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Rudy Gobert fake trades, Our biggest draft misses, NBA inspirations

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Rudy Gobert fake trades, Our biggest draft misses, NBA inspirations

"What's up open floor? Low this is Benghazi with the Washington. Post I am joined on the other line by Michael. The pod Pena of espy nation. Michael we actually have some real drama. I think to dig into on this episode Thank you to everyone. By the way for all those emails about our most overrated people coaches and everything else. We'll dig into your responses. Maybe on another episode Michael. I thought after we've Kinda went on for you. Know an hour plus heaters. We might take a step back from the overrated conversation today. Does that feel wise to you? I guess so I I we. It was a scorched earth that assode. I'm glad it happened but I'm also glad that we're moving on to be honest. I don't believe the last part. I sensed reluctance. In Your Voice. It seems to me like you want to double down on the scorching. My right now. I know I'm a humble guy. Come on Ben Okay. Good well we will try to satisfy your urges by breaking up a superstar partnership today. How's that sound can't wait. I'm sure everyone saw the report that came out from the athletic Last week there was a long detailed story about the Utah Jazz. Their response to rudy go barest positive test and just the madness in the frightening hours And passage of time you know shortly after it. It's a great read. Everyone should check it out. I think the big takeaway pull quote that people saw. I'm sure on social media. Was this idea that the relationship between Rudy Gobert and Donovan. Mitchell at this point is not believed to be salvageable according to one source now Donovan. Mitchell publicly hasn't said much about Rudy. Gobert he did confirm a good morning America interview that he was upset and that it took them a while to kind of get over the initial shock After he found out that he was positive. Of course. There's been lots of questioning of go. Bears Behavior Before we tested positive in terms of touching. All the other microphones just sort of being a little bit reckless and clearly. There's some violated trust there rudy. Gobert said in an interview Sunday with the bleacher report That they had not been talking for a while but they did talk. Recently that the relationship might not be perfect but he felt like both Donovan Mitchell And himself on the same page kind of wanting to win title up for the Jazz so to me. The way I read this is Rudy is doing his best to kind of keep this thing together. He obviously feels bad. He's publicly apologized. He's donated tons of money to corona. Irs Relief Funds. Andy's take public service address messages. He's going above and beyond here to kind of keep things together and I think. The big question is Whereas Donovan Mitchell heads at right. He's publicly on social media all the time you know. Basically he's had a month year to stand up a big time way for Rudy and accept the apology and forgive him and try to bury the hatchet and move forward and he just hasn't done it. Michael let me start by asking you this question do you. Did you think Mitchell would handle this thing differently By now of course it's an extraordinary situation. None of us knows how we would handle it if we're put that exact moment. It is understandable that he would be afraid he'd be angry he would be maybe even irate given the circumstances at just the fear factor around this disease but I guess from Your judgment of him as a person and as a you know a player Have you been surprised how they shook out a little bit? I mean it's a lot of time has passed and for their relationship to quote not be salvageable. It leads me to believe that there's more to the story obviously that we are not been privy to You know I don't even think it can be confirmed whether or not Donovan gave it to rudy or vice versa So it it just seems to me like there's there's more here Maybe there was some sort of personality conflict but long before The the pandemic in this was just kind of what what sprouted everything to the surface and allowed Donovan to feel the sort of way and publicly. Well I guess he did say that. He was a little bit irritating so publicly. Declare how unhappy. He was with his teammates. So I don't I don't know it's it. Seems like if he is still angry at this angry and Rudy's interview with bleacher report. You know he was not very convincing in trying to to quash the beef he acknowledged it as you said it leads me to believe that there's a lot it's a lot worse Then then kind of what has been publicly revealed. So far yeah. I haven't spent a ton of time around either one of these guys with my first impression of both Has Been Positive Really. Seems like a really really Nice Guy I think some people like to you know tend towards. Oh is he a little bit soft or something like that? I mean I just think he's kind of a genuine spirit and I know he's been mocked for the crying and all of that but it seems to me like a guy who wears his heart on his sleeve who plays really hard. Who understands what he's good at and has really maximized his strength on that end who's built up his career here in in the NBA. I mean if you look back where he was before he got here five years ago to where his games at now. It's a remarkable story of self improvement and commitment and I have a lot of respect for how he plays basketball And how he conducts himself given that the League and and the style of play kind of shifting beneath his feet with Donovan Mitchell to me. It's like central casting from a small market franchise player right. I mean huge smile. Great with the fans Very good with the local media You know flashy exciting game Sells lots of jerseys Hit the ground running from day one and to me has always seemed like a pretty likable and fairly low key guy. I haven't ever gotten the sense that there's some gigantic ego raging within him and so when I was trying to kind of sort through this what could be the possible tension points to me. Michael it comes actually back to basketball. I'm not so sure about Personalities they were described as being fairly friendly and in close proximity you know before the testing their lockers near each other and everything else clearly. The two all star players from that franchise I look at basketball and I'm just wondering. Is there a different way to play this thing right? Like if you imagine a scenario where Rudy Gobert is in on the Utah Jazz. And since he was their first they've been building the whole show around him right. And now you're trying to build around Donovan Mitchell to me. It would start to look a lot more like a Houston Rockets Situation Right or a Portland Trailblazers situation where you've that lead guard installed as the main guy and everyone's supporting him so that means you know versatile defender so that he can have a you know a spread court to attack That means you know lots of length on the wings a defensive line Elaine to kind of cover for him so he doesn't have to do as much work on that end and it also means the ball in his hands an awful lot you know. His is just usage rate up shot attempts trips to the free. Throw line up driving kick assists up like I feel like that's sort of the scenario of the jazz that is out there potentially in the not too distant future. If you just take kind of Rudy. Gobert off the court but I think the problem with Rudy Gobert. He's so great at certain things but there are some holes right like his offense is basically entirely dependent and it's entirely paint bound So he's in the way right number one on offense he there's no stretch whatsoever and then defensively when he gets into space we've seen him struggle with like the warriors and the rockets and the playoffs. Where he gets the happy feet guys are hitting pull mid-range jumpers over or again by going to the basket and that becomes a real challenge for them. So I think that just his presence alone such domineering figure that you. Kinda have to build your whole team around on the court and I could understand. They're kind of becoming a natural tension from a basketball standpoint where Donovan Mitchell feels like. He's ready for an organization. He's ready to have everything built around him and then maybe go. Bear isn't an ideal fit around him. If that makes sense and I know we talk about similar things with like embiid and Simmons all the time right. I think those guys get so much attention. Because they're in a bigger market and You know they're they've got some floss their games as well and you can you know they were both like top three picks so there's going to be more attention and scrutiny there but I feel like there could be a similar level of dynamic where you know it works well enough in Utah but it's also pretty easy to imagine a situation where a works better for Donovan Mitchell. And in that situation go bears not on the team. What do you think do you? Are you buying what I'm selling Michael? I get everything that you're saying and we had this conversation a little while ago. I I I kind of disagree with a little bit of it in the sense that usually when there's a star player who's ball dominant like Donovan Mitchell. And he has a teammate. Who is also a star or an all star caliber player? Usually that players skill set is going to be one that steps on his own toes. Someone who also needs the ball someone who wants to run pick and roll and play make and score and all that but really go bear. I I understand everything you're saying about. His inability to stretch and that is a little detrimental in today's League. But he's incredibly low usage ninth on the team. When the season ended he was night on the team in usage does not need the ball does not ask for. The ball does not want to post up. Or maybe he does but he doesn't have any opportunities to and he accepts that role Donovan Mitchell true. Shooting percentage this year is exactly fifty six percent whether rudy go bears on the floor or not and there's a lot of different factors that into that but if you also look at what happened. Last year Mitchell's shooting dropped below fifty percent without go bear on the floor with them so I think bear does help quite a bit just as this. Pick and roll guy who has vertical. Spacing sucks in help defenders Even when you drive to the basket and he rolls the big. His own man usually is petrified of the lob threat so layups or there and Mitchell's field goal percentage around the rim is higher with Rudy. Gobert on the floor for that reason. Usually when there's a big who can't stretch the field goal percentages lesson for guys like Donovan. But in this case it's been higher so in real quick just to add. I mean his gravity also applies to Utah shooters right because of that. Lob Threat like You know you're not you're not maybe rotating as quickly or that guy doesn't WanNa leave go bare and sometimes you're getting a better shots in the corner because go bears on the court It's a little bit counterintuitive But again like I just wonder. Another issue here is pace Now is a fantastic counterargument by you but the jazz are playing like bottom five pace in the league right now. Like if you're imagining dream situation and again this is not necessarily a team. That's GonNa win the most games right. I'm trying to kind of line. This up as the team that makes Donovan Mitchell. The happiest and the richest and the most you know the most attention and most accolades and everything else right. They're not bottom five pace team right. I mean if if you're lead guy is athletic guard who's been in the dunk contest. Who's got handle don't you? You'd play a little bit different stylistically. Maybe I real quick. I want to touch on the defensive end of the floor before I touch on that Everything that you said about Rudy Gobert not being able to switch garden space and and really you know being stuck into this one dimensional aspect where he has to drop on the pick and roll. That is worrisome for share and we saw him get sliced up. But if you talk to just about any wing defender. Who's on a team with someone who is elite at Rim protection like go bear or embiid or any of these guys? They love playing with a player like that like he is a safety net right behind them if they get beat. They're not worried he makes them look good. So just looking at it from the lens of us where we are seeing shifting league and The aesthetic that's that's that's evolving and how detrimental Rudy Gobert can be in a playoff setting. If you're a player you really from my sense of just talking guys around the league. It's really not that Pronounced that makes any sense. No look I'm not trying to bag on this guy. I think he's a great player. I mean he's a two-time player of the year for the reason For a reason what I'm saying is if your ceiling is capped out as a second round playoff team or close to it like maybe you're getting really lucky and making a conference finals It's a situation where again. Okay like. He's been a huge help to us. But we're never going to get over the hump with them. So what is the cost of losing him right like maybe we step back in the short term but can we get billed back to a level and maybe the whole thing looks different and maybe Mitchell is happy and get back to the same level that you're at currently like to me? A ritual go bears at classic player. Who raises your floor but your ceiling still kind of low on it right Little Bit of like A. Marta rose. Five Back in Toronto. And so I can understand why his teammates would love him. I understand why the organization would can't campaign form for defensive player of the year every year. I would understand That you know he's unselfish like you're mentioning and that definitely goes a long way with one of your main stars doesn't need to have the rock and isn't demanding things and is willing to do all the dirty work that's a huge plus in it's really really hard to find and I think that's why there'd be a lot of interest in Rudy Gobert around the league. If they were to make him available and trade I guess what I'm saying is I'm going back and saying is it the cleanest fit between those two guys And if not how much they lose big picture long-term if they do part with them and you have to keep in mind. So He's twenty seven Which you know. He's got plenty of good basketball. Left them I do think centers tend to age out a little bit earlier than other positions and then the big concern for me is is playoff basketball going to go even harsher and and and sharper in the direction of super versatile playwright. Thank you start to look at those clippers. Lineups that they were going to be able to put on the court in the playoffs this year. You look at what Houston was trying to do I think the Lakers were probably gonNA counter with a lot of ad and Lebron as the kind of quote unquote four or five with three wings around That's life's tougher rudy. Gobert that situation. I don't I don't know how you really get around that. Yeah I think the playoffs would concern. I I think the greater concern when we kind of look at the UTAH. Jazz team is twofold one. Is You know the Mike. Conley edition just never worked out and so that was kind of an issue for them all year long. And I don't even think we'd be having this discussion. If my Conley seamlessly blended in and he played at his borderline all star level next to Donovan next to Bogdanovich in next to rudy. So can I ask you a question on that she do you? Think the transition from mark assaults or Rudy Gobert. Obviously very different style players particularly with the stretch was that a factor holding commonly back. Or did he just fall? You think or boat. Yeah No. That's a really good point. I think most of it seems to be age related and just speaking as optimistically as possible. A little fluky like he's missing really tough floaters that he used to make and not finishing around the rim ways that he used to but it also take my doesn't look like he just forgot to put his context and sometime or like. You got the wrong prescription. Like he picked up his wife's prescription at the optometrist. And that's honestly that was like the best explanation. I could come up for for his finishing this year. Yeah And then yeah that's a. Yes. That is a great explanation. He needs glasses. This is why I'm a shooting coach. Michael This right here. Yes you're the best And then I think like just Kinda you first of all because salt is really interesting and I. I don't know you'd have to ask. I don't know if he's spoken about this anyway. I have not read but that is. That's a really interesting thing. And then the other concern that I would have if I were the Utah Jazz about radio. Bears is financially related. So obviously you're a small market organization. Every dollar counts and You know this guy is going to be supermax eligible. I think in the fall. So you know you were kind of running into a situation where you could upset him because maybe he thinks that you know. He's coming off an all star season. He's entering his prime or smack. Dab in the middle of his prime and he wants what he has earned which is a supermax contract. And if they're not willing to give it to them which I think they would be foolish to give him that. Maybe he gets. You know a little muffed by with the organization and then that leads to different kinds of issues down the line so they might just be able to avoid that altogether here and kind of hide it behind the pandemic and all of the fallout from Matt and his relationship with Donovan Mitchell. So that could be a low key blessing in disguise for the Utah Jazz. Not TO BE CRASS ABOUT IT. But that's just that's just how it would be. No I hear you. I mean he's GonNa come to get paid in twenty twenty one. He'll be like I think. Twenty eight years old at that point so that con contract is probably gonNA run for years. So now you're carrying him. Well past his thirtieth birthday and like I was mentioning. I think the value of any individual center at this point is a little bit less than usual. But you've already kind of had it proven to you that your guy is going to really have a hard time getting over the Hump. You're not really paying for you. Know a number one number two guy on a title team and then you're basically locking in that salary as the biggest number alongside Donovan Mitchell. Who's going to be locking in AMAC's rookie extension here on a similar timeline? You're going to be in a pretty tough cap spot. Going forward right. That's pretty much guys. You really have to believe in that duo and I just think that there's no doubt to me. Really Obama has been their most important piece for the last five years. No question but I'm looking forward to the next five years. I would say the exact same thing about Donovan Mitchell. It's just two ships passing. This is going to be his organization. And that's why if I was the jazz. I don't say this lightly. I put a lot of time thinking into it over the last month. This is not about punishing Ruko bear for the positive test for the corona virus right. It's not about necessarily even appeasing Donovan Mitchell and saying okay. Man Here's the car. Keys for your franchise. It's more about just realizing that like there could be an underlying tension here that lingers and if so that's going to be obsolete poison for everything you're trying to do and even if not you're going to be in a situation where I I'm personally not convinced that there an ideal basketball fit for where the game is going here. The next five years and they're going to be really expensive so now you have to start making some difficult decisions. Michael just real quick answer in one sentence or less if you had to pick for the future to keep one Mitchell or Gobert who pick Mitchell. Yeah no doubt about it and not close right so if you're in that situation you should be exploring trade options. I think and look I hate to be the guy who goes back to history. It's not a perfect analogy but jazz fans will remember the simmering tension between Darren Williams and Jerry. Sloan for years right it was just kinda like nipping and nipping and just slowly gets worse. Slowly gets worse and the jazz never picked a side on that one right. They weren't like. Oh we're going to jettison Darren Williams so we can stick with Sloan's philosophy or they weren't like okay you know it's time to forget the Stockton. Glory days in and kind of urge slowing offstage laughed and kind of turn things over to a more modern. Mba and build. Everything around Darren Williams. They basically paralyze never made a decision and it wound up completely blowing up in their face. Sloan abruptly retires during the middle of the season unthinkable act for a competitor guy who was around and consistent as long as him and two weeks later they trade Darren Williams under duress basically to the Brooklyn Nets and in four of the next five seasons. they're not in the playoffs for a team. That was basically you know a playoff mainstay for decades. So that can just tell you the downside if you sit and wait and you sort of have a clear course for where you WanNa go on how you want to handle things and you just try to keep things right even if it's a difficult situation so I'm not predicting fistfights between Donovan Mitchell and Rudy. Gobert practice not in the slightest. But I do think that you need to be honest. If tensions aren't great You need to be straightforward about that like you you you need to handle it and clearly in this scenario you would pick Mitchell If you could so Michael. This brings us to the big KHUDA here. All right We've laid out the case for how Utah could potentially move for without Rudy Gobert. And again I want to be crystal clear. I think they take a step back without him. In the short term it would probably take a year or two for them to sort of retool things after a potential trade here but I do think in the long term best interests of Mitchell. And maybe having a more exciting franchise and maybe they've ever had frankly. I mean Utah's been kind of synonymous with like methodical and workmanlike. Not exactly high flying and super exciting right. I think there could be a brighter. Future out there for them but to get there we need Michael. The pod Pena's top-three Rudy Gobert fake shades and Michael Anderson. And you put seventy two hours into this. Is that righteous diligent around the clock research to come up with the very best three fake rudy. Gobert trade ideas that are out there. At least seventy two hours but at least. I have nothing going on here so when you sent this exercise to me. I was chomping at the bit. Yes that's what I love to hear. Give me your best way right off the top. What's your okay. I'm going to save my favorite for last the first one though. I think you'll like the most because just all the concerns that you seem to have with Gobert Beside Mitchell I think it alleviated here so the first one and you know for everyone who is all the captains out there at the the salaries are basically Equitable and everything basically works. But this is just the kind of the rough stitching here. So in this deal. It is with the Indiana Pacers. The Pacers get bear the Utah Jazz get miles Turner and Doug McDermott. I love it. I've actually was looking at and circled miles. Turner as a potential replacement target. So if you're Utah the ideas you're going to go a little bit younger. You're going to go. Maybe a slightly more athletic and versatile inside. But you're going to still stick with the center who doesn't need the ball. Who's not going to be? You know like a real lead offensive option. You know it's not someone you necessarily have to cater to. You're getting an important shooter which I think is crucial Around Mitchell I mean. Obviously you won't have as much space as possible and sort of this idealized version of the future Mitchell and then You know I think we should mention Zach. Lowe had a really nice thing on Doug McDermott Dermot today. On his Luke Walton all-stars call. People should go check that out from the Pacers side. I guess that's where the question is. I think the Pacers fans would would put their hands up. Michael and they'd say do we have enough spacing. If our four five is so bonus go bare. Does that wind up conflicting or does he give them just like an awesome interior? Defensive Duo keep one of those guys on the court at all times and their goal isn't to win title every year anyways they basically just want to lose in the first round hopefully in five games. That's that seems to be their organizational mission and go bear would help them with that right. Yeah I mean if you're kind of looking at it from the Pacers point of view it's it's the offensive fit as you alluded to with SA- bonus is very questionable. But the way I see it. You know the Indiana Pacers are a team. That's never really fallen in line with the guidelines. Put in place by analytics. Anyway you know. They've granted miles. Turner has more stretched than Rudy go bare. So that's that allows you to play or it makes it a little more Accessible to play those two at the same time Turner INSA bonus but at the end of the day like I. I just don't think this organization would back away from the opportunity to upgrade so dramatically at that position. Because I mean I personally think that Rudy bears just so much better than miles turner and what it would do to their defense. It would just turn it into an absolute bear. And I think nate McMillan with love it when I know real quick two points to follow up on that briefly I I love how the Pacers and Kevin Pritchard have kind of become the the organization that just like rejects coastal. Basically like. He's just lean all the way into being the captain of the heartland and it's like if they're out there trying to make these super versatile lineups in focus on offense and scoring. We're going to be the defensive minded Greiner team like if they're out there chasing superstars you know we're going to be just signing like the TJ wards of the world and calling it a day right like it's like whatever the best practices they go the other way and it works for them they make it work and I think it really helps. They don't necessarily feel like the big time championship expectations in that market. They just have You know an expectation of of respectability there. And they've done an excellent job of fulfilling that here over the years now second point there's too much negativity about Gobert on twitter No surprise there but I do feel like well you were just describing how. He's a big upgrade over Turner. Like everyone looks at Gobert. And they're going to try to write them off as this guy who doesn't fit anywhere and like teams aren't GonNa want him and like big contract legitimately guy where if you pencil and into the Pacers. You're feeling pretty good about a run at like the four seed right. I mean are you least feel like you're in the mix there. Oh Yeah and if you put them on any of these lottery teams in the Eastern Conference. Aren't those teams sort of like instantly into that bubble conversation like whether they were there previously or not like I'm not saying he's a top five game changing level guy but if your defense really sucks go bare we'll have a major impact like immediately and it will help your team especially you know in in the weaker conference Just perform differently. Like I kept trying to picture. Go Bear on the Chicago. Bulls like go bear on the New York Knicks and like personally. I feel bad for him right like it's can you? Is he going to be able to keep his mentality in a spirit of I mean there's a lot of good culture stuff going on there in Utah right but I do think that there would be a transformative impacted terms of the respectability of their Defense And that's why like that Indiana that you came up with. Yeah I mean before I when I sat down to kind of do this. I was looking at all the teams that would just straight up want or need someone like redick bear and there's a lot of really good teams out there. That are just aren't in a position to trade for him And so it was just kind of not realistic. Like I think even with how the Houston Rockets season has turned out. I don't think that they would be like now. We don't want Rudy Gobert. The Boston Celtics would not say. Thanks but no thanks. The Los Angeles Clippers can use a big the Dallas Mavericks Music. So there's good teams out there that want him they just it just you know formulating an actual trade is too difficult so and also they might like them in theory but your point about the salary was right on. Do they like him enough to to make him a core piece of like you know a big tour big three going forward for the Celtics? I mean there's already a lot of credit card bills coming. You Know Jake Brown Jason Tatum Kemba Walker like it makes sense that they would want rudy. Gobert everybody's trying to fill whole at center. Are you going to want rudy? Gobert on AMAC's number right now and one hundred percent two years and there's no way to do it we're some of the good teams you thought could actually fit for him because I was having the same thing. The only one I kind of came up with was like Toronto. Where maybe he's the heir to mark and surge there and like they try to find a way to spin that forward I mean ye but even with Toronto like I think that would be a mega financial concern. Because that's an organization that wants to be honest so like if they just paid Siaka and they're going to have to pay Fred Benfleet most likely so like. Yeah where are you going to pay your money? How are you going to allocate those resources? Toronto on-court yeah sure that's wonderful fits great I agree with what you said about him. Filling the air there but You Know Financially. That's where it just gets so tricky great point so we are looking at sort of second tier teams or below in terms of your your your trades. Is that right pretty much? Yeah lines up with WHO? He would help the most to you know as we're going back to like what's your ceiling team with him. I think it makes more sense for him to be a floor razor on a team. That's not as good. So what is your number two? Fake trade okay. This is for your favorite team. You're going to absolutely love this boy twin towers of Rudy Gobert. De'andre is that what I'm spilling down here now. No I'M NOT. I'm not a fool This is Utah and the Brooklyn Nets. Oh Okay and so the package that Utah would get. It's built around Jared Allen and Kerris Liberte and for right now has a poisoned pill situation with his contract so this would have to be done after this year. Officially ends in next contract kicks in but beyond that the money. I'm pretty sure works good enough and you may have to be like some small pieces thrown in here and there to have it fit. But what are your thoughts? Just right off. The Bat Brooklyn Gets Rudy. Gobert UTAH GETS JARED ALLEN AND CARSL AVERT. Two thoughts are number one we had A. I think instagram user or an open for globe members. Send me this exact idea Michael so I wanNA give him credit for like being ahead of the curve on it amazing vision by you. I really wish I had your name. I'm sorry about that but I'm sure you know who you are point number two okay so does Rudy. Gobert play power forward next De'andre Jordan. Or does he come off the bench behind the Entree. Jordan Howard. So as I'm kind of rationalizing this one the first sentence that I wrote here in my little Google doc is Here's a fact. The Nets aren't going to win a championship with the Andre Jordan as their starting center. It's an impossibility so deandre. Jordan is either coming off the bench or something happens. Where Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant or convinced by Brooklyn Management agents? Whoever that Andre is just not what they want right now at this point in their career. Yeah the thing is I just. Don't see those guys turning on De'andre fortunately and the way the season played out like protecting his minutes and all that stuff was such a bad. Look it makes me a little bit nervous. That would be my big hangup because if you're bringing in Go Bare your big three asset. You're spending power as describing his basically I. I don't know about any pre existing relationships between those guys. I already worry about clicks in And that's with the q not Patriot. in Brooklyn With Katie Kyri. I would honestly feel a tremendous amount of sympathy and just kind of pity for Rudy. Gobert if he got traded to that environment. 'cause I just don't know how well that would work kind of From a culture standpoint At from a locker room standpoint because I do think that he's GonNa sort of be facing some relatively unfair or completely unfair stigma coming of the situation and I just think that could be a difficult environment to kind of get through with that Basketball Wise. I love the Fed. Somebody has to play defense. Somebody up for Kyrie Irving Katie is going to become an office serious injury and you don't want him going hard defensively as he did during his prime years three years ago. So you know to me. I think it's a it's a really nice fit their jared Allen would be A decent piece going back I. I'm not sure I would be in love with that piece if I was Utah. In terms of trying to get towards the The more Mitchell version of that team that I was describing earlier. But he certainly valuable affordable playing above his production level and capable of handling real minutes for them I guess it comes down to how much you love. Lavar for this trade. If you're the jazz right and I mean personally. Seeing him up close win healthy I mean. He should have been an all-star last year like he's a very very good basketball player. He's Super Young. He's on a contract. If I'm Utah I get care sliver. Well let me. First start with Jared Allen because I think I might be a little higher on. Jared than you are You know Seeing him more before every game like he's someone who has the aspiration and the touch of being someone who can knock down a corner three someday very soon and that's like way more valuable offensively than Some of the things that really go cannot do so. I think that just in terms of fit in age and again Leeann perfect. If both carrots liver and Jared Allen went to Utah and then just immediately blew up big time players after the way this Brooklyn. That situation has got Would be so funny Could curiously vert and Donovan Mitchell. Be a poor man's version of Hardin and Westbrook. Is that possible the way I see it actually is a physically larger version of CJ mccollum Damian Lillard. Oh it's kind of a little stockier. Is that what you're trying to say? Yeah I mean when I look at Donovan. He's the heir apparent in my eyes to today in terms of checking all the boxes of a small market superstar and you kind of laid out all the reasons and all the qualifications for what that type of player is but you add. Carris who I think. Cj mccollum is really good and you know one of the better appear scorers in the league very creative but like Kerris. Lavar has the size To I think. Be a more impactful. Two Way Player in a playoff setting and he's also super herky-jerky creative getting shot up just about any time. He wants so when he if he were to stay healthy beside Donovan and kind of accept the role of. I'm the I'm Kinda like the one way or the one Bahir that could be an incredibly potent offense and I mean he have boy on Bogdonovich. Is your third option. That's just a really really difficult team to defend particularly in the system that Quin Snyder has has has instituted there okay. We're going to do a little mental journey here. Michael I want you to chant at your name is cuyler Tyler Okay and you made your own personal fortune as a private ski instructor at Vail and then you know after you kind of settled down you became you found that a very lucrative. Cpa firm in suburban Salt Lake City. And you've been a UTAH. Jazz season ticket holder now going on your thirteenth season and your ticket rep calls you and says hey we're just hoping that you're gonNA come back in Corona virus thing as pass. We're trying to lock you in for you know your your next year. We've got carousel avert Donovan. Mitchell as part of an explosive backward. Or guess what? We're running back that angel duo of Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert and we're going forward again this year. Which one gets you more excited? More likely to whip out that credit card and give the money to the to the Utah Jazz. I mean I'm more excited by the unknown. I think so if I am this hypothetical fictional character. You are if you are okay. Okay I would go with. I would go with cares lavar. And and give me a little jared Allen. Let him you know. He's a very interesting personality. I'm excited about that. I honestly have. Yeah I mean if you're starting lineup. Is Mitchell La Vert Bo? Yang ingles and Alan. I'm not sure I don't know if I would actually put that under the headline squad goals but it squad goals adjacent i. That's kind of a team rife. It's good I honestly think that that's a top five offense in the NBA. Assuming the Donovan Mitchell takes step forward assuming kessle avert stays healthy and continues to develop. That's a really difficult team to defend. Man You're and I put my Washington Post newsletter. If you guys WanNa read my whole exploration of the Rudy Gobert Trade options and so forth. go ahead and really the the logic behind why you might trade him. Check that out but I did make the comparison to Damian Lillard at CJ mccollum for the Utah Jazz. Where you don't WANNA design this entire thing about what the fans want to watch right but if you're not a championship contender and you can get back to that same level in a different version and maybe it is a little bit more fun and Exciting Brand Bass by more modern brand of basketball. There's real benefits to that. That's a real virtue like you look at the Blazers. Retooling firm Lillard and Aldridge. It's a good pairing not a perfect pairing and then you retool to Lillard mccollum and spread around those guys you know. They've got some incredibly indelible moments from Postseason victories some crazy high scoring explosions. And I think when you're a small market team that you know really solidifies the bond between your organization and the fan base that excitement factor that love factor and the personality factor. So I can get behind it. I don't know I didn't know I was speaking to the vice president of the Charissa Virk Fan Club. I didn't I didn't quite know that going in Michael but he's good. I'm not hating on them. I just I like a lot clearly but I think there's something to this idea as well and so I'm actually going to give you big time. Praise for both your fake trades. I came on here wanting to rip them apart. As always your hitting it out of the park now. I'm nervous because you said you said you were gonNA save your favorite for last. What is it so I just love trades like this? They're basically one for one swops where the players have nothing in common. They're they're kind of like inversions of each other and it makes me think football fans out there. The I forget what year it was but when Champ Bailey was traded for Clinton portis. It's like a running back for a quarterback. Both are really good but they just like. You're not really replacing the other one getting In making the transaction just kind of like elevating a separate part of your your team and your team's ability so here's the Trade Sacramento Kings. Get READY GO BEAR and the Utah Jazz. Get Buddy healed straight up you amazing brain. I hey buddy here. That's the problem like I actually used. That were hate. I don't hate buddy. He'll I just do not like his game in any way and this is hilarious. I feel like this. Big Trade is the perfect counter argument to literally everything that I've been saying because I think if you put Donovan Mitchell and Buddy heal together. That's like a seventeen seventeen. I think he'll drag on that. I am A. I'm exaggerating first of all a team. Like Sacramento is exactly who should be trying to pry Rudy Gobert out of Utah Right now? Classic situation were desperate to raise. The floor would just need one playoff appearance so that Viva can say. He's a good owner. Even though everybody knows he's not like a perfect destination for Rudy Gobert. I guess my question though it. Can they put together a slightly more enticing package than buddy? He'll I just think buddy heels a losing player Michael Flat Out. No no no no come on man why do you what do you have against buddy his entire career the fact that he lied about his age coming into the drab? Call Michael if you can't even thought the forms okay. So I mean last year. He was a catalyst on one of the more pleasant surprises in the entire league. fit into that system incredibly. Well I mean you're talking about wanting the Utah jazz to play a lot faster like there's no one better for up and down tempo team then but healed. You can't use the word Cadillac with buddy. He'll do we say that a car that's like pulled over to the side of the road. Sputtering with with like flat tires has been catalyze. We don't use that. I mean he had one of the best shooting seasons in NBA history last year. Ben and I I know he did. I know yeah yeah. He's very good three point shooter. Shootout champion defending champion He is right. Did I just make that up? I'm pretty sure he wanted the all star weekend. Feels like a thousand years ago. Just said that off the top of my head but I'm pretty sure he wanted to but I hate to break it to you. Get Zero points for taking on the three point contest title but He's an incredible shooter. He would be better playing around talent. We can agree on that right. I think that he is sort of like to me. He's like the archetype of a guy. Where'd he goes to a bad market and just dies right or his impact is not shown? Because I don't think that he was in a situation like coming in where he was going to be able to define a winning environment. I just don't think he has leadership personality. The money hands thing kills me. I know it was a joke but I think it is Kinda representative of who he is as a guy where he's not thinking about the team as early and then environment he's thinking about himself doesn't play defense. I don't think he's a very good passer. I don't think I don't think he's the most High Iq kind of manipulator of the game if that makes sense where. I think that there's a few things on the court. He does very very well. And then there's enough things that he doesn't do well that like it winds up just basically being awash like almost every night I feel like he just cancelled himself out like he just he locks himself up you know in terms of his impact and he goes home. And what do you know? The kings just lost again now. I hear that it's just like sometimes when you take someone first of all like it's the Sacramento Kings. Let's be clear so I can't blame any one individual for except for the owner For they're just general Malays over the past however many years so I feel like if you take buddy who. He did play for a different team earlier in his career but has spent the the glut of his prime in Sacramento if he were in Utah if he were next Donovan Mitchell in a completely different culture granted they will not have rudy. Gobert anymore so they will have to play a completely different style of basketball. And they're not getting centreback in this trade so they're going to have to use an exception to kind of pick somebody up off the scrap heap and their defense is just. GonNa it's GonNa. It's GONNA go down for sure but when I look at them offensively and what can happen here. I I love love. Buddy healed is. He excels off the ball. He just scrambles around sprints the baseline never gets tired. That's going to be great for none of Mitchell that super complimentary spaces the floor does not need touches in the same way that even someone like Harris Liver would So I just think that there's a a long term Sign of prosperity with those two together. I think the synergy can be really nice on the other side of it For Sacramento's case as you said documentaries case it's a no brainer and that's my biggest problem with this. There's no way Vlada makes good of trade. Michael Whoa well so okay so like when I look at it for for Sacrimento Lake you have deer and Foxes Marvin Bagley right so you kind of laid out the case for why. Donovan Mitchell would not be happy with go. Bears his starting center. Well what does this do and Fox? I mean I'm a little higher on it. I think that he would be a really good pick and roll partner who would he would share solidify the defense which is a little bit of an issue. But there's not it's not like a it is a no brainer. I guess to to make a transaction like this particularly because buddy healed is so unhappy and you're going to be Re-signing presumably bugged on Bogdonovich this summer and so What kind of sparked the idea here is that they're not gonNA keep Fox Bogdonovich and but he healed one of those three is going to have to go and it's going to be. Bunny hills so I think that there could be some sort of chemistry issue there and then you know throwing Marvin Bagley into the mix who basically missed this entire season with injury like I don't know what the fit is there. He's not like a huge stretch. Big so I hear you on that but look I mean. This is the most winning player they've had since before the cousins era right like I mean we're just saying like it was the most valuable guy you're going. Oh it's true. Yeah now yeah. You're going back more than ten years to find a guy so you can figure out the fit stuff regardless I mean. They need the kind of a foundation piece for a really long time. I definitely don't think you're at the stage of Marvin Bagley career where you're turning down big time proven talent to work around him No disrespect to him. He's got to stay healthy and stay on the court. I mean you could sort that stuff out later here you for sure on the fit with the Fox and primarily the this idea of like. How fast should the kings be playing to right? Because you'RE GONNA probably slow it down if you have go. Bear is data clash right It's another thing to work but look they've got a million questions to work there. I didn't really understand this team at all this year. I don't think they lose anything. If they trade Healed so I would want that package. Sweetened I if I was Utah before I did that deal but another fascinating one and again to underscore. I think teams like the Sacramento. Kings are exactly the type of team should trade for go bare. Because he's just a floor razor. Hey guys what's up? This is Ben Golfer with sports. 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It's also an industry that affects millions of people from athletes to Stadium Workers. The sports community continues to be impacted. And we're here to help you understand each story. Subscribe now Corona Virus and sports on Apple. Podcasts spotify stitcher on wherever you listen to shows are Michael. I think we beat this topic into the ground. It's so nice sometimes to be able to really dig in deep on stuff. We probably wouldn't talk to that length here during the shutdown but there you have it every Utah Jazz Fan. Who's emailed me over the last four years saying you don't talk about our team. We just broke up your superstar duo unfortunately but at least we gave you a lot of airtime Mike. We got a really fun question here and we only have time for a couple today but this one comes in from Dave in New Zealand and he emailed open floor mail at gmail.com open floor mail at Jima Dot Com and. He writes listening to you guys today. You were talking about the double nickel game Michael Jordan versus the New New York Knicks. What baffled me was that after watching the game you guys didn't give enough love to Patrick Ewing. He was incredible down the stretch. But all you were talking about was Michael this Michael that this got me thinking back when tatum was a rookie. I recall you guys labeled him. Twelve time tatum. Making Fun of the fact that the Boston Celtics media thought he was going to be such an incredible all star for his entire career. Only the next season comes around. You guys conveniently forget your premature label when he was having the Post Rookie Year Blues. Do you guys just see what you want? You get your predictions of greatness wrong or right. I think you guys need to keep it real. And layout some of your best predictions you've come to fruition and your worst predictions that have blown up in your face. So Michael I think with the TATUM THING. The twelve time tatum. First of all we were tongue-in-cheek mocking the level. Of over the top hype. That was building around Tatum at Summer League when he didn't really have that great of a Summer League Now certainly we gave them credit for one time. I think I was one of the first people. Say he had to be an all star this year. Not exactly like an outrageous. Take for me but I said a pretty early Is he going to be able to get to twelve in the Eastern Conference Scher? I think there should be a probably some sort of a mathematical formula. Twelve time in the east is probably equivalent to maybe four time in the West I'm sure there are some sort of a ratio like currency exchange rate that we could come up with But no guy's been great and he's just been a fun. You know podcast Muse I would say for the last three or four years. I'm not saying I got that one wrong but Michael. I am ready to admit a few mistakes that I made along the way I did. You have any that you want to get off your chest or anything you WANNA take a victory laps for real quick and we don't need the full rundown but just maybe Quick hitters. Yeah now I mean I get because I don't really watch too much college basketball and all the international guys I I know absolutely nothing about heading into the draft every year. I'M GONNA go with one recent draft where I with so terribly on one prospect and I feel like I hit on another who was. I think had lower expectations across the board than the ones. I was placing on shoulders. So the first prospect who I just completely completely missed on Was Dennis Smith junior who I wrote a now. I should preface by saying I wanted. I have like a I guess. My pinky is hanging onto the the handlebars of the bandwagon. Right now with him Because he's been he hasn't found the right situation. I think a lot of basketballs opportunity but are your other forefingers. Hang on to your passport. Because you're GONNA need to go to China if you believe in this guy. Come on now a shutout Dennis Junior. I wrote at the time I wrote this reported feature about about him and how I thought he was going to be the next Russell Westbrook and his athleticism was off the charts and all he needed was to figure out how to hit a pull up three and I was talking to all these people who were in the gym with them throughout the summer and And the offseason preparing for the draft and how his shot was different. Look Great and yeah. I was bamboozled on that one The player in that draft who I I wrote a column about basically pleading for the Boston Celtics to take him with the third overall. Pick And I'm Kinda glad they didn't is Jonathan Isaac and with Isaac basically you know I wrote at the time that I thought he would be a perennial defensive player of the year candidate. I thought he was someone. Who if you were the celtics and if you wanted to take down Yanez eventually you're going to need someone like that with that body in those instincts who could hang with them in single coverage and and and beast him as best as possible and Jonathan Isaac? Has You know from defending Pascal Siaka in the first round of last year's playoffs to just everything he did this year before suffering a serious knee injury for Orlando. He looked like someone who's going to be a lock to get on the defensive team. So I- Pat Myself on the shoulder with that one a little bit now. Granted he was projected to be a lottery. Pick so it wasn't out of this war at like out of this out of the world a pie in the sky optimism on my part but I thought he was going to be really good and I had my eye on him just because of the physical tools and so I'm GonNa get myself a little bit of credit for that one awesome. I love it. I run through quickly. I mean first of all Dave the biggest one for me is Kevin Durant and I started. My whole career. Probably wouldn't even been writing. If I had been arguing for Greg Oden over Kevin Durant so I'm going to take that as my all time. Biggest Win Lifelong Achievement Award With that said there's been some other misses in the draft. I was trying to think. Is there anything like in particular that ties? The guys who I've I've been like higher on reality has turned out. I was really in on Andrew Wiggins and I was really an unbend macklemore to do you remember the hype around Ben Mc more when he was coming out because he was like super young athletically gifted Kansas seemed like he had that natural scoring ability. I mean obviously has the best name in the world. I name So it was one of those situations where like You know I missed on those two guys for similar reasons And it's it's difficult to kind of course correct against that but I just think both of them you know wound up being a lesson like looking for guys who are just like absolute just crazy. Hungary dogs you know when when can I can? I ask quick. Where where you high on Josh Jackson? We're just GONNA make the the University of Kansas traffic here. No I mean. Josh Jackson had so many red flags I was way out on. Jack's also older at that point which I think you know like the red flags stuff actually matter to me when you're younger you're like red flags who cares when you're older. You're just like out there. Searching for Red Flags I Chinese Communist Party meeting but as soon as he went as soon as you went to Phoenix. It was like all right. This guy's career is over and you know retroactively. It's been great to just bet against every Phoenix Suns draft pick as. It works out nine times out of ten in terms of like other kind of. Wins non-draft related? I'll just say a couple of quickly are to call him like months before. Anthony Davis Public trade requests where I was sort of like running through the intricate reasons why I thought that he and Lebron would be a good pairing. Obviously there was a lot of pretty you know surface level like very very obvious reasons why that group would work but I kind of went into a lot of detail about like what this opportunity would mean for him etc etc and watching it. Play out this season. There was a number of moments where I was like man like. I thought this was going to be a home. Run for this guy and this is actually like better than a home like you could just see with his body language towards Lebron kind of like the the older brother little brother relationship that they develop so I think that was one that I've always felt You know pretty good like I nailed but my biggest prediction. That was like exactly right. You remember the Kyri Isaiah. Thomas Trade We had to do like do I? Yes I do. We fake kyrie trades For SL on a round table and I nailed it precisely. I said Isaiah Thomas crowder in a pick and when it went up of course I got all sorts of outraged responses. Oh that sounds crazy and then it actually happened so I had to be the guy to like really like Wave the Kobe Altman flag. It'd be like this guy nailed it. Perfect like what more could you have one? And this is great because I just said the same thing like three weeks previously. So it's possible that he got the idea for that trade from the table. I'm not taking credit for it but that was one of my bigger hits any other memorable misses that have haunted you. Oh another one from misty appoint. I never bought the raptors last year down to like the bitter end and there was absolutely a Lotta rationalizing going on up there in Toronto. When I'm watching those games thinking Oh my God. These guys are really about to do this. And you know all tip my hat all the Toronto Termites. I wrote like a lip service piece about the raptors heading into the playoffs where it was just like all right. I got to cover my bases in like pretend that this has a chance. I'm watching the four balancers. Go in against Phil in. I'm like Oh my God. Of course I'M WATCHING MILWAUKEE. Get Out to the two zero lead. They're not even playing that well and that's serious. I'm like thankfully honest. GonNa Take Care of these guys. And what do you know? It went completely the other direction. Katie never really gets back on the court to solve things and I just kind of had to eat that one all the way so that was obviously their their day in court against me after five years of bullying or whatever you WanNa call it so congratulations to raptors fans but that was certainly another high profile miss that I will own publicly for our Guy Dave Michael any other big losses or wins that you want to tout here real quick. I mean honestly. There's too many to count if I start then. We'll continue recording for the next seven hours I will just say a real quick anecdote like Before the MOGAMBO draft so. I guess that was Luca. Trae young and all those guys A really smart talent evaluator. I remember him telling me Who works for a a well respected organization in the NBA told me that Mogambo was going to be the best player in that draft. He was going to be a perennial defensive player of the year. His body was like nothing that he had ever seen the love the wingspan it was perfect for the NBA was going Had some touch on the outside jumper. Just he was drooling over this guy. And as we've seen no MOGAMBO IS I. It's too early to completely write him off and I think he showed some flashes in different areas of his game this year that he didn't as a rookie when he was hurt. But he's not transcendent force by any stretch so far and he has a long way to go before he's even someone who can started his own position so I just think it's like when it comes down to it. No one knows anything when it comes to the draft when it comes to because this is a lot smarter than me when when it comes Italian evaluation and everything like that so just keep in. Mind if you're wrong about something. Nba related. That's a good thing. That is why we're so fascinated fascinated by it and why it is such a tantalum tantalizing product for us all to consume so. Who'S MOBA? Just kidding I actually like Obama coming into I thought okay. Maybe he can be in this like better than just the diver role because he could space out and shoot it a little bit and like you don't want him to shoot a ton but hey if you can hop out to the corner and just stay out of the way and then block a bunch of shots on defense. That's pretty interesting player The body stuff just hasn't worked out. I don't want to push back slightly or maybe just clarify. I think that we do actually know things I think. Studying about. The prospects can actually really help and the people who are professionals. Definitely do better than the armchair people I think though that nobody can ever get perfect right so it's like you're just trying to. It's sort of like gambling and I don't gamble but so why here you're just trying to get that little edge puts you above The House right. You're just trying to get to like fifty four fifty five fifty six percent. I feel like that's kind of how it is with the draft to right. You're never even gonNA come close to hitting one hundred percent. You're probably not going to even hit seventy five percent right. But can you hit three percent or five percent better than the competition? And if you do that enough It should pay off and with Ross rebuilding and everything else Couple couple more here to close Michael Joshua Rights as a longtime dedicate a listener. I can't thank you enough for keeping the podcast basketball topics rolling through this crazy time. I'm an administrator at a middle school and nothing sadder than walking into work each day hearing the ring of students and staff voices only to realize that they're coming from my mind as I sit in my office alone day in and day out being able to turn on. Your podcast is a friendly island in an ocean of professional loneliness and Dejection Joshua man first of all. Thanks for keeping it real and just being open and honest about your situation. That one hits Michael. I don't know about you but I am talking to myself at all. Time record level highs during the corona virus crisis. You know if I'm going on my little nature walks. I'm not using multiple voices to debate with myself but certainly I get what he's saying right. It's like every once in a while you just catch yourself having a conversation or You know in realizing that you know there aren't other people there and I. It happened sometimes. Joshua I'm with you man The kids will be back in school. It's just a matter of when not if and that day is GonNa feel so so good so just hanging there. Michael do you have any similar. Psychotic BREAKS. You'd like to share if I started talking to myself. I'm pretty sure my wife would call the authorities PRONTO. So that's not been my problem but I mean right now today as we record this. It's it's like a torrential downpour in New York City and even wanting to I haven't been outside and quite a bit but if I wanted to go for a little bit of a stroll put on my mask but on my gloves Listen to a podcast. I can't even to that today because It is just pouring outside so a staying indoors. it's been just you know where on like week. Wet like four or five. It feels like a month seventeen. Might as well be so. It's we're all getting a little bit. Stir crazy so. I feel free a jesuit. I feel like you and Joshua after this podcast are over. You guys are going to like link-up and then maybe gone. I G live stream a little Daito together. Tears grown cold. I'm wondering why that Song like you know that eminem sampled. I feel like you're in that mood. He's in that mood even beautiful voice. Ben Yeah Professional Singer Book said that last one and this is going to be a little bit more optimistic all right Kyle from Melbourne writes dear Ben and the pod. Hope this email finds you will in recent weeks your podcast giving me comfort in moments of real uncertainty and I truly appreciate you both soldiering on I wanted to explore. In what parts of everyday life does basketball help inspire all of us personally? I only need to look at my Home Office to see how the NBA inspires me. I am currently studying to be a psychologist in Melbourne. And in my final grueling year of masters it is a year of long hours at my desk and a thesis that I find myself wanting to burn above my desk within Ireland. I have two pictures. The first of the Black Mamba Himself Kobe's pictured off the dribble staring at presumably terrified defender. I love this picture. I got it when I was very young and cherished it for years it sits in reminder now more than ever of the power of hard work and the need for nothing less than pure devotion to mastering your craft. Whether it be therapy or basketball it makes me want to be the best at what I do and it inspires me to be great one day. The second photo is Vince Carter. Vince is midway through his iconic between the legs dunk from the two thousand all star weekend. And it's a tremendous photo. It's a moment that is truly awe inspiring but what inspires me most about. Vince is not this basket but the grind that he has displayed over the last four decades of basketball. I do not see any greater achievement than reaching the apex of your field and then having the courage to allow others to pass you by with a willingness to take on a new rule that allows you to contribute in new ways. I too hope one day that I will age like Vince Carter. I would love to hear how basketball inspires you guys in other parts of Your Life. I legitimately believed the NBA and its role models are going to make me a better psychologist. And I'm sure I'm not alone. Michael that's brilliant email on us. We could probably do an entire podcast about this email. And maybe we will sometime. But gimme maybe just your number one basketball inspiration. If you have one the maybe the first name that you think of when you hear an email like that and do you relate to what he's saying. I think a younger version of myself related to everything he saying for sure and I don't want to diminish cows question at all because I think it's really important for people particularly young people to see NBA players as sources of inspiration in their everyday lives. I mean these guys have overcome countless obstacles to get where they are and They're just so many incredible stories out there so In addition to having to awesome photos Up At your desk this is a really really a great email to close at For me personally like honestly the closest I come. Maybe it's because I talk to these guys the players quite often and it's just it's a part of my professional life more than it's ever been but let me step in and save you. You can't exactly idolizes guy. You're right now right now. It's a slightly different relationship. Kyle from what you're describing. Because like with Vince Carter. He can mean a lot to you and he can mean a lots of Michael but if the relationship is like I dream of being like you because if you're long jeopardy and now I have to objectively write a story about how well you're performing at age forty is really difficult to square that and so you mentally you just have to kind of remove from those feelings a lot as a writer and maybe on a podcast a little bit less you know we get a little goofy and we maybe follow certain players like hype them up and things like that or or in in my case rail against him necessarily right but somebody. That's more for show. I mean if you're talking about really the the nuts and bolts of the job you do have to keep a certain level of emotional distance. Yeah one hundred percent but for me I would. I would say like this is going to sound stupid but when I'm working out in the mornings and I haven't been because of the pandemic in the gym in my building being closed but usually before all this avid get up pretty early. Go Down to the gym step on the treadmill first thing in the morning and on the TV's in front of me would usually be sportscenter Playing highlights from the previous night. Nba Highlights and no matter how tired I would be like from the jump. Just going through my run or my morning jogger whatever. I would look at those guys and see them in like minute thirty five of an NBA game and see just how tired they must be. And I would go for another five ten minutes on the treadmill. So that's like the stupidest thing I can come up with but I like that. You're being your own tips. Is that what's happening basically? Yeah that's a good way to put it. Yeah that's amazing Everyone knows my answer. This question is going to be Michael Jordan. So I'm going to spare you another two hour long. Riff about him The part of this that I really identified with Kyle is this notion of whose characteristics do you wish that you kind of had or that. You wish you could embody and for me. I know he's kind of had a lot of chapters and it's not all positive in anything else especially recently but the guy is actually magic Johnson. And the reason why I say that is so much of what I'm trying to do with this show and with my writing is spreading the joy of the love of the game and trying to just make sure that people who also love it realizes that love is being reflected somewhere you know. I try to take this stuff seriously for sure You know as a newspaper writer and it's not like I'm writing the kind of Zany and blogging. You've stuff that might have been writing when I was younger. I just a different tone in a different voice but certainly the commitment level that I try to bring to what I'm doing is out of a love for the game and I think that magic embodies that basically as well as just about anyone. There's a personal connection. My Dad went to Michigan State at the same time. That magic did the level of excitement around magic for that school for the community in Lansing for the entire state of Michigan. They still talk about them. Decades later guy always will be the pure joy in the smile throughout the Lakers time period. Where he's hugging Kareem after the first game when cream headset crazy skyhook when he's leading them to the showtime titles going head to head as you're respectful competitor against Larry Bird and Isaiah Thomas kind of doing things the right way of course the HIV scare. And how personally that touch? So many different people is a chapter of his story that You know for him to approach that over the thirty years as something that he could use as kind of a platform to again educate and inspire people is pretty incredible and the thing really more than anything that I always go back to its charisma. I mean there's certain people whether it's Obama Magic Johnson. You know like these elite kind of leaders in their fields in society. Have this ability to make others around them. Feel like the star of the show right feel like if the super important person they just leave you feeling warm and fuzzy and as a matter how cynical or how detached you are as a writer like if you spend basically anytime. Magic's orbit you're going to get sucked in because it's Chrismas just that high and you know maybe it's not true for Celtics media members. Maybe they're able to put up You know certain guards against him over that yeah but I know for a fact a lot of people are just like look like I understand that we got a knock magic for how. He's handled the Lakers last two years. But you know man this guy is incredible communicator incredibly likeable and and he just puts you in a good mood with his personality so to me. That's a guy who I view as being Particularly inspiring and like you know if we had more Magic Johnson's in the NBA. Right now like the game would just grow and there will never be another liken But certainly like I asked myself lie you know. Can you be a little bit more like magic? You know this is a daily morning affirmation that I go through but like every once in a while. You're like all right. You're being a little too much of a jerk. You're like you know. Just lighten up. You know be a little bit nicer you know. Try to find the The lighter side of life and and things will go a little bit. 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March 11, 2020, One Year Later: Rudy Gobert On Being The NBAs Patient Zero

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March 11, 2020, One Year Later: Rudy Gobert On Being The NBAs Patient Zero

"Lisa from your own personal recollection. What do you remember about march eleven. Two thousand and twenty. Well i remember it very vividly. Lisa saulters is a reporter for espn the co host of six. I was preparing for my upcoming games that weekend. But i was also preparing to fly to toronto the very next day do an east sixty interview with pascal siakam. I got a text from the pr person for the toronto raptors. And he said. Are you watching. What's happening right now. In the basketball world like quickly turned on television and all of my pascal siakam plans went out the window and it became all about. Go bear rudy. Gobert has tested positive for the corona virus. The thunder jazz. I'm told are both quarantine in that arena and the nba has made the decision. They have just announced that they are suspending. Play for the foreseeable future. Think back to where you were exactly. One year ago today march eleventh two thousand and twenty and remember how insane felt when the nba and then life as she suddenly stopped that night amid all of that chaos or industry trained its collective gaze upon one athlete in specific rudy gobert. Today lisa saulters gives us go bears personal perspective on that evening and the utah jazz center opens up to her about what. It's been like to be branded patient. Zero of american sports. I'm pablo torre. It's thursday march eleventh. This is espn daily lisa saulters. Thanks for joining us on. Espn daily thanks for having me so we know march eleventh two thousand twenty as this milestone day in not just sports but american history lisa. Because that's when the coronavirus pandemic really consumed our industry and american culture and it started felt like with the nba sounding the alarm by postponing. The two thousand twenty season and at at the very center of all of the chaos of that day was utah. Jazz center rudy. Gobert the very first player in the nba to test positive for the virus. And you recently interviewed him while reporting this new e sixty profile. What excited you about telling gobert story. While i knew that rudy had a compelling story to tell he was patient zero the nba's rudy gobert test positive for the virus. This has been serious from the get go. It feels like it could turn disastrous. We're going to remember march eleventh right as the night of nba is a league. Took a time out. That is when everyone started to pay attention to this pandemic in the days even the days leading up to that cova was not getting the recognition that it should have been getting right here in the united states and when rudy gobert tested positive. That all changed. You're able to secure one of the. I sit downs with rudy. Gobert all the events of that day and the interview took place back in november over zoom. You were in baltimore. Rudy was in his native country of france. What was rudy's demeanor like when you got to get some face to face time. Well actually i got to get some face to face time with rudy back in july in the bubble in orlando them so that was the first time that i actually got to sit down with him to talk about what had happened. We did a longer more in depth interview after that november. He was the one guy that i wanted to interview more than anyone else. Because i wanted to know his take on his place in history him testing positive. Shut down the league shutdown sports. Shut down everything in the united states. And i wanted to know one how he was doing. After having cova and to how he was reconciling this infamy that he now had. So i would say lisa that when most nba fans think of rudy gobert bare. Now the very first thing that jumps to mind is march eleventh two thousand and twenty and look they might also know him as physically imposing seven foot one giant with the seven foot nine wingspan which is incredible even by nba standards. But beyond all that stuff. I don't really know a fans know all that much about him so tell us where rudy's from tell us what is upbringing was like. He's from france So he was not born here in the united states. He was raised in a city. Outside of paris. City is called cinquanta saints quinton. If we were to pronounce that in in english it was raised by single mom. He and his siblings were raised by their mother after their parents split when rudy was about two years old was the little building i grew up. project apartments by the government. And it's you know of people that a lot of money didn't have a whole lot growing up. I wouldn't say that they were poor. He was always very appreciative of how hard his mother worked as a hairdresser to make sure that the kids had everything that they needed. I told my mom due to greater Educating me to me about being a good human being. And when i look back i'm really. I'm really glad that i come from the place. I come from because Tub miata values. That i have now rudy. You may not have a lot but he had basketball in terms of rudy playing basketball when it all that start well. He says that he was. He remembers playing when he was two or three years old that he would play on the little hoops that his mom would have for him. I also thought it was funny that he said he used to watch space jam on new movie space jam and i didn't know the rules. Nothing for basketball. When when i studied already starting to enjoy it and after a few years really to myself that i wanted to become an. Nba player isn't funny to think that perhaps space jam would be the reason that we have this. Awesome basketball player. Now yeah i love rudy gobert. Some how branch in bugs bunny's coaching tree. But i'm also curiously so what his actual game was like as a young player growing up. Because you've got to talk with one of rudy's old friends from france. Evan -fornia who is now a player for the orlando magic. What was forty scouting. Report on rudy. Back then is scouting. Report was not very kind. He wasn't really good. You got me thinking about how how how awkward. He was back then. He was just kind of this awkward kid who loved to play basketball even though he loved to play basketball necessarily loved him at that time when he was a teenager takes them to the next level as a prospect he grew and grew and grew into this giant forest. God deeper and he's just. I wish i was shot. What did you do what what happened back. Awkward kid is now seven foot one. Like you said a wingspan of seven eight and a half inches and you put somebody like that that stature on a basketball court. I don't care how little bit of skill he has. You can't teach that height but you can teach them how to play. Tommy was twenty. He was actually getting a little bit. Ron with the french national team and so that got him an invitation to the nba combine in chicago. And so then. Everyone got to see this kid and again. I don't think there was any doubt that rudy was going to get drafted but there were a lot of folks who still weren't sold on him on his game but rudy. He thought that. Well i'm man. He thought that he was going in the top five or what is a good spot for. You also need the top five but did not happen. Welcome to the twenty thirteen. Nba draft at barclay center. He waited and waited anyway. Top five came and went top. Ten came and went the top fifteen km and win the top twenty came and went and he had invited his family his brother. His sister is mom they were with him. You hear the story from athletes a lot. They think they're going to spot and that doesn't happen in there. A little bit embarrassed but eventually he did get that phone call. My agent was right next to me and he told me the okay. That's your next. You'd is actually drafting you. through denver. he was the twenty seventh overall. Pick denver nuggets. Select rudy gobert from song tom france. What did your mom say to you when she helped you to crying to turn me that. She was proud in orange. She was like you did it. So rudy gets drafted by the nuggets. Who immediately trade him to the utah jazz lisa and he decides upon the number twenty seven as his jersey number two permanently remind himself and everyone else of where he got chosen so now that rudy's entered the nba with sort of vengeance. What's next goal. His next goal was to make an all star team in two thousand eighteen. He won the nba. Defensive player of the year award forgets it back to have and that is just a huge accomplishment and he didn't just win it in two thousand eighteen. He turned around in two thousand nineteen and did it again. One of just a few players to win back to back defensive player of the year awards but he he wasn't satisfied he wanted to be an all star and in twenty nine thousand nine. He thought this is going to be my year so when it wasn't his year lisa when it turns out that he doesn't make that all star team in two thousand and nineteen. How did rudy gobert take all of that. How would you describe as reaction to not achieving his all star goal. He was crushed and again. This is what i love about radio. Bear he doesn't shy away from his emotions. He doesn't try to sugarcoat anything. He stood there in front of the local reporters and showed his emotion was a rough night. My mom call me crying Ways sorry he cried and to see that it. Just you know how much it meant to him. So tears are shed in two thousand nineteen after. He feels like he got snubbed by the nba. What happens in february of twenty twenty. Twenty twenty actually was his year. He was selected as an all star. Go with our go. Congratulations to rudy. Go near seven years in the league and finally an all star playing the best ball of his career backs because skills when you look back at it now just three weeks. After he made us all star debut just three weeks later after being on top of the world suddenly everything comes crashing down all right coming up march eleventh two thousand and twenty from the perspective of rudy. Gobert whether you have a long to do list for work or a list of diy projects a tackle at home. Take a five hour energy shots. You can check everything off of your list. If you're like me you're spending more time at home. You now the large list of projects for your home so when you get your supplies for that project do not forget the most essential supply which is a five hour energy shot. Did you know that the five hour energy comes in a sixteen ounce can because yes. There is now a five hour energy drink. 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So what precautions were being taken at chesapeake energy arena in oklahoma city on that night well like other arenas around the country. We were still playing whether we should have been doing that or not. Hindsight is twenty twenty but we were still playing ball at chesapeake like it wasn't all the other arenas you'd see. The people wiping down the seats wiping down the scores tables. The players were being kept away from the media for the most part for that particular game. The beat writers. The beat reporters were told. They weren't allowed to go to shoot around that morning. Soap the league the teams they were taking some steps to be cautious about the corona virus. But it wasn't until later that night that we found out just how little we were really doing. So when media members tried to do the standard thing they do before a game with the jazz they want to talk to rudy gobert. What are they told. They were told. That really wasn't feeling well. And i asked ready to take me back to that day. He said he woke up. Just feeling a little under the weather just waking up to code dislike. I had a thousand times before in my life you went to the training staff and they tested him for the flu and that came back negative so he said what he typically does In that situation and he just has some t he rest during the day. He was fully expecting to suit up to play against the thunder that evening. But because of all the news about the corona virus in those early days the training staff decided to as a precaution to test them for covid nineteen. Welcome to grow home. City the jazz back on the road to take on the thunder of okay. See just before tipoff lisa the announcement comes through that rudy. Gobert has been ruled out of the game that night and rudy himself as this is all happening. He's watching the broadcast of the game from his hotel room. What happens next yeah so. He said that he was watching television. And he saw what we also so go bare. He's out had told us now talking. We don't know what they're talking about. The officials come out onto the floor. The officials bring the head coaches over. He saw players leaving the floor and he said he just knew that is when he knew. Oh this has to be about me. I must have tested positive for covid. Nineteen shoe seconds later. I got the call from the from the trainer. What did the trainer say. He called me and he told me that this is positive. And what was his. I thought after he gets that news because at the time again. This is truly terrifying. Absolutely he said he was scared. I ended up being the first one testing positive in a became the story to i came to my mind was unin tacoma mother. He wanted to call his mother first so that she wouldn't hear it on the news he was able to reach her and she was like any mother would be terrified for her son. She immediately wanted to come to the united states to be with him but she couldn't do that. He needed to be in quarantine. And that was the part that i found so compelling about rudy and i just appreciate his thoughtfulness in this honesty when doing the interview. I wanted to know what was that. Like for you now. Close contact people positive they go into quarantine and it's kinda like it's become part of our lives is a protocol. Yes right back. Then he was the first one that we really kind of knew of and this was happening to him he had to feel like the last man on the planet just all by himself and he said he was afraid. He was googling everything that he could try to find out about the coronavirus which isn't always the best thing that we should do. When we're trying to find out about medical information being lisa's it's such a dangerous rabbit all the tumble down into and he tumbled down. He said he read about young people who were having strokes. He was reading everything that he shouldn't have been reading about healthy people dying from the corona virus and he was afraid he said he was afraid to go to sleep every night because he was afraid he wouldn't wake up so rudy. Gobert is literally and figuratively isolated. At this moment he is processing a pandemic alone and about an hour after that diagnosis comes in the nba announces that it's suspending the entire season. Lisa which is again thinking back a year ago. I mean it's insane that we're at a year mark. it's also insane to realize. Just how earth shattering that was. It felt like the first sign that that the world was coming to an end. Yes that the united states and the world needed to grapple with this in a way that would disrupt our entire way of life. That must have been an extra burden and responsibility on rudy shoulders. Absolutely i mean every day turned on the television and something else that you thought could not happen happened and so hearing about all of these sports leagues in you know the nba shutting down. Everything just seemed more and more terrifying. So i remember the so acutely lisa because over the next few days as rudy gobert has already been labeled the catalyst for sports shutting down. Basically we get this video. That is now infamous rudy gobert at a press conference on march ninth two thousand and twenty. That's two days before the positive test we just discussed and as the press conference is ending and he's getting up to leave the room. He pretty much sweeps his hands. Across all of the microphones and recording devices on the table in front of them stuff. That belongs to members of the media. he's touching. Because in retrospect two days later rudy gobert is the first positive case of the coronavirus in the nba. This video needless to say is not received. Well what were some of the things people were saying about rudy. At the time they were calling him a pariah that he was irresponsible. There's no escaping his immaturity of the insensitivity that he displayed and it was an excusable the way people perceived it was that he was being reckless. And saying like oh. I don't really care about germs. I'm to spread all of my germs. To all of you. Reporters by touching your microphones. Because i don't care about germs. I don't care about this corona virus thing that you guys were talking about when you look at it that way you could say. That was pretty irresponsible. You should have been taking this seriously. And why would you want to spread germs to people purposefully. But when you talk to rudy about it. That wasn't his intent at all. A lot of people had something to say about the mike touching in the press conference with the reporters. What do you want people to know about that. Obviously at the time he was the first day that we found out that the media was not gonna be able to interview us right next to worsen. We obviously didn't know as much as we know now and the and only did that to try to lighten the mood of it. He was trying to lighten the mood that the reporters for the first time in you know in unprecedented waters that we're now entering had been told that they had to stay away from players and so he was sitting at the front of the room while reporters were far away. Usually you see these. Scrums that our pregame postgame interviews where the the players you standing there. And we're all just kind of holding our microphones like you know inches away from their face. yes But they were told they couldn't do it that way anymore that they were trying to keep the players in somewhat of a bubble rudy's intention was to show the reporters. I'm not afraid of you guys all your equipment to let you know that i'm not scared of you that we're all in this together so when you look at it from that context you see that he was just trying to make the reporters feel better. And lighten the mood a little bit people. Lisa i mean people were so mad. People wanted him to not just be shamed. They wanted him to be punished. And a few days later rudy does record an apology. A wish. i would have to stay more seriously. And i hope everyone else gonna do. So because we can be together. The lisa the media's response and their understanding about this is one thing how did this play out inside the jazz locker room not well especially when there are other star player donovan. Mitchell also tested positive so again. Let's go back to where we were a year ago knowing so little about it. And they're being such hysteria and fear about the corona virus. Donovan mitchell responded. I'm sure the way. I would have the way you would have. He was mad and he blamed the first person who tested positive. We heard from your teammate. Rudy gobert have you had a chance and again. He has apologized. But have you had a chance to have any communication with your teammate. To be honest with you robin they know took a while for me to cool off in alan. I already said and i already said so. I'm glad he's doing ugly. I'm glad i'm i'm doing well. He blamed rudy for bringing cova to the team. That's just not how it works. I'm sure they were probably exposed at the same time and rudy just tested positive. I that's that's how it works. I mean rudy wasn't going out like swinging from the chandeliers. He wasn't doing anything differently than the rest of his teammates was so disappointing about that. Is that at the time. The jazz were great team a year ago and i was just i think many people were just so worried that this was going to fracture the team and they would never be the same again that this rift between the two stars donovan mitchell and rooney go bear was going to be irreparable. It's not often lisa that none of the story really is precedent in any way. But it's also not often to have one of your star players feuding with the other star player on good morning america. That felt like a sign. That okay this is going to be a real story here. I thought it was over for the jazz. But fortunately and i was so happy to hear that by the time we even got to the bubble. They got a chance to talk as men which i appreciate. There is just so much that was wrong with the world at that time last year that this didn't need to be one more thing. I was so happy to hear that they just put an end to the squabble and talked about it donovan. Said what he needed to say rudy said what he needed to say and they got past it. And that's what. I really appreciate about those two stars on the health front lisa. How did rudy and donovan. Come out of this. Both ended up being okay. Thankfully rudy told me that it took him months to regain his sense of senses of taste and smell but other than that. By the time both of them got to orlando and bubble. They were both healthy so in the nba bubble. In orlando we got to see rudy and donovan and the jazz come together make iran then unfortunately for them blow this three one lead to the denver nuggets and get sent home so twenty. Twenty winds up being overall this frustrating thing rudy gobert but the jazz sign him after all of that to this five year. Two hundred and five million dollar contract extension in december when he got that contract after being viewed as the pariah as typhoid mary of cove in america. What does that mean to rudy. Personally think i think it was probably vindication that he had moved past those dark days. When he was known as like you said the typhoid mary of the coronavirus i think his name was synonymous with covid a year ago despite the fact that he was playing great ball back then once. He tested positive. That is what everyone talked about. That's what people remembered. every time. His name was mentioned now he we are a year later. He's a two time defensive player of the year. he's back to back all star. He's playing the best basketball of your career for sure. The jazz have the best record in the league. And now when people talk about rudy gobert they don't think about oh that's the guy who had covert that's the guy who tested positive for the coronavirus. Now when people think about rudy gobert they think about him dunking over on sentence rudy through middle rooted. Right now lisa when you look at what is sitting in front of rudy gobert. The possibility of bringing a championship to utah are real possibility. After everything that's happened over the last year. Exactly now what do you think it would mean. I think it would mean everything and it would be so fitting that the guy who was blamed for shutting down the league for shutting down sports for shutting down the country gets to wind up a champion. Good stories are vowed ups and downs right. The roller coaster ride of the journey on march. Eleventh of twenty twenty rudy gobert was in a freefall and to have him be at the top of the mountain a year in a couple of months later for him to be able to to win a championship. I think that would mean everything to him. And i think it would be a great ending to the story. Lisa saulters. thank you for tracing the trajectory of the craziest roller coaster ride and professional sports. My pleasure you can watch. Lisa's east sixty special men in the middle. The rudy gobert story which is available now on the espn app up. Next what it was like to try to cover the night that sports stopped with fifty. Different protein types tastes and sizes. It is no secret body. Tech is the authority on high quality. Performance fuel from innovations in complex fuller flavor to crowd-pleasing cereal flavors and delicious new limited edition. Travis ledges body tech goes heart just like you and it's all backed by an ironclad quality. Promise now you can buy one get one fifty percent off body text. Sports nutrition plus save fifteen percent on orders of forty dollars or more with code. Bt espn at vitamin shoppe stores or vitamin shoppe dot com today. I remember exactly where. I was on march eleventh. Two thousand and twenty. I remember the exact spot on my dark blue chair in my living room as i stared at the tv two week old daughter thankfully asleep. As i- manically refreshed twitter taking in the rudy. Gobert news and tom. Hanks tested positive and the news of the house. Suspending travel from europe to the united states and in that spot for the last re hundred sixty five days i have more or less remained right there on that dark blue chair in my living room as i continue to stare at the tv. And manically refresh twitter but many of my colleagues were at work that day and espn's thirty for thirty. Podcasts collected their perspectives in an audio documentary. That shows how they reacted in real time as sports shutdown. We got some breaking news for you. Related to virus. The city of san francisco has followed the lead of neighboring santa clara county and banned all gatherings of thousand people or more for two weeks that bam will include warriors games which means yes the warriors plan to play tomorrow night's game without fans so the nba. I league forced to making move. Combat corona via fears. ramona shelburne. Up until about one second ago you were working the phone and through our tape time right now. We're hearing owners in the league are meeting. Ed been trying to text. You know different owners and different team presidents trying to find out what they and said but the expectation was the thing they were going to talk about the potential of playing games with a limited amount of fans there's an increasing belief among teams throughout the league. That's where they will all eventually end up here with no fans in arenas they're not quite there yet. That's part of what's being discussed. And that's what. I thought. We were going to be covering that night. One of shutting down games in l. a. or games in new york to fans. That's what seemed like the furthest. Go that night. Facts the nba. Tonight's games. they're they're being played as schedule including a doubleheader here on espn at eight eastern. Nikola yokich traveled to dallas to take on luca and the mavs for more on the nba. Tonight tom rinaldi joins courtside from the big game in dallas and tom what can you tell us in. This could be an effective snapshot. In time of the future to come. I remember we got to the arena and the earliest fans who showed up. Were receiving little bottles of hand. Sanitizer in dallas a different kind of night for fans arriving at american airlines arena receiving hand sanitizer seeing so wow i mean how different is that spur here. We are in a building in dallas packed with people there twenty thousand announced yet another sell out. It was packed and i was taking pictures with fans and you. You're you're leaving and you're smiling. You're engaging with the fans because they're excited for the game as you are the whole feel around that game. I can only describe it as strange instead of asking assistant coaches and players. What they thought of the match up. I was asking everyone how much a part of the conversation amongst the players is. The virus there was just this feel around the game in every circumstance that made it feel like something was coming that's nba analyst. Doris burke and she was right. Something was coming. You just heard about rule bears day. The jazz game getting cancelled the building shutting down. I remember getting frantic tax from people across the nba all of them kind of realizing simultaneously. That the great machine of sports was suddenly grinding to a halt. But not quite yet because that night. The dallas mavericks denver nuggets played their game and doris and her production team had to complete their broadcast with the weight of the knowledge that the nba season had just been suspended doors. Once we received the news your ability to concentrate on the action in front of you became distinctly hard. I mean it was heart. But then you have to come to grips with the fact that you still are on national television and that you still have a responsibility to your euless alec swatch luka doncic choose normal pick and roll partner is kristaps porzingis tonight. It's been this guy and i started. This is where the play by play job becomes an intricate and delicate dance. Monday obscene gruyere and the producer at espn jeff. Ever our director. He knew wants. That moment was announced that honestly the probably highest profile person in that building was mark. Cuban probably the highest profile owner in our league and i remember. He told our camera six. Hey stay on market could see right here. The reaction from mark cuban when he got the news looking at his phone. It is one of the most indelible images i've ever seen the absolute shock that crosses mark cuban's ace. It's a man in a chair looking down at his phone and whip lashing back into which i thought the tom was. Can we get mark. You mark i reacted. We've got the shot of you reacting on the phone and seeing it first reaction and thought when you learn the season been suspended this phrase truth. Not within the realm of possibilities. It's just seem more like a movie than reality. Tom is in the middle of with mark. We're supposed to go to break at that point. I'm like is we ain't going to break. This is to walk over to my wife just like we switched our kids to school tomorrow at that big and again you know real. We finish the interview. Any looked at me like he was still stunned and i looked at him. I know like. I was stunned and the only thing i could think of to say to him again was thanks and good luck Felt a little chaotic and it absolutely felt surreal. It may may have been the most strange feeling i've ever had on telecast and i've been doing it since nineteen and our thoughts to all of us in this country obviously weighty thinks that we're dealing with the despoilment interesting couple of days here in dallas mavericks. Thirteen the nuggets ninety seven special. Thanks to our producer. ian gruca. tom. Rinaldi doors birkin tire. Espn crew. on what. I felt before the game was this touch of what i felt in. The aftermath of that game was the beginning of fear. 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The Nic Batum All-Stars and a deep dive into Rudy Gobert with Tony Jones

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The Nic Batum All-Stars and a deep dive into Rudy Gobert with Tony Jones

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If you or someone, you know has a gambling problem and I got 109 was it in Indiana promotional offer not available in Nevada? Hello and welcome to the game theory podcast. I'm your host Sam bacini. We are presented by the athletic today on the show. Tony Jones is in the building and we're going to talk about something that we have affectionately dubbed the Nic Batum All Stars the guys that come in and do this season were in some way shape or form seemingly written off by the basketball commentary and it off and some of these guys are going to be star players that maybe weren't getting the respect that they so richly deserved coming into the season. Some of them are going to be guys Thursday. We thought we're done and frankly are not done. So Nic Batum is the name that stands out there most but before we talk about them, I do want to start on Rudy gobert because the whole Rudy gobert experience to me is very fascinating and nobody is closer to home. Rudy gobert experience that doesn't play for the Utah Jazz or works for the Utah Jazz then Tony Jones. So Tony, how you doing, man? I'm doing good. I'm doing good. Thank you. First of all, thanks for having me on listen. I feel like I'm no longer a guest on your podcast. Like I just feel like I'm just you know, I'm at home. Like I can kick my feet up and all that stuff. That's what I want. I want you to hold the microphone in your hand. I want you to put those feet up on your desk and I just want you to I want you to feel relaxed as we talk about Rudy gobert and hopefully hopefully you'll get yourself in trouble with anything you say. Well, I mean, you know, that's the thing like I felt like, you know, when you when you moved to Australia I was I was a little worried that these things were stopped and then you would just tell them you'd be like podcasts. Yes podcast. Let's do it. So, you know definitely definitely glad one day. You gotta come on my page. Guess I'm in you don't have to tell me twice whenever whenever you need me. I'm there, you know. See I'm I'm serious like one day that's that's what's going to have to happen. But you know, I'm glad that I'm glad that we're doing this and yes, let's let's talk about Rudy. Gobert. What? What do we want to know about mr. Gaubert because I thought before today and obviously today is Sunday. I thought before the day that he was running away with the defensive player of the year award. And then today happened today happened. I would not go as far as running away with the defensive player wage. I thought he was running away. I thought it was a significant gap between him and everybody else. So I totally understand why you would say that their top five and defense coming into town today. They're really really good team Utah. They are arguably playing better before today than anybody in the NBA just point blank. Especially now that the Lakers have hit like off a bit of a bit of a malaise having said that I'm still saying Anthony Davis Ford Prince of player of the year because they've number one defense and he's the one the keys the number one defense in the NBA off. He's by far the most versatile defender in the NBA Rudy I think is a reasonable like honestly probably would be second for me right now Myles Turner has a case sneaky class that I've been advocating as much as I can Larry Nance would probably be in my top five right now. He is the whole reason that the Cavs have a reasonable defense. Yep. Right now a top-10 defense, but I digress nonetheless Rudy gobert has been very very good for the Utah Jazz this year and I thought that Utah's games this week. We're kind of a perfect encapsulation of the Rudy gobert experience against Dallas. He was the reason that they just come holy month and utterly annihilated the Mavericks in both of those games and I watched the first one close cuz I bet on Dallas because Utah was without Donovan Mitchell was without a favors and Dallas was getting back Dorian finney-smith was getting back to like Powell. I thought that they'd take that energy and catch you too on the back end of a back-to-back and be kind of run away with that game and that absolutely one hundred percent was the wrong side to be on and in large part. It was because of the incredible grass. City that Rudy gobert holds as a pick-and-roll offensive threat, he is completely obliterated kristaps porzingis in that in those two games like butterwood obliterated him like wipe them off the face of the Earth on both ends. He averaged 23 points and 16 rebounds. He had like three blocks. He had a couple of steals. He was dead thing that people who are Jazz fans and that yell from the rooftops about Rudy. Gobert. He was everything in those two games that people say about Rudy being like a top-12 impact player in the NBA. You'll hear sometimes in this game today against Denver Nikola jokic made him look like a parking cone on defense and Nicolas Cage does that to a lot of people because he is for my money now the best center in the NBA, I would say come over Joell embiid, even though I know that you all and beat has a very real MVP case himself yogesh dropped off. Seven en route to go Bears head today though, and it was unbelievable and looked like Denver did a good job of getting switches Denver did a good job of getting him away from gobert where they could but a lot of them came on Rudy and it's just hard I think to try and figure out what Utah's ceiling is with Rudy gobert making, you know going forward 40 million dollars a year because he has a lot of these matchups where he is a genuinely Elite Unstoppable player in that a lot of these matchups where you can really catch and I'm trying to kind of navigate my feelings on that and navigate my feelings on like that contract that he signed and try to figure out how valuable is Rudy gobert. I really thought he might be the player that I struggle to Value most in the NBA because I see all of the positives I see how incredible he is and there are some very distinct negatives that caused him real issue. An important match ups and an important moments. So Tony I will just give you the floor. I I kind of spoke a lot there and through a lot out you I just want to hear kind of where where you are on this Thursday. Okay, there's a lot to unpack. So I'm going to start by starting with the contract. And here's here's the thing about the contract off. It doesn't matter whether that contract was two hundred million dollars two hundred twenty-eight million dollars 150 million dollars 178 million million dollars. It took it done a number of the contract wherever it came in at it doesn't matter because wherever that contract came at the Jazz are going to be over the salary cap into the luxury-tax. So the dollar figure it just doesn't it just kind of doesn't matter if that makes sense. So I totally understand them. You're saying they're the only place that I would push back a little bit is in the trade ability of such a contract. Like if it was a hundred and fifty million dollars. There's no circumstance where off that deal like if you only had 150 million left on it, there's no circumstance for that deal in my opinion. Barring injury is ever a negative asset off by the time 2024 rolls around and ready to go bear has ninety million dollars for two years left on that deal. There is a chance that that's like a real net negative value contract is off part is Rudy gobert works and is in shape as that dude is and he deserves a lot of credit because there are a few players in the NBA who do work as hard as he does to stay in playing condition. Well, that's nice jazz are a betting that thirty-two-year-old really a thirty-three-year-old Rudy. Gobert still going to be a really good player. And then I'm not even saying it's a negative deal on I'm sorry and keep to interrupt. Yep. But I don't even think it's a negative deal. I'm I'm just struggling to figure out the downside of it. And I think that there it's a deal that has downsize if by the time he's thirty three years old. He is struggling to like move a little bit more. So I think if you know, he's thirty-three and he's on the last year of his deal and that deal is Donovan Mitchell sign his third contract. I think the Jazz will call that a win, you know, because if if if you go into free agency may be right now if you look at the free if you look at free agency right now, there is nobody else out of koala and that's on the market and we all know the koala is not really on the market so long you've had an entire NBA basically gear up for the summer of 2021 because the expectation was there was going to be Jana Santa Claus. Bolt on the market Paul George possibly on the market Rudy gobert possibly on the market. There are so many guys that were supposed to be on the market. And now none of them is on the market. So as hell off of the restricted guys from that 2017 draft class to like Jayson Tatum Donovan Mitchell Etc, right. So imagine if Rudy gobert was on the market as an unrestricted free agent home and that's why it to me that the contract doesn't matter the Jazz had to get that done and they had to they you know for for for the Jazz really go Bears weigh two hundred million dollars. He is he is their defensive system. He is the reason he is one of the biggest reasons why the Jazz of 15 and five right now, he's playing at a career level despite back with you know, what Sunday Sunday afternoon may have war against Nikola jokic, you know, so he's you know, he's he's he outplayed his last contract he's dead. Really well heading into to to this contract. So, you know, I don't think the Jazz are losing sleep over over that contract at all. And the other thing is if you lose your job are you definitely not getting Donovan Mitchell back for third contract or your or at the very least your chances are severely damaged and you know if the job as if this 15 is Starters five starters real in the Jazz are actually one of the top three teams in the Western Conference and you know, they can improve on Thursday next year and so on and so on then you increase the chance to keep and Donovan Mitchell for you for your third contract for his third contract in in this is you know, all of them is Big Picture stuff, you know, so, you know to me it's the you know, you're paying Rudy gobert two hundred million dollars and you know, he's dead. He's worth, you know, every penny that to the Jazz because of what what he means to their franchise as a whole now in terms of Sunday, you know, I think that there's some contacts that goes into to what jokic was was was able to do really wasn't on him. You know, he was you know, he was he was his primary Defender for a lot of possessions, but he was off as primary Defender for a lot of possessions as well as well true. Absolutely true. That was now but that opens another can of worms. Okay. So quit Schneider the whole Jazz defensive system is we want to funnel everybody to Rudy gobert and really go Bears at the basket. So, you know Quin Snyder went into summer saying we don't want Rudy chasing jokic all over all over the perimeter. So we'll start him on Paul Millsap and will start boiling bogdanovich on jokic off. The problem is that that completely backfired jokic got way too comfortable. And then before, you know it he had 30 at halftime and then you know by that time I you know, you just not going to shut his water off, you know, when he's rolling like that and I think that I think that there was some thought that okay yoke is tends to float in some games even if he's you know, a guy that can probably score on every possession and it just didn't happen like that on Sunday. He you know, he kind of smelled blood and water from the vet first possession was aggressive from the very first possession and he just got way too comfortable and by the time you know, by the time he got comfortable there was just nothing that suggests could have done off now the conversation is okay. You know, do you know if Rudy gobert or is your defensive player of the year, then you should be able to put him on jokic and off then you should be able to and he should be able to affect jokic to the point where you know, it's it's it's at least a watch the issue with that is wage free. Go bears chasing yogurts all over all over the floor. Then he's not at the basket to help with John with dribble penetration. And that's something that's that's a question that the Jazz are going to have to answer for themselves as as the year goes on because you know, there's a very real chance of these two teams meet in the playoffs, you know, so it's it's it's is definitely a layer conversation on what happened on on on Sunday night or on Sunday afternoon. I think that dead Strategically that that plays into to to what we see but you know, I also think that jokic is is just it's just evolved into a hell of a player and he's at a point right now where he's playing at an NBA MVP level, you know, so so what do you do need that? If you're Quin Snyder do you try to stay with the normal scheme and keep gobert next to the basket because if you want to do that against Denver and and a postseason series and that probably means you're going to have to go a lot with Derrick Favors and Rudy gobert on on the floor at the same time. And if you want to do that, and if you want to do that, then you know off the question then is you know, how effective offensively are you going to be? It's a fascinating thing with the Jazz because you know their song Baka there's this kristaps porzingis. They're guys who can space there are guys who can space gaubert out to the three-point line, but they don't have anywhere near, you know, the passing accuracy and off the dribble Acumen the ability to score day yoga stuff. So it's like a three-fold thing when the Jazzy Denver well and in the case of a jazz Dead series, I would imagine that you're going to see favors for Royce o'neale in that starting lineup just because Roy Springs most of his value on the defensive end not to say that Royce a good 3-point shooter now and his continued to evolve his game as a driver and I think he's like a very like quality NBA starting like fifth option right off. But if you have your guy out there for defense, you're going to want to put favors out there in order to take that tough. Yokich match up if you don't want to put go back. On yokich which it's it is a bit tough for me to wrap my head around the defensive player of the year conversation where Rudy probably is like the best help Defender at the basket in the NBA just point blank, but can you or Defensive Player of the Year really be the guy that you don't want to put on Nikola jokic twenties wage in 30 on you in the first half right? Like I get I get the reasons for it for why you would do it that way but it's it's tough for me to wrap my head around in terms of the overall value of what that person is bringing to the table. If you can't take on the tough on ball assignment, I think that we've gotten to the point a little bit where I don't want to say we're under rating on-ball defense because I don't think that that's necessarily the case, but I still think that Rudy needs to be held accountable for them. His on-ball Acumen at the end of the day, even though he is the best defender in the league at the basket. Well, I think I think that I agree with you a little bit his wife took agree. I think in in in in jazz rather handy Larson said this on Twitter today and I agree with him completely. It's less. We don't want this. It's not we're hiding brown bear from jokic. If you're asking questions, it's we're keeping gobert next to the basket so we can execute our defensive scheme. Yeah where we normally do and and took a difference to that there. I totally agree with that. Yeah. They're a hundred percent right? It's not like they're saying okay. We don't think you can guard Nikola jokic, we're going to put you on Paul Millsap. That's that's not what the Jazz are saying. That's not what they're doing. They're like, okay we want, you know when Jamal Murray beats Mike Conley or if Gary Harris beats down the Mitchell or Will Barton log. Beats Joe Ingles or bojan bogdanovic. We want them to run in the routing and he they won't run in the Rudy of Rudy is at the top of the key or at the three-point line, you know guarding choice, but to me that's just in like to me that's just you're worried about the second third fourth option at the expense of the first option down. And as we know in the NBA the first option shutting that guy down or at least slowing down the tap a little bit of that running faucet. That's the most important thing you can do. I feel like and I understand the logic behind it, but I just I don't love the adult love the choice to do that. Well, they did it against Dallas a little bit like they put boy on bogdanovich on porzingis and they said here if you if kristaps composed us up and hit mid-range twos porzingis wage. Different cuz porzingis campus, right? That's the thing. That's where the miscalculation came in cuz porzingis and yogesh could just two very very very different animals. Yeah, I happen to think that at some point, you know, he's just going to have to find a way to get stops on on your kid. Yeah, and if there's you know, but you took the Jazz of gotten away with they've been able to beat this Denver team with jokic going off for 35 and they just figure out a way to stop everybody else. They did it two weeks ago by your coach at thirty-five. He was dominant. He was every bit of Nikola jokic to jasta won the game because they shut down Jamal Murray and they shut down Will Barton. So, you know, it Thursday night was an extreme example, you know, yoga's isn't going to score forty seven against the Jazz very often, you know, you know, nobody's nobody nobody for them. Fifty years is going to go 15 for 17 from three-point range and and 1/2 mean that just doesn't happen, you know, and and the the Jazz got back into the game in the second half. I mean it was a 99-91 game early in the fourth quarter. So, you know, I just I think that you know, you don't want to overreact to one game but at the same time you want to take you want to take things away from that one game and and try to apply it from when it really matters. Yeah, and I get that and I think he's just on some level. It's reasonable to think that there's like an over-reaction at play here, especially on like in regard to what I'm saying. Right Rudy. Gobert has been very very ridiculously good this season like just a monster on the defensive class. He's been very good on the offensive glass as well creating second-chance opportunities. He's been really good wage. Can roll threat offensively he's been a legitimately like I would say he is probably pretty clearly right now the third team all-nba center, right? Like if you were gaining three of them you would say he's the third team guy behind your kitchen and beat and that's super valuable. I don't mean to diminish that at all. I just struggle a little bit I think off with the whole package of skills. It's it's like having a guy who is Elite at like three things and then who is like he is probably a month average to slightly below average Defender out in space on an island against guards. Yokich is of the world centers Etc when you're so overwhelmed good at the basket and almost doesn't matter but in playoff series it does matter. It's it's such a tricky Nuance conversation with gobert that I really don't know off. How I would feel about building around him long-term. I think the Jazz had to do it. Like you're you're a hundred percent, right the Jazz had to give him the deal that they gave them like no question. That doesn't mean it doesn't have downside three years from now if this like if you for some reason was to get hurt and then you'd see his athleticism get sapped by like 15% long term. It's a it's tough. It's tough took me to navigate what I think of gobert a long-term and what I think of him as like a a building block peace who essentially has to be the second best player on this Jazz team for them to win a title. Like Rudy. Gobert has to be the number two behind Donovan Mitchell to when it's idle. I think he can maybe he is the line of like how good a number two has to be for a team to win a championship like cross that line is really high as we've seen over the course of the past few years outside of the Toronto like semi aberration due to the injuries of Golden State not to take anything. Away from Toronto you play who was in front of you and they absolutely deserve that title, but they probably don't win that title if Klay Thompson and Kevin Durant don't get her off or a team-building perspective. So you have to have two top-15 guys in the way the NBA's going you almost have to have two top-15 guys who are versatile. Yeah. I'm just intrigued by seeing where it's Jazz team goes over the next two to three years. Maybe they are just like one of the two best or three best teams in the west now with the Clippers and Lakers and we'll get that bear itself out over the course of this year. Maybe maybe my concerns are just like kind of unfounded on this. Well, I think I think the I think that really go Bears playoff performances have been talked about pretty dishonestly to to be fair, you know, for example two years. Go against Houston, you know, we're liable, you know Twitter MBS, where was like, oh really go Bears being played off the floor yada yada yada and that was bullshit really gaubert was Utah's best player in that series took a country mile by a million miles and he was literally the only reason that the Jazz were even competitive in some of those games last year was awful for me. It was it was actually it was actually funny because in real time I was like, wow, you know Rudy's play really well on offense. I mean Rudy's playing really well offensively, but he's really struggling against yogesh defensively and then I saw how much yolk is your visceral rated the Clippers and how many issues he was given Lakers and I was like, oh my word Rudy gobert actually played him pretty well in hindsight. I you know, I don't know what to Stats bear in in playoff situations juice. But you know all of the stats and you know regular season situations, they they really go bear defense pretty well in space or he has defended pretty well spaced and you know, maybe that's you know, when you're in the regular season and you get defending, you know, Orlando's guards one night and you know, Minnesota's guards and other night, you know, that can skew that can skew the numbers a little bit off but he was but you know, he was legitimately good in the in the Nugget Series last year was just that jokic was playing, you know all World Basketball. Yeah, just might not have realized in real time that Nikola jokic was turning into like a very clear top six player in the NBA like he's been this year. And and so I think that the discourse has a globe are especially on social media has been has has has been pretty dishonest. I think that he's had issues and 2 Series M. I think that was the 2017 Golden State series and I think that first 2018 Series against Houston first series of Houston, you know like the Oklahoma Oklahoma City series. He was amazing. But then again he was playing against Steven Adams, you know Houston spaced him out in the second round that year 2019. He was really good against Houston the Jazz just couldn't score like they couldn't score at all. But their defense was the only reason that they were even that they're even that they were even competitive and off those games. There were still a five-game Series last year. He was good against the Nuggets, you know, so he's been good in the playoffs and you know, you know, I think I think that, you know narratives are hard to to overcome, you know, but I have no reason to think that you know, I have no reason to think that go Bear Song Isn't going to be good in this postseason, but now having said that if you know at some point, you know where he's got to look at yoga. She needs gotta be like, okay. I have to figure out a way to stop this guy. And well, I have to figure out a way to generate some like it doesn't matter if if jokic goes from forty if it's a 1,000 game down the stretch and and Rudy gets to stop that matters and that's what didn't happen. And that's what didn't happen against against Denver a couple of months ago in a bubble bath. And that's what like the difficult part of this conversation. Is that the Jazz were genuinely one basket away from beating Denver in a playoff series and off hook shot from Nikola jokic doesn't fall then this is an entirely different conversation. The problem is that well, it happened on Rudy. So it's hard to separate those two years. Things from one another it is and but you still have to separate it. If you're being honest with yourself. Yeah, and that shot that shot was probably a that was a sub 50/50 shot for Nikola jokic, even in that spot even as good as Nikola jokic has been all of it. That is still probably a sub 50/50 shot for new Clio catch and he made it home. So Rudy's next evolution is you know, when he runs into one of these matchups, you know, if he wants to discourse to to to to to go back to being honest then Thursday, she's just gotta do it and then the other the other matchup that's going to be interesting for him is the Lakers because figuring out what to do with Anthony Davis is going to be very interesting for Rudy. I expect I would expect if the Jazz see the Lakers in a serious. I would I expect them to start their favours along or Rudy gobert probably will but then. Probably going Anthony or favors on Davis hoping everyone filters tour Rudy if I'm the Lakers in that scenario, I start LeBron James Anthony Davis wage schruder Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and probably West Matthews and just try to like overwhelm them with shooting then then dare you to put gobert on Anthony Davis because if you'll go bear on one of West Matthews r k c p i mean those guys are 40% Shooters don't realize you're just doing what you do is you go back to your regular starting lineup. I have a question for you. That's nice to sound really crazy and like like seriously, it's legitimately going to sound nuts. But no seeing what Rudy gobert goes through gardening. Nikola. Jokic is Anthony Davis age or is it would it be worse on him? Anthony Davis is a worst offensive player than Nikola. Jokic, it wouldn't be worse on him. But so I would I would I would just suck. Okay, if you're going to adjust to that then you know, I'm going with my regular starting lineup Royce O'Neal you can go on the brand new router you can Garnet. Yeah, I think 80 is going to I think in Eighty LeBron pack role particularly is probably going to cause some problems there probably but it causes problems for everybody. So you just gotta deal with it and listen, none of the stuff happens in the vacuum. One of the reasons why the same issue so many threes because they know right now they don't have Kawhi Leonard. They don't have LeBron James. They don't have any Davis. They don't have Nikola jokic their ability to shoot from there. You'll be to surround the three-point line. Shoot the basketball play with Pace get a lot of Threes up that's their equaliser to not having those guys. Yep, and the numbers are crazy. Like they're taking almost half their shots from behind the three-point line. I love it. Right? It's great. So they're like, okay if Anthony Davis is beating us or if Anthony Davis is is making a bunch of law ensues. Then we're going to Jersey. And we're going to shoot threes if Luka doncic is getting into the teeth of our defense and he's making a bunch of floaters and we're making a bunch of 3-pointers who's winning that possession, you know life is good as Nikola jokic was against jazz on Sunday, you know, his forty seven points didn't be to Jazz. It was the 15 3-pointers out of Seventeen that they made in the first half that page just yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like composite was great Will Barton was great, you know, like you're not going to get a composite head is one good career game his first good college game. That was great Facundo campazzo. He's been like sneaky. Okay, like it's all he's been a disaster. He's just like a bought I put a ball in his hands on Sunday June the first time that I felt like that was the first time this year that Denver actually put the ball in his hands and wasn't playing them off the ball and he was he was terrific. Yeah. That's what he is. He's a backup point guard. It's a bit of a weird situation for him wage. Cuz I thought he should have went somewhere that didn't have a good backup guard that would just allow him to be the second point guard who has the ball in his hands for 15 minutes a night, but they have Mom call Maurice who is really good. So it wasn't it wasn't a clear V to me when he came to Denver but he's I don't think he's been bad. I think he's just being a ball mover for them the two rooms like have to do you respect from three, right? But that's not what that's not what he's great at. Like I think we haven't seen up until Sunday. We hadn't really seen what makes come Pazzo's as heck did as he was overseas. Well, maybe we saw Sunday. Yeah. I mean he you know, he got into the to the defense he made plays he made shots, but you know, I think I think with the Jazz are the way they're composed the way the way their roster set up. I mean they if they want to make a run in the playoffs wage. Going to have to get stops and they're going to have to make a lot of Threes. Yeah, see and this this all changes when Denver goes out and gets Bradley peeled. So would you trade Michael Porter Jr. For Bradley Bill wouldn't think twice like look you go back and look at Bradley Beal's playoff performances, even before the like off all worldly that he's made as a score. I mean, he averaged twenty five in a playoff series for the Washington Wizards at one point on like plus efficiency. They had those two playoff series back in 2017 where they played who they play it was one of them was Atlanta cuz it was like the who's like the good like 5 seed Atlanta team that people were a little bit excited about and he was really in that series and then they took Boston to 7 the next series and he was really good in that series too. So man. I am trading Michael Porter Jr. Twice and not even I'm going to pack his bags man. I'm right there. Like I am he's gone and I'll give up more than Michael Porter would you go Go to the airport and make sure he gets on the plane and strapped in. Yes. Okay. Yeah, I'm with you if my if if if Gary Harris, you know two or three first ROM on Michael Porter Jr. You can get get me Bradley Beyond on it. Yeah, simple that yeah, and it's not even a statement on me. Thinking Michael Porter is like bad at basketball. I think Porters great life hurting really really good. I think he's going to be really really good. Michael Porter ceiling is top 15 player in the league. Something like that. Bradley Beal is a top-15 player in the league right now, I think and I know people say all videos and defend he doesn't defend I think if you put them in a situation where he has to give a shit on defense, he's going to be just fine. There's there's nothing about Bradley Beal that says he can't defend other than the fact that he seems not to really care that much about defending right now. There is no need for it, right? They're going to lose most nights anyway, right right. So I totally get it. I understand that song. See behind not wanting to give up the guy that you drafted and that you're developing and that you nailed in the draft. I mean, they took Porter at thirteen when it was seen as a risk to do so look we can talk about my boss has talent. I had him at like number five or six on my board in that draft, but it was a risk to take Michael Porter Jr. At number fourteen in the draft and they did it and they nailed it and it can be hard to give up something that you have put that much Sweat Equity into but man Bradley Beal is Bradley people unbelievable. It's so good. Yeah, that's the thing about it is it goes into it basically delves into the area of asking the question like hey, what are we doing right now with like yeah, there's a discourse. You know, Michael Porter Jr. Is great. But what are we doing? This is Bradley Beal that we're talking about. You know, like what are we doing? Why are we even why were you having this discussion? I was trying You're out earlier if you are, Utah. Is there any way you can get involved in the Bradley Beal conversation there later away. The only way you could is if you gave up your entire draft much like Brooklyn dead. They don't have a draft to give up. Well, they they could give up all of their pics into the future like they could give up for first and three pick swaps. I mean, yeah, there's no way because I don't Washington if you're watching it, you just ask for for Donovan Mitchell and then the answer is no right. I don't think there's any way that the Jazz organization would ever do it just because it goes against everything that like the Jazz organization has been about in regard to like sustainability and continued success like not having a dip long-term and a Bradley Beal trade is by nature Thursday because he's only signed for a year and half longer. I would be stunned if the Utah Jazz would do it and I don't think that like if Denver offers Michael Porter Jr. Then the Jazz can't log. Off the offer at the end of the day, you know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, you know, I I just you know, I mean they're they're not going to they they can't get involved in that off just because you know, it's like okay you're giving us down in the Metro you giving us Rudy gobert, you know, you know, somebody asked me on Twitter about that. And so what would it take well would take the Jazz will never do. Yeah, and there's no way they're giving up Donovan Mitchell for Bradley Beal and I think Donovan Mitchell's contract is poison pill din a real weird way to where it would have to be exceedingly difficult to move Donovan Mitchell and said deal anyway, even if they lost their mind and decided to do so, let's take a quick commercial break and then we're going to get into the Nic Batum All Stars. This is going to be fun. It can be awkward or embarrassing to talk about erectile dysfunction. 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We wanted to talk about these guys that in some regard have been written off over the course of their careers for one reason or another and Nic Batum is the guy who has been completely written off and I don't even think that it's wrong to have written off Nic Batum to be honest because he was not very good for the Charlotte Hornets over the course of the last month or two years. Realistically. He was like a passable starter back in 2018 in 2019. He was pretty bad. And then last year he was in the 20 games. He played he did not look particularly playable in an NBA game. He is now like a definite starting basketball player for the Los Angeles Clippers like he is a starting quality played. . And that is those stunning on some level, right? So my question is was Nick playing possum. Did Nick just not care last year. Did Nick not give the best effort because he knew that Jake been opportunity. Like this would be coming to try and join a contender. I mean, maybe he just checked out. Listen. How do you go from looking washed to looking basically 90% off all self cuz that's what Nick looks like right now. He looks 90% of his Prime and he genuinely did look pretty Washed by the end. So, how do you explain that? How do you go from looking washed off the plane? Basically, you know eighty-five to ninety percent of where you were when you were a borderline All-Star and some of it has to be effort related. Like I don't okay. I keyed in a deal with some injuries in Charlotte like nothing so serious that it was like totally sapping his ability, right? Like he played seventy and seventy-seven. Games the first two years he was there. He had like a little injury in 2018 if I remember correctly, but he came right back and played seventy five games in 2019. Yeah. All I know is that the fact that he has with the Clippers? I mean it might win a championship. I mean, he's it's a been a perfect fit like he's he's defending a terrific level. He's off during the basketball. Well, he's a balm over he's galvanized that line up like he's given, you know, one of the Clippers major weaknesses down here was that they didn't have any above-average kauai's gotten to a he's become a an above-average passer. Yep, but they didn't have any Dynamic passing in that office exactly what I wanted to mention to. I'm so glad you brought it up. Yeah, and and Nick Batoon has, you know just added this Dynamic cats who can make you know birth. Primary and secondary reads and you know, he's playing the foreign. He's like the fourth option like it's just it's it's just been an insane fit for for what time you want it. It's just a home run like in so many ways. I cannot believe that this is working out as well as it has he is the perfect wing for playing in between Paul George and Kawhi Leonard in because he's like a big dude like Nic Batum is like six foot eight and has long arms like you can play him three and four pretty easy and you can play em next to Paul George and Kawhi Leonard and utilize the small lineups that have a ton of shooting a ton of ball movement a ton of spacing like this Clippers offense is 3rd, June be a for a reason and it's third while maintaining a top-10 defense because Nic Batum exists like Luke Kennard would probably be they're starting their other birth. Wing in this case, right? Luke Kennard is really bad on defense. Like they they have not really been able to stop teams. Luke. Kennard has been on the court. He's been really good offensive line in everything that the Clippers hoped for when they dealt Landry shamet for him. He's been that secondary ball-handler when he's been on the court. He's been a great Cotter. He's been an incredible shooter as we expected but you put him on the court and you've a target for teams in pick-and-roll to try and get switches against and so far Nic Batum being what he's been just kind of changes things for the offers in a very real way that is really surprising. It's really really surprising to me. I am I loved Nic Batum when he played for Portland and that first year in Charlotte. I thought like that five years and twenty million dollar deals in over pay but not like a disastrous one, but man I had never saw this coming. I never saw him getting to the point that he is now. Well, I mean he wage He was like a throwing right like he's like, okay, there's there's interest on the market. He's going to go, you know, he's going to go to to a contender. He's going to play 15 minutes a night in tips them. Boom Wallah, you know, you you get him on the Clippers and he becomes this indispensable this this indispensable roster entity. Like it's it's wrong. It's riffic Story. I mean, you know, he's playing 29 minutes the night. He's you know, he's at ten points a game five rebounds, you know, two or three assists TJ, you know, it's not turning it's taking care of the ball. He's got the lowest turnover rate in the stocking V. Like it's ridiculous. Like it's ridiculous how how good how how good band and you know, so that's why I'm just like well, I mean you go from looking wash to plant being, you know, one of only two or three guys, he's the only wage He's the only he's the only guy who's in the starting lineup who started 20 games, you know, so it's it's what what's the other relation? I really think it has to be like he might of chilled for a little while knowing that he could bite his time and not like wreck his body his assist-to-turnover ratios 3.7. Yeah. No, he's being sprayed but that's insane. He has been genuinely great like it's it's bizarre. I I'm not sure I've seen someone go from guy that I thought there was a better chance, he would be cut like at the mid-season whenever they make a trade in order to shore up the wing position to own. Oh, holy shit. He might be the Clippers like fourth-best player. She might need a third. He might be the third-best player. I don't I don't get it. It's it's unlike anything I've ever seen and good for Nic Batum man. Like I'm I am here for Nic Batum turn himself into an essential piece of a playoff Contender. Now we can talk about like hey, maybe the Clippers aren't quite the 15 and 5 team that they've been so far your 16 in five if Nic Batum is your third best player. There might be a conversation to be had there. But you know what has mattered so far and they have been blowing teams out. Basically over the course of the last two weeks three weeks realistically, like maybe the Kings by 38 they beat Indiana by 32. They beat the Kings Again by 25. They beat Oklahoma City by double-digits. They be Orlando by 25 like they are just murdering teams right now. They I mean they've been playing like a birth. Hey Malik. Yeah, it's been Deming Utah. It's it's been them in Utah. And now that you know, Utah's finally lost now. It's now it's them that's that's those the brakes. That's how he goes man. I can't wait for Tuesday night. You know what Tuesday night is right. See like here's the problem when you say, you know, what Tuesday night is I don't know what day it is here in a shroud us. Right, Well, I'm sorry you're you're down under don't know that's my fault bro. That's my fault. Like it says it says on my computer right now. It's Sunday 8:50 p.m. I'm like 75% Sure. It's Monday here cuz looking at my phone. It says, it's Monday. So Okay, so Thursday night in the Western Hemisphere. I know they play Brooklyn at some point this week. I don't know whether they play they play Brooklyn on Tuesday night. It's going to be great. Brooklyn looks great, and I'm so pumped. I know that they just gave up like a bajillion points to Washington today, but they gave birth. And 47 points in regulation. Love it great. Just terrific right like really all the stock in the Brooklyn Nets. I'm like 100% off. It's a pretty it's a pretty big wait for for the Clippers and it's a you know, they they've got Brooklyn on they've got Brooklyn on Tuesday back to Boom. They should actually be able to handle a back-to-back on Wednesday in Cleveland, but they have Boston on Friday at home and then they have one two, three, four five very winnable games and then they have the Jazz back to back on February 17th and 19th. And then they play Brooklyn the next night or two nights later play Brooklyn bounce in February 21st, which is my birthday. That's a good birthday gift for you to watch Brooklyn Clippers. We love it. No, you know, I'm spending with the with the family. Okay. I'm going to page. I'll be watching don't work with the family. Yeah, I'll be ignoring the family number. Let me know when you're ready. Just let me know when you're ready to send me see me happy birthday will be fine. Oh my God. So the other Nic Batum All Stars here. I've got I've got a list of five other names here that I want to talk about. Some of them are stars are role players and I think that the guy that made me think about this most is kind of a weird name, but Harrison Barnes has been really good for the Kings this year and I feel like when people bring up Harrison Barnes, it's mostly like as a player who is like not very good and is just fine. But Harrison Barnes is like a very quality starter like Barnes is averaging 17 points 6 rebounds three assists this year shooting 50% from the field 42 from 386 from the line off. No chance of Defending when he's not on the court, they don't really have a chance of Defending when he's on the court but like he takes on tough assignments at least and they've been six points per hour sessions better defensively when he's been on the court. The problem is that there's still a hundred Seventeen and half when he's on the court because holyshit is the Kings defense just a train wreck but shut down a really good job of like trying to help these young guys and knocking down shots from the corner and driving when he has to when he's really improved as a passer like Harrison Barnes. I think God I want to say he'd be a gift for someone cuz I still think that contract has like a bit a down side. But you know what that contract does deescalate in terms of value. He has two years thirty-eight million left after this one. I don't know man, like that's I think Harrison Barnes has been great this year and I would like him to get some respect for it. Well, he said, Like a week from 26.7 rebounds 5 assist and in a road win over Toronto where he shot 66% from the field 57% from three-point line made along all of his free throws had 21.5 and four and a road win over the Orlando Magic had a 21-7 in a home win over to New York Knicks. Like he's he's legitimately been good. I think you know what you can say about him is he's he's gotten comfortable with who he is. You know, he he's figured he's eliminated to ambiguity to what he is right? Because when he South I'm that contract in Dallas, you know, the pressure was there for him to be a star and he didn't become a storm. When what he is is is a high level. Role player, which is borderline where he is bordering on okay, he can be an offensive Hub to to what choice to some you gotta get. You gotta get him back on a contender. That's my thing with him. You know, like I think he's ready to go to a contender now because I'm really glad you brought the Dallas days because if I remember correctly, he was like top five in the NBA and like percentage of possessions that ended in isolation when he Dallas and he just wasn't that guy that wasn't him home is cut them out. He's at 5% of his possessions ending in isolation. Now, he's mostly like a spot-up transition guy who can occasionally run pick-and-rolls can occasionally post like cuts off the ball and make smart choices like he does what you're asking him to do plus does so while being a positive Defender for your team. I agree man we gotta get home. Barnes back on a contender like I feel I feel like some team would do well to acquire him. Like he almost feels like cuz Boston likes to play these weird lineups like putting in Boston would be fun. Yeah putting him. Honestly like Utah kind of has it off of these guys like putting him in Utah, I think would fit his skill-set. I'm trying to think of you know, I think the ambiguity also was what position was he right? Cuz yeah, we're like, okay, he's a three. He's a three. He's a three-year. He's a three. No, he's not a threes. He's more. He's a month or yeah, and you know and and yeah, he can handle some on ball possessions but ideally want him to space the floor make secondary reads. He's he's got a really good at attacking Closeouts. Yep, and he's gotten really good at spotting up and making shots, you know, where he great thinking about this he dead. Be great in Utah, but that's neither here nor there. He be great in Phoenix i b e be perfect because is that the three what they're essentially doing in Phoenix. Is there like spotting up McHale? And whoever the four is a lot of time. It's Kim Johnson a lot of the time it's j Crowder. They're just spotting those guys up in the corner and then like running high ball screen stuff off with one of Devin Booker Chris Paul. Like that would be a perfect role for Harrison Barnes. He's really good defensively. He'd fit them lengthwise and give them a bit of a a bit more strength in length wage. Then what Jae Crowder does Jae Crowder suffer, obviously, and I would love to have Jae Crowder still on that roster. But like that's a that's where he would be kind of a killer I think is wrong X. Yeah, I agree completely other guy, by the way, and this is another Nic Batum all star and one that I hadn't thought about until now have you watched them? The Bulls this year. So are we talking about Lori marketing? I was going to say Otto Porter. Oh, well, we've talked I talked to you know, I've been talking about oh Puerto with a couple of my friends page so he's been really good. Yeah, like he's he's basically what he was in Washington again. Somebody should trade for me. He's going to have a nice contract next year. Yeah. I don't I don't think that you're going to overpay Otto Porter next year again, but somebody's going to overpay Otto Porter because the entire league thought the Yiannis is going to be a free agent. So everybody has caps. Yeah. It's a good point someone bite of like literally all of the legal like, oh we got cap space because you're honest is going to be a free agent and it's going back as big frenzy and guess what? Yeah, nobody's on the market. So that money's got to go to somebody. Yeah Otto Porter though has been good again. He's been good defensively even though again log This is another team in the Bulls that have no idea what they're doing defensively and I think that they actually have a reason for it because they have a new coach and the new coach is implementing a scheme like Billy Donovan's having them played coverage and I know that early in the season Wendell Carter like really struggled with you know, trying to figure out where his gaps were and where he needed to be standing in space just it was it was tough choice for the Bulls defensively but on a porter has been good this year like he's knocking down shots. He's passing the ball. He's still pretty useful defensively like not not quite as good as he was just didn't think he still fine on defense someone like Dallas should trade for Otto Porter someone like the sun's should trade for Otto Porter. If you thought I was going to say if you were you saw would you trade phone but I mean where you going to find twenty-eight million dollars at? Yeah, it's it's tough to salary match for Utah cuz there's no way they can do dog. Mark's then cuz Clarkson has become like essential to them now, which is has become Michael Jordan a conversation for another time. I mean underrated and Nic Batum All-Star Georgia person. I mean the money would almost have to be like favors. Who as we discussed earlier you kind of need in the west. If you're not going to play Rudy on the Stars, it's Center Page think you want to deal with Royce o'neale for Otto Porter know on that racetrack. Number one race has been really really good. This year. Number two is down in Mitchell's best friend. Yeah, that's happening. Yeah. No, that's never going to happen then. Yeah, Utah doesn't really have it cuz you're not dealing Mike Conley cuz my colleagues been really good to my colleagues been playing at an All-Star level. So yeah now they they don't really have a way to get Otto Porter. Unfortunately unless it's unless he gets bought out because nobody can trade for Otto Porter because that deal is so large. Well, that's the thing. I mean, you know and Kim can wage. Stop with the the notion that some that the Cleveland Cavaliers are going to buy out of your drama now centers are tougher because who buys out twenty-eight million dollars, but they were buying out 28th. They'll be buying out half the season and hopefully get into and 1/2 back or so. Yeah, right like that idea. That would be the idea. But do you see that happening? I don't like I think there's a reasonable chance someone trades for right? I wouldn't I will say that like I would not trade for Andre Drummond. I probably would not I think someone will every every time that he grabs a rebound and he ignores Darius Garland, sex and looking to push the ball up the floor just so he can dribble the ball up the floor himself eleven. Keep track of my veins. Don't feed it to my veins give the ball to a God and run the floor Andre. No seriously give the ball to Larry Nance. Like I don't I don't care. I don't care who it is. Not you launch pay off. Oh, man, those guys gotta be in hell right now like come on. I'm ready to push the basketball and rely note walks the ball up floor start some drivel action tries to make a decision turn overlay up together way. It's like a clipped you remember that video Blake Griffin made where he's making fun of osprey Rivers. He's like no I got it. I got it and it's like throws the ball like up up off the backboard. Yes. That's what the cabs dealing with Andre Drummond is like right now. What they've got to be like what is it going to take? Like coach? Can you tell us gotta get someone out that passed please? We're going to give him the ball and half-court off like you you you've really gotta like actually give Andre Drummond the ball to pacify him and half-court like you've got to give them the ball and you've got a clear out otherwise, no telling what's going to happen. I just I don't get it. I don't get it. I do get it but Andre Drummond, not a NIC Batum All-Star despite the numbers that he's posting off. Not not for me. One guy. That is a NIC Batum All Stars Andrew Wiggins. You wanted to talk about Andrew Wiggins and I think he fits this because he's reinvented himself in the way that we hoped. He would reinvent himself thus far in Golden State. He's still averaging 18 points a night, but what he's doing he's knocking down shots from distance and home. Actually become an active help Defender, which is something that seems crazy seemed crazy when he was in Minnesota, but his accurate now like Draymond Green him yell at him until he becomes an act of help Defender and he has he has been a terrific Defender like he's had just really freely a good years. You know, he's he's taking he's I won't say that he's cleaned up his shot profile, but he's shooting forty percent from three-point range, you know, he's been a liability on defense before this year, but he's been good defensively. He was carrying a second unit offensively, you know, he's he's you know, he's he's been good like he's been he's been legitimately good so, you know, he's been blocking shots like it's been going I'd like I've I've been nothing but impressed with with what home Unable to do this season. Yeah Wiggins weak-side shot-blocker has been really valuable for Golden State because James Wiseman has been well gosh, I like clown James Wiseman because for the most part I think it's been positive for a kid. That's like nineteen years old adjusting to the NBA the first time he's been good on offense like his ability to run the floor has really opened up the page line and transition for Steph Curry, but he's like for the most part pretty clueless out there in terms of where he needs to be in drop coverage, which is fine because playing in the NBA is exceptionally hard, but with Andrew Wiggins being there to clean up is again not something that he's ever done in the past but is doing right now and has been pretty good so far off at doing so so, you know, it's obvious that I think that that Andrew is a he's responding to coaching, but he's bought into to the system off. And that's not hard to do. I mean you're going to buy in when like Stephen Curry and Draymond Green's in your locker room, because you know urine all Steph Curry because Steph Curry is one of the best players of his generation and Draymond Green's just going to kick the shit out of you if you don't buy it, so, you know, we sure that's a guarantee given the Kelly oubre experience so far. But Kelly's tried to buy in like they told Kelly. Okay, shoot threes dunk the basketball spot-up. He's just hasn't been very good at it. Yeah, it's fair but oh he's back into the scheme, but he's like cuz I'm here in in in Phoenix. I mean, what's kelly you been doing in Phoenix, you know one read dribble go. Yeah wage like he's got to make Reeds and Golden State Matt. That part hasn't gone. Well at all. No, no. No, that's not it's gone holdback know boy. They're they're going to have to get off that deal off at some point here cuz it's bowel. It's only one year. It's not going to be that hard. Someone will take Kelly oubre. They'll use them in salary matching like in a upgrade of some sort trade deadline is going to be interesting we seemed odd during the trade deadline. I'm in I'm a hundred percent and I've got a new entrance to the Nic Batum All Stars. Here we go. Let's do it. I'm not I'm not sure. Or he qualifies, but but man Gordon Hayward has been playing at a at an All-Star level Gordon Hayward qualifies because everyone clowned that contract coming in a year anyone who listens to this podcast will tell you that I did not think that was that bad of a contract. I didn't understand why people like just totally off outright dismissed it at the time because you're Charlotte like would you rather spend spend the extra five million dollars a year on Gordon Hayward or would you rather have the extra five million in cap space go out and sign, you know X twenty million dollar player plus, you know x 5 million dollar player. Like no, you're the way that you help your roster in the way that you helped Lonzo ball Lonzo. I'm sorry. Lamelo ball and PJ Washington and Miles Bridges and Devonte Graham the way that you helped those guys develop is by going to get Gordon Hayward off. Who can fill like eight different roles on your team while also being a secondary slash even at times primary playmaker? And he can also take off sure off of your team by stepping into the lead role Gordon hayward's 100% Nic Batum All-Star, I think. Okay. So here's some numbers on the kind of season that Gordon is having a job. He's shooting forty 3.5% from three-point range. He's shooting 55% on tues 86% for the line. All three would be career highs if he maintains to space he's going through three point two points per 100 possessions. He's got a twenty one p e r that's the second-highest of his career. Like I never thought that he would go back to 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward where he was basically 23 5 and 5 all season and he's gone back to he's going back to age. Yep it every what he's been a star. He I think he's like a hundred percent in all star in the east right? Oh, he's gotta be like there's there's there's no there's no place like you've got Ben Simmons and Joell embiid for sure. You've got the three Brooklyn guys. You've got Tatum and Jaylen Brown. You've got probably Trae young will make it probably Bradley Beal would not get so that's 9 p.m. At a bios 10 because holyshit has been been good this year. I think we're at 10 and I think that nineteen eighty-five more. I think the Gordon Hayward G5 war two more today. We hear women Ang. I need to more so yeah Gordon Julius Randle. Well, I still don't have Jonas in Middleton. So that's twelve. So maybe Gordon hayward's not an All-Star this year. It's going to be 20 minute. Wait a minute. I thought for sure putting khris Middleton Nova Gordon Hayward Chris Milton Street, really good. He's been okay. I mean Middleton's 21 points on 51 4493 broad experience. So why is it by shooting 50-40-90 this year? Well, I think that a part of it is because defense is probably aren't quite there in terms of continuity yet. There's been a lot of roster turnover plus there hasn't been as much practice time is there was like during training camps and prior-year that's kind of my job. Hypothesis on why star players are shooting as well as they are and you know the lack of crowd is that helping you could absolutely could be helping it's hard cuz there's so many different variables. But but that could be a reason. Yeah. Yeah just say it's going to be tough for Hayward hayward's going to be closed and then we have like Zach LaVine by the way, who's averaging like a billion points in Chicago what I mean she comes in playoff position right third, like nine-eleven. I mean like they might be like eighth or so in the East but I don't know that we need to go as far as we need to definitely get off at an All-Star because they're in the playoffs when they're nine eleven dollars 8th currently. Yeah. I was going to say what they are not but they are nine eleven, but they have gone through Straight and one of those is on in Milwaukee. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know who won that game for them? Lamelo, holy my my guy. I'm I'm listen. I'm doing Victory laps all over the NBA. I just want to let you know that right now cuz I was the one that told you all the Mellow was going to be grown. Now, here's the thing Tony. I think that like if they got it felt like most NBA draft like public people had lamelo at number one, right? Like if she felt that way to me. I certainly had him there like I had him there like pretty clearly. I mean, I just don't get taking Anthony Edwards over him, but you know, that's the conversation for another time probably. Yeah, I'm just saying like we you know a lot of us have a mellow. Well, I guess like here's the maybe Gordon Hayward is not an All-Star. It's going to be off key is going to be in the mix though. This may be the way to put it. He'll be in the mix with Zach LaVine with I think that I probably would take Middleton like solidly over him right now and like one guy we haven't talked about is Russell Westbrook here and Russ is averaging like nineteen ninety nine again, but I don't think Russ wage. Do you think there's really a case for us to be an All-Star this year? There's no case of recipe and despite his his game against Brooklyn on Sunday night. Yeah, I mean like after that game R Us is going to be averaging off what probably twenty ten and nine something like that. That's crazy and I but know that there's a kids of his Advanced metrics or not kind they're bad wage. They're very bad and that team is 4 and 12 the way we can give a four and twelve team to All Stars and if I'm picking one of the two, I'm picking Bradley Beal. Are we giving them one off * 4 + 12 is 4 and 12. I am giving them Bradley Beal because Bradley Beal is averaging thirty-six points again. They currently have the worst record in the NBA. Yeah, I get it. I don't think it's Brad's fault. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. I get it. I do can't can't get there also, like another guy that's going to be in this mix is Tobias Harris too, and he's dead. Another guy that like maybe a maybe maybe a NIC Batum All-Star honorable mention for Tobias Harris. I don't think Tobias was that bad last year though? I thought it was a bit. He was getting shipped from people because of the playoff performances and because of the contrary well because of his contract right but I don't think he was that bad. Yeah wage and I I don't think he's on a team. I think he's like a he's a model. Here's the thing. Here's the thing with Philly. I think it was very obvious from early in the season last year that yeah, and and I love Brett brown, but it was very obvious that his he he was running its course. Yeah, and it's not because of anything he did schematically it's just because I think it was pretty obvious that he was being tuned out. Yep. And one of the reasons why I thought off One of the reasons why I thought that Philly was going to be improved this year is because you know Doc Rivers on new Doc Rivers of command off Instant Respect from the two players that matter which is Ben Simmons in enjoy alarm beeped and he has and that meant that there was going to be a trickle-down effect of man, you know, everybody was going to that everybody was going to play well in you know not also means Tobias Harris. So, you know, I didn't think that way I didn't think he was bad last year. And here's the thing to bias to like Doc Rivers got more out of Tobias Harris and Los Angeles than anyone ever had right? Well and right now he's dead. He's been really good twenty points a game. Yep. Seven rebounds a game three assists a game a Steeler game 18.57 p e r he's been dead. Good Tobias has been great. He's been super useful for Philadelphia. But as like a sneaky thing that's been happening with Philly is that I don't even know that it's Sneaky. Like I feel like it's like a real thing that people have been noting that Ben Simmons has not been very good on offense this year. Unfortunately his I don't want to say he's taking a step back but he's stagnated assembly on offense. Like he's at least I think he's made two threes. I remember correctly this year, maybe 1/3 But the rest of his game in terms of like figuring out how to get past guys and half-court settings. It just hasn't hasn't taken that step like we want it to unfortunately wage. So he he's still just like an all-around offensive threat guy despite the fact that Seth Curry is there and just lighting the world on fire from Beyond the three-point line every single time. He's off Court Seth Curry shooting 51% from three-point range this season, I'll be honest. I don't have the numbers up. I'm surprised it's that low birth. It feels about terrorists moving. Oh my God. I I seriously feels like every time I watch them, he's shooting 75% from 3, Seth Curry Tobias need the shooting forty 7% from 3. Yeah. He's been ridiculous to Joel embiid is shooting 40% from 3. So the Sixers have this much offense of space in Benjamin's it's like still basic wage. Kind of the same guy on offense Ben Simmons shooting 16.7% from 3. Yeah. He's taking like five of them though, right? Well six cuz that 16.7 would be probably sixteen point six six six six repeater. Yeah, which would be sixteen one up 6, so or maybe there's no way he's taken twelve, right? It wouldn't be too of twelve know. He's just want to 6 a.m. So yeah, no like it's Phillies interesting feelings really good actually talk about Philly at some point more regularly, but Philly has been great this year and it's been a really fun to track two other guys that like fit the star category of the Nic Batum All Stars John Wall. I feel like which is written off because of the injury life. I did not expect John Wall to look as good as he has this year like he's gotten he's gotten all of his athleticism backwards. It's ridiculous. See I don't even know if that's the case like I don't even know job. Always like freaky man, like freaky but like he's still looks athletic now and that was a concern coming back from the Achilles. Would he look atletic he still looks at life and that's the important part for Houston. Right? Like is he is he still one of the three fastest human beings in the NBA? Probably not but but he's off is one of the ten fastest human beings in the NBA. He might be one of the ten. Yeah like de'aaron Fox is probably up there who else Collin Sextons probably up there. Yeah. It's a good question. I you guys maybe job was a little higher than I thought he was before I get to him. I mean, he's in this version. Listen, he's he's still really really really really fast like super fast. I'm surprised that Houston is as good as it is without Harden. I kind of thought that this thing would fall off a cliff and it just has not with Stephen Silas. They've done. Well you have fraud A coach on down to the last player on the roster. You have a bunch of prideful Scrappy tough dudes just tough dudes off. They all they've all come up from the mud. I mean just go down this list, you know, John Wall written off Victor Oladipo written off after the after the injury Christian would you know better than anybody he was written off during a draft written off my five different teams during his career choice there were multiple teams that had him on there. No draft list. I know that for a fact. I mean if you remember Christian would going into his draft here like when he declared for the draft was a top-20 pick any went undrafted anyone undrafted. So and I think you would even tell you like, I think he's said it before birth. Like it took him some time because like he was maturing still PJ Tucker, you know tough do written off early in his career. Je Chante Palm had to go overseas before he came back to the league PJ always tough to P J J two J's on tape was one of the toughest dudes in a Big Ten one of the most skilled dudes in the big tent didn't get draft of like, I mean just up and down the roster Boogie cousins Achilles Achilles, tear written off mean. So George Mason Jones the craziest goddamn story on this roster. Yeah Kenyon Martin, Jr. Most enjoys Mason Jones was not playing high school basketball until I senior year because he didn't want to follow in the footsteps of his two older siblings that were McDonald's all-americans. Yep. I mean, he goes within three years and becomes the club. Supporter of the year, you know my you know, and then you know Kenyon Martin Jr. Who's you know, I can't imagine that he wouldn't have to fight for everything. He had no family. Yeah Broderick Thomas is a Truman State D2D to R Nai. I can't remember two-way contract guy who like earned his way into it, too often. I feel you know, who would have thought that Mayson Jones would be better than that. I know right? That's my thing. You know Matt Jones we thought Matt Jones is going to be a lottery pick at one point. Yeah. Matt was mad a little bit before my time. He was probably like right when I started doing pre-draft stuff. Matt Jones probably would have been when did he graduate 2016? Maybe yeah around there. The the luster had come off by 2016 like it was clear that like him. Not a NBA Prospect by the time his senior year rolled around but like his freshman and sophomore years people were excited. I do remember that right? No, I mean so, you know, the the just the whole thing is that Houston has got an entire roster people with something to prove Houston is the Nic Batum All Stars. Yeah, and that's that's the most that's the the that that team is like the most dangerous team like they're like, they're not going to win a championship. I don't fire going to make the playoffs to be honest. I think they can make the playoffs they can don't get me wrong. Like they absolutely suck and make the playoffs. I don't think they will make the playoffs. I think that at some point the high of losing or like essentially being told you're not wanted by James Harden wage will wear off and they'll come back down to earth a little bit. I do think that the way they play is going to help them win. Some games the world. It's very top five defense right now, right the exclusive home which everything that's that's that's tough. And they have the Personnel to do it. It's hard to find centers who are mobile enough to switch and Christian would is at least mobile enough to switch? Yes. The last star I want to talk about something Rosen like Demar has been unbelievable this year. That's my dude. I'm so I'm so happy for him to be honest. Me, too. Speak all DeMar DeRozan. Well, I mean, you know, he's he's a guy that I think Twitter starting turned his back on because he didn't shoot threes and you know, he made his lunch money and the mid-range and he's been you know, he's he's been a guy who always played below the three-point line and you know now he's shooting threes may become a playmaker. I think it's a great story in terms of how much she's been able to mesh with the younger guys on San Antonio's roster off, you know, he's become a leader. He's he was put in a situation that he did not ask to be in and he's handled it. So professionally with so much class. I just have a lot of respect for what he has been as as a human being and you know, I hope that one day he's back. Situation where he has a chance to win a championship there might be no player in the NBA that I want to see when a championship more than DeMar DeRozan DeMar DeRozan got trade for Kawhi Leonard after building essentially like the core helping to build. The core of that Toronto team that went on to win the title had to see his best friend when a title with Kyle Lowry just that had to be really difficult to watch if you're DeMar DeRozan like you have to be exceptionally pumped for your guys that were there and that one but it had to be hard to just watch it. And this is a guy that like is off you I mean you would know this even probably better than I do. Like, I've not heard anyone saying negative worried about DeMar DeRozan have you know, not at all like universally considered a great person is really expanded his game as well. Like it's not just about shooting like he can look I've been on the DeMar DeRozan is an underrated passer bandwagon for like five or six years now wage. And now he's averaging like seven assists a game and everyone's like oh, hey look DeMar DeRozan can pass now. He's sneaky been underrated been able to pass for like the last five years but didn't always do it right now. Actually, he's passing for purpose now as much as anything and it's impressive to watch like you said like he's really meshed. Well with DeShawn Ste, Marie and off keldon Johnson has been a challenge on Sims quickly becoming one of my favorite players in the hall. I love Calvin. I love rocket man. You don't first of all you it's awful. It's it's hard to do but good gracious. It seems like San Antonio was hit on every one of these late draft picks dejounte Murray. He's been a hit Kelly Johnson. He's been a hit Lonnie Walker the 4th. He's been a hit. The one that I think is probably going to be a missed a Miss is Dominic. Yes, boss. I don't think he looks very good and what he was really bad in the League last year to he's still only like twenty I believe but yes, that one could be the mess but like even a capital who they didn't draft like they evaluated him well to go and get him from Toronto and he's pretty good. Now. He's a very good defensive player. Devon vessel is like already a clear hit for them is very loving themselves already a clear head clear hair not even. Oh, he might be a hit know. He's a hit. Yeah, I suppose the one element is just crazy. I think Trey Jones is going to be a hit to I'm continuing to go to bat for Trey Jones. I will his his 20 right now. He's got the second-best now immediately. This is a small sample size, but he's got the second-best p e r so far as he played fifty minutes yet. I bet you he is not like Fifty Min. He is not he's but he's dead. Unlimited but from Derek white to to design say Marie to keldon Johnson to Devon vessel, all of these guys have developed thousand. Okay trailer little boy tray is not gotten any better in his time in San Antonio, you know with all of these guys that are developing even Demars becoming a better player from nineteen ninety nine a game seven assists six or seven assists a game twenty two p e r started all 18 games. He shooting 37% from 3, and he's shooting to a game 89% from the line off shooting 50% from to you know, he's he's you know, he's he's just been terrific. He really has the last guy. I want to bring up here on the Nic Batum All Stars podcast. I just woke Out out Kevin Knox like there there is no player that I might have written off more in the NBA than Kevin Knox. Kevin. Knox is looked solid so far for the next he'd still can't do anything inside the arc, but he can shoot a little bit and he's a clear rotation player for a team. That is like not terrible in New York your New York Knicks are not a disaster Tony not so far. I still want K Cunningham. Well, everyone wants ke kis ke it is a little cable. I want k for sure. There's no player like say you watch a lot of college basketball and I assume this year right? Like hey Cody have is like very clearly the number one pick for you, right? Yes. 9:00. Yeah not even close. I can't fathom anything else like get it like being in this conversation right now. Like we can talk about Evan Mobley, but Evan Mobley is not in this conversation. I'm hearing Jonathan Dominguez name Yeah, Mingo, so I got asked by a friend who works for a company that has an interest in these things. What would my odds for the number one overall pick be right now and I said Kate at 1 to 1 and I don't think that that will change. He might even get lower odds, like he might be talking like 1 to to 1 to 3 by the end of the season and then I said by the end of the year comingo will probably be the second highest odds because I think he's going to end up having the best numbers in the G League among like the ignite guys and I think he's going to end up with like 20 and 8 and teams might look at like oh my God, like he's producing in the song You Can Think like that's a that's a real thing. You know what I mean? Right? Well, I think what you look at with him is that I mean this league is dead. Rawnsley, this is you know, this is LeBron's League. This is Kevin Durant's Lee. This is you know, Luka doncic is Lee, right? So yeah. The guys that can defend those guys. Those are the guys get drafted really high. So when you're six 8 you have a 7 foot wingspan, you're an explosive athlete kaminga plays above the ram in ways that you know, a lot of people can't contest and he's a fluid athlete. He has an MBA body, you know, so when you know, you take all of that it's the reason the Patrick Williams went forth. You know, we saw that coming, you know, we talked about that. We saw that coming in the months leading up to the driver rear light. Guess what somebody's going to take Patrick Williams really really high because Patrick Williams has a pro body like right away. And you know and and I think the same thing about kaminga and and and I think among is a better Prospect than Patrick Williams at the same age. You know without question. Wow, very clearly. Yeah, very so really, you know, I I I think I would say that if I had to go in my top five in order is probably going to be home. Okay one Jonathan to Evan Mobley three, Janice X4 and Jalen green V. Yeah, I'd still just have kaminga at 4 until we see them in the G league. But yeah, I totally understand. Yeah, I think those are your Five Guys, I think all five of those guys would go ahead of Anthony Edwards right now, but Lamela would go above one of those five guys could look I mean I could only go off of what the Minnesota Timberwolves decided to do less than man dead. I'm going to be on that list of I'm going to be taking Victory laps around the lap. All-season. Keep keep it going. Do you have do you have any underrated NBA prospects that you'll hear any guys near like no one's talking about this guy talk about this guy. How many people are talking about David Duke we talk about David Duke a little bit on the last podcast. Me and Matt Penny we have on offer a couple I get it. I don't know how well it's going to translate. Well asides translates. It does. He's like six five and like he's a point guard and he's a Defender really good offensive really good Defender. Is he a point here is a point guard in a way where if you have a nice play making small forward you can put them their Fair. Do you buy the jump shot? I'm not sure I buy the form right? But I mean you can't argue with the percentages. Oh, he's been forty two and half percent over his last two hundred attempts. I mean off. That's hard clearly as such I can't quite get there on the Forum because I think that as you move up levels, it's just way harder to get off those like borderline set shots like he kind of has yeah. I think it's going to be tough and then he doesn't finish inside at all like can't finish inside Daddy's if you're having these do you go back to Providence for one more year is already old. Oh, that's a good question. I see where the rest of the season goes. I don't think it's a guarantee that I would come out. Okay this I'm going to say this guy's name off and this is my just might be my favorite Prospect for the Jazz right now. Okay, Jerry Butler. Yeah Butler looks great. I think he looks awesome talent wise like I think very clearly like a late first-round pick. I mean, what do you think just a great defender can play both backcourt spots tremendous tremendous shooter off? Tremendous NBA body veteran mature, you know him and Davion Mitchell. I think the world of I think both both of those guys are really good. Yeah. I like Davion to I think both of those guys are really good calls. You have you have any other NBA prospects you want to speak about before we get out of here? I can one more. Can I do profess my love for Corey kispert? Where do you think I have kispert on my board right now? I'm pretty sure menu are Kindred Spirits. So I think you have him somewhere top fifteen page him at like seven or eight. I knew I knew that you would like that. I knew that you were like my Corey kispert call. I'm sorry. I knew that you would like that off. It's just like too easy of a fit if the next level like there's is like Kyle Korver on steroids. Well, yeah, like there's a lot of Joe Harris here birth. Like everything that Joe Harris was is Corey kispert. He has improved every year. He's the best shooter in the draft. He's got a quick release. He's in a week floor spacer. And on top of that he can actually attack her clothes out and he's six foot seven and he's six foot seven underrated athlete like he doesn't give a damn. He doesn't give a shit on the floor. That's that's what I love about him. Like he legitimately he legitimately doesn't give a shit. He's going to go after you yeah does not care and also like simultaneously like doesn't care about the number of shots he gets to like if he gets a game where he has six shots like yeah that shouldn't happen because he's probably I mean look down as I don't know like is he or Luka Garza the best offensive player in college basketball like you could sell me one way or another right? Most people I think probably will say Luca just because So dominant inside and creates as many shots as he does, but fuck man Corey kispert about the average twenty points a game and there is a chance that he goes 6059t. Yes. He's phenomenal. He might go 6059t we talked about like 180 Shooters like 50-40-90 guys, like they mean something he might go you may be the first 200 shooter in college basketball. He's just phenomenal he and he and he and he's he's an elite fit for this game for the NBA. Yeah. It's just a simple like just take Corey kispert please i, e has been really good for them to I probably have not talked about Joella enough. He's he's gotten way way better defensively to the page. Like he's really really good. Now. I like Jaden Springer another guy where I'm a little bit worried about the fit as much as anything, but I like how tough he is like you very clearly is super tough dog. Has athleticism that I think doesn't quite bear itself out on the court as much as it could at some point like he has do you remember like how much. Have been Mitchell from his first year wage level? Have you watched? I didn't start watching Donovan until Year too. So when Donovan was a was a freshman and he did a similar thing to Jaden where he'd take off off two feet every time he blowed up two feet jump and try to like finish up through guys and now he's like figured out okay, I have to go around guys. Like I'm six three and have a seven foot wingspan and have a great jumper but I still can't go through guys cuz I'm just not big enough Jaden needs to figure that out. If he does I'm very interested if he doesn't we'll see right. So, where are you on Shareef Coupe? Cuz all right. So, I'm sorry. I want to ask you that cuz I don't know like I'll be honest. I'm not sure. Okay, so he he's he's dead. Trae young wear in the sense that men it's going to be really really really hard for him to fend to defend anybody at the NBA level by anyone. Yep and Trae young get away with it because Thursday is 28 and he's gotta learn any his jump shot needs a lot of work. Yep, but he's a point A to point B guy and there's just not a lot of guys around. I think he's an elite ball handler and an elite live gerbil passer. Yes Elite. I don't think that you can quite have enough effectiveness at his size without at least the threat of a jumper like I think that the best you can do without the threat of the jumper it's six foot or whatever he is and not playing he's not dead foot. I mean, it's listed at 6-1. I was even going underneath you might be right that he's under six foot tall. But like there's a lot of like if Smith there to make em, like people are going to think that that's like super negative or But like no that's positive but if realize how to play at his size, we're like issues like okay, I can't shoot. I'm not gonna be able to defend but what I am is one of the fastest news in the league, I'm going to get an elite shape. That's what people don't realize about ish Smith or Smith is in better shape than everybody he can run all day and that's the kind of shape but you have to be in that size. You have to be the Energizer Bunny and issues masks maximize every strength that he has and he's still a change-of-pace point guard in the NBA, right? You can put them on the floor for 20 minutes tonight, right? So I want to like if Sharif Cooper shoots, he's going to be a starting NBA point guard like no questions in my mind if he doesn't shoe it's probably something like if Smith Finish Smith is like worth in early second-round pick. There's just not a lot of ball-handlers on his level in the world know. He's one of probably the 15 best like ball-handler livejournal passer like combinations on planet Earth agreed which is like I like people like meltdown when I say that about non NBA players, but we'll get lamelo ball. Like I said lamelo ball is one of the ten best lives were pastors like on planet Earth. Well, the reason why I thought labelling was going to be so good was because he's he's only pick-and-roll player. Right? Right and lomelo shown that so far. Yeah. So the same thing about Trayvon like Trae young elite-level passer from day one in the NBA zacurate off Cooper has a lot of those same properties, but he's very small and it's very difficult to play at that size in the NBA. If you can't shoot having like I would take him at like 80 off. In this draft 15 something like that. Like I wouldn't I don't know. It's like I might even take him higher I might take him at like 10. I think that's where penny and I ended up with them was like right around like 10:00 or 11:00 on the mock draft of cast. That's interesting cuz Ron Harper. So hi Ron Harper Jr. I like him. I mean I wrote about him early in the season. What do you think the minimum wage teacher? That's not a name. I know this is where you being older than me. Oh, that's right. I'm forty. I'm sorry. This is long. Are you you're going to be able to just like throw out names at me and I'm going to be like, yeah. Look, I was born in ninety. Oh my God. Were you really born in nineteen? Ninety born in nineteen? Ninety. I'm Thirty like not that young but like yeah Jesus Christ. I was born in 1978. Mark Carter, oh this is this is Philly. Okay. Here we go. This is this is your wheelhouse. Yes, Mark Archer was eight six six six to 245. Just one of the best under the range scores that that I've ever the that I've ever seen or been on a floor been on a basketball court with and that's that's that's awful. Ron Harper. He's she's more athletic. He's in he's in better shape. Mark didn't play in the league because not because of his skill level but because he just just just didn't get in great shape, but he's you know, he's he's a you know phenomenal score. That's that's one of the reasons why I like Ron Harper Jr. Wage. Karcher went 48th overall in the 2000 NBA draft. Yes. Love it. Love it. We're digging deep right now. But the same body type. They took his Wikipedia says team. Yeah that that's that's not true. Go. Look go. Look at it. Go. Look at the Google and go look at the Mark Archer images wage. I was just looking at those like 2:15. All right. Let me let Sky. It's got it looks more like Marcus fizer than looks 215. Yeah, you know, but yeah, he's not to 15. Oh my God, but yeah that that's that's that's that's on Harper Jr. To me. I think wrong what I don't know. I don't think Mark Archer katchoo cuz again no Mark Archer, he could shoot he now what he now the difference is while Harper's a real athlete at his size off. I go that far but he's off the ground. He gets off the ground. Yeah, but like it's not their laterally which is more important. Correct right off. That's true. Like I I it would be interesting to me to see what Ron will do. He's younger. He's not that old like he's a third-year player. I think he just turned twenty-three Ron Harper Jr. So there's still time like if he would come back would get to like six six 2:30 and have like a little bit more quickness. I think you'd probably be a first-rounder. So you want them to go back his senior year and might want him to go back. Let me look if I was I would probably tell them like Ron if you come out we will give you a two-way like a hundred percent. By the way. I'm willing to concede that wage my Georgetown Hoyas do not currently have an MBA. Yeah prospects. What were you in their program? This was the conversation Tony and I had a dog Like after their second game, who was I Who did who did Georgetown play Early in the season song? We played somebody and I was like you was going to be in the league and you were like, no, he's not stop bothering me with this it was it was Villanova and they were they were playing Jeremiah Robinson Earl. I think no. No there is cuz cutest like drove from the free throw line is like Blue by Jeremiah Robinson Earl. I think it was I was like, this is what worries me about JRE and years and I was like, oh what I was like, what you do is going to be in Iraq and you will I what My blue and gray bias may have gotten to me a little bit of a text message conversation took a little bit, but I'm listening is my Maricopa. I'm willing to admit that there is not currently an NBA player now next year when the meeting will probably gets their jobs. That might be different guys. They have some guys coming be good, you know, and if Jordan Riley pans out, hopefully, I'm just listen that we're for innate right now Sam. It's been is nothing left for next year. It's it's bad things are bad for Georgetown. So we we thank you and like is still their coach next year, right? Oh, yeah, you just bought in and top 10 class. He's not going anywhere. Yeah now I think but I do think he has to win next year. Yeah, I think or I think he has at least make some progress but I mean when you bring I mean he's you know, he's bringing in Mahomet. Who's are they going to home? McDonald's All-American Game who knows? You know, he's going to find that out, but I don't know my in a normal year. That's the McDonald's long. That's the McDonald's kid. Sure so long, you know you're bringing in a top ten class. So that kind of saves Jobs go get freshman or to go get Trent grad transfers. That's what they need to do. Yeah, we gotta grab transfer and he can't play I'm sorry two of them. Neither. One of them can play Sorry. Who's the who's the who thinking at now? We got shooting a bio from like North Louisiana or somewhere and we got the the kid from Arkansas. Jaylen Harris gifts that he's not very good if he's not good. No, he's he has no business plan in a big Esports and we had the the kit from Sienna Don carry the shooter. He's been okay least like Big East player. He's a big East player. He's a good shooter, you know, but he's dead. You know your fifth or sixth best plan on the roster. He's like a third best plan on his roster. Yeah, do they have they have him for next year? Cuz like he's again like I think he's actually like fun and he's supposed to get another year of Eligibility. But the speculation is that he and giammarco picket best friends. That's the reason why I picked Jewish style and giammarco's going to be out of Eligibility off. So they all have eligibility to go back right cuz they all get their Year back. Right? Right. So but I mean, you know, I mean following the whole Max speaking of that this Mac McClung approval for you yet. Not really, but I'm a lot more interested than I was when he declared for the draft last year. Well, he'll definitely go to the draft choice here Willy I would I would think so. I don't I didn't say he would get drafted. I'll say definitely goes he'd he'd still just be like a borderline top 100 guy for me if he goes, he's still not a dog. Pastor playmaker like he needs to be able to be a point guard and he's not a point guard. Right? It would actually like really helped him. I think to go back and play for them again. I agree with you definitely agree with you. They'll be good year too. They're going to be good every year cuz crispier it's really good. But like they'll be good again. Next year. Christmas is really good. Yeah. All right, Tony, let's get out of here. Tell the people you've got going on. Tell the people where they can find your work. Well, you can find me at the athletic and you can find me a Twitter on T Jones on the NBA and off, you know, thanks again for Sam for having me on another one of our marathon pods where we just talk about everything and there's so much you know with you off while we always learn a lot of time go by so when we do get on it's like okay, we got so much to catch up on that's true and wouldn't even go as deep as we could have on the draft guys. We probably could do that Jake Paul. We gotta do a draft bot. So yeah, we'll talk. We'll talk about draft prospects soon. This has been the game theory podcast. Please remember who you subscribe. I have some written words with be writers coming up this week. And then officially I can tell you that I think that the next week so not February 1st, February 8th is going to be when The updated NBA draft prospect ranking series comes out. We'll do organizational rankings will do overall Prospect rankings top 50 prospects in the NBA page that will be the following week. Not this coming week, but until next time we'll talk soon. Bye.

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Donovan Mitchell + Rudy Gobert, Brady not the GOAT?, Urban Meyer and Dante Fowler join the show

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Donovan Mitchell + Rudy Gobert, Brady not the GOAT?, Urban Meyer and Dante Fowler join the show

"Speaker yourself from the career presented by Hyundai Jason Whitlock Marcellus Wiley on a wonderful Friday afternoon. Happy Good Friday to you. Are a great show planned today. Bourbon Maya three time national champ. Our College football analysts Right here Fox. Urban Meyer is GonNa join us. Sobel Dante Fowler. The new defensive end for the Atlanta Falcons We're going to start today though with the NBA. At a report by the athletic that Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert where the two stars of the Utah Jazz are not getting along. And it's all because of the corona virus with some people with these stories suggesting that the relationship may not be salvageable. Donovan Mitchell Lamine Rudy Gobert for the career for him contracting to corona virus. Espn author to report today. That says not only will bear and Donovan Mitchell on the outs and not communicating goal bear not communicating with the jazz either or virtually no communication with the jazz either. This situation looks bleak. I'm not sure if I'm buying that. This is all driven by the corona virus as it relates to legal baron. Donovan Mitchell Marcel. Do you have a problem if Donovan Mitchell has seemed so upset about Rudy Gobert where giving him the corona virus. The relationship isn't salvageable that makes sense to you. I don't have a problem from D Mitchell's perspective in terms of if he felt that Rudy Gobert because he was acting callous and because he was acting foolish and being irresponsible in that moment gave him the corona virus. I understand what D- Mitch is coming from but There three sides to every story. And I'm glad that you started to suggest that there's more to this story than just a contraction of the corona virus. So I'd rather spend my time talking about Rudy Gobert side and his perspective one. If you're Rudy Gobert obviously you got caught up in the wash in the transition of how this Toronto viruses now and how we're responded to it and how it was before the NBA Castle Games. Go back to that Monday before that. Wednesday cancel game. It was a different world. It wasn't our normal pre corona virus norm. But it certainly wasn't this and I feel for Rudy. Gobert that much in that moment of transition not taking it to heart like some did but not all but also if you look at it this is a real one and I think some of the Utah. Jazz officials are saying. This kinda calmed down. You don't know if you were a symptomatic agape bear the virus and he showed symptoms. I you don't know how this transaction and contraction occurred. So let's not totally edite Rudy Gobert. But like you're suggesting is well. There's more to the story. This is the easy convenient way and low hanging fruit. If you really have other issue with Rudy Gobert and a way to get out of Utah well absolutely and Don mcnabb Donovan. Mitchell is from New York. I think this is about one out of Utah in my opinion. But we're going to bring in a real expert on this Jim Jackson because Marceau's this whole situation reminds me of nine hundred ninety six when Toni. Braxton Jim Jackson Jason Kidd all came down with the flu with the same So we have no better expert right when I love it. Jim Your thoughts on out of enrich and Rudy Gobert. First of all my thoughts. It is because you wanted to ask you that you don't you. The technical difficulties of not having me on is why you didn't want me want me on the phone instead of my reaction so I can respond according to what you say your technical difficulty but not saying. Don't you know what interesting about this is that I knew during the course of the year even late last year go bare unhappy at times. What is wrong okay? In regards getting touching how that the chew this whole Dynamic Donovan Mitchell? We really don't know always take. Let's be careful about what we hear to what we know. Back Toni. Braxton thing I told people and I tell people all the time break up in Donald's had nothing to do with Tony Breath. I never met Toni Braxton. But yet you left newspapers and the people outside tell the story. Then that's what you're gonNA believe. Now Keep in mind bears twenty eight years old six years in the league. A little bit more mature Donovan. Mitchell was only his second year twenty four years old so he still immature mcgurk. How handles some of the things? And since the beginning even when Robin Roberts asked specifically Donovan how the relationship was going on a have you talked to rudy. He started to question so still dealing with a little bit of immaturity aspect which is okay from a young man that is still trying to figure out his way through the NBA grown as a young man. Unfortunately what happens? You have to superstar opposite end of the spectrum. Not Talking to each other. One is not talking to the organization. And that's not a. That's a cause for concern moving forward. Can you be professional and the question is when both of these young men come back be professional enough to do your job without splintering the team? Because that's the ultimate question. We won't know that until they get back into building face to face and understand their job as a profession as the play basketball and do it to the best of their ability. But I'm hoping that reading the tea leaves. A lot of this is a little bit more blown out of proportion. I'm hoping that those two young men can salvage whatever relationship they had before and get back on the court because I think they're dynamic dul for years to come here and NBA. Jim What's your reaction to my fault. That perhaps Donovan Mitchell just once out of Utah it's a unique NBA lot of international players. And of course Utah is nothing like New York City. Well I mean Donald wants to get out of here next year. After his option comes up in his ages can push to where he wants to go but keep in mind. Today's World Donovan. Mitchell still be a star in Utah not going to be the same if you're in New York Chicago. La You know Atlanta's. I mean well Chicago something like that Boston. But he's in control. This is his team here a lot of times. You know we look at it and I think there's a point well taken from yourself when you're looking at it Donovan. Really WANNA GET OUT I. I haven't heard that this is his team. Basically can do pretty much what he wants to do in Utah. You know the conversations with him as being you know that next all star that continual all-star superstar on the on the court and off the court. Can HE DO THAT IN UTAH? Picky can in today's world. He's not going to get the same for That you know a lot of guys you can just point the Damian Lillard what. He's doing there in Portland. He still kinda overshadowed by the bigger markets. Hope that is not the case because again if you lose the Donovan Mitchell in Utah now you you're losing a story line in the Western Conference of a young team that we look towards the future and a hope. That's not the case yes interesting. This certainly can align itself to a guy who's Lane Bryant come breadcrumbs down so that when that moment occurs he signed a four year deal. He's on his third year of that four year contract if he wants to exit Utah which I think a lot of NBA players. Don't necessarily look at. Utah's a destination. this was certainly give him ammunition for that move. So he's the guy who's from New York but also spent a ton of time in California and off season Maybe he's one of those guys that needs that big market fascinated from it. He spends his time there. And then you go to Utah and I could relate to that plan in Buffalo. I'm from La. I went to school in New York and then I land in Buffalo and to protect some of the players that were there bay to a man would tell me man as soon as you can get out of Buffalo. Get out because now not only lifestyle but opportunity so data. The Mitchell is really burst in terms of off the field opportunities. But Probably Limited being UTAH. This was low hanging fruit. Why not throw it out there that I'm not happy at C. I? Plays Al Gore. Ford is we've got to move on. I'm sorry then we gotta move on. Urban Meyer is GonNa Join US next Jim. I do want you to answer this one question. Yes or no. Don't be long winded can. Can you deny that you Jason Kidd and Toni? Braxton all had the fluid ninety six deny. We've got a good. He's not gonNA quit. Meyer we're GONNA pull up in his crib speaking yourself presented by Hyundai more after this. Well Majesty for yourself from the crib presented by Hyundai Jason Wedlock Marcellus Wiley. Eitam pull up in Sarasota Florida with one of the greatest coaches in College Football History Fox Sports College football brand broadcaster three time national champion. Urban Meyer Urban. Welcome to the show. Let's get right to it. You're living in quarantine like the rest of us time for great reflection. Have you learned anything about yourself sitting at home with your family? I learned that I really have a hard time growing a beard of any substance. I also realized how much I miss being around people. You know. I'm I'm usually pretty quiet guy into myself but you know you get locked up like this and it makes you realize how much you miss the people you work with. And he was shared by you. The best put you to work here. Take You back to your coaching days. What would you be? What advice would you be giving your kids right now? With is very unique off season a lot less supervision than by the coaching staff. What would you be telling your kids right now because the alternate test of culture and ultimate test of leadership in a there's going to be someone commoditised difficult situation some team is going to be exceptional and that's going to be that with a great culture and that with leaders because they're on their own and you know I. I've been talking to say strength coach and coach days. Well he'll just little things like nutrition and keeping your body weight up and get to sleep on time all the things that you take for granted when you have a hold him on campus. That's all gone. And so some a mark my words Jason. Gammel come on. Stay in a very very strong. Because they must have an incredible incredible group leaders. Because we'll have an edge on everybody else now coach. You're you're over here with us on the good side being an analyst little different pressure cooker versus your great coaching career. But his retirement life for you harder or easier than you expect it easier. You know I think You Know Nolan. It'll how states in great hands by it's been much. I Miss Certain days. I miss a dearly but You know I think Fox has been a big part of that. I love my team at Fox and I can't wait to get back with those guys with Reggie and Matt and Brady Quinn and Rob Stone so I learned this new life. I appreciate the life appreciate time. I appreciate family all things that were cut out part to find those kind of times. Now your name always going to be out there in terms of coaching opportunities even at the NFL level. There were talk this off season that you potentially being the cowboys coach. Any truth to those rumors and were you interested. Started when the call and ask me a question about the coach at Oklahoma Lincoln Riley and asked me about the job and I think I mean comments like the Yankees psychotic brand. It's America's team they happen to be loaded with athletes and he kind of caught me off guard but there was nothing real to that. No substance never contacted and but I just have great respect Like any football coach of the Dallas would out of the Dallas cowboys. All right listen urban. I'm a huge critic of the sports media. Despite being a member of the sports media I love the media. I love my career in it but we do a lot of things that I disagree with. I thought the media mishandled ZAC. Smith story unfair primarily the YOU and your family but also a little unfair to that and so as a former coach who now works in the media is there. Any advice may not be exact word. I'm looking for but any words of wisdom or thoughts or perspective you'd like to see the media have when they're dealing with these very complex stories and there's so much Beta sensationalize them and demonize people any advice you would give to the media why. That was a very tough situation for everybody involved. Bobby's mistakes made. I made some mistakes but it was all in trying to do the right thing and art ministration Jane Smith by Self Title Nine Li Liaison All People. We relied solely on the police investigation police reports. And what they told us. We're not investigator so you you asked a question about advice. I would say that you know. Don't report the truth. Report not narrative report facts and think facts are always critical and remember your football coaches Ad You're not investigators. That's not our job. That's not the job doing the right thing and we tried to do the right thing. I don't speak out everybody but he tried to do the right thing so if vices that that. That was a tough situation. I'm not sure I'm wanting to give advice on that kind of situation but I just think the capital fax. And that's that's what needs to be reported our success at Bowling Green Success in Utah Successive Florida's success at Ohio State. I don't WanNa hear about your favorite team. I WANNA know. Which team do you think you did? Your best work at because to me like Ohio state that kind of recruits yourself. The both of brothers chase young to me which he did Bowling Green I played in a Mac was amazing. What was urban Meyer's best work? As a head coach they recruit themselves Jason. You have to work really upbeat. I'm something like that. So Ryan's doing a great job with that Bush Days. I would say the most fun I was Utah. You think that was the spread offense when it was really knowing who's running and we're doing things. Dan Mullen myself or he was on my staff there. We are doing things offensively that. Let's let's try you know we're not in. The public is much. Maybe a work. Maybe it won't know you took over a program. Let's try it but I'd have to say as you're talking to. The two thousand twelve hostages came off a seven last season. You took over fried conduct a great coach a good friend. Jim Tressel and Luke fickle and have that team go twelve and When when the players at the end of the day we're not allowed to go to a bowl game. I I sometimes I still stay in touch with so many players do talk about one of the most selfless acts expressed. Those guys go all out and without any punishment because once you're on probation you can leave and they stay. And all these day we had to overtime wins and and had some struggles injury wise but found a way to go twelve. And that's very hard coach. One of the greatest college football players ever one of my favorite people in the world. Tim Tebow what did you think of his? Nfl career and what were your expectations of his NFL. Career biased. About him. I love Emma. We went to his wedding and south. Africa Demi is beautiful wife or great friends. He actually flew all the way back. Kinda my daughter's why do you not guard so I thought I thought he. I thought he'd going to Super Bowl. I really did. And the game. You know when he had that running for the Broncos and then beat the steelers. I thought here we go man and the NFL game is tough again. Meltdowns different and it didn't turn out that way but I I expect -tations going into it and unfortunately then. What were you thinking win? Tim became so polarizing. Then why while the in two thousand you know he's one of the top recruits come out of high school. I remember it well. Obviously and then two thousand and six. We won the national title. And he's the Golden Child. Two Thousand Seventy wins the HEISMAN. Two thousand one the National Championship. And then I remember. The pressure in the intense scrutiny was the first time really witnessed that knowing myself but also on an athlete and Tim the Superman he's as competitive guy. I felt it. I saw it. I felt it on the team and I think is is lifestyle the fact these strong Christian and he's there's no hypocrisy whatsoever. He what he is and he's open about it and he's very. He wears his feelings on his sleeve. You know that time. He gave the speech after that. Lost all eight. You know you wish you had at the time I was like man. I wish you wouldn't have done that. He did and as a result we. I knew that had a big impact on our team. So what makes us so polarizing? He's a person that we all look up to that we all Wanna be like And at times. Sometimes I guess that attracts people but it also creates negatively. Time which I. I don't understand that and this talk about to other quarterbacks Joe Borough and two of their coming out this year Put your analysts evaluator. Had on which one you think is the better. Nfl profit because a lot of both. I love her. They arts people which is really really important in this process which we talk about how to acquire talent Joe had arguably the best season in history as a quarterback has had a couple excellent but they also played relief teams. I'd have to go with a Joel Right now. I just think his durability I think that's GonNa come and question you what I don't know the extensive his injury but I've heard from many people and I've actually been been many phone calls with teams that are asking you know. I don't know him. Obviously but I've watched all the film I think both of them are going to be exceptional in the NFL. But here's the thing ourselves. Keeped us a mind that great quarterbacks one common and on denominators with a great team. There's been a lot of great quarterbacks disappear because they get stuck in a bad lights and I you know that's the biggest thing I I wanna see. I WANNA see both those quarterbacks get with a really good organization around good players and a chance to grow up. Nfl Player is obviously. They're gonNA have to adapt to a game. This much faster urban. I got a follow up that comment because Joe Borough made some comments about wanting to play for a great team that's committed to winning that's going to maximize his potential the Cincinnati bengals organization. You probably know relatively well have the first pick in the draft. They haven't had a lot of success. Only THEY WANNA play off game and more than twenty years. Haven't been super bowl since nineteen eighty-eight if you were Joe Borough in advising him. Would you be concerned about being drafted by the Cincinnati? Bengals had a nice run when MARV Louis. They just didn't win. The Dr Playoff Games and Marvin Lewis is a great friend of mine. I just couldn't take that next step gold playoffs every year. Like he did so the Bengals can do it. It's a great city. It's actually my hometown. And so I I would. I have actually talked to Joel and I think he needs to ask a lot of heart. Bustards you have to win at the end of the day. Joe Borough has to win and Joe. Borough cannot do by himself so he has to. You know I don't I don't like to use the word demand but he's she's turned all the cards right now and he needs to go. Can You WanNa Cincinnati you absolutely and when it's Cincinnati They've been not very good lately but You know I I don't know the staff they're very well I think obviously their quality coaches are. They won't be there but he's got to ask those hard questions and he has every right to ask questions and get the answer. Because he's you know you you go play quarterback on a team. That's not very good. Also you're you're a bad quarterback that's true. I when Alex Smith went to the forty niners at people said it. He was a bad quarterback. I could not believe what I was hearing. Alex Smith is not a bad. He's a great quarterback. You just got stuck in a really bad Organization at the time. I don't WanNA put words in your mouth but it sounds like you've had conversations with Joe about how to deal with the Cincinnati bengals and maybe ask some of these tough questions but not you know. That's that's his father and his inner circle. I can't stay on that. I'm a friend of JOE'S IN. I love him. I'm so proud of them and I want to see like all our players. I get so intrigued by an his first time. I've had time Jason. This year's I called a good many of our players in NFL. 'cause I was intrigued by the NFL. Wanted to why. Why in the world is our teams winning and I was actually ask those questions by some people and I wanted to at least give an educated answer. I about the culture about team meetings about expectations about accountability. All this baynes elite. Nfl Franchises have and others. Don't and so I probably talk to thirty of my former athletes and I took notes. I wanted to find out about what what tell me why they lose. Because the fan says fan of the media would say it's the bad player there's no players in the NFL. There is zero bad players in the national football league. I think they're zero bad coaches now. I think there's some really bad organizations are bad situations that are struggling at this time. But but this just to say. That's a bad quarterback a badge receiver bad lineman. They're the best of the best in college. They're not bad players. But there's something wrong there and I got it a little bit of an idea. After conversation on how with those players now a ton of attention has been given to the top quarterbacks in the draft but the D. Live out there about name of chase young from your former school. That seems like a can't Miss Prospect. Would you take over? One of these quarterbacks had a couple of these conversations he'd be one you'd think about You know I think Joe Borough is. France knows one of those late in about a year's I think he'll probably go number one but chase when when you compare him to Joey Bosa Nick. Osa To player they're dominant in the NFL. Right now and and I was obviously around those guys. Chase is probably a little more gifted if that's even hard to fathom You know he didn't have the first two years weren't quite as dominant. He had a high ankle sprain. His SECOND YEAR IS THIRTY YEARS. Dominant most dominant player in college football. But boy what I think about it. I just don't know you have to ask the roster's what quarterback because you can't win without a quarterback you can win without the best defensive end you cannot win without a excellent quarterback so I'd have to look at the roster but I would certainly consider it urban. I want to circle back to the comment. You just said before that one and you were talking about the difference between teams that win and teams that don't in the NFL. I read an interview and you were saying a lot of teams. Don't ask you questions. Don't ask the strength coach. Don't even talk to Ryan Day but they may selected Ohio state player. I think some of that comes down to concern. That coach won't be honest with the team for recruiting purposes. If you tell the truth about a kid may hurt you in recruiting down the road. How do you balance celebrating your players? That have helped you win games with being honest with an NFL team about whether that kid is right for their team plus China. That's a real real that's And we followed it that in high school recruiting as well but that's where the work relationships so important. Where if you have a great relationship with that head coach? Nfl I go. You can trust each other and you can like I do many. Nfl coaches an all. Sit Down and talk with them and as I told people in that article that you might have. Sars interview is that there are questions about whether he's six foot two or six three runs a four six. That's about his toughness about how he manages. You know Relationships off off the field. What's his social life? What's he like on fourth down? What's he like? The biggest games in lock grow all those questions only coach notes. So when I hear that I think I think that's real Jason but I think it's they're getting their information from somewhere and that was my question. This offseason my question. Where are you getting information on? People that you're going to pay upwards of ten billion dollars to if you're not talking and you can't trust the head coach and the chance of you. Making an error is very high. If you're you know once again I don't know where you're getting information is at the agent is a analytics that combine if that's where you're getting information that's there's a great chance there's GonNa be some untruths or some errors made now coach. You Express some concerns when Dwayne Haskins was leaving in terms of his maturity and landed in Washington not necessarily hitting the ground running just shit but now he has a new coaching staff in Washington. What are your expectations of? The way won't Barron. I really dont before but boy I really like him and is general manager and spend time when they asked a lot of questions about dwayne. Mike Mike what concerns about joining wasn't so much maturity's fact of lack of experience. You know you have want you have the best year arguably the best quarterback year in the history of odd state. One of the best years in college football history for quarterback however is one year and to think he's ready to go lead a franchise immediately. You know the NFL is such a different game. Such fast game. It's everybody's all star and learning a new system and you know So my concerns were only that lack of experience. I think he's GonNa be fine if they stick with them and once again. What's the common denominator is? Will they surround them with excellent players if they surround them with excellent players? You'll be a great quarterback if they don't you won't urban before we let you go. GotTa Tap into your coaching leadership. One more time sports fans a little depressed a lot of America little depress. Could you give us a little pep talk? Tell sports fans. We're going to be all right eventually after this quarantine is lifted won't absolutely and I love this country. I love the people to lead this country. I loved professionals. That are I. Watch him every night and talk to us and explain to us. What's going on? I think information is in the open Just realize every day you wake up you be very blessed grabbing and say a prayer. Say thank you that you live in the greatest Patrick Industry in the world and leave it to the professionals trust the professionals and do do they ask you to do. We'll rebound stronger. America has always rebounded stronger. You think of some of the tragedies that just occurred in our short lifetimes nine eleven. What have we came back stronger than ever more united than ever? And I'm more convinced. Now that we've all had time to reflect watch and how altriset we should be a living in this country and support this great country support each other but remember that will come out of this even stronger that that's a problem that's a that's a guaranteed in this In this great country coach appreciate it. I stick around. Don't go anywhere taking turns out of going to join us very shortly. We're GONNA talk about Terry Bradshaw on some interesting comments about Tom. Brady speak for yourself presented by Hyundai more after this to speak for yourself from the crib. Jason Whitlock Marcellus Wiley. Are we gotta keep it moving frigging Tj Hassanzadeh? Get out to his crib. Here got a great topic for you. Terry Bradshaw four times overall winner. Of course one of the greatest football broadcasts of ever at some interesting comments about Tom Brady saying he doesn't consider Tom. Brady the goat fee things that Roger Staubach Dan Marino Joe Montana and someone else on forgiving all better and more talented than Tom. Brady just not blessed to be on the same situation and found. Brady was the other guy that he listed Marcellus point here. He does because he qualified it by saying talent. So once you throw in that qualifier of talent. They you open up other quarterbacks because they obviously can't compete in terms of ACCOLADE. Tom Brady so when you start. This mentioned talent. You look at older eras. The days of yesterday those guys played against a lesser pool of athletes. Even though they were tremendous and they were gods who stood out in general. That's a lesser athlete than Tom. Brady is competing against so whatever you see of. Tom Brady and rate him turns the talent you have to bump that up based on what the errors were looking light in terms of talent before. Tom Brady from me deserves to be now. Only an accolade but putting it all together and working together. Yeah there are other guys who threw it better doing across the yard to it harder. Whatever you want to say but no one. Put the entire package together light. Tom Brady so I have to disagree. He has the point. The point is well taken. But but I've said this a thousand times. Were you get drafted to it? Matters in it helps in determining whether you're going to be a good player or great layer all time rape flare like Tom. Brady there's players in every sport Marceau's obscene players that were super talented. Get cut because mentally. They couldn't put it all together so having that mental strength and that mental capacity to be able to perform at a high level talent. What they did felt muscles has blown me away. Because I myself I need you qualify win. Was it less talented in the NFL? And I certainly believe perhaps in the nineteen sixties maybe early Seventies. But since then I can't I just be when Earl Campbell Azra plan when Rodney bacchus plan. That was a lot of talent in his own credit man. It's all relative you could say. It's a lot of talent in the seventies compared to the sixties. But it's not a lot of talent in the seventies compared to now like dig about it. How many guys you think on the D. Line in the seventies ran under four or five? You might give derive and I don't even think you've got five zero zero. Now you look at it. You'll get a now common place this Doosan highschool right now like all right. I'm coming. They had old lyme in an a low two hundreds now you can't even step on the film if UK move at three hundred odd just talking in a perspective. Let me help you understand it. Crystallizes look at the NBA and eighties. those Aligarh Rocco soccer robots compared to these cats? Now the knife man on the team right now. We'll go in the eighties. Nba Get buckets. And if you don't believe that if you don't believe that back in Twenty Thirty Years Watch is going to look to stopping. Tj Out of town and Guy for better. Larry Bird Medi. John Was Magda hell out of both for even having this conversation. I don't WanNA get smacked so we're going to commercial break Dante. Foul shot on new Atlanta Falcons defensive in he's going to join US neck. Fowler from the creative speaker yourself presented by Hyundai more after this. I want to speak for yourself from the CRIB. Jason Whitlock Marcellus Wiley. We're about to pull up in Miami Florida. Dante Fowler's Crib Dante foul of the newest member of the Atlanta Falcons. Louis the newest multi multi multi multi multimillionaire Dante. This shown. Let's I ask about your quarantine routine. What have you done? What's the best thing you've done to break up the boredom of the quarantine? Well I have my two boys at home while I I want to tell you guys. Thank you for having fresh law by you know. Every dow ago our boys Breslin Center. We'll go outside running around this. How fun not around and stuff like that but usually I just go down. Put them down. Rest eat lunch and then after that. When wake up I go out and work out in a basically Swift me you know. Do ladder drills do sprint since stuff with me Can really do these quarantine days so I'm GonNa have a nice backyard outside so it's really a good move around and stuff like that. I have a lot space now. Take -gratulations wants to get on a mega deal but spend some of that money on your pre-take phone. I don't know what's going on with this song and going home video man my baby. He dropped my phone so it's cracked in in the front. I'm so sorry guys are committed job and I got four kids. I know the problems but we ask something accommodated. I didn't know a tradition. Florida that started around the Chucky doll. Now you're Florida two thousand Levin. Yeah right I was with a Chucky doll in nineteen ninety seven and when I saw you guys had tradition with the Chucky doll. Take me through how you guys came about. Finding out crazy dominated easily. He started it. Yeah that's crazy. Our Yard. Did snazzy movie came out. That's crazy now. I did Dominique Easley. He'll he started out first and when he left he gave me to check. Dow is when you know he always live policy and stuff like that and I look out my mentor when I was at. Us and You know when he left he gave it to To you know proud of it in a tradition that of not because of my play you know. Kinda describe secular Violent annual like that. So we just pass it on down to the players at us as well and it's probably still ball so that's pretty cool. I didn't know you did that. I'll get so high. All you gotTa do is say little took go to hear a lot of do our big move you made a big move to Atlanta. This offseason big new contract. You've stated you WANNA break Michael Strahan sack record man. That's a lot of pressure. Are you ready for the increased expectations? That come along with that contract and wanted to bring Strahan's record. Well I I just want to put it out like that said that you know. That's the goal you know they. Actually you know how many sexual I want. I said well I don't have a number but goal is always you know. Beat Mike Straight Hands Record with his twenty two and a half sacks and it takes a lot of work to do that when I never said that I'm going to get to two and a half sacks but I'm definitely GONNA get double digit sacks in do everything that has to do to get to the quarterbacks in a first off I just want to thank you know missy Dmitrov The owner and also you know the president of Atlanta Falcons Fridges. Giving me this opportunity in you know. Believe in it needs to be that guy you know. So go in. No help. Disdain descends to help the franchise Be where they want to get super bowls being playoffs and be a winning team so I just want to appreciate And I know you know. The expectations are super high. That's something that I know. I'm already for no throughout my career. Not thanks that I've been through on that. I learned growing inside. I went through and also the players that have been playing with that last Campbell. Aaron Donald Good guys that Had opportunity to play grow with no see how they cared us. Oh from reasoning. Why they're all a pros have athletes that they have and I think you know right. Now is the right time in the right opportunity from your show. You know the Atlanta Falcons in everybody else. You know the guy that I was brought into elite to be now Dante seven and a half sacks last year so you and took you were working last year. Why did things together like they did for you last year? I think it was because of just opportunities that had you know the more reps that I had on the field You know I should being a four time started expanding the amount that I have played that season in also plan with Aaron Donald Michael Brokers and Clay Matthews on San a dominant Sovereign in a really good coach He just turned me. Let me be the guy that I wanted to be an issue in season. I think is just the beginning. I actually look. This is like my freshman campaign notice. My I should really get out there. I think you know my body compare twists a guy that's sixers league way more fresher than a guy that's been no starting for six years straight so. I feel like I have a lot of advantages Seasonal we just you know. The amount of staff play with You know in my Gross Ashwell. No bene- player on the film you reference playing alongside Aaron Donald Marcellus Reverend. You have it comes together for you this year. It leads to the question. The Rams wanted to retain you wanted to keep you. Why Lee la why leave Barron? Donald I would never leave Barron. But she knows the business And I understand the business and is this something that I had the opportunity that I couldn't you know. Take up We were in a talk. Show something out but you know this came news opportunity that I had you know Opportunity to just been waiting for you. Know Been Dreaming About Got took him from you so now that I have it again. Knocking away Also like to write city to be around right a culture in a right Oprah's With the Atlanta Falcons. I decided to take a very quickly. We're out of time here but Dan Quinn. I would imagine played a big part in that. He was part of the College coaching staff in Florida. When you were there really close you hate Thanksgiving dinner. Weady the whole was that a big part of the reason. Yeah definitely get I remember talking. You know when I was coming into the drought and there was not a pig in. I ended up getting drafted number three. I felt like I was gonna go farther to eight so just to have this opportunity to be with them. He knows a guy that I am my family. He knows what type of family I come from this guy. I mean this coach. You know he's been each came to my house. You know When I was a child In High School so no me with them. I know I can't let him down. I'm so a certain standard with him. He taught me a lot of things in. This is a perfect bagged. I take good luck in Atlanta that you're going to. I'm sure I've got out of bed. Says the best man appreciate it? Jim is going to be here well. What approval rating on Donovan Mitchell? Speak for yourself from the CRIP more to this to speak for yourself from the crib. Jason Whitlock Marcellus Wiley. Happy Friday everyone. Let's go out to uncle. Jimmy's crib on our radio for Donovan. Mitchell ooh Donovan upset with Rudy Gobert about the corona virus uncle. Jimmy you have any thoughts on Donovan. Mitchell Rudy Gobert. Their relationship perhaps unsalvageable. Okay Man. I'm GonNa tell you what. Y'All gonna sit up here politically. Erected guy won't do man Jimmy. You got to keep it real okay. Donovan. Mitchell got every right in the world to be mad at Rudy. Kobe damning bears a grown ass. Man What the hell he doing kissing and licking on a microphone like as a red white and blue bomb pop on a hot sunny day twist he gotta get everybody else all mixed up in his business rooted copay went in the Locker Room at candy main three times and said look nuts document. Nba season. Father we'll be back on Monday. Hold candyman Stephen.

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Episode 60 - I want my kids to be healthy and succeed!  What is the Best Predictor of Their Success?

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02:03 min | 1 year ago

Episode 60 - I want my kids to be healthy and succeed! What is the Best Predictor of Their Success?

"Welcome to the warrior. Marriage and family podcast. Gas Name is Dr Gilbert and I believe your marriage and your family are worth fighting for. My goal is to empower you to fight for matters. Most this podcast is about you. Your family family your marriage and your children and will include interviews and teaching on a biblical ethicon sexuality and gender. I want you to know that you're not alone. That others of walk walk down the same road and there is victory. Let's get into today's episode. Did you know that one of the most important predictors of your kids. Success at health is actually your marriage. I know it comes down to us. How we're doing with our spouse or partner impacts our children it impacts our sense of stability it impacts their inner their body and terms of their ability to react to situations to think more clearly to follow a memories is to handle their own stress. And they do have their own stress. So if you want to know one of the absolute keys to your children's success assess it's going to be your marriage if you want to know what we need to invest in. Its in your marriage. This is a number one priority for you to actually have a marriage this thriving leaving so that your kids can do the same doctor. Corey Gobert thank you for tuning into the where or your marriage and family podcast has been honored to serve. Find out more about resources for you and your family's growth and success at healing lives dot com thank you to our sponsor. The healthy marriage inner circle. You can join the conversation. My Free facebook group anytime at facebook dot com slash groups slash. The healthy marriage tracks S.. My new best selling book for parents go could you. I can't say that DOT COM to purchase. receive the idea of for free. Remember the your marriage and family are worth fighting for. Dr Gilbert. See you next time.

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Hour 1: NBA Suspends Season

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Hour 1: NBA Suspends Season

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Get up spell Bambi B. A. M. B. E. dot com slash. Get up. Good Morning. We get up together on this day in a different place last night an NBA player tested positive for the corona virus and the League shuts down no games for now. Where does it all go from here for this sport? And for all the others. There were a lot of questions this morning and we will provide as many answers as we can as we get up with you on this day and we thank you for getting up with us on. Espn and you see the group that we have here. And there'll be many more. And I'm very cognizant of the fact that for one years now one way or another you have been getting up with me and I will promise you that we will bring you the very latest on the information going around. The World of sports says this is a very different day. It started at nine thirty eastern last night. Actually it started before that. Let me take you to the events where the season was suspended between the jazz and the thunder. This game being played in Oklahoma City or scheduled to be played. That's Chris Paul. And the thunder they were scheduled to start tip was scheduled for just after eight o'clock eastern time at eight ten seconds before the ball was to be thrown in the air. You saw Chris. Paul asking the jazz bench where Rudy Go. Bear was an if he was sick over at the arena. After feeling ill and then just four minutes later this announcement was made has been postponed leaving the arena tonight and do so in an orderly fashion. Thank you for coming out tonight. We ARE ALL SAFE. Despite the understandable frustration that you heard in the initial reaction from the fans. The fans did leave in an orderly fashion. They're not seem to be any issues there and as they did with the word that Rudy Gobert had tested positive for the corona virus. The court was roped off workers spraying down seats. The thunder players were allowed to leave the arena about two hours later. It was five hours after to ten in the morning when the Utah players finally left the arena at nine thirty eastern last night the NBA released a statement quote the NBA announced that a player on the Utah. Jazz has preliminarily tested positive for Cova. Nineteen the test result was reported shortly prior to the tip off. Tonight's game between the Jazz and the Oklahoma City Thunder at Chesapeake Energy Arena. At that time tonight's game was cancelled the affected player was not in the arena the NBA is suspending game. Play following the conclusion of tonight's schedule of games until further notice the NBA will use this hiatus to determine next steps for moving forward in regard to the corona virus pandemic and we'll begin our coverage with Adrian origin. Asking and Brian. Win On tour here are NBA. Insiders will start with you. How did the League arrive at this decision? Last night well once Rudy. Gobert had tested positive. And you knew at the very least you had a team in the Utah Jazz now. That was going to have to be in self containment that you can't play schedule. And they knew that they were going to be players in other teams who had competed against him who had to be tested and just hours before Greenie. Adam had been on a conference call with the Board of Governors essentially his owners and they had largely come to a consensus that the way they would proceed would be to continue playing games. Beduso without fans. And that's what I was told that him silver was likely going to announce today but that all changed with Rudy. Go bears positive test almost immediately. Adam silver made the decision to suspend play. And that's where the League is as of this morning on hiatus and windy. You had told us yesterday here that this was the reason for removing the fans from the arena. This was the reason for keeping the media out of the locker room because they knew that once any player did test positive that this would be the result. Yeah I think the League was a little bit of denial here. We saw statements out of Cleveland. They said No. We have great air exchangers and we can purify the air. Yesterday we saw the mayor call for. No major gatherings and the wizards put out a statement. Saying no we're going to still do it but I will say the was a head on something. They advise their teams within the last week to set up procedures to get corona virus testing. We saw Steph Curry. Get the flu last week. He got a corona virus. Testing was cleared on Saturday and because those provisions were in place when Gobert tested negative influence a they were able to get him a corona virus test and they were able to get the the result back fast enough to stop the game and now one of the thing. That's going to happen in the League today. You mentioned the teams of the jazz played but the teams that the jazz played the playbook for teams the officials the entire league last night was shaken but because they were able to have those procedures in place. We now have done what we needed to do. Which is to stop playing and that is a good thing. I know it feels bad and it feels scary but it is the correct thing to do. And it's a positive thing going forward and we try and spin it forward as best. We can because we all understand that we're in an area of great unknown. But what is the League's plan from here? Well that was the question teams. Were really slamming the League office with last night and they were told. Just sit tight. Let's get through the night and we'll have some more direction for you tomorrow. The least been working on a number of contingencies. Four weeks now in the event that this happened there were plenty of teams that I talked to in the last week to ten days. Who believe that. This was going to happen that there would be a stoppage in play. That Games would be missed that it was inevitable and while the league hope that could continue and do so without fans they were prepared for this possibility. So what you're seeing now and what you're going to see is going to have to be a lot of cooperation among teams. This is a league when you just look at this from a financial standpoint. Boehner's have lost a lot of money this year based on the fractured relationship in China. And they're going to lose significantly more money and the players are GONNA LOSE MONEY. Because they share they share in the revenue. And so there's going to be a hit on all sides and so what is going to happen now in? What has already started to happen. Is I trying to get a sense that they're not going to know when they don't know today when they can start playing again? But what are the playoffs? GonNa look like. Are they going to have to move the season into the summer? Are they going to have to delay the start of next season based on when this season could possibly end those are all the conversations that are going on and they're not going to have a clear answer until until they know it is safe again to be able to players organizations back to work? I think it is safe to suggest that we're closer to the beginning of this process. Then we are the end Roach. Thank you very much Wendy. Sit Tight I have a lot more for you as we continue. But we need to get to the medical piece of this Laurel Road reported yesterday Jazz Center Rudy. Gobert tested positive for corona virus on Monday. See it right there. After speaking with the media go bare purposely. Touch reporter microphones and recorders before leaving the podium table so just to show the impact of go. Bears Positive Cova nineteen tests. The jazz have played six games in March all in different cities Cleveland New York Boston. Detroit Salt Lake City and Oklahoma City. If you factor in the teams they played and then the subsequent teams. They played all thirty teams. Have come in contact with someone who played with or against Rudy Gobert. We are joined now by Dr Jennifer Ashton who serves as the chief medical correspondent for ABC News. And let's begin Dr Ashton with the Rudy Gobert. How concerned should the NBA be about other players getting corona virus? Now that Gobert has tested positive. Well listen obviously. I'm not the medical consultant for the NBA. But I think that it is pretty common sense that not just the basketball league but any league anyone who has responsibility for thousands and thousands of people. I think are taking it seriously. I think you know one player testing positive right now to be clear you know. We expect more to be honest with you. This is a sport and an environment where there's prolonged very close contact Obviously and and by the way contact not just between players but also fans and officials and coaching staff. So we expect to see more cases as we're able to test more but I think aggressive measures that enforce basic common sense. Social distancing are really important now not just for the individual community but for broader community in our population. In general. Yeah you mentioned the fans how concerned some of the fans be that may have just given high fives to some of their favorite players in the arenas I mean I think that at this point no more concerned than they would be you know in their grocery store or in their communities environments. I think that right now. It's just important to note that for every one case you hear about there could be ten or fifty or a hundred more that you don't hear about Because we do know that this is a respiratory pathogen that appears to be highly transmissible and there are some people who will be infected. That don't even have symptoms or have such mild symptoms that they never seek medical attention and testing. So I think you know this is just an example. A high profile example of how this is spreading in this country and for people who think that you know reports have been over hyped or actions. Have been over hyped. You know in medicine and science. We always have to err on the side of caution and since we don't know a lot of history on this virus because it is so new. I think that's why you're seeing such aggressive measures being taken out of an abundance of caution. Excellent perspective Dr Jennifer Ashton chief medical correspondent for ABC News. Thanks for joining us. Thanks news spread quickly around the NBA last night while other games were in progress. That at nine thirty three eastern time was the shocked reaction of Mark Cuban after he was shown an email from the league office announcing the suspension of the regular season. Here is what Cuban and others had to say about it. This is people's lives at stake. This isn't about basketball. This isn't about the mavericks this isn't about. When do we start or do we start? Or How do we start? This is this is a pandemic global pandemic. Where people's lives were at stake in a lot. More worried about my kids. And My mom who's eighty two years old and talking to her and telling her to stay in the House then. I am about when we plan our next game. You think it's it's not gonNa Affect us where the NBA. It one of our players virus and you know who knows what that means for their team and the other teams have been with them. So you really get concerned for. Just what's going on not just here in the NBA? But the in the entire world. It's these are things that you watch movies. You know you watch a movie about this stuff and now we're living and trying to take a day by day and figure out how to how to move forward and get some clarity shows you how fragile it is here. It is a a player that is in our lead to a lot of players have come in contact with So that's a concern and that that's the prudent as wise prudent for Adam to suspend the season to get hold of and get a grasp of it. Here's some other reaction on social media. Evan Forty of the magic was just on the phone with Rudy Meaning. Gobert he is doing good man. Let's not panic everyone love you all. Lebron James tweeted man. We're cancelling sporting events. School office work. What we really need to cancel is twenty twenty dam. It's been a rough three months. God bless and stay safe Steph. Curry tweeted twenty twenty eight. I don't know what to compare the situation to. There's got to buckle up and take care of yourself from those around you basketball. We'll be back at some point but right now protect yourself and stay safe out there. Let's bring this to our table here to discuss. And we have a couple of former players here Matt Barnes and J J. I'll start with you when you saw this last night and obviously this is something that we have been talking about in the lead up to it. What was your reaction first? Off is sad for us as a society that this happened to Tom. Hanks Rita Wilson Rudy Gobert. Nba Player for us to take this whole thing very seriously. It's been happened to a lot of people have big names and it's been going on for a while secondly it. This is unprecedented for the League. And I agree with you. Two things can both be true at once. They have made provision. Nba Did make provisions and they were allowed to have that kind of care for guys extension courier to care for her to go bear to get tested but in the same breath they also drag their feet a little bit on this guys and I. I think we have to be realistic about this. The fact that they didn't have one uniform decision so you're not allowing fans to be in the building but still the players you don't know who they've been in contact with you don't know who their family members who being contact with or friends but you allow them to play at the fact that they had split decisions from different entities from the Washington Wizards from the Cleveland cavs as opposed to Golden State Golden. Say He's not playing well. The mayor of the city of San Francisco deemed them eligible to play so I kind of think that's somewhat of a reflection on the league civil a lot of room to go adam silver just to make a uniform decision from the beginning about this should have been nipped in the bud from the beginning guys. I think the fact that the only positives to pick off Jay said about Rudy Gobert or Rita Wilson and. Tom Hanks having it is now that we're going to have people of some sort of stature. It'll be monitored so we're going to be able to see how serious their their symptoms are in the prostate. Recover or how okay. Well if we handle it. Abc You should be okay so like. I said the fact that they're celebrities that have it. I think it'll be closely monitored or we're going to be able to get a real scale of how serious diseases you had told us yesterday. Matt that we're right up to you. As a player he would prefer to suspend games and then play them an empty arena. I just thought we needed to take a step back and really find out more information about this. This is unprecedented territory. You know. We're in uncharted waters right now and this is something that's never been done so as we've been reporting essay. China took certain route. You know we needed to just take a step back. Sports is not the end all be all we need to take a step back and really figure out what we're dealing with you guys just as a player at least you were incentivize. You can make millions of dollars when I look at the. Ncaa tournament all right. You're still working out name image and likeness state-by-state. Let me just say. Let me get a piece of advice to the NC Double A. Thank you Brian and the players championship but everybody else don't be late be early yes shut it down. That is what absolutely has to happen. There is not negotiation. I don't even know what they're waiting for. Shut it down the game was I hear. And they're fortunate and some something else the league's Deta gratitude to mark Cuban because that was a billionaire. Who'S A team owner? Who was willing to come out in front of the cameras and be a voice of the league last night and not only did he say that you need to take care of the players and the family he's going to take care of the arena workers. That was a billionaire. Say you take care of the arena. Workers Mark Cuban. So while you're right I do think the NBA was a little bit sluggish in Cuban. I assume was on that call yesterday where they were the decisions and the fact that he was still shocked says where the where the where their head space was but he is now moving forward. I agree we need to move forward with the rest of the sports too. Yeah so we're GONNA get to the NCAA momentarily but China does have a blueprint for this and they did suspend their best basketball operations what can the US in the NBA take from and realize it's not apples to apples. China the very different but all I can say this China Shut Down Their Basketball Association. The CBA in middle January. They've been down for ten weeks. They are now calling their players back after ten weeks and hoping to play in early April. There is a light at the end of the tunnel. That is our example. We'll have basketball again and the NBA has asked their teams to give their availability of their arenas through August first. We're going to have basketball. We can't focus on that right now but we're going to have it okay. You mentioned the NCWA treatment which is obviously right around the corner where in the conference championship week as we speak and the men's and women's NCWA tournaments are both scheduled to begin next week and at this Point Conference Championship Games will continue but many of them will be played without fans yesterday afternoon the NC double a. announced that both the men's and women's tournament will also be played without fans in the arena. And W president. Marc Emmers released this statement quote while I understand how disappointing this is for all fans of our sports. My decision is based on the current understanding of how covert one thousand nine is progressing in the United States and the decision is in the best interest of public health including that of coaches administrators fans and most importantly our student athletes. Here's some more reaction from some of the coaches beginning with Roy Williams. This is a scary time period. But I don't want to try to get in and evaluate. What should be done with the with the College Basketball Hall again? We have very intelligent people. That'll make the right decision. This is unbelievable. Interesting Times as we move forward but again I go back kids. Just they love to play and they love to compete and I think they'll really play their backsides off. Even though it'll be echo and in their tomorrow you played again when you're young because you love the game coach game because you love the game you don't get into the game to play it because other people are going to be watching you so so that's not why you get into a play. Of course the older you get in the more the more the more prevalent that is to you that becomes part of we need to get back to our our child routes and play with the same enthusiasm that we would if we're playing shirts and skins in the park like we used to. You should see this moment by the way. It was a scary one last night at the big ten tournament. Nebraska's coach Fred. Hoiberg visibly ill on the bench. During his team's game against Indiana. He would leave the bench with four minutes left and was taken to a local hospital where he was diagnosed with influenza. That is the flu or bird has been released from the hospital and return to the team hotel. All of that is according to a statement released by the university. So that's where we stand again the men's and women's NCWA tournaments both begin next week. J You touched on it but the floor here. What are your thoughts? We have to have a big picture perspective here and not be narrow minded not think short term gains and when I think about the incidentally tournament I hear what Bill Self saying. And he's he's accurate. Look guys can play. You can build up my thing is. You're played a game of Basketball Guard. Bars. I'm sweating all over Barnes. He's breathing all over me and the NBA has set the precedent about what this is going to be the NCW needs to do the same. Like I said before my original point at least in the NBA. You're incentivize. You can make millions of dollars but now what you're saying is as we're still working on this name image and likeness scenario state by state. We're still trying to figure out whether that's going to happen or not. Now we're going to ask players to jeopardize their health. You're going to say well. Immediate family members or administration. I don't know where these immediate family members are ministrations or the players have been but not to jeopardize my health and play for something and I'm not getting paid for it anyway. I think it's crazy for once. We need to put the month to put the money decide. The money's always the motive in sports at the end of the day. It's about you know the bottom line and I think for once we need to put to the side and put the health the players and their families first and foremost whilst I agree with everything. Both of you have said there will be people including players. We heard from the kid at Harvard. Who will say the kids WANNA play? They want to play what you say to those people. I said that they are seventeen. Eighteen and nineteen year. Okays Kid twenty year old kids in our job. As adults people had those experiences to sit them and reason with them and help them understand the practicality of the matter and this is a rabbit virus growing very quickly and we need to think about this holistically and not just short term gain and look. Hoiberg ends up only having influenza aid but but either way that's not a great look to have an adult coach on the sideline coaching through stuff. Jay said it's tough for these kids a lot of these college because last time ever playing basketball. So you gotta understand where they're coming from the passion they WANNA play but at the same time we have to understand that this is bigger than sports right now and we knew really worried about our safety and our families. We're just getting started in our coverage of this this morning as we continue the situation in Oklahoma City seemed surreal on social media and on television as the game was postponed. What was it like inside the arena? We will ask someone who was there and then Major League baseball has some decisions to make in the days ahead as well. What steps is baseball considering to keep players and fans safe bus only will answer that question and more as we continue? You're watching get up on. Espn our coverage continues this morning on. Get up in five minutes. A game postponed just seconds before tip off. What was it like in the arena? We will go live to. Oklahoma City was Major. League baseball preparing. We will talk to buster only and then Charles Barkley will join us live in twenty minutes with his reaction to the NBA suspending. Its season all that and more as we continue. Get up on. Espn WE are back on. Get up and that's Phil Mickelson on driving range the players championship in Ponte Vedra beach. Florida is underway. The players are on the course or some of them are spectators are permitted at the event although there will not be autographs signed. We'll keep you posted on the events. Their covert nineteen of course is having a major impact on sports the NCW making headlines early yesterday announcing its decision to ban fans from its championships including the men's and women's basketball tournaments which are both set to start next week the NHL said they expect to provide an update today. While the blue jackets announced the remainder of their home games will be closed to the public baseball. The five California teams. We'll have to move home games through the end of March to meet California's recommendation. To postpone or cancel large gatherings the mariners. Meanwhile we'll move home games after Washington banned large group events in the NBA. Of course taking these significant step up suspending their season last night indefinitely after we reported that Rudy Gobert tested positive for the corona virus. It was a bizarre scene last night in Oklahoma City. The news breaking about Gobert literally seconds before tip off of game scheduled between the jazz and the thunder and the game was then postponed. Go there was not in the arena but players were sent back to the locker rooms fans were told to leave the arena at that point and again it was a very strange spectacle to say the very least. Let's bring our Royce young from Oklahoma City into the conversation. Here Roy were constantly tweeting updates about this. Throughout the night saying the jazz team buses finally left the arena around two fifteen a m eastern time. What is the latest? You can tell us about this morning. As of about at least within the Hour Greenie the the Utah. Jazz are still after hotel. It's the twenty one hotel not far from the arena here and they're basically waiting the results for the testing that they did on team and team personnel should be coming back soon or maybe they possibly even have it at this point. But they're making determinations on now how to get the team back to Salt Lake City and when they might leave Oklahoma City to do that and one of those options. I'm told from sources close to the situation is maybe taking two separate charter planes. One of them being a positive test plane for corona virus and the other being a negative test plane for Corona virus and once the team gets back to Salt Lake City that they would have hotels arranged that would be set up to quarantine the players in again a positive hotel and negative hotel but as it stands right now. The jazz are still in Oklahoma City. Trying to figure out their next steps based on what the results may indicate. We've done our best to show the video this morning in place. Some of the reaction. How would you describe what it was like in the arena last night? Well I WANNA say it was chaos panic because it really was handled quite well but if you just kind of rewind to the sequence of events greeny and and how it led to the point of the NBA season eventually getting suspended. I'm sitting there pre game watching players Warm up on the court Donovan. Mitchell warming up Danilo gallois's warming up ballboys or rebounding them. All touching the same ball passing it back and forth fans in the stands all touching this little soft. Mesh basketball shooting take turns with each other. And then you fast forward to Rudy. Gobert is questionable with an illness. Quin Snyder initially ruled him out then said that he was not. He claimed that he misheard the question and said that Gobert was still questionable. Before tip off there was confusion on that front and then thirty minutes after that. The game is postponed in shutdown. And we come to find out that Rudy. Gobert has the corona virus. So all of that kind of sequencing of events I think kind of goes to show how how many unknowns there were in the arena last night Leading up to the NBA season eventually being postponed and suspended. So you know as it stands right now. I think you're sitting there with the Utah Jazz six hours after the postponement of the game. Still in the arena. The thunder are sent home. And they're literally just a hallway away so it was. There were a lot of circumstances that were as one thunder official told me it felt like that there was. The League was caught a little bit flat footed with the situation in terms of their prep preparation very quickly. What are the reaction? Did you hear from people involved last night? Yeah I think that you know one of the things that Most people felt the situation was handled as well as it could be on the ground within the arena but again when it comes to the League's preparation you know. The the Board of Governors have their meeting at that point. Green there was just talk about Playing games with no fans. You know I'm asking Stephen Adams questions at a podium. And he's talking about how bizarre it might be to play a game with no fans and then you fast forward thirty minutes after that and now there's no NBA season to be played so a lot of people were just caught off guard and again. That's that's kind of the messaging that I was given is that people just didn't expect what was to come and again they were caught flat-footed. Sean thank you so much for this and obviously you'll continue to cover for us and we will come back to you as needed. I'll come to the table here and windy as he was talking. I saw you multiple times sort of nodding your head along. We actually did you. Bear was listed as questionable because if he had tested negative for Corona virus intended to play now whether they would have let them play a different thing. But this is why you gotTa shut down. Because here's a guy I mean Rudy feeling okay. He he's he's he's healthy. He feels healthy. That's why you can't have these guys. Continue to play a game because you have people who don't know they have it who are still playing. That's why there's got to be leadership. Shown here the I need to ask you because I'm GonNa put you into the area now of guessing and none of us know exactly where any of this is headed. But what is your best? Guess as to how this plays out in the immediate future and the days to come said the the NBA right now is dealing with an outcry from their players. Their players were very shaken last night. They gotTA deal with their staff and players. I was in contact the staff members. Who AT Games? Last night you had to go home and explain to their wives and their families what to do. They've got to deal with just the insolent right here. What's right in front of them and comfort that layer and get those people protected then they can go out and that needs to be being done at the college level in other all other places that say something. That really bothered me last night. I saw such hate that was being spewed for Rudy Gay. I mean for thirty bear on social media and needs to stop right like we all been ignorant. Everybody's May Games everybody's play games about this to a certain degree. People make jokes about it all the time like we should have been taken this a lot more seriously and this is where leadership comes into play guy so I get worried about Zach Lowe who we work with who is in close confines Rudy. Gobert worry about all the staffers. All the players like this is way bigger than just the players. It's about everybody's how if you're trump put yourself in. The position of some of the players were now what? What do you think you would be concerned with right now family? You know I'm a father. Three Little Boys. You know what I mean. So my first and foremost Concern is anything. I'm around my teammates with. I can possibly give to my kids so I think what we're taking the right steps as we mentioned yesterday that I didn't think it was important enough to take the fans away to me. We have to really just take a step back and find out exactly what we're dealing with and I think we're headed in the right direction with that game so that's the latest from the NBA. We'll continue to cover that as we go. Meanwhile other sports have to deal with this as well. Laura let's go there greeding. Switzer attention to Major League Baseball. You mentioned five minutes ago a few minutes ago. The five California teams will have to move home games to the end of March to meet California's recommendation to postpone or cancel. Large gatherings the mariners will move home games after Washington banned large group events. There are still one hundred. Eighty eight spring training games left on the schedule for more on this we bring in buster only investor. What is Major League Baseball? Considering to combat the spread of the corona virus as we approach the sort of the season. I think Major League Baseball feels like it has a little bit more time to make an informed decision for the circumstances to gain some clarity. They have a conference call scheduled with teams on Friday. We expect an update later today. All of that of course could be accelerated at the team level. There's an anticipation that Major League. Baseball soon will address these large crowd gatherings and their two options they could potentially play regular season games and empty stadiums or they could just postponed the start of the season. Thirteen Spring Training Games on the schedule today. What are some of the underlying teen concerns as they do? Consider this decision buster. Yeah and they're asking a lot of practical questions or questions of practicality they got guidelines for Major League Baseball yesterday trying to define for example non essential personnel but Major League baseball official team officials are asking questions like wait a second. We can try to keep the players safe when they're in the clubhouse but then they go out into the communities at the end of every day they talk to people they live their lives. They come back into the clubhouse are they more at risk because they gather every day. We've heard every spring about a flu going through clubhouse players essentially taking on a an illness and it affecting the whole traveling party so at the team level. They're asking. Is this a good thing to have? These players gathered together every day. Is they go through their work and have the latest from Buster Olney. How BASEBALL IS COMBATING CORONA VIRUS? We'll have more on baseball's approach and our next hour. Thanks so much for joining us. Maverick's owner Mark Cuban found out about the suspension of the NBA season seated near his bench. His thoughts on this situation coming up next as you see his reaction stunned by the news. This is get up on. Espn crispy and then there's crispy fish try our new and improved Tyson crispy chicken strips crispy just got crispy her if you are just getting up with us this morning. News spread quickly last night around the NBA about the announcement that the League is suspending. Its Games at nine thirty three eastern. You saw the reaction there of Mark Cuban after he was shown an email from the league office announcing the suspension. Tom Rinaldi caught up with Cuban. Courtside this is crazy. I mean we're GonNa Realm of possibilities just to see more like out of a movie than Reality Trust that I mean it's really not about basketball money. I mean literally if if this thing is just exploding into the point where you know all of a sudden players and others have had it you think about your family you know you want to really make sure you're doing the right way bigger than just NBA. Hopefully we'll get to see. Don't where we talked about getting the season back on track. Dummies all got worked out rights at that. Maybe we understand more about it. And it'll be less of an issue for the entire world The Basketball Hall of Famer and TNT analysts. Charles Barkley is good enough to spend a few minutes with us on the phone this morning. Charles. We very much appreciate that. And I would just like to give you the floor. First and foremost Reuters your reaction to what we saw last night. Well number one. You guys are doing tactic job especially on the flock. 'cause this is unprecedented territory is scary. I just hope everybody's safe it's whole rudy. Gobert pain get scared because you gotta do the fantastic job with show where he's been like the last ten days. I mean they were in in five or six different states in the last week and I thank goodness. They didn't let him play that game last night. Because you know. Brian said something grief Rudy Gobert was gonNA. He was questionable. He was gonNA play last night. You had the guy who appreciated the jazz game last week. He was GonNa work the pelicans kings games last night and these guys have been around their families. They've been around their kids have been around all the workers in the locker room I I give Adamson of a lot of credit mandate. Let's shut them down and try to figure it out and I must say that. I'm probably going to get in trouble because I work for Turner and March Madness and CBS. I think the NBA the Turner Sports and CBS. Got To close down March. That McMahon. Because you can't have these players even if there's no fans diem you can't have these players breathing on each other but two weeks you are. They walking even if they had a hotel. They're GONNA be in different cities around the country and I hate to say it like I said I probably shouldn't say because I work with CBS. I think we're GONNA shut down March madness until we know more Charles. I think all of us on our set agree with that sentiment. I would like to voice. What I know would be the opposition to it. However for the sake of playing devil's advocate which would be to say you know these kids want to play in these games than it is for many of them once in a lifetime experience. What do you say to someone who would pose that to you well? I don't think that's the problem. I think that my company gotTa Bite the Bullet Greedy I. I know the kids WANNA play. But we can't have these kids like think about it Greenie. These kids are sweating breathing leaning on each other. That's gonna I mean that's crazy and even if the if you lose you go back home. You don't have you got the virus for a week or two but the problem is going to be. I think we pay a billion dollars for March madness. I think the right thing to do is for us to honor contract with. They play these games. It's really just about they don't they. WoN'T THAT BILLION DOLLAR CHECK? Let's be realistic. I think that we gotta say you know what everybody's made a lot of money. We don't have to bite the bullet because you know that billion dollars paid full a lot of sports. I think we're going have to bite the but as you know what these kids been great to us by other let's pay the NCW billions of dollars a billion dollars. But that's what we pay for March madness but that paper all the programs at the other school at these schools. But we can't we can't have these kids out there running and breathing on each other put three weeks and like I say 'cause the problem is you can't test for it right away and if you let's say you play. These things are still planned today. They can affect somebody when they go back home next week. They don't make March madness. They really have to commend. You for person in your position that you would take that stand without indomitable will that you just did. I think we have to save these kids from themselves but chuck how do you? How do you feel about this whole year? In general I mean we've had the China situation. We've had the passing of David Stern. We've had the passing of Kobe Bryant. Now we have the corona virus. It seems one hit after another for the League. Yeah you know Jay will. It's been a very difficult year with commissioned sermon. That was a good punch because I came into the lead with Commissioner Stern. He was amazing he when he was getting on my behind. He was amazing and the thing and the Kobe when that happened. Man I just cry like a baby I mean call the whatnot. Great friends but I if I felt like I lost a family member and then the losers young beautiful daughter and no seven other souls. It's been a very difficult year. And they're staying here. We're all like I WANNA take. You guys are doing amazing job. I could all I can do is watch you guys and nobody has to answer. We're we're trying to handle all these. What is on the fly but I think the best thing the best thing would like. Hey guys we have no idea what the hell is going to happen next less. Shut everything down. And let's take a deep breath because right now We can't have these players out. There affects them themselves. The referees I mean because like I say I don't I'm not like like I know anything about being a doctor but to have these big old news out there sweating known each other breathing on each other's for the next three weeks. That can't be safe in any shape or form. Charles. You'RE NOT GONNA get in trouble because you're showing leadership which is what we need from people of empower right now just because it posts gets postponed doesn't mean it's not going to be played. We're going to change the calendar here. But we're going to have to pause. We're going to be okay looking. I if you look. What'S IN CABINET KOREAN? Look what's happening in China. We're going to be okay. I would say people are going to be affected. But we're GONNA be okay. We're going to be able to get back to it but there needs to be leadership right now to mitigate the leadership that has shown in sports and in the government. But that's a different topic in sports in the next few hours can set the tone for the way this is going to go and so I commend Charles for showing leadership and I encourage others in power to show the same leadership via believe the. Go ahead go ahead. Sorry let me. Just say that Brian and you know Jay Ingredient Greenie one of the greatest things that I live is we all make a lot of it causes sports but negative thing about it is. Everybody wants to money. Air Bodies degreen. It's GonNa take tremendous courage because a lot of people make a lot of money on March madness and that the NCW has got this Alexei CBS. Do I work on? I think we should honor our deal And I'd say it's not my billion dollar check the right. I understand that but we got to look at the Big Picture. We gotTA show leadership. But like I say it's all GonNa come down to the Almighty dollar. I hate to say that. But that's just a fact and like I say I've never had a billion dollars so it's not mine to give away but listen I just think the right thing to do as a hey guys. Let's break this thing off. When you had a great point we might pick it up in a couple of weeks would march madness seasons but right now we need to take Paul let the doctors do their thing but the first thing we need to do see who all infected we. That's the thing that scared about this whole thing. Nobody really go barrel infected for twenty four hours ago. We and he's been in six seven stays the last two weeks we need to get everybody the TV now who traveled with these NBA teams and these college team. We need to take a step back guys before we do anything. We're going to test every single player in college and Pros. And then then we'll get back to you on what's next nick. Madness sounds just as good as march. I can't tell you how much we all appreciate your doing this this morning very much. Be well and we will see you soon guys. This is unprecedented territory. Good luck thank. You love your brother Charles. Barkley with US AGAIN. A remarkable and yes and he said it's not his check to write a check to write and all the rest of that. I do think that rather I think. Maybe the thing that I would agree the most with if I could give my quick thought here. Is that just stopping? Everything for a moment and taking breath is much easier to postponing postponed. Things than it is to cancel them. You can always cancel something later so I think if everyone just sort of steps back takes breath see where everything goes so much has changed in. The last forty eight hours knows where? We'll be forty eight hours. We're going to be okay. I agree I do. We need to recalibrate what our protocol is for reporters at travel with teams and things of that sort. We need to get more testing. I in place to do so I was just being told here. We will have mark Cuban live and a half hour. Okay so mark. Cuban live at nine thirty eastern time this morning. Eight thirty in Dallas so we will get the reaction of one of the NBA owners live as we continue it is an unprecedented day certainly in the NBA and in sports as we know it Rudy Gobert test positive for the corona virus the NBA has suspended its season and our coverage continues in just a moment. You're watching get up on ESPN.

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Rudy Gobert's Quest For Redemption

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13:16 min | 1 year ago

Rudy Gobert's Quest For Redemption

"The. Earlier this week NBA team started going to Disneyworld. That's been almost four months since the League suspended season today team started arriving in Orlando to resume play, and among them is a guy who triggered the NBA shutdown back in March Utah Jazz, center rudy go bare. Gobert, of course also stirred up controversy when he intentionally touched reporters microphones at a press conference just days before testing positive for the coronavirus and last week. He spoke about what his life has been like since then. It's been. A few months know both physically mentally. You have the whole world judging you. Threaten me. Today Athletics Tony. Jones joins us to talk about the fallout from Madame student where go bears, relationship stands with teammate. Donovan Mitchell, and whether the jazz are finally ready to move past it. kind of a sensitive soul, and I think that for threats vitriol that he received think that they're really hurt him on a personal level. From wondering athletic I'm the Davidson and I'm under sculptor. It's Thursday July ninth and this is the lead. It felt like something was. There is something about the emotion and. The past. Does began. This is laurie clear. It stays with you. Hey wonder listeners. The shrink next door is the story of one therapist psychological manipulation. He crossed lines and boundaries with his patients, and he's still out there. You can now listen to the shrink next door in the new one degree APP and check out the wondering plus exclusive update episode by subscribing to one degree, plus he experiences from additional former patients. Vikes get an update on Marty and find out what's happening with his effort to have ice medical license revoked. The shrink next door is available now in the wonder APP download it today. All Right Tony. First. Things first. We gotTA talk about the Food in the NBA bubble in Orlando last night. Guard troy. Daniels posted a picture of his dinner night one in Orlando. Is Fire Fest it's boxer leaves. It's a role in a bag. It's so shitty. Fruit is an absolute trash meal for anybody. Let alone for millionaire athletes, really McFarland and John Rule would be offended by shaking Mulas. How glad are you that you are not currently in that bubble? Listen? Everybody has their delicacies so I'm I'm not here. Knock it a did see that chicken and look a bit dry in the talk is that the food is post to get better once all of the players clear quarantine, but we gotta get these jokes off while we can write I shouldn't see any of the barbecue chicken shack. Always references knows photos Isaiah. Thomas joked that Lebron. James Eaten. That cuisine so I'm just GonNa? Say it looked like quarantine for. Like food dead people who can't leave eat. Well the real reason we're here today to talk about Rudy Gobert and the is. What has the team said about going into the bubble? I think they're excited. MUFFING dear excited to go and play basketball. Think that they're in a good friend. Mine I. Think for the most part they are trusting of what the NBA's done in the bubble that they are going into a think that there were a fair number of jazz players who had some reservations, but at the end of the day the jazz are pretty tight group, not locker room so once. The majority settled on a course of action. I think everybody kind. kind of went along with it. Jazz Center Rudy Gobert has obviously become a controversial figure in all of this as someone who covers the team has spent a lot of time around Gobert. Can you just tell us what his personality is like well? He's somebody that wears. Is the motions honestly? I think somebody finds motivation and kind of almost everything I think that it's been both strengthened a weakness, but you can't argue with the for him because he's gone from a gang Lee Twenty one year old to somebody but twenty eight. He's an all. NBA Player in the KIA NBA defensive player of the year is. Rudy Gobert. Just unbelievable for me, you know. My mom this year tonight. You know we can't from you know hometown in France. CICA. Thank you. Let's go back to March ninth two days before the season shutdown when Rudy Gobert had this now really infamous press conference. In a video that surfaced on social media Gobert can be seen getting up from his seat after a pre-game interview on Monday and touching the mouthpieces of several reporters, microphones and recorders, the reporters that were dare. They took light of it, but on March ninth nobody really took Kovic seriously not think the real issue entirely jazz is this unbeknownst to the reporters that were there. When he went and touched the reporters microphones the jazz. It actually had a meeting for some of the state. Stop health experts, basically telling the team how serious covert was and how serious the potential it was to become an obviously, it was regrettable. Moment. Ogle bears part and. Two days later go. Gobert does test positive, and the NBA has to shut the season down. Tonight has been postponed. Take your time and leaving the arena tonight and do so want an orderly fashion. Thank you for coming. When you have the video of of the press conference and then detest positive, you can obviously see how the conversation and how the narrative changes. That's a job. He made sure he goes should have every media microphone. As he left two days later, he tested positive. Hilarious nine players, but there's no escaping his immaturity of the insensitivity that he displayed and it was inexcusable. Then, some of the inflammatory tweets that went out I mean they were nasty. Just from everything Mike Hey you started covid nineteen. You would defensive player of the year for reason like you got the entire NBA shutdown on. Those are some of the nicer comments. How did go bare respond to that criticism? He immediately apologized. Y- apologized via video, a wish I would have to disdain more seriously. And I hope everyone else to do so because we can do it together. Take care. Stay safe made some monetary donation. Vigo bear is pledging to donate more than a half of million dollars to help arena workers and bring relief to Utah Okay Homa and his home country of France in his statement from the shutdown. Go bare somebody that cares what other people think of him in I think he's emily some measures. He's kind of a sensitive soul and I think that the threats and the vitriol that he received I think that. That that really hurt him on a personal level, and this incident also really affected his relationship with his teammate Donovan Mitchell. Can you tell us about the immediate fallout from that? The media fallout was that the two men didn't speak for a while ago there of course, the first NBA player to test positive for Covid, nineteen and teammate Donovan Mitchell, who tested positive shortly afterwards said it took him quote a wild to cool off at bear. As we've learned their relationship and the strain in their relationship started far before covert nineteen, and the thing would go bare. He's always at a massive chip. Rightfully solid. He wasn't thought of highly in twenty thirteen draft saw he entered the season as one of the best defensive players, not only in the league, but he's one of the best defensive players in the league in the last decade, but this year this was the year that he said okay. He looked into Marigny. He said okay. I want the basketball. And then when he wasn't getting the ball more, he lashed out at Donovan Mitchell, Donovan has some pushback, and you know to be honest filter over to how the jazz plate. They had some mystifying losses. That's going to do. One thirty. One eleven to jazz give up one hundred thirty one points. The Phoenix Suns and it was obvious that for whatever reason they weren't playing as well as they should collectively as a unit on. The dynamic between Rian Donovan had a lot to do with that. You spoke with regard bear recently on a group media zoom call was. Did he say about his life? During the last few months, while obviously, it was very difficult for them. It's been Few months you know both physically mentally when you have the world judging you. Threatening you know sending Yoda negative, energy and stuff like that it's it's something that I would say not as a human being, but at the same time you know you know people just judge them the possession they have in possession of get from. Sometimes it can be one picture of one zero. WHAT INTERVIEW ONE ACTION! Not The way, no, you think that this is probably some of the more difficult months of his career. Neva's life so I think that you know for him once we did talk to him. It seems like he's excited to just get back and play. Basketball is been a process, but I'm I'm happy not in a good place. No and I'm happy that that I. I, get the joy back from playing basketball team, and the competitiveness is back Donovan. Mitchell spoke recently about his relationship with Ghobeire right now we're. We're going out there. Ready to hoop and I think the biggest thing you know that Kinda sucks was that it took away from the Gaza the team? What's your sense of where things stand with them now and how ready? Ready are they to move forward? I think on a personal level. I don't think that those to be best friends again. The question going forward is how they exist his teammates, and honestly on a larger scale. That's all that matters if they can be productive as teammates enact, production can translate into victories than. Should we even care about what their relationship was off the? The floor. Probably not the are strong locker room. Lot of veteran voices, so you know I think as a team I think that there are largely past this and think that they're ready to go on finally Tony how. Do you think rudy go? Bare will be remembered from this when it's all, said and done well, he get past being remembered for touching reporters microphones. Think. That's always going to be something that's mentioned and his story but I think that his reputation can get past this and that is story can get past this because the pandemic was going to be here whether it was really go bare or not. Time heals a lot of things I mean. He's in his prime at twenty eight. He still got a lot of chapters left in his story, so it'll be interesting to see how he goes from here and how to Jasko from here as well. We'll Tony thank you so much for joining us and enjoy your non bubble food. Food is not much better than the bubble food of night one somehow I doubt that, but thank you so much. Tony Thank you for having me I appreciate it. You can read Tony Jones a story about Rudy Gobert journey these last few months, and his coverage of the Utah Jazz at the athletic dot com from wonder and the athletic. I'm Cathy Davidson. 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Rudy Gobert's Transformation Started In The D-League

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17:22 min | 3 months ago

Rudy Gobert's Transformation Started In The D-League

"On sunday rudy. Gobert made his second straight appearance in an nba. All star game. Tom make it a second confederate and for years. Now the big man with the even bigger wingspan. There's been a dominant force within the nba. Tolbert defensive player of the year. There was a time when that was not the case. Time when rudy gobert future was very much in doubt. Today the fx christopher come ronnie takes us back to the time when go gobert was uncertain about where it was headed and explains how he climbed his way to the top. They knew that if he could fill out if he could continue to develop defensively and add various tidbits to his game. Offensively could potentially become a game changer in the league. That's their mind in rudy's mind. He always believed that he would took from wondering athletic. I'm under scotto. It's monday march eighth. And this is the league. It felt like something great emotion and ask past. I s not get this. This is here. you're gonna be the athlete. It stays with you so chris basketball fan today. Think of rudy gobert this absolute force you know a guy who dominates around the rim often makes other teams change their style of play when they face him. But you recently spoke with rudy and wrote about how that has not always been the case so take us back to the days when rudy gobert was not yet rudy. Gobert there. Yes so rudy. Gobert was drafted by the denver nuggets in two thousand thirteen and acquired by the jazz in a draft night. Trade played for show les the french league and his sizeable things into the twenty seventh overall. Pick and he came into the league as a relative unknown. What you'll bring to this team. I mean i i know. You're very long and and a defensive presence. What do you think you can. How can you help this team right away right away. Yeah can we. He had worked his way up the international level coming up in france he had to work himself onto the radar of even french national teams. He wasn't really all that known as a fifteen sixteen year old. How long have you been playing basketball nine years nine. So did you grow up playing soccer before he was on jazz team. That had several high draft picks on it. They had derrick favors. Ns canter to former high draft picks. Big men that played rudy's position. They had a veteran and andreas. Who was a veteran presence on that team as a big man and under that regime rudy kind of found himself as the odd man out but the jess drafted him and took him on as a project and he apparently was not the most stylish guy. What he i community league. yes so obviously. When you're twenty one year old seven foot one kit. That's tall and gangly. It's hard to find clothes that fit you. Great i was going to be on. Is doing right now if you see rudy these various nba awards where he's won the nba defensive player of the year. Two times now. He's showing up and looking very much like a stylistic parisian that he probably always wanted to be back in two thousand thirteen when he was still sort of odd man out on the jazz as you put it. He got sent down to the bakersfield jam of what was then the d. league. i from a life standpoint. What was it. Like for rudy gobert. End up so far off the beaten path and you know in one of the rougher parts of california yes so it's a culture shock for anybody. I think who wants to be a professional basketball player to have to go to a place like bakersfield. California bakersfield has kind of a rough and tumble streak about it. It isn't the most friendliest places. Well tonight we are taking an in depth look into black tar heroin and its presence here in kern county. Rudy's coach will void talked about it would be culture shock for anybody. Let alone a parisian arriving in bakersfield. Which is we're like community area where where are rena and everything was based. That is kind of like mess. Mess capital of the world. So i think he was not going to find a croissant sprint. Snow and anywhere around there. The coaches just told him to stay in his hotel room. And just relax tries to be honest. tells hotel for the most in when he wanted to go work out at the gym. the bakersfield complex. Had you know that all that stuff in their facility but it was very much like. It was almost like a private school in that. He went from work to the hotel room. And that's it. well you know. There was a time. Chris when getting sent to the d. league was i don't wanna say a death sentence but it was certainly hard for guys to sort of get that stench off of them so rudely deal with that setback. Psychologically well i think first off. In retrospect rudy knew that he needed minutes in order to grow and be able to showcase. What so many scouts initially saw of hints was cut. Their i guess his practice and the nine grey Was actually good for me too. 'cause i was undergoing right his former team john lucas. The third used to have to tell him in practice early on in training camp. That the goaltending rules were different in america to the way they are overseas. That you can't touch the ball above the cylinder. But once he got to bakersfield it was a matter of changing the game with his very unique style of play. James tries to answer. gobert seven. Eight and half wingspan rare talent. Who can guard to players pick and roll situation because his feet or so good. His length is so impressive and his smarts when it comes to defense is off the charts even with his english. Not that great he do. Exactly what defensive calls to bark out. He averaged nearly twenty points. A game fifteen rebounds. A game four blocks a game. How shot is swatted away by go to on the shot clock how business and go bear the rebound league level in a short amount of time to be able to put those numbers together prove to not only jazz but other folks in professional basketball that if this guy stayed on the trajectory that he was on he was going to be able to become a game changer in the was ever where the people around rudy during his time in the d. league realized like the switch just flipped and we're now starting to see what this guy could be. There's lots of those there's People told me stories about really jumping as high as the backboard goes to block. Shots tip shots in india's highlight for rudy gobert. He just grabbed it out of the air. It just hung near wriggle. His former bakersfield jam coach void talked. About how after one of the losses where rudy was saddled with foul trouble and basically played his worst game. He walked into the locker room. Afterwards individually apologized to everyone of the players and said that game is on me. Any goes to laurel. We'll be much better and sure enough. Next naive hailed really dominated. Play will realize that. Here's a young man that is willing to shoulder the blame of a loss and only use something like that to get better going forward. So from your standpoint chris. What was the key to rudy gobert growth. Through all of this you know. How was he able to move up the ladder while so many other guys including guys with the same or similar natural gifts just kind of faded away rudy always knew what he could become his former teammates like richard. Jefferson talked about players who would come into the league as high draft picks who refuse to adapt who refused to change. The way they played the game and rudy to his credit knew that he wasn't going to be a guy who was going to get the ball post shake and do you want to fade away. Jumpers kind of club game was he was very aware right. -bility to offer defender roller amish shot blocker. I don't care as long as he could find a way to stay out of foul trouble and change the complexion of a game with the capabilities. He was going to stick and we've seen what he's been able to do under rain. This is what bear does get that out of the year. Microsoft teams helping priority bicycles reinvent. The way they work when the pandemic hit the bike shop had to close their new york city showroom. They found a way to reopen by doing virtual visits on teams. Now the team can meet with two or three times the number of customers than they could before and people from all over the world can visit their showroom learn more about their story and others at microsoft dot com slash teams. So many razors. How do you choose dollarshaveclub which is now a store near you has got you. 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Why spend your weekend driving to a million different dealerships when you can browse thousands of cars in one place. Room is entirely online so next time you need to buy a car just grab your phone got of room dot com and check out thousands of great cars workers ever since radio. Bear came back up from d. league. He's essentially been a fixture in the jazz lineup. A lot was made of his reaction to not being named an all-star back in two thousand nineteen utah jazz fans and not. The only ones taking bears are snub. Hard rudy. himself was deeply hurt by being left out of the all star game and he broke down at practice this morning when talking about it. It's always to be that way after speaking with rudy and people who know him. How do you see that incident now. Well i think. Richard jefferson luckily for be summed. It up as good as anyone could. And that's coming from a guy who played seventeen years in the nba who's part of several championship contending teams who won an nba championship and he talked about how he would sit on the couch. The nights that those nba all star teams were announced and on. Several occasions was waiting for his name to be called. And it never came just gives me compared like how much he cares about the game now much. She wants to be great how much he wants recognition from his peers in his team like he was that recognition right and he worked for that to get it. You weren't necessarily being banked on becoming a superstar and you've continually proven people wrong throughout the entire course of your life and career and to only come up so short that's going to be a real moment and i think as reporters we ask so much of the people that we cover for them to be more genuine and be more real and i think when when rudy has guard down and showed the true emotion of the moment. A lot of people decided to take potshots at the guy. Green being the bully that he is he went on twitter. And said maybe i should cry to. He was mocking him. And even andrei with darla jumped in on the act and rudy just continue to use that as fuel to the fire. And we've seen the last two years. He's made the nba all star team. He's now won the nba defensive player of the year award twice. And you know the sky's the limit for one of the more unique talents in the league. Well along those lines you know. The jazz are a team. That hasn't traditionally attracted or retain the league's biggest stars. You know it's not a major market not the most glamorous city to play in. Do you think that could change with a bear mitchell backbone. Do you think the jazz could attract one more star player and be an even more serious title contender. I think that's the eternal question that's facing this franchise right now. The collective nba mind across the league believes that the jazz really one true wing scoring defender away from being established title contender. Not necessarily chasing the lakers or chasing the clippers chasing the brooklyn nets. The jazz are on the precipice of busting through that glass ceiling and the way that jazz play. I think might be more attractive to various types of players. Donovan mitchell is a is a ball dominant scoring dynamic playmaking guard and rudy gobert. Basically is able to erase any sort of defensive mistakes that any of the other four guys on the court might make but going forward in order for them to really assert themselves as a championship. Dna type team they know and everybody around the league knows that they have to prove it in the playoffs. This team has only made it past the first round once this group and that was three years ago and conventional wisdom to the jazz eating to do that again in order to establish themselves among the elite of this league. And lastly chris what will you be watching for from rudy. Go bear for the rest of the season and beyond what is he striving for i think rudy wants his story to be emblematic of what chasing the professional sports dream is. Here's the skinny. Awkward kid who grew up in suburban paris was discounted his entire life and basically had to prove it at every level. Burger there that those never give up. Every player has his or her own story. In terms of their path to greatness rudy gobert especially in the nba is so unique and should be appreciated so much more keep up zookeeper living's counties whatever nothing sonnet the beginning. Thanks for joining us and go. Get yourself Croissant in an espresso. Thank you you can read. 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Do Better Better #17: Start Over

Important, Not Important

09:54 min | 2 months ago

Do Better Better #17: Start Over

"Hi everybody welcome back to important not important. I hope you all and sound out there. I'm and this is the latest in our do better. Better series of essays crafted to help you think more clearly about the future today if you were new to our community or it's because i haven't written one of these in the month These essays complement the audio version of our weekly newsletter. That drops on. Fridays read by brian. And of course are critically acclaimed conversations with diverse interdisciplinary humans. Working on the front lines. The future Pretty incredible stuff. We are grateful to have you as part of our community working alongside us on the world's biggest problems and opportunities to quick reminders. You can get these essays our newsletter and more right in your inbox at important not important dot com. You can also send feedback to us at questions at important. Not important dot com. You can feel free to record a voice memo on your phone and that in and we might use it in a future episode. Today's episode is titled. Do better better number seventeen start over sometimes in a video game you die and when you die you get sent back to some checkpoint either just a few moments before if you're lucky or usually way the hell back at the beginning of the aliens layer and now you've got to get over all those goddamn bottomless pits. Kill all the levitating alien. Shrimp things outrun the reign of poisonous. Gels again until you finally get to that huge beating alien heart and i have to tell you friend. If you don't have the spread gun for all that stuff the entire time you can just forget it. You might as well go all the way back to the hangar. Starting over can be frustrating as hell in real life or in contra but at least in contra you got to tap out up up down down left right left right start and starting over suddenly becomes a whole hell of a lot easier. But there's no canonical in real life. There's no cheat to get unlimited power ups not that we couldn't have used them for the past. Year gobert has exposed long-held cracks in our society and economy with devastating consequences. It's exhausted us and taken away so many with predictably unequal results all feel the after effects of covid for a very long time but for many of our most marginalized neighbors the loss will be held much more cheaply and this pattern is not dissimilar from the climate crisis for the privileged among us myself included. The experience of the climate crisis is just beginning while low income black and brown countries and communities have been suffering for years already. Millions of folks have lost homes with loved ones or jobs. They've been forced to relocate to start over starting over sucks but sometimes it can change the world one of the tenets of do better better is asking better questions of yourself your family your company your investments your philanthropy and your time today. I'm asking you what if you chose to start over here me knowing everything we know about ourselves about how susceptible we are to a novel virus and degrade failures. How unevenly the sees of rising in the cities or heating how sacred our votes are how short. Our time here is as we become more and more aware of all of these externalities. It's actually a great moment to ask. Is this what i want to be doing. Further is this the best use of my skills to be clear. Not everyone can start over. Everyone should some of you are already doing incredible work out there. But in this moment on the threshold of great change you have an opportunity to identify your core values. We've talked about that. And your unique skill set and to use them to participate in that great change now right about the same time. I was sweating through the end of contra having chained my seven year old self to the nintendo in my basement. Richard hamming a titan of american mathematics and a pillar of bell labs gave a speech called. You win your research in which he described a brutally honest lunch conversation with some poor bastards from the chemistry department. Keep in mind. He was in the math department. He said i went over and said. Do you mind if i join you. They can't say no so. I started eating with them for a while. And i started asking. What are the important problems of your field after week or so. I asked what important problems are you working on. After some more time. I came in one day and said if you're doing is not porton and if you don't think it's going to lead to something important. Why are you at bell. Labs working on it this fucking guy. The world is awash in important problems. We can have subjective arguments all day about how to define unimportant problem. That's part of the reason. Richard wandered over to the chemistry table with this tuna sandwich and his jello and started with that very angle. What are the important problems in your field. He wanted to know but it's clear he also wanted to know if they knew for our purposes. Let's assume important problems are like pornography you'll know when you see what nineteen eighty-nine identified that enormous beating alien heart as one of the world's important problems made peace with starting over as many times as necessary and then dedicated myself to blowing it up day in and day out a dedicated myself to it. Let's hemming again. Everybody who has studied creativity is driven. Finally to sing creativity. Comes out of your subconscious. Somehow suddenly there it is. It just appears what we know very little about the subconscious. But one thing you are pretty well aware of that your dreams also come out of your subconscious and you're aware your dreams are too fair extent a reworking of the experiences of the day. He continued if you are deeply immersed in committed to a topic day after day after day. Your subconscious has nothing to do work on your problem and so you wake up one morning on some afternoon. And there's the answer for those who don't committed to their current problem the subconscious just goofs off on other things and doesn't produce the big result so the way to manage yourself. Is that when you have a real important problem. You don't let anything else. Get the center of your attention. You keep your thoughts on the problem. Keep your subconscious starved so it has to work on your problem so you can sleep peacefully and get the answer in the morning for free now. Many incredible humans have already dedicated their lives to working on actual important problems. So many of you already do. And for example in this time of great struggle a momentous change. I have a podcast setting my own failures aside. Ask yourself some questions today. what do i make. What does my company make. Why do we make them. Do you have to make them says. Who do they address. Any of the world's great problems if not do i want to keep making them 'cause with important problems systemic society-wide life or death problems come enormous plentiful opportunities to contribute to profit to make change to take a step back and think about how we want to spend time and use our skills and whether doing so means starting over taking everything we know and everything we've learned in starting fresh on one of those problems starting to make something new inventing a way to recycle something old designing a more accessible way of using it painting a picture of how to try it marketing it to people who've never had the chance to experience it investing your time and money to make the next version even better cleaner faster more powerful and yet less energy intensive you can start over in your own investment portfolio in your neighborhood on your school board inside your company. I'm your tv show by rerouting your industry by embracing moments to listen to have the beginner's mind to attend to philanthropic efforts that need your. Yes your very specific set of skills and it just means you might have to start over. That could change the world.

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GSMC Sports Podcast Episode 646: Gobert and Mitchell Rift, Hating on the XFL, & Athletes Rewatching Their Old Games

GSMC Sports Podcast

1:38:29 hr | 1 year ago

GSMC Sports Podcast Episode 646: Gobert and Mitchell Rift, Hating on the XFL, & Athletes Rewatching Their Old Games

"This is your ultimate staffer. Everything sports the Golden state media concepts or podcast. Should I say more from the NFL MLB THE NBA MMA? It's all in here. Golden state media concepts sports podcast. Listen now by what s MCC was podcast presented by GS MC podcast network. My name is Chris Blades. Before I get started today I WanNa make sure I remind you guys as always subscribe to the podcast Machine Nemesis episode Mr Ozone topping. Drop related stuff. You could put as well gives a five star rating Rosneft Review Very Helpful Fair poochies allowance. Suitca like dislike which can improve all that fun stuff and also if you on social media we are we are there as well. You can find a stair. Twitter is and facebook. You can talk and chat. We CAN DEBATE. We can discuss and it seems as if route ago bear down. Mitchell have had a lot to discuss during his rona time Obviously as has been documented. Rudy. Gobert was the first person is rudy. Gobert technically I within Donovan Mitchell. Not long after where they were the first two players in the NBA to test positive for that Rhona and subsequently that lead the League being shut down then illegalities being shut down and now we have no more sports Not Anybody's Nah. Well depending on who you ask ninety by his fault per se but those were they were the two main people. I got the ball wrong. These in terms of in our country obviously was in other parts of the world before it is once fourth can't necessarily went. I believe that it allowed us as Americans to begin to see this as a threat. Ozzy normally taking in solving some people are taking them more seriously than others. I should say even to this even to this day. Where we've been over a month now Laugh sports to watch but yet still I know a lot of people that didn't take it seriously before all sports are shut down. The sport started getting shut down. Then we are noticed but take it seriously because obviously if they're shutting species down they don't they don't do that much they have to and clearly the hats in this in this case but I came out. I believe this was like Friday ish Friday Saturday sometime around there. It came out that through the Islamic that the Mitchell and go bare relationship did not appear salvageable Maintain that many stemmed from Ozzy mega say bear being NBA. Patient zero if you will with the news of his cove in nineteen tests immediately leading to lead shut everything down measure test positive the following day and there were reports coming there reports of frustration. Coming out of the jazz locker room about Gobert being careless leading up to diagnose off so that was the video I kind of went viral of him getting from like a press conference or not not necessarily sounds. We're just getting up from talking with the media. We touched every Mike And apparently I guess that that that wasn't the only time he had acted in that manner and obviously the jazz players didn't appreciate that 'cause it could have gotten them all sick as it did with Mitchell so I'm now is an issue other jazz Reportedly tried to take steps to Educate players Boko Bear. Did little to show that he took them seriously. with the infamous video being like the most visible Showing of that. What is not known whether go bare transmitted the virus to Mitchell or vice versa. Or if they both got it from some other fashion appoint the jazz tried to reinforce Mitchell. Bfa reported the damage had may be done already. day after he tested positive. Go Berry store apology and I know Mitchell was on. Good Morning America on March sixteenth and said it took a while to cool off. I remember. We'll go bare. Said I heard what he said. I'm glad he's doing okay. I'm glad I'm doing well. I'm just happy to be honest. I hate to say it's just two of us but it wasn't the whole Party. Also I think in his instagram post. The wild bath which I made touch. I don't remember quite exactly but I know. He has a part in there about people needing to educate themselves as much they can evolve disease Which could we find? People took his shot as shatter our subliminal hint towards Bayard. Because obviously if it if this is true then Then he could have used them that education terms of making sure that he didn't endanger himself or any of the other players around him. I'm with reckless behavior And then yeah so here we are. I'm so that came out but then apparently bear saying everything's fine he talked with ESPN. I believe earlier and he downplayed the apparent friction. That the That image will have to say they were. They recently spoke for the first time since. Gobert tested positive for the Ron buyers and NEGA and Mitchell who was as we already discussed upset with his careless behavior And who? Gobert has said that it is true that not speak for a while after this but we spoke a few days ago and video posted. Instagram live on Sunday. Were both ready to go there. Go out there and try to win a championship for this team on Sunday. Go bears at the jazz jazz pair of all stars on the same page. It's not about being professional. Gobert said you know. Everyone has different relationships. It's never perfect. People that are married is never perfect so you know me and my teammates as far from perfect but at the end of the day were both want the same thing in its winning both grown men and we both are going to do what it takes to win a title Then so it was just interesting to see onto side of this also just Here's coming out at all that the adjusted here at all that this that there is in fact damaged their relationship. If that is to be true now I don't think a bear would go out speaking knowing be asked about this without saying they Ten spoke even if they have or haven't You don't WanNa be out there idea. No we haven't spoke just a further those rumors but at the same time it if our Mitchell I I completely understand why he would be feeling this way obviously again. Isn't there's no way to know who transmitted disease to whom And if let's say mission I impossible go bare go. Bury on first past Mitchell If they got they got it from an outside source. No one will ever know that. And thus unfortunate part of this book if inside the Lacombe. People believe that you reckless with their health. There's only so many apologies and SARS you can do in order to mend that relationship because as we don't know what kind of relationship they had before then now wasn't a bad one but who knows what their relationship was before then And if it was all like a working relationship this obviously hurts that because this in theory happened at work so that kind of ruins whatever they should you have in the NBA and sports are much like any other job out there that you are someone else may have in that? Generally speaking a bad job can be made better by good co worker. Just like a good job. Can we made worse by backhoe workers so if you don't like people you're around all right even if things aren't going greater things could be better than the people you're working with our day in and day out making more enjoyable if you have people who come to work within you detest and you can't stand being around that's actually. GonNa ruin your experience so if there is any level of this sort of friction within the jazz organization out here is not too much you can do about announcing I'm playing games heard on the matter But if this if they ever do comeback this year mean they've probably coming this year at some point is whether or not as this season or next season is a different question but if there's any if they do come back like to start restart this season and there's any and you can see any sort of Communication issues or any sort of Friction on the court. Then I feel like it's at this point you might have to part ways the two of them now. I'm not saying that they necessarily will trade policy find a way to work it out but at a certain point you're pass things working out and now you just actively holding back the team if you have to heap along the team they don't like each other. It's this is the part of the reason why Even though it didn't make any sense from Stanford why do you think by a couple years ago with the wolves where they had Jimmy Butler and then it was clear that Jim Avila hated? Andrew Wiggins and Karl Anthony towns and they had no choice but to trim even though the beginning season even do make a whole lot of sense from them. Basketball is they were a top three seed dot three or four in the West the year before before. I heard He gets her. They dropped down and he gets. He comes back or able to get back into the eighth seed plan. Wow a loss but they were able to play him one from bachelor standpoint he was. You could argue is there. He was the best player out may be cast their most talented player but he was the driving force of that team both encore in the Nasi from a leadership standpoint having some experience playing with guys like d wait around. Oh and many of value is he played within joking Nola Gibson Taj Gibson and some other guys he played within our Chicago. Div Rose for Lovato Experience and then but at the end of day they couldn't they couldn't go this. And you had to you at the original. Even though like I said on the basketball court he made no sense so amazing to see how that dynamic works. That relationship works. Because if if you feel like you could have been a threat to me. Like I'm on the correlate fear take a threat like replacing ambition or whatever like that competition. They don't have dogs like each other. That's that's understandable but a few INARI talking about like threatening like my health. The health of my family to help the auto players that just kind of reckless unnecessary behavior is going to be hard for something to get over especially since he was e caught. Now if we'll go barracuda by himself and the jazz players were mad about it all right cool but at least nobody connor they probably get over but because Mitchell actually caught the bias though again as I've said before we don't know exactly who gave it to him so it's hard to blame go bear. Oh holy on this But if at least he's being reckless than people then perception is reality unfortunately for Gobert if people believe that then both ways on the players around the league are going to be mad at him whether or not his actions of really what causes or not. Just just the visual and that ideas out there and Movies really come back from that so that was interesting. Because I didn't know you heard rumblings and this is like the first time you heard anything. Concrete And Ozzy says concrete as I mean NAMA sources odes only so concrete in the Nazi. Go Bear Push back against some of that On Sunday but again what else would you going to say again? No he hates me like that was never going to happen. And I guess we'll want to see what Mitchell says they've Mitchell comes out and says something or he's again. We haven't spoken or year now. We have spoken. But I'm sorry overlake. Who just like we kinda now Kinda Kinda waiting game with things like this where you're kind of waiting to see they are. How does he respond with their their spouse to be the most telling thing as to how the relationship is going towards working towards being Okay these are two very important piece of their team and they're not working in cohesion together as going to be a problem. I don't like goes this on the core without like each other but if there's any sort of issues There then it's it's GonNa be hard for the jazz do anything whether it's this year or next year on the future. Whatever and like I said if if Gobert did in fact passes US long Same him being mad for while pledges like if it if it happens it happens like our most as we know this year. We've been learning with these. Most people don't even know who don't have any symptoms. They don't even know so knack is is hard to be. Madison by but if the person was actively doing things that would be against guidelines or regulations of what of what we now deem unsafe to On of our word that right but if they for doing things that if the seat is he came out and made a list of rules and they go the dollars rules on how to make sure. Everybody's staying safe. That will go barry. Doing I understand the people being mad even if he got even if he got through it. He's healthy now also at the same time it could have been worse and just the fact that that is up. That was a possibility. Could be enough. To like fracturing by different if not everybody Hold grudges the same or or Youth Madam. Satan later by your accent. That's wonder where not everybody everything same way and you gave you madison money for their reaction. What you do necessarily saw. You're being reckless and now the person is in Coolidge or anymore and as reasonable. I know people don't tortoise today. Seen people doing not really practicing social distancing Going out or Hang out with largest people not wearing masks now wearing gloves and stuff like that. And there's people have becky and I can't be around you once once in dunk. I know you're you don't value your own life with lives of those around you. Some people bring things like that and I am not I can see and I could see why some saying God Donald Trump. And he's like Nah. I can't do it then. I can met him if he's willing to reconcile and I'm not mad at him either but as soon as he had that's GonNa work out because obviously that could be a big storyline if and when ever the NBA starts back up. Let speaking of that since. We don't really have a timetable for that. There are many people around me that are hoping to get the NBA draft pushback mainly people working with the teams hoping that they may draft pushback. And so we'll talk about that. See if I think it will actually happen. Even if like even if they don't play any more games this for this for this past season may based completely on next season. If I think that'll happen. Also like what immune -gistically for the following season uneven for this season stuff like that so we'll discuss all of those things rafters free stay tuned. Are you looking for the very best? Nfl and College Football podcast then checkout GSM see football podcast get the latest football news both on and off the field from the NFL draft to trade to the rumor mill to the NFL combines. They got you covered. That's GSM PODCAST DOT com slash. Football Dash podcasts get updates. I'm college boys key insights and much much more. It's football talk the way you want this show in sleeps and breathes football. Don't forget to like them on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. Yes MC podcasts. Dot COM FOR MORE INFO. We are network so the NBA teams much like the NFL. Teams did and failed in doing so but they tried What the NBA. To push the draft back considering they are oval humming among how I was gonNA say considering but we'll get there in a second This is from ESPN. I believe this was. This came out on Friday as information gathering on draft eligible prospects means limited during the corona virus pandemic many NBA teams are united in hopes of encouraging the league off the push a date back at the draft from June twenty fifth to no sooner than August fourth August I sources told ESPN multiple topped To Espn belief that shifting the draft date would give organization more time to salvage central elements of the project process prosecute allowing for imprisoned workouts interviews and medical evaluations are prospects that current social district shuttering guidelines. Make impossible for now the NBA remains on Commissioneris Commissioner Adam Silver's time line of May I the arrogance. That decisions on their mainly counter will be will start to be made and August. First Day would be flexible based on whether the League restarts and advanced the Ray season in ploughs through the summer in that case most envisioned September draft and post every agency period based on the season that includes around Labor Day weekend among front office executives. There's an expectation that no draft would occur. Teams are engaged or still engaged in the season because that would preclude an important element of draft night player trades. That's why team officials believed the draft. Free Agency should stay connected on the counter once the season ends Also as in a memo obtained by. Espn on Monday Mba informed teams that organizations are prohibited from conducting empress interviews or workouts with Jackson will players until further notice they can conduct virtual interviews much like the NFL teams to do Berlin meant to four hours. Total for single player. The memo said there. Oh that's interesting though. Teams are also prohibited from progressing video. Recent work player me from the outside of a team environment. The memo said teams can only study film to college games or practice sessions that occurred for the NBA suspension of play. So I was going to be against like the pushing the date back but now that I see that year now all right I can see why the NBA teams like was released on with the NFL draft. There's no imprison visits there's no Workouts in person interviews. Stuff like that but you can still like. You can facetime team with the players. The rows able to get some meet with some of the players. Before the whole a corona virus thing started up these in terms like the sheltering in place of social justice. And all that stuff and also like players are holding their own personal workouts role in their own personal produce stuff that you can still see that filled out there and NFL teams to request that or get access to what have you so. That's an issue for them now if this true and the NBA holds fastness deceives odd on that they wouldn't be of view any like private workouts. They'd done and all agree outlook game. Foam LINEAR No. Okay I get I get why they wanNA pushback and also I mean again you WanNa push his back because like I kinda said with the NBA. I'm with the NFL draft. Like if you don't if you don't push it back in your arm faces star as normal next year or next season but if you do push back to that alters time on though I guess from the Info stamp one does not know minicam stuff like that. Maybe doesn't it wouldn't have altered timeline that much but luckily they get pushbacks. We'd have to worry about that but from MBA standpoint if they push it back That it could alter Tomlin especially if they're trying to come back and play for now I think they. They're trying to figure out a plan for if they were able to start by compound. Work like how you get the teams together how you would like what kind of practice time where they have before they after like or what kind of training camp they have before they have to start playing the games and stuff. How many like Common Games? They play all that fun stuff But Yeah so. They're trying to figure out now. But in the meantime I guess this is a question. And it's a fair question ashes because it's coming up shortly them in a little unlit onto two months was come up. You need to know how much US dedicate to watching this film. We've gone through these things with each draft. Eligible players from the draft is gonNA be in June. She had more time for that. But all things that if you push the draft back then you're basically deciding that are were either GonNa. That means that you do things to try. Play the season at some point during the summer. And Then Ozzie. Redo played in that. You can contain your mood. The draft back is not an issue which move back and keep moving back until you WANNA do not really big deal or two were kind of o or just kind of this which is kind of continuation of one is too. They were fine with having are seen starring like December. You have a draft like August-september. You can't just come out of the season started in October dozen. That doesn't seem feasible. Eddie McGrady make a lot of sense From from the players standpoint Soviet drastically than you are basing that you're willing to have the season start in December which I mean as we discuss honest podcast most more. I think makes a whole lot of sense. Disclose again they would lead them into the summertime when there's various baseball and you don't have to compete with anything to too much is he's baseball. No one really unless you're a die hard fan which I'm not. Obviously there are a lot of people out there on the market during But unless you're one of those you're the MB we kind of have enough free rein in order to be able to capture whatever empty market share. There is for things to watch on television. Because I know obviously during this time I've been I've been watching. Tv and most of the TV. I've been watching. His been like Netflix related. Just because the actual you don't realize how much sports programming there is a genus consume. If you're a sports fan which is mostly listening are You Know Brad. How much sports games in things? You consume regularly Just as I get off seats always available. You only think about it but when there's not available in Europe Oh do like what. Am I watching this time? Like all knowing watching basketball game on the Washington baseball game or I would've normally watch the NCAA tournament or whatever that you read that like. Oh I'm Jodie my todd that I'm not doing other things on spending watching sports than when Alan is no sports. Are you trying to find other shows to watch? But very few shows Lois within San Jose Physicians back now or that are now currently everywhere watching though a lot of them are also on Netflix. So there is that it's even consume at your own pace but when you guys if you don't watch a Lotta shows on just like Reagan or non allowed people were like cutting caves with cutback was. I don't have cable or anything to wash like network shows. Sounds like if you're not working? What are you watching you? Just how much how much how much make up your regular viewership during this downtime. So let's Kinda unfortunate but yeah from the NBA executive team standpoints. I do get it though. 'cause much like like. I said monthly with the NFL. You want to put be able to be successful as possible. And if the way in if lesson that memo or what's in this Argefph. Espn is true. The way the mental set. Then they're not resetting them these executive upper as muscle they normally would have like if they can only watch film which I mean should be good enough at least together we gauge guy. But it's not the be all is not to be on though you wanna be able to talk to the guy which they can do joy what four th allows which isn't enough time to get a gauge on. How a person is but still magazine things. Not that much time also came to impress in workouts. You can't washing their workouts stuff like that so that could be a little. That's a little off putting to me like I said with the NFL. They had the combine. They had the senior bowl they had the east West Shrine game. They rebooted these couple meetings before the Rohnert shut everything down so they had they had the opportunity to meet with these guys before an OSCE and not able to do like the in person visits or the interviews which again fate fault face. The faces good enough is not is not the basketball team. When I was in front of you. Can you can see how they respond to different things. You see their body language the way they walk into either way they carry themselves all the things that you won't be able to see on facetime or like a regular phone call so I get that part but does it like all the different things that you've gathered basically. You don't have private workouts which I mean if private workouts really really are that important way that much of decisions and I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing because obviously there is the fireworks you're not that's not football you're going through drills and stuff which again could show different things that you may be looking at. But I can't show you everything and also I guess the other big thing just like the medical so like the physicals and stuff like that though get physicals from doctors located in wherever they're at just not the official team doctor so not everybody may want to listen to but against not they can't get physicals or can't get medical checks or what have you you still have. You can still find a doctor to do. It might be your doctor but it's still a doctor so you can have whatever you can have the doctor send over some photos and say he's using. Agar team doctor looked them over and Get same thing is you can't feel the stuff but you see it's that can give you a geese engage but I duNno. It's this weird but like I said if they decide they're gonNA pushes back then they're just saying either say one or two things either. Hey we're GONNA try season as I put this back or be were content with not atmosphere and start to the Sabir which both options make all ourself. I don't know which one's more realistic or more feasible but I would as I've already discussed. I would not be opposed to the NBA. Starting December and running through June. Or I guess what or maybe even longer than Jim because it already runs into June now so even longer than June through July August Excuse me for getting that. Mix Stop but Yep so rang through July and August all the dog days of summer if you will when there's literally just baseball on TV So yeah I mean I'm not opposed that so I would be cool if that's what they decided that's what they were kinda setting the groundwork for pushing the draft begging. Us pushing the time out of the NBA calendar back. But again you gotta You. GotTa see if they're gonNA make a change that big who don't like change So we'll have to see but at least it seems like the executives at least want the draft push back. I'm not talking about teams one in the seasons Later in the year so there are at least starting to think about the change of wouldn't be like brand new to them if it were to happen but again it's with as with everything That has come from cove in nineteen. We're going to wait and see game. See what wait and see what they decide to do. 'cause we'll know soon enough what their plan is. What kind of comes from all of this. So his neck race had come back on talk about A League that raising the fold obviously because of because of the Rona and why people seem to take our or seem to be taking enjoyment in that. And why don't they should be. Because I think the league could be very helpful in the future but he has a lot of people dancing on the grave. This league on dislike. Maybe we shouldn't do that night at least not yet but you talk about that right after this break so stay tuned. Check out the shot. It's built on the MMA from UFC. Two extreme cage fighting. They got the fights covered. Check out the GMC M A PODCAST. Get the latest news on past or upcoming fights. Join us as we talked to in about some of the biggest names in MMA past president future when it's the fight game there's just one showed a checkout GSFC. Podcast DOT COM backslash. Mame Dash podcast. Don't forget to like on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. Gsm See podcasts. Dot Com for more INFO Podcast by them. So as just like maybe was around the world had shut down But because of that I mean yeah. So because of having a shutdown ozzy cancel the rest of it season. Everybody's getting laid off which is very unfortunate though not uncommon During the time such as you work in the world of sports Without reading last what's going on teams are companies are networks are whatever you WANNA call are cheering people laying people off because audio need as much stuff to get done with. Nola sports to to worry about for the time being And the NFL. Different was unfortunate. Because I enjoyed the first five weeks more or less But yeah there were. Many people both like as regular twitter users Media Personnel Zoo. Whoever that were kind of I don't know if submarines at the White Word Bo were now exactly disappointed that the NFL had to shut down. Legislate it that way and obviously it's not it's not data athletes shutdown around money or or anything like that. They've shut down because of a pandemic which I mean everything would have shut down. Didn't matter you could have had any news. Horsely come in. They were GONNA get shut down because of that. So it's unfortunate for them because it wasn't really any fault of their own the Gotcha damaged. They had the facilities the funds the TV contracts everything to at least survivor one-season whether now is GonNa make it to three or whatever the different story but this is going to be able to make it through a season and now we don't really know what's next for that. I don't think there's any plans or anything to bring it back next season. Just because you're getting lost a good amount of money they were set to make however now is never had no way to get that back. So that's unfortunate but and other mentioned a lot of people seem to be Now did not exist. Seemed to be disappointed. That x-files the shutdown. I'm just curious as to walk my point being. That was the xfl perfect of course. It wasn't Um we know that is not it wasn't exactly caliber. Nfl football although we've seen these number of guys get signed from the xfl to Metaphor teams and we'll see whenever football size back up hopefully in this May maybe training camps with Tom. We've it on. I'm just hoping longest he can't everyone care When it starts but yes so we know that we there have been playoff afoul to the NFL. So agrees no NFL. Teams were paid fashion to have because they went and actually assigned guys blindly. That would make any sense. I'm sure they will pay attention to it They were good Games. Good good players. Pj Walker was are you? We Are Primary. We reasonably that the best player. Mvp If you will on campus a receiver on Houston was awesome good. I don't know if he's been I think i. I don't know if you decide anywhere. I have seen his name come through feeble assigned anywhere but like I said a few signed and that is a good. That was really lovely. Vote for I do now so you would hope for the season heavy wool. Enjoy people talk about it? like everything runs smoothly. No no real big hiccups or whatever then I'll see from their hope that NFL teams come back. Look at these guys on them. And then they go on to ask success because at in the day The store of this. This league overtake the. Nfl is now going to replace the NFL. So what kind do you WANNA build it? As an I feel like this is a Kinda sorta testily in terms of like ideas changes to the game Players seem like a reasonable thing to me or as waiting for the least in the beginning stages may grow into something bigger from there. We used to begin with article helpful. Is that hope that people lighted rule changes like the style of play like the broadcast and then ozzy play? Nfl teams like the players in those players. Able to stick because at the end battle by came into this hoping to be. Xfl Star though. I mean maybe they did back in the day but no come on now is like hey I really wanted me fell they all wanna make it to the NFL so you can't expect people to stay loyal to this league when they have no real ties to it But yeah and I think this one former employee of the XFL. I'm trying to find a tour of Kenya. Adam Samson or annual Edgy Sampson Andrew. D Sampson on twitter. I don't know exactly what his role was. But he used to work for the Tampa Bay. Viper's legs I know that it was role was but he was with the on unfortunately got laid off some of the content team which I mean as as a whole does content. I mean Social Media Team was social media teams. Are they were pretty good an Olympic all? They're they're ticked up team. Got Almost up to like three or four hundred thousand followers by the end of the season which is after the liberals art had. Nothing is very good. It's not listening very difficult that commerce you get to get that kind of growth that fast. I know their team on twitter. Almost four thousand followers so again they had some some traction in at least some sort of fan base ozzy again now compared to NFL But yes this Guy Kinda put it like this back to Andrew Sampson. He kinda put a made a good point about A. Milwaukee brewers are. Were happy to see it. Fail Gordon Gone. Didn't feel shutdown. Doodo pandemic got completely different scenario than the A. F. was but she I guess people are happy to see just because it seems like I mean you could argue one two main sports leagues. Because I again when I've seen as they were I mean the too many four things though. You could argue. Espn now don't have anything showed. They were showing make a nine hundred ninety seven spelling bee on Sunday during the day. Just because that's kind of where we're at at this point who in terms of content you can only you can only play a game so much There's nothing else is nothing new to pump out so you're back do suck too old spelling bees. Now like what you would expect from sports network but I mean it's on ESPN. So I get it but just like a nineteen ninety seven one like I don't know if people were clamoring for that per se now the corner championships in other things that people do and find entertaining but as he kinda pointed out In his little notes thing was that it was at the. Nfl is more than just the sports leader. It's an American institution Symbols like the G or the for the Green Bay packers or the Dallas Cowboys Star are so deeply rooted in our culture. That it's like the Betsy Ross. Owed them herself. We feel bored into them. But we shouldn't feel more beholden to any American institution. Who should fuel onto another free? American institution I should say the free market system. Nobody owns the conflict of football when we check a pay scan through backyard tires when we don't have a have to send a rotea check to the family of the water of water. Can I gave the guy who invented football? Football is a product we can own essentially the open source program for sports nerds and Ozzy again. He knows he's a little bit biased towards the xfl Men but they kind of get his point. Is that like it? Seems like the football comes like this is like NFL controversial. Nothing else can work with basketball. We have they have a G. League which no one is rated at mad about which is like literally just a few of the NBA and basically have minor leagues which no one is mad about them having Alec No. We can't have any professional leagues. We got just had the MLB like no one would say that I don't know there's them Melissa. I don't know if there is a visit signature the under that but you know like all over Europe all over Asia. There's there's like tears of lease whether it's soccer basketball. Whatever there's not dislike one league and then like that said there's no one that we use in that country. I don't think for the most. Rousey is the main lease but I think they're so small these under that and but like since we're the only country that really pleased with wells out of Canada We just feel as anything any other lead that plays football in competition in the NFL. And we can't have which is a weird concept because in theory you would if you like something you more day like just like People like ESPN so it made his into the media's being news they made these fade you. They made other nausea different variations. So you could have more of it is like I mean does that. We have an are much. Say you have on our watch? Hdtv not just their team but just in general they have like shows like house hunters. Were out people go. Lefrancois have house honor the international than they had these other different types of shows. They have like they have Have Property Brothers? They have love it or list it. They have different variations of like home. Fixer upper Thick they have. I think it shows on that score. Fixer upper What's the what's the one with the divorce? Remember what is call the they run dot housing night. Fix them up Day I remember another another one. It was like something hidden potential or whatever it was like a new one where he just like like this area of California whatever but they neighborhood or whatever she goes in and fix up the house and tries to keep in tries to find things in the House. A user around mcgarth. My point is that when people like stuff they just make variations outta and then everyone's okay with it because they like it so they don't get mad about it. I mean obviously you have. You can go to food now with ABC Chop Chop Junior. You Got Shot Tournament of champions or the ad like guys hundred thousand shows or we got everything. Bobby flay his own like. No one's really mad about having different types of shows just seems like when it comes to football we only one football from the NFL and any other any other legal just like now. We hope it doesn't work out when it shouldn't be that way. This should allow to see an because again no other leagues are going to take all the NFL. That's what we need to understand. I think we all kind of do understand that. No lose everyone. Otavio so that we can use this league for people who don't make it to the NFL because not everybody makes it to the NFL or state sick on NFL Roster Rossi or some things at the NFL just not gonNA WANNA try. 'cause people are just too stubborn to be to change. I mean now you talk about you say how People are worth are so earning. This has become recently but people were up in arms every Burnham the fact that the having the D. H. as if the ill always had a deed for the entire year baseball like no it. Didn't they brought it on? People liked it and they kept it. But I'm like why would you? There's something we like. Him could be useful. Wanted US do? Because I know history Blah Blah Blah and. I'm just like people as a game of all things. Shaded mark three point shots before Bandung 'cause cream was too good at it or whatever and then it's like all right. Well now we're GONNA unbanned Dunkin because that doesn't make any sense or we're going to ask through Portland. Like what else do we want to move it back or they? Just the pitchers mound. There's things that you do within the lease to help change them up and as the NFL could do and some of those things that they could do were could or could of or were tried the xfl. So I'm saying there's another sports league It allows you to see what works. He doesn't work and see how you can adjust breeze. Comp breathe improvement. It's like I don't know I mean you guys play video games. The way people feel about let the Madden's and the two ks and stuff where there's not any other competition so they just put out a very similar game your graphics adding a few things here there and then just the other day the Games like the game is what it is. But you're GONNA buy because the only game in the market as people want NYC. Nba Live The one at NBA allowed to come back. People want to making football games so that it gives you reason to be stay on top of your your game. Kind of people have suggested the. Nfl slipped a little bit last couple years. But if that is true and you believe that then seeing a lead be successful. That'll get you to be on top of your game so I'm just saying I don't understand why we don't like competition all of a sudden 'cause I mean we're watching sports for the competition announced when it comes to our sports leagues. We're just like no we just want. Nfl which again. I never thought the expos going to be huge thing but I thought he could be usefully school or could be successful but and a lot of people were not gonNa say it wasn't over wasn't everybody but there are people out there that were not surprised and we're kind of late yet known figured spring football is never going to work on the psych. It could have worked but there was a pandemic so like what did you like. Do you expect them not the cancel. Leave the NFL's hands tied and this will make they had no other choice. They had a choice in just folded up like D. A. V. A. F. Leeriness folded up. This phone just was forced to shut down announcing lose too much money to be able to sustain it in my opinion completed scenarios but receives the same way but I just thought he was a necessary to me for them to Thank you said to people that. Dance on the grave. The virtuous is so new and fresh. A lot of people lost their jobs because of this band every not just in the NFL but around the world and around the country people lost their jobs later. This is not necessarily. You should be happy. That things are folding up. That's not really seems like a good thing to do during this time but no people were an extra is unfortunate. I mean eventually I think a spring football league will stick at some point. I don't know when it will be just because it could be like f year leave since then have one in causal players but like a federally that pays people lays a deal. You get paid. You Compete Him. Though is not as much and it's not as lucrative. You're still there still something there for you in college is limited as you go to. Congo the NFL. That's it. There's no option. If you want by football. At least she could go to Canada. Whatever but if you want to stay in the country there's no options you play in the NFL or you find another job. So there's there's a market out there for an extra. Is The house going to work? And if people will be willing to accept it and I'm not sure people will be one to doubt. I mean people come around to allow things of Andrew. So we'll see if that's the same way here this after the break. Run Comeback and we're going to talk about a person who seems to have their next career setup for whenever they decide hanging up on the football field speaking of football but it's not who you may have thought it would be. I don't know maybe some people always coming. I know I was in a NASA far that I was a little bit okay. It's interesting when I saw this news. So we'll break down who that was and whether going I guess how I could Pocket affecting on other networks and never pursuit of on air talent after this next break. So stay right there. Are you looking for help for your fantasy football team check out the GSM see fantasy football podcast? Get today's best advice. Abu To start who to sit even who. You should draft from sleeper picks. Red Hot LINEUPS. They got it all covered for you. That's GMC PODCAST DOT COM back slash fantasy dash football dash podcasts odd cast we'll cover traditionally dynasty few PR. Even I DP when you need fantasy help. There's just one showed him up. Don't forget to like facebook and follow them on twitter visit. Gs MC PODCAST DOT COM for more INFO Bongino US networks so none of it and one drew brees appears to have found his calling for once he decides the hangup who probably be be after the season but I guess he has to make a decision on his own but if IBM season but drew brees is apparently signing. This is our I mean. This is officially report. I believe but this article from near post the finest unbudgeted places drew his signing with NBC sports over ESPN in a move that will make him a fixture on NFL telecasts. After he finished his playing the post has learned an economy that will begin after breeze retired from saints whenever that may be on the forty one year old will be groomed as a potential replacement for Chris Collins. Worth on Sunday night football which is interesting because I didn't know they were trying to his calms worth And also I guess they were if al Michaels deals up soon as well so then they could just bring in a whole fresh new cast house the Meisel builder and Congress do all the stuff so maybe must focus more on that side of things. I don't know I mean not bad that as a color guy on Sunday night football so I don't I hope I hope did not have Chris. Cosworth thousand out that he was being replaced. But that would be interesting. Mike all NFL fans. We look forward to watching drew. Continue his hall of Fame Career. This fall and we are confident. His post playing career will be just as successful embassy spokesman. Greg Hughes told the Post Embassy already has has a session plan for Calms Worth S. Sipho Ball Partner Al Michaels after twenty twenty two twenty twenty two super bowl so that's in two seasons yet seasons Mike tirico is going to take over. Full time for Michael's Andrija Retired from the saints. Which could very will be after the season but who knows. He's expected to start as a game analyst on Notre Dame football and as a studio analyst for football night in America in its recruitment a breeze. No wonder why Notre Dame that's interesting purdue played dame let's interesting Baio an NBC. Ozzy holds all Name names haven't learned cod for us. And I didn't think they'd have crossover like just having to God and the NFL. But because he's capable of it in his recruitment of in its recruitment of breeze. Mt Sold Him on it. Being the best place to succeed. Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't on the move by. Nbc has been made in part to solidify announcing group as all the network's head into negotiations with the NFL for the next TV agreement. Mac could possibly add a second NFL PACKAGE. Which would allow reason cons worth to both being there number one's interesting right so that would be key if they're not. I mean our brief Football but had them both on opposite gives NBC more leverage. Now that can get an extra game of not just have the Sunday night game. Not a bad thing for them. Moneywise if not breathe will be in the on Deck Circle This offseason breeze a two year fifty million dollar contract with the saints though. There is a feeling this could be as pharmacies in what used to be an was thought to be the highest bit of breeze in the six million dollar rankings. Offer said to be competitive with that though. We don't how does he know the details just quite yet Now also I guess that's kind of important In the end easily declined financial offer from breeze. That could have landed him on Monday night. Football going to source eastern flooded was to seep overprice and would rather go forward with them with a more media bankruptcy they have. I have to wait a little bit more to get to him. already discussed the had interested in him. That interesting Romo later in pay manning all to be turned down so they also try to try to trade for now michaels. Which again was GONNA happen? So yeah also wow. I did not know Chris. Son A job with NBC shadow. Nepotism potentially though. I don't WANNA another guy. Maybe this enough his day sometimes. It's who you know and slash are related to then Then what you know in the world not just in sports but in the generalist this. Kinda how things go Networking work as I'd like to say and BSO apparently he's GonNa do some football night in America takeover from Q. As the other extra guy the county goes on the field sometimes some auxiliary analysis but yeah so drew brees could be the new face of NBC's NBC football or sudden EPA poverty. You WanNa word very soon housing this year. 'cause he's still playing But maybe as soon as next next season which would be interesting as I'd me seems I mean. She looks more guys he looking are taking. The Guy. Don't know exactly how good he will be on the Mike Mr Pasaden- which is also why they're going to start him on college. Avenue worked his way up to the Sunday night. Football ranks and even if like like they said Conrad was necessarily leaving per se. They could have the most do games. Which also you allow him to them to pick and choose who they're WANNA have do certain games and all that fun stuff. Which isn't a bad idea this because again we don't really know not everybody's GonNa be Tony. Romm I think dusting. We really should all learn from this. Is that search for the next Tony. Romo's sounds like a good idea to have a bunch of guys that are that good at the job is like researching for Napster. Tony Romo's like the greatest commentator ever whenever we he's very good very quickly and that's not the case for by some people transition school. Do some people take time? I know what Inside the shack. Chuck those guys weren't exactly. I mean even still now. They're they're not going to them for the expert expert at houses. They'll give quite announced Nazi Paleo. Ray players they know more about basketball than ninety nine percent of the people in this country Bob even more than that but They weren't necessarily great when I started. So you can't just Not a resin natural with that so you can't just hoped it had this guy step in right away and be like a year. Now we're GONNA have him on the big time. You have to work your way up to that as Ozzy would. Romo's able to think he was calling the number one. Cbs from the beginning but then awesome said liked him and so he was good at the job and he was able to continue to do that. So that was important For him to be able to get that experience with able to work towards that and hopefully they they will allow debris as a luxury and not too stoned right into the water and swims commodity by his. Not Everybody has. This is built like that. I mean obviously some people learn to swim just by being done in just natural. Read doing whatever they could not drown that we will have worked some. You buy it to be taught. That's not not everybody the same way so we'll see having a dream breeze but I guess this is interesting because again that's ESPN missing out another guy. Now maybe they have a plan next. Said they have a lot of talent over there at ESPN. So it's not like that big of a deal that they missed out on drew brees because again he's not they need somebody potentially for ESPN from NFL. This season so and as he would be of no help with that this year playing that mentioned multiple times already. Don't need to keep meshing that But Yeah So they'd probably for more immediate answer and I think that's probably the reason why they had the past drew brees. 'cause embassy still has a plan in place and they have people in place currently that they like. So there's no reason for you just up with them right. Nows boasts. The FANS MAY BE LOOKING FOR OVATION FOR TESTING ORENBURG McFarland. Now they have a lot of guys on their own roster. Whether it's Louis Riddick. Their loss key Kurt Warner Brian Greasy. Now Lay said. Dvd could step in talked about curve drinkers Fowler stepping in. They have lot options so that they're not they're not sure if the benchley like they have they have the option just decided to go with let. Is it interesting that they've tried guys? They've got turned them down. Guys they will stay with Their own OPTI have guys go different companies interesting that you would think the worldwide leader in sports. The I mean the one the one day a week. There's no other football but but movie Monday night. Game you think that'd be apartment tune films guys but I haven't found anybody yet and like I said maybe they have a plan may be it all worked out in the end but obviously the process is not gone. These at will they would want to occur. Wannabe another guy. Maybe try to steal name Burgers and I know he's he's pretty good at his job as well see somebody is off. Nfl or girls. Never don't WanNa there's more than enough women in Talking about football of that could do that job. I think pretty wives had a lot of guys like to be former players but Just because you played as not talking. That is what I've learned just because you played doesn't mean you're talking about not just because you watch the game for them does Mi noche dog mighty lottery. We're not talking about a platform So you can't send everybody MIA so at a woman because they've been do the job as well too. I don't WanNa like I said I don't think things Amazon prominent. They have Hannah storm in the injury. Kramer Autumn Usually Amazon prime. Because I watch I have cable so though need to but maybe I'll try that out to see what the Amazon Park broadcast. Looks like Glenn Adams on private. I'd never you does for anything but deliveries but an awfully good shows and movies. You can watch on the and stuff. So maybe I'll try that out we'll give it a Thursday night games whilst that she sees But yeah so. Espn still searching and drew. Brees SOME STUFF UP NIGHTLY POST. Set himself up nicely. Excuse me post retirement and I mean a you always that plan to be thinking for the future and is Nasser. Drew Bees to do that. While you still have something in the present. Because you don't want to think about it before it's too late and that was obviously. Do we want to be one of those people in a more power to him? We will see how it turns out but again I'm not mad at it. Nothing it'll be cool like I said I think he should be used as long as you can get as long as you can get the timing down and the he has a finds himself a nice partner. That's the the the. The duo has to work together in order for it to work obviously Just because both do people know that Tom does not mean. They work well as a team. So I find that I with Iraq chemistry but on the right Mike Ability to apply them nicely. All that stuff so to make sure it works the best goes again. I don't think NBC's trying to lower the value of their product terms their football broadcasts. So I think is coming into to at least maintain it if not elevated. So we'll see if he's able to do that again once. His playing career is open speaker. Playing speaking up playing careers being over Dion had a nice little joke. With a new falcons player about the number. He was going to use though of selecting like I said it was just a joke but at the time it was it was kind of fun but I kinda got me thinking of the fact that the unnumbered is already retired and is the concept behind retired numbers in sports at all college pro. Whatever the Gaza behind it is a good ideas about dishes outdated. Should we do away with it? I'll tell you what my opinions on it or after the break. So stay tuned. Are you looking to get your college football? 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But there's a player who made the number twenty one pay miss with the Falcons that being Dion Primetime Sanders and he said he was gonNA wear. Even though Dion said he couldn't. He said he was. Hey in you told me you can wear obviously Now in Nelson said that if our him I wouldn't want anybody wearing number used like kinda funny we do and Ozzie product without the joking with Kerley because seeing as dead far more forgot that yeah desert truecard has won the number twenty one for the past seven years but at least by this off season and that kind of so. That was the big thing was that not even after complete fabulous remark to fought thing but this also coming off. The fact that is number retired with thousands is kind of interesting also. He didn't have more success. These super bowl housing less than what the cowboys them. He was on the niners too. I think he had. Moore's like overall success in those locations. Then he did lousy with the Then he did living a net living Playing with the outcomes in terms of the teams but it got me thinking about The concept of retired numbers now. Because as we know. It's a good way to signify like. Oh this person played very well. Far Team we gonNA commemorate that by retiring his number cool on the theory and in practice. It makes a lot of sense years like all right. There are very few if any people that will be able to live up to the standard that this specific player brought to this number like or dislike. This person was so good with us. There's no reason why anyone should wear that number cool. I get it but at the same time I feel like especially in football because there are such restrictions on what number of people can wear depending only Playing odds of San Francisco for a year. Okay I knew that. I didn't think it was that long but it was for for a year. Go back to the quick six pics. Then they WANNA do well. Then you know I gotta check. They did one super bowl year as smoke San Diego. He'd see three Zero Shadow. No we want to interrupt somebody to Go sidebar via so especially in football where he is not the where your syrup listener like stuck with certain numbers it's horrid Dir to attire. Buys them in basketball or baseball or whatever is like all right Las Vegas not necessary. I do get it because like are you can wear whatever number you want. You don't have to wear this number kind of thing and I think if it's like I think if it's like an overall play like Jordan are known wearing twenty three and a half to the bronze done that kind of thing. All right cool makes sense if you have a guy like you don't want anybody a worrying number two after Derrick jeeter. That's my sense. Obviously the Yankees are famous for Italian people's numbers. Instead they have a lot of them retired those not a big deal like I said in baseball and basketball. Could you have more numbers? Choose from But in football. I think it's more cool if you do like the lsu style. Will you give that number to the person or the does not necessarily perception but a person on your team that you think can hold up to the standard of that number so like say like With a patriots are alcyone. Believe they retire. Tom Brady number twelve. But if you had a quarterback or I guess a receiver technically that you thought after a couple of years or thought you brought me in drafting number one they draft so you think he can live up to that house number. You don't have to live up to get Tom Brady regards. Just if you're whoever the next big quarterback is going to be. Tom Brady doesn't matter feels number. Not But if you believe that he's he is of that caliber. The Nar allowed him to wear the number and obviously doesn't it doesn't but I don't think I don't think they were. Tired of the number is necessary though. I do think that they will end up doing so. Some saying the same thing could be. If you don't know Todd Gurley will necessarily cause the whole situation but if you had a pledge thought are I think he can have a similar impact to what prime had during his time here. I have no issue what you're giving away that number again I said. Lsu Does with the number seven where they give it to you on Defense League. It's like the the next the next big thing. An expert guys like and the gray doubted as out of the past couple of years Pressure Patrick Peterson had it in college. Tower Matthew I believe had while he was there. Lsu Let me just double check that for you. Guys I think for now ward on offense who else you can do Offers a defence in college wore number seven and Kyle at Lsu Or did I think honey badger ward yet? He was saying they they give the number seven to the next begun defensive July dealt with her I think he start as a freshman in theory. You could give distinct actor though maybe a one eight hundred number. Maybe won't I dunno by like that concept of just like as a tradition to pass it down to the next next generation of future great at ex school. That would be a cool thing in the rules are a little different loud teams when you have netnam names on the back liter. Si so it doesn't really matter Doesn't there's not anybody. Obviously the fans they're heroes program now but there's no one our we re attached if player because again no namely backout though with like Jerry professionals was named ashes. Who knows after? Who is the one that was wearing it? So they'll be harder but I think the idea of retired numbers. It could be is but could be a little antiquated and kind of going to be weird to say because the lot number the beginning retired for forever. This isn't like a new concept the concept that it's not as necessary anymore per se again. Use It as a tradition or a passing of the guard. If you will like you have a guy who. I'm trying to think who go. Who else had a great career in one number with a team of China? Say like like if after like after Cambodge's like over like number time but like say do routes we're talking degrees in theory retire that number and no one would bad or if a draft their success. Our quarterback next couple of years does have him or number nine. Who Think I mean? He doesn't have to but I'm saying is leave it as an option for a guy down the line to be like. Are we think he could do what you did? For this franchise. Sorry I didn't mean just an add another incentive another thing to the person shot for obsolete when you had that number you wanna live up to the legacy of that number. You don't WanNa you WANNA be the one to be like You're on the number of you. Don't WanNa be that person so gives more incentive. Look up to now so you can't give it to anybody. You GotTa pick and choose wisely due to the fact. That mega said some people. Everybody's both in the spotlight bill for a primetime. So you need to be able to. Suss that out before you give away number an emmy obscene. Most guys don't change numbers during career but in the process leading up to a you would have you have that idea like I think this guy could be the guy if you think so all right then where number got I think. That's that'd be cool way to do it at least in football because there's only so many numbers you can have you came to be retired. Everybody's number and it doesn't work years run out of numbers and now it wasn't me wearing like fourteen awkward somewhere like four teams weird number No Fence Doug Peterson. leaves like a weird number like lobby wearing like a shadow. Steve Young like es Conga weird number to me. You ran like three or four gunshot up by far But again those were number seeing people wearing like seventeen. Nah literally do eighteen. You pay manage out him but eighteen weird number See like on a dirty like mom saying but if you if you go about tiger his numbers and you've run out of numbers eventually cause was stopped me from tiring. Most numbers honestly. I mean you could not everybody does but you could argue. Most sports teams have at least had one good player or great for their franchise in about ten to twelve different numbers. If they've been around long enough. You could argue that. I'm saying that in our marriage is cutting your numbers. Now from I guess ten ninety nine to married if you cut it to twelve down eighty seven numbers and then e that's listening smaller because again it was at circuit positions. You only have certain items to choose from because the way the rules are with the NFL so then in list of numbers. I think we cooler if he did. As a tradition thing as opposed like because people we you can still put them in like like put them in your in putting them into teams like hall of fame or like. Give them like a bus or something. That doesn't that doesn't take away. You can do that with our tiring. Their number putting them in your ring of honor retirement number in my opinion those those two things are separate. You can be in a team hall of fame rainwater but not every numbered. Like you. Don't need to have your number as well as some they do to the cool ceremony like oh no one ever raves number. I'm saying like just because he greatest number for fifteen twenty doesn't someone else can also be greater than number for fifteen twenty years like I don't see why let's see. Let's not possibility at least but I said it's a common practice in sports people retire numbers for anybody. Who's great which again? I wasn't going to be cooler if US tradition thing like Lsu's as some data google constantly. The way they do utilize the numbers. And you lies. They're great players as a as a measuring stick is like all right if you WANNA be. You think you're great art measure stuff up against Patrick Beers measures offense honey badger grind alpin. Whoever comes after that nine of four office stuff? Like that measures have loafing And See Hugh and I give you something extra motivation was some the strive for me like I said this is mainly menial football thing because the more numbers but even then like all the all the best buyers where the good number twenty three is a good number outside of like the door them running so good number a no one's GonNa wait. Where like thirty seven? No Vince? When almost thirty seven people WANNA wear eight ten five twenty five one those cool numbers and now us as now you can wear them as like all right. I get it but sometimes like are you taking away? All the poll numbers like how many like fifty six is the you know in the NBA. I could be wrong with the dorm like a lot of fifty six is in the NBA closing. The numbers have to wear if they retired. Twenty numbers for a team. I look at the legal. All those number retired which again as I understand it. But it's like you're gonNA run out of good numbers to use Glenn won't Say Jersey numbers but it's not that big of a deal but it must be cooler my in teams did it like they pass it as a tradition like. You haven't now this person that person to that person and that person all ago do history so they can set of having one great number twenty or number fifteen. We have a long line number fifteen that are exceptional. That'd be cool but again I don't think so change anytime soon. Just none Pinon up ahead. But I think it'd be let me know if you agree but I think pretty cool sport seems that it like that as opposed to like. I said the timing of the numbers. We have coming up After this I don't know if you I saw Dingley watch a bike. Saw People tweeting about it and read about a little bit This games on Monday but on Sunday Tiger Woods rewatching Masters Jim. Nance cool moment for him. I'll see kind of the final comeback in his whole comeback from the whole cheating wife raking his car window. Divorce GOLF CLUBS. Scandal thing is found like all right. Look he's back but he wasn't fishy back when the major now's WanNa Major. Snow has officially back back back. Back back Bso Then in thanking of that knocks. I've seen some things with some other people down this in an awesome boxing. I think this sounds doing this to where they're having like People rewatch old fights this up to again new people and he's set to watch as about won't be some cool games. One have players or coaches or people rewatching and kind of talk through both going on their minds and what they were seeing out there as the game was unfolding so I have my little list now. You may agreement once the other things but we'll talk about all of that after this break. Stay tuned shakeout. Still build around the women owned see INVICTA. Fc delatour would championship. We got the fights covered. It's the Golden State media concept's women's MMA podcast. The latest news of upcoming flights discussions of previous matches join us as we talked to in about the biggest names in women's mixed martial arts past present and Future. When it's the women's fight game you know to listen to the golden state media concepts women's. May podcast your body s network so obviously there has been a lot of great games great moments re performances throughout now all time history but I was focusing more on the last ten or so years just because I'll be older teams have had time to discuss these games or these performances or these teams. So you're thinking of some new ones that people haven't talked about to To too much I mean obviously again. These are Malaysia playoff championship performances. So there has been some discussion on them but some some thoughts ahead so one of the first ones that I thought of was Madison BUMGARNER IN HIS GAME. Seven performance in the two thousand fourteen. World series. Just because I think what he threw ranked as one of the all time world series performances. I'm announced the after the soup after after the world series and main in October. He in that October yet. Seventy six complete again started when foreign one at a save one point three point six five. Whip six walks forty five strikeouts in fifty two and two thirds innings and at the time is only twenty five years old he won the MVP who's MVP and his third reign last of the little China Dynasty B. S. I'm trying to think I think Lead you report. I'm trying to see where they right. Did we report had it as the fifth best? Rossi's performance of all time bind David freezing game six. Obviously we'll see you tomorrow night. Shot Joe Book Is A. We'll see you tomorrow night on on on resigned. But you get the point Now's the on Jack Morris in ninety one who ten in exile at the win Don Larsen in fifty in fifty six game five. I think he he has no hitter. So it makes sense Can't really beat that. And then you Colfax sixty five world series game. Seven nine innings. Three hits no runs ten KS and one -nother added bonus to it was Bumgarner did this pitched five innings to his no runs four strikeouts to save won the world series against game seven on two days rest which is very much unheard of at the time. Just because you see more I don't say you see this mortgage note. I think Charlie Morton did it for the Astros In their world series win over the dodgers he pitched awhile every Aronov. Who's this means Awhile I know Patrick Corbin came in through three innings of relief. The national this year after sure INARA decisive game seven so again it's becoming more and more common thing on. Bumgarner is one of the few. Has that tried to make a Kershaw shot? And do it surges. I I'll to do it. Unsuccessfully in neither you all world series games with some other games throughout the playoffs. Uc There's a lot more happened a lot more against like I say do five innings data save two hits and I was like talking about what he was thinking like. How did he have anything left? What did he think? When the bog of one our score and hit the wall the outflow asser outfielder role defense and potentially could have tied the game. They sent the sent him home. Is I think you still got thrown out? Because he's not that fast but it is a chance you never know you. GotTa make good relate there. Oh the those little off less opposing Muscle Wall. Something could happen and if it if they had tied up with. You've had enough to go to another any just like it's just kind of what he's thinking as he came in as gone to each inning. China makes you didn't go up any runs. Try to preserve the lead knows GONNA thank you. WanNa you record. Talk through it and Ozzie said baseball. It's it's hard for a hitter. The only get what you only up there for three batum. How many replays nephew? Three or four days in the field you have as opposed to the pitchers involved every pitch thing. They are trying to do to him he is. I've tried to room there. They've got a cool after to this an all time formats. So that'd be kind of fun. I also thought the Shaun Watson National Championship Game Against Alabama. Obviously I think I was the that was the second one that that that they won the natty on the last second pass. Now that'd be a cool one to relive in my personal opinion because in that game now they beat the fourteen in Alabama of time You'll ever make state of rematch Was a great sequel. He threw for four hundred twenty yards three touchdowns Square the game touchdown with one second left on the clock. Did He. Iran for a touchdown to Twenty cares while it's a lot of it. Twenty areas now Alabama team. That was the thing that I was a freshman. He would've been a freshman at that time. Right gave him a freshman at that time. Who was on the Alabama defense? The Guy Reuben Foster Dirani Harrison Ryan Anderson Jonathan Allen. Doron pain might make a Fitzpatrick Marlon. Humphrey like you got a lot of guys that are playing in the NFL right now and those are just the guys I need without the head. Now stop heavy to say any nearby Brady Evans. Whose Ontai Rashawn Evans says. Only Times right now. You have a lot of guys on defense stat if not on identify roster starting on NFL roster so as it is not as a Dow Thomson got about him You see nine. These attacks Anthony Jennings was a freshman at that time and he's GonNa get drafted at some point on those everywhere who some point this this year. See that'd be cool understood like I said it was a rematch. What we've got going in. I know start off the game. I thought you pick are no. Did he not focus? We don't think of The game before I went to pick but We had a great game they. He had fumbled Lhasa. Fumble Gombe lost fumbles comments. You're thinking through like how are you trying to make? What do you think on that last? Drives dragging down where you're taking the play before I mean people talking about this but no-one said Dan rea wash the whole game with him. I think that'd be a cool thing to do. She has another game. I be interested in seeing Watched with the guy. Dowell Sweeney in there too for a little extra spice because you know that was always got. He's always good quote so he was something interesting about the game and off form. Something called an M. J. Account football so again he's at allows four Under Sean so I think that'd be cool also another one. I wanted to relive would be the Lebron Bong Asiago everyone's GonNa WanNa do Games ending as the warriors everyone's GonNa WanNa do game six against the Spurs me game seven against the spurs that they won by the first one and do from his first Jamison season. The twenty twelve game six in Boston where I did that. Does that? Mean him just like the Like the demon look in his eyes In this game he had cooking. They were down three to there in Boston this day. Lose game Non. Does the Boston navigator over the boss? But like you'd argue. I mean they didn't win that even if they then when they win the finals your after you could argue that They might have broken the team up a mean as it had their shows before lost finals before they even get back to the finals. And now you're trying to Trade Chris. Bosh like what are you doing with weight obscene? I mean they use a plane while you're not in the Bronx I do. Disposer get fired. Could have been a whole. It could have been a whole mess of. They didn't win but in that game. Play FOR ALMOST FORTY. Five minutes shot nine. Twenty six as wapping seventy three percent from the field on four threes. Two of them. Of course Had Forty five points five assists fifteen rebounds knows about everybody forty five points the next high scoring guy on the he was the way with seventeen hours. This is twenty twelve so they only forty nine points not a common thing today's NBA playoffs. But that was. That was a game we really like. Oh okay they're going to the finals like you did. There's no doubt my mind they were GONNA win game seven if the Barloon game six. He's GonNa he's GONNA show up in game seven and my personal opinion. That was Boston shop and outside and sees it mainly because the bronx side. He wasn't GonNa miss which I mean. If you decide that I look once. They're not gonNA miss his nothing really you can do. I'm sorry you've seen with all the elite elite down the players. They're they're they just have games where they're just like. I'm not I'M GONNA hit every shot. There's nothing there's literally nothing you knew about it which we will. We'll get to one of those games in a second but yes just like when you when you're in that zone does not really much you can do with you and I'll see Boston had nothing that they could throw Lebron. Who'S GONNA TRY TO CHANGE ANYTHING? Then house a they were able to win that series win the finals and then kind of his career is continued to go up from there ops like I said they lose a game his legacy shop people calling him a loser like everything that the whole not five not six not seven thing already looks crazy now because the only one to they didn't even win those two how how much how much ridicule get from that big big moment in the browns career. I'd love to go through. These talked to watch a game with him. I've always thinking like. Did he know who's going to do this? At what point did he know this stuff like that? That'd be cool maybe. Id Wait and wait for fund raising the gang back together. I'm the second goal another you might want to watch would be Have if they decided to do because again. There's no way they both agreed on. Maybe Shanahan won't but F Shanahan Him and Bill Belichick re washed. Those the Falcons Patriot Super Bowl. Odds even if I can only give bill. That's one for me because I want to know what he was thinking as a team was down. Twenty eight three can own from the players loading tablet like they. They believe in all that stuff and now see as a coach. You want to say that you have faith in your team by the same time. You're in a super bowl. You know if atoms are good and down. Twenty two three nine ten very slim for comeback very slim. Obviously they did end up coming back but I would. I would like to think what what his mindset wasn't what his mindset was after a while he was thinking after they score after like the sack fumble after Julio makes that catch after Julian Edelman makes his catch after. Go to the overtime. Win The toss. I've just learned to dispensing AC- Is My synopsis. Diversidad is like Where they were the falcons thinking on their side of just be cool cook and these are two of the best minds on their respective sides of the ball on the NFL. Just get them in the room talking about a game that they both experience obviously one on successful the other of it clearly. But I think that'd be cool to just hear them kind of talk about it again. Shanahan might not be rebuilt my not so amine Nazi players. I mean you get ready. Get Element you get to ever talk about it You you could trap that one input Falcons I mean you put enough conceal patriots you ego patriots dumb in anything but pages rams games terrible but any of the recent super bowls in the last five to ten years you could. You could put on there and I think that they could get interesting. Commentary about that game so you could go whatever. Patriots Risen Super Bowl Game. You want from that if you don't if you don't think bill and Chen would talk and then obviously now obviously but the last game I wanna hear about is the origin of games. Play this game. Six of the Twenty Sixteen Twenty Sixteen Western Conference Finals Klay Thompson decided that he was going to put dagger through the hearts of all Casey fans out there and basically all but end Katie's time in okay see also. They had the game seven but it didn't matter they. They got close lower towards the end but they have Even tidy I think they might have been like four two or something to that much Hubadoo as we all know. Clay set the record for most threes made in a playoff game where he decided he was. GonNa be unconscious. Shot Eleven of eighteen which the SOC- one percent for other people counting at home For A walk in forty one points again. Thirty three percent at thirty three of them on threes only made only shot fourteen to three one for the game but got to. He was gold. Shot three of thirteen on every other shot began to an animated free throws against the three point line cash every time so you an plays. Calico a weird funny guy that he does not like not like a jokester like a comedian kind of the way he says things the way he conducts himself. Just like Kinda funny. I think that'd be. It'd be quarters. Have Him Talk to that game? Obviously at dream on or a YEAR STAFFERS DIV or somebody for some a little bit more flavor but I wanna play as saying like God when you when she gets like that. Obviously they're just like when a greg that like. They are not even do but I want to know at what point in that game that he has. Oh this might be why these games if I can keep in the mall. And they pointed at a week. We're going to come back. I think there's a point in the game. I don't know it was third quarter fourth quarter when everyone is like. Oh we're GONNA come back and win this game in Bobby's permeable before he actually took the lead on a compression took lead enclave three after like. Oh I'm remember for the regular steel strip of Ross or something like that just came in Katie. Took TURNS TURNING THE BALL. Over missing shots. It was it was a disaster to watch E- Michelle whom down pretty much use. Gray's Ombu let's see here through his mind. I was going through the mind of the team at that time. Just because the holes anything was easing flashing for their Eyes Ozzie and didn't end up working out their way in the finals. But they could not gotten to the files which have been an even bigger disappointed in my opinion than maybe Katie. Dillon calm though. Says he was coming? You don't really know So maybe he doesn't join the warriors now. They're not noticed that Harrison Barnes like the Dole dining for the team is a little bit different The way they were members of the different We'll just manage thing to see and like I said that's still one of the greatest performances on any stage. I've seen personally I remember. I remember watching a game and I forget what was in a bar somewhere North Jersey and just like another shock. Every time he made a deep theory who was just like they were just like every time it just felt like every time he shot the ball going from three until difference over from three seem like every time he put it on the air was going in and his over sixty percent three point percentage for the game will show that Leah there's so many Games performs even add on these are just like five. I thought would be cool. Tab guys talked to as as many other things. Ufc fighting boxing fights are games other our moments in recent history. Old History. Ashworth you would like to hear guys talk through but my this mindless in your more After you listen to the podcast but that'll do it for me here today on the MC sports podcast presented by GS MC podcast network listening. Give a try to do every. Give a shout out once again to the essential workers. Nurses Doctors Grocery store people any other jobs where you are forced to. Paci risk your own life to make it so that people like me can still get food or get treatment or whatever for this Karma virus. You greatly appreciated even if you don't hear it on the day to day you hear from me so just into the pockets you wanna hear some praise Bs Alexa shout. Those guys Mostly listening if you already Scott. Podcast machine never miss an episode? If you could lose well gifts rating rests. Rightous a nice review very appreciate. It's very helpful. Laos you like dislike which can prove all that fun stuff fion- social media. We are there as well as you can find us their twitter instagram facebook. We can talk and chatting debate. We can discuss him. Send me your list of five games that you'd you'd love for people to watch and talk through you can tell me your. Pin Number tied numbers. You can tell me why the XFL was always fail. No matter what they did you can tau. Meanwhile you think they'll go. Bare Mitchell. Beef was overblown in his. No not a big deal. 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RPF Meetup Invitation: Thursday, February 11 in Bogot, Colombia

Radical Personal Finance

01:27 min | 4 months ago

RPF Meetup Invitation: Thursday, February 11 in Bogot, Colombia

"Hey radicals this is joshua sheets. Today i have an invitation for you to a radical personal finance. Meet up would love to get together with you for a meet up if you were interested. In connecting with me dayton time and details it will be this thursday february eleven twenty twenty one again this thursday february eleven twenty twenty one from five thirty to nine o'clock something like that so you're welcome to come and join me for dinner. You're welcome to join me for drinks afterwards or before. Whatever works in your schedule. We will be in bogota colombia. So if you are in the bogota area or you want to be in the bogota area and you want to get together with me on thursday night then i would love to see you the way you get details on the venue and all of that to get in touch with me directly. Email me my email. Address is joshua at radical personal finance dot com joshua radical personal finance dot com looking forward to getting together with you to the spot with a good spot. That's an outdoor space and all that to handle all the covid stuff carefully. And if you're not going to be in bogota it's still allowed to do a meet up with you. Just have to wait for a future. Time when i choose a different place. I wanted to do a lot more in person events this year but of course we all know how that worked out with gobert. So hopefully pretty soon. We'll be able to get back to kind of a more normal swing of things percent medium of you like to get together with me on thursday. In bogota colombia joshua at radical personal finance dot com.

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5. An Actor and a Diplomat Walk into a Bar

The Doodler

34:06 min | 2 months ago

5. An Actor and a Diplomat Walk into a Bar

"This series contains depictions of violent assault and murder listener. Discretion is advised. Listen to this series carefully and let us know of anything you here on. This show jogs a memory of yours. And if you've got a tip you can call us at four one five five seven. Oh nine to nine nine or about. I don't know maybe. Three quarters seventy five or eighty percent done with the reporting you know i mean short of actually standing there watching someone kills someone else. Yeah we're relying on history. Mike taylor and i are talking about the difficulties of reporting case with more questions than answers. You know it's it's putting together a little threats and he can't have the threads together if you don't have the you know the semblance of a cloth it's exactly until the summer of one thousand nine hundred ninety five. The dealer had managed to kill. At least four people mostly undetected leaving evidence and no witnesses as though he planned out everything perfectly but of course. Nobody is perfect. We really wanna find a key witness in this case. An unnamed young man who we think was attacked by the news right in july of nineteen seventy five in his apartment At the fox plaza apartment building in san francisco around this time. The dude there started to make mistakes. Some of the many attack may have gotten away with memories of what happened or any of them still alive if so we want to find them but before the end of nineteen seventy five. The dude lawyer would claim one more life. I'm kevin fagan from the san francisco. Chronicle ugly duckling films and neon harm media this is the untold story. So i'm not sure what. Hold us his despite the sixteenth hole and evidently down a road. That's got a divider to investigator. Dan cunningham and i are right by lincoln golf course that lands in is just a skip north of the previous dubner kill sites ocean. Beach sprinkles lake the fifth and final presumed victim was found near the courses sixteenth hole. Do you know the sixteenth hole. It goes down the beer. Cunningham is using crime scene photos to pinpoint the exact spot. So i think we're close right about this sign of their their next morning somewhere around that area. I think so if the sixty there's well there's the flag right up there. Several months into this investigation i think cunningham is starting to think that my work could benefit him to maybe. That's why he's starting to be a little less reticent. Oh that down there exactly could be. We settle on a spot. That looks pretty close. There's a gap in the brush in front of us to a cliff that drops down to the ocean. It's pretty safe to say this is the same kind of saudi. You'd be here in forty five years right and it's probably a nice that as it is. Today i mean in june uh-huh june of nineteen seventy five june fourth. Nineteen seventy five around six pm. That was when a hiker stumbled upon the body of harold gobert. His body was found probably between ten to fourteen days after he was killed so he was probably kill the millennium. I'm guessing it was probably nice day and beautiful. You get the best view the world right here panoramic postcard. Yeah the bridge. The golden gate bridge baker speech beach. Yeah beautiful so ironic that Horrific act like that would have taken place in libya. Location this herald. Gulberg was a sixty six year. Old merchant seamen a swedish emigrant naturalized as a us citizen twenty years before he died inspector frank. Foul zone was the first responder that morning along with his partner. Dave taskey i remember the coroner counts. The body had been there for a while because of the size of the lava that was left by flies at the body had begun to decay. Gobert throat had been slashed. His pants zipped fell zona. Tostki work the gobert crime scene. But they wouldn't be the ones that take the case. So the lieutenant at that time. And i believe it was. Charlie ellis took the case away from tuskegee. Also away for myself and gave it to rotate guilford and earl sanders. The doodle investigators former mayor willy brown says they were the guys for the job and they'd get control model. Police work together And they were. They became really well known as a to cop. Cops they were well wired into the street and that included gay bars where people might know what was going her own rotate quickly learned. That gobert would be a hard nut to crack. Herald gulberg in sweden. I'm getting zero zero anything. Anyone close to him partially is because of his age. He was sixty six when he died. Forty five years ago so any contemporary would be a hundred and ten years older hundred. So that's sort of a problem. We do know that. Gobert was a merchant seamen for most of his life of in touch with the union of the pacific which is the big seafaring union in california and i gave them the name date of birth date of death and all that have anything turns out the union had no records on gobert could tell us nothing but with some help from mike's pi pow tamra thompson. We learned gobert traveled to ports in shanghai fiji new york liverpool and of course san francisco among many others. He didn't stay in one place for very long. But from what we've gathered. san francisco seems to have been his home base. It was the friendliest port gay man like gobert could find. That's about all we know about gobert. He's the last known and confirmed doodle fatality and on paper. His being an enigma reminds me of the dealers. First victim job cabinet. Both older loners began this journey wanting to find out more about the victims. So i can understand more about the dealer and while i've got a better handle on the dealers potential motive and his inner turmoil. I don't have much else. But according to rumor there were other dealer. Victims ones survived. Men that i believe rotate earl spoke to at least one of them might still be alive. Best fiends dizzying lee challenging puzzle game with over five thousand levels and more added all the time. They're always puzzles to play. It's a matching game. Like no other where you befriend a cast of fiends to help you. Fight off slimy slugs and a giant volcano is the kind of thing you can play on your transit commute or even a lazy sunday now. My producer plays this thing and he's already on level forty two. I don't think he's taken his eyes off the phone since he downloaded it for free on the app store. He supposed to be helping me. Write this podcast. But he can't put it down and that's probably why it's got over. 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He was deep in the closet for the sake of his career. But there were places in san francisco for famous game in to indulge their desires and private rock and carey grant. Which were you know everything he talked about. Oh my god rock. Hudson came to that club. And these were upscale clubs. You know what i mean. It was a jacket and tie clubs. That's ron huber men again. He's the investigator. You heard last episode. He says hudson and grant or the kind of nationally known actors whose sexuality was. The subject of rumors later came out. The hudson was gay. Krant was only speculated about yet they both went to clubs were famous game in to flock the actor in question likely to gossip about these men must have passed from bartender to bartender until they trickled down into the dive bars. Weymouth's so creek areas. I mean he was a perfect bartender. He talked to everybody wayne. Friday tended bar to gay spot. Call the new bell saloon. A friend of j stevens. He heard a lot and he saw yet to be very careful out people but he he would hint. It's a good that irwin rotate talked to wayne. The rumor they heard went something like this. A well known actor went home with the man have sex and as they were about to go to bed and they fell from his coat. I wonder how long the knife sat on the floor between before. The actor bolted out of the room. He must've been quick. There was no attack no blood it was barely a story really until it caught earl and rotations attention. They thought it might be related to the dealer case reports suggest. The investigators tracked down the actor in question and after talking with him. They seem convinced it was connected. Rotate was later quoted. Saying it would be terrible. His name got a lot of people throughout the years of thought. It's a lot of different people. And i don't want to say anybody's name specifically but whoever that person was they never made a police report dan cunningham at sap has access to his files and he says even. He doesn't know for sure who the actress at that time it was. It wasn't a proper thing if you were a celebrity to come out and to be acknowledged as a gay man so that report was never made Because name with that even though as an attempt we don't have that information cunningham has looked into several different names and so of we. Mike and i have called agents of the few living actors from that time. Who were speculated about. We traced any actor who may been in town performing promoting something or just hanging out and called relatives and acquaintances of the deceased stars. To the ones who responded. Want anything to do with this project. The details around the actors run in with the dealer are admittedly murky. But we learned that there's potentially a second surviving witness and he has a much more harrowing tale. So there was. There was a diplomat. There was a diplomat one. The dan cunningham says had a run in with the dealer at a late night restaurant. It was called the trucks church into the victim within in this bar. Two o'clock in the morning to fifteen and I guess they start putting all the chairs and tables together make roman. Everybody's kind sat together because a lot of people wouldn't eat get out of the bars and there is an individual that was there and he was drawing on a napkin with some expertise. He was drawing ama- figures in their individual that was their search chatting with him and had gone bringing him back to his place at the box plaza. The diplomat took this man in the restaurant back to his place in a high rise apartment complex. Just south of the tenderloin. It's called fox plaza. The building which is still there had offices in a bar on the lower floors and apartments with fabulous views. All the way up to the twenty ninth floor when they got there. The artist locked himself in the bathroom for a while. When did a check on some point. he said he was okay. The victim went back and sat down as back to the door of the bathroom. Long after that the man emerged. This guy came from playing but steak knife. Disturbs academic try get front backstabbing. It was consistent. What the other injuries that he had done the other victims. The attacker stabbed the diplomat six times piercing his lung a labor off. He survived the garrison in fact. Dan told me that as soon as the blade broke. The diplomat grabbed his attacker. The wall the attacker now unarmed ran from the scene. The diplomat was gravely wounded bleeding from six places in his chest and his back but he alive miraculously. He walked himself to a hospital clinic down the street where he stayed for several weeks. He didn't go to the cops. I if he did he'd have to tell them exactly what happened. Why this man was in his apartment in the first place at best he would have to out himself to the police. At worst he would be added to the public as colleagues for which a gay man in nineteen seventy five would mean public humiliation potential criminal liability but a few weeks later. The diplomat filed a police report on the incident. I don't know what changed his mind. Inspectors tag offered and earl. Sanders took the report into their file. The attack on the diplomatic an outline in march a complete change in pattern from the five murders. We've talked about those killings happened in remote locations all within walking distance of each other starting at the beach and curving up the coast to the wooded lands in places where victims were unlikely to receive help. The diplomat had neighbors and fox plaza. His screams could be heard through the walls if this was a jeweler tag why would he change things up. Why would he take such a huge risk. Does dan have the police. Reports of those attacks from july seventy five. Yeah i mean did the cops go back to the building and started interviewing people up and down the hall. Why curiously he did not fill those intricate details. Say i would like to. I would assume they would. Don't you think. I mean that's kind of makes sense. You'd go bang on some doors did investigators. We'll go back to the crime scene. Bang on a door leave. A card doesn't mean people were home. The next time i met cunningham. He confirmed that the diplomat is very much alive. You talk to the diplomat right. I've talked to that victim. Does he wanna come forward. Don't wanna comment on that from the sound of dan's voice. It feels like something is still going on with this witness. Is he still scared. And of being outed or. Is that still an issue at this time. Five years later on the issue with is not about being outed all kind of guy. He's got some other issues throughout the years because that attack. Yeah did you sustain injuries. The that stuck for these years the bus cunningham says the diplomat doesn't wanna talk nearly half a century later. He appears to still live in fear. It'll be attacked again. We don't wanna out the diplomat by name or to put him in danger but if we talked he could confirm what the dealer looked like acted like or maybe he can even give us a name. I feel like we can convince them to trust us. If we can only figure out who he is. There's not much for us to go on other than his title diplomat. In nine hundred seventy five. San francisco was home to consulates from all over the world. France sweden japan india and the philippines. The list goes on narrowing that list down without any guidance would be time consuming if not impossible but i do wonder if rumors about the actress spread through the bar scene. Maybe there were rumors about a diplomat to randy. Alfred was a journalist at the san francisco. Sentinel a gay newspaper back. When these attacks happened. He covered anti gay violence and he worked closely with the covered. The dude ler which was chuck. Marris's be chuck. Morris passed away in one hundred eighty six but randy remembers hearing one detail about the diplomat. A rumor that came from the sf. I'm pretty sure that they thought it was a swedish diplomat. And i think that may have been information that wasn't publicly released because it would have identified him. He's right it wouldn't be hard to get information on a diplomat in a single consulate in san francisco and that narrows down from all of the countries. You know forty forty or fifty or even sixty countries had conflicts here because it's a port city unless it was one of those other nordic countries like denmark or norway but i remembered swedish i asked investigator run huber. If he ever heard anything similar about a swedish diplomat from wayne. Friday or any other bartenders. At the time. I think the diplomat. I can't remember his name now but the diplomat used to go into the new bell. Which is where the piano play was. And we'll help to bar. Huber makes it sound like this diplomat was a regular. Everybody would just call them the diplomat. I don't think he used his name which is very common and someone his position. Do you know what country he might come from. I don't know i don't. I just can't remember but it wouldn't be strange for diplomats from i would say northern europe another risk from france germany or switzerland are to be assigned in san francisco and be gay. Seemed like i was onto something. So i pressed dan again the next time i saw him. That conversation was off. Mike but updated mike taylor on the phone Said okay diplomat is swedish scandanavia. The quote was You're good but i'm not gonna tell you any of that. I'm pursuing some other blinds on the diplomat just to say if they pan out. There's actually a very strong swedish or swedish american community in the bay area so starting to find some names in there to to go after. Mike wants to cross reference. Those names with the names that are listed in nineteen thousand nine hundred seventy five san francisco city directory. The directory lists the names of almost all of the residents in fox plaza. The diplomats apartment complex. Mike has been calling a list of over three hundred names. If we knew what floor he lived on. We could narrow it down. Mike also wants to compare the names to swedish consular records if the laws were the same in sweden as they are here and you can follow a freedom of information act request site cough up any papers you have on problems in the swedish consulate san francisco in the mid seventies. The only catch. Is that the swedish government is barred by law from sharing archival materials with non-citizens. So my called. Up a researcher in stockholm. It's eight thirty am in california. I'm with nina. How do you pronounce it sylvan. Nina sylvan is going to look through the archives. In sweden for us. I remember there was one email that That i got from the rix. Arca bitten in sweden and the man said look inbox shelf. This box numbered cetera et cetera. Did did you get that. You got that out had contact with her and the woman from there and i ordered the files the there that she mentioned. Yeah okay but you also said that be aware that the lists are not complete. But of course i mean i i will pick them out for you and now. I have a big books waiting for me when i get there tomorrow. I'll update you. If those records from sweden get us anywhere. The actor the diplomat were linchpins to earl and rotate investigation. Their combined memories told a story of a knife-wielding man. A man intent to kill the many went home with if rotan earlier were right. 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Don't forget to use our url to let them know we sent you. Loan amounts will be determined based on your credit income and certain other information provided in your loan. Application go to upstart dot com slash dealer. I want to tell you about the award. Winning podcast buried truths using powerful storytelling and in-depth research berry truths revealed stories of injustice racism and resistance in the american south. It's most recent season is about the killing of ahmad arbery. A twenty five year old black man. Who was gunned down while jogging near the georgia. Coast the podcast is hosted by peabody and pulitzer prize. Winning journalist. hank clinton off and the details of this case are shocking. Find buried truths on your favorite podcast player. What i'm about to go into as a combination details from my own research and new details from cunningham. July nineteen seventy five. The diplomat was laid up in a hospital bed recovering from severe stab wounds in a pierced lung. He just agreed to file a police report. What he revealed to earl on rotation was to them the first description of the dealer ever hit a policeman's ear. They wrote down the description in their report. Dan cunningham laid it out for me. Sis person was at a time late teens. Twenty years old slender six feet. Let five eleven hundred. Bill african american the diplomats attacker was a young black man not unlike zebra killers. And he too had a motive. I read in some of the clippings In one of the attacks the the the perpetrator said something about you. Gay guys are all the same or something like that. This series attacks. Yes there is consistent. Comments may to both victims survived. This attacker seemed to harbor some kind of hatred toward the actor and the diplomat for the sexuality. Same as the killer on ocean beach. We already know the dealer. Had it out for game in so this language fits the doodles pattern. You gay guys are all the same rotate and earl had to be pretty damn sure. This was their guy after gathering as much as they could from the diplomat and the actor. Irwin rota had enough information to start. Piecing together image of this suspect. The dealer was about to be doodle. One of the witnesses. Generally the sketch cunningham eventually said the diplomat was the one who described the attacker in the greatest detail. The sketch looks like a shaded pencil. Drawing the man at the pixes young with a long chin serious is and a medium dark complexion. He's wearing a navy type. watch cap. The drawing is almost photo realistic. Police sketches drawn with precision. Lot of time and effort went into the sketch it was released to the public. In november of nineteen seventy five both the sentinel and the chronicle published it along with the phone number for tipsters to call early tayo. We're confident that the diplomats attacker and the dealer where one and the same they needed any additional leads. They could get to confirm that the sentinel warned. Readers under no circumstances should the suspect be approached. It was a huge development for the case and investigators were putting a lot of faith in this composite. Sketch would that be a problem. Probably used to with respect to police. Sketches or composite. Sketches is dangerous karen. New worth is an attorney for the exoneration project. she's also an expert on eyewitness identification. We know as a matter of scientific fact based on laboratory research that composite sketches are unreliable that the ability to describe a person is not well correlated to the ability to identify them. Those are two separate functions in your brain. Newer says that when we look at face. We see it as a whole not as individual parts making a composite sketch. The way it's done requires an individual to describe a person by their features right individual features. We make the is. We make the knows. We make the mouth and absent something really distinctive. That's asking people to do an entirely separate cognitive task describing about something that we don't actually process if you show twenty six people or twenty six hundred people the same photograph you're gonna get that many different composites and the reliability of composite sketches even shakier when the victim and the perpetrator are different races. It's worth noting that the suspect described. The dealer sketch was a man of color and all the known victims were white. These were cross racial in nature and cross racial identification are known to be more unreliable than same race. Identifications and part of that problem is the lack of vocabulary and particularly from white to black in the united states to describe features of other race persons or to appreciate distinctions in other race features. This all means the building. An accurate composite sketches a long shot at best jennifer dice. Art is a psychology professor at the john jay college of criminal justice and an expert on eyewitness identification research has also shown that By using a sketch artist or some of these older techniques. Where you kind of. Let's say build a face That they those processes can actually influence your recollection in your memory for the face of the perpetrator and using an inaccurate sketch. And your investigation can compound the problem. The sketches done at the witness says it's it's good it's gonna get or it's very close. It looks just like him. whatever they say. And then the sketches distributed and the hope is what that someone will see scattered and go. Oh my gosh. that's my neighbor. And so you call the police. It's probably nothing. Let's say then the police. Maybe they see sketch. Maybe they don't but they go to the neighbor's house and They person opened the door and they think just liked sketch right. Like what are the chances. The chances are very high actually because the person was calling because they already believe there's already already been match in a way. The sketch gives the police what they want a suspect. Now anything the neighbor does will be seen through a lens of suspicion. What the person doesn't realize the neighbor who's now the suspect. Is that the witnesses. Memory of the perpetrator has been influenced by the sketch and there are memory for the perpetrator is going to look very similar to the sketch and if the suspect has been selected because they look like the sketch why should anyone be surprised when that guy gets selected from a photo array or alive lineup or in court identification procedure. No one should be surprised. Professor desert says there's no scientific way to evaluate the accuracy of a police. Sketch the only way to know if it's right or wrong is to identify the perpetrator by other. Means like dna testing or video evidence. Things that sf pd didn't have then. Dna wasn't a tool for police until many years later whether the police knew it or not. The dula sketch was shot in the dark. Who knows how much false suspicion it would raise around the streets of san francisco at the time were two of the only black investigators at the pd. It's hard to know if any of this was front of mind for them after all just a year earlier a composite sketch it help them solve zebra case so this was a tool. They likely had some faith in and as it would turn out. The dealer sketch got results next time on. The dude ler was a sketch. The composite was put out there than the phone call came and it was that women's phone call started. Police get fateful phone call. And she gave a very specific name and Proxy ten days later she call up again. A little upset apparently agitated. She didn't think anything was getting done. Provided a license player of the suspect. That's next time on the untold story of the doodle. The dude ler is created by the san francisco chronicle and ugly duckling films and produced in association with neon home media and sony music entertainment. It is reported by me host and kevin fagan and mike taylor produced and written by tanna robbins. Natalie ran is our co producers and julia. Reuben are supervising producer. Associate producers. Are purser khloe trouble and ryan j. Bryant are sound designer and composer. Hans jail soup. Our editor is nick. Quite and our executive editor is catherine saint. Louis editorial support from king kaufman and timor for the san francisco. Chronicle executive producers are severe. Gabar and lena bow sager for ugly duckling films and jonathan hirsch for neon media.

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Royal Rumble Review!!

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1:04:04 hr | 5 months ago

Royal Rumble Review!!

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Welcome to the mouthpiece arrested podcast once again with your boy gary lips and mama hanjiang miserable. Did we test you this week. Deidre know i guess it myself. I took something simple. Made it a worse. Replenish greenwich when the suggesting. They other stuff so bad that can be handled. Geos discord lost almost in tears dab but scout for taking his nova. Yeah bam bam. He looks better than he did what he was around. He's like impressive. Impressive and collier back so you might as well just crack. Stay with the big to occupy of the week that was the royal rumble which was in tampa florida obviously We all watched it together. Add up i. I love the rumble. Rumble was always been my favorite like it makes the beginning of the year which is miserable time anyway. Something to forward to seeing this one disappointed actual bill. What the a few of them. I really enjoyed this one. Yeah it was very similar. I think for the first time in ages that there's no crowd i feel the rumble. you know. there's a big notice when there's no crowd especially at the rumble but it was really really good show even from the pre show with weeds tag. Titles on the line on the show i again. I thought it was decent writing. So i'm guessing they're going with lacey in charlotte at mania. Do you think so. Keep oscar than his champ. Someone grown for her. Because i'm assuming it's gonna obviously the winner of the women's rumble. Which will get to intersect is going to be facing sasha concierge in any other thing maybe like rick salerno poll or something. Rick flair on powell. Do you think do that though. Charlotte gopher oscar now. I don't see. I don't think charts for us to and this is just to keep charlotte busy. But they're putting so much emphasis on this that i feel like the blow off can be ebb mania. Yeah maybe yeah maybe because they giving lacy a real big spotlight and they're making it quite a big thing but ric flair and they but Yeah it was. It was a good batch. I mean i it was short and i think it's because they pretty much all in the rumble bar oscar But it was a perfect kickoff show and we got new tag team champions and two time when we get to rumble. We'll get to. We'll get to why i met at night. Jack's you usually guess why ask we can tell right. So i'll do. The cards started with the drew gobert match raw. Yeah do you know well it was. It was exactly what it needed to be. They didn't get this one wrong. I mean like he. He's looking radio now go you think. He's he was winning the title. Nemo man shorts brought listener in twenty years. That's like a. He looked breath as he was coming in. Like we were saying like Drew had a long entrance because my no of made it but yeah drew survived. Despair at jama jackhammer. Quite it was. It was a very generous. Sir i am a you almost broke his neck like does everyone these days. I think we've go- bugged. They should have him back to do stuff like he did with dolph. I don't mind that but that thing at summerslam with dolph. I didn't mind. I can handle goldberg in that capacity. I don't think he needs to be top of the tree. I deny the end. Maybe looked like he realizing that he can't do this. any off. just disappeared but drew retained in two and a half minutes was the longest oberg batch of seen in years. Spur the problem is wwe. It's always been the problem with way. W w bush goldberg as they're trying to bill goldberg like he's an actual wrestler whereas wcw they've booked as a due to beat people in like six seconds or wes. Yeah except for that one time. That william regal shot on a complete fool. Yeah yeah he did. It was like a random nitro where they were just like. Hey william regal. You're doing the job to goldberg tonight. Wrinkles right i'll do the job to goldberg. But i'm gonna. I'm gonna i'm gonna throw actual wrestling holds in their how this guy can't do anything. He did like really regal guide. Because i've think i've seen i think he talks about it on the monday night. Wars disney On the network. I i see took it about that. Thousands of rows but now it was they. This wasn't right they booked. This wasn't right. We got to see some goldberg williams. You've got to see his entrance drew's to retains. Do you think drew ho. John now goes into remedy or champ. You don't think there's any moments webs really are see. We'll get to this is i. i. I think he's gonna go smack myself these to be right but we'll get to that once you get to obviously the rumble pa setbacks and camilla. I have to say good. I think i preferred they match the hatred towards camilla's blows my mind because i actually think she's a lot more talented than people think. She's really good and for me. This might be a bit controversial. I would now put sasha banks in the conversation as the best women's wrestler wrestling. Oh i agree. I she would definitely be in that conversation. There are not many better than her. Because come editor is really good. But when sacha i think it made a look even better you know i great. She's on the biggest run right now. I think of her and she's already been amazing from before obama. How you said she could be even be in the conversation as the best wrestler right. Now you think you'd you'd consider her if you're putting a list of merging men and women who is the best. I think session would still be that conversation. If that's if the winner of the of the women rumbles gonna fight her lack the potential matter the night. Yeah that could definitely still. The show hugged percent hundred percent Puerto rico good match and as i think sasha may come and look better but come in is better than i think. She gets credit for jews very good character. She's a pretty good wrestler. She's got a lot better and she's improved. But yeah i again. I really liked. I do think that teo see match was better than they looked christiane because it was next to to women's royal rumble. I love this. I loved this. You're lucky there was no mary. Lucky on the night train. Now why is that gio. Why is that it. Limited to me spreads for your family. Yeah i have my end. Ep for the women's rumble there. It was billy billy k. Yep that was great. We were laughing so hard. I was gonna veg that she coming for ad. She sat down on tree added. Short-sea come out and with tag shut from a fire at a g right back to the cupboard tree and she kept coming out to like oscar to be that partner. I'd it was but it was done really well. It wasn't like it was annoying. It was way bitty case characterize fitted her. Well she eventually did get a partner. Some did fight. He say yes we choose. Jillian whole jillian hole was in the rumble. An big one victoria victoria back to now. She was meant to be back last. You ready but then nobody see them photos. But you could see about you. Think she'll stick around or do you think we're seeing here again. It was one of those. Were just want also because of everything that happened with mia yet. Nate date they scratched around. Yeah so it was obviously also found out that vince wasn't at the rumble. he wasn't net was. I'm assuming because of the me. A yemen panicked testing thing and his age. I'm human but aaa choose the matinee charge of the rebel. And do you think it was noticeable with the amount of annex t people. I mean his shot sivas in it turning storms in at kai is in it. Yeah it was great. Yeah it was really good. I think there was some good bits. they've come. Ella had a fun elimination spot. I don't know if it needed to become the did that. But it was fun to me just super the lips of reginald though they messed up the bailey lynn nation. Yeah we didn't see it was it. We didn't see it was the replay the i saw. I don't know if that was just me. Biding actually see it with. What's your faces. Entrance came out frigging rope and they were busy with that david really getting it. Yeah yeah yeah. And that was because he had been instance like number one vancouver's now Too good to see now. We back really good so of elimination saving with bianca. Saved by houghton bianca's bright. Did that really well little mini iconic reunion. Yeah no one of them within took yet they. What did the bill. Cain was like. Yeah no. I don't wanna do this. They got they got some revenge for. Lana she eliminated nyah. I think that was a nice touch. I hope that doesn't mean read. Nineteen the feud but yeah alexa so it was one of the favorites to win. She did her free feen. Transformation readjust large route. That was a bit of a surprise. But good rub career in the but rear even if this was the final four of bianca natalia charlotte and rhea ripley nazi out pretty quick. And i think all of us were panicked. Oh my god charlotte's gonna win. Oh by god. yeah. I wasn't but Yeah i knew they weren't going to let charlotte. Yeah no you're right. And i think it showed the women's rumble is to like is there hasn't been enough yet to be repeat. Yeah agree there was a nice bit. We've alicia fox in twenty four seven tile. That was the knowing me. They needed the twenty four seven interruption. But it wasn't too much and got at least you. Folks did the twenty seven title. I've wanted to see a twenty four seven cattle. Change your rumble bad. Who's get to see alicia fox. She looks quite well. She's obviously beaten some of demons so nice to see how good some of the surprises dudek steam. Both men and i think really really good performance and bianca fully deserved to win. And we are. I would be nine thousand nine percent sure that beyond cancer is going to be arrested of those. Besides rhea ripley. I don't see any of them. Like i see them as one all right okay. We'll be on the main. yeah. I didn't i think it's ripley in oscar. Okay okay see. I was thinking that they might do a triple threat and ria shallow. Sca i could see oscar daniel bryan it and they say something like night. One charlotte versus lacy winner goes into the triple. Maybe something that could be an idea because then they could they could. Just make sure you know. I feel like they've added charlotte to push rear last year. And i don't think really needs it now. I think she could on a match with us. Good that would be really really entertaining is going to be really feel like this. Is like her redemption angle now yeah i can say. There was some controversy. Obviously there's a slowdown a looks like beyond cappella. Both feet touch the floor. He actually watched the video. I don't think she does many video. And i think it's just very clever pitcher. I don't actually. She does that. Picture aaa jr in the morning. I've got to tell your quads temples quads. All research that live up thinking see in in the rejoice happy right now. He's just saying that. Yelling cedar batista. Why is he. See out of quotes. I'll in the rig. Okay then you show you how stubborn occupants mcmahon is because even triple eight twenty tour. His or kevin nash day. Oh they got help to the back. He was like no debit. I'm going to walk literally. Just waddled his broken legs because he's obviously told him on. The rab still climbed into regained. It was used to see keycorp. What happened is coming in. And he hit it on like coming in he. He hit one of bruce. Boards torn hidden loose board. Then he tried to stand up on the on his clawed if folk were a tour the other one there's like a secondary he the gets up like he stands up out again like my qua- never mind on the upside way by greatest rebel memories missing a greasy seen down. I predict four minutes. I've ever been like. Yeah that wrestlers a bad as it was that one it was undertaker legit being on fire doing the slow baker walk while is jacket is burning. Definitely best of the pyro and like he did that. What a break character. Which fire burns triple h at mania was him versus brock and he got. He got like second degree burns because he got like that. It was like the powdered smoke. Stuff got over him was in the burkart like it's like powdered smoke. Type stuff burned them. And then of course. Here's dana in japan just got his eyeball ripped avin continue to go say oh no. I just unheard not happening. I think if if you watch the video you'll see. I don't think bank is a very close. I think he's just a clever. Why self every what looked to both. I mean the photo does look like it. But then you watch acting. We'd action out takes but i would say from the women's rumbles i would say because performance is one of the best that we've seen three. They've done now so February tonto wrestlemainia for miss. Bella loved rights. That's gonna be home sop show. Yeah i'll even that'll be thing or from a. Yeah which is why. I think the other one's gotta take a smackdown one yet. Because he's smack. I think but anyway smigun jeff. Speaking of that roman reigns. Took on kevin owens last man standing. Yes absolute bag for murmured rights for me just an Demand simply cannot miss right now. I said this isn't a court for anybody. Anybody who's calling the gulf thing and aws spot. Yeah i saw that. Kenny omega tweet. Zayd was nettie w What wrestlemanias seventeen raven literally tries to blow up the building. He drives that gulf cup. I think into kane but like swerves and hits the fucking like if he moved vehicles three more steps out he would have cut power to the whole mania so yeah it was actually done in estimated seven eight so that that'd be that guy but yeah it was a great awesome match. Say debbie's nobody bed. Romances return cheese camera. Yeah there were so many people trying to sabotage that wrestling. You had raven run overpower wines. Wanted to like blow policeman's brains out live on seventeen. Actually like i think maybe the best pay per view. I i listen to a where. He explained it where he was like well. I was broke. He bounced my checks. I was going to make an impact on the biggest show on. Just shoot him. Why saw the all of the radio. It's mattress olu week. It was still good like to have him. Choke him out but roman is so good right now too. I think so. That's three defeats. I wins is gonna put him back on. I think he's got to be h. I don't i do. And i think the role last night means i think i think i'm gonna go out. I think he's gonna be shameless. Shameless drew up. That's what i think. Unless now i was reading a story today of a prediction of jury facing sina. Now i i don't. I don't see that myself. I consider said that he's filming peacekeeper. He's not going to be at wrestlemainia but they said the and remember us j. He wasn't doing a gober i do. I do go back down to have two matches in a year. There's always the issues always dream match that everybody's like. Oh yeah. I mean you got triple agent sting hogan rock. You have different versions of what happened to these guys have got in there against each other. And that's one of gobert. Yeah and is a very very tiny window to get even a three minute matt and this year could be the odi one but yeah i mean i'm i'm thinking i think it's it's going to be shameless. Jrue edge. Maybe it'll maybe it'll be a cinematic thing and it's gobert trying to rescue from the funhouse. So we we fiend nina funhouse. Gobert back just comes busting dir. Yeah headbutts the wall. Try to find senior amazing. I said i've i've i've always said that the johnson is coming back this year. They need to do something. Where like they're brawling in there like he just walked out of one of the rooms in like run. This leaves get out. I'm hoping open. It's the same thing let johnson last year were reading. Your has to face different stuff that he's gone through so we'll see like randy news network will see why evolution i love it. I where a couple of alleged that he attacked or warm rain or something issue where they wake did all the different variations of of that. I'd love to see it. I could. I could get behind that. I could get behind that. But yeah i could get behind that bobby seat the kitchen. You build overseeing the men's room boot. Bring out bob holly. Oh my bob holly right renzo. Rambo edge number two on injured. Go carry to the back with a busted stephanie. Apparently that left age from number one nor as many surprises in demands rumble kalita was. Obviously what ripta's looking. Jack jack as all hell like straight up i and it's been ten years since he's been now. Wwe and then come back. so he's actually so he was on raw last night as well in a tag match. Who gets the less reiko with jeff hardy so apparently he's applied as part is going to be part time wrestler and producer. He's apparently grow. He's trying to go for it. I think they tried him out in the producer row. Like i think is a bit like mvp daniel bryan and engineering now but he will be wrestling at some point so good to have him back. Wanting colleagues are back for nine of detainees before we continue with rumble. Speaking of jack got what earth was. Booker t yeah. Why did book. We'll like he was in predator movie. Yeah i thought he was going to be in november pro. He's he's another one like where did all these mothers come off. But they said he's been working out year. There's big tokens got to be a rebel. And then he's gonna vote with hurt business. So i assumed the song and seeing some of these youtube promotions gear is in. I think that's what he wears on that. Maybe go with disney. We're going to have her. Like i know you said you you don't use it. It's too early. But maybe cedric weaves them and that he he becomes cedric adenjer. At least to attack back or something. Yeah maybe like mvp hidden and shouting against booker and cedric. I could see something like that. Yeah yeah. I could do that. Because i think you'll be keith. Lee bobby lashley wrestlemainia keith. Lee will vote for the. Us title myself said my while. Prediction digging triples rather cakes lee. Well actually end mr burrow because they've been doing that story to although he took a hell of last night for i liked they booked ashley really well actually tossing people have to write in a rumble for a while. I tell you one of the surprises. That really caught my eye. Saw damian priest was awesome I'm a big fan of. They mean i big big fan any good push into remember. You got like four or five. Eliminations he mays did he last night a morrison he beat one of them. I think it was morrison. Actually on roles. I'm guessing he's unroll yet. Definitely got a chance to damian. Priest do you. Somebody's keys role in the rumble. No so i read this morning. Cain was the keith lee replacement quickly. Apparently he turned up got tested and away from everyone did. He's like took only took his mask off to the rumble bay. Come out rambo to another test or something and then went back to work go in and out apparently came. It was the substitute. I thought it was ricochet because he'd lost a match to be in the rumble ap. Apparently no cain was the one that made up to thirty and he came in got test didn't take his moscow. Those people replace retribution. Yes i think that ricky jay. Yeah i think so too because obviously that's been a little bit of trouble pulled me a game of what they find out two days before the rumble was friday that she tweeted. So obviously keith. lee out me out is shooting. They would have been in a rumble and the other guys in retribution. But yeah yeah. We saw ali obviously in it. But i think the president are still down in florida and they like sharing apartment whereas ali's not because he's he's been main roster anyway. Yeah so yeah be guessing yeah parody. It was just ripped out. Didn't take us. Moscow wasn't allowed near eighty one going to rumble debut staying test back any suit and now you can just hear that phone We have a problem. You just come and push debut breeze little bit forest get out. How does team how no team. How never unit which was great and literally speaking of unions edge. Obviously back is huge. Never thought i'd see edge again. Christian is back. Oh my god edgy christian in the same ring like i never thought i would see that like other than interview. Spot tremendous tremendous and apparently christians fighting. So he's gonna be fighting against a engine. See weapons opinion have never been high on christian. I wasn't until you went to me. I fell in love with the dana. But i once he came back from back. Wwe i just couldn't get into it of it like that stuff and that was great. It's just. I'm pete so it was beautiful to see him at edgbaston and a fortune to be the new. You want edge that hurt. yeah kind of. Yeah and it was never going to be to be christian. But yeah so. We got the final. Obviously messiah seth. Rollins is back returned to twenty-nine yes good to see sas back. And i'm glad yeah. I'm glad it's still messiah very very glad. But it still desire. I worry about him being on smackdown with vermin such good hail and the messiah character in such a good. he'll ways the face on smackdown face. That's why i think edge is gonna over who other than wnyc. I think. They're going to daniel bryan seth at wrestlemania. That's why i think now. Brian hasn't won the rumble. Which is why. I think edge will gopher think you. Yeah i can. I can handle it. But that's why i think because they haven't got any other faces other than reading you both rumble winners going for smackdown. Titles i think role will get as out of limitation chamber alive. That's what i think. Probably gonna think. I think shameless jewish had such a good year. I don't shame you know for the year he's had. That's why i think it sina i. i can't get out my head. I think you'll be seen at drew. I don't know why come to me. I i feel like it's going to be seen a feeling the night after mania though we are going to get the start of rock and and will not the night after mania but like a spat addict. We're going to get the start of rock and roman yet. Because i have romans going to come victorious at wrestlemainia and then q. The rocks music. He's gonna come out. And like johnson is a he's gonna lose he's not gonna wanna leave the wearing. The rocks appear to have a staredown going to lead to them creating over match and it'll be a year ball build like they did with him and see whereas he'll be able to do other. You know this is going to be a match at me. Yeah we need to say. Crime has to have a year long build on. I'm okay with that. Does have potential to be something once fans come back that they build up for a year hoping that fans will be back fulltime. They got money on it. Yeah it's true. And i think we the way everything is i think in a year's time once vaccines and all that have had proper time to kick in and you know things to get lifted boom. I big wrestling event is rock roman headed. Yeah whatever over that stray into money even though he beats him amid caches it. Yes that's why i was going to go. I think i think mizzou cashier wrestlemainia. I'm just not sure who lives gets to be healed. Champion ons mac down instead of west champion on raw agent. I just i the reason. I don't know if it will be. I think moment beats ed. I don't know if he's cash in. I can see as cashing in on said apathy on that. Edge is going to get his final his final hurrah. After this. he'll he'll get the victory in being able to write off to the sunset and see if environment i think right. Now the reason the bigger yielding berman and there probably isn't a big face than edge in terms of bowl internet and otherwise you know Fighting roman wings. I think they put the title on part time champ on either. Show the minute. Yep because the only problem with this. I don't think edges wanted full-time ex-champion no. You'll be like having burtless now having detail. I didn't maybe off olusola on twitter resolve. Vince loves part time. Rob era are the same people that are cheering staying in a street fight by the way. Just say save people say. Vince likes the tigers. But we're still cheese sting. Okay anyway go grab geos already agreed up of what we make your wrestling for the week. The next twenty minutes why. Why do they do this to myself. Lighting people right so we we take suggestions as anyone since people first suggestions for gio to watch during the week we've had best bogo. We've had some valentine this week. Though we kozlov which negoti just the funding i came in as a munster ended up a bit of the main. That's not a bad one so tokyo and he's like yeah. Okay so he goes to watch batches and there's stick because i decided why going to kabul mattress. Somebody else played little seeds in my head in the discord in their. Like you should do santino one of these weeks like you know what i could probably get this out of. The way i was like grew in property is going to do a deep dive nine or ten since they're both there and i regret every minute of it. You people wanna complain about twenty twenty. Go back ten years. I think the be was at one moment. So i played dead by daylight where he's talking about the bits that you see it. And he's talking about nexus and he's like damn they destroyed. Ricky you know mickey jack. Ricky steamboat dragon and that then all of a sudden he's gone quiet. Come up. Why am i to hold swallow gauge out. Why he's swallowed. Rust cowboy travels dressed as a cow. Oh come on what was wrong. We've oh nine. And i thought oh nine you had these dumb go general managers. Some of them were football players on the basketball players. Some them movie stars who really didn't know product so they do dumb things like georgina. It's uber for jordan at summer. Fest dumber slam summer slam. Some of these people didn't know what they were doing. Is that the. Mvp drafted fest are nine Got drafted above like triple h in ponca. The i remember that it was. Mvp and the big show. I think i still think my favorite draft is two thousand eleven. We got drafted to smackdown. We'll be getting you get drafted to raw i. The ms was just starting to get into his character so it was like this weary all development stage where he's going from some dude with a chick magnet shirt a green mohawk. Yeah any. I got morrison and he got. It was show ms for a bit as well when you go into. Two thousand got ran. You're doing things claiming anger issues. He's like online kit. Vince mcmahon. Because i have i it it makes me angry all tar me. I get odd hunting around his house in really bad segment. That owns a window. Jason shameless shameless is beaten up joggers. Because he just debuted like he beaten up late jamie noble like. It was a three weeks in a row where he just kept fighting shave with an equally. Could come out like a new portable bandaged. Oh god well carlito's like not in the grew out his goatee and of afro. It just not care. Yeah he stopped. Caring didn't hear that point. Because i think there's one he's working with tori rousson. Rick flashes rips into him. And and i think that was. Everyone like the resurgence of ric flair. And popova. i think was kaleo is worth it just disappeared in just the act was around and it was not good because were just like that they were just two forty something year. Old dudes pretending. They're in their twenties high executive stuff that they had to helena. So mcmahon oh legacy stuff with legacy for a year after losing to take your and he became a fried coke walk in the cafeteria when you doing here. And he's a god job as just show you can tell show. Michael is very his christian beliefs now. So he's not going to be. An edgy was in ninety seven and triple h just an all dead. So it was like these two old. Then they brought in hordes lago bad little people's court sin and they said they were doing their version of e c w average has no not right they are. I'm not doing nine. people either. Baked suggestions. I think next week already. Got something i believe i. I don't think i have anything. 'cause i kicked off on stuff doing this. Yeah yeah to be fallow other suggestions around the minute i. I'll be so but that was two thousand nine might be doing that stuff. It was wrestlemainia. Twenty-five kaleo won the rated twenty five. Oh and also part of two thousand nine. We had a random Chris hero god from tna trauma but other part of beer money. That's not balmy. We would jamestown. His partner wasn't storm storm's partner when they were like america's most wanted i forget his cavernous. Yes chris harris harris at me so much. Tna just yet he's shown a two weeks on smackdown. What was called a superstar initiative and his crawford was literally. Now knock muddying brandon walker here. Kick your. you're headed knock knock man you got cococabana being a bad comedian. Kids already for two weeks. Doing whatever he was doing it was just a bad year. There was people for frying. The makers it was so much is the pay per view. I think it was in the summer when santino handicap help pen match against travel and vicky we are not we also had them trying to make great khali. Look like a massive star by question basketball. You may be wondering what that was. That was i think the beginning of nine he was like their world edge. Got hurt in a like doing with kane. And he became the world champion. Hill battle royal. He was demonstrating alec smash things that he was crushing basketball to the vets. And they did the montreal's joe biden take. It didn't really punk. They tried to montjeu again. Submission matt love with edge and big show at the same time and mike knox was a thing. Masters showed up kelly. Kelly was like on a big that was like a big tension. I where i was like. What are the teams matches. This is bad. Kelly kelly cat russell. She's got moves. Why what is this because when you look like the best phoenix. They had gal came. They had like actual wrestlers but losing to roll ups to kelly. Kelly i think she was drafted. I when she in two thousand ten she was the number one draft pick come. She's terrible day. yeah it was. It was a tough time it but he was showing because there was a lot of the roster was really good it was choose was really uncomfortable. Fat shaming mickie james. Oh yeah that was awesome cool. Yeah they call was the thing this way. Davey davey heart. Smith and tyson kidd the tag champs for and the cargo is rough then they broke up and for like two weeks was like on his own and he had like some muscles dude as his bodyguard. But then i got fired because it turned out that he was dating rosa mendez and he beat her up like that. Yeah it was bad and to be able to two thousand. Ten wasn't much better. Was there high as a kite. Brian kendrick to and evan bourne. That would have been around that time. Right evan bourne. That would have been two thousand ten twenty ten. Do you remember when ms champions match with the king on the raw and king was like one. Step away from the god you. Michael commentary heal. My cuco is horrible vegetables. Yeah it was tough time. It was tough brain. Why who he's chubby. Dude like man three talk about somebody who look is so much better now. Bread white ten years ago just sat southern redneck guy and that was the cheese character really went light make engines will train caboose option. God yeah crazy Crazy periods of time. But when i broke the phone with you get worse. Then i decided. Let me try. Because i'm getting like these little previews of how next became taxes and stuff. Now let me try to watch some of this annex t and man. Oh man mike glad. They changed the format of that. They had people cutting promos on mustaches. On annex t. Yes because he was a game show. Why first had a back up. Yeah go back. The i added to these two or three seasons were basically game show debut like maybe one or two wrestling matches. It was a bit like tough enough. Wasn't it it was different. Because they had challenges. Where debut i you. These bear kids on her batching and race around the ring. And like didn't you can tell some of the stuff wasn't scripted. Because they wanted to test him so they do things like. Here's the hat. Here's some words. You're pulling word out of the hat and you have two minutes to cut a promo on said word and like one guys. It's like mustache. Meanwhile take mine. This dude got a mustache his mustache so people have them. I don't i've good mustache. Jerry you should. He doesn't have about stash. Is that when. Brian was on it and they made him around the stadium with hot dogs and stuff. Eating hot dogs is god. I've tried to block. The my head was like all females. They add co punk on commentary. Which made it because you take a page out of these women like after would say something and you were not oscar ghana and he. What what are she saying. Can i get some words year. I can't understand her a like a ass like that. Three was such a mess because so many people got switched around like their whole big thing was in be vickie. Guerrero was mentoring like this. Seven foot tall amazon woman and then it turns out she was like on fetish sites wrestling. Small people. Cancel kit this out. He was like all these like fetish. People would pay to like watch wrestle tiny people but oh god how do you do it made you miss two thousand nine hundred thousand ten. No it has. Maybe wanna kick like four showers. Guess sorry you do have next week. Is three minute warning next week. With rico with rico go into rosie being a superhero. You gotta start with three million ward in the rico what happens diversity of jubal cast lead you down a very dark path. Because they interrupted billion chumps wedding. Watch six yeah so week. Three minute wanted rico. Because that policies that will lead you to the billion chuck went in. That's enrico joined now. I have to watch out was being action. Such a tough life. Say say a little bit news to replace my game. That was santana. Cava was used to replace my and apparently if random. Yeah if hadn't made it stallion was actually going to fill the gap guy. He was he was at backstage. Really take the spot but they went with kane. Daniel bryan bit good stallions actually on that list. Because he's doing some bits two five you need to keep it on. That boy and he was on. Annex was last week or the week before come out to chase down. Santos escobar into a beast could ally one surprise return. We didn't mention obviously hurricane appeared chart. Snap it lashley and someone it nicely. I got a bath. Good out howard caine because it was a comic book vibe so good to see him yeah. Other bits of news of his christian is signed to a part time schedule. He's he as officially been cleared to return to the ring and he will be on a part time schedule since his retirement from concussions in two thousand fourteen do anticipate like a lot. More people coming back seeing the names that have been clear. You know like the edges. The christians the bryans shameless. We know is had issues. This told jason jordan is at least trying to get back tyson kidd. I know he was actually just to see him in. A ring is enough. Whether it's ever on telly. But do you think that people page she think whatever see page. Barry never way she's been. Do you think that's why she changed her name on twitch because maybe there's a route back for her to wrestle. I would assume so. Here's another way. Why have coles matter head. You can't john lott which she shaved. Michael calls name her head. I have no idea what it's got to be some backstage thing. It got a. It's got to be strange. It's very strange. Did you watch ronda. Rousey of luck with how to make a lot of color. I don't know i click today at. She's now told me out to make a lot. I can make a lot like the rousing. Dairy able to watching ronda rousey makes cowboy. I think people like your reviews member. Could i say they you appreciate. I mean i'm still ploughing through tna the jeff jarrett years. It's hard work. it's it's was really about. I don't remember now that i'm looking back like it really was just entertainment it was nobody else matted like why my god like jeff. Jarrett didn't lose emma. He's hard stuff man this hard stuff and yeah that's what. Tna's down for wasn't thanks. Now any back now. I think a little bit i The other bad news both mysterious very dominant confirmed they tested positive for covid on december nineteenth early december which is why they went around. I believe so here. We go his another wrestlemainia which will get obviously as the month goes on. We'll get closer to it. I think thou go fill the tag title. Okay i think you'll be the mysterious rose prophets ziglar rude like a multi man tag match like somebody. Yeah i think so. I think the mysterious will be tag champs and that will stop them. Few didn't over the year. Because i think obviously we dominic is what we want to dominated the rumble. And lastly just lord tim likes. That was crazy. But yeah i think that i. I firmly believe that they'll be detecting because the smackdown tag division needs desperately needs tag teams. Desperate news i've ridden randy. Necessity wants covering across the main roster as soon as possible so they can fight make money and then drink some small is said and obviously he could out austin from saying he thinks he's fucked up that hasn't had any a podcast yet battle motherfucking lace a pair of boots and probably one of the top goats of all time real talk. Where you at. Steve his tweets. But yeah diver ghani other news people to actually sat there and listened to bed bunny and didn't take a sprite body. That's the thing that once he started. You think you need to do anything english. There wasn't even subtitles. The subtitles i just said singing. In spanish gray chairs is more made that staring at like the bronze statuettes poker gay look good that he did look in really good shape still dresses on that youtube thing that he didn't stuff then he's i mean he's still keeps himself well and then he came out and you know w w was like all right. Dog jumped rope. Yeah he didn't he to be nearly slipped but yeah he slipped trademarks. Dante arrears has been trademarked by wwe. It's four w. garcia who recently appeared on t. That's going to be his name. Wsb dante riaz and that's it no sightings of i'm gary worst thing. Oh yeah there was. There was there was yes side. Wwe nazis batch for the annex t u k brandt so. I went up japanese legend. Is it meco sat a mortar. And she's going to face kelly ray. Isn't she soon. I think that she'd been signed the treaty for that match tony gill assigned lucky kid meta han turkish guy. Bailey matthews is. Who's the son of william rigo and of course goose into sing from impact. He was into desi. Hit squad twenty. Yes he was like And they've been off doing their thing with women joining. I mean obviously we. We didn't touch on surprised that we didn't see valkyrie or tessler the rumble or anything. Do you bills you. I think with all the covert stuff that was happening that night that they economy just pull back on some of them. Yeah i think so. It don't want to risk getting. He's new new people sick. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah i suppose is is a bit tough but then big signings for inex- t u k is well it really given a really big push. Yeah man. i'm really quite impressed. Really quite impressed you k- like obviously that the japanese go. She's going to be fighting. Katie right. I think they already said that. She's going to be fighting as he hits one guy for the new india promotion. Okay so they'll start in the uk for awhile and then send him over there. Yeah jesse hit squad. Car whiter regal's son's going to be the uk yet bailey matthews in it baby matthews so yeah good science and obviously w w we look into the future and stuff wasn't report saying that it's the mood was the best it's been for a long time. Most upbeat wild there. Yeah so yeah. Of course this wrestlemainia fans isn't it plan is they are going to have some is he gonna be like they do in football and stuff like i believe it's a fifty percent capacity is something like that route is gonna be like key workers and stuff like they're doing american football games that kind of thing impressive Slight injuries does not clear Camilla's not injured and kevin harlan's apparently fine took her. I don't take those things. Because sometimes they fabricate Hordes yeah yeah. It's difficult sometimes. Sometimes these very clear sometimes. It's not so there was reports by shane. Casey can czar. Were backstage at the rumble. Two was that she was going to appear but she didn't and there was no chelsea greed. Obviously and of course la is well back and of course me. How can we not talk about roy quickly last night her anatomy a number one contenders for the tag titles. Interested to see me doing things i thought. Now join the thing. But she's doing her thing on rural you think they'll beat nyoman sharing betak champs. You think it's not a denier me that give her push. Let lana get one up nyah. I think that's going to. I think it's going to be a moment for lonzo if her while her husband is struggling over and aws. We'll save that for another day right idia. The week is the people as cheers and the people he idiots this week. That is the bad buddy. Buddy break yeah. Definitely pittsburgh i one. You're at many when he was like p. Diddy came out that was again. I'm going to take this well right now. I am going to go. And watch the yokozuna documentary because pani is really good the icon. Why are you getting things like yokozuna warning that is just how the dice roll. I don't know what to tell you you're using your powers me. You see me using my fakes lamis. That's what is yes. I get yokozuna. Geo gets through but it won't in. That's going to be a great week. Right bitching moaning discord again so by guys if you do want to reach out jail around most evenings in in discords links below. Come find us. If you've got suggestions of me and gio to watch shoot them our way. We're happy to watch wrestling. Is this loads of impact. You listen i've had to watch jeff jarrett. Okay come on. Now you'll get the exhibition. Get a big open. An old man. Mas- married people. Thanks leagues episode. I could already tell is going to be co. did i hear myself say three minutes. Good right for me three minute warning for year at and we will be back with no doubt yoga. Three minute warning. 'cause you love it. The dice have been set. You get three minute warning right. I'm gonna go tried copying down. You're gonna go epsom fun exit. Yeah all right in.

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Go off autopilot

Before Breakfast

05:57 min | 7 months ago

Go off autopilot

"Hey listeners it's yo playtime you'll play. Yogurt has calcium. Kids need help build strong bones and play long. Grab a cup of yo play original or tasty gobert and get moving. Your playtime invites the whole family to get up and play their way. We like to play tag in the backyard and go for bike rides during long summer evenings when it's time for a snack reach for a cool and creamy yo play original or take it on the go with gobert find your favourite yo play and gobert flavors at yo play dot com welcome to before breakfast production of iheartradio. Good morning. this is laura. Welcome to the before breakfast podcast. Today's tip is to go off autopilot. By nudging ourselves out of mindlessness we can be more mindful and hopefully happier. Today's tip like a few. This week comes from. Melissa steadiness as book everyday mindfulness this book features over a hundred ideas for introducing mindfulness into daily life. Number forty seven is attend to autopilot. Melissa writes like most people. You probably spend a lot of time doing things off uphill it. Washing the dishes commuting to work cleaning running errands and so on but she says there is much to be gained by being present. That is paying attention during your everyday tasks and routines everything. You do can be an opportunity to cultivate mindfulness and gratitude. Now of course there's a reason our brains go on autopilot. Sometimes we do many things routinely and our brains can't be firing twenty. four seven. Going on autopilot frees up our brains to daydream to process things. That have happened are just to relax. That said too much. Auto-pilot makes life seemed to disappear are most memorable times when time seems to slow down our when we are paying close attention to everything that's going on. Think about a vacation somewhere exotic. You are noticing everything because it's also different in the time before breakfast on the first day can feel like a fortnight at home. You probably aren't going to morocco or kim building or the arctic anytime soon but you can pay attention and go off autopilot for a little while even everyday life. Melissa suggests that you choose one thing you usually do on autopilot and pay close attention to that activity. So for instance. She suggests that you drive in silence to practise positive self talk or meditate as clean the house while cooking eating and washing dishes silently. Express your gratitude for good food and clean water. She says even the most mundane moments can bring wonder if you try. I wrote this at the beginning of november. For about a week. I could see a blazingly red maple tree out the kitchen window. As i was doing the dishes i make a point of buying nice smelling dish soap. Lavender pair lemon that sort of thing and warm water. Feels good uncalled hands. Even laundry can bring a smile. When i look at tiny baby sox then this transforms into exasperation. When i can't find the matching sock tiny baby sox inevitably get lost but they're fleeting tinus. Can jar you out of autopilot for awhile so today choose one routine thing to make less automatic smell. Those coffee beans notice the brilliance of a cooking pan or spoon. It took humanity a long time to figure these things out. Same thing with your buttons and zippers not to mention furnaces that generate nice pleasant levels of heat as you set the thermostat you can pause and pay attention a little bit of mindfulness makes daily life memorable and memorable days. Don't slip unnoticed into the past. In the meantime this is laura. Thanks for listening. And here's to making the most of our time. Hey everybody i'd love to hear from you. You can send me your tips your questions or anything else. Just connect with me on twitter. Facebook and instagram at before breakfast pod. That's be the number four then breakfast p. o. d. you can also shoot me an email at before breakfast. Podcast at iheartmedia dot com. That before breakfast is spelled out with all the letters. Thanks so much. I look forward to staying in touch before. Breakfast is a production of iheartradio for more podcasts. From iheartradio visit the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows you're even worse you emails.

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Second Cup: Create online water cooler moments

Before Breakfast

05:28 min | 11 months ago

Second Cup: Create online water cooler moments

"Hey listeners. It's Yo playtime. You'll play yogurt has calcium kids need to help build strong bones and play long grab a cup of Yo play original or tasty Gobert, and get moving your playtime invites the whole family to get up and play their way. We like to play tag in the backyard and go for bike rides during long summer evenings when it's time for a snack reach for a cool and creamy Yo play original or take it on the go with Gobert find your favorite Yo play and Gobert flavors at Yo play dot com. Welcome to before breakfast production of iheartradio. Good Morning. This is Laura. Welcome to the before breakfast podcast. Today's tip is about how to create online water cooler moments. That is little moments of connection with people you mostly interact with virtually. This tip like several other networking tips we've discussed this week comes from writer and investor. J. Kelley host. Book build your dream. Network. If you think about the proverbial office water cooler it's where people gather to share information and get to know each other. The downside of a real physical water cooler is that you're limited to the people in your actual office. Realistically on your corner of your floor. The online world is much more vast. You could meet anyone at this virtual water cooler. And by visiting frequently, you increase the chances of making real connections even with fairly high profile people in your industry. Hallway suggests that you should aim to create multiple touch points when creating your own online water cooler moments. She offers a menu of items to consider. For instance, if the person is an influence her. Follow their posts on Lincoln. Sign Up. For. Their newsletter. Right an Amazon review for their book. Even well, read books might have only one hundred or so reviews, which means that yours we'll get seen. You can read and comment on the person's blog posts or instagram posts and the more you do this, the more your name will become known to the blogger and their community. You can subscribe to spread the word about their podcasts, and of course, rate their podcasts on apple podcasts. You can share their commented on facebook or by retweeting it, you can use their particular hashtags, many people search on twitter instagram for their hashtags, and we'll see this touch point. This might not be true if the person has two million followers but someone in your industry with twenty thousand followers of course, they'll notice. You can participate in any online sessions are webinars they're hosting, and as you're participating, share your insights. Now. Of course, you don't WanNa be. About any of this, you probably don't want to be the first person commenting on every post but the funny thing is that the more we see someone's name and interact with them even virtually the more we feel like we know them. This the other day I was trying to explain how I knew someone and it occurred to me that I'd never actually met her in real life. But we'd exchanged enough online comments and touch points that I felt like I knew her possibly better than I know some people I actually know like neighbors, my kids, classmates, parents. So how you create online cooler minutes. How will you connect and grow your network virtually? Take a few minutes today to think about this and take a few minutes every day to invest in these activities. Over time, you'll start to feel better connected. Even without leaving your house. which you still should do at some point. But that's not the only route. To robust network. In the meantime, this is Laura thanks for listening and here's to making the most of our time. Hey everybody I'd love to hear from you. You can send me your tips, your questions or anything else. Just connect with me on twitter facebook and Instagram at before breakfast pot. That's be e the number four then breakfast he o d. You can also shoot me an email at before breakfast podcasts at iheartmedia dot com that before breakfast is spelled out with all the letters. Thanks so much look forward to staying in touch. Before breakfast is a production of iheartradio. For more podcasts from iheartradio visit, the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Hey listeners. My schedule's pretty busy with running my own business and caring for five children I need something that can keep my energy up. So I'm thrilled that I found the newest snack bar to join Nature Valley's lineup the Nature Valley packed sustained energy bars. This new and unique addition is a bar packed with hardworking ingredients. You can feel good about like creamy nut butter, crunchy nuts and seeds and chewy cranberries. BLUEBERRIES try new nature valley packed today available wherever you buy groceries in store or online. Again, try nuture valley packed sustained energy bars today.

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But first this

Before Breakfast

05:55 min | 1 year ago

But first this

"Hey listeners. It's Yo playtime. You'll play. Yogurt has calcium kids need help. Build strong bones and play long grab a cup of Yo play original or tasty Gobert and get moving your playtime invites the whole family to get up and play their way. We like to play tag in the backyard and go for bike rides during long summer evenings when it's time for a snack, reach for a cool and creamy Yo. Play original or take it on the go with Gobert. Find your favorite Yo play and Gobert flavors at Yo. Play Dot Com. Welcome to before breakfast production of iheartradio. Good Morning. This is Laura. Welcome to the before breakfast podcast? Today's tip is for those moments when you're work, it's hard and you're tempted to turn your attention elsewhere. You can do that after you persist a little longer on the task at hand. Identify a natural stopping point. You'll reach before you take a break and then persist until you get there. Telling yourself but I. This will keep you going just a little bit more. Anyone who set exercise goals is familiar with the idea of pushing in the face of a little discomfort. If, you're running a half marathon and you're tired at mile eleven well. You don't sit down on the curb or head over to a nearby restaurant. Somehow you pace yourself to get through to the end. Most people who lift weights won't stop at Rep Eleven. They'll somehow push twelve. And in many cases, we don't feel the same urge toward a natural stopping point with other kinds of work. That bookcases ninety percent assembled, but we hit a tricky part and well. Is it time to go grab a cup of coffee? I could ever podcast script for this show or the new corner office almost written and get stuck on the closing and go check my email. I bet you can recall when you've also stopped in the middle of task. For those of us who work at computers, what usually happens is that we're deep in a project and then hit a roadblock. Something is challenging or he briefly get knocked out of a state of flow. We could keep going pushing through the challenge until we hit a natural stopping point. But it's so tempting to just check email instead. Ease off the pressure. Just see what's there. Except here's the problem. That roadblock! It's still there. And when you go back to it, because of course, eventually you do have to go back to it. You're starting from zero. Whereas before you had a running start. It's not going to be easier to deal with now. It will probably be harder. You'll have to get back into the project. Figure out where you were regain momentum and then tackle the issue. It's often better to persist just a little longer and then take a brain break. Instead of switching gears as soon as work. It's hard. Try telling yourself but I this. You don't have to resist checking emailer. Headlines are getting a glass of water or whatever you do when your mind needs arrest. Just. Delay Your mental break until you finish writing the next paragraph. Responding to the final question in your clients, e mail, or whatever the challenging task! Complete the next step. That way you'll maintain momentum and get more done. This is a much better option than giving up. Even unintentionally every time something gets hard. You may find that by the time you finish writing the next paragraph for creating the next slide. You're able to keep going even beyond the spot where you gave yourself permission the stop. But even if not, when you take your break, you'll have already spot to come back to. Getting back in the groove won't be quite so hard. So today if you find tempted to check email when the going gets rough, persist just a little longer, i. Get to a natural stopping point. But I this. You may be surprised at just how far you go. In the meantime. This is Laura. Thanks for listening and here's to making the most of our time. Hey everybody I'd love to hear from you. You can send me your tips your questions or anything else. Just connect with me on twitter, facebook and instagram at before breakfast pod. That's be the number four then breakfast P. O. D.. You can also shoot me an email at before breakfast podcasts at iheartmedia dot com that before breakfast is spelled out with all the letters. Thanks so much I. Look Forward to staying in touch. Before breakfast is a production of iheartradio. For more podcasts from iheartradio visit the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. If you need business communications, US bondage. They've got unified communications, contact centers and Communications Api's that will make your life complete communications wise, but that's it. Those are the things they're great. They're not great at making really interesting podcast with helpful time management tips for that kind of stuff. The person reading this is way better so for business communications that save you time and energy before breakfast podcast for quick tips that save you time and Energy Vodka Jr now. We're talking.

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#76 - Dunk or Flunk?

The Swingman Podcast

42:46 min | 2 months ago

#76 - Dunk or Flunk?

"Taylor all sittings welcome back to number seventy six swingman podcast. I'm your host. Joel edge on on by louis housing and louis alad. We would normally breakdown everything that's going on in the nba in the past week. But we're going to be different approach. We're gonna be going through and it was kinda balance. Switzer recently about supplies have been overwrite. Adl apparently underrated design like bounced between the two. So we're just gonna we're gonna throw some names out. There have a little discussion amongst ourselves about what lies in this league. We think carve right and underwrite only current paul. Maybe another podcast down the line but we have devised up five plays h on which is going to have an open open town whole conversation and we're going to be whose whose override and who is under aid just because i am lewis you pick apply to acquire. I'm gonna pay five k. Well we'll start this off of a bang and essentially just to save when pay these players. It's not because we haven't picked five over eight and five hundred. That will just pick five. That we think would bring up a good discussion amongst the three of us. And so i'm going to kick off the one they'll probably bring the best discussion amongst the three of us. And that is rudy gobert. Who is a hot topic on this postal with time because we have one person who is very much very much dislikes the jazz adversity very particular and then can be indifferent about it and then another person on the other side the hey there are a fan of them. But the they like the more than the restless duke gogol. I do appreciate you start because it's really not easy. One that we can just get over and done with in four seconds over rated is yeah. I was gonna take this over to you to make the case i because i knew you're the one that's the strongest failings about it. So why don't you like the case. I mean how rudy go bay. He's actually writing in this league. While ease is actually astonishing to the point of the has to be scientific fact behind the mangled given a max contract. You're looking at the famous coming out that looking at the fact that he's been giving them contracts for his career. He averaged twelve points. He's a center. he's seven one gave me on defense. He stuff you go. He's not true defender. He's a rim protector of you. Talk about best defenders in the league. I don't want to hear any talk rudy. Gobert safai ultimate in which you could make for me to see him. Get an old stalls for him to be getting a max contracts of how this man could be underrated. He is massively overrated for what he does at. He's just love to hear inaugural raca. Okay yeah it might be that point of view but for some of the averages twelve point six career. I don't even care what rebounds he's probably and ten or eleven eight the there is no argument to combat. That was an until. I'm not gonna lie a slightly break that down. Bit season-high difference. I'd boys role is. He's a max contract plot. He's not being tight that much money to get that many points. That's just not what he's rollers. His valley resolve ac- in the thanksgiving. Is that what he's rumbles us. Just just a bit below the belt to be honest with you post now anyway. I don't know where it's really start. Because i was just unbelievably really like biggest fan. What's that contract offer. So i suppose if you some leagues if you talk about the utah jazz front office. Maybe a bit overrated. Not in that regard. I think on twitter social age in general so discourse of the nba. He's quite resembling chris. Ause filed limited is is he is. He's a very limited offensively. Post guy is his offensive game. Basically ceram so dunks alley oops pick relatives. That type of thing does do stuff offensive The white he just saw rose to the rim. Immed- you have to pay attention to in return has led to open shots for the utah jazz in the palestinian must not. It'd be this season when they get into mush free point shots off and the most free point shots in in the league. But obviously i. I'm not gonna go to eight on beyond the right defensively because the defensive of is Defensive value for him is where laws and it. You call you can check. The statistics statistics every single season since he's played series minutes not winning folk. I got drafted couple seasons in. They have just gradually improved in defensive. Right in the become on the best defensive teams in the league you can up solely put in that down to route. I mean that that lasts the lie. That's what the stats say. That's where the trends law. I mean when he was out last season don of mitchell's first rookies He's rookies should say redick. Barra i believe was out for the first off that season and they were absolutely atrocious. Defensively he comes back by went on some massive wrong and then they'd be. Okay see in the first round. So that's what the correlation will tell you. I think everyone the statistics will tell you personally from grim protect. I mean i know. That's his main thing. He doesn't lie. Defend one for five. The is not just him. Getting blocks is the fact that people actively avoid guy into the room when he's on the co saw to me. He is the most valuable player on that jazz team. Donovan mitchell. scores the modest He's been pretty decent for them. But every rudy guy bears. I don't think that anyone ni the first seat this season. I'm looking over the top on offense contribution because we will not us not worry strength laws but impulsively so then they exactly but that the best team in the nba this season. And he's the most valuable player on us you. Can you can cite the best team. But you just out. Na na na wrought live fascist wrong but they have the best record in the end of the diet now of the nba. The moment and rudy gobert is currently pretty confident olds onto win defensive player of the year this year if they miss yesterday junk and some would say this is a. I don't know how much truth. I this some would say. You spoke about him only being over in potato when when the discussion comes up about people that can defend multiple traditions or one fruitful of there is a saying which is the best way to defend all for positions east to protect the rim a good one eight protects the pine as well. Yeah i think is some truth to that some trick in a in a league where is completely dominated by three point show verdict bathroom as you say the contracts he is currently on. Can you really say he's he's underrated when he's on that contract. He has had all star appearances. He's had defensive. Player is then kits more a difference between the general discourse of twitter and other social media. Where maybe he might get criticized a bit too much but then when you look at the contract. These favor is a wet. Embattled nationally recognized that the policies guy around blame poten. I don't think he's under i personally. I'm a bear. put their failures in interest. Scrapping for the play is that is our focus. Actually just not sure often gives it. It might help last louise guy. And he's underwrite. he's right. how would you have to decide. Invite here if a cult a feel strongly the way you know. We'll see how air on the solid of very slightly underwriting is on bass. I the main thing for over right contracts and. That's enough for me to say overrated. The poco stayed sorted. I'm fuming can a I'll actually not don't you got will give us one of your list. This let me check for so okay. This one out. We started a whole continue. 'cause i'm gonna go for this one because every level that really got bambi and actually use defensively inside. This guy really is well. Then simmons who had a lovely resound in six points against the memphis grizzlies. The on malek free shots as a is often to do every now. And then i mean. I think i'm gonna go the case. Oh i if i had to choose safe eddie. Right but for the for the pumpkins cover. Seventy six of fairly right of the Slightly overrated. I recognize say route. Now recognize how. Good these defensively one free five amidst leising defensive pilot discussion pretty much every year now but i just can't get paul slot with vertigo. Bear in the defense. I think he's like holding together. Defense defensible time. If you take. Ben simmons out joel embiid. You still pretty decent defenders on that menu. I think they get really noticeably worse on that end whereas he's offensive contribution a lot times is is kinda. Minimal is a decent playmate is condominium. Minimum for full. His size is skill. His life tavern. I just he just doesn't do an awful me on the offense event is very passive Lot of and you'll see that reflected a lot of the times in Shots taken. I'm not signing needs to take twenty or whatever because the player on that same job but i just don't think he Himself enough on that end in the regular season when it comes to playoff lot is just invisible Need to get off his Statistics you'll know have asked them corn couple years. He's he's true. Lack of inability to school. The owns the rin. The paint is conduct than for them all the time so i'll probably got a bright. Yeah slightly ivory resident city. san figure. i can't see how he can be overrated on on this. You bring up the whole argument of the guys from when he's attacking outlet but that completely different players like root rudy. Obey is an influential enough in the seventy sixers offense. Ben simmons a spin set for years right. He's a jump shot wide from being the best the whether the show ever come on the other thing is but as a general as on probably go on record. He is the best defender in the league. In my opinion in terms of actually being able to gaul positions one five being able to have defensive pressure of tame set on being the best fighter in the league in my opinion that coupled with the fact of the hayes the seventy sixers his best playmate. His policy is outrageous but they were reasons why he lebron. James there are raisins walk. People's it's not because of any law likes abel's at it's like not he's playmaking. Billy is off the charts. He's attacking threat is. Minimal is ridiculous in my opinion just because he doesn't have a three point show you read it. also just conditions on basically similar players. Bear pencil the similar. I gave them a defensive player. He's just a real really is young freeway he can take the form of anybody and set pressure rudy. Veggie stand under the basket. Had i shook in. Soak cursive of ben. Simmons thing well it looks out of the well. Before i start joe josh you got not the right. Because he's on the right. Yeah because he don't ever freeport just physicians. A some major floor for ben simmons. He doesn't have a free point. Show in this league and you can all injury prague but the issues. I'm so just you stop going over the top on the show. I never even said anything about the show. I don't think is is per eight damaging nothing. But it's more the lack of assertiveness out. I just didn't take enough shows. i would not. I'd agree that the alone with no show and injury palm. He's one issue has been. He is an aggressive enough. But i think this seasoning games. He's actually being quite aggressive. I've seen a noticeable difference in ben simmons from that point of view whether or not translate into file. We'll find out but they under doc rivers. There has been a ton of ben simmons for it so once again in the envious position of deciding what the poco system is right android for and personally for me. I actually think. Ben simmons is the lewanda raid. I see i think that so much gets made about. I didn't use a problem about the fact that he can't show any thousand. Choose to show that the other pulse of he's got him the play. George alluded to how great a defender is. He's not the best vendor in the nba. But he is a very good fender is one of the best vendors. All of that goes under the right oromo opinion and everyone just focused concert. It's paulie that and also the schemes. The any kind of the this is a product of him not being able to do certain things the schemes that he's been in philly have not so much this year previous years have made it more apparent the weaknesses game Over one thing pay. Who don't appreciate the respite of his game enough and just focus on one thing. I think that's what she made him go. A little bit underrated team built around. Ben i agree with you because i think nowadays send you jimmy lai looking at when you want to sixers guy well. They don't bill around simmons and embiid yet but so this is where to argue against myself. The one argument kenzi for is when people. Because i mean some opinion but when people say the benjamins is a is the best player on the seventy sixers. He's not he's joel embiid and i think i think the argument between them to in how the six has run as i said you know the that he's been put in. I think it goes against him in that sense. I mean do you remember. Jared dot lease. We we need to cause because we need to move on but outlays fantastic quote from about benjamin's awful. This was in the harsh actually to be fair. But it's when i had the net six pile series a couple years ago when he said ben simmons great fire in transition. But once you get into hawk oh is average often thought the harsh but very very harsh but i think in in sometimes in pilot games. You have seen that. He really struggles because of the way on price. Wednesay said die. Must've been before a game again. I think he said it just again. These headlines oh yeah he was here during the series but just just a one over a resounding dopp the benjamins. Massive the right. I'm okay since mamata definitely no game for five eight. i pick. Take the ones you want to get from. We ain't no discussion about this man here. He has been dumped as a unicorn Hey has been dubbed. Gold's aengus posing gold kristaps posing before i talk. Hey you to guy. So i wanna heo views on if you think kristaps porzingis is under in this league. I'm not sure to be honest. That's my initial season defense. You come out. Yeah the the main issue with pulls indices he just got injured will and so it. Can you say someone. can you use being injury. Prone reason to say always ovary eight. Because he'd call him actually play a full season. I don't think that's often. You might question asking you personally. I don't think that's an argument. You can make really who she can. They see if it's not the person skill set your all goov yourself. I i want to know if you think that this man underwrite or variety in theory. This is very simple. I don't think he's think simple. It's all he's radio variety door under economist to sit in the middle. Because this as you say. This isn't the fairly right. You'd put goals then. We'll go stronger opinion while puddles and has a strong opinion by out slightly on the right as you said. I think it's difficult. Because infant people bash on these la abilities or anything like that because deny his calmness joke said these Around said naba. Oh yeah that's a it's a and nickname is a good rim-protector lot other men's rim-protector on it fitness wise. He hasn't been on this season. He hasn't been as good the rim but usually Protector He can actually get out the code usually quite well for a guy. His cell as Quick and she that shooting ability the only issue with him is his seven foot free and he come back down and you want the policies connor ridiculous but in terms of what you can do. I think he's slightly under right. It's if i'm taking out lot injuries in all of that because that's why people said he's been so untradable this season because you can't guarantees fitness even before that law. I'm just taking so counties but abilities often. He saw the underwrite because many prize newly gawking. or any. Because he's unical you know what you've convinced my. I'm always hugging. A guy started under it because i thinking myself as you. I saying that we've all the injuries i even. I've forgotten a little bit. The skill set the posing when all forgotten but don appreciate skillset pausing his possesses because at the end of the day. He's a seven foot. Free guy can tight the bull down the floor rim an elite level when healthy should from be- sniper from the outside like you. Just don't get that in the nba. So i have go on the right edge well. This was a quick qualm because he he's the right. There's not white. You can overwrite amana. Binny's he's out on the floor is injury. He said he combat people down in the posting seven for a day not really his game. It's that's why he's differnt Do stuff like that in that respect because of how wealthy highly suited to do other things. That Sunny skies could do. This is everything. The i could understand if you make the argument for bad. I'd agree with but chris that's posing Stock stop now movie with solve these. There's not there's not. There's no transparency that there's no equilibrium. it's whole between the two. So i'm not an easy one for underwrite kristaps porzingis. She loves. The cuban sponsorships are available on a tight one of these yoga. We're not format and five kicked off of rudy gobert and then we spend over ten minutes arguing decision if a bit more time for another go. But we've kind of the discussion. Ben simmons and the value of defense first offense. I'm going out for someone a bit different for our graphics. Man's favorite platt trae young This is a difficult one. Because i think our voice some concerns about trae young on this caused the boss. Obviously recognized is amazing talent flying. I can point show or has a and just how quickly he's so of. Impacted will translate into league when people the couldn't use to Stuff like that. I err on. The side of underrated actually saw the Because i do see low people just slashing for for winning basketball but he's only been in the league for years and i did get has things to work out in terms of sharing the little bit more of his team mates make people Boffin tatton is just so soon. Breath is among these age coming into league and what he's able to digest able to score come on and he's smoked. It might guys like kimba. I don't think you reached the i. Pex of trae young is doing in these last couple of seasons. I'm gonna go on the on the side of underwrite. It's very slightly. Well i'll go next. I think i would actually say police tonight in advance. He's very young. What do think he's a. If i pick is a little overrated purity because i recognize the offensive talent. He has even though as elise as. I still think called tom to do it. It needs to reach an even higher level because of how pours defensively a shocking defensively. And i know. I don't have strong feelings about it. I don't i don't think he's massively overwrite it had to pick a little bit eight purely because the defense is just non existent absolutely would. I can't make an argument for him. Being underrated so by default we have to be over on that aspect for how dominant easily hoax statement. It's been documented before as well with some of the things coming out of there is any sergio. now it's still kind of going that sign net They shave you can argue that Off season moves on that. But i think how about you said how how both dominant. He is the amount of shots that you takes the game. A percentage is good. It's not amazing for for how many shots taxes volume shooter in that team with bay but just in general series. She's come just in general. How have a hoax before an him being the leader. For how much plaudits he gets her being. Rookie in comparison to office at noah's right Way thing him in the media. I think he's looked upon his arca. Golden child even They stop map. I think he's off right so we might not be getting any graphics from knife for we've now to saudi. He's he's tall boys right. I will say as well as the comparisons to steph curry. Did not help them out. That is i hauled level to reach an a comparison to get at such a young age lies. It's very difficult to try and up till his expectations. But i think them expert tight without whose comparisons drawn on by his style with her. Yeah whom sure. He's not smaller guy. The the don't expect to be a great defender like steph but steph showed you know if you if you all such an offensive player in your in a great offensive scheme and offensive team that you can win and i think that's why it's much he's know that he is right with and when he needs a little bit at the same time you go dance a lot education and team situation as well lot. I don't think steph was ever in a situation where he was asked to do. What trae young has been doing. So a carry the franchise. Academia shooting have been telephone the bulls in your hands. Like do what you want with. It really probably been some consolidation teammates and such the warriors offense is always been very centered around. You not keep moving and stuff like that. And i think steph was fortunate in that way they didn't have to the trae young takes high-voltage Shots and stuff like that but it's just a different kind of responsibility and that just completely different places as well lot. The comparison was never really in that. Twelve okay how talks pick pa. I'm going to go with. This is probably the if i had to pick out ones. I chose are probably the strongest about that. Ease malcolm brockton I think malcolm broken is one of the if not most underrated player in the nba. Was not i just think. There's no really a massive weakness to. He's going he's he's basically a power from law. We're at a pre pull shooting season. He's a narrowing focus percent insurer from beyond the arc. He's a good defender is toll. Long godfrey's position he's capable of average of fifty forty nine hundred. For god's sake. I know that the pacers on great at the moment autographing. That's mainly down to him. And i just don't think he gets talked about. Enough is very good player. Broken max brought them is just so prototypical the right. I'm i'm in that camp with you. Is well what you said. I think if he was still in the box maybe they win the vet to trade half the half the barrel for jrue holiday Certainly was the more favorable option to kate. blitze of the shows and he was more of a role pie on that same. You'd probably say the for best player after janice. Chris middleton so he can he can do stuff with Wallachbeth music and do stuff on both go Since he joined the pace over yet obviously had a lot more of a heavy workload crichton his shot more. He was immense in terms of assists last year. Seven point one assists which is a career high. Come back about five point nine this season which is not been very good this season while you mentioned this bill flocks tens of the roster integrate in different people. So i'm not gonna put that team's success down on him too much. He's definitely under think any team in the league. Lock malcolm broke. Coincide that he's wants he's under righted. But this is what happens in this league interested journal with the majority of spokes. The why that is spoken about spoken Jerry when the box in the playoffs last year and the the hallway said leave our blood. Psalms malcolm brockton then he gets all this. Saunder righty sell underwrite. It gets spoken about song much than applies slot dumbs. I've right and i think that this is the trajectory county heading from brockton For what he's paid brains. He's good but i think that this will be his level if that makes sense i can't see him get an astronaut medically better than this. I can only seem realistically Flat leveling out maybe next year. And then saudi walking towards being around pirating. There's a reason. Why indiana have been that great this year. He's a good pace but he's gain is in great enough. He's been shooting really well from three point line but again i think he's quite limited on the bicycle that he concrete is on show but to the extent of when he then compare them to other point guards in the league. You really then malcolm brooklyn's don't get any and ever i don't think for me. Would he be in general no. It's not a top ten player in germany. But my point is. I'm not not generally never going to be that bombing point guard point gold. He's all talk ten point guard in the league. I'd have to think about give me buddy saves said keep going things but just in general lot get into that site he he's underwrite for what he brings to a team because he's almost like slept on but he's twenty i love. This is his prime years realistically. He's not going to be the we talk about lebron's and they're doing it now. Lebron afraid that freaks they re slot point and yet he's good. It's nothing to sounds home. i think he's just like this is his peak in an extent for that aspects the he's People bang on about him so much being under. I think he's inartful aid. I'll tell you think he's a top ten point guard in the lake. I think he's not nine or ten donaldson point is i'm not trying to say i'm not trying to compare him to the best players in the league. I'm not. I'm not trying to say. Make him out to be something. he's not about for what he is brings to attain. Just vegas spoken about or respected much. So i would. He's on the same level to holiday for me. Yeah but i think he personally. I would take him over your holiday. I do lua last ridiculous. I will say also. Yeah the whole today has been better mo over a long period of time but i just think he's Yeah no. I'm sick of it. Yeah i probably got broken toss up. Everybody would be week ago. Yeah i mean we we do have to move on. It's just. I mean. I'm thinking about in the east if he's even the top ten point. North minneapolis nah. You'll manageable but said this very good point guards in the firm. Now tell me. Because i just thought about how quickly flick for that i think is ben simmons giants. Halden kyri for the. I'm not saying both of them off. James of appointment on point. My point is one of jiangsu pulling called on the same team. Just pick one no no. You can't do that because they're not sure exactly what you need to be nine now. No way russell westbrook point guard. Yeah now great trot have trae young. I've been true. I think maybe agree. But i think that's it. Wouldn't i wouldn't have canberra for yeah. I wouldn't either. I wouldn't have called for him. I'm not have called him. well they got it. We'll see it 'cause your finger on the writing them for him. Now you have a not will no no no. We're not talking about future prospects as well. We're just talking about him as apply. Now maybe not as but as a general league. He's definitely not talked to him. I think he's about tenth about tenth now. Lucas don't cheech bron james. Oliver chris. chris. Paul steph curry so many more yet. Lillard deandra russell. Whatever now you would rather enough. This is it. I think it's a buffet. I think it's just awful underwrites but it's it's to the point where he's getting the value ten point guard this level. I think he's about ten songs about ten ten to nine ten fifteen range. I think that's very fair. So there's a big difference knowing to fifteenth close standings if you finish knowing during the plight if they rule kind of around the same so there's a more point guards in the late in their teens. Well i'll go. I'll go on one. Amanda i think has been not disrespected. But i think has been treated wrong by the fbi twitter in general but just just nba fans around the world. Other demulder rosen. So this is tricky. Because obviously he's now so of you know at the end of his career he's in. He's in the twilight of career side. So if you look at it for a perspective of this season it's different that just in general demilitarization libby helping. I'm door variety. Who general demulder rosen. Apply He was i mean at the point of where the raptors with a one seat and people were talking about his talk contenders. his name's the best player. He was right because he was never good enough to be. That was never gonna be the best player on the championship team. bar that crazy concrete defense very well the in general probably a little bit underwrite think the made at least one of the loss to all star games a. He's a pretty decent closer lie at the end of games. All things considered Seems to have got so bad with h an-an-a-and now is that so not know quite so statistics guy enough that i think as i've seen in progress over the years i think he has a little bit better I think what taints law people's view of the modern. The rosen is the fact that Finish lebron james lot of free seasons free straight seasons and that's just unfortunate really but he just wasn't that level of player or not. I think you should assess him. Is that look via. Saad goes out gone. Write it quite firmly underwrite This talk i'm out. I think called. Also gonda writes it. Because i don't know i don't know if underrated and underappreciated the same thing but i do. He's more underappreciated. But at the same time i guess if someone's under but who who do you think he's under appreciated by i just think in general is under appreciates it third the the. He's game in the top player. Ease as lewis said. I think a lot of the issue is because the rap subscribe so destroyed tribes every time. They have been piles the once he moved. San antonio a roofing became a bevan all the. I don't assign a hall sh but you don't really see. The rose getting told us about that much. But now you see you know the spurs are doing quite well this year performing as pulling and never was. He has another preview. She is as well but it just doesn't get spoken about as much and so in that sense i do think he's under oriented so i think demolished artisan is very much derided by think for one year he was very much arbitrated and nazism and I think in general just sports Fickle and there's a lot of specific time based bonuses get stuck in people's heads a won't even say the three years where lebron just ruined the raptors. I think it was the year. He's first year in the spurs in a spouse uniform which was his issue because he wasn't bad but he was astronomically bad shooting not yet. I think he shot fifteen percent from three. And now when you look at what happened between trade and how he ended up there and people look and things on nine a didn't really walk in the aspects for them but just the white things transpired and he's first year with the spas not being as good as oversee people would have wanted it to be coming off of being back to back to back to tobacco staw ends up people then thinking all gossip because watson with out westberg. I just don't think he was ever as good as a whole thing. Four straight years being up into on. I saw mine guy which he was and then in the things of how that big blockbuster try lot more is went on him and he didn't really cut it but now stand out is that is the forget a thing he's just basically now he's got to the stage where i think he's underwrite for what he does. I think in a year-old Hallows what he's tom shoe museum. Or maybe two. I could see him going. Having a similar effect not to what blake griffin. The mauka soldiers have towel by think that he could very easily be like a third or fourth pace on attain. That could actually make an effort when chip. So i'd say democratizing onto right which again. It's quite boring because we've all said on the right but they'll appalled to an free to this. I think is probably be a series of that will do here on the string round costs that we didn't want to do five h but we i think we massively under we're gonna have to go on with a anyway. Well we implement is going. See definitely less. Now if you agree of opinions underwrite right. We had to motorized and we had trae young. We have ben simmons. We had some friends drivenow Do we only do full. We saw to forget about someone we did six. I would say brockton with an posing gold. Okay so yet. Just let us know if you think that they're underwrite alright and give us your reasons. Why and which one of us that you disagree with and let my one wrong about ready. Gotta make show you on. 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Who Belongs in the NBAs Top Tier With the Lakers? | Group Chat

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Who Belongs in the NBAs Top Tier With the Lakers? | Group Chat

"Hello and welcome to group chat the ring weekly. Nba group discussion. Where the game won't let me know. It's time rob mahoney. Will i am just in various joining me today. The thirty eight year old. Mvp candidate rob mahoney. I always had you pegged as kind of a burn out not fade away type of guy. So i'm the jared dudley is what you're saying you're you're gonna you're gonna burn real hot for a couple of years. Hit your prime and then you know bounce out of there. Yeah there's the phoenix suns joke in there. I'm sure but i'll i'll let that sit there In our special guests today a man who need no introduction will we'll give him one anyway from the athletic john hollinger my friend. You guys doing doing great So today we are going to talk about some teams there in the upper crust of the nba. But we're going to debate whether or not they belong in. The first year with los angeles lakers utah jazz. A couple of other teams. We will do that right after this. Hello twenty twenty. One mercedes-benz certified preowned presents a new way to accelerate into the new year. The mercedes benz certified pre-owned sales event is going on right now through march first. You could stop for inventory online trump by your authorized dealer today. robin i have been trying to do this topic for week. Weaker two now and just happened. That john you wrote about the jazz yesterday on the athletic convenient so the big question we're debating here is whether or not they belong on the same tier with the lakers and within your piece you say pretty definitively they do so for you this is. This is pretty clear. The jazz are contenders lakers level contenders. Yet i mean to me. It's it's very clear the evidence of their first however many games has been now what has been twenty. Four games Yeah that i mean. They're they're in the top five league in both offense and defense they have. They have a clear You know their construction just makes it really hard to guard then because you have to deal with bear at the rim but they surrounded with forty percent three point shooters and they have multiple on ball shot creators. so it's just a conundrum for opposing defenses and then at the other end gobert is able to almost be defense by himself. I mean they're not that big or that imposing on the perimeter but the fact is once you get past those guys you still have to deal with rudy. So they play the celtics night in which should be a pretty big task of The recent run year. They've won fifteen of sixteen even with injuries to likes of ingles Donovan mitchell conley. I believe is still out tonight. He was he's over they can. I suspect that's going to run a little longer. I mean hamstring issues. It's usually not just the guy misses a game or two. So when he hurts you heard as well as like a fuel raining and disturbance in the force. Exactly what this. This is fortunate though. Because now now that john's here now that we have a quorum the mike conley appreciation society can can really commence its meeting. Yeah yeah you know. I was hoping this might be the year that we finally correct a horrible wrong and get him in the all star game he have made it in two thousand fifteen and they didn't take him but bygones on the hot start by the jazz and how well mike was playing I thought really might be able to push him in Hopefully doesn't miss too. Many games here because i think that would potentially hurt him if he did. Where where'd you see the biggest differences for him this year relative to last year to me. It's a completely different. Big enroll partner is ninety percent of it That you could see him. I mean you think about it. He put he played a decade with mark. And that whole time there in memphis. I mean we never had lob threat We had you know brandon. You'll probably the only true lob threat. We had the whole time and he. He was barely healthy the three years we had him. So the the difference to me is that when he first got there he was like trying to drop balanced pocket passes and either going go bears hands or he'd catch the ball and not be able to do anything with it because he's not at the rim and and now he's he's kind of figured it out the you know how to use go bear in those situations that you know. Hang onto the ball a little longer. Wait for him to get his role a little deeper throat up at the rim or or see the defense react to that and then take advantage of it. And then i mean. There's there's an element of randomness to i mean. He started off last year. He was like over whatever on his right handed floater. Which you knew wasn't gonna continue And you can see toward the end of last year. Who started getting the hang of it by by the playoffs last year. He was good And we're just seeing a continuation of that i think into this season the ripple effects of that. I thought were interesting to you. Know there was definitely some randomness with the floater. But i wonder if some of it too was him having to focus so much on. How do i get the ball to rudy in the right spots. How do i workout this new chemistry with a new partner. That may be. The timing is off with the floater. It certainly seen that way in terms of reading the weak side. Getting you know getting the ball to the corner shooter on the other side of the floor. Well yeah i mean just the fact having somebody who can actually shoot in the corner was brought versus play with us. We had mike miller that one year but otherwise we did. We didn't have a chance. Yeah tony allen wasn't exactly shooting forty percent from three there It's pretty wild watching the jazz now. Like in in some ways. Maybe they're like a spiritual successor to the rockets on the rockets like a complete different team. I'm watching them. And it's just like it's bombs away like it's patino zombie style and all. The shots are just gorgeous. Like i'm just watching these brilliant shooters this Just like bombing away from from three and and a lot of ways it's as simple Just equation that they have there. But it's been really effective I guess the question is going forward. We expect some regression. And if the shoe shooting isn't going to hit forty percent for. What is it five different shooters on their team right now. Like do expect some drop off because of that. Well possibly although. I mean the fact that they have so much offense on that team and the top eight players i think makes it easier for each of those eight So that they're getting better shots than than they have in the past and that's part of the reason they're percentages have been so good we still might see some regression shore But i think like even with some regression the jazzercise murdering people in non garbage time minutes this year so even if those numbers come back like they're still an awesome. Beat rob your about them just the other day. There's something that you saw that. This made a big difference this year. I think it's that balance the john's talking about where it's like. Even if you know you're in a case where your defense is getting a little exploited where rudy's getting pulled out in space. Whatever it is. You have the threes to then overwhelmed teams. And you know theoretically on those out of that if the threes aren't going down you have this great structural defense with a lot of familiarity with a lot of institutional knowledge to fall back on and you can see that all across their game where you it's not just that they're one of the best offensive rebounding teams in the league this season one of the best rebounding teams in the league while playing small while putting up all these threes. It's really a fascinating. Balancing act discovered here with this group of personnel. And that's why you know you really need. Mike's hamstring to be in good shape going down the stretch into the playoffs. Where even if that is the kind of injury that tends to linger. I think the jazz probably going to be even more conservative. Just to make sure that when it counts he's going to be on the floor for them So the routing probably brings us to our guy rudy gobert who when john categorized him as a potential. Mvp can just hear. David locke from from utah. Jazz that the hymns coming down and it was this really lock born there for a second but in your opinion he deserves to be up. There with the o- coaches in the nba is considering what he's doing on. Both ends are now yet because the whole system is built around him at both offensively and defensively. I mean the whole idea of the the three point shooting is that the defense has to suck into take go bear at the rim and then at the defensive then their whole the whole reason they were able to build the team this way and played bogdonovich the four. And you know play these all. These small guards is because basically they know they have gobert backstop and it's not just he's there is a rim-protector you watch him. He's actually really good on switches to like when they have to switch he switches and he shuts it down. So he's a problem at both ends. And i think like people don't think of him in that class because he's not the guy with the ball on his hands but he impacts the game so heavily at both ends. How many screen assists. I feel like we can't get into the mvp conversational go bear. Unless there's the screen assess part the thing that needs to happen. We need to get in a situation where somebody on the last day. The season needs like fifty screen assists to lead the starts breaking the offense turning down layups to go said screens and stuff the until until that happens until we get our first screen assists a. It's not a real stat to me. Maybe he needs his own. T shirt gets help from donovan. Mitchell there the thing the screen assists that does actually underline is that he rudy. Gobert has plagued with a lot of energy off the ball because he runs into one screen after another after another and a lot of seven. Footers aren't doing that. Are we surprised that they've had such a quick start here in particular because in the past it's been the opposite right. They've actually started slow and finished really strong. And also because everything you've heard over the off season was like potential chemistry concerns with bear. They had to see the whole contract situation. So if i was the peg a team from the offseason pov. I wouldn't have said that they were the ones who are going to. Just go on a rocket ship right now. Yeah you know the one thing that always helps when when you look at teams that are overperforming expectations. Health is almost always a factor. I mean they. They've been very healthy. And i think that's really help them. And the one sort of lingering potential weaknesses that after you get through their top guys. This team isn't very good. And so you can see situation where multiple injuries at the same time could could kinda erode them but as long as they have six or seven of their top aide. Playing have he. It's it's hard to defend these guys. And it's hard to score on that chemistry point just in that you brought up with donovan mitchell and rudy. Though i think i mean needs to be brought up again and again this season just how quickly those guys were able to put all that to bed especially. It's not like the jazz posting up rudy. Gobert first possession of the game now to try to make him happy like his usage is basically the same as ben. his role is the same as it's been he's just as good at doing those things as ever. You know very handsomely paid for doing so but they were really able to navigate all that really well in a dynamic that for a lot of teams could have cost him dissolution. You just talk to mike and it seemed like he spoke to that as well. It just seemed like things are going really well there there. I think he was really bullish on as we've laid out the time that they've had to build up these relationships these individual bits of chemistry in terms of on court stuff. You know i. I think that really helped them and you know his his season. Last year was certainly slow. Starting as as we've discussed it took him a long time to figure that out to find his place in everything but now that they have that familiarity. I mean you can see it. Baked into so many other actions to so much of the synergy and especially in quincy offense which is built on. How do we get this action to flow into that one to flow into that one to string all these things together if one or two of those pieces even a little off. And you have mike in the lineup. With his injuries if jordan clarkson who they added in season last year you're trying to incorporate bouillon bogdanovich at the same time. It was just all a little bit off. And i think they've figured out in ironed out. A lot of that stuff has gone well. This is an interesting question for you. John is because you have the front office. Experience is chemistry. That type of thing that now you've seen it in action up close and personal locker room that you recognize like it more and maybe it's more of a factor than perhaps you realize before or is it the type thing where you see these guys on a day-to-day day level. And they're just professionals and we may be overweight. Chemistry or the jazz the type of team it's benefiting from that or regis like projecting that onto them because they are having need. I think i mean so. There's chemistry two levels right. There's locker room chemistry. And then there's on court chemistry Because you can. I mean you can have teams with like nice guys at all really like each other. But then on the court they don't really mesh Or you can have teams are a little bit the opposite. Maybe it's you know maybe it's fifteen players and fifteen cabs but on the court. It just works now. Ideally liked to have both of those things at the same time. Obviously but i think. I think with utah. Because i think he pointed out correctly. Rob your mentioned that You know the way their offense works and it just flows and goes one thing into into the other having that continuity allah everybody. There was there last year. Except derrick. Favors was there forever. Before he went to new orleans so they they all know what what they were getting to start from such a from such an advanced starting line. That i think that helped them in the first part of the season so if i were to poke a hole in their case here It's the schedule. And it doesn't seem like they've had like a signature wind thus far if anything. They had the game the crap that milwaukee on the road sure. Well i guess we can get into that later about whether or not signature win depending on when you're actually facing walkie but like you know yoga's shop forty-seven on them in that big game the other day. The seems like the schedule coming up is going to be brutal and this is going to be when like the litmus tests So to speak. But i guess. Are you worried at all that like what we're seeing now. Maybe won't withstand a couple games against the clippers year against the milwaukee's miami's etcetera. They are to eat the clippers and show. Everybody is beating miami so I'm not sure those two to worry. So these these next eight games they do have coming up are are tough no question. They they have to against the clippers. Play the lakers play. Milwaukee play boston. Miami starting to show a little more of a pulse. You got philly in there and then even charlotte is isn't exactly cake these days. So that is dabbling. It'd be tough stretch at the same time of the you know okay. So what if they go. Four and four. Now we're going to say they're frauds because they're only twenty three and nine. Well i do think that perhaps we overrate certain situations because we have this nice tidy. Run here right now. Fifteen of sixteen is just like a jumps out on the page but if they were thirteen of sixteen would be sitting here today and being like they are the team to be in the nba. I don't know well. That's i mean that's me is what i mean. They're supporting numbers are so strong that is to me. It's not just that they've that they you know that they've amassed this this win loss. It's that in in non garbage time minister just crushing people So that's that's the part that stands out to me at even that denver game i mean denver was playing out their mind. Stack that game. They were fifteen of seventeen on threes in the first half like there there is no team on the planet that was beating the nuggets that day. Also the thing about the bucks game to which they shut twenty five of fifty three. The jazz did from three in that game. It's insane i think is indicative to. I mean some of that. You know like the the strategy against milwaukee is what it is. That book is out but there is an element of for a team that needs to kind of prove. Its bona fides. In terms of on-court problem solving in terms of navigating high level defenses and really good teams. Those kinds of games are promising that they come in. They have a very clear game plan of what they wanna do. Their guards are able to get into the stuff they want to get into. And they just wreck a team like milwaukee from the three point line physically doubling milwaukee team. That isn't shy about shooting. Threes itself in terms of three point makes that game. That's pretty huge. And some of these recent winston. We'll see how they do without conley coming up but beating the pacers without one of their lead guards really. I mean i think arguably their best guard this season i think conley has had that over mitchell. The he's really been driving so much of what they do so to wins without some of their best players that's going to be a telltale sign coming up especially john to the depth beyond eight. You know unless you're a real real big george neang head It can be a little a little grim. Yeah yeah definitely so. We'll we'll see that get tested. I'm sure but yeah denver's the one interesting thing As far as this jazz team They did they did win. At denver there other game there But yokich is a little bit the the kryptonite for rudy. I think in the sense that go bear has to go out to the three point line with him and then that could potentially open some other things up if you have different mismanages against their their size and whatnot. And he's he's really the only center where he so good inside. That gobert has to be the one guarding him. But he's so good from outside. That gobert has to go all the way out to the three point line on and he's at so that that's the one playoff matchup the worry about a little. I think still. If you're utah's the nuggets are love to see those teams. Get one more crack at each other in the playoffs just for that you know. Put the guard stuff aside with how great they were last year but you know with as competitive as gobert feisty as he can be and being frustrated by yokich night after night in that way i see seven more games or so that definitely that's the other component to this conversation right. We could say like a team is just killing it. In the regular season in dust they are elite level contenders but we could also project ahead and start thinking about some of the playoff matchups Which is like. It's kinda really tough to stop yourself from doing so. And the one may be sore spot you target. There is the zone. Yale wing. Stoppers spot concern. That bad is going to catch up to them in the playoffs. Is that even a spot that they can upgrade on before the deadline. Considering it seems like every other team in the league would would like an upgraded situation yet. I mean they have a tough time making trades from this point. They don't have a lot to put in terms of contracts they just have like all minimum guys and they don't have a lot asset wise because they used it to trade for clarkson and conley and and Dump some centers they didn't want and You know make the other moves. They've done the last two years so they're probably not gonna be able to do much at this point they get a buyout guy you know. That's that's probably the type of thing. They're looking at to me royce. O.'neil on the defensive end is probably less of a concern than i mean. I thought he got the yips during the playoffs. Last year i thought that was the bigger issue that he was turning down shots and just kind of gumming things up in a way that you don't usually see the jazz offense. I think that's definitely the point especially like the difference between roy. So neil and said torrey craig type player theoretically is that he can handle the ball. It'll but he can give you a little bit of supplementary ball handling but he needs to take those shots he has to win. he's open. Take those shots in terms of defensively. Whatever you're giving up to you know especially since we're talking about this playoff conversation a kawhi leonard lebron james or the kinds of guys. He's gonna have to guard. i think it's less about. How do we upgrade that spot and more. How do we overcome it like how. How can we on the other side of the floor. Just hit enough shots. Put up enough points. That were overcoming that deficit. Because as john laid out the trade really. Isn't there in terms of what they can make this season. They have to learn to live with they have and what they have is a perimeter rotation. That's to start is six one six foot six four and that's going to cause problems in the half court it's gonna cost jobs and transition when the matchups are jumbled offset. One of those guys has to deal with like a stampeding. Lebron down the lane and a playoff series or something like that that to learn to live with that stuff but i think it really does come down more to can their offense be so potent that it neutralizes some of that concern. So we're saying jazz on the first year with the lakers. All in agreement. I mean as much as anyone is right now John is all the way. And i mean yeah. I've been on that. Yeah i mean. I think it's like jazz. Jazz lakers clippers and possibly milwaukee net i group. Okay so that's interesting. Do you distinguish between the lakers. And some of those other teams as being on another level. I mean we're splitting hairs here. But this is what sports conversations are but so. Did you see the lakers. As above those guys are at this point they all have about the same amount of chance to win the title well. Distinguishing feature of the lakers. Obviously is that they want last year. The other teams didn't right true so there is a degree of respect for that and You know you still wonder if there coasting on a little bit I mean certainly these last two games even though they technically won both of them were not impressive. But they don't need to amass regular season wins like that's you know that's nice and all that i mean we've seen lebron do this before it's like okay. I'll just you know when forty nine games would be the four seed or whatever and then blow everyone away in the playoffs. So i think there's a level of respect for the lakers for that that that they've done it and they've proven it and the clippers jazz bucks a all have a prominent failures In contrast to that. I realize i'm asking you to pick between mike and mark. I'm sorry for putting you on the situation. Well abby mark mark has a ring. And mike does so at this point. I'm okay mic on that one. Hello twenty. twenty. One for sadie has been certified. Preowned presents a new way to accelerate into the new year. Select a few favorite songs that you can play in your future. Mercedes-benz closure your eyes press way. Now you're taken curve after curve and time to the rhythm do me a favor. Open your eyes. it's not a dream. Because a mercedes benz certified pre-owned sales event going on now through march i shop inventory all minor. Dropped by your authorized dealer today so all right. Let's let's talk about some of these other contenders here What do you wanna start with. I i start with the bucks just because we left off on them. Let's so as the season goes on. I was pretty dubious about them. If only because at this point. I've talked about some other. Podcasts i only see the flaws with them and it's a product of the fact that they were so successful before and then they'd flamed out in the playoffs obviously but all i could see earlier in the season was janas just like really cranking it up from three the whole getting to the top of the roller coasters and then just like waiting to shoot. It inevitably clangs off the side of the rim. And all that but as the season has gone on you just reminded of how dominant they could be especially this past few games For janas where against the pacers he was attributing and racked up a ton of assists in was playing just within the flow of the offensive and last night against denver. Just he was beast eating in a way that like i hadn't seen in a little while and it was just a nice reminder of just like how physically dominant he is. It's it's patently clear. But it was a nice reminder to see john where are you just like in general on the bucks. Are you worried about the long term or you think that's a little overblown. I think they're i think they're the best team in the east. But i think whatever they do in the regular season is borderline irrelevant at this point because we've all see we've seen them truck the whole league in the regular season right so that that that's almost like a non event for us right. The question is when you get into a playoff situation it can what they do at ends replicate in the playoffs when teams have the real opportunity to game plan for jaanus while up against them with you know with their best big defender especially when it's somebody who's who's really fairly capable of doing it you know when it's quite leonard or a bam adebayo on and at the defensive end is playing a drop enough you know or can they do other things and play other ways to to take away some things from opposing offenses. Yeah so this is really interesting because it feel like this is kind of the conversation around them now. they're only seventh and defense. Last year past two seasons they'd been absolutely dominant. How much do we think. Rob a change in personnel versus the league catching up to drop coverage and basically Just three point percentages if anything catching up to the style of defense. Well it's definitely both and it's not just the change in personnel in terms of who the bucks brought in those are not good defensive players generally the dj in the bobby portis and whatnot but also just the extent of the rotation changes. Like this is a team that is relearning itself in a lot of ways. Defensively trying to figure out if they even can play the same style of defense as competently as they did in the past with this new personnel. But at the same time. I think bruno's shown some some flexibility. I think the key word here is some in terms of going to switches a little earlier and games trying some different things a little earlier in these regular season games. Which is the promising sign. Because as john laid out we know that this can be dominant at least the bucks as they were. Previously constructed could be dominant regular season. Team could destroy with their defense. But how how do they get to the point where they can be more calm more comfortable in it in a playoffs setting where they can feel like a team like the heat last year wouldn't just pick them apart with dribble handoff in threes and really stretching out what they do so effectively. So how did they get to that point. And i think that's kind of the ongoing philosophical discussion with the bucks all year and it's going to be an in that applies to the offense as well trimmed search making some of those trade offs with are okay with being the seventh to tenth. Best offense or defense in the regular season if that means we have more shooting in playmaking on the floor went you know for the possessions that really count john. Where are you drop overall Is this like a sign of like the end of that style of defense being like a pathway to something dominant or is the case. Where like. I don't know it's brin forbes chasing guys over screens as opposed to george hill. The guy who is really good in that draw chasing behind people was was bledsoe. I thought it was really good at it. I thought Were both really good at those. Two guys are still there Jrue holiday is really good in other ways he might be as good chasing around that drop as as bledsoe was but at the same time no no matter how good the guy is. You're just asking a lot of him to chase guy around that screen and then contest a shot from behind him in a way the puts pressure on the shooter. And if the guy doesn't take the bait and go inside the three point line in other words if he if he moves parallel to the line which may indicate doing a lot rather than trying to go inside it then then i think the bucks ended up at a real disadvantage with that with that drop coverage. And that's why you just need other things in your bag. You can't just play one way against everyone and part of what the regular season should be especially for team like the bucks that knows before any games have been played that they're going to be a top two seed in the east that you use it as a lab to experiment with some things and figure out what your team can do in the playoffs and what they can't and Rather than the bucks. I tried to play one system in it and played as well as they could and that really helped them. A mass regular season wins but in critical moments last two playoffs. They weren't adaptable. I another question for you. John on the on the bucks. Three point defense specifically you know. We talked about utah. Who is a team who takes a lot of threes and fittingly defends the three point line really aggressively. Because they have rudy. What do you make of teams. That philosophically are a little more imbalanced. Like milwaukee has been where they wanna take lots of threes because they value that shot but they've also given up lots of threes which shows a different kind of value system. I think for their defense. Yeah i mean. I think milwaukee is a little A little tries to be a little picky about who they give up the threes to and and how how they happen in other words they're okay with above the break threes. I think. I think the ones from the corners are really. The ones are trying to take away. And they're okay. If you're big man launches as many as he wants they want to take away they want to take away Open threesome the guards At the same time. I mean they they just end up giving up a a ton and you only have so much control over. Who's taking them. And so it is interesting philosophically to see teams. Play that way where they want to get up lots of threes but then of the defensive end they're like no middle no middle. It's like okay. Like where do we. What's what's our value system here. Exactly so does it does feel a little inconsistent right. Well i guess the question is if they were to move away from that play perhaps more switching. Where does that leave brook lopez in particular. Like if it's not broke lopez who is it. Yeah and that that's one of the things That i think stops them a little bit from from going further down that road. I mean they. They had marvin williams last year and maybe could have done a little more switching with him having him into drop was kinda like what. What are we doing here. And because because he's not protecting the rim anyway so it's like you know why You know if they could get somebody like that again. Because i i think bobby portis and the in that same scale is going to be even more vulnerable than than lopez or you play honest at five and then the the issue with the honest five is that they probably need one more guy that you can really trust is a perimeter player at the end of games. You're really turning. The you know. Pat coniston dante vincenzo. Either or into now. Both conversation. Which i mean i've been i've been kind of bullish on defense. Oh and what he's shown. We saw him against against the nuggets for example. Come up with a huge crunch time. Steel like he just makes those heady intuitive plays. I think that works with that starting group or now finishing group as it were but playing both those guys at once. you know. if it's not working it would really really be working. Yeah and i and in the playoffs teams are gonna dare both those guys to shoot. Missile could end up even being forbes. Right and i guess the question there is like so if they were saying they don't have that wing guy on their roster. Now how do they get a concern. The price paid for holiday. Like the natural assumption would be even chen's oh and then you're just like stealing from peter to pay paul if you wanted to use him to to get someone else there so it's really kind of a complex situation but the one thing i thought was interesting content and was saying this the other day he was just basically like the losing in struggles. They're having earlier in. This season are actually going to benefit them in the long term ways that it didn't last year because they didn't have to face adversity and now that's the whole like just sports conversation of like do you. Do you really need to to lose in the regular season in order to to turn on the playoffs to really just like to face like that. Adversity on the other hand. I kind of by it because it does feel like. They're searching for stuff a little bit earlier than before like even last night against denver is seems like middleton is just kind of excelling as a playmaker at twelve assists on three turnovers to seems like the chemistry. He's building with janas. Layton games is been particularly impressive. There's one just like alleyoop tiana's In order to basically win the game or just go up by ten. I think it was and so. I do wonder if what they're going. Through now waldman we had the long term effects that were hoping for. Do you think it's interesting. Like reading. A lot of joseph campbell or something. I mean. ease the emotional center for this team. I am glad you brought middleton though 'cause justin when you were saying earlier you are starting to feel more optimistic about the bucks. I feel like it's okay to admit that you were radicalized. By khris middleton being awarded supernova. I mean it's true. He's already shooting fifty to forty five ninety four with better play make it just seems like he actually has another level that if they really want to they can tap into and it seems like they're starting to kind of do i thought holiday would be the guy there toward the end of games but it seems like he's just middleton acting as the de facto closer with yana setting screens in just being a giant like physically gifted big man which is still pretty amazing. And that that's one of the things if you play on us at five and now you're using him as a screener I mean that's that's tough defenses. Deal with well. Especially i mean. We should note on andrei holiday to it appears at least based on what chris middleton said that drew may have tested positive for covid. We have no idea what the long term implications of that are going to be. When he's gonna be back how healthy he's gonna be there. They're going to have know an interesting period here to navigate without him. The neo initial returns. Just because chris janas were so good in this first game where promising but it's a different thing when you're talking going potentially weeks without one of your best players will will say it's not. It's not like a you know a broken finger re like yep three weeks so we'll we'll see how long they're there without him. But yeah that's that's going to be another test for sure. Yeah this is actually the what miss test coniston was referring to. So what do we think about the bucks. Big picture here on the same tier with the lakers. now they are i in that rating. I often i should mention. I mean i think i mean they're so far ahead of everyone else in the east that you almost have to say like okay. Maybe i wouldn't pick them over these three teams in the west in a head-to-head finals matchup but their chances of getting to the finals of probably better. Because they don't have to run the same gauntlet hundred percent. I'm i'm in on those lines too. I would stop short. If only because i wanna see improve it and it's like it did. They can't really do anything about that. It really comes down to the playoffs but I am more optimistic than i was. I'm still dubious enough to not put them on the same tier the lakers and the jazz who in the east has proven it. Though i would say that they haven't proven it but just the sheer talent that the nets have is is unavoidable. It's like If they could just figure out a couple of things that is feel like they could. Just be incredible. If a whole those guys actually play more games together. I feel like the incredible and itself. It's really hard to avoid that. The offensive talent is just brilliant Well i guess another team kind of similar as the box. Just in terms of Maybe the regular season not giving much info as as. We'd probably like the clippers here A little bit of a rough spot here following a road trip. I believe they lost two in a row. Yeah george neither game the yet. George has his toe injury. Beverly has been out for away games weeks or something like that. I think my biggest concern is it. Seems like co why is starting to slow down a little bit. I don't know if it was just the road trip or the fact that george was in there it just seems like he starting show signs of fatigue and even tie i believe After the game the other day spoke to that and i wonder if georgia's out for a prolonged period how much that affects that whole situation and then it gets back to the whole conversation about the clippers. Do they are they all on the same page. They have enough time to get on the same. Page john. Where are you just generally on the clippers. This year delay. I felt coming into the year. Was that on paper. They were the best team and they just need to prove on the court. And i think that's where where i still am with them they. They're shooting like crazy That that may come down a little bit you. I don't know. Paul george is going to be forty eight percent from three all year But i think is take another step is a playmaker they're They're not being as careful with him in terms of the load management and That so there's a chance that catches up to them as the year goes on. It's interesting you say as looked a little sluggish the last couple of games from that perspective. still probably some areas where where they could get more Marcus morris has kind of gotten off those slow start Luke kennard really gotten going yet. So you still you still think to yourself. Maybe this team could actually get to another level even from here I think pa- fit in really nicely. I think they're one of those teams. You get in a playoff series that could match big. They could match up small. They can play different arrangements on you and so they. They're not a team. That's going to get sort of caught out the way the bucks did where. They had their one alignment. And if they can't match up against you when that one alignment they're screwed so i think from that perspective they're in a good spot. I mean i think there a really good team topped about maybe not like super dominant. But i still think on you. You line teams up on paper and you ask yourself. Why wouldn't the clippers win especially that combination of being that successful shooting so far and also being a really low turnover team to me. That's always such a successful playoff combination. It's depending on the variance of the shooting. Of course the what. I what i'm wondering about. Especially after seeing. Darren fox billy pick them apart the other night. And it's a little different with reggie jackson out there as opposed to to pat beverley but if that's a potential concern point we know the wing defense is really strong. We know who serge ibaka. Who is finished so beautifully with them can be as a help defender. Can you know. Obviously they're giving up inside but is the speedy point guard. Archetype a problem for them because even pad bev honestly in the playoffs of late can be a really foul prone player can pick up to three to three thousand a first-half really easily and doesn't have the lateral foot speed of some of these guys. I don't know who that imperils them against west. You know mike conley even might be one of the better point guards of this group. I guess dennis schroder could be pretty dangerous. He's like a below by guy against the wrong kind of match up But i'm i'm watching the point. Guard matchups for the clippers. And how they want to deal with those. If it's just a point guard this give trouble. I think they would probably switch. Paul george on 'em in playoff game The issue is more. If you're playing against the team with multiple threats and and paul george and kawhi leonard half to be on other people and and then you know you play a team like like. Utah's a good example. Where the where. The scoring town is so distributed that. Okay now what. We're going to put our worst perimeter defender on jordan. Clarkson right now you might have a problem right so that could be a potential issue. Yeah perhaps my pause is a product of having to watch reggie jackson so much over the past couple of days because after beverly is is gone it gets pretty pretty bleak there And i guess that's a concern. Long-term baths has had some injuries over the past two years. And so. I wonder if they're a little bit more shaky than you would like in situation now so wonder like does it mean more lou williams in the next to the conversation of like. We're back into the playoffs. Wondering how much lou can actually play. It's funny like he's developing this chemistry with zoo botch that. He kind of had with harrell. And it's almost like a guy trying to recreate the past like a picture wearing his chicago. Banned t shirt you know just wanting to relive the good old days And just seems like he's a little out of place there and i wonder if the playoffs expose whether or not like he can be an integral part of what they want to be in the playoffs. I mean it's if they make a trade he's the most logical piece to be in it too because he's you know expiring decent money and whatnot. So that's that's gonna be interesting to see if the clippers decide to get one more sort of robust perimeter defender in their mix that that'd be one thing they could probably accomplish should the trade deadline. I mean they're kind of short of assets but they might be able to pull that off. Are there any obvious names here because we keep talking about the same player. And i do wonder if there's going to be a bit of a competition there. Is there some obvious guy out. There is gonna shake loose and be able to fill these roles. I think there's going to be less of it than usual because of these the play tournament. And so that's going to make a lot of these teams that otherwise would be more inclined to sell think about standing pat so You know i. I think the two teams that will probably be selling Be oklahoma city. Certainly george hill al horford And then minnesota if they had anything people wanted to buy Detroit is we saw ready with we saw derrick rose. I would be surprised if he did. Something with wayne ellington closer to the trade deadline Maybe one or two other guys I think the one where you wonder if the shoes gonna drop at some point is orlando because they have so many injuries now Could do they do sort of the soft tank. At this point. You know kind of unload everyone except voyage. Keep the try to get a high pick this year than reload in the in the summer and then really try to make a bigger ryan when folds is back and they have some of these other pieces. A one name. I've seen come up. And i don't know the plausibility of this. Especially now that the raptors have started to put something together a little bit. At least offensively is kyle lowry john. Do you think we see calorie move this season. I seem connected to the clippers. Just because they're basically raptors west at this point. Yeah i mean he'd be perfect now. How the clippers are doing a salary notch on a thirty five million dollar deal. I don't really see doesn't really make sense. The that's an interesting one to monitor because toronto has some tough decisions. Coming up this off season Obviously they set themselves up. Recap room expecting a better free agent market in the one. That's there so unless they could persuade collider return. I don't know. I don't know what they're gonna do in that cap space so at that point. You just resigned. Kyle lowry for another year or do you try to cash in your chips. Some of your chips now and know that. You're just going to be applause. Sorta first round out playoff team this year. either way And then try to go forward a little more next year with those younger guys you had there and then whatever pieces you can get from. Allow reveal and free agency. Yeah i wonder if new orleans also playing a little bit better of late it also kind of complicates things you assumed like riddick and maybe even lonzo it would appear on the on the market. But i don't know they. They've kind of turned it around a little bit earliest enough where they can convince themselves at their vilna race. The line between fourteenth in the west and tenth in the west is so thin. Right now i could see any of those teams talking themselves into pretty much anything in terms of the plan possibilities. Yeah exactly it's going to take a little longer for this to shake out. And i mean it always does but The the problem is the bars attend instead of at eight now so the team that's in twelve is feeling a lot better about themselves than than they were a year ago. And so that's gonna take some teams out of the out of the buyout situation in added the out of the trade situation. Okay so where. Are we on the clippers just to to wrap that up. We're saying same tears lakers. I am a believer. Yeah yeah yeah. I'm good clippers lakers jazz bucks tier one and brooklyn's like conditionally one a okay. What are there any other teams. That would be in this conversation. I guess it would be philly philly. And possibly boston are like your next. Your next to and i'm sure denver. Will you know. Say what about us. I guess you fit phillies bid good enough especially in the games and beat is played and it just looked so much more sound in terms of having actual shooting I think there's more reason to believe in them boston. Obviously they have the two stars on the wing. They're just so shaky. After those guys i mean campbell has some good gains in some games where he doesn't look like he has it The depth at the back court spots. Oh my goodness that they got to do something about that Not really getting locked in their center spot either. I don't really understand the tristan thompson contracts. So the they got some work to do in boston now. They had the ability to trade themselves. Out of it a little bit so it could still get interesting there And then obviously brooklyn. I think everyone everyone knows a deal. I mean just amazing offense. Will they ever stop anybody with philly. I wondered too. You know we were talking about milwaukee's defense potentially taking a little step back this season overall and you know the heat aren't where they were defensively. Allow these other even the celtics. These other eastern conference teams have taken a little bit of a step down on defense. Does that release some of the pressure on philly to be a great offensive team. If some of the defense they're running up against for one have no match for joel embiid to begin with and then if they can just kind of be competent and led the affiliate their defense when games. I wonder if if that's enough of an edge. A playoff setting yeah. It's still going to be interesting. I think with philly with the non embiid minutes. Because i still don't think he's a guy even in the playoffs is going to be playing forty five minutes. A game you know is is having dwight in those minutes going to be enough on a team. That already doesn't have a lot of spacing like that's wonder about a little if those minutes are just gonna kill. Dwight isn't a terrible backup center at this point but the dwight ben simmons combination asked the problem. You're playing with simmons and tumble and the you know like a it with other guys who also don't you yeah. I also wonder if in the playoffs. We're gonna start wondering about seth curry on defense like i was watching them against the nets the other day in hardin i mean. Of course he's going to do this but he was just hunting for those switches. Yeah they will definitely be hunting him and so all of a sudden if they need to take him off the court where is the spacing gonna come from. So maybe they need extra shooter a little bit more size and defense and maybe they would be A little bit more force there. But i just want to circle back quickly before we go on boston. Because that's that's a curious one. I would naturally just pick them. Is that just surely. Because of their two stars or just so out of this world good right now yes basically i mean it's it's it's not the rest of the team i mean You know and. I think there's you know there's a little respect to for the fact that they've been to. What three unless four eastern conference finals. So there's enough there. I think in the in the playoffs when you can play brown tatum and smart forty plus minutes. You know. there's there's less playing time going to. You know tease thompsons. And whatever the world that that they could ramp up a little at that point when mechanically speaking they have a little more capacity to make a move than some of these other teams do they do they. They haven't burned through their trade assets. Either so never mind well. Okay just quickly because this is i. Think in a weird way becoming one of the more defining moves or non moves that affected the season. Where were you on the miles. Turner took boston stuff. Because i feel like at that point. I've talked about this a lot so Like it almost became a referendum on not only miles but just like the center position in general and now it looks like it was a bad move to not was in. I was pretty surprised they didn't want to do that. Because my understanding was turner and mcdermott and they were going to get out of it At kinda surprising to wanna do that. It seemed like everyone was overreacting in the playoffs situation. And just worried about like you know. It wasn't tough enough. Yada yada but like god. He's a stretch Five three and d guy and obviously is now same age. Same age profile. Is there other guys to. It's not like he's thirty so to to get a young big of that caliber like at you know. I think they let the great be the enemy of the good a little bit. You know And then turn around and sign tristan thompson for nine million. just get. don't get it all right. That's good place to stop your john. Thank you so much for joining us today. Actually i'd be all right. We will be back next week until then see that.

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Episode 217 - Five Signs of a Functional Family - Chapman

Family Health

07:36 min | 10 months ago

Episode 217 - Five Signs of a Functional Family - Chapman

"Welcome, family teachers a podcast or anyone who wants to experience healthy relationships within their family. This is Doctor Cory Gilbert and I'm honored to come alongside you to encourage, educate and equip you as he focused on the different relationships Mikus family. Let's get started and focus on today's feature. Dr Gobert with a healthy marriage inner circle and the warrior marriage podcast You can find us on facebook dot com slash groups slash the healthy marriage enjoying into the conversation and videos and the things that are there to help you build a strong marriage and family that you're proud. Of today are GonNa look at the five signs of a functional family from Gary Chapman is one of those books years. Ago that actually really impacted me to think through the kind of husband I wanted to be the kind of man I wanted to be and what do I want to see in a again functional healthy family I had a great one growing up, and then my wife did as well and it's been neat to see these things applied. So here here are the ones that his research back years ago pointed out. First one was in attitude of service. and. So this idea of service means that I'm actually not about myself. I'm about others starts with my marriage who I, how I am serving my spouse and it goes beyond that and so here are just things to think about where does this attitude begin? Ideally begins in the hearts of both parents are both mom and dad or you and I. and. So rate each other remember your family of origin and the existence of or non existence of such an attitude. Now, what about yourself? I really appreciate that? Do you know what I would like and developing attitude service beyond the family his through family service projects you can be intentional about developing this in doing this even if you don't have it now, but this is an important one second one. Well as the intimacy between husband and wife. May How you handle this isn't this physical intimacy that's an important piece, but it's the whole intellectual intimacy emotional intimacy. Too many couples don't talk more than just a few minutes a day. So. How much time you invest in each other entering into each other's lives emotionally intellectually socially physically and spiritually think through what's missing and what needs to be developed create a plan created vision. And be more intentional about developing intimacy between the husband and wife us as MOMS and DADS. Next one, our parents who teach and train. We've gotta be intentional with our children. This is why I wrote my book I can't say that was to help parents develop a biblical sexual ethic for themselves. So they think through. So they can then transmit that give that to their children held them grow up in ways that they know what they believe in. That can actually stand for for that, and so parents who teaches and trains are actively involved in giving guidance to their children. it's teaching and training wheels on which parents parenting roles love is the oil that keeps the wheels moving smoothly. So being able to know what that means like in love doesn't mean Nice. It also means boundaries and that's important. Discover, your child's love language, scary Chapman's other research in books that are really really helpful and great tools for us. The challenge of creative teaching creative instruction verbally communicating creating courage meant to still courage creative correction. That's a really hard one at times create correcting only those behaviors that are destructive, detriminal and creative affirmation. Field to be, consistent. In our training them up, raising them up in the way they should go. This is the the fourth one husbands who are loving leaders. What does that look like? What does it mean to be? A leader in your family leadership without love can become Despotic love without leadership can become weakness we need to really be intentional at our role as a husband is a father to love and to lead our family and really be careful and look at where we leading them. What's the point the functional husband views his wife is a partner will communicate with his wife will put his wife at the top of his priority list will love his wife unconditionally is committed to discovering in meeting his wife's needs. Seek to model his spiritual and moral values. The functional father. So this other key role we have. will be active in his fathering will make time to be with his children. Engages children in conversation plays with his children, teaches his values in provides four protects his children. These are the kind of men we need to develop functional families and then children that go off and actually honor the Lord as well. and. Then the last one which makes sense children who obey honor parents you see then the children responding to the parents. And this obedience. It's up to you not a negative word benefits evaluation, the family rules. and they actually are thankful that they're a part of that family which I know both my wife and I feel that way about our family. that we're able to teach your children honor others gets goes outside the family honors based on the realization of another's worth. In honor is expression of respect for esteem. So. These are these five signs of a functional family and attitude is service intimacy between the husband and wife parents who teach and train husbands who are loving leaders and children who will bay in honor parents and I. Hope this is helpful for you to think through maybe what you might be lacking might need some tweaking and we all have them I can look at this list myself series I need to grow in and I'm challenged as a husband. As a father. May. Actually be intentional about developing some habits set encourage your spouse, encourage your children that maybe some shifts that need to happen in your family and time and. Money, and what you're committed to that actually help you guys grow in your faith and your strength is a couple and is your leadership of your your children, and then you have a healthy healthy marriage if you want to find out more about what I do and what I. have good healing lives, dot com. In the book that I wrote I can't say that for parents you can order that I can't say that dot com and I'd love to serve you and your family. If there's anything I can do to help you do this and do this. Well, it's my heart and passion. For you to have a marriage, you're proud of and fight for something that actually is a value. That's part of God's design for us here on this earth. So bless you and your family and your marriage. Thank you tuning into the family features podcast it has been honored to serve find out more about Dr, Gilbert, and his resources for you and your family's growth and success healing lives dot com, and if you think you could use support along the way be sure to book that call at Book Dr G Dot. Com and one more thing you found this helpful. Lee. Share this podcast with others so that we can change the world together.

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