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Del. Glenn Davis and Matt Colt Hall: GOPalooza Extravaganza

Transition Virginia

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Del. Glenn Davis and Matt Colt Hall: GOPalooza Extravaganza

"Welcome to Transition Virginia. The podcast that examines the transition of power from Republican to Democrat name is Michael. Pope and I'm joined via skype with our co host. Thomas Bowman. How're you doing Thomas? I am well Mike on very happy to say that how are you? I am also well as a matter of fact doing great because we have an amazing panel today a panel of Republicans A- panel. I like to call Republican Palooza. Thomas I know you have a different name for this. What do you call in our panel today? I have called it the Republican Extravaganza. Gop Extravaganza so we have delegate. Glenn Davis of Virginia Beach. Thanks for joining us. Delegate Dave thanks for having me appreciate the opportunity loved his show and Miss Richard but I'll get him some mess but later. Yeah well we're missing. Richard crouse our regular Republican contributor. Hopefully he'll join us some time to. We are also joined though by a senior contributor to the Republican blog Berry Drift Matt. Tall Matt thanks for joining us. I'm so glad to be on literally since the first episode like please let me on. Finally I guess. Join this conversation at. I am so excited that my head to explode but thank you thank you. Thank you for letting me on. Especially with my good friend. Delegates Davis who I respect and think the world and I'm excited to have the compensation hope your head doesn't explode because we have the PODCAST RECORD. So let's get right into the theme of our podcast as listeners. Know is the transition of power. Republicans have been in charge in the General Assembly for two decades. Now Democrats are in charge and they've got the TRIFECTA 'cause they also have the governor all the statewide so Delegate Davis let's start with you You spent most all of your time until recently in the majority what is it like to suddenly find yourself in the minority an afterthought and don't really have much to do. You don't have much power. What has the transition been like for you. it's definitely different. You know It's not the first time that I've been in this body in the minority. I was McDonald's aid in the mid ninety S in braggers aid in the early nineties when the Democrats had I think sixty six and the Republicans had thirty so I remember what it was like. A scene others go through it. It's not that bad back then. Never Mind Republicans being scared of Tom. Austin Dick Campbell. Democrats were scared at Tom. Watson dickey while so It was definitely a little bit more heavy handed There is still a era of working together. as there was when the Republicans were in the majority but it is different You know to sit there and see really bad. Bills come in front of you in subcommittee and Committee in other darn thing you can do about. It is really tough I didn't sign up to be in the minority. I signed up to continue moving Virginia forward on helping Virginians and This was a little bit different die. You really couldn't get lead was playing defense knowing that it almost didn't matter and you just have to pray when things got to the Senate can I ask. Glenn was the three bill thing that Dickie cranwell did. I know there was a big conversation in the Susan's Schweiker episode about the next three bills get killed. Was that a thing back in the day. Like I WANNA know because Susan said it was not it was B S. I want to know. Is that real so? I don't know I heard this rumor says well. I don't know if it was up to three things it would not surprise me And it would not surprise me if there is a lot more things behind the scenes. But Yeah you you did not take on. Dickey cranwell back in those days Republican or Democrat. So just for the record. I spent some time looking at this and speaker. Howell told me that he personally witnessed. This happened with the three fingers. Kirk Cox told me that he personally witnessed this happened. They actually saw it happen. So there I witnesses to it. I also interviewed Dickey cranwell and he denied it so Susan's Wecker also denied it so We actually have totally divergent opinions about reality here in terms of whether it happened or not. So delegate Davis. You're not an eyewitness to this I take it. I am not. I was an aid and we did not have streaming back. Then do not have Internet back then. so Did Not have a chance to witnesses witness it but definitely heard stories so. I didn't realize that you are around us an aid for the Dickie Cranwell era so talk about what the old school Democrats were like when they were in the majority. Oh it was. It was extremely heavy handed. And you could get away with that. I guess back in those days because things were strained in powerplays didn't become public till well after session even at that you know it. It definitely obviously was not a ratio of seats on committees. Like there's now based on your ratio in the house or the Senate there were some Republicans. I believe there was a few. That didn't even have committees so Wouldn't make sure that we understand what we're talking about here with the ratio so when the old school Democrats were empower. They loaded up their committees with Democrats and there were way more. Democrats on the committee's than Republicans and that did not reflect the ratio in the overall house explained what that actually looked like and what that meant. That just meant that. There was an overwhelming majority of Democrats on the community to make sure that whatever that agenda was that year could get through it ensured that Republicans were not on certain. You know on committees that could benefit them There were penalties for a certain things and it was definitely more reflective of to the winner goes to spoils much more so than exists today. So that's something definitely that also politics that you hear about back in those days and I've also heard stories about bill's being sent to committees. That literally never met like they didn't exist and so when you sent them to. The committee just died And then also the Democrats would have these committee. The Old School Democrats. Have these committee meetings. That went very very late into the night like one. Am and the chairman would say to this freshman Republican Sorry Dude we're not going to hear your bill you know it's like it's am you've been sitting there for like six or seven hours and they're not even going to listen to the bill right. Oh yeah and so a powerplay that thin. I'll give you a story for one. Legislator worked with That he ran on elected school boards and he was in the committee. Obviously this was a freshman legislator they were not gonNa let him get something like this out. The bill comes up the bill dies. You know once again. This is prior to cell phones right. So you're not texting your legislative. You're running pages all over the place with notes trying to get the legislature so the bills that had voted on were voted Onto Democrats. And you know a number of Democrats and Republicans left that committee to go to another committee. They had someone run around. Bring the Republicans back. Moved the reconsider that bill reconsidered? It voted it back to committee and all of a sudden. That's how that bill to the floor. Job That legislator was immediately. Brought up to the speaker's office and told that that bill is not going anywhere and next year. Democrats going to put that bill gear the bill and it will pass and that's what transpired so that was the definition of power play back in those days. Those kinds of stories are just completely fascinating to me because I got to serve as an aide win. The house stems were in the minority and I cannot conceive of that much organization coming out of that caucus We all the impression seems to be that the Republican Party when they were in the majority just had Just the complete working knowledge of the rules could run circles around the the Democratic Caucus at least in the house you know the Senate is always different But it didn't matter what we tried. You guys were better at it than we were as Democrats and how I watch from the outside the Democratic Caucus now have to govern I see the manifestation of a lot of the arguments and discussions that had behind the scene. Start to play out in their own way on the floor right so There's a big fight in the caucus on the redistricting amendment right and that goes onto the floor Some of the Labor bills on minimum wage winds up on the floor having a fight right and these are things that boil over quietly from behind the caucus closed caucus door meetings. That they can't resolve right. So how do you compare the current Democratic Caucus which arguably is still just you know getting at sea legs under it to the Republican caucus when they were in the majority and if you can step back and just how would you rate speaker Filler corn? Compared to you know Tom Moss and and some of the other democratic speakers you were around for well I mean so. I was only around for Tom. Moss and keep in mind that when the Democrats majority when I was in aid They had been in the majority for decades just like the Republicans were when I was elected. Right I mean. That was a time of Thomas. Sticky cranwell hundred Andrews. Amin and that party had been in charge. You know in power for decades so they had it down to a science move forward to may be elected in twenty thirteen and being seated in fourteen and the Republicans had been in the majority for a couple of decades right. You I mean that that doesn't that organization that discipline doesn't happen in one year or two years. It happens over time It fast forward to this year. I think there's two things that impacted the efficiency of of the House of delegates this year Was there is a learning curve. I mean when a new party takes over for the first time in decades. There's going to be that learning curve. The second thing is so many members of the Democrat Party were young New Right. I mean what up half of the Party I think of their caucus was elected in the last four years. So you have subcommittee chairs with two years their belt. And it's not that it's a new person becoming a subcommittee chair because a funeral thing about bringing no. I really don't care about seniority. But it's having the experience of sitting there and watching different unique circumstances come in the play and how to handle them and a lot of cheers have didn't have that experience of seeing that type of stuff occur prior so when it occurred with them they kind of you know had been through a couple of times as a watching so. I think that's part of the equation. The second thing is over the course of the elections that I have seen as a member of the House of delegates when we were in the majority we never had a influx of new members of the caucus that had a ideological difference with the existing members right and all of a sudden now. I would say that you've got almost half a caucus that fundamentally disagrees maybe with that existing group of of caucus members that had been there and the fights that are probably haven't happening in caucus are boiling over onto floor. A little bit and part of. It's because it's not just a few people that may disagree pockets. It's almost half the caucus. I've always said the job of a speaker is extremely difficult because not only do they preside over the whole house of delegates but their job is really to prevent a mutiny inside their own caucus and in many of the the a big issues that we dealt with in the majority now the other party is dealing with a majority so I think that is a new more on display than now matt. I'd love to get your perspective as a senior contributor for bearing drift looking at Richmond. Looking at what happened this year. What has the transition been like for you. So I think about when I'm hearing this conversation with Glenn I think about the old days and I think about when we when you know. I think about when Vance Wilkins took charge the majority when I was like a kid and I hear the old stories from my dear friend. Morgan Griffith about when Vance Wilkins and Morgan Griffith ran that house. The delegates like it was clockwork and it was just switched watch expertise. And we've gone from that to Vance. Wilkins had problems. He got acid. You know and then we go to bill and Kirk Cox Cox is an amazing man and then now we're at Eileen and sometimes I just like I sit back end. This whole rules fight just. I'm watching that unfold and I'm sitting at my work computer. I don't work in politics. Politics is my hobby as I'm sending work computer reading the rich and times this fashion Virginia Mercury and like the Bungling of the rules. And they they don't have the committee assignments out and like everything's in chaos and a text. My buddies down there that are L. A.'s and stuff and I'm like what is going on. Where is where is the organization because Wink Kirk Cox ran the house when Bill especially when bill? How're in it? There was execution Swish Watch perfection. And then we get over Arlene. Lean and we get Shirley hearing and I was watching this year as the conference. Kennedy's were debating well into the night on a Saturday night. They have sent it off well into the night eleven pm. Eleven thirty and I'm just sitting there with a glass of wine. Like what are they doing like an? And that's that's the thing I've noticed is just the absolute you know going from where you know. When I started in politics. It was Bill Hal as speaker of the House. And you know and then you go into Kirk Cox and Kirk is very well educated man and then we go into I lean and not say she's not educated but just felt like this organization and it felt like everybody was everything was on fire. And everybody's running around like crazy delegate Davis maybe you can provide some insight onto this. My guess is the outgoing. Republican majority probably didn't do too many administrative favors for the incoming Democratic majority would that maybe contribute to some of the confusion at the very beginning of session. Well we we weren't given a chance I mean. Here's the tough part for speaker. Philip Gordon. Coming in You Know I. I've worked with her on committees and I think very highly of her and she has done you know a a lot of things this year and has a very tough roll but walking in the door. The people that had the institutional knowledge of how to run that like clockwork You know our clerk immediately is replaced. Now is political position. I understand that you know she probably would have been run up the five head. She kept them I understand that he he knew it was political literally reached out to her and said. I understand you know. I can't stay in nothing. I you know. It was extremely professional in the transition. But when you don't have the individuals that have been tasked with for a long time running that body efficiently from an administrative perspective. You'RE GONNA lose that flow and I think that's what happened I think our our president clerk is very capable but when you replace the clerk and the speaker and the majority all at one time like I said there's that learning curve and then you take another level one thing. I had never seen in my time in the Virginia House is so many complete substitutes of legislation in full committee or on the floor. I mean I've got one of the biggest bills coming to us And on the floor and it's a substitute and were expected to understand it and roll with the same day. I've got a problem. Can you explain that real quick? Why is it significant that these bills come out not as substitutes but as vetted committee substitutes? Maybe not floor substitute sure so Virginia. It deals with ticket on two thousand bills. I don't know what the final number was this year over. Three thousand bills now in with this was a sixty day session. So that's a ton of bills and We have crossover right so the majority those bills start on the House. Side and halfway through thirty days were expected to get through all these bills and we have their in that. Obviously this year thirty days in we have a very efficient committee process. Every bill comes in it goes to subcommittee at that point. Those of us on that subcommittee will be read. The bill when you're standing bill The public is to testify. There's should be. We can talk about. This later. Should be robust discussion about that. Bill If there's some changes or substitutes that happens there if it passes out of subcommittee goes to full committee if it doesn't instead thrust of the year don't hear about it again. It goes to full committee unlike subcommittee that has seven of us Commute about twenty. And once again robust discussion you may see some amendments or substitution in full committee. And that's fine. It's still gives us that chance to bet it all out. And then it goes to the floor for full discussion and in many cases I'll give you an example courts of justice in years past. I'm not an attorney by trade if I knew that. Have Bill came out of courts of justice that survey when he was a delegate if I had albo and servile and bell all you know supporting that bill. I knew this is probably a good deal for Julia and get A. You know a bipartisan agreement. On their bills for example written amazing job on a very large piece of legislation Regarding energy policy this year but that was one of those bills that it was. I mean almost. It would be substituted out on the floor. Big changes to clean energy economy. Act Was the Anti-discrimination bill that was coming through. I mean that hits the floor on a substitute and that bill. We weren't allowed to take by for the day so we had a chance to go through it and were forced to literally and has a floor substitute of all things so those we don't get to see in the dance right. It gets filed it up perhaps nations with. I had this year being a quick system. That is assistant. We see these things on so it hits were voting on all these bills trying to keep up with all these other votes. The outing one you know gets passed by temporarily still not time to actually go through it. All in there were expected to take a vote on. That's not it's still provides an efficient process but that is not a process that allows Proper due diligence of legislation In that's not. I think what her body was meant to how we met the process We have a committee system for reason and the expectation is when a bill hits the floor if there are changes they're small they're minor and they're easily understandable on how the impact other parts of the legislation not robust substitutes. However you know one part of this process that has received some criticism is the conference committee. We've actually talked about this on the podcast. There are a lot of changes that are made at the very last minute in conference committee and lawmakers have very little chance to look at those changes a really good example of this is last year. Wendy redistricting and then they came forward. There was all kinds of stuff and the conference committee version of that Bill. That was not in the earlier versions right so I hear what you're saying about the committee's having the chance to things and you had very little time to look at the floor substitutes but the other side of that argument is looking down the time line. Eventually you're handed a conference report that you have very little time to look at right. Well so the redistricting bill. I don't remember having that many changes because if you remember if you look at the introduce language in the Senate bill and which is very different than the introduced language in the House Republican Bill Right. I mean so. The language that was passed last year was written by House. Dis All the Senate by caucus members. I think were CO patrons on that bill is significantly. That was the bill that allowed the eight and eight are bill in. The House prevented any legislator from serving on District District Committee which is kind of ironic discussions this year So what happened was we ended up adopting being forced to adopt via the Senate and House. Tease the Senate language which wasn't new to us because that came over prior year. So yes it is It was changed significantly from the House version but we already seen that language because almost all already in the Senate bill. The stuff that happened this year was out of the blue. It wasn't a you know a bill being amended to look like the Senate bill. It was flat out brand new language. The other really big thing that happened. This year was the gun. Day protests and which more or less. Shut down the General Assembly or felt like at shut down the journal clear. You guys still did your business. But from the public's perspective It was hard to move around Do you think the Democrats played this right? Where they from their perspective did all the low hanging fruit in year. One and they'll come back and do civil liability in the future or do you think that. Democrats made a huge mistake here by poking a Hornet's nest with the gun right's activist community. Oh I think that they messed up and not just because of that. It is poorly written legislation. I think I've seen which is why some stuff got dead in the Senate and why some stuff got changed. I mean you know there's a reason why Levine's bill childhood childhood against it because he looked at the language and realized the problems that it was going to happen when you have begun bill written by people that don't understand firearms you kind of have a problem and a whole bunch of unintended consequences. I mean look at the look at the bill to That changed or increase penalties To one the five years in prison for recklessly Having a firearm around someone under the age of eighteen that could endanger life or limb. And there's a reason why that God bill to the Senate. They decrease those penalties as much as I possibly could save realized. Oh my God is the most ambitious language we've ever seen granted that language exists today. But it's the two hundred fifty dollars penalty not one to five years in prison Goto the background. Check Bill. Where it actually is so in the status quo today you do not have to disclose If you have been under a temporary detention order and subsequently go to voluntarily a mission for help for mental illness you don't have to disclose that today now. We can argue whether you should or shouldn't but when you put that in the new bill and now someone realizes if I go for temporary help it's going to prevent me from getting a firearm down the road my family. We've just given a reason for people not to see help. Tell me that was a piece to having that background bill. So the overreach was astronomical. I thought we were going to have discussions philosophical discussions on firearms this year and and policies. We didn't need to give me a piece of legislation. Written that was written. Would that was not written poorly with a lot of unintended consequences. You're not gonNA find one I would love to hear both of your perspectives on this past election and the influence or not influenced guns had on that election so leading into that election. There was that special session. The governor called lawmakers to Richmond and the Republican leadership made the determination that nothing was gonna come out of that special session. Was that a mistake. I think that there needed to be more robust discussion. I remember walking the district go into events and so many voters Republicans. Moderate Democrats were stuck between two false choices. They didn't like the policies that Democrats were talking about but they also didn't like the fact that Republicans wouldn't even have the conversation. And that's the quagmire that I think we found ourselves in China. I found myself in trying to explain as I was needing the voters during the election. I will speak up and say that one of the bravest souls during the special session. We're sitting on that podcast with Glenn Davis. Because he was one of the few and one of the very few. There was a minority of Republican. Legislators who said we'll maybe there is a solution and then all of a sudden Todd Gilbert who I not the biggest fan of decides okay. We're just GONNA turn it and call today. Boom there were done. We can't tell people who have real problems and I mean my name's Colt because my dad loves Cole Pistols. We love guns and our family either. That is not alive named Mathew Cole Hall because of Cult. But we have to show them that we have a vision and we have an ability to talk about these issues and care and show compassion and todd. Gilbert Cox. Love hate them. Whatever didn't show a vision. And they just said we don't care we're only doing the NRA's bidding band session done. When I was just saying I'd point out that there's probably a difference in the politics between suburban voters in rural voters When it comes to firearms in in rural Virginia at least it's often a way of life with hunting and all the family Traditions that go on with that Or even just target shooting. You don't have to be hunting right. There's nothing wrong with shooting at a bucket or something like that in the backyard. If you've got enough space on your property for it But then in the suburbs dialogue is well you know. I don't want my kid to get shot at school Can you guys just like keep the guns at home right so I think there's a difference clearly in the suburban vote which used to be reliably Republican. And you're now seeing the rise of the suburban women voting for Democrats because there's like eighty percent at least at the Virginia electorate agreed at least during the campaign with the democratic. Talking points around guns on that issue but but but the word that you said that so important is dialogue. Show me where the dialogue was. Even I I've always believed that you don't necessarily get support and respect someone agrees with you. You get support respect because you show up you willing to have the conversations you will explain why you feel the way you do and I think that's where a lot of this was missed. You're right I mean I remember one of the most interesting debates oversaw as an aide was the whole concept of of bringing a rifle the school. I mean I've been go. Legislators in the urban area sat back and the Republicans Democrats in southwest just had added. You know for an hour on the floor so but there was that dialogue and I think that's what we miss like. I said I I think a lot of bitter false choice and I think that's evident now if you look at the number of firearms being sold today and even the interviews. The media has done with people that said I I you know. I wasn't really kind of pro gun. I never thought I own a gun. But given what's going on there at the stores right now you know buying a firearm for the protection of their family. And you don't tell me that those are not the people that would also be willing to sit down and engage in a dialogue on the. What if scenarios? But you know you can only put your San so far and say we're not gonNA talk about it on an issue that people talk about around the kitchen table and don't think it's GonNa come back and blow up in your face. Give us an alternative scenario for what should have happened or could have happened and that special session. So I'm hearing some second guessing here of Speaker Cox and leader Gilbert that. They dug their heels into the sand and said No. We're not going to have this discussion. They shut it down so there was no discussion. Walk US through an alternative scenario where there was discussion. What if anything could happen in special session? Well look I don't like the plate Oncho Quebec and I have tremendous respect for your costs. I am when I was an aid. I think he was a great speaker. We disagree on some things but I mean I disagree with my wife. Something so But an amazing man and I think they were making the decisions. They thought most appropriate For Virginia and for a party at that time and obviously I wasn't privy to those conversations around such tables but I do believe that there was an example Jason Miatas. I thought had a very unique take on a piece of legislation that was it was not a red flag bill but it helped solve the due diligence piece or the due process piece on that which is what ever. Republican has a process with right. Don't take away my rights before I have my day in court and Jason was getting to that and and Jason is probably the most pro second amendment people. You'RE GONNA find. I'm one you know but let that play out. Let that dialogue play out. Let's you know. Let's start betting that legislation. Maybe there's still some piece that needed to change but that didn't happen. There were some good bills put in That I think needed to afford to have the dialogue to spend more time and perception is reality right. It doesn't matter whether we had robust discussion. Didn't what the public perceived is that we went up. We introduced bills and I will tell you we did the right thing on that first day because you cannot so was. I forgot how many bills were dropped for that special session. Some of them dropped within twenty four hours by that special session and two for the Democrats to come after us because we refused to vote on those bills. Give me a break. Were them was levine's assault weapons ban that the Democrats in the Senate didn't vote for this. She of it right so give me time to vet these bills and make sure that they understand what the heck they're doing but then yes let's come back. West had this robust discussions. And let's make sure it's done in a manner that the public perceives that we were having that because whether it did or didn't that wasn't their perception I would also point out as a democratic strategist policies that punish the end user. Tend to not be very popular with your voters in the long term. Election Cycle to election cycle is one thing but you know there are long term trends to consider here and it might be a better strategy if I were advising the Democratic majority now to consider going after the manufacturers and availability of firearms and that stuff and just like when drugs are on the street. People are gonNA use drugs when guns are on the street. People are gonNA use guns And now you have the unintended consequence With the red flag law that generally of course I support. I'm a good Democrat But I would point out that with now you could have several hundred thousand to millions of people die here in just the next few weeks and there is going to be a lot of mental health strain on Americans around the country. You don't want to disincentivize people to get the help and treatment that they need. You also don't want to have necessarily guns in those situations either. Which is why I say you want to go after the manufacturers you know we can have smart bio triggers an imprint. If you if we wanted to take public policy in that direction punishing the end user can only get you so far as a party in my opinion piggybacking on that Thomas. One of my colleagues mallory no pain with. Btf Did a really interesting report where she talked to some experts about the difference between going after hardware and banning hardware versus banning transactions and domestic relations and and basically a lot of the experts that she talked to said anytime you ban something. It just does not work. You don't get the end result that you want. Whereas if you go after transactions or who develop of stuff or you know domestic relations or like that say much more effective way of changing behavior versus banning assault weapons or banning bump stocks which typically does not have the result that you would look for so it's better to ban them by preventing someone from manufacturing them or decreasing supply. Because I still think that backfires on you as well I mean I think the public is very keen to see right through that and not only that I would tell you that I I think the gun manufacturers behind closed doors may not mind it. I mean the lower the supply the higher demand the higher. The price hell you. You're building their business model for well. That's a good thing to think about. Let's take a break here. We're GONNA come back and grand a real interesting dialogue about the history of the Virginia. Gop and their convention verse Primary Debate that they tend to go through every cycle. It seems like and then after that we'll come back and talk about Donald Trump's effect on the Virginia Republican Party to stay with us And we're back with transition. Virginia Republican lose Gop Extravaganza whatever you WANNA call it with our panel of Republicans here delegate. Glint Davis and senior contributor to bury drift bad cold. Paul without last segment. Colt is from a gun. So there's that Let's talk about conventions versus Republican. Seem to have this debate every election cycle which is every year about whether they're candidates or have a primary to choose their candidates and this is a debate. Obviously that goes back many years. Let's start with that because I know you've got some very strong feelings about this. Is it a problem that Republicans had this fixation with conventions? This and I'm going to swear just deal with this shit. Keeps me up at night like I? I hate to admit it but this shit keeps me up at night because we have it literally governs every party leadership position out there and it's been that way forever as long as I've been in the party that if you WANNA run for. Party leadership the first question out of their mouth. If you're running is are you primary or you convention and they will base their whole opinion on you if your primary or if you're convention and we're famous as Virginia Republicans for our conventions. I mean if you read Frank Atkinson's books and they talk about nineteen seventy eight. When John Warner ran against Dick Open chain? That was high level. Political debate in that convention went on in two to three four. Am in the morning because it was a strategy by Warner to get open chains delegates and this is all in Frank Atkinson. Both for McGuire. Woods Warner was doing it to try. John Warner not mark. John Warner was trying to get open. Shane's delegates to leave because it was a Saturday evening and they would leave if you go to church on Sunday morning and that and that goes into we're still having those fights about primary versus convention and to this day and even right now in twenty twenty. We're having our leadership elections in the Republican Party. Virginia and the very first question out of people's mouth is primary versus convention delegates. Are you primarily or convention? There was a great book written not that long ago called the wisdom of Crowds. The more people that make a decision. The better that decision probably is and so I'm a primary person because that's what I believe. It can't be a minority that make a decision for leadership. It also shouldn't be a group that fits a certain I guess demographic or is set of people those so those that have large families that are busier. Sometimes have or those that are more distant. I South West. Virginia Sometimes have a harder time getting at the conventions on my side of the state Our military obviously should be heavily involved in allowed to participate which is hard in the convention as opposed to a primary many cases But I've always believed there's a value in in the larger. The crowd that participates and that always happens in a primary over a convention. Well let's talk about one particular convention that I find particularly fascinating. The two thousand thirteen conventional leading into this It was can. The Republican candidates for governor were Cancun Ellie. And a former Lieutenant Governor Bill bolling bowling one of the primary. Kucha wanted a convention and so the leadership of the party ended up going with the convention it was viewed by some people as hostile takeover of the party. Bowling dropped out so by the time the convention actually happened at the Coliseum in Richmond Cuccia. Elliot's sort of the unopposed candidate for governor. But then you had this bizarre wild primary for Lieutenant Governor that had many candidates and the guy that emerged out of that was w Jackson that Colt Hall talk about the two thousand thirteen convention. And what that says about what happens when you have a convention so I was a part of that. I was helping out my good friend Pete Snyder when he was running for Lieutenant Governor Ed It was insane because you had so it started way back in about two thousand twelve. There was coochy. Nellie and bowling and Kuch does a hostile takeover to steal a business term all the state Central Committee of the Republican Party Virginia literally sweeping out of those low hanging fruit of the state central committee and then they immediately switch it from a Republican primary for Governor to a Republican convention at Raucus Republican convention. What happens is bowling drops out? Then we have a seven way convention fight for Lieutenant Governor which include some big names if you think about back in the day it was Scotland. Filter was in that fight Jean Marie Davis Tom. Davis's wife and State. Senator was in that fight too You had Susan Simpson. From the Stafford County Board supervisors you had and then all of a sudden and corey sewer at the time West Africa and Steve Martin So we had a lot of people in that fight and then all of a sudden we get to the convention hall and there's a two way race for attorney general that year it was raw bill and Markova chain. And it's literally if you're a Republican picking between like you know Rob Bell and Markova chain is like picking you know an out ear mercedes-benz. They're both good cars. They're both great. It's just your personal preference. I thought you were GONNA say choosing between the Electric Chair and lethal injection. Larkin robber our good friends of mine I would. I love both I was a mark guy so we get to the convention and all those delegates vote on ballot. One ballot one takes place in one. Pm We get to ballot to rob bell gets kicked out. And E W Jackson comes along and he has made this fiery speech and all of his people have these little and it sounds so stupid now to think of it. They had those little candles that you get at Christmas time. That had the little plastic light in them. And it's like let liberty light the way and everybody's holding up candles in dark calc- of and all those delegates who came to vote for rob bill will now. They're sitting there and they have nothing else to do so they're like well fuck it. Let's vote through. W because he made a good speech and then you have to channel and E W who are the farthest right? We have ever been as party Let let's be real. E W STEWART. Until Corey Stewart. Let I stand corrected not to be outdone. Dodd blessing. I mean this as we would say down South West. Virginia bless your heart. If you told me that somebody could run to the right of bill bolling like a year before it happened. I would have laughed. You out of the room. Oh my God and he was called the Hanover Hunt He. Let's remember that bill bolling used to be called the Hanover Hon. Because he was so damn conservative and then we go from the hand over hand to now. He's this rhino establishment big government loser and we can't talk to him anymore which was not my opinion. That was the opinion of the kitchen l. e. people and it was like you know we went. We had this weird like and I. I couldn't understand it. I as a young operative. I did not understand bill. Bolling was a strong conservative and all of a sudden he's not anymore. It's it's almost like to bring up my good friend. Mark Open chain you know. Mark Open chain is considered the establishment. Now and I literally go. I literally look at these people. And they said Marco can change the establishment. I go what the hell are you talking about? He started the conservative caucus in the Virginia Senate with Cancun L. And now you're GONNA call him the establishment. What it like I would like the weed. You're smoking because it sounds really great. Bleach you know one of the thirteen convention with Kucha Verse Bowling. They really go back. Also to the two thousand nine Republican Party primary nomination process where you had who cinelli running for Attorney General and you had bill bolling of course Lieutenant Governor and then by McDonnell for governor and. That was the last time that you had the Republican Trifecta. And that's where these inter-party fight start boiling over right. And so we have two thousand nine. There was a convention and the only competitive race that year at the convention was Cancun Cinelli versus a guy by the name of John. Brownlee in John Brownlie was our US attorney here in roanoke and he represented the western district of Virginia. Glenn is nodding his head and John. Brownlee was the establishment pick. And if you remember that. Was the tea party. Wave here and everybody talked about. Cancun actually pulled up that speech this morning before we recorded it and there was so many people waving Gadston flags as they talk about. You know the marriage amendment and culture wars and and that's how King Cucci came to prominence. Because all he could do was fight. Culture wars and Virginian stopped caring about culture awards Virginians. You know the great thing about Virginia politics now as we've got through this process is that we're starting to get people who don't care about the culture war you know but back then that's all we ever talked about and it was pretty sad and discussing all we could talk about was who's having sex with. Who and WHO's you know it it? It really frustrated me to watch coach. Anneli who took over the Party and then drove us into the ground and it really kind of broke my heart to see how kinks Nellie the boogeyman in this situation. I'm curious about two thousand fourteen. Because it throws a wrench into this narrative of conventions producing these ultra conservative candidates in primaries producing ones. That are more moderate because as you recall in two thousand fourteen Brat beat cantor and a primary and Gillespie one in a convention so it doesn't take that logic and turn it upside down. Yes it truly. So that was the first year that everybody's logic got turned on. Its head because you had and that was weyer truthfully. The nastiness of their politics started was the Brat V. Kanner race and it really. Just keep algata hateful. I I mean every Virginia Republican has an opinion on Brat versus Kanter and terrapin. Eric Cantor is one of the most honest and decent good human beings on God's green earth. I love that man. I would crawl across broken glass for that. May and Dave Brat. I hate him so much because he he took our Party and made it a cartoon. He didn't believe. Let me let me state this very clear. He didn't believable. Shit he was saying. Because truthfully tape Brat anybody remembers was an appointee of Tim. Kaine number one an economic advisor to ten CAIN and also an economic advisor to Walter. Stash at Walter Stash as you remember was one of the biggest moderate. Republicans in the brand's doesn't add up exactly so you've got a guy who works for Walter Stash and Tim Kaine to moderate politicians and in all he comes out and talks about is immigration immigration immigration. It's opportunism is what it is at. Its finest and then it gets elected and the only bill that Dave Brat ever got to the president's desk and signed was to name an arboretum at the. Va Hospital in Richmond. He got nothing accomplished. He was so opportunistic. Ed He I mean it's proven that Democrats voted in that primary to get Brat in there and it's something that truly as a Republican breaks my heart because he used all the opportunism and the ugly parts of the tea party movement. There are good people the tea party movement but there are bad actors in there and Brat used that movement to kind of excite certain people and then you know there were Democrats who voted in that primary for breath and then they come out and Brat serves four years and the business community finds out own hell with him. We're not going to deal with him. Because he's an idiot. And then Abby Span Burger comes along and we get to right now and Abigail. Such a strong can talk about the business community and they say we may be Republicans but Abigail Span burgers talking about issues. Therefore we're going to go with her and that's the real. Disconnect is that we had brat who was an opportunist and let's be very clear works for stock worked for Tim. Kaine COMES AND TALKS ABOUT IMMIGRATION. Suddenly gets nominated so we got. We got a role this long but delegate Davis just very quickly. You've got some direct experience running a statewide campaign and you got to run in a primary so from your direct perspective. What did you learn as a Republican candidate running in the primary? Well a couple things I mean I that. Republicans had a certain values. We all have them. Look I worked for Bob You're not gonNA find a more prolife person out there them. Bob McDonald when BOB UP ON STAGE BY. Didn't talk about life in abortion. Bob talked about jobs. Is Bob's for jobs? Right that's the thing and it's after Bob McDonald. We forgot how to talk about what people care about around the kitchen table. Look you can do to avenge a convention like it'll be Jackson. Did and talk about and give that Hellfire and Brimstone speech. Probably one of the most amazing or tours I've seen and give people wound up emotionally and then emotional speech causes an emotional reaction and when you vote within minutes of. Here's like that you get what you got right. But the problem was it's the same speech he gave on a generic stage in front of the generic audience and the majority of Virginians. Don't talk about life in abortion on the kitchen table king. Same thing I have to ministry SPEC FOR CAN. We disagreed on a on. A couple of things fairly disagreed in public on a couple of things can was always very blunt which I tend to like. I don't have time for subtlety. But Kid had the same issue he. He sometimes had a problem talking about the things that his audience cares about. It was always the same speech I remember. Bring him in front of a group of business owners and he literally started with the lighter abortion. Thing the what I learned from going around the state of Virginia was two things first off primaries. Do allow you to have the wisdom of crowds. But you have to make sure that everyone has the ability to get their message out to all the voters we run into an issue in our race prior to that year there had never been more than two hundred thousand people that ever voted in Republican. Primary ever knows Bob McDonald's here so I put our win number at about sixty data seventy thousand votes We had over three hundred thousand people. So we I missed that target. We hit our. We did over sixty thousand votes. We got in the primary but did have the money to get the message out on TV to compete against the other two with such a large audience traded by Koi Stewart. And also. I learned that you go round the state of Virginia. People want authenticity you know. Don't go around and pretend to be something you're not Virginians. Americans were not dumb. You know when when you show up and is obvious that the first time you walked in the southwest Virginia was then and you were a talk like you're one of them and you know this now you go there s questions i. I spent more time in South West Virginia than probably anywhere else. My campaign for two reasons one. It was the area that was leased familiar to me out of the gate. And secondly as a business person it had the largest amount of economic opportunity for the Commonwealth of Virginia and that was the springboard. And that's why I jumped on the grasping kick and went to. Estonia is why I went to. Mit talking about coal. So that's the thing you go to an area don't get the Hellfire and Brimstone speech on what you think got you to that point talk often typically about the issues people talk about around the kitchen table listening to them. I it's the whole cliche. People don't care how much you know. They know how much you care. That doesn't happen unless you've listened. I then the next time you come out bring solutions. You know if you don't have solutions you don't get to be having that job and And those are two things I think I picked up the most bearish politicians show up to South West Virginia I grew up in rural south. Was doing out now. Living in roanoke their politicians who come down here and they constantly look like they have to take a shift because they're scared to death that they are going to say something wrong or say something that they don't know I will never forget as long as I live. I was sitting debate in Abingdon Virginia of the twenty thirteen. Lieutenant Governor's race and jean-marie Davis got up Tom. Davis's wife former state. Senator got up and said we in South West Virginia. Still Use outhouses. And we didn't have indoor plumbing. I remember that day like it was yesterday because my then girlfriend now wife who had done mission work in Haiti looked at me and said Matt Not only. Do we have indoor plumbing in South West. Virginia we had it in a third world country. To who the hell does she think she is? And that's the problem. It's also geographic. Divide that part of the state is like Maryland Massachusetts. The other half is votes like Mississippi. I mean bless our rights and and and that's an in. You've got to have candidates who can have a message. Not that opposes one another but a message that transcends the urban Kresa real divide and that's hard when Glenn was talking about Kinky Cinelli. We'd go into room a business people in Virginia Beach and talk about the life abortion. You need somebody who can talk about jobs and make the message. Coherent all the way across Virginia. So on that we're going to take another quick break when we come back. We're going to have one of those on his kitchen table. Discussions about the effect of president. Donald Trump on the Virginia Republican Party. I and board back with Transition Virginia. Podcast WE'RE GONNA talk to Republican handle about Donald Trump Davis. Let's start with you. Democrats in Virginia believe that Donald Trump is the reason they took the majority. And if you look at these two wave alleges that the Democrats want all those seeds. That's basically the Democrats believe that's because of Donald Trump and what one thing that I thought was really significant about this? Most recent election cycle which is sort of the second wave is the Democrats did not lose any of those seats all those seats. They took from Republicans. They kept all of those seats and there was lots of Republicans who thought they could win. Lee Carter seat back for example. Organic Arom CPAC. They Democrats kept all of those seats. Delegate Davis what has been from your perspective what has been the effect of Donald Trump on Virginia politics. Donald Trump is very unique the politics because he didn't win because he's a Republican and I think we've seen that so much after he won where people thought I could just say. I'm pro trump and I went in area in other states and they lose. I don't believe back then. People supported supported Bernie Sanders in the primary or supported Donald Trump because they were Republicans or Democrats. They were looking for an authentic person. Who was going to do what they said they were going to do. I think one thing we can all agree on is like it or not. Donald Trump has done with donald trump. Said he was going to do and I think we all agree. That had Bernie won the primary back. Then and became President Bernie was going to do what Bernie said he was going to both of them kind of broke the mold of the traditional politician of letting salt and make them into who they wanna be so they can win. That didn't and both of them ran on the whole concept of Washington's broken and it doesn't take a five year old to figure out that Washington was broke so any fast forward and you say okay. Republicans are running and you have you know trump and and the Democrats wanted to hang around so many Republicans net and I don't think a lot of Republicans knew how to message this. Look I mean yes. I don't like sometimes the tweets about most the tweets. I wish he would. You know kind of relax a little on that but what I don't understand. Donald Trump's entrepreneur first and foremost period end of story. It's there's a problem. We have to have a solution if you look over time in his history he has not been known for putting his head in the sand on an issue. Has He always got the right? No but he a stick his head in the sand and say Oh my God. This caused problems on the back end. And we've seen that as president so let me ask you. A question wins the last time you were scared. At North Korea was going to escalate. And we'RE GONNA end up in escalate into another third war the war because I had a fear that we escalating prior to his election. A lot of people did and I haven't had that fear in a long time. Do you not like the unemployment rate that up until recently we experienced not like the lowest unemployment rate for minorities that we had experienced. Do not like some of the negotiations that we've done and keep in mind that all this has been done during the first time in history that I can remember a president being hammer day in and day out by multiple media outlets and he's managed to get this done so look no one's perfect but if anyone sits back in a closed room and thinks that Donald Trump has not had a accomplished anything. Good for the people. They're not being honest with themselves. Doesn't mean you agree with them doesn't mean you would vote for him but you have to give the man credit on a few things and if you remember when he became president the Republican Party the Republican leadership in Congress. Wasn't that thrilled with them. He wasn't there for politics as usual. He was there to break the mold that everyone knew was broken. Matt what you see on your end from roanoke so when it comes to me and Donald trump it it's southwest. Virginia embraced trump. And I didn't understand the guy again and get it. I truthfully I talk about how it's almost like Dr Strangelove and how I learned to love the bomb. It's like you know Donald Trump and how I learned to love the trump because at first I just tweets the speeches. This that that the other eight just makes you wanNA scream speaking as a Christian and knowing that South West Virginia is a God fearing place. I would say that a lot of things that Donald Trump says does should be out of step with that demographic. Oh it should be. Let me be very clear there. We are chuck full of. I remember there was a political cartoon that came out and it had. It was a older Caucasian tea party couple and it said we want a man who fears. God. So we're going to choose. A Guy who owned casinos had three wives. So the thing about it was as we had to. I had to learn to accept that. Like he's going to tweet some stupid stuff. He's GonNa do some things I disagree with but at the same time we've got to the Best Supreme Court justices you could ever ask for as Republicans. Now you may disagree with me. Thomas but neal. Gorsuch is amazing. Brett cavenaugh is amazing. You know we have to. We have two hundred plus federal judges. Thank you Mitch. Mcconnell thank you Mitch. Mcconnell We have these judges. We have a tax cut. We have things that any Republican would've don't and so it's kind of in acceptance thing. It was just that my folks down here in southwest Virginia. If you read the best book to describe the Twenty Sixteen election was Hillbilly Elegy. Jd Vance great band Great Great Book and I read it days after the two thousand sixteen election. Because I said around and I was like we just elected a reality TV star is president and I read that book and I talked to. You know my you know. I think about people like my parents who grew up poor in South West Virginia. They didn't have a whole lot and they wanted to bake a better life. You know my dad gets up every morning at four. Am to go to work at five. Am To be a mechanic and he just wants somebody to listen to them. And that's the problem. As Republicans is we've become technocratic and we talk about capital gains taxes. But we don't talk to people like my dad. He's in a Kanak and he you would tell me all the time matthew. Donald Trump speaks to me in a way that nobody else ever did. Romney didn't speak to me this way. You know John McCain did speak to me this way. There is some kind of authenticity at least in the perceived populism that cuts through especially to a large population that skeptical of honest leadership in both parties right. And so. That's that's something that you know we've had to you know and I'd take it a step further. Glenn when it comes to his tweets in its own I'd love to take Donald Trump's phone and smash it with a sledgehammer. How what we have to talk about the good things. He's doing that. He's trying to get these things done and you know. I really think that he's changed the conversation but there is but from that we've had some positive things happen in our economy. You know before Cova now I think it'll rebound after Kovin that you know. He's done some positive things in one thing. You know taking it back to the party right. So the Democrats came after all of us Withhold DONALD TRUMP thing. I mean my race alone. They tried to hang donald trump around my neck. They spent over a million dollars against me. Mike to near coal back in June was forty two Republican forty one democrat. You know very much. A swing district I get outspend almost five to one. I spent two hundred and fifty thousand my punishment over a million And I didn't run away from trump. I literally the whole day on our work the largest democratic district. It's Kinda grew up there. always lose it big democratic coal. But I didn't run away from trump when people came by. I said you know nice to meet you. I love your support and they always ask Him Republican or Democrat and Republican that Supports Donald Trump. We'd had that conversation of why because I truly believe if you have that dialogue once again. No one's perfect but if you have the dialogue of why I supported asa why I support why you know you look at Donald Trump and and some people want to say he doesn't look out for those most in need among us really cadaval tax plan to people not realize that he that there was a refundable tax credit the child of the childcare tax credit. That gutting you've got the increased so those that actually don't make enough to pay taxes got an increase in their refundable tax credits money in their pocket. So there's so much out there that people just want to go after they don't understand that there is you. There's a lot that he has accomplished for the good once again. Not Saying that you know people have to support or not support him. But I think the day there's a counterbalance there and that dialogue does get you. Moderate voters coming over. We just knew how to handle that last year. In my opinion Donald Trump's values seem to be incongruent with Republican values. And I say that Speaking as a former Republican myself I don't think I've talked about this on the podcast yet. I actually left the Republican Party when I was nineteen years old which you know very young in the grand scheme of things but I was. It was two thousand nine and actually voted a straight ticket. Believe it or not Republican for the last time of my life that year And then very quickly when the tea party took over I was out and I kind of see the Donald trump is kind of the culmination of all the things in my mind that I saw impending in. The party's do back in two thousand nine. At least speaking from the perspective of somebody who grew up in. Centerville Virginia suburbs of Washington. Dc A very Reagan Republican Neighborhood and Previously represented by Tim Hugo for a very long time my My Home District was So what is the future of the Republican Party And what policies should Republicans start pursuing in order to win that majority back. Well let me let me start just really quick before we go on that because you know you made a statement there that you know trump really doesn't kind of fit inside that Republican mold and what people need remember. Trump isn't a Republican I. He's an entrepreneur. I I did trump. I trump you know people think of him. He's a reality star that became president He's an entrepreneur that became president the reality pieces part of the whole entrepreneurial thing right I mean. That's the crazy part. You write a lot of stuff. He does may not fit the republican mold. I remember when Pat Buchanan wanted to play. The isolationist game I was at a I was young. I was thinking high school at the time and I remember being against this I don't believe in isolation isolationism however when trump was doing it it was a negotiation leverage. Piece that he was using with other countries now I'm not privy none of us were privy to sit at the negotiating tables. But I believe that you don't be coming success on the world stage without knowing the shake a hand and when the slam door and Howdy used leverage so to the extent that I saw what transpired with Korea when he wanted to play the game of China. I realize. I'm not gonNA play Armchair quarterback on isolationist policy. When I know that the whole point of negotiations I is to make sure that you've got the leverage to get someone to do what you want them to do. Now we take that forward into your question of okay. What is your party go now? It is a little bit like that. We need to go back to being the Party of solutions by George Allen George Allen got elected on ideas we had The the whole reform parole that he put in place he reformed met of welfare reform. Back in ninety five or the became the model for so many other states Bob McDonnell in the bopper jobs scenario talking about what all you know a Virginians care about justice reform and somewhere along the line. We stopped being the Party of taking on big ideas and coming up with solutions to last huge idea that we had as a party that we took on. Obviously very controversial was a transportation plan. Right I mean. Give me something that we've done since then that is of that stature. The transportation plan the welfare reform plan. You know Abolishment OF PAROLE ON ISSUES. That people care about around the kitchen table is what? Donald Trump realized. Don't talk to three thousand foot view on something that philosophy talked about what all Americans care about around the kitchen table and bring solutions Fulmar. Bassett do thank you Davis and Matt. You are a millennial Republican. So what do you want to see your party champion on? Its way back to the majority one day that I want to champion that. The message the message of conservatism is a message for all people. The message of free markets and free people is a message of all people because and we're starting to see that by good people like Denver Reagan. You Know Denver. I've for a long time. I've been outspoken about the fact that I believe in marriage equality. I believe you know. And that's very contrary to what's in southwest Virginia Republican politics they. That's very to the contrary vite. I approach it as an issue of conservatism and saying government shouldn't be allowed to tell me who I can and cannot be with and government should approach the issue that we're all human beings we all have worth and we all contribute to society no matter who the good Lord made us to be and and we're seeing that with Denver riggleman and in the thing I want to say in the right direction was when Congressman Riggleman married a gay couple and put it in the Washington Post a lot of people in the Republican Party at first for like maybe this is a bad idea. I'm like no. This is really good and now it's time it's needed data. It's absolutely needed. I was literally like I remember. I got to write the article about it bearing drift and I was like yes finally we have Republicans. Who were saying. You know. We're not GONNA fight the culture war anymore we're going to embrace you know the Lgbtq community and we're going to say we love you re except you and we value and that's what we need is to accept every single person. I don't care if you're black or white or gay or straight or Jewish gentile. I don't care who you are. The conservative message matters a free markets and free people the message that you should have the right to protect yourself from someone who wants to take your life or property should matter to people. And that's so I think about the good people like dinner. Riggleman I think about you know the good guys who are running like Glenn Davis who you know Glenn's my body because we have some conversations about you know how we can move this party into the party into the twenty first century by not talking about this. I was having this conversation with Glenn last night. We've been friends for four years and I don't know Glenn Davis goes to Church because we don't we talk about economic issues and we talk about you know how to make the economy better and honestly. I could care less where you go to church. I care that you care about free markets and free people so I'll just say this just to wrap up the segment speaking as northern Virginia Liberal Democrat. I temporarily displaced in Arlington. Hopefully if we ever really this quarantine I can move down to Richmond. But I I will say this I don't believe one. Party rule is good You know the Democrats have the TRIFECTA right. Now we're going to have a little bit of fun with it but ultimately I really believe that we need to have a healthy two party system in this country In order to have productive dialogue. So on that note. We're going to take a break when we come back. We're going to go off topic and we're going to talk about something other than politics and we're back Matt. You are from Roanoke Virginia and that is your hometown and you really like to tell us a little bit more about South West Virginia. So let's talk about that for for a bit. What do you want us to know about South West Virginia? So there's this really interesting fact that when I tell it thrown to northern Virginia people they are so bizarrely thrown off if you are standing in Lee County. Virginia you are closer to eight state capitals than you are to Richmond. Virginia and whereas Lee County Virginia for the for people who don't know Lee County is the farthest western point and That's on the border of Kentucky. Okay a lot of people think that Virginia ends at Roanoke. I'm originally from Carroll County Virginia. Which if you know anything about that area is close to gay lacks. Virginia where the old time fiddler's convention takes over everything and you'll hear the greatest bluegrass music in the world But I would encourage anyone. Who's listening to this? If you've never taken a trip to South West Wind Cove. It is over. We want you to be safe. Social Distance. Do the right thing during Cova but once this is lifted. I beg of you calm. Meter people go to the barter theatre in Abington and you'll have the best production natual ever see of any player musical Goto cows an Abington. Any the best cheeseburger ever on. You know go to Wise County and meet most salted earth. People that you will ever meet go to Franklin County close to where I am and trash some of the best mood China in the world. Now we're talking You know there is. We make good beer down here. We have great food and I want people to realize that Virginia does not just draw pass Blacksburg because people think. Oh we'll go to BLACKSBURG. We'll go to Virginia Tech football game and that's it no. There is three hours of. There's three hours worth of Virginia and I'll never forget the first time I drove a wise county because she had to drive an hour and a half to get the wives and another two hours the art an hour and a half to get Abington and in another hour to get wise. Those people are the best people that you could ever ask for so I would encourage anybody. Who's listening to this? That's maybe from Richmond or Hampton Roads Way Cove. It is over take a weekend in the mountains and you will find the best people the best food and the best culture that you could ever ask for an some of the most breathtaking scenery. I would add. I had the pleasure of getting to knock doors and Tazewell Virginia back in two thousand fourteen. When Philpott dropped out for the MIKE HIVES BEEN CHAFING ELECTION TO? Of course all the yes. That was not a good year to be knocking doors as a Democrat. I'll say that For my kind but it was the most beautiful scenery I'm going to butcher this. But it's it's been several years says there? There's there's like a like God's thumbprint or like thumbprint of God or something like this. Yes that is in so you were probably in Taza you were in Tazewell County. My wife bless her heart. My wife is from Bluefield Virginia which is in Tazewell County. And you drive over the mountain to God's thumbprint and that is some of the most beautiful scenery you could ever ask for People talk about going to the mountains of Colorado rockies or anything like that come to South West Virginia and you will have you know. State parks hiking four wheel erotic. All that good stuff about you know the rockies in the West you can find it here in Virginia and freeze sixty degree mountain views. And God's thumbprint down there and what I learned while I was there is it was the original location for the biltmore estate. The farmers did not want to sell it to him and so he ended up moving it to Asheville North Carolina and built his own rail. Spur out there and I wonder how the world might have been a little bit different if he had been able to build built more and Tazewell County Virginia and build the rail. Spur to Tazewell. While we we're so thankful we may not have gotten built more what we some beautiful gems I if you ever get a chance go to Abingdon You need to go down to the tavern and have the taverns been there since the seventeen hundreds. You'll have the best steak you've ever eaten in your life and then walked back up Main Street. Abington and go to the barter theatre and you'll have you'll have some of the best productions I know this summer if we get out of Cova. They're doing nine to five and I'm the biggest Dolly Parton Fan on God's Green Earth so Saint Donnelly as I call her. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA have. We're going to have so much fun in southwest Virginia this summer. If you ever get a chance for political junkies tecom to gay lacks Virginia on the second weekend in August there is the gay lacks old time fiddler's convention and they have the poor man's dinner which is the southwest Virginia version of the Shad planking. Okay and You get to eat some barbecue and listened to the best bluegrass music in the world. And it's home to me and I'm so glad I got to talk about it and ask them for the second week of August you know. Southwest you mentioned the beauty and it's amazing but You know as we're when I ran for Lieutenant Governor. I didn't realize I was attempting to realize this. But the memorial is in Bedford. Virginia the most amazing movie memorial I'd ever seen in my life is in Bedford and the most fun I had on. That race was in August at the hour. Is I think it's a rotten. Yeah the Rockingham County Fair which is mid August. You wanted to be go to an amazing vent of concerts and what I really enjoyed was the demolition derby. I told the guys the next time I come down there. I don't want to be watching this. I'm bringing a car I need. You have some of the best times that the FIDDLER's convention thoroughly enjoyed but that county fair it just it takes you back and the most down to Earth people I've ever met in my life and that's had so much fun and enjoyed it so much out there and if you WanNa talk about the gym of Western Virginia my favorite place besides Abington and Bristol You gotta go to the homestead the homestead of. Oh my God. It's just I swear there's magic in those walls at the homestead I literally save up money all year so I can take a weekend up there with my wife. It's just magical so western Virginia especially the fifth sixth and Ninth Congressional districts. Please come please visit spending money. Have a good time. And and that's that's what I'll talk about. Maybe we can meet up for a beer once. We're all lifted from quarantine Big Lick Brewery in downtown. Roanoke has some of the finest bruise you can ask for I'll be glad to have you Thomas and Glen. You're always invited to run up to well. We'll see all delegate Davis you've only got one shot here so we would ask you not to drop your chance and bonus opportunity. Tell us about. Tell us about your off topic segment here. Well what I've found that people down so surprised he whenever info. Lieutenant Governor was my taste in music so I literally you know growing up when people said what's on your MP three player everything from country rock to family OPPORTU RAP and hip hop. But I really grew up enjoying rapid hip hop back in the day. Run DMC BEASTIE. Boys all the old school stuff You know I've got everything from EMINEM. You know loveless eminem Dr Dre. So you know people have a hard time believing that about me. I never forget the time I wasn't southwest Virginia Four Debate. I'm in my. Rv Mill Yellow preppy. And when I got out it's a group of a a students has you know. Was that great imminent. You're listening to. I'm like yeah so I think I got some instinct credit at that point but Yeah I I've always enjoyed rap and hip and people find that so surprising. What's your pump up music? Oh favorite song of the world so Remember the name by Fort Minor Favorite Song Best pump up song. I mean how can you? So how can you not like a song that you know? If it's ten percent love twenty percent skills. Fifteen percent concentrated power will five percent pleasure. Fifty percents aiming painted one hundred percent reason. Remember the name I mean. How does that they're selling lyrics? Not Pump you up I. I can't do it justice I can't sing But you know it's You add. I've always enjoyed. I think rapid hip hop because mostly except for some of the old school stuff which is kind of fun it was always about something it was it was always about life. And so that's always appealed to me. I know musically now I like some of that stuff I I like some of that. Music but I've been listening to there was a podcast on. Npr About Dolly Pardons America. And you know how we talk about immigrant music and I live in Ronan now and I feel like an immigrant because I grew up in a town of three hundred. I now live in a town of two hundred thousand and it's just so I don't know but that's what I'm listening to these days Dolly Parton. I love dogs but there has been a lot of rap country. Overlap IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. So you had of course most recently Little Nas ex and billy ray. Cyrus collaborated but before that actually The Backstreet Boys and Florida Georgia Line got together for a single a few years back so it is and then I think Tim McGraw Did something. Even further back than that at one point and And what started it all. Walk this way Aerosmith and run. Dmc great songs and so delegate Davis were you Dita's person back in the day so I did not wear my adidas however I a couple years ago was asked to do a dancing with the stars and I went out and bought my first DITA's I wanted to do hip hop and I realized my body is not the body of twenty year old. So the moves. I thought I could do not so much but I did have the look. And that's half the battle right faking it until you making is exactly what we all have to do here so well thank you so much for joining us. We're going to have to wrap up. We've been gone forever but this has been a great conversation. I really appreciate it. I delegate Davis thank you very much for your time today and Republican blogger. Matt Paul. Thank you very much for being our panelists. Thank you for listening to transition. Virginia if you want to add your two cents send us an email at transitioned. 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Evaluating the GOP candidates for Lieutenant Governor

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Evaluating the GOP candidates for Lieutenant Governor

"This is a crowd that claims to be open to immigrants and open to minorities yet refuse to admit to islamaphobia hangs in a phobia that exists in the party. This episode of transition virginia. They didn't cave. they got beat. The republican candidates for lieutenant governor. We should have warned our listeners to get their bingo cards ready for joined by david. Ramadan really room for minorities in current atmosphere in today's republican party. Who are these candidates. And why are they running. Everything is possible. Nobody all that and so much more on this episode of transition virginia more. Welcome to transition virginia. The podcast documents the ongoing transition of power. In virginia michael tofu. And i'm thomas bowman and before we began we've got a little housekeeping to do and make an announcement michael pope congratulations are in order. You were just elected. The president of the virginia capital correspondence association. How do you feel apprehensive. Because i don't want to screw it up Actually you know the virginia capital correspondence association doesn't really do all that much stuff. In fact it's real chief. Purpose is when things go bad. The capital correspondence association sort of steps in to try to fix things. Best example of this recent memory is of course when the senate majority leader kicked the press out of the senate chamber and the capital. Correspondence association did a lot of negotiating and behind the scenes. Kind of arm twisting to get the press back in the senate and then of course when the pandemic happened the capital corresponds association negotiated with the house clark and the senate clerk to make sure that there is access for the press whenever they were meeting outside of the capitol building and So yeah it is a little more organizational heavy. Than i'm used to doing so hopefully i won't screw it up too much but enough of that Today on the podcast. We're talking about republican candidates for lieutenant governor. It's a crowded field. Although not quite as crowded as the cast of democrats running for lieutenant governor republicans will select their candidate for the november election in a may eighth convention. Unlike other conventions. This one won't be at a single location like the richmond coliseum. It'll be at thirty seven. Separate locations spread all the way through virginia and it'll also have ranked choice voting so none of that stuff with a dark horse candidate emerging after several ballots. So who are all these republicans vying for office. Don't worry transition virginia. Has you covered ready to take a look at who these people are and why they're running and we have a friend of the podcast to help us out. He's a former republican member of the house of delegates. He's now at the shore school of policy and government at george mason university. David ramadan for joining us. Good to be with you. And i have a question there. Michael yes does be elected president of the regional capital correspondence association. Give you privileges to get into. Amanda chases flexi boss on the senate floor. Why would you want to know during the coronavirus is avoided. Going down to richmond. And haven't really left alexandra since the pandemic of there were press areas in the makeshift senate chamber there in the science museum. But i don't think the press was allowed to walk around the the actual senate floor so that would be a new. No access to the plexiglas. Is it give you special access to conference. Committee is michael. I you better believe. I'm going to be pushing for that and won't shut up about it all year long but anyway let's start with tim hugo now. This is the longtime member of the house of delegates from clifton. He was first elected in two thousand two in a special election after j. O'brien was elected to the state senate so hugo spent like twenty years in the house eventually becoming the republican caucus chairman in two thousand and nineteen. He was ousted by democrat. Dan helmer now on the campaign trail. He talks about being pro-life and helping to close an abortion clinic near his home. He's probably the most trumpy of the candidates in the race although he doesn't talk about trump explicitly but he hits all those hot button maga- issues from cancel culture to de-fund the police temp ugo says. Democrats don't wanna make america great again. They don't like us. They don't like the way we preach. They don't like the way we raise our children in the way we marry. They don't like anything about us. Given ramadan is that a message that's going to work for the convention will look at tim. Hugo is a conservative member through in through held several positions on the hill and congress ran. He's a veteran and political veteran military veteran political veteran ran for the house and served for seventeen years as you mentioned. He made it to the number three position. Virginia house republican caucus as caucus chair graduate of william and mary of fellowship. The kennedy school he truly is through and through a political or comer who knows how to navigate the system and in a convention setting and atmosphere that the republican party is country in today. This is a message that will resonate however will make it low harder as well in the general after one wins the convention to try to swing back towards the middle with reporting such as the ones you just hit is going to be good at raising money to. He was notoriously good at it as the republican caucus chair to the point where when he almost lost in the previous twenty seventeen election. I actually had a lobbyist comment that if they had known we were gonna come this close to beating tim hugo and twenty seventeen they would have come up to centerville and knocked doors themselves an excellent legislator not only he is a good political candidate but he was an excellent legislator He was able to to work through. He actually worked across the aisle and he was one of the few. that could work across. The hall nudge. Us across is he had great relationships on the senate side in those able to navigate those issues that consistently exists between the house and the senate The biggest issues in disputes normally happens we house in the senate you go. It's one of the few of the republican caucus those able to work those problems In bridge between vice now his pitch to voters is that he's a republican who can win in northern virginia where he held that house seat for almost twenty years. Now dan helmer did beat them in two thousand nineteen. But you go. Was there for a long time and on the campaign trail. He's against abortion rights and four gun rights. He voted against expanding medicaid. And he wants to undo all those things that democrats have accomplished. Seize control the general assembly last year. This is hugo on that never thought a decade ago or fifteen years ago you would have democrats talking casually about infanticide. You'd never thought she'd have beta work on door to door against us to talk about taking our guns and you never thought she talked me talking about defunding police. But that's what the democrats are doing now. Can you go win running against beto aerobic in a convention yes these are absolute headlines for the republican electorate This is a very narrow universe off the citizens of virginia who are going to participate in this process. Even those unassembled convention meeting. It's not one location. But in thirty seven locations across the commonwealth. This is absolutely a winning message for him in the convention running against afc. Biddle o'rourke again. This will be problematic in the general election after an after he wins and he is the the the the front runner by all means among the republicans today. Yeah you know. It's important to point out that republicans have had these positions on social issues for going on twenty years now and it's done nothing but lose them elections in the last decade. They've already lost the suburbs on this message. And you can't win a general election if you can't win the suburbs. As i said no disagreement there one issue that hugo kind of talks about that. We actually have our hearing from a lot of candidates and this will come up as a running theme here is critical race theory which is essentially a reexamination of how view the role of race. In history here go takes this ball and run with it. They wanna make sure that our kids are indoctrinated in elementary school. That our kids are indoctrinated in a college classroom. And that's your voices sensor. I believe that. I know that. And i see it. We see it every day we did see it with. Cdl we did see it with the new york post which had a story about hundred which was founded. That paper was founded by alexander hamilton. Who wrote the federalist papers who talked about the constitution. Who stood what we were trying to do. Okay so it's true that alexander. Hamilton founded the new york post. But that doesn't make rupert murdoch. A founding father and headless body in topless bar isn't quite federalist fifty one also. That story on hundred biden was so sketchy that the new york post reporters who worked on it refused to put their byline on it. Okay so having said all that getting that off my chest. What do we make here of. Hugo's stream of consciousness rant here going from critical race theory too. Big tech two hundred biden. What does this say about. Hugo's pitch to voters actually says quite a bit about where the republican electorate are. Whether this was you could take this quote in. Put it under any of the republican candidates and fit regardless. Who said it. The question here is not. What are these individual candidates saying on the question in my mind is where are the electorate on their side today and after twenty twenty and nothing has changed on the country. Seems that what we're seeing among. The republican electorate is more off the trump era versus less of the trump era. And that is why these candidates are chatting about these subjects. This is not. I knew to hugo well to goes good friend of mine And this is these are not the discussions that you would hear from tim. Or glenn davis or or Alania or or or i would. I would guess the other candidates if you sitting having a year or smoking a cigar with them or having in the l. or in the confines of jefferson's capital decent knocked the issues. That are on their mind. These are not in my experience or not their political day in day out fights or ideological fights or or priorities these are simply today the subject matter of where the electorate is after four years of a charge trump era that is forcing all of these candidates to spend their time talking about indoctrinations and censorship in schools and alexander. Hamilton favors related to the new york. Bus yeah we should have warned our listeners to get their bingo cards ready because all he did in that in that stream of consciousness was list out. A bunch of buzz words that might resonate with the base and it is a cynical play because he doesn't think or talk like that behind closed doors only when he's campaigning. So you know. I was like really have an issue with confusing indoctrination for education because his philosophy extreme conservative philosophy can't withstand marketplace of ideas. And so they're trying to shut themselves out from institutions of higher learning and. I don't think that any party as well served pushing out smart. Bright people with advanced education degrees. Okay well you know who's not to the right and trying to be the most conservative. Most trumpy candidate is glenn davis now. He's the only of the all of these candidates who is currently an elected official. He's currently member of the house of delegates representing virginia beach. Now he was a staffer for bob. Mcdonnell way back in the day so gay for staffers. In two thousand eight davis was elected to the virginia beach city council and then he was elected to the house in two thousand thirteen. One thing about davis that makes him really stand out in this field that he's pitching himself as a candidate. Who will go down the middle. All the other candidates are trying to outflank each other on the right. But here's davis setting his sights right down the middle. Everyone can repeat. God guns and glenn. That's not that hard we can get the base riled up i want to go to the areas that are not traditionally public odors. I want to get to the middle because the middle is where you win. Elections and the middle is where a lot of republicans have done way too comfortable. And that's why we lose. This seems like a really risky strategy. David ramadan is this a message. That's going to work in a republican convention. No it will. Not but glenn has no other choice but to do this. Not only because he believes it and he's right in the general election. The only way republican could win even though it's still a very far could in today's gel atmosphere regardless the republican is a republican could win if republican is in the middle in the general election. However for glenn out he has no other choice but to do this in addition to being right above the general glenn's voting record is not solid conservative record. He has been courageous in had voted for gay rights. He had voted on. Labor issues had voted on work issues and therefore he could not even if you wanted to position himself as the far right candidate and thus he is going for you know. Hail mary my mind here glen bell a friend of mine who is a member of my small business development caucus in the house. And he's going for hail. Mary on okay. If the vote is split among all the ones that are splitting the right vote. Is there a chance of people. Go for the number two on the ballot Are they gonna divide enough that vote that he may be able to squeeze in and if all fails than nominate. David ramadan frail g. As as i joked on twitter yesterday when his staff of hashtag david for l. g. instead of davis forever. You know this is probably not the worst strategy for a ranked choice ballot I mentioned just a minute ago that you need to win the suburbs in order to win an election and yeah he is definitely not the most conservative he is not ideologically partisan and that is going to play well and the moderate suburbs You know the problem. He has just one of numbers. The number of voters who identify republican over the last four years have diminished to the point that it's just you know the hardcore extreme believers so will any of those people that glenn davis really needs to win and list him as number one or two on their ballot. Even be there in the first place is it's an open question. Your the ranked choice dynamic is all theoretical at this point. We really haven't seen it play out this way so it's gonna be fascinating to watch now on. Glenn davis like many of these candidates. This is another running theme that will have many of them have an immigrant story on the campaign trail. He talks about his great grandfather. Emigrated from italy He also talks about losing his job. Nineteen ninety nine living in a one bedroom apartment where he started. It company he also has this story about his childhood that speaks to his agenda. I remember being nine years old sitting on a couch one night when the phone rang. And my daddy. It was about my uncle william and my uncle. William were did a convenience store about a mile from where i live today that it was robbed. He was taken back and he was murdered. And i remember. My family said weeks after that they. They said that he probably did it before. Because it was before incensing. Abolition of parole. It wish mcelwain had his firearm on him. Because he's still with us today but they never blend ghazi never said we needed more gun. Control that this is a political origin story that weaves together gun rights with truth in sentencing. All these candidates talk about defending the second amendment. But glenn davis has this personal story. Will this resonate with voters yet will to a certain extent though within that small universe of republican electorates that are gonna participate in upcoming conventions in in may there is a segment that are one issue voters and that's the second amendment voters and that will resonate but would be enough to win number of those voters who are also very interested in other social issues. Which davis is not strong on. I doubt that that will be the case. You know speaking as a hard core. Democrat glenn davis actually gives me the least amount of heartburn and that's simply because i've watched him work by the way he's been a guest on transition virginia before and listen to our show regularly and he is somebody that democrats could negotiate with if he were to become lieutenant governor so of all the republicans in this race. I i see davis as the one that could actually bring the republican party forward and stand a chance of winning in the general one thing that he talks about that really. I find kind of striking is that he will as lieutenant governor. He will literally use the platform. Being lieutenant governor will actually speak out about issues there in the senate chamber. This is what he had to say about that. You know it's not just good enough. Republicans to say no it. Republicans to stand up and share. Why so as lieutenant governor. But you'll see from the days up there doing that. You will to cox about stepping down from the day to get a speech about life. Well rb darned it might keep my mouth when it comes to the second amendment. So what he's talking about there is in the last session when republicans were in power just before they lost it. All kirk cox was speaker of the house and he got down off the diet to give a speech from his ceremonial seat on the house. Floor opposing abortion rights. So if glenn davis is elected lieutenant governor who literally be presiding over the senate sessions where he could theoretically give a speech about any topic whenever he wants So what do we make of. The potential for glenn davis to be disruptive on the senate floor and giving speeches about the second amendment and maybe other things it classic case of comparison between leadership styles glenn mentions famous act by former speaker costs who decided to step down from day to speak about important issue of personally and was i remember that speech. It was very emotional was very personal however the optics of it in the way it was done it actually walked down the speakership in demonstrated really no other way to say it. But a lack of leadership by cox the time it's arguably the same light leadership had reached a despite how how good of a man is in service in his long-term service to virginia and as a delegate as teacher and so on a he didn't have that charisma even seen by his here one of his colleagues today former member of his caucus who elected him speaker saying that wasn't leadership the new leadership or the leadership style should be using the days. And as as lieutenant governor. I would stand up there and do so is what glenn davis say. That's a classic textual leadership compares in style that i teach to my students at george mason of the sharp school. And that's a huge difference between your old guard in the new guard among virginia. Republicans even though. They're both running at the same time today. The old garden new guard are both still competing for positions in leadership of this forty regardless how dwindling that universe has become nice plug for the sheriff's school. You know what. Michael and david This statement by glenn davis here actually reminds me a lot of what mark levin said. He would do if elected lieutenant governor which was turned it into more of a twenty four seven job and go around the stumping for the issues that matter to him. Now glenn isn't talking about going around the state but he is talking about turning the algae position into something that's more activist and outspoken than traditionally has been in the past. Now all that said you know. No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy and the enemy. There is definitely going to be both tommy. Norman and dick sassa who have no interest and letting the lg extend the already painfully. Long senate sessions. I would make an amendment to that. Which is i think that real enemy. There would be the clerk of the senate. Yeah it's not like the senate chamber being transformed into a platform for lieutenant governor to say whatever the heck you wanted to say yeah before you can step down from the you've gotta get past. Susan shar i will amend your amendment there because clerk is no enemy to anyone but an absolute stewart of of that body h. e. truly keeps them all in line. I would agree with you. One hundred percent. And i certainly don't want to go wrong side of the clark especially in my role as the head of the capital correspondence association. I mean we're just my point. Was i think she would not appreciate the you know. The sessions being hijacked by someone who wants to make a lot of speeches yet however of the fact of the matter is should he or anyone who becomes. Lg decide that they're gonna use the dais for that The rules allows of they're in control of days they cannot stop them from speaking they. Can jack majority minority leader can object. Only want madam clerk could show her disappointment and you know could could use some tactical bureaucratic ways off of making a change. But the dais is in control of the governor. General governor decided to make that day is over or a discussion source for ideology or for issues. He or she can use all right. Well let's take a break when we come back we'll talk about winsome sears lance allen kuni alleluia and maeve. And i'll tell you what doesn't help is we have reporters like michael pope from w. f. These were not rioters and looters. These were patriots. I never called the people who stormed the capital patriots. These were not rioters and looters. These were patriots. I never called the people who stormed the capital patriots. We have to hold our media accountable. You can help our podcast. People in power accountable head over to transition. Virginia dot com and hit the button. That says contribute on patriotic for as little as three dollars a month you can help us speak truth to power and we're back on transition. Virginia we're talking about the republican candidates for lieutenant governor. So next up is winsome sears. Now she's a former member of the house of delegates from the early two thousands. She represented the ninetieth. District's that's a seat that was later held by algae howell and jo lindsay. Now angela williams graves while winsome sears was first elected in two thousand one and she served one term but she declined to seek reelection in two thousand three instead setting her sights on congress in two thousand four. She ran unsuccessfully against congressman. Bobby scott then in two thousand eighteen. She ran as a write in candidate for. Us senate as an alternative to corey. Stewart on the campaign trail this is how she introduces. I'm so glad to be here with all of you. And i'm so glad that you put together but it's four. I'm so that we have yet. Another opportunity to make ourselves known to our fellow. Republicans are fellow conservatives. And as i say our fellow deplorables but then we have another word. Don't be the president biden has now called us neanderthals. So let's own that we are now also neanderthals. How do you like then david ramadan. How do you like that. Look the honorable winsome. Senior was the first black. Republican woman elected to the house She is Female veteran I legal immigrant woman so she has certainly a story to share however she doesn't have the name recognition in virginia and despite the discussions off inclusion of minorities in two days republican party or the claim of inclusions of minorities in today's republican party There's not really room for minorities in current atmosphere and today's republican party so despite how conservative she is regardless of the issues that she's going to be running on She actually faces a huge challenge in becoming known among the electorate in attracting attention here in competing with the other candidates and therefore she's an uphill candidate to with a very slim chance of success. Yeah you know even aside from all of that just looking at what. She's tried to do one. Termer decided rather than stay there. She'd run for congress against bobby scott then trying to run as a write in. Us senate candidate. She's got a history here of poor decision. Making an unskillful actions that should disqualify her from nomination. Altogether in my opinion now david ramadan. You mentioned the immigrant story. This is actually a theme with a lot of these. Candidates have some sort of emigrants story in their backgrounds. No winsome sears. Talks about her father coming to this country in one thousand nine hundred sixty three during the height of the civil rights struggle. This is talking about that. And so i have a. Why did you come when things are bad for us. And he said because this is where the jobs were and then i said but yes but it was the height of the civil rights movement and he said this is where the opportunities were. And so you say. That's the reason why people still come to america no matter what they call us racist sexist homophobic xenophobic lama phobic. A biggest misogynous. Whatever now was starting to play. You know some sort of patriotic music behind her discussion of america and this is why people come to america but then she takes this hard turn here into the racist sexist homophobic islamophobic biggest misogynists whatever. So what did you make of that. David robin play into the crowd. Mostly this is a crowd that wants to feel inclusive yet are hardcore on some issues at crowd that claims to be open to immigrants and open to minorities yet refuse to admit to islamaphobia hangs in a phobia that exists in the party So this is really a plane to the crowd as as has been the theme with all of them Except glenn davis Exactly I don't know win some personally. So i don't know Her her Normal conversations or positions outside of the campaign trail But i would assume that that's not where she stands and i would assume that she would recognize even though she's not admitting it here or on the country she's dismissing it here She would be admitting to the existing problems that the republican party has with xenophobia and several other focus. Yeah you know. As to pivoting to playing the victim. I mean self-immolation might work in the context of talking to the home crowd but the whole party is on fire right now. And so you're never gonna be able to characterize as a republican that europe party under duress an victim when you know the party systemically victimized everybody else now on the issue of systemic victimization and perhaps even systemic racism winsome. Sears is an african american woman. So she has the ability to talk about race in a way that other candidates cannot do. Here's sears talking about the racial politics of the democrats the democrats. They're not helping us. They're pinning the races each other. You've heard the constant black white now. It's asian they're speaking against. Thomas jefferson kids and their successes want quotas. The democrats love folks is so. Is this an argument. That will resonate with republican convention voters. It is and she has the ability to have that discussion. That white candidates cannot and it will play because of the other side overplaying their hands in some discussions Overplaying their hands on Thomas jefferson issue for example. We've seen over the last year. Absolute extreme on these issues from both sides and This gives winsome a position that is unique in this race that she can talk about it. She can discuss it being african american Running as a republican and be able to criticize the other side on on these issues without anyone be able to attack her on it because she is a minority. Yeah i mean. It's definitely something that is going to play well with the audience. But i don't think anybody's voting on it at the republican convention voting on god guns abortion. No there is. There is quite a bit of. This has changed a gun. Rights and abortion remain to be in school. Still forget open schools. Today are are the issues on the republican side so gun rights and abortion and remain to be important. Those are three ideological constant issues but there are new issues that had marched. The racism issue has emerged. And there's both accusations in denial that play in. This minority issues has emerged and especially among african americans and the statues and everything that we've seen over the last few years confederate names that has immersion it has become an issue that republicans are both democrats and republicans. Voters are voting on today ford against and their other emerging issues. I would say the number one issue. Today is reopen schools that that is playing among the republican electorate. Who would have thought that year ago or six months ago that there will ever be a main issue among the republican electors. That is actually main issue among electorate in general. Now i think by november. It'll be mute issue making it a priority. Now is going to backfire after the summer because not going to be an issue and you go the general election like what are you gonna run on. You gonna say well. Back in march fighting for opening schools or schools are open on. Beck's are are prevalent. So that's not an issue then but this has now become a real issue for the electorate both republican and the democrat side. It's actually more dangerous for democrats than for republicans because it had created a shift in the split between the teachers unions and parents who normally used to support teachers quite a bit teachers Don't want to go back to school in rural not all For now and then however parents in general want their kids back in school for now. So these are emerging issues that lecter is going to vote on or the electorates is voting. Yeah you know it strikes me as something. That's a popular political issue only in the short term and yeah just yeah just looked to roanoke public schools which just had to close to more high schools for in person after there were outbreaks among the kids. The reality is that until you vaccinate kids. It's not safe to hold in person school so go ahead and you know. Ask to get your medicine all you want. But the reality is it's gonna take a few weeks till you have to close the schools until gets can get vaccinated. It's just not safe period. You can't compromise with the virus. It's just science now. All the candidates actually on the campaign trail have been talking about opening schools. And they really love sort of hitting north them for this like as as an attack. One of those candidates is lance allen. Our next candidate. He's an air force vet with no previous political experience. This is how lance allen describes his backstory. I grew up in the fields of south georgia. My grandfather took me. And when i was about six years old my father had been murdered and my mom who was a victim of domestic violence struggled real hard with raising four kids all of a sudden and so my grandfather took two of a thin and he was a hard man but i he taught me well. He taught me the value of hard work by one going joke my grandfather knew about child. Labor laws you really just didn't care. His father was murdered. His mother was the victim of domestic violence others this kind of hardscrabble assisted here that's blended with some not so subtle resistance to the labor movement. What we make of this. Spy graphical sketch he honorable man who served his country who wants to surf further this time instead of new in uniform but in the public service elected office roll yet has zero experience and despite a sad personal story that may resonate. When you're knocking on a door trying to get a vote one on one and then may work. In a general election for a small a very small narrow segment of the electorate. It is absolutely irrelevant despite it's important to him and despite the tragedy that he went through is truly irrelevant to electability. If we're talking purely from political science point of view yeah you know this. This is somewhat perplexing. Because i don't really understand how not abiding by child labor laws as a joke. It's a weird flex to say. You were abused as a kid right. And it's got nothing to do with whether or not he makes a good candidate. It's just i think it speaks to his political acumen that this is what he decides to talk about. Well lance allen says republicans have been losing in recent years because they haven't had enough backbone now on the campaign trail. This is like the polar opposite of what glenn davis is trying to do. Here's what allen says about that. We caved on issue after issue after issue. And i'm tired of compromising my values just so we can have a little bit of power. It's time to stand up and say the things that we know as republicans that we need to say. So is this argument. That is going to win among this this convention crowd and i also david ramadan. I'm curious about the thomas brought up earlier. Which is this ranked choice voting. So what do you make of this. Sort of polar opposites here between what alan is saying. And what davis is saying. This is a message targeted to the convention crowd. And even though it's the opposite of what glenn davis is saying. He basically joins davis in attacking though suddenly here the leadership off cox Kirk cox Has given in on tax increase in virginia and shepherd the highest tax increase in the transportation plan few years ago as speaker. He worked on obamacare and expanded that in virginia and those are two off his weaknesses in the in the giving to'real race on on the republican side Which obviously allen here is using and joining glenn davis and attacking leadership. It's a message to the base. It's a message to the convention goers. I still don't think it's enough to really get some traction here. He also asserts that republicans have caved on issue after issue but republicans have been the party of no for over a decade now and they didn't cave they got beat. Is that simple. So allen's pitching himself as the everyman guy most like you. I don't have any big friends. I don't have any special endorsement. I'm a guy who got frustrated with politics. And i decided to be the change that i wanted to see. Is it possible. David ramadan that the lack of endorsements could be to benefit after twenty sixteen and after donald trump became the nominee and then the president of the united states. Everything is possible nowadays but is it likely. Now it's not all right. Let's take another break when we come back we'll talk about who need alleluia and maeve regular. If you want a benefit from pay to play now you can buy joining transitions. Virginia's exclusive patriotic community chip as little as three dollars to help us produce. This podcast sustaining members. Get their questions asked on the show. Which means you know the next guest before the episode comes up so if you want us to ask questions or even if you just want to support the show hop over to transition virginia dot com and click the orange button to become a patriot patron today and we're back on transition. Virginia were talking about the republican candidates. For lieutenant governor now next up is businessman puneet ottawa. Unfortunately he did not participate in the chasing freedom forum. That's where i've been getting all the soundbites that we've been using so i don't have that kind of sound from him but he does have several videos on youtube and this is how he introduces himself on youtube whether you're white black or the first generation going like me we're all responsible to make this wonderful country work. We have to demand our leaders fight for small businesses. Excellence in education and keeping up police funded on neighborhoods are safe yet. Another immigrant story. What do we make this introduction. Pony is an activist who has been involved in republican. Party specially in fairfax virginia for several years actually probably a couple of decades and he has been involved in trying to build the immigrant base Within the republican party and he's done some good work however unfortunately all that work was eroded in the last few years and whatever work he did like the work that i did is no longer a useful or applicable To elections today so again another immigrant story and other feel-good story yet an electorate. That really doesn't care for despite claiming that they do. Yeah i think he's got good instincts on what he wants to care about issues. Small business education know and police funding as a misunderstanding of what the policy is actually is being proposed but you know until the republican party can pivot and be pro-immigrant allies. Just running in the wrong race now in terms of issues thomas. You just mentioned several. He hit up there in his youtube. Introduction one issue that he has a whole separate youtube video about and this is a theme among these candidates is critical race theory. I have a prediction that throughout this campaign season we're going to hear republicans talking about critical race theory. So this is what he had to say about it in his video on this subject. Critical race series. America's hopelessly tainted by the boys of racism. And how does that prepare children to be. Scientists engineers poyet's and teachers doesn't critical race. Terry has been thoroughly discredited. All in does teach children to divide to hate to see themselves as victims oppressors. It leads to lower achievement and more quotas. America conley lead the world when we don't even believe in our values but that's what leftist progressive warrenton. Virginia david ramadan. Is this really an issue that is going to resonate with people on the campaign trail. Why is everybody talking about this Because there is a lack off. Resignation issues This is this is going to backfire. No it's not gonna It's gonna backfire and this reminds me of the fight. The republican side had put up against climate change in accepting the fact that there is climate change. Now we need a new issue so okay. This fits within the this. This charged atmosphere So let's play this once. One of them plays that everybody plays and becomes a snowball effect. It will backfire. It's not it's not a general election issue. It's a it's probably the smallest of the smallest issue that's gonna work four convention as well and I don't think we'll we'll hear much of it after As backfires in general elections Except among the extreme segment of the party which does not want us. He's he's simply here is again plan to the to the atmosphere of today's election which really has been referred to a silly season before and and i agree it silly season and will continue to be silly season until the conventions over. Yeah i mean. I don't know how you could possibly save critical race series been thoroughly discredited when it's white supremacy was the very tenant upon which many institutions were founded in this country and it just is what it is. It doesn't say anything about the generations who are alive today whether they'd benefit from it or they don't benefit from it. It's just a simple fact. And yeah. It was so pervasive as we peel back the onion layers. We come to understand. Just how much it's influenced and to me the strikes me similarly to you. David this is just another republican. Sticking their head in the sand look putting on my shore. School had again. It's a theory by definition is theory is an idea that is open for discussion. You agree with you can disagree with you could show evidence for or against but this is not you know h two o chemistry that you could simply discredit or simply proof. So a claim that it's a discredited theory is not up to par on an intellectual level. Yeah also point out that being on the opposite side of the civil rights movement and activists is not where you want to be in twenty twenty one and yet another shout for the sharks excellent job. David ramadan your check in the mail. Okay so the last candidate we're going to talk about is maeve regular now. She did not appear on the chasing freedom forum and she doesn't have a youtube channel in fact she doesn't appear to have much of an online presence at all. She did run way back in the year. Two thousand so more than twenty years ago she was one of the republicans who was hoping to take on jim moran in the eighth congressional district so she's a lawyer from alexandria and she does have this political history where she was an unsuccessful candidate. Twenty years ago. David roman what would make this last minute entrance into. The lieutenant governor's race never heard of the name until today never seen anything until today did a quick search as you mentioned. There's nothing on social media the political like myself for the last twenty. Five years never heard the name from northern virginia. I doubt that The ninety plus percent of attendees that'll be from rover at a convention or going to even register that there is a candidate by any. Yeah i mean. I know nothing about this woman. I didn't know that she was previous candidate. Until you told me. Michael there's absolutely zero social media presence which is incredibly rare for an elected official or aspiring elected official rather end so strikes me that this person is simply just not a credible candidate. Okay one last question before we wrap it up. We touched on this a little bit. But i want to make sure that i get my arms around this to the extent that we can the influence of ranked choice voting and. I think it's impossible to overstate. How actually important and influential this is going to be an untested. The republicans have done any sort of ranked choice voting system like this and so what do we make here of these of the influence that ranked choice voting is going to have in this convention wild card. You know it's similar but a little different than simply having multiple ballots because people are not going to stay there to have the multiple ballots So it's going to give a better chance for the lower known names than they would normally have however it is a wildcard in primary versus a convention ranked choice would have a higher effect. Then it's gonna do here at this convention. Professor saboteur tweets at about a couple of days ago into the discussion on ranked choice coming up in the democratic primary especially on the story level whereby mathematically you can have somebody who could only got thirty forty percent of the vote and up with the nation on the energy level somebody on the democratic side. You could have somebody with less than fifteen percent of the vote and they end up having enough nation because there is no ranked choice. So i assume we're gonna talk more about ranked choice in virginia politics. I assume this discussion for Legislators years to come especially after the experience on the republican side this year and it it is something that we're seeing on a national level in different states. Wild card and only time will tell. How's this gonna play off. Yeah and traditionally to a wide field or more than two candidate field. You can win. There's not one singularly super popular candidate. You can actually win a ranked choice ballot by pitching yourself as everybody's second choice. And that's actually. How abraham lincoln one when we had a bunch of very popular individual candidates within their cliques and within their specific niche but none of them had the ability to garner a majority right. And so you might see something very similar this year in may where somebody perhaps glenn davis could very easily pushed to be. Everybody's second choice on the ballot. It is really interesting. That it sort of removes the possibility of the dark horse that no one has ever heard of emerging victorious the e w jackson being the best example of this who showed up at the convention and made a speech the people like or maybe they you know were just the last person standing for everybody else got knocked down so it really does sort of changed. The dynamics of who might emerge victorious. Whether or not. Glenn davis is going to be people second choice. Though i'm not. I mean this is a group of people who don't want to go. The i mean it's you know it seems to me. It's a hard argument to make that. The republican party should be going to the middle in terms of making that argument to republican convention goers. But i don't know. I guess we're going to have to see david ramadan and put you on the spot here right at the very end. Do you have any predictions in terms of who is victorious. Or maybe even who does well and in terms of multiple candidates in this lieutenant governor convention them hugo to hugo remains. He has all the aspects needed to win this to win this race. He has the station is money is experience. He had the political team. That's working at and he has the credentials of the conservative credentials Within within the party and the experience To an how about number two There i really cannot pin number new because of what we just discussed on having that wildcard In in in the way that they're going to run it well michael before we go. I want to give a quick shout to the three new patriots. We've gotten since the last episode caitlyn matthew and lee. thanks so much for supporting transition virginia. That's all right now. Thank you for listening to transition virginia. 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NPR News: 01-20-2020 2AM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 01-20-2020 2AM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Nora Raum. Thousands of gun rights supporters are expected to rally at the Virginia State capital Monday armed militia groups including white supremacists have also said they'll attend Craig carper from member station. VPN reports for most lawmakers. It will be a regular Taylor workday. A small number of lawmakers have said they won't attend for fear of violence though Republican delegate Glenn Davis believes the majority of protesters will peacefully rally in support of their right to bear arms. These are average people in our communities. They're coming up here to lobby for the protection of the rights to build to protect their families and their loved ones before the rally democratic delegate Danika Rome will make history when she becomes the First Trans Woman ever in Virginia to gavel in a House subcommittee saw narrowly thinking much. It's about outside capital governor. Ralph nor them has declared a state of emergency banning guns and other weapons within capitol grounds though thousands of armed protesters are expected surround the perimeter for NPR news. I'm Craig Corpor- in Richmond. The trial of president trump resumes in the Senate. Tuesday senators are to determine if the president should be removed from office because of his dealings with Ukraine and his response to the House investigation. The lead house impeachment manager is Adam. Schiff the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee he told. ABC's this week intelligence agencies may be holding back relevant documents. We're counting on the intelligence community. Not only only the speak truth to power but to To resist pressure from the administration to withhold information from Congress because the administration fears. Here's at bay incriminate. Them a spokeswoman says the intelligence community is working in good faith with Congress Democratic Hopefuls Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth. Warren have been trying to move beyond a dispute over whether he told her a woman could not beat president trump. NPR's Scott detrow reports. Sanders addressed the subject in a New Hampshire Public Radio Interviews Sunday Warren Sanders told her in two thousand eighteen. A woman couldn't beat trump. Sanders says he never said that and after the last debate both were hurt accusing the other of calling them a liar but asked by HP our weather gender is still an obstacle for candidates. Sanders said. And I think the answer is yes but I think everybody has has thrown sets of problems are up seventy years of age. That's the problem in Iowa. Warren refused to respond. I have no further comment on this. I have no further comment on this dispute it matters because so many Democrats have said that electability that is who they think can beat. Trump is their most important voting and caucusing issue Scott detro- NPR news. Damone Iowa. The New York Times is endorsing to women for the Democratic Nomination for President Warren. And Senator Amy Klobuchar saying they're the most affective advocates for the progressive end moderate size of the party. It said may the best woman win this is NPR news from Washington. Public health officials in China's. Say they've confirmed more cases of a new form of viral. Pneumonia bringing the total to about one hundred eighty. A third death has has been reported for the first time cases are being reported beyond one southern city in China officials are concerned about the spread of the disease as China gears. There's up for the Lunar New Year holidays later this week. When hundreds of millions of Chinese travel domestically and abroad South Korea has now reported its first confirmed case? Ace of the virus. An American jazz master has died at the age of ninety three is NPR's Neda ulaby reports. Jimmy Heath died Sunday at his home in Georgia Georgia. Somewhere right now Jimmy. Heath may be playing with former bandmates including John Coltrane Miles Davis Dizzy. Gillespie and Percy Heath. The heath brothers were one of the great families of John's Jimmy Heath played tenor sax as a young man who was on the fast track to just start a before a heroin bust in nineteen fifty five. He kicked the habitant prison and soon became known for superb arrangements and compositions like this one and his talents as an educator. Jimmy Heath was nicknamed Little Bird because his playing reminded fans of Charlie Parker and because he was only five foot three known for his humor to me he titled His Memoir. I walked with giants Netto. NPR News The San Francisco. Forty niners beat the Green Bay packers thirty seven to twenty Sunday. They advance to the Super Bowl. We'll face the Kansas city chiefs. Who beat the Tennessee? Titans thirty five to twenty four earlier in the day. The Super Bowl will be played on February. Second I'm Nora Raum N._P._R.. News in Washington.

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The Roswell Incident - Dos Spookquenos Series Premiere

True Consequences

48:59 min | 10 months ago

The Roswell Incident - Dos Spookquenos Series Premiere

"Hi I'm Eric Carter Dean, you might know me from true consequences podcast and I'm Alexander you may not know me at all and we are does Buchen in. Join US weekly as we tell you all about the paranormal into Mexico, we will cover aliens, ghosts, and other weird happenings and phenomena. You can find. Whatever you get your favorite podcasts stay spooky and don't forget to rate. Subscribe and review those. Look for us on Facebook, instagram and twitter at those spooky news piece. Look deeper. AW This is. Are funnier. Look at the paranormal in New Mexico you're cogos? Eric Carter Line Dean. Alex, WHAT'S UP ALEX? Doing I am doing fucking good man I'm excited about our new show. Yeah, be to my man. I think we're GONNA. Have Fun! Yeah, it's GonNa. Be a blast so if you don't know, Alex is a good friend of mine who's been on a couple of episodes true consequences. and. We both decided we wanted to do some crazy shit and focus on paranormal stuff in new. Mexico and we came up with this concept. So that's exciting. We've been talking about this case for a long time. I feel like we've been talking about it for several months. Already. Just mean you yeah. Yeah, it's least been several months. This is something that I wanted to do on true consequences, but it makes more sense I. think on those bucaneers so. I'm excited just so you guys know this is not gonna be nearly as serious as true consequences was You get to see like the silly side of me and Alex 'cause. Alex's crazy on and a lot of funding out with some excited to do this. Okay enough blabbering. So today we're discussing the most infamous UFO alien case in the world when that rock country and continues to be a discussion of conspiracy theorists and alien enthusiasts. We're gonNA kind of tell the story together and. I was honestly Alex like I was not expecting this to be what it turned into is we started researching it like I-? I- legitimately didn't know about all the stuff that that we found so. I'm excited to share this with people who allow detail is a lot of detail, but. I don't know like part of me was really hoping that we would have been like. We found the aliens and here's the proof, yeah. Yeah. We'll see. Yeah. We will have to wait, and there's still hope we can still find them. So it all began in a tiny new. Mexico town, which was called Roswell Still Call Roswell and nineteen, forty seven. This event happened. Roswell is a town in South Eastern New Mexico. It starts to look more like Texas around they're. Starting to get more flat. Not, as big mountains, maybe some hills and things like that, but still very desert. Lot of ranchland lot of farming. And it is Roswell of course is home to the most famous ufo incident in the world. Currently the Population Roswell, nearly forty seven thousand people, and it is the fifth largest city in New Mexico. Yeah, it says a lot about how big New Mexico is. If that's the flirted large. Yeah, Forty, seven thousand yeah, I think the second largest is like ninety, nine, thousand or something like that, maybe a hundred thousand. So Roy was also homes new, Mexico. Military Institute, which is a boarding school for youth that need more discipline in their lives are. People's families like where I grew up in Sapporo would always threaten their kids to send them. There might folks to that all the time. I didn't think they're actually real places I'd they resist a now? TV just to scare kids, not it's in Roswell. It's there. It's real. In nineteen forty seven, the population was estimated to be around twenty, five, thousand and something important to note as Roswell is fairly close to white sands, missile range as well as the trinity site where the first nuclear bomb was detonated in the US. Have you've been out there? Yeah Yeah. Called a the valley of fire through there. That's call the valley of fire, so for those of you who are listening and other places of the country in the world. There's this Sophie Highway. Two eighty five is what the highway is, maybe maybe. One eighty five is something like that anyway, so you go from my hometown, you drive about twenty miles south on I twenty five. Take a left any drive. Past Riodosa past, Carrizo. Through all these places. and. There's just one part where it's all just like lava rock, so there was a massive panic eruption and everywhere you look is black, except for like the Cedar, trees and stuff that are popping up around. I've seen a ton of tarantulas there before like in the fall every year. The Tarantula immigration happens in southern New Mexico, and like you're just driving down the highway, and you just like hit him crunching under your tires. I'm so glad. I haven't seen that I've only come across tranche La in new. Mexico in the wild. What would you say if I told you out of my car? I mean translates I guess translates. Don't scare me as much as other spiders yeah I mean they're not venomous to humanity. You know and they're pretty gentle. Gentle They just walked over my shoes and stuff. Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of them no way. That's crazy. Yeah, it was fun. I like to so if you are into that kind of stuff, go check it out. It's usually like in October. November timeframe. And he just they just. Feel like running over spiders, hundreds of thousands of spiders on the road. It's crazy. Anyway so that whole area is is a really cool area There's a little scenic lookout and stuff, and that's on the way to Roswell and. Roswell eventually just became super famous for the UFO incident, but that would take some time does does take some time. Twenty odd years at least rain. So sometime in June nineteen, forty, seven William Brazzale, a local ranch hand discovered some debris in a field. He described the debris as a large area of bright wreckage made up of rubber strips ten foil. A rather tough paper and sticks. When he says sticks. Do you think he means like Lake? Would also would stakes probably were like sticks from a tree? He's a slam to say. It's just A. Sounds like a bunch of garbage. Right like it sounds like it was. Someone went to the landed. Drop some stuff. So he later came back to retrieve the materials with his family, and on July fifth, he heard reports of flying discs and he wondered. He wondered if he actually found some parts of a bona fide. UFO You're welcome, buddy. Thank you. On July Seventh Brazil saw Sheriff Wilcox whispered kind of confidential like. Way. Of confidential confidential. that. He may have found a flying disc. Goes. In the sheriff's office like. Hey. I tell you a secret. Takes on the copied intially lack. And this was the beginning of a massive FO- conspiracy that spanned decades. Still hear about it now. Yeah, deficient story from the government was that what browser found was nothing more than just weather balloon parts that had crashed which when you think about what he had talked about what he had found, unlike okay rumors began to spin out though in a small community of Roswell people suspected extraterrestrial sources as the cause of the crash. several theories rest were floating around that one or more spacecraft had crashed landed in Roswell ended the ailing patients of the crash were recovered by the government and that the military had used the weather balloon as a cover mut. Doesn't sound like something they would do. The government doesn't lie to US. Cover things. anyway. Eventually High FBI. Eventually, the story from the military would change several times at least for the most recent officials story that was released as part of a freedom of information. Act Request was that what was found were parts of a balloon device now so the device was connected to a secret program in which the government was said, setting up a sonic detectors to determine at the US s are which is what it was called, then had created an atomic weapon or not. Crazy yeah How would? I don't even know how a balloon would. Detect that well. They had these sensors attached to the balloons. So that was what the the FBI and the CIA release when they release these documents. Was the the declassified that project? It was called project mobile and. They sent the sensors up into the upper atmosphere that could detect sonic by brations from faraway. Okay, I see with percents, so that makes sense. Yeah, but the balloon was the carrier. Okay yeah, so, but what they had resolved had found. Where just the remnants of this you know allegedly alleged And this was a time when the idea of visitors from another planet was sweeping, the nation, and the world can ask a question though for everybody was this also a time when people confused paper and foil and sticks in tape for UFO's I think so can't just checking and nothing says you know. Enter space. Travel Labor Paper Tin Foil. And sticks. Maybe a little pieces of rubber. But like I. Am sorry time when the idea of visitors from other planets, though is sweeping the nation in the world, and even the rumors and gossip spread that were know the flying discs in the Roswell area, the military had brush it off as just the weather balloon and with Time Roswell just went back to being the quiet little southwestern town that it is, and it stayed that way until the seventy s and in the seventies, science fiction was a big thing. I mean Star Wars Alien Scientology Holly Achievement. Close encounters of the third kind in during this time period, people called UFOLOGISTS you. UFO allergists that they're hot. You know started talking about different conspiracy theories involving the incident in Roswell in nineteen, forty seven. Roswell had been described as the world's most famous, most exhaustively investigated and most thoroughly debunked ufo claim that breaks my heart. Can does kind of break my heart a little bit, too. I just want to be true. But. Let's go back to that day. One thousand, nine, hundred, ninety seven. I'm there every white? Everything's black and white and everything's starched. My whole outfit starched my my socks Sir iron. My Hair starched hairstyle starts. This man called Sheriff Wilcox called on the military and Major Jesse Marcel as well as Lieutenant Colonel Sheridan Cabot and Master Sergeant Bill. It and arrived at the ranch. We were more pieces of debris were found. I just saved those names. All sound made up. They absolutely probably are made up. I completely agree okay. Want to put that out there they found collected and analyzed more pieces of the debris K. I don't even know her either. Debray Debra Debra. Eight though nineteen, forty seven Roswell Army airfield. Public Information Officer Walter Hot. Issued hot so hot, so hot issued a press release, which claimed personnel from the fields, five hundred ninth operations group had recovered a flying disc. All of which had crashed on a ranch near Roswell wait said this was the first. Statement that the air. Would become the air force. Put out was that it was a flying disc? Yeah, they changed it. Pretty fast. Okay, but however the excitement around that fact that there were you know might have been a UFO. Fans started to build. I witnessed his started coming out, and seeing all these crazy things about it, giving their own a fascinating accounts of the mysterious object. Idea that alien bodies had been recovered from the crash site to Lee crap so. That is just insane and also like growing up in a small town in Mexico. I know how quickly that got out of hand like you know everyone's cousins, aunts and everybody just shows up. A me too I saw a saw to yeah. No no I I saw the aliens they were. They were Allegri Green Gray dray. Source to Sahal short- shorter. Tallest short. And they were. Fairly. NO NO SKINNY! Yeah crazy. They're also daily record, however described it in the July ninth, which is the next day addition as follows quote, the balloon which held it up if that's how it worked must have been twelve feet long. Brazzale felt measuring the distance by size of the room in which he sat, the rubber was smokey, gray in color in scattered over an area about two hundred yards in diameter when the debris was gathered up the tin foil paper tape ends, sticks made a bundle about three feet long. And seven or eight inches thick, so it's not very much. And while the rubbermaid, a bundle of about eighteen to twenty inches long and about eight inches thick in all, he estimated the entire lot would we'd maybe five pounds? Case so are we actually saying that? This is a spaceship will. Of spatial I guess like what is my definition of what a spaceship is or what it would look like you know. I'm not I don't know. Maybe maybe it's nothing at all. Maybe it's barely anything you know. Maybe that's what it takes to be able to travel through spaces. Super Super Light, nothing materials. There was an sign of any metal, though in the area which might have been used for an engine, and no sign of any propellers of any kind, although at least one paper thin, had been glued to on tin foil there, Renault, no words to be found anywhere on the instrument there were letters on some of the parts, considerable scotch tape, and some tape with flowers, and it were printed upon it had been used in construction. No strings or wires were to be found, but there were some islets in the paper to indicate. Some sort of attachment might have been used, did you? Did. You say that there was flour scotch tape. Yeah, you don't have that on the spaceship. Yeah, okay, okay, there hippie. Maybe they are. Maybe it. Was that time, right? No. It was before that time it was before. Maybe it's like a back to the future thing. Where they came like Mardi mic fly, and they and they brought Hippie nece. To the US thirteen years before it started. Then tastic theory, yeah! I'm bringing you the cutting edge reporting here. This is quality journalism. Why are you laughing? Why are you laughing? It's. Funny, that's. Bite me. Okay, so yeah, paper flower Scotch tape and paper paper flower. So what do you think? No! You Mean No. That does not sell like that sounds like a second grade. Crafts project. Or. Do you think it's possible that that's what the military wanted US sitting around? Okay 'cause I just find it strange. They did release a statement calling it a flying disc, but then the next day. It's completely different like how does that happen well? We'll wait by bad I. didn't I didn't mean disc? I didn't mean like a flying. Yeah I met a weather balloon allows. Sensors. You Know Hey. I don't know it makes sense. It's so weird. It is weird. Yeah, all right well. This is basically when they were just like. Yeah, that it's a weather balloon and in this Michael Ryan. Book a third kind. He says a telex sent a Federal Bureau of Investigation the FBI office from Fort Worth Texas Office quoted. From the eight airforce also based in Fort Worth at cars, a well as base on July eighth nineteen forty say seven as saying that the disc is hexagon all in shape, and was suspended from a balloon by cable, which balloon was approximately twenty feet in diameter and major curtain further advise at the object boundaries resembles out to weather balloon with a radar reflector, but the telephonic conversation between their office in right field had not in this part was not understood. born out of belief. and in his book the Secret Genesis of area fifty one td Barnes is quoted as saying the many rumors regarding the flying disc became a reality yesterday with the Intelligence Office of the five hundred Ninth Bomb Group of the Eighth Air Eight Air Force Roswell Army airfield was fortunate enough to gain possession of disc through the cooperation of one of the local ranchers and the sheriff's Office Chavis County The flying object landed on a ranch near Roswell sometime last week. And not having phone facilities, the rancher stored the disk until such time as he was able to contact sheriff's Office, who in turn notified the Major Jesse? A Marcel of the five hundred Ninth Bomb Group. Intelligence Office action was immediately taken, and the disc was picked up at the ranchers home, and was inspected at the Roswell Army airfield and subsequently loaned by Major Marcel to higher headquarters. Okay, so, is that a fucking disc or not? It's. confusing like I'm hearing reports bits of debris, and now I'm hearing disc again. I don't. Make much sense stressed out. Take a deep breath. So. You might remember that in the forties. The US was kind of working furiously to develop an atomic weapon. Wait what you have. It happened new. Mexico was center stage for the development of the atomic bomb. Don't believe me, you can listen to the spies episode of true consequences Oh. Plug! Sorry, sorry, sorry. many believe that the military decided to conceal the true purpose of the crash device, which was nuclear test monitoring, and instead informed the public that it was all just a crash from a weather balloon Caso, but later on the press reported that general rank Ramey had said that a weather balloon was covered by the Roswell Army airfield, which would later be known as the Air Force. Did you know that the army? It was called the Army Air Force before it became the air. Force did not actually at Philly. Kanak, I did, but that's like lost all. As a long time ago. Later a press conference was held, and the debris was shown to everyone. Foil rubber band, and. Rubber bands rubber and wood, which was said to be from the crashed object, which matched the weather balloon theory gay, so story on Robert Goldsmith wrote the intended effect was achieved, and the story died the next day DUNTON tongue or It did FIZZLE, though if fizzle from the news and was barred from the People's buying for the next thirty plus years and then. In Nineteen, seventy eight in the early nineteen nineties ufo researchers interviewed several hundred people who claimed to have had a connection with the events at Roswell in nineteen forty seven hundreds of documents were obtained by of Information Act request and rumors began to swell and spread throughout the US and the world investigators concluded concluded at least one alien spacecraft crashed at Roswell Alien bodies have been recovered, and that the man or the government covered up the incident and blamed a weather balloon. Today sponsor is hero cosmetics. They sent me over the mighty patch, which is a hydrocare Lloyd, patch, and if you're like me and struggle with adult acne, this thing is a lifesaver. I've had several pimples over the last few weeks and every time they pop up I, slap a patch on and the next day. It's totally flat. It's so cool if you want to try the patch for yourself, use code true. Fifteen fifteen percent off on hero cosmetics dot com so I watched this interview with a man named W. Glenn Davis He was working as an undertaker in Roswell at the time. MORTICIAN, more like an undertaker at a funeral home. In the. Is it a mortician. Things Oh man I dunno anywhere. He was an undertaker and he also had a contract with the Roswell. Army airfield, so he was like the. MORTICIAN undertaker guy for the base okay came, and he claims that he received a phone call on that night, asking what size were the smallest caskets that he had? And they wanted to know how many he had in stock. Okay, so he also claimed that they asked him how to preserve bodies that have been exposed to the elements. And that he also had a transport, an injured airmen to the base hospital in states that he was threatened by another airman for asking about erect aircraft. He heard about so. Is he talking about like a very short individual? No, this was actually like a person that he he was driving to the ER. The head got into a car wreck. Why did he need really short? Tact cast. That's what the air force base was asking him over there. They are asking. Yeah. They called him and asked him for the word short caskets. Yeah Kiosk gets yeah. Yeah, and that's not only what were the smallest ones he had, but how many he had. Okay, so they're talking multiple. Yeah, okay, and he's. He's he talks about like spinning of time on the phone with them, answering all their questions, but anyway he gets so he gets to the hospital this other airmen. He's like hey. I heard there was a crash aircraft somewhere outside of Roswell, and he's like you didn't hear anything. There's no there's no crash. Who Shut them down and he's like you need to get out of here. You'RE GONNA. Get in trouble. If you stay here any longer, and so as he was getting ready to leave, he started walking. He got a little bit lost. He ran and he says that he ran into a nurse. Okay, and she was working in the hospital. She described these strange creatures that she was working on. And allegedly. She even drew pictures for Davis. She said they were no more than four foot, tall with bluish colored skin. They had long skinny arms and fingers had tiny suction cups on them, and she was very shocked. Like freaked out and claim that these creatures look like nothing. She'd ever seen and smelled so horrible that it made her physically ill this this was at the base hospital. Kay He also states that she told him she never smelled anything like it. Dave this claim that the nurse was transferred to England like a couple of days later and that he was told she was later killed in military training accident, according to the Air Force. According to his interview, he believes she's still alive and there's controversy. There's a lot of controversy about his account. One of the problems. The nurse died allegedly allegedly, but there's the nurses also allegedly, so she You said. Yeah. Right Right! Yeah, so There's a lot of convenient. Yeah, there's a lot of problems with his account of these incidents in one of the biggest problems of the name he gave for the nurse. Whenever he was confronted by people that were investigating this and said this person never worked for the army airfield base in Roswell. He gave a new name after that. So he had to do a quick. Oh. Let me find someone that store. Hold on. Her name was share Soo- soon. Jennifer Sujit or for? A good name. Can Tell you get on the spot. I've. Really good. So this inconsistency as well as other inconsistencies in his story lead people to start really doubting the credibility of his account, but I did watch the interview Alex and like I. I wanted to believe him. He seemed pretty credible. Like a I don't know it might just because he reminded me and my Grandpa, because he's just like this good old boy who like you can tell kind of hard to believe that like an eight year old man would sit there and just lie straight to your face. Yeah, yeah, exactly go in, and he just sounded. He sounded so convincing, but then you know you hear that. He gave a name of somebody that doesn't exist in that starts to make you doubt. Maybe, he just couldn't remember or maybe gave him a false name. Who Because? She thought he was hitting on her? My name is was. Just. Pursue. Gender so the other thing he said is that he did see these beings that they were like burnt, and so I don't know, and then there's other people that say that these bodies were moved to a base in Michigan or something like. And the people there saw alien bodies Michigan Yeah. What was an Air Force Base? Okay, so the Air Force later claimed that the charred bodies that were being spoken about not just from Davis, but also all these other witnesses. Were in fact, crash test dummies. So apparently, it was common practice for the Air Force to tether several crash. Test Dummies the balloons. That the air force sent up and let them fall to the earth to test the impact, that type of fall would have on a body. So this is how the military away the bodies that multiple witnesses claimed to have seen. It doesn't explain why the Air Force called this guy if they actually did to ask what the smallest gasket they had was. Get an answer for everything, yeah, did anyone ever asked them about the tiny caskets? They were trying to get I mean. What would they even say? Yeah we're trying to get small caskets, so let don't worry about it the. Guy Yeah, so that's that's one of many problems that that we start to see with. Some of these eyewitness accounts scientific skeptic author. Brian Dunning believes that Davis is not a reliable or credible. As it took him nearly forty years to tell his story I mean that is also suspicious would think about it. Man I have a very hard time remembering things. I did two days ago yesterday I'm pretty good with one hundred percents. Days I'm like no I start sliding down that forgetting scale. Yeah, but. Beyond that Brian believes that Davis is telling poorly crafted story that will fit his narrative of an alien craft crashing near Roswell in. It's hard to know even really who to believe. Yeah Jesse Marcel. Another witness was interviewed by nuclear physicist and author. A Stanton. Friedman and Marcel is. To be the only person known to have accompanied the Roswell debris from where it was recovered to forth worth and this interview along with the interview, Davis and other witnesses lead to the resurgence of speculation hype around the Roswell incident, which all started in the nineteen eighties. I remember that kind of crazy stuff It was everywhere, yeah. Ensure. That Roswell got a huge boom in a visitors to. In Roswell. Marcel stated that actually this material may have looked like tinfoil and Balsa wood, but the resemblance ended there, and they took one picture of me on the floor, holding up some less interesting metallic debris. He's the dude holding up like foil in the picture. Yeah, okay, and the stuff in that one photo was pieces of actual stuff we found. It was not a staged photo so likely story. Goes again. The. Material Marcel positively identified as being part of what he recovered had been confirmed to be the debris from the balloon device. It was named by scientists and others in once he was aware of this. Marcel changed his story to say the backtracked and he backtracked and saying that it was. It wasn't the material that even saw okay wait, so he's like no it totally. Totally wasn't material. No way no, it was. It was though it wasn't that material weird. There were hundreds of alleged eye witnesses that came forward to be interviewed by investigators. Many skeptics and critics claimed that the fact that there are only a handful of people who actually saw any of the debris, and that it's unlikely that any of these so called eye witnesses are credible. Witness. Seem to be just parroting or kind of copying. What other people had said before? The number of actualite witnesses that can be cooperated with is actually closer to forty one, maybe five or so people having direct contact with the actual debris that was found. Wow, and so if that's just crazy like. People coming out of the woodwork I'm sure it's making it even harder for investigators to determine what it is then you have the military with their story. You have people's stories. Changing the actually allegedly saw things. It's insane that there's so much confusion. Yeah, I'm confused. Skeptics contended that marcel was prone to stretching the truth and would often make claims like the fact that he had been a pilot and receive five medals for shooting down enemy planes. Oh, shit, not true kind of fish. This big none of that ever happened. This led to many many to discount his claims and a quote from his son in the official report of the Roswell incident released by the Air Force is quoted as quote Jesse a Marcel. Son of late Major Jesse Marcel eleven years old at the time of the incident affidavit dated may six, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety one. There are three categories of debris, a thick foil like metallic gray substance, a brittle, Brown, black plastic like material like bake lite, and there were fragments of what happened, or what appeared to be I. Beams on the inner structure of the I beam. There appear. Appear to be a type of writing. This writing was purple with Purple Violet Hue and it had been embossed are and it had an embossed appearance. The figures were comprised of curved geometric shapes, had no resemblance to Russian, Japanese or any other foreign language. It resembled hieroglyphics, but it had no animal like characters who that kind of is one point for the alien side of things, yeah! Aside from the foil like metallic gray substance what is Bake lite I? Don't I imagine it's probably like a silicone, maybe wondering if for. I don't know it's like back elite alita actually. Buck Alita so so he's basically like I. Don't know. It's different from. Like all of that sounds so different from everything. That's been said. It, she changed the game. Yeah, he's like no. Some more info for that ass. Photo asset s there were several problems with most of the eye witnesses from information that was provided secondhand two issues with credibility. Due to witnesses, making false and or contradictory statements to dubious deathbed confessions. Accounts from elderly and easily confused witnesses. The visa issue that was found was that many of the witnesses came forward decades after the event, and some took even as long as forty years so like Alex was saying. I'm not sure about you guys, but if you asked me something that happened last month, I probably have a hard time remembering exactly like people tell me. Oh you said this and like no. I didn't say that, but I never said I. I probably did say that I just don't remember so. It's pretty concerning and problematic. They're giving statements so much later as well as I think we all know that your memory can be influenced by time and the way you see things a suggestion suggestion. I think that like I watched a a some kind of show I don't remember what it was, but they were showing how eyewitness accounts can be very. Misleading sometimes, because super misleading, because they don't really pay attention to everything the way that they should. Well! It's not our fog now it's just there's a lot going on in the world. No, it's just it's not our brains. Work to collect that kind of detail. All the time you know, especially when something kind of shocking or scary happens right? Yeah and for somebody who likes to push like Marcel I. think that that's problematic for sure. Still the idea of alien visitation at Roswell became popularized in the nineteen nineties. Did Books Movies investigative reports unsolved mysteries all these things that we're trying to determine what actually happened in nineteen, forty, seven, and that sensationalism of the media reporting created a sue Nami of alien interest, an alleged sighting that was one of. Of, those people who was totally obsessed with the idea of Alien Life Aleksey I. Don't know about you, but I used to spend hours at the library. Reading everything related to Ufo's aliens and hut. Stuff is one of my favorite books. in course man. It was the nineties. That's the that's absolutely where everyone's head was at yeah I, read this book called Communion I WanNa save his communion scariest book. Fiction. No supposed- not heads on high. You re things not according to the author I know also based on true story according to him according to him. But it it it. You know that's aliens. Still that'd be WanNa know about things like that. Doesn't make any sense to look at our vast universe ending that we're though you know narcissistic of us. We're the only people around you know the only being like whatever lean all life. in this vast universe of ours on it's it's pretty asinine to think otherwise it'd be pretty immature to be like Oh God. You know. Earth is the only place that we actually have life. Yeah, I. Agree With You I think that it's It's more likely that there is life elsewhere. But that I think that term could also be. Different. What does that mean exactly as it bacteria? Is it a humanoid, is it? There have eight arms eight is. What we always think they are I. think question is like is. Is there intelligent life? Yeah, yeah, I think there might be. There has to be yeah. I think it'd be I. Really do think he'd be kind of silly to know. Earth is the only place because if that's the case. A hope that there's something better out there. Well then either things like. You know some of the things that physicists are are discovering related to the possibility of multiple dimensions and multiple Universes, occurring at the same time, and all those things that are totally fascinating and above my head. Yeah, but it's crazy. It's crazy so to say that it's not possible I. Think is you're right. I think it's arrogant. I super area. Yeah I. I don't think it's realistic. Well, anthropologist Susan, harding and Kathleen Stewart assert that the Roswell story showed clearly how the fringe theory mood from obscure and unknown to a public frenzy of conspiracy theories and you know this was kind of. Of due to the public obsession with conspiracy, and cover up and repression that was rampant in the nineteen eighties, it also led to several sensationalize books. Being published about the incident, there were two reports submitted by the Air Force response pressure from the public and legislators to determine the real story behind the mythical. Roswell incident, I guess we can call it mythical to yeah I mean this is the everyone's heard it. E-commerce Urban Legend is become urban myth. The in the first one released in ninety four discusses the opinion that what Brazzale founded nineteen forty seven was part of the mogul program. Gus earlier to determine if the USSR had in fact developed nuclear weapon. I just think that these two reports including the one, the second one was which was released. They. You know they're both. Trying to do damage control and a in this happened, you know in the late nineties and like I don't know if you've seen the first report, but it's like a giant book. It's huge a lot of INFO I couldn't even read it if I wanted to like and I don't want to too long to snoozing, yeah! And plus I don't know if I believe it. If I believe I want to, I. Do want to I. Don't know if I believe the government story either though I. Don't believe any Yeah, I don't believe the guys that said they saw something and unbelievable. The said today saw nothing. I feel like sometimes. People say things just for ordering. Yeah. I feel like the government might say sometimes just to cover things up or just a distract your just to distract. Political second report released in Nineteen. Ninety seven That the reports of recovered, alien bodies were likely a combination of innocently transformed memories of accidents, involving military casualties with memories of the recovery of Anamour. FIC- dummies in military programs, such as one thousand nine hundred fifty s operation hide. I've That's crazy name. They just took like dummies. Way Up High DNA, drop them is. Like. Let's see what happens. Let's see. Let's see what happens will be cool. That would mix with hoaxes perpetrated by various witnesses and UFO proponents now the psychological effects of time, compression and confusion about what events occurred explained discrepancy with the years in question, so this was all quoted from the second report that was released by the Air Force. Yes, okay, wow, I mean. Okay maybe. I think I think that that's probably some of that's probably true. So the Air Force reports were not accepted by you enthusiast yet don't say. They're like nope. Not, GONNA cut slick. Tilling. SCIENTOLOGISTS XENOS NOT NOT GONNA. Come for them? They're not going to believe you. Eric said that I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA get. Don't come at me. They're going to start stalking me. They felt that the reports were either false or unlikely. And on the other side, skeptics were convinced that there were not. Really any alien or ufo sightings at Roswell ever ever okay So several books were released in response to the Air Force reports, which were counter-claiming. What the Air Force said, but there are also books that were released that were supporting the claims of of the air force, so there was both sides of it, but it was creating this whole buzz. And despite the evidence, a growing movement and Terrorists and alien enthusiasts. enthusiasts. Insist that there were in fact alien encounters in Roswell in nineteen, forty seven, and the city of course has embraced this and created a campy fund alien experience from the UFO shape. McDonald's to the towering alien at the local dunkin' Roswell has fully embraced the alien story and turn it into a boon for tourism. Have you been there? I have alike Roswell. Yeah, it's it's a cool spots. It's weird and cool. It's like so it's like a small town in New Mexico, but it's also got its own quirk to jet every thing. Everything is alien. It seems alien lamp posts. It's awesome. It's Kinda. Cool to walk around. The museum is fantastic on its in the people. There are awesome, so I think we should like. Do those Spook annuals trip? Do the UFO festival that idea we can bring people that are listening to the show with us, and not a bad idea. Do Live streaming live show shit! That'd be cool all right? That's on the list. Guys unless you don't want to. You can email us at Spook annuals and Jima Dot com if you don't want to. Don't don't. Don't. You keep you know what forget it. Already being disrespectful to us. Comfort, comfort the. Come for the paranormal stay. PROCREATE giggling day for the abuse. shit the excitement and around aliens would not calm down, either when in one, thousand, nine hundred ninety s, someone released video of an alleged alien autopsied. You remember that yes, I do in. I saw I was like legit. This is real. This is totally real. This is. This is finally shared for everyone to know it's the truth that's out there. Man. Yeah, so that was allegedly filmed react earn relation to the Roswell incident, and it created a huge uproar. And excitement in the world. As it was shown on every local news station around the world. Oh is awesome to it was. It looks legit? They did a great. It looks like a secret covered up video of government experiments for sure. It's like what you expect it to be. So the creator of the film lasting until he eventually admitted that it was staged, but claimed that it was all based on actual footage. Which of course is loss? The He side, but he saw it. To show. Cool Story Bro. Yeah. So as time went on, it became increasingly difficult for the government to keep a lid on tough super secret aspects of what happened. Which is why the released the information about project mogul, which was not something that was supposed to be public knowledge, especially during the Cold War, eventually, the government started releasing some of the classified files related to UFO's and alien sightings. Even up to this year there were some new files that were released. Yeah I haven't checked out yet. I've seen video I've seen the video from the Air Force Navy was the Shit, but there there is little tic tax. They watched flying around really, and it's pretty interesting stuff. so this has done little to quell the excitement and rumors about the Roswell incident. Believers will still believe and skeptics will still skeptic. Yeah, haters going to hate. skeptic I'd like to be proven. Wrong I want to believe honestly I. DO I want to believe that something has come and visited us and I? Want to believe that there is life outside of this planet. I really do believe there's something else. I just planet do I believe that maybe aliens visit us as much as we want them to visit us now. I think a lot of the things we see can be explained away sometimes. Do you think of aliens have visited? US D think that they are malicious. I hope not. You know Like. We're just some part of some reality. Show of theirs Yeah Yeah. We're sitting up shipping ship going Let's watch what's going on on earth like South Park where they're like its earth. Season Twenty twenty you. Know! It was like aliens watching us on a reality show. kind of what was lately. Yeah, for sure. No, it does feel like that and I mean. What are your thoughts man? I'm a little heartbroken. After investigating this man because I really wanted like I really didn't know all of this stuff before we started looking into it and I really wanted to be true. I really wanted to have like a an actual alien. Story in New Mexico I just don't know what is true. Maybe maybe maybe I agree with Oh, you know. When you start digging a little deeper and start reading about these things it's it becomes a little bit more apparent that it's probably not what we want it to be. I do believe that aliens probably visited Earth, but you know who knows, we could have been some seed of the alien. Nuno! Yeah, well, anyway. 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American Ninja Warrior Season 11 | Atlanta City Qualifiers Recap

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American Ninja Warrior Season 11 | Atlanta City Qualifiers Recap

"And good morning everyone. I've got question. You answered be. Himselves because they're not that song. Barry. Hello, everyone and welcome to the American injure warrior. I hap- odd cast, I'm heroes term strong, and with me today is leader hiding Lita. I'm good. I am jet lagged. I just got back from Staten Island at I'm going to resist during a Scottish accent for entire podcast. Thank you. You're welcome. I mean, I know that you, you personally love my accent work after our failure. We didn't reminded of that. So rude. God. No. This whole podcast is just going to be lead interjecting actually, in Scotland, what happens is that. Maybe there's a Scottish American enjoy warrior. I didn't I didn't watch. We have a Scottish in July. There's probably somebody that runs in a kilt. Probably wouldn't wouldn't. I mean, you would know better than I as a Scottish native, I think you spent a lot more time in Scotland than your life, but I have. Noticed how how nobody has heard of it, though. How because you didn't go to Scotland during the run of this podcast. I think some people might be wondering why? There wasn't an episode last week. Yes. Well, it was because leader was in Scotland and also we knew the future, and we knew that there wouldn't be an episode this week. And so we decided that you had an episode last week. But no episode this week's what you really wanted, we could tell was podcast. Yeah. Exactly to make up for it, and people just needed time to marinate, in all of the secret life of pets merchandise, and just to really let it stink. In before we unpacked it for them. Yes, it was interesting watching this episode after securely. Truly came out knowing that did pretty poorly. The vox office did it because this movie has to have the largest advertising budget budget. I have ever seen in my life. It is its sponsors everything everything I have seen this sponsor. Like I have seen Spahn con for secret life of pets on so many different shows on Instagram like everywhere, like it showed up, like, I don't know, maybe doing the bachelorette or something. But I don't know there was like some other show that I watched like right after American enjoyer that also had secret life of pet spot. That's, that's cares. Well, I mean, I think the, the studio that had made this movie has had a pretty successful run of movies, and I think the first secret life of pets was a surprise hit. And so they were probably expecting this to do pretty well, yeah, oh, it was that they were they sponsored a progressive commercial during the bachelorette. But I had like just watched American Doriot was, like what is going on? And they have taken over everything. What studio is a I think it's just like aluminum or something can I have a hot take about this? I liked the figure of that stuff. I really likes the dog warped wall. I thought it was. It was. I mean, once we saw one dog go up at though, I felt like I'd seen a all go up. Yeah. I just feel like as far as like interlude content that is much more fun to watch than just like a trailer for Jurassic Park or Akbar. Harry Potter world. I guess I don't yeah. Yeah. See certainly better than that. I mean for as I go having, like cute animals hard to go wrong. Yeah. Exactly. Like they do a lot of stupid, sponsored stuff. And this was my favorite of all of them, especially Kevin Carbone's dog. Yes. My favorite was the dog that went up the steps. Yes. It's just a smart move. Yes. Clearly just outsmarted all of the other dogs, right? Speaking of nonsense, did you watch Matin Akbar's lip sync battle? I did not. So like fine. He did bus to move, and like didn't seem to know all of the words and it was like whatever he was wearing a wig. And then Matt, in full drag did believe by share like in share drag he had, like lingerie and fish nuts, and a leather jacket and bigwig of and didn't know all the words and it was fine with sync battle is never going to entertain me, but he clearly one there is a better lip sinker. Yeah, it was just a better choice of song. And you know, Matt looks good and drag. Okay. So we, we do have a course here to talk about in Atlanta. Episode two of seasonal Levin of American enjoyer. And this course starts with the shrinking steps then off the hook which was an obstacle where you basically grabbed little circle thing, some might say ring ring, you might call it. Which is on a it was less of a hook in more of a peg, I feel both of them were really Pegues, basically, you take it you swing. And then you have to pull it off the peg and landed on the next peg, which was on another swing thing. And then you swing across to the end seemed not super difficult. Well, obviously, it wasn't a hook the obstacles called off the hook not on the hook. I guess so. But it's still says that there's a hook. No, it says that there's no hook because you're off of it. But if you're off of it than it is still somewhere. It's somewhere in the world. There are folks. Sound like me right now. Thank you. So then from off the hook they go straight into block run, which is the agility obstacle the balance obstacle. It's a series of blocks, spin, as you run over them, and then into bouncing spider, which is you jump on a mini trampoline, a very mini trampoline into the spider wall thing that we all know in love, and then you drop from the spider wall onto I would call it. Like if there's okay here, here's what I'd say, I say, the first trampoline is a micro trampoline. And then the second trampoline is a mini trampoline, like micro USB and mini USB is micro smaller. Yes. Okay. That makes sense because they're both small you can't just say like small and medium, right? But we exactly but the, the mini is much bigger than. Micro and much more difficult to navigate. And so I, I don't know if this has been there before, but the certainly the first time I can remember them really talking about it a lot. There's a circle in the middle of the mini trampoline, that they have to bounce off of onto one of the three columns of I don't know what those things are made of foam. Maybe maybe. Made that one guys' face bleed. So maybe it's not foam. Yeah. It's probably somewhere between phobic cement. Are a lot of cement workers compete on the show. Seventy concrete or. So they have to grab onto one of those columns and swing over and dismount hook their leg around the theme above or. So they go from that onto another new obstacle called the ferris wheel, which was a to ferris wheels, essentially two circles of, of handles that you had to either climb up or down. And it would spin. So if you climbed up, then it would spin down cold on a crash down to the lowest point that it would go, then you had to transition to the next one and go up and down again. Or you could go the lower path, which is easier in the sense that you don't have to climb. But because it spins as you traverse. To the to the right further toward the end of the obstacle. It would spin and you'd have to transition more often. So we really only saw I think one person attempt the lower path pretty much. Everyone else went up, which I thought was interesting. I felt like it was maybe actually more. I don't know. It depends on your arm strength. But right. So my, my theory is that it's so towards the end of the course that I feel like you just wanna get through quicker, rather than just like take the time to let your arms burn out because it's going to be harder. But quicker to go the top way and it's going to be longer, but more strenuous, go the bottom way, I feel like maybe it's, it's like grip versus just like overall upper body, what's going to run out? I and I think most of the time you'd say grip which is why you'd probably go up to try to get through it as fast as possible. But if you're not like trained on how to go up, then I think you're probably going to burn through your grip, even faster as you try to go up because grip really hard reach up. So I feel like maybe maybe it would have been a good opportunity to try going lower. But none of them really did. So who knows what I know maybe they had better advice than, than I have watching it. Someone having better vacuum enjoy air, vice advice than you. I mean we know it's very unlikely but allowing for the possibility. Okay. That's very generous view. Then they head into the warped wall and the mega wall. And this episode finally, fulfilled. My predictions of a lot more people are going to go all the season. Yeah. So we get into the runs here. We start with Mindy Hilton the thirty nine year old marketing director, as she survived cancer, and her husband, divorced, her sad, sad. Yeah. And in the package, it seems like the ladder was much more devastating than the four. Yes. Initially just wrote her husband, divorced, her very sad, and they talked about her being a cancer survivor, and I was like, oh, okay, yeah, it seems like they're like, yes, she made it through cancer and like all of this awful stuff. But then her life was ruined. I have man leaving her. Is she? She when she made the when she went off the hook. She made the transition and then while she was still on the obstacle was just like kicking her legs. She was so excited. Yeah. It's so boy, she did way better than I thought she was going to considering that like right away. They hit her with the like she's had limited ninja training. But no matter what she does, is going to have fun out. The person's second obstacle so shit better than I thought I will say, I did feel like this course overall was, I would say, almost considerably easier than the previous one that we saw that we saw a lot of people make it to the fourth obstacle. We saw a lot of people complete, the whole course. I'm pretty sure that in the previous episode, the LA qualifying let me just take a quick look here. Yeah. We had a few people had four people qualify that were on spring forward. Which was, I think what the second or third obstacle spring forward was the third obstacle. So we had, we had four people call five from the third who failed, the third obstacle. We had three people qualified who failed at the fourth OB. Obstacle in in Atlanta. The only people that made it through to the finals failed at the ferris wheel the final of the second to last obstacle. So we had a lot of people get a lot further is the point. Yeah, maybe people in Atlanta are just way, more talented that people in Los Angeles. Maybe. So yes, she made it through off the hook Akbar tells us you just have to hit the white dot in the middle of the trampoline on balancing spider, but she does not quite manage to do that. She was a little little far forward, and she grabs the poll the column, but then falls back onto the trampoline, which disqualifies it. Yeah. Rude. You didn't call her a bam. Bam. Bam. On her shirt. Yeah. Apparently that stands for a bad ass, mom. Oh. I was wondering what what it was for. They set it. I mean it's not a real thing that exists. B A, M F is thing. Bam. Yeah. Yes. Bec- we're allowed to say that on this. I have never thought its way word in my entire life. Yes. Well, you know, I guess of all the mother acronyms I guess bam is not a bad one. All the mother Akron moms against drunk driving. Yes. Next up is Glenn Davis of fifty six year old gym owner. He's the oldest competitor of the night and Akbar's knocking to let us forget that. Yeah, is it legal to be older? Travis Rosen on the night, that Travis ours is competing. No. Because then they have to say one of the oldest competitors of the night, one Travis runs. Yeah. So rude and far is like, yeah. He's very in disbelief about this guy's age Hughes. Like I need to see this guys birth certificate, which in this day and age is the big Yikes for me. What he's not fifty six. I want to see purser ticket. Yeah. No. Does he have young as or old knees? Old enough to be grandfather and it's like, yeah, I mean technically anyone over like thirty is old enough to be a grandfather given like biology, but he is too old to be playing on a ferris wheel. The most grandfatherly of all rise at an amusement park besides maybe the merry go round. What does a grandfather play on the fares? We will play on a fairest wheel. Oh, unless you bring like a board game because it takes the wrong. I manage Marie as ferris wheel hater I am, too actually magnetic fan. Yeah. Because the fun part, it's not like I like heights because I like to be up high at amusement park. I don't mind heights because they are the way to do something fun to go up and then back down really fastened rollercoaster. But to be on a ride that takes you a pie just for the sake of it varies slowly, and then you just have to sit there, not my thing, I don't like heights that much. I'm convinced that fair's wheels exist for one person to be like, come on. Let's go on the ferris wheel and another person would be like, oh fine, or for romantic settings in rom coms. That's also what I'm talking. For for them to pay the guy to stop it. So they have to work out there and then Kissel, the top. Yes. But I I'm still convinced to one of them doesn't want to be there. Oh, definitely. Yes. In many relationships doing anything. Hopefully not. So he, he just couldn't hold onto the final drop on the fares really came very close to getting through it. Yeah. But he can't take China's. And Sunder, of course not. He's not allowed he did manage to, to qualify for the city finals though. He was one of the one of the final final qualifiers. Glenn davis. Yes. Glenn Davis is a name that may sound so familiar to me thinking of Glendale. No. I googled it and there's a baseball player. I guarantee you. It's not my phone also things that I'm trying to talk to. Did you name your phone? Glenn davis. Oh, it's exactly. Okay. Instead of Syria. Glenn davis. Who knows who knows? Anyway. Next up was a montage starting with Kevin Sadler, who is a ballet dancer who did not have the footwork for the dancing steps. Which dancing steps shrinking steps. Yes. There used to be the dancing stones. I'm pretty sure either I wrote dancing steps or they said dancing steps, but. I'm pretty sure shrinking. Then was grace SIMS wedding photographer. Also speaking of weddings, married to Brett SIMS was another competitor, and she was out on the bouncing spider. She looks really pretty. This was also the point this montage where I was like, I did say, I was in on the secret of pets spot with the actual dogs, but the little cut ins of what's the movie where watchable terrible. I had to had to make a note of that at the end of the month. I was like we're going to have reactions from the pets of secret life of pets, and it was like these are not reactions. These are just like, like, okay, what are some random shots in the movie that because if these were custom reactions, they're the worst customer reactions of ever seen. They're just little clips from the movie. Yeah. And if and if that's the case, they should not have bothered me. Because these do not fit at all. Cat being like I do that. There was one clip that fit in the entire episode and that was I don't remember who it was. But there was a ninja that came up one of the dog is like, oh if I had his body or something like that. Which like is weird, but, like, maybe makes at least a little bit of sense. Yeah. Are Bearcats with apps. Dog's a dog is a cat with Adams. No. I'm saying that it was a dog. I should've had cats run up the wall. The cats would have done nothing. They would've just my cat could rent that wall, I'm sure you could make it was so fast. She would've laid down away to for belly rub. I'm sure callous is an American enjoyer cat. Mine is not Oreos wants to sleep. So Grayson was out on the bouncing spider, but does qualify as the fifth of the top five women of the night, then we had Caleb Wilson. Sorry caleb. Watson, the farmer that lead is a big fan of. I don't remember this person he was the fastest time in qualifying in, I think last year or two years ago. Okay. Farming and he had like cow's any like workout with, like jugs of milk or something. Yeah. All right. I can see now why I've not not in on him. Well he plowed his way through long run. But hit a wall on the bouncing spider. I hate the word plow swell, then we have another Caleb, Caleb, Bergstrom, the nineteen year old ninja coach from the Bergstrom bunch. And this is there's way too many Burg things going on, because he's from the Bergstrom bunch, and he's one of the baby Burgis hate this. This family is so creepy. From our there like Mormons, or Catholic or something. No, I think I can't remember the I can't remember this is the same guy that, that like a doctorate, a lot of children, or if it's just the same. It's just like one big family. Either way. I remember liking them before. I just really hate baby birdies. Yeah. There also, I don't know, they're really all very creepy to me. I don't know. I find Acura yoga to be pretty intimate. I would not do it with my brother. Weird in my opinion. I love it, and I do it fairly frequently. But my partner is is a friend of mine. He's not related to me. Because it's rarely is a lot of very close. Yeah. Well, Kaleb is apparently the best of the bunch capital be that makes sense. And Akbar says that other ninjas think he can be great. And from what we saw pretty good. Yeah. He made a really easy. Yes. Very quick through fares wheel, speed sped through the bouncing spider. Very impressive run. He went for the mega wall. He got his fingers on it, but did not get the ten k however he did get up on his second attempt and got the five K. It's so funny that they montage his sister after this. Yes. Next up was a montage with Caitlin Bergstrom who went out on the bouncing spider. She also qualified though for the city finals great today. We'll get to see more of the baby Burgis. Stop saying. We also saw Chris fail. He will who was a musician, who fail failed on off the hook and I am like ninety seven percent convinced that he got the invite because of his name so they can put him in a montage so that they could say fail failed on off the hook at this point, just casting people to make it easy for Optima joke. Matt, whatever. To ousting Mets thing is the puns on the montage Akbar's thing is the funny yelling things during the run, but apart we'll make some puns on the name during the run. It is always Matt during the montage. Right. Yes. But he'll not will Akbar will do the ones that are like, I don't know like shout stuff about people's names. Like, I don't know. Does he usually do the rhymes? Yeah. Well, I mean, does everything except for this thing, which is why you can't take it away from that, so sorry. He won the lip sync battle is not enough for your best friend, Matt iseman. Finally, we saw Tyrone Poole, the patriots player who is out on the ferris wheel. And when they said oh, legendary patriots football person, I was like, oh, maybe I don't know. This is legit promoted in the intro, and then still montage lots of montages going on. We did see, Tony miles poker player, who was the runner up in the twenty teen World Series of poker, which is a very vague title because there are many different tournaments in the world. I don't know if it was the overall placements that he was runner up. I wish I knew more. So I asked our friend con stone about this because call knows a lot about poker given that he is a poker player because I wanted to check if it was one of those things that they say, like legendary poker blame it's like nobody's ever heard of him Collins said that people have heard of him he knew who he was. But he is only legendary because he went on, like. One really amazing run in one tournament. And that was the one that he came in. And so it was like a big deal. And people do know him, but it's not like consistently great at poker. It's just like people know him for this one run just just quickly go. It was the main event, which makes sense, but you gotta specify 'cause world poker. Many different tournaments event is, of course, the big one so coming as the runner up in the main event is, is a big deal. He made a lot of money on that. Yeah. Definitely the point is he's on, like a legendary poker player like they said, but he is someone that people know they're not like super exaggerating. Yes. So he is going to make a bet on himself. He's going to put up five thousand dollars and I don't remember what the numbers of the bet. I think it was like, like. Like twenty something to one. He would have gotten one hundred twenty five K if he won. Yes. Okay. So like twenty five to one. You're the math guy. Based on the odds of this bet I estimated that he had about two percent confidence. He would complete scores. Oh, definitely. Yeah. But so he puts up five thousand dollars and he ends up tripping up on block run out bar was saying quick feet quick. Oh, no. I said, quick feats when you listen to me, Tony, he was also a chess grandmaster. There you go. So, but he couldn't be the chess ninja because that was already taken by the inches skydiving guy who also maybe we'll teach that. Yes. So next up was Andris Collins, who was from a small town grape. That's always so fascinating when people happen to be born in towns, that are different from mine, he's going to be such a celebrity guys. Yeah. In the small town. I don't know. They also say like he had a school record for the most rushing yards. And I was just thinking of that CNN big brother or Nicole is talking about holiday. Ten people went to her high school. Like, obviously, you have the Russia yard record like how I was in the top three triple jumpers at my school. Yeah, exactly of the three, Liz. So he's also five six. He works at a furniture store and an airport. God, I would hate to work at an airport. I hate airports. Well, yet a lot of trouble getting traction on the bouncing spider. I guess they don't make sticky shoes in small towns, but he almost made it through but ultimately slipped off and went out there. Yeah. Another thing where I'd like I'm not really. Sure why they showed us this. Yes. Now, we are going to take a quick break for our sponsors. And we'll be right back. This episode is brought to you by Cox. With TV from Cox. You can find all your favorites. All in one place. Does it have the YouTube, you Bet El what about that? Netflix thing Netflix, too. And although superhero movies, contour has all the latest titles on demand. Oh my grandkids love that big green guy. I prefer the one with the hammer myself. Okay. I think we're done ear now. Get all your favorite apps shows and movies, right? On contoured TV from Cox. And we're back. So let's get back to the show. We also then got. Zuri zuri saying, hey, everyone is buzzing about the power tower ever since we last week. Yeah. Sorry, I was rolling my eyes because I thought you were about to move to fire and ice. Okay. I, I wanted to roll my eyes everyone is buzzing about the power tower. I know you're lying, you record these well ahead of time that has not aired yet. Yeah. Exactly. Everybody is just freaking out. It just goes to show how much people about, like, hey, everyone's talking about this thing. We did. Everyone. Yeah. Well, you know, maybe they just knew the Twitter would blow up. I personally could not avoid American injure warrior spoilers in Scotland. Everyone talking about the power tower. Yeah. It's like game of thrones. There's just no other content on a Wednesday night. Well, then we get the fire nice starting. We're gonna I see. Michael Johnson in twenty six year old Jim manager. Why is he? So shredded night we were. Yeah. Because he lifts weights. And you know who else lifts weights Stewart's? He is the. Left. Right. Double double guy. And so he has teamed up with Michael Johnson who also likes to lift weights, and they call themselves fire and ice, because Eddie is a firefighter and Michael has ice in his veins. Yeah. They're definitely hoping that people will remember them more collectively than they did individually, except note, is gonna remember either of their names because now they've gone from the left, right. Double-double guide. Finlayson advance guy to fire. I'm never gonna commit these guys names memory. You say that now but in like three or four seasons from now when they introduce the fire and ice tower. We're going to be like, hey, now or no sorry. It's gonna be the ice and fire tower. Exactly. But I mean it's still took me, a very long time to learn the names of the towers of power, and even Now, Dan plsy that's the Holland's, damn right? Yeah. And Brandon ears got it took me a second, even think of those, like, when you have these nicknames in your in, like a duo, like, why would anybody about learning your names, you don't you don't have to learn the name as long as you've got the duo, okay? But maybe they're trying to promote their Instagram's because they're probably personal trainers trying to get clients. I don't know what their jobs are. Well, Michael Johnson is a gym manager. Eddie, his firefighter. Okay. That's close enough. Oh man another firefighter. One of these Joe's. Fighter firefighters. They're all about come rotary. Yeah. That's actually true. Yeah. Head. So Michael, he's going to spend a lot of time before block run. And he like he gets to block run. He's like pointing at the crowd he's doing like stem stuff and then he's preparing himself. And I'm like you're really spending a lot of time before this obstacle failings obstacle. It's gonna it's not gonna be good. And he did fill up cicle. Yeah. And apparently he's a guy that we pencil in for Vegas every year. Yeah. He's done it like twice. Yeah. I don't know that I would count on him going there, once you're part of a duo, your stablishment. Yeah. I guess so. Yes, he goes into the water, and we are not going to see fire and ice in, in the city finals. I think we'll see fire well, but we won't see fire and ice. Sorry. Well, I might be there. Next up was RJ Roman the twenty two year old musician his package is basically just like, hey, remember this guy, you probably don't but you should because he's real good. And he did real good last year. He was second only to the kid. Yeah. He was as a rookie. He was so good. He was on the skills com which weird wasn't he on the salmon ladder? Something I don't know. You. You cannot ask me to recall any detail of the three hours kill special. Well, he speeds through the course just hops off the the on bouncing spider. He grabs one of those those pillars. And instead of hooking his leg around the, the little bump that most people there around to get over and dismount he, he just lets go of the pillar and then grabs the ledge transfers his arms, which I was like what, what people do that? I don't know. This is a guy that like earlier about Michael Johnson. They're like, why is this guy associated? Why is this guy? So shredded. What does our J Roman? Do like I know these business. Yeah. He's a musician and Matt says something about like os grip strength from playing guitar. I know it's not that. He's used to shredding. Yeah. Shredding guitar shut in his bod-. Well, he had a lot of confidence on the course really sped through the whole thing. Hit a little bit of trouble on the ferris wheel, but he'd get through and speeds right up the wall for the fastest time of the night thus far. Yep. Go our day, I wonder what has banned is called. I think I have googled this before. I think we, we googled it and then I named the band immunise. How do you spell that? EM. U N. E S S. That's a terrible. Bad name. Like a female EMU. Even. I'd play some of their music for you. But probably don't have the rights to. Thanks. I don't know. So then we have a montage starting with Eddie, Stuart the left. Right. Double double guy. He he couldn't make it up the work wall though, I guess too heavy. Then we had Emily Durham, who was just about to get through the bouncing spider, but fell back, and she is also going to qualify, the number three spots in the women. This is the wake boarding lady. Yes. And then Nick yokum, whose wife was freaking out as he ran, which I thought was adorable, and he smacks into the wall on the punting spider. She runs up. I love this. Yeah. My only notice Nick, Nick has a very emotional wife lucky guy. And we had a Lissa VAR Celona twenty four year old college student who tore both of her for take. Sousse for you. She tore her right ACL or her left one. I remember then she tore, her left ACL, then she retour her right? One, then issues like okay, no more doing that. Then she got into a car accident and tore them again. I was like jeez. Yeah, I don't know much about as hard as the Al, but I guess it's must be something where like, once they had it's like blacking out from drinking. It's like once it happens once that happens a lot more. I guess so I don't think I've ever heard of somebody getting a tornado steal from a car accident. So must be something that's like they were just already Marable. Yeah. Well, this was not great. Yeah. But she's so impressive. Still does anything I would wrap myself in a weighted blanket and never go outside. If I tore a total of five as the else. It's really like when you when you hear somebody, injuring themselves that often, I start to look at them differently. Like I look at them like they're like a toddler who just like, can't help themselves, like no pad them up or something. Yeah. Bubble boy. Just stop doing any Affleck's. It's like that lady that survived like three different boats sinking. On boats bitch. I mean lady. So, so she slams into the final block in block run, which looked brutal but she did get through it. And at this point Akbar, is, is, is so impressed, Matt, she's got by Jahic knees. She's got biotic means I'm gonna give her a new nickname. She's the biotic ninja. I think that she probably has the opposite of bionic knees from what it sounds like sounds like her news are made of jello will not anymore. Okay. I mean they've been remade into biotic knees lifetimes, though, like weighed, her stronger better, faster having if she keeps free tearing them, but they're just putting a rubber band in they're doing swell. She gets the ferris wheel. And she gets all the way up and through the first fairus wheel, but she's just kind of hanging there. Full full arms, outstretched, hanging does not look great. But does manage destroyed transition? And this one I saw that the handles of the fares wheel were not quite as difficult, as I as I initially thought there like full on lipped. Yeah. Great like parts of the, the cliff hanger. It's, it's, it's like you can fully grip your whole hand on these things, which I think made made more sense. Why people were able to get as far as they did when they looked like they were struggling. Yeah. So, so she did get all the way over. She was very close. But ultimately ran out of strength and went down on the fares wheels. But she is also going to qualify, of course, in the top five women. Yes. Of course, she was actually just two seconds behind the thirtieth qualifier overall nice qualified. Almost almost qualified outright. Yeah. Next up lead. Actual favorite reorient. We're just gonna skip by Kevin carbon having a dog. This was this was called litas heart is segment of the episode, but his dog didn't make it up. I don't care. I god. I love the dog anyway. Yeah. Let's talk about reorient this officially my first cry of the season between these two thirds of cod this, I was. Yes, he runs a foundation called Wallace in honor of his, his, his lost dog who was a foster adopted dog. Flash champion just became a frisbee. Wow. I don't know what they call them for Doug. Yeah. Really? Cute. Pit bull. Yes. And so he has been raising money for that foundation and trying to help place pets with adopted parents. And he is, of course, here to continue to raise awareness for that, that 'cause yes. And I'm very happy for him. Yes, we're giving the heads up that the secret life of pets people have a surprise for him at the end of his run. Yeah. This would have been funny. If he fell on the first stickle. So another thing to note he did have music package was like real like a song that you recognized. I mean I don't know. I wouldn't recognize most sauce. Okay. Fair. I didn't know any any licensed material as well. He did complete the course. So the trend holds although they did not bring the music back when he completed the course it was regular complete the course music. Yeah. But they had something else to do. Yes. So they brought him over to the dog war, Paul. And they had a big thing that unfurled and the secret life of pets gave him twenty thousand dollars for his foundation. Yeah. They gave him SIA money. Yes. And again, they be kinda watched American enjoyer shoe. They'd kind of need that money on alternately but they gave it away. I wonder if that factors into their budget, you know, you can look budgets for movies like is that twenty thousand dollars included? Well, it depends because usually the marketing stuff is not as easy to track. Yeah. It's just like promotional made this one. Add that to the budget. It also makes you wonder like they gave him twenty thousand dollars. Right. So that's part of what he got. I wonder how much the show got. Yeah. I mean listen. I'm saying secretly pets has the biggest marketing budget. I have ever seen and apparently didn't pay off, according to you. I mean it was number one. It was just not, not a great number one. Yeah. Well, it's up against very much right now. Yeah. Not, not great. So let's see it says the budget for secret life of pets too estimated eighty million dollars. Okay. And it made forty seven million and domestic le-. Let's not bad this weekend opening weekend. It might make it back, it will worldwide. It's already made that budget back, but you have to account for marketing, which is obviously a lot. And I thought it would. And I think the previous one was they made a significant profit on. So this is a disappointing results. I say, well, the for okay? So in comparison, the first one opened with over one hundred million in opening weekend. Well, yeah, that's a lot more. Yeah, I don't know I right now, I'm just going to tell everybody to go see book smart instead, that. Yeah. You do. My got it so. Good. All right. Twelve yori completes completes. The course need. It doesn't come back gets twenty thousand dollars. I wonder what would have happened if you made it up the Meggle. Thirty thousand dollars. Yeah. The ten thousand is like Hayes like twenty thousand is donation to his foundation. I'm sure he would have put the money into his maybe. But maybe he's got bills to pay. All right. Well, then we have a montage starting with TJ McCallum, who was slow on the shrinking steps, and he ends up falling there and Akbar, says, oh, you know it's bad when you. Hugh. A student then we get Ryan Stratus who's montage. And I was like, oh, but he gets through the course then he goes to the mega wall. Okay. They're montage. Because he fails to make. Well, then he gets up the medal on his first try and makes ten thousand dollars. And for the first time we get a montage mega wall finish, and it's not going to be our only one and it's not the only one and it's Ryan Strack. Yeah. Very strange. Yeah. I think they're trying to like trying to hide how many mega finishes were. Oh, yeah. So that they can still make it special when it like. I'm confused about how gray SIMS Android, and Stratos ran here in Brett SIMS didn't. It's the ways of American Jewry are vast and mysterious. Yeah. Okay. Just like they would have them all together. So next up is Travis Rosen in the forty four year old stock trader who broke his ankle and several places in Vegas last year, wasn't sure if he'd ever be able to not only run the course but just run, I think, in general, again, I really wish they hadn't shown us is really disgusting ankle. It was real gross may times it was very close over and over not want to see it. He said he was okay. So the way he presents story, he's like, so I went to my family, and I told them that I was gonna go back on the show. And I was like, well, obviously they won't want him to do that. And he was like I thought they were going to be like cheering. And I was like, how do I know your family better than you? Like, why would they want like my, my daughter liked cried, like, don't? Yeah. I'm sure sure Matic experience worker. Over your dad, get just like totally broken on national television. He's still has screws and a plate in his ankle and it's it's braced there. He's the biotic ankle. It's not not quite by onic. We'll get. Okay. There's a new name. He he has always completed the qualifying course in every of the nine times that he's done it. So he's looking to keep that perfect record. He is definitely trying to keep off the ankle. I could tell I think when he landed on off the hook. He like landed hard on his other foot and then kind of a little bit on the side of the affected ankle foot, but he did hit a little hard on block run. But he got through a little bit of trouble dismounting on the fares wheel, but he does get to the, the warped wall completes the course hits the buzzer with the injured foot, and then Travis Rosen did have music and his package, and it did come back. Nice and don't get a new nickname besides as wonder. Yes. And this one does not come from bar actually, comes from Matt's. He says we're going to have to start calling him, the breakable ageless wonder. Yeah. Commission commit voice. That reminds me of like emperor. Yeah. Good. I'm very happy to see Travis back doing well and it was an inspiring run. Yes. He's very impressive person. Yes. Also, I mean to, to the to the credit of American enjoyer, they do kind of have to remind you how old he is because he doesn't look that old because he's the wonder he doesn't have an age while it's not go that far. He have one he, he needs to have one in order to not. Have one year. What I'm saying. No, you wouldn't. Call me in ages wonder as a twenty seven year old you wouldn't be like he's ageless. Yeah. Because you're twenty seven you have an age. Exactly. You need. You need to have an age in order to then not disregard. It stupid. Apple next is another montage starting with charity LeBlanc, who was a fish out of water on block run. This is the woman. That is a mermaid on Instagram with over a million followers. Yeah. This is not favorite thing. Then Neil crave who went for the mega wall and failed. And then Josaia singleton the country boy that completes the course. Okay, does he have doing? No him. No country by sore. Sean Harris is up next twenty seven year old teacher. He's got a lot of students there cheering him on, but he trips up at block run. And that was about it. Yeah. Teachers are great. Next up was Tim. Sag Winson Winston. I'm sure you nailed it. I did not write this down forty five year old artist. He calls himself the paper cut ninja. And I felt like this was sneakily clever that he ends up. Getting what is normally the testimonial package of other ninjas commenting in his faculties, because he has made little paper versions of them, and they're commenting on those new. Yeah. And they're like, oh, looks just like me. It's so cute. Yeah. I feel like you should just give like really good gifts to all the inches to get on their radar. And we saw JJ woods with, with a big version of his face funny and bar. And Matt had paper versions of themselves up on the podium. Yes. Visa, yes. But he ends up getting caught on the rope of the shrinking steps, and spend a little too long trying to build momentum on off the hook and just can't make the transition. But now he gets to Perm haute his art. Yes. Next up was another montage starting with booty coffin who was out on the bouncing sputter will not be advancing to the city finals sad than Devon Harrelson, whose Dougie fresh who apparently had a training accident that fractured. His skull, a train accident training. Says. I would assume that your skull will get fractured in a train accident. How did they showed a little clip video and crashed into the floor or something? Why don't you have mounts underneath you look the ends up failing the dismount of the ferris wheel, but he was the thirtieth place qualifier for the city finals, just ahead of Eliza of Celona. So he is going to be seen in the city finals and then Chad hone who completed the course with blood on his face. For the second time. One of these guys that you treat differently because he keeps getting injured. Apparently this third. He's the only person to complete a course or even just have blood on his face. I think at all, and he is now done it twice. Maybe he has flu fy face. That's just like really easy to puncture. Maybe maybe. Chris. I think serious like so we gonna just keep doing this. It's like. Like it's like. This Brad, he's the bloody face ninja. I guess so he's to you, gotta you gotta think like fire and ice, you get a brand everything, like stop was, yes. Next up was, Jessica Clayton Thirty-seven-year-old IT consultant who they mentioned many, many, many, many, many times that she really wants to be the first mother to complete a qualifying course. And then they cut to her. And she's like, yeah, I totally want to be the first month completes the qualifying that one hundred percent had not occurred to her. It was like very, obviously a question that was put that she was like, yeah, definitely. Why not? And then she herself again, who would keep track of stat like that. Besides like us. We famously care about these, like, oh, my God, she's the fourth woman with three kids, sever, make it past the fifth obstacle. You don't. Well, she does take pride in being a mother, I think most to do most mothers stable to different levels. I think I don't know. I, I personally know very few mothers. I don't. Brothers. Wait knows say. I don't ask all of the mothers that I encounter. How much pride on a scale from one to ten? They take being a mother. Well, maybe you should start. Just trying to conduct research for podcast. It's just curious what's the podcast about American enjoyer makes if you were to be the first mother to complete a qualifying course. On American injure warrior. How much pride would you take in that accomplishment end in being a mother in general as a result? So she spends a lot of time on the dismount of the hook barely makes it through block. Ron has to really muscle through the dismount of the bouncing spider and just she's, she's having a little bit of a tough Ron, but he's really making it through very, very impressive run. But it is taking her a long time, and I think that's all going to contribute toward her ultimate failure on the warped wall. Yeah. Why did they do this with like being the first mother to finish the qualifying course being such a big deal? And then she comes so close and doesn't. I don't like that for the next one that comes next qualify. Vying coarsely year from next mother. Qualifying course. Jessica Clayton feel bad do build up ex person. So they feel good. How whatever. So she was the first one that I saw as Matt pointed out, very smartly, using her momentum on the fares wheel to climb to the next handle those things spin, like tilts back and forth centrally. So she was like, moving her hips back and forth to get momentum so that the side that she was lifting up would be higher so that she had less distance to travel that was very different than how most people are doing it. Who were just like staying still in reaching all the way. Yeah. Without the momentum. So smartly, gets through that fares will obstacle. We stand ultimately on her third attempt got her fingers on top of the wall, but falls short and is going to fail there. She is going to be the only woman qualifier in the top thirty and the top woman. Qualifier overall? Hey one woman. Next up is another montage starting with Elie Cohen, who is the world's strongest Mandal inist, who had a sour note on the bouncing spider stiff competition, I would assume not like everyone's buzzing about this. I'm pretty sure it's just completely made. Yes. Then we had Morgan moose rights who went out on the ferris wheel failed at the dismount of the ferris wheel, and I believe he did not qualify for the city. Yes. Then we saw Kevin Carbone, who cut from on his first try and got ten thousand dollars. Okay. He is now much wealthier. He has a dog eventually, if I say it enough, I feel like somebody listening to this podcast has to know him and tell him to call me. I mean it's got to happen at some point, somebody lease already following on Instagram. Tell him to me. Maybe you have to make the first move here. I don't know. So right now, I'm focusing on this guy who's the bartender in DC just got he quit the bachelorette. He was just like kind of over it being like, really bad circumstances for him or whatever. And now I have to wait a couple of weeks 'cause he's probably getting flooded with right now. And I don't even find him cute. I just want to grab a drink with him and get some T. So right now that's my reality TV focus, but Kevin Carbone I've been on this since before he had ten thousand dollars. And I knew he had a dog. So, you know, I'm not shallow. He's true, my true, reality TV cries. We'll see. We'll keep track of this, this story as we move through the please listeners all seven of you make it up. So then we move onto Tyler Gillett Twenty-three, who has no title card, and no package and just speed through the course he even climbed. He he did something very smart. He climbs an extra wrong on the fares. We'll before it drops. So instead of going all the way and dropping all the way down he kept another hand on the previous handle, and then kind of spun the wheel down, and then climbed up as it fell, so that he would not have to climb all the way down at the bottom, which was very difficult for a lot of people, especially because after it falls, the handle is swinging back and forth, really. Really fast. It's hard to grab it. So that helped him out, and he went straight up the regular wall to beat RJ's time and gets a spot competing on the power tower lake. Anybody has a chance on the powers? So just go for the ten thousand no matter what, if, like I knew that Joshua isn't the same city as me. Also, like how I've talked about it before, Tyler Gillett. Maybe could I think be somebody that eventually does well enough to be a contender to win the whole thing. But right now, probably out the case, and if that's the case, just take the money where you actually whereas judicial I feel like and we'll talk about it, but had these sort of opposite approach and I felt like he should have been more focused on the power tower because I feel like that's more important for that matter. Yes, not the end up mattering at all. But then we have another montage. I think this was a previously before these runs, or whatever we saw Ashley Herrell, who's a skateboarding nurse, who flatlined on the bouncing spider, and then Ben Wilson, who who's a pharmacist who called himself farm strong whose grip gave out on the ferris wheel. I don't approve. Yes, he did qualify for the city. Then we see judicial he's been the fastest in qualifying last few years. He wants to hit the he wants the mega wall. He failed it last time. He wanted this time. He's been practicing. And he's basically saying I feel I think I read an interview like power tower don't mind it's the mega wall. And I feel like he agree. I think that winning the city final power tower to get that do over is significantly more important than ten thousand dollars. If you're traditional because if you're judicial than if you have one little slip up, and you get to try again, that's massive because he could win a million dollars. So, but it doesn't matter because if you've all question is, why is he wearing skinny jeans? I don't know. He always wears pants. But he usually wears sort of, like cargo pants. That seem a little looser skinny, dude, seem quite restrictive. Trying to new look. Yes, I think I just saw that. He, he knows he's having a baby. So. Yeah. Trying out the new dad. Look, I guess, but yes, his girlfriend April is pregnant in grants to them. Yeah. So now know the top two contenders Drouin Joe both gonna be dad's ever. Talk to contenders in my opinion published on Brian up there. I agree. I agree. I just feel like he needs one more season in the in the stage three. I think mostly for before you like, really settles in. Yeah. So drew, he takes he takes on the course he's a little bit off balance on block run. But he manages to get through using the same strategy as Tyler on the ferris wheel. And he ends up going for the mega wall and gets up the mega wall on his first try ends up the second fastest time of the night. Yes. And r j Roman is pressed. So then we make it to the power tower and for as much fun as I will make of the name of the power tower. I do still enjoy it. This is still like usually when we get to the end of these episodes. I'm like, okay finally through this. But this time with these new added elements. I am excited to see the end of the episode because we can see stuff like are they going to get the fast time? Are they gonna be off the wall and what's gonna happen with power tower? And so we see drew versus Tyler on the power tower. Yeah. It's fun. And like last week like the stakes out a lot to it. Yes. And they say that drew legitimately, apparently just ran to. Yeah. Accord? So you're takes a slight lead at the start as they go up the steps. And then go across he as they go down the pole of the power tower and drew is ahead. And so Tyler tries to make a big move and cross the beam as early as he can. But he ends up tripping up and falling. And so that's going to allow drew to take the win now. Interestingly, apparently, this is not meeting their that Tyler is out. He can still climb back up on and try to finish. But, but obviously, you know with having lost that much time he's going to have be hard pressed to beat judicial, but it made me wonder like what if he felt anywhere else? Yeah. Like, what if he felt before the part where he walks across the beam? Does he climb back up on the beam and then just continue from there or does he have to go back up the steps like I don't understand. I really have no idea. But I also feel like there's a huge advantage and just being judicial Audubon, south the other person. And I like the other person is I have just totally go for broke more likely to make mistakes. I mean, I think that's why our Jay and Tyler both went for broke on the course itself. Competing for one of one of the two. Going to be there and one. So autumn, it -ly we get to our top thirty here with Tyler Gillett in the top spot with a minute and seven seconds with ju just behind him at a minute. And eight seconds, who got the mega wall ten K and also won the speed pass on the power tower. Then we had RJ Roman Caleb Bergstrom, who got up the mega wall on his second attempt, and it should be noted that Tyler drew and RJ both all had a minute. Seven eight minute. Sixteen and Caleb was down at two minutes. Yeah. So significant difference between the top three and the rest of the competitors within saw Jody Freeman, Kevin Carbone who go into up the mega wall and got ten thousand dollars. Travis rosen. Kenny Nematalla surprised that he was not shown. All. Brett SIMS did compete. There is my God. This. Veered that to get shown, I guess, so Jordan Hatton. Casey, sue hockey also there. Jazz is singleton. Chris Howard, Ryan Stratus, who got up the mega wall and made ten thousand dollars reorient, Chad hone Rochambeau. Does toys store scene. I don't know. John delude dilute low, who also made it up the mega wall or no sorry failed at the megawatt believe joining failed. Neil crave are also failed at the mega wall and Eddie Stewart who failed at the regular or call Jessica Clayton who also failed at the regular wall. And then Travis rust failed at the ferris wheel, as well as everyone else who made it. Curiel re Bobbitt's rivers are rep convicts. Ronald Washington Caleb our Lucas Gomez, the brass digress. I media was like, wait a minute going looks Gomez, what Ben Wilson. Glenn Davis, Tyrone, Poole and Devon Harrelson. So a lot of big names that were completely left off the not even what is the point of not even montage. When we saw when he ran does montage. Better names, I guess, or they wanna make the course seem harder. So they don't even show a lot of people that finished. Yeah. Yes, there were a lot of finishes a lot of finishes. And then, of course, the top five women Jessica Clayton who failed wall. Elissa VAR Celona, who failed at the ferris wheel, and Emily Durham, who failed spider as well as Caitlyn Bergstrom and grey SIMS who failed the bouncing spider. So there you go. That was at Lanta. Yeah. And I guess they took the episode off for the Stanley Cup so they did it. Yeah. No. That makes ball basketball was also on this. I think NBC was showing the Stanley Cup 'cause that's hockey is always on NBC sports. But I guess the sports. No matter what we're beloved team, the Boston Bruins lost. Yeah. Yeah. I love them somewhere. Yeah. I'm very happy for the Saint Louis blues. I don't care about spa at all. But everybody seems to be happy Toronto one. I don't understand how all of a sudden, everybody cares about basketball. I've literally never heard anybody talk about basketball. And now all of a sudden everybody is like up in arms about bask-. I think it's because people are happy because it's Canada's only team in the NBA the Toronto rapper raptors. And so people feel like all of Canada got victory last night, and everybody loves Canada, you'll have Canada. But I thought people were mad at them because they like cheered at an injury or something, I don't know. I don't know. I am literally just going off of what I see on my Twitter feed, which is like I would assume that yours is similarly, just people of Canada, Canada's so good. It's, it's also people that are Matic guy. I don't know. I haven't seen very much. You got a lot of Golden State warrior fans. Oh my God. Speaking of the Golden State Warriors, Steph curry who is the star of the Golden State Warriors. Did you see the promos for his new show called holy moly? And it is a combination between mini golf, an obstacle course. Then we have to do a one off. We have it's the world's most extreme mini golf. ABC over the medical. There's made for us. We both love each episode dozen contestants compete on epic obstacle golf course. Yeah. Pro. People trust up and call geared doing like. I don't know. I don't know what you call it. I don't know. I've not looking at whatever imagery. Like, like bragging, moves like. Yeah. Anyway, I have received several across to cover. Governor said the producers saw how fitness enthusiast stom- Nate other team competition series and to create a show that most anyone could partake funny and the ad is the commercial. So I saw this because it was the bachelorette is on ABC. So this is like the commercial every single commercial break. And one of the ads was like, we found like the best mini golfers in the world compete in this, and I'm like, how can you even measure that, like this is obviously just random people who applied, and, like mini golf? I mean, I would I would say that I'm one of the best mini gophers in the country. Maybe I why didn't they contact you know that you enjoy many I'm going meeting golfing next weekend. I'm looking at some of the images of the courses they are pretty extreme. They're pretty extreme. They are not exaggerating. Okay. So anyway, that's plug for holy moly. Starring Stephen curry Steph curry. I guess it's time for the and this time doesn't involve the car dash down, whatever. What? Hi, it's I forgot you couldn't hear that started news segment about. Founded started with if time for the teeth not talking about the Kardashians. Skip. I think I think that I think that woman is the is the part is part of the show. What woman judge genie, gene genie, my, who the person who said it's time for tea. Or maybe maybe maybe sell exciting. Interviewing. Okay. Cawley moly season premiere Thursday June twentieth. Great. Let's those this coming. All right. Well. That was wholly mulling. But we'll think about doing one up there does not seem committed. I wanna see crossover between wanna see. What does the judicial on? Holy moly. Switch. I wanna see the top holy-moly competitor take on the American George. Okay. Unfortunately, there are different networks. No, I don't think that's gonna work out. Yeah. I don't think I watch any shows on ABC fresh off the boat. I don't know. Blackish. Sitcom guy. Okay. Well, there you go. I don't know. You watched community. Yeah, I mean, pretty much most like major network TV shows, I'm just not watching anymore. Yeah. I've kind of got the good place, but that's ending soon. Yeah, that's me thing. NBC is good. Sitcoms are, yeah. Even even then, like, what's left look place superstore. Oh, yeah. You can't get into it. It was on. It was an option on my plane to Scotland that I went on her plane show. I watched can you ever forgive me with most McCarthy, and I watched I watched that and I tried to watch into the spider spider verse, and I fell asleep, so instantly. No, don't watch that on a plane flake so out, I fell asleep like instantly. And then woke up when Peter poker was introducing himself and thought that I was having some weird dream. Everyone needed to watch it in theaters. And if you didn't then you fail. Yeah. Not famously not a superhero guy me. All right. Well, that's got you go see the books books my. What else is coming out in terms of movies late night? Yeah. I'm a Thomson and medicating looking forward to it. And also season premiere of big little lies. I'm moaning all content that stars women do do we think that big little lies. It opened a big splash very, very big. But sometimes these shows they have a big first season, you get to the second season. And then it's kind of like I think he's not as good. I think it's a show that is prestigious enough that people got really into it, and it got a lot of especially acting nominations. But it's not so prestigious that like if it gets ridiculous people will not be on board. You know what I mean, because people are really in it for the performances, but will it maintain the prestige? I don't know. I don't know if that will maintain the prestige. But what I'm saying is that I think people are going to be so into it because like the fans will watch it's frigging Meryl Streep, and we'll watch her Laura Dern Reese, Witherspoon fricking, like just the coal Kidman. It's such a mazing it amazing cast that we just want to see them be over the top and ridiculous. And then next week we got Toy Story, I will not see Toy Story, one made me cry too much weight. Yeah. It's been kind of slow slow one for movies ventures. And John wick just came out like dominated everything. Oh, John, wick was did you watch always be my maybe you should watch? I think that you'll like it. I don't even heard of it. It's a new Netflix from com. Oh, it's really. It's really funny. That flicks movies are my blindspot. I have no way of tracking. Yeah. They just come out. The movie come out only on aches. Well, it's really really, really funny. Very good. All right. So that's thank you so much for joining us on the American Jewry or movie podcast. It's fitting that we talk about movies, because the secret life of pets that neither of us actually, so. So that's got for you. Thank you so much for joining us, you can find us on, I tunes or wherever you podcast, the American injure warrior, perhap- podcast, you can find me on Twitter at Armstrong, Taryn, Lita fund, you, you can find me on Twitter at later, tweeted, you can also find Taryn on Instagram. Into post. My me on Instagram ground, and you can also check out my blog leader wrote dot WordPress dot com. It's I have not posted while I've been abroad, but I will post soon. I'm trying to think of like various social media sites that could get you to deleted other things like like like surfing, social media say lead us surf on the internet. Lead a climbed. Well, yeah. Okay. So my house when I was doing that thing on my spirit journey. When every city, I went to went to a new a new, climbing gym the hashtag that I used to just keep all my posted on places later climbs America. And then I realized partway through this, obviously, should've been leader climbed. So. I'm onto some. All right. Well, Lita also podcast in. In this broadcast and. Do we have any reviews? Oh, I didn't check. Just leave reviews podcasts has gone, log enough. She'll reviews and I will check next week. All right. Thanks so much for joining us everyone. I will see you next time. Good morning. I've got question. Be. 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NPR News: 01-20-2020 6AM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 01-20-2020 6AM ET

"Live from NPR News in Washington on Child Snyder the focus so the gun. Rights debate does on Richmond. Virginia today thousands of gun rights supporters. Reporters are expected to rally at Virginia State capital to protest democratic plans for new gun control legislation. Dozens of armed militia groups including white white supremacists have also said they will attend Craig Carper from member station. VP reports for most state lawmaker. So it will be a regular work day a small number lawmakers have said. They won't attend for fear of violence though. Republican delegate Glenn Davis believes the majority of protesters will peacefully rally in support of their right to bear arms. These are average people in our communities that are coming up here to lobby for the protection of the rights to be able to protect their families and their loved ones before the rally democratic delegate Danika Rome will make history which he becomes the First Trans Woman ever in Virginia Gavel in a House subcommittee some really thinking much about outside. Capital Governor Ralph off northern has declared a state of emergency banning guns and other weapons within capitol grounds though thousands of armed protesters are expected to surround the perimeter for NPR news. I'm Craig Corporation Richmond House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff is accusing. US intelligence agencies of withholding documents on Ukraine they could be significant president trump senate impeachment trial. We are counting on the intelligence community. Not only speak truth. The power but to To resist pressure from administration to withhold information from Congress because administration fears at bay incriminate. Them ship speaking on. ABC's this week Weakest Democrats pushed the Senate To consider new documents and witness testimony chef is one of the seven house impeachment managers. They filed an initial trial brief. Uh over the weekend laying out their case against the president. President Trump's lawyers expected to buy their own brief today. Nearly seven hundred people from the latest Central American Migrant Caravan turned themselves into Mexican authorities over the weekend James Frederick reports from the Mexico. Guatemala border they thought they would have the chance to stay legally in Mexico before the migrants made it to Mexico. President Andres Manuel Lopez over. The door announced his country had four thousand jobs and aid ready to receive the latest caravan so when they showed showed up at the border many migrants hand themselves in but few will be allowed to stay in Mexico. The country's Migration Agency announced that the majority of those migrants will be deported. Deported saying they're simply acting accordance with the country's migration laws however at the agency did say those who wished to apply for asylum would have that opportunity. Meanwhile while more than one thousand more migrants are still on the Guatemalan side of the border they plan to March to the Mexico border crossing Monday morning for NPR news. I'm James Frederick in Tapachula Mexico the Financial Markets in the US closed today for the Martin Luther King Holiday in Europe the major benchmarks declined in early trading this is npr the Venezuelan opposition leader. Guido is a neighboring Colombia. He traveled there to participate. Alongside Secretary of State. Mike Pompeo in today's regional regional counter-terrorism meeting was in Columbia despite a travel ban and bowls by Venezuela's Supreme Court Kansas City chiefs and San Francisco. Forty niners this will play in Super Bowl fifty four next month. It's the first super bowl for Kansas City. In fifty years the forty niners last played in the title game and twenty thirteen eighteen. Both teams qualified was strong performances in their conference championships on Sunday. NPR's Tom Goldman reports in the AFC championship. Kansas City overcame an early ten point deficit and beat the upstart Tennessee. Titans thirty five to twenty four chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes last season's. NFL MVP threw three touchdown passes and ran for another. The chiefs. Defense did a great job slowing down. Tennessee's previously unstoppable running back Derrick Henry now okay. ACS to figure out how to slow down a potent San Francisco running attack in Sunday's NFC championship game against the Green Bay packers. The forty niners offensive line open gaping being holes and running back where he moster took full advantage. He rumbled for a whopping two hundred twenty yards and scored four touchdowns in the forty niners. Thirty seven two twenty win in Tom. Goldman NPR news to NASA astronauts preparing for a space walk outside the International Space Station scheduled to get underway later. This hour with Christina Kokin congestive Amir teaming up to replace station batteries. They made history in October when they became the first all female spacewalking crew. This is N._p._R. News.

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Trevor Southerland & Jeff Ryer: Previewing the Special Session on COVID

Transition Virginia

46:42 min | 9 months ago

Trevor Southerland & Jeff Ryer: Previewing the Special Session on COVID

"Dow. Welcome to Transition Virginia The podcast that examines the transition of power in Virginia from Republican to. Democrat. My name is Michael Pope and I'm joined via skype with the CO host of Transition Virginia who is smoking a cigarette right. Now Thomas Bowen Thomas how're you doing? I am not smoking a cigarette for one. You do not want to be smoking in the days of Covid but. That is actually one of our guest today. Please welcome back Mr Jeff Rier, the Press Secretary of the Virginia Senate Republican Caucus, and we are not gonna add an applause here. Am I the only Republican you all know I'm just curious because I I think I might be the only the second one on the show who the other Republicans you've had on since I was last on because I was on as you all know inaugural episodes of of this podcast. So the seven or eight regular people who download it on the reason. But the Golden. Glenn Davis Natural Way. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Why don't you have an John Warner at? Bill bolling jet falling on. Our podcast is only like a minute into it and we've already fallen off the rails. Can I can I pulled this national? Welcome our guests the Press Secretary of the Senate Republican Caucus Jeff Rier, and we're also joined by the former. Director of the House Democratic Caucus Trevor Sutherland Trevor how you doing? I'm. Doing Marvelous. Thanks for having me on. I just. So happy to be here with Jeff, your old friend. Each flaws on the. One of the first podcasts at actually was not the inaugural podcast. Was Our second podcast in any event he was on very early and we were so glad to have him on. We have talked to a number of Republicans since that time and in fact, you can hit the subscribe button to find out more more. Open discussion by throwing out a question. I have heard it described that the Senate Republican Caucus and the House Democratic Caucus are the two most dysfunctional caucuses in America is that true? For the House Democratic Caucus, and dysfunctional listen or lack thereof. I was with the House Democratic Caucus. I joined in two thousand fourteen and we were thirty two members. When I left earlier this year, we were fifty five. So I would describe that as a fairly functional caucus. Okay. Well, so much to that theory. All right. We'll talk about the special session. So lawmakers are about to return to Richmond to put together a new budget with a revenue forecast as a result of all the money Virginia's not getting because of the pandemic and also examine a whole raft of criminal justice reform efforts. Trevor I'm going to go to you first because you're currently not part of the. Caucus, what do you expect to come out of this special session? Well, I mean it's a good question. I think you know recently we've seen that the budget might be in a little better shape than we had initially thought when we went into Kobe. So I think that's good that you know the budget hit isn't going to be as severe as it could have been. So I'm interested to see you know sort of what that ends up looking like I do think you're going to see some reforms that are needed. The committee starting looking at what we can do in the area of police reform. In sort of how we're monitoring those activities in Virginia I think the Legislative Black Caucus put out a very ambitious program that they're looking to enact, and so I think they sort of laid down a good guidepost with what they put out to say, Hey, this is. What we would be acceptable. It'll be interesting to see how much of that happens in the special or how much of it wait until next year maybe win the general session comes on the special session sort of initially was more about the budget and finishing and Kobe and then we've had everything happened recently that requires it to look a little further. I want to tap your institutional knowledge here and ask has there ever been a time when the General Assembly needs to rush back to? Richmond and to write a new budget because the old budget you have to throw in the garbage can. Now not to this extent, usually they're able to hold over until the. Until the budget amendments because he garnered is allowed leeway as far as changes that he can make unilaterally to the budget of the meantime as shortfall to prevent the General Assembly for cabinet. Comeback. And we're we just dealing with the budget I think the special session. Probably would have been manageable, but I think from a logistical standpoint. If you look back at special sessions, she just not going to see one like this where there's a potential for multiple bills, all of which require constitutional readings, committee hearings, public, airings at those committee hearings, and just a variety of birtles to hold it. So Trevor may be somewhat crashing and his comments of how many. Things end up being held over because generally special sessions are set up because consensus has already been reached or clear majorities on issues have already been reached and you're coming in just to kind of put a bow on everything. This has been called in a manner that's much more wide, open and wide ranging and I don't really know how practical that is for a part time legislature. Well let me follow up on that. So there's it's it's wide open it's wide ranging Can you ever remember a time when there was a special session that that wasn't just to put a bow on something that's already been predetermined that was this wide open and this anything could happen. No Trevor is at a problem for Democrats that they've brought people back to Richmond in a way where you don't really know what's going to happen and you haven't really nailed everything down. I I don't think so I think there still is a procedural resolution to go through and they're still you know time to look at white all will be discussed and will happen the special session. But I think it's it's an area where action needs to be taken and some of it needs to be sooner rather than later and you know Virginia being a part time legislature where seeing some of the faults in that system and it's something that has very good qualities to it but also has some very big downsides. So that's something we have to look at eventually to. I have a question for Jeff. Jeff do you think that this is going to be something where we can expect to see some bipartisan majorities? Republican crossover votes or do you think that this is GonNa be another opportunity for partisan splits and divides and maybe we don't even get anything out of the special session well, the Democrats majorities in both chambers. So presumably, they want to get things passed and they have unanimity among their party they'll be able to get past. But it'll depend on individual pieces of legislation as to whether or not they command bipartisan support or not. You've already seen some of the division line certainly The move to lower from felony need a misdemeanor assaulting a police officer garnered quite a bit of disagreement from our side but I don't know that there's that level of consensus and can't you can't separate What's What's going on? inside their from what's going on outside. The capital. which is you know we're going to be holding in this special session within ten weeks of a of a presidential election, which is when I think America is at its most parts. So the the opportunities for for division or are probably pretty hot. Jeff I WANNA ask you a question about some of the last minute drama that happened during the General Assembly session. When Senator Bola had build that delegates with Guzman also had on the house side about requiring employers to have paid sick days, and this is an effort to head quite a lot of support during the session to pass through the pass. Through the House passed the Senate and then at the very last minute it died in the Senate because senators were looking at the economy, the national economy going off a cliff and they were worried about the state having to pay a lot of money to have state employees have paid sick days and you saw a lot of Democrats actually help torpedoing that. Now with a special session, there has been all kinds of talk about figuring out some way to address the cost and bringing it back. What do you think is going to happen with that effort to mandate paid sick days in Virginia. I think all. That is almost entirely dependent upon the Democrat majority because I don't see that effort garnering any support among the Republicans at least the Senate. Will what want the Democrats want to do is To people who are twenty hours or more. So if you were part time, it wouldn't apply to you So you if you worked twenty hours or more this what includes state employees by the way, then you have the mandate paid sick days well, and if it includes state employees, then guess what you end up affecting the budget again at this point I, just don't see any appetite on our side to further burden Virginia businesses I don't see it at all. I have not heard any members suggesting all we need to put a new regulatory burden on businesses as they're struggling with co then I don't think so that just doesn't sound very attractive and I think it sounds. Frankly is counterproductive is we want to get people back to work. So Jeep firm put out a memo a report, the other day that explained why Corona Virus Vaccine Won't be available widely at the earliest until twenty twenty two. So what do you mean there won't be a single Republican senator that will support paid sick leave for vulnerable workers that are going to be getting sick again, and again because we are seeing that there's not that much antibody resistance that stays once you get sick from corona virus, which means you can actually get reinfected. So. What do you mean that we're not gonNA have any Republicans in Virginia supporting paid sick Thomas I think what you have to realize is that we look at these things as unfunded mandates on business which raises the cost of doing. So as a result, mandating these things is not necessarily productive if you're concerned about the workforce did if you've seen out of Your Day Thomas, did you study group also explain what the cost of that businesses would be with the cost of that state government would be. We think this money comes from my Gosh? said the cost to business is less than the cost to humanity what? Can I? Think about this. Presidential. Part of the right for you. I'm very proud to have already talked about on the podcast. I'm a warrant voter anyway. Anyway. Cold that's what we re. Why didn't you all nominate her because I got to tell you there is nothing American wants more than schoolmarm from New England Jesus Anyway. Here's a bottom line. Okay. You Got Twenty one democrats. In the Senate, you got fifty five in the house. If you want that policy, go sell down. Okay. We are very concerned about the economy being able to revive itself about forcing more unfunded mandates on business and expecting them to put people back to work. There are no free lunches, which is something that Elizabeth Warren has never seem to grasp. Then why would she earning close to four hundred thousand dollars annually at Harvard within GonNa Lovely Complex in Cambridge which I assure you is thoroughly integrated I mean come on. Get a clue I liked the move the discussion onto criminal justice reform. So the Senate Democratic Caucus had a press release where they had several different items that they're interested in pursuing during the special session prohibiting no knock warrants ending choke holds requiring deescalation attempts requiring warnings before shots are fired de Felony assault on law enforcement officers, Trevor. What did you make of the Senate? Democrats. Releasing this list. The House Democrats decided not to do that the House Democrats strategy is to have a bunch of public hearings and. Allegedly Republican put before they come up with their list. What do you? What do you make the difference strategy here between the Senate Democrats and the House Democrats I mean it's it's just a different strategy between whether you want to lay down Margaret go from there whether you want to gather information gathering input. I think everybody knows the House Democrats probably have an idea some of the things they want to do, and it's probably very similar to what we've seen from the Senate Democrats and from the Legislative Black Caucus every day we've seen people like jeff born luxury Sayer marcy. Price Don. Scott. Speaking out about things that need to happen and you've seen the speaker in the majority leader and others come on and say that this is what we planned. To make progress in special session, it's just a different strategy on whether you want to lay down the marker I or a little later. So that's that's all that is I do think a lot of the things the Senate Democrats mentioned are. Good to go and you know when you talk about like felony assault on a police officer. If you go up and punch a COP that still felony assault. There's a lot of things that need to be looked at with some of these laws, and some of it comes to not just issues that we've seen in the press recently but also issues between people with developmental delays or communication problems that may not be properly treated by police officer thinks they're being hostile who really just has an issue that the police officer doesn't know how to deal with. So there's a lot on the table Jeff. What did you make of that list that the Senate Democrats released while it was certainly ambitious for special session it is A. Lot of legislation, all of which requires public hearings, all of which requires committee hearings, all of which requires three readings, and that's on each side. By the way you know you've got to have committee hearings on both sides deals have to flip. You've gotta have constitution readings on both sides bills out flip. So it was certainly I think more than anything I was struck by the volume of it and the expectations of what could be done in a special session as opposed to a regular session, and it'll be interesting to see whether the Democrats decided to pick and choose or whether they decide to both are all of it. You mentioned the three readings I was speaking to senator earlier this week who was wondering if the Republicans were GonNA stand in the way of suspending the rules talk a little bit about what kind of time restrictions the rules put on things and do you see that there might be any shortcuts of that during the special session or Republicans going to sort of stand firm for the three readings and all the time it's associated with all that well I think it depends on the complexity and legislation and the individual circumstances. But remember you know generally how again how our special sessions usually conducted they're usually conducted because people are coming. To town to put a bow on an agreement of some kind or something that everybody knows has to be done on which there is consensus overwhelming majorities under those circumstances it's very easy to go in and wave readings and go out certainly if there had been some kind of budget agreement prior because the session I think that probably would have been envisioned because having worked with caucuses. Now for twenty years, I can tell you what the first question you get when you go into a caucus meeting at the beginning of the special session is and Trevor can tell you what the first question is as well. It's when do we go home? And you have to remember that they are part time legislators they have full time jobs, and as a result, it becomes somewhat problematic when you've got legislation of this level of complexity, I know that there will be a receptiveness to rushing. It is generally speaking rush legislation is legislation you have to come back later and fix. Thank you Jeff Daiki Trevor. We're GONNA. Take a quick break, and when we come back, we're going to talk about the future of the Republican Party. Art. Welcome back to Transition Virginia we're joined today by Jeff Dryer the Press Secretary for the Senate Republican caucus and Trevor Sutherland the executive director for the Halston Better Caucus we want to get into the future of the Republican Party. Now, the Republican Party is pat better times in the past they currently don't have any statewide offices they lost the house, they lost the Senate. So there's nowhere to go but up right fortunately, we're joined by one of the leading lights, the Republican Party who seems to be joining us from what appears to be. Fine to Barry Goldwater on my screen he's appearing to the right of Barry Goldwater Jeff. What is the future of the Republican Party? We'll first of all it you don't recognize the photo portrait is that Chester a Arthur ash is president arthur that is correct president. Is Arthur had the largest collection of pants did you know that the largest collection of slacks in America's? So Chester Arthur not quite a leading light of the Republican Party. Seem to have. Barry Goldwater and Chester. Arthur, behind you you, you don't know enough about Chester Arthur clearly I urge you to read the unexpected president came out just last year. He is a wonderful president and to some extent, the patron saint for political operatives everywhere. Because Chester Arthur shows just what political operatives can do when they are given the opportunity to lead. I doubt he's the most obscure. I think there are more. Prone. To Franklin, Pierce as being no wraps more obscure. Actually there's a there's a professor who studies this and has been doing it now for four years and what the guy does is he takes a survey every year and people are asked to name as many presidents as they can. And then they're also given after that a list of different names in asked to identify who is the president, the one who has the lowest level of recognition out of out of president is Chester Arthur number two is Millard fillmore. So Chester but we're in the middle of an Arthur renaissance. I believe his ratings are climbing. I feel very good about chat. Well now Arthur was a republican Franklin Pierce was a Democrat Millard fillmore was a wig. So there you got sit around, you're covering all your parties there with the three most obscure presidents. So Jeff Am I might understand the future of the Republican. Party is some sort of weird mash up between Barry Goldwater in Chester Arthur. No. No, I actually I actually have a collection of presidential posters, campaign posters. I. Have a lot of from the glory years. They used to spend money on that sort of thing, and they're they're all over the house. Most by the way, the ones that have the most of because they had the most money to spend are seventy, two, the Nixon one in seventy two or just incredible. Actually the government wants from that year excellent too. But obviously, I don't have those up. The. Future. Future. The future. Well I think. No stalling I think our future is is very promising. Virginia is not an and is not going to be a one party state anybody who believes that it has permanently moved into progressive thought need only wait and that's really been the story. Of Virginia, Second World War is that it will go for Republicans under the right circumstances it will go for Democrats under the right circumstances nobody has a permanent majority and I believe it will be very competitive in in the coming years I. Think it's more challenging for either party when their party. As the White House and I think that's just a reality of the circumstance part of it is us being as close as we are to Washington but part of too is there's a certain amount of hunger. The develops especially in swing states when your party is out of the white. House. And it gives a built in advantage to the supporters of the party who is out of the White House. Let me throw something Jeff just said it you which is what happens in the hypothetical situation where trump lose reelection and we have president by. Traditionally speaking what happens in Virginia is there's a backlash right and the next election. If you think about two, thousand nine, there was the reaction to Obama and if you go back historically speaking there has been this sort of reaction where the party that comes to power. Has a backlash against it are the Democrats on the verge potentially having a backlash against Democrats in two thousand, twenty one. You might see a little in some areas, but I don't think it's going to be as severe as it's been in the past I. Think you know with the mccauliffe winning thirteen I think what you've really seen since then is the Republican ration-. In Virginia, has sort of fallen apart and I don't see it getting itself back together that quickly Even if you look right now with the possibilities of WHO's going to run statewide on the democratic side, we have several potentially wonderful nominees for almost every office and on the Republican side. You're not seeing that as much. You're seeing a limited field of what I see is as subpar nominees so I. Think there's a chance for some backlash, but I also just think that the last few losses that the Republican Party has faced has put it in a hole that even that federal backlash may not be able to save quite yet maybe at some point but I, don't think it's going to happen twenty one. Yeah, I obviously would disagree with that strenuously. I I, I think that if the Democrats do take the White House by the particularly if they take the White House in the Senate by the time, we get to November of twenty, twenty, one I think the Democrats will be hurting. We'll see we'll see I. don't now I think you know Amanda Chases Independent Candidacy might might hurt some to. There are other people who are looking at it just because they haven't declared as of yet and believe me a lot of people are holding back waiting to see how the outcome of the presidential race that's somewhat typical as well. If you hold any statewide offices, the natural gravitation toward it, you know where you say, Oh, well, the lieutenant governor's writing the Attorney General's writing. You know we don't. We don't have that. Of course is there anybody that you would speculate on at this point on who might run well? We know of Three names that are out there. Now, you certainly at Senator Chase Borham senator, Carrico and Snyder is mentioned with great frequency. I don't know that he has gotten to the stage where he's at the exploratory state I think if I were to win, you'd probably others jumping in I think if Biden Word Win you assume that that point Democrats would hold the House of Representatives. So Co.. Whitman might give it another look. He certainly was interested in the past. So I, I don't think it'll be a shortage of potential contenders and I think the Democrats have given us a lot of openings just by the legislation that they've they've passed through so far Thomas is love it was standing. As it passed yet. All we have others you're are as real wet so you know. So, in the last couple election cycles Democrats have picked up so many. Republicans seeds, I'm wondering, do you think Jeff? Do you think it's possible that Republicans could recapture any of those seats that they lost. So which one do which ones do you think are most likely pickups that that Republicans could gain backseats that they lost recently? The twenty eighth district and how was the Stali seat in the house comes to mind instantly. Remember to we don't know for certain as of yet that we're going to have the same districts I mean you have to think that's a distinct possibility because of the in the census that we would have to be running in twenty one in the same district that they were running into nineteen simply because without census numbers, you can't redistricting and I don't know how late Virginia's is going to be provided with the census numbers next year those are the two that come immediately to mind. I'd have to remember I was on the Senate side so we're looking at an entirely different. Group of seats and we have three more years to wait. So by the time our seats are up, they will be revisted. I would think the house would make another play at hearst's see not just because of his own personal difficulties but because anything that's west and twenty nine continues to trend in the same direction. I'm sure there's other seats missing and I feel badly but I'm I'm not as up on the house. Seats as I am the Senate seat. So overly my house colleagues will forgive me not remembering their their top target, which I'm sure there are oh, the Richmond area seats they they were to that they played for very heavily. heavily last time three, which they used to hold those those definitely be things that they'd be looking at it that would be in play I, think they held all their chesterfield seat so. Trevor we've got you here which House seats do you think the Republicans are most likely to target? I mean I think Jeff mentioned some that they're likely to target. They're likely to try to go after Nancy Guy. They might try to go after Kris Hurston when he died us or You know again they went after. Fan Valkenberg and tried to win the seat currently heard by held by Willett which was Deborah Rodman seat. So I think you might see them try to go after those again but I also think you're going to see them on the defensive in districts. Open as well. I forgot about the Guzman Open. Yeah Yep you know there's other people that might run for office A. Gala has announced really tenant governor So there's situations where there's GonNa. Be some open seats but I also think there might be some some open seats are currently held by Republicans There's some Republicans that have spent the last couple of years barely holding on elections and the question is how many more times can they do that? As to you talking about specifically I, mean, as assuming we're under the current district you've got to look at the Kirk Cox. C.. You've got to look at the Roxanne Robinson See. Even down you know even Amanda Baton seat was not one. Very heavily so There's places where you can make plays who who's the other Virginia Beach see that I'm that I'm thinking about you know there's there's four of five. yet, Davis and Further, south, sorry just blanking on the name I mean, there's there's four or five six Republican held seats in the House right now that were close when it was just the House and Senate up. Know when you put a statewide campaign on top of it, I think those seats come more into play so You know that's that's something you're going to have to look at and the first You know financial reports that just came out were not good for House Republicans. So you know that's always the question. How many defenses are they gonNA spend on and how many offenses will that allow them? And another sort of wild card in this discussion is what the heck is redistricting going to look like and that's a direct result of what happens this November. There's this potential amendment on the ballot, and so let's think about the different scenarios here does the what's the scenario with the amendment and how that plays out versus with out the amendment this up to either WanNa talk about this I'm just wondering like is, do you prefer one of the scenarios over the other or do you think they're it? All kind of is going to basically be the same thing or are they're radically different outcomes depending on if the amendment wins or loses? I mean I guess the first question honestly is Windy we census data the census data could make that question irrelevant quite frankly if it comes in too late I think if the constitutional amendment passes, there's a process that that group has to go through. That may be moved slower than if that constitutional amendment wasn't in place. So I think it really comes down mortar the census data than does the Constitutional Amendment Jeff Du? I concur I mean it it really more than anything the timing of the census data and whether or not it's available, which ordinarily wouldn't be questioned we we've never had a problem in the past, but this year, as you can tell, the census has been delayed. Technically we're all supposed to have it filled out by April, one of this year well. You know you're watching some efforts to get people to fill them out now. So that's a major part of it and that that will be determinative. Jeff was there a situation where the they ended up having to run on the old seats and then the next year they had another election to run a new seats and the four year they had to get a regularly scheduled elections said there were like three elections within three months. We. Explain what happened then, and are we likely to something similar now the Democrat Majority General Assembly. Redistricting away that did not go over well with the courts. And the plan was thrown out. And as part at the relief from the plan, the plaintiffs managed to get the court to force a run under the new lines. The. Same Year. That's how. Three times happened I don't when what time period are we talking about? Eighty? One eighteen, eighty, one, eighty, two. That's correct. What's District what is it that? That yeah that was the problem it was it was multi. There were like super delegates. It was a Radha convoluted plan as most of the Democrat plans were because it was difficult to figure out a way to keep them all in power during that period of time. But legislature or the commission would have to behave. Allegedly to get a court to do that again, and that really was what the circumstance was during the eighties it was viewed by the court as as a recalcitrant legislature and and. They showed them Aren't the same because. All kinds of reasons but sure the situation where you've got this election under the old map and then the subsequent year election under a new map, and then the following year, the regularly scheduled election. Could we see something like that trend's happening now? I I would I would I would say that it's it's not likely. There's a lot of theory about that but I just don't see the circumstances replicating themselves and if the house run of under the old lines for another two year term, I don't think the courts knowing that the Senate wouldn't be up until twenty twenty three. Any way would see it as a particularly problematic circumstance Donald Thomas. Lippman that'd be like a full employment act for people who do consulting three consecutive years of elections. Yeah. It's it's bright future I guess for us but for the rest of America not so much I'm sorry that. The legislators would have to run. It's not easy to be a part time legislature as it is and three years in a row sounds miserable to me. All right well, guys. Let's take a break. When we come back, we're going to preview the twenty twenty, one election. Or back on Transition Virginia were talking to Trevor Sutherland the former Executive Director of the House Democratic Caucus and Jeff Rier the press secretary for the Senate Republican Caucus Trevor I'm interested in picking your brain about twenty twenty. One everybody's favorite parlor game talk about the current state of the top of the ticket everyone wants to know who's going to be the next governor, and there's been lots of people that have already thrown their hat into the ring a year out before the primary and yet the person that seems to be the odds on favourite hasn't even announced yet. What is the state right now of the Democratic primary for twenty? Twenty one. Well I mean, I think you've got you know Jennifer Carroll who actually planned on jumping in earlier than she did Cova delayed her announcement and I think that's largely. Because she's relatively newer and unknown in large part of the state. So if she's going to make a jump to governor, she's going to have to spend more time campaigning and more time getting known and obviously Cova has thrown a little bit of a wrench in that Jennifer McClellan made her announcement just Recently, she's been somebody that's been speculated to run several times, and so I think she's a very interesting prospect, and then of course we're all. Waiting to what governor Macao's decision is certainly looks like he's going to run up at he has said he's he's not GonNa make that decision until after November sort of going back to what Jeff said earlier of people waiting to see what happens on the federal level. On that issue I'm curious if Biden wins won't Mukalla have a very strong temptation to potentially join the Biden cabinet. Temptation he'll be campaigning for it. For God's sakes he wants to be commerce secretary. He wanted to be commerce secretary for years ago. He still wandering why he couldn't take the plane to Chappaqua that night. I I sure I am sure that President Biden would would love to have governor McAuliffe in his administration I. Think the question for Governor McAuliffe is is that something he wants to do or you know just want to go back into an executive role you know that's something you've heard a lot about people who have have been in politics you know once they've. Been Governor once they've had that executive role, they don't necessarily like going back into a role that's no longer that executive position. So I think that's a question he's going to have to answer for himself at some point but Makala is playing the long game and McCulloch potentially wants to be president wouldn't joining the Biden administration be a better way of following that path. I mean possibly, but you know also it's it can be harder to get back ignition. There's going to be a vice president under Joe Biden, there's going to be you know if you're thinking about McAuliffe is commerce secretary, there's going to be a secretary of state. There's going to be a you know new. Senate. Leadership Win Democrats take the majority in the Senate. So you know you're gonNA see stuff flipped. To contact. I need you. So. You're to see that but there's going to be other people on the national level. Where's again when you're governor of a state, you get to be the governor you get your take credit for what happens in that state. It's harder from a commerce secretary position to take credit for brought things you can take credit for commerce, but you can't necessarily take credit for everything that's happening. And Jeff on the Republican side. If, you think about the Republican primary for governor. Let me let me check my notes here. There's There's Amanda Chase Right. and Bill Carrico Impeach Bill. Okay well bill. Carrico hasn't announced yet, but let let's say on everything but I mean. Alright. Recall has an announced either I didn't hear you talk about the throwdown between you know Carol McClellan. As Carrico. Have a million dollars in the bank. We don't know about that. No no no. No. Look. These racist tend to develop a little differently go back and show you the Washington. Post. Articles about Gov- Mary Sue Terry. And because there was just this automatic assumption that George Allen broke after coming out of a Republican convention. Good win by the way the polling showed he. G He was governor remember that and it was kind of a large margin to You know it's a little difficult to make projections on what is going to happen in the following year in Virginia following presidential election. Beyond the fact that you know that one party is going to have the wind at their backs if they just lost the White House. Did, I hear you correctly earlier in suggesting that Rob Wittman might be interested in running for governor. Rob. WITTMAN has expressed interest before and running for governor. If you remember correctly, he was campaigning for it when Ed Gillespie was going for the nomination and rob step back so He has expressed interest before right now he's obviously committed to winning his house seat, but you know politicians look at things differently depending on the the circumstances they're in. If suddenly you're looking around and Nancy Pelosi is in charge for the next four years and Joe Biden is or next two years rather Joe Biden is president United States the governor of Virginia might look a little bit more attractive trevor. What do you make of the imbalance between all of this pool of all these many people who have already announced for governor in Virginia and yet on the Republican side there's only one what do you? Make of that imbalance well, I mean it's it's where the momentum minimum currently is. It's the Democrats have the momentum in Virginia. We've elected a lot of new people in the last four years that you need to get their names out if they want to go into that statewide position. So for those folks whether you're talking about Jay Jones versus Shannon Kayla versus possibly other people for a g whether you're looking at LG got Hala Ayala possibly Elizabeth Gu's Mon- possibly Andrea McClellan you know you're looking at people who need to get their name out they want to be on top of that on the Republican. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You're not GonNa Throw Justin Fairfax into that mix. Name I haven't heard his name mentioned once today. Why is it that I didn't. Either I don't know what either one of them. We're. GonNa do yet. But what about? What about mayor skinny jeans you haven't mentioned him either is he is he gonna run for for for something higher up? Who knows. there. We have a very deep bitch on the democratic side. We have a very deep bench and only three statewide elected offices on the Republican side. You've got Amanda Chase and I. Did see it looks like Glenn Davis wants to get the minivan out of retirement and for L. LG. Again. So that's exciting. Are The Mini okay look. A winnebago. Glenn or good friends on twitter he loves me there. So I'm excited about that possibility but otherwise, they're all waiting and hoping that Abidin win will do that traditional. Change back where they suddenly have momentum again. So I think that's what you're seeing on their side and and we don't have that problem right now. So I've got a question for the two of you. Really one of the things that really irks me in this covid. is seeing all of the campaign emails coming in asking for money and so many people right now are unemployed and don't have it. How do you raise money for could be a forty million dollar race by the end of it. When everybody's out of work and suffering from Corona virus what's going on for these statewide candidates? Well I think you've also seen a lot of them have put sorta disclaimers on their email that have said things like you know if you're able at this time and and things like that but look people who want to give or still going to give if they're able. And so as a campaign, you've still got to ask because you've you've still got to hit those fundraising numbers. So I think we're going to keep getting those emails. We're GONNA, keep seeing them come across in as of right now from the recent finance reports, people are still a giving pretty generously. So it'll be interesting to see how that holds up as Cova develops. I actually don't think code is as large a fundraising problem as it is for the statewide people competing with the federals right now. Because the federal campaigns are raising astronomical sons and they are kind of the moment and they're setting up an awful lot of oxygen I mean as a Republican. The president, his daughter, Laura his son John Junior. Occasionally Eric these people text me three and four times a day. It's amazing I mean I hear from them possibly the and there's all kinds of clubs I can join and everything. I. Can be part of the Platinum Club VIP club can be on the donor wall you know and and they're sending me a free flag welcome mat at the all kinds of all kinds of Smith's and premiums. It's hard to compete with that. Campaign finance in Virginia, such a messy messy topic because it's pretty much the wild west and a lot of ways you know anything goes just report it right Anything goes just reported. I think has served the state well in comparison to dark money at the federal level. Yeah and you know something that isn't discussing a whole bunch but I would put our system up against what has been structured at the federal level which was designed to create reform and everything else which. I think as had the opposite effect Chevy, what are the impact of these big checks in an era of covid where it might be tougher to get all these small donors? Does that have an outsized influence from your experiences finance director for the caucus? I mean obviously it it matters big checks. Are you know Nice Nights Toge-? So I, I think it's a big thing I. Do you know Sorta think campaign finance reform is something that it's it's easy to talk about it's hard to do for the reasons that Jeff mentioned you know it's it's easy to say. People should be able to millions to campaigns because that's you know a lot of people would agree with that statement but I've worked in states with limits limits on the federal level, and if people want to get involved their ways, they can do it whether it's a C. Three C. Four and five, twenty seven to pack whatever it is and a lot of. 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Biggest Questions For Every Playoff Team

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Biggest Questions For Every Playoff Team

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And you know, what type of thing he's gonna say it? It takes it takes a bigger man to be like, oh, no. He had about a career to me. But he said he had about a career in me. But I still do my thing. But Nope, he wanted to go all out and say you had a better career, then to Wayne waves ironic that his name was the truth. Question that puts them in this spot though because you don't wanna play yourself off. He has a pretty big ego. And he thinks he was that man throughout his career. So he owes ace them. So I definitely do what you're saying. When they said it up that they set it up that way, it's for TV, and it's people to talk. And that's the thing. They're very successful. Because it's been on my man, a lot Sissy said it, and it's funny because he was left, and when he said it, so I think he kind of knew the reaction he was gonna give from everyone. I just hope that we never get to that point where we're just saying dump stuff for people to talk about us that we ever will we too we too good at what we do. Those is no point. I somebody said they can gar KB. And we know the realization of it. It got to the point. So after every Tuesday, we record our show we go to the gym, right? And at the gym last week, we run a fool's. It was us four and one of our friends, but our team had to split up. And it's a fool corn game. And none of us are really SAP anymore. We're trying to get back to that. There's a men's league that we want to join soon. So we could get in shape, but regardless de meals with all my team all do them on team. All three of us were on the same peer was on the opposite thing. And boy, it was it was horrible. This man say he can guard. Kevin durant? They said he can guard Jordan this prime. You couldn't be that hard to guard Jordan this when I was I was in my prime when I'm couldn't guard out. He always brings up. He says when he was in his prime, right, which I've never even seen one of the funniest moments. Is we all fence me and my team? This man had must have just scored or did something on office and him dead tire on defense. So he and LA La Land just just moving, but he not guard. Nobody not Gordon so I'm running and I'll here control say de meals, you're gonna guard anybody. Andy meals say, yeah, I am. Kidding say who? Spending that the free throw line nothing talk about guard. No. Everybody, man. He does his own layer. Yeah. That was just crazy. And then I made it a point that I would never be teams with Derek at Mike again at the same time at the same time there. Because he has more work on me because he doesn't have to give back. So I had the guard. Multiple people always juggle. We're guard one. That's a fact that's definitely a fast thing, you that purpose show work you both part Bucer. It's sad to give back and be the papers. The last two weeks. Mike has guard. Someone has killed him. Oh, do we before? Like he had to do with both. It's tough. We don't get safe though, we will get and say, hopefully, we join a league, but let's get into playoff talk. So we get technically what we have eighteen teams. Well, yeah, we have a week thing. So it's a news conference. But we still got like the heat and the Hornets are still fighting like they still got a chance to make it. So there's eighteen total teams that are fighting for a playoff spot right now and every night matters because like last night the Miami Heat loss and who else and then the Hornets one. So that helps them out a little bit. And then the pistons lost. Okay. See so like each game matters. And what scares me the most is that the Brooklyn nets have the toughest schedule left in the league. And they're not secure. I'm so afraid for them because they've been having a great season. And then they have the last game of season against the Miami, Heat, which is going to be the one that's going to be the one that matters the most. And then the heat last night, they drew up a play for the way, which makes sense because. Way. And he's one of the clutches players ever more clutch depaul peers, and he sold out see him do the double pump fake and the Josh Koji was his there and instead of passing and one more to draw Jake he took a contested shot in the game, and they lost Nazi too. But when I'm seeing when I look at the Miami Heat is it they're better team on the road. Weirdly, they are under five hundred at home and above a hundred on the road. And they I mean, I guess that will be going into the playoffs says they won't have home advantage. I personally would like to see them. I know magic fans and would probably like to see the magic. But I just don't know how much I just imagining at the number seven seed gonna use the rap. Well, let's let's get right into the magic one of our teams when we talk about burning questions going into the playoffs. Right. So my biggest question for the Orlando. Magic is what's the point? Literally. What's the point of making the playoffs? I know you haven't done in the wild. So maybe you wanna get your fan something, but I've talked to a couple. Orlando Magic fans, and they say the same thing, what's the point Busa vich may walk this off season. And then you're back to be an lottery say most likely so why not just be a lottery team? Now. Even if it means you got three percent chance of that. I overall pig. It's still a three percent chance you get Zairean or you get somebody else. That's very very good. But if you turn out to make the playoffs and buy your track record draft. Not that great. You know what I mean? So what's what's the point? Because right now, they're what the seventy. So they'll go against the Toronto. Raptors guessing all of us are picking a rap there's four or five in a serious. So like what's really the point of making the playoffs this year because they've been right? They haven't been right there. They always start off hot, right? Was really good. They look like they're going to be a potentially team, and they always fall off, and then they end up being bottom bottom feeders. So now, they're they're so why not why not get there? Let's get there. We've always been so close whether is get there now or maybe to your point about the three. Percent chances. Hey, we not getting one of those top guys not getting John job Moran. We're not gonna Zaire more than likely lessons. Go for you know, what I mean? Because if we go for. In and have a first round exit. Our draft pick might be as close as to where it was going to be. So if they don't make the playoffs they might get a thirteen fourteen pig because they almost made it. But if they do make the get like six is I you know, we we in the same range unless a miracle happens, and they might wanna get maybe some people have their false hope and false belief unit. They did make the playoffs. Nobody expected them to go far. All right. So does this build on them keeping that trying to keep that team together? That's what I was going to ask like how many of their current pieces that are playing big time minutes for them are part of the long term future. Like, John Isaac Aaron Gordon, but who else I think starts whether maybe. They signed him to get him traded. I think it all starts with route from the terms of their plans for the future to be honest. If they could bring his team back like we're losing to bring a civic, and you have four neighboring Gordon, and I mean even terrorists roles he I think has one year left. So he's even somebody that they have to worry about leaving. Because I would imagine him trying to go to contenting with the Sixers can use Emma, something, but. Yeah. I I don't understand it either. I really don't understand it. Let's look at what they have also have Markelle coming back. Yeah. True. That is true, which we we don't know much about. But we guess mobile was gonna come back. Eventually they last two games. I mean, they're going to have to win. They're gonna have to play some bad some playoff basketball to close the season out. There are a decent team. But this long term plan wise is very marketing now for actually long time re this is like they're selling with the rest of the have this is just facts like they are facts, they're never going to be better than what they are. Now, they have the Celtics tomorrow, and they have the Hornets on Wednesday after beating the hawks last night. I those last two games, right? They got two games left to seize is crazy. We're about that the playoffs playoffs literally start next Saturday. That's crazy. How many waiting for it for a while? Now looking at this roster. I mean, yeah, I don't I don't I don't know you you alluded to or gave him his credit last week. Michael Carter Williams hasn't been good with them. DJ Augustine is a veteran who has playoff experience but outside of that. Terrance all Sona raptors team, maybe yes and playoff experience and made it to the second round, but it's a young team. So I mean that could be something maybe they want to get young people some experience, I don't know. Making a playoff. There's never a bad thing for organization. So that's that's another way to look at it. And like I said this this has been there they're selling they haven't whenever. The last hour. I can't remember it might be that was it last night. That was like the finals, Dan wasn't. Yup. They might have made it after he after the Las Vegas. I'm not looking up. Because now it's going to bother me if I don't Orlando Magic playoff history because I feel like they made it one time after the way Howard because I'll wait no because JJ read it was with the white Howard last time they made it was twenty ten twenty seven season. Which is I got twenty eleven twenty twelve season. They got they lost some five against the Pacers in the first while I dismissed that seeing thirty seven and thirty so they they barely made it a lockout sceviour another teams play. All right. So I'm going to just look at like who was on that roster that they made the playoffs that year. So they have Ryan. And this was the last of our ear. So do I however was on this roster? Quin words is Smith hito, but he's old thirty three years old Jimmy or Nelson is at thirty. So stay barely made the playoffs where they they made it. The highest wind share person that team was Ryan's and Dwight Howard didn't even play in the playoffs. They are who do you think their top scorer was in the playoffs. I'm going to result some absence hito, Quin Richardson, JC Registan JJ Jamir Nelson. The Andre liggins. Chris Doohan Glenn Davis or Ryan Anderson who was their top point per game getter in the five game series against the Pacers Anderson or Jason Richardson, Jamir Nelson, Jason Richards. It was Glenn Davis one thousand nine points per game. In those five games. Advantage the big bowling ball nine hundred thousand nine. Yeah. They haven't made them what six years. So you know, that's that's a bit of a drought especially for a team that before it was making it every year Eastern Conference. First rice car was first round Houston conference finals loss in the finals semifinals. So I mean, they just don't develop their draft peaks. Well, I mean, they traded away victim of the depot. Now, he turned out to be very good. They tried to offer payden and those late in the season. He's been playing really good. I mean, the minutes don't count that much. But like I could see him potentially taking a jump where not not all type jump. But he's a quality starter that would be needed right now. But then again, you know, they do have some town. Aaron Gordon has has progressed has been slow, but he's progressed Jonathan Isaac. She looks at this. They need. They need a big second year from Obama. And I think they need Marquel foes to come out and be anything you're going to get their big thing year from Obama's delivers which walk. I think it's the way that they could coexist because I don't I don't know what I mean by big big second year from Obama. It's just any production. 'cause I mean looking at his numbers right now played forty seven games, averaging six points. But you also have many minutes though, pretty sixteen minutes. I'm not sure if they can't coexist. Yeah. Because neither one can shoot. Now. I don't mean on the same Florida gather. But I mean, you you don't have the brain mobile man and give them thirty five minutes off the jump. Both of them. Cannot get down though. They both have okay jumpers and they both cashew because I mean, the only plan thirty one minutes. So is that a lot? Let's gotta be like top ten in a league ain't thirty one minutes. Yeah. Think so because I think Bradley Beal league in minutes right now. And I think he's averaging like thirty four minutes. That's like people people ain't getting their rats. They want to be dating. Nobody those Lou Alday. Thirty seven is where Bradley Beal and that's leading the league league at thirty seven minutes per game. And Bradley Beal has not missed a game since he's okay. Somebody else out of team that their biggest question for them is. Well, who is who is a right above them. This order you got the magic which was though I have the nets. Yes. I have the nets. My biggest question for the necessary. Just the the youth and experience. I mean at this point you have to make the playoffs number one. And their last three games against the books Pacers. And he can't be. Kaby alluded to they ever toughest scheduled to end in the in the season and try to make it to the playoffs. And if they do make it to the playoffs. I don't know what to expect from them because who want her team has any playoff experience there guys that they're going to be leaning on J Diller yet. Crab as play experience. But he's out. Yeah. I think it's another one of those teams that they just want soon as they hope to make the playoffs in hope to take that experience and move on because it's the same that like you said this is a young core or not, and you can see them staying together for the next few years and continuing to develop they missed opportunity where they needed to stay. So they could play the yes. And if they were to been able to stay there, they would have been able to pry advance. But the Pacers have also dropped to. Yeah. So y'all follow j dead on Twitter. He'd be just giving people tickets the game. He he's a good follow. So after the bucks beat the seventy Sixers, right? They clinched like the best record in the league j del quoted the tweet us like so Janas rest, then right because I got a gorgeous John stakes this week's like restaurant because they desperately need that win immersion are going to risk him. Probably you'd think so because I think China's still trying to keep that p campaign going up he needs these last couple of games, and we don't get to him. We don't get. Yeah. This is my biggest question for the nets is the youth and experience unlike the magic, I can see why they will want this like Mike say they have a young court. That's shown some promise this year, which has been great for them because his rear rare that you have these young players. You have so many young players this show bright spots all together one season. I remember the beginning of the season. It was like cares the verb. Then he got hurt Spencer Dinwiddie day and got his extension and Indiana Russell came out and took the rest of the season by being all star most improved player candidate, even within their your Jerry Allen doing his thing. Kuralt's? Yes, Joel Harris was three point shootout winter until here's the old true on a low like he says turn and really like pretty good, but he's like twenty eight twenty nine, but they also got some good vets. Like Ed Davis is very good vet Demari Caros ago that they vary. Ross right there. That's the play of experience right there. Davis and Mark care, and they just got extensive right Keniakin Senna his entire staff to sky extensions which is great because they've been doing a very very good job over two. So they whole movement is kinda the opposite of magic. They all wanted to you know, they all gonna take this playoff experience and use it because they lack experience, and when you go on and get the team right now, they'd be going against the books. They would they would need some experience because I don't think any of them like what's it going to be to answer for group for you? I don't think anything has it. Especially them when the Mari kerogen the Solomon. I don't know. Right, actually. Yeah. That's definitely their plan. Because I got a quote Janas on centers defending him that shit doesn't work. So. I like that he blocked Joel and beat the other night. He did it four times. Yeah. Bomb it the big one the one the because what what'd you say? I'm the most the stoppable force in the NBA. Yeah. This is like, okay. Does the title that he shouldn't give themselves. Here will give it to them. Effect. You know, but that's really all it is. But I think it's a good thing that they making the playoffs. I'm ruined for them to make the playoffs. Even though they have the toughest schedule down the road. I would love to see them in the heat. Obviously the Wayne ways last year, we all wanna see getting there. But like interested like he said, it would be a big disappointment of this team ended up not making it at the having such a good year next team. I got the Pacers. Okay. And I think the biggest the biggest question for them is who's going to step up and take over not in terms of just for victims of deep slows absence. But who's going to step it up? When when there's somebody on the team is struggling such as by Donovan's play last night. And I think he had a rough shooting performance who's going to be the next person that's going to put up fifteen twenty points. Or maybe even have a big scoring verse game to help them get to the next level without Victor. I don't think that this is, you know, Eastern Conference finals team or anything like that. They could be out in. Or second round. Probably I think they got to just take this year and go for the experience because like I said a lot of these other teams, including them have a cord that they're probably going to keep together for the next few years in hope they just keep building on in terms of reach into the sort of finals, they better they better pay whatever by Donna vich one. Because if he walks it's a little bit scared. But if he also if he walks they have enough money for like a max guy. So it's interesting, but I don't know if they're going to get a max guy in Indiana. But like as far as your question goes, that's a very good question. Because by Donald's has been very very good for them offense and defense good for those things are going to offer them money. Teams are going the way he's been playing for the past two seasons. Seems all offer him. I the blazes. Yet ain't don't get me excited ain't got the money for that. They got to get rid of avatar hark list. They had nothing that they need. But I'm just like he will be less. You Reverend Turner's contract. Now, he's got one more after this one. I'm pretty sure he's got a player option and. Declined eighteen meal. As far as the Pacers. They have some options to pick up some of this going slack. If down the and when he doesn't. Be the main guy. I mean, look at Tara Gavin's, then I think he would have to. He's been bad deceased last night was tough for him as well. I think Z Matthews. You would have to ask him down. I think once the Mexican happy one of those big supporting cast, I don't see Betty's young coming up in becoming a big time player for deep unease players. I don't know what miles Turner is going to become. I mean, I don't know him going outside of his show, and then come in, you know, twenty point type of school or some in the playoff. It's just I don't know if they I know they have a lot of players that's gonna play hard outta know. Who's just going to be there guy? I don't think they need to they need guy. But obviously is going to be back committee. Now, they have to do it as a team. They can no longer rely on one person. They gotta come out. And you got to execute play. They gotta get everybody involved. They can no longer rely on one person that go and get them a bucket would that be enough against the Celtics? Do they have any chance? Yes. Yes. Because the last thing about them as they defend like crazy like they could win a game where they put up eighty seven points in the NBA. Like, that's crazy. Do they have a tests because the Celtics hell year, but am my picking them. Probably not. Yeah. Because I mean last night by not on the air four. Points on twenty four minutes. Thad only had ten Cory Joseph the nights seven and eight was the Matthews had ten. That they banned Doug McDermott head. He levin. So bonus twelve and six Aaron holiday eleven Tyree. Kids will that's the type of thing that they will need to continue to news. I mean, that's to me that's enough from the bench. All you need at this point is your started. Yeah. By non having to put on more than four points, and Thaddeus young king ten, but you know, if you able to get eleven from Aaron holiday Doug McDermott is giving you eleven I mean, you gotta you gotta be able to take that you gotta that's a lot from them guys. I think the bonus usually would have a better game than twelve and six I think. I think they series. We'll go like six or seven has the potential to that has a lot of these series of potential to go six or seven and the first row out on the east north the west Heo year when isse I feel like a lot of those series fo- fast. You a nice matchup though, that's going to be ruined ruined. Grow far matchup. Who's the next thing? But I know the nets in parks are who pay closing the pig. Because I don't know if you gave a question is this Celtics. So I got the Celtics, man. So I said Gordon Hayward and he beat at twenty point score in the playoffs. He really has to deal as two games. He's been. Okay. He's he's Bob. Twenty four one game. They also they gotta have him nesia. They gonna forget what happened in a regular like that they got to come out. And they gotta just figure out that this new season. We don't put over Dame behind us all that drama even with carry all this past. We don't come out. We won't get the job done. And they just don't big out of just play basketball. They can't worry about what happened in the past Gordon Hayward in wondering why they were able to win so easy last night. And he did have twenty one like you said they are on a three game win streak and they're gonna close the season with the magic and the wizards. So they might is a possibility that ain't going to play offs on a five game winning streak, and they might not want I seen instead about ongoing Hayward. And when he had hit his first shot during the game he has like fifty percent on the game. But if he misses that fish eggs, she was like thirty. Oh, that's interesting. So got to go win. I how he starts. All wow, a breasts even them up play to get a lay of the game. You play for your phone. No. Love Melania, and you'll get a malaria now, he's been very he's been pretty good recently. He's been way better than Marcus Morris has been so my question is how this Brad Stevens, man. Instead, he just say Marcus you not getting because he's been averaging like thirty one minutes a game. So do you only get fifteen minutes, a decent amount of open is just doesn't fall. I think markets Moore's brings a grit in defense that they need. L? I know mine ascend. I haven't Marcus smart. Yep. So I don't think Moore's is the guy that you could just take out your lineup because then your your team loses that intensity he's like that. Do you got? And he says he says some big shots to they're the most intriguing team because I can see them winning the east toward being eliminated in the first round. It's say so weird. So we I've never thought of a team like that. But here we are in it's because of the. That we are talking about I'm looking at Gordon Hayward twenty one and twenty five last games. But then again before that he had eleven negative ten plus minus he had a streak of gangs. We had a nine three three and six thirty. So I mean, it was against the warriors. Yeah. Is very inconsistent. Because one of the games he had three points Washington. And he played twenty play twenty four minutes regardless though, this is a step in the right direction. I mean, we knew it wasn't going to be instant us going to get on a core. And be the Gordon Hayward that he was so if he takes this playoff run to just be show more glimpses of what he was in the next year. He comes back, and he's very good. Then I think that's a w foot of for the Celtics, especially if like, Harry leaves or something or Al Horford leaves a thing needs to happen for him to. Other thing he needs need. I think after leg injury like that. Sometimes it takes longer than just like a year. Yeah. Sometimes days a little bit longer. And you can see it now that he's getting more confident because when you come off that injury. You're scared to reinjured facts. Now, he's like coming into it. He's molding. And now he's gonna sculptors back part of me wants to say a change of scenery. I like trade him. Yeah. I would say it would be better for him. If just kyri left, and he was saying there's more of a his team taboo, wouldn't it be more? So like Jason Tatum saying I mean, he was going to be a larger option then he would have played this year. And I think I don't think he's like a Katya James harden where he's going to try to take twenty twenty shots. But I think he's definitely a guy that you can put the ball in his hands and times, he's a very good play Merican. Joe Ingles type away. So you can be a ball hand on their pick a roller. He could come off screens and kind of play make for you. I think because he he seems like a Boston Harbor guy, and he would brand Stevens in terms of he's not yet. I so dominant type players more of a point within offense. Yeah. Because he did that Utah was more with an offense. He wasn't like getting the ball and like dominated. I just take a super interesting because of kyri resigned, then he will be traded to New Orleans most likely in the Anthony Davis Craig because they need them. Money, you need the money to match Yano. Gordon Hayward sign a contract for thirty plus million so him and Jason Tatum. Go to New Orleans eighty. Some pigs. Some pixie Elliott definitely some pigs because they just accept the straight up next team. You mean? Let's talk about the raptors. My big question is proud. Jaka proudly guest, which are we going to get in the playoffs last year's calorie pretty damn good in the playoffs. But years before they Larry pretty damn band the playoffs. So he automatically gives off. He automatically has a track record of being bad. Even if he had last year being good, the word always will see cow Lowry as I want to say it show curb was just somebody that underperforms when the lights are really on. So my real question is if we get last year's cow Laurie with this year's PASCAL Siaka in this year's winner. This team will win the east cow. Is there X factor for me a lot of people said, PASCAL Siachen, and I can understand that. But they need their second all star to play like a second all star. And there's some times where he's loses. It is for us. He'll be wide open. He's a very good three point shooter. But he'll get in his head. And he won't take the shot, especially when the playoffs comes right? And so my boggling, but it happens. So we need him to be confident in order for this team to have their deep playoff run. I think haven't caught is gonna take their pressure off home because. And he's proven that he can carry a team through a series. He didn't San Antonio. So now Kalari doesn't have to really like rely on himself. He can now does give the Baltic if the games closed the malls and cuisines, regardless. So I don't really think that he will be a big factor. But I think was an carried his team. How far does thing goes corn have here? We're talking about how deep that Toronto's. Raptors team was and I think this year this team is a little bit different in terms of they don't have to rely solely on calorie to be that secondary guy. They have a lot of people that can step up, even if he's struggling. So even if he comes out in the first round he struggled a little bit second round refined. So by the time they get to the Eastern Conference finals or even the finals he should be able to find his rhythm. And I think he's going to be able to help that team a lot. I agree because when you have co why it was a different player in the mar-. You now have a Pasco CR. You know, if calorie does have moments where he's struggling always, you know, in his own head, you have you have much more to rely on than in the past is kind of your roles and then hands like a one two punch in the you got Vallon shoes who moves show up or not you don't know if he's going to play in the fourth quarter because it's defense is kind of suspect. Right. So now, you kind of have coli PASCAL then lower. But if Larry now, even doing his thing, you still have then. Danny green. Oh, John OBI. Mark LaSalle, Serge Ibaka, you have a lot more that you can rely on which should help cow. Because now it doesn't feel as much pressure being put on him PASCAL can make some place for him. He doesn't have to carry the load of making plays because I know that was a big burden known him because you know, it was pretty much demar going off or Kyle Lowry have to make plays and make big shots. But now that they have a better offense of system in my in my opinion when Nick nurse. You know, it's a lot lot more things that he doesn't have to shoulder and can maybe open up the game for him and have a better playoff series. And they will be wanting to the nets near the Ness. And yeah, I like the defense I like Marcus I just like this team a lot better than pay years Eastern Conference finals winner. They might use a conference finals wanna. Yeah. I don't know. Well. But next team east last I go west the Utah Jazz. Think about usage as the biggest question is there X factors? Joe ingles. Derrick favors Jae Crowder. Those guys I think whoever they play and it's looking like they're going to be playing the blazers. It just depends on who gets the one who gets the homecourt advantage. Those guys have to perform also Donovan Mitchell who's going to have to be ready to come and play the one person that I'm pretty pretty sure is going to do what he does Rudy. But I think this is all about Joey angles and Derrick favors the supporting cast. I those guys at the show up in my my second question is Ricky Rubio is health. He, you know. For some reason Ken can never really get past that injury book right now. I think he had a quad injury. The other day it was always like hamstring and caused. Yes. So they don't have Dante Exum who's hurt again. So point guard play in the. Consistency of Ricky Rubio who you're picking in this series right now, we're going to do an entire pre playoff episode. But like in that four five Macha, go blazers. Yeah. We'll go novel go jazz because blazers don't have nursing. I will go jazz too. I think the, yeah, I'm going with the jazz to just because they feel like they would grind it out with the blazers is going to be it's hard for Daimiel other scores specially with a little bit more that a little bit more attention John onto him just because they're kinda short handed. What I'm watching him? He does it so differently. He do he attacks it so differently that double team off the screen. He come. He's more calm. You sounded like a fame right now. No, I'm not. But he he doesn't fold under president. He doesn't get. It looks. I don't know he he's taking that step in like maturity as a going series against the pills last year. I think humbled him and made them stand. Like, there's certain things you just have to do different. So you think that you sent he evolved his game from last year? He did you see like his playmaking has definitely evolved in terms of like IQ and understanding of the game for the blazers going forward. I mean, anything that. That was the biggest thing that they needed. I think they needed help. CJ, but I think day marriage like fourteen points in the playoffs last year. So they both were bad. I think they need to see CJ as one that needs to make this that he's been injured though, we gotta get him healthy first of all these the last two three weeks, right? There are some like that. That'd be backing games. Shame. Yeah. So now you're starting censor who is offensive like he's going to get killed by Donovan Mitchell. I did after that you really rely on them. And you'll see I had them as well as the entire roster. That's your that's your burner question. The entire roster will go, bro. She always thought bad court gets completely shut that. So I can't make them the big question. And then when they tried to get involved, the others were not involved. Couldn't do anything literally nothing. So and then Terry size, sometimes drew a bad place. So and then it's just like everything just needs to come together for them to make this work. Because like the whole roster is the big question they especially without can't not can't without. Yeah. You'll have some options better. Now at is. I call it. Rodney hood that call. Carrie Zach Collins, Jake Lehman has gotten more men miles. Leonard has been okay. More hartland. No. You can't go upset like when he's playing. Him that call come in. And he ages like played it. All yeah. I mean, you're right miles inter has gone up from three points to five. He has gone up from two rebounds at thirty. You know, so remember like a couple years ago when it was Meyers Leonard, and who was the other who else do they have a Senate? I'm sorry. I might have been made some Plumlee. It was maybe like they're too big. Come better play. When he here you out the other. Others much better with and then they made that trae in both teams one at trae, nurses, went to Portland, and then the Plumlee brother Winston Denver, and he's been very good in Denver. A rare case. Issue forty percent from three onto intense. He ain't Mr. three this entire month. There is one of one. So let them let them start. Let them run run the office Duma's Leonard, and they may beat the jazz, you know, and the CJ comeback in is healthy. I think there's just a dangerous team. Might even without narc. It's the I don't see that. They had I feel you. I feel you. But without nurk. It's I can't I can't see TBN super dangerous watching them last night. I tweeted us at man or 'cause we miss. This is a good thing that seems. Yeah, that's and I'm mad that he not mad at him, obviously. But I'm upset that happened to him. Because I I would love to see them at full strength. But we won't. Not they're just going at cantor. There's no respect for him. There's a reason Kansas Switzer same every couple of years. And it's because he can't play defense offensively. Get office of boy, go back up. He'd do a staying, but on pick and roll defence or gore and any big man, he just struggles Dame CJ orcas. I mean, no. Off the bench. You have Seth and Rodney hood cans, go there with us. Is going on maternity complacent point forward off the bench. Oh, man. He had another closer triple double the other day after after we gave him Assad alpha doing it going five for five or something like that. You know, he didn't miss a shot. He had another one off the bench that was really good. But I don't remember the exact stat line. I was like Emma Turner start playing very good or or know what if you wanna play offs and that low. Can we? I doubt it we need somebody without nurtures. Oh, he had thirteen eleven and twelve so he did have another triple double. I mean, those triple double Sadat's, the Russell Westbrook while we hear on triple doubles three years in a row regards what you say that's an incredible feat. And it's hard to do is hard to do. There's a reason. But there's only two people in the history to do it. But he's under three times three seasons in a row. Crazy next team. Mike you I wanna you'll teams. I got okay. What you got about them? But young team make some noise in the playoffs. And I did and I kind of look back, and I didn't even know Mike Malone doesn't even have any like head coaching experience in the playoff the thing about a yoga to their star doesn't really have it Gary. Here's syndrome Murray. Don't really have that. Either. Paul Millsap is okay. He was on that same Atlanta Hawks team. He's been to the coffees finals once I mean, I think he's a real like said vet Mason Plumlee who you brought about I think he's going to help them a lot in the playoffs. Just because he's very solid NBA player in. I think he's going to be one of those. Kind of like X factors in terms of can't he get those extra possessions for them. Or is he going to be a big defensive player for them? Because I think that's what they're going to need to kind of keep going in. Because I think a lot of those more older teams are going to go at those young guards. Thanks at the especially. 'cause it's about Mary and Gary something about six four. You know, they got to keep up with a lot of the quicker guards. And a lot of bigger guards. That are going to be kind of trying to take advantage of them wants to ease and congress rhymes that. You didn't mention Isaiah Thomas. That way enough land another minute to seize. Wow, I'm surprised you'll question wasn't about we it's his defense. And how can you hide him defensively? Because I think that's the real question that kind of depends on what team they're going to use right now, they go against still Spurs. No right now, they go against the thunder. I think they will do with Underwood definitely trying to get that match up to where he is garden Paul George and Westbrook the entire game, and they're going to try to expose them. And that's interesting. Thank you. Just get a fool ahead of steam and just kind of go here. See if you if you can pick up a foul the now to get him in fellowship. I need yoke is to stop losing his cool when the playoffs come around. He got to keep it cool. He's he's definitely high. He's the he's getting frustrated. He doesn't get the superstar calls. Yeah. I guess so I think that's what's getting too. Sometimes he gets mad. I do. They don't call. It foul yesterday. Somebody hit him in the head knocked the ball. Then he got frustrated got heated. So is it certain things. I did that he just gets mad about there's plenty of times where he committed a file. So he can argue with the ref you'd like you'll score. And he would think he got how he'll foul up. Just to talk to the ref. Lebron's. I all stars have done that I've seen them all rose, Royce brook. Does it like a lot? We had a stat that tally the frustration. Faust. Russell will probably be deleted it. My biggest thing for them is that they just don't have the guy down the stretch. That is is the guy, you know, if they have close games against the thunder down the stretch. We know who the guys are Russell Westbrook. Compal George who is if for the nuggets Gary Harris is Jamal Murray homicide hit two game win. It's this season. So different Homer is got to be that guy last night story creek C. You don't get cool. The essay. I don't know if I'm going to rely on Wrigley. But maybe that's a weapon because we know who the ball going to. With a lot of it seems like we know they made in the final side. It's a gift and occurs because like we we know Dame's give me, but that's what he does. So yes in sometimes when the team doesn't have that they always try to go out there and make the best play. And we always need something was like, oh, the play that broke down. Whatever you do. Get a ball to Mike with fast seconds left. That is the point. We try to go out there and make a play. They get some Bali. This is his damn mind. One of the three hundred game win into bed. Yes. It is. It's not that you just one for three is the fact that the who'd it's terrible shots. It's okay. If they're looks. Well, we're not talking about a hundred. You don't think? So I gotta think they seems like you miss one hundred percent of the SaaS. You do take two. Sato, Maxine clippers. Okay. Can you trust the youth because y'all know they get the shaming? They got say gives Alexander. They got zoo by these three players I've played big on their team, especially after the all star break where they've been killer. Can you trust these super young players wants to playoffs come around like right now, they'd go against the Houston Rockets. Can you rely on shake Alexander guard? And Chris Paul even though he's got the length and everything to you think he'd be okay. It gets Chris Paul, but he still doesn't have the experience of guard and Chris Paul in a series. So that's my real question because they got the coach and the coach's a stellar the vets are very good. But it's can you rely on those super young players. I think they're going to rely on. I think they're going to have to roll out Louis Louis, heavy minutes. And I think this is going to help for how good he is going to determine hell I lived there for me day day. They're in a situation where you know at a win win. You know, they really don't have anything to lose making a play offs and doing everything they don't a season. It's been a surprise. And it's been hell of a ride so beautiful almost one fifty games. That's the best man at the key to keep going with. I think no matter who they match up with probably more likely will be the Rockies. But I think they have to have that same talapity just keep going just fighting whenever they have nothing to lose. We have a deep team deep roster that that's benefits them. So if they're young guys are struggling or the experience is given to them. They do have options. They do have Patrick Beverley is they do have the Williams. They do have gathered. Nari mantras Herro hasn't been good. This year have been please come Chicago. It would be a good match up though, clippers and rockets and having shea and Patrick Beverley guarding James because they they play defense. You know? They're very pelicans esque this things about the win like fifty games at all. Like, a stay traded from each of the two, which is crazy. They were in that deal. Patrick Beverley and Chris Paul where they Yup, Chris rock is. Oh, yeah. Right. Right. Right. I really was James harden light secondary guard because he didn't really handed the ball. I remember that big shot. He hit new corner in the playoffs. I forget who they were going against. But I remember that that clip I remember that cliffs out to Patsy gravel again comes to Kaga, we need you. We need you. But I just feel like regardless of what the match up's going to look like in a Western Conference every single one of these series about the great. And that's what you ask for the only thing that could potentially just like sweep the first round. I guess. Dan. I guess you'll Spurs. Yes. Same Steph curry putting them caught sexy shot eight foot ten from three last night. It's the for the league is really big can get up to the seventh seed, then they have a potential advanced to beat the nuggets. That's the that's the series. I would like to see you give me those vets versus the fellas and see we'll win it all because young got more talent you get down to warriors for. Thunder warriors. I'm scared. What you warriors and four both of those things can beat the nuggets. But either one of those things are gonna get swept better words. Oh, I'll be done. The will. Now, did they either? My next thing is the Philadelphia seventy Sixers. And my biggest questions for them is their debt. How much they can rely on? Joe boden. Getting big minutes this stuff, they have some options. But at the same time as is confusing who they pick like, I'm a fan of my Scott like Scott brings team Jonathan Simmons says is nice. But you know, sometimes they rely on James in and Joan abode, and I can just see any other nine seen him playing shake Milton against the books. Yeah. Desire Smith is now in the rotation again. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Congratulations out here for giving back healthy and didn't back in the league, man. That's that's what's up Saint they relying Walker. He also planned minutes now too. So. Don't. Yeah. Tale. Detail tempted on them Ma the questions is their office of mashups. You know, you have to keep that in mind because of how teams will play and how they play Ben Simmons. Lisa Joel have to shoot more threes and play around a perimeter more and takes them out of the pain. You know, Jimmy Butler and who's gonna close the game for them. They have a lot of questions and a lot of things. Definitely the scariest thing about them is the Ben Simmons. No jumper like the way. They play him last year. It was cruel rays free throws. Yeah. Yep. Because down the stretch he touches the ball teams can just foul you- week where he attempted three three pointers in the same week. And he just he was over three. And he's like fuck this. And he's a shooting. No more after that. And they're another team that you know, on on a row of their below five hundred thousand nine hundred twenty one road, but thirty and ten hours so they have to find out ways to to win there. So they can win on the road. They are. But they don't have to find out ways to do it. If you got Joe jaw. Thank you can win anywhere. They're so big that was scares me. Is that they don't I think Bill Simmons set this? But like they don't have a a player to guard the smaller guards, you know, what I mean like as good as defin- Ben Simmons is he not doing nothing with Harry urban. Can we ever get right past him Jimmy Butler? He he not keeping up a career. So they match up against the Celtics again. I mean, this tide carries play always accepted Atlanta's game always kind of phone when it comes to plane the plane, the Celtics there's something about we just come out and play some different type of mask. Joe's. Joel Embiid said it's not arrive because they kick our s every time. And that's a fact that was one of the most humblest things I've heard him say here, usually you just talk shit. Yeah. But he came under sit talk shit about himself when he don't perform to. Oh, yeah. That's one of the best things about their have Jimmy Butler. Now they have to buy now. So I mean, those are the two biggest things they have gone for them against a team like seventy Sixers. I mean. Other than that though. They have a lot of questions they have a lot of questions teams like not even just Tobias. Here's during Bella. But do y'all agree that Ben Simmons and Jolan be is possible that they could be moving on from each other. They could be one up to be traded away. Or maybe how long this process to for them to just be like all right after like two three years like this not even so I had a seventy sixer fan asked me that question. He he's already ready to give up all season after the season. Like if they we hit the playoffs and teams are guard. And Ben Simmons the way they guard him last year, and we wouldn't lose a series because of he's ready to move on to build around. Joel and be because as cool as they are together. It's not like they're perfect for each other. Like, I'm sure that could make it work. But like they want to try to find the perfect fit guard for him. And that's probably guard. They could shoot the ball at least a little bit. Take that extra defender away from him in another Sixers fan say, you know, let's let's sell on Ben Simmons while he's high. Yeah. And get a big return. Former just put it all around wasn't Janas measurable. Ben some when he leaving Ben Simmons was clamping up leaving Ben Simmons to help. Well, when you have a big another big seven footer like John it's coming to help our own Joe Joe. That is. But in my eyes, I'm looking at these teams like what team could give you a good return for Ben Simmons. Anyway, that can get like that can help you like, I don't see it. I literally don't see it unless they trade in the Lakers. But what are they giving return? Brandon ingram. He's telling him we saw about suitors on a contract. Like he's on his rookie contract. You rookie deal. They had they had signed try to see, you know, many Kemba Walker as onto one of those big where he's on like a sign and trade is what you're talking about chemical would fit perfectly with Joel. I think. Got any match any system. Yeah. They were just weren't better. Because Joel Embiid is such a such a dominant force that I it would take the pressure off Kimball. Live two issues. You have the guard both of them in the pick a role. So Kemba is going to go get buckets in that in. This seems to be sad is Hayler Charlotte. Phoenix for. For. They can get all be book. They're not sure it'd be book Kita did too much for the city already, but inva- destroy him. Not that does that like the last few days. I've been seeing people talk about that all the time by Booker. I feel so bad for you. I feel bad for them. What if they? Was that an extension was he sang that Mex g g unless requested trade to go to the timber wolves. What about Damian? Ben simmons. I don't think they're trained Dame. Look lucky see Madison. Think about it. Like, I think every little has hit that spot where he's almost like untouchable and less you've gained some type of turning point player. Yeah. Because Portland is a city by just think about guards the Kemba. Walker win is really good. And honestly lists. Listen, let me let me play Elton brand four minute to GM, right, or maybe he's VP whatever. So we let Tobias walk. We lead Jimmy walk. We call up Kemba. Yo you may be on. He may make an NBA team. Right. So we can get the supermax with the Hornets, but the Hornets not winning you not come. Here we go trae, Ben as and we go get you some shooters you Joe as some shooters make this deal hap-. Now for some shooters. He can go to. I don't think they keep Tobias. I don't think to buy them to max, I think he will damn close to it. Some team is going to get them. Eat some team is going to get it to them. Right. Exactly. That's why I like when he got traded right now. He's just focused on winning and he's happy to winning his main priority. Of course, they're gonna say he comes on new teams like, yeah, I'm ready for my money. Jimmy, Butler said the same thing, but we know damn well Jimmy Butler won't close to that. Max, I don't know. I don't know. That seventy Sixers will feel good about. And be like a super young team the to soar like solely playing around Ben Simmons because. A super young team is the question. I don't know. I mean, maybe some would John Waller question is kind of mushroom year. But John wall is not. It's not terrible three point. He'll at least temp that he's not. I think we spend some aside. We'll we'll have a video episode about off season moves and stuff. Once we at the playoffs obsolete. It's hard about retriever bins them is that that fits, right? Who's got the next thing is they don't meet. So my team is the warriors talk toxin. How can you make this this championship impressive? Because if they just went it is like okay to warriors one. How if they go sixteen in we looking at this season a little bit differently. Oh, you know, we're here. They're going to succeed. That's how I. Okay. But the second the second and the right, but that would make it an oppressive sees if they go right now and they win every series and six and they win the championship. This is like a blessed. Forget it. What are they going on sixteen to know that you like damn this is the best where you're saying? We have a saying, which makes sense. Fuck it five I'll stocks, but you get what I'm saying. Like, how do we make this other than just a normal warriors championship here? That's the real question because they still the favorites. If I'm betting my money on I'm putting it on on them. You're you're smarmy yet. I mean, I I really don't see in questionable to sing. It's hard to make up questions with him when they're just way around. Yeah. Let's just warriors. We know which outdoing move to the next thing with the. But okay. Let's see what you got the bucks. Israel simple. How far can care. Like a Bleacher for article how? And their regular season success translate to the postseason does kind of what I put two that's real good because they're so young last year they got to the playoffs and they left early. And I think we kept talking about is they should have won the series. Just because they had yonder did play superstar you needed to be the best player. You know, get pushed that team pass that I think they lost some Celtics, right? Also, celtics. Yeah. This year, you're just gonna win. Right. L kyri out Carrie without Gordon, sixty Wednesay the MVP. Sixty wincing MVP on their team. They'll arguably the best player in the league right now is is how far is they going? Go getting consistently hit threes in the playoffs. When the game the slow down and teams buck within the fence was going to figure them out. I think they have a really good mindset coming into their especially I think so if you think about his past ways kind of been through this and since first time playing a crucial role in a contending team. And I think he's ready for I mean, you think about his he kind of have with the sons in how they weren't performing. Well, and how he wanted to get out of that. See I think this is time to prove he's worth the money that they paid him. And he's worth the investment. Chris Middleton, they played Detroit. He might go get he might go against insane. That kind of dropped him. When you break Lopez as having one of his best seasons. Terms of his bid to the team. He's relevant again. You know, I think they're they're set up for a good postseason. Trust them enough to pick them to win the east. No, I got a hard on my heart is like saying raptors allied the rabbit, but the bugs have the guy that I think is MVP. I changed my answer. I think Yonathan MVP he just does so much. I think they have a really really good roster. Even when you talk about the bench, they been given DJ guys. I DJ Wilson some more opportunity and responsibility. They still haven't George he'll sterling Brown Dave gave an opportunity to have make comfortable. And I think a lot of those guys that's play well off honest, and he takes much pressure off of them when he puts them on so much pressure on a defense. They did. You know, regular open looks that they gotta hit down there. We have to do anything out of the ordinary. I got a tweet the other day after that game against the seventy Sixers. Somebody tweeted me saying this is why I think this is overrated because he did nothing in the last five minutes of the game in game against the seventy Sixers and bother me for the simple fact that he did a lot in those last five minutes like he got a block Joel Embiid. He made the past George hill. He made the past sterling Barau. He did a lot just because he didn't put up ten points in the last five minutes, doesn't you know, his impact was there was also missing their closer to me about Jimmy Butler and earning close so Airbus Ogata, Jack the very early of some dumb stuff next next team. I'll let me go coming back live. We don't know Nico Powell. Brogden? They just terrible sounding to get injured. Week or two ago when they said that mountain Brockton had like six eight weeks. You'll maybe come back surprise. Hi, I'm pretty sure Milwaukee can get out of like the first round. They sit back the second round in the long run any of the Suzie get extended day can get lucky and so many Suzy extended and they'd just have to wait the name. Next thing we should have not made him automate role player, by the way. He slipped has my mind completely who Malcolm Brogdon, fifth and forty ninety club. Right. They they officially make it because he from three though, fifty four ninety. Oh, man. Yeah. That's that's ridiculous. From fifty percent from three at one point. I'll just quickly. Check fifty forty nine. Ninety two he made it. Okay. Remade made us adults fifty eight and sixty four games. So like, that's that's very ultimate role play for sure I just didn't think about it. 'cause you're right now idea was an extent the roles in. But. Derosier the Rosen because he's no he's built up this Bev reputation of being a choke in the playoffs. So if he can come out and put all that to rest at think, I think they can go pretty big do pretty good. Just the warriors. They go on. They can probably win a game. They wanna game last year without Kawhi. So they can be taken light. He knows his role players coming to go. You can't get better role player than then the Senate Tonio role players. Yeah. Patios? Dash what I was thinking when he said, the rose, I think this sound around. You have a better situation form, we can talk about Spurs the digits better. Big gun cold Kogaz, then Callan. Com. You have any gay the best coach get the best coach we actually have a system, and he just doing more. So I think it's harder to. Ice him out of a game. Like the Cavs don't want to say or just really focusing on him because he's not just looking to score anymore. Yeah. The past season. We've just been looking at two spots the mid range. Jumper and score score score score score. But nowadays playmaking doing different things that using them in many different ways. I think that can open up his game more, but you know, tough for them that they have to play tough of team in the first round. So I don't know if there's much that he can do if you go on up against the warriors something. Nuggets that that could mean situation that they could give. They're not even rock rock. Let me look at their remains the Spurs remaining schedule because I feel like it's pretty easy. I think they got to lottery teams they play against the Cavs maps. Yeah. So they if they win no gains, boom, they're up to rockets play completely. Over the Denver. I could not tell you. I cannot say I'm not completely sure. But I can't tell you. I can just look at their four game schedule and see when they played against the them in if they want wanna loss, but they have this breaker one over them. They mean two hundred twice this year. So Bom, so they get up there. I think they would definitely rather play against. I think not every team wants to play in motion. I just said to number two facts, though, wanna play facts though, who's got the Maxime or would everybody. Go. Okay. Paul George L because we seen when Paula jewelers rolling and playing in elite level everybody, Adam him and his envy envy, VP conversation that Dan the word different team. And then wants the soda, you know, problems start happening. He starts shooting the ball worse and thunder get worse and. They need him to get to get back to their form their foreign things last hand, they have one or less to which they need it at this point of the season. They close out the season against the timber wolves arrived. Books. The Spurs looking really good. Yeah. You're right. You never know. To the timber wolves or meeting about. About the thunder is even though Russell can have a bad game. Paul George Cava bail shooting game. They still take enough shots where they still have like forty point. They have a big game for less. I thought he always had the chance against teams that's like against the warriors or something like that's going to put up big numbers. Like, you don't know. It's just crazy because he was eleven for twenty four last night, but he had thirty points and they want. So it was like so important chaos. I love Stephen Adams. I like Schroder Evan. Grant is grown tremendously before is ten for ten. You load serious Ferguson Wednesday your alternate role player. Spooned the whole game yet at one for one last night was. Lulei layover. Bitch, even a day of Nater has his moment. So. Yeah. I mean, it's really Paul George man, really Paul George and the health of his shows shooting determines their whole season. Which is crazy. What about you might you got one last thing left? You know, I got the rockets. Okay. I had a lot of questions. Can they can is backwards? Just stay healthy, Chris Paul and James harden Cowan had that track. Vereker where you know, just might not even be fooled like a fulltime injury or somewhere. They go out. It might be like a spraying ankle with something. I was gonna say James harden like a juggernaut. Like the person that kind of slows down in the playoffs except for last season. So he's missed like three games. So far this season seventy two last year eighty one eighty two of course, bar Chris Paul Chris Paul is the is the big one in terms of staying healthy. James harden questions kind of heat sustain his scorn with more defensive focus on him for at throughout a seven game series in its eagle. Keep his damn up to where he can keep their scoring going is it role players gone. You know, be there to knock down the shots. It's going to end up like last year where they miss twenty plus threes in a row the ends up losing a big game. It's a lot of questions for them. But that's also that also goes into like bad coaching twenty year. 'cause my does it have a good track record either in terms of postseason play pose playoff. Success was no Emma Lamartine was twenty plus threes and draw a platelet get some else the thing I like about this rocket seen compared to lash and Onoda mistrial reason everything, but they have more players to to what they do. I liked additions of awesome rivers Iman Shumpert. Kenneth are- barbeque, Gerald, green and stare PJ Tucker. Even Dan you house who came out of nowhere took me. They got segment allows. It's got a bunch of guys don't map sitting around the arc waiting for James hard to kick the ball out to them. And they go on. And they put me the rockets have a lot if Saana, but the way they compose roster this year and the way they played I feel like the Domino's can kind of fall in their favor if his played outright if they make shots, essentially, what it is if they're making their threes or very hard to be I miss Chris, Paul. Miss Chris, Paul? But even there also a team that they can get out to a heart's hus- star. And then they can just blow to lead. That's just how streaky they're shooting. Yeah. Yeah. That there live and die about a three. I'm going to keep hitting your threes. Another teams gonna come right back. So that's also the pistons. Oh, yeah. The watch office. I was wondering we miss a something had their frontcourt. Play. Just this essentially just Blake and drum. Just are. I think opposite is what you need to worry about because they're like dropping bring. Trek would also be like a playoff jokin, not just engineering. Yeah. The ratio seems like a team that a lot of teams didn't wanna go would want to go against this. I lots of handle download I mean, they don't have that big report and cares. But if you got like two big men attacking you all game, and you got a crash the glares for the whole game under Gemini, it's kinda relentless it's going to take a toll on here. And I think we got to last teams, and that's the Hornets and the heat that nobody had because they're not in the playoffs right now. But with the Hornets, I guess my biggest question for them would be. After Campbell like like. Jerry lamb here. Two game win against Toronto. With like other than that. Like their team is if you take him to walk off the team that team wins twenty one games if that that's why he was one of my. You you just made my case more relevant. So is that a book also when he'll tell guys can you take him off the so as they know, no. They're not even close. And then the Miami he most of it has to do with way, you know, like, do you? Do you want way in the playoffs? One more time. I do I do. Let's not likely. No, he knows scrub out there. But I think I asked you this one what's like last week or a couple of weeks ago. Like don't tell want to have like a game where Dwayne Wade take all the day of science. Kobe did. No, I don't want to see I would love to see. It's just like a Kobe type moment. Many to he needed to to get them that win. Crazy. I'm actually a fan of the heat team. I like the way they can pose. They Bank assistant ahead some injuries and things, but I like them I like, you know, Richardson drudgery and bam James Johnson. Did they hold their head on their defense? They come in. You forget one big fella us, not for mobile mobile, biz make no still wrong. I'm not even I'm giving up left hand Keller. Oh, I don't know. He's almost all. What point Justice just as one thing? Yeah. True. You saying that like all just as well. A lot of ain't nobody he just cycled through like. Biz is funny. Bam. I head artists. And I think that's it. That's all let's see. I think we hit every single team. So those are big is burning questions for every playoff the still waiting to see what the seating is going to be like, but we are super excited to cover the playoffs for you're going to be exciting playoffs. Hopefully when everything that we are in -ticipant in form to live because I think we're gonna have some real good series. And I think actually these last couple of games are going to be a lot more bigger than we expected. So I mean just to see that. And hopefully. The heat making. I hope they make it through. Do I?

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Jim Noles, Author & Lawyer

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

14:41 min | 1 year ago

Jim Noles, Author & Lawyer

"This is the sporting life on. Espn radio and the ESPN APP. Here's Jeremy Shop. A lot of people are familiar with the story of the rate army football teams of the mid nineteen forties the teams in particular eighteen. Forty four thousand nine hundred forty five in one thousand nine hundred forty six coached by Red Blake and led by the back. Toback heisman trophy winners. Mystery inside. Doc blanchard mister outside. Glenn Davis those were some of the greatest college football teams ever in some of the most celebrated college football teams ever a lesser known story. Is the one thousand nine hundred forty four army basketball team which was undefeated and is the subject of a new book by Jim Knowles historian slash attorney and a West Point graduate himself from the class of nineteen ninety? The book is undefeated. West Point's perfect season nineteen forty four from basketball to battle and it is a pleasure to welcome to the show. Jim knows Jim. Thank you for being with US CO chairman. Thanks for having me glad to be on the show Jim. You graduated from West. Point as I said forty six years after this nineteen forty four basketball season. You've written about sports. You've written about military history as well led you to this subject exactly. Well I've got it would Mitt. I was feeling now. My Office Bracket at a march madness not too long ago and it just the halls beat think wonder if west point ever made it to the tournament and I found out with a little bit of googling around. But what's pointed never been to the NC Double A. Tournament. In fact if I believe they are one of the four original Division One teams that have never made it to the tournament. I believe that includes Francis perhaps and then sit at William and Mary There's a little caveat to that would maybe we can talk about later. But anyways they'd never made it and you know survey and Unhappy Distinction. Not even when Kevin Houston was playing. He was one of my favorites. He was he was around your time. That's right he was there when I was there. And he led the nation in scoring. Yeah Yeah Great Guy Boyd Fun Player to watch. But that's right even not with him and so I I saw would never may now. They've been to the nit a couple of times but had never actually played in the tournament. Bob Knight got them to the NCAA tournament. You're saying well that's the thing I understand that. They were invited one year under nights tenure but he thought they had a better chance in the nit so we turned down the NC Double A. Went to the nit and and what's point loss in the first round but these things happen but Anyway West Point had never been in and that caused me to take a look back at at some of the the records just to see well you know. Did they ever come close? And I came across this great run. They had in nineteen forty four and nineteen forty five when West. Point in nineteen forty four was undefeated and I thought well surely there must be a story there. Why would they have not gone and played in the nit or the NC Double A. Tournament? Then and that was sort of the genesis that that question and then a little digging around was the genesis with book. What made this team special. What what what was the key to its success in that That remarkable year nineteen forty three nineteen forty four They're playing basketball as Dwight. Eisenhower's in London planning the invasion of North West Europe So much is going on obviously with the world at war. What what made this team special to me? It was special because this team had been five and ten the previous year so they've they've gone from really struggling and there were lots of good reasons for this team to be struggling back into the role the nineteen forty-three season. But what happened was that Down at Fordham coach name. Ed Kelleher found himself without a basketball team when Fordham shut down its basketball program for the duration of the war. And Ed Kelleher was recognized. It's just I mean he's. He's sort of forgot character these days but it was recognized back then as one of the deans of of college basketball in fact he was the president of the College Basketball Association Cup of College Basketball Coaches Association. I'm probably messing up the title precisely but he was the president of the Association Back then for two years so he was a really well respected guide coast at Fordham for something like twenty years and all of a sudden he found himself without a job in the summer of Of Nineteen forty three and west point scarf him up so they brought up. Kelleher quest point to be the coach in Keller. Her just institute's a a very tough fast paced fast break offense coupled with just stifling defense and that's a huge factor in it. The other part of it is. I think he just had west. Point had some great athletes as starters on that team the three fellows that I- profile who were seniors and then to Underclassmen who actually played football players as well Doug Kenna Dale Hall so happy combination of a great coach and some great athletes athletes all coming together. We're speaking with Jim Knowles. He's the author of New Book undefeated. West Point's perfect season nineteen forty four from basketball to battle and you mentioned The focus on a few of these players Who were playing for? Keller her nineteen forty three nineteen forty four When there were at that point what about ten million American men in uniform Women do but at one point by the end of the war. Twelve million Americans In uniform fighting World War Two And these guys the seniors know what awaits them When they graduate. How did that play out? During the course of the season as as they've got basketball to think about and they know who They know that as soon as they graduate in their commission to second lieutenants. They're going right into the war. One thing is you've got to go back and remember that these guys were pleased. They were freshmen. At West Point entered in the summer of nineteen forty one so they were plebes when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. They skipped one year. They were put on an accelerated graduation program. That's right yeah. Yeah they were. These guys. Were literally the class of nineteen forty five so I think a big. That's something to keep in mind here. One they experienced per hearing about Pearl Harbor while leaves at West Point and I mean some of their none of those that I talked about but you know many of these people had these had parents. Dads who are the military some in the Philippines summit at Scofield barracks in Hawaii So it was very real to them particularly given what they had signed up for. That was obviously part of the deal. Now they've gone from being a cadet and peace time to a cadet more time. That was an aspect of it that I think follows through like you mentioned. Their class was accelerated to graduate a year early and even as they were going through that final season nineteen forty in the early nineteen forty four. They had former teammates from from their team. That we're already overseas fighting in the war. So I think it was very very real to them What what. I'll add this one of the the neat things about That I that I came across while researching the book was that the The commandant at West Point the second in command. The one responsible for military training and disciplined had to make an announcement to the to the cadets the day after Pearl Harbor that they yellow need to knock off this conversation these conversations about resigning and enlisting to go into the fight. I mean so. I think these guys were ready to go and wanted to go and and you know at that. Time was coming sooner than any of them. Perhaps anticipated and this is John. Eisenhower's class to the son. Dwight David Eisenhower. Yeah I was hoping you'd you'd mentioned that that's right. One of their classmates is John Eisenhower. Whose Dad and graduation day happened to be June. Sixth nineteen forty four correct. Bless your heart. Jeremy You have read the book. Sure exactly right. That's exactly right That was one of the things about the book Another thing that came up was just how These these cadets are granted. They got a classmate John. Eisenhower another classmate is marrying more. Bradley's daughter They're all graduating on June. Sixth nineteen forty four so as they are forming up for their graduation. Parade the news is breaking out all over the world that they're classmates John. Eisenhower'S DAD is Is overseeing the allied invasion of Normandy on D Day? But of course. That's that's skips ahead through the season by that point. The season's over what happened. What happened to these guys Not just the seniors who graduated in forty four but those who graduate the following year when the war was just about when the war had already ended in Europe but was Still raging for a few more months in the Pacific. Yeah well I I really Really focus on the three fellows who graduated so you had three of them Ed Crystal was from Minneapolis Minnesota. He was the team center. Big Ed Crystal. They called him he became an artillery officer and joined the Sixty Fifth Infantry Division and was sent to Europe Eventually the Sixty Fifth Infantry Division became part of Patents Army and participated in that great sweep Third Army Third Army. Thank you Third Army into Germany and then down into into Austria. The end the war so that was at crystal. Then you had Jack Hennessy who was with the Seventieth Infantry Division and he was probably the he and his in a couple of his classmates was the first Jones. Get to offer this group. They ended up getting dispatched to To France and falling into line on the southern flank of the battle of the bulge in December of nineteen forty four and fought through some of that brutal winter fighting south of the bulge. And then you finally had Bob Fox and coordinator at the First Army. Yeah and then you have Bob Fosse. Who was one of the air cadets which was also interesting I thought aspect is close to a third of the cadets at West Point at the time we're also training to be pilots so Bob Fosse had trained as a pile. Of course there was no Air Force Academy at the time in the air force was part of the army. Not a separate branch of the service. That's right that's right. So these guys were going into the army air forces and they actually had their wings pinned on on June fifth and then graduated on June sixth and they actually had a pretty frustrating experience because they were all wearing to get into combat and the army held the pilots back for a year. So foster did not actually get into combat until the very end of the war when he was flying P forty seven thunderbolts. off of Of Fema off the coast of Okinawa doing raids on the Japanese mainland And Heck he was actually flying the day that we dropped the bomb on Nagasaki. We shot down on that day Flying over Japan August ninth. Well it's a remarkable story and in we. We hardly have time here. Unfortunately Jim to it justice but I encourage everyone to read. It is a forgotten chapter of West Point history and basketball history. The nineteen forty four United States Military Academy basketball season. The book is undefeated West Point Perfect season nineteen forty four from basketball to battle. And there's so many so many layers here Jim Again appreciate your being with us and appreciate your right in this book. Certainly and Jeremy. I'll just jump in if I may and say I've got to say I've been thinking about the book quite a bit recently because these seniors after running the table and having that perfect season did not get to go on and play in the in. It in the NC Double A. or Double A. Tournament's because the war was on and the US army said. I'm giving the travel restrictions. Were were not going to take advantage of this situation. You guys got one hundred days till graduation. Go home. Get focused in graduate. We're not going to the tournament. I think I think that's resonates with a lot of athletes are facing now. No doubt no doubt Jim Knowles. Thank you Jim. I really appreciate your coming on the show. I thank you for having me. Jeremy really enjoyed it. I'm Jeremy Shop and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN radio and ESPN APP. Beginning at six. Am Eastern time. Geico gets you access to licensed agents twenty four seven which means that. Geico is always there for you. If only everyone was always there for you like your wife when you forget your keys at work and you get my texts. I am looking for the spare house key. Maybe I can get through. The window. Turns OUT THE ALARM WORKS. Wow it works fast. You should probably call me back. Always there for you with savings and twenty four seven access to licensed agents.

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Barstool Rundown - November 12, 2020

Barstool Rundown

18:36 min | 5 months ago

Barstool Rundown - November 12, 2020

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So let's say it's in space just. You don't know what's going down there. You just see like that alligator except fish for plus like what are you like. We're going to go into space but to see look back down to earth. We'll be fucking cool. It'd be look like looking at grant kenny. You'd be like okay. I've seen it. In europe in space whereas down the ocean i think analysts like vision thera and also dark lights. Yeah but you know you see what what you see in that your heart will be re. I mean i don't think so. He says exactly. Like if you like. I'm i guess i'm thinking of standing on the moon and i guess that's not what you're going to get when you're on a spaceship but This cycle guy got been saying that by cycle health i to decades cycle is bicycle bicycle. Bicycle guy. I got fell off his bike on land of the cactus. Looks like he's straight out a looney toon. What do you do. You just gotta sit there and pluck them out yeah. Have you ever heard a dog like going to like prickliest. Dunkin had one of those little chopped it out though but it gets stuck in your debt. Your skin there the porcupine things doug it's done on the nose by be tiny bit by a spider or something underneath. Yeah maybe it was like an asshole. And that's why. He fell in a puddle and no seem that way. The video only shows the after effect which is a great book. It's like very funny. You don't have to see the tragedy. He just it. Well i mean avail live. He's just going to be little puncture wounds. Big baby glenn. Davis who i didn't even know is dead. Yeah not playing playing in some rutley wearing a uniform too tight and he's the type of guy. Wallop ranks hurt. It may not be joke because everybody's was dressed a little strange that game and he actually a pretty nice spin move. I feel like that was like this is all we got left. Glenn he was a guard. I'll ball let me funny in where this tiny uniform. I've only seen glen. Big baby davis net gift. Where he's like looking. Yeah he's an interesting life Big player at lsu had a pretty decent nba career for wild fell off the map. And then i don't know this ship. I know there's bad shit out there on Think tommy bat. Glenn davis trouble. Leila's fucking thumbs flying on davis Charged with felony assault faces. Seven years. it's drug possession. He's got quite a bit. yeah Well lee was this finally. I look like a fully. Okay do it and bring it back but bizarro league rock and john rogge basketball we are the ones who do it and seen someone bring back and john. The people like all the pockets listeners. It should be you fucking guys. I know dan cortes is trying to do that. Remember him right yeah. He hosted him and bill bellamy coach. We should link up with unbelievable bill to bring back the real basketball with the fifty point. Shot and twenty can add some new shit but the old school stuff. We would be things like why they get rid of it. Wanted to get rid of america. Gladiators when they did do the reboot. American gladiators didn't really were excited. And then but i did like the same game. You've got to bring back like the original. But i do remember being excited watching it and be like this doesn't really hold my interest anymore. But i feel like rock would yeah. Roggensack was asked was springer springer break the king of pakistan. This is eight talk. Accountable is huge. And he i. I think jeff low maybe did this. I read the whole thing. I can't fill is either can pakistan. I didn't think he was the real king of pakistan now. Do they have like a monarchy. Yeah i do of monarchy. They may answer to this guy. Yeah yeah well. I don't think it's i mean. He's walking around with a wrestling right right. I don't think he's the real king. I want to walk around in pakistan pakistan's dowdy pretty cool. Oh yeah definitely. I just don't know if he's like a actual monarch no. He may not be but he is like the king of he. Well he looks like big pun pundits. He's got that wide total square shape. He's fucking you. I love and i think there should be like that guy i would. If let's this way from walking down the street pakistan see the true monarch or whatever they have. And i see that guy. I'm like to have this guy should fight nation. Probably be terrible but just see being early. Ufc fight anybody. could fight. Like fucking nate or something. That felt though. I think you can have your own built was because i feel like i've seen that before there was like i could see what says. Yeah but i feel like. I've seen that old school. Like some of these third world countries like that guy has genes on like. They probably just catching that. Wwf beast and masters going on right now tires playing. Well is he almost six point like asks right tyson. They thought he was gonna do shampoo. I saw. He's like double bogey and they thought kill it. He's in the woods chopping his way out. Oh yeah that'd be good guy but it would be certainly be exciting this team in the next come sunday so we'll be live streaming there the next three days. All the all the foreplay guys are there. Dan with today. I'm going out tomorrow. Meeting phillies right philly house. Would i say. I just thought you mentally not right right Also all time. Pga on pj people pj toward people are the worst people maybe ever to exist. Apparently mazza frankie has been. Who is golf tournaments wildly successful video game. He sets up the course and people play tens of thousands of new correct. Yeah so they're playing like their version like the masters the gusta it's in the video. Pga complaint that one out streaming them that course it's illegal. It's a video game. The course the courses in the game the courses and so they're saying screaming it. They're like you're you're fan at home playing fine but if you stream playing the masters where like doing what if they played it was the. Pga tour tour told me that they're complaining that and it's almost like we're playing. I don't know tech mobile when on the patriots the the patriots. So i'm like what he meets in the game that's being the bruins can't be the bruins saying well it's in a shell. So what are you talking about. Why cough that's what people i think they deleted of course. She told me like the video games. It's in the game. Well not anymore. The foreplay guys ain't pj has had it out for four places. I walked across. Fair was kind of the best to four point. Eight year grudge what happened. They walked across. Unbeliev- i like it like both sides of it to be honest cyclists. They're all of their crazy.

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Liberals Cant Get Their Stories Straight # 1014

The Dan Bongino Show

52:57 min | 1 year ago

Liberals Cant Get Their Stories Straight # 1014

"She's ready to hear the truth about america on a show that's not immune to the facts with your host dan bongino show producer joe how're you today how happy tuesday julia they're now doing well but by the way did we miss bobby bonia day yesterday how is it that for those you don't know you not baseball fans it is the single greatest contracted maker basically history bobby bonia who has not played a game for the new york mets since two thousand year two thousand gets paid a million two year every day yesterday on july first amelia two year until two thousand thirty five go she ate the greatest deal ever you this is this is it goes to show you how the sports professional sports sometimes these guys that he had one year left on his contract bobby bonia for six million dollars and the mets said listen we wanna keep some of that money just signed a free agent so get a different these payments for the next thirty years they figured they invest the money the mets who did they invest the money would show bernie madoff first base off with the money bobby bonia gets a million dollars a year every july first happy bobby bones you may see the trending on twitter wondering what that's about the backstory the greatest contract ever guy gets paid a million dollars a year for thirty years not play baseball all right i've got a great show for you today see up is just not only doubled but quadruple down on just i mean unbelievable attacks on our law enforcement people at the border i'm gonna show you would tweeting a response which he's probably getting at none if it's cute but it's worth your time some other people calling out bob muller for some of the stuff that happened yesterday an important trump see ultimate dealmaker something happened he made a move he was writing he saw an opportunity good for him safe to big show for you today atacir brought you by buddies at net sweet listen if you own a business and you don't know your numbers you don't know you're business we use 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problem we have with these other tending bar that you just don't know anything if you continue to lie now i am extremely skeptical her latest you wanna talk about a tweet that you just throwing dropped a bomb on twitter redo this thing she put out yesterday alexandria case you'll cortez i just left my first customs and border patrol facility so she went to a c bp facility check it out i see why cbp officers were being so physically and sexually threatening torrance me late john is a real tweet officers were keeping women in cells with no water and told them to drink out of the toilets this was them on their good behavior in front of members of congress who now folks i wasn't there but let me just tell you something having worked as a federal agent before i am extremely i mean like pre acing levels of extremely extremely times at ten thousand extremely times ten million skeptical of this story when we were when i was in agent you gotta call not even from a member of congress member of congress the staff and they said i'll give you a quick example we use the word treasury check cases you remember when you know you should get treasury checks in the mail fuel tax refund lot of it's done electronically now those checks you still get stolen all the time the secret service used to investigate that we hated him all the rookies got those cases they were a mess but they'd get stolen all the time i'll never forget one time this lady i remember her name her initials were el al i'm not gonna say her name she called the congress person at the time and complain the secret service and taking my case seriously wasn't we've are taking it seriously so we had a thousand of these cases in an eight person office so what happened i get a call in from the boss what do you do with this case nothing bosses case number sixty out of the way you know seventy cases you gave me get to it right away when i'm china tell you folks is if you believe for a second that alexandria case you'll cortez they sitting member of congress was walking around a border patrol facility at border patrol agents were attempting to what what did she say sexually threatened nurse weird listen if that's the case they should be fired immediately no doubt i'm just telling you i would be extremely x in mass lows hierarchy of needs of extremely this is the peak of the pyramid of extremely skeptical about this story i cannot imagine a usa government law enforcement officer in front of a delegation of congress being sexually threatening judgment again if it happened they should be fired immediately because i don't disagree with politically if this did not happen however at i'm very skeptical the border patrols count recounted this offense is that is alexandria case you'll cortez joe who is the one being threatening nasty towards the border patrol agents if that is in fact the case aol see must must issue a public apology must now definitely tell you something joe they say oh see filed a formal complaint point maybe if she feels like she was physically and sexually threatened as she put her tweet i'm not making that up that's not a parody account if she believes that joe since she not file a criminal record immediately i would think so i mean really yeah why wouldn't you joe you would say significant others in women if that happens then would you not tell the police officer queen sexually threatened in a heartbeat of course you would know what i i have two daughters in a wife i'd be like gets in martin county sheriff aycell right why why she found some kind of a force ladies and gentlemen and they are on the second line she puts in there that these people held in the facilities were here illegally keep in mind ladies that's not a justification for treating people poorly i'm not suggesting that's happening i'm simply suggesting user people who broke the law mhm they have violated uss law by entering the united states illegally not the real point of entry is they you you clearly violated the law you are treated like everyone else bracelet when you break the law does not categories of criminals there categories of lawbreaking when you broke the law the seven five precinct top everybody wants to the holding cell in rikers island you that adjudicated from there in the federal government you go ws marshall's russell's you don't get you're gonna get good okay i get to go to a different south skews me versus stumbling in my words that you broke the law so david martin moscow as an interesting theory about what he thinks alexandria case you'll cortez was talking about this standard cbp facility he says listen i'm not sure if it's the same one season he's very clear on that but of alexandria casio cortez really meant drinking from the toilet he has a photo op here you could see how the youtube dot com slash bongino for those on the audio it's standard prison cell with the standard steel toilet and the water fountain is off on the top not convenient not cute not pretty ladies and gentlemen it's a detention facility right that's what they look that's what they all look like you're not drinking from the toilet you don't have your head in a toilet drinking water why would she say that again i'm not suggesting any this is cuter pretty lawbreaking is a whether i'm simply telling you that her statement that inmates who are being detained because if you're a legally are being forced the drink from the toilet borders on ridiculous and absurd ridiculous but this is alexandria case you'll cortez this is what she does now big hat tip to the washington free beacon which does some great videos the washington free beacon put out this montage i'd like to play a little over a minute this is a montage of democrats democrats democrats and their allies and democrats and their media but kissers putting together all this is a montage of their statements about how what's happening at the border joe is not a crisis worry about there's nothing to worry about any way because joe don't worry there's not a crisis at the border now aol see he's tweeting there's such a crisis people drinking at a toilet now not said it's absolutely ridiculous but this is the media just a little bit ago and this montage by the washington free beacon suggesting that don't worry there's no crisis there's nothing to worry about which one is it folks here's the video he lied so much about the reality of what he's calling a crisis and i have never seen a crisis maybe when you were in new orleans a talking about katrina that we as openly understood end ignored the president's rise seller crisis the facts tell us does not exist this entire situation which many of argued is eight bona fide crisis at our southern border the big scam of the whole address there's a crisis there's not a crisis the powerful words written to describe the humanitarian crisis at the border she's already been out lying about a crisis on the southern border he's doing a much worse and brock obama and he's created this crisis and the work quite fit is what the word all about a team trop proof that there isn't one movie five in the moment of the blame on why we're suddenly having the right now manufactured crisis manufactured crisis to crisis moral drill down some of the numbers and the humanitarian crisis there is no crisis at the border to believe that they're not doing enough for the deportation resident trump once again try to claim the crisis at the border distracted migrant border crossings have been declining for nearly two decades but we have to grapple with the real challenges at the border and do more to reduce the number of migrants who feel they need to flee their countries threes in the first place but income my staff holding people hostage much stop manufacturing a crisis we never not said that they would acquire there is a humanitarian crisis at the border that montage you might be saying yourself wait what do you mean they said it's the same exact people suggesting there is no crisis then minutes later suggesting there is a crisis what is it be answers it's lick your finger see where the winds this following this is the democrats they cannot ever tell you the truth they are entirely incapable of taking a principled stand because they have no principle when president trump needed money at the border to build the wall in stem the flow of people coming into the country illegally joe any needed that money and he said we have a problem we have a crisis and the democrats thought it was there to their politically advantage to lie to the american public and say there's nothing to worry about it the southern border folks no worries here pay no attention to the man behind the curtain right that all of a sudden when the crisis exploded into humanitarian disaster which it is now overcrowded detention facilities kids having a beat the pain because parents were bringing them into the country illegally on the dangerous trek children being trafficked illegally into the country now all of a sudden the public pr battles being lost by the democrat so now the democrats have turned around and you have see tweeting it it's a crisis people are drinking from toilet bowl what is it what is it beatrice we know what it is it's always it's been a crisis you of never knowing what it is you are big phony phony total complete fraud just disturbing how do you look yourself in the mirror is a democrat how how i'm not kidding how do you look yourself in the mirror i says republicans are entirely consistent we have never changed their story because that story doesn't have to be changed because it's the truth it's bedrock in facts and data points yours are fairy tales gas lighting narrative fairy retail made up to win you're petty little politically fights the decimate are southern porter's you get votes and stay in power it's pathetic to watch pathetic you should be embarrassed all right i've got a lot to get to eight one correction yesterday show thank you people pointed this out that 'em lunatic on twitter we pointed out who is still a lunatic that's not a correction that climber a person who seemed to try to justify brutal attack on andy no be minority reporter who is reporting on any pizza she does not work for the hillary clinton campaign said at hr c i should just click on the twitter handle hr seizure i thought hillary rodham clinton calms it's human even worse even more so it's the human rights campaign paid even worse this the greatest correction ever oh man so it's not the hillary clinton campaign the woman who is trying to justify an attack violent attack on any minority journalist covering it people believe it or not works for the human rights campaign okay yeah i need it i don't know what else besides okie kito shore the human rights campaign of human rights campaign you really nailed it which charlie climber he's doing a great job there that's the greatest correction ever one more note to i forgot to mention begin i will be friday night fox to channel nine pm guest hosting grass watch 'em thanks with a strong performance on friday we had a ton of you were so thank you very much dvr if you can't watch it hannity nine i'll be guest hosting all right moving on a ton of a ton of anti yesterday but it's interesting how now this is catching on about the disaster that this washington post gas lighting job was yesterday of a long and short of his yesterday we covered on the show how the washington post finally is writing a story a detailed story about josef mifsud you know the story just minnesota alleged russian agent past information the trump campaign team member george popadopoulos that the genesis of the whole russia collusion story as i'm gonna probably bring up tonight if mrs not a russian agent the democrats entire story about collusion i mean completely falls apart becomes an entrapment skiing this is why the story yeah dangerous so the washington post is trying to get out in front of it so aaron my they had some tweets up a this is a really good is this worth your time aaron my face like hey if if this guy miss suing the washington post wrote this story kind of insinuating minnesota's russian agent or outing of as a double agent right equally as bad but monterey as this great tweet if this is the case why did muller tell us if he writes he had no problem citing the fbi's claim that constantine kalinic has ties to russian intel tell and he did his best to suggest miffed sued was a russian agent that directly calling him one curious if this is claimed now and he goes on saint given mother tried to suggest that missing kalinic with russian agents it's hard to believe usa intel identified minnesota's a potential russian agent but somehow mode and tell us what's going on my face words my guests were about to learn that myth sued is tied to western intel ding ding ding ding dang yes sir yes sir we are yes let's end this story in the washington post is designed to switch the narrative in advance before it breaks that trump was set up by western intelligence friendly or a double agent and they're trying to get out and advanced the he could have been a russian agent why joe so all the people often say hey look at a we got fooled to sorry is washington post or is pathetic the most embarrassing piece of journalism i've ever seen remember muller's report he talk about missing russian in connection so what the heck does that mean that doesn't mean anything russian connections joe russian connection to russia i know people in russia there's nothing illegal about knowing russians the question is where they operate he's an agent of a foreign government i'm telling you the answer it miffed sued is no all right interesting story yesterday in the federalist about anti gel what if we heard about this at a by the way don't go anywhere i wanna get to the trumping ultimate dealmaker so i i this is really important this guy has a knack for going in for the kill right hippie opportune moment and the media entirely miss will get to that next so stay tuned but interesting story the federalists about eighteen foot they did this is probably the greatest headline story i've seen in a long time it'll be in the show notes please rate it's really good is by david marcus show notes app on gino dot com subscribe to my email list middle easterners raptors headline line eightyfive is mostly made up of privilege white dude's they leave it radio jones's missed me stretch it out stretch this headline further thereby leadership must be made up of privilege white says i'm gonna get to these mugshots intimate jerome public record of course on these folks have been arrested will get them in a second but the reason i bring this story up again is to show you how you're being misled by false narratives on the left and the reason i do this is not just poke fun at the although it's very easy to do that and i'm glad you enjoyed the show and we take a comedic angle sometimes but the show is always been designed joe and i'd be you're commuting show home you could listen to or watch and you're television show from day one joe and i are vision of an rb hack are big hairy audacious goal give you a bunch of facts and data may be funny about it sometimes serious about it others but to give you the ability to debate when you left this friends to win maybe not win debates with their friends but the people listening to those debates and change hearts and minds that's always been my go see may say well how does this story fit in it fits in because ladies and gentlemen you've been told by liberals not by saying people by liberals that their whole purpose for existing is one coexistence be compassionate the fight pretty underprivileged and most importantly joe to fight against the white male patriarchy which has this and trench power and one of their big concern call it critical theory one of their big concerns fighting white supremacy is white supremacist mrs violence so in other words joe you've been told by leftists that they're they're the combat violence animated by skin color primary purveyors of this violence any critical problem fresh society is white driven vile this is by the way this is nonsense right okay yeah i'm not suggesting there are white supremacist basil's obviously sadly exist but i'm suggesting to the left is telling you that this is the primary problem in society they must be combative and it's an overwhelming presence and this has to be some kind of social modification to government the fix this yeah look at the mugshots of all these people people okay a number one two three four five six seven eight nine i dunno that eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen year i'll say out on what twenty photos there yeah eighteen happened to be wife talk and they say in a piece at a time when many on the left is from the piece at a time when many on the left the rightfully concerned about outright white violence why do so many on the left seems so nonplussed by far left white violence in most cases even refusing to acknowledge that sweater antifascist folks you'll have to be subscriber my youtube i'm telling you everybody in amongst shots mob ashley i can't even tell we've got about eighteen out to our questionably why yeah you're you're probably right thank you joe welcome now joe this this matter to me and you know i don't care what color you are somebody in the face goaded jail i don't care if you're green goaded jail but the point i'm trying to make is we've been told by the left that there's this outbreak a far right white patriarchal violence yet every time you get a mugshot of many people catch a white dude beating up on a conservative so i thought it was racially motivated while you're you're not concerned about a bunch of white guys in oregon beating up on aj minority asian journalist andy know who we address yesterday who is pointing to the hospital with a brain bleed why does that matter he answered joe because this is not about you racially of racial violence with the white patriarchy you're critical but it has nothing to do with that it is about the left and what i said to you yesterday they have no emergency brake on their ability to attack you or their desire to attack you because they believe in second or non god given rights a guy recoup tweets that emails me a lot i always appreciate the feedback positive or negative but i i felt wasn't appropriately negative comment is you know you wanna rick and i don't mind you send it to me but he said yesterday you commented you had this twenty minute rant about any teeth and leftist and i love that one of my favorites i've ever done domain yesterday show but he said he had no solutions i thought the solution say the general obvious arrest these people why do you think i called out the mayor of portland police chief i taught the solution was obvious i may have missed that he's pc only negative email i got so i love you rick thanks freer emails but i think you're the only one who missed it the solution is not to pay attention to the color of the people in the mugshots right it's to enforce the law regardless of the color of the people in the shots or their ideology you claim to be a conservative and you wanna go punch people in the face go to jail sorry no sympathy here you're a liberal eightyfour lunatic who wants people would buy change and padlocks goaded jail enforce the law the purpose of yesterday's ramps to explain to you the motivations behind these people so you understand what they're doing so you're not misled into believing this liberal movement has anything to do with compassion or some fight fight against the white patriarchy they are the white patriarchy look at their mugshots just nonsense forget this this this identity politics infatuated society is crumbling us gosh we get back the kings just judge people by their character is this really that hard all right moving on all right today show 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deal that trump's been talking about he had a measure a a she'd be a meeting with president xi of china this guy as a knack for striking it's just the right time listen what's going on his hong kong hong kong's very serious and it's not meant to downplay it should not be a strategic a tactical weapon in any kind of debate because they're fighting for liberty and freedom in hong kong so long story but it's regarding an extradition treaty to the mainland that the people of hong kong valiantly fighting a basically it will you know this this the whole one nation to separate ruling systems will collapse freedom in hong kong which we should all be advocating for will fall apart if this was passed it they rescinded it but now they want a the the woman stepped down who propose there but the turmoil at hong congress cause significant issues over there in china it's cause issues that they're gonna have a real problem with the chinese and they're they're they're heavy buta the surveillance state they run and they're socialist government ladies and gentlemen can't go on forever people you're not the wax poetic care i'm not trying to do that but people you're born free people you're in for freedom nobody wants to be the yoke of under the yoke of tyranny i think president trump understands right now is the time to break the back of the chinese on this trade deal moving now we are weaken their weakened by what's going on in hong kong he's making a move and the chinese could talk all they want all the chatter about were not gonna make concessions trump naturally this week disney's business deal i think you'd say remnant of him being a new york city builder i've told you all of these queens guys i love without which trump is one of my grew up in queens to not far from where he grew up they have this natural chip on their shoulder and i don't mean this is a knock torch trump but they learned to reach people guys ladies please i'm telling you this i grew up in this queens kids have this mac they make the best cops 'cause they could reach people like that they have a chip on their shoulder because there never is tough as the brooklyn kids the brooklyn kids have a natural or of toughness around the corner from brooklyn i'm from brooklyn everybody's scared scaredy really scared of kids from queens you should be some of the ones i bet but serious somebody mckay but the queen's kids never have the money of the manhattan kids so they're not they're not ports kind of a suburb of bush's large portions of queens but they don't have the money you're the prestige of the men manhattan kids at of all the connection so there's a chip on their shoulder there to queens kids are always trying to prove themselves so they always always breeding people they got the santana going around then they're always looking for a weakness trump i've tried to explain this the psychology behind trump before that's my queens guys like my brother who was a democrat for a long time and now it's a big trump supporter he totally gets it he gets in my brother's a queens kid to they sense weakness because they have this ability to reach people because they're oh we misjudged they're never toughen up so they gotta prove himself but they're never prestigious rich enough so they gotta prove himself again andy reid people trump sensors and opportunity some weakness with ge here and they're moving in for this deal don't be surprised if he cuts a landmark deal right it's election season is heating up and puts the democrats on the defensive that see ability of trump to be strategically unpredictable and move in at just the right time i just wanna bring up an interesting note i i i haven't been avoiding the china story it's a big one is just been released at newsweek weekend yesterday show that anti fa thing is you could probably tell still fired up about it was really on my mind please listen to yesterday's opening it was important to me it means a lot okay moving on so as i said we are now a match the longest recovering coverage from a recession in modern american history at upwards of a hundred and twenty one months is it now i was watching fox yesterday and they had a couple of liberals on of course they're gonna try to spin this thing is they always do and say oh well we could fake president obama from this ladies and gentlemen this is nonsense sense okay i searched around for the best article out there that short sweet and to the point it's a little older and twenty sixteen but it can i just say quick i think this is the benefit of being on her email list i'm not trying to sell you on anything but on my email list you're not just gonna get like today's k's news any you get that anyway good twitter oh we do a lot of homework on older stories that are now relevant again and one of them is this one up at forbes from twenty sixteen and i picked up it's very very well done it is definitely worth your time a it's by rex think of failed forgive me i'm saying her name wrong obama and the dem's dismal recovery's from twenty sixteen but it's worth their time and it's worth your time because as this recovery goes on in the trump administration more and more democrats are going to try credit obama now that is categorically false ladies and gentlemen the obama years eight years of recovery sexually less then that becomes a recession wayne down into the first couple of years of his presidency i've said this repeatedly we we have recovered ladies and gentlemen from every recession in depression in american history fact from the fact that we recovered under obama is not unusual we did see economy recovered it is no longer mix of recovery is not eight i'm not using it as a qualitative term amusing as quantitative one in other words a recession negative growth positive growth is recovery it's the degree of the recovery and the degree of the recession matters it's the margin that matters folks i can't explain this being strong enough terms how important this is when evaluating ecconomic i i always used the heat no heat argument right in the winter and in the summer argument a cheater cool let's say the winter but the argument aside heater no he of course he phrased that what's the argument joe how much is sixty eight sixty nine seventy seventy one it's the degree that matters not peter no he so samy economy recovered under obama and making it a yes or no it's not a point there economy is always recovered under every president be real analysis is what to greet it'd be economy recover under obama a little a medium amount or a lot any answer is a little matter of fact the littlest in american history point number one from this forbes piece entitled close deal bama recovery the last seven years remember this one twenty sixteen remains the worst in postwar american history average gdp gross domestic product growth since the bottom of the recession in two thousand nine folks were barely above two point one percent a year be average ladies and gentleman since nineteen forty nine growth rates after a recession is well above four percent a year during the previous ten expansions he only average not even the reagan had six percent growth was the six five and four nineteen eighty forty five and eighty six obama's two percent growth rate during his disastrous presidency was the worst in modern american history again we have always recovered that's not an argument you're covered under the obama administration so what we've recovered from every recession he answers how good of a job did he do recovering any answer is the worst he did the worst job in modern american history the grocery the growth rates in our point higher under trump who still cleaning up obama's mess point number two what did this you know don't do us any good to say well obama's recovery stumped what why was that well be off the wreck sinker feld here says quote i believe the route cosby abysmal growth is a huge tax increases imposed by obama and the democrats in congress since two thousand eight the most harmful with increasing the capital gains tax from fitting remember this the most harmful with increasing the capital gains tax from fifteen twenty percent bring it up again layer support they increase in the top income bracket from thirty nine to thirty five thirty nine point six and the new tax of three point eight percent on investment income and therefore double care act the massive increase in the regulatory burden to the ac ain't dodd frank bills are also crushing but unfortunately are harder to measure very simply be authors explaining why did he obama recovery's think to the heavens it's just dumped the heavens because obama high taxes took more money out of the free market economy and put the regulatory burden of red tape crushing load of it on your back very simple yet he increased you're costa survival you went to work and you paid more money to the government and paid more money the regulators to get off you're back simple is that folks remember that capital gains point by the way mhm 'cause i've got another thing coming up later i teased on yesterday show within about a little think trump's pose and that would make it big big difference for your wallet to the i got one more more data about just how bad they obama recovery was trust me when i tell you're gonna hear more of the stamp recovery then it was the worst it's stone investment firm the forms piece week investment is these signature feature and cosby abysmal obama quote recovery aggregated all investments in the united states is an dps basically private investment folks in the whole thing relative n p d i net private domestic investment was seven percent per year from nineteen sixty two thousand seven percent that investment figure he averages seventy eight percent from nineteen sixty to nineteen ninety six point point five percent in the clinton bush years for obama joe that investment figure wasn't astoundingly low two percent of gdp to a third ladies gentlemen facts don't lie democrats do these numbers are awful brutal investment in any economy will off how taxes were high the regulatory burden was crushing and the growth rate was horrible keep that ford's for speech check it out it's in the show notes today it is a hundred percent worth your time and why again why we bringing this up because my whole purpose of the show is the give me the metal ammunition you need the fight the good fight because it is that fight that is gonna persuade persuadable to vote for people in power that follower liberty agenda what's the point of this otherwise i don't just come on the show the rant because it makes me feel good anybody can read their shows out there with that ran ran he ran a great race what's the problem the problem is you gotta percent facts and data she could make it on an articulate argument the people you're suggesting obama help you how he had the worst recovery in modern american history investment was a third of what he averages been from the sixties to the nineties sort of what he was even under clinton gdp growth rates were less than half of the average post world war two when you're saying it's not backed up herbalife by any facts and data you're just making it up but liberals are very good at that as we've seen in the past it's pathetic okay i told you stay to finish capital gains important story little wonky but worth your time okay finally today's show brought to you by buddies at wax rx wax rx wax rx clean knows ears out but don't stick the cotton swabs in your ears you're not supposed to do that just look on the back of the bus in the do not put any inner ear it's funny outside we're not stick it in there well how do you get the wax editor here's how wax rx what you get you get a little spraying also put he put a little company the're stuff that comes out of there it's pretty gross but you gotta clean years out it is but yet the steps that you know how much i love my sponsors wax rx not the sexiest 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sure she's like you're gonna love this i this is great i gotta check this out free advertising they don't even pay is a sponsor look they give free advertising who's better the number all right so i'm getting my story of the trump capital gains tax rate there's a rumor going around that the trump administration story in the washington times in yesterday's show knows please check it out that the trump administration since thinking about it and acting another ball tax cuts this stories by dave boyer the washington times trump considering cutting capital gains taxes to bolster economy ladies and gentlemen this would be huge we don't do class warfare nonsense here we do we conomic some growth policies left they'll tell you it's a tax cut for for the rich don't care who gets the tax cut all i care about is gonna grow the economy give americans more prosperous livelihood quality jobs and wage increases or not i don't care about you're class warfare nonsense what is this mean how is this gonna work why would it matter capital gains way the capital gains tax works now joe is it's not indexed for inflation so rather than me explain it to the washington times doesn't really nicely here's a quick example of what this would do let's say joe work this is from the washington times piece of a worker invested five thousand a year in the stock market in year two thousand and that investment had risen to eight thousand last year current law call with investors pay taxes on entire three thousand dollar game you're tracking you invested five thousand dollars in the market and two thousand it's now worth eight thousand you would have to pay taxes now in that entire three thousand dollar gable folks what's the problem with that the problem is quote most most of the gain about twenty one hundred dollars of that it's not a gain at all folks it's due to inflation by taxing only the nine hundred dollar real game that wasn't caused by inflation de investor would pay is substantially lower tax nice okay gotcha yeah why should you pay taxes on money that's solely a reflection of the united states government's off or monetary policy you didn't make three thousand dollars you may nominally three thousand dollars you won't we may nine hundred dollars that's like saying joan i think about it right might my my father just go quick analogy maybe it'll make more sense what if i wasn't a hard example i don't talk down anybody but my father tell me the story about this house they owned in long island city never believe it we we bought it for thirty thousand dollars in you know we sold it i forget what he sold it for i don't know three hundred four hundred who knows i have no idea and asking when he sold it but you think wow meanwhile keep in mind both the house and the seventies by thirty thousand if you made two hundred and seventy does not know you make two hundred seventy thousand dollars if you adjust that thirty thousand dollars worth of you poppy made like twenty grand on that there's inflation inflation factor that's a result of a monetary adjustment and that that amount of money being able to buy less goods overtime here's a here's a good way to frame it up for this is a cool one thirty thousand dollars in nineteen seventy my dad bought that house show yeah but what he's what would you say about maybe ten cars you get a car from three thousand bucks right decent car new year old maybe even a new car pinto sounds about right yes thirty thousand dollars now folks that by you ten cars heck no by you one why thirty thousand it's inflation the the buying power of money goes down over time due to poor monetary policy me united states so we pay taxes on money you didn't earn that's just a byproduct of a nominal adjustment to are money makes no sense good for trump this wouldn't be terrific you're pension funds value would go through the roof some people naysayers they'll say well not really because people start selling stocks because now they know their tax bill miller and do what with the money knuckleheads burn it pick about a stupid that is they're gonna sell their stocks is a tax bills are yes and they're gonna take their money to the burn pit in the backyard light it on fire what did they do they're gonna reinvested in bonds equities other businesses growing economy making those stocks were those companies worth more stop being an economics per phone liberal not you in my audience unless you were any comics buffoon liberal listening i'm sorry but get your head out of you rectum that's not how this works like i found stocks at do what with this tied it in their mattress what is wrong with you for trump okay a nationally i can't believe i'm gonna get to oh yeah this is important so yesterday i may not only did i miss bobby bonia day be greatest sports contract in american history i mean bobby over what a but yesterday was also a hero of mine is a birthday folks this isn't gonna be one of those long so you may be saying here oh you're talking about a somewhat many of you know some of you don't but should know 'em thomas soul oh joe is that listen to me extolling the virtues of forever with any high yesterday thomas soul is one of the great thinkers of our time student milton friedman soul is a legit thomas soul wrote the two greatest books on conservatism economic liberty i've ever read i can in courage you and strong enough terms the rhythm one it's called vision it'd be annoyed did it'll change your life and older book doesn't matter they ideas universal there there's a little more complicated it's a bit of a slow reid so the more detail but it is another life changer called conflict divisions again the two greatest books i've read about conservative conomic policy liberty 'em just fantastic really when i say life changing i mean it i read visually anointed over to midnight in the white house doing the secret service drives me nuts are hard you know when you when you you get you get off the way it works in the white house is going at the security details you don't work the whole night you work in shifts and you take forty minute breaks because they don't want people falling asleep right so you know you don't get the fall asleep when you're break so you know you rita booker something stay away but it's hard to repeat on midnight these books are amazing so in honor of thomas souls eighty ninth birthday i had a few quotes here that i pulled off of google that are just words you're tommy i in a nice article by the way happy eighty nine thomas soul one of the greatest looming economist by march eight perry he's at mark jay perry on twitter quote number one from seoul socialism in general has a wrecker failures so blatant that only an intellectual no word of eight amen brother thomas preach preach in socialism record's so horrible that only intellectual could ignore avait quote number two it tastes considerable knowledge just realize the extent of your own ignorance what did he mean by that seventy one but i this is important i used to call it the fatal could see the pretense of knowledge ladies and gentlemen v idea that you know so much you can organize the system to manage all the variables in society i eat communism central planners folks do you know how dumb you have to beat believe you're smart enough to do that think about that yeah so believes real knowledge is understanding iran intellectual limits i used the example in the past before if you want at a price of baseball card and got a government bureau together of twenty baseball experts the price that baseball card ladies and gentleman they would probably give you a price that initially may be reasonably close to the market price but overtime those two prices are gonna diverge why if these are the smartest baseball people on earth how come they can't affectively price of baseball card in predict what people would pay for ladies and gentlemen because they can't get into the minds of three hundred and thirty million americans kids who could bet on that baseball card or not they don't know why that baseball card might matter i'll give you a perfect example i like glenn davis glenn davis was the first basement city astros later onto the mets i also like don mattingly mattingly he was pretty popular glenn davis wasn't all star but you know you had a decent career but he says baseball cards really aren't in kind of demand i think they should be used a great player that glenn davis baseball card matters to me i may be willing pay more free how does the government bureaucrat know that he has no idea i never met me now he's ever been to a baseball game with me and heard me say hey i really liked what davis it's the pretense of knowledge that government bureaucrats ken in any way organized prices in society and disperse dispense with the knowledge excuse me of three hundred and thirty million americans who were bitter not bad on a product is insane all right moving on a couple of more quotes 'cause he's good a you can recognition missiles pretty much of social history of the western world over the past three decades but the history of replacing what worked what sounded good this is another soul favorite how liberals basically the whole essence of liberalism annual regis and visually conflict divisions is affected the liberals are emotion based whereas conservatives are factbased we say to ourselves with summer proposes a policy okay then what that's a soul and then what then what happens liberals will say propose this policy because it makes you feel good it's in a motion shouldn't base ideology next one this is this is the secret service special to people who enjoy meeting should not be in charge of anything we had a thing of the secret service called bpm if you were a dp amber death by meeting you were out death by meeting meeting you love the call meetings why because you probably just wanna hear yourself people who enjoy meetings no place running anything absolutely right all right just a couple more ammo wrap it up again don't miss may be on hannity if you were not prepared to use force to defend civilization then be prepared to accept barbarism amen brother thomas sadly next one piece of some of the finer was by the way freedom is costs too much blood and agony to be relinquished that the cheap price of rhetoric the most basic question is not what is best but who shall decide what his best and the last one my personal favorite the next time some academics tell you how important diverse city is ask them how many republicans there are in this department nice work thomas so very well done ladies and gentlemen one of my ideological heroes at one of the great lines ever his his his critique teak of helena banyan name i believe she's a pennsylvania welfare secretary starts talking about women on welfare and he says swear well why are you starting the story in the middle in other words how did they get on welfare in the first place it's your policies that did that one of the great lines ever really great job happy birthday mr thomas all folks thanks again for listening i really appreciated we subscribe to my youtube channel youtube dot com slash bongino subscribe to our audio podcast on apple podcasts i heart radio soundcloud again don't miss me on hannity tonight nine o'clock i really appreciate it if you tune

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The Best Decision?

Highly Questionable

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The Best Decision?

"All right welcome to highly questionable patriots jets last night. you know. Dan will come to work to about that. Luckily macon's into that kind of stuff elle's donkin xiang gao to i watched every second. How should cam newton and the patriots feel about barely beating the jets all right so patriots game back late in the fourth quarter pulled this thing out right at the end on a field goal to win thirty two twenty seven over the jets and they should feel like they should feel like they did not lose through the jets. I do you realize what this conversation is. They were having right now if cam. Newton is the quarterback of team that lost to the new york jets. There's no way to patriots can spend this as anything. Other than a whole lot of whoa. That worked out well us and you can argue for the jets. That worked out pretty well for them because winning doesn't do them any good. But that's easy for me to say because i don't play the jets. It's not my job to get embarrassed on national television once a week. Well the patriots player should feel relieved. The should have mixed feelings. Not just because beating the jets is like being a bunch of first graders in a spelling bee but also because this team isn't a contender right and it's not just because the offense everyone always makes this about how bad the offenses in camps struggles. But the defense led joe flacco put up one hundred twenty eight passer rating on them. And i know spunk. Humour was out. Obviously they've been missing a bunch of players all season. But this was supposed to be good. Those are good players out there and you'll flacco lit them up so if our patriots fan. I know this team isn't going anywhere. And i'm starting to wonder about next year but unfortunately the jets are in better position. Get the quarterback of the future. This is why. I love having been on the show because she can give like real thoughtful intelligent analysis and i can then deliver an analogy that involves like cam newton being a terrible boyfriend that i have dated many times I love watching the patriots. Because i have been in this relationship before. It's pretty unhealthy. You don't really know what's going on like at first you. There are really good signs of commitment right like he. Does things like tell you that you can keep a toothbrush. His house and he sends your mom flowers on mother's day and then bam before you know it. He introduces you as homey to his best friends. And like you realize he's taking you on dates. So the i twenty five miles from your house. It's just back and forth between committing and not committing. I am so here for how abusive and unemotional. This entire thing is. I struggled to see the connection to that in the new england patriots. I'm just trying to figure out who was taking you twenty five miles away to that now now now. I just all those stories true. All those stories are also bomani. We'd been dating for few years. He gave me a garage door opener and being ridiculous. So i thought that was significant. Admit something I realized because he wanted me to park in his garage. That other people couldn't see i was in front of his house pivot. I was going to the patriots lineup. In the i formation has decided to run the ball off that off that note. No need to go and direction. Steve young said that trevor lawrence. She'd go back to clemson next year after watching the jets fault only nine should trevor lawrence consider returning to school here. We in this. Steve young had this to say on the monday night. Football broadcast night. Let us actually listen to him and ask ourselves what he thought this. I had to do with that shirt team. That you know is not going to be good for a long time you can. I can put them on my back. He manning treatment two guys that joined bad teams. Were only building. Blocks already had a plan. So the jets. Don't look to me is like that doesn't look like a team with a plan right now. The way the jets are. I might think about going back to school because i don't want spend my first run to carry a team on my back. What i'm saying is you come to the wrong place with no help. You can have your career severely limited when you want to play fifteen twenty now. One thing to keep in mind is the last person who really got to the place in this discussion to be like no. I don't wanna play for that team. Was eli manning. And it worked out because the giants won two super bowls two years after. He said he was too good for the chargers. The charges were legitimately the best team in the league. My problem was steve young had to say though is maybe he doesn't go play for the jets but the response to that is not to go back to clemson if the jets have the number one pick you decide to come out get drafted and then you tell them you are coming but the solution is never to go play for free yes especially because all you can do lose position at this point right. God forbid something were to happen to him. His senior year What i find interesting about this whole thing though is is the idea that they don't have a plan and also the idea of what are his options because let's say he does go back to school he still going to be in the running from all these sorry teams next year you'd rather go to the jaguars you'd rather go to the giants or the no name team. That's going to be your options next year as well. The jet started ten rookies yesterday. Like i get it. Adam gazes a disaster and he is going to get fired. This will be it for him but this is a young team that doesn't have any direction currently can solve that by just hiring some competent front office people to manage this ship and on top of that money has said that they are absolutely done with. Sam darnold. i don't know how you could be absolutely done with someone at when making the third pick in the draft after thirty games. Anyway i wanna say something nice about the jets. I actually think it's a good place to go. Based on what i saw last night l. Talked about all the rookies. The rookies look good. I mean the guy becton got hurt. But he's been the best rookie left tackle in football action data safety. They drafted play. Well denzel men's wide receiver out of baylor. Look good as well. It got cap. Space got draft picks. They have not adam gays next year. Right by the way. Trevor lawrence does enter the draft. You will know who they have. Whether it's naric be enemy. Or an arthur smith on top of that to beaumont. His point this isn't about the jets versus donald. The steelers of the saints or like a fun team. Steve young position the jets against going back to clemson and the only thing worse than being paid to play for the jets is not being paid at all. It's a no brainer. That he should enter the draft. And i think new york is a fine place something to consider though by the way that i have anybody talk about this other than me but if there's any possibility that the cowboys could get trevor lawrence. There is no way in the world. Jerry jones is gonna walk away from that like. Let's say that the cowboys wind up with the third or fourth pick in the draft. Would you put dak prescott in the first round. Pick or two together and send it to the jets to get trevor lawrence. Because if i'm the jets. I make that trade. If i'm the cowboys i do too. It's been forty years as they had a star quarterback that will be anything close to what trevor lawrence is jerry jones. Wait till he hears me say this. You boys got point. You're welcome jerry. That is the nfl live actually and the eight no steelers about big ben injuring both of his knees and going on the code list. All right so the thing about robbed rothlisberger. I've been surprised that he's looked as good as he has coming off the injury that he had last year just because he was old. And you can't expect old people to get healthier right. He came back. He looks alright now. It sounds real. Oh when a man's got to knee injuries at the same. Damn top the kobe. I guess we'll find out about that. But as for the steelers. How worry should they be. We have seen everybody else that they have to play quarterback on that teeth and the steelers saw them. And we're like we're going to roll the dice on fifty eight year old ben rothlisberger coming back this year off of an elbow injury. They should be scared to death. Ain't got nothing. Let oh shocked that they didn't pick a better backup because we know who mason rudolph is. We saw it last season. Blimps of it by the way on sunday when benn went out for a drive like he plays in this game. Instead of ben for kobe related reasons or injuries. We will be longing for the halcyon days of patriots jets. Because that experience is about four point five yards per completed attentive is not pretty and i don't care how good the defense is. The was the last year and they finished eight nate. It is a disaster waiting to happen ben. Hurricane camp play. They should be praying. I'm going to be a little different than the. Bring back. charlie batch crowd. I don't i feel like this is sort of like par for the course ribbon like ben roethlisberger baby over the last eight or nine years to be has sort of been like bo. Do you remember that mike. Tyson fight where he narrowly wanted an afterwards said that he had broke all of his ribs which is completely improbable Not true it feels like been loves to sort of play like this grizzled. i've got broken. Collar bones twisted ankles and bad knees. But i'm still out there. And how brave great. This feels like much ado about nothing. Because he is on the covid lists but it's for contract tracing which means that theoretically if you pass this test he could be back in five days. Which would put him back on the field on sunday and they do have a two-game cushion in the division over the ravens. I would be more concerned with the fact that seemingly their defense is a little bit up and down in the last two weeks they have looked not exactly like super bowl contending form but as far as ben goes this is just what he does guys me they brought back mason rudolph and the homie duck and they win a guy giants dolls from wherever he was before. That's got four quarterback. Can i could buy those other. Three into one quarterback. What about what they saw last season led them to sink. They were all cool this year. Because you're totally right like every time. Ben grabs a body part. Part of me is like oh boy cried wolf. he's fine he's gonna come back in whatever rough dirt on it but we saw was actually. I don't want that. Nobody wants that. The seventy two dolphins going on next on myself stevie. Show like e f at other. Mike evans thing. We do something about that. He was like yo he was open. He just didn't get targeted. Why can't that over. Why how often do you hear coaches say that. Highly questionable is presented by grey goose drink responsibly. Part of happy hour. It's your apartment. Speaking and i need some favors. When you're singing in the shower. Just try going up a key. You're trying to be an alto when really. You're a soprano. Oh and if you could bundle your renters and car insurance with geico it's easy to do online and we could save money and then when you read your murder mysteries at night. Could you read out loud but skip the murder parts. Because i get scared. Go for bundling made easy. Go to geico dot com today. Hey i'm andy. 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Razor waited handle shave gel and travel cover offered just three bucks plus free shipping just go to harrys dot com and enter three three six zero at checkout. That's harrys dot com code. Three three six zero enjoy. You question bruce. Arians is throwing shade at tom. Brady oh here we go here. We goes bruce arians on monday. Talking about what happened. You know when they got daybreak. Beat off by the saints in the stadium on sunday night. Here is bruce arians talking about why it was. The mike evans did not get the ball. Mike evans said just seventeen targets combined in the last four games. You get thirty one targets in the previous for two of which topped one hundred yards. No you force the ball to mike. got jameson to trouble last year. Some but within being the best receiver on this team. Why isn't byron. Making a more concerted effort of getting mike involved in the passing game earlier. Mike is mike was open a bunch of that ball game. He just didn't he didn't get targeted that's all he was open. It might was open. The interception day be That was just poor throw The one chris. Chris read write properly. Tom thought he was going deep. He stopped Those things can happen sometimes when you when you're on the run all right now. I don't think that shade especially at the end because he tried to smooth over. What the thing was that interception. I wanna talk about the reporter coming out. Hot with the byron left which shade like mike evans in getting the ball into him. You'd think byron these to make sure they thought aboard help as though the quarterback doesn't have any role in this what i do see in this though what we know about bruce arians if he thinks you slip and he's not gonna pretend like you not because the tape. Play tom brady. That means you're going to effectively have to blame somebody else at the same time. It why they supposed to give. We really need to do like a revisit of what shade me like. Shade is bruce. Arians something shockingly. Mr perfect data bad throw shade. What he just said was honest. Tangible credible criticism lake. We all saw that. You don't have to be like a visionary of football to be like. That was he was open. Wasn't getting the ball in again. It was all precipitated by someone. Trying to blame byron left. Which the pointed tom brady is were used to tom. Brady rather coming from a place. In new england where bill check would rather just say nothing at all and be honest and the honest truth. Is tom brady. Had bat ever seen tom brady have. It's nothing deeper than that. But this idea that. Like bruce arians shady. Tom brady is so ridiculous with on. The media is taken aback. I'm taken aback. Because i listen to a lot of coaches and they rarely criticized their quarterbacks the way he just did like that amount of unfiltered honesty. Which is exactly what it was by saying. That mike evans was opened. That was one thousand percent of criticism. Tom brady we. Don't hear that from a bill belichick. We don't hear that from any coach. Bruce arians is unusual in his willingness to put himself out there. I agree it's not. Shane perhaps the need definitely took a shot at braiding there i wish we could give is two replay of the second that i started talking until the minute that l. Stop talking me canessa. Still right jodi foothill. Maybe it's because i listened to too many. Nfl coaches my bar. For honesty's the floor was a miscommunication that happens. The other one was poor. Throw which obviously was like it. Other mike evans day. We do something about that. He was like yo he was open. He just didn't get targeted wi- can't that. How often do you hear coaches say that. But how often do we beg for that though. Don't we want that. Oh my god. We want bruce arians also feel like tom brady because an dudes when they make bad plays on the field. You gotta be wanna bring it to him when he plays bad. These play with tom brady for twenty years. They kind of sick of it. I bet if you guys don't think that was shot at brady. I would love to have seen tom. Brady's face watching that. Because i guarantee you that faced which doesn't move a lot these days to be honest. Look something like this. Yeah well just because you because it felt like a shot don't mean it was. Shot toughened up. A big baby still has some left in the tank. All right so this is a four on four basketball league in los angeles. And you're telling me. They glenn davis who is not an nba shape is played in four basketball league in los angeles. That sounds like a horrible idea in these times. Show me more. Oh yeah that's never shave. Linda okay key is crazy athletic considering you know what i mean also noted that ain't no ain't no fool court who was guarding big baby. Both of those portly gentleman our in incredible shape. Considering i feel like this is mean. And i feel like you're all being incredibly petty. Everybody knows they went to school with someone who you want to laugh. 'cause closed in fit. And then you realize it's probably because they couldn't afford new clothes and we're just sitting here trying to get laughs at his expense. I know that's where you're going. Stop it. That's the only reason you show that video. That's the only reason y'all show. That video is to be mean and petty. Okay i'll i'm really not trying to be here but i mean there had been a bit resides available right like this. I mean that that was like a small situation on extra large honestly there was strapped kind of feels lousy. Maybe what i detention for that. Look at crop tot situation. Because i knew he didn't show up in jersey. He put it on in his house. He saw how it looked at new way to the core. While i understand your point they could not get any larger size. My honest and fair question is was size that we talk about here right. Like i don't feel like this league is able go get your custom fitted jersey if two xs. Well do you probably. Esol bo thank you. Y'all are talking about this league could've done this. Can you look look at the tape video again. Look at the house. Small court is what league is this all know. Seen i got another little friend over there. Now okay follow. Watch this clip. You see that guy. What is he wearing is a t. shirt under his jones e. I don't know of that guy. Okay how about this number twenty one jersey that fits therefore glenn davis is absolutely doing this on purpose. Guard him are in the same way. Plays again guys more. Great athletes considering everything questionable is presented by grey goose drink responsibly. Part of happy hour. Hey it's your homie. Sorry it's your home. I know you don't like it. When i call myself your own me so i have some favors to ask you. Could you get rid of a few chairs in the living room. My floorboards are tired and other easy thing. 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The History of Country Western Drummers with Matty Meyer

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The History of Country Western Drummers with Matty Meyer

"If you like drum history and would like to support the show head over to drum history. PODCAST DOT COM click the Patriots link. You can contribute as little as two dollars a month and get some really cool perks now onto the show. Hello and welcome to the drum history. PODCAST I am your host Bart van der Zee and today I'm joined by my friend Matty Meyer and we're GONNA be talking about the history of traditional country Western Drummers Mattie. What's going on man? Hey how you doing. Thanks for having me absolutely this is this is really cool. Because we've talked for awhile and have become friends through social media and all that stuff and just I'm pumped to have you on on the show. Because like a lot of a lot of times I can say. I don't know much about this but this topic I really don't know much about Not growing up as a country Western guy so really really glad to have you here. Yeah well thanks man. Yeah Man I love talking about it. So where do you wanNA start per usual. Let's just jump right in with the weirdest country. The Western drumming begin and maybe explain the difference between country and Western. And all that good stuff sounds good. Okay cool well. Traditional country western drumming got starting the dance halls of Oklahoma Texas role Louisiana New Orleans the Mid West California and New York City in the late thirties and forties with Western Swing Cajun Music Jazz and Polka and Western swing of the combination of jazz traditional string band music cowboy cowboy songs and Polka and one of the most famous Western swing drummers. Is Smoking docket. Who was the first drummer for the Texas playboys and even in a joking? A young Joe Morello played For the Arkansas travelers back then it's basically jazz minus the call and Response Kind I love swung Polka like You know picture gene. Krupa wearing spurs that kind of thing exactly yeah and Cajun music. Is French Canadian. Folk Music Acadian folk music mixed with American string band music and creole music in Louisiana and one of the most famous drummers. I was this age era of Cajun. Swing Drummers was Kersey Pork Chop Roy who played with Harry shots and then of course you know you've got jazz driving. I mean the start in New Orleans with the second line and track terming it baby dodds so that there's all that so when you combine this debt and that's that's all dancehall music so when you can buy this dancehall music but the hillbilly string band country blues and spirituals of the southeast like the Carter Carter family the Johnson Brothers L. Watson and so on you get what we now know as country and Western Not to mention Jimmy. Rogers who recorded with Louis Armstrong and Miller who originally recorded by Blues in nineteen twenty five with drums. So that's that's where the term country country and Western comes from. You know the the yeah like string band music mixed with the dancehall music man. That's To me it's something that I never never really would have put together the jazz. It seems like worlds apart jazz and sort of the string band era era of music but managed just goes to show that everything builds off of everything else and Everything is influencing all the other different kinds of music. So that's just fascinating exactly like when you think of a hillbilly string band and old time music. You don't necessarily think the drums here but you know the the rhythms that that that music had its own own progressive traditions to so the rhythms created by the Banjos and flat footing and the bones were later kind of adapted to into country. Music drumming. Sure now has it but you know but then when you think of Western swing in jazz you almost always you know. Think of a drum kit you know what though what year like what. What are we talking about writing right now? Oh you know so like this is this is. We're talking about this earlier. Part here is is. I guess you could clump him with the Western swing era which you know. That's the late thirties and forties cool. Yeah but the the the truth is the drums have been part of country music tradition long. Before the term you know country music existed during the civil war and like fife and drum music military drumming drumming was used to move vicious on the battlefield as well as entertained troops but many of the melodies at the Feis would play where adaptations of American and English and Irish folk tunes that we now refer to as old time music and the rudimentary drumming. That you know went with that music. exp followed the melodies very tightly. Follow the rhythm of the fifes very tightly. And you know that that rudimentary vocabulary became part of the syncopated brass bands. And second line drumming in the War Orleans you know which eventually led to development of the trap kit. You know so that it's so but even like the tradition of fife and drum music having old time background which is such a big part of country music and then all all the rudiments that went with that later inspiring. The you know the New Orleans stop. I mean that's that's the big connection right there. Serve the music but that goes way back. That goes way back. It's fascinating to me about how many of these topics Kinda go back to military. An army uses of the style. I think that's true with a lot of different like even technology in the world. A lot of things like the Internet everything goes back to like the military military. It's pretty fascinating. Yeah it is it is fascinating so moving forward then Into the thirties. The Western swing kind of feel. Where do we go from there? Okay okay so like you know. The drumming has been part of the music longer than it has not been and in the early days There was no such thing at the country tremor like I said before. Most drummers background were jazz show drumming and Polka so outside of Western swing in the in the forties. You know drummer had to make it up as they went along. Drummers like ferrous Coursey Nashville First Studio Drummer geared to make it up as he went along Ferris recorded with Red Foley. Hank Hank Williams Patsy cline even bill monroe and the bluegrass boys now. This is the late forty s into the early fifties from you know from the late forties and early fifties these drums were kind of a dirty word Nashville and had no place outside of novelty. Now why why is that because you know they were. Ah becoming a brand. And the brand didn't include drugs. You know the the brand included string band music and that's and that's where that kind of stay but really people like you know. Oh drums were in a big part of country music but really leading up to it and there's only early like this little seven year Period where there was you know no drums and country music which leads me to you know the base brush. I call this the prohibition era of Country Drumming In the early fifties the base the base brush was used to reinforce the back the along with a soccer them guitar in place of the drums. This is where a Drumhead was attached to the Upright Bass Ace and the Bass player would simultaneously plus the base and strike a drum kit a drumhead with a brush with the same hand This is heard on a lot of the early Hank Williams Webb Pierce recordings of the era. You know I don't know why they were just like they just didn't want to have. I don't know there's really no answer to that question. It's like it's almost hypocritical like it's like We don't want drums. But we're GONNA do what we're going to turn the Bass player into a drummer and my immediate kind of like Practical thought of my brain goes to like Is it may be one less mouth to feed one less person to pay band and I mean it might be too simple. Yeah you know I really. I don't know the full history on like why they you know they came up with the Abass Brush head but look it up online. I mean the pictures of it are super cool I only know of one bass player. that that actually really does it so cool to this day. Yeah it's a cool gimmick. You know it'll make you stick out. You know like for years before I I really don't dove into the the music I always just assumed I was a drum on their according to Hank Williams and Hank Snow Oh and all the Webb Pierce stuff. 'cause like you hear the shuffle pattern and you hear the back but you know obviously there's no symbol is no kick and you you know. I guess it could be the sound of the pick on on the strings but no that and then it turns out to be this then the most famous bass players to do that that were Ernie Newton Lightning chance and Junior Husky. Yeah that's funny. They almost like. They almost classify. Why is like drummers as well like they're like eighty percent bassist twenty percent drummer exactly and you know and it's significant enough? Because that is the birth of the country found the classic country sound so they have to be kind of clumped in with the drummer's for sure because they yeah and so you said there was about a seven year period. So then we get out of this kind of dark ages of the drums and move from Said uh-huh in the mid fifty jazz drummer in Nashville. Native Buddy Harman developed the country. Shuffle beat recording with ray price and He did this with a one. Stick one brush and this became the standard practice for country drumming The classic example of this would be on ray prices. This is my shoes. Keep walking back to you This method was would be applied to the Shuffle Waltz and the twelve eight groups. Yeah so that's kind of the now we're moving. They're they're letting the snare drum into the music but it's still a emerges into the music with a truly unique style. One brush one stick. It was almost like they were trying to take the whole drum set and put it into the Justice Nair because you can get all those sound out of the snare do with the brush having a different texture and then the rim click. Now when I say one sick one brush. I don't necessarily mean like Big Open backbeat on the snare drums. Although that did happen from time to time but mostly with your standard you Ram Click. Now what would that look like a right. Your left hand will be the stick doing the rim click and your right hand would kind of do the brush Kinda like shuffle. Or what did that actually like physically. What were they doing your left? Hand Doing Ren Click and your right hand is going to to to to to to if you can get the so. That's basically very standard country shovels. Got There they were. They were just kind of trying and figure it out you know. They're they're what they like. I said before there was no outside of Western swing. There was no formula and they wanted to come up with something it was truly there. Oh it's awesome. Yeah cool yeah buddy buddy also recorded with many pop bax Including Roy Orbison in the early brothers she plays on Cathy's clown and pretty woman you know So yeah he you know and and and buddy went onto the first call drummer in Nashville For as a member of the ATM and ended up playing on a you know a great many of country's biggest hits you know So basically he was a jazz drummer and his sensitivity to the music gave each tune. Its own unique drive So it may seem that a lot of the grew sounds Taylor. The Art of country drumming is in the details drummers would create different combinations using you know two sticks to brushes one stick one brush leaving the kick out of the action. The most important thing was to support the tune without distracting the listener from the story of the song so so the story came first and and drummer gets had to keep it moving. Yeah it's really cool. How the I think the softer her or like I should say the more nuance you have in your plane? Not Playing the kick on the first verse like you said it's just it's so then the second of the kit comes in on the chorus or something then you go into it. It wasn't there and now you can feel it so very very smart. Yeah it's it's a really creative way to have there be a change without there being a change. It's subconscious. I I just. I always remembered when I was younger and listening to country music. I could've sworn I mean it just seemed like the chorus has had so much more life and it was just as simple as putting the kick a one in three and then dropping it back out again during the you know when I came back in. Yeah really yeah you have to fight the urge to not always always do you know the one three and the snare onto and four. It's like just play it cool and you have to try it nuts too then realize how you you know being simple as good. Yeah but the cool thing about it. Is You get to tailor each groove to each song you you know like to to go with a melody or if there's a specific rhythm and the melody that needs to be emphasized you can do that with the click you know or or like dropping appetite any little bomb the way GIN KROUPA would on the bass drum just to set up like the two. It's like it's like many many many Kamini big band drumming Kinda agree way to put it which makes sense because all these guys that were doing these sessions back them were jazz drummers so so it makes complete sense you know about it does jumping on the side here a little bit were they. This was all happening in Nashville. Obviously so was that like the hot spot to be in. Everyone who wanted to be in. This kind of world was moving there to be country drummer or was it. Just music in general was happening in there and they're going to get work. Well they industry moves to Nashville when they opened up all the studios Nashville I when decker came here at the qualms Hutt and That's when Nashville kind of started to take off as a The music industry capital. I guess yeah but I don't think it's. I don't think it was like today where you know people were moving. We'll be here in hordes. I think there were people. Were coming here but I don't think it the way it was today for shore. Also I don't say that there were an abundance of drummers like you know in the lives you know trying to find auditions and stuff to be in band but but But yes in a lot of ways. This was the place but country. Music was popular all over the country at this time. So you know yes Nashville was made you know I guess some would consider to be the capital. Oh and it is the capital but it was happening everywhere for sure okay cool. That's a good good way to pat the picture. Yeah well I guess onto onto the sixty. It wasn't until the mid sixties the jump start becoming drummers for the sake of of country drumming For the first time there was a right and a wrong way to play countries. Rum's drummers famous Drummers like milquet Willie Cantu in to Helen Price Blend Davis Arnie atoms. Willie Ackerman they all. They all had a vocabulary to work with. You know they this. This is what you do. This is how you play country drowns. The blueprint had basically been kind of laid out before them. which is it's cool because it hasn't been that much earlier you know it wasn't that long before that it was decided it all happened really quickly? I mean you can say this. I mean think about the different kinds of music that was happening in the fifties and sixty. I mean it all happened real quick. I think young people were You know we keep this. Current team keeps coming up just that they were making it up as came along but around sixty. They're starting to become like this is how you play country. How you play rock and roll? This is how you play blues. You know it all started started the find its place your rock and roll has just been going on. I guess there's more options for people to listen to like. I feel like early on. It was like well. You're going to like jazz or you're GonNa like Jazz. You're GonNa like you know big band music like you're not having Like now it's fifty fifty thousand different genres of of every kind of music so But it's starting to branch out to that will become more nuanced. Yeah Yeah but then you know in in the sixties yeah there were different variations of the country stuff over being discovered such as like. I don't even know how to call this group but I call it the straight country country shuffle which sounds like it. Sounds like it's a compound grew And and this this groove is is interesting. Because it's it's it's Kinda straight it's Kinda swung but it almost sounds like a surfie with with the rim clicks instead of an open snare And this is. I don't know if they were trying to compete with rock and roll. Or what probably you know but The pioneers of this grooves would be Glenn Davis in on Arnie Adams who were working with George Jones and Johnny paycheck check and the best example of that group is on the song. love bug just as funny like it's straight eight but it it Swan I love it. It's one of the one of the weird or groups of of all time but it's so cool. Yeah it's It sounds more modern from what I'm just kind of gathering from from not actually hearing that song but it's like it sounds like you have to compete. You have to push forward and become more relevant than to stay to stay hip and that's kind of what this group is Again just kind of I think what happened was when you had a singer and he played guitar guitar or or she played guitar and they had a specific style of strumming whether it was more strong and more like open fanning wing of the flattop. Like I think the drummer was real country drummer right. That was real sensitive to that. And we'll try to lock in with that person's listen Dr had so if if they had a more one pattern they played a more swum. beat if they had a straighter thing they played a straighter straighter. Beat you know. Maybe if they were a bluegrass guy which has its own rhythm? They'd have to kind of a they have to go with him. Yeah Yeah Yeah because otherwise it would be just like competing kind of mess of rhythms it at different times. Exactly exactly exactly. And then the you know the mid sixty different influences started coming in Asheville and this is when The Great Drummer Grammar Jerry. Carrigan moved to Nashville from Muscle Shoals Alabama and he brought a blues and our be influenced Nashville and he worked along with Buddy Harman and learned from him but He went on to you. Know Kinda usher in the straight eighth era of of country drumming coming and became one of nationals. I call session drummers He plays on behind closed doors by Charlie rich. And when you're hot you're hot right by Jerry region that those are such great teams but this is when things start you know other influences. Start coming into the music. That's not related to basically not related to string band music. which in the the base of all of this music this is when rock and say like what influences like? What's what's changing? Oh you know like we were saying before you know jazz. The sound of Jazz is changing rock and roll. Now we have our throwing the Beatles into the mix You know there was so much music coming on that and people you know Seoul music like I said Jerry Coming Jerry. Carrigan coming from muscle shoals and the blues and are in be it all started to find. Its way that's awesome. How this brings me to like the now? Bakersfield Shuffle Bakersfield California. The Bakersfield Shuffle. It was developed by Willie Ken to and this. This shuffled pattern is a Straighter tighter version of Harman's nationals nationals shovel And the the quintessential example of this is on Bucko Tiger by the tail and it's breath. It's kind of like the normal country shackled pattern. You know that but it's like a it's just a little straighter it's it's straighter and swung at the same time I love because it wasn't a full on. Okay now we're gonNA play straight eight. It was well. The based on the kicker kind of playing a lot straighter and the hi hat from. I'm one like to to the next sounds a little bit tighter and straight eighth year then the last and it was just an interesting little moments moment. If you listen to the country drumming from you know the fifty through the seventies you could just hear the the hi hat that gets straighter and straighter and straighter and straighter until it just becomes you know full on straightaway. Rock drumming basically. Yeah Yeah Really. And that's it's kind of funny though because like a high hat kind of has that throughout its history like it starts out with just being non-existent then it comes in a little bit more than it becomes a timekeeping sort of element then it becomes the main the main stay of all music so I think it's cool. HOW COUNTRY MUSIC IS CHESA isn't exempt from that at all? It's just like the hi hat kind of slips in there and becomes like we all need our hi hat to be still the the high was the main in the main symbol and the country drummer setup. You know they for the longest time they never really crashed a symbol at or even even would typically go to the ride on the peace section now. Maybe drummers do that today with countries but back then you didn't even open up the snare on the B section. You played the same beat and you stopped when their stock on the tune in and you emphasize need to emphasize and you just play the hi a hat and you only crash the symbol if it really called for if it really meant something or if it really helped tell the story so the hi hat was probably probably the most important symbol and in country music. Wow that's cool because it's funny because I was just reading about how much much earlier on but about how like a baby baby dodds didn't like the hi hat didn't want anything to do with it. Couldn't play with it and it's like it's so different than everyone has their own different. It's so many different little valuables in in in the different kinds of music. So what are the drum set looking like We go through. So we're in the sixties now is it basically turned into more of a standard standard kind of You know one. Hi Tom One floor. Tom Snare Hi hat. Crash ride kind of situation or is it anything kinda unique basically really hi hat snare Rack Tom Floor. Tom And a ride in a bass drum no crash cymbal and sometimes mm snow floor Tom. I mean I've I've watched so many videos of the era of a different live performances and the Tom's their set up. I've never really seen anyone hit them. But I always wondered what that was why those terms were there and which brings me to this other other point is that throughout the sixties country drumming western swing roots remained in a very important part of the country. Music Formula And drummers were given a little bit more room instrumentals or Hillbilly Jazz and a lot of times they would play these tunes to bring the singer onto the stage or to kill time between that and this is where the drummer will use those Tom. It just so happens that a lot of these videos house are of just when the lead singers out there. So they're really not used them a whole bunch And that brings me to one of my David Dramas of the era Jack Green He was known as a singing drummer and he was the drummer for Ernest. Tubb in the Texas troubadours And they were you know country music but also very steeped in the western Western swing tradition and Jack even had his own hit song as a singer and it was called there. Goes my everything you can hear the singing you know. He's saying it's like a drummer I know. He just said it was but he was mainly doing backups in the band that he was playing in right no well back then in country music it was you know it was typical that there was a star. This case that star was you know one of country music's greatest musicians of all time burn his tub and his band and was you know all stars of of their instruments You know one being Buddy Emmons the great pedal steel player so the Star would come out and say you know. They're they're songs and I said before in between they left the band dues from instrumental. This was especially the case for the troubadours but they've also let Jack Greene saying a few tunes to either bring Ernest on or were you know or took a break or something And this was typical. Not just in this band but with George Jones and so on. Yeah that's neat it it It kind of makes me think too. I guess it sort of falls in the country Category there but I'm a big leave on helm fan With the band and yeah they're obviously more rock and roll but have that kind of southern rock even though I think most of them are Canadian. But it's cool though. Because he has that. He's a singing and drummer. Who's got a very cool feel obviously influenced from a Lotta these country drummers and musicians and so it it just permeated the culture then sure yeah and Lebron grew up listening to the Grand Ole opry on the radio when he was a kid so the investments A. was a bit that was a big influence that he's from a from Arkansas he from Robbie Robertson and all the other guys I think they're from Canada Yeah she she's the only like Yeah he's from he's from Elaine. Or `Kansas born nineteen our threat. That's that's right. His book his book. This wheel's on fire Talks a lot about how the grand lobby was a big influence for him so yes the he definitely grew up listening to these guys. You know it's a good jumping off point there so the grand old opry obviously has a very big influence on a lot of people and I mean I don't know if from jumping ahead here but that is something that has to be talked about Definitely we'll get to that okay. Let's just wrap up the seventies you real quick. Ah So basically the you know the sixties was a time of change and music and drumming and politically and socially and whatnot. So different influences were making in its way off throughout music across the board but In the late in the seventy s In the late sixties drummer. Larry Lundin. You didn't move to Nashville from motown's and he brought the whole like soul thing to to Nashville. And now you know this. This is this pointless straight eighth grooves starts taking. You know this. The straight eighth groove is as almost taking place in the shuffle and the towns and the crash cymbal become less taboo In the seventy s country drumming kind of went disco and a little bit more rock. And all of a sudden you're hearing muted towns and stronger backbeat and drum fail and four on the floor and you know a bigger sound shop today. This viss are referred to as a disco country or on a GIG so lean back into like play the whalen be just mean kind of play. The show is kind kind of Chunky. Like it's it again. Swung straight back be swung disco. You know. Yeah Yeah that's funny that that a lot of music in that era including like you think of bands like kiss. Everyone had like they're like disco songs affected. But that's what's Taylor. Yeah Yeah and country music was no different. You know As you as you can see from the beginning of our conversation to now it MOU due to it the time it kept up with what was cool and and disco is no no exception unfortunately unfortunately or fortunately what side. You're in but I kinda let I. I grew up. I mean my mom was really in the discus. I kinda grew up eleven yell at least having some sort of soft spot for go sky. I'm no big problem with it gets hated on a lot. But there's some good songs you know it's it's pension answer. Drumming fits go be is like in uh against like boots that whole thing with the open. Hi Hat well imagine that but just not opening joining the hi hat that's country. That's the country disco. Be doing the same thing but without the opening of a hi hat I mean. It's so funny that four on the floor was basically how drumming started almost always. Yeah and then. It went to period where it was turned into one in three variations. Creations on that and then seventies happened and now for the floor is back and it's way up in the mix and now music sound so that's going full circle. It had it as an Naylor. So many other drummers to talk about that you know the history of the country music and I I feel bad wherever I left out because you know. A lot of guys. Like Kenny Malone Paul English drummer with Willie Nelson and Stuffy Smith recorded with Johnny Smith and Richie Albright who is kind of the the disco country came. You play the Waylon Jennings for for the longest time so there's so many guys what I always hope is that people can then do further research and kind of look into the bands and artists. We're talking talking about and and find their own favourite musicians to listen to But there's just so many of these issues like like like we spoke on the phone before but like Elvis. He's country and he gets into the kind of more rock and roll stuff but people just heavily influenced with. Dj Fontana Tanna and all the drummers who are really shaping the way a lot of people will grow up and be influenced exactly. Yeah but I guess when it comes drumming like the country drumming the undisputed champion of. It is Buddy Harman who we mentioned before okay. Yeah he's The you know he's definitely one of the big you know big names up there with Jean Croup uh he's just you know. He's the quintessential country drummer for sure. Cool yeah he He has the look you know. Would I mean there's certain people you see them and they embody everything about that time. I mean he looks Kinda Rockabilly Jazz Drummer. Yeah I mean I mean but what we consider in two thousand nineteen rockabilly. It's all kind of link got you got to put that into perspective of no. That was not rockabilly. That was just dade daily. Yeah I think they only made black wayfarer sunglasses. I'm glad that I'm sure. Yeah yeah short sleeve shirts that were rolled up with a pack of cigarettes and yeah and and jeans only came in one or two legs so you just rolled them up. You know. That's all right. Well you want. Let's talk about the Grand Ole opry. Yes this is this is this is the most Im- from the story surrounding the drums and country music It says says that drummers had to play behind the curtain and it's funny when when you ask who was the first drummer on the operate many say Bob Wells but the last time I checked Bob Wills wasn't drummer. He was a bandleader. And you know one of the most important western swing band leaders of all time so it. It doesn't make sense when you ask. Who is the first drummer and the OPRY BOB will okay? Well he doesn't play the the drought not a drummer. I'm not a drummer And you know the Grand Ole opry started nineteen twenty five string band show broadcast on calf on. WLS Am to In Nashville Tennessee to rural country. Folks with no drums and when Bob Wills showed up With the Texas playboys the play the opry in nineteen forty four. The powers-that-be refused to let bob used as drummer. and Bob was a big star. Perhaps a bigger star than even the opry at the time. Now this is nineteen this is the forties now kind of step back in time. A little better and the story goes was that when the playboys were setting up the drums were placed in the wings behind the curtain after much discussion and Bob supposedly yelled holdout drag those damn things out here. They went on to play the show. And that's kind of the lore and legend behind Bob Wills and the drummer on the operation. The first time now a lot of people give Bob the credit for being the first to use drums on the opry but Bandleader Kiwis King from the Mid West. He also claims to be the first to use drums on the operate. And that in fact Bob Wills was the one that had to play behind the curtain and his drummer. Amer getting So you know this is in was peewee. We're talking to you. Know the late thirties and early forties Also pee wee. Apparently he was asked to not mentioned drums over the air. You know don't don't mention that. There was a drummer and all like why is there such A. I guess it's the tradition. But it's this were they. I mean why. Why wouldn't they mentioned over the air? Would it just be out of fear of kids growing up to be drummer stripper. Maybe a good thing. A Man I don't know why it just you know. The operate sudden. The opera suddenly was as big show and they had a formula. It'll work in the very popular. I just don't think they wanted to mess with that. Change is scary. Yeah and that that formula just did not include the drum kit and the drum kit was a big part of other music at the time I suppose but it just wasn't what they thought you you know with how they saw the OPRY's I guess brand for lack of a better word And you know we don't and it's it's funny too because you know. We don't know exactly who the first drummer what it's still surprisingly up for debate. We also don't know what song he played. How many piece drum kit was used the name of the drummer or in fact he did or did not play behind the curtain? So it's wild. It's almost like you know the famous story of Pete Seeger with Acts trying to turn the power off. When Bob Dylan went? Electric was similar. You know sort of you know this image of Pete Speaker chopping the power power cable. You know it's Kinda the same sort of thing so the first drummer on the outbreak could be pee. Wee's drummer Harold MacDonald or it could be. Bob Wills as I drummer smokey Dacca's or Bob Second Drummer Johnny Edwards. Or somebody else we. We don't know man. Yeah Wow yeah. The timing of this is kind of interesting because as you said other kinds of music obviously had huge you know they were drum heavy and like late thirties forties. We're talking like the height of gene kroupa being in movies and buddy rich and it's this is like so it was. This isn't some like very primitive time where there were no drummer is I mean this was a country to me again. Kind of look at it from the outside is very steeped in traditional so I think that plays a big part of it. Yeah but also I mean the things you mentioned buddy rich gene Krupa. This is urban urban settings you know this is New York City California. Yeah that's you know. That's not good point. You know royal the Rural Country Folks. Yes you know. Yeah if you're in you might not know this but like if a young kid in rural Appalachia I'm somewhere and I WANNA learn how to play music. I guess it would be much more likely that my dad or my grandpa or grandma or mom would have a fiddle or guitar short versus having a drum set so I guess it's also just it's not readily. There's no music stores. It's readily available. You it's probably more difficult Tattoo Dan. Yeah Okay Yeah Yeah you maybe. Your family knew a bunch of tunes that they wrote or they were religious tunes or You know a lot of country music and a lot of blues music our Secular words written into spiritual music. So you know that that was passed. I'm sure that was passed down a lot of ways the way the drums were passed down and and and and They knew you know You learn from the guy the people who came before you And you know there weren't a lot of kids laying around rounded Appalachia but like we mentioned before flat footing which I don't know if you've ever heard flat footing but it's a rhythm it's almost like tap dancing and create create this kind of like Rumba leave Almost like like I said. But we're kinda rumbling. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah and we're just like S- like I'm probably thinking like like the washboard or like plane spoons that fall into this. I mean because that's that's progressive. Is that just a different category Well not really. It's just that more. I think I would say the country Blues Lose Side of things I mentioned him before but L. Watson he plays the bones with Johnson on some brothers on some uncontracted and one. That's one side of the wall and you really here you know. The the country walks his beginnings in their rhythmically So yeah there were different things the bones of washboard I suppose rose maybe not not as much I mean I feel like that may have come layer America just gaspar no sure the bones you know. Yeah actually I I. I've been so inspired by the bones that I'm I'm I'm in the process of finding my own set There's this really cool version version of Alabama jubilee by Red Foley and he has this bones player on it Francis Craig who who was a A kind of a show band leader. I'm not even sure. He was a drummer but he plays on that. And it's so cool and then of course L. Watson it just it's a it's a cool fun thing. I got a little compact round Kit Com. You're GonNa say what art so. What are the bones? Why are they called the bones? What what's a little more detail? They're literally the bones live there to hand held instruments That that are literally abon shaved down to be and you told to. She wouldn't Chan- Similar to the way you would actually hold a chopstick where one is stationary. And the other one kind of smack around it and it creates kind of Clicky clack and he kinda kind of like. Yeah basically yeah. That's so many cool little things so many things man. It's it's so funny. Yeah so yeah so drums on the operate. Let's finish that Yeah yeah so you know drums kind of remained out of sight on the operation Hayride and the Louisiana Hayride throughout the forties and fifties It said the Buddy Harman who we mentioned before and Herald weekly had to perform behind the curtain on the offering As a DJ Fontana who we mentioned before On the Louisiana Hayride early fifties and the Hayride was the first to use a full drum kit by nineteen eighteen fifty four and dj became a member of Elvis's dant so the drums are starting to make its way onto the opry. I mean I you know in more you know not by operate but just into country young so I talked to Glenn Davis Glenn Davis we started drumming with the opera in nineteen fifty nine And I asked her about the curtain and he told me that he had never had to play behind the curtain. And he started playing there in Nineteen fifty-nine He also seemed a little bit surprised when I brought it up and he was like I. I don't even know what you're talking about. What curtain didn't really have and this is? This is kind of a famous country drummer he played he was a member of the Jones Boys. I mentioned him before. It's kind of being the guy they they do. One of the guys that created with straight country shuffle. I mean he he was like I don't know I. I read this all the time about the curtain. I don't I don't really know and he also told me that he remembers going to the opry in the late fifties like around fifty seven and seeing buddy and Harold onstage on stage. So I've by I guess at least by the late fifties drum a snare rushes were officially allowed on stage by the seventies when the opera removed from the Reimann to oprey land. They started using the full drum kit. So yeah you know but like a lot of other guys also claimed to be the first. ps a full drum kit on the OPRY WF Colin with Johnny Cash. He claims to be the very first Willie Willie Ackerman The Great Drummer He they say that he was the first to use the term kit with Jerry Reed and sixty eight which we know is not entirely true if he can you know. If you taken account Bob Wills and sure peewee. There was a drum kit back then but then there was this whole chunk and that whole chunk is from nineteen forty four to nineteen sixty eight that there was no drums on the crazy. It is creepy. But but of course people want to It's not a bad thing but like you know you and sometimes your memory really can trick you go. I think I was the first like I don't think they're trying to alive. But no no a lot of people trying to say there. I just know like actual answer. No no yeah and I. I've talked to a lot of people about it. And they were like man the best thing to do is just kind of lay out all the sack and That is the story as to who the I was that all these facts just lay them out and hope people find out or figured out some day but as far as the drums and the curtain go. I think that maybe it happened a few times or for a while but I don't think it's as significant as people like to make it out to be. I've seen pictures of Drummers on stage with a snare but I haven't seen one photo of a drummer playing behind curtain so interesting there's that yeah. Yeah and it would. They have multiple shows day there or was it just in the evenings on the weekends cans or what was the you know because I'm trying to think may know it was multiple times. They did it for a week three times a day. And they're like just move onto the stage or something you know sure. Yeah I mean I probably went. I mean I've read it in enough books at this point about Buddy Harman having to play behind the curtain that that I would almost say that. Yeah it happened. And there's an interview with D J Fontana where he mentioned the curtain and describes the curtain on the Louisiana Hayride. Okay So they definitely did play behind the curtain but again. I just don't think it's like doc that who knows I mean also Louisiana. Hey arrive and the opry. You Know Louisiana Tennessee. I mean they're both the big country music shows high happening around the same time. You know I Th The hayride didn't laugh as long as the OPRY. The hayride considered kind of a stepping stone to the operating some ways. Although I'm sure a lot of people would not you know wouldn't like that very much but So yeah we don't know but I've read enough to say okay. There was a curtain who was the first to use the curtain. I don't know who was the first drummer and the operating bring we don't know Yeah all I know now at. The drums are fully embraced with many Tom. Toms many along and even a second Laura. Yeah now it's just all bets are often. It's just like it's A. It's hard to differentiate from rock drumming to arena. You know I mean now. Things are huge and it's it's It's the a level playing field for everyone store. And that's and that's why you know now after the seventies and country remain as as Brock Started you know seventies rock and sixty's rock I think is significantly different right. Yeah the sensibility. The sensibility that was then brought to other styles. Believe that to compete with that you know changed. The way meet drum sound changed the way the volume of the band And took out a lot of subtleties. It wasn't about subtlety. There's about power and volume moving forward. Sure yeah that's the same thing goes for country growing cool all right Mattie. Why don't you tell us what do you tell everyone where they can find you? You and just take a little bit about you and how they can keep up with you online and check out gigs. You're doing and all that good stuff. Great well I have my little website website Mattie Meyer Dot Com and you can find out where I'm playing with WHO I'm playing with and working with and I've been kinda sticking around Nashville. Mostly these these days playing gigs and doing session work Hitting the road a little bit here and there You know for years I played with pokey Lafarge and that GIG was I gotta say that was the you know that was kind of a challenge because it was you know Western swing one Polka once again. You know rock or soul and it was a real nice mix of stuff and and I've always been loved that so you know I I I play a lot. I get called do a lot of gays where it's western swing and jazz whereas and and Traditional rock and roll rockabilly and kind of all the GEDS genres speak. So yeah you know I on Instagram. INSTAGRAM by instagram name is Mattie Meyer driver. You can see where I'm paying around town and Yeah just at basically. I'm really glad to have you here. Because obviously you're a younger guy working in the world of music and you have a clear appreciation and kind of a thirst for knowledge for the world of music that you're living in which is country of all the variety so I think that's really important that you know what you're doing and the history of it. I've been enjoying it so far out. Keep on well. Thanks for taking the time to talk to us today. And I recommend everyone goes and finds as a matter. Meyer on social media website and all that good stuff matt thanks man thanks for having me bar and keep up the good work talk to you soon. All right bye bye. If you like this podcast find me on social media at drum history and please share rate and leave a review and let me know topics that you would like to learn about the future until next time. Keep on learning this. Is gwen sound podcast.

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CLAB 21: Taking stock of the new roster, and Boston's TPE options

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CLAB 21: Taking stock of the new roster, and Boston's TPE options

"Their own welcome inside the celtics. Let podcast. i'm guessing quinn. Here at glass camped about the the of celtics very different team in boston. The just two weeks ago here to survey who left. Who stayed in. What might be happening soon. Take stock celtics. roster has monday. November thirtieth. We are are we feeling about this roster. I'm feeling intrigued. I you know. I think there's actually when when we lost gordon hayward for a minute i was definitely very concerned but i think that age is actually pivoted. Pretty nicely out talking myself into a lot of players on this date and i will not I have. I may have overreacted a little bit even though i kept my mouth shut publicly because i figured there is going to be more coming in our group jet. I was previously down for least least immediately. We really thought he was going to walk for nothing. But that didn't turn out to be the case A- lots of other things have happened since then Maybe we should kind of go over them Piece by piece maybe start with some of the. Let's do chronological With vinny par yay leading in providing of two point. Six million knew how we feel about this deal was it wasn't worth passing on a dozen baynes. We found another way to do this. I mean i would have loved to have desmond bane on this team. I've just i was really into him. Going into the draft and I have. I have left for the guy because i went to college where he came up in high school. Like in the town so I thought it was going to be good. But that being said pori was definitely dead weight By the end of last season is i am str very skeptical that he has a long-term nba future. So i was. I remember there being a report that miss your sex panels done with boston anyway. So a small the two point six million teepee that was generated as probably not the epa. We're going to spend most of our time talking about but that's that's not nothing besides that we had kanter He is back in portland. Which i think is a great learning spot for him. He'll actually get some serious playing time a more regular basis the drug coverage worse. Lot better for him five million. Gp also generated from that could be particularly useful We can talk about that one. Also another time Just because you know it's not so interesting is the reason we really want to be talking about. T p's threaten the second the nor the draft ness myth pritchard madore. We talked about that on anything else that we've learned about them that maybe we want to discuss since they've been speaking to the media since we've learned a little bit more about them I got two things for you here. Justin first one. Is that my boy. Aaron nasmyth fandy basketball. Pride says that his foot is ready to go I was initially a little skeptical. Just because i didn't know much about that foot injury. But upon watching a lot of his footage. I am now all aboard the mess miss train. I think he's going to be a great fit. I love shooting so that makes me very excited and then with peyton pritchard. You know. I don't know what the future holds for peyton pritchard. Maybe he is good. Maybe he's not but regardless. I think he is going to be a much beloved figure on. Celtics and i can fully envision a scenario where paid pritchard scores sixteen points in a meaningless february regular season game and instantly becomes a hero for the entire city of boston. So yeah. I think i have this right. I believe his old twitter handle is fast puppy richard. And that's gonna stick one hot third quarter away from just being another one of the celtics fan favorites with which i know. This is out of order but speaking a fan favorites. I'm so pumped up. Turner returning to boston. That is totally fine with me. That is brilliant. Because my mind. The biggest thing you get from evan turner shining besides the postgame quotes is veteran leadership. And now you get it without a roster spot being taken up. Yep well said so i probably. That's all that needs to be said about that but it happens. I do think that you know one thing to keep in mind with. Turner is that evan. Turner is universally respected as the quote. God and the boston's post game interviews are gonna get along better. I also think that You know that will have an infectious effect on the rest of the locker room. I fully expect that a number of this team's roster will be ready to give great sideline interviews going forward. So besides that will almost that signed and traded to indiana There was a roadblock but you guys think about that roebuck. Pretty sure knew camping's about that. I'm so bad for danny ainge for resolve and his vision because miles turner to the tune of eighteen million dollars is just a disaster. So bad contract But it's not a great contract and for what you can get coming. We we get almost as good of a player koream roster in Entice yep that much money to be your fourth option on offense and how that option likes to play. Offense made no sense of very happy. That is behind us. If i wanted dude who bam adebayo was in the basket. I would have just gotten harry giles on the minimum at least giles. In buddy i mean there's off the court fit there that's very well. Said he's been charlotte. We did not have to pay him a hundred twenty million dollars over four years which to me is clear. Win Any complaints about about not matching. That deal were window. It's interesting to me. that's not frontloaded. I would think that charlotte with lamelo ball in house. Bridges and some other players would try to stagger the heyman structure such that it still adds up to one hundred twenty but it starts with a higher number and that would have helped boston. I mean it's already there traded Or exception which we can Talk about is already the largest league history but the way that the deal is structured is very bizarre. But as alex knows because i insisted on putting one of his articles that air jordan now employs hair. Gordon makes very. Hey listen man. Blessed gordon hayward dude. Who's played you. Know roughly a season and a half over the past four years and was good for about twelve percent of it just secured a one hundred and twenty million dollar contract that series with god young athlete an anti athlete. It's not even like insider trading man ge-. Mj might have had one too many cognacs. When you made that call thirty nine million dollars effectively or something in that general neighborhood when you when you count in the fact that they had to waive nick button to make the contract fit and then they didn't necessarily but they did any anyway. I mean they could have found a way to send some salary back to us. And you know maybe not charge anything In terms of draft picks or whatever. But we're sending them to of our draft picks the honor of the What i'm seeing. This is not hornets lab the for talk about this again. I mean but if we could just turn into hornets lab for one second. What on earth is that team going to be you. I with lamelo. Devante graham terry rozier and gordon hayward all needing the ball at the same time trading. Sorry we're getting off topic man. That's going to be something to watch honestly for a minute. I actually thought terry rozier was going to be heading back in a very awkward reunion to boston. Because y'all so that video of him packing his bags and muttering about getting sent someplace leaving his house which i guess was not necessarily released is yet related to any kind of trades going on but that kind of gets back to you know the fact that he's probably making too much will know maybe maybe just about the right amount to fit into the twenty eight point. Five million traded player exception. But maybe we should kind of discuss what it is in the first place while said I can take the reins on that Fewer to had. If you're a you know not an auditory learner and you want to see it written head over to celtics dot com when you're done with this half for all of your needs but basically what has happened is it's like a trade token or trade credit that has been created for the celtics to the tune of twenty eight and a half million dollars and the way tease work. There's actually a hundred thousand dollars wiggle room. So it's technically twenty eight point six million and It's usually good for a full fifty two week period but in this case because of covid it will extend into the twenty one draft on the twenty one off season but it won't be a full calendar year but it will extend to the next league year basically what it means is it allows the celtics to take on salary beyond what they send out Because usually you have to match especially if you like. The celtics are already over. The salary cap Unfortunately for the celtics because they signed tristan thompson to his new contract and the other signings that they have they a hard cap team and so they only have a certain amount of money that they're actually allowed to add to their roster during the twenty twenty one league year so we were just saying that we believe that number is gonna land between nineteen and twenty two million dollars depending on what happens with green and a few other contracts that we still don't know the nature of it can aggregate for example say green and carson edwards and make even more space. But they can't get too much more than about twenty two twenty three. Maybe very very most if they were very creative them that being said i think we do have to give danny ainge some plots here. This is the largest trade exception in the history of the nba. Which is pretty wild. All of that. For the privilege of paying gordon hayward roughly thirty million thirty nine million dollars per year unprecedented i will take it and It can again be used in full next drafts or offseason. So the whole twenty eight point five million would be available to danny ainge and for anyone who is looking to feel frustrated that twenty eight point five plus one hundred thousand dollar wiggle room was the celtics just about one hundred thousand dollars short of bradley beal's contract so not be used to sign bradley but has this segue. There are plenty of other players in the league. That could fit into the gordon hayward teepee uniform so who would we be interested because as you were saying we can't use the big mucketty mucks number to pull in like a full enough novel. You defaults your one mexican do full tier two max. I don't think but you can. You can get at least like a younger max sky or somebody who took a team friendly deal in the neighborhood of a max with this kind of money. You can't necessarily get those. Those real big money is because of the tristan thompson. Signing so what our needs for me. I think wing depth is clearly important. But i'm kind of trying to see Who maybe could at least this season rest cameras legs or you better be a potential long-term replacement which would probably have to pay through the nose to get. But i mean what better opportunity we're going to have You know. I think that is a good point. I think that both of those are definitely areas of need justin. Obviously one thing to keep in mind is that the t. p. can be broken up into multiple contracts but given the players that are available on the market if we were to go that route. I strongly doubt that either of the players required for ended up taking a shot at both of those needs would be long-term fits substantial long-term fits so i would lean personally towards using the bulk of it in one of those two areas rather than trying to spread out an address. Both i think you know maybe this is just me but i was really high on grant williams play in the bubble and i think that he is going to have a much bigger role on this team going forward. So maybe if your banking. I'm grant developing and nasmyth shot being a thing. Maybe the wing depth problem isn't quite as bad and maybe then you look for a long-term replacement for cambe but i think either way i think looking is a smarter. Play here for sure. So use a brad. Stevens kind of positional Standing more so than necessarily traditional positions of of spall hailers wings swings and bigs in this kind of hierarchy who interest you who you think might be a good fit so i kind of have a different slant than alex i think. Part of me thinks the financial situation with the self lipschitz murky really quickly and getting a young player to grow alongside jason. It marks in the others. They're going to have to be creative to do that. One way or the other. This might be creative window. So then i also think about the landscape of the east and i do wonder if boston's championship window in this moment. Thinking about kemba walker thinking about some of the other parts of the team. There's gonna be like two chapters to that and they'll have to do an honest reload and so going all in now with calling in the calvary use perhaps splitting up. The tv might make sense of all of that. Said i think probably just in your right wing. Depth is a specially with brad stevens position. Lists system is really helpful. I'm also curious about kemba walker sneeze and his defense Jeff teague defense. So i wouldn't hate adding Even if it's okay. So i really want them to get patty mills. And he's undersized. I don't know what he's still has Defensively i think he's on a on the last year of a thirty million dollar contract so it could work. It doesn't really help the team build but that someone who knows how to win championships. That someone who could run with marcus smart in terms of getting dirty and doing all the little things. He is not a linebacker like marcus. Smart he's more point guard but he can play off. Ball to so selfishly. I'm am going to tell you that the biggest need that the celtics have is that they don't currently have patty mills on the roster. Well care if you're gonna go with that route. Could i interest you instead of patty mills in george hill. Who might be a little bit more substantial on the defensive end and while he's not the lights out shooter that had he is in his prime. He goes many celtics years when he plays the celtics. And i think that george hill has still got a little bit left in the tank. He was quietly not bad for the bucks last year. And i think he could be. A decent stabilizing vet can handle ball. He can make decent setup passes hidden open three and he won't get absolutely crushed on the defense event in the way that pattie wood. And i think might do like patty mills. I think he's had a great run. my issue is you're bringing in patty mills to be campbell walkers backup. Are you really solving the problem that you already have with. Kemba getting exploited on the defensive end over and over again. I'm not so sure. I refused to answer that question. Male ability an important. He built the best to ability. There is justin diva win. Now point guard. If i okay so i have. I have two guys from the point guard. supply that by looking at and one of them is a big if but a realistic if if the trade deadline and the other one is probably also more of a trade deadline move but still. This is one that i was talking about. There was looting to the expensive option. Would be a dante. Maury of spurs. And i say expensive because he's young enough that even though he doesn't really fit through time line thus being away -able potentially they know that it's going to be worth it for a team is trying to add some depth to pay for that so i think that's gonna end up costing us at least a good first rounder and possibly an case what's likely going to be late late. I or a distant first rounder. Which is until interest rebuilding team. I think it's going to be very very costly. The other option in this is not happening unless the brooklyn nets decide. They need to trade for a player that is going to you know put them into the stratosphere as as far as being a contender is concerned. That would be spencer dinwiddie. No only way that's going to atlantic division competitor is if they need space to make a deal happen because we have it and really the only other only teams out there right now. I think our knicks could do something like this realistically thirteen. And they'll do anything. So yeah i mean. I think that's worth pausing and re revisiting what we were talking about off air. Which is the problem with tv as you're at the mercy of other teams needs and we have established The spurs the magic. And maybe the bulls as teams with players in the right Range in terms of contract. And who might be looking for future assets First or second year players or future draft pick because otherwise finding reasons for teams to jettison players that otherwise would fit into the doesn't realistically make sense and then with that said let's ignore that entirely window shop because that's more fun and One more name. Sorry just two hundred for the second justin one morning to keep an eye on kind of sleeper on this list that i think actually could be a pretty decent backup all handler and is relatively chiefs. Dalen right not. A bad option actually did a pretty decent job in dalla backup last year. I think he could be kinda frisky on this to either. Choose so you keep as an aggregate -able salary in the future two of us loan but more like that. I like to while we're closing out. The point guard portion of the programming. I really liked thomas taransky. It's not flashy but it solid up. Yeah i want jason tatum and jaylen brown to be flashy. I don't necessarily need the point guard to be flashy so if his knees work and he plays defense. Alex your point as well or better than kemba walker. That works for me swings. Yes are we looking at for wains. What would you justin first of. All you have a very liberal definition of the word wing as brad stevens. So that's my only fair. I think that Jj redick or four type make sense for a window move a because they've been around the block they're pretty solid For nia is much less reliable than jj radic but He's still pretty good shooter. he's probably overrated as shooter. But he has it in him and my stance continues to be that the celtics at choked a few times in the fourth quarter and eastern conference finals and that was the difference between a a trip to the championship. Round or not so Shooting off the bench and some resilience goes a long way. I can also It's not as obvious. But i can talk myself into the pelicans looking to trade a jet radic if the price is right so He is in the final year of his contract. We correct No he. I believe you still has your activists than team controlled contract to roof later in life. I'm and i'm definitely picking eric has mine. I want in my wing category. This one i mean. They're they're sneaky amount of dudes that i think could be had here depending on how much we're willing to give up one name that i would love to at least take a flyer on. I'm not sure if he's ever gonna meet. Its potential but i think at his best he can be a still a pretty quality nba player. Zach levine. there would be a lot of moving parts to make that happen. I think the bulls value him. Pretty highly may definitely want more in return than just like you know a couple of firsts but if you can pull that off. That's very intriguing. Core of brown. Tatum levin super athletic. Lots of shooting. And i think would be a hard time for a lot of opposing teams to deal both of the people that i was looking at. I guess off. Top of my head. lou williams. Some of whose name i've been hearing as potentially being on the market. I'm not really sure how open they are not for dealing him The fact that he was kind of one of the bigger scandals of the bubble also gives me bit of pause visiting gentleman's club when he was away from the bubble wings of course explicit lemon pepper wings are really good guys. Learn no excuse but i mean he knows a year. You're not going to get better scorn bench word who'd actually comfortable her own and i've heard some things about terrence ross A nut super crazy about him. But i mean shooting was always good. I'm play about shooting in future money. So you can aggregate them into a deal without being too negative over. Deel opens viewed as a negative deal. Norman powell of guy who's kind of that frame but you know surprise surprise. There are not a lot of affordable wings. They're all pretty expensive if they're worth having or not that great. I would just make a plug for if you want the most league average player in the history of the nba. A guy who will give you just some output and not much more than that after your. Oh sorry i spoiled very true. I was gonna guess rudy gay. Which is where. I was going to go next. I love rudy gay. I'm already gate trooper. Okay cool check this out. Do not trade. Her zach levine. At all maybe trade for rudy gay. 'cause yeah tony snell. Consistent average probably gettable rudy gays life seven years down the line version of that if we got rudy gay and then subsequently with rudy gay on the roster that would fulfil a lot of alex's two k. Eleven dreams ears. Yeah i like the idea of rudy cave. Expiring deals kind of a problem. He's he's getting people million. This season in the has nothing chest the season which you probably arguably don't necessarily want but i mean even like another year as there wouldn't be nice a laurine has like five or six or seven million guaranteed kind of among swings. The kind of guy who that is look They mentioned today in a piece on. Exactly the topic was would be the bulls had young. Because he's getting pinkerton for five million this season. But he's only guarantee who six next and so that gives you a little bit of flexibility particularly if he's of want to retain a little bit of value but also grow up on some issues the rest of the teaching me for other potential trades. Aaron gordon one. Everybody always seemed to talk about from this category players. I definitely do see fit. Defense is going to be kind of issue and she will also issue. I mean who do you. Kind of munitions smallpox south from these kind of taught yushen we. We don't have Talk danny green on this list. He's technically achievable or no. You would have to wait for someone immediately. I just think that since he's been moved again already. I didn't put him down. Because i assume he's wanted where he's now. So yeah i kinda think philly actually wants danny green on their own right right so i i i would ended up. I would be surprised if they let go of him. You know. I think that's another thing to keep in line to shout out. John corrals for this one is that we really do have to keep in mind. What these teams are even willing to give up Like a lot of these players are teams that are teams that like them and like their contribution and probably wouldn't want to give them up just dead money. You know like. I look at joe ingles. For example joe ingles would be a great fit on the celtics roster. I would love to have him here. But i don't see a scenario where utah just tosses for spare parts and i think that that yeah i think that's also probably true john collins. I wasn't going. I put cons in here to me. I feel like if collins does end up a celtic. He's going to end up getting wedged into their five million teepee when he starts like getting angry about his playing time. Some time the seasoning. I very much. Don't think he i would love to see how he fits in the celtics. I just don't see how it's going to happen. Given the she clearly wants like contracting the twenty millions dollars low end but still above twenty million. And that's just not gonna fly on the celtics roster with the skill set. Yeah i wouldn't. I wouldn't think so and he wants the world's enough when the coming summer is just not going to happen a fun. Good luck but to that. End the other guy kind of net mold but maybe a little bit more containable. We would have to pay him. I think He's not going to get that much based on less. Yes stellar season After changing you know elise coach in possibly Team below marketing. She is not really worked out in chicago. And i was very excited about shooting into the league. Look kind of array of first. Then we see that situation. He was in chicago supper life out of him so for me. I think that is someone that maybe could use a change of scenery in because of question. Mark surrounding in is always plausibly. Able to be paid fairly within the celtics ability to pay a prospect future. But i i was kind of wanting to get guys opinions on him as as a potential love that i'm kind of under the impression hell have real market as we've established at least with the t. e. the package that the celtics isolation could come up with probably chicago could find someone to beat that just because i mean he does exactly what a contender would want to add Not just down the stretch but to have in their back pocket if Justin you're right that he becomes affordable enough. So that's another really interesting. Wrinkle here is like what happens to the nets is going to reverberate. Throughout the league specially if they land james harden for example scenario i was thinking the trade right. Here go ahead. Why is this not only will potentially throw cares and spencer dinwiddie and others out into the league and then bounced pieces around but will also inform angels calculus for this season because if he thinks the nets become just like this unstoppable force than you probably if use the in season you use it future facing not win all like We might be establishing right now. So man i. We think james harden zone of the nets. No right. I doubted just not this season yeah. They don't have any reason to train into a team that isn't going to give them the best possible return in air not going unless they give him kyrie or may be. I don't see him. Eating the iranian training is so rich and wonderful. I can almost taste it. I think that Houston probably holding out. Hope that at some point. Ben simmons will be more available than he is. That's that's i think. The plan here with regard to lowry. I think he's had an interesting career. I definitely have seen flashes in his game. That makes me think he could be a pretty good player. I am really worried about The amount of time of games that he's mitch already in his young career and i am not necessarily thrilled about the idea of using a large chunk of the tv on dude. Who is not going to be on the court all that much. So i'm not quite as high on. Larry i think as you guys i will say. I do think that chicago is higher than i am. I kind of think you know. Even though he has debt definitely not had the best time there and it seems like he really clashed with jim. Boylan which everybody boiling. But you know it seems like while he might not have had the best time there. Chicago still values him pretty highly as a young player. Who can do. They can build their team around. So i would be surprised if they give him up for whatever package of carson edwardson. Semio's joie danny ainge tries to assemble here. I mean i would imagine would have to go to first round pick in that but yeah any bigs. I did not see more than one. Realistic candidates relative to obscene. Just be big out there. I think i know who you're talking about. Justin my man. Pj tucker my favorite players in the nba has been for some time. I loved that. Pj can hit a three. I love that. Pj can take on the opposing teams. Best offensive player and not back down from that. I think he's a proven winner. Great locker room guy could be an incredible mentor to grant williams. Happy birthday grant shoutout to graham. I think he could be an incredible mentor to grant williams and the most important factor for perhaps perhaps. Pj tucker does not want to be on the houston rockets anymore. Everything that i have heard out of. Houston it sounds to me that he is ready to move on and at this stage in his career of shocked if he doesn't want to go to a team that it's trying to win title. I think it would be a great fit and a really fun guy to have on. This team makes a little weak in the knees to think about. Pj tucker on the celtics tristan thompson is such an interesting addition. I have really talked myself into how awesome that could be for the celtics least of which because he's second in the league in offensive rebounding and eighth in nba history and the celtics kind of design or not great on the offensive glass or or haven't been in the past few seasons and that is not necessarily something that will maintain. That's the thing that brad. Stevens could lean into. But i think tristan thompson can also Own on the defensive glass as well so between thais who we were. I was bemoaning miles. Turner not too long ago. And i think thais at five million is a much better asset than mouth turner eighteen just thompson on the same thing and then we got to figure out what's going on with robert williams. So so what. The celtics frontcourt rotation looks like grant williams and marcus smart included. I suppose that authur than pj tucker because everyone should want j. tucker on their favorite basketball team I don't know that. I see the celtics gearing up for more frontcourt depth because it seems like the thompson signing was pretty awesome in that regard Unless they really want to go five wide and go get kelly olynyk or something all. I'll say about that. Is that if you put a lineup of marcus. Smart grant williams. He j. tucker tristan thompson and jalen brown floor. That team is not going to get scored on very much. I think we were all on the same page in terms of potential signings and range of this. But how are we feeling about those semi's tristan thompson and more specifically since we haven't really talked about him at all Jeff teak jeff teague is my dude. I liked jeff. I think he's a cool player. He's been fun to watch for a while. I think his best days are certainly very much behind him. I am not sure. The jeff teague can play a whole lot of minutes a game at this point in his career The the stopover in minnesota was pretty depressing to watch. But everyone stopover minnesota's depressing. That's totally understandable. But you know. I i like jeff teague the guy and i really hope he succeeds I have a sneaking suspicion that Payton pritchard or trout waters will be sneaking up behind him and tried to take his spot in the rotation by midseason. The jeff teague has one of the league's funnest mustaches. And he's had consistently. Has that really great moustache so i'm pretty into that. I want the celtics offensively to be pretty fluid and the pace with kemba. So i have this conspiracy that kemba walker is very healthy and the reason that he is going to be on a restriction is specifically so that young players have to play more minutes and The celtics boost their trade value. Because in this neighborhood we love carson edwards and we love fast. Pd and we love some celtics young players but until they get meaningful minutes which is hard to do in brad stevens system for young players. Other teams might not be convinced so my Galaxy brain conspiracy theories that kemba walker knees are the healthiest all the land but they have some draft cat or some trade capital. They'd like to build up. I would very much like to live in the world that you're living in hope that that is the case. So yeah no i. I think the young players celtics. Have you know up to this point. They haven't exactly wild me. I do think that train waters was very good in the g. league last year. But you know once in a blue moon that do translate into being a playable. Nba player But i i mean. I think the backup guard situation. Free now is probably fine. I think long term with we do need to start looking into better options. But we'll see with regard to the other signing though you know I really like tristan thompson. I've had a. I've tristan thompson for a couple of years now and wanted the celtics to acquire him as a trade deadline target last year You know he's not tristan thompson is not gonna light your world on fire but he will do the dirty work he gets rebounds he crashes the glass he's a really decent shot blocker. He's a pretty serious vertical threat. Still he's got decent rim gravity. I think he's also underrated as a passer. And i think with a little time In brad stevens system he could end up being a pretty decent floorspace after The issue is of course that Tristan thompsons shot is not that re l. a. Shot of course a thirty nine percent from deep last year was inflated by the took something like eight three pointers and made eight an took like not much more than that Shot for doesn't look terrific. That being said i think the celtics big front court is a versatile enough. There's enough people who can make up for that skill. That getting tristan thompson at nike million dollar deal is a pretty darn good signing for what we are looking for you any taco this year. A maybe it wouldn't make sense again. Robert williams is an asset of some consequence either for the or for trade and at a certain point. He needs to get touches. Show other again this team or another team. What he can do so there will be taco time in blowouts in celtics favor or not but novus the taco can hope that the celtics Choose to play that much. I agree with everything. Alex you just said i do wonder Ns cantered not only was good rebounder but there were times where his post offense was really all the celtics second unit had a. I don't seek tristan thompson. I i don't know if he'll be part of the second unit or not but the celtics do lose something in the benches ability to go Manifest its own offense. Kanter rejoining portland not. I don't know if that's a huge factor. But that is something that i have wondered proven we have. We have few radical offense joining the team. In rookie you know and theoretical. Maybe he can still shoe until we actually see it. Question mark definitely. We have not spoken about the biggest elephant in the room. involves face plant or two. Yeah you know. I was publicly asking for. Glenn davis to come and avenge poor nate robinson after his defeat on the canvas the other night that was just kind of tough to watch. And what's really sad about. It is that nate By all accounts basically only trained for about four months and just kind of assumed that he was gonna roll in and be fine and Unfortunately for him. Whichever paul brother he bought a has no life other than making you videos and so he probably got a lot of time to train and the results speak for themselves. I do think that it would be a different story with. Glenn davis in the ring and i really hope that big baby could come in and put in his place. Yeah i'm going to be honest with the good weather in boston. I had several safe outdoor thanksgiving obligations this weekend thankfully so i had no idea that this fight was even happening in really piece it together in real time on twitter and yeah just broke my heart Not because they're both short celtics role players but the joy that i felt when eddie house in the last game of the season broke the three point percents record for the celtics and then foulsham into sub himself out that joy that i felt the exact opposite feeling. I felt seeing nate robinson and that situation. We'll say the jig ball was much more respectful than i expected him to be after the fight and i will also say that Knit is one hell of a due to be jumping. The after the fighting making jokes at his expense and just taking it. No as the readily poor decision was for him I respect back. I hope they don't actually do this again. Anytime soon. Just because of the fact that there was a moment i think for his was did. See it happen where it was a little scared. And these professional athletes who are not boxing stepping into no real training No headgear or anything like that. That made me a little nervous. Be completely honest views. You isn't just marked out. He was out but not moving non responsive kind of thing where the basketball game heroes and without getting into the whole discussion of boxing. Detainment but you concussions are bad spore thing It just made me very uncomfortable. And i'm glad that every walked away basically intact despite being the big three tournament so that former mba players can continue to play basketball and not do whatever the hell that was. What do you think would be the best and former nba player to have a fight in actual boxing match like size-wise or just just would be most likely to win. Rookie davis and he would do things you wouldn't expect. I think you have to go with the the record and the footage the tape that we have. I just don't see any way that run. Our test would lose. That fight does formerly known as ron even the plug before we get out of here. If you're still confused about the tv a celtics up dot com all sorts out. I've piece coming up for ot g should be the next couple of days. It's just recapping lot of the stuff that we talked about on this pod. Already my thoughts on the celtics free agency decisions and kind of where they can go from here and of course you can always find me. Try to find something to talk about. Now that there is nothing left coming in terms of these nothing but we expect In terms of free agency trades and good stuff at the celtics wire and you could spot. What does this dropped tomorrow tuesday. The pod I think i'm going to edit it. Tonight will see a how i feel but at the very least tomorrow on tuesday so folks listening to this on tuesday december first. That means two weeks until a televised. Preseason celtics game true. Yeah only will do. I am not happy. I had to deal with it. Well we'll get to watch. Carson edwards hit nine threes and then promptly never be seen again so a threat. Well as always you can find the pilot on most podcasts. Catcher eps grabs he. Don't miss an episode in if you like what you hear you know what to do if you don't like something hopefully you also know what to do. But if you don't because you knew please just comment on twitter and article. Or i don't know please gets filed rating. Never whatever does it for you. Use the hash. People bringing stylized bay graham.

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Bonus Episode: Making Art, From Where We Are

Hello Monday by LinkedIn

16:49 min | 1 year ago

Bonus Episode: Making Art, From Where We Are

"Hey it's Jesse coming at you with a bonus episode this week. This one is pretty special. It's from our producer Sarah Storm. Sarah is an actor by training and when we set out to do the Lost Art of twenty twenty that series of special episodes. That looks at. What's happening right now for artists will. Sarah was a huge part of not and after we were done she had collected so many great stories that she put together. This hope you enjoy it. You are who you are. You are where you are. You're doing what you're doing and the time is now. That's Rob Neil. He's the artistic director of the New York Neo futurists and that is the NEO futurists motto. I'm not a neo but I've been borrowing their mantra to get through the recent weeks. I'm Sarah Storm the producer of Hella. Monday right now. I'm standing at the standing desk attachment on my dining table in Brooklyn New York. It is a Monday night. I've been throwing myself into my work to get through this last month. Obsessively have also been worrying obsessively about everyone and specifically about everyone who's had their work disrupted so with Jesse support funneling my anxiety about art and artists into the next fifteen minutes. This is an audio CODA on. Hello Mondays look at the lost art when I asked creators how they're meeting this challenging moment. People trusted me with all kinds of stories what they were losing and what they found today. We'll hear from rob who reports in on what the Nieto's did when they're always of the moment show. The infinite wrench had to take an indefinite hiatus. Then we'll look at how some hello Monday. Listeners took the quarantine and turned it into a unique opportunity both for their folk dance community and for online commerce. But first we're going to hear from playwright Ren Dara Santiago quarantine hit New York City. Just as her off Broadway play the siblings play was about to debut and thanks to a lot of hard work and ingenuity instead of falling silent her characters have been seen and online in some cases by the very people ren stories written for or six. Tonight let me. She got the nation. Bradfo suits you. You got an asleep are saved my home. That's a tiny bit of the Siblings. Play its world premiere was scheduled for the rattlesnake playwrights theatre and then it was forced to close due to quarantine just four days shy of its opening. I mean you spend all this time reading this thing alone hoping that it will speak to people enough for them together hoping that it will speak to them so strongly that they'll want to respond and I got all of that. I got to witness night after night. People open up to this play in a way that I dreamed about. It's sad that we didn't get to do that for the four weeks that we had planned to At the same time the the biggest thing for me the reason that I really wanted this play to succeed because I wanted to be able to do this across the country. I wanted to be able to do the siblings play in communities like mind but different from mine all over the world people who feel invisible. You know people who didn't expect to be seen on a on stage for a lot of shows that were postponed or cancelled because of the quarantine. That's it at least for now. But rattlesnake made sure that Rennes play that world premiere. It got recorded. They also didn't want to disappear because they believed in all the work we've done and put into A. I really wanted that to happen because my team has been killing it and they have done. They've gone above and beyond for this. Play that so gorgeous then. The theater sold streaming tickets at different price points and streaming. Did something cool something that I gotTa tell you. Theater in general really struggles with. I think it actually out the play out in an accessible way to people that might not have been able to come to rattlesnake made because of like their shifts and hours at work or because the ticket prices this cut the plate of them We made sure that it wasn't just theater. People became interested in this play. It was social workers. Anyone involved in any sort of caretaking for young children teachers educators anyone who deals with mental health and mental illness anyone who is affected by endemic poverty. We were on this play to reach out to the people who would recognize themselves in some way and these characters and not feel ashamed. Who would feel understood and understand that? They should admire everything that they've done found through and worked for. And I know that that's happened. Because we're streaming like I would get almost like live tweets like he would feel like the Oscars or something but I get that just literally like moment by moment. I get these emoji reactions. I'd know exactly where they were in my play. Based on how they were reacting. That was a lot of fun for me And it's something you can't to theater. There's just one thing missing for read. The active bravery that it takes to be next to someone and let your heart open up because someone else is doing then on stage because the words have doing that and they're aching for you. It takes a lot of bravery to step up step into yourself and let that go. It's definitely easier to do when you're alone watching something like this but it's not the same as doing it in front of someone and that that's a skill like that takes work and you can't do it unless you feel someone else doing that in person. So that's the layer. That's missing but at the same time I mean people all over. The country have seen it now. Emily members that would have never got to otherwise have seen it rather stick tried to make this to availability as many young communities was possible and at many different scales and abandoned the day. That was important to them. Was that people saw this story and I think a lot of people did so. I'm very happy while she's quarantining. Ren is working on a lot of art. She's written a monologue for a streaming project. She's working on her first pilot and she's working on a radio series with the middle voice at rattlesnake playwrights theatre along with some friends of the company. I have to keep making work for artists. I think in terms of we're reminded how much we need people. We need human connection how deeply we love no matter what this will not be forgotten. I'm writing it down so they could be remembered forever so that this is recognized that it does not disappear that comes from a deep deep place. Love that's how these things get made and when people can feel that in touch on it that's really what makes it eternal whatever happens here. I have faith in that. I have faith that like whatever is not supposed to disappear. Never will No matter what we lose at this time our thanks to render Santiago for sharing her story with us to learn more about Ren and her upcoming work visit her at Renderos Santiago Dot Com and follow her on Insta- at Randy Santi next week. You can see her monologue featuring the actor Glenn Davis at Home Bound Theater Dot. Org proceeds will go to no kid hungry next up. We'll hear from ROB meal. The artistic director of the Newark Neo futurists. They're a diverse. Collective of artists usually collaborate and create our according to a few basic principles. You are you are. You are where you are. You're doing what you're doing. And the time is now until recently rob and the Newark. Nieto's were being who they were at the Crane Theater in downtown Manhattan and twice a week. They put on a show called the infinite rich. Here's ROB's audio post card about what went down and what they're doing now right now. I am standing in my closet. Speaking into my iphone trying to describe what happened to us in mid March when we were in the process of rehearsing and creating our weekly show the infinite wrench we had our regular rehearsal on Tuesday and put ten new plays in and none of those plays were performed our show performs two shows Friday and Saturday usually and over our history. We've created over fifty seven hundred plays most of which are pretty short. We on that Thursday decided not to have the shows that would have been the twelfth. We decided then that we would create a podcast and that podcast is called hit play. You can find it streaming on most places you find podcasts streaming like this podcast that you're listening to right now in the podcast. There are three to six of our pieces as we discover how we can as NEO futurists experiment with audio. It's been a real challenge to make that pivot and our company has decided to continue to create weekly which is really exciting and give people an opportunity to create in different mediums. We also have sister companies in Chicago and San Francisco who are creating weekly video versions of neo future them ultimately it is really challenging to create art which traditionally was about gathering people into a unique community each night when you can gather in ways that you understand gathering it's also challenging to continue to pay artists when the incomes are so much smaller artists are in very challenging positions. Considering that most of the ways that we've made money besides making art is through freelance jobs most of which are gone so our commitment to creating art is also including a commitment to attempting to pay artists who need help in our company and we are adjusting. How we do what we do right now. It's hit play and we hope that not too far down the road. We can continue to bring the infant wrench to people. Thanks rob you can find. Hit play wherever you get your podcasts. If you're interested in supporting the NEO futurists you can visit them online at N. Y. N. F. Dot Org or search patriots for New York Neo futurists veins and vim to live in the Netherlands when they sent us their audio their work. Life had not been drastically changed by Cova Nineteen Onc. She's a fire safety engineer. And VIM is an IT specialist. And there's a key point about that in the story. He has also created a website for artists. Commerce called artists. At now vim has a second fear as a composer and a pianist and he are both part of the ball folk. Dance and music community. Barbeque is a type of live folk music and social dancing and right now it can't gather dance. Schools are closed. Events have been canceled outlet on convinced. Take it from here. I must admit a dancing. A somewhat of an addiction of mine which doesn't easily translate to my own. Living Room. Not only do I dance. A Lot Also tried to convince my musician friends when to Croon recently. Finally actually I should say for bus fife years. I've been asking him to record a CD. It's music is very popular and a lot of people ask a when he fire record something and it's very common folks seem to sell your city from a buxom stage as an extra inning income. And he still didn't have one and now we finally did but unfortunately we have to postpone the city presentation so I helped them and while to organize an online bowl. I was glad to help them as they are affected way. Worse than I am being a musician who got her income true music of course and it was also a way of getting together a part. In these times of social distancing both folk is a social dance from is a western UPN folk. Dance Style I think which is best compared as a mix of Contra dancing and Argentine Tango. These are very social events so we of course missed each other or style of music is largely meant for dancing. And a lot of answers were very chateau balls Insult and we want to the ball as best as possible. But then align as an artist ide- author already lying around. We could organize online tickets for the concert. We decided to Oscar small ticket price with false. And it's turned out to the grant international success actually the online ball. We felt connected again as dense scene. And although we were behind our own screens really could feel togetherness picture this with me. Vim HIS FRIEND. Welter all these musicians. They got people like dancing for real in their own living rooms with their pets their kids their kids toys and not only that they also call each other on the phone and dance with each other. Fia facetime and in the Youtube jet people were asking each other for dance as a youth success and we have a lot of fun and wild musicians missed. The person crowd interaction. There were some really unexpected more personal moments to instead of seeing across applauding. You'll get individual message. What a song did do them. This is dark the furry intimate if people there people telling you how beautiful Or that they are crying into comfort of their home. The scene really did get together for the musicians as well in this digital. It's almost felt like a real event including a nice income for them. It's really blew our minds. And when even managed to sell some of his CDs and it wasn't just CDs Vin reports that they had hundreds of viewers from ten different countries. It's quite frankly. The most global GIG plate so far we even had some people will never went to a ball football or new already endeavour captivate search a huge success. We decided to organize a second edition. They held that second event last month. It was more interactive on Co. Wrote me to say that it featured special effects artists doing live drawings and even dancers coming live from their own living rooms vin. We'll be playing online again soon. The next event features his original compositions and a rendition of a Dutch piece called the Congo Austin Auto. I'll post a link to the event on Lincoln and if you're interested in learning more about Vince. It Solution Visit Artists Hyphen Dot. Nl My thanks to Ren Dara Santiago Rob Neil alk veins and to everyone else who responded so openly and honestly about this insane moment that creatives are facing now and various special thanks to Vim Dehaene for his voice memo and for the beautiful music. We're hearing underneath this vio. And to Jesse of course for the opportunity to produce this piece. She'll be back next week with an all new episode of Hella Monday. I'm Sarah Storm. Thanks for listening. Take care of yourselves. Mb Kind. I'll see you around. The ten plays that did not get performed our pre show blowout style time. Dan's bag ban fans slam manic pixie dream rob buttons an absolutely false reenactment of the time young. Robbie took his sex ED class a little too literally and now a real New Yorker Conversation Between Two Native New Yorkers Matthew purchased this play for X. amount of money last Friday also swag Zarathoustra. Let's just run the tasty tastiness of things I think that's it. I think those are the plays that didn't get to be performed on March thirteenth and fourteenth.

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Virginia 2020 Election Results: A bipartisan analysis with Grand New Podcast

Transition Virginia

50:13 min | 5 months ago

Virginia 2020 Election Results: A bipartisan analysis with Grand New Podcast

"I think you can have populism without racism on this episode of transition. Virginia just because it fits on a bumper sticker. Doesn't make it a good slogan election twenty twenty. It's it's frustrating with our friends at bearing drifts grand new podcast starring matt cold hall. We have voters identify with donald trump. Who will never vote again. Because we're not going to have another golf from camp and mike allers. I believe if glenn davis was the candidate via to he could have water. We talk about the presidential race the redistricting amendment and those comments from abigail span bob. She said those comments one hundred percent off purpose. She knew was going to leak because she wants to take that mantle. All that and so much more on this episode of transition virginia Welcome to transition virginia. The podcast that usually examines the transition of power from republican to democrat here in virginia. This week we're going to do something. A little different were joined by our friends at bearing drift and their podcast grand. New podcast were joined by matt coat hall and michael hours. Thanks for joining us. Thank you for having us. Thank you feel honored. Yes so let's just dive right in guy's got a lot to unpack about twenty twenty election. And i guess we should just start at the top. Let's discuss the presidential and mark warner so. Where do we wanna start on the presidential. What what do you think. The narrative is in virginia. I think we are slowly. But surely becoming like maryland or massachusetts. Where if you run like a charlie baker in massachusetts. Are you run. As a larry hogan there is a shot but republicans are too stupid to run. Somebody like that. You're in virginia so we keep failing miserably. Matt i would actually say it's more like new jersey. Not too dissimilar to maryland. It takes chris christie or christine. Todd whitman to break through. It always seems like virginia's unlike maryland and new york in california where there is a strong tradition of conviction. I guess going back to patrick and people would rather be right than wins. Sometimes and i think that seems to be the issue in virginia. Michael what what are you hearing. What are people saying to you. I'm sure you've done a number of interviews. One of the people that i interviewed about. This is former delegate david ramadan. He's now at the shore school george mason university and he has some advice for republicans have to denounce trumpism to denounce white supremacy and go back to the basics of conservative principles versus winking at white supremacy in nationalism matt cold hall do virginia republicans need to denounce trumpism that Do they need to denounce white supremacy. Absolutely but did they need to denounce trumpism. How do you separate the two. We have voters who identify with donald trump. Who will never vote again because we're not going to have another donald trump candidate so it's a complicated question. There are trump voters out. There who do not have used Are not white supremacist. They're not bad people they just want to be heard and they want to be listened to especially in western west. Virginia they want to be heard and they want somebody to pay attention to their issues. And so that's a that's a hard. That's a hard question to ask. I don't think it's a hard question to ask. Actually i think you can have populism without racism you do not have to support the confederacy to support the working man or the hardworking entrepreneur or the immigrant that wants to get ahead in this country. The state like straining rice. We put the rice in the little strain all right and the racism or or any dog. Whistles needs to be drained out. We could still have a populous message that works for the folks hardworking folks in northern virginia. And we're matt is in south west. You know one thing that might be curious to do is to kind of define our terms here. So how would you define. What trump is trump ism. At least for me is a embrace of protectionism is an embrace of jobs for americans putting america first as he likes to say and i think for far too long of the republican politics as we've all seen i think would contributed to the rise of donald trump and the people that thought putting jeb bush. Forward would be a good idea. That people were looking for a fighter. People wanted to have pride in america again. People wanted those jobs to come back overseas and that connects with those voters. And what about. This debate were hearing from inside of the democratic party between the abigail bamberger wing of the democratic party and the a oh see wing of the democratic party in terms of socialism and defend the police and the message. That's going to win. You know historically speaking when a president comes into office that first midterm the party in power gets hit really hard and so i think heading into twenty twenty two. That's an election cycle where historically we've seen the party in power in this case the democrats losing seats and thomas. I'll actually put the question to you. Do you think the democrats are going to be attacked. By this argument that we've heard from republicans that you want to fund the police and you're not for law and order and you're a bunch of communists and is that an argument that it's going to make democrats lose seats if you listen to the whole recording of what span burger was saying and i was just talking to friend of the podcast trevor sutherland. About this. the other day span burger was saying. Don't say what you don't meet if you don't mean defend the police don't say it just because it fits on a bumper sticker doesn't make it a good slogan that's what she sake and you know. There are people on in the democratic party or consider themselves like dsa who do want to defend the police but as far as responsible progressive policy arguments. That is not actually what they mean if you compare it to what. Republicans mean when they say de-fund planned parenthood where they want zeroing out of planned parenthood funds. It's not actually what. Democratic activists and progressives are saying for the most part and spam burgers point was say like find a new slogan one that accurately represents what it is. You're trying to do because the republicans are just going to kill us with. Defend the police. If you keep pushing that bumper sticker talking point. And i don't necessarily disagree with her. And i think it just depends on the district right so One we're going to have new district line so i don't think it's necessarily given that span. Burger is gonna get hurt in twenty twenty two. We just have to see what the redistricting map looks like. But the other thing is you can't go swiping at a wing of the party less than forty eight hours after the election. And i would say that's probably a rookie move by abigail span burger there and you can't win unless progressives bust their butts for you in these in these swing. Suburban districts long-term the democrats will not be able to win without massive input by progressives and so. I don't think it's a smart thing to come right out of the gate. Swing at your party. So i wanted to address this and i would respectfully disagree with my friend. Thomas bowman i just think it was for abigail. It was such a i almost want to call it. A profile encourage like it was to stand up to the democratic party. In say we cannot and we should not do this. And i love this quote. Were she said. We never need to use social socialist or socialism again. We lost good members about that. If we are classifying tuesday as a success we will get torn apart and twenty twenty two for her to say that. Have the courage to be able to speak up. i was just amazed at that and i really wonder The democrat party cannot go in this direction. Because you're going to scare voters and Especially you know in places where we can't talk about. Defunding the police in rural america because we know for a fact that you know if they have less funds to actually respond to calls that means that that call that should firm a police officer that would only take twenty minutes is now going to take forty minutes. Because there's less officers on duty. So i think it was a real profile in courage moment for abigail bamberger kudos to her for standing up to the progressive arm the democratic party. So i'd have to respectfully disagree with thomas there. Well matt and thomas. I think she knew is going to be late. Quite possible And i think because she understands what it is to be a democrat in a trump friendly district. Virginia might be trending. Blue but virginia is the party of abigail spanneberg terry mcauliffe chamber of commerce democrats. Who believe in public safety. And i think that's virginia always is and i think i think absolutely abigail span burger drew the line and i joke biden's biggest enemy is not going to be republicans. It's not gonna be spanned burger. It's going to be progressives and their version of the freedom caucus. I think it might be mcconnell. But yeah so i actually. I hear what you're saying. And i know you guys characterize it in term of like disagree. I don't know that both things can't be tricked once right. I don't think that it's a fight between left. And right and i think did. Aoc take bait. Yeah probably she. We don't need to be swinging at in either direction speaking. You know as a democrat. I don't like. I don't really want to see democrats fighting right now. We've got the probably in my opinion. The next sixty five days or however long it is till inauguration are going to be the most dangerous because trump's kind of like a cornered rat or like a cornered animal right and he's like his life miserable as news. He's not in office like he's got stuff that he can't hide from that biden even if he wanted to be. Magnanimous couldn't pardon right. It's as simple as that. I think biden. Would though because i think biden understands that he can't pardon at a state level so it doesn't matter. If biden wants to be a magnanimous trump's life gets miserable on the issue of tone on election night. I went to the warner vic wasn't really a victory party. It was a warnermedia availability. And actually the first time that i've left my house and actually interviewed somebody in person since march and so it was at this Press availability where this is minutes after the polls closed in. Ap immediately called it for warner and he's giving his essentially victory speech. He talked about the difficult situation facing the country and virginia right now and this is what he said and the only way that we're going to be able to build back better is if americans become united that means ending the kind of attack rhetoric and mean-spiritedness the too often has infected our political discourse. Is it too naive to believe that america can end the attack rhetoric that has infected our political discourse. I think it is naive. I think it's absolutely naive. Because we will never have another as republicans. I firmly believe we will never have another mitt. Romney esque presidential candidate. We're never gonna have the nice guy because the voters just won't go for it. The they'll be like next because we had the opportunity to nominate jeb bush or marco rubio we all the opportunity in the world and we cast on it and we have to think about we will never get those voters to come out again. If we run nice corporate. You know. Here i am in my five thousand dollar brooks brothers suit. Let me talk about capital gains taxes. Never mind a little manufacturing job. I don't care about that. I care about the gop geopolitical politics of making sure. That job can be shipped to china. I'm curious about the dynamics here in virginia. So if you think about the future of the republican party the republicans have had a really hard time winning statewide. Since the era of bob mcdonnell and one thing that is striking is that we're now at a point where the democrats sort of run the table on everything and it wasn't that long ago that republicans held basically every statewide office and they. They kind of ran the table in fact on election night. At that warner event. I ran into tim kaine and i was able to chat with him about the election night results and while i was speaking to him actually the associated press called virginia and i asked him you know. Like this is a striking turnaround. Considering when you senator kaine. I ran for office back in two thousand one. Virginia was essentially a red state and now virginia is a blue state. This is how he responded to that. I went mark and iran in two thousand and one republicans at everything electoral votes both. Us senators allstate what officials the congressional delegation both houses of the state legislature. We we have over the last twenty years. We've engineered the biggest political turnaround in the united states. Any of the fifty states. The biggest political turnaround does anyone dispute. Senator kaine on that. And if that's the case what does that mean about the future of virginia. No i think absolutely. I mean it's true they say what a comeback for them. But here's where republicans need to find a needle bob. Mcdonald's message of pro jobs transportation. That can win today. I thought we had that candidate with ed. Gillespie and if you look at ed. Gillespie is two thousand fourteen race. He almost picked off mark warner he was pro immigration. He was pro jobs. Who's pro growth. And that almost one. But then in two thousand seventeen unfortunately glaspie got scared by the crazy corey people who are now going to be mandates chase people and he got scared and co opted their message and had a guy from new jersey. Defending confederate statues. That shouldn't have happened. And it was a distraction. Any he could have beaten ralph northam. If he didn't go down that rabbit hole and these these cultural hills dia and the other thing. Mike when we talk about ed gillespie that i think he ran way too conservative in that primary he sat on about two million dollars or he could have just hammered. The crap out of corey sewer in probably should have. But we've had such a dramatic shift in virginia. I saw a tweet during the election cycle. I believe it was jeff. Shapiro talked about. He remembered in two thousand four. When john kerry was gonna make a play for virginia. he opened an office in richmond. Everybody got excited press releases. Two weeks later office was closed. Staffers were shipped out now. We're fast forward. Sixteen years later and the trump campaign wasn't really here. I mean they handed out signs they would knock doors here there but the trump campaign wasn't in virginia. Well their main headquarters was. Arlington isn't it. I mean headquarters was in arlington. Let's be real but that's only because it's close to see like the actual trump apparatus. The only thing they were really doing is like targeted door knocking and every once in a while they would hand out five thousand yard signs. We weren't on the radar. And so yes. I agree with senator kaine. We have dramatically shifted all right. Well let's take a transition. Virginia's here with grand new podcasts. Matt cole hall michael allers. I'm thomas bowman. Our co host is michael pope. We'll be right back to discuss. The congressional races k. You yes you. You're listening to transition. Virginia right now. And you're probably a fan of the podcast right well then rate and review like trevor several one-star the only time i listen. It's that's not really what. I was thinking about this review from richard. Crouse this piece of shit podcast. I wouldn't even right one star. Come on listeners. I know you can do better than back. Hit the pause button right now and give us a quick review and we're back on transition. Virginia were talking about the election. Twenty twenty and who's up and who's down and what it means for the future. Let's look at the races now. Virginia has eleven congressional districts and in this election they all held all the incumbents won and the republicans were able to hang on to that fifth congressional district. Let's start there. That was actually the most drama. There isn't that fifth congressional district. Denver riggleman of course was not able to hang on. Bob good unseated him and that strange of drive through kind of primary. That happened over the summer and lots of democrats. Were hoping the cameron webb would be able to knock him off. Obviously that did not happen. So we've got congressman. Bob good headed to washington. Dc scary sentence. It is scary sentence. I'm not happy about it When we do the transcription thomas. How are we going to spell. What matt cold hall just said it. Matches that an aneurysm. Alive matt still alive but i'm very frustrated arson about this race because I just it's it's frustrating because you have cameron. Webb wasn't extremely smart articulate. Well put together. We had him as a guest on our podcast. You had him on a guest on your podcast. He is just a bright individual and bob. Bob is going to be the most irrelevant congressman in the delegation in virginia. He will probably be the most irrelevant person. Decides marjorie taylor. Green in the us congress They'll both be the most irrelevant people in the congress. Nobody will listen to. They'll probably get thrown on the house committee on staplers because they'll be irrelevant. Nobody really cares what they say. Gonna try and wrestle. jim jordan. he's gonna try and wrestle. Jim poor because of that. Terrible god awful ad. Oh my god. It was awful You know but. I mean we're right back where we were with dave brat. At bearing drift. We always call dave brat the most ineffective member of the us house of representatives. I think that bob good continue that title. With the exception of majorie taylor green. They will both be so ineffective that nobody will ever pay attention to them and they'll just be like whatever. Yeah but not guys. You know as well as i do if donald trump was not at top of the ticket and this was in two thousand eighteen or twenty twenty. Two bob. good would've lost. I think. Bob good benefited from just down ballot. Even though cameron did appeal to some trump voters. I don't think this is the last. We've seen from cameron webb and post redistricting. It's it's going to be interesting with the fifth looks like or if potentially we get a new congressional district on. Because i do think karen web will eventually go to washington in one form or another. Let's talk some numbers here. I don't know what the proportion of registered voters to population here. But i can tell. Just by looking at the numbers on v. Pap that dennis did not turn out enough votes period and the weakness is in their absentee ballot program. Where charlottesville said either supposed to be their best. Locality had fewer than five hundred absentee votes. That doesn't like what are you doing like i don't. I'm not trying to be rude or disrespectful. But if you wanted to win you didn't do it commerce. Do you think it's door knocking though. Because i mean even though i mean i'm outside of the fifth my dad's still lives there. I lived a large portion of my life. In the fest. When i was there. I didn't see any door knocking efforts. I can't speak for that campaign. Because i don't know if they were door knocking or not but i do know that dem's generally we're not door knocking in this campaign season and look right and the lessons that dem's should be learning. Is that one. You can't win without a robust field campaign all of the targeted squad that thought they were going to be tough races Decided they didn't have a choice but to maintain their field programs and they won handily whereas dem's who were supposed to have easier races did not win handily or they even lost. So you're right. I think dense can't win big without a field campaign that like right there. I've always been a believer in field. Also you need to be very smart when you're dropping ads and your digital stuff so aoc points out that dem's many dem's who lost or should have one and didn't had no coordinated digital campaign in the final weeks before the campaign in fact many of them were spending zero dollars. So if you're not knocking doors ha like what are you doing. Like mail like were passed the direct mail age for the most part. Yes there are some voters in districts where it matters. But for the most part the whole game is digital. What are you doing if you're if you don't have a digital spend if you're not knocking doors as a democrat. You can't win and so clearly. There's a disconnect between the people that dem's thought were gonna come out and vote for them and the people who did think they were gonna come out and vote for them but very clearly some basic things to happen for democrats and that is you have to run a field campaign and you have to be strategic with your messaging in the weeks before election. Well let's talk about this thomas. I'm looking at the v pat map and flew vanna candy along with nelson county prince edward and brunswick now these are all counties. That are rule. And you've got cameron webb winning in those counties and so they didn't completely mess everything up on the web campaign. They were winning. Some of those counties that are considered traditional rule counties. So i don't think they're completely made a mistake but i will say they had a lot of money. They had so much money and it just didn't work out and so i have to agree that maybe they should have more aggressive field campaign. I also think denver riggleman formal endorsement would have helped agreed. I was looking for that. 'cause they met at the distillery and i'm like okay here we go and then nothing. I agree i agree. That should have happened lest we forget denver. Riggleman still wants to run for office as dumb kind of quasi conservative in virginia. A ego endorse a democrat. Like game over game set match. They won't let you. I mean even in the party. They won't let you won't let you be a member of the party. Much less a candidate for the party so i kind of understand why didn't do it but like it would have changed the whole danny that if he's running as an independent for governor doesn't matter you know that's kind of what i thought. It seemed like is remembered denver. It with what two weeks before the election he goes. Maybe i won't vote for donald trump. You know he was already kind of digging himself out of the republican apparatus. So this would have. I think with two weeks ago. I think that could have put cameron webb over. Let's look elsewhere here on the congressional map. So elaine loria able to hang on in the second congressional district against taylor and the aforementioned abigail span burger was able to hold the seventh against nick freight has now the laureus seat and span burgers. Seat are to trump districts. We saw across the country. A lot of democrats in trump districts. Lose and there was a lot of speculation that Loria and span burger might not be able to hold these seats because they were in fact trump districts. What do we think of the performance of scott taylor and nick freight says can i just comment and say how fucking annoying it is that we lost virginia beach like republicans are supposed to win virginia beach. We're supposed to just have that military boat locked down but that it's always flip-flopped. No we always used to win. Virginia beach and then we just let it go. We'll come back to the second but for span burger and us as to the original question. I think free over performed expectations. I agree well. I will say this look. I've know nick. Ever since he jumped in. I helped actually run first campaign. Nick i think should have Possibly sat this one out to run for governor twenty one because that feels wide open. But i will say he over performed expectations. But i mean held on because she is really the deciding. Vote in this country. She's a suburban mom and a working mom. And i think that really spoke to people with the lane. Loria i think honestly with scott taylor. It doesn't help. I believe if glenn davis was the candidate and via to he could've won And i think scott taylor is always running for office. I think nick has to be careful. Because he he second try at federal office and with the righted. Snafu on nick does have to watch that. 'cause you don't turn into that but scott taylor. He has run too many damn times for any offense under the sun no disagreement from me on any of those points span. Burger held on. 'cause you're right. She is kind of the modern democratic party for the most part super number overnight woman she happens to be a white woman which is where i guess henrico dims are but suburban women are the democratic party right. Now i you know and matt has to know. Look i mean on. The yankee matt knows that. I'm originally from new york There's a lot more of us that are coming down to henrico. The yankees are invading. Virginia humbling blonde kamal yet. Come but here's the thing so we have to adapt to that. That's the that's what we're not catching on. We can't say oh the yankees are coming. The yankees are coming. If the yankees are coming we'll be convert the yankees. Because i'll tell you right now. We don't want to live up there with high taxes. I just look at what texas did. They thought that they would be real. Brilliant and invite a bunch of people from california over who liked thought about no taxes and low government and then wanted the transportation system that california had wanted all the other things that california had and they start liberalizing the state. Now it did not flip blue and twenty twenty and if you talk to most of the texas democrats they never expected it to flip. Though i'm still sweating over at though. Yeah wake up. Georgia's a wake up call a year. They've been saying over and over. Twenty twenty four and maybe twenty twenty two. They've been very consistent on that one for the last five or so years that i've been in discussions with thomas. This is why democrats are smart. Republican tapped to take notes. You guys will. Democrats will infiltrate school. Board city council dogcatcher build up that apparatus. Every single position matters every localize race matters house the delegate state senate and then you have the state. They did it in virginia they. They're going to do it in georgia. They're going to do it in texas eventually if we don't wake up so it's like instead of being unfriendly to the yankees look. The yankees escaped the north. For a reason. Let's welcome because there's more people. I believe now born outside of virginia that in virginia i want to ask a question about abigail span burger so these comments that she made about the future of the democratic party and defunding the police and the potential for democrats to be attacked as socialists. This is really kind of put her on the map. I mean since the election. She has become a household word in way that she wasn't before do you think that congresswoman span burger has now sort of set herself up to be the the anti anc or like the voice of the moderate wing of the house. Democrats absolutely and. I think i would say to her point. She has allies because she's the one that's going to get deals done her. Mikey cheryl helga to didn't she in new jersey. it's going to be that wing of the democratic party. The suburban moms working moms that are pragmatic in their solutions. That will outlast outpace now say. Abc live on on the internet. But when it comes to actually the policies democrats want to push. It's going to take an abigail span burger. And she knows that she's position yourself that's why i think she said those comments one hundred percent on purpose. She knew it was going to be leaked because she wants to take that mantle. Well and the thing. I want to say about abigail span. Burger is that she is a chamber of commerce democrats. You know for so long. The richmond business community was spoiled by eric cantor. They loved eric cantor. And then kanter loss is said they had to put up with day brat and it got to the point where the richmond business community wouldn't do anything with brat so they somebody who could beat dave brat because they couldn't beat brat in a primary or convention because the republicans were just like. Oh my god. We love him even though he's completely ineffective so let's just get a democrat. Who will talk about her issues as a chamber of commerce democrat. She can go to a she can go to a union meeting but at the same time she can walk into a country club and be like i can talk to business owners without sounding like an idiot so i think there will be a wing of the democratic party. That is what. I call a chamber of commerce democrat and i think she could be the leader of that wing of the democratic party especially in the house of representatives. I let's talk the second district real quick because you guys have been very eager to get to loria. The reality is not only was scott. Taylor a uniquely bad candidate looking at felony election fraud from the last time he ran for office and by the way. Those staffers will roll on him if they haven't already because i always will republicans have to pay staffers more. Everybody has kaffirs more out to the campaign guild of america. And i w who just union is the democratic party but anyway the like the stally machine which has dominated politics in. Virginia beach is facing an existential crisis. Right now and they're not gonna maintain their hold on the locality especially when all of those military voters as you say you know millennial right so the war on terror started of course in two thousand one. We went into afghanistan and then subsequently iraq two thousand and three. We've been at war. My entire life and my generation got sent to these same wars and a lot of people go into the military as republicans and they come out as democrats and especially the officer corps eighty percent against the president. Here so the reality is that you can't take vets. As as republicans he can't take vets and military active duty for anymore and democrats. By the way. I don't think they should be taking the suburbs for granted because wealthy white people and wealthy wealthy people in general have never been main constituency of the democratic party. The run it though they sure do. That's that's that's the thing i mean thomas could point. I think you know what the number one lesson for. Twenty twenty federal and state is this. No one's a monolith that tournament black voters are at latinos are not a model. No one's a monolith. everyone is up for grabs. And i think that's why an insane amount of voters turn out for biden and an insane amount of others turnout out for trump. Now i think with scott taylor the reason i knew he was gonna lose is because he took his photo for wanting to run for senate with the blue ridge mountains behind them and stuck that on virginia beach at that is true. Don't matter this guy's not with those were blue ridge mountains in Beach photo it was like I don't ships in the background. There's no bay. there's no boardwalk. there's blue ridge mountains ten hours outside your district. Brake job all right. Let's take a break. We could talk about this all day but we all want to get to the redistricting men so matt call paul. Michael allers with grand new podcast. Thank you for being on transition virginia. We'll be right back if you want to benefit from pay to play. Now you can buy joining transition. Virginia's exclusive patriotic community ship. In as little as three dollars to help us produced this podcast sustaining members. Get their questions asked on the show. Which means you know the next guest before the episode comes up so if you want us to ask questions or even if you just want to support the show hop over to kensington. Virginia dot com and click the orange button to become patron patron today. And we're back on transition. Virginia were talking about election. Twenty twenty and who's up and who's down and who won and who lost one of the big winners in this election was supporters of amendment one. This is the redistricting amendment that creates a new sixteen member. Redistricting commission takes the power out of the hands of the democratic leaders in the house and senate to draw maps and instead puts it in this newly created sixteen member commission eight elected officials and aid citizen members now. This group actually has an extremely tight deadline. The first deadline is november fifteenth. That's just a few days from now. That's the deadline. For the chief. Justice of the virginia supreme court to issue a list of ten potential judges two leaders in the general assembly and the leaders in the general assembly will then choose four judges. The four judges will choose a fifth judge. He got your panel of judges december first by the way is the deadline for leaders in the general assembly to name the super eight redistricting lawmakers these of the eight elected officials. That will be part of this commission and then january first is the deadline for that five-judge panel to name the citizen members. So just in the next few weeks. We've got a flurry of activity on this commission. The didn't even exist really a week ago. How is this commission going to work. And how is this going to change things in virginia. Open question to anyone that wants to answer it. Well republicans in virginia across the board or considering this a big old win because we know that Eileen filler corn and dick says lol would have drawn the map so bad that the only republican left might be morgan griffith but he would have to represent three quarters of the state so we're republicans are considering this a victory just however the amendment was so complicated wording but it was hard to like it digestible and i wonder if some people voted. Yes just because they didn't know what it was because it was just such a complex system. Is that logical voting for something. Because you don't know what it is. I mean what. I would say. No i would say no. It's not. it's not a logical decision. Well it was the way it read sounded very nice. It was warning edith yet. Well and one of the reasons democrats. The party had an objection was because in their opinion it was worded in a very misleading. Way i think ultimately. You're just gonna have districts at look really similar to the way they're currently drawn and here is my rationale for that because you don't want to members of the general assembly objecting to these maps and kicking it up to the supreme court because it's a pain in the ass now if that happens and it's a huge risk if that happens you're going to just try to make sure everybody's happy and you're gonna draw districts that more or less. Bring the same people back year over year. I think that is what's going to happen with these districts. Frankly i think piggybacking on that. Thomas i think the threat of the supreme court getting involved in the supreme court drawing a map is something that nobody wants i think. A lot of people elected officials members of the general assembly would be really concerned if they were not involved at all in the met making process and some strangers and the supreme court might be drawing the maps. And therefore you might not be in your district and your chief financial supporter might not be in your district and you're really sort of gambling. You're throwing the dice by handing it over to this group of strangers at least if you're involved in the process that you've got some kind of control over even if you're not totally in control of it so i think the threat of it going to the supreme court is this gamble. If your district is the one that's gonna get lost your gun at kick it up to the supreme court if you can because you've got nothing to lose so yes i hear. Collectively ninety. Eight of the hundred members of the general assembly might not want to kick it up to the supreme court but two members is all it takes and if two members lose their districts they're gonna wanna kick it up to the supreme court because they have nothing else to lose just just to be clear about the whole thing. It's two of the eight super members. It's not to members of the house like it's not any two members of the house could send it this court. It's two members of that super eight so if we talk about the potential people that might be on that and the house. You're talking about simon price gilbert bell people like that and the senate. You're talking about lock barker. Vogel cosgrove people like that so two of those people is what would send it to the supreme court. And i'm just. I just don't see that happening. Can i ask a question of michael pope for just a second. Is there a requirement in the amendment that the representation be proportional to geography. Meaning that and. It's always a worry of mind. Being from south west. Virginia is every portion of the state going to be represented. My one fear is that southwest. Virginia is going to be left out in the cold. What you're correct to be worried. That south west virginia will one hundred percent no doubt about it loose seats and this is the point of redistricting. In fact this was the why back in the seventeen hundreds when they created the system is why they created it so areas that gain larger population will get more seats areas. That lose population will lose seats. And i think it's pretty clear to everybody. That's a part of virginia that has lost population. And therefore thomas is there. They're going to lose seats in south west and so you're going to have members out there. There are not going to be happy about any redistricting maps that are drawn because there will be fewer seats out there in south west and that is something that is going to play out as this process moves forward. Well and you've got to be careful just as just looking at the map and and we have a lot of legislators who live very close together if you talk about those house of delegates districts in rural southwest. Virginia i think about our friend terry kilgore lives in gate. City and israel. Quinn lives twenty minutes away in bristol. And then we'll wampler lives another fifteen minutes up the road abington but they represent three different districts easily. I mean they could easily draw all three of them. And you've upset. Israel whose in house leadership terry kilgore. Whose in house leadership and we'll waffler. Who's a freshman and you've just drawn them in within a forty mile radius of each other but it's also i mean no no one is not going to be a perfect win for everybody and that's the thing but this is the closest we have to. I think you know staving off. Virginia turning into a new york you know that all could very well be true. I'm i wonder what happens. If we were to war game real quick will moorefield and terry kilgore terry kilgore and israel. Quinn is much better drawn into the same district. Kerry webbed cherry wins. The kill was in his last night. But that didn't work for his brother. Though is not in the final outcome. The drama is in the race to get there so what happens. Like what does this look like. And in appalachia and kilgore's one of those characters who is bigger than the republican party and a lot of ways at least in that part of the state. So what what's going on here. If we have a free for all in rural south west. Virginia what does it look like well. I think maybe you've got the wrong. i've always heard. And it's always been speculated that they will never draw kilgore out of his seat. The question is will they draw the to wills out of their seat. So delegate will moorefield of tazewell county and delegate will wampler of washington county Getting them drawn into the same district and they will murder each other in a primary. Although i've heard moorefield in the past has been more open to run in convention slash mass meeting so you never know what will happen. There wouldn't he and while based off characteristic of well moorefield and then the people who vote in caucuses or conventions why would will moorefield ever want that because he can get all the coal miners that worked for his daddy to go. Yes will more feel disconnected to the coal industry And so he can get all those coal miners to show up at a mass meeting. So that's why in twenty seventeen when he had a mass meeting. He got all the coal miners to show up for it. But matt what if the other guys just big pro call now. You can't get more protocol than will and also we've tried that and the reality is the democratic party is facing out so what you would see what you would the democrat that would be in. My opinion mildly successful in coal country is going to be one with a realistic plan for them to mind. Something out well. I tell you what. Though starlet kaiser gave us the biggest scare twenty nineteen in south west virginia. And so if they can run. Somebody like a starla. Kaiser that's gonna that's gonna put a seat play down here. There's no question about that. What i'm concerned about in redistricting and just play this out with me is that we're going to have to draw some of the congressional seats together. And you now have congressman. Bob rewarded who sits in campbell county and they could easily draw him into the same district as congressman. Ben cline to do it now thomas. you've just do you. You spoke that into existence man. I wasn't even thinking about it. But here's the thing and this is what an out our been wanting to play this out because the people who are behind bob. Good were the same people that lost to ben cline in that twenty eighteen convention. So they're looking for blood and if it's a member on member congressional convention because you know it'll be a convention because republicans are dumb It will be the biggest blood-bath that virginia republicans will ever see is congressman bob. Good versus congressman. And we've been talking about that for a long time. Because i mean ben client simply just isn't a fighter. Well being is a fighter. But he's going to have to fight more than the whole. My impression is that there's not a lot of republicans who actually like been clyde. In fact one of the reason for a lot of the general assembly endorsements he got was so that he would get out of the general assembly. i been. Klein is my congressman. And i like the job that he does. He is a great member and hope that he stays in congress for a long time. I doubt he listens to transition. Virginia you can say whatever you really feel that. Don't don't be held hostage. Hey i have been cleared sticker on my car. love the man i think. He's a great congressman. Yeah i definitely. I definitely see that. And then you have you know whatever. The fifth looks like that's becomes cameron webs or if charlottesville gets drawn into the sevens. Right where cameron webb lives on. What could happen as span. Burger goes to the senate where i think she'd be very effective You know Especially building coalitions. If tim kaine or mark warner retires and then web has that seat. Okay if cain or cain or one or go to the cabinet. Yeah that's really winner. Go to the cabinet. We've got an open senate seat and it's abigail span burgers through the take for the taking. Its bamberger 'cause so i was talking about this with uva policy podcast at some point. The and i agree that we haven't really explored in virginia's. What comes next. If especially if we get an open senate spot and i think by the way that Mcconnell keeping the senate leadership for now at least makes it more likely not less likely that that senate seat in virginia opens up. Because you're now looking at who will mcconnell say yes to right and then also who won't hurt the democratic party if we elevate them right and so then you'll have an era of patronage and moving ahead and the democratic party and. I think we should not necessarily take for granted that it would be spend burger. Because i don't know that she's first in line. You've got people like bobby scott and on buyer that Might be appealing to governor north northam. But we could also open up a or get jennifer mcclellan off the bench. Appoint jennifer mcclellan to do so. I think yeah and avoid by the hammer and web. Well yeah and again. The that'll be ralph's. Call to make but ralph could potentially especially if terry mcauliffe wants to come back and run for. Governor can say okay. Well let's have some restorative justice here and just put mcclellan as senator that would clear the field or his own wife. Potentially dorothy was eyeing a run at the tents. I don't know that she has elected office in her. But it's wide open if you have the money so all right. We've got a wrap. We've gone for way over time. They will use fun was great. It was a ton of fun. We should do this more often. 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01/06/21 - HOUR 3

The Dan Patrick Show

47:16 min | 3 months ago

01/06/21 - HOUR 3

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Team is continuing to prep for sunday's wild card game of the steelers virtually while awaiting additional test results the miami dolphins and their offensive coordinator chan gailey have decided to Partways as well adam. Schefter was on a boston radio station. The greg hill show earlier today said the most natural spot for cam. Newton would be washington if he's going to leave new england as for what that contract might look like. Shefty says two years with incentives of forty to fifty million dollars. And i wondered when ron rivera went there why he didn't want to bring in cam newton. I can't imagine that cam. Newton is going to be able to go out on the open market and go. Hey did you see what i did. A new england. Two years forty to fifty million dollars. He had eight touchdown passes mahomes. Has that in a two week period based on what he was working with. Wpro rate that it's actually fifty six touchdowns. Well he wants seven games with them right again. That's worth another fifteen million. Apparently i didn't realize that. But i would have thought that his value would be diminished. A little bit there. Because it wasn't. It was last week when i think cam newton was asked questions about what do you accept. A role is a backup here. Now all of a sudden two years forty fifty million dollars here. What am i missing on. cam newton with the influx of first round draft picks at that position and you still have the carson wentz situation. You don't know what's going to happen with matt ryan matthew stafford or jimmy garoppolo. There's quite a few coaching situa mitchell. Trubisky where you're not quite sure. I'm not giving cam newton. That kind of money. Mclovin is it. While he had no training camp he didn't get to know the sesame came in late and he proved he could be healthy for a year. A lot of reasons. You think he could be better also. He looked really good against the jets a week. Seventeen i don't know if that means anything. He did look good. Yeah ebitda fact that his armed didn't fall off the guy's been through everything physically. Albert breer was on the first hour of the show. He is senior. nfl reporter. He works for the monday morning quarterback and i wanted to know because he had a tweet prior to the eagles game against washington and he was basically setting us up for. Hey don't be surprised if the eagles don't try to win this game. And then he showed a picture of devante smith the heisman trophy winner lot of stars lot healthy scratches there and i ask albert breer. Was he joking about this tweet that he sent out prior to the game. I think that the session on the way they handle that game was organizational. I don't think it was doug peters peterson's alone and i think the awkwardness of it. The awkwardness of the way that that happened. I think absolutely calls into question the way. This was handled. It looks sloppy. And i think he can make the argument to dan. This is easy an easy argument to make if that happens in at one o'clock game do we notice it. Maybe not right like the fact that it was on that stage on sunday night. The two hundred fifty six game of the year and all of that played into it. But i think the handling of the seventeen handling of week. Seventeen for the eagles was an organizational decision and doug peterson execution of it. I think you know absolutely calls into question. What their motivation was. Especially because this is a three point game again if washington's leading by fourteen points. We're not talking about this right. It was a close game. Jason kelsey said what he said last week. And i do think the front office is cognizant of where they're picking and what could be on the line so that's albert breer the monday morning quarterback senior. Nfl reporter and then. I also ask him about the rams situation. Because the rams only three and a half point underdogs going to seattle. Which is surprising that jared goff with a broken thumb. I don't know if he's going to play doesn't feel like he's going to be able to play. Sean mcveigh is not tipping. His hand either way. But i thought john wolford played pretty well in that last game. And if. I'm looking at that seattle defensive line and their ability now to get after the quarterback. I certainly have to look at john wolford as maybe a little bit more advantageous going up into seattle. Where he's going to have to have some escape ability. It feels like yeah point. It also seems like seattle's every game close game games are favored to win. Games are supposed to lose their. It's they never run away and take off the seahawks. They're always thirteen. Seventeen to start the fourth quarter here is albert breer on the rams starting quarterbacking situation the rams situation. When are they going to find out. Who their quarterback. Scott maybe sean mcvay. No who is quarterback. Is i think sean mcvay knows okay. We're back is. I mean i talked to. I talked to john wolford after the game on sunday and he said to me that like he really knew last week like monday or tuesday and i don't think it got out until much later in the week if this was a regular season game. I don't think jared goff would play. Obviously the playoffs making put put put a different layer of of intrigue on all of this at my guess would be. They are going to get john wolford. Ready to be the starter with the hope. That maybe jared goff can go but again the way it work last week. I like john wolford new really early on like this that this was going to be his show and it wouldn't surprise me at all if the rams have a very very strong idea of which way this is going. And that john wolford. Jared goff have an idea to because they're the ones who have to prepare for it so that's albert breer first hour of the show. This program brought to you by the thunder. Mifflin family has found a new home. The office is streaming exclusively on peacock. You can You can you can stream all of the episodes are you might be a newbie to scranton. But you can stream every episode again and again sign up peacock. tv dot com stream. Now phone calls always welcome eight seven seven three. Dp show email address dpi. Dan patrick dot com. Congratulations to devante smith with Him winning the heisman. Also so had you know three alabama crimson tide players in the top five. I think that that only happened one other time and it was during with army. I don't know you know. People talk about doc blanchard and glenn davis so the you know the two great running backs ed army but nobody ever talks about the quarterback at army and he finished fifth. His name was arnie tucker so he finished fifth in the heisman. Balloting glenn davis wanted doc. Blanchard finished fourth and then last night. Devante smith wins it. Mack jones his third and Raji harris finishes fifth. Yes when you said that. Had three guys from team ever been invited to the heisman. Top by other team that popped in my head was usc. I was wondering if leonard reggie bush and lyndale white linda white. I don't know what his stats were. But he seemed like a vital player. I wasn't it list but that was the three people people. I thought who is wide receiver. They had to that year jarrett. he was sharing jazz. Awesome happened to him. i don't know. Didn't he go to carolina the second round pick. Yeah check lyndale. white thought. Lyndale white had like twenty four touchdowns that year like something crazy and he went to tennessee as well. Yeah paulie lyndale. White had had thirteen hundred yards twenty four touchdowns finalist. He's a and and you know you're starting to see these comparison whether it's fair or not but then nobody ever said the sports world is fair matt leonard and to tongue of i low in comparison. Obviously both left handed not considered strong arm. Quarterbacks accurate quarterback smart quarterbacks but all of the weapons that they have and is to are gonna be viewed. The same way. Matt was because matt didn't live up to the billing when he went into the nfl but is to have. He's got another year here. It feels like and you got a new offensive coordinator here but do the dolphins at number three. Oh it to the dolphins and their fans and franchise to look at a quarterback. It's crazy to think it and nobody's gonna tell you the truth inside of what somebody is actually feeling. But you're not quite sure teams move on. Arizona's moved on from josh rosen. Because they cliff. Kingsbury found his quarterback. And in rosen. Wasn't very good but remember all of the hype with him and then he just disappeared even trying to hold onto a third string spot someplace. But i wouldn't rule it out with miami with to. You gotta do your due diligence. And maybe somebody wants to trade with you in that number three pick. But i think you'll see those comparisons that might emerge too. But i even mclovin talked to me about it he goes. You know it feels like we're putting more pressure because of what justin herbert did. And i said yes. And joe burrow we are and we're not being fair to to of because of the injury that he suffered and then trying to come back. But then when trent dilfer comes out and talks about just glowingly about to entrenches smart guy trento versus smart guy when it comes to assessing quarterbacking play and i firmly believe that and he was working amount. Now maybe over hyping him but to it you don't realize sometimes the arm strength or lack thereof until you get to the nfl. When's the last time you watch college game. You go man good things. He's got a strong arm. Everything's wide open. How many times you go. Manny had to fit it in there. It's just sorta guide things like mac jones. I have no idea. I truly don't everybody's open i can. I don't know mbacke. Jones is never running for his life at alabama. Yeah you get to the pros and then all of a sudden you go. oh man. he's got a great honor or man eat. he doesn't throw it as far as ours. I thought like everybody caught up in mahomes josh allen that they can throw the ball as far as uncle. Rico it doesn't it doesn't. It's not that important until you get to the pros in college you you you just. Don't assess somebody that way now. The scouts do. But we as fans. If i said. What kind of armed is mack. Jones have you know man. I can throw justin fields. Looks like he's got a great arm and clemson's defensive backs would probably agree. Yes mclovin mack jones. Just throw like forty or passes all the time they bomb it downfield. But it's like a tight pass. But i i can throw a ball forty yards down. Field mclovin right. That's what i'm saying. But it's not like it has. He's a dink and done quarterback. I throw it twenty yards into a tight window. Can i throw my wide receiver open like. That's that's what i want to know. And i don't know if to can do that right now. He just he doesn't seem to have a physical presence and it became a little more obvious. I think in the nfl. Maybe you get a new offensive. Coordinator chan gailey that changes things. I still have ryan fitzpatrick and ryan. Fitzpatrick can still play at a high level. Not consistently but at a high level. This is a team that has been built strategically and now the next step is you. You have to make the playoffs like you have to make the playoffs or it's been a disappointment. Well let me get some phone calls in here Brian in california. Hey brian what's on your mind today. Good morning and happy new boys. You're doing a job My i. I'm a steeler fan. Of course all old school I remember talking to you about your sixty seven corvette longtime ago. That shows back how old i am. Yeah my steelers. I feel like this year. I mean we've been nobody week right. Titans got cold with the other team. the other team got code. That postponed dennis. Do you think this could happen again. Now they post. I don't think they can. Brian and thank you for the phone call but i did wonder about that yesterday because the steelers you know got jockeyed around here. No other team was affected more by not having covert than the pittsburgh steelers in dealing with covert. But i can't imagine. I have not heard anything. Todd did you hear back from mike florio on not just yet. Did you forget to send him any sentiment. Swear i swear okay. Pinky swear i pinky swear polling check with flora and see if he got an email. I think for instance. He was used more vague terms. I believe that so he would say if he didn't want you. I'm pretty sure. It was in the process of sending the email right now i had intended to. I wasn't sure you you do have some standard phrase in a way that could be a witness or if i for the have you reached out the commission office i was just about to. Yeah that means no. I'm going to keep surveying now. He does a great job smart and he does a great job. he's he's very loyal does a great job new best friend. You guys still out after work. Now that we're all back against just gonna if he started lifting again. I'd be a spotter. He did say that. Like i'd stand right over him. He's doing the bench press. I get a little closer than i should wear this. Peter king shorts. I would wear those really tight. Shorts asked you if you want to the lady and the tramp bar where we kind of both nibble on gentlemen meet in the middle. I wasn't something you're no. I had todd pick out the menu for friday. It's a surprise. But i'd todd. We're gonna do mac and cheese and many hotdogs Thailand california kyle happy new year. Welcome back what's going on noise I could've sworn i just heard you say cam could make forty to fifty million with incentives. I mean did anybody watching this year. He could not complete a yard. Pass eight yards downfield. For god's sake. I mean i gotta chuckle when mclovin said i mean. Did you see him week. Seventeen the our just wonder why it didn't work for an nfl team. I guess that's why it makes more sense now And by the way lebron last night couple of sweet fadeaways like there's first place cruise and have a good day guys. Thank you thank you. Kyle brings it up like we're surprised like lebron couple. Sweet little fadeaways there now. I watched. I can't get jobs up yet. I've had like knicks fans are going. Hey i've been talking about the knicks. Now wall like how they play. Twenty twenty five games than i can see if the knicks are any good. Yeah i'm sorry. Wake me up in game. Five of the finals for the lakers. They're they're the spurs the spurs. I'm day are so expected to be excellent. there's you guys find them interesting to watch. I can't because of that well with the new personnel. I'm interested if it was the same rosters last year. No but i. But i this is the time to explore new teams. You know my my charlotte hornets watching the pelicans a little bit more. Watching sacramento with the drama unfolding there with the kings portland gonna show what they can really be. Golden state was steph curry. The nuggets still waiting by the way. The heat are still knocking on the door with rockets. Because i have a source. I said Kinda quiet goes probably not anymore. I go why goes looks like Maybe they're kind of throwing some guys together again. Draft picks salaries the gotta match. Duncan robinson tyler. Herro they're still looking at james harden whether it's true or not there have been other reports on this but i thought they'd backed away from it. You haven't heard much. I haven't heard much but when it's quiet that's when i start to wonder starting to wonder. Yep i wash. Tim rules nuggets last night. I think i just hit the i roll. I roll over to get a receipt. And i sat on the next thing. You know. i'm watching. Ricky rubio co for two in one anthony edwards the first pick of the draft. He hit his head on the backboard last night on a dunk. I don't know if he's good. Although i don't know if that's good or not he can shoot a lot like he has a lot of energy to shoot but they don't go in. It's early it's early it's early. It's early as anybody else. been watching. lamelo ball yes. Mclovin highlight on social media of lamelo. Ball make it behind the back behind the back pass. It was like sixty yards and a layup. And i i was like wow i gotta show this today i would i get back. It was pretty. But i have no idea if he's good. He's good youtube player. Good clip player. Yeah but i. He sees fun to watch. You know my big concern. Is he not good enough to start for the hornets. That concerns me or the hornets are so good. Data is hornets. That my hornets. No i only watch for lamelo. Yes i have the process of getting the messages. From mr mike. Floyd we wanted to say how about we save saint. Yeah is it a tease -able item these giving it on what the league may do the browns. Don let me try it again. Is it time facts. The rest of the weekend yes. Oc timing that might just happened to get back to you during this was interesting. Wow tim and email and gave him some time to get back recently. Hasn't been what we think is a comfortable time for us to get a respond funding fault and now he responded to follow. I did send a follow up. Because i sent them an email because i always harassing them with tex. I sent them an email gave him about an hour. Since you brought it up. I texted him. And he's you gotta check. I'm not gonna put my hands at. Todd's computer i think is by being around. Yeah just so happened to get back in three minutes. It's right after i asked for. That's something docker coincidence could call the winky dink. There's no way that email. Wow i think you forgot you really you guys at this point and i need to fold you. The email at stamped ten. Oh five like a minute. After your estimator we thank yes correct answers yes okay well just went through and i deleted it already so i'd scancen. We'll take a break take a break here. Twenty one after the hour here on the dan. Patrick show you wanna make sure you're keeping your home and your family safe right and there's all kinds of bad things out there. Firebreak in flooding medical emergency simplisafe. Home security is award-winning twenty. Four seven protection. And i always tell you this. Every time i get ready to tell about simply safe i go where do i start and can i get everything in sixty seconds because you set it up yourself you order online and comes right to your house. 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Dot com in rappaport reporting michael. thomas Is expected to be practicing and perhaps ready for the bears yes. I saw one questionable devon white the linebacker for the box. I think devon white is great but hopefully washington. It'll be so banged up that they won't need them if washington can generate enough offense. I think you're going to have to have twenty four points. It feels like to win that game against tampa bay and i. I just don't know if they have enough offense there. I think the defense can keep them in the game with brady. Because as we've seen you know you have a front four. That's going to put pressure if you don't have to bring linebackers or safeties or you know defensive backs neck coverage there then brady is going to have problems with that but if you if you can't put the pressure on him then expect tom brady to be tom brady by the way. Today is the anniversary. Two thousand two michael strahan sacked brett farve to break the single season sack record sacked is in quotations. Their air quotes. Because that's where bret basically gift wrap the single season sack record for michael strahan. He sort of just went over to where michael was and then fell down. And then got up to congratulate like quarterbacks. Don't congratulate a defensive player. Basically hugged him grants well. The giants teammates were hugging far. They were you know fully the entire and afterwards and the commentators didn't critique far or strahan or any of it in the moment and you really can't find right around there too much criticism of it. 'cause strahan was a really popular player also as far. Yeah and so. Some people jabbed at little bit most people. How do you think that play today. But wasn't troy aikman on the call which trae aikman was he with moose. Johnston on the call guessing. I don't have that much of a problem. Actually with what brett farve did because like there was really no where he could go the like right tackle or whoever who just let stray hand sort of laid right by them. That's the dude who let it happen. But he didn't get congratulated by the giants right. Yeah the he got a thousand dollars from them. I think maybe got an autographed jersey. But as swap i joe judge would not put up with that over time. What earned every bit of it. You didn't deserve that record. He's gonna give it back. I thought troy aikman was on the call net game. I think aikman stockton in moose ready. Okay yeah dick stockton yes. That's yeah that's one of those things where you know you gotta be tough to critique that type of thing because it was days yeah be different. Yeah we would be all over this. It would be an all day topic. Let's say someone did it for. What pretty popular player to strahan and it was like i would do it even play football whatever we say. Jj watt jj. Bear or packer. Next year i think packer but his wife. This is why plays in chicago Bears out I don't know if i could well. It's a long way off there. But i think he's days in houston are number. Okay so we find out if todd actually sent an email or a text to mike florio asking the question. What was the question todd. The question was is their contingency plans if things continue to go sideways with the browns. Are they playing this game. Sunday night against the steelers. No matter what okay are they gonna reschedule it. If so when would they rescheduled and my clear up to us. And if you guys are ready. I will share what he sent me now. This is the first email you send or the email at ten. Oh five which may or may not have been doctored but if you take my word for it said wait you doctor too. I wouldn't be able to. Bali know how to check my email. Okay the. It guy in the back has tricks to make would not do that. He would know he's got integrity. I sent the follow text after you guys accused me of not said they don't at and immediately got note back from mike and he says they're playing the game unless there's uncontained outbreak. They say there isn't. The question is whether the nfl pa. Some point disputes. That no idea what. I would do to post as far as postponing the game by a week by day or to forfeit. No idea they wanted to get the games in even if the water boy is the head coach. And the punters the quarterback so your email. But i've been slammed all you just added that screen are you okay. You're running out of breath there. I did. I got a little for klemperer. I no. I don't. I don't like guys who are breathy excited. Are you sure we'll know todd. I was trying to be sexy being out of shape in san says to you. You run out of air but you keep talking. I do and i tend to repeat myself. And then i said sounds like my mic is break passing. Let me get off todd for a moment here okay. Why don't you guys layoff todd. Okay literally ended the segment because we still have another full segment after. Let's go to anthony in florida. Hey anthony what's on your mind today. Going down anthony. Hey i'm the one. I'm a mailman. So december is kind kinda busy for me. that's why i didn't call in during december but on the one that had with Todd for a part of the face to the washington football team making the playoffs. When did you learn. Did you make that bet. And what it was right at. The beginning of the year is the same day. The guy called about the oakland Las vegas raiders. So estimate yes. I was right after him and It was at the washington. Football team would make the playoffs news with todd for positive face. Todd you somehow forgot that. I had a very sean mcvay recollection about. But if that's the case i'll take his word for it and if it requires a of the face does i'm not gonna hide from that and we'll do what we need to anthony What kind of pie. And when would you like for us to plans is there. Is there a chance it could be done tomorrow off tomorrow. I think topic the pie. Whatever probably anthony. We will We'll give you a heads up. We'll try to get the backroom guys. Maybe they could pull something together but Thank you anthony. And congratulations on That's that's a pretty good bet. There that he's a cap li- lot doug peterson. So now you have a problem with doug house except fell. You coulda pulled it out at the Nate said felt. What kind of pie do you want. you know. i don't think it's messy messy. But i'll end up eating some of the pie. That doesn't fall. How 'bout you you make it now. You have to make the pie and then we All either you can pick somebody to smash in the face or you can do it to yourself. No chat to be able to make a pie successfully. I think you could you. I got a kitchen. That blueberry pie with whipped cream or something like all right. Well you know what. I'll see if maybe tyler the creator. Areo one of the backroom guys. how about the. We'll film the making of the blueberry pie house on. I'll be interesting so tomorrow dress accordingly. Because today you are dressed up. I did a little draft. Yeah you look very nice. Usually a little just throwing on that. Bronco jersey sweats. When i just felt like a parent teacher governing like job interview job interview could stop right in bristol back home. Elway jersey with parent teacher conference lebatardshow. Yeah he doesn't usually have good guests on. So maybe we'll chat. Lebatardshow reached out. So i told him i said Let me know when you you're able to come on the show. We'd love to have young. Yeah paulie one of my favorite fritzy outfit moments. We're at the pairing party at pebble beach. Where all the golfers and celebrities there. It's really hard to get into an our our management goddess in. And we walk in. We're all wearing kind of goldfish pebble beach clothes. Or whatever you there and todd walks in in a like a a a blazer tweeden blazer and pants and a tie and and then the actor. Chris o'donnell very famous actor. Chris o'donnell walks in with the exact same outfit is hot and we both look like substitute teachers or like undercover cops. I thought you look nice. I appreciate it. Didn't quite fit. The core of what was going on in that location Jesse in los angeles suggest. What's on your mind. Good morning thank you for taking my call and it's hey guys it's it's great to have you in. The boys fully assembled them back I have a question about the packers before. I had to say that i listened to the black. And that's really great stuff. It's like a second okay soul So thank you for that. But i had music itemise a recommendation for human return. And you've probably heard of him He's from the white stripes. Jack white his solo. I gave it a real listen. He played on. Snl recently with bill burr and his two performances on snl pretty mind blowing. So if you're upward give those elicit yeah i did. I saw performance. I didn't watch saturday. Night live but i watched those performances. I watched the clips there. So My question about the passion is easy. Their record of thirteen and three. This year is more than an indicative as team they are in can be posted last year when it was thirteen and three and i think we all knew there would be loss in the run game. Well they don't have to go to san francisco. I think that that helps. Jesse you have home field advantage. So i think that Thanks for the call Thirteen in three. It'll it'll feel a little bit better. I think this postseason just because you had that number one seat overall you know going on the road and playing san francisco in look. San francisco was built to beat you. That run game. You don't throw many passes and just control the clock and that's exactly what they did but it feels a green bay. Didn't sneak up on anybody this year. I don't think. I don't think the nfc was great. But you know green bay didn't and they want some big games but but when you had that tampa game that's when people i think jumped off the bandwagon. They're like oh these. These guys didn't learn anything. They're flawed and you know beating tennessee shutting down derrick henry and you know i think that they they stepped up because i thought they were ten in sixteen last year they played like ten in sixteen and then they got exposed by san francisco but this year. If you say they're going to the super bowl. I would not be surprised at all. I have a bunch of different. Nfl quarterback ranking lists from. I've got aaron rodgers at nine. I hate those. What was it was the common riff on aaron rodgers that he was declining. That was an all this summer. I could find you half a dozen list. That have aaron rodgers. Not in the top five quarterbacks in the league from from reputable people. I'm talking august. Yeah i don't. I don't know why it they could just felt like the nfl world. Turn completely on aaron rodgers that he's somehow forgot to play and that he wasn't a good teammate. We heard that he's not coach. -able he changes. Plays at the line of scrimmage now. Are those things still true. Because i haven't heard anybody say anything. Last i look rogers is the same guy. But is he changing plays skirmishes he defying his coaches e. A selfish player is he not a good teammate. I so i. I don't know what still true. Unc it's a pretty solid response to his team. Drafting a quarterback and no one to really help them. Aaron rodgers. that's that's that's a hell of a year to put up an mvp sees when the talk going into it was wo. Oh what they do that. And i still don't know why did it. And if i said to green bay you can do a do over. Would they still take jordan love. Because he's going to be sitting on the bench at least next year so at least next year macleod. But you can't say they have to take a wide receiver. They had the best passing offense in the nfl. They clearly didn't need a wide receiver. Well when's the last time a quarterback said hold on we got too many wide receivers here right. It obviously didn't make didn't hurt them. How about this. How about how about somebody who actually would get on the field to help you this year. How about any position. Yeah like alignment. Yeah just just anybody who have helped you. I'll take it linebacker. i'll take a nickelback. I this somebody who's going to get on the field to help you jordan. Love is not getting on the field anytime soon unless something happens. Aaron rodgers physically. But so you a guy who's not gonna help you and aaron rodgers is going to be. Mvp this year. Thanks for listening to the dan. 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Jopseh leads takes a look at old timing jobs that were common back in the day like switchboard operators or stone eater or knocker operas and now that's probably what you think it is checkout jobs elites dropping january fourteenth on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast. I love the first. Two seasons cobra kai season three. I think i'm three episodes in I don't know. I don't know i gotta put my rally hat on here you know. I like ralph. I think he's done a great job in bringing that back to life but season three just not grabbing me. Mcclellan the end of episode nine. You're going to be show fired up. You're going to start running the streets looking for karate. Fight really bomb aiming but by the way in your high school. That'd be looking for a doj not toronto pied. Did people settle things with karate in your high school because that never happened my high school but it seems to be a big deal these schools. No i don't remember. I think it usually It ended with one punch izzy. That was about it because you didn't have. These orchestrated west side story. But it's karate whether this synchronicity bodies flying all over the place but it's usually just one punch apple. Did you guys have a guy in your grade school or high school that you just wanna mess with the whole town knew. That's the last guy in town. You wanna fight and you do still remember his name. Most people have them. Yeah yeah there. Were a couple that but i was a jock. So you know i just they they sort of let me left me alone as long as you don't infringe on their territory. Steelers cigarettes are still there girl. And i wasn't gonna do either and they had a car and i had a bike so it's i wasn't on a level playing field. Yes mclovin my first day of high school day one. Some football player comes up. Picks me out of the freshman tables. Come with me. I have to walk across freshman puts me in front of the three meanest schools. Three means kids in the whole school. I remember their names. Tom higher andrei opoku blazer all about six five three hundred pounds star. They made me take up there as one of them pushed a catch up my nose day one and they were so scared that i wasn't even like should i fall back. There was no question. I should not have back. We had a big thing where the seniors would depends the freshman that you guys have that cher gay got pants. Yeah and then they would take your pants and then running up the flagpole and do things like that could all day yeah. Did you get so you get bullied at all even as a freshman because you were good basketball. They tried to you know. Hance me but i don't remember getting bullied. I saw it. But i remember getting bullet point. I did a little bit as a freshman. I think having an older sister help me but there was a kid who's a pretty good football player when the freshmen in highschool he tripped me with the lunch tray. The classic you know. I went all over like a yard sale thirty years later. He's emailing me for bears. Tickets there on the defensive bears tickets. You're the guy. Put my face into mashed potatoes. I might have been an eighth grade. Maybe maybe eighth grade freshman year. And i remember there was a guy i think his name was ken fennel and he told me not to leave my house or he was going to beat me up. I spent the entire summer at my house because this girl liked me but he liked the girl and he he would ride up and down my street on his bike at one of those mustang Seat bikes as banana seat bikes. And he said if. Leave your house. I'm going to beat you up rough summer. Yeah was my mom and daddy go out and play. Come on i go now. I'll stay around the house and help you mom. Yeah i never saw him. I don't know what happened after that. But i just know that he was he just ride up and down the street and if he's still there still the cowboys still on his bike. He's sixty years old. Well i'm sure the girls still likes me to let me see jerry and arizona's been holding jerry. What's on your mind today. Oh hey dad. I was just called in to add to your movie actor list of nfl players. Okay brian bosworth. Oh yeah boss has done a pretty good job there. Actor awesome nnamdi asomugha. Yeah he's He's kind of tv show. Now he was doing broadway. Thank you jerry. Yeah nom diaz samoa. Who's married to mrs asamoah. No famous famous actress. She was on the globe. Wow carry watching. Yeah carry there you go. Yeah nominee asamoah the former defensive back. He's married deuba carry and then he's on a new tv show. And i think he was doing some on broadway and then brian bosworth did did he do. Stone cold is a biker. Gang infiltrate the biker gang. And now he doing the dr pepper college football stuff. I liked baas character. He got caught up and being too much of a character but whenever we had him on. I liked him. Just can't help. But think of bo. Jackson when you think worth yeah and didn't go well i let's go around the room. What we learned on the program mclovin final results of the poll question. Who's in the most trouble this weekend. Everyone says cleveland right away over washington and the rams todd would you learn today. Perhaps i should have given you a little more love. For sean mcvay gone. Jared goff status seattle mc. Vague was pretty good when he was making the moment. I don't know why. Maybe there's no jealousy i should have given you more. I don't know why like we're friends with silly came up. If you ever came up with one. I'd i'd be like that was awesome. Taunt your your supportive of van. I did return the. It's not nice when on my permit club. And what did you learn today workable. That started call. I know he said that was workable. Sean working that's like the new efforting is workable. Don't ever question todd's email integrity ever qualley. Todd dressed up today all our tom. 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EP 79 - Glen "Big Baby" Davis (NBA & BIG3 Champion) + THE ECONOMY ISN'T GETTING BETTER FOR A LITTLE BIT/BASEBALL CARDS GOING CRAZY/EXCLUSIVE DROP INFO

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EP 79 - Glen "Big Baby" Davis (NBA & BIG3 Champion) + THE ECONOMY ISN'T GETTING BETTER FOR A LITTLE BIT/BASEBALL CARDS GOING CRAZY/EXCLUSIVE DROP INFO

"The motive the goes crazy awesome make plans to Boston can be done on this credit on his podcast was good. You listen to a brand new episode behind the ball. Podcast I am Your Host Ben Baller Aka the Korean John Cusak deathly nat the Korean Jonquiere though episode. Seventy nine bitch. I hope everyone is doing well out there or at least I hope they're doing the best that they can be at this point right. I know we're opening up a lot of areas. We're going to face to and also the bullshit I don't know what the fuck the terminology exactly means. But I know that we are starting opened up and I know that there's going to be a lot more cases and the next few weeks is going to be interesting. I am going to be staying home right. Go out to get food. I go out to get groceries and things and we'll get into more that and a little bit but I know a lot of people right now are truly feeling it and I said this months ago and the thing that you know. I'm going to be the glass. Half full glass half empty right now. I'm going to be that dude who's WHO's looking at it half full because I gotTa tell people when I- anywhere near Dyke I don't even think honestly I think we're still in the beginning stages of everyone feeling this economic shit where people like Yo. I'm sorry people are getting arrested. Getting cited in Shit and Judges are given fucking sentences out for opening their businesses. And everything and people are like you. is it wrong to feed. Our kids is wrong to be. You know I'm not being selfish INAU. I'm starving and and boom and it's deeper than that. Can people sick and fucking up the health system right and I just noticed I get sidetracked so fucking much right but look. The economy isn't going to get better for a little bit. I uh shunned this. Shut down for a minute fucked a lot of things up and you just have to as fucked up. It sounds you gotta suck it up. You know there's nobody you can blame right. Trump also blamed China and everything else and I wanNA blame on the fucking trump and speaking of trump. You know I find out that people that I follow. I'm more than an acquaintance with people that I know and the way the Internet is not really awkward to meet somebody on the Internet right. I met my wife on facebook right and we had met before she said. I don't remember but going what I'm getting at is I see people who defend trump and look at the end of the day whether you see it one way or the other their science and there's math right and I say this all the time there's no way plus we will not equal six. It has to because that's what math is right so again when Donald Trump and there's a metaphor when he says three plus three equals know a defend them. Say will actually. Does you know if you do this. In Roman times and Blah Blah. Whatever and in the fucking. You know the the Verizon Five G. Blow whatever it's like no motherfucker know and so with the coherent mind a clear mind and had. How do you still backed as do why? And I've no you know I've said this I think I have. I have no loyalty towards Democrats or Republicans or independents or whatever the fuck it is. It's like who's best for this jump on right 'cause 'cause I'm conservative and I'm also. I'm not really conservative. But at the same time like I'm just so many different things you can't I can't pick one right. I fucked with Obama. Heavy anyways dish. It is just to be crazy. Does nobody. You can blame that you can do about it so I just look man. I'm going to get into the whole Kobe. Talk right it is what it is. My factory has just opened up and I do have things to get get pop down there and I. I'm figured out what I do but I'm not an immediate rush. I know that Jay Bobbin right now is going to start if someone tells them factories open he's going to start blow my phone up and ask him what Fox born on on the whole other spectrum. I got someone like Jack. Who's dropped a bag? And he has no idea what he's going to change and I don't think he's even bothered. He's fucking texted me in months. Which is like fucking best clients in the world going on Look we have become super reliant on Wi fi I where in a really really just unique time in life obviously. I can't express enough how much we've never seen. This should happen before right. The World Shutdown. Whatever and the whole you know thing with the virus and it's crazy and again. I can't explain to you how different is and literally dealing with kid gloves right dealing with the virus with kid gloves because my son has situation he has with that. Said not just me. Not just you everyone right. Everyone listened. How you listen to this PODCAST K. You are reliant to streaming data you no Wifi and it's so crazy that you could call it a drug because if you don't have wi fi and you're somewhere you don't really have like service. Imagine how fucked up. You're GONNA feel right. Some people are fuck. I'll read a book everything else. Look man when you got kids. You've a business. That's reliant on Wi fi and everything else did. She could hold you hostage to you. Know this is a really fucking crazy thing in a certain way with what I do in my life. If they were the raise raise the price wife. I wouldn't say Shit as long. It was much more reliable and with that. Said I've had a fucking terrible week and the reason why my week has been so shitty has been because my wife. I started trip about a week ago and I could not fuck and figure it out the life of me I I don't know if you guys know this but I'm running a Mesh Wifi system in my house right Google and it's been the best thing I've ever used in my entire life. I've had wi fi since being a fucking times started and I heard a Mesh Wifi. I don't know you know but think about it. You know you have extenders. You have routers if things like that. Those things were there. Okay but when you're talking about you WANNA have like you WANNA stream over two hundred fifty. Mvp over one hundred PBS. All over the house might have where the fuck you are by the pool in the fucking basement in the roof. Where the fuck you are? You want to have consistency and with Mesh Wifi. That's what allows you to do these primary points. He's WIFI points. They speak to each other. Be like a cloud and it's just fucking ten times more convenient. It's amazing and for some reason the Shit Star trip and so I sit today since the last podcast in fact even like after episode seventy seven I have spent just over nine hours talking to Google Techs and maybe about three hours talking to spectrum trying to figure this shit out right. I'm thinking to put in a five G. tied up in this bitch. Finally I after all this shit this dude whose name is. Aj Works for spectrum for tech support. He gets investigating any found out the real issue and I came. Explain to how many fucking calls. I've had that when I talked to this guy finally I had like a ten minute fucking intro to my conversation and let them know how serious this shit is. Because every day it's something and no one can figure it out. Google was one thing that thought. It was a firewall blocking the Modem. So they couldn't speak to the clown also the ship and those drive me crazy while driving me crazy because my son's health care is connected to. Wi Fi his primary everything. You could think of okay. My kids. Zoom classes are connected Wifi. They went off Monday. Tuesday and Wednesday. They dropped came fucking tell you how that is because they have classes at different times. So you know it's a fucked up situation and obviously me doing i. I went on a Daniel instagram. Live show and I had to find a place in the house because I don't have great wife Sailor Service you know where I'm at my neighborhood and You've got the two bars some streaming from my fucking sell and it's just like do. This is fucked up so angry. Monday and Tuesday were probably my worst. I was ready to fucking I was at my wit's end I was going to kill somebody. We dropped already ready to fucking kill everyone Tuesday same thing now. I thought I'd fix the problem. I'd like change the DNS server is also the ship volleyball would ever and I thought fix that Tuesday night and come find out Wednesday night. I didn't last night so anyways. Aj from New York at spectrum. Thank you very much You the fucking man and going on. Everything is connected. I have forty five devices in my home connected to the Wifi right. I have a a shared Wifi and then and then I have you know the guest Wi fi and I connect my kids phones to families up to where on Google. You can kind of you know. Shut their Internet off and you could also them from looking at certain things you could allow certain streaming and you know both my kids stream games. They play minecraft. The play roadblocks shit. But it got me thinking about school and it was crazy because I was taking a nap yesterday. And I'm just being transparent. This is my life you know. This is real I was asleep and Kikuchi. Caught me at a nowhere and cutty will just do that. Just random is fuck densely alarm clock on and I woke up to a call from an appeal was good. He's like you'll you sleep now magnum. Yeah I was just. I just woke up. And he's like a doubt. Wake you up and like you actually did. And he's mad about it and I'm like no I'm not mad. I'm I'm never married when Scott calls right and I told them what was going on. You're everything cool which was just always checking on on mental health and everything and make sure all right and I had a rough week last week. And He's good we'll stop told going on and he got the thing because he has a kid too right. You know. I don't know if you know Cucuta as a kid and so That's crazy right Kid as a kid. So He's thinking about the inner city parts of Cleveland and even schools he went to and he's like wasting how the fuck this public school system work. 'cause your kids are in private or I'm like yeah. My kids in private you know and we pay bangles is is expensive and he saying soap. What about the public school system and I brought you? GotTa have somebody else. I don't know how that works. And he's like there's no way everyone has computers and I'm like fuck him computers. You need have a camera. Zoom classes. You need to have a camera on your computer or an IPAD which I'm not ipads could they do but not most kids have the IPAD or at the tablets that type fast enough right to have the zoom to tie what the fuck it is. But you'd have to have something sophisticated like that and where the issue came in to stream. You'd have to have a certain amount of WIFI right. And I got into secession with cutting you cut. He's like I don't think every kid got Wifi and I'm like I don't think so either. That's definitely you know. Definitely not something. I think that is just out there like that but anyways fucked up situation house kind of bummed out about it and I was like damn you know Look I said this in an interview recently and You know people expectations right and I read this book. I read a part of it Phil Jackson's book and Is after he went all the fucking championships and he put this quote was. Don't have any expectations. It'd be disappointed now. Look I don't care if people are doing less you know not doing as well as me. They have less than me if people aren't doing good in life or whatever it may be look that's them. I have certain expectations from me. I want better in life overall. There's a certain level of life I like to live and if I'm not living that I need to go do whatever the fuck I have to do to get to that point in life and that's just where I am every day whether it be two thousand ten thousand eight two thousand nine hundred ninety six two thousand twenty and with that said you know It sucks I would love to help other. People can't help but everybody but I will help people out. I always have been a helper and it's got to figure out that shit on what the fuck five Jesus five supposed to be better than. I can't imagine five G. being faster than a gigabyte one up one down thousand MBBS but anyway we're opening up. There's a big five. I know that I used to go to. And they're opening up this. It's something I I'm confused. It says curbside service so I'm asking is I'm confused like Chinese Swim Goggles. I actually need fifteen different kinds because I buy my kids goggles here. And there they lose the crackle and it's like all right and then yet I need those Those new balanced five seventies in the gray color. I couldn't fuck it. Imagine speak five has a million skews in their right but they're opening up and I don't know an offend Culkin's up. I think by the end of the month we might be. I don't know how that's GonNa work right with the distancing all this shit and that's about as much to talk about that Shit Right. This is just a fucked up situation and I don't. I don't really know but I did do. Daniel arsim show like I mentioned and he asked me some really good questions. I don't know if it's going to be stream. The stream must be really Paul my side because of how fucked up it was but he asked me some questions about you know art and things like that and he respects me in the thing about Daniel is that he has a very niche art right. It's abstract. He's a fucking. I don't know what's going on but I think if we opened up Daniel's head we'd find an apple two e. in there somewhere but the processor in there will be the current processor that you'd find the best Mac Book Sixteen inch right but yeah Dan fucking Dope Dude and thank you again Daniel. My life see my family's life from the Krona virus which you guys all know the story then fuck you but I want to mention that I am doing David. Meltzer's show David. Meltzer is a or Mel Meltzer. Yeah David Meltzer. Emeals E. T. E. R. This guy is an entrepreneur. He's exports agent. She has a podcast he crushes. It does do does the fuck man and If you guys know who Lee Steinberg is then you know that. This guy is one of the most brilliant amazing sport agents in the history of sports agents. And if you watched Jerry Maguire. That movie was based upon Lee Steinberg's life and David Meltaways Zeo Company. So anyways David asked me some questions on his show he is really good about not getting people on there too long. I could talk for hours and hours right but I was on there for maybe thirty minutes or so but it was a good show. He I'm alive and I said some great things he said so amazing to me to As far as what? He thought but Yemen Definitely check that out and push as it is Going on baseball cards are going fucking crazy right now. Period point blank. I everyone in the hobby right now and if you don't know the hobby is the baseball card collecting community okay. Baseball CARDS ARE GOING. Fucking crazy. Just so you know ever since I sold that crazy ass number thirty five thousand fucking Mike Truck. Hearts should have been going crazy with his top twenty project. I got something else. I'm cooking up with tops and I'm looking at cards and my each sold one thousand three hundred twenty four cards right. I totally forgot that it was the first card of the entire series when this is all said and done they'll be four hundred cards total in this series twenty players twenty artists right. My each real was number one so not only was a number one it was like the second or third lowest selling because it was the first one. No one. What the fucking expect right so. The car was nine hundred ninety five K. If you bought a ten pack they give you a discount. It's like twelve thirteen dollars. Whatever if you buy ten day encourage you to buy more whatever it is. Oh No I no. I don't really know the Hobby hot works but I'm just trying to understand a lot better now and if you bought it at twenty whatever it may be. I didn't follow the each year too long. Thank you to one of my followers. Who'S ACTUALLY IN SEATTLE WASHINGTON? I did buy my each artists. Proof from him and He sold me for a really good price. And I thank you for it because you are fucking a. g. for that but the crazy thing is the artist posts. We're going for nine dollars on the first couple of sets right now. The artists for one nine nine only twenty in my complaint was there should be one hundred twenty s ridiculous the bottom and they just sell so fucking fast fucked up so with that said I just checked each euro yesterday and my my regular motherfucking Ichiro Card. Hit four hundred fucking dollars and now some of these cards are going for fifty three hundred four hundred bucks and I'm like Yo. This should hit twenty times its value and I told people go up Frank Thomas. Two three days ago was going for thirty bucks all day long to just start it now. The cars going for seventy five and it's gonNA keep going up. My trout is people are like arts. Fucked up whatever I trust me I promise you just because I. It SUPER ICONIC card. I'M GONNA how high the print one was. It's GONNA go up so with all that said you know I got some major. Schick went on the hobby. It's getting exciting. This top twenty twenty project. People glowing up Bama Blake to sold fucking. I think four or five thousand Ricky Henderson cards and my next card is Ricky Henderson. So you know I had to go to the town I did it. My boy Mr Fab had had a conversation with too short just to make sure I represent Oakland correctly. He I'm saying and Speaking of Oakland by the way my Rick Anderson car drops next week speaking of Oakland I just watched this netflix movie. Called all day in a night and Fuck I forgot the fucking dude's name man but he was a moonlight and then he played the kid like low knucklehead in equalizer partout and dues are really really bright. You Know Rising Star in this movie all tonight is like you know like a two thousand twenty minutes to society kind of but is based in the town pace in Oakland in current time and who already knows one of my favorite actors of all time. Jeffrey Right Plays This Dude Dad. And it's just based in Oakland you don't you know. Dad's a fucking base head and and the Sun's trouble dealing drugs hustling and run around towns sideshows and Shit and everything and it's just craziness it's real in a super violent and it's really powerful and it was a good fucking movie so that's one movie that definitely suggests you guys watching but Back to baseball real quick. My Man Jack Peterson. She blessed me with a sick ass dodger. Blue custom players Rawlings glove size. WanNa give a shout. Ma Boy Jock Peterson he is the man and Look Magic this out. Since we're on the sports topic right now. I got big baby. Glenn Davis on the show today and You know some you who don't know if you don't know who big babies and it's really not like you have to be fucking sixteen year old right now. Listen to this if you're twenty one there's no reason few not to know who the fuck big babies especially if you if you watch sports and looked at sports and everything dude. WanNa a chip and everything else. He had some issues yet. Some struggles a real shit. It's a feel for dude you know everyone. Nba You gotta be fucking just to keep and stay on a team. It's fucking insane because each year. Think about it. There's all these players coming out of high school going to college then you got all the baddest motherfuckers in college right then. They're all going to get drafted in the NBA after the first round even the second round the NBA. It's like dummies guys. Really stick right and then those guys are they here in two three years most likely not out trying to play in the G. League in fucking play overseas whatever and Big Baby won a championship. He went to chip and he he went around and he had a little bit of a unfortunate situation combined with maybe slightly a little bit of hating and politics and things like that but anyway we got big baby Glenn on the show and Actually we get into some shit today. I'M GONNA wind you guys. I'm going to be honest with you guys. It starts off a little slow and I you know it's a strange time right now but Fuck this miles. You know what to do me with that Lake Lake and when you hear that Lakey Lake you already know what's going down to get an interview with Big Baby. Less motherfucking go news. You're tuned into behind the ball. We have another special guest former NBA star and world. Champion play with the Celtics. The magic the clippers also want to chip in the big three with power. Let's get into it. Glen Big Baby Davis was good. The deal was the deals and nothing man. Just chilling trying to survive in a corona man. Where you at right now currently right now located in Las Vegas. Oh you in Vegas when I saw the number Man Let's get right into it. Bro. What was it like growing up in Baton Rouge Louisiana man. It was crazy man like Were but a blessing at the same time you know In our group probably wanted aggressive parts of bad news on the in part carry gusts shown. And you know it was tough about a judge that a a poverty but It is what it is may got me to. Who I am today. gave me some good traits for survival. You know what I mean so so. Blessed occurs at the same time but banderas of the place. I'm not just yeah. Yeah Yeah So. When did you start playing basketball? Like for real when you start me like. Oh what did you like really you know. Pick up the game early on me. My my stepfather brace knees or assisted basketball world flaming men and just run up. You know with you know with the guide always be there. No help on the game you know. Yeah at what age was at. Albro you remember. I mean that was like four God four show for years old man started playing Bibo. Did you play any sports growing up or only basketball athletes sports growing up? I played baseball football on a football. Big Man Damn I mean. When did you realize when did you become anyone else? When you use towering over people you just like when did you realize that I was like my eighth grade year you know I was realizing how tall was you know that growing one point I will be set foot you know as I was a big do how tall you in eighth grade six months when he was growing up. Was there any other profession that you thought you might WanNa do? Besides basketball was anything you like aspire to do when you were younger WanNa rap. Oh Shit I never knew that. That's cool of thought I was rapper. Wants to go with. What what year were you in high school? Just get idea to two thousand and four. Oh Shit so yeah cash. Cash money was already out in Louisiana. Was doing their thing man. Okay I grew up as grope of the. Yeah Mash it while. I'm forty-seven so you know she was done with high school. You know fucking ninety one What was high school basketball like in Baton Rouge Louisiana Overall? It was cool. Bat was cool was super cool. Man was liked basketball. Was You Know Secondary Sport in Louisiana? Right you know because football agreed football. Lsu football yeah you know what I mean so be a part of that wave of just basketball way down in Louisiana. You know what I mean like winning the highest share pitcher on the college in plan for Lsu you know going the final four you know Bringing notoriety back to your sport you know since like Shack Newman. Yeah you know this. Is this going to be a part of something like that? You know as crazy as I met shack at Lsu. So he was up for. The job wouldn't award so that's when I met like like ninety three I played college. Basketball's I might university ever played crazy but Did you play against anybody in high school that you end up seeing college or the pros? Oh my God. What's Shaun Livingston Josh? Munis Dwight Howard Algebra since vast entail fair way said. Where's Dwayne? Ron Wasserman Landon. Oh Shit. Okay so he played against high. Okay that's crazy a and then you went to Lsu where you considering any other high of colleges like when you get out of high school when your crew will consider man lsu man. They took care of me so web for like the threat. Like not take visit like I could take visit. We're for real couldn't take visit. Bro. I BURN. You can't take visits with the high school on lsu campus. Oh Yeah so imagine that. Like imagine being. Yeah you mean top player. In the nation one of the top players in the nation in you go to school on a college campus. Like I remember Roy Williams is like I was like man. Roy Ewing sending me no letters. The net man. He's like you really WanNa come to North Carolina. Say Yeah will give me a lot. He was like I thought he was already go. Man Nobody will let you escape out of their shit. I mean I even went off fucking. I went on like five six recruiting ships. That you didn't go down. Not a one bro. Could that's I locked in our woods. But you know on the flip side. You were legit phenomenon. Lsu Bro like. I remember like you know I was. I don't really watch too much college now. I think you might have been the last era when I was watching college because it was like you know you're on sportscenter. And all that shit nationalist. The you're like a sensation rights. It was like what was it like being a college kid on national. Tv In bringing lsu back bringing a swag back like tell me man like fun man. Like I remember the first day like coast at the time John. Brady was my basketball coach at the time. Man at the my freshman year had a bit year Anna News. Like the keys yours man brandon bass had left Siddiqui's of yours. And you know to be a part of like you know away you know what I mean like. That's why was that big. We had shack pistol. Pete Bob Chris Jackson Yeah. We had a lot of guys but at the same time you know basketball is Kinda lost. Slow little bit as far as elite level. Final four type of caliber teens. You know what I mean to be. A part of that was great. You know what I mean in be from Louisiana into conflict that was even greater so blessed man. You know know hard work And see what it means other people. Yeah so like. Do you have like a memorable match up in college? Is Somebody you went to like on on a one on one or even a team this someone that member that just like faulk that team and Piss me off man you know that was a good fuck. Matchup is anything that sticks out of your head. We have to beat a final four man. If I can go back you know what I mean. You look at that team and see how that team was as far as the UCLA when we play them right. They were really. We're looking team not too big. You know what I'm saying for Mar a lot of guys on the Anna. Follow like they went to big but they were quick and they're well coached. I think you know we just got our coached that game so you go back to that game. He got damn. Mike was Tough. But like you know we could. We should have beat them. No Yeah I mean for the people who are listening. I got a lot of you know aspiring people who play in high school playing junior high. I have a really wide fan base right. Can you tell these people? What's it like playing March Madness? Like for real like really being out there playing. I sit on the bench now. Sitting in the stands was magical. Bra Is Measurable Bre. When I go back and think about you know attorney run you know and not being the favorite saying like the favorite in going out there being doing going out there and beat Texas town? You know what I mean. Those games like is why you play college basketball. Yeah you know what I'm saying. Yeah you look. You look at other players after they play. You know a march madness. You know you need a heart. Simmer are held their stop. You know what I mean. So it is so important in so many ways pallets as for just the essence of the game in one and done you know what I mean like this that type of feel being the champion those teams. You know what I mean. So it's like it has its advantages and As far as just you know basketball. No mortality I feel you know like I just know that the game is growing. You know what I mean and you know. Nc Aa you know has seen how important march man is in the things about. 'cause BASS are important. You know what I mean so in starting to do the right thing so like you see all this stuff happening in You know you see why is he? Relates feels like college basketball Yeah let me ask you something mass. Like I've talked to Floyd Mayweather. Mike Tyson basketball players coach. You know back in the day before the march madness the nit was actually the real championship back in the seventies and Shit and my coach play Virginia Tech Back then and they won the nit so my coach was a real. He's old school black. Hated me because I was Asian and ours always like I was? I was kind of lazy same time I was in gifted with. I'm six feet of the shortest doing the team. You know what I'm saying. And he always gives me a Lotta Shit but he always said something that was funny and I just bring it. This is the first time I've ever asked any athlete. Besides like I'm sorry any basketball football league. He always say don't be fucking during during playoffs. Don't bus doughnuts Matthew Buster nut fuck you up like during March madness did you. Were you having sex or you? Just now US focused. Keep a real stop. Playing ours is up the yeah QUESTION NO QUESTION. Sex Sex is different. The trump people like it relaxes me. It don't take energy out of me like it makes me relax. Made me feel calm lying. I ain't trip about the most you know if you've heard boxers when they talk. They say they can't have sex. Because it fucks up there like it makes them less aggressive. I Dunno MAGA'S FOR BOXING. Maybe is different. I mean Shit man assist so oh I would be really aggressive still by trump me now you aggressive as it is so you're seeing a year senior year but I'm saying you passed on your senior year at Lsu. What was the thought process on that like? Why did you decide to? I mean what was the real real real talk man? I fell out with my coach. John Brady fell out with it. You know what I mean like. I was even thinking about coming back my senior. Fuck you know what I mean because we had an opportunity with younger guys do some things your main I was even think but yeah man I fell out you know what I mean. He thought I had tore quad muscle. My leg in You thought I was faking what he thought I was. He thought I was faking. Not In united play the last rally two games or the season only game I play was tournament game. 'cause I came back injury right in Yeah and so when Arcane talk to us like you gotta go wasn't like Oh you know. I'M IS SEC MVP all American. You know a guy like me. Stand for years to help you you. Yeah Yeah like you know what I mean. So I mean he He he told me to leave and all right but at the same time I made it up to my mind. There was signed me to go 'cause after the accident my sophomore year. That's my sophomore. Years of being season went to the final four dead a similar a day so I did leave so you know. I was reading my junior year after that. So what do draft night right is two thousand seven. You know where were you you know? You're you're drafted second round by Seattle then traded with Ray Allen to the Celtics. Like where were you what was going through your head at that point bro Man Ours? Ours that Mentors House Washington Dryer? Wait wait wait wait man you know. I thought I was going to go first round thousand first round and it was tough. It was hard like you know what I mean. Like the thing you're supposed to be the first round didn't make now you know you hear stories about second rounders and not guaranteed contracts. You hear about that but as a competitors you embrace it so you know. I just embraced it in you. Install it worked out for me so check this out. May Your rookie year. Okay your rookie. Year team. Paul Pierce on Rondo Kevin Garnett Ray Allen Kendrick Perkins Tony Allen Samkah. Sell scallop brainy. You got head coach. Doc Rivers Right. What was that year like for you? You guys won sixty six fucking games you ended with the NBA championship against my La Lakers. Please tell me about that year. The good the bad the ugly. GimMe some stories dog please. Your rookie must have been crazy. It was a really crazy. It was magical at the same time. You know what I mean like. I got to see so much. You know I mean just you know this culture of just the Celtics Organization so crazy you know Magin. Ag Call Peers Rondo. Ray a young Rondo Ray Allen James Posey all these Eddie House like just all those different types of players flavors you know what I mean. That's why respect doc. So much is forced how he made it happen. You know what I mean to put those different types of players together. Make a you know. A certain recipe is awesome to see that you know what I mean. I got a chance to see how hard work pays off right. Ck G. working harder. I was at those games dog. So you know the LAKER Games. You know what I'm saying the finals I mean you're like so seeing him. Every day was crazy. You know what I mean. I got to see none you know I felt at times. I felt like we was the Beatles. You know what I mean every city. Yeah you know what I mean you see. So many different like people wins Crazy man and I was the rookie too. I was the rookie. So imagine being a rookie on a team and you gotTa Wake Up. Early in the morning will cagey Chidgey Progress WANNA powerade at five in the morning because they play cards Shit you dislike. That was fun like I embrace that a lot. Like anything you remember. During that season you rating with Kobe at all male. You know what it was just it was just best season in two thousand ten when they beat. Us ahead opportunity to play against him in compete in a game. Four when we won the game I had a big a robson jumped on my back. You know I think I earned his at the game. Yeah you know what I mean. He he notice what type of guy was not a man so now when you're a competitor Kobe. You know as a friend you know what I mean. He's in. I think you know him. Walking up to knee enormous name and really took time to talk to me was just awesome. You know tale is I got a chance to really like the apart. Kobe's license hints. You know saying like man. What's up big baby? How you doing like so it was good like Schill that you is like. He made me feel the same way. Jordan made me feel you know what I mean like? Not those guys are lessons in their knowledge respect. Your game's awesome UELMEN. I heard Michael reports podcast about an arm wrestling contests on a plane with you versus K. G. Can you tell me like man? I didn't WANNA hurt. Imagine he'd been rookie. I break his arm. The arm wrestling man win. You know what I mean like. I let him win but his aides have. I won't hurt those like that's all gas case. He kind of strong though he wires strong. Yeah he likes Super Skinny wiry but it was tell me man. Was there any other crazy stories that you haven't told on the on the Internet on news anything else you can think of during those days us so many come on man think of one member. I'm trying to think man we used at one time. Beat we was like the first team to win Texas Triangle. Or something right. It was like San Antonio in time. Dallas at the time USA was good at the time that year we won. We'd be all three of those teams in so at the end of the night. Legos of Vikings like came in a village one. Vikings had a war and we came as capture all the women. Oh my God. Game of Thrones Shit. Man is what I say. What coached even the coaches is. Not even say does crazy but that year because that's a crazy first of all back then you know like for a good ten years to win in the Triangle in Texas is crazy but like was hard hard. We Party so hard that I man. Mambro that playoff run in that playoff run and oh seven running back some of these tapes on Youtube Bright. And you guys went to seven games versus Atlanta seven versus Cleveland and Lebron six Detroit and then six against my Lakers like. What do you remember about that playoff process? We exhausted? Where like were you like? Did you know what I'm saying like? What do you remember during that whole process? A place was crazy. There's no we were locked in. Yeah we were locked you in on on Q. In another thing about time typical his mind status force defense. We were so locked in doc was just you know he's a offense of guru so it was. It was a good chemistry of just all round coaches players in automated. And you know Danny Aines at a great job Danny ainges commands member. He was a legend when he played at the Celtics. I'm I'm Albro so you know I remember that. What was the biggest difference between playing in Boston in Orlando in Los Angeles the Culture Wins? I didn't get a chance to play for the Lakers. I plays the clippers. One No wins on this. Yeah I know. Trust me so you know. It's the culture man winning culture. You know what I mean. The blast when series for the game of basketball right. Well let me ask you. Man decided your professional opinion. Who Do you think would a one? Nba Championship this year. Had we have fucking season else like end? It's man who have been in the Western Conference for shore. I think the championship game would have been clippers in Lakers finals. So who do you think would? It came out the clippers the Lakers. I think I don't know see. That's my thing today's date is somebody would've been planning to walk you a show. Yeah Yeah I think so too implant Milwaukee Milwaukee Toronto in the and eastern finals. Yeah I mean I think that just the way it was gone. If we didn't stop I think one of them caught injury. Some Shit Paul. I'm never really thinking about. Pg three during the playoffs. And I think we had a managed. Fuck man salted a whole season man. These next couple questions to kind of like in controversial. But I talk a Lotta Shit on my show and that's why it's been so successful and that's why I've been charting high and everything else but I gotta ask you. Because he's a personal friend of mine and his mom boy me and you've got into some shit you remember. We got into an argument. Let me ask you what the fuck was the beef between you and Austin rivers. I don't I don't get it like I was a guest on the show on Fox and they asked me a question about rivers is that he handled this team. Blake in you know de'andre in Jj you know The Right Way and I said no you know I think he was different coach Yeah we did have different players. You know what I mean but at the same time what he did with the Celtics. It's like he did do it with the clippers or Like he couldn't do it because we didn't have the same type of players in Salah commented about what he did was he goes on air and just a great and as a basketball player. You know what I mean like if like saying that I was late to meetings and you know what I mean like. That's like yes like. That's like fucking my character in a way. Because you're you're the coach's son you know what I'm saying but that is some snitch. Shit if that happened if he really did you don't do that. It did happen video. You never came to practice. He's late to practice all the time. Never knows the plays like. That's what he said. Dale and I'm like I play for Your Dad I'm one I'm wondering only rookies to ever play for your day to ever get other than Rondo. Yeah you know what I mean like on that teen naming a guy that's stuck like in the second round us a second round but you stuck on. The Celtics are championship Celtics team and got a chip by the way. Yeah yeah and play like you have me in the game like so. Are you going to see here and say that? Like played in crucial moments. Like don't do me like that. Yeah not I feel you know what I mean. 'cause like district father. Yeah you you you know what I mean. They've been knowing you all your years like you saying that. Shit like Oh yeah they showed the DOC said yes. You know what I mean. So so. That's the time when I was trying to get a job. Yeah Yeah not no. It's awesome friend of mine. We hang out we talk a Lotta Shit and you know. We got into a fight at a game. A Lakers clippers game. And this motherfucker. Almost got me kicked out the stadium and I was like Abra. Look check it out man. You needed fuck a relaxed. Like people know me here but now. I can't get into with an MBA. Talk a lot of Shit on the court. I'm seen courtside in the crazy. Part of this motherfucker Austin the one who gave me the tickets and we begin to fight and they're trying to kick me out the stadium now because arguing. I'm like I looked like. Are you fucking crazy? Probably what the but when I asked about the situation with you he didn't really WanNa talk too much about it in Austin. Been on my show before you know. He's he's pretty articulate when it comes to basketball in and the game and everything serious but he didn't want to say Shit. I'm like Bro. You better say something fucked because I defended you and now this will have to have smoking. Look for you. Know he didn't want to say because it was series than he knows how Iraq high roll like. You know what I mean like. I seen him yet. Yeah he he's apologized and said he was sorry that that's good. You know what I mean. So He's apologized he. Dmz apologized. But I just thought it was was fucked up. You know what I mean like and then coming from his position like everybody don't have the luxury of having a Dad. D- President like awesome wasn't planned. Well War on his way out trying to figure it out. His Dad gave him opportunity to play. You know what I mean. Yeah he's a great athlete. He could play the game. You know what I mean his dad his dad gave him something. A lot of these players are begging for opportunity. You got you know what I mean like. It wasn't like Oh you took it. You know what I mean like. Oh you you you took it from the next guy like oh. I took it because I deserved. You Know Your Dad knows you knows you deserve it so he let you in worked out gave you a whole but let me hold on. Let me ask you something talk. I'm not defending him like that. I just let you know this is your opinion. You a grown man. I'm a grown man. I got a real question for you if your dad was a coach of the New York Knicks and you was having a hard time getting a job and your dad gave you a job you played and you. You did not better than the bare minimum. What would you say if motherfuckers was like a man Seaman Glenn Man? He planned because his dad coach fucking new. I mean like I don't know like what would you do if he was in his position. Not Take advantage avow. Valves doing his physician. I can't help my father's but if you know Austin you know he's a fucking asshole straight up out one of I say you Nev- you know Austin he's a fucking ads all and that's my thing is just the fact that like if you're going to be asshole and N had this opportunity like that's crazy to me can be ASO in. You know what I mean. It feels some type of way like you. Can I guess I plead the fifth? I even go me. Awesome fucking Dick. He's a Dick I've been on since he was a baby. Play becoming around me for years. Yeah you man. We argue all the time Bro. He we argue a lot. We argue all Still my dog. It is what it is. It's just funny. I had to ask to bring it up now that it got this deeper we. Let's go onto the next thing. Go get too hot in this motherfucker but yeah so there's a photo of you and De'andre Jordan Amsterdam right and it looks like y'all smoking some from gas we smokey we crazy part is. It's smuggled for thirty years. No Shit I missed one. We for over thirty years of my life. It was frowned upon then. But it's obviously opened up now you see. Nba players talking about it. I've known about this shit because I've been friends with NBA player since the nineties. Did you smoke a lot during your career in the NBA are now or outage smoke during the year? Only only smoke. You know offseason okay. You animated yes and like for that like that pitcher itself as kind of like they got me smoking. You know what I mean. Got It in my hand. You know what I mean. I'm sitting at a cafe with twenty people of an answer. Dan and that right. There stopped me from getting a contract contract year that year and the only reason why the clippers resign these because I was with their players Washington than I was on a contract talks Washington Washington one assignment because of that dam. That photo really contributed to not you not playing in the league and really like man that that photo was the kind of the beginning because after my first year with the clippers in that happened I was on contract year. So the the clippers used that situation so low bomb faulkner. I'm sorry man so when they came back to the table. That was my last year with the clippers. They was like we'll give you a minimum deal like just give you minimum is we. Don't think you focus you smoking doing doing that. Like I'm like what saw went back to the clippers. That last year for a minimum deal didn't play the whole year. He has spent a halls plan in a great player. You know writing shooting big but at the same time he went getting it done. You know he don't play me the whole in the play offs you know what I mean and it was just like because he know who I am and he know what I'm capable of doing so it was. It was just dead last year. The clippers was tough. You know what I mean like dealing with docking being a part of this new. Jean was forced him being the president. Yeah I'm just you know. I love him as a coach. I I hate him as president on. You don't know what he's doing right. I don't get fuck out away main. I'm Lakers sauce going on to better things right. So you played in the in the big three u one the chip with Cotino Right Kohima Geddy Birdman and Was Coach by Nancy Lieberman What's it like to know? Ice Cube on a personal day to day level is cool man. You a good to see his zoo good to see him and just to see you know who he is in what. He's worth what he's done to this culture. You know what I mean so I love you. He's he's helped me last year. So many ways we should know is a great dude. I don't know if you know my background before I was big jeweler our big record executive vice president of priority records. You know we had mashed appear on our label. We did all his shit. We had a Jay Z. One of the one of the people to sign Jay Z. Ice Cube was that the artists that built NWF Q. Built party records right and in our work with Cuban and before that when I was in college and everything else high school I idolize. Ice Cube broke is one of the greatest specially to a certain point when he was really spending. That's like that real militia black power should he was killing it and it just you know you can fuck him in eighties and early nineties and it just like for him to do what he's doing with the big three is crazy. You know I'm like wow. This is really like you know when when it first started. I was like okay. Whatever but then I'm like Holy Shit this getting like big so you WANNA chip there to as dope man Let me ask well what what's next for you bro. What's what's next for big baby Right now man right now. Entertainment World Okay you know. I've done shameless acting. Further into camera by Doing production stuff behind the camera. I love doing Love Creating Creator as why. That's why I'm right now. So it's just it's just been a process you know what I made in also I wanna be in in TV hosting world so you know You know also podcast. You know my podcast. I'm GonNa get started going here in in couple of weeks you should man. Yeah Man I am and I'm GONNA I'm GonNa do it man. I really think the as far as a lot of people don't know how are taking Meridian. Iq or the game you know. Just my opinion Cheryl creative and when you start hearing. Somebody's people like just hearing Warren Sapp Talk Football even hearing you know fucking even Perkins right me and Kendrick got. We didn't like each other. We've got so many fights man. I can't even tell I fuck. Do he told me at a game. Okay see Laker game. He said Abo. I'm going back after the game. Right he was on fuck you up. I'M GONNA comeback here bitch have you fucking you you L. A. dot com colon homey. I grew up with crypt style. Robbed outside the fucking the locker room and you trip and we arguments shit but when I started to hear him talk about basketball and also like wow you know here. I am and this is such a terrible generation. I don't care how I looked at it about it but I was like man is big fucking Shit. He's really really articulate. I know you know about the game. You should have a podcast out there. I encourage you when I talked about my life. Experiences being the only Asian American hip hop back in fucking eighties nineties my sports career jeweler just interact with people. Just how ideal would be an entrepreneur. Look man this. Is the best time for you to jump in the PODCASTS. World is like the gold rush right now. You know what I think that I mean I'll be tuning in. You definitely want to check out what you've got to say so cove in nineteen right krona virus situation fucking everything up. What what are you doing right now? How you spend your quarantine move just known in my life right. I mean I do like affairs for winning the world over backup exercise at all or are you just. I mean yeah. I'm to getting ready. You know sneaking in June what you think man be honest. You think this is some conspiracy. You think it's a scam or you think that this should is really. I mean I have my opinion about it. I'm just curious what you think about this whole Kobe. Nineteenth man you know what man like is set a difference. I told me you know what I mean like. May is makes me think about you know just more. You know what I mean like the world's Hsieh's downing and I never WanNa being a situation where I am at bikes standstill. Yeah no cell is just like all this done is just making sure that I got everything. Focus you know. Upon and You know my thirsty for residual Income Mike. Guess just my. That's my mindset right because it is so you know I'm not really about the worry about the world I'm just trying to find waited in it. Be Successful in. Yeah sees in grow harvest the way I want him to be grown in you know? Have nobody tell me what to do. So I hear that as much focus as high Rhone night it's fucked up lot of. Shit. I've had some blessings come away to though you know. Know people out there really doing bad. But you know You'll brought us pretty much everything man I just wanted to before we end this. I wanted to say. Look man you know. I think a lot of people are guilty of trolling shit right. Even though I'm not you know if it's really something serious in a Ain't nothing been serious on the Internet for me like you know so unless you hate now my kids and my wife or something. I don't really say much. I just kinda yet my mouth so I wanted to tell you you know now the you on my show that I meant no malicious nothing. I was just talking Shit. You know what I mean. I'll fuck what you obviously who you are way before any of this shit had happened and it sucks that the situation was a serious one and I was joking about it so I apologize. I didn't intend it to be something like you know. Hurtful towards you we Talkin Shit so I appreciate you jumping on the show one of the things. I ask everybody who comes on my show and I don't even know how much you know about me or anything but is there anything you'd like to ask me before we get off this episode man Brian. You know I'm a big music in a I want to one day. Be In the music industry. Our biggest thing in society What advice would you have for a person that's shrine to be? Nfl Lane getting started. Never you get started. Starting the mindset. Okay check this out man. I realized that this has helped me a lot later in life and later in my career not look. I don't know if you I'm assuming you WANNA get into hip hop and rb and whatever it may be right and that's black music. Good right there. I really do think if you don't listen to any old school shit. What James Brown earth wind and fire anything old school? You gotta definitely know the history of music from even the Beatles. You know what I'm saying just like you said I mean I think you have to. I don't know what your tastes are. But as long as you have a well rounded Palette of music in you and you love music and you know that that's like the first and foremost the second which is really the first. You GotTa have an amazing. Business Attorney. You have to have a music attorney. Who has your back Glenn? I'm telling you right now from all the deals that I've done from Jay Z to Dr Jurado to everyone. If you don't have a good attorney on your on your side you're never gonna be able to accomplish it because you can do all this work and then not get paid the right way for you film. You GotTa make sure everything's in your best interest you give fair deals out and things like that so make sure you've got a good attorney side that's number two number three Brahmin understand the entire game. A book called everything you know about the record business. I would suggest you finish it from beginning to end at least two or three times it will give you much more insight so you understand all the language that's going on with the business and then from there once you have all the business shit handled you go out and have fun men in assist. Its business you let motherfuckers notice saying nothing personal. This is what did as a fine print. Here it ain't my fault you ain't read this. You know I want you to understand. Yeah Dot I'm just saying for instance you become executive. Ceo Record Label. And you bought somebody a car right but it's like. Hey man you ask for this car this is coming out your budget not mine motherfucker unit. Amelia we sell timmy records. And I'm just blessing you and there's certain things you just have to have a lot of knowledge. Don't jump in it because it's something you want to do for fun. It can be fun but also be a nightmare so you know the more I knew about the business side of the Music Business. The more powerful was and even still just was kind of a crazy business. But that's something. You WanNa do discourage not too. I'm just letting you know. Ask a friend of a friend who is a good music attorney that knows music contracts and things like that see if you could work with them on retainer put somebody on because you need a legal person start your your thing and have them in the background making sure they protecting you and then you know the best part. Is You know trying to find out that New Music? Then you know the next two and and you know all these artists. There's so many people out there. There's so much talent. It's just you got to go find them and put them in the right places. You know what I'm saying. Now man you welcome in and listen to everyone. How can they find you? Man on social media everything what are what are your social handles. Gb Baby Davis Brown. Your Park has nothing to be all my hygiene instagram. Some of the I G Dayrit is. That's big baby. Glenn Davis Right. Thank you for coming on the show your miles man though also Lakey Lake and we'll be right back with the shelves so yeah we're back man. I'm doing the show different today. You know right down my notes and I usually Kinda right down like real deep notes. Today I was like you know what I don't WanNa like get to into the script. I'm like let me just freestyle this bitch. I've been doing this shit for seventy nine episodes. I think no cap seventy episodes. I had a script in the show. Like boom right near these topics and going and fuck all this shit. Be going to a podcast. People do man. We've all freestyle this bitch. And it's just that's what it is but you know what man. I got appreciate. I gotta say say big shout out to boy Glyn You know big baby. Glenn Davis and You Know Obviously Austin rivers is Ma boy you know and I gotTa Say Something Austin Men Out. You know. We talk a lot. And he's GonNa randomly hit me up so I'm not even GONNA hit him I. I'm wait for him to hit me and maybe also listen to the show. Who fucking knows but you know I talked shit. It is what it is speaking of sports and staying on their I talked to Jack and Our Name. But you know man. We talk every day. So it's like John. Peterson hit me up. And he's like we're training soon. We're about to start. You know. Start Training with the dodgers he. He was actually training and He's telling me they're about to get like they're about to get it in like next month. Start getting serious. Oh who fucking knows? I don't know when opening day happens going. Be Exciting. You know Korean baseball started dash. It's pop in but I want to give you guys a little exclusive right this anywhere on the my instagram nowhere on my twitter I WanNa feel like I give you guys an exclusive. You Know News. I'll give you guys like you know. News Shit right so anyways I had a meeting over zoom with a network in the team right now. I have four more drops this okay. I don't give a fuck about resell value. I I want people to have a cool product. I wanted to have some fun. And Yeah it's cool so check this out man. I was supposed to drop at least five. Hundred Thousand Vacuum sealers on his last release because a cove and everything else about three hundred was the most you can get out and I think we start shipping real soon but you know krona virus fucked. La Things up with that set us. That's GonNa GonNa pop okay and now. My vacuum sealers going for thousand dollars on Stock X. on Ebay and everything else look fuck that I told you guys. There was a big chance. They're going to release them so I am. I don't know if I'm doing it next month Or if it's going to be you know like in a or yeah it would be like sometime in June. I think right. I'm going to release the gold vacuum sealers. I'm willing to put out another seven hundred. Might even put a thousand. I don't give a fuck. I want people to have him. If sixty thousand people are trying to get a vacuum sealers fuck up the value. No okay it's going to be fine but I'm dropping that but this is where the real exclusive information comes. I am dropping a Ben. Bala did the chain gold scale. I A one kilo gram go to a kilo on his bitch. A Gold scale. Please believe everything that I'm dropping. I have one for myself that I use and actually have because I use a gallon of regular basis right. I saw gold. Fuck you thank right. Don't use it for my weed shit but you know and that's another topic we're going to have but I am dropping a gold scale. I am thinking sometime by September Abu Dropping at gold scale and then I got two more things dropping. I can't give you guys I info right now. That's just too much for this motherfucking episode for the people who won We're not shipping these yet. I haven't gotten mine yet to give away once I get them. You know I know my boy Nelson fucking take care of him. This motherfucker sent me the illest and ninety five mask ever seen my life. Some guys is a job shop. You look like you're wearing a jock. Fuck I'll give fuck what it looked like. I don't give the motherfucker was painted like a penis. Let me take some. The Shit has an exhaust. Has It's rechargeable by USB MICRO USB. It has a button that lets you push. You know what I'm saying. She could filter the air out. And all this shit. It's fucking insane. It is ideal for London. And it's even for writer you know Got One for everyone in the family except for Nicolette Nelson. I got you on the fucking. Listen I feel so bad. Nelson's done so much me. I had this motherfuckers money counter. I got a vacuum silicone four and a half the fucking crazy Ivan shipped anybody out there money counters when got a couple extra ones. Sorry guys if you didn't know you getting one I just I just got nothing for you so check this out. I got into a little situation. I'd go to Beverly Hills Ferrari and I went to go visit a friend real quick and is like when I say real quick. I'm talking three minutes right and I see tons of fucking people outside you know. Act Up everything on the way home from Beverly Hills. I stopped at one of my favorite Mexican restaurants in La. It's a TACO stands cool. But it's like organic grass-fed meet the organic beans. They have you know wild caught fish. Everything's very fresh and the prices are definitely. How do you say fuck by My God why am I? They're they're matched. Sorry there what they should be for. Good clean food right so it was place called. Pancho's and it's on third and sweetser rights right next to my old store and expelled house. And I'm saying I'm star. It's next to my store in the beverly center amp lunches is right there. You know writing the dead mactown. They have the best fucking Tiger shrimp on Sundays. They got tamales. And it was just single two mile I went on fucking Cinco de Cuatro and went to lunch and I got my son his dinner. I got Nicolette or I got my mother-in-law I got my dinner Writer in Chi-. I don't really eat. That BACI does but I had like all these beautiful like all set up boom and I'm in my Sta. I'm in the Ferrari. Some driving through the Canyon and an m five either two thousand nine hundred two thousand twenty a brand new m-5 competence series pulls up on me and the reason why I'm bringing this up is because I was on my life. Two nights ago is tonight's two nights ago on my live in April. How'd you like in the business by the M five and I'm like man? I fucking stupid shit like this and I'm like look man. Let's go live and I click on news page and he didn't go lie. I don't know if those him overseas friends dudes listen to this or maybe his home. Listen to this. And he's been bragging about it. Let me say some real quick Brooke via fast men. I have one you know in my boy. Tiny does some super fast emphasize ships after the super fast. And everything and the guys who are really good drivers. You could be an amazing driver being five and pretty much smoke anybody. That's on the street. That does not drive. Know How to Dr I've been on too many quick strikes. You know we've been doing one. Eighty five one ninety on these rides. do in one forty in semi traffic and we are driving with extreme excellence. I I'm racing against hyper-cars you name it in. Gt three our asses and doing in my pizza's probably the best I've ever owned so I start getting a little nasty on the Canyon or whatever and we're not going anything crazy probably doing like ninety an area where people go twenty and the thing about the piece is I have my entire family's dinner and Fuckin- plastic containers tiger shrimps with fucking marinade sauce and stuff. The my son's Burrito and everything and I'm thinking like Fuck Man. I'm already all fucked this. You know whatever we're going through cars everything else. There's a dip and I know what the dip because I drive this fucking canyon every day and there's a dip there and I'm like Yeoman Mike. Piazza is slammed on the ground. When I'm just going straight on a regular naming a bumpy road a smooth ride and I hit a reflector the my rear diffuser gets hit on there like you know. You're talking about fifteen bands. Just fucking plane thing without paint and I saw the dip. Soi Down there on top of that. Having my my my family's food in there some drive in fallen this do not been past my house across the street. I'm thinking out due just open. That's how much fuck fucking traffic was on where we can have chance at fucking four thirty PM in afternoon. Five PM and was at five thirty. I forgot was dinnertime. Though my kids eat dinner at five thirty and I'm just waiting for this dude. Fuck this man. I was ready to go on the freeway. Like you really want to run this. You don't really want to run this 'cause I will fucking each your lunch. I will fuck your whole shit up. That's the man if dude had the same skills and wasn't a GT three R S which would be comparable to involve high. Let's say he was in a Gt to our which is much more comparable to my car. I would still give that dude. The business in pizza but again you know we'll see maybe response to me on on. I don't know I don't know what the fuck years and get his name but maybe hits the ground the or anything like Yo dog we got into the BOP tune into. We should do the shit immediately before you know. Everything opens up for wheel. Let's go out to the fucking one one by Calabasas and let's smash you know what I'm saying. Let's who to two hundred. I get gets one seventy five. I and I'm ready right before I do that though what I do want to do is I want to get a GOPRO connected in my car right. Someone suggested about the mount. I got that someone needs to teach me how to fuck having turned it on yet but I do need to fuck around and figure out this GOPRO. Thanks I noticed. Whatever I don't WanNA ask youtubers or whatever but I got the mount the Suction Cup mount that kid going outside or on the window and the winds inside whatever. I'm going to figure this shit out so I can see how nasty I get on these drives. And whatever and the last thing I need those fucking police officer to pull me over and see that shot that bitch on the floor and fuck you because it'd be evidence but I don't know how to figure that out anyways going on I need to get a Gopro connected a sap what else. Let's fucking say right now but speaking of which. I do need to get my car my pizza. I need to get to suspension dialed in. I need to raise the rear about another half inch. The motherfucker is too Goddamn low scraping everywhere. How love it? Is the car so fast. I need to utilize to go at full maximum capacity on the motherfucking speed on that car. You know what I'm saying especially on the streets when I'm acting like a fucking idiot. Speaking of which my track Hawk has not been touched yet. I the front windows tinted right now. Had you know Nothing else done so. I got the springs on my back pro sport suspension. GonNa drop the car a little bit. GONNA do some accent paints and then I'm going to continue to get down. Pipes get it tune and you get this done immediately now. The crazy part is yesterday and I told you guys I've been cutting down my bills and everything and my my. Gtc for lucile something up with the four wheel steering of getting an error. So I need to go to the dealership and and I haven't dropped it off yet and I just got this fucking track hawk. There's a hundred thirty miles on the track hawk. A hundred and thirty miles and I already consider getting rid of that and the fucking for Lucile and just keeping the pizza and grabbing a fucking Kalon because I just want one really bad and I've been looking at one I just saw too and I'm like dude. I'm just going to do it and I'm doing everything I fucking can to not do this. I'm like Bro. I gotTA chill with that. Said Arch. Would you guys got rid of the URIS ADDICT? Talk with the guy from GM. Two days ago I have the first delivery of the two thousand twenty one cadillac escalade coming in a motherfucker looks like a spaceship now. The exterior sick. The interiors crazy. They really have real seven seating in there the yet eight by do bench. I did captain's chairs in the second row and I got you know I only did this because the third row now sits low. Sits like the civic minivans. Do it doesn't have that little fucking elevated rear third row fucking hate. I can't stand that but it has three real rose which obviously I need because you know to have a family of five including nanny my in law and whatever things like that or if I want to have both my in laws in the car with the kids and I can't wait to get that motherfucker. I am trying to cut down so I gotta chill but I got the new escalade. Come in I literally have one dropping probably in September south one of the first ones and I'm excited about it onto other news. I saw a video on instagram of the Americana and I follow the Americana page. That's how much fucking love the Americana England deal. I don't fuck I am in there in months. And they're playing the Fountain. Shell in there. Playing fucking Frank Sinatra and. I'm just like fuck man I missed the Americana so fucking much. My Kids Miss. Getting the bread at cheesecake factory. Right Mishima Right. Miss going to the fucking movies there. I miss going to meet your miss going to fucking you know. What else is there and there. There's just so much a cafe verdy inside fuck right and By the fucking drawn another blank right now. Obviously Dean deluca is great. They used to have a rahman bond top Katsuya their cuts. Who is even good to going on? I missed the Americana. I can't wait to start getting outside. It is trying to me. Look crazy I just got booked for this thing with the BS. That's going on in New York City and it's going on in like a month and a half and I don't know man I you know unless they send me a Jitney. They sent me. 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You know trying to help them boy out 'cause he is been doing a lot of good by legal meds. Dot Com is crazy Now think about it you know I was talking about going to the market and get sprite and I really did go just to get sprite. And now with the pandemic there is a shortage on meet right and for the first time ever in. Wendy's history the fucking Wendy's fast food chain. You know there was a commercial. That was so fucking famous in the eighties and it was. Where's the beef whereas the beef you guys are probably never fucking know? Somebody is one of the nineties. Whatever but as a very famous commercial and and and you know it's a hamburger place fast fabric place and now. They're not serving me in fact they don't have meat on the menu at Wendy's switches. Fucking mind boggling to me great for me but my body had just crazy so my son. London all three of my kids. Actually they this dish to Spanish dish called picky deal right and my mother in law makes it to perfection now. She does two versions against version and then she does a version for the kids which is one hundred percent organic grass-fed beef ninety to ninety three percent. Lean so talking about the best you can get. There's like diced up little potatoes. There is Rice and then there's some spices and certain things and then she uses organic hundred percent gluten free soy sauce anyway. This dishes delicious and my kids eat it every single day job. Picky they are so. This is an essential dish special for London because riders starting to eat pizza. Starting small other things opened up his Powell rider. Eat this and dinosaur chicken nuggets. That is fucking it. I'll give fuck where the fuck we are. We could be a MISCHA. I gotTA bring the Food in the fucking little canister so we can eat. That's how picky Lut writers and anyways I went to the store and they're only allow people to buy to ground beef packs period. Now the thing is I go to three to markets K. There is a whole foods that is not necessarily close to me. And then there is a Vaughn's and there's a rouse in all these places. I have to drive quite a bit. Hit these grocery stores because it's not really a grocery store next to my house so I go to Vaughn's first and there was no meat at all whatsoever by eight. Apm Nine people say go in the morning. Whatever Great Motherfucker. I needed to go right in there. I check and I see okay ground. Beef is there. They did habit the organic growth. Everything fucking gone every kind of steak meat. It's fucking ridiculous. I'm like what the fuck and I'm going to have some asshole. We'll meet and goal of shut the fuck up bitch telling you what the I saw the fucker. They're still no motherfucking paper towels. I by the way I got a fucking say what up and shout out to Daniel King at of Seattle Washington Man. Sent me too. Big Ass twelve packs of bounty much love some other. Homey sent a bunch of paper towels restaurant-style paper towels the commercial style. And on what your name was on who the fuck. It is but thank you very much for that. Appreciate it back to the story. There are no paper towels inside the grocery stores. There was some fucking toilet paper very little and I go in there and I see the organic beef. It was the only thing left out checking why and I look and I'm like all right so usually the regular ground beef could be anywhere from like two fifty to four bucks whatever it is depending on what you get pounds. Whatever the organic ground beef only comes in one pound and they come you know. There's like three different brands. This shit was twelve dollars nine per pack ground like Yo this is no joke and they still were only letting you get two packs. I got three and I've got a bunch of extra little bullshit like chips fucking snacks. All my little fucking you know almelo snacks you guys know. I love to fuck and have so I put one pack of beef in the front put one back immediately after that and I got one way at the end of doing fucking pay attention. He had no idea to go to the next door which is whole foods and all they have is fucking organic now. The butcher was the only person that had organic beef and he said you could only get two pounds. And I'm like cool now. The crazy part about there is organic beef Ninety percent lean from the butcher barely caught this motherfucker about the clothes. He had one point like six pounds. Us I'll take. I'll give fuck so I took that. Grab that boom took off headed to fucking Ralph's and I go to Ralph's and I just start grabbing random. Shit I started seeing cookies and start seeing also the ship boom go to the meat section. Every fucking thing you could think of red meat wise is cleared out to ask this guy. Excuse me whereas organic beef fat because my wife does all the shopping house we do like you know The fuck is a fuck and creates shit. The fuck in the fucking not Amazon fresh but we did all that ship. All those things aren't working right now. Cosco doesn't have organic beef. Most of the time in their shits fucking drives a motherfucker. Now so I see the signs and all three places to be people person Blah Blah. Whatever and I asked guy says their organic sexually over there. Everything's organic over there and it's next to like the impossible foods and stuff and there's crazy there's a bunch of impossible meet there. There was lean Turkey middle ground. Be Whatever ground Turkey and I was like Oh shit. They're six packs of ground beef here. I won't be a fucking Dick. I grabbed four. I did the same thing put too in the front the back but these mother fuckers are going for stupid money. Why am I telling you this? Shit it's because my son Ryder only eats two things period that is the piccadilly which involves the ground beef now. The thing is my wife is already given up and she's never had ever. It's very specific. But she's like fuck it if cap your beef and be anything. The only thing is the reason why it is. There is because it's so fucking expensive I think and it's three times the price of regular beef but she started to worry because you know we bought. I've fucking we have three. Refrigerators freezers well and bought so many motherfucking dinosaur chicken nuggets that I'm hoping the pandemic is done by the time this shit goes he dry but anyways enough about bad looking over all my items my body. The chain items like my slides. Everything else I've been going to stock excellent check things out. I've been going to Ebay and I've been doing like it's on trying to get idea of what people are paying for right. And if you buy something on Stock X. and you see a price sold yes technically. That's what it sold for Kazoo. Don't do like that little bullshit. It really does get sold for that whether so bought it for their home. I don't know what people's thoughts because there's things that are listed for nine thousand for a pair of shoes. Whatever the fuck maybe this. Unlisted for a million dollars rather fuck it is. I'm looking at bricks now. Bear bricks are readily available on stocks. Now one thousand percents only They do sell four hundred one hundred. I haven't checked. I'm just checking out. What one thousand percent fabrics are going for and in the pandemic bare bricks have gone? Four one hundred percent now on stock ex could definitely get a better deal than anywhere else for Bedrick. One thousand you're going to definitely get a better deal than Ebay better deal than retail store. But I will say this if I ever had to sell my one thousand percents which I don't see happening for a very very long time and when I mean a long time I mean five years that'd be the soon as I could see myself saying fuck. You know what I'm going to give but I don't see myself you know. I want my kids to have these things. They're going to be valuable and they're going to hold their value and speaking of which damn I'm sidebar like a motherfucker. The new bank see piece is dope. Just check that out. Make sure you go google new. Banke at a hospital and you'll see that back to bear bricks if our so my brakes again understand this when Ronnie Power Venal Pure Vino. Sold his 'cause collection on heritage auctions. It went for it was going low for a while and then he broke all records for all the costs twice right now. Don't know why sold them he needed. Money on fucking no. I think 'cause don't fuck with them anymore but I regret selling my I. You know of of bricks in a had to because of space and everything else but going on. I have seventy three one thousand percent barracks right now. And there's fucking boxes all over the fucking place right in my storage. They're all Organiz. Thanks to Sean my assistant but if our to sell them please believe I would do another gallery thing and I don't care if it's virtual gallery I wouldn't get fuck but I'd find a gallery in beverly or you know whether it be fucking Go-goes Ian Somewhere Dope and I'd have a showcase again I don't know how the fucked Arts GonNa go people's Social Justice Museum's kind of but I would do that and it doesn't matter what stock excels for and what the street people do what they want because now bedrick one thousands are inside homes of people who own those people who own fucking Warhol's boss gas right so it's like look man if I decide to sell it. I'm going to sell them for fucking crazy bread so don't always look at stocks pricing because sometimes it's who the seller is and that right there could determine a different price point and with that. Said Ladies and gentlemen episode. Seventy nine is over. I had a lot of fun on this episode. I love free style for you guys and I WanNa say thank you so much. You have no idea. I've had a really rough week. This has been therapeutic talking to you. People telling you guys you know what's been good what's been bad and Please have already hit. That subscribe button. Obviously telephone to tell a friend I wanted to say this because I said it in a few episodes but this is not your practice. Life always remember that and nothing to never apologize. I you know I don't apologize even more. Don't apologize I with that. Said we are the fuck out of here whereas my boy. Ll talking about local Jay. I'm talking about that Lake Lake. You'll leaky lake. Come on jeep. Take us out of here. Partial

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World Series, Rajon Rondo, Cowboys, and the Lakers

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

2:01:58 hr | 2 years ago

World Series, Rajon Rondo, Cowboys, and the Lakers

"Thanks for listening to the heard podcast, be sure to catch us. Live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine to noon, Pacific on Fox Sports. Radio one. Find your local station for the hurt at Fox Sports radio dot com or stream it live every day on the iheartradio app by searching heard. You're listening to Fox Sports radio. This is the heard wherever you may be in. However, you may be listening live in Los Angeles iheartradio Fox, Sports, radio, and right here s. one joy. Taylor is joining me good morning, good morning World Series. We got NBA stuff going on. NFL is going to be a huge week. We have. We have a packed show today today is just a great show this. This is such a good time of the year, and I wanted to start with this. You ever have firsthand the job, heck your first week at a job, raise your hand. If you're driving your car, don't raise your hand, keep them on the wheel. Otherwise, raise your hand. If you had a first day on the job in the last ten years. You know what that you're always in that first day on the job fog, you gotta meet a bunch of people and you can't remember their names. Where's the bathroom? You got the IT guys trying to set you up. You got to go to human resources and fill out that first day on the job that first week on the job, you don't know what floor this is on your. You forget which hallway to take your cubicle. You're in that first week on the job. I and the job fog and the dodgers were in a fog last night, warm weather, Los Angeles, cold wet damp, windy, Fenway park. Fenway park's the Corky is park in baseball. This is not an excuse. I still think Boston's gonna win the series. And I think Boston has more good players, but the dodgers got a break last night, Chris sale the as for the Red Sox was not on his best stuff couldn't finish the fifth. It didn't matter. The dodgers didn't look comfortable defensively, I mean, good God. NY park has a garage door in center. You're telling all these guys, Nell a nationally guys who never played there? Yeah, there's this ballpark. There's a monster in left and a garage door and center. They didn't look comfortable. They didn't manage comfortable. In fact, the only two guys that actually hit one of them was Manny Machado, the others, David freeze, not coincidentally guys who had played and hit at Fenway park before there was a moment in the seventh inning jock Peterson came in, and this always happens whenever you substitute a guy, hitting the ball finds him immediately, right? So jock Peterson comes in Joe buck with a call. Listen. Pops it up. Left side. Long-run Peterson just ended. It came, can't make the play. It's a double the ball usually finds the new guide and on a cold night, Jack Peterson could not get there. I mean, he didn't know where the bathrooms were. He didn't know where the cafe was. He was just dealing with the IT guy. You ever gone to summer camp joy at a summer cow into summer campus kid the first two days or chaos. All these kids all these counselors. How do I get to the lake? What events gotta be part of it's chaos in your distant a first day of summer camp fog, first day at work Fogg dodgers looked so uncomfortable last night. And by the way Fenway park I've been to it is so quirky and so unique from every other park in major league baseball. Forget the garage door and center. The fans are right on top of you in Los Angeles fans are more casual and they show up in the second inning at Fenway. They show up at batting practice and they're right on top of you. It looked dark. It looked cold. It looked wet. It was windy this. This was the classic example. And you've seen this before warm weather team in the NFL goes to a cold weather site, or sometimes the cold weather bears go down to warm, weather, Miami, and just melt the dodgers looked out of sorts all. All night. I didn't love a managerial move pitching move. I'll get to that in a little bit. But this this is not a shock that is the quirkiest home field advantage doesn't generally mean a ton in baseball. It's space. If you got your ace going, you quiet the crowd, but Fenway park's one of those rare spots fans on you whether or not Tober totally loud and intense with all these quirks nooks and crannies dodgers need to show up early for batting practice take more infield because that they even got a break last night and they just didn't look right at all at all. And by the way, the National League series, they just came out of with a chess match analytically driven, Boston's a totally different team. Boston's like, here's our nine guys. They're really good better than years beat us. This is not going to be a fight like against Mayweather, whereas jab jab, moved JAT. Now this has Tyson is prime. They're coming after you. The hyper aggressive Red Sox put their nine guys out there and they. They just come after you and not that they don't like analytics, but it's not the brewers. It's not multiple trips to the mound it. They're going to put out there. Same guys, the dodgers went analytics with their lineup yesterday out thought the room and looked absolutely at like they were in the wrong place at least last night. All right. I want to shift to this and I'm going to get back to some of that in a second, but and I got a couple of stories on Amari Cooper, Troy Aikman doesn't like the move necessarily for the Cowboys, but let me let me go to the NBA quick. So there was a fight in the NBA Saturday night rockets Lakers, and Chris, Paul was in the middle of it. He plays for the rockets and Rondo was in the middle and Rondo plays with the Bron James. And you can like I said, you blame whoever you want. Looks like Rondo Spitz and Rondo got more game suspension than Chris. Paul did in Rondo fired back yesterday. He really fired back by the way fired back at LeBron's best friend. He said everybody wants to believe Chris balls, good guy. They don't know. He's a horrible teammate. They don't know how he treats people. I was going to let it rasp, but I have kids and I teach my kids to speak up for themselves and don't let the world tell your story. Well, I would never bring up an athlete's kids, but since Rondo brought up his kids, let me ask him this. Do you also tell your kids if you've been difficult every place you work, you get a reputation and you're not gonna get the benefit of the doubt here. Tell your kids that. That's also part of the story here since you brought him up. The bottom line is Chris, Paul is demanding. I've worked with a lot of demanding people. You can work with demanding people. I'm demanding. I've worked briefly with difficult people and their their gasoline on any fire there, instigators law provocateurs. They're trying to start trouble. All you need to know about Chris. Paul is the pelicans and the clippers got worse when he laughed and the rockets got better when he arrived and he's always gotten along with his coaches, Doc Rivers, and Chris Paul, the reputation was players resented how well they got along that Doc Rivers, and Chris, Paul were too close. Rondo can't get along with anybody. Rondo couldn't get along with Doc Rivers. He couldn't get them in a Boston fast enough. He couldn't get along with Rick Carlisle in Dallas at Carlisle. I covered in Portland, maybe the nicest guy I've ever met in pro sports Ricardo, the nicest guy in the NBA. Everybody loves Rick Carlisle, Rick Carlisle could not get Rondo outta town fast enough. So there's a big difference between demanding Chris, Paul's demanding he was demanding, Blake, Griffin, hit your free, throws. Learn to hit a three, Blake Griffin, the Andre Jordan be in the right place at the right time. That's demanding. That is by the way, Blake had a nice night last night, but he's disappeared without Chris. Paul soles de Andre Jordan. K. demand I've worked with manning people. I'm all for it. Difficult people are impossible and so getting bring up your kids about rules, and I would never bring up your kids, but it should also be noted that you should tell your kids that life's a resume based on choices. Rondos dot going to get the benefit of the doubt in this fight. He's not gonna get the, he's not as good as Chris Paul, Chris, Paul has multiple examples raise left teams. They've gotten worse, entered a team. They got better. I mean, the New Orleans was a garbage. Chris. Paul ends up in New Orleans. They have their best years leaves. The going to the tank clippers were embarrassing for years, goes to Los Angeles Clippers aren't embarrassing beat the cross down. Lakers rockets were kind of like plateau. He goes over to James, harden it while work it does. He even got along with James harden, who's a guard who shoots a lot. You can say what you want about Chris, Paul, but he's worked with Doc Rivers. He worked in New Orleans. He's working with Dan Tony. He's telling me who Rondos work with. I mean, tell me nobody. That's not demanding. That's difficult. And by the way LeBron and Chris, Paul are best friends and and you just through LeBron's best friend under the bus net, not good. That relationship I guarantee ah, is going to be strained from this point forward. I mean, Limbaugh Mon it, but this is why sixteenths five years, Chris. Paul's not been on six teams in five years. Chris. Paul was in New Orleans doing a great job and then they tried to turn it into Lakers and the NBA known said he's too good. They that that's not unfair. So we ended up with the clippers. You stay with the clippers for years and years and years. And then finally got tired of the clippers dysfunction and went to Houston, and he'll end his career in Houston, three stops in the NBA is no biggie, six teams, five years. That's a problem that's on you. Sixteenths five years is on you. So whoever started the fight Rondo can't come out and throw arrows and sling arrows at Chris Paul, Chris, Paul has got a lot more friends in this league than Rondo does. He's a better player than Rondo is. And that goes without saying. You know, joy. I've said this before I understand analytics, I am four some analytics, but you like mental also, but I don't want to turn on the TV and watch nerds. Okay. Like man Olympics now I don't care if it to fifty fifty split and I do believe especially in a big volume sport like baseball, that there are certain things over time that work well that don't necessarily work well, situationally in October, John Smoltz will be on a couple of hours. He and I agree on that, but there was a moment last night for the dodgers. I totally disagree. They want analytics over Mantelet IX and I absolutely hated it. And Troy Aikman doesn't hate it, but he said he's nervous about this Amari Cooper move that's coming up, be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon. Eastern nine AM Pacific on Fox Sports. Radio f s one and the iheartradio app by the way, Fenway park tonight will be zoo. Do it because now they've got a lead in the series. They smell blood in the water. Fenway park is going to be so inhospitable tonight for the dodgers. It'll be the craziest crowd of the year in major league baseball, the west coast dodgers down all one facing David price. By the way Manny. Machado has done very well has owned David price through the years, but the righties for the Red Sox now are hot and think dodgers Dona left you tonight. Good luck. I want to say this though. I've said this before baseball managers in two thousand eighteen with analytics, don't do much. That's why the Yankees Red Sox managers combined don't make as much as the Boise state football coach, and I'm not joking. The Boise state football coach, coaching, twelve games a year in that conference makes more than Alex Cora and Aaron Boone combine. That's all you need to know about baseball managers. They're not gonna pay any money. They don't do that much. But what they do that we all see is go to the bullpen. They walk out. The mound. They go to the bullpen and we see it. It's right there. That's a big decision by the manager who he made the call to pull out. So last night I, it's not that I'm anti analytics, but some stuff works on a volume level on a scale level, but it doesn't necessarily work in October, and Dave Roberts in the San Francisco takes out Pedro Byas who has been on fire was terrible early, but on a fire for a month, he just blew the ball past two guys. Okay. And Dave Roberts is in his binder. I want to get the lefty lefty matchup. Dave Roberts goes tactical over practical, and he brings in Alex would well. Well, I like the match up the numbers, say, dude, Pedro Baya's blowing the ball, bass people, a man who's pitching the best of his career. He's been on fire for a month and he's got a hitter. It's not a great not one of the Red Sox best hitters coming up and you pull him because the binder I got hold on, I gotta look down at the binder and Joe buck with a call. A good bad ball hitter off left handers. That is hammered into left. Three run home run Nunez and the Red Sox open up game one. You know and John Smoltz. This is driving him crazy a rod. This is driving him crazy. A rod talked about this again last night. Alex Rodman flabbergasted by that moving and look. We always talk about a point guard in order to be good. You have to see the floor a manager has to do the same thing. What metric are they previewed that you take up by his dominating faces to hitters strikes and both out and make any sense you scripted baseball does not work in October. It could work on the season. Scripted baseball does not work in October. There's a big difference between a hundred sixty two games and the pressure of an October game in Fenway park. Don't over think the room situations. You got a man who's blown it by people who've never had more confidence. He's had a great month yet. Keep him in and let him just listen, man. You see this in sports all the time or a great player. In baseball, a rod gets into a funk and loses confidence. We've seen LeBron James multiple times lose. You saw join Miami, lose confidence in his jumper when. You get pro athletes and they feel great about themselves and they got the chest puffed out and there it just let them go, man. It's hard enough to be a visiting team from a warm weather situation to play in that stadium this time of the year, and you've got a guy that feels great about himself and you're going to a binder. And by the way last year in game seven of the World Series Charlie Morton pitcher for the Astros a starter and they put him in the bullpen. He goes the last four innings of the game. Well, where are the analytics on that? They're no analytics say use Charlie Morton of starter? No. They brought in a man. Justin Verlander a world-class hall of fame starter come out of the bullpen. You go with Mana Lennox in these big spots. I trust Charlie Morton. I trust Justin Burland you this idea that you can use all these analytics pocket protector stuff. It works for a lot of games. But when you get to the Western Conference finals and it's, you know, it's Kevin. Durant and you got, you know, LeBron against him, throw that crap out. These are the two ALPHA's in the league. Let them roll who's hot. And I think Dave Roberts last night. I think he did himself a huge disservice. I think the dodgers front office and that's the kind of stuff in baseball. Now we don't see managers do much pitching change. We see them do it and what it doesn't go. Well, it just sticks out it. It's just a flashing red light, not not a good look and Smoltz in a-rod both called this puppy joy. The news. This is the headline news. So how'd Shurmur said yesterday that he expects Eli manning to remain the giants quarterback after the trade deadline? I don't know why that's shocking, but naturally, this leads you I being asked about it. I haven't thought about this trade scenario. This organization is the only team I've I've ever played four and and only thing I know in in a love, New York, giant. I, you know, I can't talk to imagine being being with another organization. It sounds like he lies kind of gonna make it really difficult. I mean, you say that and it, although I think at this point can can you go to that emotional? Well, if your ally again, can you go to the or people like dude, you can last year it was the puppy dog face ally manning, and everybody was like, hey, you're picking, but now you're one in six, it's time to rip the band aid off. Well, 'cause last year it was mostly put on coaching for why like wasn't playing well, but there was there was a lot of pressure on macadamia to get it together. So there was kind of a Bill in excuse there. I don't understand this trait. This trade scenario who we're at this come from who's trading manning now, what they're doing is tanking. The giants are actually in the raiders are trading away. Good players that's called tanking in the NFL because of the NFL you have to play hard every week or you get hurt. The way to tank is what the raiders are doing. Khalil Mack have Amari Cooper, and then you lose a bunch of games. Get it up pack and you get a. Quarterback the giant essentially by trading snacks. Harrison is really good and by moving, you lie apple. What you're saying is we're giving up on this season and we, we have a topic. We want to have a top three draft pick and get a quarterback manning has a no trade clause in his contract. So, yeah. Really up to him. So Jon Gruden second as head coach of the raiders off to a rough start as you just mentioned. And now it sounds like he's quickly lost the trust of many of his players according to victory for the athletes. He's at quote, many of the players I've talked to question the coaches, accountability was the way the trades were handled that it's Bader bothering veteran players when what you say and what you do different things. There's a problem. One player who requested anonymity said, I've never ever ever understood why organizations feel the needs. It's hell the team that nobody's getting traded or moved. It don't understand the purpose of it. Never. Will you back yourself into a corner? You're almost guaranteed to have to then break your promise, a promise that you don't you do not have to make because you are in the decision making seat and it's a business. You don't have to promise anyone that they're not being moved. It's nonsense. The other thing is you can tell players a lot of things, but players know the truth right. I've talked to NFL guys. I've talked to NBA guys. It will ever players know who can really play. Okay. When you tried Khalil Mack in Amari Cooper, two of the top three players in that locker room. You can tell the players all you want yet. It's for the future, but the players are like, those are our best players. You can't be as players on who can play in who can't, and the team has no pass rush. Wow. Khalil Mack and I, that's why I always said, even though Khalil Mack was expensive, he would have been ten percent of your cap. Okay. And then your quarterbacks, ten to twelve percent of your cap? Okay. I can have twenty two percent of my cap on the two best players on the team, and they're both in key positions in their prime. I think that Khalil Mack move, forget Amari Cooper, that move resonated so negatively amongst players that now you're just seeing the repercussions of, yeah, you can't understand when you when a new coach comes in or new GM comes in, you want to establish a culture and put your imprint on things and you wanna move certain players out style all of that. But communication is huge and you can't go and trade Khalil Mack and then talk about you need a pass rusher like just doesn't even make any sense and everything that you're saying about players is true. Not only do they know who can play players, talked to other players go out publicly and say that something went down. One way. All they have to do is pick up the phone and call someone and they'll get, they'll get the other side and they're more than likely going to side with. Player because they've spent time with them. They don't know you. So the entire culture in the locker room is loss. Like what exactly what you're trying to establish isn't gonna fall on deaf years. You're not going to get rid of all the veteran players in the locker room. It's just a, it's just a weird approach, and the whole idea is coming in and saying nothing is going to change. No one's going to be moved. You don't own that anyone nor do players expect to hear that. I don't. I don't. I don't get it. Is there any less exactly have have whatever your goal is be clear off the business stuff. Coach rule exactly. Talk as little as possible. Finally, the fallout of the Chris Paul Rajon Rondo saga continues, especially after Rondos comments about Paul yesterday saying that there's a bad teammate and now players and former players are taking sides, including Glenn Davis. He posted this comment on Instagram yesterday, big babysit. I played with both of them c. p. three is a very bad again, me who's Glenn Davis. Glenn Davis's got all his issues to glint land like Glenn, but maybe Davis got all his issues too. So maybe Davis is one of the five guys in the league that's been trouble Rondos when one of the five guys, you know, you always say this who supports winners who supports loser Rondo is getting now supported by another guy that didn't like Doc Rivers, Doc Rivers didn't like Rondo Docker, liar. You very public. I don't know how I feel about the bad teammate thing. I think you can probably for most people find someone to find say something negative about anyone. Rarely. Are you going to find someone that everyone loves. Because everyone doesn't love everybody. So the teammate thing I don't really care about so much because it's more about results. You know, some people may say the Michael Jordan wasn't the best team made at times. Okay. But you got result so that something I don't care about as much. I think there's a lot more to this Rondo Chris, Paul beef than just what happened on Friday night. I think it runs a whole lot deeper than that, and I don't think it's over actually because they're going to play more and they meet in the playoffs. And this is just created what turned out to be kind of a good thing for the NBA is a little bit of a rivalry now. So never terrible for the league. People think they are now, but intensity and passion early NBA not bad for the league now joining the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by heard, lie. I said yesterday, the Dallas Cowboys traded a first round pick to get Amari Cooper, and I said, I don't, you know, I would have preferred a third round pick or a second round pick, but don't don't freak out over a first round pick. I'll give you a stat that I don't know how many people know this, but when Seattle had that like three to four year dynasty thing going when Seattle was loaded from like two thousand thirteen to two thousand sixteen and they were just had the best roster in the NFL. Do you know in two thousand thirteen? The Seahawks didn't have a first round pick and in two thousand fourteen they didn't have a first round pick and in two thousand fifteen. They didn't have the first round pick and they had the best roster you can live without. First round picks. I should tell you last year. The LA Rams did not have a first round pick, oh, o.'neil Rams didn't have a second round pick last year and New England, Patriots drafted. Nine players this year. Six haven't played and one's hurt, and by the way, New England in two thousand sixteen in two thousand seventeen joy didn't have a first round pick. So Troy Aikman says, I don't know if I like the move Dallas radio here it is. I'm a little skeptical, but you know, you hope that it works and you hope that maybe Mark Hooper is the answer, but I think there's just more to it than what I've seen from just the wide receiver they're trying to do something and I guess you can applaud them for that, but a first round pick for him. I, I'd be a little nervous about that one. Okay. Philadelphia. By the way, didn't have a first round pick Kansas City this year did not have a first round pick Rams again. Did never. I second round pick. Okay. Draft picks are important, but thirty percent of the guys in the first round camp play or get hurt or underachieve. No, that Amari Cooper compla-. So let's just do worse case scenario here. Worst case in there. Well, worst case scenario he breaks his leg tomorrow, but let's go reasonable. Worst case scenario he comes in, you're stuck with him this year next year, the contract, right? Because the raiders extended it so so you're gonna pay him about fifteen thirteen million bucks this year. Maybe a little bit more next year. Okay. Okay. So he averages fourteen and a half million for the next two years. And it gives you like thirty catches a year and two touchdowns. And so in two years you get like sixty seventy catches and a few touchdowns a couple. Okay. Well, it's twenty eighteen. Couldn't Dallas Cowboys use that from a wide receiver. Are you gonna? Tell me worst case scenario he gives you in two years. Let's just worst-case case at sixty catches that. That's like two catches a game. He's going to get more neck because they're going to try to get the ball to him, but he gets to catch is a game sixty. Kkat gets in the end zone like three times which is he's going to get in the end zone with that. Okay. So they could still use that production. And by the way, then after next year you let them walk and it frees up money NO by the way you gave up one pick which by the way the pick you were going to use for a wide receiver anyway, have you looked at the last four years? First round wide receiver picks. I mean, they're almost all buffs. So let's say it's worth, you know, in business when you invest in something, you know when you when you when I bet a football game. Worst case scenario, I lose my money. I don't bene- football game if I need that seventy five dollars. So when you bet, anytime you bet on sports just say, I'm going to lose. And if the worst case scenario is I can't pay my cable Bill then don't bat. Okay. Just just think always think about worse case scenario. If you buy a business, if you give a draft pick, if you acquire somebody your law firm, worst case scenario, can you handle worse case scenario? Because you know best case scenarios, easy, oh, Mario Cooper gets seventy catches a year. That's easy. But let's say it doesn't work and you pay him fourteen million dollars a year and on average next two years and you get thirty catches and one touchdown. All right. Well, you could still use that production. I mean, Dallas needs more than anything allied receiver. They got their linebackers. They got the defensive line. They got their offensive line. They got their star running back and they have the next year and a half the quarterback, and so they got that. But they could use a safety plu. They could use a safety, but it is an NFL offensive league now, right? What they really need to wide receiver. Worst-case scenario, he's not worth the first round pick. He'll let him walk free up money. He did give you some production. I mean, let's he breaks a leg. The worst case scenario is just not worth the pick, and then you lost a pick which you would've used on a wide receiver in the last four drafts wide receivers taken in the first round is a list of who's who. I mean, I don't know half these guys are even in the league still. So I think and just don't just remember really good teams in this league. Give up first round picks all the time. Seattle in their dynasty didn't have a first round pick for three years. In fact, one of those first round picks they gave up for Percy Harbin who virtually never played and they still redundancy that didn't unravel their dynasty. What unraveled or dynasty was Richard Sherman, got hurt. They went a little political started. Yep, Yep. And yet, but in the locker room, the offensive line kinda deteriorated one about the first round packs by the way Pete Carroll with a couple of first round picks. He was always good with fourth, fifth and sixth round guys. He was good with third round guys, Russell Wilson be Carol's. Never been like nailing first round. Pick guy even is running back, pick Bisher. I run everybody's like kinda overdrafted that guy. So I when I, when I think of a business, I think a worst case scenario and worst case scenario for Amari Cooper, he's completely mediocre. You could still use the production and let them go a year and a half, a new free up money. I don't think if that's the worst case scenario, that's a good worst case scenario. Rob Parker's around the corner, he's got some thoughts on the World Series. He's a hall of fame voter in major league baseball, rob Parker more than the NBA more than the NFL loves baseball. He's got some thoughts on that. He's got some thoughts on Chris, Paul and Rondo got people big baby Davis's Sidon up now at Rondo. I think that's more of an indictment, then it is good news for Rondo all that coming up plus plus the winner. In this Rondo Chris, Paul fight, it's not LeBron, but there's a winner here that's coming up. Got so much good stuff today. Albert Breyer next hour. Joel Klatt next hour. Let's bring in a guy. He's like our Rondo joy. He's our instigator. He doesn't spit on people though. He is very difficult except on our show. He is rob Parker, USC teaching sports commentary for Detroit News, new York, Daily News euro baseball guy through until you hall of fame boat? Yes. Am my first World Series ever covered? Ready, nineteen, Eighty-six Mets, Red Sox, which was a class. That was my first. I was twenty two years old. My first World Series Ivankov. You were getting paid for it? Yes. Wow. Hey, big time. But you're again from the queen's, you're from queens Queen. You gotta cover a Mets World Series. Believe that that's incredible, twenty two years old. Never forget it. Okay. So you're a big baseball guy and I you and I talk off air a lot when I have a baseball question, I'm always asking rob about questions. Now. I've said before, I do like analytics to a point. I had lunch with Daryl Morey Houston Rockets, Jan, the editor he was laughing. He goes, I like your man Olympics, and I said, I like them. But these are men in their twenties. They've got egos and in pro sports. When you get into the post season in guys hot, let him be hot. So last night, Pedro by has who's been hot for a month of the dodgers who just blew through two Red Sox gets pulled for Alex wood. You're a baseball guy. I hated it and I'm talking about, I guess not a second guess after he gives up the home run, I just didn't like it. I'm with you on this. I get the analytics who have the numbers. Sometimes you can look at match ups. I get all that, but sometimes it has to be a feel for the game. And you look at Pedro pies and you say, he's, he told the lights out of the ball. He's pitching gray and has for the, he's really hot for them right now. Absolutely. And I don't think Nunez an I know he went down and got an ugly pitch and pulled it over the green monster and all that. It wasn't a Meatball by Alex wood. So I get that. But still it shouldn't be always about who's coming up to bat, but whether what pitcher you want on the mound in the moment in the Mola Zach last year Verlinden and Charlie Morton of the Astros wherein analytics does it tell you take a start or put them in the bullpen, but they Charlie Morton was hot, had a ton of confidence last foreigner. Things wins the series. I mean to me, I, here's the other thing is that if analytics in baseball are so special, then why aren't the Cleveland Indians and why aren't the Oakland a.'s winning more? See, I love that because I know everybody Billy bean analytics, the as I know they've made it to the playoffs with some low payrolls or whatever, but they haven't won anything all made a movie about winning twenty games in a row, but they never mentioned it though. He's pitchers head on the top. Okay. So by the way, the cubs are in the analytics and so are the dodgers and so are the Red Sox and so are the Yankees by the way, but what gets them over the as is stars? Yes. So you need players and some, you know, Bryce Harper now because a defensive shifts may hit two nine, but I hate the defensive shifts. The I would argue, I'd still like Bryce Harper and a big spot. John Smoltz always says this in the playoffs. There's a lot of pressure, put the ball in play. You just don't know. Some guys can hit shots in the NBA finals. And some guy. Andy, Dalton in the NFL shrinks in big games. The analytics tell you as a b, plus quarterback in big games antidote and to see minus quarterback. Do you think analytics? I don't necessarily think they're great for the viewer not I don't think so as well. Still think it's still those moments matchups where you want to see certain players and I don't. I don't. I still would rather see a certain guy up who's on a hot streak or whatever, rather than just going totally by the book and saying, well, he's got a higher batting average in this guy. That doesn't mean you're going to get the big hit in that big moment or get the out because you have a better. Career Mark against that player. So I so I get an Olympics to a certain degree, but I'm not a big fan of it. I think it's taken away something from baseball, and I think fans are watching goal. Why are they making these moves? And even Dave Roberts, I think he over manages a mean he's go. He's an American League. Ballpark would a d. h. and going through his whole roster last night, why don't switch? So you don't have any pinch hitters at the end of the game. So I don't. I don't get that. Why are you doing by the way? I want to shift to a couple of topics here. This is an interesting thing, so Rondo has been difficult as whole career. I would argue Chris, Paul has been demanding, but Chris, Paul got along with Doc Rivers, Chris, Paul gets along with Mike dantonio. Ronald couldn't get along with Rick Carlisle, who maybe the nicest guy in the league on no Rick from Detroit. Okay. As a head coach, Rick is when I covered them in Portland, if you can't get along with Rick Carlisle, you can't get along with anybody. So on this fight. Yesterday Rondo comes out and calls out Chris. Paul might take away his dude come on. Now, there's a reason you're on your sixteen and five years, and I also wonder this, Chris, Paul's LeBron's best friend. Was this a bad move by Rondo to call him basically, lousy teammate? Yeah, it's a good question as we go forward and when he comes back, this'll be interesting thing to look at because that's really a good observation to see where because of course, LeBron was what comforting or or moving Chris Paul to the side during that melee. Did you notice that? Yup. By the way, think about this. So what kind of personality because LeBron can make anything work LeBron way didn't work perfectly, but they liked each other and they made it work and LeBron didn't work perfectly LeBron and love didn't work perfectly, but LeBron liked him. So it worked. We know that LeBron and Lonzo both need the ball. It's not a perfect fit. Let me ask you this though. LeBron can make anything work. Rondo is intense and difficult. Lonzo's the opposite personality, chill laid back sometimes to lay. That's right. The criticisms of burger point. Rob, the criticism of Lonzo. He's to chill, but if the intense guy at work wears you out, you tend to go the opposite direction. This Rondo fight. Is it potentially helping Lonzo the chilled laid bat, LeBron's like, dude, I I can't take Rondo. He's calling him my best friend. He's too intense. I'm gonna go the opposite. Go with lay back Lonzo. This is a big moment right here. I think Colin from the standpoint of if Lonzo continues to play as in these played well, right continues to play seven threes and make those open threes when the ball comes. Now he was clanking them. It would be a big different situation where they couldn't have them in there. He's not knocking them down. He's not going down and he's taken with nobody in front of him, right? They still don't respect them. So he has opened looks if. You're the Lakers and you're really serious about what is this year is this really can't win, you know, you can't win and you're trying to see who you're going to hold onto and how you're going to move forward. It's an audition ear. It's an audition, you so you know what Lonzo ball should be playing not a one year journeyman who's been around. We know what Rondo can do. We know two, he's important if you could to the playoffs. We've seen a Rhonda the playoff Rondo and the regular season Rondo. Right? And they are different play Oko, Tony. So I get that. But if you the Lakers you gotta take a look at Lonzo to see really a Kenny play with LeBron is he is he as advertised before he got drafted? Is he really that guy? Or is he a boss? Does he not going to be that guy? And I think that they need to look now at Rondo being suspended, and if they can get a win or two and Lonzo looks good. Maybe you decide, let's keep it this way and boy Rondo off the bench. Now, this is a good point. What you're saying is this really is. As the year of discovery, the year of auditioning. So why would you play Rondo? It doesn't make any sense that we we know what Rondo is. There is television game Rondo playoff Rondo, and regular season. Rondo lonzo's the one we're trying to figure out a can he play and be can if it with LeBron. So why not just play them now, and I'll tell you this, the Lakers or teetering, and these first ten, thirteen games Colin are very critical. I know people are all will be fine. That sounds good. But the difference between being one of the top four seeds and the lower four is that if they finished in a lower for they can get a first round. Series against Golden State or rockets and be on the road and get knocked out. I don't think that's what they're looking for to be knocked down the first round. So if you fall into a three and ten whole or something like that, and it is doable, look at that scale in Iraq. They don't beat the Suns tonight. What listen we will talk about this later in the show stand. This is that, like I said, give it thirty. I always felt give give me trading deadline if they lose to Phoenix tonight they're going to be an underdog in six of the next seven games. Here's an interesting point in urine, are we talk about interesting today we talked about the World Series and the LeBron right? If they're three and twelve, if you look at their schedule, are they a topic and all these opinion shows even with LeBron the Lakers the Dallas Cowboys when Tony Romo got hurt, remember that they couldn't pick up. I dance shows like this didn't talk about Lonzo LeBron's in danger of not even being a topic. No, you know what? And it's it's not that far away. So that's why I'm saying they need to win some games like soon. And to be honest, they win all three of those games that they lost Colin. In fact, they should have won that game that they gave San Antonio terrible laws that was a terrible loss. There should have won that game. The Lakers are in trouble. Dodgers win tonight. They better win. I think they will win tonight. They needed really bad to can't fall behind. David. Price is not a good postseason pitcher, but he did have his last art was pretty good. Yeah. So the one who got them into the World Series, he won that game. Yeah. By the way, Machado hit David price did as shadow would have three run bomb the night for the dodgers. It's the hurt. Our two in Los Angeles. This is the heard wherever you may be in. However, you may be listening iheartradio, Ron, Fox, Sports, radio, and right here on f s one joy. Taylor is joining me this hour. Albert Breyer stops by Joel Klatt. We got all sorts of stuff going on the World Series game two tonight on FOX. David price goes for the Red Sox. They're favored in the series and Fenway made the dodgers look very uncomfortable last night. I want to get back to what was a big story yesterday on the show Amari Cooper of the raiders being traded to the Cowboys. And I'm hearing all these stories about he's not worth a first rounder. He's going to be too expensive. So the latest story, Mike Florio says his contract, he, he's going to be Garret, almost fourteen million next year. Oh, fourteen million. That would be seven percent of the cap. Who cares? Khalil. Mack is a defensive player making twenty two and a half million who never touches the ball unless it's a strip sack and he's eleven and a half percent of the bears cap, eleven and a half, four AD -fensive player in a sport where defensive. Players are continually handcuffed. By the way Brandin cooks of the Rams he is their third most used wide receiver make sixteen million a year. He's eight percent of their cap, who cares? Who cares? How much of your cap your spending on a position of need viscose back to something else. And I've said this for years, there's always this feeling in football that during the draft you just draft the best player available never need. I don't believe that. And here's why. If my wife said, could you go to the store Honey and get milk and bread? And I came back with a rake and I say I was the best value and she's, we gotta rake. Well as the best value was off forty percent. I gotta rake. She grabbed the right hit me over the head with it because she needed eggs, engineered and milk and bread. This whole thing about just draft the best player available. We'll if the best player available quarterback and you have drew Brees in his prime, you don't draft a quarterback. You sell the pick this year. New England Ola says this. We just get the best player. Lable really this year, go look at who the patriots drafted in the first round. It was not the best players available. They needed a running back because they lost Dion Lewis. They drafted running back and it was a left tackle guard tackle because they lost eight soldier. They went to fill positions of need running back and offensive lineman. Those were not the two best players. You can argue both mo- most people said both were reach a little bit of a reach. If you have keep pieces like that, you don't may. Maybe you get the best player available if you need something, go get anybody at that. How did that work out for the giants this here? Okay. It's all it's all talk about with John. Think Jerry Jones is losing sleep on this. Here's Jerry Jones. I'm gonna read you a quote from Jerry Jones owner of the Cowboys. Here's a quote he had years ago. He said, when I look back on my life, I over paid for my biggest successes every time. And when I tried to get a bargain, I ended up either getting. It and not happy with it. Or missing. Now, think about this in the sixties. This is a gambler, Jerry Jones. He borrowed a million dollars in the sixties. A million dollars was a lot in the sixties from Jimmy Hoffa's Teamster union to buy some Shakey's pizza. Chains. Some some Shakey's pizza was a big chain. It was the Pizza Hut of its time, right? He bought a million dollars from Jimmy Hoffa's teams. You think this is going to make him uncomfortable by the way when he bought the Dallas Cowboys fact, they were losing a million dollars a month. Look it up. They are now the most valuable franchise in the world. When he built Jerry's world, do you know what the budget was for that six hundred fifty million dollars. Do you know what it costs them? One point one billion. The almost it was double the cost, but Jerry kept saying nobody like this. Nobody like that. Bigger scoreboard, better seats, nicer sweets. And now that's the most valuable stadium in America in k. you think you think he's losing sleep because Mario Cooper could be. Seven per cent of the capital can let me. Let me just tell you this works. It's an offensive league, right? We all admit it's an offense league. If your quarterback is eleven to twelve percent of your cap, that average, if your top running back, seven percent, if Amari Cooper, your best receiver, seven percent and you're left tackles five to six percent. You know what that equals thirty percent. That's not a third of your cap. In Twenty-eight teen in the NFL you don't think feeling for Minnesota is not worth six percent of your cap, seven percent of your cap, and you have Stefan digs. You've got a good. I don't think it's that big of a deal. Jerry is a risk taker and oil maverick and his biggest successes have been spending a little more than going bargain. Jerry tells you when I look back every success is over paying in the moment when I tried to get a bargain when I jumped over twenty to get to a five, either get it and don't like it, or I missed out on it. This is an aggressive guy. It's an aggressive brand. The great successes for the Cowboys have been with aggressive, Jimmy Johnson. Remember Jimmy Johnson made that Herschel Walker trade that was an aggressive move. Change the franchise Bill Parcells granted, the NFL change the NFL good. That was an aggressive move at the time. People like what in God's name is Jimmy Joe guts, grace move all time. Jerry was aggressive, bought a team and by the way, cobbled together every nickel he had to buy the Cowboys. I mean, Jerry was not rolling in DOE. He took a huge risk multiple loans to buy the cow, everything. He's done, Jerry's world, six hundred million. No a billion one. So they're not losing the second asleep on this. All right. This is amazing. So the New York Giants. Have just traded defensive tackle Damon Harrison to the Detroit Lions. He very good player, snacks. Harrison. The giants are essentially the given up on the season. They gave up ally manning to the saints for a couple of picks. Knacks Harrison goes to Detroit given up on the season and they should at this point they can't win, get draft picks and get some players, right. And by the way, pro football focus says, the lions have out of the NFL's leader and defensive stops on the defensive interior in each of the past three seasons, not Aaron Donald, this guy, so he's good. We have a lot of traits happening now in the NFL we still got a week to go and a lot of traits, so so yesterday Peter King was on the show. We asked him why suddenly now do we have all these trade going on in the NFL teams more aggressive? The young general managers in young coaches don't necessarily buy that you have to do with the way you used to do it. So the younger GM's and the younger people making the decisions are not necessarily married to their ancestors in the league. Plus it always helps if you can make a trade up through week eight in the NFL instead of through week six. So I like the move, it's aggressive. He's a good player. The lions are like, hey, but I just want to point this out now think about this for a second. So Chicago got Khalil Mack, aggressive and Minnesota went paid, Kirk cousins. They want thirteen games with case keenum. They went super aggressive and got Kirk cousins and Detroit. Here is being really aggressive, who's not in the division. Green bay. I want to give you Green Bay schedule for the next five games at the Rams at the patriots dolphins at home. Not an easy one at Seattle at Minnesota. One in four, the bears got aggressive. The lions just got aggressive, Minnesota was aggressive. We know that aggressive in sports is being rewarded. The warriors had a title aggressively recruited k. d. rockets were good aggressively recruited, Chris, Paul. Red Sox aggressively JD Martinez, dodgers, aggressively, Manny. Machado just to rent. Basically, aggressive is winning in sports. Houston, Justin Burland her aggressive. Okay. Green Bay Packers. Once again, they could certainly use snacks Harrison. Could it use Khalil Mack. Listen to this. This is incredible. So we all admit now that Aaron Rodgers is right. Great. Well, probably the most talented quarterback, I think Brady's the best easily, but the most talented. A nine and a half point underdog. Now. To the LA Rams with Aaron Rodgers. Now, I want you to think about that. What is this telling you about Green Bay? They don't have any players. His Tom Brady ever been a five point underdog. I couldn't tell you the last time, Tom Brady was a four and a half a four point underdog, a feel under his drew Brees in the year. The saints were seven and nine, seven to nine, seven and nine with the bad defense was drew Brees ever a touchdown underdog mood. When Vegas is telling you. It's not like weather's going to be a factor. Sometimes a warm weather team going into a blizzard. Vegas is like no shot. This is a cold weather team with a California quarterback going out west. It's going to be eighty degrees and they're giving him Aaron Rodgers nine and a half points. If vague Cape Baker mayfield's going to Pittsburgh. He gets eight. I mean, so Baker Mayfield a puppy, a baby, a kid against the all time, Steelers who are first or second. The league in sacks biggest is like give Baker eight points. They're giving Aaron nine and a half that is I couldn't tell you the last time. A hall of fame quarterback got nine and a half. I in twenty eighteen maybe in one thousand nine hundred eighty. But I mean think about this Sam darnold a rookie. Nobody would dispute with him about to say, offensive, line running backs, tight end wide receivers. Jets are weak. Jets are bottom. Third in the league in all those, they have a rookie quarterback by the way, they're so beat up at wide receiver. They're bringing. Guys off the street right now, they're just made a trade with Tennessee. They don't mean receivers. They're going to face the bears in cold, Chicago and Sam darnold only a seven point underdog Vegas is like give them a touchdown. Aaron gets nine and a half. Well, I mean if they're not telling you the Green Bay dynamic players, I don't know what else they have to say. I mean that is seriously nine and a half is what the Buffalo Bills get on the road. And we're in an offensive era, were quarterbacks have never been more valuable. So you've got the best one arguably in Vegas like, yeah, this is. This is like this is like the bills on the road with a rookie quarterback. Wow, wow. Is all I can say, all right pack today. Albert brewers around the corner, some NFL news and. Speaking of agass. Luke Walton is in trouble. We'll address that next to her. Be short, a catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, not AM Pacific. Well, here's continues tonight with game too many Machado and the dodgers looked to bounce back from the game, one loss. They take on Mookie Betts in the Red Sox at Fenway park. It's all tonight at seven thirty eastern on FOX and about sports at Fenway park's going to be zoo. They smell blood, west coast, soft, finesse, dodgers. I think it's going to be a great game. Last night felt big. It really did. It felt big Fenway park the crowd. It's on top kind of dark and gloomy and wet, and the dodgers looked uncomfortable, but it was a great game. One of the World Series. We got all sorts of stuff in the NFL. Let's go via the coward global satellite network, ten Burke Greer senior NFL reporter at the Monday morning quarterback at great senior. But let's start with this on the Amari Cooper deal. What is Jon Gruden telling you telling I telling the football world, moving MAC, moving, Amari, Cooper, what are you telling us. Tell us about it roster and he said this to me in August, he said, when he found in January, when he got there was gutted, they didn't feel like they weren't a position to contend for a championship right now. And so I think we need to stop looking at the raiders in the context of twenty eighteen because they're looking at the at themselves in the context of twenty twenty. And so if you can do that, then you start to look at coil MAC differently. Started to look at Amari Cooper differently. Logistically, they just weren't going to give back the guaranteed money that he wanted. And so by definition, he wasn't going to be there in twenty twenty and they liked Amari Cooper. They just don't like him at what he's going to cost in a year or two. He of course it's going to cost fourteen million dollars in that option next year. And then you put them out on the free agent market on before the twenty twenty season, and he's bound to make sixteen eighteen million dollars just based on his draft position. You can see that and what Sammy Watkins got last off season. And so I think that Jon Gruden arrived there feeling like the team needed to go through a full rebuild. And so when. He looks at some players and his roster that have some trade value. And he says, this guy probably isn't going to be here in a couple of years. You can understand why that would motivate him to see what he get those guys and clearly you've got a lot of value for both. Now, I think all of us believe we would like the Amari Cooper deal for Dallas for a third rounder. We'd love it for a second round where we'd be more comfortable, but the Seahawks dynasty didn't ever first round pick for three years, right in the middle of it. The Rams did never first or second this year. A lot of good teams, Kansas City. Philadelphia didn't have first round picks this year. You can win a lot of games if you feel that like for instance, the Cowboys. I don't think they have a ton of needs, but they have a huge need it wide receiver in the NFL in two thousand eighteen. So I'm okay with a move. But you know, Amari Cooper, there's a real divide here on. He's not the player. We thought, what are your sources and scouts? Say about him as a player. Okay. So his character was Quyen coming out of Alabama, hard work. Our program guy all that different stuff. He gets to Oakland his first two years. There was a guy named Bill, must gravy offense of inner twenty fifteen and sixteen. This guy is tough to play four Colin just like Nick Sabin and Amari Cooper in that environment. Purdue's Bill Moscow gets fired after twenty. Sixteen what happens? Well, I think in that building in general and this hit their cars. Well, there's a little bit of a substitute teacher effect on everyone there. And I think there were some problems with the Mark Uber's work habits, and the hope was bringing Jon Gruden that that would change in twenty eighteen and they have seen a little difference is just not Incan. It's just not consistent. And so the work habit issue existed there in two twenty seventeen. It came back in two thousand eighteen. It's been in and out a little bit. They've been in and out with his practice performance. And of course now you see the inconsistency ING in game action as a result. And so the hope for Dallas is the change of scenery is going to help him. They're very aware of all this. They've got a guy in their building in Doug Douglas. Meyer who was his offense coordinator, Alabama. Yeah, they've got good. They've got some good recon there on who he is, a person. He's not a bad guy. Nobody would ever tell you that Amar is a bad guy, but his work habits have been an issue over the course of the last two years. And the hope now in Dallas is that as a twenty four year old receiver being traded, we'll make the light turn on and he'll go back to being the type of player that he was two years ago. Let me throw this. The bears were aggressive with Khalil Mack. The lions are aggressive with snacks. Harrison, the Vikings were aggressive with Kirk cousins, and here's Green Bay with Aaron Rodgers and nine and a half point. Dog to the Rams Vegas is telling you. They don't have good players. Are you? Do you think don't make a move at the deadline? Are you surprised at their kind of passive nature as everybody in their divisions going hyper aggressive. I wouldn't rule it out. I think one thing you gotta remember there's been a frustration for Aaron Rodgers over the last few years. They didn't feel like they had been aggressive historically in bringing in veteran players that. Was under Ted Thompson. Now they've got new general manager in there. Brian goons came up in that system but has by reputation a little bit more of an aggressive streak to him. And you see the way he moved up and down the draft board. Now, of course, they pick up the extra first round pick for twenty nine thousand nine hundred capital. They're very aggressive and moving up and down the draft board on draft day and they did bring in some veteran players this year. They brought in Jimmy Graham, they brought in Muhammad Wilkerson, and so there was some aggression during the off season. I would not rule out the Packers doing something between now and next Tuesday. I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm just saying that organizationally, there are a lot more open to that sort of thing. Now that Brian Gouda Kunst is in charge. And again, maybe it doesn't manifest over the next week or so, but I think you will see it over the next couple of years and how the Packers operate as Aaron Rodgers moves into his late thirty. I've been asking everybody that comes on the show about Latvian belt. Could I make the argument? They're going to get a superstar component to an already good offense with fresh. Legs, no miles on the tires, and it's all gonna work out. Fine and Connor will be a backup. And he is exactly what takes them over a Kansas City over a New England that in a weird way, this is all gonna work out for the Steelers. I worked out for everybody. I mean, I, I honestly do we have to move the money part of it out, you know, because I don't think it was smart for lovey. I'm Bill to pass up money that's not going to be coming back. I don't think there was this huge pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for me there. But if you want to look at it logistically now what this looks like for the rest of the year? Yeah. I mean, they know what James CONNER is now, they probably wouldn't have this amount of all of answers on what he is is a player if love EON. Bell had reported on time and on the flip side from Levy, on Bella standpoint, what's is concerned in the last two months? It's concern over the last two months was he's going to put more mileage on his body and at the running back position. That's a tough thing to do when you're playing for a contract. What happens now while he steps back in there and obviously they can use them in a million different ways. But they can also spell him. He can be part of a platoon, they know that James Connor can help them be a little bit more dangerous and bury their attack a little bit more. So bell I think, is to save some miles on his body going forward to in addition to what he's already saved because they know how to use honor now. And again for the Steelers, I think this is adding another weapon to an already very good offense. This learning to play without him to authencity. They're going to be great. The bigger proportions for for the Steelers, of course calling or were they have been over the last five years which on the defensive side of the ball, by the way, just throw this at you. People are saying ou the eagles are interested. Well, wait a minute. The one thing, the eagles wouldn't have an trade that the Steelers need is secondary help. And right now the eagles have one guy. They trust in the secondary. I don't buy the eagle thing because what Pittsburgh does well as rush the passionate. Okay. Philadelphia's got surplus of that, but nothing else defensively, and I don't think I don't think the running back position is a priority. Right now for the not to say that they might not pick up someone with amid round pick, but but historically, they don't value running backs at that level. They like debt. They like volume at running back, but they don't. Historically again, they don't go all in on running backs. And internally, I'm just telling you they do not view running back as their top need right now. Their biggest problems are at offensive tackle which that is what it is that those positions that they've invested in lane Johnson and Jason Peter, those guys aren't performing to the level of their contract of some depth issues. That receiver of the big place where I think they could make a move is in that secondary. The other round, Ronald Darby haven't played the level they thought they would. And Rodney filed got hurt at safety, and so the eagles are going to make a move. I know it's, you know, we'll be on bells like the shiny thing out there. The heels are gonna make a move. I think it comes in the secondary. This is why we bring him on. He's got great information, incredible contacts at 'em QB lead content guy, senior NFL reporter, trust his words. He's always right Albert Breyer guitar. And you bud. All right. Thanks call by the way. Luke Walton had trouble. We'll get to that in a second. Yikes. I don't buy. He shouldn't be a joy Taylor with the news. This is the third line news. Coach's possibly being in trouble. Jason GARRETT'S job as head coach of the Cowboys is likely in jeopardy. At this point we conversation, we don't really believe that Jerry is going to move on, but it is being talked about. So with that potential some names to replace him bet, decide com. Israel, their odds of who will be coaching. The Cowboys for the teams, two thousand nineteen season bet DS is legit. So we have Josh mcdaniels, Sean Payton, John Filipo, Jason Garrett, obviously, and George Edwards. Sean, Payton bail on drew breeze. I don't think he would. Now, Josh mcdaniels is interesting, but I don't think he'd bail on Bob Kraft. He's helped his family. I don't buy those first two names. I mean, look is only really being the Cowboys. Head coach should be one of the best if not the best job in all of sports for coaches. Yeah, it's a good way out there. Yeah. I mean, just an in general, like the perceives organization, you have obviously the full support of an owner that's willing to spend any amount of money to make things happen. But that's a topic, topical, do a different day. It is not going to have a lot of control be. Yeah. Yeah, it sounds like a great job. Right? Like like Alabama football, if Nick Sabin retired tomorrow, go what a job. That's the worst job in the world. So we're placing Howard Stern, no, like you do not want her place, Bella check in New England. That sounds wonderful place the guy even over replace the guy, replaced the guy. Yeah. So I, I don't think the Cowboys job. It sounds great, but I don't think it is. It's like it's like the next quarterback after Tom Brady retires. It'll pay a lot. Yeah, that that it will. I said, James harden is already feeling the pressure of being the league's wins leader last year. And he also thinks that the rockets are being targeted early the season. He's old USA today. Obviously we haven't won a championship yet, but the way we've been playing, we've done pretty well. So whenever teams come to our home court or we are on the road, they get up for us. So we have got to be ready for that. They play harder. They play a lot more confidence. Now, they've had a kind of a bumpy start at the center of the season. The one of their first three games. They lost a couple. Good players. They added Millo. They got a little chemistry thing going on here too. I'm not panicking about anything this this far in the Lakers lose the Phoenix, the seasons. It is a very. Long season, you know what you're joking, but people are going to be the sky's falling and listen. I didn't think that they were gonna lose and let's say they, they lose a, I work for the headache. I I, they were in every single one of those guys. They should have been this. I, I agree with you. It should've in this great, but it's a very, very long season. I think everyone's going to be. Okay. All right. I do. I do agree. I don't know why the rockets did all these. These aggressive moves being. They were really at Chris Paul injury away from beating the warriors, which at the beginning. Danceable. But I, I do think James harden is right people do get up for for the rockets. Obviously we saw they get by the way they get up for him because there's a feeling in the NBA. Right? I talked to a scout after the year was over. He goes, let me tell you something players are complaining about James heart. Oh, no, it's absolutely a thing. Christine said yesterday, players are tired of it. Coaches are tired of executives are tired of not only the setback thing, just the way that he is affiliated. People feel like it's almost like the quarterback in the NFL. He's just protected offense. Players are protected, and he specifically gets. Officiated differently than everyone else used to be shack. It's why it's part of the reason why Brandon Ingram reacted the way that he did because he hard and gave him the extra shove and he and he reacted and finally the Sixers pistons played a thriller and Detroit last night's which included a theatrical performance by Joel Embiid in the closing seconds of the fourth quarter and be made a layup to give Philly. The lead and then had an amazing amazing flop for the ages. There you go. So the reps hit Drummond under drumming with his second technical on the play. He was ejected and then be felt like he'd throw a little extra muster flop. I'm pro flop as well actually, and after the game and be double down on the trolling with some trash talk and said, he feels like he knows how to get under Germans. Germans skin. Basketball, you try to win the game. Obviously on the second one, you know. Did you see that he in me and his and actually touch my face or that's you know. But like I said, I feel like a lot of leaving his. Feels like he owns a lot of real estate and has had now they lost one thirty three one thirty two to the pistons last night. So it didn't work out as far as the w goes. But Andre, Drummond responded and said, LL does he if that's so he wouldn't be so excited to have me off the floor. I think about it. That's a silly statement. I'll take the w though. Enjoy the flight home hashtag EMMY award winning actor. I just think flopping part of the game. Yup. Tomorrow I mean, obviously they, they're, he's probably going to get fine because this is an insane flop and they want to take those kind of FOX out of the game because that's, that's that's obviously absurd. But I, I think selling selling fouls is part of it. Just like complaining about not getting as part of it, just like coaches throwing tantrums as part of it. It's all psychological part of the game, like sowards joy with news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by heard, lie Cording to Vegas. Luke Walton is the top betting odds for the first NBA coach to be fired over Tom sibito and Fred Hoiberg, and Billy Donovan and Scott Brooks and Terry Stotts and Tyron Lou. Let me defend Luke Walton here. He's not the problem when Luke Walton had stars in Golden State. Remember that Steve Kerr back surgery, laughed. He went thirty nine and four. That's a higher win percentage than Steve Kerr had that year. Number one. Number two is he won thirty five games of the Lakers last year in the west with major injuries and babies. The veteran on the team last year was Casey p who by the way was on house arrest for a month. Westbrook mellow. Stephen Adams, Paul, George one forty eight games Lakers one, thirty five in the west. How I have no idea. I mean, it was like baby's, okay, Luke Walton is not the issue, and here's something I always look at. Do you make players better? Brad Stevens to me is the best coach in the NBA Jae Crowder Isaiah, Thomas Avery Bradley play great with Brad Stevens. They leave Brad Stevens. They're not the same player that tells you Brad Stevens a good coach. By the way. Quin Snyder is a great coach. Joe Ingles was a bounce around guy from Australia. He averages twenty a game with Quin Snyder. He's a twenty five and five guy, Joey Ingalls which just a bounce around cash paycheck, ten day contract guy. He gets into Quin Steiner system. He's a real threat. He the twenty point game guy better be guarding Joe Ingles. Okay. Everybody that played with Luke Walton gets better Jordan. Clarkson had people fooled for three years. People like Jordan. Clarkson should be starting. He went to Cleveland left. Luke Walton Nash got one of the worst contracts in the league can't play. So I always look. Do players get better with you? Are they their best with you, Brad Stevens? You can't even argue. I mean, Jay, Crowder. Isaiah Thomas Avery Bradley, like everybody, everybody's better and in the Joe Ingles in Utah. He's like a borderline all star. There are nights that he's the most dangerous guy on the floor for either team. Okay. Players play good with everybody. They give him Kouzmin, Josh heart Lonzo ball. They'll play well, all these babies, they're all better than we thought. And then and Brandon Ingram, everybody's getting better Jordan Clarkson by the way people out of here loved in LA, love Nance. He goes to Cleveland. He's a guy. And here, you know, Luke is young. He played in the league. He cerebral LeBron likes thinkers. Remember when LeBron went to Miami, he didn't know about our expulsion. Spoelstra was like Luke Walton, but d. Wade was like Duke and coach. So d. Wade had -sposed was back and in the Braun bought into Magic, Johnson needs to have Luke's back. Luke's not the problem now I thought he was over height when he got the job yet y'all made him out to be Phil Jackson. Luke's not the issue. He's young. He's not rigid. He is smart. He's a thinker. He gets personnel and people get better. He's not perfect. But I mean folks the fact they won thirty five games last year, and they're veteran was Casey. P I mean, dropped Mike, walk off the stage. I think it's pretty obvious they magic has looks back based off of the comments from lavar and everything that happened last year. I, it's pretty obvious that Luke is backed by the organization. But that was pre LeBron James and we know how LeBron has say over personnel, I don't. I think it's ridiculous that loose job is even is even in question. But the Lakers are not the type of organization to just fire a coach. In the middle of the season, we couldn't figure it out before the season. So we got issues. It's called lack of three pointers. They night they need shooters. They don't need a new xactly exactly. Joel class around the corner. We're going to have a toast. Get the champagne out Joel Klatt for the first time ever and I will agree on something we'll we'll share a toast with some bub get the bubbly that it's going to be a good day for Klatten I we may not be at each other's throats that's coming up sleeping in casper bestmattress I've ever slept on casper dot com. Code heard. Get your fifty bucks off. Select mattresses. Risk-free hundred nights ship it for free. Don't like it ship it out without a man that I argue with. It's contentiously on a regular basis. This week, we may actually have something in common. Let's bring in the voice of college football at Fox Sports and Fs. One Joel Klatt very exciting. This is very exciting day. What's up man. Angel, how are you? Good. We often disagree we do and there's a couple of things on my sheet here will disagree with, okay, but you and I should toast and you don't have boy come on over here. Let's toast. Wait. What do we toasting to? We were the only two guys in America right on Jim Harbaugh. Celebration. Claim just not to ruin the cheers. Curious, no one else was to these were the only two people would be the Gailey on her loss to people. You don't think people have been bailing on Harbaugh. It's embarrassing, and by the way he's got total control of the conference. Now right now, I mean, listen, they haven't won the division. They have won the conference. But right now they looked to be the favourite with the struggles that our house stages haven't. You know that Ohio State has given up more plays of thirty or more yards than every team in college football, except for to do you know who those two are, who Kent state and Yukon. Boy, Ohio State to man. It's it's interesting. Listen the by week comes at a good time for them after that loss to Purdue. But they struggle in the red zone offensively and they really Schroeder giving a big place and all they can do is throw the ball. They can't watch out for Michigan, listen. So I'm going to throw this out there. This is going to make Ohio State fans mad, urban, Myers history is this. He comes into your program, any wins immediately and big. And then by the end of it, Florida, Ohio State there are holes created well, we don't know if this is the end. Holes, Kent state and Panera bread, whoever that was. Did you tell me you don't get a prominent state by the way, there's the opposite. Harbaugh does not come into your program and hit. He doesn't. It took him. It Stanford three years to get rolling, took over a one and eleven to buy urban Meyer took over bowling. Green, Florida was a mess with Ron zook. He by the way, Ohio State was six and seven. Luke fickle. Urban comes in and hits home runs out of the chute Harbaugh's a slow builder. See, I would disagree. Here's what my only pushback is. We haven't seen Harbaugh in a fifth year anywhere. Well, fourth year, right. I mean, so this is what we're seeing right now is is a new, a new era of our. I think he's going to be a Michigan for wall. Here's the thing I know about Michigan. They play great defense. They lead the country and total even his lead the country in passing defense. They can get to the quarterback even without Rashawn Gary on the field and offensively they're good enough. They. Run the ball really well with Koran Higdon. And if Jim Harbaugh, here's the achilles heel for Michigan. If Jim and pep Hamilton, who's kind of the pseudo see if they just let shape play a little bit, yes. He needs a little school yard in them, you know who needs them little Baker, Mayfield God. That's why guys a little borderline trouble. But meaning that they've got great threats down the field, very similar to what Sam etlinger is doing. A Texas allow your big threats downfield to win for you to create big plays. If they allow shade to do that, then they're going to be very dangerous. But right now they are the best team in the big ten right now by the way, that's all I'm saying. There's a lot if you look at Ohio State blown out by Iowa blown out by Purdue when Michigan's losing under horrible, they are in these games to that last second. Ohio states is become like once twice a year. They don't show it's alarming. It is. There's no question. It's Lawrence alarming. So here's a, here's a quick. You can sit and Dwayne Haskins. Great. But for a while state fans, this is what you need to be concerned about the four hundred yards. A game is great for the last three games. He's thrown for four hundred yards. But did you know that the seventy three pass attempts last week against Purdue or an Ohio State record? Yes. You knew that archly stir had like fifty two. That was the previous record. Well, did you know that to tongue via low at Alabama has attempted seventy two passes over his last four games. So Haskins throw seventy three against Purdue throws for four over four hundred yards. Seems like a decent performance to vilo has thrown seventy two times in his last four games. Colin guess what? He's done in those four games a thousand thirty three yards and thirteen touchdowns in seventy two attempts. We you're, you're basically telling me Rhys Hieaux states getting gashed on defense and can't run the football. That's really opposite of Ohio states brand. There's something wrong in Ohio states program. That's the truth. Now they have a bye we'll see if they can get it fixed. I think they've got good players. They're offensive line should be better. They got. Running backs that should be better John Dobbins and Mike Weber and four weeks, Jim, I was gonna say, bye bye. Ohio State, I run the pet conference. Here's the thing. We haven't seen it. We haven't seen it from Harbaugh. That's the only wait and see to our cheers. That's what joy is waiting for for her. Cheers is if Ohio State could actually be a Michigan, this yellow, right? You're going to be like, see you guys. I told you I told state has had told you to pump the brakes on Jim harbach. I, I am not. I've never been out on Jim Harbaugh. I'm just saying the maybe there were a few more people in on Jim. I thought it was. I don't think anybody in the world. I don't think anybody at. Certainly there was only two in one of them is a got a book. No, it's a good case. So I'm looking at your top ten k. and what did they went into the BCS? I come out. It was. It was five years ago, but the playoff raking comes out Tuesday. This coming Tuesday up next Tuesday, Thursday night of very exciting. By the way, don't be surprised if LSU's number two in the playoff Paul, but go ahead. So I'm looking at your top ten. I gotta be honest with you is pretty good. I know. Thank you. Know Bama Clemson, Notre Dame. I trust guy. MS, Joyce Michigan. I don't love their offense of line. I don't know. I think they're gonna win the big ten. The run for over two hundred yards a game giving up less than one and a half sacks per game, but go ahead, go ahead. I don't know when I watch him something doesn't quite feel right in that spot. Everything else. I love love the coach, I think, shape Patterson, the little Johnny Mandel. Love the defense, good pressure, receivers, downfield off into your question, Mark. I can buy that. So I by the way. So you have Bama Clemson, Notre Dame, Michigan. I guess I just what I'm saying is the first three. I totally trust. I kind of feel Michigan's closer to LSU in Texas. I don't quite yeah. There's again, there's a little gap with a three and the fullest. Be honest. The gap is between one and then everybody else. This feels a little bit like Tiger Woods in two thousand Pebble Beach winning by twelve or fifteen, whatever was in in the tournament for second place at Ernie. Els actually one was the incredible tournament than no one talks about, but I, I will say this if there are two teams out there that I think are. Dangerous enough and actually could compete with Alabama. It would be Oklahoma and Clemson. I've been saying how state that's clearly gone by the wayside. But Oklahoma is this this interesting theory and with with Oklahoma? Yeah, they're not gonna care to us going off because there goes well. Yeah, because it's like, well, we see this whole time weakened weak outward like fifty to forty nine shootouts. So is it really gonna bother Oklahoma if to throws for four hundred yards? I'm so glad you brought up Oklahoma. Do you know what Oklahoma's averaging per game on what what I mean? Can I get a category? Does Amer housing? Well, what what matters point? That's the way in the household forty, eight on almost forty. Nine. Last year, but Baker Mayfield average forty, five. I'm just saying, what does your point? My my point? How many wins did Cleveland have last year. Zero. Oh, how many wins do they have this year to boom sauce. How many do they have to have three the gun overtime every week I'm not. I lose count, got two or three. They got a joke. Graham, all I'm saying is Oklahoma, and everybody's gonna get mad at me for saying this. What I'm going to say his facts and I don't care. Why are you taking this into the Mayfield? No, I'm not decision even if I don't wanna. I don't wanna beat you over the head with Mayfield almost say this Lincoln Riley, eastern Illinois, eastern Illinois. What have you scare? Let's keep kids Carolina. Okay. And the quarterbacks are amazing and Baker Mayfield amazing. And then I'm watching this little guys a baseball player and he's amazing. Oklahoma's offense looks the exact same as last year. How many ways saying the Cleveland Browns have with Baker Mayfield versus every other quarterback that previous six hundred days at doesn't. I just wanna know by the way I just want to know, does that not matter? Do they not play to win the game? We're just playing for what listen. You can talk about wins all I want. Yes, I can't. Thank you. Lay. Who do you side with on this? Because joys obviously anti both of us. I mean, she admitted joy doesn't even get the greatness of our. Trying to keep keep a sound perspective around here. That's all I gotta tell you this though. These people are crazy. These anti Harbaugh people. I was gonna say the anti Mayfield people. But yeah, anti Harbaugh. People drive me nuts thing and Ohio State fans. You're guilty of this thirty seconds compliment Michigan without people are getting all upset. It's like, listen, Michigan's really good, and you're going to have to deal with them this year and actually look by the way a quick little. Some picks out there Purdue watch out for Purdue. They're going to Michigan state. I think Purdue could win this week and Stamford's likely to beat Washington state. Last year wash. They beat US unit Friday night. The next week they went to Callan got drilled. Now's good stuff is letting you know, joy, you go back and look at that tape, chairs, chairs, Klatt on plan fan, club clue. Cheers grew decided. Our three here we go live in Los Angeles iheartradio, Fox, Sports, radio f s one wherever you may be in. However, you may be listening, joy, Taylor, and I've been a lively first couple of hours. Raw Parker stopped by Albert breer stop by. We just had Joel Klatt in studio tonight game to joy of the World Series. This is the World Series. Listen, baseball is intensely popular locally, but to make it work at a World Series to get the biggest stars in need above the need, a Yankee. You need to come. You need a dodger so World Series game two tonight at Fenway park dodgers against the Red Sox. Pregame starts at seven eastern. Well, let's talk about game one. The dodgers Red Sox took game one and the dodgers just really looked out of sorts to me first and the job, heck your first week at a job. Raise your hand. If you're driving in your car, don't raise your hand, keep them on the wheel. Otherwise, raise your hand. If you had a first day on the job in the last ten years, you know what that you're always in that first day on the job fog, you gotta meet a bunch of people and you can't remember half their names. Where's the bathroom? You got the IT guys trying to set you up. You gotta go to human resources and fill out that first day on the job that first week on the job, you don't know what floor this bosses on you. You forget which hallway to take to your cubicle. You're in that first week on the job. I and the job fog and the dodgers. We're in a fog last night, warm weather, Los Angeles, cold wet damp, windy. Fenway park Fenway park's the quirkiest in baseball. This is not an excuse. I still think Boston's gonna win the series. And I think Boston has more good players, but the dodgers got a break last night, Chris sale the as for the Red Sox was not on his best stuff couldn't finish the fifth. It didn't matter. The dodgers didn't look comfortable defensively. I mean, good. God. Fenway park has garage door in center. You're telling all these guys Nell a nationally guys who never played there. Yeah, there's this ballpark. There's a monster and left in a garage door and center. They didn't look comfortable but didn't manage comfortable. In fact, the only two guys that actually hit one of them was Manny Machado. The David freese not coincidentally guys who had played and hit at Fenway park before there was a moment in the seventh inning jock Peterson came in, and this always happens whenever you substitute a guy, hitting the ball finds him immediately right. So John Peterson comes in Joe buck with a call. Listen. Pops it up. Left side. Long-run Peterson just ended. It came, can't make the play. It's a double the ball usually finds the new guide and on a cold night, Jack Peterson could not get there. I mean, he didn't know where the bathrooms were. He didn't know where the cafe was. He was just dealing with the IT guy. Dodgers looked so uncomfortable last night. And by the way Fenway park I've been to it is so quirky and so unique from every other park in major league baseball. Forget the garage door and center. The fans are right on top of you in Los Angeles fans are more casual, and they show up in the second inning at Fenway. They show up at batting practice and the right on top of you. It looked dark. It looked cold, it looked wet. It was windy this. This was the classic example. And you've seen this before warm weather team in the NFL goes to a cold weather site, or sometimes the cold weather bears go down to warm, weather, Miami, and just melt the dodgers looked out of sorts all night. But this this is not a shock that is the quirkiest home field advantage doesn't generally mean a ton in baseball. It's basically if you got your ace going, you quiet the crowd, but Fenway park's one of those rare. Spots fans on you whether or not Tober totally loud and intense with all these quirks nooks and crannies dodgers need to show up early for batting practice take more infield because that gate even got a break last night and they just didn't look right at all at all. And by the way, the National League series, they just came out of with a chess match analytically driven, Boston's a totally different team. Boston's like, here's our nine guys. They're really good better than years beat us. This is not going to be a fight against Mayweather, whereas jab jab, moved JAT. Now this has Tyson is prime. They're coming after you, the hyper aggressive Red Sox put their nine guys out there and they just come after you and not that they don't like analytics, but it's not the brewers. It's not multiple trips to the mound. They're going to put out there. Same guys, the dodgers went analytics with their lineup yesterday out thought the room and looked absolutely at the like they were in the wrong place. At least last night. All right. I want to shift to this. There was a fight in the NBA Saturday night rockets Lakers, and Chris, Paul was in the middle of it. He plays for the rockets and Rondo was in the middle and Rondo plays with the Bron James. And you can like I said, you blame whoever you want. Looks like Rondo Spitz and Rondo got more game suspension. Then Chris, Paul did in Rondo fired back yesterday. He really fired back by the way fired back at LeBron's best friend. He said everybody wants to believe Chris balls, good guy. They don't know. He's a horrible teammate. They don't know how he treats people. I was going to let it rasp, but I have kids and I teach my kids to speak up for themselves and don't let the world tell your story. Well, I would never bring up an athlete's kids, but since Rondo brought up his kids, let me ask him this. You also tell your kids. If you've been difficult every place you work, you get a reputation and you're not gonna get the benefit of the doubt here. Tell your kids that. That's also part of the story here since you brought him up. The bottom line is Chris, Paul is demanding. I've worked with a lot of demanding people. You can work with demanding people. I'm demanding. I've worked briefly with difficult people and their their gasoline on any fire there, instigators law provocateurs. They're trying to start trouble. All you need to know about Chris. Paul is the pelicans and the clippers got worse when he laughed and the rockets got better when he arrived and he's always gotten along with his coaches, Doc Rivers, and Chris Paul, the reputation was players resented how well they got along that Doc Rivers, and Chris, Paul were too close. Rondo can't get along with anybody. Rondo couldn't get along with Doc Rivers. He couldn't get them in Boston fast enough. He couldn't get along with Rick Carlisle in Dallas at Carlisle. I covered in Portland, maybe the nicest guy I've ever met in pro sports, Rick Carlisle's the nicest guy in the NBA. Everybody loves Rick Carlisle, Rick Carlisle could not get Rondo outta town fast enough. So there's a big difference between demanding Chris, Paul's demanding. He was demanding, Blake, Griffin, hit your free, throws learn to hit of three, Blake Griffin, de'andre Jordan, be in the right place at the right time. That's demanding. Rondos dot going to get the benefit of that out in this fight. She's not going to get the. He's not as good as Chris Paul, Chris, Paul has multiple examples raise left teams. They've gotten worse, entered a team. They got better. I mean, the New Orleans was garbage. Chris. Paul ends up in New Orleans. They have their best years leaves. The going to the tank clippers were embarrassing for years goes Los Angeles Clippers aren't embarrassing, beat the cross down. Lakers rockets were kind of like plateau, oh, he goes over to James harden, it won't work. Oh, it does. He even got along with James harden, who's a guard, who shoots a lot. You can say what you want about Chris, Paul, but he's worked with Doc Rivers. He worked in New Orleans. He's working with Dan Tony. He's telling me who Rondos work with. I mean, tell me nobody. That's not demanding. That's difficult. And by the way, LeBron and Crispell our best friends and. And you. Just through LeBron's best friend under the bus net, not good. That relationship I guarantee you is going to be strained from this point forward. Chris. Paul has got a lot more friends in this league than Rondo does. He's a better player than Rondo is. And that goes without saying, and by the way, rob Parker brought up a very interesting point earlier that if this is indeed the year sort of of discovery for the Lakers, they're not a title team, and I believe that's true we, we've called it. Everybody's auditioning, especially to the trading deadline because you can't trade all these land Stevenson's in Rondos till December, okay, you're not allowed to. So if this is the year of auditioning one on just play Lonzo ball, and I'll talk more about that around the corner plus coming up next, buy sell and hold one of our favorite games. Lot of stuff going on in sports lotta show to go one more heard the herd streams, twenty four hours a day, seven days a week within the iheartradio app search her to listen, live or on-demand. And whenever you like. So I was listening to radio yesterday, Gary Danielson college football guy for CBS, and he was on with the mad dog Russo and they were talking about Nick Sabin and the relationship Gary has with him having done the SEC game of the week for years and Gary Danielson said Nick, Lexa, talk ball, and if you wanna talk ball, nickel, go all day. If you're not trying to get some, you know you're trying to trying to trap neck. But if you wanna talk about ball, Nick Sabin, he'll invite you in the off season. Come sit in his office. Let's talk ball. Bella check. Does the same. I've a friend a very good friend who about a year ago before a patriot game, but two and a half hours before was on the field and was introduced through Bob, Kraft to Bella check. Bell check likes to talk ball, and if you wanna find the warmness in his heart, ask them a smart question and Bill will go on and on about it. He does this about once every two weeks. It's not his fault. If you don't come prepared to the press conference, if you're going to interview Bill bell check, then. Come prepared, but he he's got to tell in the the way to his heart is ask him a football question that you genuinely want to know the answer to and he's a great teacher and savings a great teacher and yesterday, Bella checks look at how long the answer is talking about James white. What makes him special. He's always been a very hard worker very diligent guy, noses assignments. Very, very well. Ask questions like a coach would ask them billion think really far ahead what problems could occur on certain FRANZ. He just knows more and like Tom has it his position or Devon has it is position or Patrick and his position Hightower guys like that. He said he had questions like a coach. What does that mean? Well, if you were talking to another coach about a play coach, would think ahead to what are the problems that could come up on this? They do this if they do that if they do something else, what if this, what? If this guy lines up here instead of there, it's not just what's my assignment. It's okay. Well, what if these other things happen? You know how, how do we handle it will be going to switch it or we're going to stay with him. I going to, you know, could I make this call? Could I make that call that's called by the way in business second line thinking, not just what's my job, but what happens if this goes wrong? What happens if this occurs? That's why the patriots generally have more guys with. College degree in the roster than anybody else. But ballot check. Once again, if you ask a question in your genuinely interested, not snarky not fishing for some. You're generally genuinely interested in learning stuff. Save it and Bella check will they'll talk. They like talking ball, their teachers. They liked that they love doing it, but a lot of times the Boston media's fishing for some looking for some looking ahead for some bills, not going to give you information to help an opponent. So if you're asking about Cincinnati and they play Cincinnati, gonna give anything. But if you ask a moment, I got a question about, what do you notice the reporter goes? Well, what do you mean by that? And Bill tells a story and it's like, oh, okay, there's a way to everybody's heart. Mine is a good bowl soup. I was gonna say, bread. Put put the most soup in Brad, Brad? Yeah, you Brad and a good bowl of soup. And I just go on forever. I'm the nicest guy. Adam cranky. All right here we do it. It's called on the stockbroker. You're looking for a tip by seller. Hold here. We go time to. That golly will decide if he'll by high it so or hole old. Or hole old mysolar hold. The patriots will not lose another game. This is we're not going to lose many, but they still in a passing league, have a dilemma. They don't have much of a pass rush and remember five of their next seven games are on the road and they're only one and two on the road this year. They're a better team at Foxboro. That goes without saying, I think they're gonna lose another game, but I do think they'll win their division because they have to rookie quarterback in it. Although Miami's always given them troubles down in Miami, but John sell sell, sell, patriots will lose another game by so hold. Lithium bell will be Philadelphia. Eagle will as elva Breyer told you earlier, the eagles don't spend a lot of money at running back. Also, maybe in belt does not need to show up until week, ten. He's got a show up after four eastern next Tuesday. And before we ten, and then he will control a situation shows up before that. They can trade it and he doesn't show up to that. They can move it. Selenium bell just wants to control the situation. Trade deadline is next Tuesday, October thirtieth. And by the way, as much as girly God as much as girly God, generally teams that loved their quarterback like big band, don't wanna pay a boatload for the quarterback and the running back. They'll make a choice on that right now. Arizona will pay the running back because they're not paying the quarterback much right? Josh Rosen young. So I would say John sell sell sell, maybe in never be an eagle by solar. Hold Cam Newton and Aaron Rodgers will both miss the playoffs. Well, both right now we're in the wild card position and both have tough stretches. I think there's two things to look at Vegas is telling you the truth, Green Bay's, and nine and a half point underdog this weekend, which is incredible Vegas telling you. They're not that good there. Simply not an elite football team, a nine and a half point. NFL spread is what you give the Buffalo Bills or rookie quarterback Sam darnold only getting a touchdown this weekend with no offensive weapons in a wide receiving corps. They're picking guys off the street in Chicago against the bears pass rush. The second thing is Carolina's never had back to back winning season, so they're always rollercoaster. So even though they beat Philadelphia and look, great, they're now a home dog this week Vegas telling you don't trust Carolina. So John, I think Cam and Aaron are going to be close. I think in week, seventeen. We're going to be asking the question, but I don't think I don't think they're probably playoff teams buy sell or hold, Derek Carr will get traded before the end of the season. I do think it's a real possibility that Derek Carr gets traded. I would not trade Derek Carr, but Jacksonville. Got pieces if the Shawn Watson got hurt. Again, if you were Houston, you could trade some pieces like there's a handful teams. Marcus mariota doesn't make the playoff. They got some pieces. Miami tannehill doesn't make the playoffs gets hurt. Again, they got pieces, Derek Carr, being traded, I think is still on the table. But the question is trading MAC and trading Cooper. If you trade Derek Carr, you completely lose the locker room. So John sell sell sell. I do not believe Derek Carr. We'll get traded before the end of the season. I would not trade him, but it looks like what gruden's telling you is we need a new roster and you could get a lot, don't kid yourself. You could go to Jacksonville and get a first round pick in a star defensive end for Derek Carr. Last one by Ciller hold Boston will sweep the three major championships. Now, think about this. That means the Celtics would have to beat the warriors. Have picked that it would mean the Red Sox who lead the dodgers one. Oh, would beat the dodgers I picked that you would think the patriots guy right? That I would love New England. Going forward to win, but I don't think they match up with the Rams. I'm not sure they match up with the LA chargers and win. Eric berry comes back and just Houston for the chiefs. And I think I think Kansas City is going to win their division. I don't think they can win in January in Kansas City. If it's this chiefs offense and I get Rick berry and John Huston with the Ford. The other way, I would take Kansas City in that game. So John sell sell sell. I actually think not the Celtics, but the patriots going forward are not going to have home field against the chiefs. And a second time I would take Kansas City in that game people from remember this. Eric berry. The safety for the chiefs is a one of the top five athletes in the league. Eric berry is an incredible athlete. He is the only in a league that locked takes gronk out of the game. He takes wrong. He took gronk out of the game. It was last year. So he's coming back. So's Justin Houston to go with d Ford, then tala face a pass, rush. Gronk will be out and you gotta stop with no pass, rush that Kansas City offense. I think it's a real tough row and if they get to the Super Bowl, I just don't think they match that with the Rams because what ballot check does is take your best weapon away, right? We know that joy. Well, I'm gonna take Todd Gurley away. All right. Well, we'll just sort of one of these three, great receivers. I think there are a nightmare. Matchup Rams are a tough tough match for the patriots tour of the news. Heard on the news. This is the third line, new raiders John Gerns second stint as head coach at the raiders is off to a rough start in it. Now sounds like he's quickly lost the trust of many of his players according to Vic taper of the athletic. Many of the players I've talked to question the coaches, accountability. It was the way the trades handled that is bothering veteran players when what you say and what you do or two different things. There's a problem. One player who requested anonymity said. This is the problem that I have with the situation. I've never understood why an organization, an executive coach, a GM feels the need to go to the players and tell them there's not gonna be any moves. Mate players are not stupid. They understand there's a business side export. That's why they get a check every day every week. I mean, it always the potential of moves being made. Don't there's no need to lie about it. This is what would Gruden got hired. I said this right after Labor Day Gruden came to this organization as a TV personality, not as a football coach. He'd been a TV personality for decade and TV personalities, talk and have to be interesting in gruden's. I ten days with this organization, two weeks. He kept talking and thank stuff and you're like, John, you're not on television. The guys that talk in this league too much get into trouble, Bella checks, figured it out. So Gruden has got about thirteen quotes and most were in the first two week. And it's like, John is now tapering back over the last week or two, but you gotta be careful the information give out because it'll come back to haunt you now and also players talk to each other. Like I'm sure that the story that Khalil Mack has the version that he has a about how things were handled has been discussed in the locker room. Everyone knows how things we really went down and now you've created a an environment of distrust between the executives and the coaches, and the players, and you're not gonna clear all the veteran players out of of a system when you come in and the way that they're selling players off one NFC south front office executive told Mike Freeman, quote, this is the most blatant example of team tanking that I've ever seen. Players aren't tanking, but well and I don't know how much you can really tank. The NFL aren't the giants sort of what are the giants doing? It feels like the raiders similar to me feels very obvious that they don't wanna pick. They don't wanna pull the band aid off the scab publicly. John's not going to say of a move off. At car. Giant going say, I'm moving off Eli manning, but tanking in the NFL looks like what the raiders are doing and what the giants are doing, which is we're gonna, get draft picks give up really good players. I mean, by the way, snacks, Harrison, the giants are really good player. Eli, apple was the first rounder Amari Cooper Khalil Mack. When you give up with a losing record and you give up star players, you're basically there's got to be a different word. It's not tanking. Its own haring. I don't know the word strategizing, that's that's a fancier way of what they're doing. Saying what they're really doing. But I mean, Khalil Mack. I don't know if that fits in that situation because that was at the beginning of the season. But Amari Cooper is Cooper, maybe. But I, I don't know. I also feel like someone like Khalil Mack is not a replaceable player. You're not going to get that in the draft. So I mean, I mean, I guess you could get in the drop down the drop it. Are you really counting on that and as a position of needs. So I, I'm not. I'm not a big fan of like, let's get all these draft picks you better. Be good at drafting then because that's what you're facing, the future of your fantasize on. So the follow from the Chris Paul Rajon Rondo saga continues, especially after Rondos comments about Paul yesterday being a bad teammate and Nelson. Other players and former players are taking sides, including Glenn Davis. He posted this comment on Instagram yesterday, saying, I played with both of them. CPA three is very bad team. Glenn Davis didn't like doc. Glenn Davis didn't like Chris Paul. And so remember there was there was all of that divide between Blake Griffin and Chris, Paul and Austin rivers, and the Andre Jordan, Blake Griffin. Kind of against Chris Paul because of the Doc Rivers situation here with the clipper k. k. call the clipper players who's done the best in the last year Chris. Paul also, Chris, Paul had to adjust the playing with James harder, but they, he went to Houston. They won ten more games. Got really outplayed the warriors. I don't know how much too. I mean, there's there's multiple versions of whether he's a bad teammate or not. But I do think his reputation amongst players, his not is not great. That's probably why no one. Well, it it is a lie fights on football. You're not pampered. Basketball players are pampered. A u. college basketball in football. You get barked at football's my whole life plan, football football coaches put on the gear. The shield is the star, even Aaron Rodgers like be quiet, don't talk publicly basketball. It's kind of like the elevations of the young man. Nike comes after you at fourteen and the you've come coach comes after you swag at seventeen, and then the college basketball coach. To stay for one year and in the NBA you can get coach fired. So when you get a guy like Chris, Paul, who is rough on players in the manning a lot of players just recoil they can't take it. Well, I would agree with all the things you're saying on that end, but I do think there is a checks and balances amongst players, and that's that's sort of element of what's going on here with Chris fall. Like Rondo doesn't just step to Chris Paul and punch him in the face because he just was tired of Chris. Paul in the game on Friday. There was a long history of build up leading up to this. And that's why I think some other players are weighing in on this and just coming after Chris, Paul and the situation finally big Lakers. You know that Koby Bryant worked tirelessly at his crafts, and a lot of that was in the gym shooting in the gym. And he recently revealed in his book that he took up tap dancing. No little Tom Brady extra work, putting in stuff going on here. This response them spraining his ankle. In the two thousand finals. He's on Jimmy Kimmel live and Jimmy Kimmel live and explained during the parents in order to protect your ankles. You learned to tap dance? I did. Why didn't we know this. Well, kept secret for obvious reasons. They make tap shoes in your size. You had to get a mate, had to get him back. Can't go to like store and be like, hey, y'all think they'll size fourteen. But first class I'll walk into the studio and it's always like six year old. Seven really straight up man studio, Santa Monica, and these kids are looking at, you know. Learn to tap dance. It's really a funny visual of Kobe locking in there with size, fourteen tap. Dan Toby's always been, you know, could Kobe too bright dude. Kobe's a very is a fascinating guy. I mean, he was always one of the most obsessed guys, and then he's been very obsessed about business post basketball. He's, you know, Kobe is very different. He's very different. You know, Michael Jordan sorta now hides and Kobe kinda hides within his business like Kobe's Koby's completely transitioned his brand. Now he's business. He's like, he's like laid back. He's like, you know, we're with a young player. Kobe's next, I think Kobe's done very well post basketball. He's looked smart. He's hit it out of the park with projects. And I mean, I gotta be honest with you. Koby has been an elegant retiree. A lot of people retire in sports. They're broken down there. Pathetic. They're hustling every nickel they can make. Kobe has retired and looks really refined. He's, he's. Managed everything very, very, very well that if they went, oh and five, he would consider coming back. For the San Antonio game, I joy with the news. Well, that's the news. Thanks for stopping by heard lie. This is the way it works and it works this way in a lot of different areas. You know, like in football, if you have the really conservative rigid football coach, Jeff, Fisher defense and you fire him, you go, let's hire Sean McVay, clever offense in Chicago, John FOX, defensive guy guy, get him out of there. Let's get young clever, Matt, Nagy, offensive guy. Bill Parcells is a dictator. We don't like him. Let's go away Phillips. He's a player's coach. What basically happens in light. This happens in relationships. You know, you date the bad boy and like you catch him cheating. And then you go to the conservative guy who you know his home every night at five after work. But you may get bored because there was something about the wild crazy bad boy that that did it for you. We tend the pendulum in life swings back and forth. If we get tired of something, we go the opposite way we go the extreme. Here's what's. Interesting about the Rondo fight is that Rondo is an instigator. He's intense, he's inconsistent. Personality wise. The opposite of Rondo is Lonzo ball, who is LA, chill LA, laidback incredibly consistent personality. I think Rondo LeBron can make Rondo work and LeBron can make Lonzo worked. He can make both of them work. He's going to choose Lonzo because LeBron is gonna get worn out by Rondos inconsistent play. There's TV Rondo and Tuesday and Denver Rondo. There's playoff Rondo regular season Rondo that his reputation in the league. He's an instigator, he's intense. He's highly verbal when LeBron gets tired of him. The perfect guard is Lonzo who is totally chill. In fact, the knock on Lonzo he's to chill. He's not verbal. He's not confrontational. Did you watch how LeBron handled the fight? He was the peacemaker. Remember last year there was a fight for the Lakers Lonzo like disappeared, even handle fights the same way. I think the winner in this Rondo debacle is Lonzo ball, who has the opposite personality. We do this football all the time. We got the old crusty defensive coach, get rid of him. We go young, progressive, offensive, coach, you have the dictator l. let's get the players coach and we generally go too far one way, and then we swing way back the other way. And this is how it works relationships. If you have the docile boring husband, you go to the party boy. Then you realize, you know what? I don't like being up at four in the morning three times a week. So I think Lonzo ball's, the winner in this mess. Good show today. Rob Parker, Albert Breyer, and a Joel Klatt coming up. Next, an absolute must win game for Los Angeles tonight. Best for last I heard. World Series continues tonight with game. Two is Manny Machado, and the dodgers looked to bounce back from game one loss. They take on maybe beds and the Red Sox at Fenway park. It's all tonight at seven thirty eastern on FOX and the Fox Sports app Jayme to David price starts postseason struggles are well documented, but he finally had a great start against the Astros in the American League championship series. So David price is going, Manny. Machado is hit him through the years. In fact, I saw the numbers this morning, five career home runs and forty four at bats against him. So Manny, Machado and David price. Price is always been one of those guys a little temperamental, little moody, postseason a little emotional. We'll see how it works by the way. So Jon Gruden clearly doesn't like the roster. Right. And I'm just thinking about this. He grew obviously, Khalil Mack is great. I can get picked for him. Amari Cooper can get picks what basically gruden's telling you. I don't like the rostrum much. Okay. Let me just say this. We got. We got a week left at the trading deadline. If you want, if you want to more first round picks trade, Derek, Carr. I mean, clearly you and Derek Carr avenue issues. Clearly gruden's have an issue in the locker room. Clearly there players in the locker room having trouble with their at car. Like I like Derek Carr. I'm just telling you this on the open market. You can get a lot for Derek Carr. You can get a lot for Derek Carr. I wouldn't trade him if I was Gruden, but clearly Gruden you're having issues stop whenever stuff leaks out. I've always said this. It's not just what comes out in the story. It's that the story comes out. And when a story start leaking about players are losing their love for Derek Carr. Why is that getting out? Because somebody wanted out and what that tells you that story gets out because somebody wanted out, right? If people don't want stuff out in the news, it New England never leaks anything. I don't hear anything leaking out of the Rams. I don't hear anything leaking out of the. Eagles. I'm hearing a lot leak out on the raiders. Gruden's got a lot of media contacts that story coming out on Derek Carr. He's lost the locker room that only comes out to somebody wanted out inside the raiders and that tells you they're probably moving off, Derek Carr. Why don't you go full rebuild? You got to weaken until the training deadline until next Tuesday. Do you have an option sides full rebuild at this point? That's what you're doing. So what if listen, you already got three first round picks get five, but I'm telling you in the open market Jacksonville would give you a first round pick and they give you an elite. I mean, if I want the Jacksonville and said, I want your first round pick which will probably be middle of the NFL draft. So we'll have four first round picks, and I want an elite defensive player or two good players. You'd absolutely get that, or they'd give you a first a second in a moderate player. So if you're going full rebuild, you can make the argument go baby, go all in. I don't know. Jacksonville's an option based off of that contract. They gave Bortles. Well, Tennessee, Marcus mariota, you know, these organizations, joy or so. Today? I would not trade Jameis Winston yet, and I'm I'm really close. I'm really close, but you know what? James he makes. He makes too many great throws. He just I'm real close on moving on. I don't like his immaturity. I think it needs to grow up. I'm going to give him one more chance. I'm close to. He makes way too many staff, I know, but there's something about James. I'm still holding out hope because man, he's a big strong kitty makes great. Throws I love Derek Carr in Miami out there. No, that's another team. All right. Best for last after almost three hours Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet. Quit home, not on its cowherd. It's the best for less. I've been telling you all day. This is the the next two weeks are the best in sports. You know, I got baseball. I got a college football on Saturdays. I've got NFL on Sundays NBA season just started, and there's wild games and stuff. And I, to be honest with you, I'm a little overwhelmed. The company asked me to cut a promo for tonight's game, and I think I screwed it. They began the season facing daunting expectations. The quest to finally bring a championship back to Los Angeles from day one all eyes were on this team. Then with the eyes of the world upon them, they suffered a crushing defeat right now. Some people think they're sees it as only over, but it's not tonight. They have a chance to rewrite the script and get that first win against a tough opponent. The Phoenix Suns. This was supposed to be a dodger promo, not a Laker promo. Well, you can see how I got confused that whatever. Yeah, I think I screwed up. The biggest game tonight is not just the World Series, but if the Lakers go, Owen, four. Okay. I'm just owned out Kris. Haines NBA guy talked about this couple days ago of the teams that have gone, oh, and four in the NBA. Not good. Seventeen percent have made the playoffs. Here's course. Hanes. I will push the panic button a little bit because I think if coast Walton hasn't made any adjustments to that roster or to that lineup, bide after that Phoenix game and they're still having problems. That's when I'm thinking that's the next move. Not necessarily wholesale changes. All right, seventy. Three teams have missed the playoffs. Fifteen have made it since the mid eighties teams that have started the year Owen four, that seventeen percent of teams make the playoffs when they start, oh, and four. I don't bet. NBA basketball. I don't know what the spread is, but Phoenix hosting the Lakers. How how many of those teams had LeBron James on them by the way, teams that are down all and two in the World Series and have overcome the deficit or eleven the percent that win the series is twenty. One point, five percent joy. The bigger game tonight is I can't say it, but you know, I was just trying to make a point to begin for LeBron it is a big game. I would say I would say the World Series. It's more. Yeah, I would say you're sleeping a casper casper dot com code her gets a fifty dollars off. Select mattresses. Casper dot com code h. e. r. d. I will say this. We one of the topics we've had the last couple of days and we've had a lot of fun with it and there's been a lot of going back and forth a really good sports topic in the to me what makes a really good sports topic is that you can be right on both sides. So when the raiders trade Amari Cooper, Dallas goes out and gives up a first round pick for Amari Cooper, and by the way it has been a mixed reaction. But probably seventy two thirty against the move. Now I've come out on the other side of it, and here's why I support the Dallas Cowboys on this number one, the Dallas Cowboys brand has always been aggressive. When the Dallas Cowboys aggressively bought the franchise Cowboys. We're losing a million dollars a month when Jerry Jones bottom, it paid off. They hired, they fired Tom Landry legend for Jimmy Johnson. It paid off. They traded Herschel Walker for seven players. It paid off. They hired Bill, Parcells, aggressive guy. It paid off. They, he rebuilt the franchise. Jerry Jones has an all time quote where he says in my life. When I of overpaid a little bit. When I look back in my life when I have overpaid for my big successes every time when I tried to get a bargain, I either end up getting something I'm unhappy with. Or I'm missing it. And So Jerry Jones is telling you his career, Jerry world was supposed to cost six point, six hundred and sixty million dollars. It cost one point one billion. It's the talk in the night. It's the best. It's the best stadium in America right now. So when I when I look at what the Cowboys did, I don't think they give a rip that they're going to end up paying fourteen and a half million dollars a year for Murray Cooper who's probably more of a second round. Third round pick than a first round pick Jerry's history is he borrowed a million dollars from Jimmy Hoffa's Teamsters union. This is Jerry Jones is he is a gambler. He is a risk taker and he's he's every single time. He's been rewarded when he went when he went a little conservative by the way, berry Switzer got him a Super Bowl that was a huge risk, a college coach. So now. I think a lot of people are just saying, yeah, Amari Cooper in the end. He's not worth the first round pick and my takeaways. The Seahawks didn't have a first round pick for three straight years in the middle of their dynasty. The Rams this year didn't never first or a second round. Pick the eagles didn't Kansas City. Many of the best teams in the league didn't efforts round picks the idea that you not having a first round pick. Here's what I know about Amari Cooper, he's a tangible asset. In the worst case scenario, he gives you thirty five forty, five catches a year and only a couple touchdowns. That's the worst case scenario. The Cowboys can still use that worst case scenario. He's he's just, I mean, to catches a game is thirty two year. So joy is, is that a fair worst case scenario he is to catches again, which by the way it's gonna be way more net. So worst case scenario, two catches a game. And how about a touchdown once a month. Okay. So thirty two catches four touchdowns if you had them for two years sixty five catches eight touchdowns. That's worst case scenario. I mean, it's not. It's not ideal. But yeah, the worst case scenario. Mad Albert Breyer talked about what happened with the raiders in Amari Cooper. So his character was Queen coming out of Alabama, hard worker program guy, all that different stuff. He gets to Oakland his first two years. There was a guy named Bill musk, gravies offense of inner twenty fifteen and sixteen. This guy is tough to play four Colin just like Nick Sabin in Amari Cooper in that environment produce. I think there were some problems with the Mark, Cuban's work habits, and the hope was bringing Jon Gruden at that would change in twenty eighteen and they have seen a little difference is just not Incan. It's just not consistent. I think it's going to work. I think in the end Amari here's what I think happens. We forget that teams give up draft, picks all the time. We do feel that first round picks gold bars and they can beat the Rams got Goth in the first round girly in the first round in Aaron, Donald in the first round, the chiefs got Patrick Mahomes the colts got luck. Yes. First round picks are often the superstars Elway's a first rounder Rogers, a first rounder. You can give me the outliers, but Peyton Manning's a first rounder Marino's first rounder. Yes. You don't like to give those up, but the idea, the Cowboys, a receiver. They were gonna draft a receiver, and I'm kind of a draft goofball. I love the draft. It's a bad receiver year. There's two good receivers in college. Football Oklahoma's got one in these hurt and Arizona state's got the that is it. And if you go to the last four years in the NFL draft, wide receivers have been impossible. Oil to project. There's been like six bust wide receiver is the most NBA like position in the NFL. It's always been, you break Donald. I your kind of your own guy. You're not really with the team. You are a superstar athletes, the six, five guy out in the wing, making stuff happen. New England has had so much trouble drafting wide receivers, joy they quit doing it. They wouldn't take first round receivers. They did Chad Jackson years ago and it bombed and Bella check. Just quip. He's like all get receivers, late rounds, low low cost, or I'll get them from other teams like Wes Welker. And Josh Gordon Deal says Tom Brady as a luxury does, but but New England is kind of moved away like they will not go with receivers in the first round. And I've had opportunities than they've had needs tonight game two World Series. Dodgers trail, try to even it up at Fenway park, huge show tomorrow, Nick Swisher, outstanding, outstanding baseball guy joined us. Greg Cosell, Chris, Hanes, and Tom Penn Lakers. Lakers desperately need a win, not as bad, probably as the dodgers do tonight. All fired up. Radio, see tomorrow TV stick around, speak for yourself is around the corner.

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The Best Defenses of the Last Decade

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The Best Defenses of the Last Decade

"Another issue of the premiums podcast. This is your host mark schindler coming at you today with good friend of mine of course colleague over at prima hoops. Cody hodak cody. Are you doing. I'm doing just fine here. I saw that on the weather. We have negative twenty six windchill coming. I saw that I think it was justin. Rowen of chase down pilots tweeting about that because he lives in saskatchewan which is like just north of minnesota. So it's gonna be shit time to be there. I know it's going to be like it's not going to be as bad in ohio. But it's looming ten degrees with wind. Chill probably ten very excited for moves to try and get me to walk over the next couple of days I'm not really interested in that. But you know so you know. We're kicking off our frigid temperatures. Talking about some defensemen i. I'm really excited for this. We've been planning on doing this for a couple of weeks and finally had are scheduled match up so that we can make it happen Coated you want to introduce what we're doing people. Yeah for sure so something. We're looking at is. We want a kind of honor and talk about and work through the best defenses from two thousand ten essentially and so were thinking about a couple of methods to do that. I think the one that we really landed on was using relative defensive rating so you take how much better teams defense is relative to league average and then we ranked those and just so. We didn't have repeats. We basically just came up with the top ten. And so i'm sitting here with my sheet of basically those top ten different teams. That had the best defenses in the last decade. Or so yeah and you know before it started out stuff. We're not at loose our goal right now. We're probably not going to try and say you know which we'll probably ask each other. Which defense we've you know in in watching and going through stuff which one really stood out the most what. This is more just to kind of talk about. I think in my going through statistical profiles in and looking at how they played there is such a variance in how these teams got to the numbers. They got especially over the last three or four years. that's what i really want to dive in to talk about the personnel. Talk about Just really get the ins and outs of these defenses these teams and kind of go from there gauge your perspective on what you thought of them in watching baby we cannot wherever we end up at the end of this however long recording I'm pretty content with it. Because i think we both put a lot of research in time into this. So this'll be a definitely a worthwhile endeavor and we also we want to do it because the decade is over which is kind crazy to say. It's twenty twenty one which it still feels. Surreal considering that you know It doesn't really feel like a different year but that was one of the peso. Masha to some of these. Seems defer first thing that i have to state that. I've been trying to text you all day that i was just thinking about. It occurred to me about three hours ago. Kyle korver is on three of the best defensive teams of the last ten years. I just find that kind of remarkable and to be fair. Calc over is not as bad of defenders. I think his rap was but at the same time. Thought it was kind of historical to me. Wow i feel really bad right now so we have. We have the bucks. We have the hawks who's the third team he was on the eleven bowls. He was on the eleven balls. He had the justin bieber haircut and everything in twenty eleven what So that was just a minute thing. But what thing released if you could pull just one thing one thing like one little tidbit. Whatever what stood out to you the most in going back through in washington these teams in that after i'll go through an mentioned all the teams in in order so people know who we're talking about but my like broad takeaway sounds really dumb when i just leave it as is but when you go through the rosters i was just thinking like wow. He was on that team. Wow he was on that. No that was Was something. I definitely felt too. I have like eighty five. Basketball reference tabs open rain for reference to but It's funny too. I mean we can talk about it as well as move on. But there's a lot of guys who keep reappearing this list. Which i think is kind of an important takeaway for me as well. You know having a good defense takes good defenders lot of times those the same guys who keep popping up over and over again So just to give people the rundown of the teams one of the things that was also kind of remarkable We had three of the best. Defenses of the last ten years all happened in the same season in twenty eleven. So that's just for people listening. It's not the lockout ripe for lockout your and that was in chronological order and alphabetical. So the twenty eleven chicago bulls especially going back and watching them. I had forgotten how good they were. i'm excited to talk about them. The twenty eleven boston celtics who are very very functionally constructed team towards the end of the big three there and the two thousand eleven orlando magic who. I have a lot of thoughts about that. I'm excited engaged with you. You on twenty twelve which this one is. I'm interested. i'm interested in all these teams but this one specifically the twenty twelve philadelphia sixers are weird. They're very weird team. Record wise and in terms of winning percentage because this was a seventy game season because they only played The this lockout-shortened year on the team that beat the chicago bulls who had derrick rose. Go down in the playoffs. And they lost to the celtics in game. Seven of the semifinals teams. Just weird and it's hard to gauge. A the lockout shortened season for a lot of reasons. But i will dive into that and twenty thirteen the grit and grind grizzlies at their pinnacle in class fighters. thirteen fourteen. Because it's basically the same roster except for the bench. Indiana pacers blue-collar swagger there was never really an official name to call them. They had a lot of. You could say just don't don't mention the g. q. Then in two thousand sixteen we have two teams again. The atlanta hawks and not that atlanta hawks humans the year after actually. Because i remember they have. I was oh. I didn't think that hauch seems defense was was you know that level of good and that's because it wasn't it was totally different year. The next year The twenty sixteen spurs who were sixty seven fifteen team that got ousted in the second round of the playoffs and our final teams both came in twenty twenty with toronto. Raptors milwaukee bucks. Where do you wanna start at. Cody i do you want to start. Well i don't want to jump around. I don't want to just go chronologically and talk about each team in a certain set. So where where do you wanna start at man. Maybe it's my bias but twenty twenty bucks again and we don't have to do it for very long but i think an interesting story with them is right now. It's actually their offense. That's really boiling their net rating. They're really right around league average like i don't even remember if it's a full pointer over below that right now but they regressed significantly and really it was their defensive dominant was all before the shutdown when covert hidden had the nba season delayed for a while and they were like at a negative eight point. Eight which would have been like v since one thousand nine hundred ninety which is just an insanely high level of defense. And i think really the main thing that i'm looking at. I think this is this points to a lot of things that these teams have is that they had multiple players both on the bench and starting who can protect the rim. See if brooke loop brook lopez on his own is a fantastic rim-protector. He was a defensive player of the year candidate last year and starting next to him was jaanus who's also a fantastic rim-protector so even if you draw out that room protector. You have another all league level rim-protector behind him and then even lesser-known robin lopez coming off the bench really and underrated defender in my mind and he was able to essentially to keep playing the same system that the bucks were playing. You know bobby portis has been doing well for the bucks. But he just doesn't have that same defensive acumen that save robin lopez has so. I think that's really the big difference between these last two years and it also just shows what it takes to be such a good defense. Yeah definitely i think. What's really interesting about the bucks to me to you. Know outside eric bledsoe. How did you feel about their defense last year. Because i thought they had a lot of guys were very good at thinking into the lane. Obviously eric bledsoe is one of the best chasers in the league. You know. I mean it was first team. All defense grison is good. He's not osman screens They have a lot of guys who are long. But i wouldn't classify them as having a lot of guys who are fantastic. Perimeter defenders and wesley matthews is fine. But i think he was his his advanced metrics bolstered by playing for one of the best defensive teams of all time and being the starting lineup. Don dante di vicenzo was a surprise defense. Who last year really improved But outside the george hill i felt was i mean. He's he's thirty five last year last year. I mean he's not the while noise thirty five. This year is thirty. Five four last year not the same level of defender who used to be an hill wealth. Talk about him later. Oddly enough as i mentioned guys will popping back up But in terms of looking at their perimeter defense what about them. So i think what you really hit on. There is just the amount of players who are at least a little above average on defense. And so you can't look at too many rosters and be like oh. This guy's an above average defender this guy's above average defender. But you could do that with the box. And you still more or less can do that. pat contin even is at least a league average if not a little bit like shade above league average on defense and i think something that kind of hurt them a little bit is they didn't have the major disruptor on the perimeter janas fantastic disruption on defense but the rest of them are just more or less good isolation or point of attack defenders. Which you know when you when you have robin broken janas per Protecting the paint that works for you. Yeah so that is a really great point. Because that's something that we see in. I want to posit this along with the twenty sixteen atlanta hawks. Because you're looking at two teams coached by mike budenholzer And looking through everything. This is when you start to see real shift in some of the defensive numbers so one of the crazy stats so the bucks last year. Were the best defensive rebounding team the week and they rebounded They had a eighty one point. Six defensive rebound percentage which was not wearing the league. Do you want to guess what. The twenty eleven chicago bulls defensive. Rebounding percentage was that led the league. What was seventy six point nine. So that is a massive difference You look to the orlando magic in twenty. I mean actually was your landed magic not the bulls that you're who led the league of the balls will right behind them. Seventy six point nine percent was the leading mark in the league. That you're Obviously the bucks were fantastic rebounding wise last year. But you see that. Even in the twenty six teams like the hawks were seventy four point six rebounding percentage which would have been top. Ten twenty. thirteen was bottom. Five in two thousand sixteen so you start to see automatically Not that offensive rebounding is less important but you start to see teams are not prioritizing that as much and they're prioritizing getting back in transition which is something that i saw in watching too But in looking at like we're mentioning with the two thousand sixteen atlanta hawks who i wanna talk about in a little bit but looking at the bucks like you're mentioning when you're looking at these defenses top down and over an entire year I i think we i mean we. We've got to the conclusion. We'll talk about this on prior podcast and just in regular life i mean Individual defense matters a lot more in the playoffs when it becomes a lot more about mismatch haunting And we saw that with the bucks last year for sure And even the year before. They're not as heavy defense or starting to implement some of that now but you saw a lot last year. Guys were getting hunted on the perimeter and not even that. It was bad but just the bucks. Were not accustomed to in that brand of basketball so you start to see the importance of versatility so while the bucks were fantastic and probably the best drop coverage team ever I think that would be fair to say a like. It's hard to look at that team for me to so that they were the best offensive team of all time Which is it sounds reductive. But i think if you wanna be considered the best offensive team of all time. It carries over through the playoffs and a again. It's hard because that you know. They talked about the multiple boss. Players came out and talked about how how it was going into the bubble. So it's hard to weigh that against them. But i think at the same time just seeing them play on court. You could see how that played out and it was. It was very different. Yeah one hundred percent agree with that and something that people might be thinking of is especially me. I'm john gobert train. So the like of bears relieve this phenomenal All-time room protecting defender. Why aren't the jazz on this list at all. And the fact is like unlike the close. I think they were. They were in the top fifteen. If i remember correctly but when you look at the rest of the players on the roster they just don't have the down defensive impact that these other teams have bear. You really can't build a full blown top ten like decade defense without multiple high level defenders. You can't just do it with one. Yeah and i think you see that too. It's interesting because I remember writing a piece sometime last year about how the jazz had fallen off from being top defensive team and i think it's when a for the first three years of them planning i wanna say derrick favors and rigo bear. When they shared the court had like a ninety seven defensive rating which is obviously incredible But they started downsized team in as things started out and it was harder to play favors angle behr together I mean they really started to to lose that defensive ability and so their favorites was somebody who is like right near that level of being all defense but not quite there And i like having broke in jaanus like that's one of the greatest backlines of all time Unless you have anything else you wanna add on the twenty bucks. I think this is a great point to the transition to the sixteen hawks in watching the sixteen hawks what stood out to me. The most was paul millsap. I had forgotten. Just how ridiculously mobile paul. Millsap was like he is recognizable today compared to how he moved back then. I think it's interesting because al horford everyone everyone thinks about al horford good defender. Oddly enough al horford never been all defense. I remember correctly. paul millsap was twice in atlanta. I want to say If he played somewhere else he would have gotten him times. Hugh so good I think even in comparing them. They're very different from the bucks back line. But i thought the sixteen hawks horford millsap in sixteen is one of the best front court defend deals. I've seen work. They're they're intangibles and accuweather defensive. Enter ridiculous ridiculous. So i think that's the big thing the separates them from someone like the bucks is both of them are a lot more flexible than someone. Like brooker robin lopez. Like you can have either of them guarding the four of the five and that was something that really stood out to me when i did my deep dive of ben wallace. This last summer is that he and rasheed wallace together. The synergy on defense that they had together was really what overwhelmed teams. It wasn't just been walls on his own and the same of thing happened here when you have two guys that can effectively switch between that four or five next to each other while still wreaking havoc. Like on the perimeter. I'm pretty sure i'm not mistaken. Paul millsap was like. Oh yeah he. He'll guard lebron allot played. He wasn't like his primary guard because he was so good as an off ball romer and just mucking things up in the paint But yeah i mean he was. He did everything defensively He was you so good. He's one of my favorite players of all time. But i think you see in watching. Those hawks teams the only thing that i dislike about. Sixteen hawks the jersey suck they go from i really like the jerseys and fourteen fifteen then they start wearing these neon pieces of shit. There were just absolutely terrible on. We're finally starting to get away from but yeah it made them borderline on washable for me. I hate badgers us. I have no comment on their jerseys. I really they could all just be wearing like black and white pennies for all. I care when they play well there something that i noticed when i was diving into their numbers is actually how underrated dominant taba. Cephalonia was on defense. When i was looking at their top five man units by defensive rating minutes their third most played defensive unit was sefolosha. Al horford mike scott. Dennis shooter and tim hardaway. Junior and that lineup had an eighty five defensive realm eighty five defensive rating and when you look through there just throughout any lineup. That cephalonia was in. Their defense is just incredible. And that's the sort of rangy flexible defender that you need. On the perimeter next to these other paint protectors that really makes a defense Run as efficiently as as theirs are or did. Yeah so it was interesting to me too because i mean if i remember correctly tobbaco. He didn't start that year. Because i wanna say camp bays more starts that your and actually think kemp as moore's really good He's a solid defender. He's never been like amazing. I think part of it is just as size Like he's he's listed at six five. I think he's more like six foot. Four obviously has a good wingspan. But i mean he was the guy who like i don't like in the playoffs. He was the primary guard lebron and they would just send help his way and shade a lot towards him And that's just a lot to ask. And i think you see a dumb losing the mari carol huge because even in fourteen fifteen i want to say they were top ten defense. I think they were right around five. But i think you just saw them shifts to a much more defensive identity the next year because their offense really lost a lot of pop. I mean they went from having the best offense in the league to the twenty third ranked in fifteen sixteen and that was mostly i mean the mark carroll was their only significant loss So it's kind of weird. How it shifted like that But i mean you see again in in the playoffs. How important it is to have that kind of big wing And it doesn't help that. You run into lebron james but again if you're going to the playoffs you're gonna run into lebron james leonard paul george any number of those guys. We're going to make life a living hell for you on the defensive end and really i think the hawks really the pacers to and even the raptors later on just show how dominant lebron was that entire decade. I mean this is a sixty plus when team and then a top ten defense decade and the bronze team sweeps them two years in a row. That's that's just painful man. Yeah and what's interesting too is. This is the first time where we really start to see the defensive shift so i have all the numbers right here. So this is when bug ball starts coming to play So you like. Let's look at art. You'll get bucks. Last year led up thirty nine three point attempts which was worse than the league. Generally you know obviously back in the day was more thought of you. Wanna let up a three point attempts as possible and obviously that that thinking starts it started to counteract with a little bit Earlier you know like around thirteen fourteen and fifteen and then sixteen hawk to employ that and they allow the sixteenth most three points in the league which is when you start seeing that shift because all the teams before them are fifth or higher in terms of three point attempts allowed so and i mean v six or lower should say the grizz were six but they were all geared towards letting teams not shoot the three. Because that's what their defense was built around a lotta times. So the hawks really just start letting people. I don't want to say gun away. 'cause twenty four and a half threes does not sound like lot anymore when you look at that being the amount of three pointers being let up But that's where you start to see that difference and obviously i mean even the raptors were almost exactly the same pace as the box last year up. Thirty eight point nine three two game and what's been odd to what this is not entirely in line with what was going on right now but will you looking around the league I don't know if you saw schmidt do a from a bourbon. Reshot ask standing. gundy yesterday. his thoughts on how some of this knowledge has been a little bit counter. Not counteracted by the numbers are not matching up with what we've gotten accustomed to how defenses are playing in the last couple of years What have you thought on that so far because that's really been biting the box. Because they've been letting up like ridiculous number of i mean not number but the the three point percent has been like insane. I really don't know it's really tough to i. Don't know how to phrase this. It's tough to look at things that are changing along with without the league. Itself is changing and then zoom in and be like. Oh this is how this team scheme is different in the that. It's working from this year to the next. So really the one thing that i point to the robin lopez basically switching robin lopez for bobby portis like i said just having a huge rim-protector on the bench would help imagine that would've helped defense at least a couple of points Just because bobby portis is probably a negative protecting the rim and is a positive protecting the rim. Oh yeah i. I really don't know that's a great question. I actually didn't see stance response that he give a good response to that. He basically said that he thought it was it. He essentially said we've been tracking it and we're not really sure why But it's hard to gauge. It's twenty years in the season. Anything you know. Maybe that's part of it but it's interesting too because the pacers are playing very similarly in leading up a lot of three point attempts on their comfortable giving up above the breakthroughs but they've been getting hit at high clip So it's it's hard to gauge that and understand what's going to go but at the same time i mean they're falling enough. I think sussman brought about how maybe it's because of the shooting lines sight lines and and just not having as many fans in the arena so that could have an impact as we saw in the bubble But i don't know it's a nonetheless. It's kind of interesting. Yeah i think especially when you get to a certain center of the plate for the pacers. There's a great example of how the league sometimes just moves a lot quicker than any roster can make changes for them. Yeah definitely is that where you wanna go next. You want to go next. I think that you the indy cornrows guy in front of the pacers. I promise. I am not saying this as a homer Do legitimately think in washing the teams play. This was like i. I'm trying to think of a way to put. It doesn't come off a against everyone listening. I'm not a fan. I was a fan at the time when i was watching them. Play but i'm not now from in washington play. I thought this was the best defense that i watched. And maybe you might change my mind on that but in just in washing the team like it sounds cliche but this was the defense where i felt. Offense had to attack it. You know they weren't going out in forcing things they they weren't really high enforcing their twenty second league and turnover percentage that you're they were just like okay. Come with us and see what happens. They were imposing like a lock. It's pointed to dave. Not i. I've just given what i was about. Say like. it's pointed to roy hibbert. I thought david. Wests is one of the more important aspects of their defense. Like you think about david. Wests six nine. Six eight to fifty. Obviously big just superstrong dude. I think there's a tendency to look at him. And be like always kinda. Like zach randolph. He was muscular. No i think they're very different. The pacers did a ton a ton of hedging recover on ball screens and he remarkably quick and getting back to contest. Whoever the four was like he gave chris bosh a lot of problems in the playoffs the three times they met in every time. But you know. I mean i think you look at. That's a really underrated aspect because of the way defense used to be played having really hard hedges and recovers on ball screens And we'll talk about that more as well on some of the other teams. But i think in looking at that squad david west so huge for that and obviously i mean i wanna talk about roy hibbert but this is the first defence were looking at that had that wing stopper in paul george and. That's what really made this defense. Stand out for me because a lot of what this team did. They did not aggressively help. They were very much. So we're going to play you man up you're going to drive to the rim and you're going to have your shot altered by the best shot blocker the week seen in the last ten years So maybe that's an overreaction but for for for a seventy game stretch. Roy hibbert was the best shock. Shot blocker of the decade. But i digress. I'll let you talk. So i have a statistic actually by roy hibbert and i found that digging an old kirk goldsberry article in basically in two thousand thirteen. I know this is the year before but he said in twenty thirteen opponents were shooting within five feet of him. They shot thirty eight percent. And then for comparison marcus. Tyson chandler opponents were shooting forty four percent so six percentage points more stingy than marcus. All tyson chandler. And when you go back and watch is insane dinosaur through and through. I mean that is a huge huge being. Yeah it's so again too i always. It's it's really tough for me with roy. Because as some i i. I struggled menthol stuff in confidence in sports. And he's somebody who clearly did you still won't talk to the media about his time with the pacers And it's just interesting. Because i i mean it's so seriously i think you look at some watch gets put on the twenty four team plus a lot of people look at him then and that's how they remember him and that is just completely the wrong way. I was watching a warrant. One of the games. I was watching and catching up for list is The bulls series in twenty eleven again. That's not when the defense was great. But you see then when roy's playing confident. And he believes in himself the sheer gravity add in terms of deterring anyone from going to the rim was just crazy And it what else. The that. i thought was really interesting too. I really didn't start watching basketball around this time. So you'll have to correct me if i'm wrong did did a lot of teams force ball handlers baseline because The pacers forced ton of like they would let guys go baseline all the time in watching them play. They would play really wide out on the perimeter a play mostly men up and then they would just pretty much instead of sliding they would. I don't wanna say sidestep. But they would let their man go go baseline and oftentimes. They would not even test at the rim. I think part of that was their idea. Is okay if you're gonna go baseline. You're not going to score on roy most likely but i thought that was really interesting. Wrinkle that they had Definitely made it probably tougher on teams. It's a really weird question. Fortunately i really don't have a good answer for that. But i want to keep an eye out on that when i look at older games but something else that i think really helped. This pacers team is that this was right on the edge of the almost modern three-point revolution. I mean steph. Curry is still developing. He still wanted the best three point shooters in the league. But he's not steph curry just yet and i think that's really when things start shifting towards that and right around that time is when we start seeing roy hibbert loses value in like you said you speak to the mental health aspect of it too but it was also just the changing game. Oh and the amount that he didn't have to step out to contest those kinds of shots. I mean you watch some of those games against the miami heat and it's almost jarring to see lebron play in that way because it's not a five outspread pick and roll abroad that we see. It's more of a working from the top of the free. Throw line surveying the court running around some screens. Sort of lebron. So i think this is just the perfect time for roy. Hibbert to to hit his all star peak. Yeah definitely and i think one thing i would say to Like his footwork was incredible like he was not. Of course i mean seven two two eight. He was not a laterally. Quick guy whatsoever. He was not fast He was strong but he his base was so high. That guys could get into a little bit. But it didn't matter we'll of his length but I was watching a couple breakdowns of the pacers defense from six or seven years ago And i they were slowdowns. You could watch his footwork. His foot work in the in getting into his defensive stance in deterring drivers was really really good. And that's something that i think is a little bit underrated in las loss. Especially when you talk about big. Because if that's what makes the difference especially to for looking at perimeter defenders there are so many guys you could pull off like right now Cash stanley pacers rookies. Second round pick. He's probably like maybe justin holiday will be quarterlane him laterally. But i would say. He's probably the quickest guy on the team laterally but he crosses his feet all the time when he slides so his slide is not even really a slide That's what makes some of these guys who ended up being raped perimeter defenders defenders in general. Really good because if you don't have that ability to actually keep up with somebody if you can improve your footwork well enough you can kinda counteract a lot of that in terms of you know a eventually speed wins out but if you have enough athleticism coupled with that ability to have your footwork down and figure that out than your goal. That's a great point in another modern comparison of a player. That has terrible footwork. But should have the athleticism be a great defender. Zion and we talked about in the sense of scale ability. Podcast i wrote about it in my zion's needs to improve article but his footwork is just his ankles or flying over places hopping to close out on players. And it's it's interesting. How something that seems so basic just chopping your feet or knowing where to put your feet is so important to being a fantastic defender. Yeah yeah no. I totally agree So where do we go next with this one. I think okay. Let's i said we weren't gonna go in chronological order. But i ve kind of been going backwards. I think the grizz happened right. When the pacers are happening you always see your before is when they're really hitting their peak in their stride and i think is interesting because you look at them. They are built from the outside looking in. They look similar to the pacers but they're very different in how they play Like i mentioned with zach. Randolph and david west. They did a lot of the same stuff. Zach randolf but he really was not that he was that. That's where you see. The difference like david was quick enough to get back to shooters not as nelson try. I guess i would ask you. What did you think zach randolph. Defense or how important. It was to the best defense in the league year man. That's i did not deep. Dive zach randolph. As much i think it's defensive rebounding was super important and the fact that he was straight. That's exactly what. I wanted to bring up because i think that's. That's a good point like a lot of times. We'll look at guys and say well you know this. Isn't that like marcus has never been a very good defensive rebounder. He's good at boxing's guy out but he's normally just not quick enough to get to a rebound especially now we see that Zach randolph was insanely good as a rebounder he was just so strong too. So i think there's something important to that like. He's not a great perimeter guy. That's he's not a good guy at all but he actually bear with me. He reminds me a little bit of nicoli oak on defensive end not vertical threat at all in terms of what he's going to do with rim but in watching as really quick and fairly active hands especially on ball screens. He was really good at. I'm writing this article. I don't wanna give away the name. Because i actually think it's kinda catchy but It like you you watch him. He's really good at just doing like that. Initial jab like. He's really good at that. And i think that's something in watching Interior presences who are good at deterring drives. Like if you're if you're on if you are not quick enough most of the time as a rim-protector to get to get going backwards if you have a ball handler coming right at you. So something that some of the best just in me watching guys who were defensive player. Your canister more importantly like guys who exac often yokich who are not great athletes. But they're able to stay on the floor. Defensive we through just playing smart if you're able to just like forcible handler to a there will be taken extra will anything to slow them down and deter their ability to get to the rim zach. Randolph was really good at that So i think that's something important as well. Unlike you mentioned with the defense rebounding. I think that this is the best collection of defensive. Talent in every s- the starting lineup out of any of the teams that we're gonna talk about today. mike conley. He made all defense wants correct. Because i want to. I know he was never an all star. But i think he made all defense one year. That seventy yeah. I think he was second team. Tony allen was obviously incredible quincy pond. Extra was actually not bad but he didn't. He didn't start. Most that year was taken on prints after the trade Obviously you saw was fantastic. That you're whether or not lebron thinks that it should be his defensive player of the year trophy with. There's obviously argument for a. What did you think about how the gris play defense overall so. I really like that construction. Because i like the comparison with the pacers because Not every one of these teams actually has a fantastic point guard defender. And that's another conclusion. I was coming to is that to build a very strong defence. You don't need to focus as much on having that strong point guard defensive player but mike conley georgia or both great both very different giorgio is definitely bigger much longer could switch onto bigger players. More mike conley as a point of attack defender and just being able to skip her pass. Screens was phenomenon. That tony allen could match up with pretty much anyone that wasn't like a full blown center. I'm he was pretty short. He was taking the sixty four range but he was strong with feisty. I still remember kevin durant in when they when they took out the thunder and five games guarded. Kevin durant entire series. Think yup and i remember when this was. I remember you gotta steal from klay thompson where you just like dived at him and it was clearly a follow but that like just encapsulated. Tony allen was the series when they and they won the first game and then they stopped playing david lee and And they won the series in like four names might have been. But that's the that's the thing is tony. Allen is out there to muck up the other team. Oh yeah and tashaun. Obviously one of the on one of the best defensive ever in the two thousand and four pistons and yeah. There's just a great collection of talent. Ghazal isn't the most mobile center but once again a really long and really big rim protector and surrounding him as all this collection of talent that has just really smart dedicated to the craft. Yeah one hundred percent. And i totally agree and i think that's another thing too. You look at a lot of these teams. There's always one guy who you could maybe say. Okay we'll is he. That good of a defender. Metro zach randolph. It's important to have that guy who was a counter actor a little bit like you. Don't want marcus all matched up on Like i mean if you had to take blake griffin. Obviously not great. You would have guarded deandre jordan. Most of the time like having somebody as a switch hitter. Sometimes it's good. Like like i was talking about you with this the other day like i want no moscow bonus to guard joe being stunned miles turner. Because that just makes sense like miles. Turner is not strong enough to deal with joel embiid. Demoss probably really strong enough to deal with him. But you look at it and it's like okay it's better to just instead of putting somebody out of position or i mean they play the same position but joan beat is his own position pretty much just because of what he's able to do It's important to have some of those cross matches not like the cross matches we saw last night in the bucks. Pacers game But there are ways that in it makes sense. I think that's all. I got on the grizzlies. I mean we'll probably come back. I i wanna give a slight overview on some of these teams. And that's the one difference though in the grizzlies because you look like so. I mentioned what the pacers they were very much. So methodical and we'll let you come to them. The grizzlies have the highest turnover percentage out of any of the teams. Yes they had fifteen point two percent possessions. They forced to turnover which was second league that year. But obviously the best out of all the teams that we're talking about is really damn good. Does the grizzlies. you said. Yeah yeah that doesn't surprise me. Conley and tony. Allen were both just fantastic getting steals and playing the passing lanes and even stripping it directly from their guy. Yeah and they were very much up in new jersey type players. I'm trying to think about where i wanna go next. Okay we have to talk about the team that i don't want to call it a mirage. But that this is maybe the biggest heavy lifting job that i've ever seen in terms of looking at personnel on roster And the way that things played out and that's the twentieth eleven orlando magic so let me just read off the ten man rotation. Come playoff time for you. So obviously they had a rushing lewis. I think no not rashid. I can't speak rashard. Lewis rashard lewis. I'm getting mixed see on the team at that time. Well yes so. They had rashard lewis. Vince carter in martian cortott and they traded them. I think it was twenty games in and then they got back open arenas which that did not work out. jason richardson. So you look at this team. The starting lineup is obviously dwight howard in the middle brandon. Bass hito turkoglu jason. Richardson engineer nelson. How many of those guys other than dwight howard are plus defenders in your your mind. Even when most of those guys are in their primary. No i was thinking the exact same thing when i was looking over this team and before we get into this people. Forget that jason. Richardson should be included. In the pantheon of dunkers one of those up there. Oh my goodness. I never played for. This is probably the best thing that ever played for. I think so it was he on the we believe warriors. Obviously that was the worst team. But i mean he was on the we. We believe words but he's like always guys left. I ruined all in on steven jackson. The jackson was not as good as jason. Richardson like ever but Yeah so you have that and then coming off the benching. You'd think okay. Well there's gotta be. Somebody comes off the bench to nope nope that's where you're wrong so go to arenas who is like three sheets to the wind with injuries at this point is not a good defender anymore. He he never was an awesome defender. He was like fine when he was engaged but he was like a total offensive engine. So i don't blame him for not being a great defender quinton. Richardson like j. J. rettig was in the top ten minutes on this team. We know about. Jj he tries not a good defender. Just not big enough or quick. Enough athletic enough and ryan anderson. No like so. That's what i thought was most. I don't wanna say impressive. But i just found it most remarkable especially in a year when or at least a time when there's not exactly I don't wanna say. I don't want to call the bucks defense gimmicky. But the way that they're able kind of found a loophole in manipulating three point. Shooting is a little bit of a gimmick. I think it's fair to say that And you look this magic team. And they're just. I didn't find anything that was like that. And i really just thought this is dwight howard being incredible Any was like i was watching them. Play the knicks in this year In my lap. And like like i mentioned with roy. Hibbert like his gravity's ridiculous like just nobody wanted to drive at the rim and also shot. I forgot the chauncey. Billups played for the knicks for like twenty one games in two thousand eleven. I was watching. That i turned it on. I'm like okay mellow amari. You're going to be here. This is a couple years before they're actually good. And then they fall apart with all the guys And then i see chauncey billups on my screen and i had to look it up on baseball reference. I'm like chauncey. Billups did not play for the knicks. Any did he got traded from I think it was from denver. He wants to the knicks and then he ended up in detroit the next year but yeah played twenty one games for the knicks and seventeen five and five on like a above league average true shooting percentage when he was like thirty four thirty five so just random stat for all of you people because of the next they'll make the playoffs year So you probably didn't know about that. But i just thought that was really really interesting to me now. Cianci's offensive prime was actually a little bit longer than people think. Because it wasn't a was probably a couple of years later that oh six oh seven range but going back to the magic thing that baffled me when i was looking at the numbers is that dwight howard's off numbers with the team weren't incredible like it's not like you. As a ten point swing it was like three or four point. Swing which is fine. But that's not what. I expected with a team that has such a dearth. Defensive talent So i don't know. I'm still trying to watch current games and i want to do study. That was one of those teams are. I'm like this is gonna be a bigger deep dive at some other point. Because i don't understand it vince. Carter had some of the best defensive numbers on that team. And i'm mike weird going on. But i think also this is a case of there are certain coaches that can really transform defensive teams in certain periods stands one of them. Stan county was one from not right. Now the pelicans but during this time he definitely was one of them. Yeah no i totally agree with that. Because i mean you can look jason. Richardson from what i saw. And from what i remember. He was fine on ball. But in terms of being an off ball defender really being like a true guy wasn't him and his malaya's defensive advance stats are not good and again defensive. Advance stats for their iffy But just again watching him awesome. Hito turkoglu was kind of long. And he would try but he wasn't always the most engaged in it wasn't a great defender but he could rack. Up steals brandon bass was not a good defender like he he was. He's like six years below zach. Randolph in that multiplayer. Like he had that one like he just love. Taking facing up from fourteen feet out was all i remember about brand and getting offense of rebounds but also remembering that he couldn't get defensive rebounds users just like really strong and kind of an energy big who could do a little bit but he wasn't definitely not a good defensive player you couldn't i don't even think he averaged a block a game. I remember correctly. Yeah but that mid range game was absolutely wet from him. Wouldn't he have like the all time record for playoff re throw percentage for a couple of years really. I feel i might be making this up but this is too obscure for me to be making up. I'm pretty sure his free throw percentage at some point in his career. I'm going to be one of the highest in league history. I remember when he was on the. Here's on the lakers. For one year. I think it was koby last year when he was on the lakers. I was kobe's last year was not a fun time and then of course jazz game even then. I think it was fun. But i'm i'm a hater waking. I forgot the brand ambassador for free throw shooter. He shot eighty six percent from the line two years in a row now. He said he was wet for mid range. Jumper was pure. i can't. He has a positive on us three times in his career in a lot of season. So not awesome. But alas that's my point on the orlando magic. I don't really have a whole tunnels to add on other. Dwight howard was really good but it's also kind of crazy too in watching him again. I only watched a couple of games. But i also remember from from washing back in the day and from hearing people talk about them like he wasn't even that engaged. All the time on the defensive end like you really just and this is not shit on him i. He played close to forty minutes per game a lot of times in his prime. So i'm not expecting him to be like false law going crazy but a lot of times she just kinda posted out on one side of the block and i mean he'll make contest if somebody drives the rim but he's not super active and of course he's incredibly mobile but just so much of his gravity as a guy who could be like an anti magnet to to the ball was like i mean obviously he was respected the hell out of a by guys who were driving down the lane. But it's a. It's kind of a little bit. It's interesting to see him the way he conserved energy and just how quickly he would be able to contest something because so often you see like another team. We'll talk about. the celtics. Like cagey is always moving. Always moving so it's just so different than how some of the guys are capable of putting up the kind of seasons in defense bolstering defense whether they did definitely and cagey will definitely get to but he was definitely maybe the most flexible defender in nba history. But dwight howard is like you can't have multiple dwight howard running around defense like you build around him as the focal point and that's about it but still hey three straight. Nba defensive player of the year. And they deserve so yeah. That's not all trying to officing. He doesn't deserve. I think it's just more of like it's kind of incredible watching him. And the way that you've looked back then compared to now he's more he's not more mobile now but like i mean. Do you remember watching him in. Charlotte i hope. You don't remember watching him charlotte. I watched like ten or fifteen games from charlotte that you're like yeta thirty the first thirty thirty game in the nba in light forever. I think since like moses malone and remember watching like i mean everything was either a dunker put back. And i mean he didn't like he was just so yoked at that point like i think he was playing to sixty five or to seventy or something like that and i mean. He was like probably had a six pack. His biceps were enormous blake. I remember he was just like hardly even mobile at that point because of how much she bought up. By the time he got to the warriors. Yeah and for the record. I think kevin love had a thirty thirty gr game somewhere in his temporal tenure but yeah it's always shocked me like when howard is playing for the lakers. I remember being like this. The same guy who's bisexual like the size of his head like he. He lost a lot lot of weight. And i i can't help but think that that somewhat contributed to his downfall like i think he had a slimmed-down took service career. No i totally agree with that. I think we've seen that with some guys like they're like i know people always look at someone all he needs to put on weight and i think it's gotten better to people talking about functional weight and i think you look at white like obviously he put on like you put on muscle but you just saw him become much more ground bound player especially off to send you highlights of that one game will like one of the dunks he had with the hornets was like he. He only got like ten ten ten inches off the ground. And because he's like his standing reaches. You can touch the basket almost. But so the matter entirely. But it's just very different seeing him play then to where he was at an orlando and even now And speaking on that vertical. For a second i want to say it was andrea would allah. But he has just an all time block. I don't know if he chased him down or if he was waiting for him in transition but it would going for layup and dwight howard blocks and he basically has to duck. His head knocked a hit his head on. And you remember that man. His athleticism was just off the charts. For how big you are. Yeah well that is a perfect transition to talk about andrea gala and the two thousand twelve sixers and. I think i mentioned this earlier. This is defunct team on this list by far all these teams are we talk about the bucks rim-protector we talk about the raptors while we haven't talked about the raptors yet we'll get to them But they did have they said ran protectors of to rim-protector solid. The about spurs or bowls. Either yet gosh but all right the point is you look at all these teams. They have really good plus room protectors not this team. Their best rim-protector. Elton brand and he's thirty two years old Any was never really a great rim-protector he was somebody who was kinda caught being between a four and a five and by this point he's more of a five you still playing the four Decently mobile in watching him. I watched that. I know we were doing this. Base mosul off the regular season but i was watching the series when the sixers played the celtics. Because i was only twenty twelve Sixers stuff. I could find no pretty mobile. Actually he's a better defender than i had remembered. But it's okay so just when you look at who the starting five and the guy who played the five minutes was spencer hawes spencer hawes atia human being not a good defender. He was not a rim deterrent. Like whatsoever is not strong us. Not a very good rebounder So that's what. I find most interesting this again. It's wonky because it is a It's the lockout year but what stood out to you about this team. Exactly like you said there's no strong rim-protector and i was trying to dive into the numbers here. Didn't look for darko. I don't know if it goes back far enough. But i remember Jacob goldstein defensive. pi pm. This was elton brands largest increase in defensive. Pi pm ever like he was always kind of maybe a little below a little bit beloved actually and during the season like shot up and came back down and so i don't want to jump to conclusions on that but some whatever he was doing was working really well and it might spend the playing next to other great defensive talent but when i look at Drew young holiday younger andrei allah and thaddeus young together. I just think man. I feel bad for anybody on the perimeter of the head to go up against those three. Yeah basically. that's kind of what i come down to two. That is one of the best groups of just a perimeter defenders in defenders in just really really smart group of defenders. And thad wasn't like at this time. He was still pretty athletic. Like it's very different looking like you still athletic now. Kinda surprisingly considering his thirty two. Like i remember. I thrown our quantum yesterday and like he is still pretty spry compared to where he's at. I actually made a joke that you could switch his age and auto porters on on the depth chart and i will notice Which speaks a little bit. More to opie j not being in game shape yet than on than than being incredibly shape But i i just think you look at that. Team is really good and even death wise. They had fantastic perimeter defense like jodie. Meeks was a good defender. He wasn't like the biggest guy but in terms of being like a point attack. Dude on guards you solid What were your thoughts on evan turner. I thought he's fine. Defensively like he's kind of more of a gambler But just like was never like a super bouncy vertical athlete or anything but he was long and sometimes just having long dudes who aren't going to get killed on the primer matters. I honestly don't have anything to say about evan. Turner defense i prepared everything about holiday inn iguala essentially this. I mean it's biased. So you have to take it with a grain of salt. But i'm pretty sure steve. Kerr has listed. Andre iguodala is being wanted premier perimeter defenders like the last thirty years. And i think that would dollar said that drew holiday was basically a defensive player of the year level caliber defense. I don't think either of those are quite true. I think it would allah. Yeah in washington inside. But they're fantastic. I don't think they're both defensive player of the year level. But they were both you know. Premier perimeter defenders. Yeah in watching drew in that series like he gave ray allen problems I'm here was on like he was kinda funny because in watching drew play a current game yesterday. Just it's kind of startling. How similarly he's playing offensively than compared to now he's not laying off at all. He's right on top of you. It just a suffocating defender and showed through in using credible I actually thought out of all the defenses that i that that that we walked in we talked about if you drop the seventy sixers defense in today and obviously you're not starting spencer hawes at least i hope not Say you have elton brand out there and you put that at the four. Because that was her sixth man that you're actually no They were weird because they just played like. They played like ten guys but they gave the bench fad. Played like twenty three twenty four minutes a game in a second. Most off bench louisville was their leading score off the bench that you're actually and just leading scorer in general and let's say But like that defense would hold up better today than i think. Any of the defenses that we watch except obviously the twenty twenty teams. No that's a good point because they just don't have the dinosaurs for lack of better term in a in the center but also major shout out to rookie fitch on the bench there. Yes he actually started. Fifteen games that your. I'd forgotten that and going back through stuff because spencer hawes got injured for some time so started fifteen games but then he ends up getting traded in. What is always the bynum deal. He just trading in the bynum d twelve deal. I always forget the that was part of that and going arlando But yeah that team. Their their defense is fun to watch like audrey. Your dala andrew holiday making rotations together with thad young out. There occasionally like i don't i. It's the kind of thing where it's like. I know that they weren't going anywhere. Which i don't always agree with. I mean think about that. If you keep jrue holiday with andrea dolls twenty eight twenty nine at this point thad. They're not a great. Maybe you get somebody. I don't know. I'm i just figured out how fun that defense would be to wash me. 'cause like we're looking at this defense right now i i instead of typing things into an exile sheet like normal human being. I write everything down and my own. It looks terrible This sixers team ninety nine point two defensive rating which was five point four relative. They actually did it. Force that many turnovers which was one of the things. I found really interesting. I thought a team that's really. They didn't really switch but a team that is capable of kind of mobility and just movement in ability in general on the perimeter. I was surprised. They didn't force a lot of turnovers But there's good they're really fun to watch so you said they weren't really forcing turnovers which i didn't dive into the numbers. That kinda shock me. What really stood out that they were doing. Can you speak to anything that you're like. Oh this is the reason. Their defense was so good. Like this is these are the things that iggy and holiday inn fattened them. We're doing i just saw. They were close out shooters really well not shows i mean. They lit up the second us. Three point attempts in the league is because they're closing out the shooter's enforcing drives instead. I thought you look at them. Especially because they would start pause and then they would go smaller. And so sometimes they'd have the voi- allen out in the voi- allen was more mobile and actually could do stuff unlike spencer hawes I just don't like spencer hawes I admit that he was at one point like a semi decent basketball player. But i still is not a good person. So i don't like him But yeah. I just think you look at them. The mobility that they had was was pretty pretty special. Yeah i think that's pretty much all had on the seventy sixers. So where do you want to go after that. Well we gotta talk about other twenty seven to use the the bulls man. So i said this is beginning to. I forgot how good this bowl theme was I do think we've said depth a couple times. I think this is the deepest team of the last ten years potentially I know that they did not end up winning the title. And they lose to the heels. This year This team was just so so deep. I mean let me pull up their roster again right now Obviously derrick rose wins. Mvp this year. I'm not interested in having that debate. Especially because i wasn't watching basketball closely enough to have a real opinion on it and regardless he won the trophy get over it What stuck out to me. The most about washing the bulls eye. Like i knew all dang was a good defender. He made all defense teams but he was so good like his arms are incredibly long. About how big is the wingspan was Just a really damn good defensive player. i dig a little frustrated. Washing carlos boozer revanche. Like to me. That was always one of the things those confusing to me. I was like i get that. Carlos boozer does things offensively. But i think taj gibson will. He wasn't the post score he could. Actually he was probably as equal of a mid range shooter in obviously a better athlete and defender so it was always weird me that kind of counter counterpoint. Because i think there was a starter there for three or four years before he went to the lakers and then his career is over. And you just look at taj gibson like the. That's the point. I mean they just had so much. Sorry i'll let you go. I have. I have a lot more thoughts on them to know. This is actually probably the team. I have the most thoughts on. And with boozer yeah. He wasn't great on defense. But i do think there's something to be said for the intensity brought know he'd probably the league and screaming just what have been close and tax to wasn't a big tech guy. I can't really remember. But i feel like he was. I don't remember. Didn't he punched ref. Yes it was not on purpose deadly punched around in nuts. man that was also never forget When he put like shoe polish on his head. Remember that those wait. No that was the bull still. Wow i think it was in twenty thirteen two thousand fourteen. You still denies i remember. He was asked about it last year. He denies that he did anything to his hair. Everybody who is watching that broadcast knows like there's no question in my mind. Yeah we definitely no. But i thought his hands were okay actually defensively. And he's he's really strong dude. He is the guy you wouldn't wanna body up against in the in the post but like you were saying. They had a so many strong defensive. And i want to. Maybe kind of change something that you said. They were really deep team but they weren't deep offensively like yeah okay. That's a good point. They were deep defensively. Like who is that raw ronnie brewer bedroom la. Yes honey was so good so good. Just could not do anything on offense. He reminds me a lot of a holy blank. Wow them but he's he's really good. Awesome defender really good cutter too. Oh that's women say. He reminds me a lot of torrey. Craig like probably stronger stronger player. Obviously a better handle. I think he's probably a better offensive player than torrey. Craig which that's a sorry story but now it just was really good but again like he had the weirdest chopper of all time. Like jumpers of all time He is really good. Keith bogans can really do much offensively. Other than sometimes shoot. But he didn't shoot a lot. He was good defensively What did you think about de rose defensively. Because i think that was what was interesting. He's not a good defender now. I would never even try and make that claim watching him. Then i think with how athletic he was. He was at least a neutral to slightly positive in my mind. You could get steals. He blew up some plays He actually had a block in one of the games. I was watching on danny granger He was just he was all over the place. I forgot how much he popped in watching him during the mvp year So i thought that stood out. And i thought that he looked at least to me symbolic plus defender now. He was definitely explosive to say. The least i mean he was just fantastic to watch back then. I think i'm a little bit lower on his defense. I don't think you would. Maybe not maybe not a positive but like he was like having that kind of Like i feel like if you're somebody who's that explosive and bursting and you're trying like you do enough things positively to counteract some of stuff that you're not doing positivity that makes sense yeah for sure but he saw him die on quite a few screens that he was running around he didn't create that many turnovers. I don't know if he ever averaged like more than a steel. I'm just saying that off the top of my head. I mean very very wrong with that but young jimmy butler coming off the bench. I think actually their best defensive lineup. They played at times. Had lou alday taj gibson. Joking noah and jimmy butler way year we talking about wasn't that twenty eleven am. I was not on the twenty one seventeen. Oh did i just like to everybody who did just lie to. You lied to me. I don't even want you to cut this. I want this. What this disgraced. Even moose's piston. Yeah jimmy butler was in the league the next year. I think 'cause i thought for a second to that jimmy was on his team wild. Yeah okay so. I mistaken there but yeah lineups from the head dan. Gibson and noah. And noah i weirdly. I don't know when i was watching him. I was like there's no way this great rim-protector. I must've been missed remembering that. No he was really quick up to the rim really quickly he pounced. He kinda shocked me a couple of times. I'm sure shock. Some driving offensive players to But there was man. I was watching pacers game with them. And this is so weird. I've never seen the team do this. So danny granger at the time. I'm afraid now my say the wrong year was danny granger on the pacers was on the pacers. Okay i remind wash same games. I was watching for the first round. The playoffs yeah. Yeah so at one point. Grainger like was running around a screen and hibbert was setting the screen like setting it downstream near the free throw line and when granger got out to the top of the three point line showed wilding was like running around the screen to contest him and at the time Who was it. That was out there. Both bogans and boozer just like closed in on the rimmed gases. Actually i was i. I remember watching the same earlier today. their help defense was insanely good like they all rotated so well. I think they have the best defensive communication out of lives teams that we watch like i will be fairly carlos boozer he tried on defense Some at least some points. The when the team was good he was trying it. Towards the end. I remember carlos boozer not trying very much as a defender with the bulls But yes in terms of just looking at that like dang as a help defender was really good. Taj was really good crazy enough to i mean kurt. Thomas aged thirty eight kurt. Thomas was like starting games for this team throughout the year. Because boozer was out. I mean he was good. He was not much of an offensive player of course throughout his career. But you could actually have midrangers. I always forget about that. You even took some threes throughout his career kyle. Korver was on this team. As as mentioned earlier an owner ashiq sue eventual. Like i think one or two like play with rocks for like a year or two and then got that massive contract with the pels. And i think yet injuries which sucked but all in all most of omar sheikh and james johnson was on the scene for a little bit forgot about that. I don't want to johnson. But i forgot he was on this team regardless team was so good. They really were and okay. That's super important to this team. Is that tom. Thibodeau is like one of the all-time defensive strategists. i mean. We see it right now at the knicks. Being a plus like a defense. That's two points better than league. Average right now but i fund pop quiz for you all right. So we see the turnaround with tim. Tiptoe with the knicks right now not counting this year since two thousand and two. How many times do you think the next defense was better than league. Average since two thousand two yes in two thousand and two. Do you have all their numbers ran for new right now. Yup okay they want. If i remember correctly they weren't a league average defense the playoffs in two thousand thirteen. Or they nope. No they weren't they were just about. I was gonna say. I didn't think they were. Is the answer. never close. it's one. it's one what is the one year. It was two thousand twelve so it was right before thirteen which year tyson chandler one thousand year that china was there and then Okay that's basically twenty years of like one if you count this year. Two years of having above average league above average defense compared to league average. And i don't know if that's just shows the strength of tiptoe and he was surrounded by a bunch of guys that were willing to really go out it on defense in chicago. Yeah definitely i mean that. Getting transition to talk about the celtics twenty thousand celtics. Who have not talked about yet. This team was really weird to I think it's a lot of people. Think twenty eleven celtics in. They'll picture though a team very different. So obviously it's rondo. Pierce ray allen cagey with the surrounding cast is Funky like they had both germain and shaquille o'neal obviously not brothers but the two best o'neill's of all time. I think i asked to put your main up there I always got a slide him in somehow. Germain was really good okay. I'll say that he was. Mvp began at six time. All star should be in the hall of fame but nonetheless And glenn davis played a lot of big minutes watching shack. Play was kinda like just sad in the one game. I watched like at this point. He's just like almost a caricature of himself. It just not good like i think. He touched outside the paint. Once in like ten minutes he was on court. He used a so immobile but even still like he was so big and his he was still capable of blocking shots. So teams didn't wanna drive on him like jermaine. O'neal was not quite the same. I mean he was more mobile but not that mobile but he also had like incredibly long arms could block shots It just gave them the option of like remind me a little bit of the lakers last year in a very different context you know again. It's not the same but you have j. o. And shacks kind of like jail and white given you those guys who can throw you different. Looks and you don't have to go with keiji at center. But if you wanted to down the stretch you can and glenn davis can come in there and glenn davis incredibly strong actually like i don't wanna say he was quick but like he can blake. Hang with some smaller force And i kind of. I thought it was decent enough defensively to rebound to But cagey stands the most out for me. I mean kgi. Even i think he's thirty four or thirty. No i think it was thirty four this year right around there thirty three or thirty four and he still is probably the best defender out of anybody that i washed other than somebody who will talk about right after. Oh wow that's really interesting. So i would say that cagey is definitely the best offensive player out of these players that we saw. Obviously this is way past his prime. He was obviously better when he was younger. But yeah cagey is. Just an anchor unto himself everywhere. He slowed down at this point but he was still communicating so much he could guard. You know he wasn't on the perimeter quite as much at this point But yeah when whenever he was paired up with another big man may be whether that big baby whether that be Germane whether that be shack like that defense was just good and so i think i don't know i don't know what else to say beyond that. Besides cagey is just a masterful defender. That retired a plus defender. Well even at that time. I mean he was still. It wasn't a regular thing because they don't always do it. It's not how it worked back then. But i mean he would switch on switch on new on the guards Like was still switching to this point and holding his own and doing well. I mean his ability that late into his career was kind of remarkable Yeah i i love cagey when my favorite players of all time. I think he's somehow still underrated in some ways. But i also get annoyed about all the way Celtics shit so. I don't mind entirely Well i i don't have anything else to add on the eleven celtics. The celtics are so talked about in the eleven celtics are almost extension of them. the sixteenth spurs and. That is who i think was the best defender that i watched. And i was quite leonard in this year I think like you can talk about how good he is now. He's stolen as prime. This was defensive peak already like he can still do that for stretches now but i think this year when they go sixty seven fifteen years just entirely locked in you the player of the year this year if i remember correctly Yet two thousand sixteen. I believe defensive player of the year. If he didn't it's a shame. I should look it up. I should have written down. I have a bunch of other notes written down but like in terms of just looking and watching him play like he was so so disruptive like what he did. On the perimeter. I think this was the year when he like ended. Ben mackel more. You're that stripped three possessions in a row and then he got pulled. I think george. Karl was Was sacks coach that you're in a terrible terrible your sacramento. But yeah dude. That was like cohen was just insane at this point. And when we talk about defensive depth i mean number one you're being anchored by tim duncan who's just at this point in his career especially he's one of the yeah he's not doing a lot of the post up stuff he's not doing a ton on offense he's just like i'm gonna move the ball around a grab some rebounds i'm gonna anchor this defense and he did it just a wonderful job but more context to this wasn't this season but the previous season he missed eighteen games and during those eighteen games the spurs were five point five point eight points worse on defense and i was just losing coli and so that is just incredible impact especially for a wing player and i liked what you touched on with the disruptive nature of his defense 'cause it's not necessarily like oh we have this really quick point guard we need to get this isolation defender to defend him no he was just he mucked up everything else if you tried to dribble against him nail helping out there hughes fantastic disrupting that he could jump passing lanes he was strong enough to go against guys like lebron disrupt them he maybe you're right maybe twenty sixteen qui- was better than twenty-seven cagey but it's hard for me to not to not watch that tape and see the way that he played an impacted things and say that that's not the best defensive player of the decade it's like i know that's a big statement and claim it also i did go back he He did win defensive player of the year that you wanted to use a row. I forgot that he did. Fourteen fifteen sixteen But yeah. I think that's a really good point you bring up too much earlier. I mean tim. Duncan was still no lebron protector. This point is not mobile anymore. Like a little bit mobile But you had him and he was still doing elite things defensively. I think all defense. This year i really should. I keep asking us questions stuff. That i should have written down what i don't think about I'm looking it up right now. But you look at this team again. We mentioned the the the bulls team might even be just as deep if not deeper and they have more guys who can do things. Offensively like kyle anderson at this point awesome. But he's a young guy who can do things jonathan simmons. This is the year that he really starts to come on. If i remember correctly Monitor was still good. Tony parker was a total weak spot in their defense but he was still a good player. Offensively and i think their defense was just so good at didn't entirely matter that tony parker was not a good defender What did you think about aldridge. The lineups where he was in it they were actually pretty good. I don't remember lamarcus aldridge being like that could've defender. I've always thought he's been like just kind of like a neutral guy like not felt too. And so i think he reminded me again. This is just in talking a little bit. It's very different but it reminds me a little bit of like rasheed in bed. Like having to those guys obviously been way better than rasheed defensively but i think having lamarcus as that secondary guy next to a next him i mean again. It's a it's not the same thing but lamarcus was capable blocking shots. You add an extra layer of protection. You're not forcing markets to be the main rim-protector. But also i mean. I think we saw in the playoffs to that. This defense did not work. Especially because i want to say okay see started just benching kendrick perkins Or it wasn't parkinson. This time stephen adams. What am i talking about But they would play a backup center in some stretches. And that's goodbye to the spurs. The thunder definitely overwhelm them with the combination. Athleticism that the factor those baca atoms and that was just a lot for them. But when we look at the desk to once again david west showing up here coming in okay so funny thing too because i looked at this if you look at his thirty six years playing around thirty four thirty five minutes in fourteen fifteen thirteen fourteen. If he'd been starting he's putting up quite the same numbers on like the same efficiency. Still really damn good still looked justice. Christopher defensively obviously slow down a little bit. But i mean still really good at this point a almost a chico to have him coming off the bench that you're that and you know tony. Parker was a weak spot. But danny green was really good. Three indy player. I mean he was the true three d player. He had fantastic hands. I remember when shot thirty three percent from three this year. Yeah i guess the up and down danny green. But he was so disruptive in transition with his hands manage nobly was. I mean yeah. He was a little bit older at this point but he was a really disruptive off ball player i mean. He mucked up defenses so much when and when both he and kawai were employed. I mean nothing safe at that point because they're just yeah. I don't know i keep thinking back to that. I don't remember what year it was. But the game winning mono block on james harden when he sneaks behind him and got that three point lock. This might have been this year. I think that was this year in fifteen sixteen. They all kind of blend together to be. It's it's hard to remember. Because that's just kind of their last go at it. And i feel like those. The last positive thing. I remember about the spurs solid and sixteen seventeen. Obviously before our our boy was his name center yes zaazaa before zaza ended is postseason Yeah bad times Yeah but no. I i really thought Really stood out the most me out of this group and just in terms of their overall defense. I mean this team which is so good So kyle anderson to buy yes. Shadow colleen shadow kyle anderson. Oh did you yeah Gosh cody come on No i think we do have one more to you than we have to get to. And that is the twenty twenty raptors I completely forgot about that team. And of course. Rapper stands to be like. Oh of course you did your yeah i mean. They're i mean they're still good. I actually thought this team. I thought their defense was better than the bucks last year Statistically it's not the same what. I think you look at the way they played. I don't know if you remember. Did you watch the rafters lakers in the bubble before playoffs. Can't off the top of my head. What happened the raptors ended up winning that game. And i remember. I think that's one of the best team. Defensive performs has ever seen og soga pascal. So good like. I think you just look at the raptors. They have one of the questions i have. I was which defense is like the most sustainable or the most realistic looking now. And i think it's the raptors and obviously six last year but i think you look at the ability that they had like one through four to just completely destroy things well having somebody the back line he was capable with mark. Mark was still good Or at least decent defensively smart being smart counts for lot. insurgent rim-protector. Not as good as i think. Some people think still As we've seen with the clippers this year but I mean kyle. Lowry just insanely good as a defender fred. Wli really good to just a lot of guys who are quick smart. And they're the most disruptive team By far other than that grizzlies team. Yeah and i think once again that just speaks to how disruptive is and you know. This is a bit passan's defensive. I think this is a this is raptors twenty twenty did i screw up again while cody. Wow wow oh no. This is really embarrassing. I actually had. I have it written down on. My sheet is on this team see. It's funny because i thought about that too. But i've forgotten. Their defense was markedly better this year than the year before when cooper was on the team. Wow congratulations raptors. I team and thought was on your team at this. Actually it's really funny. I did the same thing i was. I was writing my notes for this earlier before. I like because i wasn't going to go through and watching you. I i watched like thirty five or forty of the twenty raptors games. Last year's pretty good on that And i was thinking. I was like wow. I forgot. You know like why was on this team. They're so good. And then i thought about. I'm like why wasn't on this frigging team. What am i talking about So i completely relate to that was did you say rhonda hollis jefferson. Did we not say ron day. But i should've he's why is he not on an nba team right. And i still think the same thing. Man i totally agree. He should be on an nba team. He was really good for them. Like that's exactly look at this. I mean like christmas and play big minutes last year but he gives you another guy with length off the bench. Jefferson played like. I think the ninth most winters on scene right around there patrick mccaw even like he's not a good offensive player. He can do some things as the ball handler. But like he's along quick athlete. And i think that's what stands out so much about looking at this raptors. Seen like that is. I don't wanna say it's like the future of team building or whatever but you look at a lot of guys who are athletic with incredible wing spans. That are smart. And that's i mean you look at the way that they play defense last year is just again. I know that they were below the bucks. I still think that defense is just like maybe part of just because i enjoy watching how frenetic they were like. They were so aggressive the way that they just completely help on everything they do things that your high school coach would yell at you for But then like the screaming closeouts. They do only they can do it. Because they have the length inability ability to get out to the corners and actually makes them look bad shots. I wealth raptors. I think it also speaks coaching there with bod being so set in his ways and not winding things up with the bucks defense that it really worked in those situations that box defense was phenomenal but when it came to a time where it's like all right. This isn't going to work. We need to do something else. That's where we're nick nurse really shine. I think that's where i kind of see where you're coming from with the raptors. I don't know if i'm quite there yet. But they were definitely built in coached better in a way to to be flexible on his centrally. Defend anything that was thrown at them. We i mean. I think that's what you look at. That's really special about that team. It's that they had the versatility and the willingness to actually be adaptable. Like it's not amoeba defense. But they i mean. We saw them in the playoffs. Obviously it's been since nick. Nurses been there but you saw tun last year to. They're willing to run box and one they will run zone. They'll do anything that they can to. Just try and mess up your offense and it works like the not as much this year. They've been not as good this year. I think it's starting to come back a little bit But last year was fantastic And i think that's. I don't wanna say it's like new mold of defense because i've preached the so many times i shouldn't say i think i'm a prophet or something but you look at the pacers this year. A lot of combo guards small wings and then to bates. When you're running into big lineup. You cannot play this kind of defense. It really frustrates me. Because we've been seeing that a lot this year so much milestone. there's been incredible. I think he is defensive player of the year currently regardless of what happened in the bucks game last night. i want to talk about it But you look at and we'll okay. We'll talk about for second. You look at that. It speaks importantly to coaching. Like you're talking about I'm not trying to i'm not. I'm not as smart as napier yorker. I'm not as smart as nick nurse. I'm sure they know the game better than i do. But like you look at milestone yesterday and he was on brook lopez's and they were. They told him okay. Help off brook lopez into the paint and contest anything at the rim. Well he can't really contest. I mean he would go in and cadets things at the rim but then he's being asked to close back on brook lopez and brook lopez shooting. Really damn well this year After a kind of an anomaly last year he is back to shooting league average from three. And that's good enough where you can't really be willing to sag off so instead of putting him on jaanus which again. That's not a great matchup for him but at least it gives them the ability instead of coming over late to try and contest. Something like i don't know i i'm not at the point where i wanna think completely threw. How would play him right now. But the point is like putting your guys on the spots is important like having dough. Masa bonus cross matched onto dante di vicenzo and having to clothe on on dante agenda. The modest opponents was not quick enough to close out to the corner at least routinely. And i mean even then if they run a a single center lineup. They have like tj mcconnell in iran holiday. Those guys are closing out to the corner closing out the shooter's and we'll there quick enough to get there. They don't have the same length and ability to really bother shots like the raptors. Do having when when you're playing like three or four floored wing size guys who all have plus wings spans. It can get am bother shots that means a lot. That's what makes that defense so good. I think that's one of the things that i struggle with. Looking at defenses in the league and the way coaches coach things again. I wanted i am not. I'm not a coach. I'm not as smart as the guys who are in the nba. But i think they try. And in some circumstances cater their roster to their scheme instead of catering their scheme to the roster. And i think that's just that's too big issue and even you could even make the case with nick nurse now like it's not as good anymore because they don't have the same kind of back line help that they used to have. So you can't you can't play the same way But yeah that's that's my really long rant on that. I was just going to make a point here. The last episode. We just did on sentence scale ability was all about offensive portability and i would like to have more of a conversation at some point about defensive portability because when you think about guys rudy gobert you think what miles turner you're like. Oh these are. The most impactful defensive players are in the league right now but if you had a lineup of five go bears or five turner's that's not an ideal defensive line right whereas if you had a five man line of say jaanus or prime draymond green or twenty sixteen or something like that. That's going to be a lot more effective than having those five because you can throw out a bunch of different schemes depending on depending on what you're going to be facing there so i think that speaks assault. What you were just saying here too. Yeah definitely and everything. It's tough to like. Because i think we have this concept in our minds sometimes especially like fans and not to shit on fans. I think it's unfair to that. I don't like when people do like there's a tendency to say okay miles turner's center so he should centers and will yes. That's definitely a valid point. There's it's just important to be variable and find ways to play him in his best position because his best position is coming over and helping from the weak side instead of having to you know help off of a shooter is not something you should be having to do. Like he can do it. But if you're not having him in a position where he can actually be a rim-protector the near doing a disservice so And you want so many players. But i think that is a good place to wrap up. Do you have anything else that you wanted to add before we out here. No but i guess at the bottom here. I wrote takeaways question mark so i wanted to kind of maybe three takeaways that i was thinking about right here and if you have any takeaways you want to add to that number one. I think i mentioned these before. You don't necessarily need a fantastic defensive guard to build a strong defense number two. You can't be anchored by just a single fantastic big man look at the current jazz. You need to be surrounded by a lot of other players and number three like we talked about in san scale ability. Yes unplugging that podcast a lot because we're young The importance of multiple rim-protector. So when your main rim-protector is away from the basket. You can have someone else swoop in and take away the easiest shots in the game so those are three big takeaways that i had looking through these teams. Yeah i would agree with that totally. I think the other thing that really stands out to me that we got ahead of on earlier is what makes teams lasting. Defenses is having that guy can actually guard a primary initiator for more than one possession Switch ability and everything nice. But i think that term is really cutesy in overblown now I think a lot of times. We'll see not even just coaches doing it. But i mean there are teams that that will just switch for the sake of switching and i i just don't i think that there has to be like more of a It's important to like no okay. We'll do i actually want which this or it doesn't make sense to switch this and again coaches are smarter than i am But i think it's something watching you can tell like Like another thing with pacers. Not picking on them. But i think they're just always on my mind because you know that's part of my job like okay. Why are you closing out to josh. Green of dallas mavericks. Who is never shot above thirty percent and his life is not was not a shooter at arizona. Is not a shooter now. This little things like that. Like if you cut the five percent out of just like little things that you can do to a conserve energy and be just try and play the math little bit or not. Even just play the math but just to play a little bit smarter. I think that makes a big difference. And i think we see that with a lot of these defenses. I completely agree with that. And beyond that. I don't have any other points. Yeah me neither will. cody this fun. To to anyone listening. Thank you for listening to us ramble for the last hour and a half. This was a blast did not feel like an hour and a half and doing it. If you agree disagree have any extra thoughts comments anything. Let us know we'd love to hear from you again. You know. I wanna posit. We said at the beginning was not like some final conclusion. Type thing we saw a lot of thoughts and wanted to go back through and look at. How defense has changed a little bit Over the last decade in what really stands out about the teams that were top teams over the past. Craziest say ten years talking about twenty eleven twenty twelve but Where we're at now but cody. This was fun again. Thank you to everyone for listening. Please be sure to rate and reviews podcasts on apple podcast really mean a lot always want hear from you. Of course go listen. Rate review census gala -bility. 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