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YL Mini-Cast Special Edition #1 - Glenn Austell and Caitlin Carr Interview

The Young Life Podcast

14:28 min | 10 months ago

YL Mini-Cast Special Edition #1 - Glenn Austell and Caitlin Carr Interview

"Low and welcome to the young life and many podcast. I'm your host. Brian summerall a different voice. Foyer because this is not the. Us Live podcast which will be back after this strain season were in currently. I know newt has big plans for the young podcast. That will be back in another season but for now we're doing the mini cast where we are going to be sharing best practices that Staff around the Michener using during this unique season that we find ourselves in of ministry and to start out our many cast. We're GONNA hear or visit with the Co area directors of young life in Lubbock Texas. And we're going to hear about a unique way that they have found to love and serve small business owners in their community but before we begin just a quick word of caution when Glen Ellyn Caitlyn car executed this plan to care for the small businesses in their area. Shelter in place was not in effect in Lubbock and as we know things are changing day to day and it was before the march twenty-fifth young life suspension of person to person contact in our ministry. But does that mean the heart of what they were doing to care for? Small businesses can't be accomplished in some way in your area. No not at all because if you understand what I teach in Ministry strategy and young life we always say if you understand the why behind what we're doing you can replace the what and you're what may look completely different than what we did. So as you listen to this interview. There's some wonderful things. They have come up with to care for people in their community but day to day things change and so understand the heart of it knowing you can change the what and we'll talk about how we can change those things under the guidelines were under now at the end of the interview all right. Let's welcome Glen Austell and Caitlyn car from Lubbock Texas to the PODCAST. Hello Glen Hello Kaelin Brian. Thanks Brian Good to be here. Thanks for joining me today as we put on the first of what will be a series of many podcasts. From young life as we talk about what's working in this strain season ministry that we find ourselves in and I thought of the two of you when I saw a quote about ministry during the season during the corona virus and the quote said does what we are doing. Speak More to our need to be seen or to serve. And there's a lot of virtual clubs out there and things I see an instagram. And that's great and everything but when I looked at what y'all were doing I really felt like it really was done from the heart of service for your community. I could you speak to either one of you or certainly. Both you speak to what you have done As a as a gift and as a service to small businesses in your community you know i. I've been here a long time in Lubbock and We'll be a decade ago realized that it was more than just about kids in our city it was about parents and business owners and university officials and public officials and that. Lada really was a big family and that my calling wasn't just to the kids of the city but really to the city and there have been so many benevolent people over the years and so many of them small local business owners shops or restaurants Who have waved. The flag for young lives who've been advocates for US whose kids were involved in young live for. Maybe they were when they were younger and they've supported in life through thick and thin over the years. Some wheels started turning on us to has the question of. What can we do to care for them? During this time because no doubt small business was getting hit hard nationwide and we want to be able to care for Leno that we stand with them. Let them know that. We're in their corner that we'd love him. They were grateful for their miles and miles of support of young life and that we support them and so we wanted to put together a just a gesture so we started putting together these black boxes. He's corrugated boxes upsize of shoe boxes and put an Air Lubbock gang life coffee Mug maybe a ball cap handwritten note or this is the season for handwritten notes along with a t shirt that we did. We decide that our love again life logo on the front and on the back it simply says shop eat and young life local in Lubbock Texas. So we kind of. It's just a goofy gesture. But I mean life's heck. We've been goofy for years but we didn't just want to drop off something in somebody's place of business say. Hey here's a bunch of stuff. Good luck but we wanted to not only make a drop-off this black box with a handwritten note this great gesture but we also wanted to spend a little money at their place of business if we could if it was a local business where we could do something like that whether it was a clothing shop or restaurant or so forth. And so we've been doing that and I- anticipated early. Hey we'll we'll drop this off the five minute drive. If we see the person they'll smile will smile. We'll buy something that'll be that that'll be that'll be nice. And maybe they'll feel at will put a smile on their face for a little while and what we found is that as we've been making these drops. Those conversations are not five minute conversations. They are lingering thirty and forty five minutes sixty minute conversations with some dear friends some people in this city who are struggling and hurting and scared to death and need someone to talk to need a young life leader really and as been a real privilege to to stand out in the parking lot with a shop owner shed tears with them to try and give them six away and Look at him in the eye on site boy. We're with you just as you have been with us. I just as Christ is with us. We are with you now and it's been it's been as much of a. I think a gift to us as it has Folks that we have been dropping boxes off with an. We didn't see that coming. We just saw. This would be a nice gesture because we care about these people but it's turned into far more than that right as that's amazing and and what a great thought and a great idea. Caitlyn ANY STORIES. You have from time dropping off the the black boxes and the and the t shirts or time you had with any small business owners yesterday with the last couple days. Yeah I think I like how Glynn described it as a witness That's definitely what we do in young life and it's been sweet that these small business owners are might have a high school kid of their own. Who has been impacted by young life or they were a young kid wants themselves And I think not only those but when we got these t shirts printed we've been using the small local t shirt shop for the last couple of years in When we went to pick up these shirts you know Amelia order shirts. How many times a year but this one just kind of a hey. Why don't we try this? And we have the money to do it right now. And we called up our friends at this t shirt company and asked him if we place disorder replaced order when we went to pick them up to see their gratitude for the business that we had given him in. I think his wording was I asked how they were doing and he said well your job. This week kept us in business this week. And we don't know what's coming next week and just here That I mean you know it. It did cost us something but we had the money to do it. The Lord is provided every step of the way in to be able to be. I guess what they needed that week. You know the Lord New I think put that on our hearts and therefore to be able to place that order and get that done I know meant the world to these people in think just hearing him say that line it impacted me that we we really are living in a time where it's it's week to week if not day to day one of our friends who owns really the premier outdoor store in West Texas List carries twelve to fifteen employees. He has been an advocate for young life. Since the I arrived in ninety eight in his hands with us on our sporting clays events on our Christmas gifts for college while in tears. He's been so generous discounted us on everything and we stopped by to talk to Him. And he was the only one at his shop Spent fifty bucks with An. He asked him to pick me out shirt that he knew that I would like and he sure did And when we began to talk and he they've been open since nineteen ninety two guys my age and he said Glen. This is a this is a death sentence for us We are dead in the water. He said I am averaging a hundred dollars a day in sales. And I don't know what to do. I don't know where to go from here. If Anything as Ministers Gospel. It's a chance for us to pray with people right then in there. It's a chance for us to to to put a social distancing arm around them so to speak and onto Jesus. I must remind them that. Hey were were in this with you. And whatever we can do to leverage young life the name of young life your locally to get the word out about your business today or this week. We're going to do that and so it would have privileged this and you can go check out the mountain. Hideaway Lubbock Texas if you'd like to do some online ordering through the mountain hideaway or the House of ink in Lubbock Texas. Does Oliver t-shirt protect you. Know we've also talked about their Areas out there in fact most of them that are not in a financial position right now to put together t shirts and coffee cups and merchandise to be able to make a drought. I. I would ask Caitlyn. What would you do have to say to some of our colleagues out there that are struggling financially but still figure out ways to bliss Local businesses and individuals in their town. I just keep thinking it's just remembering remembering people In showing up in their world the best way we can with all their restrictions in place right now and asking them questions you know how are you? How is your family? What does your world look like right now because there might be some way that we could meet a need if it isn't anything other than praying. Isn't that the work anyways to be with people to pray with them just the Ministry of presence now in showing up In our communities world in saying okay how. How can what we do in who we are? As Ministers of the Gospel Relational people care for people in such a bizarre time. Right now And I think to from our social media from the way that we've been living through this I think high school kids are taking note of that. Were not making this time about us about others We don't make things about US often forever but I think just the idea that high school kid can even go. Okay if he unlocks doing this in caring for places in our community. Is there a way that I could do that in my world too and I think that that that matters are Glenn Caitlyn thank you so much for giving us your time today? Thanks for sharing these ideas with will be beneficial to other young as as we look for ways not just to be seen but to serve others during the strange season that we're in so we greatly appreciate it thanks. Fan. It's always done catching up with you. Thank you Brian. Especial thanks to Glenn Austell and Caitlyn car for joining us today and remember to stay within the guidelines of what young life has asked us to currently do of no person to person contact and our ministry. But that doesn't mean we can't accomplish the heart behind what Glenn and Caitlin are doing that we can do so through packages dropped off at a doorstep if that still allowed in your area if not a package mailed with great handwritten note followed up with a phone call just to check on people and let them know. We're praying for him and we're thinking of them and then doing business with them online or promoting that through our social media so with that in mind always check out young life dot Org for the latest guidelines during this season of ministry. We'll be back soon with interviews and more resources for you but I hope you'll hit subscribe if you haven't already but until then please take care and we'll talk to you.

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The Best Moments of The BBQ Central Show in 10 Minutes or Less

The BBQ Central Show

09:24 min | 1 year ago

The Best Moments of The BBQ Central Show in 10 Minutes or Less

"This is the best moments of the barbecues central show in ten minutes or less ever wish you could listen to your favorite interview or segments. Do you enjoy choice. Older shows for the first time in years but by moments of the Barbecue Central Show in ten minutes or less. He's just would you need thanks for listening and enjoy the show. Welcome to a brand new year and welcome to a brand new to the best moments of the Barbecue Central Show in ten minutes or less. Today's show comes from January. Twenty eighth two thousand fourteen. His Dirani lots is in. I believe this is Ronnie second visit to the barbecue central show he and Gregor GonNa finally get caught up on his G.. Is it gene. Is it g you know. And if you don't know let me know and I'll let you know let's get right to it here. Is Greg Enron you odds from January twenty eight back in two thousand fourteen. Oh look at that. You're quite the artist. Yeah aw I should've stayed Pin striping Donovan a barbecue restaurant. Whatever you do? We'll get into that in a second running down to let me get back my show show shut off her second. Now look for the people that don't know Ronnie lots or they aren't Frequenting the neighborhood coming in and partaking in your beers and your barbecue restaurant restaurant stuff if you could give us a quick abridged version of kind of how you got into this whole business of was at a restaurant I was at a bar. I all happen at the same time. Just a short version man. We did this last type. Here's what happened. Last time. There was such a leg in a delayed rambled rambled. I I know it's hard to believe it's not happening right now for sure. I know I'm trying not to look you know. Oh I used to cook for a bunch of wrestlers. And they're not for some reason you know barbecue it just felt right and then I. I don't know a lot of things. I opened this cigar store. You know behind the studio pinstripe. The cars at work with these wrestlers. Whatever I started cooking and I moved here and here at cigars striped I just why made the biggest mistake of my entire existence? Certainly some declaration listen to me. You're the big screen right now. Mr Aram I can hear me in the background. Oh well good good because you know what I I actually have guys in here with handmaid's spice there passed around like like you know like I don't know what they're doing. They're like trading spices. I'm GonNa tell you something the big show. For whatever it's worth tell you it came out of the woodwork tonight. To See your show and I thank you very much. I got these guys that listen this is right up your alley. You guys are into the competition barbecue. It's what you do. I'm begging those people to listen. If you're a barbecue restaurants are barbecue competition guy. Stay doing what you're doing with your friends. You know what I mean right out on the weekend drinker. Goddamn beer ten. Just do it enjoy it. I could hear laughing back then. You ought to delay listen. I'm not kidding. Because once you entered the arena of a barbecue restaurant your life is going to be internal hell. You'll never or be able to do nothing. What you like? You have read my mind Ronnie because this was GONNA be my next question. We're talking with Ronnie lattes. Let's right now. I don't want to interrupt you but right now that listen you just air call themselves the ball and hogs. I don't know they hit a big barbecue contest here in Glen Ellyn Illinois. They took first first place out of sixty one contestants. I'm going to give them a plug hate. You know what they're here and God blessed they're spending money and they're watching your show. I'm telling you on a big screen right analysis now. Look I was just talking to a guy last week. Who does this barbecue thing for a living a little bit it different than your setup that you have? But he's getting into a physical location soon enough he was a real big into the open. Air Markets Down in South Central California. What is it seems if I am deducing? What you're telling me properly that what you're doing in in this Barbecue world the Barbecue restaurant You know how much work really goes into it for you. Are you somebody there I mean. Is this an act. It's you're putting on and and you're really. They're just kind of managing. But you're you're allowed some downtime or are you there. Twenty four seven all. I look at my dashboard today. I'll tell you something in the blazing sun in Chicago right now. It is negative three degrees. That was this afternoon now tonight. We're going to go below seventeen. I'm GonNa tell you something every single morning. Mark my words if your barbecue contest guy whatever you WANNA do open up your barbecue havoc restaurant. Your ass is going to be up at five o'clock in the morning you're gonNA put your fucking ribs in you're gonNA put your Goddamn your wings. You're going to like it a G. What do you want me to say? You think it's a joke. Oh yeah this is what I'm telling everyone. Giggles you have a boat team barbecue kill you barbecue. Hey everything we smoke outside gene. Everything you've got a big giant national pride in their behind me you the light. You see catching yes. Those are the guys from Mexico now than starting to build by catching Mexico. You WanNa make ribs you throw the one that you watching you know what I mean when you bite into the gene. It is what it is. Let's clear something up here right now. Because I'm getting a lot of instant messages. I think one thing is happening and you and I and people think another. Are you calling me gene. Are you using the letter G. J. who's the guy from Berlin. What's his name? Who Guy it's got a name dislike yours? Was that my brother Chris Ramsey guy from Berwick read. His name's key. I think could be a a lot of t's but I told everybody that we have a you and I we have a relationship so you've shorten my name from Greg to the letter G. But everybody says you keep calling calling me gene or you're not calling me gene. Are you by calling out G. Yeah see back macaw for crying out loud the other guy right g listen to ban. These people are crazy running. I look let me ask you something now. Look let me ask you one last question a one last question before I let you go running. Do I gotta go what you have a business to run. I can only take so much of your valuable time. Now listen you seem to have a What some would call in a bullying personality There's a word called charisma which seems to be overflowing your cup. Have you ever thought about Trying out for these fan dangled barbecue shows like barbecue pitmasters. It seems like it would be right up your alley. They would be drawn to your magnetism awesome of personality and it would be like great. TV plus all things aside. You know how to cook to answer the question believe. I don't believe I would do that. Why not I don't believe I haven't in me? I don't believe in cameras shy. I don't think I could ever do that. You know aw gee I don't know what to tell you man. Listen I'm GonNa tell you this gene. I can't see now. But this is James Greg under sparkle with I listen. They did that settle. It did that. Not Satellite I don't know but I do know if you want to hear the rest of this show head over the BBQ central show dot com. There will be a lincoln the show notes that will take you to the complete episode. And don't forget every Tuesday nine PM Eastern Greg. GRANDPA does it live on the really big barbecue central show once again head over dude. BBQ Central Show Dot Com. All of your viewing and listening options are going to be. You're right there personally. I like to check the show on Youtube. They have a great chat. Stop into the Youtube Chat Room and say hello until next time on the best moments of the Barbecue Central Show in ten minutes or less. I'm Heroes John Solberg. I look forward to talking to you again soon.

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'Will & Grace' co-star Sean Hayes

Recode Decode

1:11:55 hr | 2 years ago

'Will & Grace' co-star Sean Hayes

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Hi, I'm Tara Swisher editor at large of Recode. You may know me as the star of a new sitcom about living with Casey Newton called the couple, but in my spare time, I talk tech and you're listening to Rico decode from the vox media podcast network today we're gonna play a really fun interview. I did in Los Angeles recently with Sean Hayes, who's one of the stars will and grace, but he's also a movie producer and online video star and tech investor. This interview was recorded in front of a live audience at the BoomTown brewery in Los Angeles. Let's take a listen. We have a really great one who I've known for quite a while, and he's one of the funniest people, I know, but he's also pretty his beyond that. You think he is? He's obviously famous from willing Grayson's over there doing his emails. No, I just find you fascinating. I find you fascinating the smartest people in Hollywood, thinking about where things are going in the digital age too, and so we're going to talk about the show and talk about his career and a little bit about what the things he's doing, including he's doing some investments in different things like that. So Sean Hayes, get up here. Thank you so much at such a pleasure to be here with you. Yeah, here in new city didn't know how to get here glasses. Yes. I know we do. We, we like them and back to and what black. Yeah, something like. Hi. So you didn't know this area of town, right? You're like, how? What? The never I never come down here and you realize after when you drive down town Los Angeles that it really is like a whole. They're cool vibe that I'm not nearly cool enough for. Right. See you stay over on the west side of salmon, nerd side, tight. Okay. So we took a little bit about a lot of things including will, and grace and other things like that. But that works perfectly on willing great. But I do want to get into the idea of what you do because you do things. Well beyond it, I think I was surprised by how much producing you do and things. And so it's really important. I talk about your background. I ask everyone about their background. You came from Illinois, Woz, Illinois, wa. Everyone was and you grew up in a small town. I grew up in Glen ellyn. Illinois is a suburb of Chicago dad left when I was five. Mom raised five kids by yourself. So dad left the reason you mean wanted to drink and wanted to party. And I was like, that sounds like a great idea, but. I'm five. Yes, right. Wish I could join you. So, but my mom was extraordinarily and she worked all the time, but she was still great mom as as great as she could be. So we kind of ourselves, but she had the option when my dad left to have a secretarial position or start a nonprofit organization feeding the poor and the homeless. They none friend of hers. Okay. And that's what she chose. You didn't take door number two, which would paid for food in their mouths, right. But we always got a couple. We will one of those families that need the food. So we so she did the right thing for twenty five years. She helped run a food Bank called northern Illinois food Bank, which is part of second harvest. Bigger thing. I don't know if anybody's turn base five kids at the San race raised by yourself. Well, we parented ourselves, you know, we, we had to learn how to, you know, we kind of weren't. We didn't treat everybody each other. Great because we were hurting so that we heard sometimes. I bet we also laughed a whole lot. Here's an older we got. There was a lot of drinking in our house. Our house was the cool house for all the kids came over to drink and hang out, and I just wanted to sleep in practice my piano. Okay. All right. So and you brothers and sisters, what did they end up doing? My oldest brother of no idea what he does something in the where in a warehouse. My second oldest brother have no clue. My third oldest brother, no idea. And my sister. What? Because you know they start talking about over the phone, right? Like what do you do? Well, we do this stuff in the warehouse where the hip track. I'm like, I can't keep track. So my sister with them still, I do, yes. You know, its relationship with everybody. I'm close with my sister. She's the most emotionally available. And so and that's where I live as well. Part of the corner, and she was a cop and then she in run Ellen where the scariest thing is somebody might get stolen. Right. And so and then she moved to Wisconsin and is now. Working in a place. It's a waste of time. All right. Tell you what it is if you really wanna know she works in a place that does two things in the same office, they sell stationary and they sell the equipment that kills from animals. Okay. Same to cut off the balls. You know. Really, that's what she does. She doesn't stationary. I understand the cutting off balls part, but how does the stationary become part of that? Okay. They do. That's what they do the same company that is that. All right. So how did you get out of this place? It's really why? Why would you want to know? So I, I was five, six years old and I came home from school. My mom said, there's a girl. This woman has the street teaching piano, piano lessons. I said, I'm not doing anything else. So I started taking piano lessons at five stuck with it. Start entering competitions in highschool got into theater because that's the funny people out and that made me laugh. So I was a concert pianist thought was when you did that with my life and be a conductor and ended up pursuing music, you know, piano and then cedar minor never really graduated and got honorary doctorate. Okay. Okay. So you and still not clear how you got Hollywood, but go ahead. Oh, sorry. Sorry. See you doing this in Chicago mineral the middle of the center. So we were kidding we were doing. We were ju- I started I was a music director at a dinner theater in Saint Charles, annoy called pheasant, run dinner theatre, and we did a lot of great shows and they're started getting auditions and stuff as an actor. But I was in the little tiny bit wishing I was because when you're in the pit of musical night after night after night after show after show after show you're like, it's like watching the same movie over them. You can't really talk to anybody because it'd be quiet. This is living hell, right? So, but it's great job dinner theaters, Oklahoma, we did Oklahoma west, yes, vita, but the actress didn't do the waiting tables or anything. Okay. It was legit legit theater. It was like the sun times and the Chicago Tribune, and everybody would come down. I review the shows. They said, are Beata upstage the original. It was really great show really amazing chef. Right? And so. Anyway, see store in Saint Charles Illinois. Okay. And then, but I sort auditioning, sorry, back up to five or six. Seven. Eight years old. My mom and dad when we were all really little, how does it for commercials and stuff, which I thought that was odd. But so like a man came over and interviewed us one by one one. Second. If you're listening, I just a picture, right? Okay. Then. So that person came over and we talked and I started going downtown taking a dishes for like United Airlines that nothing happened to that. Then I started doing this doesn't run and did some acting in high school and college. And then I was like, it's so much more fun to be up there than in the pit. So I started, I'll just thinking just booking commercial after commercial to commercial commercial. And then I was like, well, this is all we get in Chicago are like we get commercial work. Movies don't come. Does you have ten thousand actors? Additionally, for one line. Malone's. Yes, exactly. Right. Exactly. What was I addition? Very bad while you were sleeping. Oh yes. Like worse nineteen. Maybe that's right. Heroin here. Yeah. Yeah. And so did that. And then so all the actors and the friends of mine started booking stuff. I was like, let me. So I started doing that and city or anything. I did the training program in second city for a couple of years, but it never performed on stage. Right. So so that happened, I'm catching catching you. Okay, good. And get to Los Angeles. Then I decided I'm just going to do it on twenty four years old, right? If I don't look back, I'm young enough. It doesn't work out and come back to this job. Right? And so Anna clumps gives on veep in fiddler on the roof if isn't run dinner theatre okay. At the same. She was also an anti right after my girl. Remember that movie my girl with so that she did that and came because she lives Chicago, and I've been friends with her since she was nine years old right anyway. So she was in Chester who then became a regular later, came back to see. Right. MVP now and actually Katrina Lenk who just won the Tony this year. She's pheasant run. There's a lot of people from fezzet run that like, yeah, it was very cool anyway. So she I pack my car, say goodbye to Finland roof cast, and I moved to Beverly. Sunrise sunset. Yeah. And you all the way to California? Yeah. So knowing at all. Are you at all? So you go to Los Angeles near in commercials again? Right? A little bit of ammo. Yeah, because I had a demo reel with somebody commercials got a commercial agent right away, right because I was a bigger fish in smaller small in Chicago. So just kind of keep biggest commercial there. I had two spots on the commercial on the Super Bowl, right in one thousand nine hundred eighty s Doritos and Bud Light. Yeah, the Bud Light spot. I was shopping with my wife and there was a close rounder, and you're all these guys are inside the close rounder barbecuing and watching the game. And I was like, this is awesome about that one. And then the famous Derina here in the straight man voice was awesome. No, that was the straight man. Didn't know that was just fun. He's a straight who spun, you know, I always say if I didn't act, if you didn't say Jack, was Garin will, and grace you would just be the cookie next door neighbor. Right, right. Sure. Right? Sure. For comfort? Yes. You're right anyway. So you didn't read us. The Doritos wants that same. I was at Sundance the Sundance film festival, right with a starring role as billion Billy's Hollywood screen, kiss, right. All those commercials, airing said that there was a lot of what they call heat around me. Yes. Okay. All right. You're probably familiar with your ventures. Yes, I have a lot of, yes, we're gonna talk about those fine. Okay. Was. And so because of that, I was sitting at a theater at Sundance film festival starring in this movie, this NBC executive sitting in the audience. I haven't even seen the movie yet. He tax shelters like you're Sean Hayes, you're in this movie. I said, yeah, he was, we're casting this sitcom will, and grace would you come in and read for will? And I was like, well, not right now. 'cause I'm about to watch the movie, but maybe when it's done. And so I didn't have the money to change my ticket to fly back early to see because I wanted to experience because we can. But that train has left had left, and they found the brilliant Eric McCormack to play well, at the time I came back, they said, would you read for the other guy? And I said, sure. And that's how it happened. That's like, and that interested for a long time. How many years is that on? That was on eight years now to third next major, so eleven. So so there was a very different era television you were just show. Yeah, yeah. I never done a TV show either just in commercials and maybe a guest spot on like one of those crime reenactment shows like a dead body or one. Thanks for the confidence, but now. I was. I was. I don't remember. It was like. I saw the body of the river, that kind of thing that same straight. I've always. So one goes one thinking took off back then. Just I think I know, isn't it bizarre that it's, it's still blows my mind that somebody that Warren Littlefield there was a script of three great produced mazing right? There was a script of three couples and one of the couples with the gate high in the street girl and Warren said, one screw the other couples. Why don't you do this is the most interesting thing, and my best friend's wedding had just come out with Julia Roberts. Best friend, right, right. Was what's his name, that guy that guy Rupert Rupert Everett and I met him, but he seems angry and interviews. Yes, so, but I hope you say. I guess because if you've seen him in much lately, what's up. No. Good point. Thank you so. And so by the time we're done this, Mike pack, burn a hole through my intestines, my skin, no, so that had come out and so warm to do that, and and that's kind of wide happened. But it still blows my mind that that NBC right picked up show a gay guy. Right? And even in the pilot after tested stupid, people had no idea what was gay. Even though he said, I'm Danny things that. People didn't like that. All that girls funny. They're like that dude's gay. How long what did go on that? They didn't know he was gay. They clearly find out like third, fourth, fifth episode, right? Still you highly actually series of political shows on the air Ellen coming out, right? We always say she opened the door and we kicked it down, right? So she without that, you know, we all passing the baton, and then you have modern family with a couple of with a kid. Right? So you know, hopefully hopefully I don't. I'm not saying we did. It helped in. They'll help somebody else, but then even changed back. It seemed like there was because there was there was the joke that the character of Karen met play, Meghan Molly brilliantly on the show when Bush was in office when the after Clinton that we were still on Bush was in office. She goes, I go Karen as a gay man, and she goes Honey, didn't you hear gays in anymore? Yeah, it's funny like it's not. How is it either right? Just be. So what do you think? I think willing grace did because it would normally scabies or people out word. I know why he's that word. But to me, I rub me the wrong way. I'm going to tell you. Normalize is I know right. A top me here. What straight guys ever tried to. Does your day. So. The joke. You guys got. He's thinking about the next thing. She doesn't just be in the moment. So what now, what was the question. The size. Why are you trying to tell me on pigging out what to do next. Is wide normalized angry about, but just because the word normal, I was always felt normal, but people, right. So that whole thing, but, but to use your normalized, you, I think willing? No. I just think just like the jeffersons in good times by the way, the Cosby show present problem excluded at the time, the Bill Cosby show that was like people were and. Floored that black man could be. Doc, Dr and black women could be loyal. Amazing, right. And soon breath people that was like. Happens. Yeah, yeah. So so I think the same thing with will and grace was people were just like floored that like two gay men could be friends, but not have a relationship and actually be a best friend to all of it. And that I think is what people are constantly striving to create in Hollywood relationships. You've never seen before because that is a great percolation for a lot of new fodder fodder. So you do that for eight years, and then it ends eight. And the reason energy just things after mutual like maybe we are maybe exhausted it and the network was like, yeah, because the ratings were more as cute mean there were pretty big anybody would kill for those now. But you know also, it's it's that syndrome of in the time that will and grace. I think this is most of it in the time that will, and grace was on the air. NBC had gone through maybe six presidents and in different in different owners. Of course, it's like who. Who's our parent who's watching this right for us, you know, who's watching out for us. And so I think. Moon does, but go ahead. For sure. Okay. I think there's a little bit of that going on with the new guy was like, I want my hands on hitch shows, and this was maybe might not be true, but I think maybe part of the west. Right? And so you. The in on. I think one of the things you did produce a lot of things realize, I think the ears sort of Ryan Seacrest d. Sending about Ryan. Yeah, yeah. So I try Harza can be self aware sometimes I fail miserably on a daily basis, but when I tried yourself where I try to see what was in front of me and knowing history, what happens with sitcom characters that are have impact like mine had and so you go, well, I need a place to go. When I get up in the morning, how am I going to fix this? What's the solution. I'd say that's a lot of actors like fine and a lot of actors enjoy just acting and that's great. I my brain works a little bit like yours where it's just like I need the next thing I need multiple things going on because it's it fills my soul that went onto focus on myself. Okay, right. And so the damage, right. If I just keep busy and the tears don't come, but. So I went said someone who is, why aren't you in therapy? I said, I don't know. I'm pretty happy and they go your blocking. I said, it's working. Brockett you're bucking. We block. Yes, football. So then so you're doing this and you decide to do, then? I was like, where am I going to go? When am I going to do? And then Tom Hanks is a friend and I saw what he was doing with play tone. There's a corporate example. I would say I wanna wear braids says WW HD what Tom Hanks to. Right, right. And so. President, we would wouldn't. We all be better off. Dog. We would be listen to us. Yeah. Got a dog would bring us together at least so. But isn't it interesting what we don't have to go. Yeah, but yeah, so I decided to do something about that and started producing with my friend, and I went to college with Todd milliner who's a genius, and we had two shows that we started out with called one was situation colon comedy because that was just the start of people not figuring out multi-cap sitcoms, why? Why don't people watching them anymore. And so we had a kind of project greenlight show remember project green but for TV. So we had submissions of people sending in a half hour multi-cap sitcoms and we were going to read them all. We'd them down pick two or three shoot them and have America which one they wanted to see go to series, which ended up being way out of its time because Amazon started Zack and then built and just gigantic studio, but we ended up doing it. NBC decided not to like that's a cute show. We're not putting that on the one that one. So. And then the other one was called underexposed. We gave a very vague script to three filmmakers to make go off and who have twenty four hours to make short film based on Hello. Hello. How are you? My God? What's that? It's coming this way. You know, they had to interpret what that was. And so and the the judges were treaty Styler, John fan, bro, and Craig's Laden whose friend of mine just passed away anyway. So those are the first two shows and then we didn't work for seven years. And then we've done tons. We produced grim hot in Cleveland, huge grandma, and then hot in Cleveland with Betty white and all those great girls and then Hollywood game night, which is still on shooting right now. History of comedy on CNN right now and bunch of stuff. And we just started first movie called lazy, Susan starring me where I play a woman. I play Susan as he sees play. The man the whole time woman woman the entire time. How do you look? I look not attractive. You got into me. Okay. Well, I like now the whole. Okay. I chose that last time. I've just like less man. You do. I was going to say to to, yes, I do. I was just re-signed telling people I was I've been doing some research on some of the e commerce companies stitch fix one of them, and so I was try- stitched where they send you stuff and you send it back. Do you know about these? No. Tell me company went public. I think it went public public, a new. They send you five things and then you find pieces, clothing, you have to say clothing, clothing. I'm okay. Okay. Five things like my niece. They send you a box of. Five ring and they kept sending clothing that was all wrong for me, there was froze going on there. There's many of those say, Senate back studying back and then one day stuff started coming that I liked, and then all of a sudden all five things, things I like things. And so I guess a story I'm getting there and and. Things. I love anyway. So back to. So the stylus and the finish a story. 'cause you're such an asshole. Style said, I finally figured you out your simple drudge. Innis. Oh, I don't think was a compliment, but I like simple, simple unintelligible. This is my look anyway, but it's comfy. I don't like I don't. Yeah, because it's the second I walk in that door, my house, pajamas everything. All right. Okay. 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There's different kinds of right were more work both we're both created and packaging. So we act like own little mini studio. So we will find a writer director and actor and the idea I p and try to patch him, put it together, which is a lot of work, but we run over drive. So we do that with many like with twenty things at one time. And so I think now the good news for us is people need content more than ever, right? There's so many end. There's so many outlets which is also bad for viewer ships and and making money because you have split now this pile of viewership and billion right ways, which is good and bad. There's going to that. There's if you find your niche like you have you make a living pretty good living. So we still, we have a deal Universal Studios. So now we have our to provide, you know, content mainly for them, right. For the studio, not necessarily for the student what they're looking for and so but I don't know. So so day to day, we tried to deal with NBC or universal, not NBC versus doing things for all because you have more choice that you go to Amazon marvelous MRs Mazel high show. I think right now on Amazon. Right? And then you have now Jennifer sulky games to be vice president at, as you see is now president took over from the guy who had some issues price state getting line getting. Right. We'll talk about that in a second, the every. Why don't you as a producer do you think about Amazon and Google or apple is now moving. The deal, Jennifer, Aniston and Reese Witherspoon. Yeah. I think Apple's doing it right though. Apple had two shows a year to ago and they asked me to host count karaoke, right? And I was like, why? Right? Why would I host that? Because James corden brilliantly. That's right. And now you're breaking off making and I started telling them everything that why that wouldn't work and hunt. Got thanks, John. And then but now they're doing it right there stockpiling and they're gonna launch huge. It's exactly and they have billions of dollars to do. That's what I mean. You look at that when you have that in the new. Also, Google is obviously going to get into it in somewhere. I'm trying to do original always ask people like, where is this going? Because nobody knows. Right, right. So where's this going with five hundred thousand new shows every year, right. So tell me, I don't know. That's why I wanna know. I don't like nobody knows. That's why I'll always be employed because we'll be. But the problem is ownership, right? So the networks now have our. Beginning a dinosaur business, right? But but I think you know, the streaming companies have figured it out, but everybody wants to wall held hostage now because if you're unless you're not a writer producer, who's created the show right as a non writing producer like myself and there's many of us, you know ownership, right? So you have to make better deals if you can with the success that you've built right better deals with. I mean, have you have you thought about going like Shawa rhymes has gone to Netflix, a writer show right Murphy show so they that they will be going to them now because the money's better and the freedom is right, right, exactly. So they can almost like by the way by the way that do Shauna rhymes in Orion Murphy leave leave what? Right? So that's the thing. It's like these guys are just these are the new networks, right? That's all right. Everything's exactly the same everything. They make deals with people. People are going to St.. Because they can do their creative freedom. The deals are better. There's ownership they can. You can swear you tell real stories network is dinosaur business because they have to rely on the affiliates still and advertising and that they are limiting because you have to watch what you saying do. Right. So what would you prefer? It was pretty well. Anybody creative would like to be out of the chains? Right. Have you talked to some of these companies? Have you gone to meet with them? Yes, of course. We have relationships everywhere. Right. So what is your digital? Who do you do that with now? Because you have an NBA so-so Mike company, hazy mills productions. We have employees called hazy mills because I'm Hayes, Todd milliner went to college at Illinois state university in the middle of the cornfield and all you would see those mills. Okay. You're welcome. Okay, thank you so. So we have in our company, we have employees that are heads of reality, digital film, TV, comedy, TV, drama. So everybody has different. So we are working on all those things every day. Right. And so now podcast podcast which we spoke about before this leads thing, and why do you say that? Because WWE HD. Tom Hanks said, right, did he do? But I'm just saying, constantly have to think forward and think about Tom started a production company. So long ago before other actress started them. Right. And so I thought that was so cool. And so so in keeping with trying to stay on top of that and where this is going, you know, Jeffrey Katzenberg is launching new TV, right? So we had a conversation with him about that. What's that make men from very well? You do? Yes. Very, I don't know her. Well, she's from e bay until I wonder how she can produce television, but. Okay. Okay. Well, we'll see. We'll see. Yeah. Well, it's it's. Yeah, it's ten minutes when I'm to understand is it's ten minutes increments guys know about this. Yeah, this is a new thing where they're producing ten minute shows, quote, unquote, very expensive that are very expensive, but to it's for the on the go person on the phone and the right, whatever you're on the subway. Tell me what you think. It's a mistake to young people wanna watch edible food are edible, TV agree, full plan. So I can't come into fully, but I automatically people will want to sit down and watch our program our program. All of MRs Mazel and once one sitting, but we'll know not one, but yeah, you know what I mean? They're able to watch things. I mean, this is a new way to produce content and distribute. It still doesn't mean my work. So getting back. So as a producer, you always looking for different angles young do deal with anybody like that. Well, yeah. What's that? What we do a web deal or made sense for us. Yeah, and it was people understood our brand. Yeah. Do you? We've been so happy very well taken care of with with with NBC universal television. You think people will ultimately watch everything on these small devices. Is that how you think as a producer think is? Yes, I think forever they will. You know, you've heard this million times. Your TV is actually going to be a monitor. It's. Yeah, it is now has now, so so it's just a bigger monitors watch will and grace the time that it's on ever ever really. I never. I don't watch it on the night. Everybody really does anymore. And yeah, it's it's about the return. Great. So here you are doing this production of very successful shows producer you've had quite a few heads. Why did you decide to do this to come back? Yeah, we did an election video in two thousand sixteen to lend our voices in the best way. We knew how which was through this show instead of tweeting or standing on so box or whatever. So max much Nick, the creators of grace came said, yeah, we haven't seen each other eleven years, whatever ten year, ten years. Let's everybody wanted to do this lecture video if we write it and we're like, yeah, of course. That'd be great. The crew us writers. Everybody got together for free. Nobody got paid. We did it in secret and we didn't even know we win. To this stage that was below another stage and we did. We called that food. So as the as the codename. That's a long, long story. Why that so so so we shot hot food, released it and millions and millions and millions of people watched. And we're like, wait what? Yeah. And so that's how it happened. And then then that work hall, but you wanna do this and we actually had a dinner at my house just the four of us and we talked about it and we're like, yeah, it seems like now is the time by then we conversation after our current president got quote unquote elected. Okay. And so, yeah, and so we thought we had something to say about that. We have something to say about these people, these characters living in time that everybody else's living in. Right. So that's what's cool about the show these characters. Yeah, we've probably be over there. These characters experienced things the same way America. Yeah. So at the same. Time about that sort of return to like, there's a lot. There's several of now after Murphy Brown just came back us very sharp. Thanks writing. These. I worry about when things come back with it. They're going to be. For you or. No, because we, we had long conversations about what this would look like and before we like, let's do it because now we have proof of concept now we now we knew people wanted it to come back, right? So before we decide to, let's really sit down and talk about what this looks like, what these characters would be. And so and they're very self aware enough to write the character self-aware, so ageism, all of those things were written because we have to write with audience things. Right. And do you know some of these things are not good? They're not. They don't shouldn't. Quick fix exactly for ratings for network in this kind of climate, right in this kind of meaning the down much lower every every single show on television. Right? Except for events like Super Bowl and all those things. Right. So how do you deal with that and musical? How do you, how do you conceive of his show? If that's the case, if this? Well, they have to figure out and I'm sure they aren't already have, and this is the part that I'm don't. I'm not behind closed doors of is they have to figure out how to how to. Make deals with the advertisers about same day plus three plus seven and DVR numbers. I don't know how that works, but you can't just say, well, you got a point, five near shows cancel well. Now they're factors that culminate in the decision of making a show a hit, you know, so that you have to. Yeah, what is because our numbers go huge, three plus three last year in plus three plus seven. We were like the number three show on television, right? It was like big bang and football and willing grace. Yeah, it's been successful and I was just the writing or is it the show? I think to find from an actress perspective, I think we're so in the skin of the characters that people pick up on that and see that we try to play it as real as possible because the problem with the format now it is so old. It is aging that a lot of people on that. Yeah, a lot of actors act presentational. Yeah, because it is very theater. Yeah. So so feels unreal. And yes, there's nothing real about our show either. It's. But I guess people react to and yes, the writing and it's just, you know, as if you if you cut all the bullshit out about talking about right now, it's just funny. Yeah. Yeah. All type give shit about. Yeah. Yeah. And do you, you're going now for three seasons. How long do expect this to go on? I was like, well, it did because the first show was what in the Trump White House. Is that right? Having sex at the right, right. Right. I remember that. Yeah, that first season was back with sixteen episodes were doing eighteen now and eighteen next year, right? So that will bring us to around two hundred and forty ish episodes. Cheers on two hundred seventy five big banks to be on two hundred seventy nine to eighty eighty. Because big name will be the longest running one in history. Right. And you'd like to just two, right? Yeah, absolutely. We're gonna take another break now back with Sean Hayes from willing grace in a minute on Rico. Decode we keep you in the know about all kinds of technologies that are about to change the game in this advertisers segment from Ericsson you'll hear about how five g. is going to shake up everything. Now, the five g. meditation minute. Welcome. Just relax your body breeze. Repeat your mantra and feel the calm wash over you? Five g. is here five g. is here and it's going to change the way we live. 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So what do you imagine going to happen these? You're getting married on the show. The other recently. Day married to a Stefan, Gloria? Yes. Is a flight attendant played by Brian Jordan Alvarez, hilarious. And yeah, so the season will end with a wedding and and we'll see how that goes. Yeah. And what do you like that Jack's getting? I. You know, there's so many areas we still have touched on with the characters, one of Jack being married, like what's that like, right, exactly. And one thing that you do a lot of is much. No, I think it's great. You talked plenty, but it's funny enough. Is is, is usually take aim at the Trump administration. You really do all your sessions or your pants jokes several, and I was like, could not believe they said bad, man, I understand that I get that sense with somebody. I think more can be done through the power of comedy, yelling and screaming. Yeah. What was the pens show? It was so good for so many. There were several. You did several. I was talking to caring about getting plastic surgery done. She's like, it'll take take that Mitch McConnell, neck right out of there. That was great. He's he's a bad man to turtle. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's they're all bad man right now or turtle four total. That's the invention about why they invented the journal. Fisher. Yeah, you know he's married to Elaine Chao. Yes, I do know that. Yeah, run it. Wouldn't you like to be in their home to watch that? I wanna have dinner with Bachmann. Do you Mitch McConnell because I don't think they, they know gay people? Yes, they do big hand, possibly. I think they do really yes and I don't know, and they don't like them or they like them. I think I don't know. I don't think they think about people in those terms. So we're not gonna finish up, talking politics here you are this highly. I'm shocked by some of the things that I love it. I like that they're doing and they go very far for a network show the more so than the ones on place or anywhere else. It's really fascinating to me. How do you guys feel about that? What? How do you feel? Do you feel at risk doing that? Or? I think again, because of the because of the more Nishi audiences. Now we have our loyal audience and we're there for people to enjoy it if we want, if you wanna come along, but it has. Point of view, and I think that's why does. Well, that's another reason. I agree. I think a lot about why people responded to present or whatever show hit a very strong point. Something to say about that. What happened there with. Yeah. What do you say? I don't know what he said. I think she's appalling. Yes, I do. I think she'll, yes. I mean, it makes me sad for her. Yes, it does, but I thought it was really interesting how the reaction was really interesting to me. Yes, I found it surprising that she was unaware that the president of NBC's and African American. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That would be an issue. I mean, but this kind of thing that was interesting. The quick -ness of social media and stuff like that. And you do you participate on that or not at all? I do Twitter account. And what do you think about, how do you do that? 'cause she just started typing. I people who know me know me in that world. I don't. I'm not a politics person. I just it's not who I am on my DNA. Right. For some reason you're making me talk about it and comfortable. Okay. I don't. I'm not one of those people. Right, but what do you use it for then? What do you use to spread joy. Have you ever heard of that? Not at all. I don't do that. That's not my job. And suffering? Yeah. I mean, that's kind of like my brand, but would you want to get it with Roseanne? Is that do our celebrity sort of aware of the impact that they have using social media, or do you think they also. I know, but not everybody uses it. I can tell you a lot of celebrities don't use it. I had to bother billion of them. Politics for their work to get there. Get there. Yeah. I mean, you have to part of the gig now. Twitter, what else? Instagram, and that's pretty much it. Yeah, Facebook text a lot. He can't get. A lot. We we, you know. Some people at Facebook said me and my husband Scotty, were there quote not mine the pioneers of video on Facebook, right? You explain what you do. We did lip sync video. Some of the the first people to actually post content for enjoyment on Facebook. We lip sing to famous songs and and we by the way that's the on the sentence. Yeah. Why did you do that and not on you? Because if a day goes by that, I'm not feeling creative in my brain, right is the day like we spoke graph to look at myself and be sad, so I don't wanna do that. All right. So we create and he is a music producer composer. He doesn't use it for willing grace and the history of comedy along with music producer Leo Rosner, and they're great together. And so we were like, we were literally sitting there and he goes, hey, come listen to this Jennifer Hudson failure song, and I was like, oh yeah, it's really cool. Hey, we should lip sync to it. I'm like, why we should make video. I'm like for what he's like, just 'cause I'm like, no, I'm going back inside and this office in the back. I'm going back and say, I'm sitting on the couch, so he's just listen to it. I'm like, let's just memorized the rap part. I'm like. It's so much work. Okay. So it took the dog for walk, run the blonde, and my ear pods in everybody's whatever, and and listen to over and over again. It was kind of fun to do it. Yeah. And then I was like, okay, let's do it to one or two takes on the web, and I was like, that's kind of funny. I literally thought my friend was gonna see, and that's it. Yeah, forty million people and we're like, what? Yeah. And then that just started it. So we started doing. We started doing started doing that over and over here. So why did you make business out of that? We tried so hard. Yeah, but you know what it was. That's exactly nobody was interested. No, nobody on Facebook, right. And then we do we know you to work. To put it up. Okay, great. So then a lot of YouTube stars. I don't know. I know what you're doing. Ten thousand other things meeting monetize. All right. Where are you need a producer. You know what? I'm just gonna. Make the videos. Put him up. Go back. Work, you know that the only live in one area enforce, but I'm like. Used to tie them an actor producer, say, you're not have time for that even though you had forty million downloads sent. You look at that number and say, maybe there's something going on here. If somebody wants to take that on and show me where to stand and went to say, I will do it right, but you not. I'm not going to be to build that businesses exhausting, right? It's exhausting to put out content constantly will join tip star on the weekend, and that's what she was saying. She was saying window just like an actor has a window she's exhausted by. I think it's still is quite huge continues its, I have to go to bed every night knowing I made people happy without making money say. Okay. Do you feel about that? Was that the feel good about that? Really. Good. Nice. Did you stop doing them or do you keep doing? We just did one in Spanish. About a month ago? Yeah, we might do a Halloween one. What, but one? Yeah. Do you know kooky the sun now. That. Things who's things that dusty spring-. That's Springfield. Maybe maybe maybe. I don't know. Right. Stuckey spooky. Okay. As a dad. You've been married eight years. The merit, I think four but together, twelve, twelve. Wow. Met on the set of Grey's. He was the the Ellen Degeneres talk show when it first started. Right? And so you could say, kind of met him that way, and you had a marriage marriage. Jay marriage illegal now. So. I got divorced, timing's everything. So backyard, eight people. I was great. Great. And he's a music producer. He he, he makes music. He does music for the history of comedy. I said, I ready and he actually composed the theme for his comedy, and I played it. I don't wanna finish up no reaction by the way. The reaction is inside my brain. When it was like this to spend a couple hours there, it's hard. It's fun. On how people stay on your left and right, right around this corner, Mike, Myers. Came back. You can see some core not see it. Why? Because I have it. Michael? Myers, I am Michael Myers. I went to see when I was a teenager, right? I guess we're. We're. And my boyfriend at the time I had seen it before me and he got up to get popcorn during part of it. And this is part. That was no. Really, I was a great girlfriend. Let me just tell you to straight men. You know? I because I slept with them. I didn't clingy and I wanted to leave me alone. Men like that. I was literally the perfect. That's the perfect girlfriend. Streak is think about away really site. But sidebar don't you think it's fascinating when gay marriage wasn't legal, and people are finding against it that me and you? Yeah, could legally gotten married. I can't believe you didn't ask me John. But isn't that kind of? Yes. Okay. Mike, Mike, still legally already married. So. Scary moment in the movie. He grabbed my ankles under the chair, and I've never gotten over that. I know it was really cruel, really scare me. I won't see the. Those aren't really scary. They're just gross or like Saul. Aw, but get get out, which is a thriller barely made it through that. That's great movie. I know it. So I did go to that because I heard it was good, but action. No, but it's not a horrifying. He didn't like it. All right. I don't like it. I go to man, movies go to Lion King. That's. Okay. Michael Moore movie this weekend with my children. My sons have baron higher and higher eleven, and I loved it. I can't wait to see Michael bliss. All right. And that was a great one. Yes, as ING who when are you doing? Knows that, yes. That's it. Okay. Thank you. Let's bins knew that a long time ago. I know. Yeah, Kelly McGillis we know we know the whole. Joey with Jodie Foster head move along. Yeah. Okay. So wait, Whitney. I saw Mr. Rogers one which was not allowed to happen now. He's just great to Kansas to riders. Yeah, we're not gonna get like there's no drama. Right, right. Great. Jane Fonda, great documentary. I have not seen that one, but I'm going to Warren Buffett. I always thought that one. Yeah. How about the McDonald's every day? I know I'm know what I'm going somewhere to Omaha next week to meet someone that's very specific specific who for what he's a fan of the podcast. Yeah. He's he steak dinner. I'm vegetarian. I'm gonna. Eat a steak. I'm really gonna go. Yes, I am. We don't have to, but I'm going to. Because it's Warren Buffett, any offered me a steak and so I'm going to have all right, brilliant. Yeah, he is so yeah, anyway. Yeah, stuck mandates. Other ones making a murderer. You know, there's. Second season. So what did I do. Google debt because I wanted to know the outcome. Let's if it's a happy ending. I would watch it if it's not why waste my time. Even understand that I don't make me murder. The second. The second one is. Is about a prosecutor from Chicago trying to overturn the verdict. Right, right. So you're I was rooting from those guys because I don't think I think they're innocent, right? So I was like, oh, I can't wait because I saw the trailer can't wait. I'm like, wait a minute. If she doesn't win and overturned the verdict, I'm gonna feel really bad about then you found out anyway by go. But if she does. Yeah, how thrilling is that going to be right. And so I won't tell you how an end. Okay, fine. Because I'm not gonna watch it anyway. Got murder, right. So didn't take some questions from the audience, but the less questions. When you look at this environment where the midterm election, which investments invest, you do investments several, but one that's Hollywood people doing tech investments in Hollywood. There's other human beings that's true, but you know, every now and then Matt, Damon pops up in the investments famous. Right? So you hear about that investment? Yeah, on being best. That's right. Okay. So you Hollywood folks best as a nice little gig. I have to come troop down here at Dunedin, Ashton Kutcher every three years about whatever he's investing. Does he actually very successful invest? I know I need to. He he was in a me. Yeah. So anyway, I invested in this thing that's very getting a very large right now which is called Sawa cloud cloud is an app on your phone that makes hearing more clear for people with moderate front hearing loss. Okay. My friend, one of my very close friends, Larry Guterman who directed a movie called cats and dogs. Larry's me back in two thousand. I think he has hearing loss. So he invented this and with many other people. And and so it also allows you to stream media movies, music TV, and movies without the use of captions or hearing aids. Wow. So it's revolutionary. And right now it's doing really well, and there's other things happening. We can't talk about people with hearing, right, which is hundreds of millions of people not just hearing loss. In a niece. That's right. That's right. But it's people who have even mild, who would like to hear more clearly. Right? Right. Did you miss any other internet companies or things? Yes, something called no me, no me. What did they do? It was what. Somebody, I think the iphone now adapted storytelling through us to hold the phone and just record. And as you go, it stops recording would piece together those videos. You can tell the story right to go to know, do you like to invest in companies do if if I know it's Google, right? Yeah, there's only one Google done. I know actually trouble. Do you think about the damage the internet companies are doing to our society ever? I. I think. But the internet companies are doing to our society in what way? I don't know the election, of course. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but also does good things, but yes, it does a lot of it does anyway. Let's ask questions from the audience. Sorry, number of questions, questions right here. Esther. The. Still. So he asked if I was as a out gay man, I came into problems in investments producing our other ventures if that ever come into play, I'm sure it does. It's never. I never feel it or hear it because I don't. I stopped taking care of people's feelings in that area longtime ago and uncomfortable this. So now I just kind of who I am so if ever problem, I don't know about it. I don't think so much. I don't think that not in Hollywood. Really? Yeah, I don't think so. Hasn't the second is step out? What do you mean? Oh, anywhere says, yeah, you think I'm not a big star and you know, how's it in Texas, Illinois. That's really is an unusual. You're right. They like as a high school reunion scoring three weeks. She would be the most famous I from your high school, presumably. Right. I don't know about that. Who else about. So everybody's so lovely, and I actually would love to high school, and there was one guy who didn't look at me and I was like, hey, the hand was outstretched his hand, and he just didn't look at me and put his fist up for fist-bump. Now it was like. It was like some gross. Really. He really thought it was just anti-gay or maybe got that vibe. Okay. All right. Familiar with. Yes, I'm familiar with it to happen to me. And did you not do anything? Didn't wanna say anything? What's the point? Yeah. What did he trying to change the Trumpster right. Well, you can't on. Don't you think? I think I think the news today reports and the extreme left and the extreme right? Because there's a lot of drama there and that's what people are into noble reports on the independence or the undecided. Right? Why didn't? That is because it's story, there's no story was there is a story. I think it's interesting. There's not the flaming drama right? Is that where we're headed? Do you think where to in that thing, where we by? There's no such thing as part bipartisanship, but then they always say we need to campaign to the undecided in penance. Right, right, exactly. But what do you imagine is going to happen in the midterm. I don't know. I think that both sides are fired up. I like to believe that the left is more fired up now, but we shall see you. Wanna have left Anna, right? He really wanna have that. No, I think we should have. I think we should have an independent right may in the middle everybody. Yeah. Maybe it's heading that way. I don't know. I think people every day Trump does something like this. The Saudi thing chose tell you about that. They're rogue killers just repeats what this obviously, fascist dictator, Saudi Arabia's. I think you know, I don't have a not as well versed in politics, like statistics and history to call upon my brain like an instant. So Iraqi motioning most of the country does. And just from an emotional standpoint, it's basing he's in barrister. Yes, of course. But I think people it never ends and people are still goes on. And so it's Dr. Largest happens to be the president had state, so you can't avoid in the United States, but I wish you would heal. I wish he would say healing things, but it never does. Why do you imagine he would? I don't. I would like that, yes, that it will never happen. It would be nice. Yes. But did you ever watch the apprentice because I did he ever say anything? I, I mean, I understand what you're saying. He's never somebody. Yeah. Said like, hey, you know, because on sixty minutes, did you hear them talking sixty minutes where she was like she said something to that effect. What about what you always talk about badly about the Democrats? And he said something negative again to that question about the Democrats, and you're just looking for say, you know, when she says, there were Democrats, she's talking about one hundred million people. You know, if you divide, you know. And he just won't say anything. Nice about one hundred million people who live in this country who aren't Republican. Yeah, it's a stunning that the only part that is that people are surprised by his behavior. I know I got it. I'm on board with how crazy we'll never say anything. Nice it. It's really fascinating. 'cause they 'cause they go, you know, like you were saying before this time now he's fine. People are finally get sick of this ended up. No, they don't. They believe what they believe and they think the same about us. Would you ever run for office God? Could you imagine? Yes. I actually sat there on the couch when it was all happening on election day in two thousand sixteen and I said out loud, I go when he wanted to go. This means I literally could be president. Literally seriously could be president check. Anybody can. Anybody can. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know about that. He's pretty famous. I think he was very famous during the apprentice on NBC. No, I know. But I'm saying his no experience, of course, not. Yes. So in that sense, anybody could. Yeah. Yeah, yes, yes. On some also, Tom Hanks for example, you your friends. Friends you do. So I think actually should have not actors being president. Let's my feeling anyway. Another question. Any other questions. He speak to how the revenue model is changed from the production side from the traditional network television to these platforms like net flicks. Yeah, it's really heartening. Are you in Bizet all? No. Yeah, it's, it's I, like I said before, it's your constantly trying to figure out how to increase revenue through platform like these guys have about ownership and so you try to subsidize other ways by creating hunt cast or whatever you can before they get on board and and suffocate us that way. But. I don't know. I don't know the answer. I don't know. You know. A little company like ours is always trying to figure out how to increase revenue and it's all about ownership. So we have to figure that out. You have to own part or all of the exactly that's exactly right, or you have to figure out if you're gonna do distribution, what's worth that are used to because they on the day on distributing. Right. So and they have the upper hand and everything because the writing the check anybody anywhere that writes the check for anything. Has the most power thinking taking venture money to do talking about that, right. I'm curious, lots of people have not done that yet. That's happening that I can't see. You see that happening. I was just reading the sweet green guys, say the one hundred twenty two million dollars in venture Cavs. First time in. Who for who venture capitals from Silicon Valley for what though sweet green, the food chain. That's a lot of money hundred twenty two million to expand and create their business, and that's venture money. In the first time, it's really been applied the fast food. You know, usually it's a different kind of thing. Water, water, water. What do you mean? Water? Did you write about that investing in water water? What does stuff you drink? Yes, I knew what water. How investing I have not heard because we're going to, you know, go. That isn't that the pod to an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie when he lived on Mars? That was yes. Yes. Yes, bread once. That's right. Movie water on Mars total recall, totally call. That's exactly what I did to. Yes, we're gonna run into water, but you and I will be long dead. So what's the different cases garage, something like that. Any other questions? Any other questions right here? You would like. We we part of our edict is that our mission is to create things that only watch and it has to have comedy, even if it's drama and a little bit of coming in, but as something we want you for. Sure. And finally, any other questions and neither fish right here? What's your favorite thing about being. I love the character Jack because there are no rules you can. He lives in an alternate universe where he can act and be say, almost anything he can have. You can go from job to John John to job to job. And it's always funny to me the what the writers come up with. I mean, and it's, you know, a lot of actors shy away from the thing that made them famous, which I think does disturb to them and their fans, right. So and I kind of was like that maybe fifteen years ago, I was like, I'm going to show the load on and and not wanting to talk about Jack. Now, of course, embrace it wholeheartedly become you guys do and the audience does. And I know that what's gonna like this. Of course, they play him. So there's a lot. There's a big part of me that's like Jack, but most of it I'm not anywhere near right. But anyway, I'm married. I'm boring. I am business mind as well. You know, he's a business mind. It's going really well for exactly. You not as curious is do you have a favorite episode? I remember when you were talking to your son and they had the born in the at the commercial was in the painting of pens in the background painting Mike Pence on the back. I'm gonna go back. Years episodes called grandpa, Jack, and Jackie. He's actually grandfather's hilarious and his his parents, which is Jackson Elliot to Jackson Elliot and his wife from Texas, and they're taking their kid to a conversion camp because the kids gay and then after conversion painting, Mike Pence and Kane, and I go down there and I give this big speech about how it's okay to be you. You create your own family wherever you go. That was a great episode. I love that episode. From longtime ago. Probably the share one was also come in high on coffee, talk cake. Last question. What do you imagine you're gonna be doing in ten years? I love that question. I have no idea, and I love not knowing, but I don't think ever have job behind a desk because I would go crazy. I think I have to create always on the children's book coming out called Plum. Yeah, that's got into my husband's. Got I wrote it's how the sugarplum fairy got her wings. Okay. I've been fascinated with the nutcracker kid. Movie, the new, nobody timing. Yeah. And so I know every single, no, actually it doesn't cracker. And I was wondering, what are these people come from? Whereas origin stories like because it's like it's like a story and acid Allison wonderland. It's like the Princess finding a mouse king, like what's happening. Right, right. So why are you obsessing with the nutcracker? I as a kid I listed over and over and over again. And every single note when I say every note every note of instrument of every song, Bali, that's a stone I memorized can do for you. Now. Because anyway, I've been obsessed with it so that so I was doing Broadway doing that. Got him. Rodway. Yes, we're and and during the day, anything to do can't sit still. Yeah, myself. Okay. Gotcha. Said Scotty, let's write a children's book. He's like three months every two years later it's out. Well, it's coming out for the coming out tomorrow tomorrow. My goodness -gratulations. I like the nutcracker I took. My kids wants to see which didn't appreciate I can tell you that. You get stuff. But we're walking out and the woman turns to the other woman as we're walking out and said, one more nutcracker closer to death. Wait a minute. What. Thank you. Go to see it like Christmases. One more closer that's. I know that it was my favorite moment. She's a hundred percent, right one more not that's actually the log line about bro. So we're going to a lot of children anyway. Thank you so much. Coming out to this. And when you do your pod. I will come on your podcast. That would be really good. We're excited for him to do one two. They can make a lot of money. There's lots of advertisers. Yeah, anyway. All right. Thank you so. Thanks again to Sean Hayes for coming on the show to the BoomTown brewery for hosting us and depression for sponsoring the event. The most importantly, thanks to all of you who came out to listen to tease Sean for an hour and Rico deco lizards in New York. 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Friday 5/17/19 - Barstool Outdoors

Chicago Dog Walk

15:40 min | 1 year ago

Friday 5/17/19 - Barstool Outdoors

"REI bang, bang today is Friday, may seventeenth Chicago dog. Walked by guests of the day is young page views. Do you got a name like do you like your patriots still? I mean I don't really have a choice. I it's weird. It's a little bit weird when like I'm on, like either Saint Louis radio. Or something in there like young page view. It seems like if I was a random person I'd be like, who is this knob called young page views? But that, you know, like, I don't know my real name's Ben realize do you like Ben? I like van. Yeah, I like that. That's my name for twenty four years of my life, until I came here, and now nobody knows it. But that's okay. That's how the game goes. Sometimes, you know what I mean, for sure. So young as views or why p or bad whatever you wanna call him. Here's a barstool employees as you probably know he kinda wanna talk today because he is heading a project called barstool outdoors. And I'm pretty fascinated with so people have seen the videos. There's an Instagram account. Right. That's already like very popular six hundred twenty K right now. He's just built the shit out of that. You know shards gas shout out to choke, man account guy. You know, I've had a lot of support from the from r-maine account tagging in a lot of, you know, fortuitous bounces from bar. So, but yes, it is grown more than I could have imagined. And I'm extremely grateful for it because it's pretty cool. You know what I mean? It's cool that I made it my parents kitchen. When I, I was coming here in a had zero followers than like, you know, fifty for a few months, and it's crazy. Six hundred thousand people is like more than my mind can comprehend you say. Yeah. And what's, what's cool to his you're midwest? Boy. Yes, sir. You know. So you are you from exactly. I'm from Saint Louis Chesterfield, but I to say to before we get into anything else. You know, a it's a pleasure to be on the dog walk. Thank you for having me, of course, and I will say to, you know, it's it sucks because we have so many rivalries between Saint Louis in Chicago. But honestly, I have some of my best friends in the world from Chicago, my girlfriend's from Chicago, you know, Charles area and I asked six thirty as they call. In new, you're from somewhere in the mid west. I asked because you are the worst kind of person this aspect. I don't want you. I don't want this to be thing where we go at it. So they're all right. But, you know, if it happens after that, you are the cardinal slash Packers fan, which is very tough. Well, first of all, I've, you know, I'm not going to be fake. I was only Packers fan after the Rams left. I wasn't that my whole I've really well, yeah. It was Rams fan and then fucking douchebag. Stan kroenke. You're just confused. Oh, I was living in Wisconsin. I went to school in Appleton. So, like, you know, I was in the Packers kind of like universe. Where did you go till warrant university, play hockey is a small school. Nobody ever really heard of it. But I had on my football coach played football their way. There you go. You're thing about no offense football, coach or our football program. But when I went there, I think we won three or four games in my four years here, four years. Cumulus, there were seasons. I think they're like one and twelve so we don't have the best football team in the world. Talk stretch for the fighting Dante Galante for. Yeah. But. Either way, I just wanna say shutouts Glenview hens Zale, Glen ellyn all the I love Chicago. Yeah, love. It's a great place. That, you know, you happen to have the cubs residing there, and it sucks that all of the sudden they got good. And people wanted to, you know start talking shit because I love it's a great place. Shedd aquarium, one of the most wonderful places in the world show. Let's get back to Barcelona doors with this. So you shut aquarium. Is it mostly going to be fishing stuff? Or is it going to be a mix of hunting or how so from what I've found it? You know running our doors. You get to see a lot of like reaction in kind of like feedback. Right. Like, you know, not always my video, sometimes for posted a viral video, whatever for right now we have some bow fishing in season one, we have some python hunting with, you know, by hand more than like guns and stuff from what I've seen on the internet. It is much more productive to be doing catch-and-release conservation things than showing, like I know my friends have, like, you know, farm or something coyotes running rampant causing problems. But if I post a picture of me shooting, what looks like. A dog and posting it on the internet, almost every single time it's going to be extremely negative reaction, right? Yeah. Because what's interesting is like you said, kinda more our neck of the woods here. Obviously, Chicago's a huge city. It's you know, this could be completely outside your, you know, your, your zone, if you're not, you know, if you don't hang out with Scott said, much school of southern Illinois, but huntings very common there and I'm not saying about his communist eating a slice of pie for dessert. Like, that's what a single person would blink twice. That's just what they do. So it's, it's, it's kind of an interesting distinction because every single one of my friends in, in, when I was in Wisconsin, every single person, Missouri. I think they killed two hundred fifty thousand deer in the first weekend. I believe I don't believe that was Satistics. There's a Jillian people doing it. Right. However, from my perspective is far strategy right now. My plan is first season. One do a lot of cool crazy stuff that people are interested in build, the trust with people that were not just crazy idiots, you know, messing with wildlife show that we care about. Conservation and about the animals and then move more into that stuff, once we've established more of a brand where people aren't going to be as volatile to it. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. Because I mean number one, it's pretty clear that you care about wildlife in general, like your whole time here has been if you don't know that's how you, he kind of came in your first day at barstool. What did you bring a marsupial? It was a Wallaby marsupials a type of, I'm not a great adamant is. It is a Marcet, okay. Okay. That's like they got pouches. But that's like that's like a mammal and marsupial. There's like different. It's a mammal that is marsupial and is specifically Awal. Thank you. Very all a lot of people probably knew that I put on that it's easy to mix it up. But yet thing is I don't wanna I just wanna make it clear to. It's like I love hunting. I watch mediator every single night. I love all the shows just from my perspective, also within Barcelo, right? Like there's all sorts of different angles that you have to be careful of writer like even here where we're more gun shy to, like, oh, here, I'm gonna post a million views on our side of me like shooting Bambi me and you may not blink twice. But like, you know, it's easier to start off with, like, okay. Here's my trust. Whatever in build people of they're gonna know that we do care it in eat, not that there isn't anything wrong with hunting, but it's easier for people to understand once, they know us in our comfortable that, oh, we're not doing this for any other reasons because people who are casualty servers, Eddie, the thing that's crazy about this audiences. I watch a lot of like hardcore hunting, and fishing stuff. Right. We. We are. Interestingly in a spot where a lot of people watching my shark fishing things that maybe just general public that aren't normally, watching those shows because of barstool, right? No. For sure. So we have to be careful that even like I've gotten death threats off of like catch and release shark fishing people are like I'm gonna shoot you in the face all stuff. So it's like all right. Let's slowdown will do conservation more, so I and not to say that hunting isn't conservation because in many cases it is. Right, almost every case. Sure, but we're gonna show shark tagging in the first season, we're gonna show, all sorts of cool, stuff like that. Taking out invasive species out of the Everglades, and then let's get into the more the meat and potatoes of like let's go get a big ass book. You know what I mean? That's kind of my plan is far as the roadmap with that. So we're going to kind of gradually get there is what you're saying. I think that in my in once again, I've never launched a hunting, and fishing and outdoors brand before, but in my estimation of where we're at now that is the best plan is far as building an audio. In having them trust us. I and not have any sort of, like, huge blowback. Because there's crazy people on the internet. Yeah. Very crazy. Obviously, we both know very well. It's you talked about barehanded python catching that it's actually, the best way to do it. Because if you shoot a big snake like that. Right. First of all, the brains very small the odds that you're going to hit it in the brain, very low. And even if you do that thing's still may skirt off in, in the Everglades where we're doing. Their invasive species, there to backtrack Burmese python, nineteen Ninety-two Hurricane Andrew, there, breeding facility was breached, right, right on the edge of the Everglades Sousa million Bagilia. Now, all of a sudden, they're snakes everywhere, right? More than we can contain. They're taking over the Everglades. They already have small rodent populations down, like ninety percent in some estimates. You know, like that's squirrels rats all stuff just gone because they're facing some they've never faced before. Yeah. So my friend, Mike. Kimmel python cowboy who I've met in the last year to. He's a great dude does a lot of cool stuff. He took me out there and show me the ropes and I'm addicted now man, it's beautiful. It absolutely otherworldly place to hang out. There's Gators everywhere. Now they got Caymans. There's all sorts. I mean, south Florida. Anything can live there. Right. Yeah. All over the world. They got fish from Asia. They got fucking African walking catfish whatever. It's crazy. Right. Some wacky s people to. Oh, they're crazy. I mean it's, it's my favorite place. So if in the area that we are you shoot a snake. He's going to be gone in that muck. You'll never see him again. He may die may not. But the best way to do. It is to grab them by hand wrangle them out of there. And then just get him right behind the head. You just grab them. It's a quick snatch but it can be done, and it's weirdly like the most efficient way to do. It, it is this, how big is this? Like how the biggest one I call was twelve feet when I was there, but they've had them. By von Cowboys got him. I think sixteen seventeen maybe eighteen feet. And I'm sure the question noise, get, as Archie scared like, like really a bit. You're gonna you know there's two ways about it. Number one, I'm with him. So the real thing that's going to hurt you. If you get bit by snake normally as venom. Right. These are venomous. So I'm AM not worried about that. It's painful, but you're not gonna die from the bite. The other ways if they're going to constrict you. Right. That's what a pipe a eighteen foot python of you and him were just interim. And he got you yet, he might constrict you. But I got this guy with me, some not that worried about you're by yourself. Maybe if he got around you, dude. I don't care how strong your I don't care if you're Bryner lacquer, if that thing gets an angle on Younis guy, your neck, you'll be out before you even know what he laid out for a living, dude that they've been for millions of years killing shit. It'd be like ice cube at Anaconda, yes, due date, bro. They kill Gators that's wild like in there. You know, think about a gator compared to MIR. You're soft as at the fucking gator, and they get killed. So as far as being scared. I'm not scared because I know it's not going to kill me right? Yeah. Is it the twelve footer that we call it this last time you could hear it hissing legitimately? I'm trying to see in this office, probably fifty sixty feet away. Maybe you care since, like, dude, I'm telling you, it's something primal inside of you. You hear that noise? And I'm Mike off. It's naturally. Scariest shit. Right. He struck me twice actually, I think it was a female. And didn't get me the time because you you know you can jump back. They're not superhuman strength. Right. Like you can still move, but it's frightening. I don't know if I'm Mike scared of it. But, like in the moment. Yeah, you're extremely O X. I was shaking when I came up on, but I've grown up catching sharks, all these things where with the shark if he bites you, you are going to be fucked. There's no like second chances with a sharp if he gets your arm, your you got real problems. You know what I mean? I've been used to those. Snakes way quicker than a shark weirdly know because the axes is different. I know where sharks head where he can go side to side snaky could turn him by you in fucking one second for real do. That's I mean, I, I don't even know you said, you grew up hunting sharks. Nah, hunting. I I've catch-and-release all sharks just to be clear feelings to when I shall just say, let you know, I just made like your people largest people bought it, and I do love them. So I wanna make it clear. But dude since I was a little kid. I call my first shark I have a picture of it. I think I was like two thousand one maybe with my first one been going for, for a long time. So when I caught the first one I was just addicted to it, you know what I mean? There's something amazing about a shark that I just since that day of never done anything else. Budgets, think about what's going to be the format of the show is just going to be like a short show is going to be a longer show. It is episodes right now. It's about twenty to twenty four minutes is has been each episodes of far right? It's each won't be. Destination with kind of a Corey. So like the first one, I don't know if I could say with the first one is yet, but like, you know, we went to we called giants sturgeon in BC, caught the snakes, we caught thresher sharks, Mako, sharks, all sorts of crazy stuff, right? So each one, it should be about eight to ten episodes right now there's a lot of moving parts as far as sponsorship, and things like that, that we don't know exactly what's going to happen. But it will be somewhere in that range is launching very soon within the next month, once again, I have a date in mind, but it's pro, you know, predicated upon all that. Yeah. For certain things that could be a big deal. But I cannot wait to get it out. It's been taking forever as you said years in the making yet, just think everyone's like you don't we see all these videos, and like you actually have hit us up to do some stuff. And there's might not have been apart, a barstool outdoors episode per se. But the like, hey, I'm going on ice fishing tournament -sconsin. That's why when I talk to you, because I know it is pretty popular. Back in the midwest. So I wanted to kind of get some perspective fair. Yeah. And it's crazy to like, Wisconsin. You know, there's so many places that someone that lives in New York or Boston, like they may think of all the midwest is the same kind of blob like made, you know, each single state, they're like Oklahoma. Some of the biggest cafes you could ever imagine. You never think to go to Oklahoma like do that. Right. But, like Wisconsin, for instance, each each month. There's a specific crazy new thing that you could do either ice fishing, for, like, walleye, cool as shit hunting gigantic bucks, like, you know, Wisconsin as one of the best hunting, I would say setups in the entire nation. You know what I mean? Like everyone. It's crazy. The amount of different things giant Muskie's, like we used to catch small mouth on the FOX river like, you know, bigger than I'd ever seen before. It's, it's an incredible place in, especially like, even Eleanor to like, once again, no one would think, to go to like southern Illinois or anywhere. But it's like they have amazing resources there. It's super underrated in my opinion for sure. No young pages. Why p bed? Yes. Thanks for coming. Thanks for, you know, talking about the outdoors for the, you know, the people that like to get out there, hopefully, you'll be excited and I know it's going to be a good product. So this is great. I really appreciate you had me on it. We're definitely going to get out. I was talking to them. We'll get out in southern Wisconsin, or Eleanor will make it happen was do it. And then you're so we're, we're people find you. So when this does come out, you'll be able to know about it. Hopefully it's spread everywhere. So you don't even have to find it. I'm gonna find you but my Instagram at young pages Twitter out young pagers, and you could always follow at bars LA doors on Instagram. That's the main mothership that everything should be on social clips, everything. We're going to have they will not be a piece of episode that doesn't go unused. So every all I paid us. Thanks lot, bang, bang, everybody. We will. You better leave that in. Right, everybody. That's it for today. That's for this week. We will catch you on Monday.

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Here's your host over podcast edition we are talking with aspiring Major League Baseball player and hopefully real soon we'll seem in the majors at some point property the Tampa Bay bats on his way to being a major league baseball player and a big fan of motor cars and a big fan of nine as well so looking forward to this one it's but now I have a lot of questions about baseball and you have a lot of questions about moto so this should be good mich should be really good oh yeah I it only had one national window his credit and he just dominated the national series for the most part so we're both pretty stuck down coming through Oh yeah that's that's huge especially suits you and as always in richer modal lifestyle by working with the sponsors who support US Steve Welcome everybody the fly racing racer x podcast with because today you've seen him on the feet of many many races out there including Jason Addison motocross donations and many others thanks Alpine Stars for coming on board also thanks for listening appreciate it here's a podcast with Chris Bets About Baseball Moto and more and now as promised on the fly racing racer x podcast cross good top it's a lot of fun he's a he's a really entertaining guy and I really learned a lot about baseball and I taught him a few things about Moto so thanks for listening people appreciate it fly race and riding visit flyers in dot com to see the entire lineup thanks for those guys are making it happen thank you Alpine stars as well tech seven boot Buddha choice for myself ten the most advanced double down on its effort to produce the best performance motocross and off road products for twenty twenty the formula helmet redefine expectations in protection ventilation and wait the new twenty twenty I think the nail on the head shocked everyone so good freycinet hidden thank God i thank God I got a happy guy to talk on the phone with most of summer as Chris Bets what's up Chris how're you man just hanging out man just got done with a golf lesson and a a nice little bike ride doing usual same old same old nice nice thanks for doing this hugh maximus maximus tires Imax S. T. tire develop by Gerry McGrath is out AJ canton zero used them in super cost and and actually did a great job with it and if you look at Sorolla our buddy to fifty motocross champion and after Vegas Chris I never would have bet on a C. winning that happened in your career now no not even close I'm Gonna I'm GonNa try and try and compare all I know is that I was sitting in to buy tires Ahah Barn on the best out there thanks to maxis as well for making things happen Max's Dot com and we'll have a discount code for you people soon for Max I hope anyways uh-huh really right after Vegas it was rough it will wasn't book and good yeah I didn't I didn't know what to do I froze yeah they're really right have you ever had red roof in in the middle of Nowhere Ohio finished a game ran off the bus to go watch the end of the race and I just I never thought I'd be graphic arriving and can be seen on fly racing athletes worldwide from the Rayon equipped formula to the redesign email to the new F r five boots fly race in his head to toe option for any I was hell six years old cry pry the body of a nine year old so the the he went with nine but how'd you feel about that I'm in with nine I'm in with no also because I think that a championship is alluded him for so long now I think it means a little bit more than it would've if he would've wrap that first one up rattle a couple off but He reason I wanted to be a catcher in t-ball yeah no nobody wants to catch your nobody wants to be a catcher nothing fucking happens I just wanted to wear the year you know the normal cart wheel off the bike to try and try and take off the helmet strapped around your neck and was hooked ever since the story ended helmet fucking is in the back of the head flame on them all man it was whole nine yards it was pretty bad ass dude we talk a lot about the amateur motocross scene and ops tells of why he sold them was we were out a out in Mirage and most of the roads out there there's a there's one kind of long road that you enter on one side pw in the Sierra fifty weren't an option got thrown on the junior sx fifty the KTM first time out in the desert but but from then on just you know every Anaheim race every year yup that's it man just stereotypical southern California Fan- yeah born race okay all right yep a sit back there look sick as hell and and just just be the guy for no apparent reason I mean absolutely none but it worked ebbe raise you you were graded as a first rounder to be graded as a first round baseball player. I think that's probably an earlier because the baseball was also around that time I'm guessing baseball was your I love your Second Love Baseball has definitely the I love yeah there's claiming that goes on up there really aren't the only one with a fun and interesting sport no no no doubt so how'd you get into Moto look you haven't made the show yet but you're on you're on the path you're looking good but just to be drafted in the first round or even in the second round is so hard the tearing up in a Red Roof Inn and Ohio there was really right there I was man it was rough so ninety two or nine obviously okay full price fertile I'll by the way you're you're one of the better follows on social media for for Moto fans Real interesting real funny China light on just a flat wash in the other side of the bunch of big sanders I just thought it'd be the most genius idea in the world to kick the ball eighty five and the fifth year and sit on the back fender so amazing I mean what you must be a prodigy where you a guy grinded out like how did that work how did you get so damn good a baseball like never lost that like I just got older and just kept fucking in the ball far never like I never really struggled or anything like just super normal like I was always big and then I caught the tail end of of my dad's career in through college and Independent Ball and then you know having him around when I started I was Kinda hooked I was percents and teammates that are doing some dumb stuff and feist like it's good you're you're you're social game is strong hopefully we get into to some stories like some of those knuckleheads anonymously just moved up into the big class did it off championship win I respect it but now I gotTa burn all my ac ninety two year take black sharpie too and blue that thing up so the injury help Hurt me a little bit going into the draft but man I was just Kinda like this this standard in little league I was the big fat kid that hit the ball one hundred feet over the fence simply because he was so much bigger than every yeah and then just I just kind of like just never really never really struggled in baseball and sound selfish to say but I was doing for that yeah definitely I'm definitely kind of seeing the negatives Tommy John for people who who don't want who don't know that that's the odd one for a catcher no it's it's yet in the kind of the way that I explained it as like most of the kids through high school had to work their ass off I was just the big fat kid literally it's more of a pitchers injury but it's more it's becoming more and more common and I couldn't tell you why but pretty much the way it's been described to me by Dr Andrews as soon as I got there like how he says healthy healthy forever and then it just all snowballs yep pretty pretty similar and I think that's why we hit it off so well at first you see other kids got bigger than the I stay I stayed good sharp and then my senior year of high school I just fucking ran my ucla through a cheese grater and no idea no it's it's it's ridiculous it's crazy but they even crazier part is like the surgery now it's I don't want to say it's as simple as breaking an arm but in Florida is a if the UCLA in itself is an anomaly it shouldn't be able to really withstand anything over about sixty miles an hour so the fact that you guys perform always come through and then you know maybe maybe you know hit the pros and struggle a little bit for the first time ever right yeah definitely not his prodigy level amateurs but the injury taking it and how so few guys make it and this you know you listen to the polls show so you hear me ranting and raving and all that but good God to make it you're you're drafted in the second round but by the we're gonNA come back fine eventually which is the gnarly part because it's such a crazy like they take they take a tendon out of your hamstring or l. -fornia It was a hotbed for a really long time so lots of names the Kinda put yourself in their with hopefully up to do you when do you start assed and they put it in your elbow and the reason part of the reason the Rehab takes along is because that has to kind of break itself down to the elasticity of ligament okay about a year and a half ago you went to Long Beach that's a legendary Baseball School Evan Longoria Gloria too low to ski when injuries and it was insane there was there's literally nothing you can picture Nolan Ryan never needed Tommy John just kind of had a really big yard sale in the middle of nowhere and by the grace of God got up and got in the truck for my dad told us told me he was selling them so that was doing that of not struggling now that I'm in Pro Ball strike out five times a night and I got the guy in the on deck circle telling me that I fuck and suck and you know I'm going to be sadness I blew it out April fifteenth and then probably August one the next year was back on the Field Yeah Nevada Nevada state isn't going to get you know no you're ill so it's really it's just it's aggressive it's out of control me delivering pizzas domino's a year and and I've never heard that before but Samis other kids man like they drove home with their dads on the worst thing in the world say to go through that so it's the super gnarly grueling rehab and everyone just kind of comes back because we've done it for so long now sadly but it is to you for like a year then I guess a Yankees to my high school Bobby grits played for the angels in the seventies and you know potential hall of fame at one point and it's just you know you have all these really good guys come out of southern into college which I ended up not Yeah at my going into winter break so Christmas break of my sophomore year high school in at that time doubt I I WANNA be a goalie I play goalie so I think I just wanted to wear the two I think that's my move for for hockey gear was so sick and I had the customer right you know you get the surgery you're out you're twelve to sixteen eighteen months and most likely you're gonNA come back pretty pretty okay what's the decision there yeah so the way that the way that I explained Kinda is if the money's life changing out of high school you know you don't want to risk going to college and having yeah we're good I was getting to that question soon yeah how much of it went to cocaine and hookers and stuff and how much fuck man I mean we have a we in when guys get drafted and some guys why do people go to college is it almost like a backup plan but not quite sure of themselves or some prodigies just want to jump into pro ball right away they're missing another guy they were on the same team crazy well I went I didn't go to Long Beach Town Okay Wilson and now it's getting more towards that where it's like my neighbors my neighbors seven years old is doing weight training like wow I mean I was just the half thank schools yeah and if some of these smaller schools want to keep up with them they have to talk to the kids even younger than the big schools Ucla comes up to you at fourteen fuck in a pretty legit drug testing system unlike you guys not a whole lot to the cocaine and hookers was winning races and probably taking home yeah five hundred seven hundred thousand a year to start and then slowly more than that this one point Oh you were drafted second that money's life-changing Gopro Dome right yeah but one thing about like so one thing about motor just ball a blubber at seven and ten times further than he is But I mean kids are getting kids getting talked to by colleges like thirteen hundred the final paycheck I think my stub for the year was Sixty nine hundred dollars yeah yeah And I mean like you said kidding scouted and baseball when did when did somebody pull you aside and say hey Chris man like keep this up like how how young are we like I so I committed to to attend everyone was like Holy Shit that's early Okay God not even sixteen you were like the amateur motocross signing these protests at twelve and Jeez five to six years before who is our we're talking basically before you start making any sort of money right yeah I mean it's like you like this yeah good yeah it's no one can really figure it out no one knows why how we listen there was a book about this last year guy wrote a book about a UC L. No right into pro circuit whatever it is the difference being is awesome fortner at nineteen is eighteen whenever we turn originally from there up to about what you said eight hundred and then arbitration who the fuck knows arbitration you're a below league average player you might sign a deal NCAA's pretty wild with that stuff they let it all go where did you so you didn't go to college it was at just because you want to get started with Wpro did you what was like I read a lot about this I'd like so I could see I signed for that and then you have a guy who signed for a plane ticket you walk in those doors in Florida the complex and you're the same fucking guy like Brad you've never allow okay so interesting yeah so you were almost Ac like in the amateurs you know like just kind of this kid that could always ah in in your defense literally right across the street from one another okay my back Yard Long Beach Long Beach Baseball man like those those names I mean Aaron Hicks the only the only thing that changes is like how you live when you go home at night like right it's crazy right like it's an even as you make the show four eight five million that you got of course taxes and everything else of course it happens you're at the mercy of of now pro ball which is three years of injuries and then all of a sudden you're not a second round or anymore you're twelfth around noon one hundred grand instead of millions okay so there's that that's really that's really the basis I mean you make the show those arbitration and everything else but for the first four or five years of your pro career unless you're absolutely tearing tearing the cover off the ball or whatever you are sort of you know factory rider level top seven and up let's say baseball they got you for twelve years ten years before really making make an eight hundred and fifty thousand if you if you walk in it's like I think you start at five fifty five sixty something Yup and it goes up baseball like okay so you you incredibly great baseball player to beat the odds and get draft in the second round you an incredibly great motocross racer awesome faulkner AC to get but you know other organizations aren't so lucky I mean you're fucking blue jays bro every time we go to go to their affiliate and we go out the league minimum who knows like you might sign up for a million dollars there's no guarantee unlike so moto you know you come into moto the pay once you get into the game like you're talking about like I mean before you even get there that you can't you can't live off that money so most guys who most of the guys who don't signed for the signing bonus I was lucky enough to sign for or other guys who signed for more or less than I do it's almost like an extension of college for them in four five or six guys room together a lot of times right like our team the raise take good care of us shut up amp obey employer daddy warbucks it doesn't apply to you but apparently it's McDonald's it's it's it's whatever you can get 'cause you have no money you know it's not even so they want them to enjoy some comforts of you know having a normal life because apparently a lot of you guys and again you're you know you're you're you that they're like hey you slot and from what I was reading about you you slotted into the first round what people were saying so injury really killed me so they were like hey you're going to be I college they get these like some college get meal stipends when they're on the road so they still they still need help from their parents like apartments so cost something I read putting a better numbers than you you gotTa fuck target on your back from the organization the guy behind you from everyone else yeah and it's it to come down with our massive of Wendy's freeze fraud tickets and and you you go to Wendy's love houses line up at the entrance to the clubhouse from the stadium home team an Rhodesia if that kids struck out and we wait for the home GM's you know as a prodigy you you make half a million dollars for a couple of years let's say you jumped at four fifteen year for up to a million a year and you're going on from there money yeah it's it I mean it's it's a grind to the money if you're lucky enough to get there you're fine at the biggest thing is on you WanNa know it's one point four eight five million signing bonus there you go act so that's what you got to sign struck out ten guys last night if this is the thing people don't realize when you go to a minor league game like we had the The frosty freeze batter two thousand dollars every two weeks because their organization stepped up our I was there was a big article written this year since Perot got into it into the into the presidency of the night and if that guy struck out the whole stadium gets a coupon for a Wendy's frosty you better believe both he's really revamped their whole minor league system because they want the guys they want the athletes to eat well live well you know they're they're investing in these people as human beings I sold the eighty-five again was way too big for just the round mound of rebound on that thing and You know no sad something yeah it's it's it's a money thing like you know if I if I would have gone to college passed up what I got which I mean baseball unlike motocross all public record it doesn't know if obviously the guy who got paid more is going to get more opportunities to fail but if the guy who's not getting paid anything I know I know that they're wearing a collared shirt and they look decent yeah but no come on guys and the the the for Manfred to get up a little while ago and talk about the Minor League Baseball all guys in how they don't deserve more money don't work you know 'cause a bunch of stuff going on right now about minor leaguers trying to you know talking about the workweek they put in the hours they deserve and for three hours after the game get paid more than we do yeah yeah and you're there for a long time and so you just finished single a ball right yep it's not even a double angus order pounder it's the fucking Val Union cheeseburger right and all I have a coupon for fries because our kitchen down and you're putting acid in the seat you can do okay Y- they're they're they're paying us what they're paying us now the guy who cleans the fucking stadium him or whatever canola just to your raise losing the Stroz last night by the way they put up a fight they did them in Oakland just could allow you go to San Diego's all growing up that kind of stuff but no writing no writing since you were a kid yeah probably maybe like eleven yeah a lot of guys go now more so than say ten years ago right yeah Yep so AA is really where you start looking at guys and being like hey we can this guy can fit in our team he just got it there there's some bad dudes on that team man all right so back to mode a little bit so you're Anaheim's as much as your schedule we go out with them that's a big thing baseball we all hang out kick it we go out with the lansing guys who's the team in the league in this year we got the bridge as guys they're getting paid AA AAA I mean is that I mean yeah that's the plan right closely we earn double A. Next year that's the goal and then hopefully we're in the big leagues in years to come there's a good chance that of the twelve or thirteen pitchers that are on your team one or two of them is going to be fucking Dick head like I mean I don't know who on the okay good good good to know so what are you finding yourself okay so you were a big factor who could who could nail the ball over the fence but now learn how to handle the pitching staff has been has been tough I've got it really good hang of it now but the hard part about it is like you got to be a people person because managing the pitch calling the game signs down at the right time managing the pitchers and all of that and that is for a Catcher in twenty nineteen that is as much as important almost as offense as a pro and you're catching for people who don't know like you have a different deal you wanna hit and you WanNa hit well and all that but a big part I major league baseball just throw his hands and be like sorry yeah it's brutal brutal for sure about you got if you if you got a team in a good minor league and you'll see you'll see the whole if you WanNa if you WanNa meet the minor leaguers go to wherever they go to wherever the giveaway fucking Burger I'm just Kinda like oh my goodness wow yeah so at the major league level there's you know there's there's meetings with the with the pitchers and catchers and you're all your phone contract says it but like I can I can be whoever I want to be type things yeah but Adam gets on me because I got a bike in the garage it's gotTa Kick Stan and he fucking hates the ones that are the worst is like when you're warm and someone up and it's like Dan the guy's got the ace stuff today and you get out there and within the first five pitches wins above replacement for events stats for people and if you can just be okay as a catcher but handle your pitching staff that the suck it at them and what does he know making your your mechanical device on the podium just kicks maybe maybe regular bike some moral after you win the championship atom I I got that written down you don't fucking choice you gotTa talk to that truck driver you gotta you gotTa Break Adak Hey man I thought on the way over you did this wrong this ran this wrong and there's a good chance August and it would be sent to the dropbox to me in a spreadsheet form Boca with heat maps and sequencing gives gives you more confidence behind the plate and on the mound knowing that that you're kind of prepared for what's coming so way we did it just to like not give everything ways we would get a scouting report on what the Organization the team felt were like the biggest threats on their own report said something aware it out but you know we have those meetings they're they're pretty they're pretty intense and and it just it just kind of isn't it kind of like at the very end a breakdown of their view of the hitter and you just kind of look at it and you try to not get overly into it because scouting and your take looking at tendencies and looking at ways to call the game at all are you doing that on a minor leagues to before a game or no yeah so the way you guys there's some guys the ones that I love the ones who need you to get their ass like day they respond well it's fucking suck right now what's going on like maybe maybe the guy that you stay away from on the team from just a conversation you'd be trapped into in Moto like let's say you don't want to talk to the truck driver yeah well throws it's like wait a second really what happened so it goes both ways but there's definitely nights in the bowl and we're warming up and you don't want paralysis analysis because you could roll out there and it could say hey this guy really struggles with the breaking ball away and game as well as possible who do you like to watch play catching who do you like to watch right now I'm blake set that's what these clubs for you Chris Your your your you've got two things to learn what's what's been harder for you fat but it's like dude like what if I what if what if you eat shit and go to pull you out from under the bike and bike down just pop boom aren't in the bullpen or you like Oh we're in trouble tonight Oh yeah Oh yeah Oh yeah oh my God when you're going out there to be like hey man you're slide is not working tonight we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA we're gonNA ditch and they just lose their mind on you you gotta like there's at least God bless him and and pretty much everyone else I just watch game I watch when I'm watching a game to break down one the ones that are harder for me are the ones where it's like hey what how do you feel man am I doing everything right for you like and you just gene we're there for so long I can't take my fucking adderall that early like it's just it feels like hurting hurting jelly time in neighbor goes really and by reminiscent missing we gotta get you out with Adam and get geared up again you know is your contract a little walk back to the dugout and just suck I can't I can't just not hit you know what I mean at the end of the day there is opportunity to do that and you just want to be able to do as much as for all we know he could have worked on the breaking ball during batting practice that day and he could hit five hundred feet the first time we throw it to him so then you have to make an adjustment you can't just say like oh well the Scotty yeah so we are after all this you need to work on your hitting at some point Oh yeah man and it's hot the batting cages don't have air conditioning you just pulled it right on right on I mean scraping fender on the rear tire just pointed right out of the truck and just going and we you better believe though I'm on the at some myself to do to figure everything out right yeah because I mean obviously you could make the majors defensive catcher there's a lot of those around and people like that the answer past one thousand podcast delivered with over seven million downloads clicked at Amazon banner on pullbacks help us out and donate the Patriots pretty big into jt real mutual with me wasn't the Marlins but now where's the phillies I mean you do to really stick you got you gotta hit right so yeah you gotta hit and I mean I don't care how good I am defensively I just I'm not wired you walk up to home plate just mumbling like you're such what's he went what do you do when you're are you catching them before the game in the bullpen yeah can you tell a jump you're right I mean it's a it's a flip of a coin are weird as yeah yeah I can imagine I try and find stuff I'm not doing well they do under S- incorporated all really really good on both sides of the ball he's he's fun to watch brody ever been clipped in the head with the backs backswing uh I try and just kind of like nitpick and find stuff that I really like and find stuff I don't try and take it to my own game so you know when I go and I watch video of myself and other guys it's direct involvement with you to try to help you get better whatever you need to do some advice all that kind of stuff right because I mean there's a balance between the the Minor League Guy those guys in that locker room that you know they don't want you to fail whatever I don't care but this kid right so like the miners are different deal it's doggy dog is what I'm getting at manager he wants to win ball game so he looks great and he gets promoted and everything else and general manager wants to make the right moves so that he looks good you want to get to the majors I get it but one hundred percent they like I mean you hit the nail on the head like there's consciously I mean everyone like you can't you can't say you don't like you're never going to be verbal at this weird thing with my jaw now and I don't know when it happened or why it started but every time I get hit in the face with any sort of like square like good shots so we have our coaches on our team and then we have coordinators and coordinators are there specific so there's an infield coordinator there's an outfield coordinator ace running guy a couple couple hitting coordinator so if a hidden coordinator and I were working on something when he was in town I'm going to work that's the worst part how much do the raise update you Scott You keep you I mean obviously but are they passing down tips all the time yeah he's he's really good I don't think anyone's ever said a bad thing about that guy really right so okay so yeah so Tampa like it's not with velocity my fucking my jock comes out of place and I gotta I gotta walk over to the Dugout in the trainers gotta meet me halfway and I'm just sitting there my mouth opened like I'm waiting for a mother bird food in my mouth and he's got a crack it back into place and it's just the most populous thing and you're also doing your job there's a good chance that you guys are both going to be on the move and then you're going to get to a certain level where let's say that guy in front of us in the big leagues in Eastern Cool Dude and then I think that's pretty much all the note all the James James Manager this year longtime race Minor League Got Charlie Charlie that I have a direct line also with those guys like hey I really want to work on this okay send over some video let's break it down and analyze and so it's actually pretty involved Henderson Okay Hindu you might know are big league hitting coach Chad Mottola had had a cup of tea with the Blue Jays founder do you have any yeah are are hitting coordinator playing the big leads in the eighties Who are who is his name is Steve Get out with my hitting coach on my team and then I I have that open line with hitting coordinator to call him and and hey and then for the off season side and those guys float between all the levels yep their schedules all on the road they're flying into cities seeing all the minor league teams some of those guys are ex major leaguers right just like hey you deal with the with the single staff definitely definitely more communication and you'd think it's like it's pretty open line show for the people who probably don't you know it's the middle of summer out there apparently Perth has like some hole in the ozone layer that don't really advertise a whole lot but I shot expectations for myself I I left some things on the table that could've taken the year from really good to Kinda just next level out of this world but wild won this was before the James Stewart show and I do their best friends I was just a die hard Eric Sorby fan the On the fly rate Chris bets on the fly racing racer x podcast show presented by Marxist and Alpine Stars of course let's get into some moto stuff all right the you know the worst part is is I wouldn't play Winterbotham Australian almost died oh really oh shit okay so that was super sick but I was out there in Australia and like it's like a hundred and five degrees and like I went home feeling like Shit and the next day just kind of like couldn't really do anything and then fast forward but four days later and had kind of a hole on each stroke and doing good and there's a really good chance someone's going to get shipped off they're gonNA find room for you and like you said you're going to play if you can hit can I start at first base editor show it but like you WanNa be promoted you want that but I guess the only the only counter to that is that you can only move up if there's a spot so that guy in front of US tearing it up like everyone's got different agendas or or like you said there's guys in that ball club in your in your in your dressing room dressing it was a hockey term actually locker you're a big big I think right right right Yep awesome dude great guy got the big league hitting coach job she's like at your level they're they're busy right but they want you to improve they wanna see you in the majors you know they've got an investment in you so how much of it how much direct communication with them or is it what about winter ball guys go winner ball yet I played winter ball last year almost died so it's really rough down there it's really why up and you're tearing it up and there's just no room for you well there's room for you on another team now so you gotTa keep doing your thing so so rooting for the other guy in front of you is actually a thing too because if he's we and was running ran twenty six on it that was when he played and I was like the last one before the cutoff and like I was like Oh cool no worries I won't get an autograph had you know it wasn't wasn't perfect but everything all right yeah no it was I did a lot of things really good selfishly or or like that's that's everyone just trying to be a perfect Seltzer I got my things in China work on this year and hopefully not lead to things really good this year and keep doing it had a had a really good year her for burn and burn was on factory Cowie and at the time we had just gotten our new bikes and my dad had that new seven years old eight years old and I was just like man I I like him a lot and that's awesome yeah I guess I guess other random and I was like my dad is the same bike and number as you and I think I got like I think got like a I don't care or just something that just doug me getting just absolutely crush man and you don't even like to bell yeah and and yeah broke broke my heart was not a Michael Burden Fan after that told told my dad my dad laughed in my face right parking lot of angels so who's your favorite racer growing up like who'd you love you can't say Adam you now we're growing so oh yes sixties sixty was it a I was like I was in line the only time I ever tried to get autographs in line Kinda by myself my dad was just said like yesterday the line with short and what I thought the one zero three Sebastian tour tally look so fucking sick that I was just like man the way that one zero three sits on the Jersey uh-huh okay this is actually a huge gripe with you guys in Sports Yeah Huge K. Mike Trout doesn't go to still fresh that's funny so what about what about baseball player did you get a chance to meet a lot of those guys when you're younger like yeah there's a there's a couple of guys one is Nathan Ramsey I did you go get autographs and the pits that these are now because faulk because if if some little kid was taken a swing and with his twenty five inch broke my finger the whole world would burn down why the it of all the guys if you give me a million dollars I would have never guessed that wow eric sobe fat who does like it was James Stewart the our place for catchers go first base die right right are you happy with your year you had on your progress is everybody happy I mean annoying Paul Rented Paula and went out there and road and everybody wrote and tested and these tracks and so cal as you know aren't open every single day up in their business and I just love like being at Baseball Games being at the races like eight years old wanting to qualify like when they had the qualifying races at like Fuck br I thought I had a chance to be Ricky Carmichael I was just out there putting around in the desert honestly pry James Stewart in this so why don't these teams seriously we you can rent the track for like fifteen hundred bucks like it's not much why do two or three these teams the only have this piece of paper deal but I just wanted to tell him that my dad had the same because that's when they weren't running like crazy like sponsor graphics I played within college that played in the big leagues I got to meet but outside of that I was never really like a huge like like San dumb that was me yeah oh that's awesome that's cool I it's it's neat to hear the other side right now I've been in in my whole life right and maybe jaded okay that's a good idea that's a good start and then like it just they just started riding again I don't know what happened I was just talking about this with somebody like I get it ability NASCAR guys show up the same tracks to test it's mind blowing to me Chris yeah why they don't do that instead hey we pay you a million dollars contracted E. coli all in the same Oh nice I thought it was it was a pretty low point in the year Oh man Chris you're good luck with that Claude and that sixty five out there go good luck right like right we could write a check for four hundred dollars with three other teams and there's not enough land in so cal to have private tracks and all that I get like like you don't want to do that but here's the thing last year before Paula the teams are we doing no I I'm with you and again you can just rent these tracks it if they would talk to each other and coordinate with each other they'd be out five hundred dollars a week ah do you do you want burners number talked him canner all right now I don't know if I've recovered yet still still still in the afternoon when you were there sitting in the dog shit seats in front of a triple just like freaking out suck in all the pre mix like offers he's safe and have a whole yourselves and then if if they're if they're sitting there because the sport seems to think that they're Russia and testing and all that stuff like hey on Saturday nights you guys park fucking twenty feet from each other you know you're it's unbelievable Yup I yeah that's that's one for me where I'm like how is it sorry in like Jane Servers the only big factory guy obviously I like Ricky Stuart was more my time and then sorby and I'm trying to think of like another random ah boom while there is there is a Santrac and I forget what it's called now I went there when I was a mechanic back in the day and there's videos like horrendous goes out there to the area that my neighbor hits that right he doesn't go to the same place to practice okay you know Mike now he's he's not he's not at the local softball pitch order like you said rent the tracks on the days that they are not open and go there and ride the GP or road race guys all tests at the okay I think that TV say wasted time going early to motocross nations I think they could have rocks and are just huge San whoops team years I could've just went there I mean I'm with Ya looking looking at it you are with baseball right so all right Gimme Gimme some Moto let's compare sports here let's talk a little bit I think that they could have taken k.. One von combined both the tracks for two weeks from Newport put it in their fractious no need to go over himself Glen Helen Anderson Hunter Glen Helen and then KTM and Husqvarna put out this press release saying the writers are no longer allowed to ride at public tracks and and clock are our best guys in the sport at Glen Ellyn are fucking Fox yeah milestone milestone right or whatever yes well dino escaping that race totally cool with it shocking shocking the civil fan of school with a I mean if he would have if they would have come out and said the sport who good one like o'byrne absolutely my one hundred percent loose my buddies retinas house of all things Oh really in Florida Florida God I can't think right now but all right let's see how does the bike Selva kick start what are we doing why can't we just put one on I don't yeah and their million dollar athletes whatever place too right yep exactly yeah it's very very strange all right what else can you you'd be okay thank you so much for doing that that was bad ass that was super dope Yup agree all right what else we got let's see biggest asshole I don't know they're lost right now those guys they're lost they are the they're still yeah I don't know ah but look I get his point like I'm done with the two fifty s I don't want to stay on for five more weeks like I'm done and he's already two hundred pounds in growing so autumn was out there there's a video from Adam it's I think it's illegal but they all still ride there at the place that looks like Mars on Instagram yes and it's raw fish shit there's mm-hmm man I don't know because Anderson doesn't like me but he's not an asshole he he's cool he's a good dude like he likes to have fun and Keeps Yep I'm with you they wasted their time we didn't know that at the time but yes just just go to go to the track up when Mars that looks like Mars and ride they're all all day is there time I hate to say it they really did but I the time I thought this was awesome and it would be awesome God bless them but yeah no it how do you feel about your guy I get it he's he's he's Dude I have some photos where he's up to my shoulders and now he dwarfs me so he needs at European gas for that he regardless we're sitting there and I mean they had there was two sections of a baseball stadium just laughing everyone knew you know nine laughing everybody knows and there was a there was that mean that was going around and ray fell in the first turn of the race and they were kicking their bikes and this is a Adamson in ink release and not Kawasaki Cool like the guys get ready to go fucking do the four fifty thing like must thing ever I don't want to go on for thirty minutes again my listeners don't WanNa hear me but yeah it's so stupid and also the guys sometimes guys win they win the whole damn thing I don't blame him honestly you and I both know that he really didn't want to go anyways but it was okay yes you do but it the Marlins marlins they can't they can't do anything right like they just try and nothing goes right are actually no I would put it more like the redskins why blow by Cup like seriously like I get it you're happy you're celebrating I get it may say try and blow the bike up after the maybe we can Rev limiter Outta here just get him out is Michael Seo bust no no it is not I know supercars he's made millions of dollars racing so he is not a bus no a ninety nine percent of motocross racers would take that career in a second well I just got back from for fuzzier for five days so maybe I just got rid of the MoD stuff out of my brain but I really can't let me tickle back that one right right now not at all he got second a couple times he won four fifty premier motocross races he podium the first Moto Chris I've seen it multiple times they win the first Moto and throw their bike down hey you have another race coming up everyone hates right right but we love that everyone loves that Guy Yeah well I know you had something to do with it but I mean everybody loves the sky and he's a total ass drowning out all the noise so I think it's I think they were just anti-media just didn't WanNa didn't WanNa talk that could be that's that's a good reasoning maybe maybe we dugout attire like there's more about bats coming up there's there's more things happening here in the game this is how into the championship I was did he race the second race because I didn't even really guys who just excel every single damn year right like that's I mean it baseball is just insane that way his it was by the way to on on the show four hundred he was sneaky good on show four hires like just stirred the pot yes yes he was just perfect anyway so he had a really bad first half of the season one hundred sixty two games he finished pretty fun I mean outside of trout and when he was a cardinal is there I agree with you I just didn't know I hear people say about like you know Bryce Harper had this year that year after signing the contract he did you look at it and it's like hey guys mechanic anymore extra work you just one moto there's two of these things that'd be that'd be like you hitting a first inning homer and then just that's it you walk back to the salutes the Redskins can't do anything right they want to Daniel Snyder has got a lot of money he tries to do the right things it just never works so yeah he he's he's a good dude privately my dog passed away six seven months ago or whatever and one guy I thought I had to go to the stadium I was out I watched he yeah because even clincher that first one he he all he did was no all he needed to yeah he's never know also that was just that was I take that one over the Preston and STU after the finish line jump in terms of just like the they got a good heart and it just never happened no yeah they all right why are we trying to blow. AC's bike to oh I think that you guys a sport takes Phil for granted because we don't all the guys in baseball or football or basketball who are just Kinda dicks and people love to say this because he never wanted championship and his Chris not over yet but I'm GonNa say he's Never GonNa win a championship let's put it that way I mean fills beaten them in Canada so there's that I got into a screaming match in what was it pry after San Diego supercross with a family only a Dago for Sega we were in the family I don't know what it is the industry section you guys call it Super Interesting Group of people sitting there this and that and I don't even know if it directly has anything to do with spelled but I just absolutely lost it pretty much cited means that hey man sorry about your dog it was Phil so just just people in I'm private Phil melts my heart but when he when he went off on a lessee down year is still so much better than everyone else's that's what I said Yeah but back to the interesting stuff I'd baseball whatever call he's incredible but but privately he's a good dude right he just puts his asshole look on his face and then he loses it on the track for sure he does he gave I would have liked it for them to do more as far as financial stuff but that ain't GonNa happen right that's the kind of minor league baseball players that ain't going to happen but but I mean CBS distant relatives apparently knows someone in Feld and was talking about failed and I was all the instagram posts about the line we're coming out and intense like yes one guy's not about it one guy wants to like usually when you get someone down you let them go and like I thought fills was ten times better than Preston Yup Yup Yup absolutely he gave me nuts in like I can't remember the year but he gave me Nut Co. Yeah Nice so that helped me recover from the burn thing I it it was it was rough for them all right next one what do you think a C. needs from me at supercross this year what more can I do for them this year com ca sorry about I'm sorry about him total big old dinner table arguing over fell just that she should know that one yeah I liked it not Clinton no he didn't know he didn't you're right I'm sorry he did late with a late pass because he wasn't going to but no he wrote and he got fourth yeah remember over felled at the dinner table it's good it's that's called Monday night of the show so are are one of one of my relatives eventually imaginary chainsaw would start and then he would mow them down right he would he would make the image of mowing them down with a chainsaw Oh yeah and then he would also you know the redskins that's better that's better because I could be I could get a call tonight we're actually I call after the World Series Hey congratulations you've been traded for exactly there was a there was another thing he did as well once James One so what you need to do is bring a bat a real bad and hopefully down there you're in the Pan and then when Adam win is a little corral down on the floor where the Goggle guys go and the man friends go and the wives go so you go down there with your pass and no one cares about what else happens no it's over just go on the track to wherever home plate is pretty realistic Yep Yep ever James One he would do all these imaginary things on the floor so he would he would pull a chainsaw and then he would pretend the changeover what I'd like to see you do is get a pass some sort of pass it gets you on the track you need to be around him all the time you gotta You got your Adam Jersey on or you got the team nine shirt or whatever and you and him are knocking everybody out of the park and also the best part is your swing will be very realistic you on everything and was just pretty much got excused from the dinner table my mom again warm to best Chris at happens whatever He's twenty one eight hundred I'm the first guy to jump this shit for sure that they do they do things right but they do things wrong but the thing wasn't their doing they they just they screwed up and they made it they owned it as our gate I've listened to it four separate times for ya it's I I wanna like uh-huh so Genova Mike Genova calls me and says I want to come on the show Monday and I'm like I don't know if that's good like this year I mean that was awesome that was what Phil does everyone he he's very good on brand never fails to disappoint no and you have to respect it because you actually are baseball player I think that I should knowing obviously where home plate is on each of those stages yep as soon as the checkered flag end since the racist autism of it and everything else but but I I it's a dump it I mean don't get me wrong I love to be a dodger loves and play in the playoffs of course buck man and and then you but you need to bring them back you'd bring a bat okay and so you go down there with your bat and basically you know big james used to have this thing whenever in practice up trump yes so fucking I mean I'm sure he's pretty good with his phone with you 'cause you're media he's all Mr Social but sometimes the guy's really hard to get aside the story when there is literally no defense other than putting your head down open all goes away started I'm sorry yeah that's it I think on two separate occasions I text him and was like hey need to Holler at like one of the guys at the agency I can make this happen I just need to know we uh-huh maybe you haven't heard it but most amazing thing about the laser chill is that so all that shit went down the race right and they lost their minds on me at this isn't a good look for you this is somebody getting busted for PD's and then calling into this is let me help you we've fucked up yeah like hey man Jeff Jeff special and we're GONNA we're trying to control them but the ASO like that call your shop or I throw you some soft toss from the side between the spokes a second place there we go it's like you're basically you run out and you just do some swings like you know you're knocking it out of the else Yep Yep you're knocking out of the park you and in my opinion on the show hang on hang on with him he takes me thank you tony wants to come on now and I'm just like I'm not do it you you wchs am I'll go there to document in quotations but also I wanna Jack went out of the Park Oh man we'll put you we'll put you fifteen feet away from the outfield wall Mike just build a new stadium just Gimme something else okay what else you got let's have this one oh op it up and set some different things as my ringtones I just makes me puts me in a good mood it's absurd you know what was amazing about the laser show I've said this before ah I said fine though come on so he comes on and he doesn't he loses it a little bit not much like he doesn't come across very well so how do you guys have three governing bodies in your sport how does that work I mean I don't know Feld counts but like everywhere in the industry you know so most listened to show ever oh I would think so I haven't looked for a long time but I would I would get I would yep yep I we got we got 'em exports we got Ama we've got the F.. Im your things are great fantastic never never ran smoother early on and then Tony Loses his mind of course on the show and I'm just like I can't believe this is happening I can't believe these people want to come on I can't believe these people want to come on and distraught expired and there was a tractor tire in in a corner or whatever on the side of the track or whatever just marking the track and it was and it was on top of a hill and look you can hit that shit out of understanding by the way what a dump dodger stadium is to buy God we raise their a couple of times I mean I get I get I really want to come like okay went that well you suck you can nail it like crushed crushed it now let's get the actions are not to the second good second Moto and then the whole time after second motive for hours and hours they tried to blow up and no one could even have a conversation because the bike was get from you want I need to get on our that for our studio here don and to as I told you on a on a on Odiham Ataman I need to do some I said I liked that I liked that by the way got a big fan but that's not that's what he would need for sure I need to get there's two things Oh my God hurt God I must I probably sent a price set at four videos this summer at least by an eyewitness who I trust my buddy John knows my buddy John knows from Scott now he used to own a tracking and he says that his local race jalen showed up yeah I don't know I fish yeah yeah it's really great it's great it's working with the drug testing is working with all with all the changes to the sport it's really working well for S J loss story my by got two of them one of them I wasn't there for the but it was it was sworn to me puss it was something else man that show for sure put us on the map we were we had good listener ships and they are harming doing well that show just it got circus music too and it was maybe the best member they know they're just they're they're the they're the and the role this giant tractor tire towards his kids and almost killed them my third store I got three story the other one is of course is a bunch of kids playing the bottom of the hill on bikes in playing in the dirt and everything else gala pick and roll down the hill and thought it'd be funny probably fourteen in twenty eleven twenty twenty eleven probably right so diem and we said like hey and at the time instagram was like full-fledged taken off and I don't know if you remember this but the messaging APP kick mouth chewed up and we're behind the spectators attracts in front of us so the spectacles are facing the track he's whipping half chewed strawberries church and here we are now you guys got you guys got boxers and everything I got super romantic so we room at my parents house playing video games with my best friend Will Hans kitten 'em experts atv that year was fucking incredible Super Cool Bananas Grapes at the back offenses heads and these fans are turning around and they don't know where it's coming from and and he's I can't be I gotTa will on story yeah it's Pretty Clear Shit so probably twenty twelve I'm sitting in my front hip will buy you a six pack of beers bro so he says he says L. O. L. if you're ever old enough I'll take it or something we love you like some so fourteen year old and he responds he does and and we just thought it would be the most bad ass thing it'd be like if you win a champion top of a bus watching the race a he is to inbetween motos he's got his shirt off just kind of eating a fruit plate he's eating fruit taking it out of his track is right next door to the to the main check so it was unbelievable and my other one is that Red Bud one year I'm on bright ideas like fuck what will Ron's instagram name is the same as kidney and shit sure as shit I mean I'm using race tech so thanks to those guys are making it happen there suspension seminars are coming up real soon or actually maybe they've already happened checkout race tech dot com and thanks to abby jail on top of that bus whipping have treated us and the media guy next June and I wanted to push him off the bus I was just like you fucking idiot like you said because like something cool right before you called I actually called my buddy who has with why hadn't talked about this to like make sure I had it right and then with Chris bats bowling green hot rods you played with last year in a single a ball on his way up to Aa for twenty twenty hope you're enjoying the podcast thank you race tech as well he's tech DOT com. Please check them out Chris Chris uses race tech last year Jerry Robin Reid Race Tech Motors and suspension all summer long privateer choice Bella May as well in twenty thirteen he wins right yes soon as he as soon as he wins like I totally forgot about this kick my buddy calls me and says dog we all we don't gross I'm with you I'm with you so I was that was my threes J. Law stores thanks for listening everybody appreciate it fly racing racer x podcasts presented by Max and Alpine Stars Expect Beers Mike what are you talking about. I've told him I've told Adam the story and I was like you know obviously with you racing dive into something here so go ahead why do base like I just read an article from blue rider that talked all about this more on like why would you do that why would why would you do that and he just thought it was great so have achieved grapes and strawberries fine but a half chewed bananas kind of where I draw the line sure and and he'll be stoked to get that beer for you that's great yeah whatever he wants what else you got let's see let me loser at fourteen I offered this grown man who's got a very good paying job a six pack of Beer I guarantee you will take that beer he'll be yup it's still around was yeah was just the Shit I met my girlfriend on their like she was a freshman in high school as a freshman high school and I just wanted to see your bubis than I flyer racing alpine stars Max's for making this happen oh he's cope nineteen when you call stack to save on Motor work versus bench and work or anything so all right here's some more I will never understand it did you see the video of Lewis Hamilton breaking down his pole position with all my God it's he sitting there another nothing no no no it's it's you're not the Soviet fucking union Europe middle of America's sport not even ah I knew all about this kid and working on the slider and how it's untouchable and it's allowed him to really he was a free agent so he never got drafted but in Moto do we know anything about what's going on in Moto do we know anything about what anybody's doing Mojo Oh my God no I forget the pictures name but he's he's really shot up in the Blue Mesa organization he's going to play double next year and they literally broke in against a school of fucking blew bikes like I don't I don't think it's appropriate like walk from your tent to theirs and getting six pack of beer but when this is all done like do you think that'd be cool and he's like he's talking about it and something POPs up on the steering wheel and he goes to change like I don't know the verbiage I just started watching one and and he's talking take the twelve pack now as interest that is a good story when I called my buddy to explain to them he goes bro that's one of the greatest stories I've ever heard I doubt he remembers but Nice Liam at the races and I just literally I'm like I can't believe that I was such that held a lot and no one's going to be like W I was going to be Oh cool you guys are smart enough to figure that out awesome good job everybody I I don't get sport thinks that that's the way to go because there's not a lot of publicity as it is and there's not a lot shared simply because it's not the most popular sport anything else but somehow this slider has just allowed him to you know shut up all numbers are great now so I knew all about this road racing those guys will tell you oh my my bridgestone's weren't good at this track today tires weren't as good as the Michelin guys or whatever or I don't know if it was perfect or not but so he this guy is a software like ninety ninety one whatever and he had he had the sinker fastball down this magic slider that he's got that he discovered on his own whatever it's really helped guy with the perfect spin rate slider I don't know anything else Bridgestone frontiers are so good so personal pulls out of racing I write all about this bridge tire and how good it was and I get quotes from Chad an ad something really going on for the night when when when the mildew comes up moisture comes up in cal- at nighttime I can Anaheim's in San Diego and I don't Oh we laid a suspension change who knows way we went I at the designations Anderson practice was not very good he got like twelve fast they're not used to information being out anyway so they feel like sharing information is going to somehow negatively affect them but but here's the thing I don't know how much you follow road race bucket listens to you too apparently nine talk said years and he was just so beside himself that this story is finally getting shared that's awesome no he will listen to this you know we're down on horsepower with our power plant compared to that by on this type of track on this superspeedway or this this length of track whatever this is but and I was talking to somebody over on the team and I said you know what's up with that and then they said well yeah it was not wasn't good but they changed clamps and four can shock and they went to another another base pull that don't understand that this isn't this isn't causing or solving nuclear vision or whatever like it's it's right it's fine God forbid someone someone say something like I when when Bridgestone pulled out of motorcars their frontier was the best for southern California the front tire Bridgestone Ryder X. Goes and wins wins a heat and say his mission what are they using Dunlop's Dunlop's his dunlop's because I can't really talk about it and the commentator that's Kinda like helping him along talking on through his pole lap was like Oh is it this he goes he yeah the the darts gets more people watching it on espn then Moto leap plug the bikes into computers. No one's going to see what we're doing and I'm like yeah I just wrote the truth and got real quotes that's called journalism that's called that's what that is but in our sport it's just like in motocross it's such a small minded uneducated bunch of I mean don't get me wrong I'm sitting here like people are probably going to think that I'm an idiot for saying that we pump the bike and computers what are we doing but genuinely like I'm so fucking curious about this if you ask me too yeah I accidentally at one point ran a tire at fourteen PSI because it sat for a year and I didn't think check it no I just the amount they share in like him out my sports shares and is public and I think that I could be totally wrong but I think that a lot of your guys Yep and one day she was like would you be okay it's like I watched the race at home and I'm like yeah of course like she's like why don't you freak out just because I was a mechanic so I I have some knowledge of how motorcycles working suspension works and things like that and you see these guys fucking freak out they just clam up in this like he's literally breaking down every change that he made every spot on the track that he did differently than the other guys and it's like you know what like training more Oakland or whatever it was we went to me being I thought like now I'm not doing it 'cause I'm a fan I wanna be there for Adam chess team actually give you some fucking information on the motorcycle like Serious Information Nope I oh man thing and I'm like Oh okay I don't don't say anything don't like wouldn't why not why not look awesome that the team and Jason came up with a change podium it was brutal brutal I'm really wow really need that you need that the namedrop anyways up out of white cloth forum respect it it it takes and I'll follow up with people in post race podcast I'll be like yeah we made some shock what you do and you should see the guys you can you fourteen carcasses by the way but yeah I know it's amazing it is it is simply amazing and one and also to Chris you're sure as hell not getting out on the broadcast my chick Hannah bless her soul every every race of atoms that we were able to go to which was pretty much all of them except for San Francisco before I left for springs sucked ass Dunlop's were great thank you thank you okay thank you fellas like weren't we listen I know you're getting paid you're are you getting a bonus coach heath awesome all these people about this tire and dumb guys freak out on me they freak out on me and I'm like they're like you think you're ever going to get any advertising from US can't make it I'm sure I know that Griffin Conan should get sliders only right but so there's one day help me I've gone over my last fifteen I'm struck out fourteen times and the chick I met on tinder the night before his mother fucking me from stands Yeah Yeah I'm I'm a huge fan and I don't know the workings of a Bike I love riding super honest I couldn't change a fucking tired I don't WanNa fucking listen to these guys until I absolutely have to I'm with you man Oh when I'm in spring training and I'm in this rental house for a month and I have no her name them because you are one of the companies the the owner he's passed away now but as N. was Jeff Fox parts limited he paid writers he pay people to say his name like watch the races at home like if Adam has about nine hundred like he gets out there pretty quick he's got obligations like why don't we hang out all day and go home and I straight up told her because our our manager was super about like music always being played in the clubhouse and it was it was cool at first and then June rolls along the nationals were on Yup and generally that would line up to where one of the motives I would be able to watch in the clubhouse three-game prep by the way great great I like you said on road racing they're like oh my Bridgestone's were hooking up but fucking not Adam 'cause podium speeches are pretty electric but like per I you're not getting any that you're getting Red Honda's on the broadcast like is like how about how about the broadcast team and I've been ranting and raving about this how about the choice but to listen to it on my pad I will but if I can drive thirty minutes up the Road Anaheim and not then you good were there your baseball team mates have any idea but and and I'm I'm losing my mind and our manager came out and asked for the music to get turned on and I just lost it I just started screaming at the guy I mean screaming and then they got a one day I was like you know what you know I like no this guy right Friday night smackdown screaming and and so then it was like cool and then all of a sudden like when it got full summertime in the do they even know anything that's going on do they care they they made fun of me at first for being like screaming at my fucking phone with headphones on for the Game Alexa just life couldn't be worse I don't WanNa listen to aggressive rock or rap right now like we all just want to sit in silence on a six game he's he's he's over it oh no bro He's screaming for the music he wants it's so bad okay all right okay but the players are like God aimed to baseball players you know what I mean like seriously like there's no crossover motorsports I mean they may know NASCAR guys right because they're hillbillies and rednecks ones I kind of waiting for them to like kind of go back to old outdoors Adam and I'm sitting there same thing on the edge of my seat like what the fuck is happening yes right yes super lockton hey I can't make that scouting report and I got I got a phone call I got high point motor went on Yeah Yeah Fox is this week me like a jet high speed low speed you change a link to bring it in what would you do a dude it is it's crazy the way they look at you so that you shut the fuck up fuck boy up there we're winning the fucking race you know how much this fucking thing taste and every every yeah so I think those don't cross those streams do not cross whereas no but there are there are a handful ten guys in the pits that I could go up and say hey man what about boys and they're like Oh like my bad okay yeah like I'm not just it's not like I'm being a superfan right now fellows like I'm not watching nobody Jason Thomas and I there's a few guys Adam there's a handful of guys wilbur is one of the guys we'll do it they follow all sports funny stuff why why is the bikes like they'd scream every time a guy was scrubbed like they thought over at Brar I got like I want to support him I wanNA fuck and you know hang out with Jenna like just be good friend for him and be there like I know with your would try with your with my bat how do you feel about you know whatever anything I could see how you feel about Antonio Brown losing his mind you know and people aren't exactly but Fox so they're at Pailin and that's I think that's when Lawrence was pretty pretty like LaShawn Adam Cole I moto and this is when obviously the ladies are driving US home looks dead in the facing goes bro I couldn't tell you score that game if I tried wait what throw videos so this guy like he's smart he studies like what he needs to know to support me or to like know what's going on with me so and I mean I can have an semi intelligent conversation about almost nominee maybe not NBA. But I do follow it but football baseball hockey bender like I don't even know literally don't even know what state I'm in right now I don't know what man I don't know any of that right so the so I think it was it might I think it was and then he's like he's pulling up he goes I think one of the dodgers guys follows me and pulls them up in its cory seager the rash short style I'm like yeah we got that we're going to be good like fast forward I fucking in with nineteen year drought the year like I'll send him videos and shit like he doesn't have to say the following that few people know and he just puts his phone back in his pocket just no big deal like school I took him to night's game last year like hey man you could have told me you knew the guy you didn't have to you don't have to come after my character yes it was just a simple request civil requests man that's funny second-last or bullshitting vacation like our plans and and all this stuff we get in the car to leave Dodger Stadium and he looks me dead in the face we're in the backseat like Oh shit dude that's dope you talk at all and he does not like let me see who he follows she goes oh this is kind of cool he follows me under armor so they they kind of respected a little bit there into it yeah by the end of the year they were asking shit like just like kinda really like fuck catches lost the guy's gone the manager said my bad like walked back next I say wins and everyone's GonNa come at me about those nations but sorry sorry not sorry they then the USA wins hurling Karoly our next level for sure she got let's see if top ten in the GP's and outdoors went head to head for fifteen rounds yeah I don't designations as fucking weird to me I just think like we we have we have the world baseball classic there's the Olympics hockey like anything single also let's see why we touched on the podiums how much money do I need to sponsor support writer to front just right now one point four so we go to a dodgers game like two weeks ago probably like a week after I got home which on social right yeah another another baseball double boy here we go no no no no no we're good we're good we're good I I had that surgery I had elbow surgery very few people man it there's not much crossover like it's actually pretty crazy I mean how how about this is like Adam like like the before the season he goes we're GonNa hit twenty homers like Canada beat Usa I think in the WBZ like a few years ago so I'm all about that tournament dead no WBZ's Awesome Yep Yep so I five million I don't know if I got all hate so what did you give you one check no that's not work wins if you count points as do we do we get the Europeans at race here like Mario Yes yes yes maybe he came with my wife and I do a night's game and yeah he he just wanted to see the fights he's really more into the fight yeah kick his ass screaming about just her gag geyser I mean guys are won the title of this show over there but people forget that before the top guys went out he wasn't he wasn't you know so like shit happened over soon here but no Santana yeah right yeah so that was so so at one point I had one four eight five but I don't anymore but they do it over to different so what that let me do was not let me but what that forced me to do was I had to live in Florida for a year to read right so since that was since that made me of Florida resident okay I I'm a Florida resident as of now I'm GonNa Switch Back Nation in my sport and other ball sports is pretty much written off like even the College Football playoff is written off because they're like you're playing you're just one game what everyone talks about you would be shocked like there so I walk there's so many people in the pits that are sport that they couldn't tell you yeah yeah he's very good don't get me wrong but yeah I think I think the USA USA based guys come come up I had I do okay four people don't know you know they may know Dale Junior who's retired now but but that's about it right like all I got asked Jeff Gordon was racing as well bless his heart he try so hard I I it's funny how there's just no crossover yeah there's none okay back to check one of the checks of smaller and I did get tax for California but the bigger chunk of it all is Florida as your agent you don't have Boris to you a bit in our sport but imagine but they don't know mainstream sports and so I would think the same as crossovers while you're now I got Dan Lozano Mvp sports group the best better than Boerse I just know bores and then I know that gotTa Hate Sports Oh yeah cool I'll take it under stadium but now a good time so we get there and Adam is like we're talking all time we're having God and like no one really like twenty people yeah wow and then I was gonna say maybe it was the social media company but no no not following right right so yeah okay he gets shelled in the first inning for the game last night was the last night yeah last night and I saw a tweet Eh Gimme some baseball and pick out some more all right so Tyler glass now tyler I names finding staff when he was killing it just to make him happy so here's a nice here's a nice little crossover with my agency and moto the videos on F s one or whatever saw send videos of me getting ojected of me get hit the Dick of at home runs whatever just from I forget who it was now that said he's tipping his pitches I saw him in spring training he's doing the same thing now he's tipping pitches caused one of his injuries so yeah it was a big big deal but and then he goes to the braves and the the GM EX TORONTO GM hires all the Toronto okay so tip these guys do tip there pitches so say I had one thousand nine home runs that's a lot price six of them I knew was this a source wasn't a writer no it was a baseball player a baseball player weeded out that he was tipping pitches and so he was saying like this is not a surprise Oakley's but that's okay I'm not I don't have anything signed up all right what else you got some baseball stuff okay let's horse the Astros cutted night after the game right but tipping pitches does it happen I mean is that common is that is that the the MVP that's everybody has Machado yeah that's right noted for by the way next time global noted proper way and if that index so on pitchers gloves generally there's a so like I guess a good example is look at pictures a lot of them have a thing like when you put a glove on your index finger sticks out that's the proper way to wear to love Mike Guy just got me some fucking dope hundred percent sunglasses for cycling so shout out one hundred percent they're doing baseball stuff man Oh yes right the Machar injuries for them no one and then he hated the blue jays quote unquote high-performance trainers they had so there was a big beef behind the scenes I guess like they were he felt like they almost finger would raise off the ball but you can see that from out there oh yeah it's it's sixty feet six inches away it's I mean it's shorter than triple the pitcher that doesn't that doesn't look it always starts with that doesn't that doesn't look right in the big leagues it's easier because they have fifty the shot oh they've donaldson they of joy bottle yes Donaldson Chris Pets my Guy Donaldson Josh who apparently the biggest pain in the ass ever but but he ruled I don I couldn't tell you the years but probably the nineties or something a lot of pitchers when they would put pressure on their hand to grip into a certain grip that Pau Finger Hood and that index finger goes into this like in leather enclosure because in I don't want to like get I'm just trying to think no no I'm trying to think of like don't be you know not not just trying to think how to phrase this without getting myself in the she where people thought that they were feeling stop that stop that was not true it's a whole nother can of worms yes yes but was coming really that common it's that common six of them not not because of my guy on bass telling me six and then because away yeah and then other other things like you can obviously pick signs like everyone knows that and but a lot of times like to make his everyone watches the runner on second base like you advanced common fan knows that it's probably coming from second base I mean because I want the Blue Jays go through this once a year where like Tyler Thornton this year just got crushed against the white sox and they're like yeah you're tipping pitches bro well the Blue Jays also what generally happens is it could also happen in the way of the runaround second base does something that tells someone in the dugout and someone in the dugout really is it a leg position like how do they I don't like their hands in their glove they're moving their fingers as opposed to their pitch so what's tipping them off to change the different camera angles that no one else has access to and they can watch and watch and watch which is fair game like Yep Yep so is is it an elbow position tell him on yeah Machado's one hundred percent Guy Fernando Tatas one hundred percent guy yeah yeah no man I could've got you it's a face that's right there some other ones are you know when the pitcher is putting his putting the ball into the glove out of the stretch so with yeah I don't I don't like that as much 'cause you're relying on someone else's Intel guy on second telling you that Yep Yep but what's he doing is he shuffling one way or another of course jumping supercross track at BUDD's creek mid moto to go do a lap or two and then pull back into the modal pull back into the modal track like the Super But if you like act like you're taking the sign the wind up your glove is facing hitter like the back of your yeah so that that thing moves up time to pick the guy what he's doing and then relay all that to the guy right but also like at certain at those at especially in the big leagues you have you could watch hours of like he could be he could be picking the right nostril picking left like I mean we yeah really not that far okay you can see the race nocco though you can see daylight between the knuckle and Gov and you'd be like Oh yeah so I'm doing I'm doing obviously at my kitchen table right now it's easy on sometimes they get excited or if they go to do the grip early you can see them adjusting the grip when the balls on its way from behind their ass to the glove does as a player like hey many hits the fastball yeah following that I'm glad he had a nice comeback year I'm stoked that he did because his fears Super Shitty luck with has a distinct whistle or first names a fastball last names at breaking ball stuff I say come on Steve Fast Come on oh it's a break you have enough this year home runs through like fastballs commoner breaking ball whatever yeah yeah actually yeah I mean if that doesn't tip the next time I could look like an absolute goes of the rays and the Astros game sites like can figure out there they're multiple sequences and stuff so that's totally a thing out very well especially like even in the big leagues you can hear them but the hard part about that is like with today's game like it's not like off fast balls are thrown inside and all sorts in the middle so if they execute that pitch and you know where it's going and you know what it is it's still almost impossible I've heard that I've heard some big leaguer say like after I touch my hat the signs open so he could touch eight different things touches hat and then you gotta start counting the Dugout okay so but you guys are I thought the catchers are calling the pitchers are they looking for what pitched to put down so they it is as giving signs and those signs pertain to pickoffs pitch outs slide steps like all it's all running game all every the catchers call every single pitch that's thrown all game when they look into the Dugout Yup the manager or the bench coach or whoever's responsibility up and at the last minute he moves right or left to the plate can you not as a batter just pick that up and know that the pitches coming inside or outside I don't understand that would okay so it's nothing to do with science correct so they have their own scouting reports on the baserunners in tendencies on when they steal and when they get uber aggressive and whatnot go and then it's closed and everything after that is is English there's nothing so so he can touch any part of his body but you gotta you gotTa think about all this here's and everything all of us fans see all the time is that is there just one sign in there and it's the fourth fifth sixth whatever whatever's movement is that nothing's on if they don't give you a sign at something on an aimless touching Yup than upping okay critics come on Lex as you said the fifth signed touch it can get as complex as okay let's say he's yet so let's say he gives let's say he gives four signs and let's say for that team or is a bunk then you stop counting when he touches his would wipe out it comes off it easier okay because my own my own cocktail I take it off with after the game okay all right fantastic yeah when the catcher sets days right right here's this are you are you fingernail Polish guy or not now nail Polish all day no no she's me not nail Polish I do house you what is right that's how it goes yes so half the time it's really nothing so caters so they have signs rarely is there a sign that says author crouch on their Jesus it's fucking stupid like we have to do it but I mean oh by the way you got hitting the Dick stuff thrown location right but the other part about baseball is like no one's really ever very rarely as someone trying to throw a pitcher so the signs that they're taking from the dugout are all related to pick offs and stealing and stuff like that and the managers doing the whole touching shoulders in the nose and the like if you could tell me what's coming right now by a really good pitcher and I wouldn't really hit it like yeah so I guess another example going back to the home runs is like I feel personally after watching video feel like there's two homerun ones that I hit all year where I hit the pitch pitcher was actually trying to make like he made a perfect the forty and guys bat swing does he got you in the head so I need to keep count here for fourteen different be a super big tell you see on the corner of your eye you can see the duo ving you actually you can't see an all but you can hear them you can hear him when you're up there sometimes batting and you're you're like okay this guy's got a breaking ball fastball sinker so you're you're yeah yeah I'm a steak right are you are don't you I mean I read something like you have point three seconds to decide where you want to go or whatever it is whatever number astronomically small numbers on when you need to swing guessing right like you're you don't actually I mean I guess maybe a Pool Hall or Harper whatever trout or whatever it may be they can tell but it's like I would say it's chest but it's a bunch of dumb asses the play baseball like we're we're Kinda like hillbillies a ball sports feel like so are you just guessing like hey okay let's see he's GonNa come back and move the slider like yeah I mean I'm guessing games but the you know scouting reports come into play from the teachers to like you know the percentages and stuff but for the most how is that is that just it's it's honestly it's not as big because those small minor league towns dude obviously not me love my baby Mama yes with no part it's like okay I'm GonNa look for fast ball because it's the hardest hit and if he throws me up breaking ball let's hope it's not a good oh yeah okay so are you basically gearing up for a fastball and trying to adjust offer that as a better my approach this year was enough to hit it yeah so the last time we faced him I was like okay every time I face him I chase pitches swing at balls bucket eighty six which is slow as all and he made me want to cry in the box just like I couldn't do anything to slow it down a lot of honesty it's just fucking hoping and praying and making sure you lived your life the right way the day before he didn't hook up with chicken how much how big is tender all your teammates nice I am trying to get drugged and robbed I I can relate back in the day when I was a mechanic and the after parties for sure oh man that's such a good question probably I caught up what's coming there was there was a pitcher this year relief pitcher for Lake Lake County which is an Indians affiliate and he's left handed and he threw about her budget where's the uniform pretty damn good point let's see who else Arching stew right I I've spent some quality days in stews compound watching him practice and I'm just like right next to the track watching this guy ride and I'm like I can't believe it oh yeah and then I played played Rafael Devers and spring training was fat in the end they're probably going to bring someone else in and I'm not rooting for him to get out but I really don't WanNa face yeah that's funny yeah I would imagine so who's the best pitcher I'm GONNA I'm GonNa stand with my toes on the on the line I'm going to get as close to the plate as I can and just hope he hits her walks and first-pitch he everything else but do look at where he is an all time baseball stats it's fucking amazing it's amazing like he's he's approaching you know just the always greats just incredible has no babies but the other guys is busy are they leaving town all day get they're just getting aspect and then what is what okay so you talk about our sport being Russia and I I agree with you but you fucking baseball players play the game the right way man or player you've seen up close personally either played with played against I know you're only single-a or let's go to school or whatever it was there a guy that you dislike throw me a fastball I'm GonNa hit it to the fucking moon and everything else I'm GonNa just GonNa do my damn this strike now which showed because I struck out one hundred thirty times Yemen Blake Snell oh I mean I can't ignore this I I worked out with our Pelos once or twice a couple years ago watching him watching him just to do his work but I hit nineteen pumps like yeah yeah but yeah I really don't strike your ob was sure was three three five that's pretty decent that's good yeah I walked I walked play the game the right way to like Brian McCain is yelling at some guy 'cause he he literally hit a game winning homer and extra innings and sell it they get scammed they get off it's gnarly they're big like old school go out to bars as meet chicks hey I'm a real estate agent in town for a conference through a little cement mixer slider which means that it just kind of spun anything and any hit me in the Elbow Garden I took my base I was the happiest guy on the team just not really said but how many how many white American baseball players have had the title of that like Douchebag doesn't play the it was so ecstatic but you know there's literally like and that's half the battle but there's times in the on-deck circle where I'm who okay if this guy gets out aim right yeah and you could yeah you could say you could say Bryce Harper but when Bryce Harper came up and was playing and play in the same way he still does play today Joe Show anybody up God you guys like let the kids play was the motto for Major League Baseball but dude there's so many cranky they decide the fate of certain guys like when Brian McCann Gotten Carlos Gomez face like that was I was kind of a lot I was really good at instilling some fake feared another pitchers and now there are times where you are completely lost up there as a better you just don't even know is in baseball what about that reliever play for the cardinals for I think he got caught eventually but I read a story in the athletic about the things that he was making the rookies do and so you think it's a little racial a little bit it's just like I mean it's it's everything that's Kinda and it's

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5 Mainstream Health Habits That Trick You Into Feeling Lousy

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5 Mainstream Health Habits That Trick You Into Feeling Lousy

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And I am also also going to read you the text of an advertisement in an illustrative way. The ad is is not from a sponsor of the show. It's just a different company, and they are called fiver with two hours on the end for some probably like Silicon Valley reason, but fiber bills itself as an online marketplace for freelance labor where people have the freedom to be paid as little as five dollars for doing a task, you know, finally freedom from minimum wages anyway. In two thousand seventeen this company fiber ran an ad campaign called in doers we trust. And I want you to see a mostly text poster from that campaign. It was just text over a cool lady's face. But since this is an audio medium. You must see it with your ears. So here's the posters. Text quote. You eat a cough. Fy for lunch. You follow through on your follow through sleep. Deprivation is your drug of choice. You might be a doer, and quote, you just saw it and that description of a life where coffee replaces food and where sleep deprivation as chronic and where you fixate on tasks instead of well being that leads directly into this week's topic. Our topic this week is why you feel like crap that's the whole topic. It's very simple one more time. That is why you feel like crap fair warning. I will probably think of a more eloquent way to put that in the official title of the show, you'll see something different there. But either way that title, you'll see will express the same. Very simple concept. Why are you maybe often achey sleepy frazzled or otherwise not feeling all that hot and surprising number of the reasons for that are surprising? And are also we think self inflicted by a lot of cultural pressures, which are broken down brilliantly. In a recent double column by my guests today. Because when I say, we I'm joined by someone who writes for cracked and the New York Times bestseller list as David Wong. His true. Name is Jason and Jason has done some really remarkable digging into new studies and old habits and other eye-opening information, which we're going to dive right into so please set back or lay down and rest up and sleep deprivation is not an XBox achievement or something don't do it. You don't get points. Either way. Here's this episode of the cracks podcast with Jason Persian. I'll be back after we wrap up talk to you them. It's a double column that we're drawing on. But there's so much at meet here. It's really impressive, man. Yeah. We're going to get into some subjects that annoy me greatly. The while. I am not normally the angry podcast person this subject, which sounds benign. We're talking about health and bad health habits that are kind of baked into society. This stuff bugs me a lot. Because to me what we have is a culture that really puts pressure on you all day long to do deeply unhealthy things. And then shames you for doing them at it is like, oh, you stayed up all night. Like, we told you to how dare you. And that's the the first one we're going to talk about the like, the sleep deprivation crisis in the modern world. It is about as perfect example as exists of this, right? Yeah. This is a case where look sometimes people ask me like why why are you like this? And the reason is because throughout my life as a kid as soon as I was conscious of that. I was a human being living in a society. Grownups were constantly telling me things that didn't sound right. But, you know, eventually, eventually they're like, well, you're just a dumb child, and you don't know anything, and we are the grownups. And we, you know, we're the people who hold power society. So clearly, we know what we're doing. So just shut up and you'll you'll soon learn we were right? And in many many cases, no they weren't. They weren't right at all. For example. I'm going to guess just about everyone listening here as a teenager. They were very difficult to get up in the morning to go to school around the time. Usually they hit middle school or whatever it really did feel like I should still be asleep at this hour like this. Doesn't feel natural in your parents yelled at you for being lazy and for sleeping in. And you not being motivated enough to to get up. And you're you're you're gonna miss the bus and on and on. Yeah. Well, guess what science agrees? You were. Right. You should have been allowed to sleep in your body needs more sleep in those years, but our society which insists on being based on a farmer. Schedule of earlier you get up the better person. You are dragged you out of bed. So that is one and we have a pile of data. We're going to run through as quickly as we can. But that is one example of where the thing you kind of instinctively knew was true was true. They were wrong the golden along your teachers were wrong, right, especially because you were getting inputs from your own body that you were inside of. So, you know, maybe you're confused by them. But you at least are getting the readings. Like, you know about it. Right. And instead we turned into a morality test where if you are a good person a good hardworking person than you get up early. But if you are a lazy slouch use sleep in. And of course, that means that you're you're doomed to be unsuccessful because all of society starts functioning like six AM for no reason at all, right? We have electric lights. Now, we can conduct business anytime we feel like it and the whole concept that like everyone needs to be on the same schedule. Not adapting to the fact that people have different Sucato in rhythms things like that, you know, the their hormonal changes that some people simply need more sleep than others. Not because they're Lisi because they're buddies are different just as some people need to I don't know urinate, more often than others because their bladder is smaller, it's not a moral failing. It's just people's bodies are different. But boy, I sure did not hear that stuff as a kid. And now, we realized this is a health crisis. And also when you were describing that situation of back when we were in high school being told this adage, probably some listeners who that's at present tense thing there that age and it's happening to them right now. But we've got one thing here. It's the twenty eleven national sleep bound Asian poll, and they found that. By the time US students reach their senior year in high school, they're sleeping and average of six point nine hours a night, which is down from eight point four hours when they were in the sixth grade, so it's the exact same people just as they go further into their their k through twelve education, others more and more pressure to sleep less even though your body's forming throughout that time. You should be getting rest. So it can like grow properly and stuff. Yeah. And here's where like cranky adults will say the only reason they're having so much trouble getting up as because they were up late at night going out with their friends or or playing their video games or on on their their Instagram being in being an Instagram influence, or whatever the the kids do these days being the a fortnight which streamer. I think that you imagine gaming or they imagined that like like Hollywood high school movie party, which is just inexplicably at a mansion that the parents aren't checking on it's one of those. Yeah. That the kid got to buy crawling out of their second floor window, right, right? Because they they live in a two story house, and they like a little roof there, and then they can skip down on it and jump in their friend's car that if I had done that like, my parents would have called the cops like that is a good introduction to the pressure. You're going to get on both ends because if you are a kid who just skipped out on having a social life at that age that also will harm your long term life and chop prospects and everything else going out in like learning to be friends with people and having a social circle debts. Not wasting time. That's part of you learning. How to be an adult like this part of you. Learning how to function in groups, and how to be have friends, and how to have romantic partners. Like, that's also something you need to learn how to do it sixteen. So telling a kid as we've been telling kids for ten thousand years. No at this age. You should only be learning. How to do math and how to to continue the farm after your mother, and I have passed away at age thirty two. It's like, well, no, that's never the reason. One hundred percent of kids have re have been defying that advice for hundreds of generations is because they are going to do those things are going to adopt hobbies. They're trying to form their personality. There's a movement nationwide to like start school later. We've got it somewhere here on the notes, and we can link to, but this is a big deal because there's tons of data like all of the data's in this direction that if you start school like ninety minutes later because some districts now start as early as seven AM if you start at just just push back by an hour and a half you get better performance that they learn better. But it's like, well, I'll be damned if I'm going to let these kids stay up all night on their on their Snapchat. S-, you know, because I certainly didn't get to sleep in at that age. He had after all these hours were good enough for the farmers eight hundred years ago. Why couldn't we keep doing it today after all why should we ever adapt society in any way, right? This. Yeah. This thing will link here. It's called the start school later movement, which seems to be somewhat informal, but it's a group of lots of different educators. Scientists people who think that we should just shift when school happens because also we have a few things from other countries here at Stanford medicine article that looked at also kids and other countries and apparently the teenagers who are getting the most sleep are in Australia, and they think it's partly because schools start later in Australia so teens they were getting about nine hours a night of sleep, which is fantastic. And then as far as the teens who are getting the least amount asleep. The Stanford medicine article says that South Korean at leci- asleep an average of four point nine hours per night. According to a twenty twelve study in the journal sleep, they begin school between seven and eight thirty AM most of them have additional evening classes. And so that's there. The world leaders in sleeping. The least the article also says South Korea lessons have a relatively high suicide rate of ten point seven suicides per one hundred thousand people a year, and they think that chronic sleep deprivation, which messes with your body. A lot of ways is probably part of why that's part of what we're going to get into. Because this obviously does not get any better. Once you're out of school, and and an adult, but this is not a joke like sleep deprivation screws you in every possible way, it affects your mental health. You're physical help it makes you worse at dealing with people in that's part of what bugs me about the cultural attitude toward it as like this moral thing where we accept that sleep is good for you. We accept that you need it. But it's one of the few things in society where you would tell someone. Well, no, that's that's too much. Like, even though your body wanted to stay asleep for another hour. We've decided that we're we're we're cutting it off which is such a mixed message, and such a where people in and we'll get into this where like successful people where it was like a badge of honor. How little they sleep? Like, I think there's people listening who would hear those hours and think we'll see this is why South Koreans are getting ahead discuss their sleeping so little and that such a dangerous myth because weird. This is one of those things where society has changed in a way that our biology has not kept up with and as far as impacts on our biology like you listening at home, probably have a general sense that not sleeping messes with you Stanford medicines. Article describes the results of it. As an inability to concentrate for grades drowsy, driving incidents, anxiety, depression, thoughts of suicide and even sewage. Side attempts feel like the driving thing is in particular. Underrated like every everybody has learned especially the past few decades. How bad it is too drunk drive. But I feel like sleepy driving is extremely common. And that that's something. Nobody even really thinks about much. Yeah. And it is as dangerous as drunk driving because it has all of the same effect. So if you have like one day, basically of no sleep or very poor sleep. You're you're drunk. You're not you're walking around drunk. But it's the type of thing where everyone will congratulate you for having done it. But is insane. But, you know, this is why you've you could get into like some of the regulations they've had to put into place around like the trucking industry requiring drivers to stop and sleep every so many miles because I was wise they would just go because they're trying to get, you know, get the general with quickly as possible. But then you've got the thing with medical professionals and working thirty six hour shifts. And so you've got a doctor who's looking over your chart. Dr so sleep deprived. That the words just look like ants crawling over the page because he or she has been up for so long. And it's like gosh, these hardworking people, it's so great such such driven professionals. They are meanwhile, like the military uses sleep deprivation as torture technique and the United Nations had to ban it. American CIA to staff doing this. Because just keeping someone awake is a form of destroying them. Mentally and physically both the when you're doing it to yourself. That means you're a hard charging successful captain of of industry that pressure has real we've got because not only are teens not sleeping enough. But there's a article here from escort in the UK that describes a two-thirds of adults worldwide as not getting enough sleep two thirds of all adults. That's a lot of people and the CDC and the World Health Organization of declared it an epidemic. The article says that in Japan where the damage is at its most absurd. The average time spent asleep is six hours and twenty two minutes. And I guess the Japanese language also has go phrases to describe falling asleep in public, which is Inamori and also the act of dying from overworking, which is karoshi. A so now, you note, some Japanese words for edges sell. Inflicted sleep problems. And yeah, because America's not necessarily the worst at this. This is a worldwide epidemic. And it's a thing where the factors that play into. It are present worldwide where a lot of the hobbies and socializing occur late at night. Just for reasons to kind of make sense. It's that's when people are available to do them. But the whole culture of being the first one in the office and starting your day before anyone else is pervasive. And just this idea that this is what a good person does. We're not here to give health advice. This is not. We're not here to lecture you the you're not getting enough sleep. That's not the point the point is that if you're not that it's not it's not your fault. This is you know, there's like four billion people in the world in your exact same circumstance because you have you're getting it from all sides where if you go to sleep too early. Early. Then you're not seeing your friends and your nerd or you don't have any hobbies or you're you're not an interesting person. But if you, you know, stay out too late or sleep in or whatever, then you're a lazy slob. So we just we chop off sleep at both ends. And then when you're walking around sleep-deprived, we right helpful articles about well. You know, you're not getting enough sleep. You know, what this is this hurting you and it's like, okay? Right. So person at home who you just worked overnight at the hospital as a nurse, and then you came home and had to take care of a two year old during the day before leaving for your second job. Like, hey, did he know this bad for you? Did you know that the lack of sleep is bad? It's like a really thank you internet expert for the fact that I walk around all day feeling like I could die like I could literally just lay just just dig into a hole in the ground and die. You're saying that's bad that I shouldn't feel like it. Thank you for that for that revelation, right? I had no idea. My body was upset with what I'm doing. So it's a trap. We set for people that's in. So like, the cultural, and that's the thing that bugs me more as a part that we've got the profile of the successful person who barely sleeps. This drives me up a wall. I'm glad you found this Esquire UK article because they reveal a thing that I didn't really know 'cause I don't know enough about all the British Prime ministers. But apparently, Margaret Thatcher was famous for sleeping less than five hours per night. It was seen as a way she was a success as a prime minister as she was followed by John Major, and he was seen as weak for sleeping more than that among other reasons, and I would think it's better to have a well rested prime minister and the article says that Thatcher got all this credit for staying up all night. But less is said, however about Thatcher's final years plagued by minor strokes and dementia so profound that she barely recognised her own family, and quote, and it may not be. Be quite an eight A B didn't sleep enough ended up with neurological problems. But I believe science says that contributes any kind of profile of a CEO or or of any kind of an innovator or whatever they h- usually like I I think Bill Gates claimed teeth slept only like three hours a night, something like that. It's rare that you read a profile of a successful person where they don't boast about how little they sleep. We pulled here just the last few presidents, including the current occupant Bill Clinton, barely slept five hours per night. According to a New York Times article he was told by a professor at Georgetown that great men require less rest than normal people. And so he just decided he would act like a great man by not sleeping much. There's also very like glowing New York Times coverage of the way Obama spent his late nights and that he barely slept five hours per night because he just needed like alone time to read widely and be. Very thoughtful, and then Trump brag to Bill o'riley about only sleeping four to five hours per night. Claimed quote, I am working long hours long hours and right up until twelve AM or one a m there's also other sources specifically the book fire and fury by Michael Wolff. Which may or may not be accurate where he claims Trump goes to bed at six thirty pm whenever his schedule allows it which if it's true is a sign of a pretty serious sleep disorder. That's like a problem and also sleeps in a room with three TV's in it and brings a cheeseburger to bed and Ella stuff that might be crazy and not true. But either way all three of those guys have pretty unhealthy sleep habits, oddly, George W Bush made a point of publicly letting everybody know that he got eight hours a night, and and was very disciplined about it. But most of our presidents have been like just got to be up all night working and thinking and reading that's the way I am. And we should be concerned about that. Because it makes them worse leaders one of the reasons why it is hard to solve this problem is. Because there's no one thing. Like, if you go out if you're having trouble sleeping in you. Go out on the internet looking for tips. You'll get stuff that doesn't seem that helpful. It's like, well, your room should be completely dark, and you should have no distractions, and you should not do anything that like makes you think very much right before bed. It's it's all things that were it's kinda like giving diet advice to someone where it's like well instead of eating a cheeseburger in your car, you should eat a salad without dressing on it. And and a bowl of raw vegetables. It's like, yeah. You're you're telling me that thing that needs to occur. The I kind of can't get there from here. I guess like there's a reason I don't have all of those things is just not taking a lot of realities into account. Yeah. And like one thing we've mentioned here is that the. Effect of screens on your body when we talk about smartphones. Obviously, there's the fact that you now have a thing you can take to bed with you. That's even more convenient than, you know, taking your laptop to bed or when people have a TV in their bedroom or some people still do there's an effect of just artificial light on your door body. Like, you those rhythms and the hormones get jacked up by fishing rights because the unions did not evolve with artificial lights. Artificial lights are an extremely recent invention. That are not like a candle like the light the screen you're holding six inches from your face blasts into your eyeballs in tricks your body into thinking, it's it's daytime. Yeah. We've got a sulk institute study Ephron twenty eighteen that says certain cells in the eye process ambient light and reset our internal clocks. And so when those cells are exposed to the artificial light of screens late at night. Right. Our internal clocks get confused on that results in a host of health issues because Ray where you still like fire and the sun and so on but screens are two new for our bodies to know what's going on. And it's also something that there's not a ton of great research on because the way we use things changes so rapidly, you know, again, like having a screen that you that you use it the way you use it where it's right next year face, and you're doing it uninterrupted for many hours at a time that was different from how we used to even televisions television DC positioned across the room. Right. If you're kidding went and sat with your face right up to the TV, your parents would make you stop doing it. They're like it's going to ruin your is. Yeah. How 'bout I forgot about that? When you try to start solving the problem. It's a complicated thing to try to fix because everyone is different and part of the thing that you're trying to fix. Maybe simply the fact that your. Schedule doesn't match your work schedule. Like, there may not be a lot you can do there. So then the international method of dealing with it is caffeine. Yeah. Which has been kept the civilizations have been running off of caffeine for centuries. I mean, t- wars have been fought over t- like they the first time somebody made and brewed tea or before that I think these chew on the leaves or whatever they're like. Oh, yeah. I suddenly am not sleepy anymore. And we've been using that to bridge the gap for a very long time but caffeine does not replace sleep caffeine. Does not give you energy it dulls the receptors in your body. That are supposed to be telling you how tired you are. So it it's sort of like, you know, if you have an infection in instead of treating. The infection. You take a painkiller. So the pain of the infection is not there. It's like you've not treated the thing. You just cut off your body's ability to detective. Well, that's why caffeine. Does it cuts off when your body starts screaming at you need sleep the caffeine, simply quiets it's like we've got a check engine light in your car. You just put some electrical tape over the light as like problem solved. My engine is now fixed. So you have a case where in both directions both to stay awake and asleep in night. Lots and lots of people self medicate what something but rarely are aware of how it works. How effective it is. How much they should be taking? I mean, if you pull the average person like ask how many milligrams of coffee or how many milligrams of caffeine? Do you get an average day? They're going to it'll be a blind. Guess it's something they're taking as a drug because they know it affects them, but they're not stopping to think. Like most people are shocked to find out that Starbucks Coffee has twice as much caffeine as red bull. Yeah. That was amazing to learn that, it's let's see here. Nine point five milligrams per ounce in a red bull and nineteen point five eight grant, milligrams per in Starbucks Coffee double. Yeah. Or to put it another way it can of red bull as like eighty milligrams whereas Cup. Starbucks Coffee is like two hundred medium Cup is like two hundred. And if you get like Vinci, it's like three hundred twenty milligrams is it's literally like four red bulls. And if you say, well, you've got three hundred milligrams of caffeine like that kind of sounds like a lot is it how much can you take before you die? Like if I hand you a red ball that's eighty milligrams of caffeine that they may think that's hot. And it's kind of not it's. It's part of what you're getting out of red boys or sugar, and then a bunch of other ingredients that don't do anything this far as we know. So it's a case where you're self medicating. That's fine. We all do it. I I mean, you're talking to someone if anything when thinks I'm here as a health expert who who is asking you to live my healthy lifestyle. I I have ingested more caffeine than than most of you ever. Will there few people I could caffeine lot of you under the table. I I have had two jobs continuously since I was in high school, basically. So yes, I am the king of sleeping for five hours a night for years at a time. But the way we do it in the way, I do where you kind of just drinking some caffeine until you're not sleepy anymore. And you just keep ingesting it until you're not sleeping more without any thought to and then you're tossing and turning that night. And there are some people who as they get older, we'll say, well, yeah, I know not to have coffee after like six. It's like, okay. But do you have it down? Like, do you know how many milligrams of caffeine you can get at what time of the day before? It ruins your sleep the following night because it works differently for different people and caffeine can stay in your system for days. Oh, yeah. I'm thinking about two things right now. One of them is I can't remember the last time I taped one of these without making sure to have caffeine. I, but also I'm thinking of like, even my doctor who who is a medical professional. He think would be very exact as they just asked me like in general, how many cups of coffee do I have per day. And they're just kind of eyeballing it like I am. Nobody's nobody's like nailing this down. I don't I'm not saying my doctors doing a bad job. I think is just how we all think about it. A lot of those people those hard charging captains of industry who are both. They only sleep three hours a night. I'm not directing this at any specific person or politician. But I'm telling you right now a lot of those people it ain't caffeine that they're using to stay up all night. They have graduated to other things that will keep them going and be able to stay up until midnight. And then get up and literally at three AM to start looking at stock prices, or whatever the hell they do. I think with also allow these it's hard to nail down and exact single perpetrator of these things, but with sleep the biggest thing might be that lion. As Asian of these hard charging people, and it's often like, south Lyon as Asian as I m e LAN mosque because I never stopped. Yeah. Or there? It would not shock me an old to find out. Donald Trump goes to sleep at like six PM, and then wakes up at like three because I have seen his tweets that he sent it three in the morning like he's up in the night. I don't think he's working as my thing. Right. I think people overestimate how productive they are on that schedule is is the key. The it's like, well, I was working that whole time gab the quality. Of your work. Your ability to have ideas, you're building to be creative and then longevity. If the fact that when you turn, you know, if you're aging quickly, you hit fifty and all sudden at the spice style hits you like a truck because you know, I'm forty four. I'm telling you when the cock ticked over to forty. I suddenly became a very old, man. It's everything everything about the schedule that I used to be very proud of in terms of because I mentioned earlier, you know, working always working multiple jobs, and then writing a book on the side and all that stuff and in working till two and three AM anyone who's worked with me at crack, you can confirm this. But like the day after my fortieth birthday. I swear it was immediately. Like, oh my God. I now feel I don't drink, and I was like I feel hung over. I get two hours less sleep last night than I should have an. Instead of before where you like I'd be kind of sluggish in the morning, and then eventually get going now, I feel like I have the flu. Now, it's like I'm in like, physical pain. I'm telling you and things you're doing in your twenties. If you try to maintain that schedule for very long at some point, it will it will hit you. There's no free energy like you're drawing from somewhere the night before you're drawing from the next day and in your youth. You're trying from your middle hate you like you will be hurting yourself in the long term. And that's where you know. Like yet earlier the suicide statistics from some of the countries where there's so much pressure to not sleep and all that. Like depression anxiety. All those things are made worse because you don't have the energy to like regulate your emotions like there's a reason you're in a horrible mood when you haven't slept. So if you're continually in that state. It's changing your personality because it's like you get to point where that's like that's just who you are. You're just this cranky person all the time, and it's so widespread to like that back to that ask why are you care article? They said that a study found that almost half of British people were sleeping less than six hours per night now and there was a previous similar study back in nineteen forty two. Also, I don't know if they controlled for World War two's impact. But either way that study in nineteen forty two found that under eight percent of British people were sleeping that little most people were getting more than six hours of sleep a night, which is still not quite enough. But it's at least like a foundation, and and if you listen to this just go out into the world and look at a group of people around you a ton of them are feeling this this tough way where they are just not topped up on the energy. They need to to be who they wanna be. Yeah. And that's the thing is when you look back like previous generation. Nhs. They were getting more sleep. Like, we these were people who worked in factories and worked on farms and had what we think of as like harder jobs, but they also were getting more sleep like they weren't under the same pressure. You know, and we've not even gotten into like, irregular, work schedules, yell. The fact that there are so many businesses that operate overnight and weeks them two weeks back to be able to get an Uber at two in the morning. We expect to be able to get a cab at two in the morning. We expect the pharmacy to be twenty four hours at least where I live. Now. I've you know, that you want to be able to go to a place in the middle of the night, be bailed, if you're driving someplace late, you want to be able to stop and get gas at four AM and assume there will be a twenty four well, those places all have to be monitored by human beings, you know, twenty four hour technical support, those are human beings oser people who aren't awake when they should be asleep. And if they were not there, you'll be greatly annoyed. Because when we need tech support at four in the morning, we are not in the mood to hear. Well, no, it would be unhealthy to have our advisor stay up all night to help you. They're all at home with their families getting good night's sleep. It'd be like no I need someone's help five to be up. Everyone has to be up. And so. I think it's relatively recent too. Like, I remember being a kid and asking my parents, why that business was called seven eleven because I didn't under- sit. Like why is that twenty four hour? Convenience store called seven eleven and it was because long long ago they were advertising that they were open that many hours which was remarkable at the time. Yeah. Whereas now like close to me, my grocery stores twenty four hours. Mike kroger. My WalMart is twenty four hours. Yeah. Like you by God. This is America. If I want to go out and buy ice cream and a carton of cigarettes, and whatever whatever else at at three thirty A AM in my pajamas. I fully expect a completely fully staffed store of smiling. People to help me help me do that. And would be shocked when it's not there. So it's part of the getting the pressure from both ends because. All right. These are the jobs that are out there. But. If you show up at somebody's house at two in the afternoon and bang on the door, and they're angry because you woke them up it'd be like, but you are asleep at two in the afternoon. What are you on employed? Are you are you on drugs? What do you have a medical problems? Like, no, I got home from work at eight AM. If you do the math. This is only six hours later. See this is overnight for me. But it doesn't work that way. See because during the day, we expect you to be awake. Even though we fully understand that huge parts of the economy functioned that all of the police officers doctors, and nurses that they're all breaking overnight, but we still will make loud noises during the day, and we'll still run a jackhammer right outside your window. And we'll still ring your doorbell to try to sell you something because it's during the day. Everyone is awake. Why what kind of a lazy person would be asleep in the middle of the day? Just like, so what am I what am I supposed to sleep? Then exactly. It's like never you're supposed to keep working on behalf of other people until you just follow over and die. And then we will yell at you for being so irresponsible for your health and for not getting enough sleep. Because see that also is your fault. You have failed to get enough sleep due to your grossly irresponsible actions. I feel like maybe the solution is to start giving ourselves and other people more latitude to get some sleep because it's such a combination of pressures keeping us up. I feel like like we're supposed to accomplish things professionally and we're supposed to build a life. Personally. We're supposed to help around the community and anything else we can think of or supposed to have seen. All the good shows. Read all the good books. Maybe the solution is to simply give everybody a broader latitude to be okay. And maybe with a side of some labor rights where you don't have to work a terrible part time jobs. All the time. Instead the solution. We have arrived at is that we will just kind of give lip service to it. And then go right back to because it's sang with diet like we will give lip service to hey, you need to watch. You know, what you eat? And then the other ninety nine percent of the time. You're just being bombarded with junk food commercials and TV shows where the people are all beautiful, but they also are eating terrible diets. And every every message you get every other minute of the day is yes. Yeah. You need to take care of your health. But also, wouldn't it be more fun to do this like which would be much more enjoyable than than sleeping or or working out or doing the things that will keep you alive? I feel I feel like the most potent version of that messaging. I get as watching sports on TV because while they're showing the game. They'll lionize people for having the best conditioning and the hardest training and work. Toward that. And then every commercial break is cheese, burgers and beer, which are great. But it's like if I if I want to be like those heroes. I have to have less of the thing advertised in the breaks, it's very difficult. You right. But see that goes down a whole other path, which is tying this into masculinity. Yes. Because that is that is a man food. That is a cheeseburger like that is what a man orders when he goes to a restaurant it it's a it's a fifteen hundred calorie cheese burger and a beer with three hundred calories in it and four hundred hours worth of fries. And that's if you're a real man, that's how you eat. Granted, you know, those athletes don't eat like that in the ones that do are the ones that that die were in their forty five. Like, you know, these days these guys now have fulltime nutritionists, everything is monitored because they're investing in their bodies, and their they have to like this is not an option, but that's the push and pull because staying up late. That's also a manly thing to do. Do and being up early. You know, just like the farmers of old. That's also, you know, you're. I'm not saying women don't have their own pressures here. And in fact, we've come this far without mentioning having a baby and what having a baby does to your sleep. And how your work will not accommodate that. So you've been up all night with the baby. And guess what? If you call into the office too many days in a row saying I can't come in the baby was up all night. They'll simply fire you because it is not considered a legitimate reason to not be at work and your boss will say something like I have five children. And by God, I worked got up and started my own company because that's where our heroes do. And and it's not saying I need sleep as a biological necessity. And I'm going to ask you to change your plans around my biological necessity. We'll do that with almost anything, but sleep. We would like to thank squarespace for their support of the cracks podcast. But hey, we don't even need to thank them because they're making out great on this whole deal. 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Elsewhere how alcohol is an extremely casual and common thing in society. That I don't think you, and I are trying to like Eliot Ness prohibit and break open all the barrels of, but also no one's kinda recognizing the consequences of it. Well, in that's the worst thing that prohibition did because you can't now talk about it as a public health problem without coming off like you want to outlawed right, but there's a whole range of conversations we can have inbetween. Hey, this is perfectly healthy and everyone who does this should be thrown in prison. You should be able to discuss this. And we have you know in America, endless talk about the opioid crisis. And prior to that about the crack cocaine crisis and the overdoses and on and on nothing compares to what alcohol kills nothing. There is hardly a disease in the world that compares to what Al Kahal the devastation alcohol does worldwide. We've got numbers here. You can go through the are stunning. And it's all completely invisible. Because we cannot talk about Arkansas as a devastating public health crisis without sounding like we are the temperance movement in the. Yeah, the nineteen and the teens who successfully got alcohol band like these people had a bunch of data behind them like. There's a reason that movement kind of swept the world is just that we quickly learned that you can't just make people stop drinking by law but good God. We should be talking about this more. Because the the statistics are incredible. And that movement that temperance movement like it's so long ago. A it's hard to remember the name of it and be in my mind. It's it's black and white pictures. It's not as not even in color, you know, at its people in big funny dresses and outfits carrying signs around like nineteen twenties city. And maybe that's kind of the last time. We tried to slow down alcohol as a thing. But not only as you say is it like a public health crisis just being thing. It's also particularly bad the last few years. We've got a thing here where they did two surveys one in two thousand one and two and the other end twenty twelve thirteen at studied tens of thousands of Americans and found that there was an eleven percent, right. In people who'd had a drink in the last twelve months, a thirty percent rise in high risk drinking and overall just rates of alcoholism in the United States have shot up almost fifty percent in just eleven years later, we've had alcohol for a long time. But particularly lately, it's been an acute issue. Yeah. And it is much much more serious than the opioid crisis. Much more serious than heroin the number of people who are affected by the number of people who die because again, you've got a lot of it is, you know, car accidents that sort of thing. This is an epidemic that no one's completely. Sure. Why suddenly it is skyrocketing? I know that it has hit women very hard. I know that wind consumption has exploded. But for whatever reason due to just it may be, you know, going back to the financial crisis in two thousand and eight just rise in general anxiety levels. Because this is something we've done previous podcasts on suicide rates are going up, depression, anxiety, these things increasing people are self medicating with alcohol, but with the CDC has mentioned like excessive alcohol use kills about ninety thousand people a year, or at least in the last years, we have data for and in just the United States. I think yeah. Excessive drinking is responsible for about one in ten debts. Among adults worldwide at kills about three million people. Here. Yeah per year. If there was a new disease that came on the scene like some like Ebola or something that killed half that many people the killed one point five million people that killed fifty thousand people in the United States. We would be freaking out, and I know this because I'm old enough to remember the aids crisis in the eighties nineties, when this was all we talked about when they were sure that the aids that you know, HIV would be an apocalypse that was spreading so fast that it was actually going to just sweep through the world like wildfire, and they were desperate to find a cure and aids did never kill the tiny fraction of this number. But because it's so hall, and because everyone drinks a little bit. And because we saw the disaster was prohibition. Like, no one seems to care like you'll you'll see an article about oh, there's an increase in alcohol is alcohol wisdom, and you know, and there's. We it's become worse in like poorer areas of the country. And it's like, yeah. That's that's too bad. But I don't see anyone talking about like fundamentally changing the way we think about alcohol or fundamentally trying to discourage people from drinking the way we did do with smoking cigarettes. You know, we've got the rates of smoking all the way down to like fifteen percent of people smoke. But yeah, that's a big change terms of. Yeah. Like, we successfully started like kind of shaming people forward and saying, hey, that's really bad for you. The thought of doing that with alcohol is unthinkable. It like we bluff alcohol like like culturally. We're so dedicated to it, and it is so fundamental to how we celebrate. How we relax how we do everything that it's it's so entrenched that to me it's weird because I'm. Non drinker. I always have been end de sheer enthusiasm people have for alcohol. It was almost always seemed almost religious to me. Yes. Especially I I was reading something about small towns in the US and ways they're trying to like grow or come back if they're down and one of the primary ones is that anyone can start a brewery at anyone can just put that together. And anywhere. I've lived people are always seemingly most excited about somebody opened a brewery or a beer garden, or you know, finally, we have a thing to do in this city, and there's all kinds of things to be doing. We don't have to build it around beer, which I very much enjoy like, I'm not I'm not I'm not telling people to stop because I I don't think I will. But I I do try to be careful about it. And and I think in general, we don't consider the impact of that will right. And I'm I'm sure it's all not gonna give up caffeine like, yeah. Because we can't talk about it without coming off. Like, we're trying to kill. Everyone's fun. You can't mention something. Like the fact that wind consumption has gone up sixty percent. Plus over just saw as twenty years, this, you know, you can go in a grocery store now, and they have shelves after shelves of of wine and cheap wine in a lot of that women. And if you go to a store, the sells clothing for women, you will see entire racks of t shirts and close talking about how much they love to drink wine like it's Wein o clock, and I might children, but I love wine more. And it's this weird cultural thing that you can't complain about it without sounding like you're just being a spoilsport or immoral Skuld because it's wine. It's fun who doesn't love wine. And meanwhile, you're seeing like life expectancy of women declining due to liver problems and all sorts of. Insularity side effects from alcoholism like it is illegitimate epidemic. It's like oh. So you want to ban the wine. I want culturally for people to realize this is a problem. It's a health issue. It's we've also got stuff here about the economic issue. The CDC says that the economic costs of excessive alcohol consumption in twenty ten were estimated at two hundred forty nine billion dollars in the US which comes out to two dollars five cents per drink. People had there's university study from Thailand that says alcohol may be draining more than half a trillion dollars from the global economy every year due to a range of effects, it has on people. And whether you want to be worried about people's health or money or or anything else. It's like, it's such an enormous impact on society. But it's something that we just put on like, you say funny T shirts, you found you found this one where the t shirt just says holy shit. Iheart wine. That's the entire message. That's not even good. They didn't even. Try it just as signifier that. Hey, I drink wine, and we all agree. That wine is good. And after all you can't die from drinking wine. It's an fancy glass. It's not like some guy, you know, drinking from a flask. Good at work. You know, it's wine. It's we're all going to go out after work in all go have wine somewhere, and it's fancy, and it certainly not destroying our bodies and minds in any way. When you brought all this up. I also thought of the today show, or at least the part where at ho- to copy and Kathy Lee Gifford hosting it. And they each just have a massive goblet of line in front of them, and are drinking it, and I believe eleven AM. And again, I don't I don't need to like break a bunch of barrels in one thousand nine hundred as Jacobo. I just think it's weird that we're all like watching them do that in the morning every morning. There's a thing that can happen where sometimes you can go by. A self help book or listen to like a self help video or something. And then they wait till like forty five minutes into it to say and the only cure is of our savior Jesus. Due to the podcast. This was not a stealth thing where we were trying to slip into like what you need is prayer. For instance, where everyone thinks wine is adorable. If the host of the today show were to openly drop some acid while doing the show. That would actually make headlines if they were to do mushrooms, that's more like something like an edgy. Vice segment would do versus these people. This thing that your mother and grandmother watch right? It would be objectively less harmful to do the shrooms scientifically right there are severe mental health effects that come from doing marijuana for too early. Like, this is why you should four eight seventeen eighteen do you like it can have severe on developing brain. It can be very hard on you alcohol. We've just talked about X devastating mushrooms. They can find no evidence that there's any negative effects LSD same thing. They can't find any evidences. There's long-term. Like, I it's like anything else. There are certain individuals who may be sensitive to it. But in terms of on the range of drugs, you could catch someone doing that's about the best ones. Like intern. Of long-term effects on your on your body. Yeah. We're drawing on a range of things here. There's a Norwegian university study in the journal of psychopharmacology that found if anything correlation between using psychedelic drugs and a decreased risk for mental health problems. They found no solid evidence of negative effects. They just kind of said there might be some we missed and then as far as mushrooms go the global drug survey in two thousand seventeen which had almost one hundred twenty thousand participants in fifty countries found that mushrooms are pretty much safe as long as you don't like pick poison mushroom in the woods. And then they found that there really only particularly dangerous if you put yourself in an unfamiliar situation, or if you mix them with a drug called alcohol again, I don't need everyone to go take psychedelic drugs. I don't care for you to do that. But it seems to be oddly something that maybe should have less stigma than the things we're putting on t shirts and drinking on the today show. Right. And that's all. That's the only point is that as a culture, we assign stigma to all the wrong things, and we cheerlead all the wrong things I in. So there's things that we would shame someone for that. Actually are very healthy. You know, it's like taking if you took mushrooms and then slept for nine hours. No one thinks that's admirable. But but if you sleep for three hours work, a twelve hour shift and then get drunk with the boys after work. That's a hard charging man's, man. Right. When reality it's like, no that that second person is slowly killing himself. But in almost all of these cases, whether we're talking about acid around hall or briefly mentioned marijuana. It's all people self medicating something in every single one of these cases yourself medicating without having education in dosage and frequency and how it interacts with the other. Things you're taking if you're taking in antibiotic does that interact with alcohol or with caffeine or you've got this. Cocktail of various things you're putting into your body that you don't necessarily know the effect because if you ingest something it takes a while for us to take affect so it's not like you can just it's not like Philly enough a glass with water where he can just put enough in there. It's like, okay, I'm I'm full now. I have enough I have THC in my system now because that's the same thing. Like people who are really pro. We'd will quote study. After study saying, hey, this lab found that in certain amounts, you know, THC can reduce anxiety as well. Okay. In other amounts as seems to increasing Zayed's, and there's interactions with alcohol and other things you're taking at the same time, and it has to do with your body, weight and your diet and. Everyone reacts a little bit differently because every brain is different. If you're making the case that this active ingredient is medicine, and that you need to treat your whatever some people use it to loop back some people use it to treat insomnia saying that it helps them sleep. We have no idea if that actually works it. But even if it does what dosage helps you sleep. When should you do it? How much how much are you getting a joint? Do you know, do you know, how much you need it? And if you say, well, I've been smoking for years. I have a good sense of how much I can do. Well, okay. That's fine. But you your body changes over time your habits change all of these things you're doing to try to regulate your moods into try to regulate how you feel in almost every case. There would be a better way to do it. For instance, if you were drinking because it's like, well, I'm nervous at parties and drinking Dole's might. L elorza. My ambitions, and I can talk to people which I think is the vast. The biggest reason people do drink is like just lets me get out of myself. And I kind of it calms me down, and then we can have fun. Well in a perfect world. You would find out what in your personality prevents you from doing that normally and take it on like, you would find out why you had these inhibitions would find out why you're so uncomfortable talking to strangers or whatever and work on it. So that you don't need like a the supplement to help you do it. And maybe again, I guess that's unrealistic. But my point is that we self medicate in so many ways and have so little information about side effects. So when the side effects hit you people don't connect it to the other things they're doing for example, people will not connect their anxiety to their lack of sleep. Yeah. They think they're anxiety is just due to their their life circumstances. Like, well, you have your also only sleeping five hours a night. And we know for a fact that that too little sleep plus caffeine to correct that raises your anxiety levels big because you don't have like a health coach walking you through these things, and you don't go to the doctor because you don't have health insurance until you're almost dead. You don't have anyone to say. Okay. Give me the total package of what you eat and drink in a day. And let's be honest. Most of us will not go to our doctor and say I smoked marijuana twice a week talk to me about that. Because they're fade the doctor's just going to scold them like well, you shouldn't be doing. It's that's against the law in this state, and it's bad for you. You shouldn't do that. But to have doctoral say, okay, how much are you getting water side at what are you? Treat with this. What are the side effects? You see? Here's my advice. Like, I think you should try edibles. Instead like, I don't know if that cool doctor is out there. I'm also imagining the patient like admits they smoke the doctor's like Sherman, I do too. And then the patient judges, the doctor, you know, because this is like, oh, this probably isn't a good doctor higher by now. So that's the point. We're trying to get at with. This this episode is that the messaging you get about how you should be many many junior health comes almost universally from people who are talking out of their ass. You not there is so much bad information out there and so much snake oil where someone is happy to say. Well, this herbal supplement will help you sleep therefore because you're taking this. You don't need to do anything else or you can go to the doctor and get sleeping pills. And it may be that you're taking sleeping pills to counteract caffeine likes to counteract sleeplessness that you inflicted on yourself. So you have a whole world is trying to like force you to live in a very unhealthy way. And it is extremely difficult to get good clear advice. Because. We all have unhealthy things. We're not going to give up. That's the thing is advice. That is too. Strict is also useless. It's like, well, you should sleep nine hours a night. And then only eat vegetables during the day, you need someone to be able to say, okay. Here's what modern life looks like. And here's the stuff that seems harmless, but is killing you. And then here's the stuff that you're scared of that is actually pretty harmless as seems like it's key to find the right information to support that. Because also I feel like as as people look at how we can solve these things for ourselves or other people if you like it's good news that there's there's more than one way to go about it. For one thing we can like legislate support for things like when we were talking about you can't call out of work sick because you didn't sleep because your baby we could be legislating more support for working parents, you know, those kinds of things we can put money toward fixing. But also there's the solution of. Trying to just get yourself. Better information or cut yourself some slack or or put yourself in a generally better mindset about how this stuff works for you. Like, you mentioned earlier, we aren't going to go all the way to the end of this. And then say and the solution is prayer or or and the solution is like militant libertarianism that's kind of sexist like certain corners of the internet. It's just just work on yourself. And try to find advice from people who aren't trying to sell you an ideology or or some kind of weird herbal supplement or something. Yeah. Because there is generally data out there yet like whatever you want to try like if you are getting into meditation or something like that there's data out there about how well it works or doesn't work about when you should do it. Same thing with for something like yoga they've studied it, you know, they can tell you like, you know, someone of your age or whatever health issues you have. Like would this be good for you? Does it end? Studies. Does it seem to make a difference? And then there's a whole wonderful world of placebos out there that. That people will be happy to sell you. And guess what some of them work? Really well because a lot of times if you take something that you think is going to help you sleep that will because demand is weird. And and it's all you your brain needed permission to shut down by taking something that was a sleep supplement or whatever. The generally there's not really a reason to remain ignorant about things there's things we don't want to know. We don't want to hear. That our favorite thing is terrible for us. But generally, whatever problem, you're having you can usually find out like well is it a combination of what I'm eating or what I'm because we could. I mean, good guide if we got into stuff with diet like the effect sugar has on your system, and has on your heart and has on your brain and has on all sorts of things and house on how you feel during the day. And how what you eat the effect. It has on. How sluggish you feel or whatever you could do an entire series on that you could do a weekly show on just the stuff you're eating than how it screws you up. But again people also eat to self medicate. I know I do. I'm feeling a certain way. Yeah. There's that's what I want junk food is because I've had a bad day. I do not have any information in my brain of like, okay. Well, how many grams of fat do I need to improve my mood right now. How many French fries will will make this bed day go away? I just kind of keep eating them until they're gone. Well, also, I mean, we do have some stuff about people's diets. And you found a number of things that would maybe just be surprising like for instance, that they've done. Studies of GMO's for one thing that people are very concerned about they've been site exhaustively for decades. People can't really find anything wrong with eating genetically modified food. And then also in terms of the amounts. We eat there were there are laws in some places that put calorie counts on the menu twenty fourteen NYU study found that that doesn't really change people's purchasing habits or eating habits. Also, a study in the journal physiology and behavior in two thousand sixteen found that. Portion sizes don't really impact obesity rates places. Like, there are a lot of just sort of perceived wisdoms about how we approach eating that. Are maybe not true. Yes. Everything we think we know about diet is wrong. You pick out that in particular with the obesity epidemic. It only goes back to about nineteen eighty in the US like some of these food issues like that are relatively new and then as far as the broader impacts of some of the particularly powerfully engineered snack foods, we have and things I feel like a lot of the food stuff is newer than people would think just because we've had food in general forever. And we also get lured into thinking that it's always been like this like that's part of it is especially for young people listening a lot of this isn't normal. A lot of a lot of what you see going around you the amount of of wine that your mother drinks that wasn't true just forty years ago. It wasn't true in the course of my lifetime. Like my birth predates the obesity epidemic. Like, this wasn't a thing that happened until later in in my life, like people have always dieted, people voice worried about or in the modern era when then people are considered sexy. Like, that's always been a thing. Been in terms of what they're talking about today where it's an epidemic where diabetes is an epidemic. That's recent. And while alcohol has been around for as long as civilization what we're talking about is an epidemic. And while I'm sure there have always been tired people who had to get up earlier than they wanted to do work the modern sleep deprivation crisis. That's new that's an epidemic. It's a new thing in most of all we've discussed. Day. These are changes in the culture, which means that they're not in notable. They're not baked into the Uman, biology or human society there due to changes that have occurred very recently. Yeah. Even when we compared that waking up early sleep cycle to farmers like as I understand it, the farmers still rested. Like, they they did the actual thing that Ben Franklin described where they woke early but also went to bed early and got a decent amount of sleep. There was nothing to do late at night. They as whites it was dark, and there was no television. And so you're just sitting there on a quiet room staring at your family and then. Yeah. And you're also you're exhausted. Because you've been freaking work on a farm all day. Yeah. You would you at dinner, and then you would go to bed and the schedule centuries ago people used to sleep in like two stretches they would sleep for like four hours and wake up for like two hours. By get a snack or something they'd go back to sleep based we consider normal. You know, everything about the scheduled the way the grownups told you when you were a kid. This is the way we have to do it. Because this is how good hardworking people do it. Mostly. Yeah. Again, they just pull that out of their ass. They they did it because someone else told them they had to do it. But these are things like the resistance to starting school later legitimately makes me angry because there is a lot of data like kids lives are saved. If you let them sleep a little bit more their mental health is better. But there's this obstinate thing where it's like. Well, no, this is not the way we do it. This is you know, why should they get to sleep in ice? Certainly didn't get to. It's like, it's the same reason. You're you're gonna keep like mushrooms illegal or a hallucinogenic mushrooms or anything like that? 'cause it was like, well, that's what the scary hippies do, and it makes you all weird. And it's like, okay, an alcohol makes you beat the crap out of your family. I would prefer somebody sit around and trip the trip out than do what your. Doing that you consider normal and good and fun that, you know, lead your grandfather to die in his fifties because his liver exploded and burst into flame. It's like we've got the perfect stew of old bad habits in new bad habits that we can't introduce new good habits. Like like, why why why can't why weight isn't there like a new modern movement against wine? Why aren't there people out there saying, hey, this is the spat for you this going to make you feel worse? No long-term. Yeah. I feel like if there is any pressure going on. It's that kind of old saw of millennials are lazy and ruining specific things, which which if anything is just this intergenerational hazing because in particular millennials are mostly a working, very hard. Be a lot of the work may feel futile because it's like constant searching for a job or constant searching for some way forward after. College. And then also they're they're facing at least a perceived situation where they have less of a social safety net and societal structure to be there for them in their in their later years. So there's like a lot of pressures on them already that they are working very hard to deal with. But they're just told you're not working hard enough. And then they sleep less self medicate, more and all these other things it's like the concept of moderation is what we can't tolerate like moderating. Anything a moderating the amount of work. You're doing moderating saying to someone who smokes marijuana like maybe you don't quit, but maybe cut down a little bit. Like like, maybe wine is not sinful. Maybe think about like which days, you're drinking or you regulate too. Like a specific time of day. It's like, that's the one thing. No one ever wants to hear. And that's why everyone immediately jumps to prohibition like. Oh, you want to make it illegal? You wanna put us in jail for smoking this or you wanna do like, I don't want to do anything like that. I want people to think in terms of what makes you feel good, right? This very moment is gonna make you feel like crap tomorrow. And then because you feel like crap tomorrow, you're going to self medicate with something that makes you feel good in the moment. And it shouldn't come across as we're like a moral Listrik scold like wagging your finger at somebody like drinking too much or you're smoking too much of the refer. It's like man, this is about how you feel like this is about this isn't about trying to obey my rules. This isn't about trying to obey the preachers rules. It's about how you feel long-term not right now. But how it's gonna make you feel tomorrow in this culture and capitalism in the system like constantly trying to sell you on the stuff that. Feels good in the moment or taste good in the moment. It's not about being morally wrong. It's about the fact that there's a reason why you feel like crap all the time. There's a reason why everyone you know is anxious. Why everyone you know is depressed. Why everyone, you know, says they feel like crap, and it's not necessarily that the world has gotten worse. It's that the world has changed in a way that it makes it extremely difficult to be healthy that phrase like a feel like crap that we've used like why you feel like crap I feel like as we look at that phrase. It's a pretty good indicator in its way of of how working out while you're feeling this way, it may be complex, and you should give yourself some time to figure it out. Because even the way we describe it as feel like crap is very an exact like, it's it's a similarly related to feces, and it's not like this kind of thing can be hard to diagnose, an exactly workout. So so give yourself some time and. And some low pressure to to figure it out because it's it's a very vague feeling for a lot of people who have in. And it's something you can explore. It's also something where having to monitor it people since like that will just add to their anxiety because you giving them something else to worry about like the whole deal is with I mentioned the comfort food earlier and not like counting. How many calories I was eating to get over my bad day. Their whole deal is like that's why I'm doing it. I don't want to have to count the calories that right? That's the release is in that moment. I don't wanna have to worry about it. And that's that's very reasonable. But you have to understand your anxiety over having to think about it. That's a measurable biological scientific thing there's a cognitive load that your brain is trying to handle and you have things in your life. That is struggling to keep up with. The fact that you feel like you don't have any brain energy left to dedicate to carefully planning a diet or to holding yourself to a sleep schedule. Because you, you know, the whole deal is I, you know, my evenings are that's by time to myself. I don't wanna have to make myself good about it at ten thirty. I I just want to relax and play a game or something. You have to understand those are habits. That are also something you are biologically responding to your fear of having to think about these things is one of the symptoms. Yeah. Because your brain so tied up with all of these other things. And so for example, we've done pre previous episodes on social media and on Twitter and about Hello things. Raise your anxiety because you're reading obsessively you're trying to follow a bunch of emotionally draining stories. You're trying to hop from subject to subject to subject as you. Reading things a lot of it is upsetting. The fact that that adds to your feeling of exhaustion later is something most people don't think of because they don't they don't sense that your devoting a cognitive load to managing the social media stuff either posting on it staying on top of it just reading it. Just reading a bunch of trivia all day. You've still ask your brain to process all that information. So then the feeling of mental exhaustion, you feel when someone says, hey, you need to think about blank, you ended up think about your finances unit to think about your retirement, the grown that you let out when someone asks you to think about something that you don't want to think about and the way your brain just rebels. Like, no, I am out of attention today. I can't worry about this. That's one of the symptoms because you have exhausted that attention on other things. Not it's not your fault. This society bombard you with things all day long. But it elevates your anxiety and end anxiety is a measurable thing. It's a result of certain hormones cortisol and adrenaline in your bloodstream. It's not an ailment of the soul. It's not a spiritual thing it is a measurable biological response to things that are going on around you, everything you do everything you read everything you're doing on your phone at all ex it. So if feel the what we're saying feeling like crap if you feel like you're exhausted all the time it or if you feel like you're anxious all the time or both which is what a lot of people. Have you know, these days, we have a habit of self diagnosing? We have a habit of just telling someone weird depressed with telling someone weavings. Even though we've never had a doctor tell us that. Because what we really mean is I'm exhausted. And it hurts to think about things like I can't I can't make myself. I can't work up any energy to do the things. I know I need to do there usually physical reasons for that. That can be addressed the can be changed and not even necessarily with medication like a lot of the intervention people need, isn't that severe. But just getting enough sleep if you are chronically sleep deprived. And it's something changes with your schedule where you're suddenly getting enough sleep on a regular schedule. You will feel like a different human being for the most part like there. There are trade-offs that you can make if you knew what they would do for you. I think you would already have done it. But I think most people don't realize why they feel the way they feel. Yeah. And also because we don't wanna do that double messaging thing if you can't make that change immediately or right away. It's okay, man. Like, yeah. It takes time and a little planning and energy. It's cool. Yeah. I guess my my big takeaway the conclusion would be don't let yourself get pushed into unhealthy habits. Like, look, I get it. Somebody who's working their way through school there in class. They're doing homework. They're doing a part time job. Like, I get it. That's going to be asleep deprived, schedule and society is not going to adjust to you. But there are places in the margins where you can practice self care that isn't necessarily a new AG thing about going to a spa or whatever people mean when they say that it where it can just be saying, no, look, I'm telling you I need to sleep instead of doing the thing you want me to do like, I'm I'm going to intentionally make a choice. Here because I recognize that I need it. The pressure is usually all in the other in the opposite direction and people who do not drink alcohol, depending on who your friends are depending on your social circle you may be under tremendous pressure to drink not because they're going to like try to pour down your throat. But because you'll feel like you're not being as much fun as you should be. Or you feel like the everyone will tell you how much more fun. You are when you train you don't have to succumb to that. If you're not comfortable with it. You can you can instead say well, all right? Why how am I different when I drink a, you know, I talk more. Okay. Why don't I do that when I'm sober and and attack from that direction rather than feeling like I'm ruining the party, unless I train there's a there's a time when you can push back on habits that you know, deep down are not good for you. Even if. And this is crucial. Even if other people seem to be doing fine doing the same thing because there will always be that person who insists they can get drunk the night before just get up at five the next morning and go do their their job as as president of the United States, and you will feel like if you can't do that. Then that miss me. And you're not as strong as they are. You're not as cool as they are. And that is not the case do not envy the person who is only who's able to get by on four hours of sleep a night. They're different. They their body is different or they're lying as we suspect. Some of our presidents have been liars. In America, people who the people who can drink and never get addicted to it. The people who smoke weed and never it never gets interferes with their life. That may not be you. And because you can't handle the stuff they can handle it doesn't mean that you're week. It's not doing your you weren't tough enough to hold your liquor like this bad ass. Could everyone is different everyone has different needs. And the people who are able to do the seemingly unhealthy things and get by with it. The thin person who seems to eat a terrible diet. They're making it up. Elsewhere somehow that you don't have to hold yourself to some standard the society, hold you to if you have to like look for a different job because the one you've got just doesn't let you have normal sleep schedule like being able to sleep and having a healthy body and not feeling like crap everyday that is a form of. Of wealth on its own. And again, that's something that we just don't if you ever told your parents, why quit this job because I wanted to sleep. Instead most time they will not they will not see that as an admirable thing. But that's part of what is the I would say the sickness of this culture because it is a sickness if you in twenty nineteen you have a series of cultural values that say stay up all night work all day drink or do some sort of drug in your spare time that that's a cool person. Does that's a lie that is that is a destructive lie that you've been told? And it's okay to rebel against that. Even if rebellion comes in the form of going to bed at eight PM like that is in this world that is the most rebellious thing you can do. And it's such a comfy rebellion eleven. That's the episode for this week. My thanks to Jason Persian for digging. So deep on so many things our bodies do true digging. We have the receipts in our food Newt's where you will find Jason's epoch two-part column on health myths and mistakes that we all make casualty that were often lead to make those columns and the additional footnotes are packed with tons of citations of studies there things you may not have known about from the most reputable possible sources, we could find I think very few writers on the internet are putting Jason's level of elbow. Grease into examining this kind of stuff. He's like he's like an anti goop. You know what I mean? Like like like if there was a an opposite of Gwyneth like in a mirror universe. It's him. And it's great also an extra footnote in there that I just like because we were talking about kind of cognitive load at one point later in the show of just keeping up with all of these stimulus and input from the entire world. And this is a fake editorial from the. Website click hole that I just love the title of it is I am the new person you have to know about now. And it was written in two thousand fifteen by a fake version of Meghan Trainor who is a musician. You've probably heard of I don't have anything against her. But at especially that year when when her first song came out, it was a very very perfect encapsulation of NUP. The world says you need to know a whole bunch of things about a person again. Here we go. It's one of my favorite jokes about this native load. We all deal with and I find that jokes make it easier to think about and feel about. So there you go enjoy what else is in the footnotes. Well, as I speak to you. I am fresh off a delightful live episode of this podcast in Los Angeles. It'll come your way in the next few weeks. We had the best time my many, thanks to Dan, hopper. Caitlyn Gill Amy Nicholson and Danielle Radford for making that time. And hey, if you would like alive podcast in your other city, besides Los Angeles. Guess what? Chicago guess what Saint Paul Minnesota and basically Minneapolis because that's how the twin city. Work. We are coming there. April eleventh, Chicago's Lincoln hall. We will have a show with guests Sarah, Sherman, Miodrag Moskva and Jane daily, then we are in Saint Paul Minnesota at Amsterdam bar in Holland April twelfth with guests, John mo- khloe Radcliffe, and Elaine Tyler may links to tickets to those shows are in the footnotes, please join me in your lovely midwestern cities that I can't wait to being you know, what else? Please join me and listening very soon to Chicago falcon by the Budo spans because it is. This show's theme music, aren't they great? They are also this episode was engineered by Devon Bryant. And edited by Chris Sousa, if you love this episode. That's great. If you hate it. Let me know about it on social media. That's right. Social media. A thing you can titrate out into manageable doses. Don't let Twitter just like wash over you like a wave. You know? 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Floods, Carp, And Crap: The Environmental Impacts Of The Chicago River Reversal

Curious City

13:56 min | 1 year ago

Floods, Carp, And Crap: The Environmental Impacts Of The Chicago River Reversal

"It's curious city where we take your questions about Chicago in the region and investigate for explore from WBZ not long after one thousand nine hundred farmers up and down. The Illinois River began to notice something. Troubling there are once fertile land was growing soggy. The river was spilling over its banks across their fields. Sometimes they couldn't plant their crops at all when they could they were far or less productive. These central Illinois farmers blamed Chicago specifically the reversal of the Chicago River. Nearly three hundred landowners exclaimed the dirty water now flowing downstream and into the Illinois River was drowning their crops and threatening their way of life in Eureka Illinois about one hundred miles south west of Chicago. Three Sisters Clara Emily. Amadora Hunter sued the Sanitary District of Chicago for forty thousand dollars. Clara took the stand and she described one flooded field as a quote frog ranch. Tell the jury what grows on the remainder of this one hundred sixty acres but brush flags water weeds cattails. I don't know the names of the grasses sawgrass I suppose swamp vegetation in general swamp vegetation. Yes have you noticed any drift of any kind I have. I've seen great logs that have laid there until they seem to have rotted rails pieces of boat fish votes votes timbers. Weeds fishnets brush from the river. All the hundred sisters trial dragged on for thirty four days in the end they walked away with a six thousand dollars. Hardly what they asked for but a small win and yet what swamp so. Many farmers downstream brought prosperity. Verity to Chicago today. The Blue Green water of Lake Michigan winds its way through a canyon of glass and steel. The Chicago River is one of the most visited landmarks in the city. Eighty and Eric settlement of Glen Ellyn marvels of that river. When he comes down on the weekends I caught up with Eric on the river walk? He said he's always wondered about the rivers reversal purcell in its impact. I never really heard of rivers changing direction the environmental effects that would have how that would affect the new downstream whichever that would be so it inspired him to approach curious city with the question. What was the environmental cost of reversing the direction of the Chicago River? So off I went looking for answers and it turns out the hunter sisters problems were just one of many consequences of reversing. The Chicago River it affected and continues to affect the Great Lakes the Mississippi tippy river and even the Gulf of Mexico to understand all this. Let's start with the basics. You know everything with the river in some way or another goes back back to poop in the water. What poop in the water? That's Josh Mogam. And I'm the national media director at the Natural Resources Defense Council or an RDC. Casey before white settlement. The Chicago River was wildly different. The river was shallow and snake through a marshy borderland between prairie and forest before finally only reaching the lake. Chicago's location helped it. Boom as a commercial hub but amidst all that growth. The city's river began to look look and smell more like a massive gutter. We literally lifted Chicago out of the swamp and we built sewers and directed him straight to the river. That's Margaret Frisbee. She's executive executive director of the friends of the Chicago River. She says it's difficult to imagine. Just how polluted the river had become by the late eighteen hundreds. Just think about like if all your sewage join your waste all the carcasses we were using horses and they were pooping in the streets and that was ending up in the river and chickens and you just really was like this kind of me as Mwale swamp mess and of course at that time. The river flowed out into Lake Michigan which was the source of our drinking water. It was making Chicago and sick in eighteen. Eighty five that drinking drinking water got particularly nasty after a violent storm. Belched a huge plume of sewage into the lake it inspired civic leaders to propose a radical solution reversing facing the river and sitting are the other way so how does one reverse a river. Well just south west of Chicago. There's a geographic high point. It's like a Ridge Bridge on one side. All the water drains toward the Mississippi River on the other side water drains toward the lake engineers. Figured if they could dig a canal from the Chicago Ugh Oh river down through that ridge into the displays river and gravity pull the water westward and towards the Mississippi Directing our poop away from the lake and the point of the canal was twofold. Not only would it fix Chicago sewage problem it would also connect Chicago with markets downstate and beyond and it worked in one local newspaper at the time called it. Quote the greatest engineering enterprise in world. History Lanyon is the former executive director under the Metropolitan Water Reclamation district of Greater Chicago. It's what we call the sanitary district today. He says the results here in the city were immediate an unmistakable. Suddenly the Chicago River became clean Didn't smell anymore. It was like a miracle occurred here but downstream the effects were far far less refreshing. The time and I mean about ten years it took for the sewage solids to move. downriver began to destroy the ecology as Illinois River which brings us back to Eric's original question about the environmental costs remember the hunter sisters. The influx of water from Lake Michigan and Chicago sewage nearly doubled the size of the Illinois River. It eroded its banks and swallowed farmland like there's up and down the Illinois Valley but farmers mors in central Illinois and weren't the only ones who bore the brunt of Chicago sanitary solution because the water didn't stop there it flowed into the Mississippi and beyond here again Josh Josh motormen with the NRDC if you think about what we manage to do with that reversal the Gulf of Mexico became our toilet in one thousand nine hundred Missouri filed suit against the sanitary district. On behalf of Saint Louis arguing the reversal would pollute the Mississippi River. The source of its own drinking water moghreb agrements says it's easy to understand their complaint if you're in Chicago booming city one of the fastest growing cities on the planet It makes tons of sense. If you're in Peoria or you're in Saint Louis Man it looks like a really bad idea. A wave of POO coming down from this giant metropolis. It's something to be less enthusiastic about. The case was eventually dismissed. It didn't help that Saint Louis in its own waste downstream then around nineteen twenty Chicago and other cities began treating their siege but the technology was primitive and it wasn't until passage of the clean water act in one thousand nine hundred. Seventy two that are rivers really began to recover and environmental groups. Say the work is hardly finished. When heavy rains flood the system it overflows an untreated sewage? Still gets into the river even win. The system works as design are treated wastewater which is pumped into the river contains a lot of phosphorus. Scientists have only recently begun recognized the connection between this fos ferris and the algae blooms causing the dead zone in the Gulf. Here's Joe Schmo Gorman. Essentially you have these algal blooms that suck all the oxygen out of the water and make a state sized area of the Gulf off uninhabitable for Marine Life Some years it's the size of Rhode Island some years. It's the size of Connecticut to be clear. Agriculture is Bhai far the major culprit but Chicago's wastewater which only heads in that direction. Thanks to the reversal is one of the largest single sources of phosphorus pollution in the Gulf according to Lanyon the Mwr de well yeah Duh. Well why is Chicago the biggest source. Well it's the biggest city in the Mississippi River watershed watershed. It's pretty obvious. You know but motormen says the impact of Chicago. Sewage doesn't just harm the Gulf. This isn't something where we make a mess in Chicago and it just comes out. At the other end in the Gulf of Mexico we see Algal blooms in the Illinois river in that displays river The whole way down the MWR D has been steadily working to cut its discharge levels over the past decade and in two thousand seventeen it agreed to a settlement with the host of environmental groups that that will significantly cut his boss for US output by twenty thirty but the problems don't end with phosphorus if Chicago's contribution to the dead zone is news to you. Perhaps you've heard of the Asian carp the invasive fish I escape their containment ponds in Alabama in the early seventies and by the nineties they were eating and breeding their way up the Mississippi the sippy eliminating native species in disrupting ecosystems. They're now just outside of Chicago in many are fearing the worst. Generally the nightmare scenario is the total destruction of the environmental and economic way of life that the Great Lakes provides for the people of the Great Lakes region. That's Joel Brand Meyer. He's the president and CEO of the Alliance for the Great Lakes. He points out the commercial and sport. Fishing are both major industries and parts of the Great Lakes not only do the Asian carp actually undermine undermine the ecology they caused huge economic damage so of course when they eat all the food out of the water and they breathe better than any other fish that totally undermines the native fishery that those tourism economies are depending on keep in mind that in reversing the Chicago River we also connected to of the world's largest freshwater ecosystems uh-huh systems the Great Lakes and the Mississippi Basin creating a pathway. Not just hungry. Asian carp but a host of other invasive species to the Alliance for the Great Lakes and others have actually floated the equally bold idea of blocking the canal and reversing the Chicago River. Basically putting it back the way it used to be the surest way hey to stop critters from moving back and forth between these watersheds is to stop water from moving back and forth. A permanent barrier would stop Asian carp from reaching the lake and prevent the invasive already in the lakes from reaching the Mississippi but re reversing the river would recreate. The problem. Chicago was trying to solve in the first place. What we discharge into the river is still far too polluted to mix with our drinking supply? Here's Dick lanyon again formerly with the Mwr de well. It's very novel idea. Yeah not very practical you know. We changed the basic plumbing here in Chicago and to reverse that would be a Herculean task and one that would cost according to the Army Corps of engineers upwards of eighteen billion dollars. That's billion with a B. in other words does your grand on the other hand if we did it once and as far as Eric's question well reversing. The river definitely had impacts on farmers downstream on the Gulf of Mexico and it could potentially open the door to Asian Carp Harpin the Great Lakes someday soon. Josh motormen says chicagoans admiring the gently flowing. Current today probably aren't thinking about where that water's going. We see. See The river every day. We don't think of it as this engineering marvel. We don't think of this as a wonder of the world but that's what reversing a river river is When when you take a river and you make it flow the other way you've done something? Mind you mental and I think most chicagoans have no idea the impact of This act has had for the city in the past and continues to have moving forward and and we'll be grappling with those impacts For another century century for sure with purpose comes clear Said banning curious city is supported by Conan Family Foundation. I'm Carson Paul growing won't time Hey Jesse Dukes here curious cities audio producer and I WanNa until you about an event. That's coming up that we're really excited about. WBZ is hosting a special podcast passport. Event a November first with Nigel. Poor and Earl Woods Co hosts of the award winning podcast ear hustle from Pierre XS Radio Topa in case. You don't already know the show. It's one of my favorites ear. Hustle brings you the daily realities of life inside prison shared by those living it and stories from the outside post incarceration reset host. jenn white will moderate a conversation between Nigel and earl on at the studebaker studebaker theatre about ear. hustles unique origin story in surprising evolution over four seasons tickets are going fast get yours at WBZ DOT org slash invents next time on curious city in Chicago if your bike is stolen. It's is often gone for good but there are places to look for craigslist facebook or actual flea markets where it helps to play cool until the cops show up. I just like turn Goerner in their wise and I couldn't keep a straight base because I'm not trying to be slink about it like I'm not looking for it was why so many bikes are stolen. And how you might sometimes be able to track down that's next time on. WBZ's curious city

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Synova Cantrel and the Unorganized Gangster

Gangland Wire

30:04 min | 9 months ago

Synova Cantrel and the Unorganized Gangster

"You are listening to gangland wire hosted by former Kansas City. Police Intelligence Unit detective Jerry Jenkins. Welcome while you are tappers out there. Another episode of Gangland. Wire right here in a gangland wire studio we have a friend of ours from the True crime fiction world but maybe not particularly the Mafia drew crime. And it's GonNa be a little bit different story. All this guy does connect back to the Vince Chicago for you outfit. People and we have snow. Will edit this. We have SEDOVA. We have SEDOVA Cantrell on this guy puts will go up on Youtube and and then on the podcast so welcomes an elvis. Really great to have you here. Thank you for having me. Okay so Novatell Tele folks a little bit about you because most of my fans most of most of the we call them wire-tappers most of the wire-tappers out there mainly read nonfiction books about the Mafia. Were there be the five families New Yorker the Kansas City crime family or the outfit Chicago They may not be too familiar with your work. And reason I got onto you know is because you wrote a non fiction book about a guy who grew up in and around Chicago outfit and I saw that not a good fit for for The wire-tappers out there so tell us a little bit about your history here. Well I've been a writer for decades. I started out as a journalist as a freelance journalist and that was published in magazines newspapers. And then I started writing fiction and then I while I was the president of a local writers guild I I was approached by a guy that wanted someone to write his biography and he was an ex gangster from Chicago and nobody wanted to touch him so they sit him up to me and I said okay. I'll meet with you. And he spent four hours at this restaurant telling me these stories and at the time I wasn't into true crime at all I was. You know a complete newbie and very sheltered preacher's kid and I was sitting there trying to keep my poker face on which have never played poker so I don't have a good face but I was trying to act like this wasn't blowing me away so I I just listen to all these stories for four hours and I just kind of leaned back and I said okay so what you got ties to organized crime or what and trying to sound cool you know and not act like this guy was killing me here and he looks at me at. I'm I'm I'm little. I'm I'm sure you know. And this is like a six foot. Three big huge guy. And he he has these steel blue is that just Kinda can give you the creeps and he looks at me and stares at me for a second and in my heart is about to explode as I go crap I say something wrong and he looks down at me and he goes well cyst. If I had been organized I wouldn't have been caught and then he laughed. And so that's that's why. We named the book an organized crime. I honestly his book is what made me rebrand start with true crime. I've got six true crime books now and his biography was recently endorsed by retired. Fbi agent. He says it's one of the few books written that gives the reader an insight to the criminal mind retired and works with new recruits in Quantico. And he said he was going to tell them that it should be required reading. I hope so. I was like book sales really. I know that feeling well. That's that's that's most interesting. You know I. I've been following you for a while. You have a regular blog peace and you're on facebook and have a facebook page and so I've been found in reading your blog pieces and I I like your style of writing in you find some of the stuff you do most interesting particularly when I got into it was you were doing pieces on the dixie. Mafia which always found kind of fascinating. Now that's kind of a in the true laco poster Mafia world. That's a little bit of a misnomer but it sounds good Dixie mafia out there and then on Buford Passer I always thought that story was interesting than in his connections with the dixie Mafia people also Show on the Dixie mafia when these days but a lot of the other crimes you You Report on it right about or like your murders and kidnappings and things like that. Is that correct yes? I write this log on. Mondays is my mobster. Monday's so I write about Italians and non Italians on Mondays and Fridays. Where I put out my coal casework. My Missing Persons Cases Unsolved. Is that sort of thing actually started working as a victims advocate for Missouri missy organization So I that students to make it to where I have a lot of missing person cases to write about but that blog goes out to a potential half a million people each week and I have I'm blessed to say that we have started generating leads and that I can forward to law enforcement and I don't know that I hope that they follow up on them. You know but My job is just to raise publicity about these cases and then let them do their jobs. I know one specific case that I did raise. Raise some tips and it. The guy was arrested within a week after my blog went out I got the call you know. The emotional call from the family member full of gratitude. You know and so that was very fulfilling thing to do with my blog. That is what interesting thing about this platform that we have they can reach out to so many people and their. I get calls and emails from people. Now it's mainly older stuff. That's this long nothing current but I get a lot of tips and put some connections together that I used to work the mafia twenty years ago. And and it's like. Oh so that's how that works so you you know. People are interested in that and and they're feel a little safer reaching out to you that maybe law enforcement and they actually feel like people feel like they kind of know you because they read your writing and followed your career low bitten and I get a little bit of the same thing that would be really gratified to be able to help solve those crimes right right well. I I told people in on the other half of my business I I have to Nova simply Biz. Where I I give writing tips for the business of writing. And that's one thing that I was talking about. Recently if you can find a passion from and Align Your Business you're writing with that passion You can really go far with it. And and that's where my passion is. I get to talk to these mothers and sisters and brothers that their family is missing for twenty years and the media has kind of forgotten about them. So there's this huge gap now on the twentieth anniversary. They may get a write up in the newspaper but from one to twenty. It's forgotten and it's like once that happens the leads kinda dry up sometimes and so. That's really where my passion is. And then the the whole lobster. Monday started out from me trying to help a victim's family member they needed me to. I got asked to be part of this kind of not an official of course but it was this little task force that was getting together trying to raise awareness about the dixie mafia because a lady has been fighting for justice for fifty one years. Now the case has been put together and it's on the FBI's desk. I'm sure they had heard of the case before. But this was actually a formal submission and they had the interviews with the victim's family and and so hopefully this time it will go over but that's kind of how the whole mobster Monday things started was for that case interesting young and I've worked with the FBI lot in my past and and if you can get him to open a case and what you did what you what you're describing to me. Is You actually got him to open a case? They may have known about it but they didn't what they call open case and so if they interviewed people like that they opened the cage which is huge. Once they opened the case why Then their resources are going into it and something will probably happen. I hope so you ever heard of the baby. Lisa case appear in Kansas City. The little baby that disappeared the parents. The mother woke up at night and set. Her baby was gone. The husband is off at work. There's a true crime. Podcast up here called generation y. And they've asked me to come on their podcast. Kinda give the the police view of that Missing Persons Cases was a strange one. It was it was a heck of a story. You Might WanNa take a look at that someday. Baby Lisa let's Let's talk about your book What drew my attention an organized crime. That's what that's what these wire-tappers want to hear about. They want they lack organized crime but they don't mind here about an crime. I got a feeling you had the. The man's name is Sydney heard in east from Chicago. And so that that was a you met with. You started in this business now. It sounds like he's kind of character. Oh my gosh I honestly. I was working on this book. It took me several years because I went all the way to the Supreme Court archives to prove his story. Because it's so fantastic and he's of an age I know. I hope that I outlive him. And I'm like I need proof because someone is gonNA say she made this up and I want to be able to prove it but I was in the middle of this when the movie. Catch me if you can came out so I went to read frank adding gale's biography and I got bored. I literally made myself finished his book because to me. His story is boring. Compared to what Sydney did Sydney's got fifty years of chaos. And he his one thing was. He didn't specialize in one thing. He got his hands in everything short of murder. That was the that was the main thing that kept him out of being a made man that in his father wasn't Italian he was related to made man but he was not Italian and so he but his story is fifty years worth of a criminal career and frank adding Gaels was ten and Frank Abigail basically just did the same thing over and over again and just got better and more proficient. Sydney did everything. The CON. Man Games. the flat foot Hustle in Chicago. The you know all these things he did something and then he ended up migrating down to Amarillo because his little Glen Ellyn in all those areas got a little too hot for him and so he migrated To Amarillo and became the amarillo arsonist. Twenty two years fires just popped up and he got paid and they when it came time for it. I mean because none of these things last forever. You're going to get caught. You'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA face justice eventually. And when he finally did they use those twenty two fires as a bargaining chip because they couldn't come up with enough evidence to actually To get him on those they we know you did it. But we can't prove it but we will drop if you will turn states evidence. And that's what he ended up doing but he was raised in Chicago in Glen ellyn He. He was raised around Flint Allen in northlake and he was. I don't know if any of your listeners know the Wheaton County jail he was the first one to be enlisted in that building and he was also the first one to escape from that building as a teenager. So the book starts out with in the middle of his escape from county jail. He lives on the run for a while and he ends up. You know hitchhiking all over the place. He meets all kinds of crazy characters in the process. But he's actually on the run for over a year before he's caught under an alias. He had kind of aligned himself with this teenage group and come to find out. They had stolen the car that they were writing around it. Well he didn't know this he said if he had known he would have stepped foot near the people because he was he had a rap sheet. These will just petty teenagers doing something stupid or when they got him down into a Florida Princeton he was in Raeford. He got down there in a time. Where the south hated the north and he was a Yankee. They hated him and he was told. You know they put him in there and they didn't know who he was because it was under an alias. He had stolen some ide- so it took him a few days back before the Internet. I think it took him quite a while to figure out who he really was because they had to send out but when they figured out who he was they immediately. Put Him on lockdown. I mean they're like holy cow. We gotta keep this guy and that's the kind of He had shoot to kill orders on his head when he was seventeen. I mean when he escaped from Wheaton he was always one of those that was very manipulative and he necessarily wouldn't shoot you. He would beat you half to death but he didn't really want to shoot you. There is something in his Catholic upbringing. He said I know most a lot of Italians are Catholic but there was just something in I sandy school days. I couldn't kill somebody like I would never admitted that till I retired. He said but you know he would get other people to do things for him and so he picked guy that he thought was crazy enough to take out the police if they got into a gun battle will that kid was actually younger than him but because he chose that guy he ended up having shoot to kill orders on him at seventeen because the guy he was with was terribly dangerous. But anyways that's just the way the book starts it goes on for fifty years. He ends up accommodates in him. Counterfeiting Gold Cougar Rans from Africa. This is tell tell us. Let's go into that story here. That's one thing that really drew my attention. Now this guy you know. He grew up around Bob guys in Chicago kind of traveling criminal to and it got down to our Murillo Amarillo Texas. He's an arsonist. So everybody in the underworld knows Sydney her. That's how you find those arson jobs. People know you and they ask grandma who you know. I need I got. I'm over my head here. I got insurance policy. Let's Let's do something about this building. And it's led to him and he's part of the World Amarillo he was. He was the Was he said he couldn't be a made man. But he was protected by made man in in Glen Allen and in one of the really before we get to. The Cougar ran thing and in the eighties when he was a teenager he was in Raeford prison. He was actually part of a landmark decision that all law enforcement know about the Supreme Court decision. That came down in October. I think it was nineteen. Sixty three was. The was the Gideon versus wainwright decision. Where he everyone got the right to an attorney will what people don't realize is Gideon wasn't the only petitioner To do that he was the first well. Sydney heard and five other men are on that original group. They all sent their petitions in one package from the same prison together. Gideon was the one that was kind of the flagship case. You know so. His name got on all of it but as far as Sydney and I can tell. Sydney is the last surviving petitioner of that landmark decision because he was so young in that prison so bidding. That story is the first time he went to Supreme Court and Change. The Laws of our land. Go forward into the eighties. When he's doing the Cougar. An thing he gets the Supreme Court to change the laws again and the reason being is he was very brilliant he. He was very even to this day. He he amazes me. He's got he can meet someone twenty years ago and he can tell me down to their facial descriptions. I mean. He's got this mind. That amazes me. I have to write everything down. But he's he's said well for so many years. My life depended on that. I had to be able to remember things and if I couldn't I knew that I could take one wrong step and I'd be dead. When it came to the Quran thing he had studied the law. He was bored one night in his in his Jewelry Shop. He didn't WanNa go home to his wife so he was staying over in his jewelry shop and he's like he was reading. The Wall Street Journal reported that a big batch of coup grants had been stolen and they hadn't been found while that sparks an idea in his mind. He starts sending out feelers on the street to see if anyone's interested in buying hot cougarettes. Well there was a lot of interest and so he's like well. I don't have the missing courant's so I'm going to manufacture them and so he actually found. He took some trial and error but he found a company out in California. That would make them with the word copy on them. Okay and he would then take them and under a microscope in he would solder he would rub off the word copy however he did it and then he would dip them in gold. He said an eighty five dollar bottle of liquid gold and he made. I don't know I think. He said he dipped a hundred of them in there. So I mean he could. He could really he was really making a profit here and then he sell them for eight hundred dollars a piece. He traded for drugs. E traded for all kinds of things too but the ones that really got the the FBI's attention and got the feds down. He had taken a bank for two hundred and seventy grand. He used them as collateral for a loan and when he did that he crossed over into fed territory. And so that's where. He said he had a rule in his hot cadillacs in his all of his schemes That he would always keep the take less than one hundred grand. He said because he knew it wouldn't draw is much attention a lot of times. It wouldn't be as investigated And so he always had that rule well. At this point he had gotten greedy and his his cohort convinced him to hit the. Spank for two hundred seventy grants. And he's like. That was the big mistake. If I had just kept running like I was. It would've lasted a lot longer. But anyways by the time he got those coins done he said you can't match the weight exactly two gold and so he said what he would do is he would dip it until it was as close as possible. They need put it in a plastic sleeve and behind that plastic sleeve. You'd put a little biddy slice of cardboard and so that would make it when you throw it on the scale. It was approximately the right weight. Of course someone would want to a smart person would want to take it out way. But he wouldn't let him. He's like no these are uncirculated. You can't take them out you know. And then of course if anybody started a question he would back out of the deal by the time. This was all done he. He had studied and the law of the land was. You can't counterfeit. I can't remember very exact verbiage but basically you can't counterfeit any Any coin of the realm was the way it used to say in the law. So that means you can't counterfeit any American currency okay. They couldn't get after him until they had that changed. So they were already investigating they were tailing him. They had he said he had three different types of of law enforcement. Cars following him everywhere and There is a story about how he dressed up and disguised in. Got Some people drunk to get through the airport. But there's a lot of sarcasm in this book as well I put in there That's the one time. A gangster ever willingly got into a trunk you know. I put a lot of sarcasm but I've got a better one that I'm designing a t shirt. I'll tell you about that anyways. But by the end of this he got the law changed. Are The feds? Got The law. Change to where it says any coin of legal tender meaning anybody's coins you can't counterfeit. And then they then. They took him out. Well not you know. Take him out. They didn't kill him obviously but they took down his business by the time they got him he had so many people turn coat on him that he's like screw it up. These are my best friends. They're all turning on me. They're like we know you did these fires. We will drop this if you will turn states evidence. And so he ended up doing that and then he ended up later through all kinds of chaos getting his life together and now he tries to Speak to like voice groups and stuff teach on life isn't what it looks like. You know at one point and this is one thing that I can't legally say for sure but I will tell you the conspiracy when they confiscated his gold coins. They were so good that they used them. The Treasury Department use them as a learning tool for people trying to spot fakes and we were out and we were told that a hundred and twenty of them were in a plaque in a shadow box hanging on the US Treasury Buildings Wall. Well I went to try to confirms at and I got a hold of a lot of people that wouldn't talk to me. I got a hold of the actual caretaker. The person that takes care of stuff in the building got a hold of him and he told me his exact words were. I cannot legally tell you yes or no you know. I can't I can't tell you for sure. Yes or no. I am not allowed to tell you. What's in the Treasury building? But the way he worded it in made it sound like yes. They are there So if any of your listeners want to travel to the US Treasury building see. If there's some cougar ends on the wall snap a screen shot and send it to me. I WanNa know you hear that wire-tappers out there the US treasury bill he did Watch the DC. Go and you see some grants five grands hanging onto wall and a shadow box. Take picture evidence. Send it to get it down to the noble best interest. And you know those. Those are a little bit like Like counterfeit pieces of art. You know there's people out there that could counterfeit like a van Gogh painting and nobody accepted. Expert could tell the difference. Those cooker ends probably really floating around out there still. Somebody's got him in a safety deposit box and you know this is. This is my retirement. I'm a pass this along to my kid. Not knowing like once he traded for some some looks like Thank you said your blog piece. He traded them for a couple of kilos of cocaine down in Mexico. Well those things are probably still being used. As as five hundred dollar Cougar. Aska's nobody would know many areas. You wouldn't know the difference unless you come some cabinet expert. It was really at a critical. I otherwise you know what what's it just because it's a coup grand. You know we assign a value of five hundred or eight hundred dollars or whatever and that's the value. I would like a painting. No it paid for one person might be ten bucks in other person might be ten million right right interesting crime. Well he He said in this is I don't WanNA spark a gold rush to Texas or anything. But he said but bad. They wanted all of them. Well they only had record of the hundred and twenty that they confiscated in. I said Okay so did you give them all. And he's like what do you think and I was like. Okay that's a stupid question But him and a body supposedly buried them underneath his buddies garage now if that buddy thought he could get some money out of I'm sure he is taken the backup but there is a potential of of another hundred buried under some random garage in Texas. Now you can buy the book and maybe try to figure out where it is but I am not responsible for any vandalism alright though. This has been great. The book is organized crime by Nova Cantrell. And she has a blog site What's your what's your blog site. Url on your blog sites and as an iron case NOVA INC DOT COM. Well this bed great and I appreciate you coming on the podcast and given our wire-tappers something to live for. They made me go down. And GET THOSE COUGAR HANDS. Although wait a minute. Aren't these counterfeit Cougar. Heads down there enough gold on them so you can get you some a little bit of money off of it or sound. Be Your Buddy and say hey manual by a half. Another thing is what all these were stolen it was. It was a big headline. I understand when he first got on this idea. And all these programs are stolen out there and him being a criminal he could take those then other criminals. You know he'd have some support from a newspaper headlines You know. Am fencing these. Cougar you know and you WanNa buy something to you a little bit cheaper now. It's a dangerous game. He's played there when he's dealing with other criminals with drug dealers down in Mexico. It's a very dangerous game. I don't see that's the thing. By the time this all winds up to a close he has his connections run up to towns in Chicago and then all the way down to the Mexican Mafia. He had they. They called him big Sid and he literally what he had done in Amarillo is he couldn't be a part of the family so he made his own. I mean he literally had his Cadillac. That showed up to a certain Diner on Saturday Mornings. And he conducted business in a certain chair. I mean he was. He was the boss of Amarillo. And that was the way it weren't if anybody wanted to run anything through him. He even had at one point he had two different points. He actually got a hit contract give into him. Of course he wouldn't kill nobody but he wouldn't tell nobody that either because it was all with him. It was all maintaining facade so He had you know one chapter in there called Hitman no kill. He took their money in he went and tripled it at the Casino and then he two weeks later he brought the money back said they. The person skipped up cow so this guy is a character that has to be a fast as areas of interview. Where's he where's he at? Now you say he does program with kids and yes when he when he can. He's he started having a few health problems so this last year. He hasn't been out much but he's actually in Springfield Missouri. Really Henderson. Well cool. Maybe I'll have to reach out to him more these days in and do an interview with all right. 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How Protests Can Change Policy; New Book Recommendations

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How Protests Can Change Policy; New Book Recommendations

"From NPR IN WB you are I'm Tanya Moseley I'm Jeremy Hobson. It's here now. As the coronavirus crisis continues after more than a week of unrest over police, violence and racism the Labor. Department reported so much better than expected news today that the unemployment rate fell last month to thirteen point three percent, some economists had been worried. The jobless rate might hit twenty percent in a statement at the White House president trump called it an affirmation of his past three and a half years in office. This leads us onto a long period of growth will have the greatest. We'll go back to having the greatest economy anywhere in the world. Nothing close. Washington Post, White House reporter Tulu Lulu. Joins US now told Lou? How are people making sense of how the unemployment rate was so much better than economists expected? There's very little about this. That makes a lot of sense in part because this entire coronavirus pandemic has defied expectations, and it's been very hard to model especially when it comes to unemployment, so economists are definitely happy that the numbers look better than what was expected. It's given them a sense that we may be rebounding more quickly than expected and the reopening of the economy, which has happened over the past several weeks may have led to jobs coming back, but there is still concerned that we still have. Thirteen upwards of thirteen percent of the workforce unemployed. People who've lost their jobs, and even though two point five million jobs added last month, the twenty point five million jobs that were lost in the previous month have still are still part of the picture, and it does appear. This still could be a pretty long rebound, but the fact that the jobs came back more quickly than economists expected as a sign that the rebound could happen more quickly than expected as well. We should also remember that. Congress passed a multi trillion dollar package that included money to allow employers to keep people on the payrolls. Even if they weren't actually going in to work during the last few months now trump's. Former economic adviser Stephen. Moore said it takes a lot of the wind out of the sales of any phase four. Stimulus package from Congress. He said we don't need it now. There's no reason to have major spending bill. The sense of urgent crisis is very greatly dissipated by this report. Do you think that this good jobs report is going to take the wind out of the sails as he said of any more stimulus coming from Washington? Definitely will for a large number of Republican lawmakers, their mantra over the past several weeks has been. We should wait and see how the trillions of dollars that have already been approved impact the economy, and then we will decide whether or not we need to have a face for deal. A president trump has said that he wants some kind of face for not necessarily strict stimulus into the economy, but he's talked about. About things like a payroll tax cut deductions for business meals and entertainment things that he's long wanted, but he sees this pandemic as an opportunity to push them through. Democrats are in a very different place. They want a lot more money for local governments, and they wanted to move much more quickly than the Republicans did so this could continue the dissension that we have between the two parties about how to move forward. In the of this pandemic in the middle of this economic recession and president trump is sort of the wild card in figuring out whether he will take a pause or push for those items that he has long wanted, anyways as part of a phase four, and maybe cut a deal with the Democrats if Republicans do not see the urgency after this jobs report. This morning president trump claimed victory over these social unrest that we've seen across the country since George Floyd's death last week. He cited the use of national. Guard troops to quell looting in Minneapolis listen in Minneapolis. We were incredible it they were ripping that place apart I love the I love it. We had such success there. And they were ripping it apart, and I called the governor and. The National Godwin and one night. It was over. You don't see the problem in Minnesota now at all, not even a little bit. Now the president ignored, shouted questions about what his plan is for police violence. Is. He going to respond to the broader debate in this country about racism or just tried to change the subject. He has been. The subject for the better part of the last couple of weeks, and I expect that to continue. It's not an issue that he wants to talk about. Because as far as we can tell based on his past statements, it's not says something he believes he believes that he should side with the police and even if he was disturbed by the killing of George Floyd. He doesn't think it is a broader problem within policing. Even as we've seen multiple videos of police brutality in recent weeks in the middle of these protests, the president has called for police to dominate these cities, and he is actually been in favor of these tough tactics that police have taken even against peaceful protesters. The president believes that there's a systemic problem or that racism or police brutality or something that he needs to discuss on a broader level. Instead he wants to focus on sort of get tough approach to law and order, and that seems to be his message coming out of this when we should note that as the president was speaking this morning. At the White House there were many more barricades, a lot more security than usual because of what's been going on on the streets, and in fact, sixteenth street near the White House in Washington DC has been renamed. Black Lives Matter Plaza and a huge black lives matter has been painted on the street by the order of the mayor of Washington, so quite an extraordinary scene, total old White House reporter for the Washington. Post, thank you, thank you. One of the larger demands of the black lives matter movement is for cities to reduce the amount of money that goes towards police in Minneapolis, the group's black visions, collective and reclaim the block are asking the city to re allocate forty five million dollars from the police to health and safety programs and city officials. There have actually signal that they're willing to consider it and in Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti and some city council members. Members are proposing to cut up to a hundred and fifty million dollars from the LAPD budget for the next fiscal year. Joining us now is La City Council member, Karen Price, he was one of the members who introduced this proposal and Mr. price before the protests mayor Garcetti was actually proposing an increase in funding for police. And you and the mayor are now proposing something different. Where with this money cut from police go to instead. Let me, just say. Are In an extraordinary time, and it requires express their reaction. You know, and I'm not just the council member representing the Ninth District in. Los Angeles I'm a sixty nine year old black man, and so been sensitive to issues regarding racial justice really all my I don't like it, but this is an exciting opportunity and exciting window. They have a chance to reallocate resources in a way that can really make a difference off. Proposal is to have the police join making cuts that were making all across all across the board with other city departments. And redirecting funds that can benefit the black Latino and other other surf communities. Used to expand the the community safety program for example. The community partnerships ESPN, which is an exciting collaboration between the police. Department and camellias opposites assigned to certain areas. They are actually apply to be the officers in theory they interact with the community providing a sports and leisure programs for the you really embedding themselves that we've had successful projects in my district with this program, and we should be expanding these programs. All over are sitting one hundred and fifty million. Though a tiny fraction of the more than one point, eight billion dollars that's allocated to the LAPD next year. Progressive activists say that really is a drop in the bucket. It's not substantial. Change your response to this. Disagree I think a hundred million dollars from the police, a total two hundred fifty million dollars. The city budget is a significant start No, but it's beginning points and you know it gives the La a chance to demonstrate that it is the progressive houses city looking. Not just relying within the past. How can we need to? Now you know we're working closely with the police department to. It's GONNA come from. They're not going to be imposed laterally. I'm vice chair of the budget. Committee we're going to begin deliberations in fact the next week. WE'RE GONNA. Be Talking about the how we. Realized nine read. To our our goals for for justice in in our city I want to ask you about something else. Though LAPD biggest police union however has criticized this proposal. They say Your City Council. President is dehumanizing police officers. And these cuts will mean a cut of things like anti bias and De Escalation Training. It actually won't have the effect that you want. How do you respond to that? I disagree I. THINK WE HAVE TO TRY I? I certainly had a brandon supportive of the police. You know they play. You need important role in our community. They certainly the LAPD has certainly changed over the past thirty years. you know he was once very regressive oppresses occupying force. Now it is more of a community, a resource and so we think it's appropriate that we worked closely with with an apartment lease. figure out how we can realign reassign. These? hundred million for example. Is definitely the amount the covers overtime? For the Police Department for the year. Yeah, we know. It'd be the same pressure overtime sporting events. It'd be going on concerts, not going to be going on her. They're gonNA be ways. We can make some cuts. We just gotTa be created. There, cookie cutter a certain way. We don't know this is all uncharted territory, but that's what makes it so exciting. That, we can do this together in a way. That demonstrates to our community that were serious about issues around racial justice. We're serious about concerns about equality, and we are hearing the demonstrations that are going on not just in La, but all over this country in back all over the world. That's La. COUNCILMEMBER KAREN IN PRICE. Thank you so much. It it feels like nothing in the news. These days makes any sense, so hud hodge turned to his father, and his faith for answers he said, don't worry about the number of questions. Just worry about which questions become more clear and solidified comedian been hajj on how spirituality is getting through. Listen subscribed to. It's been a minute from NPR. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi says the Congressional Black Caucus will announce new legislation next week to address police, brutality and racial profiling. This comes on the heels of days of continuous protests across the country sparked by the death George, Floyd, but is this a moment in history that will actually lead to meaningful legislation. US now is gay. Oriel Charles who is professor at Duke University School of Law and the Co. Director of the Duke Law Center on law, race and politics key welcome back. Thank you wonderful to be back. We'll have you been surprised at all. By the energy that has grown behind the protest movements, and how quickly it has ramped up after the police killing of George Floyd. To some extent Jeremy I have. Obviously. I have not been surprised that these events have taken place. But as you said the energy, it's speed especially in a moment of pandemic. Where there are worries about health, but people have overcome those words, because the seems to be an inflection point. This moment seems to be a very different moment. It reminds me of the sixty four civil rights moment the sixty three, the civil rights movement where people said enough is enough. And they demanded change, and that seems to be what we're seeing today and they got changed in the form of the Civil Rights Act. Just remind us what the importance of that act was. What did it do? Well we had to fundamentally important acts the sixty four civil rights act, and the sixty five voting rights act, and if you want to use sixty five voting rights as an example, the impetus, for it was the violence from the Edmund Pettus Bridge where the civil rights marchers were marching voting equality, and they wanted to go to the capital and Montgomery Alabama and they were met with violence by the police, and when people saw that on their television screens, they said. Said, you know, we can no longer have the type of racial discrimination in voting that we've had historically in this country, and they demand the change, so the united with the civil rights movement, and we got change in the form of the voting rights. Act that made discrimination, it was already illegal under the constitution, but enforce the constitution and brought in the southern states, were the major discriminators to make sure that black people and people of color can vote without discrimination. So, why do you think that it's this moment that is comparable to what was happening back in the early sixties, and not the moment immediately following Michael Brown, Eric Garner, or Freddie gray or Sandra Bland. Why is it George Floyd? What was it about that? That really changed everything you know. There's something about watching that video. And watching a police officer, a person's own government put his knee on the neck of helpless individual. And that individual saying I can't breathe and the officer callously and indifferently ignoring cries, there was no reason for it and the life being sucked out of that man that I think. At a point in which society reaches and they said we have seen too many of these things enough is enough, but there's something about that video that is particularly callous and the cumulative effects of seeing similar things at some point in time, something was going to galvanize this nation, and it seems that this is the straw that broke the camel's back. It is particularly unnerving is particularly disturbing. And if one does not look at that video and say a human being can't take the life of another human being by using the force of the state, there's something that's missing inside of us and I think people here said we are fellow human beings, and we want to make commonality with our fellow human beings, their respective of their race, their class, their region. Well I have to say is I've been thinking about that moment over the last week. Week and I am a white man. I've never been arrested by the police, but I think there would be greater odds of you and I being two planes that crash into each other than me doing anything that caused a police officer to do that to me to do to me what he did to George Floyd. which sort of shows you, the difference in the system of justice in this country for black and Brown people versus for white people. This is exactly right, and and we're seeing it's hard. I think for most white people to imagine the experiences that black people have. I was talking to my father recently, and we were just telling stories about our experiences. Every single black person has multiple stories, and it's not an exaggeration, and the research bears this out on the racial disparities on stops, racial disparities, unrest racial disparities in Rasmus and it is hard for most whites to believe, but when you see something like that and to think that if you're a white person, it wouldn't happen to your son or your daughter or another person who's white. It is the story and the habitual. Act that people of color have to live with relatively daily basis and I think that turns something. And each and every single one of us, no matter what race or location is if we are decent human beings. What is your reaction to the? Charge against the Minneapolis police officer who held his neon George. Floyd's leading to his death, and the charges brought against the three officers who did not intervene while that happened. Well, the first thing that we are seeing and this is again why this moment may be different first of all we are now seeing prosecutions that charges are being brought that serious charges are being broad and I think not only does it send a message, but it is also an important step in the justice system. Now we need to see juries routinely apply the facts and the evidence to the law, and where appropriate to hold people accountable to convict them based upon the law and based upon the facts and not based upon bias. And so for me, seeing these charges brought seeing serious charges broad which communicate that the attorney general and and Minnesota is determined to see justice served here so I was encouraged by what I saw and I'm guessing. The country's encouraged by what they saw not only seeing charges brought, but those charges being serious upgraded to reflect the gravity of the situation in a way that meets both the facts of what happened as well as the law. You have a history in the state of Minnesota. You were at the University of Minnesota Law School for many years. Do you think that there's something about what happened happening in that state in the north, not in the south that changes for people. I have to say that. It's surprised me to see that it is Minnesota so i. think that this is a very important point that one can't simply say it's the south or that one can't simply say this is backwards region what I think Minnesota displays, and it's consistent with. The experience of black people wherever they find themselves that there is racism. Racism is embedded throughout parts of our country. That doesn't mean we haven't made progress we have, but you can't assume that simply because it's the north or the West or it can only happen in the south because that's not true, it's not consistent with our history, and it's not consistent with our experience. And so it did surprise me a little bit. That Minnesota was the catalyst. It didn't surprise me that this happened in Minnesota, but that surprise that it was Minnesota that was the catalyst, and maybe in some respects it demonstrates had this happens everywhere that black people are subject to the police state wherever they find themselves in this country. So, this is happening five months before an election and it does seem like some are trying to harness the energy of the protest and get people to vote you see a lot of social media posts end with the word vote. you study voting rights you talked about the voting rights act of nineteen sixty five. What do you think will come out of what's happening right now? What has to come out of protests. Politics is legislation now. This is very difficult and this particular moment first of all some states have imposed or have not made it easy for people to vote especially in the midst and worries about a pandemic. And the honest reality the party that is most likely to adopt reform at least the federal. Are the Democrats and they don't control Congress and they certainly don't control the presidency. And, so clearly political change will have to happen if these issues are to be dealt with at the federal level, and some of them can be dealt with at the state level, so it is important for people to get out and vote. It is important for people to come the barriers because of the political process is the engine of political change so protest politics is a prelude. Prelude to the types of political process changes that people want to see so that way this moment in fact matters, so it is true that these protests seem to be very different. It's galvanizing. A group of young multiracial people who are saying enough is enough, but it's not going to change if it doesn't lead to legislation at the state level as well as at the federal level. Is Key Uriel Charles who is professor of law at Duke? University School of law and the CO director of the Duke Law. Center on race and politics. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. The Navajo nation has the highest corona virus infection rate per capita in the country in the aid package passed by Congress six hundred million dollars in relief, money is being sent to the tribe, but as Laurel Morales of member station. K. J.. Z., Z. reports what the law allows isn't necessarily what the Navajo people say they need. At the end of March, the coronavirus relief package called the cares act set aside eight billion dollars for tribes, but the money comes with restrictions. It can only be used to cover expenses that are quote incurred due to the public health emergency, but on the Navajo nation. The public health emergency is inherently related to some basic infrastructure problems over thirty percent. Of Our Navajo people don't have running water Navajo. President Jonathan Nes- The way to address the public health emergency is to make sure people can wash their hands with clean running water if there is a second surge or any future pandemics. It's very impractical that we begin to plan for the future. It's like demanding the second floor of the House. Be Built before the first floor, and it's not just what the money can be spent on its how quickly the money needs to be spent. The Treasury Department is giving tribes until the end of the year to spend the money, but building waterlines takes time literally possible. Abba. Completed Jason John. WHO MANAGES THE NAVAJO NATION? Department of Water Resources says each step must be approved by the tribal council end. It's federal counterparts building waterlines just to get it to to construction. Bid It out and elected construction company. Prosper takes between two to two and a half years alone and in construction, after Dan could take a year to year and a half I was at tribal administrator for several years so I understand what that means new. Mexico congresswoman. deb Holland is working on a fixed. That wouldn't require a whole new law. You win a grant and that's just the beginning. Might take you five years to get your project through. This is the problem and one of the things we are absolutely working on is to cut some of that red tape Holland who is a member of the Laguna. Pueblo says the tribes don't need to go through other entities to get the work done. Especially during a public health emergency tribes come to us and tell us we want. Want more time on. This will absolutely go to bat for them, but building waterlines is just the beginning Navajo Council delicate Amber Kanawha. Crotty says many basic needs on the Navajo. Nation could help combat the current virus electricity, more hospitals, doctors and nurses better housing. I I put together myself a two billion plus package guess to address Corona virus. This is a band-aid six hundred million A. A Lot, but it's a bandaid. Crotty as looking at how west Africa dealt with the Bulla crisis, and says it's time to address the longstanding inequities on the Navajo nation and take a holistic approach to fighting the pandemic definitely has to be the time where we do a paradigm shift, and think about instead of being reactive. We now have the opportunity to be very proactive. Tribes leads and. And executive branches have gone back and forth over how best to spend the federal funds and expedite that spending President Nez says the tribe has to work together when this is no time to play games. This is no time to play politics. This is the time to unify in unite. That unity is necessary to begin building public health infrastructure on the Navajo nation from the ground up. For NPR, news I'm Laura Morillas flagstaff. Hundreds of mourners attended a memorial in Minneapolis last night to remember George Floyd, whose death has sparked a movement around the world. The four police officers involved in floyd staff have also been arrested and charged days after the protests and activists are pushing for several reforms including cutting the police department's budget for more on this call to action. We're joined now by Minnesota Protester Tony Williams who is also an organizer with reclaim the block. Thank you for joining us. Absolutely thanks for having. Tony, what an intense week! What is it like right now in Minneapolis? It is very intense i. think the interesting part about it is though there's been an immense outpouring of anger and grief happening. There's also an incredible amount of hope resilience. That Minneapolis is displaying in this moment. We've really seen the city. Come together in order to. Have a more beautiful vision of what Minneapolis could look like when you drive around. Minneapolis, right now you see plywood covering up buildings to protect them, but then you see beautiful community street are on the outside of that plywood, demanding an end to the Minneapolis Police Department and Justice for George. Floyd in our community is coming together and organizing around black patrols and sharing resources and We're really seeing a massive ground swell of support for new ways of keeping our community safe out side of the police department. Mentioning the police department I said how those four officers have been arrested and charged. Is this a move in the right direction? What else is your organization demanding certainly well when you look at the history of the Minneapolis, Police Department which we've done with our community report MPG one fifty. She can find 'em. PD FIFTY DOT com what we end up seeing. Seeing is that there's a cycle of police brutality and reform There's an atrocity perpetrated by the police There is an outcry in protest against that there are reforms that are passed or accountability measures that are taken, and they're stagnation or backsliding, and those police officers being held accountable is not justice because we know that it doesn't fundamentally shift this system. Towards. A place where more black people aren't at risk of being murdered by the police here in Minneapolis, so it's a step in the right direction but It's clear that we're not going to solve police. Brutality or systemic racism in America by focusing on individual offer officers. The whole system is rotten to the core and I think that what's become clear to elected officials to community members to activists here in Minneapolis. Is that reform of the Minneapolis police? Department is impossible. We've been held up as a national model of how policing should look, and it's become clear that. Despite all of the dollars and time and energy poured into community policing here in Minneapolis. That reform is not going to work, and we're not going to find the type of department we want to, and so I think community members and elected officials here are in agreement that it's actually time for us to dismantle our police department and build alternatives to keep our community safe. You know the eyes of the world have been on Minneapolis and the protests It's a big call to action for those in support and they've been able to donate to reclaim the block from former presidential candidate who Castro to pop stars that we've seen have have donated to the 'cause. How are you all processing this outpouring of support? And what do you want to use all of this money and support towards? Yeah I mean I. Think it's indicative of. Exactly like where the country has arrived on this discussion of police abolition. That we're seeing millions of people on contribute to US and Put up our work. We want to recognize that a lot of that is not necessarily just about our work, right? It's about the broader movement towards a police future, I'm and so we are finding ways and want to find ways to share that money with other folks. In Minneapolis and around the country as well I'll say that. I think that all of that money from our perspective is spent to create a police free future here and elsewhere and that's where we want to focus on keeping those resources. That's Tony Williams and. With re claimed the block Donnie thank you so much. Thank. You have a good day. It's not just big cities where young people are demanding police reform. They're also taking to the streets in small towns and suburbs throughout the country people. By police brutality have gathered in places like Laramie. Wyoming Waco Texas Fort. Wayne Indiana and Bar Harbor Maine. One of those protesters is eighteen year old marcus pruitt who lives in Glen Ellyn Illinois. He's with the group Chicago burbs for Justice High Marcus I- as. Well, thank you for being here so buffalo. Grove, where these protests have been happening, is about thirty three miles north of Chicago and it's so small. It's actually considered a village We've been talking a lot about big city protests. But what have the protests there have been like? Honestly they've been really good. The protests that we had yesterday. We did not expect a bigger turnout as we got it all. We were able to get a lot of. Of, voices of the community to speak we spoke to a lot of the voices of the community, and we were really able to make the message known that this stuff is really really happened everyone's community end and it was really nice to just see people come together and fight for real change, because in times like now it's so hard to stay hopeful and in people really fighting for what they believe in brings joy to my heart, yeah! And what are some of the problems that are important to you in the suburbs as you all protest? We really believe that systematic racism is real whether it be through the ways that the system is setup to keep people of color down the ways. Certain communities are over police. Aren't. The police shouldn't be militarized in in these small neighborhoods. And what's your experience been like in the town where you live in Glen Ellyn? Out Driving, the other day passed my police department We're having a peaceful protests and pass the police department and they were all lined up in the parking lot. Full riot gear shields tons of cars like all of it and I saw that and I'm honestly. The first thought that came to my head was while I. Don't know why they have all of this year. If we made it known that this protest is going to be peaceful and we're really just there for change they shouldn't have. All of these shields, and all this weaponry, and be lined up like an army, just for peaceful protests, like and if that's how it is in my small suburb, and imagine how it is and inner cities and more urban areas and cities Chicago. Even I was working in Chicago on Saturday and I drove through the protests, and like ten fifteen police cars. Were flying passing I wholeheartedly believe that public services important, but it's just it's. It's really crazy food to be honest. You just finished your freshman year at Illinois State University. How are you feeling about this moment? In history, and how it could impact your future I feel like this moment in history is really just going to. Help. Define me and what I really stand for, and and it's going to show in every aspect of life for me. Even about work I'm a journalist. I'm a writer. I've been doing it for a little over a year now and as soon as this happened I, completely shifted my writing. I usually focus on on music, fashion and things like that and black culture is definitely in those industries, and so I figured. Hey, I have to focus on my fellow people. We're going through a hard time right now. I have to highlight the good that we do the struggles that we go through with my writing so. I feel like this moment in history is just going to further influence everything that I do when it comes to my job, my career. How I carry myself it. It's really just gonNA. Affect all aspects of life for me. Are you protesting again today, and what's what's next? I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to make it out to protest today just because. I do have to work. I make my own schedule when it comes to work. Instead of working I've been putting more time towards these protests, and that's not a bad thing at all, but I do have to focus on my. My financial stability as well but I'm definitely going to back out there. Tomorrow Sunday. I'm going to try to make it to as many protests as I can. I've got a lot of people who want me to speak at their protests to so. I'm going to try to do that I really do everything in my power to help fight for what's right honestly. That's Marcus, pruitt he is one of many young activists in the suburbs of Chicago with a group. CHICAGO BURBS for justice. Thank you so much markets for joining us. Funding for here, and now comes from the listeners of WB you are Boston and your NPR station from mathworks, creators of Matlab and simulink software for technical computing and model based design mathworks, accelerating the pace of discovery in engineering and science learn more at mathworks Dot Com and the Museum of Science in Boston Providing Pre k through grade, twelve engineering curricula from we engineer to engineering the future with teacher, guides, storybooks, kits, and videos all designed to fuel dynamic stem education more at Mos dot org. This is here and now let's take a break from the news for a moment. The author of the Popular Hunger Games series has just published a new book. Suzanne Collins's latest is called the ballad of song, birds and snakes. Petra mayor of NPR books is here to talk with me about it, and she also has some other picks Petra. Hi there, so this new hunger games book is. Is Not a sequel. It takes place before the hunger games books right? Yeah, exactly so if you remember president snow, the villainous presidents know who was up until the very last minute he was the big bad of the original series. And so this is his backstory starting when he is sort of an impoverished student in the capital city of Panam this post, apocalyptic country that collins invented and And he's trying to sort of preserve the illusion. That family is still wealthy, and he's assigned to mentor a competitor in the hunger games, and it's kind of interesting watching snowfall, all of and the challenge that he has in the book, which is of when we meet him the hunger games are this cheap spectacle low budget. Nobody cares about it anymore. The capitalist crumbling and affected by the. The war and he has to kind of figure out how to get people interested in how to how to drum up buzz for the hunger games. She's sort of queasy and fascinating when I remember when the Hunger Games came out, and I was on a beach on vacation, just reading book after book I was hooked on. It is this is much of a page Turner No! If you I kind of think about it like classic doctor, who right like? If you really love the show and you just want to spend time in that world, then go for it. You will enjoy it okay. Will you also brought us some other picks not necessarily but things that we ought to take a look at in this time of staying at home. Home and you bring up. Lois lowry's the giver Quartet. This book series has sold millions of copies, and the first book won a newbery medal. Yeah, exactly so when you're talking about teen Dystopia, you can't not talk about the giver It's Kinda the grand mommy of all of them. It's about a young man growing up in this very regimented society that He. He, thinks is a utopia. He thinks it's great. And then he gradually finds out that it's not and that it is incumbent on him to do something about it, so you know if that sounds familiar, then you will recognize the influence of this book on so many others, but it's different in that it doesn't have the bloody exciting action sequences that you get. Get in the hunger games, divergent or other books of that ilk, it's more driven by emotion is sort of the love of parents for their children by longing, and it's just richly written and wonderful, and if you are in the mood for quality young adult, dystopia highly recommended. You also wanted to talk about another science fiction series. The murder bought diaries by Martha. This is about a murderous robot. I love the murder diary, so murder Bhatt is a CYBORG. It lives in this kind of future Galactic Society, and it's not an independent entity. It's owned by a corporation that rents it out as kind of high tech bodyguard, but the thing about murderer is that it's an Ai and it has hacked its own systems to become more self aware secretly independent of corporate control, and all it really wants out of life is to be left alone so that it can watch downloads of its favorite shows. About by the way is what it calls itself, and it is the most delightfully cranky Cyborg ever met, and of course there wouldn't be a story if humans left alone right, so it's constantly getting into scrapes, and it learns along the way to sort of trust to interact with humans, and learns to acknowledge its own humanity, and even you know the horror to occasionally have emotions, and there are four novellas in this series, so it's pretty. They're pretty easy reads if you just want to try them out and then. The full length book called network effect just came out, and it is every bit as good as the novellas. Okay, we'll listeners to our show may remember an interview. We had just in the last couple of weeks with Lisa Napoli. Whose new book called up all night is about the history of CNN you recommend from scratch by Allen Salkin, which is a history of the food network. Yeah Absolutely I. Read This statistic somewhere that in. In April Food Network was the number one cable network over on weekends, and like the number two non news network during the week, and it is definitely the number one network in my house like with everything that's going on sometimes all. I WanNa do is watch guys. Grocery gains so am. I remember this book. It came out in two thousand thirteen, so it's not exactly up to date, but it is a really informative and. And entertaining and exhaustive history of the food, because if you remember kind of before food network in the in the nineties food TV. Julia Child Writer Yan can cook, or it was mostly like PBS and it was mostly people standing behind countertops, stirring stuff, and so this book shows you how food network grew and kind of transformed all of food TV and you know. It started part of a regional cable network in New England. England and it just became this juggernaut and Allen Salkin talk to several hundred people I think including a lot of the big names, and so there's a lot of juicy gossip in to our well, those all sound like good picks, but I will say Petra that some people may have a difficult time reading in this moment it's Kinda stressful, and it might be hard to focus. Yeah, some people by some people you mean me. There were a couple of months where I could not read it. All and we talked food network I watched a lot of the food network. So I want people to know. Don't beat yourself up. If your brain isn't working this way right now, read whatever works for you for a while. I could only read things I don't for twenty five years, and if you can't read, don't feel bad about that. Books will be there when you're ready for them. That is Petra mayor of NPR books. We've got some more petras picks. If you are in the mood for reading, adhere now, DOT ORG! Petra thanks, you're very welcome. Here now is a production of NPR and WB ASSOCIATION WITH THE BBC World Service I'm Jeremy Hobson Im Tanya Moseley this here now.

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"Hey, this is Kelly with two broads talking politics be sure to tune in on Tuesday, November sixth. That's right election day from eight to nine PM central on Facebook live or Twitter live to catch. Our live podcasts show. We're going to have election results analysis, some special guests, and maybe a little bit of what are we going to do after the election hoped? See you there. Listen. Welcome back to two broads talking politics as usual. I am one of your host Sofiane. I'm here with my co host Kelly. Hey, kelly. Sophie, hope your voice is feel better minus feeling a little better. My voice is better. You may hear my kids screaming in the background. It happens. Joining us tonight is Melissa dommage. She is a candidate for the Ohio State board of education from district eight and she's also eighteen years old. Welcome Elissa fine. Thanks for having me. Thanks for joining us, though. Usually we've just start off by asking candidates just kind of tell us a little bit about themselves. So just sorta tell us who are you? And how did you come to be running for the state board of education? All right. Yeah. So I'm Melissa Domine. And I'm eighteen years old. I'm currently a college student at Walsh university in north canton, Ohio. I grew up in a little town outside Youngstown, Ohio. As I grew up. I had a lot of influence on my siblings on they kind of gave me a lot of different volunteering experiences with everything that they did in their life. So I kind of got a feel for it. I would want to do in my future and after volunteering with children in tutoring. I knew that I wanted to help kids. I didn't know what capacity that would be yet. I saw my sister go through. Her degree to get to the teacher. So I kind of knew that teaching might not be for me necessarily. But I still wanted to be able to help kids and this past year around February twenty eighteen after the parklands shooting my school, and my peers designed to look at our own safety within canfield high school, which is why I went to high school, and we decided to look at how we can improve our building security and safety and that eventually got us to Columbus where we started to discuss different things with our representatives and senators on how we can improve schooling within Ohio, and I also had an internship with my local Democratic Party. And I got a call on my eighteenth birthday this past summer, and they asked me if I would be their candidate for the school board. And I said, of course. So that's kind of how I got here. But it all pretty much started with me realizing that there was a need for change within Ohio schools and being a student. We kind of had that unique perspective of being in the classroom. And so we kinda ran with it, and we just been really hoping to make change. And I think that this was the next step in my journey to help make change within Ohio. So I think a lot of our listeners know about like local boards of education. But what does the state board of education do in Ohio? Okay. So in Ohio, it looks over the Ohio department of education and the state superintendent and a lot of the job is also gonna be on personally, I will be going to the state house and hopefully sharing my insight with other state officials, but the board self is made up of nineteen members and eleven of them are appointed by the governor. And then eight of them are elected. So I would be one of the elected official on the state school board. And so those are all by district. Then right. It's eight different districts in Ohio. Right. Correct. Well, what kinds of issues are you hearing about from voters as you're, you know, on the campaign trail talking to people what sorts of things are they talking to you about. Yes. Most of what I've been hearing is about changing the graduation requirements and just creating students and more diverse pathways. I especially like after high. School to getting them prepared to not only be able to go to college, but also pushing more technical than career centers, and maybe even apprenticeship in different ideas, like that instead of just making sure that every student can fit into the mold of becoming a college student to then get a college degree, and I certainly agree with creating more pathways for students 'cause I understand as being a former student that not all students are completely different. And we all have our own things that were good at and we should be able to work that into the graduation requirements where each student can focus on more of what they're good at instead of being forced to study the same things for every student, which is the campaigning for the state board of education. Look like, you know, you going knocking on doors or are you going to events. What does that look like? Yeah. So it's the last thing on the ballot. So a lot of people don't on. There's not a whole lot of coverage on it. And. A lot of people usually actually end up voting for it. It's one of those things I kinda gets overlooked, so mainly my my main job right now is name recognition and making sure that people do recognize my name when they go to the polls to be able to get my name recognize we have been doing the maximum that I can do we've been knocking doors. We just ordered yard signs that we can put them out at the polling places we've been printing literature and passing it out. We've been during literature up on cars, we did a tour around the thirteen counties of my district. So we drove fifteen hundred miles a thousand of them were in one weekend. And we just went around and we've been talking with different voters for my different counties. So we've really just been getting out there and try and do as much as we possibly can. So as a college student, it's it gets pretty busy, but it's been very enjoyable, and I loved getting to talk to the voters, especially in counties that I had not been to that often the my life being able to go and talk with them and the different parts of Ohio is definitely really cool. Silly mentioned that. You're eighteen years old. I believe you are officially the youngest candidate. We've ever had in our show not the youngest person but the youngest candidate but the youngest candidate. And I think technically I am old enough to be your mother. And so I'm wondering if we can talk a little bit. You're also running I know against two other candidates who are much older than you. So wondering if you can talk a little bit about what a younger candidate brings to the table. And how your age is an asset. Yes. So being young, obviously, I'm not going to know every single thing about education, there is to know. But because I I was a racist of the public school system. I know what's happening now within the public school system, and what fault there are within it. And so I'm hoping to bring that knowledge with me, and I can help explain to my elders on the board that these certain things are an issue, and it's keeping students holding back from getting the best education. We can. So I really hope to bring the knowledge that they won't necessarily have to the board. And also just give them the perspective of a student 'cause the day and age that we're going up to now is a lot different from when they would have been in school who just a lot of different hurdles that we have to jump over that they necessarily didn't. So being able to explain to them as we're voting on different issues. What it's like to actually be in that position versus just judging off of what might be best for the teachers. But also having that student perspective up there as well. It's kind of surprising that they don't have a student or recent student board member just as a you know, sort of position. That's always there you'd think that's something that that would be of interest to them, right? What did you think of running for office? Is it what you had expected it to be when they were asking you to run. So when I got that phone call I had about two three hours to decide on this. The next day had to get signatures. And so within those two to three hours, I called all my siblings and talked with them, and my brother had been on campaigns in the path and he runs the nonprofit right now. So he has a lot of experience within politics, and I especially talked to him. I was like I'm going to be going to school. Like is this even feasible will? I be able to keep my grades up. How will it affect me overall? And he's the one that pushed me to do it the most, and I'm so thankful he did because it is a lot. And it is it is a lot more than I would have expected it to be. It's a lot more raising funds that you can do everything that you need to do. But the main thing that you have a good team behind you at the beginning of this. I went to college I think two weeks after I started campaigning. And at that point. I had a very very small team. I think it was just like can't pay manager. And then. My brother is my adviser, and I became very overwhelmed. Very fast. I was having endorsement call in between classes and in between different events that I had to go to a welcome weekend. And I very very quickly got overwhelmed, but after about a week of constant turmoil. Within me, I decided that I needed to get a team and asking for help is a hard thing for me to do. And especially asking for money is even harder. But having a good team behind you with a big step for me. And I was able to get past it ask for help. It's been a much much smoother ride. And it's great to have a good team behind you. Because they push you do things that you didn't even think of doing and so ever since then I've really been able to go a lot farther than I would have ever imagined. It'd be able to as a college student right now though. Yeah, that's pretty much. That's pretty much the advice. I would give to anyone else. Running to make sure you have a good team behind you. Because as long as you have a good team behind you. You can do anything you can you can manage anything else that you might need to many of our listeners are. Eighteen or older people and many of us not person. Now, I know I think technically we're middle age Kelly, and I know that a lot of older people like the are sad when younger people aren't getting involved in government aren't running for office and aren't voting. So do you have any advice for our listeners about how to encourage younger people to get involved with government and politics who I would just say honestly setting a good example for children when they're younger voting was never an option in my family. It was always something that you did. It was a civic duty. You didn't. There was never a oh, are you gonna get to vote? It was when it went are you voting? So I think that's a big reason why I always held voting with such high honor. So I think definitely a younger age like getting kids involved with learning who their representatives are in the senators and their local candidate and making Vander stand the importance of voting, even if you just take them to the polls with you. I was always going to the polls of my grandparents the young kid, so. So just showing them that side of society is a big thing when they're younger, and then even within schools, I would like to see a lot more government involvement within the school. So like a lot more time for the senators will come in and like talk to students about the issues where students can voice their opinions. I think that's a big big thing as well. Just getting students acquainted with their representatives whether their local or statewide because me personally, I didn't get involved too much with politics. I helped like on campaigns of the volunteer, but not until like my senior year of high put it I actually have conversations with representatives. And once you create like relationships with those people at the it comes a lot easier to understand government and want to get involved in the help more people. And then another thing is like just be ready to hear the the the generations, DeVos. It can be pretty hard to like be able to accept other people's viewpoints. And they know that some of the older people might not be ready to hear what we have to say about schools, and the be ready to hear what we have to say about feeling. Safer than our own school building. But if you're ready to hear a voice, Nick sept- or worries and help us overcome them and create solutions for the problems that we're facing right now. Then I don't think we're going to have an issue. I think we'll see a lot more kids get involved with politics if we can actually create solutions to the problems. But yeah. So that's the advice that I give to you guys. The good news. Is you have a lot more energy when you're eighteen than you do when you're so if we get the young people. They can do all the work that we're too tired to do. There are other things that you want to make sure to talk about I can talk about mental health for a little bit as well this past ring after talking with my representatives and senators we actually have a Bill on the floor right now in front of the Ohio general assembly and Senate Bill three fourteen house, oh seven thirteen and it revolves around mental health resources within school recently within my path, I've gone through a lot of mental health hurdles, and I know a lot of my peers that have worked on the Bill with me have as well. And it's a really hard thing. When you're in a school building every day, and you can't find the help that you deserve the student. And so one thing that we talked about with them was I see all learning which is social emotional learning at younger ages so students can grow up feeling okay. About talking about their feeling and just kind of eliminate the stigma that mental healthcare is with it to students can feel okay? Going to counselors and saying, hey, I'm not feeling all that. Great or hey, I'm a little depressed about. Something in my life. That's happening. So soon as can seek the help that they deserve. And then also it it talks about increasing faculty members like psychologists within the school building. And then it also talks about mental health screenings within schools to that students who are going through inner turmoil and don't know what to do or that. It's even whether they're experiencing, anxiety or depression. They might not know that is called anxiety depression. But if they were to be screaming, and we could get them the help that they deserve it will allow them to talk to somebody about how they're feeling and they can realize that it's something that that they can they can talk to someone about and they can get the help that they need for it not necessarily that the test would be medicine, but just like counselor help 'cause I I went through it. I didn't know was happening. And then like once I got to high school. I realized what it was. And I was able to look up different ways that I can help myself through the school day and looking back now, I should've totally had the resources, and I should've totally had someone realized what was happening, but. Never. I also never had that many relationships like close relationships with teachers they never knew what was happening. But so another part of it definitely is a teacher and student relationships as well, an admin student relationships that when kids are feeling that way, if they don't feel comfortable necessarily going to their guidance counselor. They can go to that teacher that their close with. That's awesome. And how can I listen to help you in your campaign in the last few days before the election? Yeah. So the last couple of days the main thing she's going to be we need to get more literature that we can keep passing out at the polls. So if they're willing to donate, they can go to Melissa Dom dot com, and there's a contribue button. And then there's also a lot more mation about me on their too. And then if they don't want to donate the money, but they'd love to donate their time. We also have a volunteer form on the website. And if they live within my counties, and they'd be willing to go out and stand at the polls and pass out, my literature that would also be greatly appreciated. So yeah, those are the two main ways that we need help right now is in the campaign though. Yeah. And what does the district encompass in these would do which counties? Yeah. So district includes Athens Belmont, Carol Colombiana Harrison, Jefferson, Mahoning megs Monroe noble stark, and Vinton and also Washington counties, I'm related to like the Mahoning and Colombian accountancy. So y'all. Listening to this you need to help her out. And I know let's voters and start Coney. So you should also be listening. All right. Excellent. We'll we'll put a link to your website up on our website as well. And it's really exciting that you're that you're running that you're taking this son at eighteen minutes. Exciting when anybody's running for office. But especially that you're doing this on top of being in college is is really great. Thank you. Yeah. Also, thank you for having me. Joining us tonight is Hadja off. So she's candidate for the dupage county board from district four welcome Hadja. I think for having me thanks for joining us. Can you start off by introducing yourself to our listeners. Tell us who you are. And how you came to be running for office right now. Yeah. So I'm nineteen years old like you said gunning for dupage county board district four and I started running the summer after twenty sixteen. So I wasn't election judge because was too young to vote but still wondering get involved in. So I saw how people felt disaffected by the power of their vote after Hillary won the popular vote with the mafia look pro college. And after seeing the at a local level, we have only one democrat. When a see the eighteen board members, we buy only fifty votes, I decided that need to get more involved at a local level. And so the next summer twenty seventeen. I volunteered. The dupay democratic county party. And I walked with them across the county knocking on doors of every background and asking people to question. The first was what county issues you care about the second one is they knew who they could speak to that it, and I found that people really shared a lot of similar concerns. Similar worries high taxes as good roads at school, but they didn't know who to contact. And so I started attending county board beating myself I saw obviously the lack of democratic then tation, but also demographic, and we have four women out of eighteen board members and no people color, and we have no young people either. And so when names being floated for could run in my district at the end of the summer, I decided why not meet because I had spent the summer talking about issues that mattered and I knew what voters wanted solved. And so I thought that if I take that experience and my new perspective young college student to the board. Why shouldn't they and so that's how I got to wear and not just where you are now. But you've been endorsed now by everybody under the sun, Illinois. And you fit endorsed by Hillary Clinton, which is amazing. Yeah. And you've been on the cover of teen vogue. So there's that. Which though awesome. Thank you. Honestly, all the media always endorsements. They came after all the hard work. We put him because we are time, you know, hitting the ground hard knocking doors every background like I said talking to Democrats Republicans independent undecided voters and just asking them what issues were important to them and how to fix it. And I'm talking about issue based campaign, and I think having that platform resonate with so many people was what drew attention to our campaign, regardless of my age, my backyard, or the fact that I'm no job running in a traditionally conservative Christian area. I think our work was what made our campaign stand out. So you you talked a little bit about the the area where you are. I my husband grew up into page county, and has a dupage county democrat shirt that I think is older than you are. But what what are the kinds of you know, you talked a little bit about the makeup of the board. But what is the makeup of the this district? Look like, you know, in what what are people talking to you? When you see issues based what are the issues that they're the really worried about. So this county voted for Hillary Clinton, fourteen points in two thousand sixteen but at a local level like I mentioned before we only have one democrat. And so I think a lot of attention of folks the federal level on you know, Democrats, but we've failed to pay attention really to infrastructure. And then our county is fifty one percent female a corner of the population is made up of people of color. We have used we have a huge immigrant refugee population to page, and none of those voices are being accurately reflected right now in the makeup of the board. And so the priorities don't actually reflect those of real constituency page, and so our priorities. Like, I mentioned focus. Merrily on fiscal responsibility. We pay very high tax into page and they're not being properly. And I think a lot of people are a think a lot of people are surprised to hear the words. This ability come from a democrat, but you know, times or changing, and I think that using our tax dollars possibly isn't a partisan issue. Everyone should want them to use properly. It just mattered. We differ on what we think that for us for and so I wanna see investment actual constituent services things that people who live here, not just fattening Wallace a few people at the very top that include investing public transit make new implement environmental sustainable policies, making sure that we streamline government operation address, the opioid crisis in the suburbs and really put our resources and our money where it matters the most making sure don't pay lobbyists firm money to do our job for us and think field making the we take a salary cut to put that money towards actual. Services. And then making sure that we completely overhaul the contracts of something because we were teeny grant no-bid contract to vendors who happen to be campaign door. And so, you know, no one like corruption. No like cronyism in the government. And so I think having that combined message of cleaning out you page county and also investing and services make a very compelling arguments for why we're good campaign for what has the experience of campaigning been like for you. I know you had mentioned that you wear he job, and you're campaigning in a very sort of evangelical Christian area, I've been to Wheaton, and that's sort of what I think of when I think of Wheaton. So I'm wondering if you can talk a little bit about sort of what the experience has been and what the the reception to your campaign has been in your district. Yeah. So artist is actually more diverse than people realize. Yes, we have. We mean, you know, most churches per capita. I'm a US, and we have Glen ellyn Sorek who, you know, older more conservative area. We'll have good new heights and Carol stream and lumbar, and you know, majority minority communities who have never had the t from the deserve. You know, we have a lot of Democrats while move from immigrants living in those areas. And we've never had over it is for them. And so I think candidacy like I said are kind of nonpartisan message has been able to read true to a lot of people, regardless of their background. And so I've been able to canvass and talk to people who've had a ton of Jesus statues in their front yards and get their votes. I've talked to GDI Peter Breen Bruce Rosner supporters who have pledged to vote for us. And it also spoken to Democrats who are like, you know, blue straight ticket democrat. And so our candidate has been very and we've had very unique experiences for sure but over. Overall than than very positive. I was out canvassing in Kane county today and yesterday so not too far from two page. And it seemed like the the energy is just it's it's really picked up. It's really incredible. But people Democrats are just so excited about this election. I know everyone we talked do as super positive has. It seemed as time has gone on since you first started this to, you know, more recent canvassing has it felt like the energy has shifted at all. I definitely think that people have become more receptive to receiving political messaging at all. I mean 'cause we've been things like last January, and so people would open the door and say, why are you walking for something that's happening in November? And so, you know, even before the primary we're walking then right afterwards. His whole summer people, isn't that election November? Why are you at my door but ever since then people open the door, and they're willing to have long commerce. Sation about one of the planning on voting with their voting for what they done the path their motivation behind it and people are really opened up in recent weeks. And I think that's been honestly just a treasure to be even in the rain today. Yeah. We actually got a ton of people because no one wants to be out in this. But we were so we were out walking the rain on talk to a lot of people so good so one part of your platform than I think is really interesting is your position on the age of tobacco purchasing. You support a countywide ordinance to raise the age for buying tobacco from eighteen to twenty one. Which is surprising. Because normally you would think of younger candidates trying to get the age at which you can purchase things to be lowered. So I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about that part of your platform, and why that's important to you. Yeah. So this isn't a radical idea if implemented in the city of Chicago where commuter school it's been in to the neighbor roll my hometown of granola also to put it through. And I opened my campaign last August mustn't campaigning on this. And then two months later, the dupage county health department endorse the measure, and so this is a widely supported ordinance it would help cut the youth. We've like cut the youth McMurray and a half in past years when you wanna make sure keep that right down. And we've seen a rise in the negative health effects of tobacco and nicotine. We need. We understand the harm the harmful impact you can have. And I think that just making sure we're in line with popular public health ordinances is the best in the dupage county Gordon can do. And so this isn't but any mean a radical ordinance. It isn't a shocking proposal. And I just think it's honestly does a common sense thing that the dupage county board needs to put forward and actually push for because it in the best interest of every constituent. So I assume there's not a whole lot of polling out there for local races. Like this. Do you have any sense for kind of the what the election looks like going into Tuesday? You know, you're right. There's not a lot of polling for a local race. But they're public and have been pulley. Oh, haven't haven't been any of our competitors? But Republican party here a worried, and they're asking people how they feel and that just indicates that we have a very strong chance going to Tuesday, and I feel positive about the work you've done and all the effort we put in and we'll see Tuesday evening if it's been enough. If our message of unity and responsibility and transparency has been enough to win over the people were to page, so you're nineteen and every election cycle. There is. A whole bunch of wringing from people my age and older about why don't younger people vote. And how can we get yogurt people to vote in? What could we do to to increase people turn out? So I was wondering if you could tell us a little bit from your perspective. What advice you would have for older people in terms of how we can encourage younger people to vote and sort of help them do that. So I think making every election personal. And besides the fact that every person vote matters when it means influencing on effecting policy decisions that will impact our live for a very long time. That is the number one way to motivate young people to vote when it's hot weather talking about gun control and school shootings or climate change. And you know, the environment these issues manage young people, and I think we've been marginalized in the past we've been treated the only care about things like net neutrality like we care about, you know, we're just a multifaceted any other voting block. And I think tree. Young people have that and understanding that they're complex people who have obstacles and barriers to voting who maybe don't have motivation to vote because it seem the what's been happening. The past two years. I think this understanding that and recognizing that and then combat it by pointing up personal ways that every policy decision affect that young person's future is the best way to motivate them to get to the voting booth. So is there anything else people can do in this last day and a half before the election to to help your campaign? Yeah. So we're posting virtual Bank online. So if you'd like to make some calls for us in less, you days definitely do. So if you're English or he can get to our area you can come Canada. And then if not then, you know, find your own district near you, and canvas democrat all the help they can get and it comes down to his last few days, as I'm sure we'll do you know. All right. Excellent. Thank you so much. For talking with those after what I'm sure was a very long weekend of canvassing for you. And that's I I'm a bit in awe of the energy of nineteen year olds. Thank you. And we'll be rooting for your heart on Tuesday. Thank you, very much a real Khushi in it. All right. Thank you. Thanks for listening to to broads talking politics. Are theme song is called. Are. You listening off of the album elephant shaped trees by the band, EMU Newry, and we're using it with permission of the band our logo and other original artwork is by Matthew Westland and was created for use by this podcast.

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No Spin News: Best Of The Week, June 8 - June 11

Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis

41:24 min | 7 months ago

No Spin News: Best Of The Week, June 8 - June 11

"Are least today something we reported on yesterday, but this thing is just getting worse and worse and worse, and that is the purge in America if you do not agree. Or speak out against the far left, so we told you say nine hundred, thirty, six to nine, hundred, thirty, eight in the Soviet Union the dictator Josef Stalin developed a strategy. Called enemy of the people. And, if you were put into that category, enemy of the people stunk, and have you murdered or could put you in a Gulag Doodoo every? He wanted three million people. Got Designated as enemies three million people either disappeared or were killed. Now we'RE NOT GONNA kill anybody in America, as far as purges are concerned, but certainly this is happening in a very troubling way. I'm going to run down. Six examples just happened to the past twenty four hours. and. This is part of the purge at the far left now sees it has media approval, and here we go HBO Polls Gone With, The wind the movie gone with the wind winner of Eight Academy Awards including best picture done on HBO quote. Gone with the wind is a product of its time and depict some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that have unfortunately been commonplace in American society. These racist depictions were wrong then and are wrong today, and we felt that to keep this title up without an explanation and a denouncement of those depictions would be irresponsible on quote, so there's of course virtue signaling. By HBO, so we could take now anything in our culture movies books and burn them. If? They don't conform to today's sensibilities. So who did that? Well, I think the Nazis did that. Right burn the books Kristallnacht all of that. Sounded to. Okay, so gone with the wind your gone. See you thanks HBO. COPS paramount is canceled the series not for bad ratings. Be because it's about cops. Dot! Right University of Chicago. Economics professor Harold. German guy been for long time. Okay gaseous tenure. He's been at the universe. Chicago since two thousand seven. Everybody says a brilliant guy. I don't know. Anyway He. He had the temerity. To say quote. Too Bad but black lives matter per its core organization. Just torpedoed itself with its full fledged support of deform the police. said. That's all he said this professor that and it's absolutely true the backlash. Against the hey, police movement led by organization. Black lives matter. It's going to be ferocious. We haven't seen it yet. It's coming. So, the professor was correct. So a bunch of other professors led by a despicable guy out of the University of Michigan named Justin Wall offers and backed up by Paul Krugman. There's Walters and blocked by Paul Krugman of the New York. Times is one of the worst. Human beings I have ever met. I destroyed him. On CNBC. Got To be in the early. Part of the century, but what? Awful, so anyway, they WANNA. Hang this professor and he the professor apologize trying to save his job. Just like bread drew brees. I feel bad for both him and Mr. Praise Christopher Columbus statues one in Richmond. Virginia Hall down the other in Boston. beheaded. All Right, so we'll burn the books. We'll get the movies out of there now. Get to statutes down. Okay now a little bit about Christopher Club I don't know much about the man because nobody does. There were no reporters on the voyages. There was no basic primary source material. A far left zealot named Howard Zinn. ascribed, all kinds of atrocities to Christopher Columbus, but there's no backup fort. Maybe it happened I. Don't know the only primary source material is a Vatican museum. A letter from Christopher Columbus about his voyages to the new world I read it. It's benign. It's even complimentary. To the natives it, he encountered now subsequently, the date of tribes, and a caravan got brutalized by the Spanish explorers. There's no doubt about that but Chris Himself I. Don't know what he did because nobody does anyway. His statue's been beheaded in Boston and torn down in Virginia. The Communist mayor of New York City de Blasio. Ordered that five streets one in each borough of New York City. Be painted with the black lives matter slogan. Michigan State student. Government has endorsed when you hear this. has endorsed. Looting. Disintegration of capitalism. And an article that says you can't. Be Biased against white people. You can't no matter what you do to them. It's not biased. This is available. So the Michigan State Student government endorses all of these things. If I had a kid at Michigan state out of they're. Gone And you parents and grandparents and be very very careful where you send your children to school. Finally on pbs there is a documentary about the Black Panthers. Presto I guess they heard me. Say the Black Panthers Black. Panther Party. James Black lives matter operation. No difference none. We backed it up all day long. It is true PBS. Triton it out. Watch it tonight. Our report back tomorrow. So you see the per ch- you put out a tweet? You say anything in the office and don't please. At your workplace, don't say a word. Please I. Don't want you to get into trouble Lucia job or any of that it isn't worth it and I wouldn't tweet I. Tweet because I'm a journalist. Get stuff out, but if you're going to tweet and somebody like it. They're gonNA. Try to hurt you. So the purge is underway and who is fighting against the purge who? See any politician stand up I, guess I'm so good both parties. WHO. Your governor fighting against the purge. As long as these people led by the organization, black lives matter. Have a free fire zone. They're going to take down as many as they can forget about the entertainment industry. The media likes it. CNN endorses all this an at and T. own CNN. Like it. This is good. Will purify. This country. Get those races will find him gone with the wind. Hey. What books I can't wait to see what books get. Pulled out. And, not soul. You can't read them. Coming. Los Angeles is. Pretty much ground, zero full stuff. And the police department out there totally demoralized. The mayor's GonNa pull out of the money out of the police department, so really undermanned in La already undermanned so now a bloody pigs. Let's see it. was. Propped up against. A police station war. Nice. To that? That's really nice right. Homicides in La up two hundred and fifty percent in a week. To, fifty. You think American police officers. You respond to calls the way they did three weeks ago. You're crazy. They know they have no backup. Nobody protecting them. To fifty, in Brooklyn, New York last night, NYPD and a same spot, same spot one mistake you're done. You're done, not just fired. You could be arrested one mystic. Seven people shot. And wounded. In ten minutes. In Brooklyn. Monday night. Seven people shot and wounded separate incidents, not all once. No arrests have been made. Gang. I'm sure you're all getting it. I'm sure you're all understanding how bad this country is right now. The good news is I don't think it's going to stay this way. Because I've seen it too much. We reach a low point. And then there's a backlash. In Politics Joe Biden and I have a column. Where there's a will I hope you read it. Tell you exactly what happens if Joe. Biden is elected president exactly. The main problem with the former vice president is he's not going to stand up against. Black lives, matter or the other extremist groups. He will not do it. Won't stand up against Pelosi or Schumer or any of that define. The police Joe doesn't like it. He doesn't like it. And I believe that. I think that goes against whatever core beliefs he has left. Many left, but that. I don't think Joe Likes. And the polls show that eighty percent of Americans don't like. But Anyway, by in the middle of all, this racial tension spends one million six hundred thousand dollars on political ads. I, won't traffic in fear and division. Fan The flames of Hey. I'll seek to heal the racial wounds that have long plagued our country, but used it for political. I'll do my job and I will take responsibility. I won't blame other. I promise you. This job was not about me. You. You see by non the knee. Okay so. He's exploiting the situation for political reasons. Joe Biden. News no doubt about it. Does that offend me, The Republicans are going to explain the situation to. Bad behavior justifies other bad behavior. No. But I'm not all that concerned about Biden's exploitation, but that's what he's doing. What I am very interested in is his record. and. We're going to have a little bit more on that tomorrow. But as everyone knows, he was in office with Barack Obama for eight years. All right to let's factually not emotionally not with any agenda. I wrote the column, so you would know. And you can send it to people who might vote for Joe Biden. And they're not gonna be able to say when you read my column. Oh. This wouldn't have it will. We back it up. There were four major racial incidents in Barack Obama's two terms all right. The first one was Trayvon Martin. This happened on February. Twenty six two twelve Sanford Florida. He was shot while walking around the neighborhood by George Zimmerman. And this is a very upsetting situation. Polarize the country. and. President Obama weighed in. said that Trayvon Martin could have been his son. All right Zimmerman twenty-eight trayvon seventeen. Then, there was Michael Brown Ferguson Missouri incident. Where the? Eighteen year old Brown. Reached into a police car, causing a twenty eight year old white police officer Darren Wilson shoot them get. That ignited riots and protests all over the place. Eric Garner New York City. COPS got him for selling illegal cigarettes. He resisted cops through to this street. And, he died. In a choke hold. The police. Were not prosecuted grand jury the. Da of Manhattan wanted to prosecute them. Grand jury would indict very unusual. The lead officer in that case was fired. Pantaleo! Finally Freddie Gray Dope dealer in. Baltimore taken into custody at all kinds of. Pre existing conditions as is common for a heroin addict. Are you had a knife. Cops Room in a van. Put handcuffs on him and he died. Don't do. All right. The cops were all tried for murder. They were acquitted and the US. Government declined to bring civil rights charges. All right now. Barack Obama. I thought handling himself pretty well. In those cases, a lot of people disarray didn't like them. Saying about Trayvon Martin and I had no problem with that. Here is the most important thing. In my opinion. The President Obama sit and a cap, and after the Freddie Gray, Baltimore Situation Go. My thoughts are with the police. Officers were injured. In last night's disturbances. It underscores that's tucked up. And we have to keep that in mind, and my hope is that they can. Go. He'll and get back to work as soon as possible. For number three. There's no excuse for the kind of that we saw yesterday. It is counter productive. When individuals get crowbars, start prying open doors to. Loot? They're not protesting. They're not making a statement. They're stealing. When they burn down a building. They're committing arson. and. They're destroying and undermining. businesses and opportunities in their own communities. that. Rob. Jobs and opportunity from. People in that area. So. It is entirely appropriate that. The Mayor of Baltimore I, spoke to yesterday and the governor. Who I spoke to yesterday. work to stop. That kind of senseless. Violence and destruction. And is not a protest. I thought that was an excellent excellent statement. Now Today. President Obama say that. I don't believe he could. Democratic Party his party then hijacked by far left. Militant people want to overthrow the government. On a banish capitalism. Right, one pose a insane kind of criminal justice system where criminals are not punished because their victims, the criminals victims. Of Slavery and other inequities history. So, everybody asks. What did Joe Biden and Barack Obama do? In their eight years. To improve the situation, of African Americans legitimate question when you say. Now I followed that administration as closely as anybody. And I interviewed. Prisoner Obama three times, and I hope you google interviews with the toughest interviews he's ever done. Joe Biden was afraid. To say with me, he admitted to me. He wasn't going to do it. But, I know what the Obama Biden Administration did. And they tried. To improve situations. Of Blacks they did they tried and they failed. The reason they fell was. It was all about money. Not About. Discipline and fairness. That's what it has to be about. So go back. From last week's column about education, that's the only way. That income inequality will be solved. Not by giving people stuff. But Barack Obama and Joe Biden. They wanted to give people stuff in the hopes. It would be elevated and it did not work. COULD HURT Many Americans. So in the eight years, the tour an office means tested entitlements. That's food stamps and housing and Medicaid anything personally improve. Your fortunes rose sixty percent. Up to seven hundred and ten billion dollars a year. Sixty percent rise. In eight years on means titled. Means entitlement okay? Food Stamp. When? Barack Obama took office, thirteen million homes were receiving food stamps when he left forty million. Because he made it easier. For Americans to get food stamps. Okay. FEDERAL ANTI-POVERTY, spending All right. That is everything. Up Fifty six percent you tie that into the sixty is the same. Thing, but there are a few subtle differences. In addition to the massive amount. Of tax money. That flowed into the African American precincts primarily. Hispanics. Poor whites, they, did. Food stamps to, but it was primarily. African Americans benefit. So twenty million under obamacare. Got Free Healthcare Most of those. Are Black. So you can see this is what? The, Obama Administration. That was their strategy. Now one other thing. My brother's keeper and this was the biggest tragedy of all. That is a mentor program. Will you take very successful? People. And you match them. With younger teenagers, and they mentor them all the way on through. My brother's keeper. Fantastic program. If, we could get that up on a national level and I tried I'll tell you about it someday, but. I don't want to be careful about what I do here when I tell you about it, so thinking about it, but I tried to get this into the forefront of every American home. My brother's keeper program is a key. If you can get all the successful people. And mentor them up with kids. You can really make a difference. Obama, try. And he got it done. Maybe ten percent. Of what I think he could have done. If I asked you. About brother's keeper I don't think the vice-president. Even know what it is. Maybe I'm wrong. I'll never get the chance because he'll never sit for me. So summing up. The Obama Administration tried to help African Americans and other minorities and poor people in this country. Needed they felt. And in the process. They hurt the American economy. Which of course hurt minorities. Trump came in trump revamped. Konami exploded. Lowest unemployment for blacks and minorities in. History! Until the coronavirus hit. On a personal level on his social front. There wasn't any improvement between black and white relations in this country, eight years of our first black president. That's not his fault. It's not his fault. He tried he didn't take the right path. He should have revamped the entire public school system I. Just give you one. Every kid in this country. Should be in a school uniform every day. They're in class. You send a signal. This is school. It's not the Lloyd. You're going to have a discipline. Is that hard. No The Kate can't afford a uniform. The state will buy it. Re vamp the public school system. From Pre K. to senior in high school. The kids are not learning. Look at Baltimore. Look at New York City highest per capita student spending rate in the world in New York. And, most of the kids can't do math write a sentence. You are more money, Andrew Cuomo from what. So. He can throw it away like you did all the other money. But you'll never hear. The Democrat politicians go up against. The teachers unions. Ever. You'll never hear them. Say Yeah. We have discipline in the schools, so the kids learn and the disruptive kids. They go to other schools where they can be therapeutically treated. The, parents, the parents I don't have parents many of them. Many the poor children. They had responsible parents. They know how to read, but a tiny six. Time it was six years old. I can't tell you how many homes I've been in forty five years of reporting I. Walk into a House is not one book, and the House Not a book now one. It's just unbelievable. You're not gonNA be able to do with parents. You're not going to be able to do a Tony. African Americans hey seventy five percent of out of birth. Out of wedlock births. That's not a good thing. To look at you like eight none of Your Business. because. That's exactly what's happening. They're GONNA be able to force anybody to do anything, but you can clean up those schools. And Barack, Obama should have. Now. He took advantage of the school system. He didn't have a father father split. Ray Grandparents and why? But he worked his way up. He knows. He knows how hard it is, but it can be done. But he didn't do it. And therefore white Americans who don't live in this world. And don't have shared experiences. I explained yesterday. They don't understand why cycle of crime and poverty continues many of them. And it doesn't have anything to do with money. It has to do with learning. And values and hard work. This is a capitalist society. I know the loons WanNa tear that the pieces. We're seeing right now. But as long as we're a capitalist society where you compete, you gotTa know something. Or fix something or have a skill. Tomorrow. I'M GONNA. Get a little bit deeper into Biden. Himself wanted to give you Obama because Biden was along for that ride, but again very important. If you care about your country, you've read my column. Okay where there's a will and send that column out. To others. Corona virus are Madonna the pharmaceutical company says in July. They're gonNA start final testing. On a vaccine. I told you I. Do believe we will have that vaccine by for. Could be wrong. Obviously I'm speculating but I believe it. Georgia flat! So, Georgia, which opened up everything. Doing well. Texas not. Texas yesterday, almost two thousand new cases. I. Don't know what the problem is there, but there's a problem. Okay, so we talked about political ramifications of this. One of them. Is that three very well respected military people have turned on Donald Trump. Colin Powell. James Mattis former secretary of defense and John Kelly former chief staff. All three. Have turned on Donald Trump. Here's General Powell. I'm very close to Joe Biden unassociated matter and on a political matter. I've worked with him for thirty five forty years, and he is now the candidate and I will be voting for him. All right pal did not vote for trump. Last around Powell doesn't like trump. And Mattis and Kelly despised Donald Trump. It's all personal with these guys. And they may have good reasons to despise him. They might I don't know. I don't know I wasn't there, but I know it's all personal. Because these guys saying well trump threatens to bring in the military, and that's unconstitutional number one. That's not true, and they know it all three generals. No, it's not true. Donald trump could bring in the military if he thinks. They are necessary, and it was done in nineteen sixty seven in Detroit. President Johnson brought the eighty second and one one airborne divisions to quell riots. There was one thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight after the SAS initial Martin Luther King again LBJ brought in the US military to protect the capital. Washington DC and it was done by Bush, the elder. After the Rodney King riots in La. He brought in the military. So. What Donald Trump initially said was if the governors and mayors cannot protect. The people in their states and cities than I will. And I'll bring in the military to do it. That seems to be pretty logical to me. If the governor and mayor can't or won't protect you. Live in wherever you are. The president is last line. As Harry Truman said the buck stops here. Everybody knows that he has the power to do it. He didn't do it. But if say the Lincoln Memorial. Were being dismantled in DC and the mayor, ardent leftist and hates trump. Ordered her people not to stop it. Yeah, trump's GONNA. Bring in the military to stop it. Not going to allow it. So again this is not what it seems to be. Mattis and Kelly and Powell Despise Donald Trump. They think he's bad for the country. That's fine with me. That's Noor Opinion. They've served country honorably. All three men have. But don't tell me it's based on a bogus thing that he's not allowed to use the military. That's not true. Be Straight up. General Mattis said I. Don't like them. I work with them, and I don't like them and here's. Why give you this bogus constitution stuff? Washington Post a hate trump outfit. Took a very benign statement by the president and lied about it. I. President Statement Go. Equal Justice under the law. Must, mean that every American receives equal treatment. In every encounter with law enforcement regardless of race color gender creed. They have to receive fair treatment. From. Law Enforcement, but they to receive it. We also what happened last week. We can't let that happen. Hopefully Georgia's looking down right now. Say great thing that's happening for our country. The drive toward equal justice is what the president was referring to. Okay. Obviously, That's why he invoked George Floyd's name. The Washington Post reported. That trump was saying George. Floyd would've liked the resurgence in the economy. That is a lie. That's what was in the newspaper and got out to cable. News everywhere, you may have heard it. Then the Washington Post was confronted with a lie and had a issue. This retraction quote. A previous version of this story incorrectly said that the president called the jobs report a great day for George Lloyd. The black man killed by white police in Minneapolis in fact, the president was referring to growing calls for equal justice under the law unquote. Okay. Now Washington Post doesn't make mistakes like that. The reporter involved is Jeff Stein. WHO HATES TRUMP? What is Stein doing on the economic beat if he hates trump? That's the problem. I just can't tell you the corruption that we're all witnessing in this country. The journalist Andrew Sullivan. And he really encapsulated in a tweet quote. The truth is a critical mass of mainstream. Journalists do not want to reflect a report on anything that they might disagree with they see opposing views, violence, and the attempt at objectivity, a cover for white supremacy. They are a disgrace. That's exactly what's happening. If you dissent, they'll tear you to pieces like they did with drew brees. This Day in history. Okay, this is really interesting. Fifty seven years ago. John F. Kennedy addressed the nation about race go. Out of the question is. Whether all Americans, I'd be afforded equal rights. and equal opportunities. Whether we are going to treat Othello, Americans as we want to be treated. If an American. Because! It's getting dark. CanNot eat lunch in a restaurant open to the public. If, he cannot send his children. The Best Public School available. If. He cannot vote. For the public officials who represent him. If in, he cannot enjoy the full and free life which all of us want. And among with content. have the color of his skin changed? And stand his place. Among I would then be content. With a council, the patients and delay. Alright so since JFK gave that address fifty seven years ago. Today things have on paper anyway, improve or African Americans a lot. And Lyndon. Johnson did a lot to make that habit. He booted it with the Vietnam War Johnson. Civil Rights legislation was strong. Now getting, you're never going to change everybody's heart. There will always be bigotry always. With Kennedy started it and the reason he chose today June eleven to do it. was because hours before he gave that nationwide address the despicable George Wallace the former governor of Alabama who was. Paralyzed by an assassin's bullet stood in front of the doorway. After the federal order to integrate. The schools in Alabama at the University of Alabama. All Right! Governor Wallace said. No, we'RE NOT GONNA. Let Blacks into the University of Alabama inconceivable of course today, so I wanted to bring that to your attention. It all happened fifty seven years ago. So we're GONNA, take a quick break, and then we're gonNA, come back with some really good mail. And we are going to do a final thought on anger. Are you angry? I bet you are a little bit angry. Address that. CONCIERGE member Wayne Way to go Wayne. CONCIERGE members are are elite O'Reilly dot com. Time for all good citizens have. To find a new home to say in history is it is an you know you and I are? On that firer, Minneapolis resident I'm gone. But I would move out of the area is a Nice Area I. just go to a suburb with the cities under control. James, another concierge remember. Thank you James Minority fans. Cabinet member would be an excellent move. Be Done soon. I agree president, trump should've already done it. But he has. Why. John Amana Palm. Harbor Florida. I agree the Donald Trump should enlist the services someone to head a minority relations office in his cabinet. My nominee would be shelby steele brilliant man. I think he's a doctor. Dr Steele is out at the Sanford is to California. Good Choice. I remain. Convinced Andrew Young With his prestige in the African American community be the best choice. Brian! Bill angry about the entire drew brees situation he was forced to apologise seems world of twitter. that. Many people are angry about the apologies wealth. You gotta Let. Drew brees do what he thinks his right. As I explained. Lisa details of George Ford's life. Do not matter. Bringing them up will not help anything. We dive matter. That's the problem I agree hundred percent. What Mr? Floyd didn't pass, not matter. In this case. Nick Benson Wilmington North Carolina I was reading an article about a Senate hearing and encountered the phrase. The committee voted along party lines I've seen so many times before senator so clueless that they only vote. Along party lines if you are an elected official in the house or the Senate and you go against your, party. You going to suffer. Financially. Keep that a month. Kurt Perleberg Williamstown Kentucky. When will fans be allowed to return sporting events I think football fans. Up into football I'm not sure. I think August. I knew if the Cova doesn't reappear. If it continues to diminish, that might be the line of demarcation. Ruled Lucky Greenwich Connecticut, your. Advice prison on dealing with the current race crisis is spot on bill eleven, I wonder if the advice would be better received privately. you'd have to call me. And the president spoke to him in a while I'm not gonNA call prison in the United States and tell them stuff. You'd have to seek me out. I give him the advanced privately, but publicly. It's just as good. I think. My Mother Glen Ellyn Illinois. Is there an organization you would recommend? That helps underprivileged kids. Big Brothers big sisters of America. I was a big brother. Excellent Organization. Marco's Evelyn Western Florida excellent format love the way you pick and explain what is important in the news. What is important to you? What is important to you Marcos? That's what we do here. All Right? That is exactly what we do here. and. 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I don't see as liberals doing this liberals new, and that there are people I don't respect. On the left, but there are people respect on the right. People who exploiting? have point of view for money, and I know they are. You may or may not know the arm, not gonNA name names. Nobody can look into anybody's heart, but. What I think this is all about is media corruption. So the media's not telling you about black lives, matter and that telling you about it. And I'll tell you about any of this because they like it, they want. The whole thing to be disrupted, but here is the bottom line on all of these protests. There, happening because Donald, trump was elected president, and once that happened the radical left, so we don't want any more freedom. We don't want any more debate. We don't want any more any of that. Win a wipe it all out. Just like Joe Stalin did going to wipe it out, and anybody goes up against going to destroy their life, because if we have open dialog and freedom of Expression Donald Trump. He reelected A. We don't want any of that. That's what's going on and the poor Geor- George Floyd and his family. They're using them. To do this. Guys have a great weekend I'm checking in a Bill O'Reilly. Dot Com on a regular basis? Please I hope you. Do too, and we'll talk again soon.

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The scoop on journalism (Prove It: Part 3)

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The scoop on journalism (Prove It: Part 3)

"You're listening to brains on. We're serious about being curious brains on supported them part by a grant from the National Science Foundation. Honey, I'm home. Dealer and flowers, goldfish darling. You like it. Who doesn't like a nice romantic dinner with their handsome claim plus been thoughtful old fish, you forgot? No, I didn't forget how could I forget my hubby's birthday look clam. I got you. This file folder. It's Manila, your favorite color. It's not my birthday site. I know it's not your first day. That was a joke. What kind of a lame if does a file folder anyway. Well. Happy that one time it's our anniversary. Oh, right. How could you? It's our first aniversary is an aquatic married couple. Does that ring on your thin? Me? Nothing. Wait. I'm just a fish. We have terrible memories. We can only remember things for like three seconds. It's just a fact it's not my fault. Wait. Is that true? Yeah, yeah. It's totally true. It's it's science, US Fish. We don't remember anything. Where am I right now? I don't even remember. Are you who's that? Handsome hunk of a clam holding those flowers are. Those are me. I can't stay mad at Ugalde. Those cute gills those stunning scales, your beautiful black, unblinking eyes. Look. Let's just enjoy this dinner together. I'll go get the sparkling white brine. Shelley Mark this date on my calendar next year anniversary with clam, do not for get. Also Shelly. When is clams birthday. This is brain on, welcome to part three of our series prove it how to find the facts, check out parts one and two. If you haven't. Let's do it. Then task. Say feels dry, but that's just shine a light. We can. Let's check the facts in. We can prove it. Let's check the facts. This is brains on from American public media. I'm your host Wally bloom, and my co-host for this series is twelve year old Katie from Fairfield, Connecticut. Hi Katie. Hi, in this series, we've been talking about different ways. We humans fine facts about our world. Last time we tackled science, and today we're talking journalism, the news business, mass media, the press will be explaining more about the history of newspapers, and we'll ask some journalists about their jobs. Plus, you know the mystery sound, the moment of all the good stuff. Katie, you love reading news. Do you want to be a journalist when you grow up? Yes, I love journalism and I think it would be a really cool job. I get to research stuff and all that. So what are your favorite types of news stories to read as a news consumer? I love reading international stories because they love to know what's going on about the in the world. Okay. So fish, do they have a three second memory? That's what our friend Joe was curious about. High brings on. I'm Joe and I'm twelve. I'm from Reno. Nevada, do fish brains, and I heard they have three second memory. Is that true by Linda q. fact, checker and journalist at the New York Times is back to help us see if this is true. Welcome back, Linda. Thanks. So is it true? That fish only have three second memory that's not true on. There's actually a lot of research that shows that fish have way longer memories. Sometimes they can last for months. So I'll give you a couple examples. There was a study in nineteen ninety four where scientists trained goldfish to pull a lever one hour every day in order to get food over several weeks when the lever stopped giving out food, the fish still remember to pull the lever and what time to pull that lover. There was another study in two thousand sixteen scientists used an Archer fish, which is a fish that can. Shoot water, and they trained this Archer fish to shoot water at a picture of a human face and they gave the the fish pellets of food afterwards as a reward. A couple of days later scientists then introduced pictures of different human faces, but the fish could actually remember which human it was supposed to shoot water at. That's a really funny experience. Awesome. Well, there you go. So they do have long memories than just three seconds? Yeah, wait a minute. How does it goldfish Pulo level. So from the videos I watch, it looks like they just kind of like bump into it. So more like bumble. Yeah. So for this fact, how did you check this one out? So again, I started with a global search and a led me to a couple of different news articles about scientific research. I've been conducted and then I went ahead and read the articles myself. How how long does it usually take you to check a fact? That depends. Some things are pretty easy to fact checks can get it in a couple of seconds. Other times it can take hours or even days. One of my longest fact checks it took me about a week and a half to do because I had to go to the library of congress and poll archival material and converted from microfilm to PDF's and just look at everything there. So that took a very long. Well, thank you so much for checking this fact for us today. Thanks for being here. You're welcome. I just got a news alert on my phone. What does it say? Breaking news sanded is coming to blow minds with history that can't be right. Oh, it is right. Molly Sandon. Where did you come from? I was just hiding in the trash can, but that's not important. What is important is history and I'm here to give you some wow, that trash smell is really strong like spoiled cottage cheese, run, pumpkin alward, dramatic entrance. Look, I'm here to tell you how journalism as we know it came to be. So in a first in the series, I told you how the printing press brought facts and information to a wide audience. Right? And you said publishing small papers. Pamphlets became really popular around the revolutionary war in America. Exactly. So that's where all pick up the story. It's seventeen seventy. Five and the colonists are stoked. Here you, we've made the British Laura's over. We have free to start our own nation. Anyone know exactly how to stone the nation. Is there like a manual or like cheat sheet or something way out of my depth here they wake up in the morning, they defeated the biggest empire in the world. Okay. Now what do we do? That's Andy Tucker. A journalism professor at Columbia University, we, we've got this country. We're supposed to organize, how are we going to do that? And he says, at the time, there were two major political parties. The federalists and the democratic Republicans both had a grand vision for how to raise his baby democracy, secure Crecy. Excuse me. The problem was their visions for pretty different fresh news here we federalists came up with the best way to form a new government. Read all about it in our paper. Breaking story. We democratic Republicans invented and even better way of doing things better than the federalists by our paper for the story. Oh, yeah. Well, breaking news, we federalist saw the democratic Republicans plan and it's a flaming pile of hogwash. What's up to our last edition, federal ideas found to be pure Wales, not and their editor is a festering bus. Jewel poll says, our paper, you're editor is a p Breen horse, bef- liquor your to believe he would call each other means lager headed booby adult cats, Paul, this is editors talking about each other, but you bought the newspaper, you supported the newspaper that supported your point of view. So not exactly the objective journalism we strive for today. I'll say so when did things begin to change? It took some time. Let's fast forward a few decades to the eighteen thirties. Cities like New York are becoming these massive communities. There are no cars. People use horses to get around. It's dirty and smelly, but also bustling and full of newcomers from Europe and rural America wanna know all about their new home. So some publishers start printing papers all about life in a city. They're cheap often just a penny and Andy Tucker says he's papers cover a lot more than just politics, and it gives you all this cool stuff to know about your city. It tells you about the murders in the scandals. It tells you about the woman who was who was arrested because she was smoking a cigar in the street. It tells you about down in the battery. There was a tree and had sixty wild pigeons in it, and people are thrilled about this for the first time, newspapers are telling ordinary people facts about their daily lives at a price that Ford. Mary people can buy it. Wait Santon. Did she say a tree had sixty pigeons in it? I'd read about that. Yeah, me too. I know, right? That was the point. These papers made money by lowering in as many readers as possible, and one reporter who was great at getting readers and telling really important stories was woman named Nellie bly. She just moved to New York from Pittsburgh where she got fed up with covering flower shows and new raincoats and things like that. That's Brooke Kroger, a professor of journalism at New York University and author of the book Nellie bly daredevil reporter feminist. She really wanted to cover real news things that made a difference. I mean, flowers coats are fine, but there's injustice in the world and someone needs to shed light on it. I guess that someone is me Nellie bly. Nilly uncovered poor conditions for women. In prisons, she described poverty in Mexico and reported on crooked politicians early in her career. She heard of rumor that patients in a New York mental hospital were being mistreated. I wanted to see it for myself, but the only way to get it was to get locked in. So I pretended to be mentally ill. She practiced in a mirror. She moved into a women's boardinghouse downtown and she began to act very, very strangely. It wasn't easy, but I was determined. I barely spoke to anyone. I pretended to forget where I was from even refused to sleep. I sat up all night with a dead. Look in my eyes, everyone with spooked when she got to the boarding house. She just kept saying, I need my trunks. I need my trunks. I need my trunks in her big suitcases trunks. I need my trunks and people just thought. She was, you know, quite looney. It worked. She was locked up and she saw all kinds of abuse in the hospital living conditions. There were terrible to her newspaper was in on this plan. So they eventually bailed her out. And when people read her report, they were outraged politicians vowed to improve the mental hospital. There was actually a real result, the sort of things we like to seem newspapers accomplish. So that was a pretty big deal. It's all part of the job now, aren't you glad I wasn't stuck covering fashion shows and Stater Nellie was part of a growing tradition of journalists, helping those in need. But soon, the news business would suffer an embarrassing scandal that would reshape the world of journalism. I'll be back with that in a minute. Wow, it's fun to bench all this history yet. Hey, you know what? Rhymes with history, what mystery as in it's time for the. Here it is. K. k. D. And he guesses. What that sound might be. I think it sounds like a printer shooting out paper. Excellent guests. We're going to be back a little later in the show with the answer. Do you have a mystery sound to shave or question only on cancer, or maybe you wanna share drawing of clam and goldfishes romantic anniversary dinner. We'd love that. So get in touch. Just go to Don dot org slash contact be like Julia, who sent us this question. Tailbone, but no tail. Good question so good. In fact, that will be entering it in a moment of stick around for that and to hear the latest group of curious kids to join the elite ranks of the brain's honor roll. These, the fans send us ideas questions and drawings, and also make our day by being the best. And if you love brains on, please help keep the show going where nonprofit supported by our France. What's a friend? I made it up. It means a friend who who's also a fan. That's how we think of our listeners Flynn's. I like it. So please help us out with the donation of any amount. Larger small, I show scrappy as ours. It really makes a difference. Just go to brains on dot, org slash donate. Thanks. Thanks. Chance. Hello brains on listeners. We want to tell you about another great kid show that we're guest starring on this week. It's called chompers dentist. Say kids are supposed to brush their teeth twice a day every day for two minutes. So chompers makes those two minutes. Fun jumpers is full of jokes songs, riddles quizzes stories and more to make sure to time flies by and that kids brushed properly every time make brushing time. Easy with chompers every morning and every night look for chompers on apple podcasts at Gimblett media dot com. Slash chompers or wherever you listen, this is brains on. I'm Molly dime. Katie, and today will all about journalism Santon you telling us about the newspapers in the US during the late eighteen hundreds. Yeah. As I mentioned, some of those papers were heading for an epic fail. What do you mean? Well, you know, these papers needed a lot of readers to make money. So to keep people buying. Some of them started stretching the truth. They did something called sensationalizing the news that means to take a story and make it way more exciting or scandalous than it actually is to get readers. Extracts. Ours goes listening in New York paper. Read all about it. Anybody goes missing. I mean, horse horses, horse, snap in New York. Any of your horses could be next horse snapped, oh, dear. I'll take a copy of that paper. I need to read up so I can protect my horse to. Here's my money. Take my money. Yes. Now not all newspapers did this, but towards the end of the eighteen hundreds, it got really bad in New York. Sometimes these papers, sensationalized crimes or scandals, and in eighteen ninety eight. They sensationalized something called the Spanish American war. Here's journalism historian, Andy, Tucker. Again, this is a very small scale war in which the Cubans are revolting against the Spanish who have controlled the island. The United States gets involved to help. It's a very fast war. The United States has has enormous firepower defeats the span the Spanish very quickly, but the sensational newspapers in New York. They see this as crate story. It's going to get people to buy their newspapers. Well, they, they made up stuff. They lied. It was really sensational. There's a backlash against this and many people are starting to think we can do a lot better. One of those people was Joseph Pulitzer. He ran a paper called the New York World. He felt bad about what is paper published during the war. So he decided to help change things. He founded school that opened in nineteen twelve the Columbia journalism school. That's where Andy Tucker teaches. Just a few years earlier, the Missouri school journalism opened up. These were some of the first formal schools to teach reporters how to be fair and ethical. So the beginning of the twentieth century, there is a real movement toward reforming a lot of what was awful about journalism. That's where you see the beginnings of the idea that journalists should be responsible should strive for fair play should be impartial, should try not to take sides and not to be opinionated. This is a new value. We now criticize all sorts of journalism for not being objective, but that would not have been an issue until just about one hundred years ago that. That idea took hold in the beginning of the twentieth century in response to the idea that if you're going to give people information that they can use to make their own decisions, you should try to give them the whole story. Obviously, a lot changes over the next one hundred years people put out news on the radio and eventually on TV newspapers, pop up all over the globe and reporters, prince stories that changed the course of history because it turns out fair. In fact, based news is a powerful tool when people know the news and trust what they're hearing, they can make good decisions. And that's what it's all about. Thanks Endon. Yeah, thanks a lot. My pleasure. Now I need to go take a shower this, this trash smell just is not going away. Yeah, that's a good idea. Brands on, of course, news is always changing and over the last twenty years, there were some major changes. Thanks to internet. We'll talk more about that in our next episode. Plus we'll give you tips on how to protect yourself from bad info. I'm healthy shot. I'm eleven years old in the publisher of the orange street news didn't when Healy started her paper at the age of seven, it really did just focus on the news of her street or in St.. Now, four years later, the orange street news is a small monthly newspaper that covers the news of her whole town sealants of Pennsylvania hill. The is the publisher meaning she prints and distributes the newspaper as well as its reporter kilby's. These usually the one doing the interviews, but she agreed to let us interview her last week. How do you find the stories that you report on? Usually, I mean, bike or walk around, ask people like, have you seen anything interesting or stuff like that? And you know what times all get to like someone told me something from that. But other times if I can't find anything that way than sometimes people Email me tips but usually walking around enough people questions works. Once I get the tip all usually do like in interview, so I'll just ask them like five questions like basically the who, what where? Why like that? Those types of questions just to figure out like me, you like what happened? And after that, all the smart home and all or a walk-through cafe in all, sit down in all dislike, right onto story. Do you interview more than one person for a story? Sometimes, you know. Both times it's more than one person, but sometimes it will be that one person has all of the information I need to know. But usually you'll be like people. So what makes a good story? What do you look for in the stories that you choose to include in the paper? Mainly I like to report on like crime or or mysteries because well, like income stories basically like a puzzle in your putting all the pieces to together. And that's so much fun for me. What would you say is the difference between like a news report and like gossip around the neighborhood? Like what is the difference news report is like and more a lot more factual as gossip is something that's being dislike spread around by people talking to each other. And what is your favorite story you've reported on? I gotta tip that somewhat someone's house was almost robbed in ceilings girls. So in I heard who's on my block, so I walked around in knocked on every door might block until someone was like, oh, yeah, I know which house that is. So I went to that hap- that house. And they basically said that day were almost dropped in someone had broken. In in, but the dog had scared the intruder away. And why is that your favorite story? Well, it was my first real like almost like crime story. So in also it was a really hard to get story. Like I, it took a wild do and in a lot of hard work, but it it made me feel so -ccomplish. Nice finish in the really cool. What is your favorite part of reporting? Well, my favorite part is like I love interviews. I'm interviewing people like some people stood for some people surviving that they like the most. But for me, I love interviewing people. It still much fun and what your lease report. I don't know that the hard one. I don't think our have one. That's awesome. In addition to writing news stories, Hilty also has written a book series called Kildee cracks the case. There are five books right now and a sixth one on the way she's real life store. She's ported on as inspiration for the series of fiction. Hilty is driven to find out about the stories that are important to the small community where she lives, but what's it like to report on national or international stories to find out? We have David Farren fold here. He's been a porter at the Washington Post since two thousand welcome David, but you so David, after hearing how Hillary report stories, what similarities do you see in her work to the work that you do as a reporter? A lot of similarities, the the most important thing she talked about is sort of separating news from gossip. She talked about how you you can hear something from somebody, but if they didn't hear it directly from the source of direct knowledge of what happened that that conversation is just the starting point, you don't really have your story yet. You know where you might go look for a story. So a lot of our job is trying to hearing things that other people have heard that may or may not be true, and then trying to figure out figure out a way to prove them to figure out what's actually true going looking for either people who have direct knowledge of what happened. Or try to find something like a government document or some other sort of like physical proof that the story's true. That's one thing. The other thing is the what the process you described. Knocking on a lot of doors talking to a lot of people working really hard just to get one story, and that's that's life of reporter, whether you're reporting on crime stories or your reporting on politics. What does it mean to be objective? Objective to me means that you don't go into a story knowing what you want the story to say at the end, right? You don't have an outcome or a a bias in the story before you even start objective to me means you come in and you do all the reporting you can. And then you look at the facts and the facts. Tell the story you stick to the facts. You follow the facts and you don't let your what you want the story to be influenced, what the story actually is. So what sorts of ethical standards to reporters use it in their jobs? One would be the ethics we have to the readers. And so part of that is, you know, what do we owe to readers? We all readers to be objective, and we also. Loaded, the readers that we're going to be truthful, that we've made every effort to figure out if we've reporting is true and we've chased every lead that shows us the reporting is true or also also leads point in the other direction. There's another set of ethics that governs how we deal with the people who are mentioned in our stories, the people write about. And so that means some really basic things like if you're going to write about somebody, you always give them a chance to tell their story. You know, even I read a lot about folks that never call me back. Never respond to my questions, but every time you have to give them the chance there, you're gonna write a story about them. You have to give them the chance to speak for themselves and tell their side of the story as a lot of will going into to make sure everything's fail. Absolutely. That makes reporting really hard. Sometimes trying to think about every angle in his story, everybody in the industry have treated this person fairly accurately portrayed what they said and what they think. But that's the only way to do it. You know, you realize when you a story that I write once it goes up online once it come out. Comes on the paper if it mentioned somebody in there, that's that's with them for life. You know, they, they'll, they're affected by it when it comes out and they're affected by twenty years later when somebody googles. So you have responsibility to make sure that if you have that kind of influence on people's lives that you're, you're being fair and being accurate, what do you enjoy most about your job? Thing I enjoy. Most of my job is is actually the same thing that he'll be mentioned solving mysteries. I, I really enjoy the challenge of, you know, trying to set out on a story to understand something that's mysterious but important and looking for all the different ways in to that story, all the ways to find out this thing that somebody's trying to keep hidden. So I loved the news have been reading it since I was younger. Do you think it's important for young people to read the news? Absolutely. That's. I grew up reading the news every my hometown newspaper, and I like the feeling of just being somebody who was well informed. Somebody knew was going on the world just to pick one example of some. It's been in the news this week, a new report climate change and the change. It's going to make the world in the next twenty or thirty years. You know, young people. That's the world you're gonna live in. I think that that fact the fight against climate change will be important to your life is sort of the rise of the internet has been to mine. And I think if you don't read that, you know. You know, this is going to happen to you or the other. If you read the news, you'll understand what's coming and maybe take a role in preventing it. Well, thanks for being here today. David. Thank you. Okay. The time has come to Unimak that mystery sound. Let's hear it one more time. K. Katie any new guesses? Nope. I still think it's a printer. Well, here is the answer. Hi, I'm Sara Quin and I'm the head of the reference department at the Minnesota historical society library that was on microfilm reader. So we use that to look at microfilm. Have you ever seen one of those before Katie? No. Five. That's a hard mysteries on. So those you can find at libraries and basically you get a cartridge that has very small film on it. You put it in this reader and it shows up on a screen in front of you, and you can kind of zoom through the film to find old newspapers. Earl documents are things like that. Well, that's super interesting. Yes. If you ever need to dig up old information from an old newspaper, sometimes the only place you can find it is on these microfilm cartridges. You can fit a lot of information on one small real, like a thousand pages of a newspaper or thousand pages of letters onto a tiny real. That weighs an answer more and during wars before there were computers, people would actually microfilm letters or orders and have a pigeon carrying them across a battlefield the so you can drive a pigeon ten miles twenty miles and they will fly back home. The pigeons weren't the only way folks used to get information before the internet. They'd go to libraries. People had a question. They would go to the human version of Google reference librarians a couple years ago, the new York Public Library started sharing records of questions, post librarians by visitors in the pre internet days. That would be the nineteen forties, fifties, sixties, and seventies, and being excellent catalogers information. The librarians wrote them all down people called looking for the poem on the statue of liberty, a school for auction, ears and the color of the silver FOX. People wanted to know how to put a wallpaper, what the life cycle of an eyebrow hair was and whether or not a poisonous snake with die. If it bit itself alert really good questions. By the way, says to this day, libraries are still full of useless information. You just won't find online like very old materials that have never been digitized. And here at the Minnesota historical society library, we have things like diaries that people have written in the nineteen hundreds eighteen hundreds. We have letters. We have state government records. So if you're on a fact-finding mission, try heading up your local library. And in our next episode, we're going to be back with lots of tips for you to make sure that the information that you're looking at is factual and not false. 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IDTT Wine 468: David Ramey and the Evolution of Chardonnay

I'll Drink to That! Talking Wine with Levi Dalton

1:04:46 hr | 1 year ago

IDTT Wine 468: David Ramey and the Evolution of Chardonnay

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I feel like we covered more on the history and terroir of the region in two and a half days than we do on trips to other regions that last three times as long as a ten dis we really get to see a serious lineup of producers and it was a supremely enjoyable and educational trip. Apply for your spot today. I'll drink to that, where we get behind the scenes of the beverage business. I'm Levy, Dalton Scallon. And here's our show. David Ramey of Ramey. Wine-cellars and also sidebar sellers. Hello, sir. How are you? Thank you for having. So you actually went to UC Santa Cruz right about the same time Randall granted, we were there at the same time, and we didn't know each other, except once I was going down to visit a girlfriend at UCLA. And in those days, this was about nineteen seventy one on a cork board. You put a little piece of paper with your phone number. And you said, you know, driving to L A looking for riders to share gas, and, and he answered, and so we, we didn't know each other, but we drove to LA and from Santa Cruz down to about. King city, we had the most intense fella Sahfiqul discussion and so that was my crossing paths with Randall at Santa Cruz. And then we both went out and worked a little bit and ended up at Davis at the same. Time. And so, yeah, I say, I went to school with Randall twice when you went to UC Davis. You will with a whole generation of people that also became well known in Britain. Remember this was, you know late sixties early. Seventies yet nam was happening of there was a lot of nobody wanted to be a doctor or lawyer, or in those days, NBA, almost wasn't a thing. And I had two goals. I didn't wanna have to show up at work at eight o'clock or specific time, and I didn't want to have to wear a tie. And so we all got out and worked as a waiter or whatever else for a little while and then realized, wow. I can't do this for the rest of my life. I'm going to actually make some money. And fortunately, this option with this aesthetic component presented itself to many of us. And we all ended up at Davidson, the same cohort. You know, Kathy Courson and, and David graves and dick word from Saint spray John cones guard, Tom Petersson longtime monitoring vineyards souverain at Killian who taught me to use a gas chromatograph, Mark lion, longtime Sebastian Yanni. Randall graham. So anyway, yeah. It was it was really kind of a neat time. I was there from seventy six to seventy nine so late seventies the thing about that. Generation of people at Davis is they all got jobs immediately out of school. When I took the decision in, in seventy four seventy five to go to school and study wine. It wasn't a thing at all. And people, I knew friends were saying, wow, wine, really. What's up with that? But then it started to take off and into time in the seventies, there were some tax credits to planting vineyards. So more grapes, were going in and the wine industry was ascendant and everybody all of my colleagues, every single one got a full charge winemaking job right out of the gate and I'm not only guy really who said, I don't want that because I don't know how to make wine. I wanna go work with somebody who did, so after my year abroad with x in Pomerol I got the job. I wanted as assistant winemaker Zelma long at seamy she had just left Mandavi to go to see me on it, and it just worked out. Ultimately, I would say, you know, I didn't learn winemaking is much from Zelma just. Like you don't learn to make wine at UC Davis, but I learned production management. And that's a almost a different skill set from quote, line making. It's analogous to the difference between chef getting ingredients cooking food and playing it. But there's a lot more to running a restaurant than that. The thing about down along at Simi is that she was starting to think about oxidation of white wine. Right. We were filtering everything both with filter pads, and cartridges sterile, filtering and principal. Purveyor of filter pads was sites. Verkey. S. W K, and the, the Representative was very cultured. Civilized gentlemen, named Fritz narrate, and he gave us a couple of papers that a researcher, who was researching with the support of sites for name. Mueller spot Mueller space. And this was about allowing the natural polyphenol. Oxidise enzymes. In grape juice to run their course. And oxidized the polyphenols, the flavonoids tannin's from the grape skins in white grapes. People don't think of white wine having tannin, but all the color in white wine comes from Tannen. So this is why the richer white wines, like adverts to meaner, L, sation Pinot, GRIs Chardonnay, have a deeper color, and the, the lighter white wines, like Shannon long, for example, are lower in phonology material so that color can come from tannin that came out of the grape skin, or it can come from oak barrels, if it's barrel fermented with newer barrels. So the this is the same enzyme back to the enzyme polyphenol, oxidation. Or sometimes it's called Tirana's same enzyme that if you cut an apple and let it sit on your kitchen counter. You can watch it turn Brown. Exact same thing. And in the past people had always added sulfur dioxide to grape juice, and that kept the jus green. And if you thought that you were going to make a white wind was paler and not dark Brown you needed to green juice. And it turned out to be the opposite, that if you didn't add to sulfur, let the polyphenol, oxidise enzymes, oxidized, those tannin's naturally Jews turns Brown. That's the tannin's in the oxidation state on oxidized. They're colorless oxidized. They're brown. But then once they accident they have a charge. He's a little negative charge on the carbon dioxide. Region because there's an electron squirm. And then with that negative charge their tracked to the east cells when the east grow because the east proteins, so their positively charged. And so then those oxidized tannin's precipitate out. After the fermentation when the east satellite out. And so what we were left with is wines, that were paler in color, and lower and tannin's than those that had been quote protected by the sulphur addition, green juice. So basically of green juice, Brown juice. Now, this is a little technical, but those enzymes I did some studies while I was at Matanzas creek on a double beam scanning. UV spectrophotometer those enzymes for active for about six hours and during that time they very rapidly. And specifically scavenge oxygen and apply that oxygen to these tannin's. So the juices, a whole is not oxidizing and the faulty thinking that was common was well, I had the self-rule for so have green juice. So it's not axing the flaw with that is really all that was happening. Is that the sulfur dioxide inhibits? The enzyme activity the polyphenol, oxidation enzyme so the enzyme is blocked from doing what it, otherwise would naturally do. And meantime, all that action is still around oxidizing aromas and flavors and things like that. So it was like turning the logic on its head. Wow. So the oxidized juice is going to be better than green juice now. Not everybody will agree. But not everybody has the experience or his thought about it in that way. So what would have been the normal protocol for making Chardonnay in the seventies in California during the seventies initially grapes, were d- stand crushed and pump to oppress pressed and then settled in a tank racked to another tank? Add the yeast fermented in the tank and then rack off the lease and then. Go to barrels that was sort of standard old school, California. In the seventies, people started doing skin contact, so they'd crush the grapes, add sulfur, and then let it sit in the tank and this was in the days before night harvest. So a lot of these grapes came in, you know in the afternoon hot. And they're extracting a lot of tannin's. And at the time people thought of tannin as antioxidative, but soon realized that this is red wine logic. I call it red wine logic because in red wine, you have tannin and in color at the San and I, they a diner, and Anna trimmer, and then Tetra Mer, and then a polymer and Vern singleton at UC Davis used to call that auto oxidation that the tannin oxidises, and then it regenerates itself by Plimmer ising. So in that sense, red wine Tannen is antioxidative, but in white wine. Nine it's not because there's no anthocyanins. So once you have an oxidized tannin, it's just there it's oxidized, it's Brown and coarse and heavy and thick. So I ended up doing an experiment and published a paper on the effects of skin, contact temperature on Chardonnay juice and wine. And the result of that was a lot of the big wineries. Saint Jean Barringer Mondavi started buying must heat exchangers like we had to cool. The must before the skin contact the people were still doing a skin contact. And then when I left see me to go to Matanzas creek, I started thinking about, well, so we wanna lower the tannin's we got to oxygen juice to do this. But what about if we eliminate skin contact, and then you know, minimize the tannin's that way? And I was starting to spend time in burgundy, I'd worked in Bordeaux in seventy nine but hadn't been to burgundy until eighty six and the common thing was for them to crush, but not de stem the grape. Clusters Chardonnay, grape clusters, and then pu-. Dump them short distance into the actual feed of the new bladder presses tank presses and. I LTd skin, contact at Matanzas, and then, and then the next thing I thought, well, what if we limit the little, screw conveyor and the pump and grinding and the tearing, and so I think about nine hundred eighty seven I was the first one in California to put a plywood, hopper on top of the press, and, and look at whole cluster pressing and the whole goal of that whole cluster pressing traditional in Champaign the whole point of that was to minimize the tannin's in the white wine and make them more delicate white wine. The problem with the skin, contact Chardonnays is two fold number one that we're really kind, of course and, and thick and heavy. And Secondly, they didn't age three years later, those tannin's that you had protected with sulfur would turn Brown in a bottle. And so that was kind of a two path development toward improving shelf, life of cali-. White wine was the oxidized juice, and then the whole cluster pressing and you mentioned crushing the grapes, before what was your approach, as he moved into Matanzas on crushing. You know, I always thought I mean, we don't make burgundy and California. But I always thought, if we're working with Chardonnay cabernet merlot, we oughta, maybe go where they've been working with those righties for hundreds of years and see how they do it. So the standard in burgundy was and in those days, the state of the art begun crusher was demos, e they would not destroy them. The cage was out, but they would crush, and then it would go into this, elliptical lobe pump and pump into the press. Do you find a different with the amount of lease when you crash? So when, when you do pump the must like that, even if it's whole cluster crushed pumped but not disturbed. You create a lot of solids. Overall, maybe as much as six percent, the next day after you settle about six percent of your total volume could be grape solids, so normally what you need to do that as have Elise filter and filter that and put it back into the juice with whole cluster pressing. We have a percent and a half or one percent solids of which we take some so that basically, there's no juice lease leftover not yeast lease, but juice lease and there's a little coating on bottom of the tank, which we just wash away. There's a real production at advantage to whole cluster pressing. Now, the disadvantage from a classical perspective was if you d- stemmed and crushed, you could fit about two and a half times as much grapes, in the press as with whole cluster pressing. So there's an initial investment in buying a bigger press. Because sometimes when I've visited wineries during harvest the choke point in terms of the production is the pressing is the press. Yeah. Having built several wineries and bought equipment. And you know it's just always a mistake to skimp on equipment size. The reason you're saying that is that if you're gonna do whole cluster pressing you have to put the clusters you need it. Yeah. You need to space, you need the bigger press. But back to that lease question, I mean, say juice were to stay in contact with Moore lease more salads for longer with that have organoleptic differences in the in the juice. That's a good question Levy and brings up another topic. And that is the reductive character of particularly of some Burgundies or recently, Australia, New Zealand to become enamored of this sort of match dick, which is a dice fide character to sulfides and you can get that several ways you can put your juice into a barrel. Has sulfur gas in it SO to gas, but also you tend to get it if you have a lot of solids. And so if the solids that I talked about if you have too many of them, you can get that matchstick character which for some producers Mitchell, we sewn in the old days comes to mind, but. I have a perspective on that, and that is that, that reductive character is an artifact of the seller, so it's not tear warr and. I don't mind just a little little tiny bit of gun. Flint, just as I don't mind, a little bit of brat wines enjoy. But I think you need to be careful with how much. There was only maybe a half a dozen years ago that I thought instead of racking the juice the next day, perfectly clean through the racking door which we had always done. We started racking from the bottom valve typically about him valve when you move juicer wine from one tank to another. If you hook up to the bottom valve, we call that a movement because you're moving it from one tank to another. If you go through the racking valve and, and through the door that's Iraq, Iraq off sediment, and we'd always racked clean off of that lease but I started a few years ago, racking from the bottom valve. And again, I said earlier that with whole cluster, we have a very small amount of lease. And the lighter is sort of becomes, if it flows, it goes, and so we started taking some of the lighter lease with us and leaving just a, a coating of heavy lease on the bottom of the tank now again for your listeners. I want to distinguish between Yeesh lease. And at this point, we're talking about ground up grape skin. Can lease this two different things. We use the same word, but don't confuse them. This is grape skin lease and it can contain sulfur containing amino acids. And even it's a fault, but a little grain or two of sulfur dust left from late spring. And so you can get some of this matchstick character from that. And in fact, I think that some of our wines more recently have more matchstick, then they did early on because of that, because we're racking from the bottom valve and taking some of that lease. And again, I don't mind a little bit and it varies a little, but we're opening with the twenty fifteen I finish a rookie Oli vineyard Chardonnay. There's a touch in there. It's like a trace of brat and reds. I personally don't mind it. It's a level of complexity. But I don't think that ideologue should conflict it with terroir. It's not terroirs an artifact of the seller. Let's go back a little bit. So simi. They were known for Chardonnay and cabernet. And they were known for a Chardonnay that was aged in French. Bary right true. What was your thoughts about coop ridge in that time, because during the eighties things really changed in terms of access to Cooper, I was the beneficiary? I have been the beneficiary for my entire career of Zelma and one Dhabi's relationship with the frost welfare. Family was on wealth soi and with the turn so coop rich and I still use them to this day short and Pino and Sarah principally with fresh welfare, and the board lay varieties principally with tallow. So I don't specify the oak source. I don't specify the toast, I do pay extra for three year, air, dried wood, but. I joked, you know, general Francois and I have a deal, I don't tell him how to make barrels Asia's and tell me how to make one Mike experience is that if you try to change the way that a Cooper normally makes barrels the result isn't really good. If you like what that Cooper is doing. You buy more barrels from that if you don't you buy less and you go to another Cooper. But you don't try to get them to change their routine because they have their routine developed over decades. I mean here all ovarian two Chardonnays the most compelling. At popular white wine in the world. Because it's the red wine of whites. It's so complex. It's so interesting. And it's the red wine of whites for two reasons barrel. Fermentation and Miletic. Now there's technique to those things, you know. Can you use too much new oak? Absolutely. It doesn't mean that the answer to too much new oak is fermenting and a stainless steel tank then you take away part of the complexity that makes Chardonnay so compelling in the same vein. I personally think that non Mallow Chardonnays, our shadow of what they could be. And just because you go through Mallow doesn't mean that you end up with a fat flabby wine. What was your development of thinking in terms of mal for Chardonnay? At seeming. I came to conclude that we had over assimilated, everything. And when I went to Matanzas I decided, I was only going to put through Malacic those Chardonnay juice lots whose chemistry would allow that without having to assimilate. So I did that in eighty five I did that eighty six but in eighty six which was the first year I went to Bernie and eighty six I did an experiment with the Giacomo Greenacres vineyard where oppressed into one tank and the next day racked split into two tax. So we've got identical juice. Now, one of them isolated a little bit with tartaric acid one. I did not, then we went to barrels I was nominating Houston, those days, and they're not getting for Mallow, then I went to burgundy for the first time in November. So I got back and the winds were finishing Mallow because we knock United, we push through, and I suffered, and I still remember that great gentlemen, great writer, Gerald Asher came and tasted with us, and I showed him the comparison. And he said, well, the Mallow is, is clearly superior. And so from eighty-seven on I always did full mellow. And then, of course, you have the advantage with full Mallow versus partial or non Mallow is that you don't have to worry about not filtering. So we don't own a filter. Everything's unfiltered. And because the line is dry and it's finished Mallow that's not a problem because the alternative would be if it didn't go through maladies either have to hit it with a lot of sulfur, or he'd have to filter it because something would have to stabilize it. So with the that dinners the eighty six a Matanzas, which was the last one that I made a Chardonnay that wasn't. Lactic. It was partial. So then we'd blended it. So now it's partial Mallow but we have some lots that were plus some lacerra, minus in. I remember. Exactly. But I'm sure I still filtered because otherwise I would be too, too risky. When do you like Mallow to start for Chardonnay? That's another good question. Traditionally in burgundy, the Mallow kind of starts in the winter and maybe completed in the spring classic thing where the sap rises, you know, you're listen to the barrel, and it's crackling and bubbling, that's due to two reasons. One, the yeast, they're not authorizing, but they are leaking some amino acids out through their cell walls, and those who acids can be food for the bacteria. So we've got six months after fermentation. We have a little more food for the bacteria, and, and also the seller starts to warm up a little. So the Mallow happens in the spring. So that's the tradition when you don't inoculate, which we don't, and one of the advantages of it is that the bacteria the lack of bacilli and look stock that carry out the mouth, lactic fermentation, they metabolize some of the compounds like Furuly acid. And so if you push that through so many winemakers say, oh, I want to put the things to beds by Christmas. So I can go skiing or two way or sleep. But then you percentage, new oh, can be more pronounced whereas if that takes place, three four five months later, the bacteria can help integrate to oak. So that's an advantage of the more natural law later. Mala lactic you feel like when you have Mallow and barrel. It's a more seamless integration of the wood. Yes, as well as the barrel, fermentation itself, the east integrate the wood and some. Mm fashion. It used to be you asked how and was made in the old days in the seventies and eighties, you know, and then you'd ferment and a tank rack off the lease because ways made stinky wine that was the wisdom at the time reductive character wreck off the lease and go to barrel. And then to the extent that you were using new barrels, maybe you did that in October, but by January or wine was over ocht, because you have no nothing to integrate the ope east lease is tremendous in so many ways. But integrating oak is huge having go through full Mallow. And then having it be unfiltered that idea really took hold for Chardonnay in the eighties in California right like Newton unfiltered. Helen Turley comes on the scene. Robert Parker champion this since you mentioned Bob Parker, the comment, I would make there is that it is unfortunate that Bob has linguistically linked on find an unfiltered. Join them at the hip. These are two totally separate thing. So filtration is a modern industrial invention, forcing the wine with a pump under some amount of pressure through a matrix, which takes the particles out, and there's a certain amount of electrostatic, stripping there, too. It's not just getting the particles out via what's called torturous path, or poor size. There's an electrostatic attraction, which literally takes out color and flavor early in the filtration process. Finding on the other hand is a traditional artesian all part of the craft of making fine wine for centuries. And when I say finding I don't mean modern industrial finding agents like Peavy, p p which polyvinyl Polly Parola, Don. But traditional agents of which with the exception of bent tonight, Ben tonight's a clay from Wyoming, and then all the other finding agents traditionally. Are proteins, so white bread wine. It white only works in red wine. It doesn't work in white wine. Doesn't clarify it just sits there. But in white wine glass, is just beautiful. Finding agent clarifies. The wine in French you collect called the plus home or fish glue. It's the dry air bladder, the sturgeon fish. So these are very traditional finding agents milk, also whole milk. We still use. Sometimes some whole milk, depending on the trial, but casing powder, and these are twenty or thirty parts per million. So just a tiny amount. But what those protein agents do because at this point now the tannin's in the wine are negatively charged. So these protein finding agents are positively charged and you have some electrostatic bonding, and the finding agents clarify that wine and they also take out some of the Tannen. And so they smoothed the palette. And so it's not a question of. Stripping the wine. I think the best analogies, it's like using a piece of triple lot steel wool to polish a fine piece of wood furniture. You know it doesn't change the shape of the chair. It just polishes it. Been a number of producers who seemed to be opposed to finding it's because of a lack of experience. We've talked a lot about Chardonnay, but actually in the eighties, their Matanzas creek really developed a reputation for my low and for Soviet block. Right, right. At the time. The biggest thing was, of course, I had worked with a w small Joan Pierre Malek's in seventy nine and maintain a relationship with crucial and was club. Barrow. And the thing was the biggest difference was that they never acidified a red wine and Bordeaux when burgundy acidification is fairly common adding tartaric acid to the juice of Chardonnay, NPR news fairly common depending on the year and the vineyard, but in Bordeaux just didn't acidify. Whereas in California, this was the height of UC Davis, ph over everything. And people were acidifying extensively. And I said, well, I'm not going to do that, because that's not the way it's done in Bordeaux where where I worked, and so I mean right away with eighty five eighty six but then, particularly with the eighty seven I think Bob Parker, who was coming to taste with me recognized a stylistic kinship with Pomerol so eighty nine would have been born. Christiane asked me to come back and work with new ex again, because he had in mind that we would work together. So I did in my now, wife Carla went with me, and she picked grapes, while I kinda tasted and drove around was clawed and crystal. But it wasn't time to work together yet I thought we would probably work together immediately, but he said, take a job. And so the job, I took was with chalk hill. And initially then afterwards while I was with chalk hill. He had in mind, a sonoma's project merlot based cinema project as he said a more feminine wine because he considered dominance, a very masculine wine. And we looked at a number properties and filing made an offer. And then he had a couple of bad business developments a large bulk wine sale. He was stiffed on and a couple of developments. Fax. Everything was pre Email fax saying, you know. Sorry. But then shortly thereafter, the next year, I think he asked me to come over and take over managing dominance and get the winery built. So that's how we did end up working together for a couple of years. So we did skip over the chalk hill time there, because inbetween you going to board ill again. And then working dominance. He worked at chalk hill, and they really developed a reputation for Sharon innate. Yeah. We do some really good work. Eliminated, crushing at bought a pump Waukesha, three, twenty with six inch ports that we would screw feed and pump ho cluster into the press, there were deducing tanks over the press that they'd been putting grapes into. But of course, I was completely opposed to skin contact. So I just didn't use those. Eventually, we took him down convert in tanks, put him in a cellar. So we did good work there. And then, that's when I started working pretty completely with native east not yet native bacteria was all barrel fermented. I mean, we were making fifty thousand cases of barrel. Fermented native useful Mallow Chardonnay. So I started in the nineties late nineties, and I think that stood out to me about Chuck hill was the texture of the wines, like on the Chardonnay coming from the cinema Cottrell. They're kind of dominance in the market before. Marcus and really took off Chuck hill was like a big change from this Cottrell. They're kinda pal it, it was much lower. So numb couture was non Milo. And I'm completely textural in my appreciation of wine. I don't care if it's apples or bananas. I wanna know how ripe the banana was is it mushy. Is it is it hard? Is it green? It's tactician thing in the palette and a lot of people disagreed, with me on this, but basically smell wine, if it smells. Fine. That's great. I mean as long as there's no false. You know, it's not oxidized doesn't have too much Selker. It's not God. Volatile city. There's no hydrogen sulfide. But what does it feel like because that's so important? What's the texture in the palate, as it tastes? Good. Does it make you want to take a second sip, and that's where so we're using native us? So we had a longer fermentation, and that gave a textual advantage and then we were leaving it on the lease. Now there I was bottling before. So I only had about eight months of lease contact before the next vintage. Was not unfiltered, we did filter but I was almost all the way to the way a make wine now. Now we leave longer on the lease either twelve months or twenty months, and we don't filter after you left. I working for fed, I and you went to work for Christian why ex again. You're in Napa dominance. Right. Yeah. And I worked in Napa for six years to dominance and four with Rudd. Especially in terms of the blending table and the creating of a wine, when you have a bunch of glasses in front of you. And you say, we're gonna put these classes together and that's going to become the wine. What did you see working with John barrow? Here's a story on the junk told me when she said, what is this is an eighty nine dollars working with them over there? So what is with you Merican? I just want to know what the varieties are. Here's the deal, so have cabernet merlot and cabernet truism, more Tannock variety, then we're low, but on anyone property. You have a variety of soils and clay soil gives wine strength. He said in French, meaning more Tannock and gravelly soil gives wine elegance. So would you plant to cabernet on clay and Melloan gravel? No. 'cause you would exaggerate the natural tendencies of varieties. But if you plant the merlot on clay gives it strength plant to cabernet on gravel gives it elegance, and then it can be very difficult even for the winemaker who made the wine to tell the varieties apart because you've made the best Bordeaux style. Wine. You can, that's an intro way to think about, you know, it isn't blending magic in terms of x percent, cabernet Franck or this or that it's like what's the wine taste like what's successful? Is it in particularly for texture as opposed to aroma and then yeah? How do they fit together? To a certain degree. You're good stuff. Goes in the grown van and your medium stuff goes into douzaine vine in the week stuff goes into in the cleric. It's not that complicated at least my memory of working with John Cook. It's like well, these are all really good wines, put them together. So these days when you visit dominance, the cavern as on a split canopy. And it was when I was there, and that's based on the vigor of the soils every site, every soil has what the soil, scientists call a vigor capacity. And the way to think about this is just grown tomatoes in your backyard. If you've got hardscrabble clay, and you put your tomatoes, there, you're going to get a certain size tomato plant. But if you have raised beds with compost, really rich soil. You're going to get big tomato plants. Same thing with grapevines if the soil and the available water. Which there's some water running out of the my comments underneath that dominant site. You know, you need to channel that vigor in the split canopy, gives an outlet for the plant to balance its vegetative tendencies. So you transitioned, eventually to Rudd, which actually at the time would have been Jarrar. Yeah. Less had just bought it in ninety six he bought it and with the intention of turning it into rutta estate kind of took over, even while I was still with dominance, like November ninety seven so I made the first four vintages of red. And then I was able to move our production for Ramey wine-cellars, which we started ninety six vintage was able to grow our production in, in the caves at Rudd. So you'll really specializing in red with dominance, and then at least in the beginning with Rudd, one of my Jackson's Christiane when he was trying to get me to come over and manage dominance was Christian on, you know Megan. Making any wine. And he said, well, you think it'll Chardonnay on the side? That's okay. And no light bulb went off. And it was like, okay, I don't know how do that. And that was the beginning framing hours. We started with two hundred sixty cases of, of Hyde ventured name nineteen ninety six and we sold it two years later because it was twenty months in barrel. You let him bell twenty months that was very uncommon at the time, almost everybody in California bottled before the next vintage. Because if you don't then you have to have tanks to hold the wine. But one of my study outs trainees chalk hill in nineteen Ninety-three was Piero Colli now keleaf, kilom- malay-. And in two thousand and I was in burgundy for a conference on tele- and I had lunch with bell. Even his dad muck Cologne from Santa. It was Mark who had met at a tasting who asked me. If son could come work with me. And one of the things Mark said was, yeah. In the old days all the wines needed to winters in barrel. And it kind of struck me as you said that both about Chardonnay and Pinot Noir, to winters and barrel. So when I developed my own brand, I started with bottling in June of the following vintage so that totals about twenty months and barrel is still not common. It's a lot of people in burgundy do twelve months, and that's what we do for Russian river Chardonnay on arsenal. Macos chardonnay. But the single vineyards they spend twenty months on on the lease never act juice goes in ferment starts topped up stays on a lease the whole time. And this is Dany to Jew thing. The recently passed away researcher from the university of auto he pinpointed a compound glutathione, which is a, a believer sulfur containing amino acid that. Comes out of yeast with time on each lease. And it turns out, you know, I consulted for John Charl blase for awhile for when a vista project and he engaged Dinnie dude and his team to come over and research products. And the main thing you found was that, while people just aren't adding enough, sulfur to the wine, particularly at bottling. But in the course of that report paper, he also talked about glutathione. And I think that that longtime on lease is part of that. But again, what you're saying is that those are the lease that are the dead east. Those are used so lease now not so much, the great particles, you're saying you don't like to rack for that period time. So you put it into new barrel, only we're not using a lot of new. Oh, the Balaj wines, which been twelve months on lease and barrel, are only about fifteen percent, new and the single vineyards are about twenty five percent knew. Right now. I just don't like it when oak stands out, and so we started backing off on the oak. So in the ninety s there was a flocks of crisis and Napa. Oh, yeah. Did you see people replanning with different kind of vine, material root stock after that completely, and almost most significantly the right varieties in the right places? You know, one of the huge trends over my forty years in Sonoma, and Napa is the realization of where grape varieties are going to do better or worse. And so over the years cabernet has become dominant in Napa Valley because it's a late season. Variety cavern as late season. Merv ED's late-season. I mean, maybe that's a future for Napa Valley is. Because it nap is blocked from the ocean influenced by the my commish ranch. Whereas an Obama is a whole is maybe nine degrees, cooler than Oakville in any any given day. That's just Glen, ellyn Kenwood nine degrees, cooler, you get out towards the esta, pull your leg another nine degrees, cooler and in the early season. Varieties Chardonnay Pinot Noir, do much better in cooler areas. So all that replant and new planting has allowed us to better fine. Tune where we planted echina- seventies, when they had those tax dodgers people didn't know anything. They didn't know anything about clones. And they would plant a whole bunch of varieties in the same spot it siemian one thousand nine hundred eighty we were buying Pinot Noir from Jim Murphy, and geyserville. You know, I mean that doesn't happen anymore. Okay. So that's the most significant change, and essentially the March of cool climate varieties to the coast. That's huge. You know, areas that weren't planted twenty five years ago now are producing stellar Chardonnay Pinot Noir. And that's in part, the result of the Philoxenia debacle. Could you sort of grape variety by grape variety? Give me a sense of the progression in protocol winemaking handling of say, what would have been standard in the seventies for seventy. I'm blank and then how that change till now I'm just saying in general, you know, everyone was different. Everybody does something different, but the general idea about a great variety, could we just kinda run through some of the key ones like Pino, Sarah cabernet, sauvignon Blanc? Well, let me start with short because I think we've covered that a little bit. Additionally, the evolution of Chardonnay style, California has seen the triumph of the Burgundian method. And when I say, we're gonna method I mean direct press one way or another barrel. Fermented Asia lease bell, lactic. That's standard. Soviet-bloc is complicated. You know, in the old days. Seventies and eighties before we had, canopy management, Soviet-bloc could be really vegetal, Candice Barroga's, artichoke juice. And at turned a lot of people off to Soviet bloc. So then you had a period, perhaps, in the nineties when people in Napa, and Sonoma were making kind of Soviet Blunkett Chardonnay barrel, fermented putting through lactic really trying to minimize then New Zealand kind of reinvented Soviet-bloc hyper goose berry style. So now California. So you'll blocks that win contests are hyper varietal. So that's back. But I read some you know, there's all this stuff on blogs and posts, these days, and one of them was future trends, and in one was low peers Zine Soviet Soviet-bloc and. I'm behind that sidebar. That's what we do on the cabernet front. If several trends first off is not acidifying people didn't realize I mean, you know, O'Brien his ph four point oh, and a ripe, Minhaj, people didn't know that they weren't buying the lines analyzing and I did like even vintage, like eighty two. I would buy a bunch of Palmer, also because we're now making merlot at Matanzas creek is eighty four eighty five and it's like I do a tasting ten wines, and I still remember five of them were really good and five more week we analyze and all the week wins head into three point four ranch, and all the good ones had is into three point six three point eight ranch. It's like, wow was that tell you so that knowledge kind of spread and so people stopped acidifying their cabernet so much. So that's a big change. Then have the ripeness thing that's a complex issue. People say, oh, yeah. In the old days all all the wines, were, you know twelve and a half percent alcohol. Well first off, you have to realize that you can't trust. What's on the label and the law was for the imports for Bordeaux law was, you know, it's like well eleven to fourteen percent is one tax class. And so they put twelve and a half percent on everything because I never had to change it because you have plus or minus one and a half at fourteen in blow in, I remember being at a lunch with Andy Beck staffer once, and he passed around a postcard was an aerial view of Napa Valley during harvest. It was a sea of red leaves leaf roll, virus lethal virus. Inhibits photosynthesis, I mean, if leave is red, not green. It's can't photo synthesize chlorophyll anymore. So twenty four bricks used to be a maximum if you know, you, you harvest at twenty three twenty four because that's all that the vineyards would give you. So this is another aspect of the fluctuate type b so called. Wasn't just flashers, the failure of are rich doc airman times repairs. And the new healthy plantings allowed people to go much higher in bricks starting really about the ninety seven vintage, and people started picking twenty seven twenty eight the hated piercings. And you know, critics gave those winds high scores. I think I think, we're in a period where people are pulling back, you know, from that to more balanced wine, which is, I think, kind of what we've always made never been harvesting at thirty bricks and watering back and all this stuff. Pino the big difference on Pino is early on California producers made it like cabernet area to flee and leave it in barrels eighteen twenty months that dry it out. Nate aerated and Pino. If Chardonnay is the red wine of whites Pino is the white wine of reds. It's delicate, it has literally, a feeble finale structure, has no ace elated pigments. And so that's why it's paler in color. So big change with Pino is not air aiding as much, and who deserves credit for that really is dick word and his partner, David graves of saints berry winery because they were the first ones to bottle Pino before the next vintage, like Chardonnay hadn't been done. And so that change from tired dried out oxidized Pune warr to fresh Pune war, along with the shift to cooler climate, you know, in Napa, you weren't planting and Rutherford anymore. You were planting on Carneiro Senate. Insen oma. You weren't planting Alexander valley. You're planting, it's Avesta pool. That's been a big shift for, you know nor. Is a commune of variety because it can succeed in a broad range of climates and in a warmer climate. It can be jamming a bottle in a cooler climate. It shows off, it's more rotund on. That's more peppery bacon fat characteristics. Surra seems to just absorb sulfur if we give the same edition to cabernet and Sarah will get a higher return, not only free, but total with cabernet and Sara Lee had to sell for and it's like where, where did it go? I don't understand. I'm not a bad wine chemist, but I don't understand that. Also Suraj est absorbed, sulfur more on the other side, I would say that in my experience dealing with other winemakers Pinot Noir. Many of them are very afraid of adding too much sulfur to the piano because famously bleaches color and they're concerned about the color. I don't share that perspective and we treat, you know, which we'd all our wines to same. We, we maintain thirty parts free, so we don't have any breath in a wine ages for a long time. You know, sometimes people talk about reduction, and Sarah. Do you think that tendency of Surat sort of absorbed, sulfur is related to that reduction? And Sara Sara, does the way we make it in the way. I like it. It rides sort of a knife edge of reduction. It just does. And sometimes it crosses over, and we need to splash, it, which never happens with Pino, but with Sarah, sometimes we do, and how that's related to the self uptake. I just don't know. You develop a red wine portfolio. Leo for Remy wine-cellars that includes Sarai, and that includes cabin if I'm reading the cab, bright, it seems to have an approachability that is a little unique. Oh well, thank you. And yet analytically it's a very Tanic wine. All of our wines, are what the French would call to go. I mean all the red spend about three weeks onto skins. They're fully extracted and elliptically the cabernet in particular. But there's a difference between quantity of tannin and quality of tannin only recently of some of us really come to appreciate. And if you have a what, which unclogged Louis called the Lieutenant new let Dunin soup LA mature, supple tannin's, if you have that, then you can extract them and still have a supple approachable wine. If you have immature hard tannin's. They don't ever really age out in the cellar. So if you if you harvest prematurely, I mean, you don't have to go over. You don't have to start getting pruning reported characters. But if you harvest prematurely, those hard green grip tannin's may never resolve themselves. Now, I certainly understand that point. And I think that that's something that really came to the fore. And in the ninety s in California for cabernet people were saying, let's get some, some softer tannin. Yeah. But your cab in particular, it seems to me like the character is different like textually different. And I sometimes wonder if that has to do with lease or was something else, it does have to do I being trained in Bordeaux? I was always skeptical when, for example on. Call started bringing Burgundian techniques of lease contact to the right Bank. But in oh six we experimented and. Damned if we didn't like, you know, now, there's not as much leases, if you've meant a white wine and a barrel when all the leases there, there's not as much, but we drain, and then the next day, if we rack clean out of the tank that we drained into there's maybe a couple of inches of what looks like raspberry yogurt and that's just yeast. And because we don't punch down we sprinkle, so the cap, we don't break up the fruit a lot. So there's no, no berries. There's no debris is just the lease. And then we take that and again, if it flows, it goes the next day, we rack from the bottom valve. So if flows, we take it goes into the other tank, and we put the propeller mixer and the goose is the brand name and mix it to barrel. So that that leases all distributed and. Yeah. I think that the yeast in the red wine integrates, the oak better, and provides textural suppleness more so than without it, what's the temperature at that point. Well, we're a little odd. We ferment cool. Seventy two not cool but school for some people. It's cool for some people that's optimal for yeast, what we're focusing on is getting to sugar gone, the fermentation function. And then we start heating once the sugars gone, we start heating, which is sort of the extraction function. Now, of course, there's a big overlap, it's not like we got white red wine and then suddenly, the color comes out, but what we taste as we start raising the temperature about three degrees day to about eighty seven final temperature and then it might spend three or four five six days at eighty seven we continue to pump over a little bit twice a day, just about a quarter volume but the mid palate fleshes out. Yeah. So we're little unusual in that we've sort of in a way separated. The fermentation function from the extraction function. I got that from Michelle Rolon. An analogize allot making red wine is a lot like making t you know, and you're dealing with Finola compounds you're dealing with temperature. You're dealing with time you're dealing with degree of subdivision of the particles. You know, do you have whole tea leaves to have chopped up tea-leaves powdered teeth and what we want is using time and temperature and flow through to infuse the compounds that are in the skins into the wine rather than beat up the fruit in a grind, and tear and make a lot of finally subdivided particles. That would give a broad spectrum extraction. I'm I'm a little of a maverick here to for example are Pinot Noir. Other than the whole cluster. We make exactly like our cabernet. It's pumped over its three weeks on the skins more or less depending on taste, cool. Ferment warmer, extraction post, I think that. Punching down, too often beats up the the cap, and then those finely subdivided solids can give you a broad spectrum extraction than might include bitter compounds that you're not necessarily looking for. And what about stirring lease? Bat nausea red. Yeah. We do that. Chardonnay. We do that once a week while we're waiting for Mallow, and then and then just when we top once a month, but it's not important with reds. We do it about every two months, and we're not topping during that time. And then we top stir Justice sulfur among it again. And then depending on how the wine taste the next time we may rack and slash we may not on a cabernet. Maybe we could talk about the different Chardonnays that you make for Ramey. I we could start with the different vineyards involved because he worked with a number of famous vineyards like hide Hudson, Rocchi, Oli Dutton, what you blend in or Knoller. So what are you ask them to do? Well, one example would be that we don't like them to strip leaves a lot of times you walk into vineyard and the fruit zones all stripped on both sides, fruits, all exposed. I don't like that. So we asked that they cut laterals between the fruiting wire and the I catch wire to open it up for air flow. If it's in a high mildew pressure area and the Rosa running north south, we may let them take some leaves off on the east side, but not on the west side. I'm almost more concerned about sunburned. But then they have to keep the mildew down. So it's a balancing act. We work with them on irrigation fertilization and generally try to minimize that. And if we can, which isn't always, but we work with them on, on eliminating round up in the vine row and going to mechanical weed removal and divine row because what happens we're not concerned about the chemical so much and round up. I think that's overblown. But annual us creates a design because it kills all the routes. And so you don't have the rich and so then you don't have the micro and you don't have the bacteria and fungi in the soil. The soil is not as alive there. So we work on that with them when you're working with Chardonnays, it really yield sensitive or how does it respond? So the question of yields is, is been simplified in the popular press. And the way to think of it as, again, going back to the vigor capacity of the soil, there's a I would say yield to quality curve, like normal distribution for. Any soil type in that normal distribution curve shifts, higher or lower depending on the vigor capacity the soil, and if you over thin take too much fruit off of a vine. So it's out of balance. What happens is it starts to fight back with vegetation, you get more laterals, you get more second crop that vine is trying to express itself. The rich, the power in the rich are pushing out, it's got to have an outlet. So that's the problem with somebody trying to say, oh, I can walk into any venue in the world, and thin it to two tons, and acre in great wine bullshit. It's not true for every vineyard site. There's an optimal quality and for rich sites. It's better higher than if it were lower. It's not a simple answer, and everything depends on on the site you're working with. So you're someone who I think, believes in incremental improvement, ABS lines. Yeah. Because it's not everyone. Some people look at it differently. Some people are like, okay, so this is the deal that my grandfather did, this is the deal or other people are like, okay kit and caboodle, we're moving that way. But you seem to look at incremental changes over time. And so what's the next thing that you're curious about that? You're working on what's the next technique that you're like, maybe. Well, I wish I knew. We didn't do a lot of experimentation this year. We did with Pino. We did do to tanks where one without dry ice in one. Withdraw is a lot of people use dry ice. I'm not I'm not convinced but you know, we'll see honestly, you know, after forty years, one of the reasons that I you know, I don't do wholesale changes because incrementally we've gotten to a pretty good spot. I think I can rationalize and justify chemically physio chemically everything we do and why we do it. And it's come through a series of these steps. You know, one variable comparison, you only have one variable, you're going to set it up. And then you taste it. And you decide. Okay. I like this like that. And I knew shift and you do more of that. But most winemakers are afraid of, of doing experiment, because they're more frayed of something going wrong, and I always say, you're not gonna make bad wine. You're just changing one thing. And it's. Fine. And if you don't do that, you're not gonna learn, you're not going to progress. We get one vintage year and I gotta make it count. So, yeah, we always try to do a little something to, to keep moving to ball downfield. David Ramey believes in one variable comparisons and his first was the desire not to wear a tie to work. Thank you very much. Levy, thank you. It's been fun. David Ramey of Ramey wine-cellars, and then also sidebar sellers. If you listen to the show regularly, have you considered donating, we put thousands of hours of work into this program and we delivered to for free, if you'd like to support that work and continue to see get better consider, making a donation through the Lincoln our website all drink to that pot dot com. That's I l l drink to that pod dot com. Donations help make what we do here possible. If you listen to this show, but you're not a subscriber, you should know that subscribers see new episodes quicker and have access to back, episodes, that non-subscribers cannot access. Also subscribing is totally totally free. Hit the subscribe button to see what you've been missing. You know, we've experimented numbers of years now, with trials with optical sorters and, and getting every last Jack out. And I'm sort of. Come to the conclude those lines, they're more monolithic, and less interesting. I sometimes think we can go too far and lose some complexity and, and flavor interest in making the flavor profile too narrow.

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Sunday Special Ep 37: Gary Sinise

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Sunday Special Ep 37: Gary Sinise

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Oh, that's one eight hundred flowers dot com slash appear. Oh, hurry. The offer expires Monday. Now, also remind you you need to subscribe over at daily wire dot com to hear the final question that we'll be asking Gary today because that question is going to be so monumentally interesting. The you're going to want to get behind that pay wall. So go check us out go subscribe over a daily wire dot com. Gary thanks so much for stopping by really? Appreciate it. So his brand new book the book is grateful American Journey from self to service, and it really is an inspiring book. We're living in a really divided time. Obviously, Gary, and it's it's really I think it's difficult time for most Americans, but it's really uniting stories. So let's start from the beginning. How did you get into acting? You grew up. Your earlier the grew up in south side of Chicago. How do you go from there to world famous movie star well as a bit of a long journey, but. I was there's a story in the book where I where I talk about that just a circumstance I stumbled into really or somebody stumbled into me when I was in high school, I was kind of a rock and roller had Blake bands. I I played in bands. From the time. I was like fifth this fifth sixth grade or something like that I had tars and played in rock bands than I I did that in junior high school, then I got into high school, and I had a lot of trouble in high school. I was I was academically. I was really struggling this was in the late sixties and early seventies. It was a time that crazy things were going on Vietnam war was happening during this time. I got caught up in some some mischief there during during my house high school years, and I was I was struggling I was having a lot of trouble. And you know, one of the things I did do escape was was play music and play and play in bands. And I was standing this hallway one one time when I was a sophomore in high school. This is Highland Park. High school in Illinois on the north side of Chicago, north suburbs. I'm standing all way in this little lady this little blonde lady comes blowing down. I mean, she was like a hurricane type or some just whipping by I'm standing here with my rock and roll pals looking pretty scrubby. You know, grungy, and everything she turns around she goes, she goes have you ever been in a play? I said, no, no, no, we're rockers. And she said, well, I'm directing west side story in new look perfect for one of the gang members. So coming on Asian for the play, and she blew off down all and we kind of looked at each other and laughed and everything like that. But the year before when I was a freshman. I went to another high school in Glen ellyn, Illinois, and it was Glenn barred west, and they had done west side story at the school when I was a freshman, and I went to see it. And I thought it was you know, it'd be fun to get on stage and play gang member. And you know, you dance and rumble and all this stuff. So you know, I thought about it a little bit and after school there was the audition, and I decided well, let me just go down there and just see what's going on. So I was standing outside the audition all the pretty girls are going in to audition on your fan Rousseau. I turn to my bass player who was in my band. I said let's go in and we went in, and they handed me a script. I didn't know. What I what I was doing or anything like that. And I got up there. I started stumbling around. Megan jokes, people were laughing and she put me in the play. And that was the beginning of my acting after that, it changed my whole life. I mean, I I was really struggling kid. I I was having a lot of trouble and. And I write about that in the book, you know. And I think I think young people might be able to connect to that. You know, I was just not academic academically. I had a lot of trouble. I never learned how to read and write properly. I don't think when I was in, you know, those fundamentals you learn and first second third grade, I just wouldn't pay attention at all I could barely read. So when I got up there and auditioned for the play, and then I got in the play. And then I found this community of people that kind of really I just felt comfortable in it. And then I just wanted to do it over and over and over and all through high school, I kept acting in plays. And I ended up being one of the, you know, one of the top guys in the theater department. And because I was such a screw up, you know, early in high school, I didn't have enough credits to graduate on time with my class. So I had to go back to high school for a final semester. So. I was supposed to graduate in nineteen seventy three. And we we say in the book that I graduated in nineteen seventy three and a half my grandma. Yeah. But I kept doing it. And I met one of my best friends in high school who's remained one of my best friends for years, Jeff Perry who's a well known actor here in town. And then he was he was in the play west side story, and Jeff and I became fast friends. Best friends did a lot of work together in high school. He went off to college. And then I started Steppenwolf theatre and he came and worked with us in one play. And then we founded what has become a theater that's lasted for forty five years. Now, he took a little bit about Steppenwolf theatre. So for folks who don't know step a little theaters now, one of the most story theaters in the country, and you were obviously founder of it. What what was the original idea of it? And what do you think the legacy of it has been the original idea was just kids wanting to do play that was it? We just wanted to kind of in that make. Ruini, Judy Garland. Let's put on a plate thing. And we did that. And we found a church kind of that would let us use the church during the week, and we would rehearse our play isn't perform on the you know, on on Friday and the Thursday Friday, Saturday nights, and and that became the foundation of Steppenwolf theatre, you know, it was really started by eighteen year old kids seventeen eighteen year old kids. And now this theater as I said, it's I mean, this was nineteen seventy four we got this going. So it's forty five years old. Now, we own four buildings were building another one. I mean, it's it's it's kind of crazy when he looked back at it. And you see what teenagers with a passion and a dream and a desire and enough energy. And and kind of this you don't know what you don't know kind of attitude gets you in it it laid the groundwork for something that we built as we moved from Highland Park Illinois into the. City of Chicago, renovated and other space. David Mamat had originally started. We took that over we were in there for eight years, and then we built a building from the ground up and now we own three or four buildings in the same area. And it is a pretty amazing American story and something that probably could only happen in America that a high school screw up could be doing this sort of stuff just, you know, through sheer willpower and creativity because we now live in time when people tend to spend a lot of time thinking about how victimized they are how how difficult they've had it you sound like you didn't come from a background where you were significantly privileged beyond sort of the normal privilege of living in the United dad, and I write about the family and the book my dad was a film editor in Chicago. He started he's started learning in the film business when he was in the navy. He processed film that was being he was in the navy during the Korean war at one point. They said do you want to go on a ship or you wanna camera and he took the camera? He started taking pictures. They put them in the lab at the Pentagon. You know, if the in and no it anacostia, it's a it's a naval base right there in D C, and they put him in there. And he was receiving the top secret film that was coming back from the front in Korea and he had top secret clearance, and he would process this film and take over the Pentagon, and they would analyze the the war footage to help them with their battle plans and things like that. So he learned the film business. He was adding things and all that. And then when he got out of the navy went back to Chicago and started his own film film company. It was a made a modest living. It wasn't the, you know, tremendous living, but he moved. He moved us from the south side where I grew up in. I was born in blue island, Illinois lived in Harvey, Illinois, and then we moved up to the northern suburbs of Highland Park. And that's where I went to school. That's where I got into acting. That's where I meant Jeff Perry. That's where Steppenwolf started. And it was really it was. It just I was kind of a kid who was always kind of aimless. My dad was working all the time. I describe it in the book, and I was sort of on my own my mom, had her hands full dealing with my my sister, and my brother and her mother and her sister, and I was just kinda crazy out there learning things on my own trying to figure it all out. So I at an early age, I think I learned this sort of do it yourself go at it. If you can think it, you can do it sort of attitude, you know, don't wait around for somebody hand, you something. And so that's that's that's where all that came from. And you know, I continue to do that as time went on. How did you get from Chicago to Hollywood? So I had my own parents might my dad and bomber both from Chicago. They ended up in Hollywood because my dad wanted to do scoring for films that was a dream that never worked out for him. How did you end up out here? Well, it's it's a combination of thing. You know, I started stepping wolf with my buddies, Jeff Perry and Terry. Kinney and then. My parents in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven they moved to LA from Chicago. Because my dad was a film editor had business in Chicago. They wanted to open a west coast office. So he opened that office out here in nineteen seventy seven and nineteen seventy nine I took a little break and came out here took a little break from Steppenwolf came out here live with my parents to try to get in the movie business. I hear some funny stories about some of the things I did a back then, but it didn't work out. I just really struggled. I couldn't get in the door. I was trying to sneak onto lots. I was trying to audition for things. I couldn't get a job. I couldn't get an agent. You know, it was just it was just a terrible time. They kept telling me to go to get acting lessons, and I had this theater company in Chicago that I worked with and they said, and I would tell them about that. And they said, well, I never heard of it. I go get some less. And so it was really frustrating. Frustrating. Frustrating time. So I went back to Chicago went back to my theater company ended up being the artistic director started directing lot and directing plays and some of the players that I was doing just hit one of them was one of them's called true west by Sam Sheppard John Malkovich. And I were in that together. And we moved it to New York. It was the first play that we moved into New York from Steppenwolf Malkovich. Who was an early member of the company we worked together a lot and did that play. And it was it was just a big hit. It was. It was a big hit for us. We moved it to New York. First thing they're Malkovich became a movie star after doing that play. And I kept erecting went back to Chicago kept directing ended up doing some some plays that we're really doing. Well, one of those plays was called or. Orphans now that John Mahoney. Rest is so was in along with Kevin Anderson and Terry Kinney, we did it off Broadway. It was a big hit. And I was offered a movie deal by David Puttnam who he produced chariots of fire. He produced the mission he produced killing the killing fields, and he was a big producer in. They gave him a job running Columbia Pictures, and he came to see that play. And eventually they offered me a directing deal at Columbia Pictures, and I was running Steppenwolf and doing things at Steppenwolf. And I felt well it was time to to kind of break away do some other things. So I came out here and took that deal and was with Columbia Pictures for a couple years trying to find something to direct for them. That was our deal. They it was a first look deal. So they got the first locate anything that I wanted to do. I never found anything that that they wanted to do. But I find another project that I ended up doing for another studio. And that was the first movie I directed now called miles from home with Richard Gere, Kevin Anderson, but Brian Dennehy Helen hunt, Penelope Ann Miller, a bunch of people are in that. And you know as a good first try. At eventually. I think my second movie was much better. It was of mice. And man, I knew that story very very well Malkovich. And I had done it on stage like ten or twelve years before I directed the movie. So I was able to get the rights from Elaine Steinbeck to make that into a movie and. I was a little more sure handed. I think at that one. But that it was eighty seven thousand nine hundred eighty seven when I moved to Hollywood, and and then after of mice and men Forrest Gump came along. And you know, there you go well in the second ask you about the differences between erecting in and how it is to to be behind the camera as opposed to in front of the camera. But first, let's talk about making your business more efficient. Hiring can be pretty time consuming. 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How would I play it? You know, I think you know, may make an have some ideas about that and impart those two two other people, but and how do you shape the story, you know, to to to have it be compelling? So I'm always looking at that. And what I know about directing movies, or, you know, which I've only done a couple of is is what I know about acting and directing plays. So I just kind of you know, I didn't study all that. I went to high school. I didn't go to college. I just went right into founding Steppenwolf theatre and working in this basement of a Catholic school actually is where the the the original Steppenwolf was in Highland Park. And this is you know. You know, I went there was this big empty basement at this closed down Catholic school. And we ask the priest of if he let us use it. And he did and we pay them like one one dollar a year for tax write off. And so in there, we developed are skills. You know, we were isolated we weren't in the city of Chicago, where they're you know, there's a lot of other theater there. We were in Highland Park, Illinois. There's only one little theater there. And it was us. So we weren't distracted by a lot of other things, and we stayed in the basement and just worked on our skills. Worked on our work. Kind of tuned up the way, we we approach things are whole on samba approach was developed in those early days when we were kids, and I've carried that through through all these years of directing and acting carried it all those fundamentals that we learned as kids, you know, stay there. And we learned it together, really. So you've done theater, and he was on film. And you've also done a lot of TV I want to ask you about the transition from film to TV. So now TV is not considered a step down for a long time. There. It was like if you were in the films, and then he went to TV that was considered a step down. Now, you're seeing all sorts of mainstream actors big actors and performances step up to move to TV you are really one of the pioneers in that. Actually, what was it like to move from the big screen to the small screen was that a bit of a culture shock. How did that work? It was a little bit. I remember being a little hesitant about it. I mean, I was offered a television series and nine and two thousand four. And I had done a few little television things prior to that. I did a television movie with James woods, and in nineteen eighty nine call my my name is Bill w played a good supporting role in that had had a couple of episodic roles. But nothing I was always looking for the big movie part, and or the big part on stage or something like that didn't never considered settling down into a television series until it was presenting itself to me. And then you know, it was it was CSI New York. And it was already a successful franchise. They had done CSI Vegas, and then there was CSI Miami. And now they were going to spin off the third show within within four years or something like that. I mean, see us. I beg is game out two years later. They had another show in Miami. And two years after that they had another show they were putting up in in in New York, CSI, New York. So I mean, they they spun this franchise off very quickly. And I knew they had a lot invested in. This franchise CBS was going to put a lot into it. Why met with Anthony's Eicher who created the CSI franchise had a good meeting with him? And we had a good talk. And I was you know, at that time, I was very focused on supporting our military was post September eleventh. I was working with veterans. I was supporting F D N Y in New York and fire family transport foundation and nine eleven family members who had been affected by that terrible tragedy. Anthony wanted my character to to be somebody who was affected personally by September. Eleventh lost his wife on September eleventh also police officer, I knew a lot of veterans and police officers who were personally affected by that. So I connected to the idea of playing a nine eleven family member and a first responder pretty quick. Because I had been supporting them. And once I got through the idea of the the question of what will it be like the play the same guy week after week after week after week once I got through that, you know, all the other things were staring me at the face in the face, steady, work, staying home, a good franchise paycheck, all the all these things. And if it's successful there, it would be, you know, a very rewarding personally and financially set at which it was. So it was the right thing at the right time to go from you know, what I was doing to television. And after the first year of struggling through figuring out what the show was and everything like that. I really embraced the idea that I was playing the same guy every week and had this steady job and during that period, and I write about it in the book. All the things I was doing. To help the military to support various military charities and all this stuff. That fact that I had that steady work and had that that job gave me a means to support many things that I believed in that I never dreamed about. And it really was there's the the chapter in the book where I talk about. This is called perfect timing. And the timing could not have been better to, you know, with what I was doing on my charitable side and the service work and get getting handed this television series say you've worked on the stage worked on the big screen. You've worked on the small screen, which did you prefer. And why because you see people who are sometimes successful on stage. You can't make the transition to fill and people who are successful on film. Can't make the transition to stage you've done all three which did you prefer what we're sort of the the upsides downsides. I prefer employment. That's that's what I would say there. And I I I like being involved in things at that kind of make sense to me that that's it. You know, I've I've directed I've acted in all the mediums, and you know, the parts that I've done on stage have been very rewarding. Generally, you know, the what I'm done in film and television has generally been rewarding and valuable, and I I don't feel like it's been time on well-spent. So it's hard to say, Ben, you know, that I prefer one over the other each one is given me something special. And you know, I've done what I think is good work in all those mediums. Well, the Bill also obviously goes into deep detail, and I think necessary detail about your relationship with the us military. So when did you first started getting involved with all of your outreach efforts on? Behalf of of the military with first responders with with police across the country. We did it start with Lieutenant, Dan and Forrest Gump or were you doing work with military before that well that was that was certainly part of it too. You know, the the the Forrest Gump. Character was a wounded veteran lost both his legs and suffering terribly from poster Matic stress and and playing that part led me to to start working with our wounded twenty five years ago. I mean Forrest Gump came out twenty five years ago this year, so June sixth. This summer. It'll be twenty five years that was certainly a part of getting involved with with our wounded. But prior to that, actually, I I began supporting Vietnam veterans groups in the Chicago area getting involved with was supporting them back in the early eighties. My wife's two brothers served in Vietnam. And her sister's husband also was a combat medic in Vietnam. So when I met her in nineteen so really we started dating and we got married in eighty one. We started day dating seventy six she was part of the early history of Steffano from the early on some she introduced me to her brother's Andor sister's husband, and I asked him about being none. I started talking to. I was I was eighteen years old nineteen Seventy-three. It was the last year of combat operations in Vietnam. The draft was over in one thousand nine hundred eighty three I recall. Registering for selective service, but the draft was over so and I remember during high school. I'm I'm doing all those plays. I'm playing my in Iraq ban. I'm Jason those girls into the auditions and everything like that. And every night on television during that time, there are casualty reports there are terrible stories about Vietnam, and my mom and his watching the television like this. And I'm calling my girlfriend and figuring out what the set list is going to be an I wasn't really paying attention all that much. But when I met those family members of my wife, and they started. Talking to me about what it was like for them to be in Menam. And then what it was like for them to come home from Vietnam to a nation that had turned its back on our on our military and had rejected. The Vietnam veteran something happened to me. I just started thinking about that a lot, and I remember taking over as artistic director for Steppenwolf, and one of the things I wanted to do was find some material that I could do that was focused on the stories of Vietnam veterans. And I read this. So as artistic director, you always looking for plays, and you get all these publications from different cities that have the list of plays that are going on in those cities, and what's going on? So I I would do that. And I got one thing that was from LA call the drama logue. It was kind of what's going on in sort of the small theaters in LA. And I read this story about a play that was written by group Vietnam veterans, and where they were actually performing the play that they that they wrote. So every night these guys would recreate their own stories of what happened to them in Vietnam on stage. And it got very good reviews. It was a big hit it sounded very powerful. I immediately got an airplane and flew out to see it. Nineteen eighty and I was I was just knocked out. I went back the next night and saw it again. And I went home to Chicago. And I wrote to the guys that that did it. And I said would you consider letting me do this play to tell your stories that you're telling yourself on stage every night, would you let me do that at Steppenwolf? And they said no was should only be performed by veterans. We don't want anybody to do it. But that are eventually the play closed in Los Angeles. And I just kept asking him. You know, what are you going to do with it? Well, no, no, no. And eventually we were doing a play in Chicago that Malkovich directed and it was called Bowman Gilead by lanford Wilson. And it was high performance street. It was took place in a diner like a CD diner in New York. So it's got all the night people out there, the clippers in the pimps and the. Drug addicts and the junkies, and the you know, the crazy people running around it was like thirty eight people on stage. All just be crazy. You know, and it was very high energy. And we put Springsteen music in it. We put Tom waits music, and we'd put Brighi Lee Jones. And it was just very, you know, very Steppenwolf that was kind of our thing. And so I said I said to the sky John fuseco who had created this play tracers about these non veterans. I said come see it. So he flew out. He saw and he loved it. And then he he gave me the rights to do the play. I did it there. Veterans from all over the area came to see the play lot of the betterance, and this isn't nineteen Eighty-four. So this was the Vietnam veteran Walla just opened in nineteen eighty two. So this was still a time where Vietnam veterans are just not used to coming out of the shadows and telling their stories. But our play became this rallying point and veterans would come from all over, and we ended up creating a night at Steppenwolf every week that was just simply for the veterans and that began a series of events and things of my that that laid the bedrock for my veterans work going into the nineties and then post September eleventh, then just second ask you about Lieutenant, Dan how was to play that part and your work with the USO. And generally what people don't get about the military, but first let's talk about your impending doom life insurance is one of these topics that everybody knows a little bit about. 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And I read it, and I was going to audition to play Vietnam veteran, and here, I was you know, I was had been supporting Vietnam veterans for ten twelve years at that point in various ways very much wanted to play that part. Just you know, I directed that play tracers I had a cast of guys that were just amazing in all play in the being veterans. I wanted to be them. I wanted to be up there doing that myself. But I was the director and it was my passion project. Now, here's an opportunity for me to play Vietnam veteran. In a way to honor. My wife's two brothers and sisters Hudson and all the many Vietnam veterans that I had had met. It was a great story. A story of Vietnam veteran that action the ends well up until that point, you know, they started making movies about Vietnam about nineteen seventy eight. Three years after the fall of Saigon. And there was the deer hunter and coming home and casualties of war, and he's various movies started. But you always wondered at the end of those films. I if the Vietnam veterans was going to be okay at the end of every one of those movies. You're just not sure if he's going to be the be okay at the end of coming home, one of them kills themselves. You know, at the end of the deer hunter, you know, the end of the deer hunter, you're just you're just like. It was always tragic, and and you just didn't see any way for the Vietnam veteran to be okay, along comes Forrest Gump. And he goes through all that same despair and anguish and heartbreak and in loneliness, and anger and all these things, but what happens at the end of that story. He's successful. He's wealthy. He's married. He's moving on was standing up on new legs. He's moving on. And it's a happy ending for Vietnam veteran. We haven't seen that movie that story. But yet that story was the story of many Vietnam veterans just hadn't been told. There were many Vietnam veterans came back, and while there are many that struggled for many many years. There were also many that we're able to put their service years behind them and move on and business, and and be okay. And here along comes Lieutenant, Dan, and that's his story. So. I very much wanted to play that part. I was lucky to get it. It introduced me to an organization called the DAV. Disabled American veterans, which I've supported now for twenty five years because you know, almost twenty five years ago, but I'm bout a month after the movie opened they invited bided me to come to their national convention. I tell the story in the book, and they gave me an award for playing Lieutenant Dan, and they wanted to honor me for playing Lieutenant Dan in what they thought was an honest portrayal of a catastrophically injured soldier. And they just felt it was it was so many the members of the DAV our Vietnam veterans themselves. They just wanted to recognize that work and that began a relationship is as I said has lasted twenty five years every year. I go to their national convention. I play concerts for them. I've done. ES as I've done a fundraising different things for them, many friends within the DAV, we have a program at my foundation, that's in partnership with DAV that really started me focusing on our wounded then along comes September eleventh. And we deployed Iraq and Afghanistan. Our guys starting gals. You know, our our folks started getting hurt started getting killed. And I I was just I just could not sit by and do nothing. You know, that was such a devastating. Attack on our country. And now we were deploying in reaction to that. And it was also became kind of divisive time because as you recall during the Iraq war after we went into Iraq in two thousand three than two thousand four five six seven things started getting getting worse there in insurgency. There was Abu Ghraib. There was all these things during those years, you could just see it. I mean, what was happening in the coverage of it was very similar to. What was what had happened in the Vietnam war things were just not going? Well, and in just pictured our guys sitting over there watching television thinking gosh things are not going. Well, and I'm sitting right here is as they're saying on the news every night. And and I didn't want our folks deploying in reaction to that terrible event people that were signing up because of those airplanes going into those buildings. I didn't want them. To feel that there were being neglected or that the country would was going to turn its back on them or something. And it was divided time. If you recall, some people supported George Bush in the efforts to to to go into Iraq and Afghanistan, some people didn't and it was it was being. It was a very divided time. And I wanted to help you know, I wanted to help our service members get through it. So and you know, just personally I say this in the book, my heart was broken after that terrible day it was broken. And I needed to do something to to help heal that on I felt having been involved with Vietnam veterans. We'll get veterans through the DAV in the eighties nineties my role. Now would be to support the active duty folks that were responding to that attack. Yeah. No, you plenty in with with members of the military meeting members of the military, and do you have any sort of memories that stick out of that time because you've obviously done a ton of it met an enormous number of of members of the armed services, yet just just all throughout all the travels and everything I tell, you know, a number of stories in the book about that of affected me in that have galvanized. My my. Passion for for making sure that we don't forget what our defenders do for us on a daily basis in some of those stories are in the book. And I remember, you know, I tell a story about. At a kid. I remember when my grandmother passed away and. She was in her sixties, and she was a heavy smoker. And she just wasted away in the hospital. And I I went to see her, and I was I loved my grandmother, and I was just heartbroken seeing or just laying in the bed. It was it was terrible. And I just ran out of the hospital, and I never want to go. But go back to Alice Bill unless I was on a gurney. You know? And when I started doing USO my first trip was to Iraq in June of two thousand three than I came back. I went in July three weeks later. I went to Italy visited troops there in about a month later in August. I was in Germany visiting troops there. I just want. I just went boom, boom, boom. I was gone. Didn't have a job at the time. And one of the things I was going to do in Germany, go to Landstuhl medical center, which is the main hospital in Germany where people come right off, the battlefield, and they go to the hospital, and they're stabilized in Germany, and then they're sent home to the states to one of the hospitals here. And I was very apprehensive about going. I didn't I. You know, I was just like was what's it to be like, you know, hospitals? I can't stand the thought of it. And I remember my grandmother withering away. And it's just just it was a bad. And I thought now I'm going to see guys have been blown up shot at and burned up and. I was very nervous about it. I remember I can remember sitting on the bus as the bus approached the hospital, and we put on this little van, and we pull up and just as we pull up a big bus pulls up and a whole bunch of people run out of the hospital, and they start unloading gurneys that have just come off the airplane from the battlefield sent back to the hospital, wires and tubes. And you know, I vs, and you know, everything, and they're, you know, there's these guys are all stabilized, but they gotta get in there because they got surgery right away as soon as I get the hospital and that team ran out so professionally getting them out of that those buses quickly, and I just stood there and watched this was the first thing I saw at the hospital like. Seven or eight wounded guys being carried into the hospital on gurneys all with wires and missing legs and all this. I was just like, okay. Take a deep breath here. You know? And they I took me into room then had about thirty guys in it. And these were all guys that were banged up. Cuts bruises gunshot wounds. Whatever it was, but they were going to get patched up and sent back to the battlefield. And they were all in there. And they were waiting, you know, jail on their face from burns, or whatever, you know, they were going to get fixed up and sent back to the war zone. I walked in and I had a USO hat on. And I'm like, this is remember this is before CSI New York. So I was Lieutenant Dan, but you know, I hadn't done much else. So I didn't know what to say. Or how to start it in? Somebody looked at me. And he said Lieutenant Dan any Annie E burst in to smile, and they all had these thousand yards stairs on on. You know, they were quiet in there. It was quiet. Nobody was saying anything and then one guy just lit up and started smiling. Call me Lieutenant Dan, then everybody started coming around, and laughing they can pictures and all of a sudden the whole mood in the room. Just completely changed. Nobody knew what my real name was. They just saw me from the movie, and they wanted to talk about the movie, and and I saw gosh. And then I left that room after being in there for ninety minutes or so shea. Taken has taken pictures sign an autograph to go upstairs to the hospital rooms. But I knew when I left that room. Gosh, I just brought something into that room. That was really really positive it chain. It changed the whole mood in the room just showing up. So I went upstairs, and that's when I saw a lot of really badly wounded people some didn't even know I was there, but their family members had flown from the states to Germany, and there were standing over hospital beds of amputees and waiting for them the wake up, and I changed their moods. Just by showing up. I'll never forget that. Because it started a a whole journey of trying to support our wounded that I've been on ever since it's an amazing thing. And it's also out imagine something that keeps you grounded. I mean, I've lived in Hollywood my entire life. You've been out here longer than alive. But the, but the fact is that remind me, but the fact is that you see so many people who you know, are very wealthy and very famous you seem to have lost their grounding in reality. And you haven't do you think that you're you're both between your family life and your work with the troops? That's what helps keep you grounded and on solid ground partially and par- par- partially. My just the background from working in a basement for all those years, we, you know, with with actors a lot of the actors that were with us in those early days Joan Allen Laurie Metcalf as I said Malkovich. Jeff perry. You know lot of Gerry Cole. Lot of lot of. Folks, are all just sort of grounded in this Illinois thing that we had at that time. And they remember the days where we all worked for free. We didn't get any money and everybody was just doing it for the love of it that getting that gave us a lot of. I think a good good fundamentals. You know, when we moved away from that into something that we had all had to struggle for, you know, nobody came out here, you know, just got handed stuff right away. I mean, everybody kind of. You know, work work their way up, you know, Malkovich was a little bit different. Because we went he started. We went to New York. He started doing movies after that. But you know, everybody had a pretty good grounding. I think once we once we started moving into the movie business already in just simply because we remember it wasn't always, you know, glamorous. And all that there was there was a struggle for a lot of folks to to get there. And I remember that and and certainly, you know, when you go to war zones, and you see how people are living in the war zones, and you live with them that way for a little bit. And you eat with the new sleep on what they sleep on. And and all of that. And you continue to do that. It gives you a a a. Cancer reality. 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PumpRules: Engagement Ghost

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PumpRules: Engagement Ghost

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The small business of running the Sir Empire. Ooh Co cheese goat cheese. Vanilla enveloped Manila envelopes. I don't know why don't you tell me about the gym? And all I think about his cake smell of vanilla envelopes on delicious. I turn on the TV this morning to watch this show to recap for right now at this moment and I turned on the TV and literally deep impact just starting and I was like. This is a great metaphor for what's going on with their show deep impact. I mean this is like it's like I feel like the Sir asteroid hurtling towards Earth. And we're all just GONNA be killed at some point because this show is just gotten just so catastrophically dull it's asteroid of dullness. That is coming at us. It's like an epilogue you know like when you watch a movie and the movie ends and they're like pfft four years later look at everybody being happy and then you kind of see the asteroid out in the you know like for the sequel. Like maybe you'll see a glimmer of the asteroid. That's what's happened like everybody's happy and this is one big long epilogue of watching them all just like happily fuck each other and you know. Eat Tuna sandwiches and stay in bed K. Listen that's great and what? I want to rewind to the movie. You better be fucking somebody else. But I'll tell you that much right now. Better be Christian immediately. Well you know I'll tell you one thing that I had forgotten about deep impact. Is that a pretty much starts with Like a scientist in a In like an observatory alone late at night eating a piece of pizza listen to music having a great time and then suddenly. His little computers like danger. There's a comet. And he's like Oh Shit. There's a calm. And he tries to tell people but like the servers down so he saves the data on a floppy disk which is hilarious and he takes a floppy disk and then he gets into his car with a big cell phone and starts driving down this perilous cliff to be like. I got a rush somewhere to tell people. It doesn't asteroid coming. But because he's on his phone trying to tell someone he veers into the other lane and a truck drives off the road and crashes and explodes. And I was like this this this. This is the metaphor this is. The metaphor outdated technology which is basically sir or various faces and Like danger and the audience is just like the audience is like watching thinking. It's we're going to have a lovely night but there's an asteroid coming. I don't know what the metaphor is to be honest but it just feels like there's wondering find one that I was going with yours. I can't wait to learn with this. Metaphor is the metaphor. The metaphor is that like trying to talk on the phone while you drive. Don't talk on the phone while you're shooting a reality show. Yeah this show is basically somebody on their phone while they drive right now this with their weaving all over the road there in your way July. Yeah I'm trying to get somewhere and they're like what the point is. It's it's just not in a very good place. It's it's basically in place of a scientist who's just exploded in his car while trying to save the world that's where the show is right now deep impact. Yeah yeah boring impact. Oh so I noticed something how come in that very. This is how great the episode is by the way this recap is going to be five minutes. So why is it that in the opening you know when they it's like everybody's spilling drinks all over the place and Shit you okay and then it ends with them in the class photo how that Lisa Vander pump is the only one with wind in her hair? I mean it's amazing special effects or did they just have like a little fan does very high powered and far away. That's only hitting her. I think it's special effects. Simba's like yeah. It's like those weird photos that somehow like you ever see those photos with swirling affects to them. There's almost like water behind them. Yes I yeah. I WANNA make watch crap in posters like that. It's like we're in a picture and we're still but then you know I'm winking Ya. Yeah I would like I would like to have A portrait I think. Each of us have a portrait but a haunted house portrait. Where like the is will follow you and then maybe we might like change expressions behind your back. I love that I'm going to have like an opposite where I'm never looking at you. The viewer you know. I'm always looking away like you can look at it head on and I'll still like look away like mental health some very high roughly collar ladies andropov. I'll I'll have a George Washington collar and maybe in a powdered wig. Okay the point is Christmas. Dating Someone Worth Twenty Million Dollars. We know this. You know this No I hear the Kristen. Here's the kristen gossip since I was in my office. Otherwise known as my bed K. Ding ding very important news. And I looked at my phone and kristen is so mad because he was running errands and she was wearing like a jumpsuit. Kind of thing. They're kind of like those fifties mom pants where people pull them all the way up to read into their boobs or whatever and you know high waisted I guess is what I'm trying to say like these tight little pants and she has like a little pooch or whatever who cares. She has like a body a normal boss stomach. People called what they're called down aches and some some took a picture of her and was like his kristen pregnant. And I'm just laughing because that's like the most awkward thing ever you know we've all been here and sees I'm asked if I'm pregnant constantly and so is Katie by James. I've still got one of my nieces convinced that I am pregnant. Long-term with a baby named Felisa like my little sky so anyway See got really pissed. And she's like. Listen here. Reality Blurb ooh folk you go fuck yourself and told them off on twitter and staff and then the rest of that article so of course had to read the article so I went to read the article and it was like Oh. She's running errands with her new boyfriend. Who's were twenty million dollars? Oh you go girl. So what if? Kristen ends up being the richest one out of all these snotty bitches. Do you think they'll start rocking tour again? Of course of course they will once. Kristen is like I got PJ too. I want her to show up next season in a like a large like dynasty hat like Joan Collins. Walking into that courtroom. I want her to just be like big hat. Big shoulder pads like a big big big white top of big black buttons on it and And like a little veil on that hat and just be rich and rich and snooty. And that's what I want for my feather Bo. I want her to come into sir like heard Diana Doll Ugh. I remember when I told you to suck a Dick. We'll now I order you to suck a Dick because I on all of these restaurants on and another thing. You're all fired. All fired hug. I would love that if like next. Season begins with Kristen taking a seat down with at least savannah pumps table and they like. I'm rich now on buying sir. Oh it's like a hostile takeover and then just like twenty seconds of them staring at each other. Oh that'd be great. I'm going to rename this restaurant stupid. really for today's special. We have a seriously a sauce of seriously. We have a seriously vice so but seriously seriously. So this episode opens up with dossier and Bo and they're looking through telescopes and Stopping sees crazy size star in the sky and like this is cute. I love that we're on this date. Sorry guys I mixed that impact notes. Yes doc- comes home guilty after acting with complete jackass in the last episode screaming. I feel so embarrassed and so we earn up again. Leave your new either than me right now. So she comes in with the worst Mac and cheese ever made. I'm sorry I know this is going to start fights with you guys because already love this. But this should is terrible is at. Amy's is that what it's called as I said. Annie's or Sean all I know is that did not say K. R. A. F. T. Okay Oh it's terrible and it's terrible. I don't care what anybody says. I used to get that when I had Mac and cheese cravings from the whole foods and you get it from whole foods. It's so much healthier because it's from it's still tastes like you're eating pure cancer okay. It's cancer noodles. I'm John Carroll. Yeah plastic noodles. No no an yeah. No it should be craft. I feel like you either. You either go all the way into craft or you do it yourself. There's no inbetween unless you do so first frozen which is arguably maybe the best of all yes So she brings in some. You know I'm sorry Mac and cheese she. She brings him some sorry. I'm sorry Mac and cheese and makes it for him to apologize. I I wrote. I wrote in saucy brought apology Mac and cheese. That's so funny. We've learned how to label our foods the same way. Yeah and she's like sorry. It was just mystery directed anger for all that nothing that Christian has done to me. Yeah enjoy a lifetime of misdirected anger though because this is what's happening so then bows like sausage making this Mac and cheese and she's apparently doing it wrong. Boas silently judging her and he's like You'RE GONNA add some salt to that and she takes like a tiny little like pinch position it in there and like that is not enough. That is not enough especially 'cause you know that Annie's is probably under salted brand to start with And she's like well. I'm glad that you're forgiving me so that we can go mausoleum shopping together now. So they're going to do that. So then we go over to Peter. Who's in this weird mood? This season. Where everything he does is like. Oh why I'm pete like he's turning into a next door neighbor dad. I feel like I feel like he's the host on a Sitcom or he's like he's like in Casablanca or something. The Guy who runs the restaurant Sam as his name. I don't know the point is is like he was just like very sick. Commie. He's very like Disney family. Lake the guy who runs the diner and the kids come in and so he says okay so who was what. Let me guess hotdogs okay. I'll be right back. Yeah someone who used to run this place all so data's asking him is it. Dana Ono. Danika dammit Danny. Because like I got saw yeah. I got some socks for softball and I got them at a sex toy stars. You're gonNA play your play because I need some sex toys. I'll yeah I had forgotten that there is going to be softball game. This episode the dreaded Bravo the the the dreaded Bravo like intramural. Stretch this footage episode. Which is what we saw. We saw on Atlanta. We see it on a lot of these shows when there's a softball game or a kickball game or some sort of silly competition to find out who's WHO's better than we'll literally no one on the show in the audience literally no one cares except for like maybe Andy Cohen. I don't know but like it is like is whenever these episodes pop up is just like a nightmare. Yeah it actually turned out to be one of the best parts of the episode which I mean sad so then we go. Let's let's also talk about Brad. Brad had his mind blown in the scene. We cut over to him and he goes. These Napkins are like really staff McGuire Brat. He's like some big big moment for him today. So you've never folded Napkin. I'm Peter goes up to you Dame he's like Oh. Do you know where table fourteen isn't? She has yacht and he goes. Oh okay all right. Well glad we had this talk with great. So now we go over to Tom and Ariana's house and Sandoval as vacuuming their couch with this like ghostbusters kind of vacuum. It's like a proton pack. So he's very excited about that. Vacuum Competition Brel. I lend you you do. So it's worth comes over and They basically talk about softball and James Comes. They're going to practice in the backyard and James is sober but he's so he's so sober. He's cracked out. I'm not really sure what's happening. I think is one of those people that become sober and just seems like a coke head. Because you've never seen him sober before. Not Reality Probably. Yeah I think he just so excited to be shooting. You know like You know just to be in front of the camera that he gets to be part of this softball game. So reminds me of absolutely fabulous because he comes in and he's like I am so so I've never been this amazing art play the show the other day and I got off state and I could feel the energy bro. I feel the energy and you just need Edina to come up and hand them. A glass of champagne like falls down. Never never never another day in his life. Yeah yes so they're so they're getting ready for the big the game and by Schwartz is like. Wow Oh you look so fresh and cooking. You look amazing Unlike me I swam in a river. For Old Time Sake. It turns out it wasn't rivers gutter behind the Von's Oh God So they go out to practice in the back and What what happens? That's all I have nothing. That's doc- in Bow. They just like literally throwing a ball around. So thence dossier bow They are at the the the graveyard and they're looking mausoleums and stuff and saucy is like Did you lock the car? Because I do. Not Want a spirit hijacking my car. I'm like first of all I feel like that's what she would want. Second of all like can't even imagine the poor spirit. That's like okay finally. It's my chance to get out of this graveyard. I'm hopping in this. I'm GONNA happen this like BMW SUV and then like it. Turns on the radio and it's just like nothing but lay ms music playing like you know what I'm GonNa stay on the graveyard the most depressing shit ever like. Now have to listen to you. Know some hooker being you know abused He's like I'm trying to get away from apennine right now if I have to hear a little follow raid and one more time. I'm going to hang my. They're going there in the Hollywood cemetery which I know as the dollar movie theater basically. Yeah because that's the only reason I ever go there Watch movies in the summertime and movies on on on a giant mausoleum wall. We should let people know because people will be like wait. What what are you talking about? Easy movies at the senator. He's sick bastard. That's why that goes probably wants to hijack the car goes tired of all these like basic Hollywood people coming in and picnicking on top of caskets and watching you know like I don't know the breakfast club on you know like that's the last thing that goes wants it goes. I'm sick. S have rose as spilled on Migra too many times. I'm leaving the I've had it with movies from the eighties. All right so they're walking around and Stasi's like you're lucky that we're doing this because you'll know that I'm taking care of so then the rest of your life you don't have to worry about it. You can just Morn when I die. And he's like sick the you're not marrying again fucking can. I'm more and while you're alive. Is that okay? So she's like Oh my God look at that old. Tommy writing I li- I love that he goes. It's called Latin. Whatever so he's had his friend rob come. Hide the ring somewhere in here Rod Can ring in like seven minutes laugh with sounds like a terrifying and stupid idea in the Hollywood. Look if anything is GONNA get stolen. It's going to be that thing and it's going to be there okay. Yeah a hundred percent but somehow it's not stolen and so they take a seat on the bench and bows Oh. I wonder what that is is because it's like in this. It's like non traditional box. It's almost it almost like a tiny little pagoda. And so he's like wonder what that is and socks like. Oh I wonder if one of those things that like dead people like those bells they would have to ring through Baird alive. I have to bring the ballots I would like. Did he gets one of those. And he's like trying to propose to my God. Is this a ring ring? That like people wear to show the really bad in the spirit casts a spirit side. It's your engagement ring. Oh my God. It's like an engagement ring that goes to us to keep away. The spirits like the bad spirits that way. The Messenger doesn't come and attack them in the cops like I am. This is going to be the most touching story when they tell their kids so we were graveyard and then you know I found like a dead person bell and then turned to your mom and she said shut the fuck up and then I said you WanNa get married and she. She doesn't even say yes. I'm like Oh my God I mean. Does it grabs the ring like my shares. She's like Oh yeah by the way. Yes yes I am. Yeah so we get a little clip montage of their their Whirlwind Rover. Romance where he's like. Nick PLEDGED MY HEART. Bro. And they'd like there'd been good times and there have been bad times and then it shows yesterday literally like literally I mean. The bad time is not far behind us. But Hey you know there's been good times you see him in the dinosaur costume and Bad Times Stasi two minutes ago in the car. I dreamed a jury dot. I know so Let's see so. He tells her that lease invited them over. And she's opening up her home and staff and he and Katya shorts. Hello let's call Katie and Schwartz. Well they call it the they actually called Katie on Lala. I think so She's like you know it's so funny. Thought he was like you know. It's so funny Katie. You're so mean I was wondering. Like why is she? Why would she like being so mean about? Be about this all summer long in cages. Like I'm always mean. What are you talking about? I know it was actually mad that they had that over the phone so we could make a meam out of that and just after the rest. I just need that in my life. Katie to sing always mean to sit. Yeah it was actually the nicest thing she's ever said. Yeah Yeah Katy actually had a good episode which made me feel weird. You should go. You know she's going wrong when I'm like. Oh Katie's not so bad so Then we robin rip off Trixie. Monocle didn't even bother to work today. She's like just play Robin. Just play Robin until the last ball. Play it backwards. Right side smoking allman. I'm in a I'm in an APP. Thinking wait bought by my set. Whoa WHOA WE. That was really good. Actually that was hard on my on moving to a beach. So Lee so over Villarosa Vander prompts like I made salad cakes flowers. Oh Table Halsey lacked inside of a light jake. Yeah She's also wearing address. That seems to say I'm still in mourning but I also want to pretend I'm Jaylo morning bowl jello headband. That miring so law line Katie. Come over and Lila's in one of those little dresses that you are make it in laces up on the sides so you can see it. Looks like a shell decides home. It looks basically like she took a Plastic grocery store bag and cut a hole in it for her head and two holes for like an just sort of like draped it over her body and tied it up along the sides fashion Hash NGOs also Dr- carrying the world's largest chanel bag like an unnecessarily large back and see Katie. Kitty has has tiny little bag and then Lalas essentially a canoe chanel on it draped on her shoulder. Yeah Lalas basically dressed. How I'm going to need address after this quarantine like I'm just going to have to split everything upping its up the sides and just put she laces on it. Continue to expand while old navy is closed. Yeah I mean we should have realized that pandemic was coming in 'cause she's essentially wearing a face mask right like just like fabric and ties. Yeah so they come over and Vander pump courses like. What are you wearing around my husband? Omar seriously wearing is nothing under that and she flashes her a little bit and you just the flesh rainbows right behind him who's as observed in hello la so everyone's like then we see like clips of everyone being like. Oh my God. Did you see that SASKIA MBO got engaged? Wow Wow wow. Wow Wow it's they're all excited everyone's talking and then. Katy Texas everyone and let them know that there was gonna be Party at Lisa's house and But because of the big fight that Sasa gotten with Kristen last night. Kristen is now officially not invited and rendered prompts. Like oh I feel bad folk ru studio and Mama says This is like the second friends engagement. She's missing and at some point. She still look in the mirror and be like what am I doing? That's why I say to you every time you get your lips filled I mean. Yeah what is he doing? Not Flying her friends around on private jets in order to buy their friendship. Possibly okay and I hate this. She adds the Bachelor K now at the end of all of her words. It's making me crazy like I get it. You know whether it's time for commercial it's time for crap comedy show. Well I could tell you what Kristen's doing. She's clearly ordering everything off of Amazon prime. She was hoarding before herding became cool. Because she like. She's putting Catherine Dennis the shame because we go over to Kristen's house and there is just like an enormous stack of Amazon packages. I'm like you're not even on Summer House. Why do you have so many boxes? She's like dossier used to tell each other everything and to find out social media when there's an engagement engagement parties says she didn't call her texts. Meet are are not gonNA spend my entire night. Swiveling mush shoulder forward and backward Fordham. Back would it be like seriously? It's over it's over. So that law calls are. I don't even know why calling her. I I don't understand this off to rub it in. Well it's like to rub it in. But it's like I think that like she also wants to somehow be viewed as the nice person here as the one who's GonNa let her down easy because it's the right thing to do but it's really just like an obnoxious thing to do and so she calls up because of questions just like high-skill. Hi How's it going like? I already know they got engage already. Know there's an engagement party and I already know. I'm not welcomed there so crooked and she's like well Lisa even thought you were going to come but last night things went so far to the left she would because I asked you know both you still my friend. She's like that is such a weird question to ask Y. I've known for four years. Ooh Yeah Yeah by. What is the point of of calling someone to say? Listen you're going to be invited until last night. So but nine or non violent will. What's who does that. Who Call somebody to tell them that. La La Logic. She's law. I don't see it thirty year olds. Ask each other that question that often. What are you talking about the maturity of fucking people while you're dating like some fifty year olds yeah? Are you know what I don't see a lot? I don't see a lot of forty six year olds ordering Two Fried Chicken sandwiches. Hold the bread at a fancy restaurant. I don't see that happening a lot. Oh God only because I don't eat chicken that's only because when you're forty-six just stop dreaming. That's why you don't have. You don't have embiid anymore for you randolph. But the thing the thing is this though like what is Lola talking about. I don't see many thirty six year olds doing that. Like is there a sample size? This like this show because not a lot of people in the age range depicted on this show. Do the things that people do on this show. Yeah how many thirty six year olds do you see kicking each other out of parties. Because they don't like that they're talking to their boyfriend like me break so Christmas like okay but he text me and then with dossiers around. He doesn't talk to me like that has now fiance Chris. I hate when people do that. They're like oh up she's pregnant. You can't say anything to her she is. You can't say anything to them because they're engaged. Now what the Fuck Kinda rule is that addict? I know okay so stupid so questions like are you calling to argue with me and lalas like I'm calling to see how you're feeling but you don't care of those things like I'm okay. Bye Now Chris. Thank God secrecy. So annoying thanks so knowing. You're the one who called you you. You poke the bear. The Kristen Bear. You know your stiff del. Stip at okay. Hey this week. Harris the judgment death-ray your stuff des Bois. So if you go to Darcy in Bo- driving down found nabbed I I literally spent the scene focusing more on the streets outside there I was like I don't Santa Monica. Now they're on fountain now. They're on sunset. Wait a second. They're back on found this continuity issues but That's really what we're dealing with here. So they call they call her dad and he's like wow narc great. Well this is Greg Calling you dad. Thanks thanks for the support. He's like awesome. Some Drinking Club Soda. Sorry for the Hiccup everybody but guess what all right because I just banged my microphone. Oh well I'm sorry for Ben Banias. Microphone while I've hiccuped. They'll I only did it because you hit up. So it's your fault. GotTa Hey cups. They're annoying okay so anyway So they're just Driving Lisa's and Carter texts though and was like Don't forget to thank Kristen for hooking you guys up. Because she made it happened and now in south you treat her like Shit. That's cold blooded. Shit right there also can. I have five dollars. Thanks in advance exactly and they spend the rest of this episode like Robert Carter even Beetham mad about it. It's just trying to get on. Chris gets because it also means that Carter has been cut out of this party. That's why Carter is like the biggest hanger on ever so needs to be on Christmas. Good side because otherwise. How's he going to get his OATMEAL and when they get tech stocks? It's like are you kidding me? Send that to me right now. Send it to me. I just got engaged and my first or businesses detect. Kristen thank you this. I don't like them my fucking drive to my fucking engaged party. She's I am actually like really into how much of a monster dossiers already being about being engaged. It's like it's going to be so good and she's embracing it so swertz Okay so everybody starts arriving at Villarosa. We see a little senior source walking along going. Yeah he's going up and then everyone else shows up and Brittany's lack all. She never gets old come again. He'll off the alarm apprentice fiery. Tell Ya Dan And Tom Sandoval is like well. Look at that turtle. He's just chilling there Maryanne. It's like that's kind and area on Schwartz. I didn't eat all day so excited for your seven course meal. What the fuck. Because apparently he told this big elaborate lie to get out of there without ruining the surprise and he's like making a seven course meal guys are idiots if you really believe that through. Have we ever seen him? Cook one thing actually yes. He cooked stakes. He apparently is a good cook but he remembered Acheson. Yeah that's right. Oh and I think he did. They did some of the menu tasting stuff for Tom to right or is it. Yeah I just I just like how like the most successful competent thing he's ever done is telling elaborate lie about a seven course meal. He's like Oh yeah. It's going to be on the open. European dish with some Berbera seasoning and Cast iron skillets a little miniature one for everyone and then some Some fresh homemade sour dough rolls. The Star was actually started five years ago. Oregon. So it's an Oregon based Artisan bread I was like Damn. That sounds delicious. Like why? Why is this? The only thing he's good at is very elaborate cooking lies. Yeah well people don't do anything have more time share of things like wow. Gosh I would do something. So great was set with little. T- tiny skillets So then Swertz a you know whatever it's Wacky so then Van Trump all right now. Listen this is a surprise party so his what's going to happen. You people need to hide because install. Seeing Bo would becoming across that bridge and when they come they won't be here and I'll say come out and then you'll come and you'll say surprise and that is what constitutes a surprise party. I'm glad you all have a little trick. I learned when when I was apprentice for Magic School. Surprise so Saskia MBO arrive at least looks at sausage ring. She's like Oh Darling. It's beautiful for a poor person looks wonderful. Oh and by the way you thought this was the surprise but guess what's more and then her whole family steps out basically was like the amazing race family edition Reunion That I've been waiting for for about fifteen years so I was happy. Nikolai just comes out and goes surprise surprise. We bought you a four person bicycle that we can ride around as a family again and get eliminated on the amazing race afterwards. Yeah and Psych On my God this is touching van from cintas darling. I've also got to dress for you if you'd like to change. I mean you look on the coaches but if you'd like changed. Charleena these pictures all going to go on everyone's instagram dot. Languid could reflect on me yes address. I was originally going to give to Pandora but I think it looked better than you. Let me ask you something. Do you like Tiny digital blitz and baby doll dresses. Yes they're perfect So Katie's like Yeah who cares? I'm just like you're GonNa Wear Ghost outfit. Okay Okay Back Down there I was like. Wow you look so nice was like why am? I writing this down yes you go staff and Katie explains that it goes it goes outfit. Is the APP that you would wear as it goes which is kind of funny to me. I love to watch the show and she was like damn. Why did I have to get stuck in this some boring outfit? She never looked cute. That makes me mad that even as it goes out to worry about what I how I dress like damn it. And then jacks like liked jacks and sandoval and Schwartz are like talking to Bo Jackson. Welcome to the club. Bro. I'm like Oh I hate the way that Jackson Brittany really of like sees this aspect of being married and just like really are riding at as far as they can. Of course Jackson the first person to say welcome to the club. It's like yes we got A. You're yeah and then Stasi is talking to the girls and Oh my God I was wondering why you guys were being so nice to bow last night. Like what the fuck and I was like. Yeah I was like tonight. You need to give them a path. You started Lis. Lis comes out plates. And she gives a plate testosterone goes. Oh I don't know how this happened. I wound up aging on you comedy. Yeah Oh this is the service you should have given all of our customers when you have the time so fabulous so you know. I know a lot of Nevada prop has a lot of haters these days. But how many places do you go where you get little individual cheese boards? I mean come yeah. It's pretty amazing. And of course Brittany is so jealous. You know of sweet sweet. Britney the real side comes out. She's like you know our engagement. Jake's had a little surprise party an apartment at least like an empty which was cool and all but if we don't we'll rose instead of our apartment I would. I Would Have Been Fun Lady. Who showed up to a job interview? Yeah now this is like now like her perfect wedding. Her perfect engagement. All that stuff is now starting to fall apart for her. She's realizing that other people have had a little bit better and now it's the world is crumbling and it's you know it's like now she's going to fully into baby making she is. She needs that baby. It's a to distract away the feelings so cheer birth your feelings Brittany Birth your fiance. So cheers everybody So everybody's eating an honest like Oh my God Tom. This is supposed to be Christians. See we can't get through this without hearing imaginary seriously. She's like she's like I just feel her energy like she's saying that she can't hear clearly better tiny eardrums saying things like. What are they saying? You'll hurt and just keep showing this footage of Kristen at the table interspersed cutting seriously what did you say? I have tiny eardrums. I can't hear what you said following down this being crested this show need inaugural baskets needed kristen at the table. And I don't care if it's the start shit. What do you think you're on National Geographic? Of course we need to start shit. I wanted to be there and Mike. Start sending po tax across the table just to watch go you know go haywire. So Britney's like Oh my God. I can't believe cortex on the garden guy when I do it for you. And then she is talking to Nikolai. And she's like why do you think about bow? And he's like he's fine. Okay and you're going. You're tall can't believe how tall you are. He's like yeah You have a girlfriend girlfriend. Adriana Taller Than Bowel Jeff girlfriend that like high school high school like Jesus Christ lady and then they cut to see in the telling us. I'm in twenty one thing is I think I would have accomplished. I don't date than that. They are so cold as seen. It looks like Rape Child. I know that's what I was. The only this interview was probably dredged up two years ago and they just slice it in there to make her look like she is a Predator and she's like Oh my God. Mike look at us like myself and now I level. Do you have an Apple Watch? They're really great. Place categories. Well they think of us as like okay okay. Maybe they were onto something so now we go back over to you WANNA discuss Brett. I mean I bow Seeing I I didn't think it was funny. That Jackson was going to text. Qarterback like some nasty texts to stamp for Stasi. Because Jackson is just so chivalrous you know and they're like no dude. You don't have to do that and he's like well. I know why corner really texts. He just wants to get kristen points. Make it look like he was standing in for Christine. I'm not following for that Shit. Yeah says the guy who is like the king of getting Britney points like in fact that entire wedding was nothing but Brittany. Points storing up capitals. So we can cheat again. He's like filling up his tank tank. And then we find out the Brett is a no worries. Waiter I hate no worries waiters waiters. Those people who bring your food and then you go thank you and they go no worries also like you know that really had full freedom. He would be kneeling. Waiter to yeah. Have we seen him neil yet? He's totally kneeling waiter. Not yet but I'm sure you like guaranteed kneeling at your table. Where Ron Yelling? Yeah he's a no worries dealing waiter. Nowhere is kneeling waiter and He probably also like volunteers. Favorite dishes before you even like ask. He's like any question about I have to say. I love the iceberg lettuce. It's so good thanks. I didn't ask your opinion so then went out at the smoking dempster Charlie is hanging out with Dana. Raquel and Dana So has everything going and Charlie goes. You know who says? I still haven't had the pasta here Charlie. Oh Charlie says. I haven't had the pasta here. And she's like it goes. Don't it's a slippery slope and she's well. I finally have spaghetti for the first time the other day at Olive Garden. Yeah just barely try to like. I liked that her. Arc really is about Pasta so I love this show for what it is. I mean you're still essentially what the show is so Brett comes outside and then pretty much half the girls are like I like what is my is my body odor. I'm like no but I'm assuming it's just an immense amount of axe body spray and we know you use it because you said so. What do you guys were throwing axes so anyway? So Damon tells them Yom and I walked in and it was really weird vibes with Max. That party but maximus you know. Look I just wish I met you before Max. Because he's a kid and you're like a man like we have these conversations. Yeah he's like. Yeah you just understand me in regards to what. I'm feeling new and I mean no worries. Modify kneel down over here no worries you know what's in my heart knowing that mean no worries yeah dinners like. Yeah Presa fuck man when breadth. Hugs me I like being brisk man when Max hugged me. I'm afraid I'm a break arms now. And she's like yeah and he's just GonNa be onto the next Saini thing and Brad says yeah he's like one of those guys who's like fishing but with like one of those blanket things and then he takes all the fish and she's like. Yeah he's overfishing. It's like all one of those men who fishes fishermen. Yeah love that so then waking up in the morning. Stasi's already staring at hurrying. Dogs pillow above our heads. That kiss at kissing. You fucking bitch. You're out of this wedding. She is fully on a power trip. May Her dogs kisser. Ray like it's kind of amazing right and she's like I want a small intimate romantic wedding in Italy. Okay and bows like Can we just like have a moment just like enjoy this moment for? Redo all think about that. Let's just enjoy -joy this moment? She goes well. Part of joining. Moment is planning okay. Anyway order your taxes over there in the corner. Yeah she's like the second ring on my finger. I turned into a terrorist. Oh so he's like Come on and he's like who are you right now. I'm a bright team man. Yeah so there. We go over to Chris House and we see she has put out a welcome mat that says have the best day ever period. Yeah no it says have the best day ever but the period at the end with a period trying to inflict as have the best day ever is like an exclamation point at the. That's true this is more like have the best thing ever seriously it. So Jackson come over with a lawn mower and Britain. He's like are you go and Jax tells us I love Cutting Grass Pitch. Because my dad liked it. Okay all right. I thought taxes odd odd like love of mowing lawns. Was the first enduring thing that he has exhibited in like four years on. This show we'll enjoys is exhibited. Yeah exactly most kind of cute. I thought that he just loves mowing lawns. But also kind of psychotic. Because he's like. I love the lineup. The lines you know like okay with little little scary yeah One of the people on our facebook was saying that in Australia. When you say I like cutting people's lives that means you like fucking your neighbors wives. Oh well it's makes much more sense. Yeah that does make sense so Jacksonville knowing about grass. He's like Scott kind of grass out here. Jeeze Bermuda Grass at here just got contract. Kentucky Law Grass isn't GonNa work was going to happen when Jackson just stops doing drugs. Mike whole world is GonNa fall apart. Brittany is going to be like outfitting more seriously so so Britney's tiny crazy okay. Yesterday from instead of you know from one like we all went into Lisa's House. And then you weren't invited and then you're the only one who wasn't there but like everyone else layer but like not you and like you weren't included a gain so like it was just like another milestone you miss. Are you okay from that and stuff? No I didn't want to be around. Anyone insult headquartered. Take the dog. I would've liked about what about the dogs or a post up on. Yes ever went in and agitated state because even when she said no she was like she couldn't say no she says look no seriously. I'm not okay. You're supposed to buy your dog out. That's what they're there for. Like everything a human does bumster dot like. I you make them happy and you give him a treat and their call. My God that was amazing but the second you stop hiding them. They're like why did you stop letting me do you hate me? I'll just sit over here while you don't pay me any attention. I'M GONNA pretend I'm ignoring you while I'm staring at you from this couch. Not paying any attention to me. Are you having fun to make? I want to die maybe taking a nap and keep one eye half open while I watch about Vegas. Kristen thinks that she hasn't been consistently bumming out her dogs all the time. Then you know she's misguided okay. I don't think by sending them away from one night. It's going to relieve them from them being bummed out in her presence. I know another with Carter. How did those dogs a favor? Probably you prostituting them out to get some cash. They're probably loading photography equipment into somebody's so Britney's like we didn't want you to find that takes you on instagram. And she's like Oh you know what? Why why does it make it better when lockout calls me and hang up on me? Because that's what she did. I'm like wait a minute. Call a Nicole. Carter did a goal Gardo happy. Yeah and then. Jackson comes in because he brought the wrong batteries for the MOWER and so it died which we actually saw happen and he was like very crestfallen about it and so he comes inside like yeah the Modi also You Know Kristen Carter Center's tax. This is what he said. And we think. Just doing it to get Brownie points with you. And she's like totally like Brownie points received any given out. Yeah she's like that's the sweetest thing anybody's ever done for me. I swoon. To Little. So then we go over to park to see this softball. Game and Of Katie comes in with a great attitude. She's like it's not that I've never played softball that I hate this game. This is what you do when you're married you you support your husband by standing around eating all the dots complaining. Okay Yeah so then we live slang softball guy. Yeah everyone's wearing black Lisa Vanda pump shows up to throw out the ceremonial first pitch. And what I loved about. This is that Lisa was actually dressed. Almost identically to Mariah Carey in her iconic Baseball pitch clip from when she was at a baseball game in Japan as well. I Love I love. Lisa's dedication to this Maria Moment. It was great. How many times do I need to tell you? Part of the community to yeah so at least it's like when it comes to team building exercises. I'm on board so it's kind of funny because it used to be that when Lisa would show up at these kinds of events I was like okay. The was made our show up. But I'm kind of getting the feeling like Lisa's really lonely now do you. Do you get that vibe. I feel I feel bad for Lisa. She's like showing up everything that they can excuse like. Normally I would not go to rock and Riley's celebrate Brett's new hangnail pot. You know I want to be as supportive boss. Unlikely you're bored and you're lonely right now. She's not sheathing with other ladies now so she's like television. This Sangria doesn't set itself. Normally I would never go to the movies with Stacey and Katie. You put you know. I like to encourage my former employees. Have an active social life. So here I am. It's like you wanted to go to the movies for two gals all me. I don't just hang out behind mausoleums. Just in case someone shows up to propose to somebody but normally I don't walk around with extra battery packs for lawnmowers but you know I want to encourage good lawn health for my friends normally. I don't walk other people's dogs but Christmas so upset Luke in the valley where it's mystical place. Anyway that we are only. I don't deep fry chicken in mass but sometimes it's important for my former employees fiance. Would you like some catch up with your extra fried chicken breasts? No worries everything. You just like me. Who would have thought that team would come up you waiting on? Allah random when they've opened up in the morning and I'm already at the house ready to play normally. I don't realize I'm under robot. And she told the humans in the room. That Ma'am who are you. This is westworld. Could you please get off the screen up and completely different? Tv's normally. I do not encourage the creation of Chris in math and selling it in New Mexico. But I think it's important for aspiring students normally. I wouldn't talk to a country troll like Ma'am could you? Please get out of the trolls film normally. I. I wouldn't want to singer Whitney Houston Song. But I do love to support Paula Abdul and Simon Guy and Randy Jackson every now and then now she's going back to Bassett shows. American idol is still happening. Just she's on golden girls but wait a minute normally. I don't like to give out free coffee especially to the same six people who always sitting in my coffee shop but I do it up and people have such good friendships. I hope no one no one minds. I fired off. I've never really understood him horns normally. I don't just give out free psychiatric advice on the radio. Important for me. That people get sounds sound guidance. In their lines Dr Laura now Frasier Crane Hello Faiza Crane. Sorry how dare you go to doctor. Laura we're talking about say calms and TV and you take it. Dr Laura Easy Frazier. Reference Toast Allied unscrambled Chilean Sea Bass Hustle normally. I don't do stand out but It's important for me to sometimes standard from brick hall and say what's the deal with answering machines and so so Then we find out some fascinating history scenes like I played softball Like when I was a little through high school are my great. I'd certainly part of the Rockford peaches. I'm a movie on what's actually paint on that foul and I pinch his nails pretty done. God is connection of a League of their own to vanderbilt rules. That moment was a little bit too much for me to process. I was like this now. Stop I looked at shit up and it's true. Chinos grid Ab that's amazing. Her alisher with Rockford Peach and her at the is in the crop tops. Like COME ON GUYS. This unbelievable all. There's no crying in waitressing plant plans. Okay Barbara that would be her version of it by the way just her saying the second you stop against thing okay my ground normally sing Madonna. Normally I don't play baseball but given that it's water and Gena Davis is such a good player. Just hanging out badge in the outfield here. Moments great could you please get out of League of our own Schwartz is batting and Katie? Think he's no he's telling Katie's like go up and Bat Bubba Bubba Bat go Pat Papa. No want my sunflower seeds. Katie is doing what I've always done at that baseball games. I would only go with my bad when it was ten cents Hotdog Bank at the Diablo's pass and I would sit there and binge the entire day it's like you're not only anywhere with that. Ten cent ten cent hotdogs. I had flashbacks of when I actually was on the softball team out here in La. Which I know is pretty shocking to most people that I was on a softball team but I was. I actually did not enjoy it and I was so bad and one time I finally like I finally got like a double or something and I I got onto base and I I got to second base and I was so excited I started jumping up and down but laws jumping up and down. I drifted off the base. And then they tagged me on a never celebrated again and to this day are Shahnaz myself. So James goes over to sit Mexico. And he's like how are you all energetic? And she's like board what he wants when he wants string bean. He's like well. I was very surprised. Asked me to play and she goes me to go. I just want you to know. I haven't had a drink in over a month and I've been thinking about how he's treating people and just want to apologize for. I don't know everything I've ever said before the clips of and be like. Are you pregnant? Those shots are looking for you. Lose some weight honey. And she's like This is the last apology okay. 'cause I've heard this before because like oh it is the last seriously of story Katie. And she's like I'm not cold blooded. I mean he spent time thinking about the things he said and he's done and people are mean to me on twitter about it and so I'm done with it. Yeah plus what? If he has a private I don't know there could be a lot of upside. Then we we find out that Charlie was also a big softball player which is pretty surprising. She's like I'm very competitive. Probably because I didn't have a dad growing up and then just laugh. I'm just fucking with you. Which is great and then Brett gets up to the plate and someone yells. Hey Vegan Brett your trash. It's like that's the spirit he's like. I'm GonNa make you so proudly so she's like Oh branch you don't need to impress me. Keep it off ness top. So then Tom Sandoval becomes basically a softball Nazi. He's like do no bunting do know leadoff still no grabbed the ball the ball throw the ball and the ball dude and Jackson's like there's no way Tom Santa knows enough about southpaw and rules phillies says the Guy Guy. With who brings over a broken lawnmower shop. Yeah he's such a baby baby. Never seen such a big baby my life. I'm like I wouldn't change anyone my team for you. What did anyone I wouldn't even change cal. No offense recall. She's like what did I do because people don't understand the competitive nature until they've been on the pageant circuit so we'll see your at bat and she hits she hits and then she's like not sure what to do next she sort of like gingerly puts the bat out run. Raquel. You could do it. You could do it so then she starts doing ballet leaves or soda. Shot as I was told. They're called As you just like doing these like nutcracker jumps getafe as to the base Switzerland Raquel and still think I'm not worth trading day so let's see who loses it is tolman Ariana's team trump. Thome loses their damned. The dead they done full they finished. They are which means they have to clean the top. Tom Bathrooms area so match. He like takes the badge he throws it into the ground but bounces back. And it's right in the face and everybody's all bleeding gotta show us. Oh my God yeah. And that for instance anything and yeah. That's the end. I was like okay all right. So that's the end of the show. was episode seventeen. Now I think they would have done twenty four with reunion so that would be four. More episodes left eighteen until the next ten episodes because they also to play kickball. Volleyball Relay Race Field Day and Your Dog Dog Volunteer Day. So yeah we got some good content art everybody. Thanks for being here. We will be back tomorrow with video. Recap of how slow from everyone by

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"As focused as bad words every little seen thing me every little thing you think every little thing that's just feeding your greed or that you'll be fine without. Hello everybody welcome to the minimalist podcast where we discuss. What it means to live a meaningful life with less my name is Joshua Fields Millburn. Now while quarantined Ryan and I have been using this time to do something special. Not only did we finished our next book which is called Love. People use things which will be out early twenty twenty one and I cannot wait for you to read this book but also each day while Corentin quarantined in our homes Ryan and I have both been calling up some friends. Also some friends of the podcast and talking to them for about ten or fifteen minutes just these short but meaningful conversations about how they are coping and how some of them are even thriving during this pandemic. It's a it's a bunch of different perspectives. And we've been recording these quarantine conversations. Which is what we've been calling them recording with our friends permission of course and we've been releasing one day over on the minimalists private podcast on Patriot on. You can listen to all forty days of quarantine for free if you're a podcast. Supporter over at the minimalists dot com slash support. Now today I wanted to share three of these important conversations with you here on this podcast episode. So even if you're not a podcast supporter you can still get some value from these conversations. I'll tell you what I think. This pandemic is really putting things in perspective for many of us. We finally understand that an economy that's predicated on exponential growth isn't a healthy economy. It's a vulnerable one. I mean if an economy collapses when people buy only their essentials then it was never as strong as we pretended when it comes to simple living. The most recent minimalist movement gained popularity online in the aftermath of the two thousand eight crash people were yearning for a solution to their newly discovered problem of of debt and overconsumption unfortunately over the past dozen years. We've once again grown too comfortable but the enemy isn't only consumerism. Now it is decadence and distraction both material and not amid the panic of the pandemic. I've noticed many people grappling with the question that Ryan and I have been attempting to answer over the last decade. What is essential of course? That answer is highly individual is different for you than it is for me than it is for the next person and too often we can play. We can fleet consensual items with both nonessential items and junk you know in our free e book it's called The minimalist rule book sixteen rules for living with Less Ryan and I. We tried to delineate. All three categories essential items nonessential items and junk with something. We call the no junk rule. You can download that book for free over the MINIMALISTS DOT com slash rulebook. But let me break down the no junk rule for you right here. On this podcast everything you own can be placed into three piles essential non essential and junk essentials. These are the few possessions that that we own that are necessities that the things we can't live without food shelter clothes etc while the specific change for each person. Most of our needs are true. Needs are universal. Now there's a second category what I would call non essentials and people often think of nonessential as though it's junk we shouldn't own anything not essential and I don't think that's true. I I think in an ideal world in fact. Most of the things we own would fit in the non essential pile. These are the objects we want in our lives because they add value strictly speaking. I don't need a couch if you're watching this video. You can see the couch behind me here. I don't need the couch. I could live without the couch right. I don't need the dining room table that's in my living room. I don't need the the dresser in my bedroom but these items enhance amplify or augment my experience of Life They. They make life better now. The third category is junk and sadly most of our things belong in this pile. These are artifacts that we like or more accurately. We think we like. But they don't actually serve a purpose or bring us joy you know the average American home contains an overabundance of stuff more than three hundred thousand items in it and most of it is junk now while all this junk often masquerades as indispensable it actually gets in the way of a life that is worth living and so the key is to get rid of the junk to make room for everything else right now during this this crisis during this emergency not only must we jettison the junk but many of us are forced to temporarily deprive ourselves of non essentials both things that add value to our lives during regular times but aren't necessary during a crisis but if we can do this if we can discover what is truly essential in our lives and we can eventually reintroduced the things that are non essential more slowly than we can get rid of all the junk we can figure out what is important. And what isn't now. I hate to complicate matters but I have to note that essential changes as we change as well. What was essential for me or for you. Five years ago may not be essential now and a crisis what was essential five days ago may not be essential now and so we must continually question. Adjust and let go. This is especially true today win. A week feels like a month and a month feels like a lifetime with the the current financial crisis and also a renewed search for meaning that many of us are experiencing. I think our society will be coping with some critical realities in the not too distant future. Many new norms have been established during this crisis and others will form in. Its wake many of us will attempt to cling to the past to return to normal. But that's like struggling to hold a a block of ice in our hands once it melts. It's gone now. I've been asked by many people even on these quarantine conversations. When is this going to turn around? Frankly I hope. A dozen turning around presupposes that we return to the past that we return to normal a quote normal. That wasn't working for most people at least not in a meaningful way and well. I don't know what the future holds. I hope we emerged from this uncertainty with a new normal one. That is predicated on intention. -ality and community rather than just consumer confidence to get there. We must simplify again. We must clear the clutter to find a path forward. We must find the hope beyond the horizon. I A quarantine conversation. Recently with one of my mentors A man named businessman named Carl widener and he showed me the Chinese characters for the word crisis. I believe the word is way she And the two characters they. They supposedly signify danger. Way And g signifies opportunity so danger and opportunity and I think their arguments actually among linguists as to whether or not the second character g actually means opportunity but I think the analogy is still apt a crisis like the one. We have here right in front of US exists at the intersection of danger and opportunity and we are undoubtedly in a crisis a heightened sense of danger lingers in the ether right now. I think most of us feel it but opportunity is also in the air surrounded by danger. We have the opportunity to as my friend. Joshua Becker says use these days to reevaluate everything. Maybe we needed this. Let us not waste this opportunity to reevaluate everything to let go to start a new. The best time to simplify was during the past decade. The second best time this right now hope you enjoy the following. Three quarantine conversations. I had with Dan savage talking about sex and dating APPs during a pandemic. I'm a giant fan of his podcast. The savage love cast. We'll put a link to it in the show notes. I hope you check out his podcast as well. He gives Great Advice Relationship Advice. Sex Advice etc also. I had a conversation that you're about to hear with my former partner. The artist Colleen McCullough. Who's from everything remains? I wrote about her in there. She's talking about how she and I talked about how she plans on using art to make sense of a sort of post corona virus world how to make sense of the world right now during this pandemic and also. I had a controversial conversation. This one sparked a lot of controversy among the people commenting on patriotic the the Patriot supporters. Who are supporting this. I think it may have been the most controversial controversial conversation I had. This one was not Ken. Coleman talking about freedom you're going to hear that at the end of this podcast and you can find thirty seven other quarantine conversations and so many other things over the minimalist dot com slash support. All right you enjoy these quarantine conversations trying to capture some of these conversations. They've been very sort of casual. It's not the typical is podcasting. We're all we're all stuck at home trying to figure out navigate our way through all of this and I WanNa talk to you just about a few things about about sex. Since since that's your wheelhouse you know there are. I estimate there probably like five different types of people right now dealing with us They're single people. They're single people with kids. They're couples there couples with kids and then there are sort of the there's the other category poly relationships etc and I think you can were finally sliced the couple's category house up. Well there are couples who only being apart made it possible for them to remain together. There are couples where the marriages sexless but only one person is disinterested or not interested in Saxon. They'd been fobbing. The other person ally about being overworked stressed out her busy too avenue energy for sex and that question is now being called Yeah the there are couples. People keep saying that on twitter is if couples have it made. And we see domestic violence skyrocketing reports right now so don't assume the couples are banging away each other enjoying all of this bonus time. Well my my wife and I have been taking advice and spending more time on our knees than on the Internet. Good advice yes indeed. And you know I. Actually I would say that the her and I are thriving especially the weeks where we don't have our daughter. I have a stepdaughter with my wife. And so I'm actually experiencing both sides of the the the couples with kids and then couples without kids as well and I. I've noticed a distinct difference and you take for granted a lot of things that I guess a lot of a lot of things come to the to the forefront right now and spending every waking hour with your kids Tends to be quite challenging on on a relationship. Absolutely true I think it's important for all of us. Remember right now that not to compare what we're all going through to vacation but if you remember ever taking an extended vacation with your partner or your partner and your kids It tends to highlight everything. Love about your kids and your partner but also at the same time Closely after mixed together everything. You can't stand about your own kids and your partner and those moments Are you have to when you're in that moment? We are really focused on. What drives you up the wall? You have to be a little bit xenobiotic take a deep breath and try to remind yourself of. You loved about them or love about them. Which usually on a vacation was what was going on. Ten minutes. Ago Is what's going on right now. Let's talk about what single people should should be thinking about right now. It's very tempting to want to hop on your dating apps or or you find past relationships at this point but of course with the Virus that's out. There seems like one of the worst things we could do. It's fine to hop on a dating APP. It's fine to hop on hookup APP. It's not today to hook up in person face to face. You know we've had some scandals with people's dirty images or sex messages being made public against their will and often people say well. You shouldn't have taken those pictures. And what's been Larry's to watch his public health departments state public health departments urging people to hook up online to masturbate together via zoom or perhaps a platform with better security and risk taking those photos because the risk of taking. Those photos is less than the risk of getting on getting in a car driving across town meeting. A stranger is not part of your. You know Corentin pod or a lock down pod And that would put you in danger. Danger Anybody Else. You might encounter at danger so yeah hooking. I'm the like how hookup you never know. My husband and I have been here twenty five years. That was the one night. Stand twenty five years ago. I'm very PRO IMPULSE. Sanction Sucks on. I'm also pro open relationships pro-police emory but not now a poly-amorous cancelled for the moment except on a group chat. Have a good friend of mine. Who is poly-amorous? And this sort of I think destroyed that relationship for him in he and his wife were both dating other people together and and I'm getting ready to talk to him on one of these calls actually and I think it brought some some sort of abandoned issues to the forefront. I think I think right now if there is agreement. What's that the second dairy part? Yeah yeah they weren't first priority and obviously what that exposed is for. I don't WANNA speak. You'RE GONNA talk to minute but it might have exposed to. Those people is that they were settling for being the secondary partner when what they with their really wanted was to be the primary and this just made it to searingly clear that they weren't probably never would be the primary and they had to bolt. Well let me ask you this. What does it mean to be G G G in the time of Corentin? How's IT different now? We'll do duty stands for good giving game which is something I coined mccollum decades ago. Whatever when should be good and bad practice those skills giving you know pleasure without always an expectation immediate return you want to be an indulgent lover and a game for anything within reason everyone gets have their boundaries and limits. I'M TO BE G- I think right now requires everyone to be very very very patient with each other You know if you're a couple that's together and you have a great and strong sexual connection and there's a lot of perfectly wonderful couples out there Where the relationships are. Romantic friendships companionate marriages. And I think those are perfectly valid and you should look at relationship and say if it sexless. It's broken or something wrong. We should look at relationship and say is everybody happy One if sexless and one person is miserable. That's not gonNA work but it's sexist ever. It is how great but to be G G G right now nine God. We all need distractions. That's why Netflix is booming. That's why tiger king exploded on. That's why you know we're all online and hoping that our favorite artists will release some tracks and we're encouraging movie studios to release films to streaming platforms. So we don't have to wait for a year to see them or longer. And so now is also the time to distract yourself with as well as you can in your house without having to go anywhere without anybody. Dissect shop and buy anything indulge each other's fantasies and explore if you have a strong sexual connection Lean into it at this moment. There's no better distraction than Dick in your mouth. I May that on your chest definitely say it median about a blowjob. You're really not elsewhere at that moment. Usually yeah I certainly hope not. I can tell you that my my wife and I have certainly been thriving during this time and I. We've definitely sort of leaned into it so to speak. Would you think that is a maybe even have some data There's more or less sex happening right now during during the quarantine between couples on there some studies Going on right now. I would encourage folks to follow Dr Justin Lee Miller on twitter. Eases sex researcher and writer and is incredibly prolific. And he's leading a study out of the Kinsey Institute on how people are behaving sexually at the start. People predicted there would be a quarantine baby boom in nine months. But what we've seen out of Wuhan and other cities that lockdown in China that when the lockdown ease people were rushing to divorce lawyers and to dissolve marriages divorce boom. After the lockdown. There is research that shows that Something that predictive of a successful long term partnership is time away from each other is not actually being each other's best friends letting somebody else play that role and being able to come together at the end of the day and have had different experiences and we talk about something to share it to be happy to see each other again and when you kick that out when you take that out of a lot of relationships when you remove that time away from each other some people are going to emerge from corentin not excited to be together at all. Even when they don't view there all the time in the future so people are into their partners. I've bad my hunch would be. They're having a lot of sacks and probably hopefully some more adventurous than they might have had time for in the past but people don't like their man They're probably not having Saxon. They're probably emailing voice lawyers right now. So maybe this is bringing to the forefront whatever was going on underneath and if there's potential for a better relationship there maybe that is being brought to the forefront or maybe if if things were going to blow up now is the time. That's going to get magnified reckoning. You know if if the relationship was. Good of quarantined is probably GonNa make it better. If their relationship had fishers are fatal flaws on Corentin is probably going to make that relationship worse head my heart to people who are enduring domestic violence at a time when it's almost impossible to clear get away it's a it's a growing tragedy. Yeah it definitely has an and we often think about that. When we're thinking about couples we're talking about Saxon and obviously trying trying to be a bit late late hearted here but at the same time. We've we've got from cocking to domestic violence. I hope it's all right. It's it's acknowledging reality of acknowledging reality. What do you recommend? The couples do to maintain their autonomy at a time like this one of the things that terrain. I've always kind of joked about is that we're very good at being alone together in the same room in the same house. He'll be playing a video game or texting with Ron's and I'll be reading a book or Vice Versa. And we're able to give each other some space and time even were thrown together in close proximity For a long time and I think that's a really important skill. Some people need to seem to need constant engagement from their partner to constantly be the focus. You're just Exhaust Your partner. And they're going to be anxious to get away from you if you're constantly need. Learn to dig down inside yourself and find a place where you can be still and quiet and disengaged but together. I think it's a great place to end in than you so much. Thank you so much. Yeah you know. It's funny I am. I still have so many people. Ask me about you because rally I wrote about you in that book that a lot of people read. Yeah and I mean. They always ask very expansive question. Like how is colleen and I? I never know how to answer that so so I guess maybe I could start by asking you late. How is how is how should I respond to that question? Or if someone's wandering that right now and they read everything that remains. Well I'll tell you the actually somebody came through my line once when I was working at trader. Joe's with your book like in hand and I was like I'm colleen spoiler alert. No I think I might ask them like what chapter they were on but it was like. I am colleen and they were just like days you know it was like like I had like a brush with like fame or something so So yeah I mean I guess you could say she's well I don't know like I don't know I think good but yeah it is. It is Funny that people still ask about me. I didn't ever expect that. No neither did I remember when I when I went out on the road with a book and like twenty fourteen hundred and nineteen cities and and as people had a chance to read it they were that was like one of the big questions like after the events we would do well. It was kind of it was kind of a cliffhanger. Just saying the whole book was was meant to be a cliffhanger But I mean they would ask and sometimes not so kind ways like what happened to that relationship. You really fucked up and I'm like Oh that's next question. The reason I wanNA talk to today was a your art art but you are in particular and I. It feels to me like you're collages. Have Been Preemptively cataloging what's going on right now for the last twenty five hundred days. Yeah Yeah. It's almost as though you were. You were inadvertently predicting a pandemic I don't know there's something weird I don't mean weird in a bad way. I've actually heard you describe. Your art is weird There's something jarring and thought provoking and I sometimes dread inducing but also like hysteria like the good kind of leg. Laugh out loud hysteria in your collages and sometimes all of that happens in in one in one collage. Yeah By the way congratulations. You've been doing for twenty five hundred days. I just saw that on on your instagram account. Yeah well I actually I mean I. I actually did stop and like October so I got to two thousand five hundred two days and I can. I can talk about what happened with that. Like why why? I stopped but But yeah I I I did it consecutive. I didn't miss a day for two thousand five hundred in two days which is kind of crazy I did it throughout Grad School. Which was sort of like the gauntlet being thrown to like. Continue it. When you're doing something that's also takes a lot of time and energy But yeah like I think to me collages a really interesting medium because it sort of picks apart all the stuff in the world like just all the onslaught of media that you're constantly seeing in for me collages. Kind of a way to make sense of it through my hands and so That's kind of the original intention. I set out to do like ages ago and then it kind of progressed and like as I I've sort of progressed and developed like as an artist Yeah I definitely think that clashes like a method for gaining psychic abilities like in the world. Now I'm just getting I don't know I think that it is like You know there's kind of on the pulse of things even when I'm using older images and Vintage magazines. There's a way that things icy collage just parts fit together. In a way that you are able to tell a story that is sort of Imbued with us like inherent language that we constantly see in media or You know photography Or ourselves as our cell phones Yeah and so. I guess that that was that's kind of evolved over the years and Over the course of the last year as I finished Grad School and continued like the daily practice I started to sort of become a little bit disillusioned with like the creative practice and just like the like I just started feeling like consistently overwhelmed by the amount of media in a way that was new Particular like I mean I just all media like social media news it just. It just felt like an like like I've said it. Many times like accelerated capitalism. Like it feels like it felt like things were just like accelerating for a long time and I would you know. It wasn't just that I could like look at my phone once a day. It was like I notice myself like picking it up every few minutes And so it was like this this kind of like continuous Taking in of media and collage was like a way of me kind of sorting that out and giving an giving something back to the world And I guess I started realizing just how fatigued I was by it And just really like the level in which it in itself became instead of something that was like that Meditative Space Break. Us and move my hands. It became this thing that I was just trying to fit into this like really busy schedule. And I really like had the urge to pull back and sort of protect that And it in like not have my creativity be like a one note. You know what I mean like Like not just that I am using like have this one outlet for my creativity to really try and find new ways that I could be creative or new ways that maybe my daily practice could continue outside of like the public sphere And so that was like a really scary shift Brought still I'm doing Improv. Like just kind of like with friends for fun so I don't really have that Outlet as of now the Chicago scene is kind of. It's great but it's also kind of intent so So yeah after I finished Grad School. I kind of just wanted a break from things So Yeah I've actually gotten really into cooking which I've always really loved cooking but to me that's like something where it's a different way to use my creativity And just like trying to feels to me like there's there's a connection between the the Improv and the collages not not a direct connection. But but there's there's something there but I can't really put my finger on it. Well I mean both of them you know. Like the core principle. Improv is yes. And and that's I think like how you build any collage like you see something and you know it's not like you're inherently like using every image you see but like there's something in a part of an image that would catch my eye for whatever reason and most of the time couldn't I still can't articulate it fascinating that reg I think you're clauses. Sometimes this the the the thing but maybe the opposite of that sometimes like the no but like you star with all this chaos and you try to make sense out of it Yeah yeah or as my therapist would say yes. Like both or no bowed. Can it be both like and it be yes and no and So yeah and I think that like in that can change from one day to the next or even like one portion of a collage to the next portion. You know the next sort of area of a composition The accelerated capitalism thing makes a lot of sense. Yeah I think that's that's really coming to the forefront right now. We're finally learning that an economy that's predicated on a never ending. Gdp growth Isn't actually a healthy economy? It's extremely vulnerable if your economy collapses when people buy only what they need as opposed to what they all of the the the luxuries and and extravagances if if it collapses when we buy only what we need it was never as strong as we pretended it was an and I think. Now we're at we're at a point and so I guess what I'd like to figure out from you is is. Where do we go from? Here how do you? How do you use your art to sort of comment on that or illuminate? That I mean I think you I think for me as an artist like it's really important to cause trouble And and you know I'll say like I I live in Chicago and I came to Chicago to go to graduate school to get my masters of Fine Art I went to Columbia Cole. College Chicago I got full scholarship. I had every intention in becoming a professor and helping the next generation of artists Kind of talk about these issues and think about ways in which art can change things and once I got in the system I realized that I I did did not like higher education for the arts at all And in fact I would I taught a couple of undergraduate classes and realize that in fact that is not at all the trajectory that I'm headed down because I think that it's part of the problem but I do Because I because of I think that the student loan situation specifically with the arts is quite predatory right now and I actually think that that will be one of the first Aspects of higher. Ed that collapses. And I think that will happen. Probably as a result of Cove Edna eighteen. I think so too. I think I think we were really been exposed to this right now. Kids are going to be home for months. Wait I'm paying sixty thousand dollars to learn via zoom. What yeah and like an actually what I ended up doing what I found myself doing is like my classes ended up just being like group like I wouldn't say group therapy. I wanted to like kind of my students to get the most value out of my courses. They possibly could because I knew that some so like so many of them were paying so much money for them And so it ended up being much wider scope than just the topic of teaching But I couldn't in good conscience continue with that career path. So for me One way that I wanted to talk about. These changes is really think about artists in the way artists work. And then also think about the future of work in quotation marks and the future of creative work and to me I began to investigate Artificial intelligence and the ways in which Right now is artists and really everyone is kind of. We have this amazing access to the Internet and we can connect in talk to people over the world like when we're sitting in our bedroom But but then that also means that we're competing against so many other people right and we're not only competing in so many other people but now we're competing against so many other algorithms And these algorithms Algorithm is is is has been a theme for you at least over the last few years for sure. Yeah totally so. I'm so I'm interested into and trying to figure out ways in which we can harness the like we can create our own algorithms or we can better understand the algorithms of like large multinational corporations in order to sort of Yeah to not only like amplify our voices but just basically like have some lake. Somebody some information at the table. That like That can contribute to the discussion. So it's not just like the limited number of dudes in a corporate headquarters area no So yeah so. It's really a process of sort of Talking about that technology in the potential love it And using that technology as a medium. So I started. You go ahead. Do you see yourself doing collages about this. Pandemic going forward or about the sort of aftermath of of the whole thing. Yeah I mean. I think the one thing that I'm interested in doing is I've been using Like top trending Google search result images So I'll look and see like what the trending images for that day are and then use those and collages So it's a way to sort of like yet. To to sort of begin to distill or pick out threads to stuff that's really contemporary And and talk about what's happening in the now So yeah I mean. I don't know how anybody who is alive right now. Who creates cannot be like fundamentally affected by what's happening on a cellular level but then also in the way in which they just anything they put in. The world is fundamentally changed man. I think it's a great place ended calling. Yeah of course thanks for. Thanks for thinking of me I appreciate it. I like the lady that Com- composer you got going on. Try Man no no panic over here a You know we never look in the rear view and wish we would have panicked more man. I never heard that before but I like it when you walk on the bar in transferable that anyway I borrow all your quotes tweets. God Love You man. I'm trying to figure out what's going on from a bunch of different people's perspectives. So I've just been reaching out to friends and getting their perspectives agreeing with them. On some things disagreeing another is having my mind changed about some stuff and I wanted to talk to you about civil liberties I mean where tha time. We're we're just and I understand. Why now seems like the perfect time to to want to give up our civil liberties and and and so I mean. Obviously we're talking about civil liberties we're talking about Abou- Laws that established for the greater good for the community I I often think of The the the first ten amendments said the bill of Rights as an example. And I just right before I called you here. I pulled up the the tenements. Because you know we're familiar with like the first two as a society but we don't ever think about like or maybe we know about Dave Chapelle pleading the fifth on a something but I was looking at these. The just the first eight amendments and and I can tell you that it seems to me at least five of them are being totally trampled upon right now and I just want to get your take on. May we can go through a few a few of those but I wanted to get your take on on what this is doing to our. Our Civil Liberties General Yemen. Will you know as Cliche as it sounds? One of the healthy things about hard times although we would wish them wish them on no one is that they. They forced us to re-evaluate in a New Light. The things that we take for granted and our freedoms are one of those things you know. It's it's interesting because people are speaking now more than ever about freedom as this thing that we have to really fight for but as you and I have talked about before freedom by its very nature is the kind of thing that you have to fight for. It's just that sometimes we're so comfortable that we forget that we're swimming and such a sea of luxury that we fail to remember how precious how fragile. How delicate a thing that freedom is but remember in order for freedom to truly be free than it has to be the kind of thing that I can voluntarily give away what you know Freedom is very similar to what James cars you know says about play. He says you know the first rule of play is that he who must play cannot play. It's not play if you're forced to do it right. And it's the same thing with freedom like I feel the same way about fun lately I I think of like a cruise ship to me. Sounds miserable because it feels like fun is a requirement right anytime someone like like sort of. Just you blows a whistle and says you. You must go have fun right now. It feels like a particular kind of of tyranny in a way. And now what you're talking about is the US giving up. Freedoms voluntarily is appreciably different from some overlord stepping in. And saying. We're GONNA take these away from you temporarily Although of course history proves out that those temporary removals of freedom the they often don't end up being temporary. Yeah an an and Josh. I would say it's really always this way. 'cause I don't think anyone wakes up in the morning saying how can I give away my freedoms? This is why studying history is so important. You know I I recently heard someone say something like the scary thing is not that you could have guy like Hitler with the beliefs that he had. The scary thing is that millions of people could be manipulated into thinking that he was the very guy that the country needed at that time. How did that happen? How did that occur? It always happens this way. It happens when people are afraid when people feel vulnerable then and only then are people tempted to give up their freedom in exchange for easy answers or in exchange for promises of security and so I I would contend you know moments like this kind of force us to evaluate the foundations upon which this life that we love rest at all times and it forces us to appreciate it. But here's another angle to I would say Another reason why why. These kinds of discussions and debates very healthy for us is they. They not only remind us that freedom is always the kind of thing that has to be fought for but they also forced us to think about what it means to fight for freedom in a way that's bigger than just debating the people who disagree with US or shouting at people with different political views on twitter Because for so many of us we believe that knowledge is power but the only medium of expression that we have for that power is shouting at people who disagree but what can we do to fight for our freedoms they go beyond just debating folks who are different from us on the Internet. What are the things that we can do in our everyday lives on an individual level to defend our freedom and to enjoy the freedoms that we fight so hard to protect to me? That's one of the most important questions that isn't really being discussed. A lot of the political shouting matches right now. Where people are making talking points and scoring scoring scoring points with their constituents. Where where do we start? I mean it feels right now that like I was saying that giving up our freedoms voluntarily is is the right decision or right now were all sort of self quarantining. But but if I'm looking at at these the just going through some of these amendments to the constitution I look at the First Amendment and and what is the first thing we have their the the freedom of assembly right and and we're not allowed to assemble right now and Now if I was a conspiracy theorist I would say. It's a government plot to keep us from organizing. I don't think it needs to be that nefarious it but it is still a right. That is being taken away right now. Although I certainly don't want to assemble I don't want to have a large crowd of people Ryan and I canceled. Our our tour postponed it until November as a result. Because we won't do the responsible thing but when someone comes in and says hey you're not allowed to meet with a group of people. I get a little bit worried. Yeah so I I think I think one of the most dangerous things that's happening right now. Is the tendency that so many of us have to respond to this crisis as if it means or should mean or must mean that we have to put our lives on pause until this stuff gets figured out because what that does is it strips humanity of it's most vital and powerful incentive for creative and constructive action and that is a sense of purpose. So when you take away everyone's jobs you send everyone home and people feel like. I don't know what I should do it myself. I don't know how busy myself I don't know what I can do. Then people temporarily have their sense of purpose suspended and then they're put into waiting mode and that leads to greater anxiety that leads to greater restlessness and greater insecurity and uncertainty and when people are in that state where they are disconnected from their sense of purpose. It's not very difficult to get them to give away freedoms in exchange for getting back to life as normal so I think one of the first levels at which we can fight for our freedom and I know it sounds very indirect in a political but I really believe in it one of the first levels where we can fight for. Our freedom is to get back grounded in the idea that this crisis is not a pause button that we push on life but that it is a new context within which life must continue to go on so for instance my wife. And I we've been talking about the diary of Anne Frank Lately. She's reading it And it was something that I engaged when I when I was in high school. She did as well but she's reading it a second time now. One of the interesting things about about this story or or Her diary is that an frank was living with About seven other people and the backdrop of their lives was the Holocaust they had to live every single day. Knowing that on any day someone could discover them and that could be the day that they die and yet they had everyday things take place like. Oh it's someone's birthday. It's someone's birthday today and this could also be the day. Where in the middle of celebrating that someone discovers that were here and we die and yet they still had to find the strength. And the resolve and the wherewithal to light candles on birthdays in the middle of the Holocaust and that was the kind of thing that kept them alive. And that may life meaningful in that gave them a sense of purpose and if they can find the strength to light a candle on someone's birthday in the middle of the Holocaust surely weaken find the strength and the creativity to do that. Same thing in the middle of our situation and I would say that's where the power lies. I would encourage anyone to read Viktor. Frankl's man's search for meaning which is again on that same topic. But I think we have to fight for our most fundamental. Right which is to live with a sense of purpose even in the midst of a crisis and once we get that back and we wake up every day filling like my freedoms actually matter because my actions make a difference. Then we'll be incentivized to fight for our freedom but if we've been stripped of our purpose and we don't feel like the things that we do make a difference or that we don't have anything to do then we really don't have any freedom to fight for anyway. So why are we gonNA feel motivated to fight for it or that? We can't do anything when you were feeling like we're forced. Yeah I mean talking about it. That's the that's the Fifth Amendment right. No person shall be deprived of life liberty or property without due process of the law. And and when I think about that in a weird way it feels like many of us are being deprived of life. Although what you're saying is we don't have to be yes. There are some changes that are going on right now. We have to adjust to circumstances. But it doesn't mean we can't live a meaningful life in the process. We don't have to put things on pause and it in fact I would argue that that is always the case. We're always waiting for someday to occur but of course some day is not a day of the week but we we continue to to wait on it because If I just put it off till tomorrow well guess what tomorrow. There's always a new tomorrow and that seems like especially Especially if like something. We're doing right now where Of course the world the world feels pause but we ourselves don't have to pause life deprive ourselves of life. Yeah and I WANNA at one thing to that because I I want to try to make this even more radical because someone could be listening to us and thinking okay. That's kind of inspirational. That's kind of motivational. I guess I can tolerate a little bit of Fluffy nece in times like this but I wanna make the more radical claim that this is a mindset that has that has considerable political impact. So for example. One of the things that you've talked about before is how you can't motivate people to do the right thing by just appealing to some object of list of do's and don'ts without any higher point of reference people aren't motivated by you saying you ought to be more responsible. You ought to fight for freedom. You ought to stand up for your rights. That doesn't motivate people. From what motivates people is when they have some kind of mission that makes them come alive. Right discipline is not self generated. It comes from having a sense of purpose. What makes a person get up and run everyday or person? Study everyday or person practice to piano every day even when it's boring and inconvenient. It's that they have a vision of life that makes them feel alive and they're willing to push through the hard times in order to fight for this thing that they deeply believe in so when you have a mission when you have something that makes you come alive. When you've got a reason to live and contribute value in your everyday life it makes you willing to fight for that so when we try to tell people fight for your freedom fight for your freedom. The best way that we can get them to do that is by reconnecting them with all the little seemingly meaningless things in everyday life so I recently wrote a post. That said if you had something that you're interested in before the Cova crisis. Please don't forget about those interest if you were really fascinated by music. Keep making music. Keep making art because by the way when you look at the totalitarian regimes throughout history what what did they fight against when they wanted to take people's freedoms away you want to know what they outlawed it. They weren't focused on academic books about politics. They weren't scared of that at all. They outlawed things like Jack Ass. Bubblegum pop music bluejeans because they knew that art and creativity and fun and play. These were the things that gave people a taste of freedom and once people taste freedom they will fight like hell before they let you take it away from them and what we have to remember. Is that if we want to incentivize people to fight like hell for their freedoms we got to remind them to keep tasting the Freedom. Keep enjoying keep enjoying good music. Keep enjoying good art. Keep enjoying good comedy and good jokes. Keep enjoying the things that make your life meaningful. That is politically significant not just motivational significant man. I think that's the perfect place to end. Tk thank you so much. Thanks brother all right before we get into our added value segment in our listener tips. Today let me just say that if you want more of these quarantine conversations you can find forty of them over on the minimalist private podcast. That's right you're currently listening to our weekly minimal episode. 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Dad Visits Los Angeles

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58:00 min | 1 year ago

Dad Visits Los Angeles

"Hi It's making Dolan. You're listening to Inspir- auto PA- checked out. God Won't be the story here at star. Wars Disneyland were were in the land of Star Wars. My God if you ever get a chance you've got to come out here and really really immerse yourself in this experience it's it's astounding life-size million Falkiner were standing in line. Right I'm Linden Falkiner stormtroopers. Walking all over the place is battle damage on the side of the buildings. I mean they put so much detail on this thing. Oh It's incredible dad. What are your thoughts on this place so far this is just a kind of a dream? Come true after seeing star wars with Kurt when he was a little guy for him to bring me here is just just full circle in this. Wonderful is so great. Yesterday we were watching mandatory and we watched almost all the episodes. So it's just a big old marathon of all the main Laurean episode soon as he got into town and Yeah and now. We're here today today. In Star Wars Land We have one one episode of Main Laurien left to go so we get home tonight. We're GONNA watch that to knock catch up on that. I mean this entire world here is too so incredible on my friend. Robin who helps us out with the drums. And everything for Yali crueler comes all the time in east. said he sought you back here and so we get a chance to take a photo with them. I think that would be awesome. What other kinds of star wars characters do you think might might be roaming around her? Well you know. I'd like to see Darth vader. and Oh ooh what. We're those those little guys that we saw an mandible. The jobless Yep with Omega Jobless Oh God and the big Blob. What was that O.? Tel De eh. There would be great. Oh Yeah in fact I think I have seen some job as offspring. It's a great you end up going through a door you know and then all of a sudden there he is. There's been all of a sudden there's job of the Hudson sitting on their. That'd be great much in a triple cheeseburger. Yeah Yeah I I would love for someone to translate you. Know those. Are the words language about up on up on the wall. Yeah you can tell. There's a blaster fight. They got the battle damage up there. Gosh they're so cool. I think that's what it is is the thing that I think. I'm starting to realize what what makes the mandatory and so boom is the fact that Oh sure are you can. I don't know how they show. They show that like the the battle damage like the Warren down like in the original Star Wars. It looked like it had a history to it like a had been through. You know the ship was in a bunch of Dogfight Sir sure was just shot. Had I think that's what that's what mandatory and it looks like it's it's retaining their kind of aspect about it. What were you going to say you know? I see this door over here. Oh yeah that was in the Mandalari. And that's where the trace this squeeze squeeze it shut dropped on their own big guy with the The horns sticking. That's right that's right. That's right but the men lorries is just kept the same flavor. Yeah same character as the original star wars healthy. and which is dovetail right into I. I'd like to go see the Star Wars movie again I don. I don't think I have a copy of it but the original and yeah undeployed we will we will. We can watch and lowering up so we'll watch the original star wars appeared. See it together once more both. Yeah yeah absolutely incredible. If you ever get a chance to come out here you you have got to come out here to star wars galaxies edge. It's my commercial I gotTa say welcome to twenty twenty anchor has been such a huge judge inspiration to me over the past couple of years ever since I came across Anchor Dot FM. It's an APP in the APP store. It helps you. Make your own podcast. This is the whole reason. Reason why you're even listening to my podcast. Right now. Anchor is free. It enables you to collaborate with other anchor utilize offers. You can leave messages for each other. You can record up to an hour all at one time but you can record many many little segments in. There doesn't doesn't mean you have to record a full hour at one time. He can record little tiny segments. And it's so great because anchorages distributed out out there too I tunes Google podcast. tune-in breakers spreaker radio public a whole bunch of places and man. It's just wonderful just to not you. You are becoming the media it. Did you get Jen. When she can orange chicken? Can you got edible Djukic orange juice in there for one more news just orange and now let us our sauce. Orangey saw those just the right amount of food though full no set rice. They're Brown. I remember I still remember like Russia could walk down the hallway and you already in her bedroom and I just imagine you're just just sitting there waiting and so as we walk down. The hallway voice asked them. You know. It's just Steve Fiber minutes fighting him. Go to bed ever wanted to go to want to get off. Don't know why mom would yell at me or something. I don't know why I didn't get up out of bed. I mom I don't want to wait for one of them is my door was close all the way it was. You know there were still like so I could be in bed. You know what I kind of like wait for the mom the up a little bit longer. Yup Yeah we'd ask them out and I think sometimes it works. Yeah like a little kid even knows what means but he was just like that ideal like Oh. I'm buying some more time hang up. There's it as missing something great or your brothers were out but you underpay up. Yes probably comforting to me to go to sleep at the sound of Yuma the mother watching TV just knowing that someone was out there in a way yeah like if acted in new comforting comforting sound fall asleep to the sound talking or whatever it was that at the time her what have you toffee sleep with her. She ever slept with me. I think about the cats did. Did you go with everybody Oscar. The cat would times. He sleep right next to throw the ball off. Aw Ever since the situation with Zeke House you know and then I decided I have the three kids learn her secrets to walk around the house. Stretch at nighttime. And so now it's funny 'cause like now that the kids in my through Oliver just plop stone right in the middle of the pillow like okay. This is rising sleeping with him and I was always my little cuddle. Your Buddy Allie and mark your mind the orange one and then the tabby with belly. Sweet they're gone so central living and then the black ones Britney's they would always cuddle with me within such. Her cat came crazy. Just how every cat has their own personality Feeling that they like to do or not how they go about doing so interesting. You and try ceases faking her. Think skins like crispy chicken chicken holding no no no to Dougie Tiki Negga Kinky. Speaking Huggy J just keep finding is it like make words whispered. I want to think of words that finding ways of altering words so they cringe when we say. Let's see so Jason. I know gross me out by go no further and let's see how far it stretches. Yeah because I know that what I'm doing is does or if I heard doing this uh-huh so I'm going to try to see how to react to them on my God. She makes them laugh more. They even more gross stuff is just like birds dispenser. The other urges like Gross Voices Jazz compared to Yeah He. He thought that this was just totally. Wait is totally. Dad just advised that. There's this fully improvised. We're we're used to be able to and then what my staff and all of a sudden the drill instructor stopped the whole squad tre and he came up to me and he got this close to me just started chewing on me. Why well because you sweat off your side moved? I wasn't supposed to do anything unless you get permission or you you you have to. Do you have to do the march. You can't do anything else as you had sweat pouring down your face you just quickly swipe the sweat off and he started screaming at you. What did he say it was? I don't even don't you wipe or what are you doing. Moving in formation. You Know Damn well it Outta DA DA DA. Ah that used to be the. TV show called Gomer Pyle Oh yeah. Yeah and he always always. He always had the drill instructor screaming at him. And that's the first thing I thought and I almost laughed in as in your like right now. We're finally getting get in Lad trine duty what do they call it. When described the toilets or whatever? Oh my gosh. You're Latrine Queen Today. uh-huh oh man. was there any other times like that where you exit. Until he just didn't realize the last time it was the last time so from that point forward you just let this phase point. Yeah but sometimes sweat. We'll take a little kind of you know the little something right. I've been on their own. My Gosh is so oh crazy experience and then this one time this was the weirdest thing we're marching along from from the Child Hall back to the very marching along it starts raining and well you know you just bear up to it and keep going your march in the rain. The drill instructor what was obviously getting soaked. Like the rest of us and it was real real odd that his socks started foaming out like when he washed his socks. He didn't rinse the mouth so that the rain gene was causing the soap to reactivate. Oh my gosh. And and he didn't know it. Oh my gosh everybody. Everybody and everybody knows him is noticing. This oh my God. He's wondering you know what the Hell's going on so so I think he he he stopped us and you must. He must've asked somebody. You know one of the flight leaders by laughing at and pointed to Hooah socks all right everybody bakken formation lift right you know he just oh he saw some of the guys snickering in what was going on. Couldn't figure out what was happening. My Gosh I think it's one of the funniest things when like someone's trying to be a cool guy and the accidentally triggering for something you know. They're yelling the art the going. Oh my God you told your. I can't take you seriously now. You just lost your cool. Just lost her cool man. You got soapy socks like I'm not gonNA listen to me as if it's sucks. Oh my gosh. So he had a tough time living that down. Oh my gosh by. And then one of her drill instructors Sergeant Sterling The guy was impeccable. All Time uniform was perfect. Way Head is hat was perfect. He had one of those smokybear bear hats. You know that was yeah. Yeah and his shoes looked like mirrors they just gleamed so shiny polished and he was always that way no matter when you saw day or night while in periodically I'm GonNa need. We know the break periodically. We had to have clear trails in the middle of the night. Unexpected Right so at three. Am Fire Bell goes off and and he's walking through the barracks you know shaking the beds making sure everybody wakes up and gets out and And and he's always he's impeccable. He's perfect everybody gets outside and gets in formation looks at his watch he says you took too long so we go back to bed. He he waits maybe an hour everybody falls asleep and he does it again. Oh my gosh you guys you got to cut off about twenty seconds. Gosh so we had that for a couple of nights in a row until we'd learned to wake up really quick and get up and get out of bed. I didn't get the heck outta out wonder sometimes to how many of those structures you know. We're bullied when they're in school and now this time to really get back at society. Heidi and play tricks on him. And you know force them to do stuff that we don't so funny it's like you have one guy who's screaming at a whole bunch of the people at any point. Any one of those people can put that dude in the headlock with screaming over. No we're not GONNA do that and all of us here agree. We're GONNA lock you in here and you're we're not gonNA you know we're taking over you know it's so funny there. There's so many more followers than there are leaders. And that's the interesting thing was when you go into into the military. I mean like the Marines. You know you kind of know what to expect. You're giving yourself over to them right and we're allowing yourself to become their puppet. I guess if you resist you'll get disciplinary action up to a number of times and then they'll say get out. Oh they'll kick you out of the military it's all you gotta do. They put you through. Hell they You know they'll disciplinary action will be will be really tough and he won't hurt you but they'll make you hope to push ups or other exercises until you want to die. Keep it up. What happens if someone just refuses? I'm just not doing those pushups. They just like no one's ever tested the consequence. I'm sure they have but I'm not aware of what consequences work. That's so interesting but when you go in the military you know to expect those things right and you want to achieve your goal of graduating from basic training And moving onto your your technical training raining. Oh Gotcha and then finally get stationed somewhere. You know I'm sure he's drill instructors. They've seen you know tens of thousands of guys and they know they've seen the same same story over and over you know how to handle them. what other kinds interesting stories can think of right now. That like your buddy your buddy in Florida that you're talking about. Yeah what kinds of crazy things have. You guys Well this one isn't us together but there were times when we compete compete with each other uncertain things mostly since posted but partially the women that we right yeah but but this this one time Are I was overseas at In Taiwan and Our squadron of season thirty cargo aircraft were We're carrying the BOB. Hope True Up. Wow Yeah throughout Vietnam O.. And then he'd go on and stuff and yeah he work troops. Yes yeah and you guys were the ones who were. She'll freeing him around rounded yes our points yes will and so He put on a show on our base. Wow how and I was as close to him as that. Maybe that bend up there. Wow and he had Connie Stevens Oh he was off. She is a tall blonde role perky and she sings things she was up there and a number of other APPS and I thought. Wow Wow this is cool. James's here he's on he's TDY TDY means temporary duty. So I figured he was. He was off in Thailand fixing airplanes. Tax Cut Well I tell him tell him well it turns out he was on the plane carrying Josh said he got to meet O J Stevens Waiver Waver a hug and kiss gs say I love it so while joke's on me did expect that Oh man Ted is great and he always reminds me of. Oh my gosh that is so funny why we reached we are here at the world. Famous Observatory uh-huh stairs. That's weird. You'd think would suggestion that James Dean sculpture over there. I met at the Party where I met. Weird L. He's the guy that I met I use the sculptor of that. Yeah Yeah what's it Jimmy by wrench. Wasn't he a real fan of of You know what's so funny from from what I've gathered he. He wasn't really a big fan of James Dean. He just happened to look a lot like him and then it was so funny because he ended up finding himself out in Indiana. Where was it Fairmont? Mantra something and I think that's Indiana where they have the James Dean Museum and he became friends with the guys there who run the museum actually let him wear jeans jeans clothes and stuff and so it was out there that he met Pamela Day bar and he gets her name fire and was over six feet. Tall James Dean was about was about your height right. Oh yeah so. Whatever he wore must've been really short on a real show by still tight or yeah but they just thought he was the greatest because he looks like James Dean and they're all these James Dean fanatic supporters and then Pamela debare who She so you know the character penny. Have you ever seen almost famous. There's there's this movie almost famous and there's there's a there's a girl called a penny lane and She she's like a Groupie but she doesn't call herself group. She calls herself a band aid. And so she's based off of Pamela Davar Hudson Goldie Hawn's daughter. Yeah Yeah Okay. I hope penalty to bars sheet. Chief you know was with do from led Zeppelin and Jimi Hendrix. All these people you know she just follow around these bands is she wrote a shorter. A book. All about it and Being this big groupie and stuff and So through Jimmy. Somehow because he met her out there in Indiana somehow character she was a real person. Pamela debare was a real person. Yeah Yeah and then. So then. Hudson's character was based based off of her and so so Jimmy Somehow talked with her and he found out she was having a birthday party or something and somehow I ended up getting invited to this thing and he was a bunch of James Dean fanatics they were. I guess it was like a club. Some of these folks so it was mostly just people who love James Dean had some sort of history with him and So I go to this house. They're all these you know. I'm just there by myself all these people and I I see sitting on the couch this guy who's all dressed in black and he's got this SPLAT cat. He's got this big white beard and above him opening above him was a painting right right behind. China's of Walt Whitman. Who looked exactly like him? Oh there's like this old photo of Walt Whitman sitting on a tree trunk and I'm like what a strange like. Here's this dude dealers. Just like Walt Whitman women and finding out that guy Kenneth Kendall is his name. He's a sculptor and he's doing. Who Sculpted James Dean head? And he's got Marlon Brando and he's just a painter and he's he's he's past now but he was just a a painter a sculptor and so I got to talk with him about how he met James Dean and stuff and he's like us talking about how you know after meeting James Dean and then and then chains chains gave me that those beautiful smile those pearly whites and then he left and he told me the story like three times in a row and I said Oh okay okay okay well you know what I think. I'M GONNA go get a drink at some point just like okay you're repeating save but Then is that Party that I don Johnson walked in the door. Apparently he had dated family bar long ago. And I didn't realize I'm like Oh my God. There's there's there's there's done and then And then at some point point see this long haired curly curly haired guy. His back is to me. I hear him talking to people. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA go. Now is nice meeting. You guys have thought that. Sounds like weird al and I walked vic and he was just a tiny little bit taller than me. I said hopefully co Dale. You're at this party this tastic. This is exciting. I James Eh. I I see Don Johnson earlier. Now you're here you don't I loved my advice I loved her. Music grown-up I still have your music. This is so cool that you're you're here and he's like oh well thank you. It was just a really cool are assholes so pleased that he was a really nice guy and so every time. Every time I see that sculpture of Kenneth Kendall just how cool it was that. They decided to put his shot rebel without a cause. Here that's why James Osteen side is here okay. Yeah wondered what the connection was. Weren't you at a party where showed up. Oh Yeah I was is is. He was a jerk. He's kind of strange you know he. We talked a little bit at the table. who asked me a question? And I as I'm in the middle of the country three he just he just got up. Walked away so funny so funny just a very very interesting personality. Maybe you know he has a A problem with What do they call that a schizophrenic nick disorder attention deficit? Oh I see you just loses loses interest real fast. It's like Oh there's a squirrel. Yeah that's that's right. I think we worked off breakfast Cristie. Yeah I didn't wear my fitbit. It must be would've gone crazy in a selfie of the three of us with. Yeah yeah that'd be great. Put that on Instagram darn it. That's right I read the letter. Some that truck real fast. And I thought it's a recreation pranks at love it we specialize in recreation pranks. That's awesome it's my job title. Racial a prankster. Urban wonder who those men are supposed to be in that Oh famous scientists of the day's Copernicus is up there and What's that Guy Newton? He's up there fig Newton. He invented the because the apple funds go. How do I put this into a little this into a cookie case so people think the epiphany was gravity but he was actually to make make the FIG Newton and then and then the epiphany gravity came later? Aw Fig Newton just what a funny name picture for the Hollywood sign yeah They went to every today usually when people would come into town. Take them up here. You know show them around and everything and the observatory used to have a Like a periscope that you could look through and it was it would come out of here and you could see all all of what what was going on out there like out out in the out in the world out there and Yeah they stopped the or they took out the periscope cope But I thought Oh man because because you could actually see because it's it's it it was like you could see. It was like a telescope. Basically you could see like the Larussa buildings and stuff in it and I remember just having this image of how cool that would be this. This idea for movie where a guy just sees a beautiful woman up on a rooftop or something laser the center. Yeah I gotta how do I get over there. And where's that relationship where I'm at so I thought that'd be kind of fun premise. For a movie of him trying to figure out out trying to triangulate where buildings could even find the building while. She's still be there when he gets there will they have. Chemistry will should be taller than him. We'll she already have a husband has been you never know so. Every time I come up here I think about that again and then I think it's this. I think they got the telescope in there. I think sometimes you go in there. The Big One and you can see they'll let you look through there and see like Jupiter or what have you do. They have classes here were people. Wow it's a great idea. I don't know whenever the classes about astronomy or that'd be pretty cool that'd be really cool. This was our trail. That's a different one that one. Oh Gosh this is a pro. She knows knows these like the bag for hand. Wow Okay so cool. The way at the Sunday's now coming through and just see these beams of light his Co. crazy little coagulation little. These little cities are just kind of like shrouded in this the darkness right now very bright Ahead of Climate Mountain found these people were able to to call nine swat well. You're you're with them or do they tell you know I was with them. When this happened happened mostly? We're we heard people yelling now help so my friend took our friends. Dogs held them. Oh well aren't you other friends. I went up and climbed up the try to find a lady who find people old and they had to get one of those. Oh and so we went all the way down and we could exceed helicopters going to pick him up. Oh my gosh. We couldn't actually see where was in on. How far up did your friends? You have to travel to finally. I don't know it wasn't that big of a mountain but it was. It was probably half that size but I guess than the the women just got lost and then they were just exhausted and can make their way back down and we must have heard you talk in or something. Yeah Yeah so so. Our friends got a helicopter ride midst grade back down. It was my friend that lives in lives in Tennessee. Nolan visit recreation parks. Guy Said stuff happens all the time people you know a hiker will fall off the thing or you know in the cellphones reception appears very very spotty. Very lucky you know if they get any sort of I think so associated with the towers towers mm-hmm towers because although they would make an camouflaged with tree the tree branches while and do you think they picked up the person whether helicopters going away. I think he's waiting around for this guy to. I didn't see well well. Maybe the firefighters probably had something put the person on Oh Gurney. Wow even though the Griffith Park Observatory is not open. There still is a main attraction. Must be opening up soon. If all these people are shown up right now get buses and the a loss Cheeses guys hit a hike up there and all their gear and everything. Here's another one over there that's trapped now. Hope not either he could just be kind of hovering there. You go bean bean corner While three look later in the news and didn't yeah crazy and while you ever tried to hike to the top of the amount journey any other than that one. I'd feel like they would feel like such victory to be able to climb up such a Steep Man of these trails and kind of check them off as you buy them I kind of keep track of some of amazing. Wow I gotta I say I just dropped my dad off at the airport. That was a lot of fun. Having him out here Probably ought to podcast at him. More however I I had fun recording him during his thoughts about the days of Air Force and I was able to get some footage of him dressed as Henri de Horse on the backyard is some of you. Know he is the Voice of Henri de Horse. He did some fun facts for us in town. Some Star Wars ones. Actually in what I'll put one put one after this little segment here so you can hear hear what that's all about just for a little sneak peak for you guys is what I'm GonNa do is I'm going to take that footage and I'll probably keep using that footage of him and Of Henri de Horse and then put the audio of his fun facts dislike him underneath so that'd be a Lotta Fun. Put nose up on Instagram by the way in spreader projectos on instagram. I'm noticing more or more folks on spotify actually subscribing to my podcast to inspire projectile completely excites me. I've got forty forty eight people now. full-on subscribed to listening to each episode. Thank you this. Has Many of you know this is my journal. This is my audio diary for the Archives for Future Generations for my future self for now. Let's say for instance when I come back reincarnated I'm implanting being this idea Right now so my higher mind remembers this and we can make an agreement that when come back in my next life I can go back and listen to this stuff because think about that think. About how many lives you've lived already. How how many different incarnations have you had already will my well my next life even be on this planet might be on a different planet? I don't know while capacity truck right now. They left their lights on in in the daytime of all things. In the olden days I used to check the door to see if it was unlocked. And I I just reach in there and turn off the lights but in this day and age through our alarms and You know what's what's that's that's kind of an interesting predicament to be. Dan Isn't it if you think about that do do I risk so the intention is to help the personnel. The intention is is to just simply reach in their turn off the lights. Close the door and off on your way. Now if someone doesn't know what your intention is he's fishing around in someone else's car heck even if it's the owner of the car themself. Ideally if it is the owner of the car when you can explain to them what your intention was what your motivation was and the next step. Ideally would be that they I believe in your good nature. So that's the thing do you. Do you risk going out of your way to do good duty. Do you risk that four. The possibility of getting caught and getting in trouble. I've done this several times several times throughout my life because I tell you. What if my if my door happened to be unlocked I grew up in Chicago? People rarely lock their car doors. So you you could do that Cars have alarms cars have alarms. People might think that you're trying to sabotage him you know. I don't know however I'd like I wouldn't mind that if if I if my car had it was not locked and I accidentally left the lights on in someone. Open the door and turn off the lights for me. Holy Moly. I'd be so grateful you know. Some folks Have Jumper cables in their cars. Yes which is great folks have jumper cables which is Great. And they'll help you out to get back to the past life situation so who knows what other past lives. You've lived. Who knows what future? Life's going live. So hello where where are you going to. It's it's like you're GonNa are you. Did you. Just get back from the grocery store. Oh you just getting back I see oh I thought you end up someplace you welcome from. My Dad was just in town from Florida to drop them off to the airport yet. Wonderful time here. It was so great Florida. He lives in Florida. Now Yeah so it was a lot of fun to be able to bring him up to universal city walk. Oh it was so much front you take care bye so imagine how many past lives future lives. Wouldn't it be cool wool. Wouldn't it be cool to know what your past lives. were up to. What if what if one of your past lives wrote a kick ass book? What if one of your past lives with Mark Twain? Oh moly Oh man. Would one of your past lives was nostradamus. When that he crazy you end up going back and you end up reading what he wrote and you go? Oh my God. That's exactly how I right. That's my language right there. That's my language my my my whole life people have been saying well what interesting language you have what insane psychic abilities you possess able to prophesy these particular things no no no no no no no no no no no no no no. You didn't jere answer Mr Moore later more later or later. I am so excited to let y'all know we just got this in. If you're on instagram you might have seen this. These are the outlay crew tour dates that we've got for twenty twenty plus. Obviously we're going to be having more on. Its way these are. This is just what we've got so far okay so call the batten down. The hatches tour February first. Moro Bay California at the Siren March sixth in Tempe Arizona at the Marquis theatre which is so crazy. Because I saw Mickey Dolan's at the Marquis theatre with my friend Dory and she said you know what I can imagine yeah outlay crew playing at the Marquis Theatre. You gotta try to see if you could play Marquee theatre ban of sudden here. We are March seventh in Yuma Huma Arizona at midnight at the away says March Thirteenth San Diego California at the Music Box March Twentieth Ventura California at the Majestic Ventura Theatre March twenty. First at the whisky. A Gogo we'll go. How cool is that? We're GONNA be playing on the stage the doors and yet motley crue and Van Halen all these all these all these bands from way back in the day I envisioned that this one day would occur March Twenty Eighth San Juan Capistrano California at the coach House. That's another stage stage where there and we saw that Michael McDonald plane. That stage Christopher Cross all these great musicians had played on stage we saw these photos of. Maybe we'll get a photo of us on their on their wall to April Second Manhattan beach. California at the roadhouse aquarium. How cool is that really cleaning cleaning an aquarium April eleventh in Hermosa Beach California at Saint Roch May Second Danica Beach Florida at the stage? Nine five four may ninth Waterloo New York the vine at delauro May may sixteenth may sixteenth. Are you kidding me. Atlantic City New Jersey Tropicana may sixteenth. That's the day that Andy Kaufman faked his death. I'm going to be playing. I'm playing on stage on the same date that my utmost favorite one of my top favorite entertainers. I'll see pranksters. My my my one of my top favorite pranksters. In addition about Pagon Ian Allen Faked his death will be on stage playing Mike at this Jeff Marshall title June sixth at the loan in Lone Pine California at the Lone Pine Resort June twenty-sixth Chicago Illinois at the Rosemont Rosemont Parkway Bank Park. This means my friends out there in Rosemont any my friends out there in Chicagoland area and my my friends in Carol Stream Glen Glen Ellyn Elgin of Weeden. I mean Gosh. Anybody that I've known that I met between the years of nineteen seventy-three two thousand before I moved out to California anybody that I might know please please Consider coming out and being a part of the outlay the crucial because holy moly. I'd love to see their. It'd be an extraordinary reunion extraordinary. Extraordinary Reunion Extraordinary I I just can't wait. Oh man is just going. It'd be so crazy idea I'd love to see out there in and if you you think there's anyone that I may have known that we went to school with your friends with like for instance my friend Renee from back in elementary school. Rene she is coming out. She lives out. I don't even remember what state now She's coming out from whatever. That state is joining forces with my elementary school teacher. Mrs Dr Gats and the two of them are going to come out and see me. See US play Yahtzee crew true. I mean one of my oldest friends at an elementary school teacher. She she even remember who I am. This nuts man so crazy. Wow and so you folks the dates I've mentioned and I still got a couple more of those dates. I mentioned any of those places. If you live near there mark your calendars look cout forum. Then we got eight. Oh my God he kidding me. August eighth August eighth my absolute favorite number of all time eight eight is infinity folks. If you if you haven't heard me just gush over infinity there you go Burbank California at the starlight bullying theater. Oh we had such the fun time now for the last time we'd love to get Grace Band to open up for us again and then August Twenty First Pala Pala Casino coast. They're more dates on the way. That Holy Moly matrimony Eh I'm blown away. I'm so honored so blessed to be a part of this and I can't wait to share this with you all you three eleven cruisers out there you know who you are you met you met stony shores on many occasions. Yeah come on out check. Assad can't wait to see it. That is all for now talk to you later. Stay stay inspired. Please follow your heart and do what you can in. Look you know looking up videos in and about how to redefine your perceptions of reality look up some helpful for Shar deloris. Cannon Abraham Abraham Hicks check them out and see how it affects. 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You know man behind machine gene during these types of times where I reflect to myself and I think will if it is up to me to manifest my own reality despite despite the statistics despite the odds despite the privacy issues despite these security issues despite the any any of their chairs. I'd like to believe I hold onto this idea that if it is truly up to me truly up to each and every single individual creator being here on Earth. Who's aware of of this type stuff? I mean really if it is up to us to manifest our own realities and each each each sort of paradigm is relative unto itself. I'd like to believe that it. It'd be possible to still be prosperous and abundance filled with ease relaxation and you don't trust in the process of that manifestation of reality of the most ideal preferred reality type situation. I'd like to believe that it so that it will unfold for us towards that positive outcome just as as if we were to worry in and get scared and and you know allow ourselves to get frustrated and pissed off it trust me it happens to me to every time I think about that type of stuff I think if we were to allow our our minds to to to feel to feel unempowered that our faith is up to some other you know the government out there and what have you despise among us Then it's completely powerless in we might as well. Just go. Jump off a bridge. That's not very good psychology. So I've found found that when when I when I put their power back into my own hands and choose to redefine how I'm looking at things and go okay. What these are just things that just happened to be these earthbound around rules and regulations if I if I if I if I played the idea I continue to play with the idea that my relationship with the universe exceeds the power of the stranglehold in the REU rules and limitations Sion's that that the earth has put upon me if I like to believe the fact that the unseen and the invisible and the unknown? There's a lot more of that than there is of this material world in the fact that the unseen world these consciousness that that moves along behind it is what actually brings about. What's here my conscious reality? But I'd like to believe and then and then he added with the idea of parallel universes quantum mechanics. All these possibilities. You bring that into play and you go okay. You know what I'm Gonna I'M GONNA spell cast here. I'm going to stir up the culture nominee call into existence. My jet powers going to work with the force here that unseen beautiful vibrant spiritual wave you've wave frequencies and way of goals that are flowing through everything if I am to play with the idea that I'm going to connect with that and strengthened. If in my relationship with that and we worked together into manifesting materializing into my physical reality the demo- The more preferred outcomes will then. Let's let's play more in that in that idea because that that feels that idea feels really good to me. I love that idea so hope that helps answer a question.

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Episode 35  Our Kids Future

Relentless Geekery

1:18:34 hr | 4 d ago

Episode 35 Our Kids Future

"Do you like conversation on a variety of topics feel like no one wants to talk about the things that interest you tired of only hearing the same medical sports or catastrophe talk? Yeah, we shall not wait to join to high functioning games as I discuss just about anything under the sun. You can't tell you what we'll be talking about each week because I you know where our brains will take us. It will be an interesting conversation though. So hang on and join us here comes the Relentless and he green. So, how are you? I'm doing fine. As a matter of fact, you know, I it's kind of fun. You know, I really am minding all the Cove it shut down because it's released having me focus on things that have needed to get done for a long time like going to the vaults like decluttering the house like off of going through my email clients and creating new rules for things that it's kind of funny people places just don't seem to standardize on how to send you an email. They have all kinds of different email addresses. And if you do that on the bad basis or on the basis of subject or whatever, it's amazing how many rules I have to have in place that just capture all the things from mailing list or all those things from a bank or something like that. And and if you don't update your rules regularly all that accumulates, so part of my end of year start of New Year is always okay. I want this to be filed away where I want to see everything from Amazon. I'll find it all in one place instead of having to like go looking through my inbox and try to remember shuto quite illogically when did this happen often? So anyway, and then you find out that occasionally you wrote a rule it was too aggressive and you were in a folder that you put things into and it's like what's all this other stuff? She's doing here. Oh because you know and it's got this all character strings. And all you have to do is just do one weird typos or something like that and our anyway, so petty but not if you run your life so I don't run my life off of email like I might want to have nowadays A lot of it seems to be instant messaging texting Facebook all that kind of stuff but a lot of important stuff like when's the billing due and official notices and stuff it all comes via email as opposed to physical mail, and you don't want to miss those things Universal. It is kind of crazy to think that we get official notification. Since and bills through email because fifteen to twenty years ago. It was like, oh my God, you can't send bills in email. That's just not not safe. It's not it's unheard of and hey that gives us a lot of money. It's a lot quicker and people, you know, it's just I've been noticing a lot. We have a lot of preconceived notions. We live with that. It takes some work sometimes to break a great example my mother she's seventy she has in the hall a little light that is a night-light essentially an like an old Christmas bulb and she has it taped up to the wall. Okay, so we were decorating and I put up some Modern Christmas lights LEDs and the way bright thousand and so I am plugged that old light and said screw it just use this for a night light. Well, she consistently unplugs the Christmas lights and plugs that other one in and I'm like, why are not she's like well Christmas song These are dangerous know what you it's it's a her notion is in the sixties and seventies with the bulbs and stuff. They were dangerous but the stuff now is way safer than what she has but she just has that if she had that you unplug Christmas lights cuz they're dangerous. I hear you. You know, that's really true. I mean in not only in her seventy year life, but in my lifetime we've seen that that LEDs are more efficient and cool off running and it used to be like when you were putting lights on the tree you had to have gloves on because they got so hot that you couldn't handle them. Well and nowadays all that's become easier and they did it where you know, it's a no-fail strings that wasn't one bulb which of the entire string now, they're all individually and whatever the cost of that was a petty per bulb or something like that. I'm more than willing to pay the extra dollar Long Island. Wait, you died who I'm here still here. They are. Sorry. Sorry, you died. You're saying the cost of pain. Yeah, you don't just for for many things the cost of that convenience. Whatever companies refuse to do it for a long time because oh no, they will be at a competitive disadvantage because our live streams will cost $700 instead of 699. There's all kinds of people like me that are willing to do the 799 a order to not have to play the search out the bad ball game ever again. You know, how is my time not worth but my time is worth a hundred fifty bucks an hour not a dollar, you know what I mean? So I thought that argument with my father Through The Years so long he had like a garbage bag of Lights whenever a string of lights would go bad. He will take every light out and put it in this garbage bag cuz then it's something else went out. He would fix he would replace every individual Bob till he found the burnt out one to think whole string and I'm looking at it and the LEDs are way cheaper. I mean I go to the store even before Christmas I could buy a string of fifty for like three or four bucks, you know after Christmas I get him for seventy-five cents, you know. Hey, give me like, you know, $50 whole hedge worth. You know what I mean? It's dead. You know, so believe me when we were putting stuff up as he got older and I was doing more of it and I would like plug something into like oh, well, this is an old set that's dead. And I'd throw it away so long you doing that's money. But my dad it was like it's thirty years old. You've gotten your money's worth. It's not worth the time. They fix this keep feel like know when you pulled out the garbage and he'd sit there, you know, next 7 day's going through the string and I'm like, whatever. Yeah, I did that once when when new lights that goes were the first time we had them and a number of things had gone out and thought it was like a matter of Aesthetics. I don't want to have to worry about wrapping the lights around our Christmas tree where I have to worry about a dark spot that if I know that everything is lighting up or whatever. My threshold of pain is ninety per-cent ninety-five percent whatever else it might be and because they come with extra balls. It was like, well, let's just see how easy it is to unscrew these as cetera et cetera, but after seeing the amount of time that that took I guess that's become another one of those things that you don't track. Shoot anymore. You just throw it away and buy a new string and really eight bucks. You know what I mean or whatever they are. It's it's definitely not quotes worth my time anymore directly having said that this is for Thursday a store in Lakewood. Maybe it's actually in to Cleveland just over the Border that's called anything that can be fixed. And it really is one of these guys, you know, some people just have that wonderful Tinkers Instinct as to offer what probably wrong here. This became slightly Askew unscrewed whatever else it might be and so you can bring I guess like an old lamp and of course it would be easier to buy a new lamb but sometimes that lamp fits that corner exactly right. It's exactly the you have you have history with it if you will and so for something that's worth doing that and I don't know that I want to do it, but I'm willing to pay him twenty bucks to say, please keep my rusty Dusty old lamp still working and whatever else it might be. I don't know we can fix anything. I kind of think he can but there's any number of birth. It's not only a matter of trying to preserve it. Sometimes it's wow. I want all the new features. I wanted that it has a three-prong plug instead of two. I want it to be that it's not harsh incandescent but wage, you know what I mean? There's a reason to upgrade there's not just based on saving money. They're materially better for all the appliances or whatever else it might be. So and I remember the first time off cuz like you when I first got my car you had to learn how to crawl under it unscrew the oil pan. Let it drain screw it back in and you better screw it back in cuz man if you work with boiling and then it's leaking out of the car. You don't forget that more than once and then our getting filthy dirty trying to get the grease and grime off my hands and I'm like pumice whatever the Lava Lounge, salt exactly. I still have some and the first time I was like, I believe it was Walmart. Just when some of the oil places were starting to spring up and I'm like what time? Dollars or sixteen actually, they'll change my oil they'll change my oil for 16 $16. That's nothing Well sixteen dollars. I'm like in my head. I'm like God, I'd pay somebody like a thousand volts to do this, you know, like do it right now. I'm going to go grab some groceries and I'll be back and I came home and said I got my oil change and he's like well, how did you do that? You are out, you know, the the Palm Drive ways here know I took it to Walmart. They did it. He's like no you that's waste the money Bubba and I'm like, well, you know, what you drive to the store by 4 quarts of oil drive home an hour under there and then they're half hour cleaning. Why is that a way sixteen dollars? You know, exactly. Honestly that I've also thought that's one of my favorite if you will business models like at home doing software development doing oil changing whatever you find the thing that's a pain point for a lot of people as I you having the right equipment, you know, they've got the lift that lifts your car. There is no crawling under and getting gravel in your back anymore either. Take a minute to lift it up there. They're working safely smartly. They've got all the knowledge of how the different oil pans are and every single car or whatever they need to do and by concentrating that expertise and those abilities in one place and they can still do it for 16 bucks like you were saying, I wonder when they first started out they must have said so could we charge a hundred for this? There are so many people that never want to do this again that week off and maybe it did start at a hundred and then they came down as they saw now, I think they should or whatever, you know, so definitely goes for the bottom lowest, you know, all we're doing is changing your oil and hopefully we'll put the oil change exactly now and it's ten minutes we drive in they they check the air they pump up the tires if needed they fix one of my brake lights the one time they changed windshield wiper changed the coil out in 10 minutes for all of it. Like I do it one was in like two minutes of my house that's like that they're not even wage. Jiffy Lube where it's ten bucks fifteen bucks. I think it's like six. I think that's impressive with the name of it. But it's like that they made their business model work is hey, as long as we have your car here. Can we send you out a headlight a new or whatever else it might be and and a lot of cases. It's like as long as that price doesn't seem to gouge e it's like, you know, I was thinking of doing that I was going to buy them at Costco where you have to go through the book of what model is and get the cuz they're not all equal wipers. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's I love that they've found a way to make that convenient, you know, every time when I'm coding one of the things I'm almost thinking of is it's not one shot. It's I'm going to have this system and how do I make it so that it's easily maintainable and that I could show to somebody else and so you're always thinking of how to make something that will take you might have to go through a certain pain to get it just right but then you never have to experience it again. Yeah waiting that subroutine. It's worth doing that, you know, those modern ways of programming. Just give me a good go to and I'm fine wage. Yeah, you know though the thing about fixing stuff versus replacing it some things are actually harder like Furniture. You have to get some really high-end furniture nowadays to make it even fixable because a lot of the lower end stuff that you get they really can't do anything with it the way it's built the way it's put together. They can't take it apart put new coverings on it and they could put this together cuz it just falls apart. It's not designed for that. And the problem you're cracking a bitter you bump in your microphone. If I am I'm sorry. Oh, I just sounds like anyway, but then the the mindset then goes away from that for example, the youngest he was like 9 and our door to the outside edge in this fall and winter it swells a little bit. So it will stick, you know, you sometimes have to push it to get it open. Hey, it's an old house. That's what happens. Yeah, you know where and he does that he's like doors not opening it stuck off. It's just swollen the weather just push a little harder. It'll be fine. And he goes well, we should replace that get a new one. It's a perfectly fine door, you know the mentality then becomes well, you know, there's a scratch on a throwing out. So exactly I don't know if it is that an extension of canceling cultural or one you, you know type stuff and everything right? I guess the same thing, you know, we have an old house. We have a century home and everything that we have not only the swelling but everything isn't quite to you know what I mean? It's not perfectly a ninety-degree angle gear is a plumbob type thing. So when you can see that it's got more of a gap. Tiny tiny difference at the top versus the bottom. It's like even if I got a new door, I I have to like what fix the whole house in order to get this door way to be true. You know what I mean? So you've it's and having said that there's any number of things that come in and I have like lived with had a workaround for for a long time and once in a while when you finally fix something it's embarrassing to say wage. I really for three years twiddled Bob instead of just getting a new knob just getting a new washer. Just getting a new thing. It's amazing how once the the workaround off doing things. It just kind of like Let It Go Right verify. Wow. That was an important when you do it. It's not a day's work. It's like sing of a pub and put it in and now I'm not sure what the sweet spot is between 60 things living with things. I like being but I'm I'm really bold when it comes to electronics computer things maybe electricity, but I'm still spooked by Plumbing, you know in my mind what I have is just turn the thing on and off and defer to be with plumbing. Sometimes I take like the easiest shot at it if that doesn't work. I'm happy to call someone who is actually off the liability. You know what I mean about I fucked to my house. Right? Right. Well you talk about your house our house would probably drive you absolutely crazy. The original part of the house was built during the Civil War so that tells you something but it's been added onto three different times by three different sets of P. So we have some of our house like when we put the new bathroom in we remodeling it put the cabinets in and you got the cabinets like this. Then you got the wall like this so long cuz we leveled it are one room is like a funhouse room. If you're a little off balance, you'll fall into the wall because it tilts and Q exactly. Yeah the fish tank you can see the fish tank and its life is wrong with the fish taking like oh my God, that's the room. So there's issues re Kovacs video. Yeah, you know, I I love his stuff and he was one of the first to experiment with em, you know TV is not reality. I can make like an a whole set built that is indeed at that angle and I'll put some on another table in the salt shaker slides or the you know, and it was when you were looking at it it off at all. Okay until the trade all the way in which is right response though. There's terrorism, you know, no right. There's a small amusement park or something over in PA that has a house like that. Yep. Can walk through and you turn the corner and it's like well, I'm going up and you're walking you're going to wait I should be falling and it's really disconcerting to walk exact that they're so smart though. They've been able to sneak manipulate perspective. So that what your eyes are seeing is not reality. But you have to do what your brain is telling you and say I love that. I was trying to figure out how to use perspective as a super power for a superhero that he could treat what he looks at as if it's 2D so someone's like a mile away, but he can see him he can just grab the little. And throw them in a bucket of water and it drowned somebody because that's really an inch high, you know, I was trying to figure that out. That's interesting. It's kind of funny all the ways in which you break the rules of physics if you will like the game portal is so much stuff like that. And if you can get your mind around I really can create an opening here to there and I can kind of like reach in and out and effects things far away as we talked about this. I think that that's one of the intoxicating. Yep. Things about that ability to expand your senses or what you can influence it really explains something interesting in human nature. Like if you're a Peeping Tom, it's not only because hey sexy it's because you really get to see things that other people can't you get that advantage of I can see further than most people would be able to even consider and when I I won't have been off shooting a couple of times in my life. And actually I was pretty good at like I said, I have good eye-hand coordination and a relatively steady but the cool thing about it was wow blink. I can move that thing fifty yards down range Thirty $23 fifty. I was experimented with how much and there's an intoxicating thing too. I can affect something not just within my range. It's within my throwing reach. I have this ability to prepare myself. You know what I mean? It's really I can see why it's cool. That's the developer coder mindset. You know, I'm creating something from nothing to do this job or this function and wage. Look, I made this and look what it does. Like you said with your Russian Stock Exchange or whatever, you know, it didn't exist. I traded it does it now, you know that it's the leg off for adults and stuff. It really is. And in fact, that's I've always loved that, you know, we creating a order out of chaos, you know what I mean when you look at a system and there's so many things that can go wrong and you actually managed to Wrangle it that it's not only does it work, but does it work no matter what it's kind of like, you know, like they always talk about well the first fifty part of the project thing 50% and then the other fifty partakes the other 90% off making something bulletproof as a whole different skill a whole different Outlook than just getting something to run once you know what I mean? So it's cool to be able to shift your mindset shift your hat and get to not that I've seen how it works. But I prevent all the things that could go wrong user input Telecom interference, whatever else it might be. It's it's kind of cool. That's that and if you're a hacker of any kind, that's what you're thinking is what birth Things that people did in the couch for you know what I mean? How do I get in because they didn't do the rigorous and so that could lead into a little bit of its, you know, there's all kinds of politics in the news and you know, I don't think we're a political podcast but I can't help but take some wonderful satisfaction in you know, there's bad guys with guns. They're trying to assert their will with cuz they have a gun but you know, I should guys have is 99% of the data from parlor, you know, being hateful doesn't make you smart doesn't it makes you met reckless in some ways and the fact that there's one of the things I've noticed about that particular odd mindset of people that's fuel out of hate or talk about, you know, their one of their projects I'm sins is there's no talking about the group outside the group. There's no doxxing revealing people's identities, and that's because they know that hey the gun gives them power, but they're still dead. Powerless in this modern interconnected world to really hide they want to think that they can do it that they can go to parlor and parlor will take care of them. But that just wasn't the case. You know what I mean? Whatever opportunistic think it was done to throw it out first place. Whatever smart people are able to say. Hey, did you see how this password in works? And if I do it in the cloud and it just was amazing that it wasn't a data breach. I just wrote about this. It was a total vacuum you everything that's ever occurred on there. It's kind of amazing. And so I'm hoping there's there's now a Pocketful stories. Unfortunately of they were immediately put on the no-fly list and there was a whole bunch of liquid hackers are not magic but that ability to say well what would have been too hard for someone to do that? They might have left it open. That's where I'll check first. What's the easily overlooked or what's the name? It's all the interfaces that you have to really be careful about. What you using any kind of API. You gotta know exactly what you're putting in what you're getting out and if you overflow the field or what I mean, I could kick it up so much wage. There's all kinds of things. If you know how those tools work. If you know how a database works and what happens when you get more data in a field than you should that people can take advantage of that. It's kind of cool that the white hats are actually saying, you know, those things that have worked against us when someone was able to you know, take this security information funny. A lot of those things can be used for good and bad. I'm I'm enjoying that. I'm enjoying that you can't have a big enough gun to stop people from saying we have you on video. You actually took your own video and posted it. You know, we have your sources. How did you find out if license exactly so that knock on the door that they horribly make references to about you know, kristallnacht and stuff like that that they are not free from that. They're actually going to be really easily rounded up if we put our minds to it. And so I'm I'm hoping that that we're there will be enough deterrence from this kind of thing happening, but God terrible breach of etiquette and safety and decency and democracy that it might not be that they only replied in ways that they would have wanted to be replied. Hey shoot at us will be martyrs. Hey, we have enough guns will be happy to get in a gunfight. No other find out that all of what they've tried to do to get all their stand your ground laws and all those stockpiles of armaments that they've got all the atmosphere. We're going to find out that they didn't buy themselves. Any safety there a hundred years behind they don't know how the real world works. Well, all they had to do is watch Star Wars. You know, Lou Castillo de is the dark side stronger. He's like no, it's just quicker. It's not stronger there. You should come on we've known this thing to the geek world for forty some years and and it's nice. We're not we're of course. We're not really doing it to them. It's being done to us. You know, there's all kinds of PODS of East European. Shall we call it, you know Russian and other places hackers that are regularly took to get into our systems and they're doing it for can they affect our infrastructure whatever our various different, you know, our our water and our power and all that kind of stuff on Telecom and there's really some sad Tales of they have been able to do that. So we have a very careful but whatever that ever escalating battle is between the black hats and the white hats there really are some people that are patriotic enough then instead of saying, how can I cash in on this ability? They're like, well, how can I use this page thirty-four good and I'll still make money. And in fact, maybe I have to adopt a lifestyle that says I need to kind of remain myself off the you know out of sight because you don't want to just do a really good thing really visibly because you attract the attention of bad people who are trying to shut down your ability trying to heart rate because of it. So I I'm not an essay. I'm Not Dead Are near that real world of Spooks and attack counter-attack, but I I read about it in books and it sure seems that you know what I mean. There's there's all kinds of things where the dog snow terms of the world. There's all kinds of people that have become lightning rods for Wikileaks and stuff like that and maybe sometimes what happens there is they make a person a lightning rod and they let them have all that attention. Whereas in real life a whole bunch of stuff is happening in the background that there are still good things happening to Panama papers will come out the you know what I mean more so now than ever, you know, cuz the radio off and and you know, though just for Playing devil's advocate for just a moment. Let's say all these hackers really did take over everything and let's say the riot was bigger and took over the capital and stuff and change things and took control and did it well twenty years from now, they would be the good guys because that's how they wrote it in the history and it was everybody else. That was stopping them and they made the world a better place. So I mean, you know that definitely is a huge philosophical discussion, right? You know, just go back let you know if Hitler had taken overhead controlled everything we would be reading a very different history that he's not the evil dictator. He was in crazy that he was a genius and he saved the world so worried it's not only that by that meaning it's all the victors often write the histories. They don't write the only history, you know, I mean, we know all kinds of things about people that have tried to sanitize themselves every terrible things and and I think that when you're doing terrible things you kind of can't write enough new history to make up for the fact that there are bodies buried there are lists of all the crimes you've committed and no matter how you try to change public opinion of not taking pokes out of their homes and putting them in camps. That's not a crime because humans it's it's ridiculous. Any reasonable decent is thinking person would wage. Buy into all that they'd become the rebels and eventually the rebels would overthrow that next regime because I think that you know, I love quotes along the lines of you know, the Arc of History tends to get Justice tends toward civilization. I think that there's enough human spirit that even while there are these momentary blips of totalitarian regimes and so forth. I don't think that's a natural human stage. I think a natural human state is decency and equal treatment and Justice and that things that perturb it they only do it by force use-of-force use of intimidation small minority. Just louder. Yeah and that, you know, every every single evil guy should have somebody whispering in his ear time goes on Fame is fleeting. They will eventually die. There's so many of these places that are not a whole system. It's one or two crazies that have that really terrible charismatic power to get other people to do their bidding and yet they're going to page. Eventually and it's very uncommon for the 2nd to the 3rd and 4th of dictator to have that same iron hold they sometimes try but eventually things, you know takes 30 years to throw out off, you know, the the the various different regimes in Asia or in Africa or in South America or here if it ever happens, it takes generational change in medieval Europe how many kings and fiefdoms and kingdoms were there and they're no longer around, you know, they controlled everything and in modern I mean the thing about the history and this is a scary thing for me. Is that just about every text Book Creator with only a couple out there like McMillan and cute and Mifflin and all those but the ones I write the text books they pass it through the Texas Board of Education for approval because Texas buys like almost half the textbooks. So so Texas literally as well, we're not dead. By this and let you change this because that's what we believe so there have been you know, it's known but it's also like what are we going to do type thing? Yeah, so that's scary. I am a whole big, you know before Facebook. I actually there was some social media out there and I had actually started site called the smart life that was using ning and it was a month. You could create your own social network. You could have many of the features of you know, people and posting and and including a video and whatever else it might be and if I remember correctly that was one of the very first things that I posted out about was because this is a new age is a dozen years ago. They were first becoming aware of the inordinate power because of the number of textbooks that they buy that that particular group had and that the reason that was noticeable was because they weren't juice rubber-stamping things. They were indeed trying to rewrite history. We don't like, Jefferson anymore. So let's take him out what the right? So that's the guy who helped to write that you know these famous dog. It's when you saw the kinds of things they were doing they were so egregiously wrong and bad like it had to be that someone stood up to them and said well, California buys a lot of tax breaks look at their standards as well. Let's not just let this one control shooting Monopoly power when it's being obviously abused. Let's not only buy into that and I guess hopefully I really don't know what the current state of that is did the textbook manufacturers manufacturers printers give into ridiculous standards or did they make two different versions? That's kind of what I hope is that Texas got the bulb is first Enterprise Texas idiot version and that the rest of the world got whatever the consensus is as to what's true. What significance what does it matter to tell future Generations instead of wage try to put together a propaganda Pam? Yeah. Yeah. That's a good question cuz I haven't followed up with it. It was just something I've run across in the publishing world. So maybe it's worth looking into to see if things have changed especially with the e-book Market, you know, and how that is, but with when they're charging like in college you remember? Oh that books $300 exactly. Man. I do remember that, you know that whatever I I paid for half my college my mom and dad, you know, split the cost with me, so that pretty much it came down to you know, they took care of maybe tuition and room-and-board. I went to a state school. So that was all reasonable, but I had to work the entire summer just to get the money that I was going to use for textbooks and them left over. I got to go to a movie right and I had to work during college. I washed test tubes at the materials research lab I slung pizza at Garcia's I had all kinds of things to continue to get that little bit of extra money because you can back then colleges. It was very expensive you if you were from a standard middle class background, you know what I mean? I had my God Like a year scholarship, you know when I but I didn't get a four-year ride. I got $1,000 from Burroughs Corporation cuz I was a National Merit scholar and I always wondered, you know, wow, I I wish that I would have been dead. Like didn't they they after I was through college and this is going to cross has maybe a little bit of like privileged bitching but it really is reality. Like I saw people from our school if they're good at Athletics if they're good at music. They're going to various other things. They really were getting free rides and I was like, wow, I'm like valedictorian and I got all these Awards like I was a mathlete. I got really got like a national recognition type stuff and that turned into a thousand dollars. And and so I knew this is still going to be up to me, you know between my parents saving money for us and and I had two brothers so they were working on putting all of us through college and it wasn't going to be easy. And so we didn't get any of the Daughters of the American Revolution, you know, not not scholarships fellowships, you know, I was dead. Whatever the scholars are that play golf. You know what? I mean? I didn't seem to have I was too vanilla generic American to get it on any of the cool set aside. There wasn't a Lithuanian American things for me a German record. So I guess having said all that it isn't meant to be complaining it really is and this Neil again. Wow, you know record Marte but it's still you really valve or something when it's not handed to you. I knew people that really had college is kind of a four-year party. They didn't have to work hard right to pay. You know, I really wanted my education cuz every time that I took it in another shift at three fifteen an hour. I was sure I was going to get my education money's worth because I did all this crap to get one. You've done sack lunch man, you know, I'm getting up at five thirty in the morning to be there for 6 to 7:30 while everybody else is making their sack lunches cuz they're not be able to make it back to the dorms, etc. Etc. I did whatever was necessary cuz I knew that I had to get that off. Free and kind of like give myself a leg up on Life College was going to help me. Let's do this, you know that and not the put down any of that. I think that's important but I think in today's world lots of people are questioning the value of college as much that we agree. There are way too many kids getting out of college. Oh, I was there for four years. We owe $87,000. I've been working and can't pay for any of it yet. Right and what do I get a job doing? I'm working at Target. How you doing? Welcome to Target, you know, and and it's not just one or two. It's a lot and that we we've talked about us doing some of our talks and speeches and going out and giving these the one I've been working on is off directly addressing that how it's the kids coming up are looking at it going. Okay, wait a second. You want me to give you like a hundred thousand dollars so you can give me a certificate that dog. As I'm good at such and such but there's no jobs in that and I may have to work at the zoo, you know, you know, you can't do the cost-benefit analysis and for many people starting off with that hundred-thousand-dollar Millstone on their neck. Yeah doesn't make any sense. I agree and what these kids are discovering is I don't even have to go work for somebody else. I have everything. I need in my phone, you know, they can't smoke in McDonald's because McDonald's has a kiosk and a burger making machine. There's one guy sitting there doing the crossword puzzle making sure the machine keeps working and and it sounds funny to us, but it's a reality show. We thought five years ago. Hey, we're going to push for McDonald's to pay their employees fifteen dollars an hour and then McDonald's responded with okay. We'll pay you $15 an hour. But instead of ten of years. I only need to write cuz now we got so much automation pushing against whatever efficiencies exactly. So, you know that they can't even work at the burger joints or the pizza places cuz now with covid-19 Online and driving through the drive-through or swinging by, you know, they're not even delivering as much that's a guess on my part. I definitely more people going through drive-throughs then I've ever seen the for pizza. You you're cracking. Okay, you got a short or something loose. I haven't touched a really am keeping my hands clear the mic and from all the cables and stuff like that. I don't think you can crackling it's no it was just I mean it sounded like something was loose or a short there for a moment. It's better now, but so I mean we're kind of used wage is so again the piece of job to help pay for school may not exist because people don't use that delivery as much I hear you very odd time right now in there probably has been quotes on on time for like twenty years. You know what I mean as we've had more automation or more. I don't know. This is such a huge discussion, you know, whatever it is about getting people educated and or helping them get self-educated. How do you make it so that there still enough money coming in that they can live doing it or sponsorship from their parents or from various different organizations. I think that some of the value of an education is dead. Only what you're learning but like learning how to learn you learn time management. You learn how to how to be able to triage between I got multiple things do and what am I going to do to get my grade point average highest that I can study the things that are most going to matter. I have some prerequisites that are just maybe not going to be as much important in the real world, but you also while I'm distracted cuz I really love this classical civilization stuff. I love reading egg allergy and whatever else so I think that that's part of what if you're only on your own you don't necessarily get those things and then your allowance blindsided by them. When you have to apply them into the real world of life too much to do and how am I going to choose? How am I going to justify that to somebody else when they say why didn't you get my project done? Right? Cuz you know what? I mean it it's there's there's some value about going away to live on your own you often people that have been arrested development living in the womb of home to finally go and say wow. I I need to do my own laundry. I need to like watch my own. There's absolutely some transition. Strong. There where you're still kind of sheltered, but you're learning important lessons about setting an alarm clock and I totally agree. That's one of the reasons. I wish all my kids gone to school and lived at school and gotten that cuz I got a lot out of that but on the flipside how many kids did you know that dropped out of school the first year the second year and they couldn't handle it they come across as in I agree. I really do, you know, if and I don't know we had I was in computer science and that's a tough major. So we had a number any number of people that didn't keep their grades, but they were going to stay in their major. They went to like I was went to school at University of Illinois in Champaign-Urbana. They went to the local community college and did the some of the courses that was still applied towards College grade got their grades back up and then re-entered the college curriculum, and I don't know it was weird to have people disappear for a couple of semesters and come back but not weird. It was very heartening to say. Well you took it on instead of just going back home and saying I guess I'll be a blank page. Like no, I really want this. I I screwed up. I didn't discipline myself. I've I found out that what am I going to do? If I'm left unattended I'm going to go to the gym and play racket ball all the time. I'm going to go drinking on Wednesday nights Etc, Thursday and Friday and your boy how he was the reasons there were to go drinking at U of I Wednesday Little Kings night. There's you know what? I mean, you could ladies night out here. Here's my my viewpoint on this and I I mean I saw it, you know, when I was in school to kids would drop out or they come back and not very often but God if kids can't afford to go to school if they're able to do work on their phone, but they can't do just one job they have to do four or five those same skills. They're going to to get or they're going to be you know, struggling so it's either it clicks in their brain that I've got a buckle down and I've got these three jobs, but I can add one more to make that extra $100 this week, you know dead. And then how do I still get my laundry done and the dogs out and you know, whatever else so I think but again, I don't think it's so much the environment. I think it's just the individual cuz regardless of environment there's going to be people that I that's too much for me. I can't do it. I'll just work at the local store and it doesn't matter if it's college or working off your phone or whatever that yeah, so maybe that's what it is. It's the big sieve that helps people understand. What what can I do? You know if I'm not in Bear down if I'm not the guy that can juggle between if I'm not the gal that is going to be home. I care about this by why is big enough that I'm going to overcome adversity. Then you realize that about yourself and it's not giving up but it's just definitely realigning yourself to say, I'm most comfortable working with people and so I guess I'm not going to get a degree in a deeply technical field because I don't like being by myself working on coat, you know that kind of thing and honestly the way the world's going for example the law. This one talk. I heard that I've based a lot of my research on is that and covid-19 is push this even faster is that they're predicting in the future. We're going to need more nurses but less doctor and that we're going to have the teladoc to do most of it and so in office right now that has five doctors is going to have all these Tela docs and one doctor but they're going to meet all the nurses to do all the Hands-On stuff and even that they're taking some of that away and so the hands on, you know, the dentist office, there's one to send there's ten, you know, hygienic so forth exactly the I don't know if that doesn't require a degree type stuff exactly and that's what they're doing a lot of and so people that are doing Hands-On things. For example, again my other podcast I just talked to an author who wrote a book called man stuff and he's a car dealership owner and he wrote this song. For boys to teach them how to be a man lessons on how to be a man how to shake hands how to tie a tie when to hold open a door how to set a table how to cook a gourmet meal just took that comes a lock like every half generation every 15 minutes ruko sheer Madness and that's actually I hear you. Okay, so it's these things that Hands-On thing that he was working on teaching the boys and those are the things that are going to get people jobs. He told a story that the one kids father had an auto repair place and the weather in the boys wanted to learn Auto Repair how to change oil it's man stuff, right? So they went and this guy is just talking and some of the other parents fathers were like what they were astounded because he's like well, yeah, you know, I work with my hands I get dirty. I think she's cars, but I'm proud of it because these people need their cars and I do good work and they come back to me and he said yeah I make over a hundred thousand a year off. These other dads are like you make over a hundred thousand working on cars, you know, I went to school. I have a degree. I work in a big high-rise building and you make more money than I do and you have no degree and it's in a Dusty little garage. So again, I laughed because I said that's kind of what the world is going to things that can be automated the High-Tech high end jobs that people used to do our going away and we need more of the hands on people jobs and that's what's going to get people money in the future. I think you're I mean, they're boy, there's a hundred examples of them. I mean, they're finding out that it isn't the I think that no matter what field you're in expertise helps, you know what I mean the cream Rises to the top and so there's all kinds of people that went in finance because he that's where the money is. But you know, if you suck at your job, you're not going to be one of those Elite you're going to be one of the schmoes that is making their, you know, fifty k a year instead of a hundred or whatever the the level is dead. There are different professions that have different media and levels but it doesn't mean that you're going to stand out and so you still have to have those standards of excellence. Those human qualities the Hands-On I make it that you're easy and fun to work with not just well, he's a necessary evil and we have to have that Cog in the machine know when people come back. They look forward to working with you again. They trust you with their car. All those are things that crossed you with their database. They trust you with their cake decoration. It applies in all different kinds of ways. You know, one of the things I've always tried to do is when I I was a consultant for a long time and didn't necessarily like ask directly for letters of recommendation, but every job that I took on I tried to say well this can be a new line for my resume. And if I do really well, then it'll be easy to have them as a reference. Like I said not necessarily on paper, but I have all kinds of people that I was happy to say if you want to know how what good work. I do just talked to my last one and two and three jobs and the fact You can say that that there's no blocks on your record that's itself encouraging when you're looking for Newark that you don't have anything to hide. You've got nothing but pride in what you've been able to do and I I hope that that's exactly you know, the people who are not shysters the people that are one of the joys of Angie's List which we use often is finding out which contractors are good and good for their word and when they say, yes, they'll do yes not know and they'll try to fleece you because as a field there's all kinds of horror stories about well the job got half done and then they ghosted they disappeared and you know, and then I had to so I love the fact that there are it's a consumer reports if you will not only for products but for people because that really matters reputation-based stuff is important. I don't think I have had many people that would gain say almost anything that worked on. I'm not always done excellent fantastic work, but I have tried and I I have more than less. You know what I mean? I anyway, it's it's well that that I mean dog That thinking mindset and attitude. I've tried to instill that in all the kids and me and Gina all the kids. We've tried to it's like I don't care if you were working minimum wage. I don't care if you're working with what you think is the crappiest job go do a good job do it. Well do it as well as you can and relax and smile and enjoy it. I because of that attitude will just carry over to every job if you don't do that and pretty soon you'll you know, your manager if you like. Yeah, I need somebody to work extra but that person's grumpy all the time. I did not want to work with them. And so these other people who do it good a job as they can they move up they get so instead of leaving this the I stock shelves, you know, like well, I stocked shelves but then I became a nurse should manager and then I became a lead so I was only there for a year and half but I moved up to lead and now I'm looking for a new job. Well, that sounds like you know absolutely bacteria wage. You know Colleen, you know, my my wife is in retirement plans. She does. She's a relationship manager for big clients that do their retirement plans both 401k and 403b is pretty much wage for-profit and not-for-profit at all kinds of other things and one of the things like she deals therefore with all kinds of people that are also he will be in that service industry. They're having a 401k page is not necessarily part of the expertise the necessity for a company if you're making widgets your you want to be a great at making widgets and one of the Necessities is you have to offer your people off benefits reasonable, you know, 401k and maybe matching and all that kind of stuff and so it's by definition of service industry and whenever she bumps into people that aren't that she's like, why are you here? It doesn't it hurt you every minute of every day to be the one that isn't happily picking up the phone going. What can I do for you? Then instead you're the information gatekeeper or you're the the the mad dog barking and everybody dead. Like catchy align yourself with what would be a better position for you and let somebody in who does have a service mentality make five hundred a thousand ten thousand people happy, you know, she's got some big clients that have thirty thousand employees and like if you have someone at the top it's not making it easy for thirty thousand people. What a crime that is. I mean that multiplier effect. It just it shouldn't be that those people are sometimes where they are. Maybe they started off good and now they've gotten like, you know, estranged or something like that. But sometimes their personality is just not suited for their work out. Yeah, and it's you know, I see a lot and you know being an old grumpy guy you want to say it's the the younger generation but you know, they seem very entitled this job sucks. I hate to a job the kids two of our kids work at Meijer overnight stocking shelves and stuff and they say yeah, there's this one guy. He just hates it everything. He does. He picks it up just throws it or if he drops him. Set out of the way cuz he just doesn't want to be there doesn't like it. Well, then don't take the job. You know, it's not just this younger generation. There's plenty of people fifty years old that do the same thing on Thursday. So, you know, I don't really like we we are from having been around we've seen, you know, generational shifts and stuff like that and to go back local we were talking about the start. I don't know how kids are doing it nowadays to kind of keep it together optimism wise they've seen any number of safety nets be removed. They've seen it rampant greed and opportunism among some of the highest the people you want to think of as your your value leaders off the people that are trying to show you how it is to be a a decent citizen instead boy. We've got vast in income inequality and not just by happenstance by a very concerted effort to gain the rich get richer and richer richer and leave everybody else behind and so I could see how they're like, how am I going to break through? How am I going to make enough to be safe and comfortable and and were dead Opportunity and so all along the lines of what job what college whatever else it might be. Its I can see so this is a tenuous connection. There's some kind of like, well don't buy into that current system. If you know that it's going to be nothing but I slaved away for forty-five years and then dropped in exhaustion that instead find a way to be outside of that do suck disruptive activities some disruptive Tech that's going to say I didn't buy into work for one company and get a gold watch. That's kind of a long-gone thing now. Yeah, I used to do work in the gig economy that kept me satisfied and interested I was able to work until I found a niche that I found I was exceptionally motivated in and good at wage. I concentrate on that and you know, like in this era of everybody is interconnected you have many ways that don't involve sending a resume into a company and hope you don't get put into the round file. There's so many ways that things get to age. Nowadays of continual kind of improving your life that I'm hoping that in ways that I don't fully understand or or can't anticipate that they're still wonderful things happening in that regard. We often talk to I'm into Investments. And so what I'm looking for things I'm not buying into the old stodgy companies that are mostly nowadays making it because they've amassed terrible Monopoly power. They have a mass they're for lazy. They're not hungry anymore. You want to not get the big insurance company but some place like lemonade that is doing insurance for young people just the right amount in the right ways so that they don't need to be I walked in and I just said how much are you going to fleece before so I can get minimal protection that people are really trying to create better ways of doing real estate and insurance and like big fields that are being disrupted. I as an older guy. I don't know that I'm the young guys going to write that Tech anymore. But as I've kind of talked about a lot of how I invest isn't to make money, it's Thursday. See the future that I want to create and I say I'll help you all invest a little bit whatever I can do to sponsor you if you will and so I'm into all kinds of places that are a better way of communicating a better way of ensuring a better way of getting solar page instead of oil. It's it's nice to see that the better world can be created and that some places are going to kind of crash on the Rocks, but that's because they haven't made a point of changing wage times of understanding that this is the way the world is changing. They're going to fight it instead of embracing it and the motivations, you know, that's the whole system development learning curve and yet you gotta have creative destruction in capitalism. You have to have new things happen and old things fade away that are the buggy whips of the past. You know what I mean, right how how many times have you dial zero to tell the operator to connect you off? Like say. You know what, I mean? And and sometimes I'm I've no I've read about I've read all kinds of futurism books if you will how technology progresses and it isn't as you know wage. A nice smooth curve. It's kind of like ratchety and stair stepping that all of a sudden something will happen where hey a character on a t show does things in a new way everybody watching that show says, yeah. That's why in the world. Would I ever dye zero again? And so like, you know sales of dialing 0 calls plummet because now everybody has and it's not that's a crappy example, cuz really why that happened was she started to have phones that you didn't have to memorize a single number you'd have to look at any it's not the transport nowadays is you can find easily from the person that called you you all sure we have a way of calling them back and all that kind of stuff way long ago. I did some work with General magic play people that had been with apple that were making new devices and one of their big breakthroughs was how to create jobs that network of you don't need to worry about email addresses and numbers and so forth. It always had that metadata running back and forth so that, you know the first place where you want to just be able to say to your phone call log. In accounting and it knew who bill in accounting was and it just humanized the whole experience were so much in that place. Now, you know, I mean it I laugh about we still have old phone numbers and addresses in our head from when we were kids cuz she had to do but not the new stuff not the new stuff care less what the street address is some place if all you do is put it into your GPS and at the magic takes you right to it off. So I liked it. A lot of that inefficiency has been forever bad. I mean Killeen I still like using Maps while we're traveling because it's fun to be able to scan on the couch while we're crossing Montana. Oh, I didn't know that, you know x y z Canyon was just Thirty miles off the road. It sounds kind of cool. Let's go see it. If you only have the postage stamp, you're not necessarily going to know about that cause guiding you right to where you want to go. So there are still reasons to have somebody old ways. But Monday the day-to-day hassle of the old base. I am very glad that it has evaporated. Yep. Everything you were just saying about that is exactly that you know, you always have every generation you have the kids the people that don't want to go out of themselves. They don't have the mindset to what could I change what could be different? You know, they even may think oh that's too big but you always have those that say, you know what I can do this and I'm going to do this, you know, and another thing we talked about that lady who when she was sixteen flew to Europe to be with the Beatles and Scotland Yard was trying to track her down and when she came back to Cleveland she got rock and roll band, which I'm still trying to get a hold of her. I want to get her so we can talk to her but one of the things she said was you know, what for the rest of my life cuz she's like in her seventies now thought nothing scared her she wasn't afraid to just quit a job to go somewhere else or move or whatever because I I flew to Europe and followed the Beatles When I Was sixteen and no money I got Rockin Pig Banned in a whole city. Yeah, if that doesn't build some confidence in you then, you know, nothing will and I and we talked about before that's one of the things I see is we take all that away from our kids. We don't tell them to climb the tree because we don't want to get hurt. Well that transfers to them. They're afraid to get hurt so they don't climb a tree. You know, my kids like well, I don't know and like I just climate you'll be fine a branch is won't break or anything. Of course. I don't mention you you could fall, you know, but so they have of confidence to do it and now they'll go climb a tree and they're not afraid to you know, I hear you a great example, Okay, let me know please. He's a great example. He was go to college now. He's not he's been writing stories and sending them out to try and get into the comic book Mom it he is working with the local store owner. They're going to hopefully open a game store and he's just like, yeah, we're open a game store and I'm going to run it how many nineteen-year-olds go. Yeah. I'm just open a game store in Rome. Honestly, that's fantastic. You know that that wonderful boldness. I mean that is you know, their fortune favors the Bold so much of what I just have like a thousand quotes. I want to throw in here, you know, there's I know that there's a great quote that says the size of your world if the size of your courage, you know, when I was ten years out of college and working and I started to hear from my friends in Chicago, you know, we live in Glen Ellyn and we kind of don't go into the city anymore because it's scary and like Chicago has a million things that you should be going in to do. It's got this Festival in this concert and this the lakefront in Chicago it's off and the first time you hear someone telescope their life down because oh no crime. Oh no traffic. It's like but but it's trade-offs. It's not a yes. No, it's not a little massage. And and I don't know, you know when someone gets scared of driving when someone gets scared of there's all kinds of things that you know, their courage is what's going to make it so that yes, I can go to Europe and not have a plan change. But I know that I have the ability to find a place to sleep. I have a credit card. I have I think on my feet I'm not going to be the the most ripped off least person. I'm not gonna be the most endangered person wage over the neighborhoods getting CD like the the way you get those muscles is cuz you exercise to do it. You know, I made you do it so Colleen and I any number of times, you know, I don't need a lot of why we love traveling is because it's a combination of I know we got a place to stay tonight. But until then here's my spreadsheet of all the things we might do and if we happen to see a cool mini golf Castle. I'm home off, you know what I mean? Sometimes I blow Gina's mind cuz cuz I'll put on the calendar like pencil things in and I get them from Facebook. I get home from the library page from the local community events or whatever and she look at the calendar go. What are these twenty things for Saturday? What are we doing? I'm like, oh, I don't know. What do you want to do exactly what you planned all this stuff? No. No. No, I just put it on there if we thought Like doing that we can but it's not a big deal and she's like but there's like twenty things on here. We can't do all this right pick the one you want. You know, I mean, I do the same thing that cracks me up exactly which one is that a couple of times we will have I'll have the same thing. I'll have multiple possibilities and will say well, let's pick the one but sometimes it's like boy, there's like three things we really want to do if we just do a little bit of coordination we can do 10:00 to 12 and wage for and no 10:00 and we can get it all done and it might be that will kind of drop exhaust at the end of the day, but we will have, you know seen the mammoth and seen the balloons go up and we will have eaten at this great place else is doing a little bit of not just take the easy route. You know what I mean? So you're not going to lie on your deathbed and go man. I really went to see those things. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. And so there's a certain amount also of I don't know there's so many maybe again, you know kind of pablum type quotes of you know, jump off the cliff and your grow wings on the way down. That's my favorite. You know, I just there's something to be said for you have to exercise your self-confidence. You have to exercise your ability to say I can think on my feet. There's any number of people that have succeeded when they didn't know what they were doing until they were in the middle of it. And even if I fail look how much I've learned in failing that that there aren't this isn't a permanent thing. I'm not going to jail because I failed I might have like well, I'm I'm down money that week and I might have to eat ramen instead of you know what I mean? It's there's a a reason to exercise your patience of proportion. You know, boy, I've had so many discussions with people about risk management over the years and their risk management thing almost seems to be look how awful it could get we have to prevent that at all costs. It's like it's not at all cost you look at what it would take to recover from that you look at how much you're willing to pay to prevent it, but it's all probabilities and money and numbers. It's not showing Let's talk about how bad it might be and then do whatever is necessary to never let that happen very Mike and you know playing with investing it isn't about m i a smarty do I have futuristic prediction abilities so much of it is just risk versus reward and you have to be able to take on a certain amount of risk of uncertainty not knowing what the future will hold to get reasonable reward and it's not just investing. It's in everything in life when you're like looking for a loved one. You know what I mean? I'm going to go to this place. And is it a happy hunting ground for me? I'm going to meet someone and they seem to be good. But you have to put yourself out there in invulnerability founded honesty and in service to say I might get bashed in the face because I misread are the equality person do they will they like me equally all that kind of stuff but the reward is high and so again Risk Managers not worried about that. It's what's the potential for this and and I I don't think that that's just happy talk so much in my life. I can remember times where as like I know I'm going in seeking this really dead. Thing or try to and try to shave off the worst of the risks. That's the point of having Insurance. That's the point of you know, getting yourself physically fit. So you're not going to be the one to collapses on the trail. You know what I mean? If you're going to climb the place in Yosemite with the chains not Old Faithful, of course doesn't matter, you know, you have to do a little bit of preparation to say off Mi pie-in-the-sky about this or am I capable have I given myself a good shot at doing this, you know, when you're going to be a championship boxer it isn't about that, you know, ten three minute rounds. It's the six months of training you put in to say I'm not going to be the guy that Flags. I'm going to be as fresh in the throat as I am in the first cuz I ran five hundred miles on the Streets of Philadelphia, whatever else I might be, you know, actually can't right. Now. Was there a fits in with everything? We've just been saying for the last half-hour, you know, you don't know if you're a win that boxing match or not you you might lose so to win you've got to prepare and if you probe Or if you know, you've worked your hardest you've done everything in your confidence going into that boxing match as much higher, you know, you're going to win cuz you have prepare, you know, it goes right back to everything else. We've been saying with the kids and everything else. It's El Capitan, by the way, that's okay, you know if we talked about this before I just love that by that meeting. I I know I know it and then it won't come to me right away. So we start talking about other things but and somebody in my mind is going through the files and they're like, they pull it out and they say hey and then in and luckily, you know, there's that conversation on the staircase that that goes on the staircase of after the party's over you remember? Oh I should have said that it would have been so funny instead of having it be like a two-hour thing for me. It seems to be like a 20-second refresh for me often times. May pop out in real time. It's like well that is just so freaking handy. I can't tell you what not win on Jeopardy because you've lost that 15-second opportunity world. It's very cool to be able to say. Oh, yeah, by the way that wage. Tom Hanks in that one movie and that and that who knows that's some part of me but an unconscious part of me, that's like I'll work on that you take you keep going with your conversation. I'll get back to you. I loved my brain can do that that it multitasks and like blinks it up for tends to be like analysis of things but it takes a little longer instead of the page remember telling specific it'll be some analysis and literally there have been many times. We're up to a week later. You know, I'll be talking to Jim Rome by the way and blah blah blah. She like wait. What are we talking about? Like, do you remember when we talked about this and we did this? We she like, yeah, I know myself this and she's like if you've been thinking about this the whole time like, well not consciously think about it. It's just it's working on it was all in the background and then here it is all done. You know what I mean? Actually been helping me with my writing because there'll be a part of the book off. That just doesn't feel right and I'll just let it go and then a couple of days later. Oh, this is what I need to do and I fix this and and it makes it much better. So I've discovered sometimes I just got to move on and do something else for awhile Yes again there, you know, I like to read habits of like wonderful famous brilliant people and so you could I acquire those myself Edge see when you read about that's what I suggest them off would do when he got stuck on a page. He would like not sit there until blood came out of his forehead. He'd go to a movie he'd go for a walk and he would count on he knows that his brain does all that cool analysis and multitasking in the background and he come back and like a solution had presented itself and some people might call it your views or you know, where did that come from? But when that happens 20 times in a row you get I don't care where it comes from. I care that it works. So I love that too that I've had things that I was working on writing or coding or whatever else it might be and then all of a sudden like the light bulb Goes on and it's like I don't know where that comes from. But thanks again Universe how cool you know? We just chatted a little bit about this at times, you know, if there are other dimensions ever are there places where are dimensions closer? Are we really receiving that info from somewhere else? Cuz I've told people they're like well, how did how did you think of that and I'm like, I really didn't I might it was like I was looking in a part of the veil and looked into another world and I'm just writing down what they were doing. You know, it's like it's already there or what was it one of the famous sculptors. They said well, that's a beautiful statue. How do you ever picture? He's like, it was always there. I just brought it out exactly. I moved every part of it that wasn't the horse. You know, I need that exactly I've made jokes about you know, where'd you come up with that? Well, I talked to Al 616, you know from an alternate Dimension. And actually I think six one six is our home to visit. I was going to tell you say that you know, I knew your name. The world I've often when I talk about guidebooks. I'll put I'll put like, you know, I'm talking in Cincinnati and then I kind of do that expanding outwards viewers like Cincinnati in Ohio in the USA life on Earth on Earth 616. Oh well, so I think that it's cool. One of the things that I've always liked about Mensa was that they have often multi-generational talks when I first showed up in my first mentioned meetings. This would have been like a mid seventies and then I really want to wait for a while, but then I came back in the early nineties and it was just very cool to be able to talk to someone fifty years my senior, but they're all they're wonderfully mentally crisp and they've got life under their belt. They were still playful and whatever else it might be. And so I guess I always thought well, maybe I'll be one of those guys that's approachable enough that even though I'm sixty they're not going to say, oh, you know, he's I don't know crush the old man or whatever. What I've also noticed unfortunately is some part of the generations nowadays. They actually do a whole bunch of self labeling and self-containment and instead of being you know, they have their own problems and they're going to solve them on their own. There's less of the multi-generational thing going on at Mensa and I really miss that. I really miss being able to have a conversation that we have so much Humanity shared together. It's not only about what TV shows did you watch growing up in the references that you might get there so much. I don't know that I have wisdom, but at least have experience I have things that I'd be happy to share and in a funny way so that it's not let me be the Commodore and Bash you over the head with it back in my day. This is how it had it done. I I think that sometimes that's one of the wonderful things about online world is off instead of it being that there's obvious signs of I don't want to sit the old guy at the young people table nor do they want to sit with me but online and nobody knows you're a dog if you will and just log And and we've left about language. You know what I mean? I don't know that I am I'm very playful with language. I'm a loving watching the history of swear words, you know on I want to watch that at least really good. But so much of it is you learn to just be able to speak enough of their language that you don't immediately come across as like stilted and too formal and old and whatever else it might be and then there's the opportunity for them. I don't know communication at least and maybe for sharing maybe 4:50 becoming friends and I that's part of the reason that I really Embrace online stuff nowadays is that I I think I have met lots of friends from multiple generations and I haven't turned them off yet because all I do is talk about that old Chevy that I loved. You know what I mean? I'm pretty young in terms of the Computing that I do or the shows that I watch or maybe I maybe that's a geekery thing is that if you're always interested in new tack, that means that you're kind of current in some at least something at least something, you know what I mean, so, you know saying that wage Kind of what drove Colin out of the whole cryptozoology field cuz he was doing a podcast he was going to talks he was writing books and one near Akron that I saw at the library was really good job, and you know, but there was some people like he's a kid. He doesn't know anything and and literally he did a talk at the Mothman Festival had a booth set up at the Mothman festival and then they had a panel of the speakers and they literally told him know you can't be on it cuz your wait a second. Yeah. Yeah and you know, so it's kind of like well screw all you guys and there were some people that said what are you guys doing? You know, we're not going to live forever. This is the next Generation. They need encouragement not discouragement. There's the other ports off eventually don't you want to be encouraging the Next Generation sure, you know, but yeah, I mean I've gone and sat down and I talked to bill before I even knew he was a writer, you know, I was just chatting with him, you know, and he's what twenty-five years. Older than me or so, you know, and I also work as in Douglas book is great. So and I also talked to the kids that are teens are often, especially the 20, you know, once they're out of their teens, sometimes they open up a little more and want to talk 16 still sometimes look at you like you don't know anything either because like, you know, why is an old guy hanging around obviously. No, please don't be a perf. You know that good. I promise, you know many times. I've been in the hospitality room at a table with people ten twenty years older than me and ten twenty years younger than me all having a good conversation. Exactly. I really do still love that and that I guess maybe not so much a trash Gatherings where there still is a wonderful mixture cuz there's one hospitality room, but one of the things I've noticed is that you know mets has its annual Gatherings and nowadays. They have sweets they have sweets for you know, he'll zems Genex gen-y off. House case they get cetera and after a while people like hang out there all the time and don't even come to a Hospitality anymore. So that wonderful, mingling and admixture. It just doesn't happen as readily and off. I don't know maybe because I'm associated with pretentious drinking. I'm often welcomed in various different sweets because I'm the one that helped them pick out what to drink really is part of your branding. You know, let's say super welcomed as much as I'm allowed, you know, really is something about they want to have it be that there's no on a dissident element, but I'm took older fellow and if what they think they want. If a lot of some part of men's of course is dating it's a happy hunting ground and there really were some crappy mentions that were unaware of how bout you shouldn't be asking a twenty-year-old out when you're seventy, you know, what should be hugging for too long, but there's not that many of them like any group. I'm sure that happens in the LX and the you know what I mean and a football game Like that, but having said that I get that this this is the most ridiculous thing to ever share. I at one point I guess I was being talked about as they you know, who's this Alec? I always wears Orange has a guy named the orange man in New Jersey or something like that and like he's creepy is is this that guy might debate addiction they gave me was oh, no, he's not at all creepy. So thank you. Whoever said that I try not to be at all a creepy. I'm not how not creepy page out of all creepy exactly. But that's just what a creep would say though, you know, that would be something you should have done when you were trying, you know, dating and all that. You know, I'm not creepy that would go over well at speed-dating. I'm sure you know as a a post load if you will one of the things that's funny is so I've been a mentor for a long time. So have many other options when you get that early thing, I think Gen X was the first group that really said we want to get rid of the creepy old guys and kind of you know, protect our women and funny give them about twenty-five years and they're the creepy old guy's name that I wonder if they're feeling that same weirdness of you know, like are you getting labeled with with no reality behind it? But the group wants to keep it Young. Men and women to themselves if you will and and they're getting their ones that are getting shunted off to the side. I don't know that I just know that that generational shift is one of the things that I wish wasn't as strong as it is sometimes because it separates that it helps me. I miss I miss those wonderful multi-generational things of I get to learn from the youth and I get to learn from the Elder and they get to learn from me and just thought oh well, well, I mean part of it could be trying to get more younger people involved because that's always a struggle to do that. You know, when a young person show off to a dinner and it's 80% older people and they're talking about like their health problems and insurance and what they want to talk about is music and you know D&D and stuff like that way I can see how I'm just not going back. Those are not not my tribe. I don't have I don't fit in there and I think who knows things will change, you know, not nobody's been to a good dog. D r a g for a year. So when we get back to exactly like reboot, you know, I know Colin is spoken in an r g, you know, we need more encouragement of some of these kids to maybe do a talk and again goes back to what we were talking about earlier, you know the ones that would go and do a talk are the same ones that are go start eighteen finding all the things they can do on their phone. So they don't have to go work at the pizza place or whatever exactly. That's gotta be one of those like defining characteristics. You know what I mean for so many people public speaking is up there with death in terms of them here. And if you're somewhere they can just say I know this pretty well. I'm able to think on my feet. Sure. I'll give a talk think of how much of an edge that gives you on eighty ninety percent of the world of the people that just can't even imagine myself doing it. I've I glib and self-confident ever since probably like high school when I was in debate, you know what I mean? I mean, I did you why did I go into debate? Cuz I was already good at it. It's it's been one of those skills that has served me really well in the rest of my life is I just don't have any fear of public speaking and you know, you said earlier fortune favors the Bold. I mean I got my first job big Network admin job kind of by bluffing my way into it at the start. I literally I knew enough to know I could do the job which is important. You can't just Bluff without knowing anything to know why exactly I didn't know all the networking stuff as well at that time. I mean, it was Windows 3 1 so, you know off and I literally was talking to someone on Monday. So Friday to Sunday night. I read networking for dummies and learn all about. He's our net Badcock. I just logged in with tonight and exactly and got the job. But again, then it built well heck I know I can be an admin. I know I can do this and that so the next thing is not as scary goes off. Once again everything we were just saying earlier, you know, it's a certain amount of this has been talking about confident and so forth. I think there's also a reason to have good self assessment and maybe humility. I think I'm seeing people. I know a lot of people are willing to speak in public that don't have anything to say. I've been in improv groups where they are so hungry for the spotlight so hungry for stage time that they get up there and back nine times out of ten. They're line isn't good. It doesn't move the seat forward. It doesn't it's not funny et cetera et cetera. And so after a while you have to be you know, I don't want to be too neurotic person that needs the bulb light so much that everybody kind of witnesses when you step up and grab the mic cuz they know nothing good is going to happen. I want to be the one that when I take the mic they're like, okay, I was pretty windy too. So he'll he'll he'll bok choy right back to the dunning-kruger effect that we've talked about several times when your battle you don't even know how bad you are things because that's how bad you are things, you know, you know You know that a relative that's always obnoxious at parties and no one likes to be around. Well, if you don't know who that is, it's probably you when you exactly all right, man. Hey looks like we've made up everybody's time for a while this week. I think we got to like one tenth of what we said we were going to talk about that's often the case, you know, we make connections and kind of go. So Monday, we're here about some of your culinary Adventures cuz we've been making a push on some things this year too. So I hear you, you know, reading healthier. We're making better brands that will will we regain weight focus on that next time that number one next week. So we might actually get to it exactly very good. Okay. Take care of Steven always a pleasure. All right. 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Leadership varies w examples w Alex Schmidt EP 575

"Welcome to the Dork Forest Jaclyn miles whenever Boris Shameless confessions about our obsession with sponge laugh and smile. So let's explore the Dork forest and dorm down for awhile. Hi, I'm Jackie. Kashian you talk about to listen to The Dark Forest. Let's give you the info about it. First of all, you know, the websites Dark Forest, the Dark Forest, if you like a determiner, Jackie Cason has everything off my podcasts including videos of my stand up my stand-up schedule merchandise, you can purchase if you would like and a lot more info than you possibly even need wage. Let's do the credits my Rick Burke sang and produced and composed that song at the beginning of the show he sang with his wife's here. It's very beautiful at the end of the program he sings this song. Is version of The Mexican Hat Dance? That's my great Berg vilmos fix. This Jackie Cason. Com has the web designer over there and Patrick Brady fixes the audio. And in this case took a video intro very exciting. 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The only other thing I want to talk about is the merch you can get dark Forest t-shirts and you can get stand-up County t-shirts. You can get my albums or my DVD over at Yankee kitchen, sure. There's pins. There's a challenge coin. There's a bunch of new things happening over there. Anyway lot of information. I think I don't think I missed anything but who cares? Let's get into the show them. Hey, it's Jackie. Kashian. I am next to my garage and I am we're doing the show. We're doing a dark Forest. It's we're still zooming you guys and today's guest is mr. Alex Smith. We met via the interweb on the Twitter when you were tagged for Jeopardy and that's I thought I thought it was a Jeopardy tag, but Alex meant just so people know, it's Alex Smith on Twitter and Alex Schmidt Instagram on Instagram. You've been rolling with that. So well, I really appreciate the notes. It will be in the notes my friends. And just so you know, and so I I have this to say let me just write something down. Hi and welcome to the show. That's what I wish to say God. Thank you. It's it's so it's so very good to be here. Yeah. I'm really nice to meet Jackie. All right, and you've got you have a lot of projects and you do stand-up and I don't even know where you live. Do you live in New York? I I've been basically between LA and then Durham North Carolina and I've been riding out the pandemic in Durham, North Carolina, which is an amazing City. Even you most like down. Yeah. Yeah and dice walks out that real nice walks. So she just I'm doing like three or four miles a day. I think at this point, I love it. That's that's great. But oh so you live in Los Angeles. I am here in Van Nuys. Hold your applause. You have to know that I live in a helicopter training area is what I seem to be experiencing. Yeah. Interesting are out there. That's what I hear. Ya ya ya page displays all the time, you know. Yes, swept 12 12 12 12, I live, wash and yeah and also not to like in rapidly income and a fan of the show. I've learned here from Wisconsin and I'm from Illinois, you know, good Great Lakes people. There's very exciting. I think it is exciting. Where are you from in Illinois? I'm from it's Glen Ellyn, Illinois. It's in DuPage. County which is the one next to Cook County there by Chicago. Okay. So is that officially Chicagoland? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was always like Chicagoland Chevy dealer and everything and the ads. Yeah, that's that's totally a but that's totally thing see I'm Milwaukee land. I'm essentially I'm in between I grew up between Milwaukee and Chicago in between Milwaukee and Racine in between Milwaukee and Cudahy whatever like you can't cut 800 Creek and then sort of Racine and stuff like that, but it's just on the lake. It's very pretty full of this is great. Yeah, it's very very pretty. So we we've digressed we could dork out because I loved your tiny list of I was like, I'm going to need what would you like to dork out about and I knew Jeopardy would would cuz you you were a four-time champion, right? I was yeah, yeah, if if people don't know me, it might be like I've done various podcast, especially one about Kurt Vonnegut and a recent one about making a bias in emoji. And then also yeah October of 2018, I was I was on Jeopardy and I got to win for whole times and meet Alex Trebek. It was all the things I had wanted since I was in Middle School like carrying around the Jeopardy book with his face on the cover and like showing it to break and thank God stayed my friend, you know, and so it was really nice. Yeah, Mr. Good Sports. Yeah. Those are real friends the ones that are like, oh you want to do a weird. All right. Go for it, man. And yeah, of course, you might want to collect butterflies and you're like that isn't done anymore. Anyway, so the home I have weirdly enough. I haven't had a Kurt Vonnegut dork on in a while. You could probably dork a pretty hardcore about Kurt Vonnegut if you had a kid podcast that's dead. Amazing how many tons? It was me and my friend Michael Swaim made it about a year or two ago. And we did all of the books. He published in life just one episode for each book. So I forget how many it's like 20-something episodes thought it was it was a blast like, oh my God, it just just great. I think I pretty sure that there's some fans of this program that are like making a note. Yeah. I'm dashing after that. But I actually want to know because you picked Grover Cleveland and I don't know anything about Cleveland my father just talking to him on the phone. He said is that the guy got married in the white house and I was like, I did not know that was he the one who got your father's correct? Oh, there you go. He's full. Yeah, here's a font of random information. My father. Oh, he sounds great job can be he can be so Grover Cleveland. What number what number president was that? Yes agar over and and like as a bad thing about him. He's sort of been the most interesting person in my being excited about presidents because I went from not knowing anything about him to thinking like, you know of the deep cut kind of guys. He's a cool want to know about what an interesting fella and that have proceeded to like, oh, he was in many ways like monstrous like a really bad guy. But but people just think oh, it's one of the old timey ones they all kind of run together who cares and then also there were like lots of really bad things. He did, you know, yeah, but he was a 20-second and the 24th President. So he they gave him those numbers for doing non-consecutive terms, right? That's right. He was was he the only one who got non-consecutive was he the only non consecutive? Yeah. Okay and which the only one so far a few took a few people have I think Teddy Roosevelt ran again after a break like a few people have tried but Martin van Buren tried, but but the only one who's done it is Cleveland. Okay, and what year was the 20 second song? That would have been late eighteen dollars. So he yeah, he was elected in 1884 and then he was defeated but won the popular vote in 1888 and then he won in 1992. And so he's also other than FDR the only person who has won the popular vote more than twice cuz he actually won the popular vote three times in a row. He just didn't get it in the middle one because of the lack of college I bet cuz yeah, yeah good old thing get on they also that his opponent an 1888. Yeah, was it who was it? Oh it was Benjamin Harrison beat him in 1888 and Benjamin Harrison was mostly nominated because he was from Indiana and they were like we can probably, you know, snake Indiana and get that one and that worked that did it. Wow. Yeah, the the the parade of dirt bags who have wanted to be in power is quite exceptional and this was back when the Democrat cuz he was a Democrat right back. He was the Democratic party was at the time. I believe it was before the flip. Is that right? Or no? Like the Republican party was more liberal than the Democratic party back in the late eighteen hundreds. It's interesting. Like it's hard to it's hard to exactly map our politics on doing exactly what's going on. But it was basically a thing where before the Civil War and in many ways after the Civil War the Democrats fought the Confederates and then also there were some Northern guys like Stephen Douglas and Grover Cleveland who were not Confederates but not like way down with equality or or positive things. They're right, but also the Republicans. Oh, yeah that that whole thing. Yeah. Sure. Yeah, but and then also the Republicans especially after Grant got pretty much a big business and the Democrats more and more got into like the little guy and the farmer and and although like there's all this like gold and silver stuff that is incredibly confusing now, but that was a whole thing and the Democrats were more into menteng silver cuz it was sort of like a bailout for for poor people. It's very it's like every late eighteen hundreds political position is like sleep-inducing. It's it's the most like powerful narcotic wage. If you want to like start to those, but I love it. I can't help it. It's a failing and I'm working. This is your opportunity to advance and I love it off for thousands of people sitting in their cars and homes going what or yes, one of those chips is happening among the Rangers of the Dork Forest. So what okay, so what do we know about? Yeah, cuz I read briefly. I was like well go look at a Wikipedia at the very least which I usually do no research for the Dark Forest so that I'm the fresh-faced person who gets to say what anyway and I will be doing plenty of that. But but there was some talk about the gold standard versus the silver standard wage. I don't remember was it where we always on the gold standard. When did the gold standard happen? Yeah it was Was it from was seventeen hundreds or? Yeah, like the gist of it I know is that we were on the gold standard and then also briefly got off of it a little bit in the Civil War when they printed was called greenbacks just to have more money going. Yeah, but then they were like that was a war time. They took it out and and then it was back to the gold standard and then in especially the 1890s Farmers started to say hey there we can Menthol this silver. And if you do that in generate more money, there'll be an application will be unless dead and that would be really nice. And so the Democrats got more and more into that but Grover Cleveland was always about the gold standard was always a republican in that way and like it's the best way to think of his politics is like super Centrist like he's sort of a a Bill Clinton in hindsight of of like, I'm straight down the middle of like whatever the politics are right now, and that's the only way a Democrat can get elected cuz otherwise it will be Republicans for seventy years, which would have happened if Cleveland didn't get elected at all. So interesting cuz he was the only Democrat birth. From cuz it was Lincoln and then it was Johnson was Grant a Republican. So James Buchanan was a Democrat and Woodrow Wilson was a Democrat and other than Cleveland that's it. Everybody in between the Republican. Yeah, it's crazy. That is crazy. Cuz and Buchanan would have been late 1850s and then and then Wilson is 1913, right? And then that's it. Yeah, then that's it off then but so so that but the the flip in the party and Grover Cleveland, it sounds like he sort of personified what that is just because he was like we gotta move to reinvent ourselves to get elected like he wanted to be a Democrat also wanted to be elected so he's like, well, let's appeal to the this batch. So is he sort one that I mean if if James Buchanan in the 1850s? Yeah, this has to Grover Cleveland essentially created the current Democratic party that almost in a lot of ways. Yeah, cuz it's it's also a thing where a very understandably after the Civil War. Everyone was like, oh if the Democrats are basically Confederates, let's not fight for them. And there was a tactic that the Republicans did called waving the bloody shirt, which is they would do campaign things where they were basically like we were the Union and they're the Confederacy so vote for us and it worked great like like Grant took it for two terms and then and then other guys after that. Yeah, and so Cleveland finds a way to run on like his own personal moral character. He he had a brand of Life guy is against corruption and like this specific guy is not an asshole and that that was that worked for him for basically three elections in a row and he was from the north right? Where was he from? Yeah born in New Jersey and then quickly moved to like Upstate New York and grew up in like Utica and a couple other towns up there and then ended up building his career in Buffalo sauce. Hello, Buffalo, New York. This is your guy looked okay, so he's a northern New York State guy and and he's saying I'm against corruption and we did you just tell me was Teddy Roosevelt a Republican. He was right. Yeah, he was yeah. Okay. Yeah because he also ran ended up running as a bull moose, right? Cuz he was cuz he ran on a corruption platform as well. So was Grover Cleveland actually anti-corruption. He he was mostly it ended up being a thing where he was relative to the other guys anti-corruption cuz he there was this weird thing like James Garfield's presidency is crazy. I feel like I feel like I'm describing like a Cinematic Universe that that only I care about but it's it's like this thing where all these guys interconnect. Yeah, it's great job and me. Okay Chester Arthur like it was Chester Arthur actually pretty good guy. He was he was the guy who wasn't supposed to be president. Right? And then Garfield was assassinated and so he was a customs agent wasn't he Chester A Arthur that's exactly right. Yeah. He that's where he got most of his money cuz there was a lot of skimming off the top but yeah weird weird, fun fact about Chester A Arthur he worked a guy who worked for him was a guy by the name of her Herman dead. Remember that did you ever hear about? Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, the guy who wrote Moby Dick was a customs agent and died poor because he refused to skim off the top. Just wrote The One book actually more good for society. I think as a customs agent than then as a king wrote down very very specific whale facts I've tried so many times. I don't know if you've ever made it through but it is I had a few false starts and then I did it like a year ago and I actually really enjoyed it. But also there's like a massive chunk of the book full of incorrect whale facts like there's a whole chunk where Ishmael is like whales are mammals their fish that's just walk going on. That's what I believe and know it's not true at all did they they wasn't us did science know that they were mammals at the time. What's her pretty? Sure? Yeah her many incorrect because I will tell you this is that I've read the first probably forty or fifty Pages a couple of times and there's a couple of very funny lines in the beginning. It's I mean, it's kind of there's it's actually quite entertaining and then literally yeah just a spiral of of stupid whale facts and I'm like, hey, let's just leave the whales alone and talk about these people and so yeah, I don't know. But anyway, so Grover Cleveland though grows up goes to Buffalo. What was his career like before he was president? What did he come up through the system he other some good things about Grover Cleveland and one of them is that he didn't really come from like privilege or or some massive political background or anything. He was one of nine kids. He had to get pulled out of school when he was thirteen because dog They just didn't have enough money. I needed to go to work his dad died at sixty and he had to keep working and then he ended up in Buffalo cuz he had an uncle there who was a lawyer and so instead of going to law school. He just like taught himself life passed the bar and then got into lot from there, which is nice, you know, like you hear about so many presidents who are a president's son and this guy is not he's a guy who like worked up. You know, I yeah, it's a yeah again, I will digress with an anecdote Alex Schmidt, which is that Taft's great-grandson is the head of RBC Dain Rauscher, which is the Royal Canadian bank. And so I read his book it was if you got a bank you gotta get attacked in there. I mean, what are you doing a chance to you know, and but but my sister heard him one of his speeches once and he's a he's pretty good guy and but he was one of the only bands It was not did not get involved in the 2006-2008 putting all the mortgages bundled and then selling them off into pixels and off cuz yeah in his book he talks about how he was offered those and he was like well, how is this going to help my clients and they're like and he was told by the people who were bundling these things that it wouldn't particularly help us clients, but it would really help RBC Dain Rauscher and he was like, well, that's actually not my job and I think it's illegal so I don't think I'm going to do it anyway. So this is this guy Taft who's the grandson of the president after George and my sister heard him speak once many times but one time he said, you know, I have a degree in French literature. And do you know how I got my job as a VP of Dana? Raucher? I'm President Taft's great-grandson. And he just laid it out. He was like it's nepotism. So take into account that I was born with a silver spoon jammed up my ass. And so I mean this is kind of gray that Grover Cleveland just came from people and and and came up that way. It's interesting. Can you become a lawyer now without without an accredited degree from can you take the bar if you don't have a degree from something that's credited. Yeah, I don't know and and it was somewhat common that people did what he did at that time because it was just harder to like go to law school at a formal way or something. But yeah, it was off like the idea that somebody can just hit the books really hard and do it versus this like the old money kind of thing. Yeah. I love that. That's awesome. You seen have you seen that thing where recently there's a statue of May 16th and I think Louisville Kentucky and some and some demonstrators like broke a hand off it and it turns out Louis the 20th is on Twitter and was like, this is an affront to my family and I feel I'm the rightful King of France if we ever switch back and he's a whole guy like it's it's just crazy history and and direct nepotism going on with that that yeah, you might want to let that go buddy. I did the entire eighteen hundreds were full of French Francis revolutions. They're a little weird. A Revolution end of monarchy they spent a hundred years fighting that fight. Yes. Holy smokes. So okay, so he became a lawyer and then decide to go into what is euphemistically referred to as public service. And so he pointed he cuz he the thing about him he had like I think a pretty it was an extreme workaholic Bachelor kind of life like he lived in a boarding house. Let her regular house. He apparently just would spend all day working very very hard and then go out drinking all night and then get up and do it again. He also his actual name Grover is his middle name has changed. My name is Stephen Grover Cleveland and apparently some people close to him nicknamed him big Steve and I know that sounds like a joke. I know it sounds like a make it up. It's just what some people call that actual present in the 89th was Big Steve was just really exciting. It's exciting. That's bananas hame exchange. Yeah big Steve rounds on and it like Raiders doing the hanging out cuz I bet you in politics. It's just like stand up if you want to get the gig you gotta hang out. You got to press the flesh. You gotta you gotta who books that kind of thing. So, And he was like he was like who books Sheriff of Erie County New York. I would like to do that, but he he got elected. Yeah, that was first job in politics wage. So he was a she was a county sheriff and that was just an addition. And it was an extreme thing cuz there was one thing on the books that said that if there was going to be a hanging as an execution of someone either the sheriff had to do it or they need to pay someone else $10 to be a deputy and do it and he was throughout his career very publicly all about saving money and being with being like very good about money and so he was like, no I'm doing it myself and life and like personally hung two different people while he was Sheriff. Oh my God. Yeah, holy and then he was President later then it's crazy Charlie, a couple of people off. Holy smokes. Do you have any idea? Who did you ever go down the rabbit hole of who those those criminals were it now know? Yeah. I'm sure didn't deserve it and Justice weird, but just just as weird. Where's that t-shirt? Yeah, because there's some sort of there's there's like all these song. It's about about executions and how a more often than not there's there's no reason to kill them. So yeah the penalty maybe it's such a permanent error. So yeah. Yep. I'm going to take a stand. I'm against it hard to hard to believe anyway, so so he was shared life. And then how do you make a lateral move out of law enforcement into I don't know Senator Congressman. So and then the other the other weird thing like I feel like Cleveland is best known for those two like three elections and the weird knowledge of terms, but like his rise to the presidency is really really fast and wierd as the thing where he's chair for a while and then just goes back to being a lawyer and start of 1881 Grover. Cleveland is a lawyer in Buffalo New York. Like that's it. He's he's a lawyer and a medium sized city, that's it and then fall of 1881. He's elected mayor of Buffalo fall of 1882. He's elected governor of New York and follow 1884. He's nominated and elected president. It's it's within really for years. He goes from being a guy to the president of the United States just like that Holy Smokes in that that's crazy. Was he cuz I know that that during New York in the late eighteen eighties in the late eighteen hundreds. There was a lot of Was it Tammany Hall? What was it? It was it was being that was a sure it was I think it started in the 1880s and it was being run by that short guy whose name I forget off that was highest anyway, but the thing is is there was a guy who who essentially ran the state of New York from the city of New York and a long is this latest Conklin said it was Roscoe. Yeah, that's him, you know, okay cool. That guy was like five five five six, which was kind of short for being a politician which is why he was the he was The Cottage Grove at the time. You know, he the power behind the throne kind of thing. And yeah, so but when political cartoons, I'm sure he was like 2 feet tall, you know, like they would really blow it out off the character. They be like, look at that guy. Look at this. Here's it's a they're the Ross Perot giant earballs. Right? Right. Yeah. What was Roscoe car club? Your knowledge. I don't remember his career enough and he isn't your door come so you may not know but you came up with his name is amazing. I feel like he was there was a there was a statue of him and or still as a statue of him in Madison Square Park any I would always notice like oh look at this kind of round short guy with statue and then William Seward's across the way with a very distinguished like lean, you know, like David strathairn looking guy. It's very it's a real contrast. Yeah. I think I think I know about those statues because of that Sarah vowell book. Did you ever read assassination vacation home? Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, it was awesome, which is so whenever I go to New York. I see a statue. I'm like who the hell is that? Is that Conklin because his name supposedly his name isn't even on that statue that that's how well-known he is is you should know who that guy is. That's oh that's where I yeah, but Stewart across the street, there's a black and brown. And he was shot and he he a next a next Alaska. He did the you know, yeah, he had all kinds of things going on anyway, so yeah, that's right hand whole thing. Yeah the whole yeah. So what? So he's mayor and then he's Governor. Did he do anything notable as mayor or governor? He I it's a very funny career to make his like basically while he was doing the sunrise the nation was in chaos because like James Garfield is elected 1888 then shot almost immediately. Be assassin shouts about how glad he is the Chester Arthur will be president right here becomes president and then does what nobody expected like you were saying like he was he like dead forms things in a way people didn't expect and then it became led up to an election where they they just kept having elections where they were like, okay many Republicans right now want Carruthers kind of and many Democrats kind of want corruption right now. If we just run a guy who's famously not corrupt that'll probably work and it worked boom-boom-boom like suddenly mayor Governor president done and and there's like people were like, I guess this guy with a mustache is the president. We'll see what happens. It's the weirdest thing that is the weirdest thing. And so with that sort of momentum being interrupted. Could he get anything done? Did he get anything done? Thought he did a lot of little stuff basically like he one of his most famous things. He did is vetoing everything. He I'd have to take a look at her and down here, but for one thing he vetoed and 1887 bill called the Texas Seed Bill and it was a tiny Bill to buy some seed for farmers in a drought. It would like the the actual today's dollars worth was something like two hundred thousand dollars and they were just like great tiny bill for it. Let's do it. Yeah, and he vetoed it so he could go give a speech about how much he hates wasting money and and like be life. I'm a guy who doesn't like government overspending. I'm smart and people were like, he does seem smart and then nobody got seed you know, so it's not great. But the thing you got to do he needed to move. Speech so he thought he would I don't know read a couple of farms out of business interesting interesting. Yeah. Yeah, so and he ended up he did in his first term. He vetoed 414 things and that was more than double all the vetoes by all presidents in history before then. So you just spent his whole first term being like no, I'm destroying wastes, but then they kind of did a lot as a government. Right? Did he have you know, it's like whatever I think about these guys. I was thinking myself do they know? What is their purpose of government? You know, does he you know what they run on and his purpose of government was to essentially make it smaller make it less. Like I wonder what he did believe in like did he believe in the cross-country railroad system? He didn't I mean it was already built. But did he believe in science? Did he want to change the channel education was did he have anything that he wanted to spend money on that? He was in favor of He was he was in favor of like the whole eighteen eighties and and the recent Garfield gets shot us because people are arguing about when a party comes into power do they get to give all of their friends all of the jobs in the government? Right? And his argument was no it's going to be like non-corrupt like a test and qualifications to get a job and and we kind of take that for granted now with and and I'm not talking about like secretaries of the club. I mean like postal workers and like super basic jobs where we're at the Customs his way into that. Yeah. Yes. Oh, so he was the guy I don't know if you could hear the helicopters. Anyway. Yeah, so was he retired were talking about the government? We gotta go Gotta Go, I'm sure man. Oh man, and the I wonder if it's like civil servants and creation of bureaucracy and this type of and the in the standardization of of testing and that type of thing. Did he encourage that did he create that? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, he he was always in favor of it and and seemed as far as I can tell see him to like actually help push it along. I forget when the Pendleton silver Civil Service Act came around but wage was either before him ordering him. And so that that was kind of the big Landmark law for it. Pardon me while I write down the Pendleton Civil Service Act and looked at it later because I need to know wage to bring up to hilarious of Allah and time but the Pendleton Civil Service Reform Act of Raleigh falsely. I'm really you Google that. I would love to know when the office to cancel Service Act came into power and yeah, yeah and to make Rangers wait for it cuz they want to know because some of them not thought there's a lot of driving anymore. But but right I'm going to I got to do it there. It is 1883 the year before he became president wage. Here before. Yeah, interesting. I was like that was a lot of what what people were debating was basically, how do we make it so government jobs are not just treats for politicians friends down. How do we decide to have gold or silver back in the currency? And he believed in do the jobs the right way and gold like we've always done it and so he was like Pro not corruption and pro-big business. Okay. Oh interesting. So yeah, and that was a Chester A Arthur thing the Pendleton which makes sense because that guy was not supposed to be present and I believe Roscoe conkling got him nominated for VP to get him out of New York politics Chester A Arthur Arthur. Oh, that's awesome. And then when Garfield was murdered was like what the fudge just happened and Chester Arthur became the president and so I just read Arthur also similar happened with Teddy Roosevelt. We're like, oh we really want William McKinley and let's like shove Teddy Roosevelt that in New York state government. And then and then I think Mark Hanna who was McKinley's advisor said, oh no that damn Cowboys president. Like it's a famous quote about oh shit. The thing happened again in New York last. Yes, I think either that or I'm conflating those two stories and making it about Chester A Arthur which why not? It's a long story. Let's make it about both of them. Yes, it comes in and he and so he encourages the expansion of the Pendleton Act, I guess and and then so and the gold standard wage. Do you understand the gold standard? Can you explain the gold standard to me? I I think I care. I'm sort of guessing and just kind of sort of probably pull from The Wizard of Oz or whatever we do, but I think it's a thing where basically the gold standard was just we have to have a set of goals that matches the amount of money that we have out in the world like surfing Waiting like every every piece of money has to have a piece of gold with it somewhere in some some folks. Next James Bond will protect you know, yes, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so so it's off. And so then it's backed up by something real. Right. So yeah, so the money is worth the money. The money that you have in your hand is worth an actual precious item that that can be used anywhere in the world us anywhere in the world will take this green back because we have a pile of gold like Scrooge McDuck somewhere and and they wanted to switch it to the silver standard wage. There was some talk about that. Yeah, they wanted to like they wanted to like bring silver into it and there was a voice sorry guys. The Sherman Silver Purchase Act was like another law that said, oh we'll bring the girls will buy some silver and then it'll still be where we have precious metal backing the money. It'll just be now there will also be silver which means there's more money out there more wealth, there's inflation and like if you're a person with debt that's easier if you're a person holding debt that's harder. And so all of the the the lower class poor people seem to want silver especially if they were farmers cuz they were mortgage like crazy. Okay, so Cleveland was opposed to that and then basically as soon as he was done being president, the Democrats said screw that we're going to do silver as much as we can and they ran a guy named William Jennings Bryan who did a speech about the cross of gold and how we're all being like oppressed by gold being the standard even though they're guy who had been president like months before felt that way exactly. That was the thing. Well, yeah thing is is that I mean whether it's gold or silver, it's not it's it. I don't understand here's what I don't understand about it and I can look this up or I'm sure someone will email me which is why oh, yeah, it's different. You know, what's the difference between a gold standard in a silver standard you if you still have a precious metal that you have to have a pile of to hold up your currency like cuz now we're not gold standard right now. It's all just a wink-and-a-nod a, New Jersey. Will slap you on the ass, but you believe in us, right? I mean this yeah, I think I think the standard now is one guy in Washington being like mad. Like that's that's just what it is off. But yes shows than ever before Oh my language. So what? So so the the deal was is that silver was just easier to get is that what it is? Because we because of the mining like Deadwood, you know, the minds of dead wood in the in the Black Hills There Was You know, the Gold Rush was in 1840s. The silver Rush was in I believe 1870s. So that's why they probably either yeah, so they probably wanted to go home silver interesting and I think it's also it's kind of the kind of thing where like it's not happening in a vacuum. Like we we already have Gold's if we bring silver into like there was talk of something called bimetallism, which is when you have both Metals back in the money, so it was just like it was just like we already have the golden if we add silver look how much more money we can have circulating right Rick's just richer and so yeah. Yeah. Well the weird that they were political cartoons of like a guy on a bicycle with a gold wheel and a silver wheel has just really like wacky impossible to understand. Now politics but it was what people deeply believed at the time I believed in it, but and and does it the weird thing is is so if the okay, let's let's bring it down to something manageable. And these are also interesting stories by the way Alex man. I am learning things and thinking about things and that is right and it's the only reason I have the show wage. So so it's a great but the so we're how does the government get the silver and the goal they have to buy it, but do they buy it with green bag? Do they buy it with land how oh that I don't totally understand. I don't think yeah. Yeah. I just noticed they hit a lot. Yeah, or they just go. Hey, we're the government we're going to take tax in this precious metal that and here's a loaf of bread that you then eat and no longer have any more of so, I mean, I don't know. Yeah, like where where did the government God? Get it is is I think a valid question. Yeah, right. It's like how do you pay for the metal that backs the money with money? How does that even work? It's also it's a weird thing where like we think of the government as charging a lot of taxes and being a large organization just in general and before the Civil War. It kind of wasn't they really ramped it up in order to beat the Confederacy. Like they just expanded what it was and then started taxing people more but like in Cook Islands time. The Civil War was living memory. Like there's a bunch of people who are like trying to figure out what a large government is at all like not not this like a big government's evil thing like just off the government's large. Like what does that even mean? Like it used to just kind of like handle the post office basically and now it's doing all these other things right? And I think it was in the early nineteen-hundreds that the income tax was invented. This would be after this would be after Grover Cleveland. Yeah. Yeah interesting. Yeah, but I the the metal thing is like it's something that they were way into like there were people who called themselves gold bugs and then they had a little Golden Pin on their lapel that was shaped like a bug and they took like now we can all see we all like gold and and to us, it sounds Bonkers and like some kind of weird like are we added economics conference? Like what are these guys doing? I don't get it. But the regular person off the street was like gold and silver. That's the thing I think about a lot all the time. But but but I'm a gold guy. I'm a silver guy. I'm a gold guy. I'm a silver guy pop out and that is that is kind of beneath as in the way that you're just like but you know politicians have always been wearing weird things on their lapels to tell us that they're better people than the other people next to them. It's all smoke. It's so weird. Now. Do you have more fun facts about Grover Cleveland or can we tell America who Benjamin lay is cuz I'm kind of fascinated by dead. Yeah, let's I think maybe you'd like to Cleveland stories. Can't leave both one at one is horrifying and then one is horrifying but fun. Okay. Basically he was a lot like Bill Clinton also in that he was very bad two ladies in his life. And one of the things was that he had a child with a lady and then tried to cover it up and then tried to have her off in an insane asylum for talking about it. And he also kind of built his career on it because he seemed to be very honest about it when he was actually being like a maniac he was a very bad guy with them and and so people should not be that into imported. I think yes, that's the super short version but it's not. Yeah, that's the short version of the fact that he might have been off a guy with absolute power who was a piece of shit that'll happen. Yeah, that'll happen because even guys who have just a small amount of power will sometimes use it poorly off. Any kind of just kind of power gonna make somebody cornea and a green room and you're going to be like you're going to have to back off. So but the So it's so interesting though that there's just the one lady that that we know about. I'm sure I mean it's it's usually the tip of the iceberg though. Is it like if he's willing to offer? Yeah put one person there was a that was a big thing though incarcerating women for hysteria or for being I just mouthy and you know why they they said she had a condition called dinomania, which is just that you have ever had alcohol and that you are like Lippi like that's that's kind of a condition and then doctors held her for three days in an insane asylum before they said no, I think I think Grover Cleveland's just like punishing or we should let her out if the insane asylum which is not great. Now, he's not a good guy not a good guy. But here's here's the interesting thing proof that may have existed for thousands of years where they're just like yeah. What are you making me doing? I'm not going to do the thing. You seem like a thrill hunk of junk buddy anyway so long Let us Carriage those three doctors who finally were like what what what she seems fine. Anyway, so great good for those three guys. And what's the other one? What's the story? And the other thing is he while he was in his second term as President Grover Cleveland had a secret surgery on his head to remove a tumor and tone no one and kept it as quiet as he could and then also a reporter found out and they tried to ruin the guy's life for reporting it. So he like when you like first start to learn. Oh what's like actual facts about Grover Cleveland, one of the first acts you learn is like what an honest and uncorrupted Guy aided corruption. He loved telling the truth what a thing and then throughout his life. He's just a maniac like really not that at all. If you actually find out who he was. Right? Right, and if you were to look into it, I started looking into the personal lives of like any of these guys LBJ You know that can was a banana and you know, I think Kennedy was a hunk of junk Eisenhower racking guilt with the the people he murdered during the war, you know, and you're just like, oh you were at War and he was like still feel good about it. Anyway so off that is interesting and then you know, George Washington had more than one set of teeth. Teeth. I don't know if you're familiar with the did you have you ever heard the facts about George Washington had a set of teeth that was made from slaves from his slaves. He pulled their tanks. I I picked that up from your show. That's where the one subject out. I went straight to the history ones in the feet. And I was like, oh, there you go. Wow, that's something that that makes you want to go. Hey, you're all logged in theory. And right so Jefferson, you know, I went to Monticello and and the the tour of the of the slave quarters, I could either take the housekeeper's tour which was essentially it was a it was the the tour and they were both actually slave tours. It was a it was a tour that you could take about the house slaves or you could take it off the field slaves and and Andy and I were like, let's do the hard one. Let's do the let's do this is a field slice off what? Yeah, and it was it was it was incredibly powerful and horrible and There was probably twenty people and like six people were black and 14 people were white and about three-quarters of the way through it. The black people were like wage and enough we're fucking off and not I mean, there's just, you know, I mean it and I was like, oh no, we're standing we're standing the end. We're going to hear every every fucking drip and and and the guy who had to do it was a white guy and he was like, I can tell you that Thomas Jefferson in had a lot of great Theory a lot of great a lot of great documentation didn't this exactly live up to it in his personal life, but Pakistan some ideals and why don't we try to fulfill those ideals and it was kind of a nice little sort of I'm not going to I'm not going to be an apologist for this guy but, here's my half apology for this guy, you know, so yeah. Yeah and I like knowing all the bad presidential stuff cuz it helps like keep the president perspective and know that cuz like they all I was talking with Elliott Kalan once on a pot and he was talking about how like all the president's get boiled down to like one fact or quality or something, you know, like theft fat like that's just all we know or like Lincoln beard save the union like it just it's just all gets down to that. It's good to know like the details. So then when you hear something crazy or positive about a current politicians job Like has the right gravity, you know, that's that is incredibly true that I feel like that. Yeah, that might be the clip my fridge just because but then yeah, just even though I might take something that's funnier, but the because the sanity is that is that is is when someone says I can't vote for this person because they have done bad things or because they are terrible in this way. You're like, my first question is who is your favorite President? Who is your favourite politician because allow me to to disappoint you right? Yeah like Abraham Lincoln, for example, I had a problem with the Native Americans during the Civil War. There were Uprising Native American uprisings on their land during The Dakotas and he was given up dead. On this from the garrisons the union Garrison's on the frontier and famously wrote to one of the the one of the Colonel's out there. One of the people in Iraq. I don't have time for this. I'm fighting a civil war just kill kill em all and you're like, yeah. Oh shit not cool. And you know and then the other side about Abraham Lincoln, I don't know if you ever saw Abraham Lincoln vampire Hunter also not based on fact not a lot of facts there what I know. I know he was it turns out but Jack aren't vampires on a board. So who did it? Well, I didn't say that was a true some of the others he actually came to abolitionism late in life in Los Lunas child. He was not so anyway speaking of abolitionism. Why don't you tell me about Benjamin lay Look at that perfect throat. Yeah. Yeah, this is another I was Grover Cleveland is someone who I've just grown a dimmer and dimmer view of overtime and Benjamin Lee. I'm just more often pressed by everything. I I learn and read he was a guy who was born in England came to America, but he lived from the 1680s to the 1750s. So he's a pre United States person and is one of it's one of the most remarkable people to ever live and and a famous. Well not very famous abolitionist. But one of the first people for the abolition of slavery in like the entire United States and ended up playing a lot of groundwork for it, even though he was a pretty unlikely messenger of of that message. Right, right. I again because I didn't use sent a great article as a link when you said this is one of my daughter comes and it kind of did some summation. Have you read other biographies of his or have you read more? Cuz he seems like a Red Deer. He is. Yeah, I've read other pieces about him and he's also the kind of guy where his work as an abolitionist did not leave very much like texts or a lot of like speeches left. It's all just like Tall Tales of him confronting fellow Quakers in the most colorful and like stunts driven way possible. And then there are also a lot of paintings of them because he was just slightly over four feet tall and it was because he had a condition called kyphosis where your spine is curved very aggressively and so he was a very very small person is just standing up to everyone he possibly could and he he called himself like little Benjamin was one nickname, but he also would describe himself as being like David and the Bible like taking on the Goliath of everybody wage slavery. It's so interesting to me cuz what I know about quakerism could fit in I don't know a pint glass and but it's mostly it's mostly That they have always been conscientious objectors during Wars and that they're huge snakes and and that they meditate job fair bit. That's what that that they have silent times. And and the only other thing I know about their sort of meetings is that everybody gets to speak men and women. This is those those are like the five things I know about Quakers, but he so he is he's from England originally from Quaker stock, right? Yeah, his his parents and Grandparents were Quakers, but apparently not as devout Leah says he ended up getting into it and and also quakerism was like relatively new at the time. It came out of the reformation and and had not been like a faith for a long time. I think it's also people call it the Society of friends or whatever but I shouldn't of whatever the actual name of their faith, but you know what? I mean? Yeah, it's fine. It's it's a real Quaker. You won't be mad. Hey Jackie jackass anyone so that's okay. So it's not on Alex went off. Okay go. So the other the two other Quaker things I know is one of them's presidential cuz Richard Nixon came from Quakers. And and I think that's just sort of an overall shame for for the people of the faith that is open. And the other is that my my brother went to a quaker college is called Earlham College. It's in Indiana and their mascot was the fighting Quakers and they had Pacifist fight song it was it was like a fight song about let's achieve consensus with our fellow people kind of thought. It was really fun. Yeah. That's awesome my niece and nephew actually go to a quaker school grade school, which is why I know that they have silent time. And so yeah, I mean you're trying to make a five-year-old sit quiet and and so by the time they're in junior high they can sit quietly for a half an hour. They can meditate essentially and just no books nothing just sit there and think off. For like super children, which is amazing there. Yeah ratably calm children, you know, it's it's I think it it's a good idea to catch. It seems like they're good kids, you know, it's so funny sure because you know, my sister of course loves her children and but I was always like typical typical and I was like are they took like Geniuses and she goes no. No, they aren't Geniuses Jackie. They're very personal privileged. So they are over educated. So they are very smart children because of the the things that they've given and they are aware that that a lot of people don't have small classes and the sort of attention that they get so I hope that they that they you surprised. That's what I'm hoping for and I was like, holy shit. Okay calm down. And so but it was so so he's so he but doesn't he like so they're not devout enough for him. So doesn't he run away? Something a Benjamin Benjamin. Yeah, he's not not your niece. My niece is still in the Quakertown wage. Just just a way into the episode. By the way. If you see my relatives, please please tell us where they are and I'd love to look at your face. You're just like this. No, Jack is telling an anecdote fair enough. This is your I believe I lister's are relatively aware that I will weed off. But I do always eventually come back and I will give you an extra ten minutes on this show just because I think I want to I want to know about Benjamin light. He's yeah, me too. He's he's a guy who he's living in Colchester England, which I had to look up its in like the eastern part of England Northeast Olinda, but he his family does like farming a does some of that and then at age Twenty-One, he runs away to be a sailor cuz he is he wants to be more of a Quaker and also just going to Adventures cuz cuz especially in the like around 7 a.m. And read like the North Atlantic is very exciting. If you're British, like like you own all of it and you can go all the places. It's great, you know, right and but he's strapping guy and he has this problem with his spine did that how did that? Yeah. How long was he a sailor? He apparently he did it for a while and would just kind of bunk with the other guys and I feel I feel like it's like that thing where they want smaller people to be submarine crew. Like it probably has other people like oh I can stretch out cuz this guy's smaller. You know, I'm just guessing but that's that's what I would say. If I was a British sailor. That's what I do. It's like let's hang out with this guy. It's he's going to take up less space in the in the, yeah, but then he ends up emigrating to what is the colonies at the time the the the the British colonies in North America is he? Does he go to Boston? Where did she go? So he before he does that he ends up in Barbados, which is a lovely Island have been to it. But at the time it was almost entirely sugar plantations worked by slaves. And so he's there for eighteen months and sees like slavery again really seen it before in depth and is immediately horrified like should be but you know, most people at the time weren't he was he was special and from there. He says, oh part of my faith now is the complete eradication of slavery. We obviously shouldn't have it any more right? And then from there he also meets his ex-wife who was a woman named Sarah who was also apparently his approximate height. I don't know exactly why but they were matched and married and together for Seventeen years until she died and so long before he comes to America. He has all these adventures and sees like the thing that will be his cause for the rest of his life and also marries and and I don't believe has children but like builds what his going to be his family dead. Right, right, and then he's with her for Seventeen years in the skimming of that article. So he confronts people about slavery at every opportunity. Yes. So but the fact I didn't know that Quakers. Why would so I thought that that Quakers were peaceniks. Yeah, so it's weird that they would own slaves. Yeah, and I think people forget that you know in the run-up to the Civil War. We think. Oh the North had no slaves in the South had a bunch of slaves and that's that's true. But also especially earlier in history the North had slaves to they just didn't have these massive plantations that you think of and the these massive cotton operations and things and so there were also live off of din so he came to Pennsylvania and that was accidentally like a great way to be in like the power structure in Pennsylvania cuz it was William Penn's Quaker Colony like it was a whole thing off and so he was in meetings with all the movers and shakers in Pennsylvania and either directly or indirectly they were you know, profiting from the slave trade and the ownership of slaves and so he was a huge 4Runner and saying that like these people who are somewhat of a different ethnicity than us we've decided I should be like free and stuff. That'd be really good writing this weird Quaker thing where they were like, we don't fight a war but Also like the whole bondage thing sure but whatever right? That's so that's so weird cuz that they're they're pacifists but they've they're clearly enslaving other human being and he like there were a couple of instances where he where he had to be removed right from these meetings. Yeah. Yeah, so like especially and and took an article is by Marcus rediker. It's in 2017 and came out but like most of Benjamin latest story is like fun stunts and I I love it. Like he was a real showman at home for good cause but he would like he did one thing where he was outside a meeting in the winter and he like rolled up his leg took his or his pants leg and took his shoe and sock off and everything and just stuck his bare legs the snow and then people would come up to him and say like hey, are you okay? Oh my God. I'm worried about you and he would say but you don't worry about your slaves see gotcha, and then they would just be sort of upset you were dead. So like they they were wearing rags and they were not warm. Yeah, so he was essentially going you care about me because I'm in your church, but you don't care about these other people even though they're your employees. And yeah, and yeah, that's yeah. Those are those are great stunts. Yeah, and that's like a simple one. He did the the craziest thing he did and and by craziest, I mean there was just a lot to it was in seventh 1738. He goes to a quaker meeting and brings props because what name is Benjamin Lee has a Bible and then he hollowed out the Bible like he cut out all the pages and he put a bag of red berry juice inside cuz you can't get like, you know, Jake how you can't go to whatever that costume shop is and less Fearless there. You know, they can't do it. You gotta do this and secrets over in Toluca Lake. Yeah. There we go. That's it off. And so he he has a Bible with like prop Barry blood in it and also brings a sword which is pretty hard to hide when you're four feet tall, but it does it and then he took walks into the meeting and then like throws off his coat and shouts to the congregation. Thus shall God shed the blood of those persons who enslaved their fellow-creatures and then he stabs the Bible with his sword and in a way that like sprays the blood all over everybody in the front row. And yeah and just does this whole and it's like this is my demonstration against slavery and then just stares at everybody standing there and she took girls. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's so neat article. They talked about how they had to have bouncers took of him. Like they would let him speak and then and then they would like, okay. All right, but he has spoken we're all going to be think about the horrible things. Yep. Do with other people and then try to save up enough money cuz then they would also didn't he have something and I know this only because of you and this article is that he was like not only are you off horrible people profiting from this it's not like I'm not saying don't keep the money. You've made I'm saying don't leave these humans to your children. Like you left them. They left the office Channel. They left them as as property to their kids who didn't raise themselves up from their bootstraps to own their own slaves, you know, like literally they were spoiled children who now owned other people that they probably grew up with and yeah, yeah, yeah. But he and he was very strident about all of it. Like he when I said we don't have much writing from him. He did write one book and the title of the book was all slave Keepers that keep the innocent in bondage apostates, which is a mouthy title, but it was something where apparently most members of the Quaker Church. There were supposed to like kind of run publishing something like that by the authorities and the church and like the high-ranking people and he knew they would say no, so he went to his good friend Benjamin Franklin and Franklin dress printed. Yeah. Yeah. I like the the skill Franklin does his way out it and basically the whole book was just a list of people he's mad at for owning slaves like in his own church. And so then they kicked him out. Oh, yeah, He just name names. He's like, yeah. Okay. And was there anything more to it? Was there any sort of stories about how bad a slave owners they were or was it just and here's Larry Miller or Larry Miller. I'm so sorry. Here's to Mammoth. That's better. I think Larry Miller's actually a good guy. So if you are stimulates stimulants off the owns nine slaves and he is a hunk of junk here is Valerie Bertinelli now see I don't know why these are the thoughts. I've lost my mind. Anyway, this room is very hot Alex Schmidt. No, can I tell you I I was a history major in college people will not be surprised to learn but I I've found that like like your professors try to do a lot of like like a story about you know, the average person in the time and they'll just try to like pull names and it's really hard to do. It's a very hard skill. Like I said Brothers is a an econ professor and he is constantly like, you know, I just gotta watch you know, they're eighteen this year which means and when they were six they were watching or what you know, so he was this yep. Is entirely about Rugrats and two years from now, it's entirely about whatever cartoon they were watching, you know Naruto and it's like wow that is quite serious research. He's like, yeah, you want to teach econ you gotta relate to the to the eighteen year olds who weren't born when nine eleven happened and like like now and Greenspan is like the PAW Patrol. Sure. Okay. All right will do that. Whenever you people need whatever you need for me to explain to you how it has to be broken up in stats or home. So what is apostate mean again? Is it do you know the what about that word? Yeah. I think it means like in direct violation of a faith like they've heard of it and then they've gone completely against it and and most of the most of the things he wrote that were not just lists of people who failed were like basically the gist was like you are the right hand of Satan if you log, Slaves and it's the wrong thing to do and it's things that are inflammatory except that they're all like correct, you know, but like his fellow church members were like, I am furious you're writing about me like this. And even though we're. Quakers. You're out like forget it. Yeah, they kicked him out, which it's interesting. I saw on Twitter probably four days ago iced tea tweeted. He said people keep asking me how I can say the things that I say and not have my job be threatened. It's because I'm speaking the truth and that's and that's what should have happened with Benjamin lay, you know, because he was speaking the truth and he was calling it as it is, but they kicked him out of the church, huh? And then and and he loved that Faith so much. It was incredibly hard for him to go through that. But he was one of these people who just like was so true of what they believed in even though nobody else saying it that he just like wrote it out and stuck with it. Right and did they kick him out before or after his wife passed? It was oh shoot. It was actually they took him out after his wife passed. So that was that was extra heart that he was kind of an adult. Yeah, because I think they liked his wife because she was you know, and so wrong they're like, oh, well, the one that we liked is gone. So let's kick him out and then he moved like Seventeen miles away or something and but he was a stray. Yeah, but didn't even effect some change. He did like the the an exciting thing about him as well as a couple of things one. Is that like I just like knowing that he had this important love relationship throughout his life, even though he was so wrapped up in activism. And also he was you know, if if people are normative about what bodies are supposed to be he had one that was outside that but he got to you know, do that anyway, and then the other thing is that like it seems like it's off to trace direct results, but it seems like the things he did actually had an impact cuz Pennsylvania ended up being the first state and the in what became the us to pass a law saying we need to gradually evolved slavery and they did that in 1780, which is like very early on like soon as it's it's it's like still working on being a country. I think the war was still going and they were like, well, let's put in a law where over over a little bit and sat him out of years no more slaves here. Oh interesting. It's so but a hundred years after he died though, right? Cuz I know like like twenty. Yeah. Oh, okay. Oh twenty years, okay. Yeah, that's great. Alex. What we've done here is we've just come back to the show so that we could have closure. I feel like I've got some closure about Benjamin lay off any any final thoughts on him and yeah minutes stories that you want to tell me before I Ready, let it all go. He he also has a person I think got to pass knowing that he did something good cuz there's that state law but also June 1758. He got a visit from Quakers. So there's like twenty years after he got kicked out of the church, but they visited him in he lived in like a cave. He also didn't eat animals. He only eight thousand and vegetables and that was okay. So it was also like thoughtful he didn't want animals to be harmed you want no harm, you know in the world in general but Quakers came to him and said, hey, we're we're some like high-ranked people in the church. We're working on some things where the faith will be officially for abolition. We thought you'd like to know and The Story Goes that lay said Thanksgiving and praise be rendered unto the Lord God. I can now change and peace and then he died the following year 1759. So like he got to hear from somebody that hey, you know, whether or not you directly managed to do it like you you put a bug in everybody's here that led to suck. And good and it's awesome. That is awesome. Because I mean even though you can't do the right thing for praise and you can't do the right thing. Hoping that you are off. It's always good to know that you made some difference, you know. Yeah, so some the fact that they took time to drive out and tell you that was nice. Those just do it a yeah passing by just thought we'd let you know that yeah you were right we're working on it. And so there's so much mixed up with pride and and wanting to be a good person and also not wanting to be a good person just so you get a pat on the back and I think in his case, he he proved that he didn't do it for that long. He did it because he was horrified right? I mean, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there was he didn't win friends with this belief. Like he just thought it was the right thing to do and agitated for it as a dog. Life as soon as it became as cause and then it's it's to some extent helped. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. It's this is a these are these are both great stories. Thank you so much for coming on. Oh my God, I got to talk about it. I'm I'm in heaven. That's great. But you did say that you and people should know that if they ever use the emoji for bison, you should probably know that Alex meant created the emoji for bison. Yeah. Yeah. That was you and you did a lot of a sort of a short 6 episode how to make an emoji had a podcast is that yeah. Yeah, I think thank you so much Jackie. Yeah, it's it's four episodes. It's called one way to make an emoji and it's just a bullet pack as many series put out about a month-and-a-half ago and it's the entire story of that any anybody in the public can propose a new emoji and I did for the American Bison and European bias, and it turns out there's those wage It's like live on Twitter now and it'll be on Android and iPhone and everything later this year the the Emoji and then the the podcast is out now really proud of it. Oh, that's awesome. That's so great. And I think wage Rangers let's let's take a stand and just say just just so everybody knows I think you're an abolitionist. Did you consider yourself an abolitionist at this time off? Yeah. I I met this four-foot guy and he really surprised me with some stunts and I learned that's the thing to do. It's yeah, I I will actually just without any irony say that I'm still an abolitionist and and so I love the I was inspired by Benjamin and Grover Cleveland another flawed president. You guys should happens home. Yeah, it turns out dirt bags can achieve some good things. Sometimes doesn't mean you got to invite them over to the house. So that's all they can. Just be your work friends and wage. Thank you so much for doing the show Alex & J Peters, you know the rules out there take care of each other. My hat my hat my hat. They're dancing around my hat. My hat my hat my hat. Well, what do you think that if it looks like a Mexican hat dance and it sounds like a Mexican Hat Dance chicks. Most likely a Mexican hat. So take off your head and let's dance. Oh my God, why don't we just call that as the end of the show?

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