17 Burst results for "Global Magnitsky Act"

"global magnitsky act" Discussed on Corruption Crime & Compliance

Corruption Crime & Compliance

07:33 min | 5 months ago

"global magnitsky act" Discussed on Corruption Crime & Compliance

"Are sort of goals and and ways that they wanna. They're sort of the objectives of this memorandum and the interagency review process. Now which is two hundred days away will include. Obviously the vice president departments of state treasury defense justice commerce energy homeland security o. m. b. The us mission to the un Deny director of national intelligence the cia The joint chairman of the joint chiefs of staff the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. usa. Id and the national security agency. So all of these agencies at a minimum will be Will be looking at ways in which that they can enhance the battle Enhance the per-. The inner corruption fight whether it be ref- resources personnel sharing information. All of these types of things that are going to be an you know to take the anti-corruption battle To the to the next level now they also issued a fact sheet. Which i think was quite an interesting and we can get an idea here. at sort of where they're where they're heading in terms of On elicit finance for example. They're going to lead in from international efforts to bring transparency to the us and international financial systems so we may have even more regulation coming beyond that that or more attempts to regulate beyond that which was in the anti money laundering act which was enacted earlier this year and they want to focus on offshore financial secrecy seizing stolen assets and making it more difficult for those who steal to hide behind anonymity so there's a beneficial ownership registries There's going to be other sort of The ability of illicit actors to high behind anonymity. By let's say residential real estate and We're gonna see closing loopholes in the existing regulatory regimes. Now i think the other the other interesting idea is And i think we'll see sort of ramping up some of the sanctions activities to hold corporate individuals Accountable corrupt individuals accountable transnational criminal organizations and other actors in this means strengthening and building anti-corruption sanctions for example under the global magnitsky act and similar authorities and bolstering criminal or aunts or civil enforcement actions such as the doj's kleptocracy recovery initiative as. Well as the fcpa think we'll see more resources going to the fbi more resources going to The the justice department's fraud section which includes the fcpa unit And we may see some Legislative proposals To fix certain laws that are used for anti-corruption we may have for example an increase penalties for the fcpa which is of five year offense in comparison to the money laundering acts Statutes which are twenty year fences so we could see a big change their In addition we may see sentencing guidelines Adjusted and recommendations may to the sentencing commission to adjust the guidelines for criminal penalties In terms of financial fines And other things under the guidelines Cal calculation. I also think think we're gonna see another sort of plateau here in terms of building the international partnerships and coordination As a way to strengthen americans america's alliances and partnerships They're going to work with like minded international partners through the u. n. g. seven financial action task force and similar bodies to push Strategic you know fighting strategic corruption emanating from autocratic kleptocratic governments foreign state owned or affiliated enterprises. And of course transnational criminal organizations So that may be another part To this as well now. Interestingly we had the g seven meeting this weekend and Just released a late today. was a statement with regard to the g seven to announce joint actions on forced labor and global supply chains anti-corruption and ransomware but the commitment On corruption is that The statement that was issued a indicated that Obviously supporting president biden's efforts to cork to curb corruption which was a korir. Us national interest and corruption In the g. Savon members were urged to do more To stop the flow funds into untraceable accounts obscured by shell companies warren real estate and that the g seven partners resolved to taking more meaningful actions to combat corruption such as tackling the misuse of shell companies limiting the ability of bad actors to launder dirty money in real estate purchases. Improving corruption related information searing and reforming foreign assistance to focus on anti-corruption as a cross cutting pyeho priority so the this again is another statement that shows the g. seven members at least are going to make an additional effort here and i think we're going to see a pretty quickly. Some you know ramping up of enforcement in this area Legislative proposals as well as Additional resources and i think the department of treasury is going to play a big role with regard the sanctions In am l. Enforcement and the regulations that are coming out relating to the anti money laundering act and beneficial ownership. These are all issues to watch for But all in all an interesting development and You know as everybody says look it looks good on paper less dressy in practice what it turns into anyway. Well thanks for listening today. Just wanted to give a quick update on that. Hope you all well have a great week and we'll talk to you next week. 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"global magnitsky act" Discussed on 77WABC Radio

77WABC Radio

07:57 min | 1 year ago

"global magnitsky act" Discussed on 77WABC Radio

"Tell Alexa to play 77 w A B C 77 w A B C I'm John Bachelor. This is the John Bachelor shelved. The bill in Congress is called The Weaker Forced Labor Prevention Act. The weaker Zara story that Gordon Chang, my colleague and I have followed for many years. And never more carefully than with our colleague nor Turkle. Co founder of the weaker Human Rights Project commissioner of the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom. Gloria. Very good evening to first before we come to the Contra attempt. What is the weaker forced labor Act at what will it achieve? Good evening to you. Thank you very much on the The one of a key aspect of this legislation is to prevent American businesses, companies importing products. Made by weaker modern day weaker slaves. So that is a key aspect and also a request s E. C. T o list. The companies That produces provides American consumers. The forced labor produced products. What tainted product so the issue is something much bigger than The weaker human rights issues that we've been discussing on your program and elsewhere. This is directly goes to the heart of America's economic interests, national security interests and the moral concerns. So no one can say that all this is China. This is human rights. No, it is not. This is the China has The Chinese government has tried in the last 20 years to pollute the global supply chain with the efforts including this, but this just came to our attention. This has been going on For a very, very long time. As I grow up in my ancestral hometown cash car I've witnessed we who's being subject to force saber irrigation projects. Cotton field, cotton picking Uh, work. Now, This is Martin Nice. Now, the Chinese are using legal forced labor to achieve its political objectives and also making money beefing up their political economy. The Prevention Act passed the House of Representatives in September. 463. It is in the Senate, where it's looked upon with great favor. However, there is the Congressional Executive Commission on China, releasing a report earlier this year. Listing a number of very prominent companies who are not in favor of this A Gordon. Do. I read that correctly? They're not in favor of the prevention Act or there. There's some kind of quibble here. Do I read that correctly, Gordon? You read that correctly, John. What we have are some very important U. S companies like, for instance, Nike Coca Cola. What they're trying to do is water down the bill, because obviously they're not going to be able to stop it. But they would like the provisions to be more liberal so that they can actually do certain things that many people would've whore. Yes, the listed materials that come out of Xinjiang East Turkestan. Cotton, sugar, cold tomatoes and supplies a supplying workers for Chinese clothing factories. In other words, the resource is for re manufacturing in China. Nori the conversation with these prominent companies, Gordon mentioned Nike, but there's also Coca Cola and Campbell Soup. These are extremely You know, Friendly looking Cos is the conversation strained and how How is it going for you? The it's disturbing instead of spending that much money lobbying our government a lobbying our Congress. These companies should be stopped, did due diligence, vetting properly vetting, supply their suppliers and terminate in some instances like what Apple, Apple and others have done. You know the apple. I've been in the news as well along with these companies. But what we have been told is that they support and they also vetting properly vetting were conducting due diligence on the existing suppliers. The supply chain is very complicated process and I don't Sometimes I just don't second guess that some companies may not even know the affiliation and the business practices off some of the American companies. This bill is not going after American companies or destroying a damaging their their revenue. What we're trying to accomplish is is to encourage into into the extent force businesses, global businesses. To follow proper process. Bringing a tainted products to the United States is illegal, but the existing laws are not sufficient to address this issue. So this thing the the company's been implicated Apple Coca Cola Nike, Apple already made their position clear through a New York Times article recently stating that they support the bill. But what is disturbing is the apparel industry the 80% off the China made Uh, Harold closing, uh, if it's made up of cotton sourced in the weaker region and more than 20% of the cotton products exported From China all around the world are sourcing the weaker region. This is this is a very serious issue and also as Chinese government and people like to call The East Turkistan is the is almost as valuable as California comes to agricultural products. Not only that, that we've been also reading about the components made by Western companies also used forced labor, so this is much bigger issue the current administration or incoming administration if they wanted to properly deal. And force the Chinese to change their behavior. This is the area that they should focus. Their supply chain cleaning up readjusting is not going to be accomplished unless They incoming administration work on built upon the sanctions measures the entity list designation on expanded S o. They They're more work to be done. This is a law that seems like a long haul were long haul That seems to be very complicated, Worked. Just one example. Considering the sanctions that I mentioned there's a menace by the name Shin Jum Production Construction Corp. Which is a paramilitary with nearly a three million troops stationed in East Turkistan. They not only have a peril of government that they also largely responsible for floating global supply chain they apparently have, uh over 800 shell companies. On this entity was designated a zey sanctioned under the Global Magnitsky Act by the Trump administration. I hope that the incoming administration will focus on this issue. Maybe have somebody work full time on this? Way got to the point of using P. Pes, as reported in New York Times produced by weaker modern modern day slaves. We also get to the point of having our African American community using the beauty product, the vics. Made US weaker concentration camp detainees As reported on CNN recently. Gordon, You have a question for Nora. No..

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"global magnitsky act" Discussed on KSFO-AM

KSFO-AM

04:06 min | 1 year ago

"global magnitsky act" Discussed on KSFO-AM

"Why aren't they speaking out for one reason they're being bought? You know the belt in road initiative, which is ah lot of infrastructure money coming from China is flowing to them. And money talks, and then all of a sudden their voices go silent in order to get that foreign aid from China. They by many, many countries, they, especially by Dictatorships. President Trump has been pushing for trade deals with China, saying We're not going to let them rip us off anymore. But in this process, he's a times called Xi Jinping, his friend. What do you mean? Don't want human rights. And what do you want the president to do with human rights as he works out trade deals? Well, it's a good question. I wish you wouldn't say things like that. But that said His administration. Unlike Obama, I'm the author of The Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000 is the 20th anniversary of that law on the prime author of it. Hey, put China on Tier three egregious violator. It was Pompeo, who really led the effort on that, and We couldn't get that under Obama or others before him because they are horribly trafficking. Women in forced labor is ever present in that country, the Hong Kong human rights and democracy active sign that Last December and implementing it the weaker human rights policy active sign that just a few several weeks ago and implementing that a matter of fact, the Global Magnitsky Act. Which sanctions individuals, which is the proximate cause for why I and the other three have been singled out says we offer we provide Person, you know, individual person specific sanctions for the worst Violators AA. And he has done that now as well. He did it last week. So this is kind of like a retaliation. I mean, we're human rights defenders. Human rights abusers, and somehow they see that it is somehow morally equivalent today being the Chinese government, which is theater of the absurd, but Trump has implementing those as well. And I'm very grateful that he's doing it. I guess he thought by being They're working with teaching, paying early on that he might get more out of it. But changing Ping, in my opinion is the ultimate bully. Ah, and he does that to countries. He does that to individuals. And he does it to the weakest, most vulnerable throughout all of China. Through his secret police and his use of torture. You mentioned China using the Internet and China's surveillance in the U. S. President Trump is considering different executive orders, and one of them would be to try to ban and shut down Tic Tac and I have to say I have an 11 year old son, who asked me this question yesterday, he said. Why are they trying to get rid of ticked off? Because you know he likes the videos on there? What should it should we do that? And why should we do that? Well, I think we should. And the banning of that, within our military thing was a good idea. The gathering of information it same way with bi G and away on all of the other. Ever present means by which they could gather information about Americans and know who you are. Where you live, what you're doing. It's the surveillance state isn't Justin. PRC or in Xin, Jiang or in Hong Kong. They wanted to be universal, and they have the capability. Congressman Tic TAC claims it as a U. S. C. E. O. U. S based CEO story doesn't have a storage in China's what they claim that's not stored there. US CEOs for Chinese corporations or Chinese majority or even minority owned corporations in the usually majority, um, very often just go along with whatever The Chinese government says almost without fail, the president signed that Hong Kong sanctions bill the same day. Hong Kong Disneyland closed again because of rising Corona virus cases. Of course, that outbreak started in China and the president has been criticized for hardly being politically correct about it. You can go on the China virus. You can call it whatever you want to call it a 20 different names. What they did to the world.

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"global magnitsky act" Discussed on Bloomberg Radio New York

Bloomberg Radio New York

04:24 min | 1 year ago

"global magnitsky act" Discussed on Bloomberg Radio New York

"As the Corona virus pandemic suppresses travel demand American airline shares lower along with other airlines, American Down 5.5% You Ellis down 0.8%. Delta is down 0.1%. Southwest Airlines among the Big Four is hired by 2/10 of 1%. Delta says it will be resuming flights between the US and China on Thursday, June 25th again recapping here we've got equities higher across the board, in fact, has a record. S and P r 15 up by 5/10 of 1% of Charlie Pellet that Isa Bluebird causes Flash. Thanks So much to Charlie Pellet. This is balance of power in Bloomberg Radio. I'm David, western China has been repressing its weaker population for many years. After years of complaints from international community last week, President Trump signed into law the weaker Human Rights Policy Act, which authorizes sanctions an attempt to change that pattern of behavior from China. We welcome now Nuri Turco. He's a member of the U. S Commission on International Religious Freedom. Mr. Turkle is a former president of the weaker American Association. So welcome, Mr Commissioner. Good to have you with us. Tell us those of us who haven't followed closely. Exactly what this act. Does. Thank you very much for having men on the program. This is the first time a legislative body of the U. S. Congress put in place of legislative mandate to protect people's social, economic and political right. This is so significant and on multiple fronts personally, very significant built. So what this bill does specifically a few things one. Upgrade the bigger issue in the U. S. China relations. And the second key aspect is the enforcement of the Global Magnitsky Act that sanctions Government officials for human life abuse is a symbol of the entity. And then the third Thiss bill will require The law enforcement the FBI to investigate the Chinese intrusion in American Uighur community. That includes harassment. Intimidation of the Uighurs were speaking up. Against China's authorities were engaging in that peaceful political activities in the United States, and also one important aspect of this bill also requires the director of national intelligence to investigate. The reform of legal refugees and as well as forced labor issues. So one of the most immediately after Kable provisions of this bill is to impose sanction on China's officials and entities. You are responsible for the building expansion and management of the ongoing Ah Ah crisis Thie. Genocidal policies. Also the concentration camps that China's government has built in the last 23 years. So it's a commissioner Turkel. I think most of us have heard about the concentration camps those camps out in the west of China. Were they really rounded up Uighurs and put them in a concentrated area? I'm not sure Most of us have heard about possible Chinese government action against Uighurs on U. S soil. Explain that because that came as something that surprised me. I didn't know that that was happening. So the Chinese government have been repressing the weaker people on domestic Ah and domestically and internationally. Domestically they built of the concentration camps and also Surveilling the Uighurs. Every aspect of Uighurs lives through this surveillance state that they built on internationally. There doing three things one. They are precious that we were family. They're weaker individuals whose family members have disappeared into the camps to stay quiet. And then, too, they pressuring those who have already been asked to stop engaging in so called anti China activity. If they fail to do that, If they don't comply, their family members even will be locked up in the concentration camps..

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"global magnitsky act" Discussed on KTAR 92.3FM

KTAR 92.3FM

05:47 min | 1 year ago

"global magnitsky act" Discussed on KTAR 92.3FM

"Were in the M. one near gas evening I got two fold question do you think they're going to migraines are once again and also we think that trump will go after them for money for all the damages they did to our country interesting points of both the first well let's let's turn to that whole notion of the mechanisms by which we could to hold China accountable I guess we can always of course go to your your local county court aha or the U. S. District Court aha or the world court aha and I assume that you would find those to be futile exercises and paying lawyers to do nothing so how do we do this well I I I agree I think you know suing China is going to be long complicated expensive and unlikely to actually bring any constructive resolution on the other hand there are there is there are tools right at our disposal right now that we can use to punish China which is why I think investigating the World Health Organization investigating China's role of the pandemic it's so important we we have a law called the global Magnitsky act the ministry was around Russian dissident who is murdered by Putin and so we put this law in place to to sanction people in Russia for human rights violations it works so well that we essentially made a global log in now and we use it for Venezuela we used a car on so you know there's not there's no grocer UN rights violation then doing horrific things that allow people to die from the disease we can identify individuals in the Chinese Communist Party in the government and we can hold them accountable right now which means we can seize assets which occur after travel we can make all kinds of misery for them that's a very very powerful tool and and and and and we can do that right now so I think that's the one of the key tools that will be using in the future and I would assume that they will buy grain from us right well I think absolutely I mean China's economy was hurt a lot by the pandemic as much as everybody else and one thing they have to feed their people so I I definitely think that the the trade deal low forties and made they really do need to buy agricultural products and there's a question about two KM and shields Michigan hello hi thanks for taking my call I have three quick things are the first I heard on my conservative radio show two possible reasons why China didn't tell the world for at least two three months are the first one is they didn't tell the world for the day could stack up and good quality medical supplies like math thank god for that sort of thing and then they turn around and check their their China made defective junk stuff all over the world but my second thing is is if they were going to offer their intention was to make the whole rest of the world suffers and my third thing is I'm locked away they're a wicked evil company thanks for listening devices and chips in their phones I heard that they make something like ninety five percent of the world's cellphone and they have checked them the people could be followed and let them then and they help the Chinese government monitor everything Chinese people do on the internet they they watch everything you lose points if you go to a certain fight if what you know and that's all I had to say thank you well okay ability to would to cover there is for the reasons why the Chinese did not tell the world they were stocking up on medical supplies James so here here's what we do know I mean this I get a lot of this evidence is you know connecting the dots it would be essentially circumstantial evidence of it is difficult to get the motivation of some of the things with so many things are factually true many callers right China used the that those additional weeks and months to stockpile its own medical supplies to make sure that they were taking care of that's true it is also true that China has tried to make money off of this and and not just the reselling defective goods around the world but really over charging for good and affect the Chinese went out and bought stuff and then what it was surplus they serve around and sold it back on the open market for major profit so yeah they try to profit off of this and there is German intelligence which came out recently that had said that the Chinese government talk to the World Health Organization impress them to delay the announcement that this is a pandemic so I mean how do you connect those dots and say there was malicious intent behind all else would they do that the malicious intent yeah but all I can tell you they did a lot of those things your caller said down the absolutely good that's all right all right very good and then in terms of of wanting the rest of the world to suffer too it is true I believe is it not that the once the China got a handle on what was happening in Wuhan that they prohibited people in Wuhan from travel to the rest of China but travel to the rest of the world was allowed that is actually true no what what the motivation for that was really really try to it like the plague on the whole world or not you know we don't have it at direct evidence that we are an adult more to come back in a moment.

"global magnitsky act" Discussed on WTMJ 620

WTMJ 620

05:53 min | 1 year ago

"global magnitsky act" Discussed on WTMJ 620

"Carafano from heritage China divided here's Jeff in Abington Illinois high removing the M. one near gas leaving I got to hold court hearing do you think they're going to migraine per month again and also we think that trump will go after them for money for all the damages they did to our country interesting points both first of all let's let's turn to that whole notion of the mechanisms by which we could to hold China accountable I guess we can always of course go to your your local county court aha or the U. S. District Court aha or the world court aha and I assume that you would find those to be futile exercises and paying lawyers to do nothing so how do we do this well I I I agree I think you know suing China is going to be long complicated expensive and unlikely to actually bring any constructive resolution on the other hand there are there is there are tools right at our disposal right now that we can use to punish China which is why I think investigating the World Health Organization investigating China's role and then make it so important we have a we have a law called the global Magnitsky act the man if he was a real Russian dissident who is murdered by Putin and so we put this law in place to to sanction in Russia for human rights violations it worked so well that we essentially made a global awesome now and we use it for Venezuela we use a car on so you know there's not there's no grocer UN rights violation been doing horrific things that allow people to die from the disease we can identify individuals and the Chinese Communist Party in the government and we can hold him accountable right now which means we can seize assets which occur after travel we can make all kinds of misery for them that's a very very powerful tool and and and and and we can do that right now so I think that's the one of the key tools that will be using in the future and I would assume that they will buy grain from us right well I think absolutely I mean this is China's economy which hurt a lot by the pandemic as much as everybody else yeah one thing they have to feed their people so I I definitely think that the the trade deal for kids and made they really do need to buy agricultural products question to Kevin shields Michigan hello thanks for taking my call three quick things are the first film I heard on my conservative radio show two possible reasons why China didn't tell the world for at least two three months are the first one is they didn't tell the world for that they could stock up on good quality medical supplies like slapping down for that sort of thing and then they turn around and check their their China made the fact he'd jump off all over the world but my second thing is is if they were going to offer their intention was to make the whole rest of the world and my third thing is I'm a wild way they're a wicked evil company thanks for listening devices and chips in their phones I heard that they make something like ninety five percent of the world's cell phones and they have checked them but people could be followed and let the man Aaron Bailey how the Chinese government monitor everything Chinese people do on the internet they don't watch everything a new most points if you go to a certain fight if what you know and that's all I have to say well okay validity to it to cover there as for the reasons why the Chinese did not tell the world they were stocking up on medical supplies James so here here's what we do know I mean I get a lot of this evidence is you know connecting the dots with me especially circumstantial evidence of it is difficult to get the motivation of some of the things with some of the things are factually accurate the callers right China used the the those additional weeks and months to stockpile its own medical supplies to make sure that they were taking care of that's true it is also true that China has tried to make money off of this and and not just the reselling defective goods around the world but really over charging for good and affect the Chinese went out and bought stuff and then what it was surplus they serve around and sold it back on the open market for major profit so yeah they try to profit off of this and there is German intelligence which came out recently that had said that the Chinese government talk to the World Health Organization and trust them to delay the announcement that this is a pandemic so I mean how do you connect those dots and say there was malicious intent behind all else would they do that the malicious intent yeah but all I can tell you is they did a lot of those things your callers that down they absolutely good that's all right all right very good and then in terms of of wanting the rest of the world to suffer too it is true I believe is a diet that that once the China got a handle on what was happening in Wuhan that the prohibited people in Wuhan from travel to the rest of China but traveling to the rest of the world was allowed actually who knows what what the motivation for that was really really try to it like the plague on the whole world or not you know we don't have a direct evidence that clearing out more to come back in a moment.

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"global magnitsky act" Discussed on PRI's The World

PRI's The World

26:24 min | 2 years ago

"global magnitsky act" Discussed on PRI's The World

"You WanNa make your phone Linda it's really about the fact that we want to stay in the EU and this year's Nobel Prize in physics present some deep questions where did we come from the more we know the more questions we have so Michelle Meyer and did you Kayla's won the other half of the prize for their first discovery of planet outside our solar system that was in nineteen ninety five. How did that discovery complement the work of James People's well I think two of the biggest questions that everyone can appreciate is where did we come from and are we alone the discovery of exit oh planet started us down the path to answering are we alone there are many other planets around stars thanks on average there's about one planet per star and many of them are at about the right distance that would allow the kind of life that we know so we don't know the answer to the question are we alone but we are now on a path to answering that question so I think the two discoveries were nice book ends put together one is how did the universe begin and where did we come from and the other is are we alone do you know any of the three Nobel recipients personally or professionally I know Jim t-bills very well and I know the other two professionally Jim started in cuss -nology when there were four or five cosmologists in the world and as much as he is responsible for the progress he's also always the greatest skeptic the asking the hard questions he's an inspiration to all of us in the field how exciting zits particular award for you I think a great day for astronomy so first of all the Nobel Prize for physics and that says something when the most exciting anything in physics actually involves telescopes and astronomers so I think this is a wonderful day for astronomy it's also a wonderful day for these three individuals who undertook very very risky work and it's nice to see taking a risk be rewarded because that's what scientists all about the big discoveries involve doing something very risky that doesn't always pay off and in this case did Michael Turner and astrophysicist at the diversity of Chicago he's also a scientific advisor to the Cavalier Foundation Michael thanks very much thank you you're listening to the world I'm Marco Werman you're with the world it started as many controversies do these days with a single tweet the gentleman the Houston Rockets Daryl Moray expressed his support for protesters in Hong Kong the Chinese government took offence the tweet was deleted and the NBA expressed it's regret for the inappropriate comments but the controversy is not over millions of basketball fans in China will not be able to watch preseason games this week even though the we're being played in China the world's Matthew Bell has the latest the NBA regular season starts in two weeks and some of the biggest names in professional basketball are getting a preseason tuneup in Shanghai right now the Brooklyn Nets we did a video today of superstar Kyrie Irving meeting Chinese fans the nets face Lebron James the face of the NBA and his l. a. acres on Thursday night in Shanghai but China's state broadcaster will not be showing the game on TV? Lalita we can feed on gun swamp is a spokesman at the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs he said China's position is very clear he referred to the tweet from the rockets general manager supporting Hong Kong protesters as a wrong statement gung went on to suggest that Chinese companies the Chinese public are upset the NBA the as Commissioner Adam Silver said today that he regrets people in China are upset but he added this the long held values of the art support freedom of expression and certainly freedom of expression by members of the NBA Community and in this case there are more as the general manager of the rockets enjoys that right as one of our employees what what I also tried to suggest I understand that there are consequences from that exercise of an essence his freedom of speech and you know we have to live with those consequences there's a lot at stake here for the NBA starting with real money big gains can attract hundreds of millions of TV viewers in China it's taken the NBA decades to build that against the first team to visit China was the Washington bullets in nineteen seventy nine the bullets played two exhibition games one each against the bay Iraq gets into Chinese national team this is from an NBA TV video neither gave Washington much of a challenge but the final score was hardly a factor in the success this diplomatic mission pro basketball is hardly the first US business or brand that's run afoul of Chinese government sensitivities there's a growing list of issues that Beijing sees as off limits Tibet Taiwan the Jenin massacre the treatment of Muslims and she john and now Hong Kong protests China historian James Millward Georgetown University says it's important for Westerners doing business in China to stand up for free expression really not about promoting the American waivers Chinese way or anything like that it's about being reasonable human beings living in a free world it's about what complaisant inc are free to speak their mind or whether they're going to be subject to recrimination and intimidation from their own bosses but originating in Beijing it's a fine line here's how Houston Rockets Star James Harden addressed the controversy love China we love there we go there once or twice a year they show us the most important of so we appreciate as a fan base and we love everything about we appreciate the support that they give us visually and as an organization so you know we love the creators of South Park on comedy central also weighed in this week after their latest episode owed called banned in China was scrubbed by Chinese Internet censors they wrote a sarcastic apology to the Chinese government saying we to love money more than freedom and democracy for the world I'm Matthew Bell U. S. Chinese tension today goes well beyond the basketball court it the Commerce Department has effectively blacklisted twenty-eight Chinese companies specializing in surveillance equipment as well as some Chinese government agencies the US alleges that the companies and agencies are involved in abuses against ethnic leaguers and other Muslims in China's far western Xinjiang Province Sophie. Richardson is China a director at Human Rights Watch what are the Chinese companies that have been targeted by the Commerce Department and y well some of the companies include big tex firms like tech or hike vision and they have been barred from buying parts or components from US company jeans or actors without those actors I getting permission from the US government to sell those things and so it actually places significant limitations on ability to do business what exactly are we talking about here. Why have this company's been targeted well these companies are are being examined specifically over their role in Xinjiang which is the western region of China that now has about fifty percent Turkic Muslim population present on population and over the last full of years authorities in the region have arbitrarily detained so holy outside any legal process of two million Turkic Muslims simply on the basis of their ethnic identity their distinct culture and many of the companies that have been identified in the entities list in these last few days have provided different kinds of surveillance technology to authorities in the region to track people's behavior and the information that's gathered that way is used partly as the basis of adding Hoodoo investigate and detain they're also Chinese government entities that have been targeted who are they are government entities any harder to sanction than private companies well it's not necessarily that it's harder or easier I think it's a different kind of political statement and to see an entire regions public security bureau the police for I put on this list is very unusual and a pretty powerful statement you know an indictment of dot institutions role in human rights violations and so here includes the regional public security bureau and then sub-regional affiliates that also includes fishing junk police college and really this is the US saying to that of the Chinese government we're sufficiently concerned about your involvement in gross human rights violations that we want to make sure we aren't selling goods or services or providing any of assistance to you you know that could enable the commission of those violations so how significant is it sophie that the trump administration has taken this move on behalf of wiggles awesome other Muslim minorities in western China I can't think of any other administration taking a stand like this I think especially for leaguers and other others who had family members detained literally off the grid for the last few years watching a government take steps like this to bring some pressure to bear is very encouraging what the US administration needs to do now is also parley this integrator pressure on the Chinese government to close the political education camps in Xinjiang and work to ensure that people can be reunited with family members they haven't been able to communicate with at all years now so let's poke at the timing of this announcement is there any evidence it's playing any role in the trump administration's trade war with China well it's interesting you know we were expecting or hoping that the administration would announce Xinjiang related sanctions under the Global Magnitsky Act which is specifically to be imposed in response to human rights violations roughly last December and didn't happen at the time people in the administration expressed a view that they were concerned that if they went ahead with those kinds of sanctions at that moment it might complicate the trade talks but what we've seen in the last couple all of days as we're expecting another Chinese trade delegation to come to Washington for another round of those talks to go ahead with some ways are much larger sanctions now Sorta scrambles that logic sophie. Richardson is China director at Human Rights Watch thanks for being with us today Sophie thank you you're listening to the world China has thousands of clean electric buses as well as the instructor to charge them here in the US bus drivers still have range anxiety the bus that were on today is a extended range bus that bus has a range of one hundred ninety so wrote about says we should focus our efforts on electrifying buses but again the.

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"It is a most powerful, Atari, St. world wins, getting powerful. The regime is not just a Mustika depress price of, but becoming externally aggressive and like empire. I would have liked to end. Mine. Testimony with a quote from Mahatma Gandhi agreement from another great civilization. When I despair, I remember that all through history, the way of choose an love have always one. There have been Tarrant and murderers and the fourth time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always felt think of it. Always thank you. Thank you very much. We appreciate that. Testimony will not hear from Sophie, Richardson. She's the China director at human rights. Watch dot Richardson, is the author of numerous articles on domestic Chinese political reform, democratisation and human rights in Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Hong Kong, the Philippines, Vietnam, under her leadership, Human Rights Watch documented, a myriad, human rights abuses, by the Chinese government, including most recently, the use of mass surveillance, and the emerging technologies issue, Dr Richardson. And British ranking member Menendez members of the committee, thank you for inviting us to join you on this very somber anniversary among most disturbing aspects of president cheese. Roll is Chinese authorities development and deployment of surveillance technology that aspires to engineer descent, free society authorities deny people any meaningful privacy rights from the government's prying eyes and coupled with deeply politicized. You will system the lack of a free press, and the denial of political rights people across the country, have no ability to challenge these developments, or even truly understand how society is being transformed until it impacts them or their families directly, what are some examples of this technology. One of the ministry of public security's, most vicious and privacy, violating big data projects is the police cloud system, which appears to be national the system scoops of information from people's medical records to their supermarket. Memberships to delivery records, much of which is linked to people's unique national identification numbers, the police cloud system aims to track worthy individuals have been who they are with. And what they have been doing as well as make predictions about their future activities in effect. The system watches everyone and the police can arbitrarily designate anyone a threat who requires greater surveillance, especially if they are deemed to be undermining stability. The Chinese government is also developing a national Social Credit system that rewards, good behavior and punishes the bad at present. It is a blacklisting system in which the authorities disapprove of from abnormal petitioning eating on the subway can affect one's ability to obtain services such as getting mortgages for traveling on high-speed trains, or even rolling children in public schools to what extent the Social Credit system will evolve, and how will interact with the police systems of surrealness remains an open question in December twenty seventeen we reported on Kim Jong thirties, compulsory collection of DNA samples. Fingerprints fire scans and blood types of all citizens in the region between the ages of twelve and sixty five in part under the guise of a free public healthcare program that campaign significantly expanded the authorities collection of bio, data beyond previous government efforts in the region. It did not appear that the government disclosed to the public or to participants the full range of how the collective medical information would be used at disseminated or for how long it would be stored, and it appears that people were giving little information about the. Program or the ability to opt out of it. We discover that a US based company Thermo, Fisher scientific and sold. Dna sequencers to the Xinjiang public security bureau, during this period, after inquiries from Human Rights Watch members of congress in New York Times, the company agreed to stop selling that particular technology in that particular region. However, remains unclear whether his adopted due diligence policies that might prevent such problems in the future. Most recently, Human Rights, Watch reverse engineered an app used by the police, and government officials in Xinjiang it is connected to a police mass surveillance system, called the integrated joint operations platform. We aggregate information about all residents have Xinjiang under the guise of providing public security, our research revealed that the thirties, consider many ordinary legal behaviors such as quote, not socializing with neighbors, quote, often avoiding using the front door using WhatsApp, or simply being related to someone who had obtained a new phone number as suspicious, the app, then flags such people interrogation. Some of whom were them sentencing Jones, political education camps, where they are betray early and indefinitely detained the consequences of these technologies across China are enormous the state is now not only able to peer into virtually every aspect of a person's public and private life. But it's also clearly using information gained that way to reward punish people outside any discernible legal scheme. Major Chinese tech companies now operate around the world in two thousand fourteen we documented the sale of telecom surveillance technology to the government, which used adequate to monitor its political opponents. I fly tech, China's major voice recognition companies, which is helping the ministry of public security, and building a national voice pattern database is also working with mitt. China. Electric's technology group corporation stayed on defense conglomerate behind Tim John's idea pieces has numerous subsidiaries including hike vision, a major surveillance camera manufacturer who's product to used around the world, including in the US, what can be done about any of this to combat the Chinese government's expanding USA surveillance technology in the commission of human rights violations. We urge the United States impose appropriate export control mechanisms including by adding companies to existing export control lists and imposing targeted sanctions under the global Magnitsky act. We also encourage consideration of end user bans, US companies universities working in the sector should be encouraged to adopt due diligence policies to ensure that they are not engaged in Ebeling, serious human rights violations. We urge the swift adoption of the week human rights Policy Act which we very glad to see. I was out of this committee mothers, much work for the US to do to limit Chinese government attorneys, communist party encroachments on Hugh. Eamon rights abuses in the United States, particularly with respect realms such as academic freedom. Those strategies must place it their core welcoming, and protecting the rights of people from China, who come here in order to be able to freely exercise, those rights, finally the US, and ideally, members of this today, should recommit their support the independent civil society across China community is under sustained assault and it needs sustained attention from the US, including both congress and executive branch people from that community paid a terrible price tenement. They've paid it over the past three decades, yet, they have not abandoned the tenement spirit and nor should the US. Thank you. Look forward to your questions, soapy Richardson, Human Rights, Watch China director live coverage of the Senate Foreign Relations committee on C span radio. Thank you very much. We're going to hear. Now from Christopher Walker who is vice president for studies analysis, National Endowment for democracy prior to joining any Mr. Walker was vice president for strategy in analysis. Freedom House, Mr. Walker has also served as an adjunct assistant professor of initial affairs at New York University center for global affairs. He's been at the forefront of the discussion on a third -tarian influence on democratic systems, including to what he has termed sharp power, Mr. Walker. I'd like to thank chairman rish ranking number Menendez and other esteemed members of this committee for the opportunity of presenting testimony on the impact of China's international engaging, eight engagement on democracy for many years now, the paramount thirties in Beijing have tightened their grip on Chinese society at home. The Chinese communist party has taken steps to intensify its control of media and create expression and sharpen repression more generally the authorities have enhanced their ability to do so through the application of modern technologies China in the post min has been viewed by external observers largely through an economic development. Lens, the democracies headlong rush into unconditional, rather than measured in principled engagement with China has resulted in evident problems. The central assumption was that by deeply engaging, the People's Republic of China and wellbeing welcoming its integration into globe into the global economic system. It's government would be encouraged to move in the direction of meaningful political reform. But this approach hasn't turned out the way we anticipated although today, China, intersex, in many ways, with the global system. It has not become more transparent and accountable under the rule rather. It's develop policies and practices that can corrode and undermine democratic standards thus. We are at the same time facing systems integration and systems competition for too long observers, increase societies, have you, these trends with China, as divorced from developments from beyond the PR see, but this narrow view is misguided and has led to a dangerous sense of complacency. Beijing has internationalized its -tarian ISM in ways that affects us all this important. Innovative Serie of the brutal crackdown of Tiananmen Square were obliged to reflect on, on the China that has emerged over the past three decades and on how the country's leadership is pursuing its ambitions beyond its country's borders. Critical aspect of China's development is the massive resources the authorities. Have invested in modern technologies. Such investments over the years have been central to the repression in the Xinjiang Wieger autonomous region, which is functioning now as technology animated, police state as China scholar, Samantha Hoffman notes investment by the Chinese authorities in other parts of China including in Tibet over an extensive period of time has enabled, the building of the formidable arsenal of surveillance that today is evident in the region. Indeed today. The Wego region, it's self serves as an incubator for the testing and development of cutting edge technological tools, repression that are invariably feeding back into other parts of the PR, but also having impact beyond China's borders, including in places such as Latin America, and Africa. Part from this fear of technology. They djing has refined at scaled up its instruments of influence and with them, it's ability to manipulate the political landscape in other countries as leadership in Beijing has become more repressive. Domestically China has grown more in business. Internationally in ways that are anathema to democratic values in the rule of law such behavior is at direct odds with the notion of China, as a responsible stakeholder under the direction of the China has established platforms abroad for educational, cultural and other forms of influence within open societies. It's been noted during the course of the discussion so far, that China's sharing technologies and know-how with other authoritarian regimes which is true Cambodia and go love and his Waylon the like, but I would stress that the wrinkle today that should really concern all of us is that China's sharing these technologies and more open societies. We can talk a little bit more about that. But this is really critical to the understanding of China's. Evolution and its ambitions. So just say a brief word about some of this in the media sphere, where China has learned to manage political ideas within its own borders, quite effectively as my colleagues have noted. They're now bending globalization. In a way that manipulates discourse abroad, both in wide open, democratic societies, but also in a thorough -tarian settings in Africa. For example, China has intensified its engagement, especially in the regions media sphere expanding its presence in the in state owned media outlets in the region hosting exchange programs and trainings for journalists and acting as a supplier for Africa's telecommunications infrastructure, I note, however, that the Chinese government's training of journalists is not what we imagined it to be. It's not real journalism education. Instead, the focus is on taking in Chinese achievements big infrastructure projects, and the like in learning, how to report from the Chinese government's perspective. Such patterns are also ever. In Latin America. I note that in the United States in two thousand fifteen it was reported that Chinese China radio international, which is Beijing's state run radio network was operating as a hidden hand behind a global web of stations on which government controls much of the content. This is in line with the patterns. We're seeing in terms of China's engagement around the world, and I would say this is defined by opacity and secrecy. So in Panama just to give a couple of other examples in El Salvador, when these governments, which their diplomatic recognition recognition from Taiwan to the key, government, private sector and civil society actors in those countries were kept in the dark until after official announcements were made Christopher Walker National Endowment for democracy. Vice president, you know a deal reached when Christina Kirshner was in power saw the People's Liberation Army given a fifty year lease to build an operator space observation station with dual use capabilities in Patagonia, after recent reporting reveal the agreement provided the Argentine government with no mechanisms for oversight where access to the station Argentina's, National Congress launch an investigation, and is seeking to revisit the agreement. The key issue here is that in none of these cases..

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"They if they don't want to be indulging in such food. Tell me what's going on. And you know, give me a picture of what's been going on there. Thank you, Robin. Chris of so what's been going on is? You know, this area has been occupied by China for quite a while. It's about seventy years almost since nineteen forty nine. So China has been colonizing this region known as East Turkestan and trying to assimilate the the Turkic speaking people there the Turkic peoples of eastern on in recent years. Millions of people have been thrown into concentration camps where they are forced to denounce the ethnic and religious identity. So it's not just the Turkic Muslims mean majority of the people there are Muslims. But there's also Christians Buddhists and other people that are being put a TV's camps and forced to denounce their religion as well. Why are they doing this? I mean, I get you know, that they have some political interest in expanding. And and and the like, but what is their need in your opinion to to get these people to renounce their faith. So China's worried that you know, this region might, you know, regained its independence the people vs Turkistan Tibet, you know, occupied. But as well have been quite a resistance to try resistant to China's attempts to assimilate them into the broad Chinese culture. So China fills out a state of do this. If this region to bed, and he's Turkistan breakaway then it will be detrimental to China's one belt one road strategy and to the Chinese dream, which is essentially making China, the global hegemony, and what is this one belt one road strategy. Explain that for me and for my listeners. So the one belt one road strategy is like a silk road strategy. It's a sinus economic belt. It's a trillion dollar economic pipeline. You could say dot connects China to the Middle East to Africa to the west to the rest of Asia as wall it's to help Chinese goods transfer to transfer Chinese goods out of China to neighboring countries and European markets without having to go through the South China Sea and east Turkistan. I would imagine geographically is sits somewhere in between. The Middle East, and and and and mainland China if you knew for lack of a better word a and they're they're all continuously situated. Yes. So it Steve far northwestern part of what is known as China today. The Chinese renamed it Xinjiang, which means the new frontier or the new territory borders nine different countries, including China. So it's very strategic to China because it's also roughly about one fifth size of China and has mineral a national resources. So it's a very large territory. What are the nine countries that are some of the nine countries at borders? So to the north you have Russia to the west you have Kazhakstan Kirghistan Tajikistan to the south you have Afghanistan, Pakistan, India southeast you have to bet and then to the east you have China and Mongolia and have other countries claimed own. Ownership over this land. Or was it largely independent before China decided to claim it? No, it was it was largely independent prior to the Chinese communist dating in October of nineteen forty nine. And then officially dissolving the Easter Republican December of nineteen forty nine got it. So and by the way, I talking to Sally, how'd you our he is the political affairs officer for the East Turkestan national awakening movement. Obviously this is an oppressed region of the China China Middle Eastern quarter. I guess we'd have to call it. And and it's something that should be on people's mind because these are the kind of atrocities that America used to stand up against but alas we live in the age of Donald Trump. And it is my understanding that we're not doing much here. Yes. Unfortunately, the administration has not really done anything. I mean. Last year. Vice President Mike Pence raised issue, but there has been no concrete steps taken to, you know, sanctioning China or to address the the mass atrocities that are going on in the region. The US government has officially even recognized it as genocide though, everything that's occurring in the region, including the preventing bursts amongst the population. The force transfer of hundreds of thousands of children for one population to another. You know, putting up over three million peoples in the cost of training camps, or they're forced not only to the napkin religious identity, but are a forced medication of women and men and even then are being raped in these camps. There's organ harvesting and people are dying. And then, you know, the Chinese are. Cremating the bodies so called. Facility. So it's a it's a real genocide good online and in the United States government. Or no other government has actually labeled it as such. When did this problem I rear its ugly head to the world? I mean, this seems like something that didn't just arise yesterday. Was this a problem during the Obama years and video Obama administration? Do anything about it. So yeah. In two thousand nine there was a demonstration in across east Turkistan that was brutally gunned down shut put down, and then, you know, the Chinese closed off the region and closed all communication into the region for over a whole year. And you know, again, the international community will silent including United States. They just said that they were monitoring the situation and that was it. So it's been going on for quite a while an all administered different administration, you know, different governments. You know, they've all been silent on the issue for the longest, and I would imagine that the suspect did reason for this is the vast amount of trade, the United States and other nations have with China right now. I I mean, tell me if I'm wrong. Exactly, exactly. And that's why you had the the prince Mohammad bin Salman, the Saudi prince who's like the second in line of protect. He's supposed to be the protector of the Muslim world, you know, he went to China recently, and he praised China's efforts to quote, combat extremism and separatism. By putting up millions of Muslims in concentration counts. And he said he said it was China's right to do this. You know, that's just amazing to me that that that's the case. And now we see people like my good friend, congressman Eliot Engel from New York attempting to raise awareness of this in the congress. And of course, the administration just ignoring it. What efforts are going to be undertaken to try to get the administration not to ignore it other than you coming on my show, which I'm sure is being reached by millions right now. But so we have yes. So we have a large demonstration on March sixteenth a freedom plaza in Washington DC. Hopefully, we're going to pressure. You know, a call on the United States government, the United States, Congress the White House and the State Department to recognize this atrocities as a genocide and uphold DO. Elliott was L genocide Prevention Act and pressured the UN to uphold the UN genocide Prevention Act genocide convention act. And then to also, you know, have the United States government, you know, recognize East Turkestan as occupied territory like they recognize too. But. And then you know to actually sanction Chinese officials under the Magnitsky global Magnitsky act to engage in like a official demarches. Other other diplomatic means to, you know, hold China accountable for for this undertaking. Do you have personal ties to the region? Yes, I have over one hundred relatives in my hometown alone. There's over one hundred fifty thousand people in in these concentration camps. There's five large concentration camps, and I have over a hundred relatives. That we're in these that are in these camps three died recently in the past three months. And then now they took all the men now they're targeting the woman, they're taking just in my family. The last two weeks we had a seven females in my family taken to to the camps. We don't know if they're taking to the camps, or if they're being forced to marry a Chinese met because that's something else that that the Chinese are doing. I'm I'm sure this is very a very stressful situation for you something that you're passionate about and want to gain further attention for and I hope that you know, this little bit where can people contact you? So people can contact me via our website, national awaken dot org or they can also find me on Twitter at solely s is alpha. Ellison Lima is in India Aitchison hotel under. Score Aitchison hotel us in uniform Diaz delta is alpha wise and Yankee is an Alfa Romeo or they can find me on Facebook. And. Facebook as well. Well, I wish you well in this effort. This is very troubling. And I'm glad you brought it to our attention again. I'm Chris Hans sitting in for Rick Unger. Give us a call any time. If you want to be part of the conversation at eight three three seven one one seven four to five that's eight three three seven one. Rick. Chris hani? I'll be right back. Yet rational,.

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"That's one word and now back to our program. Let's talk more about Jamal kashogi. In some ways. It's it's a fascinating. As this crisis continues to roll out as people continue to operate in their interest in sometimes contrary to their own interests with these half truths and reports and arrests and prosecutions. This seems to be an unusual and unpredictable source of an international crisis sympathy and bipartisan support in the United States for some sort of truth telling around the kashogi killing seems to be growing this isn't going away. Just because the Saudis would like it to go away. It's definitely not going away. I think the Saudis have been extraordinarily surprised by it. But I don't know why this was this. This has to go down as one of the most bizarre episodes. Of course, it was a brutal murder, but but think about this the Saudis. Murdered a journalist who works for the Washington Post in their own consulate in Istanbul. The major city is a NATO partner of the United States. That is at odds with Saudi Arabia, in what way did the Saudis think that this was one set aside, the appropriateness of murdering someone a journalist. But in what way did they think that they were going to get away with any of this? Of course, the Turks were monitoring and third countries are at odds over the rift in the Gulf in number of other issues. Why you kill someone from the Washington Post? We sit in why we're sitting in Washington DC. This is a town where people make news right news and obsessive about the news. This is the hometown newspaper of those people any murder of any journalist is is terrible thing that the Saudis handled this in in the worst way. And then when they got caught. To come up with a series of bizarre explanations for this. Was I think. I only increase the outrage the global outrage and the outrage in the United States, and I think that the way in which they handled the kashogi murder, especially here in Washington, especially when it came to the congress of reinforced four people in the congress that the Saudis need to pay a price for a number of things that they've done over the years war were they relying on a kind of kingdom institutional memory. We're for decades some of the outrageous conduct both abroad, and at home a committed in the name of Saudi Arabia financed by Saudi money was papered over if you could hang in long enough, you would get past it. The problems would go away there'd be a mush mouth communique issued both in Washington and Riyadh and stuff. Would just go away did Mohammed bin Salman, not understand that he's operating in a different environment. Clearly, he did not understand this. Clearly, they thought that given their tight relationship with the Trump administration that the Trump administration would explain this away and everybody in Washington would go back back to doing business as usual. And I think they obviously miscalculated all this, especially the fact that the Turks were going to be so dog it in unearthing and revealing what they knew about the murder now rigid type one the president of Turkey. Really has no commitment to journalistic freedoms. Jail to is the world's leading jailer of journalists, but in his geo political maneuvers in the region, the Saudis are a competitor. And he would like to peel the United States away from the Saudis, so the Turks dead Washington. These the the absolute shocking details of casualties murder. Congress was already bipartisan members of congress were already quite concerned even outrage over what was happening in Yemen Saturday Arabia's conduct in Washington the way in which they dealt the high handed way in which they've dealt with a elected representatives in the United States has not won them any friends on Capitol Hill. And then of course, the president's own ten year when it comes to this his suggesting to them what their. Cover story should be hit the connection between his son-in-law. And the crown prince there was an undeniable certain partisan aspect to the outrage because of the connection between Trump President Trump and his son-in-law to mom been somewhere. But it's really become more. Bipartisan over time. This outraged. I think the Saudis have been stung by the concern is that they actually haven't learned their lesson and are continuing to do some nasty things. It's just kind of pushed them further away from the United States. Well, for decades, what the Saudis would do is sort of the PR equivalent of lawyering up. I don't know what you'd call it PRN up higher high-power international firms to make these problems go away. And I don't think there are enough Bali loafers or custom suits on the planet to handle this one now that the predicate has been laid of increasingly ridiculous and. Unbelievable explanations for what happened to a man who walked into a building. And never walked out of it. Why it happened who's to blame symbolic arrests? And now of theatrical prosecutions all in the interest of pursuing the story line that Mohammed bin Salman that this might have gone on without him being aware of it without him ordering it an over zealous public servant wanted to impress the boss. I it's hard to believe where you come down on that. Do you believe that Jamal Khashoggi couldn't have been murdered without people high up in the food chain in Riyadh knowing exactly what was going to happen? Saudi Arabia the country that's essentially run by five people. No decisions are made without any the most senior level signing off it strikes me as. Way. The gap between the reality that we know about how Saturday Arabia actually works and the story that the Saudis were saying about oh, these are overzealous skies. They didn't he never meant that he never meant to order a killing that to me sounds like it just does not conform to the reality that we know about Saudi Arabia. Look, you have foreign ministers who were signing off on people's visa applications. This is a place where the bureaucracy civil servants are frozen until the most senior level says yes, or no. So the idea that these guys who killed kashogi. In stumble were out freelancing, and they were just trying to impress the boss. Stretches credulity. In addition to the fact that the Turks have intercepts in which these guys are calling back to Saudi Arabian saying, essentially, the deed is done. Tell tell Mohammed bin Salman, we've we've accomplished our mission. So. No. These explanations these prosecutions as you as you point out are a folly, and there are a way in which trying which the Saudis, and they still have a robust roster of consultants year in lobbyists here in Washington, but it's their effort to try to make this thing. Go away. It it just it doesn't wash. And I think that they're unaware that the United States is at least elected members of congress as well as others are going to keep digging until the truth is now are there signs. The administration in Washington is backing away from its earlier explanations excuses. Attempts to make this thing. Not look quite as bad as it is administration is basically ignoring me issue at this point. In on February eighth. The administration was supposed to report to congress about whether Hamad bin Salman should be sanctioned under the global Magnitsky act series of sanctions that can be applied to people for a variety of transgressions human rights violations. What have you? The president did not report to the congress. The secretary of state essentially said we've looked into the matter, and we will not be going forward with any kind of sanctions against anyone in Saudi Arabia, essentially, a two line note to the chairman and ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations committee, they want this very much to go away. They want to have businesses usual. They regard Saudi Arabia as central to their Middle East strategy now in their defense. Anybody who would have walked into the Oval Office in January twenty seventeen would have surveyed the Middle East and recognize that essentially the only major Arab states still standing with Saudi Arabia. On the other hand. They have enabled. The worst instincts of Mohammed bin Salman by essentially letting him out of the box on this one. And I think by all indications the Saudis are unrepentant and are continuing to arrest people and go after their opponents, whether it is in Saudi Arabia or abroad, is it remarkable to you. How quickly the story has turned from young modernizing handsome hip. Prince two now a guy who's youth may be a problem because it means it's going to be around a really long time. It's in in one sense. It's it's absolutely shocking. How poorly the Saudis calculate how poorly? Mohammed bin Salman, his advisors calculated and how quickly they fruit and as a result. How quickly they frittered away this extraordinarily international goodwill. This is a guy who is seen in Starbucks with Michael Bloomberg in New York, chilling with I think it was Brad Pitt in a number of other Hollywood stars given a warm reception in in Silicon Valley. This is the new face of Saudi Arabia, but the new Saudis are looking a bit like the old Saudis that they that this was PR and that the way of doing business in Saudi Arabia remains opaque. An often brutal. I will point out. However that Mohammed bin Salman plans goal is to rule actually more like his grandfather even sewed king Abdelaziz, then any of his uncle's or his father. For the last four or five decades. Certainly the the the the Saudi King is is the absolute monarch, but behind the scenes there have been delicate negotiations between constituents of the Royal family. The religious establishment non-royal elites within the Royal family and once consensus. Once they come to a consensus, then the king issues decree. Prince Mohammad bin summa and wants to rule at really adds, the the absolute monarch sees that. This is the only way to reform cetera. But but these top down reforms often don't work and lead to all kinds of problems in society. And he himself is not as smart as he thinks he thinks he is. And he has undermined a major pillar of support for what he's wanted to do in Saudi Arabia, and that is the international community. He's toxic hot on the heels of the kashogi killing and the dissembling that followed. It comes news that the Trump aligned media group AM, I may have had a relationship with Riyadh of some sort. This seemed to be a shockingly, unsophisticated and obvious and clunky. Attempt to buy a little goodwill peculiar, but also at the same time kind of interesting as a as a gambit reports suggests that the Saudis approached a number of media outlets including vice. And a number of others, but they got no takers and AM, I which publishes the National Enquirer took this on and produced this ninety one page glossy magazine about Mohammed bin Salman. I remember when it came out. It was it was actually very hard to find. Because I was desperate to get my hands on it not only because it was interesting. But I thought it would look great with all of the other kitsch that I've collected in the Middle East that that that adorns my office. But there was clearly an effort underway to make Mohammed bin Salman. The kind of reformer Ford looking solid ally of the United States. It was a strange strange way of doing it. But in a way, you know in the abstract Mohammed bin Salman should be a rock star in the United States. I mean after all this is a guy who he wants to. He wants to fight extremists. He is allowing women to drop, and he deals pretty openly with these rallies, and they don't have diplomatic relations. So these are kind of hot button issues that you would think in congress in particular, people would be falling all over themselves about Mohammed bin Salman. So just goes to show how poorly Mohammed bin Salman has handled. His time as the defacto ruler of Saudi Arabia, and how poorly the Saudis have done in Washington telling their story. Major things have gotten in the way the killing of kashogi the blockade cutter the. Incident at the Ritz where all these people were arrested the forced resignation of Ruffy. Hurry. The Yemen war. No amount of glossy magazine is gonna overcome those kinds of things if you're arresting women activists who are you are natural constituency, and if in torturing them, I mean, there are reports of torture unconfirmed, but credible enough. This is not something that anyone can look upon this ruler. And call him a genuine reformer apart from regional intrigue apart from undermining your enemies, both inside the kingdom and on its borders. Is this stuff that Saudi Arabia is trying to get accomplished as a state in order to ensure its security in the coming decades diversify its sovereign wealth portfolio move away from a dependence solely on petroleum petroleum products for its national wealth diversify. By it's Konami, bring up its people. So that they don't all live in this incredible welfare state, where largest rains down from a very small group at the top and just sort of gets spread out on a still fairly small population of people aren't there national goals that sort of get sidelined or derailed by this crazy intrigue and own goals and other mistakes that are being made at the top. That's one of the things that is so shocking.

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"global magnitsky act" Discussed on C-SPAN Radio

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14:56 min | 3 years ago

"global magnitsky act" Discussed on C-SPAN Radio

"Yes. In the blow. Hi, I'm greener Lova journalists in exile journals from Russia, and we, of course, know that Russia is a is a is a state where there's this messy propaganda state propaganda machine. And we don't need an assessment to you know, to decide whether those that rogue actors or not we know that the rogue actors. And I've been calling for sanctioning at least the top officials at the state propaganda machine ACA. You know, the chief editor RT channel and every time I talk to people is rob. I'm being told that now there is this in the first amendment, and including some congressional staffers on the democratic say, so Ben MC question is we know that the Obama administration aggressively lobbied against the Magnitsky act. State Department treasury national Security Council, they didn't want the Magnitsky act to be passed. Hope thankfully did. And we now know that he was a mistake to lobby against him. And my question is aren't we like the US making this same mistake? Now when we do not sanction Putin's as states propagandist. Thank you. This is air. She spread radio programming from Monday WCBS be from Washington. Well, when when I was an assistant secretary of state, I very much wanted to sanction the propaganda, but Roberson ski told me I couldn't do it. Do you want to explain why that's true? So I sort of kidding. I'll take the opening I think we can all agree of about the nature of Russia's state propaganda. And it's terrible effects of the Russian and elsewhere. The bottom line is we look at the two Magnitsky act is they simply don't apply to to sanctioning propaganda. We go back and look at what sorts of crimes are covered. And there was early discussion that looks like the Trump administration is applying the definitions a little bit more broadly than the Obama administration did, but essentially the covered crimes boil down to murder rape torture, enforced disappearance, and yes, the holding of political prisoners are unjust imprisonment. It's important that the crimes that these sanctions given how. Cooercive a tool they are. It's important that we all have a common understanding of how could be applied. This is a very serious penalty. And it is one that absolutely should not be applied on illegal or unjust grounds. And I say as a human rights advocate that this is a tool that if misapplied could be extraordinarily damaging to any number of classes of people, but not least of whom are activists and journalists so when we're dealing with propaganda. It's just an incredibly tricky landscape, and at the end of the day, we need to be very careful when we're talking about freedom of expression. I know this is the answer you you've heard before an expect. But that's not to say that there aren't other means by which the US government should be approaching the. Effects of propaganda. And I think we need to be very creative in how we address disinformation. As anybody that has read the headlines over the course of the last three years could tell you at the mater moderator's discretion, I'm going to interject with my own question for the panel. I I always find it. Interesting to probe unintended consequences of policies. The United States does harkening back to our Patriot Act and are anti-terrorism laws in the years after nine eleven we've seen countries all over the world, adopt around anti-terrorism laws, which have been used to crack down on expression. Is there a potential that that Magnitsky could also be misapplied? Instead of like, I don't know. But if I were a creative dictator, I'm pretty sure I could find a way to accuse a dissident of a human rights violation because he upset the public stability or something like that. Can you can talk a little bit about maybe the nuance here in trying to propagate a set of human rights laws that ten not be misconstrued. The do the exact opposite of what we want them to do. So the bottom line is that the dictators already have tools at their disposal to use against activists. Including the misapplication of the law and up to and including murder. I don't think we should let that argument. Stop us. Now, we should have safeguards in place. And this is a topic of conversation with the Europeans. They think about their own law. We need to make sure that anybody that's designated input on what's called the specially designated nationals list that the treasury department maintains that the evidence evidentiary base that went into that designation is airtight. It's very important that the person designated be able to show at the end of the day that they either were designated wrongly, and that that designation can be challenged either administratively or through a quarter of law which exists in the United States war, and this gets to the heart of what sanctions are all about the person has changed their behavior and that should be delisted because the global Magnitsky act is so new that hasn't occurrences. Not yet. Come up, with the exception of the Turkey case, I mentioned earlier after Brunson was released but in other sanctions programs. We have seen instances in which the designated individual petitions, and ultimately is is delisted given a change in behavior. But coming back to what dictators are going to say, they already have all the tools, so I don't have much sympathy for us necessarily needing to rebut that that line of thinking. I would say it's important for the United States to realize the role that it plays around the world. And so you alluded to the terrorism laws, and you know, to put things in perspective, the most common charge that is used to jail. Journalists in the past three years have seen record numbers of journalists. Jailed more than two hundred and fifty each year. Is anti-state charges such as supporting terrorism, I'm providing support to a terrorist group, terrorist, propaganda, etc. So it is and now we've seen it with fake news as well. As the fake news rhetoric has spread around the world. We're seeing that more countries are proposing fake news laws that would restrict and punish criminally. Punish the dissemination of so-called fake news? We've seen the number of journalists imprisoned on false news charges rise since not rhetoric has increased. And of course, we can look at specific examples going back to the Russian propaganda one where the whole discussion about faira in the foreign agents registration act over RT in the United States led to retaliation in Russia creating their own approach to faira and using that to apply not only to US government funded. Entities media entities, but also to CNN and other broader media entities. So it's an issue. But you know, as rob said, I think it doesn't seem to concerning in the Magnitsky act at this point. Courtney radish committee to protect journalists. Thank you very much interview. Based in Beirut, Lebanon reason said about Beirut Lebanon, because we have the national criminal about a Hariri was assassinated. But in this case, we have more evidence about has you case who was murdered in the embassy and instead of going through the sanction route international tribunal could be. At least. Agreed upon or at least we should take the legal you've been in the congress to have. Or whatever. Turkey by itself, by the way, called for such thing. So I think protecting journalists probably the legal approach with an international law or. It's more probably acceptable either nationally, then sometimes the selective application of sanction on on certain country to be perceived as really selective morality or selective. Justice. I can take that. I think when I was a US diplomat the prime example, the critics of the United States pointed to to argue that America was selective in its use of human rights tools with Saudi Arabia. So I think if we are if we use a strong human rights tool against Saudi Arabia, actually, a fairly good example of the United States. Placing values ahead of its relationships. It would not be seen as selective that said if there were an international judicial or legal mechanism that could be applied here. I would be very strongly supportive of that. My guess is that it would be harder in practice to put that into place because I doubt that Saudi Arabia would cooperate. I doubt that they would produce suspects to be to be tried especially since the chief suspect is potentially the absolute ruler of the country for the next fifty years. If if that is allowed to happen. And so the Magnitsky sanctions tool becomes something that we know is at least available to us, even as we pursue other traditional mechanisms with response to your question around the international role. So at the committee to protect her analysts. We don't believe that there is only one path to Justice for the murder of Jamal choke. She in so we have called for an international United Nations criminal investigation by the secretary general. We held a press conference at the UN with Human Rights, Watch reporters without borders and amnesty calling for this we've met with the secretary general's office and with several Member States, and we understand that Turkey has expressed its openness to that. So we would like to see the UN secretary general launched their own investigation. I think that the UN special rapporteur on extrajudicial killing and her initial fact-finding mission to Turkey indicates again that there is very significant. Evidence that the crown prince was involved and so further the call for an international criminal investigations, though. I don't think that it's an either or it's both. Right here in the Thai. Thank you very much. Alex hasn't independent newsagents Toronto. And appreciate. According to case, I think we should keep in mind that imam Ali of sedation. We had a congressional action. Durbin amendment was actually calling everyone every single person involved in his case could be sanctuary. I think that's strong. Government took it. Quite smart little that. Hey, you know, they they are they gonna come after president everybody involved. So my question that my colleague from Russia. Us. We know about what we know about John contests where the first family MAC. They are the ones ordering is no res- or they decide who gets in an obstacle in this station. Going after some small, let's say let's say highlights somewhat smaller. Listen officials really. Doesn't restart effective. If you go after the robot. Discussing you know? Money that we have another draws in prison. I've come what what we heard from his? Station. In jail that some high level officials in jail are basically trying to get involved into Turtur because they are to a fact that they might get promoted because names will get out of their governments with talk about them. They don't have an interest. They they don't wanna company US in the first place. So is that how much should we align on knowledge about how conscious being managed and what kind of assets do they have what I go off of that? When we think about sanctions on my second question, if you don't mind, I appreciate the congressman being here. And thank you for being involved. We heard for missing last weekend. He drew a red line against those who are naming his crown prince. And I think this is sweat. And I also think it's actually about congress because congress just passenger solution, and ultimately, how would you respond threat? What we will respond to that threat. I hope by passing legislation that crosses his red line. Congressman Tom Malinowski threatened members of congress. If you want to influence us, that's a very very bad idea on your first point around. You know, how this is being used having meant to answer beige on twice including on press freedom mission related to to journalists who are in prison. I think that. The interest that the alley family house and visiting Europe and vacationing there and all of that indicates how important it could be for the EU to adopt as the more type of legislation. I mean, I think US global Magnitsky act is great if you have that relationship with the United States, and if you keep your money here, and if you own real estate or all all of these other interests, but again, it will improve an strengthen the impact if we can see this globally..

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"global magnitsky act" Discussed on C-SPAN Radio

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17:03 min | 3 years ago

"global magnitsky act" Discussed on C-SPAN Radio

"Accused murderer and the mastermind accountable live from the National Press Club WCS PFM Washington for that good tie-in congressman. So we have this letter which has not been released publicly. But which we know from things lawmakers have said makes clear that the Trump administration is not at this point going to make a legal finding the Trump administration officials have said that it's discretionary that. It's up to the ministrations discretion, whether it complies with committee for requests. Is that what the law says? What are we looking at politically here? How how far would congress have to go up potentially push this and? What are some of the different kinds of levers that lawmakers have if they want to push this action in terms of getting answers. Thanks, so. Ordinarily. It is a matter of discretion. Two for an administration to decide whether to. Meter request from committees for information. This isn't an ordinary request because we have a law passed by the congress signed by the president of the United States, which says very explicitly that when the chairs of these committees send a letter to the State Department asking for a factual determination did Robertson ski commit a crime. The administration must respond by saying yes, or no. And if yes, then what steps will be taken to hold him accountable. Congressman Tom Malinowski does not mandate. Sanctions. It does not say if you have committed a grave human rights abuse. You must be sanctioned if merely gives the president the authority to impose those sanctions, but it does give these members of congress the ability to require a factual determination about particular individuals who have been accused of these crimes so that we know did NBS kill Jamal Shoji. And if so what are you going to do about it? They have to answer. And so this is in my opinion, as a member of congress, an example of the executive branch defying the law. They would rather defy the law that offense Audi Arabia in this case. And that's a matter of grave concern. We're going to have to go back and figure out what we can do about. About that. Whether we have any legal mechanisms to challenge, what we what we think most of us on the hill is a serious misinterpretation of the Magnitsky act, the global Magnitsky act second we have to nail decide what we can do as congress about the kashogi case going forward. Again, the Magnitsky act creates authority for sanctions, we could if we chose pass legislation that mandates sanctions for anybody responsible for the death of dramatic Shoji. This would be the next logical step. And it's something that I hope congress will do there is support for such legislation in the Senate we've seen Senator Menendez Senator young and others introduced legislation along those lines. So it has bipartisan support in the Senate. I believe that there would be significant support in the house of representatives as well. And as our president likes to say, we'll see what happens, but I think that would be the next logical step. This is she's spread radio programming from Monday WC SPF from Washington. Thank you very much congressman. So I want to expand the debate or the discussion beyond Jamal kashogi to the international stage and and other journalists around the world. Following the lead of the United States have mentioned on the panel. Some other countries have adopted Magnitsky laws of their own including the United Kingdom, Canada and Estonia and the European Union is currently debating language for Magnitsky measure, so rob you are mind to my understanding very involved in these discussions in the EU in terms of advocating for language or sharing your expertise about what language should be in the law. Could you kind of sketch out the the points of contention, including how? Protected. Classes of people are are not defined such as journalists. Sure. So as you mentioned, Rachel, we in the United States have been leading on this matter, but a number of other governments have also taken action under a broad base of laws that are loosely referred to as as Magnitsky laws as you mentioned Canada has passed law is begins begun to implement it. Meaning that it is levied designations against individuals, including the seventeen Saudi nationals designated under the US law. There is a law on the books in the United Kingdom is tied into Brexit. And so it is not yet been implemented. And then a number of the Baltic states have passed laws though to the best of my understanding those in terms of sanctions deal only with visa restrictions. Meaning that designated individuals can't enter the territory of the St.. States, but have no economic impact, which for obvious reasons is is very important. So in December, the Dutch foreign ministry, led a conversation at the gathering of EU foreign ministers that happens on a regular basis around. Whether the European Union would start the process of designing a law similar to the global Magnitsky act that would hold across the twenty eight Member States of the European Union. That conversation is in very early stages. There is no draft text of what the law that would put on the books this program might look at look like and a number of organizations, including mine as you mentioned or involved in speaking with Member States and components of the European Union around what a viable Magnitsky like program might look like you asked about points of contention. There are a number one issue is whether a future European sanctions program would address not just human rights violations, but also corruption and as we heard from congressman Malinowski earlier proponents of using this tool effectively strongly feel that given what we know to be true in so many repressive environments that governments that hold no legitimacy and essentially hold power by force tend to combine. The repression they engage in with stealing from their people. And when they steal from their people they rely on repression to hold power. So these are issues that are inextricably linked. And the message that I and other advocates have been carrying two Member States in the European Union is the to have an effective program you need to incorporate both corruption and human rights prongs. Robertson ski with human rights. I the number of other. Points of discussion. These sanctions are complex. They bring in obviously, a number of crimes around the world. And so there's an ongoing conversation around whether it's appropriate to specify the sorts of crimes that are covered and the victims the potential victims against whom the crimes are committed or whether it's better to leave the law general or not in the in the US context for those that go and look at the tax of the global Magnitsky act. It's actually quite broad and subject to a fair amount of interpretation. It simply says that sanctions may be executed against perpetrators of gross violations of human rights and acts of significant corruption. Through the law. Those terms are defined to some extent. But our law does not get into specific classes of individuals as I mentioned in my opening remarks, the European Union for a variety of different reasons may take a slightly different approach, and may actually specify particular crimes and particular classes of victims, and there are trade offs between leaving the executive more latitude versus kind of specifying. Here are the instances in which we expect that sanctions might be leading. Thank you for that. Rob courtney? Do you want to add anything to this from CPT's perspective as you're viewing these ongoing EU discussions? Yeah. I think it's it's important to realize we're still relatively early days of figuring out how and if the Magnitsky act can really have an impact on protecting journalists, which is ultimately for us what we're looking at. And if we look at where we are so far there have only been two cases where the Magnitsky act was used to sanction. Individuals who are determined to be responsible for the murder of a journalist, and rob alluded to the one in Guatemala, and there were two journalists killed in two thousand fifteen and of course, the seventeen Saudi officials, but it also it does look like the threat of a travel ban can have an impact on the broader freedom of the press issues in countries. At least in one instance, that threat of a travel ban proposed by a Senator with an amendment to the State Department and foreign operations appropriations Bill which called for travel bans against as her by John. Any officials. Did appear to potentially be linked to the release of mammon Aaliyah who has released from detention I'm shortly afterwards. So I think, you know, this still remains to be tested, but as alluded to there are early indications that you know, it's a step in the right direction. It's a tool in many countries like Azerbaijan Saudi Arabia et cetera. But I think that one, you know, there are a few concerning things about the initial. Invocation of the Magnitsky act one is that no one from the Middle East was before these seventeen Saudi individuals. So despite the vast violations against press, freedom, and broader human rights in many countries in the Middle East, including for example, Egypt which is the world's second leading jailer of journalists or Bahrain, which has systematically dismantled a reform movement. And I think we both tried to go to Bahrain at some point. And we're not allowed in or you got kicked out or something. Can remember the details? That's interesting. The people you speak. What? So I think that there's still a long way to go with this. But when you're searching for Justice, especially in regions, where you don't have say a European Court of human rights, or you don't have the organization of American states or the the or these other bodies where you might be able to to go to get Justice. It really could be the only lifeline to finding any matter of Justice when journalists are murdered. Great. Thank you Courtney. This next question. I love to hear from you. Rob and Hugh, congressman Rachel Oswald. See cute roll-call. The sanctions generally speaking are becoming much more popular as a policy tool of statecraft United States, but kind of the best practices of sanctions are still evolving, and there's ongoing discussion about whether sanctions work to stop current bad behavior or whether they work better as a deterrent for preventing a future bad behavior. Do either one of you wanna talk or would you please discuss your own thinking about how sanctions work in the human rights context and even a little bit more specifically in the press freedom context? Start. Sure, I'll eat dolphin. I'm sure Tom. We'll have smarter thoughts. Rob Berge Inskeep. So diplomacy diplomacy conversation. Diplomatic conversation is about. Bargaining and compromise and leverage and at the end of the day sanctions with human rights or otherwise our policy tool, they have potentially a deterrent effect and can administer a a modem of Justice, certainly. But ultimately the point of tools like this is to affect policy change or personal behavioral change in conversations. I had when I was serving in the US State Department. Let's say around political prisoners often the conversation revolved in what the US government was willing to trade to the other government for that other government to release someone from detention who never should have been there in the first place, whether a journalist or otherwise, in many cases, the discussion that goes on within the US government in these contexts revolves around what carrots we can. Give for that person to be released that's perfectly appropriate conversation. But what sanctions targeted sanctions that can be placed on individuals allow in a diplomatic negotiation is additional leverage. So for instance, the US government can sanction and official found to be responsible or multiple officials found to be responsible for the unjust imprisonment of a dissident or a peaceful protester or an opposition politician. That puts a marker on the board that can then be used in the diplomatic conversation. It creates a point of leverage rather than giving something away. So it's in those cases where we see kind of the most sophisticated use of tools like this do I think that when there's not a diplomatic strategy around sanctions tools like this are used effectively. It's very hard to know, it certainly has an impact on the sanctioned individual. But whether a system in which an individual knows that he or she can otherwise say commit torture with impunity is going to change his or her behavior or the system is going to change his or her her behavior, if the US government isn't more systematic in its application, I think we all know what the outcome's going to be there's probably not likely to be that much change. So the times in which tools like this are the most. Most effective or when they're part of a larger diplomatic strategy in which you can actually create the leverage and then use the leverage towards some greater end. A good example of that was the the strategy. We followed over the years to promote democratic change in Burma for many years, we impose sanctions ultimately targeted. Sanctions very similar to the Magnitsky act. Sanctions were discussing here on senior Burmese leaders military officials, and it didn't look like it was having any impact and then changes began in in Burma. And we carried out exactly the kind of diplomatic negotiation that rob just mentioned every single stick. We had imposed on Burma over the years became a carrot that we could offer if you release political prisoners, we could relax the sanction if you schedule free elections for part of your parliament, we will drop these sanctions and so on and so on if we had not impose those sanctions, we would have had very little to offer as carrots as the evolution. Of that country's democratic transition proceeded. Now, in many cases, we're not gonna have that kind of diplomatic processes, rob acknowledged even there. I think it's incredibly important to have a tool to fight impunity for the purpose of.

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"global magnitsky act" Discussed on KGO 810

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08:39 min | 3 years ago

"global magnitsky act" Discussed on KGO 810

"We choose to put in our bodies, shoes better. Now Thurston odd cagey? Oh, eight. Good evening. I'm Pat Thurston. John Rothman here in studio with me, and we are talking right now about Jeff Bezos. Who is of course, he's the founder of Amazon he was the richest man in the world until this divorce with his wife, which is probably gonna cut his worth in half. She's entitled to half of his worth at this point. They've been married for twenty five years, the National Enquirer and David pecker, Donald Trump and the Saudi Royal prince, oh and Jamaca Shoghi is a big part of this as well. Because of his brutal murder at the hands of the Saudis. Jeff Bezos implicitly charged on Thursday, the National Enquirer story, exposing his affair with Lauren. Sanchez was a political hit job, and that charge came as part of a statement that base os released accusing the inquires publisher of blackmail, and extortion, new you understand people Basil's went even further. He suggested that AM I the parent. Corporation for the National Enquirer might have published a story as a favor or at the direction of either Donald Trump or the Saudi Arabian government, or or all orchestrating together. And Trump has repeatedly made clear his his anger over this coverage of him in the Washington Post, which we remind you bays Ozone's. Meanwhile, David pecker is chairman has long been accused of using the inquirer for political purposes, which we know he did for Donald Trump. He did. So this becomes amazing embassy. Saudis today are furious furious and bazo. Suggested that Saudi Arabia might have been working against him behind the scenes AM. I has reportedly export business ties with Saudi Arabia, and actually, and you alluded to this Pat published a magazine a glossy magazine seven pages solely devoted to fawning coverage of Mohammed bin Salman crown prince, who I would point out is a close friend of Donald Trump from ender and Jared Kushner, very cool Kushner, this is amazing by the way, although the representatives of the Saudi embassy are not commenting on all this the Saudi government is and they are furious. They are blasting away, and we need to be aware that this is a growing scandal. Now, here's the point the president is in violation of the law of the global Magnitsky act. And that means that well has the ranking democrat, Mr. Senator Menendez said. The president has no discretion here. He's either complying with the law or breaking it, right? The conclusion is by postponing by saying he will not meet the Senate deadline on the kashogi killing the president of the United States is in defiance of long. What is it? The president has even stated he's waiting for. I don't think he has made any cogent argument that would justify not doing something in response to his obligations under the law. I think what he is saying, and it's very interesting is that he isn't obligated because he has to make foreign policy and the president maintains his discretion to decline the act on congressional committees requests is appropriate because it wouldn't interfere with our foreign policy. Now last year the CIA overwhelmingly implicated of the crown prince of the murder. Soman as you pointed out in two thousand seventeen also threatening. He would use a bullet kashogi if he didn't return to Saudi Arabia and stop criticizing the country's government. And by the way, the New York Times talked about that on Thursday, the Saudi foreign minister, oddball on went on Friday wouldn't have thought comment on the times reports saying he cannot comment on articles based on anonymous sources, but I want you to know the crown prince they maintain was not involved with the show he's killing. But we know we know that he was right. So this be the United Nations has now made that determination Turkey has made. That determination our intelligences have made that determination and Donald Trump refuses to act, according to the global Magnitsky act under which he is required to act when there is a state that is perpetrating human rights abuses, and he has been ordered to do. So by the congress of the United States and the congress. Is not going to sit idly by while he completely ignores this there are so many tentacles to this story and not the least of which is the special prosecutor's office. You know, they're looking at the potential for a true blackmail attempt. And so that's one of the questions that I have for the listeners to is it blackmail. If you say to somebody that either you do this or we're going to release something that's damaging about you. But if you do what we ask you to do then we won't release that information, but we're going to hold onto that information. Just in case in the future. You do something. We don't like. And then we're gonna pull that stuff out. We're going to release it that's blackmail. I think by definition that is blackmail. It's not a valid business arrangement that should put them in jail. Now, Margaret Brennan who is the hostess of face the nation asked the foreign minister of Saudi Arabia about this in an interview. That's going to be broadcast on Sunday. And the comment is very interesting because the Saudi foreign minister says they absolutely did not have any involvement in the revealing of Bezos private messages and photos to the National Enquirer tabloid, Margaret Brennan. Said this sounds to me like a soap opera, I've been watching it on television and reading about in the paper. There is something between parties we have nothing to do with Saudi foreign minister, and this all will be aired on Sunday on face the nation. And I'm telling you, I'm going to be absolutely glued to it in an extraordinary public statement posted to medium on Thursday. This is important for people to know, and you can Google it Baso said an investigation he directed into how the Enquirer obtain private messages he exchanged with Lauren Sanchez. With whom he was reportedly having a fair had angered David pecker who owns the Enquirer in part because and listen to this the Saudi angle seems to hit a particularly sensitive nerve. What is the connection base os has reported that pecker was looking for a business opportunities in Saudi Arabia? And so I would point out has the Trump organization right close cooperation is really something. I think Packers going to be the next one that we're going to see an indictment brought in on in a statement released Friday AM, I defended its proposal to publish a nude photo of basis and other private pictures. If bazo did not end his counter investigation of the company. Why is there such fear because Donald Trump and his administration have insisted despite the kashogi killing on maintaining ties with Saudi Arabia, and the fact that the president on Friday missed this deadline. Imposed by a bipartisan group of senators right to identify kashogi killers and determine if the US should impose sanctions is in defiance of American law. And by the way, top Saudi officials to this day characterized kashogi staff as a rogue action was carried out without the knowledge of the crown principal. And if you believe that Pat, I have a bridge. I'd like to study amid out a goal. It's so ridiculous. But there's one other thing we should be considering to why was a David pecker apoplectic about basis trying to find out how he got those private text messages. It's not an easy thing to do to get somebody's private text messages. How did he accomplish that? Did he somehow use the office of the presidency? Did he somehow use government resources in order to be able to get that kind of information, which would be obtainable by certain federal law enforcement entities? I mean, I don't know that but could that be a link here? That was causing David pecker to freak out. Listen, I had you have to take one more break. And I promise you stay on hold. We'll get your phone calls as soon as we.

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"global magnitsky act" Discussed on KGO 810

KGO 810

11:14 min | 3 years ago

"global magnitsky act" Discussed on KGO 810

"Good evening. I'm Pat Thurston. And in studio with me, it's Mr John Rothman. Hey, john. How are you? There is no place. I would rather be than right here with you on G. Night. And I'm so glad you're here. John because we do have an exciting night. And I think what we're going to do here because there are so many tentacles to this. We're going to begin with Jeff Bezos is extortion claim this. This is a big story that broke this week. And we're going to try to untangle this and understand where some of this potentially leads both for a I am for Donald Trump as it relates to all of this. So the he's the CEO of Amazon, and he also now owns the Washington Post. Jeff Bezos, he on Thursday. He published a letter that the National Enquirer the who is the let's say the parent company is American media Inc. So AM I sent this letter to Jeff Bezos, and it is absolutely incredible. This is a letter where they talk they they tell him they threaten him. They say that they are going to publish. These racy images of him and his love interest Lawrence Sanchez in exchange for statements that would say that their investigation. And there's is the Washington Post investigation are I'm sorry. Yeah. The Washington Post investigation into a is investigation of Jeff Bezos, and his extramarital affair that. It was not politically motivated and Jeff bass oh said rather than capitulate to extortion and blackmail. I've decided to publish exactly what they sent me despite the personal cost and embarrassment they threaten. So here's what happened in January Jeff bass house and his wife announced that they were getting a divorce after twenty five years of marriage. They did not have a pre-nup John that makes her as a result of this divorce. She gets half that's gonna make her the richest woman in the world. And it's going to move him into the second richest person and Bill Gates is going to move back into the position of the richest man in the world. It was just a few days later that the Enquirer published a four month investigation that claim that Jeff Bezos was in a relationship with his former FOX L A TV anchor. She's now some kind of a pilot citing a series of text messages that they had shared after the story was published. A Baso said that he retained an investigator Gavin to Becker because he wanted to find out how the Enquirer got hold of his text messages. He hired this guy. He said he had known him for twenty years. He's an investigator. He said his expertise is excellent. He's very very smart. So what happened was after he he hired this investigator to figure out what exactly happened and how they came up with his personal text messages. That's when A m I contacted him, and they did it through an attorney representing the investigator, and they. They actually threatened him. They threatened him. And and it's in the the letter itself. The letter itself goes through the the entire the entirety of the images that they have. What was amazing was the Jeff Bezos didn't sit on this public with it? He said, I'm not going to be blackmailed right instead of submitting to it. He made it all public, and that's a big deal. One of the things he said is if I'm not able to fight this off who can Pat there is a real consideration here. And I want you to explain the relationship between Donald Trump and this whole operation. Oh, man. It is really something. Okay. So first of all AM, I says that this was not a blackmail attempt and I'll review portions of the letter momentarily, but they say it was not a blackmail attempt that it was just a business offer that it was totally legal. You see AM? I is in trouble. Am I am? And they may be in trouble with the special prosecutor, the special prosecutor offered an immunity from prosecution deal to AM. I am I provided them information about Michael Cohen and about the deals that Donald Trump entered into the what do they call them catch and kill deals where they were paying women off by telling them that their stories we're going to be published in the National Enquirer, and they had to sign an agreement that they wouldn't give their stories to anybody else at the national choir were would own these stories, then when they got the stories they just stuck them in a safe with no intention of ever publishing them. So AM I played a crucial role in this. And they work through Michael Cohen. And of course, Donald Trump and David pecker who's the head of the National Enquirer the head of AM. I they have a very very close relationship. They've known. They've known one another for decades and decades, and this relationship means that I has been involved in a lot of shady deals to protect Trump and his. Reputation. Trump hates the Washington Post because of their critical reporting of his campaign his administration, and then and basis alluded to this. They're Saudi Arabia. You see Jamal kashogi was a Washington Post. Reporter the Washington Post has been relentless in their investigative reporting of his murder at the hands of the Saudis AM, I has been working on deals in Saudi Arabia. There was a ninety seven page special magazine that saluted Saudi Arabia and the crown prince that they published about a year ago, the Saudi said they had no idea that this thing would be published. They knew nothing about it. But AP has recently reported that the Saudis had seen an approved of an advance copy. So every indication is they were sucking up to the Saudis because they wanted to get this deal. And because it was helping Donald Trump who also is a good friend. To the Saudis wants things out of the Saudis and Saudi Arabia and Trump and kashogi brings us to Khashoggi's murder in the Saudi embassy in Turkey, and let me just throw this in because I think it's very important today. President Donald Trump missed a deadline imposed by Bart partisan group of senators to identify the killers of Jamal kashogi. And you have to understand this has to do with whether the United States should impose sanctions on Saudi Arabia. Remember, the president is proposing a huge arms deal. The here's the kicker. A group of lawmakers led by Senator Bob Menendez democrat of New Jersey, Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, Patrick layhee, democratic Vermont and former Senator Bob corker last October. In a letter ordered the president ordered the president to identify the people behind kashogi Steph within one hundred and twenty days and decide whether impose sanctions on the killers. Now the letter was brought out under the global Vinci's act last year. I want to remind everybody by the way that the magnet the global Magnitsky act calls for punishment of state human rights abuses. So if there were human rights abuses that were caused by any particular state that's a violation of the Magnitsky act and congress has the duty to forward that to the president and demand action from it and the president declined. I mean, he didn't decline didn't respond. He didn't do anything. Well, let's be clear the last year, and we talk. Talked about it here on this program. Pat, the CIA intelligence overwhelmingly implicated the Saudi Crown prince Mohammad bin Salman, right in the plot to kill kashogi who would criticize the crown prince and members of the Royal family that by the way was reemphasized today. Now, here's the kicker. Menendez has issued a statement saying, and I want everyone to listen to this very carefully. The president has no discretion here. He's either complying with the law or breaking it. Yes. And we now know that Eliot Engel, the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee in a statement issued yesterday said that the president's refusal to respond to the lawmakers request is quote, again, making its disdain for congress constitutional authority abundantly clear with or without the statement went on with or without the administration's assistance. The foreign affairs committee will push for real accountability for the brutal murder of Jamal kashogi. And the administration's refusal to deal with this issue and keep congress informed underscores the need to get to the bottom of what is motivating the Trump foreign policy. This Pat is critical. The president is now in defiance of all that is clear. The president says it doesn't matter. He's going to do whatever he wants congress will have no alternative, but to hold the president accountable. And this goes to the heart of another question, whether or not the financial interests of the Saudi family have influenced the president's decisions, and we know it's already revealed that the Saudis paid exorbitantly overpriced amounts for properties owned by the president and have continued to do this continually. Well, the president's in office. So there is a serious question. Not just about Russia, which we can talk about forever. This has to do with Saudi Arabia. The Saudis today were furious, they issued denunciations and tweets and all the rest saying this is uncalled for we were sovereign nation. And I'm gonna tell you Pat, this is just the beginning. Yeah. It their sovereign nation. And that's kind of the point because under the Magnitsky act. This is an act that pertain specifically to the state. It is the state that is perpetrating these human rights violations and dismembering and murdering a guy in your embassy. I would say that's a human rights violation. Now. The United Nations has gotten involved in this. They have conducted their own investigation. The special rapporteurs preliminary report late Thursday, which was released followed a visit to Turkey. And this report sharply condemned Saudi actions before and after the murder apparently in Turkey itself. There was a court hearing on January thirty first that had not been disclosed previously in the case of eleven unnamed suspects that Saudi Arabia claims it is prosecuting for the murder, and what they have said what the report says is that the evidence presented to us during the mission to Turkey demonstrates prime facial case that Mr. kashogi was the victim of a brutal and premeditated planned and perpetrate. Excuse me. A premeditated killing planned and. Perpetrated by officials of the state of Saudi Arabia and others acting under the direction of these state agents, we need to take a break here. Four one five eight zero.

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"global magnitsky act" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

WBZ NewsRadio 1030

03:11 min | 3 years ago

"global magnitsky act" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

"Yellow best protester clash again in Paris. Scuffles have broken out between protesters and police. Consecutive weekend of demonstrations, the leading police to fire teargas dispersed the essential Paris's avenue. The end of this activists who motivated by rising fuel prices put hundreds of thousands on the streets over the boss. See moms. They're not trying to achieve electoral success with the move is. Politically divided appointed lead-up. I'm. A New York teenager is facing two years in state prison for posting praise for the Columbine school shooters police say the man was a high school senior in two thousand seventeen when he wrote on Instagram he envied the shooter's ammunition homemade knives and gone through all discovered in his basement. A new study is out to gain a better understanding of hangovers. Researchers set to find out if the type of alcohol and the order in which it is consumed would affect the intensity of hangover symptoms. It doesn't in a study published in the American journal of clinical nutrition ninety people were split into groups one drink two and a half pints of beer, followed by four large glasses of wine. The next group did the opposite the control group drank one or the other using a sophisticated metric the researchers found order of consumption had no effect on hangovers, although drunk participant reported feeling did they also noted that unpleasant hangovers have an important benefit to eight humans and changing their future behavior. Todd ant ABC news main lawmakers want to trade Columbus Day for a holiday honoring native Americans a hearing on the Bill supporting indigenous peoples day is set for Monday at least five states have done away with celebrating Christopher Columbus indifference to native Americans. The federal observance of Columbus Day remains in place. A blind date for two Tigers goes terribly wrong at a London zoo London zoo thought, it would be the match made in heaven. Winter brought over seem a male Sumatran tiger to mate with long-term resident Malati Sumatran Tigers are an endangered species and hopes were high arriving at the zoo in the last few days seem was described as a handsome confident cat known for being very affectionate. However from there, it was all downhill after being introduced, tension and aggression escalated into a violent fight and Malati was killed the zoo says it's trying to get us seem through this very difficult time. Larry Miller CBS news London. The Red Sox are scheduled to visit the White House on may ninth to celebrate their World Series victory outfielder Jackie Bradley, jR, says he doesn't get into politics, and he will not be attending. Mookie Betts, San Rafael, Devers, also have also said that they won't be making the White House trip, which was postponed until may do to the government shutdown. President Trump will not be informing the Senate on whether the White House believes Saudi Crown prince Mohammad bin Salman ordered the killing of Jamaica Shoghi, the president declined to act on the congressional. Quest friday. A bipartisan group of senators triggered the terms of the global Magnitsky act in October of last year, which requires the president to determine whether a foreign person was responsible for Khashoggi's death within one hundred twenty days..

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"global magnitsky act" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

WBZ NewsRadio 1030

02:39 min | 3 years ago

"global magnitsky act" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

"Some advice for other girls who may be afraid to play hockey or think, it's just a boys sport. They're just as good as the boys. And maybe even better rinse mom Bryanne says this is a golden opportunity for her daughter. She has no idea how hard these layers have worked to become Bruins players. She's going to go out there and skate on there is it'll be a lesson. I teach her over and over again as she gets older and Kim Tunnicliffe WBZ. Boston's News Radio black face has become the new face of racism in the United States Virginia. Governor Ralph northbound remains in office this morning, refusing to resign over a racist yearbook photo the photo show two men. One in black face one wearing a KKK hood north. And I said he was one of the people in the picture. And then said he wasn't Northam did admit to blackening his face during a costume party where he dressed as Michael Jackson Virginia's attorney general also admitted to wearing black face at an undergraduate party and Florida's secretary of state resigned. After a black face photo surfaced the twenty twenty race for the democratic nomination for president is heating up as more and more people jump in Senator Cory Booker made his first visit to Iowa Cincinnati his candidacy speaking in Cedar Rapids. Last night Booker condemned what he calls Twitter trolling and trash-talking calling. It a form of moral vandalism. We have politicians now that are trying to make us afraid of each other or pit us against each other. Some of the announced candidates are already visiting New Hampshire site of the nation's first primary New York Senator Kirsten gillibrand was there last weekend. Former housing secretary Hulu. Castro visited New Hampshire last month. And Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren will make her candidacy official this morning after announcing the formation of an exploratory committee on New Year's Eve, she will make her formal announcement in Lawrence at the Everett mills, Massachusetts, congresswoman, Joe Kennedy is expected to introduce an endorser for president WBZ. Boston's NewsRadio will be there. President Trump will not be informing the Senate on whether the White House believes Saudi Crown prince Mohammad bin Salman, ordered the killing of Jamal kashogi the president to climb to act on the congressional request Friday. A bipartisan group of US senators triggered the terms of the global Magnitsky act in October of last year, which requires the president to determine whether a foreign person was responsible for kashogi death within one hundred twenty days. President Trump has adamantly held to his relationship with Saudi Arabia and the crown prince it's seven twenty two..

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"global magnitsky act" Discussed on Mueller, She Wrote

Mueller, She Wrote

04:25 min | 3 years ago

"global magnitsky act" Discussed on Mueller, She Wrote

"He's the CEO of Hermitage Capital who in response to Magnitsky's murder lobbied, congress US congress to pass the Magnitsky act to punish human rights violators. Obama signed it into law and twenty twelve and in response. Putin band US adoptions of Russian children Putin also put together group of anti Magnitsky act lobbyists which included vessel at scion. And she pitched her tail to folks like Dana Rohrabacher who just recently lost his bid for congress. And he even she even brought her Magnitsky file to that June two thousand sixteen Trump Tower meeting and she also worked for the team defending present holdings who in a strange plot. Twist hired a firm to dig up dirt on its enemies, which included Bill Browder, and that firm was fusion GPS. And that's the same firm that Republicans and then Democrats hired to get up research on Trump. Also, the same firm that hired Christopher Steele who wrote the dossier. And that's why I think Republicans wouldn't stop asking about prep on holdings and testimony from witnesses involved in this case because they were trying to discredit that dossier. So this week vessel guy was indicted for obstructing Justice in the civil forfeiture case for the money laundering scheme, and she's charged with coordinating response with Kremlin officials to whitewash document filed with the court about. Prevot on holdings, and she got caught. So joining us today to discuss the indictment of veselnitskaya is the CEO of Hermitage Capital the architect of the global Magnitsky act and the author of red notice, please welcome Bill Browder Bill. Thanks for joining us on Muller. She wrote a great to be here. So I I know it's hard to sum up. But is that the story in a nutshell, did I miss any glaring obvious things that should be brought to light. Well, I'm actually working on my next book. And and it's going to be about four hundred pages to discuss that. So for you to be able to do that in three minutes is a big accomplishment. Thank you. It was really difficult. I remember watching your testimony July twenty seventeen and listening to the chilling story of of the capture and murder of Magnitsky. So yeah, it was tough to sum up there. But I did want to get your top line reaction this week on the indictment of vessel sky. Well, I I was delighted to see it. The tally vessel. Knits guy is a person who pushed every boundary and pushed beyond what was legal in many places in order to do the Kremlin's bidding. And and we saw her cheating in the US case in which the US department of Justice was prosecuting her client presume, and she was cheating. And this is where it gets interesting is that in order for the US prosecute prep resume. They wanted to get documents through what's called a mutual legal assistance request from the Russian government. And so the United States government asked the Russian government for documents to prove the case. And what happened then was that the tally of vessels sky, effectively goes into the office of the Russian government where where she's agent of the Russian government. Instead of the Russian government replying to the department of Justice, the tally vessel midst guy replies. To the department of Justice. And she says we're not going to give you those documents. And then she makes a fake story about how me and Sergei were the ones that did the crime that her client was accused of and what makes the story. So fascinating is that the US department of Justice got hold of her emails and got hold of documents of word documents with properties in track changes that show that she was the one editing documents replying from the Russian government, the US government. And so she got caught red-handed, and it's it's it's very satisfying to watch her again indicted and into watch her squirm, and and and make all these crazy comments after being indicted by the US government. Yeah. Exactly. And it does actually give a proof that she is connected to the Kremlin pretty strongly. And I also wanted to ask you, do you know of any of the Prevot on real estate deal. In New York were in any way connected to Trump or anyone in his family like Kushner? Well, there's a sort of they're sort of connected in very obtuse way. The the only way I can say they're connected is that presumed bought a bunch of properties from a company called ASI..

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