally tear them new asshole. I just want her to coming anywhere she can she can. She can chicken telephone in via skype but like she can just like light into them and say literally anybody who wants to quit. Get out get out right now and we're going to play the game with the people that want to play the fucking game. I was live. I would live terron. What really like from an incites source. Who told me that I feel like they kind of messed out when they let me go solve a bit because Niko is already on the block. He was gonna go home anyway because the votes were all in all against him. It would have been unanimous. Of course they do that. They know how every vote is going to go but they let Nico have that option of leaving literally two days before the invitation. That was one day anyway but if they had just kinda bribed him give him some food some snacks and say hey man state till the eviction voted out. You wouldn't have this attitude in the house where people feel like. They can just quit. If it's not going to wait because I feel like we with this might not be the first or second time. They would see it this season when somebody's on the block they might just say you know what I wanted out lane. What's to stop you from doing that? They should have put their foot down and saved. No OSCE four somebody the house but embrace you they can do some things to incentivize the person around a little bit anybody. You're seeing whose name. Yeah I I feel like I feel like they're doing the opposite of what they should be doing like with NICO. He was going to be leaving anyway so incentivize them to stay. Do whatever you need to do but I I can you know. Give us a little shocking. The shock and season eight. Oh my goddess self victory by now. That was part of it too like it was shocking. Beginning this season eight. That's what they WANNA turn anybody. Personally I should. I feel personally that with with the Carol situation. I think that if somebody wants to quit when they're not it's not because they've already lost because they feel like they don't want to be there anymore. I feel like just let them let them quit. I keep the people who are trying to quit because they've already lost and they just don't want the embarrassment of getting evicted but let the people who want to leave leave because if you don't then they're just going to stick around and keep wanting to quit and not doing anything and just eating up space and time and game and wasting everybody's time just let them go and especially in this situation. If Carol wants to leave let her go and let us have an actual week of game. Play this week especially especially in a situation where we don't know how much how many more weeks of game play. We're going to get in the season because we don't know how long this season is going to be able to last in the environment but it can only be the longest if you leaders in their people quitting and keep out or doing nothing. You know season so this idea that somehow by walking out with her head held high because she was voted out instead of self. Evicting is somehow more respectable to me. It's absolutely not. It is much less respectable. But when are we going to do this year? Living with did you hear that Carol would like for Big Brother candidates to fly her family in so that she can have a a made for. Tv family moment when she comes out of the House on Thursday. She doesn't know there's no audience. Girl inflates not allowing Canada people flying around. I know I know that too like with the nomination ceremony like you can see the look on her face. She's just like so smug that this whole week about her like everybody has to do what I want but at Moody nominate again many and Carol. Yeah you should not have given. I don't know if you had a choice here. Yeah I really don't know so. So that's that's where we're at with Carol situation. We see the. We got some other very strange clips episode. I have to imagine because there's not much else going on in the house. We got an entire little segment. I had to have been like close to two minutes right or maybe at least a minute. And a half of Angie. Just kinda chill in going into the expedia room falling asleep waking up and I was Kinda just like watch. Yeah like are you trying to tell me that I should fall asleep during your episode. Not sure this is weird like they've done this a couple of times. I feel like Godfrey where they'll just like dropped some weird character moment into an episode with Chum loopy like last week. They had him doing random thing. What would you say which was again the John Luke segment like era? Wasn't there a couple John Segments like that like Yeah House. I think that's what it is really an issue for that. And she still in this house. She's just asleep and lady running around. We didn't get any we never got any Godfrey Sleeping clips on on season three. Oh boy man and you're the sleeping giant as they got so so we got that we did get a little bit of a heads up in the competition. It's Vanessa talking about how she lost her. Good Pal Kyle who she definitely was loyal to and now this here alliance. Kcbs which she was loyal to Has Shifted into a new alliance and this new alliance is a five personal lines. It's Sheldon Brooke Vanessa. Chris and sue. So we're getting the heads up that that is one of the new structures here in In the house. Yeah take it away Godfrey Alliance I. I don't know how good I feel with having somebody like a leg. Vanessa speak to still be human aligned with her. I feel like they sort of have to keep around since she knew about that. Kyle alliance may be deficient might want to expose that to the House and say oh by the way we to forego and so maybe that's why they wanNA keep your head but how does she already was finally out information in your caught in a lie. I just beginning to distance themselves a week from a little bit and they have. They have distanced themselves from Vanessa. They had not told her everything. Insofar as what they're doing there have been times in the past before where they would like make fake alliances with people for instance like first outer five whatever five out sorry whatever the woman here and they would make a fake alliance and they would tell us okay. This is the pick lines in fact that was that actually came out. They told me this and then she thought people think men lay and then and then it went around and then it came back and then she was like Oh. I didn't do that but she totally did. But in this instance they were making a potential free with men. They were having other talks with people about working together and making alliances even if they don't have a name and they have not told us about this stuff so I feel like it's what you said where they have to keep. Yeah have to keep checking ten generally like related to her in the house so she doesn't total totally go rogue and they are so we're working with her in quotes but beyond that I think they have other people that are higher on their totem pole. I'm kind of waiting to see if Vanessa can realize that or not problem with this alliance that the guy with they are aligned with Vanessa the aligned with Chris and they allied with do yeah. I'm like it's kind of like the the lions aligning with the Lions. And then you're leaving the sheep and the mice running around he rob the Angie and take the Rianne and the Mattie saw like. So you're GONNA target all those guys that people who would be the floaters and you're gonNA carry a strong players with you to the end. I just don't get that part of it. I get it for a guy like sheltered like he wants more shields around more people to distract away from him. But I'm like if you're a person like Suzanne. Are you a person like the message? Would you be thinking? Do I really WANNA go farther? East players should not be a main is that they're going to be the oil to be loyal to Europe is probably GONNA last line at everybody else in their Angie. Nobody's coming up in those people and you WanNa have people who have longevity in the game around you not people who are probably going to be attacked next week. Yeah I I think their problem. The problem is is their loyalty right now. Not that they're overly loyal but kind of their reliance on Brooke who when they were part of K B B S. We're using a little bit of the brigade or pretty boys strategy of divide and conquer and playing the entire house being aligned with as many people in the house as possible now Brooke and Sheldon have continued that Just on their own which is why because they are now in an alliance with everyone in the house including five personal lines. But what makes this confounding from? Vanessa's point-of-view is okay. I wasn't alliance with Sheldon broken. Kyle called caveats in that alliance. We were playing the entire house. We were making fake alliances. We were making relationships. With everyone we were dividing and conquering now. That Kyle's gone. I'm going to be in an alliance with Brooke and Sheldon and this is our crew. It's US against the world. Elite change their business model. No they do exact same thing exactly just without you now. We're going to take a quick break for our sponsors and we'll be right back. 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Because you're more likely to get staff by the only problem I have with been nestle is just the way like when you remember that episode where they told her to throw the competition she tells me and of course we lead does the entire house everybody included that people who are the subject of the whole conversation like I just feel like she's given away too much information interests scrambling to much. She doesn't have to show Associated Gabi became g or whatever very our. Let's go but she was so safe and I just hate when they see people who are in a good comfortable position playing as the fairy bottle. Like some people like that. You'd like to see players who are making like expect a type of gameplay scrambling from mainly not from Vanessa. You sitting pretty. Nobody has even mentioned Vanessa prior to that. I don't think she was having a problem with that but now because she's just running around and she's over playing when it's too early that's my problem with her gate. I feel like she just trying to get involved too much. And it's IT'S BACKFIRING. Each week we see our take another. L. L. because he's getting caught up in these lies and eventually dig. Nobody's going to trust it and she explains it away by saying well. I'm I'm an emotional person and I wear my heart on my sleeve so I let my guard down. I told someone no. You're just overplaying. I feel like I feel like you're just. You're just playing for the sake of plane and you don't recognize that you're actually harming your game this sheet mainly already trusted. Are they already had a good relationship? I feel like she had to give that information to further builds trust. She could've just said Hey. I had a conversation with these guys and I felt like they wanted me to for the competition. Like see. You fuck like don't you heard it has now? She exposes youth. Right obviously GONNA see. We did not say that but if she just says hey from my observation that's what I felt like they were trying to do million would still take that seriously. But she wouldn't run around the Omega Utah. I said because she wouldn't have any to do it so like I feel like. He's just like little micro parts of the game on your time to people that you gotta you gotta remember stuff like this you know. Let's just say to see that's how I felt. That's what they're doing and don't give out the actual information map especially when there's only four people who were involved in the conversation and if it leaks leaks they know it's one of the four. Who did the? It's just was a smart. Yeah I'm with you I'm with you Godfrey a we had a the previous episode. That we saw on Thursday night was a crazy one where we saw. Jomar and Kyle. We didn't actually see it happen but we were told that they were ejected from the game. There's been a lot of discussions surrounding these these decisions. That were made did you. Do you have any thoughts on what's been happening there in the past? I think this whole situation was super fishy late just to let it run back. This whole starts with Jamal calling a house meeting just by that alone. You know. It's not gonNA go. They have a heated exchange jar tells. Kyle Hey if we were on the street. Swelling paraphrasing outside muscles cannot help you in the game became helping upside. You'll get popped and I guess Kyle took that if I'm GONNA get wacked. Killed caused overall out says age of you can get kicked out for something like that. John Mara quickly tried to peddle back panel. And they are. I mean you'RE GONNA GET POPPED. I I just meant you know you're GONNA YOU'RE GONNA get hurt. I Apologize. Venice says I am not a violent person. This is absolutely not what I meant so I feel like just by that alone production. Yeah if you'RE GONNA call up and say hey you send us kind of inappropriate. Were under show. You can be saying stuff like that but I feel like they acted too quickly. They pull the plug too fast. Like I don't know maybe like the main producers working at home that day and some guy on the shift to secure file kick mile. They acted way too fast. And of course twitter who we all saw this transpire. We knew that. Come on Man. Kimmy you kick the personnel be brought A. Us people have been jail before they actually from China. Throw hands. You know Russel's on go ahead. You HIDESHIMA GO HURRICANE. Shema BRAKE EQUIPMENT. And now you have a kid who literally said something. That may not even need that. Who knows where I'm from? Huck means interface. Maybe some other neighborhood maybe Ali. I feel like the way too quickly. Maybe they took a look at twitter. Like Oh my God. People are not happy to out. Well on is the Black Guy. Had One black guy out has a black thing and you got headlines. Seen Big Brother houseguests threatens to shoot another guy. That just doesn't look good. I feel like they realized what they did. And in an effort to do some damage control because now you have people they show in every ad in kind of a house and rightfully so people upset about it like well. What about when House this? What about when he tried to get somebody? Use The n word. They're nitpicking. So production was like well. We gotta do damage control. Maybe Heil out. It was silence. People don't like it's fair but that's it Wa- ridiculous 'cause you don't really have a reason to cow but as he actually on the receiving end of the hurtful controversial comments he said and then that whole explanation from Orissa which she says well. We observed problematic behavior from Kyle. But yet you're not showing us any footage like it wouldn't have made more sense to show this behavior so we know what not to do as a teaching moment. I just feel like they were looking for any reason to just kick them out so they can they can sort them make it a makeup call for kicking off tomorrow and the whole situation fortunate because now people are a lot of people have lost faith and trust in big brother like the wrong. While was something happens when feeds on. You know the whole situation just doesn't make sense and on a final note to a really done like is that on top of that date aired the The segment with Carol wishy made racially insensitive. Joe So I'm willing to Ed and Potentially Ruin Cherries refugees outside the house but Kyle's behaviour that we don't know it's a mysterious footage. You're not gonNA show all the stuff that he said like at least put on a level playing field and there's no headlines Colorado now going out about the bad stuff he did in the house so the whole situation it just seems. It's all unfair to like everybody involved. You know I like I like the last season of us. They handled it world where you add that to Jack guys names right talk Jackson. At least at the end of the show Julie Chen addressed it. Showed all the footage said guys is what you guys said. What do you say about that? And I feel like that was more like a more mature way to handle it where you're not really throwing somebody under the bus but you are bringing what they said to light and lead them either defend themselves and let viewers the judge you know. Let people decide if they're not there but he I don't think any those two guys have been kicked out. It was this mishandled and maybe moving forward now. They might just call people in the room in kind. Give them the tag instead of do what I think. You're completely completely spot on You Mirror a lot of thoughts have already expressed on the cast. And especially your point about like. I think you're completely right. I think that they the acted far too quickly with Jawara. They got a lot of pushback for it. They recognize that. They made a mistake but they didn't. I think this is. I don't think they realized why it was a mistake things. They saw that. It was a mistake because were angry with them. And so they were just like Kyle and they didn't kick out kyle but it don't want anyone checked out. We just feel like you guys came off. We felt like the threats were not serious. Threats would probably set in just like we know. July's character on the show. Really is a goof ball. I don't think like even if somebody. Vive felt uncomfortable as a common. Eu balloon with this kid for like. How long do you really think he's got allow Boorda? I want to stop you really quickly there. Because I don't know I did. You see I. Khas video that she posted on her youtube channel where she talked about the outrage of the big brother fans. If you don't I will I will. I will reach with the link but I just wanted to bring the separately quickly because this has come up over and over again. That Kyle Vanessa that that Jomar acted you upset a little bit in the NBA House. Meaning but of course. Why wouldn't he be upset? Girl mainly is trying to be back doored and he's not getting what he wants to. H H. He has a right to be there but he got up once around at that. Point Kyle and Vanessa said that they were wrong comfortable but of course this ignores all the other stuff that they that they themselves have said to Jomar in the past microaggressions and they're trying to get him say the N. word all this bullshit. Okay so I point in the video. Was that people of color are so still used to sane To to try to defuse the situation with other people say when white people say I'm uncomfortable which Jomar tried to do rudy consequences for that. Yeah what she wants though is for people of Color to start saying you know what I'm uncomfortable with you on uncomfortable with you. Can you imagine if Tamara Kyle? When he was point his bullshit. Yes said Dude. I'm uncomfortable with you right now. Would production treated at the same way? I don't I don't think they would have but I like to think that. That would have put them to the test about whether or not. They're serious about behavior in the Big Brother House. What you're saying is definitely out of had discussions with sister to just watch the show and said that you know if we maybe. It's time that we gotta fight back instead saying that to and say. Hey man you make me feel kind of fear for my life here. I'm uncomfortable which is saying why do white people have a monopoly on that? I I honestly until I consider this. I didn't really realize that expanded Torino like I just feel like if Jomar had said that would not have been taken as seriously like just for like. Oh yeah maybe some Alexa Being directed at Jomaa would not be seen as daddy like thinking about it this way. If let's say little old man he said eighty you're GONNA GET TOMORROW ASK. You probably would have edited that to joke or something really interesting viral clip at keeps circulating L. Pretty Tag. You guys were right after. Jomar says hey but people make noise a lot of time. They saw a montage. Yeah Boom Yeah so see other times. It's like almost like when the white does it. It's not as it's not as scary. It's not as aggressive and another thing. That really made me. Actually feel uncomfortable is the first. This was the first week I episode. Were Kyle really went off on mainly like he was stomping his feet. 'cause she said something about all you gotta you gotTa let me sleep. You know you make too much noise and colleges when his cirque like he was raised I actually thought he was going to snap the poor girl in half and I can only imagine if you had like a like a Blackley like let's say somebody like Anthony. Six foot three. If he had acted in that way it would have been seen as super hostile. They running with Adl. Junior can do that. What you twin. But I feel like with Kyle is almost just overlooked and right there was like man this angrily he seems like a ticking time bomb you know and unfairness to colleague. He was upset. He was justified. But it just goes to show that you know behaving badly in the house. Select aggressive is viewed really worst. If your personal color yeah And and I will say that they have talked on the feeds about. Kyle's absence in the house and how much more comfortable they feel without. Kyle their ego would say though. Yeah so in really. The VIBE has changed in the House for sure with with Kyle gone that. It's just a much lighter. Feeling that people are much happier in general. They're joking around and more that Kyle was really a credit to his game. He was actually playing a game with all this aside. You know it would have been great to see how far he would've gone with that. This is why it's just so upsetting to see like the first two self fixings leg. Business Soft candidate is in the. Us You have to slap somebody price the house and it got for you. Do the the reason why I held the needs to talk about a little bit. I see the people killing move on Chad. Yeah we'll we'll talk about gameplay Keegan somebody in the Chad who's asking us to move on to the game by but they didn't give us closure like this show us anything upsetting. Yeah like when you can just end the note. They sort of show the House meeting bite. You don't show the actual highlight reel the one we wanna see and you like all. Yeah we cycle why. Why are you covering up? I feel like the reason they did not show the full Jomar House meeting and the reason being a show the reason he was actually out is because they figure the casual view was a see that we're going to give me a break. Yeah you somebody over that. Leave people to speculate and Golic. Oh my God he must be done something and then would kyle did a show any problematic behavior because there was no sufficient footage that would justify involved of course like Carmen scholars made. But I don't think anything where somebody would be moved from the game. That's yeah like they need to. I hope they addressed the address on finale night in some way or for like I said I would. I would have been fine at the time and I still would. We find if you know if Aaron Brock. The producer of big brother can't simply came out and said you know what upon further reflection? We made a bad call. We call with Jim. Are we got that one wrong? We're human we make mistakes. We got that one wrong and we're sorry for that and here's what we're doing. We'll do to try to make sure that it doesn't happen again because they were. Us They got pushback on on what happened with their behavior on Big Brother. Twenty one and then they came out with okay. Here's what we're going to do to make sure that doesn't happen. We're going to try to increase diversity in the cast. We're going to let people know what they can and can't do in the house. We're going to be extra stringent about watching that sort of behaviour and watching those microaggressions things like that and calling them out when they have it but yes. I haven't seen any of that big brother Canada. You haven't seen is hoping that people forget about this topic in a week or two. They hope because we're still early in the game. Maybe they're hoping as the season goes on people find new favorites. Maybe this'll just be like an after at all tomorrow that out but I did actually finally I know right. I just wanted to say because I talked to you guys about on our last podcast on the. I think it ends tonight. Actually go fund me for Sandwich. Emaar you guys seriously. We raised over five thousand dollars for him and I am just like I can't believe that like other community did that. I know is pretty awesome and Michael Fund meal. We do we need to go. Godfrey was robbed. I've made this clear already regarded honestly big brother. Candido's Godfrey eighty thousand waiting for my check. Guys Yeah but now I know you guys are donated to real causes all of that but what it does set off on the waiting for you all right. So let's get back to talking about the game and how Carol's quitting okay. That's the game nicely carols quitting and Brooklyn Jim Brooklyn Sheldon are are running everything that is that is what's happening right now. That's pretty much. What is happening? What are you guys really? Big Is Kinda has shot to start something. I noticed that Vega is but they seem to have just fade into the background They still business or well. What we're GONNA do is we're going to get into the live feeds in just a second. So let's we'll talk about that when we get into the live feeds one one final thing. One final thing to talk about before we get into live feeds is. There's a new power new twist in the game on my God. Yeah thank you for reminding me when what was it. Wendy's power necklace. I about fell over when this happened. I was like why he's GonNa get even more power cackling on the ground when it was literally the most useless thing ever considering the way the weeks go hand him the game already. Yeah but yeah then it turns out to be not only like not only would this have been like a power with a ton of teeth to begin with a week where Carol Suffolk thing completely pointless. Like what is this survivor? Getting some It actually works but still in what is probably going to be unanimous. Who's a yeah? It's funny 'cause they were joking around last night about. I think here's said we've probably already ruined three of their twists. Beat the double eviction triple. Possibly I don't know if things are GONNA happen. I mean I guess if we can take solace in anything that it's ruining their twists. Yeah I'm down with that all right. That's about anything else that we wanted to talk about in the episode before he talks Boilers No. Spoilers Stack. Wanted me ask this real quick. She said that she has a question for God. Free God for she wants to know. What will you be pissed if Carol gets to finale? Let's assume she's the victim Thursday by the way? Will you be pissed if Carol gets to go to the finale? If Niko Jomar and kyle are left out of the finale you lately past if that had I. I don't even WanNa see kill finale weekend let alone go to the like. Are you kidding me? Somebody who is quitting the game like I'd rather have Niko Niko back was. He seemed like that kid seemed like he was dressed like nothing was going well for him. The embarrassment of going first. So you can Kinda SORTA renate with somebody like that orange. Oh if you this was really annoying is the fact that she wants to be voted out formerly so that the history books not shown that she quit the game. It's just GonNa seem boarding house gets did a noble E. by Ford in her out and she wants to still get to possibly be injury and still get paid. No no honey. You're like if you're quitting quick. But don't none of the voter out. So she can sit in jury and decide the of the winner they. How can you even have confidence in somebody like that? Voting for a winner when they quits use uninvolved in uninvested in the game that they still want to be kind of part of it. No I don't think should be invited. Yeah I mean even even like as part of like the pre jury coming back. I feel like no she quit. This should be labeled as a quit. L. No yeah. It's so here's what I'm hoping for on finale night when everybody is skyping in because let's face it turns out actually going to be there. Everyone's skyping in Carol's GonNa just be calling over and over and somebody who's just going to be like pressing the ignored. Pay attention to me. I'm on you really manages to convince all these people to void out then I guess technically the rules are the rules and they would let Godfrey honestly because like the thing that I don't think you understand is that is the fear that these houseguests have that. If they don't do this show is going to be cancelled. They really between the Cobra virus and the fact that they've had to be canceled. Vanessa mainly they brought Brooke and Sheldon who are super fans of the show and other people have talked about this and also Shelton's got a little bit of unofficial official like prodding from the Dr Tearing. I have alluded to do. He feels liking needs to give carol what she wants here and not try to make herself on her own. You know I'm not sure but I feel like there's some funny stuff going on. I don't think this show is cancelled for that. I I agree with you. But they don't know what we know they just know how bad it looks. We have one person if if Carol Celtics here they don't give her what she wants to have four or five people self or quit when no one in the history of big brother. Canada has ever done that before so like they. They just with with Dacoven virus because they've been getting updates about the corona virus and bat is and they got the letters from their families and they know it's pretty bad you know it's a live like honesty for me. These people they just need to it would be such a horrible movement everybody involved. It is not India. Best interest to voluntarily. Vote Kennel out. You better off. Having to people leave less than the numbers you know. Trump's on fat at the House you have to go out instead of one is say. Why giveaway does she get to decide when she needs the game all right and he. It's a democratic slow. And we're not just do what you want so less. Production is really in the ear. China and I don't way wood products you will give it what. I'm confused we. We are seeing sue very upset in the episode about the situation and she is very much of the mind that she does want Carol to like if she wants to leave then let her leave just like we need to get out of the house. And I'm glad that I remembered this because I think this is something that should be talked about here if the episode because we saw it in the episode that sue is very concerned that men will target her and Vanessa. And that's because of some of what we saw last week. Where obviously got into it with Vanessa because Vanessa ratted her out invite about it and so on and so forth. What we haven't seen on the show is that also got into it with sue because men was jealous of. Sue's relationship with Jomar and complained about sue saying that you should be ashamed of her behavior with Jomar. That sue has a boyfriend and if she was her boyfriend she would have broken up with her. And Vanessa was in on that as well and so. That comment goes back to sue when Min Vanessa got into an argument because Vanessa had no reason to keep it a secret anymore and so soon got very upset with men and men tried to explain to sue that. Yes yes I said that. But Vanessa was also saying that and Vanessa has also said a lot of other things. She's been trying to get people to go after you. She's been saying that you're the female so on and so forth but sued did not believe men and sue kind of feeling like men is probably going to go home anyway this week even though at the time she did not know whether there would be an addiction or or not that She basically just shut down and did not engage in did not try to do any kind of damage control with men men. You're dead to me. Essentially and their relationship ended there. And so now she's worried that her and Vanessa. The two biggest people who had issues with her last week are going to on the chopping block. If men wins power now the thing is Vanessa has been talking to men. Vanessa has been rekindling. Her relationship has been doing damage control to the point. Where men doesn't really want to go after Vanessa anymore. She does still want to go after. Sue because sue has continued to ignore her and target her raise fit when when she's not being targeted this week. And it's really It's not a good look here for Su who has otherwise been playing a good game Brent. Yeah I'm really upset with sue because I I love her. I think she's done a great job. This is honestly to my mind. This is the first time that sue has not gotten her way like basic a. She has gotten her way this entire game. Everything has gone her way. What Sagan. She was almost gone to First Week. Of course exactly and but then but then after that she quickly pivoted like when it was down to her and Eko like she had all the votes she knew she was said she got into an alliance and she was ready to go with the KBS stuff and then this is the first time where she really hasn't gotten her way. She's acting like such baby about it. Like really playing with their emotions. Not having any sort of urgency about trying to mend our relationship with mainly like anything can happen. It'd be Middle Age. Yeah and it was. It was so unnecessary that she's a target of men's anyway. That relationship had no reason to break down in the way that it did but she was being a little high in Miami because she knew she was safe in her alliance and mentally was on the block going home. She didn't anticipate Kyle also being pulled from the game so the night caused the addiction to be cancelled. And then you know here. We are but then again. She had a couple of days since sheldon and one H H again. Go to try to make things better. But she hasn't done anything like that all she has to do is the thing about it. This way Godfrey Milly has been nominated by Sheldon twice and I know that they have done so good. I know they have a final three. I know they've talked about like. I got that still remains that Sheldon has nominated mentally twice. There's no reason why mentally if she wins h she should be going after sue. She she should be going after sheldon suck or organised so more of these league. Yeah like there's sewage. Like number six on the list of people for her to go on the block is as a result of sheldon yet right. Oh he does like. It's obviously she's coming after. Don't tell you this if merely stays in the house this week. I hope that she is the cause of Brooke or Sheldon's demise because if this is the way it goes they totally deserve it. I hope they're ceding power when they don't have to so and I know I'm asking you a lot of them. Basically asking them to sorry. Go ahead Godfrey when they have the power the a waste in it. Yeah I mean to be fair. They would have gotten out last week and they would have gotten her out this week if not for a lot of different interfering things just don't want to go and try culture a cadre all they have to pull the trigger. They can pull the trigger and get ready. I don't think I don't think that's the right move. I really don't I don't think so either but they can do it all right. Well let's start here is let's get into this boilers and that's what we have from the episode. Thank you guys for hanging out with us for the episode. Talk Godfrey if these people that don't WanNA listen to feed talk if they wanna find you on social media where can work and they do that. Yeah you guys come find me at Godfrey Instagram I also have another fan? Instagram AT BABY CAN CRIBS. Creams would as e the end instead for us. So abby began cribs or at We could talk big brother. They're almost on twitter. At least he's all right. You can of course find me on twitter at Armstrong Town Brenton's at one lucky. I will be back tomorrow morning at eleven. Am Eastern to update your having the happened today on the big where the candidate live feeds. And then Tuesday night. We're GONNA have our next roundtable of the seasons and makes you tune in for that and it's time to get into our spoilers with no song says this year the following warning this is he's oiler that's all. I know I'm not doing the whole thing. It's not happening on all right all right. So let's talk about what's happening here And I mean honestly I did get most of the game. Talk Out of the way in the episode Let's talk because there's really not much else to tell you Other than maybe get into a little bit more detail about what's happening here. Which is that and I did allude to this sheldon and Brooke are in an alliance with every single person in the house. And I don't mean one big house wide alliance. I mean several different chunks of people that all inter lap. There's not a single person who is not included in some way and not a single person talking about targeting either of them anytime soon that we have basically we have Vanessa and Chris targeting hero and J. L. you've got jail Mattie and read the victors plus all targeting Chris and Vanessa you have men targeting sue and wants to put Angie on the block next tour and and so yeah. You're you're you're they. Here's here's the thing I agree. I think that Sheldon winning. This really could have been a bad thing for him but he has used the power very well. That's really put him in a position to be seen as a reliable ally and the fact that he is a big target. Is I think also helping. Because so many of the people he's aligned with our thinking sheldon and Brooke they're always together. Sheldon had won a bunch of competitions. Now somebody will go after them doesn't have to be us. They're a target in front of us. Little do they know they're aligned with everybody in the house and therefore nobody's target and therefore nobody's shield but they don't see that because they don't see what Sheldon in Brook are doing and so the they seem they seem to be getting away with it here Godfrey. Yati seem to be getting away with it. Pretty good right now Nobody is released sheldon. You would think he'd be such an obvious target. I guess yet people are seeing him more as ally except for if you're mainly or my in mentally has a final three with us. Exactly you know mad. He adds Maggie and also had an alliance of shelving Rubio Science with Sheldon. Yeah so like with the only believe it or not. I feel like the only person who really would come after Sheldon would probably be smart enough to actually fix later on down the line in now together know how dangerous they are as they they see. They're the only people who would come after each other. They don't want people smart enough to come after a semi showman's yes that's that is part of what what else is happening over. The course of the week they do appear to be Falling deeper and deeper into each other. Yeah so basically. It's weird that they actually still running this aim and would somebody like who kyle who as good as he was he was to to out there he was to. You know like what's the word I'm looking for years to just two out there you're Sheldon be a more relaxed. They're more doing everything that calendar would've been doing but right now they're doing it keeping it on the law. The only thing I don't like is how the keep winning the stuff. Yeah and something that has actually helped in. That regard is the veto competition which did take place and was basically a pointless competition to be clear. They one hundred percent plan on a victim. Carol there that they are all on board to do this. So this week is completely pointless. The veto was basically completely pointless. However hero won the veto and this is very helpful for Sheldon because instead of the talk being sheldon has won two back to back as a lot of talk in. The House is Sheldon. One two competitions. Here's one two competitions. Chris has won two competitions. So those three are com- threats. We are assuming that jail kind of part one of veto jails probably also threatening. It seems like the guys in general are threats in the competitions and it's not really specific to sheldon. Yeah I would say like right now with the dynamic of Man. I just can't believe that these people are agreeing to vote. Carol man like this is so is beyond stupid manages most Swedish thing. I've probably ever witness in the history of western Canada. You're going to get RID OF SOMEBODY. Who Literally is going anyway? Why does this this no way? This can possibly make sense. Maybe for Sheldon Brooks since they are now aligned with mindy and like hey I guess carole go mainly is more useful to us in the game will. Clearly she's more useful? Mccarroll would have been as carol is decided to quit but I just the rest of the people in House. Manda can't possibly make case and get somebody who was Never GonNa win the game anyway. Who is not threat? The name of the game. Is You take people out through a threat to you. You take people out who are. GonNa come after you orienting. We're GONNA win the game. Carol was doing none of that from what I've observed. She's been pretty close friendly with everybody if anything she would have been an asset. So it just like. It's just it's actually infuriated. It's worse than Sheldon Swiss them to adopt it's worse than Nico Self evicted. Like this is. The is just outright stupid. Anyone down in disagreed idea. I think a lot of what's happening is the fear of looking. Like an Astle is is a big part of it for a lot of them. The fear of producers being angry with them is definitely a big part of it for some of them. Now sue the. We've talked about sue. Really being the sue has been going around and trying to round people up to say. Let's blindside carol per and then we'll turn it into a double eviction and Carol. We'll have to walk out the door Bite she's getting no traction. Vanessa is turning her down. Vanessa actually wants to stay right now. I don't know why it's frigging Saturday and Sunday. Why the Hell is she bringing this up? Now wait till Tuesday evening. Wait till Wednesday morning would do you really think if it's if she really thinks she's GonNa be able to keep a secret for four or five days. Come on yeah. She approached hear about it as well and hero. Who is like I think? Genuinely a nice guy doesn't just want to not look like an asshole like genuine legs like come on a hero not not on board. She approached Sheldon and Brooke about it. Sheldon was actually like I kind of like this idea. Can we make this work and Brooke was like? I don't think we can. We need five votes first of all. We don't have those votes. Sue thinks that she gets the she has here and Vanessa but they both basically politely turned her down. So that doesn't really exist there and then even if they can get those votes. It's it's Brooke saying we look like assholes to not only the audience but to the rest of the house who think that we should be doing this and will ruin ourselves. Socially will make ourselves look like heartless game players which will destroy the perception. We're trying to create in the house and so unless everybody's on board I feel like we can't do it and everybody is probably not GonNa get onboard even approaching somebody about. This is probably enough to make them. Think twice about us in terms of like our cutthroat throated Miss Right in the game so so you know honestly sue is really one of the only people that is really gung ho about trying to make it happen reason. Why she's Gung Ho about it is because the fact. She's made mistakes like she's trying to fix her on the stakes and she doesn't WANNA swallow pride and go to me and say hey. Let's let's settle this like women and let's figure out what the hell is going on here. And why are you like I? Did I do something to offend you if I did? I'm so sorry. I was in a bad mood that day. Well whatever own your shits and move on with it. There's no reason why they should be targeting. Each Other again sell shovel has nominated mainly twice and yet somehow she if she got power. She's going to nominate Sheldon. I don't think he's yeah. She's talked to the cameras about it. She's told everybody. Her plan is sue and Angie and she wanted I love she she angie and then an engine mainly they absolutely each other. Angie Angie I believe is voting minutes the Kansas Gas will not go along with Carol Spiel so some suspect Angie is not gonNa vote. It's not a unanimous vote. People is you know what would have been great but. I don't think big run out as always to do this. This will be the perfect time for a nice little twist. Instead of the House voted. This week is candidates vote. Thank God of cooking. See US care. There's never been a better time for a candidates saves vote never in my life. If I advocated for this before that would be amazing seriously. That would be the best thing. We'll be a bigger blindside. Denise Good God oh man I want that to happen all right. That would be so great that we have to get the Wendy's power necklace. Couldn't have been candidates saves. Yeah Oh man oh man what's what did he end up picking with that we know I mean? He played in the veto competition. So I imagine he picked the vote thing which took and she's folks you be unanimous after all be cancelled. Angie's vote. Yeah Yeah I. I'm not don't really know his reasoning. He hasn't talked about this on the feeds. I like because my first thought was playing the veto. And throw it so that you have another loss on your record but I think that. Perhaps he's just going to maybe use it. Because if he plays in the veto kind of it makes it obvious that he used a power some somehow if he takes away a vote he might be able to just like well. Why was there a vote missing? Who knows and it doesn't really fall on him right so that might that might be where it is but I. I don't know for sure because honestly I've just been doing the math here with twelve people left Sheldon's. Hr wage to people on the block. It means only eight people involved right so if he cancels out a vote. He turns that to only seven. People voting really afford to win. He has brook to vote. Is Way you can get the people. It's just a matter of whether or not there's buy in from the rest of the house big enough to do it. Sixteen people right was sixteen or fifteen to Karen and there are. There are twelve people in the house right now. So there's nine votes. Yeah so if you take one away then he could if he could deal with five but if he could do it with four and break the tie right careful that'd be substrates sheldon. I would love you forever seriously. If yes he did that Mike and I love and I wanNA keep her and at least one hundred Manica jury but like this'll be good if they actually did this and they just torch their games and lit it on fire and they said you know what we're GonNa do this for the good of show we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA keep Carol. We're GONNA vote mentally. It's a forty four tie sheldon breaks the tie Carol. I'm going to save you. Vote to bid and they both get up and just walk out. I feel like the speech would be carol. Get yourself out of here. I'm not doing it for you. So you would be. If he wants to be a legend in the game that will let you if you only knew if he doesn't know that's the problem isn't that the season's GonNa get cancelled anyway. It's not gonNA matter so might as well go for it Godfrey have we talked to anything. Is there anything else that you wanted to you? Bring up here. I think that's pretty much. It Man of said all that has to be said I don't want I'm not down with this plan of voting. Carol ouds leading her safe. Phas epilepsy just south of She can just solve a bit. You know maybe an grant. Maybe you want to start a gofundme for her. She can go to hell. I'm not doing that I honestly I. I didn't start the go fund me. I donate it to of and I share it but I did not. I did not start it. That was done by somebody else. Kathie Russo was lady who started the go fund me for Jomar but no. I want a really quickly. I am continually amazed by Sheldon and as much as I hate on him sometimes is amazing game that he's been playing it is. It is not an easy task to win back-to-back Aitchison. I mean back to back like literally back to back and to have this much control of the house and be so seen as being with Brooke all of the time. They're literally hanging on each other all of the time. There's some fans home something going on there. I don't know what it is still. The House knows that it's there and yet the entire houses like it okay with it. Yeah they're okay with it because they feel like they know what that is they feel like the that other people will come eventually that they're good people that you can trust them and so no. There's no need to come for right now. So it is amazing to me that somebody who's going back to back is doing as well as he is. But I think part of it is to do with what you said in the update. I can't remember. It was a Sunday or Saturday where you talked about the fact that Chris on his age he was seen as such a Gamer. Like he stabbed Michael in the back and he lied right to his face any amount of house whereas with Sheldon. It's just been like look I. I'm doing what the House wants me to do. I really don't trust you. Men You know like and that's the reason why Mitt is come back to him because he's Aaron you front as opposed to the vital Tristan in this whole. Let's invite Carol Platt ease down. He's on board. He wasn't happy about it at first. Especially but now him and Vanessa are both onboard to keep min around. Man has been doing good work with them. Vanessa does not trust men. She's still is annoyed by men but she feels like she humors men enough. That men is back she's one min over. I've got men now and she doesn't. It's not coming for her. That's the thing yea she. She's not coming for Vanessa anymore. And she was before so she could see. She has her more than she did. Which is absurd in and of itself. It's totally absurd. Like I don't know how that happened. But on Vanessa spoiler alert. I'm not giving Vanessa a one this week. I will just tell you got. Is that the stock what she has done enough in my eyes. I cannot say that her chances of winning the game are a one out of ten in my eyes. She hasn't done enough to deserve the she's done less. And that has that has been better for circumstances can change. So we'll see the jets weeks not over friend. I'm not sure that's true. I think what is the Sunday? I gotta put my scores in on Tuesday. Okay yeah there's still time still time eyesight please. God for about the victors and what they're up to during the show. Show recap the victors right. Now are still together that we have jail is working very closely with Sheldon and Brooke. He gets along with them really well. And he is helping bridge the gap that used to be there between Sheldon Brooke Me Mattie and ry and so like I said they now have kind of in alliance a working alliance happening right now with hero involved while here is also very close to the victors and so so. That's that's like a crew over here and all of them right now of course sheldon and broke actually targeted anyone. Because they don't need to have all of the victors are right. Now Targeting Chris and Vanessa Chris in particular but but also Vanessa as these sort of alternate air. Which is you know. Kind of what they have to be doing. Because Chris and Vanessa are targeting hero and jail. Chris prefers hero leave. Vanessa prefers J. L. and so depending on which one h that's that's who the target is going to be is what they've tearing somebody in the chat. Kathy wanted me to ask about. Apparently I missed this. Mattie overheard Vanessa way back in the day telling them in about the fact that brock one in hurts throw the veto which of course in and of itself was a lie. Mattias claiming that she overheard Vanessa tell men and thus and thus mattie knows that Vanessa was lying in the House meeting when she was denying it Simmons face of that is that Canon whether or not she over actually overheard it. She does believe they've ESA did say so so she. She does believe that Vanessa was lying about the whole thing and the end end something else. Men has also been doing work on the victors. They still don't trust her like Vanessa and Chris feel like well. She's not coming after me. So we're okay with the men is calling her shot. She's saying I'm going after sue. Everyone's good with sue. But nobody's great with sue and they're all very willing to be like so say it's so funny watching sue because sued looks like a crazy person. Walk around the house trying to get men out and everyone else is just like So what do you want us to? Do you want us to Bora Bora Bora Games for you? Like are you crazy? We're not GONNA do that. And so then she becomes even more unstable. She's like we have to get her out if she if she was H H. I am totally gone. Do you hear me. Is You keyword? You totally got yeah. That's going to be good. I'm pre- guys. We have mainly survived. Again I mean she's going to be in jury which means to win the game. I couldn't I seven. Persinger could be. It could be but I'm hoping that the jury starts and then I normally prefer juries but but nevertheless though if if mentally isn't a jury she's got a even if she survives pass this. I think she's got a chance to win. The game shot definitely she. Nobody really is coming for her. Especially but then again it. Muniz men and she gets into trouble sometimes so I do think it'll be interesting. I think that there there are still some people. Even the people who don't mind men who talk about like you shouldn't really be here like Like doesn't really do anything. She did that she stayed. But there's a lot of time for that to change and it's not like people haven't won when they've massively benefited from twists or anything in the past few think about it. What's really the difference? Yeah usually people get credit for it when they benefited from the twist. Yeah well that's true but I unfortunately I think the perception is that the twists are more part of the game than than the than anything else but like. It's all random chance if you think about it really what's the difference? So that's what we got for you like. I said I'll be back tomorrow morning at eleven. Am Eastern to update happened. Today on. The Big Brother can't eight life Godfrey. Thank you so much for joining us tonight that this has been. This has been a blast. Thank you guys too. Thank you Karen. Thank you Brent for the invite calm and all yes anytime unman like you know a lot of big things that people get booted out so yeah. This'll be a week from you. 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Leading Voice Innovation with Nithya Thadani and Nick Godfrey CEO & COO of RAIN

Inside VOICE

20:28 min | 1 year ago

Leading Voice Innovation with Nithya Thadani and Nick Godfrey CEO & COO of RAIN

"The call for proposals for Voice Summit Twenty twenty is available now having the opportunity to speak at voice summit will be highly competitive this year. So of if you'd like the chance to be a speaker at this year's event fill out the form at voice summit DOT AI and Click on apply to speak proposals or only open until January thirty first so be sure to get yours in now. That's Voice Summit Dot A. I.. And Click on apply to speak. Rain was founded in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine and has been top agency for for a long time in the last few years. Rain made the decision to pivot towards voice in this episode Nathan Donnie the CEO of rain and Nick Godfrey the COO of brain discuss why they transition voice how they've been able to lead innovation invoice and attract clients like starbucks tied head space and more plus how they manage leading eating a top voice agency in being great parents high inside voice podcast listeners. This is your co host Kerrie Roberts and today my guests are Nitya Donnie. The CEO of rain and that Godfrey the CEO of rain. Welcome and thank you both for being here. Thank you very jerry. So rain was founded in nineteen ninety nine and has been in a top agency for a long time in the last few years. Rain made the decision to pivot to voice. Can you describe the rationale behind this decision. I'd love up to get started and quick. Thanks for you for having us on. I'll actually hunt this over. KNISH YA in fifteen seconds. But I'll start the podcast by giving myself itself some Kudos because why not start that way but I I really believe as a founder probably my biggest responsibility is talent and bringing in talent and this was someone I had my eye on as someone to run this company for a long time and after I started in two thousand six if you fast forward a a decade later bringing in Nicosia kind of run this company in the future was I think the smartest and best decision I've made as founded this company so I'll let her give the back story of how she came in but I do take pride in that one major decision thanks neck so yeah I mean I joined wind rain actually as a consultant and that was a favor to nick and I think coming in that way was important because I really had an opportunity as you understand rain and its assets with a fresh perspective and you know not to mention the fact that everyone loves dish out dirty laundry to a consultant Especially when they're not part of the company and that information gathering was really valuable especially when I ultimately joined a CEO. Because I went into this is wide open at the time that that I joined rain. As Nick mentioned in twenty sixteen rain was doing many things in the technology space website mobile applications and voice was one of them but it really wasn't the focus it was just a small sliver of the business and at the time voice was very much being led by our technology teams somewhat in a silo and it wasn't being approached approach as a holistic strategy creative in tech solution the way that we offer it today there were just so many early indications that voice was going to be ubiquitous rain and had a very unique right to win in this space through our own technology capabilities and relationships but particularly with some of the early traction. We had with the big platform players namely Amazon. Initially at that time so very quickly after joining the company we made the decision to double down to the completely voice. Ai That that was three years ago and we haven't really looked back. And I really believe that that pivot and the ability to be hyperfocused has allowed us to stay ahead of the carbon really maintain income of our advantage in this space. Now what are some of the successes and challenges that making this pivot and to voice has brought to your agency all-star with a challenge. I think think for me as kind of an operational logistic guy him into a brand new space especially innovation has been tricky right so in our previous iteration were building a lot of websites and when I'm building a website I knew it takes about four or five meetings. Close the deal. I the approximate price point. You know of of building a website would be x one hundred thousand dollars. I knew that it would take me X.. Amount of months and I would make up to eighty percent margin when we're in the invasion baker especially building voice experienced. A lot of the things we're doing is we're doing that for the first time. So there's a lot. More education involve or spot. More meeting you'll cycle is longer we're having to get different stakeholders on board. More budgets aren't as clear as they were in the past. Sometimes they come from an innovation group. Sometimes they come from brands. PNL really figuring out how that sweet spot of how to get. The work started how to execute the war how to service our clients. Efficiently has been challenging. Everything we do we do it for the first time. That's been one of the biggest challenges you know on the success side and I'll let you chime in as well you know. We had at agency in our previous existence full of people that came to work at rain digital latitude. We had graphic designers copywriters we strategies we have project managers and we still have a lot of those roles by all those roles. Change Change fundamentally if you're a designer rain in two thousand sixteen well. What does that mean for us? When you now working at a voice company and not an adage dining website and it's been really amazing to watch people involved? I evolve the probably the biggest success I would say the core executive team you bet rain and and down from the top has really evolved. They've evolved their skill sets befall their approach accepting new challenges that playing in a space. That's it's been you and for the most part. A lot of people accepted this with open arms and they become experts in a field. That three or more years ago wasn't even really on their radar so watching the watching people skill sets change has been really exciting. I echo all of that said and you know. The pivot is so interesting because we Often ask ourselves okay three years ago if we had actually started rain from scratch rather than hitting from what was a much larger organization Shen what would have been different. Would we have built the team differently. Would we have made decisions differently. And that wasn't the case it may have been easier but instead you know we had had the people the talent the assets of rain pryor and we had to shift and kind of pivot all of that together structurally and organizationally to meet this new demand in this new we need. Interestingly in Nick said the that has been a lot of our advantage in some ways. Because the reason that we're able to do this work so well is because we don't have a team of technicians or a team of the designers we have strategists. We have folks folks engineers designers all working under under one roof and all with a very diverse skillset that comes from kind of traditional agency that we've been able to re appropriate to the new space and that's really allowed to do this report. Well and your agency has worked with twenty three fortune one hundred companies including starbucks head space tied and black rock just to name a view. What has been your key to building such a strong brand name and reputation that attracts companies of this size and caliber to want to work with you? Invoice her us. A lot of our success has been really kind of grassroots and getting our brand out there and the thing that has really differentiated us is just putting great thinking out to the market and to our clients are posture. Rain is never to sell. It's always to educate and fire and we do that through our newsletter or a thought leadership through events that we speak at and the amount of time that we spend with clients really helping them identify the challenge and use cases for boys. We joke a lot here saying that we should sell more directly than we actually do but I think that posture of being strategic and being a partner a thought leader has really given nothing edge and help can create a very strategic brand for us. You know another core tenant of rain that I think is like to show our success serves the DNA in Wyatt's quantum roques have it attention is challenging. I might be for another company is we were always rooted and strategy we always had this visceral fundamental negative the reaction to what we call shiny objects drum where we would call say clients. Sos Syndrome where somebody would come up with a really tactical idea and it goes back back decades whether it was a flaps or an IOS game or we all experience clients coming to us very taxable ideas so we always worst more strategic. And I think that the coming from various strategy heavy background when she came and she really leaned on that she really all-star Strategy Department and everything everything we do in start using a strategic sober strategic exercise. So we're not participating and wonky briefs or crazy. The idea is we're making sure that everything we're building is Richard in real qualitative and quantitative insights and a lot of times we hear from our fine voice experiences Great Commander Strategy Work and the way you got to this voice. Experience was really impressive. So not being tactical been a big benefit with the larger and I would love love if you could share with us any success stories of the clients that you've worked with I can I can keep going. I'll talk about head space. It's a client of ours for almost almost three years. Now and our chief creative officer always uses Daniel Day Lewis quote where it talks about voices the thumbprint of the soul. which I think is a really powerful powerful quote and we've really found that some of the analytics that were able to get via these voice? Experiences are invaluable for clients so you take something like heads Bates were able to get utterance data for its based. We're able see and we're able to hear the exact word sentences people are speaking in your experiences As they're going through meditation we're able to drive inside of how people wandering consumer journey in terms of meditation. You can't get that analytics. That type of insight in back comes from veterans data. That's fundamentally different. We talk a lot about this data sort of being like a focus group of y when when you talk about head space and you talk about success I think those insights and that data for head space is super valuable. Yeah on that note. I love the example. That Amazon Amazon Austin gives about the work with capital one. Where after they built their experience they had a number of users rather than asking? Hey what's my balance or hey canoe new make this transaction for me asking. Hey capital one. How am I doing and I know? That's an extreme example. But I think for us we have been doing a significant amount to work recently in industries. Like NANTEUIL services. So when you talk about success we've worked with BLACKROCK. We're working with Amex Mastercard E. Trade and that audience of being able to pull in really rich sentiment data into how you build these experiences in that relationship with the brand is exciting in industries like the Angela services services that are very traditionally transactional relationships with the consumer. There's so much opportunity to really disrupt and transform and create more empathetic traumatic and emotional connection with brands. And that's exciting and I want to switch gears just slightly because I think what's also impressive about both of you. Is that so you have two young kids and Nick Your parent as well and having a thriving career while still trying to be a great parent is something. A lot of people struggle with. They can be hard themselves for not feeling like they're doing well enough at both. So I'm curious how to each of you try to balance your personal and professional life and do you have any tips for those trying to do the same well carry. You joked earlier that I accepted your calendar. Invite at four. Am I would say that. Extreme lack of sleep is part of the juggle but it's very challenging and I think For me mentally the mental juggle is a big part of it. You know my mind is always in both places at the same time. I'll be at the office and you know Oh can't help thinking about flu shots or ballet practice and similarly. There are so many times probably more times than I'm at home thinking about rain. Particularly given the nature of this space voice voice say I is so exciting because it's changing every day but that pays also makes it really hard to step away so I- consciously and very actively try to be more present in both places when I'm at home with my kids before bed. I'm with them both physically and mentally as best. I can for those two hours and then usually kind of back online. My advice would be twofold one set expectations for yourself that are realistic. It's not gonNA be the same perfect every day but I can assure you that there will be more days as a balanced and not do nothing urging and the second thing would be to really find help and support and that doesn't necessarily mean that you have to pay for it for me that uh-huh in so many different forms they have a great husband and partner who juggled with me every day at home and then I have great partners here. It rained two from day. One in in kind from the top down. This team is so supportive of family and understands priorities. You know outside of the pressure that I personally put on myself. There's never been a moment really really working here at rain where I have felt any pressure to deprioritize family or my kids in any way and I think that's important and unfortunately it's still somewhat unique. This sustain particularly at the executive level are revolve. I would also add that at a good time. It'd be working our tails off with family. I think that's because of technology. Quite frankly our calendars have. I have daily meetings that automatically move through a piece of software US based on people's availability into my add. Something your calendar. I don't have to go and write sixty day. Sorry I'm pushing this meeting. This is for internal meetings usually only but the and the automation does everything if I need to be at a parent. Teacher Conference Connecticut until noon. I know that I'm GONNA crank tonight at nine PM. Probably work for a couple of hours late night and that's kind of accepted today more than ever so I also think with remote workforce's with all the great technology there's more flexible schedule and you need that. When you're raising kids running WANNA while and I love that both of you that personally and that rain is such a big advocate for that as Boyce grows and more companies see and understand the we'll have a voice presence? Where do you see rain leading the voice world in the near and distant future? So I'll kick off this one. I believe this kind of the most fun I have every day. It sounds cliche but I really believe this. Rain is uniquely position to really really leverage voiced. Jason bigger out exactly where we'll be able to return the most value to our clients and figuring out where with an voice is something that I think is really fought. Who made the decision to go? All in and become a voice company and I think the idea where would invoice making another decision and going even more narrow and even even more niece is really exciting. I think all the work we're doing now across a bunch of different sectors in laying the foundation that we're going to be able to make that right decision. Are we going to focus solely on the car. We're going to focus on the enterprise. I was reading an article conversation yesterday with a movie actor. WHO's talking about who owns my voice? I don't have to be on anymore. Because they can recreate my voice GonNa Change. My paycheck was voice synthesis. Meantime I going to be able to license. My voice yeah. I don't think rain is going into the movie business but just another example of how so much beyond this world beyond skills and action. I get a lot of the press right now because of the proliferation of smart speakers but voice capital the such a huge industry and every day the debating in the ideas where we're going to really focus is really yeah and just to piggyback on that Nick as one of those potential areas mentioned enterprise. Ai Hi and that's that's certainly one of our best and growth platforms in the future. You know. Many of our current clients in the brands that were speaking to are starting to see that traction and potential potential of voice with consumers and also kind of flipping the script and looking internally and starting to think about ways that voice can improve internal operation so thinking about employee experience an employee training and ways that voice can fundamentally transform productivity and bottom line. This is a whole new world and it's just so fascinating and exciting. I mean we're doing a plant site visit with one of our manufacturing clients later this month to kind of observe and figure out how and where we might might be able to integrate voice into the way that their employees are working to make the process run better for us. That is a new territory but really really exciting and it's true innovation work and when we talk about being a strategic partner and thought leader for clients that have to include the whole picture both the consumer and customer touch point but also these internal operations. Now where can people learn more about rain and connect with each of you all right so if you wanted to find out more about rain you can check out our website excite rain dot agency and I encourage you to subscribe to our newsletter voice on Voice. You can actually do that from our website right at the bottom of the page. No poll semi dairy Righi here and give out my email McKee at rain agency. I'm very responsive I'd love to hear from people not going to give out my cell phone number but happy to get some emails from blister and the last question we like to ask all the guests on the show to help promote boys is what is a flash briefing voice skill or experience. You're using right now and really enjoy so I can start here. Actually Nick had mentioned had space earlier. But when you talk about that mental juggle of kid and work had basis. Certainly one that I've kind of put into my rotation and interestingly I've actually had my daughter WHO's four. We were stuck in the car on the way back from Thanksgiving and Kinda does she was engaging with it as well. So had is one that I quite frequently for efficiency and kind of just getting out of the door every day whereas another one that that is in my rotation and I'll give you two. That are both very related to our conversation about kid. Hopping copying coffee is very important. Part of our lives so the starbucks reorder skill. Shameless plug is filled. That is one I used often and then one that I've been using a lot recently. The really cool voice experience called this day in history and and I have a four and a half year old and for those of you out there with young kids know what sponges they are and every day we ask Alexa about this day in history it can lead to an hour long conversation via lower. My son keep firing questions often made by. It's been a great fun breakfast Learning experience. So I really like. aww I'm I'm not sure who built it but a big fan. Well thank you so much nick and nick for being here for sharing what you're creating and four continuing to be a leader in the voice space. Thank you Kerry Kerry thank you for listening to the inside voice podcast. We he greatly appreciate you being a part of our community. And if you enjoyed this episode or you like the Podcast we would love it if you would subscribe a follow like share. Leave a review of the show. If you have any questions comments feedback people. You WanNa see on the show things you WANNA learn. Feel free to send us an email at Carey at motive dot com. That's K.. Ah Are I at M. O. D. E. DOT COM and be sure to check us out online at voice summit dot Ai. Thank you and we look forward to chatting sitting with you next week yeah.

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48: Thinking Machines (Artificial Intelligence)

Breaking Math Podcast

59:17 min | 9 months ago

48: Thinking Machines (Artificial Intelligence)

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We both now have mics at our own houses so we are happy to be bringing you this episode. We do have some things related to mathematics as as the pandemic to bring to you. That's right so Because a lot of people don't have an idea of the sort of scale that That is In question when people are talking about the Kobe Nineteen Pandemic. And so what we did. Is We prepared a few files to Kinda show where we are in the pandemic And the answer is were still in the middle of it So here is a representation of sound is measured in Hertz. Us Liz US per second and here is a thousand percent can just view idea with it. It's like off and here's five. Hundred has the isolation percents So now we're gonNA play a sound. File representing of people dying in the world. Every for every wave is one person dying it ten people. It is a morbid topic. I realized this on the less is a very real picture of what we're dealing with right now. And in order to make some meaning out of this in order to understand it we do have to look at the numbers. So these are sobering is. But they're very very important to understand. Especially for policymakers and for all of us to realize why we are in quarantine so without further ado this sound represents the growth in the number of deaths and how many deaths is it per hurts. She said Ten ten deaths per session so that that Sunday you heard. At the beginning of the thousand Hertz play again that would would represent ten thousand people dying per second. Wow and of course if you were to look at that Wave form just looking at it it would just it would be almost what would you say? Exponential Oh yeah it starts exponential and lately. It's it seems to be going up and down quite a bit of which I'm thankful for but It still you know. We're not out of the woods by any means I mean. Yeah here's the world deaths And here's the death of the United States. For example which as a lot of people in the World No has not had an exemplary a response to cove in nineteen bungled up. It's horrible actually. Hit and desktop me. Politicizing that just me analyzing but Yeah this is what it's like in the United States again When US Leyshon is ten deaths and I mean there's been three hundred seven thousand deaths in the world from this By at least so a and that's only been in like three months one hundred and thirty eight days. It's very relevant data. It's so morbid you know what I mean so I was just. I was contemplating what to say about that. Yeah I think what the I wanna get across with. This is that this is a very real threats People sometimes don't people recognize how much threat of virus can be because it does. It's not it's not like a bomb. People like instantly and showy way it just sneaks around in like you know kills people in hospitals and it's harder to see but this makes it really obvious yes we'll just say although that certainly morbid data it's very very important data to understand and that gives an audio representation of the increase in In Oscillations in some and we're just having to live in more times. Oh a sources data from our world data dot org slash corona virus dash source dash data without further. Ado We move onto the episode absolutely machines during the lifetime of anyone who is listening to this had advanced revolutionized the way that we live our lives. Many listening to this for example had lived through the rise. A smartphones three D. printing Bassett advancements in Lithium Ion batteries the Internet robotics and some have lived through the introduction of cable TV Color Television and computers as an appliance itself on medicine machinery. However since the beginning of time have one thing in common they make what we want to do easier one of the great tragedies of being imperfect entities however is that we make mistakes sometimes. Those mistakes can lead to war. Famine bloodfeuds miscalculation the punishment of the innocent and other terrible things. It has thus been the goal of many for very long time to come up with a system for not making mistakes in the first place a thinking machine or thinking system which help eliminate bias situations. Such fantastic machine is looking like it's becoming closer and closer to reality especially with the advancements in our visual intelligence. What are the origins of this fantasy. What attempts that people made over time encapsulated reason and what is ultimately possible with automated manipulation of meaning all this and more on this episode of breaking bath episode forty eight thinking machines for begins episode. We'd like a plug a few things. The first thing is of course. 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So what I've read The first article I read was from the I triple east spectrum. Actually spectrum is the flagship publication which includes both magazine and a website of the Institute for Electrical and electronic engineers. Now the the The paper that I read it was one of the Six part series of articles that includes information about the history of natural language processing. It was published between October. And December of two thousand nineteen. The link to the series will be provided in this show notes. I highly recommend this series. It was phenomenal. Covers such beliefs about written language from become mystics To a belief about about an alphabet of ideas and of all knowledge by Godfrey Leibnitz is. Well it's how Claude Shannon and Andrei Markov contributed to the first language generation models to chat bots it even talks about implications of personal privacy and interacting with chat bots as well as an An article on Microsoft's racist chat bots and finally description of an open. Ai Language production machine. It's a fabulous six part series. So be sure to to to check it out and on the southern we'll be discussing. Today will be kind of like the philosophical and mathematics an actually most people on mathematical underpinnings of the idea of automated computation. And I think in the next episode. We're going to talk about is ways in which This idea can be either realized or approximated. Correct now there. There's two things. There's two implications here. First of all we will be talking about an idea that I think most. I don't WanNa say most recently because I don't have data on that but most perhaps most prominently afforded by Godfrey Live Nets This idea that there can be a universal language where all knowledge can be basically computed kind of like a calculator and that includes you know under the umbrella of all knowledge the answer to any the answer to any argument that you know plain block and white facts or any innovation. He believed that that such an alphabet was possible and he believed it based on what he understood about combinatorial ex about symbols and the fact that in our current written alphabet any word can be expressed as a certain combination of twenty six letters fascinating idea. This is slightly different than the current idea in artificial intelligence and machine learning where the idea is to get a computer to think more like a human brain. It's not so much about some kind of a universal. You know perfect language. That is the beyond all of knowledge nonetheless. That idea was firmly believed in by Godfrey. Live knits and others. And that's of course with this episode is all about and also it speaks to a very long tradition starting with at least Euclid or Trying to understand the world in terms of a few sets of rules or a few symbols a few concepts you precepts things like. Yeah you know I I as I read about the this idea as I read the articles that are currently in in the notes for the episode. I sort of empathize. I understand the appeal to it. I mean you know You know like he There's a long tradition even back era. Stuttle that everything in the universe is made of a combination of certain elements? Of course aristotle's elements are not the elements. We recognize today but we still recognized all matter around us is made from the elements that we see on the periodic table in varying combinations. So yeah it's it. Is this idea that everything around us can be expressed you know with with some fundamental elements these symbols that are basically the atoms for everything so the mentioned that over the last Oh since you could time like there's been little Knicks and Like Like for example squaring the circle try sect in angle. Those were proven to be impossible with a EUCLIDIAN Construction straight edge of You know compass constructions and That was kind of an eighteen hundreds as we're all started tumbling down but that's a little foreshadowing shame. Yeah before we go further. Let's talk a little bit about. Who Was Godfrey? Julia Live Nats. He was a polymath. So how how? Would you describe what a polymath is? It's not necessarily having to do with. Math is just somebody who because math I think in Greek means something like Thinking or something like that or or like a bullet. I can't remember exactly what it means but it polymath means somebody who is like very very skilled very gifted in multiple areas. It's like it's like they're not just gonNa Mathur good at like Like a maybe like art in gymnastics and music or something. I got a renaissance person and live in. Its most certainly was a polymath. He was definitely renaissance man. He was a fantastic inventor now he was a contemporary of Isaac Newton and he is a co He was he is credited as being the CO inventor of Calculus lawyer with Isaac Newton. That has a huge huge effect. I believe I in my studies. I more often than not use libraries notation for Calculus and not Newton's so Hickson. Nuclear is only pretty much used in engineering. I in in certain contexts right the the X. above it me. Yes now that I think about it all of the calculus classes I took Cochran. Cocteau Calgary all of that used Likenesses notation the only newtonian notation. I used was in my Controls class goodness. Wow I want to remove the I remember the class. A I remember. I also know that live. Knits tried to put things in terms of limits a lot. More rigidly and stuff than Newton Newton so There's like a little bit of difference in their philosophy and They invented calculus within a year of one another and they argued about it. I believe to their dads or something. I don't actually know the other people did bud. Yeah so likenesses idea that we're talking about in this episode this this Universal Language. This actually has roots in his dissertation. Did a dissertation called on combinatorial. Art Okay so he was probably a Latin version of that but it it it meant on the on the combinatorial art when he was in Latin. Because this is a sixteen sixty six when he was twenty years old from sixteen. Forty six to seventeen sixteen. Okay Yeah Now. In this dissertation as well as in multiple later works he wrote about his belief that through the art of combinations or the combinatorial. Art This art would involve combining symbols of human ideas using certain rules and arrive at all knowledge and he said repeatedly that there would be no sense in having any argument whatsoever whenever two people would find themselves arguing whether they're geniuses or your average people of average intelligence. They're just stop and say let us calculate and they would use this combinatorial language and figure out In unambiguous black and white terms who was right exactly and no. That's a beautiful idea. I would. We duty acknowledge a little early on that Did that what blaming describing almost exactly a finite alphabet of symbols some rules that manipulate those symbols logically. He's describing an axiomatic system in a basically before they became popular in eighteen hundreds. He's very very ahead of his time. and It looks like he did this. War philosophically than Really really do any notation. Almost in the same way that Tom's acquaintances came up with a few calculus concepts before calculus kind of thing. No no I get what you're saying now before also before we continue as an interesting exercise for our listeners. As I read this I thought something's not right about this. You know one of the things to argue about this. Which we'll get into later is okay give me an example give me a couple of elemental symbols that you suggest you know are used and some rules to describe their relationships you know. Give me something something concrete that I can actually see what you're talking about and say. Oh Wow yeah that's brilliant you know But as you said the keyword here's axioms so you know before we talk about the limits of axioms which we've talked about many times on this show. I'm curious what our listener might think is wrong or problematic with lionesses idea at this time. So if you mentioned two axioms as an axiomatic system what might be wrong with it. Well as we've talked about on the show before there's the thing that we know about axiomatic systems those proven by Kurt Go Dell in the early twentieth century that Basically if an accident I'm is trying to represent like a logic if it's a complex enough to really To represent the operations of logic than the oxygen system will either be incomplete. Meaning that truth can be expressed within that system that cannot be proven within the system or it will be basically inconsistent meaning that there will be contradictions and inconsistent. Systems are essentially useless correct. Yes you so. You'll either have contradicting statements or you'll have Axioms that cannot be proven. Now it'd be proven but theorems because it is assumed to be true. Okay well very good very good. Yes great good to have proper definitions and proper pronunciations. It was printed. It was pointed out to us at one point from great fan of ours that we are maybe mispronouncing his name. Is Kurt girdle? Not Kurt go dell and that's a even though he I mean. He's at his girdle. I mean that's a little closer but I mean I mean it would actually be goodell like it's almost like it's like you make almost Shape but then you. It's kind of like you know the French like it's like one of those fouls that doesn't exist in English. Okay curdle. I-i'm there Kurt girdle like a turtle? I don't know I thought I it's not. It's it as you said. We're having difficulty having difficulty pronouncing that an another thing with learning other languages and dialects. It's better to learn when you're younger because it's so much harder to learn the correct pronunciation when you're older now Y- live nets was really stoked on this idea like he he would try to sell it to everybody you know. He thought that his language would be a way of discovering or producing new knowledge in new inventions. Simply through combining the fundamental symbols of the language the elements or letters according to certain rules live referred to his idea as the mother of all inventions. Which would lead to. And I'm quoting him. The discovery of all things. Now I do want to point out where I got those quotes from. You can find them on A. There's a couple of articles On Leibnitz one of my favorite articles. Actually the wikipedia page. Which was the information in? It was corroborated in every article. I read The wikipedia pages is called Oh goodness What's it called which I'm Gonna? I'm GONNA search the name of the we. The wikipedia pages called. Light characteristic characteristic. Saleh's which is again the name of of the idea put forth in his dissertation and that pages a thorough description of his idea as well as the problems of it so I highly suggest any interested readers to check. Check it out now. I WanNa talk a little bit more about live in his ideas unless feel. Would you like to read this bullet point? Well I mean yeah I So basically I think it's important to know is the sort of philosophical and mathematical environment. That Leibnitz was around though. Lead up to these ideas thought they'd be expressed as geometry and computed and That a machine can be built upon these principles. Cynthia Geometric Such any question input into it would be either true or false. It'd be a perfect truthmachine as we are discussed is impossible but and I want to bring something up really quick before we get any about that just because it's impossible for something to be a truth. Machine for all truth does not mean that is impossible for machine to be a truth machine for a great deal of truth. Incredible amount of truth like there's no limits to how much truth you can find using exotic system is just not ever going to be infinite. Super Perfection is impossible and in a way here. Here's a quick little point of argument here. Is that actually a good thing? Because that means that we will never have the full answer and there will always be reason to strive more for a better understanding so that could be a good thing and in fact you know it is a good thing specifically because like. I don't think we know the reason why we liked to know things yet. I don't think we know the evolutionary reason for that explicitly especially because Evolution is kind of confounded by mimetic evolution. But we'll probably bring that up on another episode where we go a little bit nuts. Yeah that's a fascinating topic. I think Richard Dawkins is most famous for his work on medic evolution in the gene has mentioned that that in it selfish gene is about how Dna existed in the interest of its own replication In that basically creatures are a byproduct of that interesting stuff so in the early days grammar and logic were considered very closely related subjects. Good Grammar the theory win meant that you'd be a logical thinker. Latin in fact was seen as the high standard of organized thought in Leibnitz himself as well as many others use Latin in their writing in this of course Co like it's a byproduct of a Roman colonialism. Basically right all right. In fact didn't they have Something called the in terms of education. A body of work called the trivial did and it was included. What was included in the in the trivial other tritium was what you would like a basic like your first year as a liberal arts like a student In the Middle Ages like like your core requisites you'd have to know grammar Which is considered a type of knowledge logic which is considered the mechanics of thought Which you know read needed grammar and rhetoric using logic and grant grammar to convince Oh basically grammar logic and rhetoric where the first things he studied and then The quad driven came around The cribs actually later in date than the Trivia and the named Quadra VM. Came before Trivia Of The quadrivalent was arithmetic geometry music and astronomy which are considered four. Different types of new number. Arithmetic was manipulating numbers themselves. Geometry was manipulating numbers in space. Music was representing midday numbers and time and astronomy was representing numbers space and time. Because I haven't been invented yet. Row Way described. That is is just beautiful. Like I've never heard that description but before it definitely has this elegance to it almost like the body of all knowledge as you are approaching you know divine knowledge. Almost at least you know I can see how one might think that. Oh Yeah I mean I mean it was not really until like the like eighteen. Hundreds really that people started thinking. Oh wait maybe logic is incomplete or maybe we can't just baby. We can't just coast on this idea. That will figure out everything you know. So so even things like music you know they can be represented in community in communicated symbolically that that's how we've got music notation so just like a language. There is a way of noting of of communicating music. And you know you any musician can write using standard music notation and give it to any other musician who understands that language and then they can play the same sheet of music so I just WanNa understand this appeal of this universal language. Yeah in music. Notation actually dates back to the time of the first Renaissance in Europe which is kind of between the eleven hundred and thirteen hundred. I basically right before like a first plague on by those guy call. There's this guy who is named Ramon you he Who is a philosopher legit and mystic And he was also a mathematician polymath philosopher in a Franciscan tertiary and He was from the Kingdom of Maiolica and thirteen centuries outright thirteenth fourteenth century. Yeah Yeah twelve to fifteen hundred thirteen. Which he came he came Far before live nets in fact live nets. I believe was very very much influenced by. I'm GonNa work on his pronunciation. Ramon you or can't you almost okay? So it's last name and again. Forgive me with my limited pronunciation. Ability here is last. Name is L. L. U. L. L. A. Lull it's you like it's the traditionally Spanish pronunciation of two els which is more like a y. Yeah it's like almost why basically? Yeah yes so. He had an idea that was very similar to live knits and was centuries before live nets so as you had said he was from the Kingdom of Majorca Majorca. Yeah could we add it that out? All of my. He doesn't my work because I know the some weird pronunciation changes in Majorca okay. So he was from the Kingdom of Yorker from the thirteenth fourteenth centuries as I said earlier and he had a desire to come up with a way of proving the truth of Christianity Again. Just like mathematical proof with irrefutable logic. Now this is also interest a lot of people at the time I believe that off of the rate of outcomes razor and Thomas Aquinas were from where Almost contemporaries of this person and they had very similar goals because Christianity was considered like assumed. It wasn't like anybody's arguing against it. They're like okay. This is here now. One yes and also with respect to who thought of the original idea. It's almost like everything's been done under the sun because in fact you was inspired from who came before him he was inspired by Jewish Kabbalah. Who used a system of combinatorial which used the Hebrew alphabets a certain combination to supposedly reveal divine knowledge? There is record in fact you can read about this in the papers from the I Tripoli spectrum a paper I think there are very first paper from back in October on this talks about Some Jewish Kabbalah. Who who believed that? If you played with letters it was possible to conjure a demon and there were rumors of Jewish Kabbalah to conjure a demon. Who would become a a house servant if they really understood what they were doing they were also stories of Jewish. Kabbalah did not understand what they were doing. It appears to me played with letters and and they conjure a a spirit or demon. Who would do horrible things so again? I want to thank the spectrum Publication for that information. That was very very interesting. So you know this whole idea of combining letters and coming up with things that this goes back a long ways now with Kind of a lot of modern CABELA's Do I like up there? They're the people who are like the Bible Code stuff Which is like basically a way like I mean. It's it's I mean statistically unsound stuff but it's it's kind of it's kind of an interesting I think to like look at it as a fascinating thing and also the movie. Pie By Dare not ski. Nineteen hundred five. I believe Has a lot of these actual a lot of these themes in it And of the whole Hebrew be used as a way to generate a truth and honesty. I think that that the other movie like it's kind of. Yeah I recommend it. It's a great movie now. In fact if you guys want to go down another rabbit hole you can as you said. Google search the Bible Code of there are two books in the Bible Code and they came out. I WanNa say in the last twenty years and that's exactly what it's about. It's about making computers. That supposedly decipher hidden information in the Bible are in the in the Bible. That's that's literally what the Bible Code is about. I recommend you read the you can read the wikipedia page on it. You can also read the criticisms of as well It's fast anybody gonNA use this whole idea of a perfect language and and hidden information and prophecy which was a very excellent idea and I mean oracle bones in China which is the origin of the Chinese language. Are doing this as well. Kind of the same thing as as strategy or reading tea leaves. It's looking for patterns in random information and sort of I wanNA say reading meaning into it in many cases so obviously we are not believers in this here full disclosure. We haven't defended anybody. Well that's not really true but you know we're just being chewed ourselves here. It's interesting stuff to look into it so I'm going to talk a little bit more about Ramon Yui so again. He set out to prove the truth of Christianity using a Taurus and logic and some kind of a perfect symbolic Alphabet he tried to create a tool to convert people to the Christian faith and he. He actually went so far as to propose eighteen fundamental general principles. Now I'm GonNa read these here in a second say that again. He had eighteen fundamental general principles. Kind of like how you know. We've got twenty six letters of the alphabet and also has a long kind of the same. Ren Franklin's thirteen for choose things like that. Yeah thirteen virtues or the seven deadly sins. So let's take a look at these eighteen fundamental general principles and think you know. Can we describe everything in our universe using these even if we don't think he certainly did the eighteen? Goodness greatness eternity. I'm GONNA go faster. Power Wisdom will virtue truth. Glory Difference Concordance. Contrary how's that different than difference? I don't know Beginning middle end majority equality and minority. Oh my goodness so I feel like if this were a game of dungeons and dragons and you were talking about people that would be the stats list. And you'd have a finite amount of points re of those stats. You know what I mean like. I don't know it's interesting I mean. Like how do you differentiate goodness from greatness from from power and also there's like the language barrier time barrier and like? Yes yes so again. He made a he made a concerted effort. I mean we even do that now with trying to you know got the laws of physics you know and and and the fundamental constants of the of the Universe. So we you know. We're all trying to do the same thing here so I really can't judge him on that one but but still it's. It's like you know with the Twentieth Century Understanding Twenty percents understanding. We certainly look at this and think. How could he do anything with it? But yeah had a table of opposites that used in a similar way too and I was the infinite and finite Auden even one in many right and left rest and motion straight and crooked light and darkness good and Evil Square and oblong so it was a very long intellectual tradition. Wow Yeah you're right you're right. In fact it even goes back to Euclid in the elements. Is that right? Oh yeah at least I mean yeah I think Even but yeah so Oh yes definitely definitely even before that. I think for some foreshadowing here you know again. Let's we've already talked about this. But it bears repeating what had go dell say about every and all system of axioms and attempts at describing everything. It doesn't work. Go Dell's incompleteness there. Any system that is sufficiently complex and can refer to itself will either have Statements that are that you cannot prove our true. Or You will have Contradicting statements. So you so you know. We're pretty much. Doomed to incorporate nece here yeah or we are always assured working method petitions. Yes always assured working. That's the optimistic way of looking at it. I like that I like that. Now Ramon you e- actually invented a machine called a VOE vel. I hope I'm pronouncing. That correctly was a circular paper mechanism. Made up of small concentric circles and circles were written the symbols that represented the various aspects of God interesting. So I'd like to see a picture of this device. I did not see any images or any diagrams of this. Find this anywhere. I tried looking for a while. I think I would have to probably the library. Find it yet. The only thing I'm thinking of is you know those little things you make an elementary school. Those little paper fortune tellers. I mean I'd say I saw a picture of a few of Ovalles' time and I mean they're like little little calculating things like you know little pieces of paper these slide over one another. It was cool. Is that they last a really long time. Because we still have these little like paper machines like the Medieval Times. Go now again there. Whatever we don't have a diagram of the actual device itself we do have some more descriptions and apparently You eat believed that by spinning the oval in certain ways he could bring the symbols into certain combinations and he Reveal aspects of God live. Nets was very very impressed by US paper machine and he proposed that such a system would require three things number one an alphabet of human thought. Which I think that Ramon you also believed in terms of the symbols at least so they're on the same wavelength with that Likeness also believed that he'd that we would need a list of logical rules for their valid combination and recombination and finally a mechanism that would carry out the logical operations on the symbols quickly and accurately basically like a modern day computer Or something that he would imagine would-be like a computer in his day. I mean I understand the desire to do this kind of thing. I mean I was like fifteen or so. I thought that it would be possible to come up with two base ideas and then use in the news like comparisons between them to create a any thoughts. So like I thought he'd be like you know like if like compares. It's like this. This is this is that is to that kind of thing. Oh commonalities there with live nets and with Roman. You're I think this speaks to the universal irresistibility of this idea. Yes yes spotify. As we're learning is pretty cool. 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This episode is all about an imaginary machine envisioned by Godfrey that live nets that could use symbols in permutations to come up with any creative idea or solve any human argument with perfect logic. Such an idea we now know is not actually possible however it certainly is possible to program a computer to function more like a human brain into teach itself. New thinks this is done through something. Called an artificial neural network to that end are wonderful partner. Brilliant has a course called introduction to neural networks. That will teach you the fundamentals of this amazing concept. I love this course. Covers such essential questions as you have to be living to be learning and why or neural networks needed. Or why is it that some things just cannot be programmed also? How does one create a neural network? How can one teach a computer to teach itself to support your education in math and computer science go to? Www dot brilliant dot org slash breaking math and sign up for free. The I two hundred breaking Meth listeners can get twenty percents off the annual subscription which we have been using and now that the episode Now as a quick aside. There's something that I'd like to mention real quick before we continue this episode. That doing right now is one that continues a theme in the breaking mouth. Podcast net is one that bridges the gap between mathematics which involves calculation and written and spoken language which involve both of these involve qualitative and quantitative factors and they both share the property that they both approximates some idea of truth. Reality such as mathematical truth or human thought and rules for manipulating those symbols. Like grammar both are ubiquitous. In the human experience we wish briefly mention some of the prior episodes in this podcast that have touched on the themes and in that that somehow overlap between mathematics and language Years ago three years ago we had an episode episode six called word. This episode was introduction to the field of linguistics itself and of the evolution of human language. It was pretty let on mouth but it did touch on the ways in which language can be analyzed and described using mathematics within had episode twenty. Four which is called language and entropy in this episode. We discussed a mathematical model of spoken language using concepts of Claude Shannon's communication and information theory. Which this month nineteen forty-six US at bell. Labs as right as right yes. This is a very recent thing very recently in fact and this model will be discussing. This episode uses these ideas. Things like noise and entropy in order to propose a mathematical model of spoken language between a sender and receiver. This episode was much more math heavy but it does get to some of the main tenants of information theory pretty quickly and accessibly so much as us and also I forgot Put an LA nudge spoken language. But also just a communication itself like how come you like eat like you could even be applied to the Internet this stuff. Yes yeah so. I really liked that paper that we talked about the the episode because it got to the rigorous mathematics of communication and you know used real real examples in a model language. So that's what we try to do. We've tried to describe Phenomenon in in real life with math and it's a doozy trying to do with language now. I must say this model language was very very small. Do you remember how many letters and how many words it had like under twenty right The upper which one for in in episode twenty four in language and entropy in paper it had a proposed very very small language that used as an example it. It had as I say no you has several of those I mean one language is just as a binary the symbols ones just binary. Yeah yeah so I mean I. It's very very hard to describe. Language itself Mathematically because there's so much cultural new Watson so much prior knowledge that you need so very hard to do but they about this kind of thing though is that you could you could literally measure like how many bits humans talk about you. Know per second and stuff like that and check out. The episode is pretty good one Yes yes absolutely so anyways back to live nets he was. He was interesting he. He thought very very highly of his little idea. You want to read one themselves. His peers he was. He was what we would call today. As a total classiest said nathe dignity of excellent men to waste their time and calculation when any peasant could do the work just as accurately with eight of a machine sells. I mean you could have said that differently but yeah. Total classes total classes. Wow everything now. Speaking of machines we we also have a couple of episodes on calculating machines Episode Four of breaking that podcast. It's called digital evolution. We actually talk about The evolution of computing hardware everything from the abacus to some ancient Greek Mechanisms of calculating era. We also had The pascaline which was You know it wasn't even powered by electricity. We just a little box with some cranks. And stuff subtracted yes. Yes and then we also get a little bit into Shannon Shannon's information theory and electronic computers. So we do talk a lot about the evolution of computing hardware and why it is what it is today. It is worth noting that live. Knits himself Designed some computing hardware. Even though he never designed a a language He didn't design what he was talking about. He did design a mathematical calculator. And I think it was called the stepped reckoner the actually talk about the episode for two but it was the first calculating machine it was built over a period of twenty two years from sixteen Ninety four to sixteen to sixteen seventy two so it would have been linked ackward. Are Those dates backwards? Oh yeah they must be because he did it backwards in time so sixteen seventy to sixteen ninety four. Yeah it cost them. Twenty four thousand dollar and a follower is is a pretty heavy little gold coin so he spent Basically a two thousand a little over two thousand dollars in today's money per day or sixty three thousand per year or eighteen point sixteen point eight million dollars on this project in today's money. That's based on craftsman's wages and grams of silver per day and a couple of other calculations We'll probably put those up on the facebooks Aida. That's a lot of money. A lot of money Put even conservatively estimating. It's at least nine million dollars like very. Wow but the machine he made with this like millions and millions of dollars is about the size of a desk and in subtracts multiplies divides at believe he may two of them. Yeah so this Leibnitz realized you know it can do for simple operations but took a very long time and got a little bit more sober. His later years Basically he wrote something basically saying that he knew it wouldn't be with his lifetime that hardware would exist to carry out his ideas and he's very right. I'm trying to computers. Wouldn't come about until the nineteen thirties or twenties with as much to learn the hard way which is oftentimes mall. Sometimes it's the best way I don I. I don't know but he certainly got a lot more cynical in his later years about his idea as a whole he may have still believed in it but He knew that would be a lot harder than he had envisioned originally now reading the Wikipedia page on his idea again the the. It's the wikipedia page titled Characteristic Universal. And I know I'm not pronouncing that correctly. I'm aware of that But that page includes a couple of drawings from live nets that that you know I m proposed. I WanNa say let a- letters or symbols in this alphabet that he was imagining These symbols are described them. They're available to see on the wikipedia page. The they're sort of like Coins or sort of like what do you call the the the symbol for like If a family has has a shield with symbols on it oh crest a crest yes exactly. It's very similar to a crest. What Aristotle had written are four crests for food for the four elements Earth Fire Water and air and You know there. There is a drawn symbol kind of like a hieroglyphic is well as words describing their relationship. Now you can't really do anything with it. There's no description of combinations or or you know. I mean like for now literally. It's essentially a crest. But this got me thinking that you know he tried to have information in a symbol and it got me thinking about Shannon's information theory so live nets was not aware of Shannon. He was you know three Hundred Years Before. Shannon and he. He didn't think about the ideas that Shannon was aware of like what is the the smallest unit of information. You know basically it's a it's a bit. It's a one or a zero. I do want to bring up though that you can. Technically transmits a part of a bit if you if you have one more than one symbol per okay. Like let's say if you have a system which is one zero one in two but because of the way the you're transmitting it you you represent each one with two characters. Zoellick zero could be a be a C or c a one could be BC B. A. or a B. and to see a sea or B. Basically you would get logged two of three half bits which is like zero point. Five eight five bits is what you'd be able to send with The symbol no matter. What so it just kind of an interesting inside. That bits can be divided and stuff like that. But you had to do little funny like that. Yeah okay interesting interesting. Yeah I guess what I was thinking about was looking at all of a symbols. I thought about what is the smallest was the smallest way to meaningfully communicate information and as you said it does get into bits but not only that you have to. You do have to have symbols four things which means that you have to know what those symbols stand for. You know what I mean. And and basically that's that's all of communication theories we have right now. So yeah because you didn't get self is something that really hasn't been described well by anyone even people. In computer science artificial intelligence are still coming up with in their infancy things were meaning representation. I'm cut started with stuff in the sixties list. But it's going very not slowly but it just something that you know we've never had a philosophical underpinning for yeah absolutely in the example that I gave If somebody's ends to be you know either a one or a two zero so since you've restricted it two out of three options you take the inverse of that which is three halves and you take log base two of that To a show the number of bits that you have and then to for the next bitch For the next symbol Because his resolving it you send the remaining zero point four one five or so. Bits am curious. Then how all this knowledge about information theory and bits howl all that would influence Leibnitz and his own design of his alphabet or would it. I don't know I guess you would. At least give them some like saw maybe a foothold on like to like really analyze language in stuff like that because he was just kind of going about blind. I mean he went to the four elements. He was that attack about it. Yeah and again. He was as wrong. Is it fair to say that that he was as wrong as aerostat about the elements themselves in the sense that the elements are certainly not the four that he thought they were and I mean I think that those are just like spill solvable elements that he meant like? I don't think he'd literally believed in the actually he might have used during the period. Where people still believed in that. You know you're right. It's very possible that he actually did believe any elements 'cause Newton news contemporary was an alchemist as well. Yeah that's right. I was aware of this. I wasn't aware of that Yup interesting. Yeah so one can have a very good grasp intuitively On on you know fundamental rules of physics at the same time be completely wrong when it comes to things like as you said earlier alchemy that are a little more complex and certainly down to the the physics. But they're still appealing you know like like It's it's fool's gold. It's this. Is this idea where you can still be wrong about things even if you understand the fundamentals very very well. Now we're GONNA talk about curt girdle whose work is essentially the KHUDA Gras. Which explains why. Why none of these systems of mathematics or communication will ever be complete by their nature. They are forever incomplete. We talk a lot about that on episode twenty two incomplete Which is about Goodell's your body which is a book. a chapter four of it But also we talk a lot about You know the incompleteness Theorem as published in nineteen. Thirty one himself lived from nineteen zero. Six nineteen seventy eight and We talked about already that it was it proves a that. Offer any sufficiently complex system There's GonNa either incomplete a meeting that I can't prove everything or it will be a inconsistent meaning that it will say contradictory things and basically be useless because if to contradict one another logically and they're in the system you could prove anything to be true or false no matter what it is correct. Yes and my thinking as I was reading about lioness's idea here. Is that this and of itself more than anything else should prove why it should. Why lionesses idea is forever. Impossible this I would have thought would have been the the best description if you were to have a conversation with live. Nets explained to him. Wise idea it wouldn't work I would start with. Go Dell's incompleteness there. Now I read something that absolutely blew my mind on the wikipedia page that I continuously talk about on the episode Again it's the page characteristic universal us the very bottom of it. There's a discussion on Kgo Dell and to my great surprise I found out that go dell was. In fact. A conspiracy theorist about this issue. He not only believed that live. Natsume idea would work but he also believed that academics and scholars the world over have had swept away likenesses notes on this idea because absolute power. Yeah because I mean he would find like compilations of live misses work and just because of some like weird like publishing quirks like like a lot of his talks about the characteristic universality removed and by the way up by by what I understand. Goodell did not Think that lives idea of everything. Being provable was possible but I know he did believe that's meaning representation was something that he had major handle on and that was being repressed by the the institutions at the time. Yeah he absolutely believed that this knowledge was being repressed by the institutions. This was wild so i. I'm very curious then I you know this is not what I thought what happens so when I I read this I was taken aback because I thought well do I not understand. Goodell's incompleteness Theorem as well as I thought I did or do I not understand what likeness was thinking does go Dell have an understanding about what life was trying to do that. I don't understand All of these questions went through my mind and I mental longtime. That's actually part of the reason why this episode has been delayed. I've been trying to figure out I've been trying to get a handle on what what so. So how many times have I said? Go Del old habits. Die Hard That's GonNa be fun to edit isn't it? Let's just keep all the pronunciations of Dell on there my my apologies Kurt girdle. Oh I mean I mean technically if I if the way that the vowels pronounces if you make an eh sound but then you round out your lips without changing the position of your tongue that That the bowel. So it's like a good good. Yeah it's hard to do. I'm going after really work on. That brought one though. Is that it. Yeah you go and then like like Slowly up slowly rounder lips without moving your tongue or teeth okay. Interesting yeah good good exercise. I will get it yet. I just know episode. I've said Goodell so many times. It's not even funny. Say Guy it'll guy. Yeah Yeah okay good so I just found that interesting and it made me wonder if I didn't if Kurt girdle understood something or good. If Kurt girdle that's the Best I can do? If he understood something about lionesses ideas that I did not understand you know what I mean because he really believed that that there was something more substantial created. I don't know yeah and also like I mean there is a very interesting those level difference between representation of truth and representation of meaning I know that that Yeah Goodell I mean he definitely would have been thinking a lot about that with this especially because he was a very Adamant with like Hilbert Hilbert had a similar idea. He wanted to make a game. He called it the math game or something like that. Which would basically be an automated process for solving everything eventually. And those something that Goodell kept. Disproving Yeah Wow so. This is an interesting point in podcast. We had mentioned this previously. But up until this point we've been talking about this idea of a universal language which through through various combinations horrex of some symbols as well as a set of rules all knowledge could be arrived at. We've also talked about some of the problems with that and why it is to the best of our knowledge pure fantasy in fact. I'm quite confident. Saying it is pure fantasy. Now there are some things that do exist. And we like to talk about those Things like chat bots which although they are not a perfect universal language they are something that are built to try to approximate the human language. A noble and puzzling endeavor into itself. Yes and Yeah they that's moving and we're going to talk about that next time is like how has computing and things like that really tried to realize these ancient Desires to automate thoughts. How have they drawn upon? You know Leibnitz and all the people before them you know. How's that changed the Work House? Itunes the environment that creates the work CETERA. And that's definitely two separate questions. The first question being can you make can a perfect universal language be made or can cannon machine be made to think and act like a human two different questions and there is not a solid answer to either one of them but again. There is the materialist assumption of well. If we are just machines fundamentally and I realized that is the material material selection. But that would say logically. One would think it's possible to make a machine to act like we do. That is a question that we continue that the human race or sorry that the that humankind continues to chase after although the ideal example of a perfectly thinking machine is something that has been proven to be fantasy. The fact remains that humans are thinking machines themselves so imperfect problem-solver or thinking machine cannot then by the same argument necessarily disallowed and research. Over the past seventy years in artificial intelligence has revealed the complexity of this processes along with a dazzling array of techniques to go along with them all this and more on the next episode a breaking math. I'm so via and I'm Gabriel and this has been breaking. Matha we're again. We're HTTP CONE SLASH BREAKING PODCASTONE. App. You don't have to but which make sure you don't a www and you'll be good all right. It's been of fun. I'm glad to be back. Oh yes same I'm so glad Everything is like a covert threw me for a loop a lot of turbulence and how I organized stuff but back online.

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3237: Problem Child w/ Gilbert Gottfried

Keith and the Girl Comedy Talk Show

51:30 min | 1 year ago

3237: Problem Child w/ Gilbert Gottfried

"Welcome to Keith. And the girl. I'm Keith Malley and the People Love Matt Minute at a time so glad what is it. It's a program helps turn negative patterns into positive habits by simply giving one minute of your Dane changing your life people. Love Your Your Voice. It's calming they say. It's reassuring me guided meditation Gave him the girl dot com slash? Vip I love it and I think it will change your life not to be overly dramatic speaking of soothing voices. You'RE GONNA love today's guest okay. Kids know him as the parrot in Aladdin Japan. Those him as a big asshole documentary. You mentioned this last time zone. It's called Gilbert in it is it is honestly fantastic a host of Gilbert Godfrey. It's amazing colossal. Podcast just celebrated episode three Hundred Gilbert Godfrey. Hey to see and you just came in your water all over me very excited that you're here. Yeah Yeah I'm flattered. He pretty cool as the water. Got Mirror narratives eletronics. That was pretty amazing. Cold water on your bullets and you just kept talk. I kept going. Yeah like it was nothing. That was very professionally. I'm very impressed now. Doing a double where. He's writing the blanket in between his bolts and Nash Diaper. Yes yes how are you? Yeah show other than that. Our you tell us about this new movie you made your. It's a podcast it'll be fun. Show will be on Netflix. I God it is so called in my balls Gilbert I can't go over all his credits of course but here's just a few more celebrity cook off. Celebrity Paranormal Project Celebrity Apprentice Celebrity Wife Swap Gilbert. Have you ever seen a ghost? And he goes. No we'll pay. Yes Jit yeah. I'm a regular six cents originally. When when I was on that one celebrity this about like a thousand different celebrity. Go shows really yeah? There's some that speaking first person they wanted me to do that. And I said I'll make something up want me to. And how would that go Gilbert sees ago? I said to them because they would do a thing where the celebrity said would go and I was I was sleeping in bed. And then and then they have an actor. Play that actor sleeping in bed so I said to them. One of them called me. I said I'll do a story about me as a little boy seeing a ghost and I said but I but I won a black actor to play me and up. Lash Brag why not. Yeah and I want like a blonde with really giant. Tuat to be my mother coming into wonder why scream? We'll color was the mall. Yeah well she was blonde sir. All America okay. She'd be like a- Pam and then they go away you making the so tough. It's unbelievable as it is. Yeah Oh but I did. I did one celebrity one and I think what's in Long Island Long Island and it was in a an abandoned insane asylum. That's where it goes star and this was a goes through DC. Yeah it was a dead serial killer who of course is roaming and they finished with these backpacks like well one thing. There was a thermometer because if one part of the room is slightly cooler or warmer than that signs. Because you know there's central air what goes up in insane asylums known air temperature control one of the celebs was straight. See Lord okay the porn star. Yes and they did a thing where it's like you know how in Ghost in order to make contact with the ghosts. The Ghost Hashtag be in a host body right so like it had to be in Whoopie Goldberg. And and so we're all standing around a candle and Tracy Lord is chanting police. Come in me. Please come in me. Come in me now. I thought this sounds very weller. Very interesting she starts jacking on. We just celebrated Valentine's Day and I'm sure you get all excited about it. You seem like a romantic right. I saw your wife posted Dera on Valentine's Day a car that you gave and it's a blend card you wrote in it. Yeah and how do I describe Gilbert's rating? It's like you would picture it could Gilbert. That's is right dear Dera. This is a blend card. There's nothing personal witty about it but it costs fifty nine cents exclamation point. You're bragging yes. I was excited. I also picked up two rolls of toilet paper which you might not think is romantic but remember. You can't wipe your ass with diamond ring happy. Valentine's Day Love Gilbert J. How sweet but and it's true that he remembered a card. Yeah I got hearings like an asshole. Yeah my girlfriend's ass is so itchy but totally wrong. Are you romantic got on? I don't think so I. I sent her another Valentine's Day Card or anniversary. They she shows it in the documentary. Elbert where I said Dare dare go fuck yourself. Five hundred times took took the time. Yeah yeah that's it no matter how long you've been together you gotta keep spicy right it. Has You have two kids right. Yeah they're about twelve years old Ten and twelve the girlfriend. I'm seeing now. We're going on two years. But she has three kids. And you don't want to think about it. The math does not add up three kids the youngest that I feel like I know the most is twelve and boy. These kids should do play themselves. Like I saw a text from the twelve year. Old saying mom. You're at key's. If you WanNa stay longer you could. Everything's fine at home. Oh okay to go get an Uber. Right now then. Of course the been. Jeez you ever. Do you ever catch the kids lying and be like this is the most offensive part. Not that you'd like to your dad but you did it so dumb. Yeah Hang. I've had a couple of times but never that like one guy told me that his daughter like he had a bottle of vodka. I think in the in the freezer okay and his daughter would drink out of a would drink the vodka and then fill it with water and then he said like Fat Guy Guest doesn't free right and so like all of a sudden it would be total ice the bottle and you said you know so. She didn't understand science and that's how he found out she was lying. You're right then. That's you need a mental health. I would see that I'd see that instead of thinking. All my kids are drunk. I know you armley kid though Andrea Andrea Allan writing in saying she one hundred percent in the Freezer. Holy Show right. Is that why they took you out of Canada? Get the fuck out of this country old. Were you when you're drinking that much eight. That's a sign okay. We all just died before we go any further. Yes I just had some. I need new underwear. Thank you for saying yes I. I just had LASAGNA and I realized something. I should've I should've discussed this before. Had Is there anything like cake or cookies or chocolate? We'll give you like well. He just recorded only New York Tracy and Andrea that lasagna's made by in scrapped by scratch. Scratch from scratch by Tracy Coronado but so that was the lunch after this. You'll have desserts. Good yeah you gotta get goodbye. I got desert today. Won't they won't be a radio show when by the way the LASAGNA? Did you offer it to Gilbert or did you leave it out so he can steal it? This is how we got half. That's half the fun when they give it to you. It's like what are we doing? Yeah I asked Gilbert to come on. And he's in Queens and I'm like lasagna period over there's a flower shop in New Zealand that if you blew Valentine's Day they're willing to take the blame that they messed up on the gift that excellent what I love when you said when you if you blew vowel presser. You'd be really tired out million tired this is. It's so bad that my first response is like wow. That's so smart. Definitely lie and get other people in on it. It's like a Sitcom you ever noticed that sitcoms and I don't know what they are now but especially like in the eighties nineties. It's just a family strategically lying to each other and then apologizing yes right. It's just like hey I was with this woman and I guess I Shoulda told you because I love you so it in the music comes in like I'll never lie to you again except for next episode. Anyway I'm a piece of shit and I I love how all of those whether it's a sitcom or romantic comedy in theaters. It's based on lies and deception and later and at the end they say you know. I don't mind that You know you cheated or you. Murder than Murdered someone but you lied to me and I you know now you'd be angry at all the shoe not also remember when when as a romantic gesture the fuck up would get their act together in a couple of one montage a couple of scenes and then they would interrupt the most important meeting of that woman's career yes and she'd be like. Oh my God. Excuse me colleagues and bosses. Maybe I'm the boss. Whatever but this is the most dramatic thing. Can you imagine that happened in real life if you like your stocker and this is the most important moment? Yeah my career and you decided. Flowers was a good time right now. Here's his another thing. That pisses me off is go down a list. He's he's when the wife is angry at the husband because he's got a billion dollar business deal that he has to do rather than go to a violin recital or are there there. There got baseball game at the school. Absolutely I also wonder like it same with the baseball game. The MOM is at the baseball game and the kid keeps looking out for his dad. And all my dude. There's a whole adult human being here for your fucking stupid Ask What are you? GonNa do today. Yeah for Your Dad. That's at work so you can play for your baseball glove. Why does everybody have to be here for you? Imagine he blows the big meaning but the kid blows the game. And it's like whenever I see that I think well why can't they just writing the script? The husband go. Hey who's paying for this fucking house right? You know I get every single one podcast. Cancel just off. You know. There's not one meal that's being bought in this House from fucking baseball game or a recital. Fuck you WANNA walk out with the goddamn kid do it. I'm paying for a roof over that. Do you go to movies. The movie theaters should know something. That's what that depresses me to. No one Muluzi's what movies are thing of the past jet. It's like movie theaters are closing and it's like all like now. I mean I don't even know what's playing in theaters anymore and cited USA beat. I remember at times. It used to be like you'd go to the movies. You wouldn't even have a movie that you're interested in seeing but you're let's go to the movies then you'd open up the newspaper and go. This one seems and but now movie theaters. I I mean a nowadays. I picture people talking and go. Hey you know they used to have places that you went to to watch a movie. I read that work and that. That's so depressing. I'll recommend the movie for you. Okay Joe Joe Rabbit all okay. The hit anything to do with it learn. That was a bad time. I learned yet heavy but I do think that it didn't win. Best picture because it was a comedy and I don't think comedy's always hundred comedies. Don't win comedy performances. Don't win diva go to one of those award shows for movies because you've been in a lot of Shit I shine. Route of her problem. Child was like great. I've been in total. I I was in Funky Monkey. That was a movie about a spy. Monkey funky monkey and now the star was Mathew Modine and one review. I saw if it was a one line review it said Matthew Modine one starred in a Stanley Kubrick. So you did go to award shows on now. I've never been to the academy now. Oh I was banned from the enemies because guess I wish I wish invited to be a presenter and they should just have fun but boy they say the data line style still. They said if they don't mean and it was right around the time while it was in the news. Was that viewing Herman was. Why can often? I can tell you with theaters. Are One sure he could. And you know Hughes you wish why can it? In a porn theater got arrested. I so I went up on stage and I said I really sleep. Better knowing peewee. Herman SPIN LOCKED UP IF MASHED CRIME. I should be on death row and I said how do they know you're masturbating to they? Dust for prints and I said right now. My right hand is like Superman. I could take a piece of coal and crush it into a diamond. Then they cut to commercial they come back and you say and then I you know it's funny when I got off stage like when I got there before anything the reporters none of them were talking to me. It was like in our waiting for the important people and then all of a sudden more and more reporters then wanted to talk to me like they knew it was a news item and then I found out later. They canceled it on the West Coast. And I heard they put in a delay after that which I'm very proud of you change. Tv Yes yeah. Yes and reprimanded. I'll show they are right out. The producer of it said You know he he. He saw me now. And and someone Kay Gardella said. It was a sneak attack on the American public. Okay and then. He threatened to kill yes. Yes Steve Steve. So you start cracking up. Yeah of course. Should we put together a fight now for charity? This is not crass if you say charity and then like months after that a Jerry Seinfeld. He's practically clearing up at the Academy Awards because they did a masturbation episode on Seinfeld right and I was like look. Well you gotTa do it as a character. Yeah even if it's Seinfeld yes you got to do with the fake those sound fun. The emmys shame you blew it and other award ceremonies back then would give gift bags. I'll free. Shall I fucked it up there too? That's what I meant. I meant to give and what was great about it. After the show the other presenter on it was Sam Kinison and he saw me and was cracking up because he said everybody was worried about what he would say always worried about what I would say. He thought that was fun. You showed them you're on. Snl from between one thousand nine hundred eighty nine thousand nine hundred fine season to be you were talking about thirteen episodes. Yeah that's about right Did you enjoy it horrible? They talk about how stressful it is. You have to rate your own anything to be on. Yes you all of that drew and when back then to put it was a new cast for Saturday night live and now now that you know when was the last time you knew? Who's on Saturday night live? It's it changes from Mike who can keep yeah between commercial break. Beginning comes on after each commercial break and but back then it was like if in the middle of Beatle Mania they John Paul George Ringo. Left ain't got four guys or if when friends was the number one show you had a whole new cash and it's like that's what it was looked. It was sacrilege. People were writing about that and writing angry articles about it even before it Airton. I mean they they were saying like and I. I don't mind if they want to attack the show but know what you're talking about it because they would say hey. We don't know who any of these people are. And it's like they forget. No one knew who the fuck John Belushi Bill Murray and Chevy Chase swore you'd have you seen by the way the The they'll put the What do you call? When the tryouts online you can find them on Youtube and you see you know the cast. Now they're nervous. They're doing their best. If you see Chevy Chase and these guys when they tried out there like what is this fine? Here's the fucking news. I don't know if I want to do it. Oh yeah a chip on their shoulder when when you were out of there was A. Did you feel less stress? Regard Eight was I I. It was so weird is when I was so dishing four it I addition the few times and I would go there and do whatever and I didn't feel nervous on. I didn't feel incompetent. Totally unrealistic viewpoint was getting me Syria. I wasn't trying to be unrealistic. Oh just like and then then when they said they were very hired you I was aright and then when they fired me the only thing I thought of I didn't mind being fired fired. I think I got fired enough. You other people or fighting this show student terribly. They just kept. They kept Joe Piscopo in any Murphy and the firing is a great story because by the name your name your famous s no characters. Exactly I well one time. I was dead body and coughing all right because that's how much the the writers hated me and I it out but I fire did get out okay. I when we're still on the show. I remember. There was some empty office that they were out to lunch. And I went in there with Eddie Murphy and we were sitting around talking and then somebody who worked at Saturday night sticks his head and he goes Eddie. Stone so from NBC. Would like to talk to you now. It's thought what the hell and Ediachra picks up the phone and he goes. Yeah Yeah Oh Shit Yeah No. I won't tell anybody and then before the phones even back up. He says they just fire. Gene Dominion who was the producer and does any Murphy telling you yes and then she has to of course announced to us a week later to tell us that she's been fired and by then everybody knew so it was like being at like a surprise party that you know you gotta go on me and so the people start hidings because if they can't tell you you're fired you legalese. Having a yeah. It's like so she's like they're you know. Some people are crying and she tells us she's fire wheel had to all and that's good acting. Yes that's the best I can guide. And that's why and then and then. After she announces US fight it turns out. She made that announcement and it was her birthday that day. And to make it more of a Fellini Film Right. She does that announces. She's fired door. Open up with a cake with candles. Happy Birthday to you at and then and you love cake will wake. Yeah I mean I should feel bad minds the Vijaya and then they bring in Dick Ebersol few days later and Dick Ebersol says. Oh well you know. I'm going to be the new producer and I'm just going to make some minor changes in their nothing much and so I'll take a week off and then come back and so we take a week off. We come back and then we're all waiting one by one to go in his office and find out what's going to happen and some people coming out crying. Some are real happy. I'm waiting and why wait a morale? Yeah Oh yeah while I'm waiting. There's a table layer back when people still used to write letters. The you know when they were a table of fan letters and so I figure I'll go over. See if there's any fan letters for me and I go pick one up from some girl from Omaha. Wherever on Ho high tilts ulcer being compared. Yeah No yeah and non Jew state accurate this is. I can't go and this girl. She's like fifteen years old. Or whatever says all Gilbert. I'm so sorry about what happened to you. So she knew fired before. I did. Thank wonder if it was planted. Looks through everything he'll find it? He'll know he's fired cake next to it. I can't believe there's a car outside ready to take you home letter. I'm reading that Pete Davidson. He's the popular one on. Snl right yeah he. He's so Pete Davidson so far. Has Iran grandy Arianna `Grande N? Him Cindy Crawford's young lookalike daughter. Does she has a daughter who looks just like her. She's like in her teens. Show I I don't feel too bad for this guy. This might change everything luke. Because he's thinking about leaving. Snl He says he hasn't left. I'm literally you know what he does. All these other projects and I guess they let them do it because people like them. I like them on there. And then you only see them once every so often. I also just thought he was in and out of Rehab so much I did too. I did too comes back. Oh you were getting a new tattoo on your face. I'm literally painted out to be this big dumb idiot. He says a first of all he writes his characters right rates that right one of his characters he's he just goes and Jennifer Lopez is like. You're so sexy. I don't know what it is that makes me attracted you next thing you know. They're a family with kids. You wrote that though you know after He was recently transformed into a drag queen by rupaul. The comics worried that the joke is on him. He said in an interview with Charlemagne the God. I personally think I should be done with that. Because they're making fun of me. They think I'm fucking dumb. A weird feeling in the building where I don't know if they're If I'm the joke or if the joke is on me of the joke is just the Joe. I think a lot of COMEDIANS. Start going through this especially when they get bigger yet but I feel like it's a stop taking things personally thing. They are comedians. Like people or people on on comedy shows who play the dummy. They get upset that people go. They look at me as a dummy right like he writes his own mom law. Those are always the that he acts like. He's done whether he's dumb or not the funny so I guess he's not dumb but that's the joke. You are the slacker. You are into way too much. We'd which reminds me of an old joke Polish. Kosh has to his friends he he says to his friend he goes on a train and it was facing in the opposite direction. So I was driving. I was riding backwards the whole time. I hated it and the friend said. Why don't you ask someone to switch seats with you? And the Polish guy goes. I was the only one on the train. They can't catch a break. In twenty twenty these portfolios people hated when it became politically correct so they stopped doing Polish jokes but they said Blonde Blonde was I and I thought each one of these was supposed Joe Wright and just changing it to a bond now more people are offended. Yeah Yeah it's Yeah. It could be a lot of racist. Snl Star has been you think Eddie. Murphy's like Gumby Gumby about it. He's been in angry birds movie to. He's been in the Motley crue movie on their flicks train wreck and there's something else is coming up. Davidson had a suicide scare in two thousand eighteen. Anytime he takes time off. It seems that the cast supposedly is upset. That hopefully not the suicide scare. But when every takes breakthrough like. This is very abnormal. Dec- get to come and go as he pleases. Which by the way if you're on that show don't you want everybody to come and go bother? You don't think it's fair. He seems very upset. Like yeah there's some troubles he can't get past the Young run so in the public eye and comic and I and after the area Gandhi thing that you know he just got engaged and got called off and it was all very public. I mean there's a lot of stuff that he has to do that. If you're a regular person you'd be going through it and it might if my fuck with my head though if I'm dating somebody. They dumped me and then they put out a song called. Thank you next. And they happen to be the number one superstar in the world that could make it a little shop. It adjust when I'm going to work in that's public to yes. Yeah I see I would like to fuck Taylor swift just so she dried assume right now in the lead me. I started playing. I go see see. That's about me. I see this article from this place is called Mono- Giza Dot Com and they talk about staff members that talk about celebrities ridiculous behavior and I pulled a couple of these. Indiana guerande really does like to be carried around everywhere so staff I duNNo. She's gained yourself. Reputation of being quite the diva and our own employees have confirmed that she likes to be pampered. Like a princess by the singer denies that she demands her staff to carry her around everywhere. There are photos of her being carried by her bodyguards tour manager friends and boyfriends and quite a few occasions you know who hated being carried around and he was carried around at a lot and that was a i. I say it's name every day in my fucking out. How Gary Coleman? Oh Yeah Gary Coleman you know. He's on that show. He's like in his forties. Righty but he looks like he's three different strokes right. Yeah and so they used to go. Okay let's get to set five and someone would. They would throw on their shoulders and carry him. Like horsey style jumped up and down up and down here. Yeah and it's here's a middle aged man with kidney disorder and this wasn't fun wow he didn't enjoy at least they weren't calling him. Blonde Lady Gaga does not like to be alone especially she doesn't like to sleep alone assistance sleep with her in bed so that she has company. How good wants us? It's not a bad job you can get it. Yeah I'll have to use that next time. I'm just miss you baby. Yeah I JUST MISS. I just hate sleeping by myself. I'm a sensitive artist. Kind of weird. Explain that to your friend. My sister sleeps with me. Sweetheart t me to come home for a little while she's talking to you. You're the assistance. She's talking to you. But she's laying in bed and she starts nodding off and you slowly get up from talking to her. Sitting up and Ben Shapiro. None give to snuggle. She likes ugly. It's awkward who do I put my hand? Then when when it's numb can I pull it away? How do I get braces? Good cuddling downs kind of. Hr's in these. How do I explain my job? Alicia Silverstone She likes to chew up food. I heard about the and put it in her daughter's mouth. Yes spits it in my daughter's mouth. I usually pay extra for that right now. You're a big celebrity of any quirks like this can get away with. Yeah I should have more. I don't have any real. You make your kids like dogs from well I do right. But you know the funny thing I forget the group but it was like for years looked upon the symbol of wacky and spoil does celeb- and the wacky things in their wider. And then then it turned out to be an actual may total sent. I forget what rock group it was that actually did demand like like five thousand. Eminem's know green ones at the green ones had to be taken out and then like we want like You know toy cars from this company and it has to be all this year car and it was sacked for years was looked upon all these assholes and it turns out. They had a really intricate state. Show with flames and everything. So if everything wasn't run perfectly they could have a disaster and so if they walked into the dressing room and there were green. Eminem say new. People weren't paying attention the rider and the the the explosions can go really. Right Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah reading just the fun little story and Israeli intelligence officer panic boy saying that was Halen. He's listening to live on. An Israeli intelligence official was dismissed from the army for ordering agents to by Palestinian Tahini. You can't be doing that. You gotta stay on your side. Yeah so good over here. Oilman the officer a lieutenant colonel twice dispatched agents to a West Bank village. The purchase the sesame paste the problem is he didn't ask for permission. I don't think you'd get it later. Tried to cover up the unauthorized shopping trips each was on. We'll review eight eight and you have to clean. I don't know what you're doing philosophy leading. What are you GonNa do the Homelessness? Sivy good right and go get it. Don't call it early salad. Say Palestinian right. Yes by the way. Everybody's dropping glasses in this reveals good and you realize when you said that story. Everyone listening was saying uh typical job. I had a dream last night that I was. I haven't had these dreams for the longest time that was back in the army alley right and so you Dan. Finishing I wasn't a rate army uniforms but this guy had some kind of patch that I didn't recognize him when I woke up realized there's no rank that looks like that I go. I said hi or something. He goes high. What and I know supposed to say by hikers colonel or something but I didn't know what his rank was and I'm just like Oh hi Lo and he goes you don't know what my rank and then it hit me. I'm like no I'm an adult. I have my own podcast. It's a business. I am not in the army. I know it and it was so freaky because a so aware of it that I just turn my head in this dream world and I go kate. Wake up wake up and couldn't wake up and then I go fuck. I'm really back in the army all G and then he got that haircut so yes very strange. He woke up woke up. There was out and then eventually my eyes just popped open us. I call thank God. What do you do you ever Rio graduate? I'm Keith Wakes up in grateful I do want to be here right on the on the arm. And how do you have recurring dream like that or anything? For actually had reoccurring dream. I had his career is attorney. Yes I have had those things that happen injury like way you try to yell and no sound this coming out of the trial and I had dreams like Oh the dream where you're walking naked or in your underwear out in public. You know. I remember when they used to have when I was a kid even as a kid I knew this was bullshit. They would have these books that would define you know that you could look up. What every everything in your dream meant which was said the ad hoc and bullshit. Because it's like if you see a dog that means you're happy well. What if you bitten by a dog once and adult sites scare? You so wouldn't be say. Do you ever get angry for for fun or anything like that. Have you ever gone to a terror card reader? Anything like this because I I don't think he'd be able to hold it in your discuss. Yeah I I yeah. I once went to one because it was free right. Knew somebody who knew them as a bag. Yeah and it was such of course such bullshit once. I was on a date and she was still in the restaurant and I snuck like around the corner at this attire card reader. And I said I'M GONNA come with this date. You bring up this fact and this fact and this fact things about each other and then we left in. We're like oh it's just fuck around and go here for a second. And so she was on a Sitcom right off and she said at the end in NYC defended me. You Lie yes. I don't mind that you stay both my parents but you lied to me right. There's room to hate al of their. Here's another fun story at ten year. Old Russian boy impregnated a thirteen year old girl and one of the youngest ever known cases of fatherhood. Oh boy man even for me. That's discussed do you get nervous about the you know all quarter. Yeah you yeah. Had A sex talk with them yet. I know. Never no no. That's that's going to be a scary because I have to learn about. I don't even know how these kids were. That's scary stuff. I wonder what you have to say now because before you had to literally give all the information because I when I wanted to know what sex was. I actually had to ask my parents. I can google it so you really have to be like. I want to know where this happens. And then they handed me a book while my mom did and I was like. Oh this is what you people did. I wonder we have to tell people now. You know what what gets me is like. Tv Forget it TV. If I would get a hard on if I saw girls ankles back then you know the you couldn't see anything. Well you borough park for. Well yes sick and and they. It's like I remember going with this. Kid He led me who lived in an apartment building. We went upstairs and underneath a bunch of old paint cans and garbage. He dug underneath where he hit. He had found a playboy magazine. And we were looking at that darken. The smell up pixel around and this was and now I n Kid I you know. Us five-year-old you say again. Where where can I find some good porn and they'll take out their phone and make it does seem? I don't want to sound like an old man but yeah I do find it very strange but I guess it's not like the all of a sudden it's there for them. They grew up with. It's there and maybe it's not so taboo where it was even more weirder for us because you found in the woods or growing in tests. I'll yeah was. It started off secret and then ended in secret. And then you've got to put the secret back in the woods. It's just too much. Give it back to the woods guy so I remember. I was little this other little boy said to me and luckily even with Miley total lack of knowledge about anything sex or anything female even I knew this was bullshit this other little boy. My Age says no girls p out of their ashes. I can't even. You can't even look that up. Should I keep telling people? Yeah and I thought even even then even then my lack of knowledge about the entire Earth I thought no this is Bullshit Barros also listening and watching on twitch We're live our schedules on keeping the goal dot com slash calendar and. She sang we said of Medical Encyclopedias. I learned about sex from clinical terms and sexy anatomical pictures and fucking freak now so she was probably looking at syphilis infected. Who's the disciplinarian in your Fam- definitely the wife? Yeah definitely say to you. It's not fair you're acting like a child like and I gotTa Take Care Of. Yes yes absolutely and a couple of times. The kids have said Your Main Daddy's Nice I pay for this House. Bits while she's like. Hey come on guys you. You can't be one of the kids and you have to clean up. He just knocks over Milken Goes I. I guess I can't say I'm a kid at heart meetings or anything like this I if I can avoid them I do not even paying attention right. What school they go to if you had the site. Yes that's a couple of times I I can't tell you. What Gorge there right. Yeah but you know no one of those parents act weird around you because you are a very notable celebrity. I yeah it is. It is weird. Oh my one of my favorite. Is that when my son was going to preschool? We met with the teacher and the teacher said well. He doesn't pay attention and He's always trying crack. Joe Do you did you go. It's your problem exactly and I thought Oh. Well I'm going to have to really beat him for that and then the teacher said she asked him. Where did you learn how to be funny? And he said for my daddy and she said Oh your daddy's funny and he said well he's funny at home not at work. 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276. James Burrows

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276. James Burrows

"Hi I'm Nick Nick Turner and we are the House of get rich nick but this podcast we are out there in the world trying every get rich quick scheme to tell you guys which which ones actually work and which ones are worth attack like donating plasma online poker task grab it writing books. We're walking dogs on rover. We're hijacking a a truck going southbound in Tijuana. No one's going anywhere until we get what we want. Get Rich. Nick is out now listening stitcher apple podcasts or wherever you get your your podcast. This is Gilbert Godfrey. You WanNA personal lights video from me. A personal life shout <music> out. Who would you know just anything like High Birthday Happy Anniversary Greg Jauregui. Hey you never wanna talk to you again. GO DO CAMEO DOT COM Slash Gilbert Godfrey. I know so a lot of you would like to Slides Gilbert Godfrey cameo dot com for a personalized video breeding. I'm Jackie the joke man marling. I've had the exquisite pleasure of once again being on Gilbert Godfrey. It's amazing colossal podcasts with the Wonderful Gilbert Godfrey and the equally amazing Frank Senta Padre <music>. Hi This is Gilbert Godfrey Niches this Gilbert Godfrey Damazin colossal podcast. I'm here with my co hosts Frank Santo Padre and our engineer Frankford Orosa. Oh south our guest. This week is a producer occasional actor and one of the most prolific accomplished ended Meyer directors in the history of popular entertainment. He's directed thousands of hours of primetime television on landmark in March shows such as double Mary Tyler Moore show dubbed Bob Newhart show taxi frazier friends friends the Big Bang theory will and grace and of course I show he owed so co created shears ears are usually known as stopped pilot whisper he's old so directed the pilot for hate series he's like two and a half men caroline in the city Dharma and Greg Dear John Veronica's it's a closet Mike and Molly and two broke girls along the way he's one eight Primetime Emmys five five directors guild awards and received life achieve been donner's from both DGA and the television critics association and in Two Thousand Sixteen he was honored with the prime time NBC NBC special entitled. Must See TV on Old Star tribute to James Boroughs. It was in a long and very successful career. He's worked with and directed everyone from John cleves leads to betty white from Tony Randall to Sydney folic and Elton John. Do Andy Coffman while he's he's also worked with many of our previous podcast guests including Roseanne Dr Keg and has no ball volcano Jalan. Damn Andrea Martin Michael mckeon Steven Weber Cave in La vie a Ken Bovine Ken love and Joe Pantoliano. Please welcome to the PODCAST and industry industry giant living legend and a man who somehow managed to direct over for one thousand episodes of television without ever working with me. The Gentleman James Borrows bullet dodged. Yes absolutely it's a pleasure to be here. Thank you James. Does this count as working with Gillard I think we can. I think we could chalk that up. No Ella tell him to change his shirt. They'll never happened. They give tell James the direction that David Steinberg gave you on mad. What about you. You'll get a kick out of that. Oh yes I want to say something in runoff and David Steinberg said I'm could did you run a little faster and I and I said I yeah. I guess I could run fan and he goes no no. I don't need you to run faster. Maybe a little more gracefully and I said gracefully and he goes no choppy. Let's <hes> chef and then finally threw his hands in the air and he said can you run delays <unk>. Jewish uh-huh so obviously you had to run right to left as quick see what you missed out on James. We were talking. Go ahead go yeah now. We were just <hes> we were. GonNa Save Franken. I were saying maybe we'll start off with you telling our audience what what your father who your father was and what he accomplished <hes> my father was a gentleman named. Abe Burrows who was a radio writer in <hes> California in the late thirties and forties and then <hes> he was asked to write the book for guys and dolls <hes> in one thousand nine hundred fifty at by a man he worked with named Ernie Ernie Martin who was a radio producer back in L. A. and my dad came and rewrote the book two guys and dolls and so he stayed on Broadway good way and he became a Broadway director and playwright writing other than guys and dolls <hes> Cancan how to succeed in business. Is this without really trying everything forty carats <hes> <hes> happy hunting <hes> cactus flower our <hes> so he was he became a legend on Broadway very much so we got a kick out of the fact Gilbert was saying you know because we were watching interviews with you and you you you were just a kid watching his dad work yeah if it was lost on you as a kid and certainly the glamour of the people you were meeting. Yeah I had <hes> <hes> I had no idea I was just I was occasionally trundled off to rehearsals and <hes> would go to some of my dad's parties and sit around with <hes> <hes> people who I had no idea what they were who they were like <hes> literally said next dinner at dinner with John. Steinbeck is that <hes> with Truman Capote with Common Green Kaufman George Calvin Dad's first director yeah and <hes> so I you know I that grew up in in that in that aura and <hes> didn't quite register with me who all these people are until I got a lot older and so thank meeting. These people just meeting a bunch of boring gold people to you as a kid and going to work was like if you father worked written grocery store yeah yeah. I always describe you know what I did with. My father was a tailor and he taught me how to make a suit when I didn't don't even know I was learning how to make us. I love <hes>. No I know the the good thing about these people were they were funny. My Dad's you now now. You Know My dad's friends were mainly funny. Even even Steinbeck was funny and <hes> so they they didn't spurn earn me as a young child a you know they talked to me and we're very gracious and <hes> so <hes> I you know I grew up around the intelligentsia of New New York among those people. That didn't really mean anything to you. As a kid I understand were Danny Kaye and Groucho. Yeah I <hes> my dad was close friends especially especially close with Sylvia Sylvia fine and his wife and <hes> I did meet Groucho with my dad. It was <hes> I was old enough to know who he was and <hes> he <hes> he he made he made me laugh. Yeah that <hes> I remember I met him at <hes> at Chasen's which was a famous restaurant in in L. A. Before it was became Bristol farms and <hes> I met a dinner with my dad there and we were walking out in there was Groucho so so we sat down a Groucho table and you know he you know he talked to me as Groucho but I'll never forget <hes> <hes> <hes> <hes> Adolf Zucker who was then who was retired as president of paramount pictures was about ninety five years old and he came he came Kinda shuffling through the restaurant and Groucho from the table said a Adolf Adolph Ostermann Yana Estimate Yana Anna waving his hand calling him over to table. which was you know it was just it was so mean? Oh me and but you know what could you do but laugh. Ghost Groucho was the he was he was really funny bizarre and you were. Gilbert and I got a kick out of the fact that as a kid you you showed up on this not only the Sam Levenson show. This is the only podcast by the way where you can guarantee the that. The two hosts will who Sam Levinson was but also on on Edward Murrow Edward R Murrow is person to person a clip. I saw tribute special yeah. I was <hes> <hes> I said my infamous line <hes> <hes> when Ed Edward R murrow asked me what a what do I want to do and I said I haven't made up my decision yet. which is as? I said I haven't decided yet but <hes> you know as a sixteen fifteen fourteen year old. I went to show that I it was totally illiterate now your your father was schooled in front of the House of un-american activities tippety be during the McCarthy scare. Yes yes because your mom was a good old left. You made you and your your sister. March the day parade yeah we we did March in New York City. You know back in the when my parents met they <hes> uh they you know they were liberals back. Then and liberals were communists back then that's just you know that's just what it was that it was <hes> what's another term and <hes> <hes> they you know how they they went to parties and stuff like that and <hes> my dad was called before before the House on American Activities Committee. Yes yeah it's it's fascinating too because <hes> and we've had you wind up working with blacklisted. Uh Uh actors you wound up working with Guilford Jack Gilford on taxi. I did yeah I did yeah did you did you discuss. Did you know that was you know <hes>. There were hard feelings. All around with gallows people I'll bet and it was not passed on to the kids and the kids didn't carry a grudge or anything like that my Jack Jack was very good friends with my mom and <hes> zero mastel was also good friends with my mom. I'm so you know they. They <hes> <hes> you know it was it was really it was really tough. Time and <hes> people were called in front of this committee for just living their lives and <hes> it was I would i. I can't imagine a position. My Dad was put them in that you. You've you said it when he was in in a in an impossible position because if he said too much or he said two little he could lose either way right right yeah and and it was the times that I mean can you really I mean there's people who are looked upon as the enemies but like they they were under pressure to everybody was under pressure. It was uh it was <hes> you know <hes> to use a modern term terme. It was a witch hunt sure and <hes> <hes> because you know you had one guy kind of who was the energy behind this whole movement and people were swept up and <hes> <hes>. It's not so simple not so dissimilar then what's going on now yeah. I we always said we had our win. Winkler here a couple of weeks ago and he made that picture guilty by suspicion he made a picture about the blacklist with Deniro and we were talking about how it could come again. You also work with Lee Grant who we had here how famously blacklisted you work with Lebron on fe yeah and she was as much of a victim as anybody big chunk kind of her career. I know you know a lot of people a lot of people went to Europe and wrote and wrote under pseudonyms and it was yes <hes>. I hope we never see that again. I hope not on a brighter note. We have to talk a little bit about something else that your dad did. which was the classic? Duffy's tavern right yeah yeah and I love these names. You can find these on Youtube James. You can find some of the old clips I found one with Burt Gordon. The Mad Russian Arthur treater and slacks slaps he maxie Rosenbloom great names from the past home my God what an iconic show yeah. I you know I was. I don't think I was trundled to that rehearsals because I may have not been born at that point but <hes> my dad was <hes> picture of me and my father and Ed Gardner Yup who was who played Archie Archie to manager and I think my Middle Name James Edward burroughs his after Ed. Oh I didn't know that that's and <hes> I believe it or not I have he had an apron. Ed Gardner had an apron that he wore even though the show was on radio he he had this apron and <hes> anybody on the show sign the Apron and <hes> so Ed's mother embroidered all the signatures signatures so it came up for auction about thirty years ago at Christie's or or Sotheby's and I bought it so I haven't hanging and the names on there there must be two hundred and fifty names on there of the people who guessed it on the show <hes> to to Lula Bank Milton burr everyone everyone it was it was this crap. Harry S Truman while Nelson Rockefeller was crazy. Yeah go ahead. Here's a simple and stupid the question how would you what what how would you watch the first sign that you're working with a bad ED director. Why don't they give away shines. I've never worked with a director yeah but if <hes> the first the first sign of a bad director is when an actor as a question that they say I don't know you can't you can't do that. You have to take a stance. You have to say if he asked a question to this funnier night. You say funny and if it's not funny you say I was wrong. Don't say yeah I don't know that's the worst thing you can do and don't <hes> having a you know you have to have an opinion and you have to be able to <hes> get what you want. I in <hes> in a way that's integral to yourself off Martin it. I'm not a strict direct. I'm not saying you have to be here and you have to be there and yeah well but you you have to do that and that's funny and that's the way the jokes going to work. I'm one who takes all kinds of suggestions from everybody and I have certain ideas and I make sure my ideas seem like they come from the actors so that you can do this wonderful creative effort that I try how to do so bad. Directors are <hes> you know people who succumb to pressure and don't have their own opinion and and don't know what the particular piece or what the particular needs and you said in one interview that thank you tell your actors you tell your actors and writers you give them a suggestion and you say this may be great. This may be Shit I do. I say that I say before I do you know when I started out. I would do anything I I when I when I shot on television I would you know if a pilot was sent to me. I'd do it because I didn't have much choice but as I got once I did cheers years and I got <hes> <hes> settled full hanging balls. I I started to assert myself more and <hes> whenever I do do a pilot or work with new writers I <hes> I have. I you know they <hes>. I want to have a meeting with them where they think they're auditioning me but I know I'm additioning additioning now and <hes> I tell them what I think and the important thing I want from the rider is I want them to defend end immaterial not to be defensive about and then at the end of that meeting or if I do work on the show I will give them notes and I say fifty percent of what I say is great and fifty percent is shit and it's your job to figure out which is which do that because a lot comes into my head sure a lot of it's not right you know. I don't have real writers logic. I you know I'll sell sell a scene for for a good joke. I'll sell it down the river if I if I have a good joke that may not be integral to the emotion and the peace and it's wrong. It's the joke is wrong. It shouldn't be in there so I don't have riders logic but I do have a sense of what's funny how to make something funny and <hes> <hes> I you know I speak a lot. One of the things is your known for if I may if I may say correct me if I'm wrong is is is coming up with physical business. That make makes the scene funnier because you I've heard you say you're you're. You don't think like a writer. You don't have a writer's approach but you you you you also say you absorb so much by watching your father all over the years and you absorb dwarf so much working in Summer Stock Working Theater Yeah I signed that example of <hes> of the the Mary Tyler Moore episode where with Lou and Rhoda we wound up putting them on the trunk. Yeah yeah I I again. <hes> you know. I just have that gift. You know I call it a gift. <hes> my dad used to say you can't learn funny which is true. You have to be born that way and you know I I. Luckily got that gene. So I kind of know what's funny. In my first episode. I have directed. It was <hes> a Mary. Tyler Moore was brought out to do one show and and I got Mary Tyler Moore and <hes> the reading around the table. When we read the script the first time it was like <hes> D plus and I said I remember saying to grant tinker who brought me out I said in a sea of Danish I get a Bagel and <hes> so I went down on stage and I started to rehearse and I just throw anything in I could I invoke Shakespeare vote checkoff in the last scene between Louis and Mary <hes> where they're sitting out of trunk there you know to me. It was like <hes> <hes> I. I think it was like I said we're like three sisters. Where are you know they're thinking about going to Moscow. They have to move apart and and stuff like that so I I remember doing everything possible to add stuff to show and <hes> <hes> I was lucky enough to to be able to impress people especially Mary. WHO's running the company so sure you're my career took off after that and now I have to ask you another question similar to the last how do you what are the signs of bad writing well in a comedy. It's not funny <hes> and <hes> it's just to me it. <hes> you know when I when I read something it's not the idea. It's the execution of the idea. <hes> cheers is showing bar. <hes> there have been a lot of shows set in bars <hes> Duffy's tavern yeah we were a couple. A couple of people sued US couple. People sued us when when cheers came out we stole it and we would always say get in line behind my dad. Wow Oh wow yeah and we we never had a problem after that but you know bad writing is people don't sound unlike they're talking to one another or they're. They're they're not relating or or they're you know they they. It doesn't come from the inside side. It's all on the surface so <hes> you know it's just <hes> it's just something you have to feel. I can't yeah I can tell you what bad writing is and the biggest example of bad writing is the play. I wrote to get out of the L School of drama. I ha ha. That's funny that in a vault no one has the combination. No no what what to two other quick things. I Bet Your Dad before we move on James that won the touch me too. It'd be obvious you said I'm not a martinet but you said that you learned that much psychology that by the way your description of working with actors actors it's fascinating but you said one of the things that you got from your dad was was treating people with kindness yes more than picked up yeah. He was <hes> aw you know. When I was a young boy I didn't I didn't see it but then when I stage manage for him <hes> on a <music> <hes> first one was breakfast at Tiffany's and then on the road company of Cactus Lower and then on forty cards I could see how he worked with the actors and and my dad was a playwright and a director sure so he would rewrite a lot on his feet but he would always treat everybody with kindness he would. Did you know take all kinds of suggestions. He even took one from me that ended up in forty carats and <hes> he was he was he was not. You have to be over here. You have to be over here. It was like you know I learned that from him. You know <hes> walk in the door. That's what I say starting a scene. You start over here. You start over there and let's see what happens so <hes> you know that's it was all it was never now. Don't don't do it that way. It was never I never got angry. <hes> <hes>. I never <hes> said <hes>. There's only one way to do it and it's my way because actors if you if you catch the right actors <hes> you cast them because they're good and they're creative so they can only make the peace better and they can only make the peace better by having the freedom to experiment and we do that a lot. I thought it was interesting to in Gilbert appreciate ashamed this that that your your dad gave he mentored some some young people like Dick Morris like you're dead. Yeah you yeah you as well and Woody Allen Yeah well. He wrote that letter on behalf on on what he's behalf. Dan told me my dad told me that Woody Allen came to see him. In the the fifties I guess and what he's related by marriage to to wash. I'm not sure how but <hes> he came to see my dad and he had fifty jokes and before ory you know my dad read the jokes and immediately sent woody to Sid Caesar show and to <hes> comedy comedy of how I don't remember the name of Oak was a shallow shows show show show so he sent a sent him over to sit and I he said I said to my dad. Why did you do it and he said because there were fifty jokes I could never thought of wow so <hes> there was <hes> there was a connection connection there with woody and my dad and the last thing that you wanted to do was go into show that's fascinating as you said you wanted. No part of that I did I I went to I went to I went to music and art high school. Believe it or not I went to <hes>. It's now laguardia. It's combined with performing arts. When I was twelve years old I was in sixth grade and and <hes> <hes> people from the Metropolitan Opera Boys Metropol monop- Burke came around and they wanted to know who could sing my country Tis of the and I I could I sang it and I got into the Metropolitan Opera Boys Chorus and I was in it from when I was twelve till I was seventeen and we would go. Oh you know we would take the subway down. There would be in Janicki Alaba William or or Cavalleria Rusticana or Carmen was our big was our big opera we we had <hes> two big choruses and <hes> so when I was going to apply to college at a High School I sang for music and art and I got in on my voice which was horrible I was I was a boy soprano and <hes> a bad one but I got in so I got into music and art and <hes> then when I <hes> <hes> you you know I I I didn't I couldn't sing. I couldn't be in the entertainment world and then I went to Oberlin college which had a great theater department and I didn't want to do anything into theater. I felt you know that my dad was a legend. I DIDN'T WANNA go into that business in New York City. That was you know he was he was he was very very prominent. A giant and I didn't WanNa do any of that. I didn't think I had any any of the skill and then when I got out of the were calling people for the Vietnam War and I didn't want to be in that area either so I <hes> <hes>. I had no heel spurs so I couldn't <hes> I couldn't get out that touched yeah lovely and so I <hes> my dad's wants to go to graduate school so oh I got into the l school of drama and there I took a directing class with a man named Nikos Karabelas who was who ran williamstown and was a director on Broadway and I kind of Said Okay I see what directing is and maybe maybe I can do that so <hes> I <hes> I kind of gravitated to that but then when I got out it was just you know what do I do now now I I I I said well maybe I'll stage-manage so stage managers. The Guy who runs a show in the night and directly under studies so slowly through that process I got more and more into directing but initially I was a government major Oberlin and I wanted nothing to do with the theater and the rest is history tackling quick this a quick departure a little a little side <hes> aside nope but you work with two people that were interested in in <hes> in Your Road Company Days Don Knotts and Schaja any any quick memories of either of them. Yes I know we could do a seven hour. Show James Easily. Yes I know I ran a theatre in San Diego Goldie off Broadway theatre way off Broadway theatre and I was he a tick director and we would do star vehicles we did <hes> <hes> Mister Roberts with <hes> James Drury the Virginian James Goodbye Charlie with Joanne Worley and we did <hes> the junior wolfe with <hes> with Carl Betz in all the big television stars back and then yeah we did last year the Red Hot lovers don not and it was a big hit so <hes> so we brought it up to the Huntington Hartford which is a theater we're here in. La and it ran for three or four weeks so I got to know Don KNAPP way and he was he was a wonderful man and and so that's that literally only time I work with Don and then Josh Ya forty carats right yeah. She is you know got a lover. She's passed away but she was somewhat instrumental in my career she <hes> when I was stage imagine forty carats she came in to replace June allyson who replaced Julie Harris so with their stars who gets replaced I would I would do their blocking for them so they would know and then my dad would come in and do one final rehearsal and <hes> get it into shape and everything like that so <hes> I would to Soja became very fond of me. I would you know I could tell color to do things and <hes> I would not get a fight or anything like that. She really liked me so I I would direct when she would do forty character territory she did spirit around the country they would hire me because I could wrangle her and <hes> <hes> so we went to oh they hired to do forty carats in San Diego and I agreed to do it and then she bowed out and we did headed anyway with Marjorie Lord which is how I got the job as artistic director in San Diego which is how which gave me some credentials Daniels that Mary Tyler Moore was impressed with so <hes> so everything leads to something else. Yes yeah yeah so josh you know Josh I believe it or not what I was running theater in San Diego. I would come up and I would <hes> do casting it l. a. and I would always stay Ajaj his house house and she would feed me it was it was wow it was a strange pug very strange relationship. I was you know I was. I don't know she she liked me and I liked her. I I got a kick out of her. She was very sweet and very funny <music>. 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Someone told me that the two old guys that sat at the bar soldier that Yeah Rosen that one hour rosen used to be a stuntman for the three stooges juice <hes> I think that is true al how was his <hes> title is the man who said Sinatra Rice Ace because I think the first time we ever spoke it was an atra. He said it about four times in his show and we started Arta. We started to use AL allot. He had a couple of short lines but he had been in business. He probably was I don't. I don't recollect that but he was an old time. Hollywood guy and he's in the Stratton story that I looked up the the Jimmy Stewart Movie The Baseball Movie Juno that movie the Martian in the movie yeah yeah he's he had some credits in the in the forties and fifties he was a sweetheart. He <hes> you know he he had. We used them occasionally on cheers. He <hes> <hes> but he was always really funny. Yeah Gino who's a friend of ours was an entertainment payment reporter out or Milwaukee New al.. Said please have asked James. About Al because James was very good to him. Oh yes we were but he he was good to who asked because he was really funny but I can't believe that I took connection to three from from cheers. Oh yeah that's that's a fun one. Did when you were working on forty carats it said the story I heard you were. You're on the road and you you went to a you went back to your room and you saw the Mary Tyler Moore. Show on my angling this story now knowledge true. We're not the forty carats on Broadway. I was doing forty carats in Wallingford Connecticut with Joan Fontaine. Okay wow and I went back to my. I went back to my room room <hes> on a Saturday turn on the TV. There was a Mary Tyler Moore Show and in my head I said wow. They're doing a half hour our week and I'm doing a two hour show a week. I think I can do it so that's what gave me the idea but to go back to how I know. Mary is <hes> the first show that I worked on Broadway was his show that my dad wrote called <hes> it was a musical of breakfast at tiffany's called Holly Go L. Lightly and <hes> it starred Richard Chamberlain Mary Tyler Moore Dr Kildare and Laurie Petrie and <hes> <hes>. I was in charge of Mary and Dick. I was a third assistant stage manager and they were the Hollywood people and and my job was to show them around the you know when they came off stage. Take them to their next mark and take them back to dress room. Get launch for them. I it's really there gopher so <hes> I you know we went out of town with the show and we were sold out because you had Laura Patrie Dr Kildare sure it was crazy and winning combination yeah and David Merrick was the producer who was great Broadway producer and and he was unhappy with the show and I I have to admit it was not my dad's greatest work so <hes> David replaced my dad and he replaced my dad with a man known for his musical comedy was Edward Albee so I said to my dad <hes> can I stay on and he said sure so I stayed eight on the show and you know my job expanded I would go down Edwards townhouse and get the rewrite because there were no fax machines back then on or anything like that and <hes> so <hes> Merrick decided to rather than go out of town again with the show to rehearse or to rehearse the reworked version of the show in New York and opened for previews so we opened for previews and it was the disaster the show was a disaster it was it was dark. There was some really good Bob Merrill songs but it was a dark show and poor. Mary every was in tears all the time well Mary. Tears and she would come off stage. She was crying and I would be the person who would meet her and I would take her to her next exposition and stuff like that are up to a room she would change and and it was just it was a horrible experience for everybody we closed after before performances and so we became very close because this was you know just just a disaster and we all in this lifeboat and yeah we shared the oars and so after the show was over <hes> grant flew in and indic- sat with grant Mary for a while at Sardis and <hes> so we became friends so that's my first introduction to Mary and so that's how she knew me. So there was some luck involved insurance that <hes> she went on to have this wonderful career and took me along with her but also a little chutzpah involved loved. I mean you were you were in a road company working with a road company. You send you saw are on television. You said I'm going to reach out I'm going to I think I can do this. I thought I could and <hes> I guess I was right or you could just talk a little bit about those those. Mta Glory Days James I I mean not only the Mary Tyler Moore show but you directed Phyllis. You directed road. We had Paul Sand in here. A couple of weeks ago we talking about friends and lovers. Tell Galliano's as dialogue coach he did not he did well yeah. I would go <hes> I watched I started by watching newhart show <hes> because because in particular thing that I do multi camera show in front of an audience I knew about all the staging of the actors and everything like that what I did know was about the cameras there's so I had to watch for about four five months to watch how the cameras work to get the shots and everything like that so after a while once I learned to cameras before I got my first shot. I I would <hes> I would go to pull Santa's house on the weekends and I would run line too nice. Man had a sweet honey. We love him. Yeah Dow Fun and the Tony Randall Show on m. t. m. show right right. <laughter> tarsus show that I loved that should have been a bigger hit. I Know Thomas J made me laugh. Oh my God well. The two of them were so aw so funny and so mean I mean you one of the hallmarks of those MPM days of those writers I mean Yeah Brooks and Burns and Dan End Stand Daniels and Ed Weinberger. We had on the podcast by the way how you did we had here. Yes all my God. I haven't seen added years. Oh he was funny as hell but I love those shows and you liked one in particular was that it was at an Mt. M. Show the ROB Reiner. Yes there was free country. Oh my God yes. We both like that one. Yeah tell us tell us about that. One <hes> <hes> that was I think six or seven episodes it was about Jews on the Lower East side <hes> and rob wrote it and <hes> was in it and it was you know everything was period about about it. It was set in the nineteen early nineteen hundreds and it was funny and Joey Joey Joey Pants Rini lipin yup up and judy con the up where the <hes> where were the two families that <hes> that we were in the show and I had a great a time on that show it's <hes> I was sad to see that it was it was canceled and an another show that you did that. I think I saw about two episodes. Maybe there were only two but I thought it was a funny show and it had one person who I'm sure you admire because she worked with him on now taxi and that was George shut her show. Yeah sure I well you know I was in awe of working with those two guys together. Yeah Bob Ninety heart and Judd Hirsch Yeah Bob Bob just when I was in college and <hes> Fifty Eight Fifty Nine my dad sent me the button down mind record and I could not keep the my classmates out of my room. Everybody wanted to hear that record record so I was. I was just I I love new harden and I got to work on his show and the Bob Newhart show and he just best nobody. Nobody doesn't like Bob does the he has it so distinctive and he's so funny and <hes> I had a good time on Georgia Leila. It didn't last that long but that's Jason Bateman was in yes smart show and tell us about Judd Hirsch shoe worked with a lot and we WANNA get shot here you should do you. WanNa talk to we will do it. He's <hes> <hes> you know judge playing Alex Rieger this this <hes> the only one who wanted to be a cabdriver everybody else had visions and dreams to be other places Alex Rieger. There was a cab driver that was his job he understood it and yet he had the soul of the wisest man in the world and would listen to all the insanity and because he would listen a lot like Ted Danson on cheers because that character listened and and acknowledged the other person the audience could embrace those people so the skill that judd has as a straight man is just I. It's just it's just it's it's wonderful and I you know I had a chance to work with them again. On superior doughnuts where again he played the rock of the show so and you know he's gloriously funny and can do any accent in the world and <hes> you know I've had I have had wonderful times. I told him straight men. Don't get enough credit. We've said that on this show many times new hearts another example of a viewpoint character. ESO WHO's a listener so that you you can accept the other crazy characters that are orbiting around right. He's the windows of the show yeah yeah and they don't get enough credit in fact when you watch the Mary Tyler Moore show she doesn't get enough credit for being the straight person more often than not in the center. I know you know it's those the ones who are the handsome or really good looking or girls who are really pretty who are centers. Don't get the acknowledgment they should you. I know that people think they're stars because they're good looking pretty but they're they're. They're wonderful comedians to there's no more greater example than <hes>. The six six hundred people on friends who for years everybody is thought to show was a success because they were. We're so good looking and it wasn't it was that they were all deft. COMEDIANS <hes> all the show was so well written so I mean and a lot of times you don't these these the the center of the show doesn't get the acknowledgments they should and and we've had at least two members of the Mary Tyler Moore Show we had we had asner we had McLeod and Weinberger Yeah Yeah tell us about Gavin Macleod and national to work with and Ted well I was that was my first job and I was scared shitless headless. Thank God J. Sandwich Yeah because of Jay who was my mentor. <hes> Jay was so sweet to me. It's so wonderful awful to me and so <hes> passionate about me and <hes> <hes> you know he <hes> he didn't bring me out. Mary brought me out <hes> and and Jay was so supportive you know I tell I'll I'll just tell a quick Jay Sandra story. I'm the first show I ever shot I <hes> I was shooting the show and I <hes> somebody made a mistake and I said okay. Let's back up to this line <hes> and I heard from the booth back it up to Ted's entrance and I looked up there and there was j. a and he knew we couldn't cut the show the show I wouldn't cut together with the with the mistake in less we went back to Ted's entrants mench so he was there for me and my first show which was so sweet and <hes> you know to this day I still I I love him and and you know credit him with being so instrumental in getting my butt off the ground and <hes> that's to be where where I am today it's nice and <hes> <hes> as far as Gavin and Ted and ed the the great thing about them is that they never really did much comedy before the Mary Tyler Moore show they I think Ted played played heavies on <hes> on <hes> <hes> the Eliot Ness show sure <hes> sure and <hes> ed was a heavy in movies and Gavin to same gangsters and on the touchable. That's a show right. That's right and so if you cast people on your shows who you've never seen funny eh what you do is it enhances the element of surprise because you don't expect them to be funny and they're funny money and you go. Oh my God this person funny. I never knew it and you enjoy them more. They were wonderful actors and they were all so funny. I mean we did it on cheers. We cast Nicole Asana play coach and Nikki had come off of the Mafia don and raging bull. That's right was yes in me I I. I didn't know it was the same Persia brilliant casting yeah remember him. It was so completely lied der believable and both parts which are polar opposites I now he was Nikki was unbelievable. I think it was a director. He was yeah he was. He directed a lot of our stuff <hes> but <hes> comes me when he came in to read. We all looked at one another said. Oh my God and those wonderful moments in the room and you can say Oh my God when somebody brings something you would never think to two apart and you go. Oh my God. This is great. We're all benefit from. It was so strange because coach he's Kinda. Slow witted good natured and then in these this means scumbag in raging bull. Yes yeah yeah so it's convincing prize because Nikki doesn't look funny and all of a sudden this stuff comes out of his mouth and his attitude and he could play that he played coach. It was unbelievable. It's fascinating fascinating these casting the casting choices casting these dramatic actors. I don't remember chlorides Lebron being in many comedies either I remember the twilight zone and dramatic yeah mostly dramatic work unless your show picture show yeah yeah yeah that is fascinating she yeah she she was hysterical. And the people on taxi to I mean I mean I nobody thought of Judd Hirsch really is a comedian and veto had been in Cuckoo's nest and some and some odd way the fascinating casting choices. That's <hes> I've been very lucky and you want talking about how I mean. The character Louie Depalma my you know in real life is a total scumbag and yet the lovable vulnerable one yeah so you had Adda theory for why he became a lovable guy well his height yeah I mean and <hes> God love the boys Jim and Ed Weinberger and <hes> Davis when we were doing the pilot of of Taxi <hes> <hes> Louis comes out of the cage in the first scene and I remember going back after the first run through and the guy saying we gotta keep minute to the last scene you don't WanNa see his stature until the last scene and they were right smart and he came at had a cage. Nobody could believe it so <hes> yeah and so you know he had that wonderful vulnerability and Dan Danny such a great actor such a great actor. It's so funny you knew right away when you read that script and you James See I heard you. It was the hardest show you ever did but you. You knew right away when you got the script in your hands that you had to do it while the no there was no way it was not going to do it even when when my agent called said you're going to get a script from I'm Jim and ED. I knew I was going to do it because it was back then when I was kind of floundering around doing all these different shows and when I when they show when riders of their reputation chose to send me a script. I knew I was going to do that show. There was no two ways about it because I knew how good they were now. Was it you who <hes> I hope it was you who got together with the cast of friends and said after this. Your lives are gonNA totally change. That was me that was me. I <hes> I was doing I did about four or five friends in a row at the beginning of the Ron I did pile it and I think the first four or five shows and after about the third show I saw how the audiences react or was reacting to these six people and the last were huge. The writing was so good it was so funny and I and I got warner. WanNa brothers who who was the producers of the show to give me the plane their private jet to fly the six of them to Vegas. I just wanted to celebrate the fact that we were having a great time. So I flew him million to six of them. We flew to Vegas and took them to dinner at Spago and I said to them. You guys have to enjoy this because this is your last shot shot at anonymity well and they said why you're kidding me. Oh no and I said yes. I have a feeling I I can see. I have a sense and <hes> I think this is going to be this. Show is going to be huge saw we we we had dinner and we went to gamble none of mad money. They all had a borrowed from me. Days are over. Yeah I yeah no <HES>. It turns out. I was right. I had <hes> it was just a magical moment. I had <hes> you you know. I still am friendly with them. All I still see them a lot. During the year and it's just something special we all have Nice Nice <hes> of that moment and <hes> <hes> our the six you know not six beautiful wonderful actors but six wonderful sweet people that <hes> hopefully we'll. We'll always be friends. How'd you like working with <hes>. We had Ron Liebman here too. I know you've worked with. I know you've worked with Ron full times. What a sweet guy a Hudson Street yeah with Tony. That's right. Dan Yeah Yeah and I did another one with him. I can't remember I don't have it on my card. Yeah <hes> I'll find it but you Pacific Pacific extinction everybody. You mentioned his Jewish state. I I'm in charge of it. Ah Joey Pants we had Bush Emmy and Alan Alda was here. He's a Zonta like me. Try to squeeze him. I'm in James. It's hard. We can't have a token GOI. I have to go back to a Jew that we have to talk about because it somebody you both with new Gilbert Newman a little bit and that's <hes> Andy Kaufman. Oh God yes <hes> yeah <hes> i. It's an hour show too but we'll try to try to condense it. Yeah telemedicine our show and I loved Andy. He was just a to me one of the most brilliant and braves comics I'd ever seen in my life and tell us the agreement that contract of how how he said he had to bring in another person who will have its own dressing room part. was that no we when you had to have. Tony to yeah <hes> the agreement the boys signed with Andy was that he would do the show if this gentleman named Tony Clifton could do one episode of Taxi. Tony Clifton was Andy Kaufman's alter ego so when Andy would do a concert <hes> Tony Clifton who was andy with <hes> prosthetics on his face and <hes> <hes> <hes> stuff suit so he looked fat and a ruffled shirt and a brocade tuxedo because he was a lousy lounge singer from begging okay so he would open Andy. Show and you know get it off the stage and they'd say bring on Andy Take mission at an intermission and in an after intermission Andy would come on and <hes> you know do foreign man and do whatever he did Elvis and so a great elvis yeah the one of the best he had to sneer sneer yeah yeah so <hes> we saw the show came up that he was going to do and <hes> I know exactly when it happened. I don't Mary lose memory. She has crazy Komo but it was the day that Bucky Dent hit two home run. Only one game playoff right eight and so- Andy was Andy had day night reversal. Andy Kaufman would come in at one o'clock for rehearsal because he was up till four in the morning and slept till twelve and we were starting at nine o'clock rehearsal and here in with the show with Tony Clifton and here comes Tony Clifton nine. Am in the morning and <hes> he's he he. He wants us to stop watching the game because he wants to rehearse and he never wanted to her so we started this rehearsal and it was not gonNa work because you had. Andy Calvin playing Tony Clifton playing Louie Depalma's brother and so I called up two boys they came to see a run through and decided we have to get rid of Tony Clifton and so if you see man in the moon it's it's all in there well. It's fascinating from our perspective because Bonner's is playing. We had here on the PODCAST. West is playing a what an amalgam of you and Weinberger Yeah Yeah Yeah it's bizarre and and what I I find so strange about the movies is that Danny Devito is not an taxi playing George Yeah. He's played jewelry. We also had yes so <hes> <hes> was depicted in the film edge pretty pretty close. I mean I remember I remember that day when it came to when it came down to fire him and Andy <hes> Tony had the two prostitutes you know normal normal shit that happened and I remember you know Ed Fire and Ed firemen and and Tony said I'm not leaving and a great. I'm going Holy Shit. This is the the greatest ghetto theater I've ever seen and so we're watching. We're watching Judd's watching. I'm watching Tony. Danza had a super eight camera and he can't find the film sad saw. You won't leave so fondly. Judd says all right. I'm going to go play so judd grabs grabs him and throws him off the stage and everything like that and it was Jus- It was wonderful theater and we we hired another actor in the show wha- went on and it was fine and Andy came into next week as if nothing happened. I love that when Andy was doing stuff like that did did Davor you or the other actors say okay. Cut this shit no no because Andy didn't do anything like that and he played lot guy and he had a photographic memory. He knew he knew the part. It was one dimensional character that Andy could play and <hes> he never none of that shit ever happened other than the Tony Clifton incident. You got an audience with him though too which I found fascinating. You had you had automatic. You had dinner with him. I we had them. Edward have occasional parties on taxi and Andy was uncomfortable so <hes> my wife back back then and I wouldn't have andy come over to the house and we would talk again. He was just he was just meek. Saul from great neck long island you know but a genius you know and then we all went to see his milk and cookies show after <hes> when when he was on taxi Acsi when he was at the garage or somewhere Huntington Hartford Stymie wrestled okay and then you know he did all the characters and everything down the end of the show we walked out there were buses and the buses took us at a pizza factory for milk and cookies and it was just it it was so wonderful and weird so magical nature to the Guy Gilbert. How well did you did? You get to know him not well but you but you saw them in the club's early on I ah yeah we never actually spoke he would come in. I remember I very clearly him doing stuff like <hes> reading singing a hundred bottles of beer on those y'all do everyone and then it gets point we go. Oh Shit sheared. He's GonNa do the entire but <hes> you know. He never told jokes no and he never told jokes he he he would he would do something to you laughed. I mean he he came out. Read Gone With the wind and you you know you didn't know what was going on pretty soon. You'd start laughing and that that was that was. Andy's you know. He was incredibly brave. Performance Art Yeah Prof Total Performance and farce. Look this talk a little bit too quickly. Can you tell us about two actors that struck us that we're on taxi that you directed by Victor Bono playing playing Reverend Jim's Dad and Ruth Gordon why I don't remember too much about Victor. I don't you know I don't remember that. There's a long time ago. I know Roosa- Zay Ruth. I remember <hes> yes. She was sugar sugar Mama Yup you know and <hes> I might as well tell the story. I don't think anybody's nobody's ever told I think Jihad told me too story. <hes> she had <hes> she had in the show she had this. The Sky was kind of a <hes> a Semitic looking guy who was her lover <hes> and his name aim was <hes> harder on and <hes> that was the actor's name and I said I said head coach. I was done with a scene and I said <hes> I said to my ad. I said Okay I want to start the next thing I need. Ruth Gordon and Harrow on and she started laughing and I don't know why she was laughing anyway that she came. She did the seat she was very sweet and then I said to Shod Judd after why was ruth laughing at that point in judge said 'cause she thought you said I need Ruth Gordon and a hard on the Larry Eighty eight various sir. How great is she and where's Poppa by the way all Mike kind of black comedy? That Hollywood doesn't make anymore. <hes> yeah that was that was so wonderful to be able to work quits her yeah. Let's let's talk about cheers to the casting quickly because also I was fascinated by the <hes> by the way I love you and you refer to you in the Charles. Brothers is to Mormons and a Jew speaking speaking of Jews but <hes> the the genesis of cheers is interesting how it was going to be at first you guys were fawlty towers fans fan yeah. We'll talk about cleese if we have time and <hes> at first it was going to be a hotel and then it was going to be a bar on the way to vegas us in Barstow and then it was going to be a sports bar and then you pick Boston I mean it's a it's an interesting road. Also the casting is interesting. How you brought in three duos lows we brought in the finals for for Salmon Diane. The finalists yeah Julia Duffy and Fred Dryer Fred Dryer was at that point a former defensive end for the rams yeah yeah sure billy vein and Lisa eichhorn Gilbert yes yeah well well billy vein and Lisa Eichhorn who were in <hes> Yanks together and Ted Shelley and we <hes> we invited the network to paramount because there was a bar there was a bar set on bosom buddies so we use that bar set and we were stole three actors and <hes> all three sets of actors and they were all wonderful in their own right. I mean billy was great great and <hes> Freddie Dryer once Sam alone because at that point he was a wide receiver for the Patriots and <hes> and Julia grade they all had but the people who had the greatest chemistry were ten shelly so <hes> we went up to the room and we discussed it people somebody somebody was really want us to hire dryer but at that point he didn't have the the the comedy chops we needed so we ended up with. Ted and Shelley and it <hes> I think it worked out say Gelius another case of Har- character was it's like a snooty bitch and yet she's a lovable character absolutely lovable yeah yeah half the men wanted to <hes> killer and a half the men wanted to sleep with her yeah and it was I give credit to all the credit on that to the Charles Brothers <hes> because when we discussed script before they went off to write it we discuss Sam working for a woman and <hes> that became the permutation after shelley law left but at that point we we when I left them. We add the character of the coach we had norm. We add cliff. Everybody liked that but we didn't have we didn't have cliff but we had a we had <hes> <hes> norm and coach and Carlin stuff like that <hes> and <hes> they came back. I remember coming home from a vacation and there was a script on my doorstep four step and ahead created character Diane which I had never seen before. I've never seen character and the bar conversation sation. I had never seen that and I said to them. You've radio back to television because it was so literate so so smart so funny I couldn't. I couldn't believe what they did and <hes> it was <hes> you you know it was a seminal moment for all of us that moment that that's gripped arrived and <hes> so you know we got we we cast it right. We got lucky with when somebody laughed with replacing them. That was somebody equally as good or sometimes somebody better and <hes> you know it was it was a wonderful eleven years. Yeah like woody. Harrelson was totally different character than the coach was yeah well. We were in eighty four. We followed <hes> family. Ties and Michael was such a star that when we when Nikki passed away we didn't want to do an older guy again. We want to do a younger guy because we wanted to hopefully get some of the Michael Fox audience to watch cheers and then we had a kid who he really loves to play the part and the last active walk in the room was woody and and he walked in and he read with Teddy and we went but of course why didn't we think going that way and that was it. We just got lucky and this is something Gilbert. I'll never experienced but does isn't there electric as an electric moment when all of this comes together her the the right into the writing coalescence the acting the right actors walk in the room where you just go you know in your bones. This thing is special special. This thing is going to fly and how does that yeah. We were flying when he came around yeah but I mean you go back to the beginning. That's what I mean it yeah. We you know you gotta get a great script. Then he got a cast great then you gotta get network to put you on a good time slasher because was sometimes great shows. Don't have anybody famous in their their in them and there's no reason to watch him so you gotta get into time slot where people can <hes> come to the dance late because it takes awhile and television to get the word out so we were lucky you know. We were lucky with a wonderful wonderful script on cheers. We were lucky that Ted and shelley were available at that time. We were lucky to be on. NBC which which had nothing you know there was nothing the Sitcom was dying back then they didn't have any big shows couple of dramas <hes> L. A. Law and Maybe Hill Street and <hes> we you know you knew I always have a dress rehearsal before I shoot the show three or four days and on cheers we had this dress rehearsal and the audience crazy so I knew we had some special and I knew they were laughing. They laughed norm when norm entered right and and I looked Glenn Charleston I said Oh my God they're laughing at attitudes so I knew and you know we were lucky. We were lucky we kind of <hes> you know you did nothing the first two years and all of a sudden the cosby came on and so we got more people to dance and you know. I it's electric it happens. It's you know I've I've had happened four or five or six times and it's just nothing like it quite an experience y original story line to the Big Bang theory we did on that. We did two pilots. <hes> we did a pilot. First pilot was <hes> the boys was Johnny and Jimmy <hes> Sheldon Gordon and Leonard who walking down the street and they find a girl crying on the sidewalk decide to take her in and live with her are should turns out. She's a hooker so you had these nerds living with a hooker which I thought was a wonderful parameters but we could never get the casting right on that and God. I'd love Chuck Chuck. Laurie went back and said to the network. Let's take another shot at this and they created a penny across the hall and put into more nerds and and the rest is history in <hes>. It's a tribute to chuck. I only did the pilot of that. Show <hes> and <hes> you know I've worked with chuck since then a a lot of Egypt genius or what he does. He knows characters. He knows funny and <hes> those you know he's. He's just keeping this Sitcom alive right now. He is speaking of Jews. We had on the podcast judo fan letter. When you guys were working on cheers from Norman Lear I did. It was a first fan letter. What did that mean to you. Oh my God I showed it to the boys. You know this is when we were struggling. When we were yeah it came to the right time. Yeah the first last year on Thanksgiving finish. We were the last rated show on the air. <hes> that that week it was scary. Norman wrote this letter how much he loved off the show and <hes> we went to lunch with him and who better to go to lunch with the demand crater archie bunker and we went to the Brown Derby. RV which no longer exists and we sat there and off Norman and it was so wonderful to see that he was an all of us. How lovely Nice wow you just at the time you guys needed a shot in the arm and praise from Caesar showed up. Yes that is fantastic. Let's talk a little bit about will and grace before we let you out of a Ah James because I know it's a show. You're very proud of as you should be because it's a game changing show trail-blazing show. It's a show that means a lot to a lot of people and change the culture and as with taxi you kind of knew from the beginning. You knew I guess when you saw Maxon David script again. I read the script <hes> it was <hes> a tribute to Warren littlefield because Max David wrote a pilot for NBC previously and they didn't pick that up but they warren said. I like this character. Characters will and grace. Can we do a show about them. So Max and David went off and wrote the show and I read it and I loved it. I just I thought how wonderful wonderful this show was. It was smart. It was funny. It was pertinent and <hes> I said to you have to do the show so I did. This pilot and it was again at the dress rehearsal in front of this audience. It's it was through the roof. It was just wonderful and <hes> so the network picked it up and and <hes> the rest is history. I mean we've we're doing the reboot right now. Almost two hundred and thirty a show and that is still makes me laugh harder than any other show and you said you're against reunions <hes>. How are you said they're hard to do to do this is Max much idea we did a political video with the four of them and the network like the show and the four of them kind of look the same so we said why not try it so we tried it and it was <hes> it's turned out okay. It's it's listen to you. They've still got the same chemistry. I know. I was skeptical nickel too. I said well. I don't know it's been years and will it happen again. Can you make that magic again but the infectious performers no other show does those jokes she you can yeah okay yeah where they where the where the leading showing EUPHEMISMS <hes> because you've amazement or funny the actual word and <hes> it's just it it makes me. It's such a delight to go to work. It's such a delight to hear these wonderful lines to Max and David and the rest of writers created so it's now you know I'm well into my late thirties and to be able to to be doing your late thirties. That really makes you laugh is is is just gives you a new life life so a couple of actors that I that I marked that I set aside here. <hes> from from will and grace we just lost the great rip torn yeah any any a particular standout moments or gene wilder somebody. We also lost not long ago. Yeah we had you know we we had so many guest stars because once the show <hes> took off everybody wanted to be on the show. We've had every gay icon world. Yep absolutely share not job. Rondo not kill. Maybe there's room in the reboot. Gill Patti lupone. We had Burnett Peter. All of all of them say yeah yeah. We had Elton Yeah Right. <hes> <hes> we the <hes> <hes> they were all great. They you know if you're if you're on that show as a guest star you gotta come up at a level of of the four of them. If if you don't come up to the level of the four that you're going to be alive but so every guest actor you know had had fun on the show <hes> you know sure and close was playing Annie Liebowitz and she added Great Time Seven Bacon Kevin Bacon was Douglas Douglas Playing Geico. Yeah Taylor's dancing yeah yeah and you got to direct the great Sydney. Pollack Sydney was will's father a wonderful wonderful man so we were all in all when he was on the stage and he loved it. He loved being directed. Now Start as an actor right yeah yeah yeah yeah. How does it feel and I know you're not a proselytizer. You've said it and you know you leave the political stuff to to people like Norman but it has to be gratifying to to be part of a show is especially in light of what Joe Biden said when he when he I guess he evolved on gay marriage that that will and grace was in some way responsible for changing the country's perception of gay people to be part of something like that yeah. I don't think you know what we say on. This show is <hes>. What we've said is ellen opened the door and we broke it down also <hes> I I'm not good with proselytizing and I don't think Maxim David WanNa preach either what the show did the best example a is I would drive car pool on Thursday in <hes> when my kids went to high school and these were thirteen fourteen year olds and will and grace was on Thursday night and I would pick them up and as we driving school they would say to me what's on will and grace tonight right and I thought Blau we have thirteen and fourteen year olds watching the show they have no preconception of what gay is this and so they're enjoying the show so maybe they will not be <hes> influenced by a bad talk about gay people or something like that. Maybe they've been exposed to these each people so there'll be some tolerance not to say that they would but I I said so. Maybe elsewhere in the world there are these young people watching a show and getting <hes> an idea that gay people are funny like everybody else <music> and they're just other human beings so i. I don't think we ever set out to do that. I you know I told Max and David at at the end of the first episode of will and grace we did. I wanted a kiss between will and grace so that may be America would think that will take the magic pills bills and mary-grace and become straight <hes> and that was never going to happen but I figured if I could get people to think that they'd watch the show and then they see how funny it was and it wouldn't care so maybe it worked. Maybe it didn't work but <HES> <HES> you know. Two hundred two hundred thirty shows later was still on the air. Keep it going as long as long as you can. I just quickly want to read some messages that we got here. I reached out to people you worked with some that have done this show. Some that haven't Michael mckean Aga says please send my regards tell him I watched a taxi episode in a Hotel Room. The Lo- the local broadcasts was having quit problems which slowed the play. Bla- The playback and Jim Brooks trademark whooping laugh turn into a melancholy Banshee Motif and it made me love him even more I I work with Michael <hes> on Laverne and Shirley Yep Yep Don. Rio says just tell Jimmy I love him. which I wanted the pass along and Allen's wife I asked about a pilot you did call big shots in America right with Joe Montana? That's it and he he says the pilots. Let's should have worked. Great cast great director in the SCRIP wasn't bad but Ash Jim if we could work together again some day. I've matured a bit and I've done a few things since that pilot. Ah I loved Allen I loved I loved also working in New York. Lauren was the producer on that pilots. I got to work with Lauren and that was is <hes> that that was great and Ken Levine. He says ask James <hes> Jim if he held against my partner David Isaacson I that during the bar wars episode of cheers we wrote we had their rival Gary Player practical joke by filling Rebecca's office with sheep. Does this mean anything to you. Know <music> God Kenya. David wrote a lot of really really funny scripts fi riders yeah yeah less last thing. I want to ask you is how did it feel <hes> when NBC decided to do the tribute show I i. I guess you had your doubts because you made a joke you said to Sean Hayes who was producing it. You asked him <hes> if you could take drugs that they were taking yeah so you're strike me as a kind of a humble guy was it. Was it tough to to to do that to let that everybody pay tribute to you and then get have to get up and make a speech yes yeah. I'm not you know I've acted in a few shows. I'm sure you guys I was in a new heart and a road. We have them all here. Yeah fortunately <hes> it's my <hes>. It's my it's not even a real. It's it's only an IRA <hes> <hes> it was very difficult for me. I you know I am. I am a humble guy. I <hes> I work. I you know I work from the heart and to see all that tribute Luke. It was amazing to me but the great moment that those at home didn't see was the fact of the big bank has going over to the cast of friends who they had watched while and hugging and people going to see the taxi cast cheers cast these actors in shows. I did lighter who had grown up on. These shows to get all these people in this room at the same time. was you know it. was you know it was. I got such an office out of it. I I in case. You didn't know I was Jewish. I I was I was. I was thrilled by it. I can imagine I I I had. I had a wonderful time showing your humility. You gave credit to everyone around you. I mean right down to the crew the actors the show runners the writers right yeah to preserve it. They deserve it. I'm nothing without them that sweet. We could do one hundred shows. There's so much I I mean. I don't know if you can see the cards arts. I have on the table. I got about twenty cards here. I even asked me anything you want. I even made a list of the pie of some of the series that that that I like like he was talking about free country that you that you directed the associates with Martin Short dummy best of the West Pacific Station with Robert geom- Madman the people with the Great Dabney Coleman Georgia Leila. We talked about <hes> Vic Vic Frescoes Sean Saves the world <hes> Don Rios Pearl Stark raving being mad. These were good shows yeah yeah but <hes> you know it's just finale boys. Oh that's what Joey yeah yeah another one and Liber teeny Libertine God joy pants and Chris Maloney yes yes but they didn't have the luck you did. They didn't have the things is going for them. That you know it just sometimes shows works. Sometimes they don't. I you know it's <hes> it's it's a crapshoot and I've been holding back from asking you to do this. But can you sing a little of my country Tis they. Why don't you haven't seen as half Torah. I pay somebody to sing my after did it was <hes> speaking of that. I was I was my parents. My parents asked me at thirteen <hes> question. You should never ask a young Jewish boy which is do you you. WanNa be Bob Management because the Jewish boy will say no because it work so I was not neither was Gilbert. Yeah what I wasn't you still do it. You can still do it because I was by. Mitch fit at forty seven and years old how how old was Kirk Douglas's side. He was like in his nineties nineties. He's always been mentioned a forty seven because my first wife was a conservative. Jew and I said why not so I was committed an Orthodox Schule. I <hes> I did the prayers in and out of the Torah. I paid a guy to sing door form. You weren't kidding and and <hes> as a tribute to me <hes> <hes>. At My Fiftieth Birthday Party <hes> Brandon Tartikoff the late wonderful Bill Brandon Tartikoff who was my dear friend <hes> made a video for me and one of the P the a couple people interviewed they interviewed the Charles Brothers and the Charles Rather said I was the only man they knew that was by Mitchell to forty seven and lost his hair at thirteen. Ah So I got two guys here. We're not originally Bar Mitzvah when they were when they were supposed to be but you can be my Mr data anytime yeah and James will direct it. Gill Yeah Yeah if some people will promise he'll come forth money. You'll get cufflinks fans <hes>. Are you going to do something else with Norman. Lear you did the the Family Jefferson's reboot. Yeah I had a great time. I had a wonderful time. I work with Norman. Yeah Yeah One on my idols and <hes> with all these actors who <hes> who are all wonderful stars in their own right who came together earned was was in my in my life boat with me. It's Nice we may just wonderful show and it was thrilling and exciting and it got good ratings and I think they're doing a couple more. I and it was <hes> you know it was wonderful to direct the Bible because <hes> <hes> they'll scripts. Are you know they are great. They're sacred their sacred yeah. I know you're a big admirer of Larry David <hes> James James but did you know that Larry David Directed Gilbert and a pilot down. I don't know that right at an elected yeah he wrote. He wrote his forgive me. It was a pilot Coal Norman Corner. Have you heard of it. I have not okay barely have I were starting with Arnold. Stang was show bad bad wasn't in fact you near slater years later when they were pitching. Seinfeld <hes> <hes> they they yes well. Okay who's who'd be writing this and they said Larry David and they said isn't he the Guy World Caliber Scout for James. We'll send you a link so you can enjoy all my God. God I can't I can't wait. We'll sleep at night. We'll send you a link. Thanks so much for doing this. I'll thank you guys. This was a joy oy for us. Thank you I appreciate it and <hes> some questions. I've never been asked before and I loved it. I'm glad thank you GONNA sing. My I can on my country. Tis But I had to sing in all <hes> also I can also sing <hes> <hes> from the Opera Carmen Goddamn on Today News Audi Fonua Ella Man of many talents man as eight the Emmys and you just made them sing my country James. Thank you so much. Thanks for all the years of entertainment for being such a part of our lives. Thank you guys you're so sweet and good luck well. This is Gilbert. Godfrey has been Gilbert Godfrey Jr amazing colossal podcasts with my co host Frank Santo Padre a end the man who's done millions. TV show millions never fucking high. You heard me James Shopper. You got a better choice of better. A chance of Edgar Rice burroughs James. Thank you so much. What one of my favorite shows that we've done. Thank you soon as bad okay you can see. 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Adam Arkin and Alan Arkin

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Adam Arkin and Alan Arkin

"Gilbert Godfrey Signatures Gilbert Godfrey mazing colossal podcast with my co hosts. Frank Santo Bodry. Where please welcome, not one but two guest on the show this week. I, Mark. Reducer Emmy winning director and an Emmy and Tony nominated actor who's been a fixture on the big and small screen for decades in film slyke hit the doctor. Wrestling Miss Empty Guay. Serious man sanctions and popular TV. Shows like Chicago hope no exposure that west wing jerk monk how to get away with murder and Boston legal the newsroom. He's also so sought after director of claimed episode. Of, ceres, such as threes. THE AMERICANS MASTERS UP SEX FARGO JUSTIFY BILLION SONS OF ANARCHY and sanction. and. If we ask him nicely. He might tell us about working with billy Barty and Pat McCormick. Alan Arkin Director Authored Children's book off their infra. Joe Former folk singer. Tony and Oscar winning for former and one of the most, if mired actors of his generation or any generation. You know his work from memorable films like the Russians are coming the Russians coming catch twenty two. Wait until dark. Seven percent solution Argo Glengarry Glen Ross. And Little Miss Sunshine and the movie. We've discussed at length on the show the in-laws he's also written several books, including the terrific, two thousand and nine eleven, memoir and Improvised Swipe. But, even with all those set chief men. His one radius, thrill and honour Worcester shared the screen with me. Kilgore got freed in nineteen eighty five cinema classic bad medicine. For, it was one of the highlights. It was not the of. Two to three others in. holderness much. Out of a movie that will never again. Realize. One. Four Times I played Mexicans which will. Never fly again now I whole. I thought now read the rested as just enough. That's enough oh okay. That's interesting because you were I, both of us played as Spanish guys. In the movie and would that be allowed nowadays, no, because other. Hispanic actors in the world would. Would probably rightfully make a hue and cry. I. Think I think we're done for his for his concern, Gilbert. You want you want to tell the audience who's? Finished the INTRO. Ladies and gentleman lately. I'm having a stroke that'll minded. Can you get? Can't get a sense of. The bottle there a bottle of this. Marketing and Alan Arkin. That's it. Hello everyone. Welcome. Thank you, thank you. We got we got through it. That's another thing. I mean your entire career. You play so many different nationalities. I couldn't be until was thirty. Five I couldn't go anywhere new. Me Would Be Latham I didn't know how to do that I. had a place somebody as far away from me as you. The Basel Catch twenty two was the first time I ever went, I asked I asked Nichols as who is this guy who is? How do you see him? He says it's you. It's terrified man. There is no me. And I was right. Turns I was listening I gotTa tell before we go any further? You're responsible for the single funniest joke I've ever every time. I think event I crack up and I've been thinking of all time now. The one the one. You you joke about Manson having lunch with Ms, it is the fun is single job I've ever. I was having lunch. Jolts match in the middle of lunch. He turned to me and Ted. Is it hot knee or am my crazy? Noble. TOLD LEAD TO. Every time we. Thank. Gilbert what what about the hitler-stalin joke? The hitler-stalin Roosevelt one that the party Oh God. Still. I remember that one Hitler. Joke, where I'm walking down the street and I pay us right by Hitler naive and say hello. and. And he turned around to me and said Oh. I guess I'm the enemy now. Close Rate I remember the joke now. I was talking to hit or at a party afterwards. I went over. The royals fell to its at the same party, and I said that Guy Hitler. I don't like him and Roosevelt said Oh Gilbert who do you like? Up. God. Ask! All right as long as long as we're doing silliness, right front, and we'll jump around like crazy Adam. We talked on the phone about you working with Pat McCormick and billy. Barty and I shared with Adam that. Gilbert had lost a part to billy. Barty, S. Which Adam found rather and try to. What what? What did you lose? Okay, not not a big, not a great film by any permanent ended. I. Eight was. Life stinks. Melt broke break Jer. Show I wish opposed to play I. Guess so like the list Bob! Makes many. Thank our to me got bill barring. A lot of people. Think Billy, billy Barty legless is kind of Bananas Bananas. Double silly. I would change the names of that story. What was it like McCormick? At I know you told me you were supposed to be on that shoot for a couple of weeks and it turned out to be what. I was supposed to be on it. I think for like three weeks and I ended up. Being employed over twenty two weeks. The. Under the rainbow. Those were the days in which a lot of the key players on film Sur could get away with imbibing of various substances and. And I think there were about three or four complete. You know having to shut down for a while in order to get everybody back together again after film. Tell formation to tell that. Story where you ask them. What's in his famous stone? That's We were standing. We're sending while they were lighting. They had asked us to stand there and we'd been there for like twenty minutes and. Started getting really hot and and It was a different time, so people weren't afraid of sharing a drink. But he had a big. FROSTY LOOKING Wax Soda Cup in his hands. He was drinking. I said what is that? said it's Pepsi. Can I can I. Can I have a sip of it? Enhance to me and I take a Swig of it and. It's just. It tastes like a third of it as Bourbon you know. and. And I and I look at them. Say Jesus Christ. Where do you get your pap? Pepsi and he just looks at me with his is slightly hooded and glazed goes bulbs, crazy boy. All he said about. Bob's crazy. We we've had our share. Pat McCormick stories on this show because we've had people like Henry on here. You know this famous story of of going F- He went food shopping with Pat. McCormick and he dropped all of his. You know this one drops his groceries on the on the on the checkout and he says. Did I buy enough toilet paper for all the? The stories are legendary. I used to love him when he would when he would actually show up on the tonight. Show is is with Jani were made. Everybody's in under the rainbow. Leonard Bar Gilbert turns up and under the. Said Sir allegedly Dean Martin Sonko. Okay I always wondered that would strew. How many times have you guys worked together? Do you have an exact number because I mean? This hour ago really? Guess Adam how this of. Off. The top of my head I would say it would have to be at least eight times. Rats exactly right really eight times. Chicago hope I know about you. Chew and the Philly Flash the Larry Cohen Movie. Out recently get shorty. But then I've been erected by DAD number of times on stage. You have. Did you ever of Steven on there. Yeah, I do and Jota Lauren. And Maxwell Anderson play so. And then the last, the last thing was GET SHORTY! Where were love that I love that I? Love that camera. Thank you. A question to both of you because I heard this from both of you, and this is a thought that I always thought when I was going into show business. I used to believe seriously if I had a career in show business then. They was no such thing as sickness or death or being depressed or angry through nothing nothing that. I thought yeah one. You're in show business. None of your immune to all light. So. Alan that comes up in your book a lot. I mean the the idea that that you. You weren't comfortable. Until until the in laws, I think you said you weren't really even having you hadn't even learn how to have fun. Who If if I did. was. The was halfway decent that it was always. A Sigh of relief survived that. that. Was it was I thought? Oh is having fun until I actually had fun one Dan. I saw. This is what fun is like. It's not like the other things that I was doing for thirty years. Oh. It just gives me a flashback when we were in Madrid with bad medicine I remember you saying Oh. I feel like I'm doing a movie. According to the Kurdish now. You've. You've felt I think both of you felt like you were also. You'd be immune to like depression or anything bad. Yeah, yeah, and then you get successful and the and if you're SMART USA, Hey, wait a minute. There was a life around this. When they say caught, you gotta go back to life and you have to do something. It occurred to me when I was about thirty five. Did you. There's there's so much in the book about Data Ben. I saw you telling Kevin Pollack that. In your early performances you were the intensity was was a kind of a desperation. Terror is mostly Tara. IBM had wanted so badly for so long. Those terrified them. What would happen if? I make it work out of make work to make it work. And it's not a good way to live. And, you always thought you were going to get fired and I yeah I might always had one eye on. People were accepting. And at what point did Adam come to you and I was? Is there a specific memory atom of the day that you made the decision? That I'm going to do this and part? Two of that question is did that. Did he impart the kind of the advice from the lessons that he was in the process of learning. Always, yeah, I mean not not necessarily packaged as you know. I'm giving you a lesson now. But but primarily through watching him live through those periods, and and being very able to share his experiences with me and other people's well I don't remember there being a day when I said this is what I'm going to do I I I was separated from dad for a number of years between the ages of flight, four eleven, and was visiting with him during school vacations and during that time. he went from being a former folk singer, looking for work to getting his into second city, getting his first Broadway show, getting a Tony Award for that getting his first movie, getting an Academy Award for that this was all over the space of that time period from age four to eleven I already was already always pining for him, and wanting to spend more time with him, and then from a distance seeing this incredible transformation, it made it a very intoxicating a potential life that I wanted to be a part of you know. No way for. Senior play with with friends, even at the age of four five six seven two games. You would play. Very often be theatrical games and. There's an idol if you remember that, but the, but it just felt like it was a given i. it's nothing we ever talked about, but it just seemed to me that that's what was happening. that you were preparing yourself even a new games you'd be doing scenes from movies and try and reenact with kids. Run the name, so you never said anything to dissuade him. Allen or your other two sons who are also actors. Now at that point I thought it was I thought it was an honorable profession. Always tell us about. Your! Your folks singing career. Terriers. Born at all. People well I i. play the guitar since Ozeki Kid and I got out of college inevitably diamond. It have anything to do. Looking for work, and somebody said YOU WANNA. Be Part of a trio I said I. Get addition with a somebody that this group is looking for another member so I said okay. I got an a group I thought it'd be of way making pocket money on weekends. We got together and within a month or two. We had a record contract and we had. Hit record a very very quickly and I went around the world with them for a couple of years and. I thought it was going to be entree to an acting career and. A naive young man that I was. And it didn't so I quit them after two years, and had enough money to coast for a couple years as a result of the success of one song. And A and that was it that was my new and the album. The are available in their great to. The music's the music's online. Anybody can listen to it. The dairy also Calypso heat wave. Tell us the one song with one song. That was a big hit. It was the banana boat song, but everybody thinks was A. The same as Harry Belafonte is new wasn't. It's the. Make this short as possible. Harry. Belafonte had his version on an album called DEO. Nobody knew about it they they bought the album nobody by that, so we released ours and called the banana boat saw it started climbing up the charts. Harry Belafonte changed the name of his song to the Banak. Chase up the charts and one and then sued us. which was left out cord because we both stole the song from the same place which? Jamaican folks. We're both stolen changed it. But, but before you pull the plug, you did get to be in a movie with my Angelou. That's right before she was Calypso heat wave. Force which I think is my favorite Alan Arkin. Maya Angelou Angelescu. In the book talk about how you were in Paris. You were playing. That was the the famous. Olympia Theater and in the middle of performance. You suddenly saw this guitar on your back. You look down at the outfit you're wearing, you said what the Hell am I doing? I quit the night. I stayed through the GIG. And then I still gotta get out in. Ideally go back to. What I'd studied to do and and Adam. You worked with Captain Kangaroo. I did and I both worked with I only work. Data Dab Dad had data up an established as a character on a few episodes, and after he had been doing it a few times, I got invited to come on and play his father, so there's there's an episode of Captain Kangaroo with. The father to my father. That's nine worth nine. We state. Wasn't there a very short Canadian film project very early in your career. Did you count that one? The short while it's two different things. There was a Canadian film. The Dad was in that. We did a rewrite on together, so we wrote together on that. The shore was a short film called people soup that that's the one of wrote and based on a short story. He had published when he was in his early tee late teens early twenties and It got nominated for an academy award. That little movie would start my brother Matthew and I. And I was all of I think like eleven or twelve. He was nine and you count that one yes. I! Forgot about that. It's interesting to the trajectory of that because you quit, you went back to. New York you got the the phone call to go join the improvisational group in Saint Louis. And, that's when Paul Sale saw you. And invited you to join second city. It's interesting how careers and this is one of the things in your book. How things just sort of happened, well I mean if if I saw you, let them lead you life work that way and the truth matters. That's what say everybody with. Yeah. He asked people my age has your life turned out the way you thought nobody's going to say is everybody's said detours and curves anger they lament. How much you plan! How much you decide! This is the way it's going to be. It's never going to be the way I'm going to be a teacher because a secure and I'll be in one place for the next fifty years. You're in there for three years, and they want tenure and tenure five. You GotTa do fifty and other things. Everybody's life is an improvisation whether they like it or not. Sooner or later, it's profound. I TRY TO BE PROFOUND WHATEVER MONTH? Brings. Tell us how the inlaws game together is the most Banal Story. Imaginable I never met Peter for I looked at I was a fairly good place in my career. That point I looked at that. Tell us doing a talk. Show and I said he and I would do good movie together and I was in. I call them up. Peter I says. How how I? I, so I think we do good movie together. You're interested, sherm We'll do it. So I I called John Kelly was they had warner brothers I said I, think Peter Falk and I might do a pretty good movie to go. He says you've got a bright. You've got an idea. I said No. You gotTA rider I, said not really he said you got anybody in mind. I said Yeah. I had just read the first draft of blazing Saudi saddles, which is one of the three greatest scripts? I've ever read my life. The one that Andrew Bergman road before black bar. There's a lack part it was A. Script and I said I want this guy. I'd like this guy to write it. This is Okay Hira as I, said let me beat them I'll talk to so I went to admiral I said he want to movies as sure. I says you got an idea so well. The only thing I know is that Peter should drive me insane I said as the movie goes on, he should drive me insane. That's the only idea I have. I think that would be somehow a funny conjunction because there's something door about in. And that would be good dry. Six two months later. He comes back with this perfect script. Perfect perfect script, we and that was it. That's the end of the story. Andrew sends a message by the way Alan. We had him here and he was here with the Norman Steinberg one of the writers on blazing saddles. He says ask Alan if he recalls discussing a pirate story, and which Peter would put a patch over his good is. You, almost directed blazing saddles, you couldn't you had yet casting challenge? Yeah, I couldn't find somebody to play the punt needed. Somebody could BOO Goo. Version as if you needed as a needed somebody to play. Dizzy Gillespie and I couldn't anybody who played the single history. Yeah, yeah, they went to finding the right gun and you. You mentioned before that you were the idea of being your father was a teacher. And he he was one of the victims of the whole red scare that we've talked about. Yeah, he was teaching in the La School City school system and they decided they're going to have their own tribunals. Were everybody right down. The political beliefs in a bunch of people said you have the right to ask what a politics of the best private information. This is guaranteed I. Mean It's led the way of. Private polls. It's none of your business. So, he got fired was. condemned. The outta work for about fifteen years. Sued this city of the school system and one, but he had died. After he won his case against the LA school system. Sadly, you said you've said your your politics and your family politics sort of peaked out in your work a little bit. Over! That that that that your political beliefs or or even the the the trauma of all that has has shown up in your work. And formed it a little bit. Over the years not mistaken the politics of it, but the But the the the social issues which my parents felt strongly about. Still feel strongly about feel like I. Spent a lot of time working at through my the idea of racial equality I grew up with since I was a one racially quality of the treating Labor. Fairly the quality of the sexes The group that you were the group? We were talking about earlier. The group that you were in the terriers was comprised of two Caucasians one African American there they they couldn't play in a third of the states in in the country at that point yet. We we were so immersed in in an alternate culture that we didn't always doing something unusual at that point, I mean we just really three guys in one guy happened to be black. We didn't even notice my first friends in my life were black to black kids next store, so it was just the. It was something that I grew up with the idea of. Apprentice. was. Sh. Vehemently shunned by my entire family to earn. Some of whales brought up on. That formula was. An Anam you one said that you could play. You're good at playing. I think the term was Harry guys. that. Hot. Act I felt it left a wide range of options for casting choices when it came to me. Yeah, well between full moon high and Northern Exposure Yeah Yeah Adam and northern exposure. He sort of. Play are mainly our. I am I played Greeks not. We've done a lot of shows we've. We've talked a lot about the blacklist on this show Allen. We've had Lee grant here and. We talked about it with that Asner, and and and several several other people. Because a lot of what this show is that we do is about is about entertainment history. Very very very tragic period. It was a tough period. Yeah, what was weird about it? People say like now I said no, it's not it wasn't like now. Because about a quarter of the population lived under state of stated feeling like they were about the concentration, the rest of them were doing. gidget goes to Hawaii three quarters of the. And, now everybody on the same in the same boat, different sides of the boat with the same boat. What about you? Adam is you? Obviously? You grew up in the same family. Same sense of social justice does it. Does it sometimes? emerge appear and your work. Is it. Is it impossible to separate the artist? Your beliefs yeah I. Mean I, it certainly has tended to inform the choices I've made when when there was a choice to be affiliated with something that felt. politically irresponsible or or Or unwise, but I also played my share of people on the other side of the spectrum. I liked the character on sons of anarchy. Yeah, yeah, and and and the character I played on how to get away with murder. it. It it doesn't bother me to explore the other side of the equation when it comes to a character as long as it's not in some way promoting those ideas, a project that promoted them I couldn't I couldn't abide but. Filling that part of the narrative is fine with me. You play a pretty convincing sociopath on sons of anarchy. Thank you. And I think you've played a morbidly obese sky. On monk, I did yeah. I I was one of three actors to play the same role but I I was the first person to play a character named Dale the whale, and then and then two other actors. After me. Play the role and I never understood what the thinking was except the they were looking for the right guy. You guys. A lot of actors WanNa play those kind of characters. They WANNA play heavies. They WANNA play. Dark characters they want to explore that side of themselves. Obviously Allen. You played one of the great screen. Heavies! Harry wrote well. Thank you. People got with an I didn't get very good reviews when I did I don't think people knew what I was doing. But as time went on like a better reaction to it over the decades. Stephen King raves about that that guy. That's what you've read what he's. Clutch by the I didn't even know on the movie the what he did. They didn't even know on the movie what he was doing for for part of the time, they they. You had tremendous resistance initially when you when you first came in playing the role that way, and then I had moment when I pulled a knife off of the first arm, and they said Aw, they recognize what was doing liberal who played it on stage. Duval Robert Dole. Yeah and what was it like working with Jury Hafer? What whatever your hopes and dreams are about what she would have been like. She was better than that she was. She was an elegant, lovely, charming, fun-loving, hard, working sweet, dear human being and I just. I was enormously impressed with her. I hated hated being under hated it. And Rotten tour you were Stephen. King listed is Stephen. King says it's screen villainy. Rivaling Peter Laurie animal. That degenerate wow God. That's A. About that you didn't have the German going for you. Going back and W. Gilbert, give the boys a little bit of your Peter Laurie just as comic interlude. Okay? No, it was you were and. Hewitt's Yup pretty stupid. Tim by Kevin found out how valuable it was no wonder he had such an easy time getting it. You impressive Yoga Bloated Fayek pets. We like to throw those in. But my my youngest son Tony and I have a game. One word imitations of people. Imitate anybody and whether you only use one word. Appeal and Cheese. How. I think it was a may have been jolly callous. Someone who came up with that Boris Karloff was often t paths. That's right. That's right. We got the first short conroy. Slide. Cary Grant Carey Grant. WAS CODA Roy. What does it say again? Corduroy? Big. Deal what about Humphrey Bogart in the postal us when I hold bait back. Yes I'm free BOGART IN THE POST Office Steve. Allen knows correct and. Go See when he's not wearing a watch and you ask them what time it is. Cooked. And and Christopher Walken when you. I come who is favorite stooge mall. The best word for wall auto. About playing creepy characters, like Ethan in sons of anarchy, or even, and he's lovable, but but he's certainly a an antisocial character, and that's adams character, northern exposure who we talked about and I heard you say he was close to the real you in some ways in nor the Adam in northern exposure. Yeah. He, he's yeah, he's my. Adam northern exposure is just my living is. A! He is a misanthrope. Yeah. I got to play that role because the producers of northern exposure had had produced another short lived, but very good series called a year in the life and I was playing a very conservative conservative character on that show, and after working with me for a bit they they came to the realization that I was kinda nuts and and said. We want to find something to write to that some day. I was like by all means, so that show came to an end in a year later a they sent over the script introducing the character on northern. It was just a thing of beauty. Yeah. It's a lot of people. Consider it the best episode of that show a well. I don't know about that, but but it was certainly an, and then you started. Directing northern was the first chance I ever had to direct an episode and they. They were kind enough to let me do that after I, had observed in and shadowed other directors on the show for while. People are Bruce. Working People crews come up to the all time and say GonNa talk to him as you see, we just got through working with your son. We loved working with. That's A. That's a nice nice bit of feedback Adam to hear that so many actors enjoy being directed by. It's yeah, it's. Nothing could be a higher compliment as I actors and the cruise cruise to a lot of people I saw an interview with Barry Sonnenfeld here a couple of weeks ago, and he was saying how important it was for a director to know the answers to questions, even if he didn't know them, yeah to aunt to answer any question if somebody says which which which which watch, yeah, which vase? And and you said that that's something that at the beginning you were doing, and now you've evolved a little bit on that. It's you've you've earned the right to not know the answer right away. Well I I first of all anything Barry Sonnenfeld has to say about directing I will take a backseat to that because I have a huge amount of respect for him, but I and I think there are a million. A million micro decisions that you have to just make up your mind about but just as importantly for me. I have found that The more I've opened up to the help and the advice of people around me on a crew of the better I do Crews, our. Crews are filled with people who have a huge amount of expertise in their individual disciplines and. it. It's just insane not to avail yourself of that. You don't have to you everyone's idea every time you hear one but but nine times out of ten I have found that by relying on the expertise of the people on my crew I, I end up making better decisions as a director and a question to both of you watch the first sign that you're working with a bad director. The first son, yeah? When you're that moment where you say this guy, just us. Nobody's doing any timely cast me automatically suspect. Hurdle. They're going to have to climb over the course of our relationship with one another. I. Find A. Immediately suspicious of directors that don't really communicate with the cast after the initial takes of of a scene To you know whenever whenever the notes are not character or story related, but simply technical over and over again and a sense that you're trying to be molded into a shot that is interesting because of what it is as shot rather than whether it's really serving the scene that that that always tends to make me a little nervous. Allen's in the witness protection program. He just wanted to I Figure I I don't know. I can't locate it to like one moment, but I do not like directors at scream at the grew I have a think about that. Don't like that. I don't I, I'm I'm living area people that decide they want to do. improvisations before we start shooting I, we don't know each other Those direct is always that. Make by start rolling my eyes because. Everybody wants to get the work on the dam script. And once you got the script a little bit under your belt venting then an improvisation could be exciting and as a tool, but to start out with with people. You don't know improvising characters don't know yet. It just starts feeling like a waste of time, and it's always been. At that to me is like a novice director I don't like directors that don't want to rehearse that. That annoys me I. Don't like actors that don't WanNa hers. They think these ruin their spun eighty at which time I point to them out the most spontaneous. the most spontaneous performance of the history of movies, Brando and Streetcar who had at that point done about three hundred times on Broadway when he did so a. don't want to hear about spontaneous from people. Make it look spontaneous. Do, do you. misdirecting ally directed a hand I just started I'd love to directing. I watched little murders last night. which is just so and so proud of the credibly. Commits very currents surprisingly. Yes, I. I was going to mention. Paranoid. Broken down like police chief for shop like lieutenant practice. A. Terrifies even me when I watch, and then I played the garden you made it and what seventy seventy one and it's and it's as relevant as emily one. Was it seventy seventy, one God that's fifty years I believe so yes old. And! We liked fire sale on this show. We've talked about it a lot. That's another one that will ever. Old were. You obviously had a taste. Maybe you still do for black comedy and. Tell us about the late great Fred Willard, who was in the original little murders Oh. My God was huge because we just lost. I know he was. You've spent time with him. You felt like you with some farmers assistant from Idaho. Hints Verno. No vestige of a sense of humour then gets on stage, and it just wipe the floor with everything that was going on around, he added. He played. Played the lead in little murdered saw my production off Broadway. And every there's a scene in which Patsy. Yeltsin has a long monologue where she's yelling at him, and he's sitting in the listen. He fell asleep in that scene every night of the run and she had. Him. Sleep on stage every night. I had a thought about him. Because you had brought him up. We were talking about him Franken. Our earlier conversation and But but he there was something about Fred I never thought of this before, but the swimming about him that carried on the tradition of Bob and Ray in in a certain way that there was something about interesting something about the the the the minute show of these kinds of simpleton characters that that he was able to make so hysterically funny over and over again. At by underplayed yeah. And they both like specialized in like really barring character. Who? Derek honey in there is there. There's there's a great story in the book. I'll I'll make people by the book Alan and read it. There's a great story and improvised life where you were you through the cast and improvisation Oh. Little murders in little. Doubt Yeah I'll make them by the book by the way we love those actors Gobert. How much do we love not only Elliott gold who turns up in a great episode of the Kaminsky method by the way but Vincent Gardner. Elizabeth Wilson and Lou Jacoby. We live for these papers. Just just wonder if we put up an electrified fence, and if they catchier going outside of it, they beat the shit out. I don't like it, but it's an emergency. We get a lot of listeners. This shows also on Sirius radio. Now as I told you guys, we're going to recommend to the people listening a little murders which you can find, and it's terrific, and also fire sale with that great cast, and Alan, and I were on the phone, talking about Richard Liber teeny. Who who can do no wrong. But. Kay Medford Vincent Gardenia Rob Reiner I mean. SID CAESAR TURNS UP THAT'S Agean at comber scenarious. It's a great cast logo. Really Yeah truly funny, we all. Were while I'm at, it works for me I must be in the minority. I love that you said to that that you need to see people having a good time. You need to know that people are enjoying each other when you're watching. Yeah, but she also said when you go to Carnegie Hall or when you owe you any kind of you see a music group together. It helps you to know that they get along. But everybody feels. That with this album think about it. You get the the to find out the Beatles didn't get along is depressing. Doesn't make any sense and it's. It's depressing for all of mankind. It's just A. I you say to yourself. What can they be? The something like the United Nations Doctors Without Borders people just doing the silly stuff game. Have a good time on. What's what sold for the rest of us and Martin and Lewis. Yeah here's Dari Tabatabai. Safran Stilo you don't WanNa know yeah, yeah, it does. It hurts your enjoyment of it. I got a couple of questions from listeners. I, warned you guys. About seventy of but I'm going to narrow actual five or six. These, These were sending. Other shows so you're gonNA give. Question. HAGGERTY's. James! but it can find leave, says I don't have a question, but but a comment. The Sardine Likud in big trouble. Is the single funniest thing I have ever seen an actor. Longest spit taken history. Yes, yeah and bet. I told beverly you were coming on, and she said I never forgot the honor of working with that man and the grace he showed. On big trouble, Beverly Angelo I thought you. Know. I used to go up to a pre beverly. You look just beautiful today. She's don't. Don't ever say that. Tell me that. Here's one from somebody. You may know Adams you know a gentleman named Sherman Allen certainly do. He says first of all I want to ask. You've got to ask Alan something about the original Broadway production of the Sunshine Boys, but I also want you to get Adam to tell one of his long jokes. Possibly Shelley Berman. Time for me to tell a joke I. I think so. something suitable. All right. A kid is sitting on a park bench, eating some candy. And an old man walks up to them and says kid. You don't WanNa do that. You don't eat candy canes bad for you You keep eating candy. You're GONNA, have all kinds of problems with your health. Take it from me. Kid looks up and he says My grandfather lived to be one hundred three. The old man says related. Did he a lot of candy? Kid says nobody minded his own fucking business. For US Sherman. We will return to Gilbert, Godfrey Amazing Colossal podcasts, but first a word from our sponsor. I want to talk about better help. Something interfering with your happiness or preventing you from achieving your goals, yes. I, I saw that coming up. Broadway I'll better help. 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Relatively objective to what I think I'd capable of the join have done if unhappy with critical of the defied feel like. I've made. A couple of technical errors or choicers and stuff things like that I'm. I don't know how why or how, but I would think relatively object. Some somebody wants asked me ended uses the ever look back at old performs decribing and feeling that I said yeah, but that means you're growing in these. New better another Bruins, so that's okay, songwriter. Everything's Fine I. Love the world everything's Yeah. Everything's aside from where all prisoners in are homes, but otherwise I watched some of my work, and want to crawl under the furniture, and and occasionally I end up being pleasantly surprised that things turned up better than I thought. They say there've been several occasions. We'll have known other places. Would add. Them. How, what what's a favourite performance or if not a favourite performance? What what? What's a performance that you just? You can't turn off if you see Adam. Doing it or is verse? Northern exposing the definitely. I love the Philby directed of. My other son Matthew's wife. What the I wasn't named Adam I. It Tony's wife, Amelia. And it was my Louisiana Sky. It's very. On, my watch watch very good times as beautiful. His work on a on east wing West, what is West One west wing, West Wing and Yup. Bows and The first thing ever did which is people soup, which is short film I still love to watch. That's four. How many more do you need? That's enough. Adam same question. You know I just had the great pleasure of turning my son onto the Russians are coming. The Russians are coming. and. I! How old is your son? He's fifteen and he knows he knows his grandfather's work, but he he knows his. His current work more recent work better. He'd never seen it and. I just love that movie. I love the entire movie and I think DADS performance in it. Would be amazing under any circumstances the fact that it's his first film. It always blows me away. It's just such a masterful beautiful piece of work. I love him in Little Miss Sunshine I loved him in the film the hardest lonely. Hunter! and. And Got It's Har-. It's hard to pick just a few because there's so many that have just blown away. I'M A fan. in-laws is right up there, too. You know speaking speaking of the in laws. Allen Andrew was on with us, he he told us that an obviously he's. He wrote it, and he seen it hundreds of times. He says the little moments in the film. The throwaway moments are the things that bust him Bob now. Like Peter Talking about the chicken sandwich. Well, that was INR is. That I forced into. We were rehearsing. That seem driving backwards on the on the fee Wendy. Didn't have any dialogue there and he just started talking about just start talking about this chicken sandwich. He just even. I said you got grant I said you gotTA. You GotTa do that. The film is filming, so he said okay, and and he did it, and that was that was I. Think one of the few things supervised the moon I remember to after an insane car chase in the end laws. They finally the car stops and and you say did. We hit the little boy crossing the street? A. That was written. What makes Andrew. Laugh is like faulk in the coffee shop. Saying to the GUY is this DECAF? It's very. One of my favorite things in the whole move is the fact that we're talking about secrecy emissions of the top of our loans. Right. But the two things still crack me up in the book. Is that the fact that we make no reference frame and he's talking about secrets. Young thing is when I'm running for my life in the hotel and Mexico and he keeps. Throwing me down to the ground. He about three or four times by that time so insane that. Position, going. Those laws home to. Set classic part of the film. were a talks about the giant flies. It's not all. The the Jose. Jose Greco stemware face. This red tape and the book August flies. I'm going to mention to Alan. Arkin performances that maybe maybe fly under the radar, a little bit Allen when people look at your career Simon Blue. That's fine I like under the radar. I liked that one. and. You're Sigmund Freud in the seven percents. was afraid to look at that I felt like I. Underplay that. It's great. It's a great. It's a great movie performance. Second screwed up because what happened was I got the part and. I started researching foyt a research and research at can reading the script and I say this has got nothing to do with what he's like he was. This is nothing to do with what Florida's I finally talked the writer. So, what did you do here? He said Yeah. No, it's not Freud. It's my father. My father says as I understand me. But by that time was too late so I was playing I was felling was riding. Two horses I'm attain is. So nice image. Also hearts of the West that that was fun of. Another another good little film. We were talking about how we had Walter Matthau Son Charley and Chris Lemmon Jack Lemmon son here last week, and we're talking about a lot of these wonderful little movies. Especially in the seventies. That wouldn't really be made today. They wouldn't get the releases. Movies like hearts of the West's movies like Simon, maybe even the in laws. A tiny movie that cost nothing one of the best science fiction films. I've ever seen yeah yeah. It's. Borderline genius. It's on what the Hell's the name of an atom. What's? Your bedroom. I! Nine something of night. Of. A vast of night. It's a strange titled. Of night it's absolutely brilliant. Looks With films that never would have gotten made. It's like you wonder how I don't think Pacino Deniro Jack Nicholson Dustin Hoffman with the films they made. Would job have a courier now? We were talking about movies like the less detail and. Kramer versus Kramer and and and the and these kind of films Serpico after noon Dog Day afternoons. A great example films that would fight not would would would may be character-driven stories that would end up on television now as opposed to getting, agree with that. Yeah very much, so and those those films were so they were so informative for me, so so formative and Remember. What was that Al Pacino Gene Hackman movie scarecrow yes crow Jerry Schatzberg. And again probably something that would have been. had been made on cable now and somewhere. But, you're directing a lot of this kind of television now. You're working on these very good. These quality shows. Actor driven shows like succession and masters of sex, and to and to certain degree Fargo certainly sons. And and don't forget what he did with With get shorty, one and get shorty is another good example. Yeah, I've been I've been very lucky. on some of the material I've gotten to work on the past ten years. It's a gun to collaborate with some of the the best television makers out there now and it's it's been you think we're experiencing a renaissance and television I think it's been. It seems we seems we are. It's been going on for some time and. It's been one of the few plusses of everybody being cooped up as much as they have I think a lot of stuff that had flown under the radar for large audiences is now getting a second chance to be seen because there's there's so little original programming being made now that we're going back and looking at some of the great work that's been done over the past few years. There's let's put Kaminsky method in that in that group to another another character driven very smart show very much so and Allen you said unlike so many actors you like working with Kids Yeah I love working with kids well. My my train is improvisation and I, when I. See a kid who's. Guys. Glassy 'cause he's he's. They're focused on. The lines has been learning. I do things the trip them up. Change something. He's got a force of self back into the moment of what's going on. I'm Watson while you work with a kid who is extraordinarily like I did with. In in little. Miss Sunshine working with Gil was amazing. It's like I was working with an eight year. Old Kid who who behave if she had fifth years of experience behind her, she was extraordinary. Incredibly alive and President Fund. Yeah I love working with kids dogs. I have a hard time. I. Heard you like touching other actors and that that's one of the things you got going with Michael Douglas he didn't mind you touching. Yeah, he's very very easy to work with his incredibly. Flexible in easy to deal with both of you. In do you have a habit in the middle of or performance? You're saying boy I. Just don't know what I'm doing here. Ohio. If I make it to the middle of the performance. Well! I? Had done on stage much more than the film. I don't have that very much, but the onstage used to get that a lot. I was reading that when you were in. Enter laughing. You would get bored by doing the same thing every night, so you would. You would start standing in different places and. Would occasionally throw the other actors off well again. Keeps Life Noyon and not feeling like it was road after four five six months, which doesn't do the actor any good producer. I tried just doing a different piece of blocking in order to just. Get a fresh perspective on a look or something, and the actors will look where I was supposed to be instead of where. I was going to ask that to tell the story about the tell the story about the guy that came backstage after. You've been doing the show for about a year. Long I was in was the plane which was never on stage Concert done it for about eight months. A guy comes back. And you'd never missed a performance and never missed it before it's the guy comes running back stages off Iverson's Eiser. He's missed Oregon I said. Can I tell you? This is one of the greatest performances I've ever seen onstage. He says in between you and me. You're much better than the guy who usually plays the board. Out. There was fifty years ago and I still don't know what I should have. Come out of you! Did plays you did I hate hamlet. You did Brooklyn boy. Did you get bored? Did you get the experience the same thing? No doing the same I I didn't. I mean first of all I. I. I've done a fair amount of theater, but I've never been in production that ran so long that there was ample opportunity to. and second of all the show in which I made my Broadway debut. Hamlet and speaking of seven percent solution it starred Nicol Williamson who who was responsible for getting drunk and attacking another actor on stage about a month into our run. We made the front page of the Post the with blazing headline that said you know Broadway sword play turns real. Actor storms offstage after co-star wax him in but and that was Nicol Williamson and Evan Handler and the insanity that went into that production kept it from ever been boring it. Either for dear life every night. Can I can I tell the story? A little. At around Adam calls me, he was out of town. I say hi how you doing. He's all dead in his play. That's it's Hudson stinking. The players terrible. Please help me. We could come up and look at it. We're. We're having tryouts Outta town. Would you please come up and look at it and I said Sure I. Put on my dad have which I would love doing. And I drove up to where they were having tryouts, and I sat through this performance they go. I can fix him all. I'll give him some suggestions. That'll straighten everything out, and I watched a brilliant brilliant perfect performance in starkly funny play. And I had no nothing to offer whatsoever I, said except the tell the shut up and just do what he's doing and he got a Tony Nomination from Weill. I saw that aspect of Dad just flying out the window little. Houses! It's bittersweet at away. Tell tell us about Groucho Gilbert will appreciate this. Tell us about groucho showing up in the theater and a second like we did a thing. We did a one of our acces. Khrushchev candidate debate when we take suggestions from the audience and I played. Khrushchev's seven darn played my interpreter. Andrew Duncan Played Kennedy and Zohra lampert played Mrs Kennedy and we'd feel questions from the audience and I would answer fake Russian and. My job was very easy. Seven died would make up things to say so. We're we're. We're up. We're doing. The. Scene. Groucho comes one night. We're all wildly excited nervous. He puts his hand up and I wore like. Don't ask me why, but I board like New York cab drivers had as crews. And tell me why don't ask me one. And raises in. He says Mr Gross yet. I said. Where'd you get that? At Governance Seven joining slap seven answers and. Goes on his hand goes up again. He says Whoa. How much would it have cost me? I answered seven translates. Go hand goes up twenty Goddamn Tom. It's always brush. Everything's about the hat that's wouldn't. What sizes there have like that? Tweet or a Gab risk. It was the only time in the history of second city that the all of us had a run which ran off stage quit. In a state of abject hysteria. And he? Stage it was so complimentary in Sweden more than we were so grateful to see him, he's the he was the father improvisations in this country after all his brothers and. A here's the come and see me at openings. And then invited me his home and we got. We got pretty friendly. I was wondering. I Love Them. WHO's lovely guy. What what about the phone call? You got one night from Marlon Brando. Story. I can sitting in. Beverly Hills Hotel Hotel I was staying there for some reason some bub. Listen listening on movies. And I go destroy commitments sitting in the dining. Would in for you. Go over the phone to Mr. Says? Mr Mom and brandon like to speak to you if you have A. So? He says. Do you have time at a half now, a said. Yeah, it's a half hour later. Phone rings Ms. Rock into phone. Call for get on. Hello Allan Hi Susan. It's Marling. I'd never met him I didn't know he knew I was alive. I said. I was. In calm I felt like I. Do some of them strange? How are you says wall in all things considered? I think I'm building pretty well. I said wow, that's a lot of things to consider, and he says what. I was in trouble. Considering all things that's for the take a week. And he invited me to his home to this day. I don't really know why. We spent six hours together talking and. He. I'm not sure I. my suspicion was. He wanted to pump the about about Birdman Birdman because. That was the reason he was so kind of left hand and devious that he never came out as did. But what was really the most interesting thing about the evening? And there was that he always decried acting. Say anybody could do a nobody's knowing. Nothing? He spent the entire evening six hours acting whenever he was talking telling his story, he'd be playing all the characters who? Everybody in the entire evening, while acting constantly, so that was really fascinating. Adam, as we wind down, tell us about working for the COEN brothers in in a serious man, and then interpreting the Coen brothers by the you've obviously you realize long fan, and then getting direct Fargo It was a dream come true. Your first shot by the way has a Coen brothers joke in it. You know what I'm referring to I seen of the first episode of the Castle. Remind remind me what. Scribbled on the wall senior. Greece? Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's an inside. Joke, it was a dream come true. I had been a huge fan of theirs from their first film on and was super excited at the idea of getting to work with them I also knew was a situation that was fraught with the potential for disillusionment, because they were such heroes of mine, but. It more than lived up to any expectations. They were the most Supportive specific. Intelligent and inclusive directors I think I've ever worked for and the way they ran that. Hold the way their organization is run the way they include people. They built rehearsals into the film so that we all at the start of it got worse fitting and put a great deal of time in rehearsing for days, so by the time we went home and then came back to do our work. We we felt like part of a company at that point, so it automatically makes you feel more connected to everybody, and and that carried through to everything. They did with the film after we had shot it their editing sense and their ability to protect anything good. Good that happened in the course of filming a scene, it somehow all ended up on screen. You find yourself in circumstances where if a small portion of what he felt really good about ends up. Somehow apart of things things, it's a win, and in their case they just were able to always curate and take care of anything any happy accident. Any moment that was special and are are so brilliant in their editing choices that they were able to make use of all of it, so they're just. They're just consummate filmmakers and lovely people, and so you want. You wanted to buy if you wanted an opportunity to play. Absolutely yeah with with with Fargo. And Fargo had already established itself as an incredible Adaptation or launch launching point for that data material. Because I came on and worked in the second season of it, so I'd already had the benefit of seeing what they did with the first and was blown. Cohen Bertha seemed like they like chartering the characters in movies. Yeah well, I think I think they view their own lives as having some torture in and and they've put into everything they've done. I, told you on when I was texting you the other night that the episode. Of the to you directed. Pal Jerome is great, too. But the next to last episode of season, two gasoil and I was snooping around online and Fargo fans. LOT OF FARGO FANS consider that to be the best episode that's that's a huge compliment to here, yeah! And it's it's I I again I. Don't know anything about directing, but I was talking to you on the phone about the staging of that that that shootout that scene in the in the motor. which is just fantastic? That was a that was a nail biter prepping for that figuring out the logistics of what was going to have to go into it because we're shooting it. Over multiple days, there were huge action sequences that had to be shot, not only. From within the action but in. Two concentric circles outside of the action everything had to be synchronized. We were shooting on location and on stages, and it all had to be. Cut Together in a way that made it feel like one event. And it it obviously turned out well enough to make an impression people so. We will return to Gilbert Godfrey JR amazing colossal podcast after this. Guy's Radio Jason here in whether you're working from home or working on your fitness. You want what you're listening to to be what you're listening to know. We don't want to catch glimpses and a little sticky bits. Bits bits of what your kids will listen to anyone else. Everyone needs a great pair of wireless ear buds, but before you drop dropping in hundreds of bucks on a pair, you need to check out the wireless ear buds from Ray con their amazing. I got my recon. You're buzzed. Out, everything recognized abroad star for about a half price of the other ones, premium wireless ear buds on the market, and they sound just as amazing as the top audio brands. 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I don't have a question, but I have to thank Allan forgiving me a beautiful family memory. My parents laughing like crazy at the movie. The Russians are coming. The Russians are coming. Allen's accent was perfect because it sounded exactly like my grandparents trying to speak English US nece. If! I quit the the business right. There would've been fine because I I, the experience of doing that movie was absolutely extraordinary in every in every conceivable way Norman Jewison created an atmosphere on the set. I've hardly ever seen since it was. We were all there for the same. Everybody in the cast was absolutely a communal project involved the entire town in the in the making of the film. The Dale is shown at the local theatre. The entire town of the deal is every night. I mean it was kind of open loving. Conscious experiences you feel it in the film. You feel that energy I think so yeah. And you? and. Norman is still with US Halle is and you thought it was important to make your character really a good like a likable character. Yeah I mean we we were. We were scared when we made that. We scared with your action was going to be. It was the time. There was a time when Russia was considered. There were considered not just bad people, but demons from L. and. We thought we were GONNA. Get picketed. We had no idea what was going to happen the whole country when the movie came out, breathe a sigh of relief. Everybody said all thank God. Finally somebody come came out and have the guts to say that they're just people just like goes the maybe problems with the government, but underneath that it's also people trying to survive. And it changed to assert the only fill mug ever done that. I felt like had some kind of social. Action as a result of or change of heart. was enormously proud to begin. Beginning does what I always wanted to be connected with and film anywhere and have that be. My first film was just a enormously moving for me. Indirectly Otsuki last enough he had made to, he offered the part that made too much money that year so turned down so. Long. I the default. One more one more comment for you Adam Marshall Arm tour of your performance and the Chicago hope episode called the parent rap. And season to your characters conflicted anger and grief over the death of his father is is is a script in episode and a performance that I still. Touch to hear that thing all the great work. You didn't Chicago hope and when I think of Chicago. Hope I think of you singing. Luckily, I'm sorry to hear that. and. The saved I think it's wonderful episode but I. I am confronted every time I watch it with how much I am not a musical star by. Kanye, but your musician in your heart, you decision, and you can feel it every Laura your mouth, and not only that to have seen him. Do It on Broadway, which I did was just great. He was great guys and Dolls on Broadway Gentlemen. This is my father who is very proud of me. My Gosh I. I You know there is one other nice thing in the book to Allen there lot of lovely things in the book, but it opens with that great story of you and Madeline Kahn was great story. And and do you want you want to share that? Because I think it winds up being the theme of the book, and an in part kind of a theme of your journey very much, so yeah Yeah, would you want me to tell that story? Yeah zubi movie with Madeline Kahn once and. She was a delight and hard very hard, working in a lovely person and. We between shots. She and I were sitting on the. Somewhere, we're in. A hillside in Westchester. County and just chewing on grass and I I finally realized how good she was so many things and I ask what was what was your initial impulse was the first thing you you wanted to be? She thought about. She says I'm really no I said what was singing. Was that the first thing you thought about being a singer? She's now actress, not really she's a comedian. No I what was the first first thing you thought. She says well I used to listen to a lot of music. She said, and and that's what I wanted to be and I said what she said I. I wanted to be the music. And it was like being hit in the head with a two by four and I realized that that's. All artists want to be. They don't WanNa, do it. They want you really WanNa be it and the next. Best thing is to doing it. It. Gave me something to reflect on for a long time Safe like this story of of my daughter Molly. When she was about six years old, she was watching Olympic skating on on television. And her mom said you're enjoying this honey honey. And she says yes. She says I I I. I WANNA do this. I'm GonNa do this and her mom said. Uh. You WanNa you WANNA. Do that some day like to. You'd like to start doing that. The when when you grow up and she says no I can do it now. All I gotTA. Do is learn how to skate. She knew she had dinner. Event was already living in her. Before we let you guys get Outta here. because. We've kept you long enough. Adam at least tell the story of how you became Chuck McCann's unofficial. Well it hearkens back to one of the movies I mention of Dad's a the hardest lonely hunter and I was very young when the film was being made I think I was no older than about nine or ten, and they were in early pre-production for the film, and Dad was getting ready to do it and very excited about this this project, and came back one a disappointed about the fact that a major character in the film of had to be recast, and they couldn't find the right person for the role, and they were gonNA. Probably delay production for an indefinite amount of time. Time while they figured out how to find that person, and I had the presence of mind at that age to ask what the what the role was. What the character wasn't dad described it to me, and there was a television show on at the time. A kids show in the mornings in new. York. That I had been watching regularly and I brought up the name of the man who who is chuck. McCann because he sounded like someone could play the character dad described. Dad watched the show as I recall was the show and called the producers as excited to bring him in to at least be interviewed for the role. which they did and subsequently Chuck McCann The the role of. I'd forget the characters name, but. Antonoff Dad's The the friend. Learning impaired man. The Dad was sort of The the mentor to and and Chuck would always introduced me as his agent 'cause he he had been made privy to the story. Lovely man love story that you had those instincts at that age Yeah I. Guess that was already the beginnings of. A desire to be able to have a word casting. We had chuck on here when we first started this show back in twenty fourteen. Yes, we. Made a lot of people happy made a lot of show Allen. Do you think this going to be a bad medicine to? Release, the first one. I. Before I forget to say. Paul Sand on the phone last night. He said. He said you know we tell Allen we were kids. We had children who worked together with violence bowl and I I think I was twelve. Maybe thirteen. And then we didn't see each other again. A twenty. Some odd years, yeah. Guy! I WANNA. Talk about How the the Arkansas are becoming dynasty? We becoming dinosaurs. Not Dinosaurs. We had Danny Houston here couple of months ago and that that's that's an acting dynasty and I. Think the Arkansas are becoming or have become an acting dynasty. Your your other two sons are actors. Matthews and criminal minds and and and bowling NCIS and Anthony's on succession in the Americans and It's a IT'S NOT GONNA Work without a more than anybody else, but I with Tony. I were spent a year on stage with them in a play. And I worked all through the kids. Multiple roles we have never in my memory had one moment of issue, and either whether we're acting the other or directing them or Adam directing me that I report one second one seven, Asian You say that now. How old are your children older than me? No. I have fifteen year old son. Emmett and my daughter is. She probably does want me telling her age, but she's she's. She's married, are they? Are they showing inclinations to to to be performance? Gilbert I Gilbert your son at this point. It's pretty much a foregone conclusion. That that Max is going to. Town. They'd one in my family. My my daughter Molly is a performer she she's done. Improv comedy, both here and in Seattle of they. They had a Improv group Called Blood Squad that became sort of a fixture up in the Seattle area. And, she's now working as a producer in Marta Kauffman Company. She's on grace and Franky, and is developing new material with Marta and my son Emmett is he's. He's a reformer in that. He's a bass player. He's been playing bass with a group that. has actually already played like the whisky, and and and they're really talented group of kids who've been playing since they were about nine and. He's just now starting to express some interest in acting yeah. He I think he could end up. At least you know having that in his arsenal. who was something you wanted like i? said it's becoming a dynasty. Yes Gil well. What else do you have man? I can't resist any longer allen. Go to lunch. Will you go to lunch I'm trying to do a job here. We'll you go to. To isn't that what Kevin Spacey says to me? Yes was I supposed to not know that is. No! I just I. Just that was one of those like so many great seeds. War. What was it like being with the cash like that? I mean yourself included of course. It was wonderful the mazing experience. It was fun it. Is Like Fun of brain. Surgery is fun. Doing Mamat is like is like doing brain surgery. You can't you have to do every pause? You have to do every fun for you have to do every every a stutter. It's all red in, so if you miss a thing, you got to start over from the beginning if I miss A. And if I only do one of those, then you gotta do the scene over again, so we rehearsed for a month, and then when they were shooting the scenes, most of my stuff was with Ed Harris, so I would run to a dressing room, and we run and run and run CNN. Run and run and run and run until we shot those, so it was a sense of doing something really good and really well, but it wasn't finally was fun afterwards when it was over. But it was a hell of a movie. I think it's really really. Moving I think it's the best adoration of of Mount on film it's. Great piece. Gilbert I'd like to see you do Glengarry Glen Ross. You'd be. IPAD, he'd be good. We asked a lot of actors that we've had on this show this question, I'm GonNa. We'll wrap it with you. Guys and we'll ask you know Gilbert's career. You've seen Gilbert a all these years. Do you guys in your professional opinion that? Gilbert could play a serious role I have no doubt I have hardly ever seen. Somebody was great. Accommodate couldn't do something serious. I don't see why not have known problem imagining. How about that? Gil, thank you both Yeah Adam didn't even. Know I think I think it would be actually a great opportunity for whoever cast you in the series role. I would joke at Richard the third immediately. Back. I WanNa add this also. Not only. Do I think it should be serious but I think you should think about playing a legless character. I'm serious. I would like to see you. Do because I felt like. It's been missing job. I'm not joking. I'd like to see the death of a salesman why? I'm dead serious. Wow would be better a series. The lead the. Salesman last I think it's always been cast from Gilbert. The Bar has been raised by Alan Arkin who wants to see you do Arthur Miller. Oh, my God I think I think you'd be I. Think would be a world. Class will illumine. Wow, yeah, well I don't know what to say at this point. Let's. Let's well aren't let's do. This is A. Yes or no? Adam you WANNA. Take us out with more joe my God. A talk to dad for a second I'll try to think of. One. Or more. Yeah, yes, of course. A lady comes to meet her husband for dinner and she's looking to lash. He says you okay. She says. Charlie I've got to talk to. What is it? I have a confession and there's something I've been wanting to tell you. For longtime never had the courage to say that made up my mind today I gotTA. Tell so, what is it dear I'm of? You want to leave me. She a no, no nothing like that. She's thank. God is listening to anything. You WanNa. Tell me. She's okay here it goes. She's Charlie I. Don't want children because I knew I. Know You thought I did and I may have misled you but I. do not want children. He says Oh my God. She's thank you for being so forthright, honest and open about it. She says dear says I've been feeling the same way for a long long time that I never had the courage to tell you. She says you feel the same way she says yes, I do. She says okay. Let's tell them as soon as we get home. I. I love it. All K-. Know Adams, Adams Google joke. How can You gotta finish with multiple jokes. doctor comes into a patient's room and says. We got your test results back and I've never seen anything like this, but you have virtually every communicable disease known demand. You're like a one person play. The guy goes well. That's terrible, doc. What am I going to do? Doctor says well. The the first thing we're going to do is put on a special diet from now on I don't WanNa. Have you eating anything other than a Swedish pancakes, fruit, leather, and flounder, and the guy goes Swedish pancakes, fruit, leather and flounder. What is that like beef up my immune system and the Doctor Says No. That's going to be about all. We can slide under the door an. Excellent? 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#235 Howie Mandel

Gilbert Gottfried's Amazing Colossal Podcast

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#235 Howie Mandel

"Hi, I'm Alan older. And I'm a guest on Gilbert Godfrey. It's amazing colossal podcasts. You gotta listen to this. They made me lay left like this. Hi, this is Gilbert Godfrey niches Gilbert, Godfrey jump mazing Kolatsi podcast with my co host Frank Santo Padre where once again recording. Get here woke with our engineer Frankford. Rosa our guest this week is back for a returning gauge -ment. He's old so returning with an old new season of his eighth game show. Or no deal free Mirroring on December third on NBC whit own new episodes on C B NBC starting on December. He tonight, their producer voice actor Amy nominated TV host and one of the most popular stand up comedians of his generation as an actor. You've seen many feature films like little monsters walk like a man of fine mess. Grim lidge end gremlin to playing everything from a monster living under a bed to a man raised by wolves. You also know his work in numerous TV shows such as monk homicide, the big bang theory superstore, my name is Gerald and Bob. Bobby's world, which he also. Okay, enough Orrin off. I'm Howie and I'm here. Yeah. Tally vendetta. Okay. And I'm here with my friend. I just dropped in. Yeah. I'm here with your ex roommate married. John Mendoza who is a legend in his own, right? Yes. In stand up John thing. Yes. So we're both here together. And the it's I know that I was the invited guest. But no, I was afraid I was going to be late and John wrote along with me, so we can be in a car pooling. They have that here. And in in the Rick shows in the bike with three of us in it. It's three or you can't get in. Wow. So we're here. Anyway, go ahead. And no reason I'm back is because we didn't finish the first time. There's so many more questions so many I left the people said I heard you on Gilbert's podcast, really go. Yeah. And they said I said did you like it they go? Well, there was so many unanswered questions. I'm back to answer. The ask them that last one. We're just digging up. Guess we already had Kush. We're running out of people wanna do the show. What wonderful welcome. That is. Yeah, we're having a three people who are died coming on fantastic. Okay. Leash. Ask him the last one. Oh, okay. The last one police welcome. This is this is our last question. Yeah. Yes. In the last question, he was supposed to ask you. It's the last one of the intro. But it's a question. I think it's something I think Gilbert will be interested in okay since Frank of wrote the intro. He loves his world. He did do you. How can you can you tell us? What happened? We will waiting for you in lobby. Can you tell us what happened? Yeah. This is what happens when you join we're in New York, and obviously in New York, I think security and all the buildings is a little more heightened than in most states or most cities, and it is customary to show ID, and they sign in and they take a picture of you. So everybody was doing that. And then I walked up, and I gave him my ID. And the guy goes, hey, buddy, you need to take a picture. It's not like, you're a movie star or anything who the fuck is going to know you. For that is. God forbid, anybody should get into an elevator within a semblance of an ego. Have you leave your ego at the front desk when you come to this podcast facial legally, we invited you hit that final push. If you ever think of suicide. Yes. That guy and he never he never wanted me. Like horribly if you ever pointing that gun to the roof of your mouth, you're not sure if you should pull the trigger show up here. Yeah. Yes. Dave working. Oh, so there is a question. Right. So see what? A lot of. The question. He never gets to know. But I think it's good. Maybe we should just quietly people don't do that on podcasts. This would be a I. But nobody would be good, right? Silence. Is golden. Yeah. Most podcasts are constant talking or information or funny or with our thoughts. I think the listener should sit with their thoughts. And we're not gonna interrupt. The question was about an orgy was about you performing standup. Yep. That's a true story. Yeah. You know? That's no. No, okay. So all of us, you know, I was just telling John the other day, you know, win, and we all started out in the seventies. And we were. Throughout our career. We play like not the now people know stand ups, and they, you know, there are actual stages built for stand up and eaters, which but in those days, you wouldn't you know, people just assumed your comic he could show up. They would stop dance floor in the middle of the disco. Yeah. How many times they go everybody? Please sit down stop Danson party burglary beings. Yeah. So this is when I actually started I was on the show called Saint elsewhere. And I actually was on TV, and I had some semblance of an identity be oh special, and I got a little bit of recognition. And I got a call from the comedy store, and they said would you be interested in doing a house party? And I said, you know, at this point on TV in that. I'm you know, there was a time when I would say, yes, Dan. No, no. Yeah. And then the the commies are called me back. And they said they they said. That they really want. You your the guys favorite, and there's got to be a price. So I said what does that mean they make making off make a ridiculous offer? And I made a ridiculous offer like much more than most people make in a couple of years in America. And I got a call minutes later, and he goes, okay? They said, okay, I wouldn't want. They said okay cash. So he hangs up the phone. He calls him back in five minutes, they go. He said, okay. Okay. I said this is too fucking weird. Then I want the cash now I wanna before I ever show up. I wanna see this is real he calls back in ten minutes. Okay. Coming in our to the comedy store. Go to our go to the comedy store, and they have like a water I needed a duffel bag to fill the duffel bag with all this cash. And I was gonna play Friday night. I was going to go, and it was a guy's house. They said, I was his favorite. And it was going to be a party. And I was going to be a surprise. So I said, okay. And I said to my wife Terry wanna you want to would you like to join me? And she said, no. And so I. Benedict canyon. You gotta know if you don't live in LA, we have these wind -i shitty dark roads that look like you're on a trail and halfway up it dawns on me. I'm going to be kidnapped. I'm gonna be fucking kidnapped. Killed and left in bushes. I don't know what this is four. But I got scared and just as that that was overcoming my whole being right in front of me a girl jumps out of the hedges. Scantily clad kind of dressed like a like a just in in under like a bra and panties. And I go oh shit. And she stops the car, and she comes around on my window. She goes, you Howie Mandel, and I go, yes, she goes, this is the party wha-what's the party. She goes, I will take your car. Can you hear opened the window, and you hear people kind of screaming and laughing and things that she goes to parties in there your surprise. Just follow me, and we'll go through the hedges. And now, I'm in this dark place, and we go through the hedges, and I end up on this yard of a mansion, and I could hear this a party going in. And they go you hide in here you hide in here. And when you hear and it's the pool house bathroom, and when you hear, ladies and gentlemen, Howie Mandel, then you come out. And this is like the early eighties. So I go into the bathroom, and I'm I've got my handbag, and I've got my rubber gloves. All these ridiculous props and the look things, and it's like a pool house bathroom. So it's like the toilet might Mike calf. I was trying everything for my calf not to touch the rim of the bowl. There is no room for my props in me as I'm setting up the door opens. And a guy comes in who is a knee braided who's drunk, and he just starts pissing. And he doesn't say hi to me. He doesn't even knowledge that I'm we're shoulder to shoulder, you know, and I think what the fuck owing on here. What is this and he finishes pissing? He walks out of the room he closes the door. And then I hear, ladies and gentlemen, Howie Mandel. I opened the door and I walk into a room off the pool. There is the guy that just pissed and maybe five other guys in all the other guys are naked. There's six women fucking and sucking doing shit like I've never seen in positions. Upside down. One guy's got one guy's holding. She's in kind of sixty nine position he's holding her upside down, and he's eating her pussy and eats her pussy licking, and he looks up at me. And he goes to do the voice the baby. One. Baby voice and one guy standing in the corner, and he's jerking off in one chicks ear, and I'm going really, and I'm going. The girl took my cars now working at the bar. She goes with you like, it's rank and. Do the thing. And one guy's getting sucked off. And he's do the do the thing about about coming from Canada to do the. I'm doing my act that I'm gonna wake up this is gonna be fucking dream. And then one of the guys brings over he's carrying one of the girls. He goes you want to suck this and he puts her crotch. I no. No. After fifteen minutes. I and I go back into the bathroom, and I put my props away. And I kept thinking what if my wife said? Yeah, I'd like to join. Anyway, I leave and I leave you know, and I and I got a great story to tell about two weeks later. I mean, the Galleria it, which is which the mall in the valley in in the San Fernando Valley Sherman oaks in Sherman S. Yeah. Remember, yes. And I'm walking through the the Galleria and some nice lady just walks up to me. And she goes, you Howie Mandel from Saint elsewhere, and I go. Yeah. She goes, you wouldn't know me. But my husband says that you were the entertainment at so and so's bachelor part. Shoulder and one of the guys who was eating pussy is about one hundred yards back going just just making a sign like don't fucking say any. Just. Wasn't entertainment is much as I was a cover story was they just had me they're doing stupid voices. So they could suck. And fuck, and they had a thing they each had a story without using any imagination about when their wives. Would they went home to their wives? When they say what what was how was the party was good. We had we had Howie Mandel. We love bizarre stand up stories on the show. That's a good one. Is it? Yeah. I was traumatized, you know. Whereas a folk. Yeah. There was more fluid in that room. There was a more moisture there was no I was getting standing ovations and not their leg more. It was just so Siegel you perform you went to the playboy mansion nothing happened nothing zero even went into the grotto the went in the water. No. Thought I walked in there. And we when I was I heard with the playboy mansion at one time. It was xactly what you thought it was and then somewhere along the way it just changed. So I there was some naked girls with body pain. But that was about it was that at the mansion the grotto or no way there. Gilbert tonight, I was telling John the other day might my best memories of Gilbert. We were friends in the eighties. No, no, no, no. No, do you not remember you. And I used to go to the Carnegie deli. I used to love this at the Carnegie deli. They always had the communal tables, which means, you know, we would sit down, and we would take two seats. And then you know, tourists would be sitting able or across from you. And nobody is better at Gilbert than telling the most horrific if you've ever seen the the Ariston. It's telling the most. So he would sit down at the table. They'd have to be tourists taking pictures of the record beef and the stromming they'd be eating and he'd sit down and loud start saying there's seepage from my anus. And that's how it start. And you would hear you know, you kit utensils forks being dropped and these people and the right in your remember doing that? Yes. Yes. And it they were just horrified you'd see people take a bite, and you would like time it, and this is a person sitting with their family having a night a nice lunch at the most renowned belly remember doing that. And I was like I would die. We couldn't laugh because it'd make it like a serious conversation. Again, say I think this log of shit floating in my cream, so. How? But it's not funny on a podcast as much as it is. Just looking at somebody's face. Who's just have a nice meal? It's the first time in New York, Saturday communal table, and there's the cute little Gill sitting there going somebody shit in my cream soda. Yeah. It is. It's the big moment York because you got to go to the Carnegie deli. But that was my best. My memories of the kind of only you and only the most vile stories in the faces of innocent. I remember meeting him or seeing him perform for the first time. I I do I the first time I saw you as a catcher rising star. And I think we talked about that, you know, you you are the epitome. And I think I said this when you were out and promoting your documentary, which I absolutely love one of my favorite great. Amazing. That's great. But it also showed a side of Gilbert that every if you're listening to this, and obviously you'd be a fan of Gilbert if you're listening, but maybe you didn't see it. You have to catch it and tell a friend because even if you don't throw the plug in it's called Gilbert. Directly by mule, Berkeley. Yes. I think it's on Hulu. Yeah. There you go Darah. But what I what I loved about Gilbert. And when I win the first time I saw him is between an on not just blowing smoke up your ass, which sounds like a conversation. You would have with me at the Carnegie. But I'm not just blowing come up your ass. I'm sucking it out. Okay. The when I first went to the comedy store in seventy eight and seventy nine I was bowled over by watching Richard Pryor, and Richard Pryor was the first person that I ever recognized, you know, honesty in his far as like he would find that line in cross that fucking line and it was dangerous. And sometimes the the audience would gasp at whatever he was talking about you know, because he talked about growing up in a Bronco. This means nothing now in two thousand eighteen but growing up in a brothel in fucking and a tough life. But he was honest, and he was brave and then not until I went to New York and saw Gilbert on stage. You know that stuff that it came there came a time when I think we got used to that kind of stuff. But even you doing of one of the first things I remember recognizing was Christ on the cover of TV guide. Yes. I don't even know that bit. Oh, he would stand with the with the Mike stand, and he'd he do a crucifixion fills of it. Okay. So, but the point the point being that that may not seem like what it was then, but in seventy eight I mean, that was blasphemy it'd be talking about religion for Jewish guy to be talking about Christ for you know. And I thought oh my God. This guy doesn't have any. You know, there's no. Governor on his engine. He will just go anywhere. Don't put and I love that. And that's why I wanted to be his friend. And that's why I watched everything he did. And he was when you watch the documentary you see that he'll push it farther. And I thought that that was the job. He's an inspiration to me because I believe through Richard Pryor and Gilbert Godfrey that was the job the art form of comedy, the art form of comedy is pushing that barrier in fact, when you're not a comedian, and you cross that line. You used to be able to say the biggest excuse was. I was only joking and people. Okay. As long as you're joking. You're okay. Because that was the world if you're joking that is the world that you're okay, you can step further, and we were professional jokers. So we were supposed to find that line step over it. And then maybe figure out where it is. And today, you know, I feel an and they're days that I get up. And you were on the opening wave of this. You know, where I go. I don't wanna do this for political correctness. Yeah. Urge you say it's it's it's taken the fun out of comedy. It's not even the fun on a comedy. It's just not we're not even allowed to do that art form. You're not allowed to you know, the the repercussions are so fucking and you can't figure out where that where that line is. You know, and the point is that we in when him, and I started the beauty of it is even when we knew what the line was. It was kinda sexy and fun to cross that line. You wanted to do that you were saying it because it was wrong. That's what we were. That's the art form was wrong. And that's why it was too soon. And that's why we can do it. And today, I can't fucking figure it out. And Gilbert himself has been a victim of that. Which I think is totally wrong. And you know, it makes me sometimes want to just hang up my hat and say, I don't wanna do comedy. What do you say Gil everybody everybody now is the wants to be offended. Yeah. Yeah. I think the enjoy being offended. It's like like they feel good about themselves. Like, oh, I wish outrage because it allows them to participate and some way. Yeah. Well, I always say like the the internet makes me feel sentimental about old time Lynch mobs. At least they had to get their hands dirty and deal with other people. Now, anybody you sit in your underwear at home, and you form your own little tomorrow. Right. You know, they they call it social media. You know, in our early days media is before us probably our parents days, you know, the media wore a fedora, and they had a card on it that said press. Yes, you know, they had a job all of a sudden you're sitting as you said alone in your underpants. And you don't have a friend the world, but you are media, you're part of the social media. And I remember growing up there were commentators columnist reporters writers and people who knew stuff and you listen to them because they news thirties. Yeah. Now, everybody's I'll tell you a little story. Not only are the authority. It's hard. You can't read. So I'm not gonna mention who. And I'm not gonna mention where. But you know. Well, I'm in New York, I go. Oh drop in clubs. I last time. I was here. I did it with you and Gilbert, and you just want to try out material. So I went on. And I followed a comic. Who was I thought very funny young very young his audience was there is and he's a very liberal gay comic. And most of his routine was, you know, a lot of the routine when when I was there was going to CVS and looking at other guys in wanting to eat out there asses and how he was jealous of the toilet paper. They were buying because he wanted to lick out their asses and the audience is going crazy, he finishes, and they go and now Howie Mandel. I walked out. And I think the first line I said, you know, my wife has been a real bitch and the whole audience goes, oh, and I'm telling you there was a tweet storm saying he's calling a woman a bitch in this day and age, and I got like smacked around on social media. He's eating fucking ass. And I called the woman who I love and I've been married to for forty years in the frame of joke a bitch, and that was an and such indignant, and you could hear it in the room. They just stopped as soon as I referred to a female as a bitch and somebody I love and in a door on the in the context of being on stage in doing a bit. It was over for me. And I couldn't grab that audience. You don't know how and who and when you're going to offend and what those repercussions are. And it's funny. It's like you could right now. Now, go on like, Twitter, or whatever and say, I like eating jelly beans and a bunch of people will be offended by that eight. You can't win. Yeah. But you really you haven't softened anything. I mean, they saw you about a year ago, you're still doing the Chinese delivery. Boy, still is the only working comic today doing, you know, Jerry Lewis Chinese. No, I not Asia stereotypes the Mickey Rooney Mickey breakfast at Tiffany's. Taking channel now at it's in the middle of a whole bit. Oh, yeah. It's part of a bit about hating, the Amish, right, and yeah, but he's still doing the Amish don't seem to get fended. Facebook. You've been doing stand up a long time, you agree with how you think some of the funds. It's you know, it's harder for him than for me. Because I'm not as famous, and I'm not I don't have as much to lose at the moment as he does. He's on you know, network television. And he could lose his job like that. You know, I could go out, and I could say bunch of stuff, and you know, I might offend people. I might get hit on Twitter or whatever the next day. It's not that big of a deal. He's got a lot to lose by those situations. Like, you did you. A lot of frigging money is a lot of you know, all of a sudden, you know, I'm not I'm not saying it's right or wrong. But you know, I don't know what Louis CK's been doing for the last year. You know? I mean, what do you do after after you fame and fortune and stuff like that you even just to go out and do five minutes at night and have some fun and get out of the house can't do that anymore. He's he's trying. He's done a couple of days. It's year. You know, does he work out for year? Does he get really fat for you? You know, it's it's it's it's it's a hard time for someone that when when is a lot of money involved. It's it's very very difficult. I mean, I saw you do shitting seven in the early eighties and stuff like that that if you have done that today, you'd have been dead. Difference between what somebody does in their real life off stage, and what you do on stage or what you do in social media. You know, like Gilbert trouble for what he did in so many. But but for me, also social media is our new stage. So we need to to stay prevalent. We need if something funny happened. I have an idea right there. And you know, I'll videotape something and then they'll go. No, no, no that. Yeah. Strewed and the the beauty of what I love about you Gilbert, and you always did it's like I say that everything I've ever been punished for expelled for hit for is what I seem to get paid for the thought is you shouldn't have to were in in comedy. You shouldn't have to worry about the ramifications the worst ramification in comedy. And that's our that's how we figure out how to shade. It is silence is like somebody won't laugh, but you should just be able to say freeform, whatever comes into your head. You should have. That knee jerk reaction. It shouldn't be you the sense of humors at it is a sense, you should find humor where other people wouldn't. And now, it's a dying art. And you know, it's funny because all this political correctness the young people that are dying in our military. What are they dying for freedom of speech, and one of the most freeing speeches ever? Are the words that are coming out of the mouths of comedians? Let's take a moment of silence. Poignant too heavy for do you do you? Do you get in trouble for anything you're doing in in your Marian? I know. I know there's one joke. Tara can't stand. She'll she'll allow she's nodding from the next room. Yeah. Yeah. But no, it is like that. It's a crazy time period. I don't know full ever come out of. Well, that's it. You know, you say there's one joke that Derek my wife. My wife knows that I will onstage speak inappropriately about her. She she chooses not to attend my show interesting. But because she goes if I'm attending the show, then when you say something, I know it's a joke. I get it the my discomfort is that I'm standing beside a friend or I'm standing beside a family member or somebody's kid is there, and as soon as you mentioned my name or how we fuck or whatever they are looking at me and didn't sign up to be on stage. I didn't sign up to be the performer. So why do I need to be embarrassed? I'm not telling you. Not to say it. I'm telling you. I will not be certainly respect her position. The smart. And I know this happened to me recently. This is a weird one. My wife got mad at you. I turn physician. He got tired same one over and over. Hey, the gloves off. Irish so sick of missionary time. I was nice to finally have somebody who will use his hand. I I was at a club. And I was doing you know, I wasn't watching anything. So I was making jokes about major and. Midgets have no right to live. Yeah. Yeah. I know that that first of all they don't want to be called. Yeah. Does it on this show every week, it's hopeless Howie? And and so I do and I did some jokes about muscular dystrophy, and this is absolutely true. And while I was doing it. You could feel real tension in the air and people murmuring and not was this a fundraiser for midgets killer. The funny thing. At the end of the show. I'm standing there like signing merchandise and these two electric wheelchairs come out, and I would refer to as midget were in these electric wheelchairs, like, you know, where you could basically blow into it to go forward or go. Go and fuck one. Yeah. All of a sudden, you've become a prop comic. Yes. And the funny thing was the funny thing, I I figure that going to go over and say that was really wrong. What you did that was and they wanted to have their picture taken with me. And they said they said both of us have muscular dystrophy, and we were laughing our asses off that was so funny. So they wanted something here's so this is this kind of stamps, what my opinion is they need. Listen for me. And now that I've known you, you know, laughter and comedy is what is my panacea. You know? That's how I get through shit. And you know, there's a t shirt says shit happens. We all have fucked up shit in our life. I suffer from anxiety and depression, and if you look at what comedy really is even in the most basic form, if you're if if your kid, and you go to the circus, and you laugh at a clown falling down, you're laughing at the misfortune. It always comes from dark. Kness? So to have a sense of humor. You know, isn't somebody who says who has a joke, and they know the cadence of the joke and they laugh it's like clapping along with the song. They laugh at the end of a joke. That's a joke. It's being able to find the levity in something really dark. So you telling me that these two people had a sense of humor because they need to have a sense of humor. Can't change the position the person that will be most offended not only is not a little person with this affliction. They probably don't even know a little person with his affliction yet. They'll bear the burden of being you know. Well, and also being offended. Why the fuck are you offended while it's just roller behalf. You know? It's just wrong. In fact, like going back to the story. I just told you the guy that was tweeting about me calling. My wife a bitch was a guy. It was. You know? So I can see that. You know? Maybe if a woman has been called a bitch in this brought up some Batman. I kinda get it. You know? And I kinda get that. It's not right to refer to somebody. That's why it's funny. Yes. And the reason that your story is funny. It's taboo, if it wasn't taboo, then it wouldn't be funny. So they have a sense of humor and the rest of the audience, whoever didn't like it or disliked it or got up and walked out or hated that don't have a sense of humor. And this is think too. It's like, well, it's also I think patting themselves on the back like I just been offended by something. And that makes me good, right? Yeah. It's like. You know, it's like if a tragedy occurs, you could send money or you could fly out and help with the effort or you could get offended at a joke. Someone makes. Yeah, I believe that and most people who are in our business, and I can speak to forty years. I know John, I know, you know, everybody you harm the. Probably the most sensitive people. I know, you know, these people that proclaimed to be sensitive. We're probably ten times more sensitive than them. You know, you're asking me Frank was asking me before the show. Can we talk about? I got to work with the great Blake Edwards. And I quoted a story that he wants told me which rang true, I think for everybody sitting in this room. And this will never forget he told his story. About this. This guy that was suffering such amazing depression, amazing, depression, he been going to his therapist forever. And he was at his wit's end that he was about to put the gun into his mouth and shoot up shoot his head off and the the therapist tried drug therapy, drug therapy, did not work, you know, then the therapist brought in a hypnotist hypnotism didn't work and everything didn't work and the guy shows up in the office. And he goes, that's it. I just can't deal with this the pression this sadness darkness. I'm going to end it. And I just wanted to say that I preach all the help that you tried to give me, but I'm gonna I rather be dead. I cannot do this anymore. And the the therapists that can you just try one more thing one more thing. And he goes what is it? They said the. There's a circus that just came to town and in this circus star. The circus is blabber the clown and blabber the clown. Is this world renowned clown who just makes people laugh so people have died from laughter. Nobody cannot laugh. This is the place and they say that laughter's the best medicine, regardless of what's going on. If you can laugh. That's it. I believe there is no medicine strong enough. There's no hit the Tisza strong enough. If you go see blab, oh, the clown. He will make you laugh, and I believe that that will make you feel better. And this guy is sitting in the corner of the office in the fetal position and a tear runs down his cheek, and he looks at therapist. And he said, I am blah, the clown. That's just who. I think is a great template of who comedians. Are you know, I think that people who have the view and are able to look and find another a bright side to a dark world are the people that are in touch when he says something about when when I say, he importing Gilbert when you talk about somebody's misfortune in life. There's nobody more aware of that person's misfortune than Gilbert. And because he so aware and so sensitive to that misfortune is why he knows how taboo, it is to speak of it when he's talking about his wife in an uncompromising position. He knows that the woman you love, and you care about and is the other side, he knows when you don't have any feeling, and you don't end you. Are numb like, I think most of the world is you don't know. So you just hear the the headline, and you go that's that is so offensive that is so wrong. Nobody understands how wrong offensive it is. Then the guy that is making the joke about a person motivated to get on stage, a room full of strangers and actually say this thing. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, you know, I'm gonna blow your your your image Gilbert, but he has nothing like that like that deeply offensive person. No people really know Guilford know that he is a six foot tall Mexican. Nothing. Like, you think what what I mean is that there's a there's a kindness in a sensitivity that him that. I don't think he really. And that's why I was so happy that this documentary came out because you see it on the dock, but then you understand it that not when he tells a joke that is wrong. It's because nobody knows how wrong that image is more than him. Right. A no one says damages him. So you feel better. And what what I always get like when people ask me, and they'll say how could you make a joke like that? Aren't you aware of the tragedy and loss of life? And I say, yeah, I am aware of the tragedy and loss of life. And that's where the joke comes from. That's what we can't get people to understand. I think what people go ahead. I should say I think one of the things that people reacted to about the dock was to see that. He wasn't this much person. Who just does these jokes to hurt people that he's actually even if they learn that our world today doesn't understand right where human where humor comes through? And where that sensibility of finding, you know, there is no such thing as you know, comics say too soon, it should be now there's no too soon. And I also feel like when you say a bad taste joke. Right. When it happens. The reason that shouldn't be an apology is like the apology and explanation are in the joke because you're laughing because Pete when people laugh at it, they go oh my God. I shouldn't be laughing because this is so harmful subject matter. We were tearing take Gilbert Godfrey to Mason colossal podcast, right after they. Holiday coming. Why not give yourself a gift of Stitcher premium their life Friday deal east of the year. And you don't wanna miss it. Fifty percent off your first payment for a limited time when you go to stick your premium dot com. Hey. Komo code, right. Eight fifty seventy fifty four tire year of St. your premium spin cozy winter nights, benching comedy originals, like Andy dailies podcast pilot project. 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They gave it back from the dead post stroke, still, that's the way it is. That's the way it is in the afterlife. It doesn't get any better. But you all listening to give it Godfrey. It's amazing. Podcast. Now, I'm going back into my coffee. Now, she the year. Tired? Very. Get. I have to tell you my family shares, you know, might come from a family. That's got a really good sense of humor. The worst day of my life in the history. My life is the day. I buried my father, and I will tell you that there isn't a day that I've laughed harder in my life than the day. I buried my father, so many uncomfortable horrible shit was happening. And the only way that I could deal with. It was crazy laughter. I mean, and it was I mean, I was making jokes, which I would imagine would be considered wrong. If other people, but I was surrounded by my family, the people who didn't know me and heard me laughing hysterically in the other room. I couldn't stop thought. I was wailing and screaming in torment. And didn't know that. You can't believe what happened to me. Let's how you got through it like about horribly laughing at the well, he had he had a really good. Well, tell you one story he had a really good friend who came and he. Was talking to me we went we buried them. And then we went back to their apartment, and this guy's talking to me. And then I see him start to quiver. And I thought he was going to pass out and he started walking out of the room. And I thought he dropped candy out of his pocket. So I went at you know. Hey, so I walked over. And I picked up the candy that he dropped. He didn't drop a candy out of his pocket. He shit himself and shit on the floor in my parents apartment, and I had picked it up. And it was in my hand. And I had this guy's show. I buried my father, and my hand is filled with this guy's shit who I've found that later head Krones he could help what was happening, but I smelled it. And then I screamed like a little girl. I started screaming mother goes what's wrong, and that guy ran and I got shit all over my hand. My mom, my mom picked up all the schnapps and the alcohol that was there and she's wearing it on my hand. And she screaming, I'm screaming any shit on my hand. And the other people are sitting in the other room and going oh such a poor. Boy. I couldn't get the shit off my hand. Bury my father guy shit all over the fucking apartment. My fingers were filled with his shit never picked up anything. Like your dad's parting gift in a way that I said that he's watching. That's my dad would do something. Let's, but but that was the thing, you know, and you know, that anybody else, which is say that's fucking horrific. That's horrific on top of horrific. But you know, I just told you the story that the moment I buried my father and somebody took shit with Crohn's disease and listen to you laugh, I get it. Somebody else might think that that's a terrible terrible story. I thought it was amazing John ever tell the joke and get in trouble for it. Or the joke was complete the meeting was completely misconstrued constantly constantly constantly those fun moments. I love I love telling jokes that that people go what the fuck is wrong with you. I I have a teenage daughter, and I do that to her in life. And it's I are you girls teenage girls teenager, she's eleven. Yeah. Wait, wait. It's horrible. They judge you so much, and yes, and you go I did a story when my daughter, so I said, I bumped into your friend Jason at the mall the other day, and she said, which one annot five Jason's I said, the guy that you hang out with and you can call him gay. She went crazy on screaming Yellen me, and then like a couple of weeks later bumped in front of Amy at the more Amy at the most which one I said one with the blue shirt. You can't you can't the audiences. Your family is is is horrible. Is. I've come to the pet where as I said I've wanted I do wanna hang up my hat and in traditional standup comedy. But what I do love when I'm not recognized like the guy who let me. No. But I do I love awkward. I love uncomfortable. And I love when somebody doesn't know I'm joking. That's why I reminisce about the time sitting in the Carnegie deli with you when they don't know that we're to comedians, just laughing at the fact that it's disgusting. And we're ruining everybody's lunch. When you watch somebody looking at you in disgust when you look at somebody across the room that's going with the fuck is going on. What the hell is this? What did he just say? I almost find that more fulfilling than a laugh your person who's who's turned on sort of by extremes in life. You like roller coasters? You like to feel fear. You like things that remind you that you're alive. Yes. Yeah. Adrenalin, and that's one of them. Right. Yes. That kind of this. It was fun in the early eighties washing Gilbert paint. I mean, he would go on stage at like one o'clock in the morning. I remember in the morning, and you would sit in the back of the room and wash this guy just. Throwing shit up against the wall. And you would just sit there and go this is so much fun. Just watching his guy makeup stuff. And and the next night. You know, one line out of the whole thing became a little tight. I mean, we all do that and stuff like that. But watching him do it. There was nobody swing harder than anybody else. God it was. It was disgusting. Some nights. Great win and you'd have to follow this shit. He'd grab is little stick and good night. Goodnight. Anyway. Oh. Following was probably horrible. But watching was. Well, don't see anybody even close to what he did. There was no one better that could tell along joke an old joke. Oh, yeah. Impression than Gilbert. Godfrey? There was absolutely no. But and milk it and Milton. You talk about a million topping it what it is. I say this on America's got talent. And the truth is, and I think Gilbert taught me this. But it's commit commit to whatever it is you own what you're going to do. Even if what you're going to do you're not like anybody else. Even if you're going regardless I don't care who who's ever e you're gonna open up a business, you're going to dress a certain way just fucking own it and commit and go as far as you can when you make it the situation if you're trepidation and you hold back. Nobody's really going to buy into whatever style, you created whatever business you're going to do and the same rules apply to stage to life. All into relationships to everything you just gotta own it. You do you. We were allowed to fail which in today's world and comedy a lot of kids allowed to fail. Able to go up there and bomb and and be asked back again the next night. It was not that big of a deal. Now, these if you don't bring twenty five people to a club to to fill a room or something like that. And get the other people laughing you're not ask back again. There were many many nights. We we go on stage. And and and you off stage in the go you could hear him as you walk through. He's. Yeah. And it was fine. You came back the next night, and you sucked a little bit less the next night and the Knicks night after that, it doesn't I I don't see it. That was part of the process bombing part of the growth process of building your act. When you go up on stage, you see a bunch of little white lights all over people with their phones. And then and that's dangerous Chapelle. You know, makes you lock up the phones. He's got the he's got those sacks that they give out which is important because what happens is that those phones record for a second. They'll take a picture. They right. Whatever you said, there's no, you know, that even if you tech somebody. There's no context there's no context and be win. There's no context. And there's no meaning some things not heard from a comedy stage. But repeated or out of context where you didn't see what happened before you didn't see what happened after or you're not in the flow could come off very damaging. I'm very afraid of that. And that's another reason in like John says, you know, I'm on America's got talent that great broadcast family show. I'm about to launch. One of the biggest things I've ever done in my career. I'm about to deal or no deal. It's coming back. There's thirty four episodes. It's going to be huge and bigger than ever another very clean cut family show with a great network. I have to and I love it. And I love doing both those shows every time and I love doing standup. But every word that comes out of me, even the things that I'm I'll be totally honest with you talking to you right now, I'm wondering, and I'll let you do whatever you want. But I'm wondering if some of the things I've talked about or some of the things, I've said will be construed. Wrongly and hurt me. You know, it can you almost just wanna shut up. I fuck and hate mime. I wanna be a mind. It's the safest thing to do. I wanna be a mind I wanna be trapped in a fucking box on a windy day. And I don't under- I hate it. But you know, it's very scary talking publicly, we're not just sitting at the inner this is, you know, I know this podcast, you there's maybe twenty thirty people little here at least, maybe forty. I just hope each and every one of them likes me doesn't get me to lose a job question about the deal. You turned it down when they first approach you what twenty five. Yes. Yeah. And you did not want to do a game show because he thought a game show was a career killer. It was in two thousand and five if you remember no comic was doing game. You know, the the closest to a years and years before that decades before that grout? Right. And so did Johnny. Carson did a right. Who do you trust who do you trust? But after that, nobody did it, and when you're currency is irony, you know, the last, you know, not that there's anything wrong with them. But that would be you know, the punchline would be the consummate game show host. So when they asked me to do a game show. I went no, then they called me back, and they said come on your perfect for this. And I said, no. And then the third time they said well. Can we show you the game? And I you know what I'm not. I'm sitting in a deli in the valley. I'm not gonna if they wanna come and show me the game. I'm eating soup if they want it. And then I thought it was a joke that guy shows up with this. It looks like a card may he cut out himself. He didn't go to even kinko's or and there's no fucking game. There's no game all open this open that open this. And I went home and Teri my wife said are you going to do it? And I went no. And she goes said because it's going to kill my career. She goes Where'd you just come from? I said the deli and where are you? Now, I sit at home, and she goes this is your career right now. So just do it on did it. I was really embarrassed. And then I said to them can I hire comic. Can I hire a friend to write with me because I thought, you know, it's nothing is opening these cases. And and funny. I'll be funny, and it was unprecedented. The time at an NBC they were going to do five nights in prime time. Five hours of fuck. In primetime NBC given over to this game. And I said, well, so me, and my friends we wrote I said, you know, if nothing else even if it's this shitty game. I get some funny bits. I'm gonna do some funny bits. And then I'll never forget I came out and they said, ladies and gentlemen, Howie Mandel. And I walked out and said, welcome to dealer note deal. And I said here's a first contestant. Never forget her name's Karen van and Karen van walks out. And I'm within closer to her than I am to you guys right now. And I realized when somebody's on a set that hasn't been said there was a glaze that came over her. You know, what I mean, there's twelve cameras three hundred people all the lights. She tells me she's never owned a home. She doesn't have health insurance. These are her three children. And I realized oh my God. If she walked out of here with twenty grand it would change her life from New York. She's not from LA. She put it down payment on a house. If nothing else you can get insurance. So she's taking care of. I was so afraid to do my comedy because I wanted to distracter a change my cadence, in fact on SNL they did a take off because I talked to her like you talked to a four year old because I saw she wasn't listening. So I would say, you know, the banker just called the offer is Karen the offer is. Is forty thousand dollars. And really what I was just saying is listen to me, that's real. That's forty. You could say deal right now forty fucking thousand dollars yours for nothing. No skill. No. Trivia know, nothing that's yours. Or if you say no deal, it's like spinning the wheel. You've got a chance got to open up five more cases. What the fuck are you thinking, you know? So it it became about. You realize you had a responsibility. I the healthy people eight I I'm a human being right? Not why I mean, I have a wife and children Erin, I just want. And I don't wanna be responsible. You know, they always asked me to go on Hollywood game night, which I don't go on because it's on NBC because I don't want to be silly. And somebody loses money and then all kill myself. If I feel that somebody didn't win because I was being an idiot. So so empathy was I so I I did the shows through all comedy by the wayside flew out to the Caribbean because. When aired I was going to be so embarrassed, and it was going to be the end of my career. And I got a call saying this thing went through the roof and the next night and the next night the next thing, I know they're going after every comic on every. Sag worthy. Foxworthy sagging. Steve Harvey owes me a big RV you sort of growth that glass ceiling. Hosa? I'm sure phone. How much you see Gilbert host the game. That'd be great. I think you'd be great now. And how do you feel when you watch someone lose? It's the hardest thing in the world. It's hard when you're standing there. And you know what? And you really know what it means the somebody? And you're watching them, you know, we are comedians and part of which makes us comedians is we have it could be considered annoying. But and and I was most of my life and off stage. I am a an insatiable desire to comment on the native of life right of the if you see something stupid, you wanna say it's stupid. If you see something going on you have to say it like, it's right? Yes. We're basically critiquing in the form of comedy. So when I'm watching somebody make a bad decision or they're going for the being greedy, or they're just risking too much. And they can't afford to it takes every ounce of my being not to want to throttle them and go you fucking what are you doing? You have children. This is a hundred thousand dollars you live in in the outskirts of Omaha. You could not only put it down. You probably could buy an entire house. This is two years of your pay take it. Why are you taking the chance? You know? I I'm very conservative. I don't gamble. I don't. When I play Vegas. I never play. You know, the games, and I've always been taught that if you're going to invest or you're going to gamble, then you should be able it shouldn't change your life. If you lose these decisions are changing people's lives. And what really gets me is. I think that most of our contestants and you'll see in this bigger newer more exciting game of the deal which premieres on NBC December third and then goes to CNBC on December fifth as a series, but there's a Christmas special December third on NBC. You'll see that. In their guts, people know what the right move is. And then they get swayed by the audience by a loved one by a friend interesting. You know, and when they go with that, I think there's an interesting shows John's always said, you should be in the car ride home. Why the fuck did you tell me to go one more time? This is history of Canadian game show host to Monty hall. Alexander Beck, you're in that fraternity. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting to see somebody be so get so personally involved in the in the personal fortunes of the of the contestants that just goes back. This is the circle of this whole discussion. It's empathy goes back to the most sensitive people, and the the most delicate people, I know far sensitivity, are comics, and the harsher those comics are the more sensitive. They are when you get to know them. They don't want you to know them. They usually hide because that's fear and sensitivity hurts and being attached to your public and being attached to people, you know, we have a small circle of family and friends, and that we get attached to and hopefully who surround us with love, and we call them, and we stay when you when you look at Gilbert is a as a son, and as a brother, there's nobody better you go to other people who are offended, by these words, and they haven't talked. To a sibling. They don't talk to their parents. They've they've left their their wives. But you go talk to somebody who speaks harshly, and they're the ones that when you look at what life really would really matters. They're the ones that take care of business. The best way possible. About that. Gilbert, this is turned into testimonial. I know I'm waiting to see myself lying in a casket. Is this the word is this. The worst episode yet. No, no. It's different very interesting. And and and honest, tell us one thing about Norman Lloyd about working with a great Norman, Lloyd. To do this show. By the way, we say this one hundred four hundred four just stopped playing tennis like three years ago. Patel told us he was up until like a year ago. He would drive himself to the set that he was Judd because he knows that I worked with them. Judge took me in Norman to lunch. I went two weeks ago to lunch with Norman I said to Norman like why did you stop playing tennis? He said he went to this few years back. He swung for a ball and his legs gave out and he just fell on his face. And they rushed him to the hospital. And he said, Dr you know, my legs gave out. What's wrong? And the doctor said your fucking hundred years old nothing. Hundred years old. Nothing's wrong. I can't fix a hundred regale you guys with stories about Keaton and chaplain and Hitchcock that's amazing from the time. I met him. He was on Saint elsewhere with me for those that don't know. Yes. Always. Here's a guy that worked face to face with Charlie Chaplin credible. Here's a guy that works with Alfred Hitchcock. Here's the guy. And he is even though he can't play tennis. The most witty the most. He's he's so with it right now. And he could tell you these stories as if these stories happened yesterday in detail, and it's just amazing. What a treasure to have somebody that you gotta get you. He won't do the podcast. We asked them twice. I know he's done a handful of them. But you gotta make it easy. Are you willing to go to him -absolutely? We'll send an engineer right to his house. I think about this. Don't ask. Yeah. Just show up. Can I talk to you for minute. Dude was a meal. Of course, we're still trying to get screech from saved by the belted, isn't he incarcerated? He still in jail. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect name for a little skinny Greek guy in prison someone that does that must be the sound coming out of the showers now. You want? Is that screech you wanna talk to you wanna talk? How we about taking over you or the other co owner of of just for laughs. Yeah. I'm very excited about that. I never dreamed. I never first of all, you know, I got into comedy on a dare. And I was for most of my, you know, I don't have a GED and I was in air. Well, and now it's really hard for me to say. But I am an owner a partner in a festival people say what do you do? I have a festival a festival. I'm I am in charge of festival very festive. I've never heard of anybody. I never met anybody that had a festival, but just for laughs is the consummate, you know, mecca for everything comedy. Gilbert, you've been there UMP teen time. Oh, yeah. And people were discovered there shoul, and and lots of and everybody who's anybody from all over the world has played their two million people go through it. It it. It's in Montreal every July two million people go through and now it's expanded. There's a there's a satellite festival in Toronto Vancouver, Sydney. And my might take on what I would like to do. I don't want to change it. I just wanna make it more known outside of you know, the comedy world. You know, we know even if you're not really into music. There isn't anybody? That's not heard of Coachella. And there's not anybody that doesn't know, you know, Woodstock what? So you want to expand its reach a little bit. And it's yeah. They haven't they haven't as we've kind of shit on social media. Now, I wanna Impreza. Brace. It's not too late race. You know, you know, that a Coachella beyond say did the had the number one rated YouTube performance in the history of YouTube out of Coachella. I think we have all these comics there there are so many, you know, whether we embrace twitch or Twitter, more Instagram or Facebook live. There's so many things we could do or combining game. Bring just expand the knowledge that the home of comedy, and where it kind of is celebrated more than any other place in the world is Montreal is just for laughs. Neil berkeley. By the way, you were talking about who made Gilbert stock is doing a show for Amazon called inside jokes. I mean, then you're in it. Yeah. We'll give Neil the plug to. Okay. Follows hopefuls seven hopefuls. Yeah. Because I think that there is a, you know, there was that what was the movie last year with the guy the Indian guy who had the wife who got sick sick the big sick. Yeah. I think the b story was he was trying out to be on. J F L. You know, that's right. That was the way we showcasing for. And that's what he was trying to do. That's right. So it is a known commodity. So and I are take. So Amazon has Neil show. I think we shot something like for international purposes. Thirteen different Netflix specials, not necessarily in English for all over the world. So we just want to launch things out of their internationally. So people go kind of like what my template or my analogy is kind of like what national lampoon was in the seventy great everything that was national lampoon. Whether we know it is a magazine, but you also know and national Poon vacation so could be movies and specials. That's what J F L should be great. I hope that happens. I look forward to that so many cards. I know. Some of them to be fair. Leftover from the last time I was in Montreal with Gilbert one time and we were in a bar. Oh. You know, the story. We were sitting in a restaurant, and it was a Spanish new and two women come into their beautiful and show and like five minutes later. Three women come in prettier than last two and five minutes later four women coming in this keeps on going. It's like a joke like restaurant of beautiful women. And Gilbert goes how do we meet them? And I said by Madrid and give it goes what's plan b? A sense tap water. Tell us one more thing about Blake Edwards. If a if a funny story comes to mind anything Blake Edwards. Love Richard mulligan, too in that movie. Yeah. Fun. It was fun. You know, I don't really know how you know, the movie didn't do well, but it kind of launched me and movies as far as at that time in the eighties. I made a concerted effort. To not do anymore movies. You work with to comedy. I cons Melvin Frank to as well as. But I enjoy the enjoy the experiences. No, I didn't like. Blake Edwards aside because I was in LA, I didn't like the idea of going someplace on location for three months doing a patchwork, you know, each and every day not getting immediate response. It made me incredibly neurotic 'cause I never left at the end of the day. I should've said it like this. Maybe I should have done it like that. And not seeing and not having any control. I'm a control freak, you know, not having any control. And then a year later. It would come out. I just didn't it wasn't funding sitting in the tree. It would just so slow. It was so isolated. It was. So it's it's everything that I hate. Every reason I love everything else. I do didn't exist in movie making like it was okay on on Saint elsewhere because say now's where I was part of a non samba cast. So I'd come in for you know, two days a week and three days a week. I'd be on the road and had a couple lines. And I did it and it was television. And would you know, if you weeks later, you see it on TV and trust? Trust yourself for three or four months. Don't sit in trailer for. Sit in trailer for. Hours. No, you go there and do it. You did a lot of movies Gilbert, did you do you like that process? Yeah. It's I well, I remember I think Edgewood, you Robinson said I don't get paid for the acting. I get paid for waiting around. It's funny that he said that and that's how I feel about stand up comedy stand up comedy. I do for free. What you're paying me for is to get on a plane, leave LA and leave my family and live in a hotel. And but my moment that I'm on stage. Even if it's an hour. It's seventy minutes, or whatever that's free and leafing leading to that is a little bit is is is tough stormy Daniels said the same thing. How did you like doing a sitcom John that? Difficult transition to sitting around. I was executive. I was ro-. I wrote on it. I and I started it. So there was I was constantly second half on NBC. Yes. Sure. Was. Yeah. So I was constantly busy to the point where I would have to wake up at four o'clock in the morning to do east coast radio. And then I would I would have to go to work, and I go to writer's room for couple of hours and hang out there. Then I have to go on stage. And then I would have to go into audition period. And I have to go into the right on back on stage again, then back on that was when it when it ended. I kinda wanted to go on 'cause who didn't want, you know, it was a it was a lot of fun. But there was also that parliament was going I could I would kill myself exhausted. I don't know how Seinfeld did it. I mean, I he his office was next to mine. And you know, he was shoved down power bars and stuff like that. And, you know, fortunately, its own great like Larry David that to bounce off of. But it was it was I mean, it was a beating it was a serious thing. I don't understand people who go on vaca- not vacation. The people who go on location for like two years to shoot a movie, and it's like, you know, it's just out there. And it's like, and then when the movie comes out, it's like, you know, three people see it, and it's forgotten about. But even if it's big, you know, I remember at the time you and me we're going out, and we were doing movies and Tom Hanks, he was doing the bachelor party like around the same time and those were LA and they were easier, but then he had a family. You know, Tom Hanks had a family, and he did brilliant Academy Award winning performances. But can you imagine I wouldn't? And that's why he deserves the the accolades he gets, you know, when what was that one where he was stranded on the island castaway, you know, he the number one, you know, not really dying with his family because he at the lose all that. Then he had to go live for months and months and months twice. She had to go there because he they shot half the movie before he got stra- made another movie another movie, right? I'm just saying that's a big he deserves awards, and he deserves the accolades because you really have to make a choice that this. You know, for me comedy is part of my life for me hosting his part of my life for me festivals part of my life. But first and foremost for me, and I think for you now is family, you know, and that's what keeps me sane. And that's what keeps me alive. And I've heard you say the only place you don't feel anxieties performing. Well, I I need it. You know? I said it's my panacea. Whether it's laughter. It's the the thing is it's because I got so much shit going on in my head and I suffer from eighty and depression and things like that. When you're in the moment, when you don't have that much of a plan or weighing you're on stage, and you have to think of the next year, not thinking or worrying or caring or the, you know. And that's the kind of thing that allowed Gilbert more than me to cross the line because you're not thinking you're getting in the moment, you're totally engage in you're not thinking, and it's in those quiet moments when the shit hits the fan, and you're not doing anything that it's really hard to cope, you both agree with that is that the most useful time onstage for me every times. I feel miserable flying to the job. You do L miserable onstage if you'll miserable moment. Oh, but you know, what? I I was thinking when you were saying how quiet moments it's like is there. Anything more sadder and depressing and suicidal than lying in bed in the middle of night. No, that's what I'm saying. Sandra gig. Specifically, general quiet is there's nothing going. So there's nothing going on around you. It's like, you know, the people go in they say, it's really good that people who meditate they go into that. What do you call those tubes that they go in? They live. Yeah. That's nice deprivation. But that's what night feels like. So when it's dark, and when it's quiet, and when I'm not sleeping, which is I have trouble with. So what happens nothing? Good nothing. Good happens in my head. But if I've onstage John agrees. I live alone. Get into a fight with his wife play tonight. Log you for now. For fucking nine hours. So that onstage even if you're doing what you've done a million times. You've got to think about what you're going to do next. You got to do that. It's an easier time. Is it not? Yeah. Well, it's it's it's so funny thoughts that happened to you on your on stage where you're going. Oh now this next this next part of the joke. Never quite works. But that but that business that's going on your head is easier for you to survive. Yes. Then lying in bed with no you've got that people would say when you're off work if I'm lying in bed, and I got no responsibility. But just to lie here that is hard to survive, but standing there in front of a couple of hundred or couple thousand strangers thinking this next piece properly doesn't work it doesn't work. That's an easier. Comfortable place for everybody. And you know, I just different topic. But it's funny because you know, Frank comes you at all like a billion index card. And his writing looks like it was a professional print place. And never seen anybody. Like personally have a fund and thank you. And like the first time we had you on the podcast. I had like two crumpled pieces of paper like it was a grocery list. And I could barely make it out. It was like it would be like. Water and stuff like and it was misspelled and sloppy. And I was having and this is what always stuck with me because I guess it's mental illness too. You you looked at Frank's notes, and you looked at mine, and yours, we're more like mine. Yeah. You looked at this. And you said see this makes total sense to me. Well, you use her mental illness, and I call it mental health. I don't think we're ill. I think that whatever our health is. You know, it's like you have to and this is, you know, this is my little soapbox. You know? I don't think there's anybody alive. You know, we talk about it out loud. And maybe we act out loud in a way that allows people to say, you know, in the skies sane disguise crazy. This guy doesn't have a line that he won't step over this guy. You know, is is inappropriate. The truth. Is there isn't anyone alive that doesn't need coping skills? And until we recognize that and make that part of our curriculum intil, we are comfortable, and and we have humility, and we can make that our mental health is important as our dental health people go you send your kids every year to go get a checkup. Look, no cavities. Nobody is sent to just answer questions as a five year old as a six year old and all the shit. We're dealing with in life. You know, they're taking away jobs from people like you and me and people are complaining about you. And me and the always look for another thing or they complain about gardens. It's mental health mental health is the answer every single problem in this world when people become fanatical about whether they're the religion when they become angry when they become. Pressed when depending on how you're dealing with a relationship the break up of a relationship, how do you deal coping with raising children? How do you cope with productivity? You know, how do you that could be coping skill that Frank has five billion fucking parts in front of them? I've never saw would he put out these notes do a podcast. This is I don't know if he was considering doing a twenty four hour, how Mandel these aren't even that many questions in this business for forty years. I have not been asked that. Past that, you have written give me options if you wanna talk about saying elsewhere, we go over there. If you wanna talk about the movies, we we can do that famous issues. I know it's organization. I also over prepare, right? Just in case, we all have our thing. That's it. You know, if it wasn't for mental health if it wasn't for comedy. We would have been dead forty years ago. Oh, yeah. First time you walked into catch a rise. I'll bet you got a hard on like you never had that was a clubhouse that was your place with at holy shit. I belong someplace, and that's what kept you alive. All these me him that was that was the safest place we'd ever been we never fit in anyplace else before and this would first time enough fucking life. We can say all that crazy shit ahead and get away with it in my early days at the clubs. I remember thinking, you know, if they could if I could get on every one of the clubs have few times tonight and do it the entire night. I dreamt about that. I thought I would do that clubs twenty four hours a day. I would go and for. Phone twenty four I thought the same way. And I still kind of still do that I'll drop in on the clubs, you know, that you've been with me, and I need to be there. And it was never a, you know, I'm very lucky, and I've had some success and people have got, you know, some notoriety and people pay me, but the truth of the matter is that's not I didn't give a ship, and when I showed up I just wanted stage time, I just wanted to do that. And if nobody knew who I was I swear to you, it wouldn't matter. And if nobody was giving me a paycheck. It wouldn't matter. I'd be happy being a waiter all day and being able to go all night and stand on stage and have people laugh and kind of relate to what I'm saying. Have to hang out with yourself. Don't wanna go afterwards Gilbert alone. Thank god. If all you guys found outlets. Oh, you guys found outlets and survived. How he plugs deal or no deal? America's got talent. Howie Mandel dot com. Yes dealer. No deals. The big thing. Now, it's going to premiere December third on NBC the biggest it's a holiday special. It hasn't been on for ten years and we've got a big holiday special. And then it moves to CNBC starting December third, but December fifth is the first one so watch that John anything plug, no. No. Trip. Last thing is you should say you working on a special in Holland. Yes, I'm working on a special in Holland less things just for fun Gilbert trivia you and how he both played the same character the same fictional character. Who it is miss Pickwick? There we go. Very good. And so I guess we got our. That's it. Okay. We know by the way before you forget, you you. Cost me a fortune. How let's hear this one night. He's he's talking to Deirdre in a comedy club. And and and I said, I'm dating Girling goes, she's crazy. Don't get away from going. Don't don't don't stay away from a I married her and had two kids with a and every so often you would pop into my fuck and head going walkaway. So can I replugged plug my dates goes Semper fifth December third. Yes. That's where I was doing it backwards December third it's on NBC. We'll get holiday specialist in time. So right before that. Okay. This up December second you bet. Okay. There's not a Monday. It's Monday only put the show up Monday. Is it is is that a Monday, we got it worked out. So if it's next week. What is the number third day of the week is that so next Monday. Up next Monday a week today on NBC after ten years. December third you got to watch dealer. No deal. It's a holiday special. And then you watch at the end of that it'll tell you the Szemberg fifth. It comes on on CNBC. You bet buddy. Thank God it. They say it's been Gilbert Godfrey to Mason colossal podcast with Mike co host Frank Santo Padre once again recorded that ear wolf with our engineer Frankford. Rosa, and this would have been a good interview if John manteaux tosa kept his mouth shut. Just trying to take every fucking second this show. Anyway, sorry. He ping. Who are palled? Great, Howie Mandel. Thanks gents. I've dropped the great for my thanks for coming in. I never got some. I realize. Late. Thanks, fellas. Feeds amazing podcast is produced by Darah Godfried. And thanks to Jay with audio production by Frankfurt Orissa web. And social media is handled by Mike. And John seals special audio contributions by John beach special thanks to John John Murray and Paul Rayburn. Hey there Conan O'Brien new podcast on air wolf. It's called Conan O'Brien needs a friend. See over the years. I've talked to thousands of celebrities on different TV shows and always thought I'd become friends with these people. It just hasn't happened. So here's what I'm doing running my favorite funny people on the podcasts. And this is great because it's free from FCC regulation. We can talk about whatever we want. They're gonna loosen up. And we're really. And these are terrific people people I would like to be friends with people like Kristen bell Bill Burr. First guest will Ferrell always wanted to be best friends with feral. Hi. My name is will Farrell make it my crusade. And my life's work to tell people to not do this podcast. You can hear my first episode with will Ferrell right now. Just find Conan O'Brien needs a friend in your podcast. Subscribe seeing miss a single episode. You have to listen to all of them because the end brittle. Brittle.

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MTN To Launch 5G Network in South Africa Next Week

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MTN To Launch 5G Network in South Africa Next Week

"Kara's the news at this hour on Africa Business Radio. Mobile operates emptying. Group will launch its five G. Commercial Network in South Africa next week. John Infocomm Group, and vein in race to expand fifth generation technology in the country. The firm is hosting a virtual launch event on June thirty. You were empty and south, Africa's CEO Godfrey Matser with present with other officials last November, Swedish mobile telecoms equipment maker. Ericsson announced that it had been selected by empty and South Africa to this new to you. Cool Mobile Radio Network. And that was the news at this time when Africa Business Radio. You can't continue to this in life. Online at www Africa business radio that come or von APP. Thank you for listening.

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Now Available: The Beauty Closet

The goop Podcast

04:36 min | 1 year ago

Now Available: The Beauty Closet

"<music> in my past life I did video segments on things like the importance of a statement earing which is hilarious review reasons that we don't need to go into here. I've never felt fully competent when it comes to the world of beauty but there's one person who has made it more accessible and taught me more about beauty than anyone else. You probably know who I'm talking about that would be the one and only gene Godfrey June. The Starve Goups asked Jean Column and much more gene and I met years ago when we both worked out Lucky magazine. She is a real legend in the industry and for the past few years goop. She's had a pretty amazing sidekick in our beady editor Megan O.`Neil who was also a lucky alum you might recognize is Megan from her own. GOOP column Megan tries it and now gene and Megan are starting their own podcast series called the beauty closet. The first season which is ten episodes has just launched with Gwyneth of their first guest G._P.'s episode. Sodas followed by gene and Megan's dream lineup top makeup artist dermatologists clean beauty founders researchers and plastic surgeons. Every conversation on the beauty closet is a little different but each one seeks to answer the questions about beauty that we hear women asking the most whether that's about out lasers and injectables perfecting the no makeup makeup look or the secret to glowing skin or about rethinking the way we define beauty and what it means to feel pretty or sexy and whether we can or should try to sustain that as we get older or is she puts it in her episode. What happens to your identity is a woman if you're not considered Huckabee'll which actually sounds pretty great coming from G._p.? So there's a lot to impact and Megan and gene are just total characters when they're together. You have to listen to hear what I mean. Start with the first episode with G._P.. And then subscribe to the beatty closet to keep up with new episodes which will be landing on Wednesdays for more INFO had to give dot com slash beauty closet podcast in the meantime. Here's a quick sample from the beauty closet. <hes> do you feel the most beautiful now or when what. What age did you did you? Do you feel the man I mean. It's hard because I feel like I've never felt like I've always felt so funny about my looks and like I think I think that it's very rare to think that you're beautiful person and so I feel like every other woman like I don't see see that when I look in the mirror I think for me it's more internally feeling healthy as I go on in life and I feel more and more myself and less judgmental about myself and you oh my values become clear to me. I can be an integrity all the time which was much harder when you're younger woman on you're trying to please and juggling all this stuff and then I have you know this other added bizarre layer. Layer which is I've been considered to be this woman beautiful women well. You know how I'm piping considered not by everyone but but it's a weird it's a weird thing to be. I don't mean pejorative way objectified but you know like cast is something and put in a box and then I think when you come to age if if you're if you've this broad identity as that like what is it means changed to two goals then yeah get closer to menopause and all these things and it's like what happens here identity as a woman if you're not fuck -able and what does happen will you just luckily what's happening at the same time in parallel as I said like you just start to like yourself. It's like Dion I number go saying like man and I do. I think you get to a point where it's almost like. You're sort of poker. Tube is waning in a way and your inner beauty is like really coming out and so the it's this funny shift that's happening. It's like you feel so good. You know who you are hopefully.

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Drew Friedman

Gilbert Gottfried's Amazing Colossal Podcast

1:31:40 hr | 11 months ago

Drew Friedman

"This is Amy Ryan and you are listening to Gilbert Godfrey DHS amazing colossal podcast Hi This is Gilbert Godfrey nisus Gilbert Godfrey to mazing colossal podcast with my co hosts. Frank Santo Padre. Where coming do you courtesy up the star Burns audio network again? I'm having the French Vanilla Latte our guest this week. It's as close as we get to a regular on this. Show kind of like Rod Hull and his Zemo on the Hudson Brothers razzle dazzle show. He's a humorous cartoonist author Showbiz historian and celebrated award-winning illustrator whose work has graced the pages of the New York Observer. Spy esquire national lampoon in detainment weekly. Newsweek time the New York Times The Wall Street Journal The New Yorker and the late great mad magazine. He's been a key figure in American comic book and Comic Strip Culture for decades publishing collections. War Gen all. The Fun never stops too soon and private lives of public figures. Several of them co written by his wife and frequent collaborator. Kathy be dusk or beat US candy. Beat he she. He does with a rod sometimes. Sometimes we pay her and she beat sized. Sometimes we say Kathy believes be any. He's also the illustrator and author of drew. Friedman sideshow freaks drew preatment chosen people and historical poetry series heroes of the comics as well as providing illustrations for Howard. Stern's bestselling books Miss America and Private Parts. He's essential three volume series all Jewish comedians featuring lovingly liver-spotted portrait of everyone from victim. Borge Buddy Hackett Duck. Gumbo marks are practically guidebooks for this varied podcast. His brand new book is too old the president's featuring painstakingly accurate rendering of bill. Forty five men to serve as commander in chief so. I assume he'll tell us if Calvin coolidge had a big Sean. Then John Quincy Adams back with us once again taste shed. Some needed light on old thing. Sham is the Vermeer of the Borscht belt and the artist. Formerly known as JUDE DOTS ARE PAL drew. Friedman thank you Gilbert. Thank you frank. Thank you great to be back. I have a question for Groucho. Okay yes and let me get this one. Time is wasted. Let me get this one out of the way Groucho. Why did you fuck Richard? Pryor up the S. prerecord Trigo newsroom? Thank you I always wondered. That's a nice icebreaker. Mad Magazine. Really Gone I. I don't know what to make of that. It seems to be just a new issue a few weeks ago. Gilbert's not rating the supply room for free issues. Something is wrong. Well they moved to Los Angeles unless you want to fly out there now. Free Issues Sixty seven years. I'm not buying that. They're gone you. Just don't get that sense. They sent me a pile of issues. I know it say I was surprised. I just by reading here just learned about that okay. I'm very surprised PAL. Al Jaffee is going strong at ninety seven. Ninety seven. She'll be he'll be ninety eight in March about that. He's drawing anymore. I'd probably little shaky. These guys they get a little trial. Schultz gavel. Shaky towards and David Levine. So they you know somebody has to convince them to stop Gilbert. Loved having Al on the show in your great great stories. She's sweetest guy I know he's become a friend. He's a sweet guy. He did an inch introduction to my book heroes of the comics. He he gave that story. That was the most chilling story one about his mom. Yeah and then closing the gate at least very hard for a whole preaching that coming over to this country as a kid off. They're funny had you know he was funny and he had talent so he went to the high school music and art. Yeah and met will elder and Harvey Kertzman. Those guys eat. The rest was history. A great American Success Story. A lot of those guys are still with us. A lot of your debartolo still around. Right Arnie. Kogen FRANK JACOBS'S STILL. Sergio organised is still around the younger ones. More truckers still Angelo Torres. More trucker style. I I don't think I got a call. I don't think I've I've I've mentioned this before online on on air but a reporter from New York Times called me and said drew I'm writing more truckers obituary Could you give me a few lines? I sit Oh Shit. Mort drucker died. This is like two years out. Yeah because Oh no no. We write those in advance. I said okay so I gave him some. I talked about more specialty is what a hero is to me and everything how wonderful he is and then you know he thanked me and everything and then afterwards. I thought it was really. I think I said some good stuff. It's like I'm looking forward to seeing that imprint. I Fono Shit to me that torn. Yeah how old is more was born. Nineteen twenty nine so the eight at ninety one ninety one but she does enjoy the I think he he He doesn't see so good. You befriended the Great Jack Davis to well. Yeah we did a whole talk and I ask them questions that he didn't really know how to answer because I wanted to ask him about. If he had met people he drawn over the years and if he was a fan so I asked him. Are you or are you a fan of the monkeys? Because he drew them many times and he said no no. I didn't particularly like them. Use a sweet southern gentleman and usually he cared about watching football on playing golf. You know so and getting out on the guy that on the golf course at two o'clock every afternoon he just wanted to wrap up his work so I said. Are you a Howard Stern fan? Because he used to draw Howard for it. We're W NBC. He goes no not a Fan. I said how about Don Imus. He said no not fan. I said how about homer and Jeff throw because he did a ton of their covey said nope never liked them. So you know I were a it was like during the sixties every other movie poster. Yeah was designed. It was a golden era. Starting with it's a mad mad mad mad world was the first one he did and then I think he also dead. If it's Tuesday it must be Belgium. The night they raided messy that no he didn't. Actually that was frank presenter. Yeah that was yeah. That was present. And he actually. He drew for that. He presented painted Davis to nine hundred. Sixty eight and Bert. Lahr is in the original poster but Bert Lahr died before the film came out so they had they took him out of the poster and put it in his British comic was also in the movie. I forget. His name offhand But he had to be removed from the I. Have I have both versions of the Bert Lahr version and then you could see they replaced burt lars face with with this other guy and who was it that used to draw the border are to the edge of the pages? Harvey Kertzman did the original border art for Mad. And is that what you're thinking? Those tiny cartoon knows. Harvey Guardsmen then later on Sergio going. It's sort of in yours. You're doodling style Gilbert. Yes those little those little tiny tiny figures. Yeah you've seen his doodles. I love him. I wanted a book of your work. Published Yeah Fanta Graphics and I was pushing for it and I hope it still happens. Yeah but you have to do more. I think there's only twenty drawings yes this you have to expand fire moved to Florida more timely. Exactly this this is oh go ahead. I would like to do with forward to that book when you finally absolute now if you you know if you're if if that's enough to get you get your working on the work you know it's like you know. I. It's interesting before the show started here. in the men's room Both me and drew with our with our dicks out being in the urinals and this is absolutely true drew says to me so when Rondo Hatton. He was discovered by a guy in his hometown. What we some movie. May and we got into our Rhonda where they're holding our DICKS and Ping and talking about how Rondo Hatton jerking off. Because I have known each other Gilbert and I have known each tell the back story to people about forty years and when we see each other we just launch into talking about you know usually old har- movies George Zakho or onslow Stevens or more obscure the legacy. Of course you'll launch any junior especially but we just like like naturally just segue into that is if like we've been talking like Fif- last you know like week or sign a lot will coursing and And also drew lived about a block and a half from my mother in East village. Yeah show I visit my mother and then on the way home I stop off and this was always the same thing the door. I wouldn't neither one of US would say hello to each other. I sit down on the couch and you put in. I had a VCR. Do you have a VCR yet? I joke they come in handy but I had to be in the early eighties and east. So you'd stop by unannounced yes and take off your coat and sit down. And we'd watch the master or the haunted strangler or Our favorite Launch any film launching the junior film Where he plays the convict comes back to the in destructive right and we'd sit there in silence she's films. We didn't communicate no no like to mental cases and then Cathy come home from work and she said to me what is he doing. Here is Richard Deacon Cope back on him and send them back to his mother and then I get back. I get up without saying goodbye to each other and I just leave. There was no communication hardly any communication. We just watch these movies. You know because I had a little collection and and the the Ju- dot Ch is unreal. Both working for national lamp. That's right those are the unfunny years. Yes and that's when they walk them thus in Yes. We became heroes. That's right they they passed. It was an editorial decision. I believe. Okay we're GonNa what should we do? Now let's make the magazine unfunny humor. That's when Gilbert and I finally became right before the padlock came then moved onto. You know God knows what happens. Humira articles and then I would see like drew walk in with his art boards and his latest drawings and he used to make like this shading dot Sir millions of the little dot and I saw used to start screaming jude dot. Did you bring some year? Jude DOTS here. And that's true. That's true that's how that started like like like not taught me but follow me around screaming. Ju Ju dots okay. What's your point. Yes show more you ju- dot and I guess that was An but now now because you're because of your eyesight you doing shading rather than actually doing more dots weirdly. I'm kind of reverting back to the dots with the brush. Okay it's a it's an interesting process but I'm actually brushing them on so like more faded. I mean it just like a revolving process where I'm all so you can revise that it's fine. Yes and I do have another question for Groucho. Groucho why did you murder? Jimmy Hoffa Kush true newsroom. Monday gambler sugar or Chico likes to camp would lose money. Gameboy shoe is water or log. Show Chewco go on a show. I kill Jimmy. I'm going to do a segue here since you brought him. We talked on the phone. And you said you had a story. That's connected to the Irishman. Well first of all Kathy and I loved the Irishman. We've watched it four times. You finish it kill no. He's we gotTa Watch this Secondhand with you know we have. I even have a copy of it okay. So it's worth watching long. It's three and a half hours. Yeah Deniro never sounds Irish for a second but he's great and Pacino you know it's like Chino want us over first time. It's like okay. It's kind of comedy mid Western Shack. And he's so Italian he's playing on Irish jokes. Nothing like Jimmy Short. Yeah but Nicholson amazing. Yes I think you know it's like You know we we love the film. We keep discovering new things about it and everything but one of the particular reasons I tr- I love it so much is because there's a sequence that features The murder of of Joey Gallo with the character like is takes responsibility for so. So I'm just GONNA cut back to like the late sixties. The actor Jerry. Orbach was in one of my dad's plays they stayed close. Yes so in the early seventies Jerry Orbach and his wife used to host these parties in New York in their apartment and then a beautiful brownstone in the Murray Hill area and they invited my parents and my my my brothers and I to the party the first party in the early seventies and David David Steinberg was there. It was like celebrities and friends. It was beautiful Brownstone so my brothers and I gravitated up to the third floor where there was this great pool table and so we started like we didn't know what we're doing but we start playing with the pool table shooting pool. And this guy was standing there. This little guy not not very tall. Kind of like nondescript. He looked like Hector Alesando without without the to pay and he had a big mole on his cheek and he came up and he says. Hey My name is Joey. I'd like to show you guys how to play pool with a low okay. Great so he worked with us like showing us how to like you know. Chalk the Q. And shoot shoot crazy job. Well it's like you know he just seemed like such the sweet Aski- and he was fussing on us and he like learned our names and he said my name is Joey and you know so it was just great and then I went down to the kitchen. He was down in the kitchen with the women. Like Jerry Auerbach's wife Marta. My mother I think modest Mother was there other women and he was like chopping onions. He was helping them set up. Food like the sweetest guy and it was just like you know keeping to himself basically but the next day you know we lived in great neck so we drove home so the next day I went up to my After school I went up to my dad's office and the rule was if you hear him. Typing my dad was a writer is a writer. You don't go in his office because that means working but he wasn't typing so I walked in and he says true what you think of that guy. Last night joey I said seemed like a nice guy he goes. Did you know he's a? He's a gangster named Joe Gal. He's killed people. I was like twelve. I said really I was impressed. Yeah like them even says yeah he said. I was just curious what you thought must have. My father wasn't that thrilled with the idea. That we were socializing. Joey Galloway because we got invited back the more parties off. Joey Gallo was always there the same thing we just fuss on. Us especially my younger brother kept was really little at the time. And you know so. Joey was really helping him out. `specially finally Joe Yellow invited my parents to dinner so my dad who was friends with Mary puzo their old friends. They were talking on the phone. My Dad mentioned that to Mario. Puzo says what do you think he invited us to dinner? And Mario Puzo Jess said. That's not intelligent so it didn't happen and just a couple months later. Joey Gallo was killed at you. Know the clam bar but yeah I'm Barbara Clam Bar and it's in the movie right. Well done yeah. They used to call them crazy. Gerald the actor in the movie didn't really look like Joey Gallo. I none nobody in that movie and I heard with Robert Deniro even when they try to make them look young. He's walking around lunchtime over this one meeting a guy in front of a store and you could see is an older. Seventy five yes. He's an older man kicking the guy in these kind of like holding his hands tight right. I gotta go with it. I never look at never. I never bought the film and I think it's just such a great comedy too. I mean so much funny stuff especially the Jimmy Hoffa Provenzano stuff screaming in each other like children and then a rolling around on the floor trying to kill each other you mentioned Steinberg. Steinberg was the best manage always wedding. Yeah told that on this podcast probably met at Jerry Orbach David Steinberg Com. Steinberg side interrupt. David Steinberg also wrote Shell about the Marx brothers In the late sixty s before he was famous and I think he liked presented the script the Groucho. This was before. Minnie's boys graduate didn't like the script I don't think interesting. Yeah and then of course Groucho. When doing Minnie's boys they wanted to cast toady feels as mini and Groucho was dead set against that. They wound up with shelley. Winters proposed shelley winters graduates. Happy that would that. Because he liked big jugs. I've never seen these boys. I saw when I was a eleven and I loved it but I know Groucho is in the audience because he was the consultant on the show so we went to my mother. Mother and father took us to see the show. It was it wasn't a hit. It was a flop but it ran for a few months graduate sitting in the audience at every performance. You know in the fourth row so I like you know intermission. I went through people's legs just to get up to them and presented by playbill which he signed which I still have. And that's my first encounter with Groucho. Several yeah he was eighty eighty at the time. And he what? He hasn't had any strokes yet. So he's still link. Somebody told us. I can't remember which guessed. It was told a very funny story about a it. Was Ron Friedman. Check the relation no relation but check. There's a great story about shelley winters in an Minnie's boys which I won't go into here but it's play groucho still around as the son of Alan Swift He hated shelley went through. She said she was just the most unpleasant person to work with and Leeann not surprising. Now I mean she was like But you know the the review I remember. That show wasn't a very good show. None of the music was good. But I think one of the Times reporter Clive Barnes or the reviewers said you know the show just when it would start getting off the ground with like Marx brothers routine routines like being revived shelley. Winters would enter and Gumbo up the works. Did you hear our interview with Bill Marks? Yes yeah so. We got to see started singing spontaneously. Hello I must be going to move couple times. Yeah I remember. I'll never forget someone telling me. They saw many sports and they said at one point Something happened in the audience and guy. Playing groucho started at living. And and I'm thinking I'll bet you if you go you could probably time your watch too. When he starts at the living in the play I would imagine but you have to think that he felt under pressure Groucho Marx himself would be sitting in the audience. You practically throughout its entire run and this Louis J Stadler who was very good as Groucho was up there with Groucho looking at him. Like what must achieve a have been going through He wrote an autobiography. I didn't read it but I always wondered about Peter. Rieger was in that show. He was in one of the one of the production's check. Oh Yeah yes right. You took the part over floyd audition for Chico for the original production. I think he was seventy eight seventeen at the time. He didn't get it but they had revivals at over the K. Babbler Ballard was in one revival Like as many as like all these miscast actresses. Yeah and it wasn't it just wasn't there's no memorable songs from it. We will return to Gilbert Godfrey JR amazing colossal podcast after this support for Gilbert Godfrey. It's amazing colossal. 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I think the best written coconuts may be a little slow because it was kinda creepy but still works. You Okinawa still funny. I agree and You know practically my favorite films monkey business and that's not every Marx brothers fans favourite. But I think that's my favorite just because maybe because Bobby Barbara's in it you know yeah I had a frog in his. I'm addict soup man. Yeah most people was the last of Gino's win the Marx brothers after duck soup. Well I I always thought night at the opera was the beginning of the end for them. Yeah because they were slowing down in there. They were making sense why they were doing. They were heroes and they were like sticking up for the for the you know for Kitty. Carlisle Maureen O'Sullivan and the other one and also the musical interludes were really getting. They weren't anarchists anymore. Not really stake sells David You know the do Saul. Berg of a coup groucho loved. The Authority. Said like those are the best films they also made money. They were profit of one of the reasons. They were big. Mgm Stars. They were making more money and chuckled. Played Poker with with Albert. You know they were really tight with them so when you know you know all this when when Thalberg died they were set adrift at Mgm. And mayor hated them. He didn't get them. He didn't get the Marx brothers wasn't his kind of humor. You know so it was over and you know chicken needed the money. I heard head coach true and and I heard that at one point net hike and said he wanted to write a mock spur. This movie which I think would have been great. It's been great. And also. Billy wilder wanted to make a mark brothers at the UN. Later on you know it. It probably wouldn't have turned very well. It was like they were old. Yeah it was after the story of mankind so yeah. Oh jewel jewel. Joe also tells her those were scary. So since you've alluded to it and you've told the stories before tell us again quickly about the other two meetings with Groucho. Because THEY'RE WORTH HEARING. Oh and he was a fan of. Your Dad's right. Your Dad was a we. You know my first encounter. I was eleven at Minnie's boys that was I didn't meet him. I just went up to him and people are getting autographs so my dad was invited to a party at this Jimmy. Supper club which was a Popular Supper Club will remind our listeners. Who Don't know that. Your Dad is is Bruce. Jay Friedman the celebrated so he was in the T- There was a party for teachers. Scotch teachers carts through the party because hiring old comedian. Ed Yeah Shera mended and they got George Burns and then Groucho. All of a sudden didn't add for Teachers Scotch and so Jimmy's supper club hosted a party for Groucho. My Dad's somehow got invited. This is late. Nineteen seventy two So my dad mentioned it to me and brought me. You know and So graduates with Erin Fleming and And we approached them and gradually just seen the heartbreak kid which was based on my dad's short story and he knew it. I mean knew. My Dad was connected you should. I just saw your film. The heartbreak and you know it was really wonderful. You know so he would. Just you know who's pleasant. He had already had some strokes. He was slowed down. But that basically it Erin Fleming was with them but Erin Fleming like my dad in fact. She had a little crush on him. So because A couple years later she invited a my dad and my might myself and my two brothers to grandma's house this is nineteen seventy five so groucho would would have been seventy five to his house for the whole day in. Hollywood is like that modern house. He had up in the Hollywood hills so I would have been sixteen so we spent the whole day at Groucho spouse. You know like and it was interesting because like there were famous people coming in and out like Elliott Gould and Sally Kellerman. Dennis Wilson came in and it was like people were kind of like saying hi to graduation and disappearing in the back and my theory is that there was cocaine being offered back in the ballpoint luring all these young Hollywood types blood court into all types. You're about it. Used to like hang out of Groucho says always there regulars and but Dennis Wilson was there and he he comes in I. I was just like basically I was just like staring at Groucho. I was there throughout the whole they just staring at them and thinking my head. I'm probably the luckiest kidney entire world right now. At this moment you know just like looking at Groucho and you know he was singing songs and everything Erin Fleming was doing the mark the Margaret Dumont Pine and so Dennis Wilson Walks in. It's like Oh cool. And he goes up the graduates pleasure to meet you. Sir and Groucho looks at me has no idea who is he. Looks up and then a guy comes in and goes says he comes up to grouchy. Goes My name is is mark and Raja looks at macos. What's your first name trade but How old would he have been at? This point was eighty five eighty five of the twentieth century because graduates born in eighteen nineties in nineteen. Thirty Groucho was forty and so on so one thousand nine. Seventy GROUCHO was eighty. Nine hundred seventy five. He was eighty five. He died two years later but you know he was really slowed down but he liked kids he he liked young but I heard West on my brothers and I you know we and I sat there and I watch them eat his lunch and he was dribbling React chicken creamed chicken and his nurse at the like. Wipe it off. We put them to bed. We actually put to go to bed early but before he went to bed he wanted to watch the latest episode of You. Bet Your life which had just come back in syndication. So they were airing it around seven thirty every night in Los Angeles so he wanted to watch that so we took him into his bedroom and he got in his pajamas and we hugged him. Good night and the Alice Cooper role because he used to put them to bed right. You have to go to bed early. You know gives a sick old man but he wanted to watch he had to watch you bet your life. I was like a nice memory. I first time my most Rundell Sner. We hadn't had him on the podcast yet. HE JU-. We hadn't we barely got introduced to each other and he said to me about you know. He helped produce Groucho at Carnegie Hall. And he said Dell Sner says to me goes you know this Erin Fleming. Us diplo crowd show and he goes into the sweet story. Yes what what you're saying. Oh fuck the composer Myron Ham and he goes and and more families had a shouted to God. She thought in she was in the cover of. She wasn't the Woody Allen Film. He's in every. I think everything. You always want to know about sex lewd network. She was a strange woman. She she you know. She said she liked my dad so I think she was flirting with them and she wanted. She wanted us to the conclusion that graduates story. Visiting Groucho is like we went home. We're staying in Malibu. My my dad was working Malibu that summer. Who is staying at his house? My brothers night and then the next day. Erin Fleming called my dad and said Groucho really loved having you. He'd like to invite you back to the house next week because Mae West is coming to the house. They haven't seen each other for thirty five years since they both worked at paramount. So my dad got off the phone and said hey guys Erin would like us to come back next week to You know see Groucho and they west and we'd like kind of look these shows so that we have enough Groucho. Favorite one of my. That's probably my main regret in life witness that why or meat may west. Yeah that would have been interesting but for some photos of that meeting but we could have been there so I do regret that I heard with Alice Cooper that he said somewhere that or he was he was saying that One of his concerts Groucho came there with me. West and they want you to show together membership. Gordon told us the Dallas used to crawl into bed with Groucho. Watch TV whole boat honest. Pj is the revival of the book beds. You know with Roger Rodney early nerdy but all these celebrities like Burt Reynolds. And Carroll O'Connor and Sally struthers and Alice Cooper just posing in bed with Groucho for these photo sessions big alive more than people magazine but I do have another question for grouchy. Yeah Okay Rocco. Why did you pressure the new president of the Ukraine to announce investigation into the Biden's because Chico News? Ramon explains it. I don't think you need to be impeached. Stay up all night coming up in the middle back so you telling us when a Rondo Hatton. I noticed or you telling me one reenter Dick's out when Rondo Hatton. I have a massive dictated does sentence enormous. I mean he doesn't have enough. Credit talk about Milton. Berle Huts Hall Guy Martinetti Fisher and Guy Mark. Yeah he's very modest. Look at my stretched out into the other room right now in a different cycle frozen but ZIP. It's incredible weird. That's why we need. We the studio that they keep moving into bigger studios accommodate breast brought up a Rondo. I would normally bring them anyway. But there's this new book out about Rondo the first bog or few of them that I did the cover for and I wrote the afterward to the book. It's terrific book and it's got amazing details and photographs in it and You know to me one of the interesting things is that round was a respected journalist in Florida. Early in his. I didn't know this it was. It was a a newspaper man. And you know I was talking to Gilbert about how Rondo got into the movies but there was a director named I think Henry King who came to Florida to make a film and Rondo was already suffering from the Akron. Mega Mega like head was getting more distorted. And he looked you know very an interesting face of course and it hadn't got having you know. He was gassed in World War. One so you know that it was just catching up with them but this director just like took you know took an interest in it because he was Rondo was interviewing the director and and the director said Henry King said you know. I like to have a little part in this film as a bouncer. You know because you have an amazing face. And so he took the part and he said look. If you ever want to come to Hollywood you know I'll use you and I'll get your work. And that's when Rondo Hatton finally went to Hollywood Rondo. Of course is the actor. The horror movie actor who didn't wear makeup and became the creeper became the creeper later on died fairly young but universal. He was like the top. Thanks to you and Josh your brother. Josh I learned what are Akron. Really was in the heartbreak of Akra Mega tossing that I grew up on those months. Your move you do. Yeah when I was a kid I knew I was like the main was not just Rondo Hatton but also the Oh Tarantula with Leo j Leo G. Carroll Right about that had to do with that Corps Mega Lena headey called it academic Gallia and thank you and I were children and that was like the one disease we knew about because Rondo Hatton had it. Yes like famous monsters. A film land would actually like Rondo. Hatton he. He claims the British actor from the Jeffersons. Yes back I heard hold benedict was doing a play interesting and e GonNa know they said Oh. There's a doctor. In the opening Swanson May June. He thought Oh he wants an autograph forever and he went there and he said I. I'd like to examine you because I think you may have ACURA. Megan Kelly and I think he the heartland of Akron medically hard. Yeah we were macree. Mon and goes way named one of the podcast in the world. That's talking about acrimoniously right now. Have you heard of this Daniel? Do you have any? Do you know Rondo Hatton Google tonight my friend. She's so you're not as big a munched your fan as we are because when you're a monster kid that's the first thing. I learned love that story. You told when you win that we were going to school and the teachers a great way into famous person with the initials take yes. The teacher was Doing a game. I think I was in first grade. Or maybe even kindergarten and the teacher's doing a game like I'm going to give you a initials and you'll name fame. And she goes like you know M M Mickey Mouse B. H. Bob. Hope and then she says always and I'm a little kid and I scream out excitedly on jlo Stevens. Because he played the match. Scientists in house of drank except onslow. Stevens is an answer she. She was probably strange fan a pretty obscure because he didn't you know he might have been the only horror film he was ever and maybe white thing so but he was really good in that he was good. The sweet I became slowly insane. Yeah the movies I loved. We loved it when we were kids. But now draco house of Frankenstein. You know. It's like you're asking a lot young all those monsters up in one film. And it's like they always seem those those two movies like okay. I YOU HAD A Little Mini Dracula film. He gets killed. Benares you're a mini wolf move onto that and then and it ends with Frankenstein. Being Total idiots true and blowing lab in custody. Frankenstein was a comedy and they didn't like you know it was like they were all involved all three of the month. Throughout the film I thought Abbott. And Costello meet Frankenstein was an improvement. Yes it was in the house well written and well acted and plus you know they played it not for laughs the monsters get on these not really although Glenn strange does that like Herman Munster. Laugh at one point or it's like that y'all Fred. Gwynne might have gotten it from that. Oh yeah he is startled by Lucas. And then of course. You have vincent price at the end is I. Yes as you know the invisible man a little bonus. So that's like I think of what my favorite film might be in. That might be it. Yeah over the years get. This is a good opportunity to thank Mike Herman Listener Mike Harmon for that. Great Gift that you got last week. yeah anything. Cheney yes one sheet he got he got a movie poster a big poster of Lon Chaney Junior indestructible man. Wow Yeah and you know who else is in indestructible? The man with two names. The man with nate with the guy who plays the reporter the narrator hit two names. Oh what was what did the detective Ed Robertson Casey Casey Casey Advocacy. Adam also went by. Max Yes isn't Specter Henderson and the chains and Flynn is in it for Mikhail. Giovanni Asia is the man scientist. Richard Deacon in that I forget odd. Now he should have been. This is so thrilling to see those guys like pop up in some of those homes glory. And you know it's funny when you see well by then he was Bernie Casey Adams already. I think he was originally Max. You'll become more successful when he switched over to Casey Adams parts. Well I think they thought like Mac show Walter aside from being a harder to spell sound the two German which makes sense but when you know you would never know from that film that he he was. He was so good at comedy. Yeah 'cause he started playing. These illicit was very versatile. Like William Windham you reminded me him William Windham why we love. Yeah Scott Alexander just sent out that thing today the every star in the history of the show and I got a Senate to Kilburn read. That's a gold mine you know. But when I watched the complete Colombo box set radar guests on the seventies actors has been actors and people who were like. You know we've had here. Dick Van Dyke Grant. Yeah fake van. Dyke was the photographer Robert culp. He's gone right. Robert Koehler has gone before we start on Cassidy's is there and he's and he's doing it because he's good friends with Peter Falk Jack Cassidy. Yeah a couple of time twice. I think cash had he was sean and we'll catch tody. He plays magician odds right and he killed someone and at the end a casualties. When he found out Colombo exposes him and he's found out he's going to jail he goes. I thought I had commit the perfect murder. And pedo folks says Daesh no such thing show. Hr just an allusion. We will return to Gilbert Godfrey mazing colossal pod cash but first a word from our sponsor I want to ask you about another one of your obsessions because it sits well time to shoot fiftieth anniversary of the odd couple. Tv series It's also Walter Matthau hundredth birth year and Tony Randall's. That's all very sad. I was just talking to a friend about Tony Randall. The other day he was a nude marvel. No literally was Lenny Rosenberg. He was the newest model for art. Classes back in the forties and as a photo of them online. And if you don't believe me just go online with Tony Randall. Nude he had a huge slung. Oh my God who would have thought it this. Yes go online right now. Yes yes. It's very exciting guiding the show on hold the. I'd couple fiftieth anniversary of a fan of the odd couple of the revivals. I know you're obsessed and it's on your blog post these various well. Some of the must have something to say about that scary odd couple. Tv movie after Jack. Klugman had his vocal chords stake out. I you know at the time. I thought it was not a good decision. I think the black hog couple was even Dema. Demand most lasts more than the couples say. Just were beating the scripps from the White Sox. It's like like I said I live. I. I'm fascinated by these revivals of the I come from over the years and these other productions like oh the women are but also did there was a version with Don rickles and Ernest Borgnine. Yup Las Vegas. Yeah directed by Danny Simon. Imagine there and Don rickles played Felix and Ernie Borgnine Played Oscar. But there's a lot of weird productions like that over the years John Mara did it Jackie coogan yeah. Eddie Bracken did one with Klugman Yup and some of them. Yeah the original cast was art. Carney and Walter Matthau and Matha was not nice. Start Carney are. Carney was a drinker and Waltham I didn't like that he wasn't he didn't feel he was professional enough so he would badger art. Carney actually had a stroke while they were doing it on Broadway sixty six and then I think Matthau lobby not have art carney in the film version and he wanted Jack Lemmon. You know in the film. I think this story I heard is that because at the time Jack Lemmon was a bigger was the big star movie star. Yeah and the studio said we want you and making the odd couple into a movie. And he's a and they said now we just need to find enacted a play Felix because they thought Oscar was the media role and that lemon should play him in lemon said no. Matthau should do it. Yeah we are. Because you know Matthau played Oscar on Broadway. Matha won the Oscar for the fortune so he was really become big movie star so he had clout But he lobbied not to have our Carney in the movie version. Yeah there was another version which never happened but imagine this and it was announced in the newspapers Marlon Brando and Wally Cox. They had a scene where they can but now would have been fast when they were one's brand or there was not with brand in nineteen sixty eight and he was speculating about doing this production In Los Angeles so that would have been. I wish to God it had been. They came back and did it with Don knotts which is on your block. They switched roles like Die Knots played Felix and came back and played Oscar guessing. Could you know in a dinner theater production in the mid seventies? So I have all these playbills articles. And they're under his blog the outer couples and added more horror to the horror of the The vocal cord less Jack Klugman doing that version of the is that they had a whole bunch of different card players. And it's like you go. No no we want to see the card players who we know from the series prayed the cease there was a Broadway production one night production done for charity with Oscar with Jack Klugman and Tony Randall. Playing the original plan. They did it to raise money for the co-stars the card players. That was the interesting part that night because they had Cleveland little. Oh I think Vincent Gardenia Eva Goethe was just like Whoa you know what a cast you know. Here's three people that did this podcasts. That were in stage. Productions of the odd couple Bernie Copello Barbara Feldon did did a female version and Orson bean they would do these versions. Like like they'd get Bob Denver yes. But he's such a big star even by the seventies people know from TV that the CO started matter. So Bob Denver's name and those who's playing the other guy didn't matter. I think Nancy Russell and Phil Fosters. My favorite would have been amazing. Yep Now you mentioned Jack Klugman and we have to go here. Yeah I've heard a rumor. I heard Janet Laura. It's a horrible. This is something we haven't. I find something horrible and on said I can cut it out how to deal with the baby outfit. If not even that Stephen Moore Harp. If you WANNA Segui if you want to start with Danny Thomas we could segue capital. Yes all right. We'll skip hold up. Here's one thing about the odd couple. Randall verified this Randall. Had done it with Mickey Rooney somewhere along the line and wanted Mickey Rooney for the series and Gary Marshall New of Mickey Rooney's reputation and wanted no part of Mickey Rooney. Yes they did a production in Las Vegas. Yes and that's where Klugman came with. The Mickey Rooney is Oscar. And before Tony Randall was in the show. And they also said that when when when art carney had the stroke. Matthaus said why does she want to be in? The couple. Could understand really connection between Art Carney. Oppo stroke art. Carney sounded like browsing emails. Amazing it's a small and he was Kenneka blow job. Here's two other great pairings gig young and Robert Q Lewis Gilbert. Oh Godfrey Dan Dailey and Richard. Benjamin Oh two years apart. That's a weird really weird father and son but really weird gig young Skar. He must have been a bunch of times. You did one with Robert Q Lewis. They were teamed up for a while. Just the oddest. That's my my blog is will. The couple of them are unbelievable. I wish to God this was before everybody carried a camera with them and I was once book misplace that was a theater and all around the the The world's in the back room there with these posters of all these different plays with TV actors in it. You know like Frank Sutton like all in the seventies. All they have left was doing dinner theater me. Yes that was what they were. When Bob Crane bought the farm? He was doing this to them. Basically that's what. They did dinner theater when I think Sally struthers and Marino. Oh Yes yes. They were the female version. Those one with Sandy Dennis and Stella Stevens a couple G's fascinating. I also noticed. Last of the Red Hot lovers is is another one of your obsessions on your block. These Neil Simon plays even if they weren't very good plays but they would get revived over and over like less than I had. Red Hot lovers was one with. Just Martha Kaplan showed up. Sid Caesar Frank Sutton mentioned Lou. Jacobi James Coco production and Alan. Arkin was not very good but they shaved his head. Because you know the the character was supposed T- wasn't he already pulled. Alan Arkin thinning. Maybe they gave him like you know Turn THEM INTO SYDNEY FIELDS? Boys boy now that you brought up go ahead and get you know. We can't go too long without talking about Lon Chaney junior someone came up to me at a club recently and they said they bought Lon Chaney Junior spoke for me but they didn't know they'd be seeing me show. If you're out there with Lon Chaney Juniors book please try to mail you're not gonna you wouldn't order it from Amazon right now. That would if I had a copy I give. I don't have that would be five dollars. He was writing a book before he died Hundred Years. Yeah it didn't come out. And then he has a son or grandson. Who dresses up with? Michael Wolfman all we had drawn Cheney Nice Guy to the Chinese Lon Chaney Chaney. I'm Cheney Sidney fields. What do you know about Abbas porn collection? Well you know you. You guys know that you know we. I file on who had the large for some reason. F. J. Edgar Hoover was obsessed with porn collection so the largest porn collection supposedly were owned by. This is the nineteen forties Lucas. Bud Abbott and Red Skelton. We heard. Yeah but both apostolic both had large sheep. This and this shows like how red skeleton would go out official way to like be the wholesome. Yes God's the Leering yes gleaned God bless you always bringing the large think about. They need the largest point. Whatever that says about the man. I'm not a you know. I made it a secret that I'm not necessarily fashionable the Jewish comedians. I've drawn from my yes. Red Buttons like drives me up the wall. Arish Watt average. What Eddie can't there is never has never won me over. He just makes my skin crawl. I know kiss another horrible story that drew told me see. I'd love horrible rumors but we talk. The one drew tells me so fucking disturbing Clark Gable divine. One didn't bug them with not so disturbing. I liked the Clark Gable being about. It's Kinda warm hearted and reasonable brokeback. They were but drew. And I'm not going to believe this I I'll believe any other and verify. What is it if you want he? Euro was saying to me and fuck you dry. It'll be a die in the way home draw. Say just fucking have a stroke while you crossing the street then get hit and then be crippled. The live along. What is this story? I need your source on your body and scrambled eggs. No you said that that Eddie Cantor was fucking sham. You know I hear these things people tell them to me. Of course I have to repeat them. Ship us a good looking guy. Back in twenty was he was kind of lean regular title. Our great hair long. They look like Imo. Philip via the email Phil beal haircut. He wasn't married to Gertrude. Strobe I heard it and I think I heard it from a fairly reliable source the source bay. That was who told me that. Source some of the new the newest stuff okay like You know like some of someone who just knew who had. That's why I passed it onto Gilbert lachance. Chew on this that Jowhar about this. But you'll have another question for grout. Why did you Hang Jeffrey Epstein? In his coach true new know I heard win. Eddie Cantor and fuck any go. Ooh Oh boy. You have that on good authority that one. Yeah again. It's something I have to draw just to make it put it out there. I heard curly would come. He'd go. Ooh where does the Champ Obsession began? Why Shampoo People Somebody like you know shampoo. My favorite too. I said Look Shep is not my favorite. I love them all. Jody Reed you do love Jo Jo. Jody Reed I believe you live in this little moves. He make I was at his wake. Yes right we've told the show frank. Was Joey doritos proud of that? Our friend Mark New Garden was there and mark. Ask Frank to get into casket with Casper with. I don't know why didn't I would've wanted to me that the only other people at the wake were like gardeners like worked through. Yeah it was sad. Morley most son was there. Paul Frey Scott or the nephew or something and then some Spanish Mexican gardeners and frank was there. Jodi was the only cigar smoke. Do also the only non-jewish yes? Yes true that's right But I like I stared. Showed the reason you know. He has his admirers. And if you actually watch the Columbia shorts he may Yak in the forties and this will explain why Mo- wanted him till like fill in probably died before he was really good. He was light on his feet. That's what I heard. But there was no evidence stu door shorts directed by Jules white with Christine McIntyre. They seem like Columbia shorts with the theme song merrily. We roll along with the theme song. They gave the Jota Rita. I don't know who who makes those decisions. You could say three blind mice made sense for the three stooges because they three comedians merrily we roll along with Joe Doritos theme song but he made the shorts and elites in the late forties aimal sitka POPs up by Jameson Vernon Dent. Christine McIntyre Click. Three stooges shorts. But just joe the Rita and he's good. He's like kind of it. Looks like shot because he has long hair parted in the middle long black hair getting in space and they're basically the same gags they were doing the three stooges films now. I heard that after all the lawsuit after mode died that curly Joe. Dorino wound up with his sons. As far as I know his sons control the the rights to the three stooges now. So if you need to license anything to do with the three stooges you have to go through his sons. That's what I've heard. Who Was it that put it in his paperwork in his contract? That couldn't be To Rita knows best as wannabe slab. Didn't WANNA be hit? It was beneath him but you finally left the three stooges after their Columbia contract ran out and his excuse was well. My wife is sick. His wife Was so I have to get back. Lived on thirty years. I think he just wanted to stopping I think so that was like the Venus exclusively left at Columbia. They they had nothing going on. They're playing state fairs until you know the story because his brother in law he started showing the shorts on TV and they became hugely popular. And that's what led to the movies you know in the cartoon show and all that revival their full length movies are scary. The heart the heart to watch. Yeah not very good then. Norman Maurer their son. Mo- son-in-law is directing them at that point. They're they're a little hard to watch a little more. I can't even give like moments like Jerry Lewis Films. You can say what you will about Jerry and his films but there are always moments. Yeah there's always a moment of Jane if you Cinderella. It's hard going but this always a moment. They're like okay that that that doesn't make it worth watching the entire film but not with the three stooges films from the nineteen sixties. They really tough going. Yeah those are watching all men. And Larry. I'm fascinated by Larry. Yes but you know but the basically like at the end they were just like like fighting amongst themselves. They couldn't even higher like villains and stuff so they're in the kitchen fighting with appliances and if they did anything physical if they slide each other. It's like old man worried. Oh my God like you know and then you watch Mohan Mike Douglas. And he's really young guy that he hadn't gotten the memo that look look you're seriously old man now and and he was like doing you know with Ted Knight and he's like they're smacking each other on these war rolling on the floor and he died shortly after they were doing a thing. They do it they he. Mike Douglas and some other famous actor think soupy sales is on one of them. Yeah UH somebody I don't know if it was tapie but it was another thing and they they Did the Niagara Falls and mow was doing a thing. Where after he would do like the freakout? When his eye Agra falls he would do this thing whereas shaking around like kid says going back to normal. And He's shaking around there wobbling and you'd see the looks on the two guys faces going. Oh is she having a stroke now? It looks like our. He's insurer and you can watch on Youtube. You're really concerned because most legs are kinda wobbly ash. It's like I thought you know I was excited to see Mojo Mike Douglas as much as I was to see John Lennon. You shouted Mike Douglas yet those shows. And do you remember. There was a panel in the seventies at one point with on the Mike. Douglas show so it was a Yoko Ono Darla Hood Spanky McFarland George Carlin and Robert Klein. Why was the CO host that we have while when I Robert? Klein is the talk with them at the Strand recently for my new book yet all the president. Yes he did a beautiful Josh. We should talk about he. Talked about You know he's sitting next to Mike the whole week and he said when Yoko was sitting there on the panel Mike. Douglas Leans into Robber Clyde and says Nice tits on her image stuck with me. But what a panel. I remember when I was a kid watching the joey. Bishop Talk. Show and Regis Philbin. Yes yes Regis Philbin was his. Ed McMahon and Larry Fine walks out onstage. Surprise wheeled out or walks out No he actually walked out before his stroke stroke of luck. Any stroke of luck. He's holding a little box with them and He says Oh. I don't know yet some kind of gift for for For Joey Bishop. He was plugging. I guess he got a job. Being a spokesman for something we were still at that point. Yeah and so. He brings out this box and joy. Bisco see what he Jere got a pie in there and And because he goes Chris when I see one of you guys hey owes expect you to bring out a pie and and Larry Goes. Would I wear a jacket like this if I had a pie? I remember the very last three stooges appearance. Oh on truth or consequences. The three of them nine hundred seventy. Yeah before Larry had the stroke they come out. They stand there. They don't do with those curly. Joe Curly Joe Moe and Larry last last appears through the truth Bob Barker whose like a foot tall and they just standing there. They don't do any comedy like Worse Than Mad. Mad Mad band while yes. They're dressed as firemen there. Just stand and it's sad but it's it's the last time they were. They were studios. And I think Larry had a stroke right after that and that was the end of the and then they weren't even after Larry had a stroke. They which Mo- is trying to revive. The AC yeah and I think this guy who was an assistant to ally Adamson or his partner that will. Yeah Yeah I forget his name Simon and he wanted to me he was planning US talking to mow about making a Sirri. Stooges movie bringing Larry. Back into it. Who was confined to a wheelchair? And they said they'd have some see where they go to either a health club or whorehouse and and Larry Start speeding around on his wheelchair. Going up to each of the girls. I know that that film became blazing stewardesses. Oh Yeah and they use the Ritz brothers. Because they couldn't get the three. Oh the two Ritz brothers. Were still surviving You know You Know Harry Harry Harry Inhaler. Yeah Harry turns up in silent movie. Yeah Well Mel Brooks was a huge Harry Reid. And so has Jerry Lewis. They adored Harry Ritz. You know it's like hard to even get a sense of how funny how are you? It's was from the movies. But if you supposedly see saw him on stage and he was just he would just go crazy on bishops so hated since you bring up since brings up generally. Don't seem like a nice pleasant guy to me but I don't know was he hated. Yeah we haven't heard kind word about them and now him and Danny Kaye kind word about long deck of Joy. Bishop playing cards. Okay Jake side using the juicy. Yeah yeah I I travel with. I want to read a section Jeff. Ross wrote our pal. Jeffrey Ross wrote the forward to even more Jewish comedians. Or go into the third volume. I WanNa read this. Don't feel sorry for us just because we're not lookers. It doesn't mean we don't get our share of conquests in fact. Comedians often do better with the opposite. Sex than are more amorous. But less humorless friends hell even Gilbert Godfrey does hot wife. Of course he's also blind and deaf. Gilber ask new book is called all the President's portrait's you know there's no Jews in. It was an experiment. How could I do it? The whole book with no Jews in it. I almost do because in the beginning in my forward to the book I draw. I Drew Jared Kushner Yen. Lenny Bruce and the voice of Jared Kushner. I know this on. I'm John Oliver really captured. I and I know jared because he was the publisher observers. I met him a few times and he sounds just like you ask in my book. It's UNCANNY actually but in my book You know it's not a history book so it's not like I wouldn't recommend it to people WANNA learn about the presence but in the book there's like a fun fact that Kevin Doherty helped me put together for each president and some of them are A couple of them. That are interesting. I thought I don't want to give too much because I want people to buy this book of. Yes so Gerald Ford was the first president who actually invited beetle to the White House and I was George. That's cool. Wow and oh. Barack Obama collected comic books. He was a huge Spiderman Fan. Did you know that? Now and Ulysses s grant is actually not buried in grant's tomb highs buried above ground and the trump fact that trump is the last guy in the book. Obviously I saved them the last two drawn because I couldn't accept that he was the president. I put it to you know so I finally dream. He's the last guy so the fun fact about him is he is the for. Donald Trump is the first president to host a reality reality. Tv series that featured Gilbert Godfrey. Dago deal oh excellent. That is the fun fact with Donald Trump. That takes when I was working on this book. One of the interesting things for me was like and I was looking these people. I was as drawing them and thinking like who could play this person in a movie because some of them looked like I. I realized that has joined James Polk. They look just like Boris Karloff. O- how and Millard. Fillmore looks just like Alec Baldwin. Right if you look at them on Candy James Buchanan looks like John Lithgow. Andrew Johnson looks like Tommy Lee Jones. Jimmy Carter Looks William H. Macy and Barack Obama looks like Gilbert Godfrey George Washington looks like stone stone. Somebody else mentioned a William Bendix which I didn't get it and also the the guy who used to write those Mickey Selene and that one. I see when Barack Obama was still in office. I was always getting tweet where people tweet a picture of me and Barack Obama of us together. Yeah you got the ears similar haircut and plus backheeled as he had a fro- and you had the giuffre. Oh Yeah so you know. I like to point out that Gilbert played one of the people in this book. Abe Lincoln. Yes oh I know yeah I know I love you. Lincoln I love Hitler. Yes Ashley. Historical really captured the leader. Hose and really put it over. I think I'm the only person who's played both Abe Lincoln and he'd fit. Look that up. We mentioned jared. And there's a documentary. Being prepared about jared for net flicks and the guys who made the Roger Stone? Get me. Roger Stone movie have have made the stock. Yeah it's GonNa be on dirty money this series and came actually came up to my house and filmed for it. You know talking about my my relationship. I mean like yeah working for jared the New York Observer and then the time I met him At the at the four seasons he hosted a party. And that's the first time I met him so I told the story on Aaron. I'll tell it now it's like I approached him. I saw him at the bar by himself and I said the Kathy. I'M GONNA go introduce myself. He knows who I am because he had bought some of my artwork the covers the observer so I walked up to him his stand by himself. He hadn't been married to Ivonne key yet and he was but he's hosting this huge anniversary party for the observers holding Lhasa Champagnes. I walked up to my say. Hey Jared it's drew. Fredin he goes oh hydro and he's like kind of looking around surveying the crowd like Gatsby and he goes drew. Add like to talk to you but there are a lot more far more important people here for me to talk to so shocking nodded and kind of backed off and went back to Kathy and she said so. How'd that go and I said well. This is what he said and she couldn't believe it like really said that to you. I said Yeah you know and I found that kind of refreshing. His honesty is blatant honesty. So you know a friend of a mutual friend of ours of Jared's mine. Ken Carson said he was talking to jared recently and he brought that He. Did you really say that the drew Friedman and jared taught about he said Yeah. That sounds like something I would have said so confirm confirms it while. But the guy's making this documentary. They WanNa have you come to the opening to do your jared impression? He'll be fed. Don't worry about you'll be. You'll be similar wildcard question. Why does why did Joan rivers detest Lewis so much because Schuch? Because it's one more question? I think it was vice versa. I think Jerry Hated Joan rivers. He made he made it clear. He didn't women comics dating back to the he didn't like Phillips Bills Doug Jones. Jerry should be electrocuted. They hated each. Oh you know they hate each other and but I think I think it was more him. He just dismissed female comics. That got back to her and it could have been more to it than that. I think there's a MERV Griffin's show with the both of them on the panel that when Merv is doing those like really cool shows in the mid sixty s. I think we had to guest on this show. Who what's amazing about them had nice things to say about Jerry Lewis? Well you and I do have yourself as we got. Jerry liked you. And he liked me. He liked he called me when my first Jewish comedians book came out and I was nervous about it but he made a fuss on it and they invited Jerry even via Kathy. Neither Las Vegas to be as guests at one of the telephones. The second to last telephone so you know we were there in Las Vegas and then the night before they were setting up he was in his jazzy but I wanted to meet him. I had never met. I'll talk so I approached him and we had a little talking. Kathy couldn't have been sweeter and nicer. He starts moving away in his little jazzy cycle. You know like you know Zip zip and back and forth. And I say as he's leaving he goes I just met drove Friedman hands-on says like who's drew Friedman. He goes the audience. You fucking idiot. I remember when they were dedicating that wall of the Friars Club to him and it was an outdoor ceremony of course and I was sitting in a chair and I wound up sitting right next to Jerry. And he was like he would start yelling out. I it was everything you want. Louis still be. He was like heckling the ceremony. When he yell out a joke after each jokey gripe my arm and squeeze it get it and I thought wow we pulling me and he took a liking to you and he took and I was nervous as hell. Yeah when he first call me and I knew he was going to call. 'cause the editor of The Observer said Jerry Lewis is going to be calling because I did some trivia to him so I should shit you know I had to get my and I knew when he was he was going to call the next day. So okay don't mention. Morton don't mention abbegg wrestler his first agent. We wound up painting. And don't mention Sammy patrol. Yeah you know. And I didn't and we had a great conversation. He would call back and everything so then my friend. Dave Wilson is writing this biography of Sammy patrol into those. Who Don't Know Sammy? Troll is the guy who used to imitate Jerry Lewis. Jerry discovered them You know as a teenager. You hired him use them. Once on the colgate show Milton Berle also used them Eddie cantor use them and then he broke off and appeared in the film. Rebel Lagosians don't Mitch and I think Kanter fucked him while route. But you know my friend. Who's writing spot? If you see like the integral I'd love to get his Jerry. Lewis said I can make that happen for you. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA I'M GONNA be talking to Gerry. I'm going to bring it up. I got my nerve up and I said Jerry I friend this journalist. Dave Abramson is writing this biography of same patrol. He would love to interview for Jerry. Paused I said you know I was like. Oh God he goes. Why would anybody write a book about Shammy? Trillo said well. It's the mazing story this young kid who was obsessed with you and and basically became you and then you know you hired him and then he went on to have this. You know this low end career in show business for fifty years goes all right. Have your friend call me on. And he was interviewed for the book he talked. He talked today for a few minutes about Sammy you know. He said I discovered him when he was a teenager. On the street. In Tie in on forty Ninth Street and he was imitating me and I brought him up to the studio and he met Dean and used them. And then you know you didn't have a lot to say but he remember distinctly. Sammy patrol any would have been sixteen at the time. So show The two of US can use that Kasich showbiz phrase. Well he was always nice to me. Yes because people you know I mean Jerry Jerry Jerry liked. He liked you a lot. He would say I like what I like. You I like you when I don't when I hate you. I hate you a lot and the best compliment. I ever got was one time they were like honoring Jerry Lewis somewhere and I went up and did a lot of like my crazies. You did the the aristocrats joke at the hill. Yeah and afterwards and some even more disgusting and after a Jerry. Lewis walks over to me with that serious Jerry face and he goes Gilbert. You're out of your fucking mind. And then he goes and I wouldn't have it any author away at Beautiful Disgusting Story told that even more discussing the Jack. Klugman story will not allow Bechara. Course possibly the most discussed Char- you know the audience wants to hear us. I'M NOT GONNA I'm not gonNA tell. Of course I had with someone asks me today. They say we were listening to an episode with Richard Kind. Who's the Chicken Hawk? Oh we're not gonNA you can't. I have to have one more question. Hold certain people know? I've been wondering about if you can answer this graduate. Why did you appear as Dr Peabody? In problem child three Coche Schuco owned going to see how bad Chico doing that. High Tin Problem Child. Three chick who else did you stay in touch with? I mean who else got in touch from the from the Jewish comedian ran a foul of rickles and Sid. Caesar and I didn't check their contact with Don rickles and Sid Caesar on what they were upset about is that their their names were outed their their real names were added because Kathy and I did research on what the Real Jewish names were when they were born. So but Don rickles was born Archibald Don rickles. He wanted that to be Assad on wikipedia not committee unlike his agent. They took that down and Sid Caesar was born Isaac Sydney Seeds. So their legacy. You know about their legacies like Sid. Caesar Don rickles. That's it you know she. Now now I heard and the way the name Caesar came about Sid. Caesar said when his father was passing through Ellis Island. His father was a tailor and he was trying to explain it but he couldn't speak English so we started doing a move with his two fingers like scissors and he goes. You know I Caesar Caesar Rats interesting. The guy just wrote down that his name. Caesar stayed in touch with other people freeman. You got to know. Sky's the Book First. Came out some of these guys. We books were sent to some of the COMEDIANS. Still Living One. So Mickey Freeman called instantly. He liked the Freddie Roman. And then Jerry Lewis called and then you know. The Friar started throwing parties for the books and inviting some of the storage. Obviously Larry stores and Freddie Roman of course and Eddie Lawrence the old philosopher or was there for Mardi angles or Or Buddy Hackett or any of these now some of them you know like I you know. They wanted to send books to Jackie. Mason and Joan rivers. I don't do it all right so you never know you know. Don't bother them and some of them with happening careers. They couldn't be bothered with it and another guys like Mickey Freeman. It basically revived his career. And Mickey would call me and you remember Mickey from the Bilko. Show us to talk like depth charge. You know Sarge Joan Hogan is the best looking game on the on the on the in the force ebony would call me and all of a sudden you had. English acts English removed. You've ruined. We go through all of show business loves you book. Mickey Mickey is making some house the spokesman for all of show business old so he was speaking for for for Sean puffy combs and Brittany. So Jack Carter was pissed off at you of course famously. Quite my friends Ben. Schwartz interviewed a few guys for the Los Angeles Times though he interviewed. Jack Jack Carter was pissed off about his portrait. He wanted me to draw again. He said look at that stupid face he gave me. He gave me a bowling head and he gave me liver spots and says he should draw me again but he liked the Buddy Hackett is joining Sid Caesar he thought I captured them so it. It's funny we we almost had Jack Carter on. Yeah here's another guy. He wound up in a wheelchair. He was bitter but he knows like banking on a comeback. You know like that kind of stuff. We should direct our listeners. To Cliff's Wonderful Shit Jack Carter. Says Yeah. On on Jack. Horner was GONNA hire cliff to write his all his biography to be. That story went to the house And he was just like insulting cliff as he was leaving giant status. Look like you to you know. Get A book consulting. The Guy Wants to help them get his name back in in the Public Bidermann. Who's Angrier Jack? Carter or or Pat Cooper was more Dick Carter but I think as you know these guys get older. They're kind of forgotten. You know this is a lot of them become bitter. Let's plug the Jewish comedian. Books all three of them print Jewish there which is a good thing but a little bit you can get on Ebay okay. And I don't think I'm GonNa do a fourth because I'm running that old Jewish comedians Have a list of I mean I. I'd never drew the guy next to me. Didn't show up in any of the volume now. He's eligible them when I I. I did the first book twelve years ago and I couldn't draw Richard Belshazzar because I still younger manager or Albert Brooks right because he was younger man but now third volume or thank bells are elders area with his dog. Rusty Cross like sixty six. They say okay. It's getting all but Albert Brooks when I met him In in Los Angeles he At a party so he knew he knew my book so he the first thing he said drope how come my dad wasn't in your Jewish comedian book. I said well because your dad wasn't old enough. He died young now. That of course was park your carcass. Who died on the road at the at the Lucy? Desi rose to nine. Fifty eight stood his act killed. He was great. It's on it's on. It's it was recorded sat down and leaned forward and died. You know and he was like if you listen to recording. He was great and yeah. Young Albert was ten at the time helped his dad out with the routine. He was really proud that That night because his dad went finish his routine and then died. You know but he killed. He was funnier than George Burns. Was that night. Milton Berle and dean. Martin were all in the roast so when I met Albert he asked me that and then I said well you know he died too young and then Albert said you know drew. Did you know that? Harpo ex wife married Frank Sinatra. I said No it wasn't Harpoon. Ex Wife it was Zepos ex wife. He goes now. It was Harper's ex wife. I said look I have an I have andy. Marks GROUCHO GRANDSON. Standing right here. Yeah I said Andy which of your uncles ex wives married frank. Sinatra and Andy said Seppo Barbara Marx. Yet so that was my Marshall McLuhan any all Russia's grandson great story I just older. They're getting recently but I love that story with On Stein Yeah. Yeah your father died doing what he loves. Yeah and he said when he heard that that made him cringe and he said what is your mother to and and he said she's a housewife and he goes. Let's go over to her house. Wall shoes doing the law injury. And I'll pull her gun and blower fucking inside and we can say she died doing what she loved us. God bless Bob Weinstein which is Albert was really affected by that but he was you know was proud of his dad and it's like he. I don't think he had issues with the fact that his father died when he was ten years old because his father went out with a bang jerked Einstein's supposedly had issues with the comics that were cracking wise during his. You which in general service okay. Yeah that's that's my understanding. He'd listen to the recording of of parking cards fascinating You know that last you know we cut away right before he has a stroke. Visit her you know. The stories were Milton. Berle screaming like. Is there a doctor in the house? And there's chaos and then Lucy Desi a separated right after the voice right after I have to think that might affect and Gilbert we end. Could you just tell me tell the story of when Lucy walked in the dressing room with Desi the one time and what you know the story wait? Deshea was with a woman address. This story Lucy walked in. And what does he say? Frank do you remember. He's like the woman is blowing them. Yeah right and as he is was like Acting Lucy. Walk so yes acting like. Oh my God what are you doing like? He told us that. That woman was blowing. Alizarin was it out news. We'll also plugged the Drew Friedman's chosen people because Gilbert and I are both in this book I think three times three portraits of Gilbert and that book yes look so book is all the president of the president's is no Jews holding it up but we're an audio only podcast interesting book to do because You know it was like unexpected. So as kind of an experiment And again like I said no Jews in it but very very interesting faces anything else you can talk about in the planning stages. I have a new book. I'm working on. I'm not ready to discuss that but there are Jews in it. So you know we're we're okay okay And you know we can You know hopefully I just want to say that. Hopefully everybody's a member of the Bobby Barbara Group on facebook. And that's one to Bobby Harbor. Sammy Patrol Oh group on. I take great pride in those two group. 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I'm very impressed with and hopefully it'll be out this year. Cliff nesters less nest nest flay later and we love Kevin Yes Kevin. He's doing a great job so if you want to throw him some money. Making these documentaries is expensive so Kevin has a lot of expenses but it should be fun a fun film alright and go to Ebay and bite. Is these out-of-print books. And all the president's the new one thank you frank. Thank you drew. Thank you Gilbert. Yes and this has been Gilbert Godfrey Gymnasium colossal podcast whipped by coz Frank Santo Padre and Jud dot himself true Friedman. And you know why drew free been came here today. Schuco Moon only reason. We'll see unpatriotic you know we can't smile without you. We can't smile without you. Read can laugh and we can sing unless we hear those town. The phones ring. We've beal sad new Paul. We feel glad Elaine you call if you only knew what we're going through. We just can't spa without you. Once had a plan then I began to follow it through. 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273. Larry Ratso Sloman

"Hi this is gilbert godfrey. If you want personalized video from me a personal life shout out and and who would you know just anything like hire peoper day happy anniversary congratulations. I hate you and and i never wanna talk to you again. Go to cameo dot com slash gilbert godfrey. I know a lot of you would like light to slide gilbert godfrey cameo dot com for a personalized video breeding from me. Hi this is robert wall and you are listening to the one the only my long long time buddy gilbert godfrey dhs amazing colossal podcast need i need. I say more <music> it took godfrey. Gilbert got bridge amazing colossal podcasts with my co hosts frank santo padre are gets this week gives a journalist based editor screenwriter bestselling author songwriter occasional actor and as of april up this year are recording starting guard is he's a former writer for rolling stone as well as the editor in chief of the publications high times times and the national lampoon. I think guy purdham that he's also the author or call co author of bestselling books about everyone from allusion is david blaine to kiss drummer grammar peter craze and red hot chili peppers frontman anthony kiedis too heavy wade champ mike tyson to counter culture hero abbie hoffman his two thousand and sick dick biography off escape artist harry houdini called the secret life of harry houdini soon to be a major motion picture and because he co-authored to of howard stern's enj- bestselling books private parts and miss america again this old sound spatially familiar. I i think i think i i think i heard the howard stern's. I'm sure sure i can a long ago but there's more he owed so one of the most respected books on the the subject of rock and roll a firsthand account of spread and usability hero bob dylan's in infamous rolling thunder revue tore in titled on the road with bob dylan in a long diverse and fascinating career. He's worked with hung out with and befriended legendary eric characters such as allen ginsberg joan by is kiki friedman john kale. Lou reed neck cave. Tom wait penn. Jillette leonard cohen even me gilbert old bird a scott free brass tacks. He's gray davis honor. Perhaps he's he's very first. Solo album were accorded with the help of some famous friends as called stubborn bernhardt and he's featured prominently brand new martin scorsese directed documentary rolling thunder revue a bob dylan story. Please welcome to the podcast. The euro zero friend on new york city icon and an artist of many talents odd man who says he aspires appears to be fed jewish. Susan boy fell one the only larry ratto sloman hi. I'm sorry larry we don't have time to do the show. Yeah haven't been to forty seven minute intro. Wow compete found dead and has no y'all. Have you guys not to. This is going to be a silly one. Yeah i can tell. How long have you guys known each other. Do you remember meeting <hes> jesus what did well. I think i've i met him. Karen one of the old old caroline's <hes>. I was friends with bells. Oh wow and should have put bells around that list of character and <hes> and before i was i think i was in high. Probably i think we met at the clubs and then later on lampoon nola well lampoon before we get into this his sorted history. I have action a gift for gilbert. How nice and it's a legendary nike ripoffs. I it's a classic. This is a gift from the it gets better. I have another gift. This is a gift from david mannheim who has his own podcast all dopey but he's the last jewish deli waiter in new york that he had a another broadcast like that wow and <hes> i met him at cats is because <hes> i was there with my wife and he comes up to me ratto stern fan you forget come sit in my table. Sit at my table. So you know was sitting. There were ordered some stuff and he's bringing you. Gotta try this. You gotta try this. You gotta try this. I get the bill is charging me for. I happened to be married very to a but we've been married for twenty years and she's learned something she goes to him. This should be copped out e compton and <hes> <hes> and so i did his his last week and i told him i was going to do this gas s. and he says he told me a story about gilbert. He says gilbert was i guess it was <hes> the hundred twenty fifth anniversary of cats. That's a something and they hired you to do. Something catches deli. Oh yeah all right and part of what they paid gilbert wiz they gave him a a card that said half price of life that he says that killed it was in a lot off if you the card but but then there was a new girl the kiss versus and gilbert came in and gave her the card as you look what is this. I have no idea what this is. I can't give this assist. Gobert sauce off guilford leaves anyway. You'll be happy to know that you're half off. Cod is now valid again anytime you want to go to catch half price. So what a nice gift you love guests that comparing gift so you pulled some strings and now he can eat at casas deli for half half off. That's wow. What do you think you'll yeah. Yeah i mean they never honored. It and i thought that was the thing they were very generous. Gave me a little. It should be supplies thing as long as they don't not down her women. They never honoured it. From the i went in there twice and it was the full price times. You're gonna get half price now. Read yeah from and his. He's one of these mish booker so he's had his his uncle is. The owner of cats is so you're getting they have breast how about that. He looks skeptical larry then they are you twenty nine percent italian that i read that right actually a more than twenty just four then that's what i wrote down right yeah yeah twenty three and me you look and act like a total cake. Well thank you. I was under under the impression that i i. I was in washington d._c. Jew okay i was i was adopted and you know it was all it was a thing that was pre-arranged by some jewish lawyer okay and <hes> my parents pick me up at i was born in bellevue. My parents apparently my biological mother. Mother came from pennsylvania to bellevue to give birth to me the next day. My adopted parents came and took me acquaintance anyway so you're not entirely no okay. I just thought i was because they were all ashkenazi georgia. I i did my twenty-three me and said half italian half balkans now. I'm going crazy. Maybe i'm not jewish. I wish google jews in the balkans a- apparently there was so many jews at one point in the balkans after world world war one they were thinking of putting israel in the balkans <hes> and what obviously i think what i am now is that <hes> there was spanish jews news of course left because of the inquisition okay they might read it to italy and then on and i i actually to verify this. I did the other one ancestry <hes> yeah and <hes> found out not only is it the balkans romania. I love this skill. Have you done this. Have you had any interest persson doing your ancestry. I think i think a was done and who you yeah. I think <hes> <hes> well. I knew my mother. My mother's side was from russia right and i always had heard my father's side was polen. They they said austria hungary but i heard like gola border change over the years. So what are you going to do. If it turns out you have like two percent italian blood kill yourself yeah but i can't believe you have anything other than julian you take off your eye of a man and he knew goldstein yeah it. Did you do an elvis impersonation at your burr mitzvah okay this. I have to hear about okay so that's where it started. It actually no <hes> <hes> my singing career actually started when i was six seven years old in my parents living room and gardens because i was a big elvis fan and so i used to do an imitation of elvis in my underwear holding a broomstick and they bring the neighbors in i would entertain fascinating it was a big show the hood so then <hes> thirteen years old now i gotta be bob midst and i was kicked at two hebrew schools from like doing civic nick boils at the rabbis stuff so my parents had to <hes> rent a rabbi the teach me my october and they he also got a a a an l. p. that you put it on and you just memorized you have to arm all right so <hes> the by that time the only only plays it would take us was jamaica. Shula was attached to the jamaica y._m. A._j. It's an orthodox shool. We lived in koo gaudens odds. You're not supposed to drive so we drove a we parked like twenty blocks away and we walk the rest of the way a- and i'm sitting on up on the stage getting ready to do my october. A little nervous and rabbi leans over and it goes so you drove it today eight i go home and and so that i went up did my f- torah and imitated l. Franchise now torah and i swear when the afterwards when you walk around with the tower the old men who think they're going to kiss the tower they will. They actually asked me if i want to be a cantor. Wow so that's an honour you sitting next to a man who didn't have gas what i'm i'm a horrible arable jews yeah yeah every notice that their reasons are very you really get known l. We've done like two hundred and sixty six shows and i'm trying to read. We've we've asked so many guests about their bar mitzvahs director james burrows. He has envy envy of absolutely. It's never too late. You could have a boom. It's saying like kirk douglas you. He had a sick and second one yeah. It's not too late to get circumcised. What is you. What else did you listen to as a kid other than elvis. I found this and you say can you do do your god. I can't even know into it now. Love me tender. Love never let me go yeah now. Do you believe this any truth at all to the to the theory that that elvis was part jewish well. It's interesting yeah. I do think there's truth to that. I mean <hes> his brother. He had an identical twin brother who died name was erin. Yeah apparently gladys spos- we had some jewish blood in there so elvis. If the jewish blood came through was mother then he definitely was part jewish so l. vicious jew in parts boy. Josh get any better than what. What else did you listen to. I found this fascinating. You've you gogi grant's. The wayward wind was a song that had been ah for you as a kid remember. That's all wind well. Can you sing it. He's making you sing rats. The way would win is a restless win a restless when that yearns to one and he was gone the next of kin the next of kin to the way woodwind beautiful beautiful song is about railroad tracks. I happened to live overlooking. The long island railroad <hes> in q. gaudens <hes> so the the song resonated with me. It was one of you know how we listen to music and for some reason you just get this chills. Something just touches gogi grant's voice in that that still today the oh absolutely talk a lot about what we've had a fair amount of musicians. Jimmy webb was here. Tommy james was here. Peter asher a paul williams was here. We talk about <hes>. How songs bring you back. Snap you back to it to a memory to a place very specific. Write a a very specific what you're eating where you are sometimes even a smell. Does that happen to you know okay no jewish elvis of course they do. I mean you know the <hes> the songs <hes> you know have an emotional resonance. Oh yeah i mean i you know i'll never forget <hes> could probably talk about <hes> the first time i heard dylan yeah which was <hes> nineteen sixty five is. I didn't come from a red diaper apor family. My my parents weren't radical leftists. You know organizing sweatshops like that. My father actually owned a business in the gaughman concentre and my mother was a bookkeeper. I like you said your father was always waiting for the nazis to comeback he was he always lived in fear of that. He was yeah and you know what i think about it now. It wasn't that many years so <hes> you know it was <hes> when i started rebelling and hanging out in these village with abbie hoffman and people like that my father would always say you're going to those anti war marches. You're going to get arrested and ruin your life. That was his mantra now so he's a good dad looking out for you and tell us how you got the nickname rancho well. That was <hes> years later later on the rolling thunder revue <hes> i was you know i was covering the review for rolling stone and you know you get on the road and first of all the raleigh review was too big buses one full of the entertainers one full of the crew and bob dylan ri- driving driving a little <hes> executive <hes> you know when you call those things r._v.'s <hes> and <hes> so you know i had a follow all these things. I had a dry my own rental car. You know you don't sleep that well on the road. Start taking stimulants to be able to stay up and you know you might miss the shower too. So i drove up to the it was in <hes> <hes> i think it was in vermont and i drove up to with a <hes> hotel where everybody was staying was beautiful indian some day. <hes> people were outside playing volleyball and joan baez comes up to the car and she looks in the car she goes. Hey it's rats so so i said oh you calling me ratsa reminder dustin hoffman and she leans in the car. She grabs by stringy dirty haired. She goes no you're my main ratzel and that's how i got an and when she called me ratto i embrace that because <hes> you know first of all very distinctive -secutive aw you know <hes> when i started writing the book the book was in the first first person until she calls me rats. Oh and then book shifts into third person or stinging rats becomes another character in the book. It's sort of reg. Dwight becomes elton john and is a completely really different person. He's acting out all the things he couldn't be in his childhood through through that persona and was a little bit of that to this. Oh absolutely i mean rats so you know i mean i could get away with anything. He wears the most outlandish clothing although it you know <hes> most of my clothing from sold trend fashion the door they get these incredible like you know <hes> suits from uh superfly kind of lavender suits purple sued. I mean just crazy. This is what you need. You need an alter ego. Yes i thought he had it on gilbert was country country western singer who had the old garth brooks was somebody i can't remember the the the the navy sang under but but but talk talk about the dylan record that you show you went into the record store so i was woken up bell boulevard in bayside and i passed a record store and you know they had listing on in the window of the top ten singles and i remember looking up and i saw a thing called like a rolling stone be dylan first of all at that time growing up. You're either a a beatles fan or you're rolling stones fan. I was a big rolling stones fair because you know they were the guys who were like you know getting busted for drugs and then pissing on on the courthouse outside the beatles would much to conventional for me so i look at this and i said like a rolling stone be dilkes. Who's this beat dylan. Guy ripping off the rolling stones so went in. I bought the single and i went home and it just changed my life listening to that. I mean the music was majestic. Dick that organ <hes> al kupa might bloomfield's guitar and then the words you know and <hes> i i was so excited that i made my father had my driver's permit but it was nighttime so i couldn't use it at night so i made my father drive me to flushing two corvettes <music> to buy the album highway sixty one which was on sale for dollar eighty eight and <hes> i went home and put it on and it was just one after another palette of a thin man and you know <hes> tests elation at midnight all the agents in the superhuman crew commodity roundup everyone knows knows more when the than they do and they strapped him to the heart attack machine and it was like holy shit you were transformed. It was a whole other way to look at the world interesting as i know that record store to i told you in the email i grew up in ozone park. I knew that i knew that record store and corvettes. Everything changed when you heard that song yeah. My whole life changed changed that without a doubt gilbert do you remember the first rock and roll record. You bought or listen to or cared about oh. You know i don't yeah yeah. I do remember having the l._p. Frank fontaine songs icing using hundred crazy guggenheim. Yes that counts. Yes actually a format of song in my upbringing being was my parents had a song by leo tully called essen and the song was all about when you go to the catskills on vacation okay and <hes> so i says you know so. We're going to get skills and you wanna play volleyball. No you wanna play. You wanna go swimming women. No you wanna play tennis. No you sit in a chair and maracas and mccutchen and then that that <hes> ladies and gentlemen and guests to the final bound the hotel launches being served uh-huh bells loved that song at paul shaffer and i remember we were caroline's one night and paul shaffer said to me you gotta meet the bartend. I said why he says it's lead tully said wow what was is that your song that played the what oh okay. That was the one you oh hi. You gotta have a little muzzle. You gotta have volatile mazal. Course mazal means good log pictorial mazal. You'll always have a balk. Listen to the songs of mickey cats. Of course we had joel grey mickey mickey kasa son yeah. You'll be listening to that stuff too and alan sherman folks. White has shot did bob dylan. Epa talk about me well. I actually have a story about that. I don't know if you remember this but <hes> <hes> bob dylan at one point was they gave him a record label at that goes called egyptian records and he was looking for artists to put on the label and i went to caroline's and i taped go but show and i gave it to dylan's manager and i said they should put out a note because it had no records out at that point and i gave it to the manager and i never heard i not a big fan of norman fell jokes. Dylan's manager does that county jail but he never didn't he have a bunch of those things that he would start and then just <hes> bob yeah then interest give up yeah he'd like be enthusiastic for a day and then now forget about it yeah one time he <hes> had a meeting with him at the gramercy park hotel and we're in the baugh and the said <hes> you know i'm thinking about stunt rick a movie company. I said really a how how how it works. He says well you know <hes>. You have a lot of friends right who were writers. Yes and they can't sleep. Maybe some is well tech guy like phil oaks so we can get one any writer friends to write a script script about phil oaks right then we'll go to the studios and we'll get a budget and then we'll bring it in under budget and we'll keep the idea of we started a studio and someone we have brilliant idea. We had a guest on a podcast. I forget who was whether they say who told us that. At one point one of dylan's ideas that he was enthusiastic for a tiny tiny amount of time was that he would be the next jerry was larry charles yeah yeah they made mess than anonymous wanted was watching coaching jerry lewis movies and thinking he wants to be larry winning on they went to a studio meeting and they pitch some feature to star bob. You know this wasn't that the feature they eventually made. I think it it it it was filtered down and becoming mass in anonymous but i think what they originally went in there with was abroad comedy yeah concentration camp. Ask what about this thing. This has gilbert relevance. You sampled bela. Lugosi got one of the songs on the new album. Yes and it's gilbert's favourite bit the bit from dracula what music they make all night lease into them change in often. I knew schick day may right and that's the intro to a song living in moonlight yes which was it was dracula who your heart guy like him. Oh of course you get him. I i mean i had my grandfather used to babysit for me and he was very recall. <hes> he was from kiev i think and <hes> he's do <hes> we used to watch horror films on a w. R. i think or we would watch wrestling at who and i would be wrestling him while we were watching the grandfather wrestling was real to professional wrestling you chiller theater and of course yeah creature creature features ackerley. There's there's there's a good reference. We tried to get him on the show. He was in bad shape now. Weren't you like ju wasn't wasn't your job like either handing <music> out or investigating welfare checks. Didn't you have some strange job used to go to people's homes. No no i used to. Maybe i think you confounding that with when i graduated <hes> queens college okay so i made a pack my parents i get good grades and you'd leave me alone. Let me grow my hair long. Let me go hang out in east village with abbie hoffman so <hes> i graduated. <hes> magnum allowed <hes> <hes> five kappa. My father was so proud he put big big posters up in the bill apartment building logical were bayside by then and <hes> and and <hes> you know i was able to <hes> <hes> to <hes> pursue my other things but then at the when i graduated queens college a graduate degree in sociology <hes> it's still was iffy. This was the last vestiges of the draft and the vietnam war. I had a very high number but i didn't wanna on our chances so i joined vista and vista is the domestic peace corps and so they put us in experimental program in milwaukee now. The people in washington had no idea what these people walking doing. They thought we were working during the day in the in the the <hes> in the ghetto they're <hes> para legal paraprofessional with the kids in school at night we would organize welfare mother's father groppy who radical priest you were close. Go right so so so so yeah so what you know they gave us an orientation i said all right before we're gonna put you out in the field and we all lived in one big building in palmistry on the street right in the middle of the ghetto and they said before we put yet feel you have to get into the aspirations of the black community. You have to get you know the the goals in what they hope for and everything so the first thing i did was i bought a lincoln continental continental maroon lincoln continental with the suicide doors and that's what i use to pick up the mothers to bring him to the demonstrations and everything so it was a you know about about yes but you didn't you say you used to get laid yeah yeah well and again. This is a this is thanks to al goldstein what you told me in the email so grow- growing up in queens at that point unless you get engaged to a jewish girl no jewish girls it'd be lucky to get a blowjob a no jewish girls with sleep would you then so <hes> i went to into to vista and we living next door to a house full of very nice young black girls and they invited all the white vista volunteers for party and i remember going to the party and hanging out for a little while and then and we went <hes> i went back to my place and then this girl named alice came back knocked on the door. She says come back to the party. I said okay so just in the time. It took to walk right next door. She said i hope you don't think i'm too forward. But would you like to sleep with me tonight and i would yeah so i <hes> so we went back back to my place and now he was a chance on me. Finally i i wasn't a virgin but i had didn't have much experience but he was a chance for me to i use the education. I learned by watching midnight blue. I would be so proud right. That's right ron. Jeremy was on one. I remember watching roger who was telling how the best ways that dukhan linguists. You basically use your tongue and you you you trace out the alphabet twitter so don't forget this is nineteen seventy so at that point joint italians italian men and black men would not to a woman. It's a sloppy joe. Also i bed and i'm doing that and all i know is. She moves into my room. She wouldn't leave after about two weeks. Go goes shopping. Just wanna get out of the house but it was definitely an experience cultural experience of your life that gilbert remembers members say this one shoes. She looked like oprah winfrey which feed tease the other girl. She looked like star. Children feed yeah. She looks like della rees filaret so now you've gone but i'm really an obese. Go gee had teeth missy. Did it's well you know gilbertson invitation to me. I've heard it oh yeah yeah <hes>. There's a clip on youtube. Where <hes> howard said it was the funniest bit he's ever heard on his show he said in the middle a little bit <hes> because <hes> i was talking about my house in long island because it was right by the water you had a us marine toilet paper so how that more often to you can't use toilet paper or you can't put it down the toilet at all. You have to put it in a little waste. Gilbert starts riffing on you can make it gave out of it well while you take any shit wi fi arrays. Hey see if you could score skid while you've come commodore okay. Oh you didn't eat at mcdonalds my toilets kin handle you bringing back. Okay tell us on the subject of wins wins. The wholesome twins eight o'clock even clogged up my toilet and three it's they're both starving to death and i- clogged my title it together. You had me sing before. I just want to request one thing because i haven't heard this so many but question when you're on stern used to do rabbi gilbert gosh okay shoe yeah <hes> i am <hes> <music> are good a ah very how eh oh bad talk about working with him at the lampoon and doing photo funnies because he had a flashback last week we walk through the past the old building on spring street remember. He had a flashback to doing to the topless ladies yeah well <hes> in some ways. I'm responsible for gilbert's <hes> literary career <hes> <hes> because <hes> you know when i took over limb poon one of the things i wanted to bring a fresh blood and i figured what's the best way to gilbert 'cause i decided is far and away one of the greatest comedians of our air so i wanted to go over to contribute contribute and i said <hes> foto funnies i you know gilbert was this before he met darah and and gilbert you know was wasn't batting six hundred or five hundred whatever anguish known as the king of conked ask. I figured if i write write these scripts where gilbert and a greatest one i think was played christ on the cross the other shoe yup but we'd always get a topless girl at it and then gilbert. Would i come in our early. He hit on the secretary for half an hour league with a bunch of free issues of course of course yeah had to do that and i remember remember like i used to write them like crazy. 'cause you know i thought it was it was like you spend the day with a bunch of naked girls. Yes i keep adding instead of two girls who was three and then four and the the managers the war war complaining this say whoa wait a second. This is like the same exact thing. He wrote lifespans this month. He made it four hundred and you because you always came along long-gone. Of course you would you would defend me and say no no. It's totally different now. Now i read it. It's really a good friend setting you up like that trying to get you laid to there was one one they were preparing an issue and they said we need like one extra pot to fill up the issue and and they <hes> i think they said to you. Will your gilbert could do another photo now could eat because i used to do these list these days i did a hundred things to say when you can't achieve an erection and and and they said you think gilbert can ride a lisp peace and your voice you said yeah they they said you think gilbert could write riderless peace and you said you kidding. He's amazing stir up the genre that is a good friend but it was a we were turned gilbert godfrey amazing colossal podcast right at odds with you said everyone knows the wrist of driving drunk. You can get that crash. People could get hurt or killed but here the arts some surprising statistics almost twenty nine people in the united states die every day in alcohol impaired vehicle vehicle crashes that one person every fifty minutes even though drunk driving fatalities have fallen by a third in the last three decades drunk driving crashes still claim more than ten thousand lives each year. Many people are unaware that driving while hi ken be just as dangerous in two thousand fifteen forty two luke percent of drivers were killed in crashes tested positive for drugs not so harmless after all alleged and from two thousand seven to two thousand fifteen marijuana use drivers killed in crashes doubled hold the truth is driving while high is deadly the next gilbert ten francs colossal obsessions fred silverman found out that the animated writes the batman were available and decided to greenlight the batman superman hour parents groups and pressure be damned he just went and did it because you know superman superman had been like his number one shore <unk> asli and you know he's gonna find a way to keep that show going. I spied of great memories of those shows but it's sort of ushers in the re the overreactions of violence on our or the negative reaction to violence on saturday morning sort of ushers in this era of music oriented cartoons toons so suddenly comes here comes the arches and josie and the pussycats. There's an osmond's cartoon and there's a jackson five. Do you remember all this hype. Selanne and sid in mardi had the bogalusa josie and the pussycats that was that was definitely fuel fuel for her bachchan for a little boy back. This is a g. rated episode colossal possess down gilbert and frank's amazing colossal obsessions every thursday only stitcher premium <hes> ah carrying yeah you're listening to gilbert godfrey podcast my hand and boom down. It's the best i will <music> skilled. You were the last editor under matty simmons on demand when the magazine was owned by matty simmons. Yes mattie took. A parish golden parachute right there with <hes> jim genero to for that was that was the death knell well yeah. They thought they thought lampoon. Huma would be tim conway a door to door guy yeah they wanted to do. Cruise was chips with an i remember up at lampoon is where i first met <hes> drew friedman presley insured and and he he used to do the drawings to shaded right he would have dot so i followed him are i would subtle follow him around the office and i- screaming him hey jude is still come on little jude's calls. You're listening grew. That's for you you publish the freeman brothers and high one wondering if i was fred fred mertz night out and the indy grand the andy griffith show she gets etched great stuff. We had a a gill. I had a lot of fun when <hes> every year we would go to the <hes> comedy festival in montreal oakland and i remember one year gilbert was performing up there and <hes> we had a car that we'd rented and i was with andy simmons who is madly jason and <hes> and gilbert with driving around gilbert goes he goes dr where the girls are so. I started driving around the you know we're all the strip clubs on there and gilbert roll down the window who's sitting in the back and we see a girl and we could slow down and gilbert was stick his head on me. Who classical then we did that back at my friend jack and we you were with simmons in the car and he was like shot a- shana mattia mattia randy and for andy and so i just kept getting louder and louder whenever they would mommy cool and in new york there was one block. It was a block from my house funny back when new york would still have those blocks right that was just the ugliest scariest hookers occurs streetwalkers yeah and it would take an hour to get from one end to the other because all the cause will all day jack jack had a cadillac jack would be driving and i'd be the front gilbert back and we'd do the same thing. Just go down that street. I hate myself for assing this but on the subject of dylan and gilbert you'd think he's at all possibly aware of gilbert's impression and gilbert stealing feeling bits. I don't know you'd never met them right now. So you never got any confirmation on that. I'm talking about redoes floyd the barber l. a. <hes> i who was driving the car when we were going down that block with the hulk jack jack he was he was freaking out totally no no he he was freaking out because a car in front of us pulled over by on the jacqueline. Just down the street over his head people then i would start yelling shit out and he was the voice kept getting higher and higher and he was shot shot that they do you want to remind mine rats or the dylan. <hes> the dylan floyd the barber bit gotten now. I remember the hair he i know. <hes> still dan. How would you cheam this <music>. Hey who would be an honor helmut's to do <music> hi his son make sure knows about this <hes> <hes>. We have a tape of it. I think your guy just recorded it. Oh yeah ratto has his own documentary under recru- that he brought with him right to the recording. Tell us about going pro for the first time. Tell us about the story in milwaukee and how you wound up becoming a writer for rolling stone o. as your life was not necessarily surly headed in that direction at the time so what happened was after <hes>. I was in vista for a year in fact during the year. I had to come back to do a physical and i found out that i didn't even have to go to vista because you know everybody at that time was saying. How do i get out of the physical. Oh i just say i'm gay. Oh i'm going to rub some peanut butter on my ass out linking it. Yeah and i'll say i'm crazy so so i didn't do any i was too nervous to something like that but i got to the point where they say take your glasses off and they measured my glasses and they said four who was it was my guess i got out so <hes> so when i was finished with the urine vista i still had no idea what i was going to do and <hes> i had gotten when i graduated. I got an office scholarship offers from <hes> the three places i applied to michigan brown around and wisconsin the year later i got a letter from wisconsin saying well you years up to want to come now and it was a great deal deal. I mean they paid all my tuition's four year program sociology. They paid all my tuition. They paid me five hundred dollars. A month limited expense so i said i don't know what is so i went to <hes> you know madison and i'll tell you it was culture. Shock because <hes> you know we thought well new york's. The epicenter the world the center of the protest movements blah blah blah so i got a a house with a bunch of roommates my first night <hes> <hes> in madison. I'm about to graduate school next day. I hear a big bang and i thought it was a car backfire. Upton i wake up in the morning the myths research that had been blown up by wanted to ratify radicals madison while so <hes> so the first thing i did was i went to <hes> the daily cod. Which was the madison student newspaper. I walked in. I said <hes> i'm about to start graduate school sociology but <hes> <hes> i've written for underground papers in new york. I'd like to be the music editor and they said good okay and the reason i want to be music. Editor was immediately. I wrote let his co. Breakfast yeah. That's a gilbert move exactly slick so so then a there was a concert in the summer call summer fest in milwaukee walkie and <hes> because i had spent a year living in the black area in milwaukee i was hip to all the really cool black music and sly in the family so no one of my favorite yeah. They were headlining this festival so i said all right. I'm going to go to the festival. I got it a festival and again. This is one sly elias so fucked up on cocaine freebase. He's an hour and a half late. He comes onstage. He does two numbers. He walks off stage age. So you figure you know people are gonna boo whatever not milwaukee not in the midwest. They tore down the stage. They tore down the fence. They burnt the state. How so i i <hes> i call up rolling stone and i said <hes> this is <hes> larry sloman. I'm the music editor of the daily. Cardinal madison and sly stone was performing at some fest and that was a altercation and new the shire. Write a story about it. He said yeah do it on spec which meant sure we don't give it like you're not gonna pay but i was so proud. Hey i had an assignment and i so i go to interview the p._r. Person this woman and i had a big saudi tape-recorder apor quarter that i actually plug into the wall <hes> and she's not answering any of my questions. I forgot what the details. I needed from her but she's not answering anything so i said all right. Thanks i pulled out the plug not knowing i left the recorder recording and that though batteries batteries in it this was a complete mistake i just pull out the cl- the plug she goes oh great now. I'll tell you every still running wild while running so that was my first piece for extent and i have some great <hes> assignments <hes> i did a preview of louise's berlin <hes> which was a lot aww fun. I got to come on a second tour second leg of the tour of george harrison ben fong torres had first leg and for some reason rolling stone wanted to attack him because he wasn't doing beatles songs he was doing all his michigan with ravi shankar right so so by the time i come onto the tour hi larry rolling stone the first piece of come out and got slammed so i was like a pariah bill graham took me aside he was he was promoted and he goes kid just hang around with playing a long island next and then we come back to the garden. I'll get you interview with george harrison. Now i had already done a preview of <hes> blood on the tracks dylan's album mm-hmm and that's how i admit right and <hes> <hes> i had heard the album for came out and so the day of the show at the garden graham a._m. Takes me down to the dressing room and opened the door and george harrison he's sitting in a loaded position with all these pillows and incense burning and you know the the things on the wall and is very wary still so i said opposite him and i said hey george have have you heard tangled up in blue yet and he goes yeah isn't it great and we both started singing together. That's right and so he it gave me so. Why is it so i do. The peace and i say look you gotta give the guy credit. This is music that he loves you know he's got ravi shankar his mentor for opening for him. <hes> you know he doesn't want to do the old beal songs. I don't you know and that's what i right. Then apparently early on winner wanted to keep the attack and he writes. My copy leaves my name on it so now oh shit so it it was he wasn't even xerox's what what were those things graphs type something you'd have yeah it was it was that it that harbin piccard and carbon carbon copies so i had a carbon copy of my original article and i sent it to harrison in england and a year later. I'm sitting in the bottom line. I think it was the <hes> kinky friedman and all of a sudden a guy comes up and says hey larry. I look up as george harrison he goes you know. I thought you were really schmuck when that auto came out. I'm glad you sent me what your articles now. We know who the real asshole is. Theon weber good story you met and leonard cohen around this time yeah seventy three piece on leonard and you know it was the kind of thing where <hes> you know i get i can get very compulsive and <hes> you know it's. I always want to get more and more and more so and leonard was very accommodating. So i mean you know i i went to the shows. I went back to his hotel. <hes> being interviewed for hours and hours always and he was just such a wonderful guy. I mean of all those people that i met in rock and roll leonard was the real mench. You know that's nice and you guys as became lifelong friends. I love that he would he would send you an email and write dear jew yes well. My email was new york right yeah. What was the i mean. What was he likes to spend time with. I mean i don't think we've had anybody on this podcast. In new leonard cohen well you know okay one time we were at his house and and <hes> <hes> i guess he was between girlfriend's girlfriend wasn't there up because leonard was real ladies man but <hes> i remember we were <hes> <hes> we ate tv dinners and we watched joe pine joe pine why <music> guilt that's a name. That's come up on this. Show talk show. Yes jerry springer he loved. That's the kind of stuff all that stuff. I've had a great sense of you while while while so tell us about the dylan meeting. I mean you wrote the piece about blood on the tracks. Because is it because you you you saw awesome live. I also love the story when you saw him. I guess you were still pretty much a kid. Your father said he looked like shipping clark. Yeah you met him. Once or you saw once chai saw at white plains has the white plains. It was a few months after a about the album and <hes> again. I was too young to drive. My parents drove us there. I was with a friend who's sitting all the way in the back and <hes> and then <hes> my favorites picked us up afterwards and this was you know he did the first half you know it was just solo and then the second half he brought on the band and you know there's a alad <hes> forest hills supposedly was booed. Nobody was bullying. I'm sure i'm sure but <hes> it. It really was something else i meant. They hear this music just amplify and how great the band is so <hes> i was really hyped up and on the way home <hes> my father says what are you so excited about as what it means. He says well you know when i came. I thought i don't know where a sitting so. I got there early because they went to a movie and i walked. All the way needed a front. I said what was your wearing those boots with the buckles. What what kind of straps or sued. I couldn't see for where i was. I mean and my has gone. What are you getting so excited for. He's just a little guy looks like shipping clerk fair passages passages. The book was sixty six venue museum again. Seventy four is when you see him sitting in the car right and then you did the piece for blood on the tracks and and you and mcguigan approached him the so those right yeah that's right chronology <hes> so the blood attracts piece came out and then about six months later <hes> i had heard or eight months i had heard that dylan was back in a his old haunts in greenwich village he he was who's working with jacques levy who was great <hes> broadway directed off broadway director and <hes> he was doing <hes> <hes> the album <hes> and <hes> i sit and mcguigan had played i think a gig in new jersey and then we met afterwards who went to chinatown and i said hey it was like two in the morning. I said let's go to the other end maybe bob's there and <hes> he says okay and we walk in the other around and there's nobody there walk away to the back we look around the corner and at the table is dylan. <hes> bobby new worth jacques levy ed bunch of other people and he's dylan siesmic gwen and he jumps up knox all the glasses off the table at goes roger way you bid. We've been waiting for you all night. I mean nobody was going to be there and <hes> that's when he says we're gonna do this. Incredible tour <hes>. It's gonna be like a gypsy caravan. We've just going to go to a place not with no notice and sell tickets day thing and you know and he's got to come on this is to a and then when <hes> roger says you know larry right he goes. Oh yeah you're the one did the peace. You should come on the torn. I'd rather have you chronicle that than anybody anybody. Who was his press that you had done a piece on hurricane carter which was a pet cause of his yeah yeah. You're not the person that that <hes> that turned him onto that he was he knows it. Wasn't your writing. No got him involved. Now he <hes> he had actually read <hes> rubin's book. We're going spoke this guy ritchie. I forget the the guy's name richie. Something was whatever early guys but the big guy who spearheaded ruben caught his whole thing. George lois to famous ad yes right. That's right who still around george lois can our this. This documentary is fascinating. You gotta see this score says he documentary that that that that rats os net flicks alex havoc television. I believed flicks. You're asking the wrong person right so it's on netflix. Watch this this leads to the bull talk about the documentary to which is very interesting approach to the the put onto the documentary. If i'm not giving away any spoilers now but this this led to the book at some point you parted company with rolling stone yeah fell out well. I mean and it's in the documentary. Yeah i get them yeah so don't forget again when i was doing. The book i had a smaller tape-recorded wasn't a big one ad plug in but had a small tape recorder and everywhere everywhere i went because i i had been influenced by those andy warhol books and <hes> because they were basically somebody following andy warhol around and taping everything he he said and then editing and so that's what i did on this tour. I had a little record but after a while you put it on the table. Everybody forgets that the records go on so i i had basically the entire tour so i gave scorsese all the tapes and he he used a couple of them. One of them will use was the big argument. I got in with rolling stone because rolling stone has gone well the second piece you sent. It's got a lot of holes in it. <hes> unlike variety is reporting that <hes> the ticket prices are up and they're playing big halls now. Why are you not talking about that and i said what. Are you crazy. What well this is not the wall street journal. This is rolling stone. This is a musical cultural event of our lifetime. You want me to write about the ticket prices and so one thing led to another and they said okay would taking away your expenses. You can do spot coverage which meant i couldn't stay on the road because i couldn't afford you know without at the expenses so that's where i had this great scene. That's in rinaldo clara. Which was the movie a whole other story as movie movie on the tool that shepherd was writing the screenplay four and a half hours yeah yeah and the beginning of the movie is me and roger mcguigan are in the lobby of one of the hotels and <hes> you know what i got on the a tour <hes> besides getting hassled rolling stone. I was getting hassles from louis. Kemp who was bob's childhood friend who he elevated to become the promoter the store the guy's a fishmonger he had to a saturday had a salmon story a factory whatever you call it in alaska and now he made bob made him his childhood friend that at a tour so once we in new york i told laxest everybody we get on the road. He goes what are you doing. You can't stay the same hotel. Tell us so. What are you talking about bob vitamin. No no you're press you can't stay so had this running argument with louis by then i i told bob that i really wanted to write a book so <hes> i'm standing there with mcguigan and dylan and joni mitchell walk in and i'm complaining that you know you know i have no nowhere to stay now and and i was also helping the film crew a lot <hes> you know giving them bringing them subjects that they've flipped out over <hes> and they were telling bob rats. Bring us golden things you kind of keep mon. You're gonna so bob. Joni mitchell come up and it's probably goes rats. Oh what's the matter. I said what's the matter rolex. Don't just cut me off. I can't stay on the tour. I want to write this book. He goes rats. What do you need. He goes i go. I need a room so he goes to louis oy berry berry promoters. Get him a room what else you need. I said well. I need <hes> per diem. I have no expenses. That's we'll get your per diem what else you need and i'm literally closer. I'm gonna have to feed for him and i started screaming. I need need access and don't look samedi goes he need. What do you so so yeah so that's how i stayed on to. I wasn't joni mitchell. Happy at first with <hes> with with me with what you wrote well i. She wasn't happy beep. Even before i wrote anything when she came on she came for one night and then she just loved it so much she stayed for the rest writer and <hes> so <hes> after a few dates i was backstage once with her and i start talking to her and i said something something like you know my three favorite male songwriters of bob leonard cone and kinky friedman and she goes. What do you mean male songwriters. What about me. I'm just as good as them and i said well join but you know i can't compare you with them. Because you're female songwriter you have a different perspective blah. Ah blah and we went back and forth for type <hes> we eventually became very friendly on that tour and then she moved to new york and we hung out for <hes> longtime but <hes> so she was one of the people when when the tour was over i finished the book i sent two copies of the book gac one to bob who was with howard oak cutting what would become renaldo <hes> and the other copybook. I sent to joining joni mitchell. I few days later. I get a call. I come home and there's a message on my answering machine is from how it all rats. Oh we read the book bob reddin one night gave it to me. I read it in one night. It's fantastic you. We're didn't think you could do it but you really did it so loved it and dylan gaming that quote the war of rock and roll so then the next night. I get a call like six morning which means it's three o'clock in the morning in l._a. And stony mitchell and joining mitchell goes rats aw aw i read the book. How could you have me say all those things. I said you said there and <hes> and then i said look go back. Read read the book had quotes from <hes> gergiev <hes> about i spent ski and no no spent ski about girgis and a guard jeff was talking about a rolling caravan that would expose everybody's you know what they're really like and she read a book in that context and she called me back. She said ah you're right. Don't touch a word. It's a great read. I mean i've read a lot of books about rock rock and roll and tours and it's a it's a it's a great read that you're talking about that that party is it for the for the the owner of folks city on bette midler gets auburn and and and phil oaks is there i mean it's i mean what a what a great time. I'm in history to be witnessed to all of this and that's why i wanted to documented yeah where do you where have you been true. Miss the about what did a six hour seventy two thousand miles of a graveyard and that's in two thousand and then rob gordon lightfoot shows up on harry dean stanton shows up at the sam sheppard was the crap. Dylan's mother is along for the right. I'm happy that not only do i have the only kind of quasi interviews but i have a lot of conversation the section between me and bob's mother beatty zimmerman and she was so great i mean sometimes i'd be sitting in the stands with her and you know we'd listen. Kebab would be singing hurricane and then he'd be over in a very give them a standing ovation she stand up and she hit her chest and goes gets you right here yeah right yeah and then <hes> i. I remember <hes> saint to her. You know what do you think of all these the people who wrote about you and your husband by hoodwinking you saying you know coming coming like they were visiting hibbing. She goes i. I never gave them anything. You know <hes>. I don't talk about my son. My son is bob dylan. He created himself. I'm betty zimmerman. He's bob dylan. I mean she is she. Wow she got it. Oh yeah she was. She was a wonderful person. I want to ask about houdini. Let's talk about this quickly. He just escaped he. Did you know galvin rats who wrote a houdini book yeah with with some controversial ideas. He is in it. Now you do have like those kind of richard belt suresh viewpoint spiracy theory thing to fucking conspiracy superheroes see well. It's an interesting theory. You guys have to say well. No no not a russia's u._k. Spy he was spying for the u._k. Okay but that we verify you know we actually have found a diary of the head of m. I five who <hes> had made indications that you you know when he was in russia when he was in germany he was sending back missives and got a letter from h h broader right to the war department and and we correlated the date and that's one houdini was in germany so but the other thing we'd have said <hes> definitively that that he was killed but it's it's an interesting theory and you guys support it well so he was getting information from the nazis or not no no this is the way before tonight's what all this is in the early and spying on their weapons on their weaponry data because the u._k. was always worried about germany's <hes> potential and i were memphis someone saying to me that they always questioned you and that story about him being punch right in the appendix christie said if that were the case then all these price-fighters would have to pay rice but when we did the research we found out that he wasn't just punched once he was punched three separate times in montreal. One time was <hes> at a demonstration at the university mcgill. Where he's you know he said to students you. Come up you could see how i've tried so hard for my stunts that you punch me in the stomach and he would tencent get ready and punch and there's nothing to it about a few days later. He's in his dressing room at the theater and to the students from there were actually actually doing pictures of him 'cause he had saw the sketches before he said come to my dressing room and do a thing for me so they were sketching and the older guy comes in and this guy was <hes> he had worked in the university. I think he worked at the library but he wasn't a student and it turns out he was a spiritualist and he started talking to houdini about the old testament and stuff like that and then he said and <hes> would it be okay if i punch you in his stomach and he thought he'd let him get set in and visas. Yes and it's about two tenths as my and the guy just punches three four you gave up then the next night when they were ready to leave to go to detroit houdini sitting in the lobby of the hotel reading a paper and a big burly guy comes up and just punches him in the stomach now. None of these things could have killed him because it's true. If you're punched in the stomach you can't can't burst appendix that way but apparently our theory was that <hes> in the weeks before for there were a few examples where houdini or his wife came down with thome poison and off theory was that the spiritualist was slowly poisoning him and that <hes> eventually mina crandon and that grew yeah yeah well yeah people who were working for her. He'll be just and just to tell her audience. She was a spiritualist that he had made attempts to debunk right. Yeah that was a big big big fight between to them did the bunker and and that really pissed off all the followers in fact one of her followers. I i happen to two. I met her <hes>. I guess it was a grand daughter at a <hes>. One of the sand is where would they try to contact every year. They said rodney used to do them. There's one on the upper east side by me yeah where where he apparently had an apartment and they did one in vegas and i think penn and teller were the guests of honor at the say odds and she was the granddaughter turns out. She lived on long island. I said what do you think i can come out and you know interview. She goes sure so i go out to her house and her husband and fix a nice dinner. We eat. I start interviewing her and we finished the interview and said you wouldn't have any letters or any diaries raising like that. She goes come with me. She opens up a closet. Is it in a spare bedroom. It's filled with all of her. Papers are lettuce because her mother was an academic mother kept all of her mother's papers so we will see i was gone through the scrapbooks and there was a scrapbook and as a guy named the wyckoff who was one of her millionaire supporters and houdini is in the hospital now where he had in detroit had in detroit yeah the appendix burst he's slowly dying and and this guy writes something like i couldn't. I couldn't sit by and do nothing while that ju <hes> maligned you so it's almost like a culpa wow so they had it out for them. Yeah i heard gleich <hes> houdini for a short amount of time became friends with sir conan doyle factors into <hes> those theory yeah yeah 'cause conan doyle became a an avid spiritualist because his son died in the war so he you know this was a case of a lot of people they lose as their kids and then they want to contact them and these fake spiritualists would say oh no problem we can contact and they'd have seances into oh your son on says you should turn over your <hes> the least to the house to you you know it was crazy stuff and i heard a story sorry that sir conan doyle's wife right. She said she got in touch with houdini. Smother right and spoke spoke to heaven right now. First of all it was an perfect english couldn't be getting a word of it was they. She called them harry. His name was eric right and she puts a cheat across right. I had ask you and i are going to go this chinese restaurant near me on the upper side you wear this. It's in some tenement where apparently he lived for a short time and there's an organization. The houdini groups that gathered has a seance. We're going to go you and i next halloween. Oh that's going to go on the it's on the upper east side yet the seventy but then he has i live then he had a brownstone in harlem yeah but this at this location they they stage a houdini. Is your goal there and say okay. We won humphrey bogart as guests. John's talked about <hes> conan conan. Doyle's wife is hilarious because she graduated eventually into get doing autograph automatic writing from a four what thousand-year-old spirit named fini's and and slow conan doyle was just amazed by this so conan doyle was saying well <hes>. We have to go <hes> we have to go to norway. It was the middle of winter. We have to go to norway to spread the word of spiritualism and then the wife through fini's through the wife says no no not no way maybe someplace to what she would tell and i heard one time in front of sir conan doyle houdini. We need one of the simplest like hey look. I took my thumb that you do at any two year old right fake fingers yes and cirque conan doyle said that he has some kind of weird power for its body that he can disconnect connect parts of his body and reattached them and that doyle was you know just a i believe i mean here's a guy wrote. One of the most sophisticated characters uncalled certainly logical rational character and he was just <hes> you know i heard attitudes dini. Were specifically like what are you an asshole yeah well. What about the <hes> the the little ferry photographs with these kids were making think fake photographs putting fairies in the fixes and conan doyle felt for hook sink. What's your co writers. They wanna give them cry. Forgot delsing louche bill coach and i i heard him say that <hes> the the tony curtis treatment of houdini is an affront. It's an insult cost to who to houdini memory wouldn't die in the hollywood horsh it but then he wouldn't die in one of his own in one of those on contraptions up the hollywood biographies to this day. They're all right. I got a quick question about houdini from guest for your at south pete. Nelson has has has rats. Oh ever thought of writing a screenplay about houdini the restraint bio pic or super fictionalized by adventure well <hes> what happened was that <hes> a book collusion i was optioned and <hes> it kept on being re optioned re option reaction and <hes> they got lionsgate had it for longtime and they got noah oppenheim. Who's <hes> that <hes> movie jackie. The screenplay live jackie is great writer. He also <hes> he's head of n._b._c. News now <hes> and so he actually wrote the script okay so a screenplay exists based based on a book and yes so this way and then eventually <hes> lionsgate had a change of administration nation the new guys don't want to case right yeah but frank marshall was attached to the wow and frank marshall loved the project so much he brought it to another the studio and they bought it in turn around and they just did another revision with noah so good so it's moving along a seven per solution kind of movie. You know that movie yeah yeah the the other times we used to hang out. All the time was those branches from al goldstein. Goldstein scored a little bit about al on on email. Yeah well i. I'm i'm pretty sure i got comfortable brunches right. He's got you to come get you. Grandpa al was that the cast of characters he'd be here with this out and you'd have the the guy who owned a deli second. Have you deli abe okay he he was there. You'd have the guy who wrote david and lisa the psychologist wow lawyers who are trying to have them thrown in jail the <hes> michael baden who all the forensic. You're the guy you involved in the houdini project. Ah i remember sitting next to this black woman who was a shoe said dominate shirks right and and she went into detail brunches yeah. I knew i didn't get any of these broken. Had a manila took me to the friars to hang out with larry sent still money back then it was still generous. I used to go there and say i'd order brunch and then i'd say and i want to go. Let me tell us. I'll let you know that you know. This was was having a gilbert because it was really good food. It was a free side restaurant at the beginning and <hes> and they had a great brunch menu but gilbert not only they want to eat at the brunch but he wants to take some would look at the menu at he'd go in and you know the way it is going around taking all our orders anti go. I can't make my mind the obligation or i want the french toast and it was so long that i'll just said gobert auto both attack that every week and i go home with like a big shopping big bag with like about five french. What about <hes>. Did you ever come with me to the carnegie for when henny youngman argument for lunch tells stories i was. I was <hes> one of the people i brought into the lamp. Poon was young told me and and you you know we took henny youngman out to coney island and we did something with naked girls play the violin evac and so had he had a arrangement with the great leo steiner who leo was the greatest a deli man ever and when the carnegie is under leo's leos watch it was fant. I remember i covered with kinky and <hes> leo would see us and he'd go oh. This is the mark they didn't have like v._i._p. Area they had ratatouille here. Give him a linen because that miss you don't have bring out an actual nap good view so <hes> so so handy had <hes> an arrangement where <hes> he can bring anybody. You wanted to lunch right free. While i mean i it was a great guy. Leo so you know we'd sit there <hes> and it would be cracking jokes all time we be eating the meals over and there's no check and so we say so. We're kind of tip. Should we leave had it would go lima dollar. Each i swear i'll put down like six thousand ah six single ballot bills the way they would come over and go what's this. You'll give me six dollar bills and the atlanta would go yeah. Take that joe schmuck. You're a lousy way to fight serious unbelievable unbelievable what senate that they changed owners honors at the carnegie and then they stop. They stopped the free lunches yeah but that that leo died. I had a brain tumor that the whole place which i thought was like insane because you went to a place like exactly because she saw any young exactly oh in those days the food was great onto leo really great. It's a great experience yeah. Any al lewis stories the mind just <hes> i guess the story that i recount in the article i did about <hes> <hes> now where we're <hes> al called al lewis as a character witness in one of his key was a he was a a <hes> being accused of harassing his secretary. I remember that and he did he did could call up the secretary you piece of shit shit. I don't know what the fight was over but <hes> and in grandpa came up on on the stand and he just it just it was like <hes> abbie hoffman at the way he made a mockery of the whole thing and you know it and he said like a- and house out franchise stephanie was his defense lawyer and charlie would say you know well. Mr lewis. Tell us <hes> <hes>. How long do you know now he goes. I already told you how long it was before. It was not a cooperative. I remember number one time al goldstein explaining in detail to me. He said <hes> kid. Did you ever the jerk off on the toilet and i said nine on any you know you should try you know the cold. Porcelain feels nice on your balls. The whitton wisdom rats before we get out of here. Here's another question from a fan jason pagano. I love private parts. <hes> i know howard said he he hated acting in the movie <hes> <hes> <hes> not specifically but larry. Do you know if miss america was evergreen. Green lit as a movie or if certain people or certain studios did not wanna make the follow up film p._s. I love your work. No i mean <hes> there was was no movie interest in miss america even even with all the money private parts made well. You know private parts had a store story. <hes> you know miss america was basically just a series of and in some ways miss america was much more intimate because he talked about out his jerking off the internet porn addiction and talk about his o._c._d. <hes> but you know not moving material yeah tell us about the new album well before we go and we'll plug it cool so at my advanced age <hes> <hes> what happened was i after dylan tour i started writing lyrics first with rick derringer and then with john cale and <hes> we we wrote a number of really good songs together and then kale move to l._a. And <hes> so i just went back to writing books and stuff and i had <music> a guess. You'd call what early podcasts at the k._g._b. Bar <hes> village and we'd have a lot of like young musicians from brooklyn on so one night you know these two musicians were playing grandpa's and songs when his show is over tim <hes> bracy asean lissouba nelson. Come up to me and go ratzel weeded. No you the calls. This were a big fan of yours. We read your dylan vice so <hes> you gotta come hang out with us in brooklyn glenn so i said sure and i started hanging out in brooklyn indie scene and <hes> by got juices flowing again. I had some songs that i never gave kale. Oh and i i just i wanted to get the songs that i never thought i'd be the vehicle so <hes> i i hooked up with vin catchy owned from caged animals a- amazing producer and <hes> we <hes> we did a demo and my idea was i was gonna do <hes> the take a page out the kinky friedman playbook. Which is you do a tribute algebra hisself so ed you get famous people to seniors things willie nelson and you know if you allow people like that so i was in do the same thing so we did them one song and our lady of light and <hes> we finish it and vince says why are you giving this to somebody else. You should singer on songs. You have a unique voice right away. Unique voice like florence foster jenny look you thought he was the salting yeah i mean. I just thought it was weird. So i brought the <hes> the track to how willna whose alleged legendary hal wilner eh lou reed marianne faithfull ginsburg borough desert right and <hes> and play it in his studio. We listened to it and and it's over. How what do you think should i sing my own songs and you know he listens with his eyes close and he opens his eyes takes a deep breath breath and he goes. What are you waiting for so i took that as a yes and <hes> i did the and we sold it to lucky number records and came at april fifth house doing is doing great. It's getting it's getting incredible. Reviews and and you know a lot of the reviews are it. We don't have leonard cohen around anymore. So this is the next best thing i was going to say i was so when i listened to our lady of light to me. It sounded you sounded like leonard singing singing a leonard cohen song yeah. Sometimes they sound like dylan sing dylan song but i mean look those are great sports. I'm proud of that congratulations for seeing this dream project through yes and u._s. Dylan to write liner notes at some point. Do i have that right right. You do have that right. <hes> it was a backstage in vegas after one of his shows and <hes> you know we were chatting i was in vegas <hes> staying with <hes> the pen and emily gillette and assembly here by the way that she come in there she she is she's there and then and then during the day i was working with mike tyson on his two books and <hes> and so i go to the show and <hes> you know we're talking after the show's over and i and i said oh by the way bob. I'm doing my own and he goes you do them. As yeah and nick cave does do it within the cave does do it with you. I said yeah i said and i want you and i see him ten the two right the lighter notes and then he breathes easy. I don't know if i could write ladder notes. I said world gone lon-wrong. He goes yeah. That was good but i have a pen got the job. Penn wrote some incredible. You went to the right man. Really you went to the right man. I am terrific. I like your dylan but i like <hes> i like rats owes dylan to have until on off you know his religious relentless gilbert. This is why near is more high pitched between larry charles knowing dylan ellen and rats knowing dylan. I think we have to get you together with dylan. High now met sent him the <hes>. Let's send him the bit bit a bit. You're gonna make a project that it's the sense of humor about himself like that only laugh yeah he does. He has a great set. Well you saw in the film. That's true in this country. I love that he's influenced by children of paradise of all ended. The white ended the whiteface yeah but the interesting influence is interviews films so funny when he's talking about scarlet rivera era and tongue-in-cheek. He's always been a bit of a prankster yeah yeah yeah terrific. Congratulations on the record have either way. Can i put a plug in please. Oh the new website u._w. Rats oh dot org not that. I'm a nonprofit but i just couldn't to get rid of some schmuck in san francisco has rats dot com so we have a new website. All of the books personally inscribed whatever you want me to say a friends enemies vomits visit. I'll i'll sign anything and you can get the dental. I wanna thank our mutual friend drew friedman to to who i called and i said tell me some shit about rats and he had a lot of good stuff <hes> and i i i wanna say to this about your book reading your book there with some sad moments where i realized how much of that new york city is gone. Fillmore kenny's castaway max's c._b._g._b.'s the ritz the knitting factory three palladium roseland. It's gone girl starbucks. It's all gone harley music. It's how how do you feel about that. The death breath of record stores through obviously not happy about it. We've we've talked about on this. Show the tower records talk that. Tom hanks unmade now. Well you must see. I heard it's really good. You must see it but it'd break your heart yeah. No i mean it's you know it's it's so-called progresses such bullshit. I mean look at times square. I mean you know for say marks. When you go to a train flea circus you know the hecklers flea circus. Now you go and you know it's ironically radically. It's ironic. Though instead of you know going indoors to those <hes> you know the all a porn place birth. You put the court t._v. Show what was that. What was the name of that big one hominy show world shower yeah yeah but instead of that the one answering this instead of that now you have naked women would body paints harassing little kids crazy not not for the best yeah well the thing i always talk about on this show we always and that is that movies are dying out. Movie theaters are dying out the whole idea of going to the movies. That's going to be like vaudeville while but look i mean the way the the movie theaters that have adapted or the ones like nighthawk cinema. You can go there. You can order food brass it and you as you buy back and you could drink alcohol while you're i mean that's great yeah or the alamo draft house right but they're but <hes> boy the i've watched ten theaters closed in the last friday fell losses failed or what about bookstores stores to say you still love are hang out in bookstores. It's all changed for the better see that documentary. All things must pass. It's called you see the wrecking crew duck also fascinating. Those are my two recommendations. You wanna thank this man. No okay the website one last time w._w._w. Are you w._w. Dot rat so r. a. t. s. o. dot o._r._g. Okay and i wanna ask you off. Mike and we shut down about dylan's traveling bilberries as a career. I i remember one. <hes> al lewis take us out on an l. Louis story what about penn yeah okay he where the oestrus news you know strings ah snap shirts in the western boots and his teeth will like brown and the ad long rotten fingernails and smelly cigar gar right and and the frizzy gray hair and we were at one of the brunches and al goldstein and saying i'm putting out a new magazine and and each each month is gonna have a celebrity birdie in view the month and <hes> and he goes this month. It's ten intel and <hes> i louis turns to me gauche. Oh and i go to penn and teller and al lewis disgusted -ly waves and goes pay hit. It tells in front of the man's wife emily. I'm sorry we haven't even met and i'm apologizing the documentary to be should sit yes <hes> the documentary is <hes> on netflix. Yes which gilbert is not sure or if he has right and it's <hes> it's by martin scorsese and his call rolling thunder revue bob dylan bob or anyone story and after you watch documentary you can go to w._w._w. 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Interview with David Godfrey: binge eating, depression and body image

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Interview with David Godfrey: binge eating, depression and body image

"Tab as adema coming here and welcome to the podcast told told you it wouldn't be long before the next episode would come out. This one actually cameron quicker than i expected. I interviewed at david godfrey who is well known in the industry as a pig performance coach an also an author who lives in which is only an hour's drive love from where i currently live and i was fortunate enough to be able to interview him in-person whenever i can make the effort to conduct today's podcast interviews in person. There's so much more fun and enjoyable to do any pick up so much more when you're in the room with the person such as body language and as a result the interviews a betta hopefully ask better questions. David is a super passionate guy and and it really comes across in this interview his a great message and he tackles some really important topics that i think many people deal with like emotional aiding <unk> binge eating body image disorders issues depression anxiety but before we get started on the interview i'm going to mention a few companies that i recommend and that i personally use for my own health four supplements and training apparel. It's my protein. They're fantastic. Fantastic company have a huge range and they shipped to just about anywhere in the world. You can use the discount code six in four thirty thirty thirty percent of your next online order now for meals and meal delivery plans if you live in the u._a. A highly recommend cake hell l. extra and fuel up to use discount code best body fifteen and now we've actually got a twenty percent off our referral code so if your in the u._s._a. And you're looking to get your meals delivered used their discount code and and if you want bone broth delivered here in the u i personally use clean living card and the card to use to get a discount is six four four six four on the online checkout and if you're not familiar with bone broth dane henry on the very last episode and we go into to the potential uses and benefits of bone broth now want any more of your time. Here's the interview with david gotree so today. I'm here to interview david. Godfrey david is a mindset and body transformation specialists with over fifteen years of coaching experience. He's the author of. I've think straight to lose whites and he runs a coaching business. Chase off focusing on emotional and behavior change his quite prolific with his online instagram contents. He offers great insights ideas and solutions. I think the content shares are feel often. Gets overlooked worked by let a lot of people in the coaches especially the listens to this podcast. I think would attest that that people overlook the the areas the david works in and and so i think everyone needs to hear a little bit more from from david so welcome david to the podcast. Thank you very much pleasure to be awesome so book before we get into the nitty gritty of specifics on what you do. Can you just give us a brief snapshot of your career and i guess what it is. You do now yeah absolutely so. I'm so glad we got got up and running with good time this morning. Are things pretty hectic this morning and for let for those of you who don't know we've got a fourteen month boy and and unfortunately moment rachel's which will about bugs so she's like horrendously sick doc and all hell broke loose this morning. I wasn't even sure that was going to be ready on time for this podcast because rachel go ahead down the toilet. She's vomiting everywhere. She's shouting at me you. Can you got the baby. I grabbed the baby but something that is obviously not helping with with rachel being sake down. Tola paula is obvious just had the biggest poon army ever. It's exploded out the nappy. It's up back of change table and then i'm trying to trying exactly down and he's like he's just getting his hands in the poo and like he's like grabbing his bits and these this thing needs to take is not be off like he looks dead. Goes all stale when you know he's going to have a we. We everywhere so anyway yeah that was that was comedy video. I know so but it's it's really interesting because it's it's also so much or not that in a weird sort of way kind of encompasses a low of what we do which is working with busy hardware professionals who've got a full on career or they've got their own business and do you know what it's like being an entrepreneur being business owner pulling all of the hours in the day and they got a busy life and family life and they want to get into the shape of their life and stay in shape a._p. About that's basically what we help people do and i think you know so much of what people get taught is the the the perfect scenario of your unique tweenies relationship but you definitely don't have a family like the only thing you've got got to think about is what you're going to eat and how you're going to train that day and i it's. It's quite different for a lot of people's clients who kind of in a similar similar sort position to us where they've got. They got going on so yeah how we got here so rachel. I launched chase life in twenty fifteen yeah and so right. Now we help people in two primary areas we help people overcome binge eating emotional eating thing and a disorder relationship with food as well as covering other obviously covering very important related topics like low self worth like a lack of confidence imposter syndrome negative body image often goes along with those things as well then we have another program where we help people overcome chronic anxiety <unk> as well as depression yet so how i got here i've i've always been interested in mindset sat in psychology and human performance ever since i was a kid i i grew up naturally good at sports but nor confident kit and enlarge part of my <hes> lack of confidence came from the fact that because i was good academically and always good at sports listen. All of a sudden like all of my self worth was now attached to always living up to this identity. I had a massive fear of of losing had a favor of what would be perceived if i lost all <hes> the rejection the fear of humiliation and so on and and and i grew up with kind of a lot of people pleasing behaviors and so i just got fascinated by how to overcome these things and start working on myself south and i remember the first probably the first book the bought was poorly about fourteen time soy always my first sport was swimming and it was just a book on sports psychology and there was a lot things things now and it just snowballed from there and then i started looking into hypnosis and hypnotherapy and then i discovered n._l._p. And then just kind of went down this rabbit hole made some massive transformation myself but also then started going on more and more and more programs and courses and studied with richard bandler evan then tony robbins phil parka stephen brooks and you start learning all the skills in p. in hypnotherapy life. Coaching amazon is a few other related areas as well and warn absolutely loved it too like noticed that i was good at it and i could help people change and then i started getting originally it was about my own personal discovery and and selfish fixing yourself yeah and it was it was it was it was fixing myself for sure but it was also about. They basically just wanted to be super human. Just i just wanted to have magical powers basically and so how how do tap into that kind of infinite potential that we all have so that was that's a pretty early age to be self aware and to start that journey yeah. I think i've always been quite introspective. I've always <hes> i've always had a analytical the little minds in being able to figure out patterns. I think i've yeah i've always enjoyed <hes> that kind of puzzle and and yeah i've i've often connoisseur. I spent time thinking about why do i feel this way and so so so on engineering as as as all of us like growing up and then you you adolescence like going through a bunch of stuff yeah here mike what you doing how you how oh you'll get through the day like why why you feel certain ways and how to change one feeling into like yeah that's that's kind of and who was the person model or the coach that you had that you sort of shape the career path because i mean it's not not a common one. When you're in high school you say okay. I'm going to be a coach performance coach. So when you go to korea's cancel they like you know. Do you want to be a a lawyer or accountant. All these other things. My path was not clear what's website whilst whilst mindset and studying this stuff has always been a common one thing. It hasn't hasn't always been my career. My profession and it wasn't obvious from day one. I went so many different routes. I had no idea and again as paul of not really knowing sort of not really knowing who i was and also going as a people please a a lot of decisions that i made early days. Were basically to please my parents. All i had no idea what decision to make and so i just kind of took their guidance so blue straight school. I did a reprint his neck officer working on helicopters. The then i went to university originally to study engineering then i changed to european business <music> then i graduated then i tried to join the army failed to the medical on grounds of both exeter and my thoughts gutted about that so and that was pretty much a year of my life because i spent a year training because they only did we have this thing called the prianti. What's a year so that was a year of my life kind of expecting to get it like i thought like why would i not get in there and and an end from their from their became a person trainer so they're not as personal trainer for a few years and then started working in practice working. Uh helping people overcome issues including depression. I also worked with a lot of people with emi. Cornick fatigue fibromyalgia yeah that was in the u._k. Or all of this has been in the u._k. Young and then yeah so so did that fallen eventually went all in on what we do now so originally. I used to see people face to face now. Al everything that we do is online. We moved to dubai two years ago so originally in london moved to two by two years ago and now we're just down the road and yeah yeah that's awesome so i guess part of the one of the key areas that i want to talk about today and as part of one of your programs is ah yes binge eating and emotionally eating and i guess we need to relate it to other things lyda but bit working as a coach for seventeen odd years you say that there's there's always patterns with people in terms of the aiding behaviors and you can change and we spoke about it before we actually hit record as where you can tell someone specifically eight fifteen hundred calories eight grams of protein you do this cop cycling whatever it is you'll get to the result that it is <music> but whenever people with get there or there's some sort of self sabotage and a lot of times more often than not it comes back to waiting in the emotional patents that people have with aiding so can you just i guess stop and touch on the topics with emotional eating right because it's it's a big massive area and possibly one of the places to start is is what you mentioned about the nutritional guidance that people get given even so. There's a number of things that contribute to binge. Eating one of them is the internal psychological psychological environment that you're nutritional practice. If you like puts you into so if i said she white as of midnight tonight. Chocolate is a raised. The face of youth doesn't exist anymore. What what you gonna do. You're gonna get your fill right. You're gonna go right. I needs to satisfy not just my desire for chocolate white now but every future designed for chocolate i could ever possibly have it's when people follow either diets with very rigid works and vase twitchell's like you can't you can eat in this window or you cannot eat these certain shops of foods and it's the same kind of internal. Oh pressure that you get when people are counting calories tracking their matt gross. Now a lot of people obviously are very keen on flexible dieting and they say they know you know when you count calories. You've got all of this flexibility. You can swap one thing for another thing as long as it fits the same numbers but it's the belief if you need to go that to that level of specificity <hes> you need to control things to that infinitely small degree three that creates so much internal pressure that inevitably your brain is going to rebel at some point inevitably. Your brain is going to find some excuse accused for you to just have a taste of something and that can be a number of reasons. Sometimes it's because union environment. You can't control everything one hundred percent at one the mistaken beliefs that were one of the approaches that a lot of people take is they they in the past whenever i've been whenever i've been able to successfully in quotations lose weights is been because i've been very rigid very disciplined very strict on my diet so obviously what i'm missing out right now is more willpower is more disciplined is getting things even more precise. I'm gonna leave no stone unturned. I'm going to get everything perfect everything and so that's what they do but then the moment they're in any kind of environment where they don't have one hundred percent control. It's like i don't know how to handle it and so and so it breeds an all or nothing mindset. It's either a good day or it's not and so. If it's not a good day we'll throw the baby out with water and so it might be something that might be one of those situations where they noticed those converges surges and cravings coming up and they just get louder louder louder and it feels like the perception that people have when when now experiencing binge eating is the only way that they can get it to shut the hell up is to just give into it that voice can be you very artful and so we can go with this but but basically there's a part of the brain which is hundreds hundreds of millions of years older than the part your brain that you used to consciously think with you conscious brain but that part of your brain doesn't operate of logic aww or intelligence it operates just off associations and it's created this association between binge eating and your very survival and so somebody can get into that a place where it's getting louder louder louder and since it feels like big bitch now if you don't bitch now you're gonna die like a message that that is trying to each doing everything it can to keep the habit alive because it's got the mistaken bit of code in there if you like the binge-eating equal survival and so it can be all awful in all kinds of ways to get you to do that it can be like very insidious and saying well you know you you know you're gonna be january seamark year or go on you deserve a break or it can be super aggressive like your bitch now but it feels like the only way you can get to shut the hell is to is to give into it. There's all kinds of things that the environment that people start looking at the environment. They didn't stop blaming the environment. They didn't start looking at because this is because of this but the portion of the brain that we need to tackle this is kind of the source of the issue which i use the term you survivor brain. If i'm sure you've got quite a lot science nerds so if you get into the limbic system and the amid dealer yang in that part of your brain the tom that these habits are going to be stored within and butts. What's going what's going on is that somebody gets to that place where they taught fight the edges they have to give in and that kind of internal feeling that internal prochet shit is massively exacerbated when somebody's counting calories all that people on honestly. I don't know anybody who counts calories all day every day. As long term method for one tracking behavior to staying in control of their weight loss in their body transformation journey also doesn't have massive issues around food who is an and new arctic or have massive anxiety or fear around food who isn't a perfectionist with it lost all going to a restaurant in your pulling out a set of scales exactly you're wearing is that one hundred fifty grams one hundred and seventy grabs yeah. I'm so one of the things that we say is when is it that somebody becomes uber obsessed with counting calories when they need constant reassurance. It's it's the same reason people get in on the weighing scales. Every single day is they. They have this desperation mindset which is based on fear. It's only if if i can get there please please please get my goals. I am going to get there. I can get there like into that if they don't have things in this. This super excessively controlled window. They have this massive losing control and that's one of the another thing with counting calories. Is that the more precisely so you believe something has to be controlled. The more fair of control you're going to ha- and the other thing is i guess it's sort of interrelated as well but that for more like self soothing so maybe they're not people that elect tracking the mackerels every specific thing but they come home at the the end of the day. If i had a stressful day in the office the the kids done something wrong or whatever it is that we spoke about before and they'll use a chocolate one and whatever it is to sell the end the day yet so yeah exactly and so now we're getting into a lot more of what's binge eating is really about <hes> very often when somebody's struggling with binge eating they think binge eating. That's about food then surely the solution is to do with food. I need to study nutrition more. I need to understand nutrition in more detail anita to look more diets better diets. That's going to work for me ultimately. It's not about food. It's about your emotions. It's about how you regulate your behavior on your emotions so absolutely why is that ultimately binge. Eating is a vehicle that you have learned to use to regulate your emotions. There's basically two things that you wanted to either twenty. Get away from emotions you don't like or you're trying to move towards you. You do like most of the time. The biggest factor aksa is getting away from emotions. You don't like feeling stressed feeling overwhelmed. Perhaps struggling with things like self worth or feeling angry. We've feeling out of control in your life and like you said it's it's. It's way too suv you way to get some kind of release. One of the most common so a <hes> binge eating actually provides people with benefits benefits at the unconscious level and one of the most common ones. Is that feeling of just just nothingness. It's it's an opportunity to just zone out kind of stones too. It's like it's got switching off. It's very hypnotic quality to the ritualistic behavior. Hey i just eating food. Mindlessly helps you to just zone out space out. Yes which you bite off and quote not think off yeah. I think i watched one of your your videos on instagram. You spoke about how if you alexei an anti personnel constantly going to be doing and shaving. I'm doing something it's also filling that void a hundred percent. Yes massively connected to it. So many people have learned assu us food for the reasons that we just discussed but that's going to be compounded in embedded even more. If somebody is the the language we use. Is there a human doing which basically means you're no longer human being a human doing because now your self worth is tied to always being busy and you he always needs to feel like your achieving or over achieving or breaking through and sitting down and doing quote nothing to you. Is that means you being lazy that means you're being worthless that means you have no value that means you're wasting want and so now you don't give yourself permission to just switch off so at least eating is a doing thing so now i can keep my human doing status i can. I'm not wasting time. I'm being busy keeping me busy but it's also an excuse for me to switch switched my brain off and just go home and so you'll break. That's that's neat that you're absolutely must have. Is that ability to switch off. Let your your nervous system goes in cycles throughout the day so i'm sure many of your listeners will know about the sympathetic in the power synthetic nervous system for those who don't basically the power sympathetic is the rest and digest estimates the modality we go into when we're healing and recovering and soothing digesting food and then we've got the sympathetic which is the the part you never system the kicks in when you make a busy it's the part responsible for the fight or flight response but also is the part that kicks in to do a good work how or when you being really busy at work when you're breaking breaking through and a lot of people try to force themselves to live in this synthetic all day long most they're awake and then get all of their power sympathetic that it needs when they're asleep at night. Never system just doesn't work that way like we go. We have cycles split in the day and if you ever notice yourself drifting off daydreaming procrastinating procrastinating can't concentrate anymore that's basically your spouse and pathetic number system kicking in wanting to try to do some healing and some repair and some recovery work. You you know reorganized do that like the gardening work so to speak in in your brain. Someone is trying to do that work and you're denying it and so we we need to allow ourselves that regularly throughout the day. I'm what what would be the first steps if coaching clients and you identify entity k. They've got some type of emotional aiding pattern with binging or they're using food self soothing. How does how does it work what i mean. I guess it comes down to the level of self awareness. Good admit they've got some sort of issue. But how do you tackle it as a coach to stein yes so uh-huh and it's a hard question. It's cheaper hawks an i four. I think i'll just take a moment to explain why it's very difficult to wants to that question because what people are so freak when you're looking for is tips and tricks in happier and my job is to <music> serve people properly which is to fix the problem and what actually happens when you give somebody a little tip or trick. It's putting a band on some as work. It makes it worse. It makes the problem worse. Why is that because number one. It's not a complete solution. It can't be the complete solution and number two. They don't have the insights like they're going to have blind spots or they're gonna make mistakes with so. They're going to go away and they can go. This is the secret i'm going to try. They go away and try it and then they fail now. Do they fail because they can't do it because they're not good enough because that's what's the destiny no. They're doing it because they don't have the complete solution and they don't have the expertise guiding them but what that the damage then does to their self belief and they can't fix it exactly that will that didn't work for me either so now they're accumulating more and more oh and more and more evidence of that did work that didn't work that didn't work that didn't work and your brain is is like an extraordinary pattern recognition and that's when you throw in the talent exactly this. I am ah exactly right so so anita preface with with that. Being said of the question is is best. I there's also the other thing as well as if someone had a bad patent for fifteen years twenty years of emotional eating and you you read one book and it gives you tippin you might go away for a month two months or six months twelve months but you're gonna fall back to that pattern eventually if you don't have that that yeah if you don't have the the complete solution. I mean trying to think of an analogy but it's kind of like trying to fix an injury on your own. Yeah is as possible yeah but when it comes to something that's affecting your life is severely as binge. Eating is and i think that's probably going to be the next thing on the important thing for me to highlight is that would you rather take that risk and the number of times that we've speak to people who have been if you know who are in their forties and fifties sometimes even late in them out and then like i thought this going away by now and unfortunately never goes the white by itself because it's meeting deep emotional needs that must be met one way or the other and you you've unwittingly obviously on purpose huggers but accidentally you've conditioned your brain that that food is the most rapid reliable effective way to meet those needs and so inevitably. You're going to hang onto the behavior but i think honestly the most important starting point for people is to understand the truth booth about what it's costing them because what what's what's the number one reason why somebody doesn't overcome binge eating because they over the problem they paper over it. They tell them they pretend to themselves. That's gonna go away someday or they remain in kind of hoping modality and they stay at the superficial level they keep doubling with one dot a lot and then another diet and they don't look at what is this really costing me because the source behind it. That's driving the binge g._t. Is also bleeding into every every of your life. It's affecting your work. Maybe it's affecting your work because you lack confidence and you constantly overworked underappreciated eight hundred and your <hes> you getting the promotions that you want or you not progressing your career progression. Who business because you lack confidence yeah or maybe you get all of your self worth your work from your business. So now you go the other way. I'm so now you go all in and yes you get a certain sense of pride in your ability to be the fixture of all things and achieve things in your work but now work is your source of self worth and so now you're constantly working okay and you will not human doing that. I mentioned earlier. I'm so now what's your release bengals so took tossed transport letter just in terms of like i guess you would you talking about the beginning of assessing where someone what you do three to get them. Yeah yeah so so yeah that's about so so leverage is kind of the starting which which is understanding what it's costing you. It's costing you so much in your work. It's it's costing you in your relationships. How has has all of the intimacy disappeared from your relationship with your partner. That's like that's a huge point with most of our clients that they have no the intimacy is complete dispute from their relationship or it's certainly not what it used to be or. They're struggling to get a relationship in the first because they don't feel good enough because of this issue the impact that it's having on their on their body it's affecting so much and he will paper hyper over it and when you get yourself to a place where you go you know what i cannot do one more day without doing everything to fix fix this problem. I'm no i. I'm going to leave no stone unturned and i'm gonna be on that doesn't mean <hes> finding yet another. It means recognizing the truth breath which is a it's a behavioral emotional issue and i'm going to go all in on fixing it with whatever it takes. That honestly is the the the most important first step is make the decision to fix it. Most people don't fix it because they haven't made a proper decision where they're gonna go all in. They're gonna most people make a decision whereby it doesn't take to be committed provided. It doesn't cost me too much but that's what's the latest possible voice. Resist is the first one that people they have a massive fear failure and so they would love that they have a fear of what if i can't do it whoa i'm not good enough and they would keep that as a fear than quotes prove it to yeah well. What's the consequence so that you're absolutely guaranteed for it to be tweet for the rest of your life and i guess your you in the beginning you're tugging on. I guess a raw nerve and trying to make it. I guess mike them a little bit more uncomfortable with what it is that it's it's doing if they don't fix the issue pet pain paint super useful if you know how to use it most people when it comes to paid they either non themselves from it and distressed for me or they wallow in it and they go everything's useless but neither of those things is is using it. The pain is decide is dead to get you to a point to make a decision and then once you made that decision where you go. You know what normal and you're fully committed. You do whatever it takes. You don't just say that with words. You actually really follow through on that then. You can get excited about what you moving towards now. It's no longer you'll focus doesn't have to be on everything that this is costing me and how bad everything is is now. You can get excited about this. This is the life i want to create for myself and that is a super important step all motivated by pain and pleasure and pain gene is important because it usually keeps kick starts the process we call it push motivation but push motivation doesn't lost it because the more progress you make what happens to the original senior you were in it diminishes so if you don't have a talk that you'll moving towards that you genuinely excited about moving towards then. You're you're going to keep showing. That's one of the reasons why people you back and forth is because they have no clarity. They think they know what they want but when you ask them they say well i i want my shut be so tired. I don't feel so self conscious anymore. It's everything they do what god and so what what happens when say been working with someone for for six months and have i've had huge breakthroughs of worked out self-awareness in terms of what they're doing wrong but then at six months twelve months mock how how do you keep them. I guess rolling on that that simon not reverting back to a previous patent yes so so really really interesting thing with what happens with a low of our clients. Is that honestly overcoming binge. Eating is fast when it's done right yeah. It's it's a matter of weeks sometimes but some people amount of days that's not the copa usually within definite lessons months usually within anywhere between two to four two four weeks. Somebody's eliminated it completely completely sometimes at that point. They're like this is almost too good to be true but then a few more weeks goes by goes by it. Just kind of feels like this is like this is just all all right. It's it's when it's done. It's it should be fast but we'll can then often happen. Is that as as as paul. Perhaps perhaps addressing some of the other stuff so let's say that somebody who struggled with low self worth and they've been trying to change the way that they look all change something about that body as a way to try to feel good enough that they've been walking around with this issue of you know. I just don't feel you're not just don't feel good enough that low self worth than low self esteem and changing their body has been away to fill that void which it's never ever ever go into work. Self worth is an inside job nope. It's basically how you communicate with yourself but people put order these barriers in the way that prevent them from being able to communicate with themselves in a way where they genuinely love often appreciate and who they are today now one of the masses that lobby will have is if i accept who i am today then i'm never gonna lose weight because on going to have the motivation hundred folks. It's it's a case of. I love and accepts who am today whilst also super excited about one heading towards the future. It's the same in business you can be a place but you're so proud of what you've achieved an and you've got a lovely home and you you you meeting. Your financial needs but you've got bigger aspirations. You wanna add move. You want to help more people. You want you want another the level of lifestyle and so you'll motivated to get to the next level and actually that's a much more successful way of motivating people is where they go from good to amazing as opposed to trying to go from bats to lestat or self hates to less opaque netherlands so once you adjust somebody's self worth on inside all of a sudden that original geno motivation for changing their body which wasn't working and there's never going to work but that original motivation has disappeared so so now like why am i doing this again and so they need. They need to actually get clarity on what what they want. They want it and that's one of the big reasons why people in not achieving their goals is the they're trying to change their body because of what they're escaping. They're trying to escape low self worth which never ever works so actually it's about what you want more what you wanna do more feel of cream of experience more of have more of in your life if you bought it down in that way what what is this give me more of what is it give me more in terms of emotions opportunities my experience of life and it has to be a daily reward has to be something that impacts as you every single day not just once or twice a year when you're in your bikini on the beach yeah yeah and then with with rewards found found of these coaching myself is like you'll say someone for initial reason they'll say this is my all and i want to get to ex- whatever the goal is. Do you find that people when they get to the place of fixed their binge eating habits that they've then will tend to you and say of completely different golden uncover something else. Do you find yourself with you guys coaching or do you cut it off from that so often go will change in ways that i've just described auburn. It's gold walls kind of getting away from low self worth and now the goal is but whatever it is it is having extraordinary energy for for my kids and then for my grandkids and actually something else to add to that as well. I i think is really important is that often people <hes> embarrassed or don't want to admit mitt. They wanna look good. There's nothing wrong with that as long as one. It's in your control and is a reasonable goal for you. You don't want to you get six inches taller but to that it's sustainable long term but three very important it's within gene at a great package of how you feel important an unique and special and saw one one of the issues as a side the what if you start looking around you is when somebody has been extraordinarily ordinarily physically attractive from a very early age and they get significance for it like that in now and and they get significance they unique leak their special. They are important. They are revered for something that they've never had to work out and now that they shouldn't be ashamed of being attractive done if they rely on that as their only modality for meeting that need then all of a sudden now that need is well. It's perishable. You always going to be the youngest in the room the prettiest in the room the skinniest and now you're going to go into compound now. You got something that you are afraid of. Losing saying that in large part is out of your control. Eventually age is going to catch up with you and so we need to make sure that people are sitting there goes i for the right reasons and for them <hes> so yeah does goes can change and it's important people get cloudy on what they want why they want to actually within within their control yeah yeah yeah and so when when we're speaking obviously about food and self-medication when you talk about other forms of self soothing whether it's alcohol drugs sex whatever it is is is the approach difference or is it. It's the same of rushing principles that you when you coach someone among honestly yeah the principles are the same people just b- what what happens is your this survival brain that we were speaking about earlier operates off emotions pattern recognition and associations and so if you use food as a way of escaping thanks stress and you repeat that pattern over and over again then one your the experience that you'll survive wayne house of one the signals that it's going to look out for as a threat to protect you from <hes> or your emotions. I'm so the experience has i'm under threat. I i eat some food. Threat disappears cool. This is a really important survival tour and the more you repeat it the more that becomes hot wide as the most rapid reliable and effective methods that your brain perceives. It's not the most lap globally effective methods bought thought as follows bought your nervous system has encoded it is well other people do exactly the same thing with alcohol with drugs with pornography with breath shopping with gambling yum in so you can you know you the the the the principles of addiction if you like take all of the same across the board and you know that there were certain things that will call somebody to be more and more and more entrenched in the in the issue what what are the biggest ones is is suffering when somebody is in so pain is an inevitable of life but suffering is when you in pain but you feel completely powerless to change it and that's when somebody needs you can absolutely transformed things things around for that person but we've got a look at how they've encoded what things mean relationship with the world's oats like yes so so going you mentioned just briefly before about comparison comparing yourself to others and working with someone who's got taipei personality and with the best looking person in the room or the most successful the richest they've got the best job when when working with someone like that i guess it's not related to necessarily food but what how would you get someone to to change that and use that in healthy way because there's with social media people log online and look at instagram and they say all these people with these fantastic lives in the nothing. I'm not as good as this other person and i think it's a very common thread with people now with just a prolific use of social media. What what what would your advice be. What do you work with people on that area as well so one of the things for people to be aware of is where that's designed to be unique special to stand out in a crowd where that sits in your hierarchy of priorities if if that make sense but there's nothing wrong with feeling good about yourself a feeling a sense of pride in something that you've done but if you must it feels important like the most important the most special the most significant the most unique person in the room before you then give yourself yourself permission to feel worthy to feel good enough to feel like you deserve love to feel like you have the certainty in your life to control troglio environment so that you no longer going to be feel unsafe and feel under threat if that is step one for you you you basically have a model of the world is going to create a lot of stress in the law of misery <hes>. It's yeah it because it's you're always going to be only on offense or defense all the time in every single situation until you've established the and you'll let's see guys doing this with the y for example right. It's where they always need to feel important special like they're like they're being <hes> <hes> that they constantly needs reassurance that they are the center of the universe before they then once they feel that emotion then the most loving guy in the world why but they don't give themselves permission to be that loving person until they feel that way and it's lost offs insecurity and but this is not like finger-pointing because mo- well not everybody but so many people have done that and felt that in different stages of life and different stances but having that self awareness the off the only reason i'm going to that behavioral that modality is because of that neat by anger is often like when somebody keeps going to anger all the time yeah often it's that needs to the to feel important to to feel significant that that they're trying to meet so yes just having the awareness of where that sits in your hierarchy and how that's going to contribute to happiness and and actually to have force i think is really really important because you have to ask yourself do why actually value happiness everybody does some people actually value feeling comfortable and secure and safe and protected more than happiness yeah some i'm paper trading the health duck lereah rock as because they're going to like i got to get to this next promotion whatever it is and they'll sacrifice a lot of i used to work a lot with successful corporate business guys in india. I've say they neglect their health fifteen twenty years and then they'd common good all the money but it's like you can't turn back the call yeah. I think it's worth people looking at what their happiness strategy is and if you do you know if you if you value happiness and what you believe the route to happiness is the most common route to happiness which never works is the weighting strategy like you know an ox of this question how frequently throughout the day all you in the mindset of our just need to get away <hes> so i just need to get this test done and then something then i can enjoy myself then i can relax then i can feel like i've done something worthwhile with walter day or just need to get that so we wait for this small moments out the way and it seems insignificant doesn't seem that big a deal but then you do it with the next moment and then you do it with the next and then you do it with the next month and if you lucky and you have the perfect day you have this brief window at the end of the day where you give yourself permission to switch off and feel feel comfortable and feel relaxed. Oh now i could enjoy myself not true joy. It's just relief what happened you thinking tomorrow and then you repeat the same post all over again and so on the micro scale but we also do on the macro scale in terms of when i get the house when i made the money when the relationship when i have the kids win win win then finally if you're like i've arrived then finally all feel communist then finally all feel like i'm a success so most people in the waiting to be a happy strategy and we need to learn to actually bring the happiness now but one of the things that gets people stock is the we get. We have two conflicting bits of advice. One is happiness happens now. You need to live for the moment and you need to be present but then another one is well. Growth and progress is is also a critical part of happiness. If you're not growing then you're shrinking and so you need to set goals and you need to achieve goes and people get caught between these two things and they think that they're opposite. It's like our live lift the now and then they spend all their money they are saving invest for the future and like they keep going back and forth between these things and honestly i see them as two sides of the same coin you can absolutely achieve both at the same to attach happiness to to growth so guess exactly exactly very much related to what i said earlier about somebody with their body goals in terms of going good to during gutu amazing i have the mindset is the successful ones and this is why you see so many people talking about gratitude and a lot of people oh christ you heard about that what those doug but they never actually feel it all they do a gratitude journal they most people don't actually feel the gratitude. They're just writing shit in burke. They feel it briefly for a moment and then it doesn't change the rest of the day like it's so it's a it's a it's a practice that we want to introduce into who you are it. We need to make it part of your identity. I am a great for person and because the the most host if you wanna learn how to influence other people the most powerful dieting influencing force is the needs to be consistent with if your sense of identity. This is one of the things that we address in chase life. Is we need to change. Somebody's identity. If you see yourself as overweight person if you see yourself as a stress this person long-term all of your choices decisions behaviors unconsciously gonna come into alignment with that identity until we until we change them so how would you how would you change someone self perception if they've got a perception of themselves fat i'm lazy. I'm not good you. You have low self worth. What how do you build someone to to get a different identity. She's not i conduct is it's. It's conditioning listening and it can happen that. Sometimes it takes a little bit longer. It can happen superfast as well so first of all what you have to understand. Is that your sense of identity in steve. Just a belief is nothing more than that. It's just a belief about who who am i. What is my place in. You who believes can chain hobby. How many times have you had the experience of of going to bed and he had a long day and your face with a problem and you believe so your belief is copied on multiple when it feels too much. You have a good night's sleep. You wake up. You have your morning coffee in any life. Course i've got this can let the situation hasn't changed but you'll believe about it. Us beliefs can change that and often people made this big deal about their beliefs will big deal about their identities densities. I've got so much work to do on my identity so much worse to her beliefs need it's a choice. An enlarged is choice so there were a few steps first go through and again. The first step with that is getting leverage on yourself getting that place where you go. You know that's who i used to be. That's not who i am anymore. I refused to do that is to myself anymore because you'll you'll personality is not this genetic or like inbuilt thing. It's it's learnt so basically what happens is. The first of all your emotions don't happen to you. You do your emotions. That's one of the things what we teach people but then if obviously we don't know that when we growing up on kids in them we're adult essence and so we just develop these habitual patterns but we find ourselves emotion but if we read emotion enough times eventually becomes a mood then if repeat that enough time then eventually it becomes like temperament and so now we start to build new pathways to it and it starts to become more ingrained don's become more of a habit and then eventually if you were to enough times it becomes part of your personality your yeah and we very often see our personality in who we are in our sense of identity as to this is just the way our well no. It's it's it's nothing nothing more than learned behavior. You can change it if you've got a big enough reason to change it in the first place. Knots leverage comes in. Is you know what this holding onto this belief about myself. Myself is costing me so much. I refuse to do that to myself anymore and then honestly like for some for for a lot of people and that's enough to just make an immediate switch yeah and then there might be some conditioning what's to be done in the meantime. That's that's more detailed steps interesting. How it's it's sort of all this stuff very interrelated talking about binge eating to start but now we're talking about self identity but it's it's all. It's all like closing the loop on that one yeah yeah. It's one of the same rights so we'll just how you how you meet needs. The only reason why anybody anything whether it's changing their body or making more money having relationship shape is because they've got emotional needs they want me and then how do you get someone to act and i guess this would come into lighter talking about anxiety and depression but how do you get to someone wants to be in the presence in terms of stop wiring you need to be lucky spoke about before about planning for the future goals and growth and that sort of stuff but also so the other thing is to not not be anxious and worry about the future too much in terms of how do you get someone to actually live in the moment and the president yeah so actually a haven't actually released. It yet recorded a video on this yesterday. Okay the link to the video in charlotte so very often we get caught in either over analyzing or chronic worry because we're giving all of our time and our attention to thoughts that have no purpose and no outcome so do we do it in two ways one is the past one is with future so with the past. Let's say that you just made a mistake well. There's a massive difference between dwelling. It'll matt mistake and learning from it when you dwell what you do. Is you get to be self up. You get to feel like crap and you get to spend spend a lot of time. Wishing something never happened which is completely out of control with learning. You ask yourself questions like what what. How can i use this as an investment investment in my future success. It's useful. It's got thinking about what happened. Now has a useful purpose as a useful outcome and learning learning is a very empowering state to be in now. I'm no longer beat myself up now. I feel good about myself because on on taking ownership for what happens and i'm learning <unk>. I'm no. I'm no longer just going into blade. Let's be honest with you blaming an event another person or even blaming yourself. You still basically just making excuses not to work itself now the now i'm blaming myself on not good enough anyway. We'll have to work on myself. Learning has an objective outcome and so it's the same thing with the future when when it comes to the future there's a massive difference between worrying and problem solving or planning when you worry all you do is you just pray catastrophic scenarios through your brain and feel more and more and more and more anxiety when your problem solving again it has a very you're setting practical action steps and so both worrying about the future or dwelling over the past. Neither of those thoughts have an outcome so and what happens is because there's no outcome. There's no end point. She just get caught in these endless loop you just stay in it over and over and over and over and over again whereas learning inning as well as problem solving both have clear outcomes which means they have a clear end point once you've got to the point to connecticut before it's before so if you start when you're struggling with of of analyzing overthinking chronic worry than ask yourself two questions one is does this thought that just popped into my mind have any useful purpose. Is there any benefit to giving it my attention attention in the first place. If no great let it go if yes then go to question which is is now the best time to be doing that because you might be. You may have made a mistake and you may it. May well be useful for you to learn okay. Okay where where's the bottleneck. Where where did the problem occur like because maybe it's not clear why maybe it's a complicated system. Process need to figure out but maybe you in the middle of another task now because you'll dwelling or you were trying to problem solve. You'll no longer in the moment so now how you gonna make even more mistakes and what you're doing right now. Maybe it's actually much better and more useful for you to address it later. So those two questions is is that any benefit to in the first place every thought that pops into the headline or all of the over analyzes listening. You're gonna go. Oh my god i need to listen and and look out for every single thought you just use your emotions. This is an early warning signal but if you find yourself in like feeling that emotion of stress overwhelmed this as a result of overthinking of analyzing then just notice which doors you'll pay attention to some of those thoughts you can just like let them like your brain is an organ like any other just like your your pancreas is pops out digestive enzymes and the stomach pumps out hydrochloric acid your brain pops out thoughts and some of them are going to be useful of some of them are gonna be out of crap. You don't have to pay attention. It's all of them yeah same videos or maybe i read it somewhere as out your brains primal instinct is survival doesn't care with you happy or unhappy. It's like it's just trying to push you through and cape cod. Yes so it's it's interesting up so yeah evolutionary your your your brain is not designed to make you happy is designed to make you survive now could conditionally obviously can change yeah now now that being said like for a lot of people they hear that it sounds like happiness a super allusive and it's it's really not because actually when you what one of the key things that we actually teach people is how to detach that internal state of being from the outside world because most people are trying to fix everything outside before they can give themselves permission to feel good on the inside and they tried to address the problems. They tried to fix their life circumstances. They hope that the people in their lives are going to change and behave differently before they can give themselves permission to go. Finally everything's in his place. Now i can feel good but honestly like until the day you die. There will always be problems. There will always be unchecked boxes on your what to do list. There will always be unfinished. Business will always be unanswered questions. There's always going to be something so if you're waiting for the day. When everything is perfect bought before you can feel good then you never gonna get there so <hes> yet we <hes> we need to detach what's happening outside world from what's happening in in our internal wealth and go out internal state you being i because when you show up that way is just like i mentioned earlier about your happiness strategy. Are you waiting to feel good or you. Bring happiness now. What is the most beneficial state for you to be in right now this moment and that doesn't mean that you're going to be in a state of ecstasy ecstasy with everything that you're doing like you know filling your tax return and going. This is amazing you know at least you can be in an an opt if you ask yourself the question if what happens to if i was forced to if my life depended on it if my children's lives depended on it. Could i bring an enjoyable state to this. How could i do that. Could i put some music usually called. Can i just take my time and just feel calm relaxed. Could i remind myself of you know things that i enjoy whilst i'm doing like this mundane task listen go podcast yesterday with with paul check and he was talking about the polarity of good good versus evil and kind of he used the analogy of like you know to be happy. You need to obviously understand the the opposite side of that as well and it's it's not that everyone needs to be depressed but to be happy into enjoy yourself. You need to have some sort of contrast yeah with that. One hundred percent agree you do need contrast. I think you're beheaded. Be in the clouds if you're just like constantly. Just you think that everything's good. That's good is good halt. Obviously you want your default setting to be you know grateful happy for most of the time but there needs to be some sort of trust mike. You spoke about with problems. It's going to give you that contrast. Yes sure one of the ways that you feel. Gratitude is through contrast. It's not the only way for me for sure is to look at something that you have. It's not just intellectuals say like other people have it worse than me like don't actually feel like actually that's why some of the stories two examples that i use a lot. Are katie pay katie piper for those who don't know who she is. She's the goal he beautiful girl. Immortal who then was subject to an acid attack north the saw in her left eye sly eighty bad birds ah like massively disfigured and like she she's justin unbelievable human being like so inspirational and but you you look when was the last time you felt grateful for your skin. An another example is nick voice. Chick who's <hes>. Some of. You may have seen some of his videos online. He's the guy with no obscene. He was born with no arms and no legs see wet food like some horrendous you too stuggles when he was a kid in on useless like i'm going to have no purpose on net like nobody's ever going to fall in love with me. I'm never going to have like a now like the guy's incredible edible he's traveled. He travels the world like he. He even taught himself how to swim as you want to see the video of him swimming like you'll always know likes swimming. It's you wouldn't believe it. He's got beautiful wife and three kids. I think maybe lights guys has gone extraordinarily live and he's genuinely happy and fulfilled but when was the last time you felt grateful for the fact that actually have arms necks that you can wipe you off but it's only times when you say videos lack that think you know yeah i should be grateful because short and i'm so just spending a moment to actually focus on things that you are great for why you're grateful for them and what it would mean if they taken away from you as a useful way of feeling gratitude yeah. Can we just looked on your website and you've got like a whole heap of testimonial videos but just just for an example. Do you have like a case study. You could talk about where you had someone obviously keep their identity anonymous but bit bit from point to point bay. What what would someone expect working with. You guys and you can tell whether it's a case study yeah so one of the ones that are are mention. I can actually dive into the details because this guy has been unbelievable like he's he's been completely open and expressive in what he went through and he talks about it on on videos as well so if you choose to go on and look at knicks knicks story about overcoming depression so nick was sexually abused when he was a kid scoutmaster and he suffered with horrendous depression he. He said he basically hated every he couldn't gather that. He said he had an amazing amazing friends beautiful children but he said he in his life socks he he absolutely hated every day and he would just have massive emotional swings he would have that folk that would descend where everything was uh-huh smells tastes and i worked with him. I'm literally after after day. One he made made him massive one eighty and within days he was like no more depression and continued to apply applied towards him for a few weeks and then like very quickly didn't need to use it anymore whatsoever and he's now three years he's been could ever since he did have worn moment when six months later and i use this example lot to guide people <hes> on stuff that can happen. He was walking down the street and he walks past somebody who had exactly the same aftershave that his scoutmaster didn't he you have this massive flashback and because he hadn't been using he needed to use anything that i taught him. Since he first came came to work with me he'd forgotten how to use it so we jumped on the phone. Call we with it within that. One conversation turned it around for the next twenty four. Perhaps forty hours needed to use a few more times ever since then notable relapses being good ever since i use that as an example of sometimes we have stimuli in our external world it could be a smell away could be a song or like some kind of event can be people arguing linked to who is emotionally exactly what he was going through exactly and when it happens sometimes people are like oh my god. I've taken a massive backward step. I've done everything i've ever worked for. That's not what's going on. It's just a new thing a new environment that we just need to apply exactly what we did on day one to this situation it's kind of like if you learn to white the bike and you did and like like you excellent slightly now but then one day you hit us or you hate gravel for the very first time and it feels like you've forgotten how to write. What does that mean that everything that you've learned to that. Point has been erased knows just a new environment that you haven't applied these skills these techniques to and that's exactly what was going on with him so that's one of the stories are i think one of the other examples would be so many binge eating a yeah for for i could mention one of them would be aaron. Who's one of our one of our clients. In the states amazing amazing amazing lady she's like super brain and and she's a specialist list in medica- medical devices cochlea implants. I think is what she does what she works in but she had at some again had some some upsetting events from her past but she she was a massive binge eater she has tried and this is one of the things that we often use as an example support for the solution isn't a north therapeutic approaches where people are diving into the past and we re visiting what happened in the past unwed this come from or analyzing the problem. Why do i binge. Where does this problem come from erin had been through all of that she'd been through therapy and counseling slaying again in the video. She says i would leave my counseling sessions go straight to the store and buy a bunch of food to banjul and she said i knew i knew why i knew why i was struggling but i didn't have the practical action steps for fixing it and for overcoming and dan so we often use example as highlighting the fact that the solution is training fitness training your body. This is like fitness training for you. Might this basically basically a gap in your skill set. It's nothing more complicated than that. When people get rounded with disorders or conditions with a label they get labeled with something now. It feels like this there are a density die become suddenly it becomes part they were density and it feels like a disease and now i need somebody else to fix me. One needs surgery to remove this thing for my brain. It's not it's just a skill set. Low self worth is a skill confidences a skill <hes> <hes> if you want to eliminate low self worth than we need to teach you the the the skill that's missing from your skill set and it's exactly the same with binge eating. There's a gap in your skills in certain emotions one way but we need to teach you and train you how to meet them in a in a in a whole new way and that takes training yeah yeah that's interesting a good analogy as well with with coaching in particular strength coaches and china's a fund a lot a lot of coaches not every every every china but i mean the good ones i went to refer out when it's gone out of this scope of practice and i think a lot of coaches will get people and they'll have some sort of been gaining issue or they'll have some psychological issue that that is is in rome and isn't part of their scope of practice in the area that you know the motto read a couple of books on tony robbins might attended a few seminars and i think that can fix someone but what i guess guess what what's your advice for a coach in if you get someone and you know in terms of what what steps should someone how do you what densify the issues with binge eating things so then okay this is out of moscow per practice rather than just saying you know follow my fitness pal and and putting all your stuff through here i think that's probably the biggest area mistake us as a great question and because mindset is becoming more and more popular now when we see so many more people promote into they work in mindset and the the the the advice that i would say to people is treated just like physiotherapy or correcting all osteopathy. If you're a trainer and you've got a client who's got an injury can you to help correct certain things that mean that injury goes away if you have great understanding of human anatomy and being able to identify imbalances in the boarding yeah and if always do what you believe in your heart of hearts is the best thing for that client and if you think you know what i know why this this is happening. I know how to fix it. I know that i'm going to be safe. I know that i'm not going to injure them. Further cool do that and so some of the some of the best trainers out there are people who are who have the ability but there's always going to be a limit. There's always going to be a threshold threshold and if you if you wanna if you think that you're going to be the person who's going to be the best person trained in world and the best person fixing injuries stories and the best person that helping people overcome their emotional issues then you're putting yourself very thin my what the charges that you're going to be a world world-leading physiotherapist osteo chiropractor and a world leading specialist in emotional behavioral change and world-leading person trainer all at the same time yeah. I mean i mean you know. Is it possible. It's nice. It's a pretty ambitious goal right and so so yeah just just know where the limits offer you personally and so it's going to depend on your personal skill set so using the injury analogy if a new trainer and you're just starting getting out and your deeply passionate and you're educating yourself and stuff but soon as somebody gets an injury charges are probably the best place to start is find yourself a physical therapist. I'm a big fan of all of the big three fizeau steals car and <unk> a work closely with that person and it's exactly the same with emotional issues like if you if you've learned some tools and some skills in some techniques that you again asking that question what is the most beneficial thing for this client is the most beneficial thing me working on them and addressing it in this session is something i can give them more do with immediately going to move the needle in immediately make an improvement great do that if not refer yeah yeah and it's going to be different for everybody based on your skill set where you are but just what does she just be honest with yourself yeah and i think also even if it isn't in your wheelhouse of people often become a little bit proud and like you know trying to fix something the knocker that but i think it builds a level of trust and empathy with the client if you're the person inside yes. I look shoulder injury. I can't fix disguise the graph you and you refer out and then decline come back and they'll they'll stay with you because they trust hume now hundreds of the physios the i respect the most that i had when when i had some sort of injuries was was somebody who said i don't. It's one of the it's one of the most trust building things is to say. I don't know but here's what we're going to do about it as opposed to trying to bullshit your way through it because because people can sense when you bullshit your way through it and even if they can't they're obviously not going to get the result with the end of it and then they're going to lose faith and they're gonna lose. Trust trust yeah. It's kind of like when it comes to mindset work. The analogy i use is when somebody's advertising mindset workout actually before told that the we've had quite a few fitness professionals approach us <music> asking to help them with their benji who admit that they've been struggling with it for years. They feel like a massive imposter like this has been going on behind the scenes. It's honestly it's one of the biggest secrets at the fitness industry. The number of the number of trainers who wanted doesn't surprise me at all right now. That's that's that's. That's not their fault. I everybody's got their thing if you if you wanna comment and we're here to help but then we go and look like look into to them and they are advertising services to help people overcome binge eating is light. Where's the integrity on that. You're going to be authentic thirty thirty people to identify you as a coach. You know you've got to have that level of trust because if you don't have trust with that coach then they're not gonna listen to what you're gonna gonna say. It's not gonna the message your conveyance not authentic as well so what what would your suggestions bay four coach and they and steps that they could do to improve whether it's courses seminars working with you sell for reading books or what what what would you recommend would be the next steps for someone. I guess it depends where your where your area of interest in focuses for lots of people it's working when you sell i <hes> <hes> and and i think that's super important just just like you would go to hire a personal the trainer who is unhealthy and doesn't live breathe and talk what you want to achieve and you wouldn't go to your financial advisor who's broken in massive debt and can't get themselves out of financial trouble so yet like work on yourself and make sure that you're practicing what you preach. That doesn't mean you have to be perfect. Everybody's got their stuff. Everybody's always the next that next level of personal growth but make sure that you are you are consistently making progress than that. You're improving evolving as as a person. I know that you address in the stuff that you need to address and then went where to go yet it. It does depend on which which direction to take i but i i guess for from a from my perspective as well. It probably the biggest just one for especially if you're working transformation fat loss that sort of stuff i think the emotional eating thing is always yeah. Always present is not to some people. It's a big issue for other people. It's not but i think that's probably one of the biggest areas. I think coaches need to work on in whether it's identifying to find that and then referring out or with they work on their own skill set for that yeah so <hes> places to start specifically for that massive selfless plug by book think straight lose weights available on amazon but then if you if you want to take things further study courses people who are interested in an l._p. Why not train with a guy who actually invented it in the first place of whom there's there's two people which abandoned john brenda. I'm not sure if john is actually teaching banquets. Bandler still teaches and obese. So why would you not go and learn from him. I'm so if you're interested in studying that further go with him aunts yeah. That's that's that's probably a good place to start but anybody that you feel inspired by. Some of the people that i've trained with stephen brooksville polka tony robbins yeah. <hes> look them up. If you feel like investing at that level because training at that level is is is commitment so you've got to be. You know you go to be ready to invest in actually becoming the best you can beat. I'm also in in the pipeline going to be releasing some emotional and educational a some some emotional behavioral change education. What looks like yet not sure it might be a brief course united six weeks twelve weeks. It might be a year long program but it's definitely something that i've i've been thinking about doing for for for quite a long time now because we do have a lot of <hes> <hes> of trainers who do reach out to asking for a how do i how do i learned to get these behavioral changes out of my plants and what what we what we teach is what we do with our clients is specifically for the client. The analogy always going to us earlier was if if you're a client on you go to a personal trainer and you get a body transformation than at the end of that process you know how to do that for yourself but on its own. That's not going to be enough for you to do it for somebody else so there needs to be a more comprehensive khanna training behind it <hes> so yeah. That's something that i'm definitely looking at releasing so definitely follow up. Follow our stuff and if you if you're interested in you want to be kept in the loop with then send me a message i can i can i can let you know wabi releasing awesome and went on that but in the meantime yeah the thing is it's such a it's such a massive yeah. It's such a massive area in the there. Were so many most most of the stuff out that so the everything that i've trained in is geared specifically towards therapists and coaches who are going to specialize in this area so as a result. It's it's a big full on programs specifically designed to turn somebody into. It's kind of like a i guess the p._t. Lot you can become a in a three hour course bought a decent p._t. Certification is going to take you a year. There's it's gotta be. It's like it's like the more you learn what you need to well. Yeah and you realize it's such a complex yet based as well so with now obviously you your your embody what you do in terms of your lifestyle. You spoke about it before you know you've got a family family business. And how do you cape yourself. <hes> in check and guess what you'll have to retains on a daily basis some some more specific just about yourself right so i tend to get up anywhere between six and seven and and actually interestingly. I think there's a lot of people out there who promote you get up at four thirty a._m. And don't do that. Then you being lazy like honesty worker you mike. I tend to get up slightly later like spain. Six and seven is pretty late by people standards but i go to bed later later but the key is the finish work the normal time that other people do work later to some people get up and and then they finish work early in two hour window where the actually productive but so i tend to backload mart my deck my david moore so i get up a little bit laser isolate sick between six and seven. I go to bed a bit later. I'm actually works perfectly with rachel. Rachel is like a mega so right you will oh get the baby out first thing in the morning and so so we'll be up between six and seven i will have my morning coffee then i will go into my morning ritual morning routine and i actually rotate mine along like a lot people will teach different morning which was morning routines whether eh meditation based or breathing base to whatever an archie rotate mind sometimes i'll do like a ten minute meditation ed then i'll go into some gratitude stuff then i'll go into some planning stuff for the day and some mental hustle and some imagery stuff other times. Oh do a breathing practice practice an all incorporate some of that stuff into the practice itself. I think she just mix and match think what what what matters is actually having a having a ritual sets you up for the day most people when it comes to your internal emotional states your state is going to be very connected to ams triggered by your environment so whatever emotional state you find yourself in a lot of time whether it's frustration or over well or anxiety than if you consistently getting into those states in the same places all the time then it can get to a the point where that environment then triggers that state and most people do the same thing every day and i have you know go to the same short they get in the same car. They take the same journey. What were they see the same people that were they do the same activities at work the same places and so on and so on and on autopilot the whole time so i think having a practice where you set the things up at the start of the day to get yourself into the optimal state of mind that i think is super important is it is that paul the secret to overcoming things like anxiety no but it's a great place so yes oughta and then i will typically often have a morning ritual. The i usually do is whatever my daily messages whether it's a video all white in an article or blog log then i will get into coaching clients. Most of my time during the day is it is coaching so it's making sure that everybody's on track. Everybody's getting the breakthroughs the distinctions that they need doing the coaching kohl's <hes> mcleod's most of those done by a video conference you have no it will be on the phone and then they don't have they don't have a window in which i speak to prospective clients who applied to work with us. We actually work application only because we need to make sure that somebody's actually going to be ready and committed to what we don't offer people a place to work with us. We don't invite them into the program <hes> unless one hundred percent confident that fit this fit but then wasn't going to get results and they need to be they need to be showing up making it a priority and demonstrating that to us so so anyway. I'm have a small window speech people on that or go to the gym usually willie afternoon so we were very lucky where we live here. We've got a business jam which is literally the next street over there which is amazing. Uh it's adequate. I'm having to make do with smith machine and some cables and some some machine weights and stuff it. It doesn't how ideally would like but the convenience of that over traveling basically would be least next to our out of my day to go to the nearest indecent jim that's amazing so small usually do that <hes> between twelve and two then later in the the day i tend to structure most of my toss that doug requires so much brainpower more kind of admitting based stuff that type of thing <hes> in in the second half of the day then evening time is always family time so i will always have some involvement an in zombies dinner rachel's sometimes out do it but most of the time rachel was feeding him. He's like he's like a hurricane is is like the best if you follow h. One is talking about literally just coated from head to toe so an all usually have some evolve without. I will usually try to eat at the same time as he is like. I'm a big fan of family meal times and then i will always do is buff so then take time with me then i will beat him burke. We'll have a little bit playtime downstairs and then he goes to bed rachel beds yet and then evening time i will usually spend at least an hour <hes> studying learning something related to my profession and and while i'm passionate about it might be might be a course that i'm enrolled in studying or it might be a book. I'm reading what whatever that looks like usually have at least an hour do that and depending on the day if i've got time. I'm mike on my watch t._v. Before beds or or i'll just turn in order to make sure i've got at least half an hour of base. You just yeah just kind of brain off like whether it's mind numbing t._v. Awesome awesome yeah which you it's is called action. I just don't have to think too so what's what's next for for you and rachel and czeslaw and future plans. What are you. What are you planning for you. Yes so so what's next so we want to scale what we do. Do we want to scale what we do with our program and our anxiety program to the point where we're bringing on coaches to work force force with us and deliver that program and also wants to was mentioning earlier about some kind of educational program and and <hes> on on behavioral emotional emotional behavioral change because i kiss scenario where on c. few things out there that either either work hook or work rapidly and powerfully the number of times that we have clients come to us they they feel like they've tried everything and their hope there's just being battered through the floor because of all of these different things that they've tried and nothing's really worked for them so yeah. We want to start also kind of bringing being what we do but we want to do it in a way certainly blight now. I don't have an interest in training therapists. It will be more will people like trainers or relationship coaches or that finance and budgeting coaches who are trying to get that clients to be consisted to follow the principles of classical sabotage themselves. That'd be something gates votes. Yeah that who like as as simple as succinct practical action steps to help deb stop bringing some changes to their clients yeah. That's awesome awesome cool so we're getting to the end of the interview. I've got a couple of rapid fire questions that i usually ask the guests. It's just just to get to know you a little bit better. I can take as long as you want so you can just be one word answers but i think he might have mentioned before but what's your all time favorite book whether it can be selfhelp training book or something that's pivotal pivotal in your life that sort of shaped. I guess who you are and pointed you in a direction doesn't necessarily have to be the best book but something midst had had an impact on the yeah. There's there's two back to back so when i was so when i was a teenager growing up i had a big favor of confrontation and i was looking for helping okawa directions i et went and did studied martial arts and did you jitsu boxing and kickboxing judo and a whole bunch of stuff and i still have this kind of lack of lack of confidence didn't and so i found this book is pre internet giving away. How old are now. I'm going to be forty. One on sunday happy birthday for sunday experts so yeah giving away my age but so this was pre internet and i found a book by geico jeff thompson and i'm gutted that he's not on social media because he's an amazing guy and it the book was titled fear so read that book and then i read the second book that he did which could watch my back and jeff was a doorman who worked in coventry which was at the the time the most violent city in the u._k. He worked on the door for ten years and hightlight and so basically watched. My back is all of his. It's purely from an entertainment perspective. It's amazing like all of his stories stories from the door slightly stuff they go up to but also just you know just that whole concept of fair and how you how you address in how you overcome fear and face and so on and that for me that was probably the first personal development type books then went to university are then went and actually trained gained with jaffe so i was at lovebird coventry was just down the road so i used to go in and train with him once a week and he was he was so much more than just like a martial artist like he was a real is a real kind of philosophy a and yet he he really got me super super super interested in a lot of this work really not in certainly my my modern day skillset didn't income from that but that that was a big fork in the road for me was was he was one of the first people that that helps me to understand. It's not me like it's these these things that i struggle with that. It's normal and actually it's how you use it as opposed to making it part of your identity and your self worth. He was the first person i kind of tricky for me. That's awesome as isn't it amazing. Dude look him up jeff thomson. I'll definitely have to get that one. I haven't read that one to get next one easy one favorite movie or something. That's bought identity yeah yeah. I'll say paul identity yet. They also does the stick with it. And do you have any quote. Live you buy or you sign on a daily basis or you say into your coaching clients. Is there anything catchphrases that us yeah loads the one that immediately popped into my head. Maybe it's because we're still on the we was still subject to martial. Arts was a bruce lee quite which was wish for an easy life but wished for the courage to endure hard-won. That's pretty cool very good one final question if you could turn back the clock and give yourself advice when you know whether it was when you're fifteen or five years ten years ago. Is there any advice that you'd you'd give yourself. Do do do things for you so so i think a big a big turning point point for me was what i meant. I touched on earlier about making so many decisions based on my parents values and desperately wanting to please them. I think a inevitably as growing up our behavior is shaped by our parents our teachers and i we're not doing our homework or studying in clause because we find it fun to reward. I'm sure that's a part of it and if there were certain subjects that you'll naturally good at you probably going to enjoy that but for the most part our motivation and for a lot of us are anyway is because of the praise that we get when we do it and the punishment when we don't do it so then uh of my decisions. I didn't follow what i absolutely loved. I was passionate about. I was very much schooled. In the belief system of the only things worth studying of the academic stuff the science is kind of staff and and you have to get the safe secure job and you have to be employed and stopped paying into your pension straighter basically that like the maximum security prison obviously there's anything wrong with that because my brother went that route and he is one of the happiest people by he's like he's an economist. He works for off calm great career super. Happy family like he's like. My brother is one of the most evolved emotionally stable people i know who has never studied any of this stuff. He's just like he's soups discolored yeah. He's just figuring out on his own but he has gone. He has gone that route but but that wasn't the route for me and i it wasn't until i i was so what i mentioned earlier about when i was at university i when i originally wanted to change course like i sent this really long. Tom email to my parents like explaining while he was doing and i know you love me and i know this might come as a shock to you for me like changing changing this and stuff like and it was it was a big deal for me <hes> and then after that i had a span of about ten years of just is kind of doing one thing and then do another thing like there was always that common theme of mindset and i always studied that in a background and i was always doing that eventually that just took over okay and eventually like that like i discovered my passion but you know when people talk about discovering you're passionate a lot of people worry about you know i need to know walk that is and what my purpose in life is and it's almost like they feel like their purpose should be innate. They should know what it is and not the time. It's a discovery process says you go down one road and i think one of the fastest ways to discovering your purposes. Whatever you do go all in like do it to the best of you ability because even if it turns out to be not the right path for you at at least what you've got sense of pride in having done a great job until you got so much more clarity on what you really like what you don't like you get more clarity on your values by doing things for you. You yeah make living by identifying what your values are living by your values as quickly as early as possible support think would be one of them. It's it's a tricky area right because on the wall. You know that you learned from bad also at the same time. If if you've got kids growing up and your kid wants to be deny like world champion crochet or something like well. There's no security like you're gonna worry for your the kids and like so. It's obviously it's it's a balancing act to be straight. You've got to be intelligent with stuff fundamental like there's always going to be a threshold for some people for everybody but i think if you're if you're going down that you know that the only reason you're doing this is to get approval from somebody else. It's probably not yeah l. Let's good answer like that so finally where can people get in contact with view and find out what you're doing next yes so allah. Our website is chase life consulting dot com. We also so have so chase left. Insulting is kind of like our primary website on cowardly it. It needs it's updating because we've got chased life breakthrough which is the anxiety depression so you can go to like breakthrough dot com and then our our program for binge eating is chase intensive but if you just go to chase consulting that's kind of our primary website our emails run through you can contact us through their chase life. Consulting dot com is the main websites <hes> on social media. My facebook is david dot godfrey dot page judge both instagram youtube r._d._x. Godfrey murder names salvia which is also the name alonzo's ball's. Yes slightly self-indulgent. Although it's also a northeaster monka some mums french and mum really wanted to kumyk view but <hes> it was a time when you kind of in the u._k. Nobody ever heard of it. He's gonna everybody's won't is named what so they decided david so love to that as well so he's got a french name and also has made williams welsh because each race so yeah awesome cool crew so any any parting words for listeners or anything nothing that comes to mind. I guess <hes> <hes> a lot of your wire people listening to your podcast because they want to you become better in some areas. They want to become better either for themselves knives in their own training in their own self development in their own personal development all all they want to become better because of what they can deliver for their clients and yeah. I guess maybe the the final parting words is what i mentioned earlier about discovering your purpose which is you may not know exactly what that looks like yet. Maybe your in the in the beginning of the middle of your career and not quite sure which way you want to go but whatever it is go all in like just do whatever you're doing right now and be the best at it. Don't just tick a box. Don't just go through the motions as like go all in and be the absolute best that you can be and if it turns out after six months eighteen months however long the actually that's not. You're passionate anymore. Then great now you've got some cloudy and you can go in another direction but i think making yeah maybe maybe final messages is being bold and decisive. Actually you know what that's probably. The best party message because honestly is also the solution to fixing benji tick. It's the solution to fixing anxiety working with us. It is a commitment but that's the same in anything that any major life achievement personal breakthrough personal transformation whenever it is that you want more money better relationship better body better health better mindset or if you wanna be happy achieving matt request making bold decisions you call dapple you call play it safe. <hes> can i come to the same thing that you were doing before and expecting a different answer tore resultantly exactly and so you gonna have to make some decisions scary every time every time that we have invested in the business coach <hes> when we moved over to the to the u._a._e. From london like so like all of these types of decisions have been scary and and most people don't make those decisions and actually one of the best pieces of advice for people to understand the making the wrong decision. Decision is better than making no decision because if you make no decision to things happen warn you remain stuck in a situation that makes you unhappy and that starts to festive stocks to amplify to you wayne your brain to procrastinate. It becomes a habit that you tolerate from yourself. You're better off making false decisions making the wrong decisions because that's how you learn i. I'm sure it like is such a cliche thing. Success is dependent didn't own good judgment. Good judgment is dependent on experience experiences dependent on budget so like the forest. You make judgment more mistakes. You make the foster union the most like it's. It's such a cliche but it's super tweet like just be bold. Be decisive make decisions about this is the life i wanna live. This is what i refuse to tolerate anymore. Go out and checks awesome well. Thank you for your time today david. It's been awesome. I'm sure listeners have got a lot out so too. Thanks again. Thank you for having me massive pleasure. Well done for making it all the way to the end of this episode if you know someone that suffers from emotional eating b._j. Ding depression anxiety or any of the other topics that we spoke about in this interview. I encourage you to share this episode with them and to connect with david for help. David is doing fantastic work and i can't recommend him enough. All of david details can be found in the shark section of this podcast podcast including his book until next time. Stay strong <music>.

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"Claire. But it's just airplanes. So it's not really. This is this is the best seat now. It's got a runway in the front yard. So this may be. Did you see anything about that that Gulfstream four that blew a tire blew a couple of tires taking off from tuber. I did. Yeah. Well, I was kind of following Twitter at at the time and a couple of things came across my feed, but the thing that really struck me was. Later in the day we and the aircraft landed landed at Stewart, I believe. And of course there were pick a number of cameras watching all of this when they had plenty of warning. They had like four hours worth of warning because I took them that long burn off the fuel that they let it and and whatnot. It was nothing burger. Because it's, you know, I won't say a common thing, but it's not complicated either. It's, you know, you're going to land and you're gonna land on your heels, and you know you're going to do it without us with this little fuel as you can and you're going to do it. It's going to be one of the best landings you ever made. That's guy. Okay, punchline and I saw some blurbs in my again. My Twitter feed where people are like, oh, that's it. There's a, there's nothing to. Normal landing. Where's the ball in your? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Just fill me in here. So I basically the headline and maybe the lead graph, it blew one or more tires during takeoff from teeter borough. Yeah, I'm speculating based on just still. I saw it rolling out apparently of blue, both left main tires. Okay. All right. So it did lose all the tires on one, right? Yeah, right. Well, no, I can't say I apparently did. Yeah. The the, the left main wheel assembly look smaller than the right main Huila simply. Okay. Obviously, you know, they're going to need, you know, new wheels and in new brakes and maybe some work on the strat and and like that. But that's really about the only damage and that damage was pretty much preordained wants the tires blew right in the payroll. There was no other damage to the airplane. But yeah, I just, you know, just one of those. I love it when a plan comes together. Thanks. Yeah, I find it interesting that they so they again, this is all from reading the first graph or maybe the first couple of graphs. So it took off from teeter borough. I'm guessing that I guess maybe like my car, these tires are all censored so that they got a warning that said the head, low tire pressure and and that's how they knew the lost entire. I doubt down on chief four, really. They know they lost the tires. Well, they didn't lose the tires tires blew. Well, that's what mean? They know that the tire, I think somebody on the ground notified them. Okay, okay. I would. I would think that, hey, the tires blew. Well, you're playing was still on the ground, but it was passed the one. Okay. So he just roughed it out and tough it out. Obviously something happened on that takeoff a Giles. Do you mind, you know, stepping back if you can find anything wrong with the wing. And by the way tower, did you see anything wrong with our takeoff? Yeah. Okay. And I'm sure Tita tower and everybody else in the county was looking pretty closely at at the run wide, probably found some some pieces of processed rubber on the runways. Oh, maybe they lost a tire. Yeah. Okay. So they flew around sort of in the vicinity of teeter borough for a while. And allows the airspace to do that in. But I the question ultimately getting at so they flew around teeter borough, then they sided. We're going to Barnes, which is up in central Massachusetts. And then at some point they changed their mind and say, no, we're not going to Barnes. We're going to Stewart apparently because runway length and that's where they ended up at Stewart, which is back in New York on on just on the on the west side of the Hudson river. About. Not quite midway up the state. Third of the way up the state, I guess. And. I thought it was an interesting choice airport shit. Why did they just not go back to, I guess is my ultimate question. Our last thing to to burrow once is a Joyce. For lasting heater once, but who cares? What? Tito borough wants this emergency. Yeah, but there was no emergency for them to get on the ground a b. they're not going to get on the ground until they get below maximum landing weight, which is why they've spent hours and hours flying around, burn off fuel to get below maximum landing way. Second, you don't wanna put the airplane down where there's no repair facility, and I don't think teeter borough has Gulfstream service center. I did think of that one, and I figured that was one of the few legitimate reasons is go someplace where the the, the the choice of the runway you you. You're gonna. It's Cheb correctly noted. You're gonna make probably the best landing of your career, but. You, you're going to approach it with a little extra speed of just to make sure that you don't get close to a stall and and praying it there after you've successfully navigated the rest of this emergency and you don't wanna slam on the brakes when you get on the ground. So having all that excess runway to roll out on is benefit. Yeah. And there's there's maintenance there, so all right. Yeah, I wouldn't say that that anything at boroughs, marginal for g four, but you're clearly going to have to use the brakes. Yeah, to get stopped at borough with a g. four Stewart's run y, the runway they used. I have to say that very slowly was like eleven thousand feet long. And even even I could get g. four down. On instead. Read y. Hell, even Jack do that. Well. Of us could get a g Ford, Dan, stop on the twelfth out. Guys, see, I know nothing about the only thing I know about teeter. Borough is Arthur Godfrey used to operate out of Tuta borough, and and he did a song you guys going to Arthur Godfrey teeter tower song. Oh man, on years. Vague bell is here. That does this. I can hear it in my headphones, but you guys can hear here. It's a comedy song about teeter tower and buzzing the tower or something like that. I don't know. This is the fifties, right? Well, probably was sixties, but yeah, I your point is well taken. They even have music in the sixty. Okay. All right. I was listening to. So I was watching a YouTube video the day of the guy who did the foam airplane. So this is one of the big stories at Oshkosh. The young, I believe his name is Peter Sippel is a youtuber, an engineer maker. Big in the are SeaWorld in the drone world, but also he's ultralight guy, and he built an ultralight electric ultralight that he had been made somewhat famous on YouTube and then actually brought to Oshkosh. We all saw it at Oshkosh was kind of cool. I'm watching video some of videos recently and he's talking about on some some listener had sent him a guide book about how to build an ultralight aircraft, and he's just kind of riffing on on this book. And he's one was his book published published back when alternates first came out, like back in the sixties. He said, all right, I'm going. I don't think it was. That's a little premature. Yeah. When you're when you're twenty when you're when you're a twenty something or an early thirty, something, you know, that's the that's the dark ages was the sixties. When was part one or three, David. I wanted to say mid seventies, but I don't know that early eighties part one zero three went into effect in nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty two. So Supeter was only off by twenty years, but the the quick chronology. Yeah, Francis regatta and his wife invented the flexible wing. That was the basis for hang gliders back in the sixties as a possible recovery, Beth it for spacecraft that morphed into kites that were towed and in the seventies that morphed into people foot launching off of cliffs and mountains. And the magazine for the trade was called ground skimmer because nobody sword, you just skimmed the ground going down the hill. You just felt very slowly. It varies lowly. And then gliders evolved in God named John moody, put an engine on glider on a hang glider and put launched it in front of a crowd at ice. Gosh, in mid seventies at memory serves me and that started the ultra light movement. Yeah. Okay, so so Peter supreme was mistaken about sixty ultralights in the nineteen sixties. I'm going to actually stand corrected now about Arthur Godfrey and buzzing the Tita borough tower according to Wikipedia. It was in January nineteen, fifty four that Godfrey buzzed the control tower at teeter airport in his DC three. It says here, I didn't know that part. His ticket was suspended for six months. Godfrey claimed the windy conditions that day required him to turn immediately after takeoff. But in fact, he was peeved with the tower because they would not give him the runway requested. He later recorded a satirical song about the incident called tier borrow tower, rough the to the tune of Wabash cannonball. I said, I think that that news account is wrong. I think it's an error. Okay. How's that? I don't think there's anything that Arthur Godfrey ever expressed peeves about. You use such mild language, true. It could be true. See, I'm old enough that Arthur Godfrey was in the later stages of career when I was a kid. So I was somewhat aware of out there. So he, he channeled his inner maverick. Yes, right. Yeah. That's right. Okay. So you kept trivia quiz number one focus. So yeah, which airport is named after Arthur Godfrey. Oh, I didn't know there was one David. Do you know the answer? Do all right with you. Tell them see if you're see Jeb leader, Ripert Virginia, at least Virginia. And what's it called gone for field? No kidding. I didn't know that. K j. Why? Oh, very cool. Very cool. Is Lee isn't Leesburg one of the three. It's got its own little special carve out because it's not one of the DC three have their own set of rules for the airport. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Is actually something about that here in Wikipedia? It used to be called now it's called Leesburg executive executive. For you? Godfrey owned and referred to on his show as the old cow pasture. It used to be a plaque in the f. b. o. at Leesburg of Arthur Godfrey in talking about the history of the airport and his connection to it, what used to fly there anyway. All right. Well, welcome folks. Uncontrolled airspace. The general aviation podcast, I'm Jack Hodgson, come into you from high atop lookout point in beautiful, Nottingham New Hampshire. And I'm here in our virtual hanger talking to to my very, very good friends about weird aviation things. This is a sign of things to come. All right, I, this is a day where we have a relatively short list of things to talk about, which usually means we're going to run long and that's already shaping up that way because we've just spent the first ten or whatever it is. Fifty minutes is podcast talking about nothing that's on the list. We haven't even started list yet, so that's a good or a bad sign depending on on how you look at these things to good friends here. One of those voices out there is from the air capital of the world which Kansas, Dave hidden David, what's going on. Another day in aviation. It's a, it'd be nice day to go out and practice instrument work. Oh, is it one of those days? What's it like? What's it doing? Well, it's overcast. It was sprinkle a little bit earlier this morning, not hot hard IM say, but close enough that you could get your, you get your spinner in the clouds and have to do the approach, and there's no better preparation for using your instrument ticket pra cross country than going out on a day like today in Iraq. Cussing with approach. Exactly, right. Very cool. And my other good friend here in the virtual hanger from somewhere near Sarasota, Florida is Jeb Burnside hijab, what's going on with you? Pretty much all the same another day and f- LA. Getting geared up for got my handyman scurrying around outside doing up to have good. Okay. But getting out for for a light fixture, chump an alligators light fixture, chopping alligators story that only rewards people heard, so I should not. That should tease them like that. But I was just, I was just thinking they've talking about great data get up and go do some for real-life ours practice. I, I've done that. I think one trip in particular from an acid, Dan Richmond shot. A bunch of approaches it at Richmond flew back to Manassas how to shoot approach to get in. And that was a great day. I was. That sounds great. That sounds great. So this is a notable episode for us. It is. It turned. So we're recording this episode on Thursday, August twenty third twenty eighteen and yesterday the twenty second was the twelfth anniversary of the very very first episode of this podcast that we ever recorded way back in two thousand six. We recorded the first episode of uncontrolled or space, and and you know, we'll get all this all the standard joke supply, right? You know, we'll get it right eventually eventually, you know, or is thing lasts more than four or five episodes or or something like that. But you know hanging. I guess you left one out. What's that? It's all your fault. It is all my fault. No, no, I absolutely absolutely right. I I, you know, maybe even the first year was my fault. All right. But after that you guys are gonna have to take some of the blame. I'm sorry. But. Is so far and not to make it sound like we're done because we're not, but it's been a fun ride. I just sorta reminiscent in this morning about some of the things that I look back on. I, I didn't ask you guys to prepare some sort of put you on the spot, but things that sort of favorite moments notable moments in the history of the podcast, the the one, the two that came to my mind, and then I'll invite you to tell you the to come to my mind. First of all was my maybe I guess we've had a lot of good episodes, but in some ways, my favorite episode ever was the one where Amy Loboda told us restore about ditching in the in the ocean, the Caribbean, I guess it was. Yeah, and a really, really moving story a very, very tempted to use word courageous. It was very generous of her to share that story, which is a traumatic, a emotional experience. And I know from listeners who have spoken to over. The years that that a lot of people consider that to be a great episode and one that is is educational. If you will. One that is is really, really highlights the importance of being prepared for that kind of thing. And and and you know a real world experience of the kind of things that can can happen when you get yourself jammed up in an airplane. So so Amy's Amy's a one which I wish I could tell you the episode number, but it's called cherry bomb. You can find it if you dig through the su- through the internet's the other that I really really look back on fondly are the two or three episodes we did with live audiences particularly to that we did at Oshkosh. We did one when we did up number one hundred and we did another one. We did two hundred and it was. It was a lot of fun for me anyways. I don't know how you guys feel about it on you guys have a different sensibility about, I don't know what you know visibility. And and and talking before the crowds, but I loved doing those ups. Odes. I remember those episodes and I, I enjoyed those episodes. Absolutely. To answer your specific question, the first time we were on the flight line on the last day of Oshkosh or whatever your that was five. Oh, six, probably six. That was about as much fun as I've ever had with my pants on. Yeah. Okay. That was seven because we started at six. Yeah. So it would have been summer of, you're right. That was pretty awesome. And and that, that closing day episode is always a highlight, but the first one year, right. We were in a different slightly different location than we've been right. We're radio station. We all station used to be rate their rate by the Brown arch, if anybody knows the Karsh grounds which is and it was, it was literally the structure closest to the runways there were there was at the time, no other structure closer the runways and and it was right there at the intersection where most airplanes were taxing up and doing runups and then going out into position to take off. And yeah, that was pretty awesome. It petrified me by at the time. I don't know if I've ever told the story I, I was horrified. I thought this is going to be a disaster because it was so loud. It was. It was so loud. All right. We're out there, you know, and then t twenty eight and. Sixes and whatnot come up there and do their runups like not a hundred yard, not fifty seventy five fifty yards. Yeah, very, very close by these big airplanes with these months to radials doing this run up and we were at the time and we still do we were wearing headset mikes. So our ears recovered. So we were hearing the site tone of each other talking. But even with that air protection, that noise protection even with that monitor of hearing each other. When those runups happened, we could not hear each other talk and and I was horrified. I thought this is going to be a disaster. This is going to be awful episode. We're never going to hear. It's just going to be a just Hof awful. And I was very pleasantly surprised when I pulled down the audio and started listening to it that although it was very loud, we were always able to hear and the energy of it all was just spectacular. Yeah, that's a cool up. I remember it being hotter than it was hot. Hot. Yeah, because they didn't have a canopy there, right? Yeah. We were just out in that on that deck in the in the direct sunlight hosting. Yeah, you know, these days I brought raw Donut set morning and cooked on the deck that they did that they, they were overdone. So David, you have any particular memories of twelve years of uncontrolled space. The one that I tend to gravitate back to as a highly memorable is our I live on a radio station show at Sunan fund and seven. Yeah. When the radio station was still attached to the back of the FAA building. Yep, head that little tiny deck out there, and we've, we've accepted our good friend, Dave shawl betters invitation to do a live show. So we pick in the middle of the week and a two hour slot, and it's like, holy crap how we're gonna fill two hours. And I still remember dragon berry Valentine up to sidewalk, saying, come up here. What are you doing? We're doing a podcast, what's that? Well, it's like a radio show on the internet. You're sitting on, we'll ask you questions. He was so gracious. He was, yeah. Yeah, but my favorite moment of that whole day. That episode. Yeah. Was taking Jeb to a private club to which now belongs. Yeah, and getting self. Adjusted to the right attitude for what we were about to commit. Okay. And walking back to the radio station and seeing Jack pacing, staring intently in opposite direction. Looking for us to come from media center. And he turns around goes, where have you been? We're on in five minutes. No, we just went to. You've been drinking? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I was a little frantic that morning to agree. The we as we've been doing for twelve years now, we, we muddled through. We pulled it off and nobody knew that we were crazy later until later. And we more than modal through that also was a great and joke about it being two hours and how we're gonna fill two hours as I recall, we not only filled it. It was so good that we turned into a double episode. It was actually two one hour episodes. So yeah, that was a good one. Two and God bless shall better. We give him a lot of a lot of, you know, grief for various things, but he took a chance on us back then and we appreciated it then and we still appreciate it now who gives better grief. Okay. Maybe it's just me. Yeah, I just wanted to. There's actually a Dave show better somewhat related story on the list that maybe we're going to get to here. We'll see. But anyways, twelve years of uncontrolled airspace. It's been cool guys. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Thanks our listeners that that we've got an Willis and make it worthwhile. Yeah, and we all big thanks to Mr. shell better for how gracious he's been over the years and and helping us break out of just being a internet podcast to radio podcast. And I know because that opened the door for us doing it at Oshkosh and the dailies radio station runs at at air venture and really helped put us on the map. Yeah, but like I, I enjoyed the the live audience wants to, we should do more. Should we do more of that? I think that would be fun to do. For that. It's more we do it during Oshkosh. Do we do it son if we can do both or neither? We do have you know, future draft choice to be named later? Yeah. Well, it's a, it's a good idea. Well, we'll talk off line about something else, but go ahead. Well, yeah. Okay. I'm thinking about five hundred. Five hundred is a whole other question, but I'm thinking even sooner than five hundred because five hundred's probably not going to happen till not next summer at the summer after that I think is is when five hundred is currently we're talking about episode, five hundred folks if you're if you're not following, but the current projection is it happens in the spring of twenty one, I think or twenty. Well, that's only forty episodes to go. Yeah, but that's okay. So it's it's in the future. I'm talking about next year or even even this year. So I'd be curious to hear from listeners as to whether they would be interested in us doing live audience episode or two from like Oshkosh or or or sun and fun and come up with a suggested venue or event. Yeah. So you know, just just if nothing else is show of hands on Twitter or or through Email, if you would be interested in attending a alive with with. A studio audience episode, like for example, at Oshkosh I'd like to hear people's thoughts on on that subject and we'll have seating for dozen. Yeah, right. Yeah. And then the other question is a lot of podcasts actually do a lie, do a live stream. Like while we're doing what we're doing right now from various hidden secret locations to that stream, it live so that people can listen to the unadulterated which is probably a dangerous idea. They probably Jack, Jack, let's talk off line but they could. But the thing I like and then we'll move on the thing I like about that kind of live streaming recording session is that then there's a chat channel so that so that listeners can chime in and and make suggestions and ask us questions and correctness when wrong. All right, and whatnot. So anyways, so here's my question, the fun out of, yeah. Okay. All right. What's your question. Airplanes I promise airplanes ski jump baby, Asian Olympic event. This is what I wanted to talk about. Right. And this is where I was thinking about David shop. This is the kind of story that shell better would bring up. Okay. Because shell bidders the troublemaker who likes from time to time during this whole taking off from a moving, conveyor belt, foolishness, you know, or or runways that are circular kind of thing, you know or someone else had runways from you. Could you take off from turn spinning record? All right. So here's aircraft carriers, not US aircraft carriers, but aircraft carriers from other nations around the world. In this particular case, Great Britain aircraft carriers don't have a flat deck and catapults they have a, what's what's called a ski jump dick. All right, I, I was calling it an inclined deck. All right. You guys know what I'm talking about, right? Yes. Yeah. And I. Don't understand the physics of this. All right. Because I don't see the benefit. I don't see what gets you. First off you have to. You have to recognize that you came up with us idea when they were developing the Harrier. Because they didn't want it always need to do a verdict takeoff, it takes more time and more fuel. But they also didn't wanna have to set it up to be a shot off a deck with a catapult that involves a lot of structural reinforcement that was just going to make the airplane heavier. So they came up with this. How do you make a short runway longer without physically making a longer? The answer was a ski jump ramp. So the harriers starts farther back on the aircraft carrier accelerates goes up that ramp and it's airborne. Yeah, no, that's it. But but in the process of going up, the ramp, you sacrifice airspeed okay, I don't do visit expand. You have to go up a hill. You're going to slow down. Not if I'm Ed in power response to celebrating. I'm not saying hang, I misspoke. You're right. I'm not saying you slowdown, but I'm saying you are not going as fast as you would have been going. Oh, okay. I'm saying, you're not accelerating as much. All right, the that, that for a given thrust, whether it's a catapult or whether it's the engines alone, whatever. All right, the airspeed that you will have a chief going off. The end of flat deck is going to be higher than the airspeed you will have achieved going off the end of skijump. Dick. All right. You're going to have less airspeed at that moment. All right. And I think. You're, you're mistakenly plugging in conventional aircraft into this equation and neither the Harrier nor the version of the f, thirty five that they're sending out on this aircraft carrier, the USS Queen Elizabeth are conventional aircraft. They have veteran thrust nozzles because their vertical takeoff and landing aircraft. So as he's accelerating up, he's not pointing at all that trusting straight back, some of its pointing down. So the when he gets at the end of that, he's climbing already. Now he may not be going as fast, but he's going fast enough to get airborne with lift from the wings and the vectored thrust automatically putting him into a climb, and it saves complexity on the aircraft. Carrier saves weight on the aircraft of which is a really big deal when it's coming into land. I mean, he ever look at an f. fourteen or an FAA teen when it hits the carrier deck. Those aircraft have to be built up. Their landing gear has to be built up so much heavier, because housing land, and you don't have to do that with these vertical takeoff and landing airplanes like the after five and Harrier. But just that ramp gets them airborne in a shorter distance than if they were going straight ahead. Right? But they don't use these ramps just for harriers. They use these for more traditional aircraft America's story that we're reading from here. So we're reading from my favorite aviation blog, the old salt log. It's actually maritime. It's kind of cool if you're at all interested in maritime stuff, ships sailing vessels and modern stuff. The old salt blog, the HMS Queen Elizabeth sales for for the US for first flight trials, the HMO Queen Elizabeth is a new aircraft carrier built by Great Britain, and it's going out for sea trials. And the story says. Says that one of the things it's doing during sea trials is meeting up with some f, thirty five, Jeff, thirty five Bs those her like the Harrier. Those are. So they have. Vertical takeoff. Other countries have used ski jumps ski equipped carriers to launch conventional aircraft, not veto jets, Russia for one, I think Spain for another. Not not spaying per se, but spayed built a carrier for Thailand. I think some Indian carriers are skijumping quipped. The ski jump thing. You know, imports, energy to subvert ical energy to any airplane conducting take off from that, that kind of deck. It gives sedition altitude changes the vector. If you will, of of the energy. The aircraft's is is expending and gives it an additional margin for taking off some some aircraft. I'm looking here at at some Wikipedia stuff. MiG twenty nine s you? Thirty three. These are not a veto aircraft successfully using ski jumps their light and just you know, flipside of which is so is the thirty five b and the Harrier their light when they try to execute vertical takeoff, the ski jump and David correctly says, helps them carry more fuel more armament, whatever. So, yeah, I can see. Wherever we veto jets, it would be extremely useful, but it's also useful for other aircraft. I okay. So I've actually been talking with people on social media about this for a few days and they agree with you just to put everybody says, yeah, it's better does in very much what you guys have just said, I still am troubled by the whole thing because he's differ with one thing. I think it was YouTube just said, you said you used words along the lines of parts, more energy. Changes the vector of that? Exactly. It does not add any more energy to the system, right? It converts lateral energy or horizontal energy in two vertical energy. All right. And and I get that more vertical g might be a benefit. I'm just saying that at the cost of the horizontal energy, I just seems like there's a loss here. There's going to be a loss. You're not gonna. Absolutely. Vertical gain altitude. Yeah. So. Different vector coming off the deck. I'm not sure about the Victor thing. I, you know what you've got. Okay. All right. Got to save about energy. It's just pointed different direction. Yeah. So you've got more vertical speed is what you're saying? The change in better. All right. I three dimensional. All right. So you got more but you've got more vertical speed at the cost of less horizontal speed. All right. And it's not an absolute conversion. You've actually sacrifice in the system as well. All right. So. Slow down on that. What's that? I, I'm not sure that going up that ramp that they lose any speed because remember there in after burner, there's a. Lose against the working gravity gravity exacts a penalty. There has to be some loss of inter. If they went off the end, of course on lists. But if they went off the end horizontally, they'd be into water, no, well, but they'd have more airspeed so they wouldn't be in the water. That's my point. All right. No, that wouldn't be. They wouldn't be wouldn't have enough more airspeed. Well, okay, I do. They didn't come up with this on a theory. Do it. There's a lot of slide rule time. I totally. I totally accept that. A lot of smart people have thought this through and they wouldn't be doing it on a billion dollar ship if it didn't a multibillion dollar ship, if it wasn't a good thing, I'm just saying it makes my head hurt because I don't understand it. All right. And Tylenol? No, no, no. It just makes me crazy. All right. It's like. Okay. Jabs backyard. Ski-jump I know. I know. See, so you're, you could operate the the Devenir out of your yard. If you had a steep and in a couple of j. to-. Bottle. The only way that the debonair is going to get out of my yard is a helicopter comes to pick it up. Okay. All right. All right. I can see where we're going with this episode. This is just. I don't even know what to talk about. Brought it on yourself. I know. I know. I know what in this next one. I'm just I don't even know if I want to talk about ox, the density altitude versus pressure altitude because this hurts my head to and I can't quite understand it. I can't even explain the question. I. Hi, this is Jack. We here at uncontrolled airspace are very grateful for the financial support we received from our listeners. There are two simple ways that you can contribute to this podcast. You can make a one time non repeating donation using PayPal. It doesn't need to be very much as little as ten or fifteen dollars as a big big help, or you can make an automatic repeating parenthesis pledge with patriot with the online service patriotic dot com. 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That inches one of my questions right there. So, yeah, a seven, thirty seven was pushing back from the gate at is Toronto. Yeah, Pearson airport in Toronto was pushing back at the same moment that another seven thirty seven was taxiing by. And because the pushback aircraft had no wing walkers, all it had was a guy running into tug. Apparently it pushed right back into the taxing by airplane and and highlight ensued. And you know why? Why this. What is wider what I'm what's the point of this article? Well, initially the point was I thought that this report had been generated in about two weeks, but I, I thought that it was six months is still that's not unreasonable, I guess, for them to generate a report and six months, so. Okay, that's nothing no mind based on a preliminary which was probably available onto. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways. A trip from Cancun. I know. Well, I mean, it just seems like a no brainer that you don't push back in airplane with a win walkers, just for starters, I mean, goodness, gracious. Somebody's got to be out there spotting because you can't see from the tug. One of the airplanes had pushed. The other one was being towed. No, yeah. The one with passengers. Wait a minute. No, I think it's the other way. Airplane with passengers was taxiing past, and yeah, and there was a westjet flight had just arrived from Cancun, another seven thirty seven was parked at the gate ready for towing to another location on the airport. Yeah. So it was. Right? And so he pushed back without wing walkers, any sort of spotters apparently. All right. And didn't see the airplane that was either moving or stopped behind it and push the tail of the of the pushback airplane rate into the, I think, also the tail of the of the taxing airplane. So that seems like a bad idea. But anyway, I thought the reported come out and like three weeks and I was wondering how that would work, but it didn't work. I always kind of get the shakes when I'm by myself in pushing my airplane back into the hangar because I can't see I can see past the knows if I crane my neck. Yeah, I know. Various marks on the pavement, helped me keep the airplane aligned. And if I keep the area clear, there's nothing to hit long, go back to far things like that, but I'm just waiting for the day. I get some hang rash. Yeah. Well, and that's, you know, I'm knock on wood. The worst damage I ever did to an airplane was that kind of situation pushing. We had buddy of mine. I had gone flying in a Archer as I recall this was out of Palo Alto and we had returned Palo Alto. We were done. We had shut down in the. It's not taxiway in terms of being a busy taxi, like a parallel taxiway taxiway among all these parking spaces and the airplanes were all parked. You know how they, it's in two opposing rose, so you, you know, they're there. You know, basically push back into the t spot on painted on the ground, but because there's another row sort of backed up to it. There was space over there and there was a car parked right behind where our airplane was going to end up. All right. And and and we certainly saw the car. So we're pushing the Archer back out of the taxiway into the parking spot and and we misjudged the distance involved. And we actually pushed the trailing edge of the of the horizontal stabilizer in to the back end of this car and bent the trailing edge actually of the trim tab. Fortunately, it's all the damage that was done. It was enough to be three or four hundred dollars repair that we had to pay for, but it was just dumb. I mean, it's kind of a similar kind of thing. We weren't paying attention. We should have been looking more carefully realizing that we were way closer to this vehicle than we thought we were going to be. And. Yeah. So maybe I shouldn't give this guy in Toronto too much grief, but there must have been some real energy behind the behind the seven thirty seven that was pushed back because the damage to the back of it looked so much worse than I expected from reading the description. Yeah. Well, man inertia, kinetic energy. All right. This is, you know, it doesn't matter how fast it was going it. It's got a lot of weight behind it so that it's not gonna stop easily. But anyways. I have no idea which story to go to next pick one. I curved runway. What. I was voiding. That's the one I want to talk about. Yeah, but with the so it's like, right, you know, this is the airline story all. I mean, this is the round circular airport story all over again, isn't it? No, not really. It's actually kind of cool video about an airport in the middle of nowhere. Not in the US I believe is Indonesia, and in order to give them. So the runway is in this valley kind of hemmed in by hills. And with a interesting approach, it looks like between, you know, through a v. in the valley and you come and land on this runway. Although most of the runway is straight, they needed just a little bit more distance to the runway. And so the final, I don't know what fifty yards of the runway actually curve off at like almost ultimately thirty degree angle or something. Yeah, it's almost like a dog leg. Yeah. And so and it shows airplanes both landing and taking off on it where they come down and land and they roll out and they. Reached the end of the runway where they just kind of turn and and then likewise, they take and it's one of these in and out opposite direction, kind of airports. And so they take off starting from the curve. So they're actually not aimed down the runway. There there oughta thirty degr- angle and they run up the engines and do whatever they do to get the speed that they feel they need and they start rolling. And the first thing they have to do is turn thirty degrees in order to stay on the runway and then get lined up with the bulk of the longest. Follow the centerline stripe. I I, yeah. I mean, I don't see in reason why this is the problem. I it's different, but well, I thought what went up per so this on the list, I thought it was resurrection of this. This debate that's been in and out of aviation since World War Two over regular runway, right? No, no, it's not that and it's it's, you know, it's just basic fried. It's been tested and it's not proven out to be all that no health long-term, the runways runway concepts that. We have now are not broken. There's no need to fix them. Yeah. No, there's no need to fix them right circular runway. No need to fix them. But in this particular the case of this particular story, this is a, you know, necessity breeze invention. All right. And you need to land airplane. You want to land airplanes in this remote spot, and there isn't enough distance straight line. And so you purview? I saw this on Twitter and I responded to it. You know the poster says it's the only world only Kerr run wide, so. Sure. That's correct. I doubt that as well. Yeah, but I use of blah hangglider into a private airstrip right in Pennsylvania. And the runway was. If I remember right, it was four thousand feet long and headed dog leg. Be in the middle. That was basically because it was built along the edge of river so that that kept the runway fairly constant distance away from the high watermark. But the important thing about it was you needed to really check it out before you landed there because. You couldn't always see the opposite end of the runway from where you were. So if you were because of the curve. Uh-huh. So few were coming in and this was easy for us. We flaunt hang-gliders- from a mountain across riverside, and so we, we see the whole runway the whole way down. All you wanted to do is make sure that to you weren't going to meet somebody going the opposite direction where that dogleg was. Yeah. That would rarely easing. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, it's, yeah. I mean, it's kind of puts me in mind of any most. All of us have landed on runway that wasn't wasn't flat, had a mound in the middle. So. One end from the other, right? Which is always a little sobering. When you're about ready to start your takeoff roll, and you kinda like say, well, okay, I looked minutes ago and there was nobody down there. Let me name runways Augusta, Kansas. Beaumont Kansas whole suburban field. Yeah, laurel, Maryland. Yeah, Columbia, California is thinking of, and yeah, so, but you know. A new twist, the curb runway. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, it works. Seems like you know, solves the problem. Very workable doesn't seem to be, you know, really unsafe in any real sense and good for them. Good for them. So when did we start calling the red baron, the red baron? Now you brought this up. Why is this? Not the thing? Well, all the red baron didn't didn't come back from, you know, one of his sorties and all his pals would go, hey, red, how'd you do? That's not the way it went. Now. Okay. I don't. I don't know all there is to know about this and I've, I've only really scan this article, but this guy apparently did a literature search and some other research and found tried to try to determine the earliest mentions of of the the phrase, red baron. And what he found was that there was basically noise level use of the word red baron. Even though the von Rick dolphin phrase was much more prevalent. We didn't start using the the phrase, red baron until like nineteen fifty, six, really, and it really didn't peak until the mid sixties and red baron was World War. One thing. Exactly. So, wow. And there's there's a line line chart about halfway down in this page. That grant graphs, the prevalence of those those phrases in the media. Daddy, garbage in, garbage out a, we don't know what data this guy was using, but. It's interesting that the the wider spread use of the phrase red baron was coincident with the peanuts comicstrip. Okay. And Snoopy fighting the red baron. And then there was the pop rock song. Right? But talking about Snoopy red Merrin Kershaw spoiled again. Right. Dating yourself a little bit. There. Too, but red baron was in use. During the war, but I don't think it got into print of talk into because of this of talking to a friend of mine who's now in his nineties and his he is contention is that it was a battlefield nickname, not from his colleagues, but from his opponents because he had his own squadron. He was a cavalry, captain Manfred baron Manfred von Richter. Yeah, he painted his airplane, bright red, distinguish it from the other airplanes in his squadron. And as he started to rack up the kills of the red baron was used almost as a as an epithet occurs. You know that well, like Snoopy Yusup. E Kirscher at baron, right? Yeah, but we didn't have battlefield reporters to the level that we have now. Apparently they weren't spending a lot of time with the Gators while those were the glory guys World War. I thought it was interesting curious that. Von Rick Domine was shot down on the same day that. The newspapers in Germany and the ounces seventy. Ninth and eightieth kills. Interesting. And in time before gun cameras the their head to be other witnesses, other than yourself? Yeah. Generally the infantry on your side of the war raised. I mean, the whole question of who and how red baron was shot down also been quite a thing, although it's pair relatively accepted now how it worked out story, this this essay, this article. Accepts that the bullet that killed Rick often was fired by the sop with camel or whatever. It was really, yeah. I thought they settled on the other one which was a ground based gunner who had certainly involved and that ground-based gutter got some hits. Uh-huh. But the airplane chasing in, I don't recall what aircraft type. This was. Think it may have been a sped may have been spat may have been a sop with. Rick dolphin was hit by one bullet, right and position of the wound showed clearly that he'd been killed by the pilot who was diving on him during a dogfight because got hit he swerved and can the barren continued to dive and crashed into the ground. Pop quiz number two for this episode. Okay. Okay. What popular film featured a main character that painted his Fokker d, seven, all black with to English words on painted on the upper wing. Wow, new idea. Gernot German character now I don't know the answer, but I wanna make a guess. Okay. Because I know Jeb that you are very fond of that Robert Redford movie. No. Great WALDO pepper. No, that's that's not the right. Okay. All right, bad guess. All right. Okay. The not gonna keep all suspense. The inches, the blue max. Okay. All right. Yeah. George, George part was the meeting character and that and he played a German World War One pilot and he painted who's airplane de seven black and had an English phrase painted on the top of the wing. Interesting. Yeah. What was the phrase? I can't repeat that in plight. Podcasts. Ask you in the after show as the after show. All right. I won't say those words really. Oh, wow. Okay. Cool. Shouts, what do we got here? We are reaching the end of our time, believe it or not shouts, who's got something here. I got a quickie. Yeah, go ahead. Well, our old friend, Greg bar net? Yeah, proprietor hit honcho scheme designers, which designs paint schemes for aircraft livery. He had among the thousands of aircraft flown into era, venture two thousand eighteen several hundred sport at a scheme designers, paint job of those nine took home awards, nine scheme designers, painted airplanes. And at the top of lists that I saw was our old friend. Adrian, I carn with his sixty two thirty five bonanza was reserve grand champion, customized, silver Linde, so that the airplane that he flew around the world. Yes. Okay. So with nine awards, a look at that as a triple hat trick for scheme designers and congratulations stall, nine winters. Congratulations all the winters, but regulations particular to Craig for having anybody. Yeah. Talent to get onto nine win airplanes. Yeah. Anybody who's involved with a winning airplane at at Oshkosh deserves kudos because it is a fierce competition. It really a couple of different times back in the newspaper days. I followed judges around in order to write a story about the whole process and one of the things that hit you every single time, and this was true for home built and ultra lights had the same. I had this. Reaction ultralights is, is that the the level of blemish that would just get you ruled out? All right, was minor. All right. It's amazing how pristine these airplanes need to be in order to even make it into the final consideration for one of these awards. I mean it the airplanes that get judged that comes dodge caution. Get judged are beautiful, beautiful works of craftsmanship and art. It's just it's really amazing. So yeah, Craig being involved with that as he can be proud of that, for sure. Yeah, definitely. I think I corner has won an earlier award with that airplane. I'm not sure it might be someone else I'm thinking of. I know the other individual had won some awards with his tail, but I, I believe I cornered had had earned one some years ago, but I just don't recall, but right, certainly deserve anybody take look at that airplane meat. He's got so much chick stuff in that. It's amazing really is is it's it's cleaner and better and more utilitarian, the more useful more thoughtful than even the latest series interiors. It's really cool. Yeah, congratulations to that's to Adrian and to Craig for good work. I just wanted to to give shout YouTube guys, twelve years of this. I mean, really. Yeah, thanks. You're putting up with me. Oh, you're welcome. Thank you. It's out tall of it. It's been fun and apparently we're not done because we keep talking about episode, five hundred so well and and and in a big, big, big shoutout to all the people that listen to us and encourage us in come to our little tie-down party and Kamata crowds to say Hello. As a was never more stunned than when Steve Tupper his son now grown walked out of out to say too because he heard my voice. I thought he was going to ask for directions or something, and. I was ready to quit. You really were. I think I've told the story, but yeah, Dave came to me after that incident happened and he was ready to quit day. Everyone should understand. The Dave comes from the school of investigative journalism where journalists needs to be somewhat anonymous, someone in the shadows in order to do their job well, and the idea that he had this visible personal persona just really freak you out David. I was I was simultaneously amused and distressed like, no, you can't quit talking about. We're just getting going with this thing, but yeah, you he, David, you're quite quite troubled by the fact that people were recognizing you, but my over that though. David didn't. Well, my lovely late wife. Talk me down from that clip said, suck it up, learn to enjoy it because if these people are listening to you, they're getting something out of it and there's your way to give back. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Thank you to all listeners and particular. Thanks to a number of people who have helped us over the years and and and I hate to, it's always risky to do this because you're, you're going to forget people, but to people, I really want to say thank you to Jeff Ward has been tremendous friend and help to the podcast over the years. And so we thank Jeff Ward and Jim, gee, Jim Goldman has been a huge supporter of the podcast both financially, but more importantly, as a as an adviser and as a worker, he's he's in the last few years is basically taken over the creation of the tie-down party and hedge. This'll loves to do interviews as didn't do any this year, but in pastures lot interviews. So Jeff, and Jim, thank you guys. We really, really appreciate your help and your friendship and and your and your support and a bunch of other people aiming Loboda so much. James win Brandt. We're early. Supporters of the podcast and participants in the podcast, and we're hoping they'll be participants Reynolds, Rick Reynolds has been a great friend of the podcast over the years at some great music along with chain. Yep, Yep. And Mike Morgan. My thing here. Mike, does these promo things that I think? Well, no, you're right now, bumpers bumpers. Yeah, no, Mike spin. A great great support podcast and Becker. Charlie Becker day shell better. Dave shawl better, of course, took a big chance on his way back when and hopefully paid off for him because it sure paid off for us. Lots of people who have helped the podcast over the years and all the listeners. So as as you say, there's a bunch of people were forget, maybe hopefully not. But there probably are anyways four time we done here. Start your thirteen. Here we go. Lucky thirteen. This could be. It could be. I don't know when we finally get the hang of this. Those two voices are my very good friends who have been talking to me basically multiple times a month for for twelve years now only moly. I don't know. There's no one in my life. No, I don't even ask, you know, I was gonna say. That might save that for. We'll save that for the after show as well. That's jeopar-. Inside Jeb is a freelance aviation writer editor currently serving as the editor in chief of aviation safety magazine Jibril even working on not a thing since we talked last a recreation and kind of taking some time off during August, but getting geared up for, are you ready? The October shoe of aviation? Yeah, it's that time of year again, now is not that time of year in Florida starting to get towards the end of of summer here. I know. And you know, working on an October issue, just kind of puts things in perspective. It really does. I got my fault Allender for work, and yeah, it and actually extends out. I know what I'm doing in January where there's a lot of time. So anyways, where can people find out about what other when you are working. Where can be on the internet's aviation safety magazine dot com. Let's see. Sometimes I'm on ABC dot com. Sometimes I am on aircraft lecture, onyx associations, website in their avionics news publication. That's eight dot net, a an online generalization news dot com. Or you can just Google me and, oh, the Twitter machine forgot Burnside j. dago they go and Dave Hayden Dave's a aviation photographer, aviation journalists in the US editor for London's buyer magazine, what even working on David. I'm sure you've been busy. No. Going through my list here. Okay, for forever buyer coming out. Well, let's see what's today. The twenty. Third, it'd be out next week the September buyer magazine. I've got a piece in there on on the. Need for. Getting the right size aircraft and had a no win. How much aircraft is too much aircraft for your operation? It's it's, it's a question. It's come up as markets tightened up significantly this year that people are seeing some. Facing tough time, getting the airplane size that they want. So some of them are looking at some of the deals on larger aircraft saying she, I can get this bigger aircraft. For about the same money as the one that I can't find one to buy. So why not do that? And we look at some of the reasons why not to do that. Higher operating cost higher, fuel costs, our maintenance cost. It may not be able to get into some of the airports that smaller airplane would, and it's going to be a constant is going to be a constant extra cost item. Do that in the same way with going to something smaller than what you need, he may need to make more trips to accomplish the same amount of business. You may need to to. Get a second airplane sometimes because you can't carry everybody. Everything that shouldn't. So right sizing, the airplane for your business operations, not an idle exercise. Cool. And that's in the which publication it'll be in the September of buyer magazine. Excellent. Excellent. Then we're people find out about all the stuff on the internet. WWW dot asp, buyer dot com. And look for the magazine link like Jeb. You could find me regularly, avionics, news magazine that's WWW dot e. a. l. echo alpha dot net of or floating around on Twitter machine. I'm real did and seem to have had a burst of followers in last few months that surprises the hell outta me. So we try to keep up our end that I'm I'm not surprised even doing some good things on Twitter. So real real quick in an, oh yeah, department. Also check out absentee magazine on Twitter. That's right. We have safety MAG. I'm sorry. Yep. Yep, that's that's the magazines, Twitter and we should add that to the list. We remember to plug every time that because that's yeah, there's some interesting things appearing. They're very good, David. Thank you and I am Jack Hodgson. I'm a private pilot, a freelance writer and digital media producer, I'm I've got a whole bunch of aviation videos in the pipeline, and I'm really, really trying to get them moving along here. I've been a bit distracted by a refurbishing old pontoon boat here, lookout point. The old family pun tune boat has been sitting neglected for quite some time to sail boat. No, no, no. It's your basic party boat. It's a pontoon bud, double double hulled pun tune boat. And and so I've been trying to get at the problem is that it it sprung a leak. And so one of the pun tunes filled with water and threatened to sink and it's this is like chemist. At work or metallurgy at work right years and years and years ago, my dad attached a speedometer censor to the back of the one of the pun tunes any did this by by basically I forget clamping or screwing, or bolting somehow amount to the aluminum pontoon hall is sort of scathing that goes along the bottom. All right. What what he didn't think through or was unaware of was that because he used a different metal, not aluminum for this little mount to us, and I forget if it was copper or some sort of steel, but whatever it was, it was a type of metal that that interacted with the aluminum in sort of electrolysis sort of way. And over the years, it actually ate away at the skin of the pun tune and actually ate a hole in the pun tune at the very, very bottom of the pond tune. So it started leaking. And drydock trip. Yeah. Well, and it's real. That's part of the problem I've got right now. If for a long time it wasn't a big enough hole because the pun tunes airtight, not a lot of water was going in because it just wasn't a way for the air to get out, but it seems to have gotten worse over the years. So it was really starting to sink. And so I really need to deal with this, but I'm trying to figure out how to how to temporarily plug it while it's in the water because it's not trivial to lift the sing out of the water while at the same time how to how to pump it out because it's not a big long story, but I'm working on that. That's been my kind of around the house project here at lookout point. I'm still hung up on this thing the fact that you have a party boat. Yeah. What's wrong with that. Everybody has their very, very popular for second only these days to kayaks. Yeah, it's a called a party boat, basically big flat decked boat for the bunch of bench seats and and you go out and and just go cruising. And you know, usually there's some adult beverage involved, at least for the passengers if not the operator, and you know, and we actually have a really interesting thing here at lookout point out in the middle lake every almost every summer evening and sometimes in the fall and spring as well call it. The sunset fleet will form out in the middle of the lake, and they'll all just out there. And sometimes they'll actually raft together. They'll kind of, you know, tie themselves together and had this big burly moment party out there out in the middle lake where you can get a beautiful view of the sunset across the hills in the distance. So yeah, party boats ver-very popular and but ours tried to sink. So I'm working on that. That's a problem and trying to do aviation videos. I've got the Meeks feel video that I'm trying to finish. I've got the highlights from Sunday morning at air venture that I'm trying to finish and I still have all the video. I shot it at VAR husky back in the winter that I wanna put together into show off some of the things I saw there. So those are coming to my YouTube channel. Eventually, this things are now if you wanna go check it out anyways. Let's see. Now where do you find me on the internet? I it YouTube, it just about everywhere. I'm Jack Hodgson. You can almost always just put my first and last name next to each other and search, and you'll find Jack Hodgson YouTube dot com. Slash Jack Hodgson Twitter dot com. Slash Jack Hodgson search for Jack Hodgson on Amazon dot com. In the kindle book, section, Jack Hodgson dot com itself is my my home website and all of that is there. So anyways, that's me on on the internet. I think that's it. David. I think there was something you wanted to tell us. Live old bug going flying because you know, common lying is not subtracted from your life span. And that's enough talking. Let's go fly and twelve more years. Twelve more years. Twelve more years. Pepper. Thorough tower this piper to to turn on, but down with Blake Melendez over to the stick is Bergman Mahamne the think feelers stole in a bug's caught in, but pito to gauges, don't read at all. Two, two. Tower dot cannot raise the crash crew. Their coffee are cleared into the pattern, but don't fry them just circle round proceed quits while I play my. The fair. Passers.

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"Is a labyrinth of new steph. There are eight different new original movies and tv series coming out this week alone. I'm observer reporter brandon cats and i'm hollywood reporter contributor gene bentley with a host of the new. Podcast must watch netflix edition. Every week we highlighted netflix said. Oh we're excited to talk about. Sometimes we invite guests like joanna robinson from vanity fair and meghan from tv guide to chat with us about bridgeton and those steamy sex scenes where phil rosenthal from. Somebody feet fill must watch. Netflix addition is the first show from the new. Must wash nameplate from star burns audio home of great podcasts. From seals gilbert godfrey must watch nut look sedition posts new episodes every thursday. Right when you're starting to think about what to stream this weekend must watch netflix. Tradition episodes combined previews and clearly mark spoiler discussions. You can discover some new shows and go deeper and what you're already binging. Click the link in the show. Nuts follow must watch netflix. Edition on apple podcasts. Spotify or whatever podcast app. You're listening to right now.

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